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Race riots and disease sound like a bad combination. If there’s a long-term rise in crime, like there was after the 1960s riots, that would be even worse.

On the other hand, there is a lot more technology these days to catch criminals. But is there enough will to arrest criminals when most of the worst are black?

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  1. Dr. Doom says:

    China has lots of Dollars they need to dump.

    Ni Hao, we have Fire Sale on urban properties.

    • Thanks: Father Coughlin
  2. Polynikes says:

    The riots might scare a few. The months long work from home test pilot might finish off the city live’n.

  3. Steve, this was something I was thinking about. It’s just terribly depressing watching America tear itself apart. But living in a suburb within commuting distance of both New York and Philly, it’s probably good for me because real estate prices in my region will go up as people exit more urban areas.

  4. working from home will hurt more than feral blacks–expect real estate in Manhattan to go south

  5. What happened to prices after the Watts, MLK shooting or Rodney King riots? Didn’t stuff return to normal?

    The virus thing was a wild overreaction and nobody will be thinking of it much pretty soon. Although, having 40 million unemployed people probably made these riots worse.

  6. Who would want to live around feral black criminals and third world mystery meat ? As long as the empire continues to import cheap labor, the cities will be no place for the white man or any thinking man. Some place like western Pennsylvania(90 percent white)seems like the place for me.

  7. Race riots and disease sound like a bad combination.

    Transit-oriented development and high-density ‘new urbanists’ BTFO?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Buck Ransom
  8. Kronos says:

    I feel it’ll likely “burst the bubble.” It’ll compound with the riffraff moving into cheaper homes and lowering prices again in a vicious cycle. High real estate prices are one of the few Civil Rights compliant means of keeping “you know what” from moving in and destroying neighborhoods.

    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
  9. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Transit-oriented development and high-density ‘new urbanists’ BTFO?

    These are a quiet way to get more white folks back into the city, and recivilize revitalize it. Few were ever open about this. The late Paul Weyrich was one. I went to a talk by a Savannah preservationist and he hinted at the same thing.

  10. wren says:

    Unfortunately, I think in the future there will be augmented reality glasses that will allow everyone to access all public knowledge about everyone in real time using facial recognition.

    Will it it be racist to avoid people with long rap sheets?

    Thinking further though, the way things are going now however, all the tech companies will probably conspire to hide all of that, and instead put a big target around anyone who has ever made a single comment on

    On the other other hand though, maybe the crime stats will be saved on Chinese servers so anyone with the Chinese glasses could see the criminal history.

    I saw an ad a few months ago for a Chinese security camera that incorporated facial recognition. It looked like it was aimed at small businesses in the West.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
  11. epebble says:

    New economic landscape will also have an impact. Much lower demand for physical stores and malls as Covid drives commerce to delivery mode. Restaurants, bars and other congregational centers closing down as social distancing becomes economically infeasible etc., More work from home or remote office for symbol processing work will lower demand for office space. Factory space may be in demand if production moves from abroad to U.S. Boomers passing and lower births + immigration may lead to excess housing. The Twenties will be interesting, like the 1920’s were.

  12. Daniel H says:

    A good portion of Manhattan already resembles Detroit.

    Posted by Alexander Gofman on Wednesday, June 3, 2020

    • Agree: J
    • Replies: @CJ
    , @Dave Pinsen
    , @J
  13. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:

    I own rentals in a So. Cal middle-class community. I had problems in that area back in the nineties, when Clinton dramatically increased the Section 8 program. Blacks moved in, and our traditionally sedate neighborhood went absolutely crazy. Shootings and murders galore. 24-hour pointless mayhem. Poor dumb black people don’t work well together, much less function normally in a community.

    Slowly but surely, the Hispanics moved in, and started violently confronting blacks right in the middle of the streets. They effectively cleansed the neighborhood of blacks almost entirely. The blacks who are left behave themselves. Since then, whites have been returning to live in the neighborhood, while our local paper complains of gentrification. That is, they’re mad because whites returned to neighborhoods they were violently run out of over a decade ago. At this point it’s about half and half, whites and Mexicans. Everyone generally gets along. The only “rough riders” of the neighborhood are middle-aged illegals. They don’t seem to be able to do well. Won’t let go of their Mexican ghetto ways.

    Currently, my properties have been recently appraised at all time highs. Same with rents, although I keep my rents relatively low because I like my tenants, and they like their rentals. I could get a lot more, but money ain’t everything.

    I figure if housing prices keep up with inflation at this point, I can retire in 5 years, and move to New Zealand, if they’ll have me. I don’t anticipate retiring in the United States. She’s had a good run. You gotta know when to let it go. California is probably the saddest story of all this. Those of you old enough, can remember “the before time.”

    • Thanks: Father Coughlin
  14. Anonymous[172] • Disclaimer says:

    Perhaps that sage French author Pierre Boulle figured out this scenario way way back in the 1950s.

  15. @Reg Cæsar

    When you have a lot of oil, it’s easy to coat the bottom of the hot frying pan with it. When you only have a few drops left, it becomes quite frustrating.

  16. Kronos says:
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    Portland’s weird. Most of the riots are more white “Antifa” types than black. (Blacks typically reside in East Portland.) Our white hipsters will always say anything for blacks but never help them economically or move them into the Portland inner city.

  17. It looks bad now, but things seem to happen faster today. Rich people have a lot invested in cities like New York and Los Angeles – you figure they’d buy off minority leaders and get law & order mayors elected, but idk.

    • Replies: @Michael S
    , @Anonymous
  18. Kronos says:

    Many nice places turned into this.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  19. @Reg Cæsar

    These are a quiet way to get more white folks back into the city

    Also a (not so) quiet way to make density+vibrancy inroads to the suburbs and exurbs.

  20. Anon[354] • Disclaimer says:

    I was surprised to learn that most business insurance covers looting and riots.

    Insurance companies have planned for these sorts of things to happen every once in a while. But I wonder: Have things changed in a way that insurance policies will start to exclude this stuff, and if so, how will that affect things?

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  22. Thomas says:

    Seattle is a lower-key version of this. Most of the blacks, not counting Ethiomalians, are in 3 neighborhoods in Seattle or are in Tacoma. They seem generally well-behaved as American blacks go. I usually assume most arrived in the PNW thanks to either the military or Boeing. Most of the gangsters in the area are either Hispanic or Pacific Islander, and are concentrated in South King County (we had our worst looting there).

    Of course we have our typical Antifa scum but they’re never as bad as in Portland. Seattle’s geography (hilly and broken up by water) doesn’t lend itself well to marching or rioting, and SPD has had a lot of experience since the WTO in 1999 dealing with riot control. (Though our affirmative action black female police chief just announced a 30 day ban on using tear gas.)

    We have a lot more annoying virtue signaling white liberals, of course. Seen plenty hauling BLM signs around on bikes, often with their kids involved too. As far as I’ve been able to tell, most of the Asians and Indians (aside from Kshama Sawant) couldn’t care less about BLM.

    • Replies: @Thomas
    , @Kronos
    , @anon
  23. anon[215] • Disclaimer says:

    NYC is done. The cops will be neutered and Blacks emboldened, resulting in widespread property crime. Not enough Whites will remain to bring it back.

    No tech jobs will be going there ever. The finance jobs can easily be done in surrounding areas. It’s over.

    • Replies: @Bugg
    , @Meretricious
  24. Bucky says:

    So why all the build the wall rhetoric?

  25. Thomas says:

    The surrounding towns outside the blue bubble on Puget Sound are all becoming paramilitarized though this week. Motley crews of Proud Boys, III%ers, AP3, bikers, and the like patrolling around with pickup trucks and AR-15s, guarding businesses, and running off suspected Antifa. The reservations and federal land have all been locked down hard since March because of coronavirus
    (like police checkpoints turning everyone back).

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
  26. Michael S says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    A major blowout in local elections looks like a possible outcome. LA and NYC both flipped after breakdowns in public order, and the militarized police in places like LA today were essentially a response to the LA riots.

    Of course that’s the optimistic outcome. The pessimistic outcome is Detroit.

    • Replies: @Stephen Paul Foster
  27. @NJ Transit Commuter

    One more among many reasons covid hit minorities harder in NYC is that half of the ‘white people’ fled town. So even if they were infected, it’d show up in Greenwich, Hamptons, Morristown, etc etc.

    Heck, even Martha’s Vineyard and Nantucket are jammed with New Yorkers. Sigh. They’d be so pleasant if they weren’t.

    • Replies: @Alden
  28. CJ says:
    @Daniel H

    Great video, thanks. Really shows the situation in that stretch of Manhattan.

    Hey, they elected de Blasio twice.

    Is it actually true that the Gucci store is in a Trump building? And that it gets Secret Service protection?

  29. @Kronos

    Hmm. We’ve come a ways from Ozzie & Harriet, Donna Reed, and Bewitched.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    , @Justvisiting
  30. @Daniel H

    The only retail stores on Fifth Avenue not smashed apparently were the ones on the ground floor of Trump Tower, thanks to the extra security there.

    • Replies: @Charon
  31. Kronos says:

    The lower-middle class and underclass blacks are mainly confined to NorthEast Portland.

    It’s a fairly long drive (and much longer bike ride) to the city core. East Portland is fairly flat and covered with wavy roads. Those roads (and sidewalks) are under-maintained for a reason. (Notice they don’t show any students.)

    Type in “East Portland” on YouTube and videos for non-stereotype stereotyping will immediately pop up.

  32. @Thomas

    I read that the Seattle suburbs (east side and north side) have White paramilitary groups doing patrols.

    • Replies: @Thomas
    , @Flip
  33. Is this even legal? Can you fire someone for their wife’s post?

  34. @Bucky

    People were thinking that it wasn’t too late already.

    Frankly more symbolic than anything else.

  35. Charon says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    That’s not remotely accurate as far as I know. Rioting was intense in several districts but at no point did it cover even half of Fifth Avenue.

    Of course, tomorrow’s another day.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
  36. travis says:

    Newark NJ never returned to normal after the riots of 1967.

  37. I expect real estate prices to fall significantly due to many factors.

    -People and businesses will flee crime, violence, racial tension, disorder, and disease.
    -Social activities (nightlife, sports, concerts, etc) are temporarily (maybe even permanently) cancelled due to the virus. So if you’re going to the city to have “fun,” you’re out of luck for at least the next few years.
    -Many companies are now allowing their employees to work online.
    -Lots of university students may attend classes online.
    -Industrial facilities aren’t highly concentrated in the cities these days.
    -It’s easier and more fun to socially distance in lower-density suburbs or rural areas.
    -Young and hip people won’t have money to live in the city due to the severe recession, so they’ll have to move back home with Mommy and Daddy.
    -If your favorite business was destroyed or fled to the suburbs, where are you going to spend money?
    -Commuting is very risky in buses and subways (due to the chaos and the disease), so it’s now harder to get around. You could drive, but the traffic is bad. Also, parking is expensive and inconvenient.

    I expect certain groups of people to remain in the cities.

    -Ghetto Blacks and Hispanics, as many can only afford low-priced property.
    -Gays, who love being able to hook up with lots of partners
    -Some of the more dangerous leftist agitator types who like the excitement of civil unrest.
    -Homeless. Where else will they go?
    -Oligarch types who can afford private security and want to remain in the power center.

    So cities will become more grimy and ghetto. The Oligarchs will have housing developments which are patrolled, but they’ll have to be careful when they step outside. Lots of people will stop coming to the city for work, nightlife, dining, and shopping.

    Hopefully, this doesn’t actually happen, but the situation isn’t looking good right now…

    • Agree: Kronos
  38. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:

    So why all the build the wall rhetoric?

    I haven’t said that.
    Those who do I guess are Americans who can’t afford, or don’t want to leave.
    They’re just prolonging the inevitable. This country was invented, and intended for a Western European mindset. It doesn’t work for Africans because it wasn’t intended for Africans. It doesn’t work for Mexicans for the same reason. As long as they are in a minority status, this
    country can function generally, as intended.
    Get rid of the Western Europeans, and you get a shithole, balkanized, world bus stop with a lot of mean stupid people pursuing their idiosyncratic tribal interests.
    As we’ve been seeing demonstrated.

  39. Alden says:

    My neighborhood has a grade school and community center 2 blocks from each other. There’s a lot of senior programs in the community center. So old people are coming and going in the afternoon when the kids get out of school.

    The school’s about 60% Hispanic the rest Whites and Asians. If the school had only 10 percent blacks they’d be robbing the old folks knocking them down and doing those mass shoplift swarms in the convenience stores stealing candy and potato chips.

    The moms and grandmas always walk the Hispanic kids home. They’re really well behaved and sweet. In contrast to K through 5 you know what’s.

    What really worries me is what’s going to happen to city high rise office, hotel and convention center construction. That’s what the family business has been doing more than 100 years. Because of affirmative action, a family business is the only secure job for a White man.

    As Mme Letiza Bonaparte always said “ As long as it lasts”

    • Replies: @epebble
    , @Fred C Dobbs
  40. Alden says:

    Anyone can be fired for any reason except blacks Hispanics Asians gays and transgenders. No cause needed. Also religion. Jews can take off their 3 or 4 holidays a year. Catholics can take off Good Friday after noon to go to church

    And Muslims can stop work 5 times a day every day for a 20 minute prayer break proceeded by a 10 minute washing their feet preparation ritual.
    Many colleges have installed foot baths to accommodate the Muslim religious ritual of washing their feet 5 times a day before prayer.

  41. Alden says:
    @Mr McKenna

    Magic dirt. When White kids leave the schools are magically afflicted with low test scores vandalism and bad behavior.

    When Whites leave a neighborhood it magically becomes a crime ridden slum.

  42. A vaccine for Wuflu will largely bring back our normal lives. Finding such a vaccine, however challenging, will still be easier than restoring sane policing.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @Brian Reilly
  43. Svevlad says:

    1. Urban real estate prices plummet
    2. Jews, Chinese and East European mobsters buy everything
    4. Whooooah why are the US cities suddenly so peaceful

  44. Bill B. says:

    I thought a theme on iSteve was the white/”white” elite were sneakingly trying to eject the racial “hot potato” from the real estate high ground in the cities.

    Is this no longer operative?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  45. @Bill B.

    Ya think Michael Bloomberg isn’t working the phones right now trying to explain to his friends in the media that this all won’t be good for property values?

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    , @Meretricious
  46. Of course cities will hold value: Where else can you find tons of restaurants, museums, and parks to not crowd into? Farms are dirty, smelly, and hard work, and besides, eating is overrated.

    • Agree: VinnyVette
  47. @JohnnyWalker123

    What is racist about his wife’s post? I can’t think of a racist word beginning with s.

    Is it legal to fire him? I believe he was released from a contract, not fired. His contract probably allows the team to release him for nearly anything.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Morton's toes
  48. @Michael S

    “The pessimistic outcome is Detroit.” Detroit is the “gold standard” for “Once great cities destroyed by corrupt black politicians.” A few years after the 1967 Detroit race riots Coleman Young, a Robert Mugabe wannabe, was elected Mayor. He ruled for twenty years and turned what was left of MoTown into the hellhole it is today.

    • Replies: @Rich
  49. Ed says:
    @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder

    What kind of thanks does he get from suburban whites? A drop in support among college white women and men that threatens to shift the election to Biden.

    If Biden wins I hope this is one of the first things he does, pouring in Section 8 blacks into the suburbs. White suburban women must face the consequences of their virtue signaling voting.

    • Agree: Stan d Mute
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  50. J says:
    @Daniel H

    The windows have been boarded up after the riots as a precaution, or all of them has been broken and looted? I cant see broken glass nor burnt shops.

    • Thanks: Father Coughlin
  51. Urban property values were already going to sink do to the govt destruction of small businesses. All those urban “hot spots” were killed off by the over reaction to the virus. Riots just made it official… The patient is dead!

  52. The NYC Post Office has received over 80k change of address requests recently. I doubt many were from NAMs.

  53. David says:

    There is a lot of hope in a few southern Vermont towns that at least some of the influx of covid-19 refugees will settle here and revitalize a few small schools that are currently being choked to death by Montpelier.

    To me, a poignant example of what driving out businesses and ramping up property/income tax have wrought here is that Frank Ryan’s odd but quite beautiful house has been for sale at 40% what it would cost to build, 60% of its listed value, for over a year. A newcomer looking for a comfortable haven could hardly do better. If it sells this summer, I’d consider it a very positive indication.

    Until covid-19, interest in local real estate was only diminishing.

  54. Flip says:

    I have a friend who lives in Kenilworth, which is a very rich small town along Lake Michigan north of Chicago. I joke that it’s going to be turned into a gated community if the rioters make it up that way.

  55. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    As long ago as 1980, New York Magazine ran an article promoting the dream of Manhattan as “White, Wealthy and Walled Off.” It strikes me as likely that the pandemic, the lockdown, the economic collapse (for the masses, but not for the elites), and the enhanced surveillance state will somehow be used to drive the Diversity from Gotham and transform every square foot of habitable space into high-end, luxury real estate with ultra-tight security. Because our “elites” deserve nothing less.

  56. @Kronos

    “Portland’s weird. Most of the riots are more white “Antifa” types than black. (Blacks typically reside in East Portland.)”

    There is no East Portland. Blacks reside in North Portland and Northeast, though gentrification has pushed them into cities surrounding Portland. You obviously don’t live here.

    • Replies: @Kronos
  57. @Kronos

    “East Portland is fairly flat and covered with wavy roads. Those roads (and sidewalks) are under-maintained for a reason.”

    Shitty dirt and gravel roads are remarkably common in North and Northeast Portland. I have never seen such strangeness in other major American cities. You’re driving thru the middle of a city and suddenly the road turns to gravel for a couple blocks.

    • Thanks: Father Coughlin
    • Replies: @Kronos
  58. SFG says:

    The city went to pot in the 60s-80s and improved in the 90s-10s. New York was down, then it was up, now it’s going down again.

    Time for another cycle. Maybe I’ll buy a Manhattan apartment in a few years and sell it in 2050 to pad out my retirement.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
  59. Rich says:
    @Stephen Paul Foster

    It’s likely the next mayor of NYC will be a radical black democrat. DeBlasio, basically a communist, is being booed by the blacks and radical lefties now. The White population has dropped to around 40%, of which an overwhelming majority are leftists, most of whom have no memory of pre-Giuliani NY. NYC becomes Detroit within 5 years.

    • Replies: @Meretricious
  60. @Anonymous

    and move to New Zealand

    What’s with the faith in New Zealand? They’re at least as pozzed as the US, maybe moreso. It may take them a little longer to get as dysfunctional as we are, but they’re heading along the same path.

    • Replies: @TheTrumanShow
  61. Alfa158 says:
    @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder

    It took him until the last year of his presidency to do it. President Biden’s caretakers will put AFFH back within a month of his inauguration. Whatever faults Democrats might have, they know how to wield power.

  62. epebble says:

    But I am seeing plenty of ordinary looking people, like 10,000 – 15,000, filling up our various bridges hours on end in the evening. Very little looting last few days, though some arson attempts late at night after the main crowd has dispersed. Another strangeness is the pattern repeating in Eugene, Salem and other smaller cities. Heck, we had a demo in Beaverton and St. Helens! All totally peaceful. I sense a lot of discomfort with the state of the nation; it may also be an escape to leave home after 2 months. We have been fairly unscathed by Covid, but this may put the kibosh on it.

  63. epebble says:

    Where is this?

    • Replies: @Alden
  64. @JohnnyWalker123

    Even feral blacks will abandon the cities once they learn how to rob and kill via remote-control drone

  65. @Mr McKenna

    Don’t forget Mary Tyler Moore and the formerly wonderful city of Minneapolis:

    1950 population 521,000, 98% non hispanic white

    2010 population 380,000, 60% non hispanic white

    2030 the trend line tells you where this is going….

    • Replies: @Father Coughlin
  66. Bugg says:

    2 decades of Giuliani and Bloomberg stability are being washed away in a very short time. This has going from one of the safest big cities to one of the scariest in months. If you cannot take a subway without considering it could get you deathly sick, there’s a major problem.Finance already knew they didn’t need to pay NY costs, and remote COVID silliness made that very clear. Broadway, hotel, restaurants and tourism are dependent on this being Disney with high rises. If that condition predicate of safety goes away, those industries aren’t bouncing back. The hipster beardos who moved to Williamsburgh and Bushwick are about to get a taste of old NY, and they aren’t going to like it.Looking at the market this week, everything has bounced back, with one very big exception; REITs invested in high end big city real estate. That is not volatility, it’s in the toilet, at the Port Authority bus terminal, with a tranny junkie shooting up in the stall…

    • Thanks: Mr McKenna
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  67. mmack says:


    Don’t worry about urban real estate prices. Like President Camacho in Idiocracy, Illinois State Senator Jackie Collins gotta plan: Mortgage Meltdown II, Electric Boogaloo!

    That’ll boost those prices for sure! 👍🏻

  68. SFG says:
    @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder

    If he had done this 3 years ago instead of cutting rich people’s taxes and trying to kick people off their health insurance, he might have approval ratings over 50%.

    Again on one of my favorite hobbyhorses: if he’d had enough intellectual depth in his movement to staff the Deputy Undersecretary of Housing Affairs positions, this could have been done a while ago. An army needs lieutenants and sergeants.

    Still, you see what’s going to happen if the Dems get in. So vote for him…

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  69. Whiskey says: • Website
    @Steve Sailer

    Bloomberg is an idiot. We are seeing Black worship that he helped create wreck cities irreparably where ever White women are found.

    But hey virtue signal with BLM created piety and last tingles.

  70. anon[817] • Disclaimer says:

    I also live in Seattle. The vandalism downtown was not as extensive as other cities – we’ll see if it affects property values. Seattle has minor riots by Antifa thugs every 5 to 10 years, and so far it hasn’t stopped the downtown construction boom.
    My middle class neighborhood in north Seattle has noticeably more homeless in the past 10 years and is getting dirtier. I see more blacks on the street.
    I will retire soon and plan to sell my house and get out while the getting is good.

    • Replies: @Thomas
  71. Jake says:

    Urban real estate will go down. The land will be bought by multi-billionaires from around the globe, with Jews being the plurality of new owners.

    They. of course, are already part of the Elite of the Anglo-Zionist Empire, which will begin massive dispersal of Numinous Negroes to the small towns and rural areas, where they will be allowed to run wild at the expense of middle American whites

  72. nymom says:

    You have to have a lot of money saved or a very high stable income to retire in New Zealand if you are past a certain age…

    I think it’s 45 or somewhere around there.

    I think the reason is a lot of these places have socialized medical care, kind of like Canada, and they don’t want to encourage a lot of seniors to be retiring there and take advantage of it.

    Also, even if you are already living there as a citizen it is very difficult to get them to accept your elderly parents…

    Just thought I would put it out there.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  73. @North Carolina Resident

    I can’t think of a racist word beginning with s.

  74. @RichardTaylor

    A lot of cities, especially in flyover country, cratered and never came back: Detroit, Cleveland, Memphis, Birmingham, St. Louis, Camden, Newark, a bunch of smaller cities too numerous to mention. Then after the riots, those cities and others, large and smaller, were further ruined by various federal “equal housing” initiatives (i.e, take working and middle class neighborhoods and give them to underclass blacks), the most recent of which was AFFH. This is supercharged by mass importing third worlders, the worst of whom are essentially underclass blacks with foreign accents.

    Some places crashed but then recovered to some degree: famously New York, parts of Philadelphia and Chicago, Los Angeles, Houston, etc. Though it should be noted that part of their recovery was simply exporting their problem populations to other places, so there wasn’t actually any net national improvement.

    A lot of those places are probably going to crash again. Indeed, they already have, but they haven’t quite noticed yet. Whether they recover will depend on events of the next year or two. There is plenty of fuel, both moral and material, for things to get even worse.

  75. Ragno says:

    As much as I relish the thought of real estate crashing beneath cellar-level prices (this city-dwelling white boy sold his house 8 years ago at the top of the market) two factors worry me:

    1- the complete lack of shame, principle or even common sense of Democrats. And let’s finally get it out in the open – no need to excoriate ‘the Left’ when we mean Democrats – there is no longer any difference between the two, but by saying ‘Democrats’ you’re specifically identifying the contagion; or as close as we dare come to really naming the (((culprits))). The concern is that they will do whatever it takes to prop up the image of their hellholes, however extralegal it may happen to be…we can all agree we’re now drowning dangerously in debt, but as ‘saving our cities’ will triple that debt, and Democrats want the country to die to begin with, the collapse of urban real estate is worrisome for reasons unrelated simply to taxes and tariffs. (And I hope you’re cured at last of imperiously dismissing doomcriers with a peremptory wave of the hand and a chuckling, “that can never happen here, you paranoid loon!” ANYTHING can happen here……now.)

    2- the complete lack of spine among GOP talking hairdos and the pet pundits of Conservatism, Inc. These people have been on their knees for so long, they think it’s a battle stance. They utterly and completely pissed away the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity they had in 2016 in the name of Being Liked, most of all by their donors, all of whom are setting land-speed records abandoning them for the current (permanent?) Winning Side. 2020 will long be remembered as the year China and Amazon high-fived one another over the corpse of the United States of America; unfortunately, it looks like it will be remembered thus only in samizdat histories written in longhand, and code besides.

    If we were to somehow manage to expatriate our Negroes anywhere – Africa, England (here mates….you forgot something when you left ; I believe these folks belong to YOU), Greenland….the surface of the moon…..can there be any doubt remaining that the US would be, overnight, converted into a demi-paradise with the lowest occurrence of violent crime on Earth – sane, peaceful, prosperous, pleasing to the eye and the envy of all civilized nations? And while many ostensibly-reasonable people, educated fool and prole dumbass alike, would strenuously object even to daydreaming along those lines, any realistic hope we have of saving and then repairing our ruinously-damaged Republic is going to require acknowledging that particular, highly-uncomfortable reality. Jefferson recognized it – “Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that the two races, equally free, cannot live in the same government. Nature, habit, opinion has drawn indelible lines of distinction between them.” – and 200 years later it is just as true.

    • Agree: Dtbb
  76. @Ed

    What kind of thanks does he get from suburban whites? A drop in support among college white women and men that threatens to shift the election to Biden.

    What is the smallest census division coterminous with electoral ones? Look up the percentage of the vote going to the Democrat and the percentage of the population that is white.

    E.g., For 2016, here are the figures for those states with a single representative, % white 2010; % HRC 2016, rounded:

    Alaska 66, 37
    Delaware 69, 53
    Montana 89, 36
    North Dakota 90, 27
    South Dakota 86, 32
    Vermont 95, 57
    Wyoming 91, 22

    NB: This takes no account of nature of the non-white population or the non-Democratic vote in a particular state. Only the intersection of one party and one race. Whites voting for Democrats can be assumed to be voting for diversity.

    Now multiply them:

    Vermont 5415
    Delaware 3657
    Montana 3204
    South Dakota 2752
    Alaska 2442
    North Dakota 2430
    Wyoming 2002

    Vermont wins the prize! A clear majority of (voting) whites for diversification!

    Identify the top congressional district, county, municipality, precinct, whatever, of 2016 in this way. Then alert voters that the 2020 winner will get a windfall of Section 8, refugee resettlement, and other subsidies directed their way.

    • Replies: @Undocumented Shopper
  77. @Almost Missouri

    Some places crashed but then recovered to some degree: famously New York, parts of Philadelphia and Chicago, Los Angeles, Houston, etc.

    Houston will surpass Chicago in population if not in this year’s Census, then in the next. Much (if a third or so is “much”) of Chicago is spared by being the most segregated city in America.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  78. @Reg Cæsar

    1- the complete lack of shame, principle or even common sense of Democrats.

    You nailed it.
    In the past, many Democrats were quite realistic about Blacks, women and homos, provided they were speaking in private (Bloomberg would be an example.) What we now have is True Believers.
    These people can’t be reasoned with. A small proportion will change their views after they become victims of Black crime.

  79. @anon

    if the Negro agenda continues, yes; but if the high-IQ rulers decide to stop the madness, expect the Negroes to move South

    • Replies: @indocon
  80. @North Carolina Resident


    People who use schmuck and goniff and hoy vey call negroes svartzes. It is not a compliment.

  81. @Steve Sailer

    @Steve–Bloomberg is a race realist–I’m sure he reads

    • Replies: @Lowe
  82. @Rich

    LOL–NYC has just experienced 8 years of black leadership (de blasio and his chocolate family). No way a black will win the mayoralty

  83. Thomas says:

    Yeah I’m in north Seattle too not too far from 99-N. The gentrification had been pushing north but seems to have stalled around N 85th Street. Guess it’ll have to wait for the next economic boom. I’ve been here for 3 years and it’s definitely been getting slowly worse. Planning to decamp for the suburbs too within the next couple years.

  84. Mr. Anon says:
    @International Jew

    A vaccine for Wuflu will largely bring back our normal lives.

    No vaccine is needed – just not over-reacting to it would suffice. The WuFlu is likely no different in terms of mortality than the Asian Flu of 57/58 or the Hong Kong Flu of 68/69. The lockdowns were destructive and ineffective. Sweden’s overall death-rate is no different than, or significantly less than, any number of states in the U.S. that had lockdowns. Japan had no significant lockdown and its death-rate has been miniscule.

  85. This is actually the business model of The Nation of Islam. It’s the black version of “gentrification”.

  86. indocon says:

    Having AAs move south and southern whites move up north will be a win win. We get a Wakanda in NC/SC/GA, Southern whites finally learn enlightenment after living under puritans, northern food gets better, crime goes down in both north and south…whats not to like in this plan.

  87. @Alden

    10%. I’ve thought this before. And I’ve come to the conclusion that 10% is the cut off. NEVER live in a place that is more than 10% black.

    • Agree: Alden
  88. @wren

    Thinking further though, the way things are going now however, all the tech companies will probably conspire to hide all of that,

    Didn’t Microsoft or someone release a map application that would allow a user to filter out high-crime areas when planning a route? There was some sort of kerfuffle when it was decided that to do so was racist.

    Here we are

  89. @SFG

    Agreed, it should have happened in the first year, but Trump did not have much political expertise on board, and the Deep State was (and is) seeking to subvert his purpose in every way since Day One.

    Separately, how many of us were even aware that AFFH had been reversed?
    If not many, why would that be?

    • Thanks: Harry Baldwin
  90. @Reg Cæsar

    Yes, it’s not just the number of people, but the quality of the people.

    • Replies: @Prester John
  91. @Kronos

    “High real estate prices are one of the few Civil Rights compliant means of keeping “you know what” from moving in and destroying neighborhoods.”
    Who, Ewoks?

  92. @NJ Transit Commuter

    NJ Transit, Oh, the price associated with your property, denominated in soon-to-be-replaced U$D might increase, but it won’t do you much good unless you take the buck while it still has some value. You can bet your bottom dollar (so to speak) that the taxes on your home are going to skyrocket, even if they have to collect them in barter. Get out while you still can!

  93. Nate_K says:

    Looking forward to the news headlines coming out calling insurance companies racist when they stop covering riots.

  94. @International Jew

    International, You are either disingenuous or out of your ever-lovin’ mind.

  95. @Anon

    Interesting. You have to wonder: 3 months of no sales. Did some store owners send looters to liquidate their inventory?

  96. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:

    You have to have a lot of money saved or a very high stable income to retire in New Zealand if you are past a certain age…

    Yeah, I know. Hopefully, I’ll pass muster.

    I know of one guy in particular. He moved with his wife and two kids to New Zealand. Has a house by a river. He can’t even see his next door neighbors hoses. He said he loves the fact that he can let his 11 year old kid make the 20 minute walk through the woods to his Scout meeting, and walk back at 7:30 all by himself with zero worries. He loves it there.

    • Replies: @Mike1
    , @MalePaleStale
  97. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:

    The hipster beardos who moved to Williamsburgh and Bushwick are about to get a taste of old NY, and they aren’t going to like it.

    First time I moved to NYC was 1980. The city was like Beirut. Day to day life was intense. Mayor Koch was a qualified sociopath, and the liberal press propped his incompetent ass up. Times Square was a haunted house. The east village was a Balkanized shithole. Soho was Nogo. Millennials would not be able to deal with Koch’s New York. The only new element that will slow down the decay is the high rents, and more limited rent control. However, this flushes the city of its artists, who can’t afford to live there. Civil regression aside, New York City without artists isn’t a city you want to live in.
    Nobody wants to live in an Albert Camus novel.

  98. Cato says:

    Suburbs are safest, both from highly contagious diseases and from the raging youth. Expect suburban home prices to rise more than those in the dense urban core. However, all prices will rise, given the amount of money dumped by the Fed over the past three months.

  99. @Anon

    As a result, the insurance companies might end up requiring that buildings be designed and constructed in a way to avoid excessive losses or built in area that are defensible during a riot or else pay super high premiums. Kind of not like building in a coastal or flood zone. You could easily see a scenario where the stores in the inner cities are not rebuilt but are in suburbia or in industrial parks that can be closed off at night or during times of high negro danger.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  100. @SFG

    Yeah. People panicking out due to COVID might have created bargains. But you really don’t want to buy if a crime-led collapse is commencing. As it is, with Cuomohaving destroyed the city as a business location by ordering non-essential businesses to close and those businesses having learned they don’t need to pay Manhattan prices to work effectively, the collapse of commercial real estate is going to blow a multi billion dollar hole in the state and city budgets. The first attempt to fix the problem will betaxincreases. That will drive out even more tax dollars.

    At the end, someone is going to have to rationalize the overly expensive local government. After that happens it will be time to buy.

    • Replies: @SFG
  101. anon[237] • Disclaimer says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Houston was saved only by the “Peak Oil” scare of the early 2000’s. That drove up the price of oil and brought oceans of cash for oil.
    That is about to end as the final oil in the ground is rapidly depleted.
    Houston is only 27% White.
    El demographic math-o es no bueno, amigo.

  102. Kronos says:
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    You obviously don’t live here.

    Damn straight. I live near Wilsonville.

    I looked at an apartment in North Portland once and got scared off from the black criminal element. Just as well, I wouldn’t want to get caught up in another Vanport “accident” anyway.

  103. Lowe says:

    Bloomberg is a race realist? Yeah, maybe.

    But what he needed to be was a realist about his chances of being elected President. It would have saved him many millions of dollars.

  104. @Almost Missouri

    I live in the Bay Area and my wife and I watch these home remodeling shows in the red states. We just look at each other when we see these houses and say, ” that house only cost …”. The second thing we wonder is what the demographics are. In one sense, it is all relative. You can make a lot of money but have the same standard of living or even lower in some ways. It looks very idyllic but perhaps we just don’t see the meth heads.

  105. SFG says:

    Well put, and I left out the crucial ‘drive out the tax base’ part of the cycle.

    My suspicion is that NYC is one of those places, like Rome, that has accreted so many people over the years it never goes away completely. Eventually even New Yorkers get sick of the crime and elect someone who cracks down. But that is only my suspicion, and a few more Hurricane Sandys might kill it for good.

    (And the destruction and dispersion of NYC would not remove that overclass giving everyone trouble–they’d just hang out in Connecticut or something.)

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  106. Kronos says:
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    I generally believe it’s a mixture of police tactics and a poor tax base. It makes foot and bike robberies difficult and thus policing is easier. Also, it’s not like it has a Lake Oswego tax base anyway.

  107. @NJ Transit Commuter

    White flight. Only one problem–the, uh, “Element” is never far behind. You can run but you can’t hide.

  108. @Almost Missouri

    Toronto passed Chicago as the largest city on the Great Lakes. Chicago is experiencing a population dive similar to Detroit. And for the same reason.

  109. I’ll predict that urban real estate prices will soar, as millions of Americans relocate to areas controlled by BLM leaders. Americans are sick and tired of so many unarmed people color being brutally murdered by police and their white supremacist allies.

    These new multi-colored communities will thrive. Their love and energy will build a new America, much as the nation grew following the civil war. Our multi-national companies will fund child care and equity providing universal basic income. Crime will be ended as all our people have everything they need, including the best medical care in the world. Our rainbow nation will be free of the need to labor at pointless jobs that do nothing but enforce racist ideas. Music will flourish again. Art will explode as Americans are free from oppression.

    It’s going to be pretty great.

    • LOL: Corn
    • Replies: @I Give Up
    , @Ron Mexico
  110. What will happen to the Hudson Yards development on the west side of Manhattan?

  111. @Just another serf

    and they’ll grow their own food with Mountain Dew

  112. Mike1 says:

    You are not allowed to buy property in NZ anymore if you are foreign. Currently you can’t even get into the country without a NZ passport.

    • Replies: @128
  113. nebulafox says:

    Rome did border on being empty in the 7th Century: not quite deserted, but as close as you can get. Constantinople might have been similar in the 8th if Constantine V didn’t order a massive transplantation project of new people from the Balkans.

    Let’s hope no American city never reaches that point, however distasteful its impact on our wider political culture is…

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
  114. Perfectly, succinctly stated. Great topic too. It’s why I am an iSteve guy

  115. @Prof. Woland

    Kind of not like building in a coastal or flood zone.

    Except, as I’m sure you know, our system is so amenable to subversion that there’s a thing called Federal Flood Insurance, which is (naturally) politicized such that it’s now offered cheaper and with fewer restrictions to those of Diversity and Equity, in response to (valid) complaints that federal insurance also supports the endless rebuilding in situ of rich wypipos houses on shorelines everywhere, after each hurricane.

    You may be certain that this sort of thing will happen in spades when it comes to rebuilding in the hood. There will be billions splashed around. Get some!

    The National Flood Insurance Program aims to reduce the impact of flooding on private and public structures. It does so by providing affordable insurance to property owners, renters and businesses

    Lately I’m collecting examples of government pronouncements consisting of two sentences each. In every one, the second sentence contradicts the first. Don’t knock my hobby–it keeps me off the streets!

  116. Anonymous[387] • Disclaimer says:

    I saw an ad a few months ago for a Chinese security camera that incorporated facial recognition.

    I expect that the riots have served to accelerate the development of America’s version of China’s “social credit.” It will be interesting to see the rationalisations shopkeepers and shopping malls will be coming up with in the near future to justify the widespread installation of facial recognition cameras in the US, where people finally seem to be waking up to the fact that they have given away their privacy to firms like Facebook to buy, sell, or exploit however they wish.

    (On second thought, perhaps they won’t even bother with any sort of justification, but will quietly install them and treat the matter as a fait accompli the way CCTV cameras were installed everywhere in the UK,)

  117. Anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:

    The lower-middle class and underclass blacks are mainly confined to NorthEast Portland.

    Does anyone happen to know how the other Portland (Portland, Maine) has fared through all this?

  118. @Harry Baldwin

    Re: “and move to New Zealand …”

    Not to worry. New Zealand is now and will likely remain for quite some time interested in admitting ONLY those qualified applicants young enough to make the “deal” economically advantageous to New Zealand. It’s doubtful that will include retiree-refuges from the US.

    • Replies: @Flip
  119. Anonymous[387] • Disclaimer says:

    Thinking further though, the way things are going now however, all the tech companies will probably conspire to hide all of that, and instead put a big target around anyone who has ever made a single comment on

    Alas, I suspect this is an all-too-accurate assessment of the near-future. I fully expect to soon see a large demand emerge for stylometry tools for the masses.

    Now that Facebook, Twitter, etc. have been rendered “safe,” there is no one left on those sites at whom to nag, scold, and finger-wave, which means…all the fun is gone. What to do?

    Not to worry: the left will take it upon itself to scrub the rest of the Internet clean, too. That means scouring intelligent, thought-provoking dangerous, subversive sites like and trying to match up posts with irl identities so that the appropriate head-shaving and/or tar-and-feathering ceremony can take place.

    I hope I am much mistaken about this. The Telly Savalas look does not suit me at all.

  120. @Bucky

    So why all the build the wall rhetoric?

    America doesn’t need any more Hispanics.

  121. Anonymous[387] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Rich people have a lot invested in cities like New York and Los Angeles – you figure they’d buy off minority leaders and get law & order mayors elected, but idk.

    I should think it far easier, instead, to simply find other investments.

    It is just an impression I have formed, but I have rather got the idea that voting in America has come to have a good deal less to do with voters aspiring to accomplish something useful in the way of social goals and a lot more to do with virtue-signaling.

    After all: you can’t get much more virtuous than voting against your own social and economic interests to show the plebs that you, too, are “one of the people” so that you can feck off back to your high-rise suite with 24-hour armed security to pour yourself a glass of Cristal and bask in self-righteousness.

    • Replies: @Father Coughlin
  122. @Anonymous

    There was a time in the United States when we would leave our keys in our cars, our doors unlocked, and our windows open at night. Life was simple and happy, but sadly we lacked diversity.

  123. @RichardTaylor

    Actually, they went up higher in Orange County than LA. More folks left La for OC or Riverside, or San Bernardino. La had a slow population growth in the 1990’s while OC, Riverside, and San Bernardino grew faster. After this shit, I really have went to the Trump side. The Dems can’t learn with the black issue.

  124. @Almost Missouri

    La is losing population to Phoenix which even has a lower black population, and housing is cheaper. US census show Phoenix gain the most, minorities are of the Latino variety,

  125. Flip says:

    I think Idaho or Montana or even non-Seattle Washington (no state income tax) would work fine.

  126. @JohnnyWalker123

    Oligarch types who can afford private security

    Just talked after church today to a recently-retired cop who has started a gig doing private security for a mansion in a nice but close to the action inner-ring suburb.

    For someone committed to the globohomo project at that level, there is no problem that can’t be solved by the three s’s: Security, Surety and ¡Science!

    ( i.e. having armed guards, being insured, and hiring science experts to tell you the “right” way to fight disease … or anything.)

  127. @Anonymous

    It’s also competencey-signaling.
    1- “I am so competent that I can compete with one-armed tied behind my back. ”
    2- “I know how to speak minority-ese, I know all about immigrants and the cultures they come from etc., while you’re too dumb to.”

    It is just an impression I have formed, but I have rather got the idea that voting in America has come to have a good deal less to do with voters aspiring to accomplish something useful in the way of social goals and a lot more to do with virtue-signaling.

    After all: you can’t get much more virtuous than voting against your own social and economic interests

    Another thing I’ve seen: certain urban rehab neighborhoods have millionaires living very close together where they sit on their front stoops and socialize and watch out for the neighborhood. The density of highly-motivated liberals scares off the triublemakers. Plus they are walled in by parkways you cant cross on foot.

  128. @Justvisiting

    Calvin Griffith moved the baseball team the Washington Senators to Minnesota in 1961 for what everybody understood were racial reasons. He had been trying to do it for 5 years but was blocked by Congress that wanted baseball in the nation’s capital or else. By that 1950 statistic, you can see how Calvin viewed Minnesota as a land of milk and honey.

  129. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    It could be that some of the boarded up shops weren’t looted but were boarded up for prophylactically. This is the kind of thing that a New York Times not given over to wokeness would helpfully clear up with a full page infographic map, showing which stores had been looted.

  130. @nebulafox

    We think of the cultural elite in NYC as liberal, but they’re really quite conservative, at least as far as the programming has to appeal to a paying audience. The opera and symphony cannot stage bad modernistic productions of operas or atonal symphonies and get an audience: the rich dowagers like their Puccini and Vedi (and occasionally Wagner). This provides a conservative anchor to the field. If it’s destroyed, then the only cultural programming will be in fully-government-supported venues.

    Of course, the profits from all the commercial activity in the city is what paid for cultural support, for the subway, etc. By destroying that, Cuomo might well drive away the positive attractions of the city that offset the grifting Progressives.

    There will be a need for a city where NYC is as long as the ice caps don’t melt, just as there will need to be a city where Detroit and New Orleans are (though in the latter case it might move further upriver to connect ocean and river transport). For now it’s going to take a pounding in income and wealth. With any luck enough will remains to dispense with incompetents like DeBlasio as mayor. A liberal like Bloomberg could save the place, but anyone advocating what Bloomberg did will not get the D nom.

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