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One lesson of the Age of the Smartphone is that foreign flash mobs can quickly probe for weaknesses — physical, tactical, legal, emotional, or ideological — in any country’s defenses, and then try to overwhelm the border with sheer numbers

That suggests to me that America needs to have full plans ahead of time to defend our country against more Camp of the Saints-style assaults of the kind we are seeing in Europe and had a trial run with last year with the Central American “unaccompanied minors.”

We need to have in place buffers to insulate ourselves from the rest of the world. Some, such as Israeli-style fences, take time to build, while others just need to exist as careful contingency plans.

It’s easy to dream up last resort defenses, but what I’m interested in hearing from readers are suggestions for how to stymie mass migration assaults before they get up a head of steam.

For example, after more than a decade of stumbling around, the Australians have finally worked out a complex network of protocols to keep from being inundated by boat people, including arrangements for warehousing intruders with third countries, and this informative Youtube video:

A large part of an American program needs to be to make clear the futility of flash mobbing America.

One obvious job would be to gather intelligence from social media on where migrants are considering forming flash mobs.

(Of course, the downside is that patriotic Americans could hardly trust Obama Administration appointees to use such information for our defense, rather than to encourage and facilitate the infiltrators.)

What are your suggestions (the subtler the better)?

 
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  1. you gotta be jealous of canada. they have a “natural buffer zone” against the invading hordes (called the USA) and their immigration system attracts the right kinds of people while making it extremely hard for undesirables to immigrate.

    http://globalnation.inquirer.net/88693/new-report-says-immigrants-fiscally-burden-canada

    • Replies: @Another Canadian
    @john marzan

    In September Mexico’s Ambassador Francisco Suarez railed against Canada’s Harper administration. Quoted from Taliba, “We’re now really mad. Canada has the most stringent visa system for Mexicans by any country in the world.”

    Suarez told Taliba that it is easier to get a visa to the US where there are more illegal border crossings from Mexico. “The Canadians require 10 times more information than the Americans.”
    “I had to put the date when my mother and father died, 15 and 20 years ago. What’s the use of putting in that date?”

    , @Taysse
    @john marzan

    The article you link to says immigrants are a net drain, not an economic boon. European Canadians (aka whites) are already a visible minority in two of Canada’s biggest cities, TO and Hongcouver. BC now stands for Becoming Chinese. There’s a prof at UBC who teaches that English is a white supremacist language and that the Chinese are one of the nation’s founding people. Prime Minister Harper was hauled off to the woodshed the other day for using the expression “old stock” in some totally innocuous statement. We're in the middle of an election and all parties are falling over each other to bring in as many of these new migrants as possible. Etc., etc. Believe me, you have nothing to be jealous of.

    , @Bernie
    @john marzan

    Very true, though they do take in a fair amount of undesirable refugees (see the Haitian communities in Montreal and Toronto).

  2. America’s stockpile of 3 million landmines could be deployed to protect the 1,954-mile border with Mexico, because a mine is a terrible thing to waste.

    • Disagree: International Jew
  3. “suggestions for how to stymie mass migration assaults before they get up a head of steam”

    Mormon missionaries

  4. I think this Australian idea of paying Cambodia to take boat people a superb idea. Win-win.

    If the boaters are that desperate they should be happy, Cambodia makes money. Would be migrants get sent a terrific message.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/06/refugees-arrive-cambodia-australian-detention-150604034143401.html

    This is absolutely what Europe should do. Push them back into holding area in North Africa. It would be expensive but less than the total future costs of taking them in. Of course it has to be done with panache.

    Bribery is an under appreciated force for good in world affairs; carefully done. If the price is right some country would act as a holding cum education centre south of the US border. What about paying Mexico to send them there before they reach the border? Combine this with a watered down Marshall program for propaganda affect.

    (Of course everywhere in the West are Open Borders crowds that jam sensible solutions but who don’t seem to have as much traction in Oz.)

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Bill B.

    The U.S. has a 12 square mile Air Force Base in Honduras.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soto_Cano_Air_Base

    That seems like it could be a useful asset come the next Camp of the Saints like the 2014 "unaccompanied minors" rush for the border: when Central American asylum seekers show up at the U.S. border, you just fly them down to a tent city set up on the USAF base in Honduras. They can have a cot and 3 hots per day until their cases are decided.

    Instantly sending them back to Central America would convey the image of futility.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @rod1963, @TenD, @dsgntd_plyr

    , @Big Bill
    @Bill B.

    Hell, this is a great solution for Mexican criminals, too. Set up prisons in Mexico for any criminal holding a Mexican passport or a Mexican Matricula consulaire card. They ARE Mexican citizens, after all. Think of it as a Tijuana Abu Graib, only run by Mexicans.

  5. anon • Disclaimer says:

    There should be emphasis that it’s minorities who are at risk of genocide that should rightfully have first priority as refugees. This will mean ethnic groups that are not Sunni Muslim and Christians will be favored, limiting numbers and increasing quality. Also many Sunni Muslims will try to convert to Christianity to get in, and the religious authorities back home will be humiliated and try to discourage Muslims from migrating.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @anon

    "There should be emphasis that it’s minorities who are at risk of genocide that should rightfully have first priority as refugees."

    Over the course of a few decades, the number of people belonging to "minorities" who are "at risk of genocide" will come to number in the hundreds of millions. Are we obliged to take all of them in?

    Replies: @ben tillman

    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    @anon

    Mohammedan thought processes have no problem with lying to obtain some any end. Lying in support of spreading the satanic infection is positively embraced.

    , @Escher
    @anon

    I guess you haven't heard of the Koranically sanctioned practice of 'Taqiyya' where a Muslim is allowed to lie and even (outwardly) betray his religion in order to get close to his enemy.

  6. Does Steve care about whites becoming a minority if the culprit is not Muslims, blacks, or Mexicans?

    • Replies: @Foreign Expert
    @rvg


    Does Steve care about whites becoming a minority if the culprit is not Muslims, blacks, or Mexicans?
     
    He cares about Americans becoming a minority.

    Replies: @rvg

    , @AndrewR
    @rvg

    So much ignorance in so few words. Bravissimo!

    , @Doug
    @rvg

    Being white in Hong Kong is a way better deal than being white in Zimbabwe.

    Replies: @rvg, @Jon

    , @Sean
    @rvg


    Does Steve care about whites becoming a minority if the culprit is not Muslims, blacks, or Mexicans?
     
    The alternative is not daring to care, because they happen to be Muslims, blacks, or Mexicans?
  7. France has a good idea to keep refugees away, over whelming bureaucracy staffed by indifferent workers so & stingy benefits. Of course with a socialist in charge that might quickly change.

    One thing of note in the article is how social media guides the decisions of migrants. When a country gains a rep of being generous word gets out quickly.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/refugees-spurn-france-search-better-life-042706132.html

  8. @rvg
    Does Steve care about whites becoming a minority if the culprit is not Muslims, blacks, or Mexicans?

    Replies: @Foreign Expert, @AndrewR, @Doug, @Sean

    Does Steve care about whites becoming a minority if the culprit is not Muslims, blacks, or Mexicans?

    He cares about Americans becoming a minority.

    • Replies: @rvg
    @Foreign Expert

    Nice evasive maneuver. How do you define the word American?

    Replies: @bomag, @AndrewR, @D. K., @Chris Mallory

  9. Do recent political events in Australia threaten to change Australia’s policy? Just curious.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @meh

    John O'Sullivan says the new guy in Australia wouldn't have solved the boat problem if he'd been in instead of Abbott; but he probably won't go out of his way to actively break what his predecessor fixed.

    On the other hand, a lot of things require not just maintenance to keep going but high level enthusiasm.

    , @With the thoughts you'd be thinkin
    @meh

    As an Australian I doubt it as these policies were the only reason the Abbott government was able to hang on as long as it did and removing the policies was a major reason labour got forced out in the first place.

    , @Richard of Melbourne
    @meh

    "Do recent political events in Australia threaten to change Australia’s policy? Just curious."

    In Australia there is a large, influential and very noisy leftist minority who are adamantly opposed to the current successful policy that has entirely stopped "irregular maritime arrivals" (to use the official phrase).

    The new Prime Minister (Turnbull) tends to share the views of that minority, at least on social issues, notwithstanding he is in (and now leads) a centre-right party (called the Liberal Party, just to confuse our American friends).

    Turnbull would most likely restore the status quo ante if he had enough freedom to do so, but he would risk an immediate and violent backlash from his party - and from the majority of the electorate - if he tried it. My money is on his self-interest trumping his heartfelt wish to show all his friends at Eastern Suburbs (of Sydney) dinner parties what a goodwhite he is.

    , @alice
    @meh

    Read this bit by Steyn to see his take on the election in Australia:
    http://www.steynonline.com/section/16/steyn-on-the-world

    Shorter version: Turnbull may be a social lib in many ways, but he knows demography. Steyn thinks he may be the only politician who does.

    Replies: @Lot

  10. @rvg
    Does Steve care about whites becoming a minority if the culprit is not Muslims, blacks, or Mexicans?

    Replies: @Foreign Expert, @AndrewR, @Doug, @Sean

    So much ignorance in so few words. Bravissimo!

  11. @Foreign Expert
    @rvg


    Does Steve care about whites becoming a minority if the culprit is not Muslims, blacks, or Mexicans?
     
    He cares about Americans becoming a minority.

    Replies: @rvg

    Nice evasive maneuver. How do you define the word American?

    • Replies: @bomag
    @rvg

    How do you define the word American?

    Someone who speaks the language and follows the customs.

    Nice evasive maneuver on your part to play dumb and start parsing definitions.

    Replies: @rvg

    , @AndrewR
    @rvg

    Probably the same way most folks do. Few people buy into your apparent belief that only White Aryan Übermenschen can be considered American.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    , @D. K.
    @rvg

    An American is a citizen of the United States of America. It is not an arcane designation that needs to be debated by philosophers or ethicists.

    , @Chris Mallory
    @rvg

    American-Descendants of those British Protestants who founded the United States of America. Immigrants from other nations will always be invaders, never Americans.

    Replies: @EvolutionistX

  12. @Bill B.
    I think this Australian idea of paying Cambodia to take boat people a superb idea. Win-win.

    If the boaters are that desperate they should be happy, Cambodia makes money. Would be migrants get sent a terrific message.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/06/refugees-arrive-cambodia-australian-detention-150604034143401.html

    This is absolutely what Europe should do. Push them back into holding area in North Africa. It would be expensive but less than the total future costs of taking them in. Of course it has to be done with panache.

    Bribery is an under appreciated force for good in world affairs; carefully done. If the price is right some country would act as a holding cum education centre south of the US border. What about paying Mexico to send them there before they reach the border? Combine this with a watered down Marshall program for propaganda affect.

    (Of course everywhere in the West are Open Borders crowds that jam sensible solutions but who don't seem to have as much traction in Oz.)

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Big Bill

    The U.S. has a 12 square mile Air Force Base in Honduras.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soto_Cano_Air_Base

    That seems like it could be a useful asset come the next Camp of the Saints like the 2014 “unaccompanied minors” rush for the border: when Central American asylum seekers show up at the U.S. border, you just fly them down to a tent city set up on the USAF base in Honduras. They can have a cot and 3 hots per day until their cases are decided.

    Instantly sending them back to Central America would convey the image of futility.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    I work as a [...] for [...], have a badge and creds, and have inside knowledge of DHS/USCIS. At USCIS (formerly INS) a lot of the new hires were born in Third World countries and/or have ties there. The others are SJW who worked internships for immigrant groups while in law school. So, "until their cases are decided" strikes me as naïve.

    Replies: @G Pinfold

    , @rod1963
    @Steve Sailer

    Steve is ever the optimist.

    But don't worry it will be business as usual. With the GOP solidly in the hands of the Chambers of Commerce and Wall Street, the welcome mat will be kept wide open, assuming a Jeb or Rubio wins.

    If Biden wins, he'll do what his mega-donors tell him to do - keep the borders open.

    If Trump wins, it's a different story. we might have a chance of surviving as a country, for a few more years.

    The thing is our political, intellectual and monied classes want open borders and unlimited immigration. They are just like Merkel and her gang of suicidal maniacs They have no use for whites, they really don't.

    The only question that I'm concerned with at this point, is what will be the straw that breaks the camel's back and things go pear shaped.

    , @TenD
    @Steve Sailer

    I thought that's what Guantanamo was for.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Bulkeley


    "In 1991, the camp was revived and drawn into the national spotlight due to a coup d'etat in Haiti causing a large scale exodus of people. The United States Coast Guard rescued persons in International Waters and brought them to the Naval Station for processing. Rescued persons were held in locations near Camp Bulkeley."

    The 'refugees' need to become 'rescuees', and then they can be rescued to a remote base, **in some other country.** It's been done before. Of course, what actually happened to all the rescuees? Did they end up here anyway?

    Replies: @dsgntd_plyr

    , @dsgntd_plyr
    @Steve Sailer


    The U.S. has a 12 square mile Air Force Base in Honduras. That seems like it could be a useful asset come the next Camp of the Saints like the 2014 “unaccompanied minors” rush for the border
     
    Elizabeth, NJ is about 12 sq mi, with a population density of 10,144.1. So that's about 122k people.

    Gitmo hosted 30k Haitians after a coup in the early 90s so the US knows how to retrofit military bases for migrants. At 45 sq mi it's similar in size to San Francisco which has 12,246.4 people/sq mi. So that would be over 551k people.
  13. @meh
    Do recent political events in Australia threaten to change Australia's policy? Just curious.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @With the thoughts you'd be thinkin, @Richard of Melbourne, @alice

    John O’Sullivan says the new guy in Australia wouldn’t have solved the boat problem if he’d been in instead of Abbott; but he probably won’t go out of his way to actively break what his predecessor fixed.

    On the other hand, a lot of things require not just maintenance to keep going but high level enthusiasm.

  14. @rvg
    Does Steve care about whites becoming a minority if the culprit is not Muslims, blacks, or Mexicans?

    Replies: @Foreign Expert, @AndrewR, @Doug, @Sean

    Being white in Hong Kong is a way better deal than being white in Zimbabwe.

    • Replies: @rvg
    @Doug

    So you are OK with whites being replaced as long as it is with Asians?

    Replies: @bomag, @AndrewR, @Harry Baldwin

    , @Jon
    @Doug


    Being white in Hong Kong is a way better deal than being white in Zimbabwe.
     
    Having been a member of the white minority in situations very similar to both of the above scenarios, I can confirm that this is absolutely the truth.
  15. @anon
    There should be emphasis that it's minorities who are at risk of genocide that should rightfully have first priority as refugees. This will mean ethnic groups that are not Sunni Muslim and Christians will be favored, limiting numbers and increasing quality. Also many Sunni Muslims will try to convert to Christianity to get in, and the religious authorities back home will be humiliated and try to discourage Muslims from migrating.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Escher

    “There should be emphasis that it’s minorities who are at risk of genocide that should rightfully have first priority as refugees.”

    Over the course of a few decades, the number of people belonging to “minorities” who are “at risk of genocide” will come to number in the hundreds of millions. Are we obliged to take all of them in?

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Wilkey


    Over the course of a few decades, the number of people belonging to “minorities” who are “at risk of genocide” will come to number in the hundreds of millions. Are we obliged to take all of them in?
     
    We? Are *we* obliged?

    In two decades *we* will be a minority at risk of genocide.
  16. “What Plans Should America Have in Place to Stymie a Camp of the Saints Here?”

    Here’s a suggestion which could help solve both the immigration problem and the budget deficit. Currently many if not most of our welfare programs are treated as entitlements. That means that if the number of food stamp recipients double, then so does the amount the government spends on food stamps. Welfare programs are treated like a supposedly bottomless pit of money.

    Instead, we should budget a specific amount of money for welfare benefits. If the number of people who qualify for a program goes up, then the value of the benefit for each family or individual goes down. That will incentivize poor voters to want to keep large numbers of other poor people from entering the country.

    Another option would be to create a separate income tax for welfare (and perhaps for every government department). Have it apply to every last penny of income, including capital gains, with no deductions. When the number of people using welfare goes up, so do everyone’s taxes. When the value of welfare benefits go up, so do everyone’s taxes.

    Our current income tax system is far too opaque, and effectively hides the cost of individual government programs from the taxpayers.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Wilkey

    Excellent idea. To that I would add:

    1.) Actually penalizing employers of illegal aliens.

    2.) Defunding all State Department resettlement programs.

    3.) PSAs in foreign companies that are actively hostile and unwelcoming.

    , @Lot
    @Wilkey

    That's something Republicans have been proposing for a while. In the 90's they called this block grants and proposed this as a replacement for AFDC/TANF. As it turns out, this subterfuge wasn't needed, the public supported cuts to both eligibility, amounts, and time allowed for traditional welfare. However, it may also have backfired as "welfare mothers" figured out it was better for them to get themselves and their kids of disability, which pays about twice as much as welfare ever did.

    The wave of GOP governors in the 90's and 00's, then the economic collapse in 2008, led to the states like that California than used local funds to make welfare more generous than federal requirements to eliminate or cut back their programs. California has something called "general assistance" that even able-bodied single men can get. But the program was cut back so much the amount is usually under $100/mo, and counties can get waivers where they use this money for homeless programs and pay nothing.

    As a variant of black grants, Paul Ryan's plan for Medicare is to turn it into a voucher for private insurance, the amount of which is not tied to actual medical costs, so in effect switches Medicare to a fixed amount of spending.

    Replies: @Wilkey

    , @BigGaySteve
    @Wilkey

    The Swiss have a pay as you go system. The cost for a refugee family of 8 is around $60,000USD a month. Keep in mind AIDS drugs alone cost $2,000-$5,000 a month per person. Estimates saying each illegal will cost over 1/2 million to taxpayers over their lifetime ignores costs the govt wont release.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2758055/Outraged-Swiss-village-1-000-residents-forced-raise-taxes-African-refugee-mother-seven-moves-costs-40-000-month-benefits.html

    , @Name Withheld
    @Wilkey

    Refugees are exempt for any welfare restrictions on immigrants. Those 60,000 Mexican "children", are all getting benefits including better medical care than corporate America is giving right now to the middle class. Of course, in states like New York, these restrictions on immigrants don't seem to apply.

  17. @meh
    Do recent political events in Australia threaten to change Australia's policy? Just curious.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @With the thoughts you'd be thinkin, @Richard of Melbourne, @alice

    As an Australian I doubt it as these policies were the only reason the Abbott government was able to hang on as long as it did and removing the policies was a major reason labour got forced out in the first place.

  18. “John O’Sullivan says the new guy in Australia wouldn’t have solved the boat problem if he’d been in instead of Abbott; but he probably won’t go out of his way to actively break what his predecessor fixed.”

    The first thing establishment types do when they come into power is find ways to break immigration enforcement. I hope Mr. O’Sullivan is right. I strongly suspect that he isn’t.

    Either way, Australia’s legal immigration policies are already quite insane before you even begin to count potential boat people.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Wilkey


    Either way, Australia’s legal immigration policies are already quite insane before you even begin to count potential boat people.
     
    What I hear is Australia is becoming Asian very fast via legal immigration. Asians from India, China, Burma, Thailand, Vietnam, every place in Asia but not as many from Muslim nations such as Afghanistan. Most have to pass skills tests? English proficiency? The best thing than can be said is that Australia is allowing in educated Asians while we are the dumping ground for Mexico, Central America and the 3rd world.

    I read some Australian propaganda that they must allow in so many Asians to keep ahead technologically. A very high number of Chinese go to university there (similar to the American situation) and how many will return home?

    Replies: @Wilkey, @dfordoom

  19. @Doug
    @rvg

    Being white in Hong Kong is a way better deal than being white in Zimbabwe.

    Replies: @rvg, @Jon

    So you are OK with whites being replaced as long as it is with Asians?

    • Replies: @bomag
    @rvg

    ...as long as it is with Asians?

    I'm not a fan of replacement; I'd rather be part of a growing, accomplished, and active polity. But if a choice needs to be made, let us align with a group closest to my values.

    , @AndrewR
    @rvg

    Define "white" and "Asian."

    Also don't put words in people's mouths. That is very trashy.

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @rvg

    Why not just come out and make your point without playing a low-IQ version of Socrates?

    Replies: @Sunbeam

  20. I think you saw last summer what the plan is.

  21. I know this isn’t subtle, but remote machine guns on the border operated by 14 year old boys with appropriate gamification would be an effective and low cost deterrent. When the flash mob is detected, patch in the guys on top of the ladder. Few demographics are as cold blooded as 14yo boys.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  22. Until all anti-Whites in gov’t are exposed and removed, no plan will work.

    Once they are removed, there are a thousand ways to secure out borders.

    Get the anti-Whites out NOW. With them in power, nothing is possible. With them gone, all things become possible.

    And yes, most of these anti-Whites are White. That’s why they are properly called traitors.

  23. All you need to do is to elect politicians with brains.
    And balls.

    That’s too much to ask for in these pussy-whipped times.

  24. 1. We start by saying that we will never return someone who has fled for their life from their home country to their home country. It would be inhumane.
    2. We make an agreement with a country such as North Korea or the Democratic Republic of Congo, or Sudan to take the refugees. They will be paid $1000 for every year that the refugee remains in the country.
    3. Every refugee who arrives will have their application automatically accepted and be immediately shipped to the country from step 2.
    4. If any refugee has troubles leaving their country of refuge, we will file protests through official channels with the country from step 2 while holding firmly to our no bribery policy.

  25. Chris Rock says books are kyptonite to n-words, line the borders with a wall of books…problem solved.

  26. Israel has developed techniques to repel a Camp of the Saints invasion.

    Unfortunately, workable methods aren’t America’s problem, its politics are.

    Among the worse political problems is California’s electoral and congressional votes, which drive America’s elections and immigration policies.

    A longshot mandate for Donald Trump’s immigration proposal in the 2016 presidential and congressional elections would offer the new government a chance to adopt the Israeli solution for the short term.

    For the long run, however, the problem remains the growing Mexican population in the Southwest, which patriotic politicians can only peacefully detach from the United States by renegotiating the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo.

    The renegotiated treaty would return the “stolen lands” and Texas (minus the military bases) to Mexico. The land transfer would take effect as soon as two million illegals living in other parts of the United States moved to Mexico, Texas, Arizona, California or New Mexico.

    Liberals might support the plan out of white guilt.

    Illegals might support the proposal at the insistence of Carlos Slim, drug cartel kingpins, and other influential Mexican thieves enticed by favorable business terms in the deal.

    Rid of the Reconquista in the “stolen lands,” traditional Americans would have a second chance to rekindle Western Civilization. Unfortunately, there are no guarantees.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Buzz Baldrin

    ...renegotiating the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo.

    Wrong idea. They would be back for the rest in short order.

    We should militarily occupy the northern Mexican provinces and cut all ties and trade with that evil entity. Then we will have a militarized border where we can fight endless skirmishes. Good for the economy.

    Replies: @Buzz Baldrin, @Anonym

  27. Use propaganda. The South Americans seem more susceptible to superstition and rumors. Organ harvesting by coyotes, Americans murdering migrants and facing no punishment, Satanic worship on the rise, etc. You’d have to mix and match to see what would work. The liberal media will repeat any rumor that sounds scary and racist. It wouldn’t be hard to hoax em’.

    • Replies: @FactsAreImportant
    @Orthodox

    Spread rumors that immigrants are mysteriously becoming sterile.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Big Bill

    , @Hail
    @Orthodox

    Instead, just start circulating stories of mass deportations, fingerprinting with a ten year entry ban and lifetime ban for repeat offenders, along with financial penalties -- After arrest, the illegal must pay all likely back taxes he'd have owed before his own deportation, with imprisonment if he be unable or unwilling to pay.

    Self deportation would begin, and immediately far fewer would come over. The answer is to unwaveringly support an aggressive and highly public deportation policy. Trump is the only major political figure doing so in perhaps sixty years.

    At the debate, somebody, I think Chris Christie, mocked as impossible the deportation of 10,000 a day for five years, but most would self-deport if the USA began an actual crackdown.

  28. @Wilkey
    "John O’Sullivan says the new guy in Australia wouldn’t have solved the boat problem if he’d been in instead of Abbott; but he probably won’t go out of his way to actively break what his predecessor fixed."

    The first thing establishment types do when they come into power is find ways to break immigration enforcement. I hope Mr. O'Sullivan is right. I strongly suspect that he isn't.

    Either way, Australia's legal immigration policies are already quite insane before you even begin to count potential boat people.

    Replies: @Clyde

    Either way, Australia’s legal immigration policies are already quite insane before you even begin to count potential boat people.

    What I hear is Australia is becoming Asian very fast via legal immigration. Asians from India, China, Burma, Thailand, Vietnam, every place in Asia but not as many from Muslim nations such as Afghanistan. Most have to pass skills tests? English proficiency? The best thing than can be said is that Australia is allowing in educated Asians while we are the dumping ground for Mexico, Central America and the 3rd world.

    I read some Australian propaganda that they must allow in so many Asians to keep ahead technologically. A very high number of Chinese go to university there (similar to the American situation) and how many will return home?

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @Clyde

    "The best thing than can be said is that Australia is allowing in educated Asians while we are the dumping ground for Mexico, Central America and the 3rd world."

    Another advantage to Asian immigration: Asians don't breed as prolifically as Hispanics and Muslims. Import Hispanics and Muslims and you are importing people who will rapidly outbreed the natives. Polynesians are quite fecund, as well, and AU and NZ are importing plenty of those.

    , @dfordoom
    @Clyde

    I read some Australian propaganda that they must allow in so many Asians to keep ahead technologically.

    That's amusing. We're basically a Third World country. I didn't know we had any technology.

  29. @rvg
    @Foreign Expert

    Nice evasive maneuver. How do you define the word American?

    Replies: @bomag, @AndrewR, @D. K., @Chris Mallory

    How do you define the word American?

    Someone who speaks the language and follows the customs.

    Nice evasive maneuver on your part to play dumb and start parsing definitions.

    • Replies: @rvg
    @bomag

    So you would not mind replacement so much as long as it with a high IQ minority? You are as much of an anti white as the liberals are.

  30. You guys are jerks

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Anonymous

    You guys are jerks

    Thanks, that really made my day.

    , @bomag
    @Anonymous

    You guys are jerks

    And yet a third of the world wants to be my neighbor. Or, I should say, they want to live next to me while I support them.

  31. @meh
    Do recent political events in Australia threaten to change Australia's policy? Just curious.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @With the thoughts you'd be thinkin, @Richard of Melbourne, @alice

    “Do recent political events in Australia threaten to change Australia’s policy? Just curious.”

    In Australia there is a large, influential and very noisy leftist minority who are adamantly opposed to the current successful policy that has entirely stopped “irregular maritime arrivals” (to use the official phrase).

    The new Prime Minister (Turnbull) tends to share the views of that minority, at least on social issues, notwithstanding he is in (and now leads) a centre-right party (called the Liberal Party, just to confuse our American friends).

    Turnbull would most likely restore the status quo ante if he had enough freedom to do so, but he would risk an immediate and violent backlash from his party – and from the majority of the electorate – if he tried it. My money is on his self-interest trumping his heartfelt wish to show all his friends at Eastern Suburbs (of Sydney) dinner parties what a goodwhite he is.

  32. Why do you think Obama has appointed an open homosexual to be Secretary of the Army? Is there some sort of war going on in deep state?

  33. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Just a lot of soft propaganda about how Madame President Hillary is going to take away everyone’s SUV, fast food, and religious celebrations as Merica is converted to a highly efficient (and legalistic) techno-utopia. You will have to fill out a thick stack of forms to get Free Health Insurance. They’re going to eliminate cash and have all commerce conducted through government computers. The FCC could offer to restrict international usage of cellphone minutes to help combat global warming

  34. Why is Steve censoring comments against east asians, and only letting in comments against blacks? Who is he trying to protect?

  35. Steve, what choices were we given last year in the Dominican invasion? None. That’s why I’ve been hyperventilating over this. I like your idea of putting them right back in Central America to await the outcome, which jibes nicely with my idea of flying the European boat people back to a spot in Africa. But where’s the will to do it?

    • Replies: @Jeff77450
    @education realist

    Agreed.

    We haven't had the collective will to effectively deal with the 11-30 million (depending on who's number you believe) illegal aliens. For forty years we've been collectively standing around like Elmer Fudd looking baffled and asking, "Which way did that wabbit go?"

    , @whorefinder
    @education realist


    But where’s the will to do it?
     
    See: the supporters of Donald Trump.

    As with guns in the EU, immigration issues in America are elites v. everyman.

    The elites in Europe have imposed gun confiscation via totalitarian, undemocratic measures, but polls consistently show that everyman Europeans (even socialists) in all countries favor a U.S.-style freedom to own guns.

    Similarly, the elites in the US are for shamnesty, open borders, destruction of US jobs, etc. But most everyman Americans (even leftists!) favor deportation, strict imposition of current immigration laws, building a wall, etc.

    The will is there; the elites in both cases keep repeating that it's not. Don't believe the lies.
  36. @rvg
    @Doug

    So you are OK with whites being replaced as long as it is with Asians?

    Replies: @bomag, @AndrewR, @Harry Baldwin

    …as long as it is with Asians?

    I’m not a fan of replacement; I’d rather be part of a growing, accomplished, and active polity. But if a choice needs to be made, let us align with a group closest to my values.

  37. One obvious thing is a serious President will have a well commanded Coast Guard ready to respond via pushing boats back and via a blockade. Is Europe doing this quietly now? Because I don’t hear much now about the rusty old boats full of Africans and Arabs going from Libya to Italy. Maybe Europe finally came to its senses when it saw Angela Merkel unilaterally encourage the land invasion of Syrians and other refugees

  38. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Best thing would be for them not to want to come here in the first place: no welfare, no housing, illegal entry gets you labor camp time and expulsion, no enrollment of illegal’s children in the schools, etc. Word gets out quickly as to where the best places are and the living easiest. However, this isn’t, and won’t be, done because the government itself has been complicit in expediting illegal entry into the US from south of the border as it’s behavior in it’s entirety shows. We’ve been having a Camp of the Saints already since the early 90’s; it just hasn’t been as dramatic as the current European experience because it’s been more drawn out. Lots of people are guesstimating that we have perhaps 30 million illegals living here which would make it the largest mass movement of population from one country to another in history, dwarfing the current goings-on in Europe. First the will and determination to do something has to be found and then the mechanics of implementing it will follow. Today there is no will, the government and it’s media mouthpieces along with the billionaire class are arrayed against the interests and wishes of the bulk of the citizenry and half of the American people are brain-dead anyway so I’m not very sanguine about our prospects but keep hoping to be proven wrong.

  39. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    What seems entirely lost in the debate about this crisis, is that the crisis is purely and simply a direct function of the 1951 Geneva Convention on refugees, which opens up signatory nations to the obligation of offering asylum to those seeking refuge on the grounds of persecution from state actors on the grounds of ‘race’,’religion’ or ‘political opinion’. All done with the best intentions, no doubt, after the era of naziism.
    Apparently, the original drafters of the convention had the foresight and wisdom to limit protection to Europeans only.
    Damned fools in 1968, made – with hindsight – the demented decision to apply the convention to the entire world.
    Even more damnable fools – in the EU, no surprise there then – extended the convention to ‘all those in war zones’.

    All that is needed is a return to commonsense, rational nationalism, and the realisation that ‘universalism’ and ‘natural rights’ are pure ‘bollocks on stilts’, that simply cannot be afforded by the intelligent nation state. Out with the idealism and in with the realism.

    • Replies: @Big bill
    @Anonymous

    In a nutshell! The Refugee treaty was institutionalized Holocaust guilt combined with moral preening after Nuremberg to prove we were "different" and "better".

    But remember, shortly before the UN refugee treaty we were uprooting Germans from all over Eurasia, taking their property and forcing them back to Germany. And that expulsion included huge number of "Germans" who were themselves refugees from a previous oppressive German regime. Heck, some of the "Germans" forced back to Germany had been living as refugees in other countries for several hundred years.

    My takeaway: ethnic cleansing of refugees--even refugees from hundreds of years before--is perfectly compatible with the UN refugee treaty.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  40. @john marzan
    you gotta be jealous of canada. they have a "natural buffer zone" against the invading hordes (called the USA) and their immigration system attracts the right kinds of people while making it extremely hard for undesirables to immigrate.

    http://globalnation.inquirer.net/88693/new-report-says-immigrants-fiscally-burden-canada

    Replies: @Another Canadian, @Taysse, @Bernie

    In September Mexico’s Ambassador Francisco Suarez railed against Canada’s Harper administration. Quoted from Taliba, “We’re now really mad. Canada has the most stringent visa system for Mexicans by any country in the world.”

    Suarez told Taliba that it is easier to get a visa to the US where there are more illegal border crossings from Mexico. “The Canadians require 10 times more information than the Americans.”
    “I had to put the date when my mother and father died, 15 and 20 years ago. What’s the use of putting in that date?”

  41. God didn’t make the Aleutian islands needlessly.

  42. @education realist
    Steve, what choices were we given last year in the Dominican invasion? None. That's why I've been hyperventilating over this. I like your idea of putting them right back in Central America to await the outcome, which jibes nicely with my idea of flying the European boat people back to a spot in Africa. But where's the will to do it?

    Replies: @Jeff77450, @whorefinder

    Agreed.

    We haven’t had the collective will to effectively deal with the 11-30 million (depending on who’s number you believe) illegal aliens. For forty years we’ve been collectively standing around like Elmer Fudd looking baffled and asking, “Which way did that wabbit go?”

  43. @education realist
    Steve, what choices were we given last year in the Dominican invasion? None. That's why I've been hyperventilating over this. I like your idea of putting them right back in Central America to await the outcome, which jibes nicely with my idea of flying the European boat people back to a spot in Africa. But where's the will to do it?

    Replies: @Jeff77450, @whorefinder

    But where’s the will to do it?

    See: the supporters of Donald Trump.

    As with guns in the EU, immigration issues in America are elites v. everyman.

    The elites in Europe have imposed gun confiscation via totalitarian, undemocratic measures, but polls consistently show that everyman Europeans (even socialists) in all countries favor a U.S.-style freedom to own guns.

    Similarly, the elites in the US are for shamnesty, open borders, destruction of US jobs, etc. But most everyman Americans (even leftists!) favor deportation, strict imposition of current immigration laws, building a wall, etc.

    The will is there; the elites in both cases keep repeating that it’s not. Don’t believe the lies.

  44. What we need is a government that’s on our side, and that is trying to preserve American society instead of trying to destroy it.

    Unless we get that, America is doomed to become another third-world hellhole with a tiny plutocrat class lording it over a vast impoverished rabble.

    We can pray that the destroyers face justice, but it’s unlikely to happen in this world.

  45. Send ‘me all to Liberia and Sierra Leone. That’s what those places are for.

    • Agree: Kylie
  46. @Wilkey
    "What Plans Should America Have in Place to Stymie a Camp of the Saints Here?"

    Here's a suggestion which could help solve both the immigration problem and the budget deficit. Currently many if not most of our welfare programs are treated as entitlements. That means that if the number of food stamp recipients double, then so does the amount the government spends on food stamps. Welfare programs are treated like a supposedly bottomless pit of money.

    Instead, we should budget a specific amount of money for welfare benefits. If the number of people who qualify for a program goes up, then the value of the benefit for each family or individual goes down. That will incentivize poor voters to want to keep large numbers of other poor people from entering the country.

    Another option would be to create a separate income tax for welfare (and perhaps for every government department). Have it apply to every last penny of income, including capital gains, with no deductions. When the number of people using welfare goes up, so do everyone's taxes. When the value of welfare benefits go up, so do everyone's taxes.

    Our current income tax system is far too opaque, and effectively hides the cost of individual government programs from the taxpayers.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Lot, @BigGaySteve, @Name Withheld

    Excellent idea. To that I would add:

    1.) Actually penalizing employers of illegal aliens.

    2.) Defunding all State Department resettlement programs.

    3.) PSAs in foreign companies that are actively hostile and unwelcoming.

  47. @anon
    There should be emphasis that it's minorities who are at risk of genocide that should rightfully have first priority as refugees. This will mean ethnic groups that are not Sunni Muslim and Christians will be favored, limiting numbers and increasing quality. Also many Sunni Muslims will try to convert to Christianity to get in, and the religious authorities back home will be humiliated and try to discourage Muslims from migrating.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Escher

    Mohammedan thought processes have no problem with lying to obtain some any end. Lying in support of spreading the satanic infection is positively embraced.

  48. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @Bill B.

    The U.S. has a 12 square mile Air Force Base in Honduras.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soto_Cano_Air_Base

    That seems like it could be a useful asset come the next Camp of the Saints like the 2014 "unaccompanied minors" rush for the border: when Central American asylum seekers show up at the U.S. border, you just fly them down to a tent city set up on the USAF base in Honduras. They can have a cot and 3 hots per day until their cases are decided.

    Instantly sending them back to Central America would convey the image of futility.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @rod1963, @TenD, @dsgntd_plyr

    I work as a […] for […], have a badge and creds, and have inside knowledge of DHS/USCIS. At USCIS (formerly INS) a lot of the new hires were born in Third World countries and/or have ties there. The others are SJW who worked internships for immigrant groups while in law school. So, “until their cases are decided” strikes me as naïve.

    • Replies: @G Pinfold
    @Anonymous


    DHS/USCIS. At USCIS (formerly INS) a lot of the new hires were born in Third World countries and/or have ties there. The others are SJW who worked internships for immigrant groups while in law school. So, “until their cases are decided” strikes me as naïve.
     
    In Australia we hear the usual SJWs citing the high percentage of illegals who have their refugee status confirmed by the process. The SJWs quote the numbers as if they mean something other than what your point implies. Yet, all the people smuggling boats depart from third countries where the migrants face no imminent threat other than poverty, humiliation and, er, micro-aggression from the native populations of the 'transit countries'.
  49. We have roughly a century of stockpiled firepower, and defense comes down to being willing to use that. A wall or fence is no good if we won’t defend it, the law meaningless if we won’t enforce it. If instead our people are really determined to give their nation away, it really doesn’t matter what the plans are for that. I suppose education about the camp of the saints, and demographics and what they really mean would prove useful, but that is too racist to work.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @AnAnon


    I suppose education about the camp of the saints, and demographics and what they really mean would prove useful, but that is too racist to work.
     
    What would really prove useful is education that includes an emphasis on Salter's concept of EGI and his "child equivalents".

    https://majorityrights.com/images/uploads/EGI.pdf


    Let us consider other examples. What if the immigrants were Bantus - a population very genetically distant from the English - rather than Danes? Here the genetic cost to any given Englishman of the arrival of 10,000 Bantus is the equivalent of 10,854 lost children! Clearly, the extent of the genetic transformation of a population depends on the genetic distance between the native and immigrant populations.

    What if the levels of immigration were greater, and more in keeping with the massive displacement of Western peoples we observe today? If 12.5 million Englishmen were replaced by an equal number of Danes, the genetic loss to each individual Englishman would be the equivalent of 209,000 children not born; if the immigrants were from India, the loss would be 2.6 million children; if the immigrants were Bantus, 13 million. These figures are not “guesses;” they are objective, mathematical results based on genetic data. As stated above, these figures likely underestimate the real genetic damage. It is also important to stress that this loss is not somehow reduced by being spread over the entire native population. The loss in terms of genetic equivalents reflects the change in population from the point of view of every member of the native populace. Dr. Salter writes: “For a native woman it is equivalent to the loss of her children and grandchildren, for a native man it is equivalent to the loss of his children and grandchildren, though on a much larger scale” (emphasis in original paper).

    To further illustrate these points Salter then determines the number of immigrants of group y necessary to reduce the genetic interests of a random member of native group x by one child equivalent. For Europeans, an average of only 1.1 African or 1.7 Northeast Asian immigrants is sufficient for the loss of one child equivalent. In other words, using conservative genetic data that likely underestimate these effects, the presence of about one African, or about two Northeast Asians, damages the genetic interests of a typical white (i.e., of European ancestry) person to a degree equivalent to that of losing a child. This is a powerful and personal argument against racially alien immigration and against a multiracial society.
     

  50. It appears that trump will fall to fiorina, who is Steves worst nightmare and can actually win the nomination, and so the h1b and cheap labor flood continges. How do you guys feel now?

    • Replies: @e
    @Anonymous

    Not according to today's post debate #2 Zogby poll.

    , @Jefferson
    @Anonymous

    "It appears that trump will fall to fiorina, who is Steves worst nightmare and can actually win the nomination, and so the h1b and cheap labor flood continges. How do you guys feel now?"

    Carly Fiorina is not in 1st place.

  51. So it appears fiorina will win over trump, so the cheap labor flood continues.

  52. So it appears fiorina will win over trump, so the cheap labor flood continues.

  53. • Replies: @Big Bill
    @Priss Factor

    Your weblink headline: "2nd worst weekend of 2015 for Chicago gun violence: 8 dead, 45 wounded".

    1. Why not tell the truth: "Second worst weekend for Chicago Negro Violence".

    2. Rather than waste time on the Chicago papers, you can go straight to http://heyjackass.com. It shows the murder and shooting statistics with a very colorful and informative layout: maps, time series, photos, charts and graphs of every kind.

    Replies: @Boomstick

  54. US, esp the South, has camp of saints with the negroes.

    US uses Mexicans as lesser camp of saints against blacks who are the horrible camp of saints.

  55. 1. Make refugee admissions count against a fixed allotment of slots for regular immigrants. If say, 200K refugees are taken in a year, that reduces by the same number the slots for H1 visas, family reunification, visa lottery, etc., admissions.
    2. Steve’s idea of warehousing them somewhere like Honduras. Further refinement, refugees in the camps cannot be processed for US admission until they can produce proof of identity and country of origin so they can’t pull the throw away their documents stunt.
    3. If applicants are denied refugee status and their home country refuses to accept them back, stop issuing any visas for that country. Even the elites who don’t want to emigrate here will hate the idea of not being able to send their kids to school in the US, or make the occasional luxury shopping spree trip.
    4. Since the migrants are using social media to communicate where the soft spots are, publicize the measures heavily on these media so that migrants can see video of migrants NOT getting to the promised land.
    Of course these are all Step 2 measures. As Wilkey pointed out, they won’t happen unless we figure out some way to incentivize the powers that be to first want to stop refugees. At the moment they are all for it so no measure we propose here will fly.
    There are some good ideas such as a universal tax fromWilkey, or something similar such as the cost being directly cut from all government department budgets across the board. Maybe we need Trump to issue proposals for stopping the migrant flow to start building public support. Most people hate these invasions but they need someone to articulate how to stop them, and be the standard bearer around whom the political will can mobilize.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Alfa158

    These are good ideas, especially this one:
    Make refugee admissions count against a fixed allotment of slots for regular immigrants. If say, 200K refugees are taken in a year, that reduces by the same number the slots for H1 visas, family reunification, visa lottery, etc., admissions.

    It makes perfect sense. Maybe Trump can run with it.

  56. If I had to think of a good deterrent to immigrant flash mobs, without excluding genuine refugees who need asylum, it would be to announce that migrants are welcome, but they will not qualify for any welfare benefits.

    • Disagree: Kylie
    • Replies: @Kylie
    @jtgw


    If I had to think of a good deterrent to immigrant flash mobs, without excluding genuine refugees who need asylum, it would be to announce that migrants are welcome, but they will not qualify for any welfare benefits.
     
    Won't work. Once you convey the idea that any migrants are welcome based on need, you open the door to flagrant abuse as "genuine" and "need" will be redefined to the benefit of the flash mobs you want to exclude. Instead it should be genuine asylum seekers will be tolerated, all others will be turned away.

    Which leads to my subtle suggestion. Americans need to stop being so damn welcoming and friendly to migrants. Some few will genuinely appreciate it and respond in kind. Most will regard it as what it is--a kindness that so readily shades off into weakness. Just altering one's demeanor, smiling less often and less widely, making less effort to understand mangled English, making no effort to understand any other language--these all have a cooling effect on foreigners. Even the illiterate ones have gotten the memo--Americans are suckers. No need to be rude but any glad-handing should be avoided. NAMS are especially thin-skinned. They also tend to be bullies and you can almost always bully a bully. Formal and not friendly tends to cause them to back away, if not down completely. Migrants who don't feel welcome are far less likely to tell their families back home to "Come on in, the water's fine!"

    I base these suggestions on my years spent interacting daily with foreigners from all over the world while living in a college town.


    Any mangled English in my comments is the result of being temporarily legally blind. I'm not as good at touch typing as I thought.

    Replies: @BubbaJoe, @jtgw

  57. A submarine whose crew is chosen to be reliable in maintaining secrecy.

  58. Longshanks = liberal living in NYC or DC or Brussels

    Scots= normal Americans and Europeans

  59. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    No welfare for foreign born people.

    Count welfare paid to foreigners as a loan that their source country must repay to the US.

    Charge foreign countries a rent for allowing their people to use our country.

    Only allow in foreigners who have money in an escrow account somewhere that can pay for them to return.

  60. @rvg
    @Doug

    So you are OK with whites being replaced as long as it is with Asians?

    Replies: @bomag, @AndrewR, @Harry Baldwin

    Define “white” and “Asian.”

    Also don’t put words in people’s mouths. That is very trashy.

  61. @rvg
    @Foreign Expert

    Nice evasive maneuver. How do you define the word American?

    Replies: @bomag, @AndrewR, @D. K., @Chris Mallory

    Probably the same way most folks do. Few people buy into your apparent belief that only White Aryan Übermenschen can be considered American.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @AndrewR


    Probably the same way most folks do. Few people buy into your apparent belief that only White Aryan Übermenschen can be considered American.
     
    That belief was not apparent. In fact, you're interpretation is almost certainly wrong, which suggests that you're the one with a chip on your shoulder. An "American" can mean a lot of things.

    Replies: @rvg

  62. Nothing will work while we have a treacherous political and media elite.

    The only thing that will work is getting rid of the treacherous political and media elite.

  63. @Wilkey
    "What Plans Should America Have in Place to Stymie a Camp of the Saints Here?"

    Here's a suggestion which could help solve both the immigration problem and the budget deficit. Currently many if not most of our welfare programs are treated as entitlements. That means that if the number of food stamp recipients double, then so does the amount the government spends on food stamps. Welfare programs are treated like a supposedly bottomless pit of money.

    Instead, we should budget a specific amount of money for welfare benefits. If the number of people who qualify for a program goes up, then the value of the benefit for each family or individual goes down. That will incentivize poor voters to want to keep large numbers of other poor people from entering the country.

    Another option would be to create a separate income tax for welfare (and perhaps for every government department). Have it apply to every last penny of income, including capital gains, with no deductions. When the number of people using welfare goes up, so do everyone's taxes. When the value of welfare benefits go up, so do everyone's taxes.

    Our current income tax system is far too opaque, and effectively hides the cost of individual government programs from the taxpayers.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Lot, @BigGaySteve, @Name Withheld

    That’s something Republicans have been proposing for a while. In the 90’s they called this block grants and proposed this as a replacement for AFDC/TANF. As it turns out, this subterfuge wasn’t needed, the public supported cuts to both eligibility, amounts, and time allowed for traditional welfare. However, it may also have backfired as “welfare mothers” figured out it was better for them to get themselves and their kids of disability, which pays about twice as much as welfare ever did.

    The wave of GOP governors in the 90’s and 00’s, then the economic collapse in 2008, led to the states like that California than used local funds to make welfare more generous than federal requirements to eliminate or cut back their programs. California has something called “general assistance” that even able-bodied single men can get. But the program was cut back so much the amount is usually under $100/mo, and counties can get waivers where they use this money for homeless programs and pay nothing.

    As a variant of black grants, Paul Ryan’s plan for Medicare is to turn it into a voucher for private insurance, the amount of which is not tied to actual medical costs, so in effect switches Medicare to a fixed amount of spending.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @Lot

    Interesting, but it doesn't seem to have helped much. I think that breaking welfare spending off with it's own separate tax would be effective because in order to increase welfare spending you'd have to raise the tax rate, and that would be an effective impediment to increasing welfare benefits. If the welfare tax were 5% and Democrats wanted to increase welfare by 20% they'd have to raise everyone's taxes by 1%. Nowadays all they do when they increase spending is raise the debt ceiling.

    Which leads to another decent alternative: balancing the budget. Any requirement that the federal government keep it's budget balance is effectively a requirement to hold down spending on welfare, refugee resettlement, etc. - though it could also, of course, lead to less spending to secure the border.

    Replies: @Lot

  64. I’m pretty sure that rtg5tg54y, tgrehrthe and regvg are the same people. They all have the same writing style and the same autistic, paranoid obsession with white racial purity. Not that I want the US to become less white than it is but good god. Smoke a joint or something bro and chill.

  65. Electing Trump next fall seems to be the only viable solution in the shortish run. Nothing subtle about it though.

    A biometric national ID to be used for all financial transactions would remove the incentive for economic migrants.

    Large camps inside the Mexican border — we will pay but they furnish the land — is another idea, since Mexico could stop the flow over the border if they wanted to (again requires a Trumpian-style negotiation), with uber-style Mexican busses for repatriation. If they refuse cut off all trade.

    As for those coming by sea and air, how about if we work out a plan with Haiti — it needs the money desperately and no migrant in his right mind would want to go there (though it might supply that country with a lot of much-needed human capital, especially those from China).

    • Replies: @Big bill
    @Luke Lea

    Tag 'em all with an encrypted RFID tag. Don't skin pop it under the skin on their shoulders, but deep in their body cavity.

    When they sneak over the border, bag 'em and tag 'em.

  66. They are already here is the main problem, because in their tradition all the earth was originally Islamic, but infidels polluted it. But once a Muslim steps foot in an area, that land is now once again Islamic and must be further populated by Muslims until only Muslims live there. They separate the world into the Land of War and the Land of Islam, the Land of War being where Islam is not yet in total control.
    If you notice, once in the USA, though there are concentrations of them in certain regions, they make sure they spread to all 50 states so as to bring them into the Land of War. Even in Northern Idaho, in Coeur d’Alene, has been brought into that Land. About a month ago, a pickup with an
    extremely large white decal in Arabic script of the word, Allah, on the rear window and driven by
    a decidedly Middle Eastern appearing man along with a passenger likewise in appearance were seen driving along in town and their truck displayed Idaho plates, so they most likely had originated in Southern Idaho and trekked northward to bring their mini jihad statement here.
    So, short of mass coordinated deportation of all Muslims, which I’m personally not opposed to, we will have to deal with neutralizing the overtly bad actors and suppressing any jihad flames forevermore or until such an idea becomes anathema because the Islamified mass government schools and universities graduates decide to simply give up and convert and accept Sharia USA.

  67. SS: America needs to have full plans ahead of time to defend our country against more Camp of the Saints-style assaults…

    The plan is not to defend…

    NYT, 09/20/15 – U.S. Will Accept More Refugees as Crisis Grows

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/world/europe/us-to-increase-admission-of-refugees-to-100000-in-2017-kerry-says.html?_r=0

    The Obama administration will increase the number of worldwide refugees the United States accepts each year to 100,000 by 2017, a significant increase over the current annual cap of 70,000, Secretary of State John Kerry said Sunday…

    Four million Syrians have fled to other countries, and hundreds of thousands of others from the Middle East and Africa have been pouring into Europe. Mr. Kerry said the United States would explore ways to increase the overall limit of refugees beyond 100,000…“We still need to do more, and we understand that,” Mr. Kerry said…

    Under the new plan, the limit on annual refugee visas would be increased to 85,000 in 2016. The cap would then rise to 100,000 the following year.

  68. Resettle them in Puerto Rico. They can re-populate it.

    I think the precipitating event will be an earthquake. They’re well overdue for one . . .

    • Replies: @Jason Roberts
    @disambiguated

    Resettle them in Wellesley, Georgetown, Manhattam, and San Francisco. Start a kickstarter campaign to buy homes in those neighborhoods. Don't let them get away with profiting off their urban removal/renewal projects.

    Replies: @Boomstick

  69. The Aleutian Island Processing Center.

  70. 2 recommendations: Get in a war of words with certified non-genius Nick Maduro of Venezuela, asking him why everyone in central America would rather come to the USA than his much more conveniently located socialist “paradise”. Continue to antagonize him until he makes a major effort to take in the masses. This guy gave a chick a free apartment for throwing a mango at him. He’ll fall for it, or loose control of his own narrative. Either way, it will collapse that regime quicker, then they can go through a Colombia style correction to be productive US allies.

    And then move all artillery, aerial gunnery and bombardment, and armor training areas to the border. Then you have the very real, visceral possibility of getting shredded by some fire exercise, and also if you do enter, the repercussions for trespassing on a military base are obviously much higher.

  71. @anon
    There should be emphasis that it's minorities who are at risk of genocide that should rightfully have first priority as refugees. This will mean ethnic groups that are not Sunni Muslim and Christians will be favored, limiting numbers and increasing quality. Also many Sunni Muslims will try to convert to Christianity to get in, and the religious authorities back home will be humiliated and try to discourage Muslims from migrating.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Escher

    I guess you haven’t heard of the Koranically sanctioned practice of ‘Taqiyya’ where a Muslim is allowed to lie and even (outwardly) betray his religion in order to get close to his enemy.

    • Agree: Retired
  72. As the New York Times comments section shows, it’s not as if the migrants have pulled off some Machiavellian performance to overcome the West’s psychological defenses.

    The migrants aren’t forcing Germany tp pretend that it simply HAS to take in 800000 refugees to show its humanity. The migrants aren’t forcing the U.S. to pretend that it can only take in a small fraction of that per year because, you know, we have to do all these background checks. Even though we just let in far greater numbers who showed up at the Southern border just last year.

    The migrants seem to be in the same position as the Serbs — they’re just trying to figure out what roles are assigned to them by the Masters of the Universe and trying to play it as best they can. This current “crisis” was triggered by Germany putting out an audition cal for the role of Syrian refugee, unlimited spots available until further notice.

  73. With modern technology, the Atlantic is not a very formidable barrier.

    The U.S.A. has already received African boat people.

    If Africans can’t head across the Mediterranean to Europe, they may instead head across the Atlantic to America. With modern GPS navigational aids, it’s not that hard. They’ll need a better quality of boat, and a lot more food and water, but those shouldn’t be insuperable problems.

    Far-fetched, you say? Couldn’t possibly happen, you say? Brothers and sisters: it’s already happened.

    From the Independent, a London broadsheet newspaper; Saturday, February 3rd, 2007. Quote:

    Fourteen men who were trying to journey by a British-registered catamaran from Senegal in West Africa to New York, where they dreamed of finding jobs and new lives, have been rescued from an Atlantic storm after drifting for days with broken sails and a stalled engine.

    [From Radio Derb, 4/25/15.]

  74. The flaw in the Australian plan is that as the refugees pile up in Burma and Indonesia they may make a flash mob type dash to Australia on mass instead of a few at a time. Sort of like the convoy system to defeat German U Boats. Once that happens they will make it to Australia.

    And there might not be enough concentration camps to hold them forever. From what I can see Israel is being forced to let their Africans infiltrators out, while they import 20,000 Chinese construction workers to build homes for Israeli Torah scholars. My guess is the Chinese construction workers will turn out not to be temporary. Frankly finding a good contractor is tuff especially for small jobs in out of the way places like Israel.

    • Replies: @Big Bill
    @george


    And there might not be enough concentration camps to hold them forever. From what I can see Israel is being forced to let their Africans infiltrators out, while they import 20,000 Chinese construction workers to build homes for Israeli Torah scholars.
     
    That broke my heart when I read it last week. I do hope that Netanyahu manages to corral them again.

    Perhaps make criminal activity while a non-citizen to be an immediately deportable offense like Mexico does.

    Heck, do like the Mexico does and immediately gather up and expel any foreigner who politically demonstrates. Who says Mexicans cannot be a Light unto the Nations, too?
  75. iSteveFan says:

    I’m interested in hearing from readers are suggestions for how to stymie mass migration assaults before they get up a head of steam.

    Isn’t this about thirty years too late? If I am not mistaken the USA has already been been subjected to a mass migration assault that is 30-plus years old. And we continue to take in well over 1 million per year with no end in sight.

    Any plans people come up with on how to stop this should also include the necessary arrangements and funding for repatriating the lion’s share of the ones who have already gained entry. Maybe we should tie foreign aid to how many migrants a nation takes from the USA to resettle. We should gut a good chunk of our defense budget and redirect those funds to such a plan. In the long run that would do more good for our national security than more F-35s or aircraft carriers.

  76. Vote for politicians who will build a fence and a visa monitoring system. Also enforce e verify.

  77. The system understands only one language – violence. The rioters of Ferguson were correct and their critics are victims. If you meekly allow yourselves to be robbed, well then you’re going to be robbed. This is the iron way of the world and always has been. Modern justice and democracy are shams that conceal that reality. Any white who doesn’t regard liberals in the same way that inmates in Nazi Germany or Stalinist Russia regarded their camp guards is a cuck.

  78. Since slavery is out fashion nowadays, give them the choice of indentured servitude – – if they won’t support themselves – – or being sent home. Either that or take a clue from the African pirates and sink their boats.

  79. @Doug
    @rvg

    Being white in Hong Kong is a way better deal than being white in Zimbabwe.

    Replies: @rvg, @Jon

    Being white in Hong Kong is a way better deal than being white in Zimbabwe.

    Having been a member of the white minority in situations very similar to both of the above scenarios, I can confirm that this is absolutely the truth.

  80. Just send them the latest from Black Lives Matter, La Raza, CAIR etc. on how horrible things are for nonwhites in the USA. Hell, if things were as unjust as they say, I’d leave myself , and my people have been here since 1720.

  81. There’s nothing “subtle” about Camp of the Saints flash mobs, so the prophylactic against them cannot be subtle, so it must be absolute: Zero Tolerance. What’s needed is a fifty years long total ban on all immigration.

    Bear in mind that no disincentive can work until the sacred cow of Multiculturalism-Diversity as the All-Highest Good will have been exposed, slain, butchered, and incinerated to ashes.

  82. If there were an earthquake, some sort of natural disaster, or even a financial crisis to the south of the USA, the American government would force us to take in millions of people. In the future, nobody will stay in their country– governments won’t plan for disasters because citizens will be expected to just leave the scene. From now on, disasters will be followed by a massive game of musical chairs and the only thing for US citizens to do is join in. In other words, in face of a migrant invasion, the only thing to do is move to Canada.

  83. The U.S.A. has already received African boat people.

    Kon Leaki?

  84. @rvg
    @Doug

    So you are OK with whites being replaced as long as it is with Asians?

    Replies: @bomag, @AndrewR, @Harry Baldwin

    Why not just come out and make your point without playing a low-IQ version of Socrates?

    • Replies: @Sunbeam
    @Harry Baldwin

    "So you are OK with whites being replaced as long as it is with Asians?"

    His point is perfectly understandable. I'm not too sure he could have made it any clearer.

    If more words helps I can supply them.

    "So you are OK with whites being replaced"

    Uhhh, well this is pretty short. I guess it means "So you are OK with whites being replaced." I guess to be really clear we should say "in the United States." Or do we need to go all Clinton and parse out what "replaced" means?

    "as long as it is with Asians?"

    I guess this means "Asians." Well to be really clear we don't pay much attention to Filipinos, Cambodians, or Hmong Tribesmen on this site. Or the other groups that technically are Asian like ... crap Mongols? Gurkhas? Tibetans? Those muslims in the West of China? Any number of vaguely Eskimo tribemen from Siberia?

    No, he means Koreans/Japanese/Chinese, the high IQ asians. Though Japanese don't have much reason to come here anymore, and the Koreans only a little more. So that means Chinese.

    Hope this helps.

    Replies: @Jefferson

  85. If you establish a reputation as a country that doesn’t tolerate illegal immigration and scrupulously deports illegal migrants in addition to paying them no benefits, no one will come.

    Look at Europe – Switzerland has double the wages of Germany but where are the refugee hordes on the Swiss border? The Swiss will take some asylum seekers from Syria but a relatively much smaller number than Germany and after careful checks through the normal legal process. Any migrants showing up at the door illegally will almost certainly be instantly disqualified by the Swiss Government.

    This comes down to two things: (1) willingness and a resolve to enforce national borders; and (2) a reputation for (1). Right now, America fails miserably on both counts.

  86. @Alfa158
    1. Make refugee admissions count against a fixed allotment of slots for regular immigrants. If say, 200K refugees are taken in a year, that reduces by the same number the slots for H1 visas, family reunification, visa lottery, etc., admissions.
    2. Steve's idea of warehousing them somewhere like Honduras. Further refinement, refugees in the camps cannot be processed for US admission until they can produce proof of identity and country of origin so they can't pull the throw away their documents stunt.
    3. If applicants are denied refugee status and their home country refuses to accept them back, stop issuing any visas for that country. Even the elites who don't want to emigrate here will hate the idea of not being able to send their kids to school in the US, or make the occasional luxury shopping spree trip.
    4. Since the migrants are using social media to communicate where the soft spots are, publicize the measures heavily on these media so that migrants can see video of migrants NOT getting to the promised land.
    Of course these are all Step 2 measures. As Wilkey pointed out, they won't happen unless we figure out some way to incentivize the powers that be to first want to stop refugees. At the moment they are all for it so no measure we propose here will fly.
    There are some good ideas such as a universal tax fromWilkey, or something similar such as the cost being directly cut from all government department budgets across the board. Maybe we need Trump to issue proposals for stopping the migrant flow to start building public support. Most people hate these invasions but they need someone to articulate how to stop them, and be the standard bearer around whom the political will can mobilize.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    These are good ideas, especially this one:
    Make refugee admissions count against a fixed allotment of slots for regular immigrants. If say, 200K refugees are taken in a year, that reduces by the same number the slots for H1 visas, family reunification, visa lottery, etc., admissions.

    It makes perfect sense. Maybe Trump can run with it.

  87. Note to Ron Unz… Derb’s blockquote messed up the HTML formatting.

  88. @john marzan
    you gotta be jealous of canada. they have a "natural buffer zone" against the invading hordes (called the USA) and their immigration system attracts the right kinds of people while making it extremely hard for undesirables to immigrate.

    http://globalnation.inquirer.net/88693/new-report-says-immigrants-fiscally-burden-canada

    Replies: @Another Canadian, @Taysse, @Bernie

    The article you link to says immigrants are a net drain, not an economic boon. European Canadians (aka whites) are already a visible minority in two of Canada’s biggest cities, TO and Hongcouver. BC now stands for Becoming Chinese. There’s a prof at UBC who teaches that English is a white supremacist language and that the Chinese are one of the nation’s founding people. Prime Minister Harper was hauled off to the woodshed the other day for using the expression “old stock” in some totally innocuous statement. We’re in the middle of an election and all parties are falling over each other to bring in as many of these new migrants as possible. Etc., etc. Believe me, you have nothing to be jealous of.

  89. @john marzan
    you gotta be jealous of canada. they have a "natural buffer zone" against the invading hordes (called the USA) and their immigration system attracts the right kinds of people while making it extremely hard for undesirables to immigrate.

    http://globalnation.inquirer.net/88693/new-report-says-immigrants-fiscally-burden-canada

    Replies: @Another Canadian, @Taysse, @Bernie

    Very true, though they do take in a fair amount of undesirable refugees (see the Haitian communities in Montreal and Toronto).

  90. @Harry Baldwin
    @rvg

    Why not just come out and make your point without playing a low-IQ version of Socrates?

    Replies: @Sunbeam

    “So you are OK with whites being replaced as long as it is with Asians?”

    His point is perfectly understandable. I’m not too sure he could have made it any clearer.

    If more words helps I can supply them.

    “So you are OK with whites being replaced”

    Uhhh, well this is pretty short. I guess it means “So you are OK with whites being replaced.” I guess to be really clear we should say “in the United States.” Or do we need to go all Clinton and parse out what “replaced” means?

    “as long as it is with Asians?”

    I guess this means “Asians.” Well to be really clear we don’t pay much attention to Filipinos, Cambodians, or Hmong Tribesmen on this site. Or the other groups that technically are Asian like … crap Mongols? Gurkhas? Tibetans? Those muslims in the West of China? Any number of vaguely Eskimo tribemen from Siberia?

    No, he means Koreans/Japanese/Chinese, the high IQ asians. Though Japanese don’t have much reason to come here anymore, and the Koreans only a little more. So that means Chinese.

    Hope this helps.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Sunbeam

    "I guess this means “Asians.” Well to be really clear we don’t pay much attention to Filipinos, Cambodians, or Hmong Tribesmen on this site."

    I don't know why so many people here on The Unz keep comparing Filipinos in the U.S to Hmongs. Filipinos in the U.S do not commit a lot of violent crimes. Most people in The Unz most likely live in areas where there are no Filipinos or extremely few of them.

    Daly City, California for example has the highest percentage of Filipinos in the U.S. I don't know of any White Bay Area resident who is afraid to step foot in Daly City and see it as a no go zone area for Whites where Filipino thugs are just waiting to rape White women and rob and murder White men.

    As a White guy I go to Daly City all of the time and I have never felt afraid there. No Filipino person there has ever given me any trouble.

    Daly City has a lower per capita murder rate than the national average. In the years 2012 and 2013 Daly City had no homicides at all.
    http://www.city-data.com/city/Daly-City-California.html

    If you are a White person who is afraid to step foot in Daly City because of it's large Filipino population than you are the biggest pussy on the planet.

    Daly City can not even compete with Denver when it comes to per capita murder rate, let alone compete with Detroit.

    Replies: @Sunbeam

  91. It seems, Steve, that the answer must be extremely subtle to work absent a major change in national will. (That is, the solution must be so subtle that some well placed, patriotic bureaucrat can enact the solution without the state becoming aware.) The last three administrations, along with the hordes of irregulars like the Raza people, will know the salutary effect of a subtle social media campaign. They will then shut off the campaign.

    So how about a non-subtle answer? It’s the same answer many German and other European peoples have selected: ignore the official channels and instead vocally let the hordes know they won’t be welcome among the people. Stage massive protests and refuse to participate in PC. (You’ve been doing this under your own name for 20 years, but very few have joined.)

    The thing that may kill this all, instead of elite intervention, is the death of PC. Trump is an early American version of this, and there’s an analog ready to step up in most European countries (Geert Wilders, Jean (less so Marie) Le Pen, et cetera).

    The internet will kill PC, it’s just taken 10 to 15 years longer than many of us were optimistically hoping.

  92. @Steve Sailer
    @Bill B.

    The U.S. has a 12 square mile Air Force Base in Honduras.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soto_Cano_Air_Base

    That seems like it could be a useful asset come the next Camp of the Saints like the 2014 "unaccompanied minors" rush for the border: when Central American asylum seekers show up at the U.S. border, you just fly them down to a tent city set up on the USAF base in Honduras. They can have a cot and 3 hots per day until their cases are decided.

    Instantly sending them back to Central America would convey the image of futility.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @rod1963, @TenD, @dsgntd_plyr

    Steve is ever the optimist.

    But don’t worry it will be business as usual. With the GOP solidly in the hands of the Chambers of Commerce and Wall Street, the welcome mat will be kept wide open, assuming a Jeb or Rubio wins.

    If Biden wins, he’ll do what his mega-donors tell him to do – keep the borders open.

    If Trump wins, it’s a different story. we might have a chance of surviving as a country, for a few more years.

    The thing is our political, intellectual and monied classes want open borders and unlimited immigration. They are just like Merkel and her gang of suicidal maniacs They have no use for whites, they really don’t.

    The only question that I’m concerned with at this point, is what will be the straw that breaks the camel’s back and things go pear shaped.

  93. @rvg
    @Foreign Expert

    Nice evasive maneuver. How do you define the word American?

    Replies: @bomag, @AndrewR, @D. K., @Chris Mallory

    An American is a citizen of the United States of America. It is not an arcane designation that needs to be debated by philosophers or ethicists.

  94. Lets be realistic, there are severe political constraints: female tingles, status mongering, feelz, cheap labor, cheap votes, etc. BUT there are things that can be done guerilla style. Fast, Cheap, Out of Control (to quote the movie title documentary by Errol Morris about AIP).

    *Start rumors on social media that all new arrivals MUST be vaccinated.
    *Say on social media said vaccines make men gay and effeminate and impotent.
    *Say on social media that said vaccines make women fat and with lots of facial hair.
    *Start rumors that the IRS will be seizing up to 95% of remittances.
    *Start rumors that welfare IS available, but requires work on road crews and cleaning public restrooms.

    The idea is to propagate cheaply and under the radar that the US is NOT the place to come; that vaccines are a “plot” to make immigrants gay, impotent, hairy (for women) and fat. That the money will be taken away (bonus points if it funds Jewish Synagoges since every Muslim would be certain to believe the rumor) and that coming to America means cleaning toilets and working on hot roads with boiling tar.

    I suppose you could also say that the vaccines are made with pigs blood. You could also start rumors that CHINA is paying people to come, or North Korea, or Russia. Never underestimate the stupidity and gullibility of the Third World.

    There is a lot of fun to be had here people.

    • Replies: @Anonyman
    @Whiskey

    Great thoughts Whisky! American Hasbara. Who will organise this?

  95. @Bill B.
    I think this Australian idea of paying Cambodia to take boat people a superb idea. Win-win.

    If the boaters are that desperate they should be happy, Cambodia makes money. Would be migrants get sent a terrific message.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/06/refugees-arrive-cambodia-australian-detention-150604034143401.html

    This is absolutely what Europe should do. Push them back into holding area in North Africa. It would be expensive but less than the total future costs of taking them in. Of course it has to be done with panache.

    Bribery is an under appreciated force for good in world affairs; carefully done. If the price is right some country would act as a holding cum education centre south of the US border. What about paying Mexico to send them there before they reach the border? Combine this with a watered down Marshall program for propaganda affect.

    (Of course everywhere in the West are Open Borders crowds that jam sensible solutions but who don't seem to have as much traction in Oz.)

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Big Bill

    Hell, this is a great solution for Mexican criminals, too. Set up prisons in Mexico for any criminal holding a Mexican passport or a Mexican Matricula consulaire card. They ARE Mexican citizens, after all. Think of it as a Tijuana Abu Graib, only run by Mexicans.

  96. @jtgw
    If I had to think of a good deterrent to immigrant flash mobs, without excluding genuine refugees who need asylum, it would be to announce that migrants are welcome, but they will not qualify for any welfare benefits.

    Replies: @Kylie

    If I had to think of a good deterrent to immigrant flash mobs, without excluding genuine refugees who need asylum, it would be to announce that migrants are welcome, but they will not qualify for any welfare benefits.

    Won’t work. Once you convey the idea that any migrants are welcome based on need, you open the door to flagrant abuse as “genuine” and “need” will be redefined to the benefit of the flash mobs you want to exclude. Instead it should be genuine asylum seekers will be tolerated, all others will be turned away.

    Which leads to my subtle suggestion. Americans need to stop being so damn welcoming and friendly to migrants. Some few will genuinely appreciate it and respond in kind. Most will regard it as what it is–a kindness that so readily shades off into weakness. Just altering one’s demeanor, smiling less often and less widely, making less effort to understand mangled English, making no effort to understand any other language–these all have a cooling effect on foreigners. Even the illiterate ones have gotten the memo–Americans are suckers. No need to be rude but any glad-handing should be avoided. NAMS are especially thin-skinned. They also tend to be bullies and you can almost always bully a bully. Formal and not friendly tends to cause them to back away, if not down completely. Migrants who don’t feel welcome are far less likely to tell their families back home to “Come on in, the water’s fine!”

    I base these suggestions on my years spent interacting daily with foreigners from all over the world while living in a college town.

    Any mangled English in my comments is the result of being temporarily legally blind. I’m not as good at touch typing as I thought.

    • Replies: @BubbaJoe
    @Kylie

    I agree, to a point. First, many already receive charity from religious organizations, and this charity is substantial. A blanket denial of benefits will only see this grow. Direct welfare could be turned off, but indirect welfare (often through govt. funding) could easily make up the difference.
    Second, and most importantly imo, is the level of poverty we are willing to tolerate in our communities. The West is a nice place precisely because we don't allow abject misery to clog our streets. When a drunk passes out, the fire dept. is called, medical care is given, etc. All of that costs exhorbitant amounts of money. Seattle spends millions per year on aiding ~200 indigents. Imagine seeing a group of children begging for food in your neighborhood- what would you do? Call social services, provide help yourself. What we won't do is simply ignore them. We're not Brazil. We're not going to send in crack police teams to execute kids. No, once they're here we'll have to take care of them one way or another. That does make us suckers, but is that going to change? Being a sucker is part of the reason the West is a nice place to live. When we see trash on the ground, we pick it up. From the perspective of much of the world, that makes us suckers. It also makes are communities nice and clean. I think a good idear, a tad subtler than mines on the border, is pushing home how much further our help can go if they stay where they are. The cost of food, education, and medical help for 10,000 kids in Honduras will be much, much cheaper than if they were in LA. But foremost we cannot let them in to begin with.

    Replies: @jtgw

    , @jtgw
    @Kylie

    I guess it shows the pervasiveness of welfarism that accepting refugees is automatically assumed to mean providing them all with food and shelter at taxpayers' expense. That's not what I'm proposing. I'm simply saying refugees should get a chance to come here and make a living for themselves, but they shouldn't expense to see a single dime from our treasury.

  97. Interesting… It looks like Steve is consulting for a candidate. I hope he is working for the right one! (I remember Steve’s immigration slogan survey here a few months ago. Interesting…)

    1. Elect Trump. In the meantime, make it clear to the world that you support Trump. He is hard line, everyone knows it, and he can move the Overton Window.

    2. As others have suggested, set a concrete limit on the total number of immigrants that will be allowed into the US per year. Make it known that “migrants” and “refugees” will count as part of that number, thus reducing visas and opportunities for everyone else’s favorite race or interest group.

    3. Also as others have suggested, establish one finite budget for assistance to both migrants and Americans. Make it clear to everyone that migrants will be taking from this budget, thus reducing benefits for every other moocher here.

    I can imagine points 2 and 3 as parts of a Trump position statement on his website.

    4. Set up a processing area somewhere like northern Alaska. It’s cold up there, and all these scumbags who want to invade European Man’s living space come from warm latitudes (big surprise). Let the world and social media know that we have this place ready, and that everyone will be stuck there for a long time while we inefficiently clear them.

    5. Make sure they know that a lot of them will be permanently located up there somewhere, where we can say they will have the opportunity to work and make their homes — in northern Alaska, or North Dakota, or the most remote areas of Wyoming (cold and windy.)

    6. (Most subtle and tricky of all) subversively facilitate a healthy dislike for the migrant group and it’s ethnicities. I somehow believe smarter people than me can find ways of making this happen. Make it agitprop or psyop or something. It is perfectly okay not to like people. Let’s start now. Get your Hollywood friends to make them villians in movies and TV shows. Produce Borat 2 and make him a terrorist.

    7. Publicize images of the mass of “migrants” as they truly are: aggressive mobs of men. STOP PUTTING BABY PICTURES ON EVERY STORY.

    • Replies: @wren
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Which candidate said this recently?

    "We have to build a wall, folks. We have to build a wall and a wall works. All you have to do is go to Israel and say how is your wall working?"

    As far as I know, there is only one pundit who has been making that point for a while.

  98. Elect a president committed to stopping illegals and denying citizenship to illegals already here.
    Replace Boehner and McConnell.
    Moratorium on all student and permanent visas until we can get a tracking system. a few exceptions for asylum, in the 1,000’s.
    Severe reductions in business and tourist visas, particularly from Asia and the sandbox.
    Rethink the “buy a green card” program.
    End chain migration.

  99. Revive colonialism.

    The wreched refuse teeming on foreign shores yearning to breathe under the command of white supremacy can do so at home if we partner with a few megacorps east-india-company style.

    It’s a win-win.

    Apple can set up ipod plantations in crappy places, and kickback enough to maintain the colonial government and then some. Americans get cheap phones and homogeneity, apple gets cheap labor, foreign hordes get stability and white supremacy without having to risk being their cell phone running out of charge in Hungary.

  100. I went to boot camp in MCRD Parris Island. And after boot camp we would trade stories and debate which was harder, Parris Island or San Diego. And frankly I don’t care what those SD Marines say, I am sure their little California boot camp was lying around swimming pools wearing sunglasses and getting tans. Real Marine boot camp went on at the PI.

    Parris Island was an island with its sole entry being a long causeway on which there was a Guard Station. The first day they showed us images of people that had tried to swim off it. “Don’t eeeeven think about it, Privates.” So we didn’t.

    There was one entertaining story about one sort of “not all there” private (think of an actual Gomer Pyle sort, accent and all) who was annoyed they didn’t sell his brand of cigarettes in the small concession that recruits were allowed to purchase things. They only sold the few major brands of the day, Winston, Malboro, Kool, Salem.

    So at night, after lights out, he walked right off the island, right down the causeway and past the guard shack. Then he would buy his Old Golds at the first store, then turn around and walk right back on. The guards were busy dealing with cars and never assumed a recruit would just walk off the base and would be even less likely, after getting off, to just walk right back on.

    On the trip back, he actually crossed the street and went over to the guard shack and asked the guard for a light. He was that oblivious and stupid. Recruits are quite obvious by haircut and uniform. The guard was stunned almost to the point of laughter and called the other guard over and said “This guy needs a light.”

    The two MPs stared at the guy for a minute, unbelieving, and one said, “So private, let me get this straight. You just walked off of Parris Island, bought a carton of cigarettes, and now you are on your way back?”

    And our Gomer Pyle said, “Yes sir”.

    I mean nobody got off Parris Island and this guy was trying to get back on after getting off.

    And the guard lit his cigarette for him and said, “Carry on, Private. Watch for cars on the causeway. ” And let him go.

    San Diego, on the other hand, only had a fairly normal fence around it, the same sort you might see around a lot of places, chain link with a couple of strands of barb wire at the top. Attempted escapes happened more frequently. The SD Marines said there was a $250 reward in San Diego for turning in runaway recruits and the locals, or as the rumor goes, bums, provided the system of vigilance. I hear it worked pretty well.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    @Mark Minter

    Not really sure what the jab at MCRD SD is all about. I went there in the early '70's, and so did my father, in early '42. When I went there the fence ran along the runways of the airport in one direction, alongside a USN bootcamp in another direction, and the rest of it you would have had to cross a heavily policed grinder (parade ground.) I don't think anyone wanted to escape but I know that only about 50% of my platoon graduated from the original group (not necessarily washed out, there were various subcamps for prospective Marines who were too fat, too skinny, too dumb, or not motivated enough.)

    As I recall the first phase was about 6 weeks, then a week of kitchen duty, then a week at the rifle range at Camp Pendleton, then a week of Infantry Training at San Onofre (also at Camp Pendleton) then we came back and got to put an eagle, globe, and anchor on our utility shirts. Then another 4-5 weeks to graduation, altogether 13 weeks.

    You were lucky to get one cigarette a day when the smoking lamp was lit, in formation, and at a semi-rigid parade rest. A bit more relaxed -- maybe 2 -- by the time you got towards graduation, but not more than that. Interesting to hear other comparisons.

    Anyway, SD was the preferred boot camp for West Coast Marines; it was just a geographical thing. I believe boot camp in the early 20th C. was at Mare Island, by Vallejo, but it's been awhile since I read up on that. Semper Fi.

    Replies: @jarhead

  101. John Derbyshire: “They’ll need a better quality of boat, and a lot more food and water, but those shouldn’t be insuperable problems.”

    We tend to think of smugglers’ boats as traveling very short distances – many of the rescues in the Mediterranean are only just miles outside of Libyan waters.

    But many of the boats which went to Australia traveled quite far – it’s 6,800 km from Sri Lanka to Australia. Meanwhile the Tamil “refugees” on these boats were less than 100 miles from the Indian state of Tamil Nadu, a relatively prosperous state that is home to about 70 million of their co-ethnics. If I’m not mistaken, a few of the Sri Lankan boats made it all the way to Vancouver, Canada.

    The two bigger problems are that smugglers don’t want to invest in decent boats capable of making long journeys, because the boats get seized; and that smugglers overload the boats well beyond capacity in order to maximize their profit, so they never make it very far. Ain’t unregulated capitalism just grand?

    Anyway, using the Africa-to-Europe model as precedent, the smugglers won’t actually have to get anywhere near American shores in order to succeed. All they have to do is stuff a boat in Lagos to ten times capacity, point it in the general direction of America, get about 10 feet outside of Nigerian waters, and send a distress signal to the American Navy. The U.S. Navy will then be more than happy to carry them the remaining ~9,400 km. If you don’t think Obama and Boehner will oblige them then you haven’t been paying attention.

  102. @Luke Lea
    Electing Trump next fall seems to be the only viable solution in the shortish run. Nothing subtle about it though.

    A biometric national ID to be used for all financial transactions would remove the incentive for economic migrants.

    Large camps inside the Mexican border -- we will pay but they furnish the land -- is another idea, since Mexico could stop the flow over the border if they wanted to (again requires a Trumpian-style negotiation), with uber-style Mexican busses for repatriation. If they refuse cut off all trade.

    As for those coming by sea and air, how about if we work out a plan with Haiti -- it needs the money desperately and no migrant in his right mind would want to go there (though it might supply that country with a lot of much-needed human capital, especially those from China).

    Replies: @Big bill

    Tag ’em all with an encrypted RFID tag. Don’t skin pop it under the skin on their shoulders, but deep in their body cavity.

    When they sneak over the border, bag ’em and tag ’em.

  103. @Anonymous
    You guys are jerks

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @bomag

    You guys are jerks

    Thanks, that really made my day.

  104. @Clyde
    @Wilkey


    Either way, Australia’s legal immigration policies are already quite insane before you even begin to count potential boat people.
     
    What I hear is Australia is becoming Asian very fast via legal immigration. Asians from India, China, Burma, Thailand, Vietnam, every place in Asia but not as many from Muslim nations such as Afghanistan. Most have to pass skills tests? English proficiency? The best thing than can be said is that Australia is allowing in educated Asians while we are the dumping ground for Mexico, Central America and the 3rd world.

    I read some Australian propaganda that they must allow in so many Asians to keep ahead technologically. A very high number of Chinese go to university there (similar to the American situation) and how many will return home?

    Replies: @Wilkey, @dfordoom

    “The best thing than can be said is that Australia is allowing in educated Asians while we are the dumping ground for Mexico, Central America and the 3rd world.”

    Another advantage to Asian immigration: Asians don’t breed as prolifically as Hispanics and Muslims. Import Hispanics and Muslims and you are importing people who will rapidly outbreed the natives. Polynesians are quite fecund, as well, and AU and NZ are importing plenty of those.

  105. @rvg
    Does Steve care about whites becoming a minority if the culprit is not Muslims, blacks, or Mexicans?

    Replies: @Foreign Expert, @AndrewR, @Doug, @Sean

    Does Steve care about whites becoming a minority if the culprit is not Muslims, blacks, or Mexicans?

    The alternative is not daring to care, because they happen to be Muslims, blacks, or Mexicans?

  106. @Wilkey
    "What Plans Should America Have in Place to Stymie a Camp of the Saints Here?"

    Here's a suggestion which could help solve both the immigration problem and the budget deficit. Currently many if not most of our welfare programs are treated as entitlements. That means that if the number of food stamp recipients double, then so does the amount the government spends on food stamps. Welfare programs are treated like a supposedly bottomless pit of money.

    Instead, we should budget a specific amount of money for welfare benefits. If the number of people who qualify for a program goes up, then the value of the benefit for each family or individual goes down. That will incentivize poor voters to want to keep large numbers of other poor people from entering the country.

    Another option would be to create a separate income tax for welfare (and perhaps for every government department). Have it apply to every last penny of income, including capital gains, with no deductions. When the number of people using welfare goes up, so do everyone's taxes. When the value of welfare benefits go up, so do everyone's taxes.

    Our current income tax system is far too opaque, and effectively hides the cost of individual government programs from the taxpayers.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Lot, @BigGaySteve, @Name Withheld

    The Swiss have a pay as you go system. The cost for a refugee family of 8 is around $60,000USD a month. Keep in mind AIDS drugs alone cost $2,000-$5,000 a month per person. Estimates saying each illegal will cost over 1/2 million to taxpayers over their lifetime ignores costs the govt wont release.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2758055/Outraged-Swiss-village-1-000-residents-forced-raise-taxes-African-refugee-mother-seven-moves-costs-40-000-month-benefits.html

  107. @Whiskey
    Lets be realistic, there are severe political constraints: female tingles, status mongering, feelz, cheap labor, cheap votes, etc. BUT there are things that can be done guerilla style. Fast, Cheap, Out of Control (to quote the movie title documentary by Errol Morris about AIP).

    *Start rumors on social media that all new arrivals MUST be vaccinated.
    *Say on social media said vaccines make men gay and effeminate and impotent.
    *Say on social media that said vaccines make women fat and with lots of facial hair.
    *Start rumors that the IRS will be seizing up to 95% of remittances.
    *Start rumors that welfare IS available, but requires work on road crews and cleaning public restrooms.

    The idea is to propagate cheaply and under the radar that the US is NOT the place to come; that vaccines are a "plot" to make immigrants gay, impotent, hairy (for women) and fat. That the money will be taken away (bonus points if it funds Jewish Synagoges since every Muslim would be certain to believe the rumor) and that coming to America means cleaning toilets and working on hot roads with boiling tar.

    I suppose you could also say that the vaccines are made with pigs blood. You could also start rumors that CHINA is paying people to come, or North Korea, or Russia. Never underestimate the stupidity and gullibility of the Third World.

    There is a lot of fun to be had here people.

    Replies: @Anonyman

    Great thoughts Whisky! American Hasbara. Who will organise this?

  108. US immigration is a case of “the tragedy of the commons”.

    The right to live in the US is valuable but no one (who has any power) has a strong incentive to protect the that value: same as in the parable of the farmers who let their cattle overgraze the village commons.

    So here’s the plan. The government decides how many immigrants we let in per year. Then, just as the Department of the Interior auctions off mineral rights on government land, the government auctions off, to private companies, the right to bring in immigrants. What happens then?

    OK, let’s say Sheldon Adelson is the high bidder this year: he bid $100 billion (payable in installments since that’s a lot of money even for him) for the right to bring in a million immigrants. At this point, he starts charging what the market can bear, hoping to maximize his profit. He’ll beat the bushes for the richest Chinese immigrants, and when he runs out of them he’ll go to the next best thing — maybe Indian engineers, the scions of wealthy Mexican families, superstar engineers for his buddy Mark Zuckerberg, etc. What he will NOT tolerate is anyone sneaking in for free. And neither will the US government tolerate that, because the only way it’ll raise good money in next year’s auction is if bidders are confident that the only way into the US is through buying from them.

    A million immigrants, finally, really means a million, and not a million legal plus another million illegally. We could make it a hundred thousand, too, if we can, through the democratic process.

    Imagine the likes of Sheldon Adelson becoming fierce advocates of immigration enforcement!

  109. One of the biggest problems is the mission creep of increasingly well -heeled NGOs. Is there anything that can be done about this?

    The Hungarian government is apparently putting notices in Lebanese newspapers telling people not to come to Europe, but NGOs such as Doctors without Borders are running counter ads telling people they shouldn’t listen to them. Why the hell is a medical aid organisation getting involved in migration issues?

    Of course Amnesty International set the precedent several decades ago when it ceased being an organisation which opposed torture of political prisoners and became a pan left-liberal multi-natonal that promotes everything from open borders to feminism and gay rights.

  110. @Buzz Baldrin
    Israel has developed techniques to repel a Camp of the Saints invasion.

    Unfortunately, workable methods aren't America's problem, its politics are.

    Among the worse political problems is California's electoral and congressional votes, which drive America's elections and immigration policies.

    A longshot mandate for Donald Trump's immigration proposal in the 2016 presidential and congressional elections would offer the new government a chance to adopt the Israeli solution for the short term.

    For the long run, however, the problem remains the growing Mexican population in the Southwest, which patriotic politicians can only peacefully detach from the United States by renegotiating the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo.

    The renegotiated treaty would return the "stolen lands" and Texas (minus the military bases) to Mexico. The land transfer would take effect as soon as two million illegals living in other parts of the United States moved to Mexico, Texas, Arizona, California or New Mexico.

    Liberals might support the plan out of white guilt.

    Illegals might support the proposal at the insistence of Carlos Slim, drug cartel kingpins, and other influential Mexican thieves enticed by favorable business terms in the deal.

    Rid of the Reconquista in the "stolen lands," traditional Americans would have a second chance to rekindle Western Civilization. Unfortunately, there are no guarantees.

    Replies: @bomag

    …renegotiating the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo.

    Wrong idea. They would be back for the rest in short order.

    We should militarily occupy the northern Mexican provinces and cut all ties and trade with that evil entity. Then we will have a militarized border where we can fight endless skirmishes. Good for the economy.

    • Replies: @Buzz Baldrin
    @bomag

    Your strategy would work well if your guy was in the White House instead of Mexifornia's Coyote in Chief.

    But as long as the occupied states continue to elect open borders politicians, America's Southwest and Congress will remain conquered territory while Obama overruns the remaining states with illegals, refugees, and job thieves.

    , @Anonym
    @bomag

    It would be best to push them down past a short defensible choke point, like the Coatzacoalcos River or the Panama canal.

  111. @Lot
    @Wilkey

    That's something Republicans have been proposing for a while. In the 90's they called this block grants and proposed this as a replacement for AFDC/TANF. As it turns out, this subterfuge wasn't needed, the public supported cuts to both eligibility, amounts, and time allowed for traditional welfare. However, it may also have backfired as "welfare mothers" figured out it was better for them to get themselves and their kids of disability, which pays about twice as much as welfare ever did.

    The wave of GOP governors in the 90's and 00's, then the economic collapse in 2008, led to the states like that California than used local funds to make welfare more generous than federal requirements to eliminate or cut back their programs. California has something called "general assistance" that even able-bodied single men can get. But the program was cut back so much the amount is usually under $100/mo, and counties can get waivers where they use this money for homeless programs and pay nothing.

    As a variant of black grants, Paul Ryan's plan for Medicare is to turn it into a voucher for private insurance, the amount of which is not tied to actual medical costs, so in effect switches Medicare to a fixed amount of spending.

    Replies: @Wilkey

    Interesting, but it doesn’t seem to have helped much. I think that breaking welfare spending off with it’s own separate tax would be effective because in order to increase welfare spending you’d have to raise the tax rate, and that would be an effective impediment to increasing welfare benefits. If the welfare tax were 5% and Democrats wanted to increase welfare by 20% they’d have to raise everyone’s taxes by 1%. Nowadays all they do when they increase spending is raise the debt ceiling.

    Which leads to another decent alternative: balancing the budget. Any requirement that the federal government keep it’s budget balance is effectively a requirement to hold down spending on welfare, refugee resettlement, etc. – though it could also, of course, lead to less spending to secure the border.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @Wilkey

    Balanced budget rules are not optimal economic policy. When the economy turns down, the government has to cut spending or raise taxes, making the economy even weaker. The technical word for this is pro-cyclical, as in it makes the business cycle worse.

    I am not quite at the point where I think the USA is so screwed up we should adopt a bad policy for Machievellian reasons like Norquist's "Starve the Beast" plan and discard the lessons of technocratic economics. I am also not sure it would be helpful in the end.

    Balanced budget rules for the federal government is never going to happen anyway. If it is statute passed by congress, a spending law that violated would be an equal but more recent act of congress and effectively repeal it. And it would never get into the US Constitution.

    My personal favorite eugenic policies that are semi-realistic in the current political environment are:

    (1) eliminate the diversity lottery (literally random Africans with high fertility/chain migration risk), and replace the slots with an equal number of H1B's (low fertility Chinese and high-caste Indians with small families and low fertility)

    (2) make big cuts to HUD, and give Obama the choice of either accepting the cuts or letting just that part of government shut down.

    #1 was an actual GOP House proposal a couple years ago, and is great for dividing the Zucks from the La Razas.

    #2 is just a variant of the current really stupid GOP plan to defund Planned Parenthood, but better targeted since basically everything HUD does is bad, while HHS does a lot of good things like NIH and Medicare.

    Replies: @rvg

  112. @Anonymous
    You guys are jerks

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @bomag

    You guys are jerks

    And yet a third of the world wants to be my neighbor. Or, I should say, they want to live next to me while I support them.

  113. @Steve Sailer
    @Bill B.

    The U.S. has a 12 square mile Air Force Base in Honduras.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soto_Cano_Air_Base

    That seems like it could be a useful asset come the next Camp of the Saints like the 2014 "unaccompanied minors" rush for the border: when Central American asylum seekers show up at the U.S. border, you just fly them down to a tent city set up on the USAF base in Honduras. They can have a cot and 3 hots per day until their cases are decided.

    Instantly sending them back to Central America would convey the image of futility.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @rod1963, @TenD, @dsgntd_plyr

    I thought that’s what Guantanamo was for.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Bulkeley

    “In 1991, the camp was revived and drawn into the national spotlight due to a coup d’etat in Haiti causing a large scale exodus of people. The United States Coast Guard rescued persons in International Waters and brought them to the Naval Station for processing. Rescued persons were held in locations near Camp Bulkeley.”

    The ‘refugees’ need to become ‘rescuees’, and then they can be rescued to a remote base, **in some other country.** It’s been done before. Of course, what actually happened to all the rescuees? Did they end up here anyway?

    • Replies: @dsgntd_plyr
    @TenD


    Of course, what actually happened to all the rescuees? Did they end up here anyway?
     
    There's a Wiki:
    "Within six months the USA had interned over 30,000 Haitian refugees in Guantanamo, while another 30,000 fled to the Dominican Republic. Eventually the USA would admit 10,747 of the Haitians to refugee status in the United States."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haitian_refugees_held_at_the_Guantanamo_Bay_Naval_Base
  114. The problem is we do not have men such as General Campbell in positions of authority in our country. We have people such as the head of the CDC who last October at the height of the Ebola crisis said he refused to install a quarantine or prevent any travelers from hot spots in Liberia due to ” the historical debts we owed Liberia.”
    Any ideas or efforts to forestall mass mobs of immigrants will be stopped cold by those in power who see such mobs as righteous and in alignment with the virtuous and compassionate self image of those in power. To them, we who want to save our country are the problem, not the mobs.

    Until mass mobs of immigrants become a problem for those in power who are enabling and encouraging such mobs , and who actually have the power to forbid and halt such mobs, there is little we can do other than to try to regain the linguistic landscape such as people like Ann Coulter are doing. At this point we don’t even get to define the words being used, much less the real debate.
    There might be some ground to be won if our side did more videos of the harm the mobs are doing to citizens and publicized them vigorously. Rooms full of written words on abortion have had less effect on abortion and planned parenthood than the recent barbaric videos that are making millions of people change their mind about planned parenthood. If we took more videos of the harm from immigration such as what happened in Rothertham in the UK and spread them to more of the country it could help.
    I think we should start using the word anti American a lot more for our opponents and those in power who are enabling the mobs of immigration and make them defend themselves and take off their moral crowns which will shake their self image, and to become a lot more aggressive, demanding and unapologetic in our public discourse and join with others as we are millions. Our opponents have the money and power , the media and political parties and corporations and academia and religious hierarchy and billionaire open border globalists and even the labor unions, but we still are the people.

  115. @Mark Minter
    I went to boot camp in MCRD Parris Island. And after boot camp we would trade stories and debate which was harder, Parris Island or San Diego. And frankly I don't care what those SD Marines say, I am sure their little California boot camp was lying around swimming pools wearing sunglasses and getting tans. Real Marine boot camp went on at the PI.

    Parris Island was an island with its sole entry being a long causeway on which there was a Guard Station. The first day they showed us images of people that had tried to swim off it. "Don't eeeeven think about it, Privates." So we didn't.

    There was one entertaining story about one sort of "not all there" private (think of an actual Gomer Pyle sort, accent and all) who was annoyed they didn't sell his brand of cigarettes in the small concession that recruits were allowed to purchase things. They only sold the few major brands of the day, Winston, Malboro, Kool, Salem.

    So at night, after lights out, he walked right off the island, right down the causeway and past the guard shack. Then he would buy his Old Golds at the first store, then turn around and walk right back on. The guards were busy dealing with cars and never assumed a recruit would just walk off the base and would be even less likely, after getting off, to just walk right back on.

    On the trip back, he actually crossed the street and went over to the guard shack and asked the guard for a light. He was that oblivious and stupid. Recruits are quite obvious by haircut and uniform. The guard was stunned almost to the point of laughter and called the other guard over and said "This guy needs a light."

    The two MPs stared at the guy for a minute, unbelieving, and one said, "So private, let me get this straight. You just walked off of Parris Island, bought a carton of cigarettes, and now you are on your way back?"

    And our Gomer Pyle said, "Yes sir".

    I mean nobody got off Parris Island and this guy was trying to get back on after getting off.

    And the guard lit his cigarette for him and said, "Carry on, Private. Watch for cars on the causeway. " And let him go.

    San Diego, on the other hand, only had a fairly normal fence around it, the same sort you might see around a lot of places, chain link with a couple of strands of barb wire at the top. Attempted escapes happened more frequently. The SD Marines said there was a $250 reward in San Diego for turning in runaway recruits and the locals, or as the rumor goes, bums, provided the system of vigilance. I hear it worked pretty well.

    Replies: @SPMoore8

    Not really sure what the jab at MCRD SD is all about. I went there in the early ’70’s, and so did my father, in early ’42. When I went there the fence ran along the runways of the airport in one direction, alongside a USN bootcamp in another direction, and the rest of it you would have had to cross a heavily policed grinder (parade ground.) I don’t think anyone wanted to escape but I know that only about 50% of my platoon graduated from the original group (not necessarily washed out, there were various subcamps for prospective Marines who were too fat, too skinny, too dumb, or not motivated enough.)

    As I recall the first phase was about 6 weeks, then a week of kitchen duty, then a week at the rifle range at Camp Pendleton, then a week of Infantry Training at San Onofre (also at Camp Pendleton) then we came back and got to put an eagle, globe, and anchor on our utility shirts. Then another 4-5 weeks to graduation, altogether 13 weeks.

    You were lucky to get one cigarette a day when the smoking lamp was lit, in formation, and at a semi-rigid parade rest. A bit more relaxed — maybe 2 — by the time you got towards graduation, but not more than that. Interesting to hear other comparisons.

    Anyway, SD was the preferred boot camp for West Coast Marines; it was just a geographical thing. I believe boot camp in the early 20th C. was at Mare Island, by Vallejo, but it’s been awhile since I read up on that. Semper Fi.

    • Replies: @jarhead
    @SPMoore8

    I went through PI in 1976. Our platoon got two cigarettes during our entire time there and there wasn't any access on our part to anyplace that sold anything, much less cigarettes until the last day or two before graduation when they gave us a bit of base liberty.

    I was in 2d battalion. Each time, which was only twice for the duration, we lined up along the concrete laundry scrub tables between the squadbays (are these things still there, the barracks are still the same..). We stood at attention as a recruit walked up and down the table handing out cigarettes. There was some lighting command, then we had to hold the cigarette with our arm extended directly forward, cigarette vertical, and puff on command of the drill instructor.

    During this, a couple of recruits walked up and down the table with ash buckets for us. Woe betide the recruit careless enough to flick some ashes anywhere else.

    A lot of the usual random chanting in unison, and so forth. A whole lot of rigamarole for a cigarette, but boy was that worth it, I can still taste that.

    I don't know how other platoons fared, this stuff was at the discretion of the DI's, seemed like other platoons had way more cigarettes than us, probably because our SDI didn't smoke, didn't like us smoking. Again, a lot of discretion in those days, whether official or not. Our SDI also didn't like blanket parties, which was unique in our series of 4 platoons, the other three platoons were sort of running amok with this practice.

    Generally, when hearing USMC boot camp stories, especially older ones before they really clamped down on the DIs a few decades ago, one should understand that DIs in effect had a fair amount of discretion in their practices and the freedoms/torments of one platoon could differ markedly from another in the same time/recruit depot, even the platoon next door.

    And there is a lot of exaggeration as well.

  116. @Anonymous
    It appears that trump will fall to fiorina, who is Steves worst nightmare and can actually win the nomination, and so the h1b and cheap labor flood continges. How do you guys feel now?

    Replies: @e, @Jefferson

    Not according to today’s post debate #2 Zogby poll.

  117. @Anonymous
    What seems entirely lost in the debate about this crisis, is that the crisis is purely and simply a direct function of the 1951 Geneva Convention on refugees, which opens up signatory nations to the obligation of offering asylum to those seeking refuge on the grounds of persecution from state actors on the grounds of 'race','religion' or 'political opinion'. All done with the best intentions, no doubt, after the era of naziism.
    Apparently, the original drafters of the convention had the foresight and wisdom to limit protection to Europeans only.
    Damned fools in 1968, made - with hindsight - the demented decision to apply the convention to the entire world.
    Even more damnable fools - in the EU, no surprise there then - extended the convention to 'all those in war zones'.

    All that is needed is a return to commonsense, rational nationalism, and the realisation that 'universalism' and 'natural rights' are pure 'bollocks on stilts', that simply cannot be afforded by the intelligent nation state. Out with the idealism and in with the realism.

    Replies: @Big bill

    In a nutshell! The Refugee treaty was institutionalized Holocaust guilt combined with moral preening after Nuremberg to prove we were “different” and “better”.

    But remember, shortly before the UN refugee treaty we were uprooting Germans from all over Eurasia, taking their property and forcing them back to Germany. And that expulsion included huge number of “Germans” who were themselves refugees from a previous oppressive German regime. Heck, some of the “Germans” forced back to Germany had been living as refugees in other countries for several hundred years.

    My takeaway: ethnic cleansing of refugees–even refugees from hundreds of years before–is perfectly compatible with the UN refugee treaty.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Big bill

    The Volksdeutche weren't refugees from previous oppressive German regimes. In some cases they were invited to settle, in others (e.g. the Baltic states), German merchants and tradesment accompanied Germanic conquerors. As late as the 18th century, Catherine the Great, herself a German petty princess by birth, invited Germans to settle in Russia.

  118. Since it’s explicitly, Constitutionally legal to use prisoners for slave labor in USA, we could put them working in a prison/factory doing whatever industry we could make a profit at. Once prisoners become a net profit, we will never have to worry about overcrowding again. Send illegal immigrants to minimum of 5 years in prison.

  119. I also like the landmines along the border idea. But it would have to be double walled with the mines between the walls. Injuries would be nasty but once they are buried the next dumbass congress cannot “defund the program.” Also nobody has to actually pull the trigger like in gunpoint enforcement. In a sense the migrant “blows himself up.”

  120. Use high voltage wires atop the border wall. If they try to climb over, they get zapped. Also have it wired to monitor continuity of circuit so that any time circuit gets disrupted, border patrol gets a call telling exactly where the disruption occurred.

  121. Isn’t it a bit quixotic for amateurs to be trying to figure out how to secure the border? Let the governments figure out the technical details. The problem is to provide the structural incentives. Paradoxically, might that involve giving permanent rights to any migrant who succeeds in circumventing the border patrols?

  122. @Kylie
    @jtgw


    If I had to think of a good deterrent to immigrant flash mobs, without excluding genuine refugees who need asylum, it would be to announce that migrants are welcome, but they will not qualify for any welfare benefits.
     
    Won't work. Once you convey the idea that any migrants are welcome based on need, you open the door to flagrant abuse as "genuine" and "need" will be redefined to the benefit of the flash mobs you want to exclude. Instead it should be genuine asylum seekers will be tolerated, all others will be turned away.

    Which leads to my subtle suggestion. Americans need to stop being so damn welcoming and friendly to migrants. Some few will genuinely appreciate it and respond in kind. Most will regard it as what it is--a kindness that so readily shades off into weakness. Just altering one's demeanor, smiling less often and less widely, making less effort to understand mangled English, making no effort to understand any other language--these all have a cooling effect on foreigners. Even the illiterate ones have gotten the memo--Americans are suckers. No need to be rude but any glad-handing should be avoided. NAMS are especially thin-skinned. They also tend to be bullies and you can almost always bully a bully. Formal and not friendly tends to cause them to back away, if not down completely. Migrants who don't feel welcome are far less likely to tell their families back home to "Come on in, the water's fine!"

    I base these suggestions on my years spent interacting daily with foreigners from all over the world while living in a college town.


    Any mangled English in my comments is the result of being temporarily legally blind. I'm not as good at touch typing as I thought.

    Replies: @BubbaJoe, @jtgw

    I agree, to a point. First, many already receive charity from religious organizations, and this charity is substantial. A blanket denial of benefits will only see this grow. Direct welfare could be turned off, but indirect welfare (often through govt. funding) could easily make up the difference.
    Second, and most importantly imo, is the level of poverty we are willing to tolerate in our communities. The West is a nice place precisely because we don’t allow abject misery to clog our streets. When a drunk passes out, the fire dept. is called, medical care is given, etc. All of that costs exhorbitant amounts of money. Seattle spends millions per year on aiding ~200 indigents. Imagine seeing a group of children begging for food in your neighborhood- what would you do? Call social services, provide help yourself. What we won’t do is simply ignore them. We’re not Brazil. We’re not going to send in crack police teams to execute kids. No, once they’re here we’ll have to take care of them one way or another. That does make us suckers, but is that going to change? Being a sucker is part of the reason the West is a nice place to live. When we see trash on the ground, we pick it up. From the perspective of much of the world, that makes us suckers. It also makes are communities nice and clean. I think a good idear, a tad subtler than mines on the border, is pushing home how much further our help can go if they stay where they are. The cost of food, education, and medical help for 10,000 kids in Honduras will be much, much cheaper than if they were in LA. But foremost we cannot let them in to begin with.

    • Replies: @jtgw
    @BubbaJoe

    Some of these objections are Seattle-specific. Seattle wants to be a Nordic welfare state whitopia, which I agree is not compatible with open borders. But then you have the laissez-faire Texas model of government, which just lets the good old free market deal with migrants. I think even Steve recognizes that Hispanics do a lot better in places like Texas than in, say, California, which spends billions of public money on them. When I think of the American way of life and its openness to migrants and entrepreneurs, without coddling them with benefits and handouts, I think of Texas rather than Seattle.

    Replies: @BubbaJoe

  123. @Buzz Mohawk
    Interesting... It looks like Steve is consulting for a candidate. I hope he is working for the right one! (I remember Steve's immigration slogan survey here a few months ago. Interesting...)

    1. Elect Trump. In the meantime, make it clear to the world that you support Trump. He is hard line, everyone knows it, and he can move the Overton Window.

    2. As others have suggested, set a concrete limit on the total number of immigrants that will be allowed into the US per year. Make it known that "migrants" and "refugees" will count as part of that number, thus reducing visas and opportunities for everyone else's favorite race or interest group.

    3. Also as others have suggested, establish one finite budget for assistance to both migrants and Americans. Make it clear to everyone that migrants will be taking from this budget, thus reducing benefits for every other moocher here.

    I can imagine points 2 and 3 as parts of a Trump position statement on his website.

    4. Set up a processing area somewhere like northern Alaska. It's cold up there, and all these scumbags who want to invade European Man's living space come from warm latitudes (big surprise). Let the world and social media know that we have this place ready, and that everyone will be stuck there for a long time while we inefficiently clear them.

    5. Make sure they know that a lot of them will be permanently located up there somewhere, where we can say they will have the opportunity to work and make their homes -- in northern Alaska, or North Dakota, or the most remote areas of Wyoming (cold and windy.)

    6. (Most subtle and tricky of all) subversively facilitate a healthy dislike for the migrant group and it's ethnicities. I somehow believe smarter people than me can find ways of making this happen. Make it agitprop or psyop or something. It is perfectly okay not to like people. Let's start now. Get your Hollywood friends to make them villians in movies and TV shows. Produce Borat 2 and make him a terrorist.

    7. Publicize images of the mass of "migrants" as they truly are: aggressive mobs of men. STOP PUTTING BABY PICTURES ON EVERY STORY.

    Replies: @wren

    Which candidate said this recently?

    “We have to build a wall, folks. We have to build a wall and a wall works. All you have to do is go to Israel and say how is your wall working?”

    As far as I know, there is only one pundit who has been making that point for a while.

  124. @Sunbeam
    @Harry Baldwin

    "So you are OK with whites being replaced as long as it is with Asians?"

    His point is perfectly understandable. I'm not too sure he could have made it any clearer.

    If more words helps I can supply them.

    "So you are OK with whites being replaced"

    Uhhh, well this is pretty short. I guess it means "So you are OK with whites being replaced." I guess to be really clear we should say "in the United States." Or do we need to go all Clinton and parse out what "replaced" means?

    "as long as it is with Asians?"

    I guess this means "Asians." Well to be really clear we don't pay much attention to Filipinos, Cambodians, or Hmong Tribesmen on this site. Or the other groups that technically are Asian like ... crap Mongols? Gurkhas? Tibetans? Those muslims in the West of China? Any number of vaguely Eskimo tribemen from Siberia?

    No, he means Koreans/Japanese/Chinese, the high IQ asians. Though Japanese don't have much reason to come here anymore, and the Koreans only a little more. So that means Chinese.

    Hope this helps.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “I guess this means “Asians.” Well to be really clear we don’t pay much attention to Filipinos, Cambodians, or Hmong Tribesmen on this site.”

    I don’t know why so many people here on The Unz keep comparing Filipinos in the U.S to Hmongs. Filipinos in the U.S do not commit a lot of violent crimes. Most people in The Unz most likely live in areas where there are no Filipinos or extremely few of them.

    Daly City, California for example has the highest percentage of Filipinos in the U.S. I don’t know of any White Bay Area resident who is afraid to step foot in Daly City and see it as a no go zone area for Whites where Filipino thugs are just waiting to rape White women and rob and murder White men.

    As a White guy I go to Daly City all of the time and I have never felt afraid there. No Filipino person there has ever given me any trouble.

    Daly City has a lower per capita murder rate than the national average. In the years 2012 and 2013 Daly City had no homicides at all.
    http://www.city-data.com/city/Daly-City-California.html

    If you are a White person who is afraid to step foot in Daly City because of it’s large Filipino population than you are the biggest pussy on the planet.

    Daly City can not even compete with Denver when it comes to per capita murder rate, let alone compete with Detroit.

    • Replies: @Sunbeam
    @Jefferson

    My point was that unless you are one of the high IQ asian groups people on this site don't discuss them much.

    I don't think anyone is scared of hordes of Filipinos turning Harvard and Princeton in Manila East.

    Chinese on the other hand...

    Replies: @rvg

  125. The only thing I have to add is that you can’t depend on official channels at all. Both parties want more illegal immigration (well, the elites anyway). You can’t rely on the government to execute the laws.

    You’d have to act through civil disobedience–violent acts can be easily targeted by the FBI (and rightly so, violence is violence), but clerks refusing to endorse in-state tuition for illegals a la Kim Davis, massive protests and boycotts against employers using illegal labor, and any other ideas I am not clever enough to come up with. Even if they don’t want to enforce immigration violations, if you deluge DHS with (true!) reports of illegal activity someone else can ask why they have all these reports of illegal activity they’re ignoring, and run an expose. Don’t talk about what you would do if you had the levers of power you don’t have (PSAs, building walls, etc.–a wall would work but it will never be built). Work with the levers of power you do. It’s what the Tea Party does.

    I saw Gamergate make the feminists blink. Many Americans from both parties are on our side. Let’s see what we can do.

  126. Someone may have mentioned this already and it’s slightly off-topic, but it would be great if Congress passed a law that all immigration had to be paid for (and then some) with capital gains taxes on a dynamic proportional basis, i.e. if the internationalist corp0rates want more cheap labor, they pay for it ALL in addition to a penalty.

  127. Small legal measures would help stem the tide. If it becomes a felony to rent to illegals, or hire them, and eliminate anchor babies, and free health care, that would help.

    As far as actually policing the border, drone technology is moving so fast, it’s amazing. Herds of small drones in strategic areas would lessen the need for feet on the ground. You could spread them like ants in their own charging stations, and program them to take off, patrol, and land on their own, only alerting an actual person when an illegal is detected.

  128. Oh, forgot to say, self-driving car technology would also serve to lessen feet on the ground. In an ideal scenario, a drone would identify a group of illegals, and a large unmanned containment vehicle could be sent to pick up the illegals, lock ’em in, and bring them to a deport station.

    Thanks Google!

    One more thing, we have the technology to build what would amount to skyscrapers that serve as large greenhouses. Produce could be grown without soil, without pest problems, organically, using FAR less water, and arranged in a way to service the robotic technology to make harvesting easy, sans the use of the essential slave labor democrats are so fond of.

  129. @Kylie
    @jtgw


    If I had to think of a good deterrent to immigrant flash mobs, without excluding genuine refugees who need asylum, it would be to announce that migrants are welcome, but they will not qualify for any welfare benefits.
     
    Won't work. Once you convey the idea that any migrants are welcome based on need, you open the door to flagrant abuse as "genuine" and "need" will be redefined to the benefit of the flash mobs you want to exclude. Instead it should be genuine asylum seekers will be tolerated, all others will be turned away.

    Which leads to my subtle suggestion. Americans need to stop being so damn welcoming and friendly to migrants. Some few will genuinely appreciate it and respond in kind. Most will regard it as what it is--a kindness that so readily shades off into weakness. Just altering one's demeanor, smiling less often and less widely, making less effort to understand mangled English, making no effort to understand any other language--these all have a cooling effect on foreigners. Even the illiterate ones have gotten the memo--Americans are suckers. No need to be rude but any glad-handing should be avoided. NAMS are especially thin-skinned. They also tend to be bullies and you can almost always bully a bully. Formal and not friendly tends to cause them to back away, if not down completely. Migrants who don't feel welcome are far less likely to tell their families back home to "Come on in, the water's fine!"

    I base these suggestions on my years spent interacting daily with foreigners from all over the world while living in a college town.


    Any mangled English in my comments is the result of being temporarily legally blind. I'm not as good at touch typing as I thought.

    Replies: @BubbaJoe, @jtgw

    I guess it shows the pervasiveness of welfarism that accepting refugees is automatically assumed to mean providing them all with food and shelter at taxpayers’ expense. That’s not what I’m proposing. I’m simply saying refugees should get a chance to come here and make a living for themselves, but they shouldn’t expense to see a single dime from our treasury.

  130. @SPMoore8
    @Mark Minter

    Not really sure what the jab at MCRD SD is all about. I went there in the early '70's, and so did my father, in early '42. When I went there the fence ran along the runways of the airport in one direction, alongside a USN bootcamp in another direction, and the rest of it you would have had to cross a heavily policed grinder (parade ground.) I don't think anyone wanted to escape but I know that only about 50% of my platoon graduated from the original group (not necessarily washed out, there were various subcamps for prospective Marines who were too fat, too skinny, too dumb, or not motivated enough.)

    As I recall the first phase was about 6 weeks, then a week of kitchen duty, then a week at the rifle range at Camp Pendleton, then a week of Infantry Training at San Onofre (also at Camp Pendleton) then we came back and got to put an eagle, globe, and anchor on our utility shirts. Then another 4-5 weeks to graduation, altogether 13 weeks.

    You were lucky to get one cigarette a day when the smoking lamp was lit, in formation, and at a semi-rigid parade rest. A bit more relaxed -- maybe 2 -- by the time you got towards graduation, but not more than that. Interesting to hear other comparisons.

    Anyway, SD was the preferred boot camp for West Coast Marines; it was just a geographical thing. I believe boot camp in the early 20th C. was at Mare Island, by Vallejo, but it's been awhile since I read up on that. Semper Fi.

    Replies: @jarhead

    I went through PI in 1976. Our platoon got two cigarettes during our entire time there and there wasn’t any access on our part to anyplace that sold anything, much less cigarettes until the last day or two before graduation when they gave us a bit of base liberty.

    I was in 2d battalion. Each time, which was only twice for the duration, we lined up along the concrete laundry scrub tables between the squadbays (are these things still there, the barracks are still the same..). We stood at attention as a recruit walked up and down the table handing out cigarettes. There was some lighting command, then we had to hold the cigarette with our arm extended directly forward, cigarette vertical, and puff on command of the drill instructor.

    During this, a couple of recruits walked up and down the table with ash buckets for us. Woe betide the recruit careless enough to flick some ashes anywhere else.

    A lot of the usual random chanting in unison, and so forth. A whole lot of rigamarole for a cigarette, but boy was that worth it, I can still taste that.

    I don’t know how other platoons fared, this stuff was at the discretion of the DI’s, seemed like other platoons had way more cigarettes than us, probably because our SDI didn’t smoke, didn’t like us smoking. Again, a lot of discretion in those days, whether official or not. Our SDI also didn’t like blanket parties, which was unique in our series of 4 platoons, the other three platoons were sort of running amok with this practice.

    Generally, when hearing USMC boot camp stories, especially older ones before they really clamped down on the DIs a few decades ago, one should understand that DIs in effect had a fair amount of discretion in their practices and the freedoms/torments of one platoon could differ markedly from another in the same time/recruit depot, even the platoon next door.

    And there is a lot of exaggeration as well.

  131. @Orthodox
    Use propaganda. The South Americans seem more susceptible to superstition and rumors. Organ harvesting by coyotes, Americans murdering migrants and facing no punishment, Satanic worship on the rise, etc. You'd have to mix and match to see what would work. The liberal media will repeat any rumor that sounds scary and racist. It wouldn't be hard to hoax em'.

    Replies: @FactsAreImportant, @Hail

    Spread rumors that immigrants are mysteriously becoming sterile.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @FactsAreImportant

    And impotent.

    , @Big Bill
    @FactsAreImportant

    Why stop with impotence? Spread rumors about penis theft. There's a lot of that going around in Africa these days.

    Google "africa penis theft shrink"

    Sometimes they disappear right away. Sometimes they just start shrinking.

  132. Isn’t there some way we could leverage our newfound friendship with the Castro brothers and our base at Gitmo to house the “refugees?”

  133. @FactsAreImportant
    @Orthodox

    Spread rumors that immigrants are mysteriously becoming sterile.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Big Bill

    And impotent.

  134. @bomag
    @Buzz Baldrin

    ...renegotiating the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo.

    Wrong idea. They would be back for the rest in short order.

    We should militarily occupy the northern Mexican provinces and cut all ties and trade with that evil entity. Then we will have a militarized border where we can fight endless skirmishes. Good for the economy.

    Replies: @Buzz Baldrin, @Anonym

    Your strategy would work well if your guy was in the White House instead of Mexifornia’s Coyote in Chief.

    But as long as the occupied states continue to elect open borders politicians, America’s Southwest and Congress will remain conquered territory while Obama overruns the remaining states with illegals, refugees, and job thieves.

  135. @BubbaJoe
    @Kylie

    I agree, to a point. First, many already receive charity from religious organizations, and this charity is substantial. A blanket denial of benefits will only see this grow. Direct welfare could be turned off, but indirect welfare (often through govt. funding) could easily make up the difference.
    Second, and most importantly imo, is the level of poverty we are willing to tolerate in our communities. The West is a nice place precisely because we don't allow abject misery to clog our streets. When a drunk passes out, the fire dept. is called, medical care is given, etc. All of that costs exhorbitant amounts of money. Seattle spends millions per year on aiding ~200 indigents. Imagine seeing a group of children begging for food in your neighborhood- what would you do? Call social services, provide help yourself. What we won't do is simply ignore them. We're not Brazil. We're not going to send in crack police teams to execute kids. No, once they're here we'll have to take care of them one way or another. That does make us suckers, but is that going to change? Being a sucker is part of the reason the West is a nice place to live. When we see trash on the ground, we pick it up. From the perspective of much of the world, that makes us suckers. It also makes are communities nice and clean. I think a good idear, a tad subtler than mines on the border, is pushing home how much further our help can go if they stay where they are. The cost of food, education, and medical help for 10,000 kids in Honduras will be much, much cheaper than if they were in LA. But foremost we cannot let them in to begin with.

    Replies: @jtgw

    Some of these objections are Seattle-specific. Seattle wants to be a Nordic welfare state whitopia, which I agree is not compatible with open borders. But then you have the laissez-faire Texas model of government, which just lets the good old free market deal with migrants. I think even Steve recognizes that Hispanics do a lot better in places like Texas than in, say, California, which spends billions of public money on them. When I think of the American way of life and its openness to migrants and entrepreneurs, without coddling them with benefits and handouts, I think of Texas rather than Seattle.

    • Replies: @BubbaJoe
    @jtgw

    When I think of the American way of life and its openness to migrants and entrepreneurs, without coddling them with benefits and handouts, I think of Texas rather than Seattle.

    If a Texan sees an unwashed child picking food out of a trash can, in all likelihood they'll call CPS, the Police, or some other social services. And in all likelihood the responding adult will do something about it. Otherwise, I agreed blue West Coast cities tend to be too generous. But my point remains- the level of human misery the average American is willing to tolerate in their community is much, much lower than elsewhere in the world. It's unseemly when hordes of indigents die in the streets. Elsewhere, no one cares. This was the point of Camp of the Saints- if an army of women and children (I know most 'refugees' are male) shows up at your border, you're not going to start shooting them. The values that make Western societies nice places also leave them open to crass exploitation by the unscrupulous. So, it's best to prevent that from happening.

  136. It might be possible to study past waves of migrations. Cubans and Haitians for example. Why did they start migrating, why did they stop.

    Haitians are probably closer to Camp of the Saints as they came because of problems in Haiti largely caused by things internal to Haiti. The Middle eastern refugees are fleeing European foreign policy. And while I am a bit sympathetic to the notion that the US/NATO controls European foreign policy, it is still being caused by Europe.

    So maybe the thing to do is determine what is causing the migration?

    Millions of refugees were crowding neighboring countries like Lebanon, why is it such a surprise that they are now flooding into Europe? Was this foreseeable?

  137. @Anonymous
    It appears that trump will fall to fiorina, who is Steves worst nightmare and can actually win the nomination, and so the h1b and cheap labor flood continges. How do you guys feel now?

    Replies: @e, @Jefferson

    “It appears that trump will fall to fiorina, who is Steves worst nightmare and can actually win the nomination, and so the h1b and cheap labor flood continges. How do you guys feel now?”

    Carly Fiorina is not in 1st place.

  138. @meh
    Do recent political events in Australia threaten to change Australia's policy? Just curious.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @With the thoughts you'd be thinkin, @Richard of Melbourne, @alice

    Read this bit by Steyn to see his take on the election in Australia:
    http://www.steynonline.com/section/16/steyn-on-the-world

    Shorter version: Turnbull may be a social lib in many ways, but he knows demography. Steyn thinks he may be the only politician who does.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @alice

    Worth quoting Steyn in full:


    Malcolm Turnbull is far less to my taste ideologically. He's a republican, in favor of gay marriage, who's hot for all the climate-change hooey and supported that ghastly carbon tax. ...

    That said, I find him one of the most serious and thoughtful politicians on the other of my core issues: demography. We sat next to each other at a conference a few years back. It was alphabetical - so S for Steyn, T for Turnbull; on my other side, I had R for Kevin Rudd, the previously ousted Prime Minister. We had little plates of snacky-type stuff and, every time I turned to talk to Turnbull, Rudd's hand crept over and snaffled my nibbles. Anyway, Turnbull, like me, is a serious demographic junkie, and he spent much of the afternoon passing me various napkin doodles of inverted pyramids showing projected population declines for different fertility rates. Compared to most politicians around the west, he was almost uniquely well-informed on the subject.
     
  139. Every Republican who’s last name is not Bush say their favorite president of all time is either Ronald Reagan or Abraham Lincoln.

    I wonder how Jeb Bush feels about the fact that no Republican politician or Republican voter ever lists his brother as their favorite president of all time.

  140. @jtgw
    @BubbaJoe

    Some of these objections are Seattle-specific. Seattle wants to be a Nordic welfare state whitopia, which I agree is not compatible with open borders. But then you have the laissez-faire Texas model of government, which just lets the good old free market deal with migrants. I think even Steve recognizes that Hispanics do a lot better in places like Texas than in, say, California, which spends billions of public money on them. When I think of the American way of life and its openness to migrants and entrepreneurs, without coddling them with benefits and handouts, I think of Texas rather than Seattle.

    Replies: @BubbaJoe

    When I think of the American way of life and its openness to migrants and entrepreneurs, without coddling them with benefits and handouts, I think of Texas rather than Seattle.

    If a Texan sees an unwashed child picking food out of a trash can, in all likelihood they’ll call CPS, the Police, or some other social services. And in all likelihood the responding adult will do something about it. Otherwise, I agreed blue West Coast cities tend to be too generous. But my point remains- the level of human misery the average American is willing to tolerate in their community is much, much lower than elsewhere in the world. It’s unseemly when hordes of indigents die in the streets. Elsewhere, no one cares. This was the point of Camp of the Saints- if an army of women and children (I know most ‘refugees’ are male) shows up at your border, you’re not going to start shooting them. The values that make Western societies nice places also leave them open to crass exploitation by the unscrupulous. So, it’s best to prevent that from happening.

  141. @rvg
    @Foreign Expert

    Nice evasive maneuver. How do you define the word American?

    Replies: @bomag, @AndrewR, @D. K., @Chris Mallory

    American-Descendants of those British Protestants who founded the United States of America. Immigrants from other nations will always be invaders, never Americans.

    • Replies: @EvolutionistX
    @Chris Mallory

    Are you kicking out the descendants of the founders of Maryland?

  142. @Wilkey
    @Lot

    Interesting, but it doesn't seem to have helped much. I think that breaking welfare spending off with it's own separate tax would be effective because in order to increase welfare spending you'd have to raise the tax rate, and that would be an effective impediment to increasing welfare benefits. If the welfare tax were 5% and Democrats wanted to increase welfare by 20% they'd have to raise everyone's taxes by 1%. Nowadays all they do when they increase spending is raise the debt ceiling.

    Which leads to another decent alternative: balancing the budget. Any requirement that the federal government keep it's budget balance is effectively a requirement to hold down spending on welfare, refugee resettlement, etc. - though it could also, of course, lead to less spending to secure the border.

    Replies: @Lot

    Balanced budget rules are not optimal economic policy. When the economy turns down, the government has to cut spending or raise taxes, making the economy even weaker. The technical word for this is pro-cyclical, as in it makes the business cycle worse.

    I am not quite at the point where I think the USA is so screwed up we should adopt a bad policy for Machievellian reasons like Norquist’s “Starve the Beast” plan and discard the lessons of technocratic economics. I am also not sure it would be helpful in the end.

    Balanced budget rules for the federal government is never going to happen anyway. If it is statute passed by congress, a spending law that violated would be an equal but more recent act of congress and effectively repeal it. And it would never get into the US Constitution.

    My personal favorite eugenic policies that are semi-realistic in the current political environment are:

    (1) eliminate the diversity lottery (literally random Africans with high fertility/chain migration risk), and replace the slots with an equal number of H1B’s (low fertility Chinese and high-caste Indians with small families and low fertility)

    (2) make big cuts to HUD, and give Obama the choice of either accepting the cuts or letting just that part of government shut down.

    #1 was an actual GOP House proposal a couple years ago, and is great for dividing the Zucks from the La Razas.

    #2 is just a variant of the current really stupid GOP plan to defund Planned Parenthood, but better targeted since basically everything HUD does is bad, while HHS does a lot of good things like NIH and Medicare.

    • Replies: @rvg
    @Lot

    Will you or Steve Sailer be willing to make a thesis linking IQ and ethics?

  143. @Jefferson
    @Sunbeam

    "I guess this means “Asians.” Well to be really clear we don’t pay much attention to Filipinos, Cambodians, or Hmong Tribesmen on this site."

    I don't know why so many people here on The Unz keep comparing Filipinos in the U.S to Hmongs. Filipinos in the U.S do not commit a lot of violent crimes. Most people in The Unz most likely live in areas where there are no Filipinos or extremely few of them.

    Daly City, California for example has the highest percentage of Filipinos in the U.S. I don't know of any White Bay Area resident who is afraid to step foot in Daly City and see it as a no go zone area for Whites where Filipino thugs are just waiting to rape White women and rob and murder White men.

    As a White guy I go to Daly City all of the time and I have never felt afraid there. No Filipino person there has ever given me any trouble.

    Daly City has a lower per capita murder rate than the national average. In the years 2012 and 2013 Daly City had no homicides at all.
    http://www.city-data.com/city/Daly-City-California.html

    If you are a White person who is afraid to step foot in Daly City because of it's large Filipino population than you are the biggest pussy on the planet.

    Daly City can not even compete with Denver when it comes to per capita murder rate, let alone compete with Detroit.

    Replies: @Sunbeam

    My point was that unless you are one of the high IQ asian groups people on this site don’t discuss them much.

    I don’t think anyone is scared of hordes of Filipinos turning Harvard and Princeton in Manila East.

    Chinese on the other hand…

    • Replies: @rvg
    @Sunbeam

    Does anyone here have any data on white collar crimes by race, such as wire fraud, tax evasion, or violating state and federal employment laws? Do high IQ people just commit more sophisticated crimes, hence they get caught less often. or they are smart enough to obey the letter of the law, so they will not get charged with a crime?

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Sunbeam

  144. The enemy is already within the gates. I suggest we start by allowing college tuition debt to be discharged through bankruptcy. The cultural marxist indoctrination centers have to go away.

    Don’t fence me in just yet!

    • Replies: @Former Darfur
    @jJay

    Make college tuition repayable over a lifetime, but at a fixed rate to income so that unless the graduate is in a pretty high income bracket it will never be repaid. A surgeon making a quarter mil would repay his med school and college by 40. Most liberal arts grads would die "owing" a bunch, which would be discharged at death. Most non-elite business and liberal arts college would be replaced by vo tech and paraprofessional education.

  145. @Steve Sailer
    @Bill B.

    The U.S. has a 12 square mile Air Force Base in Honduras.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soto_Cano_Air_Base

    That seems like it could be a useful asset come the next Camp of the Saints like the 2014 "unaccompanied minors" rush for the border: when Central American asylum seekers show up at the U.S. border, you just fly them down to a tent city set up on the USAF base in Honduras. They can have a cot and 3 hots per day until their cases are decided.

    Instantly sending them back to Central America would convey the image of futility.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @rod1963, @TenD, @dsgntd_plyr

    The U.S. has a 12 square mile Air Force Base in Honduras. That seems like it could be a useful asset come the next Camp of the Saints like the 2014 “unaccompanied minors” rush for the border

    Elizabeth, NJ is about 12 sq mi, with a population density of 10,144.1. So that’s about 122k people.

    Gitmo hosted 30k Haitians after a coup in the early 90s so the US knows how to retrofit military bases for migrants. At 45 sq mi it’s similar in size to San Francisco which has 12,246.4 people/sq mi. So that would be over 551k people.

  146. @bomag
    @rvg

    How do you define the word American?

    Someone who speaks the language and follows the customs.

    Nice evasive maneuver on your part to play dumb and start parsing definitions.

    Replies: @rvg

    So you would not mind replacement so much as long as it with a high IQ minority? You are as much of an anti white as the liberals are.

  147. @alice
    @meh

    Read this bit by Steyn to see his take on the election in Australia:
    http://www.steynonline.com/section/16/steyn-on-the-world

    Shorter version: Turnbull may be a social lib in many ways, but he knows demography. Steyn thinks he may be the only politician who does.

    Replies: @Lot

    Worth quoting Steyn in full:

    Malcolm Turnbull is far less to my taste ideologically. He’s a republican, in favor of gay marriage, who’s hot for all the climate-change hooey and supported that ghastly carbon tax. …

    That said, I find him one of the most serious and thoughtful politicians on the other of my core issues: demography. We sat next to each other at a conference a few years back. It was alphabetical – so S for Steyn, T for Turnbull; on my other side, I had R for Kevin Rudd, the previously ousted Prime Minister. We had little plates of snacky-type stuff and, every time I turned to talk to Turnbull, Rudd’s hand crept over and snaffled my nibbles. Anyway, Turnbull, like me, is a serious demographic junkie, and he spent much of the afternoon passing me various napkin doodles of inverted pyramids showing projected population declines for different fertility rates. Compared to most politicians around the west, he was almost uniquely well-informed on the subject.

  148. @TenD
    @Steve Sailer

    I thought that's what Guantanamo was for.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Bulkeley


    "In 1991, the camp was revived and drawn into the national spotlight due to a coup d'etat in Haiti causing a large scale exodus of people. The United States Coast Guard rescued persons in International Waters and brought them to the Naval Station for processing. Rescued persons were held in locations near Camp Bulkeley."

    The 'refugees' need to become 'rescuees', and then they can be rescued to a remote base, **in some other country.** It's been done before. Of course, what actually happened to all the rescuees? Did they end up here anyway?

    Replies: @dsgntd_plyr

    Of course, what actually happened to all the rescuees? Did they end up here anyway?

    There’s a Wiki:
    “Within six months the USA had interned over 30,000 Haitian refugees in Guantanamo, while another 30,000 fled to the Dominican Republic. Eventually the USA would admit 10,747 of the Haitians to refugee status in the United States.”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haitian_refugees_held_at_the_Guantanamo_Bay_Naval_Base

  149. Our last two “Camp of Saints” responses were:

    1. The Haiti coup brought some waves of refugees, and we invaded and restored the awful but democratically elected government.

    2. We completely opened the door to Salvadoreans by granting the country an effectively permanent “temporary protected status.” As a result, immigration from there is near Puerto Rico levels. There are 6 million residents of El Salvador, but 1.6 million Salvadorians in the USA, of whom 1.1 million were born there and the rest are their children born here. That, in turn, is a 173-fold increase from 1960 in Salvadorean-born population.

    With about 20% of the world’s Salvadoreans now in the USA, essentially the entire population can come here via chain migration even if their TPS status ever ends.

    In 2008, 54.4 percent of the 938,000 Salvadoran-born adults age 25 and older had no high school diploma or the equivalent general education diploma (GED), compared to 32.5 percent among all foreign-born adults. About 23.4 percent had a high school diploma or GED compared to 21.9 percent among all foreign-born adults.

  150. @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    I work as a [...] for [...], have a badge and creds, and have inside knowledge of DHS/USCIS. At USCIS (formerly INS) a lot of the new hires were born in Third World countries and/or have ties there. The others are SJW who worked internships for immigrant groups while in law school. So, "until their cases are decided" strikes me as naïve.

    Replies: @G Pinfold

    DHS/USCIS. At USCIS (formerly INS) a lot of the new hires were born in Third World countries and/or have ties there. The others are SJW who worked internships for immigrant groups while in law school. So, “until their cases are decided” strikes me as naïve.

    In Australia we hear the usual SJWs citing the high percentage of illegals who have their refugee status confirmed by the process. The SJWs quote the numbers as if they mean something other than what your point implies. Yet, all the people smuggling boats depart from third countries where the migrants face no imminent threat other than poverty, humiliation and, er, micro-aggression from the native populations of the ‘transit countries’.

  151. @Sunbeam
    @Jefferson

    My point was that unless you are one of the high IQ asian groups people on this site don't discuss them much.

    I don't think anyone is scared of hordes of Filipinos turning Harvard and Princeton in Manila East.

    Chinese on the other hand...

    Replies: @rvg

    Does anyone here have any data on white collar crimes by race, such as wire fraud, tax evasion, or violating state and federal employment laws? Do high IQ people just commit more sophisticated crimes, hence they get caught less often. or they are smart enough to obey the letter of the law, so they will not get charged with a crime?

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @rvg

    "Does anyone here have any data on white collar crimes by race, such as wire fraud, tax evasion, or violating state and federal employment laws? Do high IQ people just commit more sophisticated crimes, hence they get caught less often. or they are smart enough to obey the letter of the law, so they will not get charged with a crime?"

    A Black FIFA World Cup official is going to do time in prison for taking illegal bribes. Wesley Snipes did time in prison for not paying his taxes.

    White collar crime is not as White as the media portrays it is, if you catch my drift.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Sunbeam
    @rvg

    I'll attempt to answer that. I won't be giving you any stats, but plenty of sarcasm (though not directed at you).

    I suspect there is a good bit of "they are smart enough to obey the letter of the law, so they will not get charged with a crime?"

    And if anyone crunched the numbers I would not be at all surprised to see Asians (well chinese) over represented in white collar crime. They aren't really penetrated into areas of the economy where they can get at the good stuff right now, but if the way they go in for food stamps, gaming the system for elder care, and similar things is any indication there is a big bulge of it heading down the pipeline.

    Anyway that is a non-pc two cents. I almost suspect Indians will be worse than this though. And both of those groups are primed to get spots that elite college attendance puts you in line for.

    Now as regards the rest of what you said. On this site, intelligence is godliness. It is the only good. It can be linked to whether you have the future time orientation to brush your teeth. Whether you are prone to being hung over and calling in sick.

    Whether you can control yourself such that you don't rape anything in sight. Whether you are a screaming lunatic that exists only to kill and steal. All the while drinking Big Gulps and smoking Newports. Cause you just can't help yourself see?

    And let us consider a hypothetical immigrant population. Let's say they are well behaved, not violent, pleasant people that work well in groups. Work hard, industrious.

    Useless.

    It's all Fields Medals and human achievement, all the way down. As Rickey Bobby said "If you ain't first, you're last."

    The depressing thing is most of this can be backed up with statistics. Not my hypothetical population, because as nearly as I can tell the stats say if you are dumb you are violent. No exceptions.

    And my hypothetical population isn't really of any use in this new world with it's new economy. You can work your ass off, but if you are not intelligent the marginal utility of your labor is... zero.

    So you are probably better off with high IQ asian con men than some pleasant population of immigrants who are dumb (if they exist anywhere; think Amish might meet the requirement but according to Harpending they are the result of some accidental breeding program to produce placid cow people). Cause like I said: If you ain't Fielding and Nobelling it, or writing classical music, or selling your startup for mega bucks.... well you ain't sh*t no more.

    Anyway that is about all I got on this.

  152. @Lot
    @Wilkey

    Balanced budget rules are not optimal economic policy. When the economy turns down, the government has to cut spending or raise taxes, making the economy even weaker. The technical word for this is pro-cyclical, as in it makes the business cycle worse.

    I am not quite at the point where I think the USA is so screwed up we should adopt a bad policy for Machievellian reasons like Norquist's "Starve the Beast" plan and discard the lessons of technocratic economics. I am also not sure it would be helpful in the end.

    Balanced budget rules for the federal government is never going to happen anyway. If it is statute passed by congress, a spending law that violated would be an equal but more recent act of congress and effectively repeal it. And it would never get into the US Constitution.

    My personal favorite eugenic policies that are semi-realistic in the current political environment are:

    (1) eliminate the diversity lottery (literally random Africans with high fertility/chain migration risk), and replace the slots with an equal number of H1B's (low fertility Chinese and high-caste Indians with small families and low fertility)

    (2) make big cuts to HUD, and give Obama the choice of either accepting the cuts or letting just that part of government shut down.

    #1 was an actual GOP House proposal a couple years ago, and is great for dividing the Zucks from the La Razas.

    #2 is just a variant of the current really stupid GOP plan to defund Planned Parenthood, but better targeted since basically everything HUD does is bad, while HHS does a lot of good things like NIH and Medicare.

    Replies: @rvg

    Will you or Steve Sailer be willing to make a thesis linking IQ and ethics?

  153. Can anyone who has been to Daly explain why nonviolent crime has not fallen compared to violent crime this past decade? Btw why does everyone here ignore the potential of WASPS and East Asians to commit violence on an industrial scale, albeit in an organized manner? Does the Chinese warlord era or WW1 ring a bell? Even if you exclude WW2 as an outlier because of the Nazis.

    • Replies: @Sunbeam
    @rvg

    Because that isn't the environment we live in right now.

    Most of the violence you see in the United States is street crime. You can kind of stretch it a little and consider organized groups like biker gangs and the other serious crime organizations. But the violence they perpetrate is dwarfed by good old muggings, rapes, and the more or less random incidents that are part and parcel of American life.

    The center is really going to have to fall apart before we start seeing that here, as has happened in some other countries over the years.

    , @The most deplorable one
    @rvg

    I've been to Daly Waters.

    Not sure what it has to do with IQ though.

    Replies: @rvg

  154. Steve, should you not use a term other than ‘Camp of Saints’

    Very few Indians have inundated Europe- which mainly faces a black – islamic threat

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
    @rec1man

    It was North Africa former French colonies originally, but he changed it to Indians due to not being perceived as being anti-black or personal danger, I think.

  155. @Priss Factor
    Black Lives...

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-weekend-shooting-totals-20150921-story.html

    Replies: @Big Bill

    Your weblink headline: “2nd worst weekend of 2015 for Chicago gun violence: 8 dead, 45 wounded”.

    1. Why not tell the truth: “Second worst weekend for Chicago Negro Violence”.

    2. Rather than waste time on the Chicago papers, you can go straight to http://heyjackass.com. It shows the murder and shooting statistics with a very colorful and informative layout: maps, time series, photos, charts and graphs of every kind.

    • Replies: @Boomstick
    @Big Bill

    It's interesting that the survival rate is about 85%, probably because the weapons used are almost exclusively handguns. You wouldn't have that high of a survival rate with rifles or shotguns.

    I assume that the percentage of black assailants is higher than reported since most of the unsolved crimes are the result of idiotic drug and street violence, while more of the white murders are easily solved domestic violence cases and the like. Chicago's homicide clearance rate is 25%. Yikes. They're not solving many of them.

    Looks like the perps are shooting low. 914 hits on the lower body, vs. 924 on the head, torso, and arms. A random distribution based on surface area would argue for more torso hits.

  156. @george
    The flaw in the Australian plan is that as the refugees pile up in Burma and Indonesia they may make a flash mob type dash to Australia on mass instead of a few at a time. Sort of like the convoy system to defeat German U Boats. Once that happens they will make it to Australia.

    And there might not be enough concentration camps to hold them forever. From what I can see Israel is being forced to let their Africans infiltrators out, while they import 20,000 Chinese construction workers to build homes for Israeli Torah scholars. My guess is the Chinese construction workers will turn out not to be temporary. Frankly finding a good contractor is tuff especially for small jobs in out of the way places like Israel.

    Replies: @Big Bill

    And there might not be enough concentration camps to hold them forever. From what I can see Israel is being forced to let their Africans infiltrators out, while they import 20,000 Chinese construction workers to build homes for Israeli Torah scholars.

    That broke my heart when I read it last week. I do hope that Netanyahu manages to corral them again.

    Perhaps make criminal activity while a non-citizen to be an immediately deportable offense like Mexico does.

    Heck, do like the Mexico does and immediately gather up and expel any foreigner who politically demonstrates. Who says Mexicans cannot be a Light unto the Nations, too?

  157. @rvg
    @Sunbeam

    Does anyone here have any data on white collar crimes by race, such as wire fraud, tax evasion, or violating state and federal employment laws? Do high IQ people just commit more sophisticated crimes, hence they get caught less often. or they are smart enough to obey the letter of the law, so they will not get charged with a crime?

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Sunbeam

    “Does anyone here have any data on white collar crimes by race, such as wire fraud, tax evasion, or violating state and federal employment laws? Do high IQ people just commit more sophisticated crimes, hence they get caught less often. or they are smart enough to obey the letter of the law, so they will not get charged with a crime?”

    A Black FIFA World Cup official is going to do time in prison for taking illegal bribes. Wesley Snipes did time in prison for not paying his taxes.

    White collar crime is not as White as the media portrays it is, if you catch my drift.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Jefferson

    What is the racial composition of the trading desk at ubs? There are not many blacks there but plently of whites, East and south asians. What if your line of work deals with possible white collar crime?

  158. @rvg
    @Sunbeam

    Does anyone here have any data on white collar crimes by race, such as wire fraud, tax evasion, or violating state and federal employment laws? Do high IQ people just commit more sophisticated crimes, hence they get caught less often. or they are smart enough to obey the letter of the law, so they will not get charged with a crime?

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Sunbeam

    I’ll attempt to answer that. I won’t be giving you any stats, but plenty of sarcasm (though not directed at you).

    I suspect there is a good bit of “they are smart enough to obey the letter of the law, so they will not get charged with a crime?”

    And if anyone crunched the numbers I would not be at all surprised to see Asians (well chinese) over represented in white collar crime. They aren’t really penetrated into areas of the economy where they can get at the good stuff right now, but if the way they go in for food stamps, gaming the system for elder care, and similar things is any indication there is a big bulge of it heading down the pipeline.

    Anyway that is a non-pc two cents. I almost suspect Indians will be worse than this though. And both of those groups are primed to get spots that elite college attendance puts you in line for.

    Now as regards the rest of what you said. On this site, intelligence is godliness. It is the only good. It can be linked to whether you have the future time orientation to brush your teeth. Whether you are prone to being hung over and calling in sick.

    Whether you can control yourself such that you don’t rape anything in sight. Whether you are a screaming lunatic that exists only to kill and steal. All the while drinking Big Gulps and smoking Newports. Cause you just can’t help yourself see?

    And let us consider a hypothetical immigrant population. Let’s say they are well behaved, not violent, pleasant people that work well in groups. Work hard, industrious.

    Useless.

    It’s all Fields Medals and human achievement, all the way down. As Rickey Bobby said “If you ain’t first, you’re last.”

    The depressing thing is most of this can be backed up with statistics. Not my hypothetical population, because as nearly as I can tell the stats say if you are dumb you are violent. No exceptions.

    And my hypothetical population isn’t really of any use in this new world with it’s new economy. You can work your ass off, but if you are not intelligent the marginal utility of your labor is… zero.

    So you are probably better off with high IQ asian con men than some pleasant population of immigrants who are dumb (if they exist anywhere; think Amish might meet the requirement but according to Harpending they are the result of some accidental breeding program to produce placid cow people). Cause like I said: If you ain’t Fielding and Nobelling it, or writing classical music, or selling your startup for mega bucks…. well you ain’t sh*t no more.

    Anyway that is about all I got on this.

  159. @rvg
    Can anyone who has been to Daly explain why nonviolent crime has not fallen compared to violent crime this past decade? Btw why does everyone here ignore the potential of WASPS and East Asians to commit violence on an industrial scale, albeit in an organized manner? Does the Chinese warlord era or WW1 ring a bell? Even if you exclude WW2 as an outlier because of the Nazis.

    Replies: @Sunbeam, @The most deplorable one

    Because that isn’t the environment we live in right now.

    Most of the violence you see in the United States is street crime. You can kind of stretch it a little and consider organized groups like biker gangs and the other serious crime organizations. But the violence they perpetrate is dwarfed by good old muggings, rapes, and the more or less random incidents that are part and parcel of American life.

    The center is really going to have to fall apart before we start seeing that here, as has happened in some other countries over the years.

  160. @FactsAreImportant
    @Orthodox

    Spread rumors that immigrants are mysteriously becoming sterile.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Big Bill

    Why stop with impotence? Spread rumors about penis theft. There’s a lot of that going around in Africa these days.

    Google “africa penis theft shrink”

    Sometimes they disappear right away. Sometimes they just start shrinking.

  161. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @rvg
    Can anyone who has been to Daly explain why nonviolent crime has not fallen compared to violent crime this past decade? Btw why does everyone here ignore the potential of WASPS and East Asians to commit violence on an industrial scale, albeit in an organized manner? Does the Chinese warlord era or WW1 ring a bell? Even if you exclude WW2 as an outlier because of the Nazis.

    Replies: @Sunbeam, @The most deplorable one

    I’ve been to Daly Waters.

    Not sure what it has to do with IQ though.

    • Replies: @rvg
    @The most deplorable one

    Uhm if crime rates are dropping due to Asians, how come nonviolent crime is not showing a drop?

  162. @disambiguated
    Resettle them in Puerto Rico. They can re-populate it.

    I think the precipitating event will be an earthquake. They're well overdue for one . . .

    Replies: @Jason Roberts

    Resettle them in Wellesley, Georgetown, Manhattam, and San Francisco. Start a kickstarter campaign to buy homes in those neighborhoods. Don’t let them get away with profiting off their urban removal/renewal projects.

    • Replies: @Boomstick
    @Jason Roberts

    Alas, many of the elite are in a position to buy their way out of the public squalor their policies create.

  163. @Wilkey
    "What Plans Should America Have in Place to Stymie a Camp of the Saints Here?"

    Here's a suggestion which could help solve both the immigration problem and the budget deficit. Currently many if not most of our welfare programs are treated as entitlements. That means that if the number of food stamp recipients double, then so does the amount the government spends on food stamps. Welfare programs are treated like a supposedly bottomless pit of money.

    Instead, we should budget a specific amount of money for welfare benefits. If the number of people who qualify for a program goes up, then the value of the benefit for each family or individual goes down. That will incentivize poor voters to want to keep large numbers of other poor people from entering the country.

    Another option would be to create a separate income tax for welfare (and perhaps for every government department). Have it apply to every last penny of income, including capital gains, with no deductions. When the number of people using welfare goes up, so do everyone's taxes. When the value of welfare benefits go up, so do everyone's taxes.

    Our current income tax system is far too opaque, and effectively hides the cost of individual government programs from the taxpayers.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Lot, @BigGaySteve, @Name Withheld

    Refugees are exempt for any welfare restrictions on immigrants. Those 60,000 Mexican “children”, are all getting benefits including better medical care than corporate America is giving right now to the middle class. Of course, in states like New York, these restrictions on immigrants don’t seem to apply.

  164. @Chris Mallory
    @rvg

    American-Descendants of those British Protestants who founded the United States of America. Immigrants from other nations will always be invaders, never Americans.

    Replies: @EvolutionistX

    Are you kicking out the descendants of the founders of Maryland?

  165. @Clyde
    @Wilkey


    Either way, Australia’s legal immigration policies are already quite insane before you even begin to count potential boat people.
     
    What I hear is Australia is becoming Asian very fast via legal immigration. Asians from India, China, Burma, Thailand, Vietnam, every place in Asia but not as many from Muslim nations such as Afghanistan. Most have to pass skills tests? English proficiency? The best thing than can be said is that Australia is allowing in educated Asians while we are the dumping ground for Mexico, Central America and the 3rd world.

    I read some Australian propaganda that they must allow in so many Asians to keep ahead technologically. A very high number of Chinese go to university there (similar to the American situation) and how many will return home?

    Replies: @Wilkey, @dfordoom

    I read some Australian propaganda that they must allow in so many Asians to keep ahead technologically.

    That’s amusing. We’re basically a Third World country. I didn’t know we had any technology.

  166. @bomag
    @Buzz Baldrin

    ...renegotiating the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo.

    Wrong idea. They would be back for the rest in short order.

    We should militarily occupy the northern Mexican provinces and cut all ties and trade with that evil entity. Then we will have a militarized border where we can fight endless skirmishes. Good for the economy.

    Replies: @Buzz Baldrin, @Anonym

    It would be best to push them down past a short defensible choke point, like the Coatzacoalcos River or the Panama canal.

  167. @Jefferson
    @rvg

    "Does anyone here have any data on white collar crimes by race, such as wire fraud, tax evasion, or violating state and federal employment laws? Do high IQ people just commit more sophisticated crimes, hence they get caught less often. or they are smart enough to obey the letter of the law, so they will not get charged with a crime?"

    A Black FIFA World Cup official is going to do time in prison for taking illegal bribes. Wesley Snipes did time in prison for not paying his taxes.

    White collar crime is not as White as the media portrays it is, if you catch my drift.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    What is the racial composition of the trading desk at ubs? There are not many blacks there but plently of whites, East and south asians. What if your line of work deals with possible white collar crime?

  168. @Wilkey
    @anon

    "There should be emphasis that it’s minorities who are at risk of genocide that should rightfully have first priority as refugees."

    Over the course of a few decades, the number of people belonging to "minorities" who are "at risk of genocide" will come to number in the hundreds of millions. Are we obliged to take all of them in?

    Replies: @ben tillman

    Over the course of a few decades, the number of people belonging to “minorities” who are “at risk of genocide” will come to number in the hundreds of millions. Are we obliged to take all of them in?

    We? Are *we* obliged?

    In two decades *we* will be a minority at risk of genocide.

  169. @AndrewR
    @rvg

    Probably the same way most folks do. Few people buy into your apparent belief that only White Aryan Übermenschen can be considered American.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    Probably the same way most folks do. Few people buy into your apparent belief that only White Aryan Übermenschen can be considered American.

    That belief was not apparent. In fact, you’re interpretation is almost certainly wrong, which suggests that you’re the one with a chip on your shoulder. An “American” can mean a lot of things.

    • Replies: @rvg
    @ben tillman

    ISIL can have a mulatto America for US$5.59 excluding GST?

  170. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Perhaps a new rule/law: if you can identify and turn in an illegal, you can have his job (whether or not he’s deported). Add as many limits as you like, such as you must be vaguely qualified, or trainable, to do the job.

    My reasoning: Flash mobs go to a particular spot because that spot seems more attractive than all the other options (usually by offering more welfare or by offering jobs, but there could be other reasons). Also, the rush is because there’s this notion that all you have to do is cross the fence and then they have to keep you: once you’re in you’re in. They can’t kick you out weeks, months, or years later.

    My idea only affects the ‘jobs’ part of that. But it would hopefully make ‘here’ seem not-so-inviting via both word-of-mouth and social media:

    An unemployed person looking for work has an especially strong incentive to care about ‘immigrants’ taking jobs. With that incentive, they might become remarkably effective detectives. Stories of the heroic lengths people went to to get their own jobs back would doubtless flood social media, and so would tragic stories of uprooted lives from the illegals. It would especially make getting here seem like much less of a fait-accompli.

    Such a rule wouldn’t appeal only to the unemployed either — remember, there are many people who are ‘qualified for’ much better jobs than the ones they have now.

    And it would affect employers’ decisions too. The threat of some vile person coming along and forcing their way into the job might discourage them from winking at obviously falsified paperwork in the first place.

    Also consider the risks to racially-biased family businesses — they might find it harder to import and hire their cousin from back home instead of hiring locals. That’s hardly enough to stop chain-migration, but it would interfere somewhat.

  171. @Jason Roberts
    @disambiguated

    Resettle them in Wellesley, Georgetown, Manhattam, and San Francisco. Start a kickstarter campaign to buy homes in those neighborhoods. Don't let them get away with profiting off their urban removal/renewal projects.

    Replies: @Boomstick

    Alas, many of the elite are in a position to buy their way out of the public squalor their policies create.

  172. @rec1man
    Steve, should you not use a term other than 'Camp of Saints'

    Very few Indians have inundated Europe- which mainly faces a black - islamic threat

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome

    It was North Africa former French colonies originally, but he changed it to Indians due to not being perceived as being anti-black or personal danger, I think.

  173. @Big Bill
    @Priss Factor

    Your weblink headline: "2nd worst weekend of 2015 for Chicago gun violence: 8 dead, 45 wounded".

    1. Why not tell the truth: "Second worst weekend for Chicago Negro Violence".

    2. Rather than waste time on the Chicago papers, you can go straight to http://heyjackass.com. It shows the murder and shooting statistics with a very colorful and informative layout: maps, time series, photos, charts and graphs of every kind.

    Replies: @Boomstick

    It’s interesting that the survival rate is about 85%, probably because the weapons used are almost exclusively handguns. You wouldn’t have that high of a survival rate with rifles or shotguns.

    I assume that the percentage of black assailants is higher than reported since most of the unsolved crimes are the result of idiotic drug and street violence, while more of the white murders are easily solved domestic violence cases and the like. Chicago’s homicide clearance rate is 25%. Yikes. They’re not solving many of them.

    Looks like the perps are shooting low. 914 hits on the lower body, vs. 924 on the head, torso, and arms. A random distribution based on surface area would argue for more torso hits.

  174. What makes you people think that Fiorina can not win the nomination?

  175. @The most deplorable one
    @rvg

    I've been to Daly Waters.

    Not sure what it has to do with IQ though.

    Replies: @rvg

    Uhm if crime rates are dropping due to Asians, how come nonviolent crime is not showing a drop?

  176. Speaking of Australia (?)
    I doubt any Government will change the current current system of Closing down illegal immigration .
    It is just too popular with the ( silent ) majority to drastically change this policy .
    Mind you it needed an Abbott to actually implement it in the first place .
    Now the topic is largely off the table and no one -well almost no one – wants to replicate the Current European Experience

    The real issue in immigration in Australia is Asian migration -although unlike the US and Canada there is still substantial white immigration ( it is only in the last decade that white migration became the minority ) Muslim and African immigration is small -although of course they are very very visible . Mind you the total amount of immigration is stupidly large -about 1% of population . And then there are the “temporary ” workers and “students “. Whole industries are dependent on this cohort

    Much of the Asian cohort really want to live like white people (well, perhaps unfortunately for some, the upper middle class professional sort of white people- which does rather result in whites being squeezed out of the well paid traditional professions )

    There is a fair bit of mixing between old whites and new North east Asians – well among the young anyway-you see mixed groups everywhere . And NE Asian women hardly breed (” no point having children unless you have a perfect partner-sorry husband – and can be guaranteed perfect children” )

    It may not turn out as bad as some here think . Of course it would be nice if only white Christian(ish) high IQ individuals could breed . Why aren’t people working on this ?

    • Replies: @rvg
    @sb

    Australia really does not have a culture unless you call alcoholism and meth culture as a culture.

    , @rvg
    @sb

    How do you define want to live like white people? What are the metrics? Because people claim the MENA people do not integrate, but when you step out into a European city, 98% of the MENA male people there wear a t-shirt and jeans, instead of ISlamic clothing, and most MENA immigrants to Europe seem to emulate hip hop culture, which is American, rather than a strictly Islamic culture. What most people here do not get even that even Islamists want Western goods like ice cream, sports cars, IPads, Nike rubber shoes, and IPhones. And how do you define Western culture, will someone here seriously claim that hip hop and gangster rap is African culture?

    Replies: @Sunbeam

  177. @ben tillman
    @AndrewR


    Probably the same way most folks do. Few people buy into your apparent belief that only White Aryan Übermenschen can be considered American.
     
    That belief was not apparent. In fact, you're interpretation is almost certainly wrong, which suggests that you're the one with a chip on your shoulder. An "American" can mean a lot of things.

    Replies: @rvg

    ISIL can have a mulatto America for US$5.59 excluding GST?

  178. @AnAnon
    We have roughly a century of stockpiled firepower, and defense comes down to being willing to use that. A wall or fence is no good if we won't defend it, the law meaningless if we won't enforce it. If instead our people are really determined to give their nation away, it really doesn't matter what the plans are for that. I suppose education about the camp of the saints, and demographics and what they really mean would prove useful, but that is too racist to work.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    I suppose education about the camp of the saints, and demographics and what they really mean would prove useful, but that is too racist to work.

    What would really prove useful is education that includes an emphasis on Salter’s concept of EGI and his “child equivalents”.

    https://majorityrights.com/images/uploads/EGI.pdf

    Let us consider other examples. What if the immigrants were Bantus – a population very genetically distant from the English – rather than Danes? Here the genetic cost to any given Englishman of the arrival of 10,000 Bantus is the equivalent of 10,854 lost children! Clearly, the extent of the genetic transformation of a population depends on the genetic distance between the native and immigrant populations.

    What if the levels of immigration were greater, and more in keeping with the massive displacement of Western peoples we observe today? If 12.5 million Englishmen were replaced by an equal number of Danes, the genetic loss to each individual Englishman would be the equivalent of 209,000 children not born; if the immigrants were from India, the loss would be 2.6 million children; if the immigrants were Bantus, 13 million. These figures are not “guesses;” they are objective, mathematical results based on genetic data. As stated above, these figures likely underestimate the real genetic damage. It is also important to stress that this loss is not somehow reduced by being spread over the entire native population. The loss in terms of genetic equivalents reflects the change in population from the point of view of every member of the native populace. Dr. Salter writes: “For a native woman it is equivalent to the loss of her children and grandchildren, for a native man it is equivalent to the loss of his children and grandchildren, though on a much larger scale” (emphasis in original paper).

    To further illustrate these points Salter then determines the number of immigrants of group y necessary to reduce the genetic interests of a random member of native group x by one child equivalent. For Europeans, an average of only 1.1 African or 1.7 Northeast Asian immigrants is sufficient for the loss of one child equivalent. In other words, using conservative genetic data that likely underestimate these effects, the presence of about one African, or about two Northeast Asians, damages the genetic interests of a typical white (i.e., of European ancestry) person to a degree equivalent to that of losing a child. This is a powerful and personal argument against racially alien immigration and against a multiracial society.

  179. @sb
    Speaking of Australia (?)
    I doubt any Government will change the current current system of Closing down illegal immigration .
    It is just too popular with the ( silent ) majority to drastically change this policy .
    Mind you it needed an Abbott to actually implement it in the first place .
    Now the topic is largely off the table and no one -well almost no one - wants to replicate the Current European Experience

    The real issue in immigration in Australia is Asian migration -although unlike the US and Canada there is still substantial white immigration ( it is only in the last decade that white migration became the minority ) Muslim and African immigration is small -although of course they are very very visible . Mind you the total amount of immigration is stupidly large -about 1% of population . And then there are the "temporary " workers and "students ". Whole industries are dependent on this cohort

    Much of the Asian cohort really want to live like white people (well, perhaps unfortunately for some, the upper middle class professional sort of white people- which does rather result in whites being squeezed out of the well paid traditional professions )

    There is a fair bit of mixing between old whites and new North east Asians - well among the young anyway-you see mixed groups everywhere . And NE Asian women hardly breed (" no point having children unless you have a perfect partner-sorry husband - and can be guaranteed perfect children" )

    It may not turn out as bad as some here think . Of course it would be nice if only white Christian(ish) high IQ individuals could breed . Why aren't people working on this ?

    Replies: @rvg, @rvg

    Australia really does not have a culture unless you call alcoholism and meth culture as a culture.

  180. @sb
    Speaking of Australia (?)
    I doubt any Government will change the current current system of Closing down illegal immigration .
    It is just too popular with the ( silent ) majority to drastically change this policy .
    Mind you it needed an Abbott to actually implement it in the first place .
    Now the topic is largely off the table and no one -well almost no one - wants to replicate the Current European Experience

    The real issue in immigration in Australia is Asian migration -although unlike the US and Canada there is still substantial white immigration ( it is only in the last decade that white migration became the minority ) Muslim and African immigration is small -although of course they are very very visible . Mind you the total amount of immigration is stupidly large -about 1% of population . And then there are the "temporary " workers and "students ". Whole industries are dependent on this cohort

    Much of the Asian cohort really want to live like white people (well, perhaps unfortunately for some, the upper middle class professional sort of white people- which does rather result in whites being squeezed out of the well paid traditional professions )

    There is a fair bit of mixing between old whites and new North east Asians - well among the young anyway-you see mixed groups everywhere . And NE Asian women hardly breed (" no point having children unless you have a perfect partner-sorry husband - and can be guaranteed perfect children" )

    It may not turn out as bad as some here think . Of course it would be nice if only white Christian(ish) high IQ individuals could breed . Why aren't people working on this ?

    Replies: @rvg, @rvg

    How do you define want to live like white people? What are the metrics? Because people claim the MENA people do not integrate, but when you step out into a European city, 98% of the MENA male people there wear a t-shirt and jeans, instead of ISlamic clothing, and most MENA immigrants to Europe seem to emulate hip hop culture, which is American, rather than a strictly Islamic culture. What most people here do not get even that even Islamists want Western goods like ice cream, sports cars, IPads, Nike rubber shoes, and IPhones. And how do you define Western culture, will someone here seriously claim that hip hop and gangster rap is African culture?

    • Replies: @Sunbeam
    @rvg

    "What most people here do not get even that even Islamists want Western goods like ice cream, sports cars, IPads, Nike rubber shoes, and IPhones."

    What does that have to do with anything? If they want these things, let them want them in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen, wherever.

    Of course they may want these things. But that's it. They don't want any of the other bric a brac laying around like reciprocal altruism, religious tolerance, egalitarianism towards women, secularism, etc.

    "And how do you define Western culture, will someone here seriously claim that hip hop and gangster rap is African culture?"

    Yes. At least the culture of the displaced Africans in the United States.

  181. MENA people are a big problem in Australia -the Muslim MENA people that is .They do keep employment high in the (so called ) criminal justice industry however .
    There are plenty of Christian MENA people in Australia who were until recently (?) a majority of MENA in Australia . They have been no problem .
    Be interesting to see the makeup of Syrians accepted into Aust .
    Government wants bourgeois Christian families but bet aid agencies want mainly Muslim .

    I was thinking of stuff like parent involvement in kid’s schools, sport , scouts and the like .The whole volunteer society thing ( non ethnic/multicultural division ) which makes the world go around
    Plenty of NE Asian parents – and some other Asian- involvement – there .
    Remember Buddhism is the biggest non Christian religion in Australia .

    • Replies: @rvg
    @sb

    Are top Australian universities like top American universities where nonacademic activities are as important as academic activities in whether you get in or not?

    , @rvg
    @sb

    To be frank 99% of those MENA people are just using religion as a veneer, their behavior has more to do with gangster rap than Islam.

  182. @rvg
    @sb

    How do you define want to live like white people? What are the metrics? Because people claim the MENA people do not integrate, but when you step out into a European city, 98% of the MENA male people there wear a t-shirt and jeans, instead of ISlamic clothing, and most MENA immigrants to Europe seem to emulate hip hop culture, which is American, rather than a strictly Islamic culture. What most people here do not get even that even Islamists want Western goods like ice cream, sports cars, IPads, Nike rubber shoes, and IPhones. And how do you define Western culture, will someone here seriously claim that hip hop and gangster rap is African culture?

    Replies: @Sunbeam

    “What most people here do not get even that even Islamists want Western goods like ice cream, sports cars, IPads, Nike rubber shoes, and IPhones.”

    What does that have to do with anything? If they want these things, let them want them in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen, wherever.

    Of course they may want these things. But that’s it. They don’t want any of the other bric a brac laying around like reciprocal altruism, religious tolerance, egalitarianism towards women, secularism, etc.

    “And how do you define Western culture, will someone here seriously claim that hip hop and gangster rap is African culture?”

    Yes. At least the culture of the displaced Africans in the United States.

  183. @sb
    MENA people are a big problem in Australia -the Muslim MENA people that is .They do keep employment high in the (so called ) criminal justice industry however .
    There are plenty of Christian MENA people in Australia who were until recently (?) a majority of MENA in Australia . They have been no problem .
    Be interesting to see the makeup of Syrians accepted into Aust .
    Government wants bourgeois Christian families but bet aid agencies want mainly Muslim .

    I was thinking of stuff like parent involvement in kid's schools, sport , scouts and the like .The whole volunteer society thing ( non ethnic/multicultural division ) which makes the world go around
    Plenty of NE Asian parents - and some other Asian- involvement - there .
    Remember Buddhism is the biggest non Christian religion in Australia .

    Replies: @rvg, @rvg

    Are top Australian universities like top American universities where nonacademic activities are as important as academic activities in whether you get in or not?

  184. @sb
    MENA people are a big problem in Australia -the Muslim MENA people that is .They do keep employment high in the (so called ) criminal justice industry however .
    There are plenty of Christian MENA people in Australia who were until recently (?) a majority of MENA in Australia . They have been no problem .
    Be interesting to see the makeup of Syrians accepted into Aust .
    Government wants bourgeois Christian families but bet aid agencies want mainly Muslim .

    I was thinking of stuff like parent involvement in kid's schools, sport , scouts and the like .The whole volunteer society thing ( non ethnic/multicultural division ) which makes the world go around
    Plenty of NE Asian parents - and some other Asian- involvement - there .
    Remember Buddhism is the biggest non Christian religion in Australia .

    Replies: @rvg, @rvg

    To be frank 99% of those MENA people are just using religion as a veneer, their behavior has more to do with gangster rap than Islam.

  185. @Orthodox
    Use propaganda. The South Americans seem more susceptible to superstition and rumors. Organ harvesting by coyotes, Americans murdering migrants and facing no punishment, Satanic worship on the rise, etc. You'd have to mix and match to see what would work. The liberal media will repeat any rumor that sounds scary and racist. It wouldn't be hard to hoax em'.

    Replies: @FactsAreImportant, @Hail

    Instead, just start circulating stories of mass deportations, fingerprinting with a ten year entry ban and lifetime ban for repeat offenders, along with financial penalties — After arrest, the illegal must pay all likely back taxes he’d have owed before his own deportation, with imprisonment if he be unable or unwilling to pay.

    Self deportation would begin, and immediately far fewer would come over. The answer is to unwaveringly support an aggressive and highly public deportation policy. Trump is the only major political figure doing so in perhaps sixty years.

    At the debate, somebody, I think Chris Christie, mocked as impossible the deportation of 10,000 a day for five years, but most would self-deport if the USA began an actual crackdown.

  186. Something in John Derbyshire’s comment #75 is breaking the proper display of this page for me on Windows/Chrome. After that the comments are no longer numbered and the comment highlighting and new comment feature are gone.

  187. We have 1,000 camps of the saints here already. Somalis in Columbus, Hmong in Minnesota, Muslims in Michigan, Cubans in Florida and hordes of Mexicans, Central and South Americans in our Southwestern states (and spreading nationally).

  188. Must counteract the schools and MSM propaganda and somehow educate the American public about true Islam, its goals, methods as well as its abominable history and current practice of slavery so to change the general mindset from P.C. welcoming and curious to something more appropriate.
    Ending any and all incentives and gifts to newcomers and other non citizens as well as making all communications in English only so that if one doesn’t speak fluent English they can’t reside here
    Requiring any new residents live in isolated areas in small numbers for a period of say 20 years, after which time they can be considered for citizenship if they have zero police record. Also, no drivers license until citizenship. Any arrest for any offense is automatic deportation. They must pay a higher tax rate as well until citizenship. No birthright citizenship. No more mosques are to be built and none shall be repaired and no calling to prayer by use of any aid to amplify the single human voice.
    Encourage Americans to shun Muslims, encourage anti Islamic art contests, and encourage the breeding and free roaming of black dogs and enact stiff penalty of automatic deportation for any Muslim harming a dog. Four non Muslim witnesses shall be required to counter any charge of a Muslim harming a dog.
    In general, just give it back to them in spades.

  189. Give away free land in Detroit to anyone who wants it. The cost is you have to help build the wall around Detroit’s free market zone before you get your free plot of land.

  190. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Big bill
    @Anonymous

    In a nutshell! The Refugee treaty was institutionalized Holocaust guilt combined with moral preening after Nuremberg to prove we were "different" and "better".

    But remember, shortly before the UN refugee treaty we were uprooting Germans from all over Eurasia, taking their property and forcing them back to Germany. And that expulsion included huge number of "Germans" who were themselves refugees from a previous oppressive German regime. Heck, some of the "Germans" forced back to Germany had been living as refugees in other countries for several hundred years.

    My takeaway: ethnic cleansing of refugees--even refugees from hundreds of years before--is perfectly compatible with the UN refugee treaty.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    The Volksdeutche weren’t refugees from previous oppressive German regimes. In some cases they were invited to settle, in others (e.g. the Baltic states), German merchants and tradesment accompanied Germanic conquerors. As late as the 18th century, Catherine the Great, herself a German petty princess by birth, invited Germans to settle in Russia.

  191. Subtlety is overrated, but I’ll try. The government’s Spanish language requirement forces us to use children of illegal aliens to police illegal aliens, which is incredibly foolish. My proposal is to fire all current employees of ICE and the Border Patrol and replace them with blacks who speak no language but Ebonics. Cruelty to illegal entrants would still be against government policy, but unofficial cruelty would the rule rather than the exception. All illegal entrants would be robbed of any valuables they might be carrying. All female illegal entrants would be raped, as would some of the male illegal entrants on slow days. Illegal entrants in detention centers would not be fed; the blacks having stolen their food. No member of our Marxist press would dare criticize the black ICE and Border Patrol employees. An additional benefit is that black thugs torturing illegal entrants on the border would not be shooting up our cities.

  192. @jJay
    The enemy is already within the gates. I suggest we start by allowing college tuition debt to be discharged through bankruptcy. The cultural marxist indoctrination centers have to go away.

    Don't fence me in just yet!

    Replies: @Former Darfur

    Make college tuition repayable over a lifetime, but at a fixed rate to income so that unless the graduate is in a pretty high income bracket it will never be repaid. A surgeon making a quarter mil would repay his med school and college by 40. Most liberal arts grads would die “owing” a bunch, which would be discharged at death. Most non-elite business and liberal arts college would be replaced by vo tech and paraprofessional education.

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