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David Frum interviews Barry Latzer, a professor at CUNY, in The Atlantic:

The Cultural Roots of Crime
A conversation about the rise and fall of violence in America with criminal-justice scholar Barry Latzer.

DAVID FRUM JUN 19, 2016 POLITICS

Barry Latzer is that rare academic with both practical and theoretical knowledge of his subject matter. He prosecuted and defended accused criminals while teaching at the City University of New York graduate center and John Jay College of Criminal Justice. His new book, The Rise and Fall of Violent Crime in America, makes use of more than a century of crime statistics to sum up the wisdom of a long career studying why crime waves rise and fall. It’s a book that does not shy from the controversial, as you’ll see from our conversation.

David Frum: Your book ends with the ominous possibility that the great crime reduction since the early 1990s is not a permanent transition, but just a temporary trough in a recurring cycle of crime spikes and crime drop-offs. Could you briefly explain the basis of this worrying claim?

Barry Latzer: The optimistic view is that the late ‘60s crime tsunami, which ended in the mid-1990s, was sui generis, and we are now in a period of “permanent peace,” with low crime for the foreseeable future. Pessimists rely on the late Eric Monkkonen’s cyclical theory of crime, which suggests that the successive weakening and strengthening of social controls on violence lead to a crime roller coaster. The current zeitgeist favors a weakening of social controls, including reductions in incarcerative sentences and restrictions on police, on the grounds that the criminal-justice system is too racist, unfair, and expensive. If Monkkonen were correct, we will get a crime rise before long. Optimists point to the absence of factors that brought on the 60s crime boom: no immigration or migration of high-crime populations, no demographic upsurge in the youth population. They might also add: continued movement of minorities to the middle class, and no drug epidemics (like crack cocaine) among poor populations, which generate spikes in violent crime. (The current heroin/opioid crisis is unlikely to produce significant violent crime so long as the drugs are cheap and the users relatively affluent. Drug and alcohol prohibitions produce violence in two ways: where distribution gangs compete for territory and kill one another, and where poor populations are unable to support their addictions, leading to robbery and other crimes to raise money.)

I’m more optimistic about crime. Americans have invested enormously over the last two generations in crime-proofing themselves, as I pointed out 8 years ago. There are probably more anti-crime innovations possible. Moreover, today’s liberals are more hypocritical than Warren Court Era liberals were (that’s a good thing).

Frum: Maybe we can get some perspective on today’s crime situation by more closely examining the previous peak, 1890-1935, and the previous plunge, 1935-1965. Why in your estimation did crime spike so high in that first period and drop so deep in the second?

Latzer: I wouldn’t date the start of the first 20th century crime boom at 1890. The 1890s were a low-crime period in the big cities of the North. In the South, however, black violent crime rose and rural whites panicked, leading to the lynching and convict lease policies of that era. Northern cities started to suffer more violent crime in the first decade of the 20th century, partly because of the southern Italian migration to the U.S. The typical Italian immigrant crimes were murder, assault and threats of same by the so-called Black Hand, a proto-Mafia which mainly terrified the immigrants themselves. Then, following World War I, a Mexican migration to the U.S. added to the crime totals, as did a major spike in black migration out of the South. The war sparked a black movement to big cities for economic betterment, but, unfortunately, also brought with it high crime rates within the black community. In addition, Prohibition, which began in 1920, produced violence among the alcohol distribution gangs competing for turf (though this violence did not target ordinary citizens).

Violent crime peaked in the early 1930s, with a wave of bank robberies by “Pretty Boy” Floyd, “Baby Face” Nelson, John Dillinger, and Bonnie and Clyde Barrow. This was accompanied by the sensational kidnap-murder of the Lindbergh baby in 1932 and a spate of copycat kidnappings. J. Edgar Hoover made his name by directing the Federal Bureau of Investigation to hunt down and capture or kill these “Public Enemies,” as he labeled them, and by 1934 the FBI or local agents had successfully done so with each of them.

Crime rates started to decline in the mid-1930s, at the same time that the New Deal went into effect. This may seem like cause-and-effect: unemployment and poverty were reduced, so violent crime diminished. But this is not necessarily correct. First, Prohibition ended in 1933, and that helped reduce murder rates. Second, the spate of bank robberies and kidnappings declined, partly because law enforcement apprehended high-profile perpetrators. Third, migration by blacks and Mexicans and immigration by Italians declined dramatically when jobs became unavailable due to the Depression. Finally, there was a severe downturn in the economy in 1937 and 1938, yet violent crime continued to fall. The American public was terribly damaged by the Great Depression—68 percent of Americans were below the poverty line in 1939—but this produced no increase in violent crime.

During World War II, crime continued to drop, partly because the war removed hundreds of thousands of young men from the streets to the barracks. When the war ended there was a brief spike in violent crime, but the downturn continued after the war and well into the postwar boom of the 1950s. No one is sure why crime remained low in the 1950s, but several factors helped. Crime rates for African Americans, though higher than average, were historically low for that community. Drug and alcohol use also were down. The Depression had produced a birth dearth, so the young male population was reduced. And the supercharged economy created a massive and growing middle class in a short period of time; and middle-class people seldom commit crimes of violence. All in all, the 1950s was a golden age of low crime.

 

 
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  1. “no immigration or migration of high-crime populations”(!!!)

    “Violent crime peaked in the early 1930s” — obviously

  2. No one is sure why crime remained low in the 1950s

    Could perchance the Trumpesque Immigration restriction act of 1924 feeding through, have been a smidgen of a factor?

    • Replies: @Njguy73
    @NickG



    No one is sure why crime remained low in the 1950s
     
    Could perchance the Trumpesque Immigration restriction act of 1924 feeding through, have been a smidgen of a factor?
     
    No.

    Absolutely not.

    In no way, shape, or form.

    Keep moving on.

    You heard nothing.
  3. “Moreover, today’s liberals are more hypocritical that Warren Court Era liberals were (that’s a good thing).”

    They do tend to be hypocritical when it comes to crime, for their own enclaves but not for the rest of the US.

    With policies such as HUDs newly implemented forced Section 8 housing into more and more middle class neighborhoods on the grounds that such places are ipso facto racist, wouldn’t that tend to spike crime rates in those heretofore low crime areas?

    Also, Latzer seems oblivious to the potential risks of importing immigrants from high crime areas, from the third world in particular and from Islamic societies in general. European cities have no go zones and Malmo is the first world’s rape capital. If the US continues in this vein, to import such people groups into the nation, wouldn’t that affect long term crime rates?

    Perhaps it is time to consider that while Levit’s Freakonomics argument, that abortion helped to cut the crime rate (particularly in the African-American community) while perhaps the theory was overemphasized, maybe wasn’t so far fetched in long term. In other words, suppose more clinics were built in the inner cities/urban centers on a magnitude never seen before. That might tend to raise the total abortions per yr, particularly among the poor, and therefore over time, would tend to directly affect the annual crime rate. If fewer people are born, that would tend to lower crime totals overall (at least eventually it would within say, about a generation or so). I think it was mentioned here some months ago that in CO some cities are experimenting with subsidizing poor people in exchange for sterilization or agreeing not to have children. Perhaps a form of Norplant/forced sterilization is what the Left has in mind with regards to keeping the crime rates low and in fact they may have to consider it as a viable option, especially if they persist in supporting massive immigration from the third world as well as policies as HUD’s Section 8s being built in middle class suburban areas.

    In this sense, abortion may slowly come to have more bipartisan support than it currently enjoys. I mean, one way to reduce the total population is thru more abortions which would ultimately effect many things in life including the total numbers of crime committed per yr as fewer people born to various high crime groups commit fewer crimes since they aren’t being born to commit the crimes.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    I grew up in lower middle class white neighborhoods in Philadelphia and I can remember forced Section 8 and block busting back then (indeed it is in some ways the story of my first 18 years or so, picking up and moving to a new neighborhood and eventually over the City Line to avoid the attendant social pathologies). Those areas that get a dose of fresh vibrancy will experience an interregnum of high crime before those ho can get out will get out. Those who couldn't get out (and their children) will often adapt to the new norms and become part of the underclass until that area becomes the de facto ghetto that the program was purporting to solve. (I also don't think it's a coincidence that moving NAMs to suburbs clears out the abandoned neighborhoods close to City centers for gentrification and redevelopment, keeping college educated (white) young people in an adolescent stasis and delaying or preventing maturation to a more conservative outlook).

    Additionally, we're probably failing to understand the mindset as it is of underclass girls and women having bastards - I don't think they're mistakes in the way a college girl getting pregnant is and I think many babies brought to full term are done intentionally. The same girl could alternate abortions and live births with what doesn't seem to the outsider to be much rhyme or reason, but having had several abortions one must conclude that there is no moral objection and therefore the babies brought to term are for a purpose. In my understanding, the first live birth is usually a rite of passage into young adulthood, a stand-in for graduation/first job/marriage. It's often a way to cement a sexual relationship and attempt to "claim" a boy with a biological tie (which rarely succeeds).

  4. Wait a second. “…no immigration or migration of high crime populations”?

    • Replies: @J1234
    @Discard


    Wait a second. “…no immigration or migration of high crime populations”?
     
    Yeah, a lot of what Barry Latzer says is true, but that statement is way off the mark. Central America has the highest murder rate on the planet. And a lot of US immigrants coming from...where ? Maybe he buys into the Ron Unz myth that modern latino immigrants aren't any more violent than anyone else.

    On the other hand, this is first qualified academic I've come across brave enough to say that the lynching of blacks in the South 100+ years ago was largely a response to a dramatic increase in violent crime among Southern blacks. I'm not sure why violent crime among blacks dropped after WW2. It's possible that the threat of extralegal retribution was a factor. Hard to know, though.

    Replies: @LondonBob

  5. “I’m more optimistic about crime.”

    I dunno … the increasing diversity, much of it being highly sectarian, coupled with earnest moves to disarm the innocent populace do not bode well for us.

  6. The disparate impact of abortion on demand has played a part. It is guaranteed that no aborted fetus ever went on to a life of crime.

  7. The Depression had produced a birth dearth, so the young male population was reduced. And the supercharged economy created a massive and growing middle class in a short period of time; and middle-class people seldom commit crimes of violence. All in all, the 1950s was a golden age of low crime.

    Demographic materialism a la Gunnar Heinsohn explains more than anyone dreamt.

  8. “but if hatians have low rates of crime, what other explanation could there be”

    well I’m not really sure in that case.

    But of course Hatians in Haiti and Hatians in America actually do have incredibly high rates of violent crime. So there is that.

    • Replies: @Louis Renault
    @JsP

    Haitians in Haiti also successfully threw out the French in 1804 culminating killing all the men, women and children who didn't flee. But that is a genocide that doesn't count.

  9. I have a black internet friend who’s a sociologist who I used to debate with over critical race theory and causes of crime.

    I found it interesting that every time I would point out to him that crime was at a twenty yr low and yet the number of cops kept going up he would tell me they dont need law enforcement layoffs. Given that he had a habit of beething about racism and the cops i figured he’d want our convict population and especially the black convict population reduced and the police state shrunk as it targeted his community but no.

    He was cool with an overpriced police state.

    He just thought he could reform the system somehow.

    Every time I pointed out the aging population and demographics as being the main motivator behind the massive reduction in crime he would squirm and blow me off.

    Americans seem to have a visceral hatred of the concept that arcane ambiguous forces like demographics or environmental forces could be behind crime trends.

    They hate the nature side over nurture. To them everything is choice and all one has to do is change one’s ways to stop being a crook.

    That arcane, dark naturalistic and mechanistic forces like population structure or age dynamics could explain human choice drives them crazy.

    They want crime to be about choice, not nature. This really boils down to nature vs nurture and they hate that people may be born with certain genetic, environmental, or situational circumstances outside of their comtrol. To them it’s about choice, not circumstances.

    Modern Americans are the opposite of the early 20th century mechanistic view of the social sciences and medicine/psychiatry

    • Replies: @Marc
    @Neoconned

    "They hate the nature side over nurture. To them everything is choice and all one has to do is change one’s ways to stop being a crook".

    It's difficult to inculcate populations with the various flavors of Leftism until they accept nurture being the dominant force in outcomes of the human experience. The bulk of Twentieth Century social engineering was designed to convince the West that the fruit did fall far from the tree.

  10. The Depression had produced a birth dearth, so the young male population was reduced.

    More evidence that demography is destiny.

    When there are more resources available per young man, they are usefully occupied and can channel their energy into socially constructive activities.

    When you’ve got more young men than opportunities, then you have to ship them off to Europe where they rape their way into the hearts and minds of the populace.

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
    @bomag


    .. more young men than opportunities, then you have to ship them off to Europe where they rape their way into the hearts and minds of the populace
     
    Only if you feed, clothe, and doctor them when they're sick. These people have one overriding characteristic. Epic Fail. It's what they're running away from. Themselves, and their own incompetence.
    I doubt they could grow a cabbage or catch a mackerel, never mind work a Northern European farm all year. And they're already mostly illiterate, even in their own languages.
    General Winter has seen off more than one all-conquering warrior tsunami. Was it a wet season in Hungary that did for the Golden Horde?
    I think the (soon-to-be rump) EU should enact a directive in case of war, forbidding the payment of child benefit, soup kitchens and free medicines to any invading armies. And in particular, stop asking EU youth to donate massive blood transfusions to sadly injured jihadis ...
    ... I'll not hold me breath.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @bomag


    More evidence that demography is destiny.
     
    The Byzantines demonstrated that the contradiction of your assertion worked for a millennium. Study the Byzantines, and profit from their experience.

    Replies: @The most deplorable one, @Hippopotamusdrome

  11. It’d be kind of funny to see how they hacked out a study showing Miami Hatians aren’t violent. (Or ever werent–their reputation was never good on this front)

    Cherry picking zip codes with some small hatian elite? bad sample size?

    The conclusion is complete nonsense, of course. Fortunately for us there’s a neighborhood called “little Haiti” in Miami with a few zip codes. Feel free to do your own googling. Results are predictably like this: “Little Haiti is safer than 2% of the cities in the Florida.”

  12. From somebody who makes it his business to dig into these things, crime and gang activity in Atlanta is increasing and the statistics are being gamed. But this is secondhand so I don’t know for certain. It does seem like more criminality is popping up in nice areas of town.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    As a resident of one of the fastest growing, (for the last 2 decades), suburbs outside of ATL, I listen to local radio, read the local paper, (Not the ATL Urinal & Constipation), and keep a kind of mental tally of #S and types of local crime. One thing to note, the Hispanic pop in my county is legally 47%, and DEFINITELY an additional 10%. Oxycodone/Heroin/Meth/weed arrests are through the roof, and more violent type attacks and assaults as well. Interestingly, it seems to shake out by race fairly well, with white kids sharing oxycodone & weed arrests with blacks, meth is mostly white, heroin predominantly brown for large amounts, white and black for smaller amounts in HS & college age kids. As for the more violent crimes of assaults & physical attacks, etc., even with their lower 9% of pop in the county, account for about 50% of the crimes, with brown coming in around 30% & white around 20%. Keep in mind, these are just back of the envelope, running tab in my head kind of figures, but I'd say they were pretty accurate.
    The crime and drug arrests in this area has gotten dramatically worse in the last 5-7 yrs.

  13. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Despite all the mafia ballyhoo, was crime perpetrated by Italians in the USA ever, in any way shape or form, even on the same scale of magnitude as black perpetrated crime? Mexicans are another story.

    I have more than a suspicion that ‘Italians’ were deliberately tossed into the mix – really and truly the violent crime which afflicts the USA as compared to nations of similar development is a black and black alone affliction – in order to mollify the stark racial nature of the debate by shitting on a particular segment of the white American population.

    Are Americans of Italian descent more crime prone than other white Americans? Are statistics kept on such matters? Do they bear this out? – or is the author talking out of his ass?

    • Replies: @jimmyriddle
    @Anonymous

    "Are Americans of Italian descent more crime prone than other white Americans? Are statistics kept on such matters?"

    You might be able to extract some information via statistics on religion.

    In the UK "Roman Catholic" was a good proxy for "Irish" until recently. After the wave of immigration from Eastern Europe that doesn't apply anymore.

    I think I have seen stats from the US which show significant differences in incarceration rates between Protestants, Catholics and Evangelicals.

    , @stillCARealist
    @Anonymous

    Read Joe Pistone's books. He doesn't have much good to say about Sicilians.

    And the article was referring to Italian immigrants, not Americans of Italian descent.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

    , @Tony
    @Anonymous

    Using states as a proxy, New Jersey (high percentage of Italians)has one of the lowest white incarceration rates, while states with lots of scots/irish have the highest rates. Though this is 21st century we talking about here, not 100 years ago.

    , @anon
    @Anonymous


    was crime perpetrated by Italians in the USA ever, in any way shape or form, even on the same scale of magnitude as black perpetrated crime?
     
    The first wave of mass immigration is skewed to young men so you get bonus violent crime related to competition for females.
  14. ‘The 1950s were a golden era of low crime’.

    Yep. The electric chair, gas chamber, gallows etc still existed in the 1950s, and states were unabashed in using them.

    But Latzer would rather have his nuts removed than admit that.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Anonymous

    "Yep. The electric chair, gas chamber, gallows etc still existed in the 1950s, and states were unabashed in using them."

    And it was pretty routine back then that somebody might be convicted and executed in the same year. Justice was swift and ruthless by our present standards (although perhaps not entirely accurate). I suspect that the immediate connection between conviction and execution made the death penalty a much more effective deterrent for the high-time-preferenced population.

    , @biz
    @Anonymous

    Those things all existed, probably even moreso, in the 1920s when crime was high.

    , @Mark F.
    @Anonymous

    Higher IQ women are more likely to abort, so the relationship may be the opposite of what you think.

    Replies: @Forbes, @RadicalCenter

    , @International Jew
    @Anonymous


    But Latzer would rather have his nuts removed than admit that.
     
    Dunno, just in the parts Steve has quoted, Latzer says some pretty risqué things — explicitly mentioning blacks as a major source of crime, suggesting certain immigrant groups are more crime-prone than others, etc. These things are radioactive today.

    In fact, I learned some things: I didn't know that black-on-white crime was a major problem going back to the 1890s.

    And I'm starting to wonder if maybe everything we've believed about lynching is wrong. If lynchees ran about 2:1 black vs white, then if modern experience is a guide, that might have been roughly in line with the differential rates of criminality. Was lynching then no more than the analogue, in its day, of today's phony "mass incarceration crisis"?

    Replies: @SFG

    , @SteveO
    @Anonymous


    ‘The 1950s were a golden era of low crime’.

    Yep. The electric chair, gas chamber, gallows etc still existed in the 1950s, and states were unabashed in using them.
     

    Well, sort of. Capital punishment was rapidly falling out of favor in the 1950s. I remember seeing data on the number of people executed per year; IIRC it peaked in the 1920s, stayed high until WWII and began falling after that, with an increasingly rapid drop as the 50s progressed.

    I would love to be able to point you to those numbers, but I can't find anything that detailed on line. All I could find was this:

    http://deathpenalty.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=004087#I

    which is from a source I know nothing about and which, rather unhelpfully, divides the data into 25-year periods. You can see the huge drop between 1925-1949 and 1950-1974, but of course the latter includes the 60s, when executions slowed to a trickle and eventually stopped.

    Nevertheless, I do think the 1950s were the decade when the courts and, to some extent, the public turned away from capital punishment. This was probably helped along by a few high-profile cases like Caryl Chessman (finally executed in 1960) and Barbara Graham (executed in 1955, played by Susan Hayward in I Want to Live in 1958). The fact that both happened in California, a high-profile and progressive state only added to the furor.

    Did the reduction and eventual temporary elimination of capital punishment contribute to the crime wave of the late 20th century? Maybe, but clearly it's not the only component, since the dramatic drop in crime since the early 90s has occurred against a background where executions are quite rare by historical standards and largely limited to a few needle-happy states. Most of the criminals on death row in California or Pennsylvania will likely die of natural causes.

    OT to Steve - how are you making out in the heat wave? I just took a look and holy crap! Van Nuys Airport 3 p.m. temperature 113 degrees!? Seriously? Well, at least it's a dry heat ... 7% humidity. (No, I did not leave a digit off.) That was a joke, by the way; it's hard for an Easterner like me to even comprehend 7% humidity. Hope you're staying inside. Stay cool!

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  15. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The ‘violent crime’ of the 1930s, that is the rather theatrical exploits of gangs of infamous or legendary (take your pick) high-profile bandits were nothing more than a side-show.

    Robin Hoods for the masses. Eulogized by Hollywood and a down-at-heel broken nation. Put some glamour back into life. No big deal.

    But, the ass-hole gun-sideways bullet spraying bystander killing and colostomy making black plastic gangbangers that have rendered whole (formerly) great American cities into wastelands, are a different story.

  16. Prohibition has an interesting modern parallel. The spectacular nature of organized crime eclipses the fact that violent crime in general went down during Prohibition. Today, equally spectacular shoot-’em-ups like in Orlando make us forget that crime has been on the decline for decades, albeit from a high place.

    (The only good things I can say about the 18th Amendment is that crime went down for awhile, and the speakeasy environment helped civilize American drinking habits. We still drink like Northern Europeans, but view most public drunkenness as a disgrace, as Southern Europeans do.)

    I’d like to see where Prof Latzer gets his figures. They don’t match what I’ve read from others. E.g., Italians were among the less violent demographics in general, thanks to the tight families that made them so good at one particular subset of deviance.

    He doesn’t mention– at least here– the bastardy boom of the mid-Sixties onward. Daniel Amneus claimed you could predict a crime wave fifteen years in advance just by charting illegitimacy.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    @Reg Cæsar

    My brother lived in a small renting community back in the 90's with plenty of unmarried moms trying to raise sons. Talk about social chaos! They all were engaged in truancy, vandalism, petty theft, substances (anything they could get their young hands on) and general foul-mouthed attitude.

    A few went on to prison, most grew out of their misbehavior. But what a horrible way to bring up the next generation!

    , @Anonymous Nephew
    @Reg Cæsar

    "We still drink like Northern Europeans, but view most public drunkenness as a disgrace, as Southern Europeans do."

    The Brits viewed public drunkeness as disgraceful behaviour well into the 1960s, before they were taught better. For a woman it was shameful, for a man it was unmanly - "he can't hold his drink".

    https://web.archive.org/web/20041009225944/http://daily.nysun.com/Repository/getmailfiles.asp?Style=OliveXLib:ArticleToMail&Type=text/html&Path=NYS/2004/05/17&ID=Ar00104


    BIRMINGHAM, England — Late on a Saturday night in Britain’s second-largest city, what looks like an enormous street-party is in full, Bacchanalian bloom. Dance music pulsates from the nightclubs as thousands of men and women shout and scream on the sidewalk, tumble out of doorways, and bellow from passing cars. Most of Birmingham is asleep, but here on Broad Street no one will go to bed for hours.

    Despite the near-freezing temperature, people are dressed in astonishingly little. Women in mini-skirts, high heels, and halter tops shiver visibly, hugging their sides with cold. A girl staggers down the sidewalk on stiletto heels, bent over and clutching her stomach: She’s about to vomit.Another collapses entirely, and her friends howl with laughter as policemen stare impassively. The crowd, which is multiracial, ranges from white men with shaved heads to Bangladeshis with gold-capped teeth. People eat as they walk, dropping fast-food wrappers on the ground.The noise is unbelievable.

    The throng includes the unlikely figure of Anthony Daniels, better known to readers of City Journal, the New Criterion, and the London Spectator by his pen name, Theodore Dalrymple. Stocky and balding, he has a wheezy laugh, a pugnacious mouth, and the devil-may-care smile of the born provocateur.

    “If you can have ideological drunkenness, this is ideological drunkenness,” Mr. Daniels says, almost shouting to make himself heard.

    “And what is the ideology?”

    “The ideology is, ‘I’ve got a right to do whatever I like, and you’re not going to stop me.’”

    Mr. Daniels has invited me to look at what’s going on not because it’s unusual, but because it’s commonplace, ordinary, and to be seen every weekend in urban centers all over the country. “This is British culture,” he says. “What you are now seeing is British culture.”
     

    Replies: @stillCARealist, @Expletive Deleted, @Forbes, @anon

    , @Marcus
    @Reg Cæsar

    I think we drink much less now, also hard drug use has declined considerably

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  17. Thirteen killed over the Father’s Day weekend in Chicago. What’s the theory behind it again, the explanations were a little hazy? Frustration over Father’s Day being the loneliest day of the year in certain neighborhoods?

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @anonymous

    "Thirteen killed over the Father’s Day weekend in Chicago. What’s the theory behind it again, the explanations were a little hazy? Frustration over Father’s Day being the loneliest day of the year in certain neighborhoods?"

    It's the fault of White Christian Republicans who support Donald Trump, all 3 of them in the city limits of Chicago. There are more Muslims in Chicago than there are White Christian Republicans who support Donald Trump.

  18. It looks like whatever secret sauce has kept Boston’s murder rate in check is gone. Multiple shootings and deaths the past two weekends.

    • Replies: @Pat Gilligan
    @Brutusale


    It looks like whatever secret sauce has kept Boston’s murder rate in check is gone. Multiple shootings and deaths the past two weekends.
     
    Boston has become very Asian. So it must be that massive influx from Shanghai or Seoul. Needless to say, I'm kidding. Why can't all immigrants be as well-behaved and industrious and pleasant to be around as the East Asians? And I include white immigrants (Russia, Poland, Ireland) in this statement.

    [p.s.- And don't cite some public study for me, I have inside knowledge on this stuff in my job.]

    Replies: @Bill B., @PiltdownMan, @Brutusale

  19. No tree grows to the sky. Over all violence in human populations has steadily declined for a long time, particularly in the West, but it has been in fits and starts. It’s just as likely we have hit a lower limit and violence rates will bounce back up. There’s also the fact that diversity appears to increase violence and decrease the social cohesion that reduces the value of violence.

    Then there is the question as to whether the present order will hold up. History suggests that’s not the way to bet. When Commodus took the purple, most Romans probably thought civilization had turned a corner. A century ago, the West was making noises about the joys of globalism and how war was impossible as a result.

    History says there is never a reason to be optimistic.

  20. Was told once there isn’t much difference between an African and Italian. Go screw yourself Sammy the Bull

    • Replies: @anon
    @Kyle a

    I don't know about that sport. I would rather live in Italy then Somalia.

    But hey, what do I know?

  21. Maybe we can get some perspective on today’s crime situation by more closely examining the previous peak, 1890-1935, and the previous plunge, 1935-1965. Why in your estimation did crime spike so high in that first period and drop so deep in the second?

    Maybe the media’s gentlemen’s agreement in the 1935-65 time frame, post-Lindbergh baby trial, kept some forms of crime down because the publicity for doing those crimes was impossible.

    Then, following World War I, a Mexican migration to the U.S. added to the crime totals

    Because of the post-war labor shortage?

    Third, migration by blacks and Mexicans and immigration by Italians declined dramatically when jobs became unavailable due to the Depression.

    Probably because the ’20s immigration laws really started to be enforced.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @countenance


    Then, following World War I, a Mexican migration to the U.S. added to the crime totals

    Because of the post-war labor shortage?
     
    Mexican Revolution (1910-1920) and its aftermath. It caused large numbers of Mexicans to flee to the USA

    Replies: @Hibernian

    , @syonredux
    @countenance


    Then, following World War I, a Mexican migration to the U.S. added to the crime totals

    Because of the post-war labor shortage?
     
    The 1926-29 Cristero War caused another large influx of Mexicans into the USA:

    The end of the Cristero War affected emigration to the US. "In the aftermath of their defeat, many of the Cristeros--by some estimates as much as 5 percent of Mexico's population--fled to America [i.e. the United States]. Many of them made their way to Los Angeles, where they found a protector in John Joseph Cantwell, the bishop of what was then the Los Angeles-San Diego diocese."[48] Under Archbishop Cantwell's sponsorship the Cristero refugees became a substantial community in Los Angeles, California, in 1934 staging a parade some 40,000 strong through the city.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cristero_War

  22. Will a book review be forthcoming?

  23. Mexican migration in the 1910s and 1920s was confined to the Western US and nonexistent in other parts of the country.

    While the 1950s were a time when drug use was low, I beg to differ about alcohol consumption decreasing. Alcohol consumption was much higher than today. Perhaps the big increases happened in the years following the war when rationing ended and the level remained constant after that, but I doubt there was a decrease. Prohibition was recent enough that it was discredited

    • Replies: @fnn
    @Hare Krishna

    "Mexican migration in the 1910s and 1920s was confined to the Western US and nonexistent in other parts of the country."

    Mexicans came (or were brought) to the steel mill neighborhoods of the south side of Chicago and NW Indiana during that era. Many were used as strikebreakers for the 1919 Steel Strike. "Mexican Immigrant Experience in the Urban Midwest: East Chicago, Indiana, 1919–1945": "Throughout the 1920s, approximately 30 percent of Inland's seven thousand employees were Mexican, making the firm the nation's largest employer of Mexican labor. By the mid-1920s the Youngstown Sheet and Tube Company also employed several hundred Mexicans at its East Chicago plan."

    Replies: @syonredux, @RadicalCenter, @Triumph104

  24. We’ve become too busy focusing our efforts to prosecuting thought-crime and hate-crime. Indeed we’ve made prosecuting violent and property crime a hate crime itself. Can’t blame the po-po for throwing up their hands under DOJ and BLM scrutiny.

  25. The 1890s were a low-crime period in the big cities of the North. In the South, however, black violent crime rose and rural whites panicked, leading to the lynching and convict lease policies of that era.

    I remember watching a History Channel series about the history of how illegal drugs became illegal in the United States, and, in a roundabout politically correct social justicey way, it said that the introduction of cocaine into the South drove the increase in the black crime rate, and Southern politicians responded with first state and then prodding the Feds into making cocaine (and eventually other drugs) illegal.

  26. The invention of the revolver and the automobile have greatly influenced crime, though highwaymen and bank robbers seem to have largely gone out of style in the US, with crime moving out of the streets and online instead.

    With 40% of Americans on food stamps, stealing apples is rare today, and the problem of stealing loaves of bread has been solved by making most store-sold bread inedible. A neat trick! Cattle rustling is also relatively rare today, no doubt due to aerial surveillance, security cameras, and so on plus the availability of cheap hamburgers.

    • Replies: @gcochran
    @Jonathan Mason

    "With 40% of Americans on food stamps" ?

    "As of February 2015, the most recent month available, 45.7 million people are receiving food stamps, according to data released Tuesday by the U.S. Department of Agriculture."

    45.7 /320 = 14.3%

    Replies: @Dirk Dagger, @EriK

    , @TWS
    @Jonathan Mason

    The revolver is over a hundred and fifty years old the auto over a hundred. My uncle was arrested for rustling in his youth and we had people rustling our own cattle right up until I quit. Usually it is someone with a truck and a twenty two.

    My friend's farm regularly has people rustle one or two at a time. It happens all the time. They just don't usually call it rustling anymore. They call it 'theft'.

  27. @Anonymous
    'The 1950s were a golden era of low crime'.

    Yep. The electric chair, gas chamber, gallows etc still existed in the 1950s, and states were unabashed in using them.

    But Latzer would rather have his nuts removed than admit that.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @biz, @Mark F., @International Jew, @SteveO

    “Yep. The electric chair, gas chamber, gallows etc still existed in the 1950s, and states were unabashed in using them.”

    And it was pretty routine back then that somebody might be convicted and executed in the same year. Justice was swift and ruthless by our present standards (although perhaps not entirely accurate). I suspect that the immediate connection between conviction and execution made the death penalty a much more effective deterrent for the high-time-preferenced population.

  28. Your loyal proofreading service, no need to publish this comment:

    (title) What Drives Crimes Crime Rates Up and Down?

    “… today’s liberals are more hypocritical that than Warren Court Era liberals …”

  29. @Anonymous
    Despite all the mafia ballyhoo, was crime perpetrated by Italians in the USA ever, in any way shape or form, even on the same scale of magnitude as black perpetrated crime? Mexicans are another story.

    I have more than a suspicion that 'Italians' were deliberately tossed into the mix - really and truly the violent crime which afflicts the USA as compared to nations of similar development is a black and black alone affliction - in order to mollify the stark racial nature of the debate by shitting on a particular segment of the white American population.

    Are Americans of Italian descent more crime prone than other white Americans? Are statistics kept on such matters? Do they bear this out? - or is the author talking out of his ass?

    Replies: @jimmyriddle, @stillCARealist, @Tony, @anon

    “Are Americans of Italian descent more crime prone than other white Americans? Are statistics kept on such matters?”

    You might be able to extract some information via statistics on religion.

    In the UK “Roman Catholic” was a good proxy for “Irish” until recently. After the wave of immigration from Eastern Europe that doesn’t apply anymore.

    I think I have seen stats from the US which show significant differences in incarceration rates between Protestants, Catholics and Evangelicals.

  30. “People are much more afraid now, and they should be. As bad as the Capone-era gangs were, people were not afraid of them. You could sleep with the windows and doors open, and no one would bother you. These gangs now are much more dangerous than Capone was, and it’s only going to get worse. In Capone’s day, the average citizen had nothing to fear from the gangs.”

    – Al Wolff, the last surviving member of Eliot Ness’ Untouchables

    “The gangs in Capone’s day weren’t anywhere near as dangerous as the gangs are today. Capone and his gangsters, they did their killings among themselves. They killed other gangsters. Today, the gangs don’t care who they kill. Children, families – it doesn’t matter to them. The only drive-by shootings in the days of Capone were aimed at specific gang members. The average citizen had no reason to be afraid of Capone or his gang members, but today the average citizen has every reason to be afraid of the gangs. The gangsters today are much worse people. In the days of the Capone gang I felt completely safe. Like I was in my mother’s arms. Today I’m afraid to go around the corner.”

    – Rio Burk, a wife of one of Capone’s top lieutenants

    “I am a little bit amused by the Capone museum and all the Capone memorabilia. I can’t help being amused by it even though my father hated Al Capone, and everything that Capone stood for. But if they were ever to build museums and tourist attractions about today’s street gangs, it would make me vomit. There is no parallel between the gangs on our streets today and the gangs of the Capone era. The needless, cruel, random killing that goes on today – say what you will about Capone, but his men were skillful people who didn’t bother the average citizen. Now? Listen, my father was never afraid of Capone, but he would be awfully stupid if he weren’t afraid of the gangs today.”

    – George E.Q. Johnson, a Chicago attorney whose father was the federal prosecutor who put Capone in prison

    “The gangs today are so much more vicious than Capone ever was. There are so many innocent people being killed today. It is such a tragedy. Because of the gangs in Chicago today, people have literally become prisoners in their own homes. That was never the case in the Capone era. People today have much more reason to be afraid of street gangs than they did during the days of Capone. This is an unsual thing to say, but the fact is, the street gangs today have no respect at all for human life, and the gangsters of Capone’s day did. This is not to glamorize Capone. But, given the choice between the two eras, I would personally be much more afraid to walk the streets in a neighborhood controlled by gangs today. There will never be nostalgia for this gang era. Things are too terrible right now.”

    – Robert Fuesel, executive director of the Chicago Crime Commission

    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1993-10-03/features/9310030468_1_gang-members-capone-era-capone-days

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @BostonTea

    Katrina van den Huevel, publisher of The Nation, is the granddaughter of Dr. Jules Stein, who booked all the musical acts in Chicago speakeasies. Stein, an eye doctor who found speakeasies more fun than medicine, was a close ally of Capone during the 1920s. Now he is best remembered as a Los Angeles philanthropist.

    Replies: @Judge Absalom

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @BostonTea

    Boston Tea, Today's blacks like to think they are Capone-like. There are a couple of rappers with Capone in their name and a star HS quarterback from Lackawanna was gifted by his mother or father with the first name Capone. Meanwhile, in Cleveland a gangbanger pleaded guilty to murder charges in a plead deal in last year's drive by murder of a three year old boy. Still unsolved are the drive by murders of a five year old boy and a five month old girl. Mafiosos occasional were the gang that couldn't shoot straight or actually bomb straight. Stefano Magadino of Lewiston, NY (Niagara Falls) was one of the ranking crime family bosses, controlling all of WNY, west to Detroit, southern Ontario and part of Montreal. An attempt on his life failed when a package bomb was left at his sister's nearby house. The blast killed his sister. I have no personal knowledge of how that played out in terms of retaliation.

  31. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    In *any* given community the best indicator of the prevelance of violent criminality is the proportion of black residents.
    The correlation coefficient is as damn near to unity as anything you’d likely find outside a physical science.

    Go on hate me as much as you can, call me all sorts of names, but facts are facts.

    • Replies: @Psmith
    @Anonymous

    SO BRAVE

  32. @countenance

    Maybe we can get some perspective on today’s crime situation by more closely examining the previous peak, 1890-1935, and the previous plunge, 1935-1965. Why in your estimation did crime spike so high in that first period and drop so deep in the second?
     
    Maybe the media's gentlemen's agreement in the 1935-65 time frame, post-Lindbergh baby trial, kept some forms of crime down because the publicity for doing those crimes was impossible.

    Then, following World War I, a Mexican migration to the U.S. added to the crime totals
     
    Because of the post-war labor shortage?

    Third, migration by blacks and Mexicans and immigration by Italians declined dramatically when jobs became unavailable due to the Depression.
     
    Probably because the '20s immigration laws really started to be enforced.

    Replies: @syonredux, @syonredux

    Then, following World War I, a Mexican migration to the U.S. added to the crime totals

    Because of the post-war labor shortage?

    Mexican Revolution (1910-1920) and its aftermath. It caused large numbers of Mexicans to flee to the USA

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @syonredux

    There was a labor shortage during WWI, beginning because our industry went into high gear selling to belligerents and because belligerents cut off the flow of their citizens to our shores, and intensifying when we ourselves entered the war and re-instituted the draft for the first time since the Civil War. This sparked Mexican immigration, already in high gear due to the Mexican revolution, and also northward internal migration of both black and white Southerners. When the war ended all of the conditions creating the labor shortage were reversed, until about 5 or 6 years later when we severely restricted immigration.

  33. Latzer: I wouldn’t date the start of the first 20th century crime boom at 1890. The 1890s were a low-crime period in the big cities of the North. In the South, however, black violent crime rose and rural whites panicked, leading to the lynching and convict lease policies of that era.

    Awfully close to thoughtcrime, there. Implying that lynching and convict leasing in the South might actually have been a response to Black criminality…..

    • Replies: @iSteveFan
    @syonredux

    Good catch.

    Replies: @carol

  34. IA says:

    This honor culture explains the high rates of violent crime among African Americans who, living amidst southern whites for over a century, incorporated those values.

    By that logic golfers, especially poorer ones on public courses, should be the most violent criminals on the planet. They even call it an “honor” to tee off first after winning the previous hole. You are held accountable for your correct stroke count and the many penalties inflicted that are just bad luck.

    More seriously, the complex European honor system demanded courtesy, not as a sign of weakness, but of strength and good breeding. Men (and women concerning chastity) who could not maintain their honor lost status. Primitive/schoolyard honor is simply hitting someone back “twice as hard” as he hits you, to quote the US President in the year of our Lord 2009.

    Vendetta came about in Corsica because of the need to appease the murdered kinsman’s ghost, which left unappeased, would haunt his kin. Also, because of almost continual occupation for a couple thousand years Corsicans developed a distrust of getting a fair trial. So differences would be settled mano a mano. Once Corsican men began to trust the legal system vendetta subsided. Blacks will never trust a white run criminal justice system, ergo, violence is permanent until state-sanctioned punishment (i.e., violence) outweighs the benefits of non-state-sanctioned violence.

    I will give him credit for not being silly enough to think poverty and “racism” are all there is to explain violent blacks. But, I could have told him that 40 years ago and saved us trillions.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @IA


    Blacks will never trust a white run criminal justice system, ergo, violence is permanent until state-sanctioned punishment (i.e., violence) outweighs the benefits of non-state-sanctioned violence.
     
    That would only apply to revenge killings. There is a lot of black violence with other motivations. Also, how's the situation in Africa? Lots of peace and prosperity there?

    Replies: @IA

  35. @countenance

    Maybe we can get some perspective on today’s crime situation by more closely examining the previous peak, 1890-1935, and the previous plunge, 1935-1965. Why in your estimation did crime spike so high in that first period and drop so deep in the second?
     
    Maybe the media's gentlemen's agreement in the 1935-65 time frame, post-Lindbergh baby trial, kept some forms of crime down because the publicity for doing those crimes was impossible.

    Then, following World War I, a Mexican migration to the U.S. added to the crime totals
     
    Because of the post-war labor shortage?

    Third, migration by blacks and Mexicans and immigration by Italians declined dramatically when jobs became unavailable due to the Depression.
     
    Probably because the '20s immigration laws really started to be enforced.

    Replies: @syonredux, @syonredux

    Then, following World War I, a Mexican migration to the U.S. added to the crime totals

    Because of the post-war labor shortage?

    The 1926-29 Cristero War caused another large influx of Mexicans into the USA:

    The end of the Cristero War affected emigration to the US. “In the aftermath of their defeat, many of the Cristeros–by some estimates as much as 5 percent of Mexico’s population–fled to America [i.e. the United States]. Many of them made their way to Los Angeles, where they found a protector in John Joseph Cantwell, the bishop of what was then the Los Angeles-San Diego diocese.”[48] Under Archbishop Cantwell’s sponsorship the Cristero refugees became a substantial community in Los Angeles, California, in 1934 staging a parade some 40,000 strong through the city.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cristero_War

  36. @Anonymous
    'The 1950s were a golden era of low crime'.

    Yep. The electric chair, gas chamber, gallows etc still existed in the 1950s, and states were unabashed in using them.

    But Latzer would rather have his nuts removed than admit that.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @biz, @Mark F., @International Jew, @SteveO

    Those things all existed, probably even moreso, in the 1920s when crime was high.

  37. @Discard
    Wait a second. "…no immigration or migration of high crime populations"?

    Replies: @J1234

    Wait a second. “…no immigration or migration of high crime populations”?

    Yeah, a lot of what Barry Latzer says is true, but that statement is way off the mark. Central America has the highest murder rate on the planet. And a lot of US immigrants coming from…where ? Maybe he buys into the Ron Unz myth that modern latino immigrants aren’t any more violent than anyone else.

    On the other hand, this is first qualified academic I’ve come across brave enough to say that the lynching of blacks in the South 100+ years ago was largely a response to a dramatic increase in violent crime among Southern blacks. I’m not sure why violent crime among blacks dropped after WW2. It’s possible that the threat of extralegal retribution was a factor. Hard to know, though.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @J1234

    Central America keeps alive the culture of Apocalypto.

  38. The exponential increase of high quality ubiquitous security camera’s will become a real deterrent. And when they are not present, we have an increasing number of criminals taking their own pictures.

  39. Slightly OT, but I’ve noticed that all the MSM Orlando shooting talk has been either about homophobia or gun control. However neither appears to be a factor. The gun control angle has been addressed here before, but the fact the shooter chose a gay club on Latin night appears from available evidence to be a matter of picking an easy target, not homopobia. Granted, the shooter’s father has expressed typical Muslim attitudes against homosexuality, but the shooter himself appears to have been gay. He reportedly drove around several possible targets that night and probably settled on his gay nightclub hangout because it was a target rich environment that he was familiar with. All his communications before and during the shooting referenced ISIS or US bombing of Afghanistan, never anything against gays. He seems to have shot the club patrons becaus he saw them as American infidels, regardless of how the victims may have self-classified.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Drakejax

    "He reportedly drove around several possible targets that night and probably settled on his gay nightclub hangout because it was a target rich environment that he was familiar with. ... He seems to have shot the club patrons becaus he saw them as American infidels, regardless of how the victims may have self-classified."

    Very interesting perspective. Does this seem correct?

    Replies: @Drakejax, @Chrisnonymous

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Drakejax


    "the shooter’s father has expressed typical Muslim attitudes against homosexuality, but the shooter himself appears to have been gay"
     
    I thought this was already chewed over, but in most of the world (pretty much everywhere not having NW Euro culture) it is not considered homosexual to be the penetrator rather than the penetrated. So the US media, not at all being the multiculturalists they profess to be, don't understand Mateen from his own point of view.

    Or one could just adapt the sarcasm of Kathy Shaidle's old chestnut:

    "It's not really gay when you beat them up [shoot them] afterwards."
    , @markoh
    @Drakejax

    The Bataclan theatre influenced his choice?

    Replies: @anon

  40. What Drives Crime Rates Up and Down?

    Short answer: Negroes and immigrants.

    Next question please.

    • Replies: @Mark F.
    @Jack D

    Depends on the immigrants. Asians and people with high IQs drive crime down.

    , @Kylie
    @Jack D

    "What Drives Crime Rates Up and Down?

    Short answer: Negroes and immigrants."

    It'd be more accurate to say the presence of NAMS and absence of swift and certain punishment drive crime rates up and the absence of NAMS and presence of swift and certain punishment drive crime rates down.

    We are so screwed.

  41. Isn’t it just a function of economic and social stability? It seems like the 50s would be the apogee of both, and I felt that there was a period like that in the 90s…but the huge numbers of children born to single parents who started coming of age in the 80s and though the present day have led to a turbulent and chaotic social structure for the lower class, coupled with the long decline in the demand for low education/skill workers for decent paying jobs in manufacturing and other sectors that provided some incentive to order for those on the bottom.

    The only answer to that on the crime front is aggressive and sophisticated policing to remove the most troublesome members of society from circulation for extended periods, which is currently out of fashion because of the grossly disproportionate share of these folks that are black or brown…but the underlying problem of a massive and possibly permanent underclass (which is growing thanks to both parties’ complete indifference to illegal and illegal immigration from points south) has no immediate solution. There is a huge oversupply of unskilled labor and nothing that I can see on the horizon that will change that. What do you do with millions of people whose labor value is bottom of the barrel?

  42. The crime wave that tailed off in the 1930s. Never mind Prohibition ramping up crime. Might other factors be the wide availability of cars for the first time and automatic weapons like the Thompson SMG. So you’ve got quick getaways and the firepower to fight it out with security guards, police. Then once the police are fully equipped with those tools as well . . .

  43. @Reg Cæsar
    Prohibition has an interesting modern parallel. The spectacular nature of organized crime eclipses the fact that violent crime in general went down during Prohibition. Today, equally spectacular shoot-'em-ups like in Orlando make us forget that crime has been on the decline for decades, albeit from a high place.

    (The only good things I can say about the 18th Amendment is that crime went down for awhile, and the speakeasy environment helped civilize American drinking habits. We still drink like Northern Europeans, but view most public drunkenness as a disgrace, as Southern Europeans do.)

    I'd like to see where Prof Latzer gets his figures. They don't match what I've read from others. E.g., Italians were among the less violent demographics in general, thanks to the tight families that made them so good at one particular subset of deviance.

    He doesn't mention-- at least here-- the bastardy boom of the mid-Sixties onward. Daniel Amneus claimed you could predict a crime wave fifteen years in advance just by charting illegitimacy.

    Replies: @stillCARealist, @Anonymous Nephew, @Marcus

    My brother lived in a small renting community back in the 90’s with plenty of unmarried moms trying to raise sons. Talk about social chaos! They all were engaged in truancy, vandalism, petty theft, substances (anything they could get their young hands on) and general foul-mouthed attitude.

    A few went on to prison, most grew out of their misbehavior. But what a horrible way to bring up the next generation!

  44. @Anonymous
    Despite all the mafia ballyhoo, was crime perpetrated by Italians in the USA ever, in any way shape or form, even on the same scale of magnitude as black perpetrated crime? Mexicans are another story.

    I have more than a suspicion that 'Italians' were deliberately tossed into the mix - really and truly the violent crime which afflicts the USA as compared to nations of similar development is a black and black alone affliction - in order to mollify the stark racial nature of the debate by shitting on a particular segment of the white American population.

    Are Americans of Italian descent more crime prone than other white Americans? Are statistics kept on such matters? Do they bear this out? - or is the author talking out of his ass?

    Replies: @jimmyriddle, @stillCARealist, @Tony, @anon

    Read Joe Pistone’s books. He doesn’t have much good to say about Sicilians.

    And the article was referring to Italian immigrants, not Americans of Italian descent.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    @stillCARealist

    I don't think that Sicilians were ever anywhere near a majority of the Italians who immigrated to the USA, so it's quite unclear whether Sicilian crime rates are representative of Italian-immigrant crime rates more generally.

    Yes, I'm a proud Italian-American and I'll bet that there is little reliable evidence that Italian immigrants or their descendants are any more prone to violence or crime than any other white Anglo / European ethnic group who came here in large numbers.

    Replies: @Jefferson

  45. The percentage of blacks drives crime up while the percentage of whites drives crime down (more whites less crime, more blacks more crime).

    Simple explanation.

  46. @syonredux

    Latzer: I wouldn’t date the start of the first 20th century crime boom at 1890. The 1890s were a low-crime period in the big cities of the North. In the South, however, black violent crime rose and rural whites panicked, leading to the lynching and convict lease policies of that era.
     
    Awfully close to thoughtcrime, there. Implying that lynching and convict leasing in the South might actually have been a response to Black criminality.....

    Replies: @iSteveFan

    Good catch.

    • Replies: @carol
    @iSteveFan

    Who could miss it...I am reading a new book about the history of the US post office and it pretty much says much of typical inefficiency was exacerbated by early AA hiring and laziness/corruption. Esp at the Chicago post offices.

    My first job was at the Pasadena PO annex and my supervisor was colored. But the black employees were mostly mail handlers, who worked the loading docks and didn't have to memorize the complicated throwing schemes that the clerks had to know to go on permanent status.

    Still, the mail delivery losses were pretty much baked in the cake due to the sheer size of the US and the slowness to modernize.

    Replies: @tbraton

  47. OT

    What is this Republican delegate revolt etc. that is plaguing the upcoming convention?

    Can someone enlighten me?

    It also appears that the citizenry is stupider and more susceptible to media manipulation than I thought based on Trump’s success so far.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    @reiner Tor

    I've been saying that for months. The bad guys are going to win on Brexit too — there will never be another referendum, or at least never be another one before they've been demographically changed sufficiently to make it a foregone conclusion, much like (almost certainly) our current POTUS election, and completely certainly any subsequent ones if Hillary wins. Another country we can cross off the list.

    At least Trump finally did what he should have a year ago and fired that demented idiot Lewandowski.

    , @Mark F.
    @reiner Tor

    Trump will be nominated and will be crushed by Clinton

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

  48. @Jonathan Mason
    The invention of the revolver and the automobile have greatly influenced crime, though highwaymen and bank robbers seem to have largely gone out of style in the US, with crime moving out of the streets and online instead.

    With 40% of Americans on food stamps, stealing apples is rare today, and the problem of stealing loaves of bread has been solved by making most store-sold bread inedible. A neat trick! Cattle rustling is also relatively rare today, no doubt due to aerial surveillance, security cameras, and so on plus the availability of cheap hamburgers.

    Replies: @gcochran, @TWS

    “With 40% of Americans on food stamps” ?

    “As of February 2015, the most recent month available, 45.7 million people are receiving food stamps, according to data released Tuesday by the U.S. Department of Agriculture.”

    45.7 /320 = 14.3%

    • Agree: NOTA
    • Replies: @Dirk Dagger
    @gcochran

    The Feds game the stats a little bit with the way they release them, true 14% of population as individuals get SNAP but about 20% of U.S households receive foodstamps. Not a huge difference but …

    , @EriK
    @gcochran

    Mom of two is eligible for and receives food stamps.
    1) How many people in the house receive food stamps?
    2) How many people in the house are on food stamps?

  49. Optimists point to the absence of factors that brought on the 60s crime boom: no immigration or migration of high-crime populations, no demographic upsurge in the youth population.

    So David Frum got Barry Latzer to point out the obvious without saying anything overtly heretical or dangerous for either of their careers. Like genes.

    To Latzer’s credit, I guess, he only barely didn’t go there in 2009:

    http://www.claremont.org/crb/article/the-great-black-hope/

    Latzer seems now as then to believe there is this Magickal Black Middle Class Culture that makes the most crime prone population less likely to be, remain, or revert to being crimey. What he doesn’t deal with is how that Black Middle Class is largely artificial and extraordinarily expensive for the rest of us, thanks to blacks’ vast overrepresentation in civil service positions and affirmative action. Nor, as already noted, that culture is a function of genes.

    This is similar to the religious belief that liberals, con-servatives, and libertarians have when they empower the state to transfer your earnings, savings, and investments to a demographic of dolts on the belief that consumerism (the One True Communion of the (((merchants and moneylenders)))) will pacify all genomes the way they credit it with pacifying their own.

    This is apparently going to work for Muslims as well.

  50. What are your predictions? We are seeing the largest waves of migrants ever. When if ever do crime rates go up? Or have they? If property crime is impossible maybe the old protection rackets are restarted in immigrant communities?

  51. @Neoconned
    I have a black internet friend who's a sociologist who I used to debate with over critical race theory and causes of crime.

    I found it interesting that every time I would point out to him that crime was at a twenty yr low and yet the number of cops kept going up he would tell me they dont need law enforcement layoffs. Given that he had a habit of beething about racism and the cops i figured he'd want our convict population and especially the black convict population reduced and the police state shrunk as it targeted his community but no.

    He was cool with an overpriced police state.

    He just thought he could reform the system somehow.

    Every time I pointed out the aging population and demographics as being the main motivator behind the massive reduction in crime he would squirm and blow me off.

    Americans seem to have a visceral hatred of the concept that arcane ambiguous forces like demographics or environmental forces could be behind crime trends.

    They hate the nature side over nurture. To them everything is choice and all one has to do is change one's ways to stop being a crook.

    That arcane, dark naturalistic and mechanistic forces like population structure or age dynamics could explain human choice drives them crazy.

    They want crime to be about choice, not nature. This really boils down to nature vs nurture and they hate that people may be born with certain genetic, environmental, or situational circumstances outside of their comtrol. To them it's about choice, not circumstances.

    Modern Americans are the opposite of the early 20th century mechanistic view of the social sciences and medicine/psychiatry

    Replies: @Marc

    “They hate the nature side over nurture. To them everything is choice and all one has to do is change one’s ways to stop being a crook”.

    It’s difficult to inculcate populations with the various flavors of Leftism until they accept nurture being the dominant force in outcomes of the human experience. The bulk of Twentieth Century social engineering was designed to convince the West that the fruit did fall far from the tree.

  52. Cell phones have probably decreased the lure of violent crime, and will continue to do so.

  53. @gcochran
    @Jonathan Mason

    "With 40% of Americans on food stamps" ?

    "As of February 2015, the most recent month available, 45.7 million people are receiving food stamps, according to data released Tuesday by the U.S. Department of Agriculture."

    45.7 /320 = 14.3%

    Replies: @Dirk Dagger, @EriK

    The Feds game the stats a little bit with the way they release them, true 14% of population as individuals get SNAP but about 20% of U.S households receive foodstamps. Not a huge difference but …

  54. Funny, people think by reading stats it will give them a answer. It won’t since the books are cooked.

    See it all boils down to pencil whipping. For example I live in a ethnically vibrant town and have seen crime and even large scale police raids go down and there is nothing in the police blotter or the local paper about such events.

    So if it’s not reported on, it never happened. Get it? Very Stalinesque

    We live in the era of Pravda and Tass.

    There probably isn’t a ethnically enriched town in the U.S. that doesn’t do this. They have to, the business people, politicians and real-estate agents all have a vested interest in lying their asses off.

    For example here’s a very recent case of the Swedenization of the U.S.

    https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/06/idaho-residents-call-for-justice-for-5-year-old-girl-raped-by-muslim-migrants-perps-remain-unpunished

    The police by not doing anything made it a non-crime.

    The only way this stuff stops and stats become useful instead for nerds trying satiate their Sudoku fetish, is when the white upper class living in their gated communities and country clubs get a taste of the crap they’re pushing on the rest of us.

    • Agree: Triumph104
  55. @Reg Cæsar
    Prohibition has an interesting modern parallel. The spectacular nature of organized crime eclipses the fact that violent crime in general went down during Prohibition. Today, equally spectacular shoot-'em-ups like in Orlando make us forget that crime has been on the decline for decades, albeit from a high place.

    (The only good things I can say about the 18th Amendment is that crime went down for awhile, and the speakeasy environment helped civilize American drinking habits. We still drink like Northern Europeans, but view most public drunkenness as a disgrace, as Southern Europeans do.)

    I'd like to see where Prof Latzer gets his figures. They don't match what I've read from others. E.g., Italians were among the less violent demographics in general, thanks to the tight families that made them so good at one particular subset of deviance.

    He doesn't mention-- at least here-- the bastardy boom of the mid-Sixties onward. Daniel Amneus claimed you could predict a crime wave fifteen years in advance just by charting illegitimacy.

    Replies: @stillCARealist, @Anonymous Nephew, @Marcus

    “We still drink like Northern Europeans, but view most public drunkenness as a disgrace, as Southern Europeans do.”

    The Brits viewed public drunkeness as disgraceful behaviour well into the 1960s, before they were taught better. For a woman it was shameful, for a man it was unmanly – “he can’t hold his drink”.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20041009225944/http://daily.nysun.com/Repository/getmailfiles.asp?Style=OliveXLib:ArticleToMail&Type=text/html&Path=NYS/2004/05/17&ID=Ar00104

    BIRMINGHAM, England — Late on a Saturday night in Britain’s second-largest city, what looks like an enormous street-party is in full, Bacchanalian bloom. Dance music pulsates from the nightclubs as thousands of men and women shout and scream on the sidewalk, tumble out of doorways, and bellow from passing cars. Most of Birmingham is asleep, but here on Broad Street no one will go to bed for hours.

    Despite the near-freezing temperature, people are dressed in astonishingly little. Women in mini-skirts, high heels, and halter tops shiver visibly, hugging their sides with cold. A girl staggers down the sidewalk on stiletto heels, bent over and clutching her stomach: She’s about to vomit.Another collapses entirely, and her friends howl with laughter as policemen stare impassively. The crowd, which is multiracial, ranges from white men with shaved heads to Bangladeshis with gold-capped teeth. People eat as they walk, dropping fast-food wrappers on the ground.The noise is unbelievable.

    The throng includes the unlikely figure of Anthony Daniels, better known to readers of City Journal, the New Criterion, and the London Spectator by his pen name, Theodore Dalrymple. Stocky and balding, he has a wheezy laugh, a pugnacious mouth, and the devil-may-care smile of the born provocateur.

    “If you can have ideological drunkenness, this is ideological drunkenness,” Mr. Daniels says, almost shouting to make himself heard.

    “And what is the ideology?”

    “The ideology is, ‘I’ve got a right to do whatever I like, and you’re not going to stop me.’”

    Mr. Daniels has invited me to look at what’s going on not because it’s unusual, but because it’s commonplace, ordinary, and to be seen every weekend in urban centers all over the country. “This is British culture,” he says. “What you are now seeing is British culture.”

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    @Anonymous Nephew

    I saw these crowds of young people outside pubs all over London recently. It was Thursday night and the sun wasn't due to set until 10 pm or something; no rain. What I saw was community and togetherness. No screens. Just people talking, laughing, and drinking. Maybe later there was drunkenness or lewd behavior, but what I saw was something that seemed essential for local cohesion.

    , @Expletive Deleted
    @Anonymous Nephew


    "Go to an alehouse kitchen of an old enclosed country, and there you will see the origin of poverty and poor rates. For whom are they to be sober? For whom are they to save? (Such are their questions) For the parish? If I am diligent, shall I have leave to build a cottage? If I am sober, shall I have land for a cow? If I am frugal, shall I have half an acre of potatoes? You offer no motives; you have nothing but a parish officer and a workhouse! - Bring me another pot -" -Arthur Young
     
    No house (rents in shared apartments in England can take up to 60% of pay, for the young; average price to buy, over $400,000), no job (mass immigration and deindustrialization), = no future! as Johnny Rotten cackled). And VAT at 20% means they're paying the ancient landowning class for the privilege handsomely on top, via EU "agricultural" subsidies.
    I predict a riot ..
    , @Forbes
    @Anonymous Nephew

    In Inverness, Scotland some years ago on a Saturday night, in the center city district patrons could not enter (or re-enter) a club or bar after 11 pm. If you were in before 11 pm, you could stay until closing time--but no club-hopping, and there was no carousing in the streets. It appeared to work.

    , @anon
    @Anonymous Nephew


    “This is British culture,” he says. “What you are now seeing is British culture.”
     
    This was British culture before it was poisoned by people like Mr Daniels.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2153438/Diamond-Jubilee-Enchanting-photos-life-like-Queen-came-throne.html
  56. @reiner Tor
    OT

    What is this Republican delegate revolt etc. that is plaguing the upcoming convention?

    Can someone enlighten me?

    It also appears that the citizenry is stupider and more susceptible to media manipulation than I thought based on Trump's success so far.

    Replies: @snorlax, @Mark F.

    I’ve been saying that for months. The bad guys are going to win on Brexit too — there will never be another referendum, or at least never be another one before they’ve been demographically changed sufficiently to make it a foregone conclusion, much like (almost certainly) our current POTUS election, and completely certainly any subsequent ones if Hillary wins. Another country we can cross off the list.

    At least Trump finally did what he should have a year ago and fired that demented idiot Lewandowski.

  57. @gcochran
    @Jonathan Mason

    "With 40% of Americans on food stamps" ?

    "As of February 2015, the most recent month available, 45.7 million people are receiving food stamps, according to data released Tuesday by the U.S. Department of Agriculture."

    45.7 /320 = 14.3%

    Replies: @Dirk Dagger, @EriK

    Mom of two is eligible for and receives food stamps.
    1) How many people in the house receive food stamps?
    2) How many people in the house are on food stamps?

  58. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "Moreover, today’s liberals are more hypocritical that Warren Court Era liberals were (that’s a good thing)."

    They do tend to be hypocritical when it comes to crime, for their own enclaves but not for the rest of the US.

    With policies such as HUDs newly implemented forced Section 8 housing into more and more middle class neighborhoods on the grounds that such places are ipso facto racist, wouldn't that tend to spike crime rates in those heretofore low crime areas?

    Also, Latzer seems oblivious to the potential risks of importing immigrants from high crime areas, from the third world in particular and from Islamic societies in general. European cities have no go zones and Malmo is the first world's rape capital. If the US continues in this vein, to import such people groups into the nation, wouldn't that affect long term crime rates?

    Perhaps it is time to consider that while Levit's Freakonomics argument, that abortion helped to cut the crime rate (particularly in the African-American community) while perhaps the theory was overemphasized, maybe wasn't so far fetched in long term. In other words, suppose more clinics were built in the inner cities/urban centers on a magnitude never seen before. That might tend to raise the total abortions per yr, particularly among the poor, and therefore over time, would tend to directly affect the annual crime rate. If fewer people are born, that would tend to lower crime totals overall (at least eventually it would within say, about a generation or so). I think it was mentioned here some months ago that in CO some cities are experimenting with subsidizing poor people in exchange for sterilization or agreeing not to have children. Perhaps a form of Norplant/forced sterilization is what the Left has in mind with regards to keeping the crime rates low and in fact they may have to consider it as a viable option, especially if they persist in supporting massive immigration from the third world as well as policies as HUD's Section 8s being built in middle class suburban areas.

    In this sense, abortion may slowly come to have more bipartisan support than it currently enjoys. I mean, one way to reduce the total population is thru more abortions which would ultimately effect many things in life including the total numbers of crime committed per yr as fewer people born to various high crime groups commit fewer crimes since they aren't being born to commit the crimes.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas

    I grew up in lower middle class white neighborhoods in Philadelphia and I can remember forced Section 8 and block busting back then (indeed it is in some ways the story of my first 18 years or so, picking up and moving to a new neighborhood and eventually over the City Line to avoid the attendant social pathologies). Those areas that get a dose of fresh vibrancy will experience an interregnum of high crime before those ho can get out will get out. Those who couldn’t get out (and their children) will often adapt to the new norms and become part of the underclass until that area becomes the de facto ghetto that the program was purporting to solve. (I also don’t think it’s a coincidence that moving NAMs to suburbs clears out the abandoned neighborhoods close to City centers for gentrification and redevelopment, keeping college educated (white) young people in an adolescent stasis and delaying or preventing maturation to a more conservative outlook).

    Additionally, we’re probably failing to understand the mindset as it is of underclass girls and women having bastards – I don’t think they’re mistakes in the way a college girl getting pregnant is and I think many babies brought to full term are done intentionally. The same girl could alternate abortions and live births with what doesn’t seem to the outsider to be much rhyme or reason, but having had several abortions one must conclude that there is no moral objection and therefore the babies brought to term are for a purpose. In my understanding, the first live birth is usually a rite of passage into young adulthood, a stand-in for graduation/first job/marriage. It’s often a way to cement a sexual relationship and attempt to “claim” a boy with a biological tie (which rarely succeeds).

  59. From Steve’s VDare article:

    The public`s biggest defensive move, of course: moving to the suburbs, far away from the bad guys. In contrast to Britain`s more enterprising urban criminals, who routinely drive 50 or 100 miles out into the countryside to commit home invasions, American hoods don`t like to leave the `hood. Homeboys aren`t comfortable away from home—fortunately.

    (Emphases mine)

    1. In contrast to Britons, we American exurbanites bear arms, as is our right to do, and the hoods know it. We also alarm our houses and train our dogs.

    2. Blacks hate nature, are really uncomfortable in it. In America, more of the hoods are black.

    Our rulers are attempting to eliminate point #1 by eroding the 2nd Amendment, and they are beginning to overcome point #2 by “Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing.”

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Buzz Mohawk

    "2. Blacks hate nature, are really uncomfortable in it. In America, more of the hoods are black."

    Barack Hussein Obama and his family were on vacation in Yosemite National Park last weekend.

    I wonder if his love of nature developed while living in Hawaii and Indonesia.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Harry Baldwin

    , @Anon
    @Buzz Mohawk

    In a densely-packed ghetto environment in which nobody works, and where they've been on welfare for 3-4 generations, blacks are much more likely to be closely related to each other. They choose their mates from the same neighbors who have also been stuck in the hood for the past 3-4 generations. Over the same period of time, whites will have moved around a lot because of their jobs, and they choose mates in the various places where they end up. Blacks are also more likely to have known everyone around them since birth than whites are.

    In a sick way, this creates a strong sense of community, despite the insane levels of violence and crime ghetto blacks inflict on each other, and it helps reinforce the 'us against them' mentality that blacks have. Blacks are suspicious of and paranoid about whites because whites are outsiders to them, and they feel no sense of community with them at all. This is also why blacks commit jury nullification, even when they're the victims of black crime.

    Blacks think of whites the same way an Indian tribe 500 years ago would feel about another Indian tribe many miles off. They might get along with them or they might not. But the tribes would always be suspicious of each other, and individual members wouldn't hesitate to commit crimes or take advantage of the members of the other tribe if they were out of the eyes of their respective chiefs, and the relationships between the two groups would be always uneasy, 'up in the air,' and could change in an instant to full-blown warfare. Young black males think it's okay to rob a white person if they happen to cross paths with them on the street. A black community will go into full rage mode en masse over a white cop shooting a black perp exactly the way an Indian tribe would blow up and go on the warpath if someone from another tribe stole one of their horses.

    Black thinking is entirely tribal and not like that of modern people with a modern sense of community.

    Replies: @anon

    , @NOTA
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Much more importantly: if the suburb is overwhelmingly white, then a black criminal coming to that neighborhood is going to stand out. That's really not what you want to happen if you're trying to get away with a crime.

    That's not going to be a factor in a racially mixed suburb, but a lot of nice suburbs have very few black residents. (You often hear anecdotes about the black doctor living in a ritzy white suburb who gets pulled over every time he comes home late.)

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

  60. @Reg Cæsar
    Prohibition has an interesting modern parallel. The spectacular nature of organized crime eclipses the fact that violent crime in general went down during Prohibition. Today, equally spectacular shoot-'em-ups like in Orlando make us forget that crime has been on the decline for decades, albeit from a high place.

    (The only good things I can say about the 18th Amendment is that crime went down for awhile, and the speakeasy environment helped civilize American drinking habits. We still drink like Northern Europeans, but view most public drunkenness as a disgrace, as Southern Europeans do.)

    I'd like to see where Prof Latzer gets his figures. They don't match what I've read from others. E.g., Italians were among the less violent demographics in general, thanks to the tight families that made them so good at one particular subset of deviance.

    He doesn't mention-- at least here-- the bastardy boom of the mid-Sixties onward. Daniel Amneus claimed you could predict a crime wave fifteen years in advance just by charting illegitimacy.

    Replies: @stillCARealist, @Anonymous Nephew, @Marcus

    I think we drink much less now, also hard drug use has declined considerably

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Marcus


    I think we drink much less now, also hard drug use has declined considerably
     
    That's because we have to drive home now.
  61. @Anonymous Nephew
    @Reg Cæsar

    "We still drink like Northern Europeans, but view most public drunkenness as a disgrace, as Southern Europeans do."

    The Brits viewed public drunkeness as disgraceful behaviour well into the 1960s, before they were taught better. For a woman it was shameful, for a man it was unmanly - "he can't hold his drink".

    https://web.archive.org/web/20041009225944/http://daily.nysun.com/Repository/getmailfiles.asp?Style=OliveXLib:ArticleToMail&Type=text/html&Path=NYS/2004/05/17&ID=Ar00104


    BIRMINGHAM, England — Late on a Saturday night in Britain’s second-largest city, what looks like an enormous street-party is in full, Bacchanalian bloom. Dance music pulsates from the nightclubs as thousands of men and women shout and scream on the sidewalk, tumble out of doorways, and bellow from passing cars. Most of Birmingham is asleep, but here on Broad Street no one will go to bed for hours.

    Despite the near-freezing temperature, people are dressed in astonishingly little. Women in mini-skirts, high heels, and halter tops shiver visibly, hugging their sides with cold. A girl staggers down the sidewalk on stiletto heels, bent over and clutching her stomach: She’s about to vomit.Another collapses entirely, and her friends howl with laughter as policemen stare impassively. The crowd, which is multiracial, ranges from white men with shaved heads to Bangladeshis with gold-capped teeth. People eat as they walk, dropping fast-food wrappers on the ground.The noise is unbelievable.

    The throng includes the unlikely figure of Anthony Daniels, better known to readers of City Journal, the New Criterion, and the London Spectator by his pen name, Theodore Dalrymple. Stocky and balding, he has a wheezy laugh, a pugnacious mouth, and the devil-may-care smile of the born provocateur.

    “If you can have ideological drunkenness, this is ideological drunkenness,” Mr. Daniels says, almost shouting to make himself heard.

    “And what is the ideology?”

    “The ideology is, ‘I’ve got a right to do whatever I like, and you’re not going to stop me.’”

    Mr. Daniels has invited me to look at what’s going on not because it’s unusual, but because it’s commonplace, ordinary, and to be seen every weekend in urban centers all over the country. “This is British culture,” he says. “What you are now seeing is British culture.”
     

    Replies: @stillCARealist, @Expletive Deleted, @Forbes, @anon

    I saw these crowds of young people outside pubs all over London recently. It was Thursday night and the sun wasn’t due to set until 10 pm or something; no rain. What I saw was community and togetherness. No screens. Just people talking, laughing, and drinking. Maybe later there was drunkenness or lewd behavior, but what I saw was something that seemed essential for local cohesion.

  62. “automatic weapons like the Thompson SMG”

    ” In 1921, Auto-Ordnance began marketing the Thompson to private citizens as an ‘anti-bandit’ weapon. But with a price tag $200 each (equivalent of about $3,500 today), there were few takers. ”

    ” Although regional police departments had been buying Thompsons for years, it was not until much later that the FBI finally ordered the notorious firearm. In 1935, the bureau acquired 115 Thompsons in custom carrying cases. Ironically by that point, the vast majority of outlaws that the G-Men had initially bought the Thompson to combat were already dead or behind bars.”

    “Gun Control – The Thompson is partly responsible for one of the United States’ first gun laws. The 1934 National Firearms Act was passed to regulate the sale of sawed-off shotguns, suppressors and machine guns, all of which were more likely to be used by criminals. The new law meant that sales of Thompsons were recorded and taxed with a whopping $200 tariff.”

    http://militaryhistorynow.com/2015/01/16/from-gangland-to-the-battlefield-15-amazing-facts-about-the-thompson-submachine-gun/

  63. @Anonymous
    'The 1950s were a golden era of low crime'.

    Yep. The electric chair, gas chamber, gallows etc still existed in the 1950s, and states were unabashed in using them.

    But Latzer would rather have his nuts removed than admit that.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @biz, @Mark F., @International Jew, @SteveO

    Higher IQ women are more likely to abort, so the relationship may be the opposite of what you think.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @Mark F.

    Presumably higher IQ women (take precautions and) experience unintended pregnancies less often. The racial demographics of abortion appear to bear this out.

    , @RadicalCenter
    @Mark F.

    Need a source for that.

    Does it seem highly unlikely that higher-IQ women in the USA(who are disproportionately white and Asian, no?) kill their babies with elective abortion at a higher rate than low-IQ women (who are quite disproportionately African and perhaps disproportionately Mexican).

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  64. @Jack D

    What Drives Crime Rates Up and Down?
     
    Short answer: Negroes and immigrants.

    Next question please.

    Replies: @Mark F., @Kylie

    Depends on the immigrants. Asians and people with high IQs drive crime down.

  65. @reiner Tor
    OT

    What is this Republican delegate revolt etc. that is plaguing the upcoming convention?

    Can someone enlighten me?

    It also appears that the citizenry is stupider and more susceptible to media manipulation than I thought based on Trump's success so far.

    Replies: @snorlax, @Mark F.

    Trump will be nominated and will be crushed by Clinton

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    @Mark F.

    FWIW, I'll predict that Trump will be nominated and will narrowly win several swing States -- while getting thumped in California even more than Republicans usually do in recent decades-- to defeat Clinton.

  66. @Anonymous
    'The 1950s were a golden era of low crime'.

    Yep. The electric chair, gas chamber, gallows etc still existed in the 1950s, and states were unabashed in using them.

    But Latzer would rather have his nuts removed than admit that.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @biz, @Mark F., @International Jew, @SteveO

    But Latzer would rather have his nuts removed than admit that.

    Dunno, just in the parts Steve has quoted, Latzer says some pretty risqué things — explicitly mentioning blacks as a major source of crime, suggesting certain immigrant groups are more crime-prone than others, etc. These things are radioactive today.

    In fact, I learned some things: I didn’t know that black-on-white crime was a major problem going back to the 1890s.

    And I’m starting to wonder if maybe everything we’ve believed about lynching is wrong. If lynchees ran about 2:1 black vs white, then if modern experience is a guide, that might have been roughly in line with the differential rates of criminality. Was lynching then no more than the analogue, in its day, of today’s phony “mass incarceration crisis”?

    • Replies: @SFG
    @International Jew

    Interesting thought.

    Frum's been sneaking crimethought into the Atlantic for a while. Wonder if he reads Steve?

    Replies: @anon

  67. I’ve been thinking lately that three-strikes lockups and mandatory long sentencing have put a lot of MAOA-2R individuals on the sidelines for much of their reproductive careers.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    @Johanus de Morgateroyde

    I hope so, but it seems that many of them conceive children before they enter prison, then conceive more children when released / in between prison stints.

    , @anon
    @Johanus de Morgateroyde

    I think that's partially true but would be a lot truer if it happened younger - a 19 year old who's been in and out of juvenile courts for years and built up a scary reputation how many baby mommas does he already have by then?

    I'd have a juvenile version that applied from much younger but with a cut off so they were let out in their mid 20s or so.

    By that time the baby mommas would have had their kids from the UPS guy.

  68. @anonymous
    Thirteen killed over the Father's Day weekend in Chicago. What's the theory behind it again, the explanations were a little hazy? Frustration over Father's Day being the loneliest day of the year in certain neighborhoods?

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “Thirteen killed over the Father’s Day weekend in Chicago. What’s the theory behind it again, the explanations were a little hazy? Frustration over Father’s Day being the loneliest day of the year in certain neighborhoods?”

    It’s the fault of White Christian Republicans who support Donald Trump, all 3 of them in the city limits of Chicago. There are more Muslims in Chicago than there are White Christian Republicans who support Donald Trump.

  69. DOJ releases some redacted transcripts of Orlando killer’s phone calls during massacre

    “[Mateen] does not represent the religion of Islam, but a perverted view,” Hopper said, later adding: “Part of the redacting is meant to not give credence to individuals who have done terrorist attacks in the past. We’re not gonna propagate their violent rhetoric.”

    Isn’t this a violation of the separation between Church and State? Is it the fedgov’s place to declare what is and is not Islam, what is and is not perverted Islam? Isn’t that for the American people to decide for themselves? Where’s the ACLU?

    During those three hours, Mateen was holed up in a bathroom with several hostages, though authorities have said no gun shots were fired during this period.

    Glad to finally hear them say that. Not that it’ll shut up the idiots here, of course.

  70. Perhaps after WWII the returnees had had enough of killing but were ready to kill and knew how to and would – and crime went down.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Pandos

    In WWII, if you committed a serious crime like murder of one of your fellow soldiers or a civilian, the army would execute you. Louis Till, Emmett Till's father, was executed for raping and murdering a woman while he was in uniform. The bad guys who were drafted often didn't last very long. They were either killed in combat (sociopathy can make you too bold for your own good), or their own criminality in the ranks did them in. A certain percentage of them never survived to return to civilian life, and this lowered the crime rate after the war.

    , @Studley
    @Pandos

    Only thing I've read on that point was in a sociology book (I know, but bear with me!) that claimed there was an upturn in the murder rate in 1945-6 in the U.K. I don't know of any similar result for the U.S. The author said this is easy to interpret, "The hard men back from Europe/Italy/Burma were settling old scores before handing in their service weapons."

    As to non-killing but still violent deterrence by veterans, an anecdote from George Macdonald Fraser, novelist, screenwriter, ex-Burma, in his autobiography. From memory, in the 1970s he was having lunch with Alan Badel (stage and screen actor) discussing a script, they walked out to their cars after they'd finished and a youth was trying to break into Badel's. With no fuss, Badel just grabbed the thief's hand and broke it by slamming it between the door, waved farewell to Fraser and drove off.

    Badel did jump on D-Day as Fraser noted. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Badel

    https://paradata.org.uk/people/alan-f-badel

  71. fnn says:
    @Hare Krishna
    Mexican migration in the 1910s and 1920s was confined to the Western US and nonexistent in other parts of the country.

    While the 1950s were a time when drug use was low, I beg to differ about alcohol consumption decreasing. Alcohol consumption was much higher than today. Perhaps the big increases happened in the years following the war when rationing ended and the level remained constant after that, but I doubt there was a decrease. Prohibition was recent enough that it was discredited

    Replies: @fnn

    “Mexican migration in the 1910s and 1920s was confined to the Western US and nonexistent in other parts of the country.”

    Mexicans came (or were brought) to the steel mill neighborhoods of the south side of Chicago and NW Indiana during that era. Many were used as strikebreakers for the 1919 Steel Strike. “Mexican Immigrant Experience in the Urban Midwest: East Chicago, Indiana, 1919–1945”: “Throughout the 1920s, approximately 30 percent of Inland’s seven thousand employees were Mexican, making the firm the nation’s largest employer of Mexican labor. By the mid-1920s the Youngstown Sheet and Tube Company also employed several hundred Mexicans at its East Chicago plan.”

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @fnn

    The American elite have long viewed Hispanic Mestizos as a docile slave-race:


    Mexicans were sometimes said to have certain positive qualities that made them “better” labor immigrants than the other groups. They were thought to be docile, taciturn, physically strong, and able to put up with unhealthy and demanding working conditions. Perhaps more importantly, they were perceived as temporary migrants, who were far more likely to return to Mexico than to settle permanently in the United States.

    Does this explain why Mexico was exempted from the quotas in the Immigration Act of 1924?

    Mexico (and in fact, the entire Western hemisphere) was exempt from the quotas in part because of the agricultural lobby: farmers in the U.S. Southwest argued that without Mexican migrants, they would be unable to find the laborers needed to sow and harvest their crops. In addition, migration from the Western Hemisphere made up less than one-third of the overall flow of migrants to the United States at the time. Finally, the perceptions of Mexicans as temporary migrants and docile laborers contributed to the fact that they were never included in the quotas.
     
    https://blogs.loc.gov/kluge/2015/03/the-history-of-mexican-immigration-to-the-u-s-in-the-early-20th-century/

    Replies: @Jefferson

    , @RadicalCenter
    @fnn

    Good point, but fact remains that when I lived in Chicago in late 80s and early 90s, there were vastly, vastly fewer Mexicans than are there now.

    Mexicans were not even one-fourth the presence in Chicago just 30 years ago that they are now, if that.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    , @Triumph104
    @fnn

    In the 90s I met a Mexican-American woman in Arizona who had been born in Chicago around 1930. She was illiterate, and spoke broken English and rudimentary Spanish. She said as a child that she didn't like going to school so her mother let her stay home. I was so perplexed that a second generation American could be so disenfranchised that I didn't even think to ask why her family was in Chicago, although I don't know if she could have given me a clear answer.

    She later supported herself by working in the fields so I assumed that was what her parents did, but her father could have very well worked in the steel mills.

  72. @bomag

    The Depression had produced a birth dearth, so the young male population was reduced.
     
    More evidence that demography is destiny.

    When there are more resources available per young man, they are usefully occupied and can channel their energy into socially constructive activities.

    When you've got more young men than opportunities, then you have to ship them off to Europe where they rape their way into the hearts and minds of the populace.

    Replies: @Expletive Deleted, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    .. more young men than opportunities, then you have to ship them off to Europe where they rape their way into the hearts and minds of the populace

    Only if you feed, clothe, and doctor them when they’re sick. These people have one overriding characteristic. Epic Fail. It’s what they’re running away from. Themselves, and their own incompetence.
    I doubt they could grow a cabbage or catch a mackerel, never mind work a Northern European farm all year. And they’re already mostly illiterate, even in their own languages.
    General Winter has seen off more than one all-conquering warrior tsunami. Was it a wet season in Hungary that did for the Golden Horde?
    I think the (soon-to-be rump) EU should enact a directive in case of war, forbidding the payment of child benefit, soup kitchens and free medicines to any invading armies. And in particular, stop asking EU youth to donate massive blood transfusions to sadly injured jihadis …
    … I’ll not hold me breath.

  73. @Drakejax
    Slightly OT, but I've noticed that all the MSM Orlando shooting talk has been either about homophobia or gun control. However neither appears to be a factor. The gun control angle has been addressed here before, but the fact the shooter chose a gay club on Latin night appears from available evidence to be a matter of picking an easy target, not homopobia. Granted, the shooter's father has expressed typical Muslim attitudes against homosexuality, but the shooter himself appears to have been gay. He reportedly drove around several possible targets that night and probably settled on his gay nightclub hangout because it was a target rich environment that he was familiar with. All his communications before and during the shooting referenced ISIS or US bombing of Afghanistan, never anything against gays. He seems to have shot the club patrons becaus he saw them as American infidels, regardless of how the victims may have self-classified.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Almost Missouri, @markoh

    “He reportedly drove around several possible targets that night and probably settled on his gay nightclub hangout because it was a target rich environment that he was familiar with. … He seems to have shot the club patrons becaus he saw them as American infidels, regardless of how the victims may have self-classified.”

    Very interesting perspective. Does this seem correct?

    • Replies: @Drakejax
    @Steve Sailer

    I cannot now find where I first saw all this. But some quick Google found the Orlando Mayor reporting that the shooter had driven around the city to other sites before the shooting

    http://www.theatlantic.com/news/archive/2016/06/orlando-nightclub-shooting/486713/

    And another report is that the shooter's wife claimed their April trip to Disney was to "case" it as a possible attack site

    http://nypost.com/2016/06/14/orlando-shooters-wife-knew-about-his-plot/

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    The initial co-worker interview, Gilroy, reported that Mateen made anti-gay remarks, and his father claimed he made anti-gay comments when seeing 2 men kiss. Beyond the fact that the media was immediately going to jump to homophobia because of the involvement of gays and the "hate hoax" culture of assumptions, these seem to be the evidence for motivation.

    However, the father could have lied because he was trying to cover his son's proclivities, or Mateen could have said something to his father to cover himself. Likewise, comments to Gilroy may have been overcompensation.

    It's possible Gilroy is misremembering. He is also quoted as saying that Mateen had anger problems and that his main triggers were religion, race, and women (not gays). This comports well with Mateen's dismissal from a court security job for making comments about women, Jews, and Fort Hood.

    All in all, when balanced against Mateen's gay friends who said he treated them well, it seems most likely he is just a garden variety Islamic terrorist, not a self-loathing-gay variety Islamic terrorist.

    I'm guessing the smoking gun would be in the 911 tapes, but I'm not going to listen to those.

    Absent anti-gay comments during the shooting, I would have to agree with the commenter here who said the choice of locale was not related to gayness, but I'm a little disappointed by that. An army of angry gay pro-Trump voters would be a welcome ally...

  74. Has anybody here on the Alt-Right ever heard of a Black Lies Matter Social Justice Warrior named Franchesca Ramsey who works for MTV?

    MTV has gone from being a channel about music videos to being a political mouthpiece for The Democratic Party.

    Franchesca’s videos talk about how there are more White terrorists than Muslim terrorists, Black people invented everything, Donald Trump is a racist, Black people are not capable of being racist, Whites who don’t date Blacks are racist, affirmative action is good, we are a nation of immigrants, the school to prison pipeline is racist, the war on drugs is racist, the police are racist, free speech does not protect hate speech, the 2nd amendment needs to be repealed, etc.

  75. @Anonymous Nephew
    @Reg Cæsar

    "We still drink like Northern Europeans, but view most public drunkenness as a disgrace, as Southern Europeans do."

    The Brits viewed public drunkeness as disgraceful behaviour well into the 1960s, before they were taught better. For a woman it was shameful, for a man it was unmanly - "he can't hold his drink".

    https://web.archive.org/web/20041009225944/http://daily.nysun.com/Repository/getmailfiles.asp?Style=OliveXLib:ArticleToMail&Type=text/html&Path=NYS/2004/05/17&ID=Ar00104


    BIRMINGHAM, England — Late on a Saturday night in Britain’s second-largest city, what looks like an enormous street-party is in full, Bacchanalian bloom. Dance music pulsates from the nightclubs as thousands of men and women shout and scream on the sidewalk, tumble out of doorways, and bellow from passing cars. Most of Birmingham is asleep, but here on Broad Street no one will go to bed for hours.

    Despite the near-freezing temperature, people are dressed in astonishingly little. Women in mini-skirts, high heels, and halter tops shiver visibly, hugging their sides with cold. A girl staggers down the sidewalk on stiletto heels, bent over and clutching her stomach: She’s about to vomit.Another collapses entirely, and her friends howl with laughter as policemen stare impassively. The crowd, which is multiracial, ranges from white men with shaved heads to Bangladeshis with gold-capped teeth. People eat as they walk, dropping fast-food wrappers on the ground.The noise is unbelievable.

    The throng includes the unlikely figure of Anthony Daniels, better known to readers of City Journal, the New Criterion, and the London Spectator by his pen name, Theodore Dalrymple. Stocky and balding, he has a wheezy laugh, a pugnacious mouth, and the devil-may-care smile of the born provocateur.

    “If you can have ideological drunkenness, this is ideological drunkenness,” Mr. Daniels says, almost shouting to make himself heard.

    “And what is the ideology?”

    “The ideology is, ‘I’ve got a right to do whatever I like, and you’re not going to stop me.’”

    Mr. Daniels has invited me to look at what’s going on not because it’s unusual, but because it’s commonplace, ordinary, and to be seen every weekend in urban centers all over the country. “This is British culture,” he says. “What you are now seeing is British culture.”
     

    Replies: @stillCARealist, @Expletive Deleted, @Forbes, @anon

    “Go to an alehouse kitchen of an old enclosed country, and there you will see the origin of poverty and poor rates. For whom are they to be sober? For whom are they to save? (Such are their questions) For the parish? If I am diligent, shall I have leave to build a cottage? If I am sober, shall I have land for a cow? If I am frugal, shall I have half an acre of potatoes? You offer no motives; you have nothing but a parish officer and a workhouse! – Bring me another pot -” –Arthur Young

    No house (rents in shared apartments in England can take up to 60% of pay, for the young; average price to buy, over $400,000), no job (mass immigration and deindustrialization), = no future! as Johnny Rotten cackled). And VAT at 20% means they’re paying the ancient landowning class for the privilege handsomely on top, via EU “agricultural” subsidies.
    I predict a riot ..

  76. @BostonTea
    "People are much more afraid now, and they should be. As bad as the Capone-era gangs were, people were not afraid of them. You could sleep with the windows and doors open, and no one would bother you. These gangs now are much more dangerous than Capone was, and it’s only going to get worse. In Capone’s day, the average citizen had nothing to fear from the gangs."

    – Al Wolff, the last surviving member of Eliot Ness' Untouchables

    "The gangs in Capone’s day weren’t anywhere near as dangerous as the gangs are today. Capone and his gangsters, they did their killings among themselves. They killed other gangsters. Today, the gangs don’t care who they kill. Children, families – it doesn’t matter to them. The only drive-by shootings in the days of Capone were aimed at specific gang members. The average citizen had no reason to be afraid of Capone or his gang members, but today the average citizen has every reason to be afraid of the gangs. The gangsters today are much worse people. In the days of the Capone gang I felt completely safe. Like I was in my mother’s arms. Today I’m afraid to go around the corner."

    – Rio Burk, a wife of one of Capone's top lieutenants

    "I am a little bit amused by the Capone museum and all the Capone memorabilia. I can’t help being amused by it even though my father hated Al Capone, and everything that Capone stood for. But if they were ever to build museums and tourist attractions about today’s street gangs, it would make me vomit. There is no parallel between the gangs on our streets today and the gangs of the Capone era. The needless, cruel, random killing that goes on today – say what you will about Capone, but his men were skillful people who didn’t bother the average citizen. Now? Listen, my father was never afraid of Capone, but he would be awfully stupid if he weren’t afraid of the gangs today."

    - George E.Q. Johnson, a Chicago attorney whose father was the federal prosecutor who put Capone in prison

    "The gangs today are so much more vicious than Capone ever was. There are so many innocent people being killed today. It is such a tragedy. Because of the gangs in Chicago today, people have literally become prisoners in their own homes. That was never the case in the Capone era. People today have much more reason to be afraid of street gangs than they did during the days of Capone. This is an unsual thing to say, but the fact is, the street gangs today have no respect at all for human life, and the gangsters of Capone’s day did. This is not to glamorize Capone. But, given the choice between the two eras, I would personally be much more afraid to walk the streets in a neighborhood controlled by gangs today. There will never be nostalgia for this gang era. Things are too terrible right now."

    – Robert Fuesel, executive director of the Chicago Crime Commission

    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1993-10-03/features/9310030468_1_gang-members-capone-era-capone-days

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Buffalo Joe

    Katrina van den Huevel, publisher of The Nation, is the granddaughter of Dr. Jules Stein, who booked all the musical acts in Chicago speakeasies. Stein, an eye doctor who found speakeasies more fun than medicine, was a close ally of Capone during the 1920s. Now he is best remembered as a Los Angeles philanthropist.

    • Replies: @Judge Absalom
    @Steve Sailer

    Jules Stein is strangely mis-remembered.

    He turned that small Chicago music publisher and booking agency into MCA/Universal. All that time that Lew Wasserman was called The King of Hollywood -- Wasserman was actually the #2 to Stein, who preferred to stay in the background.

    Read "When Hollywood Had a King" by Connie Bruck.

  77. @iSteveFan
    @syonredux

    Good catch.

    Replies: @carol

    Who could miss it…I am reading a new book about the history of the US post office and it pretty much says much of typical inefficiency was exacerbated by early AA hiring and laziness/corruption. Esp at the Chicago post offices.

    My first job was at the Pasadena PO annex and my supervisor was colored. But the black employees were mostly mail handlers, who worked the loading docks and didn’t have to memorize the complicated throwing schemes that the clerks had to know to go on permanent status.

    Still, the mail delivery losses were pretty much baked in the cake due to the sheer size of the US and the slowness to modernize.

    • Replies: @tbraton
    @carol

    The worst summer job I ever had was after completing my freshman year at college in the early 60's. Fortunately, it didn't last more than a few weeks, or else I would have "gone Postal" at an early age. The job was sorting mail at the main Post Office, then located in a beautiful Beaux Arts building on North Capitol Street, right next to Union Station. (It was the successor building to the Romanesque-style Old Post Office building on Pennsylvania Ave. which Donald Trump is now renovating as a luxury hotel. I understand the PO relocated its main office to a different location sometime after I moved from D.C. to Florida 25+ years ago.) I'm sure much of the work I did is now done by machines, but my job consisted of putting endless mail in the proper box for the mailman serving that route. It was an 8-hour job, with Coke breaks every couple of hours and a break for meal after 4 hours. By the end of a day, my mind was reduced to mush. Fortunately, a friend informed me of an opening at a local Marriott Hotel as a bellhop, and I leaped at the opportunity to carry customers' bags to their rooms and getting richly paid in tips. After 2 weeks, I bid a farewell to the PO and have never regretted it since. I don't know whether I could have survived working three summer months at that job without losing my mind. BTW I was somewhat surprised to read a few years ago that a majority of the people who deliver mail for the PO are college graduates.

  78. @Mark F.
    @Anonymous

    Higher IQ women are more likely to abort, so the relationship may be the opposite of what you think.

    Replies: @Forbes, @RadicalCenter

    Presumably higher IQ women (take precautions and) experience unintended pregnancies less often. The racial demographics of abortion appear to bear this out.

  79. @fnn
    @Hare Krishna

    "Mexican migration in the 1910s and 1920s was confined to the Western US and nonexistent in other parts of the country."

    Mexicans came (or were brought) to the steel mill neighborhoods of the south side of Chicago and NW Indiana during that era. Many were used as strikebreakers for the 1919 Steel Strike. "Mexican Immigrant Experience in the Urban Midwest: East Chicago, Indiana, 1919–1945": "Throughout the 1920s, approximately 30 percent of Inland's seven thousand employees were Mexican, making the firm the nation's largest employer of Mexican labor. By the mid-1920s the Youngstown Sheet and Tube Company also employed several hundred Mexicans at its East Chicago plan."

    Replies: @syonredux, @RadicalCenter, @Triumph104

    The American elite have long viewed Hispanic Mestizos as a docile slave-race:

    Mexicans were sometimes said to have certain positive qualities that made them “better” labor immigrants than the other groups. They were thought to be docile, taciturn, physically strong, and able to put up with unhealthy and demanding working conditions. Perhaps more importantly, they were perceived as temporary migrants, who were far more likely to return to Mexico than to settle permanently in the United States.

    Does this explain why Mexico was exempted from the quotas in the Immigration Act of 1924?

    Mexico (and in fact, the entire Western hemisphere) was exempt from the quotas in part because of the agricultural lobby: farmers in the U.S. Southwest argued that without Mexican migrants, they would be unable to find the laborers needed to sow and harvest their crops. In addition, migration from the Western Hemisphere made up less than one-third of the overall flow of migrants to the United States at the time. Finally, the perceptions of Mexicans as temporary migrants and docile laborers contributed to the fact that they were never included in the quotas.

    https://blogs.loc.gov/kluge/2015/03/the-history-of-mexican-immigration-to-the-u-s-in-the-early-20th-century/

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @syonredux

    "The American elite have long viewed Hispanic Mestizos as a docile slave-race"

    Hispanics don't behave so docile when they see White people wearing Make America Great Again merchandise.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

  80. @Buzz Mohawk
    From Steve's VDare article:

    The public`s biggest defensive move, of course: moving to the suburbs, far away from the bad guys. In contrast to Britain`s more enterprising urban criminals, who routinely drive 50 or 100 miles out into the countryside to commit home invasions, American hoods don`t like to leave the `hood. Homeboys aren`t comfortable away from home—fortunately.

     

    (Emphases mine)

    1. In contrast to Britons, we American exurbanites bear arms, as is our right to do, and the hoods know it. We also alarm our houses and train our dogs.

    2. Blacks hate nature, are really uncomfortable in it. In America, more of the hoods are black.

    Our rulers are attempting to eliminate point #1 by eroding the 2nd Amendment, and they are beginning to overcome point #2 by "Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing."

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Anon, @NOTA

    “2. Blacks hate nature, are really uncomfortable in it. In America, more of the hoods are black.”

    Barack Hussein Obama and his family were on vacation in Yosemite National Park last weekend.

    I wonder if his love of nature developed while living in Hawaii and Indonesia.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Jefferson


    Barack Hussein Obama and his family were on vacation in Yosemite National Park last weekend.

    I wonder if his love of nature developed while living in Hawaii and Indonesia.

     

    It may have something to do with the fact that he is a half-white guy who grew up in a white family. He is not even descended from American blacks. He is black only by political choice, a choice he made during his early adulthood, essentially while he was in college shaping his political philosophy and identity.

    A president's choosing a famous national park for his cushy family vacation is not an indication of a love for nature. If anything, it is a pose, something different from his usual time on Martha's Vineyard with his rich, lefty SJW friends. It's easy to go to a national park and do nothing but look around at the views while eating and sleeping in a luxurious lodge.

    Obama is a race-baiting opportunist with as much loyalty to Muslims as to blacks -- maybe more. That should be obvious by now, especially in light of his administration's current retconning and obfuscation of the Orlando Islamist Massacre

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @Jefferson

    I think Obama is embarrassed by the fact that blacks don't visit national parks and is trying to set an example.

    Replies: @Jefferson

  81. @Anonymous Nephew
    @Reg Cæsar

    "We still drink like Northern Europeans, but view most public drunkenness as a disgrace, as Southern Europeans do."

    The Brits viewed public drunkeness as disgraceful behaviour well into the 1960s, before they were taught better. For a woman it was shameful, for a man it was unmanly - "he can't hold his drink".

    https://web.archive.org/web/20041009225944/http://daily.nysun.com/Repository/getmailfiles.asp?Style=OliveXLib:ArticleToMail&Type=text/html&Path=NYS/2004/05/17&ID=Ar00104


    BIRMINGHAM, England — Late on a Saturday night in Britain’s second-largest city, what looks like an enormous street-party is in full, Bacchanalian bloom. Dance music pulsates from the nightclubs as thousands of men and women shout and scream on the sidewalk, tumble out of doorways, and bellow from passing cars. Most of Birmingham is asleep, but here on Broad Street no one will go to bed for hours.

    Despite the near-freezing temperature, people are dressed in astonishingly little. Women in mini-skirts, high heels, and halter tops shiver visibly, hugging their sides with cold. A girl staggers down the sidewalk on stiletto heels, bent over and clutching her stomach: She’s about to vomit.Another collapses entirely, and her friends howl with laughter as policemen stare impassively. The crowd, which is multiracial, ranges from white men with shaved heads to Bangladeshis with gold-capped teeth. People eat as they walk, dropping fast-food wrappers on the ground.The noise is unbelievable.

    The throng includes the unlikely figure of Anthony Daniels, better known to readers of City Journal, the New Criterion, and the London Spectator by his pen name, Theodore Dalrymple. Stocky and balding, he has a wheezy laugh, a pugnacious mouth, and the devil-may-care smile of the born provocateur.

    “If you can have ideological drunkenness, this is ideological drunkenness,” Mr. Daniels says, almost shouting to make himself heard.

    “And what is the ideology?”

    “The ideology is, ‘I’ve got a right to do whatever I like, and you’re not going to stop me.’”

    Mr. Daniels has invited me to look at what’s going on not because it’s unusual, but because it’s commonplace, ordinary, and to be seen every weekend in urban centers all over the country. “This is British culture,” he says. “What you are now seeing is British culture.”
     

    Replies: @stillCARealist, @Expletive Deleted, @Forbes, @anon

    In Inverness, Scotland some years ago on a Saturday night, in the center city district patrons could not enter (or re-enter) a club or bar after 11 pm. If you were in before 11 pm, you could stay until closing time–but no club-hopping, and there was no carousing in the streets. It appeared to work.

  82. Wow, I await the day I am able to drop “sui generis” and “zeitgeist” in one posting. Latzer says there is movement of minorities to middle class and this lowers the crime rate. I see no movement of the perpetrators of violent crime to middle class status. Are there not countless other studies that say the stagnation of minorities in poverty is THE root of all of societies problems. The Italian crime “Families”, not gangs quickly

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Buffalo Joe

    "I see no movement of the perpetrators of violent crime to middle class status."

    The real money in thug life is in organized crime, not disorganized crime. The vast majority of Black crime is disorganized crime. Their definition of a huge score is for example robbing $300 dollars in cash from a liquor store owner.

    $300 dollars does not even cover 1 month's worth of rent in the poorest most high crime neighborhoods in The Bay Area.

    Negro disorganized crime gangbang for chump change. They thug life for scraps.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

  83. @syonredux
    @fnn

    The American elite have long viewed Hispanic Mestizos as a docile slave-race:


    Mexicans were sometimes said to have certain positive qualities that made them “better” labor immigrants than the other groups. They were thought to be docile, taciturn, physically strong, and able to put up with unhealthy and demanding working conditions. Perhaps more importantly, they were perceived as temporary migrants, who were far more likely to return to Mexico than to settle permanently in the United States.

    Does this explain why Mexico was exempted from the quotas in the Immigration Act of 1924?

    Mexico (and in fact, the entire Western hemisphere) was exempt from the quotas in part because of the agricultural lobby: farmers in the U.S. Southwest argued that without Mexican migrants, they would be unable to find the laborers needed to sow and harvest their crops. In addition, migration from the Western Hemisphere made up less than one-third of the overall flow of migrants to the United States at the time. Finally, the perceptions of Mexicans as temporary migrants and docile laborers contributed to the fact that they were never included in the quotas.
     
    https://blogs.loc.gov/kluge/2015/03/the-history-of-mexican-immigration-to-the-u-s-in-the-early-20th-century/

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “The American elite have long viewed Hispanic Mestizos as a docile slave-race”

    Hispanics don’t behave so docile when they see White people wearing Make America Great Again merchandise.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    @Jefferson

    Exactly. My wife and I are unable to wear our Trump shirts here in L.A. because we would inevitably be screamed at, cursed at, possibly spit at, and eventually physically attacked. I don't even trust the attackers to have the decency to leave my wife and our children out of the attack....

    Replies: @Hare Krishna

  84. @JsP
    "but if hatians have low rates of crime, what other explanation could there be"

    well I'm not really sure in that case.

    But of course Hatians in Haiti and Hatians in America actually do have incredibly high rates of violent crime. So there is that.

    Replies: @Louis Renault

    Haitians in Haiti also successfully threw out the French in 1804 culminating killing all the men, women and children who didn’t flee. But that is a genocide that doesn’t count.

  85. The 1890s were a low-crime period in the big cities of the North. In the South, however, black violent crime rose and rural whites panicked, leading to the lynching and convict lease policies of that era.

    It should be worth noting that the infamous Jim Crow laws came into effect during this period of high black crime in the South – not immediately after Reconstruction ended, as many seem to think. JC laws were an attempt to control black criminality and to protect vulnerable portions of the population.

  86. @Brutusale
    It looks like whatever secret sauce has kept Boston's murder rate in check is gone. Multiple shootings and deaths the past two weekends.

    Replies: @Pat Gilligan

    It looks like whatever secret sauce has kept Boston’s murder rate in check is gone. Multiple shootings and deaths the past two weekends.

    Boston has become very Asian. So it must be that massive influx from Shanghai or Seoul. Needless to say, I’m kidding. Why can’t all immigrants be as well-behaved and industrious and pleasant to be around as the East Asians? And I include white immigrants (Russia, Poland, Ireland) in this statement.

    [p.s.- And don’t cite some public study for me, I have inside knowledge on this stuff in my job.]

    • Replies: @Bill B.
    @Pat Gilligan

    Sure. Nevertheless Asian communities can be rife with crime. Indeed some might see them as crime prone.

    The style of course is different, less obtrusive and not discussed much. Certainly not with outsiders. Just to pick a mild example: how much exam cheating goes on in those Asian homes?

    A successful Chinese criminal/gangster can easily be someone who values his good name as a philanthropist and businessman.

    I talked to Ko Lin Chin - an academic who looks at Chinese crime - about two decades ago when he said it was a mistake for Americans to ignore Asian criminality which, ultimately, will break out into the wider community.

    https://www.amazon.com/Chinese-Subculture-Criminality-Non-traditional-Contributions/dp/031327262X/ref=sr_1_9?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1466474624&sr=1-9

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Brutusale

    , @PiltdownMan
    @Pat Gilligan


    And I include white immigrants (Russia, Poland, Ireland) in this statement.
     
    Far be it from me to repeat casual stereotypes in a fact and data based forum like iSteve, so I will restrict myself to two words.

    Surly drunks.
    , @Brutusale
    @Pat Gilligan

    Today's Boston Herald has a story that covers every iSteve trope. The names are especially entertaining.

    http://www.bostonherald.com/news/columnists/jessica_heslam/2016/06/heslam_murder_hits_family_again

  87. @Buffalo Joe
    Wow, I await the day I am able to drop "sui generis" and "zeitgeist" in one posting. Latzer says there is movement of minorities to middle class and this lowers the crime rate. I see no movement of the perpetrators of violent crime to middle class status. Are there not countless other studies that say the stagnation of minorities in poverty is THE root of all of societies problems. The Italian crime "Families", not gangs quickly

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “I see no movement of the perpetrators of violent crime to middle class status.”

    The real money in thug life is in organized crime, not disorganized crime. The vast majority of Black crime is disorganized crime. Their definition of a huge score is for example robbing $300 dollars in cash from a liquor store owner.

    $300 dollars does not even cover 1 month’s worth of rent in the poorest most high crime neighborhoods in The Bay Area.

    Negro disorganized crime gangbang for chump change. They thug life for scraps.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Jefferson

    Jefferson, Don't know what happened to the rest of my comment....but Italian crime "families", not gangs, quickly steered their children into college and a crime free life. Most first generation American Mafiosos were actually related, thus family.

    Replies: @Jefferson

  88. @NickG

    No one is sure why crime remained low in the 1950s
     
    Could perchance the Trumpesque Immigration restriction act of 1924 feeding through, have been a smidgen of a factor?

    Replies: @Njguy73

    No one is sure why crime remained low in the 1950s

    Could perchance the Trumpesque Immigration restriction act of 1924 feeding through, have been a smidgen of a factor?

    No.

    Absolutely not.

    In no way, shape, or form.

    Keep moving on.

    You heard nothing.

  89. @Steve Sailer
    @Drakejax

    "He reportedly drove around several possible targets that night and probably settled on his gay nightclub hangout because it was a target rich environment that he was familiar with. ... He seems to have shot the club patrons becaus he saw them as American infidels, regardless of how the victims may have self-classified."

    Very interesting perspective. Does this seem correct?

    Replies: @Drakejax, @Chrisnonymous

    I cannot now find where I first saw all this. But some quick Google found the Orlando Mayor reporting that the shooter had driven around the city to other sites before the shooting

    http://www.theatlantic.com/news/archive/2016/06/orlando-nightclub-shooting/486713/

    And another report is that the shooter’s wife claimed their April trip to Disney was to “case” it as a possible attack site

    http://nypost.com/2016/06/14/orlando-shooters-wife-knew-about-his-plot/

  90. @Jack D

    What Drives Crime Rates Up and Down?
     
    Short answer: Negroes and immigrants.

    Next question please.

    Replies: @Mark F., @Kylie

    “What Drives Crime Rates Up and Down?

    Short answer: Negroes and immigrants.”

    It’d be more accurate to say the presence of NAMS and absence of swift and certain punishment drive crime rates up and the absence of NAMS and presence of swift and certain punishment drive crime rates down.

    We are so screwed.

  91. @stillCARealist
    @Anonymous

    Read Joe Pistone's books. He doesn't have much good to say about Sicilians.

    And the article was referring to Italian immigrants, not Americans of Italian descent.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

    I don’t think that Sicilians were ever anywhere near a majority of the Italians who immigrated to the USA, so it’s quite unclear whether Sicilian crime rates are representative of Italian-immigrant crime rates more generally.

    Yes, I’m a proud Italian-American and I’ll bet that there is little reliable evidence that Italian immigrants or their descendants are any more prone to violence or crime than any other white Anglo / European ethnic group who came here in large numbers.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @RadicalCenter

    "I don’t think that Sicilians were ever anywhere near a majority of the Italians who immigrated to the USA,"

    Not the majority, but Sicilians were a plurality of Italians who immigrated to The U.S, meaning the largest group of Italians that immigrated to The U.S.

    I am Siciliano and Calabrese American.

    Replies: @EriK, @RadicalCenter

  92. “Crime rates started to decline in the mid 1930’s”.

    About a decade after 1924 when immigration was basically turned off. It escalated again in the late 1960’s after the 1965 immigration act was passed.

    Does anybody see a connection?

  93. @Anonymous
    'The 1950s were a golden era of low crime'.

    Yep. The electric chair, gas chamber, gallows etc still existed in the 1950s, and states were unabashed in using them.

    But Latzer would rather have his nuts removed than admit that.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @biz, @Mark F., @International Jew, @SteveO

    ‘The 1950s were a golden era of low crime’.

    Yep. The electric chair, gas chamber, gallows etc still existed in the 1950s, and states were unabashed in using them.

    Well, sort of. Capital punishment was rapidly falling out of favor in the 1950s. I remember seeing data on the number of people executed per year; IIRC it peaked in the 1920s, stayed high until WWII and began falling after that, with an increasingly rapid drop as the 50s progressed.

    I would love to be able to point you to those numbers, but I can’t find anything that detailed on line. All I could find was this:

    http://deathpenalty.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=004087#I

    which is from a source I know nothing about and which, rather unhelpfully, divides the data into 25-year periods. You can see the huge drop between 1925-1949 and 1950-1974, but of course the latter includes the 60s, when executions slowed to a trickle and eventually stopped.

    Nevertheless, I do think the 1950s were the decade when the courts and, to some extent, the public turned away from capital punishment. This was probably helped along by a few high-profile cases like Caryl Chessman (finally executed in 1960) and Barbara Graham (executed in 1955, played by Susan Hayward in I Want to Live in 1958). The fact that both happened in California, a high-profile and progressive state only added to the furor.

    Did the reduction and eventual temporary elimination of capital punishment contribute to the crime wave of the late 20th century? Maybe, but clearly it’s not the only component, since the dramatic drop in crime since the early 90s has occurred against a background where executions are quite rare by historical standards and largely limited to a few needle-happy states. Most of the criminals on death row in California or Pennsylvania will likely die of natural causes.

    OT to Steve – how are you making out in the heat wave? I just took a look and holy crap! Van Nuys Airport 3 p.m. temperature 113 degrees!? Seriously? Well, at least it’s a dry heat … 7% humidity. (No, I did not leave a digit off.) That was a joke, by the way; it’s hard for an Easterner like me to even comprehend 7% humidity. Hope you’re staying inside. Stay cool!

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @SteveO

    The electricity went out Sunday for about 6 hours.

    Interestingly, it was rather a chilly June Gloom -- wake up and put on an extra blanket type weather -- until about 4 days ago.

  94. @Mark F.
    @Anonymous

    Higher IQ women are more likely to abort, so the relationship may be the opposite of what you think.

    Replies: @Forbes, @RadicalCenter

    Need a source for that.

    Does it seem highly unlikely that higher-IQ women in the USA(who are disproportionately white and Asian, no?) kill their babies with elective abortion at a higher rate than low-IQ women (who are quite disproportionately African and perhaps disproportionately Mexican).

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @RadicalCenter

    I think there are two empirical arguments against abortion as a eugenics program (leaving aside the moral argument).

    One was that availability of abortion leads to more out-of-wedlock births, which lead to more crime. It might seem counter-intuitive that more available abortion leads to more bastardy, but the statistical relationship is pretty solid. The cause could be that by making casual sex appear to be consequence-free, abortion vastly increases casual sex, not all of the consequences of which actually get aborted. So even if 60% of unwanted pregnancies are now aborted, that doesn't help if the there are now 10x more unwanted pregnancies. I believe this argument was pursued by economist John Lott in some academic journals.

    The other argument I've seen (pursued by Steve Sailer?) was that the study that purported to show abortion reduced crime, by Steven Levitt, 1) made serious statistical error, 2) didn't account for the crack epidemic and 3) didn't normalize for race. Had Levitt adjusted for race, he would have seen that within each race, it is the highest-IQ members who are most likely to avail themselves of abortion, so abortion ends up reducing the most socially desirable procreation while the most undesirable procreation proceeds apace.

    Maybe our host can correct me if this is not right.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Triumph104

  95. @Mark F.
    @reiner Tor

    Trump will be nominated and will be crushed by Clinton

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

    FWIW, I’ll predict that Trump will be nominated and will narrowly win several swing States — while getting thumped in California even more than Republicans usually do in recent decades– to defeat Clinton.

  96. @Johanus de Morgateroyde
    I've been thinking lately that three-strikes lockups and mandatory long sentencing have put a lot of MAOA-2R individuals on the sidelines for much of their reproductive careers.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter, @anon

    I hope so, but it seems that many of them conceive children before they enter prison, then conceive more children when released / in between prison stints.

  97. @fnn
    @Hare Krishna

    "Mexican migration in the 1910s and 1920s was confined to the Western US and nonexistent in other parts of the country."

    Mexicans came (or were brought) to the steel mill neighborhoods of the south side of Chicago and NW Indiana during that era. Many were used as strikebreakers for the 1919 Steel Strike. "Mexican Immigrant Experience in the Urban Midwest: East Chicago, Indiana, 1919–1945": "Throughout the 1920s, approximately 30 percent of Inland's seven thousand employees were Mexican, making the firm the nation's largest employer of Mexican labor. By the mid-1920s the Youngstown Sheet and Tube Company also employed several hundred Mexicans at its East Chicago plan."

    Replies: @syonredux, @RadicalCenter, @Triumph104

    Good point, but fact remains that when I lived in Chicago in late 80s and early 90s, there were vastly, vastly fewer Mexicans than are there now.

    Mexicans were not even one-fourth the presence in Chicago just 30 years ago that they are now, if that.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @RadicalCenter

    "Good point, but fact remains that when I lived in Chicago in late 80s and early 90s, there were vastly, vastly fewer Mexicans than are there now.

    Mexicans were not even one-fourth the presence in Chicago just 30 years ago that they are now, if that."

    Mexicans drove White Catholics (Italians, Polish, Irish) out of Cicero.

  98. @BostonTea
    "People are much more afraid now, and they should be. As bad as the Capone-era gangs were, people were not afraid of them. You could sleep with the windows and doors open, and no one would bother you. These gangs now are much more dangerous than Capone was, and it’s only going to get worse. In Capone’s day, the average citizen had nothing to fear from the gangs."

    – Al Wolff, the last surviving member of Eliot Ness' Untouchables

    "The gangs in Capone’s day weren’t anywhere near as dangerous as the gangs are today. Capone and his gangsters, they did their killings among themselves. They killed other gangsters. Today, the gangs don’t care who they kill. Children, families – it doesn’t matter to them. The only drive-by shootings in the days of Capone were aimed at specific gang members. The average citizen had no reason to be afraid of Capone or his gang members, but today the average citizen has every reason to be afraid of the gangs. The gangsters today are much worse people. In the days of the Capone gang I felt completely safe. Like I was in my mother’s arms. Today I’m afraid to go around the corner."

    – Rio Burk, a wife of one of Capone's top lieutenants

    "I am a little bit amused by the Capone museum and all the Capone memorabilia. I can’t help being amused by it even though my father hated Al Capone, and everything that Capone stood for. But if they were ever to build museums and tourist attractions about today’s street gangs, it would make me vomit. There is no parallel between the gangs on our streets today and the gangs of the Capone era. The needless, cruel, random killing that goes on today – say what you will about Capone, but his men were skillful people who didn’t bother the average citizen. Now? Listen, my father was never afraid of Capone, but he would be awfully stupid if he weren’t afraid of the gangs today."

    - George E.Q. Johnson, a Chicago attorney whose father was the federal prosecutor who put Capone in prison

    "The gangs today are so much more vicious than Capone ever was. There are so many innocent people being killed today. It is such a tragedy. Because of the gangs in Chicago today, people have literally become prisoners in their own homes. That was never the case in the Capone era. People today have much more reason to be afraid of street gangs than they did during the days of Capone. This is an unsual thing to say, but the fact is, the street gangs today have no respect at all for human life, and the gangsters of Capone’s day did. This is not to glamorize Capone. But, given the choice between the two eras, I would personally be much more afraid to walk the streets in a neighborhood controlled by gangs today. There will never be nostalgia for this gang era. Things are too terrible right now."

    – Robert Fuesel, executive director of the Chicago Crime Commission

    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1993-10-03/features/9310030468_1_gang-members-capone-era-capone-days

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Buffalo Joe

    Boston Tea, Today’s blacks like to think they are Capone-like. There are a couple of rappers with Capone in their name and a star HS quarterback from Lackawanna was gifted by his mother or father with the first name Capone. Meanwhile, in Cleveland a gangbanger pleaded guilty to murder charges in a plead deal in last year’s drive by murder of a three year old boy. Still unsolved are the drive by murders of a five year old boy and a five month old girl. Mafiosos occasional were the gang that couldn’t shoot straight or actually bomb straight. Stefano Magadino of Lewiston, NY (Niagara Falls) was one of the ranking crime family bosses, controlling all of WNY, west to Detroit, southern Ontario and part of Montreal. An attempt on his life failed when a package bomb was left at his sister’s nearby house. The blast killed his sister. I have no personal knowledge of how that played out in terms of retaliation.

  99. @Jefferson
    @syonredux

    "The American elite have long viewed Hispanic Mestizos as a docile slave-race"

    Hispanics don't behave so docile when they see White people wearing Make America Great Again merchandise.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

    Exactly. My wife and I are unable to wear our Trump shirts here in L.A. because we would inevitably be screamed at, cursed at, possibly spit at, and eventually physically attacked. I don’t even trust the attackers to have the decency to leave my wife and our children out of the attack….

    • Replies: @Hare Krishna
    @RadicalCenter

    White leftists, also a very numerous group in L.A. and California's other large coastal cities, would attack someone wearing a Trump shirt as well. You'd be better off in Jefferson.

    Speaking of which I'm surprised Steve never posted about Six Californias, especially considering that there are parts of the state that preserve the old California much more than SoCal or the Bay Area do, and splitting up the state would allow those areas to preserve that old California spirit, culture, and quality of life.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

  100. @SteveO
    @Anonymous


    ‘The 1950s were a golden era of low crime’.

    Yep. The electric chair, gas chamber, gallows etc still existed in the 1950s, and states were unabashed in using them.
     

    Well, sort of. Capital punishment was rapidly falling out of favor in the 1950s. I remember seeing data on the number of people executed per year; IIRC it peaked in the 1920s, stayed high until WWII and began falling after that, with an increasingly rapid drop as the 50s progressed.

    I would love to be able to point you to those numbers, but I can't find anything that detailed on line. All I could find was this:

    http://deathpenalty.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=004087#I

    which is from a source I know nothing about and which, rather unhelpfully, divides the data into 25-year periods. You can see the huge drop between 1925-1949 and 1950-1974, but of course the latter includes the 60s, when executions slowed to a trickle and eventually stopped.

    Nevertheless, I do think the 1950s were the decade when the courts and, to some extent, the public turned away from capital punishment. This was probably helped along by a few high-profile cases like Caryl Chessman (finally executed in 1960) and Barbara Graham (executed in 1955, played by Susan Hayward in I Want to Live in 1958). The fact that both happened in California, a high-profile and progressive state only added to the furor.

    Did the reduction and eventual temporary elimination of capital punishment contribute to the crime wave of the late 20th century? Maybe, but clearly it's not the only component, since the dramatic drop in crime since the early 90s has occurred against a background where executions are quite rare by historical standards and largely limited to a few needle-happy states. Most of the criminals on death row in California or Pennsylvania will likely die of natural causes.

    OT to Steve - how are you making out in the heat wave? I just took a look and holy crap! Van Nuys Airport 3 p.m. temperature 113 degrees!? Seriously? Well, at least it's a dry heat ... 7% humidity. (No, I did not leave a digit off.) That was a joke, by the way; it's hard for an Easterner like me to even comprehend 7% humidity. Hope you're staying inside. Stay cool!

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    The electricity went out Sunday for about 6 hours.

    Interestingly, it was rather a chilly June Gloom — wake up and put on an extra blanket type weather — until about 4 days ago.

  101. @Jefferson
    @Buffalo Joe

    "I see no movement of the perpetrators of violent crime to middle class status."

    The real money in thug life is in organized crime, not disorganized crime. The vast majority of Black crime is disorganized crime. Their definition of a huge score is for example robbing $300 dollars in cash from a liquor store owner.

    $300 dollars does not even cover 1 month's worth of rent in the poorest most high crime neighborhoods in The Bay Area.

    Negro disorganized crime gangbang for chump change. They thug life for scraps.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Jefferson, Don’t know what happened to the rest of my comment….but Italian crime “families”, not gangs, quickly steered their children into college and a crime free life. Most first generation American Mafiosos were actually related, thus family.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Buffalo Joe

    "Jefferson, Don’t know what happened to the rest of my comment….but Italian crime “families”, not gangs, quickly steered their children into college and a crime free life. Most first generation American Mafiosos were actually related, thus family."

    When it comes to violence, Blacks on average are better criminals than Asians and Whites. But when it comes to actually making a decent financial living off of crime, Asians and Whites on average are better criminals than Blacks.

    The Mexican drug cartels however have all of the strengths of Negro criminals (violence) but none of the weaknesses of Negro criminals (don't know how to make real money).

    When it comes to crime, Blacks have a lot of muscle but rarely any brains. Hence why very few Blacks make middle class wages or higher off crime.

  102. @RadicalCenter
    @fnn

    Good point, but fact remains that when I lived in Chicago in late 80s and early 90s, there were vastly, vastly fewer Mexicans than are there now.

    Mexicans were not even one-fourth the presence in Chicago just 30 years ago that they are now, if that.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “Good point, but fact remains that when I lived in Chicago in late 80s and early 90s, there were vastly, vastly fewer Mexicans than are there now.

    Mexicans were not even one-fourth the presence in Chicago just 30 years ago that they are now, if that.”

    Mexicans drove White Catholics (Italians, Polish, Irish) out of Cicero.

  103. @Buffalo Joe
    @Jefferson

    Jefferson, Don't know what happened to the rest of my comment....but Italian crime "families", not gangs, quickly steered their children into college and a crime free life. Most first generation American Mafiosos were actually related, thus family.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “Jefferson, Don’t know what happened to the rest of my comment….but Italian crime “families”, not gangs, quickly steered their children into college and a crime free life. Most first generation American Mafiosos were actually related, thus family.”

    When it comes to violence, Blacks on average are better criminals than Asians and Whites. But when it comes to actually making a decent financial living off of crime, Asians and Whites on average are better criminals than Blacks.

    The Mexican drug cartels however have all of the strengths of Negro criminals (violence) but none of the weaknesses of Negro criminals (don’t know how to make real money).

    When it comes to crime, Blacks have a lot of muscle but rarely any brains. Hence why very few Blacks make middle class wages or higher off crime.

  104. @IA

    This honor culture explains the high rates of violent crime among African Americans who, living amidst southern whites for over a century, incorporated those values.
     
    By that logic golfers, especially poorer ones on public courses, should be the most violent criminals on the planet. They even call it an "honor" to tee off first after winning the previous hole. You are held accountable for your correct stroke count and the many penalties inflicted that are just bad luck.

    More seriously, the complex European honor system demanded courtesy, not as a sign of weakness, but of strength and good breeding. Men (and women concerning chastity) who could not maintain their honor lost status. Primitive/schoolyard honor is simply hitting someone back "twice as hard" as he hits you, to quote the US President in the year of our Lord 2009.

    Vendetta came about in Corsica because of the need to appease the murdered kinsman's ghost, which left unappeased, would haunt his kin. Also, because of almost continual occupation for a couple thousand years Corsicans developed a distrust of getting a fair trial. So differences would be settled mano a mano. Once Corsican men began to trust the legal system vendetta subsided. Blacks will never trust a white run criminal justice system, ergo, violence is permanent until state-sanctioned punishment (i.e., violence) outweighs the benefits of non-state-sanctioned violence.

    I will give him credit for not being silly enough to think poverty and "racism" are all there is to explain violent blacks. But, I could have told him that 40 years ago and saved us trillions.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    Blacks will never trust a white run criminal justice system, ergo, violence is permanent until state-sanctioned punishment (i.e., violence) outweighs the benefits of non-state-sanctioned violence.

    That would only apply to revenge killings. There is a lot of black violence with other motivations. Also, how’s the situation in Africa? Lots of peace and prosperity there?

    • Replies: @IA
    @Chrisnonymous

    Maybe it's my fault because I'm a crummy writer. Blacks will never trust a black criminal justice system either, or what passes for one. I mean, they're not fleeing white lands for the motherland.

  105. @Drakejax
    Slightly OT, but I've noticed that all the MSM Orlando shooting talk has been either about homophobia or gun control. However neither appears to be a factor. The gun control angle has been addressed here before, but the fact the shooter chose a gay club on Latin night appears from available evidence to be a matter of picking an easy target, not homopobia. Granted, the shooter's father has expressed typical Muslim attitudes against homosexuality, but the shooter himself appears to have been gay. He reportedly drove around several possible targets that night and probably settled on his gay nightclub hangout because it was a target rich environment that he was familiar with. All his communications before and during the shooting referenced ISIS or US bombing of Afghanistan, never anything against gays. He seems to have shot the club patrons becaus he saw them as American infidels, regardless of how the victims may have self-classified.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Almost Missouri, @markoh

    “the shooter’s father has expressed typical Muslim attitudes against homosexuality, but the shooter himself appears to have been gay”

    I thought this was already chewed over, but in most of the world (pretty much everywhere not having NW Euro culture) it is not considered homosexual to be the penetrator rather than the penetrated. So the US media, not at all being the multiculturalists they profess to be, don’t understand Mateen from his own point of view.

    Or one could just adapt the sarcasm of Kathy Shaidle’s old chestnut:

    “It’s not really gay when you beat them up [shoot them] afterwards.”

  106. @Steve Sailer
    @Drakejax

    "He reportedly drove around several possible targets that night and probably settled on his gay nightclub hangout because it was a target rich environment that he was familiar with. ... He seems to have shot the club patrons becaus he saw them as American infidels, regardless of how the victims may have self-classified."

    Very interesting perspective. Does this seem correct?

    Replies: @Drakejax, @Chrisnonymous

    The initial co-worker interview, Gilroy, reported that Mateen made anti-gay remarks, and his father claimed he made anti-gay comments when seeing 2 men kiss. Beyond the fact that the media was immediately going to jump to homophobia because of the involvement of gays and the “hate hoax” culture of assumptions, these seem to be the evidence for motivation.

    However, the father could have lied because he was trying to cover his son’s proclivities, or Mateen could have said something to his father to cover himself. Likewise, comments to Gilroy may have been overcompensation.

    It’s possible Gilroy is misremembering. He is also quoted as saying that Mateen had anger problems and that his main triggers were religion, race, and women (not gays). This comports well with Mateen’s dismissal from a court security job for making comments about women, Jews, and Fort Hood.

    All in all, when balanced against Mateen’s gay friends who said he treated them well, it seems most likely he is just a garden variety Islamic terrorist, not a self-loathing-gay variety Islamic terrorist.

    I’m guessing the smoking gun would be in the 911 tapes, but I’m not going to listen to those.

    Absent anti-gay comments during the shooting, I would have to agree with the commenter here who said the choice of locale was not related to gayness, but I’m a little disappointed by that. An army of angry gay pro-Trump voters would be a welcome ally…

  107. @RadicalCenter
    @Mark F.

    Need a source for that.

    Does it seem highly unlikely that higher-IQ women in the USA(who are disproportionately white and Asian, no?) kill their babies with elective abortion at a higher rate than low-IQ women (who are quite disproportionately African and perhaps disproportionately Mexican).

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    I think there are two empirical arguments against abortion as a eugenics program (leaving aside the moral argument).

    One was that availability of abortion leads to more out-of-wedlock births, which lead to more crime. It might seem counter-intuitive that more available abortion leads to more bastardy, but the statistical relationship is pretty solid. The cause could be that by making casual sex appear to be consequence-free, abortion vastly increases casual sex, not all of the consequences of which actually get aborted. So even if 60% of unwanted pregnancies are now aborted, that doesn’t help if the there are now 10x more unwanted pregnancies. I believe this argument was pursued by economist John Lott in some academic journals.

    The other argument I’ve seen (pursued by Steve Sailer?) was that the study that purported to show abortion reduced crime, by Steven Levitt, 1) made serious statistical error, 2) didn’t account for the crack epidemic and 3) didn’t normalize for race. Had Levitt adjusted for race, he would have seen that within each race, it is the highest-IQ members who are most likely to avail themselves of abortion, so abortion ends up reducing the most socially desirable procreation while the most undesirable procreation proceeds apace.

    Maybe our host can correct me if this is not right.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Almost Missouri

    "within each race, it is the highest-IQ members who are most likely to avail themselves of abortion"

    My guess from looking at a ton of statistics, but lacking anything definitive, is that in 1970-1990, the middle class and above used contraception, the working class used abortion, and the underclass just let stuff happen all the way to the maternity ward at County General.

    If that's true, it helps explain why Levitt's theory didn't work well for homicides. The majority of homicides are committed by blacks, and within blacks the majority of those are by underclass blacks. Legalized abortion decreased the numbers of working class blacks while having less effect on underclass blacks.

    But, keep in mind, that's my stylized best guess model. A decade ago I couldn't find any social science study that directly tested this picture of how the world works because it appears nobody had ever written it down before.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta

    , @Triumph104
    @Almost Missouri


    One was that availability of abortion leads to more out-of-wedlock births, which lead to more crime.
     
    Abortion and out-of-wedlock births are determined by culture.

    The US has an abortion rate of 21%. Similar to Japan (19%), South Korea (25%), and Singapore (23%). The out-of-wedlock birthrate for the US is 40%, while all of the three Asian countries have an OOW birthrate of less than 2%.

    Greece's abortion rate is 13% compared to Austria's 3%. The OOW for Greece is 7% and Austria is 40%.

    Except for the US, all of the countries have fertility rates of less than 1.5 children per woman. The US is 1.88. The black rate is 2.

    The number of abortions in the US have decreased steadily since 1980 despite a rise in population. The Hispanic birthrate just hit an all-time low. Teen pregnancies/births have plummeted since 1990 (probably in part due to the everyone must go to college mantra).

    Even if abortion were absolutely impossible, black women would still have a high oow because they cannot find marriage partners. To tell a black woman to wait until marriage is almost akin to telling her to never have children.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Almost Missouri, @stillCARealist, @NOTA

  108. @Anonymous
    Despite all the mafia ballyhoo, was crime perpetrated by Italians in the USA ever, in any way shape or form, even on the same scale of magnitude as black perpetrated crime? Mexicans are another story.

    I have more than a suspicion that 'Italians' were deliberately tossed into the mix - really and truly the violent crime which afflicts the USA as compared to nations of similar development is a black and black alone affliction - in order to mollify the stark racial nature of the debate by shitting on a particular segment of the white American population.

    Are Americans of Italian descent more crime prone than other white Americans? Are statistics kept on such matters? Do they bear this out? - or is the author talking out of his ass?

    Replies: @jimmyriddle, @stillCARealist, @Tony, @anon

    Using states as a proxy, New Jersey (high percentage of Italians)has one of the lowest white incarceration rates, while states with lots of scots/irish have the highest rates. Though this is 21st century we talking about here, not 100 years ago.

  109. @Almost Missouri
    @RadicalCenter

    I think there are two empirical arguments against abortion as a eugenics program (leaving aside the moral argument).

    One was that availability of abortion leads to more out-of-wedlock births, which lead to more crime. It might seem counter-intuitive that more available abortion leads to more bastardy, but the statistical relationship is pretty solid. The cause could be that by making casual sex appear to be consequence-free, abortion vastly increases casual sex, not all of the consequences of which actually get aborted. So even if 60% of unwanted pregnancies are now aborted, that doesn't help if the there are now 10x more unwanted pregnancies. I believe this argument was pursued by economist John Lott in some academic journals.

    The other argument I've seen (pursued by Steve Sailer?) was that the study that purported to show abortion reduced crime, by Steven Levitt, 1) made serious statistical error, 2) didn't account for the crack epidemic and 3) didn't normalize for race. Had Levitt adjusted for race, he would have seen that within each race, it is the highest-IQ members who are most likely to avail themselves of abortion, so abortion ends up reducing the most socially desirable procreation while the most undesirable procreation proceeds apace.

    Maybe our host can correct me if this is not right.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Triumph104

    “within each race, it is the highest-IQ members who are most likely to avail themselves of abortion”

    My guess from looking at a ton of statistics, but lacking anything definitive, is that in 1970-1990, the middle class and above used contraception, the working class used abortion, and the underclass just let stuff happen all the way to the maternity ward at County General.

    If that’s true, it helps explain why Levitt’s theory didn’t work well for homicides. The majority of homicides are committed by blacks, and within blacks the majority of those are by underclass blacks. Legalized abortion decreased the numbers of working class blacks while having less effect on underclass blacks.

    But, keep in mind, that’s my stylized best guess model. A decade ago I couldn’t find any social science study that directly tested this picture of how the world works because it appears nobody had ever written it down before.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    A decade ago I couldn’t find any social science study that directly tested this picture of how the world works

    I suspect a large part of the reason is the incorrect political and social conflation of unintended and unwanted pregnancy. (There must be a better word to separate unintended and unwanted, but I can't think of one.) The closest we've come to it is advocacy for women who resort to abortion because they can't afford other forms of birth control; or because they are ignorant about where babies come from due to lack of sex ed (which doesn't explain why so many women have multiple abortions); or the "food desert" access argument, only with regards to condoms and the pill. I seriously question the veracity of these problems for the American working class. On all sides of the political spectrum, no one dares touch the issue of abortion as a intentionally designated form of birth control. You'd think it doesn't exist or is negligible, but the statistics on abortion suggest otherwise.

    Replies: @stillCARealist, @NOTA

    , @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    @Steve Sailer

    That is a very interesting theory. So many grants for so many pointless studies.

    Sigh. Why can't science ask the questions that actually might matter?

    Blasphemy muzzled science in the middle ages... and still does.

    I can't believe that David Frum and Barry Latzer have the chutzpah to speak so frankly in 2016. There will be consequences.

  110. @Chrisnonymous
    @IA


    Blacks will never trust a white run criminal justice system, ergo, violence is permanent until state-sanctioned punishment (i.e., violence) outweighs the benefits of non-state-sanctioned violence.
     
    That would only apply to revenge killings. There is a lot of black violence with other motivations. Also, how's the situation in Africa? Lots of peace and prosperity there?

    Replies: @IA

    Maybe it’s my fault because I’m a crummy writer. Blacks will never trust a black criminal justice system either, or what passes for one. I mean, they’re not fleeing white lands for the motherland.

  111. @fnn
    @Hare Krishna

    "Mexican migration in the 1910s and 1920s was confined to the Western US and nonexistent in other parts of the country."

    Mexicans came (or were brought) to the steel mill neighborhoods of the south side of Chicago and NW Indiana during that era. Many were used as strikebreakers for the 1919 Steel Strike. "Mexican Immigrant Experience in the Urban Midwest: East Chicago, Indiana, 1919–1945": "Throughout the 1920s, approximately 30 percent of Inland's seven thousand employees were Mexican, making the firm the nation's largest employer of Mexican labor. By the mid-1920s the Youngstown Sheet and Tube Company also employed several hundred Mexicans at its East Chicago plan."

    Replies: @syonredux, @RadicalCenter, @Triumph104

    In the 90s I met a Mexican-American woman in Arizona who had been born in Chicago around 1930. She was illiterate, and spoke broken English and rudimentary Spanish. She said as a child that she didn’t like going to school so her mother let her stay home. I was so perplexed that a second generation American could be so disenfranchised that I didn’t even think to ask why her family was in Chicago, although I don’t know if she could have given me a clear answer.

    She later supported herself by working in the fields so I assumed that was what her parents did, but her father could have very well worked in the steel mills.

  112. @RadicalCenter
    @Jefferson

    Exactly. My wife and I are unable to wear our Trump shirts here in L.A. because we would inevitably be screamed at, cursed at, possibly spit at, and eventually physically attacked. I don't even trust the attackers to have the decency to leave my wife and our children out of the attack....

    Replies: @Hare Krishna

    White leftists, also a very numerous group in L.A. and California’s other large coastal cities, would attack someone wearing a Trump shirt as well. You’d be better off in Jefferson.

    Speaking of which I’m surprised Steve never posted about Six Californias, especially considering that there are parts of the state that preserve the old California much more than SoCal or the Bay Area do, and splitting up the state would allow those areas to preserve that old California spirit, culture, and quality of life.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    @Hare Krishna

    You are so right.

    I signed the ballot-access petition for the Six Californias initiative and CERTAINLY would have voted for the initiative if it had made the ballot.

    The Republicans should have done it by legislation years ago when they still could get it passed.

    Now the Dems will never allow the State to split up as it should. They know, among other things, that the Californias that do not include LA and San Francisco would routinely send moderate-to-conservative people -- often, horrors, WHITE AMERICAN people and Asian-American people, rather than sainted dark people -- to Congress.

    The new states in California that do NOT include LA or SF could also have a zero sales tax and/or lower excise taxes. Those new less-left States would draw millions of repeat shoppers every weekend over the new state lines from heavily, heavily taxed LA and SF, to buy electronics, clothing, shoes, and the old reliables, alcohol and tobacco and gasoline (and perhaps marijuana).

    And without voters from outside the LA and SF areas to somewhat moderate those city-states, taxes would likely become much higher. Imagine a gap between 10% or 12% or higher sales tax in LA and SF and zero sales tax in "East California" or "North California."

    So many reasons, cultural and economic, why we need this fascist/socialist/anti-small-business/anti-white/anti-Christian/anti-asian monstrosity known as the State of California to break up into more manageable, more responsive, more representative pieces.

    My wife and I can honestly say, to our own surprise, "We Love LA!" (as the Dodgers slogan goes). But with several small children we'd gladly look at moving to a new East California if it existed. Imagine the number of productive, peaceful, more-traditional people who would move to East CA and commute into LA, Pasadena, Glendale, Santa Ana, etc., on high-speed rail. (something else we could fund and get done if we weren't wasting billions on recently imported Third World slackers and dullards)

    Replies: @Hare Krishna

  113. @Jefferson
    @Buzz Mohawk

    "2. Blacks hate nature, are really uncomfortable in it. In America, more of the hoods are black."

    Barack Hussein Obama and his family were on vacation in Yosemite National Park last weekend.

    I wonder if his love of nature developed while living in Hawaii and Indonesia.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Harry Baldwin

    Barack Hussein Obama and his family were on vacation in Yosemite National Park last weekend.

    I wonder if his love of nature developed while living in Hawaii and Indonesia.

    It may have something to do with the fact that he is a half-white guy who grew up in a white family. He is not even descended from American blacks. He is black only by political choice, a choice he made during his early adulthood, essentially while he was in college shaping his political philosophy and identity.

    A president’s choosing a famous national park for his cushy family vacation is not an indication of a love for nature. If anything, it is a pose, something different from his usual time on Martha’s Vineyard with his rich, lefty SJW friends. It’s easy to go to a national park and do nothing but look around at the views while eating and sleeping in a luxurious lodge.

    Obama is a race-baiting opportunist with as much loyalty to Muslims as to blacks — maybe more. That should be obvious by now, especially in light of his administration’s current retconning and obfuscation of the Orlando Islamist Massacre

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @Buzz Mohawk


    He is black only by political choice, a choice he made during his early adulthood, essentially while he was in college shaping his political philosophy and identity.
     
    Aha! So race is a personal construct, then?

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

  114. @RadicalCenter
    @stillCARealist

    I don't think that Sicilians were ever anywhere near a majority of the Italians who immigrated to the USA, so it's quite unclear whether Sicilian crime rates are representative of Italian-immigrant crime rates more generally.

    Yes, I'm a proud Italian-American and I'll bet that there is little reliable evidence that Italian immigrants or their descendants are any more prone to violence or crime than any other white Anglo / European ethnic group who came here in large numbers.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “I don’t think that Sicilians were ever anywhere near a majority of the Italians who immigrated to the USA,”

    Not the majority, but Sicilians were a plurality of Italians who immigrated to The U.S, meaning the largest group of Italians that immigrated to The U.S.

    I am Siciliano and Calabrese American.

    • Replies: @EriK
    @Jefferson

    So you're part eggplant.

    H/T to Dennis Hopper.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_svnsF5OLbI

    , @RadicalCenter
    @Jefferson

    Thank you for the clarification, paisan ;) My Mom's family came to America from Naples and Amalfi in the 1880s-1890s and I thank God that they did.

  115. “Barry Latzer: The optimistic view is that the late ‘60s crime tsunami, which ended in the mid-1990s,”

    I thought it was pretty well established that crime in NYC and across the nation peaked in 1990 and started to decline dramatically thereafter, fully three years before Rudy Giuliani was inaugurated in Jan. 1994 and one year before President Clinton’s “Cops on the Street” law took effect, even though both tried to take credit for the secular decline in crime. But then Clinton tried to take credit for the economic expansion of the 1990’s even though the economy had bottomed out in March 1991, almost two years before Clinton took office. Post hoc ergo propter hoc. I believe there are numerous roosters around the world who take credit for the fact that the sun rises each morning as a result of their cockle-doo-de-dooing.

    • Replies: @tbraton
    @tbraton

    Correction to my prior post where I said "fully three years before Rudy Giuliani was inaugurated in Jan. 1994 and one year before President Clinton’s “Cops on the Street” law took effect." That should have been "one year more before President Clinton's "Cops on the Street" law took effect in 1995."

  116. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @Almost Missouri

    "within each race, it is the highest-IQ members who are most likely to avail themselves of abortion"

    My guess from looking at a ton of statistics, but lacking anything definitive, is that in 1970-1990, the middle class and above used contraception, the working class used abortion, and the underclass just let stuff happen all the way to the maternity ward at County General.

    If that's true, it helps explain why Levitt's theory didn't work well for homicides. The majority of homicides are committed by blacks, and within blacks the majority of those are by underclass blacks. Legalized abortion decreased the numbers of working class blacks while having less effect on underclass blacks.

    But, keep in mind, that's my stylized best guess model. A decade ago I couldn't find any social science study that directly tested this picture of how the world works because it appears nobody had ever written it down before.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta

    A decade ago I couldn’t find any social science study that directly tested this picture of how the world works

    I suspect a large part of the reason is the incorrect political and social conflation of unintended and unwanted pregnancy. (There must be a better word to separate unintended and unwanted, but I can’t think of one.) The closest we’ve come to it is advocacy for women who resort to abortion because they can’t afford other forms of birth control; or because they are ignorant about where babies come from due to lack of sex ed (which doesn’t explain why so many women have multiple abortions); or the “food desert” access argument, only with regards to condoms and the pill. I seriously question the veracity of these problems for the American working class. On all sides of the political spectrum, no one dares touch the issue of abortion as a intentionally designated form of birth control. You’d think it doesn’t exist or is negligible, but the statistics on abortion suggest otherwise.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    @Anonymous

    what do we call it when a girl gets pressured into sex and then pressured into an abortion?

    Unintended? Unwanted? Unplanned?

    , @NOTA
    @Anonymous

    I wonder what fraction of abortions are due to the guy running out on the girl and her feeling (sensibly) unable to handle raising a kid on her own. Even if the girl doesn't get a ring, she might still be willing to stick it out if the guy sticks around.

    That kinda fits with the middle class/ working class/underclass split. A middle class woman will try very hard not to get pregnant till she's ready to have a kid (married, done with school, financially stable). An underclass woman may not have any expectation that the guy would stick around. A working class woman probably does have that expectation, and is likely better at thinking through likely consequences to being a single mom on a minimum wage salary plus whatever poverty benefits she can get.

  117. @tbraton
    "Barry Latzer: The optimistic view is that the late ‘60s crime tsunami, which ended in the mid-1990s,"

    I thought it was pretty well established that crime in NYC and across the nation peaked in 1990 and started to decline dramatically thereafter, fully three years before Rudy Giuliani was inaugurated in Jan. 1994 and one year before President Clinton's "Cops on the Street" law took effect, even though both tried to take credit for the secular decline in crime. But then Clinton tried to take credit for the economic expansion of the 1990's even though the economy had bottomed out in March 1991, almost two years before Clinton took office. Post hoc ergo propter hoc. I believe there are numerous roosters around the world who take credit for the fact that the sun rises each morning as a result of their cockle-doo-de-dooing.

    Replies: @tbraton

    Correction to my prior post where I said “fully three years before Rudy Giuliani was inaugurated in Jan. 1994 and one year before President Clinton’s “Cops on the Street” law took effect.” That should have been “one year more before President Clinton’s “Cops on the Street” law took effect in 1995.”

  118. @International Jew
    @Anonymous


    But Latzer would rather have his nuts removed than admit that.
     
    Dunno, just in the parts Steve has quoted, Latzer says some pretty risqué things — explicitly mentioning blacks as a major source of crime, suggesting certain immigrant groups are more crime-prone than others, etc. These things are radioactive today.

    In fact, I learned some things: I didn't know that black-on-white crime was a major problem going back to the 1890s.

    And I'm starting to wonder if maybe everything we've believed about lynching is wrong. If lynchees ran about 2:1 black vs white, then if modern experience is a guide, that might have been roughly in line with the differential rates of criminality. Was lynching then no more than the analogue, in its day, of today's phony "mass incarceration crisis"?

    Replies: @SFG

    Interesting thought.

    Frum’s been sneaking crimethought into the Atlantic for a while. Wonder if he reads Steve?

    • Replies: @anon
    @SFG


    Frum’s been sneaking crimethought into the Atlantic for a while. Wonder if he reads Steve?
     
    Seems so. I've said unpleasant things about Mr Frum in the past which i will cautiously disavow.

    Replies: @vinteuil

  119. @Pat Gilligan
    @Brutusale


    It looks like whatever secret sauce has kept Boston’s murder rate in check is gone. Multiple shootings and deaths the past two weekends.
     
    Boston has become very Asian. So it must be that massive influx from Shanghai or Seoul. Needless to say, I'm kidding. Why can't all immigrants be as well-behaved and industrious and pleasant to be around as the East Asians? And I include white immigrants (Russia, Poland, Ireland) in this statement.

    [p.s.- And don't cite some public study for me, I have inside knowledge on this stuff in my job.]

    Replies: @Bill B., @PiltdownMan, @Brutusale

    Sure. Nevertheless Asian communities can be rife with crime. Indeed some might see them as crime prone.

    The style of course is different, less obtrusive and not discussed much. Certainly not with outsiders. Just to pick a mild example: how much exam cheating goes on in those Asian homes?

    A successful Chinese criminal/gangster can easily be someone who values his good name as a philanthropist and businessman.

    I talked to Ko Lin Chin – an academic who looks at Chinese crime – about two decades ago when he said it was a mistake for Americans to ignore Asian criminality which, ultimately, will break out into the wider community.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Bill B.

    "Sure. Nevertheless Asian communities can be rife with crime. Indeed some might see them as crime prone."

    NAMs (Hispanics and Afro Americans) make up 43 percent of Boston's population, so if there is a lot of crime in Boston than than that is the demographic who should take most of the blame, not Asians.

    "Indeed some might see them as crime prone."

    If Asians in The U.S are crime prone than what does that make Whites? There are more Whites than Asians in America's prison not just from raw numbers which are useless but also on a per capita basis which is the most important statistic, what really counts.

    Replies: @Discard, @anon

    , @Brutusale
    @Bill B.

    Leland Yee and "Shrimp Boy" Chow live in vain!

    I lived in 20% Asian Quincy MA (32% now) back in the 90s, and Asian-on-Asian home invasions occurred on a regular basis. They were rarely covered by the local media. I imagine it's only a matter of time before Asian criminality expands to belabor the roundeyes.

    Replies: @The most deplorable one

  120. @Steve Sailer
    @Almost Missouri

    "within each race, it is the highest-IQ members who are most likely to avail themselves of abortion"

    My guess from looking at a ton of statistics, but lacking anything definitive, is that in 1970-1990, the middle class and above used contraception, the working class used abortion, and the underclass just let stuff happen all the way to the maternity ward at County General.

    If that's true, it helps explain why Levitt's theory didn't work well for homicides. The majority of homicides are committed by blacks, and within blacks the majority of those are by underclass blacks. Legalized abortion decreased the numbers of working class blacks while having less effect on underclass blacks.

    But, keep in mind, that's my stylized best guess model. A decade ago I couldn't find any social science study that directly tested this picture of how the world works because it appears nobody had ever written it down before.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta

    That is a very interesting theory. So many grants for so many pointless studies.

    Sigh. Why can’t science ask the questions that actually might matter?

    Blasphemy muzzled science in the middle ages… and still does.

    I can’t believe that David Frum and Barry Latzer have the chutzpah to speak so frankly in 2016. There will be consequences.

  121. @Drakejax
    Slightly OT, but I've noticed that all the MSM Orlando shooting talk has been either about homophobia or gun control. However neither appears to be a factor. The gun control angle has been addressed here before, but the fact the shooter chose a gay club on Latin night appears from available evidence to be a matter of picking an easy target, not homopobia. Granted, the shooter's father has expressed typical Muslim attitudes against homosexuality, but the shooter himself appears to have been gay. He reportedly drove around several possible targets that night and probably settled on his gay nightclub hangout because it was a target rich environment that he was familiar with. All his communications before and during the shooting referenced ISIS or US bombing of Afghanistan, never anything against gays. He seems to have shot the club patrons becaus he saw them as American infidels, regardless of how the victims may have self-classified.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Almost Missouri, @markoh

    The Bataclan theatre influenced his choice?

    • Replies: @anon
    @markoh

    That seems very likely to me.

    For a long time it's been obvious what their best strategy was given their particular human resources and luckily for a long time they tried and failed to do the opposite.

    However they were always going to figure it out eventually by trial and error and when that process is complete the death toll will increase dramatically.

  122. @Steve Sailer
    @BostonTea

    Katrina van den Huevel, publisher of The Nation, is the granddaughter of Dr. Jules Stein, who booked all the musical acts in Chicago speakeasies. Stein, an eye doctor who found speakeasies more fun than medicine, was a close ally of Capone during the 1920s. Now he is best remembered as a Los Angeles philanthropist.

    Replies: @Judge Absalom

    Jules Stein is strangely mis-remembered.

    He turned that small Chicago music publisher and booking agency into MCA/Universal. All that time that Lew Wasserman was called The King of Hollywood — Wasserman was actually the #2 to Stein, who preferred to stay in the background.

    Read “When Hollywood Had a King” by Connie Bruck.

  123. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    From Steve's VDare article:

    The public`s biggest defensive move, of course: moving to the suburbs, far away from the bad guys. In contrast to Britain`s more enterprising urban criminals, who routinely drive 50 or 100 miles out into the countryside to commit home invasions, American hoods don`t like to leave the `hood. Homeboys aren`t comfortable away from home—fortunately.

     

    (Emphases mine)

    1. In contrast to Britons, we American exurbanites bear arms, as is our right to do, and the hoods know it. We also alarm our houses and train our dogs.

    2. Blacks hate nature, are really uncomfortable in it. In America, more of the hoods are black.

    Our rulers are attempting to eliminate point #1 by eroding the 2nd Amendment, and they are beginning to overcome point #2 by "Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing."

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Anon, @NOTA

    In a densely-packed ghetto environment in which nobody works, and where they’ve been on welfare for 3-4 generations, blacks are much more likely to be closely related to each other. They choose their mates from the same neighbors who have also been stuck in the hood for the past 3-4 generations. Over the same period of time, whites will have moved around a lot because of their jobs, and they choose mates in the various places where they end up. Blacks are also more likely to have known everyone around them since birth than whites are.

    In a sick way, this creates a strong sense of community, despite the insane levels of violence and crime ghetto blacks inflict on each other, and it helps reinforce the ‘us against them’ mentality that blacks have. Blacks are suspicious of and paranoid about whites because whites are outsiders to them, and they feel no sense of community with them at all. This is also why blacks commit jury nullification, even when they’re the victims of black crime.

    Blacks think of whites the same way an Indian tribe 500 years ago would feel about another Indian tribe many miles off. They might get along with them or they might not. But the tribes would always be suspicious of each other, and individual members wouldn’t hesitate to commit crimes or take advantage of the members of the other tribe if they were out of the eyes of their respective chiefs, and the relationships between the two groups would be always uneasy, ‘up in the air,’ and could change in an instant to full-blown warfare. Young black males think it’s okay to rob a white person if they happen to cross paths with them on the street. A black community will go into full rage mode en masse over a white cop shooting a black perp exactly the way an Indian tribe would blow up and go on the warpath if someone from another tribe stole one of their horses.

    Black thinking is entirely tribal and not like that of modern people with a modern sense of community.

    • Agree: E. Rekshun
    • Replies: @anon
    @Anon

    Your completely right about the tribal mentality of blacks. 60 or 70 blacks can get shot BY OTHER BLACKS every single weekend in Chicago's south side AND THAT IS OKAY. It is tribal business.

    But when one beleaguered white cop shoots a black thug (or "youth" to use the media euphemism), it's full metal jacket BLM routine.

  124. @Jefferson
    @Buzz Mohawk

    "2. Blacks hate nature, are really uncomfortable in it. In America, more of the hoods are black."

    Barack Hussein Obama and his family were on vacation in Yosemite National Park last weekend.

    I wonder if his love of nature developed while living in Hawaii and Indonesia.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Harry Baldwin

    I think Obama is embarrassed by the fact that blacks don’t visit national parks and is trying to set an example.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Harry Baldwin

    "I think Obama is embarrassed by the fact that blacks don’t visit national parks and is trying to set an example."

    Could you see a president Ta-Nehisi Coates visiting Yosemite National Park?

  125. @Pat Gilligan
    @Brutusale


    It looks like whatever secret sauce has kept Boston’s murder rate in check is gone. Multiple shootings and deaths the past two weekends.
     
    Boston has become very Asian. So it must be that massive influx from Shanghai or Seoul. Needless to say, I'm kidding. Why can't all immigrants be as well-behaved and industrious and pleasant to be around as the East Asians? And I include white immigrants (Russia, Poland, Ireland) in this statement.

    [p.s.- And don't cite some public study for me, I have inside knowledge on this stuff in my job.]

    Replies: @Bill B., @PiltdownMan, @Brutusale

    And I include white immigrants (Russia, Poland, Ireland) in this statement.

    Far be it from me to repeat casual stereotypes in a fact and data based forum like iSteve, so I will restrict myself to two words.

    Surly drunks.

  126. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Jefferson


    Barack Hussein Obama and his family were on vacation in Yosemite National Park last weekend.

    I wonder if his love of nature developed while living in Hawaii and Indonesia.

     

    It may have something to do with the fact that he is a half-white guy who grew up in a white family. He is not even descended from American blacks. He is black only by political choice, a choice he made during his early adulthood, essentially while he was in college shaping his political philosophy and identity.

    A president's choosing a famous national park for his cushy family vacation is not an indication of a love for nature. If anything, it is a pose, something different from his usual time on Martha's Vineyard with his rich, lefty SJW friends. It's easy to go to a national park and do nothing but look around at the views while eating and sleeping in a luxurious lodge.

    Obama is a race-baiting opportunist with as much loyalty to Muslims as to blacks -- maybe more. That should be obvious by now, especially in light of his administration's current retconning and obfuscation of the Orlando Islamist Massacre

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

    He is black only by political choice, a choice he made during his early adulthood, essentially while he was in college shaping his political philosophy and identity.

    Aha! So race is a personal construct, then?

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @PiltdownMan

    When you're half-and-half, it's a crap shoot. He chose to identify with one half, when in fact he seems to manifest the other half more.

    He wants it both ways, as the left always does: to be a personal construct while simultaneously receiving special treatment for (half of) his genetic makeup.

    The simple fact is he is genetically half Kenyan African, and not African American at all.

  127. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Pandos
    Perhaps after WWII the returnees had had enough of killing but were ready to kill and knew how to and would - and crime went down.

    Replies: @Anon, @Studley

    In WWII, if you committed a serious crime like murder of one of your fellow soldiers or a civilian, the army would execute you. Louis Till, Emmett Till’s father, was executed for raping and murdering a woman while he was in uniform. The bad guys who were drafted often didn’t last very long. They were either killed in combat (sociopathy can make you too bold for your own good), or their own criminality in the ranks did them in. A certain percentage of them never survived to return to civilian life, and this lowered the crime rate after the war.

  128. @Almost Missouri
    @RadicalCenter

    I think there are two empirical arguments against abortion as a eugenics program (leaving aside the moral argument).

    One was that availability of abortion leads to more out-of-wedlock births, which lead to more crime. It might seem counter-intuitive that more available abortion leads to more bastardy, but the statistical relationship is pretty solid. The cause could be that by making casual sex appear to be consequence-free, abortion vastly increases casual sex, not all of the consequences of which actually get aborted. So even if 60% of unwanted pregnancies are now aborted, that doesn't help if the there are now 10x more unwanted pregnancies. I believe this argument was pursued by economist John Lott in some academic journals.

    The other argument I've seen (pursued by Steve Sailer?) was that the study that purported to show abortion reduced crime, by Steven Levitt, 1) made serious statistical error, 2) didn't account for the crack epidemic and 3) didn't normalize for race. Had Levitt adjusted for race, he would have seen that within each race, it is the highest-IQ members who are most likely to avail themselves of abortion, so abortion ends up reducing the most socially desirable procreation while the most undesirable procreation proceeds apace.

    Maybe our host can correct me if this is not right.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Triumph104

    One was that availability of abortion leads to more out-of-wedlock births, which lead to more crime.

    Abortion and out-of-wedlock births are determined by culture.

    The US has an abortion rate of 21%. Similar to Japan (19%), South Korea (25%), and Singapore (23%). The out-of-wedlock birthrate for the US is 40%, while all of the three Asian countries have an OOW birthrate of less than 2%.

    Greece’s abortion rate is 13% compared to Austria’s 3%. The OOW for Greece is 7% and Austria is 40%.

    Except for the US, all of the countries have fertility rates of less than 1.5 children per woman. The US is 1.88. The black rate is 2.

    The number of abortions in the US have decreased steadily since 1980 despite a rise in population. The Hispanic birthrate just hit an all-time low. Teen pregnancies/births have plummeted since 1990 (probably in part due to the everyone must go to college mantra).

    Even if abortion were absolutely impossible, black women would still have a high oow because they cannot find marriage partners. To tell a black woman to wait until marriage is almost akin to telling her to never have children.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Triumph104

    "Greece’s abortion rate is 13% compared to Austria’s 3%. The OOW for Greece is 7% and Austria is 40%."

    Why is the percentage of single mothers so high in Austria?

    "The US has an abortion rate of 21%. Similar to Japan (19%), South Korea (25%), and Singapore (23%). The out-of-wedlock birthrate for the US is 40%, while all of the three Asian countries have an OOW birthrate of less than 2%."

    It's hard to get an Asian MILF girlfriend because there are not that many Asian mothers in The U.S who are single.

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Triumph104


    "To tell a black woman to wait until marriage is almost akin to telling her to never have children."
     
    Someone told them until the 1960's. And they listened.
    , @stillCARealist
    @Triumph104

    So in those Asian countries it's married women having abortions and in the US it's single women? Why would married women have abortions? Sex selection?

    It sounds like Grecians just don't make babies.

    Replies: @Saint Louis

    , @NOTA
    @Triumph104

    And I think that is largely driven by two other iSteve-type issues:

    a. Lots of black men are in jail or dead, thanks to the high crime rate in the black community.

    b. Black women are less in demand in the dating market than white, Asian, and Hispanic women; black men tend to do better with non-black women than black women do with non-black men.

    Replies: @Triumph104

  129. Tracy says: • Website

    There’s a difference between mainland Italians and Sicilians (trust me; ask a Sicilian). I’m Italian, and my people were chased out of Pennsylvania by the mob after being tipped off by a cop. Wish I knew more about that story, but alas. It nonetheless anecdotally highlights the difference between the connected and the unconnected, the former being mostly Siciliani.

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one
    @Tracy

    I can believe this. Less gene flow into Sicily means more genetically violent people.

    The sort of people you want on your side in a fight.

  130. @Kyle a
    Was told once there isn't much difference between an African and Italian. Go screw yourself Sammy the Bull

    Replies: @anon

    I don’t know about that sport. I would rather live in Italy then Somalia.

    But hey, what do I know?

  131. The most deplorable one [AKA "#Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Tracy
    There's a difference between mainland Italians and Sicilians (trust me; ask a Sicilian). I'm Italian, and my people were chased out of Pennsylvania by the mob after being tipped off by a cop. Wish I knew more about that story, but alas. It nonetheless anecdotally highlights the difference between the connected and the unconnected, the former being mostly Siciliani.

    Replies: @The most deplorable one

    I can believe this. Less gene flow into Sicily means more genetically violent people.

    The sort of people you want on your side in a fight.

  132. @PiltdownMan
    @Buzz Mohawk


    He is black only by political choice, a choice he made during his early adulthood, essentially while he was in college shaping his political philosophy and identity.
     
    Aha! So race is a personal construct, then?

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    When you’re half-and-half, it’s a crap shoot. He chose to identify with one half, when in fact he seems to manifest the other half more.

    He wants it both ways, as the left always does: to be a personal construct while simultaneously receiving special treatment for (half of) his genetic makeup.

    The simple fact is he is genetically half Kenyan African, and not African American at all.

  133. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Why?

    Numbers of young men per ethnic group times the average propensity for violent crime in that group.

    So if three pops A, B, C had an average propensity of 2, 1, 4 and young men were respectively 20%, 30% and 40% of the three pops and the three pops were respectively 60%, 10% and 30% of total population an area then their rate would be
    – 60% x 20% x 2 = 0.36
    – 10% x 30% x 1 = 0.03
    – 30% x 40% x 4 = 0.48
    – total 0.87

    (with a bonus amount of violence when there’s an excess of young males to young females among ethnic groups with a high propensity for violence)

    (similar competition among low violence groups -> education, non-violent crime, cultural warfare)

    Frum: Maybe we can get some perspective on today’s crime situation by more closely examining the previous peak, 1890-1935, and the previous plunge, 1935-1965. Why in your estimation did crime spike so high in that first period and drop so deep in the second?

    It peaked because mass immigration from the poorer edges of Europe brought an excess of young males into the northern cities and it was stopped by the 1924 immigration act.

    Optimists point to the absence of factors that brought on the 60s crime boom: no immigration or migration of high-crime populations, no demographic upsurge in the youth population.

    Sick joke -there’s massive immigration of high crime populations and an upsurge in the youth demographic of those populations disguised by

    – drop in crime among aging majority population (fewer young males as a proportion)
    – high incarceration rate
    – paramedics reducing the homicide rate
    – deliberate mis-labeling of non-white criminals as white
    – media pressure leading to police ignoring crimes that can be hidden and contradict PC e.g. mass forced child prostitution

    I’m more optimistic about crime. Americans have invested enormously over the last two generations in crime-proofing themselves, as I pointed out 8 years ago. There are probably more anti-crime innovations possible.

    You’re in for a shock.

    When the drop in white crime (due to age distribution) is finally outweighed by the massive increase in other (mostly non-Asian) populations the numbers will explode upwards with no way down because that crime-proofing (white flight + high incarceration) will be abolished at the same time – at least for white people.

    nb Asians can escape the coming 3rd great pogrom by forming Asian enclaves as HUD is only going to section 8 white people.

  134. @Anonymous
    Despite all the mafia ballyhoo, was crime perpetrated by Italians in the USA ever, in any way shape or form, even on the same scale of magnitude as black perpetrated crime? Mexicans are another story.

    I have more than a suspicion that 'Italians' were deliberately tossed into the mix - really and truly the violent crime which afflicts the USA as compared to nations of similar development is a black and black alone affliction - in order to mollify the stark racial nature of the debate by shitting on a particular segment of the white American population.

    Are Americans of Italian descent more crime prone than other white Americans? Are statistics kept on such matters? Do they bear this out? - or is the author talking out of his ass?

    Replies: @jimmyriddle, @stillCARealist, @Tony, @anon

    was crime perpetrated by Italians in the USA ever, in any way shape or form, even on the same scale of magnitude as black perpetrated crime?

    The first wave of mass immigration is skewed to young men so you get bonus violent crime related to competition for females.

  135. @Bill B.
    @Pat Gilligan

    Sure. Nevertheless Asian communities can be rife with crime. Indeed some might see them as crime prone.

    The style of course is different, less obtrusive and not discussed much. Certainly not with outsiders. Just to pick a mild example: how much exam cheating goes on in those Asian homes?

    A successful Chinese criminal/gangster can easily be someone who values his good name as a philanthropist and businessman.

    I talked to Ko Lin Chin - an academic who looks at Chinese crime - about two decades ago when he said it was a mistake for Americans to ignore Asian criminality which, ultimately, will break out into the wider community.

    https://www.amazon.com/Chinese-Subculture-Criminality-Non-traditional-Contributions/dp/031327262X/ref=sr_1_9?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1466474624&sr=1-9

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Brutusale

    “Sure. Nevertheless Asian communities can be rife with crime. Indeed some might see them as crime prone.”

    NAMs (Hispanics and Afro Americans) make up 43 percent of Boston’s population, so if there is a lot of crime in Boston than than that is the demographic who should take most of the blame, not Asians.

    “Indeed some might see them as crime prone.”

    If Asians in The U.S are crime prone than what does that make Whites? There are more Whites than Asians in America’s prison not just from raw numbers which are useless but also on a per capita basis which is the most important statistic, what really counts.

    • Replies: @Discard
    @Jefferson

    Oriental crime is under-reported. The criminals keep it within their own kind. The crime bosses are adults and know that robbing Whites would bring the cops down on them. The Oriental victims are afraid to tell the cops, and the gangs make sure they know what will happen if they do. It's hugely frustrating to the police departments in once-White towns like Arcadia and San Marino, Calif.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    , @anon
    @Jefferson

    I have long believed that Asian crime has been vastly under-reported. It is kept within the community. While admittedly things like murder can not be ignored, many kinds of non-violent crimes (shakedowns of store owners, etc) can be kept off the radar if the victims decline to go to the police.

    Replies: @NOTA

  136. The 1890s were a low-crime period in the big cities of the North. In the South, however, black violent crime rose and rural whites panicked, leading to the lynching and convict lease policies of that era.

    It’s amazing to actually read in a mainstream source an acknowledgement that lynchings were a response to surges in black criminality. When I was at school I was taught that they were just people being nasty for the heck of it. As I got older I became acquainted with the more sophisticated theory that they were motivated by fears of black sexuality or whatever. I can actually remember the moment, back when my views still verged on being respectable, when I was having a conversation with someone who brought up lynching and the penny finally dropped.

    • Replies: @Grandpa Jack
    @Gabriel M

    Its like the tall tale of whites snatching blacks from Africa to bring to the US. We even heard from teachers that this was what happened, and I remember (being forced to ) sit through a presentation from a black woman at our high school 're-enacting' the life of a slave, being 'captured' by whites and being brought to the US where she was subjected to constant abuse and given only stale bread and water.

    Only while in college did I find out that blacks were captured by other blacks, and sold into slavery to whites. And it wasn't from the wonderful teaching of the college, but by a letter written in by a student to the college paper, which led to me confirming it through my own digging into the matter.

    There's a lot they've been lying to us about all things PC. The funny thing is, in the end, many if not most people eventually recognize the lies, and it only hurts their position to have lied.

    , @SPMoore8
    @Gabriel M

    Lynchings are just extra-judicial executions and are carried out for a number of reasons. For example, Laura Nelson (black woman) was lynched because she and her son had killed a deputy sheriff. A number were lynched for murder, or rape-murder, before they could be properly executed. So to a certain extent the linkage of high black crime: lynchings is valid, but let's not get carried away: it looks like most lynchings occurred in the last 20 years of the 19th Century.

    Not all lynchings involved black people: Leo Frank (white Jewish) and the killers of Brooke Hart in San Jose in 1933 (the victim was Jewish, the two white guys were not). I grew up hearing stories about that one; legend is Jackie Coogan held one of the ropes.

    On the other hand there were a number (maybe 20%) that were motivated by racial hatred and where the "crime" was nothing more than being "uppity" and having sex with a white woman. Things like the 1920 Duluth lynching or the 1921 Tulsa riots (which followed another false rape accusation) are hard to explain as other than race based.

    About 40% of the 4,743 lynchings involved homicides, 19% involved rape. But in most of their cases there was a legal system to handle the cases, people just wanted to mob. 3,446 of those lynched were black, which means that almost 1,300 were white.

    85 (presumably black) people were lynched for "insulting a white person." So there is some truth to the narrative. Not only that, but a large number of lynchings were carried out with unbelievable sadism, including stripping the victims, dousing them, and then setting them on fire. I realize some people want to reclaim this shame or justify it but it really just isn't possible.

    Here's a good page with links to stats:

    http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/shipp/lynchstats.html

    Replies: @Marty T

  137. @Anonymous Nephew
    @Reg Cæsar

    "We still drink like Northern Europeans, but view most public drunkenness as a disgrace, as Southern Europeans do."

    The Brits viewed public drunkeness as disgraceful behaviour well into the 1960s, before they were taught better. For a woman it was shameful, for a man it was unmanly - "he can't hold his drink".

    https://web.archive.org/web/20041009225944/http://daily.nysun.com/Repository/getmailfiles.asp?Style=OliveXLib:ArticleToMail&Type=text/html&Path=NYS/2004/05/17&ID=Ar00104


    BIRMINGHAM, England — Late on a Saturday night in Britain’s second-largest city, what looks like an enormous street-party is in full, Bacchanalian bloom. Dance music pulsates from the nightclubs as thousands of men and women shout and scream on the sidewalk, tumble out of doorways, and bellow from passing cars. Most of Birmingham is asleep, but here on Broad Street no one will go to bed for hours.

    Despite the near-freezing temperature, people are dressed in astonishingly little. Women in mini-skirts, high heels, and halter tops shiver visibly, hugging their sides with cold. A girl staggers down the sidewalk on stiletto heels, bent over and clutching her stomach: She’s about to vomit.Another collapses entirely, and her friends howl with laughter as policemen stare impassively. The crowd, which is multiracial, ranges from white men with shaved heads to Bangladeshis with gold-capped teeth. People eat as they walk, dropping fast-food wrappers on the ground.The noise is unbelievable.

    The throng includes the unlikely figure of Anthony Daniels, better known to readers of City Journal, the New Criterion, and the London Spectator by his pen name, Theodore Dalrymple. Stocky and balding, he has a wheezy laugh, a pugnacious mouth, and the devil-may-care smile of the born provocateur.

    “If you can have ideological drunkenness, this is ideological drunkenness,” Mr. Daniels says, almost shouting to make himself heard.

    “And what is the ideology?”

    “The ideology is, ‘I’ve got a right to do whatever I like, and you’re not going to stop me.’”

    Mr. Daniels has invited me to look at what’s going on not because it’s unusual, but because it’s commonplace, ordinary, and to be seen every weekend in urban centers all over the country. “This is British culture,” he says. “What you are now seeing is British culture.”
     

    Replies: @stillCARealist, @Expletive Deleted, @Forbes, @anon

    “This is British culture,” he says. “What you are now seeing is British culture.”

    This was British culture before it was poisoned by people like Mr Daniels.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2153438/Diamond-Jubilee-Enchanting-photos-life-like-Queen-came-throne.html

  138. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Johanus de Morgateroyde
    I've been thinking lately that three-strikes lockups and mandatory long sentencing have put a lot of MAOA-2R individuals on the sidelines for much of their reproductive careers.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter, @anon

    I think that’s partially true but would be a lot truer if it happened younger – a 19 year old who’s been in and out of juvenile courts for years and built up a scary reputation how many baby mommas does he already have by then?

    I’d have a juvenile version that applied from much younger but with a cut off so they were let out in their mid 20s or so.

    By that time the baby mommas would have had their kids from the UPS guy.

  139. @Triumph104
    @Almost Missouri


    One was that availability of abortion leads to more out-of-wedlock births, which lead to more crime.
     
    Abortion and out-of-wedlock births are determined by culture.

    The US has an abortion rate of 21%. Similar to Japan (19%), South Korea (25%), and Singapore (23%). The out-of-wedlock birthrate for the US is 40%, while all of the three Asian countries have an OOW birthrate of less than 2%.

    Greece's abortion rate is 13% compared to Austria's 3%. The OOW for Greece is 7% and Austria is 40%.

    Except for the US, all of the countries have fertility rates of less than 1.5 children per woman. The US is 1.88. The black rate is 2.

    The number of abortions in the US have decreased steadily since 1980 despite a rise in population. The Hispanic birthrate just hit an all-time low. Teen pregnancies/births have plummeted since 1990 (probably in part due to the everyone must go to college mantra).

    Even if abortion were absolutely impossible, black women would still have a high oow because they cannot find marriage partners. To tell a black woman to wait until marriage is almost akin to telling her to never have children.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Almost Missouri, @stillCARealist, @NOTA

    “Greece’s abortion rate is 13% compared to Austria’s 3%. The OOW for Greece is 7% and Austria is 40%.”

    Why is the percentage of single mothers so high in Austria?

    “The US has an abortion rate of 21%. Similar to Japan (19%), South Korea (25%), and Singapore (23%). The out-of-wedlock birthrate for the US is 40%, while all of the three Asian countries have an OOW birthrate of less than 2%.”

    It’s hard to get an Asian MILF girlfriend because there are not that many Asian mothers in The U.S who are single.

  140. @SFG
    @International Jew

    Interesting thought.

    Frum's been sneaking crimethought into the Atlantic for a while. Wonder if he reads Steve?

    Replies: @anon

    Frum’s been sneaking crimethought into the Atlantic for a while. Wonder if he reads Steve?

    Seems so. I’ve said unpleasant things about Mr Frum in the past which i will cautiously disavow.

    • Replies: @vinteuil
    @anon

    Don't disavow anything unpleasant you've ever said about Frum. He's a classic opportunist & climber. He's happy to trade off Sailer's insights, but never in a million years would he acknowledge his debt.

    Met him once, at a Cato Institute function. The word "oleaginous" doesn't even begin to do him justice.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  141. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @markoh
    @Drakejax

    The Bataclan theatre influenced his choice?

    Replies: @anon

    That seems very likely to me.

    For a long time it’s been obvious what their best strategy was given their particular human resources and luckily for a long time they tried and failed to do the opposite.

    However they were always going to figure it out eventually by trial and error and when that process is complete the death toll will increase dramatically.

  142. @Harry Baldwin
    @Jefferson

    I think Obama is embarrassed by the fact that blacks don't visit national parks and is trying to set an example.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “I think Obama is embarrassed by the fact that blacks don’t visit national parks and is trying to set an example.”

    Could you see a president Ta-Nehisi Coates visiting Yosemite National Park?

  143. anon • Disclaimer says:

    on the why?

    genetics

    there’s going to be multiple genes associated with violent crime but i think one will be an “ease of killing” or killer gene

    why would a gene like that develop?

    cos useful for predatory hunters like humans

    so my guess is the frequency of the killer gene reaches a peak in hunter-gatherers (or at least some of them) and is selected against otherwise

    if so then maybe the base model for violent crime is
    – ten point scale
    – HGs have a rating of 10
    – each century a population is mainly herders reduces it by 0.1
    – each century a population is mainly farmers reduces it by 0.3
    – minimum rate of 1

    then you could rate each existing population by how long it’s been since their ancestors were HGs and see how well that maps onto reality

    for example – compare different regions of Mexico where some are descended from farmers and some were still HGs until the Spanish

    or central America more generally

    or different tribes in Africa

    or northern Europeans vs southern Europeans

    basically places where farming hasn’t been 100% for a long time and there are nearby groups with different histories

    I think black violent crime is *partly* related to being HGs more recently.

    #

    one way to find the killer gene (if it exists) is compare murderers with butchers and surgeons as the butchers and surgeons probably have it too.

  144. @anon
    @SFG


    Frum’s been sneaking crimethought into the Atlantic for a while. Wonder if he reads Steve?
     
    Seems so. I've said unpleasant things about Mr Frum in the past which i will cautiously disavow.

    Replies: @vinteuil

    Don’t disavow anything unpleasant you’ve ever said about Frum. He’s a classic opportunist & climber. He’s happy to trade off Sailer’s insights, but never in a million years would he acknowledge his debt.

    Met him once, at a Cato Institute function. The word “oleaginous” doesn’t even begin to do him justice.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @vinteuil

    I don't think that's fair to Frum.

  145. @vinteuil
    @anon

    Don't disavow anything unpleasant you've ever said about Frum. He's a classic opportunist & climber. He's happy to trade off Sailer's insights, but never in a million years would he acknowledge his debt.

    Met him once, at a Cato Institute function. The word "oleaginous" doesn't even begin to do him justice.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    I don’t think that’s fair to Frum.

  146. @Jefferson
    @Bill B.

    "Sure. Nevertheless Asian communities can be rife with crime. Indeed some might see them as crime prone."

    NAMs (Hispanics and Afro Americans) make up 43 percent of Boston's population, so if there is a lot of crime in Boston than than that is the demographic who should take most of the blame, not Asians.

    "Indeed some might see them as crime prone."

    If Asians in The U.S are crime prone than what does that make Whites? There are more Whites than Asians in America's prison not just from raw numbers which are useless but also on a per capita basis which is the most important statistic, what really counts.

    Replies: @Discard, @anon

    Oriental crime is under-reported. The criminals keep it within their own kind. The crime bosses are adults and know that robbing Whites would bring the cops down on them. The Oriental victims are afraid to tell the cops, and the gangs make sure they know what will happen if they do. It’s hugely frustrating to the police departments in once-White towns like Arcadia and San Marino, Calif.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Discard

    "It'ss hugely frustrating to the police departments in once-White towns like Arcadia and San Marino, Calif."

    Majority Asian San Marino and Arcadia have murder rates that are significantly lower than the national average. So it is not exactly a dangerous job to be a police officer in those Asian cities.

    Also most White people can not afford to purchase a home in Arcadia and San Marino.

    That's how you know majority Asian San Marino and Arcadia are not 3rd World hellholes when not even most 1st World Whites can afford to live there.

    But most 1st World Whites can afford to live in 3rd World hellholes like Compton and Camden if they wanted to.

  147. This guy is rare in being so candid, but the flaw in his analysis is focusing only on what’s going on in Northern cities as being the only thing important for the US. Granted, he’s from NY, but if you’re claiming to be discussing US crime, thinking in terms of ‘crime rates are down because they’re down in NY’ is limiting. He claims the 1890s weren’t a crime boom because crime was low in the Northern cities, while booming in the South because of blacks. The crime boom only starts (for him) when blacks start migrating to Northern cities. Now we can count it as a boom for the US. During a period when they aren’t migrating to the North, he considers this as a cause for a more peaceful time in the US (though if they aren’t migrating North, they’re still ‘doing their thing’ in the South).

  148. @Gabriel M

    The 1890s were a low-crime period in the big cities of the North. In the South, however, black violent crime rose and rural whites panicked, leading to the lynching and convict lease policies of that era.
     
    It's amazing to actually read in a mainstream source an acknowledgement that lynchings were a response to surges in black criminality. When I was at school I was taught that they were just people being nasty for the heck of it. As I got older I became acquainted with the more sophisticated theory that they were motivated by fears of black sexuality or whatever. I can actually remember the moment, back when my views still verged on being respectable, when I was having a conversation with someone who brought up lynching and the penny finally dropped.

    Replies: @Grandpa Jack, @SPMoore8

    Its like the tall tale of whites snatching blacks from Africa to bring to the US. We even heard from teachers that this was what happened, and I remember (being forced to ) sit through a presentation from a black woman at our high school ‘re-enacting’ the life of a slave, being ‘captured’ by whites and being brought to the US where she was subjected to constant abuse and given only stale bread and water.

    Only while in college did I find out that blacks were captured by other blacks, and sold into slavery to whites. And it wasn’t from the wonderful teaching of the college, but by a letter written in by a student to the college paper, which led to me confirming it through my own digging into the matter.

    There’s a lot they’ve been lying to us about all things PC. The funny thing is, in the end, many if not most people eventually recognize the lies, and it only hurts their position to have lied.

  149. @Pandos
    Perhaps after WWII the returnees had had enough of killing but were ready to kill and knew how to and would - and crime went down.

    Replies: @Anon, @Studley

    Only thing I’ve read on that point was in a sociology book (I know, but bear with me!) that claimed there was an upturn in the murder rate in 1945-6 in the U.K. I don’t know of any similar result for the U.S. The author said this is easy to interpret, “The hard men back from Europe/Italy/Burma were settling old scores before handing in their service weapons.”

    As to non-killing but still violent deterrence by veterans, an anecdote from George Macdonald Fraser, novelist, screenwriter, ex-Burma, in his autobiography. From memory, in the 1970s he was having lunch with Alan Badel (stage and screen actor) discussing a script, they walked out to their cars after they’d finished and a youth was trying to break into Badel’s. With no fuss, Badel just grabbed the thief’s hand and broke it by slamming it between the door, waved farewell to Fraser and drove off.

    Badel did jump on D-Day as Fraser noted. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Badel

    https://paradata.org.uk/people/alan-f-badel

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
  150. @Triumph104
    @Almost Missouri


    One was that availability of abortion leads to more out-of-wedlock births, which lead to more crime.
     
    Abortion and out-of-wedlock births are determined by culture.

    The US has an abortion rate of 21%. Similar to Japan (19%), South Korea (25%), and Singapore (23%). The out-of-wedlock birthrate for the US is 40%, while all of the three Asian countries have an OOW birthrate of less than 2%.

    Greece's abortion rate is 13% compared to Austria's 3%. The OOW for Greece is 7% and Austria is 40%.

    Except for the US, all of the countries have fertility rates of less than 1.5 children per woman. The US is 1.88. The black rate is 2.

    The number of abortions in the US have decreased steadily since 1980 despite a rise in population. The Hispanic birthrate just hit an all-time low. Teen pregnancies/births have plummeted since 1990 (probably in part due to the everyone must go to college mantra).

    Even if abortion were absolutely impossible, black women would still have a high oow because they cannot find marriage partners. To tell a black woman to wait until marriage is almost akin to telling her to never have children.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Almost Missouri, @stillCARealist, @NOTA

    “To tell a black woman to wait until marriage is almost akin to telling her to never have children.”

    Someone told them until the 1960’s. And they listened.

  151. @Pat Gilligan
    @Brutusale


    It looks like whatever secret sauce has kept Boston’s murder rate in check is gone. Multiple shootings and deaths the past two weekends.
     
    Boston has become very Asian. So it must be that massive influx from Shanghai or Seoul. Needless to say, I'm kidding. Why can't all immigrants be as well-behaved and industrious and pleasant to be around as the East Asians? And I include white immigrants (Russia, Poland, Ireland) in this statement.

    [p.s.- And don't cite some public study for me, I have inside knowledge on this stuff in my job.]

    Replies: @Bill B., @PiltdownMan, @Brutusale

    Today’s Boston Herald has a story that covers every iSteve trope. The names are especially entertaining.

    http://www.bostonherald.com/news/columnists/jessica_heslam/2016/06/heslam_murder_hits_family_again

  152. @Jefferson
    @RadicalCenter

    "I don’t think that Sicilians were ever anywhere near a majority of the Italians who immigrated to the USA,"

    Not the majority, but Sicilians were a plurality of Italians who immigrated to The U.S, meaning the largest group of Italians that immigrated to The U.S.

    I am Siciliano and Calabrese American.

    Replies: @EriK, @RadicalCenter

    So you’re part eggplant.

    H/T to Dennis Hopper.

  153. @Bill B.
    @Pat Gilligan

    Sure. Nevertheless Asian communities can be rife with crime. Indeed some might see them as crime prone.

    The style of course is different, less obtrusive and not discussed much. Certainly not with outsiders. Just to pick a mild example: how much exam cheating goes on in those Asian homes?

    A successful Chinese criminal/gangster can easily be someone who values his good name as a philanthropist and businessman.

    I talked to Ko Lin Chin - an academic who looks at Chinese crime - about two decades ago when he said it was a mistake for Americans to ignore Asian criminality which, ultimately, will break out into the wider community.

    https://www.amazon.com/Chinese-Subculture-Criminality-Non-traditional-Contributions/dp/031327262X/ref=sr_1_9?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1466474624&sr=1-9

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Brutusale

    Leland Yee and “Shrimp Boy” Chow live in vain!

    I lived in 20% Asian Quincy MA (32% now) back in the 90s, and Asian-on-Asian home invasions occurred on a regular basis. They were rarely covered by the local media. I imagine it’s only a matter of time before Asian criminality expands to belabor the roundeyes.

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one
    @Brutusale

    What sort of Asians?

    Also, I imagine that if you cross someone like Soros you could expect a visit from the leg breakers.

  154. The most deplorable one [AKA "#Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Brutusale
    @Bill B.

    Leland Yee and "Shrimp Boy" Chow live in vain!

    I lived in 20% Asian Quincy MA (32% now) back in the 90s, and Asian-on-Asian home invasions occurred on a regular basis. They were rarely covered by the local media. I imagine it's only a matter of time before Asian criminality expands to belabor the roundeyes.

    Replies: @The most deplorable one

    What sort of Asians?

    Also, I imagine that if you cross someone like Soros you could expect a visit from the leg breakers.

  155. @Gabriel M

    The 1890s were a low-crime period in the big cities of the North. In the South, however, black violent crime rose and rural whites panicked, leading to the lynching and convict lease policies of that era.
     
    It's amazing to actually read in a mainstream source an acknowledgement that lynchings were a response to surges in black criminality. When I was at school I was taught that they were just people being nasty for the heck of it. As I got older I became acquainted with the more sophisticated theory that they were motivated by fears of black sexuality or whatever. I can actually remember the moment, back when my views still verged on being respectable, when I was having a conversation with someone who brought up lynching and the penny finally dropped.

    Replies: @Grandpa Jack, @SPMoore8

    Lynchings are just extra-judicial executions and are carried out for a number of reasons. For example, Laura Nelson (black woman) was lynched because she and her son had killed a deputy sheriff. A number were lynched for murder, or rape-murder, before they could be properly executed. So to a certain extent the linkage of high black crime: lynchings is valid, but let’s not get carried away: it looks like most lynchings occurred in the last 20 years of the 19th Century.

    Not all lynchings involved black people: Leo Frank (white Jewish) and the killers of Brooke Hart in San Jose in 1933 (the victim was Jewish, the two white guys were not). I grew up hearing stories about that one; legend is Jackie Coogan held one of the ropes.

    On the other hand there were a number (maybe 20%) that were motivated by racial hatred and where the “crime” was nothing more than being “uppity” and having sex with a white woman. Things like the 1920 Duluth lynching or the 1921 Tulsa riots (which followed another false rape accusation) are hard to explain as other than race based.

    About 40% of the 4,743 lynchings involved homicides, 19% involved rape. But in most of their cases there was a legal system to handle the cases, people just wanted to mob. 3,446 of those lynched were black, which means that almost 1,300 were white.

    85 (presumably black) people were lynched for “insulting a white person.” So there is some truth to the narrative. Not only that, but a large number of lynchings were carried out with unbelievable sadism, including stripping the victims, dousing them, and then setting them on fire. I realize some people want to reclaim this shame or justify it but it really just isn’t possible.

    Here’s a good page with links to stats:

    http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/shipp/lynchstats.html

    • Replies: @Marty T
    @SPMoore8

    A tribe has every right to prevent an invader tribe from touching its women.

  156. I read that Pulse forbade concealed carry inside. A hell of a lot of these mass murderers target “gun free zones.”

    Beyond the fact that the media was immediately going to jump to homophobia because of the involvement of gays and the “hate hoax” culture of assumptions, these seem to be the evidence for motivation.

    I dunno how much success they’re going to have with this “homophobia” thing. It’s not a long trip from “homophobia” to “Muslim homophobia.”

    • Replies: @Honorary Thief
    @Svigor

    Concealed Carr in Florida, even with a CCW permit, is illegal in bars/night clubs.

  157. TWS says:
    @Jonathan Mason
    The invention of the revolver and the automobile have greatly influenced crime, though highwaymen and bank robbers seem to have largely gone out of style in the US, with crime moving out of the streets and online instead.

    With 40% of Americans on food stamps, stealing apples is rare today, and the problem of stealing loaves of bread has been solved by making most store-sold bread inedible. A neat trick! Cattle rustling is also relatively rare today, no doubt due to aerial surveillance, security cameras, and so on plus the availability of cheap hamburgers.

    Replies: @gcochran, @TWS

    The revolver is over a hundred and fifty years old the auto over a hundred. My uncle was arrested for rustling in his youth and we had people rustling our own cattle right up until I quit. Usually it is someone with a truck and a twenty two.

    My friend’s farm regularly has people rustle one or two at a time. It happens all the time. They just don’t usually call it rustling anymore. They call it ‘theft’.

  158. The story is that there was an armed, off-duty cop in Pulse, who exchanged fire with the Muslim nut. If he’d had an AR in his car, he could have retreated, gone to his trunk, and circled back around for this guy.

    Just sayin’, the “superior firepower” advocates have a point.

  159. @Anonymous
    In *any* given community the best indicator of the prevelance of violent criminality is the proportion of black residents.
    The correlation coefficient is as damn near to unity as anything you'd likely find outside a physical science.

    Go on hate me as much as you can, call me all sorts of names, but facts are facts.

    Replies: @Psmith

    SO BRAVE

  160. @Hare Krishna
    @RadicalCenter

    White leftists, also a very numerous group in L.A. and California's other large coastal cities, would attack someone wearing a Trump shirt as well. You'd be better off in Jefferson.

    Speaking of which I'm surprised Steve never posted about Six Californias, especially considering that there are parts of the state that preserve the old California much more than SoCal or the Bay Area do, and splitting up the state would allow those areas to preserve that old California spirit, culture, and quality of life.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

    You are so right.

    I signed the ballot-access petition for the Six Californias initiative and CERTAINLY would have voted for the initiative if it had made the ballot.

    The Republicans should have done it by legislation years ago when they still could get it passed.

    Now the Dems will never allow the State to split up as it should. They know, among other things, that the Californias that do not include LA and San Francisco would routinely send moderate-to-conservative people — often, horrors, WHITE AMERICAN people and Asian-American people, rather than sainted dark people — to Congress.

    The new states in California that do NOT include LA or SF could also have a zero sales tax and/or lower excise taxes. Those new less-left States would draw millions of repeat shoppers every weekend over the new state lines from heavily, heavily taxed LA and SF, to buy electronics, clothing, shoes, and the old reliables, alcohol and tobacco and gasoline (and perhaps marijuana).

    And without voters from outside the LA and SF areas to somewhat moderate those city-states, taxes would likely become much higher. Imagine a gap between 10% or 12% or higher sales tax in LA and SF and zero sales tax in “East California” or “North California.”

    So many reasons, cultural and economic, why we need this fascist/socialist/anti-small-business/anti-white/anti-Christian/anti-asian monstrosity known as the State of California to break up into more manageable, more responsive, more representative pieces.

    My wife and I can honestly say, to our own surprise, “We Love LA!” (as the Dodgers slogan goes). But with several small children we’d gladly look at moving to a new East California if it existed. Imagine the number of productive, peaceful, more-traditional people who would move to East CA and commute into LA, Pasadena, Glendale, Santa Ana, etc., on high-speed rail. (something else we could fund and get done if we weren’t wasting billions on recently imported Third World slackers and dullards)

    • Replies: @Hare Krishna
    @RadicalCenter

    The parts of California that are not lost and which still preserve the old California spirit and society are too far from L.A. for any sort of commuting to take place. Also, SoCal's economy is a basket case. However, they are not as distant from the Bay Area, which while culturally lost is still economically strong, so theoretically there could be commuting from the new states to there.

  161. @Jefferson
    @RadicalCenter

    "I don’t think that Sicilians were ever anywhere near a majority of the Italians who immigrated to the USA,"

    Not the majority, but Sicilians were a plurality of Italians who immigrated to The U.S, meaning the largest group of Italians that immigrated to The U.S.

    I am Siciliano and Calabrese American.

    Replies: @EriK, @RadicalCenter

    Thank you for the clarification, paisan 😉 My Mom’s family came to America from Naples and Amalfi in the 1880s-1890s and I thank God that they did.

  162. I remember all the puzzlement and handwringing done by criminology experts about how we could have record levels of people in prison but lower crime rates. We have to force Colleges and Universities to raise admission standards, because these experts are too dumb to see the obvious conclusions the man on the street could figure out.

  163. @Discard
    @Jefferson

    Oriental crime is under-reported. The criminals keep it within their own kind. The crime bosses are adults and know that robbing Whites would bring the cops down on them. The Oriental victims are afraid to tell the cops, and the gangs make sure they know what will happen if they do. It's hugely frustrating to the police departments in once-White towns like Arcadia and San Marino, Calif.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “It’ss hugely frustrating to the police departments in once-White towns like Arcadia and San Marino, Calif.”

    Majority Asian San Marino and Arcadia have murder rates that are significantly lower than the national average. So it is not exactly a dangerous job to be a police officer in those Asian cities.

    Also most White people can not afford to purchase a home in Arcadia and San Marino.

    That’s how you know majority Asian San Marino and Arcadia are not 3rd World hellholes when not even most 1st World Whites can afford to live there.

    But most 1st World Whites can afford to live in 3rd World hellholes like Compton and Camden if they wanted to.

  164. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    @Buzz Mohawk

    In a densely-packed ghetto environment in which nobody works, and where they've been on welfare for 3-4 generations, blacks are much more likely to be closely related to each other. They choose their mates from the same neighbors who have also been stuck in the hood for the past 3-4 generations. Over the same period of time, whites will have moved around a lot because of their jobs, and they choose mates in the various places where they end up. Blacks are also more likely to have known everyone around them since birth than whites are.

    In a sick way, this creates a strong sense of community, despite the insane levels of violence and crime ghetto blacks inflict on each other, and it helps reinforce the 'us against them' mentality that blacks have. Blacks are suspicious of and paranoid about whites because whites are outsiders to them, and they feel no sense of community with them at all. This is also why blacks commit jury nullification, even when they're the victims of black crime.

    Blacks think of whites the same way an Indian tribe 500 years ago would feel about another Indian tribe many miles off. They might get along with them or they might not. But the tribes would always be suspicious of each other, and individual members wouldn't hesitate to commit crimes or take advantage of the members of the other tribe if they were out of the eyes of their respective chiefs, and the relationships between the two groups would be always uneasy, 'up in the air,' and could change in an instant to full-blown warfare. Young black males think it's okay to rob a white person if they happen to cross paths with them on the street. A black community will go into full rage mode en masse over a white cop shooting a black perp exactly the way an Indian tribe would blow up and go on the warpath if someone from another tribe stole one of their horses.

    Black thinking is entirely tribal and not like that of modern people with a modern sense of community.

    Replies: @anon

    Your completely right about the tribal mentality of blacks. 60 or 70 blacks can get shot BY OTHER BLACKS every single weekend in Chicago’s south side AND THAT IS OKAY. It is tribal business.

    But when one beleaguered white cop shoots a black thug (or “youth” to use the media euphemism), it’s full metal jacket BLM routine.

  165. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Jefferson
    @Bill B.

    "Sure. Nevertheless Asian communities can be rife with crime. Indeed some might see them as crime prone."

    NAMs (Hispanics and Afro Americans) make up 43 percent of Boston's population, so if there is a lot of crime in Boston than than that is the demographic who should take most of the blame, not Asians.

    "Indeed some might see them as crime prone."

    If Asians in The U.S are crime prone than what does that make Whites? There are more Whites than Asians in America's prison not just from raw numbers which are useless but also on a per capita basis which is the most important statistic, what really counts.

    Replies: @Discard, @anon

    I have long believed that Asian crime has been vastly under-reported. It is kept within the community. While admittedly things like murder can not be ignored, many kinds of non-violent crimes (shakedowns of store owners, etc) can be kept off the radar if the victims decline to go to the police.

    • Replies: @NOTA
    @anon

    Doesn't the Justice Dept do surveys to try to capture unreported crimes? If you're not going to the cops after a crime because you don't think they'll help or you're afraid calling the cops on a gang will just get you beaten up or killed, you'd presumably still be willing to tell a survey the truth. On the other hand, if you don't report the crime for some cultural reason (like not wanting to make your ethnic group look bad), you probably wouldn't report the crime.

  166. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic
    From somebody who makes it his business to dig into these things, crime and gang activity in Atlanta is increasing and the statistics are being gamed. But this is secondhand so I don't know for certain. It does seem like more criminality is popping up in nice areas of town.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    As a resident of one of the fastest growing, (for the last 2 decades), suburbs outside of ATL, I listen to local radio, read the local paper, (Not the ATL Urinal & Constipation), and keep a kind of mental tally of #S and types of local crime. One thing to note, the Hispanic pop in my county is legally 47%, and DEFINITELY an additional 10%. Oxycodone/Heroin/Meth/weed arrests are through the roof, and more violent type attacks and assaults as well. Interestingly, it seems to shake out by race fairly well, with white kids sharing oxycodone & weed arrests with blacks, meth is mostly white, heroin predominantly brown for large amounts, white and black for smaller amounts in HS & college age kids. As for the more violent crimes of assaults & physical attacks, etc., even with their lower 9% of pop in the county, account for about 50% of the crimes, with brown coming in around 30% & white around 20%. Keep in mind, these are just back of the envelope, running tab in my head kind of figures, but I’d say they were pretty accurate.
    The crime and drug arrests in this area has gotten dramatically worse in the last 5-7 yrs.

  167. @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    A decade ago I couldn’t find any social science study that directly tested this picture of how the world works

    I suspect a large part of the reason is the incorrect political and social conflation of unintended and unwanted pregnancy. (There must be a better word to separate unintended and unwanted, but I can't think of one.) The closest we've come to it is advocacy for women who resort to abortion because they can't afford other forms of birth control; or because they are ignorant about where babies come from due to lack of sex ed (which doesn't explain why so many women have multiple abortions); or the "food desert" access argument, only with regards to condoms and the pill. I seriously question the veracity of these problems for the American working class. On all sides of the political spectrum, no one dares touch the issue of abortion as a intentionally designated form of birth control. You'd think it doesn't exist or is negligible, but the statistics on abortion suggest otherwise.

    Replies: @stillCARealist, @NOTA

    what do we call it when a girl gets pressured into sex and then pressured into an abortion?

    Unintended? Unwanted? Unplanned?

  168. @Triumph104
    @Almost Missouri


    One was that availability of abortion leads to more out-of-wedlock births, which lead to more crime.
     
    Abortion and out-of-wedlock births are determined by culture.

    The US has an abortion rate of 21%. Similar to Japan (19%), South Korea (25%), and Singapore (23%). The out-of-wedlock birthrate for the US is 40%, while all of the three Asian countries have an OOW birthrate of less than 2%.

    Greece's abortion rate is 13% compared to Austria's 3%. The OOW for Greece is 7% and Austria is 40%.

    Except for the US, all of the countries have fertility rates of less than 1.5 children per woman. The US is 1.88. The black rate is 2.

    The number of abortions in the US have decreased steadily since 1980 despite a rise in population. The Hispanic birthrate just hit an all-time low. Teen pregnancies/births have plummeted since 1990 (probably in part due to the everyone must go to college mantra).

    Even if abortion were absolutely impossible, black women would still have a high oow because they cannot find marriage partners. To tell a black woman to wait until marriage is almost akin to telling her to never have children.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Almost Missouri, @stillCARealist, @NOTA

    So in those Asian countries it’s married women having abortions and in the US it’s single women? Why would married women have abortions? Sex selection?

    It sounds like Grecians just don’t make babies.

    • Replies: @Saint Louis
    @stillCARealist

    "It sounds like Grecians just don't make babies."

    Figures. Maybe if the men stopped sleeping with each other for awhile...

  169. @Svigor
    I read that Pulse forbade concealed carry inside. A hell of a lot of these mass murderers target "gun free zones."

    Beyond the fact that the media was immediately going to jump to homophobia because of the involvement of gays and the “hate hoax” culture of assumptions, these seem to be the evidence for motivation.
     
    I dunno how much success they're going to have with this "homophobia" thing. It's not a long trip from "homophobia" to "Muslim homophobia."

    Replies: @Honorary Thief

    Concealed Carr in Florida, even with a CCW permit, is illegal in bars/night clubs.

  170. @syonredux
    @countenance


    Then, following World War I, a Mexican migration to the U.S. added to the crime totals

    Because of the post-war labor shortage?
     
    Mexican Revolution (1910-1920) and its aftermath. It caused large numbers of Mexicans to flee to the USA

    Replies: @Hibernian

    There was a labor shortage during WWI, beginning because our industry went into high gear selling to belligerents and because belligerents cut off the flow of their citizens to our shores, and intensifying when we ourselves entered the war and re-instituted the draft for the first time since the Civil War. This sparked Mexican immigration, already in high gear due to the Mexican revolution, and also northward internal migration of both black and white Southerners. When the war ended all of the conditions creating the labor shortage were reversed, until about 5 or 6 years later when we severely restricted immigration.

  171. The most deplorable one [AKA "#Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:

    It’s not rape if it’s perpetrated by rapefugees or Roman Polanski:

    http://www.kivitv.com/news/twin-falls-pd-alleged-rape-committed-by-boys-of-iraqisudanese-descent

    Boys will be boys, don’t you know. At least dieverse boys.

    Of course, if it’s a drunken 20-yo white boy or Haven Monahan then it is rape.

  172. @bomag

    The Depression had produced a birth dearth, so the young male population was reduced.
     
    More evidence that demography is destiny.

    When there are more resources available per young man, they are usefully occupied and can channel their energy into socially constructive activities.

    When you've got more young men than opportunities, then you have to ship them off to Europe where they rape their way into the hearts and minds of the populace.

    Replies: @Expletive Deleted, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    More evidence that demography is destiny.

    The Byzantines demonstrated that the contradiction of your assertion worked for a millennium. Study the Byzantines, and profit from their experience.

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Edward N Lutwark: The Grand Strategy of the Byzantine Empire.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Charles Erwin Wilson



    Study the Byzantines, and profit from their experience.

     

    As in gradually losing territority to the Muslims until ultimately having the capitol city stormed and the Hagia Sophia turned into a mosque?

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

  173. @stillCARealist
    @Triumph104

    So in those Asian countries it's married women having abortions and in the US it's single women? Why would married women have abortions? Sex selection?

    It sounds like Grecians just don't make babies.

    Replies: @Saint Louis

    “It sounds like Grecians just don’t make babies.”

    Figures. Maybe if the men stopped sleeping with each other for awhile…

  174. The most deplorable one [AKA "#Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @bomag


    More evidence that demography is destiny.
     
    The Byzantines demonstrated that the contradiction of your assertion worked for a millennium. Study the Byzantines, and profit from their experience.

    Replies: @The most deplorable one, @Hippopotamusdrome

    Edward N Lutwark: The Grand Strategy of the Byzantine Empire.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @The most deplorable one

    I must confess I have not read Luttwak's book. Luttwak was wrong about so many things, but the last straw was the cover of the book (I know, I know - don't judge a book by its cover - but I do). Once I saw "From the First Century CE" I knew his cultural vandalism would have to be followed by other betrayals.

    Maybe I should reconsider, but life is short...

    Replies: @The most deplorable one

  175. @The most deplorable one
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Edward N Lutwark: The Grand Strategy of the Byzantine Empire.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    I must confess I have not read Luttwak’s book. Luttwak was wrong about so many things, but the last straw was the cover of the book (I know, I know – don’t judge a book by its cover – but I do). Once I saw “From the First Century CE” I knew his cultural vandalism would have to be followed by other betrayals.

    Maybe I should reconsider, but life is short…

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Hmmm, neither the front cover nor the back cover nor the spine contain the words "From the First Century CE" on my copy.

    The first para in the Preface says:


    Once largely neglected, as if the entire Roman empire had really ended in 476 (sic), the eastern half that we call Byzantine by modern habit now attracts so much attention ...
     
    A quick scan seems to show dates listed without AD, BC, CE, BCE or any other adornment, so I am mystified.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

  176. The most deplorable one [AKA "#Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @The most deplorable one

    I must confess I have not read Luttwak's book. Luttwak was wrong about so many things, but the last straw was the cover of the book (I know, I know - don't judge a book by its cover - but I do). Once I saw "From the First Century CE" I knew his cultural vandalism would have to be followed by other betrayals.

    Maybe I should reconsider, but life is short...

    Replies: @The most deplorable one

    Hmmm, neither the front cover nor the back cover nor the spine contain the words “From the First Century CE” on my copy.

    The first para in the Preface says:

    Once largely neglected, as if the entire Roman empire had really ended in 476 (sic), the eastern half that we call Byzantine by modern habit now attracts so much attention …

    A quick scan seems to show dates listed without AD, BC, CE, BCE or any other adornment, so I am mystified.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @The most deplorable one

    #Fourth, Enlighten me please, what is CE?

    Replies: @SPMoore8

  177. @anon
    @Jefferson

    I have long believed that Asian crime has been vastly under-reported. It is kept within the community. While admittedly things like murder can not be ignored, many kinds of non-violent crimes (shakedowns of store owners, etc) can be kept off the radar if the victims decline to go to the police.

    Replies: @NOTA

    Doesn’t the Justice Dept do surveys to try to capture unreported crimes? If you’re not going to the cops after a crime because you don’t think they’ll help or you’re afraid calling the cops on a gang will just get you beaten up or killed, you’d presumably still be willing to tell a survey the truth. On the other hand, if you don’t report the crime for some cultural reason (like not wanting to make your ethnic group look bad), you probably wouldn’t report the crime.

  178. @Triumph104
    @Almost Missouri


    One was that availability of abortion leads to more out-of-wedlock births, which lead to more crime.
     
    Abortion and out-of-wedlock births are determined by culture.

    The US has an abortion rate of 21%. Similar to Japan (19%), South Korea (25%), and Singapore (23%). The out-of-wedlock birthrate for the US is 40%, while all of the three Asian countries have an OOW birthrate of less than 2%.

    Greece's abortion rate is 13% compared to Austria's 3%. The OOW for Greece is 7% and Austria is 40%.

    Except for the US, all of the countries have fertility rates of less than 1.5 children per woman. The US is 1.88. The black rate is 2.

    The number of abortions in the US have decreased steadily since 1980 despite a rise in population. The Hispanic birthrate just hit an all-time low. Teen pregnancies/births have plummeted since 1990 (probably in part due to the everyone must go to college mantra).

    Even if abortion were absolutely impossible, black women would still have a high oow because they cannot find marriage partners. To tell a black woman to wait until marriage is almost akin to telling her to never have children.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Almost Missouri, @stillCARealist, @NOTA

    And I think that is largely driven by two other iSteve-type issues:

    a. Lots of black men are in jail or dead, thanks to the high crime rate in the black community.

    b. Black women are less in demand in the dating market than white, Asian, and Hispanic women; black men tend to do better with non-black women than black women do with non-black men.

    • Replies: @Triumph104
    @NOTA

    You're absolutely correct. There is also a third factor:

    c. An increasing number of black homosexual men. It is especially bad in the black church. Some chaste religious black women are seriously considering dating and marrying atheists. In the documentary ENDGAME: AIDS In Black America a black woman married the deacon from her church and got AIDS. There is a well-known gospel singer who got AIDS from her now dead husband. In Atlanta a black man was married to a church secretary, he would visit other churches and find desperate women to have sex with and ended up giving AIDS to a pastor's niece who had been celibate for 15 years. I am even starting to see homosexuals (suspected) in the NFL.

    Other groups like Mormons and Orthodox Jews have a man shortage. To attract a man some Mormon women are resorting to pre-marital sex and plastic surgery while the Orthodox Jews are going for plastic surgery and higher dowries.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

  179. @Buzz Mohawk
    From Steve's VDare article:

    The public`s biggest defensive move, of course: moving to the suburbs, far away from the bad guys. In contrast to Britain`s more enterprising urban criminals, who routinely drive 50 or 100 miles out into the countryside to commit home invasions, American hoods don`t like to leave the `hood. Homeboys aren`t comfortable away from home—fortunately.

     

    (Emphases mine)

    1. In contrast to Britons, we American exurbanites bear arms, as is our right to do, and the hoods know it. We also alarm our houses and train our dogs.

    2. Blacks hate nature, are really uncomfortable in it. In America, more of the hoods are black.

    Our rulers are attempting to eliminate point #1 by eroding the 2nd Amendment, and they are beginning to overcome point #2 by "Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing."

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Anon, @NOTA

    Much more importantly: if the suburb is overwhelmingly white, then a black criminal coming to that neighborhood is going to stand out. That’s really not what you want to happen if you’re trying to get away with a crime.

    That’s not going to be a factor in a racially mixed suburb, but a lot of nice suburbs have very few black residents. (You often hear anecdotes about the black doctor living in a ritzy white suburb who gets pulled over every time he comes home late.)

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @NOTA


    You often hear anecdotes about the black doctor living in a ritzy white suburb who gets pulled over every time he comes home late.
     
    You mean Dr. Huxtable, after drugging and raping somebody?
  180. @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    A decade ago I couldn’t find any social science study that directly tested this picture of how the world works

    I suspect a large part of the reason is the incorrect political and social conflation of unintended and unwanted pregnancy. (There must be a better word to separate unintended and unwanted, but I can't think of one.) The closest we've come to it is advocacy for women who resort to abortion because they can't afford other forms of birth control; or because they are ignorant about where babies come from due to lack of sex ed (which doesn't explain why so many women have multiple abortions); or the "food desert" access argument, only with regards to condoms and the pill. I seriously question the veracity of these problems for the American working class. On all sides of the political spectrum, no one dares touch the issue of abortion as a intentionally designated form of birth control. You'd think it doesn't exist or is negligible, but the statistics on abortion suggest otherwise.

    Replies: @stillCARealist, @NOTA

    I wonder what fraction of abortions are due to the guy running out on the girl and her feeling (sensibly) unable to handle raising a kid on her own. Even if the girl doesn’t get a ring, she might still be willing to stick it out if the guy sticks around.

    That kinda fits with the middle class/ working class/underclass split. A middle class woman will try very hard not to get pregnant till she’s ready to have a kid (married, done with school, financially stable). An underclass woman may not have any expectation that the guy would stick around. A working class woman probably does have that expectation, and is likely better at thinking through likely consequences to being a single mom on a minimum wage salary plus whatever poverty benefits she can get.

  181. @J1234
    @Discard


    Wait a second. “…no immigration or migration of high crime populations”?
     
    Yeah, a lot of what Barry Latzer says is true, but that statement is way off the mark. Central America has the highest murder rate on the planet. And a lot of US immigrants coming from...where ? Maybe he buys into the Ron Unz myth that modern latino immigrants aren't any more violent than anyone else.

    On the other hand, this is first qualified academic I've come across brave enough to say that the lynching of blacks in the South 100+ years ago was largely a response to a dramatic increase in violent crime among Southern blacks. I'm not sure why violent crime among blacks dropped after WW2. It's possible that the threat of extralegal retribution was a factor. Hard to know, though.

    Replies: @LondonBob

    Central America keeps alive the culture of Apocalypto.

  182. @SPMoore8
    @Gabriel M

    Lynchings are just extra-judicial executions and are carried out for a number of reasons. For example, Laura Nelson (black woman) was lynched because she and her son had killed a deputy sheriff. A number were lynched for murder, or rape-murder, before they could be properly executed. So to a certain extent the linkage of high black crime: lynchings is valid, but let's not get carried away: it looks like most lynchings occurred in the last 20 years of the 19th Century.

    Not all lynchings involved black people: Leo Frank (white Jewish) and the killers of Brooke Hart in San Jose in 1933 (the victim was Jewish, the two white guys were not). I grew up hearing stories about that one; legend is Jackie Coogan held one of the ropes.

    On the other hand there were a number (maybe 20%) that were motivated by racial hatred and where the "crime" was nothing more than being "uppity" and having sex with a white woman. Things like the 1920 Duluth lynching or the 1921 Tulsa riots (which followed another false rape accusation) are hard to explain as other than race based.

    About 40% of the 4,743 lynchings involved homicides, 19% involved rape. But in most of their cases there was a legal system to handle the cases, people just wanted to mob. 3,446 of those lynched were black, which means that almost 1,300 were white.

    85 (presumably black) people were lynched for "insulting a white person." So there is some truth to the narrative. Not only that, but a large number of lynchings were carried out with unbelievable sadism, including stripping the victims, dousing them, and then setting them on fire. I realize some people want to reclaim this shame or justify it but it really just isn't possible.

    Here's a good page with links to stats:

    http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/shipp/lynchstats.html

    Replies: @Marty T

    A tribe has every right to prevent an invader tribe from touching its women.

  183. @NOTA
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Much more importantly: if the suburb is overwhelmingly white, then a black criminal coming to that neighborhood is going to stand out. That's really not what you want to happen if you're trying to get away with a crime.

    That's not going to be a factor in a racially mixed suburb, but a lot of nice suburbs have very few black residents. (You often hear anecdotes about the black doctor living in a ritzy white suburb who gets pulled over every time he comes home late.)

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    You often hear anecdotes about the black doctor living in a ritzy white suburb who gets pulled over every time he comes home late.

    You mean Dr. Huxtable, after drugging and raping somebody?

  184. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @bomag


    More evidence that demography is destiny.
     
    The Byzantines demonstrated that the contradiction of your assertion worked for a millennium. Study the Byzantines, and profit from their experience.

    Replies: @The most deplorable one, @Hippopotamusdrome

    Study the Byzantines, and profit from their experience.

    As in gradually losing territority to the Muslims until ultimately having the capitol city stormed and the Hagia Sophia turned into a mosque?

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    I admit that outcome was a tragedy. But review the facts. The Byzantines had a weak hand, and yet they endured for a millennium after Rome fell. Consider Beliarius, whose deeds matched Alexander's magnificent run. And our jurisprudence is a direct descendant of the Institutes of the Emperor Justinian.

    Now, evaluate two choices. Neither are Byzantium triumphant. One is Rome, where barbarians win the contest and rule the medieval period. The other is Byzantium, where Satan's minions are held at bay for a millennium. The Byzantines buy time for the Battle of Lepanto, the Battle of St Gotthard, Second battle of Khotyn, and of course Vienna.

    So the outcome isn't optimal, but much better than it could have been.

    And yes, study the Byzantines, and profit from their experience.

  185. @NOTA
    @Triumph104

    And I think that is largely driven by two other iSteve-type issues:

    a. Lots of black men are in jail or dead, thanks to the high crime rate in the black community.

    b. Black women are less in demand in the dating market than white, Asian, and Hispanic women; black men tend to do better with non-black women than black women do with non-black men.

    Replies: @Triumph104

    You’re absolutely correct. There is also a third factor:

    c. An increasing number of black homosexual men. It is especially bad in the black church. Some chaste religious black women are seriously considering dating and marrying atheists. In the documentary ENDGAME: AIDS In Black America a black woman married the deacon from her church and got AIDS. There is a well-known gospel singer who got AIDS from her now dead husband. In Atlanta a black man was married to a church secretary, he would visit other churches and find desperate women to have sex with and ended up giving AIDS to a pastor’s niece who had been celibate for 15 years. I am even starting to see homosexuals (suspected) in the NFL.

    Other groups like Mormons and Orthodox Jews have a man shortage. To attract a man some Mormon women are resorting to pre-marital sex and plastic surgery while the Orthodox Jews are going for plastic surgery and higher dowries.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Triumph104

    Interesting about homosexuals in the black church. I was in Bermuda from 1980-86 in the early days of the AIDS epidemic and there was an American African Methodist Episcopal minister whom I knew there who was married, but had apparently contracted AIDS from which he died within two or three years. This was not public knowledge, but I was personally acquainted with the person in charge of the island's hospital infection control program who was a reliable source of gossip.

    One would not have thought that regular fund raising drives for him to make several trips to Haiti to do God's work there would have led him into temptation, but apparently the devil makes a particular habit of targeting those who dedicate their lives to others.

  186. @The most deplorable one
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Hmmm, neither the front cover nor the back cover nor the spine contain the words "From the First Century CE" on my copy.

    The first para in the Preface says:


    Once largely neglected, as if the entire Roman empire had really ended in 476 (sic), the eastern half that we call Byzantine by modern habit now attracts so much attention ...
     
    A quick scan seems to show dates listed without AD, BC, CE, BCE or any other adornment, so I am mystified.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    #Fourth, Enlighten me please, what is CE?

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    @Buffalo Joe

    CE means "Common Era" and it's a mostly academic way of pretending that our calendar is not keyed to what is believed to be the birth of Jesus Christ, even though it is.

    Replies: @NOTA

  187. @Buffalo Joe
    @The most deplorable one

    #Fourth, Enlighten me please, what is CE?

    Replies: @SPMoore8

    CE means “Common Era” and it’s a mostly academic way of pretending that our calendar is not keyed to what is believed to be the birth of Jesus Christ, even though it is.

    • Replies: @NOTA
    @SPMoore8

    It's the standard notation at this point. Bashing someone for using it now is as silly as it would have been to bash an atheist for using "AD" and "BC" in his dates a century ago.

  188. @Triumph104
    @NOTA

    You're absolutely correct. There is also a third factor:

    c. An increasing number of black homosexual men. It is especially bad in the black church. Some chaste religious black women are seriously considering dating and marrying atheists. In the documentary ENDGAME: AIDS In Black America a black woman married the deacon from her church and got AIDS. There is a well-known gospel singer who got AIDS from her now dead husband. In Atlanta a black man was married to a church secretary, he would visit other churches and find desperate women to have sex with and ended up giving AIDS to a pastor's niece who had been celibate for 15 years. I am even starting to see homosexuals (suspected) in the NFL.

    Other groups like Mormons and Orthodox Jews have a man shortage. To attract a man some Mormon women are resorting to pre-marital sex and plastic surgery while the Orthodox Jews are going for plastic surgery and higher dowries.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    Interesting about homosexuals in the black church. I was in Bermuda from 1980-86 in the early days of the AIDS epidemic and there was an American African Methodist Episcopal minister whom I knew there who was married, but had apparently contracted AIDS from which he died within two or three years. This was not public knowledge, but I was personally acquainted with the person in charge of the island’s hospital infection control program who was a reliable source of gossip.

    One would not have thought that regular fund raising drives for him to make several trips to Haiti to do God’s work there would have led him into temptation, but apparently the devil makes a particular habit of targeting those who dedicate their lives to others.

  189. @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Charles Erwin Wilson



    Study the Byzantines, and profit from their experience.

     

    As in gradually losing territority to the Muslims until ultimately having the capitol city stormed and the Hagia Sophia turned into a mosque?

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    I admit that outcome was a tragedy. But review the facts. The Byzantines had a weak hand, and yet they endured for a millennium after Rome fell. Consider Beliarius, whose deeds matched Alexander’s magnificent run. And our jurisprudence is a direct descendant of the Institutes of the Emperor Justinian.

    Now, evaluate two choices. Neither are Byzantium triumphant. One is Rome, where barbarians win the contest and rule the medieval period. The other is Byzantium, where Satan’s minions are held at bay for a millennium. The Byzantines buy time for the Battle of Lepanto, the Battle of St Gotthard, Second battle of Khotyn, and of course Vienna.

    So the outcome isn’t optimal, but much better than it could have been.

    And yes, study the Byzantines, and profit from their experience.

  190. Crime rates are going down because the state has decriminalized crime on multiple levels and has made it ever harder to file crime reports.

    Where I live when you call the police they might show up soon if there’s an immediate threat, but to report a crime over the phone is not possible, you have to go in to the station and wait for an officer to fill out a form, and there’s 1 form/desk officer and 20 crime victims, then when you fill out the forms nothing is investigated.

    Police have suppressed crime stats by making it a tedious pain in the ass to report crime.

    Online crime reporting should be tied to FEDERAL police money.

  191. @RadicalCenter
    @Hare Krishna

    You are so right.

    I signed the ballot-access petition for the Six Californias initiative and CERTAINLY would have voted for the initiative if it had made the ballot.

    The Republicans should have done it by legislation years ago when they still could get it passed.

    Now the Dems will never allow the State to split up as it should. They know, among other things, that the Californias that do not include LA and San Francisco would routinely send moderate-to-conservative people -- often, horrors, WHITE AMERICAN people and Asian-American people, rather than sainted dark people -- to Congress.

    The new states in California that do NOT include LA or SF could also have a zero sales tax and/or lower excise taxes. Those new less-left States would draw millions of repeat shoppers every weekend over the new state lines from heavily, heavily taxed LA and SF, to buy electronics, clothing, shoes, and the old reliables, alcohol and tobacco and gasoline (and perhaps marijuana).

    And without voters from outside the LA and SF areas to somewhat moderate those city-states, taxes would likely become much higher. Imagine a gap between 10% or 12% or higher sales tax in LA and SF and zero sales tax in "East California" or "North California."

    So many reasons, cultural and economic, why we need this fascist/socialist/anti-small-business/anti-white/anti-Christian/anti-asian monstrosity known as the State of California to break up into more manageable, more responsive, more representative pieces.

    My wife and I can honestly say, to our own surprise, "We Love LA!" (as the Dodgers slogan goes). But with several small children we'd gladly look at moving to a new East California if it existed. Imagine the number of productive, peaceful, more-traditional people who would move to East CA and commute into LA, Pasadena, Glendale, Santa Ana, etc., on high-speed rail. (something else we could fund and get done if we weren't wasting billions on recently imported Third World slackers and dullards)

    Replies: @Hare Krishna

    The parts of California that are not lost and which still preserve the old California spirit and society are too far from L.A. for any sort of commuting to take place. Also, SoCal’s economy is a basket case. However, they are not as distant from the Bay Area, which while culturally lost is still economically strong, so theoretically there could be commuting from the new states to there.

  192. @Marcus
    @Reg Cæsar

    I think we drink much less now, also hard drug use has declined considerably

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    I think we drink much less now, also hard drug use has declined considerably

    That’s because we have to drive home now.

  193. @carol
    @iSteveFan

    Who could miss it...I am reading a new book about the history of the US post office and it pretty much says much of typical inefficiency was exacerbated by early AA hiring and laziness/corruption. Esp at the Chicago post offices.

    My first job was at the Pasadena PO annex and my supervisor was colored. But the black employees were mostly mail handlers, who worked the loading docks and didn't have to memorize the complicated throwing schemes that the clerks had to know to go on permanent status.

    Still, the mail delivery losses were pretty much baked in the cake due to the sheer size of the US and the slowness to modernize.

    Replies: @tbraton

    The worst summer job I ever had was after completing my freshman year at college in the early 60’s. Fortunately, it didn’t last more than a few weeks, or else I would have “gone Postal” at an early age. The job was sorting mail at the main Post Office, then located in a beautiful Beaux Arts building on North Capitol Street, right next to Union Station. (It was the successor building to the Romanesque-style Old Post Office building on Pennsylvania Ave. which Donald Trump is now renovating as a luxury hotel. I understand the PO relocated its main office to a different location sometime after I moved from D.C. to Florida 25+ years ago.) I’m sure much of the work I did is now done by machines, but my job consisted of putting endless mail in the proper box for the mailman serving that route. It was an 8-hour job, with Coke breaks every couple of hours and a break for meal after 4 hours. By the end of a day, my mind was reduced to mush. Fortunately, a friend informed me of an opening at a local Marriott Hotel as a bellhop, and I leaped at the opportunity to carry customers’ bags to their rooms and getting richly paid in tips. After 2 weeks, I bid a farewell to the PO and have never regretted it since. I don’t know whether I could have survived working three summer months at that job without losing my mind. BTW I was somewhat surprised to read a few years ago that a majority of the people who deliver mail for the PO are college graduates.

  194. @SPMoore8
    @Buffalo Joe

    CE means "Common Era" and it's a mostly academic way of pretending that our calendar is not keyed to what is believed to be the birth of Jesus Christ, even though it is.

    Replies: @NOTA

    It’s the standard notation at this point. Bashing someone for using it now is as silly as it would have been to bash an atheist for using “AD” and “BC” in his dates a century ago.

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