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Back in 2017, Harry Reid, the long-time top Democratic senator, mentioned that he and two other aged solons, Daniel Inouye and Ted Stevens, had slipped $22 million into the black budget in the first decade of the century to follow up on weird UFO sightings by military pilots. I didn’t take it terribly seriously but wrote up what I’d thought about UFOs before 2017 for Taki’s Magazine, which might still be of some interest.

UFO rumors didn’t go away through the Trump years and now the Biden Administration says a public report is coming soon, and is dropping hints that they are taking the question seriously. Both Trump and Obama are saying that the UFO sightings by military pilots and accompanying video are interesting. Military aviators apparently have been given the signal that it now wouldn’t hurt their careers to talk about what they’ve seen, so we are now seeing headlines like this one in The Independent

Former pilot claims navy crewmates stayed silent on UFO sightings so they didn’t look kooky
Pentagon verification of video lifted stigma associated with sightings

Oliver O’Connell

Greg Cochran says he’ll be writing up a long West Hunter blog post on how to think about the possibilities of highly different levels of technology.

I will mention that he pointed out the long history of how pilot sightings of “sprites,” bright colored upper-atmospheric lightning or Transient Luminous Events far above the clouds of conventional lightning storms, weren’t taken seriously for over 60 years until they were finally captured on video by the Space Shuttle in 1989.

Scottish Nobel laureate C.T.R. Wilson explained how they’d work in the 1920s and they were sighted frequently by pilots during WWII. But because they were so fast that they were easier to see with eye than record with a film or video camera, pilot reports of the existence of sprites weren’t taken seriously by the scientific establishment for over 60 years even though a Nobelist had correctly predicted their existence in the 1920s. Pilots eventually tired of mentioning what they’d seen because it seemed more likely they’d lose their licenses than get anybody to take them seriously.

Now this wasn’t a vast conspiracy to cover up sprites for some nefarious deep state reason, nor did authorities have ideological reasons for pooh-poohing sightings. That was just what all the other higher-ups did, so they did it too. And then everybody else stopped Sprite Denialism in the early 1990s so they stopped too.

The history of science features other examples of Emperor’s New Clothes-style consensuses without particularly conspiratorial motivations. For example, we often hear the tragic tale of Ignaz Semmelweis, the edgy Hungarian doctor who discovered that physicians should wash their hands, but no doctor would listen to him and he went insane. This case is often dissected to extract the precise reasons for this toxically dysfunctional interaction between the eccentric Semmelweis and the resentful medical profession.

But few remember that about the same era, the most fashionable doctor in America, Oliver Wendell Holmes Sr. (the father of the famous Supreme Court justice), who was in his spare time perhaps American’s most critically admired humorist between Ben Franklin and Mark Twain, also tried to get doctors to wash their hands. Unlike with Semmelweis, everybody went right on thinking that OWH Sr. was the world’s greatest guy. But nobody did what Holmes asked either.

Anyway, I’m getting off the topic of UFOs, so what do you think is going on? Aliens? Hoax? Chinese? Russians? Not yet recognized natural phenomenon like sprites? Disinformation? Randomness? Hackers? Or what else?

I haven’t heard much from civilian airliner pilots about these recent UFO sightings. What do they say?

And are the military pilots consistently describing a change in this phenomenon over the decades, like, “I didn’t see this stuff before 2011-2012”? Or has this always been around back into the 20th Century?

It could be that military pilots always see this kind of stuff, but the military has upgraded their sensors (for example, on spy satellites) and recently began to confirm visual reports, the way that video cameras in 1989 could finally confirm human sightings of Transient Luminous Events going back generations.

From a motivational standpoint, I kind of like the hacker idea: maybe someday is doing something to fool the world not for any carefully calculated pragmatic reason but because it would be a blast to do so.

By the way, here’s a fun article in the NYT:

The Mystery of Magic’s Greatest Card Trick
At 94, the magician David Berglas says his renowned effect can’t be taught. Is he telling the truth?

By David Segal
May 23, 2021

LONDON — In the late 1940s, the British magician David Berglas started refining a trick that came to be known as “the holy grail of card magic.” To this day, nobody is certain how he did it.

Decades into his retirement, he has revealed just about every secret in his long and storied career. …

The trick is a version of a classic plot of magic, called Any Card at Any Number. These tricks are called ACAAN in the business.

ACAAN has been around since the 1700s, and every iteration unfolds in roughly the same way: A spectator is asked to name any card in a deck — let’s say the nine of clubs. Another is asked to name any number between one and 52 — let’s say 31.

The cards are dealt face up, one by one. The 31st card revealed is, of course, the nine of clubs. Cue the gasps. …

For all their differences, every ACAAN has one feature in common: At some point, the magician touches the cards. The touch might be imperceptible, it might appear entirely innocent. But the cards are always touched.

With one exception: David Berglas’s ACAAN. He would place the cards on a table and he didn’t handle them again until after the revelation and during the applause. There was no sleight of hand, no hint of shenanigans. It was both effortless and boggling.

Among magicians around the world, his touchless ACAAN is one of the most talked-about and puzzled-over tricks in history. It was eventually labeled “The Berglas Effect,” and helped make its creator’s reputation in a career that spanned six decades.

The article recounts how Berglas denies planting a stooge in the audience. The author visits the nonagenarian at home, where the retired magician asks him his favorite card and number, then suddenly berates him for coming to his house and demanding that he perform his famous trick one more time.

A few minutes later, for reasons that I can’t explain, he softened.

“There’s a drawer behind you,” he said. “There are some cards in there which I haven’t touched in a long time.”

I turned and opened the drawer. Inside I saw three decks in their cardboard boxes. Time began to slow down. I placed the decks in the middle of the table. He didn’t touch them.

“Choose one of these,” he said.

I picked one.

“Open it and place it facedown in front of you,” he said. “What was the card and number you mentioned?”

“Seven of diamonds, and 44,” I said.

“I’ll take a chance,” he said. “I might be off by two.”

I dealt the cards myself, one at a time, face up.

… Forty. Forty-one. Forty-two. I turned over the 43rd card.

It was the seven of diamonds. I stared at it, both gobsmacked and baffled. Gobsmacked because it seemed wildly improbable that he’d come so close. Baffled because it wasn’t spot on.

“One off,” Mr. Berglas said, evenly.

He didn’t try to sell 43 as a triumph. On the contrary, he said that in lectures to magicians he has always told his audience that one off isn’t close enough.

In the NYT’s comments, various people come up with plausible suggestions, such as that Berglas has 52 decks secreted around the room in groups of three, each deck sequenced in a different order. For example, the drawer to which he directs the interviewer might contain three decks in which the seven of diamonds might be the 43rd, 44th, or 45th cards. So, allowing the mark to choose one, at worst he could be off by two.

Berglas, a master psychological manipulator, then reacts to missing by just one with a shrug: not bad for a 94-year-old, but also depressing that his powers of magic are fading with age.

But, anyway, that doesn’t explain the UFOs. So, what’s your theory?

 
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  1. What Do You Think About the UFO Sightings?

    Pfft. The Important Question is what do UFOs think about Restorative Racial Justice? Hopefully they’re smart enough to have picked up that being non-racist isn’t enough any more. And what do they think about George Floyd, PBUH?

    I’d say these extra-terrestrials have a lot of questions to answer, right off the bat. What the Men and Women of UNZ have to say can wait.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Polistra

    Poli, I will say it again. I would welcome a space alien invasion if they turned all the politicians into fertilizer and ruled us with an even hand for the next eight years. But why does Hollywood always portray beings capable of intergalactic travel as looking like the "Predator?"

  2. Mr. Sailer: Nonwhites around the world celebrate, as there is finally a being superior to the white man, even as they fall farther down the totem pole. Tsk, tsk, tsk. I’d we could all just get along.

  3. Anonymous[336] • Disclaimer says:

    LOL, Steve. Pondering every possible explanation except for the most likely: it’s US anti-gravitational technology they’re slowly releasing to the public as a warning line to Russia and China, who haven’t progressed beyond primitive propellant based rockets.

    http://www.nuforc.org/webreports/011/S11869.html

    Encountered large triangular object while night fishing off Farlon Island and fired 100 rounds of 22 ammo at it.

    On the evening of Super Bowl Sunday, I was hauling up a line of crab traps off Farlon Island with my dog aboard our 25′ boat. While leaning over the side, my dog started to bark furiously. I looked up and saw a huge triangular object hovering above with NO sound. I was hit by a beam of white light and fell backward onto the sole of the cabin. I grabbed my Ruger 10-22 rifle loaded with a 100 round banana magazine and stared firing as fast as I could until the clif was empty. I was able to shoot out the light. While grabbing for a second clip, I saw a hatch open up on the bottom side of the object and two people leaned down to yell “STOP SHOOTING AS US YOU IDIOT”. The only other noise I heard was a hissing sound like air escapeing from a flat tire or something. As the object move off to the south, I saw a helocopter come out off the top and move in next to my boat about 20′ off the water and 50′ way. Someone in the side door held up a camera and flash off a picture of me in the boat holding the rifle. The helocopter made no noise and had no markings on it. It was solid flat black as was the huge Triangle. The chopper then took off toward the Golden Gate bridge climbing up. The Triangle slowing gained altitude and was last seen heading south. I left the area for port and went out Wednesday to finish hauling in my traps. At first I thought it was an alien UFO and was genunly startled by it. However, I now believe it was an experimental military platform for transporting a small fleet of black helocopters that leave and enter out of the top of a huge silent floating triangle the size of a football field. A rigid airship if you will.

    ((NUFORC Note: This may be the first report we have received that has the occupants of such a craft using a camera with a flash attachment..))

    • LOL: Gabe Ruth
    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @Anonymous

    "it's US anti-gravitational technology"

    The "tic-tac" ufos swarming USN ships off San Diego share a lineage with the Nazi foo-fighter spheres that buzzed American aircraft over Europe during WW II. Both aerial objects are/were pilotless.

    , @kaganovitch
    @Anonymous

    I grabbed my Ruger 10-22 rifle loaded with a 100 round banana magazine and stared firing as fast as I could until the clif was empty

    Not to be autistic or anything, but I don't think the 100 round mags for the 10/22 are banana. I think they are only drum magazines.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    , @James Forrestal
    @Anonymous

    Black helicopters and a UFO?

    Clearly it had just finished laying some chemtrails, and was transitioning to "crop circle" duty -- hence the low altitude.

  4. anonymous[310] • Disclaimer says:

    The UFO sightings are deflections of new military weaponry being tested. Same as in the 50s.

    • Agree: Joe Magarac, Gordo
    • Replies: @enochian
    @anonymous

    This seems like a silly idea - claiming that secret military weapons are aliens is going to draw more public attention to them, and more investigators, not less. And if the military was testing saucer shaped hypersonic aircraft in the 40s, why were civilians not flying in them in the 60s and 70s, and why are they not in aircraft museums today, 70 years later?

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Paul Mendez, @SaneClownPosse

    , @Paleo Liberal
    @anonymous

    This is exactly what I used to think, until very recently.

    Now I really don't know.

    My training is in science, so I am quite willing to change my opinions when new evidence comes forwards, and to reserve judgment when the evidence isn't clear.

    , @JimDandy
    @anonymous

    Yeah, please add "Israeli super-magneto-drone tech" to this list, Steve:

    Aliens? Hoax? Chinese? Russians? Not yet recognized natural phenomenon like sprites? Disinformation? Randomness? Hackers? Or what else?

  5. Probably not Aliens. That’d be too damn weird. They can cross interstellar distance with ships that pull physics defying stunts and use them to come dick around in our atmosphere? To what end?

    Probably not the Russians or Chinese. If they had toys like that, they’d be playing with them and not all sneaky like.

    Seems too confused to be disinformation.

    Can’t hack the mk1 eyeball yet.

    I’ll lay my guess on “unrecognized natural phenomena”. Seems like the best bet of a sorry bunch.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Regret


    Probably not Aliens. That’d be too damn weird. They can cross interstellar distance with ships that pull physics defying stunts and use them to come dick around in our atmosphere? To what end?
     
    Maybe they just haven't mastered the art of landing on terra firma yet.

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal

    , @johnmark7
    @Regret

    Plasma electric magnetic phenomenon.

    From Thunderbolts:

    ?In 1956, Winston Harper Bostick demonstrated that an amorphous mass of high-velocity plasma has a natural ability to convert a large proportion of its kinetic energy into magnetic energy, contained in an organised toroidal structure. He called this structure a ‘plasmoid’.

    Archaeologist and Thunderbolts colleague Peter Mungo Jupp details the criteria of eyewitness accounts that some UFO sightings may in fact be plasmoids. They seem to possess an intelligence, rise and fall to the ground as though being flown, seem to fly in the direction of either magnetic pole, change shape, pulse, and can blink with multiple colours. This ubiquitous property of plasmoids is often recorded as UFO sightings."

    https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2021/05/08/peter-mungo-jupp-ufo-or-plasmoid-thunderbolts/

  6. Anon[198] • Disclaimer says:

    There’s a book that came out in 1995 during the last UFO mania (Roswell, alien abduction, gray-style body shape aliens first appeared in media). The book, Watch the Skies, by Curtis Peebles, is a historical walk through these every quarter century UFO things. They are all the same. The same people show up. The same claims are made. The same excuses are concocted. The same authorities are rolled out. The same conspiracies are claimed. The book is not available in Kindle, unfortunately.

    When seen in this kind of a historical perspective, it’s easy to see how fake it all is.

    By the way, Neil deGrasse Tyson came out of #metoo’d semi-media retirement to denounce this UFO stuff on Rogan, and he’s pretty good at it. When every Karen incident is livestreamed, why are all the UFO (= aliens) things blurry black and white video?, he asked Rogan. Rogan: Because the aliens live in the sea to avoid being seen by people, so only aircraft-carrier jets come across them. Joe, my man, you’ve been smoking too much ganja!

    By the way, Roswell turned out not to be a weather balloon, but rather an H-bomb isotope-detecting balloon from the upper atmosphere. It seems mylar was really amazing to rural ranchers in the 1940s, and seemed like a miracle metal.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    Mylar must have been pretty alien-looking in 1947.

    Replies: @Anon, @syonredux, @gutta percha

    , @Hangnail Hans
    @Anon

    Sorry, I can't watch any Neil deGrasse Tyson videos right now. I did some really hard drinking last night so brain cells are at a bit of a premium atm.

    , @Nathan
    @Anon

    Ugh. It's grainy black and white footage because it's white-hot infrared. It's better than high definition video because it shows there is a physical object present and it isn't an optical trick.

    De Grasse Tyson is such a fraud.

    Replies: @Anon, @guest007, @epebble, @Mr. Anon

    , @Hapalong Cassidy
    @Anon

    I remember the last bout of UFO mania, which took place around the time of the X Files and Independence Day. It seemed like a side effect of the distrust created by the regimes of Bush the Elder and especially Clinton. I distinctly remember a lengthy Time article talking about the UFO phenomenon, in a dismissive tone usually reserved for JFK assassination conspiracy theories. This of course made me more inclined to believe in UFOs than less.

    , @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    @Anon

    Take a look at the green-bordered picture here. Has anyone ever seen an explanation of the lettering, numbers, and shapes superimposed on the picture.?

    Replies: @Easy Pete

  7. As I commented on another place…

    There are enough reliable sightings or encounters of pilots from backward countries like ex-Yugoslavia that are, for me, proof that some objects of that type did actually visit (or have been intermittently visiting) the earth for decades and, probably, centuries.

    This cannot be reduced to psychological climate or mass hysteria, meteorological phenomena or information- or psycho-warfare. Also, it is virtually impossible that any country, now, possesses such a superior technology.

    Simply- the entire world-view that we live in a 3+1 dimensional universe is narrow & obsolete.

    I take it all seriously because serious- although in this case, someone I detest- people like general Zvonko Jurjević, the last commander of Yugoslav People Army/YPA Air Force in dissolution and a wanted war criminal who still resides in Belgrade (if he hadn’t croaked recently), more than a few times has testified that during the 1970s, he personally, as the JNA/YPA fighter pilot, had been mocked by a UFO-like object which, after he embarked on a chase of the object, miraculously appeared before & after his plane, instantly changing positions by suddenly “materializing” and “dematerializing” within his field of vision & earth based radars.

    There are numerous attested examples like this one, and not just fictions about alien abductions, nor sightings from mentally unstable individuals.

    There is enough evidence from professional & mentally balanced individuals, that they had been in close visual contact with flying objects whose dynamic capabilities defy anything we can do. And a common feature is frequently connected with something we could call “higher dimensions”, because sudden appearance/disappearance from/to a point implies that a 4-dimensional object- at least, since there could be more dimensions- has somehow “tunneled” form the 4- dimensional space to our 3-dimensional space by manipulating its extra dimension(s) through some technology we could not even think of, as yet.

    Anyway, there is -among numerous others- a short video in Serbian (for English/Engleski subtitles, click on the wheel, right corner bottom & choose the English sub):

    • Agree: Morton's toes
  8. It’s obviously Project Blue Beam … the ‘biggest hoax of all time’ … bigger than the hoax of the 50-years-ago ‘moon landings’ … bigger than the hoax of ‘nuclear weapons’ which in fact do not exist … Covid-19 & its ‘vaccines’ have prepared the way for people around the world, to Believe in the SCIENCE

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @brabantian

    > NASA leading us into a global government
    > Can't even govern itself, losing two shuttles because of organizational dementia

    You might be on to something.

    Replies: @donut

  9. @Anon
    There's a book that came out in 1995 during the last UFO mania (Roswell, alien abduction, gray-style body shape aliens first appeared in media). The book, Watch the Skies, by Curtis Peebles, is a historical walk through these every quarter century UFO things. They are all the same. The same people show up. The same claims are made. The same excuses are concocted. The same authorities are rolled out. The same conspiracies are claimed. The book is not available in Kindle, unfortunately.

    When seen in this kind of a historical perspective, it's easy to see how fake it all is.

    By the way, Neil deGrasse Tyson came out of #metoo'd semi-media retirement to denounce this UFO stuff on Rogan, and he's pretty good at it. When every Karen incident is livestreamed, why are all the UFO (= aliens) things blurry black and white video?, he asked Rogan. Rogan: Because the aliens live in the sea to avoid being seen by people, so only aircraft-carrier jets come across them. Joe, my man, you've been smoking too much ganja!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1u0VDFppCI4

    By the way, Roswell turned out not to be a weather balloon, but rather an H-bomb isotope-detecting balloon from the upper atmosphere. It seems mylar was really amazing to rural ranchers in the 1940s, and seemed like a miracle metal.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Hangnail Hans, @Nathan, @Hapalong Cassidy, @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    Mylar must have been pretty alien-looking in 1947.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Steve Sailer


    Mylar must have been pretty alien-looking in 1947.
     
    In an age when "plastic" was mostly limited to bakelite telephones, even a modern potato chip bag would seem alien. "Marge, I crumpled up this shiny metalic looking thing, put it in the trash, and it expanded back into its original shape. It won't stay folded up! Aliens must have made it!"

    During a trip to the Smithsonian Institution in the late 1990s, at their book shop, I bought this newly published book:

    https://www.amazon.com/UFO-Crash-Roswell-Genesis-Modern/dp/1588340635

    The Smithsonian Institution Press is the publisher, 1997. The book has two parts. Part one has two anthropologists analyzing Roswell in various useful ways. The main thing they did is to timeline the whole story and claim, which was easier to do pre-internet. They found every published source, dated them, and cataloged the claims made, by who, when. You could then see the story expanding over time. They also look at religious aspects and the like.

    Then a scientist who was with the balloon program monitoring the Soviet Unions H-bomb program wrote a detailed description of that, newly unclassified. He tracked down the exact balloon that crashed.
    , @syonredux
    @Steve Sailer

    Heck, in 1954, plastic was regarded as some kind of miraculous substance:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cGvwFyHdbo

    Replies: @photondancer, @IAJ

    , @gutta percha
    @Steve Sailer

    "Mylar must have been pretty alien-looking in 1947."

    A 1947 Nash automobile looks pretty alien to Earthlings in 2021. Our scientists have struggled to exactly match the paint colors of that era, but so far have failed. Whoever created those vehicles had access to color technologies far beyond our own.

  10. Cover story to keep us beguiled ahead.

    Perhaps the aliens will sound a lot like Greta.

    • LOL: El Dato
  11. Anyway, I’m getting off the topic of UFOs, so what do you think is going on? Aliens? Hoax? Chinese? Russians? Not yet recognized natural phenomenon like sprites? Disinformation? Randomness? Hackers? Or what else?

    Hackers from another dimension injecting random signals into this 3+1 universe to see what happens which is interpreted as “UFOs” by the local slowpoke information processing peasants, much as a brain getting currents fed into it hallucinates random impressions and feelings.

    Also, a passage from Lem’s “Solaris”:

    Misplaced among the thick volumes of the Annual, I discovered a small calf-bound book, and scanned its scuffed, worn cover for a moment. It was Muntius’s Introduction to Solaristics, published many years before. I had read it in a single night, after Gibarian had smilingly lent me his personal copy; and when I had turned the final page the light of a new Earth dawn was shining through my window. According to Muntius, Solaristics is the space era’s equivalent of religion: faith disguised as science. Contact, the stated aim of Solaristics, is no less vague and obscure than the communion of the saints, or the second coming of the Messiah. Exploration is a liturgy using the language of methodology; the drudgery of the Solarists is carried out only in the expectation of fulfillment, of an Annunciation, for there are not and cannot be any bridges between Solaris and Earth. The comparison is reinforced by obvious parallels: Solarists reject arguments – no experiences in common, no communicable notions – just as the faithful rejected the arguments that undermined the foundations of their belief. Then again, what can mankind expect or hope for out of a joint ‘pooling of information’ with the living ocean? A catalogue of the vicissitudes associated with an existence of such infinite duration that it probably has no memory of its origins? A description of the aspirations, passions and sufferings that find expression in the perpetual creation of living mountains? The apotheosis of mathematics, the revelation of plenitude in isolation and renunciation? But all this represents a body of incommunicable knowledge. Transposed into any human language, the values and meanings involved lose all substance; they cannot be brought intact through the barrier. In any case, the ‘adepts’ do not expect such revelations – of the order of poetry, rather than science – since unconsciously it is Revelation itself that they expect, and this revelation is to explain to them the meaning of the destiny of man! Solaristics is a revival of long-vanished myths, the expression of mystical nostalgias which men are unwilling to confess openly. The cornerstone is deeply entrenched in the foundations of the edifice: it is the hope of Redemption. Solarists are incapable of recognizing this truth, and consequently take care to avoid any interpretation of Contact, which is presented in their writings as an ultimate goal, whereas originally it had been considered as a beginning, and as a step onto a new path, among many other possible paths. Over the years, Contact has become sanctified. It has become the heaven of eternity. Muntius analyzes this ‘heresy’ of planetology very simply and trenchantly. He brilliantly dismantles the Solarist myth, or rather the myth of the Mission of Mankind. Muntius’s had been the first voice raised in protest, and had encountered the contemptuous silence of the experts, at a time when they still retained a romantic confidence in the development of Solaristics. After all, how could they have accepted a thesis that struck at the foundations of their achievements?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @El Dato

    Stanislaw Lem is pretty great.

    Replies: @alaska3636, @Known Fact, @Bardon Kaldian

  12. At this point there is only witness testimony. All the declassified videos we’ve seen have already been more or less debunked (infrared flares, distant planes, parallax, electro-optical artifacts, gimbals). People like Harry Reid and John Brennan are not particularly smart when it comes to STEM. I do not know what to make of pilots’ first hand accounts.

    • Agree: jamie b.
    • Replies: @Yawrate
    @i hope i'm right

    Follow this link to see how UFOs can be nothing more than perceptual misinterpretations.

    https://www.metabunk.org/home/

    , @Eric Novak
    @i hope i'm right

    None of the Navy’s videos that have been released since 2017 as part of Harry Reid’s program has been debunked.

    Replies: @jamie b.

  13. The topic is packed to the hilt with grifters.

    Regarding camera technology, due to chroma subsampling and users continuing to use the 1080p default, most published video even today contains 540 lines of color information. Metallic objects in the sky have very little in the way of contrast, so recording quality is going to be far poorer even in this year compared to ancient photographic film. People attempting to capture an object on phone should not use video, but photo. Video compression is inadvertently optimised for compressing and removing detail in blue sky footage.

    I am not willing to accept claims of communication (other than maneuvers between aircraft and vessel), UFO crashes, autopsies, abductions, or human incorporation of recovered alien technology.

    Good people have been driven to their death by public humiliation over the matter, which makes my anger at grifters greater. For example, physicist James E. McDonald.

  14. Mostly not yet recognized natural phenomenon like sprites. Mostly. Also some sightings of human technology.

    • Agree: Alfa158, Art Deco
  15. Ahem says:

    The current scientific doctrine concerning gravity is that gravity is a “pull” force. In this scenario, the presence of a quantity of mass, including normal (or baryonic) matter, plus Dark Matter, warps spacetime and causes surrounding matter to be attracted to these masses.

    If alien spacecraft are flitting around Sol and other stars in the galaxy, then it would be necessary to regard gravity as a repulsive, not an attractive force, with repulsive gravitational waves emitted by this mystery particle.

    The equations of relativity would work just as well, but it would upset the existing scientific paradigm.

    This is unacceptable.

    Scientists must continue to maintain that gravity is an “attractive” rather than a “repulsive” force.

    Therefore, alien spacecraft have no need to be factored into any scientific speculations.

    Conclusion: Alien spacecraft do not exist.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Ahem

    Seriously, that makes only sense to the pseudo-scientific dilettante who sees conspiracies by the "community" everywhere where his understanding is sadly lacking.

    Gravity is not even regarded as a "force" and if you come by any "special materials" that generate repulsive gravity, a Nobel Prize will be branded into your ass cheek pretty much immediately.

    It's the same tune with the bullshit "reactionless drives" that appear every 10 year or so. After a breathless article in NewScientist, the inventor then cries conspiracy while promising PhD students waste their time trying to detect any force whatsoever distinguishable from measurement noise.

    Replies: @Ahem

  16. @anonymous
    The UFO sightings are deflections of new military weaponry being tested. Same as in the 50s.

    Replies: @enochian, @Paleo Liberal, @JimDandy

    This seems like a silly idea – claiming that secret military weapons are aliens is going to draw more public attention to them, and more investigators, not less. And if the military was testing saucer shaped hypersonic aircraft in the 40s, why were civilians not flying in them in the 60s and 70s, and why are they not in aircraft museums today, 70 years later?

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    @enochian

    Maybe a flying saucer isn't the best shape for an aircraft? Then again, Popular Mechanics had an article about a declassified set of plans for a US flying saucer. Parts of the drawings looked like debris from a crash in Australia in the 70s.
    I also heard a fellow who helped start the lawsuits over heavy metal poisoning at Groom Lake (Area 51). The guy who first called him claimed that the US had a spaceplane and was still going to the moon.
    Who knows?

    , @Paul Mendez
    @enochian


    ...claiming that secret military weapons are aliens is going to draw more public attention to them, and more investigators, not less.
     
    But it might make people keep quiet rather than be thought wacko.

    https://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/the-test-pilot-of-the-usafs-first-jet-fighter-dressed-as-a-gorilla-to-mess-with-other-pilots/
    , @SaneClownPosse
    @enochian

    Consider this explanation, that this technology is already in use by the world's wealthy ruling families, who are using this tech, instead of the Concorde to get around quickly.

    They are misdirecting the public to believe in either 1) aliens, or 2) secret military weapons.

    We get to choose between Lie 1 or Lie 2. Either way, it is not available for the little people.

    Like every four years, we get to choose between their R candidate or their D candidate.

  17. They tried to approach t6he craft. The aliens laughed at them and *instantly* accelerated to Mach 15! They completely disabled all the ICBMs inside a silo just to show they can.

    Bob Lazar, a physicist who claims to have worked on of these craft,speculated how the craft works. He said it utilizes an anti-gravity engine. A miniature particle accelerator bombards the element 115(Ununpentium) . When the protons decay, they generate a gravity fiel Then, thee gravity waves are channeled through tubes that contain a coil and electromagnetic field that channels those gravity waves. It’s not propulsion, but rather repulsion. The gravity waves distort space, “compressing” the distance between the craft and the target. And because gravity bends time and space itself, that allows the craft to travel millions of light-years instantly. According to Laza, there are no wires or moving parts. The craft is controlled by th0ught. The mainframe is a computer that has biological parts in it, which allows it to capture thought waves. The outr part of the craft is composed of an alloy that bends but does not break, and resists to .50 cal fire without even a tiny nick or bent. Lazar said that it is something so unfathomably advanced that understand the principles of technology even on a primary level took months of brainstorming. Trying to reserve engineering the technology was an absolute failure. As Lazar said:

    “We were like Neanderthals trying to understand how a modern personal computer or jet engine works. We didn’t have a clue, and we couldn’t possibly have a clue”

    He said that craft has several small chairs inside, like for children.He claims a description about those beings was given. Thye are 4′ tall,with heads over twice the size that of a human. They do not have sexual reprodution, a function that atrophied as they have been reproducing through cloning and implantation of designer genes for tens of thousands of years. Their biology is not entirely Carbon-based,and partly silicon-based.They are also semi-mechanic as well, as nano machines the size of molecules permeate their cells.They no longer have an immune system, as they steriliazed the entire biospheres of the several planets they inhabit eons ago from all viruses and bacterias. Despite their lack of an immune system, their cells are extremely difficult to infect as they are silicon-based and the surface proteins are not really compatible with any Earth pathogen, They live individually for up to 90,000 Earth years, as their proteins are extremely stable, and their DNA does not experience telomere attrition.They also have ovr 100 X the amounts of superoxide dismutase and catalase that humans have, which protects their DNA from both oxidative stress and ionizing radiation. They breathe oxygen like we do, but find it very difficult to breathe on Earth due to the lower amount of nitrogen in Earth’s air. Their muscles and skin apparently are a same organ, and they have a single organ that performs the functions that, in humans, would be performed separately by the jidneys and liver. They eat a concentrated gel of proteins and glucose polymers. they cannot digest solid food, due to atrophy of their digestive system due to evolution. Their excretion is done though the skin, which is why they have a strong odor of ammonia. Their brains are twice the size of ours, and the frontal cortex is three times larger, and with many more convolutions. Based on this, they estimated they have IQs around 385, They also are unemotional by humans standards, as the structure of their brains equivalent to the lymbic system atrophied over eons.

    The story is that they visited Earth 25 million years ago,trying to identify potential species that could develop intelligence and a civilization. They identified a small lemur-like creature as a potential candidate. That lemur-like creature is. They visited periodically since then.

    The story goes is tha Earth is being quarantined. Since the development of nuclear weapons, the aliens are concerned with our war-like tendencies, and that we could spread throughout the Universe with our ideas in a few hundre thousand years, which is a very short space of time for them.So they are concerned. What the aliens are most concerned with, though, is that we have nukes but we don’t speak with a single coice. The World is divided into nmational and religious blocks. With nukes and without a central control of them, that is a problem.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Rockford Tyson

    I see.

    , @They Drew First Blood
    @Rockford Tyson


    So they are concerned. What the aliens are most concerned with, though, is that we have nukes but we don’t speak with a single coice.
     
    So concerned they let us live, how magnanimous!
    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Rockford Tyson


    They do not have sexual reprodution, a function that atrophied as they have been reproducing through cloning and implantation of designer genes for tens of thousands of years.
     
    Sounds like they took the jab!
    , @Lockean Proviso
    @Rockford Tyson


    The story is that they visited Earth 25 million years ago,trying to identify potential species that could develop intelligence and a civilization. They identified a small lemur-like creature as a potential candidate. That lemur-like creature is. They visited periodically since then.

    The story goes is tha Earth is being quarantined. Since the development of nuclear weapons, the aliens are concerned with our war-like tendencies, and that we could spread throughout the Universe with our ideas in a few hundre thousand years, which is a very short space of time for them.So they are concerned. What the aliens are most concerned with, though, is that we have nukes but we don’t speak with a single coice. The World is divided into nmational and religious blocks. With nukes and without a central control of them, that is a problem.
     

    This is an End Times deception. These beings are fallen angels/ demons, and they are masquerading as aliens to get humanity to deny God as the creator and to unite to follow the Antichrist.

    The past year has been a massive assault on Christianity and preparation for "revelation of 'aliens'," with whom our Satanic high-level elites have been working for a long time. Historic white European civilization was blessed with cooperation, beauty, intelligence, innovation, bravery, and discovery in order to have the drive, power, and clout to spread the Gospel to the world in the Great Commission in conjunction with natural expression of expansion and growth. But now that many of us have abandoned God and our civilization spreads the toxic filth of GloboHomo, He has withdrawn His favor and we are entering a time when envy, spite, and persecution are being visited upon white people. Things are going to get interesting.

    Replies: @Rockford Tyson

    , @Anon
    @Rockford Tyson

    They are peace scientists studying how to prevent us from destroying ourselves.

  18. It’s nice of these UFOs to be lit up like Christmas trees. Maybe they traveled across the galaxy to learn about our stealth technology? Or even the concept of, you know, turning your lights off. Pretty sure we mastered that concept before WWII.

    • LOL: photondancer
    • Replies: @JMcG
    @RichardTaylor

    If the aliens are like my wife and kids, I could see them leaving the lights on for a couple of hundred years.

    , @guest007
    @RichardTaylor

    What is amazing is that the objects are emitting so much in the visible range while not emitting anything in the RF range nor even reflecting any radar waves back.

    , @El Dato
    @RichardTaylor

    These things are not unheard of. Let's take a look at the reservoir of lore that is Wikipedia:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lubbock_Lights


    The Lubbock Lights were an unusual formation of lights seen over the city of Lubbock, Texas in August and September 1951. The Lubbock Lights incident received national publicity in the United States as a UFO sighting, and was investigated by the U.S. Air Force. The Air Force ultimately concluded that the lights were "positively identified as a very commonplace and easily explainable natural phenomenon".
     
    https://i.postimg.cc/RZ7p2t84/lubbock-lights-doing-their-light-thing.jpg

    Still the best I guess:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1952_Washington,_D.C._UFO_incident

    The 1952 Washington, D.C. UFO incident, also known as the Washington flap, the Washington National Airport Sightings, or the Invasion of Washington,[1] was a series of unidentified flying object reports from July 12 to July 29, 1952, over Washington, D.C. The most publicized sightings took place on consecutive weekends, July 19–20 and July 26–27. UFO historian Curtis Peebles called the incident "the climax of the 1952 (UFO) flap" - "Never before or after did Project Blue Book and the Air Force undergo such a tidal wave of (UFO) reports
     
    I don't think there is any solid evidence what actually happened, if anything happened.
  19. What better way to usher in Global Government than to create a heightened alien threat and urge us to fight the good fight for humanity.

    Funny that all we get in these days of high def cameras everywhere … practically on every street corner, in everyone’s pockets and millions of dash-cams that even catch metors burning through the atmosphere in HD … all we get is grainy, non-descript video solely from DoD sources. You’d think we’d get better value for the three-quarters of a trillion dollars lavished on DoD each year.

    BTW, what happened to all those alien abductions we used to hear about pre-internet era?

    Lockdown and mask up and settle in for your flight to your ultimate destiny.

    • Replies: @photondancer
    @The Alarmist

    That was pretty much the reaction on a tech forum I frequent. What, with all the money the DoD has they still can't fit some decent cameras on their planes? This crappy blurry footage is an insult to our intelligence, frankly. The general idea was that it was some kind of psyop. If the footage was clear we'd be able to see what mundane phenomena it actually was, therefore the DoD has some reason to keep stoking the idea that it's UFOs.

    , @dfordoom
    @The Alarmist


    What better way to usher in Global Government than to create a heightened alien threat and urge us to fight the good fight for humanity.
     
    The US sure as hell doesn't want Global Government. It wants Global Empire, run from Washington. Would hysteria about aliens be in the interests of the US global empire? I'm sceptical.

    The most obvious explanation is that the Alien Threat will be used to justify a massive increase in military spending. And to justify the development of more totally unnecessary gee-whizz high-tech toys for the military to play with.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  20. … why were civilians not flying in them in the 60s and 70s …

    Because they did not work very well.

    No longer secret, BTW.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Canada_VZ-9_Avrocar

    • Replies: @Another Canadian
    @Joe Magarac

    The idea has been around for a long time.
    https://youtu.be/HFXcirSidnY

  21. @El Dato

    Anyway, I’m getting off the topic of UFOs, so what do you think is going on? Aliens? Hoax? Chinese? Russians? Not yet recognized natural phenomenon like sprites? Disinformation? Randomness? Hackers? Or what else?
     
    Hackers from another dimension injecting random signals into this 3+1 universe to see what happens which is interpreted as "UFOs" by the local slowpoke information processing peasants, much as a brain getting currents fed into it hallucinates random impressions and feelings.

    Also, a passage from Lem's "Solaris":

    Misplaced among the thick volumes of the Annual, I discovered a small calf-bound book, and scanned its scuffed, worn cover for a moment. It was Muntius's Introduction to Solaristics, published many years before. I had read it in a single night, after Gibarian had smilingly lent me his personal copy; and when I had turned the final page the light of a new Earth dawn was shining through my window. According to Muntius, Solaristics is the space era's equivalent of religion: faith disguised as science. Contact, the stated aim of Solaristics, is no less vague and obscure than the communion of the saints, or the second coming of the Messiah. Exploration is a liturgy using the language of methodology; the drudgery of the Solarists is carried out only in the expectation of fulfillment, of an Annunciation, for there are not and cannot be any bridges between Solaris and Earth. The comparison is reinforced by obvious parallels: Solarists reject arguments - no experiences in common, no communicable notions - just as the faithful rejected the arguments that undermined the foundations of their belief. Then again, what can mankind expect or hope for out of a joint 'pooling of information' with the living ocean? A catalogue of the vicissitudes associated with an existence of such infinite duration that it probably has no memory of its origins? A description of the aspirations, passions and sufferings that find expression in the perpetual creation of living mountains? The apotheosis of mathematics, the revelation of plenitude in isolation and renunciation? But all this represents a body of incommunicable knowledge. Transposed into any human language, the values and meanings involved lose all substance; they cannot be brought intact through the barrier. In any case, the 'adepts' do not expect such revelations - of the order of poetry, rather than science - since unconsciously it is Revelation itself that they expect, and this revelation is to explain to them the meaning of the destiny of man! Solaristics is a revival of long-vanished myths, the expression of mystical nostalgias which men are unwilling to confess openly. The cornerstone is deeply entrenched in the foundations of the edifice: it is the hope of Redemption. Solarists are incapable of recognizing this truth, and consequently take care to avoid any interpretation of Contact, which is presented in their writings as an ultimate goal, whereas originally it had been considered as a beginning, and as a step onto a new path, among many other possible paths. Over the years, Contact has become sanctified. It has become the heaven of eternity. Muntius analyzes this 'heresy' of planetology very simply and trenchantly. He brilliantly dismantles the Solarist myth, or rather the myth of the Mission of Mankind. Muntius's had been the first voice raised in protest, and had encountered the contemptuous silence of the experts, at a time when they still retained a romantic confidence in the development of Solaristics. After all, how could they have accepted a thesis that struck at the foundations of their achievements?
     

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Stanislaw Lem is pretty great.

    • Agree: dfordoom
    • Replies: @alaska3636
    @Steve Sailer

    I just finished Tales of Pirx the Pilot by Lem. The quality of the prose is excellent for something that was translated.

    , @Known Fact
    @Steve Sailer

    Solaris is the most compelling sci-fi novel I've ever read (three or four times now). And don't miss his Fiasco either (or Malzberg's Beyond Apollo).

    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @Steve Sailer

    Lem is the most intellectual & conceptually original sci-fi author (I wouldn't call him the greatest, because I don't think any sci-fi writing is "great"-the same goes for romance novels, fantasy,...or any other genre fiction). His best fiction, in my opinion, is "His Master's Voice", and his most challenging book is a long philosophical meditation "Summa Technologiae".

    His works can be downloaded here:

    Summa Techologiae

    http://libgen.rs/book/index.php?md5=4C55E44EBDAA0CBE3C2889AED849EC01

    http://libgen.rs/book/index.php?md5=6CF3F500262B96A91FEFDA1B6C915C1E

    His Master's Voice

    http://libgen.rs/book/index.php?md5=D3CC7DFDD96CCF211ED008BD9C15FA90

    Solaris

    http://libgen.rs/book/index.php?md5=BDC2D6DFDAC09075BA1B1BB8F6C9CE10

    http://libgen.rs/book/index.php?md5=6D355582079CF1CAE3FA0A9648ED0613

    Stanislaw Lem Reader

    http://libgen.rs/book/index.php?md5=E2F260CE65E15B00CF04BC5AAD050134

  22. So they can travel faster than light, or from nearby constellations for many years at near light, and then faf around like this. Unlikely.

    And no-one gets the anal probe anymore since cellphones with cameras became ubiquitous.

    So I’m guessing some natural phenomena and some military stuff.

    Anecdote; in a remote part of the world I once saw something that was very UFOish, I shouldn’t have seen it as we were not quite where we should have been. But I knew what it was and it didn’t come from another planet. I’m sure others here could tell similar necessarily vague stories.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Gordo


    And no-one gets the anal probe anymore since cellphones with cameras became ubiquitous.
     
    I don't like to talk about it, because people will think I'm crazy(er), but I got that anal probe a few years back. However, I wasn't sure that it was really an alien that done it, though he claimed to be from a planet called "Proctology School". Really?! That doesn't sound like it's even in the Milky Way, much less our own star cluster. I call bull-shit.

    Oh, he used a different camera from his cell phone one... something about "can't stand to answer the phone anymore when I use it for work..." There is probably an app for it though - MySelfProcto?

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Jim Christian, @The Alarmist, @Old Prude

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @Gordo

    I was once on a night flight over Greece in a window seat, and I thought I was looking out at the Corinth canal, and could see some tiny flashing lights which I took to be lighthouses.

    But eventually I realized that I was looking at the wing of the aircraft and the navigation lights.

    People just make mistakes, especially when they are tired.

    People also lie and make things up.

    "Why are you an hour late coming home, honey?"

    "You're not going to believe this... I was kidnapped by aliens who took me into their spaceship..."

    "Oh, okay then. I thought for a moment that you were with another woman."

    , @Corn
    @Gordo


    And no-one gets the anal probe anymore since cellphones with cameras became ubiquitous.
     
    Funny how aliens and Bigfoot disappeared right about the time camera phones and trail cams became common place.
  23. @Anon
    There's a book that came out in 1995 during the last UFO mania (Roswell, alien abduction, gray-style body shape aliens first appeared in media). The book, Watch the Skies, by Curtis Peebles, is a historical walk through these every quarter century UFO things. They are all the same. The same people show up. The same claims are made. The same excuses are concocted. The same authorities are rolled out. The same conspiracies are claimed. The book is not available in Kindle, unfortunately.

    When seen in this kind of a historical perspective, it's easy to see how fake it all is.

    By the way, Neil deGrasse Tyson came out of #metoo'd semi-media retirement to denounce this UFO stuff on Rogan, and he's pretty good at it. When every Karen incident is livestreamed, why are all the UFO (= aliens) things blurry black and white video?, he asked Rogan. Rogan: Because the aliens live in the sea to avoid being seen by people, so only aircraft-carrier jets come across them. Joe, my man, you've been smoking too much ganja!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1u0VDFppCI4

    By the way, Roswell turned out not to be a weather balloon, but rather an H-bomb isotope-detecting balloon from the upper atmosphere. It seems mylar was really amazing to rural ranchers in the 1940s, and seemed like a miracle metal.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Hangnail Hans, @Nathan, @Hapalong Cassidy, @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    Sorry, I can’t watch any Neil deGrasse Tyson videos right now. I did some really hard drinking last night so brain cells are at a bit of a premium atm.

  24. Obviously they’re from Solar Wakanda and are waiting to see how Chauvin’s appeal goes before deciding whether to destroy the planet.

  25. Anon[167] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    Mylar must have been pretty alien-looking in 1947.

    Replies: @Anon, @syonredux, @gutta percha

    Mylar must have been pretty alien-looking in 1947.

    In an age when “plastic” was mostly limited to bakelite telephones, even a modern potato chip bag would seem alien. “Marge, I crumpled up this shiny metalic looking thing, put it in the trash, and it expanded back into its original shape. It won’t stay folded up! Aliens must have made it!”

    During a trip to the Smithsonian Institution in the late 1990s, at their book shop, I bought this newly published book:

    The Smithsonian Institution Press is the publisher, 1997. The book has two parts. Part one has two anthropologists analyzing Roswell in various useful ways. The main thing they did is to timeline the whole story and claim, which was easier to do pre-internet. They found every published source, dated them, and cataloged the claims made, by who, when. You could then see the story expanding over time. They also look at religious aspects and the like.

    Then a scientist who was with the balloon program monitoring the Soviet Unions H-bomb program wrote a detailed description of that, newly unclassified. He tracked down the exact balloon that crashed.

  26. @enochian
    @anonymous

    This seems like a silly idea - claiming that secret military weapons are aliens is going to draw more public attention to them, and more investigators, not less. And if the military was testing saucer shaped hypersonic aircraft in the 40s, why were civilians not flying in them in the 60s and 70s, and why are they not in aircraft museums today, 70 years later?

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Paul Mendez, @SaneClownPosse

    Maybe a flying saucer isn’t the best shape for an aircraft? Then again, Popular Mechanics had an article about a declassified set of plans for a US flying saucer. Parts of the drawings looked like debris from a crash in Australia in the 70s.
    I also heard a fellow who helped start the lawsuits over heavy metal poisoning at Groom Lake (Area 51). The guy who first called him claimed that the US had a spaceplane and was still going to the moon.
    Who knows?

  27. It’s BS. Why be coy about it if they had anything persuasive?

    And you don’t wheel out John Brennan if you’re telling the truth. That’s just crazy.

  28. for what it is worth, Edward Snowden said he looked through the CIA’s files for any evidence of aliens or real UFOs and did not find anything

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
    • LOL: Sean
  29. @The Alarmist
    What better way to usher in Global Government than to create a heightened alien threat and urge us to fight the good fight for humanity.

    Funny that all we get in these days of high def cameras everywhere ... practically on every street corner, in everyone’s pockets and millions of dash-cams that even catch metors burning through the atmosphere in HD ... all we get is grainy, non-descript video solely from DoD sources. You’d think we’d get better value for the three-quarters of a trillion dollars lavished on DoD each year.

    BTW, what happened to all those alien abductions we used to hear about pre-internet era?

    Lockdown and mask up and settle in for your flight to your ultimate destiny.


    https://youtu.be/NIufLRpJYnI?t=0m13s

    Replies: @photondancer, @dfordoom

    That was pretty much the reaction on a tech forum I frequent. What, with all the money the DoD has they still can’t fit some decent cameras on their planes? This crappy blurry footage is an insult to our intelligence, frankly. The general idea was that it was some kind of psyop. If the footage was clear we’d be able to see what mundane phenomena it actually was, therefore the DoD has some reason to keep stoking the idea that it’s UFOs.

  30. By the way, I am almost sure that Daeniken/Velikovsky type speculations are true, at least 10%. Most of them are not. But, it seems reasonable that some religious scriptures and tales are, actually, in some passages, depicting human-alien contact.

    For instance, this is from the Bible, Exodus 24:

    Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and the seventy elders of Israel went up 10 and saw the God of Israel. Under his feet was something like a pavement made of lapis lazuli, as bright blue as the sky. 11 But God did not raise his hand against these leaders of the Israelites; they saw God, and they ate and drank.

    12 The Lord said to Moses, “Come up to me on the mountain and stay here, and I will give you the tablets of stone with the law and commandments I have written for their instruction.”

    13 Then Moses set out with Joshua his aide, and Moses went up on the mountain of God. 14 He said to the elders, “Wait here for us until we come back to you. Aaron and Hur are with you, and anyone involved in a dispute can go to them.”

    15 When Moses went up on the mountain, the cloud covered it, 16 and the glory of the Lord settled on Mount Sinai. For six days the cloud covered the mountain, and on the seventh day the Lord called to Moses from within the cloud. 17 To the Israelites the glory of the Lord looked like a consuming fire on top of the mountain.

    To me, it all looks similar to Monolith & chimps from Kubrick’s 2001 …

    • Replies: @Morton's toes
    @Bardon Kaldian

    There is a great line in one of the documentaries where Rod Serling announces with his poem cadence:

    Ezekiel saw a wheel
    This is the wheel Ezekiel saw

    I don't know how good a documentary about the phenomena of the objects it is, but it is an excellent documentary about the phenomenon of the phenonema. Like Alan Greenfield said "do you criticize Homer 'cause it ain't history?"

    Maybe the right description is Unidentified Flying Object Phenomenon. UFOP.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

  31. Not a coincidence that Harry Reid did the funding. Mormons are way into Sci-Fi. See, e.g., their whole “planet Kolob” shtick.

  32. There are two main schools of thought – Fermi and Sagan. Fermi argued that if aliens are real and have visited, where’s the evidence? Essentially, absence of evidence is evidence of absence. Saga responded with a long equation with all the factors for estimating the number of “advanced civilizations” in our Galaxy. The equation using conservative estimates of the factors, still gives one a BIG number of non-human civilizations more advanced than ours. I find that pretty plausible just based on the statistics.

    As other commenters have asked, WHY would they come here and what would they want with us here on this slimeball of a planet? The presumption is that interstellar travel implies a technological freedom from physical want.

    The best answer that I’ve been able to come up with is “eco-tourism,” essentially our entertainment value.

    As to the Biden Administration releasing videos now, I would cynically argue that having Tucker Carlson spend valuable prime airtime on UFOs serves as a useful distraction from their many failures and unpopular policies.

  33. I’d say the aliens are simply doing scientific studies and documentation, observing another “intelligent” world culture destroy itself, The “Prime Directive” doesn’t allow them to save us.

    • Replies: @G. Poulin
    @jsinton

    Please, aliens, stop studying and documenting, and just nuke us already. I can't take it anymore.

  34. @Anon
    There's a book that came out in 1995 during the last UFO mania (Roswell, alien abduction, gray-style body shape aliens first appeared in media). The book, Watch the Skies, by Curtis Peebles, is a historical walk through these every quarter century UFO things. They are all the same. The same people show up. The same claims are made. The same excuses are concocted. The same authorities are rolled out. The same conspiracies are claimed. The book is not available in Kindle, unfortunately.

    When seen in this kind of a historical perspective, it's easy to see how fake it all is.

    By the way, Neil deGrasse Tyson came out of #metoo'd semi-media retirement to denounce this UFO stuff on Rogan, and he's pretty good at it. When every Karen incident is livestreamed, why are all the UFO (= aliens) things blurry black and white video?, he asked Rogan. Rogan: Because the aliens live in the sea to avoid being seen by people, so only aircraft-carrier jets come across them. Joe, my man, you've been smoking too much ganja!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1u0VDFppCI4

    By the way, Roswell turned out not to be a weather balloon, but rather an H-bomb isotope-detecting balloon from the upper atmosphere. It seems mylar was really amazing to rural ranchers in the 1940s, and seemed like a miracle metal.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Hangnail Hans, @Nathan, @Hapalong Cassidy, @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    Ugh. It’s grainy black and white footage because it’s white-hot infrared. It’s better than high definition video because it shows there is a physical object present and it isn’t an optical trick.

    De Grasse Tyson is such a fraud.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Nathan

    I'm not a big De Grasse Tyson fan, but he nailed it in that Rogan appearance. Remember, in these discussions the assumption is that "UFO" is being used in the sense of "Intelligent extraterrestrial life form, or a drone created thereby, visiting earth." It's not being used in the sense of "unidentified flying object." Your white-hot physical object is in fact unidentified, possibly flying, and may very well be an object. But there's no alien inside.

    Replies: @Nathan

    , @guest007
    @Nathan

    Someone would think that an advance technology good enough to move across lightyears of space could find a better way to dump excess heat than just radiate it into the environment. If the object was that hot, it should have left a trail of superheated air.

    Replies: @Nathan

    , @epebble
    @Nathan

    But we have excellent pictures of sun, stars etc., all very hot. We have even imaged a black hole. White-hot is visible. Infrared would be invisible/dull red.

    BTW, all our missile defenses are useless against UFOs? All the air forces cannot shoot down a UFO by "mistake", though they can do many airliners?

    https://physicsworld.com/a/first-images-of-a-black-hole-unveiled-by-astronomers-in-landmark-discovery/

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Nathan


    Ugh. It’s grainy black and white footage because it’s white-hot infrared.
     
    Or, it's shiny (like a Mylar balloon) and reflecting light from something hot like - oh, let's say for example - the Sun.

    Replies: @Nathan

  35. The most likely explanations are:
    Natural phenomena
    Sensor equipment error
    If you go beyond that, my assumption would be that the US government is faking this stuff for some reason.

    However those explanations are no fun. Assume the source of these phenomena are extraterrestrial intelligence. If that’s true Occam’s razor points me to the “reality is a simulation” theory rather than the “extraterrestrial beings are sending probes to the earth” theory. Our current theories about physics are definitely not completely correct. But the challenges of traveling close to or past the speed of light and the size of the universe are fundamentally correct in my opinion. Seems to me a civilization one million years more advanced than us might not be able to develop wormholes, but they could develop the energy sources and material science required to create a computer sophisticated enough to simulate our reality.

  36. @Joe Magarac

    ... why were civilians not flying in them in the 60s and 70s ...
     
    Because they did not work very well.

    No longer secret, BTW.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Canada_VZ-9_Avrocar

    Replies: @Another Canadian

    The idea has been around for a long time.

  37. I’m not clear as to whether the returns on the Navy screens were also being tracked visually at the same time, which would be much harder to explain. Supposedly there are instances of US submarines tracking extremely high speed targets underwater as well, higher than we can currently explain.
    My current belief is that these UFO’s are digital artifacts.
    That said, I’m sure the Martian textbooks will one day explain to their readers that the Native Earthians were divided into warlike tribes who constantly fought each other til the Martians came along and settled everyone’s hash. I just hope their casino games aren’t hard to learn.

  38. There are loads of different kinds of atmospheric optical phenomenon. Ask an astronomer, an old-school White guy that actually does astronomy, that is. Since astronomers may have grown up reading sci-fi and that, they may actually be biased toward WANTING there to be aliens. However, one can see funny stuff that is just nothing.

    Now, back in OMNI magazine long ago, I remember seeing a B&W photo that a reader sent in of a possible UFO, but there was no reason it couldn’t just be a frisbee. Photoshop wasn’t around, but there were enlargers, filters, and airbrushing.

  39. Two quotes:

    “We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.”

    — William Casey 1981/Feb. 1981 meeting Roosevelt Room at the White House

    “We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an Act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity…Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do.”

    — Ben Rich 1993/UCLA

    is all you need to consider here.

    • Replies: @Old Prude
    @They Drew First Blood

    “We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.”

    Yeah, well what if a large portion of the American public believes everything they are told is disinformation? Like UFO sighting from DOD representatives?

    I think the mark was overshot sometime around when I was told Bruce Jenner is a woman....

  40. @Rockford Tyson
    They tried to approach t6he craft. The aliens laughed at them and *instantly* accelerated to Mach 15! They completely disabled all the ICBMs inside a silo just to show they can. https://youtu.be/yTaG9o_WgOI

    Bob Lazar, a physicist who claims to have worked on of these craft,speculated how the craft works. He said it utilizes an anti-gravity engine. A miniature particle accelerator bombards the element 115(Ununpentium) . When the protons decay, they generate a gravity fiel Then, thee gravity waves are channeled through tubes that contain a coil and electromagnetic field that channels those gravity waves. It's not propulsion, but rather repulsion. The gravity waves distort space, "compressing" the distance between the craft and the target. And because gravity bends time and space itself, that allows the craft to travel millions of light-years instantly. According to Laza, there are no wires or moving parts. The craft is controlled by th0ught. The mainframe is a computer that has biological parts in it, which allows it to capture thought waves. The outr part of the craft is composed of an alloy that bends but does not break, and resists to .50 cal fire without even a tiny nick or bent. Lazar said that it is something so unfathomably advanced that understand the principles of technology even on a primary level took months of brainstorming. Trying to reserve engineering the technology was an absolute failure. As Lazar said:

    "We were like Neanderthals trying to understand how a modern personal computer or jet engine works. We didn't have a clue, and we couldn't possibly have a clue"

    He said that craft has several small chairs inside, like for children.He claims a description about those beings was given. Thye are 4' tall,with heads over twice the size that of a human. They do not have sexual reprodution, a function that atrophied as they have been reproducing through cloning and implantation of designer genes for tens of thousands of years. Their biology is not entirely Carbon-based,and partly silicon-based.They are also semi-mechanic as well, as nano machines the size of molecules permeate their cells.They no longer have an immune system, as they steriliazed the entire biospheres of the several planets they inhabit eons ago from all viruses and bacterias. Despite their lack of an immune system, their cells are extremely difficult to infect as they are silicon-based and the surface proteins are not really compatible with any Earth pathogen, They live individually for up to 90,000 Earth years, as their proteins are extremely stable, and their DNA does not experience telomere attrition.They also have ovr 100 X the amounts of superoxide dismutase and catalase that humans have, which protects their DNA from both oxidative stress and ionizing radiation. They breathe oxygen like we do, but find it very difficult to breathe on Earth due to the lower amount of nitrogen in Earth's air. Their muscles and skin apparently are a same organ, and they have a single organ that performs the functions that, in humans, would be performed separately by the jidneys and liver. They eat a concentrated gel of proteins and glucose polymers. they cannot digest solid food, due to atrophy of their digestive system due to evolution. Their excretion is done though the skin, which is why they have a strong odor of ammonia. Their brains are twice the size of ours, and the frontal cortex is three times larger, and with many more convolutions. Based on this, they estimated they have IQs around 385, They also are unemotional by humans standards, as the structure of their brains equivalent to the lymbic system atrophied over eons.

    The story is that they visited Earth 25 million years ago,trying to identify potential species that could develop intelligence and a civilization. They identified a small lemur-like creature as a potential candidate. That lemur-like creature is. They visited periodically since then.

    The story goes is tha Earth is being quarantined. Since the development of nuclear weapons, the aliens are concerned with our war-like tendencies, and that we could spread throughout the Universe with our ideas in a few hundre thousand years, which is a very short space of time for them.So they are concerned. What the aliens are most concerned with, though, is that we have nukes but we don't speak with a single coice. The World is divided into nmational and religious blocks. With nukes and without a central control of them, that is a problem.

    Replies: @JMcG, @They Drew First Blood, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Lockean Proviso, @Anon

    I see.

  41. @RichardTaylor
    It's nice of these UFOs to be lit up like Christmas trees. Maybe they traveled across the galaxy to learn about our stealth technology? Or even the concept of, you know, turning your lights off. Pretty sure we mastered that concept before WWII.

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-SGmdlDb_NXo/UPIr9Rx1N-I/AAAAAAAAAE8/zP7YMFEDUW8/s1600/ufo%2Bphoenix.jpg

    Replies: @JMcG, @guest007, @El Dato

    If the aliens are like my wife and kids, I could see them leaving the lights on for a couple of hundred years.

  42. Balloons, excitable pilots (including a female pilot) and known phenomena for the most part.

    Mick West is all over it.

    https://www.metabunk.org/home/

    The whole brouhaha is really just another example of how journalism is dead.

    There was more compelling video of what might be a amorphous wing aircraft around the time of the gulf War. In that case, I’m sure it was an experimental US military craft.

    Also Area 51 is where they test all the next gen ground warfighting tech. Think about it.

  43. The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary.” – HL Mencken

    U.F.O” means what it says; the observer saw some sort of phenomenon, and believing it to be an object, he reported it. The military has the obligation to identify objects seeming to move around in our airspace, and so invests resources in figuring it out.

    Sometimes, in spite of their best efforts, a phenomenon cannot be figured out. It cannot be identified. It is an “Unidentified Flying Object“.

    It is not an alien.

    Why are the military and the media making this a big story right now? I’d guess distraction. Just as long as people aren’t talking about black violence, inflation, mass illegal immigration of freeloaders, mass legal immigration of people who take good jobs away from American citizens, etc.

    I think HL Mencken said it best…

    • Agree: Old Prude
  44. @Gordo
    So they can travel faster than light, or from nearby constellations for many years at near light, and then faf around like this. Unlikely.

    And no-one gets the anal probe anymore since cellphones with cameras became ubiquitous.

    So I'm guessing some natural phenomena and some military stuff.

    Anecdote; in a remote part of the world I once saw something that was very UFOish, I shouldn't have seen it as we were not quite where we should have been. But I knew what it was and it didn't come from another planet. I'm sure others here could tell similar necessarily vague stories.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Jonathan Mason, @Corn

    And no-one gets the anal probe anymore since cellphones with cameras became ubiquitous.

    I don’t like to talk about it, because people will think I’m crazy(er), but I got that anal probe a few years back. However, I wasn’t sure that it was really an alien that done it, though he claimed to be from a planet called “Proctology School”. Really?! That doesn’t sound like it’s even in the Milky Way, much less our own star cluster. I call bull-shit.

    Oh, he used a different camera from his cell phone one… something about “can’t stand to answer the phone anymore when I use it for work…” There is probably an app for it though – MySelfProcto?

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Achmed E. Newman


    However, I wasn’t sure that it was really an alien that done it, though he claimed to be from a planet called “Proctology School”.
     
    Are you sure you didn't get them mixed up with Border Control at the airport in Shanghai or Beijing?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Jim Christian
    @Achmed E. Newman


    I don’t like to talk about it, because people will think I’m crazy(er), but I got that anal probe a few years back. However, I wasn’t sure that it was really an alien that done it, though he claimed to be from a planet called “Proctology School”.
     
    Acchie! How are ya? Listen, be glad ya only got the camera-probe, in the old days, in order to map out what's what, they used to send a sketch artist with crayons and a coloring book up there.

    I mean, ouch, right?

    , @The Alarmist
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Geez Louise ... I have an endoscope that works with my mobile ... what planet is your guy from?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Old Prude
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Were you paying for that procedure? Once out of the military and the airlines and no longer needing a Class 1, I informed my doctor "I am paying for this; I will suffer no indignities".

    Colonostopy? Fuggedabout it. That's a one-way road. I business in a box and let someone else dig through my leavings. God bless Cologard.

  45. What Do You Think About the UFO Sightings?

    Arthur C. Clarke long ago wrote a short story where benign aliens come to visit Earth and as the punch line bring joyous tidings: “We can make you black again.”

    To this, I might these days reply, “Mankind will have to decline your kind offer, but you can take them with you when you leave.”

  46. Is there no limit to everyone’s gullibility?

    It is just another three-ring circle jerk. Every bit of “sightings” and all of the “video” are sourced from the Pentagon, the same people that brought us a healthy chunk of 9-11 bullshit. Run another psyop, suck in the gullible, but never, ever, look at the collapsing Economy, or the never ending Covid circle jerk, or the lower than a Banana Republic Level Junta in Washington.

    For most of you, this is your life, and your epitaph: there will be no end to you making fools out of yourselves, because you will believe anything, as long as it is a lie.

  47. @Rockford Tyson
    They tried to approach t6he craft. The aliens laughed at them and *instantly* accelerated to Mach 15! They completely disabled all the ICBMs inside a silo just to show they can. https://youtu.be/yTaG9o_WgOI

    Bob Lazar, a physicist who claims to have worked on of these craft,speculated how the craft works. He said it utilizes an anti-gravity engine. A miniature particle accelerator bombards the element 115(Ununpentium) . When the protons decay, they generate a gravity fiel Then, thee gravity waves are channeled through tubes that contain a coil and electromagnetic field that channels those gravity waves. It's not propulsion, but rather repulsion. The gravity waves distort space, "compressing" the distance between the craft and the target. And because gravity bends time and space itself, that allows the craft to travel millions of light-years instantly. According to Laza, there are no wires or moving parts. The craft is controlled by th0ught. The mainframe is a computer that has biological parts in it, which allows it to capture thought waves. The outr part of the craft is composed of an alloy that bends but does not break, and resists to .50 cal fire without even a tiny nick or bent. Lazar said that it is something so unfathomably advanced that understand the principles of technology even on a primary level took months of brainstorming. Trying to reserve engineering the technology was an absolute failure. As Lazar said:

    "We were like Neanderthals trying to understand how a modern personal computer or jet engine works. We didn't have a clue, and we couldn't possibly have a clue"

    He said that craft has several small chairs inside, like for children.He claims a description about those beings was given. Thye are 4' tall,with heads over twice the size that of a human. They do not have sexual reprodution, a function that atrophied as they have been reproducing through cloning and implantation of designer genes for tens of thousands of years. Their biology is not entirely Carbon-based,and partly silicon-based.They are also semi-mechanic as well, as nano machines the size of molecules permeate their cells.They no longer have an immune system, as they steriliazed the entire biospheres of the several planets they inhabit eons ago from all viruses and bacterias. Despite their lack of an immune system, their cells are extremely difficult to infect as they are silicon-based and the surface proteins are not really compatible with any Earth pathogen, They live individually for up to 90,000 Earth years, as their proteins are extremely stable, and their DNA does not experience telomere attrition.They also have ovr 100 X the amounts of superoxide dismutase and catalase that humans have, which protects their DNA from both oxidative stress and ionizing radiation. They breathe oxygen like we do, but find it very difficult to breathe on Earth due to the lower amount of nitrogen in Earth's air. Their muscles and skin apparently are a same organ, and they have a single organ that performs the functions that, in humans, would be performed separately by the jidneys and liver. They eat a concentrated gel of proteins and glucose polymers. they cannot digest solid food, due to atrophy of their digestive system due to evolution. Their excretion is done though the skin, which is why they have a strong odor of ammonia. Their brains are twice the size of ours, and the frontal cortex is three times larger, and with many more convolutions. Based on this, they estimated they have IQs around 385, They also are unemotional by humans standards, as the structure of their brains equivalent to the lymbic system atrophied over eons.

    The story is that they visited Earth 25 million years ago,trying to identify potential species that could develop intelligence and a civilization. They identified a small lemur-like creature as a potential candidate. That lemur-like creature is. They visited periodically since then.

    The story goes is tha Earth is being quarantined. Since the development of nuclear weapons, the aliens are concerned with our war-like tendencies, and that we could spread throughout the Universe with our ideas in a few hundre thousand years, which is a very short space of time for them.So they are concerned. What the aliens are most concerned with, though, is that we have nukes but we don't speak with a single coice. The World is divided into nmational and religious blocks. With nukes and without a central control of them, that is a problem.

    Replies: @JMcG, @They Drew First Blood, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Lockean Proviso, @Anon

    So they are concerned. What the aliens are most concerned with, though, is that we have nukes but we don’t speak with a single coice.

    So concerned they let us live, how magnanimous!

  48. The Stolen Election Coup of 2020 is the biggest story of the century.

    Distractions, y’all.

    • Agree: Old Prude, LondonBob
    • Replies: @Old Prude
    @beavertales

    Who killed Ashli Babbitt? LOOK! A flying lozenge!

  49. If you be interesting for aerospace engineerings to model the behavior of the atmosphere around an object as big as some of the UFO’s appear to be while moving at mach 3+. The objects seem to be moving very fast while not disturbing the atmosphere around them.

  50. @RichardTaylor
    It's nice of these UFOs to be lit up like Christmas trees. Maybe they traveled across the galaxy to learn about our stealth technology? Or even the concept of, you know, turning your lights off. Pretty sure we mastered that concept before WWII.

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-SGmdlDb_NXo/UPIr9Rx1N-I/AAAAAAAAAE8/zP7YMFEDUW8/s1600/ufo%2Bphoenix.jpg

    Replies: @JMcG, @guest007, @El Dato

    What is amazing is that the objects are emitting so much in the visible range while not emitting anything in the RF range nor even reflecting any radar waves back.

  51. We have satellites with image processing so advanced we can read a license plate number from 200 miles in the sky. And our ancestors were up a tree 50,000 years ago.

    Now, imagine you belong to an advanced civilization capable of practical space travel. Don’t you think your surveillance tech would be light years better than the humans who recently mastered powered flight.

    Why not be like Yogi Berra? Learn a lot by watching. Use your mastery of the electromagnetic spectrum to sample the mass of data your human subjects have helpfully collected.

    • Thanks: vhrm
  52. I have a hard time believing alien civilizations that have the technology to travel vast distances across the galaxy lack the ability to remain undetected by those that don’t.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @Arclight

    "vast distances"

    Non-human intelligences undoubtedly exist but if they visit Earth it won't be in a physical vessel. To cover vast distances in space requires folding time. Any alien presence on Earth is likely in the psychic realm; and if they assume shape it would be spectral.

    Replies: @jamie b., @Morton's toes

    , @Stan D Mute
    @Arclight

    Why would they care about being concealed? Do you worry that the animals in a Zoo can see you looking at them?

    They would necessarily be so far advanced beyond us that a visit here could only be for idle curiosity/tourism or just scouting for any resources that they might want for themselves.

    Real UFOs wouldn’t have to comply with Roddenberry’s rules for Star Fleet.

  53. @Rockford Tyson
    They tried to approach t6he craft. The aliens laughed at them and *instantly* accelerated to Mach 15! They completely disabled all the ICBMs inside a silo just to show they can. https://youtu.be/yTaG9o_WgOI

    Bob Lazar, a physicist who claims to have worked on of these craft,speculated how the craft works. He said it utilizes an anti-gravity engine. A miniature particle accelerator bombards the element 115(Ununpentium) . When the protons decay, they generate a gravity fiel Then, thee gravity waves are channeled through tubes that contain a coil and electromagnetic field that channels those gravity waves. It's not propulsion, but rather repulsion. The gravity waves distort space, "compressing" the distance between the craft and the target. And because gravity bends time and space itself, that allows the craft to travel millions of light-years instantly. According to Laza, there are no wires or moving parts. The craft is controlled by th0ught. The mainframe is a computer that has biological parts in it, which allows it to capture thought waves. The outr part of the craft is composed of an alloy that bends but does not break, and resists to .50 cal fire without even a tiny nick or bent. Lazar said that it is something so unfathomably advanced that understand the principles of technology even on a primary level took months of brainstorming. Trying to reserve engineering the technology was an absolute failure. As Lazar said:

    "We were like Neanderthals trying to understand how a modern personal computer or jet engine works. We didn't have a clue, and we couldn't possibly have a clue"

    He said that craft has several small chairs inside, like for children.He claims a description about those beings was given. Thye are 4' tall,with heads over twice the size that of a human. They do not have sexual reprodution, a function that atrophied as they have been reproducing through cloning and implantation of designer genes for tens of thousands of years. Their biology is not entirely Carbon-based,and partly silicon-based.They are also semi-mechanic as well, as nano machines the size of molecules permeate their cells.They no longer have an immune system, as they steriliazed the entire biospheres of the several planets they inhabit eons ago from all viruses and bacterias. Despite their lack of an immune system, their cells are extremely difficult to infect as they are silicon-based and the surface proteins are not really compatible with any Earth pathogen, They live individually for up to 90,000 Earth years, as their proteins are extremely stable, and their DNA does not experience telomere attrition.They also have ovr 100 X the amounts of superoxide dismutase and catalase that humans have, which protects their DNA from both oxidative stress and ionizing radiation. They breathe oxygen like we do, but find it very difficult to breathe on Earth due to the lower amount of nitrogen in Earth's air. Their muscles and skin apparently are a same organ, and they have a single organ that performs the functions that, in humans, would be performed separately by the jidneys and liver. They eat a concentrated gel of proteins and glucose polymers. they cannot digest solid food, due to atrophy of their digestive system due to evolution. Their excretion is done though the skin, which is why they have a strong odor of ammonia. Their brains are twice the size of ours, and the frontal cortex is three times larger, and with many more convolutions. Based on this, they estimated they have IQs around 385, They also are unemotional by humans standards, as the structure of their brains equivalent to the lymbic system atrophied over eons.

    The story is that they visited Earth 25 million years ago,trying to identify potential species that could develop intelligence and a civilization. They identified a small lemur-like creature as a potential candidate. That lemur-like creature is. They visited periodically since then.

    The story goes is tha Earth is being quarantined. Since the development of nuclear weapons, the aliens are concerned with our war-like tendencies, and that we could spread throughout the Universe with our ideas in a few hundre thousand years, which is a very short space of time for them.So they are concerned. What the aliens are most concerned with, though, is that we have nukes but we don't speak with a single coice. The World is divided into nmational and religious blocks. With nukes and without a central control of them, that is a problem.

    Replies: @JMcG, @They Drew First Blood, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Lockean Proviso, @Anon

    They do not have sexual reprodution, a function that atrophied as they have been reproducing through cloning and implantation of designer genes for tens of thousands of years.

    Sounds like they took the jab!

  54. https://twitter.com/FamedCelebrity/status/1397675102242705409?s=20

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @Desiderius

    "fake and gay"

    The pyramid-shaped craft began popping up in the skies in the 1990s: in NATO-controlled airspace over northern Europe and eerily floating above Phoenix in the spring of 1997. Unlike the recent tic-tac ufos the pyramids, advanced models of the stealth B-2 bomber, contain (human) pilots.

    , @Alden
    @Desiderius

    Great post Protestants jews atheists communists and liberals make fun about “ how many angels can dance on the head of a pin”? That was the question, how small is small and can we find anything smaller, like protons and neutrons. Or the beginning of physics. Scholastic method now known as the scientific method.

    Although the scientific method was discarded for the blacketty, blacketty black feminazi method decades ago.

  55. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Gordo


    And no-one gets the anal probe anymore since cellphones with cameras became ubiquitous.
     
    I don't like to talk about it, because people will think I'm crazy(er), but I got that anal probe a few years back. However, I wasn't sure that it was really an alien that done it, though he claimed to be from a planet called "Proctology School". Really?! That doesn't sound like it's even in the Milky Way, much less our own star cluster. I call bull-shit.

    Oh, he used a different camera from his cell phone one... something about "can't stand to answer the phone anymore when I use it for work..." There is probably an app for it though - MySelfProcto?

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Jim Christian, @The Alarmist, @Old Prude

    However, I wasn’t sure that it was really an alien that done it, though he claimed to be from a planet called “Proctology School”.

    Are you sure you didn’t get them mixed up with Border Control at the airport in Shanghai or Beijing?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    Good point. I may be thinking of the time the Chinese performed a Kung Flu Testing Anal-ysis on me.

  56. I hope there’s enough chatter among the normies about a fake & ghey “alien visit”–of course, by a BAPOC who will no doubt be preaching the values of Diversity Inclusion and Equity, admonishing whitey for being so privileged and microaggressivey, and calling for a global government headed by them and their Earthling leadership team to combat such awful things as global cooling/warming/climate change and flu viruses–that it will deter any inclination our rulers might have to pull such a hoax.

    But people still watch CNN believing it to be news, so I don’t know how much common sense matters any more.

  57. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Gordo


    And no-one gets the anal probe anymore since cellphones with cameras became ubiquitous.
     
    I don't like to talk about it, because people will think I'm crazy(er), but I got that anal probe a few years back. However, I wasn't sure that it was really an alien that done it, though he claimed to be from a planet called "Proctology School". Really?! That doesn't sound like it's even in the Milky Way, much less our own star cluster. I call bull-shit.

    Oh, he used a different camera from his cell phone one... something about "can't stand to answer the phone anymore when I use it for work..." There is probably an app for it though - MySelfProcto?

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Jim Christian, @The Alarmist, @Old Prude

    I don’t like to talk about it, because people will think I’m crazy(er), but I got that anal probe a few years back. However, I wasn’t sure that it was really an alien that done it, though he claimed to be from a planet called “Proctology School”.

    Acchie! How are ya? Listen, be glad ya only got the camera-probe, in the old days, in order to map out what’s what, they used to send a sketch artist with crayons and a coloring book up there.

    I mean, ouch, right?

  58. I would rather discuss doctors not washing their hands. Back in the 1980’s a group of rascally sociology students at Tulane set up a hidden camera at a huge convention of surgeons in New Orleans inside the men’s bathroom and counted how many of the convention attendees washed their hands after handling their junk.

    < 50%

    Also Simmelweis didn't go nuts until after they kept him locked up in the psychiatric hospital for a couple years. He was perfectly fine when they decided they had to put him away.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Morton's toes

    Mort, well you know, my junk is clean and it is my hands that are dirty, so should I wash my hands first before dragging it out or rinse off Mr. Happy at the sink in the Mens Room when I am done peeing? Your call. Stay safe.

  59. @Gordo
    So they can travel faster than light, or from nearby constellations for many years at near light, and then faf around like this. Unlikely.

    And no-one gets the anal probe anymore since cellphones with cameras became ubiquitous.

    So I'm guessing some natural phenomena and some military stuff.

    Anecdote; in a remote part of the world I once saw something that was very UFOish, I shouldn't have seen it as we were not quite where we should have been. But I knew what it was and it didn't come from another planet. I'm sure others here could tell similar necessarily vague stories.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Jonathan Mason, @Corn

    I was once on a night flight over Greece in a window seat, and I thought I was looking out at the Corinth canal, and could see some tiny flashing lights which I took to be lighthouses.

    But eventually I realized that I was looking at the wing of the aircraft and the navigation lights.

    People just make mistakes, especially when they are tired.

    People also lie and make things up.

    “Why are you an hour late coming home, honey?”

    “You’re not going to believe this… I was kidnapped by aliens who took me into their spaceship…”

    “Oh, okay then. I thought for a moment that you were with another woman.”

  60. @Ahem
    The current scientific doctrine concerning gravity is that gravity is a "pull" force. In this scenario, the presence of a quantity of mass, including normal (or baryonic) matter, plus Dark Matter, warps spacetime and causes surrounding matter to be attracted to these masses.

    If alien spacecraft are flitting around Sol and other stars in the galaxy, then it would be necessary to regard gravity as a repulsive, not an attractive force, with repulsive gravitational waves emitted by this mystery particle.

    The equations of relativity would work just as well, but it would upset the existing scientific paradigm.

    This is unacceptable.

    Scientists must continue to maintain that gravity is an "attractive" rather than a "repulsive" force.

    Therefore, alien spacecraft have no need to be factored into any scientific speculations.

    Conclusion: Alien spacecraft do not exist.

    Replies: @El Dato

    Seriously, that makes only sense to the pseudo-scientific dilettante who sees conspiracies by the “community” everywhere where his understanding is sadly lacking.

    Gravity is not even regarded as a “force” and if you come by any “special materials” that generate repulsive gravity, a Nobel Prize will be branded into your ass cheek pretty much immediately.

    It’s the same tune with the bullshit “reactionless drives” that appear every 10 year or so. After a breathless article in NewScientist, the inventor then cries conspiracy while promising PhD students waste their time trying to detect any force whatsoever distinguishable from measurement noise.

    • Replies: @Ahem
    @El Dato

    Any trappable particle - or "special materials" to use your term - that repels normal matter would fly into space at a rapid rate of knots.

    So, should such a particle exist, it cannot be found anywhere on Earth.

  61. @Gordo
    So they can travel faster than light, or from nearby constellations for many years at near light, and then faf around like this. Unlikely.

    And no-one gets the anal probe anymore since cellphones with cameras became ubiquitous.

    So I'm guessing some natural phenomena and some military stuff.

    Anecdote; in a remote part of the world I once saw something that was very UFOish, I shouldn't have seen it as we were not quite where we should have been. But I knew what it was and it didn't come from another planet. I'm sure others here could tell similar necessarily vague stories.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Jonathan Mason, @Corn

    And no-one gets the anal probe anymore since cellphones with cameras became ubiquitous.

    Funny how aliens and Bigfoot disappeared right about the time camera phones and trail cams became common place.

  62. @i hope i'm right
    At this point there is only witness testimony. All the declassified videos we've seen have already been more or less debunked (infrared flares, distant planes, parallax, electro-optical artifacts, gimbals). People like Harry Reid and John Brennan are not particularly smart when it comes to STEM. I do not know what to make of pilots' first hand accounts.

    Replies: @Yawrate, @Eric Novak

    Follow this link to see how UFOs can be nothing more than perceptual misinterpretations.

    https://www.metabunk.org/home/

    • Thanks: jamie b.
  63. Electrical discharges, “sprites” in this case, as an explanation of the UFO phenomenon works for me. It’s as good as any other explanation that has been put forth, even though it is a mere proposal. By the by, I assume we have ruled out the Things That Go Bump In The Night variety, right?

    In any case, the bottom line is–we still just…don’t…know.

    Two questions though: 1.) Why was there an uptick in this UFO stuff starting after WWII? And (2.), is there a connection with (1.) and the fact that so many of these sightings have been at/near either military facilities or nuclear power plants?

    Fermi, in his famous Paradox, asked “where are they?” Indeed.

  64. When I was in the 8th grade, my teacher winged me with a piece of chalk — even though I was in the back row — because he caught me reading “Flying Saucers, Serious Business”. A few years later, my high school history teacher took some of us to visit the John Brown Museum in Providence, because according to “Stranger Than Science,” by the same author as the other book, there was a tree root kept in the museum that had taken the form of the man buried beneath the tree (or something like that). So the museum showed us the root, which looked to all of us like any other old stick. Ergo, I don’t believe in UFOs.

  65. Limited hangout, for the usual manipulative purposes. Who trusts anything these people say anymore?

    Wake me when they release video of ET giving John Brennan an anal probe.

  66. Isn’t it fascinating that when UFOs paid us visits in the 1970s, they asked, “Take me to your Sailers”?

    [MORE]

  67. In the early 1980s my wife and I were taking an afternoon stroll on a clear and cloudless day on a public footpath outside of Stuttgart, Germany when a silver colored, cigar shaped object flew into our line of sight and hovered long enough for us to discuss what it might be. Since the object was in the proximity of the Stuttgart Airport landing pattern we assumed it was some experimental aircraft. It had no markings or windows or wings. Suddenly it accelerated toward the heavens until it vanished as a dot in the sky. It made no noise and there was no vapor trail. We checked the local news upon returning home and there was no mention of it. So much for being picked up by radar.

    Naturally, like pilots with similar sightings, we did not rush to dine out on the experience and shared the story with very few over the years.

    Your guess is as good as mine as to what it was, what it was up to, and why. What it definitely was not was a jointly shared hallucination.

    • Replies: @Old Prude
    @Jaybird

    " the object was in the proximity of the Stuttgart Airport landing pattern".

    Near the Stuttgart airport is a plaque commemorating the flight of Graf Zeppelin's first dirigible, which happened there in Echterdingen. Perhaps what you saw was the good count coming back from the sixth dimension to show-off his latest contraption.

  68. @Anonymous
    LOL, Steve. Pondering every possible explanation except for the most likely: it's US anti-gravitational technology they're slowly releasing to the public as a warning line to Russia and China, who haven't progressed beyond primitive propellant based rockets.

    http://www.nuforc.org/webreports/011/S11869.html

    Encountered large triangular object while night fishing off Farlon Island and fired 100 rounds of 22 ammo at it.

    On the evening of Super Bowl Sunday, I was hauling up a line of crab traps off Farlon Island with my dog aboard our 25' boat. While leaning over the side, my dog started to bark furiously. I looked up and saw a huge triangular object hovering above with NO sound. I was hit by a beam of white light and fell backward onto the sole of the cabin. I grabbed my Ruger 10-22 rifle loaded with a 100 round banana magazine and stared firing as fast as I could until the clif was empty. I was able to shoot out the light. While grabbing for a second clip, I saw a hatch open up on the bottom side of the object and two people leaned down to yell "STOP SHOOTING AS US YOU IDIOT". The only other noise I heard was a hissing sound like air escapeing from a flat tire or something. As the object move off to the south, I saw a helocopter come out off the top and move in next to my boat about 20' off the water and 50' way. Someone in the side door held up a camera and flash off a picture of me in the boat holding the rifle. The helocopter made no noise and had no markings on it. It was solid flat black as was the huge Triangle. The chopper then took off toward the Golden Gate bridge climbing up. The Triangle slowing gained altitude and was last seen heading south. I left the area for port and went out Wednesday to finish hauling in my traps. At first I thought it was an alien UFO and was genunly startled by it. However, I now believe it was an experimental military platform for transporting a small fleet of black helocopters that leave and enter out of the top of a huge silent floating triangle the size of a football field. A rigid airship if you will.

    ((NUFORC Note: This may be the first report we have received that has the occupants of such a craft using a camera with a flash attachment..))
     

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @kaganovitch, @James Forrestal

    “it’s US anti-gravitational technology”

    The “tic-tac” ufos swarming USN ships off San Diego share a lineage with the Nazi foo-fighter spheres that buzzed American aircraft over Europe during WW II. Both aerial objects are/were pilotless.

  69. @Steve Sailer
    @El Dato

    Stanislaw Lem is pretty great.

    Replies: @alaska3636, @Known Fact, @Bardon Kaldian

    I just finished Tales of Pirx the Pilot by Lem. The quality of the prose is excellent for something that was translated.

  70. William Briggs gives the new aliens a good deboonking, complete with video where some enterprising individuals have recreated the latest batch of UFOs, thus proving them merely optical illusions.

    It’s worth mentioning that UFOs ≠ aliens, so the Pentagon can plausibly claim that UFOs exist without actually claiming that aliens do. Everyone will assume the latter; but if a pilot sees a weather balloon but is unable to conclusively identify it as such, for instance, then that’s a UFO. Big deal.

    As for why this is getting trotted out now, I assume it’s just another distraction: aliens! race riots! flat earth! war! Anything to stop people noticing that the government bungled the pandemic and the economy is a smoking crater, and other things of that nature. That it’s aliens in particular tells us they’re scraping the bottom of the barrel.

    But maybe it’s simpler: maybe someone, somehow, is going to make money off of this. (Increased tourism to Nevada, maybe? Is a Nevada senator behind the push?) Or maybe it’s even simpler, like when various Harvard goofballs were given millions of dollars in the 50’s under the aegis of being spies and fighting commies, and they spent the money on funding artists and the like: maybe someone in the new administration finds aliens very interesting and is indulging himself.

    • Replies: @jamie b.
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account


    ...Briggs gives the new aliens a good deboonking...
     
    Odd, I thought that Briggs was a believer...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIG5A9IRg50
  71. @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/swshipman/status/1396809514385563650?s=20

    https://twitter.com/FamedCelebrity/status/1397675102242705409?s=20

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Alden

    “fake and gay”

    The pyramid-shaped craft began popping up in the skies in the 1990s: in NATO-controlled airspace over northern Europe and eerily floating above Phoenix in the spring of 1997. Unlike the recent tic-tac ufos the pyramids, advanced models of the stealth B-2 bomber, contain (human) pilots.

  72. UFOs are two things.
    1. One thing is pilots traveling at a high rate of speed in changing light conditions seeing things that can’t be pinned down because of rapidly changing light and speed inputs. Nothing that can be reliably quantified is ever observed or collected or photographed. Ever.
    2. The second thing is people having spiritual hallucinations after having plugged themselves into the new secular religion of science; science being the new redeemer. Saucer People are the new Olympian Gods who will save us from ourselves (along with, incongruently, Negros). These hallucinators would have seen saints and flaming chariots in the sky in earlier times. Nothing that can be reliably quantified is ever observed or collected or photographed. Ever.
    The current UFO sightings by our “government” are just to set up the preconditions for another manufactured crisis like COVID so that the “government” will have a problem to solve by imposing ever more draconian forms of Leftist tyranny by the (((deep state))).
    One reason the new “government” UFO hysteria will be effective is because belief in UFOs and morally-superior Saucer People fits right in with the materialistic, anti-Christian, satanic narrative that has been shoved down our throats for the past 75 years. The (((deep state))) is pandering to its natural constituency with this new UFO garbage.

  73. Zeus and his cronies are rising from their centuries-long slumber. Zeus, wielder of the thunderbolt–in today’s jargon, plasma–is giving us advanced warning that he and his crew are back and mean to do something about the current state of affairs among men. This happens only at rare intervals in human times and that fact accounts for the debates which occurred even in the time of the Trojan War when Zeus spoke of how humans blame all their troubles upon Fate, or the actions of the Olympian Gods and Goddesses. Zeus insists that the Gods are not to blame, yet they do intervene and definitely favor some one individual over another. This sometimes favoring and sometimes ignoring human affairs is what gives the debate such fervor, as operant conditioning has found that an entirely random, intermittent system of reward and punishment is the most effective at eliciting response in the lab subject.

    Aristotle was aware of the existence of transcendent luminous happenings in the upper atmosphere as well. What Plato took to be the Divine Form of things and concepts, rotating in a clear luminous sphere high above the corrupting effect of base materiality, Aristotle postulated as existence of the realm of Final Causes–that towards which each and everything strives to become. There’s something out there which in some sense draws all things to their completion. We all intuit the truth of this. Some of those whom we knew in high school meet a doom which had to us, even then, seemed their just end while others went on to great things, for which they too, seem fated by destiny. Each thing then aspires to embody that which is its essence and that essence seems to have been conferred upon we mortals by a more powerful race of beings, of which these luminous phantoms seem to be a shadow.

    The Olympians influence human affairs also finds testimony in John Calvin’s notion of predestination. It’s a bit of a confused affair in which, while you, as a mere mortal, can do nothing to earn Salvation, since that would imply that you somehow gave God something which would indicate that in some manner He lacked something and that, because He is omniscient and omnipotent is clearly impossible and a blasphemy; the facts on the ground indicate that some of us ARE more favored than others and this clearly is God’s Plan so therefore in some sense PREDESTINED. And how do we know who is the recipient of this GRACE? Why, because they are WELL TO DO. And how do we know this? Well, because their lawns are neatly mowed and their cars are shiny from their recent wash and wax!

    So there is evidence that humans have been dimly aware of these Transient Luminous Events for quite some time, from earliest recorded history down to present days. Of late, skepticism has taken the field as, since roughly the writings of John Locke, intellectuals have demanded empirical proof of a thing’s existence and this has meant reproducibility on demand, a thing which the Gods just don’t condescend to do upon the request of a puny human.

    So, Zeus is unlimbering his thunderbolt from its quiver. The Middle East blasphemers will be smitten. The Great Indo-European pantheon of Gods and Goddesses shall be restored. The signs are everywhere and easily evident for those who have eyes to see.

    • Thanks: New Dealer
    • Replies: @peterike
    @ThreeCranes


    The Great Indo-European pantheon of Gods and Goddesses shall be restored. The signs are everywhere and easily evident for those who have eyes to see.
     
    So maybe it's worth while to, I dunno, sacrifice a goat to Zeus? I mean, can't hurt. Except for the goat.
  74. @Arclight
    I have a hard time believing alien civilizations that have the technology to travel vast distances across the galaxy lack the ability to remain undetected by those that don't.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Stan D Mute

    “vast distances”

    Non-human intelligences undoubtedly exist but if they visit Earth it won’t be in a physical vessel. To cover vast distances in space requires folding time. Any alien presence on Earth is likely in the psychic realm; and if they assume shape it would be spectral.

    • Replies: @jamie b.
    @SunBakedSuburb

    Must be fun to just make up meaningless baloney out of thin air, without worrying about things like evidence or logic.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    , @Morton's toes
    @SunBakedSuburb

    In the words of Rob Reiner's mom I'll have what sunbaked is having.

  75. @Regret
    Probably not Aliens. That'd be too damn weird. They can cross interstellar distance with ships that pull physics defying stunts and use them to come dick around in our atmosphere? To what end?

    Probably not the Russians or Chinese. If they had toys like that, they'd be playing with them and not all sneaky like.

    Seems too confused to be disinformation.

    Can't hack the mk1 eyeball yet.

    I'll lay my guess on "unrecognized natural phenomena". Seems like the best bet of a sorry bunch.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @johnmark7

    Probably not Aliens. That’d be too damn weird. They can cross interstellar distance with ships that pull physics defying stunts and use them to come dick around in our atmosphere? To what end?

    Maybe they just haven’t mastered the art of landing on terra firma yet.

    • Thanks: AKAHorace
    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    @silviosilver

    Maybe they don't want to.
    It could violate the Prime Directive.


    Or maybe they think H.G. Well was right, and they want to avoid our diseases.

    COVID saves the world!

  76. A lot of the earlier commenters have covered this, and even JohnPlywood’s anon account has a piece of it, but I’ll just add:

    Yes, aliens are real. In general, they don’t come around here because they are 1. Too advanced for traditional conquest & colonialism (even the neo kind), and likely have rules and enforcement mechanisms in place to prevent that, despite their highly spiritually evolved nature, and 2. Earth is very remote.

    Still, some aliens do come around, and some are nefarious abducters, others fairly friendly and helpful, and some (the greys) may very well be a race seeking to genetically manipulate humanity to their own benefit. Theories on that one abound.

    Anyhow, triangular saucers are most likely American copies using anti-grav technology. Other kinds are genuine UFOs, either coming from inside the earth or outside. Pinegap in Australia is an interesting US base with a rumored plasma cannon of all things, shooting at one.

    As to why this news is finely going mainstream with government support, it’s most likely because the government wants a new permanent enemy that can outlast Russian and Chinese myths, one that can be used as a “perfect” excuse for further power centralization and economic deprivation of the people. Finally, it allows them to roll out technologies in a controlled manner that otherwise people would be very pissed about having had withheld from them.

    Still, it’s not like it offers a military advantage. The moment a nation exposes an advanced form of technology, the moment other advanced nations produce their own. If the US attacks with a flying saucer, one can expect Russia to move past the hobbled state of current physics in a week and have a working fleet of them.

    Will nations outlive free energy gravity motors is a different question.

  77. @RichardTaylor
    It's nice of these UFOs to be lit up like Christmas trees. Maybe they traveled across the galaxy to learn about our stealth technology? Or even the concept of, you know, turning your lights off. Pretty sure we mastered that concept before WWII.

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-SGmdlDb_NXo/UPIr9Rx1N-I/AAAAAAAAAE8/zP7YMFEDUW8/s1600/ufo%2Bphoenix.jpg

    Replies: @JMcG, @guest007, @El Dato

    These things are not unheard of. Let’s take a look at the reservoir of lore that is Wikipedia:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lubbock_Lights

    The Lubbock Lights were an unusual formation of lights seen over the city of Lubbock, Texas in August and September 1951. The Lubbock Lights incident received national publicity in the United States as a UFO sighting, and was investigated by the U.S. Air Force. The Air Force ultimately concluded that the lights were “positively identified as a very commonplace and easily explainable natural phenomenon”.

    Still the best I guess:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1952_Washington,_D.C._UFO_incident

    The 1952 Washington, D.C. UFO incident, also known as the Washington flap, the Washington National Airport Sightings, or the Invasion of Washington,[1] was a series of unidentified flying object reports from July 12 to July 29, 1952, over Washington, D.C. The most publicized sightings took place on consecutive weekends, July 19–20 and July 26–27. UFO historian Curtis Peebles called the incident “the climax of the 1952 (UFO) flap” – “Never before or after did Project Blue Book and the Air Force undergo such a tidal wave of (UFO) reports

    I don’t think there is any solid evidence what actually happened, if anything happened.

  78. In the NYT’s comments, various people come up with plausible suggestions, such as that Berglas has 52 decks secreted around the room in groups of three, each deck sequenced in a different order. For example, the drawer to which he directs the interviewer might contain three decks in which the seven of diamonds might be the 43rd, 44th, or 45th cards. So, allowing the mark to choose one, at worst he could be off by two.

    It would be an impressive feat of memory to recall the numbered order of all 52 cards within 2 spots (e.g. drawer x has card y in spots 42-44), but even though it’s possible I think it’s somewhat implausible for another reason, how many “hiding spots” that he “hadn’t touched in years” could he possibly have that wouldn’t guve the game away in that room? He would need at least 17 (with one group of 4), maybe he had a huge dresser with plenty of space there, but if not then making the reporter dig under the couch or something for a deck might have sent up some red flags. The way the anecdote was described it also seemed like it was a single drawer very near where he was sitting (a side table), so if this huge cabinet existed he was lucky enough for the card/number to land on one of the less suspicious hiding spots.

    • Replies: @Morton's toes
    @Athletic and Whitesplosive

    That cheat appears to have bogus combinatorics.

    52 possible cards * 52 possible places in the deck means you have 2704 possible random spots. You don't need 52 decks. You need 2700 decks. The only way you can do 52 is if the decks are not shuffled and lined up ace clubs -> king spades in sequence and then just cut.

    I don't think that is how he did the trick.

  79. @anonymous
    The UFO sightings are deflections of new military weaponry being tested. Same as in the 50s.

    Replies: @enochian, @Paleo Liberal, @JimDandy

    This is exactly what I used to think, until very recently.

    Now I really don’t know.

    My training is in science, so I am quite willing to change my opinions when new evidence comes forwards, and to reserve judgment when the evidence isn’t clear.

    • Agree: Prester John
  80. @silviosilver
    @Regret


    Probably not Aliens. That’d be too damn weird. They can cross interstellar distance with ships that pull physics defying stunts and use them to come dick around in our atmosphere? To what end?
     
    Maybe they just haven't mastered the art of landing on terra firma yet.

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal

    Maybe they don’t want to.
    It could violate the Prime Directive.

    Or maybe they think H.G. Well was right, and they want to avoid our diseases.

    COVID saves the world!

  81. I wouldn’t pooh-pooh the pilots. Pilots see light phenomena that they can’t identify, and no one else can identify either. Record these phenomena or take affidavits from eyewitnesses. Compare, contrast, classify . . . Theorize? I don’t know about that, yet. But do record it.

    Charles Fort might say that dismissing these phenomena would be mendacious, but attempting to explain them in rational terms would also be mendacious. Science, religion, and common sense are all mendacious. Something is messing with us. “I think that we’re fished for.” If you’ve never heard of Charles Fort or the term Fortean, he’s work a look. Quite a hoot . . . or quite an eye-opener? You be the judge.

  82. @Anonymous
    LOL, Steve. Pondering every possible explanation except for the most likely: it's US anti-gravitational technology they're slowly releasing to the public as a warning line to Russia and China, who haven't progressed beyond primitive propellant based rockets.

    http://www.nuforc.org/webreports/011/S11869.html

    Encountered large triangular object while night fishing off Farlon Island and fired 100 rounds of 22 ammo at it.

    On the evening of Super Bowl Sunday, I was hauling up a line of crab traps off Farlon Island with my dog aboard our 25' boat. While leaning over the side, my dog started to bark furiously. I looked up and saw a huge triangular object hovering above with NO sound. I was hit by a beam of white light and fell backward onto the sole of the cabin. I grabbed my Ruger 10-22 rifle loaded with a 100 round banana magazine and stared firing as fast as I could until the clif was empty. I was able to shoot out the light. While grabbing for a second clip, I saw a hatch open up on the bottom side of the object and two people leaned down to yell "STOP SHOOTING AS US YOU IDIOT". The only other noise I heard was a hissing sound like air escapeing from a flat tire or something. As the object move off to the south, I saw a helocopter come out off the top and move in next to my boat about 20' off the water and 50' way. Someone in the side door held up a camera and flash off a picture of me in the boat holding the rifle. The helocopter made no noise and had no markings on it. It was solid flat black as was the huge Triangle. The chopper then took off toward the Golden Gate bridge climbing up. The Triangle slowing gained altitude and was last seen heading south. I left the area for port and went out Wednesday to finish hauling in my traps. At first I thought it was an alien UFO and was genunly startled by it. However, I now believe it was an experimental military platform for transporting a small fleet of black helocopters that leave and enter out of the top of a huge silent floating triangle the size of a football field. A rigid airship if you will.

    ((NUFORC Note: This may be the first report we have received that has the occupants of such a craft using a camera with a flash attachment..))
     

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @kaganovitch, @James Forrestal

    I grabbed my Ruger 10-22 rifle loaded with a 100 round banana magazine and stared firing as fast as I could until the clif was empty

    Not to be autistic or anything, but I don’t think the 100 round mags for the 10/22 are banana. I think they are only drum magazines.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @kaganovitch

    He likes his mags like he likes his *bleep* ... long and black.

    Replies: @vhrm

  83. Several famous UFO sightings:

    1969 — a group of people in Georgia, including Jimmy Carter, saw a UFO at a Lions Club.

    1974 — August 23, 9:00 PM. John Lennon sees a UFO flying over NYC. Considering the drugs the guy took in those days, some were a little skeptical. He was with May Pang at the time. Ms. Pang says he went inside to bring her out, and she saw it as well.

    A few days ago my wife called me outside because of something very strange in the sky.
    A string of lights moving across the sky.
    A little while later, we saw more.
    I was able to figure out what it was.

    I’ll leave that as an exercise for the reader. HINT: Elon Musk

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Paleo Liberal

    Jimmy Carter also had to deal with a monster rabbit that jumped into his Jon boat. A guy like that will waste a lot of Mulder's and Scully's time and taxpayers' money.

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal

  84. Peace scientists.

  85. @Steve Sailer
    @El Dato

    Stanislaw Lem is pretty great.

    Replies: @alaska3636, @Known Fact, @Bardon Kaldian

    Solaris is the most compelling sci-fi novel I’ve ever read (three or four times now). And don’t miss his Fiasco either (or Malzberg’s Beyond Apollo).

  86. It’s the latest BS psyop. Why are the videos so blurry in this day and age? Where are the cell phone videos? 100% garbage.

  87. Thunderfoot (Philip E. Mason) does a pretty good job of debunking these latest UFO sightings…

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=thunderf00t+ufo

  88. Well, digging into the TV trivia trove we have the notable Outer Limits where well-meaning scientists fake an alien visitation — just Robert Culp, actually, the budget was pretty sparse — in the hope of bringing humanity together to face a common threat.

    10 years before X-Files by the way there was a short-lived fictional series called Project UFO, produced by Jack Webb in his flat Dragnet style. Every week two military guys would investigate some alleged sighting; one was utterly by-the-book and disdainful but his partner was a little more open-minded. They were never able to prove or disprove anything so it was frustrating, but there was an oddly poignant edge to it all.

    There’s also the memorably weird Mission Impossible where Phelps and crew pose as white-suited alien visitors to scam a corrupt media mogul obsessed with UFOs.

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    @Known Fact

    https://images.app.goo.gl/fpLVyzL3atvfpPK77

    Replies: @Known Fact

  89. @Barack Obama's secret Unz account
    William Briggs gives the new aliens a good deboonking, complete with video where some enterprising individuals have recreated the latest batch of UFOs, thus proving them merely optical illusions.

    It's worth mentioning that UFOs ≠ aliens, so the Pentagon can plausibly claim that UFOs exist without actually claiming that aliens do. Everyone will assume the latter; but if a pilot sees a weather balloon but is unable to conclusively identify it as such, for instance, then that's a UFO. Big deal.

    As for why this is getting trotted out now, I assume it's just another distraction: aliens! race riots! flat earth! war! Anything to stop people noticing that the government bungled the pandemic and the economy is a smoking crater, and other things of that nature. That it's aliens in particular tells us they're scraping the bottom of the barrel.

    But maybe it's simpler: maybe someone, somehow, is going to make money off of this. (Increased tourism to Nevada, maybe? Is a Nevada senator behind the push?) Or maybe it's even simpler, like when various Harvard goofballs were given millions of dollars in the 50's under the aegis of being spies and fighting commies, and they spent the money on funding artists and the like: maybe someone in the new administration finds aliens very interesting and is indulging himself.

    Replies: @jamie b.

    …Briggs gives the new aliens a good deboonking…

    Odd, I thought that Briggs was a believer…

  90. @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Achmed E. Newman


    However, I wasn’t sure that it was really an alien that done it, though he claimed to be from a planet called “Proctology School”.
     
    Are you sure you didn't get them mixed up with Border Control at the airport in Shanghai or Beijing?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Good point. I may be thinking of the time the Chinese performed a Kung Flu Testing Anal-ysis on me.

  91. @SunBakedSuburb
    @Arclight

    "vast distances"

    Non-human intelligences undoubtedly exist but if they visit Earth it won't be in a physical vessel. To cover vast distances in space requires folding time. Any alien presence on Earth is likely in the psychic realm; and if they assume shape it would be spectral.

    Replies: @jamie b., @Morton's toes

    Must be fun to just make up meaningless baloney out of thin air, without worrying about things like evidence or logic.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @jamie b.

    "Must be fun to just make up meaningless baloney"

    Yes, it is fun. And sometimes it pays well.

  92. @Paleo Liberal
    Several famous UFO sightings:

    1969 -- a group of people in Georgia, including Jimmy Carter, saw a UFO at a Lions Club.

    1974 -- August 23, 9:00 PM. John Lennon sees a UFO flying over NYC. Considering the drugs the guy took in those days, some were a little skeptical. He was with May Pang at the time. Ms. Pang says he went inside to bring her out, and she saw it as well.



    A few days ago my wife called me outside because of something very strange in the sky.
    A string of lights moving across the sky.
    A little while later, we saw more.
    I was able to figure out what it was.

    I'll leave that as an exercise for the reader. HINT: Elon Musk

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Jimmy Carter also had to deal with a monster rabbit that jumped into his Jon boat. A guy like that will waste a lot of Mulder’s and Scully’s time and taxpayers’ money.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Carter has had an interesting life, that's for sure.

    I was born in the waning years of the Eisenhower administration.

    My opinion -- The most underrated Democrat and Republican presidents respectively were Carter and Ford. In effect, the economy was on the brink of ruin from a combination of LBJ's guns and butter, esp. the Vietnam War, and the oil embargoes from OPEC, which could be as much or more Nixon's fault as Ford and Carter's. Ford and Carter essentially patched the economy up with duct tape, and were blamed for their circumstances. Carter oversaw the greatest job creation up to that time, and also appointed Volker to the Fed to clean up the large inflation. Some claim that Volker did a lot more than Reagan to clean up the economy. I don't know. In effect, Ford and Carter were average presidents who served in difficult times. Neither started a war.

    The most overrated D and R? Kennedy and Reagan. Let's face it, their fans, including much of the media, were in love with these guys. Their supporters acted like they walked on water. In reality, they were above average presidents who were extremely charismatic, and thus their fans put them in the Pantheon.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  93. UFOs are yet another hoax, along with Covid19 and the ultra-fraudulent 2020 election. Most White men are imbeciles and cowards, so when the space munsters lecture us about racism and global climate crisis emergency and order White men to self-deliver, 98% of White men will dutifully beg forgiveness and kill themselves, just as they slavishly strapped diapers to their faces over the past 15 months.

    • Replies: @Dissident
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen


    UFOs are yet another hoax, along with Covid19 and the ultra-fraudulent 2020 election.
     
    I'm pretty sure that people who believe that Covid is a hoax, and that the 2020 election was "ultra-fraudulent" are a lot more likely to believe in UFOs than people who accept reality concerning the first two.

    (Said realities being (a) that Covid, while unquestionably politicized by all sides and exaggerated by some, nonetheless was and remains quite real, and (b) that while there was almost certainly some amount of voter fraud, as there is in just about every election, there is no credible basis for the claim that voter fraud determined the results of the 2020 Presidential election.)

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @dimples

  94. Space aliens have been studying the Earth for awhile now.
    They are probably attracted by our transmissions that beam into outer space.
    The Government has always denied their existence.

    I suspect the denials are due to them not having any idea what these aliens want.
    The aliens are probably just astronauts from an advanced civilization.
    I doubt they would trust the government enough to make any deals.

    I don’t trust any terrestrial governments and I doubt aliens would either.
    They are probably a step above mankind with IQs in the 130 to 140 median.
    The abductions are not unlike what we do to animals ourselves.

    They scoop them up, give them a physical examination and then somehow tag them.
    That rectal probe is probably just taking a stool sample.
    I’m sure the ignorance of the government is causing a panic.

    The globalists deny God because they do not want to acknowledge a higher power.
    Higher than the government. However these aliens are a higher power.
    What would happen if they landed, made contact and revealed themselves?

    I imagine the entire world paradigm would be destroyed.
    They might reveal that they believe in God.
    They might debunk cherished myths like “evolution”.

    They could demolish all the dogmas of science with superior facts.
    They might wipe out certain governments that they find unfriendly.
    The aliens have superior science and technology.

    The treatment of people by them indicates they find us primitive.
    They treat abductees like animals, dangerous animals.
    You may not like how superior they are to you.

  95. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Gordo


    And no-one gets the anal probe anymore since cellphones with cameras became ubiquitous.
     
    I don't like to talk about it, because people will think I'm crazy(er), but I got that anal probe a few years back. However, I wasn't sure that it was really an alien that done it, though he claimed to be from a planet called "Proctology School". Really?! That doesn't sound like it's even in the Milky Way, much less our own star cluster. I call bull-shit.

    Oh, he used a different camera from his cell phone one... something about "can't stand to answer the phone anymore when I use it for work..." There is probably an app for it though - MySelfProcto?

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Jim Christian, @The Alarmist, @Old Prude

    Geez Louise … I have an endoscope that works with my mobile … what planet is your guy from?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @The Alarmist

    I never found that out for sure, but after an interruption to take a phone call from his stockbroker, he said "I gotta get back to Uranus." or something.

  96. @anonymous
    The UFO sightings are deflections of new military weaponry being tested. Same as in the 50s.

    Replies: @enochian, @Paleo Liberal, @JimDandy

    Yeah, please add “Israeli super-magneto-drone tech” to this list, Steve:

    Aliens? Hoax? Chinese? Russians? Not yet recognized natural phenomenon like sprites? Disinformation? Randomness? Hackers? Or what else?

  97. @kaganovitch
    @Anonymous

    I grabbed my Ruger 10-22 rifle loaded with a 100 round banana magazine and stared firing as fast as I could until the clif was empty

    Not to be autistic or anything, but I don't think the 100 round mags for the 10/22 are banana. I think they are only drum magazines.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    He likes his mags like he likes his *bleep* … long and black.

    • Replies: @vhrm
    @The Alarmist

    That's fine, the report IS from San Francisco after all, but beyond a certain length you start getting performance problems; not to mention that it's just awkward to carry around and maneuver.

  98. They’ve sized up our output from the last few years and decided we’re beyond hope.

    Come back to sterilize the infection, to make sure wokeness can’t infect them.

  99. The evidence appears to rule out hallucinations, mirages, mass government conspiracy etc.

    We have unidentified phenomena that:

    1. Can defy our current understanding or at least application of physics;

    2. Evidenced by multiple, credible witness accounts corroborated by radar and infrared data;

    3. Behave in a way that is purposeful, not random, and inconsistent with any natural phenomena.

    If it’s the Chinese or Russians, we’d all be speaking Chinese or Russian by now. If it was a mass government conspiracy involving tens of thousands of people and trained actors all working in perfect concert to deceive everyone including their closest friends and family, then you need to do some research on autism. It’s not an artifact or seabirds, because the radar and infrared data handily disprove that. 4 people in 2 separate Super Hornets saw the same thing, corroborated by radar data, which is also consistent with many other sightings (some also backed by radar data) over many decades.

    It may not be aliens, but it is definitely revealing something about the universe that we do not understand. It’s amazing how many people just want to intellectually bury their head in the sand. It’s like a child that covers his eyes when he sees something that scares him.

    Based on what we know about the universe, aliens is actually the most likely explanation. But these UFOs have also shown us that we don’t know much about the universe.

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian
    • LOL: Jonathan Mason
  100. @Known Fact
    Well, digging into the TV trivia trove we have the notable Outer Limits where well-meaning scientists fake an alien visitation -- just Robert Culp, actually, the budget was pretty sparse -- in the hope of bringing humanity together to face a common threat.

    10 years before X-Files by the way there was a short-lived fictional series called Project UFO, produced by Jack Webb in his flat Dragnet style. Every week two military guys would investigate some alleged sighting; one was utterly by-the-book and disdainful but his partner was a little more open-minded. They were never able to prove or disprove anything so it was frustrating, but there was an oddly poignant edge to it all.

    There's also the memorably weird Mission Impossible where Phelps and crew pose as white-suited alien visitors to scam a corrupt media mogul obsessed with UFOs.

    Replies: @Known Fact

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    @Known Fact

    Oops, I meant to point out FYI that the all-white outfit is a telltale sign you're dealing with extraterrestrial visitors

    Replies: @Lockean Proviso

  101. Here’s a plausible-sounding explanation of the Berglas Effect:

    He has memorized the order of the deck. There are ways to organize a deck in a way that will appear random to the eye but is actuality they are in an easy to recall sequence. He then takes 2 random audience members who are legitimately not connected and not in on it.
    He has the first participant call out a random card. He knows which spot that card is in the deck because he has the order of all 52 cards memorized.
    Now lets say the person says “Jack of Hearts” and he knows that is in card spot “9” in the deck.
    Now he has the second audience member say a number. Now he knows he just has to find a way to connect the second audience members number with the actual number “9” spot.
    If they say 45,18, 36, 27 he can say add the digits to get “9”
    If they say 44 he can have them flip the deck and count from the bottom.
    If they say 10 he can tell them to throw the top card away and then start counting.
    If they say 19, 28, 37, 46, he can combine the digits and then be “off” by one when they get to the 10th card.
    There is also a rare chance when they actually pick the correct number and in that case he looks even better. This is his best case scenario but he is prepared for ALL scenarios.
    Just with these examples, I can make the trick “work” with the random audience member picking 11 different numbers.
    He is infinitely better and can find ways to get to any location in the deck with any number given. This is why the trick is never the same each time and he has to improvise on his feet at all times. The skill in the trick is the story he weaves to get to the number. It is impressive feat of mental gymnastics, but not anything magical or unresolved. The actual techique is just adding or subtracting to get to the spot he needs.

    • Thanks: Joseph Doaks
    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @prosa123

    That sounds very plausible, and of course sleight of hand magicians are very capable of appearing to shuffle a deck of cards without actually changing the order.

    One might also consider that he might be using a custom deck of cards, for example one in which each card represents two different cards according to which way up you hold it, if you hide the bottom half of the card.

    When I was a child I had a trick set of cards, in which every other card was the ten of spades, and the ten of spades cards were slightly larger than the other cards, so that you could always cut the deck to the ten of spades.

    That way you could have a member of the public, or your family, cut the deck and the card showing would always be the ten of spades. Then you could take that card, place it in an envelope and burn it, and then miraculously recover it using one of the other 25 ten of spades in the deck without ever seeing the card that was chosen by the audience member.

    I imagine there are infinite ways in which professional magicians can manufacture their own equipment in ways that mislead the audience.

    Perhaps indeed he has 52 decks, one for each card, and each deck consists of 52 identical cards, but he has great facility in retrieving and switching decks. Or maybe 4 decks, one for each suit, that contain 4 sets of 13 cards, so that gives him four ways to find the right color from the given number.

    , @Deadite
    @prosa123

    Went to the Redondo Beach Magic and Comedy club years ago. There was a surprise visit by Robin Williams. I saw him on the way out, and went over and said how much I had always enjoyed his comedy and that he had been brilliant that night (he had been!). I shook his hand, and he was not arrogant or proud at all. He was, in fact, very demure. A honestly nice seeming man.


    However! I did see a guy take a chicken out of his pants. I was watching him like a hawk, and still the chicken appeared like magic. Obviously a form of Satan related dark and twisted magic, taking a chicken out of your pants!

    I liked your explanation. I told it to my kids. Thanks!

  102. Maybe a circular metallic object shall land on my lawn, a funny looking figure shall emerge from a drop-down ladder, approach me and say “take me to your leader.” Until and unless that happens, I’ll remain an adamant skeptic on the issue of whether intelligent life from elsewhere in the universe has put our little orb under observation.

    Let’s start with how unlikely it is that such a process as life (let alone intelligent life) would be present on earth. Everything about this planet and its environs had to be just so. No moon, in just the right position and orbit at just the right times, and there’s no life here. No ozone layer, no life. Etc, Etc. So, intelligent life must be unimaginably rare.

    Well, life as we know it that is. Of course, science fiction writers have been imagining life other-than-as-we-know-it for some time now. The Black Cloud by Fred Hoyle is the first example that comes to my mind. But those who say “it’s aliens, I tell ya” are positing the existence of life kinda like we know it, whether they realize it or not. Remember, these purported aliens are the kind of beings who, just like us, ride around in aircraft, although vehicles that our pilots are describing in their reports are more technologically advanced than those Steve Sailer’s dad was designing.

    And now let’s think about how the laws of nature intrude on the question. They’re not “laws” in the sense that you can be fined or imprisoned for violating them. “Sorry, officer, my speedometer is broken. Was I really doing 187,00 miles per second?”

    So, how’d they get here? How’d they find us? They must have come from at least hundreds of light years away. So it took them hundreds of years to get here, at a minimum – that darned universal speed limit. As we’ve seen, the odds that they came from Proxima Centauri or some other nearby star are vanishingly small. When they set sail for here, we weren’t even emitting radio waves yet. Or were they just on patrol, and happened to be close by during Marconi’s prime?

    And why haven’t we been shown clear, indisputably video of them yet? Nothing but those fuzzy objects that we see on Tucker Carlson Tonight.

    Even if we don’t have the simpler explanation that Occam’s Razor requires, I suspect that this explanation will turn out to be more likely than space aliens.

    • Replies: @Guest29048
    @I, Libertine


    Maybe a circular metallic object shall land on my lawn, a funny looking figure shall emerge from a drop-down ladder, approach me and say “take me to your leader.”

     

    Or it could happen like this:

    Well, the news of the saucer been a-flyin' around
    I'm the only one to seen it on the ground
    First thing I seen when I saw it land
    Cats jumped out and they formed a band

    Well, the little green men, they were real hep-cats
    Rockin' 'n' rollin' to the crazy flats
    Brought out a sax and they started to blow
    They brought out the drums and they started to roll

    Flyin' saucer rock 'n' roll
    Flyin' saucer rock 'n' roll
    I couldn't understand a thing they said
    But that crazy beat just-a stopped me dead
    , @Prester John
    @I, Libertine

    To paraphrase Enrico Fermi "Where are they?"

    Which raises yet another question: What if there IS no--"they?"

    Replies: @I, Libertine

  103. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Paleo Liberal

    Jimmy Carter also had to deal with a monster rabbit that jumped into his Jon boat. A guy like that will waste a lot of Mulder's and Scully's time and taxpayers' money.

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal

    Carter has had an interesting life, that’s for sure.

    I was born in the waning years of the Eisenhower administration.

    My opinion — The most underrated Democrat and Republican presidents respectively were Carter and Ford. In effect, the economy was on the brink of ruin from a combination of LBJ’s guns and butter, esp. the Vietnam War, and the oil embargoes from OPEC, which could be as much or more Nixon’s fault as Ford and Carter’s. Ford and Carter essentially patched the economy up with duct tape, and were blamed for their circumstances. Carter oversaw the greatest job creation up to that time, and also appointed Volker to the Fed to clean up the large inflation. Some claim that Volker did a lot more than Reagan to clean up the economy. I don’t know. In effect, Ford and Carter were average presidents who served in difficult times. Neither started a war.

    The most overrated D and R? Kennedy and Reagan. Let’s face it, their fans, including much of the media, were in love with these guys. Their supporters acted like they walked on water. In reality, they were above average presidents who were extremely charismatic, and thus their fans put them in the Pantheon.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Paleo Liberal

    My opinion

    The economy wasn't ruined. It was suffering some dysfunctions brought about by bad policy.

    Congress and the Nixon administration generated physical shortages by instituting price controls. The price controls were in response to inflation generated by expansionary monetary policy. The Fed could and eventually did restabilize prices by controlling the growth of monetary aggregates. The administrations in charge during the period running from 1966 to 1981 were disinclined to do that because you had to take a hit politically for the recession that such controls would produce and because the Federal Reserve was (from 1970 to 1978) run by Arthur Burns, who had through imbibing current literature in macroeconomics, persuaded himself that instituting monetary controls to contain inflation would be unsuccessful. IIRC, James Tobin was advising Jimmy Carter ca. 1980 that it would take 15 years to re-stabilize prices and it wasn't worth it. It actually took less than two years and about four years for the growth trajectory to return to the long-term trendline.

    Note, Lyndon Johnson twisted the arm of the Fed Chair of the time (Wm. Martin) to institute monetary stimulus, something he resisted doing in 1965-66. He retired in 1970 and was replaced with Burns, who made a dog's breakfast of the job.

  104. @Anon
    There's a book that came out in 1995 during the last UFO mania (Roswell, alien abduction, gray-style body shape aliens first appeared in media). The book, Watch the Skies, by Curtis Peebles, is a historical walk through these every quarter century UFO things. They are all the same. The same people show up. The same claims are made. The same excuses are concocted. The same authorities are rolled out. The same conspiracies are claimed. The book is not available in Kindle, unfortunately.

    When seen in this kind of a historical perspective, it's easy to see how fake it all is.

    By the way, Neil deGrasse Tyson came out of #metoo'd semi-media retirement to denounce this UFO stuff on Rogan, and he's pretty good at it. When every Karen incident is livestreamed, why are all the UFO (= aliens) things blurry black and white video?, he asked Rogan. Rogan: Because the aliens live in the sea to avoid being seen by people, so only aircraft-carrier jets come across them. Joe, my man, you've been smoking too much ganja!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1u0VDFppCI4

    By the way, Roswell turned out not to be a weather balloon, but rather an H-bomb isotope-detecting balloon from the upper atmosphere. It seems mylar was really amazing to rural ranchers in the 1940s, and seemed like a miracle metal.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Hangnail Hans, @Nathan, @Hapalong Cassidy, @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    I remember the last bout of UFO mania, which took place around the time of the X Files and Independence Day. It seemed like a side effect of the distrust created by the regimes of Bush the Elder and especially Clinton. I distinctly remember a lengthy Time article talking about the UFO phenomenon, in a dismissive tone usually reserved for JFK assassination conspiracy theories. This of course made me more inclined to believe in UFOs than less.

  105. @They Drew First Blood
    Two quotes:

    "We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false."
     
    -- William Casey 1981/Feb. 1981 meeting Roosevelt Room at the White House

    "We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an Act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity...Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do."
     
    -- Ben Rich 1993/UCLA

    is all you need to consider here.

    Replies: @Old Prude

    “We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.”

    Yeah, well what if a large portion of the American public believes everything they are told is disinformation? Like UFO sighting from DOD representatives?

    I think the mark was overshot sometime around when I was told Bruce Jenner is a woman….

  106. I’m inclined to believe that otherworldly visitors are in fact real. I don’t think they come from other systems because of the relative impossibility of near-light speed travel over long distances. I’m more inclined to believe they come from another dimension. From the little I know of quantum physics, it does support the idea of parallel universes.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Hapalong Cassidy


    From the little I know of quantum physics, it does support the idea of parallel universes.
     
    Not really. It does, however, support the notion of (quite mysteriosuly) using complex-valued probability density functions in the same ways as a physical fluid, unlike in classical probability theory, where it is just an expression of observer-relative lack of information (and thus of the domain of epistemology, not of physics).
  107. Anon[167] • Disclaimer says:
    @Nathan
    @Anon

    Ugh. It's grainy black and white footage because it's white-hot infrared. It's better than high definition video because it shows there is a physical object present and it isn't an optical trick.

    De Grasse Tyson is such a fraud.

    Replies: @Anon, @guest007, @epebble, @Mr. Anon

    I’m not a big De Grasse Tyson fan, but he nailed it in that Rogan appearance. Remember, in these discussions the assumption is that “UFO” is being used in the sense of “Intelligent extraterrestrial life form, or a drone created thereby, visiting earth.” It’s not being used in the sense of “unidentified flying object.” Your white-hot physical object is in fact unidentified, possibly flying, and may very well be an object. But there’s no alien inside.

    • Replies: @Nathan
    @Anon

    But here's the problem. The Navy never said anything about intelligent extraterrestrial life. They said, "our pilots saw, and their infrared and radar weapons systems tracked, some object in controlled airspace and your guess is as good as ours." That's actually a serious problem. There is something in the sky that poses a potential hazard to navigation and nobody knows what it is.

    Here are some other problems to consider. Christopher Mellon, the former Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence has stated that these things are not classified US technology. You should believe him because his former position would mean that he would be privy to any level of classification or the creation of a special access program that would cover such technology. All of the footage that has been released, and apparently the UAP program itself is unclassified. If it were classified US technology, this footage would not be unclassified. Period. It's also important to note that the pilots who see these objects don't talk about them because they don't want to look kooky. That's the worst kind of group think. These are Officers trusted with enormous levels of responsibility and group think and social pressure should be the last thing they consider when describing what they encounter in the line of duty.

    My criticism of De Grasse Tyson is twofold. First, he is a physics PhD who apparently doesn't understand the nature of what he is looking at when he sees these grainy black and white videos. He should understand what infrared is, at least at a basic level, and why it's grainy and what that means. He doesn't. His example of the bird using displacement also undermines his reflexive skepticism. He says nobody ever thought to look and test what animals were capable of, but when he is confronted with information that doesn't align with his heuristic assumptions about the world, he dismisses it because he makes assumptions that others aren't making- that it's alien technology.

    I'm also embarrassed at the reflexive skepticism and lack of intellectual rigor in the comments. It's easy to make up arguments about how aliens wouldn't have come to earth from distant stars and then do x, y, and z. But that's no more intellectually honest and makes just as many assumptions as the kooky alien theories. It's hard to look at something and admit that nobody knows what it is.

    Replies: @Anon, @Anonymous Jew

  108. Bob Lazar, really? Below I’ve linked a comprehensive debunking of his alien spacecraft story. It’s based on some inside information. The TL:DR version goes as such:

    In late 1988 Lazar got a technician job at Area 51, similar to what he’d already done at Los Alamos. He is not a physicist or any other sort of scientist, though by all accounts he’s a highly skilled craftsman. He became aware of experiments involving extremely powerful particle beams, refinement of a technology that had existed for many years by 1988. During nighttime experiments the particle beams produced glowing orbs in the sky that looked like everyone’s idea of a UFO.

    On the night of April 5, 1989, when there were particle beam tests scheduled, Lazar invited some friends to hang out near the Area 51 gate to observe what he told them were UFO’s that the government had captured and was hiding in a secret underground hangar. Unfortunately for them, base security busted the gathering. This put Lazar in a very difficult position. He would have faced extremely serious charges if he admitted that he knew about the particle beam experiments and that he was just pranking his friends with the UFO talk. To save himself, he had to play dumb and say that he himself thought they were actual UFO’s. The security people decided it would be too risky to prosecute Lazar – who knew what he might say during a trial? – and simply fired him.

    This may bring up the question of why Lazar continues to stick with the UFO story after more than 30 years. Turns out, he has to. While the government declassifies most secret programs well before 30 years have elapsed, the particle beam experiments are an exception: because they violated weapons treaties that remain in effect, the government has to keep them classified. And so long as they remain classified, Lazar is still subject to prosecution if he reveals the truth.

    https://www.otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strange-places/looking-at-the-bob-lazar-story-from-the-perspective-of-2018/

    • Replies: @photondancer
    @prosa123

    The women who faked the Cottingley fairy photos didn't admit the hoax for 60 years. It doesn't need government restrictions. Many hoaxers resist giving up their story.

  109. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Gordo


    And no-one gets the anal probe anymore since cellphones with cameras became ubiquitous.
     
    I don't like to talk about it, because people will think I'm crazy(er), but I got that anal probe a few years back. However, I wasn't sure that it was really an alien that done it, though he claimed to be from a planet called "Proctology School". Really?! That doesn't sound like it's even in the Milky Way, much less our own star cluster. I call bull-shit.

    Oh, he used a different camera from his cell phone one... something about "can't stand to answer the phone anymore when I use it for work..." There is probably an app for it though - MySelfProcto?

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Jim Christian, @The Alarmist, @Old Prude

    Were you paying for that procedure? Once out of the military and the airlines and no longer needing a Class 1, I informed my doctor “I am paying for this; I will suffer no indignities”.

    Colonostopy? Fuggedabout it. That’s a one-way road. I business in a box and let someone else dig through my leavings. God bless Cologard.

  110. My thought with the UFO’s isn’t whether they are there or not; either they are or they aren’t, and that’s been the case for seventy five years or so now. These sightings started to become common in the late forties.

    What strikes me is the timing of this flurry of interest. At the moment, there’s a de facto media-political monolith that finds itself inextricably bound to a series of policies that are or will prove catastrophically unpopular: Black Lives Matter, police ‘reform’, the promotion of transgenderism, ‘critical race theory,’ come one come all immigration.

    What to do, what to do? They can’t just dump it all — but staying the course is obviously going to prove catastrophic.

    About the only option is distraction: squirrel! So let’s agree China started the Covid. Decide UFO’s are real. Anything, really.

    The UFO’s have been zipping about up there for seventy five years — or not zipping about. Either way, they can continue for a bit longer. Let’s focus on what these bastards are doing to the country, better.

    • Agree: Joseph Doaks
  111. @beavertales
    The Stolen Election Coup of 2020 is the biggest story of the century.

    Distractions, y'all.

    Replies: @Old Prude

    Who killed Ashli Babbitt? LOOK! A flying lozenge!

    • Agree: Stan D Mute
  112. I’m with Anton on this :

    I read somewhere a while ago that back during the Soviet era Pravda had an article about UFOs where they stated that UFOs take off from the pages of capitalist news papers whenever the proletariat becomes restless .

    • LOL: Alden
  113. @I, Libertine
    Maybe a circular metallic object shall land on my lawn, a funny looking figure shall emerge from a drop-down ladder, approach me and say "take me to your leader." Until and unless that happens, I'll remain an adamant skeptic on the issue of whether intelligent life from elsewhere in the universe has put our little orb under observation.

    Let's start with how unlikely it is that such a process as life (let alone intelligent life) would be present on earth. Everything about this planet and its environs had to be just so. No moon, in just the right position and orbit at just the right times, and there's no life here. No ozone layer, no life. Etc, Etc. So, intelligent life must be unimaginably rare.


    Well, life as we know it that is. Of course, science fiction writers have been imagining life other-than-as-we-know-it for some time now. The Black Cloud by Fred Hoyle is the first example that comes to my mind. But those who say "it's aliens, I tell ya" are positing the existence of life kinda like we know it, whether they realize it or not. Remember, these purported aliens are the kind of beings who, just like us, ride around in aircraft, although vehicles that our pilots are describing in their reports are more technologically advanced than those Steve Sailer's dad was designing.

    And now let's think about how the laws of nature intrude on the question. They're not "laws" in the sense that you can be fined or imprisoned for violating them. "Sorry, officer, my speedometer is broken. Was I really doing 187,00 miles per second?"

    So, how'd they get here? How'd they find us? They must have come from at least hundreds of light years away. So it took them hundreds of years to get here, at a minimum - that darned universal speed limit. As we've seen, the odds that they came from Proxima Centauri or some other nearby star are vanishingly small. When they set sail for here, we weren't even emitting radio waves yet. Or were they just on patrol, and happened to be close by during Marconi's prime?

    And why haven't we been shown clear, indisputably video of them yet? Nothing but those fuzzy objects that we see on Tucker Carlson Tonight.

    Even if we don't have the simpler explanation that Occam's Razor requires, I suspect that this explanation will turn out to be more likely than space aliens.

    Replies: @Guest29048, @Prester John

    Maybe a circular metallic object shall land on my lawn, a funny looking figure shall emerge from a drop-down ladder, approach me and say “take me to your leader.”

    Or it could happen like this:

    Well, the news of the saucer been a-flyin’ around
    I’m the only one to seen it on the ground
    First thing I seen when I saw it land
    Cats jumped out and they formed a band

    Well, the little green men, they were real hep-cats
    Rockin’ ‘n’ rollin’ to the crazy flats
    Brought out a sax and they started to blow
    They brought out the drums and they started to roll

    Flyin’ saucer rock ‘n’ roll
    Flyin’ saucer rock ‘n’ roll
    I couldn’t understand a thing they said
    But that crazy beat just-a stopped me dead

  114. People don’t speak up about UFO sightings because they would look like kooks.

    People don’t speak up about CRT-type cult beliefs because they would look like racists.

  115. @I, Libertine
    Maybe a circular metallic object shall land on my lawn, a funny looking figure shall emerge from a drop-down ladder, approach me and say "take me to your leader." Until and unless that happens, I'll remain an adamant skeptic on the issue of whether intelligent life from elsewhere in the universe has put our little orb under observation.

    Let's start with how unlikely it is that such a process as life (let alone intelligent life) would be present on earth. Everything about this planet and its environs had to be just so. No moon, in just the right position and orbit at just the right times, and there's no life here. No ozone layer, no life. Etc, Etc. So, intelligent life must be unimaginably rare.


    Well, life as we know it that is. Of course, science fiction writers have been imagining life other-than-as-we-know-it for some time now. The Black Cloud by Fred Hoyle is the first example that comes to my mind. But those who say "it's aliens, I tell ya" are positing the existence of life kinda like we know it, whether they realize it or not. Remember, these purported aliens are the kind of beings who, just like us, ride around in aircraft, although vehicles that our pilots are describing in their reports are more technologically advanced than those Steve Sailer's dad was designing.

    And now let's think about how the laws of nature intrude on the question. They're not "laws" in the sense that you can be fined or imprisoned for violating them. "Sorry, officer, my speedometer is broken. Was I really doing 187,00 miles per second?"

    So, how'd they get here? How'd they find us? They must have come from at least hundreds of light years away. So it took them hundreds of years to get here, at a minimum - that darned universal speed limit. As we've seen, the odds that they came from Proxima Centauri or some other nearby star are vanishingly small. When they set sail for here, we weren't even emitting radio waves yet. Or were they just on patrol, and happened to be close by during Marconi's prime?

    And why haven't we been shown clear, indisputably video of them yet? Nothing but those fuzzy objects that we see on Tucker Carlson Tonight.

    Even if we don't have the simpler explanation that Occam's Razor requires, I suspect that this explanation will turn out to be more likely than space aliens.

    Replies: @Guest29048, @Prester John

    To paraphrase Enrico Fermi “Where are they?”

    Which raises yet another question: What if there IS no–“they?”

    • Replies: @I, Libertine
    @Prester John

    Andrew Anglin has a new column up on this website: The Pentagon Is Behind the Fake Alien Agenda. He says what had to say, and a whole lot more. I'm not sure a agree with everything in the column, but that explanation is less ludicrous to me than it's aliens!

  116. Waiting For The UFO’s (Digitally Remastered 1996)

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    Associated Performer, Composer, Guitar, Lyricist, Vocal: Graham Parker
    Producer: Jack Nitzsche
    Associated Performer: The Rumour
    Associated Performer: Graham Parker & The Rumour
    Engineer: Mark Howlett
    Mastering Engineer: Greg Calbi,
    Background Vocal, Guitar: Brinsley Schwarz
    Background Vocal, Guitar: Martin Belmont
    Background Vocal, Keyboards: Bob Andrews
    Background Vocal, Drums: Steve Goulding
    Bass Guitar: Andrew Bodnar

  117. Bob Lazar, a physicist who claims to have worked on of these craft,speculated how the craft works.

    Bob Lazar is not a physicist. Or at least there is no evidence he is or ever was. There is much better evidence that he was a panderer

    https://www.otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strange-places/bluefire-main/bluefire/the-bob-lazar-corner/lv-review-journal-6-19-1990/

    and a supplier of chemicals for “illegal” fireworks:

    https://www.cpsc.gov/Newsroom/News-Releases/2007/New-Mexico-Company-Fined-Ordered-To-Stop-Selling-Illegal-Fireworks-Components/

  118. @prosa123
    Here's a plausible-sounding explanation of the Berglas Effect:

    He has memorized the order of the deck. There are ways to organize a deck in a way that will appear random to the eye but is actuality they are in an easy to recall sequence. He then takes 2 random audience members who are legitimately not connected and not in on it.
    He has the first participant call out a random card. He knows which spot that card is in the deck because he has the order of all 52 cards memorized.
    Now lets say the person says "Jack of Hearts" and he knows that is in card spot "9" in the deck.
    Now he has the second audience member say a number. Now he knows he just has to find a way to connect the second audience members number with the actual number "9" spot.
    If they say 45,18, 36, 27 he can say add the digits to get "9"
    If they say 44 he can have them flip the deck and count from the bottom.
    If they say 10 he can tell them to throw the top card away and then start counting.
    If they say 19, 28, 37, 46, he can combine the digits and then be "off" by one when they get to the 10th card.
    There is also a rare chance when they actually pick the correct number and in that case he looks even better. This is his best case scenario but he is prepared for ALL scenarios.
    Just with these examples, I can make the trick "work" with the random audience member picking 11 different numbers.
    He is infinitely better and can find ways to get to any location in the deck with any number given. This is why the trick is never the same each time and he has to improvise on his feet at all times. The skill in the trick is the story he weaves to get to the number. It is impressive feat of mental gymnastics, but not anything magical or unresolved. The actual techique is just adding or subtracting to get to the spot he needs.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Deadite

    That sounds very plausible, and of course sleight of hand magicians are very capable of appearing to shuffle a deck of cards without actually changing the order.

    One might also consider that he might be using a custom deck of cards, for example one in which each card represents two different cards according to which way up you hold it, if you hide the bottom half of the card.

    When I was a child I had a trick set of cards, in which every other card was the ten of spades, and the ten of spades cards were slightly larger than the other cards, so that you could always cut the deck to the ten of spades.

    That way you could have a member of the public, or your family, cut the deck and the card showing would always be the ten of spades. Then you could take that card, place it in an envelope and burn it, and then miraculously recover it using one of the other 25 ten of spades in the deck without ever seeing the card that was chosen by the audience member.

    I imagine there are infinite ways in which professional magicians can manufacture their own equipment in ways that mislead the audience.

    Perhaps indeed he has 52 decks, one for each card, and each deck consists of 52 identical cards, but he has great facility in retrieving and switching decks. Or maybe 4 decks, one for each suit, that contain 4 sets of 13 cards, so that gives him four ways to find the right color from the given number.

  119. @Known Fact
    @Known Fact

    https://images.app.goo.gl/fpLVyzL3atvfpPK77

    Replies: @Known Fact

    Oops, I meant to point out FYI that the all-white outfit is a telltale sign you’re dealing with extraterrestrial visitors

    • Replies: @Lockean Proviso
    @Known Fact

    Maybe Boss Hogg's powers were otherworldly?


    https://images.app.goo.gl/eG5c97iHRM3L2GvG6

  120. A lot of UFOs could easily be kites with lights, or hot air balloons flown at night and misinterpreted by viewers on the ground. Or those helium balloons that you buy in a dollar store that can rise to great heights if released. Some of them are silver.

  121. @The Alarmist
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Geez Louise ... I have an endoscope that works with my mobile ... what planet is your guy from?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    I never found that out for sure, but after an interruption to take a phone call from his stockbroker, he said “I gotta get back to Uranus.” or something.

    • LOL: The Alarmist
  122. Close Encounters of the Third Kind Air Traffic Control Scene with airport deleted scene included.

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    Siskel & Ebert review Close Encounters of the Third Kind 1977

    Gene Siskel and Roger Ebert review Close Encounters of the Third Kind in 1977, probably December based on the holiday themed commercials also on the tape.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @MEH 0910

    That was a good scene. Professional black person is professional.

    Edgar P. Jacobs had fun doing his own interpretation in his last work "Professor Sato's Three Formulae, Part 1" (issued also in 1977, same as the movie - not 1970 as Wikipedia affirms).

    In this story, the UFO turns out to be a flying robot designed by renowned cybernetics ace Professor Sato playfully made up as a Chinese dragon ("Ryu") but deplorably out of control. Not that real UFOs don't appear in earlier parts of this series.

    https://i.postimg.cc/bw8JPvk0/Professor-Sato-s-Three-Formulae-1.png



    https://i.postimg.cc/VLPs9NGy/Professor-Sato-s-Three-Formulae-2.png

    https://i.postimg.cc/RZVBGJwY/Professor-Sato-s-Three-Formulae-3.png

    , @Mr. Anon
    @MEH 0910

    Thanks for the clip. I had never before seen that last scene at the airport. I wish they had kept it in the released version.

    That ATC scene was one of my favorite scenes from an all-round great movie. Spielberg really was at the top of his form with Close Encounters. He was able to develop an incredible sense of wonder, suspense, and fear from a few guys sitting around a console talking to a few other guys over the radio. Many of the performers in that scene including the main one were actual working air traffic controllers, which brought a lot of verisimilitude to the scene. I had read that he got bit by the acting bug after his part in this movie and tried to make a career of it, but it didn't take. Too bad.....he was good at it.

  123. jb says:

    I can’t pretend to know what is actually going on with those “sighting”, but I have to say I consider the hypothesis of aliens to be wildly implausible. I mean, they traveled the depths of interstellar space so that they could spend all their time futzing around in the upper atmosphere just out of our view? Really? And out of 4.6 billion years of Earth’s history they just coincidentally happened to show up now, during the brief 200 year period when humans have started to develop a technological society? Or have they been hanging around the entire time, but not mining or colonizing or anything, because they thought maybe we might show up some day? Again, really?

    It just doesn’t make any sense. Whatever is going on, the origin is almost certainly here on Earth.

    • Agree: donut, Joseph Doaks
    • Replies: @Known Fact
    @jb


    And out of 4.6 billion years of Earth’s history they just coincidentally happened to show up now?
     
    Uh-uh -- Ezekiel saw the wheel

    Replies: @Ahem

  124. Why the hell are you still referencing Cochran? The man got one thing right (Iraq), everyone else since is either been glaringly obvious (most of his hbd stuff), mostly wrong (his recent stuff on covid) or just kooky
    Considering diseases are his speciality his credibility these days is basically gone.

  125. @Nathan
    @Anon

    Ugh. It's grainy black and white footage because it's white-hot infrared. It's better than high definition video because it shows there is a physical object present and it isn't an optical trick.

    De Grasse Tyson is such a fraud.

    Replies: @Anon, @guest007, @epebble, @Mr. Anon

    Someone would think that an advance technology good enough to move across lightyears of space could find a better way to dump excess heat than just radiate it into the environment. If the object was that hot, it should have left a trail of superheated air.

    • Replies: @Nathan
    @guest007

    That makes a lot of assumptions and it's contradictory. Since it didn't leave a trail of superheated air, doesn't that indicate maybe it does have a better way to dump excess heat than to radiate it into the environment?

    And who said anything about light years of space? That's an assumption you are making. You're also projecting your assumptions about vehicular travel onto the object. We don't know if it's a vehicle or an undiscovered natural phenomenon, or a weapon, or anything really. Reflexive skepticism helps no one in this situation.

  126. I’ve been a believer in the Ultraterrestrial ever since I read John Keel over forty years ago. Here’s a good description:

    “While the model for ETH intelligences seems to assume that they are explorers or invaders of some kind, the ultraterrestrial hypothesis lends itself to different speculations. UFO researchers John Keel and Jacques Vallee suggested there was a “control system” created by ultraterrestrial beings which has power over our three-dimensional reality and the human perception of it, a role some have called a “custodian” role. Others see extradimensional “rats” which are able to hide from us due to the relatively narrow range of perception of the electromagnetic spectrum. Or they could be cosmic tricksters, creatures from different realities that our ancestors once perceived as magical little people lurking in the forest, or burning chariots, or winged angels in the sky.

    Of course, the problem with this hypothesis is that it purports that UFOs are simply beyond our ability to understand, comprehend, or even perceive, making it simply impossible to verify or test the theory. This in and of itself doesn’t make the hypothesis wrong, but it does put it in the same category as magic and ghosts.”

    https://knowledgenuts.com/extraterrestrials-vs-ultraterrestrials/#:~:text=One%20of%20the%20other%20most%20prominent%20alternatives%20to,“elsewhere%2C”%20such%20as%20another%20dimension%2C%20universe%2C%20or%20reality.

  127. @brabantian
    It's obviously Project Blue Beam ... the 'biggest hoax of all time' ... bigger than the hoax of the 50-years-ago 'moon landings' ... bigger than the hoax of 'nuclear weapons' which in fact do not exist ... Covid-19 & its 'vaccines' have prepared the way for people around the world, to Believe in the SCIENCE

    https://i.ibb.co/m9FnvCz/project-blue-beam.jpg

    Replies: @El Dato

    > NASA leading us into a global government
    > Can’t even govern itself, losing two shuttles because of organizational dementia

    You might be on to something.

    • Replies: @donut
    @El Dato

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2003/11/columbias-last-flight/304204/

  128. A good undergraduate physics problem used to be to calculate the energy required to accelerate an object up to say 90% of the spread of light and then deaccelerate the object back down to orbital speed. A bonus object would be to do the calculation using different efficiencies of engine. A second bonus would be to calculate the time dilation from the trip.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @guest007

    You don't just rocket your way into the Galaxy. You swoosh in style as a virtual construct that can be run or halted by the operating system, and for whom long travel times just mean that the Galaxy has rotated a bit more.


    Waiting to be cloned one thousand times and scattered across ten million cubic light-years, Paolo Venetti relaxed in his favorite ceremonial bathtub: a tiered hexagonal pool set in a courtyard of black marble flecked with gold. Paolo wore full traditional anatomy, uncomfortable garb at first, but the warm currents flowing across his back and shoulders slowly eased him into a pleasant torpor. He could have reached the same state in an instant, by decree -- but the occasion seemed to demand the complete ritual of verisimilitude, the ornate curlicued longhand of imitation physical cause and effect.

    As the moment of diaspora approached, a small gray lizard darted across the courtyard, claws scrabbling. It halted by the far edge of the pool, and Paolo marveled at the delicate pulse of its breathing, and watched the lizard watching him, until it moved again, disappearing into the surrounding vineyards. The environment was full of birds and insects, rodents and small reptiles -- decorative in appearance, but also satisfying a more abstract aesthetic: softening the harsh radial symmetry of the lone observer; anchoring the simulation by perceiving it from a multitude of viewpoints. Ontological guy lines. No one had asked the lizards if they wanted to be cloned, though. They were coming along for the ride, like it or not.

    The sky above the courtyard was warm and blue, cloudless and sunless, isotropic. Paolo waited calmly, prepared for every one of half a dozen possible fates.

    An invisible bell chimed softly, three times. Paolo laughed, delighted.

    One chime would have meant that he was still on Earth: an anti-climax, certainly -- but there would have been advantages to compensate for that. Everyone who really mattered to him lived in the Carter-Zimmerman polis, but not all of them had chosen to take part in the diaspora to the same degree; his Earth-self would have lost no one. Helping to ensure that the thousand ships were safely dispatched would have been satisfying, too. And remaining a member of the wider Earth-based community, plugged into the entire global culture in real-time, would have been an attraction in itself.

    Two chimes would have meant that this clone of Carter-Zimmerman had reached a planetary system devoid of life. Paolo had run a sophisticated - but non-sapient - self-predictive model before deciding to wake under those conditions. Exploring a handful of alien worlds, however barren, had seemed likely to be an enriching experience for him -- with the distinct advantage that the whole endeavor would be untrammeled by the kind of elaborate precautions necessary in the presence of alien life. C-Z's population would have fallen by more than half and many of his closest friends would have been absent - but he would have forged new friendships, he was sure.

    Four chimes would have signaled the discovery of intelligent aliens. Five, a technological civilization. Six, spacefarers.

    Three chimes, though, meant that the scout probes had detected unambiguous signs of life -- and that was reason enough for jubilation. Up until the moment of the pre-launch cloning -- a subjective instant before the chimes had sounded -- no reports of alien life had ever reached Earth. There'd been no guarantee that any part of the diaspora would find it.

    Paolo willed the polis library to brief him; it promptly rewired the declarative memory of his simulated traditional brain with all the information he was likely to need to satisfy his immediate curiosity. This clone of C-Z had arrived at Vega, the second closest of the thousand target stars, twenty-seven light-years from Earth. Paolo closed his eyes and visualized a star map with a thousand lines radiating out from the sun, then zoomed in on the trajectory which described his own journey. It had taken three centuries to reach Vega - but the vast majority of the polis's twenty thousand inhabitants had programmed their exoselves to suspend them prior to the cloning, and to wake them only if and when they arrived at a suitable destination. Ninety-two citizens had chosen the alternative: experiencing every voyage of the diaspora from start to finish, risking disappointment, and even death. Paolo now knew that the ship aimed at Fomalhaut, the target nearest Earth, had been struck by debris and annihilated en route. He mourned the ninety-two, briefly. He hadn't been close to any of them, prior to the cloning, and the particular versions who'd willfully perished two centuries ago in interstellar space seemed as remote as the victims of some ancient calamity from the era of flesh.
     

    Greg Egan
    Published 1995 in “New Legends”, edited by Greg Bear and Martin H. Greenberg
    A modified version of this story appears in Greg Egan's Novel “Diaspora”, 1998
  129. What Do You Think About the UFO Sightings?

    Physics hasn’t changed in the last 40 years, so “About the same.”

    I am annoyed by Tucker Carlson’s interest. He shows the same ‘UFO’ video again and again. It’s painfully obvious there’s just some crud on the camera lens.

    I don’t doubt people are seeing things. But until you have seen a scintillating scotoma, you have no comprehension of what humans can conjure up.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Gamecock


    But until you have seen a scintillating scotoma, you have no comprehension of what humans can conjure up.
     
    People hallucinate practically everything in their visual field, including the location of things which are seen where they will be, not where they are ... Eye to brain: Hey, I have a few bytes, can you do something with this on the quick? Brain: Yeah, I will just render a wireframe and do some crappy shading, that will do it for the next 200ms.

    Have any UFOs been caught by Ring devices while people are sleeping?

    I remember J. Allen Hynek determining the maximum of UFO traffic at around 02:00 in the morning.

  130. @MEH 0910
    Close Encounters of the Third Kind Air Traffic Control Scene with airport deleted scene included.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gRdt7qkSW4

    Siskel & Ebert review Close Encounters of the Third Kind 1977
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2DAK1V7UyI

    Gene Siskel and Roger Ebert review Close Encounters of the Third Kind in 1977, probably December based on the holiday themed commercials also on the tape.
     

    Replies: @El Dato, @Mr. Anon

    That was a good scene. Professional black person is professional.

    Edgar P. Jacobs had fun doing his own interpretation in his last work “Professor Sato’s Three Formulae, Part 1” (issued also in 1977, same as the movie – not 1970 as Wikipedia affirms).

    In this story, the UFO turns out to be a flying robot designed by renowned cybernetics ace Professor Sato playfully made up as a Chinese dragon (“Ryu”) but deplorably out of control. Not that real UFOs don’t appear in earlier parts of this series.

    [MORE]

  131. @Arclight
    I have a hard time believing alien civilizations that have the technology to travel vast distances across the galaxy lack the ability to remain undetected by those that don't.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Stan D Mute

    Why would they care about being concealed? Do you worry that the animals in a Zoo can see you looking at them?

    They would necessarily be so far advanced beyond us that a visit here could only be for idle curiosity/tourism or just scouting for any resources that they might want for themselves.

    Real UFOs wouldn’t have to comply with Roddenberry’s rules for Star Fleet.

  132. @Gamecock

    What Do You Think About the UFO Sightings?
     
    Physics hasn't changed in the last 40 years, so "About the same."

    I am annoyed by Tucker Carlson's interest. He shows the same 'UFO' video again and again. It's painfully obvious there's just some crud on the camera lens.

    I don't doubt people are seeing things. But until you have seen a scintillating scotoma, you have no comprehension of what humans can conjure up.

    Replies: @El Dato

    But until you have seen a scintillating scotoma, you have no comprehension of what humans can conjure up.

    People hallucinate practically everything in their visual field, including the location of things which are seen where they will be, not where they are … Eye to brain: Hey, I have a few bytes, can you do something with this on the quick? Brain: Yeah, I will just render a wireframe and do some crappy shading, that will do it for the next 200ms.

    Have any UFOs been caught by Ring devices while people are sleeping?

    I remember J. Allen Hynek determining the maximum of UFO traffic at around 02:00 in the morning.

  133. For years people would come out with grainy or fuzzy pictures/movies of what were purported to be UFOs and the Pentagon would reply (if they deigned to reply at all) that whatever was being photographed was: nothing, nothing of interest, explainable, certainly not a UFO, etc.

    Now, the Pentagon itself releases grainy or fuzzy pictures/videos and just says: “Gee, guys, we have no idea what these are. Discuss.”

    Here’s a discussion of it from a skeptical perspective:

    Public knowledge of all of this started with the release of these videos by Luis Elizondo, a man who purportedly headed up a secret Pentagon task-force to investigate these phenomenon. At least that’s how it’s reported in “The News”. But if you step back a moment, you might observe a few things.

    [MORE]

    1.) Elizondo – a guy who looks and sounds like a professional wrestling promoter – apparently has no past before he was tapped for this important job. I challenge you to find out anything about him. Where did he go to school? Did he serve in the military, or in some government agency? I looked, and I couldn’t find any information about his background or any ostensible qualifications.

    2.) The ATTIP program (Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program), was not a regular sort of Pentagon program. It was a Congressional earmark stuck into the budget by Harry Reid, the corrupt Democratic congressman from Nevada, and a lot of the money appropriated apparently went to Bigelow Aerospace, a Nevada company owned by Robert Bigelow, a Nevada real-estate developer and owner of Budget Suites of America. I’m gonna go out on a limb, and guess that Bigelow was a big political contributor to Harry Reid.

    Reid and Bigelow may be genuinely interested in UFOs and genuine true believers on that score. But that doesn’t change the fact that ATTIP was fundamentally an exercise in pork-barrel politics.

    However, the media and the upper echelons of society are now lending creedance to this whole thing, so that makes me suspect something even dirtier and sneakier lay at the bottom of all this.

    I think perhaps we are slowly being prepared for the revelation that Extraterrestrial aliens have and are visiting the Earth and are perhaps even preparing to invade it.

    Yes!.

    No! I don’t believe there are any aliens (at least not here, not now) and they perforce don’t want to invade us. But I believe that TPTB may at some point want us to believe that there are. If the War on Carbon fails in it’s purpose of subjugating humanity under the rule of the neo-feudal globalist ruling-class (also known as GloboCap, Globo-Homo, The NWO, etc.), then a bogus alien-invasion may serve to do the trick. “This is Interstellar War! Space Combat, toe-to-toe with the ETs! Do your duty, citizen, and give up your car and your AC and your steaks! We all have to make sacrifices in defense of our beloved Mother Earth! We’re all in this together!”

    After the last year, with millions of people falling into lockstep and doing whatever Anthony Fauci or Gavin Newsome told them to do, on the day they told them to do it (even if it was completely different than what they were told just a week before), does anyone doubt that hundreds of millions of people would completely buy into an “Alien Invasion” if it were rolled out by the media?

    • Replies: @Morton's toes
    @Mr. Anon


    Where did he go to school? Did he serve in the military, or in some government agency? I looked, and I couldn’t find any information about his background or any ostensible qualifications.
     
    Dark Journalist reports he went to U. Miami and was recruited into the anti-Castro faction. His dad is from Cuba and he is 2nd generation commie hater. Elizondo has (some) proper documentation but it's classified.

    Reid and Bigelow may be genuinely interested in UFOs and genuine true believers on that score. But that doesn’t change the fact that ATTIP was fundamentally an exercise in pork-barrel politics.
     
    Bigelow spent the dough on legitimate research. He had 6-7 scientists + support personnel + big hardware and software expenses on the Skinwalker Ranch project for 2 years. They did not come away with publishable findings but Knapp's account and Vallee's account (in the 4th volume of his journals) look completely above board. If you leave out the part about the Federal money. The vast majority of Americans consider Federal money to be a resource which can be plucked off those money trees our parents told us do not exist.

    does anyone doubt that hundreds of millions of people would completely buy into an “Alien Invasion” if it were rolled out by the media?
     
    You are jumping the gun. Wait until the big reveal in June is very very very close to nothing. It's going to end up being no bigger a deal than no Santa Claus.

    What is Tom Delong doing these days? That was Plan A. This is a contingency plan which means it wasn't even as good as that stupid Plan A.
  134. Hey Steve i asked you your take on the military’s release of UFO documents….everybody from Harry Reid to Obama to Trump to Rubio have commented on it in recent years….

    I have 2 theories: some weird quantum phenomenon…..or US or Russian top secret drones…..

  135. @Nathan
    @Anon

    Ugh. It's grainy black and white footage because it's white-hot infrared. It's better than high definition video because it shows there is a physical object present and it isn't an optical trick.

    De Grasse Tyson is such a fraud.

    Replies: @Anon, @guest007, @epebble, @Mr. Anon

    But we have excellent pictures of sun, stars etc., all very hot. We have even imaged a black hole. White-hot is visible. Infrared would be invisible/dull red.

    BTW, all our missile defenses are useless against UFOs? All the air forces cannot shoot down a UFO by “mistake”, though they can do many airliners?

    https://physicsworld.com/a/first-images-of-a-black-hole-unveiled-by-astronomers-in-landmark-discovery/

  136. @SunBakedSuburb
    @Arclight

    "vast distances"

    Non-human intelligences undoubtedly exist but if they visit Earth it won't be in a physical vessel. To cover vast distances in space requires folding time. Any alien presence on Earth is likely in the psychic realm; and if they assume shape it would be spectral.

    Replies: @jamie b., @Morton's toes

    In the words of Rob Reiner’s mom I’ll have what sunbaked is having.

  137. @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    Mylar must have been pretty alien-looking in 1947.

    Replies: @Anon, @syonredux, @gutta percha

    Heck, in 1954, plastic was regarded as some kind of miraculous substance:

    • Replies: @photondancer
    @syonredux

    Fascinating - I had no idea plastic made from sugar cane was known so long ago. If only we'd stuck with it instead of using petroleum-based polymers instead!

    Replies: @syonredux

    , @IAJ
    @syonredux

    What is miraculous is the positive representation of the can do American capitalist.

  138. @El Dato
    @brabantian

    > NASA leading us into a global government
    > Can't even govern itself, losing two shuttles because of organizational dementia

    You might be on to something.

    Replies: @donut

  139. @Athletic and Whitesplosive

    In the NYT’s comments, various people come up with plausible suggestions, such as that Berglas has 52 decks secreted around the room in groups of three, each deck sequenced in a different order. For example, the drawer to which he directs the interviewer might contain three decks in which the seven of diamonds might be the 43rd, 44th, or 45th cards. So, allowing the mark to choose one, at worst he could be off by two.
     
    It would be an impressive feat of memory to recall the numbered order of all 52 cards within 2 spots (e.g. drawer x has card y in spots 42-44), but even though it's possible I think it's somewhat implausible for another reason, how many "hiding spots" that he "hadn't touched in years" could he possibly have that wouldn't guve the game away in that room? He would need at least 17 (with one group of 4), maybe he had a huge dresser with plenty of space there, but if not then making the reporter dig under the couch or something for a deck might have sent up some red flags. The way the anecdote was described it also seemed like it was a single drawer very near where he was sitting (a side table), so if this huge cabinet existed he was lucky enough for the card/number to land on one of the less suspicious hiding spots.

    Replies: @Morton's toes

    That cheat appears to have bogus combinatorics.

    52 possible cards * 52 possible places in the deck means you have 2704 possible random spots. You don’t need 52 decks. You need 2700 decks. The only way you can do 52 is if the decks are not shuffled and lined up ace clubs -> king spades in sequence and then just cut.

    I don’t think that is how he did the trick.

  140. Anonymous[816] • Disclaimer says:

  141. People grossly overestimate the seriousness and reliability of retired Navy pilots and federal bureaucrats. If these UFO sightings were reported by your average hick with a repressed anal rape fantasy (why does the probe always go up the ass???) they’d be immediately brushed off considering the source. If you know and Navy pilots or federal bureaucrats, you’d realize they’re closer in reliability to Butt-Play Jethro than the Men in Black.

  142. @jb
    I can't pretend to know what is actually going on with those "sighting", but I have to say I consider the hypothesis of aliens to be wildly implausible. I mean, they traveled the depths of interstellar space so that they could spend all their time futzing around in the upper atmosphere just out of our view? Really? And out of 4.6 billion years of Earth's history they just coincidentally happened to show up now, during the brief 200 year period when humans have started to develop a technological society? Or have they been hanging around the entire time, but not mining or colonizing or anything, because they thought maybe we might show up some day? Again, really?

    It just doesn't make any sense. Whatever is going on, the origin is almost certainly here on Earth.

    Replies: @Known Fact

    And out of 4.6 billion years of Earth’s history they just coincidentally happened to show up now?

    Uh-uh — Ezekiel saw the wheel

    • Replies: @Ahem
    @Known Fact

    Try Zechariah Ch. 5 with a more coherent description than the word salad of Ezekiel.

    The alien who contacted Zeke was your usual mendacity spouting clown, but the only thing of interest in this chapter is that it is the only place in that Bronze Age collection of nonsense that describes angels as having stork like wings.

    I suggest a more modern translation than the King James version, such as the New Jerusalem Bible, or similar.

  143. @Paleo Liberal
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Carter has had an interesting life, that's for sure.

    I was born in the waning years of the Eisenhower administration.

    My opinion -- The most underrated Democrat and Republican presidents respectively were Carter and Ford. In effect, the economy was on the brink of ruin from a combination of LBJ's guns and butter, esp. the Vietnam War, and the oil embargoes from OPEC, which could be as much or more Nixon's fault as Ford and Carter's. Ford and Carter essentially patched the economy up with duct tape, and were blamed for their circumstances. Carter oversaw the greatest job creation up to that time, and also appointed Volker to the Fed to clean up the large inflation. Some claim that Volker did a lot more than Reagan to clean up the economy. I don't know. In effect, Ford and Carter were average presidents who served in difficult times. Neither started a war.

    The most overrated D and R? Kennedy and Reagan. Let's face it, their fans, including much of the media, were in love with these guys. Their supporters acted like they walked on water. In reality, they were above average presidents who were extremely charismatic, and thus their fans put them in the Pantheon.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    My opinion

    The economy wasn’t ruined. It was suffering some dysfunctions brought about by bad policy.

    Congress and the Nixon administration generated physical shortages by instituting price controls. The price controls were in response to inflation generated by expansionary monetary policy. The Fed could and eventually did restabilize prices by controlling the growth of monetary aggregates. The administrations in charge during the period running from 1966 to 1981 were disinclined to do that because you had to take a hit politically for the recession that such controls would produce and because the Federal Reserve was (from 1970 to 1978) run by Arthur Burns, who had through imbibing current literature in macroeconomics, persuaded himself that instituting monetary controls to contain inflation would be unsuccessful. IIRC, James Tobin was advising Jimmy Carter ca. 1980 that it would take 15 years to re-stabilize prices and it wasn’t worth it. It actually took less than two years and about four years for the growth trajectory to return to the long-term trendline.

    Note, Lyndon Johnson twisted the arm of the Fed Chair of the time (Wm. Martin) to institute monetary stimulus, something he resisted doing in 1965-66. He retired in 1970 and was replaced with Burns, who made a dog’s breakfast of the job.

  144. As for doctors washing their hands, the efforts of Semmelweis and Holmes Sr. had only limited effect. What finally changed things was the death of President Garfield in 1881. What was a completely survivable gunshot wound resulted in his hideous death because several doctors insisted on probing the wound channel with their unwashed fingers.

    • Thanks: Joseph Doaks
  145. @Steve Sailer
    @El Dato

    Stanislaw Lem is pretty great.

    Replies: @alaska3636, @Known Fact, @Bardon Kaldian

    Lem is the most intellectual & conceptually original sci-fi author (I wouldn’t call him the greatest, because I don’t think any sci-fi writing is “great”-the same goes for romance novels, fantasy,…or any other genre fiction). His best fiction, in my opinion, is “His Master’s Voice”, and his most challenging book is a long philosophical meditation “Summa Technologiae”.

    His works can be downloaded here:

    Summa Techologiae

    http://libgen.rs/book/index.php?md5=4C55E44EBDAA0CBE3C2889AED849EC01

    http://libgen.rs/book/index.php?md5=6CF3F500262B96A91FEFDA1B6C915C1E

    His Master’s Voice

    http://libgen.rs/book/index.php?md5=D3CC7DFDD96CCF211ED008BD9C15FA90

    Solaris

    http://libgen.rs/book/index.php?md5=BDC2D6DFDAC09075BA1B1BB8F6C9CE10

    http://libgen.rs/book/index.php?md5=6D355582079CF1CAE3FA0A9648ED0613

    Stanislaw Lem Reader

    http://libgen.rs/book/index.php?md5=E2F260CE65E15B00CF04BC5AAD050134

    • Thanks: Morton's toes
  146. @Anon
    There's a book that came out in 1995 during the last UFO mania (Roswell, alien abduction, gray-style body shape aliens first appeared in media). The book, Watch the Skies, by Curtis Peebles, is a historical walk through these every quarter century UFO things. They are all the same. The same people show up. The same claims are made. The same excuses are concocted. The same authorities are rolled out. The same conspiracies are claimed. The book is not available in Kindle, unfortunately.

    When seen in this kind of a historical perspective, it's easy to see how fake it all is.

    By the way, Neil deGrasse Tyson came out of #metoo'd semi-media retirement to denounce this UFO stuff on Rogan, and he's pretty good at it. When every Karen incident is livestreamed, why are all the UFO (= aliens) things blurry black and white video?, he asked Rogan. Rogan: Because the aliens live in the sea to avoid being seen by people, so only aircraft-carrier jets come across them. Joe, my man, you've been smoking too much ganja!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1u0VDFppCI4

    By the way, Roswell turned out not to be a weather balloon, but rather an H-bomb isotope-detecting balloon from the upper atmosphere. It seems mylar was really amazing to rural ranchers in the 1940s, and seemed like a miracle metal.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Hangnail Hans, @Nathan, @Hapalong Cassidy, @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    Take a look at the green-bordered picture here. Has anyone ever seen an explanation of the lettering, numbers, and shapes superimposed on the picture.?

    • Replies: @Easy Pete
    @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    Yeah, stars academy or some such on youtube explains all symbology present on those two videos.

  147. @jamie b.
    @SunBakedSuburb

    Must be fun to just make up meaningless baloney out of thin air, without worrying about things like evidence or logic.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    “Must be fun to just make up meaningless baloney”

    Yes, it is fun. And sometimes it pays well.

  148. Those Transient Luminous Events also generate VLF signals that can be picked by radio receivers with the appropriate antennas.

    Lightning discharges emit intense optical and acoustic energy, in the form of lightning and thunder, respectively, but a large amount of energy is emitted as radio-frequency electromagnetic pulses (EMP). These pulses can be detected thousands of kilometers away, thanks to efficient propagation in the waveguide formed by the conducting Earth and the overlying ionosphere. In addition, intense discharges interact with the overlying ionosphere at 80-100 km altitude. The EMP-ionosphere interaction is directly observed in one manifestation as the bright transient optical emissions known as “elves”, but in addition, the interaction can directly modify the free electron density in the nighttime lower ionosphere. Modifications of the ionospheric electron density can be detected via subionospheric Very Low Frequency (VLF) remote sensing. In this method, coherent signals from powerful VLF transmitters, built for submarine communication and operated by the Navy, are monitored and their amplitude and phase are tracked in time. The variations of these signais are used to sense ionospheric modifications through rapid changes in the received amplitude and/or phase when the transmitted signal propagates through an ionospheric perturbation. When these perturbations are caused by lightning, they are known as “Early VLF” perturbations, due to the negligible delay between the lightning discharge and the appearance of the VLF signal change, whereas lightning-induced electron precipitation (LEP) events have a delay of 1–2 seconds. In this work, correlations between VLF signatures and optical events are used to show that these Early VLF events may be the signature of ionospheric modification by in-cloud (IC) lightning discharges. While the more impressive cloud-to-ground (CG) lightning discharges are more commonly observed and better understood, they are outnumbered in occurrence 3:1 by IC discharges, whose effects may be relatively stronger in the overlying ionosphere. We use a 3D time-domain model of the lightning EMP-ionosphere interaction to calculate expected ionospheric density changes from IC discharges. We find that bursts of IC-EMPs can significantly modify the lower ionosphere, with both increases and decreases in electron density. We then use a frequency-domain model of the VLF transmitter signal propagation in the Earth-ionosphere waveguide to a receiver to show that these density changes are consistent with measurements. Our results demonstrate that these Early VLF events, which are ubiquitous in VLF data, are signatures of the effects of in-cloud lightning, and that they can be used to quantify the effects of IC lightning on the ionosphere during an intense thunderstorm.

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/234312978_Very_low_frequency_radio_signatures_of_transient_luminous_events_above_thunderstorms

  149. @Jaybird
    In the early 1980s my wife and I were taking an afternoon stroll on a clear and cloudless day on a public footpath outside of Stuttgart, Germany when a silver colored, cigar shaped object flew into our line of sight and hovered long enough for us to discuss what it might be. Since the object was in the proximity of the Stuttgart Airport landing pattern we assumed it was some experimental aircraft. It had no markings or windows or wings. Suddenly it accelerated toward the heavens until it vanished as a dot in the sky. It made no noise and there was no vapor trail. We checked the local news upon returning home and there was no mention of it. So much for being picked up by radar.

    Naturally, like pilots with similar sightings, we did not rush to dine out on the experience and shared the story with very few over the years.

    Your guess is as good as mine as to what it was, what it was up to, and why. What it definitely was not was a jointly shared hallucination.

    Replies: @Old Prude

    ” the object was in the proximity of the Stuttgart Airport landing pattern”.

    Near the Stuttgart airport is a plaque commemorating the flight of Graf Zeppelin’s first dirigible, which happened there in Echterdingen. Perhaps what you saw was the good count coming back from the sixth dimension to show-off his latest contraption.

  150. People keep seeing Bigfoot. Despite not a shred of credible physical evidence outside hoaxsters fake foot prints. Nothing on trail cams, and a paucity of food to eat outside deer. Deer that have been preyed upon always show either mountain lion or wolves or human hunters. Nothing like a tool using giant hominid. Same with the Loch Ness Monster, there is not enough food there to feed such a creature. Yet people still keep seeing it and most are not sensation seeking people but sober middle class folk.

    Likely, Bigfoot sightings are bears with mange, standing upright, being mistaken for a hominid. Occam’s Razor not butterknife. Likely, according to Rivermonsters presenter Jeremy Wade, Nessie is a Greenland Shark that following seals in spring floods every 30 years or so gets into Loch Ness for a brief period and then leaves. Its a rare shark, has almost no dorsal fin, does not look much like a shark, has been videoed in the St. Lawrence Seaway in fresh water in less than 10 feet, does pursue seals, so that is at least plausible.

    There are very likely optical and electro-magnetic phenomena that people are seeing, over and over again, but are not able to recognize. You can see something without recognizing what exactly it is if a person does not have a reference point in mind. The Aztecs could not see the Spanish ships as boats, they thought they were floating clouds come down to the sea. They had no frame of reference.

    Just as there is not enough food in Loch Ness to support a resident Nessie, there is no way something can travel far in excess of the speed of sound without sonic booms. Or make rapid u turns at that speed. I am sure given the length of reports by sober and respectable military pilots they are seeing something. But its not UFOs.

    What is terrifying is that likely most in the Government including the current and past Presidents and their staff actually BELIEVE in Alien Spacecraft. “Floating Cloud Mountains” instead of far more deadly ships from far away. When the ruling class cannot distinguish fantasy from reality, you get Jonestown and Revolutionary Suicide or Pol Pot.

    • Agree: JMcG, Joseph Doaks
    • Thanks: photondancer
  151. @ThreeCranes
    Zeus and his cronies are rising from their centuries-long slumber. Zeus, wielder of the thunderbolt--in today's jargon, plasma--is giving us advanced warning that he and his crew are back and mean to do something about the current state of affairs among men. This happens only at rare intervals in human times and that fact accounts for the debates which occurred even in the time of the Trojan War when Zeus spoke of how humans blame all their troubles upon Fate, or the actions of the Olympian Gods and Goddesses. Zeus insists that the Gods are not to blame, yet they do intervene and definitely favor some one individual over another. This sometimes favoring and sometimes ignoring human affairs is what gives the debate such fervor, as operant conditioning has found that an entirely random, intermittent system of reward and punishment is the most effective at eliciting response in the lab subject.

    Aristotle was aware of the existence of transcendent luminous happenings in the upper atmosphere as well. What Plato took to be the Divine Form of things and concepts, rotating in a clear luminous sphere high above the corrupting effect of base materiality, Aristotle postulated as existence of the realm of Final Causes--that towards which each and everything strives to become. There's something out there which in some sense draws all things to their completion. We all intuit the truth of this. Some of those whom we knew in high school meet a doom which had to us, even then, seemed their just end while others went on to great things, for which they too, seem fated by destiny. Each thing then aspires to embody that which is its essence and that essence seems to have been conferred upon we mortals by a more powerful race of beings, of which these luminous phantoms seem to be a shadow.

    The Olympians influence human affairs also finds testimony in John Calvin's notion of predestination. It's a bit of a confused affair in which, while you, as a mere mortal, can do nothing to earn Salvation, since that would imply that you somehow gave God something which would indicate that in some manner He lacked something and that, because He is omniscient and omnipotent is clearly impossible and a blasphemy; the facts on the ground indicate that some of us ARE more favored than others and this clearly is God's Plan so therefore in some sense PREDESTINED. And how do we know who is the recipient of this GRACE? Why, because they are WELL TO DO. And how do we know this? Well, because their lawns are neatly mowed and their cars are shiny from their recent wash and wax!

    So there is evidence that humans have been dimly aware of these Transient Luminous Events for quite some time, from earliest recorded history down to present days. Of late, skepticism has taken the field as, since roughly the writings of John Locke, intellectuals have demanded empirical proof of a thing's existence and this has meant reproducibility on demand, a thing which the Gods just don't condescend to do upon the request of a puny human.

    So, Zeus is unlimbering his thunderbolt from its quiver. The Middle East blasphemers will be smitten. The Great Indo-European pantheon of Gods and Goddesses shall be restored. The signs are everywhere and easily evident for those who have eyes to see.

    Replies: @peterike

    The Great Indo-European pantheon of Gods and Goddesses shall be restored. The signs are everywhere and easily evident for those who have eyes to see.

    So maybe it’s worth while to, I dunno, sacrifice a goat to Zeus? I mean, can’t hurt. Except for the goat.

  152. In September 1991, I witnessed a low-flying, low-speed black triangle flying over the beach from my apartment balcony in Orange County CA early in the evening (about 8 pm). It looked smaller than a 747 but larger than a 707. It was going at about 50-100 mph, far too slow to keep a regular aircraft airborne. It had red and white lights on the underside while keeping barely 100 yards altitude flying northwest towards Long Beach. While I could hear the traffic noise from the Pacific Coast Highway barely 50 feet to my right, I could hear nothing from this large craft barely 200 yards away.

    I ran into the house to turn on the TV and radio, since I couldn’t believe I was the only witness to this phenomenon in such a heavily populated part of southern California. But there was nothing on any of the channels or on KNX news radio. I had to go to work the next day, but grabbed a copy of the LA Times after work and went through it page by page. No mention.

    The Gulf War had ended earlier that year, but while some might suggest it was a B-2 bomber which had gotten a lot of fawning press after the war, I don’t recall any description of that plane’s supposed silence capability along with its touted radar-invisibility. Since this was before the Internet became a thing, I put the incident out of my mind since I couldn’t get any answers anyway.

    If one does a websearch for “Black Triangle UFOs” you will get hundreds of hits and eyewitness testimonies, some with pics and video. They are real and from the best available evidence, are of extraterrestrial origin.

    The best treatment of this topic is the documentary film UFOs: Out of the Blue by James Fox. The director interviews luminaries such as astronauts Gordon Cooper and James Mitchell, Arizona Gov. Fyfe Symington, Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter, and several Air Force personnel, including Generals who were witnesses to these phenomena.

    The interview with Cooper, who as one of the “Right Stuff” Mercury astronauts comes as the most credible source who actually filmed a flying saucer landing on a dry lake bed at Edwards Air Force base in the 50s, lends great credibility to the view that UFOs are real and are not imaginary. I would think one part of having the right stuff is not having hallucinatory episodes while on earth.

    I’d say by now the burden of proof have shifted to those who believe to those that don’t believe to make their case.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Hamlet's Ghost

    I’ve seen B-2 flybys at Air Shows several times. One effect of their stealth-required exhaust nozzle positioning is that they are notably quiet from the ground.

    , @Anon
    @Hamlet's Ghost

    https://youtu.be/656VqWTnKmw

    You might find that interesting as well.

    Replies: @Hamlet's Ghost

  153. “Transient Luminous Events”
    similar to rogue waves, which were largely denied by the scientific community despite naval witnesses for decades. finally in the 80s or 90s, when camcorders were a thing, guys started recording videos of giant waves coming out of nowhere and sinking their blue water rated ships. unlike TLE though, mathematicians had suggested that rogue waves would have been extremely rare events that might happen once every 10,000 years ‘per the math’, which turned out to be really inaccurate.

    “Anyway, I’m getting off the topic of UFOs, so what do you think is going on?”
    robot alien spacecraft, exactly the same thing NASA does in our solar system. and beyond, since Voyager.

    serious US military investigation of UFOs is old, not new. Air Force hired Allen Hynek to investigate the UFO phenomenon in the 1950s.

    “I haven’t heard much from civilian airliner pilots about these recent UFO sightings.”

    probably because this stuff is all Gen3+ nightvision or FLIR. which the civilian craft largely don’t have. this is also why it appears low res, in response to UFO skeptic objections that it’s not in 4K movie camera quality.

    serious civilian and FAA encounters were covered in the 1986 UFO case over Alaska. and a few others. the credible cases are real, real in the sense that it had to be craft of some kind. but the pilots are reluctant to ever talk about them, for career reasons.

  154. @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/swshipman/status/1396809514385563650?s=20

    https://twitter.com/FamedCelebrity/status/1397675102242705409?s=20

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Alden

    Great post Protestants jews atheists communists and liberals make fun about “ how many angels can dance on the head of a pin”? That was the question, how small is small and can we find anything smaller, like protons and neutrons. Or the beginning of physics. Scholastic method now known as the scientific method.

    Although the scientific method was discarded for the blacketty, blacketty black feminazi method decades ago.

  155. every new advance in detection equipment may produce new observations which are hard to explain at first. improvement in telescopes and space detection was possibly the reason that Oumuamua was detected. contra Avi Loeb, there may have been many objects like Oumuamua flying thru the solar system for billions of years. maybe they only appear every once in a while, but they’ve been there forever, and we’re only now detecting them, like gravitational waves.

    detection of even asteroids is not that good right now, since even decent sized ones reflect few photons and are hard to see on their way in. so for now, there’s not much reason to object on the grounds that “if there were UFOs flying here, we would see them flying here on their way in”. uh, no, we barely detect space rocks slowly flying in to hit us. and that’s without them deliberately not wanting to be seen on the way in or out.

    FLIR certainly has had this effect on military aircraft. it’s likely that most questionable FLIR observations are misidentification or malfunctions. military pilots generally know what they’re looking at since they do this stuff all day every day, but they might make a mistake here or there thru newish equipment. as radiologists sometimes make mistakes when they get your CT or MRI results. even after working on them for decades, expert veterans get radiology reports wrong once in a while.

    this was the case for Jaime Maussan, the leading UFO researcher in Mexico, when he began to get FLIR info 15 years ago, but was confused about what he was seeing. he started reporting craft sightings, but they were terrestrial objects in motion. however, this is not the case 100% of the time. like radar readings since the 1950s, a few FLIR detections might be hard to explain as anything other than craft.

  156. “are the military pilots consistently describing a change in this phenomenon over the decades”

    military radar and sonar operators have reported about the same thing since the 50s when radars and sonars became prevalent. once in a blue moon, there is detection of something that had to be a craft, doing something that no known earth craft could do. was it a secret craft that the other side was working on? or something else. reports have come in from every major cold war participant over the decades. Soviet, British, Belgian, and Iranian radar people all have their couple specific, scary cases.

  157. The current UFO news is nothing more than the beginning of the controller’s next terrorism campaign.

    We’ve been through Islamic terrorism, global warming, mortgage crisis, mass shootings, Covid, Black crime, BLM/Antifa riots and even WAP (wet ass pussy). All were valuable in creating fear in, and demoralizing the population. UFO’s will become their latest terror weapon.

  158. On the heels of the fake pandemic and fake election?

    Hmmm.

    Oh yeah, it’s more poorly crafted bullshit to usher in the “New Age”…lol

  159. @Nathan
    @Anon

    Ugh. It's grainy black and white footage because it's white-hot infrared. It's better than high definition video because it shows there is a physical object present and it isn't an optical trick.

    De Grasse Tyson is such a fraud.

    Replies: @Anon, @guest007, @epebble, @Mr. Anon

    Ugh. It’s grainy black and white footage because it’s white-hot infrared.

    Or, it’s shiny (like a Mylar balloon) and reflecting light from something hot like – oh, let’s say for example – the Sun.

    • Replies: @Nathan
    @Mr. Anon

    Sure, maybe. These things also seem to move fast and move in ways that challenge our assumptions about how physical objects move in the atmosphere. We should consider new ways to track and measure these objects (if they are objects) or phenomena.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  160. @Polistra

    What Do You Think About the UFO Sightings?
     
    Pfft. The Important Question is what do UFOs think about Restorative Racial Justice? Hopefully they're smart enough to have picked up that being non-racist isn't enough any more. And what do they think about George Floyd, PBUH?

    I'd say these extra-terrestrials have a lot of questions to answer, right off the bat. What the Men and Women of UNZ have to say can wait.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Poli, I will say it again. I would welcome a space alien invasion if they turned all the politicians into fertilizer and ruled us with an even hand for the next eight years. But why does Hollywood always portray beings capable of intergalactic travel as looking like the “Predator?”

  161. @Hapalong Cassidy
    I’m inclined to believe that otherworldly visitors are in fact real. I don’t think they come from other systems because of the relative impossibility of near-light speed travel over long distances. I’m more inclined to believe they come from another dimension. From the little I know of quantum physics, it does support the idea of parallel universes.

    Replies: @El Dato

    From the little I know of quantum physics, it does support the idea of parallel universes.

    Not really. It does, however, support the notion of (quite mysteriosuly) using complex-valued probability density functions in the same ways as a physical fluid, unlike in classical probability theory, where it is just an expression of observer-relative lack of information (and thus of the domain of epistemology, not of physics).

  162. @MEH 0910
    Close Encounters of the Third Kind Air Traffic Control Scene with airport deleted scene included.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gRdt7qkSW4

    Siskel & Ebert review Close Encounters of the Third Kind 1977
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2DAK1V7UyI

    Gene Siskel and Roger Ebert review Close Encounters of the Third Kind in 1977, probably December based on the holiday themed commercials also on the tape.
     

    Replies: @El Dato, @Mr. Anon

    Thanks for the clip. I had never before seen that last scene at the airport. I wish they had kept it in the released version.

    That ATC scene was one of my favorite scenes from an all-round great movie. Spielberg really was at the top of his form with Close Encounters. He was able to develop an incredible sense of wonder, suspense, and fear from a few guys sitting around a console talking to a few other guys over the radio. Many of the performers in that scene including the main one were actual working air traffic controllers, which brought a lot of verisimilitude to the scene. I had read that he got bit by the acting bug after his part in this movie and tried to make a career of it, but it didn’t take. Too bad…..he was good at it.

  163. @Morton's toes
    I would rather discuss doctors not washing their hands. Back in the 1980's a group of rascally sociology students at Tulane set up a hidden camera at a huge convention of surgeons in New Orleans inside the men's bathroom and counted how many of the convention attendees washed their hands after handling their junk.

    < 50%

    Also Simmelweis didn't go nuts until after they kept him locked up in the psychiatric hospital for a couple years. He was perfectly fine when they decided they had to put him away.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Mort, well you know, my junk is clean and it is my hands that are dirty, so should I wash my hands first before dragging it out or rinse off Mr. Happy at the sink in the Mens Room when I am done peeing? Your call. Stay safe.

  164. @Rockford Tyson
    They tried to approach t6he craft. The aliens laughed at them and *instantly* accelerated to Mach 15! They completely disabled all the ICBMs inside a silo just to show they can. https://youtu.be/yTaG9o_WgOI

    Bob Lazar, a physicist who claims to have worked on of these craft,speculated how the craft works. He said it utilizes an anti-gravity engine. A miniature particle accelerator bombards the element 115(Ununpentium) . When the protons decay, they generate a gravity fiel Then, thee gravity waves are channeled through tubes that contain a coil and electromagnetic field that channels those gravity waves. It's not propulsion, but rather repulsion. The gravity waves distort space, "compressing" the distance between the craft and the target. And because gravity bends time and space itself, that allows the craft to travel millions of light-years instantly. According to Laza, there are no wires or moving parts. The craft is controlled by th0ught. The mainframe is a computer that has biological parts in it, which allows it to capture thought waves. The outr part of the craft is composed of an alloy that bends but does not break, and resists to .50 cal fire without even a tiny nick or bent. Lazar said that it is something so unfathomably advanced that understand the principles of technology even on a primary level took months of brainstorming. Trying to reserve engineering the technology was an absolute failure. As Lazar said:

    "We were like Neanderthals trying to understand how a modern personal computer or jet engine works. We didn't have a clue, and we couldn't possibly have a clue"

    He said that craft has several small chairs inside, like for children.He claims a description about those beings was given. Thye are 4' tall,with heads over twice the size that of a human. They do not have sexual reprodution, a function that atrophied as they have been reproducing through cloning and implantation of designer genes for tens of thousands of years. Their biology is not entirely Carbon-based,and partly silicon-based.They are also semi-mechanic as well, as nano machines the size of molecules permeate their cells.They no longer have an immune system, as they steriliazed the entire biospheres of the several planets they inhabit eons ago from all viruses and bacterias. Despite their lack of an immune system, their cells are extremely difficult to infect as they are silicon-based and the surface proteins are not really compatible with any Earth pathogen, They live individually for up to 90,000 Earth years, as their proteins are extremely stable, and their DNA does not experience telomere attrition.They also have ovr 100 X the amounts of superoxide dismutase and catalase that humans have, which protects their DNA from both oxidative stress and ionizing radiation. They breathe oxygen like we do, but find it very difficult to breathe on Earth due to the lower amount of nitrogen in Earth's air. Their muscles and skin apparently are a same organ, and they have a single organ that performs the functions that, in humans, would be performed separately by the jidneys and liver. They eat a concentrated gel of proteins and glucose polymers. they cannot digest solid food, due to atrophy of their digestive system due to evolution. Their excretion is done though the skin, which is why they have a strong odor of ammonia. Their brains are twice the size of ours, and the frontal cortex is three times larger, and with many more convolutions. Based on this, they estimated they have IQs around 385, They also are unemotional by humans standards, as the structure of their brains equivalent to the lymbic system atrophied over eons.

    The story is that they visited Earth 25 million years ago,trying to identify potential species that could develop intelligence and a civilization. They identified a small lemur-like creature as a potential candidate. That lemur-like creature is. They visited periodically since then.

    The story goes is tha Earth is being quarantined. Since the development of nuclear weapons, the aliens are concerned with our war-like tendencies, and that we could spread throughout the Universe with our ideas in a few hundre thousand years, which is a very short space of time for them.So they are concerned. What the aliens are most concerned with, though, is that we have nukes but we don't speak with a single coice. The World is divided into nmational and religious blocks. With nukes and without a central control of them, that is a problem.

    Replies: @JMcG, @They Drew First Blood, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Lockean Proviso, @Anon

    The story is that they visited Earth 25 million years ago,trying to identify potential species that could develop intelligence and a civilization. They identified a small lemur-like creature as a potential candidate. That lemur-like creature is. They visited periodically since then.

    The story goes is tha Earth is being quarantined. Since the development of nuclear weapons, the aliens are concerned with our war-like tendencies, and that we could spread throughout the Universe with our ideas in a few hundre thousand years, which is a very short space of time for them.So they are concerned. What the aliens are most concerned with, though, is that we have nukes but we don’t speak with a single coice. The World is divided into nmational and religious blocks. With nukes and without a central control of them, that is a problem.

    This is an End Times deception. These beings are fallen angels/ demons, and they are masquerading as aliens to get humanity to deny God as the creator and to unite to follow the Antichrist.

    The past year has been a massive assault on Christianity and preparation for “revelation of ‘aliens’,” with whom our Satanic high-level elites have been working for a long time. Historic white European civilization was blessed with cooperation, beauty, intelligence, innovation, bravery, and discovery in order to have the drive, power, and clout to spread the Gospel to the world in the Great Commission in conjunction with natural expression of expansion and growth. But now that many of us have abandoned God and our civilization spreads the toxic filth of GloboHomo, He has withdrawn His favor and we are entering a time when envy, spite, and persecution are being visited upon white people. Things are going to get interesting.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
    • Thanks: The Wild Geese Howard
    • Replies: @Rockford Tyson
    @Lockean Proviso

    Paranoia at it's best.

    And you use "Christianity" and "white civilization" in the same sentence with no irony, when Christinaity is actually Jewish, and the ancestors of white peoples like the Celts and the Germanics would all reject Christianity as a weak and effete philosophy. There is nothing more anti-Indo-European in it's values and origins than Christinaity!

  165. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_power

    https://www.skeptic.com/junior_skeptic/issue23/interview_Toth/

    [MORE]

    When researching for Junior Skeptic #23: “Pyramid Power”, I conducted a lengthy fact-finding interview with author Max Toth, whose 1970s book Pyramid Power propelled this paranormal concept to pop culture fad status. Toth turned out to be a genial and generous source regarding the history and business of pyramid power.

    One of the primary activities of organized skeptics is to function as historians of paranormal claims. In this role, paranormal proponents are crucially important partners and allies to skeptical investigators. (I am reminded of Harry Houdini’s friendly conversations with “spirit medium” pioneer Ira Davenport. Davenport was a source of historical information that was simply not available anywhere else — the secrets of the Davenport Brothers mediumship act — and he was generous enough to share that unique knowledge with Houdini.)

    Toth was happy to reminisce about his role in generating a pop phenomenon, and we’re pleased to present most of that rambling conversation here. Readers are cautioned that this transcript is edited only very lightly, and offered as essentially raw historical data. I found it very useful.

    —Daniel Loxton

  166. @guest007
    A good undergraduate physics problem used to be to calculate the energy required to accelerate an object up to say 90% of the spread of light and then deaccelerate the object back down to orbital speed. A bonus object would be to do the calculation using different efficiencies of engine. A second bonus would be to calculate the time dilation from the trip.

    Replies: @El Dato

    You don’t just rocket your way into the Galaxy. You swoosh in style as a virtual construct that can be run or halted by the operating system, and for whom long travel times just mean that the Galaxy has rotated a bit more.

    Waiting to be cloned one thousand times and scattered across ten million cubic light-years, Paolo Venetti relaxed in his favorite ceremonial bathtub: a tiered hexagonal pool set in a courtyard of black marble flecked with gold. Paolo wore full traditional anatomy, uncomfortable garb at first, but the warm currents flowing across his back and shoulders slowly eased him into a pleasant torpor. He could have reached the same state in an instant, by decree — but the occasion seemed to demand the complete ritual of verisimilitude, the ornate curlicued longhand of imitation physical cause and effect.

    As the moment of diaspora approached, a small gray lizard darted across the courtyard, claws scrabbling. It halted by the far edge of the pool, and Paolo marveled at the delicate pulse of its breathing, and watched the lizard watching him, until it moved again, disappearing into the surrounding vineyards. The environment was full of birds and insects, rodents and small reptiles — decorative in appearance, but also satisfying a more abstract aesthetic: softening the harsh radial symmetry of the lone observer; anchoring the simulation by perceiving it from a multitude of viewpoints. Ontological guy lines. No one had asked the lizards if they wanted to be cloned, though. They were coming along for the ride, like it or not.

    The sky above the courtyard was warm and blue, cloudless and sunless, isotropic. Paolo waited calmly, prepared for every one of half a dozen possible fates.

    An invisible bell chimed softly, three times. Paolo laughed, delighted.

    One chime would have meant that he was still on Earth: an anti-climax, certainly — but there would have been advantages to compensate for that. Everyone who really mattered to him lived in the Carter-Zimmerman polis, but not all of them had chosen to take part in the diaspora to the same degree; his Earth-self would have lost no one. Helping to ensure that the thousand ships were safely dispatched would have been satisfying, too. And remaining a member of the wider Earth-based community, plugged into the entire global culture in real-time, would have been an attraction in itself.

    Two chimes would have meant that this clone of Carter-Zimmerman had reached a planetary system devoid of life. Paolo had run a sophisticated – but non-sapient – self-predictive model before deciding to wake under those conditions. Exploring a handful of alien worlds, however barren, had seemed likely to be an enriching experience for him — with the distinct advantage that the whole endeavor would be untrammeled by the kind of elaborate precautions necessary in the presence of alien life. C-Z’s population would have fallen by more than half and many of his closest friends would have been absent – but he would have forged new friendships, he was sure.

    Four chimes would have signaled the discovery of intelligent aliens. Five, a technological civilization. Six, spacefarers.

    Three chimes, though, meant that the scout probes had detected unambiguous signs of life — and that was reason enough for jubilation. Up until the moment of the pre-launch cloning — a subjective instant before the chimes had sounded — no reports of alien life had ever reached Earth. There’d been no guarantee that any part of the diaspora would find it.

    Paolo willed the polis library to brief him; it promptly rewired the declarative memory of his simulated traditional brain with all the information he was likely to need to satisfy his immediate curiosity. This clone of C-Z had arrived at Vega, the second closest of the thousand target stars, twenty-seven light-years from Earth. Paolo closed his eyes and visualized a star map with a thousand lines radiating out from the sun, then zoomed in on the trajectory which described his own journey. It had taken three centuries to reach Vega – but the vast majority of the polis’s twenty thousand inhabitants had programmed their exoselves to suspend them prior to the cloning, and to wake them only if and when they arrived at a suitable destination. Ninety-two citizens had chosen the alternative: experiencing every voyage of the diaspora from start to finish, risking disappointment, and even death. Paolo now knew that the ship aimed at Fomalhaut, the target nearest Earth, had been struck by debris and annihilated en route. He mourned the ninety-two, briefly. He hadn’t been close to any of them, prior to the cloning, and the particular versions who’d willfully perished two centuries ago in interstellar space seemed as remote as the victims of some ancient calamity from the era of flesh.

    Greg Egan
    Published 1995 in “New Legends”, edited by Greg Bear and Martin H. Greenberg
    A modified version of this story appears in Greg Egan’s Novel “Diaspora”, 1998

    • Thanks: vhrm
  167. Anonymous[144] • Disclaimer says:

    It would take waaaaay more than 52 decks.

  168. • Replies: @Sean
    @Johnny Rico

    Another fellow who needs to watch what he is smoking


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avi_Loeb#Panspermia
    In public interviews and private communications with reporters and academic colleagues, Loeb has become more and more vocal regarding the prospects of proving the existence of alien life.[56]

    On April 16, 2019, Loeb and Siraj reported the discovery of the first meteor of interstellar origin.[12]

    Extraterrestrial: The First Sign of Intelligent Life Beyond Earth, a popular science account concerning 'Oumuamua, written by Loeb, was published in 2021.[57][58][59]
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsoPOOJdJHM


    She also has one "Whatever Happened to Life on Venus?". There is a long history of such startling underassessed assertions making headlines and then getting quietly withdrawn

    Replies: @Nathan

  169. Well according to the TV series “Ancient Aliens” every ancient structure from the pyramids to Machu Pichu were built by space aliens who apparently were pagans because the same aliens had nothing to do with the construction of the magnificent and lofty Cathedrals.

  170. @Known Fact
    @Known Fact

    Oops, I meant to point out FYI that the all-white outfit is a telltale sign you're dealing with extraterrestrial visitors

    Replies: @Lockean Proviso

    Maybe Boss Hogg’s powers were otherworldly?

    https://images.app.goo.gl/eG5c97iHRM3L2GvG6

  171. Assume there are NSA memos on the threats to the United States, one of which is break up of the United States due to irreconcilable political division. Each memo will have a “solution”. When the political division is so great as proven by X, Y and Z, make people think an alien invasion is imminent, as a method of producing an artificial unity. Call it Plan 9 from Outer Space.

  172. @Hamlet's Ghost
    In September 1991, I witnessed a low-flying, low-speed black triangle flying over the beach from my apartment balcony in Orange County CA early in the evening (about 8 pm). It looked smaller than a 747 but larger than a 707. It was going at about 50-100 mph, far too slow to keep a regular aircraft airborne. It had red and white lights on the underside while keeping barely 100 yards altitude flying northwest towards Long Beach. While I could hear the traffic noise from the Pacific Coast Highway barely 50 feet to my right, I could hear nothing from this large craft barely 200 yards away.

    I ran into the house to turn on the TV and radio, since I couldn't believe I was the only witness to this phenomenon in such a heavily populated part of southern California. But there was nothing on any of the channels or on KNX news radio. I had to go to work the next day, but grabbed a copy of the LA Times after work and went through it page by page. No mention.

    The Gulf War had ended earlier that year, but while some might suggest it was a B-2 bomber which had gotten a lot of fawning press after the war, I don't recall any description of that plane's supposed silence capability along with its touted radar-invisibility. Since this was before the Internet became a thing, I put the incident out of my mind since I couldn't get any answers anyway.

    If one does a websearch for "Black Triangle UFOs" you will get hundreds of hits and eyewitness testimonies, some with pics and video. They are real and from the best available evidence, are of extraterrestrial origin.

    The best treatment of this topic is the documentary film UFOs: Out of the Blue by James Fox. The director interviews luminaries such as astronauts Gordon Cooper and James Mitchell, Arizona Gov. Fyfe Symington, Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter, and several Air Force personnel, including Generals who were witnesses to these phenomena.

    The interview with Cooper, who as one of the "Right Stuff" Mercury astronauts comes as the most credible source who actually filmed a flying saucer landing on a dry lake bed at Edwards Air Force base in the 50s, lends great credibility to the view that UFOs are real and are not imaginary. I would think one part of having the right stuff is not having hallucinatory episodes while on earth.

    I'd say by now the burden of proof have shifted to those who believe to those that don't believe to make their case.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Anon

    I’ve seen B-2 flybys at Air Shows several times. One effect of their stealth-required exhaust nozzle positioning is that they are notably quiet from the ground.

  173. @Hamlet's Ghost
    In September 1991, I witnessed a low-flying, low-speed black triangle flying over the beach from my apartment balcony in Orange County CA early in the evening (about 8 pm). It looked smaller than a 747 but larger than a 707. It was going at about 50-100 mph, far too slow to keep a regular aircraft airborne. It had red and white lights on the underside while keeping barely 100 yards altitude flying northwest towards Long Beach. While I could hear the traffic noise from the Pacific Coast Highway barely 50 feet to my right, I could hear nothing from this large craft barely 200 yards away.

    I ran into the house to turn on the TV and radio, since I couldn't believe I was the only witness to this phenomenon in such a heavily populated part of southern California. But there was nothing on any of the channels or on KNX news radio. I had to go to work the next day, but grabbed a copy of the LA Times after work and went through it page by page. No mention.

    The Gulf War had ended earlier that year, but while some might suggest it was a B-2 bomber which had gotten a lot of fawning press after the war, I don't recall any description of that plane's supposed silence capability along with its touted radar-invisibility. Since this was before the Internet became a thing, I put the incident out of my mind since I couldn't get any answers anyway.

    If one does a websearch for "Black Triangle UFOs" you will get hundreds of hits and eyewitness testimonies, some with pics and video. They are real and from the best available evidence, are of extraterrestrial origin.

    The best treatment of this topic is the documentary film UFOs: Out of the Blue by James Fox. The director interviews luminaries such as astronauts Gordon Cooper and James Mitchell, Arizona Gov. Fyfe Symington, Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter, and several Air Force personnel, including Generals who were witnesses to these phenomena.

    The interview with Cooper, who as one of the "Right Stuff" Mercury astronauts comes as the most credible source who actually filmed a flying saucer landing on a dry lake bed at Edwards Air Force base in the 50s, lends great credibility to the view that UFOs are real and are not imaginary. I would think one part of having the right stuff is not having hallucinatory episodes while on earth.

    I'd say by now the burden of proof have shifted to those who believe to those that don't believe to make their case.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Anon

    You might find that interesting as well.

    • Replies: @Hamlet's Ghost
    @Anon

    Thanks for that. The great commonality of all these eye witness accounts is the silence of these craft.

    UFOs: Out of the Blue

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7_2RBbm2Ak&t=4s

  174. @Regret
    Probably not Aliens. That'd be too damn weird. They can cross interstellar distance with ships that pull physics defying stunts and use them to come dick around in our atmosphere? To what end?

    Probably not the Russians or Chinese. If they had toys like that, they'd be playing with them and not all sneaky like.

    Seems too confused to be disinformation.

    Can't hack the mk1 eyeball yet.

    I'll lay my guess on "unrecognized natural phenomena". Seems like the best bet of a sorry bunch.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @johnmark7

    Plasma electric magnetic phenomenon.

    From Thunderbolts:

    ?In 1956, Winston Harper Bostick demonstrated that an amorphous mass of high-velocity plasma has a natural ability to convert a large proportion of its kinetic energy into magnetic energy, contained in an organised toroidal structure. He called this structure a ‘plasmoid’.

    Archaeologist and Thunderbolts colleague Peter Mungo Jupp details the criteria of eyewitness accounts that some UFO sightings may in fact be plasmoids. They seem to possess an intelligence, rise and fall to the ground as though being flown, seem to fly in the direction of either magnetic pole, change shape, pulse, and can blink with multiple colours. This ubiquitous property of plasmoids is often recorded as UFO sightings.”

    https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2021/05/08/peter-mungo-jupp-ufo-or-plasmoid-thunderbolts/

  175. @jsinton
    I'd say the aliens are simply doing scientific studies and documentation, observing another "intelligent" world culture destroy itself, The "Prime Directive" doesn't allow them to save us.

    Replies: @G. Poulin

    Please, aliens, stop studying and documenting, and just nuke us already. I can’t take it anymore.

  176. @enochian
    @anonymous

    This seems like a silly idea - claiming that secret military weapons are aliens is going to draw more public attention to them, and more investigators, not less. And if the military was testing saucer shaped hypersonic aircraft in the 40s, why were civilians not flying in them in the 60s and 70s, and why are they not in aircraft museums today, 70 years later?

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Paul Mendez, @SaneClownPosse

    …claiming that secret military weapons are aliens is going to draw more public attention to them, and more investigators, not less.

    But it might make people keep quiet rather than be thought wacko.

    https://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/the-test-pilot-of-the-usafs-first-jet-fighter-dressed-as-a-gorilla-to-mess-with-other-pilots/

  177. Consider total eclipses of the Sun, with Bailly’s beads.

    So far as anyone knows, it is a remarkable coincidence that, as seen from the surface of the earth, the disc of the moon is the same size as the disc of the sun; a coincidence quite possibly making this planet unique in the Galaxy.

    If there are beings from other planets capable of hopping from star to star, as we can hop from continent to continent, solar eclipses would be an important incentive for actually doing so. If I hailed from a planet of Aldebaran, I would time my once in a lifetime visit to Earth so as to take in a total eclipse.

    And yet, I never once heard of a UFO sighting during a total eclipse of the sun.

    • Replies: @Ahem
    @Philip Neal

    Not really a remarkable coincidence at all.

    430 million years ago, during the Silurian period, the Moon was less than half its current distance from Earth and its apparent diameter was more than twice that of the Sun.

    A lunar cycle lasted nine days of 21 hours and the apparent area of the full Moon when full was more than double the area we can see today. In those days, and prior, it was always, weather permitting, a hunter's moon.

    I suggest you read up on the history of Earth as recorded in the geologic record while it was developing during Deep Time.

    Replies: @dimples, @Philip Neal

  178. The short but definitive explanation: demons or fairies. I’m not 100% positive whether or not those two categories are basically the same thing, but I lean strongly toward the view that they are, as do most of the best-informed theologians. Jacques Vallee’s “Passport to Magonia” and “Messengers of Deception” are excellent starting places if you’re new to this field.

    https://archive.org/details/PassportToMagonia--UFOsFolkloreAndParallelWorldsJacquesVallee1993
    https://archive.org/details/MessengersOfDeceptionUFOContactsAndCultsJacquesValle1979

  179. @Lockean Proviso
    @Rockford Tyson


    The story is that they visited Earth 25 million years ago,trying to identify potential species that could develop intelligence and a civilization. They identified a small lemur-like creature as a potential candidate. That lemur-like creature is. They visited periodically since then.

    The story goes is tha Earth is being quarantined. Since the development of nuclear weapons, the aliens are concerned with our war-like tendencies, and that we could spread throughout the Universe with our ideas in a few hundre thousand years, which is a very short space of time for them.So they are concerned. What the aliens are most concerned with, though, is that we have nukes but we don’t speak with a single coice. The World is divided into nmational and religious blocks. With nukes and without a central control of them, that is a problem.
     

    This is an End Times deception. These beings are fallen angels/ demons, and they are masquerading as aliens to get humanity to deny God as the creator and to unite to follow the Antichrist.

    The past year has been a massive assault on Christianity and preparation for "revelation of 'aliens'," with whom our Satanic high-level elites have been working for a long time. Historic white European civilization was blessed with cooperation, beauty, intelligence, innovation, bravery, and discovery in order to have the drive, power, and clout to spread the Gospel to the world in the Great Commission in conjunction with natural expression of expansion and growth. But now that many of us have abandoned God and our civilization spreads the toxic filth of GloboHomo, He has withdrawn His favor and we are entering a time when envy, spite, and persecution are being visited upon white people. Things are going to get interesting.

    Replies: @Rockford Tyson

    Paranoia at it’s best.

    And you use “Christianity” and “white civilization” in the same sentence with no irony, when Christinaity is actually Jewish, and the ancestors of white peoples like the Celts and the Germanics would all reject Christianity as a weak and effete philosophy. There is nothing more anti-Indo-European in it’s values and origins than Christinaity!

  180. @The Alarmist
    @kaganovitch

    He likes his mags like he likes his *bleep* ... long and black.

    Replies: @vhrm

    That’s fine, the report IS from San Francisco after all, but beyond a certain length you start getting performance problems; not to mention that it’s just awkward to carry around and maneuver.

    • LOL: The Alarmist
  181. @Anon
    @Nathan

    I'm not a big De Grasse Tyson fan, but he nailed it in that Rogan appearance. Remember, in these discussions the assumption is that "UFO" is being used in the sense of "Intelligent extraterrestrial life form, or a drone created thereby, visiting earth." It's not being used in the sense of "unidentified flying object." Your white-hot physical object is in fact unidentified, possibly flying, and may very well be an object. But there's no alien inside.

    Replies: @Nathan

    But here’s the problem. The Navy never said anything about intelligent extraterrestrial life. They said, “our pilots saw, and their infrared and radar weapons systems tracked, some object in controlled airspace and your guess is as good as ours.” That’s actually a serious problem. There is something in the sky that poses a potential hazard to navigation and nobody knows what it is.

    Here are some other problems to consider. Christopher Mellon, the former Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence has stated that these things are not classified US technology. You should believe him because his former position would mean that he would be privy to any level of classification or the creation of a special access program that would cover such technology. All of the footage that has been released, and apparently the UAP program itself is unclassified. If it were classified US technology, this footage would not be unclassified. Period. It’s also important to note that the pilots who see these objects don’t talk about them because they don’t want to look kooky. That’s the worst kind of group think. These are Officers trusted with enormous levels of responsibility and group think and social pressure should be the last thing they consider when describing what they encounter in the line of duty.

    My criticism of De Grasse Tyson is twofold. First, he is a physics PhD who apparently doesn’t understand the nature of what he is looking at when he sees these grainy black and white videos. He should understand what infrared is, at least at a basic level, and why it’s grainy and what that means. He doesn’t. His example of the bird using displacement also undermines his reflexive skepticism. He says nobody ever thought to look and test what animals were capable of, but when he is confronted with information that doesn’t align with his heuristic assumptions about the world, he dismisses it because he makes assumptions that others aren’t making- that it’s alien technology.

    I’m also embarrassed at the reflexive skepticism and lack of intellectual rigor in the comments. It’s easy to make up arguments about how aliens wouldn’t have come to earth from distant stars and then do x, y, and z. But that’s no more intellectually honest and makes just as many assumptions as the kooky alien theories. It’s hard to look at something and admit that nobody knows what it is.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Nathan

    I'm interested in how old you are. My hypothesis is that having been of cognizant age during the Roswell thing is the dividing like between skeptics and believers, not a sharp line, but rather a clinal separation.

    The amount of media, including books and documentaries, about Roswell was incredible. There were, in the end, 300 "witnesses": I know that because a UFO researcher named Kal Korff interviewed them all and wrote a book about it that is next to my computer mouse right now. The witnesses include people who worked on the military base who saw things they thought, after all the Roswell documentaries, may be relevant, to conspiracy buffs, to the mentally ill, to scammers, to cult leader types.

    President Clinton asked for information on Roswell when he took office. President Clinton. The wife of a congressman talked him into passing a bill to fund the Air Force to do an investigation; they did and the resulting report is excellent, and explained all the on-base witness reports (some people were 10 years off in what they remembered, the kind of time slippage that happens when your life doesn't change a lot and isn't punctuated by changes of jobs or residences or divorces or the like).

    After all this (did I mention President Clinton?), Roswell, just kind of ... slipped away .... The Alien Autopsy film was a nice coda to the whole thing.

    So now I'm supposed to get excited by the --- hooooo -- Air Force recleasing some infrared photos?

    You come across like the 9/11 truthers or, yes I'm that old, the Kennedy assasination buffs, who say, BUT HAVE YOU READ THIS 1,000 PAGE BOOK!!! HAVE YOU READ IT!!!

    No, I haven't read it. But if Art Bell were still around, I'd listen to his summary of it.

    , @Anonymous Jew
    @Nathan


    I’m also embarrassed at the reflexive skepticism and lack of intellectual rigor in the comments. It’s easy to make up arguments about how aliens wouldn’t have come to earth from distant stars and then do x, y, and z. But that’s no more intellectually honest and makes just as many assumptions as the kooky alien theories. It’s hard to look at something and admit that nobody knows what it is.
     
    That’s my impression too. I’m surprised that people open minded and curious enough to contemplate racial differences in intelligence brush of radar data corroborated by what multiple pilots saw from different angles. Assuming the world isn’t one big conspiracy, the evidence we have clearly refutes the “parallax seabirds blah blah blah” arguments (at least for a handful of these sightings).

    Again, we have no idea what it is, but based on what little we know, aliens is actually a pretty fair guess. It’s a better guess than Russians, seabirds and a giant, complex conspiracy that is perfectly coordinated and controlled by our incompetent government.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aXvZ3jSxqm8
  182. @guest007
    @Nathan

    Someone would think that an advance technology good enough to move across lightyears of space could find a better way to dump excess heat than just radiate it into the environment. If the object was that hot, it should have left a trail of superheated air.

    Replies: @Nathan

    That makes a lot of assumptions and it’s contradictory. Since it didn’t leave a trail of superheated air, doesn’t that indicate maybe it does have a better way to dump excess heat than to radiate it into the environment?

    And who said anything about light years of space? That’s an assumption you are making. You’re also projecting your assumptions about vehicular travel onto the object. We don’t know if it’s a vehicle or an undiscovered natural phenomenon, or a weapon, or anything really. Reflexive skepticism helps no one in this situation.

  183. @Anon
    @Hamlet's Ghost

    https://youtu.be/656VqWTnKmw

    You might find that interesting as well.

    Replies: @Hamlet's Ghost

    Thanks for that. The great commonality of all these eye witness accounts is the silence of these craft.

    UFOs: Out of the Blue

  184. @Mr. Anon
    @Nathan


    Ugh. It’s grainy black and white footage because it’s white-hot infrared.
     
    Or, it's shiny (like a Mylar balloon) and reflecting light from something hot like - oh, let's say for example - the Sun.

    Replies: @Nathan

    Sure, maybe. These things also seem to move fast and move in ways that challenge our assumptions about how physical objects move in the atmosphere. We should consider new ways to track and measure these objects (if they are objects) or phenomena.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Nathan


    Sure, maybe. These things also seem to move fast and move in ways that challenge our assumptions about how physical objects move in the atmosphere.
     
    As Mick West explained in the video I linked above, there are prosaic reasons why an object may seem to move fast and in unusual ways, even though it isn't.
  185. @prosa123
    Bob Lazar, really? Below I've linked a comprehensive debunking of his alien spacecraft story. It's based on some inside information. The TL:DR version goes as such:

    In late 1988 Lazar got a technician job at Area 51, similar to what he'd already done at Los Alamos. He is not a physicist or any other sort of scientist, though by all accounts he's a highly skilled craftsman. He became aware of experiments involving extremely powerful particle beams, refinement of a technology that had existed for many years by 1988. During nighttime experiments the particle beams produced glowing orbs in the sky that looked like everyone's idea of a UFO.

    On the night of April 5, 1989, when there were particle beam tests scheduled, Lazar invited some friends to hang out near the Area 51 gate to observe what he told them were UFO's that the government had captured and was hiding in a secret underground hangar. Unfortunately for them, base security busted the gathering. This put Lazar in a very difficult position. He would have faced extremely serious charges if he admitted that he knew about the particle beam experiments and that he was just pranking his friends with the UFO talk. To save himself, he had to play dumb and say that he himself thought they were actual UFO's. The security people decided it would be too risky to prosecute Lazar - who knew what he might say during a trial? - and simply fired him.

    This may bring up the question of why Lazar continues to stick with the UFO story after more than 30 years. Turns out, he has to. While the government declassifies most secret programs well before 30 years have elapsed, the particle beam experiments are an exception: because they violated weapons treaties that remain in effect, the government has to keep them classified. And so long as they remain classified, Lazar is still subject to prosecution if he reveals the truth.

    https://www.otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strange-places/looking-at-the-bob-lazar-story-from-the-perspective-of-2018/

    Replies: @photondancer

    The women who faked the Cottingley fairy photos didn’t admit the hoax for 60 years. It doesn’t need government restrictions. Many hoaxers resist giving up their story.

  186. @prosa123
    Here's a plausible-sounding explanation of the Berglas Effect:

    He has memorized the order of the deck. There are ways to organize a deck in a way that will appear random to the eye but is actuality they are in an easy to recall sequence. He then takes 2 random audience members who are legitimately not connected and not in on it.
    He has the first participant call out a random card. He knows which spot that card is in the deck because he has the order of all 52 cards memorized.
    Now lets say the person says "Jack of Hearts" and he knows that is in card spot "9" in the deck.
    Now he has the second audience member say a number. Now he knows he just has to find a way to connect the second audience members number with the actual number "9" spot.
    If they say 45,18, 36, 27 he can say add the digits to get "9"
    If they say 44 he can have them flip the deck and count from the bottom.
    If they say 10 he can tell them to throw the top card away and then start counting.
    If they say 19, 28, 37, 46, he can combine the digits and then be "off" by one when they get to the 10th card.
    There is also a rare chance when they actually pick the correct number and in that case he looks even better. This is his best case scenario but he is prepared for ALL scenarios.
    Just with these examples, I can make the trick "work" with the random audience member picking 11 different numbers.
    He is infinitely better and can find ways to get to any location in the deck with any number given. This is why the trick is never the same each time and he has to improvise on his feet at all times. The skill in the trick is the story he weaves to get to the number. It is impressive feat of mental gymnastics, but not anything magical or unresolved. The actual techique is just adding or subtracting to get to the spot he needs.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Deadite

    Went to the Redondo Beach Magic and Comedy club years ago. There was a surprise visit by Robin Williams. I saw him on the way out, and went over and said how much I had always enjoyed his comedy and that he had been brilliant that night (he had been!). I shook his hand, and he was not arrogant or proud at all. He was, in fact, very demure. A honestly nice seeming man.

    However! I did see a guy take a chicken out of his pants. I was watching him like a hawk, and still the chicken appeared like magic. Obviously a form of Satan related dark and twisted magic, taking a chicken out of your pants!

    I liked your explanation. I told it to my kids. Thanks!

  187. @syonredux
    @Steve Sailer

    Heck, in 1954, plastic was regarded as some kind of miraculous substance:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cGvwFyHdbo

    Replies: @photondancer, @IAJ

    Fascinating – I had no idea plastic made from sugar cane was known so long ago. If only we’d stuck with it instead of using petroleum-based polymers instead!

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @photondancer

    The path not taken.

  188. anon[356] • Disclaimer says:

    Why only military sightings? Why no cellphone video?

    Why only the most rural military bases? Why not a Ft. Campbell in Clarksville Tennessee where plenty of people would see it?

    Why only out over the ocean, but never near a shoreline?

    I tend to disbelieve our government these days. Phony “insurrections”, electoral fraud, fact checkers, BLM flags at our embassies worldwide……implying that we mistreat our blacks when we dont, we have doctors asking parents to leave rooms so they can ask their children if the parents use the proper pronouns……and call social services if they dont. We use our spy agencies and NGOs to foment color revolutuions in sovereign nations.

    We lie all the time. Its baloney

    • Agree: Old Prude
  189. @syonredux
    @Steve Sailer

    Heck, in 1954, plastic was regarded as some kind of miraculous substance:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cGvwFyHdbo

    Replies: @photondancer, @IAJ

    What is miraculous is the positive representation of the can do American capitalist.

  190. Oh, Christ. Just what we need. More illegal aliens. No doubt
    they will soon be demanding welfare payments, free health care,
    housing, reparations for slavery, special holidays, safe spaces, affirmative
    action set asides in the colleges, and all kinds of other free $#!+ ripped out
    of the American taxpayer.
    Jeezuz, it never ends.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @One of the Last Few Patriots Left

    District 9.

  191. What do I think the new UFO videos are? Artifacts of the imaging systems used to record them. One recent video looks to me like a phosphor burn on a CRT screen.

    These phenomena cannot possibly be as common as the ’60 Minutes’ interviewee claimed (“daily for years,”) because if they were, we’d surely have clear video and images by now. Unless you want to define a UFO as ‘something that does not allow itself to be clearly filmed under any circumstances,’ similar to the way diviners and spoon-benders insist that their powers work only when they are not closely observed.

  192. @El Dato
    @Ahem

    Seriously, that makes only sense to the pseudo-scientific dilettante who sees conspiracies by the "community" everywhere where his understanding is sadly lacking.

    Gravity is not even regarded as a "force" and if you come by any "special materials" that generate repulsive gravity, a Nobel Prize will be branded into your ass cheek pretty much immediately.

    It's the same tune with the bullshit "reactionless drives" that appear every 10 year or so. After a breathless article in NewScientist, the inventor then cries conspiracy while promising PhD students waste their time trying to detect any force whatsoever distinguishable from measurement noise.

    Replies: @Ahem

    Any trappable particle – or “special materials” to use your term – that repels normal matter would fly into space at a rapid rate of knots.

    So, should such a particle exist, it cannot be found anywhere on Earth.

  193. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    @Anon

    Take a look at the green-bordered picture here. Has anyone ever seen an explanation of the lettering, numbers, and shapes superimposed on the picture.?

    Replies: @Easy Pete

    Yeah, stars academy or some such on youtube explains all symbology present on those two videos.

  194. @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    Mylar must have been pretty alien-looking in 1947.

    Replies: @Anon, @syonredux, @gutta percha

    “Mylar must have been pretty alien-looking in 1947.”

    A 1947 Nash automobile looks pretty alien to Earthlings in 2021. Our scientists have struggled to exactly match the paint colors of that era, but so far have failed. Whoever created those vehicles had access to color technologies far beyond our own.

    • LOL: JMcG
  195. @enochian
    @anonymous

    This seems like a silly idea - claiming that secret military weapons are aliens is going to draw more public attention to them, and more investigators, not less. And if the military was testing saucer shaped hypersonic aircraft in the 40s, why were civilians not flying in them in the 60s and 70s, and why are they not in aircraft museums today, 70 years later?

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Paul Mendez, @SaneClownPosse

    Consider this explanation, that this technology is already in use by the world’s wealthy ruling families, who are using this tech, instead of the Concorde to get around quickly.

    They are misdirecting the public to believe in either 1) aliens, or 2) secret military weapons.

    We get to choose between Lie 1 or Lie 2. Either way, it is not available for the little people.

    Like every four years, we get to choose between their R candidate or their D candidate.

  196. Ahem says:
    @Known Fact
    @jb


    And out of 4.6 billion years of Earth’s history they just coincidentally happened to show up now?
     
    Uh-uh -- Ezekiel saw the wheel

    Replies: @Ahem

    Try Zechariah Ch. 5 with a more coherent description than the word salad of Ezekiel.

    The alien who contacted Zeke was your usual mendacity spouting clown, but the only thing of interest in this chapter is that it is the only place in that Bronze Age collection of nonsense that describes angels as having stork like wings.

    I suggest a more modern translation than the King James version, such as the New Jerusalem Bible, or similar.

  197. @photondancer
    @syonredux

    Fascinating - I had no idea plastic made from sugar cane was known so long ago. If only we'd stuck with it instead of using petroleum-based polymers instead!

    Replies: @syonredux

    The path not taken.

  198. Anon[211] • Disclaimer says:

    Go read Edward Ruppelt (The Report on Unidentified Flying Objects) on the subject. He did a lot of investigating the original wave of UFO sightings in the 1950s. He came to the conclusion they were a crock of nonsense and did so for very good reasons, which he explains in his book.

    For some people, UFOs are a religion. They believe and have zero proof.

  199. Unz Review record. 200 comments in and no one has blamed the Jews for flying saucers.

  200. Anon[213] • Disclaimer says:
    @Nathan
    @Anon

    But here's the problem. The Navy never said anything about intelligent extraterrestrial life. They said, "our pilots saw, and their infrared and radar weapons systems tracked, some object in controlled airspace and your guess is as good as ours." That's actually a serious problem. There is something in the sky that poses a potential hazard to navigation and nobody knows what it is.

    Here are some other problems to consider. Christopher Mellon, the former Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence has stated that these things are not classified US technology. You should believe him because his former position would mean that he would be privy to any level of classification or the creation of a special access program that would cover such technology. All of the footage that has been released, and apparently the UAP program itself is unclassified. If it were classified US technology, this footage would not be unclassified. Period. It's also important to note that the pilots who see these objects don't talk about them because they don't want to look kooky. That's the worst kind of group think. These are Officers trusted with enormous levels of responsibility and group think and social pressure should be the last thing they consider when describing what they encounter in the line of duty.

    My criticism of De Grasse Tyson is twofold. First, he is a physics PhD who apparently doesn't understand the nature of what he is looking at when he sees these grainy black and white videos. He should understand what infrared is, at least at a basic level, and why it's grainy and what that means. He doesn't. His example of the bird using displacement also undermines his reflexive skepticism. He says nobody ever thought to look and test what animals were capable of, but when he is confronted with information that doesn't align with his heuristic assumptions about the world, he dismisses it because he makes assumptions that others aren't making- that it's alien technology.

    I'm also embarrassed at the reflexive skepticism and lack of intellectual rigor in the comments. It's easy to make up arguments about how aliens wouldn't have come to earth from distant stars and then do x, y, and z. But that's no more intellectually honest and makes just as many assumptions as the kooky alien theories. It's hard to look at something and admit that nobody knows what it is.

    Replies: @Anon, @Anonymous Jew

    I’m interested in how old you are. My hypothesis is that having been of cognizant age during the Roswell thing is the dividing like between skeptics and believers, not a sharp line, but rather a clinal separation.

    The amount of media, including books and documentaries, about Roswell was incredible. There were, in the end, 300 “witnesses”: I know that because a UFO researcher named Kal Korff interviewed them all and wrote a book about it that is next to my computer mouse right now. The witnesses include people who worked on the military base who saw things they thought, after all the Roswell documentaries, may be relevant, to conspiracy buffs, to the mentally ill, to scammers, to cult leader types.

    President Clinton asked for information on Roswell when he took office. President Clinton. The wife of a congressman talked him into passing a bill to fund the Air Force to do an investigation; they did and the resulting report is excellent, and explained all the on-base witness reports (some people were 10 years off in what they remembered, the kind of time slippage that happens when your life doesn’t change a lot and isn’t punctuated by changes of jobs or residences or divorces or the like).

    After all this (did I mention President Clinton?), Roswell, just kind of … slipped away …. The Alien Autopsy film was a nice coda to the whole thing.

    So now I’m supposed to get excited by the — hooooo — Air Force recleasing some infrared photos?

    You come across like the 9/11 truthers or, yes I’m that old, the Kennedy assasination buffs, who say, BUT HAVE YOU READ THIS 1,000 PAGE BOOK!!! HAVE YOU READ IT!!!

    No, I haven’t read it. But if Art Bell were still around, I’d listen to his summary of it.

  201. @Nathan
    @Mr. Anon

    Sure, maybe. These things also seem to move fast and move in ways that challenge our assumptions about how physical objects move in the atmosphere. We should consider new ways to track and measure these objects (if they are objects) or phenomena.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Sure, maybe. These things also seem to move fast and move in ways that challenge our assumptions about how physical objects move in the atmosphere.

    As Mick West explained in the video I linked above, there are prosaic reasons why an object may seem to move fast and in unusual ways, even though it isn’t.

  202. The grossest version of that trick. He touches the cards in all kinds of ways though:

    The media drumbeat on UFO’s is causing me to think misdirection.

  203. Die Glocke – Hitler’s Anti-Gravity Machine?

  204. Ahem says:
    @Philip Neal
    Consider total eclipses of the Sun, with Bailly's beads.

    So far as anyone knows, it is a remarkable coincidence that, as seen from the surface of the earth, the disc of the moon is the same size as the disc of the sun; a coincidence quite possibly making this planet unique in the Galaxy.

    If there are beings from other planets capable of hopping from star to star, as we can hop from continent to continent, solar eclipses would be an important incentive for actually doing so. If I hailed from a planet of Aldebaran, I would time my once in a lifetime visit to Earth so as to take in a total eclipse.

    And yet, I never once heard of a UFO sighting during a total eclipse of the sun.

    Replies: @Ahem

    Not really a remarkable coincidence at all.

    430 million years ago, during the Silurian period, the Moon was less than half its current distance from Earth and its apparent diameter was more than twice that of the Sun.

    A lunar cycle lasted nine days of 21 hours and the apparent area of the full Moon when full was more than double the area we can see today. In those days, and prior, it was always, weather permitting, a hunter’s moon.

    I suggest you read up on the history of Earth as recorded in the geologic record while it was developing during Deep Time.

    • Replies: @dimples
    @Ahem

    But wait, this makes it more of a coincidence, since this is the only time in Earth's history that intelligence has arisen to notice it. Multiply the coincidence by a few billion.

    , @Philip Neal
    @Ahem

    True, but I said "with Bailly's beads" And for that matter the corona - an eclispe would be much less impressive without it.

    Replies: @Ahem

  205. Steve Sailer comparing UFOs with card trick, see the pea under the thimble. Military saw nothing before 2011!

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

  206. @Ahem
    @Philip Neal

    Not really a remarkable coincidence at all.

    430 million years ago, during the Silurian period, the Moon was less than half its current distance from Earth and its apparent diameter was more than twice that of the Sun.

    A lunar cycle lasted nine days of 21 hours and the apparent area of the full Moon when full was more than double the area we can see today. In those days, and prior, it was always, weather permitting, a hunter's moon.

    I suggest you read up on the history of Earth as recorded in the geologic record while it was developing during Deep Time.

    Replies: @dimples, @Philip Neal

    But wait, this makes it more of a coincidence, since this is the only time in Earth’s history that intelligence has arisen to notice it. Multiply the coincidence by a few billion.

  207. “why does the probe always go up the ass???”

    My theory is that the butt probing aliens are the descendants of more primitive alien homos. In more advanced civilizations, it eventually becomes realized that the presence of homos is a serious political and moral danger to society that cannot be fixed. They are therefore segregated out and kept on ‘poofter planets’ where they can buttcram each other to their hearts content without endangering normals. Eventually the homos develop the science of asexual reproduction and evolve into the ‘grays’ which are apparently abundant in the paranormal interstices of this lower plane. Naturally the ‘grays’ retain their fascination with bums to the detriment of their innocent victims (unless they too are homos of course). It may even be the case that the anal probes are the ‘grays’ way of searching for their long lost homo fellow travellers.

    • Replies: @Dissident
    @dimples


    In more advanced civilizations, it eventually becomes realized that the presence of homos is a serious political and moral danger to society that cannot be fixed.
     
    "Homos" is rather broad.

    Brazenly buggering individuals who flaunt their depravity and demand that their objectively unwholesome, inordinately disease-spreading behavior is indulged, legitimized, celebrated and subsidized at immense public financial, medical and moral expense? Yes, to them, your statement most certainly applies.

    Individuals who make no such demands, who respect heteromormativity, but who merely have homoerotic proclivities? Or who even may, discretely, and within considerable constraints, indulge said proclivities?
    (Note that not all homoerotically active males engage in buggery. Search my comment archive for "frot".)


    Naturally the ‘grays’ retain their fascination with bums to the detriment of their innocent victims (unless they too are homos of course).
     
    Gay propaganda would have one believe if a male erotically desires other males, he instinctively must desire and welcome being anally penetrated. The reality is rather different.

    Ultimately, no matter how much anyone may enjoy the act buggery (either end of it), the dismal anatomical and physiological realities of the act remain, as do their implications for public health, etc.

  208. @One of the Last Few Patriots Left
    Oh, Christ. Just what we need. More illegal aliens. No doubt
    they will soon be demanding welfare payments, free health care,
    housing, reparations for slavery, special holidays, safe spaces, affirmative
    action set asides in the colleges, and all kinds of other free $#!+ ripped out
    of the American taxpayer.
    Jeezuz, it never ends.

    Replies: @JMcG

    District 9.

  209. @The Alarmist
    What better way to usher in Global Government than to create a heightened alien threat and urge us to fight the good fight for humanity.

    Funny that all we get in these days of high def cameras everywhere ... practically on every street corner, in everyone’s pockets and millions of dash-cams that even catch metors burning through the atmosphere in HD ... all we get is grainy, non-descript video solely from DoD sources. You’d think we’d get better value for the three-quarters of a trillion dollars lavished on DoD each year.

    BTW, what happened to all those alien abductions we used to hear about pre-internet era?

    Lockdown and mask up and settle in for your flight to your ultimate destiny.


    https://youtu.be/NIufLRpJYnI?t=0m13s

    Replies: @photondancer, @dfordoom

    What better way to usher in Global Government than to create a heightened alien threat and urge us to fight the good fight for humanity.

    The US sure as hell doesn’t want Global Government. It wants Global Empire, run from Washington. Would hysteria about aliens be in the interests of the US global empire? I’m sceptical.

    The most obvious explanation is that the Alien Threat will be used to justify a massive increase in military spending. And to justify the development of more totally unnecessary gee-whizz high-tech toys for the military to play with.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @dfordoom

    The US sure as hell doesn’t want Global Government. It wants Global Empire, run from Washington

    If anyone wanted that, they wouldn't have put off establishing it until the country's productive output had been surpassed by China.

    Replies: @Lockean Proviso

  210. @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    UFOs are yet another hoax, along with Covid19 and the ultra-fraudulent 2020 election. Most White men are imbeciles and cowards, so when the space munsters lecture us about racism and global climate crisis emergency and order White men to self-deliver, 98% of White men will dutifully beg forgiveness and kill themselves, just as they slavishly strapped diapers to their faces over the past 15 months.

    Replies: @Dissident

    UFOs are yet another hoax, along with Covid19 and the ultra-fraudulent 2020 election.

    I’m pretty sure that people who believe that Covid is a hoax, and that the 2020 election was “ultra-fraudulent” are a lot more likely to believe in UFOs than people who accept reality concerning the first two.

    (Said realities being (a) that Covid, while unquestionably politicized by all sides and exaggerated by some, nonetheless was and remains quite real, and (b) that while there was almost certainly some amount of voter fraud, as there is in just about every election, there is no credible basis for the claim that voter fraud determined the results of the 2020 Presidential election.)

    • Agree: dfordoom
    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @Dissident


    I’m pretty sure that people who believe that Covid is a hoax, and that the 2020 election was “ultra-fraudulent” are a lot more likely to believe in UFOs than people who accept reality concerning the first two.
     
    I dunno ... I believe SARS-Cov-2 is real, but the response to control its spread is a hoax, and I’m convinced the 2020 election was blatantly fraudulent, but the only thing I believe about UFOs is that they are flying things that the observers can’t identify.

    Oh, and I believe in swordfish ...


    https://youtu.be/gRWeS4PcbtM
    , @dimples
    @Dissident

    "I’m pretty sure that people who believe that Covid is a hoax, and that the 2020 election was “ultra-fraudulent” are a lot more likely to believe in UFOs than people who accept reality concerning the first two."

    This website is not a good example for this theory. Most commenters here appear to believe the virus is a hoax and the election ultra-fraudulent. By my estimate comments are also about 9-1 against UFOs being 'reality'.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Sean, @Dissident

  211. Not a lot of time to read or write, but in the past, UFOs often turned out to be secret aircraft designed by people like the friends of Steve’s mom and dad. Government stories about them turned out to be attempts to distract the public. Agencies found it useful to play up the speculations about aliens, in order to hide the fact that the things people were seeing in the sky were from the United States.

    What makes me suspicious now about this current “flap” (as such things used to be called) is that it seems driven by government and mainstream media, two things no one has any reason to trust.

    Our friend Occam says this is not an intelligent, extraterrestrial phenomenon.

    Drake says there should be lots of aliens.

    Fermi asks why we haven’t seen any.

    Einstein says it takes too long for them to get here.

    Recent history says our government and media are lying to us and promoting some bullshit to cover up something.

  212. I didn’t take it terribly seriously but wrote up what I’d thought about UFOs before 2017 for Taki’s Magazine, which might still be of some interest.

    More than some; that article of yours was fascinating and quite edifying.*

    [*One of any number of articles and posts by you that I would love to recommend to people I know but if I do… they will likely Google “Steve Sailer”, end-up at this site, and I fear I may never hear from them again…]

    [From The UFO Menace, by Steve Sailer, 2017, TakiMag] For example, future president Jimmy Carter saw a curious series of lights in 1969 that he called a UFO.

    Now, this is often dismissed as no trustworthier than Carter’s claim while president to have been attacked by an enormous swimming rabbit. But the president really was attacked by an enormous swimming rabbit. (Things like that just seemed to happen to poor Jimmy.)

    LOL, great lines. It’s almost as if truth can be stranger than fiction.

    In an interview around 24 years ago with one of the famous mainstream media news personalities, the Hon.[sic] Minister Louis Farrakhan described the “Mother Wheel” of the “Mother Ship”…

    Paraphrasing from memory:

    Farrakhan: Yes, and you can ask President Jimmy Carter, who said that he saw it.
    Interviewer: Just to be clear, Minister Farrakhan, what President Carter said he had seen was a UFO; he did not say anything about a “Mother Ship” or a “Mother Wheel”.
    Farrakhan: Yes, he saw it, and many others have told of seeing the Mother Wheel…

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Dissident

    than people who accept reality concerning the first two.

    The reality you're not noticing is how much resistance there has been to actually auditing the results (not to mention the assiduous efforts to use the epidemic as an excuse to further ruin ballot security).

    , @Joe Stalin
    @Dissident

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2BmngqSmeo

  213. @i hope i'm right
    At this point there is only witness testimony. All the declassified videos we've seen have already been more or less debunked (infrared flares, distant planes, parallax, electro-optical artifacts, gimbals). People like Harry Reid and John Brennan are not particularly smart when it comes to STEM. I do not know what to make of pilots' first hand accounts.

    Replies: @Yawrate, @Eric Novak

    None of the Navy’s videos that have been released since 2017 as part of Harry Reid’s program has been debunked.

    • Replies: @jamie b.
    @Eric Novak

    So those aren't among the videos Thunder00t has so adequately debunked?

  214. @Anonymous
    LOL, Steve. Pondering every possible explanation except for the most likely: it's US anti-gravitational technology they're slowly releasing to the public as a warning line to Russia and China, who haven't progressed beyond primitive propellant based rockets.

    http://www.nuforc.org/webreports/011/S11869.html

    Encountered large triangular object while night fishing off Farlon Island and fired 100 rounds of 22 ammo at it.

    On the evening of Super Bowl Sunday, I was hauling up a line of crab traps off Farlon Island with my dog aboard our 25' boat. While leaning over the side, my dog started to bark furiously. I looked up and saw a huge triangular object hovering above with NO sound. I was hit by a beam of white light and fell backward onto the sole of the cabin. I grabbed my Ruger 10-22 rifle loaded with a 100 round banana magazine and stared firing as fast as I could until the clif was empty. I was able to shoot out the light. While grabbing for a second clip, I saw a hatch open up on the bottom side of the object and two people leaned down to yell "STOP SHOOTING AS US YOU IDIOT". The only other noise I heard was a hissing sound like air escapeing from a flat tire or something. As the object move off to the south, I saw a helocopter come out off the top and move in next to my boat about 20' off the water and 50' way. Someone in the side door held up a camera and flash off a picture of me in the boat holding the rifle. The helocopter made no noise and had no markings on it. It was solid flat black as was the huge Triangle. The chopper then took off toward the Golden Gate bridge climbing up. The Triangle slowing gained altitude and was last seen heading south. I left the area for port and went out Wednesday to finish hauling in my traps. At first I thought it was an alien UFO and was genunly startled by it. However, I now believe it was an experimental military platform for transporting a small fleet of black helocopters that leave and enter out of the top of a huge silent floating triangle the size of a football field. A rigid airship if you will.

    ((NUFORC Note: This may be the first report we have received that has the occupants of such a craft using a camera with a flash attachment..))
     

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @kaganovitch, @James Forrestal

    Black helicopters and a UFO?

    Clearly it had just finished laying some chemtrails, and was transitioning to “crop circle” duty — hence the low altitude.

  215. What makes me suspicious now about this current “flap” (as such things used to be called) is that it seems driven by government and mainstream media, two things no one has any reason to trust.

    In other words “Why did they decide to promote this narrative so heavily, and why now?” might be a more productive question than “Is this narrative ‘true’?”

    Let alone simply assuming its essential validity, then trying to force reality to conform to it…

    • Agree: Moses
  216. Earth is cancelled. I am ready to be taken to Andromeda.

  217. US Navy releases radar returns on UFOs

    this has always been the important part.

    why do FLIR videos and nightvision videos appear? probably because those devices produce a recording which can then be smuggled out of the Navy. like police department surveillance videos which somehow escape containment.

    why does ‘radar video’ never emerge though? because radar doesn’t work like that. so you have to do something like take a video of the radar while it’s detecting the UFOs. otherwise you end up in a conference room with 20 officers going over the data readouts like the 1990 F-16 radar confirmation of UFOs over Belgium.

    F-15 EX will have the most capable radar ever put into a fighter jet, so hopefully we get some better data out of these units if they also go into Navy jets.

    • Thanks: vhrm
  218. @Ahem
    @Philip Neal

    Not really a remarkable coincidence at all.

    430 million years ago, during the Silurian period, the Moon was less than half its current distance from Earth and its apparent diameter was more than twice that of the Sun.

    A lunar cycle lasted nine days of 21 hours and the apparent area of the full Moon when full was more than double the area we can see today. In those days, and prior, it was always, weather permitting, a hunter's moon.

    I suggest you read up on the history of Earth as recorded in the geologic record while it was developing during Deep Time.

    Replies: @dimples, @Philip Neal

    True, but I said “with Bailly’s beads” And for that matter the corona – an eclispe would be much less impressive without it.

    • Replies: @Ahem
    @Philip Neal

    I don't believe you understood my post.

  219. @Dissident
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen


    UFOs are yet another hoax, along with Covid19 and the ultra-fraudulent 2020 election.
     
    I'm pretty sure that people who believe that Covid is a hoax, and that the 2020 election was "ultra-fraudulent" are a lot more likely to believe in UFOs than people who accept reality concerning the first two.

    (Said realities being (a) that Covid, while unquestionably politicized by all sides and exaggerated by some, nonetheless was and remains quite real, and (b) that while there was almost certainly some amount of voter fraud, as there is in just about every election, there is no credible basis for the claim that voter fraud determined the results of the 2020 Presidential election.)

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @dimples

    I’m pretty sure that people who believe that Covid is a hoax, and that the 2020 election was “ultra-fraudulent” are a lot more likely to believe in UFOs than people who accept reality concerning the first two.

    I dunno … I believe SARS-Cov-2 is real, but the response to control its spread is a hoax, and I’m convinced the 2020 election was blatantly fraudulent, but the only thing I believe about UFOs is that they are flying things that the observers can’t identify.

    Oh, and I believe in swordfish …

  220. @Bardon Kaldian
    By the way, I am almost sure that Daeniken/Velikovsky type speculations are true, at least 10%. Most of them are not. But, it seems reasonable that some religious scriptures and tales are, actually, in some passages, depicting human-alien contact.

    For instance, this is from the Bible, Exodus 24:

    Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and the seventy elders of Israel went up 10 and saw the God of Israel. Under his feet was something like a pavement made of lapis lazuli, as bright blue as the sky. 11 But God did not raise his hand against these leaders of the Israelites; they saw God, and they ate and drank.

    12 The Lord said to Moses, “Come up to me on the mountain and stay here, and I will give you the tablets of stone with the law and commandments I have written for their instruction.”

    13 Then Moses set out with Joshua his aide, and Moses went up on the mountain of God. 14 He said to the elders, “Wait here for us until we come back to you. Aaron and Hur are with you, and anyone involved in a dispute can go to them.”

    15 When Moses went up on the mountain, the cloud covered it, 16 and the glory of the Lord settled on Mount Sinai. For six days the cloud covered the mountain, and on the seventh day the Lord called to Moses from within the cloud. 17 To the Israelites the glory of the Lord looked like a consuming fire on top of the mountain.

     
    To me, it all looks similar to Monolith & chimps from Kubrick's 2001 ...

    Replies: @Morton's toes

    There is a great line in one of the documentaries where Rod Serling announces with his poem cadence:

    Ezekiel saw a wheel
    This is the wheel Ezekiel saw

    I don’t know how good a documentary about the phenomena of the objects it is, but it is an excellent documentary about the phenomenon of the phenonema. Like Alan Greenfield said “do you criticize Homer ’cause it ain’t history?”

    Maybe the right description is Unidentified Flying Object Phenomenon. UFOP.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Morton's toes

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spaceships_of_Ezekiel

    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51BjRRvRLvL._SX310_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

  221. @dfordoom
    @The Alarmist


    What better way to usher in Global Government than to create a heightened alien threat and urge us to fight the good fight for humanity.
     
    The US sure as hell doesn't want Global Government. It wants Global Empire, run from Washington. Would hysteria about aliens be in the interests of the US global empire? I'm sceptical.

    The most obvious explanation is that the Alien Threat will be used to justify a massive increase in military spending. And to justify the development of more totally unnecessary gee-whizz high-tech toys for the military to play with.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    The US sure as hell doesn’t want Global Government. It wants Global Empire, run from Washington

    If anyone wanted that, they wouldn’t have put off establishing it until the country’s productive output had been surpassed by China.

    • Replies: @Lockean Proviso
    @Art Deco

    And conversely, if anyone wanted global government, they would've put it off until the US's productive output had been surpassed by a Corporate/Communist regime like China, and until the US's constitution and system of checks and balances had been undermined and replaced with a reliable centralized propaganda system to easily manipulate a pliable population and to manufacture consent to de facto control by globalist elites.

  222. @Dissident

    I didn’t take it terribly seriously but wrote up what I’d thought about UFOs before 2017 for Taki’s Magazine, which might still be of some interest.
     
    More than some; that article of yours was fascinating and quite edifying.*

    [*One of any number of articles and posts by you that I would love to recommend to people I know but if I do... they will likely Google "Steve Sailer", end-up at this site, and I fear I may never hear from them again...]


    [From The UFO Menace, by Steve Sailer, 2017, TakiMag] For example, future president Jimmy Carter saw a curious series of lights in 1969 that he called a UFO.

    Now, this is often dismissed as no trustworthier than Carter’s claim while president to have been attacked by an enormous swimming rabbit. But the president really was attacked by an enormous swimming rabbit. (Things like that just seemed to happen to poor Jimmy.)
     

    LOL, great lines. It's almost as if truth can be stranger than fiction.

    In an interview around 24 years ago with one of the famous mainstream media news personalities, the Hon.[sic] Minister Louis Farrakhan described the "Mother Wheel" of the "Mother Ship"...

    Paraphrasing from memory:


    Farrakhan: Yes, and you can ask President Jimmy Carter, who said that he saw it.
    Interviewer: Just to be clear, Minister Farrakhan, what President Carter said he had seen was a UFO; he did not say anything about a "Mother Ship" or a "Mother Wheel".
    Farrakhan: Yes, he saw it, and many others have told of seeing the Mother Wheel...
     

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Joe Stalin

    than people who accept reality concerning the first two.

    The reality you’re not noticing is how much resistance there has been to actually auditing the results (not to mention the assiduous efforts to use the epidemic as an excuse to further ruin ballot security).

    • Agree: JMcG
  223. @Mr. Anon
    For years people would come out with grainy or fuzzy pictures/movies of what were purported to be UFOs and the Pentagon would reply (if they deigned to reply at all) that whatever was being photographed was: nothing, nothing of interest, explainable, certainly not a UFO, etc.

    Now, the Pentagon itself releases grainy or fuzzy pictures/videos and just says: "Gee, guys, we have no idea what these are. Discuss."

    Here's a discussion of it from a skeptical perspective:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le7Fqbsrrm8

    Public knowledge of all of this started with the release of these videos by Luis Elizondo, a man who purportedly headed up a secret Pentagon task-force to investigate these phenomenon. At least that's how it's reported in "The News". But if you step back a moment, you might observe a few things.

    1.) Elizondo - a guy who looks and sounds like a professional wrestling promoter - apparently has no past before he was tapped for this important job. I challenge you to find out anything about him. Where did he go to school? Did he serve in the military, or in some government agency? I looked, and I couldn't find any information about his background or any ostensible qualifications.

    2.) The ATTIP program (Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program), was not a regular sort of Pentagon program. It was a Congressional earmark stuck into the budget by Harry Reid, the corrupt Democratic congressman from Nevada, and a lot of the money appropriated apparently went to Bigelow Aerospace, a Nevada company owned by Robert Bigelow, a Nevada real-estate developer and owner of Budget Suites of America. I'm gonna go out on a limb, and guess that Bigelow was a big political contributor to Harry Reid.

    Reid and Bigelow may be genuinely interested in UFOs and genuine true believers on that score. But that doesn't change the fact that ATTIP was fundamentally an exercise in pork-barrel politics.

    However, the media and the upper echelons of society are now lending creedance to this whole thing, so that makes me suspect something even dirtier and sneakier lay at the bottom of all this.

    I think perhaps we are slowly being prepared for the revelation that Extraterrestrial aliens have and are visiting the Earth and are perhaps even preparing to invade it.

    Yes!.

    No! I don't believe there are any aliens (at least not here, not now) and they perforce don't want to invade us. But I believe that TPTB may at some point want us to believe that there are. If the War on Carbon fails in it's purpose of subjugating humanity under the rule of the neo-feudal globalist ruling-class (also known as GloboCap, Globo-Homo, The NWO, etc.), then a bogus alien-invasion may serve to do the trick. "This is Interstellar War! Space Combat, toe-to-toe with the ETs! Do your duty, citizen, and give up your car and your AC and your steaks! We all have to make sacrifices in defense of our beloved Mother Earth! We're all in this together!"

    After the last year, with millions of people falling into lockstep and doing whatever Anthony Fauci or Gavin Newsome told them to do, on the day they told them to do it (even if it was completely different than what they were told just a week before), does anyone doubt that hundreds of millions of people would completely buy into an "Alien Invasion" if it were rolled out by the media?

    Replies: @Morton's toes

    Where did he go to school? Did he serve in the military, or in some government agency? I looked, and I couldn’t find any information about his background or any ostensible qualifications.

    Dark Journalist reports he went to U. Miami and was recruited into the anti-Castro faction. His dad is from Cuba and he is 2nd generation commie hater. Elizondo has (some) proper documentation but it’s classified.

    Reid and Bigelow may be genuinely interested in UFOs and genuine true believers on that score. But that doesn’t change the fact that ATTIP was fundamentally an exercise in pork-barrel politics.

    Bigelow spent the dough on legitimate research. He had 6-7 scientists + support personnel + big hardware and software expenses on the Skinwalker Ranch project for 2 years. They did not come away with publishable findings but Knapp’s account and Vallee’s account (in the 4th volume of his journals) look completely above board. If you leave out the part about the Federal money. The vast majority of Americans consider Federal money to be a resource which can be plucked off those money trees our parents told us do not exist.

    does anyone doubt that hundreds of millions of people would completely buy into an “Alien Invasion” if it were rolled out by the media?

    You are jumping the gun. Wait until the big reveal in June is very very very close to nothing. It’s going to end up being no bigger a deal than no Santa Claus.

    What is Tom Delong doing these days? That was Plan A. This is a contingency plan which means it wasn’t even as good as that stupid Plan A.

  224. See Mick West’s metabunk.com and his YouTube channel on this subject

    What can be equally, if not better, explained by human technologies and optical phenomena is much more likely to the the truth.

    But because there’s an undying public thirst for UFOs (ET!), more of this stuff will be served up minus the professional skeptical counter-explanations.

    UFOs = Profit

    • Replies: @prime noticer
    @Element59

    i assume this Mick West guy is the new Philip Klass.

  225. Anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:

    I find it interesting that human beings can give eye-witness accounts for 100 years, and they are all dismissed as loons by the thousands. But the moment the U.S. military (known liars) hints at something, now it is serious?

    If you didn’t believe 100 years worth of yokels, you shouldn’t believe the U.S. military. If you did believe 100 years worth of yokels, then you should believe the military. Don’t be a bloody boot licker for that criminal enterprise. I mean, what is the U.S. military’s answer for building 7? Gimme a break. Stop treating the U.S. government as if they are a credible organization. They aren’t.

  226. @Philip Neal
    @Ahem

    True, but I said "with Bailly's beads" And for that matter the corona - an eclispe would be much less impressive without it.

    Replies: @Ahem

    I don’t believe you understood my post.

  227. @Dissident

    I didn’t take it terribly seriously but wrote up what I’d thought about UFOs before 2017 for Taki’s Magazine, which might still be of some interest.
     
    More than some; that article of yours was fascinating and quite edifying.*

    [*One of any number of articles and posts by you that I would love to recommend to people I know but if I do... they will likely Google "Steve Sailer", end-up at this site, and I fear I may never hear from them again...]


    [From The UFO Menace, by Steve Sailer, 2017, TakiMag] For example, future president Jimmy Carter saw a curious series of lights in 1969 that he called a UFO.

    Now, this is often dismissed as no trustworthier than Carter’s claim while president to have been attacked by an enormous swimming rabbit. But the president really was attacked by an enormous swimming rabbit. (Things like that just seemed to happen to poor Jimmy.)
     

    LOL, great lines. It's almost as if truth can be stranger than fiction.

    In an interview around 24 years ago with one of the famous mainstream media news personalities, the Hon.[sic] Minister Louis Farrakhan described the "Mother Wheel" of the "Mother Ship"...

    Paraphrasing from memory:


    Farrakhan: Yes, and you can ask President Jimmy Carter, who said that he saw it.
    Interviewer: Just to be clear, Minister Farrakhan, what President Carter said he had seen was a UFO; he did not say anything about a "Mother Ship" or a "Mother Wheel".
    Farrakhan: Yes, he saw it, and many others have told of seeing the Mother Wheel...
     

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Joe Stalin

    • Thanks: Dissident
  228. @dimples
    "why does the probe always go up the ass???"

    My theory is that the butt probing aliens are the descendants of more primitive alien homos. In more advanced civilizations, it eventually becomes realized that the presence of homos is a serious political and moral danger to society that cannot be fixed. They are therefore segregated out and kept on 'poofter planets' where they can buttcram each other to their hearts content without endangering normals. Eventually the homos develop the science of asexual reproduction and evolve into the 'grays' which are apparently abundant in the paranormal interstices of this lower plane. Naturally the 'grays' retain their fascination with bums to the detriment of their innocent victims (unless they too are homos of course). It may even be the case that the anal probes are the 'grays' way of searching for their long lost homo fellow travellers.

    Replies: @Dissident

    In more advanced civilizations, it eventually becomes realized that the presence of homos is a serious political and moral danger to society that cannot be fixed.

    “Homos” is rather broad.

    [MORE]

    Brazenly buggering individuals who flaunt their depravity and demand that their objectively unwholesome, inordinately disease-spreading behavior is indulged, legitimized, celebrated and subsidized at immense public financial, medical and moral expense? Yes, to them, your statement most certainly applies.

    Individuals who make no such demands, who respect heteromormativity, but who merely have homoerotic proclivities? Or who even may, discretely, and within considerable constraints, indulge said proclivities?
    (Note that not all homoerotically active males engage in buggery. Search my comment archive for “frot”.)

    Naturally the ‘grays’ retain their fascination with bums to the detriment of their innocent victims (unless they too are homos of course).

    Gay propaganda would have one believe if a male erotically desires other males, he instinctively must desire and welcome being anally penetrated. The reality is rather different.

    Ultimately, no matter how much anyone may enjoy the act buggery (either end of it), the dismal anatomical and physiological realities of the act remain, as do their implications for public health, etc.

  229. @Dissident
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen


    UFOs are yet another hoax, along with Covid19 and the ultra-fraudulent 2020 election.
     
    I'm pretty sure that people who believe that Covid is a hoax, and that the 2020 election was "ultra-fraudulent" are a lot more likely to believe in UFOs than people who accept reality concerning the first two.

    (Said realities being (a) that Covid, while unquestionably politicized by all sides and exaggerated by some, nonetheless was and remains quite real, and (b) that while there was almost certainly some amount of voter fraud, as there is in just about every election, there is no credible basis for the claim that voter fraud determined the results of the 2020 Presidential election.)

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @dimples

    “I’m pretty sure that people who believe that Covid is a hoax, and that the 2020 election was “ultra-fraudulent” are a lot more likely to believe in UFOs than people who accept reality concerning the first two.”

    This website is not a good example for this theory. Most commenters here appear to believe the virus is a hoax and the election ultra-fraudulent. By my estimate comments are also about 9-1 against UFOs being ‘reality’.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @dimples

    I’d say most folks here have a problem with the reaction to the virus, not the existence of the virus itself. The election, as we’re starting to see, was rotten right down to the ground. UFO’s aren’t aliens.

    , @Sean
    @dimples

    There was an ultra liberal WASP congressman of the 60s and 70s who got mocked for once having attended a UFO conference. An old ex-amateur boxer (like Harry Reid) told me they used to train by heading the medicine ball and were seeing double the next day. Steve mentions Reid, but he would not be the first one to get funny ideas after his cranium being rattled; Joe Rogan has said he has seem even young guys exhibit all kinds of unlikely behavior after combat sports damage .

    People who call for a debate on a subject usually believe something extremely controversial about it. For all we know Steve is spending his days in a orgone accumulator disguised as a closet and thinks Wilhelm Reich really did use his "Cloudbusters" to fight a "full-scale interplanetary battle" in Arizona.

    Israelis seem to be not underrepresented among those who assume aliens are benevolent. Avi Loeb who committed credibility-cide over some space rock longer than it was wide is an professor of astrophysics at Harvard and a member of the President's Council of Advisors on Science and Technology.

    Haim Eshed is a retired brigadier general in Israeli Military Intelligence, and a key figure in their spy satellite program, the other year he had a book The Universe Beyond the Horizon: Conversations with Professor Haim Eshed published. In it, Eshed asserted that aliens have prevented nuclear disasters, including one during the Bay of Pigs Invasion.

    I suppose Israelis (and left liberals) tend to be hopeful people who think aliens would be like the US government has been to them: benevolent. People commenting here tend to have a rational variety of the tinfoil hat mentality. They assume that the US government is controlling their thoughts and threatening their existence, but through the mainstream media rather than invisible rays. And Israelis are evil, rather than descendants of idealist Kibitzers getting burnt in the sun.

    , @Dissident
    @dimples


    This website is not a good example for this theory. Most commenters here appear to believe the virus is a hoax and the election ultra-fraudulent. By my estimate comments are also about 9-1 against UFOs being ‘reality’.
     
    How representative of the population-at-large would you reckon those who read and comment at this website to be?
  230. the feelings of Woke people are redundant. Med-beds have saved some of my friends. But, while, you, Steve, still ‘bend the knee’ to the Cabal of pedo Cali/Unz shit platform, I can never post, even for fun, here again. You all, are the new, so NEW NAZI sympathizers …and, if you diddled with kids, well, the cavalry is gonna get you.

    • Replies: @Dissident
    @Lagertha


    But, while, you, Steve, still ‘bend the knee’ to the Cabal of pedo Cali/Unz shit platform, I can never post, even for fun, here again. You all, are the new, so NEW NAZI sympathizers …and, if you diddled with kids, well, the cavalry is gonna get you.
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxmkoG6dayM
    [Neil Diamond and Barbara Streisand - You Don't Bring Me Flowers Anymore]

    You don't bring me flowers
    You don't sing me love songs
    You hardly talk to me anymore
    When you come through the door
    At the end of the day
     

    I remember when
    You couldn't wait to love me
    Used to hate to leave me

    Now after lovin' me late at night
    When it's good for you
    And you're feeling alright
    Well, you just roll over
    And you turn out the light

    You don't bring me flowers anymore

    It used to be so natural
    To talk about forever
    But 'used to be's' don't count anymore
    They just lay on the floor
    'Til we sweep them away

    And baby, I remember
    All the things you taught me
    I learned how to laugh
    And I learned how to cry
    Well I learned how to love
    Even learned how to lie

    You'd think I could learn
    How to tell you goodbye
    'Cause you don't bring me flowers
    Anymore

    Well, you'd think I could learn
    How to tell you goodbye
    'Cause you don't bring me flowers
    Anymore
     

  231. the reality is: kids are trafficked. The containerships of Evergreen have transport humans. My family pretty much invented containerships so I know this shit – and fuck off if you know nothing about how much tonnage ships can carry. Just shut the fuck off. But, if you fuck with children, you deserve no mercy.

  232. so many of you, are complicit in child trafficking, because you have tried so hard to censure me, or ridicule me. Get ready to give up your life for your wife and children (too late for you to do something, btw) . You have, maybe, 2 months of time. After that, your kids get the same treatment as kids at the Texas border – meaning, they will go somewhere. All you condescending pieces of shit!, I revel in this time of your demise! Anyone , anyone who diddles with children needs to suffer and die. Only ones that can prove their non-compliance in monetary effects to sell children/babies, nor sell young adults, will be shown mercy.

  233. @Rockford Tyson
    They tried to approach t6he craft. The aliens laughed at them and *instantly* accelerated to Mach 15! They completely disabled all the ICBMs inside a silo just to show they can. https://youtu.be/yTaG9o_WgOI

    Bob Lazar, a physicist who claims to have worked on of these craft,speculated how the craft works. He said it utilizes an anti-gravity engine. A miniature particle accelerator bombards the element 115(Ununpentium) . When the protons decay, they generate a gravity fiel Then, thee gravity waves are channeled through tubes that contain a coil and electromagnetic field that channels those gravity waves. It's not propulsion, but rather repulsion. The gravity waves distort space, "compressing" the distance between the craft and the target. And because gravity bends time and space itself, that allows the craft to travel millions of light-years instantly. According to Laza, there are no wires or moving parts. The craft is controlled by th0ught. The mainframe is a computer that has biological parts in it, which allows it to capture thought waves. The outr part of the craft is composed of an alloy that bends but does not break, and resists to .50 cal fire without even a tiny nick or bent. Lazar said that it is something so unfathomably advanced that understand the principles of technology even on a primary level took months of brainstorming. Trying to reserve engineering the technology was an absolute failure. As Lazar said:

    "We were like Neanderthals trying to understand how a modern personal computer or jet engine works. We didn't have a clue, and we couldn't possibly have a clue"

    He said that craft has several small chairs inside, like for children.He claims a description about those beings was given. Thye are 4' tall,with heads over twice the size that of a human. They do not have sexual reprodution, a function that atrophied as they have been reproducing through cloning and implantation of designer genes for tens of thousands of years. Their biology is not entirely Carbon-based,and partly silicon-based.They are also semi-mechanic as well, as nano machines the size of molecules permeate their cells.They no longer have an immune system, as they steriliazed the entire biospheres of the several planets they inhabit eons ago from all viruses and bacterias. Despite their lack of an immune system, their cells are extremely difficult to infect as they are silicon-based and the surface proteins are not really compatible with any Earth pathogen, They live individually for up to 90,000 Earth years, as their proteins are extremely stable, and their DNA does not experience telomere attrition.They also have ovr 100 X the amounts of superoxide dismutase and catalase that humans have, which protects their DNA from both oxidative stress and ionizing radiation. They breathe oxygen like we do, but find it very difficult to breathe on Earth due to the lower amount of nitrogen in Earth's air. Their muscles and skin apparently are a same organ, and they have a single organ that performs the functions that, in humans, would be performed separately by the jidneys and liver. They eat a concentrated gel of proteins and glucose polymers. they cannot digest solid food, due to atrophy of their digestive system due to evolution. Their excretion is done though the skin, which is why they have a strong odor of ammonia. Their brains are twice the size of ours, and the frontal cortex is three times larger, and with many more convolutions. Based on this, they estimated they have IQs around 385, They also are unemotional by humans standards, as the structure of their brains equivalent to the lymbic system atrophied over eons.

    The story is that they visited Earth 25 million years ago,trying to identify potential species that could develop intelligence and a civilization. They identified a small lemur-like creature as a potential candidate. That lemur-like creature is. They visited periodically since then.

    The story goes is tha Earth is being quarantined. Since the development of nuclear weapons, the aliens are concerned with our war-like tendencies, and that we could spread throughout the Universe with our ideas in a few hundre thousand years, which is a very short space of time for them.So they are concerned. What the aliens are most concerned with, though, is that we have nukes but we don't speak with a single coice. The World is divided into nmational and religious blocks. With nukes and without a central control of them, that is a problem.

    Replies: @JMcG, @They Drew First Blood, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Lockean Proviso, @Anon

    They are peace scientists studying how to prevent us from destroying ourselves.

  234. @Eric Novak
    @i hope i'm right

    None of the Navy’s videos that have been released since 2017 as part of Harry Reid’s program has been debunked.

    Replies: @jamie b.

    So those aren’t among the videos Thunder00t has so adequately debunked?

  235. @Element59
    See Mick West's metabunk.com and his YouTube channel on this subject

    What can be equally, if not better, explained by human technologies and optical phenomena is much more likely to the the truth.

    But because there's an undying public thirst for UFOs (ET!), more of this stuff will be served up minus the professional skeptical counter-explanations.

    UFOs = Profit

    Replies: @prime noticer

    i assume this Mick West guy is the new Philip Klass.

  236. @dimples
    @Dissident

    "I’m pretty sure that people who believe that Covid is a hoax, and that the 2020 election was “ultra-fraudulent” are a lot more likely to believe in UFOs than people who accept reality concerning the first two."

    This website is not a good example for this theory. Most commenters here appear to believe the virus is a hoax and the election ultra-fraudulent. By my estimate comments are also about 9-1 against UFOs being 'reality'.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Sean, @Dissident

    I’d say most folks here have a problem with the reaction to the virus, not the existence of the virus itself. The election, as we’re starting to see, was rotten right down to the ground. UFO’s aren’t aliens.

  237. Sean says:
    @dimples
    @Dissident

    "I’m pretty sure that people who believe that Covid is a hoax, and that the 2020 election was “ultra-fraudulent” are a lot more likely to believe in UFOs than people who accept reality concerning the first two."

    This website is not a good example for this theory. Most commenters here appear to believe the virus is a hoax and the election ultra-fraudulent. By my estimate comments are also about 9-1 against UFOs being 'reality'.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Sean, @Dissident

    There was an ultra liberal WASP congressman of the 60s and 70s who got mocked for once having attended a UFO conference. An old ex-amateur boxer (like Harry Reid) told me they used to train by heading the medicine ball and were seeing double the next day. Steve mentions Reid, but he would not be the first one to get funny ideas after his cranium being rattled; Joe Rogan has said he has seem even young guys exhibit all kinds of unlikely behavior after combat sports damage .

    People who call for a debate on a subject usually believe something extremely controversial about it. For all we know Steve is spending his days in a orgone accumulator disguised as a closet and thinks Wilhelm Reich really did use his “Cloudbusters” to fight a “full-scale interplanetary battle” in Arizona.

    Israelis seem to be not underrepresented among those who assume aliens are benevolent. Avi Loeb who committed credibility-cide over some space rock longer than it was wide is an professor of astrophysics at Harvard and a member of the President’s Council of Advisors on Science and Technology.

    Haim Eshed is a retired brigadier general in Israeli Military Intelligence, and a key figure in their spy satellite program, the other year he had a book The Universe Beyond the Horizon: Conversations with Professor Haim Eshed published. In it, Eshed asserted that aliens have prevented nuclear disasters, including one during the Bay of Pigs Invasion.

    I suppose Israelis (and left liberals) tend to be hopeful people who think aliens would be like the US government has been to them: benevolent. People commenting here tend to have a rational variety of the tinfoil hat mentality. They assume that the US government is controlling their thoughts and threatening their existence, but through the mainstream media rather than invisible rays. And Israelis are evil, rather than descendants of idealist Kibitzers getting burnt in the sun.

  238. Sean says:
    @Johnny Rico
    https://youtu.be/DXGEeohrfmA

    Replies: @Sean

    Another fellow who needs to watch what he is smoking

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avi_Loeb#Panspermia
    In public interviews and private communications with reporters and academic colleagues, Loeb has become more and more vocal regarding the prospects of proving the existence of alien life.[56]

    On April 16, 2019, Loeb and Siraj reported the discovery of the first meteor of interstellar origin.[12]

    Extraterrestrial: The First Sign of Intelligent Life Beyond Earth, a popular science account concerning ‘Oumuamua, written by Loeb, was published in 2021.[57][58][59]

    She also has one “Whatever Happened to Life on Venus?”. There is a long history of such startling underassessed assertions making headlines and then getting quietly withdrawn

    • Replies: @Nathan
    @Sean

    I love Sabine Hossenfelder's videos and she would make a much better science publicizer than the lame ones that happen to be more famous. She does make philosophical inferences from her vast physics knowledge that aren't supportable, like her belief in hard determinism, but her physics videos are solid.

    Replies: @Sean

  239. It’s obvious. UFO sightings are plainly the result of localised time warps. What witnesses are seeing are those highly advanced intergalactic space travelling space Africans from Wakanda.

  240. @Art Deco
    @dfordoom

    The US sure as hell doesn’t want Global Government. It wants Global Empire, run from Washington

    If anyone wanted that, they wouldn't have put off establishing it until the country's productive output had been surpassed by China.

    Replies: @Lockean Proviso

    And conversely, if anyone wanted global government, they would’ve put it off until the US’s productive output had been surpassed by a Corporate/Communist regime like China, and until the US’s constitution and system of checks and balances had been undermined and replaced with a reliable centralized propaganda system to easily manipulate a pliable population and to manufacture consent to de facto control by globalist elites.

  241. @Sean
    @Johnny Rico

    Another fellow who needs to watch what he is smoking


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avi_Loeb#Panspermia
    In public interviews and private communications with reporters and academic colleagues, Loeb has become more and more vocal regarding the prospects of proving the existence of alien life.[56]

    On April 16, 2019, Loeb and Siraj reported the discovery of the first meteor of interstellar origin.[12]

    Extraterrestrial: The First Sign of Intelligent Life Beyond Earth, a popular science account concerning 'Oumuamua, written by Loeb, was published in 2021.[57][58][59]
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsoPOOJdJHM


    She also has one "Whatever Happened to Life on Venus?". There is a long history of such startling underassessed assertions making headlines and then getting quietly withdrawn

    Replies: @Nathan

    I love Sabine Hossenfelder’s videos and she would make a much better science publicizer than the lame ones that happen to be more famous. She does make philosophical inferences from her vast physics knowledge that aren’t supportable, like her belief in hard determinism, but her physics videos are solid.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Nathan

    If you love Sabine, check out Chiara Marletto.


    She does make philosophical inferences from her vast physics knowledge that aren’t supportable, like her belief in hard determinism ...
     
    We don't need Sabine for that. Sam Harris can cogently argue for determinism. Indeterminism is absence of certainty, which is how the real world conditions of decisions about what will happen in the future are, which has bearing in us not knowing what others are going to do. It has never been too clear to me what the theory of 'free will' is supposed to be referring to. A good poker player is difficult to read, Trivers would say because there is selection for concealing for motives even from oneself behavior indeterminate from a human's point of view is anything but. I think the real killer argument for free will is that us admitting we don't believe in it will lead to us (other people) acting worse as a result of them ceasing to believe in it. I think what is called Freewill is sort of a manual override evolution selected, and it can be cultural of genetic. Minority immigrant population from countries with strict cultures are the problem for admitting the truth of determinism. Freewill is sort of a manual override, and it can be cultural or genetic; in the West the majority population have self control as a part of their hereditary endowment through centuries of gene culture covevolution, they don't need to be preached at about free will and the associated responsibility for our acts. Immigrants lack the genes for it, so tend to need cultural support for good behaviour, but they find themselves in a permissive society where the majority don't need to try so hard to control themselves. So there is negative assimilation of Mexicans with them getting fatter and lazier with every generation in the US. Meanwhile blacks need the kind of draconian law enforcement that white society can no longer see the necessity for.

    Is entanglement real or is there a super-deterministic cosmic conspiracy? If there is, we are better off not knowing about it. What would probably happen is the new technology from superdeteministic theory will be used, but every individual will still feel deep down that they had reached a free will decision when they do good, yet when they act badly it was because there was no alternative.

  242. @Lagertha
    the feelings of Woke people are redundant. Med-beds have saved some of my friends. But, while, you, Steve, still 'bend the knee' to the Cabal of pedo Cali/Unz shit platform, I can never post, even for fun, here again. You all, are the new, so NEW NAZI sympathizers ...and, if you diddled with kids, well, the cavalry is gonna get you.
    https://youtu.be/d0cCJMrNZa8

    Replies: @Dissident

    But, while, you, Steve, still ‘bend the knee’ to the Cabal of pedo Cali/Unz shit platform, I can never post, even for fun, here again. You all, are the new, so NEW NAZI sympathizers …and, if you diddled with kids, well, the cavalry is gonna get you.

    [Neil Diamond and Barbara Streisand – You Don’t Bring Me Flowers Anymore]

    You don’t bring me flowers
    You don’t sing me love songs
    You hardly talk to me anymore
    When you come through the door
    At the end of the day

    [MORE]

    I remember when
    You couldn’t wait to love me
    Used to hate to leave me

    Now after lovin’ me late at night
    When it’s good for you
    And you’re feeling alright
    Well, you just roll over
    And you turn out the light

    You don’t bring me flowers anymore

    It used to be so natural
    To talk about forever
    But ‘used to be’s’ don’t count anymore
    They just lay on the floor
    ‘Til we sweep them away

    And baby, I remember
    All the things you taught me
    I learned how to laugh
    And I learned how to cry
    Well I learned how to love
    Even learned how to lie

    You’d think I could learn
    How to tell you goodbye
    ‘Cause you don’t bring me flowers
    Anymore

    Well, you’d think I could learn
    How to tell you goodbye
    ‘Cause you don’t bring me flowers
    Anymore

  243. @dimples
    @Dissident

    "I’m pretty sure that people who believe that Covid is a hoax, and that the 2020 election was “ultra-fraudulent” are a lot more likely to believe in UFOs than people who accept reality concerning the first two."

    This website is not a good example for this theory. Most commenters here appear to believe the virus is a hoax and the election ultra-fraudulent. By my estimate comments are also about 9-1 against UFOs being 'reality'.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Sean, @Dissident

    This website is not a good example for this theory. Most commenters here appear to believe the virus is a hoax and the election ultra-fraudulent. By my estimate comments are also about 9-1 against UFOs being ‘reality’.

    How representative of the population-at-large would you reckon those who read and comment at this website to be?

    • LOL: JMcG
  244. @Prester John
    @I, Libertine

    To paraphrase Enrico Fermi "Where are they?"

    Which raises yet another question: What if there IS no--"they?"

    Replies: @I, Libertine

    Andrew Anglin has a new column up on this website: The Pentagon Is Behind the Fake Alien Agenda. He says what had to say, and a whole lot more. I’m not sure a agree with everything in the column, but that explanation is less ludicrous to me than it’s aliens!

  245. Sean says:
    @Nathan
    @Sean

    I love Sabine Hossenfelder's videos and she would make a much better science publicizer than the lame ones that happen to be more famous. She does make philosophical inferences from her vast physics knowledge that aren't supportable, like her belief in hard determinism, but her physics videos are solid.

    Replies: @Sean

    If you love Sabine, check out Chiara Marletto.

    She does make philosophical inferences from her vast physics knowledge that aren’t supportable, like her belief in hard determinism …

    We don’t need Sabine for that. Sam Harris can cogently argue for determinism. Indeterminism is absence of certainty, which is how the real world conditions of decisions about what will happen in the future are, which has bearing in us not knowing what others are going to do. It has never been too clear to me what the theory of ‘free will’ is supposed to be referring to. A good poker player is difficult to read, Trivers would say because there is selection for concealing for motives even from oneself behavior indeterminate from a human’s point of view is anything but. I think the real killer argument for free will is that us admitting we don’t believe in it will lead to us (other people) acting worse as a result of them ceasing to believe in it. I think what is called Freewill is sort of a manual override evolution selected, and it can be cultural of genetic. Minority immigrant population from countries with strict cultures are the problem for admitting the truth of determinism. Freewill is sort of a manual override, and it can be cultural or genetic; in the West the majority population have self control as a part of their hereditary endowment through centuries of gene culture covevolution, they don’t need to be preached at about free will and the associated responsibility for our acts. Immigrants lack the genes for it, so tend to need cultural support for good behaviour, but they find themselves in a permissive society where the majority don’t need to try so hard to control themselves. So there is negative assimilation of Mexicans with them getting fatter and lazier with every generation in the US. Meanwhile blacks need the kind of draconian law enforcement that white society can no longer see the necessity for.

    Is entanglement real or is there a super-deterministic cosmic conspiracy? If there is, we are better off not knowing about it. What would probably happen is the new technology from superdeteministic theory will be used, but every individual will still feel deep down that they had reached a free will decision when they do good, yet when they act badly it was because there was no alternative.

  246. @Morton's toes
    @Bardon Kaldian

    There is a great line in one of the documentaries where Rod Serling announces with his poem cadence:

    Ezekiel saw a wheel
    This is the wheel Ezekiel saw

    I don't know how good a documentary about the phenomena of the objects it is, but it is an excellent documentary about the phenomenon of the phenonema. Like Alan Greenfield said "do you criticize Homer 'cause it ain't history?"

    Maybe the right description is Unidentified Flying Object Phenomenon. UFOP.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

  247. @Nathan
    @Anon

    But here's the problem. The Navy never said anything about intelligent extraterrestrial life. They said, "our pilots saw, and their infrared and radar weapons systems tracked, some object in controlled airspace and your guess is as good as ours." That's actually a serious problem. There is something in the sky that poses a potential hazard to navigation and nobody knows what it is.

    Here are some other problems to consider. Christopher Mellon, the former Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence has stated that these things are not classified US technology. You should believe him because his former position would mean that he would be privy to any level of classification or the creation of a special access program that would cover such technology. All of the footage that has been released, and apparently the UAP program itself is unclassified. If it were classified US technology, this footage would not be unclassified. Period. It's also important to note that the pilots who see these objects don't talk about them because they don't want to look kooky. That's the worst kind of group think. These are Officers trusted with enormous levels of responsibility and group think and social pressure should be the last thing they consider when describing what they encounter in the line of duty.

    My criticism of De Grasse Tyson is twofold. First, he is a physics PhD who apparently doesn't understand the nature of what he is looking at when he sees these grainy black and white videos. He should understand what infrared is, at least at a basic level, and why it's grainy and what that means. He doesn't. His example of the bird using displacement also undermines his reflexive skepticism. He says nobody ever thought to look and test what animals were capable of, but when he is confronted with information that doesn't align with his heuristic assumptions about the world, he dismisses it because he makes assumptions that others aren't making- that it's alien technology.

    I'm also embarrassed at the reflexive skepticism and lack of intellectual rigor in the comments. It's easy to make up arguments about how aliens wouldn't have come to earth from distant stars and then do x, y, and z. But that's no more intellectually honest and makes just as many assumptions as the kooky alien theories. It's hard to look at something and admit that nobody knows what it is.

    Replies: @Anon, @Anonymous Jew

    I’m also embarrassed at the reflexive skepticism and lack of intellectual rigor in the comments. It’s easy to make up arguments about how aliens wouldn’t have come to earth from distant stars and then do x, y, and z. But that’s no more intellectually honest and makes just as many assumptions as the kooky alien theories. It’s hard to look at something and admit that nobody knows what it is.

    That’s my impression too. I’m surprised that people open minded and curious enough to contemplate racial differences in intelligence brush of radar data corroborated by what multiple pilots saw from different angles. Assuming the world isn’t one big conspiracy, the evidence we have clearly refutes the “parallax seabirds blah blah blah” arguments (at least for a handful of these sightings).

    Again, we have no idea what it is, but based on what little we know, aliens is actually a pretty fair guess. It’s a better guess than Russians, seabirds and a giant, complex conspiracy that is perfectly coordinated and controlled by our incompetent government.

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