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In this video the white man’s refusal to boast about his race probably strikes the black man as a white racist microaggression, and with good reason. After all, what other race turns the other cheek to racial defamation so often and attempts to appeal to (white-invented) abstract ideals of universality that only whites really find convincing? The ethical superiority of the white race, as manifested in whites denying any superiority whatsoever, must be infuriating to other races.

Of course, the fundamental problem was outlined in Sobran’s Newsletter in April 1997:

Why They Hate Us
by Joseph Sobran

Western man towers over the rest of the world in ways so large as to be almost inexpressible. It’s Western exploration, science, and conquest that have revealed the world to itself. Other races feel like subjects of Western power long after colonialism, imperialism, and slavery have disappeared. The charge of racism puzzles whites who feel not hostility, but only baffled good will, because they don’t grasp what it really means: humiliation. The white man presents an image of superiority even when he isn’t conscious of it. And superiority excites envy. Destroying white civilization is the inmost desire of the league of designated victims we call ‘minorities.’

After such knowledge, what forgiveness?

How can the growing inferno of anti-white racist hatred abate? The win-win solution is for nonwhites to lift themselves up so that the gap that emerged over the last 600 years is not so embarrassing to them. The East Asians have vastly closed the competence gap and are working, slowly, on the creativity gap (note the sizable number of hard science Nobels the Japanese have won in this century). Blacks have somewhat narrowed the creativity gap and have some potential to narrow the competence gap if they make the effort. But everybody today appears terrified to ask blacks to try harder to not behave badly, so, judging, by the soaring murder rate, blacks are behaving worse.

 
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  1. New test: while the wokething is in mid-sentence, grab it and force it into a room where two Basketball-Americans (who are right next to each other) are deliberately screaming as loudly as they can, not because of some emergency, but because that is actually how they converse.

    • Replies: @Richard B
    @J.Ross

    Another new test would be to simply answer the question


    ""What Do You Like About Being White?""
     
    In a word, Everything!

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @J.Ross

    https://images.thestar.com/XZrODYkirgfLAYbjBXZ5QtYL7-k=/1086x577/smart/filters:cb(2700061000)/https://www.thestar.com/content/dam/thestar/news/insight/2016/07/24/that-time-bill-cosby-and-oj-simpson-were-in-the-same-wedding-party/cosby.jpg

    , @Hangnail Hans
    @J.Ross

    It's how they mark territory. They take over your grocery store by hanging out and yelling at one another, or at nothing or anything, and after a while you're too tired to go there and do your shopping.

    When that doesn't work [or even when it does] it's a short step for them from there to outright physical violence. If you hang around for that part you sort of deserve what you get.

  2. Everything.

    • Agree: Realist
  3. Timeliness? Rationality? Enlightenment? I’m white, and I’ve never seen these things floating around anywhere. Dude was just hedging so as to avoid the real answer.

    As a white person, I’m largely blissfully unaware of my whiteness because of the automatic perks that whiteness affords me in.

    Mr. Hill made it easy for him and he fumbled.

    What is dangerous about opposition to CRT was not addressing these things to begin with. What you’re suggesting is that the Dominant Group can go on carrying out Laissez-faire racism, bias etc without ever having to account for it. If you do the work, this will get better, now is not the time to stop. white people whitewashed history, & glorified their conquest of humans the world over, but now refuse to even own the term dominant group even though they’re the majority population in the USA. Nobody cries victim like white folks discussing CRT.

    whiteness is an idea. There is no country/ ethnicity of white. And before you say the same about “black”, we didn’t create artificial categories enforced by centuries of abusive laws & incessant societal harm. Disparate Euro ethnicities formed to mistreat to their benefit

    The same “you’re a victim crowd” are blindly following an orange whiner, and as they committed a violent insurrection over an “election fraud” lie, because they couldn’t handle him getting his dumb ass kicked. They believe his conspiracies, but don’t believe racism is real

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Tiny Duck

    ESAD and then burn in hell forever and ever amen.

    , @Keypusher
    @Tiny Duck

    Hahaha. Tiny Duck finally writes a (fairly) coherent post in complete sentences, and THAT’s the post that gets ignored. It really is an unjust world.

    Replies: @bomag

  4. Semi-OT:

    Yet another chance to put iSteve’s Law of Mass Shootings to the test:

    8 dead in shooting at rail yard serving Silicon Valley

    https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Official-Gunfire-erupts-at-San-Jose-railyard-16204532.php

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    I'm betting nonblack.

    Replies: @danand, @Corvinus, @Corvinus

    , @Gabe Ruth
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    Suicide at the end is probably about as good an indication as the ratio.

  5. What a weak answer. It’s hard to see why he’s so bothered about Noel Ignatief wanting to abolish the white race when he doesn’t even believe in the concept himself and can ascribe no positive value to the idea of such a thing. Isn’t that the very goal that Ignatief wanted anyway?

    The interviewer really exposed him with this line of questioning.

    • Agree: Cloudbuster
    • Replies: @anon
    @al gore rhythms

    What a weak answer.

    Perhaps he sees the trap embedded in the oh-so-innocent question better than you.

    It is a passive-aggressive line of questioning on a par with "Have you stopped beating your wife and kids?". Obviously asked in bad faith, and intended to provide something Tweetable for clickbait. It would be a bonus if there was any cancel-bait.

    The interviewer really exposed himself with this line of questioning.

    FIFY.

    Replies: @al gore rhythms, @Cloudbuster

    , @jon
    @al gore rhythms


    What a weak answer.
     
    There is no good answer to that question. If he says something that is actually important, the outrage ensues that he thinks that is part of White culture and not something POCs also do. If he says something trivial, then it becomes a meme - there is nothing good about White culture except X, just ask its defenders like Rufo. If he says something obscure, all the "good Whites" and the "fellow Whites" point out how they don't do said thing, so it's not even accurate to say it's White. And on, and on ...

    What would you answer? How would it go over? The question was bait, the guy was fishing for a response that he could make go viral so Rufo could be discredited and ignored. The best answer was no answer. The only way his answer could have been better was if he more explicitly called him out right from the start.

    Replies: @ArthurinCali, @photondancer, @gandydancer, @al gore rhythms

    , @AndrewR
    @al gore rhythms

    That's the thing. To the average Republican aka "white supremacist," his answer was perfect. Republicans, except for cucks like Greg Abbott and Nikki Haley, refuse to acknowledge genetic differences or the salience of race in general. Nor are they willing to acknowledge the clear fact that extremely high proportions of other ethnic groups, particularly Jews and blacks, implicitly (if not explicitly) want permanent revenge - whether that be through second-class citizenship, enslavement or extermination.

    This is why we keep losing. Because the vast majority of "conservatives" are fools and/or cowards.

    If Ignatiev had said we should abolish "race," then I doubt anyone even on this website would assume he was a malicious actor. But he went far beyond the "race is a social construct" thing (which is true to a large extent) and made it explicitly about exterminating white people. And he can't be dismissed by any honest person as a lone crackpot. He was maybe slightly ahead of the curve.

    We are in an existential war and only one side is fighting. Maybe whites shouldn't exist. Half of us are actively contributing to our extinction and the other half is either apathetic or cowardly.

    Replies: @Polistra, @Moses

    , @R.G. Camara
    @al gore rhythms

    The fact that he went on cable TV shows the man is weak and controlled to begin with. He knew his role, and rolled over accordingly.

    These Deep State hacks are not the leaders you are looking for.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    , @Ed
    @al gore rhythms

    Well it’s a trap for one. If he boasts about being white then Marc and others can brand him as a white supremacist which would jeopardize his appearances on Fox & his career.

    , @James Forrestal
    @al gore rhythms


    What a weak answer.
     
    Anon[371] responded:

    Perhaps he sees the trap embedded in the oh-so-innocent question better than you.
     
    Both you and anon have valid points. Perhaps little nuance would be in order here: there are two issues. One is the obvious trap that anon pointed out -- "What do you like about being White?" is just a setup to try to get him to say something that could be characterized as so-called "White supreemist r****m," which would then be immediately -- and heavily -- marketed by the "news" media as a "bad r****m uttered by an evil, Far Right White supreemist" and so forth. As we all know, under the prevailing principles of systemic semitism, any positive statement about indigenous Europeans and their diaspora as a collective automatically counts as a White supreemism. Anon is correct to note that there's nothing to be gained under the current anti-White regime by giving a "Whitey is GREAT!" response [and no, a Black interviewer saying good things about Blacks doesn't mean that Rufo gets a free pass to do the same with respect to Whites. That's not how the system works.]

    But the other issue is the intrinsic validity [or absence thereof] of White identity. And that's where Rufo's answer is weak. By going with a response that amounts to "I'm just another atomized individual, I have zero group identity because any form of group identity for indigenous Europeans [other than consumerist subcultures] is BAD -- and besides, race is 'just a social [Rufo says 'metaphysical'] construct'...", he's reinforcing one of the critical underlying assumptions of the hegemonic anti-White narrative in a way that is... not helpful.

    Rufo's response fits right into the preformatted anti-White dialectic. The critical importance of pseudoscientific race-denialist doctrine in framing this "debate" is evident in the way that the interviewer is careful to repeatedly and explicitly reinforce social constructivism. Like this: "'Whiteness* actually shouldn't be constructed as all negative"
    Note also what the interviewer says at about 2:13, in the last few seconds of the clip -- it's the standard canard they spew at any White who tries to dodge systemic anti-White hatred by going full race-denialist/ atomized individualist in one of these struggle sessions:

    "I would argue though, that the luxur-- that the ability to say 'I don't see race', 'I don't'..." then the clip ends -- but we can reasonably assume that he goes on to blabber about so-called "White privilege," "unpacking muh 'White fragility' from muh 'invisible knapsack of toxic whiteness'," and similar long-discredited anti-White tropes.

    Any halfway competent anti-White demagogue (like this guy) has an entire preprepared, memorized shpiel on how "White race denialism is da REAL White supreemism!" They can probably do it in their sleep. The dead giveaway is that the interviewer starts that last bit by "quoting" Rufo as saying something that he never said: "I don't see race." That particular phrase is a characteristic feature of the standard line of anti-White pilpul on this topic.

    Better just to say something like: "They're my people. It doesn't matter whether I -- or you -- think that they're "good" people or "bad" people. I don't feel the need to boast about their qualities or their accomplishments or their culture -- or to implicitly denigrate other peoples by doing so -- it's not really relevant. I'm just pointing out that this process of deliberate institutionalization/ systematization of a toxic, hate-filled, openly anti-White ideology like so-called "Critical Race Theory" is clearly driven by virulent, unreasoning hatred for any and all people of European descent. We need to do more to understand the origins of that hatred, and to try to mitigate it; to educate people, to raise their consciousness so that they can learn to let go of their hatred; to be at least a little bit more tolerant and understanding of the hated and feared White 'Other'." Or something like that.

    *Even the very word "whiteness" -- as deployed in typical anti-White rhetoric -- is meant to reinforce the pseudoscientific belief that the indigenous peoples of Europe are just a "made-up" group; that their identity is merely a sort of intrinsically-toxic metaphysical miasma that somehow settled on them at random, the effects of which Evil Whitey desperately "needs" to heal from. The specific language employed not only shapes the narrative; it constrains thought. The particulars of this language are not determined by some sort of accident, but by what is commonly termed "Cohencidence."
  6. What an odd question…….

    I can’t think of anything. Next Q.

    • Replies: @John Cunningham
    @interesting

    As a White man, I am proud of our centuries of philosophy, the invention of freedom and human rights, our courage in exploring the planet, and our science and technology. Things like the steam engine, electricity, antibiotics, and computers. Also antibiotics, shoes, and air conditioning. And don't forget the wheel. Africans never figured out the wheel.

    Replies: @Richard B, @Truth

  7. 1) Being able to pull out of sloped driveways onto the road at normal speeds,
    due to my lack of ultra-low-profile tires.
    2) The ability to talk to my friends yet still hear an ambulance or fire truck coming (see J. Ross above).
    3) Not so many stubborn stains on my blue jeans. (Coke blends in OK, while Fanta Orange and Grape are problematic.)
    4) The lack of watermelon and fried chicken jokes, even while I’m eating just that, watermelon and fried chicken … mmmmmm….
    1) Never having to worry about my hair. It do what it do.

    • Agree: Cloudbuster, Adam Smith
    • Thanks: SafeNow
    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @Achmed E. Newman

    1- Being able to optimize my grocery shopping dollar. (politically, nutritionally and monetarily)

    2- Knowing how to acquire (with no monthly payments) and keep maintained a modest, safe, reliable and comfortable used car that will get me from Charlotte to Virginia Beach and back. (provided I don't catch a stray dose of nigga lead while driving or stopping at a gas station)

    3- Possess three good references from prior landlords.

    4- Can properly sight pronounce most any three syllable English word.

    4a- Can sign my my full name in cursive.

    5- Can balance my paper monthly checking statement to the penny with a pencil on the back of an envelope.

    6- Have never done business at a rent to own store in spite of having gone through some pretty hard times.

    7- Having no student loan debt and no college degree in "studies" or social "sciences".

    8- Can use a paper road map to drive on back roads where I don't run into so many of you niggaz.

    9- Can figure a 15-20 percent tip in my head. (and know when to do so)

    10- Not worried too much when blue lights are in my mirror. No outstanding warrants--YET.

    11- I know pretty much all about my daddy from age three years up 'til today. Ditto for my two full siblings.

    , @JMcG
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I needed a laugh today, brother- Thanks

  8. The nice thing about being white is you don’t smell funny.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Stick

    That's funny because one of the most agreed-upon stereotypes of white people is just that...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PphBs8vp4bw

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9P_tjl94ZjA

    Replies: @John Johnson

  9. Personally, I like not having a chip on my shoulder over crap I have not suffered at the hands of people who have been dead for a long time.

    It’s okay to be white.

    • Thanks: JerseyJeffersonian
  10. I would have said that I don’t like being white, because it means no one tells me I’m cool just because of my skin, and if I’m always in danger of developing an inferiority complex over my own lack of achievement. I wish I were black, so that it would be impossible for me to starve, there would be no moral standards I could fail, and I’d never have to feel inadequate.

  11. Yeah, that’s a standard question the inquisitors ask in Critical Race Theory reeducation camps, and one of the answers they are looking for is “I enjoy my white privilege when I ____.” If the don’t get that answer, they tend to get openly pissed off.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @JimDandy

    Yes, the question is a trap, and a strong one. As anon[371], jon, and ArthurinCali point out, almost any meaningful answer will become a weapon in the hands of the anti-whites. Rufo was prudent to dodge and weave. Still, advanced white people should be able to turn the question around onto the inquisitor.

    Triteleia Laxa offers a pretty devastating comeback:


    Not having to worship mediocre achievement as great, simply because the person, who achieved, shares my skin colour.

    Not having to excuse harm for no other reason than the perpetrator is my race.
     
    Concisely exposes the fraud of Affirmative Action culture, and puts the burden of proof back onto the inquisitor.

    jon says, "explicitly call him out right from the start." Good, if you can pull it off. It's easier said than done. And the inquisitor can always take Hill's disingenuous "I'm just asking..." defense with an injured tone.

    jamie b. says:

    The proper response would have been: What am I allowed to like about being white? Is there a response that a POC can accept?
     
    That could work, but it leaves a lot of initiative in the hands of the inquisitor.

    Shorter stonewall jackson: "White wimminz!" Very funny. Would probably crack up the black guy. Neutralizes the question but doesn't reconquer territory.

    One answer not yet suggested: "I don't like being white. We are discriminated against and vilified at every turn." Puts the ball back in the inquisitor's court. Either he has to deny it, which is obviously false, or he has to justify it, which confirms the thesis and makes the anti-racist mask slip further from the anti-white face.

    Best case scenario is make the inquisitor recite the traits of whiteness he was expecting you to say, at which point you can ask, "Are you saying POC can't do that?"

    Replies: @DanHessinMD, @JimDandy, @International Jew, @Almost Missouri

  12. OT: Yep, almost certain Sailer law vindication. No images yet but here are the tells 1) 9 dead including the shooter, 2) name, Sam Cassidy (nice Scotch-Irish name), 3) the shooter set his own house on fire before going on his mission.

    https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2021/05/26/san-jose-vta-rail-yard-mass-shooting/

  13. anon[301] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s almost as though the WEIRD people originally from NW Europe have different behavior patterns they inherited from their ancestors; patterns that other groups of humans do not have. But that cannot be true, because “magic dirt” and “civic nationalism” say it cannot be true because the tabula rasa must be true because the idea that there isn’t a blank slate is very, very badthink.

    Because reasons.

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Squaring_the_circle

    The expression “squaring the circle” is sometimes used as a metaphor for trying to do the impossible.

    Separate something-or-other? Can we haz that?

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @anon


    It’s almost as though the WEIRD people originally from NW Europe have different behavior patterns they inherited from their ancestors; patterns that other groups of humans do not have.
     
    Yep, this Christopher Rufo is definitely a living embodiment of these NW European behavior patterns that no one else besides NW Europeans has ever exhibited. Extremely insightful take.
  14. Not having to worship mediocre achievement as great, simply because the person, who achieved, shares my skin colour.

    Not having to excuse harm for no other reason than the perpetrator is my race.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Triteleia Laxa

    You’re right. Selling your own children into the most humiliating subjugation to build a shitty obsolete airplane that doesn’t even work isn’t mediocre. It’s so rotten it stinks to high Heaven.

    And you did indeed worship it as great as the MAGA-man himself and his Congress made sure it was fully funded and bragged about as part of his Make America GREAT Again program.

    For God’s sake can you even hear yourselves? NYT talks about Till and Tulsa all the time because you’re coasting on achievements even older than that.

  15. The question was obvious bait to try to get a sound bite that could go viral. Rufo was smart for not answering.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @jon

    Media purposely offers "gotcha questions" embedded with accusatory assumptions ("when did you stop beating your wife?"), which is why anyone on the right doing media interviews better be prepared for them, and also, be good a deflection.

    The interviewer's objective is to make you look bad, and take you down--they are not interested in your perspective--much less an open and objective discussion.

  16. The East Asians have vastly closed the competence gap and are working, slowly, on the creativity gap (note the sizable number of hard science Nobels the Japanese have won in this century).

    Boy, it’s really, really, really important to the HBD crowd to show that East Asians are really just White people with a few minor cosmetic differences.

    Blacks have somewhat narrowed the creativity gap and have some potential to narrow the competence gap if they make the effort.

    If HBD’ers could stab White people in the back by giving every other race the same talents, they would do it in a heartbeat.

    • Agree: 3g4me
    • Replies: @gandydancer
    @RichardTaylor


    If HBD’ers could stab White people in the back by giving every other race the same talents, they would do it in a heartbeat.
     
    The benefit to me of the deficiencies of, e.g., black people is non-obvious.

    If everyone were as smart as Jews I wouldn't have to endure so many morons.

    Replies: @Gordo

    , @silviosilver
    @RichardTaylor

    Maybe.

    Or maybe it's based on their surmise that the typical white is a far gone racial fruitcake who can't ever be expected to prefer his own race for the simple reason that it is his own race.

    Even when their behavior betrays every indication of racial self-preference - what KMac terms 'implicit whiteness' - getting the typical white to admit it is like pulling teeth.

    And worse, even among whites who admit to preferring their own - and there are more than a few - those willing to commit politically to the notion are few and far between.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @RichardTaylor


    Boy, it’s really, really, really important to the HBD crowd to show that East Asians are really just White people with a few minor cosmetic differences.
     
    They’re different, which gives makes consuming their art as a Westerner a little more interesting, all else equal. E.g., Liu Cixin’s Three-Body Trilogy is great sci-fi, but it has an added alienness because it comes from a Chinese perspective. But they’re obviously pretty competent, even when judged by Western standards. They have skyscrapers and bullet trains.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @RichardTaylor

    , @AndrewR
    @RichardTaylor

    How would that be "stabbing other white people in the back"? Do you think other groups would use that additional competence to hurt whites? Or are you committed to being in the "top race" just for its own sake?

    Let me tell you a secret: if whites were really as awesome as you imply, we wouldn't be in this mess.

    If we could somehow make blacks smarter and better behaved, the bailey explanation for CRT and other "anti-racist" dogma would be useless. When you ask anti-racists" what their goal is, they will say equality of outcomes (although they dress it up in fantastical theories about how there isn't equality of opportunity and how that's the fault of whites). So if we equalized outcomes, they would have to just admit to the motte part and say "we hate you just for existing."

    The scumbag rapper Nipsey Hussle, whom Satan mercifully brought home a couple years ago exemplified this by telling a white man on a plane (who had had the Caucasity to ask Nipsey to use headphones for his music) that he would "slap you just for slavery."

    Replies: @Anonymous

  17. @The Wild Geese Howard
    Semi-OT:

    Yet another chance to put iSteve's Law of Mass Shootings to the test:

    8 dead in shooting at rail yard serving Silicon Valley

    https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Official-Gunfire-erupts-at-San-Jose-railyard-16204532.php

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Gabe Ruth

    I’m betting nonblack.

    • Replies: @danand
    @Steve Sailer

    https://flic.kr/p/2m1VJjE

    Affirmative, from the DailyMail, where America gets it news.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9621739/Police-respond-active-shooter-California-light-rail-yard.html

    A few clicks South, I was wondering why all the chopper activity this morning.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

    , @Corvinus
    @Steve Sailer

    "After all, what other race turns the other cheek to racial defamation so often and attempts to appeal to (white-invented) abstract ideals of universality that only whites really find convincing?"

    Exactly where you (and others) fall off the intellectual cliff on the basis of this combined strawman and false conclusion. "Abstract ideals of universality" were not invented by "whites", they were created by various ethnic and cultural groups. "Western man" refers to the designation Europeans put on themselves to distinguish themselves from other groups. Naturally by way of self-reverence and confirmation bias, anything less than their prescribed ideal falls woefully short.

    The notion of “whites” or “European-whites” being bound together came about as a result of Social Darwinism and imperialism in the late 1800’s–the distinction that separated “us” from “them”. In this manner, the “lowest-rung” whites were deemed superior in social standing than their darkie counterparts, while at the same time knew full well their “pecking order” within the European hierarchy. Speaking about "racial defamation"...

    http://science.jrank.org/pages/10962/Race-Racism-in-Europe-French-Revolution-Nation.html


    One of the first and most important thinkers of the nineteenth century to elaborate this view of society was Joseph-Arthur de Gobineau, who began publishing his L’essai sur l’inegalité des races humaines (Essay on the inequality of the human races) in 1853. Gobineau’s history presented human development for the first time as a contest of races. His book was heavily researched in an attempt to draw together the most up-to-date scholarship of the new realms of science, especially German archaeology and philology and French anthropology. He concluded that contemporary nations were the patrimony of a racial past defined by the conquest of weaker races by stronger ones. He posited three great races, the white, the black, and the yellow, that engaged in constant battle. For Gobineau, the victor and true driving force of human history was the white, or European, race. Yet, this victory came always at a price. Lesser races never disappeared. Instead, they mixed into the conquering races, leaving a weaker whole. The mixture, in fact, elevated lower races, in which he included the yellow and the black and their lingering influence among European peasantry and urban working classes, while the white race was degraded.

    Georges Vacher de Lapouge, in his study of European skulls in 1888, saw three European races and ordered their quality and value: European Man, Alpine Man, and Homo Contractus. He argued that none of these races directly correlated with a specific nation, but his descriptions of their behaviors and religious ideas were clearly meant to correspond to Germany, Southern Europe, and the population of European Jews. The naturalized German citizen Houston Stewart Chamberlain wrote in 1899 that the German race struggled to maintain its purity because of the Darwinian form of natural selection that caused Germans to feel a revulsion toward intermixing with lesser races. Overall, this putative science of race uncoupled nationalism from its liberal roots, implying that those who lived within a national community did not necessarily belong. One could act, speak, or feel German or French but never be German or French.

    In newly unified Italy, northern Italians in Lombardy saw the threat of southern peoples, the Sicilians or Neapolitans, as racially enervating. They were thought to be different because of their hot-blooded, less rational characters—elements believed to emanate from their hotter climate and their proximity to Africa. Similar ideas existed in Spain toward those from the south, in particular Andalu sia. In northern Spain, notions of racial purity became important adjuncts of the Basque nationalist movement that sprang up in the late nineteenth century. The presence of foreign guest workers, or maketos, from other parts of Spain, was perceived as a threat to Basque purity. Sabino Arana, an early founder of Basque nationalism, proposed miscegenation laws in 1901 to prohibit the marriage of Basques to Spaniards.

    Imperialism helped solidify a view of the world as a hierarchy of races with Europeans at the zenith and all others arrayed below. One ugly symbol of this worldview was the “human zoo” that appeared throughout fin de siècle Europe in international fairs and other public spectacles. This kind of menagerie, replete with dioramic portrayals of humans living in their “typical” habitat, produced wide-eyed amazement among Europeans of the late nineteenth century and established racial hierarchy not just as an elite, scientific view of history but also as a popular one. By the 1880’s and 1890’s, race existed as a concrete idea recognizable to any European. Race became an essential element of national strength—and required defense and protection.
     

    Of course, the hierarchy of race begs the question: If other, non-white races are inferior to “whites”’, then is there a hierarchy within the “white” race? Would not certain “white” groups be considered superior to others that seem “less white” or “not quite white”?

    "...The white man presents an image of superiority even when he isn’t conscious of it. And superiority excites envy. Destroying white civilization is the inmost desire of the league of designated victims we call ‘minorities.’"

    French philosopher Michel Foucault traces race discourses as far back as the 1600's. The earliest discussions centered on race as being of lineage, language, and tradition, correlated with religion and personal character. To be a member of the Saxon "race" was to speak and live like a Saxon, as compared to other groups. Now, would a Saxon (or an Frank, or a Norman, or a Visogoth) in their heyday have referred to themselves as being "white"? Furthermore, Foucault looks at how the idea of race "mutated". In the 1700's, to be a member of a particular race centered on having a specific physical appearance loosely tied to lineage. By the mid to late 1800's, race morphed into a biological concept based on the theories of Herbert Spencer and Charles Darwin.

    Let us refer to the Greeks and Romans, the foundation for "Western civilization". Their ideas resonated during the development of the modern European university in the 1700 and 1800's. Here, classical texts we know and love collided with the racial markers and attitudes of their day--along with Biblical justifications for slavery--as intellectuals of the time period created racial categories placing Europeans at the top rung when it came to scientific and cultural achievements. This result is other than surprising, given how the earliest charts of racial differences were rooted in racial superiority, as scholars has deemed the ancients as being the quintessential "white civilizations". Yet, would Greeks and Romans have referred to themselves as being "white"?

    There seems to be this conflation of "Western Civilization" and "whiteness" as embraced by the Alt Right today. To me, they are claiming "Since we have inherited the classics because they are our specific genetic and cultural legacy, we are a superior people by which all other peoples are measured and judged". So, iSteve and company, how do you rectify this notion with beliefs from the Good Book? The Bible says, “From one man he made all the nations. We are God’s offspring” (Acts 17:26, 29). Perhaps you would indulge me in dialectic conversation rather than your usual caginess:

    1) Do you agree or disagree with those Christians consider Europeans to be a “chosen people and Jews to be the cursed offspring of Cain, the ‘serpent hybrid’ (a belief which is known as the two-seedline doctrine)”? Why?

    2) What are your thoughts regarding Wesley A. Swift’s doctrine (he was founder of the Church of Jesus Christ Christian) that non-Caucasian peoples have no souls and therefore can never earn God’s favor or be saved?

    3) How is “race realism” justified from a religious position considering that Christianity’s drive is towards universalism? Just to make it clear, Christian universalism refers to “a school of Christian theology focused around the doctrine of universal reconciliation – the view that all human beings will ultimately be saved and restored to a right relationship with God”.

    Replies: @Keypusher

    , @Corvinus
    @Steve Sailer

    Of course, “white inventions” or “western science”, while noteworthy in their original ideas and innovations, owe much to gunpowder, paper, the compass, and movable type (Chinese), to the number 0 (India), and to the idea of a rule-based, law-giving universal Creator (Middle East).

    The rise of white people to jackbooting status, I mean bearers of civilization, was built on these discoveries.

    Keep in mind there are few inventions that are “purely white". Take this comment for example. It depends on the Internet and computers – “white inventions”. But it also depends on the alphabet, a Phoenician invention, and the idea of writing itself, which in the West comes from Egypt. At any point in history, most inventions will come from one part of the world because it is the most advanced at that particular time. So while most important inventions of the past few hundred years were made by white people, that is only because they have been on top during that time frame.

    The Egyptians and the Chinese had a far longer reign compared to Europeans when it came to technological advancements.

    Replies: @Nachum, @Roger, @JMcG

  18. Everything.

    To paraphrase Cecil Rhodes, “To be born white is to have won the lottery of life.”

    I feel sorry for my black fellow Americans, but it would be nice if they could behave a bit better.

    • Disagree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Jim Don Bob

    Beget is an active verb.

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @Jim Don Bob


    Everything
     
    Banging white women, especially blondes.

    Replies: @Truth

  19. Well, this Rufo fellow was not as bad as it appears… He said that “white values”, or those perceived as such, were:

    * be on time
    * rationality
    * enlightenment
    * objectivity

    Just, the black guy didn’t get anything …

  20. Blacks have somewhat narrowed the creativity gap and have some potential to narrow the competence gap if they make the effort.

    Yeah, heretofore the explanation for the gaping disparities between white and black achievements, white and black levels of violence, white and black cultural drama, white and black everything, is simply because the blacks weren’t “making the effort.”

    Nothing at all to do with genetics. We’re all just alike under the skin. Kumbayah.

    • Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian
    @Nancy Pelosi's Latina Maid

    You and commentator RichardTaylor are on the same page; i.e., pointing out the glaring, inflexible presuppositions of HBD thought, and how they lead to non sequiturs left and right with absolutely no self-correction through actual observation. Wishful thinking never gets self-corrected by those who are Wishful Thinkers.

    , @Morris Applebaum IV
    @Nancy Pelosi's Latina Maid

    Steve Sailer is the last person who would say genetics don't matter. He's just arguing that there is HUGE room for improvement, which would be a net benefit for everyone. Instead, we're seeing far worse behavior because the incentives are aligned in the wrong direction.

  21. 1965

    Nullification of the White Working Class Vote on Nov 3 2020

    Who ordered this?

  22. I like it when a negro tells me I have white vantage and I tell him “But I’m not white.” (True according to the narrow definition of white common in the Southern Baptist small-minded town I grew up in. *)

    The inevitable response, “But. You. Look. White.”

    *The covert discrimination was pervasive. I think my classification was not quite white. Good enough to be in the white classroom but not to invite to parties. The irony is that I thought the same way about them b/c a couple of s.d. below me and … their animal-tribal mindset was offputting.

    • Replies: @Jon
    @James Speaks

    May I ask what shade of off-White you are?

    Replies: @James Speaks

    , @Inquiring Mind
    @James Speaks

    I say that going forward, the physiogeny of the late Mr. George Floyd should be the standard of who is Black and who is not. I call it the new one-drop rule for whiteness. No more of this "passing as black."

    Including the interviewer asking the pointed questions.

    Turn it around. "I don't know what I like about being white. Tell me, kind sir, what do you enjoy about being white?"

  23. @Steve Sailer
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    I'm betting nonblack.

    Replies: @danand, @Corvinus, @Corvinus

    574B03AB-7FCB-4F97-BFA3-789B6508CA87

    Affirmative, from the DailyMail, where America gets it news.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9621739/Police-respond-active-shooter-California-light-rail-yard.html

    A few clicks South, I was wondering why all the chopper activity this morning.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @danand


    A few clicks South, I was wondering why all the chopper activity this morning.
     
    No need to wonder; you can download the Flightradar24 app onto your cellphone or put in
    www.flightradar24.com on your computer to ascertain aerial LE activity.
  24. anon[371] • Disclaimer says:
    @al gore rhythms
    What a weak answer. It's hard to see why he's so bothered about Noel Ignatief wanting to abolish the white race when he doesn't even believe in the concept himself and can ascribe no positive value to the idea of such a thing. Isn't that the very goal that Ignatief wanted anyway?

    The interviewer really exposed him with this line of questioning.

    Replies: @anon, @jon, @AndrewR, @R.G. Camara, @Ed, @James Forrestal

    What a weak answer.

    Perhaps he sees the trap embedded in the oh-so-innocent question better than you.

    It is a passive-aggressive line of questioning on a par with “Have you stopped beating your wife and kids?”. Obviously asked in bad faith, and intended to provide something Tweetable for clickbait. It would be a bonus if there was any cancel-bait.

    The interviewer really exposed himself with this line of questioning.

    FIFY.

    • Agree: vhrm
    • Replies: @al gore rhythms
    @anon

    Is it really sensing a trap, or just the knee-jerk sense of fear that any white person has around this subject?

    Anyway, I don't agree that it was a trap. By offering some examples of what he likes about being black, and by pointing out that others see him as being white, he had forgone the right to any feigned outrage concering the guest's answer.

    'Insofar as 'being white' is a synonym for my European, Christian heritage, there is a lot about European history and culture which I appreciate being part of'. Would that really have brought the Heavens down?

    Replies: @AndrewR

    , @Cloudbuster
    @anon

    What a typical White cuck explanation.

    You are basically saying that the "trap" is refusing to kneel.

    By kneeling, by saying "there's nothing special about being White" to a member of a race that ostentatiously promotes "black pride" you are simply saying, "Yes, massah, I like it here in this cage!"

    If every White would simply be as willing to express pride in being White every day as readily as other races express their racial pride, this war against Whites would be over in a day.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  25. jon says:
    @al gore rhythms
    What a weak answer. It's hard to see why he's so bothered about Noel Ignatief wanting to abolish the white race when he doesn't even believe in the concept himself and can ascribe no positive value to the idea of such a thing. Isn't that the very goal that Ignatief wanted anyway?

    The interviewer really exposed him with this line of questioning.

    Replies: @anon, @jon, @AndrewR, @R.G. Camara, @Ed, @James Forrestal

    What a weak answer.

    There is no good answer to that question. If he says something that is actually important, the outrage ensues that he thinks that is part of White culture and not something POCs also do. If he says something trivial, then it becomes a meme – there is nothing good about White culture except X, just ask its defenders like Rufo. If he says something obscure, all the “good Whites” and the “fellow Whites” point out how they don’t do said thing, so it’s not even accurate to say it’s White. And on, and on …

    What would you answer? How would it go over? The question was bait, the guy was fishing for a response that he could make go viral so Rufo could be discredited and ignored. The best answer was no answer. The only way his answer could have been better was if he more explicitly called him out right from the start.

    • Agree: ArthurinCali
    • Replies: @ArthurinCali
    @jon

    Yes, the essential catch-22.

    Any answer given would become another example of White supremacy. If he gave a remark on western (White) civilization and it's innumerable achievements, then every MSM outlet would be wagging the dog on how the KKK was making its comeback because he bragged about the invention of penicillin, or electricity.

    , @photondancer
    @jon

    "The only way his answer could have been better was if he more explicitly called him out right from the start."

    Which he should have done. Nothing is gained by pandering to these people. Barking "Just what kind of question is that? Are you trying to entrap me?" accompanied by steely glare would have taken the interviewer aback for a moment and put the ball in Rufo's court.

    , @gandydancer
    @jon


    What would you answer?
     
    A: "One thing I like about being white is that I'm not deservedly stereotyped as dumb and criminal, like Blacks are. (See the recently deceased Walter Williams on this subject.)"

    This might cause much outrage, but it's past time to not care.
    , @al gore rhythms
    @jon

    What would I answer? Well, the presenter had already given the guest the example of the way he felt about being black. Perhaps if he had said that the way he feels about being black--about knowing where you come from; having roots--is the way other races feel about their race too.

    And knowing where you come from, and having an attatchment to your roots, is as important for Europeans/European Americans as it is for anyone else.

    Replies: @AndrewR

  26. I like the micro-aggressing plus all the free education from woke folks and former slaves.

  27. @al gore rhythms
    What a weak answer. It's hard to see why he's so bothered about Noel Ignatief wanting to abolish the white race when he doesn't even believe in the concept himself and can ascribe no positive value to the idea of such a thing. Isn't that the very goal that Ignatief wanted anyway?

    The interviewer really exposed him with this line of questioning.

    Replies: @anon, @jon, @AndrewR, @R.G. Camara, @Ed, @James Forrestal

    That’s the thing. To the average Republican aka “white supremacist,” his answer was perfect. Republicans, except for cucks like Greg Abbott and Nikki Haley, refuse to acknowledge genetic differences or the salience of race in general. Nor are they willing to acknowledge the clear fact that extremely high proportions of other ethnic groups, particularly Jews and blacks, implicitly (if not explicitly) want permanent revenge – whether that be through second-class citizenship, enslavement or extermination.

    This is why we keep losing. Because the vast majority of “conservatives” are fools and/or cowards.

    If Ignatiev had said we should abolish “race,” then I doubt anyone even on this website would assume he was a malicious actor. But he went far beyond the “race is a social construct” thing (which is true to a large extent) and made it explicitly about exterminating white people. And he can’t be dismissed by any honest person as a lone crackpot. He was maybe slightly ahead of the curve.

    We are in an existential war and only one side is fighting. Maybe whites shouldn’t exist. Half of us are actively contributing to our extinction and the other half is either apathetic or cowardly.

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @AndrewR


    We are in an existential war and only one side is fighting.
     
    Seems like it's been that way for a hundred years. Seriously, what beneficial legislation or even cultural trend has there been for us since the Johnson–Reed Act of 1924?

    Speaks volumes about our strength, though, that you can attack us for a century and we're still standing. The worst enemies are like termites though--the damage is continuous and insidious, but largely invisible until it's too late.

    , @Moses
    @AndrewR


    We are in an existential war and only one side is fighting.
     
    Yes
  28. $1.7 trillion F-35

    One obscenity breeds another.

    No wonder they’re so excited about importing janissaries to suppress the populace.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Desiderius


    One obscenity breeds another.
     
    Having dealt with multiple Lockmart teams in the past year, I can confirm they are not the Kelly Johnsons of our yesteryear.

    I bet they made a dopey internal video about, "Why I got the jab, and you should too!" like the execs at my firm.
  29. Blacks have somewhat narrowed the creativity gap and have some potential to narrow the competence gap if they make the effort.

    The competence gap is the largest of all. Who would you rather be your cashier at the grocery store? An average black person or a mentally-challenged white person? How about a teacher – would you rather have a white high school grad or a black PhD teach your child freshman English? The list goes on.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Matttt

    I had a consult with a hematologist today. She was an African-Equatorian woman in her thirties who did not speak a word of English, but she was smart as a whip.

    I will definitely see her again, on Monday in fact, with some lab results.

    I later sent her a WhatsApp asking her to use some skin lightener before the next appointment, but apart from the melanin she was absolutely first rate.

    Replies: @Pericles

    , @SMK
    @Matttt

    The only reason that blacks in the US have "somewhat narrowed the creativity gap and have some potential to narrow the competence gap" is because they live in a country that was founded by English colonists and settled by Eurpean immigrants and their descendants, overwhelmingly German and Irish, and is an extention of European civilization. And, just as if not more signficantly, such "gaps" and disparities have been narrowed, predominantly, by "blacks" who are partly or half or mostly or almost entirely white: mulattos, qaudroons, octoroons.

    The only reason that blacks in Africa have narrowed the creativity and ocmpetence gaps is because of colonialism and contect with Europeans and their civilization. Before colonialism, as Jared Taylor noted in a video on black intelligence, no black culture in African had a calendar or a written language, had invented the wheel or built a two-story building, had domesticated animales, etc.

  30. @Jim Don Bob
    Everything.

    To paraphrase Cecil Rhodes, "To be born white is to have won the lottery of life."

    I feel sorry for my black fellow Americans, but it would be nice if they could behave a bit better.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Jim Don Bob

    Beget is an active verb.

  31. Western DNE white.

  32. The proper response would have been: What am I allowed to like about being white? Is there a response that a POC can accept?

    • Agree: Polistra
    • Replies: @anon
    @jamie b.

    Agree

    , @Truth
    @jamie b.


    The proper response would have been: What am I allowed to like about being white?
     
    LOL. now that would have been Alpha.
  33. But- what are “black values”, or, even more- “BIPOC values”?

    I would be interested to hear.

    Anyway, it is not about values. It is about ideals and types of behavior.

    Ideals of Western- “white” -culture are, among others: secularism, rationality, individualism, creativity, skepticism, self-consciousness, progress, empirical inquiry into everything, anti-dogmatism, humanism, …

    Types of ideal behavior associated with “whites”: plan your life, behave decently & reasonably, be on time, don’t lie, don’t cheat, be clean, don’t oppress the weaker, be a person responsible for her/his actions, measured freedom and not chaos, try to be innovative & creative, respect all those reasonable laws, exercise self-restraint, …. – and be ready, as Orwell said, to dismiss all the smelly little orthodoxies contending for your soul.

    • Thanks: Harry Baldwin
  34. ‘…Blacks have somewhat narrowed the creativity gap and have some potential to narrow the competence gap if they make the effort.’

    That’s optimistic. Even what little there is in the way of ‘black’ achievement is usually due to mulattoes, quadroons, and octoroons. Genuine, full-on black black achievement outside of athletics happens — but is extremely rare.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Colin Wright

    That’s optimistic. Even what little there is in the way of ‘black’ achievement is usually due to mulattoes, quadroons, and octoroons.

    Very few know that Frederick Douglas was actually a mulatto and at the time egalitarians used him as proof that Africans are actually Europeans underneath.

    Real convincing stuff.

    My favorite mulattoes are the ones that hate Whites. Look at Malcom X or Farrakhan. Yea some real pure bred Bantu there. Might as well punch yourself in the face if you hate Whites that much.

    Replies: @William Badwhite, @AceDeuce

  35. The interviewer comes off as an aggressive asshole. He’s asking the question to imply that white people have nothing to be proud of, and if they say they do he will savage them. I’m sure this jerk is used to getting what he wants through bullying people, but I think it’s great that he’s doing this on TV. Everyone is going to hate him and by extension what he stands for.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  36. Ignatiev was born Noel Saul Ignatin in Philadelphia…His family was Jewish.

    • LOL: donut, Gordo
    • Troll: gandydancer
    • Replies: @gandydancer
    @jorge videla

    In my heart I know Hitler was an evil delusional loser. So, I gather, are you, Mr. Wannabe.

    , @Jim Christian
    @jorge videla


    Ignatiev was born Noel Saul Ignatin in Philadelphia…His family was Jewish.
     
    Shocking! A Jew speaking as if he is White. Gotta love it. If the black guy knew his onions, he'd ask Noel if his family hails from Philly as far back as 175 years ago when slave brokers were Jewish and operated out of Philadelphia, directing demand for blacks from slave ships to Charleston SC slave auctions..

    The black interviewer is an idiot, they all are really, because when the lights go out and their toilets don't flush and that time will come someday, the privileged Whites who do their dirty work for them will have since passed from the stage. And blacks don't pack the brainpower to do that stuff. What do blacks pack the brainpower for, you ask? Africa, cannibals' pots, spears. Nothing First World.
  37. What I like about being White, the essay no one was ever asked to write.

    I like better odds of no criminal relatives. I did have a criminal in-law, who is now ex-in-law, who is still black.
    Sure there are the de facto genocidal conquering ancestors, but everyone has those, bloody species that we are.

    More children raised in intact families, more marriage.

    Quiet. Industriousness. Word is your bond culture.

    Avoidance of drama. Avoidance of display. This is the English-Scots-German-Scandinavian variety of White in my family tree.

    The sibling who likes drama and display was the one who went for the exotic partner(s) as above and hence the broken marriage, children from a broken home.

    I like White architecture, music and art, though not much of the modern. I like science and engineering, although many technologies are weapons on the flip side and getting scarier.

    I like gallantry and courtesy in men. I like the looks of white men. I like the very bone structure of white people.

    I like politics that tries to avoid clannishness and corruption, that acknowledges moral failures, that has expanded the circle of the protected. Evil to exclude the unborn. Stupid to include those who don’t reciprocate.

    • Agree: Rob McX, new Stalin
    • Replies: @jon
    @Elli


    I like White architecture, music and art
     
    As I always say, I like my music like I like my chocolate -- White!
    https://www.trionds.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/White-chocolate-1.jpg

    Replies: @Truth

  38. White isn’t a race because there are several races that are white.

    You can’t say that Russians, Poles, blonde Swedes, Italians, swarthy Spaniards and red-headed Irishman are all the same race just because some of them come to America and learn to speak English.

    From the point of view of somebody who was not born in the United States, it seems to me that black and white Americans have a lot more in common with each other than with other races, but they enjoy engaging in an uncivil war with each other.

    For example both black and white Americans are strongly into fundamentalist-type religion that hardly exists in most developed Nations. And they all love sports that only Americans play.

    If you had to point to some of the achievements of the supposedly white race, I guess you could mention the transition from the Stone age to the bronze and iron ages, the Roman Empire, Christianity, the Renaissance, sailing ships, cartography, the chronometer, the Industrial revolution, Evolution, scientific medicine, science in general, aviation, automobiles, architecture, literature, theater, movies, TV, classical music, computers, organized sports, universities, and the Internet, but otherwise we have very little to boast about compared to the achievements of other races such as building pyramids, and inventing porcelain, boomerangs, chopsticks, and hip-hop music.

    • Troll: AceDeuce
    • Replies: @Alfa158
    @Jonathan Mason

    Except for the “supposedly”, your last paragraph would have perfect, and he could in fact have been able to go on for paragraphs more, but it still wouldn’t have worked. The black would have broken in and stopped the recitation of White achievements before he could have gotten through even the first sentence.

    , @John Johnson
    @Jonathan Mason

    White isn’t a race because there are several races that are white.

    Funny how you can't use that argument when leftists are blaming Whites for the world's problems.

    Leftists certainly believe that Whites are a race. If they truly didn't believe in race then they wouldn't bother trying to scapegoat them for everything. Racial inequality would go away on its own and Africans would build a dozen Wakandas.

    From the point of view of somebody who was not born in the United States, it seems to me that black and white Americans have a lot more in common with each other than with other races

    Race from the perspective of television. Might as well give us commentary on the relationship dynamics of Tom and Jerry.

    , @Bragadocious
    @Jonathan Mason


    black and white Americans have a lot more in common with each other than with other races, but they enjoy engaging in an uncivil war with each other.

    For example both black and white Americans are strongly into fundamentalist-type religion that hardly exists in most developed Nations. And they all love sports that only Americans play.
     
    I've often made the same observation about Englishmen who also identify as Pakistani. They love all the "empire" sports like cricket and soccer, eat the same takeout kebab and watch the same television. They're as English as John Cleese and David Beckham. This is why when tradcons bemoan the "Pakistani" rape gangs in the UK, I laugh. These are English rape gangs being run by Englishmen.

    Replies: @Gordo, @Jonathan Mason, @James Forrestal

    , @gandydancer
    @Jonathan Mason


    From the point of view of somebody who was not born in the United States, it seems to me that black and white Americans have a lot more in common with each other than with other races, but they enjoy engaging in an uncivil war with each other.
     
    Nope. Putting up with Blacks is no fun at all.

    Putting up with a lot of Whites is no fun, either. But your odds are better.
    , @International Jew
    @Jonathan Mason


    black and white Americans have a lot more in common with each other
     
    True of over 60s, because growing up without cable TV we had to watch the same TV shows.

    Under-30s have nothing in common except maybe being raised in broken families.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    , @syonredux
    @Jonathan Mason


    White isn’t a race because there are several races that are white.

    You can’t say that Russians, Poles, blonde Swedes, Italians, swarthy Spaniards and red-headed Irishman are all the same race just because some of them come to America and learn to speak English.
     

    Lumper vs splitter, dear fellow. Once you are in the USA, the differences separating an Italian

    https://monicabellucci.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/monica-bellucci-interview-789x1024.jpg


    from a German

    https://www.hawtcelebs.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Diane-Kruger-at-2011-UNICEF-Ball-in-Los-Angeles-12.jpg


    look rather insignificant when compared to the yawning gulf dividing the European from the Black African

    https://ik.imagekit.io/bustmag/images/articles/37861/michaela-coel-2_54e2a.jpg


    From the point of view of somebody who was not born in the United States, it seems to me that black and white Americans have a lot more in common with each other than with other races,

     

    Actually, Black Brits have more in common with White Brits than Black Americans do with White Americans. Black Americans have their own literature, their own music, and their own accent. The last is quite salient. Americans can tell if someone is Black purely via vocal cues. When I was in grade school in CA, the White, E. Asian, and Latinx kids all spoke with the same General American accent, but the Blacks all had AAVE accents.
    , @Alden
    @Jonathan Mason

    You might want to check the definitions of race, nationality and ethnic group.

  39. I like white women in response to the question. Some of them anyway. Not the sort who look like, talk like or bitch like Hillary Clinton.

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @stonewall jackson


    I like white women in response to the question. Some of them anyway.
     
    That's just setting up the guy to say "Oh yeahs! We loves the white wimmenz! On that we can agree!"

    (thinking to himself meanwhile, "however I'm gonna get me some, an' you aint!!!")
  40. @James Speaks
    I like it when a negro tells me I have white vantage and I tell him "But I'm not white." (True according to the narrow definition of white common in the Southern Baptist small-minded town I grew up in. *)

    The inevitable response, "But. You. Look. White."

    *The covert discrimination was pervasive. I think my classification was not quite white. Good enough to be in the white classroom but not to invite to parties. The irony is that I thought the same way about them b/c a couple of s.d. below me and ... their animal-tribal mindset was offputting.

    Replies: @Jon, @Inquiring Mind

    May I ask what shade of off-White you are?

    • Replies: @James Speaks
    @Jon

    Yes, you may ask. I probably should have said “not whitey white white.” I did mention it was a small, small-minded, Southern Baptist town and every body knew everybody. I had always assumed the reason why so many of the low class whites felt it was their prerogative to just walk up to me and hit me in the face was I made 100s on tests, never studied, answered questions before teacher had finished asking, etc etc. Looking back, I now think it was because I had the audacity to make 100s on tests, never study, answer questions before teacher had finished asking, etc etc. Recently took at look at one of the goofy classroom photos with everybody’s name on back, and there were all these anglo/scottish kids who all looked alke with varying sheds of light brown hair, and then one kid with dark hair, dark eyes who just looked different. Also, my cranium was noticeably larger. I still have a big head.

    To answer your question directly, in most places now, no one suspects unless I utter the dreaded S word. I'm about the same shade as Basher al-Assad, and my uncles looked like his father.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  41. Semi OT but in the ballpark of Whiteness

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/may/25/america-racial-reckoning-simon-balto

    The Guardian’s current opinion article, “We are told America is living through a ‘racial reckoning’. Is it really?” is interesting if only in the way it holds up a mirror to the incessant projection of a belief that America needs a reckoning.

    The Oxford Dictionary has two definitions for the word reckoning:

    1. [uncountable, countable] the act of calculating something, especially in a way that is not very exact.

    2. [countable, usually singular, uncountable] a time when somebody’s actions will be judged to be right or wrong and they may be punished

    Both are revealing to what the BLM, Progressive-Leftist, and opportunist political factions truly want. In the current narrative pushed upon Heritage Americans it is not enough that unconstitutional civil rights laws were passed, or that special set-asides in government, academia and the private sector were enacted. Neither has the taxpayer funded trillions spent in the attempt to raise a group not suited for living in a western civilization.

    The author also refrains from defining in any substantial way what exactly this reckoning should look like or entail. He simply mouths platitudes and laments that support for BLM by survey and polls have dropped since last summer. Obviously, there is not a single mention of crime stats, incarceration, or the lack of meaningful contributions from this group for the country.

    His best example appears to be about the town of Wausau, Wisconsin, whose greatest sin seems to be taking offense at being labeled as a hotbed of racism and oppression. In clown world, being insulted when broadly painted as a racist community means you are hopelessly racist.

    What this article unwittingly shows is that validation and endorsement for the pseudo pain and righteous (to them) anger is what they want. To be recognized and accepted by the alleged oppressors. It truly is a cult religion in that if one is not a fanatic believer then one is a heretic.

    The renewed calls for reparations due to redlining, slavery, Jim Crow, or whatever fill-in-the-blank topic of the week boils down to the fear that as the nation’s demographics shift, more and more ethnic groups realize how useless and unnecessary a certain ethnic group is to the success of the country.

    • Replies: @James Forrestal
    @ArthurinCali


    In clown world, being insulted when broadly painted as a r****t community means you are hopelessly r****t.
     
    Similar to Mr. Sailer's usage of the term:

    In this video the white man’s refusal to boast about his race probably strikes the black man as a white r****t microaggression
     

    How can the growing inferno of anti-white r****t hatred abate?
     
    Both of you seem to be assuming that the r-word means something like "of or pertaining to the exhibition of 'excessive' in-group preference toward members of one's own race." It doesn't, and it never did.

    "R****t" and "r****m" were always terms that were exclusively targeted at people of European descent -- that's why "explanations" of why it's impossible to be "r****t" to Whites commonly use the term "reverse r****m":

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%22reverse+racism%22&ia=web

    Think about it.

    They spell it out very clearly in critical race theory [the hegemonic ideology of our time on the race question]. CRT amounts to:

    1. "R****m" and "r****ts" are VERY BAD.

    2. ALL Whites are "r****t"

    3. ONLY Whites can be "r****t"

    The rest is just pilpul. So what does that mean? "R****t" is merely a pejorative term for people of European descent. It has no meaning beyond that. It is not some sort of empirically-falsifiable accusation, and the anti-Whites are. With that in mind, let's take another look at the sentence I quoted above, but substituting a less emotionally-loaded, more direct term in place of the r-word:

    In clown world, being insulted when broadly painted as a BADWHYTE community means you are a hopeless BADWHYTE

    That's all it means. A White man attempting to "refute" the charge of "r****m" is exactly equivalent to a Black man attempting to "refute" the charge of "n*****ism."* It can't be done -- and you'd be foolish to try. By treating a slur as as if it were a presumptively "valid" allegation of some sort of "misconduct" or even "wrongthink," you're simply reinforcing their narrative frame; redundantly reifying the original ontological error.

    *A White "anti-r****t" is like a Black "anti-n*****ist."
  42. Note about Hill. He’s a parody academic. His primary home is teacher-training programs. You can tell from his published work that he knows nothing about educational methods or educational psychology. He’s never produced one paper on the subject. Teacher training programs have decayed into patronage mills for social ideologues like Hill and Robin d’Angelo and are properly shut down without a second thought. His entire career is bogus and he has only the simulacrum of accomplishment, not the real thing.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Art Deco


    He’s a parody academic.
     
    Aren't they all?

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @Polistra
    @Art Deco


    Teacher training programs have decayed into patronage mills for social ideologues like Hill and Robin d’Angelo and are properly shut down without a second thought.
     
    However, in the real world these programs are very much a growth industry, and the various scholarly metrics you might like to apply are quite idle in the fact of Institutional Wokedom.
  43. What do I like about being white?

    Mostly, not being black.

    • Agree: JMcG
    • LOL: jon

  44. I like needing sunblock, especially the white-nose part.

  45. @jon
    @al gore rhythms


    What a weak answer.
     
    There is no good answer to that question. If he says something that is actually important, the outrage ensues that he thinks that is part of White culture and not something POCs also do. If he says something trivial, then it becomes a meme - there is nothing good about White culture except X, just ask its defenders like Rufo. If he says something obscure, all the "good Whites" and the "fellow Whites" point out how they don't do said thing, so it's not even accurate to say it's White. And on, and on ...

    What would you answer? How would it go over? The question was bait, the guy was fishing for a response that he could make go viral so Rufo could be discredited and ignored. The best answer was no answer. The only way his answer could have been better was if he more explicitly called him out right from the start.

    Replies: @ArthurinCali, @photondancer, @gandydancer, @al gore rhythms

    Yes, the essential catch-22.

    Any answer given would become another example of White supremacy. If he gave a remark on western (White) civilization and it’s innumerable achievements, then every MSM outlet would be wagging the dog on how the KKK was making its comeback because he bragged about the invention of penicillin, or electricity.

  46. I’m not ‘proud’ to be white. I can’t take credit for the achievements of “Western exploration, science, and conquest,” because I wasn’t any of the explorers, scientists or conquerors that Sobran is celebrating. I’m just a retiree minding his own business.

    That said, I sure as hell am not ashamed to be white, and I’m fed up with the regnant false dogma that blames all whites for things that aren’t our fault, and with grievances that are entirely contrived. I am outraged at the corruption of equal application of the law with respect to the races. I crave an end to the anarchic violent crime rampaging in my city, committed mostly by a tiny minority of our citizens, outlaw black males looking for kicks.

  47. @jamie b.
    The proper response would have been: What am I allowed to like about being white? Is there a response that a POC can accept?

    Replies: @anon, @Truth

    Agree

  48. @Jon
    @James Speaks

    May I ask what shade of off-White you are?

    Replies: @James Speaks

    Yes, you may ask. I probably should have said “not whitey white white.” I did mention it was a small, small-minded, Southern Baptist town and every body knew everybody. I had always assumed the reason why so many of the low class whites felt it was their prerogative to just walk up to me and hit me in the face was I made 100s on tests, never studied, answered questions before teacher had finished asking, etc etc. Looking back, I now think it was because I had the audacity to make 100s on tests, never study, answer questions before teacher had finished asking, etc etc. Recently took at look at one of the goofy classroom photos with everybody’s name on back, and there were all these anglo/scottish kids who all looked alke with varying sheds of light brown hair, and then one kid with dark hair, dark eyes who just looked different. Also, my cranium was noticeably larger. I still have a big head.

    To answer your question directly, in most places now, no one suspects unless I utter the dreaded S word. I’m about the same shade as Basher al-Assad, and my uncles looked like his father.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @James Speaks


    dreaded S word
     
    "Syrian"?
  49. Huffpo just doxed an elementary school teacher (hat tip to the Anonymous Comrades Collective):

    https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/benjamin-welton-white-nationalist-elementary-school-teacher-writer-180522942.html

    It reads like a pearl clutching screed against the terrors of race realism and likely red pills a lot of unsuspecting readers by pointing to Taki Mag, VDARE, American Renaissance and a fun mention of Bronze Age Pervert.

    So, buckle up dissidents.

  50. “The East Asians have vastly closed the competence gap and are working, slowly, on the creativity gap (note the sizable number of hard science Nobels the Japanese have won in this century). Blacks have somewhat narrowed the creativity gap and have some potential to narrow the competence gap if they make the effort. But everybody today appears terrified to ask blacks to try harder to not behave badly, so, judging, by the soaring murder rate, blacks are behaving worse.”

    East Asians have not really transcended their nature as rigid, hive-mind drones. They still lie and cheat and are recipients of affirmative-action awards. East Asians are still riding the backs of Whites to whatever success they have. At least they aren’t violent. They are pretty boring though. They also natural Left-wing tyrants.
    And if Blacks have to be TOLD to behave better, then that tells you all you need to know about their basic nature. And that nature is that they are naturally stupid, incompetent, violent and have very poor judgement. Oh, and they are also loud, ugly and obnoxious.
    There is NO PLACE in White countries for East Asians, Blacks or any other nonWhites. They will ALL have to go.
    Jews are not Whites it bears repeating.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @Fisk Ellington Rutledge IV

    Nobels this century:

    https://i.imgur.com/0UDodeZ.jpg

    Replies: @res

  51. Why am I glad to be white? I am glad that I don’t have to be patronized by other white people.

  52. @al gore rhythms
    What a weak answer. It's hard to see why he's so bothered about Noel Ignatief wanting to abolish the white race when he doesn't even believe in the concept himself and can ascribe no positive value to the idea of such a thing. Isn't that the very goal that Ignatief wanted anyway?

    The interviewer really exposed him with this line of questioning.

    Replies: @anon, @jon, @AndrewR, @R.G. Camara, @Ed, @James Forrestal

    The fact that he went on cable TV shows the man is weak and controlled to begin with. He knew his role, and rolled over accordingly.

    These Deep State hacks are not the leaders you are looking for.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @R.G. Camara

    Blah blah blah.

    Getting diversitarian shitheads off white people's backs is where the fight is at right now. Rufo has been doing excellent work in this regard.

    Is it enough, of itself? No, but it'll be hard to get anywhere without it.

  53. Abe says:

    Blacks have somewhat narrowed the creativity gap and have some potential to narrow the competence gap if they make the effort.

    The Royal Navy got thrashed at Jutland (2x casualties, 2x the tonnage sunk) because too many of its shells were defective. The first day of the Somme (still the bloodiest single day in the history of the British Army) was the disaster it was also because too many British shells were duds and failed to clear wire or penetrate German dugouts.

    Assume Herman, the prototypical conscientious, slightly dull and not very funny German armaments worker makes shells of at least 90% good quality, in fact pretty close to 100%. Assume Patrick, the glib, musical, poetic and [email protected] when it comes to precision work Irishman makes shells of about 70% good quality. Only about 75% of the shells used on the first day of the Somme were good. Using these factors, you could calculate the actual Celto-Teutonic ancestry of Tommy, the typical British armaments worker, to +/-10% of actual 2020 genetic lab survey values.

    Even among genetic first cousins, race is (almost) everything.

    • Replies: @Matt Buckalew
    @Abe

    Guess Germans didn’t get those genes that help you navigate at sea because after handing out that “thrashing” they sailed back into port and huddled their for the rest of the war. Some thrashing.

    I was fucking this dudes girlfriend and he “thrashed” me so hard she broke off their engagement. Quit his job and left the state.

    , @John Up North
    @Abe

    The German Army was a superior fighting force compared to the British Army in both World Wars. Without American intervention Britain would be a far western province of a German Empire.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Abe


    The Royal Navy got thrashed at Jutland (2x casualties, 2x the tonnage sunk) because too many of its shells were defective.
     
    No expert. I've read all of one book--Castles of Steel--which i recommend.

    My understand is the shell problem was a design/material issue. The British shell explosive tended to explode from shock on contact with belt armor, obliviating the whole "armor piercing" aspect. With a better shell, the British would have, no doubt, done better.

    But the crux of the British losses was the speedy but unsafe ammunition handling on their battle cruisers which allowed a single hit on turret to flash back to the magazine. That and Beatty's poor command of the battle cruiser action accounted for the tonnage/fatality skew in the battle.
    , @Wilkey
    @Abe

    Yes, the diligent, "conscientious" Germans spent a lot of time thinking about how to wage war but not very much time thinking about the consequences of defeat, for either themselves of their adversaries. And after they lost the first time they decided to do it all over again just 21 years later.

    And then after two wars of slaughter against European peoples they voluntarily allowed themselves to be invaded by the non-European, non-Christian Turks - and in 2015 forced their fellow EU members to suffer invasion by non-Europeans yet again.

    Gotta love you them conscientious German types.

    Replies: @but an humble craftsman

    , @JMcG
    @Abe

    Your analyses of the Battles of Jutland and of the Somme are certainly unique. Beatty famously opined that “something seems to be the matter with our ships today.” He left shell performance unmentioned. Artillery use against wired entrenchments wasn’t yet a mature science at the time of the Somme. The RA was still of the mind that shrapnel rather than HE was effective at destroying wire entanglements. My very Celtic great-uncle was machine gunned to death at the bottom of Y Ravine near Beaumont-Hamel on July 1, held up by unbroken wire.
    I believe that most munitions workers in the UK were women by the time of the Somme.

    , @Lurker
    @Abe

    Other human factors play a role too . . . . within 48 hours of the Battle of Jutland the RN signalled it was ready to go into action again while the German navy never ventured out in force again.

    Replies: @gandydancer

  54. @J.Ross
    New test: while the wokething is in mid-sentence, grab it and force it into a room where two Basketball-Americans (who are right next to each other) are deliberately screaming as loudly as they can, not because of some emergency, but because that is actually how they converse.

    Replies: @Richard B, @Reg Cæsar, @Hangnail Hans

    Another new test would be to simply answer the question

    “”What Do You Like About Being White?””

    In a word, Everything!

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Richard B


    “What do you like about being White?” I asked this question to anti- Critical Race Theory advocate Christopher Rufo.
     
    “Everything but the outgroup altruism, Marc.. sheeeeiiit.”
  55. @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1397628808220475392?s=20

    $1.7 trillion F-35

    One obscenity breeds another.

    No wonder they’re so excited about importing janissaries to suppress the populace.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    One obscenity breeds another.

    Having dealt with multiple Lockmart teams in the past year, I can confirm they are not the Kelly Johnsons of our yesteryear.

    I bet they made a dopey internal video about, “Why I got the jab, and you should too!” like the execs at my firm.

  56. @J.Ross
    New test: while the wokething is in mid-sentence, grab it and force it into a room where two Basketball-Americans (who are right next to each other) are deliberately screaming as loudly as they can, not because of some emergency, but because that is actually how they converse.

    Replies: @Richard B, @Reg Cæsar, @Hangnail Hans

  57. @interesting
    What an odd question.......

    I can't think of anything. Next Q.

    Replies: @John Cunningham

    As a White man, I am proud of our centuries of philosophy, the invention of freedom and human rights, our courage in exploring the planet, and our science and technology. Things like the steam engine, electricity, antibiotics, and computers. Also antibiotics, shoes, and air conditioning. And don’t forget the wheel. Africans never figured out the wheel.

    • Agree: Richard B
    • Replies: @Richard B
    @John Cunningham


    And don’t forget the wheel. Africans never figured out the wheel.
     
    True. Same with the American Indians, north and south.

    In fact, Africans never really got around to fire either.

    Though, being so close to the sun they probably thought, What's the point?

    But, it's more likely that they never thought about it at all.

    Replies: @Veracitor

    , @Truth
    @John Cunningham

    How about the Shamwow?

  58. @Jim Don Bob
    Everything.

    To paraphrase Cecil Rhodes, "To be born white is to have won the lottery of life."

    I feel sorry for my black fellow Americans, but it would be nice if they could behave a bit better.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Jim Don Bob

    Everything

    Banging white women, especially blondes.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Jim Don Bob

    You're on the wrong board, Old Sport, let me tell you as one with 12 years tenure here, it seems the majority of your contemporaries get ill when they see a white woman...

    ...And those are the heteros.

  59. @Abe

    Blacks have somewhat narrowed the creativity gap and have some potential to narrow the competence gap if they make the effort.
     
    The Royal Navy got thrashed at Jutland (2x casualties, 2x the tonnage sunk) because too many of its shells were defective. The first day of the Somme (still the bloodiest single day in the history of the British Army) was the disaster it was also because too many British shells were duds and failed to clear wire or penetrate German dugouts.

    Assume Herman, the prototypical conscientious, slightly dull and not very funny German armaments worker makes shells of at least 90% good quality, in fact pretty close to 100%. Assume Patrick, the glib, musical, poetic and [email protected] when it comes to precision work Irishman makes shells of about 70% good quality. Only about 75% of the shells used on the first day of the Somme were good. Using these factors, you could calculate the actual Celto-Teutonic ancestry of Tommy, the typical British armaments worker, to +/-10% of actual 2020 genetic lab survey values.

    Even among genetic first cousins, race is (almost) everything.

    Replies: @Matt Buckalew, @John Up North, @AnotherDad, @Wilkey, @JMcG, @Lurker

    Guess Germans didn’t get those genes that help you navigate at sea because after handing out that “thrashing” they sailed back into port and huddled their for the rest of the war. Some thrashing.

    I was fucking this dudes girlfriend and he “thrashed” me so hard she broke off their engagement. Quit his job and left the state.

  60. @JimDandy
    Yeah, that's a standard question the inquisitors ask in Critical Race Theory reeducation camps, and one of the answers they are looking for is "I enjoy my white privilege when I ____." If the don't get that answer, they tend to get openly pissed off.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    Yes, the question is a trap, and a strong one. As anon[371], jon, and ArthurinCali point out, almost any meaningful answer will become a weapon in the hands of the anti-whites. Rufo was prudent to dodge and weave. Still, advanced white people should be able to turn the question around onto the inquisitor.

    Triteleia Laxa offers a pretty devastating comeback:

    Not having to worship mediocre achievement as great, simply because the person, who achieved, shares my skin colour.

    Not having to excuse harm for no other reason than the perpetrator is my race.

    Concisely exposes the fraud of Affirmative Action culture, and puts the burden of proof back onto the inquisitor.

    jon says, “explicitly call him out right from the start.” Good, if you can pull it off. It’s easier said than done. And the inquisitor can always take Hill’s disingenuous “I’m just asking…” defense with an injured tone.

    jamie b. says:

    The proper response would have been: What am I allowed to like about being white? Is there a response that a POC can accept?

    That could work, but it leaves a lot of initiative in the hands of the inquisitor.

    Shorter stonewall jackson: “White wimminz!” Very funny. Would probably crack up the black guy. Neutralizes the question but doesn’t reconquer territory.

    One answer not yet suggested: “I don’t like being white. We are discriminated against and vilified at every turn.” Puts the ball back in the inquisitor’s court. Either he has to deny it, which is obviously false, or he has to justify it, which confirms the thesis and makes the anti-racist mask slip further from the anti-white face.

    Best case scenario is make the inquisitor recite the traits of whiteness he was expecting you to say, at which point you can ask, “Are you saying POC can’t do that?”

    • Agree: DanHessinMD
    • Replies: @DanHessinMD
    @Almost Missouri

    I think Rufo did a great job. If Marc Lamont Hill realized that his question was a trap, then he is really nasty.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    , @JimDandy
    @Almost Missouri

    Thanks. I know of some other excellent responses, but I'm afraid I'm going to keep them in my own proprietary quiver.

    , @International Jew
    @Almost Missouri


    “I don’t like being white. We are discriminated against and vilified at every turn.” Puts the ball back in the inquisitor’s court.
     
    The inquisitor will say you're showing "white fragility".

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Almost Missouri

    Shoutouts to cuckdislikerand BLESTO-V, whom I missed before.

    cuckdisliker:


    Personally, I like not having a chip on my shoulder over crap I have not suffered at the hands of people who have been dead for a long time.

    It’s okay to be white.
     
    Formulated even more succinctly by Roger: "Not having a race-obsessed chip on my shoulder."

    BLESTO-V:

    I would have said that I don’t like being white, because it means no one tells me I’m cool just because of my skin, [as?] if I’m always in danger of developing an inferiority complex over my own lack of achievement. I wish I were black, so that it would be impossible for me to starve, there would be no moral standards I could fail, and I’d never have to feel inadequate.
     
    This delivers Triteleia-tier devastation. It'll be gloves-off after this. Also the second sentence at least would almost certainly be seized on and rebroadcast by Big Media as incontrovertible evidence of your NaziRacismHatefulfulness, but that might be okay because it is true and it names the Narrative Peddlers' racket, thereby undermining it. Back in the day, Trump used to be good at this kind of trolling where he got Big Media to broadcast his message for him by saying something he knew they would have a conniption over but that everyone else would recognize as true.

    International Jew:

    What do I like about being white? None of my cousins are criminals. We can hold family gatherings without fights or shootings.
     
    Ouch. Of course Hill will reply indignantly, "Are you saying that all Black family gatherings end with fights and shootings?!?" Rufo could say, "Just watch the news, dude." [That evening a memo goes out from the CEO of GlobohomoNewsCorp: "Effectively immediately, all coverage of family altercations among marginalized people of color will cease."]

    White Guy In Japan:

    As a White man, I like spending four years and a ton of money to [be] told I am responsible for all the evil in the world. I really love a tenured professor telling me about my privilege, which clearly oppresses everyone around. (Who still insist on hanging around me.)
     
    Sarcasm. It's what's for dinner.

    al gore rhythms doubts the trap and suggests a more conciliatory response:

    ‘Insofar as ‘being white’ is a synonym for my European, Christian heritage, there is a lot about European history and culture which I appreciate being part of’.
     
    That's mighty white of you.

    Would that really have brought the Heavens down?
     
    Inasmuch as this is a slightly more articulate version of "It's okay to be white", which has launched a thousand hate crime investigations, yes, it might have brought the Heavens down.

    Well, the presenter had already given the guest the example of the way he felt about being black. Perhaps if [Rufo] had said that the way [Hill] feels about being black–about knowing where you come from; having roots–is the way other races feel about their race too.

    And knowing where you come from, and having an attachment to your roots, is as important for Europeans/European Americans as it is for anyone else.
     
    Yeah, "same as you" might work, since Hill had already put that marker down. Might. But then Hill circles back to CRT talking points: "whites uniquely evil", "slabery", "Holocaust", etc. etc. Then you're back at square one but with less padding. Still, we want to go the extra mile for peace, so it's worth a shot. But si vis pacem, para bellum. Rhetorical peace, rhetorical war. Physical peace and war are being decided above our pay grade.
  61. @Richard B
    @J.Ross

    Another new test would be to simply answer the question


    ""What Do You Like About Being White?""
     
    In a word, Everything!

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    “What do you like about being White?” I asked this question to anti- Critical Race Theory advocate Christopher Rufo.

    “Everything but the outgroup altruism, Marc.. sheeeeiiit.”

  62. “What Do You Like About Being White?”

    “Not a damned thing!”

    • LOL: John Johnson
    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Reg Cæsar

    “At least I still habs tha Consdadooshin.”

    , @AnotherDad
    @Reg Cæsar

    That kid is in serious trouble.

    Replies: @Polistra

    , @Lurker
    @Reg Cæsar

    Guess Who's Coming to for Dinner.

    , @Dissident
    @Reg Cæsar

    As someone else suggested to you when you made a post nearly identical to this one a while back, isn't it rather petty and even cruel? To gratuitously mock an unfortunate individual, a mere kid no less, for a complete accident of birth?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Dissident

  63. The win-win solution is for nonwhites to lift themselves up so that the gap that emerged over the last 600 years is not so embarrassing to them.

    But if whites were helping themselves as much as they’ve been helping other races, they would lift themselves further up and the gap would remain much the same.

  64. “What Do You Like About Being White?”

    Everything!

  65. @Almost Missouri
    @JimDandy

    Yes, the question is a trap, and a strong one. As anon[371], jon, and ArthurinCali point out, almost any meaningful answer will become a weapon in the hands of the anti-whites. Rufo was prudent to dodge and weave. Still, advanced white people should be able to turn the question around onto the inquisitor.

    Triteleia Laxa offers a pretty devastating comeback:


    Not having to worship mediocre achievement as great, simply because the person, who achieved, shares my skin colour.

    Not having to excuse harm for no other reason than the perpetrator is my race.
     
    Concisely exposes the fraud of Affirmative Action culture, and puts the burden of proof back onto the inquisitor.

    jon says, "explicitly call him out right from the start." Good, if you can pull it off. It's easier said than done. And the inquisitor can always take Hill's disingenuous "I'm just asking..." defense with an injured tone.

    jamie b. says:

    The proper response would have been: What am I allowed to like about being white? Is there a response that a POC can accept?
     
    That could work, but it leaves a lot of initiative in the hands of the inquisitor.

    Shorter stonewall jackson: "White wimminz!" Very funny. Would probably crack up the black guy. Neutralizes the question but doesn't reconquer territory.

    One answer not yet suggested: "I don't like being white. We are discriminated against and vilified at every turn." Puts the ball back in the inquisitor's court. Either he has to deny it, which is obviously false, or he has to justify it, which confirms the thesis and makes the anti-racist mask slip further from the anti-white face.

    Best case scenario is make the inquisitor recite the traits of whiteness he was expecting you to say, at which point you can ask, "Are you saying POC can't do that?"

    Replies: @DanHessinMD, @JimDandy, @International Jew, @Almost Missouri

    I think Rufo did a great job. If Marc Lamont Hill realized that his question was a trap, then he is really nasty.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @DanHessinMD

    Of course Hill knows it's trap. That's why he asked it, and why he keeps insisting Rufo get into it.

    There is a reason that the media employ Hill over the millions of other people who could just as easily wear a suit and ask scripted questions: he knows the agenda and he executes it.

  66. @Achmed E. Newman
    1) Being able to pull out of sloped driveways onto the road at normal speeds,
    due to my lack of ultra-low-profile tires.
    2) The ability to talk to my friends yet still hear an ambulance or fire truck coming (see J. Ross above).
    3) Not so many stubborn stains on my blue jeans. (Coke blends in OK, while Fanta Orange and Grape are problematic.)
    4) The lack of watermelon and fried chicken jokes, even while I'm eating just that, watermelon and fried chicken ... mmmmmm....
    1) Never having to worry about my hair. It do what it do.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @JMcG

    1- Being able to optimize my grocery shopping dollar. (politically, nutritionally and monetarily)

    2- Knowing how to acquire (with no monthly payments) and keep maintained a modest, safe, reliable and comfortable used car that will get me from Charlotte to Virginia Beach and back. (provided I don’t catch a stray dose of nigga lead while driving or stopping at a gas station)

    3- Possess three good references from prior landlords.

    4- Can properly sight pronounce most any three syllable English word.

    4a- Can sign my my full name in cursive.

    5- Can balance my paper monthly checking statement to the penny with a pencil on the back of an envelope.

    6- Have never done business at a rent to own store in spite of having gone through some pretty hard times.

    7- Having no student loan debt and no college degree in “studies” or social “sciences”.

    8- Can use a paper road map to drive on back roads where I don’t run into so many of you niggaz.

    9- Can figure a 15-20 percent tip in my head. (and know when to do so)

    10- Not worried too much when blue lights are in my mirror. No outstanding warrants–YET.

    11- I know pretty much all about my daddy from age three years up ’til today. Ditto for my two full siblings.

    • Agree: Cloudbuster
    • LOL: Kent Nationalist
  67. @Reg Cæsar

    "What Do You Like About Being White?"
     
    "Not a damned thing!"



    https://listverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Falbino-1200x720.jpg

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @AnotherDad, @Lurker, @Dissident

    “At least I still habs tha Consdadooshin.”

  68. As a White man, I like spending four years and a ton of money to told I am responsible for all the evil in the world. I really love a tenured professor telling me about my privilege, which clearly oppresses everyone around. (Who still insist on hanging around me.)

  69. @Matttt

    Blacks have somewhat narrowed the creativity gap and have some potential to narrow the competence gap if they make the effort.
     
    The competence gap is the largest of all. Who would you rather be your cashier at the grocery store? An average black person or a mentally-challenged white person? How about a teacher - would you rather have a white high school grad or a black PhD teach your child freshman English? The list goes on.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @SMK

    I had a consult with a hematologist today. She was an African-Equatorian woman in her thirties who did not speak a word of English, but she was smart as a whip.

    I will definitely see her again, on Monday in fact, with some lab results.

    I later sent her a WhatsApp asking her to use some skin lightener before the next appointment, but apart from the melanin she was absolutely first rate.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @Jonathan Mason

    Good, good, next step is you have your meetings in an african-equatorian country, in whatever language you choose to use.

  70. He started listing “being on time”, “rationality”, “the Enlightenment”, and then said how they’re not just white, but the thing is they basically are and that’s why the angry black man was even more triggered lol.

  71. He should have said “I like being able to dive into Lake Superior and not immediately bang into the Edmund Fitzgerald.”

    • LOL: JMcG
  72. @Abe

    Blacks have somewhat narrowed the creativity gap and have some potential to narrow the competence gap if they make the effort.
     
    The Royal Navy got thrashed at Jutland (2x casualties, 2x the tonnage sunk) because too many of its shells were defective. The first day of the Somme (still the bloodiest single day in the history of the British Army) was the disaster it was also because too many British shells were duds and failed to clear wire or penetrate German dugouts.

    Assume Herman, the prototypical conscientious, slightly dull and not very funny German armaments worker makes shells of at least 90% good quality, in fact pretty close to 100%. Assume Patrick, the glib, musical, poetic and [email protected] when it comes to precision work Irishman makes shells of about 70% good quality. Only about 75% of the shells used on the first day of the Somme were good. Using these factors, you could calculate the actual Celto-Teutonic ancestry of Tommy, the typical British armaments worker, to +/-10% of actual 2020 genetic lab survey values.

    Even among genetic first cousins, race is (almost) everything.

    Replies: @Matt Buckalew, @John Up North, @AnotherDad, @Wilkey, @JMcG, @Lurker

    The German Army was a superior fighting force compared to the British Army in both World Wars. Without American intervention Britain would be a far western province of a German Empire.

  73. @Elli
    What I like about being White, the essay no one was ever asked to write.

    I like better odds of no criminal relatives. I did have a criminal in-law, who is now ex-in-law, who is still black.
    Sure there are the de facto genocidal conquering ancestors, but everyone has those, bloody species that we are.

    More children raised in intact families, more marriage.

    Quiet. Industriousness. Word is your bond culture.

    Avoidance of drama. Avoidance of display. This is the English-Scots-German-Scandinavian variety of White in my family tree.

    The sibling who likes drama and display was the one who went for the exotic partner(s) as above and hence the broken marriage, children from a broken home.

    I like White architecture, music and art, though not much of the modern. I like science and engineering, although many technologies are weapons on the flip side and getting scarier.

    I like gallantry and courtesy in men. I like the looks of white men. I like the very bone structure of white people.

    I like politics that tries to avoid clannishness and corruption, that acknowledges moral failures, that has expanded the circle of the protected. Evil to exclude the unborn. Stupid to include those who don't reciprocate.

    Replies: @jon

    I like White architecture, music and art

    As I always say, I like my music like I like my chocolate — White!

    • Replies: @Truth
    @jon


    As I always say, I like my music like I like my chocolate
     
    Nutty and packaged?

    Replies: @iDeplorable, @Jim Don Bob

  74. @J.Ross
    New test: while the wokething is in mid-sentence, grab it and force it into a room where two Basketball-Americans (who are right next to each other) are deliberately screaming as loudly as they can, not because of some emergency, but because that is actually how they converse.

    Replies: @Richard B, @Reg Cæsar, @Hangnail Hans

    It’s how they mark territory. They take over your grocery store by hanging out and yelling at one another, or at nothing or anything, and after a while you’re too tired to go there and do your shopping.

    When that doesn’t work [or even when it does] it’s a short step for them from there to outright physical violence. If you hang around for that part you sort of deserve what you get.

  75. “”What Do You Like About Being White?””

    I love the smell of privilege in the morning. Far better than napalm.

    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    @kaganovitch

    "Privilege...smells like...victory."

  76. @Abe

    Blacks have somewhat narrowed the creativity gap and have some potential to narrow the competence gap if they make the effort.
     
    The Royal Navy got thrashed at Jutland (2x casualties, 2x the tonnage sunk) because too many of its shells were defective. The first day of the Somme (still the bloodiest single day in the history of the British Army) was the disaster it was also because too many British shells were duds and failed to clear wire or penetrate German dugouts.

    Assume Herman, the prototypical conscientious, slightly dull and not very funny German armaments worker makes shells of at least 90% good quality, in fact pretty close to 100%. Assume Patrick, the glib, musical, poetic and [email protected] when it comes to precision work Irishman makes shells of about 70% good quality. Only about 75% of the shells used on the first day of the Somme were good. Using these factors, you could calculate the actual Celto-Teutonic ancestry of Tommy, the typical British armaments worker, to +/-10% of actual 2020 genetic lab survey values.

    Even among genetic first cousins, race is (almost) everything.

    Replies: @Matt Buckalew, @John Up North, @AnotherDad, @Wilkey, @JMcG, @Lurker

    The Royal Navy got thrashed at Jutland (2x casualties, 2x the tonnage sunk) because too many of its shells were defective.

    No expert. I’ve read all of one book–Castles of Steel–which i recommend.

    My understand is the shell problem was a design/material issue. The British shell explosive tended to explode from shock on contact with belt armor, obliviating the whole “armor piercing” aspect. With a better shell, the British would have, no doubt, done better.

    But the crux of the British losses was the speedy but unsafe ammunition handling on their battle cruisers which allowed a single hit on turret to flash back to the magazine. That and Beatty’s poor command of the battle cruiser action accounted for the tonnage/fatality skew in the battle.

    • Agree: JMcG, gandydancer
  77. @Reg Cæsar

    "What Do You Like About Being White?"
     
    "Not a damned thing!"



    https://listverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Falbino-1200x720.jpg

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @AnotherDad, @Lurker, @Dissident

    That kid is in serious trouble.

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @AnotherDad

    It's a distillation of the future of whitey on the planet.

  78. @Abe

    Blacks have somewhat narrowed the creativity gap and have some potential to narrow the competence gap if they make the effort.
     
    The Royal Navy got thrashed at Jutland (2x casualties, 2x the tonnage sunk) because too many of its shells were defective. The first day of the Somme (still the bloodiest single day in the history of the British Army) was the disaster it was also because too many British shells were duds and failed to clear wire or penetrate German dugouts.

    Assume Herman, the prototypical conscientious, slightly dull and not very funny German armaments worker makes shells of at least 90% good quality, in fact pretty close to 100%. Assume Patrick, the glib, musical, poetic and [email protected] when it comes to precision work Irishman makes shells of about 70% good quality. Only about 75% of the shells used on the first day of the Somme were good. Using these factors, you could calculate the actual Celto-Teutonic ancestry of Tommy, the typical British armaments worker, to +/-10% of actual 2020 genetic lab survey values.

    Even among genetic first cousins, race is (almost) everything.

    Replies: @Matt Buckalew, @John Up North, @AnotherDad, @Wilkey, @JMcG, @Lurker

    Yes, the diligent, “conscientious” Germans spent a lot of time thinking about how to wage war but not very much time thinking about the consequences of defeat, for either themselves of their adversaries. And after they lost the first time they decided to do it all over again just 21 years later.

    And then after two wars of slaughter against European peoples they voluntarily allowed themselves to be invaded by the non-European, non-Christian Turks – and in 2015 forced their fellow EU members to suffer invasion by non-Europeans yet again.

    Gotta love you them conscientious German types.

    • Replies: @but an humble craftsman
    @Wilkey

    ... the streets of London ...

  79. @Jonathan Mason
    White isn't a race because there are several races that are white.

    You can't say that Russians, Poles, blonde Swedes, Italians, swarthy Spaniards and red-headed Irishman are all the same race just because some of them come to America and learn to speak English.

    From the point of view of somebody who was not born in the United States, it seems to me that black and white Americans have a lot more in common with each other than with other races, but they enjoy engaging in an uncivil war with each other.

    For example both black and white Americans are strongly into fundamentalist-type religion that hardly exists in most developed Nations. And they all love sports that only Americans play.

    If you had to point to some of the achievements of the supposedly white race, I guess you could mention the transition from the Stone age to the bronze and iron ages, the Roman Empire, Christianity, the Renaissance, sailing ships, cartography, the chronometer, the Industrial revolution, Evolution, scientific medicine, science in general, aviation, automobiles, architecture, literature, theater, movies, TV, classical music, computers, organized sports, universities, and the Internet, but otherwise we have very little to boast about compared to the achievements of other races such as building pyramids, and inventing porcelain, boomerangs, chopsticks, and hip-hop music.

    Replies: @Alfa158, @John Johnson, @Bragadocious, @gandydancer, @International Jew, @syonredux, @Alden

    Except for the “supposedly”, your last paragraph would have perfect, and he could in fact have been able to go on for paragraphs more, but it still wouldn’t have worked. The black would have broken in and stopped the recitation of White achievements before he could have gotten through even the first sentence.

  80. If you’ve read that Sobran passage and this one from Larry Auster, you know pretty much all you need to know to understand modern American politics.

    http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/019843.html

  81. @danand
    @Steve Sailer

    https://flic.kr/p/2m1VJjE

    Affirmative, from the DailyMail, where America gets it news.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9621739/Police-respond-active-shooter-California-light-rail-yard.html

    A few clicks South, I was wondering why all the chopper activity this morning.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

    A few clicks South, I was wondering why all the chopper activity this morning.

    No need to wonder; you can download the Flightradar24 app onto your cellphone or put in
    http://www.flightradar24.com on your computer to ascertain aerial LE activity.

  82. @Achmed E. Newman
    1) Being able to pull out of sloped driveways onto the road at normal speeds,
    due to my lack of ultra-low-profile tires.
    2) The ability to talk to my friends yet still hear an ambulance or fire truck coming (see J. Ross above).
    3) Not so many stubborn stains on my blue jeans. (Coke blends in OK, while Fanta Orange and Grape are problematic.)
    4) The lack of watermelon and fried chicken jokes, even while I'm eating just that, watermelon and fried chicken ... mmmmmm....
    1) Never having to worry about my hair. It do what it do.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @JMcG

    I needed a laugh today, brother- Thanks

  83. @Art Deco
    Note about Hill. He's a parody academic. His primary home is teacher-training programs. You can tell from his published work that he knows nothing about educational methods or educational psychology. He's never produced one paper on the subject. Teacher training programs have decayed into patronage mills for social ideologues like Hill and Robin d'Angelo and are properly shut down without a second thought. His entire career is bogus and he has only the simulacrum of accomplishment, not the real thing.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Polistra

    He’s a parody academic.

    Aren’t they all?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Hibernian

    Aren't who all?

  84. @jon
    @al gore rhythms


    What a weak answer.
     
    There is no good answer to that question. If he says something that is actually important, the outrage ensues that he thinks that is part of White culture and not something POCs also do. If he says something trivial, then it becomes a meme - there is nothing good about White culture except X, just ask its defenders like Rufo. If he says something obscure, all the "good Whites" and the "fellow Whites" point out how they don't do said thing, so it's not even accurate to say it's White. And on, and on ...

    What would you answer? How would it go over? The question was bait, the guy was fishing for a response that he could make go viral so Rufo could be discredited and ignored. The best answer was no answer. The only way his answer could have been better was if he more explicitly called him out right from the start.

    Replies: @ArthurinCali, @photondancer, @gandydancer, @al gore rhythms

    “The only way his answer could have been better was if he more explicitly called him out right from the start.”

    Which he should have done. Nothing is gained by pandering to these people. Barking “Just what kind of question is that? Are you trying to entrap me?” accompanied by steely glare would have taken the interviewer aback for a moment and put the ball in Rufo’s court.

  85. @AndrewR
    @al gore rhythms

    That's the thing. To the average Republican aka "white supremacist," his answer was perfect. Republicans, except for cucks like Greg Abbott and Nikki Haley, refuse to acknowledge genetic differences or the salience of race in general. Nor are they willing to acknowledge the clear fact that extremely high proportions of other ethnic groups, particularly Jews and blacks, implicitly (if not explicitly) want permanent revenge - whether that be through second-class citizenship, enslavement or extermination.

    This is why we keep losing. Because the vast majority of "conservatives" are fools and/or cowards.

    If Ignatiev had said we should abolish "race," then I doubt anyone even on this website would assume he was a malicious actor. But he went far beyond the "race is a social construct" thing (which is true to a large extent) and made it explicitly about exterminating white people. And he can't be dismissed by any honest person as a lone crackpot. He was maybe slightly ahead of the curve.

    We are in an existential war and only one side is fighting. Maybe whites shouldn't exist. Half of us are actively contributing to our extinction and the other half is either apathetic or cowardly.

    Replies: @Polistra, @Moses

    We are in an existential war and only one side is fighting.

    Seems like it’s been that way for a hundred years. Seriously, what beneficial legislation or even cultural trend has there been for us since the Johnson–Reed Act of 1924?

    Speaks volumes about our strength, though, that you can attack us for a century and we’re still standing. The worst enemies are like termites though–the damage is continuous and insidious, but largely invisible until it’s too late.

  86. Can go outside in 60 degree weather without putting on a parka

    Not so great in the sun though

  87. The Asian and the Indo-European have each created incredible civilizations for themselves. The African can not, and will not, until his brain physiologically more closely resembles that of the other two. For various reasons, that will not happen. Read Richard Fuerle’s “Erectus Walks Amongst Us” here on TUR for a complete explanation.

  88. JMcG says:
    @Abe

    Blacks have somewhat narrowed the creativity gap and have some potential to narrow the competence gap if they make the effort.
     
    The Royal Navy got thrashed at Jutland (2x casualties, 2x the tonnage sunk) because too many of its shells were defective. The first day of the Somme (still the bloodiest single day in the history of the British Army) was the disaster it was also because too many British shells were duds and failed to clear wire or penetrate German dugouts.

    Assume Herman, the prototypical conscientious, slightly dull and not very funny German armaments worker makes shells of at least 90% good quality, in fact pretty close to 100%. Assume Patrick, the glib, musical, poetic and [email protected] when it comes to precision work Irishman makes shells of about 70% good quality. Only about 75% of the shells used on the first day of the Somme were good. Using these factors, you could calculate the actual Celto-Teutonic ancestry of Tommy, the typical British armaments worker, to +/-10% of actual 2020 genetic lab survey values.

    Even among genetic first cousins, race is (almost) everything.

    Replies: @Matt Buckalew, @John Up North, @AnotherDad, @Wilkey, @JMcG, @Lurker

    Your analyses of the Battles of Jutland and of the Somme are certainly unique. Beatty famously opined that “something seems to be the matter with our ships today.” He left shell performance unmentioned. Artillery use against wired entrenchments wasn’t yet a mature science at the time of the Somme. The RA was still of the mind that shrapnel rather than HE was effective at destroying wire entanglements. My very Celtic great-uncle was machine gunned to death at the bottom of Y Ravine near Beaumont-Hamel on July 1, held up by unbroken wire.
    I believe that most munitions workers in the UK were women by the time of the Somme.

  89. It is all so hard.

    It is difficult to be fair to both races, because white people would rather be judged on the color of their skin, whereas Black people would rather be judged by the content of their character.

    Did I get that right? No wait, it is the other way round!

    When it comes to affirmative action in education and hiring, promoting young black people from affluent black families based on the color of their skin seems wrong to White folks who don’t get tribal customs. Shouldn’t they be promoted based on the wealth of their parents, like normal folks?

    Can’t we just have a complete reset, and give affirmative action to people in need, orphans, cripples, waifs, and strays, and so on, regardless of skin color.

    For example, it makes much more sense to give basketball scholarships to Whites, because Blacks can easily get on the team without really trying, whereas whites need a lot of remedial coaching to get anywhere near a three-pointer or a slam dunk.

    But perhaps there should also be college paralympic scholarships for people in wheelchairs. During my employment I met many young black men in wheelchairs whose youthful athletic careers as runners and jumpers had been cut short by catching police bullets in the spine while out on a training run or while shopping.

    Remember that for every George Floyd who was murdered, there are dozens who have been maimed.

    And colleges could also give scholarships for gender-free sports and put up competitive teams where there is no sexual qualification at all.

    I remember many years ago when my niece was a very talented young soccer goalkeeper on a scholarship at, well, I won’t name the university, but I believe its founding father was Colonel Sanders and its sports teams are known as the Fried Chicks.

    Although she was an international quality goalkeeper, my niece had to share first team duties with an alternate whose main qualification was that she was very quick to drop to her knees and catch the balls of the head coach with her mouth. A useful trick to be sure, but she had a tendency to let the opposition score by spreading her legs at the wrong moment instead of spreading her arms.

    And yet if she had been given a Sexual scholarship, she might have contributed greatly to the student body with no detriment to the women’s soccer team.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Jonathan Mason

    I was curious how the British discourse on race compares to what we have in the USA.

    , @Too Long Didn't Read
    @Jonathan Mason

    It is all so hard.

    Nah.

    https://media1.tenor.com/images/d4d8ff888610ff8768a95569284ccb98/tenor.gif

  90. Next up.

    A Palestinian asks a Jew “What do you like about being Jewish?”

  91. @Colin Wright
    '...Blacks have somewhat narrowed the creativity gap and have some potential to narrow the competence gap if they make the effort.'

    That's optimistic. Even what little there is in the way of 'black' achievement is usually due to mulattoes, quadroons, and octoroons. Genuine, full-on black black achievement outside of athletics happens -- but is extremely rare.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    That’s optimistic. Even what little there is in the way of ‘black’ achievement is usually due to mulattoes, quadroons, and octoroons.

    Very few know that Frederick Douglas was actually a mulatto and at the time egalitarians used him as proof that Africans are actually Europeans underneath.

    Real convincing stuff.

    My favorite mulattoes are the ones that hate Whites. Look at Malcom X or Farrakhan. Yea some real pure bred Bantu there. Might as well punch yourself in the face if you hate Whites that much.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    @John Johnson


    My favorite mulattoes are the ones that hate Whites. Look at Malcom X or Farrakhan.
     
    Or Barry Soetero, or that QB Colin Kaperdink.
    , @AceDeuce
    @John Johnson

    Malcolm the Tenth didn't hate all White men. Some of them he liked--a whole lot. LOLOLOLOLOL.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/may/19/gayrights.usa

    https://www.gaycitynews.com/malcolm-xs-queer-affinities/

    http://williamapercy.com/wiki/index.php?title=Malcolm_X_was_gay

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @John Johnson

  92. @Jonathan Mason
    White isn't a race because there are several races that are white.

    You can't say that Russians, Poles, blonde Swedes, Italians, swarthy Spaniards and red-headed Irishman are all the same race just because some of them come to America and learn to speak English.

    From the point of view of somebody who was not born in the United States, it seems to me that black and white Americans have a lot more in common with each other than with other races, but they enjoy engaging in an uncivil war with each other.

    For example both black and white Americans are strongly into fundamentalist-type religion that hardly exists in most developed Nations. And they all love sports that only Americans play.

    If you had to point to some of the achievements of the supposedly white race, I guess you could mention the transition from the Stone age to the bronze and iron ages, the Roman Empire, Christianity, the Renaissance, sailing ships, cartography, the chronometer, the Industrial revolution, Evolution, scientific medicine, science in general, aviation, automobiles, architecture, literature, theater, movies, TV, classical music, computers, organized sports, universities, and the Internet, but otherwise we have very little to boast about compared to the achievements of other races such as building pyramids, and inventing porcelain, boomerangs, chopsticks, and hip-hop music.

    Replies: @Alfa158, @John Johnson, @Bragadocious, @gandydancer, @International Jew, @syonredux, @Alden

    White isn’t a race because there are several races that are white.

    Funny how you can’t use that argument when leftists are blaming Whites for the world’s problems.

    Leftists certainly believe that Whites are a race. If they truly didn’t believe in race then they wouldn’t bother trying to scapegoat them for everything. Racial inequality would go away on its own and Africans would build a dozen Wakandas.

    From the point of view of somebody who was not born in the United States, it seems to me that black and white Americans have a lot more in common with each other than with other races

    Race from the perspective of television. Might as well give us commentary on the relationship dynamics of Tom and Jerry.

  93. @Jonathan Mason
    It is all so hard.

    It is difficult to be fair to both races, because white people would rather be judged on the color of their skin, whereas Black people would rather be judged by the content of their character.

    Did I get that right? No wait, it is the other way round!

    When it comes to affirmative action in education and hiring, promoting young black people from affluent black families based on the color of their skin seems wrong to White folks who don't get tribal customs. Shouldn't they be promoted based on the wealth of their parents, like normal folks?

    Can't we just have a complete reset, and give affirmative action to people in need, orphans, cripples, waifs, and strays, and so on, regardless of skin color.

    For example, it makes much more sense to give basketball scholarships to Whites, because Blacks can easily get on the team without really trying, whereas whites need a lot of remedial coaching to get anywhere near a three-pointer or a slam dunk.

    But perhaps there should also be college paralympic scholarships for people in wheelchairs. During my employment I met many young black men in wheelchairs whose youthful athletic careers as runners and jumpers had been cut short by catching police bullets in the spine while out on a training run or while shopping.

    Remember that for every George Floyd who was murdered, there are dozens who have been maimed.

    And colleges could also give scholarships for gender-free sports and put up competitive teams where there is no sexual qualification at all.

    I remember many years ago when my niece was a very talented young soccer goalkeeper on a scholarship at, well, I won't name the university, but I believe its founding father was Colonel Sanders and its sports teams are known as the Fried Chicks.

    Although she was an international quality goalkeeper, my niece had to share first team duties with an alternate whose main qualification was that she was very quick to drop to her knees and catch the balls of the head coach with her mouth. A useful trick to be sure, but she had a tendency to let the opposition score by spreading her legs at the wrong moment instead of spreading her arms.

    And yet if she had been given a Sexual scholarship, she might have contributed greatly to the student body with no detriment to the women's soccer team.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Too Long Didn't Read

    I was curious how the British discourse on race compares to what we have in the USA.

  94. @Nancy Pelosi's Latina Maid

    Blacks have somewhat narrowed the creativity gap and have some potential to narrow the competence gap if they make the effort.
     
    Yeah, heretofore the explanation for the gaping disparities between white and black achievements, white and black levels of violence, white and black cultural drama, white and black everything, is simply because the blacks weren't "making the effort."

    Nothing at all to do with genetics. We're all just alike under the skin. Kumbayah.

    Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian, @Morris Applebaum IV

    You and commentator RichardTaylor are on the same page; i.e., pointing out the glaring, inflexible presuppositions of HBD thought, and how they lead to non sequiturs left and right with absolutely no self-correction through actual observation. Wishful thinking never gets self-corrected by those who are Wishful Thinkers.

  95. @stonewall jackson
    I like white women in response to the question. Some of them anyway. Not the sort who look like, talk like or bitch like Hillary Clinton.

    Replies: @Polistra

    I like white women in response to the question. Some of them anyway.

    That’s just setting up the guy to say “Oh yeahs! We loves the white wimmenz! On that we can agree!”

    (thinking to himself meanwhile, “however I’m gonna get me some, an’ you aint!!!”)

  96. @RichardTaylor

    The East Asians have vastly closed the competence gap and are working, slowly, on the creativity gap (note the sizable number of hard science Nobels the Japanese have won in this century).
     
    Boy, it's really, really, really important to the HBD crowd to show that East Asians are really just White people with a few minor cosmetic differences.

    Blacks have somewhat narrowed the creativity gap and have some potential to narrow the competence gap if they make the effort.
     
    If HBD'ers could stab White people in the back by giving every other race the same talents, they would do it in a heartbeat.

    Replies: @gandydancer, @silviosilver, @Dave Pinsen, @AndrewR

    If HBD’ers could stab White people in the back by giving every other race the same talents, they would do it in a heartbeat.

    The benefit to me of the deficiencies of, e.g., black people is non-obvious.

    If everyone were as smart as Jews I wouldn’t have to endure so many morons.

    • Replies: @Gordo
    @gandydancer


    If everyone were as smart as Jews I wouldn’t have to endure so many morons.
     
    You are quite right to want to be surrounded by your own race, and uniquely you even have a place you can do this.

    Replies: @gandydancer

  97. @kaganovitch
    “”What Do You Like About Being White?””

    I love the smell of privilege in the morning. Far better than napalm.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

    “Privilege…smells like…victory.”

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
  98. @Art Deco
    Note about Hill. He's a parody academic. His primary home is teacher-training programs. You can tell from his published work that he knows nothing about educational methods or educational psychology. He's never produced one paper on the subject. Teacher training programs have decayed into patronage mills for social ideologues like Hill and Robin d'Angelo and are properly shut down without a second thought. His entire career is bogus and he has only the simulacrum of accomplishment, not the real thing.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Polistra

    Teacher training programs have decayed into patronage mills for social ideologues like Hill and Robin d’Angelo and are properly shut down without a second thought.

    However, in the real world these programs are very much a growth industry, and the various scholarly metrics you might like to apply are quite idle in the fact of Institutional Wokedom.

  99. @Jonathan Mason
    White isn't a race because there are several races that are white.

    You can't say that Russians, Poles, blonde Swedes, Italians, swarthy Spaniards and red-headed Irishman are all the same race just because some of them come to America and learn to speak English.

    From the point of view of somebody who was not born in the United States, it seems to me that black and white Americans have a lot more in common with each other than with other races, but they enjoy engaging in an uncivil war with each other.

    For example both black and white Americans are strongly into fundamentalist-type religion that hardly exists in most developed Nations. And they all love sports that only Americans play.

    If you had to point to some of the achievements of the supposedly white race, I guess you could mention the transition from the Stone age to the bronze and iron ages, the Roman Empire, Christianity, the Renaissance, sailing ships, cartography, the chronometer, the Industrial revolution, Evolution, scientific medicine, science in general, aviation, automobiles, architecture, literature, theater, movies, TV, classical music, computers, organized sports, universities, and the Internet, but otherwise we have very little to boast about compared to the achievements of other races such as building pyramids, and inventing porcelain, boomerangs, chopsticks, and hip-hop music.

    Replies: @Alfa158, @John Johnson, @Bragadocious, @gandydancer, @International Jew, @syonredux, @Alden

    black and white Americans have a lot more in common with each other than with other races, but they enjoy engaging in an uncivil war with each other.

    For example both black and white Americans are strongly into fundamentalist-type religion that hardly exists in most developed Nations. And they all love sports that only Americans play.

    I’ve often made the same observation about Englishmen who also identify as Pakistani. They love all the “empire” sports like cricket and soccer, eat the same takeout kebab and watch the same television. They’re as English as John Cleese and David Beckham. This is why when tradcons bemoan the “Pakistani” rape gangs in the UK, I laugh. These are English rape gangs being run by Englishmen.

    • Replies: @Gordo
    @Bragadocious


    These are English rape gangs being run by Englishmen.
     
    Yes this must be true, I saw it on the BBC.
    , @Jonathan Mason
    @Bragadocious


    This is why when tradcons bemoan the “Pakistani” rape gangs in the UK, I laugh. These are English rape gangs being run by Englishmen.
     
    Totally agree. 50 years ago in England there were taxi drivers pimping underage prostitutes in Liverpool and they mostly had names like O'Shaughnessy not Shah or Sharif.

    Replies: @anon, @Bragadocious, @syonredux

    , @James Forrestal
    @Bragadocious


    This is why when tradcons bemoan the Pakistani rape gangs in the UK, I laugh. These are "English" rape gangs being run by "Englishmen."
     
    Let's get a quick fact check on that long-discredited semitic canard of "Just indigenous English-on-indigenous English crime, goy!"

    https://i.postimg.cc/vBtSh17V/Paki-Rape-Gang-Mug-Shots.jpg

    Yeah that's gonna be FALSE.
  100. The question was obviously a trap but it did make me think. What would a good response be?

    The most obvious answer would be: Mozart, Pascal, Boolean algebra, Shakespeare, parliamentary government, baroque churches, Newton, the emancipation of women, Kant, and Balanchine ballets. These are of course the list Susan Sontag gave us of white achievements before denouncing whites as the cancer of human history. Note that nothing on the list is Jewish, so the purpose of creating the list was to signal Jews were not included as part of the cancer of human history.

    On one level being white means being emancipated from being a race. When I walk down the street, I see a mix of individual humans (whites), and a few races. I aim to be around as many humans as possible and to as much as possible avoid getting stuck being around races. The goal of wokeness is to racialize white people in the minds of white people.

    And so if I am forced to racialize myself, then what I really like about being white is that I can have beautiful white children. There’s no perfection in the world close to that of having a little white baby. In my consciousness though, it is just a perfect human baby.

  101. @jon
    @al gore rhythms


    What a weak answer.
     
    There is no good answer to that question. If he says something that is actually important, the outrage ensues that he thinks that is part of White culture and not something POCs also do. If he says something trivial, then it becomes a meme - there is nothing good about White culture except X, just ask its defenders like Rufo. If he says something obscure, all the "good Whites" and the "fellow Whites" point out how they don't do said thing, so it's not even accurate to say it's White. And on, and on ...

    What would you answer? How would it go over? The question was bait, the guy was fishing for a response that he could make go viral so Rufo could be discredited and ignored. The best answer was no answer. The only way his answer could have been better was if he more explicitly called him out right from the start.

    Replies: @ArthurinCali, @photondancer, @gandydancer, @al gore rhythms

    What would you answer?

    A: “One thing I like about being white is that I’m not deservedly stereotyped as dumb and criminal, like Blacks are. (See the recently deceased Walter Williams on this subject.)”

    This might cause much outrage, but it’s past time to not care.

  102. @jorge videla
    Ignatiev was born Noel Saul Ignatin in Philadelphia...His family was Jewish.

    https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1446731941443.jpg

    Replies: @gandydancer, @Jim Christian

    In my heart I know Hitler was an evil delusional loser. So, I gather, are you, Mr. Wannabe.

  103. @Wilkey
    @Abe

    Yes, the diligent, "conscientious" Germans spent a lot of time thinking about how to wage war but not very much time thinking about the consequences of defeat, for either themselves of their adversaries. And after they lost the first time they decided to do it all over again just 21 years later.

    And then after two wars of slaughter against European peoples they voluntarily allowed themselves to be invaded by the non-European, non-Christian Turks - and in 2015 forced their fellow EU members to suffer invasion by non-Europeans yet again.

    Gotta love you them conscientious German types.

    Replies: @but an humble craftsman

    … the streets of London …

  104. They (non whites) hate us (whites) because they know deep down inside we are better then them and build better countries (which they want to come too because their countries are shitholes).

    But admitting this, even if only to themselves, is simply too painful.

    • Troll: Corvinus
    • Replies: @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco
    @anonymouseperson

    The Blacks born in America hate whites more than the immigrants from Africa and Latin America. The most hateful Blacks are the American mulattos. They seem to have the most resentment yet benefit the most from affirmative action.

    A big reason Blacks despise whites is due to our media and schools which tell them that all their problems are due to white racism. Mulattos profit the most from this propaganda , thus they actively promote the anti-white agenda.

    Most American Blacks are ignorant of history and actually believe Blacks helped build America. They also believe Blacks built the pyramids and had advanced civilizations in Africa before the arrival of the evil white man. American Blacks are clueless about other nations and have no understanding of African history. They do not hate us for discovering calculus or going to the moon. They hate us because they believe they should have been astronauts going to the moon , but our racism kept blacks from becoming astronauts. They actually believe this crap. This is what we teach them in school and this is what our TV and films show them to be true.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  105. @Jonathan Mason
    It is all so hard.

    It is difficult to be fair to both races, because white people would rather be judged on the color of their skin, whereas Black people would rather be judged by the content of their character.

    Did I get that right? No wait, it is the other way round!

    When it comes to affirmative action in education and hiring, promoting young black people from affluent black families based on the color of their skin seems wrong to White folks who don't get tribal customs. Shouldn't they be promoted based on the wealth of their parents, like normal folks?

    Can't we just have a complete reset, and give affirmative action to people in need, orphans, cripples, waifs, and strays, and so on, regardless of skin color.

    For example, it makes much more sense to give basketball scholarships to Whites, because Blacks can easily get on the team without really trying, whereas whites need a lot of remedial coaching to get anywhere near a three-pointer or a slam dunk.

    But perhaps there should also be college paralympic scholarships for people in wheelchairs. During my employment I met many young black men in wheelchairs whose youthful athletic careers as runners and jumpers had been cut short by catching police bullets in the spine while out on a training run or while shopping.

    Remember that for every George Floyd who was murdered, there are dozens who have been maimed.

    And colleges could also give scholarships for gender-free sports and put up competitive teams where there is no sexual qualification at all.

    I remember many years ago when my niece was a very talented young soccer goalkeeper on a scholarship at, well, I won't name the university, but I believe its founding father was Colonel Sanders and its sports teams are known as the Fried Chicks.

    Although she was an international quality goalkeeper, my niece had to share first team duties with an alternate whose main qualification was that she was very quick to drop to her knees and catch the balls of the head coach with her mouth. A useful trick to be sure, but she had a tendency to let the opposition score by spreading her legs at the wrong moment instead of spreading her arms.

    And yet if she had been given a Sexual scholarship, she might have contributed greatly to the student body with no detriment to the women's soccer team.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Too Long Didn't Read

    It is all so hard.

    Nah.

  106. Anon[332] • Disclaimer says:

    The ethical superiority of the white race, as manifested in whites denying any superiority whatsoever, must be infuriating to other races.

    Open and explicit supremacist beliefs among whites were generally the norm in the US and North America until roughly 2 generations ago. And within Europe itself, the various white nations historically held to supremacist beliefs about their particular white group. WW2 of course was a recent and dramatic example of this tendency.

    It’s not so much due to an ethical commitment but rather extreme political correctness and pressure over the past 2 generations that have suppressed these beliefs.

  107. @Abe

    Blacks have somewhat narrowed the creativity gap and have some potential to narrow the competence gap if they make the effort.
     
    The Royal Navy got thrashed at Jutland (2x casualties, 2x the tonnage sunk) because too many of its shells were defective. The first day of the Somme (still the bloodiest single day in the history of the British Army) was the disaster it was also because too many British shells were duds and failed to clear wire or penetrate German dugouts.

    Assume Herman, the prototypical conscientious, slightly dull and not very funny German armaments worker makes shells of at least 90% good quality, in fact pretty close to 100%. Assume Patrick, the glib, musical, poetic and [email protected] when it comes to precision work Irishman makes shells of about 70% good quality. Only about 75% of the shells used on the first day of the Somme were good. Using these factors, you could calculate the actual Celto-Teutonic ancestry of Tommy, the typical British armaments worker, to +/-10% of actual 2020 genetic lab survey values.

    Even among genetic first cousins, race is (almost) everything.

    Replies: @Matt Buckalew, @John Up North, @AnotherDad, @Wilkey, @JMcG, @Lurker

    Other human factors play a role too . . . . within 48 hours of the Battle of Jutland the RN signalled it was ready to go into action again while the German navy never ventured out in force again.

    • Replies: @gandydancer
    @Lurker


    Other human factors play a role too . . . . within 48 hours of the Battle of Jutland the RN signalled it was ready to go into action again while the German navy never ventured out in force again.
     
    Neither fleet was in any way "ready" after 48 hours, so if the RN "signaled" that it was balderdash. Is tolerance for balderdash the "human factor" to which you refer?

    The reasons that the Battle of Jutland was not repeated were materiel, not psychological.

  108. @Jonathan Mason
    White isn't a race because there are several races that are white.

    You can't say that Russians, Poles, blonde Swedes, Italians, swarthy Spaniards and red-headed Irishman are all the same race just because some of them come to America and learn to speak English.

    From the point of view of somebody who was not born in the United States, it seems to me that black and white Americans have a lot more in common with each other than with other races, but they enjoy engaging in an uncivil war with each other.

    For example both black and white Americans are strongly into fundamentalist-type religion that hardly exists in most developed Nations. And they all love sports that only Americans play.

    If you had to point to some of the achievements of the supposedly white race, I guess you could mention the transition from the Stone age to the bronze and iron ages, the Roman Empire, Christianity, the Renaissance, sailing ships, cartography, the chronometer, the Industrial revolution, Evolution, scientific medicine, science in general, aviation, automobiles, architecture, literature, theater, movies, TV, classical music, computers, organized sports, universities, and the Internet, but otherwise we have very little to boast about compared to the achievements of other races such as building pyramids, and inventing porcelain, boomerangs, chopsticks, and hip-hop music.

    Replies: @Alfa158, @John Johnson, @Bragadocious, @gandydancer, @International Jew, @syonredux, @Alden

    From the point of view of somebody who was not born in the United States, it seems to me that black and white Americans have a lot more in common with each other than with other races, but they enjoy engaging in an uncivil war with each other.

    Nope. Putting up with Blacks is no fun at all.

    Putting up with a lot of Whites is no fun, either. But your odds are better.

  109. @Reg Cæsar

    "What Do You Like About Being White?"
     
    "Not a damned thing!"



    https://listverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Falbino-1200x720.jpg

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @AnotherDad, @Lurker, @Dissident

    Guess Who’s Coming to for Dinner.

    • LOL: silviosilver
  110. @Reg Cæsar

    "What Do You Like About Being White?"
     
    "Not a damned thing!"



    https://listverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Falbino-1200x720.jpg

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @AnotherDad, @Lurker, @Dissident

    As someone else suggested to you when you made a post nearly identical to this one a while back, isn’t it rather petty and even cruel? To gratuitously mock an unfortunate individual, a mere kid no less, for a complete accident of birth?

    • Thanks: Dissident
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Dissident


    As someone else suggested to you when you made a post nearly identical to this one a while back, isn’t it rather petty and even cruel? To gratuitously mock an unfortunate individual, a mere kid no less, for a complete accident of birth?
     
    I'm not mocking him. I'm mocking the culture that mocks him.

    If you want to help, there are organisations in Canada and the UK specialising in this, and they would love your support. The commenter to which you refer made a donation to one of them. You can, too:


    https://www.advantageafrica.org/improving-the-lives-of-people-with-albinism-1

    https://www.underthesamesun.com/content/ways-give
    , @Dissident
    @Dissident

    The • Thanks that appears from me to my own comment above was added in error. It was meant for Reg's reply to me.

    Lest anyone had wondered whether I might have been offering an illustration of some of the recent descriptions of schizophrenia...

    (Eccentric, odd, and more-than-likely on the Autism spectrum, yes. But schizophrenic or otherwise psychotic, I'm fairly certain I am not.)

  111. Isn’t anti-white hatred also being sustained because of many Jew’s fear of more pogroms, and many Gentile’s feelings of guilt?

  112. @Lurker
    @Abe

    Other human factors play a role too . . . . within 48 hours of the Battle of Jutland the RN signalled it was ready to go into action again while the German navy never ventured out in force again.

    Replies: @gandydancer

    Other human factors play a role too . . . . within 48 hours of the Battle of Jutland the RN signalled it was ready to go into action again while the German navy never ventured out in force again.

    Neither fleet was in any way “ready” after 48 hours, so if the RN “signaled” that it was balderdash. Is tolerance for balderdash the “human factor” to which you refer?

    The reasons that the Battle of Jutland was not repeated were materiel, not psychological.

  113. @anon
    It's almost as though the WEIRD people originally from NW Europe have different behavior patterns they inherited from their ancestors; patterns that other groups of humans do not have. But that cannot be true, because "magic dirt" and "civic nationalism" say it cannot be true because the tabula rasa must be true because the idea that there isn't a blank slate is very, very badthink.

    Because reasons.

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Squaring_the_circle


    The expression "squaring the circle" is sometimes used as a metaphor for trying to do the impossible.
     
    Separate something-or-other? Can we haz that?

    Replies: @silviosilver

    It’s almost as though the WEIRD people originally from NW Europe have different behavior patterns they inherited from their ancestors; patterns that other groups of humans do not have.

    Yep, this Christopher Rufo is definitely a living embodiment of these NW European behavior patterns that no one else besides NW Europeans has ever exhibited. Extremely insightful take.

  114. @AnotherDad
    @Reg Cæsar

    That kid is in serious trouble.

    Replies: @Polistra

    It’s a distillation of the future of whitey on the planet.

  115. @RichardTaylor

    The East Asians have vastly closed the competence gap and are working, slowly, on the creativity gap (note the sizable number of hard science Nobels the Japanese have won in this century).
     
    Boy, it's really, really, really important to the HBD crowd to show that East Asians are really just White people with a few minor cosmetic differences.

    Blacks have somewhat narrowed the creativity gap and have some potential to narrow the competence gap if they make the effort.
     
    If HBD'ers could stab White people in the back by giving every other race the same talents, they would do it in a heartbeat.

    Replies: @gandydancer, @silviosilver, @Dave Pinsen, @AndrewR

    Maybe.

    Or maybe it’s based on their surmise that the typical white is a far gone racial fruitcake who can’t ever be expected to prefer his own race for the simple reason that it is his own race.

    Even when their behavior betrays every indication of racial self-preference – what KMac terms ‘implicit whiteness’ – getting the typical white to admit it is like pulling teeth.

    And worse, even among whites who admit to preferring their own – and there are more than a few – those willing to commit politically to the notion are few and far between.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @silviosilver

    The typical White is not a "fruitcake."

    He's merely afraid of losing his job.

    If America's ruling class was still Anglo-Saxon, nearly 0% of Whites would be condemning their race for anything.

    Whites aren't especially introspective or self-critical. They are, however, well aware of the consequences associated with being politically incorrect. They know that one "wrong" word/action could result in them losing everything and falling out of the middle class quickly.

    Most Whites live comfortable lives that involve nice cars, large homes, big-screen TVs, taking vacations, eating out, etc. Yet they all live on thin ice, with the potential to lose it all with one "wrong word."

    No one wants to be the next George Zimmerman or George Chauvin.

    Simple as that.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

  116. @Almost Missouri
    @JimDandy

    Yes, the question is a trap, and a strong one. As anon[371], jon, and ArthurinCali point out, almost any meaningful answer will become a weapon in the hands of the anti-whites. Rufo was prudent to dodge and weave. Still, advanced white people should be able to turn the question around onto the inquisitor.

    Triteleia Laxa offers a pretty devastating comeback:


    Not having to worship mediocre achievement as great, simply because the person, who achieved, shares my skin colour.

    Not having to excuse harm for no other reason than the perpetrator is my race.
     
    Concisely exposes the fraud of Affirmative Action culture, and puts the burden of proof back onto the inquisitor.

    jon says, "explicitly call him out right from the start." Good, if you can pull it off. It's easier said than done. And the inquisitor can always take Hill's disingenuous "I'm just asking..." defense with an injured tone.

    jamie b. says:

    The proper response would have been: What am I allowed to like about being white? Is there a response that a POC can accept?
     
    That could work, but it leaves a lot of initiative in the hands of the inquisitor.

    Shorter stonewall jackson: "White wimminz!" Very funny. Would probably crack up the black guy. Neutralizes the question but doesn't reconquer territory.

    One answer not yet suggested: "I don't like being white. We are discriminated against and vilified at every turn." Puts the ball back in the inquisitor's court. Either he has to deny it, which is obviously false, or he has to justify it, which confirms the thesis and makes the anti-racist mask slip further from the anti-white face.

    Best case scenario is make the inquisitor recite the traits of whiteness he was expecting you to say, at which point you can ask, "Are you saying POC can't do that?"

    Replies: @DanHessinMD, @JimDandy, @International Jew, @Almost Missouri

    Thanks. I know of some other excellent responses, but I’m afraid I’m going to keep them in my own proprietary quiver.

  117. @R.G. Camara
    @al gore rhythms

    The fact that he went on cable TV shows the man is weak and controlled to begin with. He knew his role, and rolled over accordingly.

    These Deep State hacks are not the leaders you are looking for.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    Blah blah blah.

    Getting diversitarian shitheads off white people’s backs is where the fight is at right now. Rufo has been doing excellent work in this regard.

    Is it enough, of itself? No, but it’ll be hard to get anywhere without it.

  118. @Almost Missouri
    @JimDandy

    Yes, the question is a trap, and a strong one. As anon[371], jon, and ArthurinCali point out, almost any meaningful answer will become a weapon in the hands of the anti-whites. Rufo was prudent to dodge and weave. Still, advanced white people should be able to turn the question around onto the inquisitor.

    Triteleia Laxa offers a pretty devastating comeback:


    Not having to worship mediocre achievement as great, simply because the person, who achieved, shares my skin colour.

    Not having to excuse harm for no other reason than the perpetrator is my race.
     
    Concisely exposes the fraud of Affirmative Action culture, and puts the burden of proof back onto the inquisitor.

    jon says, "explicitly call him out right from the start." Good, if you can pull it off. It's easier said than done. And the inquisitor can always take Hill's disingenuous "I'm just asking..." defense with an injured tone.

    jamie b. says:

    The proper response would have been: What am I allowed to like about being white? Is there a response that a POC can accept?
     
    That could work, but it leaves a lot of initiative in the hands of the inquisitor.

    Shorter stonewall jackson: "White wimminz!" Very funny. Would probably crack up the black guy. Neutralizes the question but doesn't reconquer territory.

    One answer not yet suggested: "I don't like being white. We are discriminated against and vilified at every turn." Puts the ball back in the inquisitor's court. Either he has to deny it, which is obviously false, or he has to justify it, which confirms the thesis and makes the anti-racist mask slip further from the anti-white face.

    Best case scenario is make the inquisitor recite the traits of whiteness he was expecting you to say, at which point you can ask, "Are you saying POC can't do that?"

    Replies: @DanHessinMD, @JimDandy, @International Jew, @Almost Missouri

    “I don’t like being white. We are discriminated against and vilified at every turn.” Puts the ball back in the inquisitor’s court.

    The inquisitor will say you’re showing “white fragility”.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @International Jew

    Perhaps. But then Rufo could say, "What's 'fragile' about noticing reality?" Puts the burden back on Hill to deny reality or to confirm reality in a way unfavorable to Hill and The Narrative.

    Another approach is to invite Hill to name anything he likes about whites. Either he says "nothing", which makes him the hater, or he names something he was trying to get Rufo to say, which defeats the trap.

  119. Anonymous[302] • Disclaimer says:

    Agree w/ last paragraph. Also important is to let Blacks have their own space. Whether that’s the hair machinations we fail to respect, or something really tacky like go-go music, they have to be allowed to develop & exploit these properties.

    It shouldn’t swing to the other extreme either, of a free, air conditioned art space with finger-painting and deli trays supplied by non-Black taxes, but open it up a little. No more bourgeois tolerance of Wall St/Silicon Babylon pirate greedheads swooping in like vultures whenever a random Black guy composes humorous ditty on the Tik Tok platform. Our racial pride, as non-Blacks, should not be used as umbrella coverage for the Jerry Hellers and Allen Kleins and Stan Polleys–though the last two were, I think, more devoted to ripping off non-Black artists (who in turn were ripping off old Black guys– a tangled web we weave, when first we begin to rip off)

  120. What do I like about being white? None of my cousins are criminals. We can hold family gatherings without fights or shootings.

  121. @Jonathan Mason
    White isn't a race because there are several races that are white.

    You can't say that Russians, Poles, blonde Swedes, Italians, swarthy Spaniards and red-headed Irishman are all the same race just because some of them come to America and learn to speak English.

    From the point of view of somebody who was not born in the United States, it seems to me that black and white Americans have a lot more in common with each other than with other races, but they enjoy engaging in an uncivil war with each other.

    For example both black and white Americans are strongly into fundamentalist-type religion that hardly exists in most developed Nations. And they all love sports that only Americans play.

    If you had to point to some of the achievements of the supposedly white race, I guess you could mention the transition from the Stone age to the bronze and iron ages, the Roman Empire, Christianity, the Renaissance, sailing ships, cartography, the chronometer, the Industrial revolution, Evolution, scientific medicine, science in general, aviation, automobiles, architecture, literature, theater, movies, TV, classical music, computers, organized sports, universities, and the Internet, but otherwise we have very little to boast about compared to the achievements of other races such as building pyramids, and inventing porcelain, boomerangs, chopsticks, and hip-hop music.

    Replies: @Alfa158, @John Johnson, @Bragadocious, @gandydancer, @International Jew, @syonredux, @Alden

    black and white Americans have a lot more in common with each other

    True of over 60s, because growing up without cable TV we had to watch the same TV shows.

    Under-30s have nothing in common except maybe being raised in broken families.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @International Jew

    black and white Americans have a lot more in common with each other


    True of over 60s, because growing up without cable TV we had to watch the same TV shows.

    Under-30s have nothing in common except maybe being raised in broken families.

     

    Well, at least you admit that TV is mainly about indoctrination, and the primary message of TV is that you need to patriotically buy the products that are advertised prolifically on TV and endorsed by your favorite actors.

    Hard for me to speak to the under 30's in the US, but consider that both black and white Americans of different ages like to buy basic industrial chemicals such as whiskey, vodka, and rum--which all taste a bit like gasoline--in fancy bottles with fancy labels for fancy prices, and then mix the contents with fruit juices or sodas and drink the contents to as to numb the pain of living.

    Both Black and White Americans in large numbers enjoy also enjoy marijuana and cocaine and since marijuana was formerly illegal and enjoyed by black entertainers like Louis Armstrong and Bob Marley, now there is a whole nexus of laws that allow 'therapeutic' marijuana that have biracial support since there are so many Black and White Americans whose survival and fitness depends on this substance.

    As Darwin pointed out, monkeys also like to drink alcohol and smoke, but only humans have evolved to the point of marking different brands of alcohol as a status symbol.

    Or both races like to buy overpriced clothing with "designer" labels for multiples of their true value, or overpriced cheap footwear, because these items are believed to confer higher status on the wearer rather like certain bird feathers and animal skins confer higher status on tribal members.

    In these TV commercials a well-known TV star promotes a substance that is commonly mixed with rum.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLK2qyL8SxY

    Replies: @John Johnson, @James Forrestal

  122. I like being white because it gives me an albedo close to 1.

  123. There’s only one correct answer to the greatest achievement on Planet Earth…

    The flush toilet

    Poo goes down the hole

    And of course, to the corresponding Sewer System which we thank the Etruscans and Romans for. Thanks guys!

    Moon Landing versus High Volume Flush Toilet…it’s not even a competition…even the sound ‘Wooosh’ is part of humanity….One small step for *interrupted by*…Wooosh!

  124. how about this one…

    The thing I like best about being white is White Flight…to get away from you motherf***s! *flash gang sign on tv*

  125. It was obviously a mistake to “free” these jungle bipeds.
    They should have thrown them into the sea.
    Freedom requires responsibility and that’s Kryptonite to these fools.

    Getting rid of the legacy of slavery is a necessity.
    The legacy of slavery being the blacks themselves.
    They are a tool for any shill to use easily.

    Massive egos and a tiny ineffective brain.
    They’re like six foot tall nine year olds their entire worthless lives.
    This will not end peaceably, that’s for sure.

    These violent savages do not have the brains to see the world.
    They are just dead weight to everybody.
    Only a lazy Jew would want one or more of these things as slaves.

  126. @Jonathan Mason
    @Matttt

    I had a consult with a hematologist today. She was an African-Equatorian woman in her thirties who did not speak a word of English, but she was smart as a whip.

    I will definitely see her again, on Monday in fact, with some lab results.

    I later sent her a WhatsApp asking her to use some skin lightener before the next appointment, but apart from the melanin she was absolutely first rate.

    Replies: @Pericles

    Good, good, next step is you have your meetings in an african-equatorian country, in whatever language you choose to use.

  127. @anon
    @al gore rhythms

    What a weak answer.

    Perhaps he sees the trap embedded in the oh-so-innocent question better than you.

    It is a passive-aggressive line of questioning on a par with "Have you stopped beating your wife and kids?". Obviously asked in bad faith, and intended to provide something Tweetable for clickbait. It would be a bonus if there was any cancel-bait.

    The interviewer really exposed himself with this line of questioning.

    FIFY.

    Replies: @al gore rhythms, @Cloudbuster

    Is it really sensing a trap, or just the knee-jerk sense of fear that any white person has around this subject?

    Anyway, I don’t agree that it was a trap. By offering some examples of what he likes about being black, and by pointing out that others see him as being white, he had forgone the right to any feigned outrage concering the guest’s answer.

    ‘Insofar as ‘being white’ is a synonym for my European, Christian heritage, there is a lot about European history and culture which I appreciate being part of’. Would that really have brought the Heavens down?

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @al gore rhythms

    Whether or not the host was being malicious in asking that question, answering it the way most of us here at Unz.com would answer it would have resulted in a lot of drama for Rufo.

  128. @jon
    @al gore rhythms


    What a weak answer.
     
    There is no good answer to that question. If he says something that is actually important, the outrage ensues that he thinks that is part of White culture and not something POCs also do. If he says something trivial, then it becomes a meme - there is nothing good about White culture except X, just ask its defenders like Rufo. If he says something obscure, all the "good Whites" and the "fellow Whites" point out how they don't do said thing, so it's not even accurate to say it's White. And on, and on ...

    What would you answer? How would it go over? The question was bait, the guy was fishing for a response that he could make go viral so Rufo could be discredited and ignored. The best answer was no answer. The only way his answer could have been better was if he more explicitly called him out right from the start.

    Replies: @ArthurinCali, @photondancer, @gandydancer, @al gore rhythms

    What would I answer? Well, the presenter had already given the guest the example of the way he felt about being black. Perhaps if he had said that the way he feels about being black–about knowing where you come from; having roots–is the way other races feel about their race too.

    And knowing where you come from, and having an attatchment to your roots, is as important for Europeans/European Americans as it is for anyone else.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @al gore rhythms

    But blacks don't really know where they came from. A black person wanting to look up their family history would have a hard time before 1870 and absolutely no luck prior to the forced importation from Africa. Most whites know very little about their own roots but at least it's possible to find records of their ancestors going back centuried.

    Replies: @photondancer

  129. @RichardTaylor

    The East Asians have vastly closed the competence gap and are working, slowly, on the creativity gap (note the sizable number of hard science Nobels the Japanese have won in this century).
     
    Boy, it's really, really, really important to the HBD crowd to show that East Asians are really just White people with a few minor cosmetic differences.

    Blacks have somewhat narrowed the creativity gap and have some potential to narrow the competence gap if they make the effort.
     
    If HBD'ers could stab White people in the back by giving every other race the same talents, they would do it in a heartbeat.

    Replies: @gandydancer, @silviosilver, @Dave Pinsen, @AndrewR

    Boy, it’s really, really, really important to the HBD crowd to show that East Asians are really just White people with a few minor cosmetic differences.

    They’re different, which gives makes consuming their art as a Westerner a little more interesting, all else equal. E.g., Liu Cixin’s Three-Body Trilogy is great sci-fi, but it has an added alienness because it comes from a Chinese perspective. But they’re obviously pretty competent, even when judged by Western standards. They have skyscrapers and bullet trains.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Dave Pinsen


    ...it has an added alienness because it comes from a Chinese perspective.
     
    They're harsher than the Calvinists. They see our entire planet as a dirt ball:

    The Chinese names of the 9-planets (or 8+Pluto) in our solar-system are:

    Mercury-水星 (the star of water)
    Venus-金星 (the star of metal)
    Earth-地球 (dirt ball)
    Mars-火星 (the star of fire)
    Jupiter-木星 (the star of wood)
    Saturn-土星 (the star of earth)
    Uranus-天王星 (the star of the king of the sky)
    Neptune-海王星 (the star of the king of the sea)
    Pluto-冥王星 (the star of the king of the underworld)

    https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-traditional-names-for-the-planets-in-Chinese-and-what-stories-or-myths-are-associated-with-them-in-the-Chinese-culture
     

    Note that the last three are borrowed from us. The others derive from the colors of the planets and the "elements" that match. It's more poetry than science.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Twinkie

    , @RichardTaylor
    @Dave Pinsen

    According to Asians, they are very competent copy/pasters. And for sure they are.

    China and much of Asia was held back artificially by communism, a creation of the Ivy League set.

  130. Anonymous[386] • Disclaimer says:

    In this video the white man’s refusal to boast about his race probably strikes the black man as a white racist microaggression, and with good reason. After all, what other race turns the other cheek to racial defamation so often and attempts to appeal to (white-invented) abstract ideals of universality that only whites really find convincing? The ethical superiority of the white race, as manifested in whites denying any superiority whatsoever, must be infuriating to other races.

    My impression is that what might be termed racial group self-esteem tends to follow the Rushtonian pattern, but this is obscured by the severe anti-racism ideology and taboos pushed on contemporary whites, which suppresses any outward displays or acknowledgement of racial group self-esteem among whites.

    When I worked in Japan and traveled around East Asia, what was notable was how they tended to view their own groups as very different and distinctive from the other races and ethnic groups, even in un-scientific and preposterous ways e.g. ridiculous stuff like how Japan’s unique geography supposedly made Japanese uniquely able to appreciate cherry blossoms.

    Westerners tend to interpret these and any sorts of claims to difference and distinctiveness as inherently claims to superiority and supremacy, but the Japanese and other East Asian groups tend to believe in their groups as being very different and distinctive while at the same time regarding themselves underdogs compared to other races who are superior in various ways.

    Whereas blacks seem to be on the opposite end of the spectrum with very high levels of racial and individual level self-esteem. I think whites tend to be in the middle in racial group self-esteem, and certainly higher on the spectrum historically before oppressive anti-racism ideology took hold.

  131. I think he was trying to say that he does not have a race-obsessed chip on his shoulder.

    Yes, that is one thing he likes about being White. Whites usually don’t.

  132. @Dissident
    @Reg Cæsar

    As someone else suggested to you when you made a post nearly identical to this one a while back, isn't it rather petty and even cruel? To gratuitously mock an unfortunate individual, a mere kid no less, for a complete accident of birth?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Dissident

    As someone else suggested to you when you made a post nearly identical to this one a while back, isn’t it rather petty and even cruel? To gratuitously mock an unfortunate individual, a mere kid no less, for a complete accident of birth?

    I’m not mocking him. I’m mocking the culture that mocks him.

    If you want to help, there are organisations in Canada and the UK specialising in this, and they would love your support. The commenter to which you refer made a donation to one of them. You can, too:

    https://www.advantageafrica.org/improving-the-lives-of-people-with-albinism-1

    https://www.underthesamesun.com/content/ways-give

    • Thanks: Dissident
  133. anon[289] • Disclaimer says:

    In this video the white man’s refusal to boast about his race probably strikes the black man as a white racist microaggression, and with good reason. After all, what other race turns the other cheek to racial defamation so often and attempts to appeal to (white-invented) abstract ideals of universality that only whites really find convincing? The ethical superiority of the white race, as manifested in whites denying any superiority whatsoever, must be infuriating to other races.

    I don’t think that’s what the Black man is trying to do here.

    You can just read old books (not even very old) to find out what Whites used to believe not too long ago. Belief in White superiority was the norm. You don’t conquer, colonize, and ethnically cleanse large swathes of the non-European world with feelings of self-hate and inferiority or even egalitarianism.

    The Black man is trying to goad Whites to express supremacist beliefs “gotcha” style to gin up anti-White hate and clampdowns because he feels he is in a position of strength against Whites.

  134. @Dave Pinsen
    @RichardTaylor


    Boy, it’s really, really, really important to the HBD crowd to show that East Asians are really just White people with a few minor cosmetic differences.
     
    They’re different, which gives makes consuming their art as a Westerner a little more interesting, all else equal. E.g., Liu Cixin’s Three-Body Trilogy is great sci-fi, but it has an added alienness because it comes from a Chinese perspective. But they’re obviously pretty competent, even when judged by Western standards. They have skyscrapers and bullet trains.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @RichardTaylor

    …it has an added alienness because it comes from a Chinese perspective.

    They’re harsher than the Calvinists. They see our entire planet as a dirt ball:

    The Chinese names of the 9-planets (or 8+Pluto) in our solar-system are:

    Mercury-水星 (the star of water)
    Venus-金星 (the star of metal)
    Earth-地球 (dirt ball)
    Mars-火星 (the star of fire)
    Jupiter-木星 (the star of wood)
    Saturn-土星 (the star of earth)
    Uranus-天王星 (the star of the king of the sky)
    Neptune-海王星 (the star of the king of the sea)
    Pluto-冥王星 (the star of the king of the underworld)

    https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-traditional-names-for-the-planets-in-Chinese-and-what-stories-or-myths-are-associated-with-them-in-the-Chinese-culture

    Note that the last three are borrowed from us. The others derive from the colors of the planets and the “elements” that match. It’s more poetry than science.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Reg Cæsar

    The names of the inner planets (named after the five Chinese "elements" or "phases") also match up with the Japanese names of weekdays, which in turn match the Roman/Greek deity reflected e.g. in the French name of the weekday.

    For example:

    Mercury-水星 (the star of water) 水曜日 (water day) mercredi

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @Twinkie
    @Reg Cæsar


    Venus-金星 (the star of metal)
     
    In that context, “the golden star” would be a better translation. You know the South Korean company LG? Its older name is Lucky-GoldStar (Lucky Chemical + GoldStar Electronics).

    It’s more poetry than science.
     
    So elements = poetry, but pagan deities = science?
  135. @Fisk Ellington Rutledge IV
    "The East Asians have vastly closed the competence gap and are working, slowly, on the creativity gap (note the sizable number of hard science Nobels the Japanese have won in this century). Blacks have somewhat narrowed the creativity gap and have some potential to narrow the competence gap if they make the effort. But everybody today appears terrified to ask blacks to try harder to not behave badly, so, judging, by the soaring murder rate, blacks are behaving worse."

    East Asians have not really transcended their nature as rigid, hive-mind drones. They still lie and cheat and are recipients of affirmative-action awards. East Asians are still riding the backs of Whites to whatever success they have. At least they aren't violent. They are pretty boring though. They also natural Left-wing tyrants.
    And if Blacks have to be TOLD to behave better, then that tells you all you need to know about their basic nature. And that nature is that they are naturally stupid, incompetent, violent and have very poor judgement. Oh, and they are also loud, ugly and obnoxious.
    There is NO PLACE in White countries for East Asians, Blacks or any other nonWhites. They will ALL have to go.
    Jews are not Whites it bears repeating.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

    Nobels this century:

    • Replies: @res
    @PiltdownMan

    One thing I find interesting about that table. It looks like there is more between university collaboration in economics than in the sciences. Or perhaps more movement between universities during the undergrad/grad/professor progression?

    It seems wrong somehow that MIT is credited with more Economics "Nobels" than Physics, Chemistry, and Physiology or Medicine Nobels combined.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Nachum

  136. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    It was a ridiculous question, and he rightfully dismissed it.
    There is nothing “positive” (or negative) about “being white”.
    Indeed, the superiority of Western Civilization, broadly speaking, hinges on directing us towards our own individual lives as what we can control and perhaps take pride in. We depend on others in many ways, and in certain respects are at the mercy of circumstance, but we have vast cultural resources at our disposal, and what matters is how we as invididuals make use of them.

  137. The ethical superiority of the white race, as manifested in whites denying any superiority whatsoever, must be infuriating to other races.

    Virtue signaling is “ethical superiority” now?

    (white-invented) abstract ideals of universality that only whites really find convincing

    Gone full Frog Nazi, have you?

  138. res says:
    @PiltdownMan
    @Fisk Ellington Rutledge IV

    Nobels this century:

    https://i.imgur.com/0UDodeZ.jpg

    Replies: @res

    One thing I find interesting about that table. It looks like there is more between university collaboration in economics than in the sciences. Or perhaps more movement between universities during the undergrad/grad/professor progression?

    It seems wrong somehow that MIT is credited with more Economics “Nobels” than Physics, Chemistry, and Physiology or Medicine Nobels combined.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @res

    It does make sense though, when you consider that MIT was so central, at first—more than any other American university—in imparting training in mathematical economics of the sort that has defined the subject since WWII.

    I speculate that perhaps many an aspiring, smart young economist has sought out contact with MIT's economics department, if possible, in their career—whether as an undergraduate or graduate student, or as a researcher.

    , @Nachum
    @res

    The Economics Nobel often goes to mathematicians.

  139. @AndrewR
    @al gore rhythms

    That's the thing. To the average Republican aka "white supremacist," his answer was perfect. Republicans, except for cucks like Greg Abbott and Nikki Haley, refuse to acknowledge genetic differences or the salience of race in general. Nor are they willing to acknowledge the clear fact that extremely high proportions of other ethnic groups, particularly Jews and blacks, implicitly (if not explicitly) want permanent revenge - whether that be through second-class citizenship, enslavement or extermination.

    This is why we keep losing. Because the vast majority of "conservatives" are fools and/or cowards.

    If Ignatiev had said we should abolish "race," then I doubt anyone even on this website would assume he was a malicious actor. But he went far beyond the "race is a social construct" thing (which is true to a large extent) and made it explicitly about exterminating white people. And he can't be dismissed by any honest person as a lone crackpot. He was maybe slightly ahead of the curve.

    We are in an existential war and only one side is fighting. Maybe whites shouldn't exist. Half of us are actively contributing to our extinction and the other half is either apathetic or cowardly.

    Replies: @Polistra, @Moses

    We are in an existential war and only one side is fighting.

    Yes

  140. Alright. So the superiority of whites is their modesty.

    So what’s the matter with you guys?

    A tad insecure, perhaps? You must not be white.

    Also non-white about you is your inability to understand what I just said.

  141. @Dave Pinsen
    @RichardTaylor


    Boy, it’s really, really, really important to the HBD crowd to show that East Asians are really just White people with a few minor cosmetic differences.
     
    They’re different, which gives makes consuming their art as a Westerner a little more interesting, all else equal. E.g., Liu Cixin’s Three-Body Trilogy is great sci-fi, but it has an added alienness because it comes from a Chinese perspective. But they’re obviously pretty competent, even when judged by Western standards. They have skyscrapers and bullet trains.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @RichardTaylor

    According to Asians, they are very competent copy/pasters. And for sure they are.

    China and much of Asia was held back artificially by communism, a creation of the Ivy League set.

  142. Did you invent any of this shit whites are so famous for inventing?

    Then I don’t get what you’re so all-fired conceited about.

    You yourself didn’t do nuffin. What does what some guy who just happens to share the same skin color as you–and nothing else–accomplished have to do with you?

    Classic example of low-IQ stupidity. Taking undeserved credit.

    • Agree: gandydancer
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @obwandiyag

    Did you invent any of this shit whites are so famous for inventing?

    Classic example of low-IQ stupidity. Taking undeserved credit.

    So are you going to protest Black history month with that argument? Of course not .

    These double standards are ridiculous and completely stupid.

    The completely stupid aspect will not end well for the left.

    If they were smart they would accept racial differences and focus on individuals.

    Ignoring 60k years of natural history and then foisting insane double standards on Whites in an effort to fix nature will only lead to a retraction of White guilt. That White guilt is what keeps them alive.

    The amusing part is that egalitarians and leftists think they can deny nature while depicting themselves as experts on it. It's all such a fraud. I had a left wing prof admit behind closed doors that the whole thing is a lie.

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @obwandiyag

    Midwit take.

    Taking pride in the accomplishments of your group complements individuals excelling on behalf of their groups.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  143. Anonymous[300] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar
    @Dave Pinsen


    ...it has an added alienness because it comes from a Chinese perspective.
     
    They're harsher than the Calvinists. They see our entire planet as a dirt ball:

    The Chinese names of the 9-planets (or 8+Pluto) in our solar-system are:

    Mercury-水星 (the star of water)
    Venus-金星 (the star of metal)
    Earth-地球 (dirt ball)
    Mars-火星 (the star of fire)
    Jupiter-木星 (the star of wood)
    Saturn-土星 (the star of earth)
    Uranus-天王星 (the star of the king of the sky)
    Neptune-海王星 (the star of the king of the sea)
    Pluto-冥王星 (the star of the king of the underworld)

    https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-traditional-names-for-the-planets-in-Chinese-and-what-stories-or-myths-are-associated-with-them-in-the-Chinese-culture
     

    Note that the last three are borrowed from us. The others derive from the colors of the planets and the "elements" that match. It's more poetry than science.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Twinkie

    The names of the inner planets (named after the five Chinese “elements” or “phases”) also match up with the Japanese names of weekdays, which in turn match the Roman/Greek deity reflected e.g. in the French name of the weekday.

    For example:

    Mercury-水星 (the star of water) 水曜日 (water day) mercredi

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Anonymous

    In Japan and Korea:

    Monday = moon day
    Tuesday = fire (Mars) day
    Wednesday = water (Mercury) day
    Thursday = wood (Jupiter) day
    Friday = metal/gold (Venus) day
    Saturday = soil (Saturn) day
    Sunday = sun day

  144. Rufo should have answered with “the diversity! blonde hair, red hair, light brown hair, dark brown hair, raven hair, blue eyes, green eyes, hazel eyes, brown eyes, alabaster skin, olive skin, tanned skin, freckles!”

    or he could have just answered “our hair!”

  145. Other suitable responses from most politic to least:

    1. Answer a hostile question with a converse one: “First tell me, what do you like about being black? Perhaps it’s the same.”

    2. “The beautiful women.”

    3. “Less worry about reversion toward the mean.”

  146. It’s only after the (inevitable) EMP attack – the development of which we will have funded – that everything will become clear.
    Within months whites will have banded together (subiect to proximity of below) and start to form coherent societies.
    For Blacks, everywhere will be the Superdome in New Orleans after Katrina, with a side of cannibalism.

  147. @Reg Cæsar
    @Dave Pinsen


    ...it has an added alienness because it comes from a Chinese perspective.
     
    They're harsher than the Calvinists. They see our entire planet as a dirt ball:

    The Chinese names of the 9-planets (or 8+Pluto) in our solar-system are:

    Mercury-水星 (the star of water)
    Venus-金星 (the star of metal)
    Earth-地球 (dirt ball)
    Mars-火星 (the star of fire)
    Jupiter-木星 (the star of wood)
    Saturn-土星 (the star of earth)
    Uranus-天王星 (the star of the king of the sky)
    Neptune-海王星 (the star of the king of the sea)
    Pluto-冥王星 (the star of the king of the underworld)

    https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-traditional-names-for-the-planets-in-Chinese-and-what-stories-or-myths-are-associated-with-them-in-the-Chinese-culture
     

    Note that the last three are borrowed from us. The others derive from the colors of the planets and the "elements" that match. It's more poetry than science.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Twinkie

    Venus-金星 (the star of metal)

    In that context, “the golden star” would be a better translation. You know the South Korean company LG? Its older name is Lucky-GoldStar (Lucky Chemical + GoldStar Electronics).

    It’s more poetry than science.

    So elements = poetry, but pagan deities = science?

  148. Anonymous[302] • Disclaimer says:

    Woke Lockheed

    Madison Ave.-engineered globohomo pander-pride goeth before destruction

  149. “The ethical superiority of the white race, as manifested in whites denying any superiority whatsoever, must be infuriating to other races.”

    It’s called the ol’ humble bit. Or even humblebragging, a la ‘equality, liberty, colorblindness really works, guys. We helped create these terms, trust us, they really work best in societies.” But for the rest of the world, it comes across as arrogant and once more whitey lording it over the rest.

    “After such knowledge, what forgiveness?”

    I just keep seeing that rejoinder, Is There in Truth no Beauty?

    “How can the growing inferno of anti-white racist hatred abate? The win-win solution is for nonwhites to lift themselves up so that the gap that emerged over the last 600 years is not so embarrassing to them.”

    Really, it’s about one specific non-white group lifting themselves up to close the gap. But, what makes you think that this specific group is embarrassed by the gap, Steve? They don’t appear to be so.

    “Blacks have somewhat narrowed the creativity gap and have some potential to narrow the competence gap if they make the effort.”

    “Have they really narrowed the creativity gap? In what concrete specific ways have they done so? Making the effort…that sounds like a lot of work, and perhaps at the end of the day, all that hard work won’t pay off in spades for them. Much easier to just make demands along the lines of ‘You owe us! We want your stuff, now!’

    That’s much easier to achieve things as well as narrow the gaps. Just so long as it looks good and their group ends up with the desired stuff.

  150. What this video is showing is a clash between the ideas of particularism and universalism. The black guy is flaunting his particularism, talking up his tribe and inviting pale-boy to join in. But whites in America grew up getting it pounded into their heads that universalism was anti-racism. Since racism is dividing people up into categories and then ranking them, if we just stopped dividing people up in categories then racism is cancelled! All those differences are just skin deep or social constructs. It’s the content of our character that needs to be ranked, not the color of our skin. We’re really just one big happy human species with a few redneck wreckers who need to be brought on board the universalist train.

    But not so fast. There is complicated dialectical tension between universalism and particularism that is in constant need of resolution. Universalism can indeed be racism. For example, in defining the human species, one must demarcate the upper and lower limits of the general idea of man. Above we have the world of supra-human (Gods and action heroes) and below the sub-human.
    One road to “racism” in its broadest sense it to declare one particularity as universal and to impose it on the rest. An analogy between groups of races and groups of nations can be made. I do not mean nations in a racial sense. American Exceptionalism is an example, albeit not racial, but of a particular entity declaring itself universal and imposing this decision upon the world through such policies as Invade the World/ Invite the World and Full-Spectrum Dominance.

    Today, Jews are vulnerable to this concept of defeating racism through universality. Often in the past, Jews have been asked or forced to abandon their particularity and accept universality. Or their mistreatment is declared to be their own fault since they chose difference over assimilation. This idea of abandoning particularism and choosing universalism creates great trauma for Jews. In a Janus-faced paradox, in order to survive, it is the Jews who must attempt to impose universality on gentile particularism.

    [MORE]

    Judaism is a striking demonstration of the interdependence of particularism and universalism. Back in the day, Hebrew tribes made a covenant with their God. They would follow his law and in return they would be the Chosen People. They needed several bouts of corrective punishment but as the years went on the Covenant was secured. The problem was that in those days all tribes had their own gods. Just as each mother thinks her children are the bestest, these gods thought their tribes were special. In order to be truly Chosen, you need an other (gentiles) who are not chosen. And the only way to accomplish this is to universalize your God, through monotheism, who then in turn universalizes Jewish particularity and dominance in the hierarchy of man.

    Easier said than done, try as they might, most other tribes scoffed at the idea of accepting second class status by worshiping Yahweh. The Book of Daniel recounts Jewish efforts (eerily like a bunch of neocons) to gaslight the King of Babylon into accepting Yahweh as the universal god of the gentiles as well as the Jews.

    There is an impossible tension between particularism and universalism in Judaism and one way to overcome this contradiction is through the supra-human Messianic figure, a God Emperor who descends from the heavens sporting superpowers in order to impose Jewish particularity upon the resistant gentile. Tragically for Jews, this Messiah never appears, but Cesar soon does, and destroys the Temple and scatters the survivors over a vast diaspora.

    Today, Jews are vulnerable to the concept of defeating racism through universality. Often in the diaspora, Jews have been asked or forced to abandon their particularity and accept universality. Their mistreatment is justified by their choice of difference over assimilation. This idea of abandoning particularism and choosing universalism creates great trauma for Jews. In a Janus-faced paradox, in order to survive, it is the Jews who must attempt to impose universality on gentile particularism.

    This is the intellectual context of the bout of black particularity. No, blacks are not coming up with this all on their own. It is being encouraged. Now to be fair, particularity was imposed on blacks and so they have a strong justification for holding on to it. Not only that, but black particularity is also rewarded through affirmative action, ensuring universality can never take much of a hold in the black community.

    Wokeness is blacks being idealized by goodwhites and Jews into functioning as a sort of group Messiah, full of special superpowers, in order to once again try to resolve tensions between particularism and universalism that threaten Jewish identity. If history is any guide, this Messiah will ultimately fail to do the job as well, and President Xi or his successor will end up playing the role of Cesar. But that is in the future.

    Today, how is whitey, so deeply engrained with universality, to respond to requests to express his particularity? First off, we must admit there is a tendency for whites to universalize their culture and tendencies. Like for rationality or being on time! The white guy played this card well. But there is an important point there. Non-whites are not white. In the anti-racist movement, they are attacking whiteness through essentialist discourses. Yes, they claim these are innate “cultural” differences and not racial but what the difference is between race and culture is never explained. Don’t get me wrong, white cultural traits are great, especially for white people. This conflict tells you what the future of multiracial societies is.

    One possible way out of this dilemma for the time being is Pierre Poujade’s concept of an opposition between “raced” people, those people who choose to have a race, and “raceless” people, such as old stock French people. Obviously at some point French people have a race but it has become such a complex mix of Gauls, Latins, and Franks, plus plenty of others such as Nordic. The same is true of “whites” in America. In fact the term white should be cancelled. It was invented for America since in Europe everyone was white which means no one was white, they instead had their various European races. In Poujade’s usage, only raced people, such as the Jews, could be racist because only they valued race so much that they clung on to it so desperately. Raceless people give up race to the melting pot of assimilation.

    The categories white and black are extremely broad, especially if we consider how diverse Africa, not to mention Europe. It’s time for a Foucauldian deconstruction of these black/white categories and how they emerge from a colonialist attempt to annihilate African diversity! Newly rebranded European-American if they wish can start to study and take pride in their unique European admixture; while still claiming the mantle of raceless. Conversations between blacks and whites on race would be become more difficult, as blacks concentrate their particular African components (and inquire as to which part sold them to whitey) while whites concentrate on their histories.

  151. The win-win solution is for nonwhites to lift themselves up so that the gap that emerged over the last 600 years is not so embarrassing to them.

    No Sir the answer is to separate.

    Our Race Is Our Nation.

    • Disagree: Corvinus
  152. @Bragadocious
    @Jonathan Mason


    black and white Americans have a lot more in common with each other than with other races, but they enjoy engaging in an uncivil war with each other.

    For example both black and white Americans are strongly into fundamentalist-type religion that hardly exists in most developed Nations. And they all love sports that only Americans play.
     
    I've often made the same observation about Englishmen who also identify as Pakistani. They love all the "empire" sports like cricket and soccer, eat the same takeout kebab and watch the same television. They're as English as John Cleese and David Beckham. This is why when tradcons bemoan the "Pakistani" rape gangs in the UK, I laugh. These are English rape gangs being run by Englishmen.

    Replies: @Gordo, @Jonathan Mason, @James Forrestal

    These are English rape gangs being run by Englishmen.

    Yes this must be true, I saw it on the BBC.

  153. @gandydancer
    @RichardTaylor


    If HBD’ers could stab White people in the back by giving every other race the same talents, they would do it in a heartbeat.
     
    The benefit to me of the deficiencies of, e.g., black people is non-obvious.

    If everyone were as smart as Jews I wouldn't have to endure so many morons.

    Replies: @Gordo

    If everyone were as smart as Jews I wouldn’t have to endure so many morons.

    You are quite right to want to be surrounded by your own race, and uniquely you even have a place you can do this.

    • Replies: @gandydancer
    @Gordo


    You are quite right to want to be surrounded by your own race, and uniquely you even have a place you can do this.
     
    Nonsense. Largely-Ethnostates are a multitude. What's yours?
  154. Re the Sobran quote, below on the same lines, though perhaps crueller because it takes more of the pi$$ out of NOT being white, is a piece from Dave Bullard, a South African journalist who was promptly cancelled:

    Uncolonised Africa wouldn’t know what it was missing

    David Bullard | @Moneyweb | 8 April 2010 00:05

    Imagine for a moment what life would be like in South Africa if the evil white man hadn’t come to disturb the rustic idyll of the early black settlers.
    Ignored by the Portuguese and Dutch, except as a convenient resting point en route to India. Shunned by the British, who had decided that their empire was already large enough and didn’t need to include bits of Africa.
    The vast mineral wealth lying undisturbed below the Highveld soil as simple tribesmen graze their cattle blissfully unaware that beneath them lies one of the richest gold seams in the world. But what would they want with gold?
    There are no roads because no roads are needed because there are no cars. It’s 2008 and no one has taken the slightest interest in South Africa, apart from a handful of botanists and zoologists who reckon that the country’s flora and fauna rank as one of the largest unspoilt areas in a polluted world.
    Because they have never been exposed to the sinful ways of the West, the various tribes of South Africa live healthy and peaceful lives, only occasionally indulging in a bit of ethnic cleansing.
    Their children don’t watch television because there is no television to watch. Instead they listen to their grandparents telling stories around a fire. They live in single-storey huts arranged to catch most of the day’s sunshine and their animals are kept nearby.
    Nobody has any more animals than his family needs and nobody grows more crops than he requires to feed his family and swap for other crops. Ostentation is unknown because what is the point of trying to impress your fellow citizens when they are not impressible?
    The dreaded Internet doesn’t exist in South Africa and cellphone companies have laughed off any hope of interesting the inhabitants in talking expensively into a piece of black plastic. There are no unsightly shopping malls selling expensive goods made by Asian slave workers and consequently there are no newspapers or magazines carrying articles comparing the relative merits of ladies’ handbags.
    Whisky, the curse of the white man, isn’t known in this undeveloped land and neither are cigars. The locals brew a sort of beer out of vegetables and drink it out of shallow wooden bowls. Five-litre paint cans have yet to arrive in South Africa.
    Every so often a child goes missing from the village, eaten either by a hungry lion or a crocodile. The family mourn for a week or so and then have another child. Life is, on the whole, pretty good but there is something vital missing. Being unaware of the temptations of the outside world, nobody knows what it is. Fire has been discovered and the development of the wheel is coming on nicely but the tribal elders are still aware of some essential happiness ingredient they still need to discover. Praying to the ancestors is no help because they are just as clueless.
    Then something happens that will change this undisturbed South Africa forever. Huge metal ships land on the coast and big metal flying birds are sent to explore the sparsely populated hinterland. They are full of men from a place called China and they are looking for coal, metal, oil, platinum, farmland, fresh water and cheap labour and lots of it. Suddenly the indigenous population realise what they have been missing all along: someone to blame. At last their prayers have been answered.

    • Agree: new Stalin
    • Thanks: Rob McX, Achmed E. Newman
  155. @DanHessinMD
    @Almost Missouri

    I think Rufo did a great job. If Marc Lamont Hill realized that his question was a trap, then he is really nasty.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    Of course Hill knows it’s trap. That’s why he asked it, and why he keeps insisting Rufo get into it.

    There is a reason that the media employ Hill over the millions of other people who could just as easily wear a suit and ask scripted questions: he knows the agenda and he executes it.

  156. @res
    @PiltdownMan

    One thing I find interesting about that table. It looks like there is more between university collaboration in economics than in the sciences. Or perhaps more movement between universities during the undergrad/grad/professor progression?

    It seems wrong somehow that MIT is credited with more Economics "Nobels" than Physics, Chemistry, and Physiology or Medicine Nobels combined.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Nachum

    It does make sense though, when you consider that MIT was so central, at first—more than any other American university—in imparting training in mathematical economics of the sort that has defined the subject since WWII.

    I speculate that perhaps many an aspiring, smart young economist has sought out contact with MIT’s economics department, if possible, in their career—whether as an undergraduate or graduate student, or as a researcher.

  157. @al gore rhythms
    What a weak answer. It's hard to see why he's so bothered about Noel Ignatief wanting to abolish the white race when he doesn't even believe in the concept himself and can ascribe no positive value to the idea of such a thing. Isn't that the very goal that Ignatief wanted anyway?

    The interviewer really exposed him with this line of questioning.

    Replies: @anon, @jon, @AndrewR, @R.G. Camara, @Ed, @James Forrestal

    Well it’s a trap for one. If he boasts about being white then Marc and others can brand him as a white supremacist which would jeopardize his appearances on Fox & his career.

  158. @International Jew
    @Almost Missouri


    “I don’t like being white. We are discriminated against and vilified at every turn.” Puts the ball back in the inquisitor’s court.
     
    The inquisitor will say you're showing "white fragility".

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    Perhaps. But then Rufo could say, “What’s ‘fragile’ about noticing reality?” Puts the burden back on Hill to deny reality or to confirm reality in a way unfavorable to Hill and The Narrative.

    Another approach is to invite Hill to name anything he likes about whites. Either he says “nothing”, which makes him the hater, or he names something he was trying to get Rufo to say, which defeats the trap.

  159. @Anonymous
    @Reg Cæsar

    The names of the inner planets (named after the five Chinese "elements" or "phases") also match up with the Japanese names of weekdays, which in turn match the Roman/Greek deity reflected e.g. in the French name of the weekday.

    For example:

    Mercury-水星 (the star of water) 水曜日 (water day) mercredi

    Replies: @Twinkie

    In Japan and Korea:

    Monday = moon day
    Tuesday = fire (Mars) day
    Wednesday = water (Mercury) day
    Thursday = wood (Jupiter) day
    Friday = metal/gold (Venus) day
    Saturday = soil (Saturn) day
    Sunday = sun day

  160. “Why that’s a great question, Mark, and I’m glad you asked it!”

    “Everything.”

    “No, seriously, everything. Look around you Mark. No, actually, physically turn your head in your room and look around you. From the refrigerator where your pre-packaged, ‘safe to eat food’ is not rotting, down to your feet where your mass-produced socks are keeping your feet warm and your shoes are keeping your toes from being cut during your daily walk… the running water that’s not foul… the insulated walls that keep you safe during storms, the electricity that lights your room and powers the device that we’re now communicating with! Not to mention the cultural appropriation (which I won’t mention, Mark! wink wink) of you using my style of clothing, my language, my technology while sitting on my land trying to insult me! Ha ha ha!” (jovial moment)

    “Oh and there’s so much more to say about all of that, but we only have a limited amount of time, because I’m sure you’ve got more to do today talking about the importance of… er, something related to eliminating whiteness; otherwise known as everything that the modern world enjoys…”

    “So you see Mark, at the end of the day, the pejorative term “white supremacy” simply means “civilization.” And as we’re now seeing in real time, you can’t have one without the other.”

    “Mark, I hope you have a fantastic, safe day in Western Civilization!”

    • Agree: Rob McX
    • Replies: @photondancer
    @Rob Lee

    "No, actually, physically turn your head in your room and look around you"

    Nice. :-)

    "Not to mention the cultural appropriation of you using my style of clothing, my language, my technology"

    Glad I'm not the only one who's observed that foreigners yelping 'cultural appropriation' invariably are wearing western clothing, wearing western watches, carrying western phones (they may be made in China but they weren't invented there) etc.

  161. @al gore rhythms
    @jon

    What would I answer? Well, the presenter had already given the guest the example of the way he felt about being black. Perhaps if he had said that the way he feels about being black--about knowing where you come from; having roots--is the way other races feel about their race too.

    And knowing where you come from, and having an attatchment to your roots, is as important for Europeans/European Americans as it is for anyone else.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    But blacks don’t really know where they came from. A black person wanting to look up their family history would have a hard time before 1870 and absolutely no luck prior to the forced importation from Africa. Most whites know very little about their own roots but at least it’s possible to find records of their ancestors going back centuried.

    • Replies: @photondancer
    @AndrewR

    Only if they're Icelandic. Many Europeans can't trace their ancestry more than a few generations because records have been destroyed by time or war, or were never properly kept in the first place.

  162. @al gore rhythms
    @anon

    Is it really sensing a trap, or just the knee-jerk sense of fear that any white person has around this subject?

    Anyway, I don't agree that it was a trap. By offering some examples of what he likes about being black, and by pointing out that others see him as being white, he had forgone the right to any feigned outrage concering the guest's answer.

    'Insofar as 'being white' is a synonym for my European, Christian heritage, there is a lot about European history and culture which I appreciate being part of'. Would that really have brought the Heavens down?

    Replies: @AndrewR

    Whether or not the host was being malicious in asking that question, answering it the way most of us here at Unz.com would answer it would have resulted in a lot of drama for Rufo.

  163. @RichardTaylor

    The East Asians have vastly closed the competence gap and are working, slowly, on the creativity gap (note the sizable number of hard science Nobels the Japanese have won in this century).
     
    Boy, it's really, really, really important to the HBD crowd to show that East Asians are really just White people with a few minor cosmetic differences.

    Blacks have somewhat narrowed the creativity gap and have some potential to narrow the competence gap if they make the effort.
     
    If HBD'ers could stab White people in the back by giving every other race the same talents, they would do it in a heartbeat.

    Replies: @gandydancer, @silviosilver, @Dave Pinsen, @AndrewR

    How would that be “stabbing other white people in the back”? Do you think other groups would use that additional competence to hurt whites? Or are you committed to being in the “top race” just for its own sake?

    Let me tell you a secret: if whites were really as awesome as you imply, we wouldn’t be in this mess.

    If we could somehow make blacks smarter and better behaved, the bailey explanation for CRT and other “anti-racist” dogma would be useless. When you ask anti-racists” what their goal is, they will say equality of outcomes (although they dress it up in fantastical theories about how there isn’t equality of opportunity and how that’s the fault of whites). So if we equalized outcomes, they would have to just admit to the motte part and say “we hate you just for existing.”

    The scumbag rapper Nipsey Hussle, whom Satan mercifully brought home a couple years ago exemplified this by telling a white man on a plane (who had had the Caucasity to ask Nipsey to use headphones for his music) that he would “slap you just for slavery.”

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @AndrewR


    Let me tell you a secret: if whites were really as awesome as you imply, we wouldn’t be in this mess.
     
    We’re in this mess specifically because of race-traitors.

    If we could somehow make blacks smarter and better behaved, the bailey explanation for CRT and other “anti-racist” dogma would be useless.
     
    Jews are smarter and more “well behaved“. And they created CRT. Being smart and well behaved doesn’t mean someone’s going to be your friend. In fact, they may be a more vicious enemy.

    So if we equalized outcomes, they would have to just admit to the motte part and say “we hate you just for existing.”
     
    Equalize outcomes! I think what you’re talking is a utopian vision. This kind of proves the point, either a person is pro-white or anti-white. You’d throw white people under the bus in a second to pursue some abstract concept in the sky.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @AndrewR

  164. @Almost Missouri
    @JimDandy

    Yes, the question is a trap, and a strong one. As anon[371], jon, and ArthurinCali point out, almost any meaningful answer will become a weapon in the hands of the anti-whites. Rufo was prudent to dodge and weave. Still, advanced white people should be able to turn the question around onto the inquisitor.

    Triteleia Laxa offers a pretty devastating comeback:


    Not having to worship mediocre achievement as great, simply because the person, who achieved, shares my skin colour.

    Not having to excuse harm for no other reason than the perpetrator is my race.
     
    Concisely exposes the fraud of Affirmative Action culture, and puts the burden of proof back onto the inquisitor.

    jon says, "explicitly call him out right from the start." Good, if you can pull it off. It's easier said than done. And the inquisitor can always take Hill's disingenuous "I'm just asking..." defense with an injured tone.

    jamie b. says:

    The proper response would have been: What am I allowed to like about being white? Is there a response that a POC can accept?
     
    That could work, but it leaves a lot of initiative in the hands of the inquisitor.

    Shorter stonewall jackson: "White wimminz!" Very funny. Would probably crack up the black guy. Neutralizes the question but doesn't reconquer territory.

    One answer not yet suggested: "I don't like being white. We are discriminated against and vilified at every turn." Puts the ball back in the inquisitor's court. Either he has to deny it, which is obviously false, or he has to justify it, which confirms the thesis and makes the anti-racist mask slip further from the anti-white face.

    Best case scenario is make the inquisitor recite the traits of whiteness he was expecting you to say, at which point you can ask, "Are you saying POC can't do that?"

    Replies: @DanHessinMD, @JimDandy, @International Jew, @Almost Missouri

    Shoutouts to cuckdislikerand BLESTO-V, whom I missed before.

    cuckdisliker:

    Personally, I like not having a chip on my shoulder over crap I have not suffered at the hands of people who have been dead for a long time.

    It’s okay to be white.

    Formulated even more succinctly by Roger: “Not having a race-obsessed chip on my shoulder.”

    BLESTO-V:

    I would have said that I don’t like being white, because it means no one tells me I’m cool just because of my skin, [as?] if I’m always in danger of developing an inferiority complex over my own lack of achievement. I wish I were black, so that it would be impossible for me to starve, there would be no moral standards I could fail, and I’d never have to feel inadequate.

    This delivers Triteleia-tier devastation. It’ll be gloves-off after this. Also the second sentence at least would almost certainly be seized on and rebroadcast by Big Media as incontrovertible evidence of your NaziRacismHatefulfulness, but that might be okay because it is true and it names the Narrative Peddlers’ racket, thereby undermining it. Back in the day, Trump used to be good at this kind of trolling where he got Big Media to broadcast his message for him by saying something he knew they would have a conniption over but that everyone else would recognize as true.

    International Jew:

    What do I like about being white? None of my cousins are criminals. We can hold family gatherings without fights or shootings.

    Ouch. Of course Hill will reply indignantly, “Are you saying that all Black family gatherings end with fights and shootings?!?” Rufo could say, “Just watch the news, dude.” [That evening a memo goes out from the CEO of GlobohomoNewsCorp: “Effectively immediately, all coverage of family altercations among marginalized people of color will cease.”]

    White Guy In Japan:

    As a White man, I like spending four years and a ton of money to [be] told I am responsible for all the evil in the world. I really love a tenured professor telling me about my privilege, which clearly oppresses everyone around. (Who still insist on hanging around me.)

    Sarcasm. It’s what’s for dinner.

    al gore rhythms doubts the trap and suggests a more conciliatory response:

    ‘Insofar as ‘being white’ is a synonym for my European, Christian heritage, there is a lot about European history and culture which I appreciate being part of’.

    That’s mighty white of you.

    Would that really have brought the Heavens down?

    Inasmuch as this is a slightly more articulate version of “It’s okay to be white”, which has launched a thousand hate crime investigations, yes, it might have brought the Heavens down.

    Well, the presenter had already given the guest the example of the way he felt about being black. Perhaps if [Rufo] had said that the way [Hill] feels about being black–about knowing where you come from; having roots–is the way other races feel about their race too.

    And knowing where you come from, and having an attachment to your roots, is as important for Europeans/European Americans as it is for anyone else.

    Yeah, “same as you” might work, since Hill had already put that marker down. Might. But then Hill circles back to CRT talking points: “whites uniquely evil”, “slabery”, “Holocaust”, etc. etc. Then you’re back at square one but with less padding. Still, we want to go the extra mile for peace, so it’s worth a shot. But si vis pacem, para bellum. Rhetorical peace, rhetorical war. Physical peace and war are being decided above our pay grade.

  165. @James Speaks
    @Jon

    Yes, you may ask. I probably should have said “not whitey white white.” I did mention it was a small, small-minded, Southern Baptist town and every body knew everybody. I had always assumed the reason why so many of the low class whites felt it was their prerogative to just walk up to me and hit me in the face was I made 100s on tests, never studied, answered questions before teacher had finished asking, etc etc. Looking back, I now think it was because I had the audacity to make 100s on tests, never study, answer questions before teacher had finished asking, etc etc. Recently took at look at one of the goofy classroom photos with everybody’s name on back, and there were all these anglo/scottish kids who all looked alke with varying sheds of light brown hair, and then one kid with dark hair, dark eyes who just looked different. Also, my cranium was noticeably larger. I still have a big head.

    To answer your question directly, in most places now, no one suspects unless I utter the dreaded S word. I'm about the same shade as Basher al-Assad, and my uncles looked like his father.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    dreaded S word

    “Syrian”?

  166. Being able to make Healthy White Babies!

  167. @jorge videla
    Ignatiev was born Noel Saul Ignatin in Philadelphia...His family was Jewish.

    https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1446731941443.jpg

    Replies: @gandydancer, @Jim Christian

    Ignatiev was born Noel Saul Ignatin in Philadelphia…His family was Jewish.

    Shocking! A Jew speaking as if he is White. Gotta love it. If the black guy knew his onions, he’d ask Noel if his family hails from Philly as far back as 175 years ago when slave brokers were Jewish and operated out of Philadelphia, directing demand for blacks from slave ships to Charleston SC slave auctions..

    The black interviewer is an idiot, they all are really, because when the lights go out and their toilets don’t flush and that time will come someday, the privileged Whites who do their dirty work for them will have since passed from the stage. And blacks don’t pack the brainpower to do that stuff. What do blacks pack the brainpower for, you ask? Africa, cannibals’ pots, spears. Nothing First World.

    • Agree: new Stalin
  168. @res
    @PiltdownMan

    One thing I find interesting about that table. It looks like there is more between university collaboration in economics than in the sciences. Or perhaps more movement between universities during the undergrad/grad/professor progression?

    It seems wrong somehow that MIT is credited with more Economics "Nobels" than Physics, Chemistry, and Physiology or Medicine Nobels combined.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Nachum

    The Economics Nobel often goes to mathematicians.

  169. @anon
    @al gore rhythms

    What a weak answer.

    Perhaps he sees the trap embedded in the oh-so-innocent question better than you.

    It is a passive-aggressive line of questioning on a par with "Have you stopped beating your wife and kids?". Obviously asked in bad faith, and intended to provide something Tweetable for clickbait. It would be a bonus if there was any cancel-bait.

    The interviewer really exposed himself with this line of questioning.

    FIFY.

    Replies: @al gore rhythms, @Cloudbuster

    What a typical White cuck explanation.

    You are basically saying that the “trap” is refusing to kneel.

    By kneeling, by saying “there’s nothing special about being White” to a member of a race that ostentatiously promotes “black pride” you are simply saying, “Yes, massah, I like it here in this cage!”

    If every White would simply be as willing to express pride in being White every day as readily as other races express their racial pride, this war against Whites would be over in a day.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Cloudbuster

    We do express pride as whites. Just not in the ways you prefer. That is our liberty in action.

  170. Yeah, I can see where what happened. Assuming- and that’s assuming a bit- that Rufo really knows the score, his whole attack on the madness is that no one race is particularly good or bad, so he can’t answer honestly.

    Honestly:

    “Yes, I am proud of [see my list below].”

    In a world a bit more ideal than ours:

    “Mr. Hill, you’re not a professional musician, actor, athlete, civil rights leader, or scientist. As a black man, are you proud of Kanye, Denzel, LeBron, Martin Luther King, or Charles Drew? You are? OK. So assuming- just assuming- that that’s OK, then as a white person, I’m proud that my race was behind things you utilize and enjoy every single day. Western religion, western civilization, democracy, every single scientific advance out there, every single medical discovery out there, every single invention out there, the Enlightenment, morals, ethics, philosophy, human rights, the end of slavery, the rights of minorities, the rights of women, the American Revolution, the founding of this country, the Civil War, beating the Nazis…need I go on? I’ll put that against the NBA and rap music any day.”

    • Replies: @Nachum
    @Nachum

    Of course, basketball and the NBA were invented by white guys. Rap music, pretty much the same.

    , @silviosilver
    @Nachum

    Argh. Listen here, silly autist, the point is not to "win" some pointless debate. The point is to convince other whites to take the pro-white side. That is infinitely more important.

    Demonstrating that whites are more accomplished than blacks is like taking candy from a baby. It's not going to convince whites of anything except that you really are the kind of "supremacist" ogre that the media constantly warns them about.

    Replies: @Nachum

  171. Sobran was full of it. Since when have blacks ever demonstrated embaressment or low self-esteem? On the contrary it is Whites who are acting that way. blacks are the Dunning-Kruger race, they think dey was kangs and we stole all dey inventions, and some Whites believe this as well. The “talented tenth”, who have IQs comparable to the average White person, do not demonstrate any less hostility towards Whites, and there is no reason to believe that “uplifting” blacks will make them suddenly feel warmer feelings towards us.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @West reanimator


    Since when have blacks ever demonstrated embaressment or low self-esteem?
     
    You need to get out more.

    They don't necessarily shout it from the rooftops, but more than a few blacks are willing to recognize the faults in their race. Other blacks - the majority, to be sure - denounce this as "black negativity."
  172. Slightly OT. We shouldn’t completely lose sight of the other “historical” events leading up to the international rage about Floyd’s death during his arrest.

    The dogwalker who called the cops on the gay birdwatcher is in the news again: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/woman-sues-ex-employer-for-racial-discrimination-after-viral-central-park-incident/ar-AAKq0h4?ocid=entnewsntp

    That’s really when the media set the tone that we were experiencing a wave of white supremacism, soon followed by the Georgia jogger. And then Floyd…

    The question is, does her federal racial discrimination lawsuit have legs? Is anti-white racism not actionable? And if not, why not?

  173. @obwandiyag
    Did you invent any of this shit whites are so famous for inventing?

    Then I don't get what you're so all-fired conceited about.

    You yourself didn't do nuffin. What does what some guy who just happens to share the same skin color as you--and nothing else--accomplished have to do with you?

    Classic example of low-IQ stupidity. Taking undeserved credit.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Dave Pinsen

    Did you invent any of this shit whites are so famous for inventing?

    Classic example of low-IQ stupidity. Taking undeserved credit.

    So are you going to protest Black history month with that argument? Of course not .

    These double standards are ridiculous and completely stupid.

    The completely stupid aspect will not end well for the left.

    If they were smart they would accept racial differences and focus on individuals.

    Ignoring 60k years of natural history and then foisting insane double standards on Whites in an effort to fix nature will only lead to a retraction of White guilt. That White guilt is what keeps them alive.

    The amusing part is that egalitarians and leftists think they can deny nature while depicting themselves as experts on it. It’s all such a fraud. I had a left wing prof admit behind closed doors that the whole thing is a lie.

  174. @jon
    The question was obvious bait to try to get a sound bite that could go viral. Rufo was smart for not answering.

    Replies: @Forbes

    Media purposely offers “gotcha questions” embedded with accusatory assumptions (“when did you stop beating your wife?”), which is why anyone on the right doing media interviews better be prepared for them, and also, be good a deflection.

    The interviewer’s objective is to make you look bad, and take you down–they are not interested in your perspective–much less an open and objective discussion.

  175. @Triteleia Laxa
    Not having to worship mediocre achievement as great, simply because the person, who achieved, shares my skin colour.

    Not having to excuse harm for no other reason than the perpetrator is my race.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    You’re right. Selling your own children into the most humiliating subjugation to build a shitty obsolete airplane that doesn’t even work isn’t mediocre. It’s so rotten it stinks to high Heaven.

    And you did indeed worship it as great as the MAGA-man himself and his Congress made sure it was fully funded and bragged about as part of his Make America GREAT Again program.

    For God’s sake can you even hear yourselves? NYT talks about Till and Tulsa all the time because you’re coasting on achievements even older than that.

  176. The best thing about Whiteness is being at a higher state of evolution, seeking truth, and finding a balance between living for the moment and planning ahead.

    Second best is the ability to produce an adequate amount of vitamin D far from the equator, far from Africa.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @noticers

    "The best thing about Whiteness is being at a higher state of evolution, seeking truth, and finding a balance between living for the moment and planning ahead."

    Those are HUMAN traits, not "Whiteness".

    Replies: @Cloudbuster

  177. “That’s an interesting question, Marc. But let me ask you: is there anything I’m allowed to like about being white? Because it seems to me that any answer I give is going to be called “white supremacism.” And if that’s the case, then nah, I’m not going to answer your question, thanks.”

    If he insists that it’s a sincere question, “Look, why don’t you give me some examples of things that you might like about being white, if you were white yourself, and I’ll tell you if I agree or not.”

    The point, of course, is not to arrive at any list of things that are good about being white, it’s to demonstrate to other whites what an anti-white POC POS your interrogator is.

  178. @obwandiyag
    Did you invent any of this shit whites are so famous for inventing?

    Then I don't get what you're so all-fired conceited about.

    You yourself didn't do nuffin. What does what some guy who just happens to share the same skin color as you--and nothing else--accomplished have to do with you?

    Classic example of low-IQ stupidity. Taking undeserved credit.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Dave Pinsen

    Midwit take.

    Taking pride in the accomplishments of your group complements individuals excelling on behalf of their groups.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Dave Pinsen

    Still a midwit take.

    If you feel pride, you feel pride. Be honest with yourself about it. If you don't feel pride, be honest with yourself about that too.

    See where courage takes you.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Dave Pinsen

  179. @Bragadocious
    @Jonathan Mason


    black and white Americans have a lot more in common with each other than with other races, but they enjoy engaging in an uncivil war with each other.

    For example both black and white Americans are strongly into fundamentalist-type religion that hardly exists in most developed Nations. And they all love sports that only Americans play.
     
    I've often made the same observation about Englishmen who also identify as Pakistani. They love all the "empire" sports like cricket and soccer, eat the same takeout kebab and watch the same television. They're as English as John Cleese and David Beckham. This is why when tradcons bemoan the "Pakistani" rape gangs in the UK, I laugh. These are English rape gangs being run by Englishmen.

    Replies: @Gordo, @Jonathan Mason, @James Forrestal

    This is why when tradcons bemoan the “Pakistani” rape gangs in the UK, I laugh. These are English rape gangs being run by Englishmen.

    Totally agree. 50 years ago in England there were taxi drivers pimping underage prostitutes in Liverpool and they mostly had names like O’Shaughnessy not Shah or Sharif.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Jonathan Mason

    50 years ago in England there were taxi drivers pimping underage prostitutes in Liverpool and they mostly had names like O’Shaughnessy not Shah or Sharif.

    Why were you patronizing Liverpool prostitutes in 1971?

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    , @Bragadocious
    @Jonathan Mason

    LOL more accurately your sex traffickers and pedos had names like Mountbatten and Savile.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @syonredux
    @Jonathan Mason

    It's all about showing the proper respect....


    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/06/03/17/29180568-8383747-image-a-20_1591201828541.jpg

  180. @Dave Pinsen
    @obwandiyag

    Midwit take.

    Taking pride in the accomplishments of your group complements individuals excelling on behalf of their groups.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    Still a midwit take.

    If you feel pride, you feel pride. Be honest with yourself about it. If you don’t feel pride, be honest with yourself about that too.

    See where courage takes you.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Still a midwit take.

    If you feel pride, you feel pride. Be honest with yourself about it. If you don’t feel pride, be honest with yourself about that too

    What exactly is midwit about it?

    Pride and group cohesion are directly connected to policy and culture.

    If you don't believe that group accomplishments mean anything then you are more likely to believe that open borders to the third world is a good idea. History suggests that this just turns your country into the third world. Egalitarians *want to believe* otherwise but history is rather consistent here. So the impacts go well beyond self-esteem or identity.

    But more importantly I've seen "Black Pride" PSAs on television where they celebrate 3/4 White inventors as Black. Is that midwit?

    What if White people had "White pride" PSAs where they celebrate 3/4 Black athletes as White?

    If anything is midwit it is going along with this giant circus of denying racial differences that requires absurd levels of anti-intellectualism (while pretending it is all intelligent). If leftists were actually as smart as they imagine themselves then they would focus on the proletariat and end this futile war against nature. Even if they succeed in getting rid of US Whites that would still leave their new Brazil 2.0 in the shadow of Asian countries. Asians have seen the results of egalitarian madness and will not be signing up.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @Triteleia Laxa

    It’s a common sight to see a boxer or MMA fighter hold up his country’s flag after a victory: he’s not foolish to do that, and neither are his countrymen for cheering his victory. He’s one of them, and he’s their champion. This a reciprocity that goes back to Ancient Greece.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  181. I like being inspired by great achievements without having to desperately cherry-pick history and drastically lower my standards of what is truly noteworthy.

    It’s only when I’m scolded about my ‘privilege’ that I even bother to really think about what race or sex the inspirations come from.

    Being white is like not even knowing that you’re on a team until the other teams start complaining about your winning streak.

  182. @anonymouseperson
    They (non whites) hate us (whites) because they know deep down inside we are better then them and build better countries (which they want to come too because their countries are shitholes).

    But admitting this, even if only to themselves, is simply too painful.

    Replies: @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    The Blacks born in America hate whites more than the immigrants from Africa and Latin America. The most hateful Blacks are the American mulattos. They seem to have the most resentment yet benefit the most from affirmative action.

    A big reason Blacks despise whites is due to our media and schools which tell them that all their problems are due to white racism. Mulattos profit the most from this propaganda , thus they actively promote the anti-white agenda.

    Most American Blacks are ignorant of history and actually believe Blacks helped build America. They also believe Blacks built the pyramids and had advanced civilizations in Africa before the arrival of the evil white man. American Blacks are clueless about other nations and have no understanding of African history. They do not hate us for discovering calculus or going to the moon. They hate us because they believe they should have been astronauts going to the moon , but our racism kept blacks from becoming astronauts. They actually believe this crap. This is what we teach them in school and this is what our TV and films show them to be true.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    The most hateful Blacks are the American mulattos. They seem to have the most resentment yet benefit the most from affirmative action.

    I think a lot of them are just bitter over reality and suffer from cognitive dissonance.

    They are around both Blacks and Whites from a younger age so they have a harder time deluding themselves through isolation.

  183. seems like there’s an enormous continuity between the import of this post and the one today about UFOs (and the psychodynamics of their reportage). ‘whites’ have no issue taking credit for their aptitude at science and killingcraft; do y’all feel the same way about your (often mindless) tendency to conform, and the generally repressed character of white social and sexual interaction (especially in Greater Protestantia, which is what we’re fundamentally talking about here)?

  184. SMK says: • Website
    @Matttt

    Blacks have somewhat narrowed the creativity gap and have some potential to narrow the competence gap if they make the effort.
     
    The competence gap is the largest of all. Who would you rather be your cashier at the grocery store? An average black person or a mentally-challenged white person? How about a teacher - would you rather have a white high school grad or a black PhD teach your child freshman English? The list goes on.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @SMK

    The only reason that blacks in the US have “somewhat narrowed the creativity gap and have some potential to narrow the competence gap” is because they live in a country that was founded by English colonists and settled by Eurpean immigrants and their descendants, overwhelmingly German and Irish, and is an extention of European civilization. And, just as if not more signficantly, such “gaps” and disparities have been narrowed, predominantly, by “blacks” who are partly or half or mostly or almost entirely white: mulattos, qaudroons, octoroons.

    The only reason that blacks in Africa have narrowed the creativity and ocmpetence gaps is because of colonialism and contect with Europeans and their civilization. Before colonialism, as Jared Taylor noted in a video on black intelligence, no black culture in African had a calendar or a written language, had invented the wheel or built a two-story building, had domesticated animales, etc.

    • Troll: Corvinus
  185. @Hibernian
    @Art Deco


    He’s a parody academic.
     
    Aren't they all?

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Aren’t who all?

  186. @John Cunningham
    @interesting

    As a White man, I am proud of our centuries of philosophy, the invention of freedom and human rights, our courage in exploring the planet, and our science and technology. Things like the steam engine, electricity, antibiotics, and computers. Also antibiotics, shoes, and air conditioning. And don't forget the wheel. Africans never figured out the wheel.

    Replies: @Richard B, @Truth

    And don’t forget the wheel. Africans never figured out the wheel.

    True. Same with the American Indians, north and south.

    In fact, Africans never really got around to fire either.

    Though, being so close to the sun they probably thought, What’s the point?

    But, it’s more likely that they never thought about it at all.

    • Replies: @Veracitor
    @Richard B


    In fact, Africans never really got around to fire either.
     
    Oh, don’t be silly.

    https://www.thoughtco.com/african-iron-age-169432

    https://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/iron/hd_iron.htm (this one has interesting descriptions of superstitions and nonsense attached to iron and its production in West Africa.)
  187. @Steve Sailer
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    I'm betting nonblack.

    Replies: @danand, @Corvinus, @Corvinus

    “After all, what other race turns the other cheek to racial defamation so often and attempts to appeal to (white-invented) abstract ideals of universality that only whites really find convincing?”

    Exactly where you (and others) fall off the intellectual cliff on the basis of this combined strawman and false conclusion. “Abstract ideals of universality” were not invented by “whites”, they were created by various ethnic and cultural groups. “Western man” refers to the designation Europeans put on themselves to distinguish themselves from other groups. Naturally by way of self-reverence and confirmation bias, anything less than their prescribed ideal falls woefully short.

    The notion of “whites” or “European-whites” being bound together came about as a result of Social Darwinism and imperialism in the late 1800’s–the distinction that separated “us” from “them”. In this manner, the “lowest-rung” whites were deemed superior in social standing than their darkie counterparts, while at the same time knew full well their “pecking order” within the European hierarchy. Speaking about “racial defamation”…

    http://science.jrank.org/pages/10962/Race-Racism-in-Europe-French-Revolution-Nation.html

    One of the first and most important thinkers of the nineteenth century to elaborate this view of society was Joseph-Arthur de Gobineau, who began publishing his L’essai sur l’inegalité des races humaines (Essay on the inequality of the human races) in 1853. Gobineau’s history presented human development for the first time as a contest of races. His book was heavily researched in an attempt to draw together the most up-to-date scholarship of the new realms of science, especially German archaeology and philology and French anthropology. He concluded that contemporary nations were the patrimony of a racial past defined by the conquest of weaker races by stronger ones. He posited three great races, the white, the black, and the yellow, that engaged in constant battle. For Gobineau, the victor and true driving force of human history was the white, or European, race. Yet, this victory came always at a price. Lesser races never disappeared. Instead, they mixed into the conquering races, leaving a weaker whole. The mixture, in fact, elevated lower races, in which he included the yellow and the black and their lingering influence among European peasantry and urban working classes, while the white race was degraded.

    Georges Vacher de Lapouge, in his study of European skulls in 1888, saw three European races and ordered their quality and value: European Man, Alpine Man, and Homo Contractus. He argued that none of these races directly correlated with a specific nation, but his descriptions of their behaviors and religious ideas were clearly meant to correspond to Germany, Southern Europe, and the population of European Jews. The naturalized German citizen Houston Stewart Chamberlain wrote in 1899 that the German race struggled to maintain its purity because of the Darwinian form of natural selection that caused Germans to feel a revulsion toward intermixing with lesser races. Overall, this putative science of race uncoupled nationalism from its liberal roots, implying that those who lived within a national community did not necessarily belong. One could act, speak, or feel German or French but never be German or French.

    In newly unified Italy, northern Italians in Lombardy saw the threat of southern peoples, the Sicilians or Neapolitans, as racially enervating. They were thought to be different because of their hot-blooded, less rational characters—elements believed to emanate from their hotter climate and their proximity to Africa. Similar ideas existed in Spain toward those from the south, in particular Andalu sia. In northern Spain, notions of racial purity became important adjuncts of the Basque nationalist movement that sprang up in the late nineteenth century. The presence of foreign guest workers, or maketos, from other parts of Spain, was perceived as a threat to Basque purity. Sabino Arana, an early founder of Basque nationalism, proposed miscegenation laws in 1901 to prohibit the marriage of Basques to Spaniards.

    Imperialism helped solidify a view of the world as a hierarchy of races with Europeans at the zenith and all others arrayed below. One ugly symbol of this worldview was the “human zoo” that appeared throughout fin de siècle Europe in international fairs and other public spectacles. This kind of menagerie, replete with dioramic portrayals of humans living in their “typical” habitat, produced wide-eyed amazement among Europeans of the late nineteenth century and established racial hierarchy not just as an elite, scientific view of history but also as a popular one. By the 1880’s and 1890’s, race existed as a concrete idea recognizable to any European. Race became an essential element of national strength—and required defense and protection.

    Of course, the hierarchy of race begs the question: If other, non-white races are inferior to “whites”’, then is there a hierarchy within the “white” race? Would not certain “white” groups be considered superior to others that seem “less white” or “not quite white”?

    “…The white man presents an image of superiority even when he isn’t conscious of it. And superiority excites envy. Destroying white civilization is the inmost desire of the league of designated victims we call ‘minorities.’”

    French philosopher Michel Foucault traces race discourses as far back as the 1600’s. The earliest discussions centered on race as being of lineage, language, and tradition, correlated with religion and personal character. To be a member of the Saxon “race” was to speak and live like a Saxon, as compared to other groups. Now, would a Saxon (or an Frank, or a Norman, or a Visogoth) in their heyday have referred to themselves as being “white”? Furthermore, Foucault looks at how the idea of race “mutated”. In the 1700’s, to be a member of a particular race centered on having a specific physical appearance loosely tied to lineage. By the mid to late 1800’s, race morphed into a biological concept based on the theories of Herbert Spencer and Charles Darwin.

    Let us refer to the Greeks and Romans, the foundation for “Western civilization”. Their ideas resonated during the development of the modern European university in the 1700 and 1800’s. Here, classical texts we know and love collided with the racial markers and attitudes of their day–along with Biblical justifications for slavery–as intellectuals of the time period created racial categories placing Europeans at the top rung when it came to scientific and cultural achievements. This result is other than surprising, given how the earliest charts of racial differences were rooted in racial superiority, as scholars has deemed the ancients as being the quintessential “white civilizations”. Yet, would Greeks and Romans have referred to themselves as being “white”?

    There seems to be this conflation of “Western Civilization” and “whiteness” as embraced by the Alt Right today. To me, they are claiming “Since we have inherited the classics because they are our specific genetic and cultural legacy, we are a superior people by which all other peoples are measured and judged”. So, iSteve and company, how do you rectify this notion with beliefs from the Good Book? The Bible says, “From one man he made all the nations. We are God’s offspring” (Acts 17:26, 29). Perhaps you would indulge me in dialectic conversation rather than your usual caginess:

    1) Do you agree or disagree with those Christians consider Europeans to be a “chosen people and Jews to be the cursed offspring of Cain, the ‘serpent hybrid’ (a belief which is known as the two-seedline doctrine)”? Why?

    2) What are your thoughts regarding Wesley A. Swift’s doctrine (he was founder of the Church of Jesus Christ Christian) that non-Caucasian peoples have no souls and therefore can never earn God’s favor or be saved?

    3) How is “race realism” justified from a religious position considering that Christianity’s drive is towards universalism? Just to make it clear, Christian universalism refers to “a school of Christian theology focused around the doctrine of universal reconciliation – the view that all human beings will ultimately be saved and restored to a right relationship with God”.

    • Troll: GeneralRipper
    • Replies: @Keypusher
    @Corvinus

    “French philosopher Michel Foucault traces race discourses as far back as the 1600’s.”

    What a ignorant fool he was, then. Even Ibram X Kendi can do better.

    What do you hope to accomplish with your reams of drivel? MAKE YOUR POINT.

    Replies: @James Forrestal, @Corvinus

  188. @Steve Sailer
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    I'm betting nonblack.

    Replies: @danand, @Corvinus, @Corvinus

    Of course, “white inventions” or “western science”, while noteworthy in their original ideas and innovations, owe much to gunpowder, paper, the compass, and movable type (Chinese), to the number 0 (India), and to the idea of a rule-based, law-giving universal Creator (Middle East).

    The rise of white people to jackbooting status, I mean bearers of civilization, was built on these discoveries.

    Keep in mind there are few inventions that are “purely white”. Take this comment for example. It depends on the Internet and computers – “white inventions”. But it also depends on the alphabet, a Phoenician invention, and the idea of writing itself, which in the West comes from Egypt. At any point in history, most inventions will come from one part of the world because it is the most advanced at that particular time. So while most important inventions of the past few hundred years were made by white people, that is only because they have been on top during that time frame.

    The Egyptians and the Chinese had a far longer reign compared to Europeans when it came to technological advancements.

    • Replies: @Nachum
    @Corvinus

    The Egyptians and Middle Easterners were caucasians. Indians, pretty much too. Gunpowder and type were invented independently of the Chinese.

    , @Roger
    @Corvinus


    So while most important inventions of the past few hundred years were made by white people, that is only because they have been on top during that time frame.
     
    You are reversing cause and effect.

    The Egyptians and the Chinese had a far longer reign compared to Europeans when it came to technological advancements.
     
    The Ancient Egyptians and Chinese were indeed great advancements over their Stone Age predecessors.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @JMcG
    @Corvinus

    The technological advancement I’d most like to see is an Ignore Commenter button that works permanently.

  189. @The Wild Geese Howard
    Semi-OT:

    Yet another chance to put iSteve's Law of Mass Shootings to the test:

    8 dead in shooting at rail yard serving Silicon Valley

    https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Official-Gunfire-erupts-at-San-Jose-railyard-16204532.php

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Gabe Ruth

    Suicide at the end is probably about as good an indication as the ratio.

  190. @noticers
    The best thing about Whiteness is being at a higher state of evolution, seeking truth, and finding a balance between living for the moment and planning ahead.

    Second best is the ability to produce an adequate amount of vitamin D far from the equator, far from Africa.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “The best thing about Whiteness is being at a higher state of evolution, seeking truth, and finding a balance between living for the moment and planning ahead.”

    Those are HUMAN traits, not “Whiteness”.

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
    @Corvinus

    Those are HUMAN traits, not “Whiteness”.

    Since there are a bunch of non-White humans actively demonizing those traits and assigning them to the dreaded "Whiteness" I have reason to doubt your statement.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  191. @silviosilver
    @RichardTaylor

    Maybe.

    Or maybe it's based on their surmise that the typical white is a far gone racial fruitcake who can't ever be expected to prefer his own race for the simple reason that it is his own race.

    Even when their behavior betrays every indication of racial self-preference - what KMac terms 'implicit whiteness' - getting the typical white to admit it is like pulling teeth.

    And worse, even among whites who admit to preferring their own - and there are more than a few - those willing to commit politically to the notion are few and far between.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    The typical White is not a “fruitcake.”

    He’s merely afraid of losing his job.

    If America’s ruling class was still Anglo-Saxon, nearly 0% of Whites would be condemning their race for anything.

    Whites aren’t especially introspective or self-critical. They are, however, well aware of the consequences associated with being politically incorrect. They know that one “wrong” word/action could result in them losing everything and falling out of the middle class quickly.

    Most Whites live comfortable lives that involve nice cars, large homes, big-screen TVs, taking vacations, eating out, etc. Yet they all live on thin ice, with the potential to lose it all with one “wrong word.”

    No one wants to be the next George Zimmerman or George Chauvin.

    Simple as that.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @JohnnyWalker123


    Most Whites live comfortable lives that involve nice cars, large homes, big-screen TVs, taking vacations, eating out, etc. Yet they all live on thin ice, with the potential to lose it all with one “wrong word.”
     
    Well said, but I think even most members of what Joel Kotkin calls "the clerisy" are afraid too. They know the whole ruling class is corrupt but no one know what to do and everyone is just holding on for dear life.
  192. @Nachum
    Yeah, I can see where what happened. Assuming- and that's assuming a bit- that Rufo really knows the score, his whole attack on the madness is that no one race is particularly good or bad, so he can't answer honestly.

    Honestly:

    "Yes, I am proud of [see my list below]."

    In a world a bit more ideal than ours:

    "Mr. Hill, you're not a professional musician, actor, athlete, civil rights leader, or scientist. As a black man, are you proud of Kanye, Denzel, LeBron, Martin Luther King, or Charles Drew? You are? OK. So assuming- just assuming- that that's OK, then as a white person, I'm proud that my race was behind things you utilize and enjoy every single day. Western religion, western civilization, democracy, every single scientific advance out there, every single medical discovery out there, every single invention out there, the Enlightenment, morals, ethics, philosophy, human rights, the end of slavery, the rights of minorities, the rights of women, the American Revolution, the founding of this country, the Civil War, beating the Nazis...need I go on? I'll put that against the NBA and rap music any day."

    Replies: @Nachum, @silviosilver

    Of course, basketball and the NBA were invented by white guys. Rap music, pretty much the same.

  193. bruce county says:

    What I like about being white

    I don’t dream about black people. 🤣

  194. @Corvinus
    @Steve Sailer

    Of course, “white inventions” or “western science”, while noteworthy in their original ideas and innovations, owe much to gunpowder, paper, the compass, and movable type (Chinese), to the number 0 (India), and to the idea of a rule-based, law-giving universal Creator (Middle East).

    The rise of white people to jackbooting status, I mean bearers of civilization, was built on these discoveries.

    Keep in mind there are few inventions that are “purely white". Take this comment for example. It depends on the Internet and computers – “white inventions”. But it also depends on the alphabet, a Phoenician invention, and the idea of writing itself, which in the West comes from Egypt. At any point in history, most inventions will come from one part of the world because it is the most advanced at that particular time. So while most important inventions of the past few hundred years were made by white people, that is only because they have been on top during that time frame.

    The Egyptians and the Chinese had a far longer reign compared to Europeans when it came to technological advancements.

    Replies: @Nachum, @Roger, @JMcG

    The Egyptians and Middle Easterners were caucasians. Indians, pretty much too. Gunpowder and type were invented independently of the Chinese.

  195. @Corvinus
    @noticers

    "The best thing about Whiteness is being at a higher state of evolution, seeking truth, and finding a balance between living for the moment and planning ahead."

    Those are HUMAN traits, not "Whiteness".

    Replies: @Cloudbuster

    Those are HUMAN traits, not “Whiteness”.

    Since there are a bunch of non-White humans actively demonizing those traits and assigning them to the dreaded “Whiteness” I have reason to doubt your statement.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Cloudbuster

    “Since there are a bunch of non-White humans actively demonizing those traits...”

    According to Who/Whom?

    “and assigning them to the dreaded “Whiteness” I have reason to doubt your statement.“

    Lol, so you employ a false premise to support the ridiculous statement made by noticers. Classic.

    Try again.

  196. @Jonathan Mason
    @Bragadocious


    This is why when tradcons bemoan the “Pakistani” rape gangs in the UK, I laugh. These are English rape gangs being run by Englishmen.
     
    Totally agree. 50 years ago in England there were taxi drivers pimping underage prostitutes in Liverpool and they mostly had names like O'Shaughnessy not Shah or Sharif.

    Replies: @anon, @Bragadocious, @syonredux

    50 years ago in England there were taxi drivers pimping underage prostitutes in Liverpool and they mostly had names like O’Shaughnessy not Shah or Sharif.

    Why were you patronizing Liverpool prostitutes in 1971?

    • LOL: JohnnyWalker123
    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @anon


    Why were you patronizing Liverpool prostitutes in 1971?
     
    I think you misread what I wrote, but anyway, at that time when I shared an upstairs apartment with two social workers in Faulkner Square, Liverpool 8, a short walk from the university where I was a student, and we had a taxi driver living in the basement apartment.

    Here is a picture of the same building, in more recent times. It used to be a great deal more scruffy, and we had to buy bags of coal and carry them upstairs to light fires for heating in winter.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47/Falkner_Square%2C_Liverpool_%281%29.JPG

    Pictures of how it was in the early 70s can be seen here:

    https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/405675878905519936/

    Replies: @anon, @JohnnyWalker123

  197. @Richard B
    @John Cunningham


    And don’t forget the wheel. Africans never figured out the wheel.
     
    True. Same with the American Indians, north and south.

    In fact, Africans never really got around to fire either.

    Though, being so close to the sun they probably thought, What's the point?

    But, it's more likely that they never thought about it at all.

    Replies: @Veracitor

    In fact, Africans never really got around to fire either.

    Oh, don’t be silly.

    https://www.thoughtco.com/african-iron-age-169432

    https://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/iron/hd_iron.htm (this one has interesting descriptions of superstitions and nonsense attached to iron and its production in West Africa.)

  198. @West reanimator
    Sobran was full of it. Since when have blacks ever demonstrated embaressment or low self-esteem? On the contrary it is Whites who are acting that way. blacks are the Dunning-Kruger race, they think dey was kangs and we stole all dey inventions, and some Whites believe this as well. The "talented tenth", who have IQs comparable to the average White person, do not demonstrate any less hostility towards Whites, and there is no reason to believe that "uplifting" blacks will make them suddenly feel warmer feelings towards us.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    Since when have blacks ever demonstrated embaressment or low self-esteem?

    You need to get out more.

    They don’t necessarily shout it from the rooftops, but more than a few blacks are willing to recognize the faults in their race. Other blacks – the majority, to be sure – denounce this as “black negativity.”

  199. @Nachum
    Yeah, I can see where what happened. Assuming- and that's assuming a bit- that Rufo really knows the score, his whole attack on the madness is that no one race is particularly good or bad, so he can't answer honestly.

    Honestly:

    "Yes, I am proud of [see my list below]."

    In a world a bit more ideal than ours:

    "Mr. Hill, you're not a professional musician, actor, athlete, civil rights leader, or scientist. As a black man, are you proud of Kanye, Denzel, LeBron, Martin Luther King, or Charles Drew? You are? OK. So assuming- just assuming- that that's OK, then as a white person, I'm proud that my race was behind things you utilize and enjoy every single day. Western religion, western civilization, democracy, every single scientific advance out there, every single medical discovery out there, every single invention out there, the Enlightenment, morals, ethics, philosophy, human rights, the end of slavery, the rights of minorities, the rights of women, the American Revolution, the founding of this country, the Civil War, beating the Nazis...need I go on? I'll put that against the NBA and rap music any day."

    Replies: @Nachum, @silviosilver

    Argh. Listen here, silly autist, the point is not to “win” some pointless debate. The point is to convince other whites to take the pro-white side. That is infinitely more important.

    Demonstrating that whites are more accomplished than blacks is like taking candy from a baby. It’s not going to convince whites of anything except that you really are the kind of “supremacist” ogre that the media constantly warns them about.

    • Replies: @Nachum
    @silviosilver

    That's why I said a *bit* more ideal than ours. In an ideal world, he'd be able to be honest.

  200. The correct answer was “race baiting”

    An upped ante on the correct answer might have been “before the racism of CRT came into fashion everyone would have recognized your racist question as race baiting”

    • Replies: @photondancer
    @SimplePseudonymicHandle

    I like that. It makes the point unmistakably clear while preserving the fiction that they're 2 civilised academics having a civil discussion. Many people of this class still prize that fiction (unfortunately they tend to be the older ones who will soon retire, leaving the field to the hysterics and troublemakers).

    I didn't watch the video so I don't know if Hill was baiting Rufo all the way through, in which case the question merits a sharper response, but if this question was sprung on him then your response is good.

  201. Roger says: • Website
    @Corvinus
    @Steve Sailer

    Of course, “white inventions” or “western science”, while noteworthy in their original ideas and innovations, owe much to gunpowder, paper, the compass, and movable type (Chinese), to the number 0 (India), and to the idea of a rule-based, law-giving universal Creator (Middle East).

    The rise of white people to jackbooting status, I mean bearers of civilization, was built on these discoveries.

    Keep in mind there are few inventions that are “purely white". Take this comment for example. It depends on the Internet and computers – “white inventions”. But it also depends on the alphabet, a Phoenician invention, and the idea of writing itself, which in the West comes from Egypt. At any point in history, most inventions will come from one part of the world because it is the most advanced at that particular time. So while most important inventions of the past few hundred years were made by white people, that is only because they have been on top during that time frame.

    The Egyptians and the Chinese had a far longer reign compared to Europeans when it came to technological advancements.

    Replies: @Nachum, @Roger, @JMcG

    So while most important inventions of the past few hundred years were made by white people, that is only because they have been on top during that time frame.

    You are reversing cause and effect.

    The Egyptians and the Chinese had a far longer reign compared to Europeans when it came to technological advancements.

    The Ancient Egyptians and Chinese were indeed great advancements over their Stone Age predecessors.

    • Agree: photondancer
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Roger

    “You are reversing cause and effect.“

    Please offer an explanation.

    “The Ancient Egyptians and Chinese were indeed great advancements over their Stone Age predecessors.”

    As were Europeans, or any other group. The fact remains their contributions helped to set up European exploits.

    Replies: @Roger

  202. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Dave Pinsen

    Still a midwit take.

    If you feel pride, you feel pride. Be honest with yourself about it. If you don't feel pride, be honest with yourself about that too.

    See where courage takes you.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Dave Pinsen

    Still a midwit take.

    If you feel pride, you feel pride. Be honest with yourself about it. If you don’t feel pride, be honest with yourself about that too

    What exactly is midwit about it?

    Pride and group cohesion are directly connected to policy and culture.

    If you don’t believe that group accomplishments mean anything then you are more likely to believe that open borders to the third world is a good idea. History suggests that this just turns your country into the third world. Egalitarians *want to believe* otherwise but history is rather consistent here. So the impacts go well beyond self-esteem or identity.

    But more importantly I’ve seen “Black Pride” PSAs on television where they celebrate 3/4 White inventors as Black. Is that midwit?

    What if White people had “White pride” PSAs where they celebrate 3/4 Black athletes as White?

    If anything is midwit it is going along with this giant circus of denying racial differences that requires absurd levels of anti-intellectualism (while pretending it is all intelligent). If leftists were actually as smart as they imagine themselves then they would focus on the proletariat and end this futile war against nature. Even if they succeed in getting rid of US Whites that would still leave their new Brazil 2.0 in the shadow of Asian countries. Asians have seen the results of egalitarian madness and will not be signing up.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @John Johnson

    The whole idea of deciding what you will feel, because of some abstract nonsense you have concocted, for the sake of your ego stroking itself, is midwit.

    Your comment has nothing to do with the one that I wrote, which you believe you were replying to.

  203. @Cloudbuster
    @Corvinus

    Those are HUMAN traits, not “Whiteness”.

    Since there are a bunch of non-White humans actively demonizing those traits and assigning them to the dreaded "Whiteness" I have reason to doubt your statement.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Since there are a bunch of non-White humans actively demonizing those traits…”

    According to Who/Whom?

    “and assigning them to the dreaded “Whiteness” I have reason to doubt your statement.“

    Lol, so you employ a false premise to support the ridiculous statement made by noticers. Classic.

    Try again.

  204. @Roger
    @Corvinus


    So while most important inventions of the past few hundred years were made by white people, that is only because they have been on top during that time frame.
     
    You are reversing cause and effect.

    The Egyptians and the Chinese had a far longer reign compared to Europeans when it came to technological advancements.
     
    The Ancient Egyptians and Chinese were indeed great advancements over their Stone Age predecessors.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “You are reversing cause and effect.“

    Please offer an explanation.

    “The Ancient Egyptians and Chinese were indeed great advancements over their Stone Age predecessors.”

    As were Europeans, or any other group. The fact remains their contributions helped to set up European exploits.

    • Replies: @Roger
    @Corvinus

    White people have accomplished many great things in the last millennium, including inventing the products that make modern civilization possible. That is what put Whites "on top", as you say.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  205. @Cloudbuster
    @anon

    What a typical White cuck explanation.

    You are basically saying that the "trap" is refusing to kneel.

    By kneeling, by saying "there's nothing special about being White" to a member of a race that ostentatiously promotes "black pride" you are simply saying, "Yes, massah, I like it here in this cage!"

    If every White would simply be as willing to express pride in being White every day as readily as other races express their racial pride, this war against Whites would be over in a day.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    We do express pride as whites. Just not in the ways you prefer. That is our liberty in action.

  206. Well, what I like about being white is that I don’t have to like other whites by default.

    They are not my brothers nor my clan members, and in fact, in my, until recently, very white part of the world, we have been killing each other for millennia.

    To put it in other words I’d rather drink rat poison than celebrate a white George Floyd.

    • Agree: gandydancer
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Temple

    Well, what I like about being white is that I don’t have to like other whites by default.

    You aren't compelled to do that under any circumstances. Celebrating George Floyd is something people chose to do. It's the choice that discredits them.

  207. @John Johnson
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Still a midwit take.

    If you feel pride, you feel pride. Be honest with yourself about it. If you don’t feel pride, be honest with yourself about that too

    What exactly is midwit about it?

    Pride and group cohesion are directly connected to policy and culture.

    If you don't believe that group accomplishments mean anything then you are more likely to believe that open borders to the third world is a good idea. History suggests that this just turns your country into the third world. Egalitarians *want to believe* otherwise but history is rather consistent here. So the impacts go well beyond self-esteem or identity.

    But more importantly I've seen "Black Pride" PSAs on television where they celebrate 3/4 White inventors as Black. Is that midwit?

    What if White people had "White pride" PSAs where they celebrate 3/4 Black athletes as White?

    If anything is midwit it is going along with this giant circus of denying racial differences that requires absurd levels of anti-intellectualism (while pretending it is all intelligent). If leftists were actually as smart as they imagine themselves then they would focus on the proletariat and end this futile war against nature. Even if they succeed in getting rid of US Whites that would still leave their new Brazil 2.0 in the shadow of Asian countries. Asians have seen the results of egalitarian madness and will not be signing up.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    The whole idea of deciding what you will feel, because of some abstract nonsense you have concocted, for the sake of your ego stroking itself, is midwit.

    Your comment has nothing to do with the one that I wrote, which you believe you were replying to.

  208. @Jonathan Mason
    @Bragadocious


    This is why when tradcons bemoan the “Pakistani” rape gangs in the UK, I laugh. These are English rape gangs being run by Englishmen.
     
    Totally agree. 50 years ago in England there were taxi drivers pimping underage prostitutes in Liverpool and they mostly had names like O'Shaughnessy not Shah or Sharif.

    Replies: @anon, @Bragadocious, @syonredux

    LOL more accurately your sex traffickers and pedos had names like Mountbatten and Savile.

    • Agree: JMcG
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Bragadocious

    Since when was Louis Mountbatten a sex trafficker?

  209. @John Johnson
    @Colin Wright

    That’s optimistic. Even what little there is in the way of ‘black’ achievement is usually due to mulattoes, quadroons, and octoroons.

    Very few know that Frederick Douglas was actually a mulatto and at the time egalitarians used him as proof that Africans are actually Europeans underneath.

    Real convincing stuff.

    My favorite mulattoes are the ones that hate Whites. Look at Malcom X or Farrakhan. Yea some real pure bred Bantu there. Might as well punch yourself in the face if you hate Whites that much.

    Replies: @William Badwhite, @AceDeuce

    My favorite mulattoes are the ones that hate Whites. Look at Malcom X or Farrakhan.

    Or Barry Soetero, or that QB Colin Kaperdink.

  210. @JohnnyWalker123
    @silviosilver

    The typical White is not a "fruitcake."

    He's merely afraid of losing his job.

    If America's ruling class was still Anglo-Saxon, nearly 0% of Whites would be condemning their race for anything.

    Whites aren't especially introspective or self-critical. They are, however, well aware of the consequences associated with being politically incorrect. They know that one "wrong" word/action could result in them losing everything and falling out of the middle class quickly.

    Most Whites live comfortable lives that involve nice cars, large homes, big-screen TVs, taking vacations, eating out, etc. Yet they all live on thin ice, with the potential to lose it all with one "wrong word."

    No one wants to be the next George Zimmerman or George Chauvin.

    Simple as that.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Most Whites live comfortable lives that involve nice cars, large homes, big-screen TVs, taking vacations, eating out, etc. Yet they all live on thin ice, with the potential to lose it all with one “wrong word.”

    Well said, but I think even most members of what Joel Kotkin calls “the clerisy” are afraid too. They know the whole ruling class is corrupt but no one know what to do and everyone is just holding on for dear life.

    • Agree: JohnnyWalker123
  211. @anon
    @Jonathan Mason

    50 years ago in England there were taxi drivers pimping underage prostitutes in Liverpool and they mostly had names like O’Shaughnessy not Shah or Sharif.

    Why were you patronizing Liverpool prostitutes in 1971?

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    Why were you patronizing Liverpool prostitutes in 1971?

    I think you misread what I wrote, but anyway, at that time when I shared an upstairs apartment with two social workers in Faulkner Square, Liverpool 8, a short walk from the university where I was a student, and we had a taxi driver living in the basement apartment.

    Here is a picture of the same building, in more recent times. It used to be a great deal more scruffy, and we had to buy bags of coal and carry them upstairs to light fires for heating in winter.

    Pictures of how it was in the early 70s can be seen here:

    https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/405675878905519936/

    • Replies: @anon
    @Jonathan Mason

    ...and we had a taxi driver living in the basement apartment.

    Ok. So why were you patronizing Liverpool prostitutes in your apartment in 1971?

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @Jonathan Mason

    Are there still Irish gangs in the UK?

  212. @James Speaks
    I like it when a negro tells me I have white vantage and I tell him "But I'm not white." (True according to the narrow definition of white common in the Southern Baptist small-minded town I grew up in. *)

    The inevitable response, "But. You. Look. White."

    *The covert discrimination was pervasive. I think my classification was not quite white. Good enough to be in the white classroom but not to invite to parties. The irony is that I thought the same way about them b/c a couple of s.d. below me and ... their animal-tribal mindset was offputting.

    Replies: @Jon, @Inquiring Mind

    I say that going forward, the physiogeny of the late Mr. George Floyd should be the standard of who is Black and who is not. I call it the new one-drop rule for whiteness. No more of this “passing as black.”

    Including the interviewer asking the pointed questions.

    Turn it around. “I don’t know what I like about being white. Tell me, kind sir, what do you enjoy about being white?”

  213. Oh, the joys of Clown World!

    How did I know that Mr. Rufo’s refusal to center his identity around his skin color would trigger an accusation of “white privilege.”

    Mr. Hill’s question is clearly an attempt at a “gotcha!” If Rufo were to say, “I like X about being white,” he would open himself up to being labeled a racist, white nationalist or some other scarlet letter term. But if he refuses to indulge in racial pride, he is accused of having “white privilege” which he must atone for. It’s an obvious attempt at placing Rufo in a double bind.

    On top of that, you have a bizarro world inversion regarding the term “privilege.” Imagine thinking that lacking racial pride is a mark of “privilege” while being proud of your race makes you disadvantaged. “I’ve been oppressed into liking myself” doesn’t seem to make a lot of sense to me.

    Even the way Mr. Hill characterizes the discussion that led up to the part shown in the clip is bizarre.

    He stated that Whiteness was always only painted as negative, so I asked him to offer something different.

    Translation: justify why you shouldn’t be painted as negative.

    I’m starting to think these people might want to kill us.

  214. @International Jew
    @Jonathan Mason


    black and white Americans have a lot more in common with each other
     
    True of over 60s, because growing up without cable TV we had to watch the same TV shows.

    Under-30s have nothing in common except maybe being raised in broken families.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    black and white Americans have a lot more in common with each other

    True of over 60s, because growing up without cable TV we had to watch the same TV shows.

    Under-30s have nothing in common except maybe being raised in broken families.

    Well, at least you admit that TV is mainly about indoctrination, and the primary message of TV is that you need to patriotically buy the products that are advertised prolifically on TV and endorsed by your favorite actors.

    Hard for me to speak to the under 30’s in the US, but consider that both black and white Americans of different ages like to buy basic industrial chemicals such as whiskey, vodka, and rum–which all taste a bit like gasoline–in fancy bottles with fancy labels for fancy prices, and then mix the contents with fruit juices or sodas and drink the contents to as to numb the pain of living.

    Both Black and White Americans in large numbers enjoy also enjoy marijuana and cocaine and since marijuana was formerly illegal and enjoyed by black entertainers like Louis Armstrong and Bob Marley, now there is a whole nexus of laws that allow ‘therapeutic’ marijuana that have biracial support since there are so many Black and White Americans whose survival and fitness depends on this substance.

    As Darwin pointed out, monkeys also like to drink alcohol and smoke, but only humans have evolved to the point of marking different brands of alcohol as a status symbol.

    Or both races like to buy overpriced clothing with “designer” labels for multiples of their true value, or overpriced cheap footwear, because these items are believed to confer higher status on the wearer rather like certain bird feathers and animal skins confer higher status on tribal members.

    In these TV commercials a well-known TV star promotes a substance that is commonly mixed with rum.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Jonathan Mason

    Hard for me to speak to the under 30’s in the US, but consider that both black and white Americans of different ages like to buy basic industrial chemicals such as whiskey, vodka, and rum–which all taste a bit like gasoline–in fancy bottles with fancy labels for fancy prices
    ...
    Or both races like to buy overpriced clothing with “designer” labels for multiples of their true value, or overpriced cheap footwear, because these items are believed to confer higher status


    You know nothing about Americans so quit trying to comment on them.

    Beer is the most popular alcoholic drink and the top selling liquor is Jack Daniels whiskey which is not fancy nor expensive.

    Most Americans do not buying clothing for the label. The #1 retailer is Walmart.

    Stop watching TV and try visiting America.

    Spend time in a Black area and a lot of TV will look like Sci-Fi fantasy.

    , @James Forrestal
    @Jonathan Mason


    Well, at least you admit that TV is mainly about indoctrination, and the primary message of TV is that you need to "patriotically" buy the products that are advertised prolifically on TV and endorsed by your favorite actors.
     
    While that may be one message, it's hardly the only -- or even the primary -- goal of hyperreality.

    Did Gillette sell a lot of razors with those ads promoting transsexualism? How about their notorious "Men are Evil" ads?

    Much of the apparent agenda of mass visual media seems to be unrelated to the corporate bottom line; fanatically promoting cultural degeneracy in ways that are at best tangential -- and frequently counterproductive -- in purely financial terms. As one famous artist put it:

    https://i.postimg.cc/65VtS1Bf/Sell-More-Burgers-Stonetoss2.png

    The "Leader of the Free World" doesn't seem to be in much doubt that mass visual media is used to promote a specific cultural agenda that is entirely unrelated to profit -- or who to "thank" for that indoctrination:

    Biden: Jewish leaders drove gay "marriage" changes

    Biden said culture and arts changed people's attitudes. He cited social media and the old NBC TV series "Will and Grace" as examples of what helped changed attitudes on gay "marriage."

    Biden said, "Think – behind of all that, I bet you 85% of those changes, whether it's in Hollywood or social media, are a consequence of Jewish leaders in the industry."

    Also:

    >TV = "patriotic"

    >TV = rootless cosmopolitanism

    Kinda hard for both to be true simultaneously, hmm?
  215. @Jonathan Mason
    @anon


    Why were you patronizing Liverpool prostitutes in 1971?
     
    I think you misread what I wrote, but anyway, at that time when I shared an upstairs apartment with two social workers in Faulkner Square, Liverpool 8, a short walk from the university where I was a student, and we had a taxi driver living in the basement apartment.

    Here is a picture of the same building, in more recent times. It used to be a great deal more scruffy, and we had to buy bags of coal and carry them upstairs to light fires for heating in winter.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47/Falkner_Square%2C_Liverpool_%281%29.JPG

    Pictures of how it was in the early 70s can be seen here:

    https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/405675878905519936/

    Replies: @anon, @JohnnyWalker123

    …and we had a taxi driver living in the basement apartment.

    Ok. So why were you patronizing Liverpool prostitutes in your apartment in 1971?

  216. What do I hate about white people? Their lack of tribal instincts, their pathological altruism, their worship of blacks, their lack of ethnic solidarity, their terror of being called racist, in short their general pussiness and cowardice

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Paleoconn

    What do I hate about white people? Their lack of tribal instincts, their pathological altruism, their worship of blacks, their lack of ethnic solidarity, their terror of being called racist, in short their general pussiness and cowardice

    I'll add a few:

    Political/religious hypocrisy
    Class arrogance
    Lying for equality
    Resentment of ones betters
    Desire to feel unique
    Religious and political fundamentalism
    Education over intellect
    Rigid culture
    Overemphasis of feminine traits
    Nature denial
    Arrested development
    Talking for appearance

    The worst trait in Whites:
    Desire to appear intelligent, trendy or metropolitan

    I also agree with Blacks to some degree about Whites and bland foods. I don't see why so many Whites boil vegetables until they are mush and then just add a little salt. Awful.

  217. What I like about being White: Listening to Beethoven doesn’t make me feel inferior:

  218. @Jonathan Mason
    @International Jew

    black and white Americans have a lot more in common with each other


    True of over 60s, because growing up without cable TV we had to watch the same TV shows.

    Under-30s have nothing in common except maybe being raised in broken families.

     

    Well, at least you admit that TV is mainly about indoctrination, and the primary message of TV is that you need to patriotically buy the products that are advertised prolifically on TV and endorsed by your favorite actors.

    Hard for me to speak to the under 30's in the US, but consider that both black and white Americans of different ages like to buy basic industrial chemicals such as whiskey, vodka, and rum--which all taste a bit like gasoline--in fancy bottles with fancy labels for fancy prices, and then mix the contents with fruit juices or sodas and drink the contents to as to numb the pain of living.

    Both Black and White Americans in large numbers enjoy also enjoy marijuana and cocaine and since marijuana was formerly illegal and enjoyed by black entertainers like Louis Armstrong and Bob Marley, now there is a whole nexus of laws that allow 'therapeutic' marijuana that have biracial support since there are so many Black and White Americans whose survival and fitness depends on this substance.

    As Darwin pointed out, monkeys also like to drink alcohol and smoke, but only humans have evolved to the point of marking different brands of alcohol as a status symbol.

    Or both races like to buy overpriced clothing with "designer" labels for multiples of their true value, or overpriced cheap footwear, because these items are believed to confer higher status on the wearer rather like certain bird feathers and animal skins confer higher status on tribal members.

    In these TV commercials a well-known TV star promotes a substance that is commonly mixed with rum.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLK2qyL8SxY

    Replies: @John Johnson, @James Forrestal

    Hard for me to speak to the under 30’s in the US, but consider that both black and white Americans of different ages like to buy basic industrial chemicals such as whiskey, vodka, and rum–which all taste a bit like gasoline–in fancy bottles with fancy labels for fancy prices

    Or both races like to buy overpriced clothing with “designer” labels for multiples of their true value, or overpriced cheap footwear, because these items are believed to confer higher status

    You know nothing about Americans so quit trying to comment on them.

    Beer is the most popular alcoholic drink and the top selling liquor is Jack Daniels whiskey which is not fancy nor expensive.

    Most Americans do not buying clothing for the label. The #1 retailer is Walmart.

    Stop watching TV and try visiting America.

    Spend time in a Black area and a lot of TV will look like Sci-Fi fantasy.

  219. Blacks have somewhat narrowed the creativity gap and have some potential to narrow the competence gap if they make the effort.

    Have they? What is the Black equivalent to Beowulf? A Tyler Perry movie?

    The gap that exists is worse than everyone realizes. Whites would be farther ahead if they weren’t burdened with the sins of the world from birth. Both liberals and Christians believe in loading kids with guilt and self-loathing. You would never see Asians telling their children that they cause inequality and must constantly atone for their sinful existence.

    Christians teach their kids that Israel God will get pissed if you question Creationism or the sanctity of Jewish rules for shellfish eating or managing oxen.

    Liberals teach children in schools that race doesn’t exist and Whites simply conspired and killed for their place on earth. San bushmen could be building spaceships if not for evil Whites.

    It’s extremely unhealthy to push all of this on children. I’m amazed that Asians aren’t farther ahead.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @John Johnson


    Have they? What is the Black equivalent to Beowulf? A Tyler Perry movie?
     
    Beowulf? For the life of me, I'll never understand what people see in it. I find the Bible dreadfully boring crud, but I'd rather read that than Beowulf any day.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @anon
    @John Johnson

    Christians teach their kids that Israel God will get pissed if you question Creationism or the sanctity of Jewish rules for shellfish eating or managing oxen.

    Nah.

    Martians don't do that either. You know nothing about Christians or Martians.

    lol

  220. @Jonathan Mason
    @Bragadocious


    This is why when tradcons bemoan the “Pakistani” rape gangs in the UK, I laugh. These are English rape gangs being run by Englishmen.
     
    Totally agree. 50 years ago in England there were taxi drivers pimping underage prostitutes in Liverpool and they mostly had names like O'Shaughnessy not Shah or Sharif.

    Replies: @anon, @Bragadocious, @syonredux

    It’s all about showing the proper respect….

  221. @Corvinus
    @Steve Sailer

    Of course, “white inventions” or “western science”, while noteworthy in their original ideas and innovations, owe much to gunpowder, paper, the compass, and movable type (Chinese), to the number 0 (India), and to the idea of a rule-based, law-giving universal Creator (Middle East).

    The rise of white people to jackbooting status, I mean bearers of civilization, was built on these discoveries.

    Keep in mind there are few inventions that are “purely white". Take this comment for example. It depends on the Internet and computers – “white inventions”. But it also depends on the alphabet, a Phoenician invention, and the idea of writing itself, which in the West comes from Egypt. At any point in history, most inventions will come from one part of the world because it is the most advanced at that particular time. So while most important inventions of the past few hundred years were made by white people, that is only because they have been on top during that time frame.

    The Egyptians and the Chinese had a far longer reign compared to Europeans when it came to technological advancements.

    Replies: @Nachum, @Roger, @JMcG

    The technological advancement I’d most like to see is an Ignore Commenter button that works permanently.

  222. @Jonathan Mason
    White isn't a race because there are several races that are white.

    You can't say that Russians, Poles, blonde Swedes, Italians, swarthy Spaniards and red-headed Irishman are all the same race just because some of them come to America and learn to speak English.

    From the point of view of somebody who was not born in the United States, it seems to me that black and white Americans have a lot more in common with each other than with other races, but they enjoy engaging in an uncivil war with each other.

    For example both black and white Americans are strongly into fundamentalist-type religion that hardly exists in most developed Nations. And they all love sports that only Americans play.

    If you had to point to some of the achievements of the supposedly white race, I guess you could mention the transition from the Stone age to the bronze and iron ages, the Roman Empire, Christianity, the Renaissance, sailing ships, cartography, the chronometer, the Industrial revolution, Evolution, scientific medicine, science in general, aviation, automobiles, architecture, literature, theater, movies, TV, classical music, computers, organized sports, universities, and the Internet, but otherwise we have very little to boast about compared to the achievements of other races such as building pyramids, and inventing porcelain, boomerangs, chopsticks, and hip-hop music.

    Replies: @Alfa158, @John Johnson, @Bragadocious, @gandydancer, @International Jew, @syonredux, @Alden

    White isn’t a race because there are several races that are white.

    You can’t say that Russians, Poles, blonde Swedes, Italians, swarthy Spaniards and red-headed Irishman are all the same race just because some of them come to America and learn to speak English.

    Lumper vs splitter, dear fellow. Once you are in the USA, the differences separating an Italian

    from a German

    look rather insignificant when compared to the yawning gulf dividing the European from the Black African

    From the point of view of somebody who was not born in the United States, it seems to me that black and white Americans have a lot more in common with each other than with other races,

    Actually, Black Brits have more in common with White Brits than Black Americans do with White Americans. Black Americans have their own literature, their own music, and their own accent. The last is quite salient. Americans can tell if someone is Black purely via vocal cues. When I was in grade school in CA, the White, E. Asian, and Latinx kids all spoke with the same General American accent, but the Blacks all had AAVE accents.

  223. @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco
    @anonymouseperson

    The Blacks born in America hate whites more than the immigrants from Africa and Latin America. The most hateful Blacks are the American mulattos. They seem to have the most resentment yet benefit the most from affirmative action.

    A big reason Blacks despise whites is due to our media and schools which tell them that all their problems are due to white racism. Mulattos profit the most from this propaganda , thus they actively promote the anti-white agenda.

    Most American Blacks are ignorant of history and actually believe Blacks helped build America. They also believe Blacks built the pyramids and had advanced civilizations in Africa before the arrival of the evil white man. American Blacks are clueless about other nations and have no understanding of African history. They do not hate us for discovering calculus or going to the moon. They hate us because they believe they should have been astronauts going to the moon , but our racism kept blacks from becoming astronauts. They actually believe this crap. This is what we teach them in school and this is what our TV and films show them to be true.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    The most hateful Blacks are the American mulattos. They seem to have the most resentment yet benefit the most from affirmative action.

    I think a lot of them are just bitter over reality and suffer from cognitive dissonance.

    They are around both Blacks and Whites from a younger age so they have a harder time deluding themselves through isolation.

  224. @Corvinus
    @Roger

    “You are reversing cause and effect.“

    Please offer an explanation.

    “The Ancient Egyptians and Chinese were indeed great advancements over their Stone Age predecessors.”

    As were Europeans, or any other group. The fact remains their contributions helped to set up European exploits.

    Replies: @Roger

    White people have accomplished many great things in the last millennium, including inventing the products that make modern civilization possible. That is what put Whites “on top”, as you say.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Roger

    [Different groups of people] have accomplished many great things in the last millennium, including inventing the products that make modern civilization possible.

    "That is what put Whites “on top”, as you say."

    No, it has put specific groups "on top", whether it be American, or Japanese, or German, or...

  225. I’m thankful and proud to be a miniscule part of White Christian Civilization.

    Our people LITERALLY transformed the world.

    Even the bad shit we did was “great”.

    Go big, or go home.

    The music ain’t bad either.

    https://i1.wp.com/historyreviewed.best/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/excellent-white-supremacy-joseph-sobran.jpeg?resize=720%2C582

  226. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Dave Pinsen

    Still a midwit take.

    If you feel pride, you feel pride. Be honest with yourself about it. If you don't feel pride, be honest with yourself about that too.

    See where courage takes you.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Dave Pinsen

    It’s a common sight to see a boxer or MMA fighter hold up his country’s flag after a victory: he’s not foolish to do that, and neither are his countrymen for cheering his victory. He’s one of them, and he’s their champion. This a reciprocity that goes back to Ancient Greece.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Dave Pinsen

    What does your response have to do with mine?

    It is midwit to argue whether feeling pride is appropriate or not. Either the individual feels it, or they don't.

    Morality, individual pragmatism, history, social good, they are, at best, explanations for why the person feels pride or not.

    If those explanations cause us to deceive ourselves over how we feel, then those explanations are a problem.

    "Should you feel pride" is irrelevant - and the first step towards a lie. "Do you feel pride", is what matters.

    Sorry, not sorry, but your whole perspective is midwit...

    Replies: @silviosilver

  227. @Dissident
    @Reg Cæsar

    As someone else suggested to you when you made a post nearly identical to this one a while back, isn't it rather petty and even cruel? To gratuitously mock an unfortunate individual, a mere kid no less, for a complete accident of birth?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Dissident

    The • Thanks that appears from me to my own comment above was added in error. It was meant for Reg’s reply to me.

    Lest anyone had wondered whether I might have been offering an illustration of some of the recent descriptions of schizophrenia…

    (Eccentric, odd, and more-than-likely on the Autism spectrum, yes. But schizophrenic or otherwise psychotic, I’m fairly certain I am not.)

  228. @John Johnson
    Blacks have somewhat narrowed the creativity gap and have some potential to narrow the competence gap if they make the effort.

    Have they? What is the Black equivalent to Beowulf? A Tyler Perry movie?

    The gap that exists is worse than everyone realizes. Whites would be farther ahead if they weren't burdened with the sins of the world from birth. Both liberals and Christians believe in loading kids with guilt and self-loathing. You would never see Asians telling their children that they cause inequality and must constantly atone for their sinful existence.

    Christians teach their kids that Israel God will get pissed if you question Creationism or the sanctity of Jewish rules for shellfish eating or managing oxen.

    Liberals teach children in schools that race doesn't exist and Whites simply conspired and killed for their place on earth. San bushmen could be building spaceships if not for evil Whites.

    It's extremely unhealthy to push all of this on children. I'm amazed that Asians aren't farther ahead.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @anon

    Have they? What is the Black equivalent to Beowulf? A Tyler Perry movie?

    Beowulf? For the life of me, I’ll never understand what people see in it. I find the Bible dreadfully boring crud, but I’d rather read that than Beowulf any day.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @silviosilver

    Beowulf? For the life of me, I’ll never understand what people see in it. I find the Bible dreadfully boring crud, but I’d rather read that than Beowulf any day.

    It's a historical work that gives you a sense of culture and time.

    The structure of the poem doesn't fully translate to English.

  229. @Dave Pinsen
    @Triteleia Laxa

    It’s a common sight to see a boxer or MMA fighter hold up his country’s flag after a victory: he’s not foolish to do that, and neither are his countrymen for cheering his victory. He’s one of them, and he’s their champion. This a reciprocity that goes back to Ancient Greece.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    What does your response have to do with mine?

    It is midwit to argue whether feeling pride is appropriate or not. Either the individual feels it, or they don’t.

    Morality, individual pragmatism, history, social good, they are, at best, explanations for why the person feels pride or not.

    If those explanations cause us to deceive ourselves over how we feel, then those explanations are a problem.

    Should you feel pride” is irrelevant – and the first step towards a lie. “Do you feel pride”, is what matters.

    Sorry, not sorry, but your whole perspective is midwit…

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Triteleia Laxa


    “Should you feel pride” is irrelevant – and the first step towards a lie. “Do you feel pride”, is what matters.
     
    It's not irrelevant because people are constantly asking it. And why not? The place of pride - any sort: fatherly, ethnic, sporting etc - in our lives is a question that merits some reflection.

    And if someone doesn't feel pride but you believe he should, you will have to supply him with reasons. It may shock you, but people have been known to change their minds on this.

    That said, pride feelings do tend to arise spontaneously, so there's probably some limit to how much various "talk" about them will alter them; still talk can make some difference.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  230. @al gore rhythms
    What a weak answer. It's hard to see why he's so bothered about Noel Ignatief wanting to abolish the white race when he doesn't even believe in the concept himself and can ascribe no positive value to the idea of such a thing. Isn't that the very goal that Ignatief wanted anyway?

    The interviewer really exposed him with this line of questioning.

    Replies: @anon, @jon, @AndrewR, @R.G. Camara, @Ed, @James Forrestal

    What a weak answer.

    Anon[371] responded:

    Perhaps he sees the trap embedded in the oh-so-innocent question better than you.

    Both you and anon have valid points. Perhaps little nuance would be in order here: there are two issues. One is the obvious trap that anon pointed out — “What do you like about being White?” is just a setup to try to get him to say something that could be characterized as so-called “White supreemist r****m,” which would then be immediately — and heavily — marketed by the “news” media as a “bad r****m uttered by an evil, Far Right White supreemist” and so forth. As we all know, under the prevailing principles of systemic semitism, any positive statement about indigenous Europeans and their diaspora as a collective automatically counts as a White supreemism. Anon is correct to note that there’s nothing to be gained under the current anti-White regime by giving a “Whitey is GREAT!” response [and no, a Black interviewer saying good things about Blacks doesn’t mean that Rufo gets a free pass to do the same with respect to Whites. That’s not how the system works.]

    But the other issue is the intrinsic validity [or absence thereof] of White identity. And that’s where Rufo’s answer is weak. By going with a response that amounts to “I’m just another atomized individual, I have zero group identity because any form of group identity for indigenous Europeans [other than consumerist subcultures] is BAD — and besides, race is ‘just a social [Rufo says ‘metaphysical’] construct’…”, he’s reinforcing one of the critical underlying assumptions of the hegemonic anti-White narrative in a way that is… not helpful.

    Rufo’s response fits right into the preformatted anti-White dialectic. The critical importance of pseudoscientific race-denialist doctrine in framing this “debate” is evident in the way that the interviewer is careful to repeatedly and explicitly reinforce social constructivism. Like this: “‘Whiteness* actually shouldn’t be constructed as all negative”
    Note also what the interviewer says at about 2:13, in the last few seconds of the clip — it’s the standard canard they spew at any White who tries to dodge systemic anti-White hatred by going full race-denialist/ atomized individualist in one of these struggle sessions:

    “I would argue though, that the luxur– that the ability to say ‘I don’t see race’, ‘I don’t’…” then the clip ends — but we can reasonably assume that he goes on to blabber about so-called “White privilege,” “unpacking muh ‘White fragility’ from muh ‘invisible knapsack of toxic whiteness’,” and similar long-discredited anti-White tropes.

    Any halfway competent anti-White demagogue (like this guy) has an entire preprepared, memorized shpiel on how “White race denialism is da REAL White supreemism!” They can probably do it in their sleep. The dead giveaway is that the interviewer starts that last bit by “quoting” Rufo as saying something that he never said: “I don’t see race.” That particular phrase is a characteristic feature of the standard line of anti-White pilpul on this topic.

    Better just to say something like: “They’re my people. It doesn’t matter whether I — or you — think that they’re “good” people or “bad” people. I don’t feel the need to boast about their qualities or their accomplishments or their culture — or to implicitly denigrate other peoples by doing so — it’s not really relevant. I’m just pointing out that this process of deliberate institutionalization/ systematization of a toxic, hate-filled, openly anti-White ideology like so-called “Critical Race Theory” is clearly driven by virulent, unreasoning hatred for any and all people of European descent. We need to do more to understand the origins of that hatred, and to try to mitigate it; to educate people, to raise their consciousness so that they can learn to let go of their hatred; to be at least a little bit more tolerant and understanding of the hated and feared White ‘Other’.” Or something like that.

    *Even the very word “whiteness” — as deployed in typical anti-White rhetoric — is meant to reinforce the pseudoscientific belief that the indigenous peoples of Europe are just a “made-up” group; that their identity is merely a sort of intrinsically-toxic metaphysical miasma that somehow settled on them at random, the effects of which Evil Whitey desperately “needs” to heal from. The specific language employed not only shapes the narrative; it constrains thought. The particulars of this language are not determined by some sort of accident, but by what is commonly termed “Cohencidence.”

  231. Anonymous[274] • Disclaimer says:
    @AndrewR
    @RichardTaylor

    How would that be "stabbing other white people in the back"? Do you think other groups would use that additional competence to hurt whites? Or are you committed to being in the "top race" just for its own sake?

    Let me tell you a secret: if whites were really as awesome as you imply, we wouldn't be in this mess.

    If we could somehow make blacks smarter and better behaved, the bailey explanation for CRT and other "anti-racist" dogma would be useless. When you ask anti-racists" what their goal is, they will say equality of outcomes (although they dress it up in fantastical theories about how there isn't equality of opportunity and how that's the fault of whites). So if we equalized outcomes, they would have to just admit to the motte part and say "we hate you just for existing."

    The scumbag rapper Nipsey Hussle, whom Satan mercifully brought home a couple years ago exemplified this by telling a white man on a plane (who had had the Caucasity to ask Nipsey to use headphones for his music) that he would "slap you just for slavery."

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Let me tell you a secret: if whites were really as awesome as you imply, we wouldn’t be in this mess.

    We’re in this mess specifically because of race-traitors.

    If we could somehow make blacks smarter and better behaved, the bailey explanation for CRT and other “anti-racist” dogma would be useless.

    Jews are smarter and more “well behaved“. And they created CRT. Being smart and well behaved doesn’t mean someone’s going to be your friend. In fact, they may be a more vicious enemy.

    So if we equalized outcomes, they would have to just admit to the motte part and say “we hate you just for existing.”

    Equalize outcomes! I think what you’re talking is a utopian vision. This kind of proves the point, either a person is pro-white or anti-white. You’d throw white people under the bus in a second to pursue some abstract concept in the sky.

    • Agree: 3g4me
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Anonymous

    Jews are smarter and more “well behaved“. And they created CRT.

    https://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/citation_needed.jpg?w=300

    Replies: @James Forrestal

    , @AndrewR
    @Anonymous

    You're a lying coward.

  232. @Bragadocious
    @Jonathan Mason


    black and white Americans have a lot more in common with each other than with other races, but they enjoy engaging in an uncivil war with each other.

    For example both black and white Americans are strongly into fundamentalist-type religion that hardly exists in most developed Nations. And they all love sports that only Americans play.
     
    I've often made the same observation about Englishmen who also identify as Pakistani. They love all the "empire" sports like cricket and soccer, eat the same takeout kebab and watch the same television. They're as English as John Cleese and David Beckham. This is why when tradcons bemoan the "Pakistani" rape gangs in the UK, I laugh. These are English rape gangs being run by Englishmen.

    Replies: @Gordo, @Jonathan Mason, @James Forrestal

    This is why when tradcons bemoan the Pakistani rape gangs in the UK, I laugh. These are “English” rape gangs being run by “Englishmen.”

    Let’s get a quick fact check on that long-discredited semitic canard of “Just indigenous English-on-indigenous English crime, goy!”

    Yeah that’s gonna be FALSE.

  233. @John Johnson
    Blacks have somewhat narrowed the creativity gap and have some potential to narrow the competence gap if they make the effort.

    Have they? What is the Black equivalent to Beowulf? A Tyler Perry movie?

    The gap that exists is worse than everyone realizes. Whites would be farther ahead if they weren't burdened with the sins of the world from birth. Both liberals and Christians believe in loading kids with guilt and self-loathing. You would never see Asians telling their children that they cause inequality and must constantly atone for their sinful existence.

    Christians teach their kids that Israel God will get pissed if you question Creationism or the sanctity of Jewish rules for shellfish eating or managing oxen.

    Liberals teach children in schools that race doesn't exist and Whites simply conspired and killed for their place on earth. San bushmen could be building spaceships if not for evil Whites.

    It's extremely unhealthy to push all of this on children. I'm amazed that Asians aren't farther ahead.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @anon

    Christians teach their kids that Israel God will get pissed if you question Creationism or the sanctity of Jewish rules for shellfish eating or managing oxen.

    Nah.

    Martians don’t do that either. You know nothing about Christians or Martians.

    lol

  234. @Paleoconn
    What do I hate about white people? Their lack of tribal instincts, their pathological altruism, their worship of blacks, their lack of ethnic solidarity, their terror of being called racist, in short their general pussiness and cowardice

    Replies: @John Johnson

    What do I hate about white people? Their lack of tribal instincts, their pathological altruism, their worship of blacks, their lack of ethnic solidarity, their terror of being called racist, in short their general pussiness and cowardice

    I’ll add a few:

    Political/religious hypocrisy
    Class arrogance
    Lying for equality
    Resentment of ones betters
    Desire to feel unique
    Religious and political fundamentalism
    Education over intellect
    Rigid culture
    Overemphasis of feminine traits
    Nature denial
    Arrested development
    Talking for appearance

    The worst trait in Whites:
    Desire to appear intelligent, trendy or metropolitan

    I also agree with Blacks to some degree about Whites and bland foods. I don’t see why so many Whites boil vegetables until they are mush and then just add a little salt. Awful.

  235. @ArthurinCali
    Semi OT but in the ballpark of Whiteness

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/may/25/america-racial-reckoning-simon-balto



    The Guardian’s current opinion article, “We are told America is living through a ‘racial reckoning’. Is it really?” is interesting if only in the way it holds up a mirror to the incessant projection of a belief that America needs a reckoning.

    The Oxford Dictionary has two definitions for the word reckoning:

    1. [uncountable, countable] the act of calculating something, especially in a way that is not very exact.

    2. [countable, usually singular, uncountable] a time when somebody’s actions will be judged to be right or wrong and they may be punished

    Both are revealing to what the BLM, Progressive-Leftist, and opportunist political factions truly want. In the current narrative pushed upon Heritage Americans it is not enough that unconstitutional civil rights laws were passed, or that special set-asides in government, academia and the private sector were enacted. Neither has the taxpayer funded trillions spent in the attempt to raise a group not suited for living in a western civilization.

    The author also refrains from defining in any substantial way what exactly this reckoning should look like or entail. He simply mouths platitudes and laments that support for BLM by survey and polls have dropped since last summer. Obviously, there is not a single mention of crime stats, incarceration, or the lack of meaningful contributions from this group for the country.

    His best example appears to be about the town of Wausau, Wisconsin, whose greatest sin seems to be taking offense at being labeled as a hotbed of racism and oppression. In clown world, being insulted when broadly painted as a racist community means you are hopelessly racist.

    What this article unwittingly shows is that validation and endorsement for the pseudo pain and righteous (to them) anger is what they want. To be recognized and accepted by the alleged oppressors. It truly is a cult religion in that if one is not a fanatic believer then one is a heretic.

    The renewed calls for reparations due to redlining, slavery, Jim Crow, or whatever fill-in-the-blank topic of the week boils down to the fear that as the nation’s demographics shift, more and more ethnic groups realize how useless and unnecessary a certain ethnic group is to the success of the country.

    Replies: @James Forrestal

    In clown world, being insulted when broadly painted as a r****t community means you are hopelessly r****t.

    Similar to Mr. Sailer’s usage of the term:

    In this video the white man’s refusal to boast about his race probably strikes the black man as a white r****t microaggression

    How can the growing inferno of anti-white r****t hatred abate?

    Both of you seem to be assuming that the r-word means something like “of or pertaining to the exhibition of ‘excessive’ in-group preference toward members of one’s own race.” It doesn’t, and it never did.

    “R****t” and “r****m” were always terms that were exclusively targeted at people of European descent — that’s why “explanations” of why it’s impossible to be “r****t” to Whites commonly use the term “reverse r****m”:

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%22reverse+racism%22&ia=web

    Think about it.

    They spell it out very clearly in critical race theory [the hegemonic ideology of our time on the race question]. CRT amounts to:

    1. “R****m” and “r****ts” are VERY BAD.

    2. ALL Whites are “r****t”

    3. ONLY Whites can be “r****t”

    The rest is just pilpul. So what does that mean? “R****t” is merely a pejorative term for people of European descent. It has no meaning beyond that. It is not some sort of empirically-falsifiable accusation, and the anti-Whites are. With that in mind, let’s take another look at the sentence I quoted above, but substituting a less emotionally-loaded, more direct term in place of the r-word:

    In clown world, being insulted when broadly painted as a BADWHYTE community means you are a hopeless BADWHYTE

    That’s all it means. A White man attempting to “refute” the charge of “r****m” is exactly equivalent to a Black man attempting to “refute” the charge of “n*****ism.”* It can’t be done — and you’d be foolish to try. By treating a slur as as if it were a presumptively “valid” allegation of some sort of “misconduct” or even “wrongthink,” you’re simply reinforcing their narrative frame; redundantly reifying the original ontological error.

    *A White “anti-r****t” is like a Black “anti-n*****ist.”

  236. @John Cunningham
    @interesting

    As a White man, I am proud of our centuries of philosophy, the invention of freedom and human rights, our courage in exploring the planet, and our science and technology. Things like the steam engine, electricity, antibiotics, and computers. Also antibiotics, shoes, and air conditioning. And don't forget the wheel. Africans never figured out the wheel.

    Replies: @Richard B, @Truth

    How about the Shamwow?

    • LOL: Corvinus
  237. @SimplePseudonymicHandle
    The correct answer was “race baiting”

    An upped ante on the correct answer might have been “before the racism of CRT came into fashion everyone would have recognized your racist question as race baiting”

    Replies: @photondancer

    I like that. It makes the point unmistakably clear while preserving the fiction that they’re 2 civilised academics having a civil discussion. Many people of this class still prize that fiction (unfortunately they tend to be the older ones who will soon retire, leaving the field to the hysterics and troublemakers).

    I didn’t watch the video so I don’t know if Hill was baiting Rufo all the way through, in which case the question merits a sharper response, but if this question was sprung on him then your response is good.

  238. @Jim Don Bob
    @Jim Don Bob


    Everything
     
    Banging white women, especially blondes.

    Replies: @Truth

    You’re on the wrong board, Old Sport, let me tell you as one with 12 years tenure here, it seems the majority of your contemporaries get ill when they see a white woman…

    …And those are the heteros.

  239. @jon
    @Elli


    I like White architecture, music and art
     
    As I always say, I like my music like I like my chocolate -- White!
    https://www.trionds.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/White-chocolate-1.jpg

    Replies: @Truth

    As I always say, I like my music like I like my chocolate

    Nutty and packaged?

    • Replies: @iDeplorable
    @Truth

    Truth, what do you like best about being a negro?

    I'd think it would be the luxury of lacking the self-awareness to know you're a tiresome simpleton, the iSteve equivalent of the moron in the back of the classroom with his hat on sideways, trying to make people laugh while hoping they don't notice he doesn't understand the subject matter.

    Or maybe its nobody having any expectations for you, just the knowledge that you'll always be a burden? That you can be infantile your entire life and whites will support you?

    But let's hear your answer.

    Replies: @Truth

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @Truth

    I like my coffee the same way I like my women....


    Hot, black, and picked up at 7-11.

  240. @Tiny Duck
    Timeliness? Rationality? Enlightenment? I’m white, and I’ve never seen these things floating around anywhere. Dude was just hedging so as to avoid the real answer.

    As a white person, I'm largely blissfully unaware of my whiteness because of the automatic perks that whiteness affords me in.

    Mr. Hill made it easy for him and he fumbled.

    What is dangerous about opposition to CRT was not addressing these things to begin with. What you're suggesting is that the Dominant Group can go on carrying out Laissez-faire racism, bias etc without ever having to account for it. If you do the work, this will get better, now is not the time to stop. white people whitewashed history, & glorified their conquest of humans the world over, but now refuse to even own the term dominant group even though they're the majority population in the USA. Nobody cries victim like white folks discussing CRT.

    whiteness is an idea. There is no country/ ethnicity of white. And before you say the same about “black”, we didn’t create artificial categories enforced by centuries of abusive laws & incessant societal harm. Disparate Euro ethnicities formed to mistreat to their benefit

    The same “you’re a victim crowd” are blindly following an orange whiner, and as they committed a violent insurrection over an “election fraud” lie, because they couldn’t handle him getting his dumb ass kicked. They believe his conspiracies, but don’t believe racism is real

    Replies: @Alden, @Keypusher

    ESAD and then burn in hell forever and ever amen.

  241. @Jonathan Mason
    White isn't a race because there are several races that are white.

    You can't say that Russians, Poles, blonde Swedes, Italians, swarthy Spaniards and red-headed Irishman are all the same race just because some of them come to America and learn to speak English.

    From the point of view of somebody who was not born in the United States, it seems to me that black and white Americans have a lot more in common with each other than with other races, but they enjoy engaging in an uncivil war with each other.

    For example both black and white Americans are strongly into fundamentalist-type religion that hardly exists in most developed Nations. And they all love sports that only Americans play.

    If you had to point to some of the achievements of the supposedly white race, I guess you could mention the transition from the Stone age to the bronze and iron ages, the Roman Empire, Christianity, the Renaissance, sailing ships, cartography, the chronometer, the Industrial revolution, Evolution, scientific medicine, science in general, aviation, automobiles, architecture, literature, theater, movies, TV, classical music, computers, organized sports, universities, and the Internet, but otherwise we have very little to boast about compared to the achievements of other races such as building pyramids, and inventing porcelain, boomerangs, chopsticks, and hip-hop music.

    Replies: @Alfa158, @John Johnson, @Bragadocious, @gandydancer, @International Jew, @syonredux, @Alden

    You might want to check the definitions of race, nationality and ethnic group.

  242. @Jonathan Mason
    @International Jew

    black and white Americans have a lot more in common with each other


    True of over 60s, because growing up without cable TV we had to watch the same TV shows.

    Under-30s have nothing in common except maybe being raised in broken families.

     

    Well, at least you admit that TV is mainly about indoctrination, and the primary message of TV is that you need to patriotically buy the products that are advertised prolifically on TV and endorsed by your favorite actors.

    Hard for me to speak to the under 30's in the US, but consider that both black and white Americans of different ages like to buy basic industrial chemicals such as whiskey, vodka, and rum--which all taste a bit like gasoline--in fancy bottles with fancy labels for fancy prices, and then mix the contents with fruit juices or sodas and drink the contents to as to numb the pain of living.

    Both Black and White Americans in large numbers enjoy also enjoy marijuana and cocaine and since marijuana was formerly illegal and enjoyed by black entertainers like Louis Armstrong and Bob Marley, now there is a whole nexus of laws that allow 'therapeutic' marijuana that have biracial support since there are so many Black and White Americans whose survival and fitness depends on this substance.

    As Darwin pointed out, monkeys also like to drink alcohol and smoke, but only humans have evolved to the point of marking different brands of alcohol as a status symbol.

    Or both races like to buy overpriced clothing with "designer" labels for multiples of their true value, or overpriced cheap footwear, because these items are believed to confer higher status on the wearer rather like certain bird feathers and animal skins confer higher status on tribal members.

    In these TV commercials a well-known TV star promotes a substance that is commonly mixed with rum.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLK2qyL8SxY

    Replies: @John Johnson, @James Forrestal

    Well, at least you admit that TV is mainly about indoctrination, and the primary message of TV is that you need to “patriotically” buy the products that are advertised prolifically on TV and endorsed by your favorite actors.

    While that may be one message, it’s hardly the only — or even the primary — goal of hyperreality.

    Did Gillette sell a lot of razors with those ads promoting transsexualism? How about their notorious “Men are Evil” ads?

    Much of the apparent agenda of mass visual media seems to be unrelated to the corporate bottom line; fanatically promoting cultural degeneracy in ways that are at best tangential — and frequently counterproductive — in purely financial terms. As one famous artist put it:

    The “Leader of the Free World” doesn’t seem to be in much doubt that mass visual media is used to promote a specific cultural agenda that is entirely unrelated to profit — or who to “thank” for that indoctrination:

    Biden: Jewish leaders drove gay “marriage” changes

    Biden said culture and arts changed people’s attitudes. He cited social media and the old NBC TV series “Will and Grace” as examples of what helped changed attitudes on gay “marriage.”

    Biden said, “Think – behind of all that, I bet you 85% of those changes, whether it’s in Hollywood or social media, are a consequence of Jewish leaders in the industry.”

    Also:

    >TV = “patriotic”

    >TV = rootless cosmopolitanism

    Kinda hard for both to be true simultaneously, hmm?

  243. @Tiny Duck
    Timeliness? Rationality? Enlightenment? I’m white, and I’ve never seen these things floating around anywhere. Dude was just hedging so as to avoid the real answer.

    As a white person, I'm largely blissfully unaware of my whiteness because of the automatic perks that whiteness affords me in.

    Mr. Hill made it easy for him and he fumbled.

    What is dangerous about opposition to CRT was not addressing these things to begin with. What you're suggesting is that the Dominant Group can go on carrying out Laissez-faire racism, bias etc without ever having to account for it. If you do the work, this will get better, now is not the time to stop. white people whitewashed history, & glorified their conquest of humans the world over, but now refuse to even own the term dominant group even though they're the majority population in the USA. Nobody cries victim like white folks discussing CRT.

    whiteness is an idea. There is no country/ ethnicity of white. And before you say the same about “black”, we didn’t create artificial categories enforced by centuries of abusive laws & incessant societal harm. Disparate Euro ethnicities formed to mistreat to their benefit

    The same “you’re a victim crowd” are blindly following an orange whiner, and as they committed a violent insurrection over an “election fraud” lie, because they couldn’t handle him getting his dumb ass kicked. They believe his conspiracies, but don’t believe racism is real

    Replies: @Alden, @Keypusher

    Hahaha. Tiny Duck finally writes a (fairly) coherent post in complete sentences, and THAT’s the post that gets ignored. It really is an unjust world.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Keypusher

    Anything coherent from TD is a cut and paste.

    It used to be reliable to do a google search and come up with the source. This time, nothing; not even a link to Unz. Sigh. So much has been removed from the WWW for all the various reasons. Soon enough, each search will yield a homily from the Big Red Book.

  244. @silviosilver
    @John Johnson


    Have they? What is the Black equivalent to Beowulf? A Tyler Perry movie?
     
    Beowulf? For the life of me, I'll never understand what people see in it. I find the Bible dreadfully boring crud, but I'd rather read that than Beowulf any day.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Beowulf? For the life of me, I’ll never understand what people see in it. I find the Bible dreadfully boring crud, but I’d rather read that than Beowulf any day.

    It’s a historical work that gives you a sense of culture and time.

    The structure of the poem doesn’t fully translate to English.

  245. @Corvinus
    @Steve Sailer

    "After all, what other race turns the other cheek to racial defamation so often and attempts to appeal to (white-invented) abstract ideals of universality that only whites really find convincing?"

    Exactly where you (and others) fall off the intellectual cliff on the basis of this combined strawman and false conclusion. "Abstract ideals of universality" were not invented by "whites", they were created by various ethnic and cultural groups. "Western man" refers to the designation Europeans put on themselves to distinguish themselves from other groups. Naturally by way of self-reverence and confirmation bias, anything less than their prescribed ideal falls woefully short.

    The notion of “whites” or “European-whites” being bound together came about as a result of Social Darwinism and imperialism in the late 1800’s–the distinction that separated “us” from “them”. In this manner, the “lowest-rung” whites were deemed superior in social standing than their darkie counterparts, while at the same time knew full well their “pecking order” within the European hierarchy. Speaking about "racial defamation"...

    http://science.jrank.org/pages/10962/Race-Racism-in-Europe-French-Revolution-Nation.html


    One of the first and most important thinkers of the nineteenth century to elaborate this view of society was Joseph-Arthur de Gobineau, who began publishing his L’essai sur l’inegalité des races humaines (Essay on the inequality of the human races) in 1853. Gobineau’s history presented human development for the first time as a contest of races. His book was heavily researched in an attempt to draw together the most up-to-date scholarship of the new realms of science, especially German archaeology and philology and French anthropology. He concluded that contemporary nations were the patrimony of a racial past defined by the conquest of weaker races by stronger ones. He posited three great races, the white, the black, and the yellow, that engaged in constant battle. For Gobineau, the victor and true driving force of human history was the white, or European, race. Yet, this victory came always at a price. Lesser races never disappeared. Instead, they mixed into the conquering races, leaving a weaker whole. The mixture, in fact, elevated lower races, in which he included the yellow and the black and their lingering influence among European peasantry and urban working classes, while the white race was degraded.

    Georges Vacher de Lapouge, in his study of European skulls in 1888, saw three European races and ordered their quality and value: European Man, Alpine Man, and Homo Contractus. He argued that none of these races directly correlated with a specific nation, but his descriptions of their behaviors and religious ideas were clearly meant to correspond to Germany, Southern Europe, and the population of European Jews. The naturalized German citizen Houston Stewart Chamberlain wrote in 1899 that the German race struggled to maintain its purity because of the Darwinian form of natural selection that caused Germans to feel a revulsion toward intermixing with lesser races. Overall, this putative science of race uncoupled nationalism from its liberal roots, implying that those who lived within a national community did not necessarily belong. One could act, speak, or feel German or French but never be German or French.

    In newly unified Italy, northern Italians in Lombardy saw the threat of southern peoples, the Sicilians or Neapolitans, as racially enervating. They were thought to be different because of their hot-blooded, less rational characters—elements believed to emanate from their hotter climate and their proximity to Africa. Similar ideas existed in Spain toward those from the south, in particular Andalu sia. In northern Spain, notions of racial purity became important adjuncts of the Basque nationalist movement that sprang up in the late nineteenth century. The presence of foreign guest workers, or maketos, from other parts of Spain, was perceived as a threat to Basque purity. Sabino Arana, an early founder of Basque nationalism, proposed miscegenation laws in 1901 to prohibit the marriage of Basques to Spaniards.

    Imperialism helped solidify a view of the world as a hierarchy of races with Europeans at the zenith and all others arrayed below. One ugly symbol of this worldview was the “human zoo” that appeared throughout fin de siècle Europe in international fairs and other public spectacles. This kind of menagerie, replete with dioramic portrayals of humans living in their “typical” habitat, produced wide-eyed amazement among Europeans of the late nineteenth century and established racial hierarchy not just as an elite, scientific view of history but also as a popular one. By the 1880’s and 1890’s, race existed as a concrete idea recognizable to any European. Race became an essential element of national strength—and required defense and protection.
     

    Of course, the hierarchy of race begs the question: If other, non-white races are inferior to “whites”’, then is there a hierarchy within the “white” race? Would not certain “white” groups be considered superior to others that seem “less white” or “not quite white”?

    "...The white man presents an image of superiority even when he isn’t conscious of it. And superiority excites envy. Destroying white civilization is the inmost desire of the league of designated victims we call ‘minorities.’"

    French philosopher Michel Foucault traces race discourses as far back as the 1600's. The earliest discussions centered on race as being of lineage, language, and tradition, correlated with religion and personal character. To be a member of the Saxon "race" was to speak and live like a Saxon, as compared to other groups. Now, would a Saxon (or an Frank, or a Norman, or a Visogoth) in their heyday have referred to themselves as being "white"? Furthermore, Foucault looks at how the idea of race "mutated". In the 1700's, to be a member of a particular race centered on having a specific physical appearance loosely tied to lineage. By the mid to late 1800's, race morphed into a biological concept based on the theories of Herbert Spencer and Charles Darwin.

    Let us refer to the Greeks and Romans, the foundation for "Western civilization". Their ideas resonated during the development of the modern European university in the 1700 and 1800's. Here, classical texts we know and love collided with the racial markers and attitudes of their day--along with Biblical justifications for slavery--as intellectuals of the time period created racial categories placing Europeans at the top rung when it came to scientific and cultural achievements. This result is other than surprising, given how the earliest charts of racial differences were rooted in racial superiority, as scholars has deemed the ancients as being the quintessential "white civilizations". Yet, would Greeks and Romans have referred to themselves as being "white"?

    There seems to be this conflation of "Western Civilization" and "whiteness" as embraced by the Alt Right today. To me, they are claiming "Since we have inherited the classics because they are our specific genetic and cultural legacy, we are a superior people by which all other peoples are measured and judged". So, iSteve and company, how do you rectify this notion with beliefs from the Good Book? The Bible says, “From one man he made all the nations. We are God’s offspring” (Acts 17:26, 29). Perhaps you would indulge me in dialectic conversation rather than your usual caginess:

    1) Do you agree or disagree with those Christians consider Europeans to be a “chosen people and Jews to be the cursed offspring of Cain, the ‘serpent hybrid’ (a belief which is known as the two-seedline doctrine)”? Why?

    2) What are your thoughts regarding Wesley A. Swift’s doctrine (he was founder of the Church of Jesus Christ Christian) that non-Caucasian peoples have no souls and therefore can never earn God’s favor or be saved?

    3) How is “race realism” justified from a religious position considering that Christianity’s drive is towards universalism? Just to make it clear, Christian universalism refers to “a school of Christian theology focused around the doctrine of universal reconciliation – the view that all human beings will ultimately be saved and restored to a right relationship with God”.

    Replies: @Keypusher

    “French philosopher Michel Foucault traces race discourses as far back as the 1600’s.”

    What a ignorant fool he was, then. Even Ibram X Kendi can do better.

    What do you hope to accomplish with your reams of drivel? MAKE YOUR POINT.

    • Replies: @James Forrestal
    @Keypusher

    “French philosopher Michel Foucault traces race discourses as far back as the 1600’s.”

    "Béla Kun's" use of the word "discourses" in this context indicates that he's a true-believing Foucaultster.


    What a ignorant fool he was, then.
     
    Well... no. Evil ≠ "ignorant," and is certainly not the same concept as "fool." You don't get to be the #1-cited social "scientist" ever through ignorance or stupidity. But malign intent is no barrier, especially under the current regime.

    Foucault is probably best known as a promiscuous sodomite who died from GRIDS in 1984 -- but he's also notorious as a serial rapist of 8 year old Tunisian boys -- an act he described euphemistically as "reinserting himself" into the "political debate" in Tunisia. But while he was a rapist, he was apparently no "r****t" -- he enthusiastically advocated for the legalization of the rape of 8 year old French boys as well. He was one of the leading promoters of what's often termed the "French NAMBLA petition," which advocated legalizing the rape of 8 year old boys [and girls] in France. So that's OK then, I guess. I mean, that's just run of the mill "LGBTQP advocacy", doncha know.

    British economist John Maynard Keynes was, of course, also well-known as an anally-enthusiast pedophile, and shared Foucault's preference for North African boys as victims. But Keynes was clearly a "r****t," since -- unlike Foucault -- he never openly advocated for the legalization of child rape/ child prostitution in Europe.

    Foucault was obsessed with power, and was a big fan of Bentham's concept of the "panopticon" -- something that has achieved widespread application in the current year.

    And of course, Foucault was an important foreign malign influence on theories of sexual degeneracy and how to promote it, such as "Queer Theory", which is pretty much straight Foucault.
    , @Corvinus
    @Keypusher

    The points were made well, my friend. But I will highlight a few for you to digest, given your apparent inability to understand complex ideas.

    --Abstract ideals of universality” were not invented by “whites”, they were created by various ethnic and cultural groups. “Western man” refers to the designation Europeans put on themselves to distinguish themselves from other groups.

    --The notion of “whites” or “European-whites” being bound together came about as a result of Social Darwinism and imperialism in the late 1800’s–the distinction that separated “us” from “them”. In this manner, the “lowest-rung” whites were deemed superior in social standing than their darkie counterparts, while at the same time knew full well their “pecking order” within the European hierarchy.

    --In newly unified Italy, northern Italians in Lombardy saw the threat of southern peoples, the Sicilians or Neapolitans, as racially enervating. They were thought to be different because of their hot-blooded, less rational characters—elements believed to emanate from their hotter climate and their proximity to Africa.

    --To be a member of the Saxon “race” was to speak and live like a Saxon, as compared to other groups. Now, would a Saxon (or an Frank, or a Norman, or a Visogoth) in their heyday have referred to themselves as being “white”?

    --There seems to be this conflation of “Western Civilization” and “whiteness” as embraced by the Alt Right today. To me, they are claiming “Since we have inherited the classics because they are our specific genetic and cultural legacy, we are a superior people by which all other peoples are measured and judged.

    Now, put your white IQ to the test by answering this related question: What are your thoughts regarding Wesley A. Swift’s doctrine (he was founder of the Church of Jesus Christ Christian) that non-Caucasian peoples have no souls and therefore can never earn God’s favor or be saved?

  246. That Sobran passage is pretty great, but didn’t he also support mass immigration? Bizarre.

  247. The question is ridiculous, of course. It would be akin to asking what I like about being a man. That’s simply how God made me, so it’s not about ‘liking’ that fact, it’s about flourishing as a man, by practicing virtue as expressed in specifically masculine ways, etc. I do not need to cast about for rationalizations for why men are superior to women to appreciate being a man.

    And God made me white, so that fact forms part of who I am. So what do I ‘like’ about it? Simply the fact that it provides one part of my identity, and thus gives me a sense of place in the world and informs part of my duty. What is my duty qua white? Simply this: to honor the memory of my ancestors who created my civilization and to defend it from the depredations of those who would erase their memory.

    European civilization is glorious, but that’s really neither here nor there: it’s the fact that it’s my civilization. A man does not have to believe his father is objectively better than other fathers to love him more than other men. Likewise, I need no rationale to love what my ancestors built: the fact that they gave it to me and that it is mine is enough.

    • Agree: Rob McX, Dissident, 3g4me
  248. I like racism and privledge but the best thing is the superiority. What a rush!

  249. Hope is not a plan. The only way to secure that future is to stand together against the vandals today ransacking our past to set an example for the future whose past we will be.

  250. @Jonathan Mason
    @anon


    Why were you patronizing Liverpool prostitutes in 1971?
     
    I think you misread what I wrote, but anyway, at that time when I shared an upstairs apartment with two social workers in Faulkner Square, Liverpool 8, a short walk from the university where I was a student, and we had a taxi driver living in the basement apartment.

    Here is a picture of the same building, in more recent times. It used to be a great deal more scruffy, and we had to buy bags of coal and carry them upstairs to light fires for heating in winter.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47/Falkner_Square%2C_Liverpool_%281%29.JPG

    Pictures of how it was in the early 70s can be seen here:

    https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/405675878905519936/

    Replies: @anon, @JohnnyWalker123

    Are there still Irish gangs in the UK?

  251. @Rob Lee
    "Why that's a great question, Mark, and I'm glad you asked it!"

    "Everything."

    "No, seriously, everything. Look around you Mark. No, actually, physically turn your head in your room and look around you. From the refrigerator where your pre-packaged, 'safe to eat food' is not rotting, down to your feet where your mass-produced socks are keeping your feet warm and your shoes are keeping your toes from being cut during your daily walk... the running water that's not foul... the insulated walls that keep you safe during storms, the electricity that lights your room and powers the device that we're now communicating with! Not to mention the cultural appropriation (which I won't mention, Mark! wink wink) of you using my style of clothing, my language, my technology while sitting on my land trying to insult me! Ha ha ha!" (jovial moment)

    "Oh and there's so much more to say about all of that, but we only have a limited amount of time, because I'm sure you've got more to do today talking about the importance of... er, something related to eliminating whiteness; otherwise known as everything that the modern world enjoys..."

    "So you see Mark, at the end of the day, the pejorative term "white supremacy" simply means "civilization." And as we're now seeing in real time, you can't have one without the other."

    "Mark, I hope you have a fantastic, safe day in Western Civilization!"

    Replies: @photondancer

    “No, actually, physically turn your head in your room and look around you”

    Nice. 🙂

    “Not to mention the cultural appropriation of you using my style of clothing, my language, my technology”

    Glad I’m not the only one who’s observed that foreigners yelping ‘cultural appropriation’ invariably are wearing western clothing, wearing western watches, carrying western phones (they may be made in China but they weren’t invented there) etc.

  252. @Temple
    Well, what I like about being white is that I don't have to like other whites by default.

    They are not my brothers nor my clan members, and in fact, in my, until recently, very white part of the world, we have been killing each other for millennia.

    To put it in other words I'd rather drink rat poison than celebrate a white George Floyd.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Well, what I like about being white is that I don’t have to like other whites by default.

    You aren’t compelled to do that under any circumstances. Celebrating George Floyd is something people chose to do. It’s the choice that discredits them.

    • Agree: Desiderius, Dissident
  253. @Bragadocious
    @Jonathan Mason

    LOL more accurately your sex traffickers and pedos had names like Mountbatten and Savile.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Since when was Louis Mountbatten a sex trafficker?

  254. @AndrewR
    @al gore rhythms

    But blacks don't really know where they came from. A black person wanting to look up their family history would have a hard time before 1870 and absolutely no luck prior to the forced importation from Africa. Most whites know very little about their own roots but at least it's possible to find records of their ancestors going back centuried.

    Replies: @photondancer

    Only if they’re Icelandic. Many Europeans can’t trace their ancestry more than a few generations because records have been destroyed by time or war, or were never properly kept in the first place.

  255. @Anonymous
    @AndrewR


    Let me tell you a secret: if whites were really as awesome as you imply, we wouldn’t be in this mess.
     
    We’re in this mess specifically because of race-traitors.

    If we could somehow make blacks smarter and better behaved, the bailey explanation for CRT and other “anti-racist” dogma would be useless.
     
    Jews are smarter and more “well behaved“. And they created CRT. Being smart and well behaved doesn’t mean someone’s going to be your friend. In fact, they may be a more vicious enemy.

    So if we equalized outcomes, they would have to just admit to the motte part and say “we hate you just for existing.”
     
    Equalize outcomes! I think what you’re talking is a utopian vision. This kind of proves the point, either a person is pro-white or anti-white. You’d throw white people under the bus in a second to pursue some abstract concept in the sky.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @AndrewR

    Jews are smarter and more “well behaved“. And they created CRT.

    • Replies: @James Forrestal
    @Art Deco

    Yeah, I haven't seen much proof of that "well-behaved" allegation either.

  256. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Dave Pinsen

    What does your response have to do with mine?

    It is midwit to argue whether feeling pride is appropriate or not. Either the individual feels it, or they don't.

    Morality, individual pragmatism, history, social good, they are, at best, explanations for why the person feels pride or not.

    If those explanations cause us to deceive ourselves over how we feel, then those explanations are a problem.

    "Should you feel pride" is irrelevant - and the first step towards a lie. "Do you feel pride", is what matters.

    Sorry, not sorry, but your whole perspective is midwit...

    Replies: @silviosilver

    “Should you feel pride” is irrelevant – and the first step towards a lie. “Do you feel pride”, is what matters.

    It’s not irrelevant because people are constantly asking it. And why not? The place of pride – any sort: fatherly, ethnic, sporting etc – in our lives is a question that merits some reflection.

    And if someone doesn’t feel pride but you believe he should, you will have to supply him with reasons. It may shock you, but people have been known to change their minds on this.

    That said, pride feelings do tend to arise spontaneously, so there’s probably some limit to how much various “talk” about them will alter them; still talk can make some difference.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @silviosilver

    People often think they need permission from society, or from "reasons", to feel pride or indeed, any other emotion, but this is erfect midwittedness.

    Rather than beginning with what actually is, the midwit ego strives for inflation by making up a, sometimes reasonable, fantasy, that either justifies themselves or, worse, leads to them pretending to what they're not.

    For practical purposes, you may be right though. A midwit approach will work best for most people, as they will never fully understand what I am alluding to above. Like teaching schoolchildren Newtonian physics.

  257. @Truth
    @jon


    As I always say, I like my music like I like my chocolate
     
    Nutty and packaged?

    Replies: @iDeplorable, @Jim Don Bob

    Truth, what do you like best about being a negro?

    I’d think it would be the luxury of lacking the self-awareness to know you’re a tiresome simpleton, the iSteve equivalent of the moron in the back of the classroom with his hat on sideways, trying to make people laugh while hoping they don’t notice he doesn’t understand the subject matter.

    Or maybe its nobody having any expectations for you, just the knowledge that you’ll always be a burden? That you can be infantile your entire life and whites will support you?

    But let’s hear your answer.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @iDeplorable


    Truth, what do you like best about being a negro?

    I’d think it would be the luxury of lacking the self-awareness to know you’re a tiresome simpleton, the iSteve equivalent of the moron in the back of the classroom with his hat on sideways, trying to make people laugh while hoping they don’t notice he doesn’t understand the subject matter.

    Or maybe its nobody having any expectations for you, just the knowledge that you’ll always be a burden? That you can be infantile your entire life and whites will support you?

    But let’s hear your answer.
     

    (SMH)

    Dude,Nostradamus, if you already knew what my exact answer was going to be, why did you bother asking the question? DUH!

  258. @Truth
    @jon


    As I always say, I like my music like I like my chocolate
     
    Nutty and packaged?

    Replies: @iDeplorable, @Jim Don Bob

    I like my coffee the same way I like my women….

    Hot, black, and picked up at 7-11.

  259. @John Johnson
    @Colin Wright

    That’s optimistic. Even what little there is in the way of ‘black’ achievement is usually due to mulattoes, quadroons, and octoroons.

    Very few know that Frederick Douglas was actually a mulatto and at the time egalitarians used him as proof that Africans are actually Europeans underneath.

    Real convincing stuff.

    My favorite mulattoes are the ones that hate Whites. Look at Malcom X or Farrakhan. Yea some real pure bred Bantu there. Might as well punch yourself in the face if you hate Whites that much.

    Replies: @William Badwhite, @AceDeuce

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @AceDeuce

    Amazing that it was just back in 2005 that Peter Tatchell could write this:

    There is not a single world-famous black person who is openly gay.

    Replies: @gandydancer

    , @John Johnson
    @AceDeuce

    When the MSM talks about Malcom X they will mention that he was assassinated but won't say by Nation of Islam thugs.

    Of course they are doing this so everyone assumes it was some racist White.

  260. I enjoy my whiteness because:
    #1 I have no relatives who were or are cannibals.
    #2. I have no relatives that ever wore a bone or boars tusk in their noses.
    #3. Computerized cameras don’t label my picture as. “gorillas”. That happened to a negro who was furious. LOL!
    #4. My family and friends speak the King’s English, not ghetto primate booga bunga.
    #5. Every one in my family and friends know who their fathers are, and have his last name. No guessing in the village about who da baby daddy is be.
    #6. Not have a proboscis that is as large as a double ice cream cone, a wonderful genetic trait. ( I have often wondered if having such a proboscis wasn’t a problem as I can easily imagine horse flies or flying cockroaches getting lodged in the offending proboscis, and causing problems. It is a wonder that killer bees don’t build hives in such an organ).
    #7. My people wear their pants up, and do not show their assets in public. (That is a ghetto fashion if there was ever one).
    #8. The white people in my life work and provide for their kids. ( Unlike da baby momma who lives for EBT, Section 8 housing, Earned income credit, Welfare checks, TANF, SNAP, …..) Mo baby mo check is the ghetto quote.
    #9. My race isn’t infected with a sense of entitlement and gibbs me dat. ( You people are OWED NOTHING)!
    #10. My people and their assorted and various technologies have saved million s of Africans in the last two centuries. (Think of all of those famines and outbreaks of disease our vaccines, foods,and drugs alleviated). Perhaps that was the wrong thing to do.
    #11. No one is forced to pretend to love us white people, yet we are required to at least pretend to love the negroe.
    #12. My people pay most of the taxes in this country, unlike the welfare dependent, who mooch right along. (So whenever we are gone who s gonna pay for your EBT……)?
    #13. When a white graduates college it is not due to any affirmative action BS, they earned their degree(s).
    #14. No agency or corporation is forced to hire whites, we get hired on our own merit.
    #15. Blacks cry about disparate impact of criminal penalties. Yet who is committing a disparate amount of crime?
    #16. Black leaders scream and cry about black children getting killed by gunfire, yet it’s not racist whites doing the shootings, it be other blacks. Score one for whiteness!
    #17. When a white cannot grasp a subject like trigonometry, we admit it’s not our subject. Blacks scream when they cannot grasp a subject, the subject is be racist.
    #18. Look at who does most looting of big screen TV’s, Nike’s…….it’s not people who need sun tan lotion at the beach.
    #19. My people can argue a subject without grabbing their penis while screaming,”Bu– s-it mother fuc–r, Bu– s-it!” That should be an expected reply from male blacks is any arguments.
    #20. Every crime report one reads always tries to make the black perpetrator the victim. See the articles about the Negro who broke in a house abducted a 4 year old and stabbed him to death. His momma is already ooking, eeking and screeching that he was the sweetest of on earth and could never do such a thing. (Never mind they have him on video). Whites get caught doing anything and we figure they probably did it, and don’t try to make far fetched excuses for them.
    #21. Blacks cry about how bad things in America for them, yet millions of Africans want to immigrate to America. If whites are so bad why dont we see millions of negroes fleeing back to darkest Africa? Whites created a nation that even the most primitive Africans desire to live in. Yep I love my whiteness.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @new Stalin

    "#1 I have no relatives who were or are cannibals."

    Not that you are aware of, my ignorant white friend.

    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/europes-hypocritical-history-of-cannibalism-42642371/

    #2. I have no relatives that ever wore a bone or boars tusk in their noses."

    I surmised they weren't fighters for there "tribe". It was originally a manhood ritual marking a significant event in the warrior’s life, though the actual milestones and reasons differ greatly from region to region.

    "#4. My family and friends speak the King’s English, not ghetto primate booga bunga."

    The King's English was a book written in 1906. Because all living languages continually evolve, the book is now considered outdated in some respects, and some of the Fowlers' opinions about correct English usage are at times seen as antiquated (yet not incorrect) with regard to contemporary standards.

    #8. The white people in my life work and provide for their kids.

    McDonald's is nice.

    #9. My race isn’t infected with a sense of entitlement and gibbs me dat.

    Refer to colonialism and imperialism, my ignorant white friend.

    #12. My people pay most of the taxes in this country, unlike the welfare dependent, who mooch right along.

    My people, referring to Americans.

  261. @Stick
    The nice thing about being white is you don't smell funny.

    Replies: @Truth

    That’s funny because one of the most agreed-upon stereotypes of white people is just that…

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Truth

    I'll take wet dog smell over having more apocrine glands.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1366196/

  262. @jamie b.
    The proper response would have been: What am I allowed to like about being white? Is there a response that a POC can accept?

    Replies: @anon, @Truth

    The proper response would have been: What am I allowed to like about being white?

    LOL. now that would have been Alpha.

  263. @Keypusher
    @Corvinus

    “French philosopher Michel Foucault traces race discourses as far back as the 1600’s.”

    What a ignorant fool he was, then. Even Ibram X Kendi can do better.

    What do you hope to accomplish with your reams of drivel? MAKE YOUR POINT.

    Replies: @James Forrestal, @Corvinus

    “French philosopher Michel Foucault traces race discourses as far back as the 1600’s.”

    “Béla Kun’s” use of the word “discourses” in this context indicates that he’s a true-believing Foucaultster.

    What a ignorant fool he was, then.

    Well… no. Evil ≠ “ignorant,” and is certainly not the same concept as “fool.” You don’t get to be the #1-cited social “scientist” ever through ignorance or stupidity. But malign intent is no barrier, especially under the current regime.

    Foucault is probably best known as a promiscuous sodomite who died from GRIDS in 1984 — but he’s also notorious as a serial rapist of 8 year old Tunisian boys — an act he described euphemistically as “reinserting himself” into the “political debate” in Tunisia. But while he was a rapist, he was apparently no “r****t” — he enthusiastically advocated for the legalization of the rape of 8 year old French boys as well. He was one of the leading promoters of what’s often termed the “French NAMBLA petition,” which advocated legalizing the rape of 8 year old boys [and girls] in France. So that’s OK then, I guess. I mean, that’s just run of the mill “LGBTQP advocacy”, doncha know.

    British economist John Maynard Keynes was, of course, also well-known as an anally-enthusiast pedophile, and shared Foucault’s preference for North African boys as victims. But Keynes was clearly a “r****t,” since — unlike Foucault — he never openly advocated for the legalization of child rape/ child prostitution in Europe.

    Foucault was obsessed with power, and was a big fan of Bentham’s concept of the “panopticon” — something that has achieved widespread application in the current year.

    And of course, Foucault was an important foreign malign influence on theories of sexual degeneracy and how to promote it, such as “Queer Theory”, which is pretty much straight Foucault.

  264. @Art Deco
    @Anonymous

    Jews are smarter and more “well behaved“. And they created CRT.

    https://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/citation_needed.jpg?w=300

    Replies: @James Forrestal

    Yeah, I haven’t seen much proof of that “well-behaved” allegation either.

  265. @silviosilver
    @Triteleia Laxa


    “Should you feel pride” is irrelevant – and the first step towards a lie. “Do you feel pride”, is what matters.
     
    It's not irrelevant because people are constantly asking it. And why not? The place of pride - any sort: fatherly, ethnic, sporting etc - in our lives is a question that merits some reflection.

    And if someone doesn't feel pride but you believe he should, you will have to supply him with reasons. It may shock you, but people have been known to change their minds on this.

    That said, pride feelings do tend to arise spontaneously, so there's probably some limit to how much various "talk" about them will alter them; still talk can make some difference.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    People often think they need permission from society, or from “reasons”, to feel pride or indeed, any other emotion, but this is erfect midwittedness.

    Rather than beginning with what actually is, the midwit ego strives for inflation by making up a, sometimes reasonable, fantasy, that either justifies themselves or, worse, leads to them pretending to what they’re not.

    For practical purposes, you may be right though. A midwit approach will work best for most people, as they will never fully understand what I am alluding to above. Like teaching schoolchildren Newtonian physics.

  266. @AceDeuce
    @John Johnson

    Malcolm the Tenth didn't hate all White men. Some of them he liked--a whole lot. LOLOLOLOLOL.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/may/19/gayrights.usa

    https://www.gaycitynews.com/malcolm-xs-queer-affinities/

    http://williamapercy.com/wiki/index.php?title=Malcolm_X_was_gay

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @John Johnson

    Amazing that it was just back in 2005 that Peter Tatchell could write this:

    There is not a single world-famous black person who is openly gay.

    • Replies: @gandydancer
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Amazing that it was just back in 2005 that Peter Tatchell could write this:

    There is not a single world-famous black person who is openly gay.
     

    Never heard of him (Tatchell). Do you have to be Nelson Mandela to be "world-famous"? James Baldwin didn't count?
  267. @iDeplorable
    @Truth

    Truth, what do you like best about being a negro?

    I'd think it would be the luxury of lacking the self-awareness to know you're a tiresome simpleton, the iSteve equivalent of the moron in the back of the classroom with his hat on sideways, trying to make people laugh while hoping they don't notice he doesn't understand the subject matter.

    Or maybe its nobody having any expectations for you, just the knowledge that you'll always be a burden? That you can be infantile your entire life and whites will support you?

    But let's hear your answer.

    Replies: @Truth

    Truth, what do you like best about being a negro?

    I’d think it would be the luxury of lacking the self-awareness to know you’re a tiresome simpleton, the iSteve equivalent of the moron in the back of the classroom with his hat on sideways, trying to make people laugh while hoping they don’t notice he doesn’t understand the subject matter.

    Or maybe its nobody having any expectations for you, just the knowledge that you’ll always be a burden? That you can be infantile your entire life and whites will support you?

    But let’s hear your answer.

    (SMH)

    Dude,Nostradamus, if you already knew what my exact answer was going to be, why did you bother asking the question? DUH!

  268. @AceDeuce
    @John Johnson

    Malcolm the Tenth didn't hate all White men. Some of them he liked--a whole lot. LOLOLOLOLOL.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/may/19/gayrights.usa

    https://www.gaycitynews.com/malcolm-xs-queer-affinities/

    http://williamapercy.com/wiki/index.php?title=Malcolm_X_was_gay

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @John Johnson

    When the MSM talks about Malcom X they will mention that he was assassinated but won’t say by Nation of Islam thugs.

    Of course they are doing this so everyone assumes it was some racist White.

  269. @Truth
    @Stick

    That's funny because one of the most agreed-upon stereotypes of white people is just that...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PphBs8vp4bw

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9P_tjl94ZjA

    Replies: @John Johnson

    I’ll take wet dog smell over having more apocrine glands.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1366196/

  270. Who cares what this black thinks about anything at all. If you need to come in a show justification fir being a European then you’ve lost. When he asks you just apply Enoch’s rebuttal say No then ask the negro about Zionism and Israel.

  271. @Anonymous
    @AndrewR


    Let me tell you a secret: if whites were really as awesome as you imply, we wouldn’t be in this mess.
     
    We’re in this mess specifically because of race-traitors.

    If we could somehow make blacks smarter and better behaved, the bailey explanation for CRT and other “anti-racist” dogma would be useless.
     
    Jews are smarter and more “well behaved“. And they created CRT. Being smart and well behaved doesn’t mean someone’s going to be your friend. In fact, they may be a more vicious enemy.

    So if we equalized outcomes, they would have to just admit to the motte part and say “we hate you just for existing.”
     
    Equalize outcomes! I think what you’re talking is a utopian vision. This kind of proves the point, either a person is pro-white or anti-white. You’d throw white people under the bus in a second to pursue some abstract concept in the sky.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @AndrewR

    You’re a lying coward.

  272. @Roger
    @Corvinus

    White people have accomplished many great things in the last millennium, including inventing the products that make modern civilization possible. That is what put Whites "on top", as you say.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    [Different groups of people] have accomplished many great things in the last millennium, including inventing the products that make modern civilization possible.

    “That is what put Whites “on top”, as you say.”

    No, it has put specific groups “on top”, whether it be American, or Japanese, or German, or…

  273. @Keypusher
    @Corvinus

    “French philosopher Michel Foucault traces race discourses as far back as the 1600’s.”

    What a ignorant fool he was, then. Even Ibram X Kendi can do better.

    What do you hope to accomplish with your reams of drivel? MAKE YOUR POINT.

    Replies: @James Forrestal, @Corvinus

    The points were made well, my friend. But I will highlight a few for you to digest, given your apparent inability to understand complex ideas.

    –Abstract ideals of universality” were not invented by “whites”, they were created by various ethnic and cultural groups. “Western man” refers to the designation Europeans put on themselves to distinguish themselves from other groups.

    –The notion of “whites” or “European-whites” being bound together came about as a result of Social Darwinism and imperialism in the late 1800’s–the distinction that separated “us” from “them”. In this manner, the “lowest-rung” whites were deemed superior in social standing than their darkie counterparts, while at the same time knew full well their “pecking order” within the European hierarchy.

    –In newly unified Italy, northern Italians in Lombardy saw the threat of southern peoples, the Sicilians or Neapolitans, as racially enervating. They were thought to be different because of their hot-blooded, less rational characters—elements believed to emanate from their hotter climate and their proximity to Africa.

    –To be a member of the Saxon “race” was to speak and live like a Saxon, as compared to other groups. Now, would a Saxon (or an Frank, or a Norman, or a Visogoth) in their heyday have referred to themselves as being “white”?

    –There seems to be this conflation of “Western Civilization” and “whiteness” as embraced by the Alt Right today. To me, they are claiming “Since we have inherited the classics because they are our specific genetic and cultural legacy, we are a superior people by which all other peoples are measured and judged.

    Now, put your white IQ to the test by answering this related question: What are your thoughts regarding Wesley A. Swift’s doctrine (he was founder of the Church of Jesus Christ Christian) that non-Caucasian peoples have no souls and therefore can never earn God’s favor or be saved?

  274. @new Stalin
    I enjoy my whiteness because:
    #1 I have no relatives who were or are cannibals.
    #2. I have no relatives that ever wore a bone or boars tusk in their noses.
    #3. Computerized cameras don't label my picture as. "gorillas". That happened to a negro who was furious. LOL!
    #4. My family and friends speak the King's English, not ghetto primate booga bunga.
    #5. Every one in my family and friends know who their fathers are, and have his last name. No guessing in the village about who da baby daddy is be.
    #6. Not have a proboscis that is as large as a double ice cream cone, a wonderful genetic trait. ( I have often wondered if having such a proboscis wasn't a problem as I can easily imagine horse flies or flying cockroaches getting lodged in the offending proboscis, and causing problems. It is a wonder that killer bees don't build hives in such an organ).
    #7. My people wear their pants up, and do not show their assets in public. (That is a ghetto fashion if there was ever one).
    #8. The white people in my life work and provide for their kids. ( Unlike da baby momma who lives for EBT, Section 8 housing, Earned income credit, Welfare checks, TANF, SNAP, .....) Mo baby mo check is the ghetto quote.
    #9. My race isn't infected with a sense of entitlement and gibbs me dat. ( You people are OWED NOTHING)!
    #10. My people and their assorted and various technologies have saved million s of Africans in the last two centuries. (Think of all of those famines and outbreaks of disease our vaccines, foods,and drugs alleviated). Perhaps that was the wrong thing to do.
    #11. No one is forced to pretend to love us white people, yet we are required to at least pretend to love the negroe.
    #12. My people pay most of the taxes in this country, unlike the welfare dependent, who mooch right along. (So whenever we are gone who s gonna pay for your EBT......)?
    #13. When a white graduates college it is not due to any affirmative action BS, they earned their degree(s).
    #14. No agency or corporation is forced to hire whites, we get hired on our own merit.
    #15. Blacks cry about disparate impact of criminal penalties. Yet who is committing a disparate amount of crime?
    #16. Black leaders scream and cry about black children getting killed by gunfire, yet it's not racist whites doing the shootings, it be other blacks. Score one for whiteness!
    #17. When a white cannot grasp a subject like trigonometry, we admit it's not our subject. Blacks scream when they cannot grasp a subject, the subject is be racist.
    #18. Look at who does most looting of big screen TV's, Nike's.......it's not people who need sun tan lotion at the beach.
    #19. My people can argue a subject without grabbing their penis while screaming,"Bu-- s-it mother fuc--r, Bu-- s-it!" That should be an expected reply from male blacks is any arguments.
    #20. Every crime report one reads always tries to make the black perpetrator the victim. See the articles about the Negro who broke in a house abducted a 4 year old and stabbed him to death. His momma is already ooking, eeking and screeching that he was the sweetest of on earth and could never do such a thing. (Never mind they have him on video). Whites get caught doing anything and we figure they probably did it, and don't try to make far fetched excuses for them.
    #21. Blacks cry about how bad things in America for them, yet millions of Africans want to immigrate to America. If whites are so bad why dont we see millions of negroes fleeing back to darkest Africa? Whites created a nation that even the most primitive Africans desire to live in. Yep I love my whiteness.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “#1 I have no relatives who were or are cannibals.”

    Not that you are aware of, my ignorant white friend.

    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/europes-hypocritical-history-of-cannibalism-42642371/

    #2. I have no relatives that ever wore a bone or boars tusk in their noses.”

    I surmised they weren’t fighters for there “tribe”. It was originally a manhood ritual marking a significant event in the warrior’s life, though the actual milestones and reasons differ greatly from region to region.

    “#4. My family and friends speak the King’s English, not ghetto primate booga bunga.”

    The King’s English was a book written in 1906. Because all living languages continually evolve, the book is now considered outdated in some respects, and some of the Fowlers’ opinions about correct English usage are at times seen as antiquated (yet not incorrect) with regard to contemporary standards.

    #8. The white people in my life work and provide for their kids.

    McDonald’s is nice.

    #9. My race isn’t infected with a sense of entitlement and gibbs me dat.

    Refer to colonialism and imperialism, my ignorant white friend.

    #12. My people pay most of the taxes in this country, unlike the welfare dependent, who mooch right along.

    My people, referring to Americans.

    • Troll: GeneralRipper
  275. @Keypusher
    @Tiny Duck

    Hahaha. Tiny Duck finally writes a (fairly) coherent post in complete sentences, and THAT’s the post that gets ignored. It really is an unjust world.

    Replies: @bomag

    Anything coherent from TD is a cut and paste.

    It used to be reliable to do a google search and come up with the source. This time, nothing; not even a link to Unz. Sigh. So much has been removed from the WWW for all the various reasons. Soon enough, each search will yield a homily from the Big Red Book.

  276. @silviosilver
    @Nachum

    Argh. Listen here, silly autist, the point is not to "win" some pointless debate. The point is to convince other whites to take the pro-white side. That is infinitely more important.

    Demonstrating that whites are more accomplished than blacks is like taking candy from a baby. It's not going to convince whites of anything except that you really are the kind of "supremacist" ogre that the media constantly warns them about.

    Replies: @Nachum

    That’s why I said a *bit* more ideal than ours. In an ideal world, he’d be able to be honest.

  277. @Nancy Pelosi's Latina Maid

    Blacks have somewhat narrowed the creativity gap and have some potential to narrow the competence gap if they make the effort.
     
    Yeah, heretofore the explanation for the gaping disparities between white and black achievements, white and black levels of violence, white and black cultural drama, white and black everything, is simply because the blacks weren't "making the effort."

    Nothing at all to do with genetics. We're all just alike under the skin. Kumbayah.

    Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian, @Morris Applebaum IV

    Steve Sailer is the last person who would say genetics don’t matter. He’s just arguing that there is HUGE room for improvement, which would be a net benefit for everyone. Instead, we’re seeing far worse behavior because the incentives are aligned in the wrong direction.

  278. “I like that I do not have … those…moments.”

  279. @Gordo
    @gandydancer


    If everyone were as smart as Jews I wouldn’t have to endure so many morons.
     
    You are quite right to want to be surrounded by your own race, and uniquely you even have a place you can do this.

    Replies: @gandydancer

    You are quite right to want to be surrounded by your own race, and uniquely you even have a place you can do this.

    Nonsense. Largely-Ethnostates are a multitude. What’s yours?

  280. @Triteleia Laxa
    @AceDeuce

    Amazing that it was just back in 2005 that Peter Tatchell could write this:

    There is not a single world-famous black person who is openly gay.

    Replies: @gandydancer

    Amazing that it was just back in 2005 that Peter Tatchell could write this:

    There is not a single world-famous black person who is openly gay.

    Never heard of him (Tatchell). Do you have to be Nelson Mandela to be “world-famous”? James Baldwin didn’t count?

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