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  1. I suspect they don’t think of it that much. And if they do, they believe its the ratio seen on network TV.

    • Agree: Gordo
    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
    @R.G. Camara

    A large part of the TV landscape is Dateline and Court TV, where a typical programs chronicles a white guy who murder his wife and attempt attempts to get it away with it, which he would, were it not for the persistence of a plucky sister-in-law who convinces the Authorities that he did it? One would think there is a veritable epidemic of white-on-white violent crime.

    But a large part of the remaining TV landscape is featuring minority actors, and there is hardly anyone in a TV commercial not from a traditionally underrepresented group?

    At what point will racial equity demand that Dateline and Court TV follow more non-white murder cases?

    Replies: @Rob McX

    , @AnotherDad
    @R.G. Camara


    I suspect they don’t think of it that much. And if they do, they believe its the ratio seen on network TV.
     
    Most people know "black areas are trouble" or something like that.

    "Ratio?" "What's that?"

    Most people are simply not mathematical thinkers at all. They have some handy life rules, but they simply do not think the way Steve thinks, they way I think.

    Ordinarily, I guess, this would not be a huge problem. Because the leaders of a society, a nation usually do not hate it and wish to destroy it. So the rough ideas people have serve "well enough". But America has an enormous world penetrating propaganda industry of minoritarian lying.

    So if you aren't someone with a bullshit detector and a "that doesn't make sense" or "keep doing that and its trouble" mathematical bent, you end up with your brain being buried in bullshit.

    Replies: @Thomm

  2. Some would say that whites commit more gun crimes.

    An interesting follow up study would be the breakdown of how much media attention is given to gun crimes by race and whether it’s in proportion to the true racial breakdown of such crimes. My impression, much like Steve has pointed out about Law and Order SVU, is that white homicides and gun crimes in general are reported not only far more than their proportion in the actual real world, but perhaps make up over 50% of all coverage. This would lead the average NY times reader believing that whites commit over 50% of gun homicides, which would make sense since all races commit gun crimes at roughly equal rates.

    • Replies: @Rooster16
    @ginger bread man

    You hit the nail on the head. There’s a war going on right now, a war for your mind. The propaganda is so thick, most people have stopped thinking critically; pattern recognition has been turned into a thought crime. Your average White understands black homicide rates are higher, they just cannot grasp how high. They are bombarded with shows like SVU, Law & Order, the Nightly News, even entire channels dedicated to crime like I.D… and all these shows sensationalize White crime very disproportionately to black crime. After watching these programs nonstop, they’re left thinking “see Whites commit terrible crimes too” and that’s exactly what the programmers want. If you’re average White knew how dangerous the black population is, they wouldn’t live within a 100 miles of them.

    , @Veteran Aryan
    @ginger bread man


    Some would say that whites commit more gun crimes.
     
    You've fallen for the "gun violence" semantics trickery. "Gun violence" adds suicide to the numbers, a category dominated by whites.
    , @Revelation
    @ginger bread man

    It has been studied, extensively. If you've never heard about these studies before, you should ask yourself how something so well established passes as something "no one ever studied before".

    See:

    https://i.imgur.com/MNj0dyS.png

    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/tables/expanded_homicide_data_table_3_murder_offenders_by_age_sex_and_race_2015.xls

    https://www.brookings.edu/blog/social-mobility-memos/2015/12/15/guns-and-race-the-different-worlds-of-black-and-white-americans/

    https://www.ammoland.com/2014/01/european-murder-rates-compared-to-the-united-states-demographics-vs-guns/

    https://crimeresearch.org/2014/03/comparing-murder-rates-across-countries/

    Replies: @ginger bread man

  3. We should begin to compile “mugged by truth” accounts, redpilled books by classic 60s liberals forced to admit to horror. You have probably seen El Norte or Bust, in which a leftist sociologist admits that many Central Americans are the authors of their own fortunes and are indefensibly awful people. Anon now brings to our attention Left Behind in Rosedale, a 1998 account of a small white Texas town devastated by diversity. It’s on Library Genesis. A book by Derb or the like might be dismissed because of the author, but there are other authors.

    Excerpt:

    The Wilding Incidents of 1982
    The term “wilding” became part of the popular vocabulary in 1989 after a gang of New York youths attacked and nearly killed a female jogger in Central Park. The teenagers told police that wilding was a pastime well known to the city’s youth. As used by the New York youth involved, the term means to run around like a pack of wild animals, acting out the most basic and violent inclinations. The youth of Rosedale were engaged in wilding violence long before the New York City incident shocked the nation.

    Anon puts in:

    He goes on to describe a series of brutal rapes, murders, robberies and home invasions committed against white elders by black teens. It’s mind-boggling once you realize that this exact pattern of crime was happening in every major US city that experienced significant black in-migration in the 60s and 70s. You can find the full book it on Library Genesis.

    Get all your “urbanist” friends to read this book. Without saying it out loud, get them to see that there is a consistent (at least 50 years) pattern of black gang crimes in every city and every country in the world where blacks live in large numbers. The pattern is there. Even the author, a cuck liberal social studies professor at the University of Louisville, couldn’t ignore it when he saw it with his own eyes.

    • Thanks: Mike Tre
    • Replies: @International Jew
    @J.Ross

    What is "Library Genesis" and how does it work? Will it allow me to see this book without paying the $45 Amazon charges for it?

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @J.Ross, @Tristero

    , @Cutter
    @J.Ross

    I remember the Rosewood Twitter thread. I sent it to a prog and he didn't care. Most of them don't.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    , @LP5
    @J.Ross

    J. Ross writes about:


    “mugged by truth” accounts
     
    One way to assess the policy arc for large urban area social issues is through the Kübler-Ross 5-step method.

    1. Shock or denial
    2. Anger
    3. Bargaining
    4. Depression
    5. Acceptance

    Or just relocate when able.
  4. A survey produced by Skeptic.com last year found that more than half the people who identify as liberal or very liberal believe 1,000 or more unarmed black men were murdered by police in 2019, while conservatives guessed the number to be about 10. According to the Washington Post database, the number was 12.

    So if you asked liberals how high the per capita murder offending rate for blacks is compared to that of non-Hispanic whites, you’d probably get an answer like “half as high,” “equal” or perhaps “1.5 times higher.” Most moderate conservatives would also probably guess low.

    It would be interesting to get the answer, but to even ask the question would be considered outrageous, like asking, “How much lower do you think average black IQ is than that of non-Hispanic whites.”

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @Harry Baldwin

    Yep.
    The more sophisticated kind of liberal will set his mind into a thinking process that at some stage encounters a division by zero or square root of a negative number, thus resulting in what Orwell called crimestop.
    http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/content.asp?Bnum=565

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Harry Baldwin

    IIRC, the average white person surveyed over many decades now will estimate that blacks are about 33% of the population. So even if they correctly guess that blacks commit about 50% of all murders, they would figure this to be a black murder rate about 1.5x the white rate. (Since the average American is also bad at math.)

    , @SMK
    @Harry Baldwin

    As Jared Taylor has noted many times, blacks are 25-30 times more likely to murder whites than vice-versa. And what percentage and number of blacks who murder whites aren't convicted (like O.J. Simpson), prosecuted, indicted, or even arrested, so their murders don't even count or exist statistically.

    And how many whites have been convicted of murder for shooting and killing blacks in obvious self-defense, like the 3 men in Georgia who were just convicted of murder and sentenced to life in prison for the "murder" of a black thug and also charged with violating his "civil rights" by Joe Biden's and Merrick Garland's Justice Dept.?

    And Derrick Chauvin was convicted of murder and sentenced to 22-years and 6-months in prison for simply doing his job in arresting and subduing George Floyd -if, at worst, a bit callously and carelessly- who likely would still have died of a meth and fentanyl induced heart attack even if Chauvin hadn't knelt on his back for a few minutes.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @Hegar
    @Harry Baldwin


    A survey produced by Skeptic.com last year found that more than half the people who identify as liberal or very liberal believe 1,000 or more unarmed black men were murdered by police in 2019, while conservatives guessed the number to be about 10. According to the Washington Post database, the number was 12.
     
    They weren't "murdered". In almost all twelve cases the Black was attacking the police, trying to grab the policeman's weapon or reaching for another weapon.

    Aside from that, research shows police are more likely to shoot White suspects than Black suspects. Whites get no protection from the media or politicians.
  5. [Sorry, previous edit got published before I could make corrections.]
    A survey produced by Skeptic.com last year found that 57% of the people who identify as liberal or very liberal believe 1,000 or more unarmed black men were murdered by police in 2019, while more than 34% of those believe it was 10,000 or more. Almost half of those considering themselves conservative or very conservative guessed the number to be about 10. According to the Washington Post database, the number was 12.

    So if you asked liberals how high the per capita murder offending rate for blacks is compared to that of non-Hispanic whites, you’d probably get an answer like “half as high,” “equal” or perhaps “1.5 times higher.” Most moderate conservatives would also probably guess low.

    It would be interesting to get the answer, but to even ask the question would be considered outrageous, like asking, “How much lower do you think average black IQ is than that of non-Hispanic whites.”

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Harry Baldwin


    It would be interesting to get the answer, but to even ask the question would be considered outrageous, like asking, “How much lower do you think average black IQ is than that of non-Hispanic whites.”
     
    It’s “outrageous” precisely because relatively well-educated liberals actually know the answer. It’s impolite to force them to discuss this inconvenient and embarrassing fact. To the extent they engage, they will then attribute it to poverty, lack of education, lack of “opportunity,” etc.

    Why do you think anyone who can afford it lives in a residential district “with good schools”? That’s a proxy for “few blacks and Hispanics, please.”

    Replies: @NOTA

    , @Edward Dett
    @Harry Baldwin


    A survey produced by Skeptic.com last year found that 57% of the people who identify as liberal or very liberal believe 1,000 or more unarmed black men were murdered by police in 2019, while more than 34% of those believe it was 10,000 or more. Almost half of those considering themselves conservative or very conservative guessed the number to be about 10. According to the Washington Post database, the number was 12.
     
    This misperception needs to be dispelled. Glad you bring it back into focus. I remember it being reported on Fox, but so much information comes and goes daily ... The misperception is definitely embedded in American blacks as part of the chip on their shoulders, and the magnitude of wrongness if you group by political affiliation should also be included whenever it is mentioned. (Way, way off paranoidly for the left; a little bit off too sanguinely for the right.)

    As effete as it sounds, disseminating proper facts is disseminating the truth.

  6. @Harry Baldwin
    [Sorry, previous edit got published before I could make corrections.]
    A survey produced by Skeptic.com last year found that 57% of the people who identify as liberal or very liberal believe 1,000 or more unarmed black men were murdered by police in 2019, while more than 34% of those believe it was 10,000 or more. Almost half of those considering themselves conservative or very conservative guessed the number to be about 10. According to the Washington Post database, the number was 12.

    So if you asked liberals how high the per capita murder offending rate for blacks is compared to that of non-Hispanic whites, you'd probably get an answer like "half as high," "equal" or perhaps "1.5 times higher." Most moderate conservatives would also probably guess low.

    It would be interesting to get the answer, but to even ask the question would be considered outrageous, like asking, "How much lower do you think average black IQ is than that of non-Hispanic whites."

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Edward Dett

    It would be interesting to get the answer, but to even ask the question would be considered outrageous, like asking, “How much lower do you think average black IQ is than that of non-Hispanic whites.”

    It’s “outrageous” precisely because relatively well-educated liberals actually know the answer. It’s impolite to force them to discuss this inconvenient and embarrassing fact. To the extent they engage, they will then attribute it to poverty, lack of education, lack of “opportunity,” etc.

    Why do you think anyone who can afford it lives in a residential district “with good schools”? That’s a proxy for “few blacks and Hispanics, please.”

    • Replies: @NOTA
    @Twinkie

    Also, nobody cares about being neighbors with a black doctor or a Mexican dentist, they just want to avoid the underclass, which is disproportionately black and hispanic.

    Replies: @AceDeuce

  7. How do you think the average American would answer this poll? “Roughly, how high is the per capita murder offending rate for blacks compared to non-Hispanic whites?”

    If good-thinking whites are reluctant to answer this question, you can elide the “white privilege” factor by asking about the black-Hispanic crime ratio or, better still, black-Asian ratio. Then point out the white-Asian ratio and ask about the apparent “white privilege” that Asians seem to have over whites in this country (1/4 to 1/2 the homicide rate compared to whites).

    And then ask them to condemn this “Asian privilege,” which surely must reveal the poverty, lack of education, lack of opportunity, etc. for whites in this country and what should be done about it.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Twinkie

    Good idea, Twinkie. Regarding your prior comment, yeah, why is it that even liberals without children or with grown-up children desire good schools so much? Odd ...

  8. Many would say that it’s slightly higher because blacks are poorer on average and poor people are forced into lives of crime and poverty knowns no color.

  9. While not black vs. white murder rates, here’s a video of white axe wielding crime near Steve’s neck of the woods.

    You’ll note the reporter referring to the man targeting “workers” and the man in the street interviewee talks about the fruit vendor being a “big part of the economy”. As a life-long resident of So. Cal, the first thing that comes to mind when I think of the thriving economy of the San Fernando Valley is costermongers!

    While I’m not condoning going after illegal alien costermongers with axes, it is striking how supportive the report is towards the vendor. It’s a marked contrast with this story of an 8-year-old Ohio girl who had a lemonade stand and was shut down by the cops for not being properly licensed. https://nypost.com/2022/08/14/ohio-girl-asa-bakers-lemonade-stand-near-food-festival-shut-down-after-complaint/

    AnotherDad will be shaking his head in frustration and is shown to be correct again.

  10. They believe it is one to one, and if not they are better off not knowing talking about it.

  11. Does “2 times higher” mean “twice” or “thrice”? Double or treble?

    Pardon the Mr Spock act.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    @Reg Cæsar

    Double. 200% would be thrice.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Joseph Farnsworth
    @Reg Cæsar

    This isn't hard, Reg. If Joe is 6-ft tall and you are 1-times taller than Joe, you are 12-ft tall or twice as tall. If you are 2-times taller than Joe, you are three-times as tall as Joe or thrice as tall. So the Redneck farmer was correct in his response to your question. "2 times higher" means 3-times as high.

    Replies: @Juvenalis

  12. @Reg Cæsar
    Does "2 times higher" mean "twice" or "thrice"? Double or treble?

    Pardon the Mr Spock act.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Joseph Farnsworth

    Double. 200% would be thrice.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Redneck farmer


    Double. 200% would be thrice.
     
    200% more, or 200% as? This isn't pedantry, it's simple logic. Imagine these words in a contract. I bet you'd have your attorneys read "2 times higher" differently depending on whether you were the "payer" or the "payee".
  13. Remember folks, black on black crime doesn’t count!

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Redneck farmer


    Remember folks, black on black crime doesn’t count!
     
    Is that like a tree falling in a forest?
    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Redneck farmer


    Remember folks, black on black crime doesn’t count!
     
    But it adds up.

    When someone tells you that the factors you cite don't add up, inform them that factors are not meant to. They multiply up. Or, rather, down, as you multiply the difference from 1.0.
  14. What is the ratio on Law and Order?

    • Replies: @Rich
    @SOL

    I haven't seen a lot of Law and Order, but what I have seen, the ratio is 100% White criminals with the occasional coloured victim.

  15. @Redneck farmer
    Remember folks, black on black crime doesn't count!

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Reg Cæsar

    Remember folks, black on black crime doesn’t count!

    Is that like a tree falling in a forest?

    • LOL: Redneck farmer
  16. O/T (sorry Steve):

    • Thanks: JimDandy
  17. While Americans are aware that Blacks are much more violent than Whites, few are willing to discuss the topic. When you do occasionally find people who want to talk about that, it’s usually Blacks or foreigners.

    I don’t think the average American White would be offended if you mentioned that Blacks are prone to violence, but they’d be shocked that you’re bringing up such a taboo topic.

    I’ve noticed that if you bring up Black violence, liberals will initially get offended. After you cite a few statistics and sources, then they get quiet and don’t say too much.

    Conservatives (and to some extent moderates) will nod along and then mention how the “PC police” won’t let us have honest conversations anymore. Sometimes, they’ll agree, but then bring up a Black conservative who they like (Clarence Thomas, Ben Carson, Larry Elder, etc).

    • Replies: @Anon
    @JohnnyWalker123


    I’ve noticed that if you bring up Black violence, liberals will initially get offended. After you cite a few statistics and sources, then they get quiet and don’t say too much.
     
    What are the key statistics and sources to put before them?

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @anon

    , @IHTG
    @JohnnyWalker123


    Conservatives (and to some extent moderates) will nod along and then mention how the “PC police” won’t let us have honest conversations anymore. Sometimes, they’ll agree, but then bring up a Black conservative who they like (Clarence Thomas, Ben Carson, Larry Elder, etc).
     
    Well, why shouldn't they? Those are people who they like.

    Crime is an all too human phenomenon and the problems of black Americans are human ones. I think the main problem with "race relations" in America is the tendency on all sides to view the disparity between whites and blacks as a difference of kind rather than a difference of degree. The inability to view blacks as just extra-rowdy people, instead of as a species of bizarre violent aliens that requires either coddling or extermination, is literally destroying your civilization.

    Replies: @ThreeCranes, @Gabe Ruth

    , @Anon
    @JohnnyWalker123

    People may well acknowledge that blacks are more violent than everyone else, but most will view this as the result of poverty. There’s the mistaken assumption that poverty causes violence rather than supercharged envy and the popularity of a view suggesting economies are zero sum—i.e., blacks are poor because everyone else is rich.

    In other words, white people will get the blame no matter what blacks do.

  18. I am sure there are all sorts of ratios out there that would shock people (or some people at any rate).

    For example typically on an annual basis in the US what would the ratio of :-
    (Asian women raped by black men) to
    (black women raped by Asian men)

    Presumably often (usually?) it would run into that old mathematical problem of not being able to divide by zero.

  19. @JohnnyWalker123
    While Americans are aware that Blacks are much more violent than Whites, few are willing to discuss the topic. When you do occasionally find people who want to talk about that, it's usually Blacks or foreigners.

    I don't think the average American White would be offended if you mentioned that Blacks are prone to violence, but they'd be shocked that you're bringing up such a taboo topic.

    I've noticed that if you bring up Black violence, liberals will initially get offended. After you cite a few statistics and sources, then they get quiet and don't say too much.

    Conservatives (and to some extent moderates) will nod along and then mention how the "PC police" won't let us have honest conversations anymore. Sometimes, they'll agree, but then bring up a Black conservative who they like (Clarence Thomas, Ben Carson, Larry Elder, etc).

    Replies: @Anon, @IHTG, @Anon

    I’ve noticed that if you bring up Black violence, liberals will initially get offended. After you cite a few statistics and sources, then they get quiet and don’t say too much.

    What are the key statistics and sources to put before them?

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Anon

    https://archive.colorofcrime.com/2016/03/the-color-of-crime-2016-revised-edition/

    , @anon
    @Anon


    What are the key statistics and sources to put before them?
     
    Though most libs are impervious to these type of facts, one of my favorite stats is the inter-racial violent crime rates. It turns out that blacks attack whites a lot more than whites attack blacks. In the last few years, the typical numbers are that blacks commit about 500,000 violent assaults against whites while whites commit about 50,000 against blacks. This 10x difference is high, but when you account for the fact that there are roughly 1/5 as many blacks in the population, the overall rate at which blacks attack whites is almost 5000% higher than the rate whites attack blacks.

    It also means that a black rapes, robs, assaults, or kills a white person every 60 seconds in America. How many of those crimes do you ever see on the news?

    Replies: @David In TN, @James Speaks, @Curle

  20. Let’s remember that the median American either voted for Trump or seriously considered it. So I suspect the “average American” is pretty well clued in.

  21. @Harry Baldwin
    A survey produced by Skeptic.com last year found that more than half the people who identify as liberal or very liberal believe 1,000 or more unarmed black men were murdered by police in 2019, while conservatives guessed the number to be about 10. According to the Washington Post database, the number was 12.

    So if you asked liberals how high the per capita murder offending rate for blacks is compared to that of non-Hispanic whites, you'd probably get an answer like "half as high," "equal" or perhaps "1.5 times higher." Most moderate conservatives would also probably guess low.

    It would be interesting to get the answer, but to even ask the question would be considered outrageous, like asking, "How much lower do you think average black IQ is than that of non-Hispanic whites."

    Replies: @International Jew, @Hypnotoad666, @SMK, @Hegar

    Yep.
    The more sophisticated kind of liberal will set his mind into a thinking process that at some stage encounters a division by zero or square root of a negative number, thus resulting in what Orwell called crimestop.
    http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/content.asp?Bnum=565

  22. @JohnnyWalker123
    While Americans are aware that Blacks are much more violent than Whites, few are willing to discuss the topic. When you do occasionally find people who want to talk about that, it's usually Blacks or foreigners.

    I don't think the average American White would be offended if you mentioned that Blacks are prone to violence, but they'd be shocked that you're bringing up such a taboo topic.

    I've noticed that if you bring up Black violence, liberals will initially get offended. After you cite a few statistics and sources, then they get quiet and don't say too much.

    Conservatives (and to some extent moderates) will nod along and then mention how the "PC police" won't let us have honest conversations anymore. Sometimes, they'll agree, but then bring up a Black conservative who they like (Clarence Thomas, Ben Carson, Larry Elder, etc).

    Replies: @Anon, @IHTG, @Anon

    Conservatives (and to some extent moderates) will nod along and then mention how the “PC police” won’t let us have honest conversations anymore. Sometimes, they’ll agree, but then bring up a Black conservative who they like (Clarence Thomas, Ben Carson, Larry Elder, etc).

    Well, why shouldn’t they? Those are people who they like.

    Crime is an all too human phenomenon and the problems of black Americans are human ones. I think the main problem with “race relations” in America is the tendency on all sides to view the disparity between whites and blacks as a difference of kind rather than a difference of degree. The inability to view blacks as just extra-rowdy people, instead of as a species of bizarre violent aliens that requires either coddling or extermination, is literally destroying your civilization.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    @IHTG


    "The inability to view blacks as just extra-rowdy people, instead of as a species of bizarre violent aliens that requires either coddling or extermination, is literally destroying your civilization."
     
    So, let me get this straight. It's not the blacks who mercilessly attack someone in a street beatdown sucker punch that lands the victim in the hospital or kills him outright. It's not the blacks pulling down statues of persons who stood for principles or embodied ideal traits that lie completely beyond black's ken. It's not the blacks who call for the destruction of "whiteness"; it's the whites who have an "inability to view blacks as just extra-rowdy people" who are "literally destroying...civilization".

    There has to be a label for this complete inversion of reality. If you're white, you are the living instance, the walking exemplar of what used to be called an "alienated" person. You are completely out of touch with your own self interests, have enshrined a false idol at the center of your Self. Get clear, man! IF YOU DON'T STICK UP FOR YOURSELF, NO ONE WILL. Now strap on your greaves, shoulder your shield, heft your spear, and go out there and FIGHT for your right to do that which you most treasure: a grand project or a beautiful woman or whatever.

    Replies: @Occasional lurker

    , @Gabe Ruth
    @IHTG

    Hope they see this at your show trial bro.

    It sounds nice, but a more accurate statement of the problem would be that the party of coddling has become dominant, ironically due to the ascendancy of harm based morality, and now people who advocate human decency and consistency are tarred as exterminationists, pretty much exactly like you are doing posting your sneering comment here.

    Replies: @IHTG

  23. Whomping on whites and Asians in public places. These violent criminals are our native black males of slave descent. Inter-racial rapes are them too, including prison rapes. Imported blacks and Hispanics do other crimes that are non-violent. Many to most are not into hating whitey. This is the province of the slave descended, who ironically suck off white and Asian taxpayers, more than any other group in America. Via do nothing gov’t jobs and the hundreds of welfare and housing programs/

    Though Indians living on the rez get higher Federal money transfers per capita than blacks. At least double or triple. They have more Federal programs raining (money) on them than you can imagine.

  24. In my mind, the average “good schools” suburb that liberals love is very non-diverse as far as blacks. A black family might be OK, but then their bad juju relatives come to visit and case the neighborhood. My breakdown for the average “good schools” libby suburb is 65% white, 30% Asian, 5% white Hispanic.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @Clyde


    In my mind, the average “good schools” suburb that liberals love is very non-diverse as far as blacks. A black family might be OK, but then their bad juju relatives come to visit and case the neighborhood. My breakdown for the average “good schools” libby suburb is 65% white, 30% Asian, 5% white Hispanic.
     
    The suburbs in which the liberal ladies who lunch live have curated diversity - the blacks who can manage to buy homes and pay school taxes in those suburbs are pre-selected for temperamental evenness. Every once in a while someone outside of that box manages to enter and problems result - I recall Allen Iverson buying a mansion in Gladwyne and acting like, well, Allen Iverson - having bros come and go, etc. He was not popular with the neighbors during that period.
  25. @Harry Baldwin
    A survey produced by Skeptic.com last year found that more than half the people who identify as liberal or very liberal believe 1,000 or more unarmed black men were murdered by police in 2019, while conservatives guessed the number to be about 10. According to the Washington Post database, the number was 12.

    So if you asked liberals how high the per capita murder offending rate for blacks is compared to that of non-Hispanic whites, you'd probably get an answer like "half as high," "equal" or perhaps "1.5 times higher." Most moderate conservatives would also probably guess low.

    It would be interesting to get the answer, but to even ask the question would be considered outrageous, like asking, "How much lower do you think average black IQ is than that of non-Hispanic whites."

    Replies: @International Jew, @Hypnotoad666, @SMK, @Hegar

    IIRC, the average white person surveyed over many decades now will estimate that blacks are about 33% of the population. So even if they correctly guess that blacks commit about 50% of all murders, they would figure this to be a black murder rate about 1.5x the white rate. (Since the average American is also bad at math.)

  26. Anon[415] • Disclaimer says:

    I have an Irish friend who illustrates the difficulties most people have with this stuff. My friend is a teacher at an elite private high school and the holder of a degree in economics from a good university, so ostensibly intelligent I guess. I am also Irish, and he told me once that Ireland’s soccer team “is much more representative of Irish society than the country’s rugby team”.

    The soccer team has several West African-origin players despite the black population of the country being perhaps less than 1%. The rugby team is entirely white, reflecting the overwhelming whiteness of the country (I think it’s about 93% white).

    I tried to explain that the soccer team was actually the opposite of what he claimed, and that it was a misleading and distorted representation of Ireland that made it seem like the country was 30% black, and that it was in fact the rugby team that more accurately reflected Irish society.

    It didn’t matter. My disinterested application of demographic reality just went in one ear and out the other. He simply could not grasp my point. He saw black people walk around in central Dublin every day and just assumed they needed to be visible everywhere.

    It’s also curious that the black-white racial dichotomy that has dominated the American consciousness for the last half century has migrated even to the UK and Ireland; nobody cares that East or South Asians are invisible on our screens and sports teams. Blacks are coddled in America so they get coddled by everyone who consumes US media and politics. In much western discourse, anti-racism simply means giving blacks opportunities and free stuff.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Anon


    He saw black people walk around in central Dublin every day
     
    This should have never happened.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Anon

    Ha. Your 93% number was one I happend to have looked up the other day. Only 83% (wiki says) of the country is Irish however, as 10% are White people from eastern Europe. Now that's a hell of a lot better than their being from Nigeria, Pakistan or whatever, of course ... my post started with a picture at the castle in County Kilkenny, in which some local young Moslem ladies were studying on the grounds:

    A man's home is his castle is the title of said post - we were in the country a few weeks back.

    Replies: @Anon

    , @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @Anon


    I tried to explain that the soccer team was actually the opposite of what he claimed, and that it was a misleading and distorted representation of Ireland that made it seem like the country was 30% black, and that it was in fact the rugby team that more accurately reflected Irish society.
     
    Paradoxically, in Ireland and the British Isles the much more violent sport of Rugby Union Football is the province of the upper classes in fee-paying private schools, whereas soccer is the sport favored by the lower classes.

    The Irish first XV has had players of foreign origin - Simon Zebo and Bundee Aki come to mind. But rugby players are going to tend to be the products of elite private educational institutions even if the players have foreign origins - you're more likely to get a foreign origin player from Kenya who went to a private school there which trains in rugby than you are to have a home-grown black kid from low economic status play rugby at a high level. So the IRFU sides are generally the graduates of a handful of boy's rugby powerhouse schools mostly in Leinster and Munster.

    But otherwise you are correct. I lived in Dublin in the 1990s and you really wouldn't see people who didn't look Irish - if you did, they were kids in private schools near the rows of embassies in South Dublin, or people who were likely diplomats or attached to foreign employers with an Irish presence. It's really changed, and not for the better.

    Replies: @International Jew

    , @Anonymous
    @Anon


    It’s also curious that the black-white racial dichotomy that has dominated the American consciousness for the last half century has migrated even to the UK and Ireland;
     
    Good correlation between the domination that you mention and the post-WW II domination of Europe by the US Federal Government.

    There is a good deal of resentment of US domination in Europe, more now that US "sanctions" are destroying the European economy, causing an African famine that will drive yet another wave of African migrants into Europe, and at least threatening spillover of yet another conventional mechanized war into Eastern and Northern Europe.

    Should Europe cut its ties with the US, something that is possible because of heightened European resentment of US forced policies, and an intense domestic politics dispute in the US, Europe might reverse many of the present US enforced policies, and do so quickly.
    4th quarter 2022 seems the most likely time for such a cut, as cold weather, African migration, and short term US political conflict will reach peak salience for US and Europe during that time interval.
    , @AnotherDad
    @Anon


    I am also Irish, and he told me once that Ireland’s soccer team “is much more representative of Irish society than the country’s rugby team”.

    The soccer team has several West African-origin players despite the black population of the country being perhaps less than 1%. The rugby team is entirely white, reflecting the overwhelming whiteness of the country (I think it’s about 93% white).
     
    This is appalling. Not this "economist"'s mathematical cluelessness. No appalling is that Ireland has allowed itself to become over 1% black--looked it up and the 2016 census data say 1.3% and it is probably worse now--and that people are not mad as hell about it.

    This is a disaster. A disaster. You get started like this with a little "diversity" and soon you've gone from being a coherent, pleasant, one-peopleish society ... to a "diverse" contentious multiculti hell hole. You're the US ... on a tiny island with worse weather.

    You don't even have to have hugely negative feelings about blacks. Same with allowing your nation to become 2% Asian--meaning you've got a bunch of non-integral Muslims in there.

    Blacks are coddled in America so they get coddled by everyone who consumes US media and politics.
     
    This.

    This.

    The post-War dominance and power of the US and the universality of English, has allowed American minoritarian propaganda to be pumped out from our universities, news media, politics and, of course, Hollyweird.

    Basically, the enormous wealth and power of the United States--created by hard working white guys--has been used by the people with contempt for exactly those hard working white guys to both fund and put the official imperial stamp-of-approval on their minoritarian, anti-national, anti-white-gentile propaganda.

    It's from America right? Those guys are successful, must work fine ... we can do it too.

    Replies: @Rob McX

  27. @J.Ross
    We should begin to compile "mugged by truth" accounts, redpilled books by classic 60s liberals forced to admit to horror. You have probably seen El Norte or Bust, in which a leftist sociologist admits that many Central Americans are the authors of their own fortunes and are indefensibly awful people. Anon now brings to our attention Left Behind in Rosedale, a 1998 account of a small white Texas town devastated by diversity. It's on Library Genesis. A book by Derb or the like might be dismissed because of the author, but there are other authors.

    Excerpt:

    The Wilding Incidents of 1982
    The term “wilding” became part of the popular vocabulary in 1989 after a gang of New York youths attacked and nearly killed a female jogger in Central Park. The teenagers told police that wilding was a pastime well known to the city’s youth. As used by the New York youth involved, the term means to run around like a pack of wild animals, acting out the most basic and violent inclinations. The youth of Rosedale were engaged in wilding violence long before the New York City incident shocked the nation.
     
    Anon puts in:

    He goes on to describe a series of brutal rapes, murders, robberies and home invasions committed against white elders by black teens. It's mind-boggling once you realize that this exact pattern of crime was happening in every major US city that experienced significant black in-migration in the 60s and 70s. You can find the full book it on Library Genesis.

    Get all your "urbanist" friends to read this book. Without saying it out loud, get them to see that there is a consistent (at least 50 years) pattern of black gang crimes in every city and every country in the world where blacks live in large numbers. The pattern is there. Even the author, a cuck liberal social studies professor at the University of Louisville, couldn't ignore it when he saw it with his own eyes.
     

    Replies: @International Jew, @Cutter, @LP5

    What is “Library Genesis” and how does it work? Will it allow me to see this book without paying the \$45 Amazon charges for it?

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @International Jew

    Go to Libgen, https://www.libgen.is/; type in search & perhaps you'll find what you want. Click on the cover. Then, you'll be led to Get or something. Books (and articles) are in various formats (pdf, epub, mobi,..).

    You can also search for articles.

    https://cloudflare-ipfs.com/ipfs/bafykbzacebsg5ej6dosztv6zwmp4f64zrnjaomelq3ki5tvojpajg4lnlfixs?filename=Scott%20Cummings%20-%20Left%20Behind%20In%20Rosedale_%20Race%20Relations%20And%20The%20Collapse%20Of%20Community%20Institutions-Routledge%20%281998%29.pdf

    Replies: @International Jew

    , @J.Ross
    @International Jew

    "bee dash okay dot kaum" or "gen dot line dot rus dot ec" can get you books without a subscription or membership fee.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @Tristero
    @International Jew

    Another such book source, which sometimes has things not on Libgen, is b-ok.org

  28. @International Jew
    @J.Ross

    What is "Library Genesis" and how does it work? Will it allow me to see this book without paying the $45 Amazon charges for it?

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @J.Ross, @Tristero

    Go to Libgen, https://www.libgen.is/; type in search & perhaps you’ll find what you want. Click on the cover. Then, you’ll be led to Get or something. Books (and articles) are in various formats (pdf, epub, mobi,..).

    You can also search for articles.

    https://cloudflare-ipfs.com/ipfs/bafykbzacebsg5ej6dosztv6zwmp4f64zrnjaomelq3ki5tvojpajg4lnlfixs?filename=Scott%20Cummings%20-%20Left%20Behind%20In%20Rosedale_%20Race%20Relations%20And%20The%20Collapse%20Of%20Community%20Institutions-Routledge%20%281998%29.pdf

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I managed to borrow this book (for one hour but hey it was free) from archive.org. Totally legit, not need to turn to bootleggers and phishing operations.

  29. @Anon
    I have an Irish friend who illustrates the difficulties most people have with this stuff. My friend is a teacher at an elite private high school and the holder of a degree in economics from a good university, so ostensibly intelligent I guess. I am also Irish, and he told me once that Ireland’s soccer team “is much more representative of Irish society than the country’s rugby team”.

    The soccer team has several West African-origin players despite the black population of the country being perhaps less than 1%. The rugby team is entirely white, reflecting the overwhelming whiteness of the country (I think it’s about 93% white).

    I tried to explain that the soccer team was actually the opposite of what he claimed, and that it was a misleading and distorted representation of Ireland that made it seem like the country was 30% black, and that it was in fact the rugby team that more accurately reflected Irish society.

    It didn’t matter. My disinterested application of demographic reality just went in one ear and out the other. He simply could not grasp my point. He saw black people walk around in central Dublin every day and just assumed they needed to be visible everywhere.

    It’s also curious that the black-white racial dichotomy that has dominated the American consciousness for the last half century has migrated even to the UK and Ireland; nobody cares that East or South Asians are invisible on our screens and sports teams. Blacks are coddled in America so they get coddled by everyone who consumes US media and politics. In much western discourse, anti-racism simply means giving blacks opportunities and free stuff.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Achmed E. Newman, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @Anonymous, @AnotherDad

    He saw black people walk around in central Dublin every day

    This should have never happened.

  30. Anon[415] • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    While Americans are aware that Blacks are much more violent than Whites, few are willing to discuss the topic. When you do occasionally find people who want to talk about that, it's usually Blacks or foreigners.

    I don't think the average American White would be offended if you mentioned that Blacks are prone to violence, but they'd be shocked that you're bringing up such a taboo topic.

    I've noticed that if you bring up Black violence, liberals will initially get offended. After you cite a few statistics and sources, then they get quiet and don't say too much.

    Conservatives (and to some extent moderates) will nod along and then mention how the "PC police" won't let us have honest conversations anymore. Sometimes, they'll agree, but then bring up a Black conservative who they like (Clarence Thomas, Ben Carson, Larry Elder, etc).

    Replies: @Anon, @IHTG, @Anon

    People may well acknowledge that blacks are more violent than everyone else, but most will view this as the result of poverty. There’s the mistaken assumption that poverty causes violence rather than supercharged envy and the popularity of a view suggesting economies are zero sum—i.e., blacks are poor because everyone else is rich.

    In other words, white people will get the blame no matter what blacks do.

  31. @IHTG
    @JohnnyWalker123


    Conservatives (and to some extent moderates) will nod along and then mention how the “PC police” won’t let us have honest conversations anymore. Sometimes, they’ll agree, but then bring up a Black conservative who they like (Clarence Thomas, Ben Carson, Larry Elder, etc).
     
    Well, why shouldn't they? Those are people who they like.

    Crime is an all too human phenomenon and the problems of black Americans are human ones. I think the main problem with "race relations" in America is the tendency on all sides to view the disparity between whites and blacks as a difference of kind rather than a difference of degree. The inability to view blacks as just extra-rowdy people, instead of as a species of bizarre violent aliens that requires either coddling or extermination, is literally destroying your civilization.

    Replies: @ThreeCranes, @Gabe Ruth

    “The inability to view blacks as just extra-rowdy people, instead of as a species of bizarre violent aliens that requires either coddling or extermination, is literally destroying your civilization.”

    So, let me get this straight. It’s not the blacks who mercilessly attack someone in a street beatdown sucker punch that lands the victim in the hospital or kills him outright. It’s not the blacks pulling down statues of persons who stood for principles or embodied ideal traits that lie completely beyond black’s ken. It’s not the blacks who call for the destruction of “whiteness”; it’s the whites who have an “inability to view blacks as just extra-rowdy people” who are “literally destroying…civilization”.

    There has to be a label for this complete inversion of reality. If you’re white, you are the living instance, the walking exemplar of what used to be called an “alienated” person. You are completely out of touch with your own self interests, have enshrined a false idol at the center of your Self. Get clear, man! IF YOU DON’T STICK UP FOR YOURSELF, NO ONE WILL. Now strap on your greaves, shoulder your shield, heft your spear, and go out there and FIGHT for your right to do that which you most treasure: a grand project or a beautiful woman or whatever.

    • Replies: @Occasional lurker
    @ThreeCranes

    The post didn't say that at all. I read as the typical mainstream conservative position: Black people are responsible for their behavior and should be treated like anyone else who behaves that way, while traditional liberals try to excuse and coddle them like pets with no responsibility, and alt-right-HBD people see them as members of an alien subspecies who just are that way and cannot be reformed, i e also as people with no responsibility. The post claims that there is a fundamental agreement between liberals (including black activists) and HBD on black people that black people are not humans like other humans, and assumes this is counterproductive for US society.

  32. A couple of commenters noted that the Lyin’ Press has lots to do with people’s erroneous estimates. However, as someone who has not partaken in Iall that in 23 years, I would have to say that I wouldn’t have guessed the ratio to be SO high, without having read iSteve and/or VDare posts.

    It’s hard to say in hindsight, but I’d have probably guessed 3 to 4 x, were I asked this. (I like the skew of the answers in this poll – almost orders of magnitude, which works well, IMO.) There’s the factor that, though I know there are lots of young violent black men, and I have read crime stats, what they do to their own in their hoods does not bother me so much.

  33. @Twinkie

    How do you think the average American would answer this poll? "Roughly, how high is the per capita murder offending rate for blacks compared to non-Hispanic whites?"
     
    If good-thinking whites are reluctant to answer this question, you can elide the “white privilege” factor by asking about the black-Hispanic crime ratio or, better still, black-Asian ratio. Then point out the white-Asian ratio and ask about the apparent “white privilege” that Asians seem to have over whites in this country (1/4 to 1/2 the homicide rate compared to whites).

    And then ask them to condemn this “Asian privilege,” which surely must reveal the poverty, lack of education, lack of opportunity, etc. for whites in this country and what should be done about it.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Good idea, Twinkie. Regarding your prior comment, yeah, why is it that even liberals without children or with grown-up children desire good schools so much? Odd …

    • LOL: kaganovitch
  34. @Anon
    I have an Irish friend who illustrates the difficulties most people have with this stuff. My friend is a teacher at an elite private high school and the holder of a degree in economics from a good university, so ostensibly intelligent I guess. I am also Irish, and he told me once that Ireland’s soccer team “is much more representative of Irish society than the country’s rugby team”.

    The soccer team has several West African-origin players despite the black population of the country being perhaps less than 1%. The rugby team is entirely white, reflecting the overwhelming whiteness of the country (I think it’s about 93% white).

    I tried to explain that the soccer team was actually the opposite of what he claimed, and that it was a misleading and distorted representation of Ireland that made it seem like the country was 30% black, and that it was in fact the rugby team that more accurately reflected Irish society.

    It didn’t matter. My disinterested application of demographic reality just went in one ear and out the other. He simply could not grasp my point. He saw black people walk around in central Dublin every day and just assumed they needed to be visible everywhere.

    It’s also curious that the black-white racial dichotomy that has dominated the American consciousness for the last half century has migrated even to the UK and Ireland; nobody cares that East or South Asians are invisible on our screens and sports teams. Blacks are coddled in America so they get coddled by everyone who consumes US media and politics. In much western discourse, anti-racism simply means giving blacks opportunities and free stuff.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Achmed E. Newman, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @Anonymous, @AnotherDad

    Ha. Your 93% number was one I happend to have looked up the other day. Only 83% (wiki says) of the country is Irish however, as 10% are White people from eastern Europe. Now that’s a hell of a lot better than their being from Nigeria, Pakistan or whatever, of course … my post started with a picture at the castle in County Kilkenny, in which some local young Moslem ladies were studying on the grounds:

    A man’s home is his castle is the title of said post – we were in the country a few weeks back.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Nice write up, thanks for that.

    I’ve accepted the reality of mass immigration and globalism now, but even if the country is flooded by Ukrainians and Poles their children will assimilate more easily than those of Nigerians and Pakistanis. Since they are guaranteed to always be at the lower end of the socioeconomic ladder due to the biological-genetic realities at play (i.e., their position on the left of the bell curve), their descendants will always be resentful and cause social division.

    Allowing in the third world is not just a disaster in the short term, it’s inviting disaster for the next thousand years at least.

  35. @Anon
    @JohnnyWalker123


    I’ve noticed that if you bring up Black violence, liberals will initially get offended. After you cite a few statistics and sources, then they get quiet and don’t say too much.
     
    What are the key statistics and sources to put before them?

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @anon

  36. @International Jew
    @J.Ross

    What is "Library Genesis" and how does it work? Will it allow me to see this book without paying the $45 Amazon charges for it?

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @J.Ross, @Tristero

    “bee dash okay dot kaum” or “gen dot line dot rus dot ec” can get you books without a subscription or membership fee.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @J.Ross

    Line should be lib. Gen dot lib dot rus dot ec. Not sure how that happened. But you should be able to search for it anyway.

  37. anon[573] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    @JohnnyWalker123


    I’ve noticed that if you bring up Black violence, liberals will initially get offended. After you cite a few statistics and sources, then they get quiet and don’t say too much.
     
    What are the key statistics and sources to put before them?

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @anon

    What are the key statistics and sources to put before them?

    Though most libs are impervious to these type of facts, one of my favorite stats is the inter-racial violent crime rates. It turns out that blacks attack whites a lot more than whites attack blacks. In the last few years, the typical numbers are that blacks commit about 500,000 violent assaults against whites while whites commit about 50,000 against blacks. This 10x difference is high, but when you account for the fact that there are roughly 1/5 as many blacks in the population, the overall rate at which blacks attack whites is almost 5000% higher than the rate whites attack blacks.

    It also means that a black rapes, robs, assaults, or kills a white person every 60 seconds in America. How many of those crimes do you ever see on the news?

    • Replies: @David In TN
    @anon

    A point I've made before is that with the sole exception of the O.J. Simpson farce, no black on white murder has ever become a National Morality Play such as Scott-Laci Peterson and Casey Anthony.

    And the MSM's Simpson coverage favored the defense, picked away at the prosecution and for the most part approved the verdict.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @James Speaks
    @anon

    You Tube would offer a solution except … You Tube wokeness precludes this.

    , @Curle
    @anon

    The disparities have been around for a long time:

    “Yet it was a fact universally acknowledged, even among the friends of the race, that the escaped slaves who moved into the southern tier of Pennsylvania counties were notoriously criminal. One report statewide showed the black population ratio at 1:33 and the black crime rate at 1:3. Furthermore, of black criminals, some 66.3 percent had come from slave states. Apologists cited the want of education and work opportunities, as well as the temptations of liquor, all of which certainly contributed to these deplorable statistics.”

    “In some years the black crime rate was four times that of whites. Based on the records of the Eastern State Penitentiary, for the seven years before 1837, blacks committed 36 percent of the criminal acts in Philadelphia, at a time when they represented 9 percent of the city's population. These figures continued at about the same rate over the next ten years and showed only slight improvement up to the Civil War. “

    http://slavenorth.com/pennrace.htm

  38. @R.G. Camara
    I suspect they don't think of it that much. And if they do, they believe its the ratio seen on network TV.

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind, @AnotherDad

    A large part of the TV landscape is Dateline and Court TV, where a typical programs chronicles a white guy who murder his wife and attempt attempts to get it away with it, which he would, were it not for the persistence of a plucky sister-in-law who convinces the Authorities that he did it? One would think there is a veritable epidemic of white-on-white violent crime.

    But a large part of the remaining TV landscape is featuring minority actors, and there is hardly anyone in a TV commercial not from a traditionally underrepresented group?

    At what point will racial equity demand that Dateline and Court TV follow more non-white murder cases?

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Inquiring Mind

    I often watch videos of Dateline, 48 Hours, etc. Personally, I prefer watching cases of whites murdering whites. One of the attractions is that the perp is often someone you'd never expect to kill anybody, such as a quiet suburban housewife who poisons her husband.

    Black violence, on the other hand, is depressingly monotonous and predictable, whether committed against co-ethnics or other races. It's usually senseless and brutish, and the perp is exactly who you would expect it to be.

    If you have a taste for reality shows that offer accurate accounts of black violence, I suggest you watch The First 48. I've watched a few episodes, but it's like seeing the same show over and over again. Stupid people committing senselessly savage murders and attacks.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  39. @J.Ross
    We should begin to compile "mugged by truth" accounts, redpilled books by classic 60s liberals forced to admit to horror. You have probably seen El Norte or Bust, in which a leftist sociologist admits that many Central Americans are the authors of their own fortunes and are indefensibly awful people. Anon now brings to our attention Left Behind in Rosedale, a 1998 account of a small white Texas town devastated by diversity. It's on Library Genesis. A book by Derb or the like might be dismissed because of the author, but there are other authors.

    Excerpt:

    The Wilding Incidents of 1982
    The term “wilding” became part of the popular vocabulary in 1989 after a gang of New York youths attacked and nearly killed a female jogger in Central Park. The teenagers told police that wilding was a pastime well known to the city’s youth. As used by the New York youth involved, the term means to run around like a pack of wild animals, acting out the most basic and violent inclinations. The youth of Rosedale were engaged in wilding violence long before the New York City incident shocked the nation.
     
    Anon puts in:

    He goes on to describe a series of brutal rapes, murders, robberies and home invasions committed against white elders by black teens. It's mind-boggling once you realize that this exact pattern of crime was happening in every major US city that experienced significant black in-migration in the 60s and 70s. You can find the full book it on Library Genesis.

    Get all your "urbanist" friends to read this book. Without saying it out loud, get them to see that there is a consistent (at least 50 years) pattern of black gang crimes in every city and every country in the world where blacks live in large numbers. The pattern is there. Even the author, a cuck liberal social studies professor at the University of Louisville, couldn't ignore it when he saw it with his own eyes.
     

    Replies: @International Jew, @Cutter, @LP5

    I remember the Rosewood Twitter thread. I sent it to a prog and he didn’t care. Most of them don’t.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Cutter

    Exactly. If you are engaged in the fool's errand of arguing politics with a progressive and he asks for some evidence supporting facts you are presenting that he has never seen in the NYT or heard on NPR, and you supply him with that evidence, he'll just shrug. It won't change his mind. As Jonathan Swift noted, "It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into."

  40. I feel like there was a Pew poll some years back where it asked Americans to guess what percentage of the population was gay/lesbian and the average percentage was something like 20%. As with crime, our media and entertainment outlets try very hard to skew the public’s perception.

  41. I think one factor in underestimating the disproportionate nature of black crime is that lots of people grossly overestimate the proportion of blacks in the U.S. population. IIRC, blacks themselves estimate that they’re 40% of the U.S. population, which makes even proportionate representation of blacks in elite institutions and government seem like a deprivation. I think all other demographics tend to similarly overestimate the proportion of blacks as well.

    If you believe that blacks are 40% of the population, blacks committing 50% of the violent crimes is disproportionate but perhaps not so much so that it would justify the social disruption of talking about it plainly for many people. It might even be plausible that the 10% premium is attributable to poverty or a legacy of racism of what have you. You could then duck your head back in a hole and go about your day to day life without it bothering you much.

    But of course blacks are only 12-13% of the population, and the demographic among black which are the all stars of violent crime are late teens through forties males, which is probably 4 or 5% of the total U.S. population committing 50%+ of violent crimes like murder, rape, armed robbery etc.

    • Replies: @Joe Magarac
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)


    IIRC, blacks themselves estimate that they’re 40% of the U.S. population, which makes even proportionate representation of blacks in elite institutions and government seem like a deprivation
     
    40% is about right for Chicago. Most blax have no idea what this country is like. This is also true of most Whites in big cities.

    Replies: @Guest007

  42. @Anon
    I have an Irish friend who illustrates the difficulties most people have with this stuff. My friend is a teacher at an elite private high school and the holder of a degree in economics from a good university, so ostensibly intelligent I guess. I am also Irish, and he told me once that Ireland’s soccer team “is much more representative of Irish society than the country’s rugby team”.

    The soccer team has several West African-origin players despite the black population of the country being perhaps less than 1%. The rugby team is entirely white, reflecting the overwhelming whiteness of the country (I think it’s about 93% white).

    I tried to explain that the soccer team was actually the opposite of what he claimed, and that it was a misleading and distorted representation of Ireland that made it seem like the country was 30% black, and that it was in fact the rugby team that more accurately reflected Irish society.

    It didn’t matter. My disinterested application of demographic reality just went in one ear and out the other. He simply could not grasp my point. He saw black people walk around in central Dublin every day and just assumed they needed to be visible everywhere.

    It’s also curious that the black-white racial dichotomy that has dominated the American consciousness for the last half century has migrated even to the UK and Ireland; nobody cares that East or South Asians are invisible on our screens and sports teams. Blacks are coddled in America so they get coddled by everyone who consumes US media and politics. In much western discourse, anti-racism simply means giving blacks opportunities and free stuff.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Achmed E. Newman, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @Anonymous, @AnotherDad

    I tried to explain that the soccer team was actually the opposite of what he claimed, and that it was a misleading and distorted representation of Ireland that made it seem like the country was 30% black, and that it was in fact the rugby team that more accurately reflected Irish society.

    Paradoxically, in Ireland and the British Isles the much more violent sport of Rugby Union Football is the province of the upper classes in fee-paying private schools, whereas soccer is the sport favored by the lower classes.

    The Irish first XV has had players of foreign origin – Simon Zebo and Bundee Aki come to mind. But rugby players are going to tend to be the products of elite private educational institutions even if the players have foreign origins – you’re more likely to get a foreign origin player from Kenya who went to a private school there which trains in rugby than you are to have a home-grown black kid from low economic status play rugby at a high level. So the IRFU sides are generally the graduates of a handful of boy’s rugby powerhouse schools mostly in Leinster and Munster.

    But otherwise you are correct. I lived in Dublin in the 1990s and you really wouldn’t see people who didn’t look Irish – if you did, they were kids in private schools near the rows of embassies in South Dublin, or people who were likely diplomats or attached to foreign employers with an Irish presence. It’s really changed, and not for the better.

    • Agree: Rob McX
    • Replies: @International Jew
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    Is this "Rugby Union Football" a professional league, ie can one make much money at it? Inasmuch as Rugby resembles American Football, I'd expect blacks to eventually dominate it too, just provided there's sufficient economic incentive.

  43. There are many statistics that fall into the category that most Americans would not get close to guessing.

    1. How many Americans know that the public schools are less than 50% non-Hispanic white and more than 50% are on free lunch.
    2. How many Americans know that the high school graduation rate for 2019 was 74.3% for Native American, 79.6% for Black/African American, 81.7% for Hispanic, 89.4% for White, and 92.6% for Asian students.
    3. How many Americans know that 70% of black children are born to unwed mothers. The real tell on this is the number of people who talk as if black children have a mother and father in their household.
    4. How many Americans know that the U.S. is 12.4% black while 18.7% Hispanic. If one watches TV, movies, sports, one is going to massively overestimate the number of blacks and underestimate Hispanics.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Thanks: Joe Magarac
    • Replies: @ForeverCARealist
    @Guest007

    My daughter is a piano teacher in the burbs of Los Angeles. If you asked her, she'd say the population of California is 100% Asian.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @Guest007

    high school graduation rate for 2019 was 74.3% for Native American, 79.6% for Black/African American, 81.7% for Hispanic,

    And even those figures are inflated by the practice of social promotion--promoting a student to the next grade regardless of if they learned the necessary material or if they are often absent.

    Replies: @Arclight, @Rob McX

  44. @Clyde
    In my mind, the average "good schools" suburb that liberals love is very non-diverse as far as blacks. A black family might be OK, but then their bad juju relatives come to visit and case the neighborhood. My breakdown for the average "good schools" libby suburb is 65% white, 30% Asian, 5% white Hispanic.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    In my mind, the average “good schools” suburb that liberals love is very non-diverse as far as blacks. A black family might be OK, but then their bad juju relatives come to visit and case the neighborhood. My breakdown for the average “good schools” libby suburb is 65% white, 30% Asian, 5% white Hispanic.

    The suburbs in which the liberal ladies who lunch live have curated diversity – the blacks who can manage to buy homes and pay school taxes in those suburbs are pre-selected for temperamental evenness. Every once in a while someone outside of that box manages to enter and problems result – I recall Allen Iverson buying a mansion in Gladwyne and acting like, well, Allen Iverson – having bros come and go, etc. He was not popular with the neighbors during that period.

  45. Has there ever been a survey that asked this question?

    An entry point into a survey that discusses killing ratios should begin with a discussion of race-based differences in the fight or flight response.

    • Replies: @Lockean Proviso
    @James Speaks

    Regarding the same, discussion should also include data on racial differences in having a complete lack of any genes coding for MAO inhibitor production, a strong predictor of impulsive violence that is much more prevalent in blacks than in whites or Asians.

    Replies: @James Speaks

  46. Anon[415] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    @Anon

    Ha. Your 93% number was one I happend to have looked up the other day. Only 83% (wiki says) of the country is Irish however, as 10% are White people from eastern Europe. Now that's a hell of a lot better than their being from Nigeria, Pakistan or whatever, of course ... my post started with a picture at the castle in County Kilkenny, in which some local young Moslem ladies were studying on the grounds:

    A man's home is his castle is the title of said post - we were in the country a few weeks back.

    Replies: @Anon

    Nice write up, thanks for that.

    I’ve accepted the reality of mass immigration and globalism now, but even if the country is flooded by Ukrainians and Poles their children will assimilate more easily than those of Nigerians and Pakistanis. Since they are guaranteed to always be at the lower end of the socioeconomic ladder due to the biological-genetic realities at play (i.e., their position on the left of the bell curve), their descendants will always be resentful and cause social division.

    Allowing in the third world is not just a disaster in the short term, it’s inviting disaster for the next thousand years at least.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  47. @IHTG
    @JohnnyWalker123


    Conservatives (and to some extent moderates) will nod along and then mention how the “PC police” won’t let us have honest conversations anymore. Sometimes, they’ll agree, but then bring up a Black conservative who they like (Clarence Thomas, Ben Carson, Larry Elder, etc).
     
    Well, why shouldn't they? Those are people who they like.

    Crime is an all too human phenomenon and the problems of black Americans are human ones. I think the main problem with "race relations" in America is the tendency on all sides to view the disparity between whites and blacks as a difference of kind rather than a difference of degree. The inability to view blacks as just extra-rowdy people, instead of as a species of bizarre violent aliens that requires either coddling or extermination, is literally destroying your civilization.

    Replies: @ThreeCranes, @Gabe Ruth

    Hope they see this at your show trial bro.

    It sounds nice, but a more accurate statement of the problem would be that the party of coddling has become dominant, ironically due to the ascendancy of harm based morality, and now people who advocate human decency and consistency are tarred as exterminationists, pretty much exactly like you are doing posting your sneering comment here.

    • Replies: @IHTG
    @Gabe Ruth


    It sounds nice, but a more accurate statement of the problem would be that the party of coddling has become dominant
     
    Yeah they have, they're definitely a far bigger problem!
  48. With “Hispanics” (not a race) somewhere in between.

    If the Hispanic category were broken down by race, I strongly suspect the murder stats would closely resemble what it is for other groups.

    But we can never really know because that is utterly prohibited.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Joe Magarac

    You can look at Hispanics in different states: e.g., Connecticut Hispanics are (or were) heavily Puerto Rican.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Joe Magarac, @Jim Bob Lassiter

  49. I would have thought 7X, but I’ll go with 10.

  50. @Guest007
    There are many statistics that fall into the category that most Americans would not get close to guessing.

    1. How many Americans know that the public schools are less than 50% non-Hispanic white and more than 50% are on free lunch.
    2. How many Americans know that the high school graduation rate for 2019 was 74.3% for Native American, 79.6% for Black/African American, 81.7% for Hispanic, 89.4% for White, and 92.6% for Asian students.
    3. How many Americans know that 70% of black children are born to unwed mothers. The real tell on this is the number of people who talk as if black children have a mother and father in their household.
    4. How many Americans know that the U.S. is 12.4% black while 18.7% Hispanic. If one watches TV, movies, sports, one is going to massively overestimate the number of blacks and underestimate Hispanics.

    Replies: @ForeverCARealist, @Harry Baldwin

    My daughter is a piano teacher in the burbs of Los Angeles. If you asked her, she’d say the population of California is 100% Asian.

    • LOL: theMann
    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @ForeverCARealist

    My strings teacher sister-in-law would tell you the same things about the area around Winter Park, FL. With a smattering of desis.

  51. @Joe Magarac
    With "Hispanics" (not a race) somewhere in between.

    If the Hispanic category were broken down by race, I strongly suspect the murder stats would closely resemble what it is for other groups.

    But we can never really know because that is utterly prohibited.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    You can look at Hispanics in different states: e.g., Connecticut Hispanics are (or were) heavily Puerto Rican.

    • Agree: Joe Magarac
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Steve Sailer

    Are the Puerto Ricans of Connecticut pretty much Nuyoricans who stayed out of trouble and saved money?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @Joe Magarac
    @Steve Sailer

    In NYC when I grew up in the 1960s the "three races" were white, black, and Puerto Rican.

    But of course Puerto Ricans, though a recognizable type, are not racially homogeneous.

    , @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @Steve Sailer

    And Brazilians.

  52. @J.Ross
    We should begin to compile "mugged by truth" accounts, redpilled books by classic 60s liberals forced to admit to horror. You have probably seen El Norte or Bust, in which a leftist sociologist admits that many Central Americans are the authors of their own fortunes and are indefensibly awful people. Anon now brings to our attention Left Behind in Rosedale, a 1998 account of a small white Texas town devastated by diversity. It's on Library Genesis. A book by Derb or the like might be dismissed because of the author, but there are other authors.

    Excerpt:

    The Wilding Incidents of 1982
    The term “wilding” became part of the popular vocabulary in 1989 after a gang of New York youths attacked and nearly killed a female jogger in Central Park. The teenagers told police that wilding was a pastime well known to the city’s youth. As used by the New York youth involved, the term means to run around like a pack of wild animals, acting out the most basic and violent inclinations. The youth of Rosedale were engaged in wilding violence long before the New York City incident shocked the nation.
     
    Anon puts in:

    He goes on to describe a series of brutal rapes, murders, robberies and home invasions committed against white elders by black teens. It's mind-boggling once you realize that this exact pattern of crime was happening in every major US city that experienced significant black in-migration in the 60s and 70s. You can find the full book it on Library Genesis.

    Get all your "urbanist" friends to read this book. Without saying it out loud, get them to see that there is a consistent (at least 50 years) pattern of black gang crimes in every city and every country in the world where blacks live in large numbers. The pattern is there. Even the author, a cuck liberal social studies professor at the University of Louisville, couldn't ignore it when he saw it with his own eyes.
     

    Replies: @International Jew, @Cutter, @LP5

    J. Ross writes about:

    “mugged by truth” accounts

    One way to assess the policy arc for large urban area social issues is through the Kübler-Ross 5-step method.

    1. Shock or denial
    2. Anger
    3. Bargaining
    4. Depression
    5. Acceptance

    Or just relocate when able.

  53. @Steve Sailer
    @Joe Magarac

    You can look at Hispanics in different states: e.g., Connecticut Hispanics are (or were) heavily Puerto Rican.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Joe Magarac, @Jim Bob Lassiter

    Are the Puerto Ricans of Connecticut pretty much Nuyoricans who stayed out of trouble and saved money?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @J.Ross

    They pretty much wiped out Hartford, which once was the epitome of WASP probity but you never hear of it anymore.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

  54. @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    I think one factor in underestimating the disproportionate nature of black crime is that lots of people grossly overestimate the proportion of blacks in the U.S. population. IIRC, blacks themselves estimate that they're 40% of the U.S. population, which makes even proportionate representation of blacks in elite institutions and government seem like a deprivation. I think all other demographics tend to similarly overestimate the proportion of blacks as well.

    If you believe that blacks are 40% of the population, blacks committing 50% of the violent crimes is disproportionate but perhaps not so much so that it would justify the social disruption of talking about it plainly for many people. It might even be plausible that the 10% premium is attributable to poverty or a legacy of racism of what have you. You could then duck your head back in a hole and go about your day to day life without it bothering you much.

    But of course blacks are only 12-13% of the population, and the demographic among black which are the all stars of violent crime are late teens through forties males, which is probably 4 or 5% of the total U.S. population committing 50%+ of violent crimes like murder, rape, armed robbery etc.

    Replies: @Joe Magarac

    IIRC, blacks themselves estimate that they’re 40% of the U.S. population, which makes even proportionate representation of blacks in elite institutions and government seem like a deprivation

    40% is about right for Chicago. Most blax have no idea what this country is like. This is also true of most Whites in big cities.

    • Replies: @Guest007
    @Joe Magarac

    Chicago is actually less than 30% black but 28% Latino along being 33% white.

  55. @Steve Sailer
    @Joe Magarac

    You can look at Hispanics in different states: e.g., Connecticut Hispanics are (or were) heavily Puerto Rican.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Joe Magarac, @Jim Bob Lassiter

    In NYC when I grew up in the 1960s the “three races” were white, black, and Puerto Rican.

    But of course Puerto Ricans, though a recognizable type, are not racially homogeneous.

    • Agree: Prester John
  56. Americans have been misinformed on this issue for many years, but that’s the good kind of misinformation (the kind that isn’t true.) only bad misinformation is true.

  57. @J.Ross
    @International Jew

    "bee dash okay dot kaum" or "gen dot line dot rus dot ec" can get you books without a subscription or membership fee.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Line should be lib. Gen dot lib dot rus dot ec. Not sure how that happened. But you should be able to search for it anyway.

  58. @J.Ross
    @Steve Sailer

    Are the Puerto Ricans of Connecticut pretty much Nuyoricans who stayed out of trouble and saved money?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    They pretty much wiped out Hartford, which once was the epitome of WASP probity but you never hear of it anymore.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Steve Sailer

    Hartford: 44.69% Latino

    New Britain: 42.7% Latino

    Bridgeport: 42% Latino

    Waterbury: 36.65% Latino

    Bridgeport, Hartford, and Waterbury are among the five largest cities in the state, all have a population over 100,000. There are a lot of Latinos in CT.

    Replies: @Prester John, @Brutusale

  59. Anonymous[393] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    I have an Irish friend who illustrates the difficulties most people have with this stuff. My friend is a teacher at an elite private high school and the holder of a degree in economics from a good university, so ostensibly intelligent I guess. I am also Irish, and he told me once that Ireland’s soccer team “is much more representative of Irish society than the country’s rugby team”.

    The soccer team has several West African-origin players despite the black population of the country being perhaps less than 1%. The rugby team is entirely white, reflecting the overwhelming whiteness of the country (I think it’s about 93% white).

    I tried to explain that the soccer team was actually the opposite of what he claimed, and that it was a misleading and distorted representation of Ireland that made it seem like the country was 30% black, and that it was in fact the rugby team that more accurately reflected Irish society.

    It didn’t matter. My disinterested application of demographic reality just went in one ear and out the other. He simply could not grasp my point. He saw black people walk around in central Dublin every day and just assumed they needed to be visible everywhere.

    It’s also curious that the black-white racial dichotomy that has dominated the American consciousness for the last half century has migrated even to the UK and Ireland; nobody cares that East or South Asians are invisible on our screens and sports teams. Blacks are coddled in America so they get coddled by everyone who consumes US media and politics. In much western discourse, anti-racism simply means giving blacks opportunities and free stuff.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Achmed E. Newman, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @Anonymous, @AnotherDad

    It’s also curious that the black-white racial dichotomy that has dominated the American consciousness for the last half century has migrated even to the UK and Ireland;

    Good correlation between the domination that you mention and the post-WW II domination of Europe by the US Federal Government.

    There is a good deal of resentment of US domination in Europe, more now that US “sanctions” are destroying the European economy, causing an African famine that will drive yet another wave of African migrants into Europe, and at least threatening spillover of yet another conventional mechanized war into Eastern and Northern Europe.

    Should Europe cut its ties with the US, something that is possible because of heightened European resentment of US forced policies, and an intense domestic politics dispute in the US, Europe might reverse many of the present US enforced policies, and do so quickly.
    4th quarter 2022 seems the most likely time for such a cut, as cold weather, African migration, and short term US political conflict will reach peak salience for US and Europe during that time interval.

  60. @anon
    @Anon


    What are the key statistics and sources to put before them?
     
    Though most libs are impervious to these type of facts, one of my favorite stats is the inter-racial violent crime rates. It turns out that blacks attack whites a lot more than whites attack blacks. In the last few years, the typical numbers are that blacks commit about 500,000 violent assaults against whites while whites commit about 50,000 against blacks. This 10x difference is high, but when you account for the fact that there are roughly 1/5 as many blacks in the population, the overall rate at which blacks attack whites is almost 5000% higher than the rate whites attack blacks.

    It also means that a black rapes, robs, assaults, or kills a white person every 60 seconds in America. How many of those crimes do you ever see on the news?

    Replies: @David In TN, @James Speaks, @Curle

    A point I’ve made before is that with the sole exception of the O.J. Simpson farce, no black on white murder has ever become a National Morality Play such as Scott-Laci Peterson and Casey Anthony.

    And the MSM’s Simpson coverage favored the defense, picked away at the prosecution and for the most part approved the verdict.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @David In TN

    If you say so. My recollection is that New York magazine published a post-mortem which cut Simpson, his admirers, and the jury to ribbons. Steven Brill sliced up Marcia Clark ("She spent days questioning witnesses on whom she should have spent an hour..") and others took Lance Ito to task. Stanley Crouch was one of the few common-and-garden figures I can recall defending the verdict. (His argument was that the chain-of-custody deficits in re the forensic evidence made the prosecution case crucially dependent on the oral testimony of Mark Fuhrman, a man that jury would never trust; Fuhrman maintained Marcia Clark could have called his partner to the stand in his stead but refused to do so for some inane reason).

    Replies: @David In TN

  61. @Cutter
    @J.Ross

    I remember the Rosewood Twitter thread. I sent it to a prog and he didn't care. Most of them don't.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    Exactly. If you are engaged in the fool’s errand of arguing politics with a progressive and he asks for some evidence supporting facts you are presenting that he has never seen in the NYT or heard on NPR, and you supply him with that evidence, he’ll just shrug. It won’t change his mind. As Jonathan Swift noted, “It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.”

  62. @Guest007
    There are many statistics that fall into the category that most Americans would not get close to guessing.

    1. How many Americans know that the public schools are less than 50% non-Hispanic white and more than 50% are on free lunch.
    2. How many Americans know that the high school graduation rate for 2019 was 74.3% for Native American, 79.6% for Black/African American, 81.7% for Hispanic, 89.4% for White, and 92.6% for Asian students.
    3. How many Americans know that 70% of black children are born to unwed mothers. The real tell on this is the number of people who talk as if black children have a mother and father in their household.
    4. How many Americans know that the U.S. is 12.4% black while 18.7% Hispanic. If one watches TV, movies, sports, one is going to massively overestimate the number of blacks and underestimate Hispanics.

    Replies: @ForeverCARealist, @Harry Baldwin

    high school graduation rate for 2019 was 74.3% for Native American, 79.6% for Black/African American, 81.7% for Hispanic,

    And even those figures are inflated by the practice of social promotion–promoting a student to the next grade regardless of if they learned the necessary material or if they are often absent.

    • Replies: @Arclight
    @Harry Baldwin

    Indeed. My city's public school system recently reported a rise in graduation rates and the news piece mentioned a variety of things like spending Covid money on tutoring and whatnot before finally noting that the district adopted a new grading system where the lowest score is a 50%. So now all it takes is a couple of assignments or tests where the teacher gives a generous grade and combined with all the previous half credit scores and voila, a combined grade that's enough for passing.

    , @Rob McX
    @Harry Baldwin

    There's a sentence that sticks in my mind from an article I read about some urban US high school. It's about a black pupil, I forget which grade: "He never graduated to this grade, but he had to be promoted because he became too big for the seats in his old grade".

  63. @Steve Sailer
    @J.Ross

    They pretty much wiped out Hartford, which once was the epitome of WASP probity but you never hear of it anymore.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    Hartford: 44.69% Latino

    New Britain: 42.7% Latino

    Bridgeport: 42% Latino

    Waterbury: 36.65% Latino

    Bridgeport, Hartford, and Waterbury are among the five largest cities in the state, all have a population over 100,000. There are a lot of Latinos in CT.

    • Replies: @Prester John
    @Harry Baldwin

    And CT (where I live) has the largest Puerto Rican population in the US.

    , @Brutusale
    @Harry Baldwin

    Be they black or Hispanic, Connecticut has the highest murder rate in New England.

  64. I hope the people in Midsomer, England get ou while there is still time!

    • LOL: AnotherDad
    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Goatweed

    The problem will solve itself. Half of them will end up murdered and the other half in prison for killing them. Could be a good place to buy property.

  65. @Gabe Ruth
    @IHTG

    Hope they see this at your show trial bro.

    It sounds nice, but a more accurate statement of the problem would be that the party of coddling has become dominant, ironically due to the ascendancy of harm based morality, and now people who advocate human decency and consistency are tarred as exterminationists, pretty much exactly like you are doing posting your sneering comment here.

    Replies: @IHTG

    It sounds nice, but a more accurate statement of the problem would be that the party of coddling has become dominant

    Yeah they have, they’re definitely a far bigger problem!

  66. @SOL
    What is the ratio on Law and Order?

    Replies: @Rich

    I haven’t seen a lot of Law and Order, but what I have seen, the ratio is 100% White criminals with the occasional coloured victim.

  67. I think Jared Taylor has done the maths on all this and reckons that blacks commit murder (and most other crimes) at around 12 times the rate of non-H whites. If someone wanted to do the stats, there’s also the data out for the UK, a report called Race and the Criminal Justice System in 2016. This would be really interesting, if it showed similar rates in the US and the UK among different ethnic groups, regardless of history, slavery etc.

  68. @Harry Baldwin
    @Guest007

    high school graduation rate for 2019 was 74.3% for Native American, 79.6% for Black/African American, 81.7% for Hispanic,

    And even those figures are inflated by the practice of social promotion--promoting a student to the next grade regardless of if they learned the necessary material or if they are often absent.

    Replies: @Arclight, @Rob McX

    Indeed. My city’s public school system recently reported a rise in graduation rates and the news piece mentioned a variety of things like spending Covid money on tutoring and whatnot before finally noting that the district adopted a new grading system where the lowest score is a 50%. So now all it takes is a couple of assignments or tests where the teacher gives a generous grade and combined with all the previous half credit scores and voila, a combined grade that’s enough for passing.

  69. @David In TN
    @anon

    A point I've made before is that with the sole exception of the O.J. Simpson farce, no black on white murder has ever become a National Morality Play such as Scott-Laci Peterson and Casey Anthony.

    And the MSM's Simpson coverage favored the defense, picked away at the prosecution and for the most part approved the verdict.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    If you say so. My recollection is that New York magazine published a post-mortem which cut Simpson, his admirers, and the jury to ribbons. Steven Brill sliced up Marcia Clark (“She spent days questioning witnesses on whom she should have spent an hour..”) and others took Lance Ito to task. Stanley Crouch was one of the few common-and-garden figures I can recall defending the verdict. (His argument was that the chain-of-custody deficits in re the forensic evidence made the prosecution case crucially dependent on the oral testimony of Mark Fuhrman, a man that jury would never trust; Fuhrman maintained Marcia Clark could have called his partner to the stand in his stead but refused to do so for some inane reason).

    • Replies: @David In TN
    @Art Deco

    There was a lot of "now white people know how black people have felt all these years" commentary.

    Yes, there was more criticism of the prosecution during the trial than agreement with the verdict. Jeffrey Toobin wrote in his book on the trial how he and his colleagues were afraid of "being racist" and never wrote "the evidence against Simpson was simply overwhelming."

    The plaintiffs' attorneys in the wrongful death civil suit against Simpson cut Fuhrman out of the case completely. And put on more evidence than the prosecution had in the criminal trial. Daniel Petrocelli, the attorney for the Goldmans, expressed surprise in his book at the evidence Marcia Clark left out.

  70. @Inquiring Mind
    @R.G. Camara

    A large part of the TV landscape is Dateline and Court TV, where a typical programs chronicles a white guy who murder his wife and attempt attempts to get it away with it, which he would, were it not for the persistence of a plucky sister-in-law who convinces the Authorities that he did it? One would think there is a veritable epidemic of white-on-white violent crime.

    But a large part of the remaining TV landscape is featuring minority actors, and there is hardly anyone in a TV commercial not from a traditionally underrepresented group?

    At what point will racial equity demand that Dateline and Court TV follow more non-white murder cases?

    Replies: @Rob McX

    I often watch videos of Dateline, 48 Hours, etc. Personally, I prefer watching cases of whites murdering whites. One of the attractions is that the perp is often someone you’d never expect to kill anybody, such as a quiet suburban housewife who poisons her husband.

    Black violence, on the other hand, is depressingly monotonous and predictable, whether committed against co-ethnics or other races. It’s usually senseless and brutish, and the perp is exactly who you would expect it to be.

    If you have a taste for reality shows that offer accurate accounts of black violence, I suggest you watch The First 48. I’ve watched a few episodes, but it’s like seeing the same show over and over again. Stupid people committing senselessly savage murders and attacks.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Rob McX

    Dateline and 48 Hours are selected from the odd minority of homicides which are (1) premeditated and (2) feature prosperous people killing other prosperous people. It's unusual when people on both sides of the transaction are not well above the median in social strata. Among the 16,000 homicides which occurred in an average year up to 2014, there were just enough to serve as script fodder for these programs. Not quite enough as they have to pad the scripts to make the cases seem more challenging to solve than they were.

    A program like Forensic Files focuses on cases solved by forensic evidence, so gets a more variegated set of perpetrators and victims. It still has a bias, inasmuch is it consists of accounts of solved homicides, which do not include about 2/3 of those which happen among slum dwellers but do include about 90% of those outside the slums. Another source of bias is that the accounts are limited to those cases in which statements from people in the social circle of the perpetrator and victim were not decisive.

    Homicide Hunter focused on cases solved by a police department in a city which encompassed nearly all the tract development in the county in which it was located, so was less dominated by accounts of slum homicide than is ordinarily the case (but does include a great many cases that the Tom Wolfe character called "another Bronx piece-of-shit").

  71. @Harry Baldwin
    @Guest007

    high school graduation rate for 2019 was 74.3% for Native American, 79.6% for Black/African American, 81.7% for Hispanic,

    And even those figures are inflated by the practice of social promotion--promoting a student to the next grade regardless of if they learned the necessary material or if they are often absent.

    Replies: @Arclight, @Rob McX

    There’s a sentence that sticks in my mind from an article I read about some urban US high school. It’s about a black pupil, I forget which grade: “He never graduated to this grade, but he had to be promoted because he became too big for the seats in his old grade”.

  72. @Goatweed
    I hope the people in Midsomer, England get ou while there is still time!

    Replies: @Rob McX

    The problem will solve itself. Half of them will end up murdered and the other half in prison for killing them. Could be a good place to buy property.

    • Agree: Goatweed
  73. Do most White kids go to public schools?
    Did they somehow not learn that Blacks are loud, irrational, and prone to violence?

    Everybody knows what the ratio is, a lot of people have to pretend otherwise; or confront their self-congratulatory moralistic preening as a gigantic lie.

  74. https://www.takimag.com/article/the-last-living-holocaust-mass-murderer/

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @MEH 0910

    Power grab? The left is incoherent except when read as projecting.

    , @AnotherDad
    @MEH 0910

    Soros and Gascon. LOL.

    Two more disasters for Americans whom our National Immigration Safety Board should review and kick out.

    , @bispora
    @MEH 0910

    As a Hungarian guy, I must apologize for Schwartz György...

  75. I think “normies” first of all do not want to hear any data of this kind at all. Their news media accommodates them. They probably sense that the races commit crime at a different rate, but since it’s all due to systemic racism and unfair maldistribution of wealth, why would anyone be so revolting as to look seriously at the facts?

  76. @R.G. Camara
    I suspect they don't think of it that much. And if they do, they believe its the ratio seen on network TV.

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind, @AnotherDad

    I suspect they don’t think of it that much. And if they do, they believe its the ratio seen on network TV.

    Most people know “black areas are trouble” or something like that.

    “Ratio?” “What’s that?”

    Most people are simply not mathematical thinkers at all. They have some handy life rules, but they simply do not think the way Steve thinks, they way I think.

    Ordinarily, I guess, this would not be a huge problem. Because the leaders of a society, a nation usually do not hate it and wish to destroy it. So the rough ideas people have serve “well enough”. But America has an enormous world penetrating propaganda industry of minoritarian lying.

    So if you aren’t someone with a bullshit detector and a “that doesn’t make sense” or “keep doing that and its trouble” mathematical bent, you end up with your brain being buried in bullshit.

    • Replies: @Thomm
    @AnotherDad


    Most people are simply not mathematical thinkers at all. They have some handy life rules, but they simply do not think the way Steve thinks, they way I think.
     
    LOL. To call Steve a 'mathematical thinker' is a stretch, since even he didn't know what nano, pico, giga, and tera meant until he got called on it two years ago. Even though this could be looked up in a few seconds. It is not just the ignorance, but the blissful incuriosity.

    I agree that Steve is a 'mathematical thinker' relative to WN wiggers that comprise his audience. But that is saying absolutely nothing about absolute mathematical aptitude.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Jim, @The Germ Theory of Disease

  77. @Rob McX
    @Inquiring Mind

    I often watch videos of Dateline, 48 Hours, etc. Personally, I prefer watching cases of whites murdering whites. One of the attractions is that the perp is often someone you'd never expect to kill anybody, such as a quiet suburban housewife who poisons her husband.

    Black violence, on the other hand, is depressingly monotonous and predictable, whether committed against co-ethnics or other races. It's usually senseless and brutish, and the perp is exactly who you would expect it to be.

    If you have a taste for reality shows that offer accurate accounts of black violence, I suggest you watch The First 48. I've watched a few episodes, but it's like seeing the same show over and over again. Stupid people committing senselessly savage murders and attacks.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Dateline and 48 Hours are selected from the odd minority of homicides which are (1) premeditated and (2) feature prosperous people killing other prosperous people. It’s unusual when people on both sides of the transaction are not well above the median in social strata. Among the 16,000 homicides which occurred in an average year up to 2014, there were just enough to serve as script fodder for these programs. Not quite enough as they have to pad the scripts to make the cases seem more challenging to solve than they were.

    A program like Forensic Files focuses on cases solved by forensic evidence, so gets a more variegated set of perpetrators and victims. It still has a bias, inasmuch is it consists of accounts of solved homicides, which do not include about 2/3 of those which happen among slum dwellers but do include about 90% of those outside the slums. Another source of bias is that the accounts are limited to those cases in which statements from people in the social circle of the perpetrator and victim were not decisive.

    Homicide Hunter focused on cases solved by a police department in a city which encompassed nearly all the tract development in the county in which it was located, so was less dominated by accounts of slum homicide than is ordinarily the case (but does include a great many cases that the Tom Wolfe character called “another Bronx piece-of-shit”).

    • Agree: Rob McX
  78. I answered 10x higher but that’s based as much on intuition as anything else. For all I know I’m way off. I Googled but never found a straight answer.

    Soooo…what’s the answer?

  79. @Harry Baldwin
    @Steve Sailer

    Hartford: 44.69% Latino

    New Britain: 42.7% Latino

    Bridgeport: 42% Latino

    Waterbury: 36.65% Latino

    Bridgeport, Hartford, and Waterbury are among the five largest cities in the state, all have a population over 100,000. There are a lot of Latinos in CT.

    Replies: @Prester John, @Brutusale

    And CT (where I live) has the largest Puerto Rican population in the US.

  80. @Redneck farmer
    @Reg Cæsar

    Double. 200% would be thrice.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Double. 200% would be thrice.

    200% more, or 200% as? This isn’t pedantry, it’s simple logic. Imagine these words in a contract. I bet you’d have your attorneys read “2 times higher” differently depending on whether you were the “payer” or the “payee”.

  81. @AnotherDad
    @R.G. Camara


    I suspect they don’t think of it that much. And if they do, they believe its the ratio seen on network TV.
     
    Most people know "black areas are trouble" or something like that.

    "Ratio?" "What's that?"

    Most people are simply not mathematical thinkers at all. They have some handy life rules, but they simply do not think the way Steve thinks, they way I think.

    Ordinarily, I guess, this would not be a huge problem. Because the leaders of a society, a nation usually do not hate it and wish to destroy it. So the rough ideas people have serve "well enough". But America has an enormous world penetrating propaganda industry of minoritarian lying.

    So if you aren't someone with a bullshit detector and a "that doesn't make sense" or "keep doing that and its trouble" mathematical bent, you end up with your brain being buried in bullshit.

    Replies: @Thomm

    Most people are simply not mathematical thinkers at all. They have some handy life rules, but they simply do not think the way Steve thinks, they way I think.

    LOL. To call Steve a ‘mathematical thinker’ is a stretch, since even he didn’t know what nano, pico, giga, and tera meant until he got called on it two years ago. Even though this could be looked up in a few seconds. It is not just the ignorance, but the blissful incuriosity.

    I agree that Steve is a ‘mathematical thinker’ relative to WN wiggers that comprise his audience. But that is saying absolutely nothing about absolute mathematical aptitude.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Thomm

    Thomm, your "argument" for why Steve is an inferior mathematical thinker--compared to presumably yourself--consists of
    -- Steve doesn't know some words for some things
    -- name calling other commenters.

    Replies: @Thomm

    , @Jim
    @Thomm

    Knowing what those words mean has absolutely nothing to do with mathematics. The greatest mathematicians in the world might not know what any of those words mean.

    , @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Thomm

    Maybe we should ask Jake the Dog and Finn the Human what they mean when they say "Mathematical!"

  82. @Redneck farmer
    Remember folks, black on black crime doesn't count!

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Reg Cæsar

    Remember folks, black on black crime doesn’t count!

    But it adds up.

    When someone tells you that the factors you cite don’t add up, inform them that factors are not meant to. They multiply up. Or, rather, down, as you multiply the difference from 1.0.

  83. @Anon
    I have an Irish friend who illustrates the difficulties most people have with this stuff. My friend is a teacher at an elite private high school and the holder of a degree in economics from a good university, so ostensibly intelligent I guess. I am also Irish, and he told me once that Ireland’s soccer team “is much more representative of Irish society than the country’s rugby team”.

    The soccer team has several West African-origin players despite the black population of the country being perhaps less than 1%. The rugby team is entirely white, reflecting the overwhelming whiteness of the country (I think it’s about 93% white).

    I tried to explain that the soccer team was actually the opposite of what he claimed, and that it was a misleading and distorted representation of Ireland that made it seem like the country was 30% black, and that it was in fact the rugby team that more accurately reflected Irish society.

    It didn’t matter. My disinterested application of demographic reality just went in one ear and out the other. He simply could not grasp my point. He saw black people walk around in central Dublin every day and just assumed they needed to be visible everywhere.

    It’s also curious that the black-white racial dichotomy that has dominated the American consciousness for the last half century has migrated even to the UK and Ireland; nobody cares that East or South Asians are invisible on our screens and sports teams. Blacks are coddled in America so they get coddled by everyone who consumes US media and politics. In much western discourse, anti-racism simply means giving blacks opportunities and free stuff.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Achmed E. Newman, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @Anonymous, @AnotherDad

    I am also Irish, and he told me once that Ireland’s soccer team “is much more representative of Irish society than the country’s rugby team”.

    The soccer team has several West African-origin players despite the black population of the country being perhaps less than 1%. The rugby team is entirely white, reflecting the overwhelming whiteness of the country (I think it’s about 93% white).

    This is appalling. Not this “economist”‘s mathematical cluelessness. No appalling is that Ireland has allowed itself to become over 1% black–looked it up and the 2016 census data say 1.3% and it is probably worse now–and that people are not mad as hell about it.

    This is a disaster. A disaster. You get started like this with a little “diversity” and soon you’ve gone from being a coherent, pleasant, one-peopleish society … to a “diverse” contentious multiculti hell hole. You’re the US … on a tiny island with worse weather.

    You don’t even have to have hugely negative feelings about blacks. Same with allowing your nation to become 2% Asian–meaning you’ve got a bunch of non-integral Muslims in there.

    Blacks are coddled in America so they get coddled by everyone who consumes US media and politics.

    This.

    This.

    The post-War dominance and power of the US and the universality of English, has allowed American minoritarian propaganda to be pumped out from our universities, news media, politics and, of course, Hollyweird.

    Basically, the enormous wealth and power of the United States–created by hard working white guys–has been used by the people with contempt for exactly those hard working white guys to both fund and put the official imperial stamp-of-approval on their minoritarian, anti-national, anti-white-gentile propaganda.

    It’s from America right? Those guys are successful, must work fine … we can do it too.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @AnotherDad


    This is a disaster. A disaster. You get started like this with a little “diversity” and soon you’ve gone from being a coherent, pleasant, one-peopleish society … to a “diverse” contentious multiculti hell hole.
     
    Same everywhere in Europe in the last 60 or 70 years, as each country in its turn went down the immigration road. They could have learned the lesson from each other. Even before it ever started, they could have learned the lesson from America. Multiracialism is to be avoided. At the very best, it's an unavoidable evil, where a place was already occupied by different races before a nation was founded.

    One of the tricks of pro-immigration propaganda is to flatter people into thinking they're morally superior to those who haven't made multiracialism work. It's always the fault of racists, and never because of the impossibility of making it work.

    Europeans were convinced they could do things better than Americans with their Jim Crow laws, guns, and a constitutional amendment that guarantees the right to hate speech. Irish people thought they could succeed where Britain, with the legacy of its imperialist past, had failed.

    The irony here is that whites can be convinced of significant differences amongst themselves (e.g. racist Americans vs tolerant Europeans), while simultaneously being made to believe there's no major difference between whites and non-whites.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Anonymous, @ytcarl

  84. @Joe Magarac
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)


    IIRC, blacks themselves estimate that they’re 40% of the U.S. population, which makes even proportionate representation of blacks in elite institutions and government seem like a deprivation
     
    40% is about right for Chicago. Most blax have no idea what this country is like. This is also true of most Whites in big cities.

    Replies: @Guest007

    Chicago is actually less than 30% black but 28% Latino along being 33% white.

  85. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/BillFOXLA/status/1559316078232322050
    https://twitter.com/GeorgeGascon/status/1559298298053177344

    https://www.takimag.com/article/the-last-living-holocaust-mass-murderer/
    https://twitter.com/DavidColeStein/status/1559581632624922624

    Replies: @J.Ross, @AnotherDad, @bispora

    Power grab? The left is incoherent except when read as projecting.

  86. @AnotherDad
    @Anon


    I am also Irish, and he told me once that Ireland’s soccer team “is much more representative of Irish society than the country’s rugby team”.

    The soccer team has several West African-origin players despite the black population of the country being perhaps less than 1%. The rugby team is entirely white, reflecting the overwhelming whiteness of the country (I think it’s about 93% white).
     
    This is appalling. Not this "economist"'s mathematical cluelessness. No appalling is that Ireland has allowed itself to become over 1% black--looked it up and the 2016 census data say 1.3% and it is probably worse now--and that people are not mad as hell about it.

    This is a disaster. A disaster. You get started like this with a little "diversity" and soon you've gone from being a coherent, pleasant, one-peopleish society ... to a "diverse" contentious multiculti hell hole. You're the US ... on a tiny island with worse weather.

    You don't even have to have hugely negative feelings about blacks. Same with allowing your nation to become 2% Asian--meaning you've got a bunch of non-integral Muslims in there.

    Blacks are coddled in America so they get coddled by everyone who consumes US media and politics.
     
    This.

    This.

    The post-War dominance and power of the US and the universality of English, has allowed American minoritarian propaganda to be pumped out from our universities, news media, politics and, of course, Hollyweird.

    Basically, the enormous wealth and power of the United States--created by hard working white guys--has been used by the people with contempt for exactly those hard working white guys to both fund and put the official imperial stamp-of-approval on their minoritarian, anti-national, anti-white-gentile propaganda.

    It's from America right? Those guys are successful, must work fine ... we can do it too.

    Replies: @Rob McX

    This is a disaster. A disaster. You get started like this with a little “diversity” and soon you’ve gone from being a coherent, pleasant, one-peopleish society … to a “diverse” contentious multiculti hell hole.

    Same everywhere in Europe in the last 60 or 70 years, as each country in its turn went down the immigration road. They could have learned the lesson from each other. Even before it ever started, they could have learned the lesson from America. Multiracialism is to be avoided. At the very best, it’s an unavoidable evil, where a place was already occupied by different races before a nation was founded.

    One of the tricks of pro-immigration propaganda is to flatter people into thinking they’re morally superior to those who haven’t made multiracialism work. It’s always the fault of racists, and never because of the impossibility of making it work.

    Europeans were convinced they could do things better than Americans with their Jim Crow laws, guns, and a constitutional amendment that guarantees the right to hate speech. Irish people thought they could succeed where Britain, with the legacy of its imperialist past, had failed.

    The irony here is that whites can be convinced of significant differences amongst themselves (e.g. racist Americans vs tolerant Europeans), while simultaneously being made to believe there’s no major difference between whites and non-whites.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Rob McX


    Same everywhere in Europe in the last 60 or 70 years, as each country in its turn went down the immigration road. They could have learned the lesson from each other. Even before it ever started, they could have learned the lesson from America. Multiracialism is to be avoided. At the very best, it’s an unavoidable evil, where a place was already occupied by different races before a nation was founded.
     
    Don't know about his anecdote, but it's hard to beat, Enoch Powell's "Rivers of Blood" speech for just sheer conservative good sense.

    The supreme function of statesmanship is to provide against preventable evils. In seeking to do so, it encounters obstacles which are deeply rooted in human nature.

    One is that by the very order of things such evils are not demonstrable until they have occurred: at each stage in their onset there is room for doubt and for dispute whether they be real or imaginary. By the same token, they attract little attention in comparison with current troubles, which are both indisputable and pressing: whence the besetting temptation of all politics to concern itself with the immediate present at the expense of the future.
     

    I simply do not have the right to shrug my shoulders and think about something else. What he is saying, thousands and hundreds of thousands are saying and thinking - not throughout Great Britain, perhaps, but in the areas that are already undergoing the total transformation to which there is no parallel in a thousand years of English history.
     
    The meaning of responsibility. Of leadership. This guy is an actual man. A leader.

    In 15 or 20 years, on present trends, there will be in this country three and a half million Commonwealth immigrants and their descendants. That is not my figure. That is the official figure given to parliament by the spokesman of the Registrar General's Office.

    There is no comparable official figure for the year 2000, but it must be in the region of five to seven million, approximately one-tenth of the whole population, and approaching that of Greater London. Of course, it will not be evenly distributed from Margate to Aberystwyth and from Penzance to Aberdeen. Whole areas, towns and parts of towns across England will be occupied by sections of the immigrant and immigrant-descended population.

    As time goes on, the proportion of this total who are immigrant descendants, those born in England, who arrived here by exactly the same route as the rest of us, will rapidly increase.
     
    Can actually do math. Can actually project from some policy today and understand what it portends for the future.

    The third element of the Conservative Party's policy is that all who are in this country as citizens should be equal before the law and that there shall be no discrimination or difference made between them by public authority. As Mr Heath has put it we will have no "first-class citizens" and "second-class citizens." This does not mean that the immigrant and his descendent should be elevated into a privileged or special class or that the citizen should be denied his right to discriminate in the management of his own affairs between one fellow-citizen and another or that he should be subjected to imposition as to his reasons and motive for behaving in one lawful manner rather than another.
     
    Understands freedom of association. And the busybody super-state.


    There could be no grosser misconception of the realities than is entertained by those who vociferously demand legislation as they call it "against discrimination", whether they be leader-writers of the same kidney and sometimes on the same newspapers which year after year in the 1930s tried to blind this country to the rising peril which confronted it, or archbishops who live in palaces, faring delicately with the bedclothes pulled right up over their heads. They have got it exactly and diametrically wrong.

    The discrimination and the deprivation, the sense of alarm and of resentment, lies not with the immigrant population but with those among whom they have come and are still coming.
     
    Understands freedom of association and the attack upon those fundamental rights by minoritarianism.


    Nothing is more misleading than comparison between the Commonwealth immigrant in Britain and the American Negro. The Negro population of the United States, which was already in existence before the United States became a nation, started literally as slaves and were later given the franchise and other rights of citizenship, to the exercise of which they have only gradually and still incompletely come.
     
    Has eyes. And a brain. Is able to learn from others. Can draw distinctions.


    The Commonwealth immigrant came to Britain as a full citizen, to a country which knew no discrimination between one citizen and another, and he entered instantly into the possession of the rights of every citizen, from the vote to free treatment under the National Health Service.

    Whatever drawbacks attended the immigrants arose not from the law or from public policy or from administration, but from those personal circumstances and accidents which cause, and always will cause, the fortunes and experience of one man to be different from another's.
     
    Understands nature. Rejects the blank slate.

    Now we are seeing the growth of positive forces acting against integration, of vested interests in the preservation and sharpening of racial and religious differences, with a view to the exercise of actual domination, first over fellow-immigrants and then over the rest of the population. The cloud no bigger than a man's hand, that can so rapidly overcast the sky, has been visible recently in Wolverhampton and has shown signs of spreading quickly. The words I am about to use, verbatim as they appeared in the local press on 17 February, are not mine, but those of a Labour Member of Parliament who is a minister in the present government:

    'The Sikh communities' campaign to maintain customs inappropriate in Britain is much to be regretted. Working in Britain, particularly in the public services, they should be prepared to accept the terms and conditions of their employment. To claim special communal rights (or should one say rites?) leads to a dangerous fragmentation within society. This communalism is a canker; whether practised by one colour or another it is to be strongly condemned.'
     
    Understands minoritarianism. And its evil.

    ~~~

    Where is our Enoch Powell? Where?

    Replies: @Anon, @Edward Dett

    , @Anonymous
    @Rob McX


    Same everywhere in Europe in the last 60 or 70 years, as each country in its turn went down the immigration road. They could have learned the lesson from each other. Even before it ever started, they could have learned the lesson from America. Multiracialism is to be avoided.
     
    Couldn’t the Europeans have learned the lesson from World War I (or World War II)?
    , @ytcarl
    @Rob McX

    I seem to remember a certain smug tone from European publications in the 80s and 90s regarding race relations in America. There was much clucking over the native white deplorables -- the cause of all of America's racial problems -- with the implication that Europeans would handle race relations so much better.

    Strangely, I think there may have been some envy (America being so vibrant and all), and wonder if that led to some of Europe's later, more disastrous immigration policies.

    I'm not hearing the same smug tone nowadays, however.

    Replies: @AceDeuce, @Peter Akuleyev

  87. We did this kind of study before, not for America, but the Netherlands. Yes, normies underestimate the crime rate ratios. We didn’t use murder rate ratio, as this is too rare.

    Video summary

    Paper, click More then Download
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/352392839_A_study_of_stereotype_accuracy_in_the_Netherlands_immigrant_crime_occupational_sex_distribution_and_provincial_income_inequality

    • Thanks: Chrisnonymous
  88. @Art Deco
    @David In TN

    If you say so. My recollection is that New York magazine published a post-mortem which cut Simpson, his admirers, and the jury to ribbons. Steven Brill sliced up Marcia Clark ("She spent days questioning witnesses on whom she should have spent an hour..") and others took Lance Ito to task. Stanley Crouch was one of the few common-and-garden figures I can recall defending the verdict. (His argument was that the chain-of-custody deficits in re the forensic evidence made the prosecution case crucially dependent on the oral testimony of Mark Fuhrman, a man that jury would never trust; Fuhrman maintained Marcia Clark could have called his partner to the stand in his stead but refused to do so for some inane reason).

    Replies: @David In TN

    There was a lot of “now white people know how black people have felt all these years” commentary.

    Yes, there was more criticism of the prosecution during the trial than agreement with the verdict. Jeffrey Toobin wrote in his book on the trial how he and his colleagues were afraid of “being racist” and never wrote “the evidence against Simpson was simply overwhelming.”

    The plaintiffs’ attorneys in the wrongful death civil suit against Simpson cut Fuhrman out of the case completely. And put on more evidence than the prosecution had in the criminal trial. Daniel Petrocelli, the attorney for the Goldmans, expressed surprise in his book at the evidence Marcia Clark left out.

  89. @Thomm
    @AnotherDad


    Most people are simply not mathematical thinkers at all. They have some handy life rules, but they simply do not think the way Steve thinks, they way I think.
     
    LOL. To call Steve a 'mathematical thinker' is a stretch, since even he didn't know what nano, pico, giga, and tera meant until he got called on it two years ago. Even though this could be looked up in a few seconds. It is not just the ignorance, but the blissful incuriosity.

    I agree that Steve is a 'mathematical thinker' relative to WN wiggers that comprise his audience. But that is saying absolutely nothing about absolute mathematical aptitude.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Jim, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Thomm, your “argument” for why Steve is an inferior mathematical thinker–compared to presumably yourself–consists of
    — Steve doesn’t know some words for some things
    — name calling other commenters.

    • Replies: @Thomm
    @AnotherDad

    My argument is rock-solid. Knowing the basic order of magnitude prefixed for large numbers, which are in Greek (or in the case of 'pico', Spanish) is very, very rudimentary for anyone who aspires to any sort of mathematical competence. To deny otherwise is just basic 80-IQ default behavior, which surprises me in your case as I always considered you to be among the smarter commenters here (I have never called you a 'wigger' specifically).

    Btw, you need to spend less time on the Internet. Did you know that you comment on TUR about 10-12 times as much as I do?

    From the commenter histories :

    AnotherDad :
    Year 2022 : 1676 comments to date
    Year 2021 : 2261 comments
    Year 2020 : 2395 comments

    Thomm :
    Year 2022 : 148 comments to date
    Year 2021 : 196 comments
    Year 2020 : 361 comments

    So you comment here 10-12 times more often than I do, depending how you measure it. It is even more if you account for many of my comments being repeat postings of poems and songs I have written. If we take just original comments, then from 1/1/2020-present, you commented here 20 times as much as I did.

    Given your advanced age, isn't there something else you would rather spend your time on? Or is it true that after the kids leave home and the old folks are empty nesters, older men find a variety of ways to avoid interacting with their wives?

    I find it unfortunate, that with the sand emptying out of the upper half of the hourglass quickly, this is where you spend your waking hours. At least Steve can solicit donations. You can't.

  90. @ginger bread man
    Some would say that whites commit more gun crimes.

    An interesting follow up study would be the breakdown of how much media attention is given to gun crimes by race and whether it’s in proportion to the true racial breakdown of such crimes. My impression, much like Steve has pointed out about Law and Order SVU, is that white homicides and gun crimes in general are reported not only far more than their proportion in the actual real world, but perhaps make up over 50% of all coverage. This would lead the average NY times reader believing that whites commit over 50% of gun homicides, which would make sense since all races commit gun crimes at roughly equal rates.

    Replies: @Rooster16, @Veteran Aryan, @Revelation

    You hit the nail on the head. There’s a war going on right now, a war for your mind. The propaganda is so thick, most people have stopped thinking critically; pattern recognition has been turned into a thought crime. Your average White understands black homicide rates are higher, they just cannot grasp how high. They are bombarded with shows like SVU, Law & Order, the Nightly News, even entire channels dedicated to crime like I.D… and all these shows sensationalize White crime very disproportionately to black crime. After watching these programs nonstop, they’re left thinking “see Whites commit terrible crimes too” and that’s exactly what the programmers want. If you’re average White knew how dangerous the black population is, they wouldn’t live within a 100 miles of them.

  91. @AnotherDad
    @Thomm

    Thomm, your "argument" for why Steve is an inferior mathematical thinker--compared to presumably yourself--consists of
    -- Steve doesn't know some words for some things
    -- name calling other commenters.

    Replies: @Thomm

    My argument is rock-solid. Knowing the basic order of magnitude prefixed for large numbers, which are in Greek (or in the case of ‘pico’, Spanish) is very, very rudimentary for anyone who aspires to any sort of mathematical competence. To deny otherwise is just basic 80-IQ default behavior, which surprises me in your case as I always considered you to be among the smarter commenters here (I have never called you a ‘wigger’ specifically).

    Btw, you need to spend less time on the Internet. Did you know that you comment on TUR about 10-12 times as much as I do?

    From the commenter histories :

    AnotherDad :
    Year 2022 : 1676 comments to date
    Year 2021 : 2261 comments
    Year 2020 : 2395 comments

    Thomm :
    Year 2022 : 148 comments to date
    Year 2021 : 196 comments
    Year 2020 : 361 comments

    So you comment here 10-12 times more often than I do, depending how you measure it. It is even more if you account for many of my comments being repeat postings of poems and songs I have written. If we take just original comments, then from 1/1/2020-present, you commented here 20 times as much as I did.

    Given your advanced age, isn’t there something else you would rather spend your time on? Or is it true that after the kids leave home and the old folks are empty nesters, older men find a variety of ways to avoid interacting with their wives?

    I find it unfortunate, that with the sand emptying out of the upper half of the hourglass quickly, this is where you spend your waking hours. At least Steve can solicit donations. You can’t.

  92. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/BillFOXLA/status/1559316078232322050
    https://twitter.com/GeorgeGascon/status/1559298298053177344

    https://www.takimag.com/article/the-last-living-holocaust-mass-murderer/
    https://twitter.com/DavidColeStein/status/1559581632624922624

    Replies: @J.Ross, @AnotherDad, @bispora

    Soros and Gascon. LOL.

    Two more disasters for Americans whom our National Immigration Safety Board should review and kick out.

  93. *basic order of magnitude prefixes for extremely large and small decimal numbers

  94. @Rob McX
    @AnotherDad


    This is a disaster. A disaster. You get started like this with a little “diversity” and soon you’ve gone from being a coherent, pleasant, one-peopleish society … to a “diverse” contentious multiculti hell hole.
     
    Same everywhere in Europe in the last 60 or 70 years, as each country in its turn went down the immigration road. They could have learned the lesson from each other. Even before it ever started, they could have learned the lesson from America. Multiracialism is to be avoided. At the very best, it's an unavoidable evil, where a place was already occupied by different races before a nation was founded.

    One of the tricks of pro-immigration propaganda is to flatter people into thinking they're morally superior to those who haven't made multiracialism work. It's always the fault of racists, and never because of the impossibility of making it work.

    Europeans were convinced they could do things better than Americans with their Jim Crow laws, guns, and a constitutional amendment that guarantees the right to hate speech. Irish people thought they could succeed where Britain, with the legacy of its imperialist past, had failed.

    The irony here is that whites can be convinced of significant differences amongst themselves (e.g. racist Americans vs tolerant Europeans), while simultaneously being made to believe there's no major difference between whites and non-whites.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Anonymous, @ytcarl

    Same everywhere in Europe in the last 60 or 70 years, as each country in its turn went down the immigration road. They could have learned the lesson from each other. Even before it ever started, they could have learned the lesson from America. Multiracialism is to be avoided. At the very best, it’s an unavoidable evil, where a place was already occupied by different races before a nation was founded.

    Don’t know about his anecdote, but it’s hard to beat, Enoch Powell’s “Rivers of Blood” speech for just sheer conservative good sense.

    The supreme function of statesmanship is to provide against preventable evils. In seeking to do so, it encounters obstacles which are deeply rooted in human nature.

    One is that by the very order of things such evils are not demonstrable until they have occurred: at each stage in their onset there is room for doubt and for dispute whether they be real or imaginary. By the same token, they attract little attention in comparison with current troubles, which are both indisputable and pressing: whence the besetting temptation of all politics to concern itself with the immediate present at the expense of the future.

    I simply do not have the right to shrug my shoulders and think about something else. What he is saying, thousands and hundreds of thousands are saying and thinking – not throughout Great Britain, perhaps, but in the areas that are already undergoing the total transformation to which there is no parallel in a thousand years of English history.

    The meaning of responsibility. Of leadership. This guy is an actual man. A leader.

    In 15 or 20 years, on present trends, there will be in this country three and a half million Commonwealth immigrants and their descendants. That is not my figure. That is the official figure given to parliament by the spokesman of the Registrar General’s Office.

    There is no comparable official figure for the year 2000, but it must be in the region of five to seven million, approximately one-tenth of the whole population, and approaching that of Greater London. Of course, it will not be evenly distributed from Margate to Aberystwyth and from Penzance to Aberdeen. Whole areas, towns and parts of towns across England will be occupied by sections of the immigrant and immigrant-descended population.

    As time goes on, the proportion of this total who are immigrant descendants, those born in England, who arrived here by exactly the same route as the rest of us, will rapidly increase.

    Can actually do math. Can actually project from some policy today and understand what it portends for the future.

    The third element of the Conservative Party’s policy is that all who are in this country as citizens should be equal before the law and that there shall be no discrimination or difference made between them by public authority. As Mr Heath has put it we will have no “first-class citizens” and “second-class citizens.” This does not mean that the immigrant and his descendent should be elevated into a privileged or special class or that the citizen should be denied his right to discriminate in the management of his own affairs between one fellow-citizen and another or that he should be subjected to imposition as to his reasons and motive for behaving in one lawful manner rather than another.

    Understands freedom of association. And the busybody super-state.

    There could be no grosser misconception of the realities than is entertained by those who vociferously demand legislation as they call it “against discrimination”, whether they be leader-writers of the same kidney and sometimes on the same newspapers which year after year in the 1930s tried to blind this country to the rising peril which confronted it, or archbishops who live in palaces, faring delicately with the bedclothes pulled right up over their heads. They have got it exactly and diametrically wrong.

    The discrimination and the deprivation, the sense of alarm and of resentment, lies not with the immigrant population but with those among whom they have come and are still coming.

    Understands freedom of association and the attack upon those fundamental rights by minoritarianism.

    Nothing is more misleading than comparison between the Commonwealth immigrant in Britain and the American Negro. The Negro population of the United States, which was already in existence before the United States became a nation, started literally as slaves and were later given the franchise and other rights of citizenship, to the exercise of which they have only gradually and still incompletely come.

    Has eyes. And a brain. Is able to learn from others. Can draw distinctions.

    The Commonwealth immigrant came to Britain as a full citizen, to a country which knew no discrimination between one citizen and another, and he entered instantly into the possession of the rights of every citizen, from the vote to free treatment under the National Health Service.

    Whatever drawbacks attended the immigrants arose not from the law or from public policy or from administration, but from those personal circumstances and accidents which cause, and always will cause, the fortunes and experience of one man to be different from another’s.

    Understands nature. Rejects the blank slate.

    Now we are seeing the growth of positive forces acting against integration, of vested interests in the preservation and sharpening of racial and religious differences, with a view to the exercise of actual domination, first over fellow-immigrants and then over the rest of the population. The cloud no bigger than a man’s hand, that can so rapidly overcast the sky, has been visible recently in Wolverhampton and has shown signs of spreading quickly. The words I am about to use, verbatim as they appeared in the local press on 17 February, are not mine, but those of a Labour Member of Parliament who is a minister in the present government:

    ‘The Sikh communities’ campaign to maintain customs inappropriate in Britain is much to be regretted. Working in Britain, particularly in the public services, they should be prepared to accept the terms and conditions of their employment. To claim special communal rights (or should one say rites?) leads to a dangerous fragmentation within society. This communalism is a canker; whether practised by one colour or another it is to be strongly condemned.’

    Understands minoritarianism. And its evil.

    ~~~

    Where is our Enoch Powell? Where?

    • Replies: @Anon
    @AnotherDad


    Where is our Enoch Powell? Where?
     
    His name is Ricky Vaughn. He is being prosecuted in Florida by the DOJ.
    , @Edward Dett
    @AnotherDad

    Consider Carl Benjamin's essay "Five False Assumptions of Liberalism" on Lotus Eaters website and YouTube interviews about the essay.

  95. @ginger bread man
    Some would say that whites commit more gun crimes.

    An interesting follow up study would be the breakdown of how much media attention is given to gun crimes by race and whether it’s in proportion to the true racial breakdown of such crimes. My impression, much like Steve has pointed out about Law and Order SVU, is that white homicides and gun crimes in general are reported not only far more than their proportion in the actual real world, but perhaps make up over 50% of all coverage. This would lead the average NY times reader believing that whites commit over 50% of gun homicides, which would make sense since all races commit gun crimes at roughly equal rates.

    Replies: @Rooster16, @Veteran Aryan, @Revelation

    Some would say that whites commit more gun crimes.

    You’ve fallen for the “gun violence” semantics trickery. “Gun violence” adds suicide to the numbers, a category dominated by whites.

  96. @Thomm
    @AnotherDad


    Most people are simply not mathematical thinkers at all. They have some handy life rules, but they simply do not think the way Steve thinks, they way I think.
     
    LOL. To call Steve a 'mathematical thinker' is a stretch, since even he didn't know what nano, pico, giga, and tera meant until he got called on it two years ago. Even though this could be looked up in a few seconds. It is not just the ignorance, but the blissful incuriosity.

    I agree that Steve is a 'mathematical thinker' relative to WN wiggers that comprise his audience. But that is saying absolutely nothing about absolute mathematical aptitude.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Jim, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Knowing what those words mean has absolutely nothing to do with mathematics. The greatest mathematicians in the world might not know what any of those words mean.

  97. Anonymous[238] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rob McX
    @AnotherDad


    This is a disaster. A disaster. You get started like this with a little “diversity” and soon you’ve gone from being a coherent, pleasant, one-peopleish society … to a “diverse” contentious multiculti hell hole.
     
    Same everywhere in Europe in the last 60 or 70 years, as each country in its turn went down the immigration road. They could have learned the lesson from each other. Even before it ever started, they could have learned the lesson from America. Multiracialism is to be avoided. At the very best, it's an unavoidable evil, where a place was already occupied by different races before a nation was founded.

    One of the tricks of pro-immigration propaganda is to flatter people into thinking they're morally superior to those who haven't made multiracialism work. It's always the fault of racists, and never because of the impossibility of making it work.

    Europeans were convinced they could do things better than Americans with their Jim Crow laws, guns, and a constitutional amendment that guarantees the right to hate speech. Irish people thought they could succeed where Britain, with the legacy of its imperialist past, had failed.

    The irony here is that whites can be convinced of significant differences amongst themselves (e.g. racist Americans vs tolerant Europeans), while simultaneously being made to believe there's no major difference between whites and non-whites.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Anonymous, @ytcarl

    Same everywhere in Europe in the last 60 or 70 years, as each country in its turn went down the immigration road. They could have learned the lesson from each other. Even before it ever started, they could have learned the lesson from America. Multiracialism is to be avoided.

    Couldn’t the Europeans have learned the lesson from World War I (or World War II)?

  98. @AnotherDad
    @Rob McX


    Same everywhere in Europe in the last 60 or 70 years, as each country in its turn went down the immigration road. They could have learned the lesson from each other. Even before it ever started, they could have learned the lesson from America. Multiracialism is to be avoided. At the very best, it’s an unavoidable evil, where a place was already occupied by different races before a nation was founded.
     
    Don't know about his anecdote, but it's hard to beat, Enoch Powell's "Rivers of Blood" speech for just sheer conservative good sense.

    The supreme function of statesmanship is to provide against preventable evils. In seeking to do so, it encounters obstacles which are deeply rooted in human nature.

    One is that by the very order of things such evils are not demonstrable until they have occurred: at each stage in their onset there is room for doubt and for dispute whether they be real or imaginary. By the same token, they attract little attention in comparison with current troubles, which are both indisputable and pressing: whence the besetting temptation of all politics to concern itself with the immediate present at the expense of the future.
     

    I simply do not have the right to shrug my shoulders and think about something else. What he is saying, thousands and hundreds of thousands are saying and thinking - not throughout Great Britain, perhaps, but in the areas that are already undergoing the total transformation to which there is no parallel in a thousand years of English history.
     
    The meaning of responsibility. Of leadership. This guy is an actual man. A leader.

    In 15 or 20 years, on present trends, there will be in this country three and a half million Commonwealth immigrants and their descendants. That is not my figure. That is the official figure given to parliament by the spokesman of the Registrar General's Office.

    There is no comparable official figure for the year 2000, but it must be in the region of five to seven million, approximately one-tenth of the whole population, and approaching that of Greater London. Of course, it will not be evenly distributed from Margate to Aberystwyth and from Penzance to Aberdeen. Whole areas, towns and parts of towns across England will be occupied by sections of the immigrant and immigrant-descended population.

    As time goes on, the proportion of this total who are immigrant descendants, those born in England, who arrived here by exactly the same route as the rest of us, will rapidly increase.
     
    Can actually do math. Can actually project from some policy today and understand what it portends for the future.

    The third element of the Conservative Party's policy is that all who are in this country as citizens should be equal before the law and that there shall be no discrimination or difference made between them by public authority. As Mr Heath has put it we will have no "first-class citizens" and "second-class citizens." This does not mean that the immigrant and his descendent should be elevated into a privileged or special class or that the citizen should be denied his right to discriminate in the management of his own affairs between one fellow-citizen and another or that he should be subjected to imposition as to his reasons and motive for behaving in one lawful manner rather than another.
     
    Understands freedom of association. And the busybody super-state.


    There could be no grosser misconception of the realities than is entertained by those who vociferously demand legislation as they call it "against discrimination", whether they be leader-writers of the same kidney and sometimes on the same newspapers which year after year in the 1930s tried to blind this country to the rising peril which confronted it, or archbishops who live in palaces, faring delicately with the bedclothes pulled right up over their heads. They have got it exactly and diametrically wrong.

    The discrimination and the deprivation, the sense of alarm and of resentment, lies not with the immigrant population but with those among whom they have come and are still coming.
     
    Understands freedom of association and the attack upon those fundamental rights by minoritarianism.


    Nothing is more misleading than comparison between the Commonwealth immigrant in Britain and the American Negro. The Negro population of the United States, which was already in existence before the United States became a nation, started literally as slaves and were later given the franchise and other rights of citizenship, to the exercise of which they have only gradually and still incompletely come.
     
    Has eyes. And a brain. Is able to learn from others. Can draw distinctions.


    The Commonwealth immigrant came to Britain as a full citizen, to a country which knew no discrimination between one citizen and another, and he entered instantly into the possession of the rights of every citizen, from the vote to free treatment under the National Health Service.

    Whatever drawbacks attended the immigrants arose not from the law or from public policy or from administration, but from those personal circumstances and accidents which cause, and always will cause, the fortunes and experience of one man to be different from another's.
     
    Understands nature. Rejects the blank slate.

    Now we are seeing the growth of positive forces acting against integration, of vested interests in the preservation and sharpening of racial and religious differences, with a view to the exercise of actual domination, first over fellow-immigrants and then over the rest of the population. The cloud no bigger than a man's hand, that can so rapidly overcast the sky, has been visible recently in Wolverhampton and has shown signs of spreading quickly. The words I am about to use, verbatim as they appeared in the local press on 17 February, are not mine, but those of a Labour Member of Parliament who is a minister in the present government:

    'The Sikh communities' campaign to maintain customs inappropriate in Britain is much to be regretted. Working in Britain, particularly in the public services, they should be prepared to accept the terms and conditions of their employment. To claim special communal rights (or should one say rites?) leads to a dangerous fragmentation within society. This communalism is a canker; whether practised by one colour or another it is to be strongly condemned.'
     
    Understands minoritarianism. And its evil.

    ~~~

    Where is our Enoch Powell? Where?

    Replies: @Anon, @Edward Dett

    Where is our Enoch Powell? Where?

    His name is Ricky Vaughn. He is being prosecuted in Florida by the DOJ.

  99. @Rob McX
    @AnotherDad


    This is a disaster. A disaster. You get started like this with a little “diversity” and soon you’ve gone from being a coherent, pleasant, one-peopleish society … to a “diverse” contentious multiculti hell hole.
     
    Same everywhere in Europe in the last 60 or 70 years, as each country in its turn went down the immigration road. They could have learned the lesson from each other. Even before it ever started, they could have learned the lesson from America. Multiracialism is to be avoided. At the very best, it's an unavoidable evil, where a place was already occupied by different races before a nation was founded.

    One of the tricks of pro-immigration propaganda is to flatter people into thinking they're morally superior to those who haven't made multiracialism work. It's always the fault of racists, and never because of the impossibility of making it work.

    Europeans were convinced they could do things better than Americans with their Jim Crow laws, guns, and a constitutional amendment that guarantees the right to hate speech. Irish people thought they could succeed where Britain, with the legacy of its imperialist past, had failed.

    The irony here is that whites can be convinced of significant differences amongst themselves (e.g. racist Americans vs tolerant Europeans), while simultaneously being made to believe there's no major difference between whites and non-whites.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Anonymous, @ytcarl

    I seem to remember a certain smug tone from European publications in the 80s and 90s regarding race relations in America. There was much clucking over the native white deplorables — the cause of all of America’s racial problems — with the implication that Europeans would handle race relations so much better.

    Strangely, I think there may have been some envy (America being so vibrant and all), and wonder if that led to some of Europe’s later, more disastrous immigration policies.

    I’m not hearing the same smug tone nowadays, however.

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
    @ytcarl


    I seem to remember a certain smug tone from European publications in the 80s and 90s regarding race relations in America. There was much clucking over the native white deplorables — the cause of all of America’s racial problems — with the implication that Europeans would handle race relations so much better.

    Strangely, I think there may have been some envy (America being so vibrant and all), and wonder if that led to some of Europe’s later, more disastrous immigration policies.

    I’m not hearing the same smug tone nowadays, however.
     


    Patterson's First Axiom in action:

    "Nothing cures the thirst for integration like a good dose of negro."
    , @Peter Akuleyev
    @ytcarl

    Europe is still in much better shape than the US. While importing North Africans, Turks and Afghanis is stupid, none of those groups is anywhere near as dangerous as American blacks. The worst “no go” zone in Sweden or Germany is still much safer than North Philadelphia, Detroit or Memphis.

    Obviously the surging wave from SubSaharan Africa may change that equation.

  100. @Twinkie
    @Harry Baldwin


    It would be interesting to get the answer, but to even ask the question would be considered outrageous, like asking, “How much lower do you think average black IQ is than that of non-Hispanic whites.”
     
    It’s “outrageous” precisely because relatively well-educated liberals actually know the answer. It’s impolite to force them to discuss this inconvenient and embarrassing fact. To the extent they engage, they will then attribute it to poverty, lack of education, lack of “opportunity,” etc.

    Why do you think anyone who can afford it lives in a residential district “with good schools”? That’s a proxy for “few blacks and Hispanics, please.”

    Replies: @NOTA

    Also, nobody cares about being neighbors with a black doctor or a Mexican dentist, they just want to avoid the underclass, which is disproportionately black and hispanic.

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
    @NOTA


    Also, nobody cares about being neighbors with a black doctor or a Mexican dentist, they just want to avoid the underclass, which is disproportionately black and hispanic.
     
    I wouldn't want to live next to those examples you gave, either. Why is there this desperate mania for trying to establish/salvage a relationship with some negro, any negro?

    Replies: @Jack D

  101. @anon
    @Anon


    What are the key statistics and sources to put before them?
     
    Though most libs are impervious to these type of facts, one of my favorite stats is the inter-racial violent crime rates. It turns out that blacks attack whites a lot more than whites attack blacks. In the last few years, the typical numbers are that blacks commit about 500,000 violent assaults against whites while whites commit about 50,000 against blacks. This 10x difference is high, but when you account for the fact that there are roughly 1/5 as many blacks in the population, the overall rate at which blacks attack whites is almost 5000% higher than the rate whites attack blacks.

    It also means that a black rapes, robs, assaults, or kills a white person every 60 seconds in America. How many of those crimes do you ever see on the news?

    Replies: @David In TN, @James Speaks, @Curle

    You Tube would offer a solution except … You Tube wokeness precludes this.

  102. @ThreeCranes
    @IHTG


    "The inability to view blacks as just extra-rowdy people, instead of as a species of bizarre violent aliens that requires either coddling or extermination, is literally destroying your civilization."
     
    So, let me get this straight. It's not the blacks who mercilessly attack someone in a street beatdown sucker punch that lands the victim in the hospital or kills him outright. It's not the blacks pulling down statues of persons who stood for principles or embodied ideal traits that lie completely beyond black's ken. It's not the blacks who call for the destruction of "whiteness"; it's the whites who have an "inability to view blacks as just extra-rowdy people" who are "literally destroying...civilization".

    There has to be a label for this complete inversion of reality. If you're white, you are the living instance, the walking exemplar of what used to be called an "alienated" person. You are completely out of touch with your own self interests, have enshrined a false idol at the center of your Self. Get clear, man! IF YOU DON'T STICK UP FOR YOURSELF, NO ONE WILL. Now strap on your greaves, shoulder your shield, heft your spear, and go out there and FIGHT for your right to do that which you most treasure: a grand project or a beautiful woman or whatever.

    Replies: @Occasional lurker

    The post didn’t say that at all. I read as the typical mainstream conservative position: Black people are responsible for their behavior and should be treated like anyone else who behaves that way, while traditional liberals try to excuse and coddle them like pets with no responsibility, and alt-right-HBD people see them as members of an alien subspecies who just are that way and cannot be reformed, i e also as people with no responsibility. The post claims that there is a fundamental agreement between liberals (including black activists) and HBD on black people that black people are not humans like other humans, and assumes this is counterproductive for US society.

  103. @James Speaks

    Has there ever been a survey that asked this question?
     
    An entry point into a survey that discusses killing ratios should begin with a discussion of race-based differences in the fight or flight response.

    Replies: @Lockean Proviso

    Regarding the same, discussion should also include data on racial differences in having a complete lack of any genes coding for MAO inhibitor production, a strong predictor of impulsive violence that is much more prevalent in blacks than in whites or Asians.

    • Replies: @James Speaks
    @Lockean Proviso

    Bingo (eieio) was his name-o!

    It would appear there could be a definition of race.

  104. Does Nicholas Stix’s thinking about Jim Snow/White Genocide deserve a favorable mention here?

    Yes, Black crime rates are higher, Black IQ is lower–et cetera, et bloody damned cetera–but what difference would that make if we truly had an America in which we were judged by the “content of our character” and if “equality under the law” actually meant something?

    Instead, we’ve got an America that very improperly (in my opinion) over-valorizes all Blacks according to a “color of their skin” standard—so we’ve got feckless Goodwhites, especially academics and policy libs, stupidly trying to ignore commonsensical and unobjectionable race differences.

    Our civil rights laws are wrong. And the “therapeutic mass rhetoric” we use to justify those stupid laws is bloody nuts.

  105. @NOTA
    @Twinkie

    Also, nobody cares about being neighbors with a black doctor or a Mexican dentist, they just want to avoid the underclass, which is disproportionately black and hispanic.

    Replies: @AceDeuce

    Also, nobody cares about being neighbors with a black doctor or a Mexican dentist, they just want to avoid the underclass, which is disproportionately black and hispanic.

    I wouldn’t want to live next to those examples you gave, either. Why is there this desperate mania for trying to establish/salvage a relationship with some negro, any negro?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @AceDeuce

    I had a mixed race couple as immediate neighbors. The black wife was one of the nicest people I ever knew (of course she died young). Their 100% white replacements were bastards from day 1. So you really have to look at the individual and not the race.

    Nor was the black woman some sort of talented 10th Caribbean paper bag test mulatto. She somehow had escaped the ghetto and become a professional but she told us stories about her family members who were still stuck in the ghetto - IIRC her brother was a garbage man in New Haven. One of the reasons why it is hard for blacks to save money (besides the fact that they like to spend it on crap) is that if a black is successful his (or her) less successful relatives are always hitting them up for money to make bail or keep from being evicted or whatever.

    I didn't seek out a relationship with this couple just so I could brag that "some of my best friends are black". They just happened to live next door and she was the kind of person who made friends with everyone.

    Replies: @Curle

  106. @ytcarl
    @Rob McX

    I seem to remember a certain smug tone from European publications in the 80s and 90s regarding race relations in America. There was much clucking over the native white deplorables -- the cause of all of America's racial problems -- with the implication that Europeans would handle race relations so much better.

    Strangely, I think there may have been some envy (America being so vibrant and all), and wonder if that led to some of Europe's later, more disastrous immigration policies.

    I'm not hearing the same smug tone nowadays, however.

    Replies: @AceDeuce, @Peter Akuleyev

    I seem to remember a certain smug tone from European publications in the 80s and 90s regarding race relations in America. There was much clucking over the native white deplorables — the cause of all of America’s racial problems — with the implication that Europeans would handle race relations so much better.

    Strangely, I think there may have been some envy (America being so vibrant and all), and wonder if that led to some of Europe’s later, more disastrous immigration policies.

    I’m not hearing the same smug tone nowadays, however.

    Patterson’s First Axiom in action:

    “Nothing cures the thirst for integration like a good dose of negro.”

  107. @Steve Sailer
    @Joe Magarac

    You can look at Hispanics in different states: e.g., Connecticut Hispanics are (or were) heavily Puerto Rican.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Joe Magarac, @Jim Bob Lassiter

    And Brazilians.

  108. @Lockean Proviso
    @James Speaks

    Regarding the same, discussion should also include data on racial differences in having a complete lack of any genes coding for MAO inhibitor production, a strong predictor of impulsive violence that is much more prevalent in blacks than in whites or Asians.

    Replies: @James Speaks

    Bingo (eieio) was his name-o!

    It would appear there could be a definition of race.

  109. @ytcarl
    @Rob McX

    I seem to remember a certain smug tone from European publications in the 80s and 90s regarding race relations in America. There was much clucking over the native white deplorables -- the cause of all of America's racial problems -- with the implication that Europeans would handle race relations so much better.

    Strangely, I think there may have been some envy (America being so vibrant and all), and wonder if that led to some of Europe's later, more disastrous immigration policies.

    I'm not hearing the same smug tone nowadays, however.

    Replies: @AceDeuce, @Peter Akuleyev

    Europe is still in much better shape than the US. While importing North Africans, Turks and Afghanis is stupid, none of those groups is anywhere near as dangerous as American blacks. The worst “no go” zone in Sweden or Germany is still much safer than North Philadelphia, Detroit or Memphis.

    Obviously the surging wave from SubSaharan Africa may change that equation.

  110. @Harry Baldwin
    [Sorry, previous edit got published before I could make corrections.]
    A survey produced by Skeptic.com last year found that 57% of the people who identify as liberal or very liberal believe 1,000 or more unarmed black men were murdered by police in 2019, while more than 34% of those believe it was 10,000 or more. Almost half of those considering themselves conservative or very conservative guessed the number to be about 10. According to the Washington Post database, the number was 12.

    So if you asked liberals how high the per capita murder offending rate for blacks is compared to that of non-Hispanic whites, you'd probably get an answer like "half as high," "equal" or perhaps "1.5 times higher." Most moderate conservatives would also probably guess low.

    It would be interesting to get the answer, but to even ask the question would be considered outrageous, like asking, "How much lower do you think average black IQ is than that of non-Hispanic whites."

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Edward Dett

    A survey produced by Skeptic.com last year found that 57% of the people who identify as liberal or very liberal believe 1,000 or more unarmed black men were murdered by police in 2019, while more than 34% of those believe it was 10,000 or more. Almost half of those considering themselves conservative or very conservative guessed the number to be about 10. According to the Washington Post database, the number was 12.

    This misperception needs to be dispelled. Glad you bring it back into focus. I remember it being reported on Fox, but so much information comes and goes daily … The misperception is definitely embedded in American blacks as part of the chip on their shoulders, and the magnitude of wrongness if you group by political affiliation should also be included whenever it is mentioned. (Way, way off paranoidly for the left; a little bit off too sanguinely for the right.)

    As effete as it sounds, disseminating proper facts is disseminating the truth.

  111. @AnotherDad
    @Rob McX


    Same everywhere in Europe in the last 60 or 70 years, as each country in its turn went down the immigration road. They could have learned the lesson from each other. Even before it ever started, they could have learned the lesson from America. Multiracialism is to be avoided. At the very best, it’s an unavoidable evil, where a place was already occupied by different races before a nation was founded.
     
    Don't know about his anecdote, but it's hard to beat, Enoch Powell's "Rivers of Blood" speech for just sheer conservative good sense.

    The supreme function of statesmanship is to provide against preventable evils. In seeking to do so, it encounters obstacles which are deeply rooted in human nature.

    One is that by the very order of things such evils are not demonstrable until they have occurred: at each stage in their onset there is room for doubt and for dispute whether they be real or imaginary. By the same token, they attract little attention in comparison with current troubles, which are both indisputable and pressing: whence the besetting temptation of all politics to concern itself with the immediate present at the expense of the future.
     

    I simply do not have the right to shrug my shoulders and think about something else. What he is saying, thousands and hundreds of thousands are saying and thinking - not throughout Great Britain, perhaps, but in the areas that are already undergoing the total transformation to which there is no parallel in a thousand years of English history.
     
    The meaning of responsibility. Of leadership. This guy is an actual man. A leader.

    In 15 or 20 years, on present trends, there will be in this country three and a half million Commonwealth immigrants and their descendants. That is not my figure. That is the official figure given to parliament by the spokesman of the Registrar General's Office.

    There is no comparable official figure for the year 2000, but it must be in the region of five to seven million, approximately one-tenth of the whole population, and approaching that of Greater London. Of course, it will not be evenly distributed from Margate to Aberystwyth and from Penzance to Aberdeen. Whole areas, towns and parts of towns across England will be occupied by sections of the immigrant and immigrant-descended population.

    As time goes on, the proportion of this total who are immigrant descendants, those born in England, who arrived here by exactly the same route as the rest of us, will rapidly increase.
     
    Can actually do math. Can actually project from some policy today and understand what it portends for the future.

    The third element of the Conservative Party's policy is that all who are in this country as citizens should be equal before the law and that there shall be no discrimination or difference made between them by public authority. As Mr Heath has put it we will have no "first-class citizens" and "second-class citizens." This does not mean that the immigrant and his descendent should be elevated into a privileged or special class or that the citizen should be denied his right to discriminate in the management of his own affairs between one fellow-citizen and another or that he should be subjected to imposition as to his reasons and motive for behaving in one lawful manner rather than another.
     
    Understands freedom of association. And the busybody super-state.


    There could be no grosser misconception of the realities than is entertained by those who vociferously demand legislation as they call it "against discrimination", whether they be leader-writers of the same kidney and sometimes on the same newspapers which year after year in the 1930s tried to blind this country to the rising peril which confronted it, or archbishops who live in palaces, faring delicately with the bedclothes pulled right up over their heads. They have got it exactly and diametrically wrong.

    The discrimination and the deprivation, the sense of alarm and of resentment, lies not with the immigrant population but with those among whom they have come and are still coming.
     
    Understands freedom of association and the attack upon those fundamental rights by minoritarianism.


    Nothing is more misleading than comparison between the Commonwealth immigrant in Britain and the American Negro. The Negro population of the United States, which was already in existence before the United States became a nation, started literally as slaves and were later given the franchise and other rights of citizenship, to the exercise of which they have only gradually and still incompletely come.
     
    Has eyes. And a brain. Is able to learn from others. Can draw distinctions.


    The Commonwealth immigrant came to Britain as a full citizen, to a country which knew no discrimination between one citizen and another, and he entered instantly into the possession of the rights of every citizen, from the vote to free treatment under the National Health Service.

    Whatever drawbacks attended the immigrants arose not from the law or from public policy or from administration, but from those personal circumstances and accidents which cause, and always will cause, the fortunes and experience of one man to be different from another's.
     
    Understands nature. Rejects the blank slate.

    Now we are seeing the growth of positive forces acting against integration, of vested interests in the preservation and sharpening of racial and religious differences, with a view to the exercise of actual domination, first over fellow-immigrants and then over the rest of the population. The cloud no bigger than a man's hand, that can so rapidly overcast the sky, has been visible recently in Wolverhampton and has shown signs of spreading quickly. The words I am about to use, verbatim as they appeared in the local press on 17 February, are not mine, but those of a Labour Member of Parliament who is a minister in the present government:

    'The Sikh communities' campaign to maintain customs inappropriate in Britain is much to be regretted. Working in Britain, particularly in the public services, they should be prepared to accept the terms and conditions of their employment. To claim special communal rights (or should one say rites?) leads to a dangerous fragmentation within society. This communalism is a canker; whether practised by one colour or another it is to be strongly condemned.'
     
    Understands minoritarianism. And its evil.

    ~~~

    Where is our Enoch Powell? Where?

    Replies: @Anon, @Edward Dett

    Consider Carl Benjamin’s essay “Five False Assumptions of Liberalism” on Lotus Eaters website and YouTube interviews about the essay.

  112. @Reg Cæsar
    Does "2 times higher" mean "twice" or "thrice"? Double or treble?

    Pardon the Mr Spock act.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Joseph Farnsworth

    This isn’t hard, Reg. If Joe is 6-ft tall and you are 1-times taller than Joe, you are 12-ft tall or twice as tall. If you are 2-times taller than Joe, you are three-times as tall as Joe or thrice as tall. So the Redneck farmer was correct in his response to your question. “2 times higher” means 3-times as high.

    • Replies: @Juvenalis
    @Joseph Farnsworth


    If Joe is 6-ft tall and you are 1-times taller than Joe, you are 12-ft tall or twice as tall. “2 times higher” means 3-times as high.
     
    6*1=6
    If Joe is 6-ft tall and you are 1-times taller than Joe, you are 6-ft tall or once as tall.
    “2 times higher” means 2-times as high, i.e. twice as high.
    And if you are 3-times higher today, you are thrice as high as usual.

    Replies: @Joseph Farnsworth

  113. @ginger bread man
    Some would say that whites commit more gun crimes.

    An interesting follow up study would be the breakdown of how much media attention is given to gun crimes by race and whether it’s in proportion to the true racial breakdown of such crimes. My impression, much like Steve has pointed out about Law and Order SVU, is that white homicides and gun crimes in general are reported not only far more than their proportion in the actual real world, but perhaps make up over 50% of all coverage. This would lead the average NY times reader believing that whites commit over 50% of gun homicides, which would make sense since all races commit gun crimes at roughly equal rates.

    Replies: @Rooster16, @Veteran Aryan, @Revelation

    • Replies: @ginger bread man
    @Revelation

    Thank you for providing homicide statistics broken down by race. Unfortunately, the studies and stats you shared did not address my research questions.

    What I’m looking to measure is

    1. white and black perceptions of criminality broken down by race.
    - has anyone done a survey and asked 1000 people the following questions “what percent of homicides are committed by each race” “what is the racial breakdown of the United States?”

    2. Mainstream media coverage of homicides and other violent crimes by race.
    - Does the NYtimes/Washington post/ny post report gun crimes (homicides/suicides/attempted murder) proportionately to how frequently each racial group commits said crimes?

  114. SMK says: • Website
    @Harry Baldwin
    A survey produced by Skeptic.com last year found that more than half the people who identify as liberal or very liberal believe 1,000 or more unarmed black men were murdered by police in 2019, while conservatives guessed the number to be about 10. According to the Washington Post database, the number was 12.

    So if you asked liberals how high the per capita murder offending rate for blacks is compared to that of non-Hispanic whites, you'd probably get an answer like "half as high," "equal" or perhaps "1.5 times higher." Most moderate conservatives would also probably guess low.

    It would be interesting to get the answer, but to even ask the question would be considered outrageous, like asking, "How much lower do you think average black IQ is than that of non-Hispanic whites."

    Replies: @International Jew, @Hypnotoad666, @SMK, @Hegar

    As Jared Taylor has noted many times, blacks are 25-30 times more likely to murder whites than vice-versa. And what percentage and number of blacks who murder whites aren’t convicted (like O.J. Simpson), prosecuted, indicted, or even arrested, so their murders don’t even count or exist statistically.

    And how many whites have been convicted of murder for shooting and killing blacks in obvious self-defense, like the 3 men in Georgia who were just convicted of murder and sentenced to life in prison for the “murder” of a black thug and also charged with violating his “civil rights” by Joe Biden’s and Merrick Garland’s Justice Dept.?

    And Derrick Chauvin was convicted of murder and sentenced to 22-years and 6-months in prison for simply doing his job in arresting and subduing George Floyd -if, at worst, a bit callously and carelessly- who likely would still have died of a meth and fentanyl induced heart attack even if Chauvin hadn’t knelt on his back for a few minutes.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @SMK

    As Jared Taylor has noted many times, blacks are 25-30 times more likely to murder whites than vice-versa.

    About 9% of all homicides feature a black perpetrator and a non-black victim. About 4% feature a non-black perpetrator and a black victim.

    Replies: @Jack D

  115. @International Jew
    @J.Ross

    What is "Library Genesis" and how does it work? Will it allow me to see this book without paying the $45 Amazon charges for it?

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @J.Ross, @Tristero

    Another such book source, which sometimes has things not on Libgen, is b-ok.org

  116. @Harry Baldwin
    A survey produced by Skeptic.com last year found that more than half the people who identify as liberal or very liberal believe 1,000 or more unarmed black men were murdered by police in 2019, while conservatives guessed the number to be about 10. According to the Washington Post database, the number was 12.

    So if you asked liberals how high the per capita murder offending rate for blacks is compared to that of non-Hispanic whites, you'd probably get an answer like "half as high," "equal" or perhaps "1.5 times higher." Most moderate conservatives would also probably guess low.

    It would be interesting to get the answer, but to even ask the question would be considered outrageous, like asking, "How much lower do you think average black IQ is than that of non-Hispanic whites."

    Replies: @International Jew, @Hypnotoad666, @SMK, @Hegar

    A survey produced by Skeptic.com last year found that more than half the people who identify as liberal or very liberal believe 1,000 or more unarmed black men were murdered by police in 2019, while conservatives guessed the number to be about 10. According to the Washington Post database, the number was 12.

    They weren’t “murdered”. In almost all twelve cases the Black was attacking the police, trying to grab the policeman’s weapon or reaching for another weapon.

    Aside from that, research shows police are more likely to shoot White suspects than Black suspects. Whites get no protection from the media or politicians.

  117. @SMK
    @Harry Baldwin

    As Jared Taylor has noted many times, blacks are 25-30 times more likely to murder whites than vice-versa. And what percentage and number of blacks who murder whites aren't convicted (like O.J. Simpson), prosecuted, indicted, or even arrested, so their murders don't even count or exist statistically.

    And how many whites have been convicted of murder for shooting and killing blacks in obvious self-defense, like the 3 men in Georgia who were just convicted of murder and sentenced to life in prison for the "murder" of a black thug and also charged with violating his "civil rights" by Joe Biden's and Merrick Garland's Justice Dept.?

    And Derrick Chauvin was convicted of murder and sentenced to 22-years and 6-months in prison for simply doing his job in arresting and subduing George Floyd -if, at worst, a bit callously and carelessly- who likely would still have died of a meth and fentanyl induced heart attack even if Chauvin hadn't knelt on his back for a few minutes.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    As Jared Taylor has noted many times, blacks are 25-30 times more likely to murder whites than vice-versa.

    About 9% of all homicides feature a black perpetrator and a non-black victim. About 4% feature a non-black perpetrator and a black victim.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    You are leaving out the fact that there are 5x as many whites as blacks so on a per capita basis the odds of a black person killing a white are many times greater than that of a white person killing a black. Also does "non-black" include Hispanic "whites"/browns? It's very easy to play games with stats to make the disparities appear less stark than they really are. A black male is on average something like 100x times more likely to commit homicide than a white female.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  118. @anon
    @Anon


    What are the key statistics and sources to put before them?
     
    Though most libs are impervious to these type of facts, one of my favorite stats is the inter-racial violent crime rates. It turns out that blacks attack whites a lot more than whites attack blacks. In the last few years, the typical numbers are that blacks commit about 500,000 violent assaults against whites while whites commit about 50,000 against blacks. This 10x difference is high, but when you account for the fact that there are roughly 1/5 as many blacks in the population, the overall rate at which blacks attack whites is almost 5000% higher than the rate whites attack blacks.

    It also means that a black rapes, robs, assaults, or kills a white person every 60 seconds in America. How many of those crimes do you ever see on the news?

    Replies: @David In TN, @James Speaks, @Curle

    The disparities have been around for a long time:

    “Yet it was a fact universally acknowledged, even among the friends of the race, that the escaped slaves who moved into the southern tier of Pennsylvania counties were notoriously criminal. One report statewide showed the black population ratio at 1:33 and the black crime rate at 1:3. Furthermore, of black criminals, some 66.3 percent had come from slave states. Apologists cited the want of education and work opportunities, as well as the temptations of liquor, all of which certainly contributed to these deplorable statistics.”

    “In some years the black crime rate was four times that of whites. Based on the records of the Eastern State Penitentiary, for the seven years before 1837, blacks committed 36 percent of the criminal acts in Philadelphia, at a time when they represented 9 percent of the city’s population. These figures continued at about the same rate over the next ten years and showed only slight improvement up to the Civil War. “

    http://slavenorth.com/pennrace.htm

  119. @AceDeuce
    @NOTA


    Also, nobody cares about being neighbors with a black doctor or a Mexican dentist, they just want to avoid the underclass, which is disproportionately black and hispanic.
     
    I wouldn't want to live next to those examples you gave, either. Why is there this desperate mania for trying to establish/salvage a relationship with some negro, any negro?

    Replies: @Jack D

    I had a mixed race couple as immediate neighbors. The black wife was one of the nicest people I ever knew (of course she died young). Their 100% white replacements were bastards from day 1. So you really have to look at the individual and not the race.

    Nor was the black woman some sort of talented 10th Caribbean paper bag test mulatto. She somehow had escaped the ghetto and become a professional but she told us stories about her family members who were still stuck in the ghetto – IIRC her brother was a garbage man in New Haven. One of the reasons why it is hard for blacks to save money (besides the fact that they like to spend it on crap) is that if a black is successful his (or her) less successful relatives are always hitting them up for money to make bail or keep from being evicted or whatever.

    I didn’t seek out a relationship with this couple just so I could brag that “some of my best friends are black”. They just happened to live next door and she was the kind of person who made friends with everyone.

    • Replies: @Curle
    @Jack D

    This:

    “less successful relatives are always hitting them up for money”

  120. @Art Deco
    @SMK

    As Jared Taylor has noted many times, blacks are 25-30 times more likely to murder whites than vice-versa.

    About 9% of all homicides feature a black perpetrator and a non-black victim. About 4% feature a non-black perpetrator and a black victim.

    Replies: @Jack D

    You are leaving out the fact that there are 5x as many whites as blacks so on a per capita basis the odds of a black person killing a white are many times greater than that of a white person killing a black. Also does “non-black” include Hispanic “whites”/browns? It’s very easy to play games with stats to make the disparities appear less stark than they really are. A black male is on average something like 100x times more likely to commit homicide than a white female.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    No, I'm not leaving anything of significance out. Posit for a moment that people on each side of the color bar had similar propensities toward violent crime and that their victims are a random selection. The share of white &c -on-black homicides would be as follows:

    0.87 x .13 = 0.113

    The share of black-on-white &c homicides would be as follows:

    0.13 x 0.87 = 0.113


    Actually, black-on-white &c are 2.2x as common as the remainder.

  121. Knowing what those words mean has absolutely nothing to do with mathematics. The greatest mathematicians in the world might not know what any of those words mean.

    That is so theoretical as to be absurd. That is like saying that just because someone has never heard the word “therefore”, they are not capable of writing a great novel in English.

    Is it theoretically possible for someone who has never heard the word “therefore” to write a great novel in English? Yes. Is there even a one in a million chance of this actually happening? No.

    Anyone kid with math skills at a level of 8th grade or higher knows what nano, pico, giga, and tera mean, as does anyone with any technology exposure or computer skills (gigabits, terabytes, etc.). To claim that knowing what those prefixes mean have nothing to do with mathematical knowledge is absurd in the extreme.

    So your bizarre argument falls flat, just like AnotherDud’s did.

    What is weird is that you go to extreme lengths to excuse Steve Sailer of gaps in his knowledge (since you have even less knowledge), but you would never consider actually donating some money to the poor man. If he is your hero and a source of inspiration, donate to the man.

    • Replies: @Thomm
    @Thomm


    That is so theoretical as to be absurd. That is like saying that just because someone has never heard the word “therefore”, they are nonetheless still capable of writing a great novel in English.
     
    Fixed.

    Here is the thing. Knowing what nano, pico, giga, and tera mean does not in and of itself make someone good at math, but NOT knowing what they mean indicates with 99.99999% certainty that the person is quite innumerate. Again, any 14 year old destined for any sort of quantitative or computer-oriented career already knows what those prefixes mean. Hell, the people who work in the technology section at Wal-Mart know what those mean.

    It is funny that this even has to be spelled out. Such are the travails of trying to explain simple things to an 80 IQ crowd.

  122. @Thomm

    Knowing what those words mean has absolutely nothing to do with mathematics. The greatest mathematicians in the world might not know what any of those words mean.
     
    That is so theoretical as to be absurd. That is like saying that just because someone has never heard the word "therefore", they are not capable of writing a great novel in English.

    Is it theoretically possible for someone who has never heard the word "therefore" to write a great novel in English? Yes. Is there even a one in a million chance of this actually happening? No.

    Anyone kid with math skills at a level of 8th grade or higher knows what nano, pico, giga, and tera mean, as does anyone with any technology exposure or computer skills (gigabits, terabytes, etc.). To claim that knowing what those prefixes mean have nothing to do with mathematical knowledge is absurd in the extreme.

    So your bizarre argument falls flat, just like AnotherDud's did.

    What is weird is that you go to extreme lengths to excuse Steve Sailer of gaps in his knowledge (since you have even less knowledge), but you would never consider actually donating some money to the poor man. If he is your hero and a source of inspiration, donate to the man.

    Replies: @Thomm

    That is so theoretical as to be absurd. That is like saying that just because someone has never heard the word “therefore”, they are nonetheless still capable of writing a great novel in English.

    Fixed.

    Here is the thing. Knowing what nano, pico, giga, and tera mean does not in and of itself make someone good at math, but NOT knowing what they mean indicates with 99.99999% certainty that the person is quite innumerate. Again, any 14 year old destined for any sort of quantitative or computer-oriented career already knows what those prefixes mean. Hell, the people who work in the technology section at Wal-Mart know what those mean.

    It is funny that this even has to be spelled out. Such are the travails of trying to explain simple things to an 80 IQ crowd.

    • Troll: William Badwhite
  123. @Thomm
    @AnotherDad


    Most people are simply not mathematical thinkers at all. They have some handy life rules, but they simply do not think the way Steve thinks, they way I think.
     
    LOL. To call Steve a 'mathematical thinker' is a stretch, since even he didn't know what nano, pico, giga, and tera meant until he got called on it two years ago. Even though this could be looked up in a few seconds. It is not just the ignorance, but the blissful incuriosity.

    I agree that Steve is a 'mathematical thinker' relative to WN wiggers that comprise his audience. But that is saying absolutely nothing about absolute mathematical aptitude.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Jim, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Maybe we should ask Jake the Dog and Finn the Human what they mean when they say “Mathematical!”

  124. @ForeverCARealist
    @Guest007

    My daughter is a piano teacher in the burbs of Los Angeles. If you asked her, she'd say the population of California is 100% Asian.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    My strings teacher sister-in-law would tell you the same things about the area around Winter Park, FL. With a smattering of desis.

  125. @Harry Baldwin
    @Steve Sailer

    Hartford: 44.69% Latino

    New Britain: 42.7% Latino

    Bridgeport: 42% Latino

    Waterbury: 36.65% Latino

    Bridgeport, Hartford, and Waterbury are among the five largest cities in the state, all have a population over 100,000. There are a lot of Latinos in CT.

    Replies: @Prester John, @Brutusale

    Be they black or Hispanic, Connecticut has the highest murder rate in New England.

  126. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/BillFOXLA/status/1559316078232322050
    https://twitter.com/GeorgeGascon/status/1559298298053177344

    https://www.takimag.com/article/the-last-living-holocaust-mass-murderer/
    https://twitter.com/DavidColeStein/status/1559581632624922624

    Replies: @J.Ross, @AnotherDad, @bispora

    As a Hungarian guy, I must apologize for Schwartz György…

  127. @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    You are leaving out the fact that there are 5x as many whites as blacks so on a per capita basis the odds of a black person killing a white are many times greater than that of a white person killing a black. Also does "non-black" include Hispanic "whites"/browns? It's very easy to play games with stats to make the disparities appear less stark than they really are. A black male is on average something like 100x times more likely to commit homicide than a white female.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    No, I’m not leaving anything of significance out. Posit for a moment that people on each side of the color bar had similar propensities toward violent crime and that their victims are a random selection. The share of white &c -on-black homicides would be as follows:

    0.87 x .13 = 0.113

    The share of black-on-white &c homicides would be as follows:

    0.13 x 0.87 = 0.113

    Actually, black-on-white &c are 2.2x as common as the remainder.

  128. @Jack D
    @AceDeuce

    I had a mixed race couple as immediate neighbors. The black wife was one of the nicest people I ever knew (of course she died young). Their 100% white replacements were bastards from day 1. So you really have to look at the individual and not the race.

    Nor was the black woman some sort of talented 10th Caribbean paper bag test mulatto. She somehow had escaped the ghetto and become a professional but she told us stories about her family members who were still stuck in the ghetto - IIRC her brother was a garbage man in New Haven. One of the reasons why it is hard for blacks to save money (besides the fact that they like to spend it on crap) is that if a black is successful his (or her) less successful relatives are always hitting them up for money to make bail or keep from being evicted or whatever.

    I didn't seek out a relationship with this couple just so I could brag that "some of my best friends are black". They just happened to live next door and she was the kind of person who made friends with everyone.

    Replies: @Curle

    This:

    “less successful relatives are always hitting them up for money”

  129. @Joseph Farnsworth
    @Reg Cæsar

    This isn't hard, Reg. If Joe is 6-ft tall and you are 1-times taller than Joe, you are 12-ft tall or twice as tall. If you are 2-times taller than Joe, you are three-times as tall as Joe or thrice as tall. So the Redneck farmer was correct in his response to your question. "2 times higher" means 3-times as high.

    Replies: @Juvenalis

    If Joe is 6-ft tall and you are 1-times taller than Joe, you are 12-ft tall or twice as tall. “2 times higher” means 3-times as high.

    6*1=6
    If Joe is 6-ft tall and you are 1-times taller than Joe, you are 6-ft tall or once as tall.
    “2 times higher” means 2-times as high, i.e. twice as high.
    And if you are 3-times higher today, you are thrice as high as usual.

    • Replies: @Joseph Farnsworth
    @Juvenalis

    If you are 10% taller than 6-ft tall Joe, you are 6.6 ft tall, not 0.6 ft tall. If you are 10% as tall as Joe, you are 0.6 ft tall. Many people are not attuned to differences, especially "directed differences" which can be positive or negative (He increased by negative 5 means he decreased by plus 5 ).
    But this is frequently chewed over by mathematicians, physicists and engineers who frequently have to deal with "signed" directed quantities. The derivative of a function of independent variable x can be positive or negative depending on what direction you assign as positive for the x-axis. A positive increment of function y divided by a negative increment of x results in a negative derivative, in the limit, as delta-x approaches zero.
    See
    https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/simple-math-question.391912/

  130. @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @Anon


    I tried to explain that the soccer team was actually the opposite of what he claimed, and that it was a misleading and distorted representation of Ireland that made it seem like the country was 30% black, and that it was in fact the rugby team that more accurately reflected Irish society.
     
    Paradoxically, in Ireland and the British Isles the much more violent sport of Rugby Union Football is the province of the upper classes in fee-paying private schools, whereas soccer is the sport favored by the lower classes.

    The Irish first XV has had players of foreign origin - Simon Zebo and Bundee Aki come to mind. But rugby players are going to tend to be the products of elite private educational institutions even if the players have foreign origins - you're more likely to get a foreign origin player from Kenya who went to a private school there which trains in rugby than you are to have a home-grown black kid from low economic status play rugby at a high level. So the IRFU sides are generally the graduates of a handful of boy's rugby powerhouse schools mostly in Leinster and Munster.

    But otherwise you are correct. I lived in Dublin in the 1990s and you really wouldn't see people who didn't look Irish - if you did, they were kids in private schools near the rows of embassies in South Dublin, or people who were likely diplomats or attached to foreign employers with an Irish presence. It's really changed, and not for the better.

    Replies: @International Jew

    Is this “Rugby Union Football” a professional league, ie can one make much money at it? Inasmuch as Rugby resembles American Football, I’d expect blacks to eventually dominate it too, just provided there’s sufficient economic incentive.

  131. @Revelation
    @ginger bread man

    It has been studied, extensively. If you've never heard about these studies before, you should ask yourself how something so well established passes as something "no one ever studied before".

    See:

    https://i.imgur.com/MNj0dyS.png

    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/tables/expanded_homicide_data_table_3_murder_offenders_by_age_sex_and_race_2015.xls

    https://www.brookings.edu/blog/social-mobility-memos/2015/12/15/guns-and-race-the-different-worlds-of-black-and-white-americans/

    https://www.ammoland.com/2014/01/european-murder-rates-compared-to-the-united-states-demographics-vs-guns/

    https://crimeresearch.org/2014/03/comparing-murder-rates-across-countries/

    Replies: @ginger bread man

    Thank you for providing homicide statistics broken down by race. Unfortunately, the studies and stats you shared did not address my research questions.

    What I’m looking to measure is

    1. white and black perceptions of criminality broken down by race.
    – has anyone done a survey and asked 1000 people the following questions “what percent of homicides are committed by each race” “what is the racial breakdown of the United States?”

    2. Mainstream media coverage of homicides and other violent crimes by race.
    – Does the NYtimes/Washington post/ny post report gun crimes (homicides/suicides/attempted murder) proportionately to how frequently each racial group commits said crimes?

  132. @Bardon Kaldian
    @International Jew

    Go to Libgen, https://www.libgen.is/; type in search & perhaps you'll find what you want. Click on the cover. Then, you'll be led to Get or something. Books (and articles) are in various formats (pdf, epub, mobi,..).

    You can also search for articles.

    https://cloudflare-ipfs.com/ipfs/bafykbzacebsg5ej6dosztv6zwmp4f64zrnjaomelq3ki5tvojpajg4lnlfixs?filename=Scott%20Cummings%20-%20Left%20Behind%20In%20Rosedale_%20Race%20Relations%20And%20The%20Collapse%20Of%20Community%20Institutions-Routledge%20%281998%29.pdf

    Replies: @International Jew

    I managed to borrow this book (for one hour but hey it was free) from archive.org. Totally legit, not need to turn to bootleggers and phishing operations.

  133. @Juvenalis
    @Joseph Farnsworth


    If Joe is 6-ft tall and you are 1-times taller than Joe, you are 12-ft tall or twice as tall. “2 times higher” means 3-times as high.
     
    6*1=6
    If Joe is 6-ft tall and you are 1-times taller than Joe, you are 6-ft tall or once as tall.
    “2 times higher” means 2-times as high, i.e. twice as high.
    And if you are 3-times higher today, you are thrice as high as usual.

    Replies: @Joseph Farnsworth

    If you are 10% taller than 6-ft tall Joe, you are 6.6 ft tall, not 0.6 ft tall. If you are 10% as tall as Joe, you are 0.6 ft tall. Many people are not attuned to differences, especially “directed differences” which can be positive or negative (He increased by negative 5 means he decreased by plus 5 ).
    But this is frequently chewed over by mathematicians, physicists and engineers who frequently have to deal with “signed” directed quantities. The derivative of a function of independent variable x can be positive or negative depending on what direction you assign as positive for the x-axis. A positive increment of function y divided by a negative increment of x results in a negative derivative, in the limit, as delta-x approaches zero.
    See
    https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/simple-math-question.391912/

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