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Commenter Thomas writes:
What can the federal government do practically against San Francisco?
One thing they certainly ought to do after this case is to refuse to hand over anyone pending deportation from federal custody to any sanctuary city or state. Someone pointed out here that Garcia Zarate had been in federal prison, and was pending deportation, but was sent to San Francisco on an old drug warrant (that was promptly dismissed and he was set loose without any notice to the feds). The policy ought to be to keep such individuals in federal custody, and, if they are to appear in a state or local proceeding, they’re brought to court and then promptly returned to a federal lock up, where they’ll stay pending the case. (Make it even better and charge the sanctuary cities a per diem rate to keep them in custody.)
One thing I would like to see is ICE condoning and soliciting unofficial cooperation with police in sanctuary cities, state and local policy be damned. If sanctuary cities want to ignore federal law, nothing says the feds shouldn’t try to do the same regarding sanctuary policies. Cops in the same cities talk and cooperate all the time, even across jurisdictions, and nothing would effectively prevent local cops from surreptitiously “dropping a dime” to ICE about what they know. Maybe also see about coming up with a “special deputy” program, similar to the Section 287(g) program (allowing local law enforcement agencies to be deputized to enforce immigration law), but on an individual level, to allow local cops to do TAD with ICE off the clock. If their departments try to fire them, litigate it through their union proceedings and the courts, and offer DOJ support in doing so, on the argument that trying to fire someone for cooperating with federal law is wrongful termination. And if that fails, just poach them and offer them jobs with ICE, where they can bring along their local law enforcement experience. Those are a few creative ideas that would be worth trying.
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That could work…till the Matt Gonzalezes disperse to wherever their Cutting Edge Social Law services can be used to slash at the legal fabric of the orderly and law-abiding. (A solid history of that tactic can be found in the “civil” “rights” “movement” of the 1960s. Today it has been ensconced in religio-social mythos–“freedom riders” and “marchers” and such.)
The Ed Biz has been indoctrinating and pumping out this sort of True Believer most of my life.
One case like the Steinle verdict will inspire countless copycat Cutting Edge slashings elsewhere.
Still, Thomas’s notion is worth a try. But we need some sort of larger legal and policy precedents, backed up by brass nads, that withdraw federal support from states and cities that prey on the law abiding and privilege the criminal.
Better yet is the idea that if “sanctuary” cities and states want to exist outside the law, the feds treat them in kind. But there’s likely an argument to be made that those who follow laws have to follow laws. This is one way that Bolshies have achieved their cultural and legal victories: by using this republic’s (and the west’s in general) laws against it and its people.
At the bare minimum Garcia Zarate can be tried and tossed in prison for multiple reentries after deportation. Two years and I believe five years is the maximum.
Of course he must be tried in a decent jurisdiction.
NOTE: You illegally enter America your first time, it is only a misdemeanor. But a deportable one.
BUT: Re-entry after a deportation is a Federal felony. Even your first re-entry can put you in prison for two years. Rarely enforced of course.
Charge him with violating the civil rights of the killed woman.
The Supreme Court has already ruled that this does not constitute double jeopardy (even though common sense shows it’s nonsense.)
That way they have to oppose either the blatant double jeopardy of the ruling or agree with prosecuting him, for an offense carrying up to a life sentence.
The dirty huge secret of deportations is that they are a logistical nightmare and underfunded. It is very easy to deport Mexicans. They are simply bused back across the border. All others are flown out. This is why Central Americans are more difficult to deport.
Any competent manager with military experience could line up hundreds of deportation flights back to their third world nations. But the Federal bureaucracy seems incapable plus the money is not appropriated, on purpose.
PLUS some chartered flights would be Con-Air type flights with shackled passengers. How else do you deport 100 gangsters back to El Salvador. btw 25% of El Salvador lives here. I knew an illegal from there. Her husband spent thousands getting her legal status. For 13 years she was “trapped” here. First month she was legal she went back home to visit. This is one of the prime reasons illegal DACA and others want legal status. To flit back/ and forth from America to their homelands.
Deported Mexicans should be flown back, too - all the way to the southernmost end of the country.
It hardly seems like deporting an illegal - even thousands or millions of them - should be a "logistical nightmare." It's a routine process with routine precautions and an easily defined protocol. Jails and prisons transport inmates all the time - hundreds or even thousands of times per day.
Deporting illegal immigrants via airplane seems like something that would be best done not by charter flight or on a scheduled passenger airline but by dedicated government-owned or leased aircraft. Given the numbers of illegals we should be deporting on a daily basis that hardly seems like a ridiculous expectation. A single 777 could easily deport 75,000 illegals in the course of a year (assuming ~200 passengers @ one round-trip flight per day). Buy or lease 30 of them and you could be deporting 2 million illegals a year.
Rounding them up and handling their legal proceedings would be more difficult, given current law, but that could easily be streamlined, too, with merely the political will. "Are you here legally?" "No, judge." "You are hereby deported." Want to appeal? Cool, file the appeal at the US embassy in your home country.
None of this should be underfunded. We clearly have the money, since our Republican congress has hit upon the brilliant idea of slashing taxes for billionaires. Maybe not slash their taxes quite so much. Building and manning a wall, for example? That would cost less than a single U.S. Navy carrier strike group - of which we currently have 11.Replies: @Anonymous, @anonymous-antimarxist, @Lurker
Prison ships. The proverbial "slow boat to China". Two years at sea in a container, and at the end of the two years, offloaded at their country of origin.
There are examples of historical trials, such as the Leo Frank in Georgia, where other parts of the country cry out and decry what’s going on, and label the people and region involved as backwards, only to have the whole thing backfire and have the jury and surrounding region double down to spite the interlopers. I wonder if something similar happened here and there actually would have been a different verdict without all the criticism from other other parts of the country.
Off topic, but comment #29 on the Phil Lynott post seems to have knacked the post as far as adding new comments is concerned (I was going to nominate mixed-race Simon Zebo, the rugby winger).
Any competent manager with military experience could line up hundreds of deportation flights back to their third world nations. But the Federal bureaucracy seems incapable plus the money is not appropriated, on purpose.
PLUS some chartered flights would be Con-Air type flights with shackled passengers. How else do you deport 100 gangsters back to El Salvador. btw 25% of El Salvador lives here. I knew an illegal from there. Her husband spent thousands getting her legal status. For 13 years she was "trapped" here. First month she was legal she went back home to visit. This is one of the prime reasons illegal DACA and others want legal status. To flit back/ and forth from America to their homelands.Replies: @Enochian, @Wilkey, @Dave from Oz, @Eagle Eye, @ThreeCranes
A good idea might be to start billing their country of origin for the cost of deporting them. That’d save the American taxpayer and encourage Mexico etc to do something about the problem from their side of the border.
Billing the country of origin sounds great, but there isn't the political will to enforce it. The only way I think they could do it would be to deduct it from the foreign aid.
The fact that he has never mentioned the idea again, let alone had allies introduce legislation to that effect, combined with many other instances of inaction where executive orders were a ready option, tell us what we need to know about him and his administration.Replies: @Anon, @David Davenport
One thing Republicans have never been good at, at least not since Nixon, is creative and malicious use of bureaucracy against their enemies. They should set it up so any time a sanctuary city wants anyone in federal custody who might have immigration issues (and that accounts for a big proportion of people in federal custody) to show up in local proceedings, the sanctuary city is fully on the hook for transportation costs (the U.S. Marshal’s Service charges states and local municipalities $1,150 each way per head to fly prisoners on JPATS, the “Justice Prisoner and Alien Transportation System,” or “Con Air” as it’s popularly known), and per diem for a full security detail. Throw in a couple hotel rooms while they’re at it. It’s a necessity if sanctuary cities won’t stop prisoners from just walking out of their jails.
And if Trump and Sessions are going to get money to expand ICE as part of an increase in immigration enforcement, they ought to poach the hell out of local police departments where immigration enforcement is a priority (which happen to be often sanctuary cities). Offer big hiring bonuses plus time-in-grade recognition plus age waivers to grab up experienced local cops who know the cities well and have existing connections within their old departments.
A lot of the court system is already "punishment by process". Time to play the game by the same rules as the other side.
The Supreme Court has already ruled that this does not constitute double jeopardy (even though common sense shows it's nonsense.)
That way they have to oppose either the blatant double jeopardy of the ruling or agree with prosecuting him, for an offense carrying up to a life sentence.Replies: @Thomas
That’s a no-go legally. Federal civil rights cases of that type require either a conspiracy, to have to have been done “under color of law,” or to have been motivated by some sort of bias (a hate crime) or to interfere with some Constitutionally-protected activity. A plain, ordinary killing of one private individual by another won’t do it.
Or, even more simply, every hard case that ICE rounds up - every MS-13 member, every serial drunk-driver, every drunken weenie-wagger - in lieu of deporting them, just bus them to San Francisco and let them out in Union Square. Hey, Frisco, you want illegal aliens? Here. Knock yourself out. Choke on 'em.Replies: @The preferred nomenclature is...
You write like a NYT editorial writer--'Let's find the worst possible reasons to justify terrible, unjustifiable practices.'
Considering that so-called civil rights prosecutions and the laws that serve as their pretexts are unconstitutional six ways from Sunday, one can justify a civil rights prosecution on behalf of Kate Steinle against her murderer, Senor Many Names, using any pretext one likes, or no pretext.Replies: @Thomas
Any competent manager with military experience could line up hundreds of deportation flights back to their third world nations. But the Federal bureaucracy seems incapable plus the money is not appropriated, on purpose.
PLUS some chartered flights would be Con-Air type flights with shackled passengers. How else do you deport 100 gangsters back to El Salvador. btw 25% of El Salvador lives here. I knew an illegal from there. Her husband spent thousands getting her legal status. For 13 years she was "trapped" here. First month she was legal she went back home to visit. This is one of the prime reasons illegal DACA and others want legal status. To flit back/ and forth from America to their homelands.Replies: @Enochian, @Wilkey, @Dave from Oz, @Eagle Eye, @ThreeCranes
“The dirty huge secret of deportations is that they are a logistical nightmare and underfunded. It is very easy to deport Mexicans. They are simply bused back across the border. All others are flown out”
Deported Mexicans should be flown back, too – all the way to the southernmost end of the country.
It hardly seems like deporting an illegal – even thousands or millions of them – should be a “logistical nightmare.” It’s a routine process with routine precautions and an easily defined protocol. Jails and prisons transport inmates all the time – hundreds or even thousands of times per day.
Deporting illegal immigrants via airplane seems like something that would be best done not by charter flight or on a scheduled passenger airline but by dedicated government-owned or leased aircraft. Given the numbers of illegals we should be deporting on a daily basis that hardly seems like a ridiculous expectation. A single 777 could easily deport 75,000 illegals in the course of a year (assuming ~200 passengers @ one round-trip flight per day). Buy or lease 30 of them and you could be deporting 2 million illegals a year.
Rounding them up and handling their legal proceedings would be more difficult, given current law, but that could easily be streamlined, too, with merely the political will. “Are you here legally?” “No, judge.” “You are hereby deported.” Want to appeal? Cool, file the appeal at the US embassy in your home country.
None of this should be underfunded. We clearly have the money, since our Republican congress has hit upon the brilliant idea of slashing taxes for billionaires. Maybe not slash their taxes quite so much. Building and manning a wall, for example? That would cost less than a single U.S. Navy carrier strike group – of which we currently have 11.
You are assuming that Mexico or Central America will just let you fly into their country and drop them off.
With in weeks Soros will be funding riot squads of protesters on the tarmac to stop the planes.
Send them on a bus or train to the border, put them over the wall let Mexico handle the rest. That is why you need a wall with armed security, drones, machine guns and maybe even land mines.
As Peter Brimelow has said you will only need to physically deport 10%, if you shut down the jobs magnet and remittances the rest will self deport.Replies: @Wilkey
Much of what the federal government does involves transfer payments to state and local governments. Simply rewrite the rules for qualifying for transfer payments, and tie a significant amount of it to assistance with enforcing immigration laws. $5,000 or $10,000 or even $25,000 per illegal is a nice wad of money, and a lot easier and less controversial than handing out bogus speeding tickets to raise revenue. Local government elections are usually pretty low key, but how many citizens would be in full revolt if they learned their city government was turning down $25,000 bounties from the feds for every illegal they could have handed over? Even small cities would be receiving millons per year.
This, of course, is what we should have been doing during the last recession, when millions of Americans were unemployed and thousands of municipalities were desperate to raise revenue.
Lots of good ideas on this thread. I think Clyde really hit the nail on the head:
It only takes a military outlook and the worldview of illegal immigration from a national security angle to get the ball rolling, as Eisenhowever demonstrated in Operation Wetback. Another one of those is long overdue.
The DOJ could — and should — prosecute every left-wing state and city and every municipality and government agency that engages in affirmative action, “sanctuary” policies, minority-only job grants and scholarships, gun control, etc. of depriving the civil rights of white people under 18 U.S. Code S. 242, Deprivation of Civil Rights Under Color of Law.
Of course it’ll never happen.
Not until whites start voting as a distinct interest group. But that will be racist.
Visualize this...A couple of those 100 passenger Google type buses full of Garcia Zarates, and his schizophrenic fellow travelers, getting dropped off in front of Nancy Pelosi's or Diane Feinstein's SF mansion every week, all from Texas, Idaho and Utah. Sweet!!!
Here’s a 40-minute interview with Garcia Zarate posted in 2015 with only 1,700 views that YouTube helpfully suggested in the sidebar:
San Francisco Pier 14 Shooting Suspect Francisco Sanchez FULL interview *
At 2:00:
I can’t watch the whole thing right now but skipping around it seems like the interviewer continues asking questions in English (sometimes translated by an interpreter) while Zarate answers mostly in Spanish, which the interviewer seems to understand.
* Francisco Sanchez must have been the fake name he gave to police – there’s a 2015 ABC News article about the shooting which uses that name.
Deported Mexicans should be flown back, too - all the way to the southernmost end of the country.
It hardly seems like deporting an illegal - even thousands or millions of them - should be a "logistical nightmare." It's a routine process with routine precautions and an easily defined protocol. Jails and prisons transport inmates all the time - hundreds or even thousands of times per day.
Deporting illegal immigrants via airplane seems like something that would be best done not by charter flight or on a scheduled passenger airline but by dedicated government-owned or leased aircraft. Given the numbers of illegals we should be deporting on a daily basis that hardly seems like a ridiculous expectation. A single 777 could easily deport 75,000 illegals in the course of a year (assuming ~200 passengers @ one round-trip flight per day). Buy or lease 30 of them and you could be deporting 2 million illegals a year.
Rounding them up and handling their legal proceedings would be more difficult, given current law, but that could easily be streamlined, too, with merely the political will. "Are you here legally?" "No, judge." "You are hereby deported." Want to appeal? Cool, file the appeal at the US embassy in your home country.
None of this should be underfunded. We clearly have the money, since our Republican congress has hit upon the brilliant idea of slashing taxes for billionaires. Maybe not slash their taxes quite so much. Building and manning a wall, for example? That would cost less than a single U.S. Navy carrier strike group - of which we currently have 11.Replies: @Anonymous, @anonymous-antimarxist, @Lurker
Maybe they should work with and pay the cartels to hobble them as well?
From the movie Misery:
Don’t we have any clever Jew lawyers that can figger out an “interpretation” that will serve?
Can’t he be charged under federal law as a felon in possession of a firearm?
18 USC 922 is the citation.
Why deport the Central Americans back to Mexico? They’ll just come back. Put them on military transports and deport them to Afghanistan. A few diversity enclaves in the Kunar Province could only be a good thing, amirite?
Border Patrol Agents Ramos and Compean were railroaded by AUSA Johnny Sutton because they shot at a drug smuggler, didn’t report it, and didn’t realise they had hit him.
For that they became felons and were looking at over a decade in federal prison until Bush commuted their sentence.
Fucking clown world.
What Can the Federal DOJ Do About San Francisco-Style Injustice?
The US Department of Justice can gather as many illegal alien invaders as possible in California and make San Francisco a staging area for deporting the illegal alien invaders from the United States. Attorney General Jeff Sessions can make it clear that California and San Francisco will no longer be allowed to nullify federal immigration law by declaring themselves to be a so-called “sanctuary city” or a “sanctuary state.”
The US Department of Justice must no longer allow any jurisdictions in the United States to actively harbor illegal alien invaders in the manner that San Francisco and California have. The political and legal atmosphere in San Francisco and California that gives harbor to illegal alien invaders is directly responsible for the not guilty verdict in regards to the killing of Kate Steinle.
California must be cleared of all illegal alien invaders and they must be concentrated in San Francisco prior to their deportation. California and San Francisco must pay for the costs of the entire operation to deport the illegal alien invaders in California and San Francisco. The plutocrats in California and San Francisco must be pauperized if it comes to it. Plutocrats who interfere with the US Department of Justice’s actions to deport the illegal alien invaders must be put in jail for lengthy terms and have their property confiscated to defray deportation costs for the illegal alien invaders.
A little insight on deportimg squatamalans:
There are two flights a week that leave El Paso for Mexico City that fly central americans back south.
A lot of this stuff is beyond CBP/ICE, but is the failure of the State Department to turn the screws its legally allowed to.
Not much slashing would be required. It’s a problem one hypo level in.
For instance, say after the shooting that instead of being first apprehended by the local PD, Zarate had been picked up by ICE for immigration charges —say he even turned himself into ICE. Under this, when the state gathers the evidence on the homicide -witnesses, prints, dna, video, enough to ID the perp, and alerts the Feds and other authorities —bulletin, whatever, then what? What do the Feds do? Not turn him over? “Yeah, we got him. But we’ve got this new hardline rule. So no, we’re not going to turn him over to you for your State homicide prosecution. No, we’re tough guys now. He’s got a coach seat on the first bus to Monterrey, sandwiches and rest stops included, all courtesy Uncle Sam. That’ll teach him!” Under this rule it’s a like a get out of State jail card. Run to ICE. Get a free trip home. Fight extradition from there. ICE as home base in any game of tag with the local authorities.
Look, if the problem in this Zarate situation was that the State of California seemed to cherry pick him right out of Federal custody and presumably off the deportation bus to Mexico, only to cut him loose right away —where and when he _afterwards_ killed someone, how would a blanket Federal ‘don’t take them off the bus’ rule solve that problem? The problem is/was the cutting loose without notice from the locals to the Feds + the time and means to put him back on the bus. A blanket rule against coughing up for State charges doesn’t solve that.
What am I missing?
Here’s an idea for when there’s zero trust on this between the Feds and the locals: Cough him up but with some sort of fool-proof monitoring system like ankle bracelets or embedded chips or something.
Keep in mind that the Federal bureaucracy under Obama, both the political appointees and the "permanent government" (and most of the Federal judges in CA) were on the same side as SF - it takes 2 to play sanctuary city. Trump has only a few political appointees to turn things around with - everyone else in the Fed gov. is a 5th column. Someone checked the campaign contribution records for the employees of the Consumer Finance Protection Bureau and the contributions were like 500 to 1 Democrat.Replies: @CMC, @RadicalCenter, @Kevin C.
How racist that the immigrant wasn’t given a medal.
An acquittal is not an injustice. I know you all hate Mexicans, but if the DA couldn’t beat a public defender even on involuntary manslaughter charges, THERE WAS NO CASE TO BEGIN WITH AND THIS ENTIRE THING IS A GIANT RIGHT WING FRAUD. Are you all seriously fascists now? If your political opponent wins one criminal trial are going to redo it until you get a conviction? You do realize that you might someday not be in power and that you could be on the pointy end of those procedures?
We've not only been long time on the pointy end, the spear has gone completely through us and is coming back for another run through.
Such phenomena used to occur with regularity in the South when Ku Kluxers killed a negro, bombed a black church, etc. How would leftists have reacted back then had they been told that if the DA couldn't beat the Kluxers, there was no case to begin with and it was all a giant left-wing fraud?Replies: @Cordelia, @Anonymous
Seriously, think about how this sounds to ordinary, deplorable white males, who know damn well they'll get the book thrown at them for any death they cause, accidental or otherwise.
Here's an example from an accidental shooting that killed a young woman in my county last year:
Lynden man gets max sentence for stray bullet that killed Alyssa Smith, 23, of Ferndale
Unfortunately for the above shooter, he wasn't an illegal alien in California. Things would have gone much better for him in that case.
Any competent manager with military experience could line up hundreds of deportation flights back to their third world nations. But the Federal bureaucracy seems incapable plus the money is not appropriated, on purpose.
PLUS some chartered flights would be Con-Air type flights with shackled passengers. How else do you deport 100 gangsters back to El Salvador. btw 25% of El Salvador lives here. I knew an illegal from there. Her husband spent thousands getting her legal status. For 13 years she was "trapped" here. First month she was legal she went back home to visit. This is one of the prime reasons illegal DACA and others want legal status. To flit back/ and forth from America to their homelands.Replies: @Enochian, @Wilkey, @Dave from Oz, @Eagle Eye, @ThreeCranes
> “Any competent manager with military experience could line up hundreds of deportation flights back to their third world nations.”
Prison ships. The proverbial “slow boat to China”. Two years at sea in a container, and at the end of the two years, offloaded at their country of origin.
Zarate’s story about the gun is wildly improbable. I wonder if he was pressed in court about what he claimed and if the prosecution understands pistols.
The gun was a Sig Sauer P229 in S&W .40 caliber. This is an expensive fire arm. I have one myself that I keep for home protection. These sell new for from $800 to $1,000. It is not a cheap “Saturday Night Special” throw away pistol. It was apparently stolen from some uniformed officer. It is unlikely that it would just be left lying around.
Zarate it is reported claimed that he picked it up and it accidentally discharged. The Sig like many pistols adopted by the police and the armed forces is a DA/SA design. A Double Action/Single Action pistol has a long heavy first pull and then a much lighter pull for subsequent shots. It is designed this way so as to avoid accidental discharges. The Glock pistols which do not have this action have a history of officers shooting themselves when being drawn from their holster. (Glock denies this). Whatever the truth of the matter the Sig is purposefully designed to be difficult to accidentally discharge.
It is possible that Zarate did accidentally discharge that pistol but if so it was a very unlikely event. He could not have picked a pistol less likely to go off by mistake.
In this particular case the defendant could also argue that the acquittal precludes any relitigation since the state court rejected even the involuntary manslaughter claim. This is case where there is as close to an official, legal decision that the death was an accident as possible.
Prosecute the City and County of San Francisco for conspiracy to violate the civil rights of Kate Steinle. Ideally, some pretense should be found for doing so in a different federal district, somewheres not under the jurisdiction of the 9th circuit.
Or, even more simply, every hard case that ICE rounds up – every MS-13 member, every serial drunk-driver, every drunken weenie-wagger – in lieu of deporting them, just bus them to San Francisco and let them out in Union Square. Hey, Frisco, you want illegal aliens? Here. Knock yourself out. Choke on ’em.
Legally?? Are you kidding me with this?
Losing with dignity…
Deported Mexicans should be flown back, too - all the way to the southernmost end of the country.
It hardly seems like deporting an illegal - even thousands or millions of them - should be a "logistical nightmare." It's a routine process with routine precautions and an easily defined protocol. Jails and prisons transport inmates all the time - hundreds or even thousands of times per day.
Deporting illegal immigrants via airplane seems like something that would be best done not by charter flight or on a scheduled passenger airline but by dedicated government-owned or leased aircraft. Given the numbers of illegals we should be deporting on a daily basis that hardly seems like a ridiculous expectation. A single 777 could easily deport 75,000 illegals in the course of a year (assuming ~200 passengers @ one round-trip flight per day). Buy or lease 30 of them and you could be deporting 2 million illegals a year.
Rounding them up and handling their legal proceedings would be more difficult, given current law, but that could easily be streamlined, too, with merely the political will. "Are you here legally?" "No, judge." "You are hereby deported." Want to appeal? Cool, file the appeal at the US embassy in your home country.
None of this should be underfunded. We clearly have the money, since our Republican congress has hit upon the brilliant idea of slashing taxes for billionaires. Maybe not slash their taxes quite so much. Building and manning a wall, for example? That would cost less than a single U.S. Navy carrier strike group - of which we currently have 11.Replies: @Anonymous, @anonymous-antimarxist, @Lurker
A single 777 could easily deport 75,000 illegals in the course of a year (assuming ~200 passengers @ one round-trip flight per day)
You are assuming that Mexico or Central America will just let you fly into their country and drop them off.
With in weeks Soros will be funding riot squads of protesters on the tarmac to stop the planes.
Send them on a bus or train to the border, put them over the wall let Mexico handle the rest. That is why you need a wall with armed security, drones, machine guns and maybe even land mines.
As Peter Brimelow has said you will only need to physically deport 10%, if you shut down the jobs magnet and remittances the rest will self deport.
The countries that send the vast majority of our illegals are in no position to stand up to the United States. We have more than enough carrots and sticks at our disposal to force them to take them back. Agree with you totally, of course, about the value of interior enforcement and finding ways to get them to self-deport.Replies: @David Davenport
You are dealing with the text, but the sub-text is really what is important. Think of the OJ trial. All of the forensic evidence, the unbelievable testimony, etc. is not what is important. What was important that the forces of good not hand a victory to the evil Trump, indeed that they rub his nose in it by setting the undocumented American free. The only pity is that this Dreamer won’t get to stay in America, the land of his dreams. Double action – shmubble action – who cares about such minutiae.
Guy, so you’re saying the twelve jurors would have had to conspire to reach the verdict they brought back? Interesting.
Maybe not civil rights but surely he violated SOME Federal law – God knows that we have enough of them. A weapons offense, re-entering the country illegally, hunting Federally protected endangered species (sea lions, not white people in SF), lying to an FBI agent, etc. Just pretend that he’s a Nazi or an official of the Trump Administration and I’m sure that some Federal prosecutor could find something to charge him with.
Either way, as far as I'm concerned, throwing good taxpayer money after bad trying and attempting to incarcerate this drug-addled loser is less relevant to me than bringing the "sanctuary city" renegade provinces to heel.Replies: @RadicalCenter
Two thoughts. The SF Chronicle published an editorial, by their editorial board, decrying the injustice of the verdict. Many commenters on their web site, S F Gate, say that the Chronicle is complicit in the verdict because they supported and still support all things “Sanctuary.” And secondly, never underestimate the stupidity of a jury. For reference Google Dr. James Corasanti and Alix Rice. Corasanti, was still above the legal alcohol limit five hours after he hit Alix and left the scene. Alix died on a lawn 167 feet from were Corasanti’s BMV SUV struck her. His lawyers convinced the jury that the Dr. was unaware that he hit anything. Read it, too long to post.
It is a Bubba Clinton / Diane Feinstein tactic to feign sympathy with the middle class & law & order concerns, while running the clock out on the population replacement agenda.
Once the Uniparty is completely entrenched, with no further chance for White resistance, they'll discard such play acting gambits.
Jury: Twelve people too dumb to get out of jury duty.
Paul Ryan and the GOP leadership consider an easy to implement and enforce 10-15% tax on remittances to Latin America beyond the pale. They claim “that’s not who we are.” It would pay for the wall in three to five years.
Billing the country of origin sounds great, but there isn’t the political will to enforce it. The only way I think they could do it would be to deduct it from the foreign aid.
I see some people at RedState are defending the jury decision not to find this guy guilty even of manslaughter.
They point out that it was possible that the guy did indeed pick up the gun which indeed accidentally went off, so that it wasn’t criminal negligence.
Yeah, right, and monkeys could fly out of my ass. The a priori probability of this taking place is so close to zero it can’t be measured.
They don’t say a word about the fact that this guy was caught telling inconsistent stories about what happened. One moment, he claims he was shooting at seals. The next, he stepped on the gun. The final story, I gather, was that he found it in a cloth and it went off accidentally when he dropped it.
The RedState geniuses never ask how telling these stories makes sense if the guy really always had the most innocuous story of all available to him, namely the supposedly true one. They never address the inconsistency issue at all.
They blame the prosecution for not making the manslaughter case the focus of the prosecution. But how hard is it for a jury of 12 with any real interest in justice to think about the facts I just mentioned, whether or not they were focused on like a laser by the prosecution? It’s better to let the guy off with a slap on the wrist?
What a bunch of hacks at RedState.
Don’t let your mind get so open your brains fall out, you know?
This is enough like the Streisand Effect but a variant that requires a new name?
Were the man to have been convicted, it would have been “illegal immigrant performs illegal act, gets just deserts, justice done, move along.” That he didn’t get convicted is not handing Mr. Trump a victory? Excuse the analogy, but it is giving Mr. Trump a big fat box of factory-fresh ammunition?
That the man was only convicted on a minor count, I am OK with that, I was not in the courtroom, I was not privy to the “Twelve Angry Men” jury deliberations, let the rule of law and the procedures for conducting it prevail. I seriously believe that.
What really, really gets me going are the smug statements of the end-zone dance of his attorneys. Boy does that get me . . .
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=I+am+altering+the+deal+pray+that+I+don%27t+alter+it+again+robot+chicken&view=detail&mid=3CDCBA8A58535573FA463CDCBA8A58535573FA46&FORM=VIRE
“This deal! . . . Is very fair, and I am happy to be a part of it”
. . . um, no! I am perfectly with what these attorneys had to say. I think their remarks should be given the widest, possible distribution. Why I think some “sound bites” from their press conference would make for a great campaign ad, don’t you?
Or, even more simply, every hard case that ICE rounds up - every MS-13 member, every serial drunk-driver, every drunken weenie-wagger - in lieu of deporting them, just bus them to San Francisco and let them out in Union Square. Hey, Frisco, you want illegal aliens? Here. Knock yourself out. Choke on 'em.Replies: @The preferred nomenclature is...
This.
My understanding is that the feds maintain physical custody. The state can run him through all the hearings; trials; sessions; etc, but the feds always get him back at the end of the day.
San Francisco, Denver, LA, Portland, etc. They are becoming separate countries that just happen to lie within the US. They are run by fork tongued Commie Lawyers & will soon be beyond reform. Best option is begin cordoning them off financially with boycotts & freezing federal funds. Eventually the National Guard can be sent in to detain those administering their subversive Sanctuary City policies.
The SF Chronicle doesn’t give a damn about the verdict.
It is a Bubba Clinton / Diane Feinstein tactic to feign sympathy with the middle class & law & order concerns, while running the clock out on the population replacement agenda.
Once the Uniparty is completely entrenched, with no further chance for White resistance, they’ll discard such play acting gambits.
And if Trump and Sessions are going to get money to expand ICE as part of an increase in immigration enforcement, they ought to poach the hell out of local police departments where immigration enforcement is a priority (which happen to be often sanctuary cities). Offer big hiring bonuses plus time-in-grade recognition plus age waivers to grab up experienced local cops who know the cities well and have existing connections within their old departments.Replies: @bomag, @Kevin C.
This.
A lot of the court system is already “punishment by process”. Time to play the game by the same rules as the other side.
Steve, how do you say “…and then the gun went off” in Spanish?
Of course it'll never happen.Replies: @rogue-one, @Farenheit
>Of course it’ll never happen.
Not until whites start voting as a distinct interest group. But that will be racist.
LOL
We’ve not only been long time on the pointy end, the spear has gone completely through us and is coming back for another run through.
Before we send them back to their countries of origin, we should sever their Achilles’s tendons.
It sure can be, when a guilty person gets away with hurting other people. Think about the injustice done to the Goldman family when OJ was acquitted.
In this case, the perp was clearly guilty of at least involuntary manslaughter. In any other jurisdiction, and in any non-politically charged case, someone playing with a gun in a crowded area who manages to shoot and kill someone else is getting at least involuntary manslaughter, but most likely manslaughter or second degree murder. This was a travesty.
Last year a audio clip began making the rounds in San Francisco, off the record interview with a highly placed City official. It was Zarate who in fact stole gun from the BLM vehicle. I can only think that it was determined quite quickly that one important factor was to remove him from active association with the gun. To move to hapless near idiot accidentally finds gun accidentally picks it up and it goes off – which is NOT what happened
I think he played with the gun, spinning in his seat on the pier. And did contemplate shooting seals .. did discharge the gun. Utterly reckless and endangered everyone on the pier. It did ricochet and killed Steinle. He killed her
Gonzales and Ugarte are zealots. Crazed zealots. Adachi the Public Defender has become one in recent years. Gascon the DA us one of the authors of Prop 47, which has roiled the crime situation in California Gascon appears to be in hiding but Adachi Gonzales and especially Ugarte had long comments Post verdict
The prosecution badly mishandled the trial and I believe we have an engineered outcome. At some point a Juroror several jurors will start talking. Their names are sealed, for now and supposedly they are not to accept pay to talk for 90 days. We’ll see
There are other possibilities. One is that the prosecution “threw the fight.” The other is that it was a case of jury nullification. It could be both at once.
Such phenomena used to occur with regularity in the South when Ku Kluxers killed a negro, bombed a black church, etc. How would leftists have reacted back then had they been told that if the DA couldn’t beat the Kluxers, there was no case to begin with and it was all a giant left-wing fraud?
Seriously, though, do you want to have a world where the government can keep trying people over and over until they finally get a conviction? You really are Nazis and a genuine threat to the lives and property of the rest of us.Replies: @Crawfurdmuir, @Tex
Community standards in the Bay Area are very different from what they are in most of the rest of the US, hence the outrage.Replies: @bomag, @Kevin C.
Deported Mexicans should be flown back, too - all the way to the southernmost end of the country.
It hardly seems like deporting an illegal - even thousands or millions of them - should be a "logistical nightmare." It's a routine process with routine precautions and an easily defined protocol. Jails and prisons transport inmates all the time - hundreds or even thousands of times per day.
Deporting illegal immigrants via airplane seems like something that would be best done not by charter flight or on a scheduled passenger airline but by dedicated government-owned or leased aircraft. Given the numbers of illegals we should be deporting on a daily basis that hardly seems like a ridiculous expectation. A single 777 could easily deport 75,000 illegals in the course of a year (assuming ~200 passengers @ one round-trip flight per day). Buy or lease 30 of them and you could be deporting 2 million illegals a year.
Rounding them up and handling their legal proceedings would be more difficult, given current law, but that could easily be streamlined, too, with merely the political will. "Are you here legally?" "No, judge." "You are hereby deported." Want to appeal? Cool, file the appeal at the US embassy in your home country.
None of this should be underfunded. We clearly have the money, since our Republican congress has hit upon the brilliant idea of slashing taxes for billionaires. Maybe not slash their taxes quite so much. Building and manning a wall, for example? That would cost less than a single U.S. Navy carrier strike group - of which we currently have 11.Replies: @Anonymous, @anonymous-antimarxist, @Lurker
I think the wall costs have probably been overestimated as well. In no particular order – there are already bits of barrier in place, economies of scale, use of military personnel for construction, potential for civilian volunteers to help and/or sponsor. It all adds up.
The latest aircraft carrier is expected to cost about $12.8 billion to build. That doesn't count the 80 or so aircraft it will carry, the other ships that are part of a strike group, or, of course, the manpower. Even at $1,000 per foot a wall would cost less than the carrier and manpower wise would probably be roughly equivalent to a strike group. Maintenance costs, of course, would be far lower for the wall and for the equipment used to guard it.
Forget about Zarate.
If I were the girls family, I would hire the best law firm in the country and sue the city, county, state governments and the federal agency that lost the gun. They were all negligent. They even declare their pride in this negligence. Sue them all and declare the award for over 1B dollars.
When I win, I would fund every group with a class action lawsuit against all of them. I would put liens on all government property until they paid in full. I would keep doing it until they had to sell city and county halls to pay off their debt.
To “spite the interlopers”? Frank was a horndog, a shiksa teenybopper diddler. He got caught. He and his “interlopers” did their damnedest to blame the “n****r”, but it didn’t work.
Such phenomena used to occur with regularity in the South when Ku Kluxers killed a negro, bombed a black church, etc. How would leftists have reacted back then had they been told that if the DA couldn't beat the Kluxers, there was no case to begin with and it was all a giant left-wing fraud?Replies: @Cordelia, @Anonymous
So you’re taking a page from the leftist playbook? I will have to look up the cases and find out how many were acquittals and how many were mistrials, which do allow retrials, but unless things are a lot different than I think they are, if the defendants were actually acquitted, as opposed to the jury failing to reach a verdict, then they could not be retried for anything criminal based in the same set of facts. Later civil suits would not be subject to the double jeopardy prohibition.
Seriously, though, do you want to have a world where the government can keep trying people over and over until they finally get a conviction? You really are Nazis and a genuine threat to the lives and property of the rest of us.
But if the right fails to show utmost respect for the spirit of the law above and beyond the actual letter as practiced for forty years, we're literally Nazis.
Nice try, troll.
Any competent manager with military experience could line up hundreds of deportation flights back to their third world nations. But the Federal bureaucracy seems incapable plus the money is not appropriated, on purpose.
PLUS some chartered flights would be Con-Air type flights with shackled passengers. How else do you deport 100 gangsters back to El Salvador. btw 25% of El Salvador lives here. I knew an illegal from there. Her husband spent thousands getting her legal status. For 13 years she was "trapped" here. First month she was legal she went back home to visit. This is one of the prime reasons illegal DACA and others want legal status. To flit back/ and forth from America to their homelands.Replies: @Enochian, @Wilkey, @Dave from Oz, @Eagle Eye, @ThreeCranes
A few points:
(1) Illegals should NEVER BE SENT “HOME.” They should always be sent to a far-away country that is willing to take them for a few dollars. Many African countries would appreciate the chance to earn a little money. “Development assistance” can be cut proportionately.
Think of Juan in Oaxaca planning out his future. He knows that the worst that can happen to him is to be shipped from el Norte back to Mexico, as recently happened to his cousin Jaime. The situation looks very different to Juan if hears about desperate phone calls from Jaime complaining about his new life in Mugabia (former Zimbabwe).
(2) Removals should be carried out by FedEx, UPS and other private companies competing with each other. A federal removal agency will inevitably lead to gold-plating, unionized practices, etc. No enterprise should get more than 5% of the total volume. There should be stiff but fixed contractual penalties if illegals are injured or die in transit.
(3) Supervision of the removal system should also be by competing private-sector contractors like Underwriters Laboratories etc.
(4) Lawsuits arising from removal activities are exclusively heard in federal court in North Dakota. No lawsuits on the coasts.
(5) Spouses of illegals are responsible for removal costs.
Yrah, because those companies would love to suffer the PR backlash from handling a small volume of deportation work.
The job should be performed by the government. Give the workers there nice big fat union contracts. I'm more than happy to pay it. The airplanes? The military probably has more than enough surplus airlift capacity to lease their aircraft out to ICE. The aircraft would come at little actual cost to the US government.Replies: @RadicalCenter
Of course it'll never happen.Replies: @rogue-one, @Farenheit
Sanctuary Cities, don’t grind on them to help with deportation, just have all the cities that want to get ride of their illegals, and homeless, and druggies, just flood these “sanctuary” jurisdiction with their human detritus.
Visualize this…A couple of those 100 passenger Google type buses full of Garcia Zarates, and his schizophrenic fellow travelers, getting dropped off in front of Nancy Pelosi’s or Diane Feinstein’s SF mansion every week, all from Texas, Idaho and Utah. Sweet!!!
We’ve been “on the pointy end” since the 1960s. If a white “racist” had discharged a weapon and hit a black, would he get off the hook? Even if he said he just found the gun lying on the ground and didn’t actually mean to hit the black?
Seriously, think about how this sounds to ordinary, deplorable white males, who know damn well they’ll get the book thrown at them for any death they cause, accidental or otherwise.
Here’s an example from an accidental shooting that killed a young woman in my county last year:
Lynden man gets max sentence for stray bullet that killed Alyssa Smith, 23, of Ferndale
Unfortunately for the above shooter, he wasn’t an illegal alien in California. Things would have gone much better for him in that case.
Were the man to have been convicted, it would have been "illegal immigrant performs illegal act, gets just deserts, justice done, move along." That he didn't get convicted is not handing Mr. Trump a victory? Excuse the analogy, but it is giving Mr. Trump a big fat box of factory-fresh ammunition?
That the man was only convicted on a minor count, I am OK with that, I was not in the courtroom, I was not privy to the "Twelve Angry Men" jury deliberations, let the rule of law and the procedures for conducting it prevail. I seriously believe that.
What really, really gets me going are the smug statements of the end-zone dance of his attorneys. Boy does that get me . . .
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=I+am+altering+the+deal+pray+that+I+don%27t+alter+it+again+robot+chicken&view=detail&mid=3CDCBA8A58535573FA463CDCBA8A58535573FA46&FORM=VIRE
"This deal! . . . Is very fair, and I am happy to be a part of it"
. . . um, no! I am perfectly with what these attorneys had to say. I think their remarks should be given the widest, possible distribution. Why I think some "sound bites" from their press conference would make for a great campaign ad, don't you?Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
Sure this is true, but it is also another warning sign that there is now a clear civil division in the country of our birth.
A hard winter is coming on…
…Not only in natural fact, but inside our national body. This is not something any of us would have wanted, but we must now prepare for it.
You are a reasonable, Western man. That is why you think that way. That works when you have a nation of people who understand and love the rule of law that has been a hallmark of our civilization.
Thinking people now see this verdict as a big, F-YOU volley against our rightfully elected president, against our laws and our rule of law, against our sovereignty, and against our American demographic.
You don’t know how the prosecutors operated, what the jurors’ allegiances were, or what the real intentions of anybody there were. You have no guarantee even that the DA in San Francisco even wanted a guilty verdict. Many of us now feel that this whole circus was all understood by the participants there to have an inevitable outcome of acquittal.
In any case, there is a division in this country, and this outcome exemplifies it. San Francisco virtually guaranteed that this would happen.
Crap like this is more straw on the back of America. This straw today feels particularly heavy. One is tempted to say this is the time our back broke and there is now undeniably a civil war in this country.
Gnaw on this:
Think about how the suspect’s story changed over time, eventually becoming a gun hidden inside a cloth, conveniently protecting him from the guilt of knowingly handling a firearm he was forbidden by law to handle. Do you think that second-grade moron thought that up himself?
Long they’d hosted the lawless ingrate;
Long they’d suffered the sneers of the State.
But when patriots learned
What the jury returned,
They remembered the Saxon could hate.
Felon in possession under federal law (18 U.S.C. §§ 922(g), 924(a)(2)) is good for up to ten years. Feel free to take it up with the U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of California, Mr. Brian Stretch. https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndca/meet-us-attorney Keep in mind though that the case would be right back in front of a Bay Area jury, per the Sixth Amendment.
Either way, as far as I’m concerned, throwing good taxpayer money after bad trying and attempting to incarcerate this drug-addled loser is less relevant to me than bringing the “sanctuary city” renegade provinces to heel.
All Hispanic jury? Or just all San Francisco jury?
This is not true. The state and the Federal government are separate sovereigns and double jeopardy does not apply. The Feds can always try you for a Federal crime (if you have committed a Federal crime) even if you have been acquitted on state law charges based on the same set of facts.
Re: Stupidity of the Jury: The Bob Menendez trial where a juror asked the judge “What’s a Senator?”
Jury: Twelve people too dumb to get out of jury duty.
This will end up being a major plus in the long run for immigration patriots, as this guy will cross the border, kill or attack somebody again. That’s what guys like him do. But I understand it’s difficult at the moment for people who believe in justice.
Wrong.
You write like a NYT editorial writer–‘Let’s find the worst possible reasons to justify terrible, unjustifiable practices.’
Considering that so-called civil rights prosecutions and the laws that serve as their pretexts are unconstitutional six ways from Sunday, one can justify a civil rights prosecution on behalf of Kate Steinle against her murderer, Senor Many Names, using any pretext one likes, or no pretext.
“I think the wall costs have probably been overestimated as well”
The latest aircraft carrier is expected to cost about $12.8 billion to build. That doesn’t count the 80 or so aircraft it will carry, the other ships that are part of a strike group, or, of course, the manpower. Even at $1,000 per foot a wall would cost less than the carrier and manpower wise would probably be roughly equivalent to a strike group. Maintenance costs, of course, would be far lower for the wall and for the equipment used to guard it.
You are assuming that Mexico or Central America will just let you fly into their country and drop them off.
With in weeks Soros will be funding riot squads of protesters on the tarmac to stop the planes.
Send them on a bus or train to the border, put them over the wall let Mexico handle the rest. That is why you need a wall with armed security, drones, machine guns and maybe even land mines.
As Peter Brimelow has said you will only need to physically deport 10%, if you shut down the jobs magnet and remittances the rest will self deport.Replies: @Wilkey
“You are assuming that Mexico or Central America will just let you fly into their country and drop them off.”
The countries that send the vast majority of our illegals are in no position to stand up to the United States. We have more than enough carrots and sticks at our disposal to force them to take them back. Agree with you totally, of course, about the value of interior enforcement and finding ways to get them to self-deport.
That's an excellent idea: deport them to Afghanland. No need to spend money on a bureaucratic prison system ... Just turn them lose there.Replies: @BB753, @Eagle Eye
“Removals should be carried out by FedEx, UPS and other private companies competing with each other. A federal removal agency will inevitably lead to gold-plating, unionized practices, etc.”
Yrah, because those companies would love to suffer the PR backlash from handling a small volume of deportation work.
The job should be performed by the government. Give the workers there nice big fat union contracts. I’m more than happy to pay it. The airplanes? The military probably has more than enough surplus airlift capacity to lease their aircraft out to ICE. The aircraft would come at little actual cost to the US government.
People are blaming this all on SF but the Feds f’ed up also. It has always been the policy, even in SF, to hand over illegal aliens with outstanding Federal warrants to the Feds. When they get done with Zarate now, he is going over to the Feds because the Feds have presented them with a warrant. Disobeying a Federal warrant is a good way to get arrested by the US Marshal even if you are a SF cop, judge, whatever. The problem was, when they turned Zarate over to SF for his stupid marijuana charge (for which SF let him out in like 5 minutes) they neglected to give SF a warrant for his return. SF therefore was legally free (and it was their policy as a sanctuary city) to let him walk out of the jail the same as anyone else they are done with. In the absence of a warrant, they had no legal obligation to call the Feds to come pick him up.
Keep in mind that the Federal bureaucracy under Obama, both the political appointees and the “permanent government” (and most of the Federal judges in CA) were on the same side as SF – it takes 2 to play sanctuary city. Trump has only a few political appointees to turn things around with – everyone else in the Fed gov. is a 5th column. Someone checked the campaign contribution records for the employees of the Consumer Finance Protection Bureau and the contributions were like 500 to 1 Democrat.
Cordellia, In Buffalo, Chicago and Cleveland there have been recent cases were a thug fired shots that penetrated a house killing or maiming an innocent victim. There would be, in your mind, no culpability on the part of the shooter?
Cordellia, I usually don’t get into chicken fights, but support your legal opinions with your CV. Are you an attorney?
The volume is massive. We have at least 500,000 aliens in federal and state prisons.
Some 20 million illegals live in the U.S. At least one million is currently deportable due to felony convictions, re-entry etc.
At $1,000 per person, we are talking about a billion dollar business. FedEx and UPS will be happy to take the business either in their own name or through special purpose subsidiaries. (Or they just provide planes as infrastructure for specialized operators.)
The PR answer is to Make Deportation Cool Again.
Double jeopardy worked in the Rodney King case. Why can’t it here?
Yes, but civil and retired.
Seriously, though, do you want to have a world where the government can keep trying people over and over until they finally get a conviction? You really are Nazis and a genuine threat to the lives and property of the rest of us.Replies: @Crawfurdmuir, @Tex
A “world where government can keep trying people over and over until they can get a conviction” would not be “Nazi,” by the way. It would be contemporary Germany, which recently eliminated legal obstacles against double jeopardy and ex post facto laws in order to convict Oskar Groening, the so-called accountant of Auschwitz, who had after criminal investigation more than 40 years ago been cleared of any prosecutable offense.
What I do want is recognition that what happened in San Francisco was a miscarriage of justice brought about either by the prosecution throwing the fight, or by jury nullification.
There’s nothing we can do about either, but certainly the U.S. Department of Justice should seek Federal criminal charges for the illegal alien’s other crimes, such as repeated illegal entry into the country and possession of a firearm by a felon. He should serve his sentences for these offenses consecutively and then be deported.
Seriously, though, do you want to have a world where the government can keep trying people over and over until they finally get a conviction? You really are Nazis and a genuine threat to the lives and property of the rest of us.Replies: @Crawfurdmuir, @Tex
The left has steadily undermined the rule of law to the point of absurdity: an illegal immigrant can steal a gun and kill a woman with it and get no more than a slap on the wrist, major cities are actively undermining enforcement of federal law, leftist courts prevent voter ID laws to facilitate vote fraud.
But if the right fails to show utmost respect for the spirit of the law above and beyond the actual letter as practiced for forty years, we’re literally Nazis.
Nice try, troll.
Any competent manager with military experience could line up hundreds of deportation flights back to their third world nations. But the Federal bureaucracy seems incapable plus the money is not appropriated, on purpose.
PLUS some chartered flights would be Con-Air type flights with shackled passengers. How else do you deport 100 gangsters back to El Salvador. btw 25% of El Salvador lives here. I knew an illegal from there. Her husband spent thousands getting her legal status. For 13 years she was "trapped" here. First month she was legal she went back home to visit. This is one of the prime reasons illegal DACA and others want legal status. To flit back/ and forth from America to their homelands.Replies: @Enochian, @Wilkey, @Dave from Oz, @Eagle Eye, @ThreeCranes
My vision of a “Con-Air type flights with shackled passengers” involves a windowless plane that is lined with a giant, polished stainless steel tube as the interior. The seats would be anchored in tracks running the length of the plane. When the plane is over the disembarkation point, a hindmost hatch opens (like on a Hercules type transport) out of which a parachute opens which is connected to the seats which are then pulled along the track and out the hatch like beads on a necklace. The slick, smooth interior prevents people from grabbing onto anything once they realize what’s happening and it makes it easy to clean up any mess afterwards. They could be released over the ocean or land, whichever is most convenient.
Keep in mind that the Federal bureaucracy under Obama, both the political appointees and the "permanent government" (and most of the Federal judges in CA) were on the same side as SF - it takes 2 to play sanctuary city. Trump has only a few political appointees to turn things around with - everyone else in the Fed gov. is a 5th column. Someone checked the campaign contribution records for the employees of the Consumer Finance Protection Bureau and the contributions were like 500 to 1 Democrat.Replies: @CMC, @RadicalCenter, @Kevin C.
Good report, thanks
At minimum they need to deport the guy. If they don’t then Trump and Sessions are the same as the old bosses.
Cordelia, Thank. I try to be civil and I’m retired too.
You write like a NYT editorial writer--'Let's find the worst possible reasons to justify terrible, unjustifiable practices.'
Considering that so-called civil rights prosecutions and the laws that serve as their pretexts are unconstitutional six ways from Sunday, one can justify a civil rights prosecution on behalf of Kate Steinle against her murderer, Senor Many Names, using any pretext one likes, or no pretext.Replies: @Thomas
You’re more than welcome to take a look at the federal civil rights criminal statutes for yourself and let me know if you find anything applicable. (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/part-I/chapter-13) You’re also welcome to cite any authority you can find for the position that the supposed unconstitutionality of some prosecution would thereby render legal a prosecution absent any statutory basis.
Trump’s campaign book proposed levying a tax on remittance Of money to recipients in foreign countries. That was a great idea for funding the construction of a border wall, and such revenue could be used to fund deportations as well.
The fact that he has never mentioned the idea again, let alone had allies introduce legislation to that effect, combined with many other instances of inaction where executive orders were a ready option, tell us what we need to know about him and his administration.
The fact that he has never mentioned the idea again, let alone had allies introduce legislation to that effect, combined with many other instances of inaction where executive orders were a ready option, tell us what we need to know about him and his administration.
But what alternative do we to supporting Trump? Vote for Mittens Romney and Egg MacMuffin?
You're a Never Trumper, aren't you?Replies: @Kevin C.
Keep in mind that the Federal bureaucracy under Obama, both the political appointees and the "permanent government" (and most of the Federal judges in CA) were on the same side as SF - it takes 2 to play sanctuary city. Trump has only a few political appointees to turn things around with - everyone else in the Fed gov. is a 5th column. Someone checked the campaign contribution records for the employees of the Consumer Finance Protection Bureau and the contributions were like 500 to 1 Democrat.Replies: @CMC, @RadicalCenter, @Kevin C.
Not surprising. And federal employees shouldn’t even be allowed to donate to candidates, parties, or PACs. Including our ever glorified military (notwithstanding that so many active and retired military donated to my man Ron Paul in 2008 and 2012).
Yrah, because those companies would love to suffer the PR backlash from handling a small volume of deportation work.
The job should be performed by the government. Give the workers there nice big fat union contracts. I'm more than happy to pay it. The airplanes? The military probably has more than enough surplus airlift capacity to lease their aircraft out to ICE. The aircraft would come at little actual cost to the US government.Replies: @RadicalCenter
UPS and Fed Ex ought to be more afraid of the backlash from Americans if they refuse to help with deportations. Screw them.
Such phenomena used to occur with regularity in the South when Ku Kluxers killed a negro, bombed a black church, etc. How would leftists have reacted back then had they been told that if the DA couldn't beat the Kluxers, there was no case to begin with and it was all a giant left-wing fraud?Replies: @Cordelia, @Anonymous
The real purpose of juries is and always has been to present a credible threat of jury nullification of the prosecution. This keeps the system within “community standards” unless the jury consists of total cucks. Blacks, mestizos, orientals and Jews are rarely if ever cucks. Whites often are.
Community standards in the Bay Area are very different from what they are in most of the rest of the US, hence the outrage.
They are plenty happy to politicize everything, especially judicial proceedings.
When the cuckoo bird itself shows up in the jury box, you haven't gained anything.
Either way, as far as I'm concerned, throwing good taxpayer money after bad trying and attempting to incarcerate this drug-addled loser is less relevant to me than bringing the "sanctuary city" renegade provinces to heel.Replies: @RadicalCenter
No, her family and friends and all of us deserve the imposition of justice on this murdering scumbag. We can do that and defund and punish sanctuary cities alike. We can walk and chew gum at the same time, as they used to say.
All this sturm und drang...I didn’t even read it.
The obvious solution is to run him as the Democrat presidential candidate in 2020.
To do any less would be racist, to say the least.
The fact that he has never mentioned the idea again, let alone had allies introduce legislation to that effect, combined with many other instances of inaction where executive orders were a ready option, tell us what we need to know about him and his administration.Replies: @Anon, @David Davenport
Alas, sadly you are correct. But how high were our expectations really? We were expecting he’d be better than a Hillary administration. So our expectations have been met, so far.
The countries that send the vast majority of our illegals are in no position to stand up to the United States. We have more than enough carrots and sticks at our disposal to force them to take them back. Agree with you totally, of course, about the value of interior enforcement and finding ways to get them to self-deport.Replies: @David Davenport
Why deport the Central Americans back to Mexico? They’ll just come back. Put them on military transports and deport them to Afghanistan. A few diversity enclaves in the Kunar Province could only be a good thing, amirite?
That’s an excellent idea: deport them to Afghanland. No need to spend money on a bureaucratic prison system … Just turn them lose there.
The fact that he has never mentioned the idea again, let alone had allies introduce legislation to that effect, combined with many other instances of inaction where executive orders were a ready option, tell us what we need to know about him and his administration.Replies: @Anon, @David Davenport
Trump’s campaign book proposed levying a tax on remittance Of money to recipients in foreign countries. That was a great idea for funding the construction of a border wall, and such revenue could be used to fund deportations as well.
The fact that he has never mentioned the idea again, let alone had allies introduce legislation to that effect, combined with many other instances of inaction where executive orders were a ready option, tell us what we need to know about him and his administration.
But what alternative do we to supporting Trump? Vote for Mittens Romney and Egg MacMuffin?
You’re a Never Trumper, aren’t you?
That's an excellent idea: deport them to Afghanland. No need to spend money on a bureaucratic prison system ... Just turn them lose there.Replies: @BB753, @Eagle Eye
Indeed, the missing ingredient to neocon nation-building efforts in Irak and Afghanistan, the very reason for its failure, has been lack of diversity, or not enough diversity. Surely, those countries will greatly improve with some vibrancy from Mexico, El Salvador, Haiti, Nigeria and other great countries! Instant cultural and economic enrichment by diversity!
This, this was the most amazing news (duh, animals that we never think about/give a crap about – like, lab rats) this week: In the 60’s, I saw those rat faces on the tracks/stations, while going to choir practice or Girls Scouts in Brooklyn. I loved the Willard movies because I saw those beady eyes! – haha. I was scared, but, by then, I had developed a “wild-animal return face,” so to speak! haha! I think, I was scarier! – I never got bitten – and there were a shit ton of rats from 1970-1990, roughly. The largest rat I encountered was probably, 20 lbs. It was running, but from my apt complex.
haha, I think my point is: I was scared that the rats were getting bigger and bigger per year. But, I never realized that the NYC rats had their own “countries” as far as NYC. Maybe, there was a chance that giving them a certain type of cheese to eat would have “civilized them/tamed them like dogs?”
That's an excellent idea: deport them to Afghanland. No need to spend money on a bureaucratic prison system ... Just turn them lose there.Replies: @BB753, @Eagle Eye
The lifestyle writers at the NYT and New Yorker will love the fabulous, vibrant Af-Mex cuisine.
If I were the girls family, I would hire the best law firm in the country and sue the city, county, state governments and the federal agency that lost the gun. They were all negligent. They even declare their pride in this negligence. Sue them all and declare the award for over 1B dollars.
When I win, I would fund every group with a class action lawsuit against all of them. I would put liens on all government property until they paid in full. I would keep doing it until they had to sell city and county halls to pay off their debt.Replies: @Cortes
If you add the individuals involved as co-defendants I’d agree completely.
Community standards in the Bay Area are very different from what they are in most of the rest of the US, hence the outrage.Replies: @bomag, @Kevin C.
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They are plenty happy to politicize everything, especially judicial proceedings.
When the cuckoo bird itself shows up in the jury box, you haven’t gained anything.
And if Trump and Sessions are going to get money to expand ICE as part of an increase in immigration enforcement, they ought to poach the hell out of local police departments where immigration enforcement is a priority (which happen to be often sanctuary cities). Offer big hiring bonuses plus time-in-grade recognition plus age waivers to grab up experienced local cops who know the cities well and have existing connections within their old departments.Replies: @bomag, @Kevin C.
Because the bureaucracy you want them to ‘creatively and maliciously use’ is composed mostly of their enemies.
Keep in mind that the Federal bureaucracy under Obama, both the political appointees and the "permanent government" (and most of the Federal judges in CA) were on the same side as SF - it takes 2 to play sanctuary city. Trump has only a few political appointees to turn things around with - everyone else in the Fed gov. is a 5th column. Someone checked the campaign contribution records for the employees of the Consumer Finance Protection Bureau and the contributions were like 500 to 1 Democrat.Replies: @CMC, @RadicalCenter, @Kevin C.
This, this, this! It doesn’t matter who we Deplorables vote into the temporary, merely-elected “government,” the real power belongs to the unelected, “permanent” FedGov, which belongs to the Left. All these “clever tricks” people keep putting forth to use the Feds against California and “sanctuary cities” are fundamentally unworkable because they’d have to be implemented by people who are >90% on the side of the illegals and the sanctuary cities. It can’t be done. They have all the power.
Community standards in the Bay Area are very different from what they are in most of the rest of the US, hence the outrage.Replies: @bomag, @Kevin C.
Yes, a Common Law system (of which the jury system is a part) requires a common morality, and thus a common culture. America hasn’t really had that for a century at least (see Albion’s Seed, and the chapter of The Collapse of American Criminal Justice about the “first culture war”). Not to mention the Anglo-Saxon court system only works well when you have Anglo-Saxon crime rates (again see The Collapse of American Criminal Justice on our system’s dependence on the vast majority of cases being plea-bargained).
The fact that he has never mentioned the idea again, let alone had allies introduce legislation to that effect, combined with many other instances of inaction where executive orders were a ready option, tell us what we need to know about him and his administration.
But what alternative do we to supporting Trump? Vote for Mittens Romney and Egg MacMuffin?
You're a Never Trumper, aren't you?Replies: @Kevin C.
We have no “alternatives”, no “options”. Only some adjustments in the speed with which our doom comes. There is no hope.
There is one major problem with this idea: getting the police involved directly in politics has the potential to plunge America into chaos.
The US military is incapable of occupying all of america, and it certainly can’t conduct a coup. So in practice, sovereignty is held by the police forces. It is fortunate that outside of the major cities, the police are too moral and disorganized to abuse their power systematically, but that changes when they begin exchanging favors with anyone but their aldermen.
If you organize the DOJ to contact police forces directly, then the fact of police sovereignty becomes more obvious. And that has the potential for political conflict involving police forces, which would fracture america into county-sized bits.
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