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From the New York Times’ “Upshot” data journalism section:

What Can Be Learned From Differing Rates of Suicide Among Groups
White Americans have higher rates than most other racial and ethnic groups.

By Austin Frakt

Austin Frakt is director of the Partnered Evidence-Based Policy Resource Center at the V.A. Boston Healthcare System; associate professor with Boston University’s School of Public Health; and a senior research scientist with the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health. He blogs at The Incidental Economist, and you can follow him on Twitter at @afrakt

Dec. 30, 2020

U.S. suicide rates vary widely across racial and ethnic groups in ways that can upend expectations. The explanations may suggest avenues for prevention.

Suicide in America has been rising for two decades, with rates for white Americans consistently well above those for Asian-Americans, Black Americans and Hispanics.

In data released in 2017, the rate for white Americans was around 19 per 100,000, and it was about 7.1 for both Hispanics and Asian-Americans/Pacific Islanders, and 6.6 for Black Americans, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Emotional and social stress is associated with suicide. From this, a puzzle emerges.

Because of pervasive racism, Black Americans experience substantial stress, fewer opportunities for advancement and more threats to well-being. These negative experiences can degrade mental and physical health, as well as limit education, employment and income — all of which can increase suicide risk. Unemployment, which is higher for Black Americans than white Americans, is itself a source of stress.

Yet the Black suicide rate is about one-third that of whites.

OK, so Occam’s Razor might suggest, therefore, that African-Americans aren’t suffering much from pervasive racism, indeed, that they aren’t suffering all that much in general.

“Social stressors — lower socioeconomic status and racism among them — are more prevalent and severe for the Black population than the white one,” said Joshua Breslau, a senior behavioral and social scientist at RAND. “But suicide and some risk factors for it, like mental health conditions, are less prevalent in the Black population. This is puzzling.” …

Maybe one reason blacks have more social stressors is because they are less stressed about them?

But misclassification cannot fully explain the racial difference in suicide. Other factors may help protect Black Americans from suicide, despite conditions that would seem to place them at higher risk. Dawne Mouzon, a sociologist and associate professor at Rutgers University, suggested that religious involvement is one source of protection. Black Americans overwhelmingly identify as Christian. “Because of their faith, Black Americans are more likely to believe suicide precludes reaching heaven after death,” she said.

Although church membership has trended downward over the last two decades, it has been lower and fallen faster for white Americans than Black Americans. According to a national survey by the Pew Research Center, by almost any measure of religiosity, Black Americans are more religious than whites. Emotional and social support from a church congregation may also confer mental health benefits, Professor Mouzon added. …

Single parenthood is another possible explanation. Black women are more likely to be single parents than white women, and they have the lowest suicide rates across any race/gender group. (Suicide is less common among women than men in general.) …

Maybe blacks have low suicide rates because they externalize more than they internalize, as seen in their having a homicide rate 8.2 times as high as nonblacks in 2019? If somebody disses you, rather than dwell on what’s wrong with you that that person said something so unkind about you, you go get your Glock and start firing into the crowd of people eating BBQ in the general direction of your disser, well, that apparently relieves a lot of stress.

Experts say some reasons for the relatively low suicide rate among Latinos — who also tend to be poorer and face discrimination — are close social and family networks, which can build and maintain resilience, as well as moral objection to suicide based on religion. A study published in 2014 in the Journal of Clinical Psychiatry suggested that immigrant families can lose some of that protection when they assimilate and lose ties to Latino culture. …

In the last two decades, there has been a sharp rise in so-called deaths of despair — suicides, drug overdoses or alcohol abuse — among middle-aged white Americans without a college degree. In their research on the subject, the Princeton economists Anne Case and Angus Deaton pointed to, among other factors, loss of community and loss of status.

Over all, the C.D.C. report found higher suicide rates in rural America than in medium/small and large metropolitan counties. Most gun deaths in America are suicides, not murders, and white men are more likely to own a gun. The C.D.C. report said rates of suicide by gun in rural counties were “almost two times that of rates in larger metropolitan counties.”

Among Asian-Americans, one study suggests that collectivist cultures among immigrants that promote care for others could be a protective factor. Another points to close family relationships. But what holds for one group may not for another. Aparna Kalbag, a mental health research psychologist and advocate, works with South Asian-Americans. “Their relatively higher education also plays a role,” she said. “It influences how they perceive and react to mental health symptoms. They view them as something they can change, and they have the resources to do so.”

This is not the case with other, lower-income groups whose access to mental health care is more circumscribed.

And finally …

Suicide rates are highest among Native American and Alaska Native populations: 21.8 per 100,000 people.

So, the Ethnic Order goes: black (excuse me, Black), Hispanic, white, Asian, and, finally, Native American.

“Colonization is not only in the past,” said Desi Rodriguez-Lonebear, an assistant professor at U.C.L.A. and a citizen of the Northern Cheyenne Nation. “It’s an ongoing system, a series of structures that continue to disenfranchise, erase and traumatize Indigenous peoples.”

One of the most obvious and tangible effects of colonization on those populations is their forced segregation into reservations and the intergenerational trauma that ensued from severing ancestral relationships to their lands, cultures, languages and ways of life. “The psychological, social, and economic harms this causes cannot be overstated,” Professor Rodriguez-Lonebear said.

From my review of Case & Deaton’s recent book “Deaths of Despair” about how they discovered the huge increase in white working class deaths since 2000 that everybody else had ignored in all the excitement over purported White Privilege:

“The more I study the White Death of the past two decades, the more I am instead reminded of the tragic trajectory of a now much less publicized American race, Native Americans. Like American Indians, working-class white Americans seem to be living, and dying, like a defeated people, quietly offing themselves with so little to-do that nobody even noticed what was happening to working-class white lifespans for the first fifteen years of this century.”

 
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  1. dvorak says:

    If somebody disses you, rather than dwell on what’s wrong with you that that person said something so unkind about you,

    If someone writes a diss track about you called “Too Many People,” you write a diss track back.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
  2. white “men” are just weak Dad to say. They cannot cope with the loss of any privilege

    No wonder white girls like Nikki Haleys daughters prefer Black Men

    https://www.instagram.com/p/CHd_5gphmo1/

    • Replies: @Jacques Strappe
  3. Anonymous[270] • Disclaimer says:

    “Put down the thunderstick, Liz, help is available.”

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  4. Austin Frakt is director of the Partnered Evidence-Based Policy Resource Center

    The PERP Center?

    OK, so Occam’s Razor might suggest, therefore, that African-Americans aren’t suffering much from pervasive racism, indeed, that they aren’t suffering all that much in general.

    Or that they are more other-directed than whites– at least where accountability is concerned.

    Maybe blacks have low suicide rates because they externalize more than they internalize…

    Another way of putting it.

    So, the Ethnic Order goes: black (excuse me, Black), Hispanic, white, Asian, and, finally, Native American.

    That spells BHwANA. Perhaps whites are despondent aboutnot being capitalized? Look at how the lower case shattered the self-image of those forced to use it, e.g., Theodore Roosevelt and Winston Churchill. Despondency personified.

    …a now much less publicized American race, Native Americans.

    There once was a race known as “native Americans”. They were my people.

  5. Drake says:

    Racial pride improves people’s psychological health. Denying racial pride to whites hurts them.

    http://psychcentral.com/news/archives/2006-10/wfu-eig102006.html

    Ethnic pride can help teenagers maintain happiness when faced with stress, according to a new study by a Wake Forest University psychologist published in the October issue of Child Development.

    Racial identity tied to happiness, study finds

    https://msutoday.msu.edu/news/2011/racial-identity-tied-to-happiness-study-finds/

    Black people who identify more strongly with their racial identity are generally happier, according to a study led by psychology researchers at Michigan State University.

    The study, funded by the National Institute of Mental Health, appears in the current issue of Cultural Diversity and Ethnic Minority Psychology, a research journal published by the American Psychological Association.

    “This is the first empirical study we know of that shows a relationship between racial identity and happiness,” said Stevie C.Y. Yap, doctoral candidate in psychology at MSU and lead researcher on the project.

    Previous research has found a relationship between racial identity and favorable outcomes such as self-esteem, Yap said, but none has made the link with happiness.

    For the study, the researchers surveyed black adults in Michigan. The results suggest the more the participants identified with being black – or the more being black was an important part of who they are – the more happy they were with life as a whole, Yap said.

    The study also explored the reasons behind the connection. Yap said it may be fueled by a sense of belongingness – that is, blacks with a strong sense of racial identity may feel more connected to their racial group, which in turn makes them happy.

    • Thanks: Mike Tre
    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
  6. 3 factors

    1. Easy access to guns and opioids.
    2. Weak safety net and cutthroat economy,
    3. High level of social isolation.

    Similar factors influence our high rate of mass shootings.

    As for Blacks, they suffer from megalomania personality disorder. That’s why they like to kill other people rather than commit suicide.

    As for Hispanics and Asians, they have stronger family ties than Whites. So less isolated.

    Natives are similar to Whites.

    • Replies: @Polistra
  7. Drake says:

    “But suicide and some risk factors for it, like mental health conditions, are less prevalent in the Black population. This is puzzling.”

    This is one of the key parts of the race realist case.

    Blacks have lower IQ, but higher self-esteem, lower rates of mental illness and suicide. But if blacks’ low IQ was solely due to a damaging environment that was hurting them, you would expect some other negative effects such as mental illness, suicide, etc.

    So the environmentalist case has to offer a mechanism by which the environment can hurt IQ while helping black mental health in these other important ways. And there is no plausible mechanism for that.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
  8. @Drake

    Israel has about 1/4th the USA White suicide rate.

    Several questions.

    1. Does Israel encourage Jewish racial pride?

    2. How do Jewish-Americans feel about Jewish racial pride?

    3. How do Jewish-Americans feel about White racial pride?

    4. Given the outsized role that they’ve played in the “Black Lives Matter” movement, are Jewish-Americans planning on bringing BLM to Israel to counter anti-African violence?

  9. Polistra says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Victims of racism should take Ecstasy or magic mushrooms to reduce the trauma of their experience, study suggests

    Scientists from Ohio State University in the US found a single psychedelic trip from mushrooms, acid or MDMA could help victims overcome the racism they have been subjected to.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-9098739/Victims-racism-Ecstasy-magic-mushrooms-reduce-trauma-study-suggests.html

    I suddenly feel some racism coming on..

  10. “Colonization is not only in the past,” said Desi Rodriguez-Lonebear, an assistant professor at U.C.L.A. and a citizen of the Northern Cheyenne Nation. “It’s an ongoing system, a series of structures that continue to disenfranchise, erase and traumatize Indigenous peoples.”

    One of the most obvious and tangible effects of colonization on those populations is their forced segregation into reservations and the intergenerational trauma that ensued from severing ancestral relationships to their lands, cultures, languages and ways of life. “The psychological, social, and economic harms this causes cannot be overstated,” Professor Rodriguez-Lonebear said. ”

    Cherokee People, Cherokee Pride
    So Proud to Live, so Proud to Die

  11. @dvorak

    Currently, Sir Paul is sleeping just fine and dandy. His most recent album just hit number one on the charts, first number one album in thirty-one yrs for him. All things considered, since he’s still with us, he’s doing (and sleeping just fine).

    • Replies: @D. K.
  12. duncsbaby says:

    The article in summary: “Suicide rates are highest among white American so let’s talk about the terrible racism blacks undergo.”

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  13. D. K. says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Not even a #1 album can cure the jimmy leg!

  14. @Polistra

    Victims of racism should take Ecstasy or magic mushrooms to reduce the trauma of their experience, study suggests

    I suddenly feel some racism coming on.

    Sign me up too: I suddenly feel a deep and pervasive victimisation.

    F’rinstance: today when I gesticulated at another road user and called him a stupid cunt, he looked at me all weird – almost as if to say “You’re not pure white – I can tell“.

    InitCaps (Black, White, Spic, Dago, Jati, Beaner) aren’t good enough anymore. Majuscules (ALLCAPS) make one look a tad troppo. So we are left with other forms of emphasis.

    I am a Victim of Racism (not just because of the dickhead in the wanker-wagon… but because I iz a Person of Colour, innit).

    It stands to reason then, that my magic mushrooms and Ecstasy should be subsidised.

    I note that the people doing the study forgot to include weed tincture/gummies/brownies/fudge: that’s just sloppy research.

    In a spirit of tolerance and diversity, with the grace so often exhibited by my fellow People of Colour, I will deign to accept subsidised weed tincture/gummies/brownies/fudge despite it not being included in the study [sic]. (I still expect the mushies and eccies … that’s how victimised I am).

  15. @Polistra

    Funny, psychedelics were always a White drug. Blacks generally didn’t drop acid. In fact, we Whites wouldn’t buy acid from Blacks.

  16. Unemployment, which is higher for Black Americans than white Americans, is itself a source of stress.

    Take it from one who’s been there: If you can get by without working, it actually relieves a major source of stress.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    , @Old Prude
  17. Wilkey says:
    @Drake

    Blacks have lower IQ, but higher self-esteem, lower rates of mental illness and suicide.

    Lower rates of mental illness, or are they just less likely to express their mental illnesses suicidally? Or maybe less vulnerable to the particular types of mental illness which lead to suicide?

    It’s certainly possible, but I find it hard to believe that a demographic with so much other social dysfunction has better mental health than whites. Possible, I suppose, but unlikely. Perhaps depression and anxiety are more common among whites – they seem like neuroses that would be more “beneficial” (or at least survivable) in civilized societies with harsh winters than in sunny, freewheeling Africa.

    I think the “defeated race” aspect bears much of the blame. In this case much of the defeatist propaganda is coming from the mainstream media, which increasing numbers of whites seem to be abandoning – at least the news media, anyway.

    What are whites told by the media nowadays? Stop going to church (if you can even find one that hasn’t gone woke). Traditional jobs are for losers. Minorities can blame others for their problems, but whites can only blame themselves (for their own problems and those of others). Put politics above family. Success means moving away from your hometown (unless your hometown is a major coastal city). Etc. None of those attitudes are healthy attitudes to have. But only whites are told to internalize them in a way that others aren’t. Minorities are told that finding solidarity with their race is acceptable and even expected. Whites are told that it is evil.

    I think perhaps the key to all this is obviously to push back. To start pointing out to friends and family, especially white women, how there is as much hatred out there directed towards whites and men and churchgoers as towards anyone else. It’s not to deny that those other hatreds (sexism, racism against blacks, homophobia, etc) do exist, as to point out that there also a lot directed towards us, as well. And to point it out when it happens. We have to start fighting back, and in a way that doesn’t turn people off.

    • Agree: HammerJack
    • Replies: @Keypusher
  18. Wilkey says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    Take it from one who’s been there: If you can get by without working, it actually relieves a major source of stress.

    For some people. But for many work is a major source of social connection – especially among increasingly atomized, single/divorced, and non-churchgoing whites. It also provides structure that prevents a lot of bad habits, like drug use, drinking, etc.

    Structure can be very very very good for health and longevity. Go to bed at a certain time. Arise at a certain time. Eat at a certain time. It probably leads to greater overall physical activity, too.

    That could explain some of the difference in black/white mortality. White men are much more likely than blacks to commit suicide, but overall still live quite a bit longer.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  19. Wasn’t there a hubbub about rising black suicide rates in the 1980/90s?

  20. OK, so Occam’s Razor might suggest, therefore, that African-Americans aren’t suffering much from pervasive racism, indeed, that they aren’t suffering all that much in general.

    And the SJW razor says that YT is keeping black folk blocked out of this growing trend.

  21. eded says:

    Theodore Dalrymple/Anthony Daniels recently wrote a column where he observed that over his career as a psychiatrist he’d treated many Punjabi Sikh alcoholics. Apparently the rate of alcoholism is quite high for Punjabis not just Sikhs. Despite this problem Dalrymple claims that never saw destitute Sikh alcoholics living on the streets the way you see white British.

    One reason may be that Sikhs take care of their own, but the other suggested by Dalrymple was that lower class white British are:

    “the victims of the lumpen-hedonistic sex–drugs–and–rock ’n’ roll culture that, in Britain at least, devastated the white lower orders of society in the middle of the 20th century, and to whose baleful consequences those with few economic resources or educational attainments were most vulnerable, all the more so in times of economic dislocation, having been left with nothing to fall back on.”

    Maybe different groups have different social expectations as to handle hardship.

    The Dalrymple article is titled “In the Euston Road”.

    • Agree: Chrisnonymous
    • Replies: @ATBOTL
  22. iSteve states: “So, the Ethnic Order goes: black (excuse me, Black), Hispanic, white, Asian, and, finally, Native American.”

    I think that is mistaken. It appears that the Ethnic Order implied by the article is black, Hispanic, Asian, White, and (feather) Indian.

  23. There are two, at least, intertwined vectors: psycho-structural complexity & outward circumstances.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate

    List of countries by suicide rate

    With whites: we are the most complex human beings, the most introspective & therefore, in individualistic societies, more vulnerable to social decline, upheavals & stress.

    Blacks are the simplest & dumbest human creatures, so they naturally lack muh intruspekshyn – but are, to a large extent, governed by social forces. So, it results in high suicide rate in black Africa (misery, no hope); and low suicide rate in the Caribbean & the US, because their mental safety net is similar to children’s: daddy/whitey will come to rescue us.

    With Asians, their suicide culture has, historically, been mostly centered around honor & not depression, “meaning of life” or introspection in our, Western sense. In the US, they are not bound by the sense of honor & their material position is rather well, so they are not under so much social-psychological pressure as in their native lands. And they are, as a group, basically shallow. Not dumb, but shallow conformists.

    Native Americans kill themselves, I think, similar to black Africans in Africa. No hope.

  24. Old Prude says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    As Steve so pithily put it above: Maybe one reason blacks have more social stressors is because they are less stressed about them?

    Sailer is the Dr. Johnson of our time.

  25. My grandmother always use to say stupid people are happier. My mom use to say white men usually scurry away when they make a mistake rather than accept the consequences. Put the two together, and you have an explanation. I say killing yourself and leaving your mess for someone else to clean up is pure selfishness. I have lived around enough mental illness to know it is the ultimate “me, me, me” disease. No wonder they are depressed or whatever.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  26. (Suicide is less common among women than men in general.) …

    They’re kinda burying a key point there with that dismissive little parenthetical. Maybe the gender differences could provide some clues to the racial and cultural disparities. Of course there’s the confounding fact that women attempt suicide far more often than men but simply fail at it far more often for one reason or another.

    As I’ve mentioned, one of my favorite interviews was with a lady researcher who was collecting the brains of suicide victims — looking for physical damage or abnormalities that might predispose someone to suicide, rather than cultural or social factors

    • Replies: @anon
  27. If one marker of mental illness is the willingness to engage in extreme, deadly violence over insignificant disputes, then I’m sure the mental illness gap is quite wide in favor of whites. But if you don’t categorize that as mental illness and instead view it as a sensible reaction to systemic racism, then maybe not. As for me personally, I feel safer around the mildly OCD white man who avoids stepping on cracks in the sidewalk. Alec Baldwin is an exception.

  28. By the way, for those interested in suicide, I would recommend…..

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    The definite how-to book on suicide. I you intend to finish your terrestrial life or you’re a drama queen, read this:

    Next best, but a bit dated

    If you are a lover of Antiquity

    Not bad, but touchy-feely

    History buffs

    Pro & con

    For those interested in the phenomenon from a deeper level

    Aged surprisingly good

    A bit dry & dated, but still valuable

    Some valuable info on black suicide, but …

  29. martin_2 says:

    There are two types of mental illness. Psychosis and Neurosis. Psychosis is basically Schizophrenia, Neurosis is stuff like agoraphobia, eating disorders, OCD, excessive fear of spiders, etc. Street crazies are schizophrenic, people that worry a lot about germs are neurotic.

    It seems to me that non-whites – and I include Orientals here as well – have higher levels of psychosis than do whites, blacks especially so. Whites OTOH have higher levels of neurosis.

    The key difference is that neurotic people KNOW there is something wrong with them, and they can usually function quite well, psychotics not so much.

  30. Goorin says:

    I don’t think you are right about this steve. If you look at the CDC data, the percentage of people who have suicidal thoughts, a suicidal plan, or even have attempted suicide both massively outnumber the amount of people who have committed suicide, and are far more evenly distributed across race.
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/ppt/nchs2012/ss-32_crosby.pdf

    1.0% of all adults say the made a suicide plan, including 1% of whites and blacks and 0.9% of hispanics. For those who say they have attempted suicide it is 0.5 of the population with 0.7% of blacks, 0.5% of hispanics and 0.4% of whites.

    The reason whites commit suicide at higher rates is that whites are far more likely to live in households with firearms. https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2017/06/22/the-demographics-of-gun-ownership/ 49% of whites are in a household with guns, compared to 32% of blacks and 21% of hispanics. The large majority of suicide attempts with firearms result in deaths, while the large majority of suicide attempts by something other than firearms (cutting, pills) do not.

    White people aren’t attempting to commit suicide at higher rates than black people or hispanic people, its just when they do they are more likely to actually die.

  31. J.Ross says:
    @Polistra

    … it’s pretty solid that this treats depression by forcing re-examination of deeply buried issues. We are familiar with virtue-victims being after a buck, but isn’t it also highly likely that they are consistently plagued by self worth issues, anxious about lack of real accomplishments, and conventionally depressed? Most of the blacks who reject the victimhood shuck and jive are successful and accomplished.

  32. Mr. Anon says:
    @duncsbaby

    The article in summary: “Suicide rates are highest among white American so let’s talk about the terrible racism blacks undergo.”

    Or in customary New York Times formulation:

    White men have highest suicide rate; women and minorities hit hardest.

  33. Mr. Anon says:
    @Wilkey

    For some people. But for many work is a major source of social connection – especially among increasingly atomized, single/divorced, and non-churchgoing whites. It also provides structure that prevents a lot of bad habits, like drug use, drinking, etc.

    And now we have government mandated lockdowns, “social distancing”, and mask-wearing. It’s almost as if those in power want people to be isolated, atomized nervous wrecks living in despair and fearful of their fellow citizens (and even family members). It certainly makes them good consumers – good consumers of food, booze, weed, entertainment, and social control policies.

  34. Any theories as to why the Asian suicide rate is lower in America than it is in their home countries? The best I can come up with is the diversity of Asian groups in the US lowers the high rate among East Asians.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Bardon Kaldian
  35. Truth says:

    OK, so Occam’s Razor might suggest, therefore, that African-Americans aren’t suffering much from pervasive racism, indeed, that they aren’t suffering all that much in general.

    Yes.

    Or maybe African-Americans just value their lives more?

    • Replies: @anon
  36. Keypusher says:
    @Wilkey

    I don’t disagree that pushback is desperately needed, but: how long has the white suicide rate been higher than the black rate? If it’s been higher forever, something else is going on.

  37. Anon[145] • Disclaimer says:

    You got your order wrong:
    “In data released in 2017, the rate for white Americans was around 19 per 100,000, and it was about 7.1 for both Hispanics and Asian-Americans/Pacific Islanders, and 6.6 for Black Americans, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.”

    Only Natives are higher than whites. Asians and Hispanics were the same rate.

  38. What strikes me about this NYT article is that it is about suicide among white people, which most of us would consider a bad thing. Normally an article about a bad thing would be expected to show concern for the people it is happening to. Instead, the article shifts and starts discussing anti-black “racism”. In short, the writers haven’t the slightest curiosity or concern about white suicide. They have a handy explanation for everything, which is anti-black “racism,” and they admit they’re a bit puzzled at how it could explain white suicide. Otherwise, they simply don’t care.

  39. anon[763] • Disclaimer says:
    @Known Fact

    Of course there’s the confounding fact that women attempt suicide far more often than men but simply fail at it far more often for one reason or another.

    They fail far more often because they aren’t serious about it, as a general rule a female suicide attempt is a dramatic gesture intended to garner attention, sympathy, etc. while men just decide to end whatever pain is grinding on them. It’s almost as though women are not merely men with boobs.

  40. Muggles says:

    Some thoughts about the low alleged rate of suicide among blacks:

    a. Blacks tend to be more religious. Suicide is against all religious teachings.

    b. Black men are more likely to be in jail or prison. Suicide is fairly rare inside, despite what you might expect.

    c. Black men often live in female headed households. Don’t work or not steadily. Why kill yourself when you can, a la St. George Floyd, sit around and take drugs, drink, hang around, chase pussy, listen to rap, go clubbing, etc.?

    d. Higher rates (for men) of drug overdose death or homocide victimhood aren’t considered suicide.

    e. Age related suicide is less because blacks don’t live as long as others. Bad health habits, diabetes, drugs, drink, obesity, etc.

    f. Black women take care of many generations of children, grandchildren, relatives, etc. in their households. Despite stress, this gives their lives purpose. So no despair or sense of loneliness. Few black “cat ladies.”

    g. Perhaps due to culture (don’t worry, be happy) or blaming others for problems (i.e. non blacks) the internal sense of hopelessness and depression is less among blacks. Solidarity with other blacks as in the ‘same boat’ and sharing emotions is psychologically healthy.

    h. Angry black males commit homicide when unhappy or frustrated, not suicide.

    i. As some here suggest, blacks (in the States) are less atomized than whites. Exaggerate their talents and accomplishments rather than self blame.

    j. When you live in neighborhoods or communities full of senseless death (accidents, killings, disease, overdose) you tend to see your own survival as more significant. In contexts with high mortality — battlefields, disasters, invasions, daily terrorism — suicide rates drop. In stable societies like modern Japan, is where suicide rates are high.

    These are generalizations of course. I don’t claim to be a scientist. But I pretend to be one here.

  41. Black males don’t need to commit suicide, they can always get a brother to off them.

  42. anon[182] • Disclaimer says:
    @Truth

    Or maybe African-Americans just value their lives more?

    Could be. However, they sure don’t seem to value other people’s lives very much.

    • Replies: @Truth
  43. J.Ross says:
    @Magic Dirt Resident

    And maybe Asians in America are self-selected survivors (ie, Vietnamese refugees), whereas Asians in Asia represent the total possible spectrum.

  44. @Minuscule swim bird

    3 Questions:

    Is this English?

    What part of the 3rd world are you from, Miniscule?

    Do you think Nikki Haley is white?

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  45. @Magic Dirt Resident

    Asians in the US have lost their honor codes; also, there is significantly less social pressure on them to “succeed”.

  46. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Old and Grumpy

    I have lived around enough mental illness to know it is the ultimate “me, me, me” disease. No wonder they are depressed or whatever.

    I think that’s basically true.

  47. JohnnyD says:

    Back in 2019, I remember Andrew Yang expressing concern that so many white men were committing suicide and/or dying of drug overdoses. Shortly after, the media and the Left attacked him for caring about the well-being of white men, which apparently makes you a terrible person. Sadly, Yang became just another boring Woke Democrat.

  48. @Jacques Strappe

    Well, actually, South Asians are considered “Caucasian” by anthropologists – the same broad racial grouping that includes us Plain Ol’ White Folks. They lobbied to be counted as “Asian” a while back so they could cash in on the Racial Spoils System – Affirmative Action, “minority set-asides,” ad nauseum. IOW, the exact same Race Hustle that “Hispanics” pulled off.

  49. ATBOTL says:
    @eded

    Theodore Dalrymple/Anthony Daniels has a Jewish father and a French mother. He has a deep seated racial hatred of English people that comes through in all of his worthless writings. He has repeatedly stated that he prefers immigrants to English people and favors race replacement levels of immigration. His stories are largely made up, he was repeatedly exposed as having taken stories from prominent news headlines, that he had nothing to do with, then making up fake people he claims to have “treated” with the same story, in some cases changing the race of the bad actors from non-white to white.

    He’s a vile piece of shit.

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