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Bari Weiss has an article in City Journal about how rich parents at super elite private schools like Harvard-Westlake in the Hollywood Hills are surreptitiously aghast at how Woke their children’s expensive educations have become:

The Miseducation of America’s Elites

Affluent parents, terrified of running afoul of the new orthodoxy in their children’s private schools, organize in secret.
Bari Weiss
March 9, 2021

… By normal American standards, they are quite wealthy. By the standards of Harvard-Westlake, they are average. These are two-career couples who credit their own success not to family connections or inherited wealth but to their own education. So it strikes them as something more than ironic that a school that costs more than $40,000 a year—a school with Charlie Munger, Warren Buffett’s right hand, and Sarah Murdoch, wife of Lachlan and Rupert’s daughter-in-law, on its board—is teaching students that capitalism is evil.

For most parents, the demonization of capitalism is the least of it. They say that their children tell them they’re afraid to speak up in class. Most of all, they worry that the school’s new plan to become an “anti-racist institution”—unveiled this July, in a 20-page document—is making their kids fixate on race and attach importance to it in ways that strike them as grotesque. …

“They are making my son feel like a racist because of the pigmentation of his skin,” one mother says. …

This Harvard-Westlake parents’ group is one of many organizing quietly around the country to fight what it describes as an ideological movement that has taken over their schools. This story is based on interviews with more than two dozen of these dissenters—teachers, parents, and children—at elite prep schools in two of the bluest states in the country: New York and California.

The parents in the backyard say that for every one of them, there are many more, too afraid to speak up. “I’ve talked to at least five couples who say: I get it. I think the way you do. I just don’t want the controversy right now,” related one mother. They are all eager for their story to be told—but not a single one would let me use their name. They worry about losing their jobs or hurting their children if their opposition to this ideology were known.

“The school can ask you to leave for any reason,” said one mother at Brentwood, another Los Angeles prep school. “Then you’ll be blacklisted from all the private schools and you’ll be known as a racist, which is worse than being called a murderer.” …

Parents who have spoken out against this ideology, even in private ways, say it hasn’t gone over well. “I had a conversation with a friend, and I asked him: ‘Is there anything about this movement we should question?’” said a father with children in two prep schools in Manhattan. “And he said: ‘Dude, that’s dangerous ground you’re on in our friendship.’ I’ve had enough of those conversations to know what happens.”

That fear is shared, deeply, by the children. For them, it’s not just the fear of getting a bad grade or getting turned down for a college recommendation, though that fear is potent. It’s the fear of social shaming. “If you publish my name, it would ruin my life. People would attack me for even questioning this ideology. I don’t even want people knowing I’m a capitalist,” a student at the Fieldston School in New York City told me, in a comment echoed by other students I spoke with. (Fieldston declined to comment for this article.) “The kids are scared of other kids,” says one Harvard-Westlake mother.

The atmosphere is making their children anxious, paranoid, and insecure—and closed off from even their close friends. “My son knew I was talking to you and he begged me not to,” another Harvard-Westlake mother told me. “He wants to go to a great university, and he told me that one bad statement from me will ruin us. This is the United States of America. Are you freaking kidding me?”

Matthew Yglesias wonders why the free market isn’t solving this problem:

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1369450469123309569

If you are a Harvard-Westlake parent and you don’t like it getting highjacked by the Woke, just start your own unWoke Harvard-Westlake.

After all, how much could it cost to reproduce Harvard-Westlake’s 12 acre middle school campus in Holmby Hills between Beverly Hills and Bel-Air?

 

Holmby Hills is a rather pricey neighborhood: note the ~50,000 s.f. mansion under construction across the street.

Or its 22 acre high school campus in Coldwater Canyon? Or its $65 million endowment? Or its long relationship with 97-year-old billionaire Charlie Munger?

So if the Woke hijack Harvard-Westlake for their own purposes, disgruntled parents can always raise $500 mil and start their own unWoke school.

In the case of Harvard-Westlake parents, this might even be true.

How much is the Woke highjacking of private schools with large endowments and paid-for campuses the free market at work vs. how much is it insiders taking over multi-million dollar facilities for their own self-interested ends?

Back in the 2000s, when charter schools were all the rage, I used to point out that simply handing an expensive public school facility over to new management was rife for the potential for abuse. For example, the biggest public high school in Los Angeles, 80-acre Birmingham in the mid-San Fernando Valley, converted over to charter school in a dispute with the school district over who would get the money from all the movie, TV, music video, and advertising productions shot on its campus. (Birmingham employs two full time coordinators to work with studios.)

But a dozen years ago, the people doing charter takeovers of American public schools, like Imam Gulen of Turkey, were seen as the Good Guys, so you weren’t supposed to question them.

Similarly, taking over lavish private schools in the name of Diversity-Inclusion-Equity to drive out your rivals and hire your friends is something that Captain Hook could appreciate.

Why do the Woke get away with their piracy so often?

First, they are assumed to be the Good Guys and skeptics are the Bad Guys.

Second, Wokeness appeals to people who are meaner, stupider, uglier, and less fair-minded than their peers, but we have a culture in which nobody is allowed to point that out and remain in polite society. So the Woke are using their vices to take over rich institutions.

 
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  1. Bari Weiss spent most of her college years trying to cancel Palestinian activists on campus. I would be very suspicious of anything written by her; Weiss has a reputation for distortion, exaggeration, or straight out falsehoods.

    • Disagree: Chrisnonymous
    • Replies: @Icy Blast
    @Nodwink

    She's a mediocrity who gained public attention by slandering Tulsi Gabbard. Best to just ignore her/it.

    Replies: @Redman

    , @PhysicistDave
    @Nodwink

    Nodwink wrote:


    Bari Weiss spent most of her college years trying to cancel Palestinian activists on campus. I would be very suspicious of anything written by her; Weiss has a reputation for distortion, exaggeration, or straight out falsehoods.
     
    Perhaps, but for many of us in California it rings true. We had one neighbor with whom we could freely discuss our opinions: alas, she passed away right before Christmas (in her mid-nineties). My kid at UCLA can talk freely with a handful of the other engineering majors. Otherwise, she has to be careful.

    It's reaching the point that you send little signals that maybe you are not really PC to sound people out, and then if they respond, you can talk.

    Let me make clear: I'm not talking about alt-Right, white supremacists, etc. If you hold the views of JFK or even George McGovern... well, you better be careful.

    Replies: @RichardTaylor, @AndrewR, @Anonymous Jew, @R.G. Camara

    , @Danindc
    @Nodwink

    Of course she did. Her people are very tribal. She nailed this one though.

    Steve’s last point here is one of his best. So concise and so true.

    , @anonymous
    @Nodwink

    Congratulations you've parroted the spam tweets that leftists flood Bari Weiss with every time she points out some loony woke thing.

    Even if there is some truth to your accusation that Weiss spent "most of" college doing something, who cares? It was 20 years ago - maybe her views have evolved.

    , @Jack D
    @Nodwink

    Even assuming your characterization of what she did in college is accurate (it isn't), Bari Weiss is 36 years old so you are referring to things that she did 15 or more years ago.

    What Weiss really did was protest against the anti-Israel propaganda Arab professors at Columbia were feeding to their students. For example, when a Jewish student asked an Arab professor teaching an Arabic language class he was taking how to use the verb, 'prevent,' the professor wrote on the board, `Israel prevents ambulances from going into refugee camps.'

    In general, she fought against the fashionable anti-Semitism of the Left (which is sold under the guise of "anti-Zionism" but in fact is just thinly disguised anti-Semitism). And don't give me any BS about how Arabs are Semites too - "anti-Semitism" is just a 19th century German euphemism for Jew-hate and has nothing to do with any Semitic people other than the Jews. Don't make the mistake of thinking that just because these people hate Jews and you hate Jews too that these people are somehow your friends, because they aren't. They don't have anything good in mind for you either.

    Replies: @Sean, @AndrewR, @SFG, @Mr. Anon, @International Jew, @JohnnyWalker123, @Anonymous, @tommytomtom, @ATBOTL

    , @Paperback Writer
    @Nodwink

    What does that have to do with the factual nature of this article?

    , @Paperback Writer
    @Nodwink

    Weiss criticized one Joseph Massad, which inspired the now-disgraced Anthony Weiner to call upon Columbia to fire him. He's got tenure, so that wouldn't happen. It was a politician making political hay out of a hot topic, and since when has that happened? Since forever.

    And even if Weiss were as much of a creep as you make her out to be, it wouldn't affect whether she is telling the truth about wokeness now. She isn't telling the half of it.

    Replies: @guest007

    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Nodwink

    Weiss isn't worried about Whites. She's worried that the Woke movement might spill over toward the Jews.

    , @AndrewR
    @Nodwink

    Broken clock, etc

    , @bomag
    @Nodwink

    I would be very suspicious of anything written by her...

    Maybe the Wokeness is even worse than she reports?

    , @Jilla
    @Nodwink

    yeah, but this is the game the woke are playing. prime example is all that bs from megan markle. the amount of hate the royal family is getting on social media from american blacks (who my guess previously couldn't have cared less about) is incredible.

    we need people on our side who can play the game. I'm no fan of bari Weiss but the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

    Replies: @Ed

    , @R.G. Camara
    @Nodwink

    Don't forget, Joe Rogan completely exposed Bari Weiss as a sub-100 IQ bot on his show, merely by asking her basic questions as to how she formed her political opinions on various subjects, e.g. Tulsi Gabbard.

    Weiss admitted she only formed her opinions based on rumor and how others viewed a subject, didn't do any independent research, and actually didn't even know the very meaning of the words she was repeating about Gabbard, e.g. she called Gabbard an Assad "toadie" then mentioned she didn't know what the word meant.

    To embarrass her, Rogan merely pulled up the definition of the word and Weiss admitted she was wrong about it. Then quizzed her on what made Gabbard so bad and Weiss couldn't actually form a coherent argument; she was merely a CIA asset repeating their verbage.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpurFfcSNfU

    Here's far-left Jimmy Dore roasting this uniformed worm's meltdown on Rogan.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS-sxJFn6O0

    And City Journal hired this hack? Pathetic. I guess they want the CIA's opinion mainlined in their magazine.

    Replies: @anon

    , @Colin Wright
    @Nodwink

    'Bari Weiss spent most of her college years trying to cancel Palestinian activists on campus. I would be very suspicious of anything written by her; Weiss has a reputation for distortion, exaggeration, or straight out falsehoods.'

    Nazis can denounce Stalinists. It doesn't imply that either party is good.

  2. An additional advantage is that the woke can openly and even publicly coordinate to achieve their ends. If you want to hire a diversity coordinator (maybe your buddy) at a private school to start a new initiative, you can talk about it with peers, students, and potential funders. Coordinating against that sort of thing is potential career suicide, and as the article mentions has to be done discreetly and quietly.

    Does employment as a private school teacher use at-will contracts? I imagine a strong board objection to this stuff and a new hire at the top could actually succeed in tamping it down. But again, as the article mentions, there’s a considerable amount of real support for it among students, staff, and parents that seems to go beyond self-interest that shouldn’t be overlooked.

  3. For most parents, the demonization of capitalism is the least of it. They say that their children tell them they’re afraid to speak up in class. Most of all, they worry that the school’s new plan to become an “anti-racist institution”—unveiled this July, in a 20-page document—is making their kids fixate on race and attach importance to it in ways that strike them as grotesque.

    So, Miss Weiss, you’re saying that most parents remain fairly sane in the face of this ‘grotesquerie’..

    And Matt Yglesias, helpful as ever, says “Hey FWP! This is our country now! Why not find yourself another one?”

    Reminds me of something I read here just yesterday.

    https://www.unz.com/estriker/comedian-raided-by-fbi-joint-terrorism-task-force-after-jewish-organization-takes-offense-to-his-jokes/#comment-4514007

    • Agree: El Dato
  4. anonymous[120] • Disclaimer says:

    Tucker tonight ripped off your essay on noblesse oblige for his monologue. He took out any direct references to Jews. The segment even had Mark Steyn who is an honorable man and often credits you for ideas when he guest hosted Rush Limbaugh. https://www.unz.com/isteve/noblesse-oblige-in-21st-century/

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @anonymous

    Of course, the funniest thing on Tucker tonight was simply the clip of Joe Biden announcing that we're developing "maternity flight suits" for military pilots who are pregnant!

    My wife, who of course gave birth to our twins, found it hilarious that they think that women who are far enough in their pregnancy to need maternity flight suits should be flying military aircraft.

    Of course, putting hilarity aside, this is dangerous for both the woman and the baby.

    (A bit of googling shows that this goes back to the middle of last year, so I suppose we should ask why Trump did not stop this.)

    Replies: @Elmer T. Jones, @AndrewR

    , @Steve from Detroit
    @anonymous

    From 3:38 to 3:48, Tucker paraphrases on of Joe Sobran's observations from many years ago:

    "A hypocritical etiquette forces us to pretend that the Jews are powerless victims; and if you don't respect their victimhood, they'll destroy you."

    , @AndrewR
    @anonymous

    Tucker also ripped off Steve's "look how cool I am for pretending to not know or care about Meghan's title" LARP

    This is the most famous family in world history and the rulers (at least nominally) of a country that ran the most powerful empire in world history within living memory. I don't understand or respect any insouciance, real or feigned, about them.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    , @AnotherDad
    @anonymous

    One of the--many--things our Great Minoritarian Culture Revolution, is demonstrating is that maybe paying a whole lot of attention to what women say isn't actually a huge winner for a nation/civilization that wants to stay sane and survive.

    This is deeply rooted in our evolutionary history. The men of the tribe's are out talking about Ooga-booga pushing into their hunting ground and the need to ambush and kill them to stop it. The women out gathering berries ... "Jason spent his time in camp yesterday talking to Becky and not me."

    It's not like men get it right--see "The Great War" and the rest of the 20th century. But at least their concerns are about stuff that matters--are we going to control this land and have a future or be replaced by the other guys.

    Women's feelings--and the many micro-aggressions in their lives--are just fine for women to talk to each other over lunch. But why in the hell any of it should be in the public discourse is beyond me. It isn't working out well.

  5. Matthew Yglesias wonders why the free market isn’t solving this problem

    I rather think he wonders whether people shouldn’t just go to public schools, which they pay for anyway?

    Anway, people who put a photo of their masked mug into that roundel on Blue Social Meedja are sub-par. Use a nice pic of USB-connected NPC man or something.

    OT:

    In (((Our Democracy))) you must not insult troops of Kamerad Röhm:

    Mumford & Sons banjo player apologizes for endorsing Andy Ngo book, critical of Antifa, ‘takes time’ off the band amid backlash

    Hounded by a mob of enraged netizens [who? fellow UK artists Sleaford Mods for one], [UK band] Mumford & Sons banjo player Winston Marshall has retracted an endorsement of conservative journalist Andy Ngo’s book on Antifa, drawing accusations of caving in to “bullies.”

    “Over the past few days I have come to better understand the pain caused by the book I endorsed,” the British musician wrote in a tweet on Tuesday night. “I have offended not only a lot of people I don’t know, but also those closest to me, including my bandmates and for that I am truly sorry. As a result of my actions I am taking time away from the band to examine my blindspots… Please know that I realize how my endorsements have the potential to be viewed as approvals of hateful, divisive behavior.”

    And you should be, Herr Marshall. Know who the good guys are.

    • Replies: @Roderick Spode
    @El Dato

    I guess this son should've stayed mum for't

    , @Peter Akuleyev
    @El Dato

    I rather think he wonders whether people shouldn’t just go to public schools, which they pay for anyway?

    I agree that was Yglesias' point. The irony of course being that any parent who is truly "Woke" would send his kid to public school where they can experience all the benefits of diversity. No doubt liberal guilt is what compels so many wealthy parents to kow-tow to this nonsense.

    , @Tex
    @El Dato


    In (((Our Democracy))) you must not insult troops of Kamerad Röhm:
     
    Technically, that's Kamerad Thalmann, a contemporary of the other Ernst. One of his goons, Erich Mielke, parlayed the ambush murder of two Berlin police officers into a job as a founder and director of the Stasi.
    , @AndrewR
    @El Dato

    What is so bad about that book? The replies to his cowardly apology are savage. This little cuck just destroyed his own career by caving to the mob and showing his true character.

  6. anon[130] • Disclaimer says:

    Bari Weiss has an article in City Journal about how rich parents at super elite private schools like Harvard-Westlake in the Hollywood Hills are surreptitiously aghast at how Woke their children’s expensive educations have become:

    To call this “woke” is to give a linguistic victory to the enemy. It is carrying your enemy’s water for him.

    It isn’t “woke”; it is anti-White.

    It is genocidal, in effect, if not in intent.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @anon

    Maoist not woke, even worse is when commentators on the right refer to it as 'fascism'.

    In England there are so many private schools upsetting the parents is very much not done, that said there was some recent upset at Eton with a Maoist headmaster sacking a history teacher for a talk he gave, so maybe things have changed from my day.

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/11/28/delingpole-eton-sacks-teacher-who-dared-question-toxic-masculinity/

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/12/03/delingpole-eton-embraces-black-lives-matter-gay-pride-and-third-wave-feminism/

  7. “They are making my son feel like a racist because of the pigmentation of his skin,” one mother says. …

    … They worry about losing their jobs or hurting their children if their opposition to this ideology were known.

    … “Then you’ll be blacklisted from all the private schools and you’ll be known as a racist, which is worse than being called a murderer.” …

    “And he said: ‘Dude, that’s dangerous ground you’re on in our friendship.’ ”

    That fear is shared, deeply, by the children. …“If you publish my name, it would ruin my life. People would attack me for even questioning this ideology.” …“The kids are scared of other kids,” says one Harvard-Westlake mother.

    The atmosphere is making their children anxious, paranoid, and insecure—and closed off from even their close friends. “My son knew I was talking to you and he begged me not to,” another Harvard-Westlake mother told me. “… he told me that one bad statement from me will ruin us. This is the United States of America. Are you freaking kidding me?”

    Hey liberals! This is where your liberalism was always headed! Whether you supported the New Deal in the 1930s, “Civil Rights” in the 1960s, or political correctness in the 1990s, this is where it was always going. Welcome to the world you helped to build while you piously denounced those who correctly foresaw the fruits of your folly.

    Also, this is not yet the endpoint. Any chance you’ll own your errors before the wheel of wokeness remorselessly crushes you as it crushed so many innocents before you to your zealous cheering?

    Now taking bets…

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    @Almost Missouri

    Stops being funny when it starts being you.

    , @stillCARealist
    @Almost Missouri

    Thanks. It's hard not to feel a little smug and condescending towards these elite-aspiring libs who have already embraced so much left wing fiction at the expense of other Americans.

    , @Forbes
    @Almost Missouri


    Any chance you’ll own your errors...
     
    Nope. Not a chance. It's never happened. Never will.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Almost Missouri

    Almost Missouri, no button that says Great Post, so I will type it out.

  8. Sailer asked:

    Why do the Woke get away with their piracy so often?

    I think the reason is simple: they are willing to band together to ostracize, boycott, or cancel anyone who does not get with the program, whereas most ordinary, decent Americans are repelled by this sort of lynch mob behavior.

    Why isn’t Tucker or Hannity or Trump organizing a boycott of Bed, Bath, and Beyond for kicking out Mike Lindell’s products?

    Because that just doesn’t “feel right” to most of us. We want to live in a country in which people are not penalized financially or career-wise for their political or religious opinions. I don’t ask my barber or my plumber what his political views are and then reject him if they are different from mine.

    We think this is a great achievement that America works this way.

    Except it no longer does.

    We might not have the luxury of thinking this way any longer.

    Personally, I hate it: I do not want to carefully vet either the businesses I patronize or my friends or neighbors based on their political opinions.

    But we may have no choice.

    • Agree: Joseph Doaks
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @PhysicistDave

    I don't necessarily disagree with your broader point, but Mike Lindell is a terrible example. The man isn't your local barber who happens to have conservative opinions; he's a conservative pundit who happens to sell (not very good) pillows as part of his hustle. It is perfectly reasonable for BB&B to not want him associated with their brand.

    Replies: @fnn, @bomag, @Jack D, @Cloudbuster, @PhysicistDave

    , @Squid
    @PhysicistDave

    "why isn't Tucker...?"

    Because he doesn't own Fox News and BB&B is a potential advertiser?

    , @SimplePseudonymicHandle
    @PhysicistDave

    Because the right creates media - The Federalist, Unz, The Daily Show - and talks about it.

    Anything, anything at all, but organize.

    The Woke put their money where their mouth is. They do that One,Thing , right, and it turns out to be most of what you have to do.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @PhysicistDave

    I agree very much with your point, Dave, that we shouldn't have to live our lives using politics in everything we do. When it comes to Big Biz (amazon and the like), it's almost impossible to keep it all going. You patronize Chick Filet for a while, then you don't...

    However, this is why we real conservatives need to keep things local as much as we can and build communities of like-minded people. The plumber, the barber, etc. are not likely to be the woke ones. Your internet provider (can't get out of that one these days!), Amazon, who you may want to find and alternative to for many items, the local government schools, etc., are the woke ones that shouldn't be supported. That latter one, the schools, is what this post is about, along with the discussion, i.e. by Yglesias, on "make your own school", something I want to comment on further ...

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    , @Desiderius
    @PhysicistDave

    You have to recognize that they're not banning Lindell on the basis of political or religious beliefs.

    This is the stumbling block that Sailer is trying to dislodge.

    , @nebulafox
    @PhysicistDave

    >I think the reason is simple: they are willing to band together to ostracize, boycott, or cancel anyone who does not get with the program, whereas most ordinary, decent Americans are repelled by this sort of lynch mob behavior.

    Yes, but it'd be pointless if they also hadn't "captured the institutions" and didn't have broad intellectual sympathy among many in power in the first place. As is often the case with humans, the practical and ideal blur together somewhat, and people morph to fit the milieu around them. 30 years ago, the most liberal Democrats would have been considered to the right of Hawley and DeSantis on many issues, after all..

    One thing that I've noticed in life is that corporate culture will mold itself to the dominant ethos of the higher classes of whatever country it is in. In China, people are expected to join the Communist Party to get ahead. In the Islamic World, you donate some of your salary to connected zakat charities. And in the US, that's... woke. To the point where we're actively exporting it. There's no contradiction between that and the Cold War centrism of half a century ago.

    The Russians have a very nice, earthy saying about this dynamic we have with our elites: "A fish rots from the head." People reflect the behavior that they see.

    , @JimB
    @PhysicistDave


    Why do the Woke get away with their piracy so often?

    I think the reason is simple: they are willing to band together to ostracize, boycott, or cancel anyone who does not get with the program, whereas most ordinary, decent Americans are repelled by this sort of lynch mob behavior.
     

    Wokeness is an internet phenomenon made possible only by the big social media monopolies and the indelibility of digital information. It facilitates a particular kind of libel against whites -- i.e., racism, broadly defined by thoughts, words, deeds, or just perhaps having a job some minority wants. Since racism libel is friction-free and infinitely diffusible, every white person is terrified of being denounced in front of all humanity, for all times. There is no way to refute this kind of libel once it spreads,

    Replies: @Joseph Doaks

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @PhysicistDave

    Not necessarily. During the Bush-era, conservatives slandered anyone who was anti-war as "unpatriotic" and "soft on terrorism." Many anti-war media personalities and politicians had their careers ruined. That had a chilling effect on public discourse and even today continues to make Americans hesitant to speak up about war crimes overseas.

    2 decades later, and millions of people are dead overseas. Trillions of dollars have been wasted. Mostly because nobody has the guts to criticize the US military and risk being called "unpatriotic" and "soft on terrorism."

    Replies: @Art Deco, @PhysicistDave

    , @vinteuil
    @PhysicistDave


    they are willing to band together to ostracize, boycott, or cancel anyone who does not get with the program, whereas most ordinary, decent Americans are repelled by this sort of lynch mob behavior.
     
    And, all the while, they play the victim.

    The Reds cry out in pain as they strike you.
    , @Kylie
    @PhysicistDave

    "We want to live in a country in which people are not penalized financially or career-wise for their political or religious opinions."

    Yes, but that is no longer the country I live in.

    "I don’t ask my barber or my plumber what his political views are and then reject him if they are different from mine."

    I do. Well, not my barber or plumber but my dentist and my Mr. Fixit.

    "We think this is a great achievement that America works this way.

    Except it no longer does."

    You said it.

    "We might not have the luxury of thinking this way any longer."

    Right idea, wrong tense.

    "Personally, I hate it: I do not want to carefully vet either the businesses I patronize or my friends or neighbors based on their political opinions."

    Agreed.

    "But we may have no choice."

    Again, right idea, wrong tense. Back in 2010, when I could no longer tolerate the left pushing its hateful agenda via pop culture, I dropped cable and network TV and did a purge of my books, CDs and DVDs. I just went on from there.

    It's not spite that motivates me. I just don't want to contribute to the well-being and livelihood of anyone left of center. To do so is to give aid and comfort to the enemy. And make no mistake, they are our enemies. They do not wish us well and they'd gleefully exterminate us if they didn't need us. They are like hate-filled adolescents rebelling against their parents, then demanding their own credit cards.

    We are in a war, it's just that not enough on our side are fighting. I'm old and feeble, I can't fight them. But I'll be damned if I'll help them.

  9. Anon[421] • Disclaimer says:

    Liberalism is like a teenager, and conservatism like Daddy. Daddy keeps the teenager under control, though the teenager is constantly pushing Dad’s boundaries to see what can be got away with.

    But in today’s world, liberals have isolated themselves so completely from conservatism, that there is nothing to stop liberalism from running amok. In many cases, liberals literally did not grow up with a father in their divorced families, so they were never told ‘no’ by an authority figure, or ‘knock it off, you’re full of crap.’ They lacked an authority figure to give them real-world advice.

    Conservatives don’t run the companies that many liberals work for. Conservatives don’t live in the same neighborhoods that liberals do. Liberals don’t dare inhabit the same internet space as conservatives. When liberals encounter conservative websites, they literally freak out and try to shut them down by force. Every conservative website I’ve ever visited has been attacked multiple times by liberal hackers who go bananas at being contradicted. Liberals never watch any media that isn’t liberal.

    In the modern world, liberals have isolated themselves so completely that they never encounter anyone who will smack them upside the head.

    Therefore, liberalism keeps on rolling, rolling, rolling ever farther along on its own momentum without ever hitting a wall to stop its rush to extremism. Every crazy idea is simply accepted. The motor that pushes liberalism along is powered by fanatics and race hustlers. The first group is too crazy to stop and the second can’t make a living without making liberals insane enough to just hand them money.

    A wise author in 1865 said that the moment slavery ended, the usual crowd of liberal fanatics, who had been baying away about the horrors of slavery for years, refused to retire. They just looked for another cause and began to carry on about that. This is because fanaticism is a temperament, and it doesn’t rest if the cause it’s fanatical about no longer exists. It just picks another topic to fuss about. This is why modern liberalism keeps moving further and further away from sanity. Fanatics have to encounter opposition to feel good. If they don’t hit a wall, they keep going farther and farther until they hit it. Secretly, they want to hit that wall. They want opposition, the way any teenager wants to have a father in their life. Liberals feel unmoored without an authority figure to put a check on them. Liberals are all stuck at the emotional level of teenagers who can’t grow up and master themselves on their own, and they can’t put a check on their own crazy impulses.

    I’ve said it before–the next Civil War is going to be between liberals themselves. Those along for the ride on the crazy train are starting to get the urge to jump off, and the fanatics and race hustlers will try to destroy them if they do, the way cult leaders try to destroy followers who turn into heretics. Cult leaders HAVE to destroy heretics because heresy is contagious, and the cult will fall apart if the heretics are not made an example of.

    It is not an accident that the Baby Boomers, who were prone to joining crazy cults in the 1960s as young adults, are still are prone to the same thing in the 21st century. Their temperament hasn’t changed with the years.

  10. @Nodwink
    Bari Weiss spent most of her college years trying to cancel Palestinian activists on campus. I would be very suspicious of anything written by her; Weiss has a reputation for distortion, exaggeration, or straight out falsehoods.

    Replies: @Icy Blast, @PhysicistDave, @Danindc, @anonymous, @Jack D, @Paperback Writer, @Paperback Writer, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @AndrewR, @bomag, @Jilla, @R.G. Camara, @Colin Wright

    She’s a mediocrity who gained public attention by slandering Tulsi Gabbard. Best to just ignore her/it.

    • Agree: R.G. Camara
    • Disagree: Redman
    • Replies: @Redman
    @Icy Blast

    I'm not Jewish, but have a lot (probably mostly) Jewish friends and always have. I'm also not blind to the fact that a lot of Jews have a high rate of neuroticism, and a tendency to bloviate. They also can often be extremely funny and perceptive of destructive cultural trends.

    Weiss is definitely in the camp of Jews who feel a strong bond to Israel, and the concomitant (some might say irrational) dislike of Palestinians or of any perceived slight to Israel. I used to feel strongly against this Jewish type. Israel seemed to raise a moral question, and one in which the Jews seemed to be on the wrong side.

    But what's happening in America today has made me question those negative feelings. The current attack on white maleness reminds us how few white (or white adjacent) males feel compelled to fight back against this cultural trend. This trend is now all-encompassing, impacting almost every sphere of modern life. In this context, Jewish neuroticism no longer looks so zany but, in fact, brave. Weiss has, in my eyes, redeemed herself after the clumsy Tulsi Gabbard faux pas.

    Replies: @Getaclue

  11. @Nodwink
    Bari Weiss spent most of her college years trying to cancel Palestinian activists on campus. I would be very suspicious of anything written by her; Weiss has a reputation for distortion, exaggeration, or straight out falsehoods.

    Replies: @Icy Blast, @PhysicistDave, @Danindc, @anonymous, @Jack D, @Paperback Writer, @Paperback Writer, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @AndrewR, @bomag, @Jilla, @R.G. Camara, @Colin Wright

    Nodwink wrote:

    Bari Weiss spent most of her college years trying to cancel Palestinian activists on campus. I would be very suspicious of anything written by her; Weiss has a reputation for distortion, exaggeration, or straight out falsehoods.

    Perhaps, but for many of us in California it rings true. We had one neighbor with whom we could freely discuss our opinions: alas, she passed away right before Christmas (in her mid-nineties). My kid at UCLA can talk freely with a handful of the other engineering majors. Otherwise, she has to be careful.

    It’s reaching the point that you send little signals that maybe you are not really PC to sound people out, and then if they respond, you can talk.

    Let me make clear: I’m not talking about alt-Right, white supremacists, etc. If you hold the views of JFK or even George McGovern… well, you better be careful.

    • Agree: Not Only Wrathful
    • Troll: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
    @PhysicistDave

    You and your children can express themselves freely among the White working and "lowah" classes with no problem. The opinions could be libertarian, liberal, socialist, or whatever, and their lives wouldn't be ruined.

    But among the "uppah class" Whites and the Sacred non-White immigrants, say the wrong thing and they hunt you down for the next 40 years.

    I point this out for those reading, not for you, because you'll never get the connection.

    But please, tell your kid to speak their truth about the Enlightenment, and how sweet reason trumps crude genetics. Please, do that, and encourage them to follow the spirt of Rousseau.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Reg Cæsar, @PhysicistDave

    , @AndrewR
    @PhysicistDave

    Sorry for your loss. She sounds like she was a cool old lady.

    May I ask why you remain in California? Lol. I can't imagine living there in 2021. Take the money and run (assuming you own a house)

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    , @Anonymous Jew
    @PhysicistDave

    Mask etiquette is a pretty reliable give away. If not, I mention something about the homeless problem in my whitopia.

    , @R.G. Camara
    @PhysicistDave

    Must've been those dang dirty Catholics, eh, bigot?

    Perhaps you can draw a parallel from this to how dumb Catholic mass is, ya ignorant turd?

    BTW, any luck merely googling "how did Caesar pay his armies" instead of cluttering up the comment section, you sub-100 IQ wretch?

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

  12. anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:

    Yeah, I really feel sorry for those folks who can afford $40k yearly for school tuition. They are worried about shaming? How cowardly can people get? These people have become a decadent, spineless breed of jellyfish. To this mere peon it seems that with that sort of money one can write one’s own ticket: private tutors, shopping around for a different school, etc. Enough of them could organize their own school were they desperate enough. They’ll just have to forego the making connections and networking part. To think that Davy Crockett died at the Alamo so that a bunch of people who’ll end up running things could be such cringing wimps.

    • Replies: @Marquis
    @anonymous

    I agree. And Yglessis is right (broken clock, etc...).

    The complaining parents have their kids there for the connections, despite their protestations that they needed none to get where they’re at. But if they don’t like the actual education, they have plenty of great options at 40k per year.

    This blog still believes in IQ right? The actual teachers and school matter little so long as they’re competent, which any school charging 40k should meet that minimum threshold.

    If you want your kids to cozy up to today’s elite, learning to cite the new Marxist playbook is a requirement.

    , @Aardvark
    @anonymous

    If the parents don't want their school doing these things, why haven't the parents showed up at a board meeting with pitchforks and made it clear one of two things could happen if this nonsense doesn't stop immediately; you get aerated or our money goes elsewhere?

    Replies: @anon

    , @kaganovitch
    @anonymous

    Yeah, I really feel sorry for those folks who can afford $40k yearly for school tuition. They are worried about shaming? How cowardly can people get? These people have become a decadent, spineless breed of jellyfish.

    This is not entirely fair. "Shaming" in this context can come with real world consequences. Say you are an entertainment lawyer who pulls in high six figures in salary which allows for a very nice life including H.W. for your progeny. If you are smeared on social media as a 'racist' 'White supremacist' or the like, your job, lifestyle etc can go up in smoke in 5 minutes in one of these social piranha feeding frenzies and you may never recover. You can go from the highest peak to the depths of the pit like a snap. As in other tyrannies, it really doesn't take more than premature stoppage of clapping to be branded a saboteur/racist.

    , @Paperback Writer
    @anonymous

    No one's asking you to feel sorry for them. I don't give a shit about them, in fact, I rather enjoy their suffering - but we need to take note of this.


    No man is an island,
    Entire of itself.
    Each is a piece of the continent,
    A part of the main.
    If a clod be washed away by the sea,
    Europe is the less.
    As well as if a promontory were.
    As well as if a manor of thine own
    Or of thine friend's were.
    Each man's death diminishes me,
    For I am involved in mankind.
    Therefore, send not to know
    For whom the bell tolls,
    It tolls for thee.
     
    Moral: don't be a clod.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    , @Not Only Wrathful
    @anonymous

    People often spend that kind of money on their childrens' education in order to maintain their own social status. You can laugh at such pride, but that is what most expenditure goes on. This is why they find the solution so troubling.

    The cost of their children not being subject to an absurd ideological humiliation is the parents own pride (social status). Liars all, but people will people.

  13. @anonymous
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmCPQbk2448&ab_channel=Sena

    Tucker tonight ripped off your essay on noblesse oblige for his monologue. He took out any direct references to Jews. The segment even had Mark Steyn who is an honorable man and often credits you for ideas when he guest hosted Rush Limbaugh. https://www.unz.com/isteve/noblesse-oblige-in-21st-century/

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @Steve from Detroit, @AndrewR, @AnotherDad

    Of course, the funniest thing on Tucker tonight was simply the clip of Joe Biden announcing that we’re developing “maternity flight suits” for military pilots who are pregnant!

    My wife, who of course gave birth to our twins, found it hilarious that they think that women who are far enough in their pregnancy to need maternity flight suits should be flying military aircraft.

    Of course, putting hilarity aside, this is dangerous for both the woman and the baby.

    (A bit of googling shows that this goes back to the middle of last year, so I suppose we should ask why Trump did not stop this.)

    • Replies: @Elmer T. Jones
    @PhysicistDave

    It's not funny. I took my 96 year old mother to the local AFB hospital where there were dozens of women strolling around in camouflage maternity fatigues. Add the hordes of shuffling old retirees in their bold caps emblazoned with USS Constellation and other service monikers. We have 3 militaries, 1 active and 2 retired. Now the mostly male retirees are being supplanted by women. The push to alter combat clothing for women started decades ago. My wife at that time had a job measuring military women's breasts to compile ergonometric data to feminize flight suits. When I was in the Army the fatigues were 60s corporate conglomerate attire that made us look like green sanitation workers, very inspiring. My job was driving the SST, aka the Shit Sucker Truck. But I was airborne and got the derigure tattoo to prove it. At the base hospital I see young airmen in camo working as clinic receptionists. Later my mom asks "Don't you wish you had stayed in the Army, Elmer?". Yeah the 70s Army which was 80% urban blacks at that time. So I am angry, really angry.

    , @AndrewR
    @PhysicistDave

    I'm more concerned for our national security than about the safety of pregnant pilots and their babies. I'm not looking forward to being ruled by the Chinese so hopefully the Russians can pull a Hail Mary and take over the world. But even the Chinese would be preferable to the Jews and traitors who rule us now.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

  14. Hollywood Elites who supported the BLM riots, defunding the police, targeting of blue collar cops, the pro-crime LA DA, Kamala Harris and hatred of working class Trump supporters and Western Civilization now feel slightly uncomfortable over grade school politics.

    This is exactly the world these people want. They are getting a taste of the cancer that they have imposed upon the nation.

    And Bari Weiss and Ayaan Hirsi Ali in back to back posts? Is there a lamer pair? Ayaan Hirsi Ali has been milking the anti-Islam racket since at least 2003. Neither of these two have anything remotely interesting to say. Lazy neocon plays do not work anymore.

  15. Matt Yglesias’ comment (‘why not just build your own
    private school, hurr durr) reminds me of the long-forgotton distinction between businesses and institutions. Businesses come and go; you can take them or leave them. Only the owners and employees are all that deeply invested. But institutions, sometimes, are things that are worth fighting for, even if you have had no specially large role in them. Because they serve a greater good; or they stand at the hub of a community; or they are particularly hard to replace.

    Institutional status isn’t strictly confined to public versus private ownership or non-profit versus for-profit status. Schools — public or private — are institutions. Churches and synagogues too. Banks are financial institutions — says so right in the name. So is the county courthouse and the state mental asylum; in their heyday the railroads were institutions and so was the Post Office, but those slid (or are sliding) into mere business status as technology and evolving lifestyles make them less central to our lives.

    I’ll turn my back on Target and Starbucks with barely a second thought — their repellent habits of injecting absurd ideology into their business routines deserves nothing but scorn, and there are plenty of other shops in this world. But I actually volunteer my time to certain of my local institutions because I want to help them succeed and remain dedicated to honest and wholesome values.

    • Agree: Fluesterwitz
    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Ben Kurtz

    It's not even clear how much the parents profiled in this article really care about the institutional status and integrity of their children's schools. What Weiss says they really care about -- and I agree with her -- is which institutions their children will be associated with on the next rung of the educational ladder, i.e. universities.

    Here are a few additional paragraphs from Weiss's article:


    The parents in this story are not parents with no other options. Most have the capital—social and literal—to pull their kids out and hire private tutors. That they weren’t speaking out seemed to me cowardly, or worse.

    The cynical answer for their silence is two words: Ivy League. “There are definitively rumors that the school has like, say, three picks for Duke and that if you stand up against this your kid will get blackballed,” says one mother.

    Another explanation is groupthink and social pressure. “Sometimes the smartest people are the easiest ones to fool,” says a father who recently moved his son from one school to another that he judges to be marginally better. “If you made a decision to go on the board of Dalton having espoused all these leftist views forever and you want your kid to get into Harvard, you are not going to stand up and say, ‘wait a second, guys.’ You’re just not going to do it. Most people want to be members of the club.”

    I think it’s true that many people would rather violate their stated principles than be iced out of their social network. But this is a situation that goes beyond getting shunted to a bad table at the Robin Hood gala. To resist this ideology is to go against the entire institutional world.
     
    Yes, Harvard-Westlake is no doubt nice, and its physical plant would take a lot of money to emulate. But trying to build an alternative to the Ivy League is essentially impossible, and these parents know it. With good reason -- at least from their perspective -- they want their kids to be admitted to the right universities. They'll put up with a lot of shit before they will jeopardize this.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Twinkie, @YetAnotherAnon, @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Hibernian, @Forbes, @Patrick McNally, @Achmed E. Newman, @anon

    , @Paperback Writer
    @Ben Kurtz

    I often wonder why I come here - it's comments like this that make this blog worth reading.

    Your point illuminates why I feel such personal pain over the great cultural institutions of my own city bowing to wokeness, even if I rarely buy a ticket (too much money, as you age it's a pain to haul myself to a theater, etc. even before Covid) - because these institutions were formative in my intellectual and emotional life. So when they go down the tubes it hurts.

    May I suggest that "Hollywood" is an institution, even though it's not exactly what you're referring to, and it hurts to see it taken over and destroyed by wokeness? I haven't seen many movies in recent years. I hate superhero movies. But when I read that Star Wars has been slimed by wokeness, there's a pain that is inexplicable. You explained it.

    , @Art Deco
    @Ben Kurtz

    Because they serve a greater good; or they stand at the hub of a community; or they are particularly hard to replace.

    There are two private academies of note in my home town not affiliated with the Catholic diocese, the religious orders, or some evangelical congregation. One of them has been financially troubled in recent years and may close. The other one is currently run by a man who despises standardized tests and fancies a mess of gitchy-goo stuff like 'mindfullness and empathy, social-emotional learning' &c. The two schools in question enroll about 0.8% of the primary and secondary students in Monroe County, NY. They're not the hub of anything but a modest collection of boosters. Provide value-added or be gone.

    , @clifford brown
    @Ben Kurtz


    But institutions, sometimes, are things that are worth fighting for,
     
    Name one.
  16. anonymous[363] • Disclaimer says:

    Speaking of academics and cognitive function:

    • Replies: @El Dato, @Anonymous Jew
    @anonymous

    Steve mentioned this before: why not just norm to individual IQ via Wonderlic scores. Problem solved.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @anonymous

    Uh, oh, during discovery won't it come out that they got this idea from iSteve or one of you commenters? It wasn't me! I don't give a crap about NFL and usually don't comment under those posts, ... whewwww...

    - A.E. Newman's lawyer, dba Achmed E. Newman.... I OWN NOTHING!

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @anonymous

    ThreeSixThree, I have had at least four concussions, so no laughing matter, but the best thing that ever happened to these black NFL players was that they signed a contract that paid them more in one year than an average college grad made in his/her first ten years. They also got Workers' Comp and a pension.

    , @Half Canadian
    @anonymous

    If I remember correctly, Steve's suggestion was to use their SAT/ACT score, or even better, their Wonderlic.

  17. @Ben Kurtz
    Matt Yglesias' comment ('why not just build your own
    private school, hurr durr) reminds me of the long-forgotton distinction between businesses and institutions. Businesses come and go; you can take them or leave them. Only the owners and employees are all that deeply invested. But institutions, sometimes, are things that are worth fighting for, even if you have had no specially large role in them. Because they serve a greater good; or they stand at the hub of a community; or they are particularly hard to replace.

    Institutional status isn't strictly confined to public versus private ownership or non-profit versus for-profit status. Schools -- public or private -- are institutions. Churches and synagogues too. Banks are financial institutions -- says so right in the name. So is the county courthouse and the state mental asylum; in their heyday the railroads were institutions and so was the Post Office, but those slid (or are sliding) into mere business status as technology and evolving lifestyles make them less central to our lives.

    I'll turn my back on Target and Starbucks with barely a second thought -- their repellent habits of injecting absurd ideology into their business routines deserves nothing but scorn, and there are plenty of other shops in this world. But I actually volunteer my time to certain of my local institutions because I want to help them succeed and remain dedicated to honest and wholesome values.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Paperback Writer, @Art Deco, @clifford brown

    It’s not even clear how much the parents profiled in this article really care about the institutional status and integrity of their children’s schools. What Weiss says they really care about — and I agree with her — is which institutions their children will be associated with on the next rung of the educational ladder, i.e. universities.

    Here are a few additional paragraphs from Weiss’s article:

    The parents in this story are not parents with no other options. Most have the capital—social and literal—to pull their kids out and hire private tutors. That they weren’t speaking out seemed to me cowardly, or worse.

    The cynical answer for their silence is two words: Ivy League. “There are definitively rumors that the school has like, say, three picks for Duke and that if you stand up against this your kid will get blackballed,” says one mother.

    Another explanation is groupthink and social pressure. “Sometimes the smartest people are the easiest ones to fool,” says a father who recently moved his son from one school to another that he judges to be marginally better. “If you made a decision to go on the board of Dalton having espoused all these leftist views forever and you want your kid to get into Harvard, you are not going to stand up and say, ‘wait a second, guys.’ You’re just not going to do it. Most people want to be members of the club.”

    I think it’s true that many people would rather violate their stated principles than be iced out of their social network. But this is a situation that goes beyond getting shunted to a bad table at the Robin Hood gala. To resist this ideology is to go against the entire institutional world.

    Yes, Harvard-Westlake is no doubt nice, and its physical plant would take a lot of money to emulate. But trying to build an alternative to the Ivy League is essentially impossible, and these parents know it. With good reason — at least from their perspective — they want their kids to be admitted to the right universities. They’ll put up with a lot of shit before they will jeopardize this.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    So to update the old Elton John song, "Burn Down The Ivies"!

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

    , @Twinkie
    @The Last Real Calvinist


    But trying to build an alternative to the Ivy League is essentially impossible, and these parents know it. With good reason — at least from their perspective — they want their kids to be admitted to the right universities. They’ll put up with a lot of shit before they will jeopardize this.
     
    The solution is not to build an alternative to the Ivy League. The solution is to let the Ivy League destroy itself with its own medicine* (and I write this as a totally disgusted alumnus of the Ivies - seriously, to borrow from Michael Brown's father, "Burn this bitch down!").

    I say all of us should pressure the Ivy League to take more and more "underrepresented minorities." 25% isn't enough. It should be 50%. No, better yet, blacks and Hispanics should be 75% of the student bodies (the rest being underachieving, lazy scions of privileged Jews per Ron Unz's "American Meritocracy"). The Ivies should be shamed into taking more of them until they are completely packed with students who can't hack it in real life.

    *It's really too bad that Trump doesn't have the control of the Justice Department anymore - when Yale was self-flagellating and virtue-signaling about its own racism, it was really brilliant to say, "Oh, really? Did you know that that's against the law and we must investigate you now?"

    Replies: @anon, @Peter Akuleyev, @Jack D, @Hermes, @RegretLeft

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @The Last Real Calvinist


    "Yes, Harvard-Westlake is no doubt nice, and its physical plant would take a lot of money to emulate. But trying to build an alternative to the Ivy League is essentially impossible, and these parents know it. With good reason — at least from their perspective — they want their kids to be admitted to the right universities. They’ll put up with a lot of shit before they will jeopardize this."
     
    You have hit the nail bang-on, so much so that Steve should append this to the post.

    As long as the "best" universities are officially anti-white (in rhetoric if not so much in admissions) then they have influence over what their feeder schools teach. It's turtles all the way down to kindergarten and maybe beyond.

    It could be that in the very near future the old volunteering CV goodies - six months in an African preschool or three in a Thai orphanage explicitly set up as a lucrative CV-padding scam - just aren't enough, and you'll have to be a CBA - Certified Black Ally. Certification will be a lucrative business for the Kendi's of this world (and probably an interesting "learning experience" for the upper class 17 year old girls in anti-racist summer camp. After all, what better way to show your commitment and lack of racism...).
    , @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    One does not need the opulent physical trappings of a Harvard-Westlake to impart a sound education and/or foster the "right social connections" for their offspring. These trendy parents could establish an alternate "arrogantly shabby" sort of campus, if they had any agency at all. As for the "right universities" there's also a lot of housecleaning and re-thinking that needs doing there.

    , @Hibernian
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    It's my understanding that Harvard Law, U of C Law, medical schools, elite graduate schools, etc., care almost exclusively about GPA and test scores, plus unfortunately race and sex, and very little about what undergraduate institution an applicant attended. This may have, and probably has, to some extent, changed in recent years. I wouldn't recommend Bob Jones University as an ideal undergraduate school for aspiring future Nobelists, Secretaries of State, etc; however, my alma mater Iowa State or possibly more distinguished state Us such as Illinois, Virginia, etc. might be worthy of consideration.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    , @Forbes
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Some years ago, a family friend was a top executive at the largest industrial company in the US, with responsibilities that included HR (personnel & labor union relations). Every three years they would cull headcount (non-union) by dropping the bottom 10% performers (based on annual performance reviews).

    And while the company recruited from colleges and universities across the country, the Ivies were just as proportionally represented in the dismissals--they didn't represent higher employment prospects or performance. The real world acts as a giant leveler as compared to the narrow realm of academics.

    My own experience with two HS friends who matriculated at Harvard was their reporting that most of us (their friends) could perform quite handily at Harvard--the academics weren't especially difficult. It was getting in that was difficult.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    , @Patrick McNally
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    This is why total decline is necessary before any rejuvenation is possible. Until Harvard rots away completely there will be many well-to-do people who simply find it more advantageous to go along to get along. That, in turn, facilitates the rot even further.

    Replies: @stillCARealist, @The Last Real Calvinist

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Thanks for putting in this additional excerpt, Calvinist. (No matter what the commenters say above, this writer sounds pretty solid here at least.)


    The parents in this story are not parents with no other options. Most have the capital—social and literal—to pull their kids out and hire private tutors. That they weren’t speaking out seemed to me cowardly, or worse.
     
    Right, cowardice, but at the root is a lack of integrity. I've not seen a comment here on that yet, or from our esteemed blogger. It's like this:

    You can explain to me about the expensive kindergartens in NYC, this Westlake school, the Ivies, making connections, all of it. These parents, who obviously care enough about all that not to speak up against the PC bullshit do not have integrity. They are setting a bad example for their kids. I don't care how many connections their kids are going to make, what kind of job they'll end up with, and what kind of money they'll make.

    Their kids will pick up the same lack of integrity. Right is right, and wrong is wrong, and there's someone else to answer to at some point besides "The Ivies!"

    Replies: @nebulafox

    , @anon
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    This reminds me of Dennis Prager. Dennis Prager said that all it takes is for parents and students to speak out against this leftist lunacy is courage. He also said that whenever someone starts asking him where he went to college, or where his kids went to college, he knows right away they are Jewish, because only Jews care about where someone went to college, even though lately Asians are beginning to do the same. He said he tells his kids he doesn't care where they go to college. He himself went to Brooklyn College.

    What percentage of these parents at Harvard-Westlake, Dalton etc. are Jewish? I suspect a high percentage, along with the administrators. So at the end of the day, it's Kramer vs. Kramer, i.e. liberal Jews vs. liberal Jews, the only difference is, one group has money and is capitalist, the other doesn't and is socialist. Maybe this is how no money Jews stick it to the moneyed Jews. Regardless, this feels like a family conflict, I'm sure they'll find a way to work it out and not let this distract them from the real enemies -- those white supremacist insurrectionists.

    Btw Dennis Prager and Adam Corolla's documentary "No Safe Spaces" is now on Amazon Prime. It is very well done.

  18. Maybe as in so many cases it is a case of bien pensants* who bought into a theory while it seemed very promising, and when it didn’t justify the hype, then began doubling down on it and demanding supplementary effort; racheting up the energy invested every time the predicted results fail to appear in the real world

    Gian-Francesco Giudice On Future High-Energy Colliders

    Also, they get hired for their a track record in a certain school of thought so cannot switch from that track or even cease accelerating down it without derailing their career.

    (* White gentiles)

  19. There is only one thing she is really worried about, and that is the danger that this ideology starts noticing people other than just whites. If Weiss and her (((tribe))) get noticed that they are the ones with the real privilege, it will be very hard for them to put the genie back into the bottle.

  20. Soo…. they thought they could get away with small concessions to the degenerate woke crowd?

    I think they were wrong …..

    “Peace, Hester, peace!” replied the old man, with gloomy sternness. “It is not granted me to pardon. I have no such power as thou tellest me of. My old faith, long forgotten, comes back to me, and explains all that we do, and all we suffer. By thy first step awry, thou didst plant the germ of evil; but, since that moment, it has all been a dark necessity.

  21. @anon

    Bari Weiss has an article in City Journal about how rich parents at super elite private schools like Harvard-Westlake in the Hollywood Hills are surreptitiously aghast at how Woke their children’s expensive educations have become:
     
    To call this “woke” is to give a linguistic victory to the enemy. It is carrying your enemy’s water for him.

    It isn’t “woke”; it is anti-White.

    It is genocidal, in effect, if not in intent.

    Replies: @LondonBob

    Maoist not woke, even worse is when commentators on the right refer to it as ‘fascism’.

    In England there are so many private schools upsetting the parents is very much not done, that said there was some recent upset at Eton with a Maoist headmaster sacking a history teacher for a talk he gave, so maybe things have changed from my day.

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/11/28/delingpole-eton-sacks-teacher-who-dared-question-toxic-masculinity/

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/12/03/delingpole-eton-embraces-black-lives-matter-gay-pride-and-third-wave-feminism/

  22. Are they shocked or are they shocked that the wokeness isn’t taking the form they’d assume it would? Are they shocked that their children assume themselves to be racially as well as class privileged. Bari Weiss wasn’t disturbed enough to resign by the wokness per se, she was afraid of it’s logic touching on subjects she’d rather it not.

    Was her fear justified? Did she give up a very nice job for nothing? So far Israel has been successfully insulated from the woke social media tornado, impressively so. It actually goes to show how important the gatekeeping and ability to turbo-charge things the MSM actually is.

    Despite Trump’s embrace of Netanyahu and moving the US embassy to Jerusalem and usually everything Trump touches becoming a firestorm and despite Israel’s actions being very real concerns of the non-mainstream left-wing media including a few protest matches in Portland, that crucial catalyst of the MSM has been missing to turn these things into something they can’t ignore. #DefundTheIDF has failed to appear to trend on it’s own.

    But I suppose you can’t be too cautious. You only have to fail to contain it once.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Altai


    So far Israel has been successfully insulated from the woke social media tornado, impressively so. It actually goes to show how important the gatekeeping and ability to turbo-charge things the MSM actually is.
     
    The main force pushing anti-Whitism is the same force protecting and advancing the Zionist regime in Palestine. It’s not as if the force behind the Zionist regime is defending it against some external, foreign force. It is largely the same force, although, yes, it needs to take care the ideas it promotes aren’t in other hands used against it.
    , @Peter Akuleyev
    @Altai

    Are they shocked that their children assume themselves to be racially as well as class privileged.

    They suffer from cognitive dissonance. They truly believe we live in a meritocracy, which means simply the fact that they can afford to send their children to a $40,000 prep school means they are "good people", and for whatever reason they deeply want to be "good people". But they have also internalized that "good people" don't accept inequality or racial discrimination and want a world where everyone gets to live up to their "unlimited potential". Clever grifters can play on that.

    Replies: @guest007, @Spangel123

  23. Anon[363] • Disclaimer says:
    @Altai
    Are they shocked or are they shocked that the wokeness isn't taking the form they'd assume it would? Are they shocked that their children assume themselves to be racially as well as class privileged. Bari Weiss wasn't disturbed enough to resign by the wokness per se, she was afraid of it's logic touching on subjects she'd rather it not.

    Was her fear justified? Did she give up a very nice job for nothing? So far Israel has been successfully insulated from the woke social media tornado, impressively so. It actually goes to show how important the gatekeeping and ability to turbo-charge things the MSM actually is.

    Despite Trump's embrace of Netanyahu and moving the US embassy to Jerusalem and usually everything Trump touches becoming a firestorm and despite Israel's actions being very real concerns of the non-mainstream left-wing media including a few protest matches in Portland, that crucial catalyst of the MSM has been missing to turn these things into something they can't ignore. #DefundTheIDF has failed to appear to trend on it's own.

    But I suppose you can't be too cautious. You only have to fail to contain it once.

    Replies: @Anon, @Peter Akuleyev

    So far Israel has been successfully insulated from the woke social media tornado, impressively so. It actually goes to show how important the gatekeeping and ability to turbo-charge things the MSM actually is.

    The main force pushing anti-Whitism is the same force protecting and advancing the Zionist regime in Palestine. It’s not as if the force behind the Zionist regime is defending it against some external, foreign force. It is largely the same force, although, yes, it needs to take care the ideas it promotes aren’t in other hands used against it.

  24. Anonymous[215] • Disclaimer says:
    @PhysicistDave
    Sailer asked:

    Why do the Woke get away with their piracy so often?
     
    I think the reason is simple: they are willing to band together to ostracize, boycott, or cancel anyone who does not get with the program, whereas most ordinary, decent Americans are repelled by this sort of lynch mob behavior.

    Why isn't Tucker or Hannity or Trump organizing a boycott of Bed, Bath, and Beyond for kicking out Mike Lindell's products?

    Because that just doesn't "feel right" to most of us. We want to live in a country in which people are not penalized financially or career-wise for their political or religious opinions. I don't ask my barber or my plumber what his political views are and then reject him if they are different from mine.

    We think this is a great achievement that America works this way.

    Except it no longer does.

    We might not have the luxury of thinking this way any longer.

    Personally, I hate it: I do not want to carefully vet either the businesses I patronize or my friends or neighbors based on their political opinions.

    But we may have no choice.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Squid, @SimplePseudonymicHandle, @Achmed E. Newman, @Desiderius, @nebulafox, @JimB, @JohnnyWalker123, @vinteuil, @Kylie

    I don’t necessarily disagree with your broader point, but Mike Lindell is a terrible example. The man isn’t your local barber who happens to have conservative opinions; he’s a conservative pundit who happens to sell (not very good) pillows as part of his hustle. It is perfectly reasonable for BB&B to not want him associated with their brand.

    • Replies: @fnn
    @Anonymous

    I don't know or care about the quality of the pillows, but denouncing Lindell as a "pundit" is pretty lame when every other company of consequence appears to support Woke (i.e., cultural Bolshevist) ideology. Lindell probably became a "pundit" because so few choose to speak out. Similarly, Ron Johnson spoke out in the US Senate because no other GOP Senator dared to say anything in opposition to the Democrat lies about the "armed insurrection" and "white supremacists" of the Jan. 6 walk in the Capitol.

    , @bomag
    @Anonymous


    ...he’s a conservative pundit who happens to sell (not very good) pillows as part of his hustle. It is perfectly reasonable for BB&B to not want him associated with their brand
     
    That's a (typical) self-criticism we never see from the left.
    , @Jack D
    @Anonymous

    BB&B wanted him associated with their brand for many years until the final frenzy of anti-Trumpism. You may not think that the pillows are very good but apparently people like them and buy them and this made BB&B a lot of money over the years. But when Lindell defended the EEEVIL Trump, they dropped him like a hot potato. I guess other business people should get the message that if you have conservative opinions you should keep them to yourself. Free speech in America is dead, at least for anyone who is not a Leftist.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    , @Cloudbuster
    @Anonymous

    How nice of you to provide a perfect example of the mentality behind cancel culture.

    , @PhysicistDave
    @Anonymous

    Anonymous[215] wrote to me:


    Mike Lindell is a terrible example. The man isn’t your local barber who happens to have conservative opinions; he’s a conservative pundit who happens to sell (not very good) pillows as part of his hustle.
     
    Actually, my wife and I have had his pillows for a few years and we like them, and we did not know his political views when we bought them.

    In any case, BB&B made very, very clear that they were not dropping his products because the products were not good. It was very clear that they did so to impact political speech.

    And if they play that game, and decent people decline to do so, the decent people lose.
  25. If there is hope, it lies with white-adjacent gold chain people.

  26. @PhysicistDave
    @Nodwink

    Nodwink wrote:


    Bari Weiss spent most of her college years trying to cancel Palestinian activists on campus. I would be very suspicious of anything written by her; Weiss has a reputation for distortion, exaggeration, or straight out falsehoods.
     
    Perhaps, but for many of us in California it rings true. We had one neighbor with whom we could freely discuss our opinions: alas, she passed away right before Christmas (in her mid-nineties). My kid at UCLA can talk freely with a handful of the other engineering majors. Otherwise, she has to be careful.

    It's reaching the point that you send little signals that maybe you are not really PC to sound people out, and then if they respond, you can talk.

    Let me make clear: I'm not talking about alt-Right, white supremacists, etc. If you hold the views of JFK or even George McGovern... well, you better be careful.

    Replies: @RichardTaylor, @AndrewR, @Anonymous Jew, @R.G. Camara

    You and your children can express themselves freely among the White working and “lowah” classes with no problem. The opinions could be libertarian, liberal, socialist, or whatever, and their lives wouldn’t be ruined.

    But among the “uppah class” Whites and the Sacred non-White immigrants, say the wrong thing and they hunt you down for the next 40 years.

    I point this out for those reading, not for you, because you’ll never get the connection.

    But please, tell your kid to speak their truth about the Enlightenment, and how sweet reason trumps crude genetics. Please, do that, and encourage them to follow the spirt of Rousseau.

    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @RichardTaylor

    Dave is an elitist. He has no loyalty or natural affinity to Whites, much less low IQ Whites who aren't widely read or traveled. Dave's loyalty and affinity are to faculty cocktail party goers of any race who can pull out that pithy quote at just the right time.

    Dave's fine with POC taking over our lands, as long as they're clever sillies such as himself. That his cousins are disenfranchised matters not to him. Dave married into a Chinese family (don't know if his children are from that relationship) and lives in California. He has no people, only relationships.

    His colorblind CivNat routine is actually a ruse, even if he doesn't know it. He's using it to defend what he believes are his people, the high-IQ elite of various hues. (They are not his people because a people are bound by blood, culture and history. His relationships are bound only by culture, which isn't enough.)

    White nationalism is abhorrent and threatening to Whites such as Dave (and, possibly, Steve). He's turned his back on Whites as group (and, again, especially, those hillbilly Whites), so the last thing that he wants is Whites to band together and fight back against the multi-culti elite.

    HBD-aware is not pro-White.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @RichardTaylor


    ...encourage them to follow the spirt of Rousseau.
     
    Rousseau is the problem, not the solution.


    https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/gzdHpfGihsfNbiZ4PY3KB9-970-80.jpg.webp

    But among the “uppah class” Whites and the Sacred non-White immigrants, say the wrong thing and they hunt you down for the next 40 years.

     

    It was only 21 years in the case of the immigration act of 1787, otherwise known as Article I, Section 9:

    "The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight..."

    Replies: @fish

    , @PhysicistDave
    @RichardTaylor

    RichardTaylor wrote to me:


    You and your children can express themselves freely among the White working and “lowah” classes with no problem. The opinions could be libertarian, liberal, socialist, or whatever, and their lives wouldn’t be ruined.

    But among the “uppah class” Whites and the Sacred non-White immigrants, say the wrong thing and they hunt you down for the next 40 years.
     

    Yes, that is generally true, although, in my experience, "non-White immigrants," especially East Asians, are much more tolerant than PC Whites, indeed they tend to be contemptuous towards PC Whites.

    But if you scroll through my comments over the last few years (just click on my name, thanks to Ron Unz), you will see that I myself have made this point again and again and again over the last couple years. The enemy is what I have dubbed the "parasitic verbalist overclass," those among the upper middle class who hold or aspire to sinecures in which they churn out words rather than useful goods or services. Google the phrase "parasitic verbalist overclass": seems to be my invention. (I took the term "overclass" from Michael Lind.)

    RT also wrote to me:


    But please, tell your kid to speak their truth about the Enlightenment, and how sweet reason trumps crude genetics. Please, do that, and encourage them to follow the spirt of Rousseau.
     
    Rousseau was a primitivist, an egalitarians, and an apostle of the General Will. I am none of those.

    If you want to associate me with the Enlightenment, link me with Voltaire, Adam Smith, David Hume, and, above all, John Locke: I respect them all and have much in common with their views, especially Locke's.

  27. You really don’t need that fancy physical plant, to have a great educational experience.

    • Replies: @Joseph Doaks
    @International Jew

    "You really don’t need that fancy physical plant, to have a great educational experience."

    Many private and parochial schools have been demonstrating this for years. It's the teachers, the curriculum, and the freedom to discipline or expel.

  28. @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Ben Kurtz

    It's not even clear how much the parents profiled in this article really care about the institutional status and integrity of their children's schools. What Weiss says they really care about -- and I agree with her -- is which institutions their children will be associated with on the next rung of the educational ladder, i.e. universities.

    Here are a few additional paragraphs from Weiss's article:


    The parents in this story are not parents with no other options. Most have the capital—social and literal—to pull their kids out and hire private tutors. That they weren’t speaking out seemed to me cowardly, or worse.

    The cynical answer for their silence is two words: Ivy League. “There are definitively rumors that the school has like, say, three picks for Duke and that if you stand up against this your kid will get blackballed,” says one mother.

    Another explanation is groupthink and social pressure. “Sometimes the smartest people are the easiest ones to fool,” says a father who recently moved his son from one school to another that he judges to be marginally better. “If you made a decision to go on the board of Dalton having espoused all these leftist views forever and you want your kid to get into Harvard, you are not going to stand up and say, ‘wait a second, guys.’ You’re just not going to do it. Most people want to be members of the club.”

    I think it’s true that many people would rather violate their stated principles than be iced out of their social network. But this is a situation that goes beyond getting shunted to a bad table at the Robin Hood gala. To resist this ideology is to go against the entire institutional world.
     
    Yes, Harvard-Westlake is no doubt nice, and its physical plant would take a lot of money to emulate. But trying to build an alternative to the Ivy League is essentially impossible, and these parents know it. With good reason -- at least from their perspective -- they want their kids to be admitted to the right universities. They'll put up with a lot of shit before they will jeopardize this.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Twinkie, @YetAnotherAnon, @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Hibernian, @Forbes, @Patrick McNally, @Achmed E. Newman, @anon

    So to update the old Elton John song, “Burn Down The Ivies”!

    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    @Redneck farmer

    Or, "Where To Now, St. Grottlesex?"

  29. “How does focusing a spotlight on race fix how kids talk to one another? Why can’t they just all be Wolverines?”

    His naïvete is so touching.

  30. “They are making my son feel like a racist because of the pigmentation of his skin,” one mother says.

    No, they are making your son feel like a racist because of his biological ancestry.

    The right-liberal “skin colour” meme needs to go, or nothing will ever get better for Whites.

    • Replies: @Joseph Doaks
    @Roderick Spode

    "The right-liberal “skin colour” meme needs to go, or nothing will ever get better for Whites."

    This is so true. And most so-called "conservative" commentators continue to fall for it.

  31. I wonder how the situation is in the rest of the Anglosphere and Western Europe.

    My sense is that it might be even worse in those places, as their governments have more power to censor and/or punish people for saying “offensive” stuff.

  32. @El Dato

    Matthew Yglesias wonders why the free market isn’t solving this problem
     
    I rather think he wonders whether people shouldn't just go to public schools, which they pay for anyway?

    Anway, people who put a photo of their masked mug into that roundel on Blue Social Meedja are sub-par. Use a nice pic of USB-connected NPC man or something.

    OT:

    In (((Our Democracy))) you must not insult troops of Kamerad Röhm:

    Mumford & Sons banjo player apologizes for endorsing Andy Ngo book, critical of Antifa, ‘takes time’ off the band amid backlash

    Hounded by a mob of enraged netizens [who? fellow UK artists Sleaford Mods for one], [UK band] Mumford & Sons banjo player Winston Marshall has retracted an endorsement of conservative journalist Andy Ngo’s book on Antifa, drawing accusations of caving in to “bullies.”

    “Over the past few days I have come to better understand the pain caused by the book I endorsed,” the British musician wrote in a tweet on Tuesday night. “I have offended not only a lot of people I don’t know, but also those closest to me, including my bandmates and for that I am truly sorry. As a result of my actions I am taking time away from the band to examine my blindspots… Please know that I realize how my endorsements have the potential to be viewed as approvals of hateful, divisive behavior.”
     
    And you should be, Herr Marshall. Know who the good guys are.

    Replies: @Roderick Spode, @Peter Akuleyev, @Tex, @AndrewR

    I guess this son should’ve stayed mum for’t

  33. @PhysicistDave
    @anonymous

    Of course, the funniest thing on Tucker tonight was simply the clip of Joe Biden announcing that we're developing "maternity flight suits" for military pilots who are pregnant!

    My wife, who of course gave birth to our twins, found it hilarious that they think that women who are far enough in their pregnancy to need maternity flight suits should be flying military aircraft.

    Of course, putting hilarity aside, this is dangerous for both the woman and the baby.

    (A bit of googling shows that this goes back to the middle of last year, so I suppose we should ask why Trump did not stop this.)

    Replies: @Elmer T. Jones, @AndrewR

    It’s not funny. I took my 96 year old mother to the local AFB hospital where there were dozens of women strolling around in camouflage maternity fatigues. Add the hordes of shuffling old retirees in their bold caps emblazoned with USS Constellation and other service monikers. We have 3 militaries, 1 active and 2 retired. Now the mostly male retirees are being supplanted by women. The push to alter combat clothing for women started decades ago. My wife at that time had a job measuring military women’s breasts to compile ergonometric data to feminize flight suits. When I was in the Army the fatigues were 60s corporate conglomerate attire that made us look like green sanitation workers, very inspiring. My job was driving the SST, aka the Shit Sucker Truck. But I was airborne and got the derigure tattoo to prove it. At the base hospital I see young airmen in camo working as clinic receptionists. Later my mom asks “Don’t you wish you had stayed in the Army, Elmer?”. Yeah the 70s Army which was 80% urban blacks at that time. So I am angry, really angry.

  34. My kids go to one of the schools profiled in Bari’s piece.

    As dystopic as the essay makes it seem, most kids have a way of treating the ideology espoused by their teachers (or parents) as suspect, since roughly… ever. That’s * especially * true when the indoctrination apparatchiks lack cleverness, self-confidence or self-awareness.

    Ironically, amongst some of our friends, the running joke (or lament, as the case may be) is that the ham handed efforts by the school have succeeded only in transforming all of the boys into Republicans!

    Alex P. Keaton all over again.

    • Replies: @Chief Seattle
    @DiogenesNYC

    I'm seeing the same thing. Boys will be boys.

    The early 90s seemed like a reaction to the busing and crime disasters of the early 70s. I hope we don't have to wait 20 years to end this craziness. It seems so crazy, and information travels so much faster, that it might just burn itself out sooner.

  35. @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Ben Kurtz

    It's not even clear how much the parents profiled in this article really care about the institutional status and integrity of their children's schools. What Weiss says they really care about -- and I agree with her -- is which institutions their children will be associated with on the next rung of the educational ladder, i.e. universities.

    Here are a few additional paragraphs from Weiss's article:


    The parents in this story are not parents with no other options. Most have the capital—social and literal—to pull their kids out and hire private tutors. That they weren’t speaking out seemed to me cowardly, or worse.

    The cynical answer for their silence is two words: Ivy League. “There are definitively rumors that the school has like, say, three picks for Duke and that if you stand up against this your kid will get blackballed,” says one mother.

    Another explanation is groupthink and social pressure. “Sometimes the smartest people are the easiest ones to fool,” says a father who recently moved his son from one school to another that he judges to be marginally better. “If you made a decision to go on the board of Dalton having espoused all these leftist views forever and you want your kid to get into Harvard, you are not going to stand up and say, ‘wait a second, guys.’ You’re just not going to do it. Most people want to be members of the club.”

    I think it’s true that many people would rather violate their stated principles than be iced out of their social network. But this is a situation that goes beyond getting shunted to a bad table at the Robin Hood gala. To resist this ideology is to go against the entire institutional world.
     
    Yes, Harvard-Westlake is no doubt nice, and its physical plant would take a lot of money to emulate. But trying to build an alternative to the Ivy League is essentially impossible, and these parents know it. With good reason -- at least from their perspective -- they want their kids to be admitted to the right universities. They'll put up with a lot of shit before they will jeopardize this.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Twinkie, @YetAnotherAnon, @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Hibernian, @Forbes, @Patrick McNally, @Achmed E. Newman, @anon

    But trying to build an alternative to the Ivy League is essentially impossible, and these parents know it. With good reason — at least from their perspective — they want their kids to be admitted to the right universities. They’ll put up with a lot of shit before they will jeopardize this.

    The solution is not to build an alternative to the Ivy League. The solution is to let the Ivy League destroy itself with its own medicine* (and I write this as a totally disgusted alumnus of the Ivies – seriously, to borrow from Michael Brown’s father, “Burn this bitch down!”).

    I say all of us should pressure the Ivy League to take more and more “underrepresented minorities.” 25% isn’t enough. It should be 50%. No, better yet, blacks and Hispanics should be 75% of the student bodies (the rest being underachieving, lazy scions of privileged Jews per Ron Unz’s “American Meritocracy”). The Ivies should be shamed into taking more of them until they are completely packed with students who can’t hack it in real life.

    *It’s really too bad that Trump doesn’t have the control of the Justice Department anymore – when Yale was self-flagellating and virtue-signaling about its own racism, it was really brilliant to say, “Oh, really? Did you know that that’s against the law and we must investigate you now?”

    • Replies: @anon
    @Twinkie


    The solution is to let the Ivy League destroy itself with its own medicine*
     
    A similar prescription should be followed when it comes to female sports and transgender athletes.
    , @Peter Akuleyev
    @Twinkie

    The solution is to let the Ivy League destroy itself with its own medicine

    How will that work when so many of the "leaders" on the Right (Trump, Cruz, DeSantis, Hawley, Cotton) are Ivy League graduates and don't want their "accomplishment" devalued?

    Replies: @gent, @Twinkie, @bomag

    , @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    This is what the Communist revolutionaries used to call "increasing the contradictions". It's really not a good idea. If your car is not running well, the solution is to find out what is wrong with it and try to fix it, not to set the car on fire.

    Replies: @SFG, @kaganovitch, @Barnard, @nebulafox, @Citizen of a Silly Country

    , @Hermes
    @Twinkie


    I say all of us should pressure the Ivy League to take more and more “underrepresented minorities.” 25% isn’t enough. It should be 50%. No, better yet, blacks and Hispanics should be 75% of the student bodies (the rest being underachieving, lazy scions of privileged Jews per Ron Unz’s “American Meritocracy”). The Ivies should be shamed into taking more of them until they are completely packed with students who can’t hack it in real life.
     
    I think this is naive. It reminds me of how culturally conservative types used to tell teenagers that if you had long hair and tattoos, you wouldn't be able to get a good job. Well, that generation changed society so that is no longer the case. What would happen if the Ivies accepted all these students who can't hack it in (today's) real life is not that the Ivies would change, it's that real life would change. Society would accept crumbling infrastructure and ineffective institutions as the price of maintaining these social networks. I've seen it with affirmative action hires in my own profession. Do their blatant failures cause anyone to "wake up?" No, we just endlessly gaslight ourselves, pretending that these obvious incompetents are eminently competent, ignoring and covering up their failure and shoddy work.
    , @RegretLeft
    @Twinkie

    Not only is it against the law, but Yale had annually signed certifications that they did not discriminate on the basis etc etc - and then during the GFloyd struggle session said in fact they DID discriminate and had long done so.

    Whether Yale had thereby certified fraudulently is why US Dept of Ed opened an investigation - (now, I presume, dropped)

  36. @El Dato

    Matthew Yglesias wonders why the free market isn’t solving this problem
     
    I rather think he wonders whether people shouldn't just go to public schools, which they pay for anyway?

    Anway, people who put a photo of their masked mug into that roundel on Blue Social Meedja are sub-par. Use a nice pic of USB-connected NPC man or something.

    OT:

    In (((Our Democracy))) you must not insult troops of Kamerad Röhm:

    Mumford & Sons banjo player apologizes for endorsing Andy Ngo book, critical of Antifa, ‘takes time’ off the band amid backlash

    Hounded by a mob of enraged netizens [who? fellow UK artists Sleaford Mods for one], [UK band] Mumford & Sons banjo player Winston Marshall has retracted an endorsement of conservative journalist Andy Ngo’s book on Antifa, drawing accusations of caving in to “bullies.”

    “Over the past few days I have come to better understand the pain caused by the book I endorsed,” the British musician wrote in a tweet on Tuesday night. “I have offended not only a lot of people I don’t know, but also those closest to me, including my bandmates and for that I am truly sorry. As a result of my actions I am taking time away from the band to examine my blindspots… Please know that I realize how my endorsements have the potential to be viewed as approvals of hateful, divisive behavior.”
     
    And you should be, Herr Marshall. Know who the good guys are.

    Replies: @Roderick Spode, @Peter Akuleyev, @Tex, @AndrewR

    I rather think he wonders whether people shouldn’t just go to public schools, which they pay for anyway?

    I agree that was Yglesias’ point. The irony of course being that any parent who is truly “Woke” would send his kid to public school where they can experience all the benefits of diversity. No doubt liberal guilt is what compels so many wealthy parents to kow-tow to this nonsense.

  37. @Twinkie
    @The Last Real Calvinist


    But trying to build an alternative to the Ivy League is essentially impossible, and these parents know it. With good reason — at least from their perspective — they want their kids to be admitted to the right universities. They’ll put up with a lot of shit before they will jeopardize this.
     
    The solution is not to build an alternative to the Ivy League. The solution is to let the Ivy League destroy itself with its own medicine* (and I write this as a totally disgusted alumnus of the Ivies - seriously, to borrow from Michael Brown's father, "Burn this bitch down!").

    I say all of us should pressure the Ivy League to take more and more "underrepresented minorities." 25% isn't enough. It should be 50%. No, better yet, blacks and Hispanics should be 75% of the student bodies (the rest being underachieving, lazy scions of privileged Jews per Ron Unz's "American Meritocracy"). The Ivies should be shamed into taking more of them until they are completely packed with students who can't hack it in real life.

    *It's really too bad that Trump doesn't have the control of the Justice Department anymore - when Yale was self-flagellating and virtue-signaling about its own racism, it was really brilliant to say, "Oh, really? Did you know that that's against the law and we must investigate you now?"

    Replies: @anon, @Peter Akuleyev, @Jack D, @Hermes, @RegretLeft

    The solution is to let the Ivy League destroy itself with its own medicine*

    A similar prescription should be followed when it comes to female sports and transgender athletes.

  38. @Altai
    Are they shocked or are they shocked that the wokeness isn't taking the form they'd assume it would? Are they shocked that their children assume themselves to be racially as well as class privileged. Bari Weiss wasn't disturbed enough to resign by the wokness per se, she was afraid of it's logic touching on subjects she'd rather it not.

    Was her fear justified? Did she give up a very nice job for nothing? So far Israel has been successfully insulated from the woke social media tornado, impressively so. It actually goes to show how important the gatekeeping and ability to turbo-charge things the MSM actually is.

    Despite Trump's embrace of Netanyahu and moving the US embassy to Jerusalem and usually everything Trump touches becoming a firestorm and despite Israel's actions being very real concerns of the non-mainstream left-wing media including a few protest matches in Portland, that crucial catalyst of the MSM has been missing to turn these things into something they can't ignore. #DefundTheIDF has failed to appear to trend on it's own.

    But I suppose you can't be too cautious. You only have to fail to contain it once.

    Replies: @Anon, @Peter Akuleyev

    Are they shocked that their children assume themselves to be racially as well as class privileged.

    They suffer from cognitive dissonance. They truly believe we live in a meritocracy, which means simply the fact that they can afford to send their children to a $40,000 prep school means they are “good people”, and for whatever reason they deeply want to be “good people”. But they have also internalized that “good people” don’t accept inequality or racial discrimination and want a world where everyone gets to live up to their “unlimited potential”. Clever grifters can play on that.

    • Replies: @guest007
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Harvard-Westlake is 31% Asian but only 8% Hispanic. https://www.niche.com/k12/harvard-westlake-school-los-angeles-ca/students/

    Harvard-Westlake appears to be the schools who families who are rich because they live in Southern California but do not really like living there and really do not like living around so many Mexican/Mexican-Americans.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @Spangel123
    @Peter Akuleyev

    This is the heart of the problem. The post industrial capitalist system has been entrenching itself throughout the world for more than a hundred years now. After generations under this system, we are seeing clear patterns emerge around who has more and less merit. Clearly merit is not distributed evenly. Not within a race and not across races either.

    So what are we left with? Either what we call merit is a vicious lie, or some easily identified categories of human beings possess less merit. The latter proposal frightens a lot of people. It frightens the losers for obvious reasons, but it is a problem for the winners too. For if there is no authentic way for genetic losers to better themselves in the capitalist system, what is left for them but to revolt against the winners?

    So we have all become invested in a lie to soothes the losers and protects the winners. Of course, for the winners it is more complicated. It's not only about preventing the losers from having a reason to revolt against a system they will never succeed in. It's also about maintaining status for the children of winners who don't always stack up against the high IQ from the middle and lower classes, particularly the Asians, but also middle class intelligent whites.

    Courage comes with a price. A price that is so easy not to pay by just keeping quiet and knowing the truth while keeping it to oneself. If it were just about maintaining the present generation's wealth and power, we all would keep quiet. The only hope lies in the stomach turning horror a non-woke elite feels while seeing his own children succumb to woke propaganda and believing it full force. Perhaps that would be enough to wake the complacent into speaking out.

  39. @Twinkie
    @The Last Real Calvinist


    But trying to build an alternative to the Ivy League is essentially impossible, and these parents know it. With good reason — at least from their perspective — they want their kids to be admitted to the right universities. They’ll put up with a lot of shit before they will jeopardize this.
     
    The solution is not to build an alternative to the Ivy League. The solution is to let the Ivy League destroy itself with its own medicine* (and I write this as a totally disgusted alumnus of the Ivies - seriously, to borrow from Michael Brown's father, "Burn this bitch down!").

    I say all of us should pressure the Ivy League to take more and more "underrepresented minorities." 25% isn't enough. It should be 50%. No, better yet, blacks and Hispanics should be 75% of the student bodies (the rest being underachieving, lazy scions of privileged Jews per Ron Unz's "American Meritocracy"). The Ivies should be shamed into taking more of them until they are completely packed with students who can't hack it in real life.

    *It's really too bad that Trump doesn't have the control of the Justice Department anymore - when Yale was self-flagellating and virtue-signaling about its own racism, it was really brilliant to say, "Oh, really? Did you know that that's against the law and we must investigate you now?"

    Replies: @anon, @Peter Akuleyev, @Jack D, @Hermes, @RegretLeft

    The solution is to let the Ivy League destroy itself with its own medicine

    How will that work when so many of the “leaders” on the Right (Trump, Cruz, DeSantis, Hawley, Cotton) are Ivy League graduates and don’t want their “accomplishment” devalued?

    • Replies: @gent
    @Peter Akuleyev

    There are no leaders on the right.

    , @Twinkie
    @Peter Akuleyev

    They seem to want to play tribunes - I would think that elite markers are a mild disadvantage in that role.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @tommytomtom, @nebulafox

    , @bomag
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Isn't it better for an insider to cancel the place?

  40. Anon[361] • Disclaimer says:

    Apparently it’s a nonprofit with a board of trustees.

    Are there any lawyers out there?

    Remember when Ron and Stephen Hsu and Ralph Nader and friends tried to take over Harvard University?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Harvard,_Fair_Harvard

    Could something like that work against Harvard-Westlake, if there is a silent majority of parents who are fed up with woke? Who appoints/elects the trustees anyway? Or would there have to be some sort of lawsuit?

    Even then, given that woke is a religion, if a substantial portion of the staff revolt, the trustees have to fire everyone and start from scratch … but where do you hire non-woke teachers from? Could you raid the staff of local Chick-fil-A outlets?

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Anon

    I downloaded the 2019 Form 990:

    https://apps.irs.gov/pub/epostcard/cor/951644019_201906_990_2019112216883237.pdf

    They have 38 trustees, it appears.

    There's a teacher who's getting $258,000. He's listed as the highest compensated employee. A guy named Robert Levin. I wonder what the 90 percentile teacher gets, and the 50 percentile. The President is getting $692,000. Levin is number 5, and the three between him and the president are pretty close to Levin's salary.

    Replies: @education realist

  41. @Redneck farmer
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    So to update the old Elton John song, "Burn Down The Ivies"!

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

    Or, “Where To Now, St. Grottlesex?”

  42. @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Ben Kurtz

    It's not even clear how much the parents profiled in this article really care about the institutional status and integrity of their children's schools. What Weiss says they really care about -- and I agree with her -- is which institutions their children will be associated with on the next rung of the educational ladder, i.e. universities.

    Here are a few additional paragraphs from Weiss's article:


    The parents in this story are not parents with no other options. Most have the capital—social and literal—to pull their kids out and hire private tutors. That they weren’t speaking out seemed to me cowardly, or worse.

    The cynical answer for their silence is two words: Ivy League. “There are definitively rumors that the school has like, say, three picks for Duke and that if you stand up against this your kid will get blackballed,” says one mother.

    Another explanation is groupthink and social pressure. “Sometimes the smartest people are the easiest ones to fool,” says a father who recently moved his son from one school to another that he judges to be marginally better. “If you made a decision to go on the board of Dalton having espoused all these leftist views forever and you want your kid to get into Harvard, you are not going to stand up and say, ‘wait a second, guys.’ You’re just not going to do it. Most people want to be members of the club.”

    I think it’s true that many people would rather violate their stated principles than be iced out of their social network. But this is a situation that goes beyond getting shunted to a bad table at the Robin Hood gala. To resist this ideology is to go against the entire institutional world.
     
    Yes, Harvard-Westlake is no doubt nice, and its physical plant would take a lot of money to emulate. But trying to build an alternative to the Ivy League is essentially impossible, and these parents know it. With good reason -- at least from their perspective -- they want their kids to be admitted to the right universities. They'll put up with a lot of shit before they will jeopardize this.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Twinkie, @YetAnotherAnon, @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Hibernian, @Forbes, @Patrick McNally, @Achmed E. Newman, @anon

    “Yes, Harvard-Westlake is no doubt nice, and its physical plant would take a lot of money to emulate. But trying to build an alternative to the Ivy League is essentially impossible, and these parents know it. With good reason — at least from their perspective — they want their kids to be admitted to the right universities. They’ll put up with a lot of shit before they will jeopardize this.”

    You have hit the nail bang-on, so much so that Steve should append this to the post.

    As long as the “best” universities are officially anti-white (in rhetoric if not so much in admissions) then they have influence over what their feeder schools teach. It’s turtles all the way down to kindergarten and maybe beyond.

    It could be that in the very near future the old volunteering CV goodies – six months in an African preschool or three in a Thai orphanage explicitly set up as a lucrative CV-padding scam – just aren’t enough, and you’ll have to be a CBA – Certified Black Ally. Certification will be a lucrative business for the Kendi’s of this world (and probably an interesting “learning experience” for the upper class 17 year old girls in anti-racist summer camp. After all, what better way to show your commitment and lack of racism…).

  43. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Twinkie

    The solution is to let the Ivy League destroy itself with its own medicine

    How will that work when so many of the "leaders" on the Right (Trump, Cruz, DeSantis, Hawley, Cotton) are Ivy League graduates and don't want their "accomplishment" devalued?

    Replies: @gent, @Twinkie, @bomag

    There are no leaders on the right.

  44. @anonymous
    Speaking of academics and cognitive function:

    https://www.twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1369425716895420424

    Replies: @El Dato, @Anonymous Jew, @Achmed E. Newman, @Buffalo Joe, @Half Canadian

  45. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Twinkie

    The solution is to let the Ivy League destroy itself with its own medicine

    How will that work when so many of the "leaders" on the Right (Trump, Cruz, DeSantis, Hawley, Cotton) are Ivy League graduates and don't want their "accomplishment" devalued?

    Replies: @gent, @Twinkie, @bomag

    They seem to want to play tribunes – I would think that elite markers are a mild disadvantage in that role.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Twinkie

    Yet even Trump had an Ivy degree (Penn), with his first 2 years being at Jesuit Fordham.

    , @tommytomtom
    @Twinkie

    Cruz and Cotton are frauds, the others time will tell. But the kind of explosive leader we need will likely not come from the Ivies (and this could be decades away).

    , @nebulafox
    @Twinkie

    I have a feeling the US is going to be jumping straight past to Sulla at this rate.

    Even the louche personal life would be an advantage, because it is at least authentic: part of Trump's success was nothing more than that, after all. Moralizing mixed with venality is never likeable. People can take one or the other, rarely both.

  46. @PhysicistDave
    Sailer asked:

    Why do the Woke get away with their piracy so often?
     
    I think the reason is simple: they are willing to band together to ostracize, boycott, or cancel anyone who does not get with the program, whereas most ordinary, decent Americans are repelled by this sort of lynch mob behavior.

    Why isn't Tucker or Hannity or Trump organizing a boycott of Bed, Bath, and Beyond for kicking out Mike Lindell's products?

    Because that just doesn't "feel right" to most of us. We want to live in a country in which people are not penalized financially or career-wise for their political or religious opinions. I don't ask my barber or my plumber what his political views are and then reject him if they are different from mine.

    We think this is a great achievement that America works this way.

    Except it no longer does.

    We might not have the luxury of thinking this way any longer.

    Personally, I hate it: I do not want to carefully vet either the businesses I patronize or my friends or neighbors based on their political opinions.

    But we may have no choice.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Squid, @SimplePseudonymicHandle, @Achmed E. Newman, @Desiderius, @nebulafox, @JimB, @JohnnyWalker123, @vinteuil, @Kylie

    “why isn’t Tucker…?”

    Because he doesn’t own Fox News and BB&B is a potential advertiser?

  47. If one looks at where Harvard-Westlake graduates go to college, one will understand why the parents will pay so much and tolerate so much.

    https://www.hw.com/about/HW-at-a-Glance/Matriculation

    When NYU is the safety school of the graduates, the school sells itself. What the college list also shows is how much the parents and their children actually hate living in Southern California and want to leave.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    @guest007

    H-W's university admissions track record is fantastic.

    Here's how many H-W students got into the Ivies last year:

    Harvard -- 5
    Yale -- 7
    Princeton -- 5
    Columbia -- 6
    Penn -- 6
    Brown -- 8
    Cornell -- 9
    Dartmouth -- 5

    If my arithmetic skills haven't failed me, that's 51 Ivy admits.

    And here are H-W's numbers for other big-name universities:

    Stanford -- 7
    Duke -- 3
    Northwestern -- 3
    Chicago -- 13(!)
    MIT -- 1
    Caltech -- 0

    Add these 27 additional admits to top-15 universities to the 51 Ivies, and you've got 78 already.

    And then there are dozens and dozens more admitted to NYU, Georgetown, top liberal arts colleges such as Amherst, Claremont-McKenna, Carelton, and on and on.

    You tell me what H-W is selling.

    Replies: @guest007

  48. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Altai

    Are they shocked that their children assume themselves to be racially as well as class privileged.

    They suffer from cognitive dissonance. They truly believe we live in a meritocracy, which means simply the fact that they can afford to send their children to a $40,000 prep school means they are "good people", and for whatever reason they deeply want to be "good people". But they have also internalized that "good people" don't accept inequality or racial discrimination and want a world where everyone gets to live up to their "unlimited potential". Clever grifters can play on that.

    Replies: @guest007, @Spangel123

    Harvard-Westlake is 31% Asian but only 8% Hispanic. https://www.niche.com/k12/harvard-westlake-school-los-angeles-ca/students/

    Harvard-Westlake appears to be the schools who families who are rich because they live in Southern California but do not really like living there and really do not like living around so many Mexican/Mexican-Americans.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @guest007

    Traditionally, Harvard-Westlake was very hard academically.

    Replies: @guest007

  49. If you are a Harvard-Westlake parent and you don’t like it getting highjacked by the Woke, just start your own unWoke Harvard-Westlake. After all, how much could it cost to reproduce Harvard-Westlake’s 12 acre middle school campus in Holmby Hills between Beverly Hills and Bel-Air?

    You don’t need that. You do need satisfactory teachers. If there’s a disgruntled parent at Harvard-Westlake who is in the commercial real estate business, he can find them temporary headquarters. These people are ‘afraid’ not because there is anything to fear, but because they are other-directed and craven by nature.

    • Thanks: Jim Bob Lassiter, sayless
    • Replies: @Anon
    @Art Deco

    This. As a tenured prof at a good school that has gone nuts i am desperate to get out. These people could create schools that employ people like me. But the kids would not get a job at goldman. Those jobs are for people who have taken the ticket. Borrowing a line from Vox Day.

    Replies: @jilla2, @Art Deco, @HA, @Anon, @anonymous

    , @PhysicistDave
    @Art Deco

    Art Deco wrote:


    These people are ‘afraid’ not because there is anything to fear, but because they are other-directed and craven by nature
     
    No, these people want their children to gain entrée into the higher echelons of the parasitic verbalist overclass, the ruling elite.

    The one point on which I disagree with Bari Weiss is that she just wants to fix potholes on the freeway that leads to the elite positions.

    But the problem is not the potholes; the problem is the destination.

    We should not have a parasitic overclass at all.

    Note that I am not saying that all people are equal. Yes, in a free country there will be a "natural aristocracy" of people with talent and ability.

    But look at Biden's cabinet, or at Biden and Harris themselves. These are not people who have excelled at productive activities. They would be losers in a free country.

    To get rid of the corrupt elite, get rid of the corrupt positions to which the elite aspire.

    Abolish the Deep State, discourage kids from going to universities when the kids do not want to actually learn anything, get rid of the Fed.

    Get rid of the corrupt elite by depriving them of any corrupt positions to aspire to.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  50. Anon[157] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    Apparently it's a nonprofit with a board of trustees.

    Are there any lawyers out there?

    Remember when Ron and Stephen Hsu and Ralph Nader and friends tried to take over Harvard University?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Harvard,_Fair_Harvard

    Could something like that work against Harvard-Westlake, if there is a silent majority of parents who are fed up with woke? Who appoints/elects the trustees anyway? Or would there have to be some sort of lawsuit?

    Even then, given that woke is a religion, if a substantial portion of the staff revolt, the trustees have to fire everyone and start from scratch ... but where do you hire non-woke teachers from? Could you raid the staff of local Chick-fil-A outlets?

    Replies: @Anon

    I downloaded the 2019 Form 990:

    https://apps.irs.gov/pub/epostcard/cor/951644019_201906_990_2019112216883237.pdf

    They have 38 trustees, it appears.

    There’s a teacher who’s getting $258,000. He’s listed as the highest compensated employee. A guy named Robert Levin. I wonder what the 90 percentile teacher gets, and the 50 percentile. The President is getting $692,000. Levin is number 5, and the three between him and the president are pretty close to Levin’s salary.

    • Replies: @education realist
    @Anon

    He's not a teacher. He's the CFO. Google him.

  51. Painful to learn you are merely elite and not an actual master of the universe, ain’t it?

  52. @Nodwink
    Bari Weiss spent most of her college years trying to cancel Palestinian activists on campus. I would be very suspicious of anything written by her; Weiss has a reputation for distortion, exaggeration, or straight out falsehoods.

    Replies: @Icy Blast, @PhysicistDave, @Danindc, @anonymous, @Jack D, @Paperback Writer, @Paperback Writer, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @AndrewR, @bomag, @Jilla, @R.G. Camara, @Colin Wright

    Of course she did. Her people are very tribal. She nailed this one though.

    Steve’s last point here is one of his best. So concise and so true.

  53. anonymous[174] • Disclaimer says:
    @Nodwink
    Bari Weiss spent most of her college years trying to cancel Palestinian activists on campus. I would be very suspicious of anything written by her; Weiss has a reputation for distortion, exaggeration, or straight out falsehoods.

    Replies: @Icy Blast, @PhysicistDave, @Danindc, @anonymous, @Jack D, @Paperback Writer, @Paperback Writer, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @AndrewR, @bomag, @Jilla, @R.G. Camara, @Colin Wright

    Congratulations you’ve parroted the spam tweets that leftists flood Bari Weiss with every time she points out some loony woke thing.

    Even if there is some truth to your accusation that Weiss spent “most of” college doing something, who cares? It was 20 years ago – maybe her views have evolved.

  54. @Almost Missouri


    “They are making my son feel like a racist because of the pigmentation of his skin,” one mother says. …

    ... They worry about losing their jobs or hurting their children if their opposition to this ideology were known.

    ... “Then you’ll be blacklisted from all the private schools and you’ll be known as a racist, which is worse than being called a murderer.” …

    “And he said: ‘Dude, that’s dangerous ground you’re on in our friendship.’ ”

    That fear is shared, deeply, by the children. ...“If you publish my name, it would ruin my life. People would attack me for even questioning this ideology.” ...“The kids are scared of other kids,” says one Harvard-Westlake mother.

    The atmosphere is making their children anxious, paranoid, and insecure—and closed off from even their close friends. “My son knew I was talking to you and he begged me not to,” another Harvard-Westlake mother told me. “... he told me that one bad statement from me will ruin us. This is the United States of America. Are you freaking kidding me?”
     

     
    Hey liberals! This is where your liberalism was always headed! Whether you supported the New Deal in the 1930s, "Civil Rights" in the 1960s, or political correctness in the 1990s, this is where it was always going. Welcome to the world you helped to build while you piously denounced those who correctly foresaw the fruits of your folly.

    Also, this is not yet the endpoint. Any chance you'll own your errors before the wheel of wokeness remorselessly crushes you as it crushed so many innocents before you to your zealous cheering?

    Now taking bets...

    Replies: @Jim Christian, @stillCARealist, @Forbes, @Buffalo Joe

    Stops being funny when it starts being you.

  55. @Anonymous
    @PhysicistDave

    I don't necessarily disagree with your broader point, but Mike Lindell is a terrible example. The man isn't your local barber who happens to have conservative opinions; he's a conservative pundit who happens to sell (not very good) pillows as part of his hustle. It is perfectly reasonable for BB&B to not want him associated with their brand.

    Replies: @fnn, @bomag, @Jack D, @Cloudbuster, @PhysicistDave

    I don’t know or care about the quality of the pillows, but denouncing Lindell as a “pundit” is pretty lame when every other company of consequence appears to support Woke (i.e., cultural Bolshevist) ideology. Lindell probably became a “pundit” because so few choose to speak out. Similarly, Ron Johnson spoke out in the US Senate because no other GOP Senator dared to say anything in opposition to the Democrat lies about the “armed insurrection” and “white supremacists” of the Jan. 6 walk in the Capitol.

  56. @Anonymous
    @PhysicistDave

    I don't necessarily disagree with your broader point, but Mike Lindell is a terrible example. The man isn't your local barber who happens to have conservative opinions; he's a conservative pundit who happens to sell (not very good) pillows as part of his hustle. It is perfectly reasonable for BB&B to not want him associated with their brand.

    Replies: @fnn, @bomag, @Jack D, @Cloudbuster, @PhysicistDave

    …he’s a conservative pundit who happens to sell (not very good) pillows as part of his hustle. It is perfectly reasonable for BB&B to not want him associated with their brand

    That’s a (typical) self-criticism we never see from the left.

  57. All this so the Great White Woke can keep THEIR White children away from blacks. That’s all it is. Scroom all. Let their White children get a taste of diversity and how it is our strength and glory. At Public Schools.

  58. @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Ben Kurtz

    It's not even clear how much the parents profiled in this article really care about the institutional status and integrity of their children's schools. What Weiss says they really care about -- and I agree with her -- is which institutions their children will be associated with on the next rung of the educational ladder, i.e. universities.

    Here are a few additional paragraphs from Weiss's article:


    The parents in this story are not parents with no other options. Most have the capital—social and literal—to pull their kids out and hire private tutors. That they weren’t speaking out seemed to me cowardly, or worse.

    The cynical answer for their silence is two words: Ivy League. “There are definitively rumors that the school has like, say, three picks for Duke and that if you stand up against this your kid will get blackballed,” says one mother.

    Another explanation is groupthink and social pressure. “Sometimes the smartest people are the easiest ones to fool,” says a father who recently moved his son from one school to another that he judges to be marginally better. “If you made a decision to go on the board of Dalton having espoused all these leftist views forever and you want your kid to get into Harvard, you are not going to stand up and say, ‘wait a second, guys.’ You’re just not going to do it. Most people want to be members of the club.”

    I think it’s true that many people would rather violate their stated principles than be iced out of their social network. But this is a situation that goes beyond getting shunted to a bad table at the Robin Hood gala. To resist this ideology is to go against the entire institutional world.
     
    Yes, Harvard-Westlake is no doubt nice, and its physical plant would take a lot of money to emulate. But trying to build an alternative to the Ivy League is essentially impossible, and these parents know it. With good reason -- at least from their perspective -- they want their kids to be admitted to the right universities. They'll put up with a lot of shit before they will jeopardize this.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Twinkie, @YetAnotherAnon, @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Hibernian, @Forbes, @Patrick McNally, @Achmed E. Newman, @anon

    One does not need the opulent physical trappings of a Harvard-Westlake to impart a sound education and/or foster the “right social connections” for their offspring. These trendy parents could establish an alternate “arrogantly shabby” sort of campus, if they had any agency at all. As for the “right universities” there’s also a lot of housecleaning and re-thinking that needs doing there.

  59. @Nodwink
    Bari Weiss spent most of her college years trying to cancel Palestinian activists on campus. I would be very suspicious of anything written by her; Weiss has a reputation for distortion, exaggeration, or straight out falsehoods.

    Replies: @Icy Blast, @PhysicistDave, @Danindc, @anonymous, @Jack D, @Paperback Writer, @Paperback Writer, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @AndrewR, @bomag, @Jilla, @R.G. Camara, @Colin Wright

    Even assuming your characterization of what she did in college is accurate (it isn’t), Bari Weiss is 36 years old so you are referring to things that she did 15 or more years ago.

    What Weiss really did was protest against the anti-Israel propaganda Arab professors at Columbia were feeding to their students. For example, when a Jewish student asked an Arab professor teaching an Arabic language class he was taking how to use the verb, ‘prevent,’ the professor wrote on the board, `Israel prevents ambulances from going into refugee camps.’

    In general, she fought against the fashionable anti-Semitism of the Left (which is sold under the guise of “anti-Zionism” but in fact is just thinly disguised anti-Semitism). And don’t give me any BS about how Arabs are Semites too – “anti-Semitism” is just a 19th century German euphemism for Jew-hate and has nothing to do with any Semitic people other than the Jews. Don’t make the mistake of thinking that just because these people hate Jews and you hate Jews too that these people are somehow your friends, because they aren’t. They don’t have anything good in mind for you either.

    • Agree: Lot
    • Disagree: R.G. Camara
    • Thanks: Chrisnonymous
    • Replies: @Sean
    @Jack D


    What Weiss really did was protest against the anti-Israel propaganda Arab professors at Columbia were feeding to their students.
     
    Plus ça change. Clearly, Bari has a rep among Jews as a doughty defender of her coreligionists from educational microaggressions. I think her informants are Jewish, and the teachers they are complaining about are not Jewish.
    , @AndrewR
    @Jack D

    Mon ami, someone doesn't have to be a friend to make a good ally. Jews are so hegemonic that it would be foolish to refuse to ally with anyone against them. When Palestine 🇵🇸 is even 20% as free and prosperous as Israel is, then we can talk about not allying with them.

    , @SFG
    @Jack D

    Someone needs to make a joke about a Pole, a Nazi, and a Jew walking into a bar. (Everything was fine until someone else in the bar needed to get some gas...work on it for me.)

    It's entirely possible for two groups to hate a third group and still be bitter enemies. (Look at the Middle East!) I think most of the people here are under less threat from Bari Weiss than they are from Ibram Kendi at this particular juncture-- more wars for Israel are unlikely at this point in time, and anyway we have an all-volunteer force so you could just tell your kids to stay out of the army--but the neocon betrayal was pretty bad so I don't blame people for being suspicious.

    Not that you'd ever trust her (in general almost any famous person is obsessed with power and status and constantly trying to aggrandize themselves, just like almost any famous scientist is obsessed with their field), but I think enough of the elites are starting to get threatened you might see enough indecision among the commanding heights to substantially weaken or repeal affirmative action laws with the next Republican government. I wouldn't trust Bari Weiss herself in a coalition. I mean, you'd have to keep her on a tight leash...OK, never mind, I'll see myself out.

    Replies: @Thomas, @Single malt

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Jack D

    Thanks for the "Let's you and him fight" pep-talk.

    Weiss's whole career has been built on being an enthusiastic neo-con stooge.

    https://theintercept.com/2017/08/31/nyts-newest-op-ed-hire-bari-weiss-embodies-its-worst-failings-and-its-lack-of-viewpoint-diversity/

    She's an advocate for her people. Why should I and my people give a damn what she thinks?

    , @International Jew
    @Jack D

    My sense is that Bari Weiss' words are resonating with a lot of liberal Jews.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @Jack D

    What about anti-White propaganda? Did "Bari Weiss" fight against that?

    People like her are fairweather friends. They're turning anti-Woke not because they have a problem with the basic social order of the last few decades, but because they just want to dial back the intensity by a notch. They support the new world order, but they don't want to see themselves and friends&family have to endure suffering to achieve it.

    , @Anonymous
    @Jack D

    TBF that is a handy Arabic phrase to know.

    , @tommytomtom
    @Jack D

    I really don't understand why conservative anti-Semites hate Israel so much. If you don't like Jews so much, why not let them have their own country away from you?

    Replies: @peterike, @Jack D, @nebulafox

    , @ATBOTL
    @Jack D


    And don’t give me any BS about how Arabs are Semites too – “anti-Semitism” is just a 19th century German euphemism for Jew-hate and has nothing to do with any Semitic people other than the Jews.
     
    That claim couldn't be more dead wrong. You as an Ashkenazi Jew are a partial racial Semite, related to Arabs. Accept reality. Arabs are your blood brothers. When we Europeans see your people in the flesh, we see the Arab features in your faces. The things about Jews that non-Jews dislike are all things that Arabs are also well known for: Greed, lying, clannishness,, fanaticism, interpersonal aggression, sexual aggression towards out group women etc.

    It's all the same Semitic behavioral pattern.

    Replies: @Lot

  60. Wokeness appeals to people who are meaner, stupider, uglier, and less fair-minded than their peers, but we have a culture in which nobody is allowed to point that out and remain in polite society

    Steve left “fatter” off the list.

    So the Woke are using their vices to take over rich institutions.

    Including the federal bureaucracy, the court system, the congress, the White House, the US military, museums, opera companies, and private foundations. I like to call it systemic griftism.

    If you are rich, whatever you do, do not create a private foundation to leave all your money to. Just make a big pile of you cash like the Joker and burn it.

  61. This will continue and continue and continue until there’s nothing left of the white race but an unrecognizable elite interbreeding with other elites until there’s nothing that can be called white anymore.

    Why? Because white people are not willing to let go of the idea of equality. It’s not just an Achilles heel, it’s two Achilles legs and arms and an Achilles head. It’s a article of belief of such holiness that we would rather dissolve as a people and become a curiosity to Chinese historiographers rather than violate it.

    To get out of this death spiral, we have to say the most horrible, terrible, repugnant thing there is, namely “those people are inferior to us”, and be comfortable with it. Otherwise, any situation in which a group of non-whites don’t do as well as whites can only be a result of dirty work on our part. Any argument that you may come up with can be reduced by your opponent to “oh so you think that are inferior to you?”, upon which you start tying yourself in knots to prove that no that’s definitely no what you mean, in fact you believe in equality even more than anybody else. The conversation is then over, you’ve turned it into a philosophical disagreement about whether an evident unfairness should be allowed to exist or not, to which the answer is obvious, and things keep on getting worse and worse.

    So yeah we’re screwed. I believe that it’s in our genes, that only thinky nerds like us can override it for a while on a dry intellectual level which has bearing on real life.

    • Agree: William Badwhite
    • Replies: @anonymous
    @kihowi


    To get out of this death spiral, we have to say the most horrible, terrible, repugnant thing there is, namely “those people are inferior to us”, and be comfortable with it.
     
    No you don’t. You don’t have to be insulting or hamfisted.

    You could instead say that different populations are different, or that there is diversity. And you could probably find an even better way to persuade. Ask yourself, what would Jack D say?
  62. … rich parents at super elite private schools like Harvard-Westlake in the Hollywood Hills are surreptitiously aghast at how Woke their children’s expensive educations have become:

    Mmmwhaaahaaaaa!! Oww! [It hurts to keep biting your pinky like that..]

    .

    OK, I did read the rest, but not the comments yet. Very enjoyable, I must say.

  63. @Twinkie
    @The Last Real Calvinist


    But trying to build an alternative to the Ivy League is essentially impossible, and these parents know it. With good reason — at least from their perspective — they want their kids to be admitted to the right universities. They’ll put up with a lot of shit before they will jeopardize this.
     
    The solution is not to build an alternative to the Ivy League. The solution is to let the Ivy League destroy itself with its own medicine* (and I write this as a totally disgusted alumnus of the Ivies - seriously, to borrow from Michael Brown's father, "Burn this bitch down!").

    I say all of us should pressure the Ivy League to take more and more "underrepresented minorities." 25% isn't enough. It should be 50%. No, better yet, blacks and Hispanics should be 75% of the student bodies (the rest being underachieving, lazy scions of privileged Jews per Ron Unz's "American Meritocracy"). The Ivies should be shamed into taking more of them until they are completely packed with students who can't hack it in real life.

    *It's really too bad that Trump doesn't have the control of the Justice Department anymore - when Yale was self-flagellating and virtue-signaling about its own racism, it was really brilliant to say, "Oh, really? Did you know that that's against the law and we must investigate you now?"

    Replies: @anon, @Peter Akuleyev, @Jack D, @Hermes, @RegretLeft

    This is what the Communist revolutionaries used to call “increasing the contradictions”. It’s really not a good idea. If your car is not running well, the solution is to find out what is wrong with it and try to fix it, not to set the car on fire.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @Jack D

    I'm not sure Harvard being full of idiots is quite as disastrous, though.

    The challenge would be to accumulate wealth and power in alternate networks that don't depend on Harvard and the bicoastal system. At some point you will have Republican control of Congress again. Use antitrust on Silicon Valley and Hollywood. After all, Amazon and Ebay not carrying old Dr. Seuss books wouldn't be an issue if there were hundreds of booksellers. If Apple dumped Parler but there were tens of smartphone networks, who would care? Investigate Harvard and Yale for the racism they're virtue-signallingly saying they're full of (Trump tried to do this but it was too late in his term). Everyone hates having Woke people tell them what to do just like everyone hated having Christian people tell them what to do in the Sixties. They're the Man now, dog. And everyone hates the Man.

    (Really, the LGBTQ Genderperson, but then I couldn't make the old-internet joke.)

    Replies: @Whiskey

    , @kaganovitch
    @Jack D

    If your car is not running well, the solution is to find out what is wrong with it and try to fix it, not to set the car on fire.

    But Yale is not your car, it is the car that your enemy is driving trying to run you over in the street.

    Replies: @tommytomtom

    , @Barnard
    @Jack D

    You seriously think these institutions can be reformed? What would that process look like? To stick with your analogy, if your car is not running well and is beyond worth being repaired, you take to the junkyard and get a different one. You don't keep driving it hoping some magical fix will happen. The only way forward is with new elites, crushing the Ivy League networking control of power is the best hope of that happening.

    , @nebulafox
    @Jack D

    You aren't increasing contradictions for society as a whole. You are increasing the contradictions on what is increasingly a cancer on that society. If you want to change the culture back to one that prioritizes building over seeking the approval of abstract authority, letting the pinnacle of credentialism turn itself into a self-parodying farce that fewer respect is a good start.

    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Jack D

    But it's not my car and never will be even if I had the chops to get in.

    The Ivies are the car of Jews and their asshole White minions. Let them burn.

  64. @Anonymous
    @PhysicistDave

    I don't necessarily disagree with your broader point, but Mike Lindell is a terrible example. The man isn't your local barber who happens to have conservative opinions; he's a conservative pundit who happens to sell (not very good) pillows as part of his hustle. It is perfectly reasonable for BB&B to not want him associated with their brand.

    Replies: @fnn, @bomag, @Jack D, @Cloudbuster, @PhysicistDave

    BB&B wanted him associated with their brand for many years until the final frenzy of anti-Trumpism. You may not think that the pillows are very good but apparently people like them and buy them and this made BB&B a lot of money over the years. But when Lindell defended the EEEVIL Trump, they dropped him like a hot potato. I guess other business people should get the message that if you have conservative opinions you should keep them to yourself. Free speech in America is dead, at least for anyone who is not a Leftist.

    • Agree: Redman
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Jack D

    An American and a Russian meet in the year 2021.

    The Russian brags about how he has freedom of speech in his country. "I can criticize Russian government, even president, and no one arrest me or fire me from job."

    The American says: "So what? In America we can criticize the Russian government too without any negative consequences."

    Replies: @Jack D

  65. @PhysicistDave
    @Nodwink

    Nodwink wrote:


    Bari Weiss spent most of her college years trying to cancel Palestinian activists on campus. I would be very suspicious of anything written by her; Weiss has a reputation for distortion, exaggeration, or straight out falsehoods.
     
    Perhaps, but for many of us in California it rings true. We had one neighbor with whom we could freely discuss our opinions: alas, she passed away right before Christmas (in her mid-nineties). My kid at UCLA can talk freely with a handful of the other engineering majors. Otherwise, she has to be careful.

    It's reaching the point that you send little signals that maybe you are not really PC to sound people out, and then if they respond, you can talk.

    Let me make clear: I'm not talking about alt-Right, white supremacists, etc. If you hold the views of JFK or even George McGovern... well, you better be careful.

    Replies: @RichardTaylor, @AndrewR, @Anonymous Jew, @R.G. Camara

    Sorry for your loss. She sounds like she was a cool old lady.

    May I ask why you remain in California? Lol. I can’t imagine living there in 2021. Take the money and run (assuming you own a house)

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @AndrewR

    AndrewR wrote to me:


    Sorry for your loss. She [our elderly neighbor who just passed away] sounds like she was a cool old lady.
     
    Most Americans used to be like her: no college degree, started work right after high school during WW II, raised her kids well -- they're about our age and we know all four of them. And she would be civil to people whether they agreed with her or disagreed.

    America used to be like that. I remember.

    Andrew also asked:

    May I ask why you remain in California?
     
    Well, our kids grew up here, we own a house, I've been out here for nearly five decades and my wife even longer.

    And the rest of the country tends to follow California. The USA needs to move beyond the current nonsense together.

    Replies: @RichardTaylor

  66. @PhysicistDave
    @anonymous

    Of course, the funniest thing on Tucker tonight was simply the clip of Joe Biden announcing that we're developing "maternity flight suits" for military pilots who are pregnant!

    My wife, who of course gave birth to our twins, found it hilarious that they think that women who are far enough in their pregnancy to need maternity flight suits should be flying military aircraft.

    Of course, putting hilarity aside, this is dangerous for both the woman and the baby.

    (A bit of googling shows that this goes back to the middle of last year, so I suppose we should ask why Trump did not stop this.)

    Replies: @Elmer T. Jones, @AndrewR

    I’m more concerned for our national security than about the safety of pregnant pilots and their babies. I’m not looking forward to being ruled by the Chinese so hopefully the Russians can pull a Hail Mary and take over the world. But even the Chinese would be preferable to the Jews and traitors who rule us now.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @AndrewR

    AndrewR wrote to me:


    I’m more concerned for our national security than about the safety of pregnant pilots and their babies. I’m not looking forward to being ruled by the Chinese so hopefully the Russians can pull a Hail Mary and take over the world.
     
    Well... the good news is that maybe if the military brass and the civilian leadership realize that they have turned our military into an ongoing therapy session/encounter group, they might knock off their "Invade the world!" nonsense.

    The bad news is that, if they don't, yeah, I may need to brush up on my Mandarin. I know a bit of Russian too: maybe I better brush up on both.
  67. @anonymous
    Yeah, I really feel sorry for those folks who can afford $40k yearly for school tuition. They are worried about shaming? How cowardly can people get? These people have become a decadent, spineless breed of jellyfish. To this mere peon it seems that with that sort of money one can write one's own ticket: private tutors, shopping around for a different school, etc. Enough of them could organize their own school were they desperate enough. They'll just have to forego the making connections and networking part. To think that Davy Crockett died at the Alamo so that a bunch of people who'll end up running things could be such cringing wimps.

    Replies: @Marquis, @Aardvark, @kaganovitch, @Paperback Writer, @Not Only Wrathful

    I agree. And Yglessis is right (broken clock, etc…).

    The complaining parents have their kids there for the connections, despite their protestations that they needed none to get where they’re at. But if they don’t like the actual education, they have plenty of great options at 40k per year.

    This blog still believes in IQ right? The actual teachers and school matter little so long as they’re competent, which any school charging 40k should meet that minimum threshold.

    If you want your kids to cozy up to today’s elite, learning to cite the new Marxist playbook is a requirement.

    • Agree: Abe
  68. @Nodwink
    Bari Weiss spent most of her college years trying to cancel Palestinian activists on campus. I would be very suspicious of anything written by her; Weiss has a reputation for distortion, exaggeration, or straight out falsehoods.

    Replies: @Icy Blast, @PhysicistDave, @Danindc, @anonymous, @Jack D, @Paperback Writer, @Paperback Writer, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @AndrewR, @bomag, @Jilla, @R.G. Camara, @Colin Wright

    What does that have to do with the factual nature of this article?

  69. @Nodwink
    Bari Weiss spent most of her college years trying to cancel Palestinian activists on campus. I would be very suspicious of anything written by her; Weiss has a reputation for distortion, exaggeration, or straight out falsehoods.

    Replies: @Icy Blast, @PhysicistDave, @Danindc, @anonymous, @Jack D, @Paperback Writer, @Paperback Writer, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @AndrewR, @bomag, @Jilla, @R.G. Camara, @Colin Wright

    Weiss criticized one Joseph Massad, which inspired the now-disgraced Anthony Weiner to call upon Columbia to fire him. He’s got tenure, so that wouldn’t happen. It was a politician making political hay out of a hot topic, and since when has that happened? Since forever.

    And even if Weiss were as much of a creep as you make her out to be, it wouldn’t affect whether she is telling the truth about wokeness now. She isn’t telling the half of it.

    • Replies: @guest007
    @Paperback Writer

    Remember, just because some one is tenured does not mean the university has to keep paying them a salary.

  70. Anonymous[138] • Disclaimer says:

    I am someone who reads iSteve regularly and has my kids in one of the schools in Weiss’s article.

    The lever these schools have is college admissions. It is much, much more realistic to get into a top 10 college from one of these schools. The reason the parents don’t revolt is that: (1) the retaliation from the school administration would threaten our kids’ college chances, which hang on a knife’s edge almost no matter who you are, (2) college admissions committees are populated by people who want to see this woke nonsense, and (3) recognizing this, many of the other parents would turn against you (and their kids would turn against your kids) if you step out of line. (2) is important because it creates a more stable foundation for this kind of thing.

    Of course, this raises the question of ‘Why do you give a crap whether or not your kid gets into Stanford or wherever?’ Because those schools control (not deterministically, but strongly statistically influence) what kind of job your kid will have, where they will live, where they get into grad school, who is willing to date them, who they marry etc.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Anonymous


    It is much, much more realistic to get into a top 10 college from one of these schools.
     
    You don't say. According to this college admissions data guest007 posted earlier:
    https://www.hw.com/about/HW-at-a-Glance/Matriculation

    Out of a graduating class of around 218 kids, on average Harvard-Westlake sends 58 kids to the Top 10 in each of the last 5 years, broken down as follows:

    Harvard: 9
    Cornell: 8
    Penn: 7.8
    Stanford: 7
    Brown: 6.4
    Columbia: 5.8
    Yale: 4.6
    Dartmouth: 4
    Princeton: 3.8
    MIT: 1.8

    Total: 58.2, that's 26.7% of the graduating class going on to a top ten.

    In comparison, a good year for our highly touted local public high school means out of a graduating class of 525, we get: 2 to Yale/Princeton, 1 to Stanford, 1 to MIT, 0 to Harvard, 2 to Cornell, 1 to Columbia, Penn, Brown or Dartmouth, or 7/525, 1.3%.

    Replies: @houston 1992, @The Last Real Calvinist

  71. @Jack D
    @Nodwink

    Even assuming your characterization of what she did in college is accurate (it isn't), Bari Weiss is 36 years old so you are referring to things that she did 15 or more years ago.

    What Weiss really did was protest against the anti-Israel propaganda Arab professors at Columbia were feeding to their students. For example, when a Jewish student asked an Arab professor teaching an Arabic language class he was taking how to use the verb, 'prevent,' the professor wrote on the board, `Israel prevents ambulances from going into refugee camps.'

    In general, she fought against the fashionable anti-Semitism of the Left (which is sold under the guise of "anti-Zionism" but in fact is just thinly disguised anti-Semitism). And don't give me any BS about how Arabs are Semites too - "anti-Semitism" is just a 19th century German euphemism for Jew-hate and has nothing to do with any Semitic people other than the Jews. Don't make the mistake of thinking that just because these people hate Jews and you hate Jews too that these people are somehow your friends, because they aren't. They don't have anything good in mind for you either.

    Replies: @Sean, @AndrewR, @SFG, @Mr. Anon, @International Jew, @JohnnyWalker123, @Anonymous, @tommytomtom, @ATBOTL

    What Weiss really did was protest against the anti-Israel propaganda Arab professors at Columbia were feeding to their students.

    Plus ça change. Clearly, Bari has a rep among Jews as a doughty defender of her coreligionists from educational microaggressions. I think her informants are Jewish, and the teachers they are complaining about are not Jewish.

    • LOL: Lot
  72. This is Yuri Bezmenov, a trained Soviet propagandist who defected in the Seventies. He explains the whole process by which Americans are to be demoralized and defeated. There are too many useful quotes to type them all out.

    This interview took place in 1985, and it accurately forecasts our current era, in which the process of subverting American values has come to fruition.

    at 1:30 “ideological subversion, or active measures… what it basically means is to change the perception of reality of every American to such an extent that despite the abundance of information, no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interest of defending themselves, their family, their community and their country.”

    1:50 “It takes between 15 and 20 years to demoralize a nation… Marxism/Leninism is pumped into the soft heads of generations of American students without being challenged by the basic values of American patriotism… these half-baked intellectuals now occupy the positions of power in the government civil service, mass media, educational system. You are stuck with them. They are contaminated. You cannot change their minds even if you expose them to authentic information. This is irreversible. To get rid of these people you would need another 20 years to create a new generation of patriotically minded common sense people.”

    • Thanks: Calvin Hobbes
    • Replies: @Dacian Julien Soros
    @Anon7

    According to https://www.unz.com/akarlin/based-bezmenov/ , Bezmenov was a grifter whose first attempt to write what the paymaster expects was in USSR, where he complained that USSR forbade him fornicate with a Indian woman. His first "free" writings in US were still about systemic racism in USSR. Only later, he moved on to muh holodmor.

  73. @Ben Kurtz
    Matt Yglesias' comment ('why not just build your own
    private school, hurr durr) reminds me of the long-forgotton distinction between businesses and institutions. Businesses come and go; you can take them or leave them. Only the owners and employees are all that deeply invested. But institutions, sometimes, are things that are worth fighting for, even if you have had no specially large role in them. Because they serve a greater good; or they stand at the hub of a community; or they are particularly hard to replace.

    Institutional status isn't strictly confined to public versus private ownership or non-profit versus for-profit status. Schools -- public or private -- are institutions. Churches and synagogues too. Banks are financial institutions -- says so right in the name. So is the county courthouse and the state mental asylum; in their heyday the railroads were institutions and so was the Post Office, but those slid (or are sliding) into mere business status as technology and evolving lifestyles make them less central to our lives.

    I'll turn my back on Target and Starbucks with barely a second thought -- their repellent habits of injecting absurd ideology into their business routines deserves nothing but scorn, and there are plenty of other shops in this world. But I actually volunteer my time to certain of my local institutions because I want to help them succeed and remain dedicated to honest and wholesome values.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Paperback Writer, @Art Deco, @clifford brown

    I often wonder why I come here – it’s comments like this that make this blog worth reading.

    Your point illuminates why I feel such personal pain over the great cultural institutions of my own city bowing to wokeness, even if I rarely buy a ticket (too much money, as you age it’s a pain to haul myself to a theater, etc. even before Covid) – because these institutions were formative in my intellectual and emotional life. So when they go down the tubes it hurts.

    May I suggest that “Hollywood” is an institution, even though it’s not exactly what you’re referring to, and it hurts to see it taken over and destroyed by wokeness? I haven’t seen many movies in recent years. I hate superhero movies. But when I read that Star Wars has been slimed by wokeness, there’s a pain that is inexplicable. You explained it.

  74. @PhysicistDave
    Sailer asked:

    Why do the Woke get away with their piracy so often?
     
    I think the reason is simple: they are willing to band together to ostracize, boycott, or cancel anyone who does not get with the program, whereas most ordinary, decent Americans are repelled by this sort of lynch mob behavior.

    Why isn't Tucker or Hannity or Trump organizing a boycott of Bed, Bath, and Beyond for kicking out Mike Lindell's products?

    Because that just doesn't "feel right" to most of us. We want to live in a country in which people are not penalized financially or career-wise for their political or religious opinions. I don't ask my barber or my plumber what his political views are and then reject him if they are different from mine.

    We think this is a great achievement that America works this way.

    Except it no longer does.

    We might not have the luxury of thinking this way any longer.

    Personally, I hate it: I do not want to carefully vet either the businesses I patronize or my friends or neighbors based on their political opinions.

    But we may have no choice.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Squid, @SimplePseudonymicHandle, @Achmed E. Newman, @Desiderius, @nebulafox, @JimB, @JohnnyWalker123, @vinteuil, @Kylie

    Because the right creates media – The Federalist, Unz, The Daily Show – and talks about it.

    Anything, anything at all, but organize.

    The Woke put their money where their mouth is. They do that One,Thing , right, and it turns out to be most of what you have to do.

  75. Boo freaking hoo. Enjoy the world you created you rich twats.

    If a 500 acre campus in holmby hills or whatever is worth more to you than the values imparted to your children I don’t feel sorry for you.

  76. @Anonymous
    @PhysicistDave

    I don't necessarily disagree with your broader point, but Mike Lindell is a terrible example. The man isn't your local barber who happens to have conservative opinions; he's a conservative pundit who happens to sell (not very good) pillows as part of his hustle. It is perfectly reasonable for BB&B to not want him associated with their brand.

    Replies: @fnn, @bomag, @Jack D, @Cloudbuster, @PhysicistDave

    How nice of you to provide a perfect example of the mentality behind cancel culture.

  77. @anonymous
    Yeah, I really feel sorry for those folks who can afford $40k yearly for school tuition. They are worried about shaming? How cowardly can people get? These people have become a decadent, spineless breed of jellyfish. To this mere peon it seems that with that sort of money one can write one's own ticket: private tutors, shopping around for a different school, etc. Enough of them could organize their own school were they desperate enough. They'll just have to forego the making connections and networking part. To think that Davy Crockett died at the Alamo so that a bunch of people who'll end up running things could be such cringing wimps.

    Replies: @Marquis, @Aardvark, @kaganovitch, @Paperback Writer, @Not Only Wrathful

    If the parents don’t want their school doing these things, why haven’t the parents showed up at a board meeting with pitchforks and made it clear one of two things could happen if this nonsense doesn’t stop immediately; you get aerated or our money goes elsewhere?

    • Replies: @anon
    @Aardvark

    why haven’t the parents

    Because life isn't a Hallmark channel goodfeelze movie.

  78. Anon[157] • Disclaimer says:

    Woe betide the working-class kid who arrives in college and uses Latino instead of “Latinx,” or who stumbles conjugating verbs because a classmate prefers to use the pronouns they/them.

    Stumbling over conjugations? Nobody would have trouble with conjugation when using “they.” Is she saying that the correct way to speak is to use a plural verb even with a name, such as “Mike are in the hallway”?

    Why do I have a feeling this guy outed himself:

    He sounds like a Scientology defector, but he is a math teacher at one of the most elite high schools in New York City. He is not politically conservative. “I studied critical theory; I saw Derrida speak when I was in college,” he says, “so when this ideology arrived at our school over the past few years, I recognized the language and I knew what it was.

    Math teacher who saw Derrida speak in person: He must have mentioned that to someone at his school at some point. How many high school teachers saw Derrida in person?

  79. I like how Fatglesias took off the mask profile pic for a month but has chosen to replace it with another masked image. Is the masking phenomenon just a way for ugly people to hide their ugliness?

    • Agree: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    @zacie

    Masks have certainly hidden my scruffy, unshaven face over the months, quite aside from all my ugly.

  80. @El Dato

    Matthew Yglesias wonders why the free market isn’t solving this problem
     
    I rather think he wonders whether people shouldn't just go to public schools, which they pay for anyway?

    Anway, people who put a photo of their masked mug into that roundel on Blue Social Meedja are sub-par. Use a nice pic of USB-connected NPC man or something.

    OT:

    In (((Our Democracy))) you must not insult troops of Kamerad Röhm:

    Mumford & Sons banjo player apologizes for endorsing Andy Ngo book, critical of Antifa, ‘takes time’ off the band amid backlash

    Hounded by a mob of enraged netizens [who? fellow UK artists Sleaford Mods for one], [UK band] Mumford & Sons banjo player Winston Marshall has retracted an endorsement of conservative journalist Andy Ngo’s book on Antifa, drawing accusations of caving in to “bullies.”

    “Over the past few days I have come to better understand the pain caused by the book I endorsed,” the British musician wrote in a tweet on Tuesday night. “I have offended not only a lot of people I don’t know, but also those closest to me, including my bandmates and for that I am truly sorry. As a result of my actions I am taking time away from the band to examine my blindspots… Please know that I realize how my endorsements have the potential to be viewed as approvals of hateful, divisive behavior.”
     
    And you should be, Herr Marshall. Know who the good guys are.

    Replies: @Roderick Spode, @Peter Akuleyev, @Tex, @AndrewR

    In (((Our Democracy))) you must not insult troops of Kamerad Röhm:

    Technically, that’s Kamerad Thalmann, a contemporary of the other Ernst. One of his goons, Erich Mielke, parlayed the ambush murder of two Berlin police officers into a job as a founder and director of the Stasi.

  81. “Why should I care about these people?”

    If you mean why should I have any sympathy for their suffering… you shouldn’t. They’re rich and privileged and if they have to go to NYU instead of Harvard the connections will make up the difference. If they get colon cancer you shouldn’t feel guilty making ‘new asshole’ jokes.

    If you mean why should I have any interest in the outcome of this… you should. They’re rich and privileged and revolts among elites (as Steve has said) can have substantial effects downstream. Neocons (parenthesized or otherwise) are going to be a lot more sympathetic to attempts to dismantle affirmative action (particularly because their own kids’ hides are on the line) than Wokists. They’re venal and selfish…of course they are, that’s how they got where they were (along with nepotism, ethnic nepotism, and the hard work of their grandparents).

    Also, the more rich and powerful people who get uneasy with the left, the easier it will be to tip the balance of power back in a desirable direction. You don’t have to like them. Politics has always made strange bedfellows. Revolutions are usually accompanied by ideological lack of resolve on the elites’ part (look at the French one, where Enlightenment ideas were popular in salons, or the Russian one, where late Czarist intellectuals were constantly denouncing the Czarist system). You want to weaken and divide them.

    Just make it pretty clear this country is not going into any more wars on Israel’s behalf. Not so explicitly…’end to endless war’ and the like. Heck, you’ve got Soros and Koch both contributing to Quincy…I suspect the age of American hegemony is over.

    • Agree: RichardTaylor
    • Thanks: Abe
    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
    @SFG


    I suspect the age of American hegemony is over.
     
    We're a huge continental power, protected by two oceans, with weak nations to the north and sough. We're energy and food independent.

    We have 6,000 nuclear warheads and the world's largest military by far. We're totally safe at home and can lean on anybody we need to.

    The net assets of the USA are something like $120 trillion. We have decades before anything like a "collapse" could happen. We also have the most advanced science and technical research facilities on earth.

    My guess is the USA will be the most powerful country on earth in the 2,100 AD. China may have a much larger economy, but it will dependent on us for innovation. The Chinese are good at copying us, like the Japanese (but not as good)

    Also, China is surrounded by major powers that are hostile to it (such as Japan that colonized it not so long ago). The Chinese have never, in 2,000 years, attacked even India which ain't that far away. Genes and culture matter. They aren't cut out for it. Neither are the Indians.

    God knows Latin America will always be 3rd tier due to race-mixing over the centuries, pushed by the "God loves all and we can all be Catholics" worldview. And Africa? They ain't kicking nobody's ass.

    So, just playing the cold odds, we're still be the best bet for number one in 2100.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @clifford brown, @neutral

    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @SFG


    Just make it pretty clear this country is not going into any more wars on Israel’s behalf.
     
    Exactly. I have no problem allying my people with other groups when our interests align. However, it's vital for all sides to understand who are the tribes involved, what we hope to gain and what we want long-term.

    The main problem is that others groups are so used to Whites never thinking of themselves as a group and never acting as a group that they get a bit ruffled when we try. You see that here in the comments.

    For example, I'm fine working with colorblind CivNats to fight against affirmative action that discriminates against Whites. But they should realize that I'm perfectly fine with ethnic discrimination as long as it's in my group's favor, but I'll settle for no discrimination against any group if that's the best deal I can get.. (Actually, I'd prefer an ethno-state where it's unnecessary, but if I live in a multi-racial country, I want what's best for my people.)

    The Ideological Age is ending. The Demographic Age is upon us. It's tribal, bitches!

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @SFG

    A lot of good points.

    Perhaps we are seeing the beginning of a struggle between ultra-rich Jews and semi-affluent Jews. The latter, having more limited resources and still having to compete in the economy, perceive the "Woke" to be a threat to their children's futures. So they may form a temporary alliance of convenience with the right. Sort of how a lot of them threw their support behind Giuliani during the 90s.

  82. @Jack D
    @Nodwink

    Even assuming your characterization of what she did in college is accurate (it isn't), Bari Weiss is 36 years old so you are referring to things that she did 15 or more years ago.

    What Weiss really did was protest against the anti-Israel propaganda Arab professors at Columbia were feeding to their students. For example, when a Jewish student asked an Arab professor teaching an Arabic language class he was taking how to use the verb, 'prevent,' the professor wrote on the board, `Israel prevents ambulances from going into refugee camps.'

    In general, she fought against the fashionable anti-Semitism of the Left (which is sold under the guise of "anti-Zionism" but in fact is just thinly disguised anti-Semitism). And don't give me any BS about how Arabs are Semites too - "anti-Semitism" is just a 19th century German euphemism for Jew-hate and has nothing to do with any Semitic people other than the Jews. Don't make the mistake of thinking that just because these people hate Jews and you hate Jews too that these people are somehow your friends, because they aren't. They don't have anything good in mind for you either.

    Replies: @Sean, @AndrewR, @SFG, @Mr. Anon, @International Jew, @JohnnyWalker123, @Anonymous, @tommytomtom, @ATBOTL

    Mon ami, someone doesn’t have to be a friend to make a good ally. Jews are so hegemonic that it would be foolish to refuse to ally with anyone against them. When Palestine 🇵🇸 is even 20% as free and prosperous as Israel is, then we can talk about not allying with them.

  83. Here’s a tweet today from Steven King:

    “It’s nice to have a president who isn’t angry and hateful 24/7.”

    You simply cannot reason with these people. If you tell them the truth, and say “No, what you really mean is that it’s nice to have the media stop presenting the President as angry and hateful 24/7“, what choices do they have?

    They can experience uncomfortable cognitive dissonance as they realize they’ve been bamboozled for the last five years, and then embarrassment as they fully realize their error, or they can just shout “Racist! White supremacist!” at you and feel better about themselves.

    Yuri Bezmenov is right; these people are contaminated and we are stuck with them.

  84. @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    This is what the Communist revolutionaries used to call "increasing the contradictions". It's really not a good idea. If your car is not running well, the solution is to find out what is wrong with it and try to fix it, not to set the car on fire.

    Replies: @SFG, @kaganovitch, @Barnard, @nebulafox, @Citizen of a Silly Country

    I’m not sure Harvard being full of idiots is quite as disastrous, though.

    The challenge would be to accumulate wealth and power in alternate networks that don’t depend on Harvard and the bicoastal system. At some point you will have Republican control of Congress again. Use antitrust on Silicon Valley and Hollywood. After all, Amazon and Ebay not carrying old Dr. Seuss books wouldn’t be an issue if there were hundreds of booksellers. If Apple dumped Parler but there were tens of smartphone networks, who would care? Investigate Harvard and Yale for the racism they’re virtue-signallingly saying they’re full of (Trump tried to do this but it was too late in his term). Everyone hates having Woke people tell them what to do just like everyone hated having Christian people tell them what to do in the Sixties. They’re the Man now, dog. And everyone hates the Man.

    (Really, the LGBTQ Genderperson, but then I couldn’t make the old-internet joke.)

    • Agree: Abe
    • Replies: @Whiskey
    @SFG

    Good Lord, Republican control of Congress again?

    Have you not been paying attention?

    1. Pretty much 90% of Republicans are just Democrats. See, Mitch McConnell.
    2. The new bills and Executive Orders will make every election 100% fraudulent right down to the ballot harvesting by the Urban League and such.
    3. A zillion new states and open borders and voting by illegals makes Democrat control 100% permanent.

    No Republican Congress, or Senate, or President will EVER happen again in our lifetimes. Not ever. It was one vote, one time, forever. Consider the Democrats the PRI and their rule likely for over 100 years.

    If that actually means anything or not is still an open question. We could be just like Greater Venezuela or Columbia under Pablo Escobar. I'd say the odds of that are high.

    And what Steve fails to recognize is the nature of Woke. Woke did not take over from everyone everywhere because it appealed only to weak and ugly people.

    Rather, it appealed to the natural enmity and hatred of White women towards their men, and the constant allying of White women and non-Whites against their mutual enemy: White men.

    Crushing White boys in Harvard-Westlake means crushing the competition for admission to big Harvard. Or Yale. Or Stanford. Harvard's classes are soon to be nearly all non-White with some White women. What do Admissions people care about donations? Or future ones? It makes no difference to them. Or to Harvard. Harvard has so much money they can feed the natural, eternal, complete enmity White women feel towards their men who are too nice, decent, and boring.

    Of course, nothing bad could ever happen with a whole group of young White men being aced out of their expected positions by a combination of female White grinds who are joyless scolds and Young Jeezy and Pop Smoke. No, nothing could ever happen there.

    Its a bit odd to see the Warrior class like SEALs, Delta, etc. below some fat woman of Color but there you go. How sustainable that is against not just Xi and Vladimir but various narcos remains to be seen.

    Replies: @Neoconned

  85. @Jack D
    @Nodwink

    Even assuming your characterization of what she did in college is accurate (it isn't), Bari Weiss is 36 years old so you are referring to things that she did 15 or more years ago.

    What Weiss really did was protest against the anti-Israel propaganda Arab professors at Columbia were feeding to their students. For example, when a Jewish student asked an Arab professor teaching an Arabic language class he was taking how to use the verb, 'prevent,' the professor wrote on the board, `Israel prevents ambulances from going into refugee camps.'

    In general, she fought against the fashionable anti-Semitism of the Left (which is sold under the guise of "anti-Zionism" but in fact is just thinly disguised anti-Semitism). And don't give me any BS about how Arabs are Semites too - "anti-Semitism" is just a 19th century German euphemism for Jew-hate and has nothing to do with any Semitic people other than the Jews. Don't make the mistake of thinking that just because these people hate Jews and you hate Jews too that these people are somehow your friends, because they aren't. They don't have anything good in mind for you either.

    Replies: @Sean, @AndrewR, @SFG, @Mr. Anon, @International Jew, @JohnnyWalker123, @Anonymous, @tommytomtom, @ATBOTL

    Someone needs to make a joke about a Pole, a Nazi, and a Jew walking into a bar. (Everything was fine until someone else in the bar needed to get some gas…work on it for me.)

    It’s entirely possible for two groups to hate a third group and still be bitter enemies. (Look at the Middle East!) I think most of the people here are under less threat from Bari Weiss than they are from Ibram Kendi at this particular juncture– more wars for Israel are unlikely at this point in time, and anyway we have an all-volunteer force so you could just tell your kids to stay out of the army–but the neocon betrayal was pretty bad so I don’t blame people for being suspicious.

    Not that you’d ever trust her (in general almost any famous person is obsessed with power and status and constantly trying to aggrandize themselves, just like almost any famous scientist is obsessed with their field), but I think enough of the elites are starting to get threatened you might see enough indecision among the commanding heights to substantially weaken or repeal affirmative action laws with the next Republican government. I wouldn’t trust Bari Weiss herself in a coalition. I mean, you’d have to keep her on a tight leash…OK, never mind, I’ll see myself out.

    • Replies: @Thomas
    @SFG


    ...and anyway we have an all-volunteer force so you could just tell your kids to stay out of the army...
     
    They've got that worked out, how to get more cannon fodder once wokeness plus the status of goyim knowing makes the military too unattractive to whites to sustain the force: open borders and free citizenship to anyone who signs up. The Romans did it 2000 years ago.
    , @Single malt
    @SFG

    ...the bar tender is Italian. The Jew orders mineral water, the bar tender asks “with gas?”

  86. @Nodwink
    Bari Weiss spent most of her college years trying to cancel Palestinian activists on campus. I would be very suspicious of anything written by her; Weiss has a reputation for distortion, exaggeration, or straight out falsehoods.

    Replies: @Icy Blast, @PhysicistDave, @Danindc, @anonymous, @Jack D, @Paperback Writer, @Paperback Writer, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @AndrewR, @bomag, @Jilla, @R.G. Camara, @Colin Wright

    Weiss isn’t worried about Whites. She’s worried that the Woke movement might spill over toward the Jews.

  87. Guys, maybe if we can get Bari Weiss fully on our side things will really turn around. No, I’m being serious, I think this is a viable strategy that will totally work this time, and I think it’s worth pursuing.

  88. @RichardTaylor
    @PhysicistDave

    You and your children can express themselves freely among the White working and "lowah" classes with no problem. The opinions could be libertarian, liberal, socialist, or whatever, and their lives wouldn't be ruined.

    But among the "uppah class" Whites and the Sacred non-White immigrants, say the wrong thing and they hunt you down for the next 40 years.

    I point this out for those reading, not for you, because you'll never get the connection.

    But please, tell your kid to speak their truth about the Enlightenment, and how sweet reason trumps crude genetics. Please, do that, and encourage them to follow the spirt of Rousseau.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Reg Cæsar, @PhysicistDave

    Dave is an elitist. He has no loyalty or natural affinity to Whites, much less low IQ Whites who aren’t widely read or traveled. Dave’s loyalty and affinity are to faculty cocktail party goers of any race who can pull out that pithy quote at just the right time.

    Dave’s fine with POC taking over our lands, as long as they’re clever sillies such as himself. That his cousins are disenfranchised matters not to him. Dave married into a Chinese family (don’t know if his children are from that relationship) and lives in California. He has no people, only relationships.

    His colorblind CivNat routine is actually a ruse, even if he doesn’t know it. He’s using it to defend what he believes are his people, the high-IQ elite of various hues. (They are not his people because a people are bound by blood, culture and history. His relationships are bound only by culture, which isn’t enough.)

    White nationalism is abhorrent and threatening to Whites such as Dave (and, possibly, Steve). He’s turned his back on Whites as group (and, again, especially, those hillbilly Whites), so the last thing that he wants is Whites to band together and fight back against the multi-culti elite.

    HBD-aware is not pro-White.

    • Agree: RichardTaylor
    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Citizen of a Silly Country wrote about me:


    Dave is an elitist. He has no loyalty or natural affinity to Whites, much less low IQ Whites who aren’t widely read or traveled. Dave’s loyalty and affinity are to faculty cocktail party goers of any race who can pull out that pithy quote at just the right time.
     
    I do not think I have ever been to a "faculty cocktail party." That is the sort of activity I rigorously avoid. I do not drink alcoholic beverages and I do not suffer pompous overschooled fools kindly.

    You are, however, right that I have no loyalty to Whites.

    My loyalty is to my country, the United States of America, and to my fellow citizens, at least those among them who are engaged in honest productive activities and who wish to preserve and protect the Republic.

    For example, I have a cousin who works at a GM assembly plant, who struggled to get through school, but who is a decent guy with common sense. You can talk with him about subjects ranging from labor-management relations at his plant to major national policy issues: he is in much closer contact with reality than the members of the NYT Editorial Board.

    So, no, my loyalty is not to people whose level of education happens to match my own. It is to decent people of any social class and level of education.

    And, as to race, yes, I confess that I have more respect for Clarence Thomas, Michelle Malkin, and Thomas Sowell than for just about any Whites in the ruling elite. They want to save the Republic.

    Maybe you should consider the virtue of loyalty to your country and to your fellow citizens?

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

  89. @Almost Missouri


    “They are making my son feel like a racist because of the pigmentation of his skin,” one mother says. …

    ... They worry about losing their jobs or hurting their children if their opposition to this ideology were known.

    ... “Then you’ll be blacklisted from all the private schools and you’ll be known as a racist, which is worse than being called a murderer.” …

    “And he said: ‘Dude, that’s dangerous ground you’re on in our friendship.’ ”

    That fear is shared, deeply, by the children. ...“If you publish my name, it would ruin my life. People would attack me for even questioning this ideology.” ...“The kids are scared of other kids,” says one Harvard-Westlake mother.

    The atmosphere is making their children anxious, paranoid, and insecure—and closed off from even their close friends. “My son knew I was talking to you and he begged me not to,” another Harvard-Westlake mother told me. “... he told me that one bad statement from me will ruin us. This is the United States of America. Are you freaking kidding me?”
     

     
    Hey liberals! This is where your liberalism was always headed! Whether you supported the New Deal in the 1930s, "Civil Rights" in the 1960s, or political correctness in the 1990s, this is where it was always going. Welcome to the world you helped to build while you piously denounced those who correctly foresaw the fruits of your folly.

    Also, this is not yet the endpoint. Any chance you'll own your errors before the wheel of wokeness remorselessly crushes you as it crushed so many innocents before you to your zealous cheering?

    Now taking bets...

    Replies: @Jim Christian, @stillCARealist, @Forbes, @Buffalo Joe

    Thanks. It’s hard not to feel a little smug and condescending towards these elite-aspiring libs who have already embraced so much left wing fiction at the expense of other Americans.

  90. In a way, Yglesias is right – the only real path to avoiding this is to opt out and seek out other alternatives. Most bright kids are going to be all right regardless of where they go to high school, the hardest part is for the parents to give up on status associated with the school when socializing with their peers and have the cojones to say they simply made another choice.

    I personally have had the experience of sending my kids to one of the pricier K-8 schools in my city partly on the belief at the time that the education they would receive was better than anything else on offer and obviously part of the brand associated with it.

    After several years of increasingly woke administration as well as hating the day of the month when tuition was auto-deducted from my bank account, we made a change. They now go to a substantially less expensive parochial school, I am able to forthrightly say in conversation that their former schools is going off the rails politically and isn’t worth the money from multiple angles, and my kids are happier as well.

  91. I think most of the people here are under less threat from Bari Weiss than they are from Ibram Kendi

    There is no way the Ibram Kendis of the world could not have gotten to where they are without the Baris Weiss type of people.

    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    @neutral

    Disagree: I think you have Bari Weiss conflated with the standard-issue, 50th percentile liberal Jew who writes/wrote for the New York Times.

    She has a lot of silliness to answer for -- as does anyone who writes a column for any period of time -- but I don't see how she can be made to answer for Nat X.

    By contrast, Twitter's Jack Dorsey gave him (or, at least, his Antiracism Center at Boston University) a gazillion dollars; go blame Dorsey. When you see a university that hired an obvious midwit hustler -- one who makes Malcolm the Tenth look like Hegel by comparison -- and gave him tenure, blame that institution for abdicating its intellectual standards (or not having any in the first place).

  92. A point rarely talked about is who were the pioneers of all this victimhood culture. It seems to me Jewish activists have created this strategy and have used it to silence criticism for ages.

    “Racist”, “sexist”, “islamophobe” and “xenophobe” are used in the same way Jewish activists use “antisemite”.

    Twitter mobs go after people sending demanding letters and tweets to employers, TV stations, educational institutions, venue owners etc. to put pressure on them and drive them to fire, deplatform, etc the targets of their activism.

    This is what Jewish activists and organizations have been doing for ages, way before twitter existed. Suing “antisemites” and “holocaust deniers” to ruin them economically and destroy their reputations with smear campaigns with the help of books, articles in mainstream publications etc.

    CRT and BLM grifters are not suing and defaming “heretics” yet, but I think it would be a logical next step in this “J method” manual.

    Critical Race Theory has become the “oppressed POCs” equivalent to this bizarre theory of antisemitism plus holocaust, all in one, that most Jews believe to rationalize why there is criticism and feelings of hostility towards Jews. The reasons have never anything to do with the “victims” behavior.

    If anyone manifests any kind of skepticism, he becomes a “denier” and “antisemite” which is another word for “neonazi”. Basically an Orwellian “unperson”. Welcome to the bad guys team.

    Jews use the holocaust and pogroms, blacks and POCs use colonization and slavery as a “genocidal event” basis on which to build the victimhood narrative.

    All that begs the question, did blacks and other POCs start suddenly cloning Jewish activists’ MO? It is a pretty smart strategy if you ask me.

    • Agree: LondonBob
  93. @anonymous
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmCPQbk2448&ab_channel=Sena

    Tucker tonight ripped off your essay on noblesse oblige for his monologue. He took out any direct references to Jews. The segment even had Mark Steyn who is an honorable man and often credits you for ideas when he guest hosted Rush Limbaugh. https://www.unz.com/isteve/noblesse-oblige-in-21st-century/

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @Steve from Detroit, @AndrewR, @AnotherDad

    From 3:38 to 3:48, Tucker paraphrases on of Joe Sobran’s observations from many years ago:

    “A hypocritical etiquette forces us to pretend that the Jews are powerless victims; and if you don’t respect their victimhood, they’ll destroy you.”

  94. @SFG
    "Why should I care about these people?"

    If you mean why should I have any sympathy for their suffering... you shouldn't. They're rich and privileged and if they have to go to NYU instead of Harvard the connections will make up the difference. If they get colon cancer you shouldn't feel guilty making 'new asshole' jokes.

    If you mean why should I have any interest in the outcome of this... you should. They're rich and privileged and revolts among elites (as Steve has said) can have substantial effects downstream. Neocons (parenthesized or otherwise) are going to be a lot more sympathetic to attempts to dismantle affirmative action (particularly because their own kids' hides are on the line) than Wokists. They're venal and selfish...of course they are, that's how they got where they were (along with nepotism, ethnic nepotism, and the hard work of their grandparents).

    Also, the more rich and powerful people who get uneasy with the left, the easier it will be to tip the balance of power back in a desirable direction. You don't have to like them. Politics has always made strange bedfellows. Revolutions are usually accompanied by ideological lack of resolve on the elites' part (look at the French one, where Enlightenment ideas were popular in salons, or the Russian one, where late Czarist intellectuals were constantly denouncing the Czarist system). You want to weaken and divide them.

    Just make it pretty clear this country is not going into any more wars on Israel's behalf. Not so explicitly...'end to endless war' and the like. Heck, you've got Soros and Koch both contributing to Quincy...I suspect the age of American hegemony is over.

    Replies: @RichardTaylor, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @JohnnyWalker123

    I suspect the age of American hegemony is over.

    We’re a huge continental power, protected by two oceans, with weak nations to the north and sough. We’re energy and food independent.

    We have 6,000 nuclear warheads and the world’s largest military by far. We’re totally safe at home and can lean on anybody we need to.

    The net assets of the USA are something like $120 trillion. We have decades before anything like a “collapse” could happen. We also have the most advanced science and technical research facilities on earth.

    My guess is the USA will be the most powerful country on earth in the 2,100 AD. China may have a much larger economy, but it will dependent on us for innovation. The Chinese are good at copying us, like the Japanese (but not as good)

    Also, China is surrounded by major powers that are hostile to it (such as Japan that colonized it not so long ago). The Chinese have never, in 2,000 years, attacked even India which ain’t that far away. Genes and culture matter. They aren’t cut out for it. Neither are the Indians.

    God knows Latin America will always be 3rd tier due to race-mixing over the centuries, pushed by the “God loves all and we can all be Catholics” worldview. And Africa? They ain’t kicking nobody’s ass.

    So, just playing the cold odds, we’re still be the best bet for number one in 2100.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @RichardTaylor


    We have decades before anything like a “collapse” could happen.
     
    How many, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5?

    It's already happening.

    Replies: @RichardTaylor

    , @clifford brown
    @RichardTaylor


    So, just playing the cold odds, we’re still be the best bet for number one in 2100.
     
    Are you taking bets? Nations collapse like bankruptcies, slowly at first, then all at once. The US will be lucky to make it through the next decade in one piece. No way it is dominant by 2050.

    https://twitter.com/Morlock16758734/status/1351750674451722240

    The Chinese seizing Taiwan from under the nose of Sleepy Joe may expedite an imperial collapse on par with how with how the Russo-Japanese War impacted czarist Russia.

    How will The Federal Reserve and Wall Street react when they realize their vaunted military is no longer dominant? The Chinese have something to say about Interesting Times.

    Replies: @RichardTaylor, @Deckin

    , @neutral
    @RichardTaylor


    God knows Latin America will always be 3rd tier due to race-mixing
     
    Did you fail to notice what is happening in the USA?

    Replies: @Anonymous 1

  95. First, they are assumed to be the Good Guys and skeptics are the Bad Guys.

    Second, Wokeness appeals to people who are meaner, stupider, uglier, and less fair-minded than their peers, but we have a culture in which nobody is allowed to point that out and remain in polite society. So the Woke are using their vices to take over rich institutions.

    The ethnic interests of some groups have been deemed illegitimate for at least 50, maybe more like 80 years in the US. Thus attempts by said group to defend itself are seen as selfish and mean.

    Whatever the case among non-whites, among whites often the woke or at least woke sympathetic tend to actually be less ‘mean’ and more empathetic and pro-social, these are positive traits in a homogeneous society that give you results like Sweden or Denmark but maladaptive if ones own ethnic consciousness is blocked. The hardcore activists pushing the bleeding edge? Yes, they are pretty mean and less fair-minded but ‘wokeness’ is powered by elite white women with high empathy. They may not drive the train but they shovel the coal.

    • Agree: Travis
    • Replies: @kihowi
    @Altai


    ‘wokeness’ is powered by elite white women with high empathy
     
    Wrong. You're buying into their cover story. They don't have high empathy. Everybody has empathy, it just differs who for. There's us, fossils who believe in a civilized distribution of our empathy, with expanding rings of diminishing empathy around ourselves and our family. Then there's woke white women, who love their family just the same (mostly) but who hate huge chunks of society outside of that and pile their remaining empathy on a few select groups who have nothing to do with them. That's not high empathy, that's the same empathy to which is added a lot of hatred.

    I had to consciously force myself there to used "hatred" as the noun and not "hate", which is a verb. That's how easy it is to go along with stupid use of language when you're not careful.

    Replies: @stillCARealist

  96. How much is the Woke highjacking of private schools with large endowments and paid-for campuses the free market at work vs. how much is it insiders taking over multi-million dollar facilities for their own self-interested ends?

    Sometimes – and this is one of those times – Yglesias’ flippancy is too much to bear.

    The Woke captured existing institutions by jihad – “nice private school you’ve got there, it would be a shame if you didn’t hire a few Diversity Inclusion and Equity administrators since we’d have to notice the high white and Asian makeup of the student body.” It’s a stickup, where the administrations under pressure both for the institution and themselves personally agree under duress to stave off the slanders by giving the Woke a beachhead inside. Once inside, the administrators whose job it is to uncover racism – surprise, surprise, surprise! – discover lots of it. Not only in the makeup of the student body but in the faculty and upper reaches of the administration. Eventually the institution is hollowed out and the Wokeists are wearing its skin.

    Of course, what the parents are after is the prestige of these places – a reputation built up for decades or centuries prior to the Woke takeover as a consequence of the building of these institutions by people with very different values than the Wokeists. They’ve just captured the institution like brigands and Yglesias is pretending that the toxic cultures that ensued are the result of the market.

    • Thanks: William Badwhite
  97. @SFG
    @Jack D

    Someone needs to make a joke about a Pole, a Nazi, and a Jew walking into a bar. (Everything was fine until someone else in the bar needed to get some gas...work on it for me.)

    It's entirely possible for two groups to hate a third group and still be bitter enemies. (Look at the Middle East!) I think most of the people here are under less threat from Bari Weiss than they are from Ibram Kendi at this particular juncture-- more wars for Israel are unlikely at this point in time, and anyway we have an all-volunteer force so you could just tell your kids to stay out of the army--but the neocon betrayal was pretty bad so I don't blame people for being suspicious.

    Not that you'd ever trust her (in general almost any famous person is obsessed with power and status and constantly trying to aggrandize themselves, just like almost any famous scientist is obsessed with their field), but I think enough of the elites are starting to get threatened you might see enough indecision among the commanding heights to substantially weaken or repeal affirmative action laws with the next Republican government. I wouldn't trust Bari Weiss herself in a coalition. I mean, you'd have to keep her on a tight leash...OK, never mind, I'll see myself out.

    Replies: @Thomas, @Single malt

    …and anyway we have an all-volunteer force so you could just tell your kids to stay out of the army…

    They’ve got that worked out, how to get more cannon fodder once wokeness plus the status of goyim knowing makes the military too unattractive to whites to sustain the force: open borders and free citizenship to anyone who signs up. The Romans did it 2000 years ago.

  98. @Nodwink
    Bari Weiss spent most of her college years trying to cancel Palestinian activists on campus. I would be very suspicious of anything written by her; Weiss has a reputation for distortion, exaggeration, or straight out falsehoods.

    Replies: @Icy Blast, @PhysicistDave, @Danindc, @anonymous, @Jack D, @Paperback Writer, @Paperback Writer, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @AndrewR, @bomag, @Jilla, @R.G. Camara, @Colin Wright

    Broken clock, etc

  99. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Altai

    Are they shocked that their children assume themselves to be racially as well as class privileged.

    They suffer from cognitive dissonance. They truly believe we live in a meritocracy, which means simply the fact that they can afford to send their children to a $40,000 prep school means they are "good people", and for whatever reason they deeply want to be "good people". But they have also internalized that "good people" don't accept inequality or racial discrimination and want a world where everyone gets to live up to their "unlimited potential". Clever grifters can play on that.

    Replies: @guest007, @Spangel123

    This is the heart of the problem. The post industrial capitalist system has been entrenching itself throughout the world for more than a hundred years now. After generations under this system, we are seeing clear patterns emerge around who has more and less merit. Clearly merit is not distributed evenly. Not within a race and not across races either.

    So what are we left with? Either what we call merit is a vicious lie, or some easily identified categories of human beings possess less merit. The latter proposal frightens a lot of people. It frightens the losers for obvious reasons, but it is a problem for the winners too. For if there is no authentic way for genetic losers to better themselves in the capitalist system, what is left for them but to revolt against the winners?

    So we have all become invested in a lie to soothes the losers and protects the winners. Of course, for the winners it is more complicated. It’s not only about preventing the losers from having a reason to revolt against a system they will never succeed in. It’s also about maintaining status for the children of winners who don’t always stack up against the high IQ from the middle and lower classes, particularly the Asians, but also middle class intelligent whites.

    Courage comes with a price. A price that is so easy not to pay by just keeping quiet and knowing the truth while keeping it to oneself. If it were just about maintaining the present generation’s wealth and power, we all would keep quiet. The only hope lies in the stomach turning horror a non-woke elite feels while seeing his own children succumb to woke propaganda and believing it full force. Perhaps that would be enough to wake the complacent into speaking out.

    • Agree: Peter Akuleyev
  100. As a parent, the only solution to this problem that I can figure might be to find a decent religious school somewhere. It’s fighting a rearguard action, because even most churches are fully converged now. You probably won’t keep your kids safe from #BLM propaganda. Real-life experience with blacks will be the only thing that will cure that. (Then again, given that negrolatry in one form or another has been the American national creed for generations, that’s always been true.) You might keep them from the wilder reaches of transgender mass psychosis though, at least for a few more years.

    I’m familiar with both the kind of parents that send their kids to Harvard-Westlake and the kinds of kids that come out of there, and I’m not all that sympathetic. Endless status seeking and fashionable groupthink is a self-imposed burden. The problem for the rest of us, of course, as with the other Harvard (to which this school is a pathway), is that what starts on their campus, by design, doesn’t stay there. Waterloo won on the playing fields of Eton, and all that. This school is an elite factory.

  101. @anonymous
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmCPQbk2448&ab_channel=Sena

    Tucker tonight ripped off your essay on noblesse oblige for his monologue. He took out any direct references to Jews. The segment even had Mark Steyn who is an honorable man and often credits you for ideas when he guest hosted Rush Limbaugh. https://www.unz.com/isteve/noblesse-oblige-in-21st-century/

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @Steve from Detroit, @AndrewR, @AnotherDad

    Tucker also ripped off Steve’s “look how cool I am for pretending to not know or care about Meghan’s title” LARP

    This is the most famous family in world history and the rulers (at least nominally) of a country that ran the most powerful empire in world history within living memory. I don’t understand or respect any insouciance, real or feigned, about them.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @AndrewR

    Yeah, and they pissed it all away.

    Lizzie has presided over the end of the empire and the decline of the nation. She’s allowed the dregs of the Third World to swarm into her kingdom. (Has she ever so much as uttered the word Rotherham in connection with child abuse?)

    Instead of the new Jerusalem, her green and pleasant land is now the home of the new Mumbai, the new Karachi, the new Nairobi, the new Lagos, the new Kingston, the new Dhaka. And what has she had to say about any of it?

    Respect is earned, as is disrespect. The Windsors are no more deserving of praise and admiration than the Kennedys who presided over Camelot. (They’re no less sexually dysfunctional.) Their long and storied history notwithstanding, the royals have failed their people.

  102. Anon[165] • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco
    If you are a Harvard-Westlake parent and you don’t like it getting highjacked by the Woke, just start your own unWoke Harvard-Westlake. After all, how much could it cost to reproduce Harvard-Westlake’s 12 acre middle school campus in Holmby Hills between Beverly Hills and Bel-Air?

    You don't need that. You do need satisfactory teachers. If there's a disgruntled parent at Harvard-Westlake who is in the commercial real estate business, he can find them temporary headquarters. These people are 'afraid' not because there is anything to fear, but because they are other-directed and craven by nature.

    Replies: @Anon, @PhysicistDave

    This. As a tenured prof at a good school that has gone nuts i am desperate to get out. These people could create schools that employ people like me. But the kids would not get a job at goldman. Those jobs are for people who have taken the ticket. Borrowing a line from Vox Day.

    • Replies: @jilla2
    @Anon

    I work on Wall Street and what I've seen is that even in investment banking - the top echelon of most firms - companies are starting to move beyond the top tier schools into non-target schools.

    In my area, where we once hired a lot of people with big name MBAs, we're now hiring people who would have had trouble getting an operations job 20 years ago.

    I think this is some combination of young people shifting their interest to tech from finance as well as Wall Street being too competitive post-2008 to hire people with sh!tty attitudes. this isn't to say that MBAs from top notch schools aren't overrepresented, but Wall Street has become a lot more democratized.

    tech, at least on the engineering side, has always focused outside of the ivy league.

    it'll be interesting to see if degrees from elite schools will still be a ticket to a high-paying corporate job ten years from now. i personally think these schools have jumped the shark.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Hibernian

    , @Art Deco
    @Anon

    Dunno. The one person I've ever known who landed a job at Goldman was a Bulgarian immigrant who attended a private college that has some cachet, but not as much as the Ivy League or other private research universities.

    , @HA
    @Anon

    "But the kids would not get a job at goldman."

    Exactly. Harvard (or Princeton or Stanford) admissions officers are not going to be persuaded all that much by "satisfactory teachers", however one chooses to define that, whereas parents have the utmost confidence (rightly or wrongly) those people will at least pay attention should the Harvard-Westlake brand name be name-dropped into the application process. That is what they're paying for.

    And if the application form is from a school that was originally formed by disgruntled ex-Harvard-Westlake teachers/parents angry about too much "wokeness", that will get attention too, but unfortunately, it will be given the same treatment that letters sprinkled with anthrax get. That's the dilemma, as I understand it. At some point the dam might burst, and the split might happen, but even if it ultimately succeeds, it's going to be rough for that first or second generation of renegades (whose parents aren't Murdochs or who are not wealthy enough to drop ten rocks on a new science wing just to give their child a sociology diploma).

    So I suspect they'll just try and subvert from within. Rich, well-connected people are better at that kind of thing than they are at bucking the trend. And to be fair, trailblazers tend to wind up with more arrow holes than gold nuggets.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @The Last Real Calvinist

    , @Anon
    @Anon


    This. As a tenured prof at a good school that has gone nuts i am desperate to get out. These people could create schools that employ people like me. But the kids would not get a job at goldman. Those jobs are for people who have taken the ticket. Borrowing a line from Vox Day.
     
    Ultimately, profitable companies want to hire really smart people.

    I think that Goldman, et al., are hiring from Ivies because it's a signal for intelligence and conscienciousness. I think they're mostly still getting that, at least when they hire whites, Jews, and Asians

    But I think there're plenty more smart people that the Ivies aren't taking. The SAT and ACT now top out so low that there are too many perfect scores for the Ivies to handle. And there are a lot of students who feel miserable in their woke high schools and a few of them might be open to other possibilities.

    For instance, Peter Thiel types hiring them right out of high school. Thiel's $100,000 if you skip college thing was focused on getting smart kids to be tech entrepreneurs right out of high school. But companies paying high salaries to smart high school graduates could also capture some disaffected, non-woke kids, especially combined with stock options in four years. An SAT or IQ test will tell how smart they are, now and in four years, and high school grades are a reasonable proxy for conscientiousness.

    The problem would be figuring out how to signal that your company is not woke. Trump support or extreme religiosity might do it, but would repel many smart, non-woke students, even if they get the joke. The one thing that might work is simply not caving to Twitter mobs. Don't fire people for silly stuff. For serious stuff have investigations that take months, not minutes. Fire wokesters for insubordination, including internal troublemaking. Keep employees off of social media, even for their private lives: They're welcome to work elsewhere if they don't like it. Don't use social media-style internal communications like Slack. Install land-line telephones instead. Protect employees with company-paid, infinite-budget legal support if they are attacked. In general, don't comment about anything publicly that is not strictly related to your public-facing business product or services.
    , @anonymous
    @Anon


    This. As a tenured prof at a good school that has gone nuts i am desperate to get out.
     
    Whites only know how to retreat and surrender. They never fight to hold territory.
  103. anon[103] • Disclaimer says:

    Why do the woke get away with their piracy?

    Think it through. How did Dalton School wind up hiring a perv?

    Barr took over Dalton and recruited CIA’s most effective pedo blackmailer.

    Racism is CIA’s new basis for kompromat. It’s more subjective than fucking kids. It takes evidence to vilify somebody for that. By contrast, you can comb through anybody’s DARPA lifelogs and make him out a racist, whatever that is. And once institutionalized, the mass hysteria obscures the real problem, discrimination, by forcing individuals to internalize responsibility for failures of the state.

    The supreme law of the land on discrimination is the CERD, which cramps the state’s style in several ways. It applies equally to blacks getting strangled by killer pigs, to Muzzies getting framed for bombings CIA did, to wogs getting blown up abroad, and to goobers getting squeezed out of name-brand schools and jobs by collusive Jew abuse of function.

    Actually, legally, the only wrongful thing is hate speech: that’s advocacy of violence or discrimination, period. Very cut-and-dried. With a reservation to ICCPR Article 20 the USG explicitly said that was Okey-dokey – because Article 20 applies to government war propaganda. CIA’s using it on Russians now, in the most explicitly racial terms, Russians are genetically this, genetically that.

    CIA has a fake version of human rights, so you can fixate on it and get all pissed off at everybody and rationalize repression. That’s all this is.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @anon

    Think it through. How did Dalton School wind up hiring a perv? Barr took over Dalton and recruited CIA’s most effective pedo blackmailer.


    Wm. Barr's father was the headmaster of the Dalton School. Epstein was employed there as a math teacher for about two years, ca. 1977, when he was 23 years old.

    While we're at it, no one has to date accused Epstein of molesting a prepubescent child. His interests were in late-adolescent / post-adolescent girls. (I think there's been one accusation about a 14 year old).

    Replies: @Jack D, @Paperback Writer, @Alden, @JohnnyWalker123, @JohnnyWalker123

  104. @PhysicistDave
    Sailer asked:

    Why do the Woke get away with their piracy so often?
     
    I think the reason is simple: they are willing to band together to ostracize, boycott, or cancel anyone who does not get with the program, whereas most ordinary, decent Americans are repelled by this sort of lynch mob behavior.

    Why isn't Tucker or Hannity or Trump organizing a boycott of Bed, Bath, and Beyond for kicking out Mike Lindell's products?

    Because that just doesn't "feel right" to most of us. We want to live in a country in which people are not penalized financially or career-wise for their political or religious opinions. I don't ask my barber or my plumber what his political views are and then reject him if they are different from mine.

    We think this is a great achievement that America works this way.

    Except it no longer does.

    We might not have the luxury of thinking this way any longer.

    Personally, I hate it: I do not want to carefully vet either the businesses I patronize or my friends or neighbors based on their political opinions.

    But we may have no choice.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Squid, @SimplePseudonymicHandle, @Achmed E. Newman, @Desiderius, @nebulafox, @JimB, @JohnnyWalker123, @vinteuil, @Kylie

    I agree very much with your point, Dave, that we shouldn’t have to live our lives using politics in everything we do. When it comes to Big Biz (amazon and the like), it’s almost impossible to keep it all going. You patronize Chick Filet for a while, then you don’t…

    However, this is why we real conservatives need to keep things local as much as we can and build communities of like-minded people. The plumber, the barber, etc. are not likely to be the woke ones. Your internet provider (can’t get out of that one these days!), Amazon, who you may want to find and alternative to for many items, the local government schools, etc., are the woke ones that shouldn’t be supported. That latter one, the schools, is what this post is about, along with the discussion, i.e. by Yglesias, on “make your own school”, something I want to comment on further …

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Achmed E. Newman says


    That latter one, the schools, is what this post is about, along with the discussion, i.e. by Yglesias, on “make your own school”, something I want to comment on further …
     
    Well we homeschooled our kids, and they ended up with higher test scores than most of the kids admitted to Stanford, Harvard, etc. (not Caltech), and our kids did much, much more advanced work in high school than anyone I know who has gone to Stanford or the Ivies (or most who go to Caltech).

    Of course, our kids did not get admitted to Stanford or Harvard: talking with those schools and the admitted students, it became very clear that they really are looking for kids like the guy who wrote "BlackLivesMatter" a hundred times for his Stanford essay.

    I wonder how long it will be before most people know that the real skill acquired by Harvard and Stanford students is simply bullshitting.

    On second thought, maybe everyone already knows that, and it is just that our leading institutions are primarily looking for that skill.
  105. @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Ben Kurtz

    It's not even clear how much the parents profiled in this article really care about the institutional status and integrity of their children's schools. What Weiss says they really care about -- and I agree with her -- is which institutions their children will be associated with on the next rung of the educational ladder, i.e. universities.

    Here are a few additional paragraphs from Weiss's article:


    The parents in this story are not parents with no other options. Most have the capital—social and literal—to pull their kids out and hire private tutors. That they weren’t speaking out seemed to me cowardly, or worse.

    The cynical answer for their silence is two words: Ivy League. “There are definitively rumors that the school has like, say, three picks for Duke and that if you stand up against this your kid will get blackballed,” says one mother.

    Another explanation is groupthink and social pressure. “Sometimes the smartest people are the easiest ones to fool,” says a father who recently moved his son from one school to another that he judges to be marginally better. “If you made a decision to go on the board of Dalton having espoused all these leftist views forever and you want your kid to get into Harvard, you are not going to stand up and say, ‘wait a second, guys.’ You’re just not going to do it. Most people want to be members of the club.”

    I think it’s true that many people would rather violate their stated principles than be iced out of their social network. But this is a situation that goes beyond getting shunted to a bad table at the Robin Hood gala. To resist this ideology is to go against the entire institutional world.
     
    Yes, Harvard-Westlake is no doubt nice, and its physical plant would take a lot of money to emulate. But trying to build an alternative to the Ivy League is essentially impossible, and these parents know it. With good reason -- at least from their perspective -- they want their kids to be admitted to the right universities. They'll put up with a lot of shit before they will jeopardize this.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Twinkie, @YetAnotherAnon, @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Hibernian, @Forbes, @Patrick McNally, @Achmed E. Newman, @anon

    It’s my understanding that Harvard Law, U of C Law, medical schools, elite graduate schools, etc., care almost exclusively about GPA and test scores, plus unfortunately race and sex, and very little about what undergraduate institution an applicant attended. This may have, and probably has, to some extent, changed in recent years. I wouldn’t recommend Bob Jones University as an ideal undergraduate school for aspiring future Nobelists, Secretaries of State, etc; however, my alma mater Iowa State or possibly more distinguished state Us such as Illinois, Virginia, etc. might be worthy of consideration.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Hibernian

    It's always Bob Jones.

    Join the 21st Century already. Your strawmen have turned to dust.

  106. @anonymous
    Yeah, I really feel sorry for those folks who can afford $40k yearly for school tuition. They are worried about shaming? How cowardly can people get? These people have become a decadent, spineless breed of jellyfish. To this mere peon it seems that with that sort of money one can write one's own ticket: private tutors, shopping around for a different school, etc. Enough of them could organize their own school were they desperate enough. They'll just have to forego the making connections and networking part. To think that Davy Crockett died at the Alamo so that a bunch of people who'll end up running things could be such cringing wimps.

    Replies: @Marquis, @Aardvark, @kaganovitch, @Paperback Writer, @Not Only Wrathful

    Yeah, I really feel sorry for those folks who can afford $40k yearly for school tuition. They are worried about shaming? How cowardly can people get? These people have become a decadent, spineless breed of jellyfish.

    This is not entirely fair. “Shaming” in this context can come with real world consequences. Say you are an entertainment lawyer who pulls in high six figures in salary which allows for a very nice life including H.W. for your progeny. If you are smeared on social media as a ‘racist’ ‘White supremacist’ or the like, your job, lifestyle etc can go up in smoke in 5 minutes in one of these social piranha feeding frenzies and you may never recover. You can go from the highest peak to the depths of the pit like a snap. As in other tyrannies, it really doesn’t take more than premature stoppage of clapping to be branded a saboteur/racist.

  107. @Twinkie
    @Peter Akuleyev

    They seem to want to play tribunes - I would think that elite markers are a mild disadvantage in that role.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @tommytomtom, @nebulafox

    Yet even Trump had an Ivy degree (Penn), with his first 2 years being at Jesuit Fordham.

  108. Contrary to Steve’s idea that it’s woke administrators and activists creating the anti-white history and humanities curriculum, Much of this wokeness is actually coming from the students. Similar to high school demonstrations against the Vietnam war in the 60s and 70s, this woke revolution is coming from the students themselves.

    Many of these teens organized actually BLM protests in suburbia that were mostly peaceful because they were attended by high school students and their parents/friends.

    I work as a middle school humanities teacher at a private school in NYC and it’s often one or two students. In the class who are pushing the woke agenda.

    I am required to teach to Kill a Mockingbird, and when reading, the kids couldn’t complained to the principal that we shouldn’t be reading this book because it contains the N-word. Some students can’t bear to hear the word Negro because it’s offensive. Despite the fact that this unit is explicitly teaching Anti-racism! There are other examples, but it’s the students who are pushing for more wokeness in school in my opinion. Most teachers fall into place because they’re sympathetic, and woke administrators are only too happy to oblige them out of either genuine belief or fear of getting cancelled.

    On a tangential note, Vox is trying to cancel To Kill a Mockingbird because it’s not “good literature”. It’s “cheap” and only received adoption in schools because it was one of the first to hit the paperback market. I doubt that and think there must be a woke rationale for cancelling this American mainstay. Here’s a video showing Vox’s disdain for that book:

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    @ginger bread man

    My wife taught Mockingbird for years to minority Catholic-school teen girls and it was always immensely popular. To me the book, movie and play are the very essence of groveling white wokeness. Of course the author is a dead white person so I suppose it's ripe for cancellation just so some BIPOC-generated twaddle can take its lucrative place in the curriculum.

    Replies: @Alden, @Jim Don Bob

  109. @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    This is what the Communist revolutionaries used to call "increasing the contradictions". It's really not a good idea. If your car is not running well, the solution is to find out what is wrong with it and try to fix it, not to set the car on fire.

    Replies: @SFG, @kaganovitch, @Barnard, @nebulafox, @Citizen of a Silly Country

    If your car is not running well, the solution is to find out what is wrong with it and try to fix it, not to set the car on fire.

    But Yale is not your car, it is the car that your enemy is driving trying to run you over in the street.

    • Agree: bomag, AnotherDad
    • Replies: @tommytomtom
    @kaganovitch

    Exactly. Yale/the Ivies produce nothing of value, their just training grounds for future rent-seekers. And being an Ivy graduate does not usually help you join the upper-class -- it qualifies you to become a servant of the upper class

  110. @Altai

    First, they are assumed to be the Good Guys and skeptics are the Bad Guys.

    Second, Wokeness appeals to people who are meaner, stupider, uglier, and less fair-minded than their peers, but we have a culture in which nobody is allowed to point that out and remain in polite society. So the Woke are using their vices to take over rich institutions.
     

    The ethnic interests of some groups have been deemed illegitimate for at least 50, maybe more like 80 years in the US. Thus attempts by said group to defend itself are seen as selfish and mean.

    Whatever the case among non-whites, among whites often the woke or at least woke sympathetic tend to actually be less 'mean' and more empathetic and pro-social, these are positive traits in a homogeneous society that give you results like Sweden or Denmark but maladaptive if ones own ethnic consciousness is blocked. The hardcore activists pushing the bleeding edge? Yes, they are pretty mean and less fair-minded but 'wokeness' is powered by elite white women with high empathy. They may not drive the train but they shovel the coal.

    Replies: @kihowi

    ‘wokeness’ is powered by elite white women with high empathy

    Wrong. You’re buying into their cover story. They don’t have high empathy. Everybody has empathy, it just differs who for. There’s us, fossils who believe in a civilized distribution of our empathy, with expanding rings of diminishing empathy around ourselves and our family. Then there’s woke white women, who love their family just the same (mostly) but who hate huge chunks of society outside of that and pile their remaining empathy on a few select groups who have nothing to do with them. That’s not high empathy, that’s the same empathy to which is added a lot of hatred.

    I had to consciously force myself there to used “hatred” as the noun and not “hate”, which is a verb. That’s how easy it is to go along with stupid use of language when you’re not careful.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    @kihowi

    If I'm a liberal elite mom, I'm scorning the low-rent whites around me. My kid could join their ranks if I don't do everything right! Low-rent blacks? Nope, my kid can never be one of them.

    These people fear falling out of their elite status and the shame of having a kid not be a winner. It's really stressful on everybody involved, even without the crazy racist push.

  111. anon[482] • Disclaimer says:

    Gramscian Long March through the institutions continues, Upper Middle Class servitors to the 1% are affected and now they are distressed – “someone else should do something! Please!”.

    Paging Peter Turchin…paging Peter “Excess production of elites” Turchin…

    Out in the larger, realer world, people have been pushed out of their institutions for years and doing what they can to create parallels. The home-school co-op that grows into a church-sponsored private school is one obvious example. But none of those students go to an Ivy and not only is there no alternative to an Ivy, those that try such as Pepperdine just wind up being Gramscied.

    “Welcome to the party, pal!” is my reply to these UMC blithering fools.

    Far as I can tell Bari Weiss is yet another Leftist who suddenly found the ground under her feet shifted a little faster than she expected, so now she’s become the latest “heroic” truth teller to gullible cuckservatives at City Journal. A younger version of Phyllis Chesler, perhaps?

    So having viewed with alarum, what does the brain trust at City Journal suggest? Oh, I know, I know! More neoconservatism! Because the last batch worked out so very, very well!

    Sigh.

    • Agree: Abe
  112. I don’t really get this story … if people aren’t happy with the expensive private schools they’ve enrolled their kids in then maybe … don’t send them there? https://t.co/bu2V5RYpZ0

    — Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) March 10, 2021

    Or maybe they could demand that the school they pay a boat-load of money to bends to the will of it’s customers?

    I don’t get Matt Yglesias – if he doesn’t want to get beaten up, why does he walk down the street?

    • Thanks: Harry Baldwin
  113. @Jack D
    @Nodwink

    Even assuming your characterization of what she did in college is accurate (it isn't), Bari Weiss is 36 years old so you are referring to things that she did 15 or more years ago.

    What Weiss really did was protest against the anti-Israel propaganda Arab professors at Columbia were feeding to their students. For example, when a Jewish student asked an Arab professor teaching an Arabic language class he was taking how to use the verb, 'prevent,' the professor wrote on the board, `Israel prevents ambulances from going into refugee camps.'

    In general, she fought against the fashionable anti-Semitism of the Left (which is sold under the guise of "anti-Zionism" but in fact is just thinly disguised anti-Semitism). And don't give me any BS about how Arabs are Semites too - "anti-Semitism" is just a 19th century German euphemism for Jew-hate and has nothing to do with any Semitic people other than the Jews. Don't make the mistake of thinking that just because these people hate Jews and you hate Jews too that these people are somehow your friends, because they aren't. They don't have anything good in mind for you either.

    Replies: @Sean, @AndrewR, @SFG, @Mr. Anon, @International Jew, @JohnnyWalker123, @Anonymous, @tommytomtom, @ATBOTL

    Thanks for the “Let’s you and him fight” pep-talk.

    Weiss’s whole career has been built on being an enthusiastic neo-con stooge.

    https://theintercept.com/2017/08/31/nyts-newest-op-ed-hire-bari-weiss-embodies-its-worst-failings-and-its-lack-of-viewpoint-diversity/

    She’s an advocate for her people. Why should I and my people give a damn what she thinks?

  114. @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    This is what the Communist revolutionaries used to call "increasing the contradictions". It's really not a good idea. If your car is not running well, the solution is to find out what is wrong with it and try to fix it, not to set the car on fire.

    Replies: @SFG, @kaganovitch, @Barnard, @nebulafox, @Citizen of a Silly Country

    You seriously think these institutions can be reformed? What would that process look like? To stick with your analogy, if your car is not running well and is beyond worth being repaired, you take to the junkyard and get a different one. You don’t keep driving it hoping some magical fix will happen. The only way forward is with new elites, crushing the Ivy League networking control of power is the best hope of that happening.

  115. No baseball diamond.

    There’s your problem.

    • Replies: @68W58
    @Desiderius

    I thought so at first as well, but you can see it upon close inspection. Look closer to the bottom of the picture and you will see a circle (the mound), then look to the right and you can see the foul lines converge, with the first base line crossing over onto the Soccer/Football field. It appears they have artificial turf over both playing fields.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  116. As a parent, the only solution to this problem that I can figure might be to find a decent religious school somewhere.

    So all those affluent liberal secular parents will send thier kids to some sane traditional religious school and then work to turn it to s**t because it’s too Jesus-ey. Great plan. It’s like the liberal California out-migration on a smaller scale.

    The problem with those affluent liberals is their own stupid ideas. They need to wake the f**k up.

    • Agree: kaganovitch
  117. @Hibernian
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    It's my understanding that Harvard Law, U of C Law, medical schools, elite graduate schools, etc., care almost exclusively about GPA and test scores, plus unfortunately race and sex, and very little about what undergraduate institution an applicant attended. This may have, and probably has, to some extent, changed in recent years. I wouldn't recommend Bob Jones University as an ideal undergraduate school for aspiring future Nobelists, Secretaries of State, etc; however, my alma mater Iowa State or possibly more distinguished state Us such as Illinois, Virginia, etc. might be worthy of consideration.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    It’s always Bob Jones.

    Join the 21st Century already. Your strawmen have turned to dust.

  118. @PhysicistDave
    Sailer asked:

    Why do the Woke get away with their piracy so often?
     
    I think the reason is simple: they are willing to band together to ostracize, boycott, or cancel anyone who does not get with the program, whereas most ordinary, decent Americans are repelled by this sort of lynch mob behavior.

    Why isn't Tucker or Hannity or Trump organizing a boycott of Bed, Bath, and Beyond for kicking out Mike Lindell's products?

    Because that just doesn't "feel right" to most of us. We want to live in a country in which people are not penalized financially or career-wise for their political or religious opinions. I don't ask my barber or my plumber what his political views are and then reject him if they are different from mine.

    We think this is a great achievement that America works this way.

    Except it no longer does.

    We might not have the luxury of thinking this way any longer.

    Personally, I hate it: I do not want to carefully vet either the businesses I patronize or my friends or neighbors based on their political opinions.

    But we may have no choice.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Squid, @SimplePseudonymicHandle, @Achmed E. Newman, @Desiderius, @nebulafox, @JimB, @JohnnyWalker123, @vinteuil, @Kylie

    You have to recognize that they’re not banning Lindell on the basis of political or religious beliefs.

    This is the stumbling block that Sailer is trying to dislodge.

  119. I think this Maoism (or Red Guardism) in the Ivy Leagues, and now their 1% feeder prep schools, is what is and will totally devalue any extra “value” from being an Ivy grad.

    With this thick layer of open bias and political thuggery, they are become the academic versions of the Golden Globes, Emmys, Grammys and Oscars.

    Increasingly “entertainment”awards are being churned out on Woke grounds by limiting or creating categories that only certain pets can even compete for or win. Few of the winners or even nominees these days are selected on a popularity basis. Which sexually confused starlet wins next?

    Now who cares who “wins” these trinkets? Didn’t Uncle Harvey Weinstein finally reveal why who wins and who doesn’t. Even back in the early 2000s his bribery was the stuff of Vanity Fair articles. Such crassness was reported as normal. That’s now Woke Quota stuff, not mere cash.

    So winning these trinkets does little for ticket or music product sales. I think the degradation of the Ivys has the same effect. Mr. businessman/or Ms., who do you hire, the Brown grad or Texas A&M grad?

    • Agree: Mark G.
    • Replies: @DextersLabRat
    @Muggles

    That's all well and good but the problem you're not accounting for is HR departments. These days in your average big corporation or even a medium-sized one, Mr. Businessman doesn't see all the resumes that get sent, only the ones that HR filters. And HR is overwhelmingly female, and the type of unimaginative female who are all for credentialism. I work for a company in STEM with about 500 employees across North America; literally every young entry-level hire in the past five years is an Ivy League graduate. It seems that they don't even look at resumes that didn't come from an American Ivy (or the Canadian equivalent for the staff there).

    Mr. Businessman the top boss, being a delusional boomer mentally stuck in 1975, sees this and thinks "this is so great, our company is so prestigious it attracts all these top-level graduates". If he's vaguely aware of wokeism on those campuses, he's not going to make the connection between that and any change in the standard of work produced, if he even notices any for the time being. Junior hires have Gen X managers who can smooth over any mistakes they make. You would only really start to see the rot when the millennial and Gen Z generations get to management and at that point it's too late.

    , @Desiderius
    @Muggles


    who cares who “wins” these trinkets?
     
    Our rulers
    , @AndrewR
    @Muggles

    whom do you hire

  120. And just how many of the people do you think voted for Biden, hmmm?

  121. My oldest and their spouse flew in for a short visit from Acela Corridor City, where they are each successful in the early/mid stage of a STEM/Health-care career.

    Really nice visit, except where the conversation crossed into politics. E.g. one of them has Kendi’s best-seller on the bedside table — not for a workplace-mandated struggle session, but for personal enrichment.

    The other one gets to see a parade of People With Medical Problems every day, reflects on that, and concludes… white oppression and structural racism are to blame.

    The shift in the Overton Window is real. This weekend drove home how wide the gap is yawning, between the way that many commenters here see the world — and how most smart, educated normal white folks see it.

    Vetting possible coalition allies like Bari Weiss for purity may not be the best strategy at the moment.

    • Replies: @anon
    @ic1000

    My oldest and their spouse flew in

    Your oldest offspring is involved in the pronoun game and chose "they"? If that's true then all the rest just logically follows.

    Groupthink is powerful. Acela-land is full of it.

    Replies: @ic1000

    , @S. Anonyia
    @ic1000

    The young people who were raised to be nice and pro-social, with agreeable personality traits, are the most vulnerable to becoming woke. They aren’t driving the agenda but they follow it.

    The ideology, jargon, and activities required are a kind of substitute for religion.

    I’m probably relatively close in age in your children (early 30s millennial, advanced degree, decent dual income). When I look at which of my friends or relatives have become insufferably woke, and which haven’t...two things stand out. The ones who were rebellious as teens, or who played more sports growing up, are less woke even if they are well-educated and working in leftist environments. Ironically, those who experimented more with alcohol/drugs when younger seem to be less woke, too.

    I do agree that purity spiraling is ridiculous though.

    , @Desiderius
    @ic1000

    That ain't success, champ.

    Sorry about that. Sometimes they get better.

    Replies: @ic1000

  122. @SFG
    "Why should I care about these people?"

    If you mean why should I have any sympathy for their suffering... you shouldn't. They're rich and privileged and if they have to go to NYU instead of Harvard the connections will make up the difference. If they get colon cancer you shouldn't feel guilty making 'new asshole' jokes.

    If you mean why should I have any interest in the outcome of this... you should. They're rich and privileged and revolts among elites (as Steve has said) can have substantial effects downstream. Neocons (parenthesized or otherwise) are going to be a lot more sympathetic to attempts to dismantle affirmative action (particularly because their own kids' hides are on the line) than Wokists. They're venal and selfish...of course they are, that's how they got where they were (along with nepotism, ethnic nepotism, and the hard work of their grandparents).

    Also, the more rich and powerful people who get uneasy with the left, the easier it will be to tip the balance of power back in a desirable direction. You don't have to like them. Politics has always made strange bedfellows. Revolutions are usually accompanied by ideological lack of resolve on the elites' part (look at the French one, where Enlightenment ideas were popular in salons, or the Russian one, where late Czarist intellectuals were constantly denouncing the Czarist system). You want to weaken and divide them.

    Just make it pretty clear this country is not going into any more wars on Israel's behalf. Not so explicitly...'end to endless war' and the like. Heck, you've got Soros and Koch both contributing to Quincy...I suspect the age of American hegemony is over.

    Replies: @RichardTaylor, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @JohnnyWalker123

    Just make it pretty clear this country is not going into any more wars on Israel’s behalf.

    Exactly. I have no problem allying my people with other groups when our interests align. However, it’s vital for all sides to understand who are the tribes involved, what we hope to gain and what we want long-term.

    The main problem is that others groups are so used to Whites never thinking of themselves as a group and never acting as a group that they get a bit ruffled when we try. You see that here in the comments.

    For example, I’m fine working with colorblind CivNats to fight against affirmative action that discriminates against Whites. But they should realize that I’m perfectly fine with ethnic discrimination as long as it’s in my group’s favor, but I’ll settle for no discrimination against any group if that’s the best deal I can get.. (Actually, I’d prefer an ethno-state where it’s unnecessary, but if I live in a multi-racial country, I want what’s best for my people.)

    The Ideological Age is ending. The Demographic Age is upon us. It’s tribal, bitches!

  123. @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    This is what the Communist revolutionaries used to call "increasing the contradictions". It's really not a good idea. If your car is not running well, the solution is to find out what is wrong with it and try to fix it, not to set the car on fire.

    Replies: @SFG, @kaganovitch, @Barnard, @nebulafox, @Citizen of a Silly Country

    You aren’t increasing contradictions for society as a whole. You are increasing the contradictions on what is increasingly a cancer on that society. If you want to change the culture back to one that prioritizes building over seeking the approval of abstract authority, letting the pinnacle of credentialism turn itself into a self-parodying farce that fewer respect is a good start.

  124. @ic1000
    My oldest and their spouse flew in for a short visit from Acela Corridor City, where they are each successful in the early/mid stage of a STEM/Health-care career.

    Really nice visit, except where the conversation crossed into politics. E.g. one of them has Kendi's best-seller on the bedside table -- not for a workplace-mandated struggle session, but for personal enrichment.

    The other one gets to see a parade of People With Medical Problems every day, reflects on that, and concludes... white oppression and structural racism are to blame.

    The shift in the Overton Window is real. This weekend drove home how wide the gap is yawning, between the way that many commenters here see the world -- and how most smart, educated normal white folks see it.

    Vetting possible coalition allies like Bari Weiss for purity may not be the best strategy at the moment.

    Replies: @anon, @S. Anonyia, @Desiderius

    My oldest and their spouse flew in

    Your oldest offspring is involved in the pronoun game and chose “they”? If that’s true then all the rest just logically follows.

    Groupthink is powerful. Acela-land is full of it.

    • Replies: @ic1000
    @anon

    > Your oldest offspring is involved in the pronoun game and chose “they”?

    No, anon[482], I should have been clearer. "They" was me blurring the details. The anecdote was a tell-some, not a tell-all.

  125. anon[117] • Disclaimer says:

    Dear White People:

    You are hated in America. There is really nothing you can do about it. Concessions just make them see you as weak and to push for more. Get your kids into learning a profession in demand world-wide, so that they can migrate to another nation for their own safety if need be in a couple of decades.

    There are good online homeschooling programs available if a lousy public and woke private school are your only current options. Your kids can socialize on sports teams. and martial arts
    classes with the other local children. There is always church youth programs also. Please dont let them make your child have a guilt complex thats professionally psychologically installed. Its abuse.

  126. @Ben Kurtz
    Matt Yglesias' comment ('why not just build your own
    private school, hurr durr) reminds me of the long-forgotton distinction between businesses and institutions. Businesses come and go; you can take them or leave them. Only the owners and employees are all that deeply invested. But institutions, sometimes, are things that are worth fighting for, even if you have had no specially large role in them. Because they serve a greater good; or they stand at the hub of a community; or they are particularly hard to replace.

    Institutional status isn't strictly confined to public versus private ownership or non-profit versus for-profit status. Schools -- public or private -- are institutions. Churches and synagogues too. Banks are financial institutions -- says so right in the name. So is the county courthouse and the state mental asylum; in their heyday the railroads were institutions and so was the Post Office, but those slid (or are sliding) into mere business status as technology and evolving lifestyles make them less central to our lives.

    I'll turn my back on Target and Starbucks with barely a second thought -- their repellent habits of injecting absurd ideology into their business routines deserves nothing but scorn, and there are plenty of other shops in this world. But I actually volunteer my time to certain of my local institutions because I want to help them succeed and remain dedicated to honest and wholesome values.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Paperback Writer, @Art Deco, @clifford brown

    Because they serve a greater good; or they stand at the hub of a community; or they are particularly hard to replace.

    There are two private academies of note in my home town not affiliated with the Catholic diocese, the religious orders, or some evangelical congregation. One of them has been financially troubled in recent years and may close. The other one is currently run by a man who despises standardized tests and fancies a mess of gitchy-goo stuff like ‘mindfullness and empathy, social-emotional learning’ &c. The two schools in question enroll about 0.8% of the primary and secondary students in Monroe County, NY. They’re not the hub of anything but a modest collection of boosters. Provide value-added or be gone.

  127. @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    This is what the Communist revolutionaries used to call "increasing the contradictions". It's really not a good idea. If your car is not running well, the solution is to find out what is wrong with it and try to fix it, not to set the car on fire.

    Replies: @SFG, @kaganovitch, @Barnard, @nebulafox, @Citizen of a Silly Country

    But it’s not my car and never will be even if I had the chops to get in.

    The Ivies are the car of Jews and their asshole White minions. Let them burn.

  128. @Jack D
    @Nodwink

    Even assuming your characterization of what she did in college is accurate (it isn't), Bari Weiss is 36 years old so you are referring to things that she did 15 or more years ago.

    What Weiss really did was protest against the anti-Israel propaganda Arab professors at Columbia were feeding to their students. For example, when a Jewish student asked an Arab professor teaching an Arabic language class he was taking how to use the verb, 'prevent,' the professor wrote on the board, `Israel prevents ambulances from going into refugee camps.'

    In general, she fought against the fashionable anti-Semitism of the Left (which is sold under the guise of "anti-Zionism" but in fact is just thinly disguised anti-Semitism). And don't give me any BS about how Arabs are Semites too - "anti-Semitism" is just a 19th century German euphemism for Jew-hate and has nothing to do with any Semitic people other than the Jews. Don't make the mistake of thinking that just because these people hate Jews and you hate Jews too that these people are somehow your friends, because they aren't. They don't have anything good in mind for you either.

    Replies: @Sean, @AndrewR, @SFG, @Mr. Anon, @International Jew, @JohnnyWalker123, @Anonymous, @tommytomtom, @ATBOTL

    My sense is that Bari Weiss’ words are resonating with a lot of liberal Jews.

    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @International Jew

    Bingo!

    Weiss isn't worried about the Woke mob. She's worried that the Woke mob might move from gentile Whites to Jews.

    I have no problem with that. She's looking out for her own.

  129. Sarah Murdoch, wife of Lachlan and Rupert’s daughter-in-law

    These days, a comma is really needed after “Lachlan”, for clarity.

    • LOL: kaganovitch
  130. @Nodwink
    Bari Weiss spent most of her college years trying to cancel Palestinian activists on campus. I would be very suspicious of anything written by her; Weiss has a reputation for distortion, exaggeration, or straight out falsehoods.

    Replies: @Icy Blast, @PhysicistDave, @Danindc, @anonymous, @Jack D, @Paperback Writer, @Paperback Writer, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @AndrewR, @bomag, @Jilla, @R.G. Camara, @Colin Wright

    I would be very suspicious of anything written by her…

    Maybe the Wokeness is even worse than she reports?

  131. @PhysicistDave
    Sailer asked:

    Why do the Woke get away with their piracy so often?
     
    I think the reason is simple: they are willing to band together to ostracize, boycott, or cancel anyone who does not get with the program, whereas most ordinary, decent Americans are repelled by this sort of lynch mob behavior.

    Why isn't Tucker or Hannity or Trump organizing a boycott of Bed, Bath, and Beyond for kicking out Mike Lindell's products?

    Because that just doesn't "feel right" to most of us. We want to live in a country in which people are not penalized financially or career-wise for their political or religious opinions. I don't ask my barber or my plumber what his political views are and then reject him if they are different from mine.

    We think this is a great achievement that America works this way.

    Except it no longer does.

    We might not have the luxury of thinking this way any longer.

    Personally, I hate it: I do not want to carefully vet either the businesses I patronize or my friends or neighbors based on their political opinions.

    But we may have no choice.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Squid, @SimplePseudonymicHandle, @Achmed E. Newman, @Desiderius, @nebulafox, @JimB, @JohnnyWalker123, @vinteuil, @Kylie

    >I think the reason is simple: they are willing to band together to ostracize, boycott, or cancel anyone who does not get with the program, whereas most ordinary, decent Americans are repelled by this sort of lynch mob behavior.

    Yes, but it’d be pointless if they also hadn’t “captured the institutions” and didn’t have broad intellectual sympathy among many in power in the first place. As is often the case with humans, the practical and ideal blur together somewhat, and people morph to fit the milieu around them. 30 years ago, the most liberal Democrats would have been considered to the right of Hawley and DeSantis on many issues, after all..

    One thing that I’ve noticed in life is that corporate culture will mold itself to the dominant ethos of the higher classes of whatever country it is in. In China, people are expected to join the Communist Party to get ahead. In the Islamic World, you donate some of your salary to connected zakat charities. And in the US, that’s… woke. To the point where we’re actively exporting it. There’s no contradiction between that and the Cold War centrism of half a century ago.

    The Russians have a very nice, earthy saying about this dynamic we have with our elites: “A fish rots from the head.” People reflect the behavior that they see.

  132. The capitalist solution only works when your enemies aren’t willing to engage in otherwise economically irrational behaviour for the purpose of suppressing ideological dissent. Private boycotts are the simplest and least offensive expression of this exclusionary principle. But we’ve seen banks refusing transactions, Amazon refusing profitable books, and web hosting services refusing paying customers on what appear to be ideological grounds. At that point, when the companies who provide critical infrastructure are willing to leave money on the table just to suppress views they dislike, the program of setting up an alternative to serve disaffected customers becomes prohibitively expensive, and practically unworkable. Here, social exclusion and threats of violence would likely cut off a traditional school from the staff, students, and facilities, as surely as Charles Boycott back in Ireland.

  133. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Twinkie

    The solution is to let the Ivy League destroy itself with its own medicine

    How will that work when so many of the "leaders" on the Right (Trump, Cruz, DeSantis, Hawley, Cotton) are Ivy League graduates and don't want their "accomplishment" devalued?

    Replies: @gent, @Twinkie, @bomag

    Isn’t it better for an insider to cancel the place?

  134. @RichardTaylor
    @PhysicistDave

    You and your children can express themselves freely among the White working and "lowah" classes with no problem. The opinions could be libertarian, liberal, socialist, or whatever, and their lives wouldn't be ruined.

    But among the "uppah class" Whites and the Sacred non-White immigrants, say the wrong thing and they hunt you down for the next 40 years.

    I point this out for those reading, not for you, because you'll never get the connection.

    But please, tell your kid to speak their truth about the Enlightenment, and how sweet reason trumps crude genetics. Please, do that, and encourage them to follow the spirt of Rousseau.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Reg Cæsar, @PhysicistDave

    …encourage them to follow the spirt of Rousseau.

    Rousseau is the problem, not the solution.

    But among the “uppah class” Whites and the Sacred non-White immigrants, say the wrong thing and they hunt you down for the next 40 years.

    It was only 21 years in the case of the immigration act of 1787, otherwise known as Article I, Section 9:

    “The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight…”

    • Replies: @fish
    @Reg Cæsar

    Rousseau is the problem, not the solution.


    I'm glad you said it.......

  135. @Nodwink
    Bari Weiss spent most of her college years trying to cancel Palestinian activists on campus. I would be very suspicious of anything written by her; Weiss has a reputation for distortion, exaggeration, or straight out falsehoods.

    Replies: @Icy Blast, @PhysicistDave, @Danindc, @anonymous, @Jack D, @Paperback Writer, @Paperback Writer, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @AndrewR, @bomag, @Jilla, @R.G. Camara, @Colin Wright

    yeah, but this is the game the woke are playing. prime example is all that bs from megan markle. the amount of hate the royal family is getting on social media from american blacks (who my guess previously couldn’t have cared less about) is incredible.

    we need people on our side who can play the game. I’m no fan of bari Weiss but the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

    • Replies: @Ed
    @Jilla

    American blacks only matter in America and only to the fawning media.

  136. Due to the article’s heavy reliance on anonymous sources in furtherance of the writer’s point-of-view, it’s a fake.

    Those allegedly concerned, non-communist parents are symbolically fighting an unwise, rearguard action.

    No matter how the politics turn out, when it comes to cultural values, the influence of predominantly left-wing classmates prevails.

    Those 1%-parents are obviously too caught up in their fulfilling, lucrative careers to consider homeschool. They might consider making every day a “take your kid to work” day.

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    @Abolish_public_education

    "Due to the article’s heavy reliance on anonymous sources in furtherance of the writer’s point-of-view, it’s a fake."

    Garbage. No anonymous sources, no big-time journalism.

  137. @ic1000
    My oldest and their spouse flew in for a short visit from Acela Corridor City, where they are each successful in the early/mid stage of a STEM/Health-care career.

    Really nice visit, except where the conversation crossed into politics. E.g. one of them has Kendi's best-seller on the bedside table -- not for a workplace-mandated struggle session, but for personal enrichment.

    The other one gets to see a parade of People With Medical Problems every day, reflects on that, and concludes... white oppression and structural racism are to blame.

    The shift in the Overton Window is real. This weekend drove home how wide the gap is yawning, between the way that many commenters here see the world -- and how most smart, educated normal white folks see it.

    Vetting possible coalition allies like Bari Weiss for purity may not be the best strategy at the moment.

    Replies: @anon, @S. Anonyia, @Desiderius

    The young people who were raised to be nice and pro-social, with agreeable personality traits, are the most vulnerable to becoming woke. They aren’t driving the agenda but they follow it.

    The ideology, jargon, and activities required are a kind of substitute for religion.

    I’m probably relatively close in age in your children (early 30s millennial, advanced degree, decent dual income). When I look at which of my friends or relatives have become insufferably woke, and which haven’t…two things stand out. The ones who were rebellious as teens, or who played more sports growing up, are less woke even if they are well-educated and working in leftist environments. Ironically, those who experimented more with alcohol/drugs when younger seem to be less woke, too.

    I do agree that purity spiraling is ridiculous though.

    • Thanks: ic1000
  138. @Almost Missouri


    “They are making my son feel like a racist because of the pigmentation of his skin,” one mother says. …

    ... They worry about losing their jobs or hurting their children if their opposition to this ideology were known.

    ... “Then you’ll be blacklisted from all the private schools and you’ll be known as a racist, which is worse than being called a murderer.” …

    “And he said: ‘Dude, that’s dangerous ground you’re on in our friendship.’ ”

    That fear is shared, deeply, by the children. ...“If you publish my name, it would ruin my life. People would attack me for even questioning this ideology.” ...“The kids are scared of other kids,” says one Harvard-Westlake mother.

    The atmosphere is making their children anxious, paranoid, and insecure—and closed off from even their close friends. “My son knew I was talking to you and he begged me not to,” another Harvard-Westlake mother told me. “... he told me that one bad statement from me will ruin us. This is the United States of America. Are you freaking kidding me?”
     

     
    Hey liberals! This is where your liberalism was always headed! Whether you supported the New Deal in the 1930s, "Civil Rights" in the 1960s, or political correctness in the 1990s, this is where it was always going. Welcome to the world you helped to build while you piously denounced those who correctly foresaw the fruits of your folly.

    Also, this is not yet the endpoint. Any chance you'll own your errors before the wheel of wokeness remorselessly crushes you as it crushed so many innocents before you to your zealous cheering?

    Now taking bets...

    Replies: @Jim Christian, @stillCARealist, @Forbes, @Buffalo Joe

    Any chance you’ll own your errors…

    Nope. Not a chance. It’s never happened. Never will.

  139. @Muggles
    I think this Maoism (or Red Guardism) in the Ivy Leagues, and now their 1% feeder prep schools, is what is and will totally devalue any extra "value" from being an Ivy grad.

    With this thick layer of open bias and political thuggery, they are become the academic versions of the Golden Globes, Emmys, Grammys and Oscars.

    Increasingly "entertainment"awards are being churned out on Woke grounds by limiting or creating categories that only certain pets can even compete for or win. Few of the winners or even nominees these days are selected on a popularity basis. Which sexually confused starlet wins next?

    Now who cares who "wins" these trinkets? Didn't Uncle Harvey Weinstein finally reveal why who wins and who doesn't. Even back in the early 2000s his bribery was the stuff of Vanity Fair articles. Such crassness was reported as normal. That's now Woke Quota stuff, not mere cash.

    So winning these trinkets does little for ticket or music product sales. I think the degradation of the Ivys has the same effect. Mr. businessman/or Ms., who do you hire, the Brown grad or Texas A&M grad?

    Replies: @DextersLabRat, @Desiderius, @AndrewR

    That’s all well and good but the problem you’re not accounting for is HR departments. These days in your average big corporation or even a medium-sized one, Mr. Businessman doesn’t see all the resumes that get sent, only the ones that HR filters. And HR is overwhelmingly female, and the type of unimaginative female who are all for credentialism. I work for a company in STEM with about 500 employees across North America; literally every young entry-level hire in the past five years is an Ivy League graduate. It seems that they don’t even look at resumes that didn’t come from an American Ivy (or the Canadian equivalent for the staff there).

    Mr. Businessman the top boss, being a delusional boomer mentally stuck in 1975, sees this and thinks “this is so great, our company is so prestigious it attracts all these top-level graduates”. If he’s vaguely aware of wokeism on those campuses, he’s not going to make the connection between that and any change in the standard of work produced, if he even notices any for the time being. Junior hires have Gen X managers who can smooth over any mistakes they make. You would only really start to see the rot when the millennial and Gen Z generations get to management and at that point it’s too late.

    • Agree: photondancer
  140. @Twinkie
    @The Last Real Calvinist


    But trying to build an alternative to the Ivy League is essentially impossible, and these parents know it. With good reason — at least from their perspective — they want their kids to be admitted to the right universities. They’ll put up with a lot of shit before they will jeopardize this.
     
    The solution is not to build an alternative to the Ivy League. The solution is to let the Ivy League destroy itself with its own medicine* (and I write this as a totally disgusted alumnus of the Ivies - seriously, to borrow from Michael Brown's father, "Burn this bitch down!").

    I say all of us should pressure the Ivy League to take more and more "underrepresented minorities." 25% isn't enough. It should be 50%. No, better yet, blacks and Hispanics should be 75% of the student bodies (the rest being underachieving, lazy scions of privileged Jews per Ron Unz's "American Meritocracy"). The Ivies should be shamed into taking more of them until they are completely packed with students who can't hack it in real life.

    *It's really too bad that Trump doesn't have the control of the Justice Department anymore - when Yale was self-flagellating and virtue-signaling about its own racism, it was really brilliant to say, "Oh, really? Did you know that that's against the law and we must investigate you now?"

    Replies: @anon, @Peter Akuleyev, @Jack D, @Hermes, @RegretLeft

    I say all of us should pressure the Ivy League to take more and more “underrepresented minorities.” 25% isn’t enough. It should be 50%. No, better yet, blacks and Hispanics should be 75% of the student bodies (the rest being underachieving, lazy scions of privileged Jews per Ron Unz’s “American Meritocracy”). The Ivies should be shamed into taking more of them until they are completely packed with students who can’t hack it in real life.

    I think this is naive. It reminds me of how culturally conservative types used to tell teenagers that if you had long hair and tattoos, you wouldn’t be able to get a good job. Well, that generation changed society so that is no longer the case. What would happen if the Ivies accepted all these students who can’t hack it in (today’s) real life is not that the Ivies would change, it’s that real life would change. Society would accept crumbling infrastructure and ineffective institutions as the price of maintaining these social networks. I’ve seen it with affirmative action hires in my own profession. Do their blatant failures cause anyone to “wake up?” No, we just endlessly gaslight ourselves, pretending that these obvious incompetents are eminently competent, ignoring and covering up their failure and shoddy work.

    • Agree: Alden
  141. @PhysicistDave
    Sailer asked:

    Why do the Woke get away with their piracy so often?
     
    I think the reason is simple: they are willing to band together to ostracize, boycott, or cancel anyone who does not get with the program, whereas most ordinary, decent Americans are repelled by this sort of lynch mob behavior.

    Why isn't Tucker or Hannity or Trump organizing a boycott of Bed, Bath, and Beyond for kicking out Mike Lindell's products?

    Because that just doesn't "feel right" to most of us. We want to live in a country in which people are not penalized financially or career-wise for their political or religious opinions. I don't ask my barber or my plumber what his political views are and then reject him if they are different from mine.

    We think this is a great achievement that America works this way.

    Except it no longer does.

    We might not have the luxury of thinking this way any longer.

    Personally, I hate it: I do not want to carefully vet either the businesses I patronize or my friends or neighbors based on their political opinions.

    But we may have no choice.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Squid, @SimplePseudonymicHandle, @Achmed E. Newman, @Desiderius, @nebulafox, @JimB, @JohnnyWalker123, @vinteuil, @Kylie

    Why do the Woke get away with their piracy so often?

    I think the reason is simple: they are willing to band together to ostracize, boycott, or cancel anyone who does not get with the program, whereas most ordinary, decent Americans are repelled by this sort of lynch mob behavior.

    Wokeness is an internet phenomenon made possible only by the big social media monopolies and the indelibility of digital information. It facilitates a particular kind of libel against whites — i.e., racism, broadly defined by thoughts, words, deeds, or just perhaps having a job some minority wants. Since racism libel is friction-free and infinitely diffusible, every white person is terrified of being denounced in front of all humanity, for all times. There is no way to refute this kind of libel once it spreads,

    • Replies: @Joseph Doaks
    @JimB

    "Wokeness is an internet phenomenon made possible only by the big social media monopolies and the indelibility of digital information."

    The key word is monopolies. Only by repeal of Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act can the problem be solved.

  142. @PhysicistDave
    @Nodwink

    Nodwink wrote:


    Bari Weiss spent most of her college years trying to cancel Palestinian activists on campus. I would be very suspicious of anything written by her; Weiss has a reputation for distortion, exaggeration, or straight out falsehoods.
     
    Perhaps, but for many of us in California it rings true. We had one neighbor with whom we could freely discuss our opinions: alas, she passed away right before Christmas (in her mid-nineties). My kid at UCLA can talk freely with a handful of the other engineering majors. Otherwise, she has to be careful.

    It's reaching the point that you send little signals that maybe you are not really PC to sound people out, and then if they respond, you can talk.

    Let me make clear: I'm not talking about alt-Right, white supremacists, etc. If you hold the views of JFK or even George McGovern... well, you better be careful.

    Replies: @RichardTaylor, @AndrewR, @Anonymous Jew, @R.G. Camara

    Mask etiquette is a pretty reliable give away. If not, I mention something about the homeless problem in my whitopia.

  143. @anonymous
    Speaking of academics and cognitive function:

    https://www.twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1369425716895420424

    Replies: @El Dato, @Anonymous Jew, @Achmed E. Newman, @Buffalo Joe, @Half Canadian

    Steve mentioned this before: why not just norm to individual IQ via Wonderlic scores. Problem solved.

  144. @Icy Blast
    @Nodwink

    She's a mediocrity who gained public attention by slandering Tulsi Gabbard. Best to just ignore her/it.

    Replies: @Redman

    I’m not Jewish, but have a lot (probably mostly) Jewish friends and always have. I’m also not blind to the fact that a lot of Jews have a high rate of neuroticism, and a tendency to bloviate. They also can often be extremely funny and perceptive of destructive cultural trends.

    Weiss is definitely in the camp of Jews who feel a strong bond to Israel, and the concomitant (some might say irrational) dislike of Palestinians or of any perceived slight to Israel. I used to feel strongly against this Jewish type. Israel seemed to raise a moral question, and one in which the Jews seemed to be on the wrong side.

    But what’s happening in America today has made me question those negative feelings. The current attack on white maleness reminds us how few white (or white adjacent) males feel compelled to fight back against this cultural trend. This trend is now all-encompassing, impacting almost every sphere of modern life. In this context, Jewish neuroticism no longer looks so zany but, in fact, brave. Weiss has, in my eyes, redeemed herself after the clumsy Tulsi Gabbard faux pas.

    • Replies: @Getaclue
    @Redman

    Hmmm -- and who is really behind all this "attack on white maleness"? Ever hear of The Frankfurt School? Do some research as to what 100% of their "hate YT" ethnicity was? Once you start actually honestly researching the answer as to who is behind all of this-- it is glaringly obvious. The fact they don't want what they are inflicting on YT to happen in Israel is telling as to the malevolence involved in what they are doing.

    I won't belabor the point -- but here -- you don't have to listen to me on this -- listen to these folks as to what is up and what they are purposely doing outside of Israel? They have zero problem in letting you know -- meanwhile others of the same Tribe will deny it to your face....:

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/us3BImSU2vnN/

  145. @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Ben Kurtz

    It's not even clear how much the parents profiled in this article really care about the institutional status and integrity of their children's schools. What Weiss says they really care about -- and I agree with her -- is which institutions their children will be associated with on the next rung of the educational ladder, i.e. universities.

    Here are a few additional paragraphs from Weiss's article:


    The parents in this story are not parents with no other options. Most have the capital—social and literal—to pull their kids out and hire private tutors. That they weren’t speaking out seemed to me cowardly, or worse.

    The cynical answer for their silence is two words: Ivy League. “There are definitively rumors that the school has like, say, three picks for Duke and that if you stand up against this your kid will get blackballed,” says one mother.

    Another explanation is groupthink and social pressure. “Sometimes the smartest people are the easiest ones to fool,” says a father who recently moved his son from one school to another that he judges to be marginally better. “If you made a decision to go on the board of Dalton having espoused all these leftist views forever and you want your kid to get into Harvard, you are not going to stand up and say, ‘wait a second, guys.’ You’re just not going to do it. Most people want to be members of the club.”

    I think it’s true that many people would rather violate their stated principles than be iced out of their social network. But this is a situation that goes beyond getting shunted to a bad table at the Robin Hood gala. To resist this ideology is to go against the entire institutional world.
     
    Yes, Harvard-Westlake is no doubt nice, and its physical plant would take a lot of money to emulate. But trying to build an alternative to the Ivy League is essentially impossible, and these parents know it. With good reason -- at least from their perspective -- they want their kids to be admitted to the right universities. They'll put up with a lot of shit before they will jeopardize this.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Twinkie, @YetAnotherAnon, @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Hibernian, @Forbes, @Patrick McNally, @Achmed E. Newman, @anon

    Some years ago, a family friend was a top executive at the largest industrial company in the US, with responsibilities that included HR (personnel & labor union relations). Every three years they would cull headcount (non-union) by dropping the bottom 10% performers (based on annual performance reviews).

    And while the company recruited from colleges and universities across the country, the Ivies were just as proportionally represented in the dismissals–they didn’t represent higher employment prospects or performance. The real world acts as a giant leveler as compared to the narrow realm of academics.

    My own experience with two HS friends who matriculated at Harvard was their reporting that most of us (their friends) could perform quite handily at Harvard–the academics weren’t especially difficult. It was getting in that was difficult.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Forbes

    And while the company recruited from colleges and universities across the country, the Ivies were just as proportionally represented in the dismissals–they didn’t represent higher employment prospects or performance. The real world acts as a giant leveler as compared to the narrow realm of academics.

    But GE didn't have a particular Ivy jones. Welch himself was an Amherst , U of Illinois-Champaign-Urbana guy. In those law firms and merchant bankers that pride themselves on Ivy league recruitment, you can bet the Ivies represent higher employment prospects.

  146. @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Ben Kurtz

    It's not even clear how much the parents profiled in this article really care about the institutional status and integrity of their children's schools. What Weiss says they really care about -- and I agree with her -- is which institutions their children will be associated with on the next rung of the educational ladder, i.e. universities.

    Here are a few additional paragraphs from Weiss's article:


    The parents in this story are not parents with no other options. Most have the capital—social and literal—to pull their kids out and hire private tutors. That they weren’t speaking out seemed to me cowardly, or worse.

    The cynical answer for their silence is two words: Ivy League. “There are definitively rumors that the school has like, say, three picks for Duke and that if you stand up against this your kid will get blackballed,” says one mother.

    Another explanation is groupthink and social pressure. “Sometimes the smartest people are the easiest ones to fool,” says a father who recently moved his son from one school to another that he judges to be marginally better. “If you made a decision to go on the board of Dalton having espoused all these leftist views forever and you want your kid to get into Harvard, you are not going to stand up and say, ‘wait a second, guys.’ You’re just not going to do it. Most people want to be members of the club.”

    I think it’s true that many people would rather violate their stated principles than be iced out of their social network. But this is a situation that goes beyond getting shunted to a bad table at the Robin Hood gala. To resist this ideology is to go against the entire institutional world.
     
    Yes, Harvard-Westlake is no doubt nice, and its physical plant would take a lot of money to emulate. But trying to build an alternative to the Ivy League is essentially impossible, and these parents know it. With good reason -- at least from their perspective -- they want their kids to be admitted to the right universities. They'll put up with a lot of shit before they will jeopardize this.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Twinkie, @YetAnotherAnon, @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Hibernian, @Forbes, @Patrick McNally, @Achmed E. Newman, @anon

    This is why total decline is necessary before any rejuvenation is possible. Until Harvard rots away completely there will be many well-to-do people who simply find it more advantageous to go along to get along. That, in turn, facilitates the rot even further.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    @Patrick McNally

    Harvard is older than the United States (by a lot). The rot you're waiting for may be utter collapse. Even then, Harvard would rise up before a new US could.

    , @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Patrick McNally


    Until Harvard rots away completely . . .

     

    Big-name universities are at a high point historically in terms of their prestige and power. Quite a few of the big names globally are 400-800 years old. Other than maybe the Roman Catholic Church, what other institution has enjoyed this kind of stability?

    Unfortunately, there is a big difference between 'rotting' and 'rotting away completely'. How long are you prepared to wait?

  147. Is this bidirectional? In other words, the essay deals with the issue of parents fearing that their children are being curated into little monsters. But is it also the case that woke-educated children believe that their parents are monsters?

  148. @SFG
    "Why should I care about these people?"

    If you mean why should I have any sympathy for their suffering... you shouldn't. They're rich and privileged and if they have to go to NYU instead of Harvard the connections will make up the difference. If they get colon cancer you shouldn't feel guilty making 'new asshole' jokes.

    If you mean why should I have any interest in the outcome of this... you should. They're rich and privileged and revolts among elites (as Steve has said) can have substantial effects downstream. Neocons (parenthesized or otherwise) are going to be a lot more sympathetic to attempts to dismantle affirmative action (particularly because their own kids' hides are on the line) than Wokists. They're venal and selfish...of course they are, that's how they got where they were (along with nepotism, ethnic nepotism, and the hard work of their grandparents).

    Also, the more rich and powerful people who get uneasy with the left, the easier it will be to tip the balance of power back in a desirable direction. You don't have to like them. Politics has always made strange bedfellows. Revolutions are usually accompanied by ideological lack of resolve on the elites' part (look at the French one, where Enlightenment ideas were popular in salons, or the Russian one, where late Czarist intellectuals were constantly denouncing the Czarist system). You want to weaken and divide them.

    Just make it pretty clear this country is not going into any more wars on Israel's behalf. Not so explicitly...'end to endless war' and the like. Heck, you've got Soros and Koch both contributing to Quincy...I suspect the age of American hegemony is over.

    Replies: @RichardTaylor, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @JohnnyWalker123

    A lot of good points.

    Perhaps we are seeing the beginning of a struggle between ultra-rich Jews and semi-affluent Jews. The latter, having more limited resources and still having to compete in the economy, perceive the “Woke” to be a threat to their children’s futures. So they may form a temporary alliance of convenience with the right. Sort of how a lot of them threw their support behind Giuliani during the 90s.

    • Agree: Hibernian, RichardTaylor
  149. @Desiderius
    No baseball diamond.

    There's your problem.

    Replies: @68W58

    I thought so at first as well, but you can see it upon close inspection. Look closer to the bottom of the picture and you will see a circle (the mound), then look to the right and you can see the foul lines converge, with the first base line crossing over onto the Soccer/Football field. It appears they have artificial turf over both playing fields.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @68W58

    Pretty sure that’s for discus, hammer, and shot. Olympic sports are higher status.

  150. (Bari Weiss) only cares about making sure people don’t start noticing who is doing all this stuff. like Ben Shapiro and Dennis Prager and Yoram Hazony, she is just another gatekeeper, performing her function well. otherwise she’s a mediocre nobody. the entire Breitbart operation is set up for this same function.

  151. So Americans are poorly educated, they’re social Justice parasites. Where will big companies get their top employees?

    Thirty-seven of the nation’s biggest companies gave Bloomberg data on the racial compositions of their “management,” “professional,” and “other” workers. The resulting piece is headlined “New Data Expose Precisely How White and Male Some U.S. Companies Are.”

    The more striking results concern Asians.

    In professional roles, whites are actually underrepresented at most of these companies: 20, by my count. Even in management roles, they’re underrepresented at seven. Asians, by contrast, are underrepresented in just three companies for management roles and in no companies for professional roles. Asians are just 5.8 percent of the American population, but at eleven of these companies they make up more than a quarter of the managers and a quarter of the professionals.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/big-companies-asian-overrepresentation-problem/

  152. speaking of that, how’s it going with Dave Portnoy’s quest to never rest until somebody goes to jail for RobinhoodGate?

    do you think new, Biden appointed SEC Chairman Gary Gensler is looking into the people who blocked trades from happening? or is he looking into the people who tried to make those trades? who is more likely to go to jail? Robinhood executives? or Keith Gill?

  153. @Jack D
    @Nodwink

    Even assuming your characterization of what she did in college is accurate (it isn't), Bari Weiss is 36 years old so you are referring to things that she did 15 or more years ago.

    What Weiss really did was protest against the anti-Israel propaganda Arab professors at Columbia were feeding to their students. For example, when a Jewish student asked an Arab professor teaching an Arabic language class he was taking how to use the verb, 'prevent,' the professor wrote on the board, `Israel prevents ambulances from going into refugee camps.'

    In general, she fought against the fashionable anti-Semitism of the Left (which is sold under the guise of "anti-Zionism" but in fact is just thinly disguised anti-Semitism). And don't give me any BS about how Arabs are Semites too - "anti-Semitism" is just a 19th century German euphemism for Jew-hate and has nothing to do with any Semitic people other than the Jews. Don't make the mistake of thinking that just because these people hate Jews and you hate Jews too that these people are somehow your friends, because they aren't. They don't have anything good in mind for you either.

    Replies: @Sean, @AndrewR, @SFG, @Mr. Anon, @International Jew, @JohnnyWalker123, @Anonymous, @tommytomtom, @ATBOTL

    What about anti-White propaganda? Did “Bari Weiss” fight against that?

    People like her are fairweather friends. They’re turning anti-Woke not because they have a problem with the basic social order of the last few decades, but because they just want to dial back the intensity by a notch. They support the new world order, but they don’t want to see themselves and friends&family have to endure suffering to achieve it.

  154. This is a nationwide, coordinated effort.

    Regarding the Harvard-Westlake 20-page document:

    Our town government has declared racism a “public health emergency!” They have appointed a committee on Diversity, Inclusion and Equity (DIE.)

    A solution looking for a problem.

    An organization in our town is pushing the same things on our schools. They have produced a document outlining the changes they are agitating for our schools to make. It is the same kind of thing described by Harvard-Westlake. It is signed by more than 500 residents and former graduates of our high school. Who organized this, and why?

    We are an affluent part of the US, the kind of place where many children end up going to the Ivy League afterward. They go straight from our public schools, no Harvard-Westlake required.

    Our selectmen (that’s an old, New England term for city council) appointed said committee, and that was followed up by the aforesaid recommendations to the school board by a supposedly private, independent group.

    Our population is 92% White and the median household income is $187,000. We are a small town with ZERO need for a DIE committee. We have no racial issues whatsoever. We do indeed have some affluent residents from places like India and China (no surprise) and there is no mistreatment or rudeness. None whatsoever

    As for this nationwide, coordinated effort, my biggest questions are the journalistic ones: Who? What? Where? Why?

    Seriously, where is this coming from, such that it reaches into every nook and cranny of America?

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Buzz Mohawk

    This is the price you pay for staying white.

    More specifically for forcing everyone else to stop to keep you living in the style to which you've become accustomed. The pretense is that they deserve it. Your conscience is soothed by pretending you do too.

    You collectively. We'd all appreciate it if you individually would get the rest to call the whole thing off.

    , @anon
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Seriously, where is this coming from, such that it reaches into every nook and cranny of America?

    That would be the 1% money at work. I would be surprised if the Tides foundation (Soros) is not involved, but even if not there are plenty of other billionaires on board. Watching CNBC the sheer intensity of "Must have board members of color on every company! NOW!" is somewhat surprising. The push from last summer hasn't stopped.

    It is surely a mix of true believers and cynical manipulators. Do the Koch brothers really believe in Critical Race Theory, or are they just willing to go along in order to hobble those with less wealth?

    The overproduction of elites will lead to advanced forms of competition, and upping the ante on political indoctrination of a form that causes harm to the majority of Americans is pretty clever.

    Because the parents who send their aspiring Ivy Leaguers to places like Westlake are generally not wealthy. They are high income to be sure, but that doesn't map to wealth. A finance type and a plastic surgeon who both put in 50 - 60 or more hours per week and thus pull down high six figures are high income but they are not at all in the same league with a couple of actual billionaires who own chunks of landscape and other things that throw off income all the time.

    , @Redman
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I know people keep telling me that this has been a gradual shift in social views for a period of time. But it doesn't feel that way to me. It seems that since the entrance of Trump on the scene, the news media, Hollywood and higher education have ratcheted up the "wokeness" to 11. Race is everywhere and everything.

    There was always something fishy about the way Trump was labelled a "racist" (meaning against blacks). As a fan of late 80s and early 90s rap, it always seemed to me he was well liked in the black community. He owned a football team and was heavily involved in the major black sport of boxing, even coming to the aid of Mike Tyson when he was accused of rape by a less than credible woman.

    The McNeil firing by the NYT was an eye opener, since it showed definitively that the "n-word" is the knew "jehovah."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDe9msExUK8

    Replies: @Patrick McNally

    , @RegretLeft
    @Buzz Mohawk

    "Seriously" indeed! - it is extremely totalitarian - cumulatively so (every nook)

    The National Socialists in Germany starting in 1933 called it Gleichschaltung - Co-ordination

    very simply: getting everyone to same the same thing about everything

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Oligarchs (Soros, Pritzker, etc).

    https://www.unz.com/estriker/american-oligarchs-i-the-pritzkers-and-transgenderism/

    https://www.unz.com/article/are-these-antifa-blm-riots-a-jewish-coup/

  155. Anonymous[709] • Disclaimer says:

    Yes, if you don’t like it, build your own Harvard-Westlake.

    In a sort of gestational metamorphosis the duckling/grub Libertarians of left & right have at last achieved their swan/butterfly form, the cartoon Monopoly man maybe w/ giant monocle added for extra sneer HP. Aspie ideas have consequences

  156. @PhysicistDave
    Sailer asked:

    Why do the Woke get away with their piracy so often?
     
    I think the reason is simple: they are willing to band together to ostracize, boycott, or cancel anyone who does not get with the program, whereas most ordinary, decent Americans are repelled by this sort of lynch mob behavior.

    Why isn't Tucker or Hannity or Trump organizing a boycott of Bed, Bath, and Beyond for kicking out Mike Lindell's products?

    Because that just doesn't "feel right" to most of us. We want to live in a country in which people are not penalized financially or career-wise for their political or religious opinions. I don't ask my barber or my plumber what his political views are and then reject him if they are different from mine.

    We think this is a great achievement that America works this way.

    Except it no longer does.

    We might not have the luxury of thinking this way any longer.

    Personally, I hate it: I do not want to carefully vet either the businesses I patronize or my friends or neighbors based on their political opinions.

    But we may have no choice.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Squid, @SimplePseudonymicHandle, @Achmed E. Newman, @Desiderius, @nebulafox, @JimB, @JohnnyWalker123, @vinteuil, @Kylie

    Not necessarily. During the Bush-era, conservatives slandered anyone who was anti-war as “unpatriotic” and “soft on terrorism.” Many anti-war media personalities and politicians had their careers ruined. That had a chilling effect on public discourse and even today continues to make Americans hesitant to speak up about war crimes overseas.

    2 decades later, and millions of people are dead overseas. Trillions of dollars have been wasted. Mostly because nobody has the guts to criticize the US military and risk being called “unpatriotic” and “soft on terrorism.”

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Not necessarily. During the Bush-era, conservatives slandered anyone who was anti-war as “unpatriotic” and “soft on terrorism.”

    No, David Frum tossed a spear at a mess of people associated with the Rockford Institute. He didn't have to slander Thomas Fleming. He just had to quote things he'd said, verbatim and in context. Fleming had, among other things, made Chronicles a mouthpiece for violent Serb particularists, costing the magazine about 2/3 of its audited circulation.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Mr. Anon, @anon, @Nicholas Stix

    , @PhysicistDave
    @JohnnyWalker123

    JohnnyWalker123 wrote to me:


    During the Bush-era, conservatives slandered anyone who was anti-war as “unpatriotic” and “soft on terrorism.” Many anti-war media personalities and politicians had their careers ruined. That had a chilling effect on public discourse and even today continues to make Americans hesitant to speak up about war crimes overseas.
     
    Yeah, I remember that and I hated it. The main reason that I have refrained from calling myself a "conservative" for half a century now.

    I used to call myself a "libertarian," but now the "Libertarian" Party candidate praises BLM (real "libertarian" -- burning down private property, terrorizing innocent people, and destroying people's livelihoods).

    The one ray of hope is that what I think of as the new opposition has the guts to oppose war, to defend the Bill of Rights, to expose the Deep State. I know Trump only gave lip service, but there are now bright and articulate public people -- Mollie Hemingway, our own Steve Sailer, etc. -- who really do want peace and liberty and to allow people to live normal human lives.

    And there are tens of millions who agree with them.

    The battle is not yet over.
  157. @PhysicistDave
    @Nodwink

    Nodwink wrote:


    Bari Weiss spent most of her college years trying to cancel Palestinian activists on campus. I would be very suspicious of anything written by her; Weiss has a reputation for distortion, exaggeration, or straight out falsehoods.
     
    Perhaps, but for many of us in California it rings true. We had one neighbor with whom we could freely discuss our opinions: alas, she passed away right before Christmas (in her mid-nineties). My kid at UCLA can talk freely with a handful of the other engineering majors. Otherwise, she has to be careful.

    It's reaching the point that you send little signals that maybe you are not really PC to sound people out, and then if they respond, you can talk.

    Let me make clear: I'm not talking about alt-Right, white supremacists, etc. If you hold the views of JFK or even George McGovern... well, you better be careful.

    Replies: @RichardTaylor, @AndrewR, @Anonymous Jew, @R.G. Camara

    Must’ve been those dang dirty Catholics, eh, bigot?

    Perhaps you can draw a parallel from this to how dumb Catholic mass is, ya ignorant turd?

    BTW, any luck merely googling “how did Caesar pay his armies” instead of cluttering up the comment section, you sub-100 IQ wretch?

    • Thanks: PhysicistDave
    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @R.G. Camara

    R.G. Camara wrote to me:


    you sub-100 IQ wretch
     
    Hey, RG, my friend -- hope you and your loved ones are doing well.

    I do have a 4.0 GPA from Caltech, and a PhD in elementary-particle physics from Stanford, and I am also co-inventor on a number of patents. Admittedly, my 800 on the SAT was only in math; I was marginally lower on the verbal SAT.

    I think perhaps we can let everyone here judge whether it is you or I who more likely has an IQ below 100.

    RG also wrote to me:

    Must’ve been those dang dirty Catholics, eh, bigot?
     
    RG, over the decades, I have had a number of friends, not to mention relatives, who are Roman Catholics. I do not hate Catholics. I do disagree with them.

    If anyone wants to know why RG is so mad at me, I mentioned quite a while ago that of course most Americans do not accept the Catholic dogma of transubstantiation, simply because most Americans are not Catholics. Obviously, people who do accept that dogma are accepting it because of the religious group to which they belong.

    I am genuinely curious as to whether RG can point to anyone who accepts that dogma who is not a member of a religious group that promulgates the dogma.

    Anyway, for some weird reason, my pointing out that of course acceptance of transubstantiation is tied to membership in a particular religious group has deeply unhinged my friend RG.

    Which is really quite funny, since I am quite sure that even RG himself does know that almost no one accepts transubstantiation unless they are part of a religious group that pushes it.

    You take care, RG!

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy, @Hibernian

  158. @Muggles
    I think this Maoism (or Red Guardism) in the Ivy Leagues, and now their 1% feeder prep schools, is what is and will totally devalue any extra "value" from being an Ivy grad.

    With this thick layer of open bias and political thuggery, they are become the academic versions of the Golden Globes, Emmys, Grammys and Oscars.

    Increasingly "entertainment"awards are being churned out on Woke grounds by limiting or creating categories that only certain pets can even compete for or win. Few of the winners or even nominees these days are selected on a popularity basis. Which sexually confused starlet wins next?

    Now who cares who "wins" these trinkets? Didn't Uncle Harvey Weinstein finally reveal why who wins and who doesn't. Even back in the early 2000s his bribery was the stuff of Vanity Fair articles. Such crassness was reported as normal. That's now Woke Quota stuff, not mere cash.

    So winning these trinkets does little for ticket or music product sales. I think the degradation of the Ivys has the same effect. Mr. businessman/or Ms., who do you hire, the Brown grad or Texas A&M grad?

    Replies: @DextersLabRat, @Desiderius, @AndrewR

    who cares who “wins” these trinkets?

    Our rulers

  159. @Buzz Mohawk
    This is a nationwide, coordinated effort.

    Regarding the Harvard-Westlake 20-page document:

    Our town government has declared racism a "public health emergency!" They have appointed a committee on Diversity, Inclusion and Equity (DIE.)

    A solution looking for a problem.

    An organization in our town is pushing the same things on our schools. They have produced a document outlining the changes they are agitating for our schools to make. It is the same kind of thing described by Harvard-Westlake. It is signed by more than 500 residents and former graduates of our high school. Who organized this, and why?

    We are an affluent part of the US, the kind of place where many children end up going to the Ivy League afterward. They go straight from our public schools, no Harvard-Westlake required.

    Our selectmen (that's an old, New England term for city council) appointed said committee, and that was followed up by the aforesaid recommendations to the school board by a supposedly private, independent group.

    Our population is 92% White and the median household income is $187,000. We are a small town with ZERO need for a DIE committee. We have no racial issues whatsoever. We do indeed have some affluent residents from places like India and China (no surprise) and there is no mistreatment or rudeness. None whatsoever

    As for this nationwide, coordinated effort, my biggest questions are the journalistic ones: Who? What? Where? Why?

    Seriously, where is this coming from, such that it reaches into every nook and cranny of America?

    Replies: @Desiderius, @anon, @Redman, @RegretLeft, @JohnnyWalker123

    This is the price you pay for staying white.

    More specifically for forcing everyone else to stop to keep you living in the style to which you’ve become accustomed. The pretense is that they deserve it. Your conscience is soothed by pretending you do too.

    You collectively. We’d all appreciate it if you individually would get the rest to call the whole thing off.

  160. @Nodwink
    Bari Weiss spent most of her college years trying to cancel Palestinian activists on campus. I would be very suspicious of anything written by her; Weiss has a reputation for distortion, exaggeration, or straight out falsehoods.

    Replies: @Icy Blast, @PhysicistDave, @Danindc, @anonymous, @Jack D, @Paperback Writer, @Paperback Writer, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @AndrewR, @bomag, @Jilla, @R.G. Camara, @Colin Wright

    Don’t forget, Joe Rogan completely exposed Bari Weiss as a sub-100 IQ bot on his show, merely by asking her basic questions as to how she formed her political opinions on various subjects, e.g. Tulsi Gabbard.

    Weiss admitted she only formed her opinions based on rumor and how others viewed a subject, didn’t do any independent research, and actually didn’t even know the very meaning of the words she was repeating about Gabbard, e.g. she called Gabbard an Assad “toadie” then mentioned she didn’t know what the word meant.

    To embarrass her, Rogan merely pulled up the definition of the word and Weiss admitted she was wrong about it. Then quizzed her on what made Gabbard so bad and Weiss couldn’t actually form a coherent argument; she was merely a CIA asset repeating their verbage.

    Here’s far-left Jimmy Dore roasting this uniformed worm’s meltdown on Rogan.

    And City Journal hired this hack? Pathetic. I guess they want the CIA’s opinion mainlined in their magazine.

    • Replies: @anon
    @R.G. Camara

    Thank you very much for the timely reminder of just how ignorant and airheaded Bari Weiss actually is. The fact that this featherbrain was on the editorial board of the NY Times would strongly suggest that a certain form of (((nepotism))) is alive and very well, if it wasn't totally impossible.

    Also strong evidence that verbal facility need not be associated with very much intelligence.

    Replies: @black sea

  161. @ic1000
    My oldest and their spouse flew in for a short visit from Acela Corridor City, where they are each successful in the early/mid stage of a STEM/Health-care career.

    Really nice visit, except where the conversation crossed into politics. E.g. one of them has Kendi's best-seller on the bedside table -- not for a workplace-mandated struggle session, but for personal enrichment.

    The other one gets to see a parade of People With Medical Problems every day, reflects on that, and concludes... white oppression and structural racism are to blame.

    The shift in the Overton Window is real. This weekend drove home how wide the gap is yawning, between the way that many commenters here see the world -- and how most smart, educated normal white folks see it.

    Vetting possible coalition allies like Bari Weiss for purity may not be the best strategy at the moment.

    Replies: @anon, @S. Anonyia, @Desiderius

    That ain’t success, champ.

    Sorry about that. Sometimes they get better.

    • Replies: @ic1000
    @Desiderius

    > That ain’t success, champ.

    I wasn't asking for either pity or snark. The comment was offered as "singular of data."

    > Sometimes they get better.

    Time will tell. For all of us.

  162. Woke race-baiting does suck. But capitalism sucks, too. Capitalism is why we have tent cities. Why all working people are in constant terror of losing their “jobs” and sleeping in tent cities. If they can afford a tent. There is probably good old capitalist freemarket competition amongst who has a tent and who don’t, down on Kensington Avenue, and Echo Park.

  163. @anonymous
    Speaking of academics and cognitive function:

    https://www.twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1369425716895420424

    Replies: @El Dato, @Anonymous Jew, @Achmed E. Newman, @Buffalo Joe, @Half Canadian

    Uh, oh, during discovery won’t it come out that they got this idea from iSteve or one of you commenters? It wasn’t me! I don’t give a crap about NFL and usually don’t comment under those posts, … whewwww…

    – A.E. Newman’s lawyer, dba Achmed E. Newman…. I OWN NOTHING!

  164. @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Ben Kurtz

    It's not even clear how much the parents profiled in this article really care about the institutional status and integrity of their children's schools. What Weiss says they really care about -- and I agree with her -- is which institutions their children will be associated with on the next rung of the educational ladder, i.e. universities.

    Here are a few additional paragraphs from Weiss's article:


    The parents in this story are not parents with no other options. Most have the capital—social and literal—to pull their kids out and hire private tutors. That they weren’t speaking out seemed to me cowardly, or worse.

    The cynical answer for their silence is two words: Ivy League. “There are definitively rumors that the school has like, say, three picks for Duke and that if you stand up against this your kid will get blackballed,” says one mother.

    Another explanation is groupthink and social pressure. “Sometimes the smartest people are the easiest ones to fool,” says a father who recently moved his son from one school to another that he judges to be marginally better. “If you made a decision to go on the board of Dalton having espoused all these leftist views forever and you want your kid to get into Harvard, you are not going to stand up and say, ‘wait a second, guys.’ You’re just not going to do it. Most people want to be members of the club.”

    I think it’s true that many people would rather violate their stated principles than be iced out of their social network. But this is a situation that goes beyond getting shunted to a bad table at the Robin Hood gala. To resist this ideology is to go against the entire institutional world.
     
    Yes, Harvard-Westlake is no doubt nice, and its physical plant would take a lot of money to emulate. But trying to build an alternative to the Ivy League is essentially impossible, and these parents know it. With good reason -- at least from their perspective -- they want their kids to be admitted to the right universities. They'll put up with a lot of shit before they will jeopardize this.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Twinkie, @YetAnotherAnon, @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Hibernian, @Forbes, @Patrick McNally, @Achmed E. Newman, @anon

    Thanks for putting in this additional excerpt, Calvinist. (No matter what the commenters say above, this writer sounds pretty solid here at least.)

    The parents in this story are not parents with no other options. Most have the capital—social and literal—to pull their kids out and hire private tutors. That they weren’t speaking out seemed to me cowardly, or worse.

    Right, cowardice, but at the root is a lack of integrity. I’ve not seen a comment here on that yet, or from our esteemed blogger. It’s like this:

    You can explain to me about the expensive kindergartens in NYC, this Westlake school, the Ivies, making connections, all of it. These parents, who obviously care enough about all that not to speak up against the PC bullshit do not have integrity. They are setting a bad example for their kids. I don’t care how many connections their kids are going to make, what kind of job they’ll end up with, and what kind of money they’ll make.

    Their kids will pick up the same lack of integrity. Right is right, and wrong is wrong, and there’s someone else to answer to at some point besides “The Ivies!”

    • Agree: Abe, sayless
    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Isn't a lack of integrity just another form of moral cowardice in the end?

    When I read the Divine Comedy, I was struck by an early passage where Dante goes past the souls of those who never committed themselves to anything beyond immediate personal winds in life, good or bad, right outside the Acheron. Until you get to the 9th Circle, everybody in the Inferno wants to be remembered for posterity: even in hell, that human drive doesn't die, and Dante indulges that. But Dante doesn't talk to the souls next door to hell. Indeed, Virgil implies that those souls , the "cattivo coro", aren't worth discussing or paying attention to.

    It's really nothing more than that. The only difference is the total, complete lack of shame.

  165. @Desiderius
    @ic1000

    That ain't success, champ.

    Sorry about that. Sometimes they get better.

    Replies: @ic1000

    > That ain’t success, champ.

    I wasn’t asking for either pity or snark. The comment was offered as “singular of data.”

    > Sometimes they get better.

    Time will tell. For all of us.

  166. Anonymous[384] • Disclaimer says:

    Also, is H-W rigorous? I know it’s expensive, and probably dumps some % of STEM drones on the academic market. I mean is it common to graduate there without writing more than one 10-page structured document of the quality they might expect at U. Chicago or at a job? The one skill these schools do seem to inculcate, however, is the art of self-publicity. Whether the practical success of their pupils in that is more of a treatment or selection effect is beyond me. Exhibit A, 2021’s It Girl, Taylor “International Woman” Lorenz:
    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/437259/

  167. Anonymous[385] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    @Nodwink

    Even assuming your characterization of what she did in college is accurate (it isn't), Bari Weiss is 36 years old so you are referring to things that she did 15 or more years ago.

    What Weiss really did was protest against the anti-Israel propaganda Arab professors at Columbia were feeding to their students. For example, when a Jewish student asked an Arab professor teaching an Arabic language class he was taking how to use the verb, 'prevent,' the professor wrote on the board, `Israel prevents ambulances from going into refugee camps.'

    In general, she fought against the fashionable anti-Semitism of the Left (which is sold under the guise of "anti-Zionism" but in fact is just thinly disguised anti-Semitism). And don't give me any BS about how Arabs are Semites too - "anti-Semitism" is just a 19th century German euphemism for Jew-hate and has nothing to do with any Semitic people other than the Jews. Don't make the mistake of thinking that just because these people hate Jews and you hate Jews too that these people are somehow your friends, because they aren't. They don't have anything good in mind for you either.

    Replies: @Sean, @AndrewR, @SFG, @Mr. Anon, @International Jew, @JohnnyWalker123, @Anonymous, @tommytomtom, @ATBOTL

    TBF that is a handy Arabic phrase to know.

  168. No snark or pity intended.

    That recognition turned my entire life around. Never too late.

  169. @Jack D
    @Nodwink

    Even assuming your characterization of what she did in college is accurate (it isn't), Bari Weiss is 36 years old so you are referring to things that she did 15 or more years ago.

    What Weiss really did was protest against the anti-Israel propaganda Arab professors at Columbia were feeding to their students. For example, when a Jewish student asked an Arab professor teaching an Arabic language class he was taking how to use the verb, 'prevent,' the professor wrote on the board, `Israel prevents ambulances from going into refugee camps.'

    In general, she fought against the fashionable anti-Semitism of the Left (which is sold under the guise of "anti-Zionism" but in fact is just thinly disguised anti-Semitism). And don't give me any BS about how Arabs are Semites too - "anti-Semitism" is just a 19th century German euphemism for Jew-hate and has nothing to do with any Semitic people other than the Jews. Don't make the mistake of thinking that just because these people hate Jews and you hate Jews too that these people are somehow your friends, because they aren't. They don't have anything good in mind for you either.

    Replies: @Sean, @AndrewR, @SFG, @Mr. Anon, @International Jew, @JohnnyWalker123, @Anonymous, @tommytomtom, @ATBOTL

    I really don’t understand why conservative anti-Semites hate Israel so much. If you don’t like Jews so much, why not let them have their own country away from you?

    • Replies: @peterike
    @tommytomtom


    I really don’t understand why conservative anti-Semites hate Israel so much. If you don’t like Jews so much, why not let them have their own country away from you?
     
    Strawman nonsense. Conservatives anti-Semites, like me, couldn't care less about Israel as such. What I object to is (1) their malign influence -- indeed control -- of American foreign policy which results in (2) trillions of dollars being spent by America to fight Israel's battles and (3) countless thousands of dead and wounded Americans serving as Israel's canon fodder.

    Why has America fought one single battle in the Middle East? Why should we give a damn about all those miserable, misbegotten countries and their endless Muslim feuds? Why do we give a single dime to Israel, much less billions directly and trillions indirectly via fighting their battles?

    I don't care if Israel exists (if you ignore things like it being a major conduit of global human trafficking). But I don't care if Israel doesn't exist, either. I don't care if Israel is destroyed by Iran, and I equally don't care if Iran is destroyed by Israel. I have no connection or concern with any of it. And I don't want my country to, either.

    , @Jack D
    @tommytomtom

    When my father was a young man, the chant of the Polish anti-Semites was "Jews to Palestine".

    Now, anti-Semites chant, "Jews out of Palestine".

    You might begin to think that they really don't want Jews to live anywhere....

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @nebulafox
    @tommytomtom

    How do you figure that? Most conservative GOP voters are very Judeophilic and pro-Israel, almost ludicrously so. Israeli flags are not an uncommon sight in private Protestant schools in places like rural Texas.

    (Myself, I've got nothing in particular against Israel or Israelis. I just insist on treating it like the foreign country it is, not the 51st state as GOP hacks are wont to do. When Israeli and American interests collide, the latter win, the former lose for me, as simple as it is when dealing with any other country.)

  170. @SFG
    @Jack D

    Someone needs to make a joke about a Pole, a Nazi, and a Jew walking into a bar. (Everything was fine until someone else in the bar needed to get some gas...work on it for me.)

    It's entirely possible for two groups to hate a third group and still be bitter enemies. (Look at the Middle East!) I think most of the people here are under less threat from Bari Weiss than they are from Ibram Kendi at this particular juncture-- more wars for Israel are unlikely at this point in time, and anyway we have an all-volunteer force so you could just tell your kids to stay out of the army--but the neocon betrayal was pretty bad so I don't blame people for being suspicious.

    Not that you'd ever trust her (in general almost any famous person is obsessed with power and status and constantly trying to aggrandize themselves, just like almost any famous scientist is obsessed with their field), but I think enough of the elites are starting to get threatened you might see enough indecision among the commanding heights to substantially weaken or repeal affirmative action laws with the next Republican government. I wouldn't trust Bari Weiss herself in a coalition. I mean, you'd have to keep her on a tight leash...OK, never mind, I'll see myself out.

    Replies: @Thomas, @Single malt

    …the bar tender is Italian. The Jew orders mineral water, the bar tender asks “with gas?”

  171. anon[278] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    This is a nationwide, coordinated effort.

    Regarding the Harvard-Westlake 20-page document:

    Our town government has declared racism a "public health emergency!" They have appointed a committee on Diversity, Inclusion and Equity (DIE.)

    A solution looking for a problem.

    An organization in our town is pushing the same things on our schools. They have produced a document outlining the changes they are agitating for our schools to make. It is the same kind of thing described by Harvard-Westlake. It is signed by more than 500 residents and former graduates of our high school. Who organized this, and why?

    We are an affluent part of the US, the kind of place where many children end up going to the Ivy League afterward. They go straight from our public schools, no Harvard-Westlake required.

    Our selectmen (that's an old, New England term for city council) appointed said committee, and that was followed up by the aforesaid recommendations to the school board by a supposedly private, independent group.

    Our population is 92% White and the median household income is $187,000. We are a small town with ZERO need for a DIE committee. We have no racial issues whatsoever. We do indeed have some affluent residents from places like India and China (no surprise) and there is no mistreatment or rudeness. None whatsoever

    As for this nationwide, coordinated effort, my biggest questions are the journalistic ones: Who? What? Where? Why?

    Seriously, where is this coming from, such that it reaches into every nook and cranny of America?

    Replies: @Desiderius, @anon, @Redman, @RegretLeft, @JohnnyWalker123

    Seriously, where is this coming from, such that it reaches into every nook and cranny of America?

    That would be the 1% money at work. I would be surprised if the Tides foundation (Soros) is not involved, but even if not there are plenty of other billionaires on board. Watching CNBC the sheer intensity of “Must have board members of color on every company! NOW!” is somewhat surprising. The push from last summer hasn’t stopped.

    It is surely a mix of true believers and cynical manipulators. Do the Koch brothers really believe in Critical Race Theory, or are they just willing to go along in order to hobble those with less wealth?

    The overproduction of elites will lead to advanced forms of competition, and upping the ante on political indoctrination of a form that causes harm to the majority of Americans is pretty clever.

    Because the parents who send their aspiring Ivy Leaguers to places like Westlake are generally not wealthy. They are high income to be sure, but that doesn’t map to wealth. A finance type and a plastic surgeon who both put in 50 – 60 or more hours per week and thus pull down high six figures are high income but they are not at all in the same league with a couple of actual billionaires who own chunks of landscape and other things that throw off income all the time.

    • Agree: Alden
  172. @Twinkie
    @Peter Akuleyev

    They seem to want to play tribunes - I would think that elite markers are a mild disadvantage in that role.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @tommytomtom, @nebulafox

    Cruz and Cotton are frauds, the others time will tell. But the kind of explosive leader we need will likely not come from the Ivies (and this could be decades away).

  173. @Buzz Mohawk
    This is a nationwide, coordinated effort.

    Regarding the Harvard-Westlake 20-page document:

    Our town government has declared racism a "public health emergency!" They have appointed a committee on Diversity, Inclusion and Equity (DIE.)

    A solution looking for a problem.

    An organization in our town is pushing the same things on our schools. They have produced a document outlining the changes they are agitating for our schools to make. It is the same kind of thing described by Harvard-Westlake. It is signed by more than 500 residents and former graduates of our high school. Who organized this, and why?

    We are an affluent part of the US, the kind of place where many children end up going to the Ivy League afterward. They go straight from our public schools, no Harvard-Westlake required.

    Our selectmen (that's an old, New England term for city council) appointed said committee, and that was followed up by the aforesaid recommendations to the school board by a supposedly private, independent group.

    Our population is 92% White and the median household income is $187,000. We are a small town with ZERO need for a DIE committee. We have no racial issues whatsoever. We do indeed have some affluent residents from places like India and China (no surprise) and there is no mistreatment or rudeness. None whatsoever

    As for this nationwide, coordinated effort, my biggest questions are the journalistic ones: Who? What? Where? Why?

    Seriously, where is this coming from, such that it reaches into every nook and cranny of America?

    Replies: @Desiderius, @anon, @Redman, @RegretLeft, @JohnnyWalker123

    I know people keep telling me that this has been a gradual shift in social views for a period of time. But it doesn’t feel that way to me. It seems that since the entrance of Trump on the scene, the news media, Hollywood and higher education have ratcheted up the “wokeness” to 11. Race is everywhere and everything.

    There was always something fishy about the way Trump was labelled a “racist” (meaning against blacks). As a fan of late 80s and early 90s rap, it always seemed to me he was well liked in the black community. He owned a football team and was heavily involved in the major black sport of boxing, even coming to the aid of Mike Tyson when he was accused of rape by a less than credible woman.

    The McNeil firing by the NYT was an eye opener, since it showed definitively that the “n-word” is the knew “jehovah.”

    • Replies: @Patrick McNally
    @Redman

    I've noted before that what we're seeing is Obama-AIPAC Schizophrenia in motion. Since 1970 there has been a growing split within the Jewish psyche as it relates to the USA, but also more globally since the USA is a global power. Between the end of WWII and on through the 1960s most Jews tended to balance in their minds the twin visions of themselves as Israel-firsters and humanitarian activists trying to fight for civil rights. But after 1970 this came under a strain. All of the main Civil Rights Acts had been passed so one couldn't really say in an obvious way that "systemic racism" was holding blacks back. At the same time, the power became increasingly overt and brazen. It even started coming into conflict with some black leaders who started showing some awareness of Jewish power as something a bit more than just a "helpful ally" in the civil rights struggle.

    But everything exploded during Obama's Presidency. Lots of Jews had been living much of their whole life in preparation for celebrating "the first black President in office." But instead Obama's 2 terms in office were predominated by his endless conflicts with Netanyahu. Neocons had wanted McCain to become President and do with Iran what Bush II had done with Iraq. Instead Obama blatantly defied Israeli wishes, more so than any President since JFK. To avoid the kinds of difficulties which occurred for the latter President, Obama followed a pattern of hyping "white supremacy" as a way of binding confused Jewish voters to him.

    No one should imagine that Obama was secretly enacting Netanyahu's 4d-chess. No, the conflict between the Obama administration and the Likud in Israel was very real. But the endless talk of "if I had a son" was a way of masking the real underlying political conflict. Very few average Jewish campaigners here in the USA were willing to target Obama as an enemy of Netanyahu as long as he was relentlessly hyping the "white racism" angle. That talk served as a Linus blanket so that no could really comment on the true underlying relations between blacks and Jews for those 8 years.

    When Trump got into office all that he really ever wanted to do was patch things up with Netanyahu and turn the USA back into an obedient lapdog of AIPAC. I refused to vote for Trump in 2016 because I was sure that he was planning to attack Iran once he got established in office. I still suspect that that was his original plan. But if so he took some time to measure the climate temperature and decided that this would not be a good idea. Instead Trump threw out the earlier arrangements with Iran worked under Obama and also dropped some occasional bombs but never went all the way. I think that this may have cost him the election. If Trump had started bombing Iran then I can readily imagine Pence calling for Congress to vote for the President and Trump possibly gaining a 2nd term.

    But what really sent off an explosion after Trump took office was that the vast majority of average Jewish activists all across the USA did not want to have to admit in their own minds that Netanyahu was happier with Trump than with Obama. They wanted the white Republican who succeeded Obama to be a raving mad white supremacist who vowed to make soap and lampshades out of Jews. To have to admit that the 1st black President had frustrated Netanyahu's hope of McCain invading Iran and that the new white Republican President was on better terms with Israel than Obama had been, that was just too much. This is the source of Obama-AIPAC Schizophrenia and it had fed a level of craziness which can not be properly accounted for from just rational calibrations.

  174. @kaganovitch
    @Jack D

    If your car is not running well, the solution is to find out what is wrong with it and try to fix it, not to set the car on fire.

    But Yale is not your car, it is the car that your enemy is driving trying to run you over in the street.

    Replies: @tommytomtom

    Exactly. Yale/the Ivies produce nothing of value, their just training grounds for future rent-seekers. And being an Ivy graduate does not usually help you join the upper-class — it qualifies you to become a servant of the upper class

  175. @Ben Kurtz
    Matt Yglesias' comment ('why not just build your own
    private school, hurr durr) reminds me of the long-forgotton distinction between businesses and institutions. Businesses come and go; you can take them or leave them. Only the owners and employees are all that deeply invested. But institutions, sometimes, are things that are worth fighting for, even if you have had no specially large role in them. Because they serve a greater good; or they stand at the hub of a community; or they are particularly hard to replace.

    Institutional status isn't strictly confined to public versus private ownership or non-profit versus for-profit status. Schools -- public or private -- are institutions. Churches and synagogues too. Banks are financial institutions -- says so right in the name. So is the county courthouse and the state mental asylum; in their heyday the railroads were institutions and so was the Post Office, but those slid (or are sliding) into mere business status as technology and evolving lifestyles make them less central to our lives.

    I'll turn my back on Target and Starbucks with barely a second thought -- their repellent habits of injecting absurd ideology into their business routines deserves nothing but scorn, and there are plenty of other shops in this world. But I actually volunteer my time to certain of my local institutions because I want to help them succeed and remain dedicated to honest and wholesome values.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Paperback Writer, @Art Deco, @clifford brown

    But institutions, sometimes, are things that are worth fighting for,

    Name one.

  176. This junk is happening everywhere, including back in my old home state of Silly-nois:

    The Illinois State Board of Education has implemented “NEW TEACHING STANDARDS TO BETTER SERVE DIVERSE POPULATION OF STUDENTS”

    Read the whole sham here https://www.isbe.net/Lists/News/NewsDisplay.aspx?ID=1349 but note the subheading “CULTURALLY RESPONSIVE TEACHING AND LEADING STANDARDS ENSURE EDUCATORS FROM ALL BACKGROUNDS CAN TEACH ILLINOIS’ INCREASINGLY DIVERSE STUDENTS”

    The key takeaways are:

    [MORE]

    The standards support inclusion and equity for students by guiding educators to:

    – Self-reflect and gain a deeper understanding of how their life experiences affect their perspectives;
    – Understand that systems in our society create and reinforce inequities;
    – Learn from and about their students’ cultures, languages, and learning styles to make instruction more meaningful and relevant to their students’ lives;
    – Value students’ feedback and leadership;
    – Support and create opportunities for student advocacy;
    – Develop relationships with families and the community;
    – Curate the curriculum to include and represent a wide spectrum of identities; and
    – Ensure the diversity of the student population is represented within the broader learning environment.

    Of course we’ll need to teach the teachers. So how’s that working out?

    https://thefederalist.com/2021/03/05/illinois-teachers-shamed-for-color-of-their-skin-in-taxpayer-sponsored-antiracist-training/

    This strikes close to (my former) home. The incident in question happened in Naperville. Now goodness knows I’ve made fun of Naperville over the years at this blog (I have relatives that live there and near there), but it falls into the perfect iSteve template:

    “Educators at a public high school in Illinois were astonished to learn when they showed up for work one day that everything from the color of their skin to snow shoveling indicates “systemic racism.”

    On Feb. 26, Naperville 203 Community Unit School District hosted a systemic racism training for faculty and staff, bringing in “antiracist” coach Dena Simmons for a keynote speech. The Countywide Equity Institute featured 10 speakers lecturing on “equity and inclusion” practices for “marginalized and/or underrepresented” students, as well as implicit bias and microaggressions.”

    “A whistleblower who reached out to The Federalist, a teacher at Naperville Central High School, claims Simmons told attendees that “our education is based on a foundation of whiteness” and that Americans “are spiritually murdering” students. Simmons also reportedly said that if you are not an “antiracist” you are a racist, even if you believe “you are treating people with respect.””

    Sound familiar?

    “The whistleblower said Simmons’ lecture was “all over the place” and “hard to follow” content-wise. Simmons reportedly said “snow removal” indicates systemic racism, presumably referencing a viral Feb. 3 column published by the Los Angeles Times in which the author condemned her Republican neighbor for plowing her driveway.

    “At one point she was talking even about how snow removal is affected by systemic racism. She totally lost me on that one. I even texted that to my [partner],” said the whistleblower.”

    Check the link to see screenshots from the presentation.

    So the standards I linked to from the ISBE “include an article on “white fragility” and form the basis for training sessions—like that at Naperville—for teachers to “move past their whiteness.” Educators are required to admit that there is systemic racism or “that there are systems in our society that create and reinforce inequities, thereby creating oppressive conditions.””

    So the entire state has decided to get stuck on stupid. And the teachers doubled down:

    https://thefederalist.com/2021/03/09/naperville-ill-teachers-double-down-in-support-of-racially-divisive-training/

    “A petition titled “Educators who support Dena Simmons & District 203’s Equity work,” started after the article by Phoebe Conner, a learning behavior specialist at Naperville North High School, has 243 signatures as of writing.

    “I, Phoebe Conner, strongly stand with Dena Simmons and the other institute day presenters, which included student panels made up of individuals with disabilities, Black students, Asian-American students, LGBTQ+ students, Muslim students, and Hispanic/Latinx students. I fervently denounce The Federalist article, I vociferously denounce discrimination and prejudice everywhere,” Connor writes. “I promise to continue to do the anti-racist and other reflective work needed to be the best educator I can be for all of my students. And to be the best person I can be for all beings. I am thankful to District 203 for providing the professional development our staff needs in order to effectively serve our community and I ask the district to continue to provide such resources and trainings.””

    I also hereby denounce hoarders, wreckers, and kulaks – Phoebe Conner.

    So I remember back in the aftermath of the housing bubble Steve pointed out the big selling point for buying a bigger, more expensive house was “Good Schools”. Well the whole state has decided if we cannot ALL have good students, then none shall have good schools. And none shall have decent resale values.

    And in the midst of all this, parents want their children back in Naperville schools: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/parents-from-9-school-districts-to-hold-rally-in-downtown-naperville-demanding-students-return-to-the-classroom/ar-BB1enZkD

    Madness.

  177. Jews are the global ruling class. You need a favor done, you pay off a powerful Jew.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Ari Ben-Menashe is a world class grifter. He is a serial fabulist who claims to have been involved in every Mossad operation ever from Iran contra on .He only doesn't claim to have captured Eichmann personally because he was only nine at the time. His getting 2 million from the Burmese is a tribute not to his Jewish power , of which he has none, but to the credulity of the Myanmar junta and ABM's sociopathic ability to b.s.

  178. @anonymous
    Yeah, I really feel sorry for those folks who can afford $40k yearly for school tuition. They are worried about shaming? How cowardly can people get? These people have become a decadent, spineless breed of jellyfish. To this mere peon it seems that with that sort of money one can write one's own ticket: private tutors, shopping around for a different school, etc. Enough of them could organize their own school were they desperate enough. They'll just have to forego the making connections and networking part. To think that Davy Crockett died at the Alamo so that a bunch of people who'll end up running things could be such cringing wimps.

    Replies: @Marquis, @Aardvark, @kaganovitch, @Paperback Writer, @Not Only Wrathful

    No one’s asking you to feel sorry for them. I don’t give a shit about them, in fact, I rather enjoy their suffering – but we need to take note of this.

    No man is an island,
    Entire of itself.
    Each is a piece of the continent,
    A part of the main.
    If a clod be washed away by the sea,
    Europe is the less.
    As well as if a promontory were.
    As well as if a manor of thine own
    Or of thine friend’s were.
    Each man’s death diminishes me,
    For I am involved in mankind.
    Therefore, send not to know
    For whom the bell tolls,
    It tolls for thee.

    Moral: don’t be a clod.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Paperback Writer

    http://www.luminarium.org/sevenlit/donne/meditation17.php

  179. OT, but apart from the fact that “holograms” don’t exist, I feel we are really in a Disneyland Dystopia.

    Hill reporter suggests Democrats could use BIDEN HOLOGRAM to ‘handle his public speeches’

    Attkisson acknowledges a recent public poll that found half of Americans are questioning whether Biden is physically and mentally up to the task of the presidency, and that over half are concerned about his lack of press conferences – he will reportedly host one before the end of the month. She says “officials in the administration” have told her they are “mulling far-fetched speculation that, upon further examination, starts to look almost like it is not completely outside the realm of the possible.”

  180. @Muggles
    I think this Maoism (or Red Guardism) in the Ivy Leagues, and now their 1% feeder prep schools, is what is and will totally devalue any extra "value" from being an Ivy grad.

    With this thick layer of open bias and political thuggery, they are become the academic versions of the Golden Globes, Emmys, Grammys and Oscars.

    Increasingly "entertainment"awards are being churned out on Woke grounds by limiting or creating categories that only certain pets can even compete for or win. Few of the winners or even nominees these days are selected on a popularity basis. Which sexually confused starlet wins next?

    Now who cares who "wins" these trinkets? Didn't Uncle Harvey Weinstein finally reveal why who wins and who doesn't. Even back in the early 2000s his bribery was the stuff of Vanity Fair articles. Such crassness was reported as normal. That's now Woke Quota stuff, not mere cash.

    So winning these trinkets does little for ticket or music product sales. I think the degradation of the Ivys has the same effect. Mr. businessman/or Ms., who do you hire, the Brown grad or Texas A&M grad?

    Replies: @DextersLabRat, @Desiderius, @AndrewR

    whom do you hire

  181. Why didn’t someone ask Solzhenitsyn why the free market didn’t solve his problems with Stalinism?

    I mean, if you don’t like the gulag, just build your own gulag-free lifestyle, I guess.

    This “free market” gotcha shit from libs is annoying but to be fair boomer cons did spend a ton of time droning on about how America is the land of the free market. A mistake younger right-wingers raised on internet censorship are not making.

    • LOL: photondancer
  182. @Twinkie
    @Peter Akuleyev

    They seem to want to play tribunes - I would think that elite markers are a mild disadvantage in that role.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @tommytomtom, @nebulafox

    I have a feeling the US is going to be jumping straight past to Sulla at this rate.

    Even the louche personal life would be an advantage, because it is at least authentic: part of Trump’s success was nothing more than that, after all. Moralizing mixed with venality is never likeable. People can take one or the other, rarely both.

  183. @Twinkie
    @The Last Real Calvinist


    But trying to build an alternative to the Ivy League is essentially impossible, and these parents know it. With good reason — at least from their perspective — they want their kids to be admitted to the right universities. They’ll put up with a lot of shit before they will jeopardize this.
     
    The solution is not to build an alternative to the Ivy League. The solution is to let the Ivy League destroy itself with its own medicine* (and I write this as a totally disgusted alumnus of the Ivies - seriously, to borrow from Michael Brown's father, "Burn this bitch down!").

    I say all of us should pressure the Ivy League to take more and more "underrepresented minorities." 25% isn't enough. It should be 50%. No, better yet, blacks and Hispanics should be 75% of the student bodies (the rest being underachieving, lazy scions of privileged Jews per Ron Unz's "American Meritocracy"). The Ivies should be shamed into taking more of them until they are completely packed with students who can't hack it in real life.

    *It's really too bad that Trump doesn't have the control of the Justice Department anymore - when Yale was self-flagellating and virtue-signaling about its own racism, it was really brilliant to say, "Oh, really? Did you know that that's against the law and we must investigate you now?"

    Replies: @anon, @Peter Akuleyev, @Jack D, @Hermes, @RegretLeft

    Not only is it against the law, but Yale had annually signed certifications that they did not discriminate on the basis etc etc – and then during the GFloyd struggle session said in fact they DID discriminate and had long done so.

    Whether Yale had thereby certified fraudulently is why US Dept of Ed opened an investigation – (now, I presume, dropped)

  184. @Achmed E. Newman
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Thanks for putting in this additional excerpt, Calvinist. (No matter what the commenters say above, this writer sounds pretty solid here at least.)


    The parents in this story are not parents with no other options. Most have the capital—social and literal—to pull their kids out and hire private tutors. That they weren’t speaking out seemed to me cowardly, or worse.
     
    Right, cowardice, but at the root is a lack of integrity. I've not seen a comment here on that yet, or from our esteemed blogger. It's like this:

    You can explain to me about the expensive kindergartens in NYC, this Westlake school, the Ivies, making connections, all of it. These parents, who obviously care enough about all that not to speak up against the PC bullshit do not have integrity. They are setting a bad example for their kids. I don't care how many connections their kids are going to make, what kind of job they'll end up with, and what kind of money they'll make.

    Their kids will pick up the same lack of integrity. Right is right, and wrong is wrong, and there's someone else to answer to at some point besides "The Ivies!"

    Replies: @nebulafox

    Isn’t a lack of integrity just another form of moral cowardice in the end?

    When I read the Divine Comedy, I was struck by an early passage where Dante goes past the souls of those who never committed themselves to anything beyond immediate personal winds in life, good or bad, right outside the Acheron. Until you get to the 9th Circle, everybody in the Inferno wants to be remembered for posterity: even in hell, that human drive doesn’t die, and Dante indulges that. But Dante doesn’t talk to the souls next door to hell. Indeed, Virgil implies that those souls , the “cattivo coro”, aren’t worth discussing or paying attention to.

    It’s really nothing more than that. The only difference is the total, complete lack of shame.

    • Agree: Desiderius
  185. “Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of folks”

    Hollyweird Jews have been at the forefront–heck one of the main pinchers–in propagandizing minoritarianism and generally pissing on the people and culture who built America. F’ them. And probably 70-80% of the other whites there are good white collaborators. F’ them too.

    Now they are having a little discomfort getting minoritarianism shoved up their ass–as the lies and anti-nationalist, anti-white policies they support have been doing to middle class Americans for decades. Boo ‘effing hoo.

    Harvard-Westlake is “white” privilege.

    Why should these people have “freedom of association” for their kids, when they’ve fought against it for middle and working class flyover country gentiles?

    Until there are vouchers for everyone, i say shut this bitch down. Let’s pass a law that the children, grandchildren, the “posterity” of the 1% must go to public schools whose demographics match the ethnic, racial, and income demographics of their metro area–right down to immigrant status, correct percentage of children of illegal aliens.

    Harvard-Westlake? It can be repurposed as a processing center for illegal aliens claiming asylum. No more “children in cages”!

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @AnotherDad

    >Harvard-Westlake is “white” privilege.

    I don't think it's specifically "white": Asians, Hispanics, and blacks from the same social milieu voice the same pieties. But it's noteworthy to look at how the all-time fetishization of differences that are superficial (whether it is stuff you can't control, like your race, or trite things like cuisine) coincides with an all-time disdain for actual, meaningful differences: how you think, how you view life and the world around you, your traditions.

    It's not an accident that the same people who have turned diversity into a religion champion the notion of erasing global cultural differences and turning the world into a gigantic box store. And it's kind of weird, but being an old-school non-universalist nationalist (i.e, a "racist", which as we all know is now on the same moral level as being a child molester) can lead to one appreciating the fact that the world is more interesting when it isn't a gigantic box store.

  186. E Michael Jones on the alienation of church property, specifically Notre Dame university I think in the 1970s.

    Jones documented Rev. Theodore Hesburgh’s alienation of Notre Dame from the Catholic faith and Hesburgh’s collaboration with the Rockefellers to undermine Church teaching on contraception which led to that theft of Church property.

    https://culturewars.com/e-michael-jones

  187. @Buzz Mohawk
    This is a nationwide, coordinated effort.

    Regarding the Harvard-Westlake 20-page document:

    Our town government has declared racism a "public health emergency!" They have appointed a committee on Diversity, Inclusion and Equity (DIE.)

    A solution looking for a problem.

    An organization in our town is pushing the same things on our schools. They have produced a document outlining the changes they are agitating for our schools to make. It is the same kind of thing described by Harvard-Westlake. It is signed by more than 500 residents and former graduates of our high school. Who organized this, and why?

    We are an affluent part of the US, the kind of place where many children end up going to the Ivy League afterward. They go straight from our public schools, no Harvard-Westlake required.

    Our selectmen (that's an old, New England term for city council) appointed said committee, and that was followed up by the aforesaid recommendations to the school board by a supposedly private, independent group.

    Our population is 92% White and the median household income is $187,000. We are a small town with ZERO need for a DIE committee. We have no racial issues whatsoever. We do indeed have some affluent residents from places like India and China (no surprise) and there is no mistreatment or rudeness. None whatsoever

    As for this nationwide, coordinated effort, my biggest questions are the journalistic ones: Who? What? Where? Why?

    Seriously, where is this coming from, such that it reaches into every nook and cranny of America?

    Replies: @Desiderius, @anon, @Redman, @RegretLeft, @JohnnyWalker123

    “Seriously” indeed! – it is extremely totalitarian – cumulatively so (every nook)

    The National Socialists in Germany starting in 1933 called it Gleichschaltung – Co-ordination

    very simply: getting everyone to same the same thing about everything

  188. Related good news. It seems that there is a comprehensive law suit in the works taking aim at all of New York City’s selective schools. All of them, from K through 12. The primary allegation is that New York City has the most segregated public school system in the country and that this is by design, resulting in inferior education for blacks and latins. (Running out of white people, ha, ha, ha). One of the remedies for this disparity will be to essentially dismantle all the selective schools, being the case that minorities don’t perform as well on the selective exams as their white and asian peers and thus are segregated into lesser schools. This heartens and gladdens me but I KNOW that this is causing extreme anguish in Park Slope, Williamsburg and the Upper West side. You live long enough and you can catch some blessings on the rebound.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/09/nyregion/nyc-schools-segregation-lawsuit.html?smid=tw-share

  189. @AnotherDad
    "Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of folks"

    Hollyweird Jews have been at the forefront--heck one of the main pinchers--in propagandizing minoritarianism and generally pissing on the people and culture who built America. F' them. And probably 70-80% of the other whites there are good white collaborators. F' them too.

    Now they are having a little discomfort getting minoritarianism shoved up their ass--as the lies and anti-nationalist, anti-white policies they support have been doing to middle class Americans for decades. Boo 'effing hoo.


    Harvard-Westlake is "white" privilege.

    Why should these people have "freedom of association" for their kids, when they've fought against it for middle and working class flyover country gentiles?

    Until there are vouchers for everyone, i say shut this bitch down. Let's pass a law that the children, grandchildren, the "posterity" of the 1% must go to public schools whose demographics match the ethnic, racial, and income demographics of their metro area--right down to immigrant status, correct percentage of children of illegal aliens.

    Harvard-Westlake? It can be repurposed as a processing center for illegal aliens claiming asylum. No more "children in cages"!

    Replies: @nebulafox

    >Harvard-Westlake is “white” privilege.

    I don’t think it’s specifically “white”: Asians, Hispanics, and blacks from the same social milieu voice the same pieties. But it’s noteworthy to look at how the all-time fetishization of differences that are superficial (whether it is stuff you can’t control, like your race, or trite things like cuisine) coincides with an all-time disdain for actual, meaningful differences: how you think, how you view life and the world around you, your traditions.

    It’s not an accident that the same people who have turned diversity into a religion champion the notion of erasing global cultural differences and turning the world into a gigantic box store. And it’s kind of weird, but being an old-school non-universalist nationalist (i.e, a “racist”, which as we all know is now on the same moral level as being a child molester) can lead to one appreciating the fact that the world is more interesting when it isn’t a gigantic box store.

  190. @Paperback Writer
    @anonymous

    No one's asking you to feel sorry for them. I don't give a shit about them, in fact, I rather enjoy their suffering - but we need to take note of this.


    No man is an island,
    Entire of itself.
    Each is a piece of the continent,
    A part of the main.
    If a clod be washed away by the sea,
    Europe is the less.
    As well as if a promontory were.
    As well as if a manor of thine own
    Or of thine friend's were.
    Each man's death diminishes me,
    For I am involved in mankind.
    Therefore, send not to know
    For whom the bell tolls,
    It tolls for thee.
     
    Moral: don't be a clod.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    • Thanks: Paperback Writer
  191. @68W58
    @Desiderius

    I thought so at first as well, but you can see it upon close inspection. Look closer to the bottom of the picture and you will see a circle (the mound), then look to the right and you can see the foul lines converge, with the first base line crossing over onto the Soccer/Football field. It appears they have artificial turf over both playing fields.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    Pretty sure that’s for discus, hammer, and shot. Olympic sports are higher status.

  192. @Paperback Writer
    @Nodwink

    Weiss criticized one Joseph Massad, which inspired the now-disgraced Anthony Weiner to call upon Columbia to fire him. He's got tenure, so that wouldn't happen. It was a politician making political hay out of a hot topic, and since when has that happened? Since forever.

    And even if Weiss were as much of a creep as you make her out to be, it wouldn't affect whether she is telling the truth about wokeness now. She isn't telling the half of it.

    Replies: @guest007

    Remember, just because some one is tenured does not mean the university has to keep paying them a salary.

  193. GOOD,GREAT, COULD NOT BE HAPPIER. In four years we will all be equal. Equally pissed off that is. And as an aside, my grand daughter who graduates from a private Cleveland school this year after just three years and who has finished 10 college courses was informed that Ohio State was not giving merit based scholarships this year. Equity you know.

  194. @RichardTaylor
    @SFG


    I suspect the age of American hegemony is over.
     
    We're a huge continental power, protected by two oceans, with weak nations to the north and sough. We're energy and food independent.

    We have 6,000 nuclear warheads and the world's largest military by far. We're totally safe at home and can lean on anybody we need to.

    The net assets of the USA are something like $120 trillion. We have decades before anything like a "collapse" could happen. We also have the most advanced science and technical research facilities on earth.

    My guess is the USA will be the most powerful country on earth in the 2,100 AD. China may have a much larger economy, but it will dependent on us for innovation. The Chinese are good at copying us, like the Japanese (but not as good)

    Also, China is surrounded by major powers that are hostile to it (such as Japan that colonized it not so long ago). The Chinese have never, in 2,000 years, attacked even India which ain't that far away. Genes and culture matter. They aren't cut out for it. Neither are the Indians.

    God knows Latin America will always be 3rd tier due to race-mixing over the centuries, pushed by the "God loves all and we can all be Catholics" worldview. And Africa? They ain't kicking nobody's ass.

    So, just playing the cold odds, we're still be the best bet for number one in 2100.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @clifford brown, @neutral

    We have decades before anything like a “collapse” could happen.

    How many, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5?

    It’s already happening.

    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
    @Hibernian

    It depends on what we mean by collapse. If we mean Mad Max, prepper dreamscape, then never. That won't ever happen.

    If we mean a stagnating standard of living for Whites, and perhaps a long slow decline, that's already happening, I agree (although some technology helps in the other direction).

    But the USA isn't going to suddenly disappear. It will keep having all the assets I listed above. The key problem, the racial destruction of Whites, is a long slow process. I don't know that ancient Aryan India ever "collapsed". It just fell into misery over the centuries due to breeding out Whites.

    But that's a very long process. The USA will have all the assets I listed above for generations.

  195. Why do the Woke get away with their piracy so often?

    First, they are assumed to be the Good Guys and skeptics are the Bad Guys.

    Second, Wokeness appeals to people who are meaner, stupider, uglier, and less fair-minded than their peers, but we have a culture in which nobody is allowed to point that out and remain in polite society. So the Woke are using their vices to take over rich institutions.

    I think you are completely misreading this.

    Woke ideology is not undermining Elite Institutions, Woke ideology is what makes an institution elite. It is a feature, not a bug. The purpose of elite private schools like Harvard-Westlake is two fold. First to indoctrinate the future elite into values of elite society, and second to get such students admitted into the Ivy League or comparable elite universities. That’s it.

    On both accounts Harvard-Westlake is serving its students by embracing so-called Wokeness. Elite universities are increasingly no longer considering standardized testing. Harvard-Westlake students are very intelligent, but they likely are too comfortable to compete with driven lower income Asian students. Objectively, Harvard-Westlake is the utter embodiment of White Privilege so its students must make amends for their perceived disqualifying status.

    To obtain acceptance to the Ivy League and succeed in Elite America, Harvard-Westlake students must be conversant in Woke Ideology and be able to explain why they are fully committed to the Ruling Party Ideology. In this respect acceptance to Harvard University is prefaced as much on commitment to Elite Ideology as acceptance to Moscow State University in 1921 would be conditioned on commitment to the Communist Party.

    We are far along in the looting phase of American Imperial Collapse. Ideology is the gatekeeper to an ever stagnant Elite. Elite competition in a declining state will be increasing bitter where no redemption for those who stray from the party line is possible. In this respect, Harvard-Westlake is serving the interests of its students and society at large.

  196. @Almost Missouri


    “They are making my son feel like a racist because of the pigmentation of his skin,” one mother says. …

    ... They worry about losing their jobs or hurting their children if their opposition to this ideology were known.

    ... “Then you’ll be blacklisted from all the private schools and you’ll be known as a racist, which is worse than being called a murderer.” …

    “And he said: ‘Dude, that’s dangerous ground you’re on in our friendship.’ ”

    That fear is shared, deeply, by the children. ...“If you publish my name, it would ruin my life. People would attack me for even questioning this ideology.” ...“The kids are scared of other kids,” says one Harvard-Westlake mother.

    The atmosphere is making their children anxious, paranoid, and insecure—and closed off from even their close friends. “My son knew I was talking to you and he begged me not to,” another Harvard-Westlake mother told me. “... he told me that one bad statement from me will ruin us. This is the United States of America. Are you freaking kidding me?”
     

     
    Hey liberals! This is where your liberalism was always headed! Whether you supported the New Deal in the 1930s, "Civil Rights" in the 1960s, or political correctness in the 1990s, this is where it was always going. Welcome to the world you helped to build while you piously denounced those who correctly foresaw the fruits of your folly.

    Also, this is not yet the endpoint. Any chance you'll own your errors before the wheel of wokeness remorselessly crushes you as it crushed so many innocents before you to your zealous cheering?

    Now taking bets...

    Replies: @Jim Christian, @stillCARealist, @Forbes, @Buffalo Joe

    Almost Missouri, no button that says Great Post, so I will type it out.

  197. @Anon
    @Art Deco

    This. As a tenured prof at a good school that has gone nuts i am desperate to get out. These people could create schools that employ people like me. But the kids would not get a job at goldman. Those jobs are for people who have taken the ticket. Borrowing a line from Vox Day.

    Replies: @jilla2, @Art Deco, @HA, @Anon, @anonymous

    I work on Wall Street and what I’ve seen is that even in investment banking – the top echelon of most firms – companies are starting to move beyond the top tier schools into non-target schools.

    In my area, where we once hired a lot of people with big name MBAs, we’re now hiring people who would have had trouble getting an operations job 20 years ago.

    I think this is some combination of young people shifting their interest to tech from finance as well as Wall Street being too competitive post-2008 to hire people with sh!tty attitudes. this isn’t to say that MBAs from top notch schools aren’t overrepresented, but Wall Street has become a lot more democratized.

    tech, at least on the engineering side, has always focused outside of the ivy league.

    it’ll be interesting to see if degrees from elite schools will still be a ticket to a high-paying corporate job ten years from now. i personally think these schools have jumped the shark.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @jilla2

    Thanks.

    , @Hibernian
    @jilla2

    At some point, possibly in the '90s, Harvard Law became so PC they were hurting their reputation and dropping into a 2 or 3 way tie with Stanford and/or Yale for No. 1 instead of being the undisputed No. 1 they had always been. They then dialed down the PC at least a little, at least for a while.

  198. @tommytomtom
    @Jack D

    I really don't understand why conservative anti-Semites hate Israel so much. If you don't like Jews so much, why not let them have their own country away from you?

    Replies: @peterike, @Jack D, @nebulafox

    I really don’t understand why conservative anti-Semites hate Israel so much. If you don’t like Jews so much, why not let them have their own country away from you?

    Strawman nonsense. Conservatives anti-Semites, like me, couldn’t care less about Israel as such. What I object to is (1) their malign influence — indeed control — of American foreign policy which results in (2) trillions of dollars being spent by America to fight Israel’s battles and (3) countless thousands of dead and wounded Americans serving as Israel’s canon fodder.

    Why has America fought one single battle in the Middle East? Why should we give a damn about all those miserable, misbegotten countries and their endless Muslim feuds? Why do we give a single dime to Israel, much less billions directly and trillions indirectly via fighting their battles?

    I don’t care if Israel exists (if you ignore things like it being a major conduit of global human trafficking). But I don’t care if Israel doesn’t exist, either. I don’t care if Israel is destroyed by Iran, and I equally don’t care if Iran is destroyed by Israel. I have no connection or concern with any of it. And I don’t want my country to, either.

  199. @PhysicistDave
    Sailer asked:

    Why do the Woke get away with their piracy so often?
     
    I think the reason is simple: they are willing to band together to ostracize, boycott, or cancel anyone who does not get with the program, whereas most ordinary, decent Americans are repelled by this sort of lynch mob behavior.

    Why isn't Tucker or Hannity or Trump organizing a boycott of Bed, Bath, and Beyond for kicking out Mike Lindell's products?

    Because that just doesn't "feel right" to most of us. We want to live in a country in which people are not penalized financially or career-wise for their political or religious opinions. I don't ask my barber or my plumber what his political views are and then reject him if they are different from mine.

    We think this is a great achievement that America works this way.

    Except it no longer does.

    We might not have the luxury of thinking this way any longer.

    Personally, I hate it: I do not want to carefully vet either the businesses I patronize or my friends or neighbors based on their political opinions.

    But we may have no choice.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Squid, @SimplePseudonymicHandle, @Achmed E. Newman, @Desiderius, @nebulafox, @JimB, @JohnnyWalker123, @vinteuil, @Kylie

    they are willing to band together to ostracize, boycott, or cancel anyone who does not get with the program, whereas most ordinary, decent Americans are repelled by this sort of lynch mob behavior.

    And, all the while, they play the victim.

    The Reds cry out in pain as they strike you.

  200. @anon
    @ic1000

    My oldest and their spouse flew in

    Your oldest offspring is involved in the pronoun game and chose "they"? If that's true then all the rest just logically follows.

    Groupthink is powerful. Acela-land is full of it.

    Replies: @ic1000

    > Your oldest offspring is involved in the pronoun game and chose “they”?

    No, anon[482], I should have been clearer. “They” was me blurring the details. The anecdote was a tell-some, not a tell-all.

  201. @anonymous
    Speaking of academics and cognitive function:

    https://www.twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1369425716895420424

    Replies: @El Dato, @Anonymous Jew, @Achmed E. Newman, @Buffalo Joe, @Half Canadian

    ThreeSixThree, I have had at least four concussions, so no laughing matter, but the best thing that ever happened to these black NFL players was that they signed a contract that paid them more in one year than an average college grad made in his/her first ten years. They also got Workers’ Comp and a pension.

  202. anon[206] • Disclaimer says:

    Our local public high school tried to force a diversity unit into the 9th grade World History curriculum a few years ago. I emailed the principal, the department head and teacher raising serious concerns about the content potentially violating the district’s rules on objectivity in presenting controversial material. I also tried to get other parents who I knew were equally upset to join me on the email but only one volunteered, the others didn’t want repercussions on their kids. The principal, who is wildly liberal, to her credit received the criticism well and promised to review and revise the curriculum. The teacher got along great with my kid all 4 years of high school, and he still got into a top 5 college.

    Once, a teacher brought a doctor in to “explain” to the kids how he performed a transgender surgery on him/her. Many parents were very upset and called the principal to complain. The teacher left by the end of the school year.

    These parents just need to grow some balls. If enough parents raise objections, the school will back down, especially since they need the tuition money. And so what if your kid doesn’t get into an elite college? I could care less if my kid got into a top 5. He did and it was nice for him, but I really could not care less. I would’ve been just as happy (maybe happier, much easier on the wallet) if he goes to our local state flagship, which is plenty good for me.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @anon

    First, thank you for doing your part, #206.

    It hasn't gotten to too much of this yet in our school, but something tells me we'll have to opt out for homeschooling when it gets too deep. (They waste just too damn much of the kids' time in school anyway.)

    As for the other parents, whether it's the stupid face-masking stuff, the black history month, or whatever, I can't tell whether most parents don't have the guts to speak up, are too conformist, or just don't care enough. Regarding the latter, they may think that they can counteract all the D.I.E. stuff, but I don't know about that.

    As for your last paragraph, one big AGREE here.

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education

  203. @Buzz Mohawk
    This is a nationwide, coordinated effort.

    Regarding the Harvard-Westlake 20-page document:

    Our town government has declared racism a "public health emergency!" They have appointed a committee on Diversity, Inclusion and Equity (DIE.)

    A solution looking for a problem.

    An organization in our town is pushing the same things on our schools. They have produced a document outlining the changes they are agitating for our schools to make. It is the same kind of thing described by Harvard-Westlake. It is signed by more than 500 residents and former graduates of our high school. Who organized this, and why?

    We are an affluent part of the US, the kind of place where many children end up going to the Ivy League afterward. They go straight from our public schools, no Harvard-Westlake required.

    Our selectmen (that's an old, New England term for city council) appointed said committee, and that was followed up by the aforesaid recommendations to the school board by a supposedly private, independent group.

    Our population is 92% White and the median household income is $187,000. We are a small town with ZERO need for a DIE committee. We have no racial issues whatsoever. We do indeed have some affluent residents from places like India and China (no surprise) and there is no mistreatment or rudeness. None whatsoever

    As for this nationwide, coordinated effort, my biggest questions are the journalistic ones: Who? What? Where? Why?

    Seriously, where is this coming from, such that it reaches into every nook and cranny of America?

    Replies: @Desiderius, @anon, @Redman, @RegretLeft, @JohnnyWalker123

  204. @Anon
    @Art Deco

    This. As a tenured prof at a good school that has gone nuts i am desperate to get out. These people could create schools that employ people like me. But the kids would not get a job at goldman. Those jobs are for people who have taken the ticket. Borrowing a line from Vox Day.

    Replies: @jilla2, @Art Deco, @HA, @Anon, @anonymous

    Dunno. The one person I’ve ever known who landed a job at Goldman was a Bulgarian immigrant who attended a private college that has some cachet, but not as much as the Ivy League or other private research universities.

  205. @anon
    Why do the woke get away with their piracy?

    Think it through. How did Dalton School wind up hiring a perv?

    Barr took over Dalton and recruited CIA's most effective pedo blackmailer.

    Racism is CIA's new basis for kompromat. It's more subjective than fucking kids. It takes evidence to vilify somebody for that. By contrast, you can comb through anybody's DARPA lifelogs and make him out a racist, whatever that is. And once institutionalized, the mass hysteria obscures the real problem, discrimination, by forcing individuals to internalize responsibility for failures of the state.

    The supreme law of the land on discrimination is the CERD, which cramps the state's style in several ways. It applies equally to blacks getting strangled by killer pigs, to Muzzies getting framed for bombings CIA did, to wogs getting blown up abroad, and to goobers getting squeezed out of name-brand schools and jobs by collusive Jew abuse of function.

    Actually, legally, the only wrongful thing is hate speech: that's advocacy of violence or discrimination, period. Very cut-and-dried. With a reservation to ICCPR Article 20 the USG explicitly said that was Okey-dokey - because Article 20 applies to government war propaganda. CIA's using it on Russians now, in the most explicitly racial terms, Russians are genetically this, genetically that.

    CIA has a fake version of human rights, so you can fixate on it and get all pissed off at everybody and rationalize repression. That's all this is.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Think it through. How did Dalton School wind up hiring a perv? Barr took over Dalton and recruited CIA’s most effective pedo blackmailer.

    Wm. Barr’s father was the headmaster of the Dalton School. Epstein was employed there as a math teacher for about two years, ca. 1977, when he was 23 years old.

    While we’re at it, no one has to date accused Epstein of molesting a prepubescent child. His interests were in late-adolescent / post-adolescent girls. (I think there’s been one accusation about a 14 year old).

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    It's very common for men who are interested in post-pubescent teens (of either sex) to be called "child molestors" even though true child molestation is something else.

    Age of consent laws in the US tend to run high by world standards (although clearly they are not enforced in most cases, especially if the other partner is of similar age - if they were then half the teenagers in America would be in jail) - in the range of 16 to 18. Forgetting about uncivilized places in Africa and the Middle East, even in many European countries the age of consent is as low as 14.

    Clearly many young men and women who are 16 and even younger are sexually active, whether or not this is legal. We find it kind of creepy if they choose older men (or women) as their dates but this is really more a matter of taste than something the law should be interested in. In the less prudish 1970s, Woody Allen openly dated the 17 yr old Mariel Hemingway and Seinfeld also had a HS age sweetheart. Epstein has been retconned into some sort of monster but there's a lot of hypocrisy going on. He was not robbing the cradle. These girls were probably giving it away for free to their pimply teenage classmates so they figured that at least with Epstein they could cash in. Now that these same women have hit the Wall, they are suddenly reformed virgins and would like to cash in a second time.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @HA, @Art Deco, @clifford brown, @MBlanc46, @anon, @AnotherDad, @R.G. Camara

    , @Paperback Writer
    @Art Deco


    While we’re at it, no one has to date accused Epstein of molesting a prepubescent child. His interests were in late-adolescent / post-adolescent girls. (I think there’s been one accusation about a 14 year old).
     
    That's true but what's your point?
    , @Alden
    @Art Deco

    You forget the 3 12 year old French girls flown in for a day or 2. Virginia Guiffre who was with Epstein from age 15 to 19 or 20 is the most famous of his girls. But plenty were much younger. And Guiffre was 15 when she first began going to Epstein’s massage room.

    It’s strange Men who accept that they can park here all day but park 4 feet away it’s a $100 fine, or if you pay the mortgage on the 2nd of the month instead of the 1st it harms your credit rating, or they cannot build their dream house unless they put in solar panels and whatever else the local H&S or zoning code demands, or can’t have more than 3 dogs in the house, are so enraged about the different age of consent laws.

    Interesting that the same MEN OF UNZ advocating old fashioned chastity until marriage also advocate that there was nothing wrong with Epstein’s violating age of consent pimping pandering and procuring prostitutes laws.

    He wasn’t just a dirty old creep having sex with girls as young as 12. He was a pimp blackmailer money launderer and embezzler.

    Why worry about Virginia being a prostitute with Andrew compared to what Epstein had been doing for decades?

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @Art Deco

    He did molest children.

    https://twitter.com/DailyMirror/status/1163869717754449922

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @Art Deco

    He did molest children.

    https://twitter.com/DailyMirror/status/1163869717754449922

    Replies: @Jack D

  206. @tommytomtom
    @Jack D

    I really don't understand why conservative anti-Semites hate Israel so much. If you don't like Jews so much, why not let them have their own country away from you?

    Replies: @peterike, @Jack D, @nebulafox

    When my father was a young man, the chant of the Polish anti-Semites was “Jews to Palestine”.

    Now, anti-Semites chant, “Jews out of Palestine”.

    You might begin to think that they really don’t want Jews to live anywhere….

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Jack D

    As for your father and his family, some of these Poles may have been just plain hateful, but for most, their point was "fit in or GTFO". That's pretty reasonable, if you ask me. The creation of modern Israel was a good thing ... though that idea about Madagascar may have been a better idea - more room, fewer neighbors.

    As for nowadays, come on, Jack! Both PeterIke and NebulaFox tell it like it is. There are hardly any Conservatives that are actually against Israel. Lots of Christians nowadays are completely pro-Israel to the point of being 24/7/365 pro-warfare-state. (Are they interpreting the Bible correctly on this? I don't know.) The only people I've heard of steadily through the years (before we had the idiotic idea of having Moslem Congresswomen) get into this pro-Palestinian stuff were lefties at Berzerkely and the like.

    As for me, I don't care that much WTF goes on over there. Because Israel is a much more Western-oriented and decent society than those of the lands around them, I do wish the country well. The Palestinians have had 75 freakin' years to get their shit together. At some point, you make a new plan. They ought to listen to that one Tom Petty song, and take it to heart.

    The main thing real Conservatives (and the few decent lefties left) want is for the this country to stop the warmongering, lots of it on Israel's behalf. It has cost us goodwill built up over arguably 214 years - the founding till the end of the Cold War - an ungodly amount of money, and plenty of lives, both American and foreign.

  207. Back in the real world…….

    City student passes 3 classes in four years, ranks near top half of class with 0.13 GPA

    A shocking discovery out of a Baltimore City high school, where Project Baltimore has found hundreds of students are failing. It’s a school where a student who passed three classes in four years, ranks near the top half of his class with a 0.13 grade point average.

    Tiffany France thought her son would receive his diploma this coming June. But after four years of high school, France just learned, her 17-year-old must start over. He’s been moved back to ninth grade.

    https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/03/baltimore-hs-student-who-passed-only-three-courses-in-four-years-ranks-in-top-half-of-his-class/

  208. @JohnnyWalker123
    @PhysicistDave

    Not necessarily. During the Bush-era, conservatives slandered anyone who was anti-war as "unpatriotic" and "soft on terrorism." Many anti-war media personalities and politicians had their careers ruined. That had a chilling effect on public discourse and even today continues to make Americans hesitant to speak up about war crimes overseas.

    2 decades later, and millions of people are dead overseas. Trillions of dollars have been wasted. Mostly because nobody has the guts to criticize the US military and risk being called "unpatriotic" and "soft on terrorism."

    Replies: @Art Deco, @PhysicistDave

    Not necessarily. During the Bush-era, conservatives slandered anyone who was anti-war as “unpatriotic” and “soft on terrorism.”

    No, David Frum tossed a spear at a mess of people associated with the Rockford Institute. He didn’t have to slander Thomas Fleming. He just had to quote things he’d said, verbatim and in context. Fleming had, among other things, made Chronicles a mouthpiece for violent Serb particularists, costing the magazine about 2/3 of its audited circulation.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Art Deco

    They got Phil Donahue fired. Max Cleland unseated. Dixie Chicks turned into pariahs. The list goes on and on.

    Valuable lessons were learned, which is why no one dares question the sanctity of the US military.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Muggles

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Art Deco


    No, David Frum tossed a spear at a mess of people associated with the Rockford Institute.
     
    What a load of mendacious twaddle. Well, it's to be expected from a nimrod like you.

    Frum presumed to write people out of the conservative movement - to deny them any influence in conservative politics.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2003/03/unpatriotic-conservatives-david-frum/

    For this canadian upstart to question the patriotism of people because they opposed a war built on lies is the height of chutzpah. Among the charges he leveled at them is that they spoke favorably about certain leftists, at least about the views they held on the war. This from a man who has never stood on any genuine conservative principle in his life.

    Frum is a zionist shill and an opportunistic hack. At least he gets paid for it.

    You do it for free. You're just a schmuck.

    , @anon
    @Art Deco

    No, David Frum tossed a spear at a mess of people associated with the Rockford Institute.

    David Frum flatly said anyone not fully on board with the great Mesopotamian adventure should be Drummed out of the Republican party.

    "Unpatriotic Conservatives" apparently has been memoryholed at National Review. Perhaps I can find an image somewhere. I do have this quote from the odious Frum:


    "They have made common cause with the left-wing and Islamist antiwar movements in this country and in Europe. They deny and excuse terror. They espouse a potentially self-fulfilling defeatism. They publicize wild conspiracy theories. And some of them explicitly yearn for the victory of their nation’s enemies."
     
    "They" in this case was actual conservatives who questioned the wisdom of invading Iraq in 2003. Note that neither Frum nor any other cheerleaders for war actually put on a uniform, and that explicitly includes Ben Shapiro who was of an age to volunteer. Instead the warmongers like Frum stood by while ordinary guys from flyover went to the sandbox. Some are my friends. Some were my friends.

    David Frum tossed a giant barrel of mud on a whole lot of people, and now he's pretending he never did that, aided by memoryholers on the Internet who are eager to retcon recent history for reasons.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @Nicholas Stix
    @Art Deco

    So, that's what happened! When I started writing for Chronicles in 1992, it had a circulation of 20,000, but by the end of my time there, in 1998, it was down to 5,000.

    (Apparently, Ted Pappas was my "rabbi" at Chronicles. When Ted left in 1998, to edit Encyclopedia Britannica, Fleming "retaliated" against him, by proxy, by killing a profile Ted had commissioned me to write on Mayor Rudy Giuliani, and cheating me out of even a kill fee.)

  209. OT: You have GOT to be joking…

    https://www.city-journal.org/the-miseducation-of-americas-elites#.YEjIs2J0YZc.twitter

    ‘But physics looks different these days. “We don’t call them Newton’s laws anymore,” an upperclassman at the school informs me. “We call them the three fundamental laws of physics. They say we need to ‘decenter whiteness,’ and we need to acknowledge that there’s more than just Newton in physics.”’

    What’s next? Maxwell’s Laws? Einstein’s theory of special relativity? This is insane. Nobody ever came out of a physics classroom thinking that there wasn’t “more than just Newton in physics”. I know we’ve got bigger issues as a nation, but if we’re denying credit to probably the most gifted left-brain intellect in human history because he was a white Englishman, then we are in trouble.

    • Agree: Hibernian
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @nebulafox

    Could be worse. They could be calling them Kendi's Laws. If Biden can take credit for the light bulb away from Edison and bestow it on a black man, why can't Newton's Laws be renamed also? Just calling them the 3 Fundamental Laws is only the 1st step. Once Newton has been forgotten, the Laws can be reassigned to their rightful Black discoverer. I am not kidding by the way. We are long past the "just kidding" phase. These folks are serious.

    The same thing went on in Germany with Hitler. People thought that they guy was a crank. His ideas were too dumb for sophisticated people to take seriously. There was no Jewish Physics and German Physics, there is only Physics. He would last a few months and then people would come to their senses. Nope. Once the roller coaster passes the apex you have to ride it all the way to the bitter end. You only can only stop when you hit rock bottom.

    , @Elsewhere
    @nebulafox


    ‘But physics looks different these days. “We don’t call them Newton’s laws anymore,” an upperclassman at the school informs me. “We call them the three fundamental laws of physics. They say we need to ‘decenter whiteness,’ and we need to acknowledge that there’s more than just Newton in physics.”’
     
    I can attest that this is a real thing that is happening, and not just in physics. It's not yet forbidden to say Newton's Laws, but some new textbooks rename them based on this justification. They also do not give biographies of scientists unless they are female or nonwhite. Those are shoehorned everywhere they can find.

    The same thing is true in computer science, where "woke" justifications are routinely used to downplay white male accomplishments and play up any contributions of nonwhites and women.
  210. Quote from Stanford Law School:

    Perhaps no institution has reproduced racial hierarchy in the U.S. more than our public education system. From state-sponsored racial segregation of schools to the more subtle, but no less insidious racially segregated academic placements (e.g., special education, advanced placement) to exclusionary school discipline policies to ostensibly “meritocratic” testing and grading policies and beyond, public schools have created and perpetuated racial hierarchy, despite the promise that schools should help all children achieve the American Dream.

    https://law.stanford.edu/education/only-at-sls/law-policy-lab/practicums-2020-2021/the-youth-justice-lab-imagining-an-anti-racist-public-education-system-law-808a/#slsnav-clients-deliverables

  211. @Reg Cæsar
    @RichardTaylor


    ...encourage them to follow the spirt of Rousseau.
     
    Rousseau is the problem, not the solution.


    https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/gzdHpfGihsfNbiZ4PY3KB9-970-80.jpg.webp

    But among the “uppah class” Whites and the Sacred non-White immigrants, say the wrong thing and they hunt you down for the next 40 years.

     

    It was only 21 years in the case of the immigration act of 1787, otherwise known as Article I, Section 9:

    "The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight..."

    Replies: @fish

    Rousseau is the problem, not the solution.

    I’m glad you said it…….

  212. @anonymous
    Speaking of academics and cognitive function:

    https://www.twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1369425716895420424

    Replies: @El Dato, @Anonymous Jew, @Achmed E. Newman, @Buffalo Joe, @Half Canadian

    If I remember correctly, Steve’s suggestion was to use their SAT/ACT score, or even better, their Wonderlic.

  213. @tommytomtom
    @Jack D

    I really don't understand why conservative anti-Semites hate Israel so much. If you don't like Jews so much, why not let them have their own country away from you?

    Replies: @peterike, @Jack D, @nebulafox

    How do you figure that? Most conservative GOP voters are very Judeophilic and pro-Israel, almost ludicrously so. Israeli flags are not an uncommon sight in private Protestant schools in places like rural Texas.

    (Myself, I’ve got nothing in particular against Israel or Israelis. I just insist on treating it like the foreign country it is, not the 51st state as GOP hacks are wont to do. When Israeli and American interests collide, the latter win, the former lose for me, as simple as it is when dealing with any other country.)

    • Agree: Twinkie
  214. @Art Deco
    @anon

    Think it through. How did Dalton School wind up hiring a perv? Barr took over Dalton and recruited CIA’s most effective pedo blackmailer.


    Wm. Barr's father was the headmaster of the Dalton School. Epstein was employed there as a math teacher for about two years, ca. 1977, when he was 23 years old.

    While we're at it, no one has to date accused Epstein of molesting a prepubescent child. His interests were in late-adolescent / post-adolescent girls. (I think there's been one accusation about a 14 year old).

    Replies: @Jack D, @Paperback Writer, @Alden, @JohnnyWalker123, @JohnnyWalker123

    It’s very common for men who are interested in post-pubescent teens (of either sex) to be called “child molestors” even though true child molestation is something else.

    Age of consent laws in the US tend to run high by world standards (although clearly they are not enforced in most cases, especially if the other partner is of similar age – if they were then half the teenagers in America would be in jail) – in the range of 16 to 18. Forgetting about uncivilized places in Africa and the Middle East, even in many European countries the age of consent is as low as 14.

    Clearly many young men and women who are 16 and even younger are sexually active, whether or not this is legal. We find it kind of creepy if they choose older men (or women) as their dates but this is really more a matter of taste than something the law should be interested in. In the less prudish 1970s, Woody Allen openly dated the 17 yr old Mariel Hemingway and Seinfeld also had a HS age sweetheart. Epstein has been retconned into some sort of monster but there’s a lot of hypocrisy going on. He was not robbing the cradle. These girls were probably giving it away for free to their pimply teenage classmates so they figured that at least with Epstein they could cash in. Now that these same women have hit the Wall, they are suddenly reformed virgins and would like to cash in a second time.

    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @Jack D

    Nice try Jack.

    , @HA
    @Jack D

    "He was not robbing the cradle."

    He was, if the accusations are correct -- and if you think they're not, then you probably also believe the "real killers" of Nicole Brown Simpson are still out there -- guilty of statutory rape and sex trafficking, depending on the locality and specifics. As has been noted, one of the "women" was 14, and several others under 16. That's why Seinfeld and Allen are still walking the streets. Yeah, if a 17-year-old male teen passed these girls around to give "massages" to his friends, he'd get a pass (at least in some locales), but in that case the power differential wouldn't be as vast. There's a reason why actual adults are held to a higher standard. People like to complain about the inherent arbitrariness of statutory rape laws ("wait, so if she's a day over 16 I'm in the clear whereas if she's a day under I go to prison?") but getting rid of them altogether is, in most countries not run by potential ISIS recruits, a bridge too far.

    It may well be unfair that Don Henley and Ted Nugent and Steve Tyler and Jimmy Page are still walking the streets and Epstein and R Kelly are regarded as monsters, but really, maybe the better way to address that is to start holding everyone -- even 70's rock stars -- to a higher standard. To try and go the other way, given where we are, is a losing argument.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Jack D

    , @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    I'd tend to judge Epstein rather more harshly than you do. He was not, however, a pervert.

    What gets you about the situation is that Virginia Giuffre and others had parents. Allowing your adolescent daughter to travel to England or to a private island in the Caribbean with their sketchy employer is something I think few people would do. IIRC, Virginia Giuffre's father has been interviewed for attribution; seemed quite clueless. Epstein, like John Kennedy, knew how to pick a mark. I tend to agree with you that many of these disputes are on account of women retrospectively reframing their experience. See Emma Sulkowicz for a fine example of the phenomenon.

    The other aspect of this is what a knucklehead Prince Andrew is. This is a man with a security detail and a schedule of public appearances. There must at one time have been records of where he was when in March of 2001 far more detailed than you'd find in regard to about 98% of humanity. No reference to any of that. Instead, he claims nearly 20 years after the fact to remember the precise day he went to a pizza joint in London to gather up some take out for Beatrice. The 'I don't sweat due to trauma in the Falklands' claim sounds like something out of a Monty Python skit. The statement 'I have a tendency to be too honorable' in the course of explaining why he had to tell Epstein in person that he could no longer associate with him (nearly three years after his conviction) was just jaw dropping. He not only cast doubt on his more plausible claims, he made himself look like a complete tool in the process.

    Replies: @David In TN

    , @clifford brown
    @Jack D


    It’s very common for men who are interested in post-pubescent teens (of either sex) to be called “child molestors” even though true child molestation is something else.

    Age of consent laws in the US tend to run high by world standards...
     
    *Record scratch*

    By all means, keep digging.
    , @MBlanc46
    @Jack D

    Half the male teenagers would be in jail....

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @anon
    @Jack D

    Wow. Jack D showing his Jewish roots, completely without remorse or shame.

    These kids are just that, kids. What did you know at 16? They were naive and trusting, and were taken advantage of. Yet people like you see no wrong in taking advantage of those who are too naive to fend for themselves.

    Sick.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Jack D

    Jack, totally agreement Epstein is not a "pedophile". But your last paragraph is terrible.



    Clearly many young men and women who are 16 and even younger are sexually active, whether or not this is legal.
     
    16 year olds having sex is common, but it is sub-optimal. Sure, i wanted to have sex at 16 --i'm an old man and i still like having sex!--but it probably would not have been positive for the long run happiness and life-outcome of my HS girlfriend. (Whom i wisely did not marry.)


    We find it kind of creepy if they choose older men (or women) as their dates but this is really more a matter of taste than something the law should be interested in.
     
    It very much is the business of the law. This is what the law--codified social norms we want to actually compel with force--is about.

    While most are physically mature, the emotional maturity and judgement of 16 year old girls is poor. (The last few years have shown the emotional maturity of even many 30 year old girls is poor!) We--a nation, not a marketplace--should discourage 16 year old girls from having sex, and should absolutely use the law to punish older men who try and take advantage of their immaturity.

    Epstein has been retconned into some sort of monster but there’s a lot of hypocrisy going on. He was not robbing the cradle. These girls were probably giving it away for free to their pimply teenage classmates so they figured that at least with Epstein they could cash in. Now that these same women have hit the Wall, they are suddenly reformed virgins and would like to cash in a second time.
     
    You don't have to retcon Epstein into a monster because he was a monster. A pimp. A pimp of underage girls, presumably for getting influence and/or blackmail.

    Yes, these girls were not "good girls". And yes, they chose to what Epstein offered. It no doubt sounded "exciting" and--as noted--young women do not have good judgement. (This is why they are not supposed to be legally emancipated.) And yeah, these women are no doubt retconning how willing their participation was.

    But "giving it away to pimply classmates" is not the same as being a prostitute. Lots of women recover from ill advised sex with their HS boyfriends. Though even that, i'm sure takes it's toll on their future relationships, including ability bond with future husbands and results in more single- momery, more divorce, more general social dysfunction and crappiness. But being a prostitute is an order of magnitude worse. This Virginia Giuffre gal seems to have recovered to have something of a normal family life. But that is not the norm for prostitutes.


    For a society to survive it needs to hold up what is decent and productive--what helps it function and reproduce itself. Not say "we're a big marketplace, everything's for sale". It is absolutely a good thing for society, to piss all over, abuse, harass, jail and just generally make life miserable for all the various forms of parasites that want to prey upon it. Let's have more of it.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

    , @R.G. Camara
    @Jack D

    And many a teenage sociopath female has used these statutory limits to overly flirt with over-age males in positions of power , such as high school teachers and policemen, to either ruffle their feathers a bunch for fun, get something in return, or else get them into a compromising position to exploit.

    The phrase "15 going on 25" comes to mind for many of these Poison Ivy types.

    Replies: @HA

  215. @anonymous
    Yeah, I really feel sorry for those folks who can afford $40k yearly for school tuition. They are worried about shaming? How cowardly can people get? These people have become a decadent, spineless breed of jellyfish. To this mere peon it seems that with that sort of money one can write one's own ticket: private tutors, shopping around for a different school, etc. Enough of them could organize their own school were they desperate enough. They'll just have to forego the making connections and networking part. To think that Davy Crockett died at the Alamo so that a bunch of people who'll end up running things could be such cringing wimps.

    Replies: @Marquis, @Aardvark, @kaganovitch, @Paperback Writer, @Not Only Wrathful

    People often spend that kind of money on their childrens’ education in order to maintain their own social status. You can laugh at such pride, but that is what most expenditure goes on. This is why they find the solution so troubling.

    The cost of their children not being subject to an absurd ideological humiliation is the parents own pride (social status). Liars all, but people will people.

  216. @RichardTaylor
    @SFG


    I suspect the age of American hegemony is over.
     
    We're a huge continental power, protected by two oceans, with weak nations to the north and sough. We're energy and food independent.

    We have 6,000 nuclear warheads and the world's largest military by far. We're totally safe at home and can lean on anybody we need to.

    The net assets of the USA are something like $120 trillion. We have decades before anything like a "collapse" could happen. We also have the most advanced science and technical research facilities on earth.

    My guess is the USA will be the most powerful country on earth in the 2,100 AD. China may have a much larger economy, but it will dependent on us for innovation. The Chinese are good at copying us, like the Japanese (but not as good)

    Also, China is surrounded by major powers that are hostile to it (such as Japan that colonized it not so long ago). The Chinese have never, in 2,000 years, attacked even India which ain't that far away. Genes and culture matter. They aren't cut out for it. Neither are the Indians.

    God knows Latin America will always be 3rd tier due to race-mixing over the centuries, pushed by the "God loves all and we can all be Catholics" worldview. And Africa? They ain't kicking nobody's ass.

    So, just playing the cold odds, we're still be the best bet for number one in 2100.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @clifford brown, @neutral

    So, just playing the cold odds, we’re still be the best bet for number one in 2100.

    Are you taking bets? Nations collapse like bankruptcies, slowly at first, then all at once. The US will be lucky to make it through the next decade in one piece. No way it is dominant by 2050.

    The Chinese seizing Taiwan from under the nose of Sleepy Joe may expedite an imperial collapse on par with how with how the Russo-Japanese War impacted czarist Russia.

    How will The Federal Reserve and Wall Street react when they realize their vaunted military is no longer dominant? The Chinese have something to say about Interesting Times.

    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
    @clifford brown

    We've had losers in the military before. It's true, at least half of the military is a social welfare program. But, we have more than enough assets to protect ourselves many times over.

    The Chinese are not White men. In their 3,000 year history they never even attacked India. Did China ever occupy Japan? I don't think so, but the opposite happened. Japan can build nuclear weapons anytime and may already have them. South Korea claims not to have nukes, but probably does.

    China has Russia to deal with. Think of it, China has several big nuclear powers near its borders. The USA has none.

    The Chinese have 290 nuclear weapons. We have 6,000. Let's be realistic. I don't like what our "elites" are doing either, but we can't give in to wishful thinking that somehow their bad leadership means it's will all collapse.

    Replies: @Sam Malone, @Muggles

    , @Deckin
    @clifford brown

    While the Chinese are maintaining their always impressive marching skills, US soldiers have been actually using their guns and tactics in real shooting wars, for better or for worse, for 20 years now. I wouldn't read too much into stupid videos. Also, can you let us know of the last war the Chinese actually won?

  217. @neutral

    I think most of the people here are under less threat from Bari Weiss than they are from Ibram Kendi
     
    There is no way the Ibram Kendis of the world could not have gotten to where they are without the Baris Weiss type of people.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

    Disagree: I think you have Bari Weiss conflated with the standard-issue, 50th percentile liberal Jew who writes/wrote for the New York Times.

    She has a lot of silliness to answer for — as does anyone who writes a column for any period of time — but I don’t see how she can be made to answer for Nat X.

    By contrast, Twitter’s Jack Dorsey gave him (or, at least, his Antiracism Center at Boston University) a gazillion dollars; go blame Dorsey. When you see a university that hired an obvious midwit hustler — one who makes Malcolm the Tenth look like Hegel by comparison — and gave him tenure, blame that institution for abdicating its intellectual standards (or not having any in the first place).

  218. @nebulafox
    OT: You have GOT to be joking...

    https://www.city-journal.org/the-miseducation-of-americas-elites#.YEjIs2J0YZc.twitter

    'But physics looks different these days. “We don’t call them Newton’s laws anymore,” an upperclassman at the school informs me. “We call them the three fundamental laws of physics. They say we need to ‘decenter whiteness,’ and we need to acknowledge that there’s more than just Newton in physics.”'

    What's next? Maxwell's Laws? Einstein's theory of special relativity? This is insane. Nobody ever came out of a physics classroom thinking that there wasn't "more than just Newton in physics". I know we've got bigger issues as a nation, but if we're denying credit to probably the most gifted left-brain intellect in human history because he was a white Englishman, then we are in trouble.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Elsewhere

    Could be worse. They could be calling them Kendi’s Laws. If Biden can take credit for the light bulb away from Edison and bestow it on a black man, why can’t Newton’s Laws be renamed also? Just calling them the 3 Fundamental Laws is only the 1st step. Once Newton has been forgotten, the Laws can be reassigned to their rightful Black discoverer. I am not kidding by the way. We are long past the “just kidding” phase. These folks are serious.

    The same thing went on in Germany with Hitler. People thought that they guy was a crank. His ideas were too dumb for sophisticated people to take seriously. There was no Jewish Physics and German Physics, there is only Physics. He would last a few months and then people would come to their senses. Nope. Once the roller coaster passes the apex you have to ride it all the way to the bitter end. You only can only stop when you hit rock bottom.

  219. @Art Deco
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Not necessarily. During the Bush-era, conservatives slandered anyone who was anti-war as “unpatriotic” and “soft on terrorism.”

    No, David Frum tossed a spear at a mess of people associated with the Rockford Institute. He didn't have to slander Thomas Fleming. He just had to quote things he'd said, verbatim and in context. Fleming had, among other things, made Chronicles a mouthpiece for violent Serb particularists, costing the magazine about 2/3 of its audited circulation.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Mr. Anon, @anon, @Nicholas Stix

    They got Phil Donahue fired. Max Cleland unseated. Dixie Chicks turned into pariahs. The list goes on and on.

    Valuable lessons were learned, which is why no one dares question the sanctity of the US military.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Huh? The Dixie Chicks, quite gratuitously, made public statements not likely to please a country music audience; people quit buying tickets and buying records. Max Cleland lost an election in a constituency where he was at a disadvantage. One thing his opponent did was hang some of his votes around his neck like a rubber chicken. That's what happens in election campaigns (Cleland was among those insisting that security measures be consistent with the institutional interests of public employee unions). Phil Donohue had retired years earlier and failed in an attempted comeback. You fancy his supervisors could pick David Frum out of a police lineup, I'm vending bridges.

    , @Muggles
    @JohnnyWalker123


    Dixie Chicks turned into pariahs.
     
    Minor matter. Yes, they angered some country music fans, but were switching their audience to more "woke" millennial, etc. who seemed to want to support "embattled women", so their careers didn't suffer much. A lot of NPR interviews I think, and maybe an SNL appearance.

    A few years later (last year) they dropped the "Dixie" part because that is now a banned Unword.

    They go by the "Chicks" now, but as 30-40 somethings they are aging out of whatever demographic they were popular with. I don't think dim bulb homemaker "feminist" moms do much music buying.

    Unless they all start taking steroid shots and massive testosterone boosts I think they are running out of 'progressive' metamorphoses to undergo. Maybe Kamala will invite them to her upcoming presidential inauguration.
  220. @Art Deco
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Not necessarily. During the Bush-era, conservatives slandered anyone who was anti-war as “unpatriotic” and “soft on terrorism.”

    No, David Frum tossed a spear at a mess of people associated with the Rockford Institute. He didn't have to slander Thomas Fleming. He just had to quote things he'd said, verbatim and in context. Fleming had, among other things, made Chronicles a mouthpiece for violent Serb particularists, costing the magazine about 2/3 of its audited circulation.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Mr. Anon, @anon, @Nicholas Stix

    No, David Frum tossed a spear at a mess of people associated with the Rockford Institute.

    What a load of mendacious twaddle. Well, it’s to be expected from a nimrod like you.

    Frum presumed to write people out of the conservative movement – to deny them any influence in conservative politics.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2003/03/unpatriotic-conservatives-david-frum/

    For this canadian upstart to question the patriotism of people because they opposed a war built on lies is the height of chutzpah. Among the charges he leveled at them is that they spoke favorably about certain leftists, at least about the views they held on the war. This from a man who has never stood on any genuine conservative principle in his life.

    Frum is a zionist shill and an opportunistic hack. At least he gets paid for it.

    You do it for free. You’re just a schmuck.

  221. anon[378] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Ben Kurtz

    It's not even clear how much the parents profiled in this article really care about the institutional status and integrity of their children's schools. What Weiss says they really care about -- and I agree with her -- is which institutions their children will be associated with on the next rung of the educational ladder, i.e. universities.

    Here are a few additional paragraphs from Weiss's article:


    The parents in this story are not parents with no other options. Most have the capital—social and literal—to pull their kids out and hire private tutors. That they weren’t speaking out seemed to me cowardly, or worse.

    The cynical answer for their silence is two words: Ivy League. “There are definitively rumors that the school has like, say, three picks for Duke and that if you stand up against this your kid will get blackballed,” says one mother.

    Another explanation is groupthink and social pressure. “Sometimes the smartest people are the easiest ones to fool,” says a father who recently moved his son from one school to another that he judges to be marginally better. “If you made a decision to go on the board of Dalton having espoused all these leftist views forever and you want your kid to get into Harvard, you are not going to stand up and say, ‘wait a second, guys.’ You’re just not going to do it. Most people want to be members of the club.”

    I think it’s true that many people would rather violate their stated principles than be iced out of their social network. But this is a situation that goes beyond getting shunted to a bad table at the Robin Hood gala. To resist this ideology is to go against the entire institutional world.
     
    Yes, Harvard-Westlake is no doubt nice, and its physical plant would take a lot of money to emulate. But trying to build an alternative to the Ivy League is essentially impossible, and these parents know it. With good reason -- at least from their perspective -- they want their kids to be admitted to the right universities. They'll put up with a lot of shit before they will jeopardize this.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Twinkie, @YetAnotherAnon, @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Hibernian, @Forbes, @Patrick McNally, @Achmed E. Newman, @anon

    This reminds me of Dennis Prager. Dennis Prager said that all it takes is for parents and students to speak out against this leftist lunacy is courage. He also said that whenever someone starts asking him where he went to college, or where his kids went to college, he knows right away they are Jewish, because only Jews care about where someone went to college, even though lately Asians are beginning to do the same. He said he tells his kids he doesn’t care where they go to college. He himself went to Brooklyn College.

    What percentage of these parents at Harvard-Westlake, Dalton etc. are Jewish? I suspect a high percentage, along with the administrators. So at the end of the day, it’s Kramer vs. Kramer, i.e. liberal Jews vs. liberal Jews, the only difference is, one group has money and is capitalist, the other doesn’t and is socialist. Maybe this is how no money Jews stick it to the moneyed Jews. Regardless, this feels like a family conflict, I’m sure they’ll find a way to work it out and not let this distract them from the real enemies — those white supremacist insurrectionists.

    Btw Dennis Prager and Adam Corolla’s documentary “No Safe Spaces” is now on Amazon Prime. It is very well done.

  222. @Anon
    @Art Deco

    This. As a tenured prof at a good school that has gone nuts i am desperate to get out. These people could create schools that employ people like me. But the kids would not get a job at goldman. Those jobs are for people who have taken the ticket. Borrowing a line from Vox Day.

    Replies: @jilla2, @Art Deco, @HA, @Anon, @anonymous

    “But the kids would not get a job at goldman.”

    Exactly. Harvard (or Princeton or Stanford) admissions officers are not going to be persuaded all that much by “satisfactory teachers”, however one chooses to define that, whereas parents have the utmost confidence (rightly or wrongly) those people will at least pay attention should the Harvard-Westlake brand name be name-dropped into the application process. That is what they’re paying for.

    And if the application form is from a school that was originally formed by disgruntled ex-Harvard-Westlake teachers/parents angry about too much “wokeness”, that will get attention too, but unfortunately, it will be given the same treatment that letters sprinkled with anthrax get. That’s the dilemma, as I understand it. At some point the dam might burst, and the split might happen, but even if it ultimately succeeds, it’s going to be rough for that first or second generation of renegades (whose parents aren’t Murdochs or who are not wealthy enough to drop ten rocks on a new science wing just to give their child a sociology diploma).

    So I suspect they’ll just try and subvert from within. Rich, well-connected people are better at that kind of thing than they are at bucking the trend. And to be fair, trailblazers tend to wind up with more arrow holes than gold nuggets.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @HA

    I'd suggest you take a walk through the capsule biographies you can find of notable CEOs, inside and outside the financial sector. The Ivy League is there. So are other private research universities, state schools, &c. The Ivy League accounts for about 0.5% of the baccalaureate degrees issued each year and many of their graduates live quite ordinary lives or owe their positions to some other factor.

    Replies: @HA

    , @The Last Real Calvinist
    @HA


    Harvard (or Princeton or Stanford) admissions officers are not going to be persuaded all that much by “satisfactory teachers”, however one chooses to define that, whereas parents have the utmost confidence (rightly or wrongly) those people will at least pay attention should the Harvard-Westlake brand name be name-dropped into the application process. That is what they’re paying for.

     

    They're paying for more than just the school's name and reputation. They're paying for the H-W guidance counselors/university admissions advisors to be in actual contact with/known to admissions people at top universities, and to work hard to 'sell' their kids' applications.

    Schools like H-W are also going to be quasi-allocated a number of admits at a given university, up to a rough ceiling each year.

    Replies: @HA

  223. anon[378] • Disclaimer says:

    This is why I always say we need to make the Ivy League 100% black and be done with it. Consider it reparation. Not only are we sick of all their pompous, elitist left wing hypocrisy, but if these schools are no longer an option, many parents would’ve spoken out long ago about the crazy leftist indoctrination of K-12.

    If eight giant meteor fragments came down and level the eight Ivy League campuses (when no one is on campus), our nation would be better off. I’m increasingly convinced of it.

    • Replies: @black sea
    @anon

    I saw an interview with Michael Malice in which he suggested that university endowments be seized and distributed as a form of reparations. Since universities have traditionally benefited the White upper classes, he thought this would be the most appropriate way to handle this historical grievance. He was speaking tongue-in-cheek, of course, but I thought this approach had a certain merit.

  224. Founding schools is something Anglo Americans used to excel at. Where did all these prep schools come from in the first place? If anything, the fact that these parents and teachers, despite their considerable resources, don’t seem to be willing or able to do so shows a real deterioration of the American spirit of independence and civic initiative.

    As for the school’s descent into wokeness, the board is entirely to blame. I don’t see how it could have happened without the explicit assent of the people who control the funds. So, really, it isn’t a case of spiteful little sjw hirelings taking over. This comes straight from the top. Probably the richest board members are bullying upper middle class striver parents with this stuff. Why would they do that? Well, isn’t that what power is for, to be used? The really rich parents could care less what’s being taught at the school. Their kids learn the most important lessons at the country clubs (who you know is much more important than what you know) and get into good schools whether they are good students or not.

    I feel a mixture of pity and frustration when I think of these upper middle class striver Americans. About half my friends are in this category, and they seem to be stuck in a sort of psychological prison. They have to be “respectable,” but every day the costs grow and the requirements become ever more deranged and bizarre. Why can’t they just let it go? You don’t get to the top by being a scrupulous, obedient person, so why do they keep trying? Also, being “power adjacent” really sucks. The people at the top of our society are often raging sociopaths who think nothing of destroying lives. Why on earth would you want to be anywhere near them or their children?

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Bill P


    I feel a mixture of pity and frustration when I think of these upper middle class striver Americans. About half my friends are in this category, and they seem to be stuck in a sort of psychological prison. They have to be “respectable,” but every day the costs grow and the requirements become ever more deranged and bizarre. Why can’t they just let it go? You don’t get to the top by being a scrupulous, obedient person, so why do they keep trying? Also, being “power adjacent” really sucks. The people at the top of our society are often raging sociopaths who think nothing of destroying lives. Why on earth would you want to be anywhere near them or their children?

     

    This is a gold-star passage.

    If you can wrench your gaze away from the cheap glitter of worldly credentials and status, and gain just enough perspective to glimpse the real shape of this striving, it's an ugly image.

    Upper-middle-class people, in Paul Fussell's famous book Class, should have just about the best deal going -- no real money worries, generally stable families, rewarding work, time and requisite educational background to pursue hobbies and interests of all types. And yet so many people in this enviable situation pawn their golden tickets to contentment and spend the proceeds on status striving.

    Human nature is fallen; sin infects what seem even the purest of our joys.

    , @vhrm
    @Bill P


    As for the school’s descent into wokeness, the board is entirely to blame. I don’t see how it could have happened without the explicit assent of the people who control the funds. So, really, it isn’t a case of spiteful little sjw hirelings taking over. This comes straight from the top. Probably the richest board members are bullying upper middle class striver parents with this stuff. Why would they do that? Well, isn’t that what power is for, to be used? The really rich parents could care less what’s being taught at the school. Their kids learn the most important lessons at the country clubs (who you know is much more important than what you know) and get into good schools whether they are good students or not.
     
    My sense is that you've got this wrong. I don't see even the richest of people exposing their kids to 12 years of 8 hours a day wokeness throughout their developmental period as some sort of doublethink training exercise all to screw with other people's heads. Regardless of what's happening at the country club few if any brains could reject that kind of sustained onslaught without internalizing a lot of it. The citylab article in fact ends with a very chilling scene illustrating this:


    I have a friend in New York who is the mother to a four-year-old. She seems exactly the kind of parent these schools would want to attract: a successful entrepreneur, a feminist, and a diehard Manhattanite. She’d dreamed of sending her daughter to a school like Dalton. One day at home, in the midst of the application process, she was drawing with her daughter, who said offhandedly: “I need to draw in my own skin color.” Skin color, she told her mother, is “really important.” She said that’s what she learned in school.
     
    I think it was first that the vast majority of the management and teachers at the school had been left leaning for decades because the vast majority of people in education everywhere, outside of some (but definitely not all) religious schools lean left. I mean, this article is about removing " The Scarlet Letter, Little Women, To Kill a Mockingbird" and replacing them with ethnic stuff. But those books being replaced, while "classics" are already left leaning. It's not like they were reading Atlas Shrugged, Bonfire of the Vanities, Ender's Game or Camp of the Saints.

    And when BLM / MeToo / BLM2 hit... the SJWs just let their freak flags fly and there wasn't much for the more skeptical board members to do about it without risking cancellation themselves.
  225. @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    It's very common for men who are interested in post-pubescent teens (of either sex) to be called "child molestors" even though true child molestation is something else.

    Age of consent laws in the US tend to run high by world standards (although clearly they are not enforced in most cases, especially if the other partner is of similar age - if they were then half the teenagers in America would be in jail) - in the range of 16 to 18. Forgetting about uncivilized places in Africa and the Middle East, even in many European countries the age of consent is as low as 14.

    Clearly many young men and women who are 16 and even younger are sexually active, whether or not this is legal. We find it kind of creepy if they choose older men (or women) as their dates but this is really more a matter of taste than something the law should be interested in. In the less prudish 1970s, Woody Allen openly dated the 17 yr old Mariel Hemingway and Seinfeld also had a HS age sweetheart. Epstein has been retconned into some sort of monster but there's a lot of hypocrisy going on. He was not robbing the cradle. These girls were probably giving it away for free to their pimply teenage classmates so they figured that at least with Epstein they could cash in. Now that these same women have hit the Wall, they are suddenly reformed virgins and would like to cash in a second time.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @HA, @Art Deco, @clifford brown, @MBlanc46, @anon, @AnotherDad, @R.G. Camara

    Nice try Jack.

  226. @kihowi
    @Altai


    ‘wokeness’ is powered by elite white women with high empathy
     
    Wrong. You're buying into their cover story. They don't have high empathy. Everybody has empathy, it just differs who for. There's us, fossils who believe in a civilized distribution of our empathy, with expanding rings of diminishing empathy around ourselves and our family. Then there's woke white women, who love their family just the same (mostly) but who hate huge chunks of society outside of that and pile their remaining empathy on a few select groups who have nothing to do with them. That's not high empathy, that's the same empathy to which is added a lot of hatred.

    I had to consciously force myself there to used "hatred" as the noun and not "hate", which is a verb. That's how easy it is to go along with stupid use of language when you're not careful.

    Replies: @stillCARealist

    If I’m a liberal elite mom, I’m scorning the low-rent whites around me. My kid could join their ranks if I don’t do everything right! Low-rent blacks? Nope, my kid can never be one of them.

    These people fear falling out of their elite status and the shame of having a kid not be a winner. It’s really stressful on everybody involved, even without the crazy racist push.

  227. @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    It's very common for men who are interested in post-pubescent teens (of either sex) to be called "child molestors" even though true child molestation is something else.

    Age of consent laws in the US tend to run high by world standards (although clearly they are not enforced in most cases, especially if the other partner is of similar age - if they were then half the teenagers in America would be in jail) - in the range of 16 to 18. Forgetting about uncivilized places in Africa and the Middle East, even in many European countries the age of consent is as low as 14.

    Clearly many young men and women who are 16 and even younger are sexually active, whether or not this is legal. We find it kind of creepy if they choose older men (or women) as their dates but this is really more a matter of taste than something the law should be interested in. In the less prudish 1970s, Woody Allen openly dated the 17 yr old Mariel Hemingway and Seinfeld also had a HS age sweetheart. Epstein has been retconned into some sort of monster but there's a lot of hypocrisy going on. He was not robbing the cradle. These girls were probably giving it away for free to their pimply teenage classmates so they figured that at least with Epstein they could cash in. Now that these same women have hit the Wall, they are suddenly reformed virgins and would like to cash in a second time.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @HA, @Art Deco, @clifford brown, @MBlanc46, @anon, @AnotherDad, @R.G. Camara

    “He was not robbing the cradle.”

    He was, if the accusations are correct — and if you think they’re not, then you probably also believe the “real killers” of Nicole Brown Simpson are still out there — guilty of statutory rape and sex trafficking, depending on the locality and specifics. As has been noted, one of the “women” was 14, and several others under 16. That’s why Seinfeld and Allen are still walking the streets. Yeah, if a 17-year-old male teen passed these girls around to give “massages” to his friends, he’d get a pass (at least in some locales), but in that case the power differential wouldn’t be as vast. There’s a reason why actual adults are held to a higher standard. People like to complain about the inherent arbitrariness of statutory rape laws (“wait, so if she’s a day over 16 I’m in the clear whereas if she’s a day under I go to prison?”) but getting rid of them altogether is, in most countries not run by potential ISIS recruits, a bridge too far.

    It may well be unfair that Don Henley and Ted Nugent and Steve Tyler and Jimmy Page are still walking the streets and Epstein and R Kelly are regarded as monsters, but really, maybe the better way to address that is to start holding everyone — even 70’s rock stars — to a higher standard. To try and go the other way, given where we are, is a losing argument.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @HA

    It wouldn't be difficult to contrive formulae which would calibrate penalties for statutory rape to the age differential between the parties, but that would require that state legislators be composed of people who've mastered algebra. Lawyers don't do that.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @HA, @Jack D

    , @Jack D
    @HA

    Germany , Italy, etc. aren't run by Isis yet but their age of consent is 14 and the world has not ended.

    Replies: @HA

  228. @Patrick McNally
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    This is why total decline is necessary before any rejuvenation is possible. Until Harvard rots away completely there will be many well-to-do people who simply find it more advantageous to go along to get along. That, in turn, facilitates the rot even further.

    Replies: @stillCARealist, @The Last Real Calvinist

    Harvard is older than the United States (by a lot). The rot you’re waiting for may be utter collapse. Even then, Harvard would rise up before a new US could.

  229. @Redman
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I know people keep telling me that this has been a gradual shift in social views for a period of time. But it doesn't feel that way to me. It seems that since the entrance of Trump on the scene, the news media, Hollywood and higher education have ratcheted up the "wokeness" to 11. Race is everywhere and everything.

    There was always something fishy about the way Trump was labelled a "racist" (meaning against blacks). As a fan of late 80s and early 90s rap, it always seemed to me he was well liked in the black community. He owned a football team and was heavily involved in the major black sport of boxing, even coming to the aid of Mike Tyson when he was accused of rape by a less than credible woman.

    The McNeil firing by the NYT was an eye opener, since it showed definitively that the "n-word" is the knew "jehovah."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDe9msExUK8

    Replies: @Patrick McNally

    I’ve noted before that what we’re seeing is Obama-AIPAC Schizophrenia in motion. Since 1970 there has been a growing split within the Jewish psyche as it relates to the USA, but also more globally since the USA is a global power. Between the end of WWII and on through the 1960s most Jews tended to balance in their minds the twin visions of themselves as Israel-firsters and humanitarian activists trying to fight for civil rights. But after 1970 this came under a strain. All of the main Civil Rights Acts had been passed so one couldn’t really say in an obvious way that “systemic racism” was holding blacks back. At the same time, the power became increasingly overt and brazen. It even started coming into conflict with some black leaders who started showing some awareness of Jewish power as something a bit more than just a “helpful ally” in the civil rights struggle.

    But everything exploded during Obama’s Presidency. Lots of Jews had been living much of their whole life in preparation for celebrating “the first black President in office.” But instead Obama’s 2 terms in office were predominated by his endless conflicts with Netanyahu. Neocons had wanted McCain to become President and do with Iran what Bush II had done with Iraq. Instead Obama blatantly defied Israeli wishes, more so than any President since JFK. To avoid the kinds of difficulties which occurred for the latter President, Obama followed a pattern of hyping “white supremacy” as a way of binding confused Jewish voters to him.

    No one should imagine that Obama was secretly enacting Netanyahu’s 4d-chess. No, the conflict between the Obama administration and the Likud in Israel was very real. But the endless talk of “if I had a son” was a way of masking the real underlying political conflict. Very few average Jewish campaigners here in the USA were willing to target Obama as an enemy of Netanyahu as long as he was relentlessly hyping the “white racism” angle. That talk served as a Linus blanket so that no could really comment on the true underlying relations between blacks and Jews for those 8 years.

    When Trump got into office all that he really ever wanted to do was patch things up with Netanyahu and turn the USA back into an obedient lapdog of AIPAC. I refused to vote for Trump in 2016 because I was sure that he was planning to attack Iran once he got established in office. I still suspect that that was his original plan. But if so he took some time to measure the climate temperature and decided that this would not be a good idea. Instead Trump threw out the earlier arrangements with Iran worked under Obama and also dropped some occasional bombs but never went all the way. I think that this may have cost him the election. If Trump had started bombing Iran then I can readily imagine Pence calling for Congress to vote for the President and Trump possibly gaining a 2nd term.

    But what really sent off an explosion after Trump took office was that the vast majority of average Jewish activists all across the USA did not want to have to admit in their own minds that Netanyahu was happier with Trump than with Obama. They wanted the white Republican who succeeded Obama to be a raving mad white supremacist who vowed to make soap and lampshades out of Jews. To have to admit that the 1st black President had frustrated Netanyahu’s hope of McCain invading Iran and that the new white Republican President was on better terms with Israel than Obama had been, that was just too much. This is the source of Obama-AIPAC Schizophrenia and it had fed a level of craziness which can not be properly accounted for from just rational calibrations.

    • Thanks: black sea
  230. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1369582744834080768

    Jews are the global ruling class. You need a favor done, you pay off a powerful Jew.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    Ari Ben-Menashe is a world class grifter. He is a serial fabulist who claims to have been involved in every Mossad operation ever from Iran contra on .He only doesn’t claim to have captured Eichmann personally because he was only nine at the time. His getting 2 million from the Burmese is a tribute not to his Jewish power , of which he has none, but to the credulity of the Myanmar junta and ABM’s sociopathic ability to b.s.

  231. @AndrewR
    @anonymous

    Tucker also ripped off Steve's "look how cool I am for pretending to not know or care about Meghan's title" LARP

    This is the most famous family in world history and the rulers (at least nominally) of a country that ran the most powerful empire in world history within living memory. I don't understand or respect any insouciance, real or feigned, about them.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    Yeah, and they pissed it all away.

    Lizzie has presided over the end of the empire and the decline of the nation. She’s allowed the dregs of the Third World to swarm into her kingdom. (Has she ever so much as uttered the word Rotherham in connection with child abuse?)

    Instead of the new Jerusalem, her green and pleasant land is now the home of the new Mumbai, the new Karachi, the new Nairobi, the new Lagos, the new Kingston, the new Dhaka. And what has she had to say about any of it?

    Respect is earned, as is disrespect. The Windsors are no more deserving of praise and admiration than the Kennedys who presided over Camelot. (They’re no less sexually dysfunctional.) Their long and storied history notwithstanding, the royals have failed their people.

    • Agree: William Badwhite
  232. anon[269] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    I am someone who reads iSteve regularly and has my kids in one of the schools in Weiss's article.

    The lever these schools have is college admissions. It is much, much more realistic to get into a top 10 college from one of these schools. The reason the parents don't revolt is that: (1) the retaliation from the school administration would threaten our kids' college chances, which hang on a knife's edge almost no matter who you are, (2) college admissions committees are populated by people who want to see this woke nonsense, and (3) recognizing this, many of the other parents would turn against you (and their kids would turn against your kids) if you step out of line. (2) is important because it creates a more stable foundation for this kind of thing.

    Of course, this raises the question of 'Why do you give a crap whether or not your kid gets into Stanford or wherever?' Because those schools control (not deterministically, but strongly statistically influence) what kind of job your kid will have, where they will live, where they get into grad school, who is willing to date them, who they marry etc.

    Replies: @anon

    It is much, much more realistic to get into a top 10 college from one of these schools.

    You don’t say. According to this college admissions data guest007 posted earlier:
    https://www.hw.com/about/HW-at-a-Glance/Matriculation

    Out of a graduating class of around 218 kids, on average Harvard-Westlake sends 58 kids to the Top 10 in each of the last 5 years, broken down as follows:

    Harvard: 9
    Cornell: 8
    Penn: 7.8
    Stanford: 7
    Brown: 6.4
    Columbia: 5.8
    Yale: 4.6
    Dartmouth: 4
    Princeton: 3.8
    MIT: 1.8

    Total: 58.2, that’s 26.7% of the graduating class going on to a top ten.

    In comparison, a good year for our highly touted local public high school means out of a graduating class of 525, we get: 2 to Yale/Princeton, 1 to Stanford, 1 to MIT, 0 to Harvard, 2 to Cornell, 1 to Columbia, Penn, Brown or Dartmouth, or 7/525, 1.3%.

    • Replies: @houston 1992
    @anon

    how do students and their families rate the Service academies ? Is their prestige in decline?

    , @The Last Real Calvinist
    @anon

    Thanks much for this; I totted up H-W's most recent year's admission totals in my own later post before I saw your superior analysis here.

    Having just gone through the high-end university application game with Daughter C, I am grateful for your comparison between H-W and your local school. The big-name university admissions gap is a yawning chasm, isn't it?

    It's hard to communicate to people who haven't recently been involved in university admissions just how difficult it is to get a kid into HPY or Stanford. Your post really helps.

    Replies: @anon

  233. @RichardTaylor
    @SFG


    I suspect the age of American hegemony is over.
     
    We're a huge continental power, protected by two oceans, with weak nations to the north and sough. We're energy and food independent.

    We have 6,000 nuclear warheads and the world's largest military by far. We're totally safe at home and can lean on anybody we need to.

    The net assets of the USA are something like $120 trillion. We have decades before anything like a "collapse" could happen. We also have the most advanced science and technical research facilities on earth.

    My guess is the USA will be the most powerful country on earth in the 2,100 AD. China may have a much larger economy, but it will dependent on us for innovation. The Chinese are good at copying us, like the Japanese (but not as good)

    Also, China is surrounded by major powers that are hostile to it (such as Japan that colonized it not so long ago). The Chinese have never, in 2,000 years, attacked even India which ain't that far away. Genes and culture matter. They aren't cut out for it. Neither are the Indians.

    God knows Latin America will always be 3rd tier due to race-mixing over the centuries, pushed by the "God loves all and we can all be Catholics" worldview. And Africa? They ain't kicking nobody's ass.

    So, just playing the cold odds, we're still be the best bet for number one in 2100.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @clifford brown, @neutral

    God knows Latin America will always be 3rd tier due to race-mixing

    Did you fail to notice what is happening in the USA?

    • Replies: @Anonymous 1
    @neutral

    And what’s happening to the USA is due to the same race mixing that happened in Latin America.

  234. @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    It's very common for men who are interested in post-pubescent teens (of either sex) to be called "child molestors" even though true child molestation is something else.

    Age of consent laws in the US tend to run high by world standards (although clearly they are not enforced in most cases, especially if the other partner is of similar age - if they were then half the teenagers in America would be in jail) - in the range of 16 to 18. Forgetting about uncivilized places in Africa and the Middle East, even in many European countries the age of consent is as low as 14.

    Clearly many young men and women who are 16 and even younger are sexually active, whether or not this is legal. We find it kind of creepy if they choose older men (or women) as their dates but this is really more a matter of taste than something the law should be interested in. In the less prudish 1970s, Woody Allen openly dated the 17 yr old Mariel Hemingway and Seinfeld also had a HS age sweetheart. Epstein has been retconned into some sort of monster but there's a lot of hypocrisy going on. He was not robbing the cradle. These girls were probably giving it away for free to their pimply teenage classmates so they figured that at least with Epstein they could cash in. Now that these same women have hit the Wall, they are suddenly reformed virgins and would like to cash in a second time.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @HA, @Art Deco, @clifford brown, @MBlanc46, @anon, @AnotherDad, @R.G. Camara

    I’d tend to judge Epstein rather more harshly than you do. He was not, however, a pervert.

    What gets you about the situation is that Virginia Giuffre and others had parents. Allowing your adolescent daughter to travel to England or to a private island in the Caribbean with their sketchy employer is something I think few people would do. IIRC, Virginia Giuffre’s father has been interviewed for attribution; seemed quite clueless. Epstein, like John Kennedy, knew how to pick a mark. I tend to agree with you that many of these disputes are on account of women retrospectively reframing their experience. See Emma Sulkowicz for a fine example of the phenomenon.

    The other aspect of this is what a knucklehead Prince Andrew is. This is a man with a security detail and a schedule of public appearances. There must at one time have been records of where he was when in March of 2001 far more detailed than you’d find in regard to about 98% of humanity. No reference to any of that. Instead, he claims nearly 20 years after the fact to remember the precise day he went to a pizza joint in London to gather up some take out for Beatrice. The ‘I don’t sweat due to trauma in the Falklands’ claim sounds like something out of a Monty Python skit. The statement ‘I have a tendency to be too honorable’ in the course of explaining why he had to tell Epstein in person that he could no longer associate with him (nearly three years after his conviction) was just jaw dropping. He not only cast doubt on his more plausible claims, he made himself look like a complete tool in the process.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    @Art Deco

    I've studied the Jeffrey Epstein affair closely. I agree that one of the puzzles is "Where were the parents?" A lawyer for the victims, Bradley Edwards, in his book wondered why Epstein was never confronted by an irate father. Edwards just threw the thought out without following up on it.

    Yes, Epstein could pick a mark like John Kennedy. In 1962, JFK, age 45, started having sex with a 19-year old debutante type. She didn't tell her parents, wasn't close to them, which JFK must have had an instinct for spotting.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @Steve Sailer

  235. @HA
    @Jack D

    "He was not robbing the cradle."

    He was, if the accusations are correct -- and if you think they're not, then you probably also believe the "real killers" of Nicole Brown Simpson are still out there -- guilty of statutory rape and sex trafficking, depending on the locality and specifics. As has been noted, one of the "women" was 14, and several others under 16. That's why Seinfeld and Allen are still walking the streets. Yeah, if a 17-year-old male teen passed these girls around to give "massages" to his friends, he'd get a pass (at least in some locales), but in that case the power differential wouldn't be as vast. There's a reason why actual adults are held to a higher standard. People like to complain about the inherent arbitrariness of statutory rape laws ("wait, so if she's a day over 16 I'm in the clear whereas if she's a day under I go to prison?") but getting rid of them altogether is, in most countries not run by potential ISIS recruits, a bridge too far.

    It may well be unfair that Don Henley and Ted Nugent and Steve Tyler and Jimmy Page are still walking the streets and Epstein and R Kelly are regarded as monsters, but really, maybe the better way to address that is to start holding everyone -- even 70's rock stars -- to a higher standard. To try and go the other way, given where we are, is a losing argument.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Jack D

    It wouldn’t be difficult to contrive formulae which would calibrate penalties for statutory rape to the age differential between the parties, but that would require that state legislators be composed of people who’ve mastered algebra. Lawyers don’t do that.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Art Deco

    Ouch.
    I wonder who on Unz this missive could have been intended for?

    , @HA
    @Art Deco

    "It wouldn’t be difficult to contrive formulae which would calibrate penalties for statutory rape to the age differential between the parties..."

    Agreed, but it would still be arbitrary and full of noise for something that is, in essence, incalculable (like much or most of the sentencing process). A single cutoff year makes for a Procrustean bed, but trying to slap on more parameters so as to create a sliding scale, or something like that, isn't going to do much in the way of furthering justice, I would argue.

    After all, regardless of what the legislators (i.e. whichever of them decides to craft the bill in question, probably by pawning off the specifics on some underling) come up with, it's ultimately up to the judge to determine how harsh the sentence will be, and that's where you'll find your sliding scale. My hunch is that a given judge is not going to give anyone the maximum penalty just because the victim was a day under 16. (Or if you choose to be more cynical, any improvement you envisage by legislating some sliding scale will still get washed out to a large extent by that arbitrary judicial sentencing prerogative.)

    , @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    Many statutory rape laws in fact have Romeo and Juliet clauses that provide exceptions when there is a small age difference.

  236. @HA
    @Anon

    "But the kids would not get a job at goldman."

    Exactly. Harvard (or Princeton or Stanford) admissions officers are not going to be persuaded all that much by "satisfactory teachers", however one chooses to define that, whereas parents have the utmost confidence (rightly or wrongly) those people will at least pay attention should the Harvard-Westlake brand name be name-dropped into the application process. That is what they're paying for.

    And if the application form is from a school that was originally formed by disgruntled ex-Harvard-Westlake teachers/parents angry about too much "wokeness", that will get attention too, but unfortunately, it will be given the same treatment that letters sprinkled with anthrax get. That's the dilemma, as I understand it. At some point the dam might burst, and the split might happen, but even if it ultimately succeeds, it's going to be rough for that first or second generation of renegades (whose parents aren't Murdochs or who are not wealthy enough to drop ten rocks on a new science wing just to give their child a sociology diploma).

    So I suspect they'll just try and subvert from within. Rich, well-connected people are better at that kind of thing than they are at bucking the trend. And to be fair, trailblazers tend to wind up with more arrow holes than gold nuggets.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @The Last Real Calvinist

    I’d suggest you take a walk through the capsule biographies you can find of notable CEOs, inside and outside the financial sector. The Ivy League is there. So are other private research universities, state schools, &c. The Ivy League accounts for about 0.5% of the baccalaureate degrees issued each year and many of their graduates live quite ordinary lives or owe their positions to some other factor.

    • Replies: @HA
    @Art Deco

    "I’d suggest you take a walk through the capsule biographies you can find of notable CEOs, inside and outside the financial sector. The Ivy League is there. So are other private research universities, state schools, &c."

    No one is arguing that the likelihood of getting to the top drops to infinitesimal if you get denied a spot at an Ivy League school or at Harvard-Westlake. That is especially true of the VERY top that you're choosing to focus on, given that those positions are, in essence, vast BattleRoyale lotteries and tournaments, though it is far less true of that comfortable, cushy, range of professions that make up the rest of the well-off.

    And that gets us to the actual argument, which is that the likelihood of getting somewhere near the top does indeed drop significantly if you're from State U over in Flyover-ville as opposed to Harvard or Harvard-Westlake. Maybe not enough to justify shelling out 40-large a year for a high school diploma (though perhaps the bigger justification for that is the bragging right of being able to tell everyone else that your child is going to Harvard-Westlake), but the odds are measurably different.

    To deny that indicates a lack of mastery not of algebra, but basic probability. I mean, sure, sometimes the little guy without deep pockets manages to prevail against the law firm packed with Ivy Leaguers raking in hundreds of dollars per billable hour. It does happen now and then. But in general, the odds of a victory very much favor the latter.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  237. Why stop at “miseducation”?

    California’s proposed ethnic studies curriculum urges students to chant to the Aztec deity of human sacrifice.

    The curriculum recommends that teachers lead their students in a series of indigenous songs, chants, and affirmations, including the “In Lak Ech Affirmation,” which appeals directly to the Aztec gods. Students first clap and chant to the god Tezkatlipoka—whom the Aztecs traditionally worshipped with human sacrifice and cannibalism—asking him for the power to be “warriors” for “social justice.” Next, the students chant to the gods Quetzalcoatl, Huitzilopochtli, and Xipe Totek, seeking “healing epistemologies” and “a revolutionary spirit.” Huitzilopochtli, in particular, is the Aztec deity of war and inspired hundreds of thousands of human sacrifices during Aztec rule.

    https://christopherrufo.com/revenge-of-the-gods/

    • Replies: @HA
    @Anon7

    "The curriculum recommends that teachers lead their students in a series of indigenous songs, chants, and affirmations..."

    This seems to me to be simply the academic equivalent of clickbait, or else those crazy dresses they show on runways that are not actually intended to go onto store shelves because no sane woman would wear them. The author ("R. Tolteka Cuauhtin") is purposely trying to outrage people just to get publicity.

    I mean, yes, I understand the Orwellian argument about how the crazy contortions, hoop jumps, and other stupid-human-tricks that the powers-that-be would have us perform have no other purpose than to humiliate us with their obvious absurdity and to keep pressing the boot in our faces forever. But this looks to me like mere outrage theatre or an attempt by Cuauhtin to burnish her street cred among fellow radicals.

    I'm more worried by those who wisely follow the more traditional route of initially dismissing any major changes as reactionary rumor mongering (e.g., "no one will ever try to give puberty-blockers to children, that's just a right-wing conspiracy theory"). THOSE are the ones you have to watch out for.

  238. @neutral
    @RichardTaylor


    God knows Latin America will always be 3rd tier due to race-mixing
     
    Did you fail to notice what is happening in the USA?

    Replies: @Anonymous 1

    And what’s happening to the USA is due to the same race mixing that happened in Latin America.

  239. @Art Deco
    @HA

    It wouldn't be difficult to contrive formulae which would calibrate penalties for statutory rape to the age differential between the parties, but that would require that state legislators be composed of people who've mastered algebra. Lawyers don't do that.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @HA, @Jack D

    Ouch.
    I wonder who on Unz this missive could have been intended for?

  240. Anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:

    But a dozen years ago, the people doing charter takeovers of American public schools, like Imam Gulen of Turkey, were seen as the Good Guys, so you weren’t supposed to question them.

    Not really comparable, since the Gulenists are a CIA operation that uses not just charter schools but fake universities as cover for their operations:

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @Anonymous


    Not really comparable, since the Gulenists are a CIA operation that uses not just charter schools but fake universities as cover for their operations:
     
    I have no idea if this comment is correct. Probably not.

    But I know from one of the parents of an extremely smart young man, that the CIA does attempt to recruit students from private 'elite' high schools who aren't even yet in college.

    This parent, a highly successful professional who immigrated as a refugee from a Soviet bloc country decades ago, told me that it was because of this parent's ethnic background (and obviously high IQs of both professional parents) that they were interested in him.

    I don't know what they were offering exactly, as the recruitment offer was rebuffed.

    My conclusion is that they can do all the recruiting they want from places like Harvard-Westlake and have no real need to set up elaborate business fronts like prep schools. I'm pretty sure all intelligence/secret police outfits worldwide do this kind of early 'stealth' recruiting, probably with admission "fixes" and undisclosed "scholarship" payments.

    Yet despite this, our CIA seems clueless and helpless. Oh, but all of their 'victories' must be keep secret!
  241. @Aardvark
    @anonymous

    If the parents don't want their school doing these things, why haven't the parents showed up at a board meeting with pitchforks and made it clear one of two things could happen if this nonsense doesn't stop immediately; you get aerated or our money goes elsewhere?

    Replies: @anon

    why haven’t the parents

    Because life isn’t a Hallmark channel goodfeelze movie.

  242. @Art Deco
    @anon

    Think it through. How did Dalton School wind up hiring a perv? Barr took over Dalton and recruited CIA’s most effective pedo blackmailer.


    Wm. Barr's father was the headmaster of the Dalton School. Epstein was employed there as a math teacher for about two years, ca. 1977, when he was 23 years old.

    While we're at it, no one has to date accused Epstein of molesting a prepubescent child. His interests were in late-adolescent / post-adolescent girls. (I think there's been one accusation about a 14 year old).

    Replies: @Jack D, @Paperback Writer, @Alden, @JohnnyWalker123, @JohnnyWalker123

    While we’re at it, no one has to date accused Epstein of molesting a prepubescent child. His interests were in late-adolescent / post-adolescent girls. (I think there’s been one accusation about a 14 year old).

    That’s true but what’s your point?

  243. Two H.S. Valedictorians in my immediate family. The Harvard-Westlake one attended UCLA and had a fair experience; the other one, from a good suburban public school — knows that Cape Town is two words — attended an Ivy and got backed-up against the restroom wall by a dozen affirmative-action students, punishment for being a Republican. We both should have gone to Alabama.

    • Replies: @vhrm
    @SafeNow


    attended an Ivy and got backed-up against the restroom wall by a dozen affirmative-action students, punishment for being a Republican
     
    What's "backed-up against the restroom wall" really entail here? also what era was this?
    idk what was going on 70s and earlier but that seems pretty wild for 90s to say ~2015.
  244. Parents should be able to rent out a church basement or office complex and turn it into a school. If the parents were truly committed to the betterment of their children’s education, they would sacrifice the bells and whistles so as not to have their kids become brainwashed self-hating whites.

  245. Ah, the stuff upper middle class people don’t like.

  246. @Jack D
    @Nodwink

    Even assuming your characterization of what she did in college is accurate (it isn't), Bari Weiss is 36 years old so you are referring to things that she did 15 or more years ago.

    What Weiss really did was protest against the anti-Israel propaganda Arab professors at Columbia were feeding to their students. For example, when a Jewish student asked an Arab professor teaching an Arabic language class he was taking how to use the verb, 'prevent,' the professor wrote on the board, `Israel prevents ambulances from going into refugee camps.'

    In general, she fought against the fashionable anti-Semitism of the Left (which is sold under the guise of "anti-Zionism" but in fact is just thinly disguised anti-Semitism). And don't give me any BS about how Arabs are Semites too - "anti-Semitism" is just a 19th century German euphemism for Jew-hate and has nothing to do with any Semitic people other than the Jews. Don't make the mistake of thinking that just because these people hate Jews and you hate Jews too that these people are somehow your friends, because they aren't. They don't have anything good in mind for you either.

    Replies: @Sean, @AndrewR, @SFG, @Mr. Anon, @International Jew, @JohnnyWalker123, @Anonymous, @tommytomtom, @ATBOTL

    And don’t give me any BS about how Arabs are Semites too – “anti-Semitism” is just a 19th century German euphemism for Jew-hate and has nothing to do with any Semitic people other than the Jews.

    That claim couldn’t be more dead wrong. You as an Ashkenazi Jew are a partial racial Semite, related to Arabs. Accept reality. Arabs are your blood brothers. When we Europeans see your people in the flesh, we see the Arab features in your faces. The things about Jews that non-Jews dislike are all things that Arabs are also well known for: Greed, lying, clannishness,, fanaticism, interpersonal aggression, sexual aggression towards out group women etc.

    It’s all the same Semitic behavioral pattern.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @ATBOTL

    AJs are barely related to Arabs. They are 35-40% old Levantine, and that’s only pure AJs, but “Jews” includes people with substantial further European admixture. The natives of the Levant are indistinguishable from Greeks and Bulgarians and do not look like natives of the Arabian peninsula.

  247. @Art Deco
    @HA

    I'd suggest you take a walk through the capsule biographies you can find of notable CEOs, inside and outside the financial sector. The Ivy League is there. So are other private research universities, state schools, &c. The Ivy League accounts for about 0.5% of the baccalaureate degrees issued each year and many of their graduates live quite ordinary lives or owe their positions to some other factor.

    Replies: @HA

    “I’d suggest you take a walk through the capsule biographies you can find of notable CEOs, inside and outside the financial sector. The Ivy League is there. So are other private research universities, state schools, &c.”

    No one is arguing that the likelihood of getting to the top drops to infinitesimal if you get denied a spot at an Ivy League school or at Harvard-Westlake. That is especially true of the VERY top that you’re choosing to focus on, given that those positions are, in essence, vast BattleRoyale lotteries and tournaments, though it is far less true of that comfortable, cushy, range of professions that make up the rest of the well-off.

    And that gets us to the actual argument, which is that the likelihood of getting somewhere near the top does indeed drop significantly if you’re from State U over in Flyover-ville as opposed to Harvard or Harvard-Westlake. Maybe not enough to justify shelling out 40-large a year for a high school diploma (though perhaps the bigger justification for that is the bragging right of being able to tell everyone else that your child is going to Harvard-Westlake), but the odds are measurably different.

    To deny that indicates a lack of mastery not of algebra, but basic probability. I mean, sure, sometimes the little guy without deep pockets manages to prevail against the law firm packed with Ivy Leaguers raking in hundreds of dollars per billable hour. It does happen now and then. But in general, the odds of a victory very much favor the latter.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @HA

    To deny that indicates a lack of mastery not of algebra, but basic probability.

    If you're going to lecture me on my mastery of probability, you should actually cough up some numbers.

    Your contention is an inventive one: that Harvard-Westlake et al are tremendously important, but not going to show up in the biographies of prominent businessmen because they're all sharks and nothing else matters but their sharkitude except that doesn't matter in middle management or whatever.

    Again, the Ivy League cannot staff even 4% of the professional-managerial positions to be found in this country and they don't even do that as not all of their graduates obtain such positions.

    Replies: @HA

  248. @Hibernian
    @RichardTaylor


    We have decades before anything like a “collapse” could happen.
     
    How many, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5?

    It's already happening.

    Replies: @RichardTaylor

    It depends on what we mean by collapse. If we mean Mad Max, prepper dreamscape, then never. That won’t ever happen.

    If we mean a stagnating standard of living for Whites, and perhaps a long slow decline, that’s already happening, I agree (although some technology helps in the other direction).

    But the USA isn’t going to suddenly disappear. It will keep having all the assets I listed above. The key problem, the racial destruction of Whites, is a long slow process. I don’t know that ancient Aryan India ever “collapsed”. It just fell into misery over the centuries due to breeding out Whites.

    But that’s a very long process. The USA will have all the assets I listed above for generations.

  249. Anon[157] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    @Art Deco

    This. As a tenured prof at a good school that has gone nuts i am desperate to get out. These people could create schools that employ people like me. But the kids would not get a job at goldman. Those jobs are for people who have taken the ticket. Borrowing a line from Vox Day.

    Replies: @jilla2, @Art Deco, @HA, @Anon, @anonymous

    This. As a tenured prof at a good school that has gone nuts i am desperate to get out. These people could create schools that employ people like me. But the kids would not get a job at goldman. Those jobs are for people who have taken the ticket. Borrowing a line from Vox Day.

    Ultimately, profitable companies want to hire really smart people.

    I think that Goldman, et al., are hiring from Ivies because it’s a signal for intelligence and conscienciousness. I think they’re mostly still getting that, at least when they hire whites, Jews, and Asians

    But I think there’re plenty more smart people that the Ivies aren’t taking. The SAT and ACT now top out so low that there are too many perfect scores for the Ivies to handle. And there are a lot of students who feel miserable in their woke high schools and a few of them might be open to other possibilities.

    For instance, Peter Thiel types hiring them right out of high school. Thiel’s $100,000 if you skip college thing was focused on getting smart kids to be tech entrepreneurs right out of high school. But companies paying high salaries to smart high school graduates could also capture some disaffected, non-woke kids, especially combined with stock options in four years. An SAT or IQ test will tell how smart they are, now and in four years, and high school grades are a reasonable proxy for conscientiousness.

    The problem would be figuring out how to signal that your company is not woke. Trump support or extreme religiosity might do it, but would repel many smart, non-woke students, even if they get the joke. The one thing that might work is simply not caving to Twitter mobs. Don’t fire people for silly stuff. For serious stuff have investigations that take months, not minutes. Fire wokesters for insubordination, including internal troublemaking. Keep employees off of social media, even for their private lives: They’re welcome to work elsewhere if they don’t like it. Don’t use social media-style internal communications like Slack. Install land-line telephones instead. Protect employees with company-paid, infinite-budget legal support if they are attacked. In general, don’t comment about anything publicly that is not strictly related to your public-facing business product or services.

  250. HA says:
    @Art Deco
    @HA

    It wouldn't be difficult to contrive formulae which would calibrate penalties for statutory rape to the age differential between the parties, but that would require that state legislators be composed of people who've mastered algebra. Lawyers don't do that.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @HA, @Jack D

    “It wouldn’t be difficult to contrive formulae which would calibrate penalties for statutory rape to the age differential between the parties…”

    Agreed, but it would still be arbitrary and full of noise for something that is, in essence, incalculable (like much or most of the sentencing process). A single cutoff year makes for a Procrustean bed, but trying to slap on more parameters so as to create a sliding scale, or something like that, isn’t going to do much in the way of furthering justice, I would argue.

    After all, regardless of what the legislators (i.e. whichever of them decides to craft the bill in question, probably by pawning off the specifics on some underling) come up with, it’s ultimately up to the judge to determine how harsh the sentence will be, and that’s where you’ll find your sliding scale. My hunch is that a given judge is not going to give anyone the maximum penalty just because the victim was a day under 16. (Or if you choose to be more cynical, any improvement you envisage by legislating some sliding scale will still get washed out to a large extent by that arbitrary judicial sentencing prerogative.)

  251. @clifford brown
    @RichardTaylor


    So, just playing the cold odds, we’re still be the best bet for number one in 2100.
     
    Are you taking bets? Nations collapse like bankruptcies, slowly at first, then all at once. The US will be lucky to make it through the next decade in one piece. No way it is dominant by 2050.

    https://twitter.com/Morlock16758734/status/1351750674451722240

    The Chinese seizing Taiwan from under the nose of Sleepy Joe may expedite an imperial collapse on par with how with how the Russo-Japanese War impacted czarist Russia.

    How will The Federal Reserve and Wall Street react when they realize their vaunted military is no longer dominant? The Chinese have something to say about Interesting Times.

    Replies: @RichardTaylor, @Deckin

    We’ve had losers in the military before. It’s true, at least half of the military is a social welfare program. But, we have more than enough assets to protect ourselves many times over.

    The Chinese are not White men. In their 3,000 year history they never even attacked India. Did China ever occupy Japan? I don’t think so, but the opposite happened. Japan can build nuclear weapons anytime and may already have them. South Korea claims not to have nukes, but probably does.

    China has Russia to deal with. Think of it, China has several big nuclear powers near its borders. The USA has none.

    The Chinese have 290 nuclear weapons. We have 6,000. Let’s be realistic. I don’t like what our “elites” are doing either, but we can’t give in to wishful thinking that somehow their bad leadership means it’s will all collapse.

    • Replies: @Sam Malone
    @RichardTaylor

    Yep, complacency sounds like the optimal approach to Chinese capabilities and belligerence.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/were-going-to-lose-fast-us-air-force-held-a-war-game-that-started-with-a-chinese-biological-attack-170003936.html

    'We're going to lose fast': U.S. Air Force held a war game that started with a Chinese biological attack

    “At that point the trend in our war games was not just that we were losing, but we were losing faster,” Hinote said. “After the 2018 war game I distinctly remember one of our gurus of war gaming standing in front of the Air Force secretary and chief of staff, and telling them that we should never play this war game scenario [of a Chinese attack on Taiwan] again, because we know what is going to happen."

    , @Muggles
    @RichardTaylor


    The Chinese are not White men. In their 3,000 year history they never even attacked India. Did China ever occupy Japan?
     
    Being white has nothing to do with it. All races have had warlike nation states; still do.

    While China is huge it is, like Europe, is fractured by large rivers, hills, valleys and somewhat differing language groups and some ethnic differences. Even unity under various emperors was hard to achieve and often didn't last long.

    Mongols overran China successfully. Only the Black Plague ended their rule. China has invaded/occupied both Korea and Vietnam (and now Tibet) and tried to invade Japan. That was only thwarted by a fortunate tsunami (for the Japanese, fortunate). Most of the later emperors enforced a harsh isolationist policy, even restricting trade.

    So compared to say, Germany, not so aggressive. But the (dot) Indians would disagree with you about no invasions there. Maybe just "minor border adjustments."

    China proper is on the north, west and most of the south, protected/isolated by deserts, mountains, extreme Siberian geography and in some places (SE Asia) tropical jungles. To the east, an ocean.

    Historically though, I don't think that outside of modern Chinese territory, they have been expansionist. Too difficult in the past to occupy hostile neighbors for long.
  252. @anon
    @Anonymous


    It is much, much more realistic to get into a top 10 college from one of these schools.
     
    You don't say. According to this college admissions data guest007 posted earlier:
    https://www.hw.com/about/HW-at-a-Glance/Matriculation

    Out of a graduating class of around 218 kids, on average Harvard-Westlake sends 58 kids to the Top 10 in each of the last 5 years, broken down as follows:

    Harvard: 9
    Cornell: 8
    Penn: 7.8
    Stanford: 7
    Brown: 6.4
    Columbia: 5.8
    Yale: 4.6
    Dartmouth: 4
    Princeton: 3.8
    MIT: 1.8

    Total: 58.2, that's 26.7% of the graduating class going on to a top ten.

    In comparison, a good year for our highly touted local public high school means out of a graduating class of 525, we get: 2 to Yale/Princeton, 1 to Stanford, 1 to MIT, 0 to Harvard, 2 to Cornell, 1 to Columbia, Penn, Brown or Dartmouth, or 7/525, 1.3%.

    Replies: @houston 1992, @The Last Real Calvinist

    how do students and their families rate the Service academies ? Is their prestige in decline?

  253. @guest007
    If one looks at where Harvard-Westlake graduates go to college, one will understand why the parents will pay so much and tolerate so much.

    https://www.hw.com/about/HW-at-a-Glance/Matriculation

    When NYU is the safety school of the graduates, the school sells itself. What the college list also shows is how much the parents and their children actually hate living in Southern California and want to leave.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    H-W’s university admissions track record is fantastic.

    Here’s how many H-W students got into the Ivies last year:

    Harvard — 5
    Yale — 7
    Princeton — 5
    Columbia — 6
    Penn — 6
    Brown — 8
    Cornell — 9
    Dartmouth — 5

    If my arithmetic skills haven’t failed me, that’s 51 Ivy admits.

    And here are H-W’s numbers for other big-name universities:

    Stanford — 7
    Duke — 3
    Northwestern — 3
    Chicago — 13(!)
    MIT — 1
    Caltech — 0

    Add these 27 additional admits to top-15 universities to the 51 Ivies, and you’ve got 78 already.

    And then there are dozens and dozens more admitted to NYU, Georgetown, top liberal arts colleges such as Amherst, Claremont-McKenna, Carelton, and on and on.

    You tell me what H-W is selling.

    • Replies: @guest007
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Considering the senior class is around 400 students, that is an impressive umber.

  254. @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    It's very common for men who are interested in post-pubescent teens (of either sex) to be called "child molestors" even though true child molestation is something else.

    Age of consent laws in the US tend to run high by world standards (although clearly they are not enforced in most cases, especially if the other partner is of similar age - if they were then half the teenagers in America would be in jail) - in the range of 16 to 18. Forgetting about uncivilized places in Africa and the Middle East, even in many European countries the age of consent is as low as 14.

    Clearly many young men and women who are 16 and even younger are sexually active, whether or not this is legal. We find it kind of creepy if they choose older men (or women) as their dates but this is really more a matter of taste than something the law should be interested in. In the less prudish 1970s, Woody Allen openly dated the 17 yr old Mariel Hemingway and Seinfeld also had a HS age sweetheart. Epstein has been retconned into some sort of monster but there's a lot of hypocrisy going on. He was not robbing the cradle. These girls were probably giving it away for free to their pimply teenage classmates so they figured that at least with Epstein they could cash in. Now that these same women have hit the Wall, they are suddenly reformed virgins and would like to cash in a second time.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @HA, @Art Deco, @clifford brown, @MBlanc46, @anon, @AnotherDad, @R.G. Camara

    It’s very common for men who are interested in post-pubescent teens (of either sex) to be called “child molestors” even though true child molestation is something else.

    Age of consent laws in the US tend to run high by world standards…

    *Record scratch*

    By all means, keep digging.

  255. @International Jew
    @Jack D

    My sense is that Bari Weiss' words are resonating with a lot of liberal Jews.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Bingo!

    Weiss isn’t worried about the Woke mob. She’s worried that the Woke mob might move from gentile Whites to Jews.

    I have no problem with that. She’s looking out for her own.

  256. @Anon
    @Anon

    I downloaded the 2019 Form 990:

    https://apps.irs.gov/pub/epostcard/cor/951644019_201906_990_2019112216883237.pdf

    They have 38 trustees, it appears.

    There's a teacher who's getting $258,000. He's listed as the highest compensated employee. A guy named Robert Levin. I wonder what the 90 percentile teacher gets, and the 50 percentile. The President is getting $692,000. Levin is number 5, and the three between him and the president are pretty close to Levin's salary.

    Replies: @education realist

    He’s not a teacher. He’s the CFO. Google him.

  257. HA says:
    @Anon7
    Why stop at “miseducation”?

    California’s proposed ethnic studies curriculum urges students to chant to the Aztec deity of human sacrifice.

    The curriculum recommends that teachers lead their students in a series of indigenous songs, chants, and affirmations, including the “In Lak Ech Affirmation,” which appeals directly to the Aztec gods. Students first clap and chant to the god Tezkatlipoka—whom the Aztecs traditionally worshipped with human sacrifice and cannibalism—asking him for the power to be “warriors” for “social justice.” Next, the students chant to the gods Quetzalcoatl, Huitzilopochtli, and Xipe Totek, seeking “healing epistemologies” and “a revolutionary spirit.” Huitzilopochtli, in particular, is the Aztec deity of war and inspired hundreds of thousands of human sacrifices during Aztec rule.

    https://christopherrufo.com/revenge-of-the-gods/
     

    Replies: @HA

    “The curriculum recommends that teachers lead their students in a series of indigenous songs, chants, and affirmations…”

    This seems to me to be simply the academic equivalent of clickbait, or else those crazy dresses they show on runways that are not actually intended to go onto store shelves because no sane woman would wear them. The author (“R. Tolteka Cuauhtin”) is purposely trying to outrage people just to get publicity.

    I mean, yes, I understand the Orwellian argument about how the crazy contortions, hoop jumps, and other stupid-human-tricks that the powers-that-be would have us perform have no other purpose than to humiliate us with their obvious absurdity and to keep pressing the boot in our faces forever. But this looks to me like mere outrage theatre or an attempt by Cuauhtin to burnish her street cred among fellow radicals.

    I’m more worried by those who wisely follow the more traditional route of initially dismissing any major changes as reactionary rumor mongering (e.g., “no one will ever try to give puberty-blockers to children, that’s just a right-wing conspiracy theory”). THOSE are the ones you have to watch out for.

  258. anon[414] • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Not necessarily. During the Bush-era, conservatives slandered anyone who was anti-war as “unpatriotic” and “soft on terrorism.”

    No, David Frum tossed a spear at a mess of people associated with the Rockford Institute. He didn't have to slander Thomas Fleming. He just had to quote things he'd said, verbatim and in context. Fleming had, among other things, made Chronicles a mouthpiece for violent Serb particularists, costing the magazine about 2/3 of its audited circulation.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Mr. Anon, @anon, @Nicholas Stix

    No, David Frum tossed a spear at a mess of people associated with the Rockford Institute.

    David Frum flatly said anyone not fully on board with the great Mesopotamian adventure should be Drummed out of the Republican party.

    “Unpatriotic Conservatives” apparently has been memoryholed at National Review. Perhaps I can find an image somewhere. I do have this quote from the odious Frum:

    “They have made common cause with the left-wing and Islamist antiwar movements in this country and in Europe. They deny and excuse terror. They espouse a potentially self-fulfilling defeatism. They publicize wild conspiracy theories. And some of them explicitly yearn for the victory of their nation’s enemies.”

    “They” in this case was actual conservatives who questioned the wisdom of invading Iraq in 2003. Note that neither Frum nor any other cheerleaders for war actually put on a uniform, and that explicitly includes Ben Shapiro who was of an age to volunteer. Instead the warmongers like Frum stood by while ordinary guys from flyover went to the sandbox. Some are my friends. Some were my friends.

    David Frum tossed a giant barrel of mud on a whole lot of people, and now he’s pretending he never did that, aided by memoryholers on the Internet who are eager to retcon recent history for reasons.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @anon

    Among the Iraq War skeptics in 2002 was Heather Mac Donald, who has been employed by the Manhattan Institute right along and not the object of David Frum's javelins. Because she's not a rude crank.

    Replies: @anon

  259. @zacie
    I like how Fatglesias took off the mask profile pic for a month but has chosen to replace it with another masked image. Is the masking phenomenon just a way for ugly people to hide their ugliness?

    Replies: @Jim Christian

    Masks have certainly hidden my scruffy, unshaven face over the months, quite aside from all my ugly.

  260. @The Last Real Calvinist
    @guest007

    H-W's university admissions track record is fantastic.

    Here's how many H-W students got into the Ivies last year:

    Harvard -- 5
    Yale -- 7
    Princeton -- 5
    Columbia -- 6
    Penn -- 6
    Brown -- 8
    Cornell -- 9
    Dartmouth -- 5

    If my arithmetic skills haven't failed me, that's 51 Ivy admits.

    And here are H-W's numbers for other big-name universities:

    Stanford -- 7
    Duke -- 3
    Northwestern -- 3
    Chicago -- 13(!)
    MIT -- 1
    Caltech -- 0

    Add these 27 additional admits to top-15 universities to the 51 Ivies, and you've got 78 already.

    And then there are dozens and dozens more admitted to NYU, Georgetown, top liberal arts colleges such as Amherst, Claremont-McKenna, Carelton, and on and on.

    You tell me what H-W is selling.

    Replies: @guest007

    Considering the senior class is around 400 students, that is an impressive umber.

  261. The woke takeover of richly endowed schools is yet another example of Robert Conquest’s 2nd law of politics — “Any organization not explicitly right-wing sooner or later becomes left-wing.”[1]

    Ref.
    [1] https://www.isegoria.net/2008/07/robert-conquests-three-laws-of-politics/

  262. anon[414] • Disclaimer says:
    @R.G. Camara
    @Nodwink

    Don't forget, Joe Rogan completely exposed Bari Weiss as a sub-100 IQ bot on his show, merely by asking her basic questions as to how she formed her political opinions on various subjects, e.g. Tulsi Gabbard.

    Weiss admitted she only formed her opinions based on rumor and how others viewed a subject, didn't do any independent research, and actually didn't even know the very meaning of the words she was repeating about Gabbard, e.g. she called Gabbard an Assad "toadie" then mentioned she didn't know what the word meant.

    To embarrass her, Rogan merely pulled up the definition of the word and Weiss admitted she was wrong about it. Then quizzed her on what made Gabbard so bad and Weiss couldn't actually form a coherent argument; she was merely a CIA asset repeating their verbage.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpurFfcSNfU

    Here's far-left Jimmy Dore roasting this uniformed worm's meltdown on Rogan.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS-sxJFn6O0

    And City Journal hired this hack? Pathetic. I guess they want the CIA's opinion mainlined in their magazine.

    Replies: @anon

    Thank you very much for the timely reminder of just how ignorant and airheaded Bari Weiss actually is. The fact that this featherbrain was on the editorial board of the NY Times would strongly suggest that a certain form of (((nepotism))) is alive and very well, if it wasn’t totally impossible.

    Also strong evidence that verbal facility need not be associated with very much intelligence.

    • Agree: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @black sea
    @anon


    strong evidence that verbal facility . . .

     

    But is there strong evidence that she has verbal facility?
  263. @Art Deco
    @HA

    It wouldn't be difficult to contrive formulae which would calibrate penalties for statutory rape to the age differential between the parties, but that would require that state legislators be composed of people who've mastered algebra. Lawyers don't do that.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @HA, @Jack D

    Many statutory rape laws in fact have Romeo and Juliet clauses that provide exceptions when there is a small age difference.

  264. @Jilla
    @Nodwink

    yeah, but this is the game the woke are playing. prime example is all that bs from megan markle. the amount of hate the royal family is getting on social media from american blacks (who my guess previously couldn't have cared less about) is incredible.

    we need people on our side who can play the game. I'm no fan of bari Weiss but the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

    Replies: @Ed

    American blacks only matter in America and only to the fawning media.

  265. @HA
    @Jack D

    "He was not robbing the cradle."

    He was, if the accusations are correct -- and if you think they're not, then you probably also believe the "real killers" of Nicole Brown Simpson are still out there -- guilty of statutory rape and sex trafficking, depending on the locality and specifics. As has been noted, one of the "women" was 14, and several others under 16. That's why Seinfeld and Allen are still walking the streets. Yeah, if a 17-year-old male teen passed these girls around to give "massages" to his friends, he'd get a pass (at least in some locales), but in that case the power differential wouldn't be as vast. There's a reason why actual adults are held to a higher standard. People like to complain about the inherent arbitrariness of statutory rape laws ("wait, so if she's a day over 16 I'm in the clear whereas if she's a day under I go to prison?") but getting rid of them altogether is, in most countries not run by potential ISIS recruits, a bridge too far.

    It may well be unfair that Don Henley and Ted Nugent and Steve Tyler and Jimmy Page are still walking the streets and Epstein and R Kelly are regarded as monsters, but really, maybe the better way to address that is to start holding everyone -- even 70's rock stars -- to a higher standard. To try and go the other way, given where we are, is a losing argument.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Jack D

    Germany , Italy, etc. aren’t run by Isis yet but their age of consent is 14 and the world has not ended.

    • Replies: @HA
    @Jack D

    "Germany , Italy, etc. aren’t run by Isis yet but their age of consent is 14 and the world has not ended."

    Which has nothing whatsoever to do with what my comment, which was that getting rid of age-of-consent laws altogether is the kind of thing that potential ISIS recruits might be in favor of. I mean, read what I actually said. If Germany and Italy have an age of consent of 14, as you yourself say, then they haven't gotten rid of them altogether either. Moreover, there is undoubtedly some idiot there, too, crying about how unfair it is that he's in prison given that some other country somewhere that would allow him to have sex with 13 year olds without the world ending. I don't have much sympathy for him, either.

    No one is saying that statutory rape laws aren't inherently arbitrary. I took pains to stipulate that. But try and offer something better in response than saying the world wouldn't end if they were a little looser. Of what legislation could that NOT be said? How about this -- what if we raised it up a year higher? Is the world going to end then? I don't think so. So it's not a real argument.

    I mean, I get it. Of all the injustices in this world, one of the ones that really seems to get your goat is that 40-ish-year-old men and assorted Brish royals are not allowed to have sex with 16-year-old "women" without everyone getting all judgmental and stinkeyed about it. Oh, the horror! What is this world coming to? Well, that's your right, I guess. Speaking for myself, I'm gonna wait a while before I start worrying about that. How long, you ask? I'm gonna say "never". Does that work for you?

    Replies: @Johann Ricke

  266. @Patrick McNally
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    This is why total decline is necessary before any rejuvenation is possible. Until Harvard rots away completely there will be many well-to-do people who simply find it more advantageous to go along to get along. That, in turn, facilitates the rot even further.

    Replies: @stillCARealist, @The Last Real Calvinist

    Until Harvard rots away completely . . .

    Big-name universities are at a high point historically in terms of their prestige and power. Quite a few of the big names globally are 400-800 years old. Other than maybe the Roman Catholic Church, what other institution has enjoyed this kind of stability?

    Unfortunately, there is a big difference between ‘rotting’ and ‘rotting away completely’. How long are you prepared to wait?

  267. @Nodwink
    Bari Weiss spent most of her college years trying to cancel Palestinian activists on campus. I would be very suspicious of anything written by her; Weiss has a reputation for distortion, exaggeration, or straight out falsehoods.

    Replies: @Icy Blast, @PhysicistDave, @Danindc, @anonymous, @Jack D, @Paperback Writer, @Paperback Writer, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @AndrewR, @bomag, @Jilla, @R.G. Camara, @Colin Wright

    ‘Bari Weiss spent most of her college years trying to cancel Palestinian activists on campus. I would be very suspicious of anything written by her; Weiss has a reputation for distortion, exaggeration, or straight out falsehoods.’

    Nazis can denounce Stalinists. It doesn’t imply that either party is good.

  268. @DiogenesNYC
    My kids go to one of the schools profiled in Bari’s piece.

    As dystopic as the essay makes it seem, most kids have a way of treating the ideology espoused by their teachers (or parents) as suspect, since roughly... ever. That’s * especially * true when the indoctrination apparatchiks lack cleverness, self-confidence or self-awareness.

    Ironically, amongst some of our friends, the running joke (or lament, as the case may be) is that the ham handed efforts by the school have succeeded only in transforming all of the boys into Republicans!

    Alex P. Keaton all over again.

    Replies: @Chief Seattle

    I’m seeing the same thing. Boys will be boys.

    The early 90s seemed like a reaction to the busing and crime disasters of the early 70s. I hope we don’t have to wait 20 years to end this craziness. It seems so crazy, and information travels so much faster, that it might just burn itself out sooner.

  269. @ginger bread man
    Contrary to Steve’s idea that it’s woke administrators and activists creating the anti-white history and humanities curriculum, Much of this wokeness is actually coming from the students. Similar to high school demonstrations against the Vietnam war in the 60s and 70s, this woke revolution is coming from the students themselves.

    Many of these teens organized actually BLM protests in suburbia that were mostly peaceful because they were attended by high school students and their parents/friends.

    I work as a middle school humanities teacher at a private school in NYC and it’s often one or two students. In the class who are pushing the woke agenda.

    I am required to teach to Kill a Mockingbird, and when reading, the kids couldn’t complained to the principal that we shouldn’t be reading this book because it contains the N-word. Some students can’t bear to hear the word Negro because it’s offensive. Despite the fact that this unit is explicitly teaching Anti-racism! There are other examples, but it’s the students who are pushing for more wokeness in school in my opinion. Most teachers fall into place because they’re sympathetic, and woke administrators are only too happy to oblige them out of either genuine belief or fear of getting cancelled.

    On a tangential note, Vox is trying to cancel To Kill a Mockingbird because it’s not “good literature”. It’s “cheap” and only received adoption in schools because it was one of the first to hit the paperback market. I doubt that and think there must be a woke rationale for cancelling this American mainstay. Here’s a video showing Vox’s disdain for that book: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSVlSmZWzm0

    Replies: @Known Fact

    My wife taught Mockingbird for years to minority Catholic-school teen girls and it was always immensely popular. To me the book, movie and play are the very essence of groveling white wokeness. Of course the author is a dead white person so I suppose it’s ripe for cancellation just so some BIPOC-generated twaddle can take its lucrative place in the curriculum.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Known Fact

    I really hope Mockingbird gets trashed. It was massive massive propaganda denying the fact that black men commit the majority of rapes and obnoxious, not just unwanted harassment.

    It led to tens of thousands of black on White rapes not prosecuted because the DAs knew the victim would be trashed, every rabble rousing grant grudging revun leading a mob outside the courthouse.

    That book was responsible for the outbreak of black rapists. It was the basic rape defense for decades. “ She really wanted it.”

    Mice and Men get rid of the class warfare Marxism and it’s. Farm worker is justified in killing farmer’s wife because farmer owns the farm.

    Mockingbird was very cleverly written to appeal to the barely middle class sense of superiority over the White trash woman so desperate for sex she waylays a saintly virtuous black man drags him into the house and tries to rape him.
    I would love to burn every copy of the book and movie.

    If you weren’t working in sex crimes after Mockingbird you can’t imagine how much that book contributed to black men getting away with the most egregious sex crimes.

    There was a period of 12-15 years when Alameda County (Oakland) Ca DAs office refused to prosecute any black on White rapes. The DAs knew they’d lose and there would be riots as well as editorials demanding the black rapists not be prosecuted.

    You men of UNZ are often indignant at the reaction of the feminazis and law enforcement to the Mockinbird defense. Believe the victim don’t believe the accused. That was a reaction to the Mockinbird defense that the victims really wanted sex with black rapists. Proud to say I was instrumental in overthrowing the Mockinbird defense in my county.

    Mockingbird propaganda relentlessly shoved at high school girls for the last 60 years is the reason so many middle class White women are so pro black and anti White.

    That book was as bad as the Leo Frank defense in making it difficult to prosecute rape.

    I’m glad it’s being trashed. And I believe Truman Capote, not Harper Lee write it. Author publisher and every teacher who imposed that rape propaganda should burn in hell forever and ever amen.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @kaganovitch

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @Known Fact


    My wife taught Mockingbird for years to minority Catholic-school teen girls and it was always immensely popular. To me the book, movie and play are the very essence of groveling white wokeness.
     
    We did not have to read the book in HS, but we did have to see the movie, which, even as a yute, I thought was a bunch of sanctimonious twaddle. I liked Gregory Peck much better as Horatio Hornblower.
  270. @Forbes
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Some years ago, a family friend was a top executive at the largest industrial company in the US, with responsibilities that included HR (personnel & labor union relations). Every three years they would cull headcount (non-union) by dropping the bottom 10% performers (based on annual performance reviews).

    And while the company recruited from colleges and universities across the country, the Ivies were just as proportionally represented in the dismissals--they didn't represent higher employment prospects or performance. The real world acts as a giant leveler as compared to the narrow realm of academics.

    My own experience with two HS friends who matriculated at Harvard was their reporting that most of us (their friends) could perform quite handily at Harvard--the academics weren't especially difficult. It was getting in that was difficult.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    And while the company recruited from colleges and universities across the country, the Ivies were just as proportionally represented in the dismissals–they didn’t represent higher employment prospects or performance. The real world acts as a giant leveler as compared to the narrow realm of academics.

    But GE didn’t have a particular Ivy jones. Welch himself was an Amherst , U of Illinois-Champaign-Urbana guy. In those law firms and merchant bankers that pride themselves on Ivy league recruitment, you can bet the Ivies represent higher employment prospects.

  271. @HA
    @Anon

    "But the kids would not get a job at goldman."

    Exactly. Harvard (or Princeton or Stanford) admissions officers are not going to be persuaded all that much by "satisfactory teachers", however one chooses to define that, whereas parents have the utmost confidence (rightly or wrongly) those people will at least pay attention should the Harvard-Westlake brand name be name-dropped into the application process. That is what they're paying for.

    And if the application form is from a school that was originally formed by disgruntled ex-Harvard-Westlake teachers/parents angry about too much "wokeness", that will get attention too, but unfortunately, it will be given the same treatment that letters sprinkled with anthrax get. That's the dilemma, as I understand it. At some point the dam might burst, and the split might happen, but even if it ultimately succeeds, it's going to be rough for that first or second generation of renegades (whose parents aren't Murdochs or who are not wealthy enough to drop ten rocks on a new science wing just to give their child a sociology diploma).

    So I suspect they'll just try and subvert from within. Rich, well-connected people are better at that kind of thing than they are at bucking the trend. And to be fair, trailblazers tend to wind up with more arrow holes than gold nuggets.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @The Last Real Calvinist

    Harvard (or Princeton or Stanford) admissions officers are not going to be persuaded all that much by “satisfactory teachers”, however one chooses to define that, whereas parents have the utmost confidence (rightly or wrongly) those people will at least pay attention should the Harvard-Westlake brand name be name-dropped into the application process. That is what they’re paying for.

    They’re paying for more than just the school’s name and reputation. They’re paying for the H-W guidance counselors/university admissions advisors to be in actual contact with/known to admissions people at top universities, and to work hard to ‘sell’ their kids’ applications.

    Schools like H-W are also going to be quasi-allocated a number of admits at a given university, up to a rough ceiling each year.

    • Replies: @HA
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    "They’re paying for the H-W guidance counselors/university admissions advisors to be in actual contact with/known to admissions people at top universities, and to work hard to ‘sell’ their kids’ applications."

    Yeah, that's a good point, and there's also the benefit of being with other kids whose brothers and sisters went through the same routine (or who just "get it") and who have all the kinks worked out as far as dressing up resumes and writing essays and so forth. Some of those kids at other less connected schools are like Bobby Fischer trying to learn chess all on his own without much in the way of guidance or team synergy. And as we all now know, there are consulting/testing/tutoring services that can help with that, some of them staffed by former admissions personnel that can help with those contacts in the admissions departments as well (or so they claim). Preferably, this would all be done in a somewhat less blatantly illegal manner than what got Lori Loughlin and Felicity Huffman in trouble, to the extent that the university would look the other way, similar to how it rationalizes the acceptance letters given to donors. I'm not sure if the overall price tag would be more or less than the several years of 40K required to finance Harvard-Westlake, but it's definitely something that needs to be factored in.

  272. @Bill P
    Founding schools is something Anglo Americans used to excel at. Where did all these prep schools come from in the first place? If anything, the fact that these parents and teachers, despite their considerable resources, don't seem to be willing or able to do so shows a real deterioration of the American spirit of independence and civic initiative.

    As for the school's descent into wokeness, the board is entirely to blame. I don't see how it could have happened without the explicit assent of the people who control the funds. So, really, it isn't a case of spiteful little sjw hirelings taking over. This comes straight from the top. Probably the richest board members are bullying upper middle class striver parents with this stuff. Why would they do that? Well, isn't that what power is for, to be used? The really rich parents could care less what's being taught at the school. Their kids learn the most important lessons at the country clubs (who you know is much more important than what you know) and get into good schools whether they are good students or not.

    I feel a mixture of pity and frustration when I think of these upper middle class striver Americans. About half my friends are in this category, and they seem to be stuck in a sort of psychological prison. They have to be "respectable," but every day the costs grow and the requirements become ever more deranged and bizarre. Why can't they just let it go? You don't get to the top by being a scrupulous, obedient person, so why do they keep trying? Also, being "power adjacent" really sucks. The people at the top of our society are often raging sociopaths who think nothing of destroying lives. Why on earth would you want to be anywhere near them or their children?

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @vhrm

    I feel a mixture of pity and frustration when I think of these upper middle class striver Americans. About half my friends are in this category, and they seem to be stuck in a sort of psychological prison. They have to be “respectable,” but every day the costs grow and the requirements become ever more deranged and bizarre. Why can’t they just let it go? You don’t get to the top by being a scrupulous, obedient person, so why do they keep trying? Also, being “power adjacent” really sucks. The people at the top of our society are often raging sociopaths who think nothing of destroying lives. Why on earth would you want to be anywhere near them or their children?

    This is a gold-star passage.

    If you can wrench your gaze away from the cheap glitter of worldly credentials and status, and gain just enough perspective to glimpse the real shape of this striving, it’s an ugly image.

    Upper-middle-class people, in Paul Fussell’s famous book Class, should have just about the best deal going — no real money worries, generally stable families, rewarding work, time and requisite educational background to pursue hobbies and interests of all types. And yet so many people in this enviable situation pawn their golden tickets to contentment and spend the proceeds on status striving.

    Human nature is fallen; sin infects what seem even the purest of our joys.

  273. It would be interesting to see a link to a FAQ(s) on setting-up and operating, by students and parents, a clandestine cell-structured [1][2] organization to resist indoctrination within a school. The past 20 years of advances in anonymous digital communications techniques would seem to facilitate such undertakings.

    Have high school students really changed so much in recent decades? The youthful me would have delighted in participating in such an undertaking.

    Given the current ability to covertly record (audio/audiovisual) teachers, I suspect that there is extensive opportunity for students to put their teachers on the record pursuing indoctrination. I suspect that the likes of Project Veritas would be happy to publish such recordings.

    Ref.
    [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clandestine_cell_system
    [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leaderless_resistance

    • Replies: @vhrm
    @Thurston

    Thanks for those links, but the 2nd part of your message doesn't apply:

    There's no need to covertly record the teachers doing indoctrination. The administration and consultants proudly proclaim the indoctrination curriculum and most of the teachers and parents cheer. If anything it would be the woke who would record the teachers teaching without adequate enthusiasm or expressing counterrevolutionary thoughts.

    (also, imo, Project Veritas mostly shoots themselves in the foot with QAnon style overhyping. I've only looked into 3 or 4 of their things over the years but i can't remember a single one that was more than a mild "yeah... i guess... " )

  274. @clifford brown
    @RichardTaylor


    So, just playing the cold odds, we’re still be the best bet for number one in 2100.
     
    Are you taking bets? Nations collapse like bankruptcies, slowly at first, then all at once. The US will be lucky to make it through the next decade in one piece. No way it is dominant by 2050.

    https://twitter.com/Morlock16758734/status/1351750674451722240

    The Chinese seizing Taiwan from under the nose of Sleepy Joe may expedite an imperial collapse on par with how with how the Russo-Japanese War impacted czarist Russia.

    How will The Federal Reserve and Wall Street react when they realize their vaunted military is no longer dominant? The Chinese have something to say about Interesting Times.

    Replies: @RichardTaylor, @Deckin

    While the Chinese are maintaining their always impressive marching skills, US soldiers have been actually using their guns and tactics in real shooting wars, for better or for worse, for 20 years now. I wouldn’t read too much into stupid videos. Also, can you let us know of the last war the Chinese actually won?

  275. @PhysicistDave
    Sailer asked:

    Why do the Woke get away with their piracy so often?
     
    I think the reason is simple: they are willing to band together to ostracize, boycott, or cancel anyone who does not get with the program, whereas most ordinary, decent Americans are repelled by this sort of lynch mob behavior.

    Why isn't Tucker or Hannity or Trump organizing a boycott of Bed, Bath, and Beyond for kicking out Mike Lindell's products?

    Because that just doesn't "feel right" to most of us. We want to live in a country in which people are not penalized financially or career-wise for their political or religious opinions. I don't ask my barber or my plumber what his political views are and then reject him if they are different from mine.

    We think this is a great achievement that America works this way.

    Except it no longer does.

    We might not have the luxury of thinking this way any longer.

    Personally, I hate it: I do not want to carefully vet either the businesses I patronize or my friends or neighbors based on their political opinions.

    But we may have no choice.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Squid, @SimplePseudonymicHandle, @Achmed E. Newman, @Desiderius, @nebulafox, @JimB, @JohnnyWalker123, @vinteuil, @Kylie

    “We want to live in a country in which people are not penalized financially or career-wise for their political or religious opinions.”

    Yes, but that is no longer the country I live in.

    “I don’t ask my barber or my plumber what his political views are and then reject him if they are different from mine.”

    I do. Well, not my barber or plumber but my dentist and my Mr. Fixit.

    “We think this is a great achievement that America works this way.

    Except it no longer does.”

    You said it.

    “We might not have the luxury of thinking this way any longer.”

    Right idea, wrong tense.

    “Personally, I hate it: I do not want to carefully vet either the businesses I patronize or my friends or neighbors based on their political opinions.”

    Agreed.

    “But we may have no choice.”

    Again, right idea, wrong tense. Back in 2010, when I could no longer tolerate the left pushing its hateful agenda via pop culture, I dropped cable and network TV and did a purge of my books, CDs and DVDs. I just went on from there.

    It’s not spite that motivates me. I just don’t want to contribute to the well-being and livelihood of anyone left of center. To do so is to give aid and comfort to the enemy. And make no mistake, they are our enemies. They do not wish us well and they’d gleefully exterminate us if they didn’t need us. They are like hate-filled adolescents rebelling against their parents, then demanding their own credit cards.

    We are in a war, it’s just that not enough on our side are fighting. I’m old and feeble, I can’t fight them. But I’ll be damned if I’ll help them.

    • Agree: Alden, Colin Wright
  276. HA says:
    @Jack D
    @HA

    Germany , Italy, etc. aren't run by Isis yet but their age of consent is 14 and the world has not ended.

    Replies: @HA

    “Germany , Italy, etc. aren’t run by Isis yet but their age of consent is 14 and the world has not ended.”

    Which has nothing whatsoever to do with what my comment, which was that getting rid of age-of-consent laws altogether is the kind of thing that potential ISIS recruits might be in favor of. I mean, read what I actually said. If Germany and Italy have an age of consent of 14, as you yourself say, then they haven’t gotten rid of them altogether either. Moreover, there is undoubtedly some idiot there, too, crying about how unfair it is that he’s in prison given that some other country somewhere that would allow him to have sex with 13 year olds without the world ending. I don’t have much sympathy for him, either.

    No one is saying that statutory rape laws aren’t inherently arbitrary. I took pains to stipulate that. But try and offer something better in response than saying the world wouldn’t end if they were a little looser. Of what legislation could that NOT be said? How about this — what if we raised it up a year higher? Is the world going to end then? I don’t think so. So it’s not a real argument.

    I mean, I get it. Of all the injustices in this world, one of the ones that really seems to get your goat is that 40-ish-year-old men and assorted Brish royals are not allowed to have sex with 16-year-old “women” without everyone getting all judgmental and stinkeyed about it. Oh, the horror! What is this world coming to? Well, that’s your right, I guess. Speaking for myself, I’m gonna wait a while before I start worrying about that. How long, you ask? I’m gonna say “never”. Does that work for you?

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
    @HA


    I mean, I get it. Of all the injustices in this world, one of the ones that really seems to get your goat is that 40-ish-year-old men and assorted Brish royals are not allowed to have sex with 16-year-old “women” without everyone getting all judgmental and stinkeyed about it. Oh, the horror! What is this world coming to? Well, that’s your right, I guess. Speaking for myself, I’m gonna wait a while before I start worrying about that. How long, you ask? I’m gonna say “never”. Does that work for you?
     
    But that's the whole point - we shouldn't be worrying about it, in the sense of wasting scarce law enforcement resources on it. Instead, we should be putting murderers to death expeditiously, preferably in exemplary fashion. Note that German and French laws are not new impositions, but rather the traditional laws on this issue. The same sanctimonious personages stateside who got the age of consent raised also gave us alcohol and drug prohibition.

    Replies: @HA

  277. @anonymous
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmCPQbk2448&ab_channel=Sena

    Tucker tonight ripped off your essay on noblesse oblige for his monologue. He took out any direct references to Jews. The segment even had Mark Steyn who is an honorable man and often credits you for ideas when he guest hosted Rush Limbaugh. https://www.unz.com/isteve/noblesse-oblige-in-21st-century/

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @Steve from Detroit, @AndrewR, @AnotherDad

    One of the–many–things our Great Minoritarian Culture Revolution, is demonstrating is that maybe paying a whole lot of attention to what women say isn’t actually a huge winner for a nation/civilization that wants to stay sane and survive.

    This is deeply rooted in our evolutionary history. The men of the tribe’s are out talking about Ooga-booga pushing into their hunting ground and the need to ambush and kill them to stop it. The women out gathering berries … “Jason spent his time in camp yesterday talking to Becky and not me.”

    It’s not like men get it right–see “The Great War” and the rest of the 20th century. But at least their concerns are about stuff that matters–are we going to control this land and have a future or be replaced by the other guys.

    Women’s feelings–and the many micro-aggressions in their lives–are just fine for women to talk to each other over lunch. But why in the hell any of it should be in the public discourse is beyond me. It isn’t working out well.

    • Thanks: Kylie
  278. Maybe the question should be, why are so many people so obsessed and dazzled by the Ivy League? Total enrollment there comes to less than 150,000 students, even including post-grads — less than just Penn State and Ohio State combined. Do parents think so little of their own children that a piece of paper that says “Harvard” is the key to life?

    I know they allegedly produce our best and brightest, blah blah blah, and how would we ever survive without them? But most people find themselves plugging away at Michigan State, UTEP or Nebraska-Omaha if they’re even that lucky, so why care who gets into Harvard or Princeton so they can land some power job with a power firm or find the right spouse from the right family? We put these places on a pedestal and then wonder how their output became so tainted

  279. Anon[326] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    My kid graduated from Polytechnic school in Pasadena around 10 years ago. Similar kind of school as HW. It was conventionally liberal then. Today I hear it has a new position, Director of Equity, to enforce DIE ideology. I hear parents are now interviewed in the admission process, not just students, in order to weed out non-woke families. Leftist Institution-Capture is a serious and well organized campaign. They want to train up woke robots starting at a young age.

  280. The rich have thrown in with the Woke. This is what throwing in with the Woke means. Deal with it.

  281. @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    It's very common for men who are interested in post-pubescent teens (of either sex) to be called "child molestors" even though true child molestation is something else.

    Age of consent laws in the US tend to run high by world standards (although clearly they are not enforced in most cases, especially if the other partner is of similar age - if they were then half the teenagers in America would be in jail) - in the range of 16 to 18. Forgetting about uncivilized places in Africa and the Middle East, even in many European countries the age of consent is as low as 14.

    Clearly many young men and women who are 16 and even younger are sexually active, whether or not this is legal. We find it kind of creepy if they choose older men (or women) as their dates but this is really more a matter of taste than something the law should be interested in. In the less prudish 1970s, Woody Allen openly dated the 17 yr old Mariel Hemingway and Seinfeld also had a HS age sweetheart. Epstein has been retconned into some sort of monster but there's a lot of hypocrisy going on. He was not robbing the cradle. These girls were probably giving it away for free to their pimply teenage classmates so they figured that at least with Epstein they could cash in. Now that these same women have hit the Wall, they are suddenly reformed virgins and would like to cash in a second time.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @HA, @Art Deco, @clifford brown, @MBlanc46, @anon, @AnotherDad, @R.G. Camara

    Half the male teenagers would be in jail….

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @MBlanc46

    Technically the statutory rape laws apply both ways so (unless there is a Romeo and Juliet exception in their state's statute) when two teens have sex they are raping each other and can both go to jail.

    As I said before, given how much premarital sex exists, especially in states where the age of consent is 18 (18 y.o. Hispanic girls are practically abuelas), these laws are in fact used very selectively. To me, at least, that's a sure sign of a law that stinks. Prohibition of alcohol, marijuana laws, speeding, copyright violation, etc. are all examples of laws that are (or once were) flouted every day by millions so if you get caught in their net it's just a matter of bad luck or that the authorities are looking for an excuse to get you. Either these laws should be enforced uniformly against everyone (assuming that is even feasible) or relaxed so that millions of people are not breaking them every day. Laws involving victimless crimes should match actual human behavior and not some unachievable standard.

  282. ‘Dude, that’s dangerous ground you’re on in our friendship.’

    Any man who wouldn’t immediately respond to this with, “What friendship?” has no balls.

  283. @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    It's very common for men who are interested in post-pubescent teens (of either sex) to be called "child molestors" even though true child molestation is something else.

    Age of consent laws in the US tend to run high by world standards (although clearly they are not enforced in most cases, especially if the other partner is of similar age - if they were then half the teenagers in America would be in jail) - in the range of 16 to 18. Forgetting about uncivilized places in Africa and the Middle East, even in many European countries the age of consent is as low as 14.

    Clearly many young men and women who are 16 and even younger are sexually active, whether or not this is legal. We find it kind of creepy if they choose older men (or women) as their dates but this is really more a matter of taste than something the law should be interested in. In the less prudish 1970s, Woody Allen openly dated the 17 yr old Mariel Hemingway and Seinfeld also had a HS age sweetheart. Epstein has been retconned into some sort of monster but there's a lot of hypocrisy going on. He was not robbing the cradle. These girls were probably giving it away for free to their pimply teenage classmates so they figured that at least with Epstein they could cash in. Now that these same women have hit the Wall, they are suddenly reformed virgins and would like to cash in a second time.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @HA, @Art Deco, @clifford brown, @MBlanc46, @anon, @AnotherDad, @R.G. Camara

    Wow. Jack D showing his Jewish roots, completely without remorse or shame.

    These kids are just that, kids. What did you know at 16? They were naive and trusting, and were taken advantage of. Yet people like you see no wrong in taking advantage of those who are too naive to fend for themselves.

    Sick.

  284. @Bill P
    Founding schools is something Anglo Americans used to excel at. Where did all these prep schools come from in the first place? If anything, the fact that these parents and teachers, despite their considerable resources, don't seem to be willing or able to do so shows a real deterioration of the American spirit of independence and civic initiative.

    As for the school's descent into wokeness, the board is entirely to blame. I don't see how it could have happened without the explicit assent of the people who control the funds. So, really, it isn't a case of spiteful little sjw hirelings taking over. This comes straight from the top. Probably the richest board members are bullying upper middle class striver parents with this stuff. Why would they do that? Well, isn't that what power is for, to be used? The really rich parents could care less what's being taught at the school. Their kids learn the most important lessons at the country clubs (who you know is much more important than what you know) and get into good schools whether they are good students or not.

    I feel a mixture of pity and frustration when I think of these upper middle class striver Americans. About half my friends are in this category, and they seem to be stuck in a sort of psychological prison. They have to be "respectable," but every day the costs grow and the requirements become ever more deranged and bizarre. Why can't they just let it go? You don't get to the top by being a scrupulous, obedient person, so why do they keep trying? Also, being "power adjacent" really sucks. The people at the top of our society are often raging sociopaths who think nothing of destroying lives. Why on earth would you want to be anywhere near them or their children?

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @vhrm

    As for the school’s descent into wokeness, the board is entirely to blame. I don’t see how it could have happened without the explicit assent of the people who control the funds. So, really, it isn’t a case of spiteful little sjw hirelings taking over. This comes straight from the top. Probably the richest board members are bullying upper middle class striver parents with this stuff. Why would they do that? Well, isn’t that what power is for, to be used? The really rich parents could care less what’s being taught at the school. Their kids learn the most important lessons at the country clubs (who you know is much more important than what you know) and get into good schools whether they are good students or not.

    My sense is that you’ve got this wrong. I don’t see even the richest of people exposing their kids to 12 years of 8 hours a day wokeness throughout their developmental period as some sort of doublethink training exercise all to screw with other people’s heads. Regardless of what’s happening at the country club few if any brains could reject that kind of sustained onslaught without internalizing a lot of it. The citylab article in fact ends with a very chilling scene illustrating this:

    I have a friend in New York who is the mother to a four-year-old. She seems exactly the kind of parent these schools would want to attract: a successful entrepreneur, a feminist, and a diehard Manhattanite. She’d dreamed of sending her daughter to a school like Dalton. One day at home, in the midst of the application process, she was drawing with her daughter, who said offhandedly: “I need to draw in my own skin color.” Skin color, she told her mother, is “really important.” She said that’s what she learned in school.

    I think it was first that the vast majority of the management and teachers at the school had been left leaning for decades because the vast majority of people in education everywhere, outside of some (but definitely not all) religious schools lean left. I mean, this article is about removing ” The Scarlet Letter, Little Women, To Kill a Mockingbird” and replacing them with ethnic stuff. But those books being replaced, while “classics” are already left leaning. It’s not like they were reading Atlas Shrugged, Bonfire of the Vanities, Ender’s Game or Camp of the Saints.

    And when BLM / MeToo / BLM2 hit… the SJWs just let their freak flags fly and there wasn’t much for the more skeptical board members to do about it without risking cancellation themselves.

  285. HA says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist
    @HA


    Harvard (or Princeton or Stanford) admissions officers are not going to be persuaded all that much by “satisfactory teachers”, however one chooses to define that, whereas parents have the utmost confidence (rightly or wrongly) those people will at least pay attention should the Harvard-Westlake brand name be name-dropped into the application process. That is what they’re paying for.

     

    They're paying for more than just the school's name and reputation. They're paying for the H-W guidance counselors/university admissions advisors to be in actual contact with/known to admissions people at top universities, and to work hard to 'sell' their kids' applications.

    Schools like H-W are also going to be quasi-allocated a number of admits at a given university, up to a rough ceiling each year.

    Replies: @HA

    “They’re paying for the H-W guidance counselors/university admissions advisors to be in actual contact with/known to admissions people at top universities, and to work hard to ‘sell’ their kids’ applications.”

    Yeah, that’s a good point, and there’s also the benefit of being with other kids whose brothers and sisters went through the same routine (or who just “get it”) and who have all the kinks worked out as far as dressing up resumes and writing essays and so forth. Some of those kids at other less connected schools are like Bobby Fischer trying to learn chess all on his own without much in the way of guidance or team synergy. And as we all now know, there are consulting/testing/tutoring services that can help with that, some of them staffed by former admissions personnel that can help with those contacts in the admissions departments as well (or so they claim). Preferably, this would all be done in a somewhat less blatantly illegal manner than what got Lori Loughlin and Felicity Huffman in trouble, to the extent that the university would look the other way, similar to how it rationalizes the acceptance letters given to donors. I’m not sure if the overall price tag would be more or less than the several years of 40K required to finance Harvard-Westlake, but it’s definitely something that needs to be factored in.

  286. @anon
    @Anonymous


    It is much, much more realistic to get into a top 10 college from one of these schools.
     
    You don't say. According to this college admissions data guest007 posted earlier:
    https://www.hw.com/about/HW-at-a-Glance/Matriculation

    Out of a graduating class of around 218 kids, on average Harvard-Westlake sends 58 kids to the Top 10 in each of the last 5 years, broken down as follows:

    Harvard: 9
    Cornell: 8
    Penn: 7.8
    Stanford: 7
    Brown: 6.4
    Columbia: 5.8
    Yale: 4.6
    Dartmouth: 4
    Princeton: 3.8
    MIT: 1.8

    Total: 58.2, that's 26.7% of the graduating class going on to a top ten.

    In comparison, a good year for our highly touted local public high school means out of a graduating class of 525, we get: 2 to Yale/Princeton, 1 to Stanford, 1 to MIT, 0 to Harvard, 2 to Cornell, 1 to Columbia, Penn, Brown or Dartmouth, or 7/525, 1.3%.

    Replies: @houston 1992, @The Last Real Calvinist

    Thanks much for this; I totted up H-W’s most recent year’s admission totals in my own later post before I saw your superior analysis here.

    Having just gone through the high-end university application game with Daughter C, I am grateful for your comparison between H-W and your local school. The big-name university admissions gap is a yawning chasm, isn’t it?

    It’s hard to communicate to people who haven’t recently been involved in university admissions just how difficult it is to get a kid into HPY or Stanford. Your post really helps.

    • Replies: @anon
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    It is really shocking just how skewed the admissions is from well-connected private schools to these elite colleges. That was the input. Now look at the output. This is what I got from Forbes' 400 richest in 2020 (minimum $2.1b net worth):

    1) 21% went to just 2 schools: Harvard or Stanford (15 undergrad, 31 grad for Harvard, 14 undergrad, 22 grad for Stanford, including dropouts).

    2) Another 19% of the 400 richest went to just 5 other schools as either undergrad or grad: Penn, Yale, Columbia, NYU, USC.

    i.e. 40% of the 400 richest went to just 7 schools.

    The biggest surprise for me was USC, which has 12 undergrads in the top 400.

    I guess this explains why NYU and USC are the two most popular schools for grads of Harvard-Westlake, averaging 18.4 to NYU and 14.2 to USC in each of the last 5 years.

    I think our elite colleges are the root of all our inequality problems in this country. It's a country club that perpetuates itself. It's time for the hypocrites who run these schools to live up to the equality ideals that they espouse and abolish themselves. I think our nation will be better off without our elite colleges. Either burn them all to the ground or make them all 100% black, same difference.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @The Last Real Calvinist

  287. @Anon7
    This is Yuri Bezmenov, a trained Soviet propagandist who defected in the Seventies. He explains the whole process by which Americans are to be demoralized and defeated. There are too many useful quotes to type them all out.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOmXiapfCs8

    This interview took place in 1985, and it accurately forecasts our current era, in which the process of subverting American values has come to fruition.

    at 1:30 "ideological subversion, or active measures... what it basically means is to change the perception of reality of every American to such an extent that despite the abundance of information, no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interest of defending themselves, their family, their community and their country."

    1:50 "It takes between 15 and 20 years to demoralize a nation... Marxism/Leninism is pumped into the soft heads of generations of American students without being challenged by the basic values of American patriotism... these half-baked intellectuals now occupy the positions of power in the government civil service, mass media, educational system. You are stuck with them. They are contaminated. You cannot change their minds even if you expose them to authentic information. This is irreversible. To get rid of these people you would need another 20 years to create a new generation of patriotically minded common sense people."

    Replies: @Dacian Julien Soros

    According to https://www.unz.com/akarlin/based-bezmenov/ , Bezmenov was a grifter whose first attempt to write what the paymaster expects was in USSR, where he complained that USSR forbade him fornicate with a Indian woman. His first “free” writings in US were still about systemic racism in USSR. Only later, he moved on to muh holodmor.

    • Disagree: The Wild Geese Howard
  288. @Known Fact
    @ginger bread man

    My wife taught Mockingbird for years to minority Catholic-school teen girls and it was always immensely popular. To me the book, movie and play are the very essence of groveling white wokeness. Of course the author is a dead white person so I suppose it's ripe for cancellation just so some BIPOC-generated twaddle can take its lucrative place in the curriculum.

    Replies: @Alden, @Jim Don Bob

    I really hope Mockingbird gets trashed. It was massive massive propaganda denying the fact that black men commit the majority of rapes and obnoxious, not just unwanted harassment.

    It led to tens of thousands of black on White rapes not prosecuted because the DAs knew the victim would be trashed, every rabble rousing grant grudging revun leading a mob outside the courthouse.

    That book was responsible for the outbreak of black rapists. It was the basic rape defense for decades. “ She really wanted it.”

    Mice and Men get rid of the class warfare Marxism and it’s. Farm worker is justified in killing farmer’s wife because farmer owns the farm.

    Mockingbird was very cleverly written to appeal to the barely middle class sense of superiority over the White trash woman so desperate for sex she waylays a saintly virtuous black man drags him into the house and tries to rape him.
    I would love to burn every copy of the book and movie.

    If you weren’t working in sex crimes after Mockingbird you can’t imagine how much that book contributed to black men getting away with the most egregious sex crimes.

    There was a period of 12-15 years when Alameda County (Oakland) Ca DAs office refused to prosecute any black on White rapes. The DAs knew they’d lose and there would be riots as well as editorials demanding the black rapists not be prosecuted.

    You men of UNZ are often indignant at the reaction of the feminazis and law enforcement to the Mockinbird defense. Believe the victim don’t believe the accused. That was a reaction to the Mockinbird defense that the victims really wanted sex with black rapists. Proud to say I was instrumental in overthrowing the Mockinbird defense in my county.

    Mockingbird propaganda relentlessly shoved at high school girls for the last 60 years is the reason so many middle class White women are so pro black and anti White.

    That book was as bad as the Leo Frank defense in making it difficult to prosecute rape.

    I’m glad it’s being trashed. And I believe Truman Capote, not Harper Lee write it. Author publisher and every teacher who imposed that rape propaganda should burn in hell forever and ever amen.

    • Thanks: David In TN, vhrm
    • Replies: @Known Fact
    @Alden

    I always saw the book as a pioneer in nauseating white self-abasement, but never thought about the violent real-world consequences this propaganda might have beyond mere indoctrination. It's not only pitched at young people but uses children as pawns in the story, like libs who bring their 5-year-olds to a climate-change rally for use as props.

    So I'm just surprised if it's being trashed from the left, it's been such an effective tool for them.

    Replies: @Alden

    , @kaganovitch
    @Alden

    That book was as bad as the Leo Frank defense in making it difficult to prosecute rape.

    I'm not sure I follow. The Frank defense was "the black guy did it". This is , according to your own opinion above, very often the case. So exactly how did the Frank defense make it difficult to prosecute rape?

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy, @Alden

  289. @Thurston
    It would be interesting to see a link to a FAQ(s) on setting-up and operating, by students and parents, a clandestine cell-structured [1][2] organization to resist indoctrination within a school. The past 20 years of advances in anonymous digital communications techniques would seem to facilitate such undertakings.

    Have high school students really changed so much in recent decades? The youthful me would have delighted in participating in such an undertaking.

    Given the current ability to covertly record (audio/audiovisual) teachers, I suspect that there is extensive opportunity for students to put their teachers on the record pursuing indoctrination. I suspect that the likes of Project Veritas would be happy to publish such recordings.

    Ref.
    [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clandestine_cell_system
    [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leaderless_resistance

    Replies: @vhrm

    Thanks for those links, but the 2nd part of your message doesn’t apply:

    There’s no need to covertly record the teachers doing indoctrination. The administration and consultants proudly proclaim the indoctrination curriculum and most of the teachers and parents cheer. If anything it would be the woke who would record the teachers teaching without adequate enthusiasm or expressing counterrevolutionary thoughts.

    (also, imo, Project Veritas mostly shoots themselves in the foot with QAnon style overhyping. I’ve only looked into 3 or 4 of their things over the years but i can’t remember a single one that was more than a mild “yeah… i guess… ” )

  290. @MBlanc46
    @Jack D

    Half the male teenagers would be in jail....

    Replies: @Jack D

    Technically the statutory rape laws apply both ways so (unless there is a Romeo and Juliet exception in their state’s statute) when two teens have sex they are raping each other and can both go to jail.

    As I said before, given how much premarital sex exists, especially in states where the age of consent is 18 (18 y.o. Hispanic girls are practically abuelas), these laws are in fact used very selectively. To me, at least, that’s a sure sign of a law that stinks. Prohibition of alcohol, marijuana laws, speeding, copyright violation, etc. are all examples of laws that are (or once were) flouted every day by millions so if you get caught in their net it’s just a matter of bad luck or that the authorities are looking for an excuse to get you. Either these laws should be enforced uniformly against everyone (assuming that is even feasible) or relaxed so that millions of people are not breaking them every day. Laws involving victimless crimes should match actual human behavior and not some unachievable standard.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
  291. @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    It's very common for men who are interested in post-pubescent teens (of either sex) to be called "child molestors" even though true child molestation is something else.

    Age of consent laws in the US tend to run high by world standards (although clearly they are not enforced in most cases, especially if the other partner is of similar age - if they were then half the teenagers in America would be in jail) - in the range of 16 to 18. Forgetting about uncivilized places in Africa and the Middle East, even in many European countries the age of consent is as low as 14.

    Clearly many young men and women who are 16 and even younger are sexually active, whether or not this is legal. We find it kind of creepy if they choose older men (or women) as their dates but this is really more a matter of taste than something the law should be interested in. In the less prudish 1970s, Woody Allen openly dated the 17 yr old Mariel Hemingway and Seinfeld also had a HS age sweetheart. Epstein has been retconned into some sort of monster but there's a lot of hypocrisy going on. He was not robbing the cradle. These girls were probably giving it away for free to their pimply teenage classmates so they figured that at least with Epstein they could cash in. Now that these same women have hit the Wall, they are suddenly reformed virgins and would like to cash in a second time.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @HA, @Art Deco, @clifford brown, @MBlanc46, @anon, @AnotherDad, @R.G. Camara

    Jack, totally agreement Epstein is not a “pedophile”. But your last paragraph is terrible.

    Clearly many young men and women who are 16 and even younger are sexually active, whether or not this is legal.

    16 year olds having sex is common, but it is sub-optimal. Sure, i wanted to have sex at 16 –i’m an old man and i still like having sex!–but it probably would not have been positive for the long run happiness and life-outcome of my HS girlfriend. (Whom i wisely did not marry.)

    We find it kind of creepy if they choose older men (or women) as their dates but this is really more a matter of taste than something the law should be interested in.

    It very much is the business of the law. This is what the law–codified social norms we want to actually compel with force–is about.

    While most are physically mature, the emotional maturity and judgement of 16 year old girls is poor. (The last few years have shown the emotional maturity of even many 30 year old girls is poor!) We–a nation, not a marketplace–should discourage 16 year old girls from having sex, and should absolutely use the law to punish older men who try and take advantage of their immaturity.

    Epstein has been retconned into some sort of monster but there’s a lot of hypocrisy going on. He was not robbing the cradle. These girls were probably giving it away for free to their pimply teenage classmates so they figured that at least with Epstein they could cash in. Now that these same women have hit the Wall, they are suddenly reformed virgins and would like to cash in a second time.

    You don’t have to retcon Epstein into a monster because he was a monster. A pimp. A pimp of underage girls, presumably for getting influence and/or blackmail.

    Yes, these girls were not “good girls”. And yes, they chose to what Epstein offered. It no doubt sounded “exciting” and–as noted–young women do not have good judgement. (This is why they are not supposed to be legally emancipated.) And yeah, these women are no doubt retconning how willing their participation was.

    But “giving it away to pimply classmates” is not the same as being a prostitute. Lots of women recover from ill advised sex with their HS boyfriends. Though even that, i’m sure takes it’s toll on their future relationships, including ability bond with future husbands and results in more single- momery, more divorce, more general social dysfunction and crappiness. But being a prostitute is an order of magnitude worse. This Virginia Giuffre gal seems to have recovered to have something of a normal family life. But that is not the norm for prostitutes.

    For a society to survive it needs to hold up what is decent and productive–what helps it function and reproduce itself. Not say “we’re a big marketplace, everything’s for sale”. It is absolutely a good thing for society, to piss all over, abuse, harass, jail and just generally make life miserable for all the various forms of parasites that want to prey upon it. Let’s have more of it.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    @AnotherDad


    presumably for getting influence and/or blackmail.
     
    No presumably about it. The US Attorney in Florida was ordered by higher ups to only give Epstein a slap on the wrists because he was working for a major government agency. Epstein was honeytrap pimp.

    Much like Hugh Hefner's Playboy Mansion/Magazine/lifestyle was normalized with the help of the alphabet agencies, so that one stop on the newly-minted male celebrity route (including politicians) would be the mansion, where they would go and get recorded having sex with various bimbos, to be used against them the rest of their lives.

    Hef, at least, didn't have to worry about being prosecuted as a pedo for his business model; all of his "models" were over-18, by law, given he was publishing his smut in U.S. magazines.

  292. @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    It's very common for men who are interested in post-pubescent teens (of either sex) to be called "child molestors" even though true child molestation is something else.

    Age of consent laws in the US tend to run high by world standards (although clearly they are not enforced in most cases, especially if the other partner is of similar age - if they were then half the teenagers in America would be in jail) - in the range of 16 to 18. Forgetting about uncivilized places in Africa and the Middle East, even in many European countries the age of consent is as low as 14.

    Clearly many young men and women who are 16 and even younger are sexually active, whether or not this is legal. We find it kind of creepy if they choose older men (or women) as their dates but this is really more a matter of taste than something the law should be interested in. In the less prudish 1970s, Woody Allen openly dated the 17 yr old Mariel Hemingway and Seinfeld also had a HS age sweetheart. Epstein has been retconned into some sort of monster but there's a lot of hypocrisy going on. He was not robbing the cradle. These girls were probably giving it away for free to their pimply teenage classmates so they figured that at least with Epstein they could cash in. Now that these same women have hit the Wall, they are suddenly reformed virgins and would like to cash in a second time.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @HA, @Art Deco, @clifford brown, @MBlanc46, @anon, @AnotherDad, @R.G. Camara

    And many a teenage sociopath female has used these statutory limits to overly flirt with over-age males in positions of power , such as high school teachers and policemen, to either ruffle their feathers a bunch for fun, get something in return, or else get them into a compromising position to exploit.

    The phrase “15 going on 25” comes to mind for many of these Poison Ivy types.

    • Replies: @HA
    @R.G. Camara

    "And many a teenage sociopath female has used these statutory limits to overly flirt with over-age males in positions of power... to either ruffle their feathers a bunch for fun, get something in return, or else get them into a compromising position to exploit."

    Isn't that all the more reason for over-age men to not have sex with teen-agers?

    There's all sorts of toxic people in the world you shouldn't be having sex with. So go out there, and make it a point to not have sex with them. Put it on a post-it note or something. Problem solved.

    And if you're ever confused, well, check the law. If the law says you'll go to prison for having sex with that sociopathic teenager you shouldn't be having sex with in the first place, then again, you should NOT HAVE SEX WITH THAT TEENAGER. Is that really so difficult?

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

  293. anonymous[309] • Disclaimer says:
    @kihowi
    This will continue and continue and continue until there's nothing left of the white race but an unrecognizable elite interbreeding with other elites until there's nothing that can be called white anymore.

    Why? Because white people are not willing to let go of the idea of equality. It's not just an Achilles heel, it's two Achilles legs and arms and an Achilles head. It's a article of belief of such holiness that we would rather dissolve as a people and become a curiosity to Chinese historiographers rather than violate it.

    To get out of this death spiral, we have to say the most horrible, terrible, repugnant thing there is, namely "those people are inferior to us", and be comfortable with it. Otherwise, any situation in which a group of non-whites don't do as well as whites can only be a result of dirty work on our part. Any argument that you may come up with can be reduced by your opponent to "oh so you think that are inferior to you?", upon which you start tying yourself in knots to prove that no that's definitely no what you mean, in fact you believe in equality even more than anybody else. The conversation is then over, you've turned it into a philosophical disagreement about whether an evident unfairness should be allowed to exist or not, to which the answer is obvious, and things keep on getting worse and worse.

    So yeah we're screwed. I believe that it's in our genes, that only thinky nerds like us can override it for a while on a dry intellectual level which has bearing on real life.

    Replies: @anonymous

    To get out of this death spiral, we have to say the most horrible, terrible, repugnant thing there is, namely “those people are inferior to us”, and be comfortable with it.

    No you don’t. You don’t have to be insulting or hamfisted.

    You could instead say that different populations are different, or that there is diversity. And you could probably find an even better way to persuade. Ask yourself, what would Jack D say?

  294. @Art Deco
    @anon

    Think it through. How did Dalton School wind up hiring a perv? Barr took over Dalton and recruited CIA’s most effective pedo blackmailer.


    Wm. Barr's father was the headmaster of the Dalton School. Epstein was employed there as a math teacher for about two years, ca. 1977, when he was 23 years old.

    While we're at it, no one has to date accused Epstein of molesting a prepubescent child. His interests were in late-adolescent / post-adolescent girls. (I think there's been one accusation about a 14 year old).

    Replies: @Jack D, @Paperback Writer, @Alden, @JohnnyWalker123, @JohnnyWalker123

    You forget the 3 12 year old French girls flown in for a day or 2. Virginia Guiffre who was with Epstein from age 15 to 19 or 20 is the most famous of his girls. But plenty were much younger. And Guiffre was 15 when she first began going to Epstein’s massage room.

    It’s strange Men who accept that they can park here all day but park 4 feet away it’s a $100 fine, or if you pay the mortgage on the 2nd of the month instead of the 1st it harms your credit rating, or they cannot build their dream house unless they put in solar panels and whatever else the local H&S or zoning code demands, or can’t have more than 3 dogs in the house, are so enraged about the different age of consent laws.

    Interesting that the same MEN OF UNZ advocating old fashioned chastity until marriage also advocate that there was nothing wrong with Epstein’s violating age of consent pimping pandering and procuring prostitutes laws.

    He wasn’t just a dirty old creep having sex with girls as young as 12. He was a pimp blackmailer money launderer and embezzler.

    Why worry about Virginia being a prostitute with Andrew compared to what Epstein had been doing for decades?

  295. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D

    Jack, totally agreement Epstein is not a "pedophile". But your last paragraph is terrible.



    Clearly many young men and women who are 16 and even younger are sexually active, whether or not this is legal.
     
    16 year olds having sex is common, but it is sub-optimal. Sure, i wanted to have sex at 16 --i'm an old man and i still like having sex!--but it probably would not have been positive for the long run happiness and life-outcome of my HS girlfriend. (Whom i wisely did not marry.)


    We find it kind of creepy if they choose older men (or women) as their dates but this is really more a matter of taste than something the law should be interested in.
     
    It very much is the business of the law. This is what the law--codified social norms we want to actually compel with force--is about.

    While most are physically mature, the emotional maturity and judgement of 16 year old girls is poor. (The last few years have shown the emotional maturity of even many 30 year old girls is poor!) We--a nation, not a marketplace--should discourage 16 year old girls from having sex, and should absolutely use the law to punish older men who try and take advantage of their immaturity.

    Epstein has been retconned into some sort of monster but there’s a lot of hypocrisy going on. He was not robbing the cradle. These girls were probably giving it away for free to their pimply teenage classmates so they figured that at least with Epstein they could cash in. Now that these same women have hit the Wall, they are suddenly reformed virgins and would like to cash in a second time.
     
    You don't have to retcon Epstein into a monster because he was a monster. A pimp. A pimp of underage girls, presumably for getting influence and/or blackmail.

    Yes, these girls were not "good girls". And yes, they chose to what Epstein offered. It no doubt sounded "exciting" and--as noted--young women do not have good judgement. (This is why they are not supposed to be legally emancipated.) And yeah, these women are no doubt retconning how willing their participation was.

    But "giving it away to pimply classmates" is not the same as being a prostitute. Lots of women recover from ill advised sex with their HS boyfriends. Though even that, i'm sure takes it's toll on their future relationships, including ability bond with future husbands and results in more single- momery, more divorce, more general social dysfunction and crappiness. But being a prostitute is an order of magnitude worse. This Virginia Giuffre gal seems to have recovered to have something of a normal family life. But that is not the norm for prostitutes.


    For a society to survive it needs to hold up what is decent and productive--what helps it function and reproduce itself. Not say "we're a big marketplace, everything's for sale". It is absolutely a good thing for society, to piss all over, abuse, harass, jail and just generally make life miserable for all the various forms of parasites that want to prey upon it. Let's have more of it.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

    presumably for getting influence and/or blackmail.

    No presumably about it. The US Attorney in Florida was ordered by higher ups to only give Epstein a slap on the wrists because he was working for a major government agency. Epstein was honeytrap pimp.

    Much like Hugh Hefner’s Playboy Mansion/Magazine/lifestyle was normalized with the help of the alphabet agencies, so that one stop on the newly-minted male celebrity route (including politicians) would be the mansion, where they would go and get recorded having sex with various bimbos, to be used against them the rest of their lives.

    Hef, at least, didn’t have to worry about being prosecuted as a pedo for his business model; all of his “models” were over-18, by law, given he was publishing his smut in U.S. magazines.

  296. @Alden
    @Known Fact

    I really hope Mockingbird gets trashed. It was massive massive propaganda denying the fact that black men commit the majority of rapes and obnoxious, not just unwanted harassment.

    It led to tens of thousands of black on White rapes not prosecuted because the DAs knew the victim would be trashed, every rabble rousing grant grudging revun leading a mob outside the courthouse.

    That book was responsible for the outbreak of black rapists. It was the basic rape defense for decades. “ She really wanted it.”

    Mice and Men get rid of the class warfare Marxism and it’s. Farm worker is justified in killing farmer’s wife because farmer owns the farm.

    Mockingbird was very cleverly written to appeal to the barely middle class sense of superiority over the White trash woman so desperate for sex she waylays a saintly virtuous black man drags him into the house and tries to rape him.
    I would love to burn every copy of the book and movie.

    If you weren’t working in sex crimes after Mockingbird you can’t imagine how much that book contributed to black men getting away with the most egregious sex crimes.

    There was a period of 12-15 years when Alameda County (Oakland) Ca DAs office refused to prosecute any black on White rapes. The DAs knew they’d lose and there would be riots as well as editorials demanding the black rapists not be prosecuted.

    You men of UNZ are often indignant at the reaction of the feminazis and law enforcement to the Mockinbird defense. Believe the victim don’t believe the accused. That was a reaction to the Mockinbird defense that the victims really wanted sex with black rapists. Proud to say I was instrumental in overthrowing the Mockinbird defense in my county.

    Mockingbird propaganda relentlessly shoved at high school girls for the last 60 years is the reason so many middle class White women are so pro black and anti White.

    That book was as bad as the Leo Frank defense in making it difficult to prosecute rape.

    I’m glad it’s being trashed. And I believe Truman Capote, not Harper Lee write it. Author publisher and every teacher who imposed that rape propaganda should burn in hell forever and ever amen.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @kaganovitch

    I always saw the book as a pioneer in nauseating white self-abasement, but never thought about the violent real-world consequences this propaganda might have beyond mere indoctrination. It’s not only pitched at young people but uses children as pawns in the story, like libs who bring their 5-year-olds to a climate-change rally for use as props.

    So I’m just surprised if it’s being trashed from the left, it’s been such an effective tool for them.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Known Fact

    An entire mythology of saintly innocent black men being falsely accused of crimes of any kind grew up around that book.

  297. anon[269] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist
    @anon

    Thanks much for this; I totted up H-W's most recent year's admission totals in my own later post before I saw your superior analysis here.

    Having just gone through the high-end university application game with Daughter C, I am grateful for your comparison between H-W and your local school. The big-name university admissions gap is a yawning chasm, isn't it?

    It's hard to communicate to people who haven't recently been involved in university admissions just how difficult it is to get a kid into HPY or Stanford. Your post really helps.

    Replies: @anon

    It is really shocking just how skewed the admissions is from well-connected private schools to these elite colleges. That was the input. Now look at the output. This is what I got from Forbes’ 400 richest in 2020 (minimum $2.1b net worth):

    1) 21% went to just 2 schools: Harvard or Stanford (15 undergrad, 31 grad for Harvard, 14 undergrad, 22 grad for Stanford, including dropouts).

    2) Another 19% of the 400 richest went to just 5 other schools as either undergrad or grad: Penn, Yale, Columbia, NYU, USC.

    i.e. 40% of the 400 richest went to just 7 schools.

    The biggest surprise for me was USC, which has 12 undergrads in the top 400.

    I guess this explains why NYU and USC are the two most popular schools for grads of Harvard-Westlake, averaging 18.4 to NYU and 14.2 to USC in each of the last 5 years.

    I think our elite colleges are the root of all our inequality problems in this country. It’s a country club that perpetuates itself. It’s time for the hypocrites who run these schools to live up to the equality ideals that they espouse and abolish themselves. I think our nation will be better off without our elite colleges. Either burn them all to the ground or make them all 100% black, same difference.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @anon

    Neither NYU nor USC were all that fashionable in the 20th Century, but having top film schools has proven great advertising in the 21st Century. E.g., Martin Scorsese has been linked to NYU's brand for a half-century, which is not a bad look.

    , @The Last Real Calvinist
    @anon

    Thanks again -- these numbers are also highly illuminating.


    I think our elite colleges are the root of all our inequality problems in this country. It’s a country club that perpetuates itself. It’s time for the hypocrites who run these schools to live up to the equality ideals that they espouse and abolish themselves. I think our nation will be better off without our elite colleges. Either burn them all to the ground or make them all 100% black, same difference.

     

    Fully agreed.

    I think the best line of attack -- initially, at least -- is aimed at these institutions' colossal endowments. Tax them, put pressure on them to 'redistribute' them in the name of 'equity', whatever, but remove the cushy bales of cash upon which these institutions and those in their employ so blissfully rest.

    There is also hope in attack via lawsuit on the grounds of admissions manipulations according to race, but that has turned out to be more promising than productive in the past few years.
  298. @anon
    This is why I always say we need to make the Ivy League 100% black and be done with it. Consider it reparation. Not only are we sick of all their pompous, elitist left wing hypocrisy, but if these schools are no longer an option, many parents would've spoken out long ago about the crazy leftist indoctrination of K-12.

    If eight giant meteor fragments came down and level the eight Ivy League campuses (when no one is on campus), our nation would be better off. I'm increasingly convinced of it.

    Replies: @black sea

    I saw an interview with Michael Malice in which he suggested that university endowments be seized and distributed as a form of reparations. Since universities have traditionally benefited the White upper classes, he thought this would be the most appropriate way to handle this historical grievance. He was speaking tongue-in-cheek, of course, but I thought this approach had a certain merit.

    • Agree: RichardTaylor
  299. @AndrewR
    @PhysicistDave

    I'm more concerned for our national security than about the safety of pregnant pilots and their babies. I'm not looking forward to being ruled by the Chinese so hopefully the Russians can pull a Hail Mary and take over the world. But even the Chinese would be preferable to the Jews and traitors who rule us now.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    AndrewR wrote to me:

    I’m more concerned for our national security than about the safety of pregnant pilots and their babies. I’m not looking forward to being ruled by the Chinese so hopefully the Russians can pull a Hail Mary and take over the world.

    Well… the good news is that maybe if the military brass and the civilian leadership realize that they have turned our military into an ongoing therapy session/encounter group, they might knock off their “Invade the world!” nonsense.

    The bad news is that, if they don’t, yeah, I may need to brush up on my Mandarin. I know a bit of Russian too: maybe I better brush up on both.

  300. @anon
    @R.G. Camara

    Thank you very much for the timely reminder of just how ignorant and airheaded Bari Weiss actually is. The fact that this featherbrain was on the editorial board of the NY Times would strongly suggest that a certain form of (((nepotism))) is alive and very well, if it wasn't totally impossible.

    Also strong evidence that verbal facility need not be associated with very much intelligence.

    Replies: @black sea

    strong evidence that verbal facility . . .

    But is there strong evidence that she has verbal facility?

  301. @AndrewR
    @PhysicistDave

    Sorry for your loss. She sounds like she was a cool old lady.

    May I ask why you remain in California? Lol. I can't imagine living there in 2021. Take the money and run (assuming you own a house)

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    AndrewR wrote to me:

    Sorry for your loss. She [our elderly neighbor who just passed away] sounds like she was a cool old lady.

    Most Americans used to be like her: no college degree, started work right after high school during WW II, raised her kids well — they’re about our age and we know all four of them. And she would be civil to people whether they agreed with her or disagreed.

    America used to be like that. I remember.

    Andrew also asked:

    May I ask why you remain in California?

    Well, our kids grew up here, we own a house, I’ve been out here for nearly five decades and my wife even longer.

    And the rest of the country tends to follow California. The USA needs to move beyond the current nonsense together.

    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
    @PhysicistDave


    Most Americans used to be like her: no college degree, started work right after high school during WW II, raised her kids well — they’re about our age ... she would be civil to people whether they agreed with her or disagreed.
     
    Oh yeah, you mean White folks. Especially working and middle class. The ones you betrayed.
  302. @anon
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    It is really shocking just how skewed the admissions is from well-connected private schools to these elite colleges. That was the input. Now look at the output. This is what I got from Forbes' 400 richest in 2020 (minimum $2.1b net worth):

    1) 21% went to just 2 schools: Harvard or Stanford (15 undergrad, 31 grad for Harvard, 14 undergrad, 22 grad for Stanford, including dropouts).

    2) Another 19% of the 400 richest went to just 5 other schools as either undergrad or grad: Penn, Yale, Columbia, NYU, USC.

    i.e. 40% of the 400 richest went to just 7 schools.

    The biggest surprise for me was USC, which has 12 undergrads in the top 400.

    I guess this explains why NYU and USC are the two most popular schools for grads of Harvard-Westlake, averaging 18.4 to NYU and 14.2 to USC in each of the last 5 years.

    I think our elite colleges are the root of all our inequality problems in this country. It's a country club that perpetuates itself. It's time for the hypocrites who run these schools to live up to the equality ideals that they espouse and abolish themselves. I think our nation will be better off without our elite colleges. Either burn them all to the ground or make them all 100% black, same difference.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @The Last Real Calvinist

    Neither NYU nor USC were all that fashionable in the 20th Century, but having top film schools has proven great advertising in the 21st Century. E.g., Martin Scorsese has been linked to NYU’s brand for a half-century, which is not a bad look.

  303. @Alden
    @Known Fact

    I really hope Mockingbird gets trashed. It was massive massive propaganda denying the fact that black men commit the majority of rapes and obnoxious, not just unwanted harassment.

    It led to tens of thousands of black on White rapes not prosecuted because the DAs knew the victim would be trashed, every rabble rousing grant grudging revun leading a mob outside the courthouse.

    That book was responsible for the outbreak of black rapists. It was the basic rape defense for decades. “ She really wanted it.”

    Mice and Men get rid of the class warfare Marxism and it’s. Farm worker is justified in killing farmer’s wife because farmer owns the farm.

    Mockingbird was very cleverly written to appeal to the barely middle class sense of superiority over the White trash woman so desperate for sex she waylays a saintly virtuous black man drags him into the house and tries to rape him.
    I would love to burn every copy of the book and movie.

    If you weren’t working in sex crimes after Mockingbird you can’t imagine how much that book contributed to black men getting away with the most egregious sex crimes.

    There was a period of 12-15 years when Alameda County (Oakland) Ca DAs office refused to prosecute any black on White rapes. The DAs knew they’d lose and there would be riots as well as editorials demanding the black rapists not be prosecuted.

    You men of UNZ are often indignant at the reaction of the feminazis and law enforcement to the Mockinbird defense. Believe the victim don’t believe the accused. That was a reaction to the Mockinbird defense that the victims really wanted sex with black rapists. Proud to say I was instrumental in overthrowing the Mockinbird defense in my county.

    Mockingbird propaganda relentlessly shoved at high school girls for the last 60 years is the reason so many middle class White women are so pro black and anti White.

    That book was as bad as the Leo Frank defense in making it difficult to prosecute rape.

    I’m glad it’s being trashed. And I believe Truman Capote, not Harper Lee write it. Author publisher and every teacher who imposed that rape propaganda should burn in hell forever and ever amen.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @kaganovitch

    That book was as bad as the Leo Frank defense in making it difficult to prosecute rape.

    I’m not sure I follow. The Frank defense was “the black guy did it”. This is , according to your own opinion above, very often the case. So exactly how did the Frank defense make it difficult to prosecute rape?

    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    @kaganovitch

    You're wasting your time asking that one for a logical clarification. Not only a shiksa, but likely a shikker, too.

    , @Alden
    @kaganovitch

    It began with the accused, Frank was innocent. Then came the Scottsboro boys who actually did rape the girls. Then Emmett Till who did sexually assault Carolyn Bryant until she managed to threaten him with her gun.

    The accused rapist is always innocent was the myth the Jews communists and liberals created. One thing jews communists and liberals always did was create a rapist defense fund. Leo Frank’s legal defense fund was the first. It’s the billion dollar Jewish ADL.

    Scottsboro boys legal defense fund was a front for the Communist party of the USA. It raised millions in the 1930s depression from the idiot gullible intellectuals. There were six Scottsboro boys. CPUSA had their mothers going around the country begging idiot liberals for money to defend their innocent lambs from the evil White girls they raped. But there were 9 mothers of the 6 accused working for CPUSA raising money for the CPUSA. The mothers were carefully selected articulate well behaved women, like Rosa Parks.

    Before the Johnson Nixon Carter war on poverty federal funding for communist Jewish and liberal causes, legal defense funds were the way CPUSA and other liberals raised funds. Of course about 85 percent of the money raised went for CPUSA and not the Scottsboro defendants.

    Until Mockinbird was shoved at every potential juror from fifth grade on, convicting rapists was just a matter of presenting evidence, like any other crime.

    But after Mockingbird, culmination of Emmett Till, Scottsboro Leo Frank the public perception was that all rape accusations were false. So jurors were pre disposed to believe the accused, not the victim.

    Even today, jews believe that less than slave labor wage 10-16 year old White factory girls were persecuting Frank for being Jewish as they recounted how he fondled, grabbed and pawed at them. “ Never be alone with Mr. Frank” was the warning the factory girls gave each other. And they were girls, some not even teens. That went in for years before Frank got Mary Phagan alone.

    All those 1960s movies featuring the black saintly sexually chaste actor Sidney Poitier were another part of the Mockingbird defense.

    Have you ever known anyone who was a juror in any criminal trial with a black defendant? I’ve known a few. And as soon as the deliberations start, some jurors start with oh, the defendants black. Blacks are always falsely accused by evil police and victims and witnesses. Poor pathetic oppressed angel, we can’t convict him.

    You saw last year’s George Floyd madness didn’t you? Here’s a life long career criminal on parole. He’s passing counterfeit money and dies of a fentanyl and meth combo overdose. And the Jews communists and liberals are trying the police who arrested him for the counterfeit money for murder because Floyd ingested so many meth and fentanyl pills before he was arrested. Floyd, like Emmett Till and Philadelphia cop killer Jamal Abdul Jamar is now a black martyr and saint

    Jews communists and liberals, Satan’s Trinity. It took 20 years and the feminazis to get rape criminal procedure back to normal. DNA is proof.

    I’m glad I was there in one county and able to reverse the sentence for a rape conviction from 3 weeks counseling to maximum term in state prison. And Mice and Men was justification for a farm worker to kill a farmer’s wife because the farmer was a land owning capitalist and the farm worker a poor proletarian.

    Mockingbird did incalculable harm to rape victims for 20 years. Mockingbird unleashed a torrent of black on White rapes that continues to this day. Blacks actually rape far more black women than White women.

    In fact, from my victims it was about half and half. But that’s just one small county with only 11 percent blacks at the time. I had the entire rape caseload and I can’t remember one, not one White asian or Hispanic rapist. Rape is a black thing.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  304. @SafeNow
    Two H.S. Valedictorians in my immediate family. The Harvard-Westlake one attended UCLA and had a fair experience; the other one, from a good suburban public school — knows that Cape Town is two words — attended an Ivy and got backed-up against the restroom wall by a dozen affirmative-action students, punishment for being a Republican. We both should have gone to Alabama.

    Replies: @vhrm

    attended an Ivy and got backed-up against the restroom wall by a dozen affirmative-action students, punishment for being a Republican

    What’s “backed-up against the restroom wall” really entail here? also what era was this?
    idk what was going on 70s and earlier but that seems pretty wild for 90s to say ~2015.

  305. @JohnnyWalker123
    @PhysicistDave

    Not necessarily. During the Bush-era, conservatives slandered anyone who was anti-war as "unpatriotic" and "soft on terrorism." Many anti-war media personalities and politicians had their careers ruined. That had a chilling effect on public discourse and even today continues to make Americans hesitant to speak up about war crimes overseas.

    2 decades later, and millions of people are dead overseas. Trillions of dollars have been wasted. Mostly because nobody has the guts to criticize the US military and risk being called "unpatriotic" and "soft on terrorism."

    Replies: @Art Deco, @PhysicistDave

    JohnnyWalker123 wrote to me:

    During the Bush-era, conservatives slandered anyone who was anti-war as “unpatriotic” and “soft on terrorism.” Many anti-war media personalities and politicians had their careers ruined. That had a chilling effect on public discourse and even today continues to make Americans hesitant to speak up about war crimes overseas.

    Yeah, I remember that and I hated it. The main reason that I have refrained from calling myself a “conservative” for half a century now.

    I used to call myself a “libertarian,” but now the “Libertarian” Party candidate praises BLM (real “libertarian” — burning down private property, terrorizing innocent people, and destroying people’s livelihoods).

    The one ray of hope is that what I think of as the new opposition has the guts to oppose war, to defend the Bill of Rights, to expose the Deep State. I know Trump only gave lip service, but there are now bright and articulate public people — Mollie Hemingway, our own Steve Sailer, etc. — who really do want peace and liberty and to allow people to live normal human lives.

    And there are tens of millions who agree with them.

    The battle is not yet over.

    • Agree: Muggles
    • Troll: R.G. Camara
  306. @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    I'd tend to judge Epstein rather more harshly than you do. He was not, however, a pervert.

    What gets you about the situation is that Virginia Giuffre and others had parents. Allowing your adolescent daughter to travel to England or to a private island in the Caribbean with their sketchy employer is something I think few people would do. IIRC, Virginia Giuffre's father has been interviewed for attribution; seemed quite clueless. Epstein, like John Kennedy, knew how to pick a mark. I tend to agree with you that many of these disputes are on account of women retrospectively reframing their experience. See Emma Sulkowicz for a fine example of the phenomenon.

    The other aspect of this is what a knucklehead Prince Andrew is. This is a man with a security detail and a schedule of public appearances. There must at one time have been records of where he was when in March of 2001 far more detailed than you'd find in regard to about 98% of humanity. No reference to any of that. Instead, he claims nearly 20 years after the fact to remember the precise day he went to a pizza joint in London to gather up some take out for Beatrice. The 'I don't sweat due to trauma in the Falklands' claim sounds like something out of a Monty Python skit. The statement 'I have a tendency to be too honorable' in the course of explaining why he had to tell Epstein in person that he could no longer associate with him (nearly three years after his conviction) was just jaw dropping. He not only cast doubt on his more plausible claims, he made himself look like a complete tool in the process.

    Replies: @David In TN

    I’ve studied the Jeffrey Epstein affair closely. I agree that one of the puzzles is “Where were the parents?” A lawyer for the victims, Bradley Edwards, in his book wondered why Epstein was never confronted by an irate father. Edwards just threw the thought out without following up on it.

    Yes, Epstein could pick a mark like John Kennedy. In 1962, JFK, age 45, started having sex with a 19-year old debutante type. She didn’t tell her parents, wasn’t close to them, which JFK must have had an instinct for spotting.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    @David In TN

    I agree that one of the puzzles is “Where were the parents?”

    Weren't most of the victims East European girls from difficult circumstances? Anyway, you answer your own question. People like Epstein have a nose for girls from broken homes or absent fathers, and our society keeps churning out plenty of those.

    Replies: @David In TN

    , @Steve Sailer
    @David In TN

    JFK was good at reading people.

    My vague impression of most of Epstein's jailbait victims is ... Florida Girl.

    Replies: @David In TN

  307. @anon
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    It is really shocking just how skewed the admissions is from well-connected private schools to these elite colleges. That was the input. Now look at the output. This is what I got from Forbes' 400 richest in 2020 (minimum $2.1b net worth):

    1) 21% went to just 2 schools: Harvard or Stanford (15 undergrad, 31 grad for Harvard, 14 undergrad, 22 grad for Stanford, including dropouts).

    2) Another 19% of the 400 richest went to just 5 other schools as either undergrad or grad: Penn, Yale, Columbia, NYU, USC.

    i.e. 40% of the 400 richest went to just 7 schools.

    The biggest surprise for me was USC, which has 12 undergrads in the top 400.

    I guess this explains why NYU and USC are the two most popular schools for grads of Harvard-Westlake, averaging 18.4 to NYU and 14.2 to USC in each of the last 5 years.

    I think our elite colleges are the root of all our inequality problems in this country. It's a country club that perpetuates itself. It's time for the hypocrites who run these schools to live up to the equality ideals that they espouse and abolish themselves. I think our nation will be better off without our elite colleges. Either burn them all to the ground or make them all 100% black, same difference.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @The Last Real Calvinist

    Thanks again — these numbers are also highly illuminating.

    I think our elite colleges are the root of all our inequality problems in this country. It’s a country club that perpetuates itself. It’s time for the hypocrites who run these schools to live up to the equality ideals that they espouse and abolish themselves. I think our nation will be better off without our elite colleges. Either burn them all to the ground or make them all 100% black, same difference.

    Fully agreed.

    I think the best line of attack — initially, at least — is aimed at these institutions’ colossal endowments. Tax them, put pressure on them to ‘redistribute’ them in the name of ‘equity’, whatever, but remove the cushy bales of cash upon which these institutions and those in their employ so blissfully rest.

    There is also hope in attack via lawsuit on the grounds of admissions manipulations according to race, but that has turned out to be more promising than productive in the past few years.

  308. @PhysicistDave
    @AndrewR

    AndrewR wrote to me:


    Sorry for your loss. She [our elderly neighbor who just passed away] sounds like she was a cool old lady.
     
    Most Americans used to be like her: no college degree, started work right after high school during WW II, raised her kids well -- they're about our age and we know all four of them. And she would be civil to people whether they agreed with her or disagreed.

    America used to be like that. I remember.

    Andrew also asked:

    May I ask why you remain in California?
     
    Well, our kids grew up here, we own a house, I've been out here for nearly five decades and my wife even longer.

    And the rest of the country tends to follow California. The USA needs to move beyond the current nonsense together.

    Replies: @RichardTaylor

    Most Americans used to be like her: no college degree, started work right after high school during WW II, raised her kids well — they’re about our age … she would be civil to people whether they agreed with her or disagreed.

    Oh yeah, you mean White folks. Especially working and middle class. The ones you betrayed.

  309. @HA
    @Jack D

    "Germany , Italy, etc. aren’t run by Isis yet but their age of consent is 14 and the world has not ended."

    Which has nothing whatsoever to do with what my comment, which was that getting rid of age-of-consent laws altogether is the kind of thing that potential ISIS recruits might be in favor of. I mean, read what I actually said. If Germany and Italy have an age of consent of 14, as you yourself say, then they haven't gotten rid of them altogether either. Moreover, there is undoubtedly some idiot there, too, crying about how unfair it is that he's in prison given that some other country somewhere that would allow him to have sex with 13 year olds without the world ending. I don't have much sympathy for him, either.

    No one is saying that statutory rape laws aren't inherently arbitrary. I took pains to stipulate that. But try and offer something better in response than saying the world wouldn't end if they were a little looser. Of what legislation could that NOT be said? How about this -- what if we raised it up a year higher? Is the world going to end then? I don't think so. So it's not a real argument.

    I mean, I get it. Of all the injustices in this world, one of the ones that really seems to get your goat is that 40-ish-year-old men and assorted Brish royals are not allowed to have sex with 16-year-old "women" without everyone getting all judgmental and stinkeyed about it. Oh, the horror! What is this world coming to? Well, that's your right, I guess. Speaking for myself, I'm gonna wait a while before I start worrying about that. How long, you ask? I'm gonna say "never". Does that work for you?

    Replies: @Johann Ricke

    I mean, I get it. Of all the injustices in this world, one of the ones that really seems to get your goat is that 40-ish-year-old men and assorted Brish royals are not allowed to have sex with 16-year-old “women” without everyone getting all judgmental and stinkeyed about it. Oh, the horror! What is this world coming to? Well, that’s your right, I guess. Speaking for myself, I’m gonna wait a while before I start worrying about that. How long, you ask? I’m gonna say “never”. Does that work for you?

    But that’s the whole point – we shouldn’t be worrying about it, in the sense of wasting scarce law enforcement resources on it. Instead, we should be putting murderers to death expeditiously, preferably in exemplary fashion. Note that German and French laws are not new impositions, but rather the traditional laws on this issue. The same sanctimonious personages stateside who got the age of consent raised also gave us alcohol and drug prohibition.

    • Replies: @HA
    @Johann Ricke

    "But that’s the whole point – we shouldn’t be worrying about it, in the sense of wasting scarce law enforcement resources on it."

    So we should get rid of it altogether? That's not going to fly either. And if we're not, then there's always going to be someone whining about wasting scarce enforcement resources or other such pointless waaambulance arguments made by people grasping at straws. Frankly, I don't much care one way or another. But I know that wherever you draw the line, there'll be whiners on both sides. So draw the line, and then deal with it. Epstein knew -- or should have known -- where the line was. It didn't matter to him, and he gets no sympathy from me. The fact that you're so willing to bestow it on him is the mystery you should be trying to solve, instead of querying me about my position. If the father of one of his targets had put hot high-impact shotgun lead into Epstein's crotch, I wouldn't have much sympathy for him then, either, but it's worth noting that getting the law to intervene in those situations, rather than the aggrieved parties, is yet another reason we have statutory rape regulation.

    "Note that German and French laws are not new impositions, but rather the traditional laws on this issue."

    I suspect in the case of Germany it actually has more to do with a certain ethnic group of people who suffered in the Holocaust (no, not that one -- the OTHER one) regarding it as a kind of ethnic right to marry off their twelve year old daughters, and the Germans bending over backwards out of Holocaust issues not to cramp their style. That'd be my guess.

    As for the French, I'm not impressed by their approach either. Foucault -- and those who support or are swayed by his way of thinking (in this case, that would be you) already have enough to answer for. If that explains the German stance as well, more so than Roma weddings, again, it's not something I feel compelled to emulate.

    Replies: @Jack D

  310. @David In TN
    @Art Deco

    I've studied the Jeffrey Epstein affair closely. I agree that one of the puzzles is "Where were the parents?" A lawyer for the victims, Bradley Edwards, in his book wondered why Epstein was never confronted by an irate father. Edwards just threw the thought out without following up on it.

    Yes, Epstein could pick a mark like John Kennedy. In 1962, JFK, age 45, started having sex with a 19-year old debutante type. She didn't tell her parents, wasn't close to them, which JFK must have had an instinct for spotting.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @Steve Sailer

    I agree that one of the puzzles is “Where were the parents?”

    Weren’t most of the victims East European girls from difficult circumstances? Anyway, you answer your own question. People like Epstein have a nose for girls from broken homes or absent fathers, and our society keeps churning out plenty of those.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    @Peter Akuleyev

    The legal procedure against Epstein was in Palm Beach County, Florida. The victims were working class white girls from a local high school, age 14-16. BTW Epstein insisted on white girls only.

    The media makes then U.S. Attorney Acosta the villain. In fact, the FBI and U.S. Attorney did not have jurisdiction over a local crime. It took interstate transport of victims for federal authorities to be involved.

    The Palm Beach Police thoroughly investigated. They did trash pulls among other things and had names, dates, ages, etc. It was a straight up and down case for the Palm Beach District Attorney, who was one Barry Krischer, a partisan Democrat.

    Krischer had spent three years going after Rush Limbaugh for a pill addiction. It was a case that would never come to trial or go anywhere, but Krischer liked the publicity.

    At first Krischer told the police "We've got to put this guy (Epstein) away." Then he found Jeffrey Epstein was a friend of Bill Clinton and a Democrat donor. Krischer went to the usual slap on the wrist--Soliciting a Prostitute, no jail time.

    I repeat, it was Palm Beach County District Attorney Barry Krischer, not South Florida U.S. Attorney Alex Acosta, who let Epstein off.

    The Palm Beach Police then went to the FBI and U.S. Attorney. From a federal angle the case was harder to make. The Feds decided they would lose in court, so they gave the so-called "Sweetheart Deal." Krischer was involved throughout. The final deal was in state court.

    The MSM wrote Krischer out of the case and used the affair to attack Trump. The Big Media never paid attention to Jeffrey Epstein until 2019.

    I believe if Hillary Clinton had won in 2016, Epstein would still be a free man.

  311. HA says:
    @R.G. Camara
    @Jack D

    And many a teenage sociopath female has used these statutory limits to overly flirt with over-age males in positions of power , such as high school teachers and policemen, to either ruffle their feathers a bunch for fun, get something in return, or else get them into a compromising position to exploit.

    The phrase "15 going on 25" comes to mind for many of these Poison Ivy types.

    Replies: @HA

    “And many a teenage sociopath female has used these statutory limits to overly flirt with over-age males in positions of power… to either ruffle their feathers a bunch for fun, get something in return, or else get them into a compromising position to exploit.”

    Isn’t that all the more reason for over-age men to not have sex with teen-agers?

    There’s all sorts of toxic people in the world you shouldn’t be having sex with. So go out there, and make it a point to not have sex with them. Put it on a post-it note or something. Problem solved.

    And if you’re ever confused, well, check the law. If the law says you’ll go to prison for having sex with that sociopathic teenager you shouldn’t be having sex with in the first place, then again, you should NOT HAVE SEX WITH THAT TEENAGER. Is that really so difficult?

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    @HA


    If the law says you’ll go to prison for having sex with that sociopathic teenager you shouldn’t be having sex with in the first place, then again, you should NOT HAVE SEX WITH THAT TEENAGER. Is that really so difficult?
     
    Um, are you a female or a homosexual male?

    Because trust me---all straight men know this, but some straight men, put into the position where a sexually mature, scantily dressed, femme fatale underage teen is seducing them, will fall. And many men, even if they don't fall, will be sorely tempted.

    I suggest you look up the phrase "barely legal xxx" for more information on how widespread the attraction this type of teen girl poses.

    Replies: @HA

  312. @SFG
    @Jack D

    I'm not sure Harvard being full of idiots is quite as disastrous, though.

    The challenge would be to accumulate wealth and power in alternate networks that don't depend on Harvard and the bicoastal system. At some point you will have Republican control of Congress again. Use antitrust on Silicon Valley and Hollywood. After all, Amazon and Ebay not carrying old Dr. Seuss books wouldn't be an issue if there were hundreds of booksellers. If Apple dumped Parler but there were tens of smartphone networks, who would care? Investigate Harvard and Yale for the racism they're virtue-signallingly saying they're full of (Trump tried to do this but it was too late in his term). Everyone hates having Woke people tell them what to do just like everyone hated having Christian people tell them what to do in the Sixties. They're the Man now, dog. And everyone hates the Man.

    (Really, the LGBTQ Genderperson, but then I couldn't make the old-internet joke.)

    Replies: @Whiskey

    Good Lord, Republican control of Congress again?

    Have you not been paying attention?

    1. Pretty much 90% of Republicans are just Democrats. See, Mitch McConnell.
    2. The new bills and Executive Orders will make every election 100% fraudulent right down to the ballot harvesting by the Urban League and such.
    3. A zillion new states and open borders and voting by illegals makes Democrat control 100% permanent.

    No Republican Congress, or Senate, or President will EVER happen again in our lifetimes. Not ever. It was one vote, one time, forever. Consider the Democrats the PRI and their rule likely for over 100 years.

    If that actually means anything or not is still an open question. We could be just like Greater Venezuela or Columbia under Pablo Escobar. I’d say the odds of that are high.

    And what Steve fails to recognize is the nature of Woke. Woke did not take over from everyone everywhere because it appealed only to weak and ugly people.

    Rather, it appealed to the natural enmity and hatred of White women towards their men, and the constant allying of White women and non-Whites against their mutual enemy: White men.

    Crushing White boys in Harvard-Westlake means crushing the competition for admission to big Harvard. Or Yale. Or Stanford. Harvard’s classes are soon to be nearly all non-White with some White women. What do Admissions people care about donations? Or future ones? It makes no difference to them. Or to Harvard. Harvard has so much money they can feed the natural, eternal, complete enmity White women feel towards their men who are too nice, decent, and boring.

    Of course, nothing bad could ever happen with a whole group of young White men being aced out of their expected positions by a combination of female White grinds who are joyless scolds and Young Jeezy and Pop Smoke. No, nothing could ever happen there.

    Its a bit odd to see the Warrior class like SEALs, Delta, etc. below some fat woman of Color but there you go. How sustainable that is against not just Xi and Vladimir but various narcos remains to be seen.

    • Replies: @Neoconned
    @Whiskey

    I see narco & druglord control coming. As i child i feared latino "infiltration" into the interior of the USA....as I've gotten older & worked more I've come to like latinos as a general rule. I'm like my mother in that Im "a grind" to use your term.....i can do "7 12's"(12 hr shifts 7 days a week)....

    My current boss is a latino guy with a thick accent....he hired me literally out of respect for my work ethic.....i stay 2 hrs late when the next crew is shorthanded etc....

    I was incorrectly told yesterday to take a day off....he just spent ten minutes on the phone with me chewing me out because he was shorthanded....

    My point.....latino business organizations....legal or otherwise tend to respect & will hire hardworking white family men with a family to support.....if this woke idiocy continues.....power may indeed decentralize to what are basically warlords and narcogenerals etc....

    I've spent a considerable amount of time in Florida, Texas and California not to mention most of the rest of the SW.....latino people are largely docile & hard working.....and even the mobster ones leave you alone if you show them respect and don't interfere with their dope running.....or whatever it is that they do.....

  313. @HA
    @R.G. Camara

    "And many a teenage sociopath female has used these statutory limits to overly flirt with over-age males in positions of power... to either ruffle their feathers a bunch for fun, get something in return, or else get them into a compromising position to exploit."

    Isn't that all the more reason for over-age men to not have sex with teen-agers?

    There's all sorts of toxic people in the world you shouldn't be having sex with. So go out there, and make it a point to not have sex with them. Put it on a post-it note or something. Problem solved.

    And if you're ever confused, well, check the law. If the law says you'll go to prison for having sex with that sociopathic teenager you shouldn't be having sex with in the first place, then again, you should NOT HAVE SEX WITH THAT TEENAGER. Is that really so difficult?

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

    If the law says you’ll go to prison for having sex with that sociopathic teenager you shouldn’t be having sex with in the first place, then again, you should NOT HAVE SEX WITH THAT TEENAGER. Is that really so difficult?

    Um, are you a female or a homosexual male?

    Because trust me—all straight men know this, but some straight men, put into the position where a sexually mature, scantily dressed, femme fatale underage teen is seducing them, will fall. And many men, even if they don’t fall, will be sorely tempted.

    I suggest you look up the phrase “barely legal xxx” for more information on how widespread the attraction this type of teen girl poses.

    • Replies: @HA
    @R.G. Camara

    "Um, are you a female or a homosexual male?"

    I'm someone expected to pony up the welfare when a teenage girl gets pregnant or has complications (Note that "complications during pregnancy and childbirth are the leading cause of death for 15–19-year-old girls globally"). If I'm expected to pay for it, then I get a say in it. That's just how it goes.

    And no, I'm not assuaged if the sex just involves giving hand jobs as was with most of Epstein's plaintiffs, or else anal entry, as with Polanski. Once the juices start flowing, so to speak, the risks of teen pregnancy and all its downstream effects go up. Life finds a way, after all, and those wigglers are tenacious little critters. And I know the comeback argument, given that this isn't my first rodeo, is going to be that a 15 year old getting pregnant is a lot better than a woman having her first kid at 35 or 40, but I'm not swayed by whataboutism either. If 35-year-old first-time mothers really outrage you, then try and get a law passed about that, and see how far it gets you. It doesn't affect any of what I've just said.

    "And many men, even if they don’t fall, will be sorely tempted."

    And this is supposed to impress me? Really? Lots of things beyond the legal pale tempt one person or another. That doesn't mean we have to apologize if we put a law against swiping them. In fact, the sore temptation is one of the main reasons we put that law around it. Do I really need to explain this to you?

    Again, I'm not particularly outraged by any of this. I'm not crying "won't someone think of the children?". If there's a vote to lower -- or even raise -- the age of consent, and my vote isn't part of the winning side, no big deal. I'm not going expend a lot of drama whining about it like some of the people around here. But by the same token, I see no need to apologize for the very concept of statutory rape restriction, or even the fact that we decided to make it a year or two higher than some other country. Like I said, pick a number and then have the guts to follow through. Ignore the pathetic pity party about how blue your cojones are getting because some 15 year old flirted with you. That's YOUR problem.

    Replies: @Jack D

  314. HA says:
    @Johann Ricke
    @HA


    I mean, I get it. Of all the injustices in this world, one of the ones that really seems to get your goat is that 40-ish-year-old men and assorted Brish royals are not allowed to have sex with 16-year-old “women” without everyone getting all judgmental and stinkeyed about it. Oh, the horror! What is this world coming to? Well, that’s your right, I guess. Speaking for myself, I’m gonna wait a while before I start worrying about that. How long, you ask? I’m gonna say “never”. Does that work for you?
     
    But that's the whole point - we shouldn't be worrying about it, in the sense of wasting scarce law enforcement resources on it. Instead, we should be putting murderers to death expeditiously, preferably in exemplary fashion. Note that German and French laws are not new impositions, but rather the traditional laws on this issue. The same sanctimonious personages stateside who got the age of consent raised also gave us alcohol and drug prohibition.

    Replies: @HA

    “But that’s the whole point – we shouldn’t be worrying about it, in the sense of wasting scarce law enforcement resources on it.”

    So we should get rid of it altogether? That’s not going to fly either. And if we’re not, then there’s always going to be someone whining about wasting scarce enforcement resources or other such pointless waaambulance arguments made by people grasping at straws. Frankly, I don’t much care one way or another. But I know that wherever you draw the line, there’ll be whiners on both sides. So draw the line, and then deal with it. Epstein knew — or should have known — where the line was. It didn’t matter to him, and he gets no sympathy from me. The fact that you’re so willing to bestow it on him is the mystery you should be trying to solve, instead of querying me about my position. If the father of one of his targets had put hot high-impact shotgun lead into Epstein’s crotch, I wouldn’t have much sympathy for him then, either, but it’s worth noting that getting the law to intervene in those situations, rather than the aggrieved parties, is yet another reason we have statutory rape regulation.

    “Note that German and French laws are not new impositions, but rather the traditional laws on this issue.”

    I suspect in the case of Germany it actually has more to do with a certain ethnic group of people who suffered in the Holocaust (no, not that one — the OTHER one) regarding it as a kind of ethnic right to marry off their twelve year old daughters, and the Germans bending over backwards out of Holocaust issues not to cramp their style. That’d be my guess.

    As for the French, I’m not impressed by their approach either. Foucault — and those who support or are swayed by his way of thinking (in this case, that would be you) already have enough to answer for. If that explains the German stance as well, more so than Roma weddings, again, it’s not something I feel compelled to emulate.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @HA

    The age of consent in Germany has been 14 since at least 1872. Between 14 and 16, seduction of an "unblemished girl under the age of 16" was prosecuted upon complaint of parents or legal guardian only. This has nothing to do with Gypsies. It reflects traditional understanding of human behavior and biology.

    Replies: @HA

  315. @jilla2
    @Anon

    I work on Wall Street and what I've seen is that even in investment banking - the top echelon of most firms - companies are starting to move beyond the top tier schools into non-target schools.

    In my area, where we once hired a lot of people with big name MBAs, we're now hiring people who would have had trouble getting an operations job 20 years ago.

    I think this is some combination of young people shifting their interest to tech from finance as well as Wall Street being too competitive post-2008 to hire people with sh!tty attitudes. this isn't to say that MBAs from top notch schools aren't overrepresented, but Wall Street has become a lot more democratized.

    tech, at least on the engineering side, has always focused outside of the ivy league.

    it'll be interesting to see if degrees from elite schools will still be a ticket to a high-paying corporate job ten years from now. i personally think these schools have jumped the shark.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Hibernian

    Thanks.

  316. @guest007
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Harvard-Westlake is 31% Asian but only 8% Hispanic. https://www.niche.com/k12/harvard-westlake-school-los-angeles-ca/students/

    Harvard-Westlake appears to be the schools who families who are rich because they live in Southern California but do not really like living there and really do not like living around so many Mexican/Mexican-Americans.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Traditionally, Harvard-Westlake was very hard academically.

    • Replies: @guest007
    @Steve Sailer

    Average about 1 admission a year to MIT (freshman class around 1200) and Cal TEch (freshman class 250) shows that the school is tough. The number of students going to Washington Univ indicates the STEM nature of many of the graduates. There are even a few Rice University admissions.

    However, the NYU number of admissions shows that many of the parents are probably originally from the east coast and many probably do work in the media/ show business (look at the number of admissions to Carnegie-Mellon).

    Steve, you should do a review of the book Parenting to a Degree by Laura Hamilton. It reviews the college experience from the POV of parents who children went to large state universities instead of being Ivy obsessed.

  317. anonymous[136] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    @Art Deco

    This. As a tenured prof at a good school that has gone nuts i am desperate to get out. These people could create schools that employ people like me. But the kids would not get a job at goldman. Those jobs are for people who have taken the ticket. Borrowing a line from Vox Day.

    Replies: @jilla2, @Art Deco, @HA, @Anon, @anonymous

    This. As a tenured prof at a good school that has gone nuts i am desperate to get out.

    Whites only know how to retreat and surrender. They never fight to hold territory.

  318. Weiss: the Miseducation of America’s Elites

    Is that her autobiography?

  319. @Art Deco
    @anon

    Think it through. How did Dalton School wind up hiring a perv? Barr took over Dalton and recruited CIA’s most effective pedo blackmailer.


    Wm. Barr's father was the headmaster of the Dalton School. Epstein was employed there as a math teacher for about two years, ca. 1977, when he was 23 years old.

    While we're at it, no one has to date accused Epstein of molesting a prepubescent child. His interests were in late-adolescent / post-adolescent girls. (I think there's been one accusation about a 14 year old).

    Replies: @Jack D, @Paperback Writer, @Alden, @JohnnyWalker123, @JohnnyWalker123

    He did molest children.

  320. @Art Deco
    @anon

    Think it through. How did Dalton School wind up hiring a perv? Barr took over Dalton and recruited CIA’s most effective pedo blackmailer.


    Wm. Barr's father was the headmaster of the Dalton School. Epstein was employed there as a math teacher for about two years, ca. 1977, when he was 23 years old.

    While we're at it, no one has to date accused Epstein of molesting a prepubescent child. His interests were in late-adolescent / post-adolescent girls. (I think there's been one accusation about a 14 year old).

    Replies: @Jack D, @Paperback Writer, @Alden, @JohnnyWalker123, @JohnnyWalker123

    He did molest children.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @JohnnyWalker123

    The sourcing on this is extremely weak. It comes second hand from Virginia Giuffre, the over the hill woman who enjoyed having sex with a prince back in the day when she was attractive to men but now that she has hit the Wall, no longer wants girls to have that kind of power that she no longer possesses.

    Ms Giuffre also said: "Jeffrey bragged after he met them that they were 12-year-olds and flown over from France because they're really poor over there..."

    Yes, everyone knows that France is a very poor country. The French are notorious for prostituting their children so they can afford to buy cheese for themselves. Young Virginia was dumb but sexy. Now she's just dumb.

    Replies: @David In TN, @JohnnyWalker123

  321. @R.G. Camara
    @PhysicistDave

    Must've been those dang dirty Catholics, eh, bigot?

    Perhaps you can draw a parallel from this to how dumb Catholic mass is, ya ignorant turd?

    BTW, any luck merely googling "how did Caesar pay his armies" instead of cluttering up the comment section, you sub-100 IQ wretch?

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    R.G. Camara wrote to me:

    you sub-100 IQ wretch

    Hey, RG, my friend — hope you and your loved ones are doing well.

    I do have a 4.0 GPA from Caltech, and a PhD in elementary-particle physics from Stanford, and I am also co-inventor on a number of patents. Admittedly, my 800 on the SAT was only in math; I was marginally lower on the verbal SAT.

    I think perhaps we can let everyone here judge whether it is you or I who more likely has an IQ below 100.

    RG also wrote to me:

    Must’ve been those dang dirty Catholics, eh, bigot?

    RG, over the decades, I have had a number of friends, not to mention relatives, who are Roman Catholics. I do not hate Catholics. I do disagree with them.

    If anyone wants to know why RG is so mad at me, I mentioned quite a while ago that of course most Americans do not accept the Catholic dogma of transubstantiation, simply because most Americans are not Catholics. Obviously, people who do accept that dogma are accepting it because of the religious group to which they belong.

    I am genuinely curious as to whether RG can point to anyone who accepts that dogma who is not a member of a religious group that promulgates the dogma.

    Anyway, for some weird reason, my pointing out that of course acceptance of transubstantiation is tied to membership in a particular religious group has deeply unhinged my friend RG.

    Which is really quite funny, since I am quite sure that even RG himself does know that almost no one accepts transubstantiation unless they are part of a religious group that pushes it.

    You take care, RG!

    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    @PhysicistDave

    And here I was, thinking, "This is going to be better than the legendary Jack D.-Art Deco face-offs."

    But no: you're a class act, Dave. Really. And no one who frequents these comments would seriously question your (or your interlocutor's) intelligence.

    Go in good health.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @Kylie

    , @Hibernian
    @PhysicistDave


    of course acceptance of transubstantiation is tied to membership in a particular religious group
     
    I have to admit it's not something I would have come up with on my own.
  322. @Anonymous
    @PhysicistDave

    I don't necessarily disagree with your broader point, but Mike Lindell is a terrible example. The man isn't your local barber who happens to have conservative opinions; he's a conservative pundit who happens to sell (not very good) pillows as part of his hustle. It is perfectly reasonable for BB&B to not want him associated with their brand.

    Replies: @fnn, @bomag, @Jack D, @Cloudbuster, @PhysicistDave

    Anonymous[215] wrote to me:

    Mike Lindell is a terrible example. The man isn’t your local barber who happens to have conservative opinions; he’s a conservative pundit who happens to sell (not very good) pillows as part of his hustle.

    Actually, my wife and I have had his pillows for a few years and we like them, and we did not know his political views when we bought them.

    In any case, BB&B made very, very clear that they were not dropping his products because the products were not good. It was very clear that they did so to impact political speech.

    And if they play that game, and decent people decline to do so, the decent people lose.

  323. @Achmed E. Newman
    @PhysicistDave

    I agree very much with your point, Dave, that we shouldn't have to live our lives using politics in everything we do. When it comes to Big Biz (amazon and the like), it's almost impossible to keep it all going. You patronize Chick Filet for a while, then you don't...

    However, this is why we real conservatives need to keep things local as much as we can and build communities of like-minded people. The plumber, the barber, etc. are not likely to be the woke ones. Your internet provider (can't get out of that one these days!), Amazon, who you may want to find and alternative to for many items, the local government schools, etc., are the woke ones that shouldn't be supported. That latter one, the schools, is what this post is about, along with the discussion, i.e. by Yglesias, on "make your own school", something I want to comment on further ...

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    Achmed E. Newman says

    That latter one, the schools, is what this post is about, along with the discussion, i.e. by Yglesias, on “make your own school”, something I want to comment on further …

    Well we homeschooled our kids, and they ended up with higher test scores than most of the kids admitted to Stanford, Harvard, etc. (not Caltech), and our kids did much, much more advanced work in high school than anyone I know who has gone to Stanford or the Ivies (or most who go to Caltech).

    Of course, our kids did not get admitted to Stanford or Harvard: talking with those schools and the admitted students, it became very clear that they really are looking for kids like the guy who wrote “BlackLivesMatter” a hundred times for his Stanford essay.

    I wonder how long it will be before most people know that the real skill acquired by Harvard and Stanford students is simply bullshitting.

    On second thought, maybe everyone already knows that, and it is just that our leading institutions are primarily looking for that skill.

  324. @El Dato

    Matthew Yglesias wonders why the free market isn’t solving this problem
     
    I rather think he wonders whether people shouldn't just go to public schools, which they pay for anyway?

    Anway, people who put a photo of their masked mug into that roundel on Blue Social Meedja are sub-par. Use a nice pic of USB-connected NPC man or something.

    OT:

    In (((Our Democracy))) you must not insult troops of Kamerad Röhm:

    Mumford & Sons banjo player apologizes for endorsing Andy Ngo book, critical of Antifa, ‘takes time’ off the band amid backlash

    Hounded by a mob of enraged netizens [who? fellow UK artists Sleaford Mods for one], [UK band] Mumford & Sons banjo player Winston Marshall has retracted an endorsement of conservative journalist Andy Ngo’s book on Antifa, drawing accusations of caving in to “bullies.”

    “Over the past few days I have come to better understand the pain caused by the book I endorsed,” the British musician wrote in a tweet on Tuesday night. “I have offended not only a lot of people I don’t know, but also those closest to me, including my bandmates and for that I am truly sorry. As a result of my actions I am taking time away from the band to examine my blindspots… Please know that I realize how my endorsements have the potential to be viewed as approvals of hateful, divisive behavior.”
     
    And you should be, Herr Marshall. Know who the good guys are.

    Replies: @Roderick Spode, @Peter Akuleyev, @Tex, @AndrewR

    What is so bad about that book? The replies to his cowardly apology are savage. This little cuck just destroyed his own career by caving to the mob and showing his true character.

  325. @Jack D
    @Anonymous

    BB&B wanted him associated with their brand for many years until the final frenzy of anti-Trumpism. You may not think that the pillows are very good but apparently people like them and buy them and this made BB&B a lot of money over the years. But when Lindell defended the EEEVIL Trump, they dropped him like a hot potato. I guess other business people should get the message that if you have conservative opinions you should keep them to yourself. Free speech in America is dead, at least for anyone who is not a Leftist.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    An American and a Russian meet in the year 2021.

    The Russian brags about how he has freedom of speech in his country. “I can criticize Russian government, even president, and no one arrest me or fire me from job.”

    The American says: “So what? In America we can criticize the Russian government too without any negative consequences.”

    • LOL: PhysicistDave
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @AndrewR


    "I can criticize Russian government, even president, and no one arrest me or fire me from job.”
     
    Note that the Russian doesn't rule out poisoning.
  326. @David In TN
    @Art Deco

    I've studied the Jeffrey Epstein affair closely. I agree that one of the puzzles is "Where were the parents?" A lawyer for the victims, Bradley Edwards, in his book wondered why Epstein was never confronted by an irate father. Edwards just threw the thought out without following up on it.

    Yes, Epstein could pick a mark like John Kennedy. In 1962, JFK, age 45, started having sex with a 19-year old debutante type. She didn't tell her parents, wasn't close to them, which JFK must have had an instinct for spotting.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @Steve Sailer

    JFK was good at reading people.

    My vague impression of most of Epstein’s jailbait victims is … Florida Girl.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    @Steve Sailer

    Yes, as I said in another comment the victims in Palm Beach County were working class white girls who needed the $200 Epstein gave them, plus another $200 for bringing another girl to him. The father was often a druggie, absent, or both.

  327. @kaganovitch
    @Alden

    That book was as bad as the Leo Frank defense in making it difficult to prosecute rape.

    I'm not sure I follow. The Frank defense was "the black guy did it". This is , according to your own opinion above, very often the case. So exactly how did the Frank defense make it diffic