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The New York Times sent a whole passel of reporters to New Mexico to cover the big, developing story of the MAGA bro who was driving around murdering Muslims. But then it turned out to be a Sunni murdering Shi’ites because his daughter had married a Shi’ite. So they wound up writing this story:

Muslim Killings in Albuquerque Stir Sectarian Ghosts

An Afghan family struggled for a foothold in a new home in the U.S. Now one of them is charged with killing fellow Muslims.

By Simon Romero, Miriam Jordan, Ava Sasani and Nicholas Bogel-Burroughs
Aug. 15, 2022

ALBUQUERQUE — Five years ago, Muhammad Syed was eyeing a new life with his family in a new land. They had fled war-torn Afghanistan and resettled as refugees into a small duplex near the airport in Albuquerque. Mr. Syed found work as a truck driver. But then the troubles began.

Coming from a culture where women largely stayed at home, he grew enraged with his wife as she was learning how to drive, grabbing her hair and kicking her out of the car, according to one of several reports of domestic violence the police were called to investigate. A security camera showed him slashing the tires of another woman’s car outside Albuquerque’s largest mosque, and he was banned from coming back to their place of worship.

When his daughter enrolled in college, he tried to force her to bring her brother to class as a chaperone. And when she became romantically involved with an Afghan man from a different branch of Islam — a Shiite, while Mr. Syed and his family were Sunni — he attacked the young man and threatened to kill him, the man later told the police.

“Syed was explosive, violent, always seeking revenge,” said Sharif Ahmadi Hadi, an Afghan immigrant who, together with his brother, opened a halal market serving Albuquerque’s growing Muslim community and knew the Syed family. “We left Afghanistan to get away from people like him. But they followed us here.” …

But only other immigrants are allowed to complain about immigrants.

Though Mr. Syed claimed to have fought the Taliban in Afghanistan, no record of military service has emerged so far. After arriving in the United States in 2016, the family struggled to make ends meet, according to an Afghan friend who visited their home on numerous occasions. Mr. Syed, who had worked as a cook for a construction company in Afghanistan, eventually became a truck driver, though it was unclear how often he worked.

Why was the killer allowed into the United States?

 
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  1. But only other immigrants are allowed to complain about immigrants.

    Just like we are only allowed to lament Black-on-Black crime, but not complain about Black-on-white crime.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Anonymous

    No, we have to pretend that all crime against blacks is committed by whites

  2. Why was the killer allowed into the United States?

    He’d been thoroughly vetted, Steve, vetted, I tell you, with a background check that started with his attendance record in elementary school in E. Bumfuckistan.

    Really, there’s nothing in the excerpt that one wouldn’t expect from the Moslem culture. What did this guy expect of America? Oh, yeah, he expected to become part of a Sunni Moslem Community here, one which would have the same culture as his back in Afghanistan, except with better infrastructure and free stuff from the US Government.

    Alternate explanation: We haven’t had a civil war in a long time, so our elites want to import some of these for entertainment?

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Achmed E. Newman

    After World War II we imported thousand of Nazis to work on stuff like rocket science and mind control drugs. Maybe the Afghan rowdies are here for engineering projects?

  3. Admitting violent, low-IQ, unassimilable foreigners is a feature, not a bug, of the present immigration system.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Diversity Heretic


    Admitting violent, low-IQ, unassimilable foreigners is a feature, not a bug, of the present immigration system.

     

    Indeed. If you are one of The Best Of Us, i.e. a fully Woke Substitute Savior, it's just so much more glorious to 'save' a sexy, glamorous trangressor. What fun do quiet, law-abiding immigrants (or citizens, for that matter) provide?
    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Diversity Heretic

    There is no upside to importing these people. But if they just kill each other the same as they would in their home country, is that a big detriment to native born Americans? (If they start killing us that's a different matter, of course).

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @AndrewR, @Harry Baldwin, @Diversity Heretic

    , @Dream
    @Diversity Heretic

    America does accept lots of high IQ foreigners.

    https://twitter.com/archiexzzz/status/1559179695232811008?t=IUKHw2USKmrpAtRb6S_tnQ&s=19

    Replies: @AceDeuce, @bomag

  4. Are we surprised?
    Of course not.
    Will it change anything?
    Of course not.

    Here, I hate to do this but have some good news for a change.

    London Sex Change Clinic For Kids Shut Down And Sued By 1000 Families

    https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/tavistock-london-sex-change-clinic-kids-shut-down-and-sued-1000-families

    Perhaps we’ve reached the apogee of this particular perversion.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Bill Jones


    London Sex Change Clinic For Kids Shut Down And Sued By 1000 Families
     
    On the one hand, hoorah. On the other hand, they are suing the NHS which means that Joe Taxpayer will end up footing the bill.

    Whether individuals from that benighted clinic will ever be held responsible is another matter entirely.

    Replies: @LP5

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Bill Jones

    Steve covered this—or rather covered the coverage of this, as is his wont—a few weeks ago:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/how-the-daily-mail-and-the-new-york-times-cover-a-big-defeat-for-transmania/#comment-5466810

    , @Anonymous
    @Bill Jones

    This is going to end up like the satanic daycare hysteria of the 1980s and recovered-memory panic of the 1990s.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @Rob McX
    @Bill Jones

    Here's another sign that may be encouraging. You probably don't know what a period dignity officer is, but Scotland has just appointed its first. At least people are getting mad because it's a man, after all they've been told about periods not being a female monopoly.

    Replies: @BB753, @Reg Cæsar

  5. “Coming from a culture where women largely stayed at home, he grew enraged with his wife as she was learning how to drive”

    Afghans have pretty much stayed at home over the centuries, because it was too dangerous going to the next valley where you might be killed. They only left their villages for warfare and occasional trips to sack cities like Delhi. So they didn’t get the opportunity to develop sayings like

    “When in Rome, do as the Romans do”

    OT, but the heritability of intelligence is the elephant in the room yet again.

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/aug/16/no-improvement-in-school-attainment-gap-in-england-for-20-years-report-says

    The attainment gap between poorer pupils and their better-off class mates is just as large now as it was 20 years ago, according to a damning new report which says the coronavirus pandemic is likely to have increased the inequalities in education

    The landmark study, based on research carried out for the Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) and funded by the Nuffield Foundation, found that disadvantaged pupils start school behind their better-off peers, and those inequalities persist through their school years and beyond – eventually having an impact on earnings.

    The authors state there is overwhelming evidence that the education system in England leaves too many young people behind, and despite decades of policy focus, there has been little if any shift in the gaps in educational attainment between children from different backgrounds.

    The report said: “Despite decades of policy attention, there has been virtually no change in the ‘disadvantage gap’ in GCSE attainment over the past 20 years. While GCSE attainment has been increasing over time, 16-year-olds who are eligible for free school meals are still around 27 percentage points less likely to earn good GCSEs than less disadvantaged peers.”

    It’s odd, but in 2004 the Guardian was singing a very different song. I don’t think state education has changed a great deal in the last 18 years, for the first 6 of which Labour were still in power.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2004/may/20/uk.schools

    The “Blair generation” will be the best educated in history, the school standards minister, David Miliband, promised yesterday as he backed a drive to engage parents more in their children’s education.

    In an interview with the Guardian timed to coincide with the second anniversary of his appointment to oversee school standards in 2002, Mr Miliband said the country was at an “absolutely defining moment for public services” with high levels of expectation and record investment, despite the paradox of the political turmoil caused by the situation in Iraq.

    Parents would be urged to support the state system, which an upbeat Mr Miliband pledged would create “the best educated generation ever” by the end of three Labour terms.

    He refused to condemn middle class parents who “work the system” by moving into the catchment areas of the best state schools, and would say only: “Politicians should never attack parents for doing their best for their kids.” Instead, his priority was for everyone to have access to good schools.

    The former head of the No 10 policy unit, himself educated at a North London compre hensive school, acknowledged the continuing flight to private schools but said the need was to build up confidence in the maintained sector.

    “I think we can build confidence over time with this Blair generation of kids who were five in September 1997, they are 11 or 12 now, start secondary school in September 2004, think forward to the end of the next parliament, that the Blair generation will be coming towards the end of their secondary education.

    Children who were 5 in May 1997 – the Blair generation – were 18 in May 2010 when Labour left office.

    • Thanks: MEH 0910
  6. But only other immigrants are allowed to complain about immigrants.

    Still the best is the time high profile British politician David Blunkett articulated complaints about Roma by Pakistanis in his constituency that if made by English, sorry, White British, people would have caused the media to eviscerate him.

    David Blunkett riot fear over Roma migrant tensions

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-24909979

    ‘A time bomb’: how social tensions are rising in a corner of northern England

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/03/roma-tire-shouldering-blame-boiling-pot-communities

    The Roma are only present because the neocons in Washington actively encouraged the expansion of the EU into the former Warsaw pact (We have seen how well that project as gone at it’s apex) despite those places having nothing to offer Western Europe and expanding it’s borders into them encouraging more migrants to try reaching Western Europe through them. When Romania and Bulgaria had it’s citizens gain the right to move and work in any other EU country it led to a flood of Roma. Interestingly in Page Hall, where all this is happening, the Roma are from Slovakia so must have been more established since Slovakia got right to work and live in 2004.

    The Roma, of course, like other vagrant clannish peoples are highly antisocial towards outgroups, acting like parasites and tend to produce intense hatred. Albeit this could be said to a lesser extent about the Pakistanis but the types of people who might observe this are the wrong ethnicity so the open ethnic hatred of Pakistanis against Roma must be understood and heard. That the Pakistanis and Roma get into so much trouble with each precisely because the Pakistanis are too much like the Roma compared to other large groups is left unmentioned. In a way the Guardian piece is as much cathartic chance to express cryptic English resentful observations on them as anything else. Incidentally, no mention will be made about how Brexit removes more such people coming going forward. Mention is made about how Brexit will make things worse by removing EU funding for ‘integration’ of Roma, but if the authoritarian regimes of the communist Balkans failed I doubt ‘integration programmes’ (Themselves an admission that Roma are a problem) will help. The removal of any more Roma immigration is obviously much more beneficial.

    It was an unusually heavy response to a fight in a school canteen: a police helicopter, police dog and 15 police vehicles all rushed to Fir Vale Academy in Page Hall, Sheffield, one Tuesday in late September.

    The drama, inevitably, was caught on camera. The screaming in the dinner hall, children climbing on tables to escape. Outside, a teenage girl in handcuffs, face-down on a police car; the man in a tracksuit being mauled by a police dog. A pupil had texted false talk of a knife fight, and parents had been trying to scale the fence to reach the school.

    Five years ago, David Blunkett, serving his final years as an MP, warned that Page Hall, a multicultural district of Sheffield which had become one of the city’s most deprived areas after the decline of the steel industry, was a “boiling pot” waiting to spill over. Describing tensions between the more established Pakistani community and an influx of Slovakian Roma people, whom he said needed to make more of an effort to fit in, he told BBC Radio Sheffield: “We have to change the behaviour and the culture of the incoming community, the Roma community, because there’s going to be an explosion otherwise. We all know that.” Blunkett feared a repeat of violence that erupted between Asian and white youths in Bradford and other cities in 2001.

    Though they wouldn’t say so publicly, officials from communities all over the country with a sudden high concentration of Roma residents recognised the tensions Blunkett described. In Rotherham, Doncaster, Derby, Peterborough, Glasgow and Luton, the local authorities continue to grapple with the challenges brought by their new Roma residents since EU expansion into eastern Europe in the 2000s. Many fear that Brexit will result in the loss of funding from the EU through the European Social Fund, undoing any progress that has been made.

    The last, most scientific, attempt at estimating the UK’s Roma population, by Salford University in 2013, put it at just under 200,000. That has almost certainly ballooned. As EU citizens, mostly from Slovakia, the Czech Republic, Poland, Hungary and Romania, Roma do not have to register on arrival. So local authorities tried to make their own estimates based on school admissions and GP registrations – neither terribly reliable considering the Roma mistrust of authority, stemming from deep-rooted discrimination in their home countries.

    Like many new arrivals, the Roma have tended to stick together. They rent poor-quality private accommodation in the cheapest areas and toil in the sort of unskilled, low-paid jobs many Britons snub. Big families cram into two-bed terraced houses.

    In many rapidly changing neighbourhoods, tensions over noise, antisocial behaviour and litter quickly surfaced with the more established residents. Usually of immigrant background themselves, many of them had worked in the same minimum-wage jobs on arrival as the Roma but had managed to buy their properties. The flow of Roma has slowed since the Brexit vote brought an increase in hate crime, but in a letter to parents after the canteen fight at Fir Vale, the soon-to-be-ousted headteacher said 24 new pupils had started in the week after the incident.

    Six miles north-east of Page Hall is Eastwood, a suburb of Rotherham. Ever since she was elected to represent the town in 2012, Sarah Champion MP has been receiving complaints about litter, fly-tipping and antisocial behaviour, blamed on Roma arrivals. For a long time, the complaints came from white British and British Pakistani people who had bought their homes before EU enlargement, said the Labour MP. “There are people who put all their savings into their homes and find how they are worth less than they paid for them. They are stuck. They can’t leave the area. It’s a nightmare,” she said. A two-bed terrace on Milton Road, one of the most fly-tipped streets, sold in 2015 for £38,000. Four years previously it had been bought for £59,950.

    Most recently, postal workers said they were so frightened delivering in Eastwood after being mugged for their parcels that they no longer went out alone. “They are terrified because of the level of intimidation,’” said Champion. She went out on a round with two postal workers: “If I wasn’t with two post people, I would have been running away. I was really shocked how bad it was.”

    But as their English improves, the Roma want to defend themselves. Recently, Champion went to a meeting of about 40 Eastwood Roma residents, who said they felt intimidated and victimised in their own homes, let alone the streets. “They talked of bullying and degradation, and they were saying that it was the Pakistanis who were doing it,” said the MP. She said the “disreputable” landlords renting to Roma were almost exclusively Pakistanis, happy to take high rents for substandard properties, secure that the Roma would not complain.

    The Guardian still can’t help itself, failing to define numbers (There are few professions majority immigrant) about jobs ‘Britons snub’. The Roma are hated because they don’t like work but like Mafia types liking spivery. It’s not that they can’t it’s that they prefer the alternatives.

    In all the Guardian just catalogues a list of painful intractable problems and lowering of quality of life that could all have been avoided if Britain had implemented along with almost all the rest of the existing EU, the blocking of the right to move and work for the Eastern European states for 5 years or if they had never joined the EU at all. Ditto if immigration from Pakistan was never allowed.

    But when ‘White British’ people did something to solve these problems, voting for Brexit they get endless hate and when they notice the problems of immigrant groups they are despised. But when the Pakistanis literally attacked Roma in the street, it’s something to be calmly understood.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Altai

    "toil in the sort of unskilled, low-paid jobs many Britons snub"

    Like snatching money from elderly ladies at supermarket cashpoints.

    , @Clyde
    @Altai

    Famous British guitarist Albert Lee is part Roma. "but grew up in Blackheath, London, a member of a Romani family."

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Altai

    Great example, but I don't like using the Establishment's eupemisms, Altai. I don't expect you felt like doing ctrl-R, replace "Roma" with "Gypsie" for your excerpt, but I'd use that standard term a least for my own writing.

    Additionally, it's not just a euphemeism to hide the connotations of "Gypsie", with people figuring it out soon enough requiring another term to come in 10 years. "Roma" is just purposefully confusing.

    As an actual Italian might say: "When in Roma, do as-a the Romanos do-a."

    .
    https://www.peakstupidity.com/images/The_Romanos.jpg

    , @MEH 0910
    @Altai

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/coalition-of-the-fringes-news-rotherham-pakistanis-denounce-new-immigrant-gypsies/
    https://twitter.com/Steve_Sailer/status/1059245026318798848

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @George

    , @LP5
    @Altai

    Altai writes:


    In all the Guardian just catalogues a list of painful intractable problems and lowering of quality of life
     
    Many Brits would argue that that was the whole point of the official policies.
    , @bomag
    @Altai

    Some gems in there:


    ... parents had been trying to scale the fence to reach the school.
     
    Prison ethos more and more in our future.

    They are stuck. They can’t leave the area. It’s a nightmare...
     
    So that's how the story ends: migrants can no longer move; have to live in their own filth.
    , @Rob McX
    @Altai

    Let them at it, is all I can say. I'm sure one reason the Gypsies ended up there is that the Pakistani landlords were happy to rent their bottom-level properties to them. As long as these landlords live in another part of town, they don't give a damn about dumping the obnoxious Gypsies on their fellow Pakistanis. That's what you get when you have loyalty that extends only to your immediate kin.

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @Altai

    Whites are under foreign occupation govt, but they've yet to fully comprehend that.

    If there's any good news, it's that some are finally starting to realize their rulers are ethnically dissimilar to them.

  7. As Big Tech grapples with caste-based discrimination, Apple explicitly bans it

    Workers allege that casteism influences how companies hire and promote talent.

    https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/08/indian-workers-allege-casteism-in-big-tech-question-discrimination-policies/

  8. @Diversity Heretic
    Admitting violent, low-IQ, unassimilable foreigners is a feature, not a bug, of the present immigration system.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Hypnotoad666, @Dream

    Admitting violent, low-IQ, unassimilable foreigners is a feature, not a bug, of the present immigration system.

    Indeed. If you are one of The Best Of Us, i.e. a fully Woke Substitute Savior, it’s just so much more glorious to ‘save’ a sexy, glamorous trangressor. What fun do quiet, law-abiding immigrants (or citizens, for that matter) provide?

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
  9. They had fled war-torn Afghanistan and resettled as refugees into a small duplex near the airport in Albuquerque…….

    It was there that Mr. Syed me a young, amiable, charismatic, rough-hewn, scruffy but seemingly intelligent youth named Jesse Pinkman……….

    • Replies: @ForeverCARealist
    @Daniel H

    I've never been to Albuquerque, but my son was just there. He said it was like a poorer version of Phoenix.

    Gallup, NM, is a big ghetto, and the small towns in the Navajo section look awful. A friend who worked in Los Alamos said it was UMC, but that might be the only part of that state with any $.

    If people want to save the least among us, they should focus on getting the natives of NM off welfare and out of squalor.

    Replies: @Daniel H, @prosa123, @AnotherDad

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Daniel H


    It was there that Mr. Syed me a young, amiable, charismatic, rough-hewn, scruffy but seemingly intelligent youth named Jesse Pinkman……….
     
    Breaking Badmash
    , @ADL Pyramid of Hate
    @Daniel H

    I’m excited for the reboot of Breaking Bad, when it comes time for its turn to substitute for an original idea, to feature Sunnis instead of Anglos and Shi’ites instead of Mexicans.

  10. Anonymous[209] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bill Jones
    Are we surprised?
    Of course not.
    Will it change anything?
    Of course not.



    Here, I hate to do this but have some good news for a change.


    London Sex Change Clinic For Kids Shut Down And Sued By 1000 Families
     
    https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/tavistock-london-sex-change-clinic-kids-shut-down-and-sued-1000-families


    Perhaps we've reached the apogee of this particular perversion.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Almost Missouri, @Anonymous, @Rob McX

    London Sex Change Clinic For Kids Shut Down And Sued By 1000 Families

    On the one hand, hoorah. On the other hand, they are suing the NHS which means that Joe Taxpayer will end up footing the bill.

    Whether individuals from that benighted clinic will ever be held responsible is another matter entirely.

    • Agree: Gordo, Occasional lurker
    • Replies: @LP5
    @Anonymous

    About that NHS sex change clinic:


    On the other hand, they are suing the NHS which means that Joe Taxpayer will end up footing the bill.
     
    What with all that imported vibrancy, or something, new Councils could have appropriate punishments meted out in the town square. You know, like hanging, amputation or, use your imagination here.

    Replies: @Escher

  11. Although, I’d say that Judaism shares many traits with Islam, psychologically.

  12. @Anonymous

    But only other immigrants are allowed to complain about immigrants.
     
    Just like we are only allowed to lament Black-on-Black crime, but not complain about Black-on-white crime.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    No, we have to pretend that all crime against blacks is committed by whites

  13. @Altai

    But only other immigrants are allowed to complain about immigrants.
     
    Still the best is the time high profile British politician David Blunkett articulated complaints about Roma by Pakistanis in his constituency that if made by English, sorry, White British, people would have caused the media to eviscerate him.

    David Blunkett riot fear over Roma migrant tensions

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-24909979

    ‘A time bomb’: how social tensions are rising in a corner of northern England

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/03/roma-tire-shouldering-blame-boiling-pot-communities

    The Roma are only present because the neocons in Washington actively encouraged the expansion of the EU into the former Warsaw pact (We have seen how well that project as gone at it's apex) despite those places having nothing to offer Western Europe and expanding it's borders into them encouraging more migrants to try reaching Western Europe through them. When Romania and Bulgaria had it's citizens gain the right to move and work in any other EU country it led to a flood of Roma. Interestingly in Page Hall, where all this is happening, the Roma are from Slovakia so must have been more established since Slovakia got right to work and live in 2004.

    The Roma, of course, like other vagrant clannish peoples are highly antisocial towards outgroups, acting like parasites and tend to produce intense hatred. Albeit this could be said to a lesser extent about the Pakistanis but the types of people who might observe this are the wrong ethnicity so the open ethnic hatred of Pakistanis against Roma must be understood and heard. That the Pakistanis and Roma get into so much trouble with each precisely because the Pakistanis are too much like the Roma compared to other large groups is left unmentioned. In a way the Guardian piece is as much cathartic chance to express cryptic English resentful observations on them as anything else. Incidentally, no mention will be made about how Brexit removes more such people coming going forward. Mention is made about how Brexit will make things worse by removing EU funding for 'integration' of Roma, but if the authoritarian regimes of the communist Balkans failed I doubt 'integration programmes' (Themselves an admission that Roma are a problem) will help. The removal of any more Roma immigration is obviously much more beneficial.


    It was an unusually heavy response to a fight in a school canteen: a police helicopter, police dog and 15 police vehicles all rushed to Fir Vale Academy in Page Hall, Sheffield, one Tuesday in late September.

    The drama, inevitably, was caught on camera. The screaming in the dinner hall, children climbing on tables to escape. Outside, a teenage girl in handcuffs, face-down on a police car; the man in a tracksuit being mauled by a police dog. A pupil had texted false talk of a knife fight, and parents had been trying to scale the fence to reach the school.

    ...

    Five years ago, David Blunkett, serving his final years as an MP, warned that Page Hall, a multicultural district of Sheffield which had become one of the city’s most deprived areas after the decline of the steel industry, was a “boiling pot” waiting to spill over. Describing tensions between the more established Pakistani community and an influx of Slovakian Roma people, whom he said needed to make more of an effort to fit in, he told BBC Radio Sheffield: “We have to change the behaviour and the culture of the incoming community, the Roma community, because there’s going to be an explosion otherwise. We all know that.” Blunkett feared a repeat of violence that erupted between Asian and white youths in Bradford and other cities in 2001.

    Though they wouldn’t say so publicly, officials from communities all over the country with a sudden high concentration of Roma residents recognised the tensions Blunkett described. In Rotherham, Doncaster, Derby, Peterborough, Glasgow and Luton, the local authorities continue to grapple with the challenges brought by their new Roma residents since EU expansion into eastern Europe in the 2000s. Many fear that Brexit will result in the loss of funding from the EU through the European Social Fund, undoing any progress that has been made.


    The last, most scientific, attempt at estimating the UK’s Roma population, by Salford University in 2013, put it at just under 200,000. That has almost certainly ballooned. As EU citizens, mostly from Slovakia, the Czech Republic, Poland, Hungary and Romania, Roma do not have to register on arrival. So local authorities tried to make their own estimates based on school admissions and GP registrations – neither terribly reliable considering the Roma mistrust of authority, stemming from deep-rooted discrimination in their home countries.

    Like many new arrivals, the Roma have tended to stick together. They rent poor-quality private accommodation in the cheapest areas and toil in the sort of unskilled, low-paid jobs many Britons snub. Big families cram into two-bed terraced houses.

    In many rapidly changing neighbourhoods, tensions over noise, antisocial behaviour and litter quickly surfaced with the more established residents. Usually of immigrant background themselves, many of them had worked in the same minimum-wage jobs on arrival as the Roma but had managed to buy their properties. The flow of Roma has slowed since the Brexit vote brought an increase in hate crime, but in a letter to parents after the canteen fight at Fir Vale, the soon-to-be-ousted headteacher said 24 new pupils had started in the week after the incident.

    Six miles north-east of Page Hall is Eastwood, a suburb of Rotherham. Ever since she was elected to represent the town in 2012, Sarah Champion MP has been receiving complaints about litter, fly-tipping and antisocial behaviour, blamed on Roma arrivals. For a long time, the complaints came from white British and British Pakistani people who had bought their homes before EU enlargement, said the Labour MP. “There are people who put all their savings into their homes and find how they are worth less than they paid for them. They are stuck. They can’t leave the area. It’s a nightmare,” she said. A two-bed terrace on Milton Road, one of the most fly-tipped streets, sold in 2015 for £38,000. Four years previously it had been bought for £59,950.

    Most recently, postal workers said they were so frightened delivering in Eastwood after being mugged for their parcels that they no longer went out alone. “They are terrified because of the level of intimidation,’” said Champion. She went out on a round with two postal workers: “If I wasn’t with two post people, I would have been running away. I was really shocked how bad it was.”

    But as their English improves, the Roma want to defend themselves. Recently, Champion went to a meeting of about 40 Eastwood Roma residents, who said they felt intimidated and victimised in their own homes, let alone the streets. “They talked of bullying and degradation, and they were saying that it was the Pakistanis who were doing it,” said the MP. She said the “disreputable” landlords renting to Roma were almost exclusively Pakistanis, happy to take high rents for substandard properties, secure that the Roma would not complain.

     

    The Guardian still can't help itself, failing to define numbers (There are few professions majority immigrant) about jobs 'Britons snub'. The Roma are hated because they don't like work but like Mafia types liking spivery. It's not that they can't it's that they prefer the alternatives.

    In all the Guardian just catalogues a list of painful intractable problems and lowering of quality of life that could all have been avoided if Britain had implemented along with almost all the rest of the existing EU, the blocking of the right to move and work for the Eastern European states for 5 years or if they had never joined the EU at all. Ditto if immigration from Pakistan was never allowed.

    But when 'White British' people did something to solve these problems, voting for Brexit they get endless hate and when they notice the problems of immigrant groups they are despised. But when the Pakistanis literally attacked Roma in the street, it's something to be calmly understood.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Clyde, @Achmed E. Newman, @MEH 0910, @LP5, @bomag, @Rob McX, @JohnnyWalker123

    “toil in the sort of unskilled, low-paid jobs many Britons snub”

    Like snatching money from elderly ladies at supermarket cashpoints.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
  14. @Diversity Heretic
    Admitting violent, low-IQ, unassimilable foreigners is a feature, not a bug, of the present immigration system.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Hypnotoad666, @Dream

    There is no upside to importing these people. But if they just kill each other the same as they would in their home country, is that a big detriment to native born Americans? (If they start killing us that’s a different matter, of course).

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    @Hypnotoad666

    But they're us now, no matter how much they aren't.

    , @AndrewR
    @Hypnotoad666

    I think the Shia tend to be much higher quality than Sunnis. Not coincidentally they also tend to be whiter than Sunnis.

    Replies: @Muggles, @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr., @anon

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @Hypnotoad666

    It's a big detriment to us because there are all sorts of collateral damages and expenses associated with them killing each other: injury to innocent bystanders, police work, medical expenses, incarceration, necessity for press and politicians to keep lying about it, degradation of civilization, etc.

    , @Diversity Heretic
    @Hypnotoad666

    There's a line in a French movie starring Louis de Funès, The Mad Adventures of Rabbi Jacob. In speaking about foreigners, the protagonist says; "I don't mind if they kill each other. That way there are fewer of them. But they should do so in their own country." That about sums it up. When they kill each other here, it's expensive and troublesome and, as Steve's original post shows, oftentimes whites end up somehow getting the blame.

  15. @Altai

    But only other immigrants are allowed to complain about immigrants.
     
    Still the best is the time high profile British politician David Blunkett articulated complaints about Roma by Pakistanis in his constituency that if made by English, sorry, White British, people would have caused the media to eviscerate him.

    David Blunkett riot fear over Roma migrant tensions

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-24909979

    ‘A time bomb’: how social tensions are rising in a corner of northern England

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/03/roma-tire-shouldering-blame-boiling-pot-communities

    The Roma are only present because the neocons in Washington actively encouraged the expansion of the EU into the former Warsaw pact (We have seen how well that project as gone at it's apex) despite those places having nothing to offer Western Europe and expanding it's borders into them encouraging more migrants to try reaching Western Europe through them. When Romania and Bulgaria had it's citizens gain the right to move and work in any other EU country it led to a flood of Roma. Interestingly in Page Hall, where all this is happening, the Roma are from Slovakia so must have been more established since Slovakia got right to work and live in 2004.

    The Roma, of course, like other vagrant clannish peoples are highly antisocial towards outgroups, acting like parasites and tend to produce intense hatred. Albeit this could be said to a lesser extent about the Pakistanis but the types of people who might observe this are the wrong ethnicity so the open ethnic hatred of Pakistanis against Roma must be understood and heard. That the Pakistanis and Roma get into so much trouble with each precisely because the Pakistanis are too much like the Roma compared to other large groups is left unmentioned. In a way the Guardian piece is as much cathartic chance to express cryptic English resentful observations on them as anything else. Incidentally, no mention will be made about how Brexit removes more such people coming going forward. Mention is made about how Brexit will make things worse by removing EU funding for 'integration' of Roma, but if the authoritarian regimes of the communist Balkans failed I doubt 'integration programmes' (Themselves an admission that Roma are a problem) will help. The removal of any more Roma immigration is obviously much more beneficial.


    It was an unusually heavy response to a fight in a school canteen: a police helicopter, police dog and 15 police vehicles all rushed to Fir Vale Academy in Page Hall, Sheffield, one Tuesday in late September.

    The drama, inevitably, was caught on camera. The screaming in the dinner hall, children climbing on tables to escape. Outside, a teenage girl in handcuffs, face-down on a police car; the man in a tracksuit being mauled by a police dog. A pupil had texted false talk of a knife fight, and parents had been trying to scale the fence to reach the school.

    ...

    Five years ago, David Blunkett, serving his final years as an MP, warned that Page Hall, a multicultural district of Sheffield which had become one of the city’s most deprived areas after the decline of the steel industry, was a “boiling pot” waiting to spill over. Describing tensions between the more established Pakistani community and an influx of Slovakian Roma people, whom he said needed to make more of an effort to fit in, he told BBC Radio Sheffield: “We have to change the behaviour and the culture of the incoming community, the Roma community, because there’s going to be an explosion otherwise. We all know that.” Blunkett feared a repeat of violence that erupted between Asian and white youths in Bradford and other cities in 2001.

    Though they wouldn’t say so publicly, officials from communities all over the country with a sudden high concentration of Roma residents recognised the tensions Blunkett described. In Rotherham, Doncaster, Derby, Peterborough, Glasgow and Luton, the local authorities continue to grapple with the challenges brought by their new Roma residents since EU expansion into eastern Europe in the 2000s. Many fear that Brexit will result in the loss of funding from the EU through the European Social Fund, undoing any progress that has been made.


    The last, most scientific, attempt at estimating the UK’s Roma population, by Salford University in 2013, put it at just under 200,000. That has almost certainly ballooned. As EU citizens, mostly from Slovakia, the Czech Republic, Poland, Hungary and Romania, Roma do not have to register on arrival. So local authorities tried to make their own estimates based on school admissions and GP registrations – neither terribly reliable considering the Roma mistrust of authority, stemming from deep-rooted discrimination in their home countries.

    Like many new arrivals, the Roma have tended to stick together. They rent poor-quality private accommodation in the cheapest areas and toil in the sort of unskilled, low-paid jobs many Britons snub. Big families cram into two-bed terraced houses.

    In many rapidly changing neighbourhoods, tensions over noise, antisocial behaviour and litter quickly surfaced with the more established residents. Usually of immigrant background themselves, many of them had worked in the same minimum-wage jobs on arrival as the Roma but had managed to buy their properties. The flow of Roma has slowed since the Brexit vote brought an increase in hate crime, but in a letter to parents after the canteen fight at Fir Vale, the soon-to-be-ousted headteacher said 24 new pupils had started in the week after the incident.

    Six miles north-east of Page Hall is Eastwood, a suburb of Rotherham. Ever since she was elected to represent the town in 2012, Sarah Champion MP has been receiving complaints about litter, fly-tipping and antisocial behaviour, blamed on Roma arrivals. For a long time, the complaints came from white British and British Pakistani people who had bought their homes before EU enlargement, said the Labour MP. “There are people who put all their savings into their homes and find how they are worth less than they paid for them. They are stuck. They can’t leave the area. It’s a nightmare,” she said. A two-bed terrace on Milton Road, one of the most fly-tipped streets, sold in 2015 for £38,000. Four years previously it had been bought for £59,950.

    Most recently, postal workers said they were so frightened delivering in Eastwood after being mugged for their parcels that they no longer went out alone. “They are terrified because of the level of intimidation,’” said Champion. She went out on a round with two postal workers: “If I wasn’t with two post people, I would have been running away. I was really shocked how bad it was.”

    But as their English improves, the Roma want to defend themselves. Recently, Champion went to a meeting of about 40 Eastwood Roma residents, who said they felt intimidated and victimised in their own homes, let alone the streets. “They talked of bullying and degradation, and they were saying that it was the Pakistanis who were doing it,” said the MP. She said the “disreputable” landlords renting to Roma were almost exclusively Pakistanis, happy to take high rents for substandard properties, secure that the Roma would not complain.

     

    The Guardian still can't help itself, failing to define numbers (There are few professions majority immigrant) about jobs 'Britons snub'. The Roma are hated because they don't like work but like Mafia types liking spivery. It's not that they can't it's that they prefer the alternatives.

    In all the Guardian just catalogues a list of painful intractable problems and lowering of quality of life that could all have been avoided if Britain had implemented along with almost all the rest of the existing EU, the blocking of the right to move and work for the Eastern European states for 5 years or if they had never joined the EU at all. Ditto if immigration from Pakistan was never allowed.

    But when 'White British' people did something to solve these problems, voting for Brexit they get endless hate and when they notice the problems of immigrant groups they are despised. But when the Pakistanis literally attacked Roma in the street, it's something to be calmly understood.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Clyde, @Achmed E. Newman, @MEH 0910, @LP5, @bomag, @Rob McX, @JohnnyWalker123

    Famous British guitarist Albert Lee is part Roma. “but grew up in Blackheath, London, a member of a Romani family.”

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Clyde

    Roma have been around in the UK for centuries, and we'd pretty much worked out a modus vivendi with our lot. They hadn't exactly assimilated - the men dealt in scrap and horses, the women sold clothespegs and 'lucky heather' door to door, and both sexes worked in the fields in summer (I've picked fruit with them), but you could actually live near a gypsy site (as I did) and not have to check your outbuildings every night.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Romany_Rye


    The story itself follows the journey of a learned young man living with Romanies. It is a philosophical adventure story of sorts. The book involves meetings with a number of eccentric characters. It also contains what could be called ethnographic material on the customs and views of the Romani women. The author obtains a valuable horse from his Romani friend Jasper Petulengro and eventually sells it to a Hungarian at the Horncastle horse fair.
     
    Not so when the unreconstructed Eastern European Roma came - or the Irish Travellers.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGXR0NzN3Hw

    Replies: @Rob McX

  16. @Hypnotoad666
    @Diversity Heretic

    There is no upside to importing these people. But if they just kill each other the same as they would in their home country, is that a big detriment to native born Americans? (If they start killing us that's a different matter, of course).

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @AndrewR, @Harry Baldwin, @Diversity Heretic

    But they’re us now, no matter how much they aren’t.

  17. The United States has found a new “source of strength” to continue the war in Ukraine: The Foreign Ministry reported on former Afghan special forces fighting on the side of the AFU, It seems that Ukrainians are already ending for the war in Ukraine, and it will take a long time to fight, before the fall of the totalitarian Putin regime with all evidence and the seventh package of sanctions is still far away, but a way out has been found:

    The Foreign Ministry announced the sending of former Afghan special forces by the United States to help the Armed Forces

    The Special Representative of the President of the Russian Federation for Afghanistan, Director of the second Asia Department of the Russian Foreign Ministry Zamir Kabulov, in an interview with RIA Novosti, said that a number of former Afghan special forces are currently fighting on the side of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU).

    According to him, in the spring, Washington assured Kiev that it would send former soldiers of the Afghan national army to help him, who were forced to flee from the previous regime, but have not yet received permission to enter the United States.

    He clarified that about 110 thousand Afghans are in this situation, whom the American authorities have promised to take out of the country.

    Apparently, no one is going to give them any permission — this is an absolutely boorish manner of the Americans

  18. The brothers had made Albuquerque their home after trying out Philadelphia and Tucson, Ariz. New Mexico’s largest city, with its dry climate, monsoon rains and large Hispanic population, “looks like Kabul,” Mr. Hadi said. “The people look like Afghan people. I knew this was a place we could feel at home

    Lmao he should be deported for this quote alone

    • Agree: AceDeuce
  19. @Altai

    But only other immigrants are allowed to complain about immigrants.
     
    Still the best is the time high profile British politician David Blunkett articulated complaints about Roma by Pakistanis in his constituency that if made by English, sorry, White British, people would have caused the media to eviscerate him.

    David Blunkett riot fear over Roma migrant tensions

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-24909979

    ‘A time bomb’: how social tensions are rising in a corner of northern England

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/03/roma-tire-shouldering-blame-boiling-pot-communities

    The Roma are only present because the neocons in Washington actively encouraged the expansion of the EU into the former Warsaw pact (We have seen how well that project as gone at it's apex) despite those places having nothing to offer Western Europe and expanding it's borders into them encouraging more migrants to try reaching Western Europe through them. When Romania and Bulgaria had it's citizens gain the right to move and work in any other EU country it led to a flood of Roma. Interestingly in Page Hall, where all this is happening, the Roma are from Slovakia so must have been more established since Slovakia got right to work and live in 2004.

    The Roma, of course, like other vagrant clannish peoples are highly antisocial towards outgroups, acting like parasites and tend to produce intense hatred. Albeit this could be said to a lesser extent about the Pakistanis but the types of people who might observe this are the wrong ethnicity so the open ethnic hatred of Pakistanis against Roma must be understood and heard. That the Pakistanis and Roma get into so much trouble with each precisely because the Pakistanis are too much like the Roma compared to other large groups is left unmentioned. In a way the Guardian piece is as much cathartic chance to express cryptic English resentful observations on them as anything else. Incidentally, no mention will be made about how Brexit removes more such people coming going forward. Mention is made about how Brexit will make things worse by removing EU funding for 'integration' of Roma, but if the authoritarian regimes of the communist Balkans failed I doubt 'integration programmes' (Themselves an admission that Roma are a problem) will help. The removal of any more Roma immigration is obviously much more beneficial.


    It was an unusually heavy response to a fight in a school canteen: a police helicopter, police dog and 15 police vehicles all rushed to Fir Vale Academy in Page Hall, Sheffield, one Tuesday in late September.

    The drama, inevitably, was caught on camera. The screaming in the dinner hall, children climbing on tables to escape. Outside, a teenage girl in handcuffs, face-down on a police car; the man in a tracksuit being mauled by a police dog. A pupil had texted false talk of a knife fight, and parents had been trying to scale the fence to reach the school.

    ...

    Five years ago, David Blunkett, serving his final years as an MP, warned that Page Hall, a multicultural district of Sheffield which had become one of the city’s most deprived areas after the decline of the steel industry, was a “boiling pot” waiting to spill over. Describing tensions between the more established Pakistani community and an influx of Slovakian Roma people, whom he said needed to make more of an effort to fit in, he told BBC Radio Sheffield: “We have to change the behaviour and the culture of the incoming community, the Roma community, because there’s going to be an explosion otherwise. We all know that.” Blunkett feared a repeat of violence that erupted between Asian and white youths in Bradford and other cities in 2001.

    Though they wouldn’t say so publicly, officials from communities all over the country with a sudden high concentration of Roma residents recognised the tensions Blunkett described. In Rotherham, Doncaster, Derby, Peterborough, Glasgow and Luton, the local authorities continue to grapple with the challenges brought by their new Roma residents since EU expansion into eastern Europe in the 2000s. Many fear that Brexit will result in the loss of funding from the EU through the European Social Fund, undoing any progress that has been made.


    The last, most scientific, attempt at estimating the UK’s Roma population, by Salford University in 2013, put it at just under 200,000. That has almost certainly ballooned. As EU citizens, mostly from Slovakia, the Czech Republic, Poland, Hungary and Romania, Roma do not have to register on arrival. So local authorities tried to make their own estimates based on school admissions and GP registrations – neither terribly reliable considering the Roma mistrust of authority, stemming from deep-rooted discrimination in their home countries.

    Like many new arrivals, the Roma have tended to stick together. They rent poor-quality private accommodation in the cheapest areas and toil in the sort of unskilled, low-paid jobs many Britons snub. Big families cram into two-bed terraced houses.

    In many rapidly changing neighbourhoods, tensions over noise, antisocial behaviour and litter quickly surfaced with the more established residents. Usually of immigrant background themselves, many of them had worked in the same minimum-wage jobs on arrival as the Roma but had managed to buy their properties. The flow of Roma has slowed since the Brexit vote brought an increase in hate crime, but in a letter to parents after the canteen fight at Fir Vale, the soon-to-be-ousted headteacher said 24 new pupils had started in the week after the incident.

    Six miles north-east of Page Hall is Eastwood, a suburb of Rotherham. Ever since she was elected to represent the town in 2012, Sarah Champion MP has been receiving complaints about litter, fly-tipping and antisocial behaviour, blamed on Roma arrivals. For a long time, the complaints came from white British and British Pakistani people who had bought their homes before EU enlargement, said the Labour MP. “There are people who put all their savings into their homes and find how they are worth less than they paid for them. They are stuck. They can’t leave the area. It’s a nightmare,” she said. A two-bed terrace on Milton Road, one of the most fly-tipped streets, sold in 2015 for £38,000. Four years previously it had been bought for £59,950.

    Most recently, postal workers said they were so frightened delivering in Eastwood after being mugged for their parcels that they no longer went out alone. “They are terrified because of the level of intimidation,’” said Champion. She went out on a round with two postal workers: “If I wasn’t with two post people, I would have been running away. I was really shocked how bad it was.”

    But as their English improves, the Roma want to defend themselves. Recently, Champion went to a meeting of about 40 Eastwood Roma residents, who said they felt intimidated and victimised in their own homes, let alone the streets. “They talked of bullying and degradation, and they were saying that it was the Pakistanis who were doing it,” said the MP. She said the “disreputable” landlords renting to Roma were almost exclusively Pakistanis, happy to take high rents for substandard properties, secure that the Roma would not complain.

     

    The Guardian still can't help itself, failing to define numbers (There are few professions majority immigrant) about jobs 'Britons snub'. The Roma are hated because they don't like work but like Mafia types liking spivery. It's not that they can't it's that they prefer the alternatives.

    In all the Guardian just catalogues a list of painful intractable problems and lowering of quality of life that could all have been avoided if Britain had implemented along with almost all the rest of the existing EU, the blocking of the right to move and work for the Eastern European states for 5 years or if they had never joined the EU at all. Ditto if immigration from Pakistan was never allowed.

    But when 'White British' people did something to solve these problems, voting for Brexit they get endless hate and when they notice the problems of immigrant groups they are despised. But when the Pakistanis literally attacked Roma in the street, it's something to be calmly understood.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Clyde, @Achmed E. Newman, @MEH 0910, @LP5, @bomag, @Rob McX, @JohnnyWalker123

    Great example, but I don’t like using the Establishment’s eupemisms, Altai. I don’t expect you felt like doing ctrl-R, replace “Roma” with “Gypsie” for your excerpt, but I’d use that standard term a least for my own writing.

    Additionally, it’s not just a euphemeism to hide the connotations of “Gypsie”, with people figuring it out soon enough requiring another term to come in 10 years. “Roma” is just purposefully confusing.

    As an actual Italian might say: “When in Roma, do as-a the Romanos do-a.”

    .

  20. @Altai

    But only other immigrants are allowed to complain about immigrants.
     
    Still the best is the time high profile British politician David Blunkett articulated complaints about Roma by Pakistanis in his constituency that if made by English, sorry, White British, people would have caused the media to eviscerate him.

    David Blunkett riot fear over Roma migrant tensions

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-24909979

    ‘A time bomb’: how social tensions are rising in a corner of northern England

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/03/roma-tire-shouldering-blame-boiling-pot-communities

    The Roma are only present because the neocons in Washington actively encouraged the expansion of the EU into the former Warsaw pact (We have seen how well that project as gone at it's apex) despite those places having nothing to offer Western Europe and expanding it's borders into them encouraging more migrants to try reaching Western Europe through them. When Romania and Bulgaria had it's citizens gain the right to move and work in any other EU country it led to a flood of Roma. Interestingly in Page Hall, where all this is happening, the Roma are from Slovakia so must have been more established since Slovakia got right to work and live in 2004.

    The Roma, of course, like other vagrant clannish peoples are highly antisocial towards outgroups, acting like parasites and tend to produce intense hatred. Albeit this could be said to a lesser extent about the Pakistanis but the types of people who might observe this are the wrong ethnicity so the open ethnic hatred of Pakistanis against Roma must be understood and heard. That the Pakistanis and Roma get into so much trouble with each precisely because the Pakistanis are too much like the Roma compared to other large groups is left unmentioned. In a way the Guardian piece is as much cathartic chance to express cryptic English resentful observations on them as anything else. Incidentally, no mention will be made about how Brexit removes more such people coming going forward. Mention is made about how Brexit will make things worse by removing EU funding for 'integration' of Roma, but if the authoritarian regimes of the communist Balkans failed I doubt 'integration programmes' (Themselves an admission that Roma are a problem) will help. The removal of any more Roma immigration is obviously much more beneficial.


    It was an unusually heavy response to a fight in a school canteen: a police helicopter, police dog and 15 police vehicles all rushed to Fir Vale Academy in Page Hall, Sheffield, one Tuesday in late September.

    The drama, inevitably, was caught on camera. The screaming in the dinner hall, children climbing on tables to escape. Outside, a teenage girl in handcuffs, face-down on a police car; the man in a tracksuit being mauled by a police dog. A pupil had texted false talk of a knife fight, and parents had been trying to scale the fence to reach the school.

    ...

    Five years ago, David Blunkett, serving his final years as an MP, warned that Page Hall, a multicultural district of Sheffield which had become one of the city’s most deprived areas after the decline of the steel industry, was a “boiling pot” waiting to spill over. Describing tensions between the more established Pakistani community and an influx of Slovakian Roma people, whom he said needed to make more of an effort to fit in, he told BBC Radio Sheffield: “We have to change the behaviour and the culture of the incoming community, the Roma community, because there’s going to be an explosion otherwise. We all know that.” Blunkett feared a repeat of violence that erupted between Asian and white youths in Bradford and other cities in 2001.

    Though they wouldn’t say so publicly, officials from communities all over the country with a sudden high concentration of Roma residents recognised the tensions Blunkett described. In Rotherham, Doncaster, Derby, Peterborough, Glasgow and Luton, the local authorities continue to grapple with the challenges brought by their new Roma residents since EU expansion into eastern Europe in the 2000s. Many fear that Brexit will result in the loss of funding from the EU through the European Social Fund, undoing any progress that has been made.


    The last, most scientific, attempt at estimating the UK’s Roma population, by Salford University in 2013, put it at just under 200,000. That has almost certainly ballooned. As EU citizens, mostly from Slovakia, the Czech Republic, Poland, Hungary and Romania, Roma do not have to register on arrival. So local authorities tried to make their own estimates based on school admissions and GP registrations – neither terribly reliable considering the Roma mistrust of authority, stemming from deep-rooted discrimination in their home countries.

    Like many new arrivals, the Roma have tended to stick together. They rent poor-quality private accommodation in the cheapest areas and toil in the sort of unskilled, low-paid jobs many Britons snub. Big families cram into two-bed terraced houses.

    In many rapidly changing neighbourhoods, tensions over noise, antisocial behaviour and litter quickly surfaced with the more established residents. Usually of immigrant background themselves, many of them had worked in the same minimum-wage jobs on arrival as the Roma but had managed to buy their properties. The flow of Roma has slowed since the Brexit vote brought an increase in hate crime, but in a letter to parents after the canteen fight at Fir Vale, the soon-to-be-ousted headteacher said 24 new pupils had started in the week after the incident.

    Six miles north-east of Page Hall is Eastwood, a suburb of Rotherham. Ever since she was elected to represent the town in 2012, Sarah Champion MP has been receiving complaints about litter, fly-tipping and antisocial behaviour, blamed on Roma arrivals. For a long time, the complaints came from white British and British Pakistani people who had bought their homes before EU enlargement, said the Labour MP. “There are people who put all their savings into their homes and find how they are worth less than they paid for them. They are stuck. They can’t leave the area. It’s a nightmare,” she said. A two-bed terrace on Milton Road, one of the most fly-tipped streets, sold in 2015 for £38,000. Four years previously it had been bought for £59,950.

    Most recently, postal workers said they were so frightened delivering in Eastwood after being mugged for their parcels that they no longer went out alone. “They are terrified because of the level of intimidation,’” said Champion. She went out on a round with two postal workers: “If I wasn’t with two post people, I would have been running away. I was really shocked how bad it was.”

    But as their English improves, the Roma want to defend themselves. Recently, Champion went to a meeting of about 40 Eastwood Roma residents, who said they felt intimidated and victimised in their own homes, let alone the streets. “They talked of bullying and degradation, and they were saying that it was the Pakistanis who were doing it,” said the MP. She said the “disreputable” landlords renting to Roma were almost exclusively Pakistanis, happy to take high rents for substandard properties, secure that the Roma would not complain.

     

    The Guardian still can't help itself, failing to define numbers (There are few professions majority immigrant) about jobs 'Britons snub'. The Roma are hated because they don't like work but like Mafia types liking spivery. It's not that they can't it's that they prefer the alternatives.

    In all the Guardian just catalogues a list of painful intractable problems and lowering of quality of life that could all have been avoided if Britain had implemented along with almost all the rest of the existing EU, the blocking of the right to move and work for the Eastern European states for 5 years or if they had never joined the EU at all. Ditto if immigration from Pakistan was never allowed.

    But when 'White British' people did something to solve these problems, voting for Brexit they get endless hate and when they notice the problems of immigrant groups they are despised. But when the Pakistanis literally attacked Roma in the street, it's something to be calmly understood.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Clyde, @Achmed E. Newman, @MEH 0910, @LP5, @bomag, @Rob McX, @JohnnyWalker123

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/coalition-of-the-fringes-news-rotherham-pakistanis-denounce-new-immigrant-gypsies/

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @MEH 0910

    I know that Steve likes to attribute "Diversity is our strength" to Dan Quayle to trigger liberals' Pavlovian anything-Quayle-said-is-stupid response, but among ourselves, shouldn't we acknowledge that this inane yet deadly formulation was probably cooked up by Bill Kristol, AKA, "Dan Quayle's brain"?

    , @George
    @MEH 0910

    A search on Fir Vale news was enlightening.

  21. @MEH 0910
    @Altai

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/coalition-of-the-fringes-news-rotherham-pakistanis-denounce-new-immigrant-gypsies/
    https://twitter.com/Steve_Sailer/status/1059245026318798848

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @George

    I know that Steve likes to attribute “Diversity is our strength” to Dan Quayle to trigger liberals’ Pavlovian anything-Quayle-said-is-stupid response, but among ourselves, shouldn’t we acknowledge that this inane yet deadly formulation was probably cooked up by Bill Kristol, AKA, “Dan Quayle’s brain“?

  22. The new Operation Paperclip.

    Afghans are being brought to the US by the thousands because they know too much about what the US did in Afghanistan. They could provide the Russians, Chinese and Iranians with insider information on US intelligence gathering and tactical doctrine, as well as war crimes.

    Then there’s this: former Afghan soldiers working in Ukraine, to secure residence for their families in the US

    https://topwar.ru/200350-chinovnik-mid-rf-ssha-ispolzujut-byvshih-afganskih-voennyh-v-svoih-interesah-na-ukraine.html

    The war on terror in Afghanistan: the gift that keeps giving.

    • Replies: @LP5
    @beavertales

    Beavertale writes:


    Afghans are being brought to the US by the thousands because they know too much about what the US did in Afghanistan.
     
    Just imagine how much those thousands of abandoned US personnel must know to have warranted the abandonment by that abandoning Biden administration.
  23. @Bill Jones
    Are we surprised?
    Of course not.
    Will it change anything?
    Of course not.



    Here, I hate to do this but have some good news for a change.


    London Sex Change Clinic For Kids Shut Down And Sued By 1000 Families
     
    https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/tavistock-london-sex-change-clinic-kids-shut-down-and-sued-1000-families


    Perhaps we've reached the apogee of this particular perversion.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Almost Missouri, @Anonymous, @Rob McX

    Steve covered this—or rather covered the coverage of this, as is his wont—a few weeks ago:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/how-the-daily-mail-and-the-new-york-times-cover-a-big-defeat-for-transmania/#comment-5466810

  24. @Clyde
    @Altai

    Famous British guitarist Albert Lee is part Roma. "but grew up in Blackheath, London, a member of a Romani family."

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    Roma have been around in the UK for centuries, and we’d pretty much worked out a modus vivendi with our lot. They hadn’t exactly assimilated – the men dealt in scrap and horses, the women sold clothespegs and ‘lucky heather’ door to door, and both sexes worked in the fields in summer (I’ve picked fruit with them), but you could actually live near a gypsy site (as I did) and not have to check your outbuildings every night.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Romany_Rye

    The story itself follows the journey of a learned young man living with Romanies. It is a philosophical adventure story of sorts. The book involves meetings with a number of eccentric characters. It also contains what could be called ethnographic material on the customs and views of the Romani women. The author obtains a valuable horse from his Romani friend Jasper Petulengro and eventually sells it to a Hungarian at the Horncastle horse fair.

    Not so when the unreconstructed Eastern European Roma came – or the Irish Travellers.

    • Thanks: AceDeuce
    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @YetAnotherAnon

    I wonder how many of these old "Roma" are ethnically Gypsy. They could be just British people who took to the roads centuries ago, in the same way as the Irish Travellers. I don't see much in the media nowadays about these long-established English Gypsies, good or bad.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home), @Daniel H

  25. @Hypnotoad666
    @Diversity Heretic

    There is no upside to importing these people. But if they just kill each other the same as they would in their home country, is that a big detriment to native born Americans? (If they start killing us that's a different matter, of course).

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @AndrewR, @Harry Baldwin, @Diversity Heretic

    I think the Shia tend to be much higher quality than Sunnis. Not coincidentally they also tend to be whiter than Sunnis.

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @AndrewR


    I think the Shia tend to be much higher quality than Sunnis. Not coincidentally they also tend to be whiter than Sunnis.
     
    Uh, well, no...

    The original Shia sect mainly went north to Iran and parts of Iraq/Syria and even Turkey. Some got as far as Afghanistan/Pakistan. Much of the Islam of Turkic/Mongol central Asia is Shia derived as a result of Mongol invasions of Persia and related. Only later, and partly, the Sunni Arab areas were attacked.

    As to "better quality" that is a broad generalization. Shia Islam can be more socially tolerant as it hasn't been exclusively defined by the Mecca-centric Arab mullahs and scholars. Very harsh rules from the desert tribal version of Islam.

    However Shia followers are the original Sore Losers and have long been violently at war with Sunni factions. Most inter-Muslim violence is due to Shia attacks on Sunnis (and later, retaliation by Sunnis).

    If there is a knowledgeable Muslim reader on iSteve, they should chime in. Come 'on man...

    (Okay, we'll settle for an actual Rabbi. None there either...?)

    Replies: @anon, @Occasional lurker

    , @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr.
    @AndrewR

    I think the Shia tend to be much higher quality than Sunnis. Not coincidentally they also tend to be whiter than Sunnis.

    Yes, Indo-European Iranians are predominantly Shiite whereas the Semitic Arabs are predominantly Sunni.

    , @anon
    @AndrewR


    I think the Shia tend to be much higher quality than Sunnis.
     
    well let them argue the finer points over there and not here. please?
  26. He and other Shiite Muslims in the city contacted one another nervously, wondering whether the killer could be not only a fellow Muslim, but a Sunni targeting his victims to coincide with the Shiite holiday.

    So while the cops and the national media were hunting for evil white dudes, the Muslims in town already knew the truth.

    Not only was Syed a bad dude, but if you read the article, his brother and his son are also bad apples.

    As far as I can tell, Syed and his clan had zero case for asylum. He had never worked for the Americans in Afghanistan. Any asylum case he had must have been based on lies. They should deport the whole family back to Afghanistan, but they never will.

    • Agree: bomag, Johann Ricke
  27. @Daniel H

    They had fled war-torn Afghanistan and resettled as refugees into a small duplex near the airport in Albuquerque.......
     
    It was there that Mr. Syed me a young, amiable, charismatic, rough-hewn, scruffy but seemingly intelligent youth named Jesse Pinkman..........

    Replies: @ForeverCARealist, @Mr. Anon, @ADL Pyramid of Hate

    I’ve never been to Albuquerque, but my son was just there. He said it was like a poorer version of Phoenix.

    Gallup, NM, is a big ghetto, and the small towns in the Navajo section look awful. A friend who worked in Los Alamos said it was UMC, but that might be the only part of that state with any \$.

    If people want to save the least among us, they should focus on getting the natives of NM off welfare and out of squalor.

    • Replies: @Daniel H
    @ForeverCARealist

    NM is one of the most dysfunctional states in the union. I believe that only Mississippi has worse social welfare metrics. And what a pity because it is beautiful. From the 60s-90s, that great west migration of easterners and middle westerners completely bypassed NM and went to Arizona.

    Replies: @anon, @prosa123

    , @prosa123
    @ForeverCARealist

    Gallup, NM, is a big ghetto, and the small towns in the Navajo section look awful. A friend who worked in Los Alamos said it was UMC, but that might be the only part of that state with any $.

    Rio Rancho. An excellent suburb of Albuquerque.

    , @AnotherDad
    @ForeverCARealist


    I’ve never been to Albuquerque, but my son was just there. He said it was like a poorer version of Phoenix.
     
    It's a very different setup geographically. Alburqueue is at altitude. 6000ish ft--higher than Denver. --with the Sandia mountains rising strikingly to the east another 4000 ft. And more mountains north toward Santa Fe, and of course, Taos. (Had a job offer in Albuquerque there back in the 80s. Which I kicked around a bit as I thought the setup was pretty nice.) While Phoenix is a low level (1000ft) desert bowl, not really visually appealing (except from the air). You have to drive out of town.

    And Phoenix is hot. If you're only planning to live there during the winter--great. You'll get 70 and sunny, while Alburquerque will be 50 and sunny and go below freezing overnight. But come summer Albuquerque will be a perfectly respectable 90, while Phoenix will be 100+ and not even give you desert cool at night because of the massive urban heat island effect.

    The problem with everywhere in NM is the demographics. It really is New Mexico. Our most Hispanic state--though California and Texas are catching up!--with many of them long rooted there since ceded from Mexico. Haven't seen 2020 census data, but probably will be majority Hispanic now. The upside, of course, is it's low on extra-vibrancy.

    Albuquerque strikes me as fine place to live ... except you--if white--have to be comfortable living as an ethnic minority in a Mexican-American society.

  28. A predictable and regular feature of open borders: there are Central American refugees who came here to get away from the cartels and gangs, who are savaged and murdered by the very people they were fleeing. Democrat claims of empathy are lies.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @J.Ross

    An acquaintance favored letting in Central American women as refugees, citing an NPR report about how terribly abused many women are by their husbands in their native lands. I said, "Okay, so you're saying that we should only let in the women, and not let any Central American men in, as they will only continue to abuse their women here."

    The logic was lost on her.

  29. @Altai

    But only other immigrants are allowed to complain about immigrants.
     
    Still the best is the time high profile British politician David Blunkett articulated complaints about Roma by Pakistanis in his constituency that if made by English, sorry, White British, people would have caused the media to eviscerate him.

    David Blunkett riot fear over Roma migrant tensions

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-24909979

    ‘A time bomb’: how social tensions are rising in a corner of northern England

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/03/roma-tire-shouldering-blame-boiling-pot-communities

    The Roma are only present because the neocons in Washington actively encouraged the expansion of the EU into the former Warsaw pact (We have seen how well that project as gone at it's apex) despite those places having nothing to offer Western Europe and expanding it's borders into them encouraging more migrants to try reaching Western Europe through them. When Romania and Bulgaria had it's citizens gain the right to move and work in any other EU country it led to a flood of Roma. Interestingly in Page Hall, where all this is happening, the Roma are from Slovakia so must have been more established since Slovakia got right to work and live in 2004.

    The Roma, of course, like other vagrant clannish peoples are highly antisocial towards outgroups, acting like parasites and tend to produce intense hatred. Albeit this could be said to a lesser extent about the Pakistanis but the types of people who might observe this are the wrong ethnicity so the open ethnic hatred of Pakistanis against Roma must be understood and heard. That the Pakistanis and Roma get into so much trouble with each precisely because the Pakistanis are too much like the Roma compared to other large groups is left unmentioned. In a way the Guardian piece is as much cathartic chance to express cryptic English resentful observations on them as anything else. Incidentally, no mention will be made about how Brexit removes more such people coming going forward. Mention is made about how Brexit will make things worse by removing EU funding for 'integration' of Roma, but if the authoritarian regimes of the communist Balkans failed I doubt 'integration programmes' (Themselves an admission that Roma are a problem) will help. The removal of any more Roma immigration is obviously much more beneficial.


    It was an unusually heavy response to a fight in a school canteen: a police helicopter, police dog and 15 police vehicles all rushed to Fir Vale Academy in Page Hall, Sheffield, one Tuesday in late September.

    The drama, inevitably, was caught on camera. The screaming in the dinner hall, children climbing on tables to escape. Outside, a teenage girl in handcuffs, face-down on a police car; the man in a tracksuit being mauled by a police dog. A pupil had texted false talk of a knife fight, and parents had been trying to scale the fence to reach the school.

    ...

    Five years ago, David Blunkett, serving his final years as an MP, warned that Page Hall, a multicultural district of Sheffield which had become one of the city’s most deprived areas after the decline of the steel industry, was a “boiling pot” waiting to spill over. Describing tensions between the more established Pakistani community and an influx of Slovakian Roma people, whom he said needed to make more of an effort to fit in, he told BBC Radio Sheffield: “We have to change the behaviour and the culture of the incoming community, the Roma community, because there’s going to be an explosion otherwise. We all know that.” Blunkett feared a repeat of violence that erupted between Asian and white youths in Bradford and other cities in 2001.

    Though they wouldn’t say so publicly, officials from communities all over the country with a sudden high concentration of Roma residents recognised the tensions Blunkett described. In Rotherham, Doncaster, Derby, Peterborough, Glasgow and Luton, the local authorities continue to grapple with the challenges brought by their new Roma residents since EU expansion into eastern Europe in the 2000s. Many fear that Brexit will result in the loss of funding from the EU through the European Social Fund, undoing any progress that has been made.


    The last, most scientific, attempt at estimating the UK’s Roma population, by Salford University in 2013, put it at just under 200,000. That has almost certainly ballooned. As EU citizens, mostly from Slovakia, the Czech Republic, Poland, Hungary and Romania, Roma do not have to register on arrival. So local authorities tried to make their own estimates based on school admissions and GP registrations – neither terribly reliable considering the Roma mistrust of authority, stemming from deep-rooted discrimination in their home countries.

    Like many new arrivals, the Roma have tended to stick together. They rent poor-quality private accommodation in the cheapest areas and toil in the sort of unskilled, low-paid jobs many Britons snub. Big families cram into two-bed terraced houses.

    In many rapidly changing neighbourhoods, tensions over noise, antisocial behaviour and litter quickly surfaced with the more established residents. Usually of immigrant background themselves, many of them had worked in the same minimum-wage jobs on arrival as the Roma but had managed to buy their properties. The flow of Roma has slowed since the Brexit vote brought an increase in hate crime, but in a letter to parents after the canteen fight at Fir Vale, the soon-to-be-ousted headteacher said 24 new pupils had started in the week after the incident.

    Six miles north-east of Page Hall is Eastwood, a suburb of Rotherham. Ever since she was elected to represent the town in 2012, Sarah Champion MP has been receiving complaints about litter, fly-tipping and antisocial behaviour, blamed on Roma arrivals. For a long time, the complaints came from white British and British Pakistani people who had bought their homes before EU enlargement, said the Labour MP. “There are people who put all their savings into their homes and find how they are worth less than they paid for them. They are stuck. They can’t leave the area. It’s a nightmare,” she said. A two-bed terrace on Milton Road, one of the most fly-tipped streets, sold in 2015 for £38,000. Four years previously it had been bought for £59,950.

    Most recently, postal workers said they were so frightened delivering in Eastwood after being mugged for their parcels that they no longer went out alone. “They are terrified because of the level of intimidation,’” said Champion. She went out on a round with two postal workers: “If I wasn’t with two post people, I would have been running away. I was really shocked how bad it was.”

    But as their English improves, the Roma want to defend themselves. Recently, Champion went to a meeting of about 40 Eastwood Roma residents, who said they felt intimidated and victimised in their own homes, let alone the streets. “They talked of bullying and degradation, and they were saying that it was the Pakistanis who were doing it,” said the MP. She said the “disreputable” landlords renting to Roma were almost exclusively Pakistanis, happy to take high rents for substandard properties, secure that the Roma would not complain.

     

    The Guardian still can't help itself, failing to define numbers (There are few professions majority immigrant) about jobs 'Britons snub'. The Roma are hated because they don't like work but like Mafia types liking spivery. It's not that they can't it's that they prefer the alternatives.

    In all the Guardian just catalogues a list of painful intractable problems and lowering of quality of life that could all have been avoided if Britain had implemented along with almost all the rest of the existing EU, the blocking of the right to move and work for the Eastern European states for 5 years or if they had never joined the EU at all. Ditto if immigration from Pakistan was never allowed.

    But when 'White British' people did something to solve these problems, voting for Brexit they get endless hate and when they notice the problems of immigrant groups they are despised. But when the Pakistanis literally attacked Roma in the street, it's something to be calmly understood.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Clyde, @Achmed E. Newman, @MEH 0910, @LP5, @bomag, @Rob McX, @JohnnyWalker123

    Altai writes:

    In all the Guardian just catalogues a list of painful intractable problems and lowering of quality of life

    Many Brits would argue that that was the whole point of the official policies.

    • Agree: Gordo
  30. @Altai

    But only other immigrants are allowed to complain about immigrants.
     
    Still the best is the time high profile British politician David Blunkett articulated complaints about Roma by Pakistanis in his constituency that if made by English, sorry, White British, people would have caused the media to eviscerate him.

    David Blunkett riot fear over Roma migrant tensions

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-24909979

    ‘A time bomb’: how social tensions are rising in a corner of northern England

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/03/roma-tire-shouldering-blame-boiling-pot-communities

    The Roma are only present because the neocons in Washington actively encouraged the expansion of the EU into the former Warsaw pact (We have seen how well that project as gone at it's apex) despite those places having nothing to offer Western Europe and expanding it's borders into them encouraging more migrants to try reaching Western Europe through them. When Romania and Bulgaria had it's citizens gain the right to move and work in any other EU country it led to a flood of Roma. Interestingly in Page Hall, where all this is happening, the Roma are from Slovakia so must have been more established since Slovakia got right to work and live in 2004.

    The Roma, of course, like other vagrant clannish peoples are highly antisocial towards outgroups, acting like parasites and tend to produce intense hatred. Albeit this could be said to a lesser extent about the Pakistanis but the types of people who might observe this are the wrong ethnicity so the open ethnic hatred of Pakistanis against Roma must be understood and heard. That the Pakistanis and Roma get into so much trouble with each precisely because the Pakistanis are too much like the Roma compared to other large groups is left unmentioned. In a way the Guardian piece is as much cathartic chance to express cryptic English resentful observations on them as anything else. Incidentally, no mention will be made about how Brexit removes more such people coming going forward. Mention is made about how Brexit will make things worse by removing EU funding for 'integration' of Roma, but if the authoritarian regimes of the communist Balkans failed I doubt 'integration programmes' (Themselves an admission that Roma are a problem) will help. The removal of any more Roma immigration is obviously much more beneficial.


    It was an unusually heavy response to a fight in a school canteen: a police helicopter, police dog and 15 police vehicles all rushed to Fir Vale Academy in Page Hall, Sheffield, one Tuesday in late September.

    The drama, inevitably, was caught on camera. The screaming in the dinner hall, children climbing on tables to escape. Outside, a teenage girl in handcuffs, face-down on a police car; the man in a tracksuit being mauled by a police dog. A pupil had texted false talk of a knife fight, and parents had been trying to scale the fence to reach the school.

    ...

    Five years ago, David Blunkett, serving his final years as an MP, warned that Page Hall, a multicultural district of Sheffield which had become one of the city’s most deprived areas after the decline of the steel industry, was a “boiling pot” waiting to spill over. Describing tensions between the more established Pakistani community and an influx of Slovakian Roma people, whom he said needed to make more of an effort to fit in, he told BBC Radio Sheffield: “We have to change the behaviour and the culture of the incoming community, the Roma community, because there’s going to be an explosion otherwise. We all know that.” Blunkett feared a repeat of violence that erupted between Asian and white youths in Bradford and other cities in 2001.

    Though they wouldn’t say so publicly, officials from communities all over the country with a sudden high concentration of Roma residents recognised the tensions Blunkett described. In Rotherham, Doncaster, Derby, Peterborough, Glasgow and Luton, the local authorities continue to grapple with the challenges brought by their new Roma residents since EU expansion into eastern Europe in the 2000s. Many fear that Brexit will result in the loss of funding from the EU through the European Social Fund, undoing any progress that has been made.


    The last, most scientific, attempt at estimating the UK’s Roma population, by Salford University in 2013, put it at just under 200,000. That has almost certainly ballooned. As EU citizens, mostly from Slovakia, the Czech Republic, Poland, Hungary and Romania, Roma do not have to register on arrival. So local authorities tried to make their own estimates based on school admissions and GP registrations – neither terribly reliable considering the Roma mistrust of authority, stemming from deep-rooted discrimination in their home countries.

    Like many new arrivals, the Roma have tended to stick together. They rent poor-quality private accommodation in the cheapest areas and toil in the sort of unskilled, low-paid jobs many Britons snub. Big families cram into two-bed terraced houses.

    In many rapidly changing neighbourhoods, tensions over noise, antisocial behaviour and litter quickly surfaced with the more established residents. Usually of immigrant background themselves, many of them had worked in the same minimum-wage jobs on arrival as the Roma but had managed to buy their properties. The flow of Roma has slowed since the Brexit vote brought an increase in hate crime, but in a letter to parents after the canteen fight at Fir Vale, the soon-to-be-ousted headteacher said 24 new pupils had started in the week after the incident.

    Six miles north-east of Page Hall is Eastwood, a suburb of Rotherham. Ever since she was elected to represent the town in 2012, Sarah Champion MP has been receiving complaints about litter, fly-tipping and antisocial behaviour, blamed on Roma arrivals. For a long time, the complaints came from white British and British Pakistani people who had bought their homes before EU enlargement, said the Labour MP. “There are people who put all their savings into their homes and find how they are worth less than they paid for them. They are stuck. They can’t leave the area. It’s a nightmare,” she said. A two-bed terrace on Milton Road, one of the most fly-tipped streets, sold in 2015 for £38,000. Four years previously it had been bought for £59,950.

    Most recently, postal workers said they were so frightened delivering in Eastwood after being mugged for their parcels that they no longer went out alone. “They are terrified because of the level of intimidation,’” said Champion. She went out on a round with two postal workers: “If I wasn’t with two post people, I would have been running away. I was really shocked how bad it was.”

    But as their English improves, the Roma want to defend themselves. Recently, Champion went to a meeting of about 40 Eastwood Roma residents, who said they felt intimidated and victimised in their own homes, let alone the streets. “They talked of bullying and degradation, and they were saying that it was the Pakistanis who were doing it,” said the MP. She said the “disreputable” landlords renting to Roma were almost exclusively Pakistanis, happy to take high rents for substandard properties, secure that the Roma would not complain.

     

    The Guardian still can't help itself, failing to define numbers (There are few professions majority immigrant) about jobs 'Britons snub'. The Roma are hated because they don't like work but like Mafia types liking spivery. It's not that they can't it's that they prefer the alternatives.

    In all the Guardian just catalogues a list of painful intractable problems and lowering of quality of life that could all have been avoided if Britain had implemented along with almost all the rest of the existing EU, the blocking of the right to move and work for the Eastern European states for 5 years or if they had never joined the EU at all. Ditto if immigration from Pakistan was never allowed.

    But when 'White British' people did something to solve these problems, voting for Brexit they get endless hate and when they notice the problems of immigrant groups they are despised. But when the Pakistanis literally attacked Roma in the street, it's something to be calmly understood.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Clyde, @Achmed E. Newman, @MEH 0910, @LP5, @bomag, @Rob McX, @JohnnyWalker123

    Some gems in there:

    … parents had been trying to scale the fence to reach the school.

    Prison ethos more and more in our future.

    They are stuck. They can’t leave the area. It’s a nightmare…

    So that’s how the story ends: migrants can no longer move; have to live in their own filth.

  31. @beavertales
    The new Operation Paperclip.

    Afghans are being brought to the US by the thousands because they know too much about what the US did in Afghanistan. They could provide the Russians, Chinese and Iranians with insider information on US intelligence gathering and tactical doctrine, as well as war crimes.

    Then there's this: former Afghan soldiers working in Ukraine, to secure residence for their families in the US

    https://topwar.ru/200350-chinovnik-mid-rf-ssha-ispolzujut-byvshih-afganskih-voennyh-v-svoih-interesah-na-ukraine.html

    The war on terror in Afghanistan: the gift that keeps giving.

    Replies: @LP5

    Beavertale writes:

    Afghans are being brought to the US by the thousands because they know too much about what the US did in Afghanistan.

    Just imagine how much those thousands of abandoned US personnel must know to have warranted the abandonment by that abandoning Biden administration.

  32. Why was the killer allowed into the United States?

    To do the jobs Americans won’t do?

  33. @Anonymous
    @Bill Jones


    London Sex Change Clinic For Kids Shut Down And Sued By 1000 Families
     
    On the one hand, hoorah. On the other hand, they are suing the NHS which means that Joe Taxpayer will end up footing the bill.

    Whether individuals from that benighted clinic will ever be held responsible is another matter entirely.

    Replies: @LP5

    About that NHS sex change clinic:

    On the other hand, they are suing the NHS which means that Joe Taxpayer will end up footing the bill.

    What with all that imported vibrancy, or something, new Councils could have appropriate punishments meted out in the town square. You know, like hanging, amputation or, use your imagination here.

    • Replies: @Escher
    @LP5

    You took the words out of my keyboard.
    These evil people deserve to undergo the same mutilations that they subjected their confused young victims to.

  34. “We left Afghanistan to get away from people like him. But they followed us here.”

    I had a Palestinian acquaintance whose aim was to emigrate to a particular European country where he would be free, he hoped, of fellow Moslems with the power to tell him how to live.

    Having first established that I’m an atheist, he said he was too: religion was for stupid people and yokels. I wonder whether he’d any friends at home with whom he’d dare be so frank.

  35. @Achmed E. Newman

    Why was the killer allowed into the United States?
     
    He'd been thoroughly vetted, Steve, vetted, I tell you, with a background check that started with his attendance record in elementary school in E. Bumfuckistan.

    Really, there's nothing in the excerpt that one wouldn't expect from the Moslem culture. What did this guy expect of America? Oh, yeah, he expected to become part of a Sunni Moslem Community here, one which would have the same culture as his back in Afghanistan, except with better infrastructure and free stuff from the US Government.

    Alternate explanation: We haven't had a civil war in a long time, so our elites want to import some of these for entertainment?

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    After World War II we imported thousand of Nazis to work on stuff like rocket science and mind control drugs. Maybe the Afghan rowdies are here for engineering projects?

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  36. @Hypnotoad666
    @Diversity Heretic

    There is no upside to importing these people. But if they just kill each other the same as they would in their home country, is that a big detriment to native born Americans? (If they start killing us that's a different matter, of course).

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @AndrewR, @Harry Baldwin, @Diversity Heretic

    It’s a big detriment to us because there are all sorts of collateral damages and expenses associated with them killing each other: injury to innocent bystanders, police work, medical expenses, incarceration, necessity for press and politicians to keep lying about it, degradation of civilization, etc.

    • Agree: Rob McX
  37. @J.Ross
    A predictable and regular feature of open borders: there are Central American refugees who came here to get away from the cartels and gangs, who are savaged and murdered by the very people they were fleeing. Democrat claims of empathy are lies.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    An acquaintance favored letting in Central American women as refugees, citing an NPR report about how terribly abused many women are by their husbands in their native lands. I said, “Okay, so you’re saying that we should only let in the women, and not let any Central American men in, as they will only continue to abuse their women here.”

    The logic was lost on her.

  38. @Daniel H

    They had fled war-torn Afghanistan and resettled as refugees into a small duplex near the airport in Albuquerque.......
     
    It was there that Mr. Syed me a young, amiable, charismatic, rough-hewn, scruffy but seemingly intelligent youth named Jesse Pinkman..........

    Replies: @ForeverCARealist, @Mr. Anon, @ADL Pyramid of Hate

    It was there that Mr. Syed me a young, amiable, charismatic, rough-hewn, scruffy but seemingly intelligent youth named Jesse Pinkman……….

    Breaking Badmash

  39. 5 years ago was 2017. Give him credit for having a better understanding of the collaborationist government’s long-term prospects than anyone in D.C.

  40. Anon[395] • Disclaimer says:

    Four bylined reporters, which seems to be the max permitted by NYT rules (kind of like the three max rule for Nobel Prizes), but as usual they tuck a couple of others in an endnote, for a total of six.

    It reminds me of that ridiculous super-multi-bylined NYT story about the two page leaked Trump tax return, in which the conclusion was that had the return been for the year two or three years later (after some tax law changes) A DEDUCTION TRUMP TOOK WOULD HAVE BEEN ILLEGAL!!!! (in that alternate universe).

  41. The bottom line is that the Ruling Class HATES you and wants you DEAD. They can only be happy if you are miserable. Look at Bill Gates. His life will only have meaning if you are stuck in a shipping container with 10 other random people from the third world with stabbings every night, eating a bowl of cockroaches for dinner.

    Otherwise he cannot be happy.

    Other groups of various racial and ethnic backgrounds hold that all White people are genetically evil, bear hereditary blood guilt, and must be destroyed.

    So of course mass third world migration will continue until these goals are achieved. The only possible alternatives are catastrophic military defeat by Russia and China both, and some Stalin like figure to stabilize things by ruthless suppression and deportation of non-Whites. The one thing we have going for us is that Central America and Afghanistan do not support global military power. And rulers do like Global Military power.

    Peace has given you diversity and mass third world immigration. All we are saying, is give War a Chance. Peace is over, if you want it.

    • Agree: BB753, Daniel H
    • Replies: @BB753
    @Whiskey

    I was agreeing with you until you mentioned Joe Stalin. So war is good because defeat is inevitable? Worse is better? Better nuked than woke?

  42. anon[216] • Disclaimer says:

    I evolved my theory that religions tend to become rather ethnically specific over time because all religions are rather ethnically schismatic, in part due to the Sunni-Shiite schism.

    This story of the violent Sunni hating the Shiite suitor, coming on the heels of a column on murder rates, makes me wonder about Sunni-Shiite violent crime ratios.

    Excluding Muslims from SE Asia, who I predict will eventually have their own schism from Sunni Islam, I would guess that Shia Islam, essentially representing Persian Islam as it does, has a moderately lower tendency to personal violence than Sunni Islam, representing largely Arab Islam. Moslem Turkics are a kicker in all this. I’d confidently bet that Turkics have lower rates of personal violence than Arabs, but if I just keep kicking out non-Arab Sunnis from my assessment, then of course Sunni Islam is ethnically specific. Anyone got any data or anecdotal entertainment?

  43. @Hypnotoad666
    @Diversity Heretic

    There is no upside to importing these people. But if they just kill each other the same as they would in their home country, is that a big detriment to native born Americans? (If they start killing us that's a different matter, of course).

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @AndrewR, @Harry Baldwin, @Diversity Heretic

    There’s a line in a French movie starring Louis de Funès, The Mad Adventures of Rabbi Jacob. In speaking about foreigners, the protagonist says; “I don’t mind if they kill each other. That way there are fewer of them. But they should do so in their own country.” That about sums it up. When they kill each other here, it’s expensive and troublesome and, as Steve’s original post shows, oftentimes whites end up somehow getting the blame.

    • Agree: anonymouseperson
  44. The Shi’ite/Sunni conflict is not really about religion. It’s a race war between Arabs and Persians.

    • Agree: Muggles
  45. @Altai

    But only other immigrants are allowed to complain about immigrants.
     
    Still the best is the time high profile British politician David Blunkett articulated complaints about Roma by Pakistanis in his constituency that if made by English, sorry, White British, people would have caused the media to eviscerate him.

    David Blunkett riot fear over Roma migrant tensions

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-24909979

    ‘A time bomb’: how social tensions are rising in a corner of northern England

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/03/roma-tire-shouldering-blame-boiling-pot-communities

    The Roma are only present because the neocons in Washington actively encouraged the expansion of the EU into the former Warsaw pact (We have seen how well that project as gone at it's apex) despite those places having nothing to offer Western Europe and expanding it's borders into them encouraging more migrants to try reaching Western Europe through them. When Romania and Bulgaria had it's citizens gain the right to move and work in any other EU country it led to a flood of Roma. Interestingly in Page Hall, where all this is happening, the Roma are from Slovakia so must have been more established since Slovakia got right to work and live in 2004.

    The Roma, of course, like other vagrant clannish peoples are highly antisocial towards outgroups, acting like parasites and tend to produce intense hatred. Albeit this could be said to a lesser extent about the Pakistanis but the types of people who might observe this are the wrong ethnicity so the open ethnic hatred of Pakistanis against Roma must be understood and heard. That the Pakistanis and Roma get into so much trouble with each precisely because the Pakistanis are too much like the Roma compared to other large groups is left unmentioned. In a way the Guardian piece is as much cathartic chance to express cryptic English resentful observations on them as anything else. Incidentally, no mention will be made about how Brexit removes more such people coming going forward. Mention is made about how Brexit will make things worse by removing EU funding for 'integration' of Roma, but if the authoritarian regimes of the communist Balkans failed I doubt 'integration programmes' (Themselves an admission that Roma are a problem) will help. The removal of any more Roma immigration is obviously much more beneficial.


    It was an unusually heavy response to a fight in a school canteen: a police helicopter, police dog and 15 police vehicles all rushed to Fir Vale Academy in Page Hall, Sheffield, one Tuesday in late September.

    The drama, inevitably, was caught on camera. The screaming in the dinner hall, children climbing on tables to escape. Outside, a teenage girl in handcuffs, face-down on a police car; the man in a tracksuit being mauled by a police dog. A pupil had texted false talk of a knife fight, and parents had been trying to scale the fence to reach the school.

    ...

    Five years ago, David Blunkett, serving his final years as an MP, warned that Page Hall, a multicultural district of Sheffield which had become one of the city’s most deprived areas after the decline of the steel industry, was a “boiling pot” waiting to spill over. Describing tensions between the more established Pakistani community and an influx of Slovakian Roma people, whom he said needed to make more of an effort to fit in, he told BBC Radio Sheffield: “We have to change the behaviour and the culture of the incoming community, the Roma community, because there’s going to be an explosion otherwise. We all know that.” Blunkett feared a repeat of violence that erupted between Asian and white youths in Bradford and other cities in 2001.

    Though they wouldn’t say so publicly, officials from communities all over the country with a sudden high concentration of Roma residents recognised the tensions Blunkett described. In Rotherham, Doncaster, Derby, Peterborough, Glasgow and Luton, the local authorities continue to grapple with the challenges brought by their new Roma residents since EU expansion into eastern Europe in the 2000s. Many fear that Brexit will result in the loss of funding from the EU through the European Social Fund, undoing any progress that has been made.


    The last, most scientific, attempt at estimating the UK’s Roma population, by Salford University in 2013, put it at just under 200,000. That has almost certainly ballooned. As EU citizens, mostly from Slovakia, the Czech Republic, Poland, Hungary and Romania, Roma do not have to register on arrival. So local authorities tried to make their own estimates based on school admissions and GP registrations – neither terribly reliable considering the Roma mistrust of authority, stemming from deep-rooted discrimination in their home countries.

    Like many new arrivals, the Roma have tended to stick together. They rent poor-quality private accommodation in the cheapest areas and toil in the sort of unskilled, low-paid jobs many Britons snub. Big families cram into two-bed terraced houses.

    In many rapidly changing neighbourhoods, tensions over noise, antisocial behaviour and litter quickly surfaced with the more established residents. Usually of immigrant background themselves, many of them had worked in the same minimum-wage jobs on arrival as the Roma but had managed to buy their properties. The flow of Roma has slowed since the Brexit vote brought an increase in hate crime, but in a letter to parents after the canteen fight at Fir Vale, the soon-to-be-ousted headteacher said 24 new pupils had started in the week after the incident.

    Six miles north-east of Page Hall is Eastwood, a suburb of Rotherham. Ever since she was elected to represent the town in 2012, Sarah Champion MP has been receiving complaints about litter, fly-tipping and antisocial behaviour, blamed on Roma arrivals. For a long time, the complaints came from white British and British Pakistani people who had bought their homes before EU enlargement, said the Labour MP. “There are people who put all their savings into their homes and find how they are worth less than they paid for them. They are stuck. They can’t leave the area. It’s a nightmare,” she said. A two-bed terrace on Milton Road, one of the most fly-tipped streets, sold in 2015 for £38,000. Four years previously it had been bought for £59,950.

    Most recently, postal workers said they were so frightened delivering in Eastwood after being mugged for their parcels that they no longer went out alone. “They are terrified because of the level of intimidation,’” said Champion. She went out on a round with two postal workers: “If I wasn’t with two post people, I would have been running away. I was really shocked how bad it was.”

    But as their English improves, the Roma want to defend themselves. Recently, Champion went to a meeting of about 40 Eastwood Roma residents, who said they felt intimidated and victimised in their own homes, let alone the streets. “They talked of bullying and degradation, and they were saying that it was the Pakistanis who were doing it,” said the MP. She said the “disreputable” landlords renting to Roma were almost exclusively Pakistanis, happy to take high rents for substandard properties, secure that the Roma would not complain.

     

    The Guardian still can't help itself, failing to define numbers (There are few professions majority immigrant) about jobs 'Britons snub'. The Roma are hated because they don't like work but like Mafia types liking spivery. It's not that they can't it's that they prefer the alternatives.

    In all the Guardian just catalogues a list of painful intractable problems and lowering of quality of life that could all have been avoided if Britain had implemented along with almost all the rest of the existing EU, the blocking of the right to move and work for the Eastern European states for 5 years or if they had never joined the EU at all. Ditto if immigration from Pakistan was never allowed.

    But when 'White British' people did something to solve these problems, voting for Brexit they get endless hate and when they notice the problems of immigrant groups they are despised. But when the Pakistanis literally attacked Roma in the street, it's something to be calmly understood.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Clyde, @Achmed E. Newman, @MEH 0910, @LP5, @bomag, @Rob McX, @JohnnyWalker123

    Let them at it, is all I can say. I’m sure one reason the Gypsies ended up there is that the Pakistani landlords were happy to rent their bottom-level properties to them. As long as these landlords live in another part of town, they don’t give a damn about dumping the obnoxious Gypsies on their fellow Pakistanis. That’s what you get when you have loyalty that extends only to your immediate kin.

  46. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Clyde

    Roma have been around in the UK for centuries, and we'd pretty much worked out a modus vivendi with our lot. They hadn't exactly assimilated - the men dealt in scrap and horses, the women sold clothespegs and 'lucky heather' door to door, and both sexes worked in the fields in summer (I've picked fruit with them), but you could actually live near a gypsy site (as I did) and not have to check your outbuildings every night.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Romany_Rye


    The story itself follows the journey of a learned young man living with Romanies. It is a philosophical adventure story of sorts. The book involves meetings with a number of eccentric characters. It also contains what could be called ethnographic material on the customs and views of the Romani women. The author obtains a valuable horse from his Romani friend Jasper Petulengro and eventually sells it to a Hungarian at the Horncastle horse fair.
     
    Not so when the unreconstructed Eastern European Roma came - or the Irish Travellers.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGXR0NzN3Hw

    Replies: @Rob McX

    I wonder how many of these old “Roma” are ethnically Gypsy. They could be just British people who took to the roads centuries ago, in the same way as the Irish Travellers. I don’t see much in the media nowadays about these long-established English Gypsies, good or bad.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @Rob McX


    I wonder how many of these old “Roma” are ethnically Gypsy. They could be just British people who took to the roads centuries ago, in the same way as the Irish Travellers. I don’t see much in the media nowadays about these long-established English Gypsies, good or bad.
     
    I think this is the case with Irish Travellers whose DNA has been tested and revealed that they were simply native Irish who became itinerant a few hundred years ago, otherwise indistinct from the greater Irish population. They were the Irish's blacks before the Irish had blacks, because they were associated with all manner of horse thievery and so forth - the Irish played an imitation of our civil rights games with the Travellers where you had to pretend that they were just misunderstood and hated for no reason (as one rode off on your horse).

    Roma/Gypsies have, I believe, been shown via DNA testing to have originated in the Subcontinent. "Gypsy" is a misnomer incorrectly identifying them as having come from Egypt, thus the change to "Roma." Many do in fact look like they have origins in India.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    , @Daniel H
    @Rob McX

    Albert Lee, English guitarist. Never a major rock start but on everybody's list of the best guitarists. Said to be of English Roma descent. Sure looks it. No Anglo/Norman/Danish in this fella.

    https://c8.alamy.com/comp/E0T90C/albert-lee-english-guitarist-portrait-with-guitar-circa-1970s-E0T90C.jpg

    Replies: @Daniel H, @anon, @BB753

  47. Why was the killer allowed into the United States?

    Well, he wasn’t a killer when he was let in, was he? I’m sure if he was he would have put that down on his application. And of course the Kandahar Criminal Court records are highly regarded for their accuracy and searchability, so he was probably as pure as a spring lamb when he immigrated.

    Maybe you should ask yourself: what is it about America that made Syed into a killer?

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    Maybe you should ask yourself: what is it about America that made Syed into a killer?

    Indeed. We need to ask ourselves; how did we fail poor Syed?

  48. Anonymous[368] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m here to report that in addition to offloading Chicago’s best residents (thanks HUD), tens of thousands of Indians, Haitians, Somalis, along with the few remaining 4 foot 8 inch full blooded natives left in Central America, small flyover former whitetopias are now gifted with the first arrivals of Afghanis.

    Quite a shock to be out running errands and groups of eight or more are right there, grown women in a ful hijab.

    There is a new underlying tension in small town flyover locales that is hard to describe.

    Home schooling is likely a requirement for basic sanity at this point going forward. Large race-based school fights in towns you’ve never heard of are the norm.

    The real estate industry continues to delight in the explosion of new SF and MF homes. Our metro area has probably added 2,000-3,000 apartments in the last three years. In absolute flyover nowhere.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  49. @Rob McX
    @YetAnotherAnon

    I wonder how many of these old "Roma" are ethnically Gypsy. They could be just British people who took to the roads centuries ago, in the same way as the Irish Travellers. I don't see much in the media nowadays about these long-established English Gypsies, good or bad.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home), @Daniel H

    I wonder how many of these old “Roma” are ethnically Gypsy. They could be just British people who took to the roads centuries ago, in the same way as the Irish Travellers. I don’t see much in the media nowadays about these long-established English Gypsies, good or bad.

    I think this is the case with Irish Travellers whose DNA has been tested and revealed that they were simply native Irish who became itinerant a few hundred years ago, otherwise indistinct from the greater Irish population. They were the Irish’s blacks before the Irish had blacks, because they were associated with all manner of horse thievery and so forth – the Irish played an imitation of our civil rights games with the Travellers where you had to pretend that they were just misunderstood and hated for no reason (as one rode off on your horse).

    Roma/Gypsies have, I believe, been shown via DNA testing to have originated in the Subcontinent. “Gypsy” is a misnomer incorrectly identifying them as having come from Egypt, thus the change to “Roma.” Many do in fact look like they have origins in India.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    When Britons - English, Welsh, Scots - take to the road they do it as solitary wanderers, not as clans. "Gentlemen Of The Road" aka tramps were still a thing 60 years ago.

    For the last 15-20 years, every summer I've seen a small gypsy colony who still lead the horse and caravan lifestyle, roaming as far south as Wiltshire and all the way up to Worcestershire, camped at the side of some back lane, ponies grazing the verges. Very few people have a problem with that, except maybe the educational social workers.

    On the other hand you have this lot, also covering the same area.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Johnson_Gang


    The Johnson Gang is the collective name for a group of Romanichal criminals from Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, who specialised in stealing fine art and antiques from English country houses over a period of 20 years. The goods they stole are estimated to be worth between £30 million and £80 million.

     

  50. @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    Why was the killer allowed into the United States?
     
    Well, he wasn't a killer when he was let in, was he? I'm sure if he was he would have put that down on his application. And of course the Kandahar Criminal Court records are highly regarded for their accuracy and searchability, so he was probably as pure as a spring lamb when he immigrated.

    Maybe you should ask yourself: what is it about America that made Syed into a killer?

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    Maybe you should ask yourself: what is it about America that made Syed into a killer?

    Indeed. We need to ask ourselves; how did we fail poor Syed?

  51. @Daniel H

    They had fled war-torn Afghanistan and resettled as refugees into a small duplex near the airport in Albuquerque.......
     
    It was there that Mr. Syed me a young, amiable, charismatic, rough-hewn, scruffy but seemingly intelligent youth named Jesse Pinkman..........

    Replies: @ForeverCARealist, @Mr. Anon, @ADL Pyramid of Hate

    I’m excited for the reboot of Breaking Bad, when it comes time for its turn to substitute for an original idea, to feature Sunnis instead of Anglos and Shi’ites instead of Mexicans.

  52. @Bill Jones
    Are we surprised?
    Of course not.
    Will it change anything?
    Of course not.



    Here, I hate to do this but have some good news for a change.


    London Sex Change Clinic For Kids Shut Down And Sued By 1000 Families
     
    https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/tavistock-london-sex-change-clinic-kids-shut-down-and-sued-1000-families


    Perhaps we've reached the apogee of this particular perversion.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Almost Missouri, @Anonymous, @Rob McX

    This is going to end up like the satanic daycare hysteria of the 1980s and recovered-memory panic of the 1990s.

    • Agree: Occasional lurker
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Anonymous

    Wrong comparison, this was 100% respectable, establishmentarian, and backed by academia, so it's like lobotomy and shock treatment.

  53. @MEH 0910
    @Altai

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/coalition-of-the-fringes-news-rotherham-pakistanis-denounce-new-immigrant-gypsies/
    https://twitter.com/Steve_Sailer/status/1059245026318798848

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @George

    A search on Fir Vale news was enlightening.

  54. @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @Rob McX


    I wonder how many of these old “Roma” are ethnically Gypsy. They could be just British people who took to the roads centuries ago, in the same way as the Irish Travellers. I don’t see much in the media nowadays about these long-established English Gypsies, good or bad.
     
    I think this is the case with Irish Travellers whose DNA has been tested and revealed that they were simply native Irish who became itinerant a few hundred years ago, otherwise indistinct from the greater Irish population. They were the Irish's blacks before the Irish had blacks, because they were associated with all manner of horse thievery and so forth - the Irish played an imitation of our civil rights games with the Travellers where you had to pretend that they were just misunderstood and hated for no reason (as one rode off on your horse).

    Roma/Gypsies have, I believe, been shown via DNA testing to have originated in the Subcontinent. "Gypsy" is a misnomer incorrectly identifying them as having come from Egypt, thus the change to "Roma." Many do in fact look like they have origins in India.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    When Britons – English, Welsh, Scots – take to the road they do it as solitary wanderers, not as clans. “Gentlemen Of The Road” aka tramps were still a thing 60 years ago.

    For the last 15-20 years, every summer I’ve seen a small gypsy colony who still lead the horse and caravan lifestyle, roaming as far south as Wiltshire and all the way up to Worcestershire, camped at the side of some back lane, ponies grazing the verges. Very few people have a problem with that, except maybe the educational social workers.

    On the other hand you have this lot, also covering the same area.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Johnson_Gang

    The Johnson Gang is the collective name for a group of Romanichal criminals from Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, who specialised in stealing fine art and antiques from English country houses over a period of 20 years. The goods they stole are estimated to be worth between £30 million and £80 million.

  55. I’m sure he performed invaluable services for the US armed forces back in Afghanistan what with his cooking and tire-slashing skills.

  56. @ForeverCARealist
    @Daniel H

    I've never been to Albuquerque, but my son was just there. He said it was like a poorer version of Phoenix.

    Gallup, NM, is a big ghetto, and the small towns in the Navajo section look awful. A friend who worked in Los Alamos said it was UMC, but that might be the only part of that state with any $.

    If people want to save the least among us, they should focus on getting the natives of NM off welfare and out of squalor.

    Replies: @Daniel H, @prosa123, @AnotherDad

    NM is one of the most dysfunctional states in the union. I believe that only Mississippi has worse social welfare metrics. And what a pity because it is beautiful. From the 60s-90s, that great west migration of easterners and middle westerners completely bypassed NM and went to Arizona.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Daniel H


    NM is one of the most dysfunctional states in the union.
     
    you sir are correct.

    this creature did not help at all,
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Richardson
    , @prosa123
    @Daniel H

    "NM is one of the most dysfunctional states"

    New York is far worse. Case in point: the Second Avenue Subway. Still incomplete after 100 years.

  57. @AndrewR
    @Hypnotoad666

    I think the Shia tend to be much higher quality than Sunnis. Not coincidentally they also tend to be whiter than Sunnis.

    Replies: @Muggles, @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr., @anon

    I think the Shia tend to be much higher quality than Sunnis. Not coincidentally they also tend to be whiter than Sunnis.

    Uh, well, no…

    The original Shia sect mainly went north to Iran and parts of Iraq/Syria and even Turkey. Some got as far as Afghanistan/Pakistan. Much of the Islam of Turkic/Mongol central Asia is Shia derived as a result of Mongol invasions of Persia and related. Only later, and partly, the Sunni Arab areas were attacked.

    As to “better quality” that is a broad generalization. Shia Islam can be more socially tolerant as it hasn’t been exclusively defined by the Mecca-centric Arab mullahs and scholars. Very harsh rules from the desert tribal version of Islam.

    However Shia followers are the original Sore Losers and have long been violently at war with Sunni factions. Most inter-Muslim violence is due to Shia attacks on Sunnis (and later, retaliation by Sunnis).

    If there is a knowledgeable Muslim reader on iSteve, they should chime in. Come ‘on man…

    (Okay, we’ll settle for an actual Rabbi. None there either…?)

    • Replies: @anon
    @Muggles


    Much of the Islam of Turkic/Mongol central Asia is Shia derived
     
    You must have very expansive definitions of "much", and "derived". All 5 central Asian countries are Sunni majority, even Tajikistan, with it's Persian-branch language and culture. Same for Afghanistan and its Pashto. Some large groups, like the Kazakhs, have almost no Shia at all. Every majority Turkic language country and sub-region (eg in Russia) is Sunni majority except Azerbaijan. It, Lebanon, Iraq and Iran are the only Shia majority countries. And Lebanon barely (and it's small and somewhat secular anyway).
    , @Occasional lurker
    @Muggles

    The "higher quality" idea I believe mainly comes from the fact that Persians tend to be better educated and informed than Arabs, plus Iranian expats tend to be middle/upper class, or maybe that is the whole effect. Turks, too, tend to be "higher quality" or are somewhat easier to integrate than Arabs, depending on the region. In Turkey, the 1/3 of Shiites (if you can call Turkish Alevis shiite) are overrepresented in the old administrative and managerial class, they are more secular and tend to the left politically. Atatürk was one of them. I believe in Syria, there is also a social class effect, with the Alevites (Shiites) economically better off, the Assad family being Shiites, and also less conservative than the Sunnis who were exposed to Saudi Salafi propaganda influence.

  58. Coming from a culture where women largely stayed at home, he grew enraged with his wife as she was learning how to drive…

    That car is guilty of “alienation of affection”, or its Afghan equivalent!

    When his daughter enrolled in college, he tried to force her to bring her brother to class as a chaperone.

    The fee is lower if you audit a class.

    Though Mr. Syed claimed to have fought the Taliban in Afghanistan, no record of military service has emerged so far.

    Whence do Afghan military records “emerge”?

    Why was the killer allowed into the United States?

    Our problem is not with what he did– that would be white supremacist. (Really, it would.) No, our problem is only where he did it.

    Of course, many Americans are not aware that New Mexico is part of America, and has been for 175 years:

    New Mexico Olympic Fan Runs Into Geography Gaffe

    • Replies: @Veteran Aryan
    @Reg Cæsar


    That car is guilty of “alienation of affection”, or its Afghan equivalent!
     
    New Mexico is one of only six states with alienation of affection laws. The others are Hawaii, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Dakota, and Utah.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @EdwardM
    @Reg Cæsar

    I tried to convert my New Mexico driver's license in Qatar (which they do for American licenses) and had a really hard time establishing that this was from the U.S.A. I offered to show the bureaucrat a Google map. Eventually he just relented; white privilege is alive and well!

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anonymous, @epebble

  59. @Bill Jones
    Are we surprised?
    Of course not.
    Will it change anything?
    Of course not.



    Here, I hate to do this but have some good news for a change.


    London Sex Change Clinic For Kids Shut Down And Sued By 1000 Families
     
    https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/tavistock-london-sex-change-clinic-kids-shut-down-and-sued-1000-families


    Perhaps we've reached the apogee of this particular perversion.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Almost Missouri, @Anonymous, @Rob McX

    Here’s another sign that may be encouraging. You probably don’t know what a period dignity officer is, but Scotland has just appointed its first. At least people are getting mad because it’s a man, after all they’ve been told about periods not being a female monopoly.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @Rob McX

    A country with a period dignity officer is terminally ill.
    "'It's about making people aware of the availability of period products for anyone of any gender, whenever they need it."

    Do transwomen need period products? Do women need a public official to buy tampons? Sadly, I fear we've not reached peak madness, because ten years ago we believed things couldn't get worse!

    Replies: @jsm, @Reg Cæsar

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Rob McX


    You probably don’t know what a period dignity officer is, but Scotland has just appointed its first.
     
    Wouldn't that be a "full stop dignity officer"?
  60. @ForeverCARealist
    @Daniel H

    I've never been to Albuquerque, but my son was just there. He said it was like a poorer version of Phoenix.

    Gallup, NM, is a big ghetto, and the small towns in the Navajo section look awful. A friend who worked in Los Alamos said it was UMC, but that might be the only part of that state with any $.

    If people want to save the least among us, they should focus on getting the natives of NM off welfare and out of squalor.

    Replies: @Daniel H, @prosa123, @AnotherDad

    Gallup, NM, is a big ghetto, and the small towns in the Navajo section look awful. A friend who worked in Los Alamos said it was UMC, but that might be the only part of that state with any \$.

    Rio Rancho. An excellent suburb of Albuquerque.

  61. @Whiskey
    The bottom line is that the Ruling Class HATES you and wants you DEAD. They can only be happy if you are miserable. Look at Bill Gates. His life will only have meaning if you are stuck in a shipping container with 10 other random people from the third world with stabbings every night, eating a bowl of cockroaches for dinner.

    Otherwise he cannot be happy.

    Other groups of various racial and ethnic backgrounds hold that all White people are genetically evil, bear hereditary blood guilt, and must be destroyed.

    So of course mass third world migration will continue until these goals are achieved. The only possible alternatives are catastrophic military defeat by Russia and China both, and some Stalin like figure to stabilize things by ruthless suppression and deportation of non-Whites. The one thing we have going for us is that Central America and Afghanistan do not support global military power. And rulers do like Global Military power.

    Peace has given you diversity and mass third world immigration. All we are saying, is give War a Chance. Peace is over, if you want it.

    Replies: @BB753

    I was agreeing with you until you mentioned Joe Stalin. So war is good because defeat is inevitable? Worse is better? Better nuked than woke?

  62. @ForeverCARealist
    @Daniel H

    I've never been to Albuquerque, but my son was just there. He said it was like a poorer version of Phoenix.

    Gallup, NM, is a big ghetto, and the small towns in the Navajo section look awful. A friend who worked in Los Alamos said it was UMC, but that might be the only part of that state with any $.

    If people want to save the least among us, they should focus on getting the natives of NM off welfare and out of squalor.

    Replies: @Daniel H, @prosa123, @AnotherDad

    I’ve never been to Albuquerque, but my son was just there. He said it was like a poorer version of Phoenix.

    It’s a very different setup geographically. Alburqueue is at altitude. 6000ish ft–higher than Denver. –with the Sandia mountains rising strikingly to the east another 4000 ft. And more mountains north toward Santa Fe, and of course, Taos. (Had a job offer in Albuquerque there back in the 80s. Which I kicked around a bit as I thought the setup was pretty nice.) While Phoenix is a low level (1000ft) desert bowl, not really visually appealing (except from the air). You have to drive out of town.

    And Phoenix is hot. If you’re only planning to live there during the winter–great. You’ll get 70 and sunny, while Alburquerque will be 50 and sunny and go below freezing overnight. But come summer Albuquerque will be a perfectly respectable 90, while Phoenix will be 100+ and not even give you desert cool at night because of the massive urban heat island effect.

    The problem with everywhere in NM is the demographics. It really is New Mexico. Our most Hispanic state–though California and Texas are catching up!–with many of them long rooted there since ceded from Mexico. Haven’t seen 2020 census data, but probably will be majority Hispanic now. The upside, of course, is it’s low on extra-vibrancy.

    Albuquerque strikes me as fine place to live … except you–if white–have to be comfortable living as an ethnic minority in a Mexican-American society.

    • Thanks: bomag
  63. “Syed was explosive, violent, always seeking revenge,” said Sharif Ahmadi Hadi, an Afghan immigrant who, together with his brother, opened a halal market serving Albuquerque’s growing Muslim community and knew the Syed family. “We left Afghanistan to get away from people like him. But they followed us here.” …

    Our “invade-invite” has to be dumbest demographic policy imaginable. (Other, i guess, than Jim Jones style mass suicide.)

    I prefer “leave ’em alone” sanity.

    But if we have to muck with someplace causing us trouble, then next time let’s at least go with the classic “kill any men making trouble and enjoy the women”.

    If we’d done that, Afghanistan would now be peaceful joint of orchards, with some terrific hiking, climbing and rafting recreation. And the next generation of Afghans would be a few IQ points smarter, more conscientious, less hotheaded and better looking.

  64. Did nobody else read this story and think “Ah, so that’s it. It wasn’t a hate crime, it was an honour killing.” Does the template of Muslim honour killing not exist at the NYT?

    The importance of honour in Muslim life cannot be exaggerated. I knew two twenty-something Pakistanis who were all set to marry each other, by approval not arrangement. He was a computer scientist, she a trainee architect and they came from modestly prosperous, socially compatible backgrounds both here and in Pakistan. Then disaster struck at a dinner party. The head of one family got up to speak and said that he was delighted to approve the marriage. He would graciously overlook the fact that the groom’s grandfather had, before his conversion to Islam, been a Sikh by birth. That did it. The head of the other family had had his izzat – his honour – questioned and refused to approve the marriage. I believe that the couple finally married anyway, but that was exceptional.

    And these were intelligent, educated people who understood western culture. They could tell a joke from an insult, they knew that a Christmas tree has no religious significance and that bare arms and legs are not the sign of a prostitute. Rotherham. Rushdie. There are plenty of stupid, ignorant people who do not. In Afghanistan, behaviour like this is perfectly normal.

  65. @Rob McX
    @YetAnotherAnon

    I wonder how many of these old "Roma" are ethnically Gypsy. They could be just British people who took to the roads centuries ago, in the same way as the Irish Travellers. I don't see much in the media nowadays about these long-established English Gypsies, good or bad.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home), @Daniel H

    Albert Lee, English guitarist. Never a major rock start but on everybody’s list of the best guitarists. Said to be of English Roma descent. Sure looks it. No Anglo/Norman/Danish in this fella.

    • Replies: @Daniel H
    @Daniel H

    But it really does seem a stretch for Michael Caine to claim Roma descent.

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d1/e0/dc/d1e0dc842621c07647332ba0b44c558f.jpg

    , @anon
    @Daniel H


    Albert Lee, English guitarist. Never a major rock start but on everybody’s list of the best guitarists. Said to be of English Roma descent. Sure looks it. No Anglo/Norman/Danish in this fella.
     
    He could pass for Polish or Lithuanian.

    Replies: @Daniel H

    , @BB753
    @Daniel H

    English Roma are very mixed with the native population. They have white skin.

  66. @Daniel H
    @Rob McX

    Albert Lee, English guitarist. Never a major rock start but on everybody's list of the best guitarists. Said to be of English Roma descent. Sure looks it. No Anglo/Norman/Danish in this fella.

    https://c8.alamy.com/comp/E0T90C/albert-lee-english-guitarist-portrait-with-guitar-circa-1970s-E0T90C.jpg

    Replies: @Daniel H, @anon, @BB753

    But it really does seem a stretch for Michael Caine to claim Roma descent.

  67. @AndrewR
    @Hypnotoad666

    I think the Shia tend to be much higher quality than Sunnis. Not coincidentally they also tend to be whiter than Sunnis.

    Replies: @Muggles, @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr., @anon

    I think the Shia tend to be much higher quality than Sunnis. Not coincidentally they also tend to be whiter than Sunnis.

    Yes, Indo-European Iranians are predominantly Shiite whereas the Semitic Arabs are predominantly Sunni.

  68. Anonymous[325] • Disclaimer says:

    More cowbell …

    Pakistani doctor pleads guilty to terror charge in Minnesota

    ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP) — A Pakistani doctor and former Mayo Clinic research coordinator has pleaded guilty to a terrorism charge, more than two years after he was arrested for telling paid FBI informants that he pledged his allegiance to the Islamic State group. Muhammad Masood pleaded guilty Tuesday to one count of attempting to provide material support to a foreign terrorist group. Masood was arrested in 2020 at the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport. Authorities say he had expressed a desire to travel to Syria to fight for ISIS and a desire to carry out lone wolf attacks in the U.S. A sentencing date has not been set. The Mayo Clinic previously confirmed that Masood formerly worked at the medical center, but said he was not employed there when he was arrested.

  69. @Altai

    But only other immigrants are allowed to complain about immigrants.
     
    Still the best is the time high profile British politician David Blunkett articulated complaints about Roma by Pakistanis in his constituency that if made by English, sorry, White British, people would have caused the media to eviscerate him.

    David Blunkett riot fear over Roma migrant tensions

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-24909979

    ‘A time bomb’: how social tensions are rising in a corner of northern England

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/03/roma-tire-shouldering-blame-boiling-pot-communities

    The Roma are only present because the neocons in Washington actively encouraged the expansion of the EU into the former Warsaw pact (We have seen how well that project as gone at it's apex) despite those places having nothing to offer Western Europe and expanding it's borders into them encouraging more migrants to try reaching Western Europe through them. When Romania and Bulgaria had it's citizens gain the right to move and work in any other EU country it led to a flood of Roma. Interestingly in Page Hall, where all this is happening, the Roma are from Slovakia so must have been more established since Slovakia got right to work and live in 2004.

    The Roma, of course, like other vagrant clannish peoples are highly antisocial towards outgroups, acting like parasites and tend to produce intense hatred. Albeit this could be said to a lesser extent about the Pakistanis but the types of people who might observe this are the wrong ethnicity so the open ethnic hatred of Pakistanis against Roma must be understood and heard. That the Pakistanis and Roma get into so much trouble with each precisely because the Pakistanis are too much like the Roma compared to other large groups is left unmentioned. In a way the Guardian piece is as much cathartic chance to express cryptic English resentful observations on them as anything else. Incidentally, no mention will be made about how Brexit removes more such people coming going forward. Mention is made about how Brexit will make things worse by removing EU funding for 'integration' of Roma, but if the authoritarian regimes of the communist Balkans failed I doubt 'integration programmes' (Themselves an admission that Roma are a problem) will help. The removal of any more Roma immigration is obviously much more beneficial.


    It was an unusually heavy response to a fight in a school canteen: a police helicopter, police dog and 15 police vehicles all rushed to Fir Vale Academy in Page Hall, Sheffield, one Tuesday in late September.

    The drama, inevitably, was caught on camera. The screaming in the dinner hall, children climbing on tables to escape. Outside, a teenage girl in handcuffs, face-down on a police car; the man in a tracksuit being mauled by a police dog. A pupil had texted false talk of a knife fight, and parents had been trying to scale the fence to reach the school.

    ...

    Five years ago, David Blunkett, serving his final years as an MP, warned that Page Hall, a multicultural district of Sheffield which had become one of the city’s most deprived areas after the decline of the steel industry, was a “boiling pot” waiting to spill over. Describing tensions between the more established Pakistani community and an influx of Slovakian Roma people, whom he said needed to make more of an effort to fit in, he told BBC Radio Sheffield: “We have to change the behaviour and the culture of the incoming community, the Roma community, because there’s going to be an explosion otherwise. We all know that.” Blunkett feared a repeat of violence that erupted between Asian and white youths in Bradford and other cities in 2001.

    Though they wouldn’t say so publicly, officials from communities all over the country with a sudden high concentration of Roma residents recognised the tensions Blunkett described. In Rotherham, Doncaster, Derby, Peterborough, Glasgow and Luton, the local authorities continue to grapple with the challenges brought by their new Roma residents since EU expansion into eastern Europe in the 2000s. Many fear that Brexit will result in the loss of funding from the EU through the European Social Fund, undoing any progress that has been made.


    The last, most scientific, attempt at estimating the UK’s Roma population, by Salford University in 2013, put it at just under 200,000. That has almost certainly ballooned. As EU citizens, mostly from Slovakia, the Czech Republic, Poland, Hungary and Romania, Roma do not have to register on arrival. So local authorities tried to make their own estimates based on school admissions and GP registrations – neither terribly reliable considering the Roma mistrust of authority, stemming from deep-rooted discrimination in their home countries.

    Like many new arrivals, the Roma have tended to stick together. They rent poor-quality private accommodation in the cheapest areas and toil in the sort of unskilled, low-paid jobs many Britons snub. Big families cram into two-bed terraced houses.

    In many rapidly changing neighbourhoods, tensions over noise, antisocial behaviour and litter quickly surfaced with the more established residents. Usually of immigrant background themselves, many of them had worked in the same minimum-wage jobs on arrival as the Roma but had managed to buy their properties. The flow of Roma has slowed since the Brexit vote brought an increase in hate crime, but in a letter to parents after the canteen fight at Fir Vale, the soon-to-be-ousted headteacher said 24 new pupils had started in the week after the incident.

    Six miles north-east of Page Hall is Eastwood, a suburb of Rotherham. Ever since she was elected to represent the town in 2012, Sarah Champion MP has been receiving complaints about litter, fly-tipping and antisocial behaviour, blamed on Roma arrivals. For a long time, the complaints came from white British and British Pakistani people who had bought their homes before EU enlargement, said the Labour MP. “There are people who put all their savings into their homes and find how they are worth less than they paid for them. They are stuck. They can’t leave the area. It’s a nightmare,” she said. A two-bed terrace on Milton Road, one of the most fly-tipped streets, sold in 2015 for £38,000. Four years previously it had been bought for £59,950.

    Most recently, postal workers said they were so frightened delivering in Eastwood after being mugged for their parcels that they no longer went out alone. “They are terrified because of the level of intimidation,’” said Champion. She went out on a round with two postal workers: “If I wasn’t with two post people, I would have been running away. I was really shocked how bad it was.”

    But as their English improves, the Roma want to defend themselves. Recently, Champion went to a meeting of about 40 Eastwood Roma residents, who said they felt intimidated and victimised in their own homes, let alone the streets. “They talked of bullying and degradation, and they were saying that it was the Pakistanis who were doing it,” said the MP. She said the “disreputable” landlords renting to Roma were almost exclusively Pakistanis, happy to take high rents for substandard properties, secure that the Roma would not complain.

     

    The Guardian still can't help itself, failing to define numbers (There are few professions majority immigrant) about jobs 'Britons snub'. The Roma are hated because they don't like work but like Mafia types liking spivery. It's not that they can't it's that they prefer the alternatives.

    In all the Guardian just catalogues a list of painful intractable problems and lowering of quality of life that could all have been avoided if Britain had implemented along with almost all the rest of the existing EU, the blocking of the right to move and work for the Eastern European states for 5 years or if they had never joined the EU at all. Ditto if immigration from Pakistan was never allowed.

    But when 'White British' people did something to solve these problems, voting for Brexit they get endless hate and when they notice the problems of immigrant groups they are despised. But when the Pakistanis literally attacked Roma in the street, it's something to be calmly understood.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Clyde, @Achmed E. Newman, @MEH 0910, @LP5, @bomag, @Rob McX, @JohnnyWalker123

    Whites are under foreign occupation govt, but they’ve yet to fully comprehend that.

    If there’s any good news, it’s that some are finally starting to realize their rulers are ethnically dissimilar to them.

  70. @Daniel H
    @Rob McX

    Albert Lee, English guitarist. Never a major rock start but on everybody's list of the best guitarists. Said to be of English Roma descent. Sure looks it. No Anglo/Norman/Danish in this fella.

    https://c8.alamy.com/comp/E0T90C/albert-lee-english-guitarist-portrait-with-guitar-circa-1970s-E0T90C.jpg

    Replies: @Daniel H, @anon, @BB753

    Albert Lee, English guitarist. Never a major rock start but on everybody’s list of the best guitarists. Said to be of English Roma descent. Sure looks it. No Anglo/Norman/Danish in this fella.

    He could pass for Polish or Lithuanian.

    • Replies: @Daniel H
    @anon


    He could pass for Polish or Lithuanian.
     
    No. He does not look one bit Polish or Lithuanian. Dude, you've got to get out more.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  71. First time in London and it’s really stunning how many Muslims are here. They’re very noticeable with their traditional garbs, I’d guess half of the women are fully covered.

    What madness caused the Brits to do this?

    • Replies: @James N. Kennett
    @Ed

    After 9/11, many Muslim women in Britain started covering up. And in common with most other Western countries, Britain has allowed so much Muslim immigration since 9/11 that its Muslim population has doubled.

    When 5% of your population follow the Religion of Peace, certain precautions are necessary. People on pedestrianised streets need protection from jihadist truckers, by the installation of steel barriers or huge concrete blocks. In some places this is considered necessary only during an exceptionally provocative event, such as a Christmas street market.

    When 10% follow the R.O.P. as in France, Jihadist attacks are much more common. It is literally a crime to point out these facts, or to suggest that we learn appropriate lessons.

    , @kaganovitch
    @Ed

    What madness caused the Brits to do this?

    David Lean and Peter O'Toole can share the blame.

  72. @AndrewR
    @Hypnotoad666

    I think the Shia tend to be much higher quality than Sunnis. Not coincidentally they also tend to be whiter than Sunnis.

    Replies: @Muggles, @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr., @anon

    I think the Shia tend to be much higher quality than Sunnis.

    well let them argue the finer points over there and not here. please?

  73. @Daniel H
    @ForeverCARealist

    NM is one of the most dysfunctional states in the union. I believe that only Mississippi has worse social welfare metrics. And what a pity because it is beautiful. From the 60s-90s, that great west migration of easterners and middle westerners completely bypassed NM and went to Arizona.

    Replies: @anon, @prosa123

    NM is one of the most dysfunctional states in the union.

    you sir are correct.

    this creature did not help at all,
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Richardson

  74. @anon
    @Daniel H


    Albert Lee, English guitarist. Never a major rock start but on everybody’s list of the best guitarists. Said to be of English Roma descent. Sure looks it. No Anglo/Norman/Danish in this fella.
     
    He could pass for Polish or Lithuanian.

    Replies: @Daniel H

    He could pass for Polish or Lithuanian.

    No. He does not look one bit Polish or Lithuanian. Dude, you’ve got to get out more.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Daniel H

    Yeah, maybe German because of the eyes, but he has literally no overlap of any classic Polish features.

  75. @Daniel H
    @anon


    He could pass for Polish or Lithuanian.
     
    No. He does not look one bit Polish or Lithuanian. Dude, you've got to get out more.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Yeah, maybe German because of the eyes, but he has literally no overlap of any classic Polish features.

  76. @Anonymous
    @Bill Jones

    This is going to end up like the satanic daycare hysteria of the 1980s and recovered-memory panic of the 1990s.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Wrong comparison, this was 100% respectable, establishmentarian, and backed by academia, so it’s like lobotomy and shock treatment.

  77. @Ed
    First time in London and it’s really stunning how many Muslims are here. They’re very noticeable with their traditional garbs, I’d guess half of the women are fully covered.

    What madness caused the Brits to do this?

    Replies: @James N. Kennett, @kaganovitch

    After 9/11, many Muslim women in Britain started covering up. And in common with most other Western countries, Britain has allowed so much Muslim immigration since 9/11 that its Muslim population has doubled.

    When 5% of your population follow the Religion of Peace, certain precautions are necessary. People on pedestrianised streets need protection from jihadist truckers, by the installation of steel barriers or huge concrete blocks. In some places this is considered necessary only during an exceptionally provocative event, such as a Christmas street market.

    When 10% follow the R.O.P. as in France, Jihadist attacks are much more common. It is literally a crime to point out these facts, or to suggest that we learn appropriate lessons.

  78. The US is not alone in its madness.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11093091/Afghan-passenger-jet-hijacker-jailed-life-axe-attack-wife.html

    Afghan hijacker who seized passenger jet and flew it to UK is jailed for life for axe attack on his wife

    Safi and eight accomplices held 156 passengers and crew hostage for three days after landing at Stansted in February 2000, claiming they did so to escape a Taliban death squad.

    The eight hijackers were jailed for five years but the convictions were quashed in 2003 when the court of appeal found the trial judge had made errors when summing up.

    Safi has two sexual assault convictions for groping passengers when he worked as a taxi driver in 2016. He also has a caution for assaulting his estranged wife in 2014. Safi was jailed for a minimum of 18 years for the attempted murder [of his wife] and 28 months for biting his daughter, to run concurrently.

    “Life imprisonment” is the laughable British term for a sentence of indeterminate length. The judge recommends a minimum term, in this case 18 years.

  79. @Diversity Heretic
    Admitting violent, low-IQ, unassimilable foreigners is a feature, not a bug, of the present immigration system.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Hypnotoad666, @Dream

    America does accept lots of high IQ foreigners.

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
    @Dream

    So the C in "C-Suite" stands for "Curry"?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @bomag
    @Dream

    Can't help but think they got there with some help from the Diversity finger on the scale.

    Have they really been an upgrade over the non-diverse not hired?

    And the immigrant success stories are used to justify the Afghan Future Coder League, and the continued roll into overall negative territory.

  80. anon[393] • Disclaimer says:
    @Muggles
    @AndrewR


    I think the Shia tend to be much higher quality than Sunnis. Not coincidentally they also tend to be whiter than Sunnis.
     
    Uh, well, no...

    The original Shia sect mainly went north to Iran and parts of Iraq/Syria and even Turkey. Some got as far as Afghanistan/Pakistan. Much of the Islam of Turkic/Mongol central Asia is Shia derived as a result of Mongol invasions of Persia and related. Only later, and partly, the Sunni Arab areas were attacked.

    As to "better quality" that is a broad generalization. Shia Islam can be more socially tolerant as it hasn't been exclusively defined by the Mecca-centric Arab mullahs and scholars. Very harsh rules from the desert tribal version of Islam.

    However Shia followers are the original Sore Losers and have long been violently at war with Sunni factions. Most inter-Muslim violence is due to Shia attacks on Sunnis (and later, retaliation by Sunnis).

    If there is a knowledgeable Muslim reader on iSteve, they should chime in. Come 'on man...

    (Okay, we'll settle for an actual Rabbi. None there either...?)

    Replies: @anon, @Occasional lurker

    Much of the Islam of Turkic/Mongol central Asia is Shia derived

    You must have very expansive definitions of “much”, and “derived”. All 5 central Asian countries are Sunni majority, even Tajikistan, with it’s Persian-branch language and culture. Same for Afghanistan and its Pashto. Some large groups, like the Kazakhs, have almost no Shia at all. Every majority Turkic language country and sub-region (eg in Russia) is Sunni majority except Azerbaijan. It, Lebanon, Iraq and Iran are the only Shia majority countries. And Lebanon barely (and it’s small and somewhat secular anyway).

  81. @Daniel H
    @Rob McX

    Albert Lee, English guitarist. Never a major rock start but on everybody's list of the best guitarists. Said to be of English Roma descent. Sure looks it. No Anglo/Norman/Danish in this fella.

    https://c8.alamy.com/comp/E0T90C/albert-lee-english-guitarist-portrait-with-guitar-circa-1970s-E0T90C.jpg

    Replies: @Daniel H, @anon, @BB753

    English Roma are very mixed with the native population. They have white skin.

  82. @Ed
    First time in London and it’s really stunning how many Muslims are here. They’re very noticeable with their traditional garbs, I’d guess half of the women are fully covered.

    What madness caused the Brits to do this?

    Replies: @James N. Kennett, @kaganovitch

    What madness caused the Brits to do this?

    David Lean and Peter O’Toole can share the blame.

  83. @Daniel H
    @ForeverCARealist

    NM is one of the most dysfunctional states in the union. I believe that only Mississippi has worse social welfare metrics. And what a pity because it is beautiful. From the 60s-90s, that great west migration of easterners and middle westerners completely bypassed NM and went to Arizona.

    Replies: @anon, @prosa123

    “NM is one of the most dysfunctional states”

    New York is far worse. Case in point: the Second Avenue Subway. Still incomplete after 100 years.

  84. @Reg Cæsar

    Coming from a culture where women largely stayed at home, he grew enraged with his wife as she was learning how to drive...
     
    That car is guilty of "alienation of affection", or its Afghan equivalent!

    When his daughter enrolled in college, he tried to force her to bring her brother to class as a chaperone.
     
    The fee is lower if you audit a class.

    Though Mr. Syed claimed to have fought the Taliban in Afghanistan, no record of military service has emerged so far.
     
    Whence do Afghan military records "emerge"?

    Why was the killer allowed into the United States?
     
    Our problem is not with what he did-- that would be white supremacist. (Really, it would.) No, our problem is only where he did it.

    Of course, many Americans are not aware that New Mexico is part of America, and has been for 175 years:

    New Mexico Olympic Fan Runs Into Geography Gaffe

    Replies: @Veteran Aryan, @EdwardM

    That car is guilty of “alienation of affection”, or its Afghan equivalent!

    New Mexico is one of only six states with alienation of affection laws. The others are Hawaii, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Dakota, and Utah.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Veteran Aryan


    New Mexico is one of only six states with alienation of affection laws.
     
    It's also the only one of those with community property. That must result in some fascinating case law.
  85. @Rob McX
    @Bill Jones

    Here's another sign that may be encouraging. You probably don't know what a period dignity officer is, but Scotland has just appointed its first. At least people are getting mad because it's a man, after all they've been told about periods not being a female monopoly.

    Replies: @BB753, @Reg Cæsar

    A country with a period dignity officer is terminally ill.
    “‘It’s about making people aware of the availability of period products for anyone of any gender, whenever they need it.”

    Do transwomen need period products? Do women need a public official to buy tampons? Sadly, I fear we’ve not reached peak madness, because ten years ago we believed things couldn’t get worse!

    • Agree: Rob McX
    • Replies: @jsm
    @BB753


    Do transwomen need period products?
     
    No, but "transmen" do. That is, if they've not had their hysterectomies, yet.

    I'd like to believe everybody is just being facetious, but I'm starting to fear not, so let me explain it.

    XY people do not have periods.

    XX people who "identify" as men are the ones being referred to when they tell you that men can have periods.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @BB753


    A country with a period dignity officer is terminally ill... Do transwomen need period products? Do women need a public official to buy tampons?
     
    This 20,000-year-old tally stick may have been the tool of such an officer:

    The Ishango Bone: The World’s Oldest Period Tracker?

    Were they using NFP on the shores of Lake Edward that long ago? The Lebombo bone is twice as old, but no menstrual claims have been made for that one, yet.

    Replies: @BB753

  86. @Muggles
    @AndrewR


    I think the Shia tend to be much higher quality than Sunnis. Not coincidentally they also tend to be whiter than Sunnis.
     
    Uh, well, no...

    The original Shia sect mainly went north to Iran and parts of Iraq/Syria and even Turkey. Some got as far as Afghanistan/Pakistan. Much of the Islam of Turkic/Mongol central Asia is Shia derived as a result of Mongol invasions of Persia and related. Only later, and partly, the Sunni Arab areas were attacked.

    As to "better quality" that is a broad generalization. Shia Islam can be more socially tolerant as it hasn't been exclusively defined by the Mecca-centric Arab mullahs and scholars. Very harsh rules from the desert tribal version of Islam.

    However Shia followers are the original Sore Losers and have long been violently at war with Sunni factions. Most inter-Muslim violence is due to Shia attacks on Sunnis (and later, retaliation by Sunnis).

    If there is a knowledgeable Muslim reader on iSteve, they should chime in. Come 'on man...

    (Okay, we'll settle for an actual Rabbi. None there either...?)

    Replies: @anon, @Occasional lurker

    The “higher quality” idea I believe mainly comes from the fact that Persians tend to be better educated and informed than Arabs, plus Iranian expats tend to be middle/upper class, or maybe that is the whole effect. Turks, too, tend to be “higher quality” or are somewhat easier to integrate than Arabs, depending on the region. In Turkey, the 1/3 of Shiites (if you can call Turkish Alevis shiite) are overrepresented in the old administrative and managerial class, they are more secular and tend to the left politically. Atatürk was one of them. I believe in Syria, there is also a social class effect, with the Alevites (Shiites) economically better off, the Assad family being Shiites, and also less conservative than the Sunnis who were exposed to Saudi Salafi propaganda influence.

  87. @Veteran Aryan
    @Reg Cæsar


    That car is guilty of “alienation of affection”, or its Afghan equivalent!
     
    New Mexico is one of only six states with alienation of affection laws. The others are Hawaii, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Dakota, and Utah.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    New Mexico is one of only six states with alienation of affection laws.

    It’s also the only one of those with community property. That must result in some fascinating case law.

  88. @Rob McX
    @Bill Jones

    Here's another sign that may be encouraging. You probably don't know what a period dignity officer is, but Scotland has just appointed its first. At least people are getting mad because it's a man, after all they've been told about periods not being a female monopoly.

    Replies: @BB753, @Reg Cæsar

    You probably don’t know what a period dignity officer is, but Scotland has just appointed its first.

    Wouldn’t that be a “full stop dignity officer”?

  89. @BB753
    @Rob McX

    A country with a period dignity officer is terminally ill.
    "'It's about making people aware of the availability of period products for anyone of any gender, whenever they need it."

    Do transwomen need period products? Do women need a public official to buy tampons? Sadly, I fear we've not reached peak madness, because ten years ago we believed things couldn't get worse!

    Replies: @jsm, @Reg Cæsar

    Do transwomen need period products?

    No, but “transmen” do. That is, if they’ve not had their hysterectomies, yet.

    I’d like to believe everybody is just being facetious, but I’m starting to fear not, so let me explain it.

    XY people do not have periods.

    XX people who “identify” as men are the ones being referred to when they tell you that men can have periods.

  90. @Dream
    @Diversity Heretic

    America does accept lots of high IQ foreigners.

    https://twitter.com/archiexzzz/status/1559179695232811008?t=IUKHw2USKmrpAtRb6S_tnQ&s=19

    Replies: @AceDeuce, @bomag

    So the C in “C-Suite” stands for “Curry”?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @AceDeuce

    CEO = curry-eating overseer

  91. @Reg Cæsar

    Coming from a culture where women largely stayed at home, he grew enraged with his wife as she was learning how to drive...
     
    That car is guilty of "alienation of affection", or its Afghan equivalent!

    When his daughter enrolled in college, he tried to force her to bring her brother to class as a chaperone.
     
    The fee is lower if you audit a class.

    Though Mr. Syed claimed to have fought the Taliban in Afghanistan, no record of military service has emerged so far.
     
    Whence do Afghan military records "emerge"?

    Why was the killer allowed into the United States?
     
    Our problem is not with what he did-- that would be white supremacist. (Really, it would.) No, our problem is only where he did it.

    Of course, many Americans are not aware that New Mexico is part of America, and has been for 175 years:

    New Mexico Olympic Fan Runs Into Geography Gaffe

    Replies: @Veteran Aryan, @EdwardM

    I tried to convert my New Mexico driver’s license in Qatar (which they do for American licenses) and had a really hard time establishing that this was from the U.S.A. I offered to show the bureaucrat a Google map. Eventually he just relented; white privilege is alive and well!

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @EdwardM

    "There's a "new" Mexico?" -- Mr. Burns

    , @Anonymous
    @EdwardM

    There's a similar confusion between the state and city named after Washington.

    , @epebble
    @EdwardM

    I heard/read a story about a ticket vendor worker selling event tickets for 1996 Atlanta Olympic games advice a caller to contact a vendor in his country when she found out he is from New Mexico.

    I knew an office secretary who thought Philadelphia was a State.

  92. @EdwardM
    @Reg Cæsar

    I tried to convert my New Mexico driver's license in Qatar (which they do for American licenses) and had a really hard time establishing that this was from the U.S.A. I offered to show the bureaucrat a Google map. Eventually he just relented; white privilege is alive and well!

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anonymous, @epebble

    “There’s a “new” Mexico?” — Mr. Burns

  93. @Dream
    @Diversity Heretic

    America does accept lots of high IQ foreigners.

    https://twitter.com/archiexzzz/status/1559179695232811008?t=IUKHw2USKmrpAtRb6S_tnQ&s=19

    Replies: @AceDeuce, @bomag

    Can’t help but think they got there with some help from the Diversity finger on the scale.

    Have they really been an upgrade over the non-diverse not hired?

    And the immigrant success stories are used to justify the Afghan Future Coder League, and the continued roll into overall negative territory.

  94. @BB753
    @Rob McX

    A country with a period dignity officer is terminally ill.
    "'It's about making people aware of the availability of period products for anyone of any gender, whenever they need it."

    Do transwomen need period products? Do women need a public official to buy tampons? Sadly, I fear we've not reached peak madness, because ten years ago we believed things couldn't get worse!

    Replies: @jsm, @Reg Cæsar

    A country with a period dignity officer is terminally ill… Do transwomen need period products? Do women need a public official to buy tampons?

    This 20,000-year-old tally stick may have been the tool of such an officer:

    The Ishango Bone: The World’s Oldest Period Tracker?

    Were they using NFP on the shores of Lake Edward that long ago? The Lebombo bone is twice as old, but no menstrual claims have been made for that one, yet.

    • LOL: BB753
    • Replies: @BB753
    @Reg Cæsar

    "Women among modern foraging societies have around 160 ovulations in a lifetime starting around the age of 16, whereas modern American women have closer to 450—starting around the age of 12 ½. "

    Are we expected to believe that women in modern foraging societies only reach puberty at age sixteen?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  95. @AceDeuce
    @Dream

    So the C in "C-Suite" stands for "Curry"?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    CEO = curry-eating overseer

  96. He’s completely correct in his viewpoints, and behavior.
    The fact that White Men are condemning him shows why they deserve their genocide||

  97. @Reg Cæsar
    @BB753


    A country with a period dignity officer is terminally ill... Do transwomen need period products? Do women need a public official to buy tampons?
     
    This 20,000-year-old tally stick may have been the tool of such an officer:

    The Ishango Bone: The World’s Oldest Period Tracker?

    Were they using NFP on the shores of Lake Edward that long ago? The Lebombo bone is twice as old, but no menstrual claims have been made for that one, yet.

    Replies: @BB753

    “Women among modern foraging societies have around 160 ovulations in a lifetime starting around the age of 16, whereas modern American women have closer to 450—starting around the age of 12 ½. ”

    Are we expected to believe that women in modern foraging societies only reach puberty at age sixteen?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @BB753


    Are we expected to believe that women in modern foraging societies only reach puberty at age sixteen?
     
    That was true of our girls, too, until the industrial revolution.

    Replies: @BB753

  98. @LP5
    @Anonymous

    About that NHS sex change clinic:


    On the other hand, they are suing the NHS which means that Joe Taxpayer will end up footing the bill.
     
    What with all that imported vibrancy, or something, new Councils could have appropriate punishments meted out in the town square. You know, like hanging, amputation or, use your imagination here.

    Replies: @Escher

    You took the words out of my keyboard.
    These evil people deserve to undergo the same mutilations that they subjected their confused young victims to.

  99. @EdwardM
    @Reg Cæsar

    I tried to convert my New Mexico driver's license in Qatar (which they do for American licenses) and had a really hard time establishing that this was from the U.S.A. I offered to show the bureaucrat a Google map. Eventually he just relented; white privilege is alive and well!

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anonymous, @epebble

    There’s a similar confusion between the state and city named after Washington.

  100. @BB753
    @Reg Cæsar

    "Women among modern foraging societies have around 160 ovulations in a lifetime starting around the age of 16, whereas modern American women have closer to 450—starting around the age of 12 ½. "

    Are we expected to believe that women in modern foraging societies only reach puberty at age sixteen?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Are we expected to believe that women in modern foraging societies only reach puberty at age sixteen?

    That was true of our girls, too, until the industrial revolution.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @Reg Cæsar

    Not in the warmer climates.

  101. @Reg Cæsar
    @BB753


    Are we expected to believe that women in modern foraging societies only reach puberty at age sixteen?
     
    That was true of our girls, too, until the industrial revolution.

    Replies: @BB753

    Not in the warmer climates.

  102. @EdwardM
    @Reg Cæsar

    I tried to convert my New Mexico driver's license in Qatar (which they do for American licenses) and had a really hard time establishing that this was from the U.S.A. I offered to show the bureaucrat a Google map. Eventually he just relented; white privilege is alive and well!

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anonymous, @epebble

    I heard/read a story about a ticket vendor worker selling event tickets for 1996 Atlanta Olympic games advice a caller to contact a vendor in his country when she found out he is from New Mexico.

    I knew an office secretary who thought Philadelphia was a State.

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