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From Orange County Weekly:

South Coast Plaza Looks a Lot More Chinese These Days–And It’s Not By Accident
By Charles Lam

NOVEMBER 25, 2015 | 19 DAYS AGO

… The quintessential mall for OC’s rich set, one of the most lucrative in the United States, is now a major tourist attraction for tens of thousands of Chinese: Orange County families having their second or later child, students parachuted into the United States to attend high school or college, corporate types staying for a quick meeting and some leisure time. …

Three distinct subsets of Chinese now haunt South Coast Plaza. The most obvious is people who come here for birth tourism. Many birthing house operators include trips to the mall as part of their up-to-$50,000 all-inclusive packages, (see “The OC Weekly Guide to Chinese Birth Tourism,” May 27). The trips are frequent enough that many expectant mothers—accompanied by nannies, their husbands, older children or chaperones—walk around the mall as a form of prenatal exercise, dropping into stores to browse. Many birth tourism homes are located within walking distance of the mall, making repeat visiting mothers a common occurrence.

Though the shopping center doesn’t directly market to birth tourists, South Coast is known enough in Chinese tourism circles that offering visits to the mall is a plus. Lately, large groups have become more common, especially as group walks around OC’s luxury apartment buildings that unwittingly serve as birth houses have drawn increased scrutiny since the summer months. The birth tourists are easiest to find in the middle of the day, when all of the businesses are open, and the walkways are less crowded. …

Birth tourism — illegally spending just enough time in America so your child can exploit America’s naive birthright citizenship rule — demonstrates the cash scarcity value of American citizenship that America’s leadership seems intent on giving away to random foreign grifters.

Because, as we all know, birth tourists are the Real Americans.

The last major clan of Chinese nationals at South Coast Plaza are high-school- and college-aged kids sent to the U.S. alone to get educated. Often the children of China’s wealthiest class, they’re the conspicuous consumers, spending without pause at Louis Vuitton, Rolex and the like. They’re easiest to find at nights, when the stores are preparing to close, and can be identified by their fashion-forward dress and lack of interaction with anyone who’s not a direct friend.

There are some snarky details about how Chinese princelings won’t acknowledge sales clerks, although Mr. Lam doesn’t explain why not: class consciousness or shyness?

 
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  1. A serious question. does eugenics justify ethnic cleansing, if the average IQ of germans can be raised by 6 IQ points by importing 100 million Chinese from Zhejiang, does that then justify ethnically cleansing the White Germans to make room for the Chinese? Why or why not?

    • Replies: @G Pinfold
    @rvg

    Possibly. But there are many other countries where the need for Chinese is far greater.

    , @bomag
    @rvg

    Within the German ethny, you are generally better off with a higher IQ German.

    Bringing in higher IQ Chinese introduces a whole suit of different characteristics beyond IQ, such as conscientiousness, inherent honesty, empathy for strangers/kin, aesthetic sensibility, etc.

    You don't see too many people moving to China for the ambiance and cultural appeal. If you are going to do eugenics, let us choose an appealing end stage.

    Replies: @V Vega

    , @AnAnon
    @rvg

    eugenics is not race replacement.

    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @rvg

    There is no justification for murdering the innocent. If you think otherwise you have signed your own death warrant (assuming you don't die before they come for you).

    , @ScarletNumber
    @rvg

    No, because the resultant population is no longer German.

    , @Anonymous
    @rvg

    It does not justify the ethnic cleansing of Germans...from Germany. If it's the OC, then I don't care.

    , @Anonymous
    @rvg


    does eugenics justify ethnic cleansing, if the average IQ of germans can be raised by 6 IQ points by importing 100 million Chinese from Zhejiang, does that then justify ethnically cleansing the White Germans to make room for the Chinese? Why or why not?


    There are IQ tests. There are IQ test takers. Then there are real world results.

    The Germans are the most accomplished high culture people on the planet of the past three centuries.

    The Americans are the most accomplished mid/low culture people.

    The idea that these peoples can be improved by importing hundreds of millions of Chinese is foul and demonic.

    , @bomag
    @rvg

    So to answer your question, gr4; no; eugenics does not justify ethnic cleansing.

    Eugenics is the improving of an existing race/ethnicity.

    Average IQ is not the driver of accomplishment. It is the outliers a group generates. Western Europeans have generated the intelligent outliers that solved the problems and crafted the high culture of the modern world. The Chinese, not so much.

    This ethnic boosterism of the Chinese will make things worse.

  2. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    You don’t need me to pontificate that there are well over one billion Chinese.

    Whilst wages in the west have stagnated for decades, wages in China have been skyrocketing, continually, for years. We must be at a point now where wages for a typical non-farm white collar, professional or skilled Chinese worker must compare favorably to those of middle income nations, if not western nations. That category of Chinese workers equates to, literally, to hundreds of millions – and their families.
    Now to those workers, a one-off payment of 50,000 dollars, especially when you compare it to the enormous lifetime leveraged benefits US citizenship confers, is not only eminently affordable, but the best bargain in the world – literally.

    So, the potential scale, in the very near future, of Chinese ‘package American maternity citizenship deals’ is likely to be enormous.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    Also, don't forget that there are well in excess of 1 billion Indians in the world.
    Their middle class has rising incomes too.

    If you think that the Chinese are 'gifted' by having 'an eye to the main chance', wait until you see the Indians.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @bomag
    @Anonymous

    the potential scale...of Chinese ‘...deals’ is likely to be enormous.

    Our leaders should be aware of this and head it off with proper policy.

    Thus ends my joke for the day.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  3. illegally spending just enough time in America so your child can exploit America’s naive birthright citizenship rule

    There’s nothing illegal about that, is there? — the only possible illegality involved is lying about the reason for the visit in order to get a visa. But since afaik it’s not illegal to travel to the US just to give birth, it’s not clear stating this intention would necessarily always result in denial of a visa — is there a legal reason to deny a visa and/or later entry to an obviously pregnant woman who says she’s coming to give birth? — has this ever happened and then been challenged in court? Many women do not clearly ‘show’ until later in their pregnancies, eg well into the 7th month — so if they have the money to finance a long-ish stay and the birth, women from visa waiver countries would face virtually no scrutiny.

    No serious country should allow unrestricted birthright citizenship or issue ‘diversity’ immigrant visas.

    • Replies: @NOTA
    @eah

    At the very least, if we're going to allow foreigners to more or less buy citizenship for their babies, the cash should be going to the government, not to some travel agency that sells them the package.

    Replies: @27 year old

    , @bomag
    @eah

    is there a legal reason to deny a visa and/or later entry to an obviously pregnant woman who says she’s coming to give birth

    We can deny visas for any reason. Coming here solely for birth is a form of fraud.

  4. Is Orange County the new San Gabriel Valley? Boba tea milk places and rice rockets everywhere.

  5. @Anonymous
    You don't need me to pontificate that there are well over one billion Chinese.

    Whilst wages in the west have stagnated for decades, wages in China have been skyrocketing, continually, for years. We must be at a point now where wages for a typical non-farm white collar, professional or skilled Chinese worker must compare favorably to those of middle income nations, if not western nations. That category of Chinese workers equates to, literally, to hundreds of millions - and their families.
    Now to those workers, a one-off payment of 50,000 dollars, especially when you compare it to the enormous lifetime leveraged benefits US citizenship confers, is not only eminently affordable, but the best bargain in the world - literally.

    So, the potential scale, in the very near future, of Chinese 'package American maternity citizenship deals' is likely to be enormous.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @bomag

    Also, don’t forget that there are well in excess of 1 billion Indians in the world.
    Their middle class has rising incomes too.

    If you think that the Chinese are ‘gifted’ by having ‘an eye to the main chance’, wait until you see the Indians.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Anonymous


    If you think that the Chinese are ‘gifted’ by having ‘an eye to the main chance’, wait until you see the Indians.
     
    Both groups, along with Mexicans, have very low rates of social assimilation and civic engagement (on top of that, Mexicans also have low economic assimilation).
  6. South Florida Sun Sentinel, 12/15/15 – ‘You have to give something to get something,’ woman says at bribery and fraud sentencing

    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/palm-beach/fl-fraud-bribery-sentencing-20151215-story.html

    Irma Davidian has worked both sides of the law. In the former Soviet Union, she prosecuted criminals. Then she came to South Florida, where she bribed government workers to approve benefits for needy clients. “You have to give something to get something,” she explained to the judge. He sentenced her to 10 years anyway.

    The Boca Raton woman admitted she paid off four state and federal employees in Broward County for years. With her help, her clients fraudulently claimed more than $5 million worth of Medicaid and food stamps and received more than $2.7 million from the government.

    Davidian, 52, was sentenced to 10 years in prison Tuesday and ordered to pay more than $2.7 million in restitution. She was immediately taken into custody, as her 86-year-old mother wept…

    The 86-year old Russian-immigrant mother will be 96 years old when the daughter gets out of jail; who’s going to look after her until then?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @E. Rekshun

    America, it's just an easy mark for the scammers of the world.

    Seriously, foreign grifters, smartphones, and sanctification of immigrants as a our moral superiors just are a weaponized combination for ripping America off.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Anonymous

  7. @E. Rekshun
    South Florida Sun Sentinel, 12/15/15 - 'You have to give something to get something,' woman says at bribery and fraud sentencing

    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/palm-beach/fl-fraud-bribery-sentencing-20151215-story.html

    Irma Davidian has worked both sides of the law. In the former Soviet Union, she prosecuted criminals. Then she came to South Florida, where she bribed government workers to approve benefits for needy clients. "You have to give something to get something," she explained to the judge. He sentenced her to 10 years anyway.

    The Boca Raton woman admitted she paid off four state and federal employees in Broward County for years. With her help, her clients fraudulently claimed more than $5 million worth of Medicaid and food stamps and received more than $2.7 million from the government.

    Davidian, 52, was sentenced to 10 years in prison Tuesday and ordered to pay more than $2.7 million in restitution. She was immediately taken into custody, as her 86-year-old mother wept...
     
    The 86-year old Russian-immigrant mother will be 96 years old when the daughter gets out of jail; who's going to look after her until then?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    America, it’s just an easy mark for the scammers of the world.

    Seriously, foreign grifters, smartphones, and sanctification of immigrants as a our moral superiors just are a weaponized combination for ripping America off.

    • Agree: E. Rekshun
    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Steve Sailer

    Yes, the U.S. is truly the land of the free (for the taking).

    , @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    And the Economist magazine is convinced that this is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

  8. @rvg
    A serious question. does eugenics justify ethnic cleansing, if the average IQ of germans can be raised by 6 IQ points by importing 100 million Chinese from Zhejiang, does that then justify ethnically cleansing the White Germans to make room for the Chinese? Why or why not?

    Replies: @G Pinfold, @bomag, @AnAnon, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @ScarletNumber, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @bomag

    Possibly. But there are many other countries where the need for Chinese is far greater.

  9. …and you would run out of Chinese before you lifted even Africa to where Germany is. But it’s a nice idea. Google Galton’s letter to The Times of 1875.

  10. @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    Also, don't forget that there are well in excess of 1 billion Indians in the world.
    Their middle class has rising incomes too.

    If you think that the Chinese are 'gifted' by having 'an eye to the main chance', wait until you see the Indians.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    If you think that the Chinese are ‘gifted’ by having ‘an eye to the main chance’, wait until you see the Indians.

    Both groups, along with Mexicans, have very low rates of social assimilation and civic engagement (on top of that, Mexicans also have low economic assimilation).

  11. Here’s what you have to keep in mind. The people “representing” us (stop laughing), their attendants and the army of “experts” buzzing around the Imperial Capital will never be in that mall or any other mall. They will not read stories like the one posted. The only stuff they read in the Post, Times or Journal is the gossip, which we think of as politics. The only reason they notice the policy stuff and editorials is it plays a minor role in the palace intrigue, which is what keeps them busy.

    Washington DC is a Renaissance city populated with peasants and a royal class separated from those peasants by armored vehicles, armed guards and high walls. This has been true for a long time. Way back when I worked for a Congressman, I felt like I should have been wearing a coonskin cap. I was that out of place when I first arrived from reality.

  12. “The last major clan of Chinese nationals at South Coast Plaza are high-school- and college-aged kids sent to the U.S. alone to get educated.”

    That’s how it works. Not all of them are rich; some families save up to send their brightest son. Get A’s or don’t come home. The brightest kids in California high schools are assured admission to the best schools in California’s public university system. That’s why:

    UC Berkley is 40% Asian (32% white)
    UC Davis is 39% Asian (29% white)
    UC Irvine is 46% Asian (16% white)
    UCLA is 30% Asian (27% white)

    By population, California is 12% Asian, the US is 4% Asian.

    Sine my son was a math and science kid in high school in a university town, naturally most of his “friends” were Asian. They all complained bitterly about quotas and policies that kept their numbers so low in the best colleges. They followed university admissions policies and racial demographics like baseball.

  13. Here’s the leading Russian birth tourism Company. You don’t need to be able to read Russian to get the imagery: 9-month pregnant woman near an American flag, U.S. passport, etc.

    http://miami-mama.com/

    I think the late Russian singer and actress Zhanna Friske was a client.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    Thanks, I'll post.

  14. If you’re one of those people for whom seeing is believing, take your pick of these videos:

    https://www.youtube.com/results?q=california%20birth%20tourism&sm=3

    Al Jazeera offers a nice, in depth video, hosted by a very pleasant woman in a hijab, for the benefit of Earth’s 1.5 billion Muslims who might be trying to figure out how to get a foothold in the USA:

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=WLJu3BJxpd0r

    The video is titled “Birth tourism delivers a new generation of US citizens.”

  15. “Birth tourism — illegally spending just enough time in America so your child can exploit America’s naive birthright citizenship rule — demonstrates the cash scarcity value of American citizenship that America’s leadership seems intent on giving away to random foreign grifters.”

    A nation of drifters and grifters.

    • Replies: @Olorin
    @Anonymous

    "drifters and grifters"

    I think the technical term for that is "diaspora."

  16. I went to Chinese supermarket in Arcadia. Southern Chinese are tiny. I felt like a monster sometimes and I’m average Korean height! Can’t imagine how you’d feel there.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Hacienda

    I'd feel happy. 50% of Whites are below the White average in height; 50% of the Whites are below the White average in weight. Some Whites are 1 standard deviation below the White average in height and 2 or 3 standard deviations below the White average in weight. Both of my parents are tiny by White standards, and I was a tiny kid. I'd actually welcome the opportunity to not feel like a midget for once.

  17. @rvg
    A serious question. does eugenics justify ethnic cleansing, if the average IQ of germans can be raised by 6 IQ points by importing 100 million Chinese from Zhejiang, does that then justify ethnically cleansing the White Germans to make room for the Chinese? Why or why not?

    Replies: @G Pinfold, @bomag, @AnAnon, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @ScarletNumber, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @bomag

    Within the German ethny, you are generally better off with a higher IQ German.

    Bringing in higher IQ Chinese introduces a whole suit of different characteristics beyond IQ, such as conscientiousness, inherent honesty, empathy for strangers/kin, aesthetic sensibility, etc.

    You don’t see too many people moving to China for the ambiance and cultural appeal. If you are going to do eugenics, let us choose an appealing end stage.

    • Replies: @V Vega
    @bomag

    Despite their collective high IQ scores, the Chinese collectively carry a trait one might call "emotionally autistic." This would diminish their edge significantly in their ethnic cleansing role.
    The history of a race might be the best measure of what to expect in the future, and China doesn't self-govern very well, and haven't fared well when challenged and under significant pressure, as the Japanese would tell you.
    I recall reading that prior to WWII, we had sent them dive-bombers for their use to repel the Japanese. After training, the Chinese were apt to bomb themselves, so much so that they begged us to send our own pilots to fly our own planes for bombing runs. In one incident, they bombed their own major department store, it was like their version of Macy's, killing or maiming hundreds of their own citizens.
    The Chinese pilot had bombed it because he thought he saw a Japanese Zero fighter, and immediately dropped his bomb load so he could flee. Turned out not to be a Japanese fighter. This didn't mitigate the dead Chinese in their bombed out "Macy's."
    That was the final incident that sent their diplomats begging for our help, as flying a bombing run proved too intense for our Chinese friends.
    I suspect IQ, and sound judgement under duress, can be somewhat mutually exclusive traits, so I'd hold off on the ethnic cleansing of Germans, if I were you.

    Replies: @Former Darfur

  18. @eah
    illegally spending just enough time in America so your child can exploit America’s naive birthright citizenship rule

    There's nothing illegal about that, is there? -- the only possible illegality involved is lying about the reason for the visit in order to get a visa. But since afaik it's not illegal to travel to the US just to give birth, it's not clear stating this intention would necessarily always result in denial of a visa -- is there a legal reason to deny a visa and/or later entry to an obviously pregnant woman who says she's coming to give birth? -- has this ever happened and then been challenged in court? Many women do not clearly 'show' until later in their pregnancies, eg well into the 7th month -- so if they have the money to finance a long-ish stay and the birth, women from visa waiver countries would face virtually no scrutiny.

    No serious country should allow unrestricted birthright citizenship or issue 'diversity' immigrant visas.

    Replies: @NOTA, @bomag

    At the very least, if we’re going to allow foreigners to more or less buy citizenship for their babies, the cash should be going to the government, not to some travel agency that sells them the package.

    • Replies: @27 year old
    @NOTA

    Are there any ABC - American born Chinese- isteve readers in SoCal who could start a birth tourism business? I mean the money could at least go to one of "us".

  19. “There are some snarky details about how Chinese princelings won’t acknowledge sales clerks, although Mr. Lam doesn’t explain why not: class consciousness or shyness?”

    Class consciousness does not quite explain it. It’s more of a cultural thing, i.e. in Asian cultures the seller is subservient and is expected to show big time deference to the buyer.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Sgt. Joe Friday


    …in Asian cultures the seller is subservient and is expected to show big time deference to the buyer.
     
    I wish I had known that when in Hong Kong. I would have ventured into the Fook Yue emporium, rather than taking the name personally.
  20. I have a great idear.

    How about we call chinese-‘american’ kids born this way ‘dumplings’?

    They are dumped over here.

    As for Americans that allow this, I guess they are Dim Sum.

  21. @eah
    illegally spending just enough time in America so your child can exploit America’s naive birthright citizenship rule

    There's nothing illegal about that, is there? -- the only possible illegality involved is lying about the reason for the visit in order to get a visa. But since afaik it's not illegal to travel to the US just to give birth, it's not clear stating this intention would necessarily always result in denial of a visa -- is there a legal reason to deny a visa and/or later entry to an obviously pregnant woman who says she's coming to give birth? -- has this ever happened and then been challenged in court? Many women do not clearly 'show' until later in their pregnancies, eg well into the 7th month -- so if they have the money to finance a long-ish stay and the birth, women from visa waiver countries would face virtually no scrutiny.

    No serious country should allow unrestricted birthright citizenship or issue 'diversity' immigrant visas.

    Replies: @NOTA, @bomag

    is there a legal reason to deny a visa and/or later entry to an obviously pregnant woman who says she’s coming to give birth

    We can deny visas for any reason. Coming here solely for birth is a form of fraud.

  22. Birth tourism — illegally spending just enough time in America so your child can exploit America’s naive birthright citizenship rule — demonstrates the cash scarcity value of American citizenship that America’s leadership seems intent on giving away to random foreign grifters.

    No, they are giving it away very specifically to people who will drive down wages, increase unemployment, and increase the ethnic divisions in the country. Divide & conquer, then divide up the spoils.

  23. Chinese Birth Tourists Crowd Orange County Mall

    The floor must be awfully messy. Your headline sounds like the Birth Barn at the Minnesota State Fair.

  24. @NOTA
    @eah

    At the very least, if we're going to allow foreigners to more or less buy citizenship for their babies, the cash should be going to the government, not to some travel agency that sells them the package.

    Replies: @27 year old

    Are there any ABC – American born Chinese- isteve readers in SoCal who could start a birth tourism business? I mean the money could at least go to one of “us”.

  25. The parachute kids (high school Chinese kid without parents) and astronaut kids (high school Chinese kid and mom, with Dad back in China) are a great deal for the Chinese national parents, a total scam/rip-off for the USA and USA taxpayers : the Chinese national gets high school and language education; graduating from a US high school gets them residency status in college, so the Chinese national parents can pay in-state tuition. With just one or two years you magically become Asian-American, at least to the colleges (and in college statistics), not a Chinese national or international student. And the parents didn’t have to invest anything. Doesn’t matter if there here legally or not. Of course birth scammers are even worse.

  26. I spent several hours at that mall last weekend while my wife shopped. To amuse myself I would stand in one spot and keep a mental tabulation of how many identifiably White and non-White people I saw. In the heart of supposedly old White Orange County the White people proportion came to 19%. Also, I didn’t do an actual count, but the number of women in head scarves seemed to be pretty close to the number of Chinese women. OC has imported huge numbers of Islamic techies in addition to the East Asian ones, plus UC Irvine is heavily Asian. What was dismaying was the young women with their mothers, and sometimes the daughters wore scarves while their first gen mothers did not.
    The mall itself is showing a heavy drift to the upper scale. One end looks like an upscale Tokyo, Dubai or Shanghai shopping district with a parade of one ultra luxury European store after another, a Nordstrom at the anchor end to provide lower cost relief, and Tiffany’s as the comparatively downscale American entry. Even the La Perla store we drop into once a year to buy $400 Italian ladies underwear has remodeled and gone even further up the scale than it already was. The check-out counter is behind a wall so the crass commercial aspects are hidden from sight, and all the saleswomen are wearing the same severe black dresses with identical make-up, hosiery, jewelry and hair. (Picture what Mussolini’s secretaries would have looked like). What remains of the shabby Sear’s complex at the downhill end of the mall is probably not long for it.
    San Marino is another old White center which now has large number of Chinese kids living alone and attending San Marino High. When I used to work in the area I sometimes went to a great burger place that was popular with the San Marino High kids. These Chinese kids would zoom in with their Porsches and BMWs and try to cheat the owners by ordering water with lunch but filling the cups with soda at the fountain. The poor schlub owner would swoop on them and confiscate their sodas while the princelings laughed derisively .

    • Replies: @AnonAnon
    @Alfa158

    South Coast Plaza has three main shopping groups - rich Chinese, rich Middle Eastern types, and trendily-dressed and coiffed homosexual males.

    Replies: @stillCARealist, @Alfa158

  27. @Steve Sailer
    @E. Rekshun

    America, it's just an easy mark for the scammers of the world.

    Seriously, foreign grifters, smartphones, and sanctification of immigrants as a our moral superiors just are a weaponized combination for ripping America off.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Anonymous

    Yes, the U.S. is truly the land of the free (for the taking).

  28. Birth tourism interdiction is influenced primarily by two forces:
    1. ICE bureaucracy, with internal communications snafus, inconsistent policies, personal agendas social engineering, all supported by, or subject to, outdated technology;
    2. Washington political weathervane that moves in response to real or imagined need for Chinese support for Treasury market stability.
    The two interact with all the efficiency and transparency that we’ve come to expect after years of government training.

  29. @Alfa158
    I spent several hours at that mall last weekend while my wife shopped. To amuse myself I would stand in one spot and keep a mental tabulation of how many identifiably White and non-White people I saw. In the heart of supposedly old White Orange County the White people proportion came to 19%. Also, I didn't do an actual count, but the number of women in head scarves seemed to be pretty close to the number of Chinese women. OC has imported huge numbers of Islamic techies in addition to the East Asian ones, plus UC Irvine is heavily Asian. What was dismaying was the young women with their mothers, and sometimes the daughters wore scarves while their first gen mothers did not.
    The mall itself is showing a heavy drift to the upper scale. One end looks like an upscale Tokyo, Dubai or Shanghai shopping district with a parade of one ultra luxury European store after another, a Nordstrom at the anchor end to provide lower cost relief, and Tiffany's as the comparatively downscale American entry. Even the La Perla store we drop into once a year to buy $400 Italian ladies underwear has remodeled and gone even further up the scale than it already was. The check-out counter is behind a wall so the crass commercial aspects are hidden from sight, and all the saleswomen are wearing the same severe black dresses with identical make-up, hosiery, jewelry and hair. (Picture what Mussolini's secretaries would have looked like). What remains of the shabby Sear's complex at the downhill end of the mall is probably not long for it.
    San Marino is another old White center which now has large number of Chinese kids living alone and attending San Marino High. When I used to work in the area I sometimes went to a great burger place that was popular with the San Marino High kids. These Chinese kids would zoom in with their Porsches and BMWs and try to cheat the owners by ordering water with lunch but filling the cups with soda at the fountain. The poor schlub owner would swoop on them and confiscate their sodas while the princelings laughed derisively .

    Replies: @AnonAnon

    South Coast Plaza has three main shopping groups – rich Chinese, rich Middle Eastern types, and trendily-dressed and coiffed homosexual males.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    @AnonAnon

    wow, you just described the mall I go to occasionally here in Roseville, CA.

    I swear every rich Asian and Middle Easterner has moved to my area and taken over that mall. And it seems most men these days go out of their way to either look like a gangsta or a homosexual.

    OT: White men of the world, can we stop with the tattoos and beer bellies already? Wearing those gigantic shirts and basketball shorts aren't hiding anything either.

    , @Alfa158
    @AnonAnon

    I never noticed that many trendy homosexuals shopping but they make up a lot of the salespeople. There was one guy at Saks 5th Ave who was so over the top that I sometimes wanted to go over and rip on him for trying to induce people to make fun of homosexuals by being such a camped-up stereotype. He looked and acted like an embarrassing parody of gays as done by a fraternity revue.

  30. @Steve Sailer
    @E. Rekshun

    America, it's just an easy mark for the scammers of the world.

    Seriously, foreign grifters, smartphones, and sanctification of immigrants as a our moral superiors just are a weaponized combination for ripping America off.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Anonymous

    And the Economist magazine is convinced that this is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

  31. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Birth tourism – illegally spending just enough time in America so your child can exploit America’s naive birthright citizenship rule

    Here’s the shocking thing: it’s NOT illegal. Intending to go to the USA for birth tourism is not a valid reason to deny someone a visa. Our consular officers in embassies are supposed to issue visas to birth tourists, assuming they would otherwise qualify for a tourist visa. Whether they’re pregnant or intending to give birth is not supposed to be considered.

  32. The US is simultaneously importing a new overclass and underclass. We are witnessing the changes, but even if we are noticing some amount of Überfremdung , over-foreignization, it’s happening slowly enough that few are panicking.

    As for unintended consequences, they will be massive. The middle class is vanishing paralleling the European-Americans slow retreat from cultural and economic dominance. We probably wouldn’t be able to recognize our future society. Neil Blomkamp’s vision in Elysium might not be so far off, but perhaps we should expect that the faces of those residing safely and comfortably apart mostly will have Asian traits.

    That the Asian-Americans have an acute class consciousness is no surprise. I also work at a part-time retail job in a market that has a huge presence of Asian immigrants. It’s a high-priced kind of place that caters to highly paid professionals at the high end of the SES. Even though the organization is a very progressive non-profit co-op that is very committed to diversity and our stores customers are predominantly south and east Asian, it’s uncanny how very few of the colleagues at the store are also ethnically south and east Asian. Apparently these princes and princesses might be too good to work retail. These are usually at least polite, but when I asked a a colleague who transferred to our store from a branch in New York City how the customers here in the northwest are different, he said they are much snobbier here.

    • Replies: @rvg
    @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta

    How should that surprise you, did not read that Chinese kids nowadays prefer office jobs over factory jobs or other blue collar work?

  33. Long time Orange County resident. South Coast Plaza went from a VERY nice, and ultra White place in the 1980s to Asian Central mostly, along with much of the County. Santa Ana is about 99.9999999% Mexican; with gang shootings and sometimes killings, Westminster and particularly Garden Grove is heavily Vietnamese, Anaheim is Tijuana in the flats and Beverly Hills in the Anaheim Hills. Irvine went from nearly totally White to nearly totally Asian in about 20 years. The remaining Whites in Orange County went south, basically Laguna Hills southward to Oceanside by the Marine Base (Camp Pendleton).

    South Coast Plaza has a ton of new apartments, I’ve wondered why they sprang up there and now I know. Muslims are all over the place, from being non-existent twenty years ago. White women btw love that. I have had every White female professional tell me how much they love the diversity and particularly the Muslim women in hijabs and veils and burquas. Presumably they love the option of wearing a tent for their fat days, and being relatively attractive in comparison.

    South Coast Plaza USED to have the following stores catering to Whites, gone in the late 1990s: Toys International, Rizzoli’s Books, Pickwick, another bookstore by Sears (total three bookstores), MOMA art store, Ghiradelli’s chocolate store, Rand McNally Store, Brookstone, and a few others. There were no expensive watch places (Vacheron Constantine, Ulysee Nardin, etc.) and only Burberry was really upscale. Most of the customers were White, not Asian.

    BTW the South Coast Plaza Christmas Tree was burnt a few days ago; unlike the Fashion Island one it was off outside the actual mall by the Westin Hotel. Chinese I guess don’t care about Christams.

  34. @Anonymous
    "Birth tourism — illegally spending just enough time in America so your child can exploit America’s naive birthright citizenship rule — demonstrates the cash scarcity value of American citizenship that America’s leadership seems intent on giving away to random foreign grifters."

    A nation of drifters and grifters.

    Replies: @Olorin

    “drifters and grifters”

    I think the technical term for that is “diaspora.”

  35. @AnonAnon
    @Alfa158

    South Coast Plaza has three main shopping groups - rich Chinese, rich Middle Eastern types, and trendily-dressed and coiffed homosexual males.

    Replies: @stillCARealist, @Alfa158

    wow, you just described the mall I go to occasionally here in Roseville, CA.

    I swear every rich Asian and Middle Easterner has moved to my area and taken over that mall. And it seems most men these days go out of their way to either look like a gangsta or a homosexual.

    OT: White men of the world, can we stop with the tattoos and beer bellies already? Wearing those gigantic shirts and basketball shorts aren’t hiding anything either.

  36. @bomag
    @rvg

    Within the German ethny, you are generally better off with a higher IQ German.

    Bringing in higher IQ Chinese introduces a whole suit of different characteristics beyond IQ, such as conscientiousness, inherent honesty, empathy for strangers/kin, aesthetic sensibility, etc.

    You don't see too many people moving to China for the ambiance and cultural appeal. If you are going to do eugenics, let us choose an appealing end stage.

    Replies: @V Vega

    Despite their collective high IQ scores, the Chinese collectively carry a trait one might call “emotionally autistic.” This would diminish their edge significantly in their ethnic cleansing role.
    The history of a race might be the best measure of what to expect in the future, and China doesn’t self-govern very well, and haven’t fared well when challenged and under significant pressure, as the Japanese would tell you.
    I recall reading that prior to WWII, we had sent them dive-bombers for their use to repel the Japanese. After training, the Chinese were apt to bomb themselves, so much so that they begged us to send our own pilots to fly our own planes for bombing runs. In one incident, they bombed their own major department store, it was like their version of Macy’s, killing or maiming hundreds of their own citizens.
    The Chinese pilot had bombed it because he thought he saw a Japanese Zero fighter, and immediately dropped his bomb load so he could flee. Turned out not to be a Japanese fighter. This didn’t mitigate the dead Chinese in their bombed out “Macy’s.”
    That was the final incident that sent their diplomats begging for our help, as flying a bombing run proved too intense for our Chinese friends.
    I suspect IQ, and sound judgement under duress, can be somewhat mutually exclusive traits, so I’d hold off on the ethnic cleansing of Germans, if I were you.

    • Replies: @Former Darfur
    @V Vega

    The birthtourists are doing us a favor, in that they point out the insanity of birthright citizenship, a cancer that would kill us anyway.

    It needs to be stamped out.

    As for orientals, particularly Chinese, they combine high cognitive characteristics with low creativity and low empathy for others. There is a place for them in the world, and it is called-I know this is shocking to some-China.

  37. @rvg
    A serious question. does eugenics justify ethnic cleansing, if the average IQ of germans can be raised by 6 IQ points by importing 100 million Chinese from Zhejiang, does that then justify ethnically cleansing the White Germans to make room for the Chinese? Why or why not?

    Replies: @G Pinfold, @bomag, @AnAnon, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @ScarletNumber, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @bomag

    eugenics is not race replacement.

  38. @V Vega
    @bomag

    Despite their collective high IQ scores, the Chinese collectively carry a trait one might call "emotionally autistic." This would diminish their edge significantly in their ethnic cleansing role.
    The history of a race might be the best measure of what to expect in the future, and China doesn't self-govern very well, and haven't fared well when challenged and under significant pressure, as the Japanese would tell you.
    I recall reading that prior to WWII, we had sent them dive-bombers for their use to repel the Japanese. After training, the Chinese were apt to bomb themselves, so much so that they begged us to send our own pilots to fly our own planes for bombing runs. In one incident, they bombed their own major department store, it was like their version of Macy's, killing or maiming hundreds of their own citizens.
    The Chinese pilot had bombed it because he thought he saw a Japanese Zero fighter, and immediately dropped his bomb load so he could flee. Turned out not to be a Japanese fighter. This didn't mitigate the dead Chinese in their bombed out "Macy's."
    That was the final incident that sent their diplomats begging for our help, as flying a bombing run proved too intense for our Chinese friends.
    I suspect IQ, and sound judgement under duress, can be somewhat mutually exclusive traits, so I'd hold off on the ethnic cleansing of Germans, if I were you.

    Replies: @Former Darfur

    The birthtourists are doing us a favor, in that they point out the insanity of birthright citizenship, a cancer that would kill us anyway.

    It needs to be stamped out.

    As for orientals, particularly Chinese, they combine high cognitive characteristics with low creativity and low empathy for others. There is a place for them in the world, and it is called-I know this is shocking to some-China.

  39. @AnonAnon
    @Alfa158

    South Coast Plaza has three main shopping groups - rich Chinese, rich Middle Eastern types, and trendily-dressed and coiffed homosexual males.

    Replies: @stillCARealist, @Alfa158

    I never noticed that many trendy homosexuals shopping but they make up a lot of the salespeople. There was one guy at Saks 5th Ave who was so over the top that I sometimes wanted to go over and rip on him for trying to induce people to make fun of homosexuals by being such a camped-up stereotype. He looked and acted like an embarrassing parody of gays as done by a fraternity revue.

  40. Lets stop pretending. White civilized society is very attractive to outsiders because white people treat others as they wish others would threat them. Too bad outsiders do not feel the same way. If they did Trump would not be succeeding.

  41. @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    The US is simultaneously importing a new overclass and underclass. We are witnessing the changes, but even if we are noticing some amount of Überfremdung , over-foreignization, it's happening slowly enough that few are panicking.

    As for unintended consequences, they will be massive. The middle class is vanishing paralleling the European-Americans slow retreat from cultural and economic dominance. We probably wouldn't be able to recognize our future society. Neil Blomkamp's vision in Elysium might not be so far off, but perhaps we should expect that the faces of those residing safely and comfortably apart mostly will have Asian traits.

    That the Asian-Americans have an acute class consciousness is no surprise. I also work at a part-time retail job in a market that has a huge presence of Asian immigrants. It's a high-priced kind of place that caters to highly paid professionals at the high end of the SES. Even though the organization is a very progressive non-profit co-op that is very committed to diversity and our stores customers are predominantly south and east Asian, it's uncanny how very few of the colleagues at the store are also ethnically south and east Asian. Apparently these princes and princesses might be too good to work retail. These are usually at least polite, but when I asked a a colleague who transferred to our store from a branch in New York City how the customers here in the northwest are different, he said they are much snobbier here.

    Replies: @rvg

    How should that surprise you, did not read that Chinese kids nowadays prefer office jobs over factory jobs or other blue collar work?

  42. Was Hitler practicing his own interpretation of HBD when he tried to exterminate Slavs? Given that Slavic IQ is 2-4 points lower than German IQ. The reason that HBD must be suppresed especially if its real is that how long will it take until people start combining Social Darwinism and HBD and conclude that certain races like the Gypsies or Blacks deserve to be exterminated because of inferior IQ? I.e. the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.

    • Replies: @JSM
    @rvg

    Yeah, that's all nice sentiments and all, but while us White Germanic types are wringing our hands, our Chinese overlords hold no such compunction.

  43. @Anonymous
    You don't need me to pontificate that there are well over one billion Chinese.

    Whilst wages in the west have stagnated for decades, wages in China have been skyrocketing, continually, for years. We must be at a point now where wages for a typical non-farm white collar, professional or skilled Chinese worker must compare favorably to those of middle income nations, if not western nations. That category of Chinese workers equates to, literally, to hundreds of millions - and their families.
    Now to those workers, a one-off payment of 50,000 dollars, especially when you compare it to the enormous lifetime leveraged benefits US citizenship confers, is not only eminently affordable, but the best bargain in the world - literally.

    So, the potential scale, in the very near future, of Chinese 'package American maternity citizenship deals' is likely to be enormous.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @bomag

    the potential scale…of Chinese ‘…deals’ is likely to be enormous.

    Our leaders should be aware of this and head it off with proper policy.

    Thus ends my joke for the day.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @bomag

    In fact 'our leaders' love and glory in it.
    'The Economist' tells them to.

  44. I mean it really will not take many leaps of logic to conclude that since evolution always favors that the fit, i.e. survival of the fittest, and since certain races are unfit as demonstrated by their low IQ scores, is it not only right for the fit races to wipe out the unfit races, since you are only furthering evolution in the process. Since the continued existance of the low IQ unfit races only takes up space that can be more efficiently used by the fitter high IQ races.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @rvg

    IQ is expensive in evolutionary terms. Species generally evolve with the minimum intelligence needed for their niche.

    High culture and intelligence are not winning strategies in evolution; they are traits that need cultivation.

    Note here that what we prize in human intelligence is not the average of a group, but to what degree they generate outliers that solve our problems and generate higher culture. We benefit exclusively from the Newtons and Beethovens, not so much the average guy with a higher IQ.

    Replies: @MarkinLA

  45. Did the Japanese manage to come up with any weapon systems of their won in WW2? It seems all of their weapons designs were derivatives or reverse engineered versions of German weapons designs.

  46. @rvg
    A serious question. does eugenics justify ethnic cleansing, if the average IQ of germans can be raised by 6 IQ points by importing 100 million Chinese from Zhejiang, does that then justify ethnically cleansing the White Germans to make room for the Chinese? Why or why not?

    Replies: @G Pinfold, @bomag, @AnAnon, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @ScarletNumber, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @bomag

    There is no justification for murdering the innocent. If you think otherwise you have signed your own death warrant (assuming you don’t die before they come for you).

  47. @rvg
    A serious question. does eugenics justify ethnic cleansing, if the average IQ of germans can be raised by 6 IQ points by importing 100 million Chinese from Zhejiang, does that then justify ethnically cleansing the White Germans to make room for the Chinese? Why or why not?

    Replies: @G Pinfold, @bomag, @AnAnon, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @ScarletNumber, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @bomag

    No, because the resultant population is no longer German.

  48. @Sgt. Joe Friday
    "There are some snarky details about how Chinese princelings won’t acknowledge sales clerks, although Mr. Lam doesn’t explain why not: class consciousness or shyness?"

    Class consciousness does not quite explain it. It's more of a cultural thing, i.e. in Asian cultures the seller is subservient and is expected to show big time deference to the buyer.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    …in Asian cultures the seller is subservient and is expected to show big time deference to the buyer.

    I wish I had known that when in Hong Kong. I would have ventured into the Fook Yue emporium, rather than taking the name personally.

  49. Oops.

    Blue City blues.

    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/19/homan-square-chicago-police-disappeared-thousands

    Advice to Rahm. Scream that the KKK is about to invade Chicago.

    Libs bitch about ‘police brutality’, but the reason why the cops got tougher over the yrs is because haute progs returned to cities and demanded law and order for gentrification.

    It’s either bobo privilege matters or black lives matter.

    Btw, do Libyan Lives Matter?

    Hillary was laughing over Libya.

  50. @rvg
    A serious question. does eugenics justify ethnic cleansing, if the average IQ of germans can be raised by 6 IQ points by importing 100 million Chinese from Zhejiang, does that then justify ethnically cleansing the White Germans to make room for the Chinese? Why or why not?

    Replies: @G Pinfold, @bomag, @AnAnon, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @ScarletNumber, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @bomag

    It does not justify the ethnic cleansing of Germans…from Germany. If it’s the OC, then I don’t care.

  51. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Hacienda
    I went to Chinese supermarket in Arcadia. Southern Chinese are tiny. I felt like a monster sometimes and I'm average Korean height! Can't imagine how you'd feel there.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    I’d feel happy. 50% of Whites are below the White average in height; 50% of the Whites are below the White average in weight. Some Whites are 1 standard deviation below the White average in height and 2 or 3 standard deviations below the White average in weight. Both of my parents are tiny by White standards, and I was a tiny kid. I’d actually welcome the opportunity to not feel like a midget for once.

  52. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @rvg
    A serious question. does eugenics justify ethnic cleansing, if the average IQ of germans can be raised by 6 IQ points by importing 100 million Chinese from Zhejiang, does that then justify ethnically cleansing the White Germans to make room for the Chinese? Why or why not?

    Replies: @G Pinfold, @bomag, @AnAnon, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @ScarletNumber, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @bomag

    does eugenics justify ethnic cleansing, if the average IQ of germans can be raised by 6 IQ points by importing 100 million Chinese from Zhejiang, does that then justify ethnically cleansing the White Germans to make room for the Chinese? Why or why not?

    There are IQ tests. There are IQ test takers. Then there are real world results.

    The Germans are the most accomplished high culture people on the planet of the past three centuries.

    The Americans are the most accomplished mid/low culture people.

    The idea that these peoples can be improved by importing hundreds of millions of Chinese is foul and demonic.

  53. From an HBD perspective, should sociopaths be locked up once identified? What does the forum think of this?

  54. @bomag
    @Anonymous

    the potential scale...of Chinese ‘...deals’ is likely to be enormous.

    Our leaders should be aware of this and head it off with proper policy.

    Thus ends my joke for the day.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    In fact ‘our leaders’ love and glory in it.
    ‘The Economist’ tells them to.

  55. @rvg
    Was Hitler practicing his own interpretation of HBD when he tried to exterminate Slavs? Given that Slavic IQ is 2-4 points lower than German IQ. The reason that HBD must be suppresed especially if its real is that how long will it take until people start combining Social Darwinism and HBD and conclude that certain races like the Gypsies or Blacks deserve to be exterminated because of inferior IQ? I.e. the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.

    Replies: @JSM

    Yeah, that’s all nice sentiments and all, but while us White Germanic types are wringing our hands, our Chinese overlords hold no such compunction.

  56. And figuring out the motives behind birth tourism is well worth doing. It`s a hugely significant phenomenon—because it makes explicit a topic that is almost never discussed in the American media, but is feverishly analyzed abroad: the scarcity value of American citizenship. Investigating this scam can helps us become aware of the cash value of being an American, legally speaking.

    As I have posted before its not just American citizenship that has high scarcity value. So does:
    – living here as an illegal alien
    – living here legally as a green card holder
    A few years ago you estimated that American citizenship is worth $300,000 (iirc) It has increased since then. It would be nice to see readers guess at its current price

  57. Le Figaro’s top two articles today are about illegal Chinese immigration and Chinese passport fraud. The worst thing about being Chinese is that you have to live around Chinese people, it would appear.

    http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2015/12/17/01016-20151217ARTFIG00031–paris-l-ecole-de-commerce-etait-une-usine-a-clandestins.php

    http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2015/12/17/01016-20151217ARTFIG00028-seize-filieres-chinoises-demantelees-depuis-janvier.php

    • Replies: @Ivy
    @David

    Chinoiserie is a French word that has a few meanings. One concerns art and another more applicable in this instance refers to tricks or ruses.

  58. The 1898 SCOTUS Wong Kim Ark (WKA) decision is often cited as the essential legal reasoning and precedent for application of the fourteenth amendment as applied to aliens. The truly narrow application of the case is emphasized reviewing a concise statement of the question the case was meant to decide, written by Hon. Horace Gray, Justice for the majority in this decision.

    “[W]hether a child born in the United States, of parents of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have a permanent domicile and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China, becomes at the time of his birth a citizen of the United States by virtue of the first clause of the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution.” (

    Thus WKA provides two tests for birthright citizenship: “ permanent domicile and residence” and “doing business”. A temporary visit for the purpose of giving birth within the US answers neither condition. WKA is therefore disqualified as justification for a “birth tourism” child to be granted birthright citizenship.

  59. @rvg
    I mean it really will not take many leaps of logic to conclude that since evolution always favors that the fit, i.e. survival of the fittest, and since certain races are unfit as demonstrated by their low IQ scores, is it not only right for the fit races to wipe out the unfit races, since you are only furthering evolution in the process. Since the continued existance of the low IQ unfit races only takes up space that can be more efficiently used by the fitter high IQ races.

    Replies: @bomag

    IQ is expensive in evolutionary terms. Species generally evolve with the minimum intelligence needed for their niche.

    High culture and intelligence are not winning strategies in evolution; they are traits that need cultivation.

    Note here that what we prize in human intelligence is not the average of a group, but to what degree they generate outliers that solve our problems and generate higher culture. We benefit exclusively from the Newtons and Beethovens, not so much the average guy with a higher IQ.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    @bomag

    We benefit exclusively from the Newtons and Beethovens, not so much the average guy with a higher IQ

    I am not so sure about that. We also benefit by having a large number of skilled technicians to keep things running and a lot of product improvements come from the people who make the products making suggestions.

  60. @rvg
    A serious question. does eugenics justify ethnic cleansing, if the average IQ of germans can be raised by 6 IQ points by importing 100 million Chinese from Zhejiang, does that then justify ethnically cleansing the White Germans to make room for the Chinese? Why or why not?

    Replies: @G Pinfold, @bomag, @AnAnon, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @ScarletNumber, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @bomag

    So to answer your question, gr4; no; eugenics does not justify ethnic cleansing.

    Eugenics is the improving of an existing race/ethnicity.

    Average IQ is not the driver of accomplishment. It is the outliers a group generates. Western Europeans have generated the intelligent outliers that solved the problems and crafted the high culture of the modern world. The Chinese, not so much.

    This ethnic boosterism of the Chinese will make things worse.

  61. @David
    Le Figaro's top two articles today are about illegal Chinese immigration and Chinese passport fraud. The worst thing about being Chinese is that you have to live around Chinese people, it would appear.

    http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2015/12/17/01016-20151217ARTFIG00031--paris-l-ecole-de-commerce-etait-une-usine-a-clandestins.php

    http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2015/12/17/01016-20151217ARTFIG00028-seize-filieres-chinoises-demantelees-depuis-janvier.php

    Replies: @Ivy

    Chinoiserie is a French word that has a few meanings. One concerns art and another more applicable in this instance refers to tricks or ruses.

  62. Nations with socialized medicine must be incredibly dumb to offer ‘birthright citizenship’.

    Just think – a maternity package citizenship deal at 50,000 dollars a throw is the ultimate insurance against catastrophic illness or chronic medication dependency.
    Here we are talking about dialysis, transplantation, chemotherapy etc.

  63. @Anonymous
    Here's the leading Russian birth tourism Company. You don't need to be able to read Russian to get the imagery: 9-month pregnant woman near an American flag, U.S. passport, etc.

    http://miami-mama.com/

    I think the late Russian singer and actress Zhanna Friske was a client.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Thanks, I’ll post.

  64. @bomag
    @rvg

    IQ is expensive in evolutionary terms. Species generally evolve with the minimum intelligence needed for their niche.

    High culture and intelligence are not winning strategies in evolution; they are traits that need cultivation.

    Note here that what we prize in human intelligence is not the average of a group, but to what degree they generate outliers that solve our problems and generate higher culture. We benefit exclusively from the Newtons and Beethovens, not so much the average guy with a higher IQ.

    Replies: @MarkinLA

    We benefit exclusively from the Newtons and Beethovens, not so much the average guy with a higher IQ

    I am not so sure about that. We also benefit by having a large number of skilled technicians to keep things running and a lot of product improvements come from the people who make the products making suggestions.

  65. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Middle Easterners do this as well. They operate mostly in New York. But they take their babies back home with them. There they teach them to hate everything about the United States & death to the infidels. In 18 years they will be able to vote & eventually run for office, even President of the United States of America. This doesn’t seem to alarm anyone but me.

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