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From American Journal of Political Science:
Tuning In, Not Turning Out: Evaluating the Impact of Ethnic Television on Political Participation
Yamil Ricardo Velez Benjamin J. Newman
First published: 15 April 2019Abstract
Despite the importance of ethnic television within immigrant communities, its effects on political participation are unclear. On the one hand, ethnic media can mobilize and inform voters. On the other hand, it can serve as a source of diversion and reduce the desire to participate. To evaluate these competing possibilities, we implement a geographic regression discontinuity (GRD) approach involving Federal Communication Commission reception boundaries for Spanish‐language television stations in two states. Additionally, we replicate and unpack our GRD analyses using three nationally representative samples of Latinos. Across multiple studies, we find that access to Spanish‐language television is associated with decreases in turnout, ethnic civic participation, and political knowledge. We conclude by discussing the implications of these findings on the ethnic politics, political communication, and social capital literatures.
Cause and effect reversed?
--La ley de América
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRX2bmNs97o
Indeed:
https://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/06/opinion/the-country-that-stopped-reading.html
This is just mean.
Yep. As much as possible, Latinos will be ignored.
The conclusion they will draw from this will not be disapproval of ghettoization or Miss Pecholanidade contests, it will be something like “Reveal” on NPR: a repackaging of leftist propaganda to target a low-info, low-attention-span audience, with lots of fake upon fake banter from the hosts to ensure that the payload is clear. Which for us will mean turning now passive mestizos into politicized mobs agitated over fake issues. Notice that the authors were pleased in the excerpt with foreign language get-out-the-vote efforts.
I picked out five of the ignorant majority and asked them to tell me why they didn’t like reading. The result was predictable: they stuttered, grumbled, grew impatient. None was able to articulate a sentence, express an idea.
This is just mean.
The hilarious part of Sabado Gigante was that it was hosted by a guy calling himself Don Francisco. His real name was Mario Luis Kreutzberger Blumenfeld.
It’s like those American 1950s shows with lots of skits and different things
I used to watch a Hispanic TV station that had 1930s -50s black and white Mexican cowboy movies. Good movies. Sunday afternoon the only day off in my 90 hour weekReplies: @syonredux, @Redneck farmer
His parents were refugees from Nazi Germany. Don Francisco lives mostly in Miami nowadays. He speaks pretty decent English:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGcZ6H7dyqw
Maybe the people who watch Don Francisco are idiots but he appears to be a thoughtful and intelligent man himself.Replies: @syonredux, @Jim bob Lassiter
What I always find hilarious: once immigrants are doing somewhat better than they were back in their sh*thole countries, they do not want to be conned into paying more taxes for “the common good”…especially, if they form even the smallest business/corporation of one – the most efficient, btw. Here’s looking at you, Steve!
Since the early 80’s, most immigrants I run across do not want taxes to increase on their fledgling businesses, especially if they have children. They are also, resentful of today’s refugees (from anywhere) who expect taxpayer’s handouts to them. Everything always comes down to money.
Why is there no White American version of Sabado Gigante?
Why do we not have a show of slapstick gags and big titty blondes, with tailgate country musical guests?
This is what they took from us.
Sucked bad.
Slightly OT: I used to chuckle when my father-in-law who know less Spanish than I do would watch the Iris Chacon variety show on the local Spanish speaking UHF channel. Every now and then he would watch Sabado Gigante. I thought about hipping him to Veronica Castro’s show but never got around to it.
I can’t imagine why.
And what about Spanish-language radio?
I remember during a visit to China watching a few Chinese soap operas (no subtitles.) they seemed more subdued than English and probably Spanish ones.
I like to see a study of violent altercations between Chinese and Spanish operas. I’m sure the skewed ratio will be rather high.
Why do we not have a show of slapstick gags and big titty blondes, with tailgate country musical guests?
This is what they took from us.Replies: @SFG, @Anonymous, @Glemmn
Wasn’t that Hee Haw, albeit with Hee Haw having less dirty stuff?
I have to give Mexican TV news and drama programs the edge in one regard. They are overall, much Whiter than US programs. The globular Indios on non-Mexican Southern California news programs would have no chance of getting on Univision except as news subjects.Replies: @Jack D, @Hypnotoad666, @Lagertha
Why do we not have a show of slapstick gags and big titty blondes, with tailgate country musical guests?
This is what they took from us.Replies: @SFG, @Anonymous, @Glemmn
That was the 70s bro….called variety shows.
Sucked bad.
Sabado Gigante was produced and owned by a Jewish production company. It’s not bad. Better than most American TV crap and fewer ads.
It’s like those American 1950s shows with lots of skits and different things
I used to watch a Hispanic TV station that had 1930s -50s black and white Mexican cowboy movies. Good movies. Sunday afternoon the only day off in my 90 hour week
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vz-aZgOwxoReplies: @Nicholas Stix, @Alden
And of course Univision itself, owned by Haim Saban. Nothing to see here.
That was my take.
La causalidad nunca fue la causa de la noche, o el Trópico de Sir Galahad.
–La ley de América
I remember reading a magazine write up about him once. “Don Francisco” was the son of a German Jewish tailor who moved to Chile to escape the Nazis.
I have seen both Hee Haw many years ago, and more recently, Mexican entertainment shows. I would never have dreamed that someday I would be watching TV shows that made Hee Haw look like The Magic Flute in terms of sophistication.
I have to give Mexican TV news and drama programs the edge in one regard. They are overall, much Whiter than US programs. The globular Indios on non-Mexican Southern California news programs would have no chance of getting on Univision except as news subjects.
aah, the 80’s in NYC
His real name IS (((Mario Luis Kreutzberger Blumenfeld))).
His parents were refugees from Nazi Germany. Don Francisco lives mostly in Miami nowadays. He speaks pretty decent English:
Maybe the people who watch Don Francisco are idiots but he appears to be a thoughtful and intelligent man himself.
It’s like those American 1950s shows with lots of skits and different things
I used to watch a Hispanic TV station that had 1930s -50s black and white Mexican cowboy movies. Good movies. Sunday afternoon the only day off in my 90 hour weekReplies: @syonredux, @Redneck farmer
It’s trash.
They’re trash. Budd Boetticher’s B-Westerns with Randolph Scott are are vastly superior:
His parents were refugees from Nazi Germany. Don Francisco lives mostly in Miami nowadays. He speaks pretty decent English:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGcZ6H7dyqw
Maybe the people who watch Don Francisco are idiots but he appears to be a thoughtful and intelligent man himself.Replies: @syonredux, @Jim bob Lassiter
The people who create trash are usually smarter than the people who consume trash.
I have to give Mexican TV news and drama programs the edge in one regard. They are overall, much Whiter than US programs. The globular Indios on non-Mexican Southern California news programs would have no chance of getting on Univision except as news subjects.Replies: @Jack D, @Hypnotoad666, @Lagertha
Once when I was eating in a (real) Mexican restaurant they had a TV show on (real Mexican restaurants always have a TV playing) that was some kind of contest show on that involved parents doing dance routines with their kids (mostly fathers and daughter ranging from 6 or 7 to teen). The costumes were tacky, the music stunk, the dancing was not very good. But I found the whole thing strangely touching because most American kids want nothing to do with their parents (and often vice versa) but it was clear that these kids and their parents were genuinely close to each other.
My sister noticed similar things when she lived in South America. I’m no fan of the immivasion but one thing I will say is that Central/South American families don’t seem as atomized as American families.Replies: @jim jones
His parents were refugees from Nazi Germany. Don Francisco lives mostly in Miami nowadays. He speaks pretty decent English:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGcZ6H7dyqw
Maybe the people who watch Don Francisco are idiots but he appears to be a thoughtful and intelligent man himself.Replies: @syonredux, @Jim bob Lassiter
You can also bet your narrow white country ass that his bank accounts reflect the same.
Exactly. Class not race. Always. (Bet that’s not what you meant.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vz-aZgOwxoReplies: @Nicholas Stix, @Alden
Budd Boetticher’s Westerns with Randolph Scott were not B pictures. Seven Men from Now, for example, is a classic, with a brilliant, twist-filled, Burt Kennedy screenplay (his first), and a grand group of heavies, including Lee Marvin.
Whoa, wait a minute. So, you’re saying Fred Reed was not being totally honest with his readers in his columns about Mexico? Nah, that’s gotta be just bad data. I don’t see Mrs. Reed’s name anywhere in the survey.
I have to give Mexican TV news and drama programs the edge in one regard. They are overall, much Whiter than US programs. The globular Indios on non-Mexican Southern California news programs would have no chance of getting on Univision except as news subjects.Replies: @Jack D, @Hypnotoad666, @Lagertha
Mexican TV also gets the edge for being oblivious to American concepts of “sexism,” so it’s pretty much a non-stop T&A fest.
The host of Sabado Gigante was a child of Holocaust survivors in case there was any question.
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Thank you, Toad. Someone had to do this. (I’d put in in response to the last column by “Ask a Beaner“, still archived on the right) What political incorrectness, and at about the same time as Turning Japanese by The Vapors!
Eat-ing bar . . b . . . qued Iguana,
One of my favorite lyrics about multiculturalism.
Ay Caramba! What kind of antenna do I need to get this channel, Senor?
Mexican TV and TV for Mexicans/Hispanics in the US suck big time but the level of TV is pretty dismal throughout Latin America. In Brazil for example they pretty much only have 4 kinds of TV shows: a) soap operas, b) variety shows, c) TV News (which mostly deal with violent crime) and d) religious shows. The whole thing is incredibly lame, repetitive and retarded. Allow me to demonstrate:
b)
c)
d)
Watch the above videos at your own peril, you’ve been warned.
They were B movies. They were made fast and cheap. Boetticher, however, was a terrific director who transcended those limitations and made B movies that were also great Westerns. My personal favorite is The Tall T (great performance by Richard Boone).
Laughed all the way to the bank!
https://www.seattletimes.com/explore/nwhomes/at-245-million-this-is-the-most-expensive-home-for-sale-in-the-u-s/
“But I found the whole thing strangely touching because most American kids want nothing to do with their parents (and often vice versa) but it was clear that these kids and their parents were genuinely close to each other.”
My sister noticed similar things when she lived in South America. I’m no fan of the immivasion but one thing I will say is that Central/South American families don’t seem as atomized as American families.
I did mean that. I want all small business people (my parents) to succeed! You are the one that is cynical! Cynicism will destroy your chance to be happy for life, by the way! – It took me 35 years to realize that. What is going on is bad for all of us: white, black, brown, etc. Get woke in the real way.
I have to give Mexican TV news and drama programs the edge in one regard. They are overall, much Whiter than US programs. The globular Indios on non-Mexican Southern California news programs would have no chance of getting on Univision except as news subjects.Replies: @Jack D, @Hypnotoad666, @Lagertha
F Troop would be tough to diversify beyond Wild Eagle
TV taught me that the USA is a black country and Mexico is a white country.
“miss” Colita? First, why isn’t it “Senorita Colita?” Second, imagine the outrage if anyone in the US organized a “miss Ass” pageant! Hell, they took bathing suits out out of the miss America pageant.
Jiggle television doesn’t work very well in a society with heavy internet use and liberal porn laws and a million cable channels.
Benny Hill etc programming was a moneymaker back when adult mags and movies were not so widespread. There was a time in the western world when it was not easy to find any pics of naked women. Anywhere. Imagine that!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el7q5VHk7hA
Hill was, by all accounts a very intelligent and cultured man. His grandfather and father were both clowns and his father ran a store that sold mostly condoms. So how Hill became a comedian is anyone's guess, but his influences are clear as young Alfred changed his stage name to Benny Hill as a tribute to Jack Benny.
He had a moderately successful career in radio and played parts in several movies, but his main success was in sketch shows on TV which were exported all over the world. Hill wrote most of his own scripts, or at least never gave credit to anyone else.
Hill never owned a home or a car and lived very frugally, though he enjoyed traveling overseas on the cheap. He never married or had children and lived alone.
He was found dead at the age of 68 in an armchair in front of the TV, and had been dead for several days with no one coming to see him.
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It’s like those American 1950s shows with lots of skits and different things
I used to watch a Hispanic TV station that had 1930s -50s black and white Mexican cowboy movies. Good movies. Sunday afternoon the only day off in my 90 hour weekReplies: @syonredux, @Redneck farmer
So Elton John could have sang a better song about watching western movies on TV if it hadn’t been about “Roy Rogers”?
My sister noticed similar things when she lived in South America. I’m no fan of the immivasion but one thing I will say is that Central/South American families don’t seem as atomized as American families.Replies: @jim jones
I assume that is the influence of the Catholic Church, Filipinos are the same
A number of people in this thread have admitted to watching Sabado. Why in the world would you do a thing like that?
You complain about blacks but you don’t stop watching sportsball. You complain about Jewish agitprop but you don’t stop watching television and Hollywood movies. Now you’re watching Univision as well.
Is there some reason you all have a morbid fascination with everything you claim to detest? This is really not healthy at all.
Also Mexican TV has much much fewer ADs than American TV. And no blacks in the ADs.
It's a bit like Trump spending a large part of his day watching fake news on TV so that he can let us all known that it is fake news. It's a tough job, but someone has to do it.
One the other hand, you could just send every voter a copy of Nineteen Eighty-Four and be done with it.
Reflecting a demographic shift, 109 U.S. counties have become majority nonwhite since 2000https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/08/21/u-s-counties-majority-nonwhite/https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/07/08/u-s-hispanic-population-reached-new-high-in-2018-but-growth-has-slowed/
A long, straight one will do nicely. Just make sure you know where to stick it.
I grew up watching Sabado Gigante and the Ms. Colita competition.
The host of Sabado Gigante was a child of Holocaust survivors in case there was any question.
You mean decreases in political participation cause ethnic television programming?
You complain about blacks but you don't stop watching sportsball. You complain about Jewish agitprop but you don't stop watching television and Hollywood movies. Now you're watching Univision as well.
Is there some reason you all have a morbid fascination with everything you claim to detest? This is really not healthy at all.Replies: @El Dato, @Alden, @Jonathan Mason, @Jack D, @syonredux
Maybe it’s for research.
The host of Sabado Gigante was a child of Holocaust survivors in case there was any question.
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The miss on the right (#4) is the hit of the show. By far the best-looking. The blonde in blue (#2) looks like trash and the one on the left (#1) looks pre-verbal. So, by default, the next-to-right one is my (distant) second choice. 1 & 3 probably have the rockingest bods though. (And the one in yellow in your next photo is obviously enhanced, Brasilian style. May be a tranny.)
In case anyone was wondering how I’d rate these lovely ladies. As Daniel Tosh said, “Women love to be rated. There’s not a woman in here tonight who wouldn’t be overjoyed to go home with a big blue ribbon on her.”
I dunno, Sabado Gigante always struck me as having more varied culture than American TV …
Certainly more Hoochy Coochy factor…
,,,,decreases in turnout
How is this a bad thing?
In high school I worked summers with a grounds crew at our local school district in Texas. My coworkers were “immigrants” who spoke very little English.
I learned to speak Spanish that summer by talking to those guys during the day and then going home at night and weekends watching Univision. Sabadao Gigante was awesome.
Also there was a local Texas guy named “Johnny Canales” who had a variety show where he’d do a long riff in rapid Spanish and then throw it to the musical act with a very loud and very blatant, “YOU GOT IT BABY!”
I know, cool story bro.
Real reason for this article:
“Hey, I’ve found a cool new mathematical model! Quick, what can I use as variables in it that will have some relevance to the current literature? Ethnic TV shows by state and voter turnout? I’ll plug those in and get an article published for sure!”
I have occasionally tuned in to Gigantic Saturday. Each time I found myself completely confounded by the content of the program, despite being better than conversant (though less than fluent) in Spanish. I remember there being some decent eye candy on the show.
From what I can glean from the abstract, the authors’ analysis commits what Matt Briggs calls the epidemiologist fallacy: they don’t measure the actual variable (number people who watch trashy Latin soap operas) that they tout in the paper’s title.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vz-aZgOwxoReplies: @Nicholas Stix, @Alden
I watched all the old westerns in TV when I was a kid. The Mexican ones had more humor. Best thing about Sabado and the old mex was no blacks. Ever tried to find an American TV program and ADs that’s black free?
You complain about blacks but you don't stop watching sportsball. You complain about Jewish agitprop but you don't stop watching television and Hollywood movies. Now you're watching Univision as well.
Is there some reason you all have a morbid fascination with everything you claim to detest? This is really not healthy at all.Replies: @El Dato, @Alden, @Jonathan Mason, @Jack D, @syonredux
What I liked best about Sabado was that every person in the show and the ADs were White.
Also Mexican TV has much much fewer ADs than American TV. And no blacks in the ADs.
Why do we not have a show of slapstick gags and big titty blondes, with tailgate country musical guests?
This is what they took from us.Replies: @SFG, @Anonymous, @Glemmn
Hee Haw has been out of production for 20+ years.
I wish I was in. . . Tia-juana ,
Eat-ing bar . . b . . . qued Iguana,
One of my favorite lyrics about multiculturalism.
The influx of our dusky third world brethren may have the silver lining of making America safe for political incorrectness again.
You complain about blacks but you don't stop watching sportsball. You complain about Jewish agitprop but you don't stop watching television and Hollywood movies. Now you're watching Univision as well.
Is there some reason you all have a morbid fascination with everything you claim to detest? This is really not healthy at all.Replies: @El Dato, @Alden, @Jonathan Mason, @Jack D, @syonredux
Is there some reason you all have a morbid fascination with everything you claim to detest? This is really not healthy at all.
It’s a bit like Trump spending a large part of his day watching fake news on TV so that he can let us all known that it is fake news. It’s a tough job, but someone has to do it.
One the other hand, you could just send every voter a copy of Nineteen Eighty-Four and be done with it.
You complain about blacks but you don't stop watching sportsball. You complain about Jewish agitprop but you don't stop watching television and Hollywood movies. Now you're watching Univision as well.
Is there some reason you all have a morbid fascination with everything you claim to detest? This is really not healthy at all.Replies: @El Dato, @Alden, @Jonathan Mason, @Jack D, @syonredux
I don’t know that people are claiming to be regular watchers. I know that personally I came across it a few times while channel flipping and might have watched a few minutes of it just to understand what it was all about. The quality was VERY mixed. This was a 3 hour show that aired every week for over 50 years with no reruns (Don Francisco was a VERY hard working guy), so thousands and thousands of hours of material was required. This is what killed the variety show in America – there simply isn’t that much talent out there.
They say that at the dawn of TV, there were some vaudeville acts who had been touring with the same routine for decades. It might be a good act – they would go out there and spin plates on sticks or tell a set of jokes. And then Ed Sullivan would have them on and they’d do their plate juggling act ONCE or set of jokes once and that was it. You’re not going to watch the same act the next week.
Benny Hill etc programming was a moneymaker back when adult mags and movies were not so widespread. There was a time in the western world when it was not easy to find any pics of naked women. Anywhere. Imagine that!Replies: @Jonathan Mason
I grew up watching Benny Hill on TV from, I guess the 1960’s onwards. I always though he was kind of satirizing dirty old men, and old time music hall humor, and found nothing salacious in his act. I just thought the chase scenes with bikini clad girls was childish and this seems to have started in the 80’s long after I had stopped watching Hill on TV.
Hill was, by all accounts a very intelligent and cultured man. His grandfather and father were both clowns and his father ran a store that sold mostly condoms. So how Hill became a comedian is anyone’s guess, but his influences are clear as young Alfred changed his stage name to Benny Hill as a tribute to Jack Benny.
He had a moderately successful career in radio and played parts in several movies, but his main success was in sketch shows on TV which were exported all over the world. Hill wrote most of his own scripts, or at least never gave credit to anyone else.
Hill never owned a home or a car and lived very frugally, though he enjoyed traveling overseas on the cheap. He never married or had children and lived alone.
He was found dead at the age of 68 in an armchair in front of the TV, and had been dead for several days with no one coming to see him.
You complain about blacks but you don't stop watching sportsball. You complain about Jewish agitprop but you don't stop watching television and Hollywood movies. Now you're watching Univision as well.
Is there some reason you all have a morbid fascination with everything you claim to detest? This is really not healthy at all.Replies: @El Dato, @Alden, @Jonathan Mason, @Jack D, @syonredux
Research. I’m trying to understand the Latinx mind.
Reflecting a demographic shift, 109 U.S. counties have become majority nonwhite since 2000
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/08/21/u-s-counties-majority-nonwhite/
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/07/08/u-s-hispanic-population-reached-new-high-in-2018-but-growth-has-slowed/
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Trash humor. For quality humor and genuine wit, watch Howard Hawks’ films.
That’s one point in favor of Latinx tv.
Best… post……ever
For the Australian perspective on Mexican televsion, here is Ozzyman with his critical analysis of weather reporting…
Kind of implies ‘white’ media is above such tawdry considerations.