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From the Washington Times:

Friends of U.Va. rape accuser begin to doubt story
Cite Internet phone numbers, bogus name

By Jeffrey Scott Shapiro – The Washington Times – Monday, December 15, 2014

By the way, is J. Scott Shapiro of the Washington Times any relation to T. Rees Shapiro of the Washington Post?

In any case: good work, men.

Three friends of the alleged University of Virginia rape victim are growing more skeptical about her account, saying they have doubts about information she gave them and why she belatedly tried to get herself deleted from the Rolling Stone article that engulfed their campus in controversy.

The friends say among their concerns is the fact that the woman, named only as “Jackie” in the article, gave them a cellphone number so they could text a man she said she was seeing around the time she alleged she was gang-raped at a fraternity house.

Eventually, the friends ended up with three numbers for the man. All are registered to Internet services that enable people to text without cellphone numbers but also can be used to redirect calls to different numbers or engage in spoofing, according to multiple research databases checked by The Washington Times.

“That definitely raises some red flags,” Alex Stock, a University of Virginia junior and friend of Jackie, told The Times. “I think as more details come out I definitely feel a little more skeptical. This is all new territory for me. I’m not too technologically savvy.”

The friends say Jackie also gave them the name “Haven” as the first name of the upperclassman she was seeing shortly before the purported attack, but they haven’t been able to find anyone by that name enrolled on the campus or even living in the area.

Kathryn Hendley explained that the three friends began using the phone numbers to text Haven because they were “curious” about the upperclassman. Now, they don’t know what to think about that part of her story, the friends said.

When told the cellphone numbers were traced to the Internet services, Ms. Hendley remarked: “Wow, really? That’s interesting. It’s news to me.

“I think as the story has moved along it has raised some new doubts. I honestly wish I could just talk to her sometimes and ask her myself or at least tell her that I hope she’s all right,” she said.

Ryan Duffin, another junior, said he was trying to keep an open mind about Jackie’s accusations, but the cellphone numbers added to his own skepticism.

He noted that Jackie told him she tried to get herself dropped from the Rolling Stone article at the last minute, but was told by the magazine that it was too late.

“She was contacted thinking her story was going to be a much smaller piece about the issue as a whole as it existed at U.Va., and that it was much more focused on survivors,” Mr. Duffin told The Times. “There came a point when she didn’t want that anymore, she tried to retract, but the reporter said at that stage it wasn’t possible.

“She said that she thinks the article did get out of hand and that the reporter used her story to make a broader point,” he said.

All three friends nonetheless remain cautiously supportive of Jackie, saying only she and others at the fraternity house ultimately know what happened on the night of Sept. 28, 2012, when she alleges she was attacked.

Which fraternity house? Did Jackie ever settle on which frat house to use in her story?

“As the investigation goes on, more and more aspects of the story are coming into question; the aggregate of all this evidence is increasing doubt.

“But it doesn’t change my opinion that it may or may not have happened,” Mr. Duffin said.

A friend has emailed me to nominate that sentence for Quote of the Year.

“More and more is coming to the surface, and I think there will come a time when we know what really happened, especially since I know there is a police investigation.” …

The cellphone number, when matched through telephone databases, is an Internet phone number that came through on two of the friends’ phones with an Internet domain attached. Several database phone searches confirmed that Internet domain matches an Internet phone and SMS text service called Pinger.

Internet phone numbers enable the user to make calls or send SMS text messages to telephones from a computer or iPad while creating the appearance that they are coming from a real phone. They also let users create multiple, untraceable phone numbers for little or no cost while concealing their true identity.

The friends said they believed that Jackie may have had a crush on Mr. Duffin but that he was interested only in friendship, and that the mystery upperclassman entered the picture shortly afterward.

Mr. Stock told The Times that Jackie was “extremely sad” that Mr. Duffin would not escalate their relationship beyond a friendship. A few days later, Jackie told her three friends that she had an admirer in her chemistry class, the upperclassman she called Haven.

Mr. Stock said Jackie “was receptive to the whole idea” of the three texting with her new admirer, but noted that he found it “suspicious” that during the text exchanges, Haven “would always steer the conversation back to Ryan.”

Mr. Duffin said his experience texting with Haven was similar.

“He just told me he really liked Jackie, but that she wouldn’t give him a chance because she liked someone else. It didn’t take me long, based on what he was texting, to figure out that the someone else he was referring to was me,” he told The Times. …

The Times called all three numbers supplied by the friends. The third ‘BlackBerry’ number was forwarded to a voice mail with a female voice asking the caller to leave a message, and the other two were “not in service.”

All three phone numbers were labeled as an “Internet Phone” on a database background check; two were labeled as “Pinger Internet Phone,” and the other from “Enflick Internet Phone,” services that allow users to send SMS text messages from a computer or iPad without having a phone number.

The BlackBerry number also came through on Mr. Duffin’s cellphone as a regular 10-digit phone number, but also ended with a suffix, @textfree.us, a domain address associated with Pinger.

On Pinger’s home page, the company writes, “Pinger gives you your own real phone number so you can call or SMS [text] any phone, even if they don’t have Pinger. Call or text from your phone, iPod, iPad or computer.” Another page says, “Free texting from the Web — get a free texting number, send free unlimited texts.”

Enflick Internet Phone’s home page says, “Our free app turns any WiFi enabled device into a phone.”

 
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  1. It is now in the publication of record:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catfishing

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Langley

    "Not to be confused with catfisting." --Wikipedia

    I did not want to click on that, but did anyway. Turns out it's more innocent than it sounds.

  2. What’s happening to Erdely? That’s what I want to know. Is her career over or will she survive by blameshifting her lapses on to Jackie?

    I’m also impressed at how Johann Hari managed to carve out a career in the social media activist circles after his fall. Hari had a lot of defenders including the guy running the internal inquiry against him at the Independent. He (& his editor) was only forced to resign by the Russian oligarch owner. Maybe Erdely can take a page out of Hari’s book.

  3. Priss Factor [AKA "terrapin gape"] says:

    If the left cares about poor people, why doesn’t it bring to attention the problems of real rape among the underclasses? I guess perpetrators are the wrong color.

    The ‘left’ is less about representing the common/poor people than about hating on a certain group of people. It is less animated by FOR considerations than by AGAINST considerations. It is AGAINST white males(esp conservatives), so it seeks out white villains wherever they can be found. And if they cannot be found, they will be invented.

    Globo-elites who dominate the ‘left’ are mainly motivated by hatred for whites(seen as potential rivals for top power) than by love for blacks, browns, or the poor.

    The people of color and poor folks are just props and extras in the main narrative that is really about how Jews can beat and browbeat whites forever so that Jews can hog the power for themselves.

  4. The ball is in your court, Feminism.

    Explain this one away.

    I’ll bring the popcorn.

  5. • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Priss Factor

    If Keyser Sose is such a criminal genius, why does he employ Kramer as his chauffeur?

    Replies: @gu

  6. To Kill a Partying Frat.

  7. Jackie’s at home with her parents now, right? Can’t help wondering how those conversations are going.

    “Sweetie, your mother and I will love you no matter what, you know that. And we know you didn’t want this thing to blow up into a national scandal. But we’re just wondering and we hope you can tell us: Why?”

  8. @Priss Factor
    check the coffee mug

    http://youtu.be/4OAFtr-ciQE?t=4m39s

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbaW0HZ_Qy8

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    If Keyser Sose is such a criminal genius, why does he employ Kramer as his chauffeur?

    • Replies: @gu
    @Steve Sailer

    Nobody said that this is such a conspiracy.

  9. Haven? George Glass would’ve been more believable. Man Jackie sucks at this, and even she could still fool tons of people. Makes you kinda lose faith in the general public.

    And are Jackie and Ryan (“Randall”) still on speaking terms? This seems to be the case, raising numerous more questions–among them being how can someone with good enough sense to avoid Jackie’s advances remain associated with someone so clearly deranged? Is there a willful naïveté? Of course some of Ryan’s statements (particularly the one about how he believes some of her story) seem to be done as a way of not piling on Jackie, and at least giving her some reprieve in this whole mess. There’s still more to this story.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @GW


    how can someone with good enough sense to avoid Jackie’s advances remain associated with someone so clearly deranged? Is there a willful naïveté? Of course some of Ryan’s statements (particularly the one about how he believes some of her story) seem to be done as a way of not piling on Jackie
     
    Willful naiveté? Certainly looks willful, but me thinks, more likely not. These young men have lived their whole lives around all this feministic crap--indoctrinated in it. More likely just youthful naiveté.

    All sorts of reasons, other than derangement, to keep Jackie at arms-length. Flakey. Not his type/look. Saw the game playing she engaged in. Normal female behavior, all. But remember, students are swaddled in the culture of "no judgments" so, friendly he remained. And I think first year (well, most) students in college gravitate towards groups of people as friends, rather than as individual friendships--friends on the surface, not close friendships. Groups go out together, they "hang" together. Dating is passé, and while sex is one-on-one, any intimacy is non-existent.

    As to "not piling on"--one of the gravest sins is to abandon a "friend," no matter the superficiality of the friendship.

    It's hard to imagine, but today's college males (and recent grads) are wussified into pussies. They've been completely drenched in feminism, and have adopted most of the tropes about unequal pay, opportunity, etc., if only out of fear of being ostracized and a social outcast, and if only in order to survive. (Of course there are exceptions, but not many--look at their Obama voting record.)

    , @Scotty G. Vito
    @GW

    I know, right? Sounds like fan-fiction territory, or a mid-season replacement on The CW; not so plausible for bro/rapist's first name. My anonymous sources are telling me David Fincher won't be optioning this one

  10. Big Bill [AKA "Jack Webb"] says:

    “More and more is coming to the surface, and I think there will come a time when we know what really happened, especially since I know there is a police investigation.” …”

    Holy smokes! That girl is in for a heap o’ trouble now. This is Claremont II!

    Telling a fake story of anti-semitism was not what got Ms. Dunn in trouble at Claremont (when she trashed her own car and blamed it on Evil White Gentile frat boys). It was lying to the cops that did her in … and got her some serious jail time.

    If Jackie lies to the cops she is up for a felony. And the cops aren’t going to pat her on her pretty little blond head. Nope. They are going to go full CSI on her, particularly after she and her Rubin-Renda team turned UVA and Charlottesville into national freak shows.

    There is nothing cops hate more than little privileged white drama queens telling stories about rape and getting folks all riled up. That is why black mamas have told their sons for over a century not to mess around with white wimmin: they lie about sex and rape, and black boys can wind up lynched.

    • Replies: @eah
    @Big Bill

    Yes, lest we forget Ms Dunn. Who was "converting to Judaism" at the time of perpetrating her hoax. Hmm.

    , @ic1000
    @Big Bill

    > ...particularly after [Jackie] and her Rubin-Renda team turned UVA and Charlottesville into national freak shows.

    Emily Renda was a rape victim, and is active in Charlottesville's fight-sexism-and-rape-culture community. She's the one who connected rape-shopper Sabrina Rubin Erdely with gang-rape/torture survivor Jackie.

    I've seen Renda on television a few times, repeating the "must always believe the accuser" mantra to sympathetic interviewers. Thus, she's one of the minor villianesses of this story. Her posture is reminiscent of many of the activists and Duke faculty in the Lacrosse Rape Hoax case. These folks remained eager to burn the witches throw the rapists under the bus, long after it was obvious that no rape had taken place.

    Since she is a good-looking, waifish woman who radiates sincerity, let's hope that Renda is never held to account for her role in this debacle.

    , @interesting
    @Big Bill

    "cops aren’t going to pat her on her pretty little blond head"

    I've not read that she was a blonde? did you just implicate yourself in this mess?

    I've not read everything on the topic though so maybe you're off the hook.

  11. “She was contacted thinking her story was going to be a much smaller piece about the issue as a whole as it existed at U.Va., and that it was much more focused on survivors,” Mr. Duffin told The Times. “There came a point when she didn’t want that anymore, she tried to retract, but the reporter said at that stage it wasn’t possible.

    Again, it was Erdely and her Pulitzer/movie deal ambitions that caused this whole thing to blow up. Jackie was just a freshman girl telling little white lies to her friends to win a boy and she never intended to be in the eye of a national storm. When she spoke to Erdely, she thought her phony story might get a few lines mixed in with some other “survivor’s” stories and it would still pass under the radar. Erdely was the one who decide to make Jackie the national poster child for fraternity rape culture despite Jackie’s wishes. What were Jackie’s wishes compared to fame and fortune? Erdely has ruined this girl’s life. Sure the feminist collective will try to protect her to some extent but she is in deep doo. Crystal Mangum ended up in prison.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Jack D

    In turn, Erdely was just responding to a broad demand for hate porn confirming widely held prejudices.

    , @muhry
    @Jack D

    That Jackie thought her story was going to be a small part of the article suggests she's either a moron or that she thought other girls were making up outlandish tales as well. I mean, when a writer comes across a story about a girl claiming to have been gangraped by 7 frat guys on a bed of glass shards for 3 hours as a part of an initiation, then a story about a girl who says she didn't say no, but she also didn't say yes seems pathetic by comparison.

    , @Harold
    @Jack D


    Jackie was just a freshman girl telling little white lies to her friends to win a boy and she never intended to be in the eye of a national storm.
     
    And as I mentioned on another thread, having to tell her father and mother she was gang raped. How could this constitute a little white lie? Aren’t fathers usually devastated and enraged to learn their little girl has been gang raped?
    , @Dahlia
    @Jack D

    Agree mostly.

    Jackie is crackers. Most girls stop with the catfishing waaaay before a rape or other violent crime.

    Ryan and co. strike me as nice nerds. Most men would have cried hoax long before.

    Here's the important thing: Ryan still kept himself out of trouble despite having less intuition. He had just enough and that's all that matters.

    So why do other men end up with crazy, like the Duke Lacrosse boys, and plenty of others?
    Alcohol. There needs to be PSA announcements aimed at men about the dangers of alcohol: Beware drinking in public or with less than the most trusted friends, you just might end up with crazy/ugly/mean.

    Replies: @Forbes

    , @TWS
    @Jack D

    Well Jackie could have come forward and said, "I lied. I am very sorry but none of that happened. I was trying to get a boy to like me."

    Or alternatively, Jackie could have told the truth from the beginning. Wait, that's just stupid.

    Replies: @Jack D

  12. @Jack D
    “She was contacted thinking her story was going to be a much smaller piece about the issue as a whole as it existed at U.Va., and that it was much more focused on survivors,” Mr. Duffin told The Times. “There came a point when she didn’t want that anymore, she tried to retract, but the reporter said at that stage it wasn’t possible.

    Again, it was Erdely and her Pulitzer/movie deal ambitions that caused this whole thing to blow up. Jackie was just a freshman girl telling little white lies to her friends to win a boy and she never intended to be in the eye of a national storm. When she spoke to Erdely, she thought her phony story might get a few lines mixed in with some other "survivor's" stories and it would still pass under the radar. Erdely was the one who decide to make Jackie the national poster child for fraternity rape culture despite Jackie's wishes. What were Jackie's wishes compared to fame and fortune? Erdely has ruined this girl's life. Sure the feminist collective will try to protect her to some extent but she is in deep doo. Crystal Mangum ended up in prison.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @muhry, @Harold, @Dahlia, @TWS

    In turn, Erdely was just responding to a broad demand for hate porn confirming widely held prejudices.

  13. All the major papers of record left it to the Washington Times to check out the phone numbers for Jackie’s suitor/rape-coordinator. Has the NY Times ever let itself get scooped so easily? The Washington Times should stay on this. Not a bad look for them, taking the lead on one of the biggest ongoing stories of the day.

    • Replies: @keypusher
    @Ben Tzot-Abrit

    If only the Washington Times (and a few blogs) are still reporting it, it's not one of the biggest stories of the day. It's not even a story. The catfish angle is funny and interesting, but it is not being touched by the MSM.

    If Jackie lies to the cops she is up for a felony.

    Is there any evidence that Jackie has ever spoken to the police, or ever will? Why would she? If I were her lawyer I'd be instructing her to keep her mouth shut with everyone, but especially the police.

    The cops aren't going to try to make her talk to them, either. The only guy she accused by name doesn't exist. And without her, what is there to investigate?

  14. trying to keep an open mind about Jackie’s accusations

    Keep trying dude. And no matter how hard it is, don’t ever, ever give up. Keep trying to believe a whole bunch of guys, admitted to a school that’s among the most selective in the country, but nevertheless so criminally-minded and amoral that they would risk a couple of decades in prison (that’s what you’ll get for aggravated rape), which would pretty much ruin their lives, by raping some chick for hours on top of broken glass, just to get into some fraternity. I mean, it all makes too much sense not to keep an open mind.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @eah


    Keep trying to believe a whole bunch of guys, admitted to a school that’s among the most selective in the country, but nevertheless so criminally-minded and amoral that they would risk a couple of decades in prison (that’s what you’ll get for aggravated rape), which would pretty much ruin their lives, by raping some chick for hours on top of broken glass, just to get into some fraternity. I mean, it all makes too much sense not to keep an open mind.
     
    Not just "some chick" -- it was a chick who knew some of them by name, which means they could easily wind up with lengthy prison terms when her torn-up back and black eye made it easy to conclude that she did not consent.
    , @Nate
    @eah

    While Jackie's story is extremely dubious, the idea that admission to a selective university is somehow evidence of strong moral character is, um, not particularly well-supported by experience.

    Replies: @Jack D

  15. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Wow, so it turns out the rapists made a fake phone number to text Jackie’s friends and made it look like they were trying to make Randall jealous all to cover their tracks. Based on my knowledge of these issues from the comments section of Gawker and Jezebel that is the only possible conclusion.

  16. The interesting twists and turns left mostly involve who gets the blame for what — and everybody’s going to have a big slice of the pie.

    Just about any of the participants could easily have done something to keep it from spinning out of control into this national scandal that will live in infamy, but not one of them did. It’s a real Clusterfake.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @candid_observer

    I'm stealing the word "Clusterfake."

    Replies: @candid_observer

  17. @candid_observer
    The interesting twists and turns left mostly involve who gets the blame for what -- and everybody's going to have a big slice of the pie.

    Just about any of the participants could easily have done something to keep it from spinning out of control into this national scandal that will live in infamy, but not one of them did. It's a real Clusterfake.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    I’m stealing the word “Clusterfake.”

    • Replies: @candid_observer
    @Steve Sailer

    Thank you.

  18. @Steve Sailer
    @candid_observer

    I'm stealing the word "Clusterfake."

    Replies: @candid_observer

    Thank you.

  19. I think it’s obvious that the bad actors in this saga are Jackie and Sabrina. Jackie had leveraged an alleged sexual assault, first to attract a boy, then to explain poor grades, and then to give her an identity and an excuse for life. That’s really not that bad, especially since no one was hurt.

    Sabrina on the other hand has made a living writing narrative journalism either describing the lives of unusual people or detailing the alleged sexual crimes of various segments of society, e.g., The Catholic Church and the armed services of the United States. In fact, the real consequence of this scandal is that I won’t be able to read Sabrina’s narrative journalism in the future about gang rape and sexual misconduct in other institutions so far untouched, such as Major League Baseball, or the Post Office.

    Taken individually, the peccadilloes of the two are not that bad, it was only in the aggregate, with the two of them egging each other on, as it were, that it got to this point. Finally, Jackie wanted to quit, but Sabrina wouldn’t let her: Jackie couldn’t bring herself to tell the truth. I suppose we will have to wait for a 21st Century Truman Capote to write the narrative about the negative synergy between the two, call it “In Cold Print.”

    I expect Jackie will be indulged for being a silly young woman. Sabrina will be ridiculed and probably won’t get many writing gigs for awhile. I expect the liability of either party is limited. Rolling Stone will probably settle for large amounts, because the magazine has deep pockets and that’s the way these things work. Those promoting the sexual assault agenda will pound the table and proclaim, “What difference does it make?” but everyone else will smile and do what they can to suppress their laughter.

    The big lessons here are about the gullibility of the mob, intolerance of skepticism, and the need for some people to just stand apart from the crowd.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @SPMoore8


    I expect Jackie will be indulged for being a silly young woman. Sabrina will be ridiculed and probably won’t get many writing gigs for awhile.
     
    I nominate Sabrina, Jackie and Tessa Kum for the next generation of The View. Anyone want to suggest a fourth?
  20. WTF is th

    is: “the aggregate of all this evidence is increasing doubt. But it doesn’t change my opinion that it may or may not have happened,”

    Hard to argue that it did or that it didn’t happen.

    I don’t get this because in the first WaPo story, the friends said they thought she made up the boyfriend. So, this isn’t news. The news to me is that they still seem to be friends. Or talking to each other.

    Supposedly, Jackie got to ‘fact check’ the story, but why did she leave her friends to hang out and dry?

    This is going to be simple from here on out. The friends are going to answer all the questions regarding Jackie’s veracity. Was she bloody? No. Did she actively refuse to go to the police? Yes. Did she want the two guys, but not the girl, to spend that night with her? Yes.

    But also now: Why would the friends care about ‘Haven’? When, if ever, did Jackie throw in the towel on Haven. Why are the friend acting confused or surprised about anything? Why are they still involved — at least to the extent of talking — to a woman who is a psycho and going to drag them into a mess.

    Also, isn’t it weird to test with a friend’s boyfriend on three different numbers? It seems very odd. I would like to see the actual messages. If the friends have them .. time to release them.

    The friends are saying that they don’t know what happened during the few hours between when Jackie went on the alleged date and when she called them crying. But they do know that everything she said before was a fabrication.

    And … School had only started for the freshmen 4 weeks before. How did they become and remain so friendly?

    This is an awful article … but regardless of how muddled it sounds, it is only going to get worse for Jackie.

    • Replies: @ABN
    @FWIW


    Also, isn’t it weird to test with a friend’s boyfriend on three different numbers? It seems very odd. I would like to see the actual messages. If the friends have them .. time to release them.
     
    Yeah, I wonder how that conversation went. Maybe something like this:

    Jackie: "Here's the number of a junior in my chemistry class. I think he likes me. You should text him."

    Friends: "Shouldn't you be the one texting him if you want to go out? Anyway, what's his name?"

    Jackie: "Ummm [glance falling upon a pamphlet on her desk], 'Haven.' First name 'Haven,' middle name 'Forvictimsofsexualassaultpeersupportgroup,' last name 'Meetsthursdaynightsfreerefreshmentsprovided.'"

    Friends: "That's really his name?"

    Jackie: "Yes. Also, if you lose this number, here's numbers for the other two phones he carries, as well as a list of his e-mail addresses, PO boxes, telex number, and ham radio callsign."

    Friends: "Umm, not sure that's necessary. I'm sure we'll see him around."

    Jackie: "No, he's, uh, telecommuting this month. He has ebola...That's the one where you can't go out for a while but you're not, like, dead or crippled or whatever, right? Or is that mono?"

    Friends: "Er, okay then. What do you want us to text him about anyway?"

    Jackie: "Just, you know, general stuff. School, sports, parties, girls he likes, boys that are liked by girls he likes but who don't realize what they're missing and need to be provoked into jealousy and who will be really sorry when they realize that the girl of their dreams has already been scandalously ravished by seven knavish Cavaliers in an act of ribaldry most virile. You know, just regular stuff. I'm sure you'll hit it off with him."

    Friends: "..."
    , @WowJustWow
    @FWIW


    Also, isn’t it weird to test with a friend’s boyfriend on three different numbers? It seems very odd.
     
    She probably had to keep registering new numbers. Keep in mind that this is a woman who couldn't even remember basic details of her erotic thriller tale such as which frat it took place in. Would you expect somebody that scatterbrained to remember the password to her internet phone-spoofing account?
  21. @Jack D
    “She was contacted thinking her story was going to be a much smaller piece about the issue as a whole as it existed at U.Va., and that it was much more focused on survivors,” Mr. Duffin told The Times. “There came a point when she didn’t want that anymore, she tried to retract, but the reporter said at that stage it wasn’t possible.

    Again, it was Erdely and her Pulitzer/movie deal ambitions that caused this whole thing to blow up. Jackie was just a freshman girl telling little white lies to her friends to win a boy and she never intended to be in the eye of a national storm. When she spoke to Erdely, she thought her phony story might get a few lines mixed in with some other "survivor's" stories and it would still pass under the radar. Erdely was the one who decide to make Jackie the national poster child for fraternity rape culture despite Jackie's wishes. What were Jackie's wishes compared to fame and fortune? Erdely has ruined this girl's life. Sure the feminist collective will try to protect her to some extent but she is in deep doo. Crystal Mangum ended up in prison.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @muhry, @Harold, @Dahlia, @TWS

    That Jackie thought her story was going to be a small part of the article suggests she’s either a moron or that she thought other girls were making up outlandish tales as well. I mean, when a writer comes across a story about a girl claiming to have been gangraped by 7 frat guys on a bed of glass shards for 3 hours as a part of an initiation, then a story about a girl who says she didn’t say no, but she also didn’t say yes seems pathetic by comparison.

  22. @eah
    trying to keep an open mind about Jackie’s accusations

    Keep trying dude. And no matter how hard it is, don't ever, ever give up. Keep trying to believe a whole bunch of guys, admitted to a school that's among the most selective in the country, but nevertheless so criminally-minded and amoral that they would risk a couple of decades in prison (that's what you'll get for aggravated rape), which would pretty much ruin their lives, by raping some chick for hours on top of broken glass, just to get into some fraternity. I mean, it all makes too much sense not to keep an open mind.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Nate

    Keep trying to believe a whole bunch of guys, admitted to a school that’s among the most selective in the country, but nevertheless so criminally-minded and amoral that they would risk a couple of decades in prison (that’s what you’ll get for aggravated rape), which would pretty much ruin their lives, by raping some chick for hours on top of broken glass, just to get into some fraternity. I mean, it all makes too much sense not to keep an open mind.

    Not just “some chick” — it was a chick who knew some of them by name, which means they could easily wind up with lengthy prison terms when her torn-up back and black eye made it easy to conclude that she did not consent.

  23. thanks

  24. Steve mentioned recently that riots tend to happen where the rioters suspect the authorities are on their side–e.g., race riots in the North rather than the South in the 1960s. The big reason universities can be scandalized by hoaxes and hit pieces like this is because they want to be scandalized. No, really: they’re masochists, and they get off on rending their garments and furrowing their brows over “rape culture” and the whole SJW lexicon of “-isms” and “phobias.”

    The subtext of the RS article may indicate some kind of subliminal harlequin-romance desire among some women to be “raped,” but there is nothing subliminal about the desire of liberal institutions (American universities foremost among them) to be raped. Prestigious universities are run by people who would throw their grandmothers under the bus if it allowed them to be (and to be seen as) righteous progressives.

    There is an institutional tendency in our culture toward self-flagellation, and I have to imagine that a lot of the staff and faculty at the University were positively delighted at the opportunity the RS hit piece afforded them to defame their own university, its culture, and its student body. (Ditto the community of Charlottesville, which is presumably like any other college town in its ideological inclinations.) As I recall, there were authorities at Duke who were as heavily invested as the rest of the Left in the Lacrosse Hoax despite (or because of) the fact that their own institution was targeted by the Narrative.

    This is characteristic of liberal institutions throughout the Western world, from universities to national governments. They’re all just looking for somebody to surrender to. Whether it’s Third World Muslims or mentally unstable freshman girls, the actual quality of the barbarians at the gates has nothing to do with it. People with leapfrogging loyalties (i.e., liberals) are happy to betray the city walls to whoever bothers to show up.

    That somebody might as well have been Jackie.

    • Replies: @ic1000
    @ABN

    > ...The big reason universities can be scandalized by hoaxes and hit pieces like this is because they want to be scandalized...

    Great comment.

    > As I recall, there were authorities at Duke who were as heavily invested as the rest of the Left in the Lacrosse Hoax despite (or because of) the fact that their own institution was targeted by the Narrative.

    Yes -- "because of" seemed to fit better. Duke faculty were among the leaders of the Two Minute Hates directed at K.C. Johnson for his thoughtcrimes concerning the Hoax.

  25. Steve,

    Do you think there’s been an increase in the reaction time to the Left’s Megaphonics? The core notion in the idea of “Drive-By Media” is that they’re off and gone to the next thing before anybody knows what happened. But they don’t seem to be getting as far lately. For example, while it took two full weeks for anybody to throw a reality net over Rolling Stone, that’s way faster than what they were able to get away with even a few years ago.

    Also, the blogosphere seems to be getting better at identifying the correct treatment for each of the Megaphonies’ (Heartiste’s word) tropes — the earlier the treatment can be applied the more effective it is. UVA comes on the radar screen and what helped to take it apart is that it was, in many ways, a lot like the Duke Lacrosse case. With the help of the blogosphere, the Washington Times is dissembling the story while it’s still hot, not something that happened six or eight months ago.

    It seems that the blogosphere is coming up with effective trope treatments faster than the Left is coming up with new tropes. It’s not cause for confidence, but at least the trend is in the right direction. Do you agree?

  26. Don’t think the two Shapiros are related, but Jeffrey Shapiro has a very interesting background in the context of this of this story (hopefully, he’ll get to the full truth!)…

    Jeffrey Scott Shapiro is an American investigative journalist and attorney who has reported on several high-profile criminal cases, often defending people who become targets of the tabloid media. Early in his career, Shapiro was a cub journalist for the Globe tabloid newspaper, but he quickly turned against it, reporting his editors to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) for criminal violations, and later testifying before a Colorado grand jury.

    Shapiro was profiled in October 1998 by Newsweek magazine as a young, dedicated tabloid journalist, but by May 1999, New York (magazine) reported that he experienced a “reincarnation as a fervid anti-tabloid crusader.” He has since engaged in a long-standing campaign against the tabloid industry by speaking out against their journalism practices and supporting legislation to penalize paparazzi when endangering the public. Shapiro’s anti-tabloid views have been controversial among other journalists, and he has been both praised and criticized by the mainstream press.

    Shapiro’s key journalism investigations include the disappearance and murders of JonBenét Ramsey and Chandra Levy, the Columbine High School massacre, the September 11 attacks in 2001 and the sexual assault allegations against NBA player Kobe Bryant and musician Michael Jackson. He received his undergraduate degree from Florida State University in 1995 and his J.D.from the University of Florida Levin College of Law in 2005. He now practices law in California, Florida and Washington, D.C. while continuing to write about political and legal affairs as well as the tabloid media.

    Shapiro is a staunch critic of President Barack Obama, and has accused the president of pushing the United States toward Socialism. In 2012, Shapiro published an article with the John Birch Society’s New American magazine titled, “Fundamentally Transforming the U.S. into the Soviet States of America,” and wrote a separate piece in which he warned of the unconstitutionality of executive lawmaking.

    • Replies: @Dahlia
    @Carrie

    That is interesting. Thanks for the background.

    , @a Newsreader
    @Carrie

    Is either Shapiro related to Jim "The Hammer" Shapiro?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5hn8bhEpMY

  27. By the way, is J. Scott Shapiro of the Washington Times any relation to T. Rees Shapiro of the Washington Post?

    Or to Tokyo Shapiro, in Winston-Salem, the weirdest restaurant name in America? (It’s Chinese.)

    Nathaniel Weyl and Stefan Possony placed Shapiros among the smartest and most accomplished of Jews.

    There are exceptions, of course, such as the Governor of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania who finished behind a Long Island housewife in the Democratic presidential primary.

  28. What are the odds Erdely actually did fact some checking on Jackie’s claims and got fooled by texts from spoofed numbers?

  29. @Langley
    It is now in the publication of record:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catfishing

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    “Not to be confused with catfisting.” –Wikipedia

    I did not want to click on that, but did anyway. Turns out it’s more innocent than it sounds.

  30. @SPMoore8
    I think it's obvious that the bad actors in this saga are Jackie and Sabrina. Jackie had leveraged an alleged sexual assault, first to attract a boy, then to explain poor grades, and then to give her an identity and an excuse for life. That's really not that bad, especially since no one was hurt.

    Sabrina on the other hand has made a living writing narrative journalism either describing the lives of unusual people or detailing the alleged sexual crimes of various segments of society, e.g., The Catholic Church and the armed services of the United States. In fact, the real consequence of this scandal is that I won't be able to read Sabrina's narrative journalism in the future about gang rape and sexual misconduct in other institutions so far untouched, such as Major League Baseball, or the Post Office.

    Taken individually, the peccadilloes of the two are not that bad, it was only in the aggregate, with the two of them egging each other on, as it were, that it got to this point. Finally, Jackie wanted to quit, but Sabrina wouldn't let her: Jackie couldn't bring herself to tell the truth. I suppose we will have to wait for a 21st Century Truman Capote to write the narrative about the negative synergy between the two, call it "In Cold Print."

    I expect Jackie will be indulged for being a silly young woman. Sabrina will be ridiculed and probably won't get many writing gigs for awhile. I expect the liability of either party is limited. Rolling Stone will probably settle for large amounts, because the magazine has deep pockets and that's the way these things work. Those promoting the sexual assault agenda will pound the table and proclaim, "What difference does it make?" but everyone else will smile and do what they can to suppress their laughter.

    The big lessons here are about the gullibility of the mob, intolerance of skepticism, and the need for some people to just stand apart from the crowd.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    I expect Jackie will be indulged for being a silly young woman. Sabrina will be ridiculed and probably won’t get many writing gigs for awhile.

    I nominate Sabrina, Jackie and Tessa Kum for the next generation of The View. Anyone want to suggest a fourth?

  31. @FWIW
    WTF is th

    is: "the aggregate of all this evidence is increasing doubt. But it doesn’t change my opinion that it may or may not have happened,"

    Hard to argue that it did or that it didn't happen.

    I don't get this because in the first WaPo story, the friends said they thought she made up the boyfriend. So, this isn't news. The news to me is that they still seem to be friends. Or talking to each other.

    Supposedly, Jackie got to 'fact check' the story, but why did she leave her friends to hang out and dry?

    This is going to be simple from here on out. The friends are going to answer all the questions regarding Jackie's veracity. Was she bloody? No. Did she actively refuse to go to the police? Yes. Did she want the two guys, but not the girl, to spend that night with her? Yes.

    But also now: Why would the friends care about 'Haven'? When, if ever, did Jackie throw in the towel on Haven. Why are the friend acting confused or surprised about anything? Why are they still involved -- at least to the extent of talking -- to a woman who is a psycho and going to drag them into a mess.

    Also, isn't it weird to test with a friend's boyfriend on three different numbers? It seems very odd. I would like to see the actual messages. If the friends have them .. time to release them.

    The friends are saying that they don't know what happened during the few hours between when Jackie went on the alleged date and when she called them crying. But they do know that everything she said before was a fabrication.

    And ... School had only started for the freshmen 4 weeks before. How did they become and remain so friendly?

    This is an awful article ... but regardless of how muddled it sounds, it is only going to get worse for Jackie.

    Replies: @ABN, @WowJustWow

    Also, isn’t it weird to test with a friend’s boyfriend on three different numbers? It seems very odd. I would like to see the actual messages. If the friends have them .. time to release them.

    Yeah, I wonder how that conversation went. Maybe something like this:

    Jackie: “Here’s the number of a junior in my chemistry class. I think he likes me. You should text him.”

    Friends: “Shouldn’t you be the one texting him if you want to go out? Anyway, what’s his name?”

    Jackie: “Ummm [glance falling upon a pamphlet on her desk], ‘Haven.’ First name ‘Haven,’ middle name ‘Forvictimsofsexualassaultpeersupportgroup,’ last name ‘Meetsthursdaynightsfreerefreshmentsprovided.’”

    Friends: “That’s really his name?”

    Jackie: “Yes. Also, if you lose this number, here’s numbers for the other two phones he carries, as well as a list of his e-mail addresses, PO boxes, telex number, and ham radio callsign.”

    Friends: “Umm, not sure that’s necessary. I’m sure we’ll see him around.”

    Jackie: “No, he’s, uh, telecommuting this month. He has ebola…That’s the one where you can’t go out for a while but you’re not, like, dead or crippled or whatever, right? Or is that mono?”

    Friends: “Er, okay then. What do you want us to text him about anyway?”

    Jackie: “Just, you know, general stuff. School, sports, parties, girls he likes, boys that are liked by girls he likes but who don’t realize what they’re missing and need to be provoked into jealousy and who will be really sorry when they realize that the girl of their dreams has already been scandalously ravished by seven knavish Cavaliers in an act of ribaldry most virile. You know, just regular stuff. I’m sure you’ll hit it off with him.”

    Friends: “…”

  32. Another real rape story. The usual suspects. With pics.

    Miami Herald, 12/15/14 – Seven men charged with sexual battery on a 16-year-old

    http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article4505499.html#/tabPane=tabs-96530ccd-2

    Seven men face charges for allegedly forcing a 16-year-old girl to engage in sex, prostitution and drug use for a week. Prosecutors say the teen went missing from a Miami-Dade public school on Dec. 4 after she left school…she was given alcohol and drugged with cocaine, marijuana and MDMA pills.

    …Over the course of the week, police said the girl was forced into sexual acts with more than 16 men, and forced to have sex with up to eight men simultaneously on at least two occasions.

    Prosecutors have charged all of the suspects with sexual battery and supplying a controlled substance to a minor. They have been identified as Cornelius Edwards, 33, Mark Evans, 38, Jerome Grace, 42, Craig Hill, 29, Branden Sands, 24, Derrick Powell, 43, and his son, Derrick Powell Jr, 18. They were arrested Friday evening.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @E. Rekshun


    Derrick Powell, 43, and his son, Derrick Powell Jr, 18. They were arrested Friday evening.

     

    Going into the family business, apparently. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
    , @Buzz Mohawk
    @E. Rekshun


    Another real rape story. The usual suspects. With pics.

    Miami Herald, 12/15/14 – Seven men charged with sexual battery on a 16-year-old

    http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article4505499.html#/tabPane=tabs-96530ccd-2
     

    And we won't see a cover story anywhere about this. No Rolling Stone story by a chosen "journalist" will be seen. Even though this is a tragic, graphic, true story, more horrible than anyone would ever want to imagine. Gee, you'd think it would be sensational, right? But no, it's invisible.

    No blond gentlemen to accuse.

  33. @Big Bill

    “More and more is coming to the surface, and I think there will come a time when we know what really happened, especially since I know there is a police investigation.” …"
     
    Holy smokes! That girl is in for a heap o' trouble now. This is Claremont II!

    Telling a fake story of anti-semitism was not what got Ms. Dunn in trouble at Claremont (when she trashed her own car and blamed it on Evil White Gentile frat boys). It was lying to the cops that did her in ... and got her some serious jail time.

    If Jackie lies to the cops she is up for a felony. And the cops aren't going to pat her on her pretty little blond head. Nope. They are going to go full CSI on her, particularly after she and her Rubin-Renda team turned UVA and Charlottesville into national freak shows.

    There is nothing cops hate more than little privileged white drama queens telling stories about rape and getting folks all riled up. That is why black mamas have told their sons for over a century not to mess around with white wimmin: they lie about sex and rape, and black boys can wind up lynched.

    Replies: @eah, @ic1000, @interesting

    Yes, lest we forget Ms Dunn. Who was “converting to Judaism” at the time of perpetrating her hoax. Hmm.

  34. @FWIW
    WTF is th

    is: "the aggregate of all this evidence is increasing doubt. But it doesn’t change my opinion that it may or may not have happened,"

    Hard to argue that it did or that it didn't happen.

    I don't get this because in the first WaPo story, the friends said they thought she made up the boyfriend. So, this isn't news. The news to me is that they still seem to be friends. Or talking to each other.

    Supposedly, Jackie got to 'fact check' the story, but why did she leave her friends to hang out and dry?

    This is going to be simple from here on out. The friends are going to answer all the questions regarding Jackie's veracity. Was she bloody? No. Did she actively refuse to go to the police? Yes. Did she want the two guys, but not the girl, to spend that night with her? Yes.

    But also now: Why would the friends care about 'Haven'? When, if ever, did Jackie throw in the towel on Haven. Why are the friend acting confused or surprised about anything? Why are they still involved -- at least to the extent of talking -- to a woman who is a psycho and going to drag them into a mess.

    Also, isn't it weird to test with a friend's boyfriend on three different numbers? It seems very odd. I would like to see the actual messages. If the friends have them .. time to release them.

    The friends are saying that they don't know what happened during the few hours between when Jackie went on the alleged date and when she called them crying. But they do know that everything she said before was a fabrication.

    And ... School had only started for the freshmen 4 weeks before. How did they become and remain so friendly?

    This is an awful article ... but regardless of how muddled it sounds, it is only going to get worse for Jackie.

    Replies: @ABN, @WowJustWow

    Also, isn’t it weird to test with a friend’s boyfriend on three different numbers? It seems very odd.

    She probably had to keep registering new numbers. Keep in mind that this is a woman who couldn’t even remember basic details of her erotic thriller tale such as which frat it took place in. Would you expect somebody that scatterbrained to remember the password to her internet phone-spoofing account?

  35. Schrodinger’s rape? It did or did not happen.

  36. @Jack D
    “She was contacted thinking her story was going to be a much smaller piece about the issue as a whole as it existed at U.Va., and that it was much more focused on survivors,” Mr. Duffin told The Times. “There came a point when she didn’t want that anymore, she tried to retract, but the reporter said at that stage it wasn’t possible.

    Again, it was Erdely and her Pulitzer/movie deal ambitions that caused this whole thing to blow up. Jackie was just a freshman girl telling little white lies to her friends to win a boy and she never intended to be in the eye of a national storm. When she spoke to Erdely, she thought her phony story might get a few lines mixed in with some other "survivor's" stories and it would still pass under the radar. Erdely was the one who decide to make Jackie the national poster child for fraternity rape culture despite Jackie's wishes. What were Jackie's wishes compared to fame and fortune? Erdely has ruined this girl's life. Sure the feminist collective will try to protect her to some extent but she is in deep doo. Crystal Mangum ended up in prison.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @muhry, @Harold, @Dahlia, @TWS

    Jackie was just a freshman girl telling little white lies to her friends to win a boy and she never intended to be in the eye of a national storm.

    And as I mentioned on another thread, having to tell her father and mother she was gang raped. How could this constitute a little white lie? Aren’t fathers usually devastated and enraged to learn their little girl has been gang raped?

  37. @Big Bill

    “More and more is coming to the surface, and I think there will come a time when we know what really happened, especially since I know there is a police investigation.” …"
     
    Holy smokes! That girl is in for a heap o' trouble now. This is Claremont II!

    Telling a fake story of anti-semitism was not what got Ms. Dunn in trouble at Claremont (when she trashed her own car and blamed it on Evil White Gentile frat boys). It was lying to the cops that did her in ... and got her some serious jail time.

    If Jackie lies to the cops she is up for a felony. And the cops aren't going to pat her on her pretty little blond head. Nope. They are going to go full CSI on her, particularly after she and her Rubin-Renda team turned UVA and Charlottesville into national freak shows.

    There is nothing cops hate more than little privileged white drama queens telling stories about rape and getting folks all riled up. That is why black mamas have told their sons for over a century not to mess around with white wimmin: they lie about sex and rape, and black boys can wind up lynched.

    Replies: @eah, @ic1000, @interesting

    > …particularly after [Jackie] and her Rubin-Renda team turned UVA and Charlottesville into national freak shows.

    Emily Renda was a rape victim, and is active in Charlottesville’s fight-sexism-and-rape-culture community. She’s the one who connected rape-shopper Sabrina Rubin Erdely with gang-rape/torture survivor Jackie.

    I’ve seen Renda on television a few times, repeating the “must always believe the accuser” mantra to sympathetic interviewers. Thus, she’s one of the minor villianesses of this story. Her posture is reminiscent of many of the activists and Duke faculty in the Lacrosse Rape Hoax case. These folks remained eager to burn the witches throw the rapists under the bus, long after it was obvious that no rape had taken place.

    Since she is a good-looking, waifish woman who radiates sincerity, let’s hope that Renda is never held to account for her role in this debacle.

  38. “…scandalously ravished by seven knavish Cavaliers in an act of ribaldry most virile.”

    Now I’m wondering what it is you read in your spare time.

  39. @ABN
    Steve mentioned recently that riots tend to happen where the rioters suspect the authorities are on their side--e.g., race riots in the North rather than the South in the 1960s. The big reason universities can be scandalized by hoaxes and hit pieces like this is because they want to be scandalized. No, really: they're masochists, and they get off on rending their garments and furrowing their brows over "rape culture" and the whole SJW lexicon of "-isms" and "phobias."

    The subtext of the RS article may indicate some kind of subliminal harlequin-romance desire among some women to be "raped," but there is nothing subliminal about the desire of liberal institutions (American universities foremost among them) to be raped. Prestigious universities are run by people who would throw their grandmothers under the bus if it allowed them to be (and to be seen as) righteous progressives.

    There is an institutional tendency in our culture toward self-flagellation, and I have to imagine that a lot of the staff and faculty at the University were positively delighted at the opportunity the RS hit piece afforded them to defame their own university, its culture, and its student body. (Ditto the community of Charlottesville, which is presumably like any other college town in its ideological inclinations.) As I recall, there were authorities at Duke who were as heavily invested as the rest of the Left in the Lacrosse Hoax despite (or because of) the fact that their own institution was targeted by the Narrative.

    This is characteristic of liberal institutions throughout the Western world, from universities to national governments. They're all just looking for somebody to surrender to. Whether it's Third World Muslims or mentally unstable freshman girls, the actual quality of the barbarians at the gates has nothing to do with it. People with leapfrogging loyalties (i.e., liberals) are happy to betray the city walls to whoever bothers to show up.

    That somebody might as well have been Jackie.

    Replies: @ic1000

    > …The big reason universities can be scandalized by hoaxes and hit pieces like this is because they want to be scandalized…

    Great comment.

    > As I recall, there were authorities at Duke who were as heavily invested as the rest of the Left in the Lacrosse Hoax despite (or because of) the fact that their own institution was targeted by the Narrative.

    Yes — “because of” seemed to fit better. Duke faculty were among the leaders of the Two Minute Hates directed at K.C. Johnson for his thoughtcrimes concerning the Hoax.

  40. Steve, this really shouldn’t be about Jackie at all. It should be about how Feminist and her allies have been manufacturing rape hysteria by grossly exaggerating the prevalence of rape and even to exaggerate the harm of rape (although no one will take that tack which is understandable.)

    Did you know that Mark Wahlberg caused a man to lose his eye in an attack? I would rather be raped 10 times before losing an eye permanently.

    • Replies: @TWS
    @Marco Lalo

    But he's reformed and wants to be a police officer or something now. I'm sure he's an upstanding guy who's not a thug or bully at all in RL.

    , @Danindc
    @Marco Lalo

    I've been railing on that dwarf for years. Bastard blinded a man and never apologized. Now he wants a pardon.

  41. I understand using “survivor” in rape counseling and family, but it’s encroachment into the public space as a replacement for “victim” is an example of Orwellian Newspeak.
    In the rape counseling, the victim was once a victim, but now must deal with the aftermath. Playing the victim has bad connotations. It suggests that the victim might enjoy the status of victim because of the sympathy and attention. Being a victim has an upside that we don’t want to think about. Using the phrase survivor sheds that baggage.

    Using “survivor”, therefore, makes it harder to think of the survivor as “playing the victim”, though that is clearly what Jackie did. Substituting the word “survivor” for “victim” makes the concept of a fraud, false allegation, or hoax literally unthinkable to a large segment of the population. For evidence, I offer the small number of sources who questioned the facts in the case. Despite a number of high profile cases, the motivation and thus the hoax is unthinkable.

  42. @Carrie
    Don't think the two Shapiros are related, but Jeffrey Shapiro has a very interesting background in the context of this of this story (hopefully, he'll get to the full truth!)...

    Jeffrey Scott Shapiro is an American investigative journalist and attorney who has reported on several high-profile criminal cases, often defending people who become targets of the tabloid media. Early in his career, Shapiro was a cub journalist for the Globe tabloid newspaper, but he quickly turned against it, reporting his editors to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) for criminal violations, and later testifying before a Colorado grand jury.

    Shapiro was profiled in October 1998 by Newsweek magazine as a young, dedicated tabloid journalist, but by May 1999, New York (magazine) reported that he experienced a "reincarnation as a fervid anti-tabloid crusader." He has since engaged in a long-standing campaign against the tabloid industry by speaking out against their journalism practices and supporting legislation to penalize paparazzi when endangering the public. Shapiro's anti-tabloid views have been controversial among other journalists, and he has been both praised and criticized by the mainstream press.

    Shapiro's key journalism investigations include the disappearance and murders of JonBenét Ramsey and Chandra Levy, the Columbine High School massacre, the September 11 attacks in 2001 and the sexual assault allegations against NBA player Kobe Bryant and musician Michael Jackson. He received his undergraduate degree from Florida State University in 1995 and his J.D.from the University of Florida Levin College of Law in 2005. He now practices law in California, Florida and Washington, D.C. while continuing to write about political and legal affairs as well as the tabloid media.

    Shapiro is a staunch critic of President Barack Obama, and has accused the president of pushing the United States toward Socialism. In 2012, Shapiro published an article with the John Birch Society's New American magazine titled, "Fundamentally Transforming the U.S. into the Soviet States of America," and wrote a separate piece in which he warned of the unconstitutionality of executive lawmaking.

    Replies: @Dahlia, @a Newsreader

    That is interesting. Thanks for the background.

  43. @Ben Tzot-Abrit
    All the major papers of record left it to the Washington Times to check out the phone numbers for Jackie's suitor/rape-coordinator. Has the NY Times ever let itself get scooped so easily? The Washington Times should stay on this. Not a bad look for them, taking the lead on one of the biggest ongoing stories of the day.

    Replies: @keypusher

    If only the Washington Times (and a few blogs) are still reporting it, it’s not one of the biggest stories of the day. It’s not even a story. The catfish angle is funny and interesting, but it is not being touched by the MSM.

    If Jackie lies to the cops she is up for a felony.

    Is there any evidence that Jackie has ever spoken to the police, or ever will? Why would she? If I were her lawyer I’d be instructing her to keep her mouth shut with everyone, but especially the police.

    The cops aren’t going to try to make her talk to them, either. The only guy she accused by name doesn’t exist. And without her, what is there to investigate?

  44. Dahlia says:
    @Jack D
    “She was contacted thinking her story was going to be a much smaller piece about the issue as a whole as it existed at U.Va., and that it was much more focused on survivors,” Mr. Duffin told The Times. “There came a point when she didn’t want that anymore, she tried to retract, but the reporter said at that stage it wasn’t possible.

    Again, it was Erdely and her Pulitzer/movie deal ambitions that caused this whole thing to blow up. Jackie was just a freshman girl telling little white lies to her friends to win a boy and she never intended to be in the eye of a national storm. When she spoke to Erdely, she thought her phony story might get a few lines mixed in with some other "survivor's" stories and it would still pass under the radar. Erdely was the one who decide to make Jackie the national poster child for fraternity rape culture despite Jackie's wishes. What were Jackie's wishes compared to fame and fortune? Erdely has ruined this girl's life. Sure the feminist collective will try to protect her to some extent but she is in deep doo. Crystal Mangum ended up in prison.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @muhry, @Harold, @Dahlia, @TWS

    Agree mostly.

    Jackie is crackers. Most girls stop with the catfishing waaaay before a rape or other violent crime.

    Ryan and co. strike me as nice nerds. Most men would have cried hoax long before.

    Here’s the important thing: Ryan still kept himself out of trouble despite having less intuition. He had just enough and that’s all that matters.

    So why do other men end up with crazy, like the Duke Lacrosse boys, and plenty of others?
    Alcohol. There needs to be PSA announcements aimed at men about the dangers of alcohol: Beware drinking in public or with less than the most trusted friends, you just might end up with crazy/ugly/mean.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @Dahlia


    So why do other men end up with crazy, like the Duke Lacrosse boys
     
    Crystal Mangum went to the ER and filed a rape report. That was the epitome of "believing women don't lie about rape," despite obvious holes in the story from the outset.

    Going to the ER for a rape exam and filing a police report will result in a police investigation--which explains the failure to file a formal complaint in all these other putative "unreported" sexual assaults. The complainant wants the "alleged" assault heard before a kangaroo court where the "alleged" perpetrator gets to be humiliated, etc. Payback is a bitch.

    A police investigation of "he said, she said" regret sex would go no further than a couple interviews.

    When colleges incentivize filing false reports, you'll get more false reports. Kinda obvious.

    Replies: @Dahlia

  45. Know what would turn T. Rees Shapiro from a nasty, anal, little, hate-fact-seeking worm into an empathic, soaring, big-picture thinker whose writing was a safe haven for LGBTQoCs?
    Simple: free yourself from repressive punctuation and become TREES Shapiro. Now reach for the sky. Are you feeling it?
    Trees Appelbaum-Feigenbaum would be even better, but I’m copyrighting it.

  46. By the way, National Public Radio has lost all interest in developments at UVa, since they bravely came out against Due Process and Rights of the Accused when it comes to reports of rape, whether real or imagined. Their last story that even touched on the topic was December 11th’s hard hitting U.Va. Looks At Ways To Curb Drinking At Its Frat Houses.

    Amusingly, NPR.org’s search engine begins its summary of the story with

    The University of Virginia is looking to make changes, even though a report about a gang rape has been discredited.

    Discredited? That’s news to NPR’s listeners, whose delicate sensibilities have yet to be assailed by the awful discovery that pale stale males didn’t rape and torture a social justice warrior.

  47. • Replies: @Steve Austen
    @Pat Shuff

    "The most charitable explanation of how this baloney came to end up in a national newspaper is that the journalist in question was having his chain yanked. As the late Rocky Ryan proved so frequently, there are no end of "stories" that fall into the category of too good to check. A tale of £20m won for very little effort will not be the last of those.
    "

    A journalist was willingly spoofed by a horse racing expert making £20 million with no effort. The journalist got a great story with no effort being put into fact checking. Journalist then admires someone who makes more money with same lack of effort which begs the question - where were the editorial staff when all this was going on?

    Replies: @Pat Shuff, @Pat Shuff

  48. ; “Did you know that Mark Wahlberg caused a man to lose his eye in an attack? I would rather be raped 10 times before losing an eye permanently”

    I’m not excusing the assault the little thug perpetrated, but the man lost his eye fighting the North Vietnamese before he came to America not as a result of “the punch Asians heard round the world”. Marky-Mark punched the guy in the face, but he was able to run away after the attack. And it was not the all damaging eye popper-outer that people give this dude credit for. The man also wants Funk Bunch-A-Walberg to be pardoned, the victim believes that Mark already paid for the crime.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2014/12/12/Wahlberg-Victim-Supports-Pardon-Request-I-Was-Not-Blinded-by-Mark-Wahlberg

  49. @Jack D
    “She was contacted thinking her story was going to be a much smaller piece about the issue as a whole as it existed at U.Va., and that it was much more focused on survivors,” Mr. Duffin told The Times. “There came a point when she didn’t want that anymore, she tried to retract, but the reporter said at that stage it wasn’t possible.

    Again, it was Erdely and her Pulitzer/movie deal ambitions that caused this whole thing to blow up. Jackie was just a freshman girl telling little white lies to her friends to win a boy and she never intended to be in the eye of a national storm. When she spoke to Erdely, she thought her phony story might get a few lines mixed in with some other "survivor's" stories and it would still pass under the radar. Erdely was the one who decide to make Jackie the national poster child for fraternity rape culture despite Jackie's wishes. What were Jackie's wishes compared to fame and fortune? Erdely has ruined this girl's life. Sure the feminist collective will try to protect her to some extent but she is in deep doo. Crystal Mangum ended up in prison.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @muhry, @Harold, @Dahlia, @TWS

    Well Jackie could have come forward and said, “I lied. I am very sorry but none of that happened. I was trying to get a boy to like me.”

    Or alternatively, Jackie could have told the truth from the beginning. Wait, that’s just stupid.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @TWS

    Be realistic. People become invested in their lies and it's very difficult to back out. The first rule of holes is to stop digging but when you are already in up to your elbows it's hard to climb out, especially if you are not the most reality based person to begin with. Sure, that's what you would do in this situation but you would never have catfished your friends (at least not for such a stupid goal) in the first place. You are talking about someone who let her tingles drive her actions from Day 1 - she is not suddenly going to become Descartes.

    Remember that Jackie has not recanted to this day (and even her friends are still not willing to call her a liar even though she has called them cold and callous). Even the newspapers have not come right out and said that she is a liar - they have put ample dots on the page and told us to connect them, but they have never used the L word. As of this minute, her story is still officially "operative". The suspension of the frats still has not been revoked. She is still a student in good standing. Once she openly admits she is lying, she is out of there on honor code violations at the least (and possibly worse if she ever spoke to the police). Yes, as a white male you would have been smacked down five minutes after the first small hole was poked in your story, but the same standards do not apply to young ladies. It's possible (though increasingly unlikely) that if she keeps stonewalling she will get out of this untouched.

    Replies: @Dahlia

  50. @Marco Lalo
    Steve, this really shouldn't be about Jackie at all. It should be about how Feminist and her allies have been manufacturing rape hysteria by grossly exaggerating the prevalence of rape and even to exaggerate the harm of rape (although no one will take that tack which is understandable.)

    Did you know that Mark Wahlberg caused a man to lose his eye in an attack? I would rather be raped 10 times before losing an eye permanently.

    Replies: @TWS, @Danindc

    But he’s reformed and wants to be a police officer or something now. I’m sure he’s an upstanding guy who’s not a thug or bully at all in RL.

  51. @Pat Shuff
    The genius high school stock trader

    http://nymag.com/news/articles/reasonstoloveny/2014/mohammed-islam-stock-trading/

    made it all up

    http://observer.com/2014/12/exclusive-new-york-mags-boy-genius-investor-made-it-all-up/

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/102269980

    Replies: @Steve Austen

    “The most charitable explanation of how this baloney came to end up in a national newspaper is that the journalist in question was having his chain yanked. As the late Rocky Ryan proved so frequently, there are no end of “stories” that fall into the category of too good to check. A tale of £20m won for very little effort will not be the last of those.

    A journalist was willingly spoofed by a horse racing expert making £20 million with no effort. The journalist got a great story with no effort being put into fact checking. Journalist then admires someone who makes more money with same lack of effort which begs the question – where were the editorial staff when all this was going on?

    • Replies: @Pat Shuff
    @Steve Austen

    New York magazine is about to lose a star in Jessica Pressler, who's heading to Bloomberg News to join the financial wire's investigative unit.

    Pressler confirmed the move to Capital, telling us she'll be focusing on long-form stories about financial personalities and "the culture of wealth and money." She'll be starting in mid-January or early February depending on when she wraps her final New York assignment.

    ...

    But the company is striving for more synergy between the two, which makes it seem logical that they'd want to hire a splashy magazine writer like Pressler

    http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/media/2014/12/8558080/jessica-pressler-leaves-emnew-yorkem-bloomberg-news

    This is the journalist who got suckered in.

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/ArzArcanum/motivator6d560db7c7787768b430366da4.jpg

    Replies: @Steve Austen

    , @Pat Shuff
    @Steve Austen

    New York magazine is about to lose a star in Jessica Pressler, who's heading to Bloomberg News to join the financial wire's investigative unit.

    Pressler confirmed the move to Capital, telling us she'll be focusing on long-form stories about financial personalities and "the culture of wealth and money." She'll be starting in mid-January or early February depending on when she wraps her final New York assignment.

    .....

    But the company is striving for more synergy between the two, which makes it seem logical that they'd want to hire a splashy magazine writer like Pressler.

    http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/media/2014/12/8558080/jessica-pressler-leaves-emnew-yorkem-bloomberg-news

    This is the journalist that got suckered in.

  52. @Steve Austen
    @Pat Shuff

    "The most charitable explanation of how this baloney came to end up in a national newspaper is that the journalist in question was having his chain yanked. As the late Rocky Ryan proved so frequently, there are no end of "stories" that fall into the category of too good to check. A tale of £20m won for very little effort will not be the last of those.
    "

    A journalist was willingly spoofed by a horse racing expert making £20 million with no effort. The journalist got a great story with no effort being put into fact checking. Journalist then admires someone who makes more money with same lack of effort which begs the question - where were the editorial staff when all this was going on?

    Replies: @Pat Shuff, @Pat Shuff

    New York magazine is about to lose a star in Jessica Pressler, who’s heading to Bloomberg News to join the financial wire’s investigative unit.

    Pressler confirmed the move to Capital, telling us she’ll be focusing on long-form stories about financial personalities and “the culture of wealth and money.” She’ll be starting in mid-January or early February depending on when she wraps her final New York assignment.

    But the company is striving for more synergy between the two, which makes it seem logical that they’d want to hire a splashy magazine writer like Pressler

    http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/media/2014/12/8558080/jessica-pressler-leaves-emnew-yorkem-bloomberg-news

    This is the journalist who got suckered in.

    • Replies: @Steve Austen
    @Pat Shuff

    I guess some journailists résumés are to good to be checked?

    Replies: @Pat Shuff

  53. @Steve Austen
    @Pat Shuff

    "The most charitable explanation of how this baloney came to end up in a national newspaper is that the journalist in question was having his chain yanked. As the late Rocky Ryan proved so frequently, there are no end of "stories" that fall into the category of too good to check. A tale of £20m won for very little effort will not be the last of those.
    "

    A journalist was willingly spoofed by a horse racing expert making £20 million with no effort. The journalist got a great story with no effort being put into fact checking. Journalist then admires someone who makes more money with same lack of effort which begs the question - where were the editorial staff when all this was going on?

    Replies: @Pat Shuff, @Pat Shuff

    New York magazine is about to lose a star in Jessica Pressler, who’s heading to Bloomberg News to join the financial wire’s investigative unit.

    Pressler confirmed the move to Capital, telling us she’ll be focusing on long-form stories about financial personalities and “the culture of wealth and money.” She’ll be starting in mid-January or early February depending on when she wraps her final New York assignment.

    …..

    But the company is striving for more synergy between the two, which makes it seem logical that they’d want to hire a splashy magazine writer like Pressler.

    http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/media/2014/12/8558080/jessica-pressler-leaves-emnew-yorkem-bloomberg-news

    This is the journalist that got suckered in.

  54. @eah
    trying to keep an open mind about Jackie’s accusations

    Keep trying dude. And no matter how hard it is, don't ever, ever give up. Keep trying to believe a whole bunch of guys, admitted to a school that's among the most selective in the country, but nevertheless so criminally-minded and amoral that they would risk a couple of decades in prison (that's what you'll get for aggravated rape), which would pretty much ruin their lives, by raping some chick for hours on top of broken glass, just to get into some fraternity. I mean, it all makes too much sense not to keep an open mind.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Nate

    While Jackie’s story is extremely dubious, the idea that admission to a selective university is somehow evidence of strong moral character is, um, not particularly well-supported by experience.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Nate

    While admission doesn't really speak too much about moral character, in the case of non-affirmative action admits, it does speak to intelligence and intelligence in turn is correlated with future orientation and the ability to weigh risk/benefits - one night of unparalleled pleasure getting sloppy sevenths from Jackie vs. the risk of 20 years in the Big House. I think most U Va undergrads, even if they have a few beers under their belt, are able to solve this equation.

  55. Emily Renda, that fine young woman in the UVa rape culture support structure apparatus.

    Check out this picture of her, and the gentleman close up on her right side,


    http://news.virginia.edu/content/president-sullivan-s-undergrad-interns-learn-firsthand-about-leadership

    Have a close look, you won’t believe it.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Suburban_elk

    Yes, the gentleman is hung like a horse. Are you surprised?

    , @Dahlia
    @Suburban_elk

    Too inside for me. Googled him...isn't he just a basketball player?

    I'm seeing a lot of insinuations against Emily Renda, but best I can tell, there doesn't appear to be anything nefarious. Am I missing something?

    Renda appears to be an activist that got burned by a fellow traveler doing typical activist things.

    The president's promotion of Renda is noteworthy for what it says about her views.
    Is there more?

    , @a Newsreader
    @Suburban_elk

    http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/57216434.jpg

  56. @Suburban_elk
    Emily Renda, that fine young woman in the UVa rape culture support structure apparatus.

    Check out this picture of her, and the gentleman close up on her right side,

    http://news.virginia.edu/sites/default/files/2014-Interns.jpg
    http://news.virginia.edu/content/president-sullivan-s-undergrad-interns-learn-firsthand-about-leadership

    Have a close look, you won't believe it.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Dahlia, @a Newsreader

    Yes, the gentleman is hung like a horse. Are you surprised?

  57. @Nate
    @eah

    While Jackie's story is extremely dubious, the idea that admission to a selective university is somehow evidence of strong moral character is, um, not particularly well-supported by experience.

    Replies: @Jack D

    While admission doesn’t really speak too much about moral character, in the case of non-affirmative action admits, it does speak to intelligence and intelligence in turn is correlated with future orientation and the ability to weigh risk/benefits – one night of unparalleled pleasure getting sloppy sevenths from Jackie vs. the risk of 20 years in the Big House. I think most U Va undergrads, even if they have a few beers under their belt, are able to solve this equation.

  58. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/12/16/i-was-gang-raped-at-a-uva-frat-30-years-ago-and-no-one-did-anything.html#

    OK, the Media is on board that there is at least something “fishy” (excuse the pun) about the “Jackie” story, but the above link was offered in the context that this account may have had some storytelling license but what is described not only could have happened but does happen unfortunately and tragically on a regular basis.

    The above link is offered on HotAir. So a real person with a name has come forward that indeed that kind of thing happened to her — 30 years ago — but someone is going public that it did happen. Not only that, the events of 30 years past resulted in a criminal conviction as of the 2000’s decade.

    This account also has some implausibles — being bloodied and bruised and going to the police but being rebuffed by the police. Going to the Dean and being rebuffed by the Dean. Went first to the ER and being rebuffed by the ER nurse. Pressing charges against a man who had come forward many years later and having his defense team hold out for $30,000 payment to disclose evidence they turned up.

    Does any of this seem likely? Would a college Dean back in the 80’s be that dismissive of a woman student showing up in his office with visible bruises? Would even a hick college-town ER not know to collect forensic medical evidence? As to those lawyers demanding $30K, aren’t there rules of disclosure and discovery and legal ethics?

    On the other hand, the writer claims that a man served time in prison, pleading to lesser assault charge? Can this be fact-checked?

    • Replies: @Torn and Frayed
    @Anonymous

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/apologetic-rapist-to-be-released/

    The story is real in the sense there was a rape. I would tend to believe her story of going to the police as well but I'm not sure if any evidence exists to prove it.

    , @Danindc
    @Anonymous

    Read it - struck me as drunken sex gone too far. The guy called her and apologized 20 years later. Crazy.

  59. Dahlia says:
    @Suburban_elk
    Emily Renda, that fine young woman in the UVa rape culture support structure apparatus.

    Check out this picture of her, and the gentleman close up on her right side,

    http://news.virginia.edu/sites/default/files/2014-Interns.jpg
    http://news.virginia.edu/content/president-sullivan-s-undergrad-interns-learn-firsthand-about-leadership

    Have a close look, you won't believe it.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Dahlia, @a Newsreader

    Too inside for me. Googled him…isn’t he just a basketball player?

    I’m seeing a lot of insinuations against Emily Renda, but best I can tell, there doesn’t appear to be anything nefarious. Am I missing something?

    Renda appears to be an activist that got burned by a fellow traveler doing typical activist things.

    The president’s promotion of Renda is noteworthy for what it says about her views.
    Is there more?

  60. @TWS
    @Jack D

    Well Jackie could have come forward and said, "I lied. I am very sorry but none of that happened. I was trying to get a boy to like me."

    Or alternatively, Jackie could have told the truth from the beginning. Wait, that's just stupid.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Be realistic. People become invested in their lies and it’s very difficult to back out. The first rule of holes is to stop digging but when you are already in up to your elbows it’s hard to climb out, especially if you are not the most reality based person to begin with. Sure, that’s what you would do in this situation but you would never have catfished your friends (at least not for such a stupid goal) in the first place. You are talking about someone who let her tingles drive her actions from Day 1 – she is not suddenly going to become Descartes.

    Remember that Jackie has not recanted to this day (and even her friends are still not willing to call her a liar even though she has called them cold and callous). Even the newspapers have not come right out and said that she is a liar – they have put ample dots on the page and told us to connect them, but they have never used the L word. As of this minute, her story is still officially “operative”. The suspension of the frats still has not been revoked. She is still a student in good standing. Once she openly admits she is lying, she is out of there on honor code violations at the least (and possibly worse if she ever spoke to the police). Yes, as a white male you would have been smacked down five minutes after the first small hole was poked in your story, but the same standards do not apply to young ladies. It’s possible (though increasingly unlikely) that if she keeps stonewalling she will get out of this untouched.

    • Replies: @Dahlia
    @Jack D

    Jackie has lawyered up. RS has their lawyers and Erdely is married to one. Everyone, especially reporters, is doing their best to stave off trouble.

    The individual I feel most sorry for is Kathryn. Imagine one of your intimate clique is in serious pain and trouble and you show up only to be told you're not welcome. She was singled out as someone whose presence would make things worse. How confusing and hurtful!
    Then Kathryn gets to read that her friend has described her as some Ice Queen whore. No way that came from Erdely.

    Jackie is the frenemy from Hell.

  61. Another UVA rape account:

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/12/16/i-was-gang-raped-at-a-uva-frat-30-years-ago-and-no-one-did-anything.html#

    She says that her drink was spiked, the guy who did it contacted her later as a part of the AA admends-making process, and was ultimately convicted.

  62. I’m going to start saying “George W. Bush and Dick Cheney may or may not have conspired to blow up the World Trade Center.”

  63. The friends say among their concerns is the fact that the woman, named only as “Jackie” in the article, gave them a cellphone number so they could text a man she said she was seeing around the time she alleged she was gang-raped at a fraternity house.

    Eventually, the friends ended up with three numbers for the man. All are registered to Internet services that enable people to text without cellphone numbers but also can be used to redirect calls to different numbers or engage in spoofing, according to multiple research databases checked by The Washington Times.

    Wow, sounds like he had to go all Woodward & Bernstein to dig up that info. I don’t mean to disparage Shapiro’s work here, just pointing out how low the journalistic bar is set when the topic is “wrong” and the Leftist Corporate Media would rather obscure the truth, than reveal it. It sounds like an hour’s work, but it might as well be one of the Labors of Hercules for all the Leftist Corporate Media was able to accomplish.

    I bet someone at NYT has done a few facepalms, in light of the “attaboy” the they gave the Post a few weeks back, and the Post’s (relatively) dogged pursuit of the real story of the UVa Gang Rape Hoax.

    The friends say Jackie also gave them the name “Haven” as the first name of the upperclassman she was seeing

    That girl’s a mess.

    Mr. Stock said Jackie “was receptive to the whole idea” of the three texting with her new admirer, but noted that he found it “suspicious” that during the text exchanges, Haven “would always steer the conversation back to Ryan.”

    Mr. Duffin said his experience texting with Haven was similar.

    A total mess.

  64. Though Jackie is crackie, I despise these guys too. They’ve been had and used and abused, but they are still whimpering about how they care about Jackie and are still crossing their fingers that maybe just maybe Jackie was telling the truth.

    When dorks play white knight, it’s pathetic.

  65. To Kill a Partying Frat.

    To Kill the Flocking Birds

  66. If Jackie lies to the cops she is up for a felony. And the cops aren’t going to pat her on her pretty little blond head.

    I thought she was firmly in brunet territory.

    In turn, Erdely was just responding to a broad demand for hate porn confirming widely held prejudices.

    Which are, in turn, put in place by thousands of little Erdelies working in blue strongholds.

    I expect the liability of either party is limited. Rolling Stone will probably settle for large amounts

    Large structured settlements, anyway. Regular payments to ensure everyone’s silence.

    The big lessons here are about the gullibility of the mob, intolerance of skepticism, and the need for some people to just stand apart from the crowd.

    And who’s who, and who’s whom.

    Also, isn’t it weird to test with a friend’s boyfriend on three different numbers? It seems very odd. I would like to see the actual messages. If the friends have them .. time to release them.

    Yes, it almost sounds like she was beta-testing the services as she was pulling off her con.

    Would you expect somebody that scatterbrained to remember the password to her internet phone-spoofing account?

    Or that. Like I said, a total mess.

    That Jackie thought her story was going to be a small part of the article suggests she’s either a moron

    Or a total mess.

    Steve mentioned recently that riots tend to happen where the rioters suspect the authorities are on their side–e.g., race riots in the North rather than the South in the 1960s. The big reason universities can be scandalized by hoaxes and hit pieces like this is because they want to be scandalized. No, really: they’re masochists, and they get off on rending their garments and furrowing their brows over “rape culture” and the whole SJW lexicon of “-isms” and “phobias.”

    Or they’re sadists, and get off on scandalizing white society, inducing whites to rend their garments, etc, while positioning themselves for a bit of the ole limelight. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out the noises to make to get Leftist Corporate Media attention.

    Megaphonies’ (Heartiste’s word)

    Megaphonies, gotta love it.

    Washington Times is dissembling the story while it’s still hot, not something that happened six or eight months ago.

    “Dissembling” = lying.

    Ryan and co. strike me as nice nerds. Most men would have cried hoax long before.

    Yes, they seem like very tolerant, laid back, compassionate sorts, subject to the limitations of reading between the lines. Maybe that’s why Jackie the Psycho gravitated toward them.

    So why do other men end up with crazy, like the Duke Lacrosse boys

    The Duke Boys wound up in trouble because of their middle-class lack of ruthlessness and street wisdom. They didn’t know enough to override their middle-class manners and keep the door locked. Seriously, not kidding here. They should have taken one look at that skank through the peephole, put the chain on (and left the deadbolt locked) and dialed the agency that sent her. Instead, they tried to be polite and suffer through it.

  67. Even today, the important story in the MSM seems to be anything but that this was a fake.

    On my TV this morning, NBC’s Today show was blaring something about how “UVA did not respond quickly enough to the rape accusation.” I was starting my day and didn’t have any time to focus on it, but that part came though loud and clear. It doesn’t matter what else they might have covered this morning, because the average, sleepy dope like me is going to ingest the kind of garbage I heard.

    The MSM is still Megaphoning anything they can but the real, shameful story. Why? Because it doesn’t fit the narrative.

  68. @Anonymous
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/12/16/i-was-gang-raped-at-a-uva-frat-30-years-ago-and-no-one-did-anything.html#

    OK, the Media is on board that there is at least something "fishy" (excuse the pun) about the "Jackie" story, but the above link was offered in the context that this account may have had some storytelling license but what is described not only could have happened but does happen unfortunately and tragically on a regular basis.

    The above link is offered on HotAir. So a real person with a name has come forward that indeed that kind of thing happened to her -- 30 years ago -- but someone is going public that it did happen. Not only that, the events of 30 years past resulted in a criminal conviction as of the 2000's decade.

    This account also has some implausibles -- being bloodied and bruised and going to the police but being rebuffed by the police. Going to the Dean and being rebuffed by the Dean. Went first to the ER and being rebuffed by the ER nurse. Pressing charges against a man who had come forward many years later and having his defense team hold out for $30,000 payment to disclose evidence they turned up.

    Does any of this seem likely? Would a college Dean back in the 80's be that dismissive of a woman student showing up in his office with visible bruises? Would even a hick college-town ER not know to collect forensic medical evidence? As to those lawyers demanding $30K, aren't there rules of disclosure and discovery and legal ethics?

    On the other hand, the writer claims that a man served time in prison, pleading to lesser assault charge? Can this be fact-checked?

    Replies: @Torn and Frayed, @Danindc

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/apologetic-rapist-to-be-released/

    The story is real in the sense there was a rape. I would tend to believe her story of going to the police as well but I’m not sure if any evidence exists to prove it.

  69. Dahlia says:
    @Jack D
    @TWS

    Be realistic. People become invested in their lies and it's very difficult to back out. The first rule of holes is to stop digging but when you are already in up to your elbows it's hard to climb out, especially if you are not the most reality based person to begin with. Sure, that's what you would do in this situation but you would never have catfished your friends (at least not for such a stupid goal) in the first place. You are talking about someone who let her tingles drive her actions from Day 1 - she is not suddenly going to become Descartes.

    Remember that Jackie has not recanted to this day (and even her friends are still not willing to call her a liar even though she has called them cold and callous). Even the newspapers have not come right out and said that she is a liar - they have put ample dots on the page and told us to connect them, but they have never used the L word. As of this minute, her story is still officially "operative". The suspension of the frats still has not been revoked. She is still a student in good standing. Once she openly admits she is lying, she is out of there on honor code violations at the least (and possibly worse if she ever spoke to the police). Yes, as a white male you would have been smacked down five minutes after the first small hole was poked in your story, but the same standards do not apply to young ladies. It's possible (though increasingly unlikely) that if she keeps stonewalling she will get out of this untouched.

    Replies: @Dahlia

    Jackie has lawyered up. RS has their lawyers and Erdely is married to one. Everyone, especially reporters, is doing their best to stave off trouble.

    The individual I feel most sorry for is Kathryn. Imagine one of your intimate clique is in serious pain and trouble and you show up only to be told you’re not welcome. She was singled out as someone whose presence would make things worse. How confusing and hurtful!
    Then Kathryn gets to read that her friend has described her as some Ice Queen whore. No way that came from Erdely.

    Jackie is the frenemy from Hell.

  70. It is so very easy to “dupe” the media if the narrative is just so right: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/12/16/new-york-magazines-72-million-teenage-stock-picker-says-he-made-it-all-up/

    So willing to be duped for the right story…

    The best lines from the article:

    “Islam now says his entire story was made up.”

    “How dumb do you have to [be] to believe that this kid made $72M trading stocks during lunch?”

    I will give the kid this: he has chutzpah.

  71. @GW
    Haven? George Glass would've been more believable. Man Jackie sucks at this, and even she could still fool tons of people. Makes you kinda lose faith in the general public.

    And are Jackie and Ryan ("Randall") still on speaking terms? This seems to be the case, raising numerous more questions--among them being how can someone with good enough sense to avoid Jackie's advances remain associated with someone so clearly deranged? Is there a willful naïveté? Of course some of Ryan's statements (particularly the one about how he believes some of her story) seem to be done as a way of not piling on Jackie, and at least giving her some reprieve in this whole mess. There's still more to this story.

    Replies: @Forbes, @Scotty G. Vito

    how can someone with good enough sense to avoid Jackie’s advances remain associated with someone so clearly deranged? Is there a willful naïveté? Of course some of Ryan’s statements (particularly the one about how he believes some of her story) seem to be done as a way of not piling on Jackie

    Willful naiveté? Certainly looks willful, but me thinks, more likely not. These young men have lived their whole lives around all this feministic crap–indoctrinated in it. More likely just youthful naiveté.

    All sorts of reasons, other than derangement, to keep Jackie at arms-length. Flakey. Not his type/look. Saw the game playing she engaged in. Normal female behavior, all. But remember, students are swaddled in the culture of “no judgments” so, friendly he remained. And I think first year (well, most) students in college gravitate towards groups of people as friends, rather than as individual friendships–friends on the surface, not close friendships. Groups go out together, they “hang” together. Dating is passé, and while sex is one-on-one, any intimacy is non-existent.

    As to “not piling on”–one of the gravest sins is to abandon a “friend,” no matter the superficiality of the friendship.

    It’s hard to imagine, but today’s college males (and recent grads) are wussified into pussies. They’ve been completely drenched in feminism, and have adopted most of the tropes about unequal pay, opportunity, etc., if only out of fear of being ostracized and a social outcast, and if only in order to survive. (Of course there are exceptions, but not many–look at their Obama voting record.)

  72. @E. Rekshun
    Another real rape story. The usual suspects. With pics.

    Miami Herald, 12/15/14 - Seven men charged with sexual battery on a 16-year-old

    http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article4505499.html#/tabPane=tabs-96530ccd-2

    Seven men face charges for allegedly forcing a 16-year-old girl to engage in sex, prostitution and drug use for a week. Prosecutors say the teen went missing from a Miami-Dade public school on Dec. 4 after she left school...she was given alcohol and drugged with cocaine, marijuana and MDMA pills.

    ...Over the course of the week, police said the girl was forced into sexual acts with more than 16 men, and forced to have sex with up to eight men simultaneously on at least two occasions.

    Prosecutors have charged all of the suspects with sexual battery and supplying a controlled substance to a minor. They have been identified as Cornelius Edwards, 33, Mark Evans, 38, Jerome Grace, 42, Craig Hill, 29, Branden Sands, 24, Derrick Powell, 43, and his son, Derrick Powell Jr, 18. They were arrested Friday evening.

    Replies: @Forbes, @Buzz Mohawk

    Derrick Powell, 43, and his son, Derrick Powell Jr, 18. They were arrested Friday evening.

    Going into the family business, apparently. The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.

  73. @Dahlia
    @Jack D

    Agree mostly.

    Jackie is crackers. Most girls stop with the catfishing waaaay before a rape or other violent crime.

    Ryan and co. strike me as nice nerds. Most men would have cried hoax long before.

    Here's the important thing: Ryan still kept himself out of trouble despite having less intuition. He had just enough and that's all that matters.

    So why do other men end up with crazy, like the Duke Lacrosse boys, and plenty of others?
    Alcohol. There needs to be PSA announcements aimed at men about the dangers of alcohol: Beware drinking in public or with less than the most trusted friends, you just might end up with crazy/ugly/mean.

    Replies: @Forbes

    So why do other men end up with crazy, like the Duke Lacrosse boys

    Crystal Mangum went to the ER and filed a rape report. That was the epitome of “believing women don’t lie about rape,” despite obvious holes in the story from the outset.

    Going to the ER for a rape exam and filing a police report will result in a police investigation–which explains the failure to file a formal complaint in all these other putative “unreported” sexual assaults. The complainant wants the “alleged” assault heard before a kangaroo court where the “alleged” perpetrator gets to be humiliated, etc. Payback is a bitch.

    A police investigation of “he said, she said” regret sex would go no further than a couple interviews.

    When colleges incentivize filing false reports, you’ll get more false reports. Kinda obvious.

    • Replies: @Dahlia
    @Forbes

    Referring to the before: why they chose to have her in any intimate capacity in their lives.

  74. @Big Bill

    “More and more is coming to the surface, and I think there will come a time when we know what really happened, especially since I know there is a police investigation.” …"
     
    Holy smokes! That girl is in for a heap o' trouble now. This is Claremont II!

    Telling a fake story of anti-semitism was not what got Ms. Dunn in trouble at Claremont (when she trashed her own car and blamed it on Evil White Gentile frat boys). It was lying to the cops that did her in ... and got her some serious jail time.

    If Jackie lies to the cops she is up for a felony. And the cops aren't going to pat her on her pretty little blond head. Nope. They are going to go full CSI on her, particularly after she and her Rubin-Renda team turned UVA and Charlottesville into national freak shows.

    There is nothing cops hate more than little privileged white drama queens telling stories about rape and getting folks all riled up. That is why black mamas have told their sons for over a century not to mess around with white wimmin: they lie about sex and rape, and black boys can wind up lynched.

    Replies: @eah, @ic1000, @interesting

    “cops aren’t going to pat her on her pretty little blond head”

    I’ve not read that she was a blonde? did you just implicate yourself in this mess?

    I’ve not read everything on the topic though so maybe you’re off the hook.

  75. @Marco Lalo
    Steve, this really shouldn't be about Jackie at all. It should be about how Feminist and her allies have been manufacturing rape hysteria by grossly exaggerating the prevalence of rape and even to exaggerate the harm of rape (although no one will take that tack which is understandable.)

    Did you know that Mark Wahlberg caused a man to lose his eye in an attack? I would rather be raped 10 times before losing an eye permanently.

    Replies: @TWS, @Danindc

    I’ve been railing on that dwarf for years. Bastard blinded a man and never apologized. Now he wants a pardon.

  76. @Anonymous
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/12/16/i-was-gang-raped-at-a-uva-frat-30-years-ago-and-no-one-did-anything.html#

    OK, the Media is on board that there is at least something "fishy" (excuse the pun) about the "Jackie" story, but the above link was offered in the context that this account may have had some storytelling license but what is described not only could have happened but does happen unfortunately and tragically on a regular basis.

    The above link is offered on HotAir. So a real person with a name has come forward that indeed that kind of thing happened to her -- 30 years ago -- but someone is going public that it did happen. Not only that, the events of 30 years past resulted in a criminal conviction as of the 2000's decade.

    This account also has some implausibles -- being bloodied and bruised and going to the police but being rebuffed by the police. Going to the Dean and being rebuffed by the Dean. Went first to the ER and being rebuffed by the ER nurse. Pressing charges against a man who had come forward many years later and having his defense team hold out for $30,000 payment to disclose evidence they turned up.

    Does any of this seem likely? Would a college Dean back in the 80's be that dismissive of a woman student showing up in his office with visible bruises? Would even a hick college-town ER not know to collect forensic medical evidence? As to those lawyers demanding $30K, aren't there rules of disclosure and discovery and legal ethics?

    On the other hand, the writer claims that a man served time in prison, pleading to lesser assault charge? Can this be fact-checked?

    Replies: @Torn and Frayed, @Danindc

    Read it – struck me as drunken sex gone too far. The guy called her and apologized 20 years later. Crazy.

  77. BTW, the left is not yet ready to throw in the towel on Jackie:

    http://college.usatoday.com/2014/12/16/opinion-in-jackies-defense/

    Note the date – today. Note the methodology – you just ignore all the inconvenient facts. Catfishing? What’s that?

  78. “But it doesn’t change my opinion that it may or may not have happened,” Mr. Duffin said.

    Well, as the White Knight said about his song, “Either it brings the tears into their eyes, or else [‘Or else what,’ said Alice, for the Knight had made a sudden pause.] Or else it doesn’t, you know.”

  79. @GW
    Haven? George Glass would've been more believable. Man Jackie sucks at this, and even she could still fool tons of people. Makes you kinda lose faith in the general public.

    And are Jackie and Ryan ("Randall") still on speaking terms? This seems to be the case, raising numerous more questions--among them being how can someone with good enough sense to avoid Jackie's advances remain associated with someone so clearly deranged? Is there a willful naïveté? Of course some of Ryan's statements (particularly the one about how he believes some of her story) seem to be done as a way of not piling on Jackie, and at least giving her some reprieve in this whole mess. There's still more to this story.

    Replies: @Forbes, @Scotty G. Vito

    I know, right? Sounds like fan-fiction territory, or a mid-season replacement on The CW; not so plausible for bro/rapist’s first name. My anonymous sources are telling me David Fincher won’t be optioning this one

  80. For some reason while I thinking about this story I wondered whatever happened to Cmdr. Lisa Nowak (not that I remembered the name, “NASA diaper woman” thanks Google). Did you know they’d already made a “Law & Order CI” episode out of her saga? Imagine if Nowak had access to the same technology in 2007 that “Jackie” utilized– such great heights!

    [MORE]

    btw, I am pretty sure there was a Law & Order rerun involving a fake rape accusation requiring multiple smartphones (though I hope I’m not confusing it instead with an old episode of CSI, Criminal Minds, NCIS, Castle, Matlock, M*A*S*H, or The Honeymooners)

  81. @E. Rekshun
    Another real rape story. The usual suspects. With pics.

    Miami Herald, 12/15/14 - Seven men charged with sexual battery on a 16-year-old

    http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article4505499.html#/tabPane=tabs-96530ccd-2

    Seven men face charges for allegedly forcing a 16-year-old girl to engage in sex, prostitution and drug use for a week. Prosecutors say the teen went missing from a Miami-Dade public school on Dec. 4 after she left school...she was given alcohol and drugged with cocaine, marijuana and MDMA pills.

    ...Over the course of the week, police said the girl was forced into sexual acts with more than 16 men, and forced to have sex with up to eight men simultaneously on at least two occasions.

    Prosecutors have charged all of the suspects with sexual battery and supplying a controlled substance to a minor. They have been identified as Cornelius Edwards, 33, Mark Evans, 38, Jerome Grace, 42, Craig Hill, 29, Branden Sands, 24, Derrick Powell, 43, and his son, Derrick Powell Jr, 18. They were arrested Friday evening.

    Replies: @Forbes, @Buzz Mohawk

    Another real rape story. The usual suspects. With pics.

    Miami Herald, 12/15/14 – Seven men charged with sexual battery on a 16-year-old

    http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article4505499.html#/tabPane=tabs-96530ccd-2

    And we won’t see a cover story anywhere about this. No Rolling Stone story by a chosen “journalist” will be seen. Even though this is a tragic, graphic, true story, more horrible than anyone would ever want to imagine. Gee, you’d think it would be sensational, right? But no, it’s invisible.

    No blond gentlemen to accuse.

  82. @Steve Sailer
    @Priss Factor

    If Keyser Sose is such a criminal genius, why does he employ Kramer as his chauffeur?

    Replies: @gu

    Nobody said that this is such a conspiracy.

  83. @Carrie
    Don't think the two Shapiros are related, but Jeffrey Shapiro has a very interesting background in the context of this of this story (hopefully, he'll get to the full truth!)...

    Jeffrey Scott Shapiro is an American investigative journalist and attorney who has reported on several high-profile criminal cases, often defending people who become targets of the tabloid media. Early in his career, Shapiro was a cub journalist for the Globe tabloid newspaper, but he quickly turned against it, reporting his editors to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) for criminal violations, and later testifying before a Colorado grand jury.

    Shapiro was profiled in October 1998 by Newsweek magazine as a young, dedicated tabloid journalist, but by May 1999, New York (magazine) reported that he experienced a "reincarnation as a fervid anti-tabloid crusader." He has since engaged in a long-standing campaign against the tabloid industry by speaking out against their journalism practices and supporting legislation to penalize paparazzi when endangering the public. Shapiro's anti-tabloid views have been controversial among other journalists, and he has been both praised and criticized by the mainstream press.

    Shapiro's key journalism investigations include the disappearance and murders of JonBenét Ramsey and Chandra Levy, the Columbine High School massacre, the September 11 attacks in 2001 and the sexual assault allegations against NBA player Kobe Bryant and musician Michael Jackson. He received his undergraduate degree from Florida State University in 1995 and his J.D.from the University of Florida Levin College of Law in 2005. He now practices law in California, Florida and Washington, D.C. while continuing to write about political and legal affairs as well as the tabloid media.

    Shapiro is a staunch critic of President Barack Obama, and has accused the president of pushing the United States toward Socialism. In 2012, Shapiro published an article with the John Birch Society's New American magazine titled, "Fundamentally Transforming the U.S. into the Soviet States of America," and wrote a separate piece in which he warned of the unconstitutionality of executive lawmaking.

    Replies: @Dahlia, @a Newsreader

    Is either Shapiro related to Jim “The Hammer” Shapiro?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5hn8bhEpMY

  84. @Suburban_elk
    Emily Renda, that fine young woman in the UVa rape culture support structure apparatus.

    Check out this picture of her, and the gentleman close up on her right side,

    http://news.virginia.edu/sites/default/files/2014-Interns.jpg
    http://news.virginia.edu/content/president-sullivan-s-undergrad-interns-learn-firsthand-about-leadership

    Have a close look, you won't believe it.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Dahlia, @a Newsreader

  85. They have been identified as Cornelius Edwards, 33, Mark Evans, 38, Jerome Grace, 42, Craig Hill, 29, Branden Sands, 24, Derrick Powell, 43, and his son, Derrick Powell Jr, 18.

    WASP’s at it again. Which fraternity do they belong to?

    • Replies: @Danindc
    @Anonymous

    Which fraternity do they belong to?...lol. I'm stealing that.

  86. @Forbes
    @Dahlia


    So why do other men end up with crazy, like the Duke Lacrosse boys
     
    Crystal Mangum went to the ER and filed a rape report. That was the epitome of "believing women don't lie about rape," despite obvious holes in the story from the outset.

    Going to the ER for a rape exam and filing a police report will result in a police investigation--which explains the failure to file a formal complaint in all these other putative "unreported" sexual assaults. The complainant wants the "alleged" assault heard before a kangaroo court where the "alleged" perpetrator gets to be humiliated, etc. Payback is a bitch.

    A police investigation of "he said, she said" regret sex would go no further than a couple interviews.

    When colleges incentivize filing false reports, you'll get more false reports. Kinda obvious.

    Replies: @Dahlia

    Referring to the before: why they chose to have her in any intimate capacity in their lives.

  87. So, we know that Jackie catfished her friends. And we know that Sabrina Rubin Erdely (who hasn’t spoken publicly) is researching a follow-up for Rolling Stone. But why would she be doing this if her article was filled with career-ending, Glassian levels of fabrication?

    Here’s a thought:

    Maybe SRE didn’t make up all those quotes. Maybe Jackie catfished her, too.

  88. @Anonymous

    They have been identified as Cornelius Edwards, 33, Mark Evans, 38, Jerome Grace, 42, Craig Hill, 29, Branden Sands, 24, Derrick Powell, 43, and his son, Derrick Powell Jr, 18.
     
    WASP's at it again. Which fraternity do they belong to?

    Replies: @Danindc

    Which fraternity do they belong to?…lol. I’m stealing that.

  89. Derrick Powell, 43, and his son, Derrick Powell Jr, 18.

    It’s nice that they could share such a special father and son moment.

  90. @Pat Shuff
    @Steve Austen

    New York magazine is about to lose a star in Jessica Pressler, who's heading to Bloomberg News to join the financial wire's investigative unit.

    Pressler confirmed the move to Capital, telling us she'll be focusing on long-form stories about financial personalities and "the culture of wealth and money." She'll be starting in mid-January or early February depending on when she wraps her final New York assignment.

    ...

    But the company is striving for more synergy between the two, which makes it seem logical that they'd want to hire a splashy magazine writer like Pressler

    http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/media/2014/12/8558080/jessica-pressler-leaves-emnew-yorkem-bloomberg-news

    This is the journalist who got suckered in.

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/ArzArcanum/motivator6d560db7c7787768b430366da4.jpg

    Replies: @Steve Austen

    I guess some journailists résumés are to good to be checked?

    • Replies: @Pat Shuff
    @Steve Austen

    Well they got a splashy journalist though somewhat of a belly flop from swan dive height. A blemish on her resume, a demonstrated inability to find either cheek with either hand in the field of investigative financial journalism. She has a demonstrated ability to spawn viral make believe, emphasis on viral, reality optional for failing upward. That sort of talent is in demand albeit an increasingly competitive field.

  91. @Steve Austen
    @Pat Shuff

    I guess some journailists résumés are to good to be checked?

    Replies: @Pat Shuff

    Well they got a splashy journalist though somewhat of a belly flop from swan dive height. A blemish on her resume, a demonstrated inability to find either cheek with either hand in the field of investigative financial journalism. She has a demonstrated ability to spawn viral make believe, emphasis on viral, reality optional for failing upward. That sort of talent is in demand albeit an increasingly competitive field.

  92. I will give the kid this: he has chutzpah.

    We need a chutzpah map. A dot goes on the region of origin every time one of these stories crops up.

    My guess? Sub-Saharan Africa, West Asia, and South Asia have it locked up.

  93. Liz Securro? Yep, apparently she had drunken sex with a guy in a fraternity 30 years ago. Shocking, I know. But NOTHING more than that, from all accounts, except for one fellow fabulist who’s been through the p.c. wringer and years of AA meetings, and now a bit of prison. Congrats Liz, you found yourself a loser, and now you have a whole new career.

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