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From Big Country News:

Washington judges must presume racial bias in verdicts when claimed

Big Country News
By Lawrence Wilson | The Center Square contributor
Nov 1, 2022 Updated 16 hrs ago

(The Center Square) — Judges must presume that racial bias was a factor in a jury’s
decision in a civil suit when one litigant makes that claim, according to a Washington
Supreme Court ruling, placing the burden of proof on the opposing party to show that
racial bias did affect the outcome.

The ruling was handed down in October in a liability lawsuit brought by an African American woman who claimed her injury from a car accident aggravated her symptoms
from Tourette’s Syndrome. The plaintiff had sought $3.5 million in damages. The
defendant had admitted fault in the accident.

When the jury found for the plaintiff but granted only $9,200 in damages, she appealed the award, presenting arguments to demonstrate that racial bias influenced the decision.

Cited as evidence of racial bias were statements by the defendant’s lawyer that seemed to indicate racial stereotyping, including describing the defendant as “confrontational” and “combative,” her suggestion that the defendant was interested only in a financial windfall, and that the defendant’s witnesses, who were all black family members and friends, were “inherently biased” and seemed to have been coached to give identical testimony.

Also, the jury asked that Henderson leave the courtroom before they re-entered to
deliver their verdict.

I.e., the jurors were scared that the plaintiff would physically attack them.

In summary, Montoya-Lewis wrote, drawing on a recent Washington Supreme Court decision, “When a new trial is sought on the ground that racial bias affected the verdict, the facts must be viewed through the lens of an objective observer who is aware ‘that implicit, institutional, and unconscious biases, in addition to purposeful discrimination, have influenced jury verdicts in Washington State.’”

She added, “In a hearing based on prima facie evidence that racial bias possibly affected the verdict, the court must presume that it did and the party seeking to uphold the verdict must prove how it did not. If they cannot prove that racial bias was not a factor, that verdict is fundamentally incompatible with substantial justice.”

 
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  1. I’m wondering when jurors will become personally liable for verdicts against non-whites.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @cthulhu

    We're already way past that. Remember the judges in certain notorious cases making the identities of jurors public so they'll be sure to render the "right" verdict.


    Cited as evidence of racial bias were statements by the defendant’s lawyer that seemed to indicate racial stereotyping, including describing the defendant as “confrontational” and “combative”

     

    Any references to the Numinous Ones which imply that they are anything other than Sacred Deities shall constitute prima facie evidence of racism, punishable by mega millions in gibs!

    "the party seeking to uphold the verdict must prove how it did not. If they cannot prove that racial bias was not a factor, that verdict is fundamentally incompatible with substantial justice.”
     
    Meanwhile: Proving a negative? Surely all y'all tricky wypipos is up to that task.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    , @AndrewR
    @cthulhu

    I would definitely change that to "against more Officially Oppressed people" (you idiotically imply that a black juror would be punished for a verdict against a Chinaman, everything else being equal) but anyway: 2027 at the latest.

    , @Prester John
    @cthulhu

    If it isn't here already it'll coming to a courthouse near you very soon.

  2. You guys lost

    Get over it

    • Agree: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Troll: IHTG
    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Ebony Obelisk

    When we're gone, there won't be anybody left to buy insurance or pay the taxes.

    Replies: @duncsbaby, @AceDeuce, @PSR

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Ebony Obelisk


    You guys lost

    Get over it
     
    You're stupid and worthless.

    Bet over it.

    And, BTW, you don't know how to punctuate either.
    , @SFG
    @Ebony Obelisk

    Never get over it. You can lose and then win. Look at Poland.

    Replies: @Rouetheday

    , @AnotherDad
    @Ebony Obelisk


    You guys lost

    Get over it
     
    EO your trolling is actually on to something with the first line.

    I do not think Americans--i.e. the sane people--are going to ever be able to flip this. Minoritarianism has been relentless propagandized for decades and the rainbow religion is just too deeply imbedded in millions--including millions of whites who should know better.

    However, I do think it is possible for us to demand and achieve separation into our own American communities. In fact most of America--geographically--is still American. The Rainbows are really the islands or strips (coastal metros, the black belt, Mexican areas).

    The key element is that Steve's "Coalition of the Fringes" is actually parasitic upon us--normal productive people. It's feeding on this large prosperous Western nation that has been and still is the reason the fringes are here and operate their coalition--instead of fleeing their terrible, terrible "oppression".

    Let's demand our right for people to decide--America or Rainbow?--and live as they wish.
    , @pyrrhus
    @Ebony Obelisk

    Just keep creating a world that no one, especially the sacred dark ones, would want to live in...They want to live in white world, but don't want to play by the rules of white world...shame

    , @mark miller
    @Ebony Obelisk

    What? We haven't even started anything yet.

    , @NeoLogick
    @Ebony Obelisk

    You forgot the ";". Better formatting is the key towards clearer legibility!

  3. • Replies: @Ralph L
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Here's a 1721 map of Rome, when it was much smaller, that I ran into this morning (it's an interesting tumblr for people who like classical architecture). The Vatican is on the edge of town.
    https://archimaps.tumblr.com/image/43722375426

    , @Clark Kent
    @JohnnyWalker123

    WTF does this have to do with the story?

  4. How many mulligans does a litigant get? The excerpt from the decision would seem to leave the number uncapped.

    • Replies: @James Speaks
    @Elli

    Very many. Insurance companies have money, mostly by selling policies to whites who are careful not to make spurious claims, and negroes now want their "fair share." The mantra seems to be: You gots to get that insurance money. That's your insurance money.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home)

  5. @cthulhu
    I’m wondering when jurors will become personally liable for verdicts against non-whites.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @AndrewR, @Prester John

    We’re already way past that. Remember the judges in certain notorious cases making the identities of jurors public so they’ll be sure to render the “right” verdict.

    Cited as evidence of racial bias were statements by the defendant’s lawyer that seemed to indicate racial stereotyping, including describing the defendant as “confrontational” and “combative”

    Any references to the Numinous Ones which imply that they are anything other than Sacred Deities shall constitute prima facie evidence of racism, punishable by mega millions in gibs!

    “the party seeking to uphold the verdict must prove how it did not. If they cannot prove that racial bias was not a factor, that verdict is fundamentally incompatible with substantial justice.”

    Meanwhile: Proving a negative? Surely all y’all tricky wypipos is up to that task.

    • Agree: Renard, bomag
    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @HammerJack


    Any references to the Numinous Ones which imply that they are anything other than Sacred Deities shall constitute prima facie evidence of racism, punishable by mega millions in gibs!
     
    At least this dude actually ran into this obnoxious woman's car. That's happened to me twice and it's a legit pain in the ass. (Though I didn't go running to Dewey Cheatem and Howe.)

    The Floyd family collected $27 million! Seriously. That's $63 for every man, woman and child in Minneapolis going to these lowlifes because their POS criminal drug dealing relative swallowed his own drugs, resisted arrested and managed to OD in police custody before the ambulance showed up.

    Replies: @Inverness

  6. Early life check. Yep, every single time.

    • Replies: @Wj
    @anon

    That caught me by surprise but your early life check verifies.

    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @anon

    Shhhh. Steve doesn't notice such things nor does he use his vaunted pattern recognition for one group.

    Steve's "War on Noticing" that special, chosen if you will, group continues.

    You see, if Steve acknowledged that an ethic group working together could achieve tremendous power and influence over our society, well, his whole Citizenism thesis falls apart.

    Citizenism requires every group to put loyalty to their fellow citizens above loyalty to their group. If any group takes advantage of that by sticking together, all the other groups will do the same. Basic game theory.

    The usual suspects prove daily that Citizenism is a failed idea. Steve can either acknowledge that and come up with something new or ignore the power and influence of the usual suspects. He chooses the latter.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Shetland

    , @Mr. Anon
    @anon


    Early life check. Yep, every single time.
     
    As Dave Chapelle said - one thinks it, but does not speak of it.
    , @AnotherDad
    @anon

    She seems to be some sort of Indigjew.

    Should be asked how she feels about "nativism". (Pretzel verbiage would no doubt pour forth all amounting to deplorable goys like me are bad, bad, bad.)

  7. an African American woman who claimed her injury from a car accident aggravated her symptoms from Tourette’s Syndrome

    She could make good money as a Twitch streamer!

    Early life on Justice Raquel Montoya-Lewis:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raquel_Montoya-Lewis#Early_life_and_education

    Raised in New Mexico, she is a member of the Pueblo of Isleta and descended from the Pueblo of Laguna. Montoya-Lewis and her mother, who was born in Australia, are Jewish.

    I think she’s the love child of this guy:

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Michael Horse is a good character actor and perhaps his finest role is playing an Indian in real life. From wikipedia:

    Horse has at times described himself as Yaqui,[12] and at other times as "of Yaqui descent",[13] or "of Yaqui, Mescalero Apache, Zuni Pueblo and Hispanic" descent",[14] but is not enrolled or recognized by any tribe.

    , @AndrewR
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Every single time

  8. Well gosh, I can’t wait to get my arms and legs blown off defending this system.

    Semper Fi!

    • Agree: Mike Tre
    • Thanks: Kim
    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @Zelo

    Yes!!! Exactly, exactly.

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @Zelo

    " ... I can't wait to get my arms and legs blown off defending this system."

    Pre the Great Racial Awakening I used to recommend to young white men bored with jobs, with college, to enlist for four years in the service of their choice. Because that's what I did when the college classroom became a prison. It was challenging but also a worthwhile adventure. Although none of the skills required for my MOS did not translate to civilian life. At all. But now: Young white man do not sacrifice your youth and possibly your life for a system that wants you on your knees. In addition, seek another home and life in a country that doesn't want to disappear you.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Veteran Aryan

  9. Anonymous[954] • Disclaimer says:

    There must be more to the story. A jury wouldn’t ask for the plaintiff not to be present during the verdict reading unless she delivered a courtroom shitshow that was remarkable.

    They were indicating they didn’t trust that the bailiff and/or other security personnel could stop her before she got to the jury box. That’s highly unusual.

    It MIGHT have been she acted like such a shit during the proceedings, as well as her family witnesses, they pissed the jury off, who then tried to punish her via the lesser money awarded, in which case an appeal would be valid.

    But her race shouldn’t ever be a factor, since racial bias in that scenario is impossible to qualify. It turns the justice system into a haunted house.

    Anyway… there’s more to this story that’s not been reported.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @Anonymous


    It turns the justice system into a haunted house.
     
    http://www.compaholics.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/bingo.png
    , @Jonathan Mason
    @Anonymous


    Anyway… there’s more to this story that’s not been reported.
     
    That is for sure.

    To me the interesting thing is what the evidence was that the automobile accident increased her Tourette syndrome and how the jury evaluated that evidence.

    Tourette syndrome is a tic disorder. Nobody really knows the cause of Tourette syndrome and there is no medical test for it. It is believed to be an inherited condition that can be triggered by environmental factors. Often it starts in adolescence and fades out spontaneously.

    Was the woman's demeanor in court taken by the jury as evidence of new brain damage caused by the accident?

    $9,000 in damages would hardly pay for an MRI scan in the US.

    Much more to the story.

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @The Anti-Gnostic, @mc23

  10. @Ebony Obelisk
    You guys lost

    Get over it

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Mr. Anon, @SFG, @AnotherDad, @pyrrhus, @mark miller, @NeoLogick

    When we’re gone, there won’t be anybody left to buy insurance or pay the taxes.

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Chinese and Desi-Americans may be up to the task but will they be willing?

    , @AceDeuce
    @The Anti-Gnostic


    When we’re gone, there won’t be anybody left to buy insurance or pay the taxes.
     
    Jesus Christ on a Harley Davidson. Do I ever hate this spineless, cucky wuck way of thinking.

    Yes, Aristotle, your statement checks out, but two things:

    1. We'll be, as you said, gone-dead; obliterated--and all that our ancestors built will be destroyed. Isn't that cutting off our noses to spite our faces, so to speak?

    2. Nigtards don't give a flying fark about five minutes from now, much less some nebulous future when the gravy train derails. After YT checks out, they'll simply live like Haitians do until the looted detritus runs out and then they'll die, uncomprehending.

    But, boy--we showed them, all right.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @PSR
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    And invent cool new stuff.

  11. “Big Country News” didn’t necessarily do the sharpest legal analysis of this case. The case, Washington v. Tesfasilasye, doesn’t say all jury verdicts are presumed to be racist. Rather, the case deals with the standard to be applied when one side exercises a peremptory challenge to get rid of a juror (i.e., rejecting a juror without having to articulate any reason that the juror might be biased — each side usually gets a certain number of such no-reason strikes). The Court had previously issued a rule saying that, if the opposing party claims a peremptory challenge was really based on the juror’s race, the judge is supposed to disallow the peremptory challenge “when an objective observer could view race as a factor in its use.” https://law.justia.com/cases/washington/supreme-court/2022/100-166-5.html

    This is still an awful woke rule, however. It basically eliminates peremptory challenges for all non-white jurors because the striking lawyer must prove he has a “good reason” to believe any non-white juror can’t be fair, which defeats the whole purpose of giving each side “peremptory” strikes. For example, this case says that if a juror knows someone whom they believe was unfairly treated by the justice system, that is not a non-racial reason to strike them. This is because “Our Black, Indigenous, and other People of Color communities are arrested, searched, and charged at significantly higher rates than White communities.” The court applied this rule to a rejected lady juror who was South Korean, and thus from a community that is arrested at significantly lower rates than the “White Community.” But whatever.

    Incidentally, the defendant was an Eritrean immigrant who worked as a driver for the disabled and was charged with sexually assaulting a blind lady. His conviction was overturned because he didn’t get the Korean lady on the jury.

    • Replies: @epebble
    @Hypnotoad666

    he didn’t get the Korean lady on the jury.

    rejected lady juror who was South Korean, and thus from a community that is arrested at significantly lower rates than the “White Community.”

    I need translation. So, the South Korean juror was rejected because she comes from a community that commits fewer crimes?

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Hypnotoad666

    My Bad. "Big Country News" was talking about a different civil opinion issued about two weeks after the criminal case with the Eritrean driver. (It would have been nice if they had given the case name or a link). https://www.courts.wa.gov/opinions/pdf/976724.pdf

    Anyway, in the civil case a black plaintiff claimed she got whiplash that supposedly exacerbated her pre-existing Tourette's syndrome. The defense presented a surveillance video of her working with no problems. The plaintiff had four of her friends say she used to be "the life of the party" but wasn't anymore. The jury apparently though she was faking and gave her just $9,200.

    The Washington Supreme Court however explained -- citing lots of woke social justice law review articles -- that under Washington law, it must be assumed that everyone thinks black women are "angry," "untrustworthy, lazy, deceptive, and greedy." And thus any implication that a particular black woman is lying to get money from your client is an inherently racist ground for reversal.


    "the court must grant an evidentiary hearing upon a prima facie showing of evidence that, if “taken as true, permits an inference that an objective observer who is aware of the influence of implicit bias could view race as a factor in the jury’s verdict.” Id. at 666. This standard speaks to possibility, not certainty, and to impact, rather than intent. . . . . .

    At the hearing, the trial court is to presume that racial bias affected the verdict, and the party benefiting from the alleged racial bias has the burden to prove it did not. . . If they cannot prove that racial bias had no effect on the verdict, then the verdict is incompatible with substantial justice, and the court should order a new trial under CR 59(a)(9).

    If they cannot prove that racial bias had no effect on the verdict, then the verdict is incompatible
    with substantial justice, and the court should order a new trial under CR 59(a)(9).
     


    For example, defense counsel repeatedly characterized Henderson as “combative” and “confrontational.” These terms evoke the harmful stereotype of an “angry Black woman.” See Trina Jones & Kimberly Jade Norwood, Aggressive Encounters & White Fragility: Deconstructing the Trope of the Angry Black Woman, 102 IOWA L. REV. 2017, 2049 (2017). This harmful
    negative stereotype affects the way others perceive and interact with Black women,
    and it can have significant negative social and interpersonal consequences for Black women, including influencing their experience and reasonable expression of anger.
     

    During closing arguments, Thompson’s counsel alluded to racist stereotypes about Black women as untrustworthy and motivated by the desire to acquire an unearned financial windfall. Defense counsel argued that Henderson’s injuries were minimal and intimated that the sole reason she had proceeded to trial was that she saw the collision as an opportunity for financial gain. . . . Defense counsel’s argument that Henderson was exaggerating or fabricating her injuries appealed to these negative and false stereotypes about Black women being untrustworthy, lazy, deceptive, and greedy
     
    Oh yeah, you also can't say the testimony by plaintiff's friends and family are less than credible because "Intimating that the Black witnesses had joined together to lie for the Black plaintiff could invite jurors to suspect them as a group and to make decisions based on biases about race and truthfulness. "

    The bottom line is that there is now judicial affirmative action in Washington State. If an "untrustworthy, lazy, deceptive, and greedy" black lady wants to take your money you can't deny she's telling the truth, or else you are trafficking in tropes. Of course you can call a white guy a lying bastard all day long, that goes without saying.

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

    , @J.Ross
    @Hypnotoad666

    Thanks for the clarification. Years ago NPR had a dishonest, smug, triumphant gotcha moment, when they effectively "discovered" what everyone has known since the OJ verdict or before, as a lawyer let it slip that they didn't want blacks on a jury. We are going to see more unexplained deaths as the left renders the police unusable and the courts meaningless. More people will learn the lesson of Armed Robbery, and either let construction site joggers jog, or shoot offenders without letting police know.

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

  12. Steve – apropos of our slide into anarcho-tyranny, the last remaining libertarians have given up on libertarianism:

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2022/11/no_author/a-20th-century-lesson/

    • Replies: @Liberty Mike
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    I do not think that the Z-Man has ever been a libertarian.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

  13. the facts must be viewed through the lens of an objective observer

    And as all objective observers know, the burden of proof should always be placed on white men to prove a negative. Proving a negative is definitely the way to go, if you want wise Latina logic in your verdicts.

    • Replies: @James Speaks
    @rebel yell


    “When a new trial is sought on the ground that racial bias affected the verdict, the facts must be viewed through the lens of an objective observer who is aware ‘that implicit, institutional, and unconscious biases, in addition to purposeful discrimination, have influenced jury verdicts in Washington State.’”
     
    Shorter Washington Supreme Court: To be objective, you must be biased.
    Similar to: allowing free speech on Twitter is now suppression.
    , @Anonymous
    @rebel yell


    And as all objective observers know, the burden of proof should always be placed on white men to prove a negative. Proving a negative is definitely the way to go, if you want wise Latina logic in your verdicts.
     
    Lol, wise “Latina”.

    Raquel Devahl Montoya-Lewis is an American attorney and jurist serving as an associate justice of the Washington Supreme Court. …Montoya-Lewis and her mother, who was born in Australia, are Jewish.[3][4]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raquel_Montoya-Lewis
     
    https://image-cdn.hypb.st/https:%2F%2Fhypebeast.com%2Fimage%2Fht%2F2016%2F09%2Fkim-kardashian-kanye-west-laughing-iphone-6-7-cover.jpg
    Lol, wise “Latina”.
  14. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    an African American woman who claimed her injury from a car accident aggravated her symptoms from Tourette’s Syndrome
     
    She could make good money as a Twitch streamer!

    Early life on Justice Raquel Montoya-Lewis:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raquel_Montoya-Lewis#Early_life_and_education

    Raised in New Mexico, she is a member of the Pueblo of Isleta and descended from the Pueblo of Laguna. Montoya-Lewis and her mother, who was born in Australia, are Jewish.
     
    I think she’s the love child of this guy:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spaYIeWZfk8

    Replies: @duncsbaby, @AndrewR

    Michael Horse is a good character actor and perhaps his finest role is playing an Indian in real life. From wikipedia:

    Horse has at times described himself as Yaqui,[12] and at other times as “of Yaqui descent”,[13] or “of Yaqui, Mescalero Apache, Zuni Pueblo and Hispanic” descent”,[14] but is not enrolled or recognized by any tribe.

  15. Placing my bet on the next innovation in the legal system: “Do you solemnly swear to tell your truth, your whole truth, and nothing but your truth, so help you You?”

  16. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Ebony Obelisk

    When we're gone, there won't be anybody left to buy insurance or pay the taxes.

    Replies: @duncsbaby, @AceDeuce, @PSR

    Chinese and Desi-Americans may be up to the task but will they be willing?

  17. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://twitter.com/realitypsychic1/status/1597618060705550338

    Replies: @Ralph L, @Clark Kent

    Here’s a 1721 map of Rome, when it was much smaller, that I ran into this morning (it’s an interesting tumblr for people who like classical architecture). The Vatican is on the edge of town.
    https://archimaps.tumblr.com/image/43722375426

  18. Is the article confusing “defendant” and “plaintiff”?

  19. In the middle ages the English nobility were exempted from being tried by juries of commoners. They had a right to be judged by their ‘peers’ that is other nobles.

    • Thanks: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    Like in "Kind Hearts and Coronets," where one privilege of being a duke is to be tried by the House of Lords and another is to be hanged with a silk noose.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @S Johnson, @Old Prude, @Kylie, @Jim Don Bob

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @Anonymous


    In the middle ages the English nobility were exempted from being tried by juries of commoners. They had a right to be judged by their ‘peers’ that is other nobles.
     
    This really shows what a crock of shit the whole jury system is!

    The barons were exempt from being tried by the peasants, because otherwise they would be hanged, drawn and quartered every time. On the other hand if they were tried by their peers, they would get a sympathetic nod and a wink every time they raped a peasant girl. Fined one groat and don't do it again, you rascal.

    One long-term effect of this is that in British English dictionaries the word peer that means a member of the House of Lords!

    The logical extension of the concept of trial by one's peers is that robbers should be tried by a jury of robbers, rapists by rapists, and so on.

    But seriously, juries are always going to be biased in one way or another.

    I was once the foreman of a jury in a drunk driving case in Florida. Don't you think that a jury of sober people who want to get home in time for supper are going to have little time for a defendant who refused a blood alcohol test and couldn't walk in a straight line and her attorney who was whining that the local cops were meanies?

    Now, if the jury had been drawn from the clients of a local bar it might have been a whole different story, because who knows when a juror might him/herself need a favor.

    A few days later I was standing next to the prosecuting attorney in the checkout in Walmart grocery, and we just gave each other a nod of recognition. If it had been in the alcohol section, we would have studiously ignored each other in case we were being watched.

  20. @Hypnotoad666
    "Big Country News" didn't necessarily do the sharpest legal analysis of this case. The case, Washington v. Tesfasilasye, doesn't say all jury verdicts are presumed to be racist. Rather, the case deals with the standard to be applied when one side exercises a peremptory challenge to get rid of a juror (i.e., rejecting a juror without having to articulate any reason that the juror might be biased -- each side usually gets a certain number of such no-reason strikes). The Court had previously issued a rule saying that, if the opposing party claims a peremptory challenge was really based on the juror's race, the judge is supposed to disallow the peremptory challenge "when an objective observer could view race as a factor in its use." https://law.justia.com/cases/washington/supreme-court/2022/100-166-5.html

    This is still an awful woke rule, however. It basically eliminates peremptory challenges for all non-white jurors because the striking lawyer must prove he has a "good reason" to believe any non-white juror can't be fair, which defeats the whole purpose of giving each side "peremptory" strikes. For example, this case says that if a juror knows someone whom they believe was unfairly treated by the justice system, that is not a non-racial reason to strike them. This is because "Our Black, Indigenous, and other People of Color communities are arrested, searched, and charged at significantly higher rates than White communities." The court applied this rule to a rejected lady juror who was South Korean, and thus from a community that is arrested at significantly lower rates than the "White Community." But whatever.

    Incidentally, the defendant was an Eritrean immigrant who worked as a driver for the disabled and was charged with sexually assaulting a blind lady. His conviction was overturned because he didn't get the Korean lady on the jury.

    Replies: @epebble, @Hypnotoad666, @J.Ross

    he didn’t get the Korean lady on the jury.

    rejected lady juror who was South Korean, and thus from a community that is arrested at significantly lower rates than the “White Community.”

    I need translation. So, the South Korean juror was rejected because she comes from a community that commits fewer crimes?

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @epebble


    So, the South Korean juror was rejected because she comes from a community that commits fewer crimes?
     
    Yeah, these legal cases are convoluted and hard to boil down. But here's the deal:

    The Korean lady was rejected as a juror by the prosecution as one of their peremptory strikes (for which they aren't supposed to need any reason). The defense objected, claiming that the prosecution really rejected the woman because of her race. The prosecution responded by saying they had a legitimate non-racial reason -- namely, that she said her son had been falsely accused of a sexual assault and forced to take a plea deal even though he was innocent. And therefore they thought she might be biased against prosecutors.

    But . . . a law in Washington State (actually a rule of procedure created by the WA Supreme Ct.), says that having a relative involved with the criminal justice system actually counts as a prohibited racial reason for striking a juror -- because blacks get arrested and charged more often than whites.
    So the irony is that you can't strike an apparently biased Korean because blacks get arrested more.
  21. @Anonymous
    There must be more to the story. A jury wouldn’t ask for the plaintiff not to be present during the verdict reading unless she delivered a courtroom shitshow that was remarkable.

    They were indicating they didn’t trust that the bailiff and/or other security personnel could stop her before she got to the jury box. That’s highly unusual.

    It MIGHT have been she acted like such a shit during the proceedings, as well as her family witnesses, they pissed the jury off, who then tried to punish her via the lesser money awarded, in which case an appeal would be valid.

    But her race shouldn’t ever be a factor, since racial bias in that scenario is impossible to qualify. It turns the justice system into a haunted house.

    Anyway… there’s more to this story that’s not been reported.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Jonathan Mason

    It turns the justice system into a haunted house.

  22. @Elli
    How many mulligans does a litigant get? The excerpt from the decision would seem to leave the number uncapped.

    Replies: @James Speaks

    Very many. Insurance companies have money, mostly by selling policies to whites who are careful not to make spurious claims, and negroes now want their “fair share.” The mantra seems to be: You gots to get that insurance money. That’s your insurance money.

    • Agree: Inverness
    • Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @James Speaks


    Very many. Insurance companies have money, mostly by selling policies to whites who are careful not to make spurious claims, and negroes now want their “fair share.” The mantra seems to be: You gots to get that insurance money. That’s your insurance money.
     
    There's a substantial proportion of the population which doesn't pay for insurance, but believes that insurance is an endless source of free money that replaces everything like new when something bad happens.
  23. @rebel yell

    the facts must be viewed through the lens of an objective observer
     
    And as all objective observers know, the burden of proof should always be placed on white men to prove a negative. Proving a negative is definitely the way to go, if you want wise Latina logic in your verdicts.

    Replies: @James Speaks, @Anonymous

    “When a new trial is sought on the ground that racial bias affected the verdict, the facts must be viewed through the lens of an objective observer who is aware ‘that implicit, institutional, and unconscious biases, in addition to purposeful discrimination, have influenced jury verdicts in Washington State.’”

    Shorter Washington Supreme Court: To be objective, you must be biased.
    Similar to: allowing free speech on Twitter is now suppression.

  24. @Hypnotoad666
    "Big Country News" didn't necessarily do the sharpest legal analysis of this case. The case, Washington v. Tesfasilasye, doesn't say all jury verdicts are presumed to be racist. Rather, the case deals with the standard to be applied when one side exercises a peremptory challenge to get rid of a juror (i.e., rejecting a juror without having to articulate any reason that the juror might be biased -- each side usually gets a certain number of such no-reason strikes). The Court had previously issued a rule saying that, if the opposing party claims a peremptory challenge was really based on the juror's race, the judge is supposed to disallow the peremptory challenge "when an objective observer could view race as a factor in its use." https://law.justia.com/cases/washington/supreme-court/2022/100-166-5.html

    This is still an awful woke rule, however. It basically eliminates peremptory challenges for all non-white jurors because the striking lawyer must prove he has a "good reason" to believe any non-white juror can't be fair, which defeats the whole purpose of giving each side "peremptory" strikes. For example, this case says that if a juror knows someone whom they believe was unfairly treated by the justice system, that is not a non-racial reason to strike them. This is because "Our Black, Indigenous, and other People of Color communities are arrested, searched, and charged at significantly higher rates than White communities." The court applied this rule to a rejected lady juror who was South Korean, and thus from a community that is arrested at significantly lower rates than the "White Community." But whatever.

    Incidentally, the defendant was an Eritrean immigrant who worked as a driver for the disabled and was charged with sexually assaulting a blind lady. His conviction was overturned because he didn't get the Korean lady on the jury.

    Replies: @epebble, @Hypnotoad666, @J.Ross

    My Bad. “Big Country News” was talking about a different civil opinion issued about two weeks after the criminal case with the Eritrean driver. (It would have been nice if they had given the case name or a link). https://www.courts.wa.gov/opinions/pdf/976724.pdf

    Anyway, in the civil case a black plaintiff claimed she got whiplash that supposedly exacerbated her pre-existing Tourette’s syndrome. The defense presented a surveillance video of her working with no problems. The plaintiff had four of her friends say she used to be “the life of the party” but wasn’t anymore. The jury apparently though she was faking and gave her just $9,200.

    The Washington Supreme Court however explained — citing lots of woke social justice law review articles — that under Washington law, it must be assumed that everyone thinks black women are “angry,” “untrustworthy, lazy, deceptive, and greedy.” And thus any implication that a particular black woman is lying to get money from your client is an inherently racist ground for reversal.

    “the court must grant an evidentiary hearing upon a prima facie showing of evidence that, if “taken as true, permits an inference that an objective observer who is aware of the influence of implicit bias could view race as a factor in the jury’s verdict.” Id. at 666. This standard speaks to possibility, not certainty, and to impact, rather than intent. . . . . .

    At the hearing, the trial court is to presume that racial bias affected the verdict, and the party benefiting from the alleged racial bias has the burden to prove it did not. . . If they cannot prove that racial bias had no effect on the verdict, then the verdict is incompatible with substantial justice, and the court should order a new trial under CR 59(a)(9).

    If they cannot prove that racial bias had no effect on the verdict, then the verdict is incompatible
    with substantial justice, and the court should order a new trial under CR 59(a)(9).

    For example, defense counsel repeatedly characterized Henderson as “combative” and “confrontational.” These terms evoke the harmful stereotype of an “angry Black woman.” See Trina Jones & Kimberly Jade Norwood, Aggressive Encounters & White Fragility: Deconstructing the Trope of the Angry Black Woman, 102 IOWA L. REV. 2017, 2049 (2017). This harmful
    negative stereotype affects the way others perceive and interact with Black women,
    and it can have significant negative social and interpersonal consequences for Black women, including influencing their experience and reasonable expression of anger.

    During closing arguments, Thompson’s counsel alluded to racist stereotypes about Black women as untrustworthy and motivated by the desire to acquire an unearned financial windfall. Defense counsel argued that Henderson’s injuries were minimal and intimated that the sole reason she had proceeded to trial was that she saw the collision as an opportunity for financial gain. . . . Defense counsel’s argument that Henderson was exaggerating or fabricating her injuries appealed to these negative and false stereotypes about Black women being untrustworthy, lazy, deceptive, and greedy

    Oh yeah, you also can’t say the testimony by plaintiff’s friends and family are less than credible because “Intimating that the Black witnesses had joined together to lie for the Black plaintiff could invite jurors to suspect them as a group and to make decisions based on biases about race and truthfulness. ”

    The bottom line is that there is now judicial affirmative action in Washington State. If an “untrustworthy, lazy, deceptive, and greedy” black lady wants to take your money you can’t deny she’s telling the truth, or else you are trafficking in tropes. Of course you can call a white guy a lying bastard all day long, that goes without saying.

    • Agree: Inverness
    • Thanks: Renard, Pixo
    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    @Hypnotoad666

    Oh, it’s those guys again.

    “War on Competent, White, Male King County, WA Prosecutor James Konat Continues Apace: NAACP Demands His Dismissal, and He is Removed from Two Murder Cases”

    https://nicholasstixuncensored.blogspot.com/2011/07/war-on-competent-white-male-king-county.html

  25. @Ebony Obelisk
    You guys lost

    Get over it

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Mr. Anon, @SFG, @AnotherDad, @pyrrhus, @mark miller, @NeoLogick

    You guys lost

    Get over it

    You’re stupid and worthless.

    Bet over it.

    And, BTW, you don’t know how to punctuate either.

  26. But isn’t claiming ‘Tourette’s syndrome’ cultural appropriation (dead white French guy etc etc?) on the part of the stereo-typed black lady, so equally deserving an assumption of bias?

  27. Another interesting new frontier in frontlashing, Google will now seek to ‘pre-debunk’ ‘misinformation’. IE, Google will seek to present something crazy to masses of people and deliberately try to make them think the dissenters believed it or seek to outright lie about something true.

    Prior to the Der Eloning of Twitter I noticed that my sidebar on Twitter would often do something like this. I would see ‘debunkings’ of crazy things that had never gone through the formality of trending or being seen by me.

    The whole idea it seemed to me was to create a false reality of the internet outside the Washington Post or on Twitter circles outside those of the mainstream and convince them that there was all this crazy ‘misinformation’ constantly going around and masses of ‘deplorables’ were believing it and look how we easily ‘debunked’ it!

    See also the whole ‘Q-Anon’ thing which sought to define this bunch of crazy stuff as the definition of dissent post 2016.

    In reality the people at Google defining ‘misinformation’ are going to be the kind of people who seek those positions and those people will tend to be neocons or those who don’t realise that since 2016 they’ve been eagerly gobbling up neocon propaganda to the point that we are now in a showdown with Russia in Ukraine that will either end in humiliating defeat for the West or WW3. But that Ukraine was being used as a proxy to fight Russia with no regard for it was ‘misinformation’ and any argument about the reality of the neocon agenda to do this would have been frontlashed away.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Altai

    Janky's back, in effectively the same position, using the Echelon trick. Now, instead of being US censorship kommissar, she's a British ambassador of misinformation, where her duties will be what they were. We need a way to get rid of spooks and bureaucrats and I don't mean retirement or abruptly claiming to be British.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Altai


    ... eagerly gobbling up neocon propaganda to the point that we are now in a showdown with Russia in Ukraine that will either end in humiliating defeat for the West or WW3. But that Ukraine ...
     
    Ukraine on the brain. Well, we made it to comment #27 this time.

    I realize Putin's War is the official Really Big Story of the year. And I don't dispute it--guns, bombs, tanks, missiles--is the dramatic oddity. But it is pretty much irrelevant to what ails us.

    Putin could have won his bet and had Ukraine fold up in week one, gobbled it up, annexed Belarus the next month and been Tsar of the Great Rus ... and all America's problems, the West's problems with the hostile elites pushing immivasion, minoritarianism, turning out our young women as barren sluts, would still be there. And for that matter all of Russia's problems of immivasion, low fertility, muslimification would still be there as well.

    Or Ukraine could achieve glorious victory, pushing the Russians all the way out ... and all the West's problems, and all of Russia's problems would be just the same.

    Or Putin could never have ginned up this folly ... and all the West's problems and all of Russia's problems would be just the same.


    Heck, the same would be true if Xi decides he needs to invade Taiwan to be great emperor (or something). Huge drama, and no doubt endless breathless "analysis" including here on iSteve ... but all the critical problems of the West, and all the critical problems of China will remain the same.

    All this 1914 style territorial drama may be exciting--bang, bang, boom, boom. And it is certainly deeply unpleasant for those unfortunates subjected to participating in it. But it is not what ails the West nor civilization in general.

    Replies: @BB753, @Mr. Anon, @Almost Missouri, @Reg Cæsar, @That Would Be Telling

    , @Veteran Aryan
    @Altai


    Prior to the Der Eloning of Twitter I noticed that my sidebar on Twitter would often do something like this. I would see ‘debunkings’ of crazy things that had never gone through the formality of trending or being seen by me.
     
    I see two types of "debunkings". One is where a claim or theory is dismissed without any inquiry (i.e. "Trump made baseless claims"). The other is simply a way to repeat a story while simultaneously claiming to be above it ("You'll never believe the salacious claims Deplorables are spreading about the Pelosi attack. We'll give you every juicy detail!")
    , @Jim Don Bob
    @Altai

    Only somewhat OT: here is Douglas MacGregor on what Russia has in store for Ukraine this winter.

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/washingtons-carthaginian-peace-collides-with-reality/

  28. @Zelo
    Well gosh, I can't wait to get my arms and legs blown off defending this system.

    Semper Fi!

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @SunBakedSuburb

    Yes!!! Exactly, exactly.

  29. It’s very important that Ukrainians stay under the influence of the hegemony of this system, right?

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Chrisnonymous

    Assuming direct war with Russia can be avoided, I'm coming around to support the US role in this war. Dead khokhols and dead vatniks... weakened Russia... All for a tiny fraction of our GDP... what's not to love?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Dieter Kief
    @Chrisnonymous


    It’s very important that Ukrainians stay under the influence of the hegemony of this system, right?
     
    This is the free West. We make mistakes, sure. - The Lord in the heavens above wants it that way, to show we are not like him. Being free means to be able to sin. Russians aren't free, becaus they are under the spell of Satan though. Their sins are poisonous. That is the main difference.
    (etc. pp.)

    Replies: @Unintended Consequence, @tyrone

  30. @Anonymous
    In the middle ages the English nobility were exempted from being tried by juries of commoners. They had a right to be judged by their 'peers' that is other nobles.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jonathan Mason

    Like in “Kind Hearts and Coronets,” where one privilege of being a duke is to be tried by the House of Lords and another is to be hanged with a silk noose.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @Steve Sailer

    I bet Charles I would have preferred that deal.

    Anyway, Washington state is well on its way to idiocracy.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Philip Neal

    , @S Johnson
    @Steve Sailer

    The last trial of a peer in the House of Lords was in 1935 for manslaughter (not guilty). The privilege was only abolished by the Attlee government in 1948.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Russell,_26th_Baron_de_Clifford

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Old Prude
    @Steve Sailer

    The military gives enlisted defendants the choice of a jury of officers, or of enlisted men. The JAG offcier who was briefing us on UCMJ laughed that the enlisted criminals always thought an enlisted jury would be more sympathetic. To quote Montgomery C. Burns "Fools!"

    Replies: @Hibernian

    , @Kylie
    @Steve Sailer

    Another privilege of being a duke is to be addressed as "Your Grace", however graceless your conduct may be.

    https://youtu.be/Lpr-7EX708M

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @Steve Sailer

    In one of the Peter Wimsey books, his older brother the Duke of Denver is being tried for murder in the House of Lords.

  31. @Hypnotoad666
    "Big Country News" didn't necessarily do the sharpest legal analysis of this case. The case, Washington v. Tesfasilasye, doesn't say all jury verdicts are presumed to be racist. Rather, the case deals with the standard to be applied when one side exercises a peremptory challenge to get rid of a juror (i.e., rejecting a juror without having to articulate any reason that the juror might be biased -- each side usually gets a certain number of such no-reason strikes). The Court had previously issued a rule saying that, if the opposing party claims a peremptory challenge was really based on the juror's race, the judge is supposed to disallow the peremptory challenge "when an objective observer could view race as a factor in its use." https://law.justia.com/cases/washington/supreme-court/2022/100-166-5.html

    This is still an awful woke rule, however. It basically eliminates peremptory challenges for all non-white jurors because the striking lawyer must prove he has a "good reason" to believe any non-white juror can't be fair, which defeats the whole purpose of giving each side "peremptory" strikes. For example, this case says that if a juror knows someone whom they believe was unfairly treated by the justice system, that is not a non-racial reason to strike them. This is because "Our Black, Indigenous, and other People of Color communities are arrested, searched, and charged at significantly higher rates than White communities." The court applied this rule to a rejected lady juror who was South Korean, and thus from a community that is arrested at significantly lower rates than the "White Community." But whatever.

    Incidentally, the defendant was an Eritrean immigrant who worked as a driver for the disabled and was charged with sexually assaulting a blind lady. His conviction was overturned because he didn't get the Korean lady on the jury.

    Replies: @epebble, @Hypnotoad666, @J.Ross

    Thanks for the clarification. Years ago NPR had a dishonest, smug, triumphant gotcha moment, when they effectively “discovered” what everyone has known since the OJ verdict or before, as a lawyer let it slip that they didn’t want blacks on a jury. We are going to see more unexplained deaths as the left renders the police unusable and the courts meaningless. More people will learn the lesson of Armed Robbery, and either let construction site joggers jog, or shoot offenders without letting police know.

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    @J.Ross

    I saw what you did! Brilliant, but maybe a little "cerebral," as Johnny used to say. But hey, okay by me!

  32. @Altai
    Another interesting new frontier in frontlashing, Google will now seek to 'pre-debunk' 'misinformation'. IE, Google will seek to present something crazy to masses of people and deliberately try to make them think the dissenters believed it or seek to outright lie about something true.

    https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1597661252456976384

    Prior to the Der Eloning of Twitter I noticed that my sidebar on Twitter would often do something like this. I would see 'debunkings' of crazy things that had never gone through the formality of trending or being seen by me.

    The whole idea it seemed to me was to create a false reality of the internet outside the Washington Post or on Twitter circles outside those of the mainstream and convince them that there was all this crazy 'misinformation' constantly going around and masses of 'deplorables' were believing it and look how we easily 'debunked' it!

    See also the whole 'Q-Anon' thing which sought to define this bunch of crazy stuff as the definition of dissent post 2016.

    In reality the people at Google defining 'misinformation' are going to be the kind of people who seek those positions and those people will tend to be neocons or those who don't realise that since 2016 they've been eagerly gobbling up neocon propaganda to the point that we are now in a showdown with Russia in Ukraine that will either end in humiliating defeat for the West or WW3. But that Ukraine was being used as a proxy to fight Russia with no regard for it was 'misinformation' and any argument about the reality of the neocon agenda to do this would have been frontlashed away.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @AnotherDad, @Veteran Aryan, @Jim Don Bob

    Janky’s back, in effectively the same position, using the Echelon trick. Now, instead of being US censorship kommissar, she’s a British ambassador of misinformation, where her duties will be what they were. We need a way to get rid of spooks and bureaucrats and I don’t mean retirement or abruptly claiming to be British.

  33. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://twitter.com/realitypsychic1/status/1597618060705550338

    Replies: @Ralph L, @Clark Kent

    WTF does this have to do with the story?

  34. @Chrisnonymous
    It's very important that Ukrainians stay under the influence of the hegemony of this system, right?

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Dieter Kief

    Assuming direct war with Russia can be avoided, I’m coming around to support the US role in this war. Dead khokhols and dead vatniks… weakened Russia… All for a tiny fraction of our GDP… what’s not to love?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @AndrewR

    Maybe Steve Sailer and Greg Cochran came around to this view from the beginning? That giving support to Ukraine would result in a whole lot of dead bodies in the region. And that was good for the globalist empire?

    Russia is likely to be in power, long-term

  35. @cthulhu
    I’m wondering when jurors will become personally liable for verdicts against non-whites.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @AndrewR, @Prester John

    I would definitely change that to “against more Officially Oppressed people” (you idiotically imply that a black juror would be punished for a verdict against a Chinaman, everything else being equal) but anyway: 2027 at the latest.

  36. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    an African American woman who claimed her injury from a car accident aggravated her symptoms from Tourette’s Syndrome
     
    She could make good money as a Twitch streamer!

    Early life on Justice Raquel Montoya-Lewis:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raquel_Montoya-Lewis#Early_life_and_education

    Raised in New Mexico, she is a member of the Pueblo of Isleta and descended from the Pueblo of Laguna. Montoya-Lewis and her mother, who was born in Australia, are Jewish.
     
    I think she’s the love child of this guy:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spaYIeWZfk8

    Replies: @duncsbaby, @AndrewR

    Every single time

  37. @Chrisnonymous
    It's very important that Ukrainians stay under the influence of the hegemony of this system, right?

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Dieter Kief

    It’s very important that Ukrainians stay under the influence of the hegemony of this system, right?

    This is the free West. We make mistakes, sure. – The Lord in the heavens above wants it that way, to show we are not like him. Being free means to be able to sin. Russians aren’t free, becaus they are under the spell of Satan though. Their sins are poisonous. That is the main difference.
    (etc. pp.)

    • LOL: Zelo, Cutter
    • Replies: @Unintended Consequence
    @Dieter Kief

    "Russians aren’t free, becaus they are under the spell of Satan though. Their sins are poisonous. That is the main difference."

    Give it time and you'll see just who is under Satan's influence. When a society rots from the inside, most people don't realize anything's wrong until the situation is intolerable for most people. This is why people don't stop the ensuing totalitarianism or its opposite, anarchy. They believe the old order still exists because that's what they expect to see.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

    , @tyrone
    @Dieter Kief

    Sometimes it's better to read your comment a few times before hitting publish .......it cuts down on goofy shit.

  38. > “the facts must be viewed through the lens of an objective observer who is aware ‘that implicit, institutional, and unconscious biases, in addition to purposeful discrimination, have influenced jury verdicts in Washington State.”

    Effective immediately, knowledge of the Replication Crisis is irrefutable grounds for disbarment in Washington State.

    What forgiveness? None.

  39. @Ebony Obelisk
    You guys lost

    Get over it

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Mr. Anon, @SFG, @AnotherDad, @pyrrhus, @mark miller, @NeoLogick

    Never get over it. You can lose and then win. Look at Poland.

    • Replies: @Rouetheday
    @SFG

    Are you referring to the World War or the World Cup? Or both?

  40. It’s a state supreme court, right? All the more reason to vote GOP and make sure the rest of the judiciary is as conservative as possible.

    • Replies: @Inverness
    @SFG

    But lots of people here believe that the key to winning is not to vote at all. That'll show 'em!

    The ever-greater democrat majorities that result will demonstrate to everyone how illegitimate their majorities are.

  41. It sounds like this woman managed to alienate every member of the jury. This is fairly typical. Almost anyone who falls under that category of angry black woman manages to do this with those around her. People quickly discover that trying to placate them makes them act worse. The old saying “give them an inch and they take a mile” is applicable here. Unfortunately, their bad temper is usually combined with incompetence which makes them double trouble. When dealing with them I have found that another old saying is applicable: “give them enough rope and they’ll hang themselves”.

  42. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Ebony Obelisk

    When we're gone, there won't be anybody left to buy insurance or pay the taxes.

    Replies: @duncsbaby, @AceDeuce, @PSR

    When we’re gone, there won’t be anybody left to buy insurance or pay the taxes.

    Jesus Christ on a Harley Davidson. Do I ever hate this spineless, cucky wuck way of thinking.

    Yes, Aristotle, your statement checks out, but two things:

    1. We’ll be, as you said, gone-dead; obliterated–and all that our ancestors built will be destroyed. Isn’t that cutting off our noses to spite our faces, so to speak?

    2. Nigtards don’t give a flying fark about five minutes from now, much less some nebulous future when the gravy train derails. After YT checks out, they’ll simply live like Haitians do until the looted detritus runs out and then they’ll die, uncomprehending.

    But, boy–we showed them, all right.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @AceDeuce


    ✝️ on a 🏍. Do I ever hate this spineless, cucky wuck way of thinking.
     
    A spoofer spoofs a spoofer, and it goes entirely over your head?

    Advice: don't make fun of anyone else here. EO 1, AG 1, AD O-- you don't make the final 16.
  43. @anon
    Early life check. Yep, every single time.

    Replies: @Wj, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Mr. Anon, @AnotherDad

    That caught me by surprise but your early life check verifies.

  44. @Dieter Kief
    @Chrisnonymous


    It’s very important that Ukrainians stay under the influence of the hegemony of this system, right?
     
    This is the free West. We make mistakes, sure. - The Lord in the heavens above wants it that way, to show we are not like him. Being free means to be able to sin. Russians aren't free, becaus they are under the spell of Satan though. Their sins are poisonous. That is the main difference.
    (etc. pp.)

    Replies: @Unintended Consequence, @tyrone

    “Russians aren’t free, becaus they are under the spell of Satan though. Their sins are poisonous. That is the main difference.”

    Give it time and you’ll see just who is under Satan’s influence. When a society rots from the inside, most people don’t realize anything’s wrong until the situation is intolerable for most people. This is why people don’t stop the ensuing totalitarianism or its opposite, anarchy. They believe the old order still exists because that’s what they expect to see.

    • Agree: BB753
    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @Unintended Consequence


    When a society rots from the inside, most people don’t realize anything’s wrong until the situation is intolerable for most people. This is why people don’t stop the ensuing totalitarianism or its opposite, anarchy. They believe the old order still exists because that’s what they expect to see.
     
    Agree. There is a status quo bias rooted deeply in our bodies & souls. - One of the strongest reasons for - unintended consequences...OTH - wouldn't life be a bit boring without them?
  45. @The Anti-Gnostic
    Steve - apropos of our slide into anarcho-tyranny, the last remaining libertarians have given up on libertarianism:

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2022/11/no_author/a-20th-century-lesson/

    Replies: @Liberty Mike

    I do not think that the Z-Man has ever been a libertarian.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Liberty Mike

    Lew Rockwell definitely is, and he's the one who linked to Z-Man's essay.

    Replies: @Curle

  46. @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    Like in "Kind Hearts and Coronets," where one privilege of being a duke is to be tried by the House of Lords and another is to be hanged with a silk noose.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @S Johnson, @Old Prude, @Kylie, @Jim Don Bob

    I bet Charles I would have preferred that deal.

    Anyway, Washington state is well on its way to idiocracy.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @The Alarmist

    I bet Charles I would have preferred that deal.

    Charles I was beheaded, which is a better way to go than being hanged. According to his Wikipedia entry, "Charles put his head on the block after saying a prayer and signaled the executioner when he was ready by stretching out his hands; he was then beheaded in one clean stroke."

    Hanging was considered an ignominious way to go. It often consisted of several minutes of strangulation while you thrashed about and soiled yourself. One of the conspiracists in the Lincoln assassination, Lewis Powell, comported himself with such dignity and stoicism after his arrest that his executioner promised him a quick death. At the time, the science of hanging was understood--the weight of the condemned was factored into the length of drop necessary to break his neck--but it didn't always work as intended. Powell was strong and he thrashed around wildly for nearly five minutes.

    BTW, Wikipedia has an interesting detail about Charles I's execution. The morning of his execution was cold and he asked for two shirts: "The season is so sharp as probably may make me shake, which some observers may imagine proceeds from fear. I would have no such imputation."

    Replies: @Ancient Briton

    , @Philip Neal
    @The Alarmist

    Charles I refused to recognise the court that tried him for the very reason that none of its members were from the House of Lords.

  47. Sometimes it just is staggering how far our society’s institutions are willing to go to distort rules and customs for the benefit of a group that collectively provides very little benefit or grace in return.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Arclight

    Sometimes it just is staggering how far our society’s institutions are willing to go to distort rules and customs for the benefit of a group that collectively provides little benefit or grace in return.


    Benefiting Blacks was never the point. These are intra-White virtue signaling status contests. Blacks are just the lego pieces used in the game.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @That Would Be Telling

    , @AnotherDad
    @Arclight


    Sometimes it just is staggering how far our society’s institutions are willing to go to distort rules and customs for the benefit of a group that collectively provides very little benefit or grace in return.
     
    Which one?
  48. @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    Like in "Kind Hearts and Coronets," where one privilege of being a duke is to be tried by the House of Lords and another is to be hanged with a silk noose.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @S Johnson, @Old Prude, @Kylie, @Jim Don Bob

    The last trial of a peer in the House of Lords was in 1935 for manslaughter (not guilty). The privilege was only abolished by the Attlee government in 1948.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Russell,_26th_Baron_de_Clifford

    • Thanks: Pixo, Dieter Kief
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @S Johnson


    The last trial of a peer in the House of Lords was in 1935 for manslaughter (not guilty).
     
    Would he have been hanged with a silk noose otherwise?
  49. @Ebony Obelisk
    You guys lost

    Get over it

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Mr. Anon, @SFG, @AnotherDad, @pyrrhus, @mark miller, @NeoLogick

    You guys lost

    Get over it

    EO your trolling is actually on to something with the first line.

    I do not think Americans–i.e. the sane people–are going to ever be able to flip this. Minoritarianism has been relentless propagandized for decades and the rainbow religion is just too deeply imbedded in millions–including millions of whites who should know better.

    However, I do think it is possible for us to demand and achieve separation into our own American communities. In fact most of America–geographically–is still American. The Rainbows are really the islands or strips (coastal metros, the black belt, Mexican areas).

    The key element is that Steve’s “Coalition of the Fringes” is actually parasitic upon us–normal productive people. It’s feeding on this large prosperous Western nation that has been and still is the reason the fringes are here and operate their coalition–instead of fleeing their terrible, terrible “oppression”.

    Let’s demand our right for people to decide–America or Rainbow?–and live as they wish.

    • Thanks: JR Ewing
  50. Looks like it’s our turn to get Nuremberg’d. The Constitution of the 1945-46 Tribunal included the following regulations for its conduct:

    “The Tribunal shall not be bound by technical rules of evidence” (Article 19)

    “The Tribunal shall not require proof of facts of common knowledge” (Article 21)

    Dovetails with the theory that the good Nazis are the ones in Ukraine who don’t exist, while whites in America are likely to be de-sheeted Klansmen.

  51. @Arclight
    Sometimes it just is staggering how far our society's institutions are willing to go to distort rules and customs for the benefit of a group that collectively provides very little benefit or grace in return.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @AnotherDad

    Sometimes it just is staggering how far our society’s institutions are willing to go to distort rules and customs for the benefit of a group that collectively provides little benefit or grace in return.

    Benefiting Blacks was never the point. These are intra-White virtue signaling status contests. Blacks are just the lego pieces used in the game.

    • Agree: AnotherDad, J.Ross, Poirot
    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @kaganovitch

    "Blacks are just the Lego pieces used in the game."

    To the brass, but not to the managerials and foot soldiers of the movement. They -- white Protestants, crazy white women with a dog waiting at home, indoctrinated white college kids, soft white men -- have internalized Black Sacralization. It is their value system; their religion. A faith that also includes in its syncretic muck Covidism, Science, transgenderism. If you're not on board with the entire kit and caboodle then YOU ARE NOT ONE OF US ONE OF US ONE OF US ONE OF US ONE OF US, ect.

    , @That Would Be Telling
    @kaganovitch


    for the benefit of a group that collectively provides little benefit or grace in return.
     
    The benefit of blacks voting for Democrats and being foot soldiers in their pervasive vote cheating is incalculable. Some might even realize this puts them in jeopardy if pretending to hold elections stops being a thing, there the points this subthread is making about culture are relevant.
  52. @James Speaks
    @Elli

    Very many. Insurance companies have money, mostly by selling policies to whites who are careful not to make spurious claims, and negroes now want their "fair share." The mantra seems to be: You gots to get that insurance money. That's your insurance money.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    Very many. Insurance companies have money, mostly by selling policies to whites who are careful not to make spurious claims, and negroes now want their “fair share.” The mantra seems to be: You gots to get that insurance money. That’s your insurance money.

    There’s a substantial proportion of the population which doesn’t pay for insurance, but believes that insurance is an endless source of free money that replaces everything like new when something bad happens.

  53. @Altai
    Another interesting new frontier in frontlashing, Google will now seek to 'pre-debunk' 'misinformation'. IE, Google will seek to present something crazy to masses of people and deliberately try to make them think the dissenters believed it or seek to outright lie about something true.

    https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1597661252456976384

    Prior to the Der Eloning of Twitter I noticed that my sidebar on Twitter would often do something like this. I would see 'debunkings' of crazy things that had never gone through the formality of trending or being seen by me.

    The whole idea it seemed to me was to create a false reality of the internet outside the Washington Post or on Twitter circles outside those of the mainstream and convince them that there was all this crazy 'misinformation' constantly going around and masses of 'deplorables' were believing it and look how we easily 'debunked' it!

    See also the whole 'Q-Anon' thing which sought to define this bunch of crazy stuff as the definition of dissent post 2016.

    In reality the people at Google defining 'misinformation' are going to be the kind of people who seek those positions and those people will tend to be neocons or those who don't realise that since 2016 they've been eagerly gobbling up neocon propaganda to the point that we are now in a showdown with Russia in Ukraine that will either end in humiliating defeat for the West or WW3. But that Ukraine was being used as a proxy to fight Russia with no regard for it was 'misinformation' and any argument about the reality of the neocon agenda to do this would have been frontlashed away.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @AnotherDad, @Veteran Aryan, @Jim Don Bob

    … eagerly gobbling up neocon propaganda to the point that we are now in a showdown with Russia in Ukraine that will either end in humiliating defeat for the West or WW3. But that Ukraine …

    Ukraine on the brain. Well, we made it to comment #27 this time.

    I realize Putin’s War is the official Really Big Story of the year. And I don’t dispute it–guns, bombs, tanks, missiles–is the dramatic oddity. But it is pretty much irrelevant to what ails us.

    Putin could have won his bet and had Ukraine fold up in week one, gobbled it up, annexed Belarus the next month and been Tsar of the Great Rus … and all America’s problems, the West’s problems with the hostile elites pushing immivasion, minoritarianism, turning out our young women as barren sluts, would still be there. And for that matter all of Russia’s problems of immivasion, low fertility, muslimification would still be there as well.

    Or Ukraine could achieve glorious victory, pushing the Russians all the way out … and all the West’s problems, and all of Russia’s problems would be just the same.

    Or Putin could never have ginned up this folly … and all the West’s problems and all of Russia’s problems would be just the same.

    Heck, the same would be true if Xi decides he needs to invade Taiwan to be great emperor (or something). Huge drama, and no doubt endless breathless “analysis” including here on iSteve … but all the critical problems of the West, and all the critical problems of China will remain the same.

    All this 1914 style territorial drama may be exciting–bang, bang, boom, boom. And it is certainly deeply unpleasant for those unfortunates subjected to participating in it. But it is not what ails the West nor civilization in general.

    • Thanks: ic1000, Old Prude
    • Replies: @BB753
    @AnotherDad

    What "ails" the West and civilization came straight out of 1914. Reducing the Great War to a "exciting territorial drama" is superficial at best , ignorant at worst. The world we live in today is largely the result of WWI and to a lesser extent WWII.
    Why do you think that neocons and western eñites would rather start WWIII than see a Russian victory? Because it would ruin their plans for the Great Reset. If they fail, they lose everything, because the Federal Reserve monetary model is broken beyond repair.
    In any case, the West would lose WWIII because Russian long-range missiles are faster and their air-defence vastly superior.
    Our treacherous elites would rather commit extended suicide than face poverty and humiliation or possibly the gallows.

    Replies: @Bill in Glendale

    , @Mr. Anon
    @AnotherDad

    The purpose of war is to permit the powerful to change society in ways that society would not have permitted in peacetime. This is as true for Putin as it is true for Zelensky and his paymasters in the West. It is true whether it is a "War on Nazis" (applies to either side in the current Russo-Ukrainian war as one side claims to be fighting "Nazis" and the other claims to be fighting the current Hitler). It is true if it is a War on Terror or a War on Viruses or a War on Carbon.

    , @Almost Missouri
    @AnotherDad


    Putin could have won his bet and had Ukraine fold up in week one, gobbled it up, annexed Belarus the next month and been Tsar of the Great Rus … and all America’s problems, the West’s problems with the hostile elites pushing immivasion, minoritarianism, turning out our young women as barren sluts, would still be there.
     
    Agree.

    Or Ukraine could achieve glorious victory, pushing the Russians all the way out … and all the West’s problems, and all of Russia’s problems would be just the same.
     
    Almost agree, but Washington DC's plan for when the Donbas separated from the Ukraine is the same as their plan for when anyone here tries to separate from the United States of Wokeness, and for the same reason: dissent is not allowed. The Donbas is for practice in case the "normal, productive " America of your previous comment (which I also agree with) ever takes your advice and tries to do the same: separate nations. DC wants everyone to know they will are willing to risk WWIII to prevent this. For the sake of the normal, productive America—and the future of all humanity—it would be good if DC is frustrated in this goal.

    Or Putin could never have ginned up this folly
     
    As has been amply demonstrated, the folly was ginned up by our domestic minoritarians in DC. Not that this changes anything in the foregoing paragraphs.

    All this 1914 style territorial drama may be exciting–bang, bang, boom, boom.
     
    Ask not for whom the bang booms; it booms for thee.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    @AnotherDad


    I realize Putin’s War is the official Really Big Story of the year. And I don’t dispute it–guns, bombs, tanks, missiles–is the dramatic oddity. But it is pretty much irrelevant to what ails us.
     
    Every major country is suffering its own serious demographic issues, and should stick to its own last. Both Ukraine and Russia still reel from the effects of ⅔ of the boys born 99 years ago, in 1923, not reaching their 24th birthday.


    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/67/Ukraine_population_pyramid.gif/260px-Ukraine_population_pyramid.gif

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e8/Russian_population_%28demographic%29_pyramid_%28structure%29_on_January%2C_1st%2C_2022.png/350px-Russian_population_%28demographic%29_pyramid_%28structure%29_on_January%2C_1st%2C_2022.png

    Indeed, Putin may be annexing population rather than territory, to make up for millions who have left. (Russian law also prohibits using conscripts outside the country, so these annexes-- recognized by no country other than the DPRK-- are a fig leaf of sorts.)

    Both Russia and Ukraine have seen their largest exoduses since Lenin's day. Barred from NATO lands, the Russians fled to friendlier ex-Soviet lands to the south, which have Russian minorities and don't require visas of them.

    Neither side has any business waging war. They need to stay home and breed. Note, though, both countries' recent male surplus. Have all their women left?

    If you have 22 minutes to spare, this video competes with any horror story on Netflix:



    https://youtu.be/f1WFrsz4g14

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @AnotherDad

    , @That Would Be Telling
    @AnotherDad


    Heck, the same would be true if Xi decides he needs to invade Taiwan to be great emperor (or something). Huge drama, and no doubt endless breathless “analysis” including here on iSteve … but all the critical problems of the West, and all the critical problems of China will remain the same.
     
    True in shape, albeit with the PRC losing some number of only children, but we'll all have less money, jobs etc. to deal with them. Or consider that our wealth is a hindrance to solving many of these problems, and even is a cause at least in part of many. "Luxury beliefs" is a useful concept.

    The difference between the Ukraine and Taiwan is that the latter is part of a great many supply chains, and is today the biggest player in logic chips, TSMC of course defining the state of the art, but there are plenty of smaller firms. So the world in general including the PRC will not be able to continue making a lot of things for some time.

    By comparison I'm not sure the Ukraine sans the Donbass was economically really important except as a country through which a lot of Russian oil and gas transited, but not reliably, a very big part of the motivation for the Nord Stream pipelines.
  54. @Arclight
    Sometimes it just is staggering how far our society's institutions are willing to go to distort rules and customs for the benefit of a group that collectively provides very little benefit or grace in return.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @AnotherDad

    Sometimes it just is staggering how far our society’s institutions are willing to go to distort rules and customs for the benefit of a group that collectively provides very little benefit or grace in return.

    Which one?

    • LOL: Inverness
  55. @Anonymous
    There must be more to the story. A jury wouldn’t ask for the plaintiff not to be present during the verdict reading unless she delivered a courtroom shitshow that was remarkable.

    They were indicating they didn’t trust that the bailiff and/or other security personnel could stop her before she got to the jury box. That’s highly unusual.

    It MIGHT have been she acted like such a shit during the proceedings, as well as her family witnesses, they pissed the jury off, who then tried to punish her via the lesser money awarded, in which case an appeal would be valid.

    But her race shouldn’t ever be a factor, since racial bias in that scenario is impossible to qualify. It turns the justice system into a haunted house.

    Anyway… there’s more to this story that’s not been reported.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Jonathan Mason

    Anyway… there’s more to this story that’s not been reported.

    That is for sure.

    To me the interesting thing is what the evidence was that the automobile accident increased her Tourette syndrome and how the jury evaluated that evidence.

    Tourette syndrome is a tic disorder. Nobody really knows the cause of Tourette syndrome and there is no medical test for it. It is believed to be an inherited condition that can be triggered by environmental factors. Often it starts in adolescence and fades out spontaneously.

    Was the woman’s demeanor in court taken by the jury as evidence of new brain damage caused by the accident?

    $9,000 in damages would hardly pay for an MRI scan in the US.

    Much more to the story.

    • Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    @Jonathan Mason

    Tourette syndrome is fake and gay, it's a plea for attention. It fades away spontaneously when she gets bored of or forgets to display her involuntary tics. Tourette was all the rage in early 2020 when a Genius noticed the word Tic in TikTok, which begat legions of TicTikTokking teenage girls. The fad has largely burned out.

    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Jonathan Mason

    A group of qualified jurors listen to a completely subjective, non-verifiable account and, mindful of their insurance premiums and cost-inflation, award a modest sum to cover some basic medical expenses. Under traditional Anglo-Saxon jurisprudence, that is the end of the matter; we the people are presumed to be capable of self-governance. So we decide things by juries instead of by bureaucratic overlords.

    That's how things work in a high-trust nation-state. But Diversity means we can no longer have nice things.

    Replies: @Known Fact

    , @mc23
    @Jonathan Mason

    Jim Eisenreich played 15 years for Major League Baseball with Tourette syndrome. When he played with the Phillies in the 1993 World Series there was speculation in the press over how the stress would affect him but he did well.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  56. @anon
    Early life check. Yep, every single time.

    Replies: @Wj, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Mr. Anon, @AnotherDad

    Shhhh. Steve doesn’t notice such things nor does he use his vaunted pattern recognition for one group.

    Steve’s “War on Noticing” that special, chosen if you will, group continues.

    You see, if Steve acknowledged that an ethic group working together could achieve tremendous power and influence over our society, well, his whole Citizenism thesis falls apart.

    Citizenism requires every group to put loyalty to their fellow citizens above loyalty to their group. If any group takes advantage of that by sticking together, all the other groups will do the same. Basic game theory.

    The usual suspects prove daily that Citizenism is a failed idea. Steve can either acknowledge that and come up with something new or ignore the power and influence of the usual suspects. He chooses the latter.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Citizen of a Silly Country


    Citizenism requires every group to put loyalty to their fellow citizens above loyalty to their group.
     
    So did plantation slavery. How did that work out? Johnny Reb paid dearly for his loyalty to race traitors. So much for white solidarity. The Lost Causers are the ultimate "citizenists". It was all about tariffs!


    On the other hand, race-blind "constitutional carry", about as citizenist a policy imaginable, is the law in almost half the states, and "shall-issue" permits, which you oppose-- "may issue" is more your thing-- in all but eight. Evidently Steve's idea has its successes.


    On the other other hand, you just kissed up to a washed-up Congoloid rapper with a white whore baby mama (assuming Armenians are white), who has trouble remembering his own name, whom Steve chooses to ignore.


    Steve can either acknowledge that and come up with something new...
     
    The only thing "new" you have ever come up with here is whining for more "identity politics". Because David Duke has seen so much more success than has Donald Trump or Ron DeSantis. Or Steve Sailer.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country

    , @Shetland
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Dunno. If you search his past articles, Steve has explicitly pointed out a lack of what he called noblesse oblige among this particular group. I also seem to recall him defending K MacDonald’s theory as not implausible on Twitter. All under his own name.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  57. @anon
    Early life check. Yep, every single time.

    Replies: @Wj, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Mr. Anon, @AnotherDad

    Early life check. Yep, every single time.

    As Dave Chapelle said – one thinks it, but does not speak of it.

  58. The case of Amhad Arbery and the three (white) Satilla residents who are presently doing “hard time” for defending themselves is a prime example of prosecutorial misconduct and double jeopardy, which MUST be addressed and outlawed.
    Arbery was a criminal POS who was casing construction sites for tools and other materials that he could steal and sell. He was observed at the same site previously on video as well.
    As there were break-ins and increased criminal activity, the three men were merely defending their neighborhood.
    Arbery refused to be questioned which was within his right.
    Arbery felt “disrespected” by being questioned and “doubled back”, attacking the man with the shotgun. Arbery attacked the man by pulling on the barrel of the shotgun causing it to fire. Anyone familiar with firearms knows that pulling on a barrel of a shotgun can cause it to fire. Arbery has that one fatal “flaw” that is present in all black DNA, the misperceived “shame” of being “disrespected” (even if no “disrespect” occurred) and the need to immediately “do something about it” (instant gratification).
    Arbery could (and should) have run off in any other direction, would not have been pursued, and would still be alive today. He chose to confront the man with the shotgun. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
    The original prosecutor refused to indict. The powers-that-be had to “shop” for a prosecutor who would take the case. It took three tries before they found one who would indict.
    This is prosecutorial “double jeopardy” which must be addressed and outlawed nationwide. The way it stands now, what is stopping a prosecutor from one jurisdiction from indicting someone from another jurisdiction when a local prosecutor having legal jurisdiction refuses to indict? We are all in trouble if this is allowed to stand.
    Also, the court was stacked against the white men just because they are white.
    Arbery’s previous extensive criminal record was not allowed to be disclosed and put into evidence.
    So-called “civil-rights icons”, Antifa and BLM types were in the courtroom, threatening violence if the “correct verdict” was not rendered.
    The jury was also warned that there would be violence if they did not convict.
    The “judge” went along with the threats and refused to run a proper court proceeding. The judge would not allow Arbery’s past extensive criminal record into evidence.
    The mainstream media fanned the flames of racial hatred against whites, making Arbery out to be a mere “jogger”, (yeah, right). Who in their right mind jogs 20 miles from home in work boots? The “mainstream media” stated that Arbery “was studying to be an electrician” and was merely observing (actually casing) construction sites…yeah, right. Arbery was looking for copper wire or anything else of value to steal, that being his stock in trade as an “electrician”.
    I pray that any appeals that the Satilla three place will be successful.
    Their prosecutorial double jeopardy and kangaroo court “trial” were both sh!tshow railroad jobs from the outset.
    Arbery was a POS who got just what he deserved. Unfortunately, three innocent White men are paying for Arbery’s behavior…

    • Agree: J.Ross
    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @anarchyst

    Great comment. The key phrase is "The mainstream media fanned the flames of racial hatred."

    The mainstream media is responsible for a great deal of death and destruction through its delight in fanning the flames. In a trial that has racial angle, the media can usually make sure that a white person will not get due process. Truly, as Trump said, the media is the enemy of the people.

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @anarchyst

    The Satilla 3 were stupid fools who tried to be vigilantes when a mentally ill man was nosing around their subdivision. Probably he WAS looking for something to steal.

    If they had any sense at all and really wanted to be helpful, they could have taken photographs of the intruder and gone to law enforcement to seek some kind of court order to exclude Arbery from the community.

    As it was the situation got out of control. As my mother used to say regarding toy guns, never point a gun at anybody, because you might accidentally poke their eye out.

    One of the Satilla 3 made the mistake of pointing a loaded weapon at the victim, and guess what happened next?

    Some prosecutors were sympathetic to the 3. After all they were not career criminals, and although very stupid, they believed they were doing the right thing, and the guy they shot was no great loss to the community.

    However the law does not care too much about your intentions, it is the end result that matters.

    It was tough luck on the Satilla 3 and their families that a quiet lunchtime suddenly turned into a totally unexpected event that ruined their lives, but sometimes the purpose of high profile punishment is to discourage others from doing the same thing.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Nicholas Stix, @anarchyst, @Anonymous

  59. @AnotherDad
    @Altai


    ... eagerly gobbling up neocon propaganda to the point that we are now in a showdown with Russia in Ukraine that will either end in humiliating defeat for the West or WW3. But that Ukraine ...
     
    Ukraine on the brain. Well, we made it to comment #27 this time.

    I realize Putin's War is the official Really Big Story of the year. And I don't dispute it--guns, bombs, tanks, missiles--is the dramatic oddity. But it is pretty much irrelevant to what ails us.

    Putin could have won his bet and had Ukraine fold up in week one, gobbled it up, annexed Belarus the next month and been Tsar of the Great Rus ... and all America's problems, the West's problems with the hostile elites pushing immivasion, minoritarianism, turning out our young women as barren sluts, would still be there. And for that matter all of Russia's problems of immivasion, low fertility, muslimification would still be there as well.

    Or Ukraine could achieve glorious victory, pushing the Russians all the way out ... and all the West's problems, and all of Russia's problems would be just the same.

    Or Putin could never have ginned up this folly ... and all the West's problems and all of Russia's problems would be just the same.


    Heck, the same would be true if Xi decides he needs to invade Taiwan to be great emperor (or something). Huge drama, and no doubt endless breathless "analysis" including here on iSteve ... but all the critical problems of the West, and all the critical problems of China will remain the same.

    All this 1914 style territorial drama may be exciting--bang, bang, boom, boom. And it is certainly deeply unpleasant for those unfortunates subjected to participating in it. But it is not what ails the West nor civilization in general.

    Replies: @BB753, @Mr. Anon, @Almost Missouri, @Reg Cæsar, @That Would Be Telling

    What “ails” the West and civilization came straight out of 1914. Reducing the Great War to a “exciting territorial drama” is superficial at best , ignorant at worst. The world we live in today is largely the result of WWI and to a lesser extent WWII.
    Why do you think that neocons and western eñites would rather start WWIII than see a Russian victory? Because it would ruin their plans for the Great Reset. If they fail, they lose everything, because the Federal Reserve monetary model is broken beyond repair.
    In any case, the West would lose WWIII because Russian long-range missiles are faster and their air-defence vastly superior.
    Our treacherous elites would rather commit extended suicide than face poverty and humiliation or possibly the gallows.

    • Replies: @Bill in Glendale
    @BB753

    "vastly superior"

    Just like their ground game?

    Replies: @BB753

  60. @anon
    Early life check. Yep, every single time.

    Replies: @Wj, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Mr. Anon, @AnotherDad

    She seems to be some sort of Indigjew.

    Should be asked how she feels about “nativism”. (Pretzel verbiage would no doubt pour forth all amounting to deplorable goys like me are bad, bad, bad.)

  61. @AnotherDad
    @Altai


    ... eagerly gobbling up neocon propaganda to the point that we are now in a showdown with Russia in Ukraine that will either end in humiliating defeat for the West or WW3. But that Ukraine ...
     
    Ukraine on the brain. Well, we made it to comment #27 this time.

    I realize Putin's War is the official Really Big Story of the year. And I don't dispute it--guns, bombs, tanks, missiles--is the dramatic oddity. But it is pretty much irrelevant to what ails us.

    Putin could have won his bet and had Ukraine fold up in week one, gobbled it up, annexed Belarus the next month and been Tsar of the Great Rus ... and all America's problems, the West's problems with the hostile elites pushing immivasion, minoritarianism, turning out our young women as barren sluts, would still be there. And for that matter all of Russia's problems of immivasion, low fertility, muslimification would still be there as well.

    Or Ukraine could achieve glorious victory, pushing the Russians all the way out ... and all the West's problems, and all of Russia's problems would be just the same.

    Or Putin could never have ginned up this folly ... and all the West's problems and all of Russia's problems would be just the same.


    Heck, the same would be true if Xi decides he needs to invade Taiwan to be great emperor (or something). Huge drama, and no doubt endless breathless "analysis" including here on iSteve ... but all the critical problems of the West, and all the critical problems of China will remain the same.

    All this 1914 style territorial drama may be exciting--bang, bang, boom, boom. And it is certainly deeply unpleasant for those unfortunates subjected to participating in it. But it is not what ails the West nor civilization in general.

    Replies: @BB753, @Mr. Anon, @Almost Missouri, @Reg Cæsar, @That Would Be Telling

    The purpose of war is to permit the powerful to change society in ways that society would not have permitted in peacetime. This is as true for Putin as it is true for Zelensky and his paymasters in the West. It is true whether it is a “War on Nazis” (applies to either side in the current Russo-Ukrainian war as one side claims to be fighting “Nazis” and the other claims to be fighting the current Hitler). It is true if it is a War on Terror or a War on Viruses or a War on Carbon.

  62. @Anonymous
    In the middle ages the English nobility were exempted from being tried by juries of commoners. They had a right to be judged by their 'peers' that is other nobles.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jonathan Mason

    In the middle ages the English nobility were exempted from being tried by juries of commoners. They had a right to be judged by their ‘peers’ that is other nobles.

    This really shows what a crock of shit the whole jury system is!

    The barons were exempt from being tried by the peasants, because otherwise they would be hanged, drawn and quartered every time. On the other hand if they were tried by their peers, they would get a sympathetic nod and a wink every time they raped a peasant girl. Fined one groat and don’t do it again, you rascal.

    One long-term effect of this is that in British English dictionaries the word peer that means a member of the House of Lords!

    The logical extension of the concept of trial by one’s peers is that robbers should be tried by a jury of robbers, rapists by rapists, and so on.

    But seriously, juries are always going to be biased in one way or another.

    I was once the foreman of a jury in a drunk driving case in Florida. Don’t you think that a jury of sober people who want to get home in time for supper are going to have little time for a defendant who refused a blood alcohol test and couldn’t walk in a straight line and her attorney who was whining that the local cops were meanies?

    Now, if the jury had been drawn from the clients of a local bar it might have been a whole different story, because who knows when a juror might him/herself need a favor.

    A few days later I was standing next to the prosecuting attorney in the checkout in Walmart grocery, and we just gave each other a nod of recognition. If it had been in the alcohol section, we would have studiously ignored each other in case we were being watched.

  63. Dual justice systems, one for non-whites and the other for whites.

    Seems kinda ominous.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Shouting Thomas

    This is what separate countries are for.

  64. @Altai
    Another interesting new frontier in frontlashing, Google will now seek to 'pre-debunk' 'misinformation'. IE, Google will seek to present something crazy to masses of people and deliberately try to make them think the dissenters believed it or seek to outright lie about something true.

    https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1597661252456976384

    Prior to the Der Eloning of Twitter I noticed that my sidebar on Twitter would often do something like this. I would see 'debunkings' of crazy things that had never gone through the formality of trending or being seen by me.

    The whole idea it seemed to me was to create a false reality of the internet outside the Washington Post or on Twitter circles outside those of the mainstream and convince them that there was all this crazy 'misinformation' constantly going around and masses of 'deplorables' were believing it and look how we easily 'debunked' it!

    See also the whole 'Q-Anon' thing which sought to define this bunch of crazy stuff as the definition of dissent post 2016.

    In reality the people at Google defining 'misinformation' are going to be the kind of people who seek those positions and those people will tend to be neocons or those who don't realise that since 2016 they've been eagerly gobbling up neocon propaganda to the point that we are now in a showdown with Russia in Ukraine that will either end in humiliating defeat for the West or WW3. But that Ukraine was being used as a proxy to fight Russia with no regard for it was 'misinformation' and any argument about the reality of the neocon agenda to do this would have been frontlashed away.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @AnotherDad, @Veteran Aryan, @Jim Don Bob

    Prior to the Der Eloning of Twitter I noticed that my sidebar on Twitter would often do something like this. I would see ‘debunkings’ of crazy things that had never gone through the formality of trending or being seen by me.

    I see two types of “debunkings”. One is where a claim or theory is dismissed without any inquiry (i.e. “Trump made baseless claims”). The other is simply a way to repeat a story while simultaneously claiming to be above it (“You’ll never believe the salacious claims Deplorables are spreading about the Pelosi attack. We’ll give you every juicy detail!”)

  65. @AnotherDad
    @Altai


    ... eagerly gobbling up neocon propaganda to the point that we are now in a showdown with Russia in Ukraine that will either end in humiliating defeat for the West or WW3. But that Ukraine ...
     
    Ukraine on the brain. Well, we made it to comment #27 this time.

    I realize Putin's War is the official Really Big Story of the year. And I don't dispute it--guns, bombs, tanks, missiles--is the dramatic oddity. But it is pretty much irrelevant to what ails us.

    Putin could have won his bet and had Ukraine fold up in week one, gobbled it up, annexed Belarus the next month and been Tsar of the Great Rus ... and all America's problems, the West's problems with the hostile elites pushing immivasion, minoritarianism, turning out our young women as barren sluts, would still be there. And for that matter all of Russia's problems of immivasion, low fertility, muslimification would still be there as well.

    Or Ukraine could achieve glorious victory, pushing the Russians all the way out ... and all the West's problems, and all of Russia's problems would be just the same.

    Or Putin could never have ginned up this folly ... and all the West's problems and all of Russia's problems would be just the same.


    Heck, the same would be true if Xi decides he needs to invade Taiwan to be great emperor (or something). Huge drama, and no doubt endless breathless "analysis" including here on iSteve ... but all the critical problems of the West, and all the critical problems of China will remain the same.

    All this 1914 style territorial drama may be exciting--bang, bang, boom, boom. And it is certainly deeply unpleasant for those unfortunates subjected to participating in it. But it is not what ails the West nor civilization in general.

    Replies: @BB753, @Mr. Anon, @Almost Missouri, @Reg Cæsar, @That Would Be Telling

    Putin could have won his bet and had Ukraine fold up in week one, gobbled it up, annexed Belarus the next month and been Tsar of the Great Rus … and all America’s problems, the West’s problems with the hostile elites pushing immivasion, minoritarianism, turning out our young women as barren sluts, would still be there.

    Agree.

    Or Ukraine could achieve glorious victory, pushing the Russians all the way out … and all the West’s problems, and all of Russia’s problems would be just the same.

    Almost agree, but Washington DC’s plan for when the Donbas separated from the Ukraine is the same as their plan for when anyone here tries to separate from the United States of Wokeness, and for the same reason: dissent is not allowed. The Donbas is for practice in case the “normal, productive ” America of your previous comment (which I also agree with) ever takes your advice and tries to do the same: separate nations. DC wants everyone to know they will are willing to risk WWIII to prevent this. For the sake of the normal, productive America—and the future of all humanity—it would be good if DC is frustrated in this goal.

    Or Putin could never have ginned up this folly

    As has been amply demonstrated, the folly was ginned up by our domestic minoritarians in DC. Not that this changes anything in the foregoing paragraphs.

    All this 1914 style territorial drama may be exciting–bang, bang, boom, boom.

    Ask not for whom the bang booms; it booms for thee.

  66. Anon[171] • Disclaimer says:

    UCal Berkeley publishes the sad experiences of an Affirmative Action black girl who couldn’t cut the mustard in college life:

    UC Berkeley began to take a toll on me, and all of sudden my existence in a fat, Black and disabled body was pushed to the forefront.

    After spraining her ankle, the young lady seeks help from a college education support specialist, who probably says some very revealing things behind closed doors:

    To that specialist, not only was I not “disabled enough,” but they also felt as if my inherent need for accommodations as a Black student would not translate well — somehow coming across as me taking advantage of the “system.”

    Someone gives her advice:

    I was told that I just needed to enjoy the “full ride” I supposedly received and be happy with the support I already had.

    It’s sad because she certainly took someone else’s place at the university, and sad because the pitiable thing would be happier elsewhere. Of course, I’m sure the next few decades of her career will consist of revenge on those who made her feel inferior.

    Source: https://dailycal.org/2022/11/27/failing-at-uc-berkeley

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Anon

    "It’s sad because she [typical angry black girl] certainly took someone else’s place at the [prestige] university,"

    Eh, the person who got displaced would have been just one more mooching Asian immigrant, so no big loss either way.

  67. @Ebony Obelisk
    You guys lost

    Get over it

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Mr. Anon, @SFG, @AnotherDad, @pyrrhus, @mark miller, @NeoLogick

    Just keep creating a world that no one, especially the sacred dark ones, would want to live in…They want to live in white world, but don’t want to play by the rules of white world…shame

  68. Justice Raquel Montoya-Lewis was appointed to the Washington State Supreme Court by Governor Jay Inslee in December 2019 and took the oath of office on January 6, 2020. Justice Montoya-Lewis is an enrolled member of the Pueblo of Isleta and a descendant of the Pueblo of Laguna, two federally recognized tribes in New Mexico. She is the first enrolled member of any tribe to sit on a state supreme court in the U.S. and the second Native American to sit on a state supreme court. She is also of Jewish descent.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Patrick in SC

    Here come Da Judge. She looks about 4' 10" and 200 lbs. And since when did the Chosen and the feather Injuns start miscegenating?

    https://www.thedailyscrum.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/j3-1024x819.jpeg

    Replies: @Anon

  69. @Jonathan Mason
    @Anonymous


    Anyway… there’s more to this story that’s not been reported.
     
    That is for sure.

    To me the interesting thing is what the evidence was that the automobile accident increased her Tourette syndrome and how the jury evaluated that evidence.

    Tourette syndrome is a tic disorder. Nobody really knows the cause of Tourette syndrome and there is no medical test for it. It is believed to be an inherited condition that can be triggered by environmental factors. Often it starts in adolescence and fades out spontaneously.

    Was the woman's demeanor in court taken by the jury as evidence of new brain damage caused by the accident?

    $9,000 in damages would hardly pay for an MRI scan in the US.

    Much more to the story.

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @The Anti-Gnostic, @mc23

    Tourette syndrome is fake and gay, it’s a plea for attention. It fades away spontaneously when she gets bored of or forgets to display her involuntary tics. Tourette was all the rage in early 2020 when a Genius noticed the word Tic in TikTok, which begat legions of TicTikTokking teenage girls. The fad has largely burned out.

  70. @Shouting Thomas
    Dual justice systems, one for non-whites and the other for whites.

    Seems kinda ominous.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    This is what separate countries are for.

    • Agree: Inverness, AnotherDad
  71. @SFG
    It's a state supreme court, right? All the more reason to vote GOP and make sure the rest of the judiciary is as conservative as possible.

    Replies: @Inverness

    But lots of people here believe that the key to winning is not to vote at all. That’ll show ’em!

    The ever-greater democrat majorities that result will demonstrate to everyone how illegitimate their majorities are.

  72. @Jonathan Mason
    @Anonymous


    Anyway… there’s more to this story that’s not been reported.
     
    That is for sure.

    To me the interesting thing is what the evidence was that the automobile accident increased her Tourette syndrome and how the jury evaluated that evidence.

    Tourette syndrome is a tic disorder. Nobody really knows the cause of Tourette syndrome and there is no medical test for it. It is believed to be an inherited condition that can be triggered by environmental factors. Often it starts in adolescence and fades out spontaneously.

    Was the woman's demeanor in court taken by the jury as evidence of new brain damage caused by the accident?

    $9,000 in damages would hardly pay for an MRI scan in the US.

    Much more to the story.

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @The Anti-Gnostic, @mc23

    A group of qualified jurors listen to a completely subjective, non-verifiable account and, mindful of their insurance premiums and cost-inflation, award a modest sum to cover some basic medical expenses. Under traditional Anglo-Saxon jurisprudence, that is the end of the matter; we the people are presumed to be capable of self-governance. So we decide things by juries instead of by bureaucratic overlords.

    That’s how things work in a high-trust nation-state. But Diversity means we can no longer have nice things.

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    I was on a six boring white guy/six sassy black woman jury and we all got along and agreed the dot-Indian plaintiff had suffered terrible government workplace discrimination (such as being called a dipstick).

    But the damages portion of our deliberations became chaotic as the guys tried to compute some realistic award while the ladies were haphazardly throwing around numbers in the jillions and gazillions -- of taxpayer money, mind you.

  73. Seems to me this is a fat pitch for the U.S. Supreme Court to swing at on Equal Protection grounds.

  74. It sure is great we’ve finally gotten to that glorious “color blind” society our betters have been tirelessly working towards…

  75. @S Johnson
    @Steve Sailer

    The last trial of a peer in the House of Lords was in 1935 for manslaughter (not guilty). The privilege was only abolished by the Attlee government in 1948.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Russell,_26th_Baron_de_Clifford

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The last trial of a peer in the House of Lords was in 1935 for manslaughter (not guilty).

    Would he have been hanged with a silk noose otherwise?

  76. Anonymous[131] • Disclaimer says:
    @rebel yell

    the facts must be viewed through the lens of an objective observer
     
    And as all objective observers know, the burden of proof should always be placed on white men to prove a negative. Proving a negative is definitely the way to go, if you want wise Latina logic in your verdicts.

    Replies: @James Speaks, @Anonymous

    And as all objective observers know, the burden of proof should always be placed on white men to prove a negative. Proving a negative is definitely the way to go, if you want wise Latina logic in your verdicts.

    Lol, wise “Latina”.

    Raquel Devahl Montoya-Lewis is an American attorney and jurist serving as an associate justice of the Washington Supreme Court. …Montoya-Lewis and her mother, who was born in Australia, are Jewish.[3][4]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raquel_Montoya-Lewis


    Lol, wise “Latina”.

  77. Of course letting black sociopaths off the hook so they can continue to kill each other, and maim black women and children in their own communities is never floated as a second order pitfall of Soros & co.’s activism. Blacks are drunk on the lies that their hebraic masters tell them – that record levels of interpersonal violence in black communities are a white conspiracy – and they are worse off for it. Just let them burn down their own communities and the immigrant communities that try to service them. This barely affects ordinary white people. Unless the liberal fascists figure out how to restrict interstate migration, then black ‘communities’ will continue to rot apace out of sight and out of mind.

  78. @Zelo
    Well gosh, I can't wait to get my arms and legs blown off defending this system.

    Semper Fi!

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @SunBakedSuburb

    ” … I can’t wait to get my arms and legs blown off defending this system.”

    Pre the Great Racial Awakening I used to recommend to young white men bored with jobs, with college, to enlist for four years in the service of their choice. Because that’s what I did when the college classroom became a prison. It was challenging but also a worthwhile adventure. Although none of the skills required for my MOS did not translate to civilian life. At all. But now: Young white man do not sacrifice your youth and possibly your life for a system that wants you on your knees. In addition, seek another home and life in a country that doesn’t want to disappear you.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @SunBakedSuburb


    In addition, seek another home and life in a country that doesn’t want to disappear you.
     
    Nah. Stay in the game here, acquire life skills, get training in death skills, and live, laugh, love. The United States is still the best place to be to get stuff done, or just bee yourself. We’re going to need more than a few good men and women to turn it around. It can be done.
    , @Veteran Aryan
    @SunBakedSuburb


    In addition, seek another home and life in a country that doesn’t want to disappear you.
     
    White diaspora.
  79. @kaganovitch
    @Arclight

    Sometimes it just is staggering how far our society’s institutions are willing to go to distort rules and customs for the benefit of a group that collectively provides little benefit or grace in return.


    Benefiting Blacks was never the point. These are intra-White virtue signaling status contests. Blacks are just the lego pieces used in the game.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @That Would Be Telling

    “Blacks are just the Lego pieces used in the game.”

    To the brass, but not to the managerials and foot soldiers of the movement. They — white Protestants, crazy white women with a dog waiting at home, indoctrinated white college kids, soft white men — have internalized Black Sacralization. It is their value system; their religion. A faith that also includes in its syncretic muck Covidism, Science, transgenderism. If you’re not on board with the entire kit and caboodle then YOU ARE NOT ONE OF US ONE OF US ONE OF US ONE OF US ONE OF US, ect.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  80. @AnotherDad
    @Altai


    ... eagerly gobbling up neocon propaganda to the point that we are now in a showdown with Russia in Ukraine that will either end in humiliating defeat for the West or WW3. But that Ukraine ...
     
    Ukraine on the brain. Well, we made it to comment #27 this time.

    I realize Putin's War is the official Really Big Story of the year. And I don't dispute it--guns, bombs, tanks, missiles--is the dramatic oddity. But it is pretty much irrelevant to what ails us.

    Putin could have won his bet and had Ukraine fold up in week one, gobbled it up, annexed Belarus the next month and been Tsar of the Great Rus ... and all America's problems, the West's problems with the hostile elites pushing immivasion, minoritarianism, turning out our young women as barren sluts, would still be there. And for that matter all of Russia's problems of immivasion, low fertility, muslimification would still be there as well.

    Or Ukraine could achieve glorious victory, pushing the Russians all the way out ... and all the West's problems, and all of Russia's problems would be just the same.

    Or Putin could never have ginned up this folly ... and all the West's problems and all of Russia's problems would be just the same.


    Heck, the same would be true if Xi decides he needs to invade Taiwan to be great emperor (or something). Huge drama, and no doubt endless breathless "analysis" including here on iSteve ... but all the critical problems of the West, and all the critical problems of China will remain the same.

    All this 1914 style territorial drama may be exciting--bang, bang, boom, boom. And it is certainly deeply unpleasant for those unfortunates subjected to participating in it. But it is not what ails the West nor civilization in general.

    Replies: @BB753, @Mr. Anon, @Almost Missouri, @Reg Cæsar, @That Would Be Telling

    I realize Putin’s War is the official Really Big Story of the year. And I don’t dispute it–guns, bombs, tanks, missiles–is the dramatic oddity. But it is pretty much irrelevant to what ails us.

    Every major country is suffering its own serious demographic issues, and should stick to its own last. Both Ukraine and Russia still reel from the effects of ⅔ of the boys born 99 years ago, in 1923, not reaching their 24th birthday.

    Indeed, Putin may be annexing population rather than territory, to make up for millions who have left. (Russian law also prohibits using conscripts outside the country, so these annexes– recognized by no country other than the DPRK– are a fig leaf of sorts.)

    Both Russia and Ukraine have seen their largest exoduses since Lenin’s day. Barred from NATO lands, the Russians fled to friendlier ex-Soviet lands to the south, which have Russian minorities and don’t require visas of them.

    Neither side has any business waging war. They need to stay home and breed. Note, though, both countries’ recent male surplus. Have all their women left?

    If you have 22 minutes to spare, this video competes with any horror story on Netflix:

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Reg Cæsar

    Is there, do you think, any possible chance that the "Collapse Of Russia" video is a production of one of the 56 PR firms who were retained by Ukraine at the start of the conflict, or perhaps the many more which will have come on board since? Not that I think this war is anything but bad for both Russians and Ukrainians, but it's a defensive war as far as Russia's concerned.

    Incidentally Ursula van der Leyen, EU Gauleiter, has said in a speech that Ukraine have suffered 20,000 civilian deaths (I don't know if she includes the 15,000-odd in the Donbass/Luhansk 2014-2020) and 100,000 military deaths. Talk about letting the cat out of the bag.

    Which country has most Ukrainian refugees btw? Russia!

    Interesting paper presented at an HIV conference in Glasgow last month, on the HIV status of Ukrainian refugees.

    https://www.aidsmap.com/news/oct-2022/so-far-poland-has-seen-fewer-ukrainian-refugees-hiv-expected

    Polish HIV people are gay types getting it by the back door route.

    Ukrainian (and presumably Russian, who are still culturally close) HIV people are overwhelmingly heterosexuals who've got it from intravenous drug users.


    "in Poland’s HIV epidemic, 80% of infections are due to sex between men. Ukraine’s HIV epidemic, on the other hand, having started in people who inject drugs, is now dominated by heterosexually acquired infections. Seventy per cent of refugees arriving in Poland and registering for HIV treatment had acquired HIV heterosexually and, since three-quarters of Ukrainian war refugees are women, heterosexual women form half of the HIV-positive refugees coming forward for treatment.

    Seventy-one per cent reported that their risk factor for HIV had been heterosexual sex. Thirteen per cent had acquired HIV through injecting drugs and 6% were gay or bisexual men. Two per cent had acquired HIV as babies."
     

    (incidentally, "Gay" was a girl's given name in Britain until at least 1981, according to birth records. I very much doubt it's popular now.)

    Replies: @CharleszMartel, @Reg Cæsar

    , @AnotherDad
    @Reg Cæsar


    Every major country is suffering its own serious demographic issues, and should stick to its own last. Both Ukraine and Russia still reel from the effects of ⅔ of the boys born 99 years ago, in 1923, not reaching their 24th birthday
     
    Still "feeling", but not "reeling", from those effects. Sure, peak War put a very hard crimp on Russian baby production. But these sorts of demographic crises smooth out over time. Russia recovered very smartly in the 50s. There is a--1967 bottom--War echo, but it is mild, and Russia recovered to an even higher peak (looks to be 1987).

    It's true that the post-Soviet fertility collapse happened to line up with--and be intensified by--the lower 1960s born War echo. But it is that fertility collapse itself that's the issue. The 1960s bottom--even today with a slice of those people deceased--is still bigger than the 90s bottom (1.7m to 1.4m) and the 90s bottom is much, much wider. And the 80s top is much bigger than the early 10s top (2.6 to <2.0m)--again even with the 80s cohorts deaths and out-migration.

    That's the Russian problem--failure to reproduce. And it is no doubt even worse among ethnic Russians than the various (mostly muzzie) minorities.

    This ought to be job #1 for a Russian leader--along with stopping illegal immigration and cutting lose Muslim provinces like Chechnya. Suffice it to say, that is not the case. Putin is more obsessed with being "big", than being "Russian". He just isn't actively hostile to the core population like "American" elites.

    Replies: @mc23, @YetAnotherAnon

  81. @epebble
    @Hypnotoad666

    he didn’t get the Korean lady on the jury.

    rejected lady juror who was South Korean, and thus from a community that is arrested at significantly lower rates than the “White Community.”

    I need translation. So, the South Korean juror was rejected because she comes from a community that commits fewer crimes?

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    So, the South Korean juror was rejected because she comes from a community that commits fewer crimes?

    Yeah, these legal cases are convoluted and hard to boil down. But here’s the deal:

    The Korean lady was rejected as a juror by the prosecution as one of their peremptory strikes (for which they aren’t supposed to need any reason). The defense objected, claiming that the prosecution really rejected the woman because of her race. The prosecution responded by saying they had a legitimate non-racial reason — namely, that she said her son had been falsely accused of a sexual assault and forced to take a plea deal even though he was innocent. And therefore they thought she might be biased against prosecutors.

    But . . . a law in Washington State (actually a rule of procedure created by the WA Supreme Ct.), says that having a relative involved with the criminal justice system actually counts as a prohibited racial reason for striking a juror — because blacks get arrested and charged more often than whites.
    So the irony is that you can’t strike an apparently biased Korean because blacks get arrested more.

    • Thanks: epebble
  82. @HammerJack
    @cthulhu

    We're already way past that. Remember the judges in certain notorious cases making the identities of jurors public so they'll be sure to render the "right" verdict.


    Cited as evidence of racial bias were statements by the defendant’s lawyer that seemed to indicate racial stereotyping, including describing the defendant as “confrontational” and “combative”

     

    Any references to the Numinous Ones which imply that they are anything other than Sacred Deities shall constitute prima facie evidence of racism, punishable by mega millions in gibs!

    "the party seeking to uphold the verdict must prove how it did not. If they cannot prove that racial bias was not a factor, that verdict is fundamentally incompatible with substantial justice.”
     
    Meanwhile: Proving a negative? Surely all y'all tricky wypipos is up to that task.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    Any references to the Numinous Ones which imply that they are anything other than Sacred Deities shall constitute prima facie evidence of racism, punishable by mega millions in gibs!

    At least this dude actually ran into this obnoxious woman’s car. That’s happened to me twice and it’s a legit pain in the ass. (Though I didn’t go running to Dewey Cheatem and Howe.)

    The Floyd family collected $27 million! Seriously. That’s $63 for every man, woman and child in Minneapolis going to these lowlifes because their POS criminal drug dealing relative swallowed his own drugs, resisted arrested and managed to OD in police custody before the ambulance showed up.

    • Agree: Mark G., bomag
    • Replies: @Inverness
    @AnotherDad

    I just hope it was only Minneapolis residents that paid.

  83. It sure is great we’ve finally reached that “color blind” Valhalla our betters have been tirelessly striving for all these decades…

  84. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Ebony Obelisk

    When we're gone, there won't be anybody left to buy insurance or pay the taxes.

    Replies: @duncsbaby, @AceDeuce, @PSR

    And invent cool new stuff.

  85. @Reg Cæsar
    @AnotherDad


    I realize Putin’s War is the official Really Big Story of the year. And I don’t dispute it–guns, bombs, tanks, missiles–is the dramatic oddity. But it is pretty much irrelevant to what ails us.
     
    Every major country is suffering its own serious demographic issues, and should stick to its own last. Both Ukraine and Russia still reel from the effects of ⅔ of the boys born 99 years ago, in 1923, not reaching their 24th birthday.


    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/67/Ukraine_population_pyramid.gif/260px-Ukraine_population_pyramid.gif

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e8/Russian_population_%28demographic%29_pyramid_%28structure%29_on_January%2C_1st%2C_2022.png/350px-Russian_population_%28demographic%29_pyramid_%28structure%29_on_January%2C_1st%2C_2022.png

    Indeed, Putin may be annexing population rather than territory, to make up for millions who have left. (Russian law also prohibits using conscripts outside the country, so these annexes-- recognized by no country other than the DPRK-- are a fig leaf of sorts.)

    Both Russia and Ukraine have seen their largest exoduses since Lenin's day. Barred from NATO lands, the Russians fled to friendlier ex-Soviet lands to the south, which have Russian minorities and don't require visas of them.

    Neither side has any business waging war. They need to stay home and breed. Note, though, both countries' recent male surplus. Have all their women left?

    If you have 22 minutes to spare, this video competes with any horror story on Netflix:



    https://youtu.be/f1WFrsz4g14

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @AnotherDad

    Is there, do you think, any possible chance that the “Collapse Of Russia” video is a production of one of the 56 PR firms who were retained by Ukraine at the start of the conflict, or perhaps the many more which will have come on board since? Not that I think this war is anything but bad for both Russians and Ukrainians, but it’s a defensive war as far as Russia’s concerned.

    Incidentally Ursula van der Leyen, EU Gauleiter, has said in a speech that Ukraine have suffered 20,000 civilian deaths (I don’t know if she includes the 15,000-odd in the Donbass/Luhansk 2014-2020) and 100,000 military deaths. Talk about letting the cat out of the bag.

    Which country has most Ukrainian refugees btw? Russia!

    Interesting paper presented at an HIV conference in Glasgow last month, on the HIV status of Ukrainian refugees.

    https://www.aidsmap.com/news/oct-2022/so-far-poland-has-seen-fewer-ukrainian-refugees-hiv-expected

    Polish HIV people are gay types getting it by the back door route.

    Ukrainian (and presumably Russian, who are still culturally close) HIV people are overwhelmingly heterosexuals who’ve got it from intravenous drug users.

    “in Poland’s HIV epidemic, 80% of infections are due to sex between men. Ukraine’s HIV epidemic, on the other hand, having started in people who inject drugs, is now dominated by heterosexually acquired infections. Seventy per cent of refugees arriving in Poland and registering for HIV treatment had acquired HIV heterosexually and, since three-quarters of Ukrainian war refugees are women, heterosexual women form half of the HIV-positive refugees coming forward for treatment.

    Seventy-one per cent reported that their risk factor for HIV had been heterosexual sex. Thirteen per cent had acquired HIV through injecting drugs and 6% were gay or bisexual men. Two per cent had acquired HIV as babies.”

    (incidentally, “Gay” was a girl’s given name in Britain until at least 1981, according to birth records. I very much doubt it’s popular now.)

    • Replies: @CharleszMartel
    @YetAnotherAnon

    "Gay" was also a man's name.

    See here:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_Kindersley

    There's a funny anecdote in the link where Mr. Kindersley introduced himself as "Gay", merely being informal, and his audience was very confused.
    If course, back then "Gay" meant merely "happy", and had no homosexual connotation whatsoever. IIRC, that came along in the late 60's or so. The earlier term most commonly used, which is now considered offensive, was "Queer".

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @YetAnotherAnon


    Is there, do you think, any possible chance that the “Collapse Of Russia” video is a production of one of the 56 PR firms who were retained by Ukraine at the start of the conflict...
     
    They're pretty harsh on Ukraine as well, so I doubt it. The Nebula streaming service to which it's connected seems mostly self-funded. The shots on the RealLifeLore YouTube channel come from a Storyblocks subscription. That's why it may look expensive.
  86. @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    Like in "Kind Hearts and Coronets," where one privilege of being a duke is to be tried by the House of Lords and another is to be hanged with a silk noose.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @S Johnson, @Old Prude, @Kylie, @Jim Don Bob

    The military gives enlisted defendants the choice of a jury of officers, or of enlisted men. The JAG offcier who was briefing us on UCMJ laughed that the enlisted criminals always thought an enlisted jury would be more sympathetic. To quote Montgomery C. Burns “Fools!”

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Old Prude

    The jurors still have to be senior in rank to the defendant and have to be at least E-6s. (NCOs minus buck sergeants and Corporals.)

  87. @Liberty Mike
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    I do not think that the Z-Man has ever been a libertarian.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    Lew Rockwell definitely is, and he’s the one who linked to Z-Man’s essay.

    • Replies: @Curle
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Z-Man is a well known critic of Libertarianism.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

  88. @Unintended Consequence
    @Dieter Kief

    "Russians aren’t free, becaus they are under the spell of Satan though. Their sins are poisonous. That is the main difference."

    Give it time and you'll see just who is under Satan's influence. When a society rots from the inside, most people don't realize anything's wrong until the situation is intolerable for most people. This is why people don't stop the ensuing totalitarianism or its opposite, anarchy. They believe the old order still exists because that's what they expect to see.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

    When a society rots from the inside, most people don’t realize anything’s wrong until the situation is intolerable for most people. This is why people don’t stop the ensuing totalitarianism or its opposite, anarchy. They believe the old order still exists because that’s what they expect to see.

    Agree. There is a status quo bias rooted deeply in our bodies & souls. – One of the strongest reasons for – unintended consequences…OTH – wouldn’t life be a bit boring without them?

  89. @Ebony Obelisk
    You guys lost

    Get over it

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Mr. Anon, @SFG, @AnotherDad, @pyrrhus, @mark miller, @NeoLogick

    What? We haven’t even started anything yet.

  90. Lesson is that if you want to act badly, make sure to act badly in a way that conforms to negative stereotypes about your ethnicity. That way, nobody is allowed to notice it or criticize you for it.

    This is why any criticism of the nation-destroying program financed by George Soros is denounced as anti-Semitic.

  91. @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    Like in "Kind Hearts and Coronets," where one privilege of being a duke is to be tried by the House of Lords and another is to be hanged with a silk noose.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @S Johnson, @Old Prude, @Kylie, @Jim Don Bob

    Another privilege of being a duke is to be addressed as “Your Grace”, however graceless your conduct may be.

  92. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Reg Cæsar

    Is there, do you think, any possible chance that the "Collapse Of Russia" video is a production of one of the 56 PR firms who were retained by Ukraine at the start of the conflict, or perhaps the many more which will have come on board since? Not that I think this war is anything but bad for both Russians and Ukrainians, but it's a defensive war as far as Russia's concerned.

    Incidentally Ursula van der Leyen, EU Gauleiter, has said in a speech that Ukraine have suffered 20,000 civilian deaths (I don't know if she includes the 15,000-odd in the Donbass/Luhansk 2014-2020) and 100,000 military deaths. Talk about letting the cat out of the bag.

    Which country has most Ukrainian refugees btw? Russia!

    Interesting paper presented at an HIV conference in Glasgow last month, on the HIV status of Ukrainian refugees.

    https://www.aidsmap.com/news/oct-2022/so-far-poland-has-seen-fewer-ukrainian-refugees-hiv-expected

    Polish HIV people are gay types getting it by the back door route.

    Ukrainian (and presumably Russian, who are still culturally close) HIV people are overwhelmingly heterosexuals who've got it from intravenous drug users.


    "in Poland’s HIV epidemic, 80% of infections are due to sex between men. Ukraine’s HIV epidemic, on the other hand, having started in people who inject drugs, is now dominated by heterosexually acquired infections. Seventy per cent of refugees arriving in Poland and registering for HIV treatment had acquired HIV heterosexually and, since three-quarters of Ukrainian war refugees are women, heterosexual women form half of the HIV-positive refugees coming forward for treatment.

    Seventy-one per cent reported that their risk factor for HIV had been heterosexual sex. Thirteen per cent had acquired HIV through injecting drugs and 6% were gay or bisexual men. Two per cent had acquired HIV as babies."
     

    (incidentally, "Gay" was a girl's given name in Britain until at least 1981, according to birth records. I very much doubt it's popular now.)

    Replies: @CharleszMartel, @Reg Cæsar

    “Gay” was also a man’s name.

    See here:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_Kindersley

    There’s a funny anecdote in the link where Mr. Kindersley introduced himself as “Gay”, merely being informal, and his audience was very confused.
    If course, back then “Gay” meant merely “happy”, and had no homosexual connotation whatsoever. IIRC, that came along in the late 60’s or so. The earlier term most commonly used, which is now considered offensive, was “Queer”.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @CharleszMartel

    Imagine the plight of a guy named Gay Fuchs.

  93. OT but highly relevant – lady-in-waiting to Queen Consort Camilla resigns after the hideous offence of asking a black woman “where she came from”. Features hair-touching!

    Notice also that King Charles was quite happy to throw his godmother under the bus. That’s the kind of kingly courage that made Britain great!

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/nov/30/buckingham-palace-aide-resigns-black-guest-traumatised-by-repeated-questioning

    The late queen’s lady-in-waiting has resigned and apologised after a black guest at a reception hosted by the queen consort was left feeling traumatised and violated after she questioned her repeatedly about where she “really came from”.

    Ngozi Fulani, the founder of the charity Sistah Space, claimed Susan Hussey moved her hair to reveal her name badge and persistently questioned her over where her “people” came from, despite having been told she was a British national.

    A spokesperson for the Prince of Wales, who is Lady Hussey’s godson, said the comments were unacceptable and that “racism has no place in our society”.

    The encounter on Tuesday at a violence against women and girls reception was witnessed by two other women: Mandu Reid, the leader of the Women’s Equality party, who is of mixed heritage, and another black female charity representative.

    Hussey, 83, the widow of the former BBC chair Sir Marmaduke Hussey, had recently been appointed one of the ladies of the household. She is a close friend of the king. Her daughter, Katherine Brooke, has just been appointed as one of Camilla’s new queen’s companions.

    Asking people where they’re from is SOP in that kind of situation, where say you’re talking at a Royal Garden Party to a lady who’s run the Women’s Institute in Fife for 45 years and been awarded the British Empire Medal. It’s called small talk. Gives them a chance to talk about themselves, and the more exotic the guest the more they’ll have to say.

    But that was pre-diversity.

    I must say though, asking someone called Fulani where they’re really from shows hubby wasn’t an old Africa hand.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fula_people

    Or maybe she knew that and wondered where exactly she was from?

    “Inhabiting many countries, they live mainly in West Africa and northern parts of Central Africa, South Sudan, Darfur, and regions near the Red Sea coast in Sudan. ”

    She could have made small-talk about her caste! After all, ladies-in-waiting usually come from the top caste themselves.

    Many Fulani slaves came from places such as Guinea, Senegal, Guinea-Bissau, Sierra Leone, Nigeria and Cameroon. .. Many of the captors and perpetrators of raids providing sources for the European slave merchants were also Fulani.

    Fula society features the caste divisions typical of the West African region. The fairly rigid caste system of the Fula people has medieval roots, was well established by the 15th-century, and it has survived into modern age. The four major castes, states Martin Kich, in their order of status are “nobility, traders, tradesmen (such as blacksmith) and descendants of slaves”. According to the African Commission on Human and Peoples’ Rights, the Fulani people have held on to “a strict caste system”.

    The Fulani rulers and merchants were, like many other ruling ethnic groups of Africa, also involved in the trans-Atlantic slave trade, sourcing the enslaved people through raids and from captives they took by waging war

    • Replies: @Philip Neal
    @YetAnotherAnon

    To somebody of Lady Duke's age and class, "people" means extended family, as in "Mummy's people were very surprised she married him" or "For God's sake look after our people." She should have said "Fulani... Fulani... Oh, are you one of the Dorsetshire Fulanis?"

  94. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Jonathan Mason

    A group of qualified jurors listen to a completely subjective, non-verifiable account and, mindful of their insurance premiums and cost-inflation, award a modest sum to cover some basic medical expenses. Under traditional Anglo-Saxon jurisprudence, that is the end of the matter; we the people are presumed to be capable of self-governance. So we decide things by juries instead of by bureaucratic overlords.

    That's how things work in a high-trust nation-state. But Diversity means we can no longer have nice things.

    Replies: @Known Fact

    I was on a six boring white guy/six sassy black woman jury and we all got along and agreed the dot-Indian plaintiff had suffered terrible government workplace discrimination (such as being called a dipstick).

    But the damages portion of our deliberations became chaotic as the guys tried to compute some realistic award while the ladies were haphazardly throwing around numbers in the jillions and gazillions — of taxpayer money, mind you.

    • Thanks: The Anti-Gnostic
  95. @The Alarmist
    @Steve Sailer

    I bet Charles I would have preferred that deal.

    Anyway, Washington state is well on its way to idiocracy.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Philip Neal

    I bet Charles I would have preferred that deal.

    Charles I was beheaded, which is a better way to go than being hanged. According to his Wikipedia entry, “Charles put his head on the block after saying a prayer and signaled the executioner when he was ready by stretching out his hands; he was then beheaded in one clean stroke.”

    Hanging was considered an ignominious way to go. It often consisted of several minutes of strangulation while you thrashed about and soiled yourself. One of the conspiracists in the Lincoln assassination, Lewis Powell, comported himself with such dignity and stoicism after his arrest that his executioner promised him a quick death. At the time, the science of hanging was understood–the weight of the condemned was factored into the length of drop necessary to break his neck–but it didn’t always work as intended. Powell was strong and he thrashed around wildly for nearly five minutes.

    BTW, Wikipedia has an interesting detail about Charles I’s execution. The morning of his execution was cold and he asked for two shirts: “The season is so sharp as probably may make me shake, which some observers may imagine proceeds from fear. I would have no such imputation.”

    • Replies: @Ancient Briton
    @Harry Baldwin

    The Stewarts were noble in misfortune, which they went to great lengths to bring upon themselves.

  96. @AceDeuce
    @The Anti-Gnostic


    When we’re gone, there won’t be anybody left to buy insurance or pay the taxes.
     
    Jesus Christ on a Harley Davidson. Do I ever hate this spineless, cucky wuck way of thinking.

    Yes, Aristotle, your statement checks out, but two things:

    1. We'll be, as you said, gone-dead; obliterated--and all that our ancestors built will be destroyed. Isn't that cutting off our noses to spite our faces, so to speak?

    2. Nigtards don't give a flying fark about five minutes from now, much less some nebulous future when the gravy train derails. After YT checks out, they'll simply live like Haitians do until the looted detritus runs out and then they'll die, uncomprehending.

    But, boy--we showed them, all right.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    ✝️ on a 🏍. Do I ever hate this spineless, cucky wuck way of thinking.

    A spoofer spoofs a spoofer, and it goes entirely over your head?

    Advice: don’t make fun of anyone else here. EO 1, AG 1, AD O– you don’t make the final 16.

    • Troll: AceDeuce
  97. @BB753
    @AnotherDad

    What "ails" the West and civilization came straight out of 1914. Reducing the Great War to a "exciting territorial drama" is superficial at best , ignorant at worst. The world we live in today is largely the result of WWI and to a lesser extent WWII.
    Why do you think that neocons and western eñites would rather start WWIII than see a Russian victory? Because it would ruin their plans for the Great Reset. If they fail, they lose everything, because the Federal Reserve monetary model is broken beyond repair.
    In any case, the West would lose WWIII because Russian long-range missiles are faster and their air-defence vastly superior.
    Our treacherous elites would rather commit extended suicide than face poverty and humiliation or possibly the gallows.

    Replies: @Bill in Glendale

    “vastly superior”

    Just like their ground game?

    • Replies: @BB753
    @Bill in Glendale

    Wait and see.

  98. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @anon

    Shhhh. Steve doesn't notice such things nor does he use his vaunted pattern recognition for one group.

    Steve's "War on Noticing" that special, chosen if you will, group continues.

    You see, if Steve acknowledged that an ethic group working together could achieve tremendous power and influence over our society, well, his whole Citizenism thesis falls apart.

    Citizenism requires every group to put loyalty to their fellow citizens above loyalty to their group. If any group takes advantage of that by sticking together, all the other groups will do the same. Basic game theory.

    The usual suspects prove daily that Citizenism is a failed idea. Steve can either acknowledge that and come up with something new or ignore the power and influence of the usual suspects. He chooses the latter.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Shetland

    Citizenism requires every group to put loyalty to their fellow citizens above loyalty to their group.

    So did plantation slavery. How did that work out? Johnny Reb paid dearly for his loyalty to race traitors. So much for white solidarity. The Lost Causers are the ultimate “citizenists”. It was all about tariffs!

    On the other hand, race-blind “constitutional carry”, about as citizenist a policy imaginable, is the law in almost half the states, and “shall-issue” permits, which you oppose– “may issue” is more your thing– in all but eight. Evidently Steve’s idea has its successes.

    On the other other hand, you just kissed up to a washed-up Congoloid rapper with a white whore baby mama (assuming Armenians are white), who has trouble remembering his own name, whom Steve chooses to ignore.

    Steve can either acknowledge that and come up with something new…

    The only thing “new” you have ever come up with here is whining for more “identity politics”. Because David Duke has seen so much more success than has Donald Trump or Ron DeSantis. Or Steve Sailer.

    • Agree: IHTG
    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Reg Cæsar

    I notice that you never addressed my primary point. How very typical.

  99. @AnotherDad
    @HammerJack


    Any references to the Numinous Ones which imply that they are anything other than Sacred Deities shall constitute prima facie evidence of racism, punishable by mega millions in gibs!
     
    At least this dude actually ran into this obnoxious woman's car. That's happened to me twice and it's a legit pain in the ass. (Though I didn't go running to Dewey Cheatem and Howe.)

    The Floyd family collected $27 million! Seriously. That's $63 for every man, woman and child in Minneapolis going to these lowlifes because their POS criminal drug dealing relative swallowed his own drugs, resisted arrested and managed to OD in police custody before the ambulance showed up.

    Replies: @Inverness

    I just hope it was only Minneapolis residents that paid.

  100. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Reg Cæsar

    Is there, do you think, any possible chance that the "Collapse Of Russia" video is a production of one of the 56 PR firms who were retained by Ukraine at the start of the conflict, or perhaps the many more which will have come on board since? Not that I think this war is anything but bad for both Russians and Ukrainians, but it's a defensive war as far as Russia's concerned.

    Incidentally Ursula van der Leyen, EU Gauleiter, has said in a speech that Ukraine have suffered 20,000 civilian deaths (I don't know if she includes the 15,000-odd in the Donbass/Luhansk 2014-2020) and 100,000 military deaths. Talk about letting the cat out of the bag.

    Which country has most Ukrainian refugees btw? Russia!

    Interesting paper presented at an HIV conference in Glasgow last month, on the HIV status of Ukrainian refugees.

    https://www.aidsmap.com/news/oct-2022/so-far-poland-has-seen-fewer-ukrainian-refugees-hiv-expected

    Polish HIV people are gay types getting it by the back door route.

    Ukrainian (and presumably Russian, who are still culturally close) HIV people are overwhelmingly heterosexuals who've got it from intravenous drug users.


    "in Poland’s HIV epidemic, 80% of infections are due to sex between men. Ukraine’s HIV epidemic, on the other hand, having started in people who inject drugs, is now dominated by heterosexually acquired infections. Seventy per cent of refugees arriving in Poland and registering for HIV treatment had acquired HIV heterosexually and, since three-quarters of Ukrainian war refugees are women, heterosexual women form half of the HIV-positive refugees coming forward for treatment.

    Seventy-one per cent reported that their risk factor for HIV had been heterosexual sex. Thirteen per cent had acquired HIV through injecting drugs and 6% were gay or bisexual men. Two per cent had acquired HIV as babies."
     

    (incidentally, "Gay" was a girl's given name in Britain until at least 1981, according to birth records. I very much doubt it's popular now.)

    Replies: @CharleszMartel, @Reg Cæsar

    Is there, do you think, any possible chance that the “Collapse Of Russia” video is a production of one of the 56 PR firms who were retained by Ukraine at the start of the conflict…

    They’re pretty harsh on Ukraine as well, so I doubt it. The Nebula streaming service to which it’s connected seems mostly self-funded. The shots on the RealLifeLore YouTube channel come from a Storyblocks subscription. That’s why it may look expensive.

  101. @Reg Cæsar
    @AnotherDad


    I realize Putin’s War is the official Really Big Story of the year. And I don’t dispute it–guns, bombs, tanks, missiles–is the dramatic oddity. But it is pretty much irrelevant to what ails us.
     
    Every major country is suffering its own serious demographic issues, and should stick to its own last. Both Ukraine and Russia still reel from the effects of ⅔ of the boys born 99 years ago, in 1923, not reaching their 24th birthday.


    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/67/Ukraine_population_pyramid.gif/260px-Ukraine_population_pyramid.gif

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e8/Russian_population_%28demographic%29_pyramid_%28structure%29_on_January%2C_1st%2C_2022.png/350px-Russian_population_%28demographic%29_pyramid_%28structure%29_on_January%2C_1st%2C_2022.png

    Indeed, Putin may be annexing population rather than territory, to make up for millions who have left. (Russian law also prohibits using conscripts outside the country, so these annexes-- recognized by no country other than the DPRK-- are a fig leaf of sorts.)

    Both Russia and Ukraine have seen their largest exoduses since Lenin's day. Barred from NATO lands, the Russians fled to friendlier ex-Soviet lands to the south, which have Russian minorities and don't require visas of them.

    Neither side has any business waging war. They need to stay home and breed. Note, though, both countries' recent male surplus. Have all their women left?

    If you have 22 minutes to spare, this video competes with any horror story on Netflix:



    https://youtu.be/f1WFrsz4g14

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @AnotherDad

    Every major country is suffering its own serious demographic issues, and should stick to its own last. Both Ukraine and Russia still reel from the effects of ⅔ of the boys born 99 years ago, in 1923, not reaching their 24th birthday

    Still “feeling”, but not “reeling”, from those effects. Sure, peak War put a very hard crimp on Russian baby production. But these sorts of demographic crises smooth out over time. Russia recovered very smartly in the 50s. There is a–1967 bottom–War echo, but it is mild, and Russia recovered to an even higher peak (looks to be 1987).

    It’s true that the post-Soviet fertility collapse happened to line up with–and be intensified by–the lower 1960s born War echo. But it is that fertility collapse itself that’s the issue. The 1960s bottom–even today with a slice of those people deceased–is still bigger than the 90s bottom (1.7m to 1.4m) and the 90s bottom is much, much wider. And the 80s top is much bigger than the early 10s top (2.6 to <2.0m)–again even with the 80s cohorts deaths and out-migration.

    That's the Russian problem–failure to reproduce. And it is no doubt even worse among ethnic Russians than the various (mostly muzzie) minorities.

    This ought to be job #1 for a Russian leader–along with stopping illegal immigration and cutting lose Muslim provinces like Chechnya. Suffice it to say, that is not the case. Putin is more obsessed with being "big", than being "Russian". He just isn't actively hostile to the core population like “American” elites.

    • Replies: @mc23
    @AnotherDad

    Russia has huge problem with Affordable Family Formation. If Putin waged war on that he might have died a hero now he'll die as goat.

    Replies: @Whitey Whiteman III

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @AnotherDad

    My understanding is that Russia HAS done its best to promote fertility. But it's a tricky job, as the Japanese have discovered.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13143523


    Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin has unveiled plans to reverse Russia's declining population.

    The government will spend 1.5tn roubles ($53bn; £33bn) on raising the birth rate and extending life expectancy.

    He announced the plan in a key speech to the Duma on the economy ahead of presidential elections in March 2012.
     

    https://web.archive.org/web/20150928220404/http://www.mercatornet.com/demography/view/8943

    TUESDAY, 5 APRIL 2011
    Moscow to host first demographic summit in Moscow in June


    If there is any country in the world which ought to know the stupidity of yabbering about over-population, it is Russia. With a birth rate of about 1.2 and a decline of 6 million people over the past 20 years (12 million without immigration), Russia is in trouble. As Prime Minister Vladimir Putin puts it,

    "Without exaggeration, the central problem of contemporary Russia is demography, strengthening the family, [and] increasing the birth rate."

    That’s why it is an inspired move to hold the first international demographic summit in Moscow on June 29 and 30. According to the organisers, the World Congress of Families, it is the first time an international pro-life and pro-family event of this scale will take place in Russia. More than 1,000 participants are expected, including 300 foreigners, including top demography and family researchers, scientists and activists, and politicians.

    In Russia, demographic decline is particularly evident, but throughout Europe, East and West, countries are not reproducing themselves. The conference will cover a number of fascinating topics, including culturally induced desire for smaller families, voluntary childlessness, low birthrates and economic decline, problems of an aging society and alcoholism's negative effects on demography.
     

    He may however have been distracted by the "central problem" of NATO nuclear warheads on his frontiers, which manifested itself in 2014. As our host Mr Unz has pointed out, Ukraine's declared intention to develop their own nuclear weapons may have been the last straw.
  102. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Liberty Mike

    Lew Rockwell definitely is, and he's the one who linked to Z-Man's essay.

    Replies: @Curle

    Z-Man is a well known critic of Libertarianism.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Curle

    QED, it's kind of a big, interesting deal when the Lew Rockwell/Hans-Herman Hoppe wing start linking to Z-Man's essay arguing that libertarianism is done.

    Replies: @Curle

  103. @SunBakedSuburb
    @Zelo

    " ... I can't wait to get my arms and legs blown off defending this system."

    Pre the Great Racial Awakening I used to recommend to young white men bored with jobs, with college, to enlist for four years in the service of their choice. Because that's what I did when the college classroom became a prison. It was challenging but also a worthwhile adventure. Although none of the skills required for my MOS did not translate to civilian life. At all. But now: Young white man do not sacrifice your youth and possibly your life for a system that wants you on your knees. In addition, seek another home and life in a country that doesn't want to disappear you.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Veteran Aryan

    In addition, seek another home and life in a country that doesn’t want to disappear you.

    Nah. Stay in the game here, acquire life skills, get training in death skills, and live, laugh, love. The United States is still the best place to be to get stuff done, or just bee yourself. We’re going to need more than a few good men and women to turn it around. It can be done.

  104. @AndrewR
    @Chrisnonymous

    Assuming direct war with Russia can be avoided, I'm coming around to support the US role in this war. Dead khokhols and dead vatniks... weakened Russia... All for a tiny fraction of our GDP... what's not to love?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Maybe Steve Sailer and Greg Cochran came around to this view from the beginning? That giving support to Ukraine would result in a whole lot of dead bodies in the region. And that was good for the globalist empire?

    Russia is likely to be in power, long-term

  105. Slightly OT: Blacks in my TL complaining about huge jumps in their auto insurance.

  106. @Curle
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Z-Man is a well known critic of Libertarianism.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    QED, it’s kind of a big, interesting deal when the Lew Rockwell/Hans-Herman Hoppe wing start linking to Z-Man’s essay arguing that libertarianism is done.

    • Replies: @Curle
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    A reasonable assumption, but I don’t know enough about Rockwell’s editorial policy to credibly agree or disagree. Reason claims to be Libertarian but is full of Ukraine war loving Lefties, at least in the comments section on the legal blog.

  107. Don’t say “confrontational”, or “combative”. Say “servile”, or “shufflin’”.

  108. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Curle

    QED, it's kind of a big, interesting deal when the Lew Rockwell/Hans-Herman Hoppe wing start linking to Z-Man's essay arguing that libertarianism is done.

    Replies: @Curle

    A reasonable assumption, but I don’t know enough about Rockwell’s editorial policy to credibly agree or disagree. Reason claims to be Libertarian but is full of Ukraine war loving Lefties, at least in the comments section on the legal blog.

  109. That’s gonna be overturned by the Feds.

  110. @SunBakedSuburb
    @Zelo

    " ... I can't wait to get my arms and legs blown off defending this system."

    Pre the Great Racial Awakening I used to recommend to young white men bored with jobs, with college, to enlist for four years in the service of their choice. Because that's what I did when the college classroom became a prison. It was challenging but also a worthwhile adventure. Although none of the skills required for my MOS did not translate to civilian life. At all. But now: Young white man do not sacrifice your youth and possibly your life for a system that wants you on your knees. In addition, seek another home and life in a country that doesn't want to disappear you.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Veteran Aryan

    In addition, seek another home and life in a country that doesn’t want to disappear you.

    White diaspora.

  111. @Jonathan Mason
    @Anonymous


    Anyway… there’s more to this story that’s not been reported.
     
    That is for sure.

    To me the interesting thing is what the evidence was that the automobile accident increased her Tourette syndrome and how the jury evaluated that evidence.

    Tourette syndrome is a tic disorder. Nobody really knows the cause of Tourette syndrome and there is no medical test for it. It is believed to be an inherited condition that can be triggered by environmental factors. Often it starts in adolescence and fades out spontaneously.

    Was the woman's demeanor in court taken by the jury as evidence of new brain damage caused by the accident?

    $9,000 in damages would hardly pay for an MRI scan in the US.

    Much more to the story.

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @The Anti-Gnostic, @mc23

    Jim Eisenreich played 15 years for Major League Baseball with Tourette syndrome. When he played with the Phillies in the 1993 World Series there was speculation in the press over how the stress would affect him but he did well.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @mc23


    Jim Eisenreich played 15 years for Major League Baseball with Tourette syndrome.
     
    Good thing he wasn't a pitcher. He'd be constantly called for balks. Or, as an offensive lineman, drawing offside.
  112. @AnotherDad
    @Reg Cæsar


    Every major country is suffering its own serious demographic issues, and should stick to its own last. Both Ukraine and Russia still reel from the effects of ⅔ of the boys born 99 years ago, in 1923, not reaching their 24th birthday
     
    Still "feeling", but not "reeling", from those effects. Sure, peak War put a very hard crimp on Russian baby production. But these sorts of demographic crises smooth out over time. Russia recovered very smartly in the 50s. There is a--1967 bottom--War echo, but it is mild, and Russia recovered to an even higher peak (looks to be 1987).

    It's true that the post-Soviet fertility collapse happened to line up with--and be intensified by--the lower 1960s born War echo. But it is that fertility collapse itself that's the issue. The 1960s bottom--even today with a slice of those people deceased--is still bigger than the 90s bottom (1.7m to 1.4m) and the 90s bottom is much, much wider. And the 80s top is much bigger than the early 10s top (2.6 to <2.0m)--again even with the 80s cohorts deaths and out-migration.

    That's the Russian problem--failure to reproduce. And it is no doubt even worse among ethnic Russians than the various (mostly muzzie) minorities.

    This ought to be job #1 for a Russian leader--along with stopping illegal immigration and cutting lose Muslim provinces like Chechnya. Suffice it to say, that is not the case. Putin is more obsessed with being "big", than being "Russian". He just isn't actively hostile to the core population like "American" elites.

    Replies: @mc23, @YetAnotherAnon

    Russia has huge problem with Affordable Family Formation. If Putin waged war on that he might have died a hero now he’ll die as goat.

    • Replies: @Whitey Whiteman III
    @mc23

    Greatest of all time

  113. @Harry Baldwin
    @The Alarmist

    I bet Charles I would have preferred that deal.

    Charles I was beheaded, which is a better way to go than being hanged. According to his Wikipedia entry, "Charles put his head on the block after saying a prayer and signaled the executioner when he was ready by stretching out his hands; he was then beheaded in one clean stroke."

    Hanging was considered an ignominious way to go. It often consisted of several minutes of strangulation while you thrashed about and soiled yourself. One of the conspiracists in the Lincoln assassination, Lewis Powell, comported himself with such dignity and stoicism after his arrest that his executioner promised him a quick death. At the time, the science of hanging was understood--the weight of the condemned was factored into the length of drop necessary to break his neck--but it didn't always work as intended. Powell was strong and he thrashed around wildly for nearly five minutes.

    BTW, Wikipedia has an interesting detail about Charles I's execution. The morning of his execution was cold and he asked for two shirts: "The season is so sharp as probably may make me shake, which some observers may imagine proceeds from fear. I would have no such imputation."

    Replies: @Ancient Briton

    The Stewarts were noble in misfortune, which they went to great lengths to bring upon themselves.

  114. @Altai
    Another interesting new frontier in frontlashing, Google will now seek to 'pre-debunk' 'misinformation'. IE, Google will seek to present something crazy to masses of people and deliberately try to make them think the dissenters believed it or seek to outright lie about something true.

    https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1597661252456976384

    Prior to the Der Eloning of Twitter I noticed that my sidebar on Twitter would often do something like this. I would see 'debunkings' of crazy things that had never gone through the formality of trending or being seen by me.

    The whole idea it seemed to me was to create a false reality of the internet outside the Washington Post or on Twitter circles outside those of the mainstream and convince them that there was all this crazy 'misinformation' constantly going around and masses of 'deplorables' were believing it and look how we easily 'debunked' it!

    See also the whole 'Q-Anon' thing which sought to define this bunch of crazy stuff as the definition of dissent post 2016.

    In reality the people at Google defining 'misinformation' are going to be the kind of people who seek those positions and those people will tend to be neocons or those who don't realise that since 2016 they've been eagerly gobbling up neocon propaganda to the point that we are now in a showdown with Russia in Ukraine that will either end in humiliating defeat for the West or WW3. But that Ukraine was being used as a proxy to fight Russia with no regard for it was 'misinformation' and any argument about the reality of the neocon agenda to do this would have been frontlashed away.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @AnotherDad, @Veteran Aryan, @Jim Don Bob

    Only somewhat OT: here is Douglas MacGregor on what Russia has in store for Ukraine this winter.

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/washingtons-carthaginian-peace-collides-with-reality/

  115. @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    Like in "Kind Hearts and Coronets," where one privilege of being a duke is to be tried by the House of Lords and another is to be hanged with a silk noose.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @S Johnson, @Old Prude, @Kylie, @Jim Don Bob

    In one of the Peter Wimsey books, his older brother the Duke of Denver is being tried for murder in the House of Lords.

  116. @Anon
    UCal Berkeley publishes the sad experiences of an Affirmative Action black girl who couldn’t cut the mustard in college life:

    UC Berkeley began to take a toll on me, and all of sudden my existence in a fat, Black and disabled body was pushed to the forefront.
     
    After spraining her ankle, the young lady seeks help from a college education support specialist, who probably says some very revealing things behind closed doors:

    To that specialist, not only was I not “disabled enough,” but they also felt as if my inherent need for accommodations as a Black student would not translate well — somehow coming across as me taking advantage of the “system.”
     
    Someone gives her advice:

    I was told that I just needed to enjoy the “full ride” I supposedly received and be happy with the support I already had.
     
    It’s sad because she certainly took someone else’s place at the university, and sad because the pitiable thing would be happier elsewhere. Of course, I’m sure the next few decades of her career will consist of revenge on those who made her feel inferior.

    Source: https://dailycal.org/2022/11/27/failing-at-uc-berkeley

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    “It’s sad because she [typical angry black girl] certainly took someone else’s place at the [prestige] university,”

    Eh, the person who got displaced would have been just one more mooching Asian immigrant, so no big loss either way.

  117. @mc23
    @Jonathan Mason

    Jim Eisenreich played 15 years for Major League Baseball with Tourette syndrome. When he played with the Phillies in the 1993 World Series there was speculation in the press over how the stress would affect him but he did well.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Jim Eisenreich played 15 years for Major League Baseball with Tourette syndrome.

    Good thing he wasn’t a pitcher. He’d be constantly called for balks. Or, as an offensive lineman, drawing offside.

  118. @Patrick in SC

    Justice Raquel Montoya-Lewis was appointed to the Washington State Supreme Court by Governor Jay Inslee in December 2019 and took the oath of office on January 6, 2020. Justice Montoya-Lewis is an enrolled member of the Pueblo of Isleta and a descendant of the Pueblo of Laguna, two federally recognized tribes in New Mexico. She is the first enrolled member of any tribe to sit on a state supreme court in the U.S. and the second Native American to sit on a state supreme court. She is also of Jewish descent.
     

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Here come Da Judge. She looks about 4′ 10″ and 200 lbs. And since when did the Chosen and the feather Injuns start miscegenating?

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Jim Don Bob


    And since when did the Chosen and the feather Injuns start miscegenating?

     

    When did those casinos open? Pretty sweet deal if your Tribe (cough) happens to be small (or shrinking).
  119. @The Alarmist
    @Steve Sailer

    I bet Charles I would have preferred that deal.

    Anyway, Washington state is well on its way to idiocracy.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Philip Neal

    Charles I refused to recognise the court that tried him for the very reason that none of its members were from the House of Lords.

  120. @anarchyst
    The case of Amhad Arbery and the three (white) Satilla residents who are presently doing “hard time” for defending themselves is a prime example of prosecutorial misconduct and double jeopardy, which MUST be addressed and outlawed.
    Arbery was a criminal POS who was casing construction sites for tools and other materials that he could steal and sell. He was observed at the same site previously on video as well.
    As there were break-ins and increased criminal activity, the three men were merely defending their neighborhood.
    Arbery refused to be questioned which was within his right.
    Arbery felt “disrespected” by being questioned and “doubled back”, attacking the man with the shotgun. Arbery attacked the man by pulling on the barrel of the shotgun causing it to fire. Anyone familiar with firearms knows that pulling on a barrel of a shotgun can cause it to fire. Arbery has that one fatal “flaw” that is present in all black DNA, the misperceived “shame” of being “disrespected” (even if no “disrespect” occurred) and the need to immediately “do something about it” (instant gratification).
    Arbery could (and should) have run off in any other direction, would not have been pursued, and would still be alive today. He chose to confront the man with the shotgun. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
    The original prosecutor refused to indict. The powers-that-be had to “shop” for a prosecutor who would take the case. It took three tries before they found one who would indict.
    This is prosecutorial “double jeopardy” which must be addressed and outlawed nationwide. The way it stands now, what is stopping a prosecutor from one jurisdiction from indicting someone from another jurisdiction when a local prosecutor having legal jurisdiction refuses to indict? We are all in trouble if this is allowed to stand.
    Also, the court was stacked against the white men just because they are white.
    Arbery’s previous extensive criminal record was not allowed to be disclosed and put into evidence.
    So-called “civil-rights icons”, Antifa and BLM types were in the courtroom, threatening violence if the “correct verdict” was not rendered.
    The jury was also warned that there would be violence if they did not convict.
    The “judge” went along with the threats and refused to run a proper court proceeding. The judge would not allow Arbery’s past extensive criminal record into evidence.
    The mainstream media fanned the flames of racial hatred against whites, making Arbery out to be a mere “jogger”, (yeah, right). Who in their right mind jogs 20 miles from home in work boots? The “mainstream media” stated that Arbery “was studying to be an electrician” and was merely observing (actually casing) construction sites…yeah, right. Arbery was looking for copper wire or anything else of value to steal, that being his stock in trade as an “electrician”.
    I pray that any appeals that the Satilla three place will be successful.
    Their prosecutorial double jeopardy and kangaroo court “trial” were both sh!tshow railroad jobs from the outset.
    Arbery was a POS who got just what he deserved. Unfortunately, three innocent White men are paying for Arbery's behavior...

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Jonathan Mason

    Great comment. The key phrase is “The mainstream media fanned the flames of racial hatred.”

    The mainstream media is responsible for a great deal of death and destruction through its delight in fanning the flames. In a trial that has racial angle, the media can usually make sure that a white person will not get due process. Truly, as Trump said, the media is the enemy of the people.

    • Agree: Richard B
    • Thanks: anarchyst
  121. @YetAnotherAnon
    OT but highly relevant - lady-in-waiting to Queen Consort Camilla resigns after the hideous offence of asking a black woman "where she came from". Features hair-touching!

    Notice also that King Charles was quite happy to throw his godmother under the bus. That's the kind of kingly courage that made Britain great!

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/nov/30/buckingham-palace-aide-resigns-black-guest-traumatised-by-repeated-questioning


    The late queen’s lady-in-waiting has resigned and apologised after a black guest at a reception hosted by the queen consort was left feeling traumatised and violated after she questioned her repeatedly about where she “really came from”.

    Ngozi Fulani, the founder of the charity Sistah Space, claimed Susan Hussey moved her hair to reveal her name badge and persistently questioned her over where her “people” came from, despite having been told she was a British national.

    A spokesperson for the Prince of Wales, who is Lady Hussey’s godson, said the comments were unacceptable and that “racism has no place in our society”.

    The encounter on Tuesday at a violence against women and girls reception was witnessed by two other women: Mandu Reid, the leader of the Women’s Equality party, who is of mixed heritage, and another black female charity representative.

    Hussey, 83, the widow of the former BBC chair Sir Marmaduke Hussey, had recently been appointed one of the ladies of the household. She is a close friend of the king. Her daughter, Katherine Brooke, has just been appointed as one of Camilla’s new queen’s companions.
     

    Asking people where they're from is SOP in that kind of situation, where say you're talking at a Royal Garden Party to a lady who's run the Women's Institute in Fife for 45 years and been awarded the British Empire Medal. It's called small talk. Gives them a chance to talk about themselves, and the more exotic the guest the more they'll have to say.

    But that was pre-diversity.

    I must say though, asking someone called Fulani where they're really from shows hubby wasn't an old Africa hand.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fula_people

    Or maybe she knew that and wondered where exactly she was from?


    "Inhabiting many countries, they live mainly in West Africa and northern parts of Central Africa, South Sudan, Darfur, and regions near the Red Sea coast in Sudan. "

     

    She could have made small-talk about her caste! After all, ladies-in-waiting usually come from the top caste themselves.

    Many Fulani slaves came from places such as Guinea, Senegal, Guinea-Bissau, Sierra Leone, Nigeria and Cameroon. .. Many of the captors and perpetrators of raids providing sources for the European slave merchants were also Fulani.

    Fula society features the caste divisions typical of the West African region. The fairly rigid caste system of the Fula people has medieval roots, was well established by the 15th-century, and it has survived into modern age. The four major castes, states Martin Kich, in their order of status are "nobility, traders, tradesmen (such as blacksmith) and descendants of slaves". According to the African Commission on Human and Peoples' Rights, the Fulani people have held on to "a strict caste system".

    The Fulani rulers and merchants were, like many other ruling ethnic groups of Africa, also involved in the trans-Atlantic slave trade, sourcing the enslaved people through raids and from captives they took by waging war
     

    Replies: @Philip Neal

    To somebody of Lady Duke’s age and class, “people” means extended family, as in “Mummy’s people were very surprised she married him” or “For God’s sake look after our people.” She should have said “Fulani… Fulani… Oh, are you one of the Dorsetshire Fulanis?”

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  122. Cited as evidence of racial bias were statements by the defendant’s lawyer that seemed to indicate racial stereotyping, including describing the defendant as “confrontational” and “combative,”

    I guess this means that at Bankman’s crypto- fraud, trual, attorneys cannot refer to him and greedy, materialistic, or good with words.

  123. @mc23
    @AnotherDad

    Russia has huge problem with Affordable Family Formation. If Putin waged war on that he might have died a hero now he'll die as goat.

    Replies: @Whitey Whiteman III

    Greatest of all time

  124. @AnotherDad
    @Altai


    ... eagerly gobbling up neocon propaganda to the point that we are now in a showdown with Russia in Ukraine that will either end in humiliating defeat for the West or WW3. But that Ukraine ...
     
    Ukraine on the brain. Well, we made it to comment #27 this time.

    I realize Putin's War is the official Really Big Story of the year. And I don't dispute it--guns, bombs, tanks, missiles--is the dramatic oddity. But it is pretty much irrelevant to what ails us.

    Putin could have won his bet and had Ukraine fold up in week one, gobbled it up, annexed Belarus the next month and been Tsar of the Great Rus ... and all America's problems, the West's problems with the hostile elites pushing immivasion, minoritarianism, turning out our young women as barren sluts, would still be there. And for that matter all of Russia's problems of immivasion, low fertility, muslimification would still be there as well.

    Or Ukraine could achieve glorious victory, pushing the Russians all the way out ... and all the West's problems, and all of Russia's problems would be just the same.

    Or Putin could never have ginned up this folly ... and all the West's problems and all of Russia's problems would be just the same.


    Heck, the same would be true if Xi decides he needs to invade Taiwan to be great emperor (or something). Huge drama, and no doubt endless breathless "analysis" including here on iSteve ... but all the critical problems of the West, and all the critical problems of China will remain the same.

    All this 1914 style territorial drama may be exciting--bang, bang, boom, boom. And it is certainly deeply unpleasant for those unfortunates subjected to participating in it. But it is not what ails the West nor civilization in general.

    Replies: @BB753, @Mr. Anon, @Almost Missouri, @Reg Cæsar, @That Would Be Telling

    Heck, the same would be true if Xi decides he needs to invade Taiwan to be great emperor (or something). Huge drama, and no doubt endless breathless “analysis” including here on iSteve … but all the critical problems of the West, and all the critical problems of China will remain the same.

    True in shape, albeit with the PRC losing some number of only children, but we’ll all have less money, jobs etc. to deal with them. Or consider that our wealth is a hindrance to solving many of these problems, and even is a cause at least in part of many. “Luxury beliefs” is a useful concept.

    The difference between the Ukraine and Taiwan is that the latter is part of a great many supply chains, and is today the biggest player in logic chips, TSMC of course defining the state of the art, but there are plenty of smaller firms. So the world in general including the PRC will not be able to continue making a lot of things for some time.

    By comparison I’m not sure the Ukraine sans the Donbass was economically really important except as a country through which a lot of Russian oil and gas transited, but not reliably, a very big part of the motivation for the Nord Stream pipelines.

  125. @Hypnotoad666
    @Hypnotoad666

    My Bad. "Big Country News" was talking about a different civil opinion issued about two weeks after the criminal case with the Eritrean driver. (It would have been nice if they had given the case name or a link). https://www.courts.wa.gov/opinions/pdf/976724.pdf

    Anyway, in the civil case a black plaintiff claimed she got whiplash that supposedly exacerbated her pre-existing Tourette's syndrome. The defense presented a surveillance video of her working with no problems. The plaintiff had four of her friends say she used to be "the life of the party" but wasn't anymore. The jury apparently though she was faking and gave her just $9,200.

    The Washington Supreme Court however explained -- citing lots of woke social justice law review articles -- that under Washington law, it must be assumed that everyone thinks black women are "angry," "untrustworthy, lazy, deceptive, and greedy." And thus any implication that a particular black woman is lying to get money from your client is an inherently racist ground for reversal.


    "the court must grant an evidentiary hearing upon a prima facie showing of evidence that, if “taken as true, permits an inference that an objective observer who is aware of the influence of implicit bias could view race as a factor in the jury’s verdict.” Id. at 666. This standard speaks to possibility, not certainty, and to impact, rather than intent. . . . . .

    At the hearing, the trial court is to presume that racial bias affected the verdict, and the party benefiting from the alleged racial bias has the burden to prove it did not. . . If they cannot prove that racial bias had no effect on the verdict, then the verdict is incompatible with substantial justice, and the court should order a new trial under CR 59(a)(9).

    If they cannot prove that racial bias had no effect on the verdict, then the verdict is incompatible
    with substantial justice, and the court should order a new trial under CR 59(a)(9).
     


    For example, defense counsel repeatedly characterized Henderson as “combative” and “confrontational.” These terms evoke the harmful stereotype of an “angry Black woman.” See Trina Jones & Kimberly Jade Norwood, Aggressive Encounters & White Fragility: Deconstructing the Trope of the Angry Black Woman, 102 IOWA L. REV. 2017, 2049 (2017). This harmful
    negative stereotype affects the way others perceive and interact with Black women,
    and it can have significant negative social and interpersonal consequences for Black women, including influencing their experience and reasonable expression of anger.
     

    During closing arguments, Thompson’s counsel alluded to racist stereotypes about Black women as untrustworthy and motivated by the desire to acquire an unearned financial windfall. Defense counsel argued that Henderson’s injuries were minimal and intimated that the sole reason she had proceeded to trial was that she saw the collision as an opportunity for financial gain. . . . Defense counsel’s argument that Henderson was exaggerating or fabricating her injuries appealed to these negative and false stereotypes about Black women being untrustworthy, lazy, deceptive, and greedy
     
    Oh yeah, you also can't say the testimony by plaintiff's friends and family are less than credible because "Intimating that the Black witnesses had joined together to lie for the Black plaintiff could invite jurors to suspect them as a group and to make decisions based on biases about race and truthfulness. "

    The bottom line is that there is now judicial affirmative action in Washington State. If an "untrustworthy, lazy, deceptive, and greedy" black lady wants to take your money you can't deny she's telling the truth, or else you are trafficking in tropes. Of course you can call a white guy a lying bastard all day long, that goes without saying.

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

    Oh, it’s those guys again.

    “War on Competent, White, Male King County, WA Prosecutor James Konat Continues Apace: NAACP Demands His Dismissal, and He is Removed from Two Murder Cases”

    https://nicholasstixuncensored.blogspot.com/2011/07/war-on-competent-white-male-king-county.html

  126. @kaganovitch
    @Arclight

    Sometimes it just is staggering how far our society’s institutions are willing to go to distort rules and customs for the benefit of a group that collectively provides little benefit or grace in return.


    Benefiting Blacks was never the point. These are intra-White virtue signaling status contests. Blacks are just the lego pieces used in the game.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @That Would Be Telling

    for the benefit of a group that collectively provides little benefit or grace in return.

    The benefit of blacks voting for Democrats and being foot soldiers in their pervasive vote cheating is incalculable. Some might even realize this puts them in jeopardy if pretending to hold elections stops being a thing, there the points this subthread is making about culture are relevant.

  127. @Bill in Glendale
    @BB753

    "vastly superior"

    Just like their ground game?

    Replies: @BB753

    Wait and see.

  128. @CharleszMartel
    @YetAnotherAnon

    "Gay" was also a man's name.

    See here:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_Kindersley

    There's a funny anecdote in the link where Mr. Kindersley introduced himself as "Gay", merely being informal, and his audience was very confused.
    If course, back then "Gay" meant merely "happy", and had no homosexual connotation whatsoever. IIRC, that came along in the late 60's or so. The earlier term most commonly used, which is now considered offensive, was "Queer".

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    Imagine the plight of a guy named Gay Fuchs.

  129. @AnotherDad
    @Reg Cæsar


    Every major country is suffering its own serious demographic issues, and should stick to its own last. Both Ukraine and Russia still reel from the effects of ⅔ of the boys born 99 years ago, in 1923, not reaching their 24th birthday
     
    Still "feeling", but not "reeling", from those effects. Sure, peak War put a very hard crimp on Russian baby production. But these sorts of demographic crises smooth out over time. Russia recovered very smartly in the 50s. There is a--1967 bottom--War echo, but it is mild, and Russia recovered to an even higher peak (looks to be 1987).

    It's true that the post-Soviet fertility collapse happened to line up with--and be intensified by--the lower 1960s born War echo. But it is that fertility collapse itself that's the issue. The 1960s bottom--even today with a slice of those people deceased--is still bigger than the 90s bottom (1.7m to 1.4m) and the 90s bottom is much, much wider. And the 80s top is much bigger than the early 10s top (2.6 to <2.0m)--again even with the 80s cohorts deaths and out-migration.

    That's the Russian problem--failure to reproduce. And it is no doubt even worse among ethnic Russians than the various (mostly muzzie) minorities.

    This ought to be job #1 for a Russian leader--along with stopping illegal immigration and cutting lose Muslim provinces like Chechnya. Suffice it to say, that is not the case. Putin is more obsessed with being "big", than being "Russian". He just isn't actively hostile to the core population like "American" elites.

    Replies: @mc23, @YetAnotherAnon

    My understanding is that Russia HAS done its best to promote fertility. But it’s a tricky job, as the Japanese have discovered.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13143523

    Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin has unveiled plans to reverse Russia’s declining population.

    The government will spend 1.5tn roubles ($53bn; £33bn) on raising the birth rate and extending life expectancy.

    He announced the plan in a key speech to the Duma on the economy ahead of presidential elections in March 2012.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20150928220404/http://www.mercatornet.com/demography/view/8943

    TUESDAY, 5 APRIL 2011
    Moscow to host first demographic summit in Moscow in June

    If there is any country in the world which ought to know the stupidity of yabbering about over-population, it is Russia. With a birth rate of about 1.2 and a decline of 6 million people over the past 20 years (12 million without immigration), Russia is in trouble. As Prime Minister Vladimir Putin puts it,

    “Without exaggeration, the central problem of contemporary Russia is demography, strengthening the family, [and] increasing the birth rate.”

    That’s why it is an inspired move to hold the first international demographic summit in Moscow on June 29 and 30. According to the organisers, the World Congress of Families, it is the first time an international pro-life and pro-family event of this scale will take place in Russia. More than 1,000 participants are expected, including 300 foreigners, including top demography and family researchers, scientists and activists, and politicians.

    In Russia, demographic decline is particularly evident, but throughout Europe, East and West, countries are not reproducing themselves. The conference will cover a number of fascinating topics, including culturally induced desire for smaller families, voluntary childlessness, low birthrates and economic decline, problems of an aging society and alcoholism’s negative effects on demography.

    He may however have been distracted by the “central problem” of NATO nuclear warheads on his frontiers, which manifested itself in 2014. As our host Mr Unz has pointed out, Ukraine’s declared intention to develop their own nuclear weapons may have been the last straw.

  130. Nice to see The Bureaucrat mentioned in the old person side of the internets. I actually subscribe to his substack and encourage others to do the same. We need to encourage our friends and subsidize them.

  131. @Reg Cæsar
    @Citizen of a Silly Country


    Citizenism requires every group to put loyalty to their fellow citizens above loyalty to their group.
     
    So did plantation slavery. How did that work out? Johnny Reb paid dearly for his loyalty to race traitors. So much for white solidarity. The Lost Causers are the ultimate "citizenists". It was all about tariffs!


    On the other hand, race-blind "constitutional carry", about as citizenist a policy imaginable, is the law in almost half the states, and "shall-issue" permits, which you oppose-- "may issue" is more your thing-- in all but eight. Evidently Steve's idea has its successes.


    On the other other hand, you just kissed up to a washed-up Congoloid rapper with a white whore baby mama (assuming Armenians are white), who has trouble remembering his own name, whom Steve chooses to ignore.


    Steve can either acknowledge that and come up with something new...
     
    The only thing "new" you have ever come up with here is whining for more "identity politics". Because David Duke has seen so much more success than has Donald Trump or Ron DeSantis. Or Steve Sailer.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country

    I notice that you never addressed my primary point. How very typical.

  132. @anarchyst
    The case of Amhad Arbery and the three (white) Satilla residents who are presently doing “hard time” for defending themselves is a prime example of prosecutorial misconduct and double jeopardy, which MUST be addressed and outlawed.
    Arbery was a criminal POS who was casing construction sites for tools and other materials that he could steal and sell. He was observed at the same site previously on video as well.
    As there were break-ins and increased criminal activity, the three men were merely defending their neighborhood.
    Arbery refused to be questioned which was within his right.
    Arbery felt “disrespected” by being questioned and “doubled back”, attacking the man with the shotgun. Arbery attacked the man by pulling on the barrel of the shotgun causing it to fire. Anyone familiar with firearms knows that pulling on a barrel of a shotgun can cause it to fire. Arbery has that one fatal “flaw” that is present in all black DNA, the misperceived “shame” of being “disrespected” (even if no “disrespect” occurred) and the need to immediately “do something about it” (instant gratification).
    Arbery could (and should) have run off in any other direction, would not have been pursued, and would still be alive today. He chose to confront the man with the shotgun. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
    The original prosecutor refused to indict. The powers-that-be had to “shop” for a prosecutor who would take the case. It took three tries before they found one who would indict.
    This is prosecutorial “double jeopardy” which must be addressed and outlawed nationwide. The way it stands now, what is stopping a prosecutor from one jurisdiction from indicting someone from another jurisdiction when a local prosecutor having legal jurisdiction refuses to indict? We are all in trouble if this is allowed to stand.
    Also, the court was stacked against the white men just because they are white.
    Arbery’s previous extensive criminal record was not allowed to be disclosed and put into evidence.
    So-called “civil-rights icons”, Antifa and BLM types were in the courtroom, threatening violence if the “correct verdict” was not rendered.
    The jury was also warned that there would be violence if they did not convict.
    The “judge” went along with the threats and refused to run a proper court proceeding. The judge would not allow Arbery’s past extensive criminal record into evidence.
    The mainstream media fanned the flames of racial hatred against whites, making Arbery out to be a mere “jogger”, (yeah, right). Who in their right mind jogs 20 miles from home in work boots? The “mainstream media” stated that Arbery “was studying to be an electrician” and was merely observing (actually casing) construction sites…yeah, right. Arbery was looking for copper wire or anything else of value to steal, that being his stock in trade as an “electrician”.
    I pray that any appeals that the Satilla three place will be successful.
    Their prosecutorial double jeopardy and kangaroo court “trial” were both sh!tshow railroad jobs from the outset.
    Arbery was a POS who got just what he deserved. Unfortunately, three innocent White men are paying for Arbery's behavior...

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Jonathan Mason

    The Satilla 3 were stupid fools who tried to be vigilantes when a mentally ill man was nosing around their subdivision. Probably he WAS looking for something to steal.

    If they had any sense at all and really wanted to be helpful, they could have taken photographs of the intruder and gone to law enforcement to seek some kind of court order to exclude Arbery from the community.

    As it was the situation got out of control. As my mother used to say regarding toy guns, never point a gun at anybody, because you might accidentally poke their eye out.

    One of the Satilla 3 made the mistake of pointing a loaded weapon at the victim, and guess what happened next?

    Some prosecutors were sympathetic to the 3. After all they were not career criminals, and although very stupid, they believed they were doing the right thing, and the guy they shot was no great loss to the community.

    However the law does not care too much about your intentions, it is the end result that matters.

    It was tough luck on the Satilla 3 and their families that a quiet lunchtime suddenly turned into a totally unexpected event that ruined their lives, but sometimes the purpose of high profile punishment is to discourage others from doing the same thing.

    • Disagree: anarchyst
    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Jonathan Mason

    And the one guy of the Satilla 3 who filmed the whole thing on his cell phone turned the video over to the police where it was shown over and over and over, and eventually landed all of them in jail for the rest of their lives.

    My 20 something daughter drove across the US and Canada to Vancouver in 2018 and I told her as gently as I could to stay clear of black people. Her car broke down in Yellowstone Park and several white people in Idaho helped her out. She said, "I can't believe how nice these people were." I resisted the temptation to say, "They can afford to be nice. There's nothing but other whites around."

    , @Nicholas Stix
    @Jonathan Mason


    "The Satilla 3 were stupid fools who tried to be vigilantes when a mentally ill man was nosing around their subdivision. Probably he WAS looking for something to steal."
     
    They were neither stupid nor vigilantes. They were good neighbors who did the right thing. They were not perps, and Arbery (plus aliases) was not a "victim."
    , @anarchyst
    @Jonathan Mason

    Once the initial prosecutor refused to indict, all other attempts at prosecution for the same offense should have been declared null and void.
    Prosecutor shopping is no different than double jeopardy by other means and must never be allowed.

    , @Anonymous
    @Jonathan Mason

    In cases like this you take care of business and keep your mouth shut. You don't freaking tell the police or anyone else. People seem to have difficulty understanding this.

    It's also the root cause of these endless Emmett Till controversies. First the two idiots yapping to Look magazine, now the idiot wife yapping to that Tyson guy.

    Replies: @Rouetheday

  133. @Dieter Kief
    @Chrisnonymous


    It’s very important that Ukrainians stay under the influence of the hegemony of this system, right?
     
    This is the free West. We make mistakes, sure. - The Lord in the heavens above wants it that way, to show we are not like him. Being free means to be able to sin. Russians aren't free, becaus they are under the spell of Satan though. Their sins are poisonous. That is the main difference.
    (etc. pp.)

    Replies: @Unintended Consequence, @tyrone

    Sometimes it’s better to read your comment a few times before hitting publish …….it cuts down on goofy shit.

  134. @Jim Don Bob
    @Patrick in SC

    Here come Da Judge. She looks about 4' 10" and 200 lbs. And since when did the Chosen and the feather Injuns start miscegenating?

    https://www.thedailyscrum.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/j3-1024x819.jpeg

    Replies: @Anon

    And since when did the Chosen and the feather Injuns start miscegenating?

    When did those casinos open? Pretty sweet deal if your Tribe (cough) happens to be small (or shrinking).

  135. @Jonathan Mason
    @anarchyst

    The Satilla 3 were stupid fools who tried to be vigilantes when a mentally ill man was nosing around their subdivision. Probably he WAS looking for something to steal.

    If they had any sense at all and really wanted to be helpful, they could have taken photographs of the intruder and gone to law enforcement to seek some kind of court order to exclude Arbery from the community.

    As it was the situation got out of control. As my mother used to say regarding toy guns, never point a gun at anybody, because you might accidentally poke their eye out.

    One of the Satilla 3 made the mistake of pointing a loaded weapon at the victim, and guess what happened next?

    Some prosecutors were sympathetic to the 3. After all they were not career criminals, and although very stupid, they believed they were doing the right thing, and the guy they shot was no great loss to the community.

    However the law does not care too much about your intentions, it is the end result that matters.

    It was tough luck on the Satilla 3 and their families that a quiet lunchtime suddenly turned into a totally unexpected event that ruined their lives, but sometimes the purpose of high profile punishment is to discourage others from doing the same thing.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Nicholas Stix, @anarchyst, @Anonymous

    And the one guy of the Satilla 3 who filmed the whole thing on his cell phone turned the video over to the police where it was shown over and over and over, and eventually landed all of them in jail for the rest of their lives.

    My 20 something daughter drove across the US and Canada to Vancouver in 2018 and I told her as gently as I could to stay clear of black people. Her car broke down in Yellowstone Park and several white people in Idaho helped her out. She said, “I can’t believe how nice these people were.” I resisted the temptation to say, “They can afford to be nice. There’s nothing but other whites around.”

  136. @cthulhu
    I’m wondering when jurors will become personally liable for verdicts against non-whites.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @AndrewR, @Prester John

    If it isn’t here already it’ll coming to a courthouse near you very soon.

  137. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @anon

    Shhhh. Steve doesn't notice such things nor does he use his vaunted pattern recognition for one group.

    Steve's "War on Noticing" that special, chosen if you will, group continues.

    You see, if Steve acknowledged that an ethic group working together could achieve tremendous power and influence over our society, well, his whole Citizenism thesis falls apart.

    Citizenism requires every group to put loyalty to their fellow citizens above loyalty to their group. If any group takes advantage of that by sticking together, all the other groups will do the same. Basic game theory.

    The usual suspects prove daily that Citizenism is a failed idea. Steve can either acknowledge that and come up with something new or ignore the power and influence of the usual suspects. He chooses the latter.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Shetland

    Dunno. If you search his past articles, Steve has explicitly pointed out a lack of what he called noblesse oblige among this particular group. I also seem to recall him defending K MacDonald’s theory as not implausible on Twitter. All under his own name.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Shetland

    Steve has explicitly pointed out a lack of what he called noblesse oblige among this particular group.

    There's an ant heap of Jewish philanthropies in this country.

  138. @Jonathan Mason
    @anarchyst

    The Satilla 3 were stupid fools who tried to be vigilantes when a mentally ill man was nosing around their subdivision. Probably he WAS looking for something to steal.

    If they had any sense at all and really wanted to be helpful, they could have taken photographs of the intruder and gone to law enforcement to seek some kind of court order to exclude Arbery from the community.

    As it was the situation got out of control. As my mother used to say regarding toy guns, never point a gun at anybody, because you might accidentally poke their eye out.

    One of the Satilla 3 made the mistake of pointing a loaded weapon at the victim, and guess what happened next?

    Some prosecutors were sympathetic to the 3. After all they were not career criminals, and although very stupid, they believed they were doing the right thing, and the guy they shot was no great loss to the community.

    However the law does not care too much about your intentions, it is the end result that matters.

    It was tough luck on the Satilla 3 and their families that a quiet lunchtime suddenly turned into a totally unexpected event that ruined their lives, but sometimes the purpose of high profile punishment is to discourage others from doing the same thing.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Nicholas Stix, @anarchyst, @Anonymous

    “The Satilla 3 were stupid fools who tried to be vigilantes when a mentally ill man was nosing around their subdivision. Probably he WAS looking for something to steal.”

    They were neither stupid nor vigilantes. They were good neighbors who did the right thing. They were not perps, and Arbery (plus aliases) was not a “victim.”

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  139. @J.Ross
    @Hypnotoad666

    Thanks for the clarification. Years ago NPR had a dishonest, smug, triumphant gotcha moment, when they effectively "discovered" what everyone has known since the OJ verdict or before, as a lawyer let it slip that they didn't want blacks on a jury. We are going to see more unexplained deaths as the left renders the police unusable and the courts meaningless. More people will learn the lesson of Armed Robbery, and either let construction site joggers jog, or shoot offenders without letting police know.

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

    I saw what you did! Brilliant, but maybe a little “cerebral,” as Johnny used to say. But hey, okay by me!

  140. @Old Prude
    @Steve Sailer

    The military gives enlisted defendants the choice of a jury of officers, or of enlisted men. The JAG offcier who was briefing us on UCMJ laughed that the enlisted criminals always thought an enlisted jury would be more sympathetic. To quote Montgomery C. Burns "Fools!"

    Replies: @Hibernian

    The jurors still have to be senior in rank to the defendant and have to be at least E-6s. (NCOs minus buck sergeants and Corporals.)

  141. @Shetland
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Dunno. If you search his past articles, Steve has explicitly pointed out a lack of what he called noblesse oblige among this particular group. I also seem to recall him defending K MacDonald’s theory as not implausible on Twitter. All under his own name.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Steve has explicitly pointed out a lack of what he called noblesse oblige among this particular group.

    There’s an ant heap of Jewish philanthropies in this country.

  142. @Jonathan Mason
    @anarchyst

    The Satilla 3 were stupid fools who tried to be vigilantes when a mentally ill man was nosing around their subdivision. Probably he WAS looking for something to steal.

    If they had any sense at all and really wanted to be helpful, they could have taken photographs of the intruder and gone to law enforcement to seek some kind of court order to exclude Arbery from the community.

    As it was the situation got out of control. As my mother used to say regarding toy guns, never point a gun at anybody, because you might accidentally poke their eye out.

    One of the Satilla 3 made the mistake of pointing a loaded weapon at the victim, and guess what happened next?

    Some prosecutors were sympathetic to the 3. After all they were not career criminals, and although very stupid, they believed they were doing the right thing, and the guy they shot was no great loss to the community.

    However the law does not care too much about your intentions, it is the end result that matters.

    It was tough luck on the Satilla 3 and their families that a quiet lunchtime suddenly turned into a totally unexpected event that ruined their lives, but sometimes the purpose of high profile punishment is to discourage others from doing the same thing.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Nicholas Stix, @anarchyst, @Anonymous

    Once the initial prosecutor refused to indict, all other attempts at prosecution for the same offense should have been declared null and void.
    Prosecutor shopping is no different than double jeopardy by other means and must never be allowed.

  143. Anonymous[185] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Mason
    @anarchyst

    The Satilla 3 were stupid fools who tried to be vigilantes when a mentally ill man was nosing around their subdivision. Probably he WAS looking for something to steal.

    If they had any sense at all and really wanted to be helpful, they could have taken photographs of the intruder and gone to law enforcement to seek some kind of court order to exclude Arbery from the community.

    As it was the situation got out of control. As my mother used to say regarding toy guns, never point a gun at anybody, because you might accidentally poke their eye out.

    One of the Satilla 3 made the mistake of pointing a loaded weapon at the victim, and guess what happened next?

    Some prosecutors were sympathetic to the 3. After all they were not career criminals, and although very stupid, they believed they were doing the right thing, and the guy they shot was no great loss to the community.

    However the law does not care too much about your intentions, it is the end result that matters.

    It was tough luck on the Satilla 3 and their families that a quiet lunchtime suddenly turned into a totally unexpected event that ruined their lives, but sometimes the purpose of high profile punishment is to discourage others from doing the same thing.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Nicholas Stix, @anarchyst, @Anonymous

    In cases like this you take care of business and keep your mouth shut. You don’t freaking tell the police or anyone else. People seem to have difficulty understanding this.

    It’s also the root cause of these endless Emmett Till controversies. First the two idiots yapping to Look magazine, now the idiot wife yapping to that Tyson guy.

    • Replies: @Rouetheday
    @Anonymous

    You mean that Tyson guy whose tape recorder malfunctioned at the most (in)convenient moment?

  144. @Ebony Obelisk
    You guys lost

    Get over it

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Mr. Anon, @SFG, @AnotherDad, @pyrrhus, @mark miller, @NeoLogick

    You forgot the “;”. Better formatting is the key towards clearer legibility!

  145. @SFG
    @Ebony Obelisk

    Never get over it. You can lose and then win. Look at Poland.

    Replies: @Rouetheday

    Are you referring to the World War or the World Cup? Or both?

  146. @Anonymous
    @Jonathan Mason

    In cases like this you take care of business and keep your mouth shut. You don't freaking tell the police or anyone else. People seem to have difficulty understanding this.

    It's also the root cause of these endless Emmett Till controversies. First the two idiots yapping to Look magazine, now the idiot wife yapping to that Tyson guy.

    Replies: @Rouetheday

    You mean that Tyson guy whose tape recorder malfunctioned at the most (in)convenient moment?

  147. Steve Sailer told a story showing the country’s march toward truly being Black-Run America (BRA): “The Court Must Presume” Racial Bias – Washington Supreme Court Makes Kendi’s Butterknife the Law of the Land

    Like we didn’t see this shit coming??? When it became trendy to hang out with Blacks in the 70’s, I saw the handwriting on the wall. Over the years Blacks have become more ignorant, demanding, violent, and emboldened to shoot, stab, rape, murder, burn stuff down & steal. Their constant whining about racism and bigotry and inequality are laughable. They’re on a mission to kill off or enslave all the White people. Mozlems are on a Jihad to destroy Christianity, as are Jews. Hispanics want to replace the White population.
    The GBLTQ bunch won’t be happy until they’ve coerced, deceived and destroyed every innocent child. We have surpassed the wickedness of Sodom and Gomorrah.

    What really galls me is the White people who are assisting in their own demise.
    This is one reason I never had children. No kid of mine is going to be forced to grow up in this Godless, violent, perverted, polluted planet.

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