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From The Washington Post:

Pro-Trump narratives converge in one awful attack streamed on Facebook

By Callum Borchers January 5 at 10:49 AM

If you believe discrimination against white people is rampant, that Donald Trump supporters face persecution, that Chicago is a war zone, and the media is dishonest, then your entire worldview is likely to be confirmed by one awful story.

Chicago police have detained four black teenagers after one of them streamed a live video showing the group striking and shouting at a young white man, who was bound and gagged. In the video, the assailants say “f— Trump” and “f— white people” and say that the victim “represents Trump,” though it is unclear whether the man actually backs the president-elect.

The pro-Trump Infowars website described the episode under a provocative headline: “White man kidnapped, gagged, beaten by racist black anti-Trump gang.”

“Provocative” is the new “controversial.” When I started reading the News and Feature sections of newspapers, rather than just the Sports section, around 1969-1972, “controversial” was used as praise and “provocative” meant “hubba-hubba, you’re going to want to check this out.”

Now both words imply deplorable, low class, Aryan Nation prison gang-level lack of respectability.

“Will the media even cover this footage or will news networks like CNN bury the story?” the article asked.

The cruel act captured on video is, in fact, receiving extensive media coverage — and universal condemnation — on CNN and elsewhere. But some conservatives are not satisfied by the response.

“If this had been done to an African American by four whites, every liberal in the country would be outraged, and there’d be no question but that it’s a hate crime,” former House speaker Newt Gingrich said Thursday morning on Fox News. He added his belief that “there has been a dramatic rise in racial tension under President Obama.”

Gingrich might be right about different reactions, but he conveniently ignores the reason. If the attackers had been white and the victim had been black, the incident would have, of course, conjured America’s ugly history of white mobs committing violence against black people. There is no parallel history of the reverse happening on anything remotely approaching the same scale.

Really?

Obviously, if you stop and think, hundreds of thousands if not millions of white individuals have suffered violence at the hands of mobs of multiple blacks over the last 50+ years, but that’s not a Thing in our national discourse. That’s just noise. Regrettable and forgettable.

How many memorials to crime victims are there in this country? (I believe there is one in Orange County, CA and one in Long Island, NY.) Why do you even know such things? Are you racist?

… The message in conservative media is clear: Reverse discrimination — particularly against white Trump voters — is a big problem that the liberals in the media refuse to acknowledge. Oh, and by the way, Chicago (the part inhabited mostly by black people, anyway) is a super-dangerous place, just like Trump said.

A Huffington Post survey conducted in November showed that 45 percent of Trump voters believe white people face “a lot of discrimination” in the United States today. Just 22 percent of Trump voters said the same about black people.

The result was consistent with the findings of researchers at Harvard and Tufts, whose 2011 study concluded that whites, overall, now view discrimination against white people as more prevalent than discrimination against black people.

“This perception is fascinating, as it stands in stark contrast to data on almost any outcome that has been assessed,” the researchers, Samuel Sommers and Michael Norton, wrote on the Post Everything blog in July. “From life expectancy to school discipline to mortgage rejection to police use of force, outcomes for white Americans tend to be — in the aggregate — better than outcomes for black Americans, often substantially so.”

Similarly, white Jews outperform white gentiles on a host of important life statistics, such as making the Forbes 400 list per capita, which does not prove Jewish Privilege, since that is not a Thing. Instead, it proves, obviously, that white gentiles are lazy and dumb.

You can’t argue with data!

The worldview of many Trump voters might not be supported by data. But now they can find support in one awful video out of Chicago.

Callum Borchers covers the intersection of politics and media. Follow @callumborchers

 
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  1. The worldview of many Trump voters might not be supported by data.

    Then again, it might. Perhaps in, let’s say, the distribution of interracial homicides.

    • Agree: NickG
    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Johan Schmidt


    Then again, it might. Perhaps in, let’s say, the distribution of interracial homicides.
     
    The stats on interracial assaults and rapes are more telling because there are more of them. By stats I mean as covered in The Color of Crime http://bit.ly/2hW7vdh

    Interracial Crime
    Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15 percent.
    Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks. Forty-five percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are black, and 10 percent are Hispanic. When whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are black.
    Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a white than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.
    Blacks are 2.25 times more likely to commit officially-designated hate crimes against whites than vice versa.
  2. “The worldview of many Trump voters might not be supported by data. ”

    Except for data from the FBI and DOJ.

    These media creeps deserve every punch in the nose Trump can throw.

    • Agree: Kyle McKenna
  3. Another prominent video released about a day ago. 0:20 or – 1:30

    https://www.facebook.com/HumanityforProgress/videos/425138694493255/

    • Replies: @WowJustWow
    @AnotherGuessModel

    "The majority of Americans, regardless of who they voted for, / did not vote for racism, / for sexism, or for xenophobia, / and yet Donald Trump won."

    I've seen a lot of propaganda videos in this style where several people speak different parts of a single sentence, but I've never seen one where the person who started a sentence seems to take a different stance than the person who ended it.

    , @CK
    @AnotherGuessModel

    What a marvelous video; I had to learn more and so I did:
    The narrators were: 2 Activists, 5 actors, 2 writers, 5 Religious folk, 1 designer, 2 tv news people, 1 person from a labour union and a half owner of a basketball teamfrom NYC.
    Missing were any producers of goods or services, any producers of science or engineering or technology, any mathematicians, any working stiffs, anyone remotely necessary for the successful functioning of a nation.
    The video was a wee bit condescending too.

  4. “This perception is fascinating, as it stands in stark contrast to data on almost any outcome that has been assessed,” the researchers, Samuel Sommers and Michael Norton, wrote on the Post Everything blog in July. “From life expectancy to school discipline to mortgage rejection to police use of force, outcomes for white Americans tend to be — in the aggregate — better than outcomes for black Americans, often substantially so.”

    This is pure question-begging, since they assume from the start that all those differences in outcomes -from life expectancy to school discipline to mortgage rejection to police use of force – are driven by racial discrimination. What if they’re not?

    • Replies: @PSR
    @JerryC

    You mean those outcomes may be driven by, oh, I don't know ... behavior???

    , @415 reasons
    @JerryC

    This is the sine qua non of our braindead PC masters. If you can master this piece of tabula rasa blank slateisn that intuits that all differences in measurable outcomes are ipso facto measurements of discrimination then you've got the whole liberal worldview deeply embedded in your wetware.

    Replies: @midtown

    , @Jefferson
    @JerryC

    "This is pure question-begging, since they assume from the start that all those differences in outcomes -from life expectancy to school discipline to mortgage rejection to police use of force – are driven by racial discrimination. What if they’re not?"

    I read that African immigrants in Guangzhou often get in trouble with Chinese law enforcement because of their shady business scams. Is that driven by racial discrimination as well even though Chinese people are not capable of being racists, only White folks can be racist using Left Wing logic.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    , @Cletus Rothschild
    @JerryC

    "This is pure question-begging, since they assume from the start that all those differences in outcomes -from life expectancy to school discipline to mortgage rejection to police use of force – are driven by racial discrimination."

    That's a great parallel to the global warming scam: all weather changes -- and thousands of other non-weather related changes -- are driven by man's production of CO2.

  5. Callum is a journalism master’s degree candidate at Northeastern University. He also works as a freelancer for Boston.com, Patch.com, The Newton TAB and The MetroWest Daily News. Callum recently completed a two-year stint as editor of Citizen’s News, a three-town weekly newspaper based in Naugatuck, Conn., where he won 15 Connecticut Society of Professional Journalism awards. Before Citizen’s News, Callum was a sports correspondent at the Daily News Tribune in Waltham and a general news correspondent at The Medfield Press. His other experience includes time at the North American Sports Network in London, WENY-TV in Elmira, N.Y. and SportsRadio 850 WEEI. Callum is a graduate of Ithaca College. He grew up in Medfield and lives in Medway with his wife, Kate.

    https://callumborchers.wordpress.com/about/

    What I want to know is where did he get the name Callum Borchers?

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas
    @Mike Sylwester


    He grew up in Medfield and lives in Medway with his wife, Kate.
     
    From the looks of this guy you'd have never guessed it. Terminal case of gayface.

    Replies: @Dahlia, @Corvinus

    , @Clyde
    @Mike Sylwester



    What I want to know is where did he get the name Callum Borchers?
     
    wiki-
    Callum is a popular boy's name especially in Scotland where it was the 24th most popular boys name in 2012.
    Borchers is of German Dutch origin and is distributed across America.
    , @keuril
    @Mike Sylwester

    Emory Bortz was already taken?

    , @William Badwhite
    @Mike Sylwester

    https://twitter.com/willmenaker/status/730755833299079168

    100% effete dork

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

  6. If you believe discrimination against white people is rampant, that Donald Trump supporters face persecution, that Chicago is a war zone, and the media is dishonest, then your entire worldview is likely to be confirmed by one awful story.

    I can’t argue with that.

    If you believe discrimination against white people is rampant

    It is official federal policy, as well as a majority of selective colleges, large corporations, and state governments. Our TPP immigration rule excludes all majority white countries in favor of importing the famously productive and moral natives of Somalia, Haiti, and El Salvador.

    that Donald Trump supporters face persecution

    Yeah sure it is completely physically and professionally safe to walk around a blue state urban area with a Trump t-shirt. He got a lot of votes here in San Diego, but the only trump stickers I ever see are on the pickup trucks of burly self-employed contractors.

    that Chicago is a war zone

    I ran the numbers, Austin’s murder rate in 2016 was about 3,000 times higher than Japan’s. I am not sure at what point that becomes a “war zone,” seems to be a matter of semantics.

    • Agree: Frau Katze
    • Replies: @Obamadon_Imbecilis
    @Lot


    and the media is dishonest
     
    Well if you're reading WaPo regularly, you should've come across too many examples of this to count.
    , @Jefferson
    @Lot

    "Yeah sure it is completely physically and professionally safe to walk around a blue state urban area with a Trump t-shirt."

    It's not even safe to walk around a lot of red state urban areas with a pro-Trump t-shirt, let alone a blue state urban area. Would you have the balls to wear a pro-Trump t-shirt in the city limits of Houston for example? Houston is located in Texas, but their politics are not very Texan it's more Californian.

    , @Lurker
    @Lot


    I am not sure at what point that becomes a “war zone,” seems to be a matter of semantics.
     
    See also "no-go zones".
    , @Bill Jones
    @Lot

    Chicago has killed multiples of the Americans killed in Afghanistan in the past decade.

  7. Obviously, if you stop and think, hundreds of thousands if not millions of white individuals have suffered violence at the hands of mobs of multiple blacks over the last 50+ years, but that’s not a Thing in our national discourse.

    Definitely “millions.” Two million would only be one in 100 of us. NormPod’s essay describing his school and neighborhood experiences in the 1950’s rang true with mine four decades later. The tens of millions of whites who fled the cities where they grew up and owned homes were hardly all looking for bigger lawns. A lot ended up in ugly post-war apartments in the suburbs anyway.

    • Agree: Clyde
  8. The pro-Trump Infowars website described the episode under a provocative headline: “White man kidnapped, gagged, beaten by racist black anti-Trump gang.”

    Honestly, that sounds like a blandly descriptive headline to me.

  9. The pro-Trump Infowars website described the episode under a provocative headline: “White man kidnapped, gagged, beaten by racist black anti-Trump gang.”

    In addition to provocative, this is also the most complete and accurate way to describe the attack. Yet these people wonder why we don’t trust them.

    There is no parallel history of the reverse happening on anything remotely approaching the same scale.

    You have to wonder what the statistics would be comparing historic race motivated crimes by white and black mobs. I doubt there is any way to look at it accurately.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @Barnard


    In addition to provocative, this is also the most complete and accurate way to describe the attack.
     
    It leaves off the part where he was bound, they sliced off a little chuck of his scalp, then used the spot as an ashtray, with the girl making a joke that he's now "a hothead" and everyone laughing at her wit.

    In partial defense of some of the reporters, Chicago Urban English is not that easy to understand.
    , @phil
    @Barnard

    The number of black-on-white murders in just a few years ' time exceeds the number of blacks lynched over all the decades covered by the Tuskegee Institute data. And many of the blacks lynched were guilty of horrific crimes.

  10. Is she trying to pretend that old guy getting yanked out of his car right after the election didn’t happen, or does she genuinely not know it happened … ?

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-trump-beating-video-1111-met-2-20161110-story.html

  11. Author Borchers is logic challenged. He says that anti-white discrimination is disproven by better statistical outcomes for whites, but there is no necessary connection. Whites might do well in spite of widespread discrimination. Perhaps this nonsense comes from the assumption that worse outcomes for blacks can only be due to discrimination (and not low intelligence, criminal culture, etc.), and therefore better outcomes “prove” absence of discrimination.

    • Replies: @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    @Thucydides

    All this proves is that evidence doesn't matter matter any more. People believe what they want to believe and rationalize whatever experience & evidence they come across. They're stuck their bubbles and can't help it any more.

    I'm increasingly of the opinion that there's no point getting upset, trying to negotiate or reason with these people. Their minds and ears might as well be closed as wide open and ceaselessly hectoring their mouths are.

    Replies: @Dr. X

    , @guest
    @Thucydides

    He's not logic-challenged, or not especially so. Logic is a weapon, to be used in furtherance of your gang in the who/whom? fight. Just look at the headline. It's all about "narratives," not truth, and the "pro-Trump" gang benefiting, which is notable because that's not the author's gang. If he were writing about his side, it would be about Common Sense, or whatever.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

  12. Callum Borchers’ conclusion omits even the possibility of a very simple reconciliation of his feigned conundrum: Whites do indeed face more discrimination and disadvantage in modern society than do blacks (preferentially enrolled, hired, and promoted; given special protection by so-called hate-crime laws; etc.), but they still outperform blacks on any number of empirical measures (lifespan, obtaining mortgages, refraining from crime and avoiding incarceration, etc.

    Put concisely:

    Whites don’t outperform blacks because blacks face more discrimination than whites.

    Whites outperform blacks despite whites’ facing more discrimination than blacks.

  13. The pro-Trump Infowars website described the episode under a provocative headline: “White man kidnapped, gagged, beaten by racist black anti-Trump gang.”

    And provocative headlines are only justified when they provoke anger in service of the leftist agenda, not against it.

    The cruel act captured on video is, in fact, receiving extensive media coverage — and universal condemnation — on CNN and elsewhere.

    After kinda taking it slow at the start. And it will only last a fraction of the time the coverage of a reversed-polarity incident (“Black man kidnapped, gagged, beaten by racist white pro-Trump gang.”) would last. Sooner than later, something “more newsworthy” will push it out, stage left. And it will never be referred back to, the way leftists would refer back to a reversed-polarity incident. It will never become part of the weave of the Narrative that Big Media pushes. It won’t be written into textbooks. Etc.

    Gingrich might be right about different reactions, but he conveniently ignores the reason. If the attackers had been white and the victim had been black, the incident would have, of course, conjured America’s ugly history of white mobs committing violence against black people. There is no parallel Narrative of the reverse happening on anything remotely approaching the same scale.

    FIFH.

    … The message in conservative media is clear: Reverse discrimination —

    “Reverse discrimination” is a great example of Big Media newspeak. It implies that real discrimination (note how kidnapping and torturing a White man is “discrimination,” not “racism,” or “hate.”) is Whites doing bad things to non-whites. That non-whites doing it to Whites is merely an aberration, not “real” discrimination. It implies that discrimination against Whites is justified, in order to “reverse” the badness of discrimination, reverse the history of discrimination back on the wicked white race, etc. That even if it may someday count as real discrimination, for now it’s merely non-whites getting a tiny bit of their own back (and rightly so).

    The result was consistent with the findings of researchers at Harvard and Tufts, whose 2011 study concluded that whites, overall, now view discrimination against white people as more prevalent than discrimination against black people.

    “This perception is fascinating, as it stands in stark contrast to data on almost any outcome that has been assessed,” the researchers, Samuel Sommers and Michael Norton, wrote on the Post Everything blog in July. “From life expectancy to school discipline to mortgage rejection to police use of force, outcomes for white Americans tend to be — in the aggregate — better than outcomes for black Americans, often substantially so.”

    “I’ll see your obvious, systemic anti-White racism, and raise you ‘every disparate outcome is obviously YT’s fault.’”

  14. There is no parallel history of the reverse happening on anything remotely approaching the same scale.

    Does he really want to plant that flag? Because that seems like something that would not be hard to check.

    Oh, I’m sure you could fudge the numbers, counting EVERY attack by a group of white people on a black person as a hate crime, regardless of motive, but counting attacks by groups of black people ONLY if the attackers explicitly state that the attack is motivated by race hatred. I still don’t think that would get you within spitting distance of an accurate statement.

    Maybe you could make that claim work if you stopped counting at, say, 1960, which is what I suspect the writer really meant. Because that’s what they always mean, right? You’re just supposed to mentally add in that qualifier; they shouldn’t have to stop and explain it to you, you racist haters. After all, 1960 was, what … five years ago?

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Mr. Blank

    "After all, 1960 was, what … five years ago?"

    More like 5 seconds ago.

    Replies: @White Guy In Japan

    , @Bill Jones
    @Mr. Blank

    As I've said before one of the first things Trump should do is reverse Barry the Kenyans's banishment of race related crime statistics.

    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Mr. Blank


    Maybe you could make that claim work if you stopped counting at, say, 1960
     
    Except that the black family in 1960 was in far better shape than any decadal checkpoint since then. As the health of the family is inversely proportional to social pathology, degrading the family (a Leftist organizing principle) results in exactly the problems we see today. Leftism shows that human stupidity knows no bounds.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  15. One thing I don’t get (even though I knew it would happen) is the bizarre resistance to calling this a hate crime from the Chicago authorities and the media. I mean, it couldn’t be more obvious that the whole thing was motivated by racial animus – it was all right there on the video. Why not just call it what it obviously was and move on? The fact that they resisted calling it a hate crime in the face of such obvious evidence made the story even bigger than it otherwise would have been.

    What are they afraid of? Is there something that happens if they admit that blacks can commit hate crimes? I truly don’t understand what’s going on here.

    • Replies: @Amasius
    @JerryC

    Our whole world as we know it is held together entirely by ideas and concepts that are 99%+ discredited. If they admit one black racial hate crime then that means blacks can be racist, racial animus is real and you can't blame it all on White people, races are different and incompatible... the whole thing unravels. Like any orthodoxy whose end has come, its upholders are desperately clinging, plugging holes in the dam as best they can.

    , @anonymous
    @JerryC

    It's a blunder on their part.

    Whites are starting to see this 'hate crime' stuff for what it is, anti-white horse pucky. If something so heinous and obviously motivated by racial animosity isn't a 'hate crime' the logical conclusion is the entire idea of 'hate crime' legislation is to target whites exclusively.

    A crime should't be graded up or down in seriousness based on the ethnicity of the victims or perpetrators. There needs to be one standard for all groups -- one law that is applicable to all.

    When somebody murders or commits a serious crime against another person there must be some degree of 'hate' in that criminal's heart and mind. I don't think the law should be wrestling with the mentality of the criminal so much as looking at his/her actions.

    This is just another jewish tweak of our society designed to make them feel safe as a group. It's understandable from their perspective, but it has the effect of punishing the majority and damaging individual rights.

    , @anon
    @JerryC


    One thing I don’t get (even though I knew it would happen) is the bizarre resistance to calling this a hate crime from the Chicago authorities and the media.
     
    Amasius has it - the dominant culture is a house of cards held up by "the narrative" and part of the narrative - taught in sociology classes everywhere - is only white people can be racist.

    The narrative is almost 100% lies and so any slip up could bring it all down.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    @JerryC

    Hate crimes are punishing thought. If I hit a black guy with a 2x4 and break his arm, that's assault. If I yell "stupid n****r" while hitting him, his arm is still broken and it's still assault. The only difference is what I said. So it is the words that are the hate crime, not the assault itself. Truly Orwellian.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @guest

    , @ben tillman
    @JerryC


    What are they afraid of? Is there something that happens if they admit that blacks can commit hate crimes? I truly don’t understand what’s going on here.
     
    It's propping up a lie to maintain a false consciousness -- it's straight out of Gramsci.

    Whites are the oppressor race; all other races are victim races. This concept is embedded in the ultra-racist term "reverse discrimination", as Svigor pointed out. The entire anti-White project relies on the propagation of a false consciousness of collective White moral blameworthiness:

    http://www.unz.org/Pub/OccidentalQuarterly-2002q2-00009


    Europeans are thus exactly the sort of groups modeled by this research: They are groups with high levels of cooperation with strangers rather than with extended family members, and they are prone to market relations and individualism.

    This suggests the fascinating possibility that the key for a group intending to turn Europeans against themselves is to trigger their strong tendency toward altruistic punishment by convincing them of the moral blameworthiness of their own people. Because Europeans are individualists at heart, they readily rise up in moral anger against their own people once they are seen as free riders and therefore morally blameworthy—a manifestation of their stronger tendency toward altruistic punishment deriving from their evolutionary past as hunter gatherers. In making judgments of altruistic punishment, relative genetic distance is irrelevant. Free-riders are seen as strangers in a market situation; i.e., they have no familial or tribal connection with the altruistic punisher.

    ***

    Once Europeans were convinced that their own people were morally bankrupt, any and all means of punishment should be used against their own people. Rather than see other Europeans as part of an encompassing ethnic and tribal community, fellow Europeans were seen as morally blameworthy and the appropriate target of altruistic punishment. For Westerners, morality is individualistic—violations of communal norms by free riders are punished by altruistic aggression.
     

    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @JerryC


    I truly don’t understand what’s going on here.
     
    It is the Big Lie. It is where Marx, Lenin, Hitler, Howard Zinn and Noam Chomsky intersect. Totalitarian ideology is built on dishonesty. It is why the Left denies that there is truth.
  16. Sooner than later, something “more newsworthy” will push it out, stage left.

    I hope I live to see the rise of “journometrics”; fine-grained and wide-ranging statistics on how these humanities majors do their work. Media reach scores, time spent on x vs. y measured down to the second, biometric analysis of emphasis and characterization, physical models of a story’s impact, dictionalysis etc.

  17. Chicago has 7x the homicide rate of NYC. There’s a lot of room for improvement.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @JohnnyWalker123

    "Chicago has 7x the homicide rate of NYC. There’s a lot of room for improvement."

    Chicago is not Bumfuck Nowhereville like Ferguson. A lot of wealthy elites reside in Chicago, so I am surprised there is zero demand from the wealthy elites there to adopt Rudy Giuliani and Michael Bloomberg style policing.

    Chicago is part of The Big Five where the vast majority of mainstream media elites reside (New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, San Francisco, and Washington DC).

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jack D, @SFG, @biz, @Laugh Track, @CrunchybutRealistCon

    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @JohnnyWalker123


    Chicago has 7x the homicide rate of NYC. There’s a lot of room for improvement.
     
    De Blasio is working on that. It may be difficult, but in the interest of equality I am sure De Blasio can bring the NYC murder rate back up to the level of Dinkins-era achievement.
  18. @Barnard

    The pro-Trump Infowars website described the episode under a provocative headline: “White man kidnapped, gagged, beaten by racist black anti-Trump gang.”
     
    In addition to provocative, this is also the most complete and accurate way to describe the attack. Yet these people wonder why we don't trust them.

    There is no parallel history of the reverse happening on anything remotely approaching the same scale.
     
    You have to wonder what the statistics would be comparing historic race motivated crimes by white and black mobs. I doubt there is any way to look at it accurately.

    Replies: @Lot, @phil

    In addition to provocative, this is also the most complete and accurate way to describe the attack.

    It leaves off the part where he was bound, they sliced off a little chuck of his scalp, then used the spot as an ashtray, with the girl making a joke that he’s now “a hothead” and everyone laughing at her wit.

    In partial defense of some of the reporters, Chicago Urban English is not that easy to understand.

  19. A Huffington Post survey conducted in November showed that 45 percent of Trump voters believe white people face “a lot of discrimination” in the United States today. Just 22 percent of Trump voters said the same about black people.

    The standard of living has collapsed for a large percentage of blue collar whites, especially those in the rustbelt. There’s also been a huge increase in the overdose rate among downwardly mobile whites. This might account for why a lot of Trump supporters aren’t happy.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @JohnnyWalker123


    The standard of living has collapsed for a large percentage of blue collar whites, especially those in the rustbelt.
     
    The term Rustbelt is useful but applies to whites across America. Of course some states being impacted more. Probably track meth and heroin use to find where in America the blow to white male egos is the worst. Useful work being a large part of this ego, being just another name for self-regard.
    Problem with gov't welfare, rent, medical subsidies for "family" is they are funneled though the woman/now the family provider via gov't/ so the man becomes the orbiter instead of the traditional other way around.

    Replies: @anon

  20. “From life expectancy to school discipline to mortgage rejection to police use of force, outcomes for white Americans tend to be — in the aggregate — better than outcomes for black Americans, often substantially so.”

    Are these outcomes solely due to racial discrimination? Are Blacks nothing but leaves blowing in the winds of past injustices or do they have volition? Let’s choose the latter and make blacks human again!

  21. @Lot

    If you believe discrimination against white people is rampant, that Donald Trump supporters face persecution, that Chicago is a war zone, and the media is dishonest, then your entire worldview is likely to be confirmed by one awful story.
     
    I can't argue with that.

    If you believe discrimination against white people is rampant
     
    It is official federal policy, as well as a majority of selective colleges, large corporations, and state governments. Our TPP immigration rule excludes all majority white countries in favor of importing the famously productive and moral natives of Somalia, Haiti, and El Salvador.

    that Donald Trump supporters face persecution
     
    Yeah sure it is completely physically and professionally safe to walk around a blue state urban area with a Trump t-shirt. He got a lot of votes here in San Diego, but the only trump stickers I ever see are on the pickup trucks of burly self-employed contractors.

    that Chicago is a war zone
     
    I ran the numbers, Austin's murder rate in 2016 was about 3,000 times higher than Japan's. I am not sure at what point that becomes a "war zone," seems to be a matter of semantics.

    Replies: @Obamadon_Imbecilis, @Jefferson, @Lurker, @Bill Jones

    and the media is dishonest

    Well if you’re reading WaPo regularly, you should’ve come across too many examples of this to count.

  22. You know, I just realized something. This case is sort of like what happened to Emmet Till, but with the races reversed.

    You could argue it’s less heinous because the boy was tortured rather than killed. You could also argue the opposite – it was more heinous because the boy was mentally disabled and didn’t even provoke an attack.

    I suspect that in 2017, many of the major Hollywood studios will be begin making movies about this incident.

    • LOL: Mike Sylwester
    • Replies: @David In TN
    @JohnnyWalker123

    "I suspect that in 2017, many of the major Hollywood studios will begin making movies about this incident."

    Don't you know? They have to make a movie about the Christian-Newsom torture-murders first." Sarcasm off.

    Replies: @Anon

    , @Bob Smith of Suburbia
    @JohnnyWalker123

    They might, but I have a feeling they might change a few key details of the case. ;)

    Google Chante Mallard. Then google 'Stuck movie,' which is based on that true life case. Mena Suvari / Chante Mallard ... Sorry, I just don't see the resemblance.

  23. @Johan Schmidt

    The worldview of many Trump voters might not be supported by data.
     
    Then again, it might. Perhaps in, let's say, the distribution of interracial homicides.

    Replies: @Clyde

    Then again, it might. Perhaps in, let’s say, the distribution of interracial homicides.

    The stats on interracial assaults and rapes are more telling because there are more of them. By stats I mean as covered in The Color of Crime http://bit.ly/2hW7vdh

    Interracial Crime
    Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15 percent.
    Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks. Forty-five percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are black, and 10 percent are Hispanic. When whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are black.
    Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a white than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.
    Blacks are 2.25 times more likely to commit officially-designated hate crimes against whites than vice versa.

  24. re: last line
    What is the difference between “intersection” and “intersectionality”, and does anyone know the provenance of the latter? I’m guessing Deep Academia.

    • Replies: @biz
    @Marat

    "Intersectionality" is a magical fairy dust bullshit concept invented by, yes, academia, that supposedly immunizes leftists from having to acknowledge or deal with doublethink contradictions.

    So for example a leftist academic or SJW student can claim to be for women's rights and also for the increasing Islamization of society, complete with, say, not prosecuting cases of female genital mutilation in "vulnerable" communities. By invoking intersectionality they believe that they do not have to acknowledge that these positions (support for Islamism and feminism) are logically incompatible. Likewise a leftist academic or SJW student can claim to be for gay rights but support boycotts of Israel to benefit Arabs who currently have the death penalty for gays, or like Reggae music which calls for the murder of gays, and again they believe that the concept of intersectionality immunizes them from the logical incompatibility. Lastly I would mention the idea that supporting anyone's right to be considered any gender they want at any time will eventually mean that biological men will take over women's sports and claim affirmative action set-asides intended for women, which should alarm leftist academics and SJWs, but again they appeal to intersectionality to somehow remove the contradiction.

    By contrast, an intersection is where two streets cross.

    , @SFG
    @Marat

    According to Wikipedia, which can probably be trusted for this, it's thanks to...Kimberle Williams Crenshaw in 1989:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimberl%C3%A9_Williams_Crenshaw

  25. @Mike Sylwester

    Callum is a journalism master’s degree candidate at Northeastern University. He also works as a freelancer for Boston.com, Patch.com, The Newton TAB and The MetroWest Daily News. Callum recently completed a two-year stint as editor of Citizen’s News, a three-town weekly newspaper based in Naugatuck, Conn., where he won 15 Connecticut Society of Professional Journalism awards. Before Citizen’s News, Callum was a sports correspondent at the Daily News Tribune in Waltham and a general news correspondent at The Medfield Press. His other experience includes time at the North American Sports Network in London, WENY-TV in Elmira, N.Y. and SportsRadio 850 WEEI. Callum is a graduate of Ithaca College. He grew up in Medfield and lives in Medway with his wife, Kate.
     
    https://callumborchers.wordpress.com/about/

    What I want to know is where did he get the name Callum Borchers?

    Replies: @Alec Leamas, @Clyde, @keuril, @William Badwhite

    He grew up in Medfield and lives in Medway with his wife, Kate.

    From the looks of this guy you’d have never guessed it. Terminal case of gayface.

    • Replies: @Dahlia
    @Alec Leamas

    For real!

    The Washington Post gives off a Hillary Clinton campaign vibe to me: kind of stupid, with bitchy, hysterical Fringe-Americans who don't have a STEM bone in their bodies. And the IQ of the smart fraction of the enterprise seems to have dipped below a critical level where intelligence just for its own sake is valued. The guy who got Razib fired - yeah, there's a real prize - blackity, black, black, bla, black... I think there may be one who could be considered very intelligent, as we'd traditionally expect, but he's painfully neurotic and ideological so...
    They're more diverse than the manifest gayness that was the Hillary campaign, though.

    Its Woodward and Bernstein days are long behind it.

    (Jose DelReal is one who strikes me as most unusual for WaPo. Probably the least fringe person, smart, and just plain normal and not neurotic,)

    Replies: @Olorin

    , @Corvinus
    @Alec Leamas

    "From the looks of this guy you’d have never guessed it. Terminal case of gayface."

    Yes, Callum is a happy camper. On to more important things. Callum stated "There is no parallel history of the reverse happening on anything remotely approaching the same scale."

    Not surprising coming from a "rising star" of the Coalition of the Left Fringe groups. Similar to his right counterparts, some knowledge history from just a wee bit of research ought to made him put the brakes on making such a ludicrous statement, given Mr. Sailer's reference to Reginald Denny.

  26. @Lot

    If you believe discrimination against white people is rampant, that Donald Trump supporters face persecution, that Chicago is a war zone, and the media is dishonest, then your entire worldview is likely to be confirmed by one awful story.
     
    I can't argue with that.

    If you believe discrimination against white people is rampant
     
    It is official federal policy, as well as a majority of selective colleges, large corporations, and state governments. Our TPP immigration rule excludes all majority white countries in favor of importing the famously productive and moral natives of Somalia, Haiti, and El Salvador.

    that Donald Trump supporters face persecution
     
    Yeah sure it is completely physically and professionally safe to walk around a blue state urban area with a Trump t-shirt. He got a lot of votes here in San Diego, but the only trump stickers I ever see are on the pickup trucks of burly self-employed contractors.

    that Chicago is a war zone
     
    I ran the numbers, Austin's murder rate in 2016 was about 3,000 times higher than Japan's. I am not sure at what point that becomes a "war zone," seems to be a matter of semantics.

    Replies: @Obamadon_Imbecilis, @Jefferson, @Lurker, @Bill Jones

    “Yeah sure it is completely physically and professionally safe to walk around a blue state urban area with a Trump t-shirt.”

    It’s not even safe to walk around a lot of red state urban areas with a pro-Trump t-shirt, let alone a blue state urban area. Would you have the balls to wear a pro-Trump t-shirt in the city limits of Houston for example? Houston is located in Texas, but their politics are not very Texan it’s more Californian.

  27. @JerryC

    “This perception is fascinating, as it stands in stark contrast to data on almost any outcome that has been assessed,” the researchers, Samuel Sommers and Michael Norton, wrote on the Post Everything blog in July. “From life expectancy to school discipline to mortgage rejection to police use of force, outcomes for white Americans tend to be — in the aggregate — better than outcomes for black Americans, often substantially so.”
     
    This is pure question-begging, since they assume from the start that all those differences in outcomes -from life expectancy to school discipline to mortgage rejection to police use of force - are driven by racial discrimination. What if they're not?

    Replies: @PSR, @415 reasons, @Jefferson, @Cletus Rothschild

    You mean those outcomes may be driven by, oh, I don’t know … behavior???

  28. @Barnard

    The pro-Trump Infowars website described the episode under a provocative headline: “White man kidnapped, gagged, beaten by racist black anti-Trump gang.”
     
    In addition to provocative, this is also the most complete and accurate way to describe the attack. Yet these people wonder why we don't trust them.

    There is no parallel history of the reverse happening on anything remotely approaching the same scale.
     
    You have to wonder what the statistics would be comparing historic race motivated crimes by white and black mobs. I doubt there is any way to look at it accurately.

    Replies: @Lot, @phil

    The number of black-on-white murders in just a few years ‘ time exceeds the number of blacks lynched over all the decades covered by the Tuskegee Institute data. And many of the blacks lynched were guilty of horrific crimes.

  29. @Mike Sylwester

    Callum is a journalism master’s degree candidate at Northeastern University. He also works as a freelancer for Boston.com, Patch.com, The Newton TAB and The MetroWest Daily News. Callum recently completed a two-year stint as editor of Citizen’s News, a three-town weekly newspaper based in Naugatuck, Conn., where he won 15 Connecticut Society of Professional Journalism awards. Before Citizen’s News, Callum was a sports correspondent at the Daily News Tribune in Waltham and a general news correspondent at The Medfield Press. His other experience includes time at the North American Sports Network in London, WENY-TV in Elmira, N.Y. and SportsRadio 850 WEEI. Callum is a graduate of Ithaca College. He grew up in Medfield and lives in Medway with his wife, Kate.
     
    https://callumborchers.wordpress.com/about/

    What I want to know is where did he get the name Callum Borchers?

    Replies: @Alec Leamas, @Clyde, @keuril, @William Badwhite

    What I want to know is where did he get the name Callum Borchers?

    wiki-
    Callum is a popular boy’s name especially in Scotland where it was the 24th most popular boys name in 2012.
    Borchers is of German Dutch origin and is distributed across America.

  30. Seriously, though: That has to be one of the most embarrassing articles I’ve ever read. It’s basically, “there’s no way we can report this straight without making the Left look bad, so … hey, look! Trump supporters! Since they’re all worked up, there must be SOMETHING racist about it! Racist racist racist! KKK and lynchings!”

    • Replies: @anon
    @Mr. Blank

    The general pattern is

    1) white people do something bad to non-white people
    -> bad white people

    2) non-white people do something bad to white people
    -> white people do it too
    -> bad white people

    the narrative requires all sin is white sin

    Replies: @Achmed E Newman

  31. I shouldn’t joke about this, but I can imagine liberals praying for a white guy to attack a black Muslim transgendered person.

    • Replies: @Chase
    @JohnnyD

    Praying? I can imagine them paying for it to happen. They pray for it all the time. Watch twitter when suspect is unknown.

  32. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    that Chicago is a war zone

    56 shot so far in 2017, 8 fatally, and it’s not even a week into the new year. This is more than in some current conflict zones. What’s with his ‘if you believe’ nonsense? He doesn’t think it’s happening? It’s all a Hollywood produced hologram? The perps will be charged with a hate crime but it appears that this is being done with great reluctance under public pressure. A less public case would probably not have this happen. Perhaps it doesn’t matter anyway except for the political symbolism, kidnapping and torture being fairly serious charges as they are. Incidents like this are good for those who like to monitor how the spinmeisters approach this and try to guide public perceptions.

  33. @Mr. Blank

    There is no parallel history of the reverse happening on anything remotely approaching the same scale.
     
    Does he really want to plant that flag? Because that seems like something that would not be hard to check.

    Oh, I'm sure you could fudge the numbers, counting EVERY attack by a group of white people on a black person as a hate crime, regardless of motive, but counting attacks by groups of black people ONLY if the attackers explicitly state that the attack is motivated by race hatred. I still don't think that would get you within spitting distance of an accurate statement.

    Maybe you could make that claim work if you stopped counting at, say, 1960, which is what I suspect the writer really meant. Because that's what they always mean, right? You're just supposed to mentally add in that qualifier; they shouldn't have to stop and explain it to you, you racist haters. After all, 1960 was, what ... five years ago?

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Bill Jones, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    “After all, 1960 was, what … five years ago?”

    More like 5 seconds ago.

    • Replies: @White Guy In Japan
    @Jefferson

    Remember, to the average Lefty, civilization began in 1965. The Holocaust started in 1492 and-well-you get the idea.

  34. Many crimes committed by blacks, whether against whites, Asians, or other blacks, never are reported. I know this from growing up in a majority black neighborhood. There are just way too many assaults and robberies for the cops to do anything. They have a hard enough time solving the murders, what with Stop Snitching and all.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Calogero

    "Many crimes committed by blacks, whether against whites, Asians, or other blacks, never are reported. I know this from growing up in a majority black neighborhood. There are just way too many assaults and robberies for the cops to do anything. They have a hard enough time solving the murders, what with Stop Snitching and all."

    There is an epidemic in Sacramento right now of Black on Asian crime but it doesn't get any national news coverage, only local news coverage because it doesn't fit the national mainstream media narrative and The Asian Social Justice Warrior Narrative that only White people are capable of being racist against Asians.

  35. If the attackers had been white and the victim had been black, the incident would have, of course, conjured America’s ugly history of white mobs committing violence against black people. There is no parallel Narrative of the reverse happening on anything remotely approaching the same scale.

    How about the mainstream media producing even a single video from today which shows comparable treatment of blacks by whites? Guess what — we live in 2017, not 1880, 1930, or anywhere in between. Why are the problems from about a century ago the ones we have to worry about, rather than those of today? Is there some time-traveling wormhole we don’t know about?

    Again, if there’s a real problem today with whites persecuting blacks — and in fact a much, much bigger problem — where are the videos?

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @candid_observer

    "How about the mainstream media producing even a single video from today which shows comparable treatment of blacks by whites? Guess what — we live in 2017, not 1880, 1930, or anywhere in between. Why are the problems from about a century ago the ones we have to worry about, rather than those of today? Is there some time-traveling wormhole we don’t know about?"

    Liberals say Conservatives wish we were still living in the 1950s, but it's Liberals who wish we were still living in the 1950s because they keep bringing up things that happened to Blacks in the 1950s like it's breaking news that just broke this morning.

    , @Detective Club
    @candid_observer

    These are not the droids you're looking for. Move along, move along . . .

  36. OT. Was the gang rape by Minnesota football players discussed somewhere here? I read about it in Daily Mail

    Ten Minnesota football players who were accused of gang rape of student and suspended will NOT face criminal charges due to ‘lack of evidence’

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4077694/University-Minnesota-football-players-won-t-face-charges-sexual-assault-investigation-prosecutors-say-behavior-

    few days ago for the first time. I still do not understand why the charges were dropped. Who was the victim?

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @utu

    If you check into the police report,

    http://kstp.com/kstpImages/repository/cs/files/University%20of%20Minnesota%20Police%20Department%20Redacted%204.pdf

    you will find that some of the accused had some cell phone video of the incident, which evidence was highly exculpatory of rape for them and highly inculpatory of skankiness for the accuser.

    Not that this sheds any glory on the football players, so the University isn't wrong to bounce them, but neither is the state wrong not to prosecute. Lately the DA seems to be having second thoughts though, so we'll see.

    Overall, it looks like a case of what Derbyshire calls "Narrative Convergence" when two of the Left's false consciousnesses converge on each other. In this case it is the Blacks-Are-Always-Unjustly-Accused narrative converging on the All-Rape-Claims-Are-Always-True narrative.

    Perhaps one could argue (though I would not) that if the football players had been white, this could have been another Brock Turner case. The differences are that in the Turner case the witnesses described the woman as being more unconscious, while at U Minn, the video showed her conscious and complicit. On the other hand, with Turner there wasn't actual sex, while U Minn was. So YMMV. Comparative jurisprudence is tricky.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  37. It’s ok. The white kid is deplorable. A white trash sneered at by hipster prog whites. Subhuman.

  38. @JohnnyWalker123
    Chicago has 7x the homicide rate of NYC. There's a lot of room for improvement.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    “Chicago has 7x the homicide rate of NYC. There’s a lot of room for improvement.”

    Chicago is not Bumfuck Nowhereville like Ferguson. A lot of wealthy elites reside in Chicago, so I am surprised there is zero demand from the wealthy elites there to adopt Rudy Giuliani and Michael Bloomberg style policing.

    Chicago is part of The Big Five where the vast majority of mainstream media elites reside (New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, San Francisco, and Washington DC).

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Jefferson

    For awhile, the two most omnipresent celebrities in America, Oprah Winfrey and Michael Jordan, lived in Chicago, but that was an anomaly. Most times Chicago is notably lacking in celebrities. It has lots of rich and powerful people in business, but not in the media.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Jack D, @Jasper Been

    , @Jack D
    @Jefferson

    There is (surprisingly) little spillover (at least in murders) from the black community to the white. 1,000 black people can kill each other on the South Side and it won't affect the people living in Lincoln Park.

    , @SFG
    @Jefferson

    You forgot Boston.

    I really think NYC just got lucky with Rudy 25 years ago after the diversity decided to kill an Orthodox guy in Crown Heights and things started improving from there.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    , @biz
    @Jefferson

    As they say, and it is accurate, Chicago is Portland attached to Detroit. The people you are talking about live in the Portland part and are amazingly isolated from the murders in the Detroit part.

    , @Laugh Track
    @Jefferson


    “Chicago has 7x the homicide rate of NYC. There’s a lot of room for improvement.”

    Chicago is not Bumfuck Nowhereville like Ferguson. A lot of wealthy elites reside in Chicago, so I am surprised there is zero demand from the wealthy elites there to adopt Rudy Giuliani and Michael Bloomberg style policing.
     
    I assume the homicide rate of "NYC" is limited in its body count to Manhattan. Harlem is not that overwhelming a proportion of Manhattan. What's the homicide rate in the Bronx or the crappier parts of Brooklyn? Higher than "NYC" I would guess.

    Chicago is a spread-out gigantic city, basically the equivalent of all NY boroughs. A much larger proportion of it is poor black ghettoes. Thus, the higher homicide rate is not entirely surprising.

    (Caveat: I'm just writing this without any serious research. It's just my impression based on my years around Chicago and NY.)

    Replies: @Jefferson, @biz

    , @CrunchybutRealistCon
    @Jefferson

    There is a big reason for this: Chicago is limited by a big lake on one side, and that's the only barrier to impede escape from a menace. Unlike the other major cities, rivers are either too few or narrow to be significant. Most middle & upper class whites live in carefully chosen pockets of "Chicagoland" which are (mostly) along the waterfront, well north or west of the city. Parts of the core loop are being gentrified but if you live in those areas, you either have a secure building, or are young & street smart. Pepper spray sales are up in recent years after "polar bear hunting" became a thing in tourist spots. The demographics & political will to implement a Guiliani-type revolution are just not there. This is BHO's town after all, and law enforcement is only kicked up around tourist areas when there is an outcry....otherwise people just try to avoid dangerous areas.
    The areas that get a bit of bleed over from marginal to good neighborhoods are mostly around Roger's Park, Edgewater, Albany Park, Oak Park/Austin & Humboldt Park, and adjacent areas. The entire city is crawling with bicycle & parcel thieves, while muggings in better areas tend to happen on summer nights & weekends.
    The vast majority of the gun battles are concentrated in a 100 sq mile area that constitutes the southern & western parts. Englewood is particularly bad. If you've seen Mogadishu as portrayed in Black Hawk Down, parts of Englewood are like that (no kidding).
    There is a strict avoidance of crimethink by Chicago SWPLs about the nature of crime. Either avoid the topic or talk vaguely of root causes, complications, cycles of violence, etc. Most blacks who decide to better themselves end up bailing on the city & moving way west to an outer burb.
    http://www.mappery.com/map-of/Chicago-Neighborhoods-Map

  39. The BBC report ends with:
    “The incident has provoked a strong reaction on Twitter, especially among the alt-right – the fringe group that celebrated US President-elect Trump’s election win with Nazi salutes.”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38525549

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @TelfoedJohn

    "The BBC report ends with:
    “The incident has provoked a strong reaction on Twitter, especially among the alt-right – the fringe group that celebrated US President-elect Trump’s election win with Nazi salutes.”

    So the BBC believes if you are against special needs White people being kidnapped and tortured by Black thugs you are a fringe Adolf Hitler Holocaust loving Nazi. Mainstream polite society believes we should have more kidnappings like these, not less.

    , @Kyle McKenna
    @TelfoedJohn

    Alas, par for the course at the Beeb. Along with much of the Brit media, they subscribe to (and promote) the same notions that animate the MSM in America: Either you're down with widespread torture/murders of white people, and especially being silent about same--because white people deserve this, of course; or you're obviously the Second Coming of Adolf. In which case you especially deserve the above. Neat trick innit.

    Tiresome Repetition Dept: The Owners of the MSM remain--always and everywhere--totally insulated from the mayhem they celebrate.

    Replies: @TelfoedJohn

  40. @Mike Sylwester

    Callum is a journalism master’s degree candidate at Northeastern University. He also works as a freelancer for Boston.com, Patch.com, The Newton TAB and The MetroWest Daily News. Callum recently completed a two-year stint as editor of Citizen’s News, a three-town weekly newspaper based in Naugatuck, Conn., where he won 15 Connecticut Society of Professional Journalism awards. Before Citizen’s News, Callum was a sports correspondent at the Daily News Tribune in Waltham and a general news correspondent at The Medfield Press. His other experience includes time at the North American Sports Network in London, WENY-TV in Elmira, N.Y. and SportsRadio 850 WEEI. Callum is a graduate of Ithaca College. He grew up in Medfield and lives in Medway with his wife, Kate.
     
    https://callumborchers.wordpress.com/about/

    What I want to know is where did he get the name Callum Borchers?

    Replies: @Alec Leamas, @Clyde, @keuril, @William Badwhite

    Emory Bortz was already taken?

  41. @Jefferson
    @JohnnyWalker123

    "Chicago has 7x the homicide rate of NYC. There’s a lot of room for improvement."

    Chicago is not Bumfuck Nowhereville like Ferguson. A lot of wealthy elites reside in Chicago, so I am surprised there is zero demand from the wealthy elites there to adopt Rudy Giuliani and Michael Bloomberg style policing.

    Chicago is part of The Big Five where the vast majority of mainstream media elites reside (New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, San Francisco, and Washington DC).

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jack D, @SFG, @biz, @Laugh Track, @CrunchybutRealistCon

    For awhile, the two most omnipresent celebrities in America, Oprah Winfrey and Michael Jordan, lived in Chicago, but that was an anomaly. Most times Chicago is notably lacking in celebrities. It has lots of rich and powerful people in business, but not in the media.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Steve Sailer

    "For awhile, the two most omnipresent celebrities in America, Oprah Winfrey and Michael Jordan, lived in Chicago, but that was an anomaly. Most times Chicago is notably lacking in celebrities. It has lots of rich and powerful people in business, but not in the media."

    Chicago is still part of The Big Five. There is a reason Barack Hussein Obama was extremely attracted to Chicago. He would not have been if Chicago was Bumfuck Nowhereville. Chicago is an extremely high status city. Chicago is one of the playgrounds of the 1 percent.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas, @anonguy, @Kyle McKenna

    , @Jack D
    @Steve Sailer

    NY and LA (and DC for politics) suck up all the celebrity oxygen and it's only gotten worse (back in the early days of TV there were shows that originated in Chicago, Philadelphia, etc.) just as it seemed (until Trump) that in recent years all Presidents, all S. Ct Justices, etc. had to come only from Harvard or Yale. It has to do with the increasing power of elites - if you ain't among the most elite people living in the most elite places, you're nothing.

    , @Jasper Been
    @Steve Sailer

    If I had the money to live wherever I wanted, I'd prefer Miami over Chicago!

  42. @candid_observer

    If the attackers had been white and the victim had been black, the incident would have, of course, conjured America’s ugly history of white mobs committing violence against black people. There is no parallel Narrative of the reverse happening on anything remotely approaching the same scale.
     
    How about the mainstream media producing even a single video from today which shows comparable treatment of blacks by whites? Guess what -- we live in 2017, not 1880, 1930, or anywhere in between. Why are the problems from about a century ago the ones we have to worry about, rather than those of today? Is there some time-traveling wormhole we don't know about?

    Again, if there's a real problem today with whites persecuting blacks -- and in fact a much, much bigger problem -- where are the videos?

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Detective Club

    “How about the mainstream media producing even a single video from today which shows comparable treatment of blacks by whites? Guess what — we live in 2017, not 1880, 1930, or anywhere in between. Why are the problems from about a century ago the ones we have to worry about, rather than those of today? Is there some time-traveling wormhole we don’t know about?”

    Liberals say Conservatives wish we were still living in the 1950s, but it’s Liberals who wish we were still living in the 1950s because they keep bringing up things that happened to Blacks in the 1950s like it’s breaking news that just broke this morning.

  43. I watched that video, and I have watched other videos of blacks going feral, and for the life of me I usually cannot understand more than 3 or 4 stray words in the dialogue. Young, feral, urban black youth really are speaking a new, distinct language. I have never studied Italian, but I could probably follow a conversation in Italian better than I can of these youth.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @Daniel H

    Technical term is AAVE, African-American Vernacular English. It actually has a few features Standard English doesn't--phases for describing different parts of an action in the present, for example.

    Replies: @Bill P

  44. This story reminds me of the stories about Muslim atrocities – “Muslim community leaders denounce the backlash from tomorrow’s bombing”. They are more worried about the backlash than about the crime. They seem completely unconcerned about the victim.

    The story BTW is breaking big nationally. It was played within the 1st 10 minutes on at least 2 of the 3 network news shows (CBS and ABC). They can’t resist video like this. The NY Times – crickets.

  45. @JerryC

    “This perception is fascinating, as it stands in stark contrast to data on almost any outcome that has been assessed,” the researchers, Samuel Sommers and Michael Norton, wrote on the Post Everything blog in July. “From life expectancy to school discipline to mortgage rejection to police use of force, outcomes for white Americans tend to be — in the aggregate — better than outcomes for black Americans, often substantially so.”
     
    This is pure question-begging, since they assume from the start that all those differences in outcomes -from life expectancy to school discipline to mortgage rejection to police use of force - are driven by racial discrimination. What if they're not?

    Replies: @PSR, @415 reasons, @Jefferson, @Cletus Rothschild

    This is the sine qua non of our braindead PC masters. If you can master this piece of tabula rasa blank slateisn that intuits that all differences in measurable outcomes are ipso facto measurements of discrimination then you’ve got the whole liberal worldview deeply embedded in your wetware.

    • Replies: @midtown
    @415 reasons

    This is the unquestioned starting point of progressive thought. It is so obviously innumerate and unscientific, yet they cannot bring themselves to question it (well, actually, quite a few are but are afraid to say otherwise).

  46. @Steve Sailer
    @Jefferson

    For awhile, the two most omnipresent celebrities in America, Oprah Winfrey and Michael Jordan, lived in Chicago, but that was an anomaly. Most times Chicago is notably lacking in celebrities. It has lots of rich and powerful people in business, but not in the media.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Jack D, @Jasper Been

    “For awhile, the two most omnipresent celebrities in America, Oprah Winfrey and Michael Jordan, lived in Chicago, but that was an anomaly. Most times Chicago is notably lacking in celebrities. It has lots of rich and powerful people in business, but not in the media.”

    Chicago is still part of The Big Five. There is a reason Barack Hussein Obama was extremely attracted to Chicago. He would not have been if Chicago was Bumfuck Nowhereville. Chicago is an extremely high status city. Chicago is one of the playgrounds of the 1 percent.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas
    @Jefferson


    Chicago is still part of The Big Five. There is a reason Barack Hussein Obama was extremely attracted to Chicago. He would not have been if Chicago was Bumfuck Nowhereville.
     
    It doesn't make sense for Obama to have picked Chicago as a place from which to launch a political career, unless Chicago is unlike other big cities. In Philadelphia, there's simply no way the nice young man from Hawaii and Harvard would have been anywhere near gaining the requisite support for a State Senate run. Those seats are handed down, traded within the party and "spoken for," so to say, for the next 15-20 years. He'd have gone blind writing out envelopes and licking stamps for 20 years waiting for a turn never to come.

    Is Chicago just less provincial and more open to outsiders? (N.B. Jeremiah Wright made his way from Philadelphia to Chicago).

    If not, it sort of lends a bit more credibility to the engineered, Manchurian Candidate conspiracies - why did this man from nowhere rise so fast?

    Replies: @Jefferson

    , @anonguy
    @Jefferson


    Chicago is still part of The Big Five.
     
    I've never, ever even slightly understood the appeal of the place. The extremely few times I've been there, just seems like a bigger Kansas City or St. Louis, an utterly charmless place situated in some forgettable location in the middle of the Great American Steppe.

    I don't care how big the shallow, muddy lake situated nearby is. No freshwater lake provides first class aquatic or beach experiences by definition as well as by all the weird bacterial infections they seem to breed for starters.

    And world class cities have terrain or have it very close nearby. Only unimaginative people can be content living on a steppe or plain.

    There are many, many more reasons why it is a second class city with pretensions to greatness but why further kick a dead horse. The only thing of any interest that has ever come out of the place are Capone and various Prohibition mobsters.

    Oh yeah, and being the setting for The Devil In The White City, but that was just coincidental, the book would have been interesting anywhere the events happened and probably more interesting in a real world class city.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Desiderius, @slumber_j

    , @Kyle McKenna
    @Jefferson


    Chicago is one of the playgrounds of the 1 percent.
     
    Oh yeah! The glitterati come for the water skiing on Lake Michigan in January.

    Replies: @Hibernian

  47. @Steve Sailer
    @Jefferson

    For awhile, the two most omnipresent celebrities in America, Oprah Winfrey and Michael Jordan, lived in Chicago, but that was an anomaly. Most times Chicago is notably lacking in celebrities. It has lots of rich and powerful people in business, but not in the media.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Jack D, @Jasper Been

    NY and LA (and DC for politics) suck up all the celebrity oxygen and it’s only gotten worse (back in the early days of TV there were shows that originated in Chicago, Philadelphia, etc.) just as it seemed (until Trump) that in recent years all Presidents, all S. Ct Justices, etc. had to come only from Harvard or Yale. It has to do with the increasing power of elites – if you ain’t among the most elite people living in the most elite places, you’re nothing.

  48. @TelfoedJohn
    The BBC report ends with:
    "The incident has provoked a strong reaction on Twitter, especially among the alt-right - the fringe group that celebrated US President-elect Trump's election win with Nazi salutes."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38525549

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Kyle McKenna

    “The BBC report ends with:
    “The incident has provoked a strong reaction on Twitter, especially among the alt-right – the fringe group that celebrated US President-elect Trump’s election win with Nazi salutes.”

    So the BBC believes if you are against special needs White people being kidnapped and tortured by Black thugs you are a fringe Adolf Hitler Holocaust loving Nazi. Mainstream polite society believes we should have more kidnappings like these, not less.

  49. Jesus this WaPo article is pathetic.

    Steve’s response almost writes itself.

  50. @Jefferson
    @JohnnyWalker123

    "Chicago has 7x the homicide rate of NYC. There’s a lot of room for improvement."

    Chicago is not Bumfuck Nowhereville like Ferguson. A lot of wealthy elites reside in Chicago, so I am surprised there is zero demand from the wealthy elites there to adopt Rudy Giuliani and Michael Bloomberg style policing.

    Chicago is part of The Big Five where the vast majority of mainstream media elites reside (New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, San Francisco, and Washington DC).

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jack D, @SFG, @biz, @Laugh Track, @CrunchybutRealistCon

    There is (surprisingly) little spillover (at least in murders) from the black community to the white. 1,000 black people can kill each other on the South Side and it won’t affect the people living in Lincoln Park.

  51. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I watched that video, and I have watched other videos of blacks going feral, and for the life of me I usually cannot understand more than 3 or 4 stray words in the dialogue. Young, feral, urban black youth really are speaking a new, distinct language.

    Well… people of different intelligence (and with other possible differences between them: surely the environment plays a small but indisputable role) speak different languages in fact.

    Example: whenever I read something by Unz I think “whew, I thought I could write English, but if English is this, mine isn’t English”.

    • Replies: @sayless
    @Anonymous

    "...whenever I read something by Unz I think Whew, I thought I could write English..."

    Yes, his prose is superb. It's dispassionate and lucid even when he is writing about the most terrible things.

  52. On a positive note, the reactions to the piece in the comments section at WaPo is overwhelmingly negative, to both the writer and his opinions.
    The word “hack”, as in the writer is a hack or the piece is a hack job, is coming up alot.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Dave

    He's a college kid who looks like he's about twelve. Blame the publisher who used him for his own nefarious purposes.

    Here's something else that happened, Jeff:

    http://ijr.com/2017/01/770915-wheel-of-fortune-guest-started-behaving-oddly-with-strange-letter-choices-then-pat-figured-out-why

    Replies: @bigduke6

  53. “This perception is fascinating, as it stands in stark contrast to data on almost any outcome that has been assessed,” the researchers, Samuel Sommers and Michael Norton, wrote on the Post Everything blog in July. “From life expectancy to school discipline to mortgage rejection to police use of force, outcomes for white Americans tend to be — in the aggregate — better than outcomes for black Americans, often substantially so.”

    Well, I guess that Sommers and Norton haven’t read the Angus Deaton “white death” study yet. Or they’re simply ignoring it because it doesn’t fit the liberal “American is Klanland” narrative.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/03/health/death-rates-rising-for-middle-aged-white-americans-study-finds.html?_r=0

    Callum Borchers covers the intersection of politics and media.

    Intersectionality! Why hell, there ya go, right there. ‘Splains everything, don’t it?

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @Dr. X

    I honestly thought this was a HuffPo piece based on that stupid intersection word alone. It surprised me that it was actually WaPo. God damn it.

    Replies: @Frau Katze

    , @Jefferson
    @Dr. X

    "t. Or they’re simply ignoring it because it doesn’t fit the liberal “American is Klanland"

    If America truly was Klanland the Black thugs in Chicago who tortured the special needs White youth would all be hanging from trees right now, because in Klanland it would be perfectly legal to use vigilante justice against Black thuggery.

  54. @Daniel H
    I watched that video, and I have watched other videos of blacks going feral, and for the life of me I usually cannot understand more than 3 or 4 stray words in the dialogue. Young, feral, urban black youth really are speaking a new, distinct language. I have never studied Italian, but I could probably follow a conversation in Italian better than I can of these youth.

    Replies: @SFG

    Technical term is AAVE, African-American Vernacular English. It actually has a few features Standard English doesn’t–phases for describing different parts of an action in the present, for example.

    • Replies: @Bill P
    @SFG


    Technical term is AAVE, African-American Vernacular English. It actually has a few features Standard English doesn’t–phases for describing different parts of an action in the present, for example.
     
    Correction:

    "It actually have a few features Standard English don’t"
  55. @JerryC
    One thing I don't get (even though I knew it would happen) is the bizarre resistance to calling this a hate crime from the Chicago authorities and the media. I mean, it couldn't be more obvious that the whole thing was motivated by racial animus - it was all right there on the video. Why not just call it what it obviously was and move on? The fact that they resisted calling it a hate crime in the face of such obvious evidence made the story even bigger than it otherwise would have been.

    What are they afraid of? Is there something that happens if they admit that blacks can commit hate crimes? I truly don't understand what's going on here.

    Replies: @Amasius, @anonymous, @anon, @Jim Don Bob, @ben tillman, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Our whole world as we know it is held together entirely by ideas and concepts that are 99%+ discredited. If they admit one black racial hate crime then that means blacks can be racist, racial animus is real and you can’t blame it all on White people, races are different and incompatible… the whole thing unravels. Like any orthodoxy whose end has come, its upholders are desperately clinging, plugging holes in the dam as best they can.

  56. @Thucydides
    Author Borchers is logic challenged. He says that anti-white discrimination is disproven by better statistical outcomes for whites, but there is no necessary connection. Whites might do well in spite of widespread discrimination. Perhaps this nonsense comes from the assumption that worse outcomes for blacks can only be due to discrimination (and not low intelligence, criminal culture, etc.), and therefore better outcomes "prove" absence of discrimination.

    Replies: @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta, @guest

    All this proves is that evidence doesn’t matter matter any more. People believe what they want to believe and rationalize whatever experience & evidence they come across. They’re stuck their bubbles and can’t help it any more.

    I’m increasingly of the opinion that there’s no point getting upset, trying to negotiate or reason with these people. Their minds and ears might as well be closed as wide open and ceaselessly hectoring their mouths are.

    • Replies: @Dr. X
    @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta


    I’m increasingly of the opinion that there’s no point getting upset, trying to negotiate or reason with these people.
     
    I'm tempted to agree with that, BUT when they get their hands on the levers of power or or the organs of propaganda you can't ignore them any more and just tune them out because they're going to foist their insanity upon you.

    Don't forget that Hillary DID win the popular vote by almost 3 million, and Trump took the electoral vote by less than 100,000 popular votes across four states. This thing EASILY could have gone the other way two months ago and these irrational wingnuts could have been in the driver's seat for another four+ years.
  57. @Lot

    If you believe discrimination against white people is rampant, that Donald Trump supporters face persecution, that Chicago is a war zone, and the media is dishonest, then your entire worldview is likely to be confirmed by one awful story.
     
    I can't argue with that.

    If you believe discrimination against white people is rampant
     
    It is official federal policy, as well as a majority of selective colleges, large corporations, and state governments. Our TPP immigration rule excludes all majority white countries in favor of importing the famously productive and moral natives of Somalia, Haiti, and El Salvador.

    that Donald Trump supporters face persecution
     
    Yeah sure it is completely physically and professionally safe to walk around a blue state urban area with a Trump t-shirt. He got a lot of votes here in San Diego, but the only trump stickers I ever see are on the pickup trucks of burly self-employed contractors.

    that Chicago is a war zone
     
    I ran the numbers, Austin's murder rate in 2016 was about 3,000 times higher than Japan's. I am not sure at what point that becomes a "war zone," seems to be a matter of semantics.

    Replies: @Obamadon_Imbecilis, @Jefferson, @Lurker, @Bill Jones

    I am not sure at what point that becomes a “war zone,” seems to be a matter of semantics.

    See also “no-go zones”.

  58. @Jefferson
    @JohnnyWalker123

    "Chicago has 7x the homicide rate of NYC. There’s a lot of room for improvement."

    Chicago is not Bumfuck Nowhereville like Ferguson. A lot of wealthy elites reside in Chicago, so I am surprised there is zero demand from the wealthy elites there to adopt Rudy Giuliani and Michael Bloomberg style policing.

    Chicago is part of The Big Five where the vast majority of mainstream media elites reside (New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, San Francisco, and Washington DC).

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jack D, @SFG, @biz, @Laugh Track, @CrunchybutRealistCon

    You forgot Boston.

    I really think NYC just got lucky with Rudy 25 years ago after the diversity decided to kill an Orthodox guy in Crown Heights and things started improving from there.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @SFG

    "You forgot Boston."

    San Francisco trumps Boston in importance because of it's close proximity to Silicon Valley.

  59. @Dave
    On a positive note, the reactions to the piece in the comments section at WaPo is overwhelmingly negative, to both the writer and his opinions.
    The word "hack", as in the writer is a hack or the piece is a hack job, is coming up alot.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    He’s a college kid who looks like he’s about twelve. Blame the publisher who used him for his own nefarious purposes.

    Here’s something else that happened, Jeff:

    http://ijr.com/2017/01/770915-wheel-of-fortune-guest-started-behaving-oddly-with-strange-letter-choices-then-pat-figured-out-why

    • Replies: @bigduke6
    @Desiderius


    He’s a college kid who looks like he’s about twelve. Blame the publisher who used him for his own nefarious purposes.

     

    A quick look at his linkedin page reveals that he's actually a staff writer at WaPo. And he got his B.A. in 2008, which means he's probably over 30. He just has that weak, low-t, white liberal male look going on. He knew what he was doing. He's just an awful person who lies for a living.
  60. @Dr. X

    “This perception is fascinating, as it stands in stark contrast to data on almost any outcome that has been assessed,” the researchers, Samuel Sommers and Michael Norton, wrote on the Post Everything blog in July. “From life expectancy to school discipline to mortgage rejection to police use of force, outcomes for white Americans tend to be — in the aggregate — better than outcomes for black Americans, often substantially so.”
     
    Well, I guess that Sommers and Norton haven't read the Angus Deaton "white death" study yet. Or they're simply ignoring it because it doesn't fit the liberal "American is Klanland" narrative.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/03/health/death-rates-rising-for-middle-aged-white-americans-study-finds.html?_r=0

    Callum Borchers covers the intersection of politics and media.
     
    Intersectionality! Why hell, there ya go, right there. 'Splains everything, don't it?

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @Jefferson

    I honestly thought this was a HuffPo piece based on that stupid intersection word alone. It surprised me that it was actually WaPo. God damn it.

    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    @Daniel Chieh

    WaPo seems to be going downhill. They're worse than NYT.

    Of course NYT could catch up.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh

  61. At one point I thought the media was duplicitous and biased. Well, maybe so, but as I get older I start to entertain the possibility that your Brookses and Friedmans and Borchers might just be more stupid than malicious. Although one can certainly fuel the other!

    Journalism is not getting our best and brightest. Kind of the blind leading the dumb over there.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Claude

    The corrupt hire the ignorant for plausible deniability purposes.

  62. @Lot

    If you believe discrimination against white people is rampant, that Donald Trump supporters face persecution, that Chicago is a war zone, and the media is dishonest, then your entire worldview is likely to be confirmed by one awful story.
     
    I can't argue with that.

    If you believe discrimination against white people is rampant
     
    It is official federal policy, as well as a majority of selective colleges, large corporations, and state governments. Our TPP immigration rule excludes all majority white countries in favor of importing the famously productive and moral natives of Somalia, Haiti, and El Salvador.

    that Donald Trump supporters face persecution
     
    Yeah sure it is completely physically and professionally safe to walk around a blue state urban area with a Trump t-shirt. He got a lot of votes here in San Diego, but the only trump stickers I ever see are on the pickup trucks of burly self-employed contractors.

    that Chicago is a war zone
     
    I ran the numbers, Austin's murder rate in 2016 was about 3,000 times higher than Japan's. I am not sure at what point that becomes a "war zone," seems to be a matter of semantics.

    Replies: @Obamadon_Imbecilis, @Jefferson, @Lurker, @Bill Jones

    Chicago has killed multiples of the Americans killed in Afghanistan in the past decade.

  63. Abe says: • Website

    “Tawana Brawley’s kidnapping, rape, and defilement by a gang of white men, including a District Attorney, technically did not happen, but it’s still significant because it says something [we think] important about America”, THE NATION c. 1988

    “The kidnapping, torture, and defilement of a young white man by a gang of blacks technically did happen, but it’s insignificant because it says nothing [we think] important about America”, THE BEZOS GAZETTE c. 2017

    • Agree: Percy Gryce
    • Replies: @utu
    @Abe

    “Tawana Brawley’s kidnapping, rape, and defilement by a gang of white men, including a District Attorney, technically did not happen, but it’s still significant because it says something [we think] important about America”, THE NATION c. 1988

    The similar logic was used by Deborah Lipstadt to defended the memoirs form Holocaust by Binjamin Wilkomirski or Misha Defonseca that turned to be totally fictitious. She said that while it was true these were fictional accounts they reflected the true experience of survival in Holocaust so they could continue to be used in teaching the Holocaust classes.

    , @sayless
    @Abe

    "Tawana Brawley's kidnapping, rape, and defilement..."

    January 6 is the tenth anniversary of the Christian-Newsome kidnapping, rape, torture, and murder in Knoxville.

    Thinking about it makes me want to shut down a freeway.

    , @Lucas McCrudy
    @Abe

    "THE BEZOS GAZETTE"

    Great name for the Washington (Com)post. I think I'll write that one down.

  64. @Marat
    re: last line
    What is the difference between "intersection" and "intersectionality", and does anyone know the provenance of the latter? I'm guessing Deep Academia.

    Replies: @biz, @SFG

    “Intersectionality” is a magical fairy dust bullshit concept invented by, yes, academia, that supposedly immunizes leftists from having to acknowledge or deal with doublethink contradictions.

    So for example a leftist academic or SJW student can claim to be for women’s rights and also for the increasing Islamization of society, complete with, say, not prosecuting cases of female genital mutilation in “vulnerable” communities. By invoking intersectionality they believe that they do not have to acknowledge that these positions (support for Islamism and feminism) are logically incompatible. Likewise a leftist academic or SJW student can claim to be for gay rights but support boycotts of Israel to benefit Arabs who currently have the death penalty for gays, or like Reggae music which calls for the murder of gays, and again they believe that the concept of intersectionality immunizes them from the logical incompatibility. Lastly I would mention the idea that supporting anyone’s right to be considered any gender they want at any time will eventually mean that biological men will take over women’s sports and claim affirmative action set-asides intended for women, which should alarm leftist academics and SJWs, but again they appeal to intersectionality to somehow remove the contradiction.

    By contrast, an intersection is where two streets cross.

  65. Allowing violent crime in poor black neighborhoods to spiral out of control is just another technique to drive poor blacks, in particular rental voucher holders, out of the City and into the relative safety of the inner ring suburbs South and West of Chicago. When enough have left, and the troublemakers amongst them have followed, the neighborhoods they once occupied become ripe for gentrification. A 50 % increase in shootings and a 65% increase in murders in one year is just another form of “urban renewal”.

  66. @Jefferson
    @JohnnyWalker123

    "Chicago has 7x the homicide rate of NYC. There’s a lot of room for improvement."

    Chicago is not Bumfuck Nowhereville like Ferguson. A lot of wealthy elites reside in Chicago, so I am surprised there is zero demand from the wealthy elites there to adopt Rudy Giuliani and Michael Bloomberg style policing.

    Chicago is part of The Big Five where the vast majority of mainstream media elites reside (New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, San Francisco, and Washington DC).

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jack D, @SFG, @biz, @Laugh Track, @CrunchybutRealistCon

    As they say, and it is accurate, Chicago is Portland attached to Detroit. The people you are talking about live in the Portland part and are amazingly isolated from the murders in the Detroit part.

  67. You guys all said it better than I could have, but my fledgling career in Corporemia was impeded far more by female gender nepotism/quotas than by catering to racial minorities. I mean for the most part African Americans are part of America, we’re stuck with them, they are disadvantaged as a group, so we are going to have to try to manage the best outcomes for them. But I guess saying that is also racist. I give up. 🙂

    • Replies: @Kyle McKenna
    @grapesoda

    And you, named after puppa drank!

  68. @Jefferson
    @Mr. Blank

    "After all, 1960 was, what … five years ago?"

    More like 5 seconds ago.

    Replies: @White Guy In Japan

    Remember, to the average Lefty, civilization began in 1965. The Holocaust started in 1492 and-well-you get the idea.

  69. His Twitter feed is a joy to read regarding this.

  70. @Mr. Blank

    There is no parallel history of the reverse happening on anything remotely approaching the same scale.
     
    Does he really want to plant that flag? Because that seems like something that would not be hard to check.

    Oh, I'm sure you could fudge the numbers, counting EVERY attack by a group of white people on a black person as a hate crime, regardless of motive, but counting attacks by groups of black people ONLY if the attackers explicitly state that the attack is motivated by race hatred. I still don't think that would get you within spitting distance of an accurate statement.

    Maybe you could make that claim work if you stopped counting at, say, 1960, which is what I suspect the writer really meant. Because that's what they always mean, right? You're just supposed to mentally add in that qualifier; they shouldn't have to stop and explain it to you, you racist haters. After all, 1960 was, what ... five years ago?

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Bill Jones, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    As I’ve said before one of the first things Trump should do is reverse Barry the Kenyans’s banishment of race related crime statistics.

  71. @Marat
    re: last line
    What is the difference between "intersection" and "intersectionality", and does anyone know the provenance of the latter? I'm guessing Deep Academia.

    Replies: @biz, @SFG

    According to Wikipedia, which can probably be trusted for this, it’s thanks to…Kimberle Williams Crenshaw in 1989:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimberl%C3%A9_Williams_Crenshaw

  72. @Claude
    At one point I thought the media was duplicitous and biased. Well, maybe so, but as I get older I start to entertain the possibility that your Brookses and Friedmans and Borchers might just be more stupid than malicious. Although one can certainly fuel the other!

    Journalism is not getting our best and brightest. Kind of the blind leading the dumb over there.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    The corrupt hire the ignorant for plausible deniability purposes.

  73. @JohnnyWalker123
    You know, I just realized something. This case is sort of like what happened to Emmet Till, but with the races reversed.

    You could argue it's less heinous because the boy was tortured rather than killed. You could also argue the opposite - it was more heinous because the boy was mentally disabled and didn't even provoke an attack.

    I suspect that in 2017, many of the major Hollywood studios will be begin making movies about this incident.

    Replies: @David In TN, @Bob Smith of Suburbia

    “I suspect that in 2017, many of the major Hollywood studios will begin making movies about this incident.”

    Don’t you know? They have to make a movie about the Christian-Newsom torture-murders first.” Sarcasm off.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @David In TN

    If Hollywood makes a movie about this case, it will be about Haven Monahan and his blonde Nazi gang kidnapping and torturing a kindly black graduate who's been accepted to Ivy League school to be a doctor devoting his life to poor kids.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @guest

  74. @Abe
    "Tawana Brawley's kidnapping, rape, and defilement by a gang of white men, including a District Attorney, technically did not happen, but it's still significant because it says something [we think] important about America", THE NATION c. 1988

    "The kidnapping, torture, and defilement of a young white man by a gang of blacks technically did happen, but it's insignificant because it says nothing [we think] important about America", THE BEZOS GAZETTE c. 2017

    Replies: @utu, @sayless, @Lucas McCrudy

    “Tawana Brawley’s kidnapping, rape, and defilement by a gang of white men, including a District Attorney, technically did not happen, but it’s still significant because it says something [we think] important about America”, THE NATION c. 1988

    The similar logic was used by Deborah Lipstadt to defended the memoirs form Holocaust by Binjamin Wilkomirski or Misha Defonseca that turned to be totally fictitious. She said that while it was true these were fictional accounts they reflected the true experience of survival in Holocaust so they could continue to be used in teaching the Holocaust classes.

  75. @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    @Thucydides

    All this proves is that evidence doesn't matter matter any more. People believe what they want to believe and rationalize whatever experience & evidence they come across. They're stuck their bubbles and can't help it any more.

    I'm increasingly of the opinion that there's no point getting upset, trying to negotiate or reason with these people. Their minds and ears might as well be closed as wide open and ceaselessly hectoring their mouths are.

    Replies: @Dr. X

    I’m increasingly of the opinion that there’s no point getting upset, trying to negotiate or reason with these people.

    I’m tempted to agree with that, BUT when they get their hands on the levers of power or or the organs of propaganda you can’t ignore them any more and just tune them out because they’re going to foist their insanity upon you.

    Don’t forget that Hillary DID win the popular vote by almost 3 million, and Trump took the electoral vote by less than 100,000 popular votes across four states. This thing EASILY could have gone the other way two months ago and these irrational wingnuts could have been in the driver’s seat for another four+ years.

  76. Or pick from the many videos of Knockout/Polar Bear Hunting, or mall violence, or summer festival violence, or the Trump voter dragged from his car and beaten, etc etc.

    ABC.com might have finally posted the story, but nothing last night or this morning when even the others begrudgingly posted it low in the stack using the normal nondescript headline terminology.

  77. @JohnnyD
    I shouldn't joke about this, but I can imagine liberals praying for a white guy to attack a black Muslim transgendered person.

    Replies: @Chase

    Praying? I can imagine them paying for it to happen. They pray for it all the time. Watch twitter when suspect is unknown.

  78. @Anonymous

    I watched that video, and I have watched other videos of blacks going feral, and for the life of me I usually cannot understand more than 3 or 4 stray words in the dialogue. Young, feral, urban black youth really are speaking a new, distinct language.
     
    Well... people of different intelligence (and with other possible differences between them: surely the environment plays a small but indisputable role) speak different languages in fact.

    Example: whenever I read something by Unz I think "whew, I thought I could write English, but if English is this, mine isn't English".

    Replies: @sayless

    “…whenever I read something by Unz I think Whew, I thought I could write English…”

    Yes, his prose is superb. It’s dispassionate and lucid even when he is writing about the most terrible things.

  79. @AnotherGuessModel
    Another prominent video released about a day ago. 0:20 or - 1:30

    https://www.facebook.com/HumanityforProgress/videos/425138694493255/

    Replies: @WowJustWow, @CK

    “The majority of Americans, regardless of who they voted for, / did not vote for racism, / for sexism, or for xenophobia, / and yet Donald Trump won.”

    I’ve seen a lot of propaganda videos in this style where several people speak different parts of a single sentence, but I’ve never seen one where the person who started a sentence seems to take a different stance than the person who ended it.

  80. Fitting coda to OBLMA presidency.

  81. @Abe
    "Tawana Brawley's kidnapping, rape, and defilement by a gang of white men, including a District Attorney, technically did not happen, but it's still significant because it says something [we think] important about America", THE NATION c. 1988

    "The kidnapping, torture, and defilement of a young white man by a gang of blacks technically did happen, but it's insignificant because it says nothing [we think] important about America", THE BEZOS GAZETTE c. 2017

    Replies: @utu, @sayless, @Lucas McCrudy

    “Tawana Brawley’s kidnapping, rape, and defilement…”

    January 6 is the tenth anniversary of the Christian-Newsome kidnapping, rape, torture, and murder in Knoxville.

    Thinking about it makes me want to shut down a freeway.

    • Agree: Percy Gryce
  82. @David In TN
    @JohnnyWalker123

    "I suspect that in 2017, many of the major Hollywood studios will begin making movies about this incident."

    Don't you know? They have to make a movie about the Christian-Newsom torture-murders first." Sarcasm off.

    Replies: @Anon

    If Hollywood makes a movie about this case, it will be about Haven Monahan and his blonde Nazi gang kidnapping and torturing a kindly black graduate who’s been accepted to Ivy League school to be a doctor devoting his life to poor kids.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Anon

    "If Hollywood makes a movie about this case, it will be about Haven Monahan and his blonde Nazi gang"

    Men can't be blonde, only blond.

    Replies: @Anon

    , @guest
    @Anon

    I'm sure whatever version of Law and Order is still on the air is , already hard at work.

  83. Dahlia says:
    @Alec Leamas
    @Mike Sylwester


    He grew up in Medfield and lives in Medway with his wife, Kate.
     
    From the looks of this guy you'd have never guessed it. Terminal case of gayface.

    Replies: @Dahlia, @Corvinus

    For real!

    The Washington Post gives off a Hillary Clinton campaign vibe to me: kind of stupid, with bitchy, hysterical Fringe-Americans who don’t have a STEM bone in their bodies. And the IQ of the smart fraction of the enterprise seems to have dipped below a critical level where intelligence just for its own sake is valued. The guy who got Razib fired – yeah, there’s a real prize – blackity, black, black, bla, black… I think there may be one who could be considered very intelligent, as we’d traditionally expect, but he’s painfully neurotic and ideological so…
    They’re more diverse than the manifest gayness that was the Hillary campaign, though.

    Its Woodward and Bernstein days are long behind it.

    (Jose DelReal is one who strikes me as most unusual for WaPo. Probably the least fringe person, smart, and just plain normal and not neurotic,)

    • Replies: @Olorin
    @Dahlia


    Its Woodward and Bernstein days are long behind it.
     
    Its Woodward and Bernstein days never existed.

    https://mediamythalert.wordpress.com/2012/06/17/the-media-myths-of-watergate-part-one/

    https://mediamythalert.wordpress.com/2010/01/27/the-watergate-myth-why-deunking-matters/
  84. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @JerryC
    One thing I don't get (even though I knew it would happen) is the bizarre resistance to calling this a hate crime from the Chicago authorities and the media. I mean, it couldn't be more obvious that the whole thing was motivated by racial animus - it was all right there on the video. Why not just call it what it obviously was and move on? The fact that they resisted calling it a hate crime in the face of such obvious evidence made the story even bigger than it otherwise would have been.

    What are they afraid of? Is there something that happens if they admit that blacks can commit hate crimes? I truly don't understand what's going on here.

    Replies: @Amasius, @anonymous, @anon, @Jim Don Bob, @ben tillman, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    It’s a blunder on their part.

    Whites are starting to see this ‘hate crime’ stuff for what it is, anti-white horse pucky. If something so heinous and obviously motivated by racial animosity isn’t a ‘hate crime’ the logical conclusion is the entire idea of ‘hate crime’ legislation is to target whites exclusively.

    A crime should’t be graded up or down in seriousness based on the ethnicity of the victims or perpetrators. There needs to be one standard for all groups — one law that is applicable to all.

    When somebody murders or commits a serious crime against another person there must be some degree of ‘hate’ in that criminal’s heart and mind. I don’t think the law should be wrestling with the mentality of the criminal so much as looking at his/her actions.

    This is just another jewish tweak of our society designed to make them feel safe as a group. It’s understandable from their perspective, but it has the effect of punishing the majority and damaging individual rights.

  85. @Jefferson
    @Steve Sailer

    "For awhile, the two most omnipresent celebrities in America, Oprah Winfrey and Michael Jordan, lived in Chicago, but that was an anomaly. Most times Chicago is notably lacking in celebrities. It has lots of rich and powerful people in business, but not in the media."

    Chicago is still part of The Big Five. There is a reason Barack Hussein Obama was extremely attracted to Chicago. He would not have been if Chicago was Bumfuck Nowhereville. Chicago is an extremely high status city. Chicago is one of the playgrounds of the 1 percent.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas, @anonguy, @Kyle McKenna

    Chicago is still part of The Big Five. There is a reason Barack Hussein Obama was extremely attracted to Chicago. He would not have been if Chicago was Bumfuck Nowhereville.

    It doesn’t make sense for Obama to have picked Chicago as a place from which to launch a political career, unless Chicago is unlike other big cities. In Philadelphia, there’s simply no way the nice young man from Hawaii and Harvard would have been anywhere near gaining the requisite support for a State Senate run. Those seats are handed down, traded within the party and “spoken for,” so to say, for the next 15-20 years. He’d have gone blind writing out envelopes and licking stamps for 20 years waiting for a turn never to come.

    Is Chicago just less provincial and more open to outsiders? (N.B. Jeremiah Wright made his way from Philadelphia to Chicago).

    If not, it sort of lends a bit more credibility to the engineered, Manchurian Candidate conspiracies – why did this man from nowhere rise so fast?

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Alec Leamas

    Do you think Barack Hussein Obama could have survived in the dog eat dog world of Detroit politics as a launch pad to the presidency?

  86. As of late evening, Jan 5th, this would appear to be a major break through in finally wresting control of the Libmedia narrative due to relentless blogging, and social media energy. With even BHO having to concede to our side, our opponents have taken a major public hit in credibility.

    Many of the attacks on Trump voters at rallies were clearly hate crimes, but the media managed to muddy the waters, and psy-ops the narrative as being a 2-way/”both sides are at fault” story.

    IMO, the Wichita Massacre, & the Brittanee Drexel events were far more brutal instances of hate crimes which the media has succeeded in obscuring. Even the Reginald Denny attack was probably way worse in terms of sustained brain damage, severity of injuries.

    Anyway, it is clearer than ever that the old Libmedia is just a loose grouping of SJW propagandists, and there decline has accelerated.

  87. @Jefferson
    @JohnnyWalker123

    "Chicago has 7x the homicide rate of NYC. There’s a lot of room for improvement."

    Chicago is not Bumfuck Nowhereville like Ferguson. A lot of wealthy elites reside in Chicago, so I am surprised there is zero demand from the wealthy elites there to adopt Rudy Giuliani and Michael Bloomberg style policing.

    Chicago is part of The Big Five where the vast majority of mainstream media elites reside (New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, San Francisco, and Washington DC).

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jack D, @SFG, @biz, @Laugh Track, @CrunchybutRealistCon

    “Chicago has 7x the homicide rate of NYC. There’s a lot of room for improvement.”

    Chicago is not Bumfuck Nowhereville like Ferguson. A lot of wealthy elites reside in Chicago, so I am surprised there is zero demand from the wealthy elites there to adopt Rudy Giuliani and Michael Bloomberg style policing.

    I assume the homicide rate of “NYC” is limited in its body count to Manhattan. Harlem is not that overwhelming a proportion of Manhattan. What’s the homicide rate in the Bronx or the crappier parts of Brooklyn? Higher than “NYC” I would guess.

    Chicago is a spread-out gigantic city, basically the equivalent of all NY boroughs. A much larger proportion of it is poor black ghettoes. Thus, the higher homicide rate is not entirely surprising.

    (Caveat: I’m just writing this without any serious research. It’s just my impression based on my years around Chicago and NY.)

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Laugh Track

    "What’s the homicide rate in the Bronx or the crappier parts of Brooklyn? Higher than “NYC” I would guess."

    In 2017 the crime rate in The Bronx especially The South Bronx still resembles the old New York City of the 1970s and 1980s. No White Liberal has the balls to try to gentrify The South Bronx. It's a definite no go zone area for Crackas.

    , @biz
    @Laugh Track


    I assume the homicide rate of “NYC” is limited in its body count to Manhattan.
     
    Most certainly not. I remember seeing some documentary where they claimed that over half of NYC's murders were in some shocking small number of square blocks in Brooklyn's Brownsville neighborhood. Then there's the Bronx, and the ghetto parts of Queens and Staten Island. Manhattan's murders, including Harlem, must be minuscule.

    Replies: @Jefferson

  88. @SFG
    @Daniel H

    Technical term is AAVE, African-American Vernacular English. It actually has a few features Standard English doesn't--phases for describing different parts of an action in the present, for example.

    Replies: @Bill P

    Technical term is AAVE, African-American Vernacular English. It actually has a few features Standard English doesn’t–phases for describing different parts of an action in the present, for example.

    Correction:

    “It actually have a few features Standard English don’t”

    • LOL: Percy Gryce
  89. @JohnnyWalker123
    You know, I just realized something. This case is sort of like what happened to Emmet Till, but with the races reversed.

    You could argue it's less heinous because the boy was tortured rather than killed. You could also argue the opposite - it was more heinous because the boy was mentally disabled and didn't even provoke an attack.

    I suspect that in 2017, many of the major Hollywood studios will be begin making movies about this incident.

    Replies: @David In TN, @Bob Smith of Suburbia

    They might, but I have a feeling they might change a few key details of the case. 😉

    Google Chante Mallard. Then google ‘Stuck movie,’ which is based on that true life case. Mena Suvari / Chante Mallard … Sorry, I just don’t see the resemblance.

  90. When a White-attacks-Black incident happened during the Obama Administration, the US Justice Department rushed an FBI investigation team to the city to prepare a federal show-trial of the White. On the other hand, when a Black-attacks-White incident happened, the US Justice Department ignored it and left it to the local prosecutors.

    Now that Trump will become the US President, Democratic-ruled governments might be threatened by federal intervention if they fail to charge Blacks with hate crimes.

    If Hillary Clinton had won the election, Chicago prosecutors would have omitted “hate crime” from the charges against the four Blacks in this incident. The idea here is that extra punishment for committing a hate crime never is imposed on any Black while Democrats control the government.

    In this recent case, however, Chicago prosecutors had to consider the possibility that a Trump administration would rush an FBI investigation team to Chicago to investigate and expose the Democratic city’s refusal to charge these four Blacks for committing hate crimes.

    Therefore, reluctantly, Chicago prosecutors ultimately did add the hate crimes to the charges. The 2016 Presidential election already has caused that consequence for Democrat-ruled states and cities.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Mike Sylwester

    Donald J. Trump is going to make hate crimes great again.

  91. @SFG
    @Jefferson

    You forgot Boston.

    I really think NYC just got lucky with Rudy 25 years ago after the diversity decided to kill an Orthodox guy in Crown Heights and things started improving from there.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “You forgot Boston.”

    San Francisco trumps Boston in importance because of it’s close proximity to Silicon Valley.

  92. @Calogero
    Many crimes committed by blacks, whether against whites, Asians, or other blacks, never are reported. I know this from growing up in a majority black neighborhood. There are just way too many assaults and robberies for the cops to do anything. They have a hard enough time solving the murders, what with Stop Snitching and all.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “Many crimes committed by blacks, whether against whites, Asians, or other blacks, never are reported. I know this from growing up in a majority black neighborhood. There are just way too many assaults and robberies for the cops to do anything. They have a hard enough time solving the murders, what with Stop Snitching and all.”

    There is an epidemic in Sacramento right now of Black on Asian crime but it doesn’t get any national news coverage, only local news coverage because it doesn’t fit the national mainstream media narrative and The Asian Social Justice Warrior Narrative that only White people are capable of being racist against Asians.

  93. @Jefferson
    @Steve Sailer

    "For awhile, the two most omnipresent celebrities in America, Oprah Winfrey and Michael Jordan, lived in Chicago, but that was an anomaly. Most times Chicago is notably lacking in celebrities. It has lots of rich and powerful people in business, but not in the media."

    Chicago is still part of The Big Five. There is a reason Barack Hussein Obama was extremely attracted to Chicago. He would not have been if Chicago was Bumfuck Nowhereville. Chicago is an extremely high status city. Chicago is one of the playgrounds of the 1 percent.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas, @anonguy, @Kyle McKenna

    Chicago is still part of The Big Five.

    I’ve never, ever even slightly understood the appeal of the place. The extremely few times I’ve been there, just seems like a bigger Kansas City or St. Louis, an utterly charmless place situated in some forgettable location in the middle of the Great American Steppe.

    I don’t care how big the shallow, muddy lake situated nearby is. No freshwater lake provides first class aquatic or beach experiences by definition as well as by all the weird bacterial infections they seem to breed for starters.

    And world class cities have terrain or have it very close nearby. Only unimaginative people can be content living on a steppe or plain.

    There are many, many more reasons why it is a second class city with pretensions to greatness but why further kick a dead horse. The only thing of any interest that has ever come out of the place are Capone and various Prohibition mobsters.

    Oh yeah, and being the setting for The Devil In The White City, but that was just coincidental, the book would have been interesting anywhere the events happened and probably more interesting in a real world class city.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @anonguy

    Chicago is the only 2 team MLB city that kept the 2 teams from the pre-WWW2 era. Also, we have the U of C, Northwestern, and an extensive legacy rapid transit system with major modern extensions. Not another NY, LA or SF, but not another StL or KC either. Oh, I forgot to mention we have a stock exchange and two commodities exchanges.

    , @Desiderius
    @anonguy

    Chicago was the brain-drain destination of choice for Appalachia*/the Midwest from around the 40s to the 90s. It was the closest world-class city where you could still feel somewhat connected to your Midwestish roots if you wanted that. There's still some dork-drain (who often want nothing at all to do with Midwest roots) and residual babe-drain, but I get the sense that more of the best and brightest are sticking around their hometowns.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    , @slumber_j
    @anonguy


    The only thing of any interest that has ever come out of the place are Capone and various Prohibition mobsters.
     
    Mobsters are interesting?

    I would have suggested instead the development of 20th c. architecture. For example.

    Replies: @Anotheranon, @Steve Sailer, @Achmed E Newman, @Almost Missouri

  94. @Dr. X

    “This perception is fascinating, as it stands in stark contrast to data on almost any outcome that has been assessed,” the researchers, Samuel Sommers and Michael Norton, wrote on the Post Everything blog in July. “From life expectancy to school discipline to mortgage rejection to police use of force, outcomes for white Americans tend to be — in the aggregate — better than outcomes for black Americans, often substantially so.”
     
    Well, I guess that Sommers and Norton haven't read the Angus Deaton "white death" study yet. Or they're simply ignoring it because it doesn't fit the liberal "American is Klanland" narrative.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/03/health/death-rates-rising-for-middle-aged-white-americans-study-finds.html?_r=0

    Callum Borchers covers the intersection of politics and media.
     
    Intersectionality! Why hell, there ya go, right there. 'Splains everything, don't it?

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @Jefferson

    “t. Or they’re simply ignoring it because it doesn’t fit the liberal “American is Klanland”

    If America truly was Klanland the Black thugs in Chicago who tortured the special needs White youth would all be hanging from trees right now, because in Klanland it would be perfectly legal to use vigilante justice against Black thuggery.

  95. @Alec Leamas
    @Jefferson


    Chicago is still part of The Big Five. There is a reason Barack Hussein Obama was extremely attracted to Chicago. He would not have been if Chicago was Bumfuck Nowhereville.
     
    It doesn't make sense for Obama to have picked Chicago as a place from which to launch a political career, unless Chicago is unlike other big cities. In Philadelphia, there's simply no way the nice young man from Hawaii and Harvard would have been anywhere near gaining the requisite support for a State Senate run. Those seats are handed down, traded within the party and "spoken for," so to say, for the next 15-20 years. He'd have gone blind writing out envelopes and licking stamps for 20 years waiting for a turn never to come.

    Is Chicago just less provincial and more open to outsiders? (N.B. Jeremiah Wright made his way from Philadelphia to Chicago).

    If not, it sort of lends a bit more credibility to the engineered, Manchurian Candidate conspiracies - why did this man from nowhere rise so fast?

    Replies: @Jefferson

    Do you think Barack Hussein Obama could have survived in the dog eat dog world of Detroit politics as a launch pad to the presidency?

  96. @Jefferson
    @JohnnyWalker123

    "Chicago has 7x the homicide rate of NYC. There’s a lot of room for improvement."

    Chicago is not Bumfuck Nowhereville like Ferguson. A lot of wealthy elites reside in Chicago, so I am surprised there is zero demand from the wealthy elites there to adopt Rudy Giuliani and Michael Bloomberg style policing.

    Chicago is part of The Big Five where the vast majority of mainstream media elites reside (New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, San Francisco, and Washington DC).

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jack D, @SFG, @biz, @Laugh Track, @CrunchybutRealistCon

    There is a big reason for this: Chicago is limited by a big lake on one side, and that’s the only barrier to impede escape from a menace. Unlike the other major cities, rivers are either too few or narrow to be significant. Most middle & upper class whites live in carefully chosen pockets of “Chicagoland” which are (mostly) along the waterfront, well north or west of the city. Parts of the core loop are being gentrified but if you live in those areas, you either have a secure building, or are young & street smart. Pepper spray sales are up in recent years after “polar bear hunting” became a thing in tourist spots. The demographics & political will to implement a Guiliani-type revolution are just not there. This is BHO’s town after all, and law enforcement is only kicked up around tourist areas when there is an outcry….otherwise people just try to avoid dangerous areas.
    The areas that get a bit of bleed over from marginal to good neighborhoods are mostly around Roger’s Park, Edgewater, Albany Park, Oak Park/Austin & Humboldt Park, and adjacent areas. The entire city is crawling with bicycle & parcel thieves, while muggings in better areas tend to happen on summer nights & weekends.
    The vast majority of the gun battles are concentrated in a 100 sq mile area that constitutes the southern & western parts. Englewood is particularly bad. If you’ve seen Mogadishu as portrayed in Black Hawk Down, parts of Englewood are like that (no kidding).
    There is a strict avoidance of crimethink by Chicago SWPLs about the nature of crime. Either avoid the topic or talk vaguely of root causes, complications, cycles of violence, etc. Most blacks who decide to better themselves end up bailing on the city & moving way west to an outer burb.
    http://www.mappery.com/map-of/Chicago-Neighborhoods-Map

  97. @Anon
    @David In TN

    If Hollywood makes a movie about this case, it will be about Haven Monahan and his blonde Nazi gang kidnapping and torturing a kindly black graduate who's been accepted to Ivy League school to be a doctor devoting his life to poor kids.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @guest

    “If Hollywood makes a movie about this case, it will be about Haven Monahan and his blonde Nazi gang”

    Men can’t be blonde, only blond.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Jefferson

    Well, in this age of 50 genders, men can be blondie too.

  98. @Mike Sylwester
    When a White-attacks-Black incident happened during the Obama Administration, the US Justice Department rushed an FBI investigation team to the city to prepare a federal show-trial of the White. On the other hand, when a Black-attacks-White incident happened, the US Justice Department ignored it and left it to the local prosecutors.

    Now that Trump will become the US President, Democratic-ruled governments might be threatened by federal intervention if they fail to charge Blacks with hate crimes.

    If Hillary Clinton had won the election, Chicago prosecutors would have omitted "hate crime" from the charges against the four Blacks in this incident. The idea here is that extra punishment for committing a hate crime never is imposed on any Black while Democrats control the government.

    In this recent case, however, Chicago prosecutors had to consider the possibility that a Trump administration would rush an FBI investigation team to Chicago to investigate and expose the Democratic city's refusal to charge these four Blacks for committing hate crimes.

    Therefore, reluctantly, Chicago prosecutors ultimately did add the hate crimes to the charges. The 2016 Presidential election already has caused that consequence for Democrat-ruled states and cities.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    Donald J. Trump is going to make hate crimes great again.

  99. • Replies: @res
    @Anonymous


    President Obama called the beating of a mentally disabled man broadcast on Facebook Live "despicable" but said the incident is not a sign racial tensions are worsening.

    ...

    “In part because we see visuals of racial tensions, violence and so forth because of smartphones and the internet ... what we have seen as surfacing, I think, are a lot of problems that have been there a long time,” Obama said in an interview with a CBS affiliate in Chicago.
     
    Where was this measured response when Ferguson was blowing up? Perhaps he should send a memo to BLM.
  100. @Laugh Track
    @Jefferson


    “Chicago has 7x the homicide rate of NYC. There’s a lot of room for improvement.”

    Chicago is not Bumfuck Nowhereville like Ferguson. A lot of wealthy elites reside in Chicago, so I am surprised there is zero demand from the wealthy elites there to adopt Rudy Giuliani and Michael Bloomberg style policing.
     
    I assume the homicide rate of "NYC" is limited in its body count to Manhattan. Harlem is not that overwhelming a proportion of Manhattan. What's the homicide rate in the Bronx or the crappier parts of Brooklyn? Higher than "NYC" I would guess.

    Chicago is a spread-out gigantic city, basically the equivalent of all NY boroughs. A much larger proportion of it is poor black ghettoes. Thus, the higher homicide rate is not entirely surprising.

    (Caveat: I'm just writing this without any serious research. It's just my impression based on my years around Chicago and NY.)

    Replies: @Jefferson, @biz

    “What’s the homicide rate in the Bronx or the crappier parts of Brooklyn? Higher than “NYC” I would guess.”

    In 2017 the crime rate in The Bronx especially The South Bronx still resembles the old New York City of the 1970s and 1980s. No White Liberal has the balls to try to gentrify The South Bronx. It’s a definite no go zone area for Crackas.

  101. @TelfoedJohn
    The BBC report ends with:
    "The incident has provoked a strong reaction on Twitter, especially among the alt-right - the fringe group that celebrated US President-elect Trump's election win with Nazi salutes."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38525549

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Kyle McKenna

    Alas, par for the course at the Beeb. Along with much of the Brit media, they subscribe to (and promote) the same notions that animate the MSM in America: Either you’re down with widespread torture/murders of white people, and especially being silent about same–because white people deserve this, of course; or you’re obviously the Second Coming of Adolf. In which case you especially deserve the above. Neat trick innit.

    Tiresome Repetition Dept: The Owners of the MSM remain–always and everywhere–totally insulated from the mayhem they celebrate.

    • Replies: @TelfoedJohn
    @Kyle McKenna

    "The Owners of the MSM remain–always and everywhere–totally insulated from the mayhem they celebrate."

    There really needs to be an organised effort to bring the downtrodden diverse to the elites doorstep so they can understand each other better. Truckloads of gangbangers, Somalis and transgender Latinx should be shipped to Martha's Vineyard immediately.

  102. @Jefferson
    @Steve Sailer

    "For awhile, the two most omnipresent celebrities in America, Oprah Winfrey and Michael Jordan, lived in Chicago, but that was an anomaly. Most times Chicago is notably lacking in celebrities. It has lots of rich and powerful people in business, but not in the media."

    Chicago is still part of The Big Five. There is a reason Barack Hussein Obama was extremely attracted to Chicago. He would not have been if Chicago was Bumfuck Nowhereville. Chicago is an extremely high status city. Chicago is one of the playgrounds of the 1 percent.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas, @anonguy, @Kyle McKenna

    Chicago is one of the playgrounds of the 1 percent.

    Oh yeah! The glitterati come for the water skiing on Lake Michigan in January.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Kyle McKenna

    We have, and have had, our own gliteratti. Check out Penny Pritzker, Milton Friedman, Enrico Fermi, Nelson Algren, Hemingway, Adlai Stevenson, Robert Maynard Hutchens, James T. Farrell, Mohammed Ali, Bill Veeck, Theo Epstein, Oprah, the Marshall Field family, etc.

  103. @grapesoda
    You guys all said it better than I could have, but my fledgling career in Corporemia was impeded far more by female gender nepotism/quotas than by catering to racial minorities. I mean for the most part African Americans are part of America, we're stuck with them, they are disadvantaged as a group, so we are going to have to try to manage the best outcomes for them. But I guess saying that is also racist. I give up. :)

    Replies: @Kyle McKenna

    And you, named after puppa drank!

  104. It is now provocative when a worldview is confirmed by facts.

  105. @JerryC

    “This perception is fascinating, as it stands in stark contrast to data on almost any outcome that has been assessed,” the researchers, Samuel Sommers and Michael Norton, wrote on the Post Everything blog in July. “From life expectancy to school discipline to mortgage rejection to police use of force, outcomes for white Americans tend to be — in the aggregate — better than outcomes for black Americans, often substantially so.”
     
    This is pure question-begging, since they assume from the start that all those differences in outcomes -from life expectancy to school discipline to mortgage rejection to police use of force - are driven by racial discrimination. What if they're not?

    Replies: @PSR, @415 reasons, @Jefferson, @Cletus Rothschild

    “This is pure question-begging, since they assume from the start that all those differences in outcomes -from life expectancy to school discipline to mortgage rejection to police use of force – are driven by racial discrimination. What if they’re not?”

    I read that African immigrants in Guangzhou often get in trouble with Chinese law enforcement because of their shady business scams. Is that driven by racial discrimination as well even though Chinese people are not capable of being racists, only White folks can be racist using Left Wing logic.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Jefferson

    As time goes on, East Asians are more and more "honorary whites."

  106. The Chicago black gang attack on a disabled white man illustrates again that there is no such thing as federal hate speech crime charges levied on blacks for attacking whites.

    Federal hate speech crime prosecutions are a one way street, prosecuted exclusively in favor of diversity people.

    The hate speech crime charges levied are merely local and whimsical.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Joe Franklin

    "The Chicago black gang attack on a disabled white man illustrates again that there is no such thing as federal hate speech crime charges levied on blacks for attacking whites."

    You are drinking from the wellspring of Fake News Stories. I suggest paying closer attention.

    www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/01/05/4-in-custody-after-group-beats-disabled-man-on-facebook-live-while-shouting-anti-trump-profanities-chicago-police-say/?utm_term=.99519b1d4557

    , @Hibernian
    @Joe Franklin

    The perps have a court date at the George N. Leighton courthouse which I believe is a Federal courthouse.

  107. @Jefferson
    @Anon

    "If Hollywood makes a movie about this case, it will be about Haven Monahan and his blonde Nazi gang"

    Men can't be blonde, only blond.

    Replies: @Anon

    Well, in this age of 50 genders, men can be blondie too.

  108. @Dahlia
    @Alec Leamas

    For real!

    The Washington Post gives off a Hillary Clinton campaign vibe to me: kind of stupid, with bitchy, hysterical Fringe-Americans who don't have a STEM bone in their bodies. And the IQ of the smart fraction of the enterprise seems to have dipped below a critical level where intelligence just for its own sake is valued. The guy who got Razib fired - yeah, there's a real prize - blackity, black, black, bla, black... I think there may be one who could be considered very intelligent, as we'd traditionally expect, but he's painfully neurotic and ideological so...
    They're more diverse than the manifest gayness that was the Hillary campaign, though.

    Its Woodward and Bernstein days are long behind it.

    (Jose DelReal is one who strikes me as most unusual for WaPo. Probably the least fringe person, smart, and just plain normal and not neurotic,)

    Replies: @Olorin

  109. provocative (adj.)

    mid-15c., “eliciting,” from Middle French provocatif (15c.) and directly from Late Latin provocativus “calling forth,” from provocat-, past participle stem of Latin provocare (see provoke). Specifically of sexual desire from 1620s.

    Related: Provocatively; provocativeness. The earliest appearance of the word in English is as a noun meaning “an aphrodisiac” (early 15c.).

    Sounds like Callum Borchers is trying to tell us something about himself.

    Question is, is it blacks torturing retarded white men he finds sexually arousing? Is it Trump voters’ manliness? Is it the God-Emperor’s sirocco of T? Or what?

  110. Once upon a time, newspapers published crime stories without censoring themselves. Here’s an article from the New York Times of June 12, 1944, less than a week after D-day. (I’m transcribing it here because I don’t know how to pass along the “.png” facsimile.)

    Passenger on BMT Train Shot for Objection
    To Rowdy Acts of 8 Young Negro Hoodlums

    Eight Negro hoodlums, 15 to 17 years old, terrorized more than a hundred passengers on a Brighton Beach Line BMT subway train bound from Coney Island to Franklin Avenue, Brooklyn, last night, and when one of the passengers objected they felled him with a blow and, while he was lying prostrated, shot him twice.

    The youths escaped at the Park Place station before police radio cars reached the scene. Their victim, John Montero, 29 years old, of 1683 University Avenue, the Bronx, was taken to Jewish Hospital, suffering from bullet wounds of the left wrist and the left hip. His condition was not dangerous, it was said at the hospital.

    The Negro youths boarded the eight-car train, some sections of which were crowded, at the Prospect Park station, shortly before 9 P.M. They began [word obscured] through the cars yelling:

    “This is D-day for the black folks, white trash get off!”

    Pushing passengers about and rough-housing them, the boys made themselves obnoxious and when the train stopped at the Botanical Gardens station a number of the passengers got off, to wait for the next train. The gang continued its rowdyism, seeking to annoy the passengers.

    As the train approached the Park Place station, Mr. Montero told the boys to quiet down, that their conduct was beyond endurance. One of the boys took a swing at him, hitting him in the jaw. He fell to the floor. Before the other passengers could see what was happening, two revolver shots rang out, the bullets finding a mark in Mr. Montero’s prone body.

    Police of the Grand Avenue station are investigating.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @Simon

    To think, a newspaper reporting who did what to whom. Incredible!

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @Simon

    I read a lot of old crime reports in the course of some research I did years ago. They contradict some myths you occasionally hear expressed today. One is that years ago, blacks were so intimidated by then-racist whites that their criminality was kept in line. Another is that blacks were reasonably law-abiding before Great Society programs destroyed the black family. (I've heard conservatives claim that before 1960s liberalism, black marriage rates were higher than those of whites.) Neither is true.

    Replies: @Detective Club, @Corvinus

  111. @candid_observer

    If the attackers had been white and the victim had been black, the incident would have, of course, conjured America’s ugly history of white mobs committing violence against black people. There is no parallel Narrative of the reverse happening on anything remotely approaching the same scale.
     
    How about the mainstream media producing even a single video from today which shows comparable treatment of blacks by whites? Guess what -- we live in 2017, not 1880, 1930, or anywhere in between. Why are the problems from about a century ago the ones we have to worry about, rather than those of today? Is there some time-traveling wormhole we don't know about?

    Again, if there's a real problem today with whites persecuting blacks -- and in fact a much, much bigger problem -- where are the videos?

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Detective Club

    These are not the droids you’re looking for. Move along, move along . . .

  112. @Simon
    Once upon a time, newspapers published crime stories without censoring themselves. Here's an article from the New York Times of June 12, 1944, less than a week after D-day. (I'm transcribing it here because I don't know how to pass along the ".png" facsimile.)

    Passenger on BMT Train Shot for Objection
    To Rowdy Acts of 8 Young Negro Hoodlums


    Eight Negro hoodlums, 15 to 17 years old, terrorized more than a hundred passengers on a Brighton Beach Line BMT subway train bound from Coney Island to Franklin Avenue, Brooklyn, last night, and when one of the passengers objected they felled him with a blow and, while he was lying prostrated, shot him twice.

    The youths escaped at the Park Place station before police radio cars reached the scene. Their victim, John Montero, 29 years old, of 1683 University Avenue, the Bronx, was taken to Jewish Hospital, suffering from bullet wounds of the left wrist and the left hip. His condition was not dangerous, it was said at the hospital.

    The Negro youths boarded the eight-car train, some sections of which were crowded, at the Prospect Park station, shortly before 9 P.M. They began [word obscured] through the cars yelling:

    "This is D-day for the black folks, white trash get off!"

    Pushing passengers about and rough-housing them, the boys made themselves obnoxious and when the train stopped at the Botanical Gardens station a number of the passengers got off, to wait for the next train. The gang continued its rowdyism, seeking to annoy the passengers.

    As the train approached the Park Place station, Mr. Montero told the boys to quiet down, that their conduct was beyond endurance. One of the boys took a swing at him, hitting him in the jaw. He fell to the floor. Before the other passengers could see what was happening, two revolver shots rang out, the bullets finding a mark in Mr. Montero's prone body.

    Police of the Grand Avenue station are investigating.

    Replies: @Lurker, @Harry Baldwin

    To think, a newspaper reporting who did what to whom. Incredible!

  113. @JerryC

    “This perception is fascinating, as it stands in stark contrast to data on almost any outcome that has been assessed,” the researchers, Samuel Sommers and Michael Norton, wrote on the Post Everything blog in July. “From life expectancy to school discipline to mortgage rejection to police use of force, outcomes for white Americans tend to be — in the aggregate — better than outcomes for black Americans, often substantially so.”
     
    This is pure question-begging, since they assume from the start that all those differences in outcomes -from life expectancy to school discipline to mortgage rejection to police use of force - are driven by racial discrimination. What if they're not?

    Replies: @PSR, @415 reasons, @Jefferson, @Cletus Rothschild

    “This is pure question-begging, since they assume from the start that all those differences in outcomes -from life expectancy to school discipline to mortgage rejection to police use of force – are driven by racial discrimination.”

    That’s a great parallel to the global warming scam: all weather changes — and thousands of other non-weather related changes — are driven by man’s production of CO2.

  114. Isn’t it interesting that the story itself hasn’t appeared on facebook’s “trending” feed — few people care enough to talk about it apparently — but now, thousands of people are talking about Montel Williams talking about it.

  115. @Desiderius
    @Dave

    He's a college kid who looks like he's about twelve. Blame the publisher who used him for his own nefarious purposes.

    Here's something else that happened, Jeff:

    http://ijr.com/2017/01/770915-wheel-of-fortune-guest-started-behaving-oddly-with-strange-letter-choices-then-pat-figured-out-why

    Replies: @bigduke6

    He’s a college kid who looks like he’s about twelve. Blame the publisher who used him for his own nefarious purposes.

    A quick look at his linkedin page reveals that he’s actually a staff writer at WaPo. And he got his B.A. in 2008, which means he’s probably over 30. He just has that weak, low-t, white liberal male look going on. He knew what he was doing. He’s just an awful person who lies for a living.

  116. The singer leaves his home in Kentucky in 1949 to pursue work at General Motors in Detroit, Michigan. He installs wheels on Cadillacs, watching each one roll by day after day on the assembly line, knowing that he will never be able to afford one of his own.

    Beginning almost immediately, he and a co-worker decide to “steal” a Cadillac by way of using their assembly line jobs to obtain the parts via salami slicing. He takes the small parts home hidden in his unusually large lunch box; larger parts are smuggled out in his co-worker’s motorhome.

    The process of accumulating all the necessary parts turns out to take at least 25 years (the newest part mentioned, the engine, is from 1973), but once they have what they think is a complete car, they attempt to assemble the pieces. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Piece_at_a_Time

    It works better with a motorcycle. I saw one built by an outlaw biker.
    The song was covered by Chicago rock band Tub Ring for the 2001 Johnny Cash tribute album, Cash from Chaos.

  117. @Alec Leamas
    @Mike Sylwester


    He grew up in Medfield and lives in Medway with his wife, Kate.
     
    From the looks of this guy you'd have never guessed it. Terminal case of gayface.

    Replies: @Dahlia, @Corvinus

    “From the looks of this guy you’d have never guessed it. Terminal case of gayface.”

    Yes, Callum is a happy camper. On to more important things. Callum stated “There is no parallel history of the reverse happening on anything remotely approaching the same scale.”

    Not surprising coming from a “rising star” of the Coalition of the Left Fringe groups. Similar to his right counterparts, some knowledge history from just a wee bit of research ought to made him put the brakes on making such a ludicrous statement, given Mr. Sailer’s reference to Reginald Denny.

  118. @Joe Franklin
    The Chicago black gang attack on a disabled white man illustrates again that there is no such thing as federal hate speech crime charges levied on blacks for attacking whites.

    Federal hate speech crime prosecutions are a one way street, prosecuted exclusively in favor of diversity people.

    The hate speech crime charges levied are merely local and whimsical.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Hibernian

    “The Chicago black gang attack on a disabled white man illustrates again that there is no such thing as federal hate speech crime charges levied on blacks for attacking whites.”

    You are drinking from the wellspring of Fake News Stories. I suggest paying closer attention.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/01/05/4-in-custody-after-group-beats-disabled-man-on-facebook-live-while-shouting-anti-trump-profanities-chicago-police-say/?utm_term=.99519b1d4557

  119. @JohnnyWalker123

    A Huffington Post survey conducted in November showed that 45 percent of Trump voters believe white people face “a lot of discrimination” in the United States today. Just 22 percent of Trump voters said the same about black people.
     
    The standard of living has collapsed for a large percentage of blue collar whites, especially those in the rustbelt. There's also been a huge increase in the overdose rate among downwardly mobile whites. This might account for why a lot of Trump supporters aren't happy.

    Replies: @Clyde

    The standard of living has collapsed for a large percentage of blue collar whites, especially those in the rustbelt.

    The term Rustbelt is useful but applies to whites across America. Of course some states being impacted more. Probably track meth and heroin use to find where in America the blow to white male egos is the worst. Useful work being a large part of this ego, being just another name for self-regard.
    Problem with gov’t welfare, rent, medical subsidies for “family” is they are funneled though the woman/now the family provider via gov’t/ so the man becomes the orbiter instead of the traditional other way around.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Clyde

    yes - a lot of it is related to pride - the prideless think welfare is great

  120. @Abe
    "Tawana Brawley's kidnapping, rape, and defilement by a gang of white men, including a District Attorney, technically did not happen, but it's still significant because it says something [we think] important about America", THE NATION c. 1988

    "The kidnapping, torture, and defilement of a young white man by a gang of blacks technically did happen, but it's insignificant because it says nothing [we think] important about America", THE BEZOS GAZETTE c. 2017

    Replies: @utu, @sayless, @Lucas McCrudy

    “THE BEZOS GAZETTE”

    Great name for the Washington (Com)post. I think I’ll write that one down.

  121. @415 reasons
    @JerryC

    This is the sine qua non of our braindead PC masters. If you can master this piece of tabula rasa blank slateisn that intuits that all differences in measurable outcomes are ipso facto measurements of discrimination then you've got the whole liberal worldview deeply embedded in your wetware.

    Replies: @midtown

    This is the unquestioned starting point of progressive thought. It is so obviously innumerate and unscientific, yet they cannot bring themselves to question it (well, actually, quite a few are but are afraid to say otherwise).

  122. @Simon
    Once upon a time, newspapers published crime stories without censoring themselves. Here's an article from the New York Times of June 12, 1944, less than a week after D-day. (I'm transcribing it here because I don't know how to pass along the ".png" facsimile.)

    Passenger on BMT Train Shot for Objection
    To Rowdy Acts of 8 Young Negro Hoodlums


    Eight Negro hoodlums, 15 to 17 years old, terrorized more than a hundred passengers on a Brighton Beach Line BMT subway train bound from Coney Island to Franklin Avenue, Brooklyn, last night, and when one of the passengers objected they felled him with a blow and, while he was lying prostrated, shot him twice.

    The youths escaped at the Park Place station before police radio cars reached the scene. Their victim, John Montero, 29 years old, of 1683 University Avenue, the Bronx, was taken to Jewish Hospital, suffering from bullet wounds of the left wrist and the left hip. His condition was not dangerous, it was said at the hospital.

    The Negro youths boarded the eight-car train, some sections of which were crowded, at the Prospect Park station, shortly before 9 P.M. They began [word obscured] through the cars yelling:

    "This is D-day for the black folks, white trash get off!"

    Pushing passengers about and rough-housing them, the boys made themselves obnoxious and when the train stopped at the Botanical Gardens station a number of the passengers got off, to wait for the next train. The gang continued its rowdyism, seeking to annoy the passengers.

    As the train approached the Park Place station, Mr. Montero told the boys to quiet down, that their conduct was beyond endurance. One of the boys took a swing at him, hitting him in the jaw. He fell to the floor. Before the other passengers could see what was happening, two revolver shots rang out, the bullets finding a mark in Mr. Montero's prone body.

    Police of the Grand Avenue station are investigating.

    Replies: @Lurker, @Harry Baldwin

    I read a lot of old crime reports in the course of some research I did years ago. They contradict some myths you occasionally hear expressed today. One is that years ago, blacks were so intimidated by then-racist whites that their criminality was kept in line. Another is that blacks were reasonably law-abiding before Great Society programs destroyed the black family. (I’ve heard conservatives claim that before 1960s liberalism, black marriage rates were higher than those of whites.) Neither is true.

    • Replies: @Detective Club
    @Harry Baldwin

    William Faulkner, the great Southern novelist who won the Nobel Prize for Literature, portrayed many characters and frequent situations, which highlighted how crime-prone and disorganized Negroes in the South had been since 1865 (Faulkner also had very little to say that was complimentary about Southern Jews, too).

    Funny how things work out. Higher institutions of learning no longer teach Faulkner anymore. He probably was a bad novelist after all. He must've gotten famous and was widely read once upon a time because White Privilege and you know how that works, Whitey!

    , @Corvinus
    @Harry Baldwin

    "I read a lot of old crime reports in the course of some research I did years ago. They contradict some myths you occasionally hear expressed today. One is that years ago, blacks were so intimidated by then-racist whites that their criminality was kept in line. Another is that blacks were reasonably law-abiding before Great Society programs destroyed the black family. (I’ve heard conservatives claim that before 1960s liberalism, black marriage rates were higher than those of whites.) Neither is true."

    So, where is one able to find these sources? And, what are these exact sources?

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @ATBOTL

  123. @Laugh Track
    @Jefferson


    “Chicago has 7x the homicide rate of NYC. There’s a lot of room for improvement.”

    Chicago is not Bumfuck Nowhereville like Ferguson. A lot of wealthy elites reside in Chicago, so I am surprised there is zero demand from the wealthy elites there to adopt Rudy Giuliani and Michael Bloomberg style policing.
     
    I assume the homicide rate of "NYC" is limited in its body count to Manhattan. Harlem is not that overwhelming a proportion of Manhattan. What's the homicide rate in the Bronx or the crappier parts of Brooklyn? Higher than "NYC" I would guess.

    Chicago is a spread-out gigantic city, basically the equivalent of all NY boroughs. A much larger proportion of it is poor black ghettoes. Thus, the higher homicide rate is not entirely surprising.

    (Caveat: I'm just writing this without any serious research. It's just my impression based on my years around Chicago and NY.)

    Replies: @Jefferson, @biz

    I assume the homicide rate of “NYC” is limited in its body count to Manhattan.

    Most certainly not. I remember seeing some documentary where they claimed that over half of NYC’s murders were in some shocking small number of square blocks in Brooklyn’s Brownsville neighborhood. Then there’s the Bronx, and the ghetto parts of Queens and Staten Island. Manhattan’s murders, including Harlem, must be minuscule.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @biz

    "Then there’s the Bronx, and the ghetto parts of Queens and Staten Island. Manhattan’s murders, including Harlem, must be minuscule."

    Staten Island has the lowest per capita murder rate out of all the 5 boroughs. Your welcome Italians.

  124. Pro-Trump narratives

    AKA, “reality”

    converge in one awful attack streamed on Facebook

    “White man kidnapped, gagged, beaten by racist black anti-Trump gang.”

    Or as it’s called in Chicago, “Tuesday”.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Almost Missouri

    "AKA, “reality”

    AKA hate facts.

    "Or as it’s called in Chicago, “Tuesday”.

    I bet if you exclude the rest of Chicago and only include the Southside, it most likely has Central America level per capita murder rate.

  125. @Harry Baldwin
    @Simon

    I read a lot of old crime reports in the course of some research I did years ago. They contradict some myths you occasionally hear expressed today. One is that years ago, blacks were so intimidated by then-racist whites that their criminality was kept in line. Another is that blacks were reasonably law-abiding before Great Society programs destroyed the black family. (I've heard conservatives claim that before 1960s liberalism, black marriage rates were higher than those of whites.) Neither is true.

    Replies: @Detective Club, @Corvinus

    William Faulkner, the great Southern novelist who won the Nobel Prize for Literature, portrayed many characters and frequent situations, which highlighted how crime-prone and disorganized Negroes in the South had been since 1865 (Faulkner also had very little to say that was complimentary about Southern Jews, too).

    Funny how things work out. Higher institutions of learning no longer teach Faulkner anymore. He probably was a bad novelist after all. He must’ve gotten famous and was widely read once upon a time because White Privilege and you know how that works, Whitey!

  126. anon • Disclaimer says:

    in one awful attack

    filthy lying media

    I personally know of attacks like that going back over a period of 40 years – they are what has driven 50 years of white flight

    the filthy lying media either don’t report them at all or downplay them but with the internet the filthy lying media can’t cover it up because the perpetrators put the videos online themselves

    and the filthy lying media know it’s true because social media sites have to keep taking down the rapes and beatings recorded and uploaded by gangbangers to sites like youtube

  127. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @JerryC
    One thing I don't get (even though I knew it would happen) is the bizarre resistance to calling this a hate crime from the Chicago authorities and the media. I mean, it couldn't be more obvious that the whole thing was motivated by racial animus - it was all right there on the video. Why not just call it what it obviously was and move on? The fact that they resisted calling it a hate crime in the face of such obvious evidence made the story even bigger than it otherwise would have been.

    What are they afraid of? Is there something that happens if they admit that blacks can commit hate crimes? I truly don't understand what's going on here.

    Replies: @Amasius, @anonymous, @anon, @Jim Don Bob, @ben tillman, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    One thing I don’t get (even though I knew it would happen) is the bizarre resistance to calling this a hate crime from the Chicago authorities and the media.

    Amasius has it – the dominant culture is a house of cards held up by “the narrative” and part of the narrative – taught in sociology classes everywhere – is only white people can be racist.

    The narrative is almost 100% lies and so any slip up could bring it all down.

  128. @Mr. Blank
    Seriously, though: That has to be one of the most embarrassing articles I've ever read. It's basically, "there's no way we can report this straight without making the Left look bad, so ... hey, look! Trump supporters! Since they're all worked up, there must be SOMETHING racist about it! Racist racist racist! KKK and lynchings!"

    Replies: @anon

    The general pattern is

    1) white people do something bad to non-white people
    -> bad white people

    2) non-white people do something bad to white people
    -> white people do it too
    -> bad white people

    the narrative requires all sin is white sin

    • Replies: @Achmed E Newman
    @anon

    That's a great summation of their logic*, Mr. Anon.

    * that is, if they are truly stupid; some are not so your words represent their path of misdirection.

    evil/stupid - I don't like either one.

    Replies: @anon

  129. @JerryC
    One thing I don't get (even though I knew it would happen) is the bizarre resistance to calling this a hate crime from the Chicago authorities and the media. I mean, it couldn't be more obvious that the whole thing was motivated by racial animus - it was all right there on the video. Why not just call it what it obviously was and move on? The fact that they resisted calling it a hate crime in the face of such obvious evidence made the story even bigger than it otherwise would have been.

    What are they afraid of? Is there something that happens if they admit that blacks can commit hate crimes? I truly don't understand what's going on here.

    Replies: @Amasius, @anonymous, @anon, @Jim Don Bob, @ben tillman, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Hate crimes are punishing thought. If I hit a black guy with a 2×4 and break his arm, that’s assault. If I yell “stupid n****r” while hitting him, his arm is still broken and it’s still assault. The only difference is what I said. So it is the words that are the hate crime, not the assault itself. Truly Orwellian.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Jim Don Bob

    Jared Taylor argues that interracial violent crimes should be punished more severely than intraracial ones because they harm American society more. The justice system shouldn't worry about whether the crime was motivated by hate, just whether the victim was of a different race.

    Interesting idea.

    Replies: @Achmed E Newman

    , @guest
    @Jim Don Bob

    My problem with hate crimes isn't that they punish thought persay. We already do that with intent, among other things. My problem is that it makes motive an element of crime, which is shouldn't be.

    Really, it's a roundabout way of making protected classes. Like how in the olden days a pauper would get it worse for striking a Lord than a fellow pauper. But they can't admit that, because Equality.

    Replies: @res

  130. @Clyde
    @JohnnyWalker123


    The standard of living has collapsed for a large percentage of blue collar whites, especially those in the rustbelt.
     
    The term Rustbelt is useful but applies to whites across America. Of course some states being impacted more. Probably track meth and heroin use to find where in America the blow to white male egos is the worst. Useful work being a large part of this ego, being just another name for self-regard.
    Problem with gov't welfare, rent, medical subsidies for "family" is they are funneled though the woman/now the family provider via gov't/ so the man becomes the orbiter instead of the traditional other way around.

    Replies: @anon

    yes – a lot of it is related to pride – the prideless think welfare is great

  131. @JerryC
    One thing I don't get (even though I knew it would happen) is the bizarre resistance to calling this a hate crime from the Chicago authorities and the media. I mean, it couldn't be more obvious that the whole thing was motivated by racial animus - it was all right there on the video. Why not just call it what it obviously was and move on? The fact that they resisted calling it a hate crime in the face of such obvious evidence made the story even bigger than it otherwise would have been.

    What are they afraid of? Is there something that happens if they admit that blacks can commit hate crimes? I truly don't understand what's going on here.

    Replies: @Amasius, @anonymous, @anon, @Jim Don Bob, @ben tillman, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    What are they afraid of? Is there something that happens if they admit that blacks can commit hate crimes? I truly don’t understand what’s going on here.

    It’s propping up a lie to maintain a false consciousness — it’s straight out of Gramsci.

    Whites are the oppressor race; all other races are victim races. This concept is embedded in the ultra-racist term “reverse discrimination”, as Svigor pointed out. The entire anti-White project relies on the propagation of a false consciousness of collective White moral blameworthiness:

    http://www.unz.org/Pub/OccidentalQuarterly-2002q2-00009

    Europeans are thus exactly the sort of groups modeled by this research: They are groups with high levels of cooperation with strangers rather than with extended family members, and they are prone to market relations and individualism.

    This suggests the fascinating possibility that the key for a group intending to turn Europeans against themselves is to trigger their strong tendency toward altruistic punishment by convincing them of the moral blameworthiness of their own people. Because Europeans are individualists at heart, they readily rise up in moral anger against their own people once they are seen as free riders and therefore morally blameworthy—a manifestation of their stronger tendency toward altruistic punishment deriving from their evolutionary past as hunter gatherers. In making judgments of altruistic punishment, relative genetic distance is irrelevant. Free-riders are seen as strangers in a market situation; i.e., they have no familial or tribal connection with the altruistic punisher.

    ***

    Once Europeans were convinced that their own people were morally bankrupt, any and all means of punishment should be used against their own people. Rather than see other Europeans as part of an encompassing ethnic and tribal community, fellow Europeans were seen as morally blameworthy and the appropriate target of altruistic punishment. For Westerners, morality is individualistic—violations of communal norms by free riders are punished by altruistic aggression.

  132. @Harry Baldwin
    @Simon

    I read a lot of old crime reports in the course of some research I did years ago. They contradict some myths you occasionally hear expressed today. One is that years ago, blacks were so intimidated by then-racist whites that their criminality was kept in line. Another is that blacks were reasonably law-abiding before Great Society programs destroyed the black family. (I've heard conservatives claim that before 1960s liberalism, black marriage rates were higher than those of whites.) Neither is true.

    Replies: @Detective Club, @Corvinus

    “I read a lot of old crime reports in the course of some research I did years ago. They contradict some myths you occasionally hear expressed today. One is that years ago, blacks were so intimidated by then-racist whites that their criminality was kept in line. Another is that blacks were reasonably law-abiding before Great Society programs destroyed the black family. (I’ve heard conservatives claim that before 1960s liberalism, black marriage rates were higher than those of whites.) Neither is true.”

    So, where is one able to find these sources? And, what are these exact sources?

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Corvinus

    Sign up for "newspaper archive.com" and go through old papers, reading crime stories. For example, in researching the hunt for Dillinger and the police units and detectives involved, I ended up reading scores of related crime stories.

    , @ATBOTL
    @Corvinus

    Research old books about race relations by liberal social scientists in the 1920's through 1950's, sometimes later. There are hundreds of books like this often about one city or subject. Often, they will factually quote statistics about extreme black overrepresentation in crime or describe anti-white murders, albeit, from a perspective of seeing blacks as victims in a larger sense. Check your local libraries, these books were small run and are not in print.

    Look up information about pre-WWII race riots, about black migrations to northern cities and crime. I've read books like this over the years about the numerous race riots in Chicago, about Detroit in the 1940 and 50's, about the black migration to Cleveland, about black nationalist groups before WWII about black crime and white flight in Dallas Texas in the 1970's etc.

    Search google books for phrases in quotes that are likely to appear in such books like negro militants, racial crime, black migration, white flight, race riot, prison riot, racial tension, race crime, black crime, black power etc. There are hundreds of books with details about this stuff. Try different combinations of words. Check the footnotes.

    Here are a couple of more recent books that have details about less than stellar behavior by blacks far back in time.

    https://www.amazon.com/Promised-Land-Migration-Changed-America/dp/0679733477/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1483742032&sr=1-3&keywords=the+promised+land+chicago

    https://www.amazon.com/All-Gods-Children-American-Tradition/dp/0307280330

    Replies: @David In TN

  133. NOT just beaten. Blasted with a shotgun. The one man who took Denny’s wallet then as HE WALKED AWAY laughingly blasted Reginald as he lay there.

    “Wrong place at the wrong time!!’ They always say that. NO! He had every right to be whee he was at the place and time.

    The colored as shown were looting the liquor store. A prime goal of the colored looter.

  134. @Anonymous
    http://thehill.com/homenews/news/312933-obama-calls-chicago-torture-incident-despicable

    Replies: @res

    President Obama called the beating of a mentally disabled man broadcast on Facebook Live “despicable” but said the incident is not a sign racial tensions are worsening.

    “In part because we see visuals of racial tensions, violence and so forth because of smartphones and the internet … what we have seen as surfacing, I think, are a lot of problems that have been there a long time,” Obama said in an interview with a CBS affiliate in Chicago.

    Where was this measured response when Ferguson was blowing up? Perhaps he should send a memo to BLM.

  135. @Mike Sylwester

    Callum is a journalism master’s degree candidate at Northeastern University. He also works as a freelancer for Boston.com, Patch.com, The Newton TAB and The MetroWest Daily News. Callum recently completed a two-year stint as editor of Citizen’s News, a three-town weekly newspaper based in Naugatuck, Conn., where he won 15 Connecticut Society of Professional Journalism awards. Before Citizen’s News, Callum was a sports correspondent at the Daily News Tribune in Waltham and a general news correspondent at The Medfield Press. His other experience includes time at the North American Sports Network in London, WENY-TV in Elmira, N.Y. and SportsRadio 850 WEEI. Callum is a graduate of Ithaca College. He grew up in Medfield and lives in Medway with his wife, Kate.
     
    https://callumborchers.wordpress.com/about/

    What I want to know is where did he get the name Callum Borchers?

    Replies: @Alec Leamas, @Clyde, @keuril, @William Badwhite

    100% effete dork

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @William Badwhite

    To paraphrase Peggy Noonan, "We are being lectured by our inferiors".

  136. Gingrich might be right about different reactions, but he conveniently ignores the reason. If the attackers had been white and the victim had been black, the incident would have, of course, conjured America’s ugly history of white mobs committing violence against black people. There is no parallel history of the reverse happening on anything remotely approaching the same scale.

    I’ve never seen a more illustrative example of how disconnected the MSM is from reality and huge swaths of the American people. Black-on-white violence and murder have outpaced white-on-black violence and murder over the last half century by such an incredible margin that the 3000 or so blacks lynched by whites was surpassed long, long ago by whites killed by blacks.

    I myself was acquainted with two white people randomly murdered by blacks, yet no white acquaintances have killed blacks. The majority of random murders of whites in my state have been committed by blacks, even though I live in a largely white state.

    • Replies: @anonguy
    @J1234


    by such an incredible margin that the 3000 or so blacks lynched by whites was surpassed long, long ago by whites killed by blacks.
     
    Not to mention that every single year, 10x that number are killed in the USA by the products of the auto industry. By a simple pro rata calc. based upon 13% African-American US population, that is 4000 black lives.

    But cars don't kill people, people do....

  137. This guy was a student just a few years ago. WaPo has to hire recent grads. They work cheap, I guess. Or aren’t critical thinkers. Or will lie or fabricate false liberal narratives to get ahead.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @J1234

    Or all three. Trifecta!

  138. Anonymous [AKA "Park slope lady"] says:

    The very low NYC murder rate is based on all 5 boroughs, including all the black areas of NYC. I would love to hear isteve readers’ theories about why the NYC crime rate is so low.
    It really is a low crime rate. It used to be high and now it is low. We had Republican mayors for 20 years, and it went down, and now we have a flaming liberal mayor, and it has continued to decline, much to the consternation of conservative theorists.

    • Replies: @Dr. X
    @Anonymous


    The very low NYC murder rate is based on all 5 boroughs, including all the black areas of NYC. I would love to hear isteve readers’ theories about why the NYC crime rate is so low.
     
    It's low because New York City is a police state where there are no constitutional rights. The Second Amendment is non-existent, and so is the Fourth Amendment. And New York has one of the most harsh penal systems in the country. They throw violent Negroes into Upstate prisons for very, very long sentences. That way they get to hire more unionized prison guards, whose mandatory dues support the Democratic Party.

    Beyond that, New York is also a welfare state. So the blacks who cannot be suppressed by having cops violate their civil rights are bought off by the promise of generous welfare.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    , @anon
    @Anonymous

    The media enforcers of PC live in New York so they turned a blind eye to the ethnic cleansing of the black population.

    Replies: @E. Rekshun

  139. @biz
    @Laugh Track


    I assume the homicide rate of “NYC” is limited in its body count to Manhattan.
     
    Most certainly not. I remember seeing some documentary where they claimed that over half of NYC's murders were in some shocking small number of square blocks in Brooklyn's Brownsville neighborhood. Then there's the Bronx, and the ghetto parts of Queens and Staten Island. Manhattan's murders, including Harlem, must be minuscule.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “Then there’s the Bronx, and the ghetto parts of Queens and Staten Island. Manhattan’s murders, including Harlem, must be minuscule.”

    Staten Island has the lowest per capita murder rate out of all the 5 boroughs. Your welcome Italians.

  140. @Almost Missouri

    "Pro-Trump narratives"
     
    AKA, "reality"

    "converge in one awful attack streamed on Facebook"
     

    "White man kidnapped, gagged, beaten by racist black anti-Trump gang."
     
    Or as it's called in Chicago, "Tuesday".

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “AKA, “reality”

    AKA hate facts.

    “Or as it’s called in Chicago, “Tuesday”.

    I bet if you exclude the rest of Chicago and only include the Southside, it most likely has Central America level per capita murder rate.

  141. The 4 blacks on 1 retarded white man crime was reported on local TV news here in Austin. Race of perps and victims were identified. A brief clip of the Facebook video was aired.

    When egregious enough, professional journalism kicks in it seems.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Anonymouse

    If something's already gone viral on social media they are forced to cover it or their agenda gets exposed.

  142. I wrote this post a coupla hours ago on my blog once I was incensed enough by the words of this imbecile. I have subsequently read all of the comments. (This could be a full-time job, but I’ve already got a job! )

    Again, wonderful job by Steve in pointing out the utter hypocrisy. The question of whether these fake-media elite/globalist sac-hangars, I mean, reporters really are this stupid or are disingenuous is, to me, like the nature/nurture debate – hard to separate the causes.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    @Achmed E Newman

    It could be described as willful stupidity.

  143. @Steve Sailer
    @Jefferson

    For awhile, the two most omnipresent celebrities in America, Oprah Winfrey and Michael Jordan, lived in Chicago, but that was an anomaly. Most times Chicago is notably lacking in celebrities. It has lots of rich and powerful people in business, but not in the media.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Jack D, @Jasper Been

    If I had the money to live wherever I wanted, I’d prefer Miami over Chicago!

  144. @Thucydides
    Author Borchers is logic challenged. He says that anti-white discrimination is disproven by better statistical outcomes for whites, but there is no necessary connection. Whites might do well in spite of widespread discrimination. Perhaps this nonsense comes from the assumption that worse outcomes for blacks can only be due to discrimination (and not low intelligence, criminal culture, etc.), and therefore better outcomes "prove" absence of discrimination.

    Replies: @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta, @guest

    He’s not logic-challenged, or not especially so. Logic is a weapon, to be used in furtherance of your gang in the who/whom? fight. Just look at the headline. It’s all about “narratives,” not truth, and the “pro-Trump” gang benefiting, which is notable because that’s not the author’s gang. If he were writing about his side, it would be about Common Sense, or whatever.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @guest


    Logic is a weapon, to be used in furtherance of your gang in the who/whom? fight.
     
    No.

    Logic is the vehicle of reasoning, the structure of deduction, the means of inference. Your reductionist agenda of shrinking logic to nothing more than a weapon not only diminishes logic, but its value when properly used by humans. Narrowing the definition of logic, as you have done, makes it nothing more than an instrument of abuse. But logic is a tool for exploration, a means of describing the relationship between antecedent and consequent, a sublime organizational principle.

    You ought to be ashamed of yourself.

    Replies: @guest

  145. @Corvinus
    @Harry Baldwin

    "I read a lot of old crime reports in the course of some research I did years ago. They contradict some myths you occasionally hear expressed today. One is that years ago, blacks were so intimidated by then-racist whites that their criminality was kept in line. Another is that blacks were reasonably law-abiding before Great Society programs destroyed the black family. (I’ve heard conservatives claim that before 1960s liberalism, black marriage rates were higher than those of whites.) Neither is true."

    So, where is one able to find these sources? And, what are these exact sources?

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @ATBOTL

    Sign up for “newspaper archive.com” and go through old papers, reading crime stories. For example, in researching the hunt for Dillinger and the police units and detectives involved, I ended up reading scores of related crime stories.

  146. @Anon
    @David In TN

    If Hollywood makes a movie about this case, it will be about Haven Monahan and his blonde Nazi gang kidnapping and torturing a kindly black graduate who's been accepted to Ivy League school to be a doctor devoting his life to poor kids.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @guest

    I’m sure whatever version of Law and Order is still on the air is , already hard at work.

  147. @AnotherGuessModel
    Another prominent video released about a day ago. 0:20 or - 1:30

    https://www.facebook.com/HumanityforProgress/videos/425138694493255/

    Replies: @WowJustWow, @CK

    What a marvelous video; I had to learn more and so I did:
    The narrators were: 2 Activists, 5 actors, 2 writers, 5 Religious folk, 1 designer, 2 tv news people, 1 person from a labour union and a half owner of a basketball teamfrom NYC.
    Missing were any producers of goods or services, any producers of science or engineering or technology, any mathematicians, any working stiffs, anyone remotely necessary for the successful functioning of a nation.
    The video was a wee bit condescending too.

  148. “Provocative” is the new “controversial.” When I started reading the News and Feature sections of newspapers, rather than just the Sports section, around 1969-1972, “controversial” was used as praise and “provocative” meant “hubba-hubba, you’re going to want to check this out.”

    Now both words imply deplorable, low class, Aryan Nation prison gang-level lack of respectability.

    —————————————–

    On a similar note, we no longer see the term “irreverent” all the time.

  149. @Corvinus
    @Harry Baldwin

    "I read a lot of old crime reports in the course of some research I did years ago. They contradict some myths you occasionally hear expressed today. One is that years ago, blacks were so intimidated by then-racist whites that their criminality was kept in line. Another is that blacks were reasonably law-abiding before Great Society programs destroyed the black family. (I’ve heard conservatives claim that before 1960s liberalism, black marriage rates were higher than those of whites.) Neither is true."

    So, where is one able to find these sources? And, what are these exact sources?

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @ATBOTL

    Research old books about race relations by liberal social scientists in the 1920’s through 1950’s, sometimes later. There are hundreds of books like this often about one city or subject. Often, they will factually quote statistics about extreme black overrepresentation in crime or describe anti-white murders, albeit, from a perspective of seeing blacks as victims in a larger sense. Check your local libraries, these books were small run and are not in print.

    Look up information about pre-WWII race riots, about black migrations to northern cities and crime. I’ve read books like this over the years about the numerous race riots in Chicago, about Detroit in the 1940 and 50’s, about the black migration to Cleveland, about black nationalist groups before WWII about black crime and white flight in Dallas Texas in the 1970’s etc.

    Search google books for phrases in quotes that are likely to appear in such books like negro militants, racial crime, black migration, white flight, race riot, prison riot, racial tension, race crime, black crime, black power etc. There are hundreds of books with details about this stuff. Try different combinations of words. Check the footnotes.

    Here are a couple of more recent books that have details about less than stellar behavior by blacks far back in time.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    @ATBOTL

    Yes, from these sources it is evident black on white murder was more common than the reverse pre-1960.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  150. Yes, his prose is superb. It’s dispassionate and lucid even when he is writing about the most terrible things.

    I have no idea where Padrone Unz sees himself on the Aspie spectrum, but this did bring to mind an O/T piece of iStevey news I saw recently:
    http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/meet-amazing-american-rhodes-scholar-autism-n703351
    Disability Pokemon points for nerds?

  151. @Jim Don Bob
    @JerryC

    Hate crimes are punishing thought. If I hit a black guy with a 2x4 and break his arm, that's assault. If I yell "stupid n****r" while hitting him, his arm is still broken and it's still assault. The only difference is what I said. So it is the words that are the hate crime, not the assault itself. Truly Orwellian.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @guest

    Jared Taylor argues that interracial violent crimes should be punished more severely than intraracial ones because they harm American society more. The justice system shouldn’t worry about whether the crime was motivated by hate, just whether the victim was of a different race.

    Interesting idea.

    • Replies: @Achmed E Newman
    @Steve Sailer

    Yeah, interesting idea, but unconstitutional as all hell. I agree with Jim Don Bob - nice example with the 2x4's.

    Replies: @guest

  152. @anonguy
    @Jefferson


    Chicago is still part of The Big Five.
     
    I've never, ever even slightly understood the appeal of the place. The extremely few times I've been there, just seems like a bigger Kansas City or St. Louis, an utterly charmless place situated in some forgettable location in the middle of the Great American Steppe.

    I don't care how big the shallow, muddy lake situated nearby is. No freshwater lake provides first class aquatic or beach experiences by definition as well as by all the weird bacterial infections they seem to breed for starters.

    And world class cities have terrain or have it very close nearby. Only unimaginative people can be content living on a steppe or plain.

    There are many, many more reasons why it is a second class city with pretensions to greatness but why further kick a dead horse. The only thing of any interest that has ever come out of the place are Capone and various Prohibition mobsters.

    Oh yeah, and being the setting for The Devil In The White City, but that was just coincidental, the book would have been interesting anywhere the events happened and probably more interesting in a real world class city.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Desiderius, @slumber_j

    Chicago is the only 2 team MLB city that kept the 2 teams from the pre-WWW2 era. Also, we have the U of C, Northwestern, and an extensive legacy rapid transit system with major modern extensions. Not another NY, LA or SF, but not another StL or KC either. Oh, I forgot to mention we have a stock exchange and two commodities exchanges.

  153. @Kyle McKenna
    @Jefferson


    Chicago is one of the playgrounds of the 1 percent.
     
    Oh yeah! The glitterati come for the water skiing on Lake Michigan in January.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    We have, and have had, our own gliteratti. Check out Penny Pritzker, Milton Friedman, Enrico Fermi, Nelson Algren, Hemingway, Adlai Stevenson, Robert Maynard Hutchens, James T. Farrell, Mohammed Ali, Bill Veeck, Theo Epstein, Oprah, the Marshall Field family, etc.

  154. @Jefferson
    @JerryC

    "This is pure question-begging, since they assume from the start that all those differences in outcomes -from life expectancy to school discipline to mortgage rejection to police use of force – are driven by racial discrimination. What if they’re not?"

    I read that African immigrants in Guangzhou often get in trouble with Chinese law enforcement because of their shady business scams. Is that driven by racial discrimination as well even though Chinese people are not capable of being racists, only White folks can be racist using Left Wing logic.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    As time goes on, East Asians are more and more “honorary whites.”

  155. @Joe Franklin
    The Chicago black gang attack on a disabled white man illustrates again that there is no such thing as federal hate speech crime charges levied on blacks for attacking whites.

    Federal hate speech crime prosecutions are a one way street, prosecuted exclusively in favor of diversity people.

    The hate speech crime charges levied are merely local and whimsical.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Hibernian

    The perps have a court date at the George N. Leighton courthouse which I believe is a Federal courthouse.

  156. @Anonymous
    The very low NYC murder rate is based on all 5 boroughs, including all the black areas of NYC. I would love to hear isteve readers' theories about why the NYC crime rate is so low.
    It really is a low crime rate. It used to be high and now it is low. We had Republican mayors for 20 years, and it went down, and now we have a flaming liberal mayor, and it has continued to decline, much to the consternation of conservative theorists.

    Replies: @Dr. X, @anon

    The very low NYC murder rate is based on all 5 boroughs, including all the black areas of NYC. I would love to hear isteve readers’ theories about why the NYC crime rate is so low.

    It’s low because New York City is a police state where there are no constitutional rights. The Second Amendment is non-existent, and so is the Fourth Amendment. And New York has one of the most harsh penal systems in the country. They throw violent Negroes into Upstate prisons for very, very long sentences. That way they get to hire more unionized prison guards, whose mandatory dues support the Democratic Party.

    Beyond that, New York is also a welfare state. So the blacks who cannot be suppressed by having cops violate their civil rights are bought off by the promise of generous welfare.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Dr. X

    "It’s low because New York City is a police state where there are no constitutional rights. The Second Amendment is non-existent,"

    The Second Amendment is also non-existent in Chicago, yet that city is still significantly more violent than New York City.

    "Beyond that, New York is also a welfare state. So the blacks who cannot be suppressed by having cops violate their civil rights are bought off by the promise of generous welfare."

    Chicago is also an extremely generous welfare state, but that has not been a deterrent for out of control Black crime in Chicago.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  157. @anon
    @Mr. Blank

    The general pattern is

    1) white people do something bad to non-white people
    -> bad white people

    2) non-white people do something bad to white people
    -> white people do it too
    -> bad white people

    the narrative requires all sin is white sin

    Replies: @Achmed E Newman

    That’s a great summation of their logic*, Mr. Anon.

    * that is, if they are truly stupid; some are not so your words represent their path of misdirection.

    evil/stupid – I don’t like either one.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Achmed E Newman

    both imo

    the evil ones con the stupid/unthinking ones into parroting the same lines

    (i've had some success red-pilling decent-but-conned people with that formulation)

    Replies: @Achmed E Newman

  158. @Steve Sailer
    @Jim Don Bob

    Jared Taylor argues that interracial violent crimes should be punished more severely than intraracial ones because they harm American society more. The justice system shouldn't worry about whether the crime was motivated by hate, just whether the victim was of a different race.

    Interesting idea.

    Replies: @Achmed E Newman

    Yeah, interesting idea, but unconstitutional as all hell. I agree with Jim Don Bob – nice example with the 2×4’s.

    • Replies: @guest
    @Achmed E Newman

    What is this constitution of which you speak?

    Replies: @Achmed E Newman

  159. @Mr. Blank

    There is no parallel history of the reverse happening on anything remotely approaching the same scale.
     
    Does he really want to plant that flag? Because that seems like something that would not be hard to check.

    Oh, I'm sure you could fudge the numbers, counting EVERY attack by a group of white people on a black person as a hate crime, regardless of motive, but counting attacks by groups of black people ONLY if the attackers explicitly state that the attack is motivated by race hatred. I still don't think that would get you within spitting distance of an accurate statement.

    Maybe you could make that claim work if you stopped counting at, say, 1960, which is what I suspect the writer really meant. Because that's what they always mean, right? You're just supposed to mentally add in that qualifier; they shouldn't have to stop and explain it to you, you racist haters. After all, 1960 was, what ... five years ago?

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Bill Jones, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Maybe you could make that claim work if you stopped counting at, say, 1960

    Except that the black family in 1960 was in far better shape than any decadal checkpoint since then. As the health of the family is inversely proportional to social pathology, degrading the family (a Leftist organizing principle) results in exactly the problems we see today. Leftism shows that human stupidity knows no bounds.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Charles Erwin Wilson


    Except that the black family in 1960 was in far better shape than any decadal checkpoint since then.
     
    Yep. It doesn't matter if the black family in 1960 was far from perfect, or if there was a considerable degree of dysfunction in black communities. What can't be denied is that things are much much worse in both respects today.

    Degrading the family has been part of it. The failure to win the war on drugs (assuming the government ever had the slightest intention of winning it) has been another huge factor.
  160. @JerryC
    One thing I don't get (even though I knew it would happen) is the bizarre resistance to calling this a hate crime from the Chicago authorities and the media. I mean, it couldn't be more obvious that the whole thing was motivated by racial animus - it was all right there on the video. Why not just call it what it obviously was and move on? The fact that they resisted calling it a hate crime in the face of such obvious evidence made the story even bigger than it otherwise would have been.

    What are they afraid of? Is there something that happens if they admit that blacks can commit hate crimes? I truly don't understand what's going on here.

    Replies: @Amasius, @anonymous, @anon, @Jim Don Bob, @ben tillman, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    I truly don’t understand what’s going on here.

    It is the Big Lie. It is where Marx, Lenin, Hitler, Howard Zinn and Noam Chomsky intersect. Totalitarian ideology is built on dishonesty. It is why the Left denies that there is truth.

  161. @JohnnyWalker123
    Chicago has 7x the homicide rate of NYC. There's a lot of room for improvement.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Chicago has 7x the homicide rate of NYC. There’s a lot of room for improvement.

    De Blasio is working on that. It may be difficult, but in the interest of equality I am sure De Blasio can bring the NYC murder rate back up to the level of Dinkins-era achievement.

  162. @Daniel Chieh
    @Dr. X

    I honestly thought this was a HuffPo piece based on that stupid intersection word alone. It surprised me that it was actually WaPo. God damn it.

    Replies: @Frau Katze

    WaPo seems to be going downhill. They’re worse than NYT.

    Of course NYT could catch up.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @Frau Katze

    Out of curiousity, is Frau Katze a reference to anything or just a way to spell "Mrs. Cat?"

    Replies: @Frau Katze

  163. @guest
    @Thucydides

    He's not logic-challenged, or not especially so. Logic is a weapon, to be used in furtherance of your gang in the who/whom? fight. Just look at the headline. It's all about "narratives," not truth, and the "pro-Trump" gang benefiting, which is notable because that's not the author's gang. If he were writing about his side, it would be about Common Sense, or whatever.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Logic is a weapon, to be used in furtherance of your gang in the who/whom? fight.

    No.

    Logic is the vehicle of reasoning, the structure of deduction, the means of inference. Your reductionist agenda of shrinking logic to nothing more than a weapon not only diminishes logic, but its value when properly used by humans. Narrowing the definition of logic, as you have done, makes it nothing more than an instrument of abuse. But logic is a tool for exploration, a means of describing the relationship between antecedent and consequent, a sublime organizational principle.

    You ought to be ashamed of yourself.

    • Replies: @guest
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    I didn't reduce anything. It was a metaphor. Lighten up.

    You oughtta be ashamed of yourself for saying logic is merely a vehicle. It's so much more. What would your momma say?

  164. @anonguy
    @Jefferson


    Chicago is still part of The Big Five.
     
    I've never, ever even slightly understood the appeal of the place. The extremely few times I've been there, just seems like a bigger Kansas City or St. Louis, an utterly charmless place situated in some forgettable location in the middle of the Great American Steppe.

    I don't care how big the shallow, muddy lake situated nearby is. No freshwater lake provides first class aquatic or beach experiences by definition as well as by all the weird bacterial infections they seem to breed for starters.

    And world class cities have terrain or have it very close nearby. Only unimaginative people can be content living on a steppe or plain.

    There are many, many more reasons why it is a second class city with pretensions to greatness but why further kick a dead horse. The only thing of any interest that has ever come out of the place are Capone and various Prohibition mobsters.

    Oh yeah, and being the setting for The Devil In The White City, but that was just coincidental, the book would have been interesting anywhere the events happened and probably more interesting in a real world class city.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Desiderius, @slumber_j

    Chicago was the brain-drain destination of choice for Appalachia*/the Midwest from around the 40s to the 90s. It was the closest world-class city where you could still feel somewhat connected to your Midwestish roots if you wanted that. There’s still some dork-drain (who often want nothing at all to do with Midwest roots) and residual babe-drain, but I get the sense that more of the best and brightest are sticking around their hometowns.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Desiderius

    Callum Borchers being a prime example of the high quality end-product of the 00's dork-drain.

  165. @J1234

    Gingrich might be right about different reactions, but he conveniently ignores the reason. If the attackers had been white and the victim had been black, the incident would have, of course, conjured America’s ugly history of white mobs committing violence against black people. There is no parallel history of the reverse happening on anything remotely approaching the same scale.
     
    I've never seen a more illustrative example of how disconnected the MSM is from reality and huge swaths of the American people. Black-on-white violence and murder have outpaced white-on-black violence and murder over the last half century by such an incredible margin that the 3000 or so blacks lynched by whites was surpassed long, long ago by whites killed by blacks.

    I myself was acquainted with two white people randomly murdered by blacks, yet no white acquaintances have killed blacks. The majority of random murders of whites in my state have been committed by blacks, even though I live in a largely white state.

    Replies: @anonguy

    by such an incredible margin that the 3000 or so blacks lynched by whites was surpassed long, long ago by whites killed by blacks.

    Not to mention that every single year, 10x that number are killed in the USA by the products of the auto industry. By a simple pro rata calc. based upon 13% African-American US population, that is 4000 black lives.

    But cars don’t kill people, people do….

  166. @Jim Don Bob
    @JerryC

    Hate crimes are punishing thought. If I hit a black guy with a 2x4 and break his arm, that's assault. If I yell "stupid n****r" while hitting him, his arm is still broken and it's still assault. The only difference is what I said. So it is the words that are the hate crime, not the assault itself. Truly Orwellian.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @guest

    My problem with hate crimes isn’t that they punish thought persay. We already do that with intent, among other things. My problem is that it makes motive an element of crime, which is shouldn’t be.

    Really, it’s a roundabout way of making protected classes. Like how in the olden days a pauper would get it worse for striking a Lord than a fellow pauper. But they can’t admit that, because Equality.

    • Replies: @res
    @guest

    It's funny how the result of so much of the equality rhetoric is to diminish things like "equality under the law." Affirmative action and (the reality of) hate crime laws being two of the best examples.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Almost Missouri

  167. The life outcome of various demographic groups in America reliably corresponds to their IQs, and African Americans have the lowest average IQ of any group, 85.

    IQ is malleable to some extent, plus or minus 12-15 points due to environmental factors. However, African blacks have IQs in the mid-60s. It may be that their natural abilities have already reached whatever level can be attained by exposure to the advantages of a more advanced society. If this is true, the situation is unlikely to improve further.

  168. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @guest


    Logic is a weapon, to be used in furtherance of your gang in the who/whom? fight.
     
    No.

    Logic is the vehicle of reasoning, the structure of deduction, the means of inference. Your reductionist agenda of shrinking logic to nothing more than a weapon not only diminishes logic, but its value when properly used by humans. Narrowing the definition of logic, as you have done, makes it nothing more than an instrument of abuse. But logic is a tool for exploration, a means of describing the relationship between antecedent and consequent, a sublime organizational principle.

    You ought to be ashamed of yourself.

    Replies: @guest

    I didn’t reduce anything. It was a metaphor. Lighten up.

    You oughtta be ashamed of yourself for saying logic is merely a vehicle. It’s so much more. What would your momma say?

  169. @Achmed E Newman
    @Steve Sailer

    Yeah, interesting idea, but unconstitutional as all hell. I agree with Jim Don Bob - nice example with the 2x4's.

    Replies: @guest

    What is this constitution of which you speak?

    • Replies: @Achmed E Newman
    @guest

    Yeah, I feel your pain. The conservatives and the alt-right give libertarians a lot of grief, and it's rightful when directed at the Reason goofballs. However, the conservatives and alt-right could learn a bit about why this country is so dicked-up from real libertarians/constitutionalists. I wanted to send VDare a column about that, but I'll just put it in my blog at some point.

    Have a good morning.

  170. @guest
    @Achmed E Newman

    What is this constitution of which you speak?

    Replies: @Achmed E Newman

    Yeah, I feel your pain. The conservatives and the alt-right give libertarians a lot of grief, and it’s rightful when directed at the Reason goofballs. However, the conservatives and alt-right could learn a bit about why this country is so dicked-up from real libertarians/constitutionalists. I wanted to send VDare a column about that, but I’ll just put it in my blog at some point.

    Have a good morning.

  171. @guest
    @Jim Don Bob

    My problem with hate crimes isn't that they punish thought persay. We already do that with intent, among other things. My problem is that it makes motive an element of crime, which is shouldn't be.

    Really, it's a roundabout way of making protected classes. Like how in the olden days a pauper would get it worse for striking a Lord than a fellow pauper. But they can't admit that, because Equality.

    Replies: @res

    It’s funny how the result of so much of the equality rhetoric is to diminish things like “equality under the law.” Affirmative action and (the reality of) hate crime laws being two of the best examples.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @res

    The cui of that bono ain't hard to see. Annnd, what do you know, they're the ones scratching the checks to push it.

    , @Almost Missouri
    @res

    Orwell foresaw this (and forewarned us.) Ministry of Truth = ministry of propaganda, etc.

    Today, I would say the two biggest nomenclature lies are:

    Civil Rights = unequal advantages for blacks

    Human Rights = unequal advantages for foreigners

    Actual civil rights and human rights are inevitably casualties.

  172. @Anonymous
    The very low NYC murder rate is based on all 5 boroughs, including all the black areas of NYC. I would love to hear isteve readers' theories about why the NYC crime rate is so low.
    It really is a low crime rate. It used to be high and now it is low. We had Republican mayors for 20 years, and it went down, and now we have a flaming liberal mayor, and it has continued to decline, much to the consternation of conservative theorists.

    Replies: @Dr. X, @anon

    The media enforcers of PC live in New York so they turned a blind eye to the ethnic cleansing of the black population.

    • Replies: @E. Rekshun
    @anon

    The media enforcers of PC live in New York so they turned a blind eye to the ethnic cleansing of the black population.

    But it wasn't actual "ethnic cleansing," the blacks just relocated their dysfunction and mayhem elsewhere.

  173. @Anonymouse
    The 4 blacks on 1 retarded white man crime was reported on local TV news here in Austin. Race of perps and victims were identified. A brief clip of the Facebook video was aired.

    When egregious enough, professional journalism kicks in it seems.

    Replies: @anon

    If something’s already gone viral on social media they are forced to cover it or their agenda gets exposed.

  174. @Achmed E Newman
    @anon

    That's a great summation of their logic*, Mr. Anon.

    * that is, if they are truly stupid; some are not so your words represent their path of misdirection.

    evil/stupid - I don't like either one.

    Replies: @anon

    both imo

    the evil ones con the stupid/unthinking ones into parroting the same lines

    (i’ve had some success red-pilling decent-but-conned people with that formulation)

    • Replies: @Achmed E Newman
    @anon

    Yep, I was gonna write that on my blog sometime too, what you said.

    The Globalist/Leftist Org. Chart:

    * The Evil ones are in upper management.
    * The Stupid ones are on the plant floor, in the cubes and out in the field, doing cough, service calls, cough cough.
    * On the 2nd floors of the plants and in the corner offices are the ones that are both stupid and evil - we call them "Good morning, Senator Grahmnesty".

  175. @William Badwhite
    @Mike Sylwester

    https://twitter.com/willmenaker/status/730755833299079168

    100% effete dork

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    To paraphrase Peggy Noonan, “We are being lectured by our inferiors”.

  176. @J1234
    This guy was a student just a few years ago. WaPo has to hire recent grads. They work cheap, I guess. Or aren't critical thinkers. Or will lie or fabricate false liberal narratives to get ahead.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZj6y2nPkuI

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Or all three. Trifecta!

  177. @anon
    @Achmed E Newman

    both imo

    the evil ones con the stupid/unthinking ones into parroting the same lines

    (i've had some success red-pilling decent-but-conned people with that formulation)

    Replies: @Achmed E Newman

    Yep, I was gonna write that on my blog sometime too, what you said.

    The Globalist/Leftist Org. Chart:

    * The Evil ones are in upper management.
    * The Stupid ones are on the plant floor, in the cubes and out in the field, doing cough, service calls, cough cough.
    * On the 2nd floors of the plants and in the corner offices are the ones that are both stupid and evil – we call them “Good morning, Senator Grahmnesty”.

  178. @Desiderius
    @anonguy

    Chicago was the brain-drain destination of choice for Appalachia*/the Midwest from around the 40s to the 90s. It was the closest world-class city where you could still feel somewhat connected to your Midwestish roots if you wanted that. There's still some dork-drain (who often want nothing at all to do with Midwest roots) and residual babe-drain, but I get the sense that more of the best and brightest are sticking around their hometowns.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    Callum Borchers being a prime example of the high quality end-product of the 00’s dork-drain.

  179. @anon
    @Anonymous

    The media enforcers of PC live in New York so they turned a blind eye to the ethnic cleansing of the black population.

    Replies: @E. Rekshun

    The media enforcers of PC live in New York so they turned a blind eye to the ethnic cleansing of the black population.

    But it wasn’t actual “ethnic cleansing,” the blacks just relocated their dysfunction and mayhem elsewhere.

  180. @Frau Katze
    @Daniel Chieh

    WaPo seems to be going downhill. They're worse than NYT.

    Of course NYT could catch up.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh

    Out of curiousity, is Frau Katze a reference to anything or just a way to spell “Mrs. Cat?”

    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    @Daniel Chieh

    I used to be a political blogger (on a site in Canada).

    I needed a pseudonym: it seemed "cute" and I like cats plus I have no connection to Germany so it would not be what someone would guess.

    I have retired from work already so the greatest need for a pseudonym has been removed. People posting controversial stuff on, say their Facebook page using their real have been fired: yes, there are cases like that (especially in Canada, which has no guarantee about free speech).

    But I found blogging too time-consuming and depressing. Nevertheless I have used the pseudonym widely.

    I have grown children and nieces and nephews that might not agree with my ideas. I prefer NOT to start family fights. I also have long time friends (like for 5o years) who may not agree either.

    I know that some agree and some don't (just from talking to them).

    Lots of people here have bizarre pseudonyms: I am just one more.

  181. @anonguy
    @Jefferson


    Chicago is still part of The Big Five.
     
    I've never, ever even slightly understood the appeal of the place. The extremely few times I've been there, just seems like a bigger Kansas City or St. Louis, an utterly charmless place situated in some forgettable location in the middle of the Great American Steppe.

    I don't care how big the shallow, muddy lake situated nearby is. No freshwater lake provides first class aquatic or beach experiences by definition as well as by all the weird bacterial infections they seem to breed for starters.

    And world class cities have terrain or have it very close nearby. Only unimaginative people can be content living on a steppe or plain.

    There are many, many more reasons why it is a second class city with pretensions to greatness but why further kick a dead horse. The only thing of any interest that has ever come out of the place are Capone and various Prohibition mobsters.

    Oh yeah, and being the setting for The Devil In The White City, but that was just coincidental, the book would have been interesting anywhere the events happened and probably more interesting in a real world class city.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Desiderius, @slumber_j

    The only thing of any interest that has ever come out of the place are Capone and various Prohibition mobsters.

    Mobsters are interesting?

    I would have suggested instead the development of 20th c. architecture. For example.

    • Replies: @Anotheranon
    @slumber_j

    Yeah, the post you're responding to is a good example of the kind of Chicago ignorance that one frequently gets from certain folks.

    Whether you "understand the appeal of the place" or not, it's one of the cities that has defined the modern world. Above all in architecture and industry, but it's a place with a strong cultural edge as well. We're all living in a Chicago-created world, to a certain extent.

    Some Chicago innovations:

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/bluesky/series/chicago-innovations/

    And in intellectual life, "Chicago School" is a term with various meanings:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_school

    Replies: @anonguy, @anonguy

    , @Steve Sailer
    @slumber_j

    My dad grew up on a block in Oak Park with maybe a dozen Frank Lloyd Wright Prairie Style houses within 200 yards.

    And Ernest Hemingway left Oak Park about the time my father was born.

    , @Achmed E Newman
    @slumber_j

    During the mid 1980's there was a famous ____ anyone?, anyone? ...
    .... movie that was set in _____ anyone?, anyone? ....
    .... Chicago, starring Mathew ______ anyone? ....
    .... anyone?, .... anyone? ....
    .... Broderick called anyone, anyone? .....
    Bueller?

    Replies: @anonguy

    , @Almost Missouri
    @slumber_j

    Most contemporary American comedy comes out of the Second City night club on North Wells Street, either directly as former players or indirectly as influence.

    Indeed, the Chicago theater scene in general could be considered the R&D department of modern American theater.

  182. @Achmed E Newman
    I wrote this post a coupla hours ago on my blog once I was incensed enough by the words of this imbecile. I have subsequently read all of the comments. (This could be a full-time job, but I've already got a job! )

    Again, wonderful job by Steve in pointing out the utter hypocrisy. The question of whether these fake-media elite/globalist sac-hangars, I mean, reporters really are this stupid or are disingenuous is, to me, like the nature/nurture debate - hard to separate the causes.

    Replies: @David In TN

    It could be described as willful stupidity.

  183. @ATBOTL
    @Corvinus

    Research old books about race relations by liberal social scientists in the 1920's through 1950's, sometimes later. There are hundreds of books like this often about one city or subject. Often, they will factually quote statistics about extreme black overrepresentation in crime or describe anti-white murders, albeit, from a perspective of seeing blacks as victims in a larger sense. Check your local libraries, these books were small run and are not in print.

    Look up information about pre-WWII race riots, about black migrations to northern cities and crime. I've read books like this over the years about the numerous race riots in Chicago, about Detroit in the 1940 and 50's, about the black migration to Cleveland, about black nationalist groups before WWII about black crime and white flight in Dallas Texas in the 1970's etc.

    Search google books for phrases in quotes that are likely to appear in such books like negro militants, racial crime, black migration, white flight, race riot, prison riot, racial tension, race crime, black crime, black power etc. There are hundreds of books with details about this stuff. Try different combinations of words. Check the footnotes.

    Here are a couple of more recent books that have details about less than stellar behavior by blacks far back in time.

    https://www.amazon.com/Promised-Land-Migration-Changed-America/dp/0679733477/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1483742032&sr=1-3&keywords=the+promised+land+chicago

    https://www.amazon.com/All-Gods-Children-American-Tradition/dp/0307280330

    Replies: @David In TN

    Yes, from these sources it is evident black on white murder was more common than the reverse pre-1960.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @David In TN

    All ATBOTL provided were places to find those sources, not the actual sources themselves that drew these conclusions. Moreover, "The Promised Land" offers a detailed account of the factors which caused black poverty and crime rather than exclusively pointing the finger at this group for their "dysfunction".

    Replies: @David In TN

  184. Reading Wapo now is like reading Pravda in 1970. All it tells you is whatever message the elites are currently pushing. All the spin that’s fit to print.

    We should call it “Washington Pravda”.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Young Tom

    The Washington Post has been known as Pravda on the Potomac for some years now. In the mid-90s, they bought out all their old reporters, Kornheiser, Wilbon, Bob Levy, etc.. and replaced them with j-school grads with hyphenated last names and now d********s like Collum Borchers. Their liberal big government bias has always been there, but DJT (PBUH) really drove them around the bend.

    I doubt the paper makes any money; maybe Bezos saw what a good media insurance policy the NYT has been for Carlos Slim and decided to do the same. It's not like 250 Large is a lot of money to him.

  185. @slumber_j
    @anonguy


    The only thing of any interest that has ever come out of the place are Capone and various Prohibition mobsters.
     
    Mobsters are interesting?

    I would have suggested instead the development of 20th c. architecture. For example.

    Replies: @Anotheranon, @Steve Sailer, @Achmed E Newman, @Almost Missouri

    Yeah, the post you’re responding to is a good example of the kind of Chicago ignorance that one frequently gets from certain folks.

    Whether you “understand the appeal of the place” or not, it’s one of the cities that has defined the modern world. Above all in architecture and industry, but it’s a place with a strong cultural edge as well. We’re all living in a Chicago-created world, to a certain extent.

    Some Chicago innovations:

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/bluesky/series/chicago-innovations/

    And in intellectual life, “Chicago School” is a term with various meanings:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_school

    • Replies: @anonguy
    @Anotheranon


    And in intellectual life, “Chicago School” is a term with various meanings:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_school
     

    That is possibly the greatest blight upon the world in the past 25 years and you present it like it is a good thing?

    Yet another grain of sand on the beach of reasons to abhor Chicago.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    , @anonguy
    @Anotheranon


    Yeah, the post you’re responding to is a good example of the kind of Chicago ignorance that one frequently gets from certain folks.
     
    Mistaking the disdain of others for one's pretensions to greatness as ignorance is a further sign of unwarranted pretensions to greatness. That it happens so much that you understand it as a common phenomenon is further indication one is in defensive denial mode.

    Nobody disputes that places like NYC, London, Paris, Tokyo, etc., are world class places. Chicago is provincial, everyone knows it except for the touters.

    There is a reason so many people say these kinds of things about Chicago - you even admit that there are tons of us.

    It is called shooting the messenger.

    Think about it.

    Who cares about your pretty buildings, one can build interesting stuff anywhere. Anyhow, Dubai, China, etc, are all kicking Chicago's ass these days in that regard.

    Replies: @Anotheranon

  186. Hey Corvy, what’s your opinion on the Israel/Palestine situation? We here on the fringes need to hear a moderate opinion, from time to time. No need to go into deep detail; just give us the high points.

    “The Chicago black gang attack on a disabled white man illustrates again that there is no such thing as federal hate speech crime charges levied on blacks for attacking whites.”

    You are drinking from the wellspring of Fake News Stories. I suggest paying closer attention.

    So, you’re saying the NYT is a fake news site?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/06/us/chicago-racially-charged-attack-video.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=second-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
    http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/06/opinion/the-life-of-a-disabled-child-from-taunts-to-hate-crimes.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-right-region&region=opinion-c-col-right-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-right-region

    That CBS Radio is a fake news source?

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/cbs-radio-deceptively-implies-chicago-torturers-were-white-trump-supporters-victim-was-black/

    Not very moderate of you.

    CBS Radio and the new york times, two great wellsprings of fake news!

  187. @Young Tom
    Reading Wapo now is like reading Pravda in 1970. All it tells you is whatever message the elites are currently pushing. All the spin that's fit to print.

    We should call it "Washington Pravda".

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    The Washington Post has been known as Pravda on the Potomac for some years now. In the mid-90s, they bought out all their old reporters, Kornheiser, Wilbon, Bob Levy, etc.. and replaced them with j-school grads with hyphenated last names and now d********s like Collum Borchers. Their liberal big government bias has always been there, but DJT (PBUH) really drove them around the bend.

    I doubt the paper makes any money; maybe Bezos saw what a good media insurance policy the NYT has been for Carlos Slim and decided to do the same. It’s not like 250 Large is a lot of money to him.

  188. @slumber_j
    @anonguy


    The only thing of any interest that has ever come out of the place are Capone and various Prohibition mobsters.
     
    Mobsters are interesting?

    I would have suggested instead the development of 20th c. architecture. For example.

    Replies: @Anotheranon, @Steve Sailer, @Achmed E Newman, @Almost Missouri

    My dad grew up on a block in Oak Park with maybe a dozen Frank Lloyd Wright Prairie Style houses within 200 yards.

    And Ernest Hemingway left Oak Park about the time my father was born.

  189. Not surprising coming from a “rising star” of the Coalition of the Left Fringe groups. Similar to his right counterparts, some knowledge history from just a wee bit of research ought to made him put the brakes on making such a ludicrous statement, given Mr. Sailer’s reference to Reginald Denny.

    You’re such a moderate guy. And as such, you take a balanced approach. Not like we fringe Right folks. Or those fringe Left folks. And, given your obviously true assertions of moderation, you have, no doubt, spent just as much time being an annoying, tiresome #*[email protected] on fringe Left sites, as you do here on fringe Right sites. I mean, that would only be moderate and fair, right?

    So, let’s have it, Mr. Moderate. Show us the fringe Left site that you frequent, and tell us your handle, so we can check your bona fides.

    Not that we don’t trust you, mind, or think you’re a lying #*!). But as Reagan said, “trust, but verify.”

  190. Edit window still 2 minutes too short:

    Not surprising coming from a “rising star” of the Coalition of the Left Fringe groups. Similar to his right counterparts, some knowledge history from just a wee bit of research ought to made him put the brakes on making such a ludicrous statement, given Mr. Sailer’s reference to Reginald Denny.

    Corvinus, you’re such a moderate guy. And as such, you take a balanced approach. Not like we fringe Right folks. Or those fringe Left folks. And, given your obviously true assertions of moderation, you have, no doubt, spent just as much time being an annoying, tiresome #*[email protected] on fringe Left sites, as you do here on a fringe Right site. I mean, that would only be moderate and fair, right?

    So, let’s have it, Mr. Moderate. Show us the fringe Left site that you frequent, and tell us your handle, so we can check your bona fides.

    Not that we don’t trust you, mind, or think you’re a lying #*!). But as Reagan said, “trust, but verify.”

    P.S., you’re such an erudite and reasonable fellow, that I’m sure you’ve heard of the logical fallacy called “appeal to popularity.” Of course you have: it’s what underpins your Mantra about who’s fringey, and who isn’t, and the implications. If you haven’t, you might want to continue your remedial reading, by checking out “appeal to authority” as well.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Svigor

    “You’re such a moderate guy. And as such, you take a balanced approach. Not like we fringe Right folks. Or those fringe Left folks.”

    Exactly. Now you’re learning :)

    “And, given your obviously true assertions of moderation, you have, no doubt, spent just as much time being an annoying, tiresome #*[email protected] on fringe Left sites, as you do here on fringe Right sites. I mean, that would only be moderate and fair, right?”

    
The issue is that the Huff Po, Daily Kos, and Think Progress require Facebook accounts to comment (which I don’t have nor do I want) or scrub comments that do not suit the narrative. At least here at unz.com they let it fly.

    “So, let’s have it, Mr. Moderate. Show us the fringe Left site that you frequent, and tell us your handle, so we can check your bona fides.”

    That’s really creepy that you want to check me out. I suggest you find some other hobby. Regardless, just because I have been either banned from “lefty” sites or am an infrequent guest there does little to undermine my efforts to be aware of my own confirmation biases. Sometimes I succeed, sometimes I fail. Are you able to be that introspective?

    “So, you’re saying the NYT is a fake news site?”

    The NYT acknowledged that the attack in Chicago was a hate crime, and the report given by CBS was technically correct. The race baiters on the Left and the Right are going to have their hissy fits regarding the wording, or lack thereof, of the “facts”. An intelligent person is able to take out of the stories the most relevant information amid the confirmation bias and false narratives. Clearly you lack that ability.

    “P.S., you’re such an erudite and reasonable fellow, that I’m sure you’ve heard of the logical fallacy called “appeal to popularity.” Of course you have: it’s what underpins your Mantra about who’s fringey, and who isn’t, and the implications. If you haven’t, you might want to continue your remedial reading, by checking out “appeal to authority” as well.”

    Projection is your strong suit. Your entire comments fall in line with your buddies here to get accolades. The proof is in the pudding—how are you other than a member of the Coalition of the Right Fringe group? Verify, please.

  191. @Daniel Chieh
    @Frau Katze

    Out of curiousity, is Frau Katze a reference to anything or just a way to spell "Mrs. Cat?"

    Replies: @Frau Katze

    I used to be a political blogger (on a site in Canada).

    I needed a pseudonym: it seemed “cute” and I like cats plus I have no connection to Germany so it would not be what someone would guess.

    I have retired from work already so the greatest need for a pseudonym has been removed. People posting controversial stuff on, say their Facebook page using their real have been fired: yes, there are cases like that (especially in Canada, which has no guarantee about free speech).

    But I found blogging too time-consuming and depressing. Nevertheless I have used the pseudonym widely.

    I have grown children and nieces and nephews that might not agree with my ideas. I prefer NOT to start family fights. I also have long time friends (like for 5o years) who may not agree either.

    I know that some agree and some don’t (just from talking to them).

    Lots of people here have bizarre pseudonyms: I am just one more.

  192. @res
    @guest

    It's funny how the result of so much of the equality rhetoric is to diminish things like "equality under the law." Affirmative action and (the reality of) hate crime laws being two of the best examples.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Almost Missouri

    The cui of that bono ain’t hard to see. Annnd, what do you know, they’re the ones scratching the checks to push it.

  193. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Mr. Blank


    Maybe you could make that claim work if you stopped counting at, say, 1960
     
    Except that the black family in 1960 was in far better shape than any decadal checkpoint since then. As the health of the family is inversely proportional to social pathology, degrading the family (a Leftist organizing principle) results in exactly the problems we see today. Leftism shows that human stupidity knows no bounds.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    Except that the black family in 1960 was in far better shape than any decadal checkpoint since then.

    Yep. It doesn’t matter if the black family in 1960 was far from perfect, or if there was a considerable degree of dysfunction in black communities. What can’t be denied is that things are much much worse in both respects today.

    Degrading the family has been part of it. The failure to win the war on drugs (assuming the government ever had the slightest intention of winning it) has been another huge factor.

  194. @slumber_j
    @anonguy


    The only thing of any interest that has ever come out of the place are Capone and various Prohibition mobsters.
     
    Mobsters are interesting?

    I would have suggested instead the development of 20th c. architecture. For example.

    Replies: @Anotheranon, @Steve Sailer, @Achmed E Newman, @Almost Missouri

    During the mid 1980’s there was a famous ____ anyone?, anyone? …
    …. movie that was set in _____ anyone?, anyone? ….
    …. Chicago, starring Mathew ______ anyone? ….
    …. anyone?, …. anyone? ….
    …. Broderick called anyone, anyone? …..
    Bueller?

    • Replies: @anonguy
    @Achmed E Newman


    During the mid 1980′s there was a famous ____ anyone?, anyone? …
    …. movie that was set in _____ anyone?, anyone? ….
    …. Chicago, starring Mathew ______ anyone? ….
    …. anyone?, …. anyone? ….
    …. Broderick called anyone, anyone? …..
    Bueller?
     
    You Chicago boosters are pathetic. A movie 30 years ago maketh a great town?

    And it wasn't interesting at all that it was in Chicago, I certainly didn't remember what city it was in. And If you hadn't told me, I wouldn't have guessed Chicago. Just some forgettable Generica kind of place.

    Oops, maybe I would have gotten to Chicago eventually, considering that.

  195. @Dr. X
    @Anonymous


    The very low NYC murder rate is based on all 5 boroughs, including all the black areas of NYC. I would love to hear isteve readers’ theories about why the NYC crime rate is so low.
     
    It's low because New York City is a police state where there are no constitutional rights. The Second Amendment is non-existent, and so is the Fourth Amendment. And New York has one of the most harsh penal systems in the country. They throw violent Negroes into Upstate prisons for very, very long sentences. That way they get to hire more unionized prison guards, whose mandatory dues support the Democratic Party.

    Beyond that, New York is also a welfare state. So the blacks who cannot be suppressed by having cops violate their civil rights are bought off by the promise of generous welfare.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “It’s low because New York City is a police state where there are no constitutional rights. The Second Amendment is non-existent,”

    The Second Amendment is also non-existent in Chicago, yet that city is still significantly more violent than New York City.

    “Beyond that, New York is also a welfare state. So the blacks who cannot be suppressed by having cops violate their civil rights are bought off by the promise of generous welfare.”

    Chicago is also an extremely generous welfare state, but that has not been a deterrent for out of control Black crime in Chicago.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Jefferson

    New York has about 1/8 more police employment per capita than Chicago, but the real gap is per black capita, where NYC has almost 1/2 more than Chicago (NYC is proportionally less black than Chicago).

    Then there are the intangible differences. NYPD is well led, high morale, and as averred elsewhere, enjoys de facto immunity from search and seizure laws. CPD is poorly led, low morale and subject to Jesse Jackson/Eye of Soros/Dem Party/DoJ persecution/prosecution.

    There are other factors as well, but these facts account for much of the difference.

  196. @Kyle McKenna
    @TelfoedJohn

    Alas, par for the course at the Beeb. Along with much of the Brit media, they subscribe to (and promote) the same notions that animate the MSM in America: Either you're down with widespread torture/murders of white people, and especially being silent about same--because white people deserve this, of course; or you're obviously the Second Coming of Adolf. In which case you especially deserve the above. Neat trick innit.

    Tiresome Repetition Dept: The Owners of the MSM remain--always and everywhere--totally insulated from the mayhem they celebrate.

    Replies: @TelfoedJohn

    “The Owners of the MSM remain–always and everywhere–totally insulated from the mayhem they celebrate.”

    There really needs to be an organised effort to bring the downtrodden diverse to the elites doorstep so they can understand each other better. Truckloads of gangbangers, Somalis and transgender Latinx should be shipped to Martha’s Vineyard immediately.

  197. @David In TN
    @ATBOTL

    Yes, from these sources it is evident black on white murder was more common than the reverse pre-1960.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    All ATBOTL provided were places to find those sources, not the actual sources themselves that drew these conclusions. Moreover, “The Promised Land” offers a detailed account of the factors which caused black poverty and crime rather than exclusively pointing the finger at this group for their “dysfunction”.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    @Corvinus

    You ask questions and don't want to hear the answers.

    Replies: @Kylie, @Corvinus

  198. @Corvinus
    @David In TN

    All ATBOTL provided were places to find those sources, not the actual sources themselves that drew these conclusions. Moreover, "The Promised Land" offers a detailed account of the factors which caused black poverty and crime rather than exclusively pointing the finger at this group for their "dysfunction".

    Replies: @David In TN

    You ask questions and don’t want to hear the answers.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @David In TN

    Yes. Corvinus reminds me of my late, unlamented mother. She used to say, "When I want your opinion, I'll give it to you."

    , @Corvinus
    @David In TN

    "You ask questions and don’t want to hear the answers."

    Except there wasn't an answer provided, just sources. To what extent was there this wave of black crime and black societal dysfunction "back in the day".

    Because here is some data from those same sources that run counter to these claims...

    --Dunbar High School in Washington D.C., a black school, equaled or exceeded performance on national standardized tests.

    --72 percent of black men, and 81 percent of black women, were married (1950).

    --Prior to the 1960’s, the unemployment rate for black teens was below 10 percent; the number of teen pregnancies for blacks was in decline; black income was rising (in absolute and relative terms).

    --76 percent of black children were born to married women (1965).

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome, @Hippopotamusdrome, @David In TN

  199. @Anotheranon
    @slumber_j

    Yeah, the post you're responding to is a good example of the kind of Chicago ignorance that one frequently gets from certain folks.

    Whether you "understand the appeal of the place" or not, it's one of the cities that has defined the modern world. Above all in architecture and industry, but it's a place with a strong cultural edge as well. We're all living in a Chicago-created world, to a certain extent.

    Some Chicago innovations:

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/bluesky/series/chicago-innovations/

    And in intellectual life, "Chicago School" is a term with various meanings:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_school

    Replies: @anonguy, @anonguy

    And in intellectual life, “Chicago School” is a term with various meanings:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_school

    That is possibly the greatest blight upon the world in the past 25 years and you present it like it is a good thing?

    Yet another grain of sand on the beach of reasons to abhor Chicago.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @anonguy

    As one can see at the link, there are several Chicago schools, some diametrically opposed to others.

    Here's a good one:

    http://chicagoboyz.net/

  200. @Anotheranon
    @slumber_j

    Yeah, the post you're responding to is a good example of the kind of Chicago ignorance that one frequently gets from certain folks.

    Whether you "understand the appeal of the place" or not, it's one of the cities that has defined the modern world. Above all in architecture and industry, but it's a place with a strong cultural edge as well. We're all living in a Chicago-created world, to a certain extent.

    Some Chicago innovations:

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/bluesky/series/chicago-innovations/

    And in intellectual life, "Chicago School" is a term with various meanings:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_school

    Replies: @anonguy, @anonguy

    Yeah, the post you’re responding to is a good example of the kind of Chicago ignorance that one frequently gets from certain folks.

    Mistaking the disdain of others for one’s pretensions to greatness as ignorance is a further sign of unwarranted pretensions to greatness. That it happens so much that you understand it as a common phenomenon is further indication one is in defensive denial mode.

    Nobody disputes that places like NYC, London, Paris, Tokyo, etc., are world class places. Chicago is provincial, everyone knows it except for the touters.

    There is a reason so many people say these kinds of things about Chicago – you even admit that there are tons of us.

    It is called shooting the messenger.

    Think about it.

    Who cares about your pretty buildings, one can build interesting stuff anywhere. Anyhow, Dubai, China, etc, are all kicking Chicago’s ass these days in that regard.

    • Replies: @Anotheranon
    @anonguy

    OK, maybe ignorance is the wrong word. Rather an odd sense of what is interesting. I can think of a hundred things coming out of Chicago, past or present, that are more interesting than Al Capone and company.

    And this sentence is a bit ironic:

    "Dubai, China, etc, are all kicking Chicago’s ass these days in that regard"

    Many of those skyscrapers in Dubai, China etc. are being designed by Chicago architectural firms.

    http://apps.chicagotribune.com/news/chicago-architecture-in-china/

    Replies: @anonguy, @anonguy, @anonguy

  201. @David In TN
    @Corvinus

    You ask questions and don't want to hear the answers.

    Replies: @Kylie, @Corvinus

    Yes. Corvinus reminds me of my late, unlamented mother. She used to say, “When I want your opinion, I’ll give it to you.”

  202. @Achmed E Newman
    @slumber_j

    During the mid 1980's there was a famous ____ anyone?, anyone? ...
    .... movie that was set in _____ anyone?, anyone? ....
    .... Chicago, starring Mathew ______ anyone? ....
    .... anyone?, .... anyone? ....
    .... Broderick called anyone, anyone? .....
    Bueller?

    Replies: @anonguy

    During the mid 1980′s there was a famous ____ anyone?, anyone? …
    …. movie that was set in _____ anyone?, anyone? ….
    …. Chicago, starring Mathew ______ anyone? ….
    …. anyone?, …. anyone? ….
    …. Broderick called anyone, anyone? …..
    Bueller?

    You Chicago boosters are pathetic. A movie 30 years ago maketh a great town?

    And it wasn’t interesting at all that it was in Chicago, I certainly didn’t remember what city it was in. And If you hadn’t told me, I wouldn’t have guessed Chicago. Just some forgettable Generica kind of place.

    Oops, maybe I would have gotten to Chicago eventually, considering that.

  203. @res
    @guest

    It's funny how the result of so much of the equality rhetoric is to diminish things like "equality under the law." Affirmative action and (the reality of) hate crime laws being two of the best examples.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Almost Missouri

    Orwell foresaw this (and forewarned us.) Ministry of Truth = ministry of propaganda, etc.

    Today, I would say the two biggest nomenclature lies are:

    Civil Rights = unequal advantages for blacks

    Human Rights = unequal advantages for foreigners

    Actual civil rights and human rights are inevitably casualties.

  204. @slumber_j
    @anonguy


    The only thing of any interest that has ever come out of the place are Capone and various Prohibition mobsters.
     
    Mobsters are interesting?

    I would have suggested instead the development of 20th c. architecture. For example.

    Replies: @Anotheranon, @Steve Sailer, @Achmed E Newman, @Almost Missouri

    Most contemporary American comedy comes out of the Second City night club on North Wells Street, either directly as former players or indirectly as influence.

    Indeed, the Chicago theater scene in general could be considered the R&D department of modern American theater.

  205. @Jefferson
    @Dr. X

    "It’s low because New York City is a police state where there are no constitutional rights. The Second Amendment is non-existent,"

    The Second Amendment is also non-existent in Chicago, yet that city is still significantly more violent than New York City.

    "Beyond that, New York is also a welfare state. So the blacks who cannot be suppressed by having cops violate their civil rights are bought off by the promise of generous welfare."

    Chicago is also an extremely generous welfare state, but that has not been a deterrent for out of control Black crime in Chicago.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    New York has about 1/8 more police employment per capita than Chicago, but the real gap is per black capita, where NYC has almost 1/2 more than Chicago (NYC is proportionally less black than Chicago).

    Then there are the intangible differences. NYPD is well led, high morale, and as averred elsewhere, enjoys de facto immunity from search and seizure laws. CPD is poorly led, low morale and subject to Jesse Jackson/Eye of Soros/Dem Party/DoJ persecution/prosecution.

    There are other factors as well, but these facts account for much of the difference.

  206. @David In TN
    @Corvinus

    You ask questions and don't want to hear the answers.

    Replies: @Kylie, @Corvinus

    “You ask questions and don’t want to hear the answers.”

    Except there wasn’t an answer provided, just sources. To what extent was there this wave of black crime and black societal dysfunction “back in the day”.

    Because here is some data from those same sources that run counter to these claims…

    –Dunbar High School in Washington D.C., a black school, equaled or exceeded performance on national standardized tests.

    –72 percent of black men, and 81 percent of black women, were married (1950).

    –Prior to the 1960’s, the unemployment rate for black teens was below 10 percent; the number of teen pregnancies for blacks was in decline; black income was rising (in absolute and relative terms).

    –76 percent of black children were born to married women (1965).

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Corvinus



    To what extent was there this wave of black crime and black societal dysfunction “back in the day”.

     

    U.S.A. Executions 1900: 51 black, 98 total
    52% 1900 executions are black

    1900 cencus: 8,833,994 black, 75,994,575 total
    11.6% 1900 population is black

    1900 blacks overrepresented in executions 4.5 times

    --------------------------------------------

    U.S.A. Executions 1951:44 black, 100 total
    44% 1951 executions are black

    1950 cencus: black 15,042,286, total 150,697,361
    10% 1950 population is black

    1951 blacks overrepresented in executions 4.4 times

    --------------------------------------

    2013 Murderers: 4379 black, 8343 total
    52% black

    2010 cencus: black 13.6%

    2010 overrepresentation of blacks in murder: 3.8 times

    ======================

    Summary:

    1900 blacks overrepresented in executions 4.5 times
    1951 blacks overrepresented in executions 4.4 times
    2010 blacks overrepresented in murder: 3.8 times

    For a century, black criminality holds steady at 4 times greater without any upward or downward trend.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Peripatetic commenter

    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Corvinus



    76 percent of black children were born to married women (1965).

     

    LOL. 100 - 76 = 26% illegitimacy.

    Trends in Illigimacy

    White illegitimacy 4%
    Non-white illegitimacy 26%

    1965 black illegitimacy 6.5 times greater than white.
    , @David In TN
    @Corvinus

    "Except there wasn't an answer provided, just sources."

    To get an answer, you begin with sources.

    If reading a book is not beyond your level of competence, try "Rise of the Black Serial Killer," by Justin Cotrell. It's available on a commonly used outlet called Amazon.

    There are documented cases of black serial killers well back into the 19th Century. Why does this have special relevance? A long-time apologia for black criminality is "All serial killers are white males." This one isn't heard as often now with most of the serial killers surfacing the last dozen years or so (The Grim Sleeper, Westside Rapist, Cleveland strangler, etc) being black.

    But it used to be trotted out all the time by the vaunted FBI "profilers," for instance.

    Replies: @Peripatetic commenter, @Corvinus

  207. @anonguy
    @Anotheranon


    Yeah, the post you’re responding to is a good example of the kind of Chicago ignorance that one frequently gets from certain folks.
     
    Mistaking the disdain of others for one's pretensions to greatness as ignorance is a further sign of unwarranted pretensions to greatness. That it happens so much that you understand it as a common phenomenon is further indication one is in defensive denial mode.

    Nobody disputes that places like NYC, London, Paris, Tokyo, etc., are world class places. Chicago is provincial, everyone knows it except for the touters.

    There is a reason so many people say these kinds of things about Chicago - you even admit that there are tons of us.

    It is called shooting the messenger.

    Think about it.

    Who cares about your pretty buildings, one can build interesting stuff anywhere. Anyhow, Dubai, China, etc, are all kicking Chicago's ass these days in that regard.

    Replies: @Anotheranon

    OK, maybe ignorance is the wrong word. Rather an odd sense of what is interesting. I can think of a hundred things coming out of Chicago, past or present, that are more interesting than Al Capone and company.

    And this sentence is a bit ironic:

    “Dubai, China, etc, are all kicking Chicago’s ass these days in that regard”

    Many of those skyscrapers in Dubai, China etc. are being designed by Chicago architectural firms.

    http://apps.chicagotribune.com/news/chicago-architecture-in-china/

    • Replies: @anonguy
    @Anotheranon


    Many of those skyscrapers in Dubai, China etc. are being designed by Chicago architectural firms.

    http://apps.chicagotribune.com/news/chicago-architecture-in-china/
     

    But they aren't building them in Chicago, which is a pretty key point.

    I mean, it is bad enough to think that masses of people make their choices of where to live based upon the architectural history of a city, it is even worse to claim that those people would care about the architectural design exports of a city other than a few architecture weenies.

    Which Chicago produces like no place other because that is about all they've got in addition to a serious yen to be viewed as a first class city.

    No way you are ever going to win on this topic because I'm on the right side of reality, at least on this one.

    , @anonguy
    @Anotheranon


    I can think of a hundred things coming out of Chicago, past or present, that are more interesting than Al Capone and company.
     
    I'm all ears for that list. I'd start with noting that you might have phrased this as "that are more interesting to Anotheranon than..".
    y
    I'll just start with a basic filter to appl on your list.

    If more words have been written, movies/Tv shows produced, etc on Al Capone or mobsters in general, because the contention is not just Capone, but mobsters, and not just Chicago mob, are interesting, then you should strike that topic from the list.

    That would be the basic qualification of the candidate topics to even be considered as "more interesting", public interest definitely seems a fair metric of "interesting".

    Going to be a quite short list, I'm guessing.

    Replies: @Anotheranon

    , @anonguy
    @Anotheranon


    OK, maybe ignorance is the wrong word. Rather an odd sense of what is interesting.
     
    I think the Chicago Fire is interesting and that only happened in Chicago.

    So that is another thing interesting about the place, but certainly nothing that qualifies it as a world class city.

    However, it does does distinguish it the place as big city, gotta be a big city to have a Great Fire on the ol' municipal resume.

  208. @Svigor
    Edit window still 2 minutes too short:

    Not surprising coming from a “rising star” of the Coalition of the Left Fringe groups. Similar to his right counterparts, some knowledge history from just a wee bit of research ought to made him put the brakes on making such a ludicrous statement, given Mr. Sailer’s reference to Reginald Denny.
     
    Corvinus, you're such a moderate guy. And as such, you take a balanced approach. Not like we fringe Right folks. Or those fringe Left folks. And, given your obviously true assertions of moderation, you have, no doubt, spent just as much time being an annoying, tiresome #*[email protected] on fringe Left sites, as you do here on a fringe Right site. I mean, that would only be moderate and fair, right?

    So, let's have it, Mr. Moderate. Show us the fringe Left site that you frequent, and tell us your handle, so we can check your bona fides.

    Not that we don't trust you, mind, or think you're a lying #*!). But as Reagan said, "trust, but verify."

    P.S., you're such an erudite and reasonable fellow, that I'm sure you've heard of the logical fallacy called "appeal to popularity." Of course you have: it's what underpins your Mantra about who's fringey, and who isn't, and the implications. If you haven't, you might want to continue your remedial reading, by checking out "appeal to authority" as well.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “You’re such a moderate guy. And as such, you take a balanced approach. Not like we fringe Right folks. Or those fringe Left folks.”

    Exactly. Now you’re learning 🙂

    “And, given your obviously true assertions of moderation, you have, no doubt, spent just as much time being an annoying, tiresome #*[email protected] on fringe Left sites, as you do here on fringe Right sites. I mean, that would only be moderate and fair, right?”

    
The issue is that the Huff Po, Daily Kos, and Think Progress require Facebook accounts to comment (which I don’t have nor do I want) or scrub comments that do not suit the narrative. At least here at unz.com they let it fly.

    “So, let’s have it, Mr. Moderate. Show us the fringe Left site that you frequent, and tell us your handle, so we can check your bona fides.”

    That’s really creepy that you want to check me out. I suggest you find some other hobby. Regardless, just because I have been either banned from “lefty” sites or am an infrequent guest there does little to undermine my efforts to be aware of my own confirmation biases. Sometimes I succeed, sometimes I fail. Are you able to be that introspective?

    “So, you’re saying the NYT is a fake news site?”

    The NYT acknowledged that the attack in Chicago was a hate crime, and the report given by CBS was technically correct. The race baiters on the Left and the Right are going to have their hissy fits regarding the wording, or lack thereof, of the “facts”. An intelligent person is able to take out of the stories the most relevant information amid the confirmation bias and false narratives. Clearly you lack that ability.

    “P.S., you’re such an erudite and reasonable fellow, that I’m sure you’ve heard of the logical fallacy called “appeal to popularity.” Of course you have: it’s what underpins your Mantra about who’s fringey, and who isn’t, and the implications. If you haven’t, you might want to continue your remedial reading, by checking out “appeal to authority” as well.”

    Projection is your strong suit. Your entire comments fall in line with your buddies here to get accolades. The proof is in the pudding—how are you other than a member of the Coalition of the Right Fringe group? Verify, please.

  209. @Corvinus
    @David In TN

    "You ask questions and don’t want to hear the answers."

    Except there wasn't an answer provided, just sources. To what extent was there this wave of black crime and black societal dysfunction "back in the day".

    Because here is some data from those same sources that run counter to these claims...

    --Dunbar High School in Washington D.C., a black school, equaled or exceeded performance on national standardized tests.

    --72 percent of black men, and 81 percent of black women, were married (1950).

    --Prior to the 1960’s, the unemployment rate for black teens was below 10 percent; the number of teen pregnancies for blacks was in decline; black income was rising (in absolute and relative terms).

    --76 percent of black children were born to married women (1965).

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome, @Hippopotamusdrome, @David In TN

    To what extent was there this wave of black crime and black societal dysfunction “back in the day”.

    U.S.A. Executions 1900: 51 black, 98 total
    52% 1900 executions are black

    1900 cencus: 8,833,994 black, 75,994,575 total
    11.6% 1900 population is black

    1900 blacks overrepresented in executions 4.5 times

    ——————————————–

    U.S.A. Executions 1951:44 black, 100 total
    44% 1951 executions are black

    1950 cencus: black 15,042,286, total 150,697,361
    10% 1950 population is black

    1951 blacks overrepresented in executions 4.4 times

    ————————————–

    2013 Murderers: 4379 black, 8343 total
    52% black

    2010 cencus: black 13.6%

    2010 overrepresentation of blacks in murder: 3.8 times

    ======================

    Summary:

    1900 blacks overrepresented in executions 4.5 times
    1951 blacks overrepresented in executions 4.4 times
    2010 blacks overrepresented in murder: 3.8 times

    For a century, black criminality holds steady at 4 times greater without any upward or downward trend.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    "For a century, black criminality holds steady at 4 times greater without any upward or downward trend."

    4.5, 4.4, 3.8 = downward trend

    In 1900, 51 hangings divided by 8833994 = .oo0oo577315% of the black population committed murder

    The occupations of those 51 individuals came generally from the lower social classes, who are more predisposed to commit crime. We are unaware of each person's upbringing and the extent by which a lack of parental involvement or schooling played a role in their fate, nor do we have any background regarding the circumstances surrounding their crime. Moreover, the majority of the black hangings occurred in the South during the Jim Crow era. You do realize that blacks at that point in time had other than equal legal representation compared to their white counterparts.

    Those are necessary factors to take into account.
    Regarding illegitimacy, the source you linked to offered the caveat that the quality of their statistics had to take into account incomplete birth registrations and the decline in the number of States asking for legitimacy status--only 34 states reported this data. The study acknowledged that the proportion of legitimate births conceived before a couple getting marriage increased substantially. In addition, the study divides it between "white" and "non-white". I did not see any specific references to "black". Finally, the rates of unmarried women went up, so did illegitimate births. Thus, it is not a RACIAL matter, but a SOCIETAL issue.

    Two other figures to note.

    1) The proportion of unwed mothers ages 20-24 was higher for white women (35 percent) than non-white women (29 percent).

    2) About 66 percent of unwed white women, reported that the illegitimate son/daughter was their first child, compared to 44 percent of unwed non-white women.

    Perhaps you ought to carefully read what you link to.

    , @Peripatetic commenter
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    And, of course, the DoJ has been working hard to classify many murderers as white, regardless of their actual racial backgrounds, which no doubt explains the dip in 2010.

    Still, anyone who argues that 3.8 times is not to be remarked on is a moron.

  210. @Corvinus
    @David In TN

    "You ask questions and don’t want to hear the answers."

    Except there wasn't an answer provided, just sources. To what extent was there this wave of black crime and black societal dysfunction "back in the day".

    Because here is some data from those same sources that run counter to these claims...

    --Dunbar High School in Washington D.C., a black school, equaled or exceeded performance on national standardized tests.

    --72 percent of black men, and 81 percent of black women, were married (1950).

    --Prior to the 1960’s, the unemployment rate for black teens was below 10 percent; the number of teen pregnancies for blacks was in decline; black income was rising (in absolute and relative terms).

    --76 percent of black children were born to married women (1965).

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome, @Hippopotamusdrome, @David In TN

    76 percent of black children were born to married women (1965).

    LOL. 100 – 76 = 26% illegitimacy.

    Trends in Illigimacy

    White illegitimacy 4%
    Non-white illegitimacy 26%

    1965 black illegitimacy 6.5 times greater than white.

  211. @utu
    OT. Was the gang rape by Minnesota football players discussed somewhere here? I read about it in Daily Mail

    Ten Minnesota football players who were accused of gang rape of student and suspended will NOT face criminal charges due to 'lack of evidence'

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4077694/University-Minnesota-football-players-won-t-face-charges-sexual-assault-investigation-prosecutors-say-behavior-

    few days ago for the first time. I still do not understand why the charges were dropped. Who was the victim?

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    If you check into the police report,

    http://kstp.com/kstpImages/repository/cs/files/University%20of%20Minnesota%20Police%20Department%20Redacted%204.pdf

    you will find that some of the accused had some cell phone video of the incident, which evidence was highly exculpatory of rape for them and highly inculpatory of skankiness for the accuser.

    Not that this sheds any glory on the football players, so the University isn’t wrong to bounce them, but neither is the state wrong not to prosecute. Lately the DA seems to be having second thoughts though, so we’ll see.

    Overall, it looks like a case of what Derbyshire calls “Narrative Convergence” when two of the Left’s false consciousnesses converge on each other. In this case it is the Blacks-Are-Always-Unjustly-Accused narrative converging on the All-Rape-Claims-Are-Always-True narrative.

    Perhaps one could argue (though I would not) that if the football players had been white, this could have been another Brock Turner case. The differences are that in the Turner case the witnesses described the woman as being more unconscious, while at U Minn, the video showed her conscious and complicit. On the other hand, with Turner there wasn’t actual sex, while U Minn was. So YMMV. Comparative jurisprudence is tricky.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Almost Missouri

    I should have said it's "a case of what Derbyshire calls “Narrative Collision” when two of the Left’s false consciousnesses collide with each other."

  212. @Corvinus
    @David In TN

    "You ask questions and don’t want to hear the answers."

    Except there wasn't an answer provided, just sources. To what extent was there this wave of black crime and black societal dysfunction "back in the day".

    Because here is some data from those same sources that run counter to these claims...

    --Dunbar High School in Washington D.C., a black school, equaled or exceeded performance on national standardized tests.

    --72 percent of black men, and 81 percent of black women, were married (1950).

    --Prior to the 1960’s, the unemployment rate for black teens was below 10 percent; the number of teen pregnancies for blacks was in decline; black income was rising (in absolute and relative terms).

    --76 percent of black children were born to married women (1965).

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome, @Hippopotamusdrome, @David In TN

    “Except there wasn’t an answer provided, just sources.”

    To get an answer, you begin with sources.

    If reading a book is not beyond your level of competence, try “Rise of the Black Serial Killer,” by Justin Cotrell. It’s available on a commonly used outlet called Amazon.

    There are documented cases of black serial killers well back into the 19th Century. Why does this have special relevance? A long-time apologia for black criminality is “All serial killers are white males.” This one isn’t heard as often now with most of the serial killers surfacing the last dozen years or so (The Grim Sleeper, Westside Rapist, Cleveland strangler, etc) being black.

    But it used to be trotted out all the time by the vaunted FBI “profilers,” for instance.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic commenter
    @David In TN

    Corvinus must be black based on the things he argues against here.

    , @Corvinus
    @David In TN

    Of course there are black serial killers. I read the book. I was intrigued at the author's crime stories, yet irritated because he place gangsters under the blanket term of “serial killers”. It was clear the author was sickened by white on black AND black on white acts of depravity. Regarding his claim there are more black serial killers per capita in black America than there are white serial killers in white America, there are discrepancies.

    http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/1088767905280080

    “It is well known that definitional problems plague this area of research (Keeney & Hyde, 1994; Petee & Jarvis, 2000). In this study, we follow many other authors (e.g., Egger, 1998; Fox & Levin, 2001; Hickey, 1997) who define a serial killer as a person who kills three or more individuals in separate events and who is motivated by various combinations of hedonism, sexual lust, desire for power and dominance, and/or misplaced missionary zeal to rid the world of “undesirables.” In other words, serial killing is viewed as an expressive crime rather than an instrumental crime. Not included in this definition are those whose murders are motivated by financial gain or by various criminal enterprises (such as gangland wars, hit men, revenge killings, “Bluebeard” killings, and so forth), or committed by groups for religious or political reasons, such as those committed by the Death Angels. We omit these groups because we do not know which of their members qualifies as a serial killer according to our criteria. Robert Rozier is the only member of any of these groups with a verified victim count (Rozier is included in our sample). Although most researchers exclude such cases, these limitations would not be acceptable to all. The data for this study were derived from a variety of sources. Unfortunately, no comprehensive list of serial killers exists that would enable researchers to arrive at a precise answer to the question of racial or ethnic proportionality among serial killers. One has to rely on a variety of secondary sources for data of this type."

    "This one isn’t heard as often now with most of the serial killers surfacing the last dozen years or so (The Grim Sleeper, Westside Rapist, Cleveland strangler, etc) being black."

    Some, not most.

    Replies: @David In TN

  213. @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Corvinus



    To what extent was there this wave of black crime and black societal dysfunction “back in the day”.

     

    U.S.A. Executions 1900: 51 black, 98 total
    52% 1900 executions are black

    1900 cencus: 8,833,994 black, 75,994,575 total
    11.6% 1900 population is black

    1900 blacks overrepresented in executions 4.5 times

    --------------------------------------------

    U.S.A. Executions 1951:44 black, 100 total
    44% 1951 executions are black

    1950 cencus: black 15,042,286, total 150,697,361
    10% 1950 population is black

    1951 blacks overrepresented in executions 4.4 times

    --------------------------------------

    2013 Murderers: 4379 black, 8343 total
    52% black

    2010 cencus: black 13.6%

    2010 overrepresentation of blacks in murder: 3.8 times

    ======================

    Summary:

    1900 blacks overrepresented in executions 4.5 times
    1951 blacks overrepresented in executions 4.4 times
    2010 blacks overrepresented in murder: 3.8 times

    For a century, black criminality holds steady at 4 times greater without any upward or downward trend.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Peripatetic commenter

    “For a century, black criminality holds steady at 4 times greater without any upward or downward trend.”

    4.5, 4.4, 3.8 = downward trend

    In 1900, 51 hangings divided by 8833994 = .oo0oo577315% of the black population committed murder

    The occupations of those 51 individuals came generally from the lower social classes, who are more predisposed to commit crime. We are unaware of each person’s upbringing and the extent by which a lack of parental involvement or schooling played a role in their fate, nor do we have any background regarding the circumstances surrounding their crime. Moreover, the majority of the black hangings occurred in the South during the Jim Crow era. You do realize that blacks at that point in time had other than equal legal representation compared to their white counterparts.

    Those are necessary factors to take into account.
    Regarding illegitimacy, the source you linked to offered the caveat that the quality of their statistics had to take into account incomplete birth registrations and the decline in the number of States asking for legitimacy status–only 34 states reported this data. The study acknowledged that the proportion of legitimate births conceived before a couple getting marriage increased substantially. In addition, the study divides it between “white” and “non-white”. I did not see any specific references to “black”. Finally, the rates of unmarried women went up, so did illegitimate births. Thus, it is not a RACIAL matter, but a SOCIETAL issue.

    Two other figures to note.

    1) The proportion of unwed mothers ages 20-24 was higher for white women (35 percent) than non-white women (29 percent).

    2) About 66 percent of unwed white women, reported that the illegitimate son/daughter was their first child, compared to 44 percent of unwed non-white women.

    Perhaps you ought to carefully read what you link to.

  214. @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Corvinus



    To what extent was there this wave of black crime and black societal dysfunction “back in the day”.

     

    U.S.A. Executions 1900: 51 black, 98 total
    52% 1900 executions are black

    1900 cencus: 8,833,994 black, 75,994,575 total
    11.6% 1900 population is black

    1900 blacks overrepresented in executions 4.5 times

    --------------------------------------------

    U.S.A. Executions 1951:44 black, 100 total
    44% 1951 executions are black

    1950 cencus: black 15,042,286, total 150,697,361
    10% 1950 population is black

    1951 blacks overrepresented in executions 4.4 times

    --------------------------------------

    2013 Murderers: 4379 black, 8343 total
    52% black

    2010 cencus: black 13.6%

    2010 overrepresentation of blacks in murder: 3.8 times

    ======================

    Summary:

    1900 blacks overrepresented in executions 4.5 times
    1951 blacks overrepresented in executions 4.4 times
    2010 blacks overrepresented in murder: 3.8 times

    For a century, black criminality holds steady at 4 times greater without any upward or downward trend.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Peripatetic commenter

    And, of course, the DoJ has been working hard to classify many murderers as white, regardless of their actual racial backgrounds, which no doubt explains the dip in 2010.

    Still, anyone who argues that 3.8 times is not to be remarked on is a moron.

  215. @David In TN
    @Corvinus

    "Except there wasn't an answer provided, just sources."

    To get an answer, you begin with sources.

    If reading a book is not beyond your level of competence, try "Rise of the Black Serial Killer," by Justin Cotrell. It's available on a commonly used outlet called Amazon.

    There are documented cases of black serial killers well back into the 19th Century. Why does this have special relevance? A long-time apologia for black criminality is "All serial killers are white males." This one isn't heard as often now with most of the serial killers surfacing the last dozen years or so (The Grim Sleeper, Westside Rapist, Cleveland strangler, etc) being black.

    But it used to be trotted out all the time by the vaunted FBI "profilers," for instance.

    Replies: @Peripatetic commenter, @Corvinus

    Corvinus must be black based on the things he argues against here.

  216. @Anotheranon
    @anonguy

    OK, maybe ignorance is the wrong word. Rather an odd sense of what is interesting. I can think of a hundred things coming out of Chicago, past or present, that are more interesting than Al Capone and company.

    And this sentence is a bit ironic:

    "Dubai, China, etc, are all kicking Chicago’s ass these days in that regard"

    Many of those skyscrapers in Dubai, China etc. are being designed by Chicago architectural firms.

    http://apps.chicagotribune.com/news/chicago-architecture-in-china/

    Replies: @anonguy, @anonguy, @anonguy

    Many of those skyscrapers in Dubai, China etc. are being designed by Chicago architectural firms.

    http://apps.chicagotribune.com/news/chicago-architecture-in-china/

    But they aren’t building them in Chicago, which is a pretty key point.

    I mean, it is bad enough to think that masses of people make their choices of where to live based upon the architectural history of a city, it is even worse to claim that those people would care about the architectural design exports of a city other than a few architecture weenies.

    Which Chicago produces like no place other because that is about all they’ve got in addition to a serious yen to be viewed as a first class city.

    No way you are ever going to win on this topic because I’m on the right side of reality, at least on this one.

  217. @Anotheranon
    @anonguy

    OK, maybe ignorance is the wrong word. Rather an odd sense of what is interesting. I can think of a hundred things coming out of Chicago, past or present, that are more interesting than Al Capone and company.

    And this sentence is a bit ironic:

    "Dubai, China, etc, are all kicking Chicago’s ass these days in that regard"

    Many of those skyscrapers in Dubai, China etc. are being designed by Chicago architectural firms.

    http://apps.chicagotribune.com/news/chicago-architecture-in-china/

    Replies: @anonguy, @anonguy, @anonguy

    I can think of a hundred things coming out of Chicago, past or present, that are more interesting than Al Capone and company.

    I’m all ears for that list. I’d start with noting that you might have phrased this as “that are more interesting to Anotheranon than..”.
    y
    I’ll just start with a basic filter to appl on your list.

    If more words have been written, movies/Tv shows produced, etc on Al Capone or mobsters in general, because the contention is not just Capone, but mobsters, and not just Chicago mob, are interesting, then you should strike that topic from the list.

    That would be the basic qualification of the candidate topics to even be considered as “more interesting”, public interest definitely seems a fair metric of “interesting”.

    Going to be a quite short list, I’m guessing.

    • Replies: @Anotheranon
    @anonguy

    You seem determined to dislike or disparage anything coming out of Chicago. Fine, that's your prerogative, but for other people who may be interested, it's worth putting these links in one place:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_literature

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theater_in_Chicago

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_of_Chicago

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_film_industry

    plus the links I already posted above. I think people will find something more interesting than mobsters among all this info. (Yeah, I'm ignoring your filter, because mobsters are not that important in the larger scheme of things.)

  218. @Anotheranon
    @anonguy

    OK, maybe ignorance is the wrong word. Rather an odd sense of what is interesting. I can think of a hundred things coming out of Chicago, past or present, that are more interesting than Al Capone and company.

    And this sentence is a bit ironic:

    "Dubai, China, etc, are all kicking Chicago’s ass these days in that regard"

    Many of those skyscrapers in Dubai, China etc. are being designed by Chicago architectural firms.

    http://apps.chicagotribune.com/news/chicago-architecture-in-china/

    Replies: @anonguy, @anonguy, @anonguy

    OK, maybe ignorance is the wrong word. Rather an odd sense of what is interesting.

    I think the Chicago Fire is interesting and that only happened in Chicago.

    So that is another thing interesting about the place, but certainly nothing that qualifies it as a world class city.

    However, it does does distinguish it the place as big city, gotta be a big city to have a Great Fire on the ol’ municipal resume.

  219. @anonguy
    @Anotheranon


    And in intellectual life, “Chicago School” is a term with various meanings:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_school
     

    That is possibly the greatest blight upon the world in the past 25 years and you present it like it is a good thing?

    Yet another grain of sand on the beach of reasons to abhor Chicago.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    As one can see at the link, there are several Chicago schools, some diametrically opposed to others.

    Here’s a good one:

    http://chicagoboyz.net/

  220. The issue is that the Huff Po, Daily Kos, and Think Progress require Facebook accounts to comment (which I don’t have nor do I want) or scrub comments that do not suit the narrative. At least here at unz.com they let it fly.

    Ohhhh, I see. So fringey rightists value free speech, and fringey leftists don’t. And since no good deed goes unpunished…

    That’s really creepy that you want to check me out. I suggest you find some other hobby. Regardless, just because I have been either banned from “lefty” sites or am an infrequent guest there does little to undermine my efforts to be aware of my own confirmation biases. Sometimes I succeed, sometimes I fail. Are you able to be that introspective?

    It’s amazing, how I knew you spend 0 time boring lefties to death, the way you do us.

    So much for your bullshit pose of balance and moderation.

    P.S., what’s your take on the Palestine-Israel “conflict”?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Svigor

    "It’s amazing, how I knew you spend 0 time boring lefties to death, the way you do us."

    Except you find time to respond to my posts. Apparently I'm other than boring.

    "So much for your bullshit pose of balance and moderation."

    I strike balance and moderation here, that's what most importance. You, on the other hand, are still mired in your own confirmation bias.

    "P.S., what’s your take on the Palestine-Israel “conflict”?"

    That's easy. Da Joos are to blame for everything.

    "I also find it amusing that your uber-moderate views are so offensive to leftists that they won’t even hear you out."

    "But balance! Balance! Both fringes are equally bad! Except, the evidence doesn’t suggest that, now does it?"

    The evidence suggests that there are radical right sites and radical left sites that desire echo chambers by moderating their comments.

    "Lefties are more violent and aggressive, less tolerant, more bigoted, have no respect for free speech, etc."

    Radicals, which include those on the left and right, you meant to say.

    "And keep in mind, you’re comparing sites like HuffPo, Daily Kos, and Think Progress with Unz.com. The former are waaaaay less fringey than Unz.com."

    Both espouse positions outside of the mainstream. Both are subject to ridicule by "cucks".

    "You’ve pretty well shot your moderate pose to shit. Kudos."

    Not quite. It is clear I am more balanced and moderate compared to you. Congratulations.

  221. I also find it amusing that your uber-moderate views are so offensive to leftists that they won’t even hear you out.

    But balance! Balance! Both fringes are equally bad! Except, the evidence doesn’t suggest that, now does it?

  222. Lefties are more violent and aggressive, less tolerant, more bigoted, have no respect for free speech, etc.

    And keep in mind, you’re comparing sites like HuffPo, Daily Kos, and Think Progress with Unz.com. The former are waaaaay less fringey than Unz.com. Meaning, leftists far closer to the middle are more violent and aggressive, less tolerant, more bigoted, hostile to free speech, etc., than very fringey rightists like Unz commentariat.

    You’ve pretty well shot your moderate pose to shit. Kudos.

  223. @anonguy
    @Anotheranon


    I can think of a hundred things coming out of Chicago, past or present, that are more interesting than Al Capone and company.
     
    I'm all ears for that list. I'd start with noting that you might have phrased this as "that are more interesting to Anotheranon than..".
    y
    I'll just start with a basic filter to appl on your list.

    If more words have been written, movies/Tv shows produced, etc on Al Capone or mobsters in general, because the contention is not just Capone, but mobsters, and not just Chicago mob, are interesting, then you should strike that topic from the list.

    That would be the basic qualification of the candidate topics to even be considered as "more interesting", public interest definitely seems a fair metric of "interesting".

    Going to be a quite short list, I'm guessing.

    Replies: @Anotheranon

    You seem determined to dislike or disparage anything coming out of Chicago. Fine, that’s your prerogative, but for other people who may be interested, it’s worth putting these links in one place:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_literature

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theater_in_Chicago

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_of_Chicago

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_film_industry

    plus the links I already posted above. I think people will find something more interesting than mobsters among all this info. (Yeah, I’m ignoring your filter, because mobsters are not that important in the larger scheme of things.)

  224. @David In TN
    @Corvinus

    "Except there wasn't an answer provided, just sources."

    To get an answer, you begin with sources.

    If reading a book is not beyond your level of competence, try "Rise of the Black Serial Killer," by Justin Cotrell. It's available on a commonly used outlet called Amazon.

    There are documented cases of black serial killers well back into the 19th Century. Why does this have special relevance? A long-time apologia for black criminality is "All serial killers are white males." This one isn't heard as often now with most of the serial killers surfacing the last dozen years or so (The Grim Sleeper, Westside Rapist, Cleveland strangler, etc) being black.

    But it used to be trotted out all the time by the vaunted FBI "profilers," for instance.

    Replies: @Peripatetic commenter, @Corvinus

    Of course there are black serial killers. I read the book. I was intrigued at the author’s crime stories, yet irritated because he place gangsters under the blanket term of “serial killers”. It was clear the author was sickened by white on black AND black on white acts of depravity. Regarding his claim there are more black serial killers per capita in black America than there are white serial killers in white America, there are discrepancies.

    http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/1088767905280080

    “It is well known that definitional problems plague this area of research (Keeney & Hyde, 1994; Petee & Jarvis, 2000). In this study, we follow many other authors (e.g., Egger, 1998; Fox & Levin, 2001; Hickey, 1997) who define a serial killer as a person who kills three or more individuals in separate events and who is motivated by various combinations of hedonism, sexual lust, desire for power and dominance, and/or misplaced missionary zeal to rid the world of “undesirables.” In other words, serial killing is viewed as an expressive crime rather than an instrumental crime. Not included in this definition are those whose murders are motivated by financial gain or by various criminal enterprises (such as gangland wars, hit men, revenge killings, “Bluebeard” killings, and so forth), or committed by groups for religious or political reasons, such as those committed by the Death Angels. We omit these groups because we do not know which of their members qualifies as a serial killer according to our criteria. Robert Rozier is the only member of any of these groups with a verified victim count (Rozier is included in our sample). Although most researchers exclude such cases, these limitations would not be acceptable to all. The data for this study were derived from a variety of sources. Unfortunately, no comprehensive list of serial killers exists that would enable researchers to arrive at a precise answer to the question of racial or ethnic proportionality among serial killers. One has to rely on a variety of secondary sources for data of this type.”

    “This one isn’t heard as often now with most of the serial killers surfacing the last dozen years or so (The Grim Sleeper, Westside Rapist, Cleveland strangler, etc) being black.”

    Some, not most.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    @Corvinus

    "Of course, there are black serial killers."

    Thanks for admitting you are wrong. I read the link you provided years ago.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  225. @Svigor

    The issue is that the Huff Po, Daily Kos, and Think Progress require Facebook accounts to comment (which I don’t have nor do I want) or scrub comments that do not suit the narrative. At least here at unz.com they let it fly.
     
    Ohhhh, I see. So fringey rightists value free speech, and fringey leftists don't. And since no good deed goes unpunished...

    That’s really creepy that you want to check me out. I suggest you find some other hobby. Regardless, just because I have been either banned from “lefty” sites or am an infrequent guest there does little to undermine my efforts to be aware of my own confirmation biases. Sometimes I succeed, sometimes I fail. Are you able to be that introspective?
     
    It's amazing, how I knew you spend 0 time boring lefties to death, the way you do us.

    So much for your bullshit pose of balance and moderation.

    P.S., what's your take on the Palestine-Israel "conflict"?

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “It’s amazing, how I knew you spend 0 time boring lefties to death, the way you do us.”

    Except you find time to respond to my posts. Apparently I’m other than boring.

    “So much for your bullshit pose of balance and moderation.”

    I strike balance and moderation here, that’s what most importance. You, on the other hand, are still mired in your own confirmation bias.

    “P.S., what’s your take on the Palestine-Israel “conflict”?”

    That’s easy. Da Joos are to blame for everything.

    “I also find it amusing that your uber-moderate views are so offensive to leftists that they won’t even hear you out.”

    “But balance! Balance! Both fringes are equally bad! Except, the evidence doesn’t suggest that, now does it?”

    The evidence suggests that there are radical right sites and radical left sites that desire echo chambers by moderating their comments.

    “Lefties are more violent and aggressive, less tolerant, more bigoted, have no respect for free speech, etc.”

    Radicals, which include those on the left and right, you meant to say.

    “And keep in mind, you’re comparing sites like HuffPo, Daily Kos, and Think Progress with Unz.com. The former are waaaaay less fringey than Unz.com.”

    Both espouse positions outside of the mainstream. Both are subject to ridicule by “cucks”.

    “You’ve pretty well shot your moderate pose to shit. Kudos.”

    Not quite. It is clear I am more balanced and moderate compared to you. Congratulations.

  226. Except you find time to respond to my posts. Apparently I’m other than boring.

    Taking out the trash and flushing the toilet is boring, but I still find time to do it. Corvanus might be the only person in America too stupid to understand something so obvious, or to predict so obvious a response.

    I strike balance and moderation here, that’s what most importance. You, on the other hand, are still mired in your own confirmation bias.

    I think everyone else can see what a lying sack of #@*! Corvanus is. Since he’s too stupid to understand on his own:

    1 Corvanus has admitted that he isn’t balancing out his criticism of the right, here at The Unz Review, with criticism of the left, somewhere else.

    2 Here at TUR, Corvanus does not make even a pretense of balancing out his criticism of the right with an equal amount of criticism of the left (as far as I can tell, he doesn’t make an effort to balance out his criticism of the right with any criticism of the left). He is nowhere near even making a credible attempt to do so. All of his criticism here, insofar as it falls on the “criticism of left or right” continuum, is criticism of the right.

    1 + 2 = 3, Corvanus doesn’t criticize the left here on TUR, even though he is certainly free to do so, because he is a leftist, not because he is a moderate. He keeps making this ridiculous assertion about his being moderate; I was going to call what he “strikes” a “pose,” but it isn’t even that – “pose” implies something beyond mere words. Even “mere words” implies something beyond what he has done to give any credibility to his bogus assertions of “moderation” and “balance.”

    “P.S., what’s your take on the Palestine-Israel “conflict”?”

    That’s easy. Da Joos are to blame for everything.

    And, he punts on first down, coward that he is. Like I said, no guts at all. Maybe that’s what he means by “moderate.” Or maybe he means “more concerned with the alt-right than with the Palestine-Israel conflict.” Yeah, that really screams “moderate,” and “middle America,” and “not fringe.” I’m sure that’s why Hussein just abstained from vetoing a UN resolution on the alt-right, Kerry just gave a speech about it, etc. It’s why the establishment has been obsessed with the alt-right since the Yom Kippur War.

    The evidence suggests that there are radical right sites and radical left sites that desire echo chambers by moderating their comments.

    The evidence suggests that the left starts out with the hatred for free speech very close to the middle, and gets worse from there. The evidence also suggests that Corvanus is a lying sack of #@*!.

    “And keep in mind, you’re comparing sites like HuffPo, Daily Kos, and Think Progress with Unz.com. The former are waaaaay less fringey than Unz.com.”

    Both espouse positions outside of the mainstream. Both are subject to ridicule by “cucks”.

    Huffpo, Daily Kos, and Think Progress get waaaay more eyeballs than TUR. TUR is much further from the political norm than any of those sites. Corvanus is pointing to far more mainstream sites for his examples of the leftist “fringe” (and still managing to make the left look like intolerant bigots, congrats). That he would imply some kind of equivalence shows how stupid he is, and puts his idea of “balance” into context.

    I hate lying sacks of #@*! like Corvanus. Always have. It goes way beyond anything to do with politics. And to be so stupid, incompetent, boring, and uninteresting a liar just adds insult to injury.

    P.S., Note how rarely I criticize anyone here in this fashion. I reserve it for the lowest specimens. Because it’s the intellectual equivalent of taking out the trash, or flushing the toilet. For example, I never tell any of the local Hasbarists to just go away. Actually, that may be the real problem – competent, interesting liars can be worthy sparring partners, and exposing their lies can be entertaining. But with the likes of Corvanus, all I can do is hold my nose, flush, and hope it goes away.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Svigor

    Thanks for showing how you are more than capable of being unhinged.

    "Huffpo, Daily Kos, and Think Progress get waaaay more eyeballs than TUR. TUR is much further from the political norm than any of those sites."

    It has little to do with traffic to their websites, but content. Those sources are radical left. A number of the blog contributors here are radical right. In both cases, as you have clearly demonstrated, they are echo chambers. When was the last time you challenged their views as well as your own positions?

    "Here at TUR, Corvanus does not make even a pretense of balancing out his criticism of the right with an equal amount of criticism of the left (as far as I can tell, he doesn’t make an effort to balance out his criticism of the right with any criticism of the left)"

    So its about equality of criticism? Don't you realize there is no such thing as equality? Haven't you been paying close attention?

    "Just now, when he admitted they’re anti-free-speech, to cover his ass on his laughable assertions of his “moderation."

    Free speech has never been "free". There are positive and negative consequences. Furthermore, websites such as Weasel Zippers, The Conservative Treehouse, and Vox Day have also purged alternative views in the past. Anti-free speech is not exclusively a leftist cause, but an endeavor undertaken by individuals who have a particular ideology.

    , @Clyde
    @Svigor

    You give him far too much credit. Corv is a blockhead.....dense.

  227. Corvanus: too stupid to learn basic HTML so he can use blockquotes, too stupid to use logic, too stupid to be interesting, too tiresome to argue with, too venal to inspire mercy.

    Funny: the first time I ever noticed Corvanus criticizing the left? Just now, when he admitted they’re anti-free-speech, to cover his ass on his laughable assertions of his “moderation.”

    • Replies: @Anonymous Nephew
    @Svigor

    I repeat myself - 'debating' him is the biggest waste of time on a computer since Win 3.0 came with bundled Solitaire.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Solitaire

  228. @Corvinus
    @David In TN

    Of course there are black serial killers. I read the book. I was intrigued at the author's crime stories, yet irritated because he place gangsters under the blanket term of “serial killers”. It was clear the author was sickened by white on black AND black on white acts of depravity. Regarding his claim there are more black serial killers per capita in black America than there are white serial killers in white America, there are discrepancies.

    http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/1088767905280080

    “It is well known that definitional problems plague this area of research (Keeney & Hyde, 1994; Petee & Jarvis, 2000). In this study, we follow many other authors (e.g., Egger, 1998; Fox & Levin, 2001; Hickey, 1997) who define a serial killer as a person who kills three or more individuals in separate events and who is motivated by various combinations of hedonism, sexual lust, desire for power and dominance, and/or misplaced missionary zeal to rid the world of “undesirables.” In other words, serial killing is viewed as an expressive crime rather than an instrumental crime. Not included in this definition are those whose murders are motivated by financial gain or by various criminal enterprises (such as gangland wars, hit men, revenge killings, “Bluebeard” killings, and so forth), or committed by groups for religious or political reasons, such as those committed by the Death Angels. We omit these groups because we do not know which of their members qualifies as a serial killer according to our criteria. Robert Rozier is the only member of any of these groups with a verified victim count (Rozier is included in our sample). Although most researchers exclude such cases, these limitations would not be acceptable to all. The data for this study were derived from a variety of sources. Unfortunately, no comprehensive list of serial killers exists that would enable researchers to arrive at a precise answer to the question of racial or ethnic proportionality among serial killers. One has to rely on a variety of secondary sources for data of this type."

    "This one isn’t heard as often now with most of the serial killers surfacing the last dozen years or so (The Grim Sleeper, Westside Rapist, Cleveland strangler, etc) being black."

    Some, not most.

    Replies: @David In TN

    “Of course, there are black serial killers.”

    Thanks for admitting you are wrong. I read the link you provided years ago.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @David In TN

    "Thanks for admitting you are wrong. I read the link you provided years ago."

    Unless you are able to show me where I had stated that blacks were incapable of being serial killers, you are demonstrating your chops at creating a Fake News Story.

  229. @David In TN
    @Corvinus

    "Of course, there are black serial killers."

    Thanks for admitting you are wrong. I read the link you provided years ago.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Thanks for admitting you are wrong. I read the link you provided years ago.”

    Unless you are able to show me where I had stated that blacks were incapable of being serial killers, you are demonstrating your chops at creating a Fake News Story.

  230. @Svigor

    Except you find time to respond to my posts. Apparently I’m other than boring.
     
    Taking out the trash and flushing the toilet is boring, but I still find time to do it. Corvanus might be the only person in America too stupid to understand something so obvious, or to predict so obvious a response.

    I strike balance and moderation here, that’s what most importance. You, on the other hand, are still mired in your own confirmation bias.
     
    I think everyone else can see what a lying sack of #@*! Corvanus is. Since he's too stupid to understand on his own:

    1 Corvanus has admitted that he isn't balancing out his criticism of the right, here at The Unz Review, with criticism of the left, somewhere else.

    2 Here at TUR, Corvanus does not make even a pretense of balancing out his criticism of the right with an equal amount of criticism of the left (as far as I can tell, he doesn't make an effort to balance out his criticism of the right with any criticism of the left). He is nowhere near even making a credible attempt to do so. All of his criticism here, insofar as it falls on the "criticism of left or right" continuum, is criticism of the right.

    1 + 2 = 3, Corvanus doesn't criticize the left here on TUR, even though he is certainly free to do so, because he is a leftist, not because he is a moderate. He keeps making this ridiculous assertion about his being moderate; I was going to call what he "strikes" a "pose," but it isn't even that - "pose" implies something beyond mere words. Even "mere words" implies something beyond what he has done to give any credibility to his bogus assertions of "moderation" and "balance."


    “P.S., what’s your take on the Palestine-Israel “conflict”?”

    That’s easy. Da Joos are to blame for everything.
     

    And, he punts on first down, coward that he is. Like I said, no guts at all. Maybe that's what he means by "moderate." Or maybe he means "more concerned with the alt-right than with the Palestine-Israel conflict." Yeah, that really screams "moderate," and "middle America," and "not fringe." I'm sure that's why Hussein just abstained from vetoing a UN resolution on the alt-right, Kerry just gave a speech about it, etc. It's why the establishment has been obsessed with the alt-right since the Yom Kippur War.

    The evidence suggests that there are radical right sites and radical left sites that desire echo chambers by moderating their comments.
     
    The evidence suggests that the left starts out with the hatred for free speech very close to the middle, and gets worse from there. The evidence also suggests that Corvanus is a lying sack of #@*!.

    “And keep in mind, you’re comparing sites like HuffPo, Daily Kos, and Think Progress with Unz.com. The former are waaaaay less fringey than Unz.com.”

    Both espouse positions outside of the mainstream. Both are subject to ridicule by “cucks”.
     

    Huffpo, Daily Kos, and Think Progress get waaaay more eyeballs than TUR. TUR is much further from the political norm than any of those sites. Corvanus is pointing to far more mainstream sites for his examples of the leftist "fringe" (and still managing to make the left look like intolerant bigots, congrats). That he would imply some kind of equivalence shows how stupid he is, and puts his idea of "balance" into context.

    I hate lying sacks of #@*! like Corvanus. Always have. It goes way beyond anything to do with politics. And to be so stupid, incompetent, boring, and uninteresting a liar just adds insult to injury.

    P.S., Note how rarely I criticize anyone here in this fashion. I reserve it for the lowest specimens. Because it's the intellectual equivalent of taking out the trash, or flushing the toilet. For example, I never tell any of the local Hasbarists to just go away. Actually, that may be the real problem - competent, interesting liars can be worthy sparring partners, and exposing their lies can be entertaining. But with the likes of Corvanus, all I can do is hold my nose, flush, and hope it goes away.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Clyde

    Thanks for showing how you are more than capable of being unhinged.

    “Huffpo, Daily Kos, and Think Progress get waaaay more eyeballs than TUR. TUR is much further from the political norm than any of those sites.”

    It has little to do with traffic to their websites, but content. Those sources are radical left. A number of the blog contributors here are radical right. In both cases, as you have clearly demonstrated, they are echo chambers. When was the last time you challenged their views as well as your own positions?

    “Here at TUR, Corvanus does not make even a pretense of balancing out his criticism of the right with an equal amount of criticism of the left (as far as I can tell, he doesn’t make an effort to balance out his criticism of the right with any criticism of the left)”

    So its about equality of criticism? Don’t you realize there is no such thing as equality? Haven’t you been paying close attention?

    “Just now, when he admitted they’re anti-free-speech, to cover his ass on his laughable assertions of his “moderation.”

    Free speech has never been “free”. There are positive and negative consequences. Furthermore, websites such as Weasel Zippers, The Conservative Treehouse, and Vox Day have also purged alternative views in the past. Anti-free speech is not exclusively a leftist cause, but an endeavor undertaken by individuals who have a particular ideology.

  231. Not quite. It is clear I am more balanced and moderate compared to you. Congratulations.

    This one is so dull and boring, all I need in reply is aphorism:

    “And moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue. Moderation in the protection of liberty is no virtue; extremism in the defense of freedom is no vice.”

  232. Thanks for showing how you are more than capable of being unhinged.

    You’re more than welcome. If you say please, I may flush you a second time.

    It has little to do with traffic to their websites, but content. Those sources are radical left. A number of the blog contributors here are radical right. In both cases, as you have clearly demonstrated, they are echo chambers. When was the last time you challenged their views as well as your own positions?

    Dumbass, traffic has a lot to do with how mainstream or fringey something is. You dolt. The radical left is a lot bigger thing than the radical right. One might expect a moderate to know that…

    So its about equality of criticism? Don’t you realize there is no such thing as equality? Haven’t you been paying close attention?

    Equal time, yes, that would be the balanced, moderate approach. Yours is the leftist approach. But it’s good that you admit your bullshit is bullshit. *Flush*

    Anti-free speech is not exclusively a leftist cause

    Nope, just overwhelmingly a leftist and “moderate” one.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Svigor

    "The radical left is a lot bigger thing than the radical right."

    It's mere opinion on your part. You're going to have to conduct research and actually prove it.

    "I’ll just stick to abusing him. It’s much quicker, and more appropriate, to boot."

    If that makes you feelz better, go for it. Although Christians like yourself neglect to go down that path.

  233. “More than capable of being unhinged.” Jesus, there really is no end to your ponderous plodding insipid leaden drudgery. Every human being on the planet is capable of being unhinged.

  234. @Svigor
    Corvanus: too stupid to learn basic HTML so he can use blockquotes, too stupid to use logic, too stupid to be interesting, too tiresome to argue with, too venal to inspire mercy.

    Funny: the first time I ever noticed Corvanus criticizing the left? Just now, when he admitted they're anti-free-speech, to cover his ass on his laughable assertions of his "moderation."

    Replies: @Anonymous Nephew

    I repeat myself – ‘debating’ him is the biggest waste of time on a computer since Win 3.0 came with bundled Solitaire.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Solitaire

  235. I stopped debating him a good while back. I’ll just stick to abusing him. It’s much quicker, and more appropriate, to boot.

    Likewise a leftist academic or SJW student can claim to be for gay rights but support boycotts of Israel to benefit Arabs who currently have the death penalty for gays, or like Reggae music which calls for the murder of gays, and again they believe that the concept of intersectionality immunizes them from the logical incompatibility.

    Better that they support Israel, home of modern ethnic supremacy, and best friend of diaspora Jewry, who are the worst enemy of (other white peoples’) ethnic supremacy. No contradictions there.

    Or better yet, they could just tolerate Israel, home of modern ethnic supremacy, and best friend of diaspora Jewry, who are the least tolerant of (other white peoples’) ethnic supremacy. No contradictions there, either.

  236. @Svigor

    Thanks for showing how you are more than capable of being unhinged.
     
    You're more than welcome. If you say please, I may flush you a second time.

    It has little to do with traffic to their websites, but content. Those sources are radical left. A number of the blog contributors here are radical right. In both cases, as you have clearly demonstrated, they are echo chambers. When was the last time you challenged their views as well as your own positions?
     
    Dumbass, traffic has a lot to do with how mainstream or fringey something is. You dolt. The radical left is a lot bigger thing than the radical right. One might expect a moderate to know that...

    So its about equality of criticism? Don’t you realize there is no such thing as equality? Haven’t you been paying close attention?
     
    Equal time, yes, that would be the balanced, moderate approach. Yours is the leftist approach. But it's good that you admit your bullshit is bullshit. *Flush*

    Anti-free speech is not exclusively a leftist cause
     
    Nope, just overwhelmingly a leftist and "moderate" one.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “The radical left is a lot bigger thing than the radical right.”

    It’s mere opinion on your part. You’re going to have to conduct research and actually prove it.

    “I’ll just stick to abusing him. It’s much quicker, and more appropriate, to boot.”

    If that makes you feelz better, go for it. Although Christians like yourself neglect to go down that path.

  237. “Prove it to me,” came the soporific mantra in reply. You’re a broken record with that “cite sources for obvious shit” thing. Why? Why would I prove anything to a liar who will just lie about having had something proven to him?

    Show me one time you have acknowledged something significant that you have had proven to you by a rightist here. Otherwise, I’ll assume you wouldn’t acknowledge it, if it did happen. You congenital liar, you.

  238. @Svigor

    Except you find time to respond to my posts. Apparently I’m other than boring.
     
    Taking out the trash and flushing the toilet is boring, but I still find time to do it. Corvanus might be the only person in America too stupid to understand something so obvious, or to predict so obvious a response.

    I strike balance and moderation here, that’s what most importance. You, on the other hand, are still mired in your own confirmation bias.
     
    I think everyone else can see what a lying sack of #@*! Corvanus is. Since he's too stupid to understand on his own:

    1 Corvanus has admitted that he isn't balancing out his criticism of the right, here at The Unz Review, with criticism of the left, somewhere else.

    2 Here at TUR, Corvanus does not make even a pretense of balancing out his criticism of the right with an equal amount of criticism of the left (as far as I can tell, he doesn't make an effort to balance out his criticism of the right with any criticism of the left). He is nowhere near even making a credible attempt to do so. All of his criticism here, insofar as it falls on the "criticism of left or right" continuum, is criticism of the right.

    1 + 2 = 3, Corvanus doesn't criticize the left here on TUR, even though he is certainly free to do so, because he is a leftist, not because he is a moderate. He keeps making this ridiculous assertion about his being moderate; I was going to call what he "strikes" a "pose," but it isn't even that - "pose" implies something beyond mere words. Even "mere words" implies something beyond what he has done to give any credibility to his bogus assertions of "moderation" and "balance."


    “P.S., what’s your take on the Palestine-Israel “conflict”?”

    That’s easy. Da Joos are to blame for everything.
     

    And, he punts on first down, coward that he is. Like I said, no guts at all. Maybe that's what he means by "moderate." Or maybe he means "more concerned with the alt-right than with the Palestine-Israel conflict." Yeah, that really screams "moderate," and "middle America," and "not fringe." I'm sure that's why Hussein just abstained from vetoing a UN resolution on the alt-right, Kerry just gave a speech about it, etc. It's why the establishment has been obsessed with the alt-right since the Yom Kippur War.

    The evidence suggests that there are radical right sites and radical left sites that desire echo chambers by moderating their comments.
     
    The evidence suggests that the left starts out with the hatred for free speech very close to the middle, and gets worse from there. The evidence also suggests that Corvanus is a lying sack of #@*!.

    “And keep in mind, you’re comparing sites like HuffPo, Daily Kos, and Think Progress with Unz.com. The former are waaaaay less fringey than Unz.com.”

    Both espouse positions outside of the mainstream. Both are subject to ridicule by “cucks”.
     

    Huffpo, Daily Kos, and Think Progress get waaaay more eyeballs than TUR. TUR is much further from the political norm than any of those sites. Corvanus is pointing to far more mainstream sites for his examples of the leftist "fringe" (and still managing to make the left look like intolerant bigots, congrats). That he would imply some kind of equivalence shows how stupid he is, and puts his idea of "balance" into context.

    I hate lying sacks of #@*! like Corvanus. Always have. It goes way beyond anything to do with politics. And to be so stupid, incompetent, boring, and uninteresting a liar just adds insult to injury.

    P.S., Note how rarely I criticize anyone here in this fashion. I reserve it for the lowest specimens. Because it's the intellectual equivalent of taking out the trash, or flushing the toilet. For example, I never tell any of the local Hasbarists to just go away. Actually, that may be the real problem - competent, interesting liars can be worthy sparring partners, and exposing their lies can be entertaining. But with the likes of Corvanus, all I can do is hold my nose, flush, and hope it goes away.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Clyde

    You give him far too much credit. Corv is a blockhead…..dense.

  239. You give him far too much credit. Corv is a blockhead…..dense.

    Have I somehow given the impression that I think otherwise? I’ve stated over and over how stupid he is, relative to the mean of TUR (let’s be real, he’s not stupid in the general sense – more like “average.”). But he’s also a lying sack of scheisse.

    I’ve had it with this guy. I’ve had it with his spam and his mendacity. I’m going to harass him wherever I find him. Time for him to slink away and join the anons.

  240. “I’m going to harass him wherever I find him.”

    And now any semblance of your Christian sensibilities are thrown out the window. If you have to make yourself feelz better to “harass” me because you have unilaterally decided I am a “liar”, then you are no different than an SJW in their mindset and approach.

    Best wishes to your endeavor.

  241. Corvanus can call me off by ceasing in his dishonest blather. He should stop padding out his comments (a sign of intellectual mediocrity) with stupid scheisse like “unilaterally” above; nobody here is taking decisions by committee. He should stop using double standards (opponents must prove their points, but his arguments are already proven, and opponents are expected disprove them). He should stop making demanding things of people that he will not reciprocate. He should stop posing as a moderate. Etc. In short, he should stop being such an asshole, and clean up his act; it’s a mess.

    And now any semblance of your Christian sensibilities are thrown out the window.

    *Svigor puts on his Corvanus hat, begins talking slowly through his nose* That’s just your opinion. You’ll have to do the research and prove your point.

    If you have to make yourself feelz better to “harass” me because you have unilaterally decided I am a “liar”, then you are no different than an SJW in their mindset and approach.

    *Continuing to drone on like Snuffalupagus* That’s just your opinion. You’ll have to do the research and prove your point.

    Does Corvanus begin to see how tiresome he is?

  242. There’s another of Corvanus’ leftist tics: he’s anti-Christian. He never calls anybody out for failing to live up to their Judaism, their Islam. He only criticizes Christians and Christianity, never Jews or Judaism, Islam and Muslims, etc.

  243. @Almost Missouri
    @utu

    If you check into the police report,

    http://kstp.com/kstpImages/repository/cs/files/University%20of%20Minnesota%20Police%20Department%20Redacted%204.pdf

    you will find that some of the accused had some cell phone video of the incident, which evidence was highly exculpatory of rape for them and highly inculpatory of skankiness for the accuser.

    Not that this sheds any glory on the football players, so the University isn't wrong to bounce them, but neither is the state wrong not to prosecute. Lately the DA seems to be having second thoughts though, so we'll see.

    Overall, it looks like a case of what Derbyshire calls "Narrative Convergence" when two of the Left's false consciousnesses converge on each other. In this case it is the Blacks-Are-Always-Unjustly-Accused narrative converging on the All-Rape-Claims-Are-Always-True narrative.

    Perhaps one could argue (though I would not) that if the football players had been white, this could have been another Brock Turner case. The differences are that in the Turner case the witnesses described the woman as being more unconscious, while at U Minn, the video showed her conscious and complicit. On the other hand, with Turner there wasn't actual sex, while U Minn was. So YMMV. Comparative jurisprudence is tricky.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    I should have said it’s “a case of what Derbyshire calls “Narrative Collision” when two of the Left’s false consciousnesses collide with each other.”

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