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Whatever happened to globalism? Can Democrats read these wacky xenophobic takes with a straight face?
I guess they must. But still …
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Finally, some foreigners the Washington Post is willing to vilify!
When Israel and Mexico interfere heavily in the US political process, neo-leftists and pseudo-conservatives celebrate. When Russia interferes even slightly, they act like it’s worth starting another world war.
What smart candidate would accept advice from a foreigner-not for patriotic or legal reasons, but for practical reasons.
One reason Bibi’s been in power so long is that Labor’s been getting electoral ‘help’ from various hostile Dem administrations (notably Obama’s), the State Dept. and JStreet.
When they help my side, I prefer to refer to them as undocumented campaign advisors.
As the article is intended, this makes zero sense whatsoever. Prior to Trump throwing his hat in the reign, GOP foreign policy orthodoxy decreed that we respond with maximum aggression at all times to all potential rivals, no matter what sort of incoherence or policy contradictions this caused, as Jeb Bush’s positions on Syria during the debates should have made clear. There was plenty of disgust among the GOP base for Conservatism Inc in 2014 that would eventually lead to Trump, to be sure, but there also was in 2010, and 2006. Prior to Trump, they didn’t have an effective weapon to voice their concerns, and as a result, the GOP’s victories in 2014 were more due to Obama’s sharp unpopularity and visibly dysfunctional Presidency at the time. Why would Russia have backed candidates that… advocated neocon-nuttery in Ukraine or military intervention against Assad?
Where the article comes closer to the mark, however unintentionally, is how Congressmen and Senators have always regularly influenced by foreign donors in modern times, often in a disturbing fashion. But this is far from limited to the GOP, nor did it become a thing in 2014: although the problem definitely goes back before then, the 1990s was when foreign influence in our politics became truly toxic.
OT: but Bolton? Really? The unreconstructed fanatic who was too extreme for the neocon team back in the Bush II days? Heaven help us all and a pox on on Trump. This should prove, more than anything else, how absolutely impressionable and malleable this man is.
Liberalism = unending unprincipled exceptions.
There is no carveout they won’t perform for themselves. Of course there’s a place and a time for liberal xenophobia!
They build walls around their property, they live in lilly white neighborhoods, they own guns or they hire guys with guns, they send their kids to private schools, they fly around the world and burn massive fossil fuels etc.
They live their personal lives as conservatives. They just don’t want you to live your life as a conservative. They don’t want you to be able to conserve anything.
Almost every day the media tells us about another outrageous thing that was just okey-dokey with them a few years back, or vice versa.
Facebook. The Russians. Extramarital sex. Foreigners. Delegitimizing the President. Rejecting the results of the election.
Who believes these people anymore? Anybody?
When the Russians first came up, I actually read the NYT articles.
As the hysteria ramped up, even looking at the NYT site “triggered” me. But I still felt I should read it.
Then it just became a bore. All these breathless articles and yet they never delivered. They still haven’t.
This is amusing. We have government funded institutions whose sole purpose to overthrow governments and regimes we don’t like such the NDI, IRI, FPI, All ostensibly meant to foster Democracy around the world but really meant to install American controlled puppet regimes.
Everyone knows this except most Americans.
As to foreigners interfering with our elected officials. Well the WaPo neglected the Saudis who have massive influence within congress along with the Bush family. The Chinese who control several important political families such as the McConnells and Clintons(they are also owned by the Saudis ).
Yet no one complains about this. Oh that’s right they properly bribe our congressmen and their families so that makes it okay. It’s like local city council members taking bribdes from socially acceptable groups like developers, real-estate agents, teachers unions as opposed to taking them from drug cartels and the mafia.
I found that in internet group discussions you can sometimes catch someone in an obvious, very serious, logical contradiction with no way out. It’s extremely rare that anyone admits a problem with their position. You get one of two responses: either a furious, out of control, ad-hominem attack, or a contemptuous dismissal that basically is laughing at you for thinking this is a logical debate.
There's no such thing as "debate." There's no such thing as confronting somebody on his way to the pub and winning a sincere conversion. The Wired is a tremendous improvement over cracked shouting because it creates a permanent record available to others and allows for easy checking.
Foreigners advising elections? How outrageous! Everyone knows they’re only supposed to actually vote in elections!
Facebook. The Russians. Extramarital sex. Foreigners. Delegitimizing the President. Rejecting the results of the election.
Who believes these people anymore? Anybody?Replies: @Mishra, @Frau Katze
Studies show that most people believe what they’re told to believe.
OMG!!! Thank God for Cambridge Analytica. Think of the facebook user data manipulations rotting in the field.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/texas-parents-poured-hot-oil-daughter-refusing-marriage-article-1.3895613
Probably not the foreigners they had in mind..
Uh huh. Texan for sure – Texan, by the way, is the adjectival form of Texas; a Texan parent is a parent of or from Texas; a Texan who is also parent. I don't know what in the Hell a "Texas parent" is other than evidence of illiteracy. Not even laziness can be blamed, because it's exactly the same number of keystrokes to type "Texan" or "Texas." This trend toward stupidity, abandoning adjectives for nouns, is now ubiquitous among ostensibly professional writers. I especially like how people are now "Lead Actors" or "Lead Engineers" and such – those people must be damned heavy, and you'd better be careful not to shake hands with them too often, lest your nervous system become affected.Replies: @Grace Jones
Bolton has many positive qualities, including personal loyalty. I assume Trump has hired himself a bad cop which will allow him to present a much more genial persona when he meets Un et al.
Doublethink is the act of simultaneously accepting two mutually contradictory beliefs as correct, often in distinct social contexts.
Doublethink is related to, but differs from, hypocrisy and neutrality. Doublethink is notable due to a lack of cognitive dissonance—thus the person is completely unaware of any conflict or contradiction.
Facebook. The Russians. Extramarital sex. Foreigners. Delegitimizing the President. Rejecting the results of the election.
Who believes these people anymore? Anybody?Replies: @Mishra, @Frau Katze
It’s getting to be a bore.
When the Russians first came up, I actually read the NYT articles.
As the hysteria ramped up, even looking at the NYT site “triggered” me. But I still felt I should read it.
Then it just became a bore. All these breathless articles and yet they never delivered. They still haven’t.
Now that is funny! But I’ve used up my button clicks.
One reason Bibi's been in power so long is that Labor's been getting electoral 'help' from various hostile Dem administrations (notably Obama's), the State Dept. and JStreet.Replies: @Alden
I thought the chosen took over the state dept a long time ago? Maybe I’m wrong.
If only those foreigners had voted for Hillary, it would have been perfectly kosher…
It’s fun being a prog. Everything is always exactly what they say it is
You do X, it’s xenophobia. They do X, it’s not. Haha
See this penis? It’s a vagina now. Debate is over, nazi.
Lot of giggles & glee watching the right earnestly struggle and rage against this stuff
The right = endless supply of straightmen for the same gag
The people moaning loudest about this are the ones who won’t miss an episode of Downton Abbey.
Last month the Sanders campaign paid a $15,000 fine to the FEC for using Australian campaign volunteers that were being paid by the Australian Labor Party. Apparently, it’s only the getting paid part that makes it illegal since in paying the fine, Sanders’ office released the statement, “During the course of the campaign thousands and thousands of young people from every state and many other countries volunteered…”
The FEC didn’t uncover this, of course, but some local watchdog group got undercover recordings of the Australians boasting about their role, which as I recall involved pulling down other candidates signs.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/bernie-sanders-campaign-to-pay-fine-to-fec-regarding-contributions-from-australians
Since we’re on the topic, is the NSA still sharing raw surveillance data with Israel?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2013/09/11/the-nsa-is-sharing-data-with-israel-before-filtering-out-americans-information/?utm_term=.006d2f93cc20
ingesting and internalizing the propaganda of tribal leaders is a defining characteristic of homo sapiens…logic does not come into play in this arena
I don’t know where you find these discussions anymore. The only sites still allowing comments it seems are right-wing. I miss The Atlantic, sigh…
They’re right. Logical debates are things that happen among civilized men from the same tribe, or in some cases different tribes in the same in-group.
You contribute $25M to a campaign, you get some sway over choice for national security advisor. Not much optimism from me regarding this choice – basically boils down to Trump warning Bolton to “not get him involved in a war”.
Yes you’re wrong. The State Dept has been known as a bastion of “Arabists” (look it up) since the 50s.
Strangely enough, WaPo is totally cool with foreigners monitoring our elections for us.
I recall candidate Trump proudly stating that he did not need their money and that is why they would not like him because he would not be under their control.
I’d love to take your wonderful, spot-on comment and, to paraphrase the late great Vince Lombardi, shove it up Paul Ryan’s arse!
WaPo’s ugly xenophobia should have no place in America. It is time for journalist fraternity to stand up and condemn WaPo’s vile propaganda.
Loyalty to whom? Loyalty to what?
By the way, what are those other qualities?
Other positive qualities include: experience in successfully navigating a hostile bureaucracy, public charisma, energy, thick skin.Replies: @Mr. Anon
After securing the nomination, he took campaign contributions. And the predictable results now follow.
Probably not the foreigners they had in mind..Replies: @Autochthon
“Texas [sic*] parents” Abdulah Fahmi Al Hishmawi … and Hamdiyah Saha Al Hishmawi. Yessir, as Texan as Sam Houston and Crystal Bernard.
Uh huh. Texan for sure – Texan, by the way, is the adjectival form of Texas; a Texan parent is a parent of or from Texas; a Texan who is also parent. I don’t know what in the Hell a “Texas parent” is other than evidence of illiteracy. Not even laziness can be blamed, because it’s exactly the same number of keystrokes to type “Texan” or “Texas.” This trend toward stupidity, abandoning adjectives for nouns, is now ubiquitous among ostensibly professional writers. I especially like how people are now “Lead Actors” or “Lead Engineers” and such – those people must be damned heavy, and you’d better be careful not to shake hands with them too often, lest your nervous system become affected.
In general, your claim is truthful. It does make a difference how you point out their logical contradiction though. If you do it humbly, you’re more likely to [but certainly not guaranteed to] get a humble response. If you do it with a smug, “gotcha” attitude, their egos will almost certainly not permit them to admit you’re right.
But yes, hypocrisy and dishonesty is part of the default human nature. This is why I generally don’t get particularly saddened when I hear about strangers meeting unpleasant and/or untimely demises.
Examples?
I see Steve is not amenable to the new speech laws. The term is “international,” not foreign. I’ll bet he still says “sex,” not “gender,” too.
It’s quite amusing to me to see BLACK come back again after decades of AFRICAN AMERICAN. There’s probably a ton of examples of this.
Interpersonal loyalty.
Other positive qualities include: experience in successfully navigating a hostile bureaucracy, public charisma, energy, thick skin.
Our president just expelled 60 foreigners, Russians, because he is falling for every neocon, globalist, false flag trick that comes along…
That double agent and his daughter probably died from British cuisine.
That double agent and his daughter probably died from British cuisine.
http://www.jeffhead.com/images/downflag.jpgReplies: @istevefan
The neocons/globalists are like the kid on the playground who was always exhorting others, “let’s you and him fight!”
Sorry – I can’t give specific examples. This was from participating in debates eg about the JFK assassination on internet news groups from about 1994 to 2003: Usenet, then Deja News and finally Google news. Google still has reams of these old posts (I just found out), but it’s far too much material to troll through for good examples. I was mostly interested in how useful the internet would be for sorting out controversial political questions. The results were mixed. My impression was that the people who got angry were sincere, but experiencing cognitive dissonance, while the contemptuous ones were consciously deceptive. My final conclusion was that the debates were useful, but only for playing to the lurkers. The active combatants are almost never swayed by the arguments. Also, a la Trump, it’s good to be a little bit careless in communication – if you give a long, polished presentation it sinks like a stone. If you leave a few rough edges open for attack, you can get a long interesting thread going.
It’s really simple. The foreigners are those who are not “who we are.”
The teeming poor masses yearning to be beholden to the administrative state, er, free, are who we are.
Reactionaries foreign and domestic, we aren’t.
He’s trying to patch a leak-filled ship with a man who can take orders and STFU. I’m in.
That does not quite gel with our responses to international crises since the 1950s with respect to our unwavering support for Israel.
Percy Gryce was on this case a year ago:
https://www.unz.com/isteve/obama-endorses-outsider-macron/?highlight=globalists#comment-1860686
Russia? What Russia? Cambridge Analytica is a British company.
Cambridge Analytica sent Brits to advise the Brexit campaign.
Does anyone in meatspace change their weltanschauung when you interrupt their noodle hour?
There’s no such thing as “debate.” There’s no such thing as confronting somebody on his way to the pub and winning a sincere conversion. The Wired is a tremendous improvement over cracked shouting because it creates a permanent record available to others and allows for easy checking.
Uh huh. Texan for sure – Texan, by the way, is the adjectival form of Texas; a Texan parent is a parent of or from Texas; a Texan who is also parent. I don't know what in the Hell a "Texas parent" is other than evidence of illiteracy. Not even laziness can be blamed, because it's exactly the same number of keystrokes to type "Texan" or "Texas." This trend toward stupidity, abandoning adjectives for nouns, is now ubiquitous among ostensibly professional writers. I especially like how people are now "Lead Actors" or "Lead Engineers" and such – those people must be damned heavy, and you'd better be careful not to shake hands with them too often, lest your nervous system become affected.Replies: @Grace Jones
Nobody would look twice if it was “Wisconsin parents.” I’m not even sure what the Wisconsin equivalent of “Texan” is, because nobody uses it. Wisconsinite? Sconian? I think you’re too picky.
Wisconsinite.
The critical point I make again and again in this comment and others like it is these people are (ostensibly) professional writers: journalists, columnists, etc. These people are not engineers or scientists who are good at their primary competency but bad at writing grants or reports about their work in the laboratory. Their failure to pay attention to grammar, punctuation, composition, and so forth falls squarely within the rubric of “you had one job…” What’s more, it is often, as it is here, not mere incompetence, but a willful effort to obfuscate. The subjects of the piece were neither Texas parents nor Texan parents, any way you slice it: they are savage foreigners in Texas.
My take on Bolton is: he is in redemption mode. He can finally absolve himself from the guilt of his bad decisions during the Bush era. With Trump, he will try to re-direct what he should have pushed for long ago. I dunno…but he has a shelf life, fortunately, tick-tock-tick-tock. In fact, I enjoy the shelf-life of all of Trump’s appointees. They all have to deliver or be eliminated off of Trump island.
Other positive qualities include: experience in successfully navigating a hostile bureaucracy, public charisma, energy, thick skin.Replies: @Mr. Anon
To quote Gordon Gekko: You want a friend, get a dog.
Really? His own party sidelined him during the Bush administration because of rumors about his previous sex life. He couldn’t even navigate a friendly bureaucracy.
Yeah, nothing says “charisma” like a Ned Flanders/Bob Keeshan mustache.
You forgot to mention “swinging”.
The things you consider qualities are………………..interesting.
Ridiculous. That hasn’t been true since the 80s or early 90s. What the State Department is a bastion of now is………….homosexuals (at least, that’s what I’ve heard).
Try since the 1970s. While I've read plenty about purported Arabists and purported anti-Jewish FSOs in the 1930s, 1940s, and perhaps 1950s, there have been a ton of Jews at State since that time - far more than any Arab specialists certainly during my time from the mid '80s to the early '90s.
As far as at present, I believe State is the perfect picture of the proverbial swamp, and every traitor there ought to be forever submerged.
“probably died from British cuisine”
IIRC they’d shared a mussel dish, I think paella.
http://sciencenordic.com/new-way-detecting-toxic-mussels
The FEC didn't uncover this, of course, but some local watchdog group got undercover recordings of the Australians boasting about their role, which as I recall involved pulling down other candidates signs.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/bernie-sanders-campaign-to-pay-fine-to-fec-regarding-contributions-from-australiansReplies: @XAnon
There were a lot of ostensibly unpaid Brits on the Clinton campaign, too. I say ‘ostensibly’ because they seem to have been from the well-funded anti-Corbyn wing of the Labour Party, so it wouldn’t be too surprising if the bills were paid by some open-society org.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/lots-of-british-people-are-in-the-usa-campaigning-for-hillar
Interpersonal loyalty is probably the foundational virtue. If you don’t get that, you’re not the stuff civilisation is made of.
@55 Mr. Anon: “Ridiculous. That hasn’t been true since the 80s or early 90s. What the State Department is a bastion of now is………….homosexuals (at least, that’s what I’ve heard).”
Try since the 1970s. While I’ve read plenty about purported Arabists and purported anti-Jewish FSOs in the 1930s, 1940s, and perhaps 1950s, there have been a ton of Jews at State since that time – far more than any Arab specialists certainly during my time from the mid ’80s to the early ’90s.
As far as at present, I believe State is the perfect picture of the proverbial swamp, and every traitor there ought to be forever submerged.
Loyalty to your own people – your kin, your tribe – sure. Bolton doesn’t appear to be any of that. Loyalty to the leader who dispenses favors and elevates you to office? That is the basis of servility and empire.
What type of spergy ideologue doesn't immediately get that?
No, it means loyalty to people with whom you actually have a relationship. You know: family, community, friends…
What type of spergy ideologue doesn’t immediately get that?