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From the Washington Post opinion section:

Why can’t J.K. Rowling accept transgender people like me?

Transgender people embody the spirit of her magical world better than anyone

By Charlotte Clymer
Charlotte Clymer, a transgender woman and U.S. Army veteran, is a press secretary at the Human Rights Campaign. She lives in Washington, D.C.
Dec. 21, 2019 at 10:12 a.m. PST

In the magical world of Harry Potter, the justice-minded and rebellious adolescent characters drink something called “Polyjuice Potion” to temporarily take on the general appearance of other people, even those of entirely different anatomies and gender expressions. As a teenager, I remember reading this and thinking, “Oh God, I wish it were that easy.”

At the time, I was very much in the closet as a transgender girl with scarcely any vocabulary — not even the now familiar medicalizing term “gender dysphoria” — to explain to the adults in my life how I was in pain, and the world J.K. Rowling created offered escape.

It wasn’t the genre elements that appealed to me but the central message of courage in the face of evil and authenticity in the midst of urged conformity. Woven throughout the narrative is an insistence on love and community and integrity and inclusion, which is why it has broken my heart in recent years to see Rowling’s inexplicable replacement of justice-minded imagination with a bigotry-driven rejection of science and reality.

… In her tweet, Rowling effectively dismissed all of this, suggesting that Forstater was being fired for “stating that sex is real,” a common transphobic assertion that has been dismissed by medical experts and other scientists. …

Like many other trans folks, I had caught glimpses of much of this, but Burns’s precise summarization was a punch to the gut. …

Waking up Thursday morning to Rowling’s unequivocal defense of Forstater was searing. I felt foolish and betrayed. I felt guilty for not affirming my siblings in the trans and non-binary community who had the courage to speak out against her history with conviction. I thought of the numerous conversations I had navigated with other trans and non-binary people on Rowling’s history, nodding in agreement that, yes, she had been extremely problematic and hurtful and certainly engaged in casual transphobia, but I demurred at suggestions she was consciously bigoted. …

I’m magic!

After Rowling turned down an offer from the LGBTQ media organization GLAAD to have an off-the-record conversation with trans people that could potentially close this gap in understanding, I was left realizing that transgender people embody the magical world of Harry Potter better than almost anyone. If the root of Rowling’s books is the constant miracle of overcoming considerable odds with love and courage to negotiate hatred, trans people, who leave our homes every day into a world full of discrimination and violence against our bodies and souls, are the closest thing this world has to magic.

Here’s Miss Magic transplaining to a girl that the saying “sex is real” is a common transphobic assertion that has been dismissed by medical experts and other scientists:

 
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  1. Posts at iSteve with “Ex-Men” in the title (there have been nine so far), chronological:

    [MORE]

    Trans Ex-Men vs. Feminists in Slappy Fight at London’s Speaker’s Corner | STEVE SAILER • September 17, 2017 • 300 WORDS • 66 comments

    Why Do Late Onset Ex-Men Tend to be on the Right? | STEVE SAILER • January 17, 2019 • 300 words • 160 comments

    TERF Fight: In UK, Lesbian Feminists Are Allowed to Criticize Transgender Ex-Men. Disgusting! | STEVE SAILER • February 7, 2019 • 1,100 words • 159 comments

    Martina Navratilova Takes on the Ex-Men Lobby | STEVE SAILER • February 18, 2019 • 300 words • 114 comments

    AP: Haters Hate Stunning and Brave Ex-Men Jocks Taking Over Women’s Sport | STEVE SAILER • February 27, 2019 • 500 words • 190 comments

    The Toxic Masculinity of Ex-Men | STEVE SAILER • December 7, 2019 • 400 words • 80 comments

    Pushback Against Ex-Men Supremacy in the UK | STEVE SAILER • December 9, 2019 • 200 words • 59 comments

    And Then the Ex-Men Came for Harry Potter … | STEVE SAILER • December 19, 2019 • 500 words • 138 comments

    Washington Post: Ex-Men, Such as (To Pick a Random Example) ME, Are Magic | STEVE SAILER • December 21, 2019 • 500 words • comments ongoing

    • Replies: @orionyx
    It occurs to me that 'ex-men' is in its own way as unsatisfactory a phrase as 'trans-women'.

    There is a perfectly good English word for a man who has had his genitals shaved to the bone. That word is 'eunuch', which I propose we bring back into use. For those who only dress as women, we can use 'faux eunuch', or perhaps 'eunuch-inn-waiting'.
    This saves us from making one of two mistakes: that these are ex-men, for mutilated though they be, they are still men; and that these are any kind of woman, for no woman is a man.
    For the women who try to be men, we can reserve the phrase 'cross dressers', perhaps prefacing it with 'mutilated' if they have enjoyed the benefits of surgery.
  2. Is it just me, or do healthy, reproducing, traditional human populations appear more sexually dimorphic? I swear I can look at a conservative Christian group and the women look more curvy and the men more masculine.

    People in Austin literally look different than a group of sexy Christians in a small town.

    • Agree: TWS, nokangaroos
    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    In the US, the Southern women are hotter and more feminine than the Northern. This is probably related to what you say.
    , @Hypnotoad666

    Is it just me, or do healthy, reproducing, traditional human populations appear more sexually dimorphic?
     
    Having your sex hormones in balance probably makes you feel more "conservative," especially in terms of seeing the value of "vive la difference." On the other hand, people whose sexuality is misfiring in some way probably feel alienated. In particular, women who aren't attracted, or attractive, to men tend to gravitate toward a resentful "smash the patriarchy" ideology.
    , @Opression_4_U
    Austin vs College Station
    , @Bill
    Dunno. Most Christian men look less masculine than Charlotte Clymer.
    , @S. Anonyia
    The true believing Christians in the small towns are mostly fat past age 25, men and women alike. I’ve spent time in those places, trust me. If you’re imagining culturally conservative SEC type looking girls those are in suburbs like Peachtree City GA and Katy TX. Only someone from NYC or Chicago would consider those places small towns.
  3. What a most unconvincing picture.

    … In her tweet, Rowling effectively dismissed all of this, suggesting that Forstater was being fired for “stating that sex is real,” a common transphobic assertion that has been dismissed by medical experts and other scientists. …

    A sentence even more confused than Ms Social Clymer’s “sexuality”. Which assertion is being referred to? What exactly was dismissed by medical experts and other scientists?

    Are op-eds by non-professionals even edited these days?

    …the constant miracle of overcoming considerable odds with love and courage to negotiate hatred, trans people, who leave our homes every day into a world full of discrimination and violence against our bodies and souls…

    This person was in the Army? Hardly even sounds like the mean girls’ division of JROTC.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    Well, the men who actually won wars had problematic beliefs.
    , @Realist

    This person was in the Army?
     
    Yes, this country is screwed...but that has been obvious for a long time.
    , @Chris Renner
    Ehh, if Seal Team Six can produce a tranny, then no branch of the service can consider itself safe.

    Macho dudes with overactive sexual imaginations can accomplish a hell of a lot when they're guided properly, and can spend their time bullying people into going along with their middle-aged perversions when they're not.
    , @William Badwhite

    This person was in the Army?
     
    Not really. He attended West Point but resigned before getting a commission. He may have a DD214 and thus technically a "veteran", but to say he was "in the Army" is a lie in spirit. He never spent 1 minute on active duty. He's the same as someone that goes to Officer Candidate School and washes out.

    For him to walk around claiming to be a veteran takes some gall. Not as much gall as claiming to be a woman though.
  4. Every mention of ‘Charlotte’ Clymer is mandated by internet law to require posting of this picture of him.

    • Replies: @68W58
    This SNL bit came to mind on seeing that:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmtkNrufSwQ
    , @ScarletNumber
    This reminds me of when Will Farrell played Janet Reno on Saturday Night Live.
    , @HammerJack
    I swear, it looks like it's about to give the back of its hand to her.

    Hard to have respect for women who have respect for this BS.
    , @HammerJack
    One of several reasons I'll never be a tranny is the colossal degree of effort required. But this guy is hardly even trying.
    , @Ron Mexico
    "It places the lotion in the basket."
    , @Arthur Waldorf
    "It puts the lotion on the skin or else it gets the hose again!"
    , @Reg Cæsar
    Any Karen that young has to be Hispanic. Same with Jennifer.


    Even more so, Carol-- or "Karol":

    https://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/story/news/2019/12/20/nypd-karol-sanchez-abduction-arlington-high-school/2708112001/
  5. We live in a fundamentally stupid age.

    • Replies: @Cucksworth
    It makes sense if you say the joos are pushing degeneracy to more easily take over and enslave us.
    , @Realist

    We live in a fundamentally stupid age.
     
    Yes, fundament and unmitigated.
    , @Jake
    It is not stupid; it is insane. And it is perverse in every sense.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
  6. I saw the pic before I read anything and thought wow, that’s a pretty convincing dude, I wouldn’t know he was trans unless someone told me.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Okay, Thats a man baby !
  7. US Army should create a unit comprised entirely of ex-military ex-men. Commanded by Colonel Jennifer Natalya Pritzker, naturally.

    • Agree: kaganovitch
    • Replies: @Realist

    US Army should create a unit comprised entirely of ex-military ex-men. Commanded by Colonel Jennifer Natalya Pritzker, naturally.
     
    Absolutely, just think how terrified the enemy would be of being captured by these...these...things.
    , @nokangaroos
    Ah, at long last the Army puts one up on those toxic masculine Thebans and their homonormative Battle of Leuktra*.

    I think I can hear the Russians trembling ...
    at least the ground just shook a little :P

    * they were such infamous sissies their homos were the only demographic with a modicum of cohesion and shape (from spending all day in the gym) and they succeeded in hacking the Spartan king to pieces; the problems started when the Spartan women claimed their right (!) to be inseminated by the victors :D
  8. @nebulafox
    We live in a fundamentally stupid age.

    It makes sense if you say the joos are pushing degeneracy to more easily take over and enslave us.

    • Replies: @Dissident

    It makes sense if you say the joos are pushing degeneracy to more easily take over and enslave us.
     
    Right. Notice how Jews never push of any of this degeneracy on their own children, none of whom ever turn-out to be homo or trans. In fact, the one thing that can be said for all "LGBTQ"whatevers is that at least none of them are or ever have been Jews.
  9. Also worth posting his post-modern drunkards progress-like Twitter bio evolution that could be a metaphor for woke Twitter writ large.

    https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/charles-clymer-jpg.644747/

    I can’t quite get the embed to work for the one with the 2018 update but it’s worth clicking the link above to see.

    And his current Twitter avatar.

    He is so internet-famous he has his own lengthy thread on Kiwi Farms. Threats of severe violence are a common aspect of his internet debate style.

    https://kiwifarms.net/threads/charles-clymer-charlotte-clymer-cmclymer.52451/

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Everybody should read the Kiwifarms link. As a man, Clymer tried to become the face of "male feminism," but was quickly ostracized for his aggressive and condescending behavior (trying to "mansplain" feminism to women, essentially). He then resurfaced as a she, complete with the standard tranny accoutrements of ludicrously bad make-up, exaggerated/fabricated stories of "discrimination" and ridiculous preening over handbags, heels and other stereotypically "girly" things. As with other autogynophiles he's still romantically involved with women and I'm quite sure he doesn't take hormones (never mind getting surgery). The man remains, in other words. That picture of a slouch-shoulder Clymer--in all his subtly menacing glory--lecturing a real woman about who-knows-what inspired 4chan to some of its finest work:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_x-hTuX4AMIzmM.jpg

    I've come to appreciate Chuck/Charlotte; his idiocy has a certain sublime quality to it, and the way he's managed to turn his absurd life into a career...well, can't knock the hustle. When I see a grifter like this my reaction is always the same: "Only in America!"

    , @Anon

    he has his own lengthy thread on Kiwi Farms
     
    Hmm, Kiwi Farms had been blocked by my country but now it's back. cheers.
    , @Cloudbuster
    Actually having read a lot of the Kiwi Farms stuff now, I wonder if his transgender thing is all an elaborate troll against feminists, trannies and SJWs. I can respect that, if that's the case.
    , @SunBakedSuburb
    Psychopath killer in a Brian De Palma movie. This dude's existence is both tragic and comic. Mostly comic.
    , @James N. Kennett
    And when Charles transitioned to Charlotte, xe became "proudly queer". In other words, like 50% of M2F transsexuals, xe thinks xe is not only female but lesbian.
  10. @RichardTaylor
    Is it just me, or do healthy, reproducing, traditional human populations appear more sexually dimorphic? I swear I can look at a conservative Christian group and the women look more curvy and the men more masculine.

    People in Austin literally look different than a group of sexy Christians in a small town.

    In the US, the Southern women are hotter and more feminine than the Northern. This is probably related to what you say.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    Southern women also make more of an effort to appear feminine and pretty. Some of the femi-journos Steve has talked about look like they didn't even brush their hair for their profile picture.
    , @S. Anonyia
    Upper class Southern women, sure. The poor and lower middle class are mostly fat.

    And they aren’t really more “feminine” either. They just wear makeup, dye their hair and don’t give up on their appearance past age 25 like women from other regions do. They look more feminine but it’s not exactly au natural and really doesn’t have much to do with their more conservative politics. I’d say women caring about their appearance is the standard for most of the world, General American women are just unusually dowdy, perhaps on purpose because a lot of people pride themselves on plainness. As are the men, actually. We are a country of sloppy dressers.

  11. M to F trannies are the worst of humanity.

  12. I forgot to add, Clymer isn’t actually a veteran. He attended West Point but that was it, he never actually entered the military. He claims he was unable to pursue a military career after West Point due to undisclosed medical reasons.

    So that picture of him is in an officer cadet uniform and not an actual uniform for a good reason.

    • LOL: Just Saying
    • Replies: @black sea
    Too bad he had to leave West Point. He would otherwise have been fast-tracked for flag rank.
  13. Sex and gender are different things, right? Isn’t what that I was supposed to learn in order to avoid this confusion?

    This woman is a woman because her culturally constructed gender identity is female. So, being a polite man, I don’t really have any trouble accommodating her in this regard.

    From a biological perspective, though, her sex is male. At least until we get a lot better at gene editing.

    Right? Wasn’t this is the woke version about four years ago?

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
    This woman is a woman because her culturally constructed gender identity is female. So, being a polite man, I don’t really have any trouble accommodating her in this regard.

    Get over your urge to politely accommodate. It's just making things worse.
    , @MBlanc46
    No, Karl, “her” gender identity is feminine (well, sort of). “Her” sex is male. Three genders: masculine, feminine, and neuter. Two sexes: male and female.
    , @PaulTheCabDriver
    Four years is a long time in Wokedom. (or is it Woke-dumb? Wokeistan, maybe?) Anywho, the claims and canards get wackier and wackier with each passing second. I suggest you keep abreast of the situation. Abreast? Is that OK? It's not sexist or transmogrifyophobic is it?
  14. By Charlotte Clymer
    Charlotte Clymer, a transgender woman and U.S. Army veteran, is a press secretary at the Human Rights Campaign. She lives in Washington, D.C.

    CHARLOTTE CLYMER
    – born a boy on Oct. 12, 1986 in Utah; raised from early childhood in Austin, Texas, by mother;
    June 2005: Graduates high school in Austin, Texas;
    Nov. 2005: Enters US Army and remains formally with the army to Jan. 2012, but only for <3.5 years before was he [at that time, still "he"] was on track to West Point;
    ca. Fall 2009: Enters West Point, apparently attending thru to at least Spring 2011 (“I had the honor of attending West Point for a few years before I suffered health problems that forced me to medically-retire from the Army [Jan. 2012]. I cherish my experiences at the Academy”);
    Aug. 2013: Begins one-and-a-half year employment at the US Holocaust Museum, Washington DC (Visitor Services Representative);
    Fall 2013: Begins at Georgetown Univ.; graduates 2016, BA in Liberal Studies;
    Late 2015: Diagnosed with “gender dysphoria” by a therapist;
    – From spring 2017: Begins various minor writing jobs at MSM outlets (GQ, DameMagazine, NBC News) (very likely got these positions thru connections, but exactly which, I do not know);
    Nov. 29, 2017: Comes out as a Trans an Facebook and Twitter;
    Dec. 2017 (to present): hired on as “Press Secretary for Rapid Response, Human Rights Campaign” (an LGBT lobby group);
    June 22, 2018: In headline-making incident, Charlotte Clymer is “harassed” at a high-end Washington restaurant for forcing his/her way into the women’s bathroom; the restaurant manager, who during the incident asked him for his ID, was, in the coming week, subject to a mini national humiliation for bigotry — and Clymer’s career as heroic Trans victim was born;
    Fall 2019: Begins at American University, School of Public Affairs, on course for an MA in Political Communication; expected graduation in 2021.

    ____________

    Comments:

    (1) The US Army invested the resources of West Point on this person; he took up one of the valuable spots (1,000 cadets per class) for about 2.5 years. All for naught.

    (2) Many aspects of Mx. Clymer’s wheelings-and-dealings in the 2010s here suggest, of course, more than a hint of careerism to his/her/(etc) act. I would suggest it all does, really, from his decision to leave the army (probably made in late 2011) to present. His political-arc also tracks well with the rise of the political Trans movement in general. On which, see:

    The rise of the ‘Trans’ movement to political prestige since the mid-2010s, a comfortable perch from which it looks down, in mockery, at us today — a 700-word investigation into the Trans movement’s origins. [Comment-102 at “A Statement from Jeff Younger,” Oct. 23, 2019]

    It found the earliest origins of today’s Trans movement may be found as early as Q3 2013; by 2015 it was still considered too weird and bizarre to go anywhere. Yet it pushed successfully into the mainstream between 2016 and 2018.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    No father.

    Patriarchy is civilization.
    , @Alfa158
    It was a waste of resources having him at West Point, but I try to look at the sunny side. At least this disturbed person didn’t stay in the Army and have continued access to fully automatic weapons and explosive devices. Male to female trannies seem to exhibit an unusually high level of hostility and physical aggression. There was this incident of Clymer storming the lady’s room, and then that tranny traffic helicopter pilot who threatened on a talk show to send Ben Shapiro to the emergency room if he referred to him as “he” one more time.
  15. @Altai
    Every mention of 'Charlotte' Clymer is mandated by internet law to require posting of this picture of him.

    https://media.spinster.xyz/media_attachments/files/000/012/847/original/573ae5822b5385da.jpg

    This SNL bit came to mind on seeing that:

  16. @Hail

    By Charlotte Clymer
    Charlotte Clymer, a transgender woman and U.S. Army veteran, is a press secretary at the Human Rights Campaign. She lives in Washington, D.C.
     
    CHARLOTTE CLYMER
    - born a boy on Oct. 12, 1986 in Utah; raised from early childhood in Austin, Texas, by mother;
    - June 2005: Graduates high school in Austin, Texas;
    - Nov. 2005: Enters US Army and remains formally with the army to Jan. 2012, but only for <3.5 years before was he [at that time, still "he"] was on track to West Point;
    - ca. Fall 2009: Enters West Point, apparently attending thru to at least Spring 2011 ("I had the honor of attending West Point for a few years before I suffered health problems that forced me to medically-retire from the Army [Jan. 2012]. I cherish my experiences at the Academy");
    - Aug. 2013: Begins one-and-a-half year employment at the US Holocaust Museum, Washington DC (Visitor Services Representative);
    - Fall 2013: Begins at Georgetown Univ.; graduates 2016, BA in Liberal Studies;
    - Late 2015: Diagnosed with "gender dysphoria" by a therapist;
    - From spring 2017: Begins various minor writing jobs at MSM outlets (GQ, DameMagazine, NBC News) (very likely got these positions thru connections, but exactly which, I do not know);
    - Nov. 29, 2017: Comes out as a Trans an Facebook and Twitter;
    - Dec. 2017 (to present): hired on as "Press Secretary for Rapid Response, Human Rights Campaign" (an LGBT lobby group);
    - June 22, 2018: In headline-making incident, Charlotte Clymer is "harassed" at a high-end Washington restaurant for forcing his/her way into the women's bathroom; the restaurant manager, who during the incident asked him for his ID, was, in the coming week, subject to a mini national humiliation for bigotry -- and Clymer's career as heroic Trans victim was born;
    - Fall 2019: Begins at American University, School of Public Affairs, on course for an MA in Political Communication; expected graduation in 2021.

    ____________

    Comments:

    (1) The US Army invested the resources of West Point on this person; he took up one of the valuable spots (1,000 cadets per class) for about 2.5 years. All for naught.

    (2) Many aspects of Mx. Clymer's wheelings-and-dealings in the 2010s here suggest, of course, more than a hint of careerism to his/her/(etc) act. I would suggest it all does, really, from his decision to leave the army (probably made in late 2011) to present. His political-arc also tracks well with the rise of the political Trans movement in general. On which, see:


    The rise of the ‘Trans’ movement to political prestige since the mid-2010s, a comfortable perch from which it looks down, in mockery, at us today — a 700-word investigation into the Trans movement’s origins. [Comment-102 at "A Statement from Jeff Younger," Oct. 23, 2019]

    It found the earliest origins of today’s Trans movement may be found as early as Q3 2013; by 2015 it was still considered too weird and bizarre to go anywhere. Yet it pushed successfully into the mainstream between 2016 and 2018.
     

    No father.

    Patriarchy is civilization.

    • Agree: Sol, The Anti-Gnostic
    • Replies: @Hail
    A simple search for "charlotte clymer father" yields this comment from Google:

    Missing: father ‎| Must include: father
     
    But elsewhere we do find answers, of a kind, on his father, and more.

    It looks like this Charlotte Clymer, born Charles Clymer, wrote the following on Reddit in a thread titled "Have you ever cut someone close to you completely out of your life?" under the handle ItsMisterRogers, on Nov. 19, 2011:


    My mother sexually abused me for ten years, my father was emotionally distant, my stepmother was a legitimately evil bitch, and the rest of my family was complicit in all this.

    I nearly committed suicide, earlier this year [2011], but I'd have been worse off if I maintained contact.
     

    This sounds like a sad story. Who knows the extent to which what he wrote is true, but there he is characterizing his own parents. His father was present in some sense, in that he (at the least) knew him, but there is clearly an early-childhood divorce here.

    In any case, with this line about nearly committing suicide at some point ca. mid 2011 we have the reason for his dropping out of West Point and medical separation from the US Army (effective Jan. 2012).


    Charlotte (born Charles) Clymer
     
    If the Reddit archive can be believed, the (then-)guy once blogged under charlesclymer dot blogspot dot com, which was attached to the ItsMisterRogers reddit account, which posted the lines against his parents and on his own 2011 suicidal thoughts.
    , @Corvinus
    "Patriarchy is civilization."

    You mean patriarchy may be an inherent part of a civilization.
  17. @Hail

    By Charlotte Clymer
    Charlotte Clymer, a transgender woman and U.S. Army veteran, is a press secretary at the Human Rights Campaign. She lives in Washington, D.C.
     
    CHARLOTTE CLYMER
    - born a boy on Oct. 12, 1986 in Utah; raised from early childhood in Austin, Texas, by mother;
    - June 2005: Graduates high school in Austin, Texas;
    - Nov. 2005: Enters US Army and remains formally with the army to Jan. 2012, but only for <3.5 years before was he [at that time, still "he"] was on track to West Point;
    - ca. Fall 2009: Enters West Point, apparently attending thru to at least Spring 2011 ("I had the honor of attending West Point for a few years before I suffered health problems that forced me to medically-retire from the Army [Jan. 2012]. I cherish my experiences at the Academy");
    - Aug. 2013: Begins one-and-a-half year employment at the US Holocaust Museum, Washington DC (Visitor Services Representative);
    - Fall 2013: Begins at Georgetown Univ.; graduates 2016, BA in Liberal Studies;
    - Late 2015: Diagnosed with "gender dysphoria" by a therapist;
    - From spring 2017: Begins various minor writing jobs at MSM outlets (GQ, DameMagazine, NBC News) (very likely got these positions thru connections, but exactly which, I do not know);
    - Nov. 29, 2017: Comes out as a Trans an Facebook and Twitter;
    - Dec. 2017 (to present): hired on as "Press Secretary for Rapid Response, Human Rights Campaign" (an LGBT lobby group);
    - June 22, 2018: In headline-making incident, Charlotte Clymer is "harassed" at a high-end Washington restaurant for forcing his/her way into the women's bathroom; the restaurant manager, who during the incident asked him for his ID, was, in the coming week, subject to a mini national humiliation for bigotry -- and Clymer's career as heroic Trans victim was born;
    - Fall 2019: Begins at American University, School of Public Affairs, on course for an MA in Political Communication; expected graduation in 2021.

    ____________

    Comments:

    (1) The US Army invested the resources of West Point on this person; he took up one of the valuable spots (1,000 cadets per class) for about 2.5 years. All for naught.

    (2) Many aspects of Mx. Clymer's wheelings-and-dealings in the 2010s here suggest, of course, more than a hint of careerism to his/her/(etc) act. I would suggest it all does, really, from his decision to leave the army (probably made in late 2011) to present. His political-arc also tracks well with the rise of the political Trans movement in general. On which, see:


    The rise of the ‘Trans’ movement to political prestige since the mid-2010s, a comfortable perch from which it looks down, in mockery, at us today — a 700-word investigation into the Trans movement’s origins. [Comment-102 at "A Statement from Jeff Younger," Oct. 23, 2019]

    It found the earliest origins of today’s Trans movement may be found as early as Q3 2013; by 2015 it was still considered too weird and bizarre to go anywhere. Yet it pushed successfully into the mainstream between 2016 and 2018.
     

    It was a waste of resources having him at West Point, but I try to look at the sunny side. At least this disturbed person didn’t stay in the Army and have continued access to fully automatic weapons and explosive devices. Male to female trannies seem to exhibit an unusually high level of hostility and physical aggression. There was this incident of Clymer storming the lady’s room, and then that tranny traffic helicopter pilot who threatened on a talk show to send Ben Shapiro to the emergency room if he referred to him as “he” one more time.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    Alfa158 wrote:

    There was this incident of Clymer storming the lady’s room, and then that tranny traffic helicopter pilot who threatened on a talk show to send Ben Shapiro to the emergency room if he referred to him as “he” one more time.
     
    That was "Helicopter Bob" Tur, who happens to be father (mother?) to NBC News celeb Katy Tur: media reports claimed that Katy did not deal well with the "transition."

    Tur was wrong in the Shapiro incident of course. Though Shapiro is so obnoxious, that I was almost cheering Tur on.
  18. Was’nt the psychotic killer in Silence of the Lambs “gender dysphoric”

    I’m just asking.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    I often cite that as the sort of film that won't be getting anymore. And a remake/reboot - not without plenty of rewrites to explain how he is actually a victim of society etc.
    , @Anonymous
    Think that was in Austin Powers
  19. If there’s been a better fake headline to an actual article this year, I haven’t seen it.

  20. @Altai
    Every mention of 'Charlotte' Clymer is mandated by internet law to require posting of this picture of him.

    https://media.spinster.xyz/media_attachments/files/000/012/847/original/573ae5822b5385da.jpg

    This reminds me of when Will Farrell played Janet Reno on Saturday Night Live.

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    I’m Janet Reno, welcome to Janet Reno’s Dance Party.
  21. I remember when Conchita Wurst the bearded lady won Eurovision in 2014, and for some people this was the breaking point, and they started sounding like ‘Putin stooges’ to my ears, and I was all like “so how many rubles are you paid, comrade?”

    But then my own breaking point came circa late 2017, a combination of “the totally real Russian collusion”, and “there’s no population replacement happening you Nazi, celebrate being a minority”, and child trannies. The child trannies were the last straw.

    Then came the Black Pill, then the God Pill.

    The people who empower the mentally ill, and use hijacked social institutions to turn all of society into a total surveillance mental asylum–to them this constant demoralization is a power thing. A humiliation ritual.

    Satanic psychopaths who think they can get away with this forever.

  22. In the reader comments on that article by Charlotte Clymer, the highest rated comments all reject what she’s saying. Don’t take on the Harry Potter fan club, especially the women (and most are women, I think.)


  23. We live in a fundamentally stupid age.

    Actually it’s a fundamentally evil age.

    Weaponizing these mentally ill “trans” people into a political grievance block is EVIL.

    • Agree: Kylie
  24. Hi Steve,

    This is totally off topic but I see your twitter discussion of Dutch height on the side of this page, where you write, among other things:

    “Presumably, the Dutch always had the genetic potential to be very tall, but didn’t quite have the nurture.

    “Still, the Netherlands were modern and prosperous in their Golden Age of Rembrandt and Vermeer 350 years ago, but I don’t recall them being seen as tall.”

    Dante, in Inferno 31, meets giants, and says of one of them that his torso is taller than three Frieslanders (and his head is the size of the pine cone at the Vatican). Footnotes say that Frieslanders were reputedly the tallest people in the world at that time.

    And as for South Korea, yes. I first went there in 1995. The difference was dramatic. People my parents’ age were quite short. People younger than me were quite tall.

    (Not related, but interesting, is the effort of a king of Prussia to propagate ‘procerity’, as described by Dr. Johnson:

    “Speaking of the pride which the old King, the father of his hero, took in being master of the tallest regiment in Europe, he says, ‘To review this towering regiment was his daily pleasure; and to perpetuate it was so much his care, that when he met a tall woman he immediately commanded one of his Titanian retinue to marry her, that they might propagate procerity.’”)

  25. Tranny Magic…

    Is that where you go to pull a trans-rabbit out of a hat, but J.K. Rowling’s forced grovelling apology and lots of, ahem, ‘donation’ money to trans-rights ‘charities’ comes out instead?

    (Nothing up The Washington Post’s sleeve. Of course not!)

  26. @Alfa158
    It was a waste of resources having him at West Point, but I try to look at the sunny side. At least this disturbed person didn’t stay in the Army and have continued access to fully automatic weapons and explosive devices. Male to female trannies seem to exhibit an unusually high level of hostility and physical aggression. There was this incident of Clymer storming the lady’s room, and then that tranny traffic helicopter pilot who threatened on a talk show to send Ben Shapiro to the emergency room if he referred to him as “he” one more time.

    Alfa158 wrote:

    There was this incident of Clymer storming the lady’s room, and then that tranny traffic helicopter pilot who threatened on a talk show to send Ben Shapiro to the emergency room if he referred to him as “he” one more time.

    That was “Helicopter Bob” Tur, who happens to be father (mother?) to NBC News celeb Katy Tur: media reports claimed that Katy did not deal well with the “transition.”

    Tur was wrong in the Shapiro incident of course. Though Shapiro is so obnoxious, that I was almost cheering Tur on.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute

    “Helicopter Bob” Tur, who happens to be father (mother?) to NBC News celeb Katy Tur: media reports claimed that Katy did not deal well with the “transition.”
     
    One has to wonder, how does one address “Dad” after dad puts on a dress and pretends to be a woman? The tranny movement needs to address this burning question.
    , @Ragno

    That was “Helicopter Bob” Tur, who happens to be father (mother?) to NBC News celeb Katy Tur: media reports claimed that Katy did not deal well with the “transition.”
     
    Katy was otherwise most 'famous' for being Keith Olbermann's daughter-aged girlfriend, which helped boost her over the NBC News wall to 'celebhood'.

    Dunno if her doing America's Foremost Idiot was her way of getting even with 'Daddy', or showing off for 'Mommy'. Bit of both, I suppose.
  27. Always remember as well that the Human Righs Campaign was founded by a child rapist (look it up.)

  28. It’s worth repeating what Rowling actually posted:

    Dress however you please.

    Call yourself whatever you like. Sleep with any consenting adult who’ll have you.

    Live your best life in peace and security. But force women out of their jobs for stating that sex is real?

    Let’s be honest: almost everyone in the West agrees with Rowling. (Though in Dar al-Islam, I suppose her post would be viewed as typical of Western decadence.)

    I hope everyone is seeing why we must defend Rowling: not so much to defend her (though she is a fellow human being with certain inalienable rights), but to defend all the rest of us, the vast, overhwelming majority of the human race.

    • Agree: S. Anonyia
    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    While it is true that almost everyone in the West agrees with Rowling, rest assured that very few will rise to her defense in fear of being labeled XXXX (take your pick)!
    , @Jim Don Bob
    J.K. Rowling’s reps turn down GLAAD’s offer to "facilitate a discussion" with members of the trans community.

    JKR knows a trap when she sees one.

    https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2019/12/21/j-k-rowlings-reps-turn-down-glaads-offer-to-facilitate-a-discussion-with-members-of-the-trans-community/
  29. Don’t you think there’s some possibility of this guy having been brainwashed?

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
    Methinks "ass-reamed" is the word you´re groping for.
  30. Charlotte Clymer:

    Like many other trans folks, I had caught glimpses of much of this, but Burns’s precise summarization was a punch to the gut. …

    Jackson Bird:

    As a devoted Harry Potter fan who also happens to be transgender, it was like a punch in the gut.

    SJWs seem to have sensitive mid-sections…..

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    ...And when Barack Obama's grandfather told him his grandmother was afraid of a man who had harassed her at the bus stop only because he was black, Barack says, "The words were like a fist in my stomach, and I wobbled to regain my composure."

    Also, on December 7, 2016, Valerie Jarrett says Trump election felt 'like a punch in the stomach.'
  31. @PhysicistDave
    It's worth repeating what Rowling actually posted:

    Dress however you please.

    Call yourself whatever you like. Sleep with any consenting adult who’ll have you.

    Live your best life in peace and security. But force women out of their jobs for stating that sex is real?
     

    Let's be honest: almost everyone in the West agrees with Rowling. (Though in Dar al-Islam, I suppose her post would be viewed as typical of Western decadence.)

    I hope everyone is seeing why we must defend Rowling: not so much to defend her (though she is a fellow human being with certain inalienable rights), but to defend all the rest of us, the vast, overhwelming majority of the human race.

    While it is true that almost everyone in the West agrees with Rowling, rest assured that very few will rise to her defense in fear of being labeled XXXX (take your pick)!

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
  32. @ScarletNumber
    This reminds me of when Will Farrell played Janet Reno on Saturday Night Live.

    I’m Janet Reno, welcome to Janet Reno’s Dance Party.

  33. Some more bizarrness about this one:

    Fast Company promoted a live chat with creepy “male feminist”
    Charles Clymer self-identifies as a “feminist leader,” but he’s also been accused of verbally abusing women

    https://www.salon.com/2014/12/02/fast_company_promotes_live_chat_with_creepy_male_feminist/

    And this:

    Charles Clymer, a blogger and activist, has recently been held accountable by the feminist community for his oppressive and misogynstic behavior. He has been know to ban women from the Facebook page he created and administers, Equality for Women, for seemingly just disagreeing with his point of view, and wrote this sexist rant towards one such woman on his (now it seems unpublished) Facebook page, Equality for Women.

    https://www.change.org/p/stein-huffingtonpost-com-remove-charles-clymer-as-a-contributor

    • Replies: @Thomas
    At heart, most MTF trannies have turned themselves into mocking and hateful effigies of the crudest stereotypes of women.
  34. Anonymous[277] • Disclaimer says:
    @Altai
    Also worth posting his post-modern drunkards progress-like Twitter bio evolution that could be a metaphor for woke Twitter writ large.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQ41wYGUIAYqfKw.jpg:large

    https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/charles-clymer-jpg.644747/

    I can't quite get the embed to work for the one with the 2018 update but it's worth clicking the link above to see.

    And his current Twitter avatar.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1198480878688776192/z4w4mpS5_400x400.jpg

    He is so internet-famous he has his own lengthy thread on Kiwi Farms. Threats of severe violence are a common aspect of his internet debate style.

    https://kiwifarms.net/threads/charles-clymer-charlotte-clymer-cmclymer.52451/

    Everybody should read the Kiwifarms link. As a man, Clymer tried to become the face of “male feminism,” but was quickly ostracized for his aggressive and condescending behavior (trying to “mansplain” feminism to women, essentially). He then resurfaced as a she, complete with the standard tranny accoutrements of ludicrously bad make-up, exaggerated/fabricated stories of “discrimination” and ridiculous preening over handbags, heels and other stereotypically “girly” things. As with other autogynophiles he’s still romantically involved with women and I’m quite sure he doesn’t take hormones (never mind getting surgery). The man remains, in other words. That picture of a slouch-shoulder Clymer–in all his subtly menacing glory–lecturing a real woman about who-knows-what inspired 4chan to some of its finest work:

    I’ve come to appreciate Chuck/Charlotte; his idiocy has a certain sublime quality to it, and the way he’s managed to turn his absurd life into a career…well, can’t knock the hustle. When I see a grifter like this my reaction is always the same: “Only in America!”

    • Replies: @Thomas
    He looks like a hulking and somewhat worse-looking version of Richard Spencer.
    , @anon
    When kidnapping victim Elizabeth Smart was found, she initially denied her identity, i.e. she was loyal to the nasty-hobo-bum-kidnapper-rapist.

    What was going through her head??? Well, I'd imagine it was precisely the same cowed emotions the woman in this picture felt, times 100.
    , @Hypnotoad666

    Rowling effectively dismissed all of this, suggesting that Forstater was being fired for “stating that sex is real,” a common transphobic assertion . . . .”
     
    This is a pretty good example of Wittgenstein's hypothesis that all philosophical debates are just semantic debates. Of course sex is real. No matter what word we use for him, this guy in the picture still has a y chromosome and male morphology. But if society designates him to legally be a woman, nothing about those biological facts changes.

    So both sets of facts are true, but they are battling for possession of the words "sex" and "woman."
  35. @Altai
    I forgot to add, Clymer isn't actually a veteran. He attended West Point but that was it, he never actually entered the military. He claims he was unable to pursue a military career after West Point due to undisclosed medical reasons.

    So that picture of him is in an officer cadet uniform and not an actual uniform for a good reason.

    Too bad he had to leave West Point. He would otherwise have been fast-tracked for flag rank.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    He would otherwise have been fast-tracked for rainbow flag rank.
  36. @syonredux
    Charlotte Clymer:

    Like many other trans folks, I had caught glimpses of much of this, but Burns’s precise summarization was a punch to the gut. …
     
    Jackson Bird:

    As a devoted Harry Potter fan who also happens to be transgender, it was like a punch in the gut.
     
    SJWs seem to have sensitive mid-sections.....

    …And when Barack Obama’s grandfather told him his grandmother was afraid of a man who had harassed her at the bus stop only because he was black, Barack says, “The words were like a fist in my stomach, and I wobbled to regain my composure.”

    Also, on December 7, 2016, Valerie Jarrett says Trump election felt ‘like a punch in the stomach.’

  37. Anon[378] • Disclaimer says:

    After Rowling turned down an offer from the LGBTQ media organization GLAAD to have an off-the-record conversation with trans people that could potentially close this gap in understanding …

    It would have been hilarious if she had accept the “off-the-record” meeting proposal, hired a team to prep and rehearse her, showed up, and demolished Team T.

    The trannies would leak their take on the meeting forthwith. At which point she could release her hidden camera footage to the web.

  38. @Reg Cæsar
    What a most unconvincing picture.

    … In her tweet, Rowling effectively dismissed all of this, suggesting that Forstater was being fired for “stating that sex is real,” a common transphobic assertion that has been dismissed by medical experts and other scientists. …

     

    A sentence even more confused than Ms Social Clymer's "sexuality". Which assertion is being referred to? What exactly was dismissed by medical experts and other scientists?

    Are op-eds by non-professionals even edited these days?

    ...the constant miracle of overcoming considerable odds with love and courage to negotiate hatred, trans people, who leave our homes every day into a world full of discrimination and violence against our bodies and souls...

     

    This person was in the Army? Hardly even sounds like the mean girls' division of JROTC.

    Well, the men who actually won wars had problematic beliefs.

  39. @Altai
    Also worth posting his post-modern drunkards progress-like Twitter bio evolution that could be a metaphor for woke Twitter writ large.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQ41wYGUIAYqfKw.jpg:large

    https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/charles-clymer-jpg.644747/

    I can't quite get the embed to work for the one with the 2018 update but it's worth clicking the link above to see.

    And his current Twitter avatar.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1198480878688776192/z4w4mpS5_400x400.jpg

    He is so internet-famous he has his own lengthy thread on Kiwi Farms. Threats of severe violence are a common aspect of his internet debate style.

    https://kiwifarms.net/threads/charles-clymer-charlotte-clymer-cmclymer.52451/

    he has his own lengthy thread on Kiwi Farms

    Hmm, Kiwi Farms had been blocked by my country but now it’s back. cheers.

  40. @Jon
    Some more bizarrness about this one:

    Fast Company promoted a live chat with creepy "male feminist"
    Charles Clymer self-identifies as a "feminist leader," but he's also been accused of verbally abusing women
     
    https://www.salon.com/2014/12/02/fast_company_promotes_live_chat_with_creepy_male_feminist/

    And this:

    Charles Clymer, a blogger and activist, has recently been held accountable by the feminist community for his oppressive and misogynstic behavior. He has been know to ban women from the Facebook page he created and administers, Equality for Women, for seemingly just disagreeing with his point of view, and wrote this sexist rant towards one such woman on his (now it seems unpublished) Facebook page, Equality for Women.
     
    https://www.change.org/p/stein-huffingtonpost-com-remove-charles-clymer-as-a-contributor

    At heart, most MTF trannies have turned themselves into mocking and hateful effigies of the crudest stereotypes of women.

    • Agree: Stan d Mute
  41. Is the surge in masculine men who want to become lesbians caused by Internet lesbian porn?

    Still pics and drawings of lesbian action have been around for a long time. The novel Fanny Hill had lesbian scenes and was published in mid 1700s, and many explicitly illustrated reprints were made in the 1800s.

    Until about 1985, however, it was difficult to regularly watch it on video. Even then, the selection was limited and expensive and it was low resolution. In the 1980s a 90-minute VHS tape was about $70 adjusted for inflation.

    • Replies: @Gordo
    We truly have experts on every subject here among the Unz commentariat.
    , @Jake
    You are on to something. Lesbian porn leads many from admiring 2 attractive chicks and fantasizing about having a couple of concubines to accepting lesbian lifestyle, which then leads many to start to accept gay male sex and then gay male lifestyle, and to tolerate the demands of hetero-despising fags and dykes.

    The end game is to have pederasty made acceptable in the society, to have pederasty made a sacred civil rights choice like being queer and aborting.
    , @ScarletNumber

    The novel Fanny Hill had lesbian scenes
     
    For those who don't speak British English, the word "fanny" has a different meaning over there, making this a double entendre.
    , @S. Anonyia
    I think with Bruce Jenner macho types it is caused by a combination of exposure to lesbian porn and narcissism. They fall in love with themselves as women, essentially. It’s a huge joke and insult to everyone’s intelligence but not inherently sinister except for the fact that it’s really decadent.

    The most dangerous trannies (like Clymer and that Canadian guy who was trying to force foreign lady estheticians to wax his junk) are freaks and losers who “become” women in attempt to try and get close to women they could not otherwise get near. It’s basically a form of stalking. Like a wolf disguising as sheep.

  42. It’s impossible to ignore in this piece how seamlessly and unconsciously Clymer shifts back and forth between invocations of the magic embodied in Harry Potter and “science and reality,” apparently without irony.

  43. @Altai
    Every mention of 'Charlotte' Clymer is mandated by internet law to require posting of this picture of him.

    https://media.spinster.xyz/media_attachments/files/000/012/847/original/573ae5822b5385da.jpg

    I swear, it looks like it’s about to give the back of its hand to her.

    Hard to have respect for women who have respect for this BS.

  44. @Anonymous
    Everybody should read the Kiwifarms link. As a man, Clymer tried to become the face of "male feminism," but was quickly ostracized for his aggressive and condescending behavior (trying to "mansplain" feminism to women, essentially). He then resurfaced as a she, complete with the standard tranny accoutrements of ludicrously bad make-up, exaggerated/fabricated stories of "discrimination" and ridiculous preening over handbags, heels and other stereotypically "girly" things. As with other autogynophiles he's still romantically involved with women and I'm quite sure he doesn't take hormones (never mind getting surgery). The man remains, in other words. That picture of a slouch-shoulder Clymer--in all his subtly menacing glory--lecturing a real woman about who-knows-what inspired 4chan to some of its finest work:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_x-hTuX4AMIzmM.jpg

    I've come to appreciate Chuck/Charlotte; his idiocy has a certain sublime quality to it, and the way he's managed to turn his absurd life into a career...well, can't knock the hustle. When I see a grifter like this my reaction is always the same: "Only in America!"

    He looks like a hulking and somewhat worse-looking version of Richard Spencer.

  45. @Altai
    Every mention of 'Charlotte' Clymer is mandated by internet law to require posting of this picture of him.

    https://media.spinster.xyz/media_attachments/files/000/012/847/original/573ae5822b5385da.jpg

    One of several reasons I’ll never be a tranny is the colossal degree of effort required. But this guy is hardly even trying.

    • LOL: fish
    • Replies: @miss marple
    I'm trying to understand the "logical" progression to "I'm a woman trapped in a man's body". Are these guys unable to assert themselves or are they extremely self centered, needing all attention focused on them? For instance, is it more likely that the introverted mailman will go Trans or that someone like Donald Trump will?
  46. it has broken my heart in recent years to see Rowling’s inexplicable replacement of justice-minded imagination with a bigotry-driven rejection of science and reality.

    transgender people embody the magical world of Harry Potter better than almost anyone.

    Wait, I thought he said “science and reality”? This is the funniest shit I’ve seen in ages, even more hysterical than the magic negroes Hollywood keeps creating.

    Am I a bad person to find insanity funny?

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    "Am I a bad person to find insanity funny?"

    Laugh in the face of the Abyss. It's really all we can do.
  47. @PhysicistDave
    Alfa158 wrote:

    There was this incident of Clymer storming the lady’s room, and then that tranny traffic helicopter pilot who threatened on a talk show to send Ben Shapiro to the emergency room if he referred to him as “he” one more time.
     
    That was "Helicopter Bob" Tur, who happens to be father (mother?) to NBC News celeb Katy Tur: media reports claimed that Katy did not deal well with the "transition."

    Tur was wrong in the Shapiro incident of course. Though Shapiro is so obnoxious, that I was almost cheering Tur on.

    “Helicopter Bob” Tur, who happens to be father (mother?) to NBC News celeb Katy Tur: media reports claimed that Katy did not deal well with the “transition.”

    One has to wonder, how does one address “Dad” after dad puts on a dress and pretends to be a woman? The tranny movement needs to address this burning question.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
    • Replies: @Elli
    I've seen a young woman throwing the word Dad into every sentence when addressing the bearded middle-aged person who once was her mother.

    She had already lost much of her mother and didn't want to lose her all the way, my guess.

    If a "man" can have periods and get pregnant, why can't a "man" be a mother?.
    , @ScarletNumber

    how does one address “Dad” after dad puts on a dress and pretends to be a woman? The tranny movement needs to address this burning question.
     
    Friends addressed this pre-9/11, but I don't think this episode gets made in the same way now. It is Chandler's wedding day, and he is getting walked down the aisle by his mother Morgan Fairchild and his father Kathleen Turner.

    https://youtu.be/jtn6Vs_EGcQ?t=183
  48. @The Ronnie Evil Show
    Was'nt the psychotic killer in Silence of the Lambs "gender dysphoric"

    I'm just asking.

    I often cite that as the sort of film that won’t be getting anymore. And a remake/reboot – not without plenty of rewrites to explain how he is actually a victim of society etc.

  49. @black sea
    Too bad he had to leave West Point. He would otherwise have been fast-tracked for flag rank.

    He would otherwise have been fast-tracked for rainbow flag rank.

    • LOL: HammerJack
    • Replies: @Abe

    He would otherwise have been fast-tracked for rainbow flag rank.
     
    Steve likes to point out how local law enforcement has admirably served as a firebreak to hate hoax hysteria with its “apolitical”, “just the facts, ma’am” casework approach. But for how much longer? The US armed forces brass famously spooked Bill Clinton (and may have wrong-footed him for his entire Presidency) when it resisted his attempt, immediately after being sworn in, to introduce gays to the military.

    Ever since General “diversity can’t become our greatest casualty” Casey, though, I’ve gotten the distinct impression that the upper echelons of the military have become increasingly poz’d. Especially with the push to institute lady generals, how long before the senior command becomes a lez’d-out old girls network? This, of course, like all other experiments in institutional wokeness, will turn out badly as soon as we confront a foreign enemy that is not totally inept, but the point is no longer for the armed forces to serve as a shield against external aggression so much as to act as prison guard of the mental institution this country is increasingly become.

  50. @Lot
    Is the surge in masculine men who want to become lesbians caused by Internet lesbian porn?

    Still pics and drawings of lesbian action have been around for a long time. The novel Fanny Hill had lesbian scenes and was published in mid 1700s, and many explicitly illustrated reprints were made in the 1800s.

    Until about 1985, however, it was difficult to regularly watch it on video. Even then, the selection was limited and expensive and it was low resolution. In the 1980s a 90-minute VHS tape was about $70 adjusted for inflation.

    We truly have experts on every subject here among the Unz commentariat.

  51. Who here is old enough to remember Vic Tanny, the fitness king?
    Charlotte Clymer looks like Vic Tanny.

  52. @Reg Cæsar
    What a most unconvincing picture.

    … In her tweet, Rowling effectively dismissed all of this, suggesting that Forstater was being fired for “stating that sex is real,” a common transphobic assertion that has been dismissed by medical experts and other scientists. …

     

    A sentence even more confused than Ms Social Clymer's "sexuality". Which assertion is being referred to? What exactly was dismissed by medical experts and other scientists?

    Are op-eds by non-professionals even edited these days?

    ...the constant miracle of overcoming considerable odds with love and courage to negotiate hatred, trans people, who leave our homes every day into a world full of discrimination and violence against our bodies and souls...

     

    This person was in the Army? Hardly even sounds like the mean girls' division of JROTC.

    This person was in the Army?

    Yes, this country is screwed…but that has been obvious for a long time.

  53. That Clymer is an all-around disgusting person. Even after the Army and Navy clarified those dumb cadets were doing the “ok” thing as part of the “circle game” and not as a sign of white supremacism (as if anyone worth taking seriously thought for two seconds that there was racist intent to the signs), Clymer and his band of wicked SJWs proceeded to continue claiming that the cadets are nazis, because, according to the logic of these anti-white demons, everyone on Earth reads WaPo and NYT and therefore should know that a juvenile game that has been played for decades by young men of all races is no longer acceptable because some guy on the other side of the world made the “ok” sign after unlawfully removing some Muslims from NZ.

  54. @nebulafox
    We live in a fundamentally stupid age.

    We live in a fundamentally stupid age.

    Yes, fundament and unmitigated.

  55. I sincerely doubt that even Family Guy could get away with this one today. It originally aired in 2010:

    Note that Lt Dan Quagmire character was a decorated war hero and uber ladies’ man before he decided to pretend that he was a woman…

  56. @inertial
    US Army should create a unit comprised entirely of ex-military ex-men. Commanded by Colonel Jennifer Natalya Pritzker, naturally.

    US Army should create a unit comprised entirely of ex-military ex-men. Commanded by Colonel Jennifer Natalya Pritzker, naturally.

    Absolutely, just think how terrified the enemy would be of being captured by these…these…things.

  57. A number of primitive tribes indeed placed a sacred status on cross-dressing men. So did advanced human sacrifice cultures.

  58. @nebulafox
    We live in a fundamentally stupid age.

    It is not stupid; it is insane. And it is perverse in every sense.

  59. @Altai
    Every mention of 'Charlotte' Clymer is mandated by internet law to require posting of this picture of him.

    https://media.spinster.xyz/media_attachments/files/000/012/847/original/573ae5822b5385da.jpg

    “It places the lotion in the basket.”

  60. @PhysicistDave
    Alfa158 wrote:

    There was this incident of Clymer storming the lady’s room, and then that tranny traffic helicopter pilot who threatened on a talk show to send Ben Shapiro to the emergency room if he referred to him as “he” one more time.
     
    That was "Helicopter Bob" Tur, who happens to be father (mother?) to NBC News celeb Katy Tur: media reports claimed that Katy did not deal well with the "transition."

    Tur was wrong in the Shapiro incident of course. Though Shapiro is so obnoxious, that I was almost cheering Tur on.

    That was “Helicopter Bob” Tur, who happens to be father (mother?) to NBC News celeb Katy Tur: media reports claimed that Katy did not deal well with the “transition.”

    Katy was otherwise most ‘famous’ for being Keith Olbermann’s daughter-aged girlfriend, which helped boost her over the NBC News wall to ‘celebhood’.

    Dunno if her doing America’s Foremost Idiot was her way of getting even with ‘Daddy’, or showing off for ‘Mommy’. Bit of both, I suppose.

  61. Blogger Rod Dreher can’t stay away from tl;dr territory, and some of his chief concerns strike me as idiosyncratic. But he’s steadfast in his beliefs, and posts some worthwhile stuff.

    With Mx. Clymer chosen by the Human Rights Campaign to serve as their Press Secretary, it’s on-topic to see how HRC helps to make the world a better place.

    Dreher’s Dec. 20 post leads with:

    At last night’s Democratic debate, Elizabeth Warren solemnly declared that if she is elected, she will make a point of coming out onto the White House lawn once a year and reciting aloud the names of all the transgendered Americans who have been killed in the past year.

    Dying While Trans is a big thing on the Left, and in the mainstream media. We keep having stories — Google them, you’ll see — on the “epidemic” of murders of transgendered Americans. The American Medical Association has also labeled it an “epidemic.” According to the Human Rights Campaign (HRC), the leading LGBT lobby, 22 trans persons have been murdered so far in 2019.

    After the break is a condensed version of what Dreher found by Googling each of HRC’s 22 epidemic-murder cases.

    You can’t make up this stuff.

    [MORE]

    All but #16 are male-to-female transgender. Links at Dreher’s post.

    1. Dana Martin — no arrest, no evidence of targeting due to xer trans-identity. Prior arrest for macing a store employee for interfering with xer shoplifting.

    2. Claire Legato — shot when xhe interfered in an argument over a tax refund check.

    3. Muhlaysia Booker — shot by a serial killer who targeted hookers.

    4. Ashanti Carmon — shot as xhe was streetwalking.

    5. Michelle Washington — hooker shot over an illegal gun deal.

    6. Paris Cameron — one of three shot at a house party. The perp was mad because the victims had called him gay.

    7. Jazzaline Ware — found dead in xer apartment, possibly from natural causes.

    8. Chanel Scurlock — shot in an armed robbery.

    9. Zoe Spears — shot while streetwalking; cops say gender identity wasn’t a motive.

    10. Brooklyn Lindsey — hooker shot by xer john.

    11. Denali Berries Stuckey — hooker shot by a former neighbor; cops say motives are unclear.

    12. Tracy Single — killed by xer boyfriend.

    13. Kiki Fantroy — shot by a street criminal; cops say gender identity wasn’t a motive.

    14. Bubba Walker — xer body was found in a burned house; circumstances of death are murky.

    15. Pebbles LaDime Doe — a fugitive; cops aren’t claiming gender identity as a motive.

    16. Jordan Cofer (only female-to-male on the list) — killed by xis brother along with 25 other people in the Dayton, Ohio mass shooting.

    17. Bailey Reeves — shot leaving a party, motives are unknown.

    18. Bee Love Slater — gruesome murder with no arrest, cops aren’t claiming gender identity as a motive.

    19. Jamagio Jamar Berryman — shot by xer date, cops aren’t claiming gender identity as a motive.

    20. Itali Marlowe — shot by xer roommate, no motive has been disclosed.

    21. Brianna Hill — after killing xer, the perp waited at the scene to be arrested. Cops say the shooting wasn’t related to transgender identity issues.

    22. Chynal Lindsey — a hooker whose body was discovered by a lake. Cops have arrested a suspect, haven’t offered a motive for the killing.

    Dreher: “So that’s the background on all the names on the Human Rights Campaign list. HRC’s report also cited the deaths of two other trans people — an immigrant who died in the hospital after being released from federal detention… and a transwoman who died in Rikers Island because [xer epilepsy wasn’t treated]… There is no evidence at all that the two victims’ transgender status had anything to do with their untimely deaths…”

    • Replies: @Dave3
    When a horny dude picks up a hooker and discovers that she has a penis, or a supperating wound between her legs, he's likely to react violently. Especially if he discovers this *after* fucking her.

    If they were alive, some of these trannies could be charged with "rape by deception" for tricking straight men into performing homosexual acts.
  62. “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic” was coined by noted English paederast Arthur C. Clarke. A mysterious world indeed!

  63. @Lot
    Is the surge in masculine men who want to become lesbians caused by Internet lesbian porn?

    Still pics and drawings of lesbian action have been around for a long time. The novel Fanny Hill had lesbian scenes and was published in mid 1700s, and many explicitly illustrated reprints were made in the 1800s.

    Until about 1985, however, it was difficult to regularly watch it on video. Even then, the selection was limited and expensive and it was low resolution. In the 1980s a 90-minute VHS tape was about $70 adjusted for inflation.

    You are on to something. Lesbian porn leads many from admiring 2 attractive chicks and fantasizing about having a couple of concubines to accepting lesbian lifestyle, which then leads many to start to accept gay male sex and then gay male lifestyle, and to tolerate the demands of hetero-despising fags and dykes.

    The end game is to have pederasty made acceptable in the society, to have pederasty made a sacred civil rights choice like being queer and aborting.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    You are on to something. Lesbian porn leads many from admiring 2 attractive chicks and fantasizing about having a couple of concubines to accepting lesbian lifestyle, which then leads many to start to accept gay male sex and then gay male lifestyle, and to tolerate the demands of hetero-despising fags and dykes.
     
    I think not.
  64. @Anonymous
    I saw the pic before I read anything and thought wow, that's a pretty convincing dude, I wouldn't know he was trans unless someone told me.

    Okay, Thats a man baby !

  65. @The Ronnie Evil Show
    Was'nt the psychotic killer in Silence of the Lambs "gender dysphoric"

    I'm just asking.

    Think that was in Austin Powers

  66. @ic1000
    Blogger Rod Dreher can't stay away from tl;dr territory, and some of his chief concerns strike me as idiosyncratic. But he's steadfast in his beliefs, and posts some worthwhile stuff.

    With Mx. Clymer chosen by the Human Rights Campaign to serve as their Press Secretary, it's on-topic to see how HRC helps to make the world a better place.

    Dreher's Dec. 20 post leads with:

    At last night’s Democratic debate, Elizabeth Warren solemnly declared that if she is elected, she will make a point of coming out onto the White House lawn once a year and reciting aloud the names of all the transgendered Americans who have been killed in the past year.

    Dying While Trans is a big thing on the Left, and in the mainstream media. We keep having stories — Google them, you’ll see — on the “epidemic” of murders of transgendered Americans. The American Medical Association has also labeled it an “epidemic.” According to the Human Rights Campaign (HRC), the leading LGBT lobby, 22 trans persons have been murdered so far in 2019.
     
    After the break is a condensed version of what Dreher found by Googling each of HRC's 22 epidemic-murder cases.

    You can't make up this stuff.

    All but #16 are male-to-female transgender. Links at Dreher's post.

    1. Dana Martin -- no arrest, no evidence of targeting due to xer trans-identity. Prior arrest for macing a store employee for interfering with xer shoplifting.

    2. Claire Legato -- shot when xhe interfered in an argument over a tax refund check.

    3. Muhlaysia Booker -- shot by a serial killer who targeted hookers.

    4. Ashanti Carmon -- shot as xhe was streetwalking.

    5. Michelle Washington -- hooker shot over an illegal gun deal.

    6. Paris Cameron -- one of three shot at a house party. The perp was mad because the victims had called him gay.

    7. Jazzaline Ware -- found dead in xer apartment, possibly from natural causes.

    8. Chanel Scurlock — shot in an armed robbery.

    9. Zoe Spears -- shot while streetwalking; cops say gender identity wasn't a motive.

    10. Brooklyn Lindsey -- hooker shot by xer john.

    11. Denali Berries Stuckey -- hooker shot by a former neighbor; cops say motives are unclear.

    12. Tracy Single -- killed by xer boyfriend.

    13. Kiki Fantroy -- shot by a street criminal; cops say gender identity wasn't a motive.

    14. Bubba Walker -- xer body was found in a burned house; circumstances of death are murky.

    15. Pebbles LaDime Doe -- a fugitive; cops aren't claiming gender identity as a motive.

    16. Jordan Cofer (only female-to-male on the list) -- killed by xis brother along with 25 other people in the Dayton, Ohio mass shooting.

    17. Bailey Reeves -- shot leaving a party, motives are unknown.

    18. Bee Love Slater -- gruesome murder with no arrest, cops aren't claiming gender identity as a motive.

    19. Jamagio Jamar Berryman -- shot by xer date, cops aren't claiming gender identity as a motive.

    20. Itali Marlowe -- shot by xer roommate, no motive has been disclosed.

    21. Brianna Hill -- after killing xer, the perp waited at the scene to be arrested. Cops say the shooting wasn’t related to transgender identity issues.

    22. Chynal Lindsey -- a hooker whose body was discovered by a lake. Cops have arrested a suspect, haven't offered a motive for the killing.

    Dreher: "So that’s the background on all the names on the Human Rights Campaign list. HRC’s report also cited the deaths of two other trans people — an immigrant who died in the hospital after being released from federal detention... and a transwoman who died in Rikers Island because [xer epilepsy wasn't treated]... There is no evidence at all that the two victims’ transgender status had anything to do with their untimely deaths..."

    When a horny dude picks up a hooker and discovers that she has a penis, or a supperating wound between her legs, he’s likely to react violently. Especially if he discovers this *after* fucking her.

    If they were alive, some of these trannies could be charged with “rape by deception” for tricking straight men into performing homosexual acts.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    When a horny dude picks up a hooker and discovers that she has a penis, or a supperating wound between her legs, he’s likely to react violently. Especially if he discovers this *after* fucking her.
     
    This is how many of the "transgender murders" that Fauxchohantas want to honor happen. Nobody is out looking for trannies to murder. Fauxchohantas is a bigger liar than HRC and even more unlikable.

    That said, I'm gonna get me a beer.
    , @Dissident

    When a horny dude picks up a hooker and discovers that she has a penis, or a supperating wound between her legs, he’s likely to react violently. Especially if he discovers this *after* fucking her.
     
    Did you perhaps mean to write, "When a horny and drunk dude..."? Minus such a qualifier, I find it rather difficult to imagine someone getting even nearly as far as you explicitly allowed for.

    At any rate, while I appreciate the larger point being made (esp. in the comment you replied-to), I can't say I have much sympathy for the type of individual you described (regardless of his state of sobriety).
  67. Charles “Charlotte” Clymer =

    “Hey hor,” Mr. [Hannibal] Lecter catcalls her.

    Archy Leach lost [the role of] Mr. Lecter [to Anthony Hopkins].

  68. @Lurker
    He would otherwise have been fast-tracked for rainbow flag rank.

    He would otherwise have been fast-tracked for rainbow flag rank.

    Steve likes to point out how local law enforcement has admirably served as a firebreak to hate hoax hysteria with its “apolitical”, “just the facts, ma’am” casework approach. But for how much longer? The US armed forces brass famously spooked Bill Clinton (and may have wrong-footed him for his entire Presidency) when it resisted his attempt, immediately after being sworn in, to introduce gays to the military.

    Ever since General “diversity can’t become our greatest casualty” Casey, though, I’ve gotten the distinct impression that the upper echelons of the military have become increasingly poz’d. Especially with the push to institute lady generals, how long before the senior command becomes a lez’d-out old girls network? This, of course, like all other experiments in institutional wokeness, will turn out badly as soon as we confront a foreign enemy that is not totally inept, but the point is no longer for the armed forces to serve as a shield against external aggression so much as to act as prison guard of the mental institution this country is increasingly become.

    • Replies: @Hockamaw

    but the point is no longer for the armed forces to serve as a shield against external aggression so much as to act as prison guard of the mental institution this country is increasingly become.
     
    Interesting comment. Thanks.
  69. I cracked up at his/her/its, “…transgender people embody the magical world of Harry Potter better than almost anyone.” Magical world indeed. They certainly don’t live in the real world.

    As to the need to be addressed by the pronoun of their choice. That pronoun is their choice, not mine, so why do they expect me to be bound by it?

    They are asking me to participate in their fantasy. No thank you. They are welcome to whatever fantasy they want, but I will not allow them to demand that I live in it with them. You can believe you are Queen Elizabeth with my blessing, just don’t expect me to address you as, “your majesty.”

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    As to the need to be addressed by the pronoun of their choice. That pronoun is their choice, not mine, so why do they expect me to be bound by it?
     
    Everyone is addressed with the same pronoun: you.

    They're demanding that you do what they want when they're not around. These "pronouns" are third-person pronouns.
    , @MB
    "They are asking me to participate in their fantasy. No thank you. They are welcome to whatever fantasy they want, but I will not allow them to demand that I live in it with them. You can believe you are Queen Elizabeth with my blessing, just don’t expect me to address you as, “your majesty.”"

    Ditto the Obergefell fiasco, contra Justice Kennedy's fantasies.

    'Whatever pal, but he's really not your wife.'
  70. Well Steve, transgenderism isn’t all bad. I mean, in my former big city of Chicago, a trans woman may have helped gain women the right to dance topless at strip clubs, I mean Gentlemen’s Clubs, that serve liquor:

    https://chicago.suntimes.com/city-hall/2019/12/19/21031042/city-could-lift-topless-ban-on-strip-clubs-with-liquor-licenses-after-settling-suit-with-trans-woman

    TL/DR:
    – Chicago ordinance prohibits nudie bars that have a liquor license from having female dancers dancing with their breasts exposed. Male dancers do not have this restriction
    – “Bea” Sullivan-Knoff, who looks more like the Karen “May I speak to the manager, please” meme than a woman, is a transgender “woman” who is also a “performance artist” whose act requires “her” to dance topless 🤨
    – “Bea” files suit in Federal court because “Sullivan-Knoff, a performance artist, described the measure as “sexist and transphobic,” slamming the restriction as an “embarrassment” to a modern American city.”
    – City settles out of court, City Council admits it will amend the ordinance and vote on it to allow topless dancing for men, women, and all 57 other genders.

    Weimar here we come.

  71. @Buzz Mohawk
    In the US, the Southern women are hotter and more feminine than the Northern. This is probably related to what you say.

    Southern women also make more of an effort to appear feminine and pretty. Some of the femi-journos Steve has talked about look like they didn’t even brush their hair for their profile picture.

  72. @PhysicistDave
    It's worth repeating what Rowling actually posted:

    Dress however you please.

    Call yourself whatever you like. Sleep with any consenting adult who’ll have you.

    Live your best life in peace and security. But force women out of their jobs for stating that sex is real?
     

    Let's be honest: almost everyone in the West agrees with Rowling. (Though in Dar al-Islam, I suppose her post would be viewed as typical of Western decadence.)

    I hope everyone is seeing why we must defend Rowling: not so much to defend her (though she is a fellow human being with certain inalienable rights), but to defend all the rest of us, the vast, overhwelming majority of the human race.

    J.K. Rowling’s reps turn down GLAAD’s offer to “facilitate a discussion” with members of the trans community.

    JKR knows a trap when she sees one.

    https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2019/12/21/j-k-rowlings-reps-turn-down-glaads-offer-to-facilitate-a-discussion-with-members-of-the-trans-community/

  73. @Altai
    Every mention of 'Charlotte' Clymer is mandated by internet law to require posting of this picture of him.

    https://media.spinster.xyz/media_attachments/files/000/012/847/original/573ae5822b5385da.jpg

    “It puts the lotion on the skin or else it gets the hose again!”

  74. It is a while since I read Harry Potter, but I am pretty sure that one of the messages was that there is evil in the world and that if you meekly surrender to what you are told to do then that evil might win.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Not really.

    It’s two power groups: Potter and Voldemort. Potter’s side seems more liberty-loving. Voldemort wants world domination. Both use magic, and evil creatures. It’s a “my group against yours” mentality. No absolute moral good, rather a choice of evil/less evil.

    JKRowling apparently researched (or is) wicca and actual spells. Kids can learn them. Play at being witches/warlords. Evil and cunning.
  75. @Abe

    He would otherwise have been fast-tracked for rainbow flag rank.
     
    Steve likes to point out how local law enforcement has admirably served as a firebreak to hate hoax hysteria with its “apolitical”, “just the facts, ma’am” casework approach. But for how much longer? The US armed forces brass famously spooked Bill Clinton (and may have wrong-footed him for his entire Presidency) when it resisted his attempt, immediately after being sworn in, to introduce gays to the military.

    Ever since General “diversity can’t become our greatest casualty” Casey, though, I’ve gotten the distinct impression that the upper echelons of the military have become increasingly poz’d. Especially with the push to institute lady generals, how long before the senior command becomes a lez’d-out old girls network? This, of course, like all other experiments in institutional wokeness, will turn out badly as soon as we confront a foreign enemy that is not totally inept, but the point is no longer for the armed forces to serve as a shield against external aggression so much as to act as prison guard of the mental institution this country is increasingly become.

    but the point is no longer for the armed forces to serve as a shield against external aggression so much as to act as prison guard of the mental institution this country is increasingly become.

    Interesting comment. Thanks.

  76. @KarlUB
    Sex and gender are different things, right? Isn't what that I was supposed to learn in order to avoid this confusion?

    This woman is a woman because her culturally constructed gender identity is female. So, being a polite man, I don't really have any trouble accommodating her in this regard.

    From a biological perspective, though, her sex is male. At least until we get a lot better at gene editing.

    Right? Wasn't this is the woke version about four years ago?

    This woman is a woman because her culturally constructed gender identity is female. So, being a polite man, I don’t really have any trouble accommodating her in this regard.

    Get over your urge to politely accommodate. It’s just making things worse.

  77. I feel as if we are in some dry English comedy skit where a guest has realized his hosts are too polite to criticize him for anything he does, no matter how outrageous, so he engages in increasingly outrageous behavior in their presence simply to see if there are any limits.

    We need to stop being polite.

  78. @Altai
    Also worth posting his post-modern drunkards progress-like Twitter bio evolution that could be a metaphor for woke Twitter writ large.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQ41wYGUIAYqfKw.jpg:large

    https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/charles-clymer-jpg.644747/

    I can't quite get the embed to work for the one with the 2018 update but it's worth clicking the link above to see.

    And his current Twitter avatar.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1198480878688776192/z4w4mpS5_400x400.jpg

    He is so internet-famous he has his own lengthy thread on Kiwi Farms. Threats of severe violence are a common aspect of his internet debate style.

    https://kiwifarms.net/threads/charles-clymer-charlotte-clymer-cmclymer.52451/

    Actually having read a lot of the Kiwi Farms stuff now, I wonder if his transgender thing is all an elaborate troll against feminists, trannies and SJWs. I can respect that, if that’s the case.

  79. “a joke only god himself could come up with”

    SailerSimulation

  80. @RichardTaylor
    Is it just me, or do healthy, reproducing, traditional human populations appear more sexually dimorphic? I swear I can look at a conservative Christian group and the women look more curvy and the men more masculine.

    People in Austin literally look different than a group of sexy Christians in a small town.

    Is it just me, or do healthy, reproducing, traditional human populations appear more sexually dimorphic?

    Having your sex hormones in balance probably makes you feel more “conservative,” especially in terms of seeing the value of “vive la difference.” On the other hand, people whose sexuality is misfiring in some way probably feel alienated. In particular, women who aren’t attracted, or attractive, to men tend to gravitate toward a resentful “smash the patriarchy” ideology.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
    I would say it is a positive feedback loop, like many other healthy things.
    Even the most beat-up skinhead hussy complete with DocM, pinto stretch jeans and "Endstufe" tank top is most definitely female; I cannot say the same of the opposition.
    So small wonder we have better sex :P

    cf. Otto Weininger (1903), "Geschlecht und Charakter"
  81. @Altai
    Also worth posting his post-modern drunkards progress-like Twitter bio evolution that could be a metaphor for woke Twitter writ large.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQ41wYGUIAYqfKw.jpg:large

    https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/charles-clymer-jpg.644747/

    I can't quite get the embed to work for the one with the 2018 update but it's worth clicking the link above to see.

    And his current Twitter avatar.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1198480878688776192/z4w4mpS5_400x400.jpg

    He is so internet-famous he has his own lengthy thread on Kiwi Farms. Threats of severe violence are a common aspect of his internet debate style.

    https://kiwifarms.net/threads/charles-clymer-charlotte-clymer-cmclymer.52451/

    Psychopath killer in a Brian De Palma movie. This dude’s existence is both tragic and comic. Mostly comic.

  82. @Anonymous
    Everybody should read the Kiwifarms link. As a man, Clymer tried to become the face of "male feminism," but was quickly ostracized for his aggressive and condescending behavior (trying to "mansplain" feminism to women, essentially). He then resurfaced as a she, complete with the standard tranny accoutrements of ludicrously bad make-up, exaggerated/fabricated stories of "discrimination" and ridiculous preening over handbags, heels and other stereotypically "girly" things. As with other autogynophiles he's still romantically involved with women and I'm quite sure he doesn't take hormones (never mind getting surgery). The man remains, in other words. That picture of a slouch-shoulder Clymer--in all his subtly menacing glory--lecturing a real woman about who-knows-what inspired 4chan to some of its finest work:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_x-hTuX4AMIzmM.jpg

    I've come to appreciate Chuck/Charlotte; his idiocy has a certain sublime quality to it, and the way he's managed to turn his absurd life into a career...well, can't knock the hustle. When I see a grifter like this my reaction is always the same: "Only in America!"

    When kidnapping victim Elizabeth Smart was found, she initially denied her identity, i.e. she was loyal to the nasty-hobo-bum-kidnapper-rapist.

    What was going through her head??? Well, I’d imagine it was precisely the same cowed emotions the woman in this picture felt, times 100.

  83. @Stan d Mute

    it has broken my heart in recent years to see Rowling’s inexplicable replacement of justice-minded imagination with a bigotry-driven rejection of science and reality.
     

    transgender people embody the magical world of Harry Potter better than almost anyone.
     
    Wait, I thought he said “science and reality”? This is the funniest shit I’ve seen in ages, even more hysterical than the magic negroes Hollywood keeps creating.

    Am I a bad person to find insanity funny?

    “Am I a bad person to find insanity funny?”

    Laugh in the face of the Abyss. It’s really all we can do.

  84. @Anonymous
    Everybody should read the Kiwifarms link. As a man, Clymer tried to become the face of "male feminism," but was quickly ostracized for his aggressive and condescending behavior (trying to "mansplain" feminism to women, essentially). He then resurfaced as a she, complete with the standard tranny accoutrements of ludicrously bad make-up, exaggerated/fabricated stories of "discrimination" and ridiculous preening over handbags, heels and other stereotypically "girly" things. As with other autogynophiles he's still romantically involved with women and I'm quite sure he doesn't take hormones (never mind getting surgery). The man remains, in other words. That picture of a slouch-shoulder Clymer--in all his subtly menacing glory--lecturing a real woman about who-knows-what inspired 4chan to some of its finest work:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_x-hTuX4AMIzmM.jpg

    I've come to appreciate Chuck/Charlotte; his idiocy has a certain sublime quality to it, and the way he's managed to turn his absurd life into a career...well, can't knock the hustle. When I see a grifter like this my reaction is always the same: "Only in America!"

    Rowling effectively dismissed all of this, suggesting that Forstater was being fired for “stating that sex is real,” a common transphobic assertion . . . .”

    This is a pretty good example of Wittgenstein’s hypothesis that all philosophical debates are just semantic debates. Of course sex is real. No matter what word we use for him, this guy in the picture still has a y chromosome and male morphology. But if society designates him to legally be a woman, nothing about those biological facts changes.

    So both sets of facts are true, but they are battling for possession of the words “sex” and “woman.”

    • Replies: @vinteuil
    ...they are battling for possession of the words “sex” and “woman.”

    Just so
    , @HA
    they are battling for possession of the words “sex” and “woman.”

    And most importantly, "science".

    Wait, you thought it was the XY-and XX-means-nothing crowd that's in the business of denying science? Prepare to be schooled:


    GLAAD’s Head of Talent Anthony Ramos released a statement saying: “J.K. Rowling, whose books gave kids hope that they could work together to create a better world, has now aligned herself with an anti-science ideology that denies the basic humanity of people who are transgender..."
     
    And really, who could possibly be more authoritative about what constitutes true science than GLAAD's "Head of Talent"?
  85. The author of the WaPo op-ed asserts that “stating that sex is real” is “a common transphobic assertion that has been dismissed by medical experts and other scientists.” However the linked article, which many of the op-ed’s commentators treat as scientifically authoritative, is in fact a poorly reasoned blog post hosted on the Scientific American web site, by someone who styles him/herself as “Simón(e) D Sun.”

    The post makes a handwaving argument that goes like this: sexual development is a complicated process, yada yada yada, therefore “sex in not binary.” But none of the arguments made — such as the fact that “XX individuals could present with male gonads” and “XY individuals can have ovaries” — even come close to supporting that conclusion, since the conditions mentioned can all be interpreted far more naturally as birth defects. The post goes on like this all the way through. Seriously, it’s is worth reading simply as an exercise in picking out bad logic. The fact that Scientific American is willing to put its imprimatur on this sort of thing is very, very telling!

  86. @Stan d Mute

    “Helicopter Bob” Tur, who happens to be father (mother?) to NBC News celeb Katy Tur: media reports claimed that Katy did not deal well with the “transition.”
     
    One has to wonder, how does one address “Dad” after dad puts on a dress and pretends to be a woman? The tranny movement needs to address this burning question.

    I’ve seen a young woman throwing the word Dad into every sentence when addressing the bearded middle-aged person who once was her mother.

    She had already lost much of her mother and didn’t want to lose her all the way, my guess.

    If a “man” can have periods and get pregnant, why can’t a “man” be a mother?.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    If a “man” can have periods and get pregnant, why can’t a “man” be a mother?.
     
    Arnold and Danny DeVito were ahead of their time.

    https://youtu.be/J-H2mZJ-D3A
  87. @inertial
    US Army should create a unit comprised entirely of ex-military ex-men. Commanded by Colonel Jennifer Natalya Pritzker, naturally.

    Ah, at long last the Army puts one up on those toxic masculine Thebans and their homonormative Battle of Leuktra*.

    I think I can hear the Russians trembling …
    at least the ground just shook a little 😛

    * they were such infamous sissies their homos were the only demographic with a modicum of cohesion and shape (from spending all day in the gym) and they succeeded in hacking the Spartan king to pieces; the problems started when the Spartan women claimed their right (!) to be inseminated by the victors 😀

  88. @miss marple
    Don't you think there's some possibility of this guy having been brainwashed?

    Methinks “ass-reamed” is the word you´re groping for.

  89. @HammerJack
    One of several reasons I'll never be a tranny is the colossal degree of effort required. But this guy is hardly even trying.

    I’m trying to understand the “logical” progression to “I’m a woman trapped in a man’s body”. Are these guys unable to assert themselves or are they extremely self centered, needing all attention focused on them? For instance, is it more likely that the introverted mailman will go Trans or that someone like Donald Trump will?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Generally, every ex-man to have achieved some degree of celebrity before announcing he was a girl on the inside was a pretty masculine, aggressive, self-centered guy, perhaps though not a classic Big Man like Trump but more of a nerd.

    Big Men like Trump have slightly feminine skills of thinking hard about personalities and often in taking things personally. The ex-men tend to be self-centered but aren't much interested in other people.

  90. @Hypnotoad666

    Is it just me, or do healthy, reproducing, traditional human populations appear more sexually dimorphic?
     
    Having your sex hormones in balance probably makes you feel more "conservative," especially in terms of seeing the value of "vive la difference." On the other hand, people whose sexuality is misfiring in some way probably feel alienated. In particular, women who aren't attracted, or attractive, to men tend to gravitate toward a resentful "smash the patriarchy" ideology.

    I would say it is a positive feedback loop, like many other healthy things.
    Even the most beat-up skinhead hussy complete with DocM, pinto stretch jeans and “Endstufe” tank top is most definitely female; I cannot say the same of the opposition.
    So small wonder we have better sex 😛

    cf. Otto Weininger (1903), “Geschlecht und Charakter”

  91. What a laugh. These mouthy trans freaks rising up as one Against Rowling.

  92. ” . . . the saying “sex is real” is a common transphobic assertion that has been dismissed by medical experts and other scientists . . . ”

    There is a way to find out with certainty: Test the person’s chromosomes, and find out if mental illness is instead the real issue.

  93. @Lot
    Is the surge in masculine men who want to become lesbians caused by Internet lesbian porn?

    Still pics and drawings of lesbian action have been around for a long time. The novel Fanny Hill had lesbian scenes and was published in mid 1700s, and many explicitly illustrated reprints were made in the 1800s.

    Until about 1985, however, it was difficult to regularly watch it on video. Even then, the selection was limited and expensive and it was low resolution. In the 1980s a 90-minute VHS tape was about $70 adjusted for inflation.

    The novel Fanny Hill had lesbian scenes

    For those who don’t speak British English, the word “fanny” has a different meaning over there, making this a double entendre.

  94. @Stan d Mute

    “Helicopter Bob” Tur, who happens to be father (mother?) to NBC News celeb Katy Tur: media reports claimed that Katy did not deal well with the “transition.”
     
    One has to wonder, how does one address “Dad” after dad puts on a dress and pretends to be a woman? The tranny movement needs to address this burning question.

    how does one address “Dad” after dad puts on a dress and pretends to be a woman? The tranny movement needs to address this burning question.

    Friends addressed this pre-9/11, but I don’t think this episode gets made in the same way now. It is Chandler’s wedding day, and he is getting walked down the aisle by his mother Morgan Fairchild and his father Kathleen Turner.

  95. @Desiderius
    No father.

    Patriarchy is civilization.

    A simple search for “charlotte clymer father” yields this comment from Google:

    Missing: father ‎| Must include: father

    But elsewhere we do find answers, of a kind, on his father, and more.

    It looks like this Charlotte Clymer, born Charles Clymer, wrote the following on Reddit in a thread titled “Have you ever cut someone close to you completely out of your life?” under the handle ItsMisterRogers, on Nov. 19, 2011:

    My mother sexually abused me for ten years, my father was emotionally distant, my stepmother was a legitimately evil bitch, and the rest of my family was complicit in all this.

    I nearly committed suicide, earlier this year [2011], but I’d have been worse off if I maintained contact.

    This sounds like a sad story. Who knows the extent to which what he wrote is true, but there he is characterizing his own parents. His father was present in some sense, in that he (at the least) knew him, but there is clearly an early-childhood divorce here.

    In any case, with this line about nearly committing suicide at some point ca. mid 2011 we have the reason for his dropping out of West Point and medical separation from the US Army (effective Jan. 2012).

    Charlotte (born Charles) Clymer

    If the Reddit archive can be believed, the (then-)guy once blogged under charlesclymer dot blogspot dot com, which was attached to the ItsMisterRogers reddit account, which posted the lines against his parents and on his own 2011 suicidal thoughts.

    • Replies: @Hail
    For Clymer's archive of comments on Reddit from 2011, see here.

    I looked through some of them and will highlight a few more he posted around the same late-2011 timeframe.

    This would be several years before he came out as Trans (came out, Nov. 2017; diagnosis, late 2015). They offer further political, psychological, and personal-biographical info. The portrait of man either early on in the Trans trajectory or soon to be so:

    ________


    Reddit, I need help. My 27 year old fiancee got diagnosed with an extremely rare form of cancer today. We have no insurance. Living in CA. The doctor said he would have done the surgery today if we were insured. What can we do? by [deleted] in AskReddit

    ItsMisterRogers 10 points [Nov. 17, 2011]

    How f*** did this turn into a Christian-bashing fest? Look, I know the GOP/Christian Right are a bunch of assholes, but they don't represent all Christians. I really wish some Atheists would get this through their fucking skulls.

    OP, I'm really sorry to hear about your situation.
     

    Here was have Charles Clymer expressing a pretty down-the-middle Middle America-ish conservative worldview, a worldview which he was likely in the (long-term) process of psychologically detaching as he wrote those words. The other posts I've looked at from him in 2011 also suggest someone who leaned more Republican than Democrat at the time.

    He started a thread twelve days earlier called "A Christian's Adventure in r/Atheism." It linked to an image which was survived, eight years later. The image was a crude cartoon with narration, and I think autobiographical. The image is here; it starts the line "*le me, a born-again Christian who was abused as a child by Atheist parents." The thread got dozens of comments, and here is one of Clymer's replies:


    A Christian's adventure in r/Atheism... by ItsMisterRogers in atheism

    ItsMisterRogers[S] 1 point [Nov. 5, 2011]

    Yes, that's correct. I have every scientific belief you do (all the basics, anyway)...

    I choose to belief in God because I had an experience that changed my life. The fact that Christ preachs love and tolerance certainly helps that along.
     

    Here he is characterizing himself as a pretty left-wing Christian, in another thread he'd earlier started:

    The follow-up to my post "An open letter to Reddit Atheists from a Christian..." by ItsMisterRogers in atheism

    ItsMisterRogers[S] 1 point [Nov. 4, 2011]

    I don't attend a Church that rails against women, gays, and Muslims.

    I don't pray for Atheists to convert.

    But I did pray to this Christian God, and He answered. What are you gonna do, you know? But seriously, it happened, and that's all I have to go on. That's why I'm a Christian.
     


    The follow-up to my post "An open letter to Reddit Atheists from a Christian..." by ItsMisterRogers in atheism

    ItsMisterRogers[S] 1 point [Nov. 4, 2011]

    Well, it doesn't. Most of those laws are obsolete and no longer recognized by the vast majority of Christians. Homosexuality is one of them.
     

    ________

    Mario Kart Iraq by TheSpaceHobo in fffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu

    ItsMisterRogers 11 points [Nov. 13, 2011]

    My friend was injured in an IED (pretty badly), a few days ago. Stay safe, brother. Thanks for your service.
     

    For someone of Clymer's age (born Oct. 1986; age 16 at the build-up-to-and-initial-invasion period (late 2002 to spring 2003); age 25 by late 2011 at the time of posting) and of military orientation (so to speak), speaking vaguely of someone injured in Iraq will be a kind of stock reference.

    Is it plausible that he had an (actual) friend injured in Iraq in the second week of November 2011? Many will recall that by 2011 the war was winding down. Was the US army still even sustaining IED casualties by this time? I see at icasualties.org that the US lost two dead and five to ten wounded in the whole month of Nov. 2011, an average of about two wounded per week, all branches and all forms of injury included. Maybe it's possible that Clymer knew one of these men, or maybe (more likely?) it was just a lie to puff himself up in some way to Internet people.

    ________


    92 year old British veteran remembers his friends by caspervox in pics

    ItsMisterRogers 18 points [Nov. 12, 2011]

    I served for three years in the Old Guard, burying our fallen men and women in uniform in Arlington National Cemetery. That's the same thought I had nearly every funeral. There's a treasure trove of poignant images that stick in my mind, but it was my very first funeral that has stuck the most with me:

    A Vietnam veteran was being laid to rest but his casket hadn't yet been moved outside the Chapel. One of his Army brothers stayed outside photographing the Caisson horses and the two platoons of us Honor Guard troops standing at attention. Without warning, he suddenly lowers his camera and breaks down sobbing for several minutes. It was the most heartbreaking thing I've ever seen.
     

    So he was at Ft. Myer, Virginia (across river from Washington DC), with ceremonial duties, in 2006, 2007, and 2008. By early 2009 he was on track to West Point, clearly having impressed someone and scored well on the military's IQ-like tests.

    This early-20s experience in Northern Virginia / Washington explains his post-army relocation to Washington DC and his successful drive to claw his way into a quasi-political life in lucrative activism/lobbying (with the whole Trans thing partly a component of the latter, once the opportunity came up in the mid- and late-2010s).

    ________


    I am Neil deGrasse Tyson. I guess this is where I do this? AMA by neildegrassetysonama in IAmA

    ItsMisterRogers 0 points [Nov. 11, 2011]

    Sir, no question here. I just wanted to thank you for your ability to make complex scientific concepts easy to understand.

    I'm not very good at science, but I've been devouring your YouTube videos because they're entertaining. So, thank you!
     

    ________

    Watch Rick Perry's Campaign End Before Your Eyes by 2001greatestyear in politics

    ItsMisterRogers 85 points [Nov. 10, 2011]

    Aaaaaand Romney's the nominee.
     

    This reddit was to a Youtube video that has long since been removed.

    Clymer correctly called the Romney nomination correctly; it's hard to remember what the consensus view was, but I don't think Romney was the overwhelming favorite yet by mid-November 2011.

    ________


    The US healthcare system sucks fucking balls. After paying an estimated $13,884 over the years, I finally used my insurance to get a tube of cream... my insurance would cover $70 of the $270 cost. Ended up buying from Canada for 87% less with no insurance. by lambcaseded in politics

    ItsMisterRogers 1 point [Nov. 9, 2011]

    It's funny... military healthare--you know, socialist healthcare--is freaking awesome.

    I have Tricare, and I've never paid a cent for anything. Seriously legit.
     

    Or, How I learned to Love Big Brother, by Charles/otte Clymer.

    ________

    Finally, two more biographical tidbits he gives.

    I had initially thought he might be of Mormon origin, being born in Utah, but he repeatedly characterizes his parents as atheists, and then says this on his own church affiliation:


    An open letter to the Atheists of Reddit from a Christian... by ItsMisterRogers in atheism

    ItsMisterRogers[S] 1 point 8 years ago
    Yep, I go regularly. Non-denominational protestant.
     

    On his parents:

    An open letter to the Atheists of Reddit from a Christian... by ItsMisterRogers in atheism

    [–]ItsMisterRogers[S] -2 points 8 years ago
    My atheist parents actually threw me out of the house when I converted at 18.
     

    He graduated from high school in June 2005, and enlisted in the US Army in Nov. 2005. This "threw me out of the house" thing, whatever it was, might be placed in fall 2005. I would again be skeptical of the exact truth here (see IED incident, above), but it is him on record, in a sense, on (implicitly) how he ended up in the US army by late 2005.

    He also wrote, in Nov. 2011, that he hadn't talked to any members of his family since about late 2007.

    ________

    For those who really want to, there are more posts of his to read, and I think going through them is a useful exercise in the character analysis. This is no two-bit nobody, even if he is not a household name, but rather someone near the vanguard of the regime's (still-)current, domestic revolution-from-above.

    I hope these extracts, and placing them in his biographical context, are helpful to some who are reading.

  96. “Step outside, I’ll show you a sir!”

  97. @Hail
    Posts at iSteve with "Ex-Men" in the title (there have been nine so far), chronological:

    Trans Ex-Men vs. Feminists in Slappy Fight at London's Speaker's Corner | STEVE SAILER • September 17, 2017 • 300 WORDS • 66 comments

    Why Do Late Onset Ex-Men Tend to be on the Right? | STEVE SAILER • January 17, 2019 • 300 words • 160 comments

    TERF Fight: In UK, Lesbian Feminists Are Allowed to Criticize Transgender Ex-Men. Disgusting! | STEVE SAILER • February 7, 2019 • 1,100 words • 159 comments

    Martina Navratilova Takes on the Ex-Men Lobby | STEVE SAILER • February 18, 2019 • 300 words • 114 comments

    AP: Haters Hate Stunning and Brave Ex-Men Jocks Taking Over Women's Sport | STEVE SAILER • February 27, 2019 • 500 words • 190 comments

    The Toxic Masculinity of Ex-Men | STEVE SAILER • December 7, 2019 • 400 words • 80 comments

    Pushback Against Ex-Men Supremacy in the UK | STEVE SAILER • December 9, 2019 • 200 words • 59 comments

    And Then the Ex-Men Came for Harry Potter ... | STEVE SAILER • December 19, 2019 • 500 words • 138 comments

    Washington Post: Ex-Men, Such as (To Pick a Random Example) ME, Are Magic | STEVE SAILER • December 21, 2019 • 500 words • comments ongoing

    It occurs to me that ‘ex-men’ is in its own way as unsatisfactory a phrase as ‘trans-women’.

    There is a perfectly good English word for a man who has had his genitals shaved to the bone. That word is ‘eunuch’, which I propose we bring back into use. For those who only dress as women, we can use ‘faux eunuch’, or perhaps ‘eunuch-inn-waiting’.
    This saves us from making one of two mistakes: that these are ex-men, for mutilated though they be, they are still men; and that these are any kind of woman, for no woman is a man.
    For the women who try to be men, we can reserve the phrase ‘cross dressers’, perhaps prefacing it with ‘mutilated’ if they have enjoyed the benefits of surgery.

  98. @miss marple
    I'm trying to understand the "logical" progression to "I'm a woman trapped in a man's body". Are these guys unable to assert themselves or are they extremely self centered, needing all attention focused on them? For instance, is it more likely that the introverted mailman will go Trans or that someone like Donald Trump will?

    Generally, every ex-man to have achieved some degree of celebrity before announcing he was a girl on the inside was a pretty masculine, aggressive, self-centered guy, perhaps though not a classic Big Man like Trump but more of a nerd.

    Big Men like Trump have slightly feminine skills of thinking hard about personalities and often in taking things personally. The ex-men tend to be self-centered but aren’t much interested in other people.

    • Replies: @miss marple
    So your idea is that Trans m2f crave the limelight but are bad at guessing what would most impress an audience.

    OK. It's a good guess but doesn't have much predictive value.

    I've also noticed a minor Armenian connection to the Trans epidemic which I think is statistically significant because the Armenian population is small. Care to comment on this?
    , @Dmitri
    Clymer is apparently getting back in touch with his inner nerd as he competed in the 2019 U.S. Women's Open chess tournament. http://www.uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201906127522 .
    However, finishing tied for 26th-29th place out of 31 players doesn't bode well for his future in womens chess, as this tournament had some good players but far from the top women.

    Hear this podcast where he humorously recalls losing to a nine year old in the second round and the girl lecturing him on his poor play after the game: https://new.uschess.org/news/ladies-knight-charlotte-clymer-podcast/
    , @BB753
    You're a genius, Steve! Trump would win in a landslide if he ran as a woman and become the first female POTUS! Take that, Hillary!
  99. @Hail
    A simple search for "charlotte clymer father" yields this comment from Google:

    Missing: father ‎| Must include: father
     
    But elsewhere we do find answers, of a kind, on his father, and more.

    It looks like this Charlotte Clymer, born Charles Clymer, wrote the following on Reddit in a thread titled "Have you ever cut someone close to you completely out of your life?" under the handle ItsMisterRogers, on Nov. 19, 2011:


    My mother sexually abused me for ten years, my father was emotionally distant, my stepmother was a legitimately evil bitch, and the rest of my family was complicit in all this.

    I nearly committed suicide, earlier this year [2011], but I'd have been worse off if I maintained contact.
     

    This sounds like a sad story. Who knows the extent to which what he wrote is true, but there he is characterizing his own parents. His father was present in some sense, in that he (at the least) knew him, but there is clearly an early-childhood divorce here.

    In any case, with this line about nearly committing suicide at some point ca. mid 2011 we have the reason for his dropping out of West Point and medical separation from the US Army (effective Jan. 2012).


    Charlotte (born Charles) Clymer
     
    If the Reddit archive can be believed, the (then-)guy once blogged under charlesclymer dot blogspot dot com, which was attached to the ItsMisterRogers reddit account, which posted the lines against his parents and on his own 2011 suicidal thoughts.

    For Clymer’s archive of comments on Reddit from 2011, see here.

    I looked through some of them and will highlight a few more he posted around the same late-2011 timeframe.

    This would be several years before he came out as Trans (came out, Nov. 2017; diagnosis, late 2015). They offer further political, psychological, and personal-biographical info. The portrait of man either early on in the Trans trajectory or soon to be so:

    [MORE]

    ________

    Reddit, I need help. My 27 year old fiancee got diagnosed with an extremely rare form of cancer today. We have no insurance. Living in CA. The doctor said he would have done the surgery today if we were insured. What can we do? by [deleted] in AskReddit

    ItsMisterRogers 10 points [Nov. 17, 2011]

    How f*** did this turn into a Christian-bashing fest? Look, I know the GOP/Christian Right are a bunch of assholes, but they don’t represent all Christians. I really wish some Atheists would get this through their fucking skulls.

    OP, I’m really sorry to hear about your situation.

    Here was have Charles Clymer expressing a pretty down-the-middle Middle America-ish conservative worldview, a worldview which he was likely in the (long-term) process of psychologically detaching as he wrote those words. The other posts I’ve looked at from him in 2011 also suggest someone who leaned more Republican than Democrat at the time.

    He started a thread twelve days earlier called “A Christian’s Adventure in r/Atheism.” It linked to an image which was survived, eight years later. The image was a crude cartoon with narration, and I think autobiographical. The image is here; it starts the line “*le me, a born-again Christian who was abused as a child by Atheist parents.” The thread got dozens of comments, and here is one of Clymer’s replies:

    A Christian’s adventure in r/Atheism… by ItsMisterRogers in atheism

    ItsMisterRogers[S] 1 point [Nov. 5, 2011]

    Yes, that’s correct. I have every scientific belief you do (all the basics, anyway)…

    I choose to belief in God because I had an experience that changed my life. The fact that Christ preachs love and tolerance certainly helps that along.

    Here he is characterizing himself as a pretty left-wing Christian, in another thread he’d earlier started:

    The follow-up to my post “An open letter to Reddit Atheists from a Christian…” by ItsMisterRogers in atheism

    ItsMisterRogers[S] 1 point [Nov. 4, 2011]

    I don’t attend a Church that rails against women, gays, and Muslims.

    I don’t pray for Atheists to convert.

    But I did pray to this Christian God, and He answered. What are you gonna do, you know? But seriously, it happened, and that’s all I have to go on. That’s why I’m a Christian.

    The follow-up to my post “An open letter to Reddit Atheists from a Christian…” by ItsMisterRogers in atheism

    ItsMisterRogers[S] 1 point [Nov. 4, 2011]

    Well, it doesn’t. Most of those laws are obsolete and no longer recognized by the vast majority of Christians. Homosexuality is one of them.

    ________

    Mario Kart Iraq by TheSpaceHobo in fffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu

    ItsMisterRogers 11 points [Nov. 13, 2011]

    My friend was injured in an IED (pretty badly), a few days ago. Stay safe, brother. Thanks for your service.

    For someone of Clymer’s age (born Oct. 1986; age 16 at the build-up-to-and-initial-invasion period (late 2002 to spring 2003); age 25 by late 2011 at the time of posting) and of military orientation (so to speak), speaking vaguely of someone injured in Iraq will be a kind of stock reference.

    Is it plausible that he had an (actual) friend injured in Iraq in the second week of November 2011? Many will recall that by 2011 the war was winding down. Was the US army still even sustaining IED casualties by this time? I see at icasualties.org that the US lost two dead and five to ten wounded in the whole month of Nov. 2011, an average of about two wounded per week, all branches and all forms of injury included. Maybe it’s possible that Clymer knew one of these men, or maybe (more likely?) it was just a lie to puff himself up in some way to Internet people.

    ________

    92 year old British veteran remembers his friends by caspervox in pics

    ItsMisterRogers 18 points [Nov. 12, 2011]

    I served for three years in the Old Guard, burying our fallen men and women in uniform in Arlington National Cemetery. That’s the same thought I had nearly every funeral. There’s a treasure trove of poignant images that stick in my mind, but it was my very first funeral that has stuck the most with me:

    A Vietnam veteran was being laid to rest but his casket hadn’t yet been moved outside the Chapel. One of his Army brothers stayed outside photographing the Caisson horses and the two platoons of us Honor Guard troops standing at attention. Without warning, he suddenly lowers his camera and breaks down sobbing for several minutes. It was the most heartbreaking thing I’ve ever seen.

    So he was at Ft. Myer, Virginia (across river from Washington DC), with ceremonial duties, in 2006, 2007, and 2008. By early 2009 he was on track to West Point, clearly having impressed someone and scored well on the military’s IQ-like tests.

    This early-20s experience in Northern Virginia / Washington explains his post-army relocation to Washington DC and his successful drive to claw his way into a quasi-political life in lucrative activism/lobbying (with the whole Trans thing partly a component of the latter, once the opportunity came up in the mid- and late-2010s).

    ________

    I am Neil deGrasse Tyson. I guess this is where I do this? AMA by neildegrassetysonama in IAmA

    ItsMisterRogers 0 points [Nov. 11, 2011]

    Sir, no question here. I just wanted to thank you for your ability to make complex scientific concepts easy to understand.

    I’m not very good at science, but I’ve been devouring your YouTube videos because they’re entertaining. So, thank you!

    ________

    Watch Rick Perry’s Campaign End Before Your Eyes by 2001greatestyear in politics

    ItsMisterRogers 85 points [Nov. 10, 2011]

    Aaaaaand Romney’s the nominee.

    This reddit was to a Youtube video that has long since been removed.

    Clymer correctly called the Romney nomination correctly; it’s hard to remember what the consensus view was, but I don’t think Romney was the overwhelming favorite yet by mid-November 2011.

    ________

    The US healthcare system sucks fucking balls. After paying an estimated $13,884 over the years, I finally used my insurance to get a tube of cream… my insurance would cover $70 of the $270 cost. Ended up buying from Canada for 87% less with no insurance. by lambcaseded in politics

    ItsMisterRogers 1 point [Nov. 9, 2011]

    It’s funny… military healthare–you know, socialist healthcare–is freaking awesome.

    I have Tricare, and I’ve never paid a cent for anything. Seriously legit.

    Or, How I learned to Love Big Brother, by Charles/otte Clymer.

    ________

    Finally, two more biographical tidbits he gives.

    I had initially thought he might be of Mormon origin, being born in Utah, but he repeatedly characterizes his parents as atheists, and then says this on his own church affiliation:

    An open letter to the Atheists of Reddit from a Christian… by ItsMisterRogers in atheism

    ItsMisterRogers[S] 1 point 8 years ago
    Yep, I go regularly. Non-denominational protestant.

    On his parents:

    An open letter to the Atheists of Reddit from a Christian… by ItsMisterRogers in atheism

    [–]ItsMisterRogers[S] -2 points 8 years ago
    My atheist parents actually threw me out of the house when I converted at 18.

    He graduated from high school in June 2005, and enlisted in the US Army in Nov. 2005. This “threw me out of the house” thing, whatever it was, might be placed in fall 2005. I would again be skeptical of the exact truth here (see IED incident, above), but it is him on record, in a sense, on (implicitly) how he ended up in the US army by late 2005.

    He also wrote, in Nov. 2011, that he hadn’t talked to any members of his family since about late 2007.

    ________

    For those who really want to, there are more posts of his to read, and I think going through them is a useful exercise in the character analysis. This is no two-bit nobody, even if he is not a household name, but rather someone near the vanguard of the regime’s (still-)current, domestic revolution-from-above.

    I hope these extracts, and placing them in his biographical context, are helpful to some who are reading.

  100. Anonymous[130] • Disclaimer says:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-50854359/the-studios-teaching-trans-women-how-to-be-more-feminine

    The studios teaching Trans women how to be more feminine

    Trans woman Nicole Thornbur goes to specialist studios to learn how to become more feminine.

    Privately-run Born studios in Manchester offers services including make-up lessons and voice coaching to people in the Trans community.

    Anyone notice when capitalizing the “t” in “trans” was added to the style guide?

    Note the ubiquitous use of “community.”

    • Replies: @Hail

    Note the ubiquitous use of “community.”
     
    Add 'Trans' to the list:

    Do you ever notice that the word “community,” has been — re-appropriated?

    The political class loves the word “community” for groups it approves of, and neglects to use it otherwise. Hence that famous phrase, so often heard from elite media and on down the line, “the Black community.” Never does one hear of a “White community.”

    “Intelligence community”: Likewise a sainted phrase, used and approved from on-high. When talking about US intelligence agencies, it seems almost obligatory to use this charming and inoffensive phrasing. “Community”!
     

  101. @Reg Cæsar
    What a most unconvincing picture.

    … In her tweet, Rowling effectively dismissed all of this, suggesting that Forstater was being fired for “stating that sex is real,” a common transphobic assertion that has been dismissed by medical experts and other scientists. …

     

    A sentence even more confused than Ms Social Clymer's "sexuality". Which assertion is being referred to? What exactly was dismissed by medical experts and other scientists?

    Are op-eds by non-professionals even edited these days?

    ...the constant miracle of overcoming considerable odds with love and courage to negotiate hatred, trans people, who leave our homes every day into a world full of discrimination and violence against our bodies and souls...

     

    This person was in the Army? Hardly even sounds like the mean girls' division of JROTC.

    Ehh, if Seal Team Six can produce a tranny, then no branch of the service can consider itself safe.

    Macho dudes with overactive sexual imaginations can accomplish a hell of a lot when they’re guided properly, and can spend their time bullying people into going along with their middle-aged perversions when they’re not.

  102. @Dave3
    When a horny dude picks up a hooker and discovers that she has a penis, or a supperating wound between her legs, he's likely to react violently. Especially if he discovers this *after* fucking her.

    If they were alive, some of these trannies could be charged with "rape by deception" for tricking straight men into performing homosexual acts.

    When a horny dude picks up a hooker and discovers that she has a penis, or a supperating wound between her legs, he’s likely to react violently. Especially if he discovers this *after* fucking her.

    This is how many of the “transgender murders” that Fauxchohantas want to honor happen. Nobody is out looking for trannies to murder. Fauxchohantas is a bigger liar than HRC and even more unlikable.

    That said, I’m gonna get me a beer.

  103. @Altai
    Every mention of 'Charlotte' Clymer is mandated by internet law to require posting of this picture of him.

    https://media.spinster.xyz/media_attachments/files/000/012/847/original/573ae5822b5385da.jpg

    Any Karen that young has to be Hispanic. Same with Jennifer.

    Even more so, Carol– or “Karol”:

    https://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/story/news/2019/12/20/nypd-karol-sanchez-abduction-arlington-high-school/2708112001/

  104. @Altai
    Also worth posting his post-modern drunkards progress-like Twitter bio evolution that could be a metaphor for woke Twitter writ large.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQ41wYGUIAYqfKw.jpg:large

    https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/charles-clymer-jpg.644747/

    I can't quite get the embed to work for the one with the 2018 update but it's worth clicking the link above to see.

    And his current Twitter avatar.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1198480878688776192/z4w4mpS5_400x400.jpg

    He is so internet-famous he has his own lengthy thread on Kiwi Farms. Threats of severe violence are a common aspect of his internet debate style.

    https://kiwifarms.net/threads/charles-clymer-charlotte-clymer-cmclymer.52451/

    And when Charles transitioned to Charlotte, xe became “proudly queer”. In other words, like 50% of M2F transsexuals, xe thinks xe is not only female but lesbian.

  105. @Anonymous
    https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-50854359/the-studios-teaching-trans-women-how-to-be-more-feminine

    The studios teaching Trans women how to be more feminine

    Trans woman Nicole Thornbur goes to specialist studios to learn how to become more feminine.

    Privately-run Born studios in Manchester offers services including make-up lessons and voice coaching to people in the Trans community.
     
    Anyone notice when capitalizing the "t" in "trans" was added to the style guide?

    Note the ubiquitous use of "community."

    Note the ubiquitous use of “community.”

    Add ‘Trans’ to the list:

    Do you ever notice that the word “community,” has been — re-appropriated?

    The political class loves the word “community” for groups it approves of, and neglects to use it otherwise. Hence that famous phrase, so often heard from elite media and on down the line, “the Black community.” Never does one hear of a “White community.”

    “Intelligence community”: Likewise a sainted phrase, used and approved from on-high. When talking about US intelligence agencies, it seems almost obligatory to use this charming and inoffensive phrasing. “Community”!

  106. @KarlUB
    Sex and gender are different things, right? Isn't what that I was supposed to learn in order to avoid this confusion?

    This woman is a woman because her culturally constructed gender identity is female. So, being a polite man, I don't really have any trouble accommodating her in this regard.

    From a biological perspective, though, her sex is male. At least until we get a lot better at gene editing.

    Right? Wasn't this is the woke version about four years ago?

    No, Karl, “her” gender identity is feminine (well, sort of). “Her” sex is male. Three genders: masculine, feminine, and neuter. Two sexes: male and female.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Gender being a human construct, I suggest we make it four: masculine, feminine, neuter, and deluded.
  107. @MBlanc46
    No, Karl, “her” gender identity is feminine (well, sort of). “Her” sex is male. Three genders: masculine, feminine, and neuter. Two sexes: male and female.

    Gender being a human construct, I suggest we make it four: masculine, feminine, neuter, and deluded.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Gender being a human construct, I suggest we make it four: masculine, feminine, neuter, and deluded.
     
    Fula has from 20 to 26 genders, depending on the dialect.

    https://wals.info/chapter/30

    Africa is big on gender. On this map, white means none, black, five or more:


    https://wals.info/feature/30A#1/26/148

  108. Anon[242] • Disclaimer says:
    @Smithsonian_6
    It is a while since I read Harry Potter, but I am pretty sure that one of the messages was that there is evil in the world and that if you meekly surrender to what you are told to do then that evil might win.

    Not really.

    It’s two power groups: Potter and Voldemort. Potter’s side seems more liberty-loving. Voldemort wants world domination. Both use magic, and evil creatures. It’s a “my group against yours” mentality. No absolute moral good, rather a choice of evil/less evil.

    JKRowling apparently researched (or is) wicca and actual spells. Kids can learn them. Play at being witches/warlords. Evil and cunning.

  109. @Jake
    You are on to something. Lesbian porn leads many from admiring 2 attractive chicks and fantasizing about having a couple of concubines to accepting lesbian lifestyle, which then leads many to start to accept gay male sex and then gay male lifestyle, and to tolerate the demands of hetero-despising fags and dykes.

    The end game is to have pederasty made acceptable in the society, to have pederasty made a sacred civil rights choice like being queer and aborting.

    You are on to something. Lesbian porn leads many from admiring 2 attractive chicks and fantasizing about having a couple of concubines to accepting lesbian lifestyle, which then leads many to start to accept gay male sex and then gay male lifestyle, and to tolerate the demands of hetero-despising fags and dykes.

    I think not.

  110. @Bill H
    I cracked up at his/her/its, "...transgender people embody the magical world of Harry Potter better than almost anyone." Magical world indeed. They certainly don't live in the real world.

    As to the need to be addressed by the pronoun of their choice. That pronoun is their choice, not mine, so why do they expect me to be bound by it?

    They are asking me to participate in their fantasy. No thank you. They are welcome to whatever fantasy they want, but I will not allow them to demand that I live in it with them. You can believe you are Queen Elizabeth with my blessing, just don't expect me to address you as, "your majesty."

    As to the need to be addressed by the pronoun of their choice. That pronoun is their choice, not mine, so why do they expect me to be bound by it?

    Everyone is addressed with the same pronoun: you.

    They’re demanding that you do what they want when they’re not around. These “pronouns” are third-person pronouns.

  111. Both women in that photo are trans.

    The person who Steve quotes is too stupid and bigoted to understand that, as are Steve and many of you.

    • Replies: @Bumpkin
    I don't know that other woman, but that photo was taken at a women's networking event, not a tranny event, so you're most likely wrong. She seemed to be working the front desk at the event and I would bet she's a natural woman, just like the other organizers:

    https://farm66.static.flickr.com/65535/48007516047_560ce23262.jpg
    https://farm66.static.flickr.com/65535/48010300603_521a651493_n.jpg

    Clymer himself says on twitter that, "The young woman in that original pic was very kindly praising my work and asked for advice on trans-inclusive policies." Interestingly, presidential nominee candidates like Warren, Booker, and Harris tweeted publicly in support of him after he addressed that pic.

    All that said, I'd bet he's right and the conversation was likely completely non-confrontational, with the young woman likely a nervous type who just looks uncomfortable for some other reason than what he's saying.
  112. Heather Swanson and Bruce Jenner are stunning and brave.

    • LOL: Lurker
  113. @Steve Sailer
    Generally, every ex-man to have achieved some degree of celebrity before announcing he was a girl on the inside was a pretty masculine, aggressive, self-centered guy, perhaps though not a classic Big Man like Trump but more of a nerd.

    Big Men like Trump have slightly feminine skills of thinking hard about personalities and often in taking things personally. The ex-men tend to be self-centered but aren't much interested in other people.

    So your idea is that Trans m2f crave the limelight but are bad at guessing what would most impress an audience.

    OK. It’s a good guess but doesn’t have much predictive value.

    I’ve also noticed a minor Armenian connection to the Trans epidemic which I think is statistically significant because the Armenian population is small. Care to comment on this?

  114. Charlotte Clymer was involved in a confrontation at a restaurant in Washington, D.C. that resulted in two low-paid, immigrant restaurant workers getting fired, and the restaurant being fined $7,000, for failing to recognize that Charlotte was not a deluded man frighteningly using the women’s restroom, but instead a woman using that restroom.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-news/dc-restaurant-fined-7000-after-asking-transgender-woman-for-id-before-letting-her-use-bathroom/2019/01/17/00d1fc6e-1a86-11e9-afe1-7bd2532c9988_story.html

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/local/wp/2018/06/24/transgender-woman-says-she-was-asked-for-id-to-use-restroom-then-kicked-out-of-d-c-restaurant/

    • Replies: @Hail
    It does appear that Clymer's stunt at the high-end restaurant on June 22, 2018, is what launched his career. To the extent we will still be hearing from Charlotte Clymer in some way in the 2020s, it will because of the "storming the women's bathroom" stunt for which he was praised for bravery at the time.

    _________

    Now that we are at the end of this decade (end of Dec. 2019), it's worth asking: What would someone at the very start of the decade we have just lived through, say on Jan. 1st 2010, have dismissed as crankery and fringe-crackpottery if predicted at the tine, but which has today become accepted commonplace?

    The Trans Movement -- in concrete form, that men would force their way into the women's bathrooms and humiliate the restaurant staff for bigtory, to cheers and accolades of CNN and the gang -- is one such case.

    (But nothing can top "Donald Trump runs for president as a nationalist and immigration-restrictionist, whose central campaign promise is to deport illegals and build a wall across the border, and wins.")

  115. @Giant Duck
    Charlotte Clymer was involved in a confrontation at a restaurant in Washington, D.C. that resulted in two low-paid, immigrant restaurant workers getting fired, and the restaurant being fined $7,000, for failing to recognize that Charlotte was not a deluded man frighteningly using the women's restroom, but instead a woman using that restroom.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-news/dc-restaurant-fined-7000-after-asking-transgender-woman-for-id-before-letting-her-use-bathroom/2019/01/17/00d1fc6e-1a86-11e9-afe1-7bd2532c9988_story.html

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/local/wp/2018/06/24/transgender-woman-says-she-was-asked-for-id-to-use-restroom-then-kicked-out-of-d-c-restaurant/

    It does appear that Clymer’s stunt at the high-end restaurant on June 22, 2018, is what launched his career. To the extent we will still be hearing from Charlotte Clymer in some way in the 2020s, it will because of the “storming the women’s bathroom” stunt for which he was praised for bravery at the time.

    _________

    Now that we are at the end of this decade (end of Dec. 2019), it’s worth asking: What would someone at the very start of the decade we have just lived through, say on Jan. 1st 2010, have dismissed as crankery and fringe-crackpottery if predicted at the tine, but which has today become accepted commonplace?

    The Trans Movement — in concrete form, that men would force their way into the women’s bathrooms and humiliate the restaurant staff for bigtory, to cheers and accolades of CNN and the gang — is one such case.

    (But nothing can top “Donald Trump runs for president as a nationalist and immigration-restrictionist, whose central campaign promise is to deport illegals and build a wall across the border, and wins.”)

    • Replies: @Dissident

    What would someone at the very start of the decade we have just lived through, say on Jan. 1st 2010, have dismissed as crankery and fringe-crackpottery if predicted at the tine, but which has today become accepted commonplace?
     
    Strange times indeed. Fasten your seat belts, ladies and gentlemen (and non-binaries), we're almost certainly in for a rough ride for some time still.

    Thank you for your work in finding and compiling all that info you posted on Clymer, as well as for the similar efforts I have seen from you in various iSteve threads. Seems you really ought to somehow be compensated for all that work, by someone.

    Seasons greetings.

  116. @Anony Trans
    Both women in that photo are trans.

    The person who Steve quotes is too stupid and bigoted to understand that, as are Steve and many of you.

    I don’t know that other woman, but that photo was taken at a women’s networking event, not a tranny event, so you’re most likely wrong. She seemed to be working the front desk at the event and I would bet she’s a natural woman, just like the other organizers:

    Clymer himself says on twitter that, “The young woman in that original pic was very kindly praising my work and asked for advice on trans-inclusive policies.” Interestingly, presidential nominee candidates like Warren, Booker, and Harris tweeted publicly in support of him after he addressed that pic.

    All that said, I’d bet he’s right and the conversation was likely completely non-confrontational, with the young woman likely a nervous type who just looks uncomfortable for some other reason than what he’s saying.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    The girl on the right in the top picture sure has me fooled.

    As for the Clymer pic, you are missing the point. A picture is worth a thousand words, and the juxtaposition of the two of them and their body language was funny.
  117. @RichardTaylor
    Is it just me, or do healthy, reproducing, traditional human populations appear more sexually dimorphic? I swear I can look at a conservative Christian group and the women look more curvy and the men more masculine.

    People in Austin literally look different than a group of sexy Christians in a small town.

    Austin vs College Station

    • Agree: RichardTaylor
  118. @Desiderius
    No father.

    Patriarchy is civilization.

    “Patriarchy is civilization.”

    You mean patriarchy may be an inherent part of a civilization.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite

    You mean patriarchy may be an inherent part of a civilization.
     
    No, this is fake news on your part. You mean patriarchy is a requirement of civilization.
  119. @Reg Cæsar
    What a most unconvincing picture.

    … In her tweet, Rowling effectively dismissed all of this, suggesting that Forstater was being fired for “stating that sex is real,” a common transphobic assertion that has been dismissed by medical experts and other scientists. …

     

    A sentence even more confused than Ms Social Clymer's "sexuality". Which assertion is being referred to? What exactly was dismissed by medical experts and other scientists?

    Are op-eds by non-professionals even edited these days?

    ...the constant miracle of overcoming considerable odds with love and courage to negotiate hatred, trans people, who leave our homes every day into a world full of discrimination and violence against our bodies and souls...

     

    This person was in the Army? Hardly even sounds like the mean girls' division of JROTC.

    This person was in the Army?

    Not really. He attended West Point but resigned before getting a commission. He may have a DD214 and thus technically a “veteran”, but to say he was “in the Army” is a lie in spirit. He never spent 1 minute on active duty. He’s the same as someone that goes to Officer Candidate School and washes out.

    For him to walk around claiming to be a veteran takes some gall. Not as much gall as claiming to be a woman though.

    • Replies: @Hail

    [Charles/Charlotte Clymer] attended West Point but resigned before getting a commission
     

    He never spent 1 minute on active duty
     
    From what I can tell, he was on active duty, but had pretty soft duties. H was in the army from Nov. 2005, which is 3.5 years before he started at West Point. This implies to me he was selected specifically as someone uniquely qualified by an army "inreach recruiter" in 2008, a diamond in the rough as it were. (It didn't work out.)

    The person then-known as Charles Clymer turned 23 in his first semester at West Point (Fall 2009), his first semester at any college. After his army separation in Jan. 2012 following an apparent mental health problem, he spent the rest of the 2010s still more-or-less on a high-end education track. Say what else we will of him, he/etc. is no dummy.

    What was he doing in the army, 2006–2008? In 2011, he claimed to have been a guard involved with ceremonial burials at Arlington National Cemetery for those three years.

  120. @Hypnotoad666

    Rowling effectively dismissed all of this, suggesting that Forstater was being fired for “stating that sex is real,” a common transphobic assertion . . . .”
     
    This is a pretty good example of Wittgenstein's hypothesis that all philosophical debates are just semantic debates. Of course sex is real. No matter what word we use for him, this guy in the picture still has a y chromosome and male morphology. But if society designates him to legally be a woman, nothing about those biological facts changes.

    So both sets of facts are true, but they are battling for possession of the words "sex" and "woman."

    …they are battling for possession of the words “sex” and “woman.”

    Just so

  121. @nebulafox
    We live in a fundamentally stupid age.
  122. @RichardTaylor
    Is it just me, or do healthy, reproducing, traditional human populations appear more sexually dimorphic? I swear I can look at a conservative Christian group and the women look more curvy and the men more masculine.

    People in Austin literally look different than a group of sexy Christians in a small town.

    Dunno. Most Christian men look less masculine than Charlotte Clymer.

  123. @Bill H
    I cracked up at his/her/its, "...transgender people embody the magical world of Harry Potter better than almost anyone." Magical world indeed. They certainly don't live in the real world.

    As to the need to be addressed by the pronoun of their choice. That pronoun is their choice, not mine, so why do they expect me to be bound by it?

    They are asking me to participate in their fantasy. No thank you. They are welcome to whatever fantasy they want, but I will not allow them to demand that I live in it with them. You can believe you are Queen Elizabeth with my blessing, just don't expect me to address you as, "your majesty."

    “They are asking me to participate in their fantasy. No thank you. They are welcome to whatever fantasy they want, but I will not allow them to demand that I live in it with them. You can believe you are Queen Elizabeth with my blessing, just don’t expect me to address you as, “your majesty.””

    Ditto the Obergefell fiasco, contra Justice Kennedy’s fantasies.

    ‘Whatever pal, but he’s really not your wife.’

  124. @Corvinus
    "Patriarchy is civilization."

    You mean patriarchy may be an inherent part of a civilization.

    You mean patriarchy may be an inherent part of a civilization.

    No, this is fake news on your part. You mean patriarchy is a requirement of civilization.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "You mean patriarchy is a requirement of civilization."

    No, I meant that patriarchy MAY be an inherent part of a civilization. In other words, a civilization does NOT require, nor is it exclusively dependent upon, a patriarchy.
  125. @KarlUB
    Sex and gender are different things, right? Isn't what that I was supposed to learn in order to avoid this confusion?

    This woman is a woman because her culturally constructed gender identity is female. So, being a polite man, I don't really have any trouble accommodating her in this regard.

    From a biological perspective, though, her sex is male. At least until we get a lot better at gene editing.

    Right? Wasn't this is the woke version about four years ago?

    Four years is a long time in Wokedom. (or is it Woke-dumb? Wokeistan, maybe?) Anywho, the claims and canards get wackier and wackier with each passing second. I suggest you keep abreast of the situation. Abreast? Is that OK? It’s not sexist or transmogrifyophobic is it?

  126. @Hypnotoad666

    Rowling effectively dismissed all of this, suggesting that Forstater was being fired for “stating that sex is real,” a common transphobic assertion . . . .”
     
    This is a pretty good example of Wittgenstein's hypothesis that all philosophical debates are just semantic debates. Of course sex is real. No matter what word we use for him, this guy in the picture still has a y chromosome and male morphology. But if society designates him to legally be a woman, nothing about those biological facts changes.

    So both sets of facts are true, but they are battling for possession of the words "sex" and "woman."

    they are battling for possession of the words “sex” and “woman.”

    And most importantly, “science”.

    Wait, you thought it was the XY-and XX-means-nothing crowd that’s in the business of denying science? Prepare to be schooled:

    GLAAD’s Head of Talent Anthony Ramos released a statement saying: “J.K. Rowling, whose books gave kids hope that they could work together to create a better world, has now aligned herself with an anti-science ideology that denies the basic humanity of people who are transgender…”

    And really, who could possibly be more authoritative about what constitutes true science than GLAAD’s “Head of Talent”?

  127. @Bumpkin
    I don't know that other woman, but that photo was taken at a women's networking event, not a tranny event, so you're most likely wrong. She seemed to be working the front desk at the event and I would bet she's a natural woman, just like the other organizers:

    https://farm66.static.flickr.com/65535/48007516047_560ce23262.jpg
    https://farm66.static.flickr.com/65535/48010300603_521a651493_n.jpg

    Clymer himself says on twitter that, "The young woman in that original pic was very kindly praising my work and asked for advice on trans-inclusive policies." Interestingly, presidential nominee candidates like Warren, Booker, and Harris tweeted publicly in support of him after he addressed that pic.

    All that said, I'd bet he's right and the conversation was likely completely non-confrontational, with the young woman likely a nervous type who just looks uncomfortable for some other reason than what he's saying.

    The girl on the right in the top picture sure has me fooled.

    As for the Clymer pic, you are missing the point. A picture is worth a thousand words, and the juxtaposition of the two of them and their body language was funny.

  128. @Steve Sailer
    Generally, every ex-man to have achieved some degree of celebrity before announcing he was a girl on the inside was a pretty masculine, aggressive, self-centered guy, perhaps though not a classic Big Man like Trump but more of a nerd.

    Big Men like Trump have slightly feminine skills of thinking hard about personalities and often in taking things personally. The ex-men tend to be self-centered but aren't much interested in other people.

    Clymer is apparently getting back in touch with his inner nerd as he competed in the 2019 U.S. Women’s Open chess tournament. http://www.uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201906127522 .
    However, finishing tied for 26th-29th place out of 31 players doesn’t bode well for his future in womens chess, as this tournament had some good players but far from the top women.

    Hear this podcast where he humorously recalls losing to a nine year old in the second round and the girl lecturing him on his poor play after the game: https://new.uschess.org/news/ladies-knight-charlotte-clymer-podcast/

  129. @Buzz Mohawk
    In the US, the Southern women are hotter and more feminine than the Northern. This is probably related to what you say.

    Upper class Southern women, sure. The poor and lower middle class are mostly fat.

    And they aren’t really more “feminine” either. They just wear makeup, dye their hair and don’t give up on their appearance past age 25 like women from other regions do. They look more feminine but it’s not exactly au natural and really doesn’t have much to do with their more conservative politics. I’d say women caring about their appearance is the standard for most of the world, General American women are just unusually dowdy, perhaps on purpose because a lot of people pride themselves on plainness. As are the men, actually. We are a country of sloppy dressers.

  130. @RichardTaylor
    Is it just me, or do healthy, reproducing, traditional human populations appear more sexually dimorphic? I swear I can look at a conservative Christian group and the women look more curvy and the men more masculine.

    People in Austin literally look different than a group of sexy Christians in a small town.

    The true believing Christians in the small towns are mostly fat past age 25, men and women alike. I’ve spent time in those places, trust me. If you’re imagining culturally conservative SEC type looking girls those are in suburbs like Peachtree City GA and Katy TX. Only someone from NYC or Chicago would consider those places small towns.

  131. @Lot
    Is the surge in masculine men who want to become lesbians caused by Internet lesbian porn?

    Still pics and drawings of lesbian action have been around for a long time. The novel Fanny Hill had lesbian scenes and was published in mid 1700s, and many explicitly illustrated reprints were made in the 1800s.

    Until about 1985, however, it was difficult to regularly watch it on video. Even then, the selection was limited and expensive and it was low resolution. In the 1980s a 90-minute VHS tape was about $70 adjusted for inflation.

    I think with Bruce Jenner macho types it is caused by a combination of exposure to lesbian porn and narcissism. They fall in love with themselves as women, essentially. It’s a huge joke and insult to everyone’s intelligence but not inherently sinister except for the fact that it’s really decadent.

    The most dangerous trannies (like Clymer and that Canadian guy who was trying to force foreign lady estheticians to wax his junk) are freaks and losers who “become” women in attempt to try and get close to women they could not otherwise get near. It’s basically a form of stalking. Like a wolf disguising as sheep.

    • Replies: @Dissident

    The most dangerous trannies (like Clymer and that Canadian guy who was trying to force foreign lady estheticians to wax his junk) are freaks and losers who “become” women in attempt to try and get close to women they could not otherwise get near. It’s basically a form of stalking. Like a wolf disguising as sheep.
     
    But where's the disguise? Can anyone not severely visually or mentally impaired take one look at someone such as Clymer or Yaniv and have the slightest doubt that they are anything but men?
  132. @Steve Sailer
    Generally, every ex-man to have achieved some degree of celebrity before announcing he was a girl on the inside was a pretty masculine, aggressive, self-centered guy, perhaps though not a classic Big Man like Trump but more of a nerd.

    Big Men like Trump have slightly feminine skills of thinking hard about personalities and often in taking things personally. The ex-men tend to be self-centered but aren't much interested in other people.

    You’re a genius, Steve! Trump would win in a landslide if he ran as a woman and become the first female POTUS! Take that, Hillary!

    • LOL: Charon
  133. What was going through her head??? Well, I’d imagine it was precisely the same cowed emotions the woman in this picture felt, times 100.

    There is Stockholm Syndrome. And in severe cases, Malmö Syndrone.

    Sweden: 10-year-old girl raped in Malmö – police refuse to release physical description of the suspect

    11-year-old girl gang raped in Sweden – Perpetrators walk free and laugh in her face

    The face of white supremacism:

  134. @Anonymous
    Gender being a human construct, I suggest we make it four: masculine, feminine, neuter, and deluded.

    Gender being a human construct, I suggest we make it four: masculine, feminine, neuter, and deluded.

    Fula has from 20 to 26 genders, depending on the dialect.

    https://wals.info/chapter/30

    Africa is big on gender. On this map, white means none, black, five or more:

    https://wals.info/feature/30A#1/26/148

  135. @William Badwhite

    This person was in the Army?
     
    Not really. He attended West Point but resigned before getting a commission. He may have a DD214 and thus technically a "veteran", but to say he was "in the Army" is a lie in spirit. He never spent 1 minute on active duty. He's the same as someone that goes to Officer Candidate School and washes out.

    For him to walk around claiming to be a veteran takes some gall. Not as much gall as claiming to be a woman though.

    [Charles/Charlotte Clymer] attended West Point but resigned before getting a commission

    He never spent 1 minute on active duty

    From what I can tell, he was on active duty, but had pretty soft duties. H was in the army from Nov. 2005, which is 3.5 years before he started at West Point. This implies to me he was selected specifically as someone uniquely qualified by an army “inreach recruiter” in 2008, a diamond in the rough as it were. (It didn’t work out.)

    The person then-known as Charles Clymer turned 23 in his first semester at West Point (Fall 2009), his first semester at any college. After his army separation in Jan. 2012 following an apparent mental health problem, he spent the rest of the 2010s still more-or-less on a high-end education track. Say what else we will of him, he/etc. is no dummy.

    What was he doing in the army, 2006–2008? In 2011, he claimed to have been a guard involved with ceremonial burials at Arlington National Cemetery for those three years.

  136. What was he doing in the army, 2006–2008? In 2011, he claimed to have been a guard involved with ceremonial burials at Arlington National Cemetery for those three years.

    Doubtful. Those are coveted positions. They don’t let just anybody in, especially someone so junior.

  137. @William Badwhite

    You mean patriarchy may be an inherent part of a civilization.
     
    No, this is fake news on your part. You mean patriarchy is a requirement of civilization.

    “You mean patriarchy is a requirement of civilization.”

    No, I meant that patriarchy MAY be an inherent part of a civilization. In other words, a civilization does NOT require, nor is it exclusively dependent upon, a patriarchy.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite

    No, I meant that patriarchy MAY be an inherent part of a civilization. In other words, a civilization does NOT require, nor is it exclusively dependent upon, a patriarchy.
     
    No, you meant that patriarchy MUST be an inherent part of a civilization. In other words, a civilization DOES require, and therefore must be, exclusively dependent upon a patriarchy. Stop wallowing in your own confirmation biases.
  138. @Cucksworth
    It makes sense if you say the joos are pushing degeneracy to more easily take over and enslave us.

    It makes sense if you say the joos are pushing degeneracy to more easily take over and enslave us.

    Right. Notice how Jews never push of any of this degeneracy on their own children, none of whom ever turn-out to be homo or trans. In fact, the one thing that can be said for all “LGBTQ”whatevers is that at least none of them are or ever have been Jews.

  139. @Dave3
    When a horny dude picks up a hooker and discovers that she has a penis, or a supperating wound between her legs, he's likely to react violently. Especially if he discovers this *after* fucking her.

    If they were alive, some of these trannies could be charged with "rape by deception" for tricking straight men into performing homosexual acts.

    When a horny dude picks up a hooker and discovers that she has a penis, or a supperating wound between her legs, he’s likely to react violently. Especially if he discovers this *after* fucking her.

    Did you perhaps mean to write, “When a horny and drunk dude…”? Minus such a qualifier, I find it rather difficult to imagine someone getting even nearly as far as you explicitly allowed for.

    At any rate, while I appreciate the larger point being made (esp. in the comment you replied-to), I can’t say I have much sympathy for the type of individual you described (regardless of his state of sobriety).

  140. @Hail
    It does appear that Clymer's stunt at the high-end restaurant on June 22, 2018, is what launched his career. To the extent we will still be hearing from Charlotte Clymer in some way in the 2020s, it will because of the "storming the women's bathroom" stunt for which he was praised for bravery at the time.

    _________

    Now that we are at the end of this decade (end of Dec. 2019), it's worth asking: What would someone at the very start of the decade we have just lived through, say on Jan. 1st 2010, have dismissed as crankery and fringe-crackpottery if predicted at the tine, but which has today become accepted commonplace?

    The Trans Movement -- in concrete form, that men would force their way into the women's bathrooms and humiliate the restaurant staff for bigtory, to cheers and accolades of CNN and the gang -- is one such case.

    (But nothing can top "Donald Trump runs for president as a nationalist and immigration-restrictionist, whose central campaign promise is to deport illegals and build a wall across the border, and wins.")

    What would someone at the very start of the decade we have just lived through, say on Jan. 1st 2010, have dismissed as crankery and fringe-crackpottery if predicted at the tine, but which has today become accepted commonplace?

    Strange times indeed. Fasten your seat belts, ladies and gentlemen (and non-binaries), we’re almost certainly in for a rough ride for some time still.

    Thank you for your work in finding and compiling all that info you posted on Clymer, as well as for the similar efforts I have seen from you in various iSteve threads. Seems you really ought to somehow be compensated for all that work, by someone.

    Seasons greetings.

  141. @S. Anonyia
    I think with Bruce Jenner macho types it is caused by a combination of exposure to lesbian porn and narcissism. They fall in love with themselves as women, essentially. It’s a huge joke and insult to everyone’s intelligence but not inherently sinister except for the fact that it’s really decadent.

    The most dangerous trannies (like Clymer and that Canadian guy who was trying to force foreign lady estheticians to wax his junk) are freaks and losers who “become” women in attempt to try and get close to women they could not otherwise get near. It’s basically a form of stalking. Like a wolf disguising as sheep.

    The most dangerous trannies (like Clymer and that Canadian guy who was trying to force foreign lady estheticians to wax his junk) are freaks and losers who “become” women in attempt to try and get close to women they could not otherwise get near. It’s basically a form of stalking. Like a wolf disguising as sheep.

    But where’s the disguise? Can anyone not severely visually or mentally impaired take one look at someone such as Clymer or Yaniv and have the slightest doubt that they are anything but men?

  142. @Corvinus
    "You mean patriarchy is a requirement of civilization."

    No, I meant that patriarchy MAY be an inherent part of a civilization. In other words, a civilization does NOT require, nor is it exclusively dependent upon, a patriarchy.

    No, I meant that patriarchy MAY be an inherent part of a civilization. In other words, a civilization does NOT require, nor is it exclusively dependent upon, a patriarchy.

    No, you meant that patriarchy MUST be an inherent part of a civilization. In other words, a civilization DOES require, and therefore must be, exclusively dependent upon a patriarchy. Stop wallowing in your own confirmation biases.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "No, you meant that patriarchy MUST be an inherent part of a civilization. In other words, a civilization DOES require, and therefore must be, exclusively dependent upon a patriarchy. Stop wallowing in your own confirmation biases."

    No, I meant that the characteristics of a civilization do NOT require patriarchy. Do you relish being ignorant?
  143. @William Badwhite

    No, I meant that patriarchy MAY be an inherent part of a civilization. In other words, a civilization does NOT require, nor is it exclusively dependent upon, a patriarchy.
     
    No, you meant that patriarchy MUST be an inherent part of a civilization. In other words, a civilization DOES require, and therefore must be, exclusively dependent upon a patriarchy. Stop wallowing in your own confirmation biases.

    “No, you meant that patriarchy MUST be an inherent part of a civilization. In other words, a civilization DOES require, and therefore must be, exclusively dependent upon a patriarchy. Stop wallowing in your own confirmation biases.”

    No, I meant that the characteristics of a civilization do NOT require patriarchy. Do you relish being ignorant?

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    No, you meant that civilizations do require patriarchy. Go do your homework.
  144. @Corvinus
    "No, you meant that patriarchy MUST be an inherent part of a civilization. In other words, a civilization DOES require, and therefore must be, exclusively dependent upon a patriarchy. Stop wallowing in your own confirmation biases."

    No, I meant that the characteristics of a civilization do NOT require patriarchy. Do you relish being ignorant?

    No, you meant that civilizations do require patriarchy. Go do your homework.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    Lol. No, civilizations do not require patriarchy. But keep flailing away.
  145. @Elli
    I've seen a young woman throwing the word Dad into every sentence when addressing the bearded middle-aged person who once was her mother.

    She had already lost much of her mother and didn't want to lose her all the way, my guess.

    If a "man" can have periods and get pregnant, why can't a "man" be a mother?.

    If a “man” can have periods and get pregnant, why can’t a “man” be a mother?.

    Arnold and Danny DeVito were ahead of their time.

  146. @William Badwhite
    No, you meant that civilizations do require patriarchy. Go do your homework.

    Lol. No, civilizations do not require patriarchy. But keep flailing away.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    "No, you meant something else..."

    Rinse and repeat. I will do a New Years favor to the other commenters here and stop Corvinusing you. Your lack of self-awareness is both amusing as well as astounding.

    Btw, I went back and looked at some of your earliest comments (circa 2010 and 2011). The contrast was interesting - you used to make actual arguments and would attempt to support them with appeals to reason. Now your comments consist mainly of "nuh uh" and "no, you meant...go do your homework...i have argumentative chops" with no argument at all - just contradiction and assertion.

    Perhaps the problem leading to your low quality comments (I don't know that you've ever had a single "agree") and general obnoxiousness is your weird need to respond to almost everything others post, and to respond to ALL of those responding to you? In 2010 you had 120 comments, in 2015 it was 540, in 2016 it jumped to 1694, and now so far in 2019 you have over 2,500. Did you lose your job in the 2016/2017 timeframe? Girlfriend or wife leave you? Retire? Injury prevent you from golfing? The comment diarrhea is kind of pathetic - you should find a hobby or try to meet someone of the opposite sex (contra to Whiskey, it is possible). Or if you're interests run in a different direction, go meet someone of the same sex.

    Btw, those were rhetorical questions, I don't really care about you one way or the other. No need to respond (though I'm sure whatever is wrong with you will compel you to respond anyway) you're back on mute.
  147. @Corvinus
    Lol. No, civilizations do not require patriarchy. But keep flailing away.

    “No, you meant something else…”

    Rinse and repeat. I will do a New Years favor to the other commenters here and stop Corvinusing you. Your lack of self-awareness is both amusing as well as astounding.

    Btw, I went back and looked at some of your earliest comments (circa 2010 and 2011). The contrast was interesting – you used to make actual arguments and would attempt to support them with appeals to reason. Now your comments consist mainly of “nuh uh” and “no, you meant…go do your homework…i have argumentative chops” with no argument at all – just contradiction and assertion.

    Perhaps the problem leading to your low quality comments (I don’t know that you’ve ever had a single “agree”) and general obnoxiousness is your weird need to respond to almost everything others post, and to respond to ALL of those responding to you? In 2010 you had 120 comments, in 2015 it was 540, in 2016 it jumped to 1694, and now so far in 2019 you have over 2,500. Did you lose your job in the 2016/2017 timeframe? Girlfriend or wife leave you? Retire? Injury prevent you from golfing? The comment diarrhea is kind of pathetic – you should find a hobby or try to meet someone of the opposite sex (contra to Whiskey, it is possible). Or if you’re interests run in a different direction, go meet someone of the same sex.

    Btw, those were rhetorical questions, I don’t really care about you one way or the other. No need to respond (though I’m sure whatever is wrong with you will compel you to respond anyway) you’re back on mute.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Rinse and repeat. I will do a New Years favor to the other commenters here and stop Corvinusing you. Your lack of self-awareness is both amusing as well as astounding."

    Project much?

    "The contrast was interesting – you used to make actual arguments and would attempt to support them with appeals to reason."

    I continue to support my statements with evidence. There has been no change.

    "No need to respond (though I’m sure whatever is wrong with you will compel you to respond anyway) you’re back on mute."

    Meaning that you will remain in the dark about a great many things.
  148. @William Badwhite
    "No, you meant something else..."

    Rinse and repeat. I will do a New Years favor to the other commenters here and stop Corvinusing you. Your lack of self-awareness is both amusing as well as astounding.

    Btw, I went back and looked at some of your earliest comments (circa 2010 and 2011). The contrast was interesting - you used to make actual arguments and would attempt to support them with appeals to reason. Now your comments consist mainly of "nuh uh" and "no, you meant...go do your homework...i have argumentative chops" with no argument at all - just contradiction and assertion.

    Perhaps the problem leading to your low quality comments (I don't know that you've ever had a single "agree") and general obnoxiousness is your weird need to respond to almost everything others post, and to respond to ALL of those responding to you? In 2010 you had 120 comments, in 2015 it was 540, in 2016 it jumped to 1694, and now so far in 2019 you have over 2,500. Did you lose your job in the 2016/2017 timeframe? Girlfriend or wife leave you? Retire? Injury prevent you from golfing? The comment diarrhea is kind of pathetic - you should find a hobby or try to meet someone of the opposite sex (contra to Whiskey, it is possible). Or if you're interests run in a different direction, go meet someone of the same sex.

    Btw, those were rhetorical questions, I don't really care about you one way or the other. No need to respond (though I'm sure whatever is wrong with you will compel you to respond anyway) you're back on mute.

    “Rinse and repeat. I will do a New Years favor to the other commenters here and stop Corvinusing you. Your lack of self-awareness is both amusing as well as astounding.”

    Project much?

    “The contrast was interesting – you used to make actual arguments and would attempt to support them with appeals to reason.”

    I continue to support my statements with evidence. There has been no change.

    “No need to respond (though I’m sure whatever is wrong with you will compel you to respond anyway) you’re back on mute.”

    Meaning that you will remain in the dark about a great many things.

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