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Commenter SPMoore8 writes:

What made the Alicia Gambit so devastatingly bad is that anyone who heard about it would have assumed that Ms Machado was some humble Mexican lady who was just minding her own business.

Right, my assumption in listening to the debate was that Hillary’s crack campaign staff had caught Trump making fun of a 4’11” illegal alien housekeeper in one of his hotels. But instead she turns out to be a 5’11” Charo knockoff.

Instead, Hillary has experienced a Bimbo Eruption on a scale equal to any that Bill ever had.

Remember: This was the Kill Shot. This was the Ultimate Gotcha. The was supposed to have voided the content of the entire debate: He called a woman fat, and that’s that. I don’t think any of the great satirists in history could have devised a narrative that would encompass what the political and cultural landscape of America has become in the past few years, and in particular, in this election season.

One of the conclusions I’ve come into over the decades is that an awful lot of what is positioned as important ideological idealism is really just careerist self-promoters — Bruce Jenner, Alicia Machado, etc etc — cynically hitching rides on fashionable dumb ideas. (Conversely, Trump is a self-promoter hitching a ride on some ideas that, I hope, are less dumb, but at minimum have certainly been less fashionable.)

And so many of the details always seem to follow the stereotypes. For example, telenovela actresses tend to like rich violent guys, like her boyfriend who shot his brother-in-law at a funeral (while Alicia Machado may, or may not, have driven the getaway car) and the narco cartel sicario who may, or may not, be the father of her child. In contrast, she humiliated fiance Bobby Abreu with a sex tape with some other guy, perhaps because, as far as I know, the Philadelphia Phillies slugger only murdered hanging breaking balls.

Another iSteve concept is the rise of the Conquistador-American as the (white) face of accusations of white racism against Hispanics.

Presidents Coolidge & Machado

From Alicia Machado’s IMDB bio:

Date of Birth 6 December 1976, Maracay, Venezuela
Birth Name Joseph Alicia Machado Fajardo
Height 5′ 11″ (1.8 m)

Venezuelan-born Alicia Machado is the daughter of a Cuban father and Spanish mother who immigrated to Venezuela during the middle of the 1900s. Her father, a relative of former Cuban dictator Gerardo Machado, fled Cuba and found refuge in Venezuela after the fall of the Machado regime. …

What’s remarkable, though, is how hard it is for Americans these days to see examples of this widespread tendency right before their eyes. Here’s an amazing column in today’s Washington Post from Wednesday morning, 36 hours after the debate, exulting in how the Clinton campaign staff and virtually the entire mainstream media agree that their mutual campaign to promote Alicia Machado’s name is the Smartest.Thing.Ever.

The Daily 202: Trump stumbles into Clinton’s trap by feuding with Latina beauty queen
By James Hohmann September 28 at 9:11 AM

THE BIG IDEA: It might be Hillary Clinton’s most cunning move since the start of the general election. The Democratic nominee set a trap for Donald Trump in the final minutes of the first debate, and he walked right into it.

The GOP nominee’s decision to take the bait and rehash his past attacks of a former Miss Universe for gaining too much weight is now dominating the conversation. And the controversy is helping the Clinton campaign galvanize Latinos and prevent undecided women from moving toward Trump.

Even as Trump proclaimed victory in New York, he allowed during a Fox News interview yesterday that he let himself get a little too irritated “at the end, maybe” when Clinton brought up Alicia Machado. Machado alleges that Trump called her names such as “Miss Piggy” and “Miss Housekeeping” when she gained weight after winning the Miss Universe crown in 1996.

Trump could have brushed off the question and moved on the next morning, but instead he engaged. “She was the worst we ever had. The worst. The absolute worst. She was impossible,” Trump said of Machado on Fox. “She was the winner, and she gained a massive amount of weight, and it was a real problem. We had a real problem.”

— Operatives in Brooklyn had been working with Machado since the summer.

Here’s a vivid Reuters story in English from 1998 recapping the first two of Machado’s major scandals. But despite months of prepping, Hillary’s crack staff apparently completely missed the many stories about Machado in the Spanish-speaking world.

They had a video featuring her story ready to go. Cosmopolitan had a photo spread of her draped in an American flag – to go with a profile – in the can. Machado had also conducted an interview with The Guardian that was “apparently embargoed for post-debate release,” according to Vox. And the Clinton super PAC Priorities USA turned a digital ad to highlight the insults by early afternoon.

The Clinton press shop then set up a conference call for Machado to respond to what Trump said on “Fox and Friends.” Speaking with reporters, Machado recounted how Trump “always treated me like a lesser thing, like garbage” and that his new words are like “a bad dream.” She said in a mix of Spanish and halting English that she watched the debate with her mother and daughter and cried as Clinton recounted her story, Ed O’Keefe reports.

Campaign calls like these are usually gimmicky ploys that get little attention, but this one played prominently in every news organization’s second-day coverage about the debate. Megyn Kelly, against whom Trump leveled gendered attacks against last year after she moderated a debate, then interviewed Machado in primetime on Fox News last night.

— Opposition researchers also gleefully pushed Trump quotes about her from the 1990s. Here are two examples (more are in the social media speed read):

In 1997, Donald told Howard Stern that Machado was an “eating machine” who “ate a lot of everything.” “You whipped this fat slob into shape,” the radio host told Trump. “I don’t know how you did it. I see all these diet plans, everything else. God bless you.” When asked if Trump had “gotten her down to 118,” he said she is going to be there soon. (Via Buzzfeed)

Around the same time, Trump told Newsweek: “We’ve tried diet, spa, a trainer, incentives. Forget it, the way she’s going, she’d eat the whole gymnasium.”

— “Morning Joe” extensively covered the spat today. Joe Scarborough said “this was all people were talking about” at his daughter’s parents night. Mike Barnicle said when he was picking up a prescription at the Duane Reade drugstore, the woman behind the counter – unprompted – referenced the “Miss Piggy” controversy. “She is furious, behind the counter, she’s furious,” he recalled. “Of all the things he’s done in this campaign, this is the one that could linger,” Mark Halperin chimed him. “The Clinton campaign cannot believe he’s giving them the political opportunity…This is exactly what they would want to happen…They couldn’t script it any better!” Barnicle agreed: “The Miss Housekeeping phrase is just as lethal to Donald Trump as Miss Piggy.” NBC’s “Today” show did their own segment this morning too.

— New York Magazine’s Jonathan Chait predicts Trump’s criticism of Machado will have the same staying power as his attacks on Khizr Khan, the Gold Star father who spoke at the Democratic National Convention: “What truly made the set piece work was Trump’s response, which Clinton could not have scripted better if she tried. Unlike the previous allegations, he did not deny them, but instead burst out — three times! — ‘Where did you find this?’ I have seen villains in Disney movies presented with damning evidence react this way, but I have never seen an actual human being do it, until now.”

— Importantly, this story has also broken through across non-traditional outlets:

It was the second story on Telemundo’s evening newscast and the third story on Univision’s.

“Donald Trump Continues to Body Shame the Former Miss Universe He Called ‘Miss Piggy’” is the headline on People Magazine’s home page.

“Alicia Machado Opens Up About Trump’s Treatment of Her: ‘He’s Not a Good Person,’” is the headline in The Hollywood Reporter.

The Palm Beach Post, in the heart of a key swing state, has a listicle in today’s edition: “Alicia Machado: 5 things to know about Trump’s latest target.”

— The gender dynamic is perhaps the most dominant theme in the mainstream media’s post-debate commentary:

“Trump’s interruptions of Clinton are familiar to women” is the headline on the front page of the Boston Globe. Their story, about HRC getting interrupted 51 times during the debate, quotes women in a range of professions talking about how they’ve experienced the same thing.

“Last night’s debate, or the mansplaining Olympics” by Alexandra Petri is the most read story on the opinion section of The Post’s web site.

“Although she would never talk about it in the way that Trump discusses the victimization of being audited, Clinton carries the ever-expanding knowledge of what it’s like to be dismissed, disrespected, and treated unfairly,” Jia Tolentino writes in The New Yorker. “This is precisely why she was so calm and steely last night—so Presidential. It’s why she can express genuine solidarity with people like Alicia Machado, people whom Trump can barely see.”

“When I watch, I sometimes feel like Ingrid Bergman — not European and glamorous, but unnerved, as though I’m being gaslit,” said New York Times Magazine staff writer Susan Dominus. “Trump tries to gaslight an entire country when he plays fast and loose with the truth or insists on logic-defying connections — each of which is an apt tactic for someone who often questions the mental health of women who dare to criticize him. If they are women with big careers … they are ‘neurotic.’ …

“The idea that we should trust men who hate us in private to protect us in the public sphere is the ultimate insult to our intelligence,” adds Post blogger Alyssa Rosenberg.

Alicia Machado ✔ @machadooficial
I received my passport ! I’m ready to vote For my country for you @HillaryClinton for my daughter For women workers
8:05 PM – 26 Sep 2016 · Los Angeles, CA, United States
6,479 6,479 Retweets 15,772 15,772 likes

— This feud helps Clinton with two crucial constituencies:

— Galvanizing Latinos: Beauty pageants are as big as the Super Bowl is for us in Latin America, and it was no coincidence that Machado emerged as a surrogate on National Voter Registration Day. The campaign is working to encourage Latinos and other less-engaged groups who dislike Trump to get on the rolls. “This was about consolidation,” Democratic pollster Stan Greenberg told Greg Sargent. “One of the big things (that has been) holding her back was the failure to consolidate Democrats.”

James Downie, who watched a dial group of 100 likely voters during the debate, elaborates: “After the debate, though there was only a small shift in the group toward Clinton, they had a much more favorable view toward her, and a number of voters who had come in as ‘weak’ Clinton supporters left as ‘strong’ Clinton supporters.”

— Expanding the gender gap. …

Now, that’s some fact-finding! No mention of the two accusations of aiding or threatening attempted murder,

 
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  1. If I’m reading this right, the whole article is a blanket admission that the mainstream press is completely in the tank for Clinton. I never doubted that, of course, but now they’re just flat-out bragging about it. I don’t mean they’re just doing a lot of winking and nudging to liberals while “pretending” to be neutral — they’ve been doing that for awhile. Now they’re actually laying down markers, coming right out and saying “hell yes, we’re unpaid operatives for the Democrats.”

    I don’t know that I’ve ever seen that before. Unbelievable.

    • Agree: ic1000
    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    Yeah, that was my main takeaway from this too. In their giddy exuberance, the media forgot to camouflage the extensive interconnections between themselves and the Democratic party. Actually, it's not even connections. They're just one big continuum.

    Or maybe they're so sure of victory now, they don't even care. It's not even worth the effort of pretending to be objective.

    , @guest
    Were you paying attention during the journo-list thing and the recent Wikileaks leaks? This is not news.
  2. Steve you are right but unfortunately it may not make any difference. Fat women are an important voting block. Perhaps if Trump was a chubby chaser like that bounty hunter guy he could carry this off.

    He has to emphasize her links to organized (well as organized as anything is in Venezuela) crime and being the winner of a beauty pageant. “My immigration policy will not discriminate against all Beauty contest winners with links to organized crime. Just the bad apples”

    • LOL: BenKenobi
    • Replies: @Clifford Brown
    The Demofats? Las Gorditas as the new Soccer Moms?

    The Fupa Chalupa vote? A Rascal Scooter in Every Pot?

    Machiado's connections with violence in Venezuela was not organized, more like your standard blood feud. However, she has deep connections with Mexican organized crime. Since her Baby Daddy was a leader of Los Negros drug cartel, Trump can just tell people that the Mexican drug cartels are really worked up over his Wall idea.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StHMB1nhwb4
    , @guest
    Fat women are not a bloc. No one wants to think of themselves as fat. Certainly no one votes in the interest of fatness.
    , @RonaldB
    I agree with the commentators who advise Trump to just let it alone and stick to the issues. His response added fuel to the whole imbroglio. He rose to the bait.

    Machado has a very shady past, including very, very hard core porn movies, on-air infidelity to her fiance, threatening a judge, involvement in an attempted murder, and consorting with a wanted Mexican drug kingpin. And, these are not simply rumors either, but all reflect on-line documentation and official testimony.

    All Trump needs to do is express a general sympathy to her, wish her well, and move on.

    She will say anything she needs to to benefit herself. At the moment, the Hillary campaign is her bread and butter. There is absolutely no point to Trump engaging her accusations.
  3. Actually if he wanted to talk to Latinos, there is a strong stereotype of Miss Universe women becoming the girlfriends of Narcos in S.America. Can he somehow tap into female resentment there ?

  4. OT-

    Michio Kakutani’s book review of Hitler: Ascent is very subtle.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/28/books/hitler-ascent-volker-ullrich.html

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    WaPo breaks it down: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/28/this-new-york-times-review-of-a-hitler-book-sure-looked-like-a-thinly-veiled-trump-hitler-comparison/
  5. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    On topic: Miss Machado claimed the following about Trump today.

    ‘I listened to a few comments from him when he was my boss, but I don’t want to talk about it because it’s too much rude for the black community, and I respect a lot of things,’ said Machado in a clip from her interview that has not yet been posted online by NBC

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3811600/He-don-t-like-people-Miss-Universe-says-Trump-absolutely-racist-used-slurs-speaking-African-Americans.html

    Clinton can’t contain this narcissist’s bimbo eruption at this point and it won’t end well for her. She Willie Hortoned herself in front of 80 million people

    Clinton-Machado 16′

  6. Latinos don’t vote, Blacks don’t care, Rosie O’Donnell feminists weren’t voting for Trump regardless and Trump voters don’t give a shit about this fat slut that dishonored her contract back then anyway. No votes lost or gained. This thing is decided already, everyone needs to get a grip. There is nothing devastating about this any more than the birther nonsense they plowed up last week. This is this week, the birthing was last week, it will be something else next week, maybe even Hillary’s death-by-stroke. She’s a fucking whirly bird, a psycho and evil at that. Karma rules, we’re still in Saigon, the war ain’t over yet.

    It’s all gonna work out. Only question is whether Trump sics Rudy after her for her sins with email, the foundations, pay-for-play and Benghazi. Presidents have a thing for prosecuting the sins of their predecessors. Pull the pay-for-play rug out from under them, you may be able to confiscate the ill-gotten-fruit of the RICO of the Clinton Foundation and Global Initiative, the two hearts of pay-for-play. Two billion each. The first got so rich, they had to start another to shelter all the dough. Relax, Hillary ain’t gonna make it. Whether she dies first or loses in the general, she’s not gonna carry her cuntish demeanor into Washington.

    You heard it here first. Or fiftieth.

  7. OT?

    I told my 11 year old daughter that the ADL has declared Pepe the Frog a Hate Symbol:

    http://www.npr.org/2016/09/28/495816963/pepe-the-frogs-long-strange-journey-from-internet-meme-to-hate-symbol

    She told me that in the Memesphere this was tiny. That “Pepe’ is bigger than anything they can do to him.”

    I was reassured.

    To paraphrase Ann Coulter “Our memes are better than theirs!”

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    There are already links being discovered between Pepe and Alicia Machado.

    https://i.redditmedia.com/LNClomrAFsybEAPwuSarFHAg0qKOZtYkH8Cg8prw1NU.jpg?w=534&s=9e4717bd909cba9f46b71ed029093858

    I think the ADL is simply a front for the concerned citizens who contribute to it. Therefore, from time to time, if someone has made a donation, and calls up and complains about something, they make a statement (as in the case of Pepe) to satisfy the customer and act like they are "doing something." I say this because the org seems very reactive and some of the things they react to are absurd.
    , @Olorin
    You're raising an 11-year-old daughter who responded thus to this?

    May all hats be tipped in your direction.
  8. @Clifford Brown
    OT-

    Michio Kakutani's book review of Hitler: Ascent is very subtle.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/28/books/hitler-ascent-volker-ullrich.html
  9. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “Now ‘Miss Piggy’ says Donald Trump used racist slurs when talking about African-Americans and that she can speak better English than Melania ”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3811600/He-don-t-like-people-Miss-Universe-says-Trump-absolutely-racist-used-slurs-speaking-African-Americans.html

    ” Alicia Machado said in an interview with Natalie Morales that Donald Trump used racial slurs while speaking about African-Americans
    The 38-year-old would not repeat what Trump said, she explained because ‘it’s too much rude for the black community, and I respect a lot of things’
    She also said about Trump’s feelings about the black community : ‘He don’t like that people’
    Machado has said in the past that Trump called her ‘Miss Piggy,’ ‘Miss Housekeeping,’ and ‘Miss Eating Machine’
    She also revealed that she had no idea that Clinton would be sharing her story during Monday night’s debate
    Machado criticized Melania Trump in an interview Tuesday, saying: ‘I think I speak more English than her’”

  10. @AKAHorace
    Steve you are right but unfortunately it may not make any difference. Fat women are an important voting block. Perhaps if Trump was a chubby chaser like that bounty hunter guy he could carry this off.

    He has to emphasize her links to organized (well as organized as anything is in Venezuela) crime and being the winner of a beauty pageant. "My immigration policy will not discriminate against all Beauty contest winners with links to organized crime. Just the bad apples"

    The Demofats? Las Gorditas as the new Soccer Moms?

    The Fupa Chalupa vote? A Rascal Scooter in Every Pot?

    Machiado’s connections with violence in Venezuela was not organized, more like your standard blood feud. However, she has deep connections with Mexican organized crime. Since her Baby Daddy was a leader of Los Negros drug cartel, Trump can just tell people that the Mexican drug cartels are really worked up over his Wall idea.

  11. Let’s see if Trump holds back in the next debate. He was lame on Monday night. A dozen easy kill shots were not taken.

    Trump is a mediocre re-framer. He should’ve reframed nearly every Holt question. Hillary’s attacks were weak and yet they stymied him after the 30 minute mark.

    Why the hell didn’t Trump’s team have the dirt on Machado? She became a minor campaign issue many months ago or was it even last summer?

    Team Trump is overall lame. He’s hard to watch/listen during a debate. His core people are nothing special.

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    I agree. I thought at the very least some of his people were readers here? And now Trump swings and misses at softballs that any random on-side commenter here could knock out of the park?
  12. I’m not sure how much this hurts. Trump never had the fat Mexican bimbo vote in the first place. As for fat liberal women in general, they weren’t voting for him, either.

    • Replies: @rod1963
    Agree.

    Trump never had the insane, fat, ugly woman vote(mostly feminists, obese black and latina women). Heck almost every video I see of feminists it's usually hideously morbid fat broad with a buzz cut. Such as the legendary "Trigglypuff".
  13. It might be Hillary Clinton’s most cunning move

    A cunning stunt involving a formerly stunning… OK, Steve removed references to that Big Brother video of hers because he’s trying to keep this place classy, so I will stop here.

    I think the WaPo is having a bigger nervous breakdown over Trump than the NYT.

  14. I like the plain-spoken insight of this Post blogger Alyssa Rosenberg. With only a slight adjustment, she captures just how I feel.

    “The idea that we should trust a woman who hates us in private to protect us in the public sphere is the ultimate insult to our intelligence.”

    • Replies: @SFG
    You've seen the 'Stormfront or SJW' subreddit, right?

    They remove the group and you have to guess whether it's SJWs or some of the more extreme alt-righters.
  15. OT, or maybe not, but there’s a totally astroturfed thing going around that Trump was sniffling during the debate because of a supposed cocaine problem. Stupid, but gaining traction.

    Given that Howard Dean MD was an early proclaimer, does this come straight from on high?

    • Replies: @Desiderius

    Given that Howard Dean MD was an early proclaimer, does this come straight from on high?
     
    Nice entendre. If this does become a thing, at least there will be no mystery behind who started the Snorterism.
  16. iSteveFan says:

    Reading the blogs today and the Daily Mail it appears that this woman has been thoroughly vetted and found wanting. How is this playing to the average Joe? Do they realize this woman is bogus? I don’t have cable television. Is this story still being used to trash Trump, or are they backing away from it? I suppose Fox is probably running with the stuff the Daily Mail printed about her tragic past. But what about CNN, MSNBC, etc.?

    • Replies: @anonymous
    Fox picked this up but isn't including the best parts http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/09/28/trump-slams-ex-miss-universe-says-saved-her-job.html

    Someone needs to tweet this to drudge, it's nowhere on his site or on breitbart.
    It'll never make the MSM if it can't make the hatosphere
    , @SPMoore8
    I was a little mystified by tweets from Jeffrey Goldberg late this afternoon arguing that Hillary had set a trap for Trump, and Trump had walked right into it: The idea was that by defending his comments about her, Trump was just digging a bigger hole.

    But this was before I realized that there is a large segment of the MSM which is deliberately ignoring today's revelations. However, that cannot last, since Anderson Cooper has already broken the gag rule, Mickey Kaus has written some incredulous tweets, and Fox News is running with it.

    The bigger problem for Trump today is that his off the cuff remark about anyone who isn't conservative Christian (and "should we keep them") is being interpreted as blurting out his genocidal intentions, which is why Goldberg and others keep cross-referencing yet another biography of Hitler and using the NY Times review as a springboard to identify Trump and AH.

    It's also true that the recent news cycle about Alicia shows the extent to which the MSM is completely in HRC's handbag, and that's a scandal of its own. To the question that has been raised, whether the MSM knew about Alicia's past, and chose to ignore it, I'm not sure. If so, they have the same pride goeth before a fall mentality that she does.

    Altogether I consider this entire silly episode a draw, no one is going to gain anything. Except those of us enjoying the spectacle.
  17. Foxnews.com going with big headline tonight on machado threatening the judge in Venezeula. That is smart.

    Breitbart & Drudge ignoring this story? That is dumb. They are over thinking it. This woman is a nutcase psychopath straight out of a dark comedy farce. Guiliani and Trump’s other attack dogs should rip this witch to shreads and connect her crooked bio to Hillary’s crooked bio.

  18. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    The press is running out of weapons they can use against Trump, and they’re grasping at straws.

    If Hillary is panicking over her melting support, I wonder how much of this is fallout over her credit card donation scandal. A lot of the damage from it may be beneath the surface. Donors to her campaign are finding their credit cards are being hit with recurring charges, even though they only made a one-time payment. Things like this have a tendency to enrage your supporters and reinforce the narrative that she’s greedy. One of the few things that can really tick off your supporters is mugging them for their money, especially if the whole reason they’re planning to vote for you is because they’re members of the gimmedat crowd. They’ll scream like a bunch of little Gollums just after Bilbo robbed them of their ring.

    http://observer.com/2016/09/exclusive-hillary-clinton-campaign-systematically-overcharging-poorest-donors/

  19. I noted this morning that the NBC Today show did a full-court press on Ms. Machado, while neglecting to mention anything off the Clinton campaign’s script. Nothing on driving the would-be murderer’s getaway car, or threatening to murder the judge, or wooing her fiance with a sex-tape performance, or having the cocaine kingpin’s baby.

    This evening, NBC Nightly News had a new segment on Ms. Machado, with the same story line and the same omissions.

    According to the WaPo article, the reason is that large swathes of the media are taking their marching orders from the campaign.

    Amazing: not that this is how they roll, but that it’s a source of pride rather than shame.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
  20. iSteveFan says:

    Cosmopolitan had a photo spread of her draped in an American flag –

    Note only did the Clinton campaign and media fail to vet this lady, Cosmo failed to know that it is considered disrespectful to allow the American Flag to touch the ground.

    Yet this newly minted American, Miss Machado, is pictured with the flag touching the ground.

    You’d think Machado would have learned about this during her civics instruction that new Americans must surely receive. Then again, you’d have thought that a person with her background wouldn’t even have been granted citizenship in the first place.

  21. Point of Order:. Abreu would murder an inside fastball that would saw off 85% of major leaguers. He is the guy who could take his hands inside and get the barrel on it.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    Yes. For three years he was a stalwart of my rotisserie roster: power and speed and I got him cheap near the end of the draft!
  22. The father most definitely is the drug baron.

    If you go to https://www2.miami-dadeclerk.com/public-records/StandardSearch.aspx and search for Dinorah Machado, declaration of residence, you can see that her full name is Dinorah Valentina *Alvarez* Machado (note that the mother definitely is Alicia Machado). This means that the father is El Indio, not the legitimate businessman. (h/t gotnews.com)

  23. @iSteveFan
    Reading the blogs today and the Daily Mail it appears that this woman has been thoroughly vetted and found wanting. How is this playing to the average Joe? Do they realize this woman is bogus? I don't have cable television. Is this story still being used to trash Trump, or are they backing away from it? I suppose Fox is probably running with the stuff the Daily Mail printed about her tragic past. But what about CNN, MSNBC, etc.?

    Fox picked this up but isn’t including the best parts http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/09/28/trump-slams-ex-miss-universe-says-saved-her-job.html

    Someone needs to tweet this to drudge, it’s nowhere on his site or on breitbart.
    It’ll never make the MSM if it can’t make the hatosphere

  24. So how about some practical advice as to how Trump turns this around. It sure ain’t helping him win the votes of women, and ladling out more snark here doesn’t seem helpful, either. Why are the Post and the Clintonistas wrong to crow?

  25. Hillary Inc. has oodles of money to spend on (not) selling a lackluster, sickly, paranoid, candidate. That’s resulted in a presidential campaign promoting a lot of bright ideas that would be laughed out of consideration for a State Assembly race.

    I’m thrilled that Hillary chose the last minute of the debate on Monday to an audience of 85M, to defend her new BFF, the crazy Latina. It stands as a terrific example of the kind of judgment she exercises.

  26. At the time, the BBC covered the Machado murder accessory story, too, and the link pops up quite prominently in an English language Google search.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/50862.stm

    A Spanish language search brings up tons of results about the Mexican narco-boyfriend and love child.

    Team Clinton didn’t miss any of this, of course. Despite what I’d like to think, they are not giggly little incompetents. They knew of it, and decided to run with it anyway. They figured that they could get their media pals to suppress any information to the contrary and run favorable stories—because they, the Clintons, have successfully co-opted the media over two decades through shrewd use of patronage and access.

    The worrying aspect is not the behavior of Team Clinton. It’s the behavior of the media.

    It is not just bias (based on ideology), erosion of neutrality (based on patronage and favors), or manipulation by the government (Wag the Dog style) that is the problem of the media in our times.

    It’s the underlying conviction that it is necessary to jettison journalistic neutrality in times of what is perceived to be some existential crisis—that that’s the necessary patriotic duty of the fourth estate to be non-objective and biased.

    Ever since the rush to the Iraq War, this revolutionary fervor defines how they operate when objectivity is most needed, such as during elections. Indeed, it was ever present during the Cold War in relation to the USSR and communism, but never in relation to other areas of foreign policy or in relation to domestic politics.

    It used to be that our journalism schools taught that our system worked well when the media were irrevocably committed to objectivity, and adversarial to all, if necessary, in the observance of that standard. Journalists were expected to be ornery in their pursuit of the facts.

    No longer, it seems. Now, they seem to be pc munchkins seized by visions of saving us from ourselves.

    • Replies: @map
    Now you understand why Putin treats the media as he does. And they deserve it. They are just whores who are paid to tell stories favorable to oligarchs.
    , @Broski
    I'm not so sure the campaign vetted her as well as it should have. Some 28 year old staffer probably saw that Trump fat shamed a Hispanic woman in the 90s, mentioned it to someone up the chain of command, and they figured it was too good to pass up. As often happens, the random useful minority in question turns out to have huge, unimaginably huge, baggage. Can you imagine a Swedish miss universe having a drug lord's baby and driving another boyfriend in his getaway from a murder? That's what they were thinking, without realizing that Venezuelans aren't Swedes due to crimestop.
  27. The father definitely is the drug baron.

    If you go to https://www2.miami-dadeclerk.com/public-records/StandardSearch.aspx and search for Dinorah Machado, declaration of residence, you can see that her full name is Dinorah Valentina *Alvarez* Machado (note that the mother definitely is Alicia Machado). This means the father is El Indio, not the businessman. (h/t gotnews)

  28. @Mr. Blank
    If I'm reading this right, the whole article is a blanket admission that the mainstream press is completely in the tank for Clinton. I never doubted that, of course, but now they're just flat-out bragging about it. I don't mean they're just doing a lot of winking and nudging to liberals while "pretending" to be neutral -- they've been doing that for awhile. Now they're actually laying down markers, coming right out and saying "hell yes, we're unpaid operatives for the Democrats."

    I don't know that I've ever seen that before. Unbelievable.

    Yeah, that was my main takeaway from this too. In their giddy exuberance, the media forgot to camouflage the extensive interconnections between themselves and the Democratic party. Actually, it’s not even connections. They’re just one big continuum.

    Or maybe they’re so sure of victory now, they don’t even care. It’s not even worth the effort of pretending to be objective.

  29. “my assumption in listening to the debate was that Hillary’s crack campaign staff had caught Trump making fun of a 4’11″ illegal alien housekeeper in one of his hotels. But instead she turns out to be a 5’11″ Charo knockoff.”

    Way wait. That’s not fair to Charo. Charo was a hottie in her time, and she didn’t kill anyone. She’s a classically trained Spanish guitarist to boot. Charo’s cool and still good looking at her age.

    I wonder if Charo would agree to campaign for Trump, or perform at any of his fundraisers?

    • Replies: @Tracy
    You beat me to it. Charo's awesome -- sweet, funny, and very talented: https://youtu.be/3bkw7YFHQyo

  30. If they don’t write the story, the paper will find someone who will.

  31. The whole Machado issue needs to be vigorously reframed as an argument AGAINST our current lax immigration policy.

  32. This report about the story from the time makes Trump actually look like a patient sweetheart who wants to help empower a young lady who’s in breach of a contract rather than abandoning her when inconvenient…

    Expanding Miss Universe works to shed pounds

    January 29, 1997
    Web posted at: 4:15 p.m. EST (2115 GMT)
    From Correspondent Jeanne Moos

    NEW YORK (CNN) — When Alicia Machado of Venezuela was named Miss Universe nine months ago, no one could accuse her of being the size of the universe. But as her universe expanded, so did she, putting on nearly 60 pounds.

    Indeed, the reigning Miss Universe learned the hard way that an extra 15 or 20 pounds can gain you a ton of publicity. But now she’s determined to shed at least 15 pounds, though the loss of her Miss Universe crown is no longer an issue.

    “Some people when they have pressure eat too much. Like me. Like Alicia,” said Donald Trump, the executive producer of the Miss Universe Pageant.

    Since winning the crown, the former Miss Venezuela went from 118 pounds to — well — a number that kept growing like the size of the fish that got away.

    trump
    And as her weight grew, so did reports that Kellogg had canceled a deal for her to appear on boxes of Special K in Venezuela or that Kellogg modified her body on the box. But a Kellogg spokesman said the contract simply expired in December and that they were “real pleased” with the promotion.

    “I don’t eat Kellogg’s and for this maybe I gain weight,” the young Machado said simply.

    Rumors also surfaced that she might be forced to give up her Miss Universe crown.

    But Trump, as co-owner of rights to the pageant, said he would never let that happen. “We had a choice of: termination or do this,” he said. “We wanted to do this.”

    situps
    The pageant’s meaning of “do this” was for Machado to get her weight down to about 130 pounds. At a recent photo op, Machado — hardly a blimp at 5-foot-7 — pedaled a stationary bicycle and jumped rope in front of a pack of photographers and reporters who could themselves use a little training.

    “A lot of you folks have weight problems. I hate to tell you,” Trump told the rowdy pool of reporters.

  33. @iSteveFan
    Reading the blogs today and the Daily Mail it appears that this woman has been thoroughly vetted and found wanting. How is this playing to the average Joe? Do they realize this woman is bogus? I don't have cable television. Is this story still being used to trash Trump, or are they backing away from it? I suppose Fox is probably running with the stuff the Daily Mail printed about her tragic past. But what about CNN, MSNBC, etc.?

    I was a little mystified by tweets from Jeffrey Goldberg late this afternoon arguing that Hillary had set a trap for Trump, and Trump had walked right into it: The idea was that by defending his comments about her, Trump was just digging a bigger hole.

    But this was before I realized that there is a large segment of the MSM which is deliberately ignoring today’s revelations. However, that cannot last, since Anderson Cooper has already broken the gag rule, Mickey Kaus has written some incredulous tweets, and Fox News is running with it.

    The bigger problem for Trump today is that his off the cuff remark about anyone who isn’t conservative Christian (and “should we keep them”) is being interpreted as blurting out his genocidal intentions, which is why Goldberg and others keep cross-referencing yet another biography of Hitler and using the NY Times review as a springboard to identify Trump and AH.

    It’s also true that the recent news cycle about Alicia shows the extent to which the MSM is completely in HRC’s handbag, and that’s a scandal of its own. To the question that has been raised, whether the MSM knew about Alicia’s past, and chose to ignore it, I’m not sure. If so, they have the same pride goeth before a fall mentality that she does.

    Altogether I consider this entire silly episode a draw, no one is going to gain anything. Except those of us enjoying the spectacle.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    Alicia struggles for all of us. Her struggle to erase unjust benefit for the beautiful, the talented, the corrupt, the profane, and the tribalist will be remembered forever in the torch of Miss Liberty.
    , @G Pinfold
    The MSM is slowly having to shift the narrative from fat-shaming to slut-shaming. (And the story becomes Trump surrogates 'smearing').
    Meanwhile the DNC must consider whether a gold-digging bimbo, with with a shady past including connections to Mexican organised crime, is an asset to Team Hillary. And will they be able to shut her up when she becomes an even bigger liability?
    , @guest
    I don't think that is a bigger problem, or a problem at all. As with "The Boy Who Cried Wolf," there are diminishing returns on crying Literally Hitler. Since they started in on that as soon as he announced his candidacy, they're down to about where the Donner Party was on food four months into winter.

    It'll require actual calls for ethnic cleansing for anyone to care.
  34. @ic1000
    I like the plain-spoken insight of this Post blogger Alyssa Rosenberg. With only a slight adjustment, she captures just how I feel.

    “The idea that we should trust a woman who hates us in private to protect us in the public sphere is the ultimate insult to our intelligence.”

    You’ve seen the ‘Stormfront or SJW’ subreddit, right?

    They remove the group and you have to guess whether it’s SJWs or some of the more extreme alt-righters.

    • Replies: @ATX Hipster
    Thanks for mentioning that subreddit, I hadn't seen it. Link for anybody interested: https://www.reddit.com/r/StormfrontorSJW/ *

    It's like a niche version of the fifty-fifty subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/FiftyFifty/

    *Neither of the above links have any offensive images on the front page, but both in turn link to a lot of NSFW content. The titles of some of the links themselves also contain profanity, etc.
  35. Birth Name Joseph Alicia Machado Fajardo

    It is probably Josefa not Joseph. Josefa is like Josephine in English.

  36. @Langley
    OT?

    I told my 11 year old daughter that the ADL has declared Pepe the Frog a Hate Symbol:

    http://www.npr.org/2016/09/28/495816963/pepe-the-frogs-long-strange-journey-from-internet-meme-to-hate-symbol

    She told me that in the Memesphere this was tiny. That "Pepe' is bigger than anything they can do to him."

    I was reassured.

    To paraphrase Ann Coulter "Our memes are better than theirs!"

    There are already links being discovered between Pepe and Alicia Machado.

    I think the ADL is simply a front for the concerned citizens who contribute to it. Therefore, from time to time, if someone has made a donation, and calls up and complains about something, they make a statement (as in the case of Pepe) to satisfy the customer and act like they are “doing something.” I say this because the org seems very reactive and some of the things they react to are absurd.

    • Replies: @Langley
    First they came for the Pepe's, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a green frog.

    Then they came for the Alt-Right, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not All-Right.

    Then they came for the White Males, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Male.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
  37. @PiltdownMan
    At the time, the BBC covered the Machado murder accessory story, too, and the link pops up quite prominently in an English language Google search.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/50862.stm

    A Spanish language search brings up tons of results about the Mexican narco-boyfriend and love child.

    Team Clinton didn't miss any of this, of course. Despite what I'd like to think, they are not giggly little incompetents. They knew of it, and decided to run with it anyway. They figured that they could get their media pals to suppress any information to the contrary and run favorable stories—because they, the Clintons, have successfully co-opted the media over two decades through shrewd use of patronage and access.

    The worrying aspect is not the behavior of Team Clinton. It's the behavior of the media.

    It is not just bias (based on ideology), erosion of neutrality (based on patronage and favors), or manipulation by the government (Wag the Dog style) that is the problem of the media in our times.

    It's the underlying conviction that it is necessary to jettison journalistic neutrality in times of what is perceived to be some existential crisis—that that's the necessary patriotic duty of the fourth estate to be non-objective and biased.

    Ever since the rush to the Iraq War, this revolutionary fervor defines how they operate when objectivity is most needed, such as during elections. Indeed, it was ever present during the Cold War in relation to the USSR and communism, but never in relation to other areas of foreign policy or in relation to domestic politics.

    It used to be that our journalism schools taught that our system worked well when the media were irrevocably committed to objectivity, and adversarial to all, if necessary, in the observance of that standard. Journalists were expected to be ornery in their pursuit of the facts.

    No longer, it seems. Now, they seem to be pc munchkins seized by visions of saving us from ourselves.

    Now you understand why Putin treats the media as he does. And they deserve it. They are just whores who are paid to tell stories favorable to oligarchs.

    • Replies: @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    Contrasting media whores with genuine prostitutes:

    Real Prostitutes:
    You don't mind the screwing you get... and you still get your moneys worth...
    Put in honest work for honest pay...
    Still get paid better than dirty media whores...

    Our dear host, Steve, was too good for the guild so they kicked him out!
  38. @slumber_j
    OT, or maybe not, but there's a totally astroturfed thing going around that Trump was sniffling during the debate because of a supposed cocaine problem. Stupid, but gaining traction.

    Given that Howard Dean MD was an early proclaimer, does this come straight from on high?

    Given that Howard Dean MD was an early proclaimer, does this come straight from on high?

    Nice entendre. If this does become a thing, at least there will be no mystery behind who started the Snorterism.

  39. @SPMoore8
    I was a little mystified by tweets from Jeffrey Goldberg late this afternoon arguing that Hillary had set a trap for Trump, and Trump had walked right into it: The idea was that by defending his comments about her, Trump was just digging a bigger hole.

    But this was before I realized that there is a large segment of the MSM which is deliberately ignoring today's revelations. However, that cannot last, since Anderson Cooper has already broken the gag rule, Mickey Kaus has written some incredulous tweets, and Fox News is running with it.

    The bigger problem for Trump today is that his off the cuff remark about anyone who isn't conservative Christian (and "should we keep them") is being interpreted as blurting out his genocidal intentions, which is why Goldberg and others keep cross-referencing yet another biography of Hitler and using the NY Times review as a springboard to identify Trump and AH.

    It's also true that the recent news cycle about Alicia shows the extent to which the MSM is completely in HRC's handbag, and that's a scandal of its own. To the question that has been raised, whether the MSM knew about Alicia's past, and chose to ignore it, I'm not sure. If so, they have the same pride goeth before a fall mentality that she does.

    Altogether I consider this entire silly episode a draw, no one is going to gain anything. Except those of us enjoying the spectacle.

    Alicia struggles for all of us. Her struggle to erase unjust benefit for the beautiful, the talented, the corrupt, the profane, and the tribalist will be remembered forever in the torch of Miss Liberty.

  40. What’s remarkable, though, is how hard it is for Americans these days to see examples of this widespread tendency right before their eyes

    Or alternatively, journalists are just lying for propaganda purposes. It is fair to assume that 85% of the population will not pick up on Ms. Machado’s copious baggage. The Media is not trying to be right, or informed, they are trying to win the hearts and minds.

    I am completely open to the idea that the Alicia Machado narrative was leaked to certain journalists before the Presidential Debate (maybe even to Lester Holt himself). The analysis that Clinton laid a brilliant “trap” for Trump may also be Clinton campaign approved spin. Even if the “trap” narrative did not originate from the Clinton Campaign, journalists likely coordinated to tell the same story.

    Remember folks, they are literally fighting Hitler here.

    http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/9/27/13079878/alicia-machado-trap

    http://www.vox.com/2016/9/27/13074956/hillary-clinton-debate-win-trump-bait-reaction

  41. @SPMoore8
    I was a little mystified by tweets from Jeffrey Goldberg late this afternoon arguing that Hillary had set a trap for Trump, and Trump had walked right into it: The idea was that by defending his comments about her, Trump was just digging a bigger hole.

    But this was before I realized that there is a large segment of the MSM which is deliberately ignoring today's revelations. However, that cannot last, since Anderson Cooper has already broken the gag rule, Mickey Kaus has written some incredulous tweets, and Fox News is running with it.

    The bigger problem for Trump today is that his off the cuff remark about anyone who isn't conservative Christian (and "should we keep them") is being interpreted as blurting out his genocidal intentions, which is why Goldberg and others keep cross-referencing yet another biography of Hitler and using the NY Times review as a springboard to identify Trump and AH.

    It's also true that the recent news cycle about Alicia shows the extent to which the MSM is completely in HRC's handbag, and that's a scandal of its own. To the question that has been raised, whether the MSM knew about Alicia's past, and chose to ignore it, I'm not sure. If so, they have the same pride goeth before a fall mentality that she does.

    Altogether I consider this entire silly episode a draw, no one is going to gain anything. Except those of us enjoying the spectacle.

    The MSM is slowly having to shift the narrative from fat-shaming to slut-shaming. (And the story becomes Trump surrogates ‘smearing’).
    Meanwhile the DNC must consider whether a gold-digging bimbo, with with a shady past including connections to Mexican organised crime, is an asset to Team Hillary. And will they be able to shut her up when she becomes an even bigger liability?

  42. @Mr. Blank
    If I'm reading this right, the whole article is a blanket admission that the mainstream press is completely in the tank for Clinton. I never doubted that, of course, but now they're just flat-out bragging about it. I don't mean they're just doing a lot of winking and nudging to liberals while "pretending" to be neutral -- they've been doing that for awhile. Now they're actually laying down markers, coming right out and saying "hell yes, we're unpaid operatives for the Democrats."

    I don't know that I've ever seen that before. Unbelievable.

    Were you paying attention during the journo-list thing and the recent Wikileaks leaks? This is not news.

  43. • Replies: @Ed
    This is like their 4th freak out of the day. Earlier they were just besides themselves over a Trump joke to an Iowan crowd about removing non-Christians from the room.

    Clinton isn't getting the bounce post debate they'd like. The new PPP poll that shows her up +4 is actually a net loss in margin of a point from their poll last month.A morning consult poll does show a Clinton bump of only 2 points in the head to head. A couple state polls show no real movement with an MI poll showing her up only +5.

    Then there is growing alarm over the black vote not being engaged. So they're raffling off a chance to meet a rapper.
    , @guest
    This is called projection. Scratch a progressive and you'll find a eugenicist. (Or a disgenicist, it's hard to tell.)
    , @SPMoore8
    Why is Eugenics a dangerous and abusive theory? I mean, sure, it can be, if it becomes the basis for state policy, particularly state mandated policy.

    But who actually goes around having babies with just anyone?

    And who doesn't evaluate a prospective mate in terms of the likely qualities their progeny will inherit?

    I realize that in the answers to both questions there are a lot of people who do in fact have babies with just anyone and who are completely thoughtless about the children they produce. But I doubt that many intelligent and thoughtful people approach reproduction that way (notice I did not say "educated.")

    So what's the problem? The fact is, human breeding is like any other kind of breeding, and you can over-select for certain qualities and ignore variation and robustness. Someone ought to explain that to the young lady before she becomes apoplectic.

    Having said that, if the Trump family believes that they are a sort of genetic nobility I can only call that belief charming. However, they do seem generally healthy and robust.
    , @candid_observer
    It's hard to imagine any swing voter being swayed by this "eugenics" argument. Even among the cool prog crowd, I'm sure that the great majority of them know perfectly well genes are a big part of success, which is why they marry the people they do. Nobody but an crazed lefty ideologue is going to get worked up over Trump's belief in the importance of genes in his family.
    , @Obamadon_Imbecilis
    Frankly anyone who doesn't believe that intelligence and success are significantly affected by genes is a flat-earther who needs to do some reading on the subject before mindlessly emoting about which ideas feel wrong to them. The scientific facts involved don't necessarily carry any sort of ethical mandate, but they do clarify the choices and tradeoffs to be made. Besides, pretty much everyone in the First World is on board with eugenics when it comes to procreating with your siblings/cousins, and there are a lot of intermediate steps between that and gassing the mentally handicapped.
  44. She was only an accomplice to an attempted murder. Hey, it’s no big deal.

  45. @PiltdownMan
    At the time, the BBC covered the Machado murder accessory story, too, and the link pops up quite prominently in an English language Google search.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/50862.stm

    A Spanish language search brings up tons of results about the Mexican narco-boyfriend and love child.

    Team Clinton didn't miss any of this, of course. Despite what I'd like to think, they are not giggly little incompetents. They knew of it, and decided to run with it anyway. They figured that they could get their media pals to suppress any information to the contrary and run favorable stories—because they, the Clintons, have successfully co-opted the media over two decades through shrewd use of patronage and access.

    The worrying aspect is not the behavior of Team Clinton. It's the behavior of the media.

    It is not just bias (based on ideology), erosion of neutrality (based on patronage and favors), or manipulation by the government (Wag the Dog style) that is the problem of the media in our times.

    It's the underlying conviction that it is necessary to jettison journalistic neutrality in times of what is perceived to be some existential crisis—that that's the necessary patriotic duty of the fourth estate to be non-objective and biased.

    Ever since the rush to the Iraq War, this revolutionary fervor defines how they operate when objectivity is most needed, such as during elections. Indeed, it was ever present during the Cold War in relation to the USSR and communism, but never in relation to other areas of foreign policy or in relation to domestic politics.

    It used to be that our journalism schools taught that our system worked well when the media were irrevocably committed to objectivity, and adversarial to all, if necessary, in the observance of that standard. Journalists were expected to be ornery in their pursuit of the facts.

    No longer, it seems. Now, they seem to be pc munchkins seized by visions of saving us from ourselves.

    I’m not so sure the campaign vetted her as well as it should have. Some 28 year old staffer probably saw that Trump fat shamed a Hispanic woman in the 90s, mentioned it to someone up the chain of command, and they figured it was too good to pass up. As often happens, the random useful minority in question turns out to have huge, unimaginably huge, baggage. Can you imagine a Swedish miss universe having a drug lord’s baby and driving another boyfriend in his getaway from a murder? That’s what they were thinking, without realizing that Venezuelans aren’t Swedes due to crimestop.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    A Swedish Miss Universe married Roy Cohn's pal from the Army-McCarthy hearings, David Schine. They had a long marriage and six kids.
  46. @Broski
    I'm not so sure the campaign vetted her as well as it should have. Some 28 year old staffer probably saw that Trump fat shamed a Hispanic woman in the 90s, mentioned it to someone up the chain of command, and they figured it was too good to pass up. As often happens, the random useful minority in question turns out to have huge, unimaginably huge, baggage. Can you imagine a Swedish miss universe having a drug lord's baby and driving another boyfriend in his getaway from a murder? That's what they were thinking, without realizing that Venezuelans aren't Swedes due to crimestop.

    A Swedish Miss Universe married Roy Cohn’s pal from the Army-McCarthy hearings, David Schine. They had a long marriage and six kids.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEXW4sjcPMc
  47. The media, including NBC, CNN, WaPo, NYT, LAT, etc will NEVER run anything about attempted murder, narco kingpins baby, cheating, or any other Telenovela stuff.

    And technically Steve you’re wrong. Its not just telenovela women who like rich violent guys. Its women.

    Hillary probably won the Presidency the other night. Its the Mean Girl strategy. She doesn’t want or need White male votes. This has been the strategy of Democrats since Bill Clinton. Pretty much every White woman over 30 is going to be voting for Hillary! The connection and mutual need between men and women is just gone; single motherhood’s explosion is a good indicator right there.

    There is a reason Obama is President. The bitter resentments and mutual hatreds of White men is pretty strong KKKrazy Glue. The US Army Social Media Manager (a White woman) posted anti-Trump stuff. White women are the key part of the anti-White coalition; not even Hillary thinks of herself as White. Neither do most women of her class and race.

  48. The Left claims to be all about the minorities but what this little stunt shows is that they know very little about them. Do they think Hispanics are just sitting at home waiting to be told to get offended by something? Maybe blacks spoiled liberals in regards to ease of group manipulation but this is no game changer.

  49. Ms. Machado tweets that she is ready to vote for Hilary Clinton. Is this the first sign of the so far somnolent Hispanic tidal wave?

  50. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/ParkerMolloy/status/781312426654502912

    Libs are freaking out over this.

    This is like their 4th freak out of the day. Earlier they were just besides themselves over a Trump joke to an Iowan crowd about removing non-Christians from the room.

    Clinton isn’t getting the bounce post debate they’d like. The new PPP poll that shows her up +4 is actually a net loss in margin of a point from their poll last month.A morning consult poll does show a Clinton bump of only 2 points in the head to head. A couple state polls show no real movement with an MI poll showing her up only +5.

    Then there is growing alarm over the black vote not being engaged. So they’re raffling off a chance to meet a rapper.

    • Replies: @Mr. Blank
    I've noticed that in the days since the debate, my lefty Facebook friends have all been posting a variety of memes and links which all seem to be focused on guilting less-enthusiastic liberals into voting for Hillary. It has a very stealth-astroturfing feel, since it all seems to be aimed at a specific demographic: Young white millenial Bern-outs who simply cannot work up any energy for Clinton.

    Since there seems to be some coordination behind it, it makes me wonder what the Dems are seeing in their polling results.
  51. Notice how what the Washington Post considers brilliant strategy is basically just Clinton being an internet troll. You lose simply by responding. I love how they pretend as if the MSN ran with it because Trump fell into the “trap.” Like it’s a court of law, and he opened up the line of questioning. As if they weren’t going to run with the story the next day no matter what Trump did.

    By the way, this is a pitiful trap. Trump screwed up by responding to it, yes. But he did that all night. He was defensive and never really got off his back foot. However, Miss Piggy is no gold star mom and dad. Nobody cares. Trump didn’t step in it any more than he stepped in talking about the birth certificate or his business.

    • Replies: @iSteveFan
    Yes, she basically trolled Trump so that makes her fit for office. Meanwhile the fact that while she was Secretary of State and did nothing while people under her command where fighting for their lives for 13 hours doesn't matter. Too bad she couldn't use those trolling skills to save those poor souls.
  52. @SFG
    You've seen the 'Stormfront or SJW' subreddit, right?

    They remove the group and you have to guess whether it's SJWs or some of the more extreme alt-righters.

    Thanks for mentioning that subreddit, I hadn’t seen it. Link for anybody interested: https://www.reddit.com/r/StormfrontorSJW/ *

    It’s like a niche version of the fifty-fifty subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/FiftyFifty/

    *Neither of the above links have any offensive images on the front page, but both in turn link to a lot of NSFW content. The titles of some of the links themselves also contain profanity, etc.

  53. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/ParkerMolloy/status/781312426654502912

    Libs are freaking out over this.

    This is called projection. Scratch a progressive and you’ll find a eugenicist. (Or a disgenicist, it’s hard to tell.)

  54. @AKAHorace
    Steve you are right but unfortunately it may not make any difference. Fat women are an important voting block. Perhaps if Trump was a chubby chaser like that bounty hunter guy he could carry this off.

    He has to emphasize her links to organized (well as organized as anything is in Venezuela) crime and being the winner of a beauty pageant. "My immigration policy will not discriminate against all Beauty contest winners with links to organized crime. Just the bad apples"

    Fat women are not a bloc. No one wants to think of themselves as fat. Certainly no one votes in the interest of fatness.

    • LOL: Broski
  55. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/ParkerMolloy/status/781312426654502912

    Libs are freaking out over this.

    Why is Eugenics a dangerous and abusive theory? I mean, sure, it can be, if it becomes the basis for state policy, particularly state mandated policy.

    But who actually goes around having babies with just anyone?

    And who doesn’t evaluate a prospective mate in terms of the likely qualities their progeny will inherit?

    I realize that in the answers to both questions there are a lot of people who do in fact have babies with just anyone and who are completely thoughtless about the children they produce. But I doubt that many intelligent and thoughtful people approach reproduction that way (notice I did not say “educated.”)

    So what’s the problem? The fact is, human breeding is like any other kind of breeding, and you can over-select for certain qualities and ignore variation and robustness. Someone ought to explain that to the young lady before she becomes apoplectic.

    Having said that, if the Trump family believes that they are a sort of genetic nobility I can only call that belief charming. However, they do seem generally healthy and robust.

    • Replies: @guest
    "Why is Eugenics a dangerous and abusive theory?"

    Because Hitler.

    Eugenics is perfectly rational and within the bounds of polite discussion so long as you don't call it "eugenics." Libs talk all the time, openly, about aborting babies with Downs Syndrome, for instance. No one bats an eye. Even those who think abortion murder don't shriek "Gas chamber!" when it comes up.

    But if you're Trump, you're the enemy, and you're on the other side. The other side of progressivism is Hitler, according to progressives. If you also say things that they consider racist, and have a chance to hurt them, you're Literally Hitler. Everything else you say is only confirmation of that fact. So if you ever say anything at all is determined by genetics, that's freak out time, due to the pre-established Hitlerian facts.

    That's why progressives can advocate the elimination of unfit fetuses and Trump can't attribute his family's success to good genes.

    , @Mike Zwick
    "But who actually goes around having babies with just anyone?" This is actually a big problem in many inner city neighborhoods. http://takimag.com/article/here_comes_honey_jigaboo_boo_jim_goad#axzz4Le7lB7jz
  56. I bet when November 8 comes this new citizen doesn’t even bother to vote. Not unless cameras and kleig lights accompany her. You know, a single vote, high drama.

    Worse thought how many more will she apply to sponsor to come into the US.

  57. @SPMoore8
    Why is Eugenics a dangerous and abusive theory? I mean, sure, it can be, if it becomes the basis for state policy, particularly state mandated policy.

    But who actually goes around having babies with just anyone?

    And who doesn't evaluate a prospective mate in terms of the likely qualities their progeny will inherit?

    I realize that in the answers to both questions there are a lot of people who do in fact have babies with just anyone and who are completely thoughtless about the children they produce. But I doubt that many intelligent and thoughtful people approach reproduction that way (notice I did not say "educated.")

    So what's the problem? The fact is, human breeding is like any other kind of breeding, and you can over-select for certain qualities and ignore variation and robustness. Someone ought to explain that to the young lady before she becomes apoplectic.

    Having said that, if the Trump family believes that they are a sort of genetic nobility I can only call that belief charming. However, they do seem generally healthy and robust.

    “Why is Eugenics a dangerous and abusive theory?”

    Because Hitler.

    Eugenics is perfectly rational and within the bounds of polite discussion so long as you don’t call it “eugenics.” Libs talk all the time, openly, about aborting babies with Downs Syndrome, for instance. No one bats an eye. Even those who think abortion murder don’t shriek “Gas chamber!” when it comes up.

    But if you’re Trump, you’re the enemy, and you’re on the other side. The other side of progressivism is Hitler, according to progressives. If you also say things that they consider racist, and have a chance to hurt them, you’re Literally Hitler. Everything else you say is only confirmation of that fact. So if you ever say anything at all is determined by genetics, that’s freak out time, due to the pre-established Hitlerian facts.

    That’s why progressives can advocate the elimination of unfit fetuses and Trump can’t attribute his family’s success to good genes.

    • Replies: @res
    Also fun to bring up is how intertwined the histories of the eugenics movement and early progressives are. Lots of documentation of this. For example, see: http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/progressive-eugenics/
  58. @Anon
    I'm not sure how much this hurts. Trump never had the fat Mexican bimbo vote in the first place. As for fat liberal women in general, they weren't voting for him, either.

    Agree.

    Trump never had the insane, fat, ugly woman vote(mostly feminists, obese black and latina women). Heck almost every video I see of feminists it’s usually hideously morbid fat broad with a buzz cut. Such as the legendary “Trigglypuff”.

  59. Speaking of still rallying around Machado even in the face of the many revelations, here’s a Daily Beast article that pretends to confront the problems in her past and defends her against “smears”:

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/09/28/the-race-to-smear-miss-universe-alicia-machado-as-a-bloodthirsty-drug-lord-loving-porn-star.html

    You see, she isn’t really a porn-star, because those porn videos were of another actress. And all of those accusations of criminality mean nothing because she was never convicted. And there’s no proof that her daughter is the child of a drug lord.

    I guess it’s just all a run of bad luck for this wise Latina. I mean, pretty much anybody has at one time or another had a boyfriend who was indicted for murder, been accused of driving a get-away car after the murder, been accused of threatening the life of a judge, had a daughter whom everyone believes is that of a drug lord, had the drug lord and his many henchmen show up for the christening, and been seen on video screwing around on your boyfriend.

    Really, who hasn’t had a few years like that?

  60. @Steve Sailer
    A Swedish Miss Universe married Roy Cohn's pal from the Army-McCarthy hearings, David Schine. They had a long marriage and six kids.

  61. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    The right is far too ticked off at the left to believe anything the left says, and the left is just an echo chamber of hysterical leftists scaring other leftists. I doubt anything the leftist media says at this point will change the general vote. The battle lines are drawn.

  62. @SPMoore8
    I was a little mystified by tweets from Jeffrey Goldberg late this afternoon arguing that Hillary had set a trap for Trump, and Trump had walked right into it: The idea was that by defending his comments about her, Trump was just digging a bigger hole.

    But this was before I realized that there is a large segment of the MSM which is deliberately ignoring today's revelations. However, that cannot last, since Anderson Cooper has already broken the gag rule, Mickey Kaus has written some incredulous tweets, and Fox News is running with it.

    The bigger problem for Trump today is that his off the cuff remark about anyone who isn't conservative Christian (and "should we keep them") is being interpreted as blurting out his genocidal intentions, which is why Goldberg and others keep cross-referencing yet another biography of Hitler and using the NY Times review as a springboard to identify Trump and AH.

    It's also true that the recent news cycle about Alicia shows the extent to which the MSM is completely in HRC's handbag, and that's a scandal of its own. To the question that has been raised, whether the MSM knew about Alicia's past, and chose to ignore it, I'm not sure. If so, they have the same pride goeth before a fall mentality that she does.

    Altogether I consider this entire silly episode a draw, no one is going to gain anything. Except those of us enjoying the spectacle.

    I don’t think that is a bigger problem, or a problem at all. As with “The Boy Who Cried Wolf,” there are diminishing returns on crying Literally Hitler. Since they started in on that as soon as he announced his candidacy, they’re down to about where the Donner Party was on food four months into winter.

    It’ll require actual calls for ethnic cleansing for anyone to care.

  63. @Pseudonymic
    Let's see if Trump holds back in the next debate. He was lame on Monday night. A dozen easy kill shots were not taken.

    Trump is a mediocre re-framer. He should've reframed nearly every Holt question. Hillary's attacks were weak and yet they stymied him after the 30 minute mark.

    Why the hell didn't Trump's team have the dirt on Machado? She became a minor campaign issue many months ago or was it even last summer?

    Team Trump is overall lame. He's hard to watch/listen during a debate. His core people are nothing special.

    I agree. I thought at the very least some of his people were readers here? And now Trump swings and misses at softballs that any random on-side commenter here could knock out of the park?

  64. iSteveFan says:
    @guest
    Notice how what the Washington Post considers brilliant strategy is basically just Clinton being an internet troll. You lose simply by responding. I love how they pretend as if the MSN ran with it because Trump fell into the "trap." Like it's a court of law, and he opened up the line of questioning. As if they weren't going to run with the story the next day no matter what Trump did.

    By the way, this is a pitiful trap. Trump screwed up by responding to it, yes. But he did that all night. He was defensive and never really got off his back foot. However, Miss Piggy is no gold star mom and dad. Nobody cares. Trump didn't step in it any more than he stepped in talking about the birth certificate or his business.

    Yes, she basically trolled Trump so that makes her fit for office. Meanwhile the fact that while she was Secretary of State and did nothing while people under her command where fighting for their lives for 13 hours doesn’t matter. Too bad she couldn’t use those trolling skills to save those poor souls.

  65. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/ParkerMolloy/status/781312426654502912

    Libs are freaking out over this.

    It’s hard to imagine any swing voter being swayed by this “eugenics” argument. Even among the cool prog crowd, I’m sure that the great majority of them know perfectly well genes are a big part of success, which is why they marry the people they do. Nobody but an crazed lefty ideologue is going to get worked up over Trump’s belief in the importance of genes in his family.

  66. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/ParkerMolloy/status/781312426654502912

    Libs are freaking out over this.

    Frankly anyone who doesn’t believe that intelligence and success are significantly affected by genes is a flat-earther who needs to do some reading on the subject before mindlessly emoting about which ideas feel wrong to them. The scientific facts involved don’t necessarily carry any sort of ethical mandate, but they do clarify the choices and tradeoffs to be made. Besides, pretty much everyone in the First World is on board with eugenics when it comes to procreating with your siblings/cousins, and there are a lot of intermediate steps between that and gassing the mentally handicapped.

  67. So how old is Ms. Housekeeping’s kid? Wonder if he’s in the US, and what his criminal record looks like.

  68. @map
    Now you understand why Putin treats the media as he does. And they deserve it. They are just whores who are paid to tell stories favorable to oligarchs.

    Contrasting media whores with genuine prostitutes:

    Real Prostitutes:
    You don’t mind the screwing you get… and you still get your moneys worth…
    Put in honest work for honest pay…
    Still get paid better than dirty media whores…

    Our dear host, Steve, was too good for the guild so they kicked him out!

  69. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "my assumption in listening to the debate was that Hillary’s crack campaign staff had caught Trump making fun of a 4’11″ illegal alien housekeeper in one of his hotels. But instead she turns out to be a 5’11″ Charo knockoff."

    Way wait. That's not fair to Charo. Charo was a hottie in her time, and she didn't kill anyone. She's a classically trained Spanish guitarist to boot. Charo's cool and still good looking at her age.

    I wonder if Charo would agree to campaign for Trump, or perform at any of his fundraisers?

    You beat me to it. Charo’s awesome — sweet, funny, and very talented:

  70. @SPMoore8
    There are already links being discovered between Pepe and Alicia Machado.

    https://i.redditmedia.com/LNClomrAFsybEAPwuSarFHAg0qKOZtYkH8Cg8prw1NU.jpg?w=534&s=9e4717bd909cba9f46b71ed029093858

    I think the ADL is simply a front for the concerned citizens who contribute to it. Therefore, from time to time, if someone has made a donation, and calls up and complains about something, they make a statement (as in the case of Pepe) to satisfy the customer and act like they are "doing something." I say this because the org seems very reactive and some of the things they react to are absurd.

    First they came for the Pepe’s, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a green frog.

    Then they came for the Alt-Right, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not All-Right.

    Then they came for the White Males, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Male.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Darn tootin' there was no one left to speak; everyone croaked.
  71. @Ed
    This is like their 4th freak out of the day. Earlier they were just besides themselves over a Trump joke to an Iowan crowd about removing non-Christians from the room.

    Clinton isn't getting the bounce post debate they'd like. The new PPP poll that shows her up +4 is actually a net loss in margin of a point from their poll last month.A morning consult poll does show a Clinton bump of only 2 points in the head to head. A couple state polls show no real movement with an MI poll showing her up only +5.

    Then there is growing alarm over the black vote not being engaged. So they're raffling off a chance to meet a rapper.

    I’ve noticed that in the days since the debate, my lefty Facebook friends have all been posting a variety of memes and links which all seem to be focused on guilting less-enthusiastic liberals into voting for Hillary. It has a very stealth-astroturfing feel, since it all seems to be aimed at a specific demographic: Young white millenial Bern-outs who simply cannot work up any energy for Clinton.

    Since there seems to be some coordination behind it, it makes me wonder what the Dems are seeing in their polling results.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    I've been seeing something similar: a rash of FB links to 'Yes, okay, she's kind of flawed, but we MUST vote for her to Save The World From Trump' articles from a variety of lefty sources.

    Or maybe the lefty true believers are all starting to sweat at the same time because the polls have started showing the race more or less even? I think many of my lefty friends in the USA are like some of my Brit friends in the run-up to the Brexit vote: they just cannot process the possibility that they could lose.

  72. @Mr. Blank
    I've noticed that in the days since the debate, my lefty Facebook friends have all been posting a variety of memes and links which all seem to be focused on guilting less-enthusiastic liberals into voting for Hillary. It has a very stealth-astroturfing feel, since it all seems to be aimed at a specific demographic: Young white millenial Bern-outs who simply cannot work up any energy for Clinton.

    Since there seems to be some coordination behind it, it makes me wonder what the Dems are seeing in their polling results.

    I’ve been seeing something similar: a rash of FB links to ‘Yes, okay, she’s kind of flawed, but we MUST vote for her to Save The World From Trump’ articles from a variety of lefty sources.

    Or maybe the lefty true believers are all starting to sweat at the same time because the polls have started showing the race more or less even? I think many of my lefty friends in the USA are like some of my Brit friends in the run-up to the Brexit vote: they just cannot process the possibility that they could lose.

  73. @AKAHorace
    Steve you are right but unfortunately it may not make any difference. Fat women are an important voting block. Perhaps if Trump was a chubby chaser like that bounty hunter guy he could carry this off.

    He has to emphasize her links to organized (well as organized as anything is in Venezuela) crime and being the winner of a beauty pageant. "My immigration policy will not discriminate against all Beauty contest winners with links to organized crime. Just the bad apples"

    I agree with the commentators who advise Trump to just let it alone and stick to the issues. His response added fuel to the whole imbroglio. He rose to the bait.

    Machado has a very shady past, including very, very hard core porn movies, on-air infidelity to her fiance, threatening a judge, involvement in an attempted murder, and consorting with a wanted Mexican drug kingpin. And, these are not simply rumors either, but all reflect on-line documentation and official testimony.

    All Trump needs to do is express a general sympathy to her, wish her well, and move on.

    She will say anything she needs to to benefit herself. At the moment, the Hillary campaign is her bread and butter. There is absolutely no point to Trump engaging her accusations.

    • Replies: @eah
    I generally agree that Trump should let surrogates handle discrediting her and exposing the degeneracy of the Clinton campaign and its media co-conspirators for promoting her.

    All Trump needs to do is express a general sympathy to her,...

    But considering "Machado has a very shady past" (to put it mildly), I find your suggestion that a presidential candidate "express general sympathy to her" to be very beta and absolutely absurd.
  74. @guest
    "Why is Eugenics a dangerous and abusive theory?"

    Because Hitler.

    Eugenics is perfectly rational and within the bounds of polite discussion so long as you don't call it "eugenics." Libs talk all the time, openly, about aborting babies with Downs Syndrome, for instance. No one bats an eye. Even those who think abortion murder don't shriek "Gas chamber!" when it comes up.

    But if you're Trump, you're the enemy, and you're on the other side. The other side of progressivism is Hitler, according to progressives. If you also say things that they consider racist, and have a chance to hurt them, you're Literally Hitler. Everything else you say is only confirmation of that fact. So if you ever say anything at all is determined by genetics, that's freak out time, due to the pre-established Hitlerian facts.

    That's why progressives can advocate the elimination of unfit fetuses and Trump can't attribute his family's success to good genes.

    Also fun to bring up is how intertwined the histories of the eugenics movement and early progressives are. Lots of documentation of this. For example, see: http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/progressive-eugenics/

  75. Dahlia says:

    How much is this hurting Clinton?

    I’m guessing not much, but it’s not hurting Trump anymore, either. Mostly, he can thank Juanita Broaddrick for being angry enough at some of the refuse from Clinton’s trainwreck to come out and shame the Clintons, and along with them, their supporters.

    Team Trump could have taken this own goal and thrown it right back at Team Clinton twice as hard, but didn’t and probably for the same reason Clinton returned this well once again: Trump is at a class deficit when it comes to women.

    Clinton’s supporters, as Steve points out, have a lot of their identity built up around the fact that they’re smart. Exploiting Clinton’s screw-up would have gone straight at this soft underbelly, taken the target off his back, AND put it on hers: win, win, win all around, right?

    But it just doesn’t occur, and will never occur, to Trump what a pig he had been, so instead of exploiting Clinton’s epic mistake, well, he just needs to take a few minutes to explain, because *obviously* people don’t realize, that she got fat : /
    (If you’re part of the “Amen” corner that said things like, “It’s a beauty pageant, whadya whadya?” No. The words “Trump”, “looks”, “fat”, “weight”, etc., should never, ever, NEVER be in the same sentence. IGNORE, CHANGE THE SUBJECT, it’s unwinnable.)

    • Replies: @guest
    I think you're wrong. It's almost all downside, and Trump isn't the one to argue otherwise, because apparently women who don't meet him in person just don't like him. However, the whattya-whattya crowd have one big piece of truth on their side. Normal to fat women don't like pretty girls who pretend to feel their pain because for a couple of months they were puffier than usual. "Oh my God, I'm like so fat today, you guys. I can't even."

    If potentially turned off voters could be prevented from putting themselves in her shoes and instead see it for what it is, basically a poor little rich girl complaining about having her million dollar a month allowance cut back, then it'd be neutralized. This is not the sort of lady normal women typically sympathize with. Just like they didn't really sympathize with her patron, the cold-hearted you know what, Hillary.

  76. @SPMoore8
    Why is Eugenics a dangerous and abusive theory? I mean, sure, it can be, if it becomes the basis for state policy, particularly state mandated policy.

    But who actually goes around having babies with just anyone?

    And who doesn't evaluate a prospective mate in terms of the likely qualities their progeny will inherit?

    I realize that in the answers to both questions there are a lot of people who do in fact have babies with just anyone and who are completely thoughtless about the children they produce. But I doubt that many intelligent and thoughtful people approach reproduction that way (notice I did not say "educated.")

    So what's the problem? The fact is, human breeding is like any other kind of breeding, and you can over-select for certain qualities and ignore variation and robustness. Someone ought to explain that to the young lady before she becomes apoplectic.

    Having said that, if the Trump family believes that they are a sort of genetic nobility I can only call that belief charming. However, they do seem generally healthy and robust.

    “But who actually goes around having babies with just anyone?” This is actually a big problem in many inner city neighborhoods. http://takimag.com/article/here_comes_honey_jigaboo_boo_jim_goad#axzz4Le7lB7jz

  77. Dahlia says:

    Just found this L.A. Times article from Hot Air, “Trump wanted to fire women who weren’t pretty enough, say employees at his California golf club”

    Packed a lot in that title! I loved Ann Coulter’s most recent column (she oversold how bad and self-indulgent Trump was in second half, but I digress), especially when she discussed the need for Trump to quell his Pavlovian responses to baits…

    Trump and Trump fans, do not respond to this article. No matter how fantastic your crafted defenses are, don’t do it. No, “but you’re supposed to…”, or “who wouldn’t…”, and, most especially, the “they all do it”. As Coulter put it, the words that come out of your mouth should be to the voters about how you’re going to bring jobs back, improve healthcare, etc.

    http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-na-pol-trump-women/

  78. @Langley
    OT?

    I told my 11 year old daughter that the ADL has declared Pepe the Frog a Hate Symbol:

    http://www.npr.org/2016/09/28/495816963/pepe-the-frogs-long-strange-journey-from-internet-meme-to-hate-symbol

    She told me that in the Memesphere this was tiny. That "Pepe' is bigger than anything they can do to him."

    I was reassured.

    To paraphrase Ann Coulter "Our memes are better than theirs!"

    You’re raising an 11-year-old daughter who responded thus to this?

    May all hats be tipped in your direction.

  79. Wait one. Alicia Machado’s first name is “Joseph”???

  80. Too bad summer’s officially over because Alicia Machado’s story gives me a great idea for a fun game to play in the pool:

    ¡NARCO! ¡BIMBO!

    Hey, it’s warm in Miami all year long…

    On a side note: At 6’1″ and 205 lbs, her baby daddy “El Indio” is pretty big for a guy who looks like that and who’s probably from Sinaloa. For comparison, “the Dog Whisperer” (Cesar Millan) is only 5’5″. At least this silicone minx is less hypocritical than many Conquistador-Americans these days who often practice identity politics in public but caste privilege in private. But this spicy silicone minx appears to judge a man, not by the color of his skin –but by the content of his wallet: Her baseball-player ex even looks like he could be tri-racial like Hugo Chavez. ¡Viva la revolución!

  81. @Dahlia
    How much is this hurting Clinton?

    I'm guessing not much, but it's not hurting Trump anymore, either. Mostly, he can thank Juanita Broaddrick for being angry enough at some of the refuse from Clinton's trainwreck to come out and shame the Clintons, and along with them, their supporters.

    Team Trump could have taken this own goal and thrown it right back at Team Clinton twice as hard, but didn't and probably for the same reason Clinton returned this well once again: Trump is at a class deficit when it comes to women.

    Clinton's supporters, as Steve points out, have a lot of their identity built up around the fact that they're smart. Exploiting Clinton's screw-up would have gone straight at this soft underbelly, taken the target off his back, AND put it on hers: win, win, win all around, right?

    But it just doesn't occur, and will never occur, to Trump what a pig he had been, so instead of exploiting Clinton's epic mistake, well, he just needs to take a few minutes to explain, because *obviously* people don't realize, that she got fat : /
    (If you're part of the "Amen" corner that said things like, "It's a beauty pageant, whadya whadya?" No. The words "Trump", "looks", "fat", "weight", etc., should never, ever, NEVER be in the same sentence. IGNORE, CHANGE THE SUBJECT, it's unwinnable.)

    I think you’re wrong. It’s almost all downside, and Trump isn’t the one to argue otherwise, because apparently women who don’t meet him in person just don’t like him. However, the whattya-whattya crowd have one big piece of truth on their side. Normal to fat women don’t like pretty girls who pretend to feel their pain because for a couple of months they were puffier than usual. “Oh my God, I’m like so fat today, you guys. I can’t even.”

    If potentially turned off voters could be prevented from putting themselves in her shoes and instead see it for what it is, basically a poor little rich girl complaining about having her million dollar a month allowance cut back, then it’d be neutralized. This is not the sort of lady normal women typically sympathize with. Just like they didn’t really sympathize with her patron, the cold-hearted you know what, Hillary.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    Women are different.

    My girlfriend is slender and in great shape (swimmer/cyclist) for her age. She's one of those slim women who says things like "I feel fat today!", which I don't think endears her to her hefty coworkers. She defends herself by telling me that ALL women are irrational about their looks/weight and change their minds about it on a daily basis, which I think is observably true, and that a you-go-girl, 200-pound woman wearing yoga pants must be feeling good about the way she looks, despite all appearances to the contrary, so why should she have a problem with the "skinny bitch" feeling fat?
  82. @Langley
    First they came for the Pepe's, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a green frog.

    Then they came for the Alt-Right, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not All-Right.

    Then they came for the White Males, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Male.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

    Darn tootin’ there was no one left to speak; everyone croaked.

  83. @Hodag
    Point of Order:. Abreu would murder an inside fastball that would saw off 85% of major leaguers. He is the guy who could take his hands inside and get the barrel on it.

    Yes. For three years he was a stalwart of my rotisserie roster: power and speed and I got him cheap near the end of the draft!

  84. @guest
    I think you're wrong. It's almost all downside, and Trump isn't the one to argue otherwise, because apparently women who don't meet him in person just don't like him. However, the whattya-whattya crowd have one big piece of truth on their side. Normal to fat women don't like pretty girls who pretend to feel their pain because for a couple of months they were puffier than usual. "Oh my God, I'm like so fat today, you guys. I can't even."

    If potentially turned off voters could be prevented from putting themselves in her shoes and instead see it for what it is, basically a poor little rich girl complaining about having her million dollar a month allowance cut back, then it'd be neutralized. This is not the sort of lady normal women typically sympathize with. Just like they didn't really sympathize with her patron, the cold-hearted you know what, Hillary.

    Women are different.

    My girlfriend is slender and in great shape (swimmer/cyclist) for her age. She’s one of those slim women who says things like “I feel fat today!”, which I don’t think endears her to her hefty coworkers. She defends herself by telling me that ALL women are irrational about their looks/weight and change their minds about it on a daily basis, which I think is observably true, and that a you-go-girl, 200-pound woman wearing yoga pants must be feeling good about the way she looks, despite all appearances to the contrary, so why should she have a problem with the “skinny bitch” feeling fat?

  85. @RonaldB
    I agree with the commentators who advise Trump to just let it alone and stick to the issues. His response added fuel to the whole imbroglio. He rose to the bait.

    Machado has a very shady past, including very, very hard core porn movies, on-air infidelity to her fiance, threatening a judge, involvement in an attempted murder, and consorting with a wanted Mexican drug kingpin. And, these are not simply rumors either, but all reflect on-line documentation and official testimony.

    All Trump needs to do is express a general sympathy to her, wish her well, and move on.

    She will say anything she needs to to benefit herself. At the moment, the Hillary campaign is her bread and butter. There is absolutely no point to Trump engaging her accusations.

    I generally agree that Trump should let surrogates handle discrediting her and exposing the degeneracy of the Clinton campaign and its media co-conspirators for promoting her.

    All Trump needs to do is express a general sympathy to her,…

    But considering “Machado has a very shady past” (to put it mildly), I find your suggestion that a presidential candidate “express general sympathy to her” to be very beta and absolutely absurd.

    • Replies: @eah
    https://twitter.com/kausmickey/status/782094939689619456
  86. @eah
    I generally agree that Trump should let surrogates handle discrediting her and exposing the degeneracy of the Clinton campaign and its media co-conspirators for promoting her.

    All Trump needs to do is express a general sympathy to her,...

    But considering "Machado has a very shady past" (to put it mildly), I find your suggestion that a presidential candidate "express general sympathy to her" to be very beta and absolutely absurd.

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