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Last April in Taki’s Magazine, I pointed to the Bruce’s Beach hubbub in Manhattan Beach, CA in which descendants of a black family that had had their land taken via eminent domain for a park are being given the public park which they can now sell for \$75 million, as being emblematic of what the demand for equity is really about: blacks don’t own much valuable real estate, while whites do, so they want to take trillions of dollars of land and/or cash from whites.

The Washington Post news section now makes my point for me:

Advocates push nationwide movement for land return to Blacks after victory in California

One Black family’s successful fight to reclaim a picturesque stretch of beach is giving hope to others seeking the return of property that was taken from them

By Erica Werner and Troy McMullen
Yesterday at 6:00 a.m. EST|Updated yesterday at 12:45 p.m. EST

MANHATTAN BEACH, Calif. — A Black family’s successful fight to reclaim a picturesque stretch of Southern California shoreline has ignited a national movement, with activists eyeing White-owned properties around the country they say rightfully belong to African Americans.

A landmark law signed by California Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) on Sept. 30 provided for a seaside park in Manhattan Beach to be returned to the Bruce family, which owned the land before the city used eminent domain to seize it in 1924.

After all, no white landowner ever lost their property in an involuntary eminent domain action.

The victory was hailed as a watershed moment, the first example of Black people forcing the return of property that was taken from them by one means or another, often violently, over the years.

Should blacks return their land to American Indians?

Don’t be silly.

At the same time it raised a question: Would the Bruce’s Beach case be a one-off, or a tipping point in a national struggle over Black land ownership? Activists and scholars say there are other similar cases nationwide, but proving them — and getting the current property owners to cooperate — will be a different matter, forcing another chapter in the nation’s racial reckoning and raising thorny questions about how to right past wrongs.

“The reason it’s getting so much attention now is there’s been a precedent set and that’s what’s giving hope to other families,” said Kavon Ward, who helped lead the successful fight on behalf of the Bruce family and has co-founded a group called Where Is My Land aimed at advocating for other Black people who are trying to reclaim lost and stolen land. “This is just the beginning.”

Ward said she has already heard from more than 100 people eager to make the case that they have a rightful claim to property now occupied by others. Her group is turning its attention to a tract of land in Cleveland now partly owned by the Cleveland Clinic that activists say rightfully belongs to former businessman Winston E. Willis. As with the Bruce case in California, advocates say, Willis was deprived not just of his property but also of decades of potential prosperity — a scenario that, repeated many times over, lies at the root of the wealth gap between Whites and African Americans.

It would be racist to mention any other possible contributors to the wealth gap between whites and blacks.

One home, a lifetime of impact

But the Cleveland case, along with many others, may be difficult to press to a successful conclusion, experts said.

Bruce’s Beach offered a clear-cut case where a family’s historical claim to a property was well documented. The spot in question was once home to a thriving African American resort owned by Charles and Willa Bruce, who endured years of harassment from White neighbors — including threats and intimidation from the Ku Klux Klan — before the city of Manhattan Beach used eminent domain to oust them entirely. The Bruces were paid a pittance and told a park would be built on the site, but the property lay vacant until it was transferred to the state in 1948, and subsequently to Los Angeles County.

After all, there weren’t any events that took place between the 1920s and 1948 that might have slowed development of a park there.

In recent years that history has gotten more attention, and after Ward formed the group Justice for Bruce’s Beach in 2020, a county supervisor took an interest in the case, as did state officials. It still took months of advocacy to get the land back for the Bruce family, and even required a change in state law to allow L.A. County to move forward with the land transfer.

Few other cases will be so straightforward, said William A. Darity Jr., a scholar at Duke University who co-authored a book on reparations published last year.

“I just think there are thousands of these cases, and a very small percentage of them have the degree of specificity that the Bruce Beach case does where you know exactly who owned the property, how it was taken and by whom,” Darity said.

Darity pointed to examples such as the Tulsa Race Massacre of 1921, where White mobs destroyed a Black business district, killing and injuring hundreds of residents and displacing many more. It would be extremely difficult to untangle how all the properties in question changed hands, Darity said. Determining how to get the current owners to return the properties or pay compensation would create even more hurdles.

Of course, no white landowners in American history ever suffered financial setbacks due to black riots and muggings.

… Elsewhere, too, African Americans and their advocates are pressing communities to reckon with and reconcile a history of housing policies that have disproportionately harmed Black Americans. Black people are far less likely than Whites to own land and homes and the generational wealth that goes with them, and the situation has shown little sign of improvement. Black homeownership rates are hovering at their lowest levels since the passage of the Fair Housing Act in 1968, reaching 46.4 percent in the first quarter of this year compared to 75.8 percent of White families, according to census data.

“This is an important social movement that is challenging this nation to really, really think about how to right these historic wrongs,” said Emmitt Y. Riley III, associate professor of Africana studies and political science at DePauw University. “I think this starts the conversation, because no one I think can reasonably conclude that in a country that has been organized around racial inequality, that somehow Blacks were not exploited for their property.”

Riley and others questioned whether White Americans are ready to confront the issue in a serious way, even after George Floyd’s murder in 2020 and the growing public awareness of the nation’s history of racism in policing tactics and other policies.

In some cases, though, elected officials are responding to some degree.

In Minneapolis, lawmakers have passed the Minneapolis 2040 Plan, ambitious housing legislation that includes “Freeway Remediation,” a provision that acknowledges the “disparate impact” freeway construction in the city historically has had on communities of color. The plan calls for compensating Black families and descendants affected by the razing of communities of color to build highways. Similarly, officials in Lansing, Mich., are exploring the impact of Interstate 496 on the communities razed to construct it.

… Housing advocates are also targeting the harmful effects of redlining, the practice in which banks declined to lend in certain areas, often lower-income and minority neighborhoods. In Minneapolis, for example, homes in formerly redlined areas underperform the city’s \$266,500 median assessed value by 25 percent, according to data from the Mapping Prejudice Project.

Who knew that by 2021 FDR would be History’s Greatest Monster?

After the attention garnered by the Bruce family’s experience, California set up a task force to study and recommend reparations for African Americans. The two-year process is meant to address the harms of slavery and systemic racism, according to the California governor’s office.

Who can forget hearing the groans of the slaves on the cotton fields of Santa Clara County?

Los Angeles County Supervisor Janice Hahn said the economic harm done by seizing the land in the 1920s is practically incalculable.

Hahn pointed to Manhattan Beach’s affluence today. The median price of a home in the town of 35,000 residents — where African Americans make up less than 1 percent of the population — reached a record \$2.9 million in August.

Think how much wealth would be held by African Americans if Manhattan Beach were 99% black. We can look at nearby Compton to estimate.

“It’s not an exaggeration to say that they would have been millionaires if they had been able to hold on to their property and their successful business,” Hahn said. “This was an injustice inflicted not just upon Willa and Charles Bruce, but on generations of their descendants.”

After all, blacks have an extraordinary record of buy-and-hold investing, repeatedly passing up cashing in short-term gains for ready spending money to allow their great-grandchildren to make the really big scores.

Seriously, America is in trouble for just about the stupidest reason ever: we aren’t supposed to mention the truth about race. Hence, really bad ideas like this flourish in the Washington Post. Who is going to point out the facts?

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  1. Presumably, after selling the land, the Bruce family will have to repay the city the inflation-adjusted value of the eminent domain proceeds they received back in 1924?

  2. White-owned properties

    But the title example was a public park. Are government and public properties ‘white-owned’? A Freudian slip from the scribes at the Post.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
    @Altai

    Nah ...
    it is the tacit admission a lawsuit against a private owner would be laughed
    out of court even in the most extreme jurisdictions; only a public entity is
    susceptible to terror (like Jews target museums when they fancy them some artwork
    or its price tag; besides, "no one is hurt"- the Tragedy of the Commons 21.0 -
    therefore less resistance is to be expected).

    , @Tiny Duck
    @Altai

    The land was forcibly taken from the Bruce family simply because they were black. Bravo Bruce family for getting it back. Bravo California for taking on the project of reparations. Only by righting the wrongs that can be documented are we going to move beyond our shameful past. The effort to research and prove these cases is well worth it.

    Just because something is "legal and legitimate" doesn't mean it was proper. They took it and then did nothing with it, so it seems the only reason they took it was because the owners were black.

    We Dems are on greased skids heading down an ice covered mountain toward a catastrophic Midterm. Issues such as 'Defund the Police' 'CRT' 'Free College' 'Cost of living monthly paychecks' 'Climate Change' 'Cancel culture' and various demands pouring in from far left groups are scaring the hell out of the suburban women and Independents who carried Joe Biden to victory last year. See Virginia.

    I just hope the "Message" and "Messaging" around Blacks reclaiming land from Whites doesn't alienate even more voters. This hyper divided country can't agree on what day of the week it is.

    We need to take a more measured approach and introduce positive change gradually.

    Replies: @TWS, @Buffalo Joe, @Anon Anon

    , @Colin Wright
    @Altai

    'But the title example was a public park. Are government and public properties ‘white-owned’? A Freudian slip from the scribes at the Post.'

    There's nothing Freudian about it. That sort of sleight of hand is how you make a bad argument appear to work. It's called lying, really.

  3. I won’t be around, but fifty years from now I’d like to know if there will be any generational wealth extant from the Bruce Beach windfall.

    • LOL: nokangaroos
  4. They are Communists, Steve!

    We’ve seen this in recent history, from times that most readers and commenters here lived through. Do you all not remember all the calls for “land reform” from the Commies in Central/South America and in Africa? The old Communists framed it as a “class” struggle, while now it’s supposedly a racial struggle.

    Bullshit. They want to destroy traditional society and take your stuff. That’s always been the goal of Communists throughout modern history. Your land is valuable, probably due to your or your ancestors efforts. Whatever the reason, they want to be richer and for you to be poorer, so they want your property. When will people face it, so they can be prepared to do what’s necessary?! Peak Stupidity says “None dare call them Commies”.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Communists and their sympathizers don't do the bidding of the world's second richest man.

    To say that WaPo is pushing a communist agenda is one of the most absurd things ever written on this site.

    As rotten as communism is, it at least sounds somewhat good on paper. To my knowledge, no notable communists have gone on record as stating that they want the descendants of wealthy people to become a permanent underclass, to be enslaved or exterminated at will. Whereas our current ruling ideology is pretty explicit about punishing all white people* for all time based on the alleged crimes, real or imagined, committed by some white people in the past.

    *Except the wealthy

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Achmed E. Newman, @ic1000

    , @fnn
    @Achmed E. Newman

    In the 1968 campaign, George Wallace actually said that land reform would be the next item on the Democrat-Commie agenda in the US and everyone thought he was nuts. He was just ahead of his time.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @SunBakedSuburb

    , @War for Blair Mountain
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I don’t with what you wrote…..and what you wrote is also quite stupid.In Spain pre-WW2 Land Reform was a legitimate issue for the peasant class….and other places such as feudal Russia and feudal Poland…..and Wat Tyler’s Rev0lt…..and the War for Blair Mountain…

    And what’s really stupid about your franework is that the post-WW2 anti-commie crusade was a direct road to integration…onto the 1964 Civil Rights Act…1965 Immigration Reform Act was a direct consequence of 1965…onto White Genocide in 2024….

    Underlying it all is Mega-CEO power…the force that was behind Carter-Reagan Death Squad Power in Latin America. In 2022…this same corporate power has weaponized Negros against the Native White Working Class Americans….

    You might as well say Reagan was a great POTUS because his administration scaled up Carter’s death squad policy in Latin America….Reagan literally imported ms-13 in America and implemented a proto-H1B..L1 B visa program….

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Occasional lurker
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Don't lump all people who call themselves communists together (most aren't). The type of 3rd world ex-colonial "land reform" where land is expropriated to give it to private citizens hasn't anything at all todo with communism. True communists would keep large profitable productive landholdings together as collective professionally run enterprises, not split them up into tiny private subsistance farmer lots. Enriching themselves was clearly not the goal of the GDR (German Democratic Republic)'s nomenclatura, and they didn't (compared to western "elites"), any property taken was collectivized.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  5. For the ten thousandth time, can you try at least a little bit to not sound like a smartass 12 year old who doesn’t get beaten enough?

    • LOL: James N. Kennett
  6. Just finished watching Breaking Bad with my boy, born beyond its time.

    Steve, if you post three unequivocally pro-White racial posts in succession I’ll contribute \$300 to your blog.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Pat Hannagan

    '...Steve, if you post three unequivocally pro-White racial posts in succession I’ll contribute $300 to your blog.'

    Lol. This does open new frontiers in fund-raising.

    , @Mike Tre
    @Pat Hannagan

    I’ll donate $100 if he admits he was wrong about Covid in a taki column.

  7. Blacks are hyper focused on race-base reparations. Everything for the corporate
    DIE training to the 1619 project have the final goal of being about race-based reparations. If the Republicans or even the right of center was really interested in policy, they would mention this every day. But while conservatives focus on trans-swimmers or books in a school library, blacks are successfully working to bring about race-based reparations.

  8. Who knew that by 2021 FDR would be History’s Greatest Monster?

    I gotta give them credit there for being inadvertently on the right track. No, he was not the greatest monster in even American history, but possibly the 2nd worst President of the 20th century. The socialist scumbag Lyndon Johnson would of course be numero uno, but some might put Woodrow Wilson in 2nd place.

    As for redlining, go screw yourselves, whiners! Save your money for your house, open up your own banks, whatever you gotta do, but no matter what your lame-ass excuses for your race’s century and half of financial stupidity in America, you ain’t getting my stuff!

    I have STILL not calmed down from this one. Go to bed, Steve, dammit!

    [MORE]

    Great post though, Steve, with nice retorts as usual. Yes, I can imagine “Straight outta Manhattan Beach”, haha. If you gave them all the city of Manhattan Beach* tomorrow, by 2025, they’d have leached out all the value and spent that cash on bling that they’ve already let rot.

    .

    * Yes, it’s a great spot! Who wouldn’t want to live on one of those walk-streets or the Strand itself? Chrissy and Janet may just rollerblade by your front window in short shorts at any time.

    • Replies: @rebel yell
    @Achmed E. Newman

    "Ridiculous" is a relative term and therefore has no limits. In India sacred cows wander the streets of modern cities causing traffic jams. The locals worship the dumb animals and tourists find the whole thing charming. In America we have sacred blacks, and there is no limit to what we will do or tolerate for our sacred objects, as long as tax payers and lower class whites are the only ones who suffer the consequences.
    So a black family gets ocean front property worth millions free from the taxpayers while whites like Reginald Denny get nothing.

    Replies: @Escher

    , @The Alarmist
    @Achmed E. Newman


    Chrissy and Janet may just rollerblade by your front window in short shorts at any time.
     
    Sorry, but IRL, you get Mrs. Roper tanning in the buff in the back yard.
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @Achmed E. Newman

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX0cSaaLcXo

    Come and knock on my door.

    I've been waiting for you.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  9. @Achmed E. Newman
    They are Communists, Steve!

    We've seen this in recent history, from times that most readers and commenters here lived through. Do you all not remember all the calls for "land reform" from the Commies in Central/South America and in Africa? The old Communists framed it as a "class" struggle, while now it's supposedly a racial struggle.

    Bullshit. They want to destroy traditional society and take your stuff. That's always been the goal of Communists throughout modern history. Your land is valuable, probably due to your or your ancestors efforts. Whatever the reason, they want to be richer and for you to be poorer, so they want your property. When will people face it, so they can be prepared to do what's necessary?! Peak Stupidity says "None dare call them Commies".

    Replies: @AndrewR, @fnn, @War for Blair Mountain, @Occasional lurker

    Communists and their sympathizers don’t do the bidding of the world’s second richest man.

    To say that WaPo is pushing a communist agenda is one of the most absurd things ever written on this site.

    As rotten as communism is, it at least sounds somewhat good on paper. To my knowledge, no notable communists have gone on record as stating that they want the descendants of wealthy people to become a permanent underclass, to be enslaved or exterminated at will. Whereas our current ruling ideology is pretty explicit about punishing all white people* for all time based on the alleged crimes, real or imagined, committed by some white people in the past.

    *Except the wealthy

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @AndrewR

    Sorry for the late reply, Andrew. I'm sure you've read lots of more absurd things on this website. This time it may be absurd to you because you didn't read my blog post, and you still don't understand who these people are.

    I will not repeat my whole post (that's why I linked to it), but let me give you the gist of it. It's not about whether these people have read Marx and Lenin or the little Red Book of Chairman Mao. There are thousands of times more useful idiots that work "as" Communists to destroy society than there are actual believers. This has been true for every one of their long-running revolutions. As Cajun ex-Cuban Humberto Fontova said in a great interview with Stefan Molyneux, the people who went for this in Cuba 60-odd years ago, and all the other times are Los Resentidos, "The Resentful Ones".

    The people at the Washington Post are not purposefully pushing a Communist agenda, per se, but they are some of the useful idiots - actually many are more like useless idiots.

    It's all about taking your stuff, Andrew. EVERY! SINGLE! TIME!

    Replies: @James N. Kennett

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @AndrewR

    As for the rest of your comment, you are wrong on most counts.

    Who cares who they work for? The Communists of old were bankrolled by rich people too. There are usually the evil and/or stupid (hard to differentiate in the fog of history) behind the scenes. Learn about the antifa and BLM and who bankrolls and supports these groups, Andrew.

    No, they didn't go on record, because why bother, but of course there were Communists throughout history that wanted the descendants of wealthy people to become a permanent underclass, to be enslaved or exterminated at will. They didn't just WANT it, they made it happen. The #1 pros of Communist history, the Bolsheviks of Russia did this to the old aristocracy. I read a book by one Douglas Smith called Former People that gave the grim details of the lives of these people from 1917 through Stalin's time.

    Yes, the modern American Commies are explicit about punishing and exterminating White people. That's where the money is! That's who build the country, and the White middle-class in America has been a huge impediment to a quick implementation of Totalitarian rule. Of course they want to eradicate us! They are Los Resentidos.

    Any no, Communism sounds stupid on paper to anyone who learned a a damn thing during kindergarten.

    , @ic1000
    @AndrewR

    > As rotten as communism is, it at least sounds somewhat good on paper.

    Agree. Marx and Engels were smart guys, FWIW.

    > To my knowledge, no notable communists have gone on record as stating that they want the descendants of wealthy people to become a permanent underclass, to be enslaved or exterminated at will.

    Lenin. "Exterminated at will" was a core component of the Bolshevik platform. I can dig up some quotes (but you can do it yourself).

    The Khmer Rouge didn't invent, they went back to their ideological roots.

  10. My local paper just has a piece today bemoaning how a handful of growing neighborhoods are becoming more white and less minority, mostly because blacks are selling and moving out. One neighborhood the paper notes was just 2% black in 1960, then went to 87% black in 1983, and is now 50% black and dropping. I’m not a math major, but based on that data it seems that if one should be alarmed at rapidly changing demographics, the 1960-1983 period was far more damaging in terms of change than the following 38 years. Obviously we are not going to talk about that.

    Interestingly, the only negative comments are from local academics whereas the black residents are not particularly perturbed. One notes that the changes have led to some new community amenities that he likes and think will make it a better place and that he has bought up a few lots for development, and another just comments that the turnover is from short-sighted heirs of the original owners who are cashing out.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Arclight

    Arc, the Buffalo Medical Corridor in the black Fruit Belt neighborhood where blacks can now sell a house for $200k . Same house wouldn't bring you $40k six years ago. But enough about creating wealth.

  11. @Achmed E. Newman
    They are Communists, Steve!

    We've seen this in recent history, from times that most readers and commenters here lived through. Do you all not remember all the calls for "land reform" from the Commies in Central/South America and in Africa? The old Communists framed it as a "class" struggle, while now it's supposedly a racial struggle.

    Bullshit. They want to destroy traditional society and take your stuff. That's always been the goal of Communists throughout modern history. Your land is valuable, probably due to your or your ancestors efforts. Whatever the reason, they want to be richer and for you to be poorer, so they want your property. When will people face it, so they can be prepared to do what's necessary?! Peak Stupidity says "None dare call them Commies".

    Replies: @AndrewR, @fnn, @War for Blair Mountain, @Occasional lurker

    In the 1968 campaign, George Wallace actually said that land reform would be the next item on the Democrat-Commie agenda in the US and everyone thought he was nuts. He was just ahead of his time.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @fnn

    Yep, and 4 years before that my man Barry AuH20 was just as "nuts", Fnn. Had Americans not been so stupid to believe that Socialist Scumbag who gives the great State of Texas a bad name, that HE was Mr. Peacenik, we'd have staved off the destruction of this country by one, maybe two, generations.

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @fnn

    "George Wallace"

    Who survived an assassination attempt whilst running as a Dixiecrat candidate for president in 1972. His presence in the race revived the Nixon Team fear from 1968 that the conservative vote would be split, resulting in a win for pansy poet George McGovern. The would-be assassin was Arthur Bremer, another king-killer with a sketchy past, like James Earl Ray and Sirhan Sirhan. Shortly after Bremer's arrest Nixon and Charles Colson dispatched E. Howard Hunt to Milwaukee to enter Bremer's apartment and plant McGovern campaign literature. This is why I love Richard M. Nixon. The dude played serious hardball throughout his political career, and ran espionage rings with Howard Hughes operator Robert Maheu whilst playing second fiddle to Eisenhower and again as the occupant of the White House. Between 1969 and 1972 Nixon played godfather to multiple private sector espionage units composed of cops, private detectives, and ex-Hoover men, tasked to collect political intelligence. This presented an opportunity for the CIA and the Joint Chiefs to plant their own operatives amongst the Nixon crews. The generals and Richard Helms had a bit of their own king-killing in mind. They were offended by the clandestine diplomacy operation run by Kissinger at the behest of Nixon. Kissinger was ultimately an operative of the financial cartels so he was not to be touched. So Howard Hunt and CIA security officer James McCord set up the Watergate break-in which would ultimately result in Nixon's resignation two years later. My favorite president, his mind wandering back to Dallas '63 and LA '68, realized he was lucky to escape with his head intact. So he boarded the chopper and kept his silence about the system in which he was a major player until he went too far.

  12. This should start a torrent of lawsuits from interned Japanese who lost their property to tax foreclosure when they “voluntarily” moved themselves to internment camps during WW2.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @historian1944

    They probably gave up that right when they accepted the lump sum reparations package. But where there's a lawyer, there's a way.

  13. Her group is turning its attention to a tract of land in Cleveland now partly owned by the Cleveland Clinic that activists say rightfully belongs to former businessman Winston E. Willis. As with the Bruce case in California, advocates say, Willis was deprived not just of his property but also of decades of potential prosperity

    “Decades of potential prosperity” on the east side of Cleveland?

    LOL

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Dr. X

    Dr X, the Cleveland Clinic is the prosperity driver in Cleveland, largest employer and probably hires more blacks than any other business.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Dr. X


    “Decades of potential prosperity” on the east side of Cleveland?
     
    Sure. Where the Western Reserve Connecticut Yankees still live. They're not afraid of a little snow.



    https://www.weather.gov/images/cle/Climate/Snowfall/Snowcolor1819.png

    https://www.weather.gov/images/cle/Climate/Snowfall/Snowcolor1718_new.png
  14. Black people forcing the return of property that was taken from them by one means or another, often violently, over the years.

    I’d like to hear of one example of property being taken violently from blacks since the 1920’s.

    “Of course, I don’t have Jeff Bezos’s \$201.7 billion backing me up. To stay in business, I rely on you, my readers.

    Thanks to everybody who contributed to the current triennial iSteve fundraiser. I am grateful for your generosity.”

    You should forward this post to the Bruce’s. They might male a significant contribution.

  15. @Altai

    White-owned properties
     
    But the title example was a public park. Are government and public properties 'white-owned'? A Freudian slip from the scribes at the Post.

    Replies: @nokangaroos, @Tiny Duck, @Colin Wright

    Nah …
    it is the tacit admission a lawsuit against a private owner would be laughed
    out of court even in the most extreme jurisdictions; only a public entity is
    susceptible to terror (like Jews target museums when they fancy them some artwork
    or its price tag; besides, “no one is hurt”- the Tragedy of the Commons 21.0 –
    therefore less resistance is to be expected).

  16. Because we all know what a good idea it is to return public park land to private ownership. This is something that progressives especially support in keeping with their free market principles. I can’t count the number of rallies and signs that I have seen in which people in a neighborhood demand that their neighborhood park be closed and a shopping mall or apartment building be put up in its place.

    Has there ever been another case where park land, however acquired, was given back to its original owners or returned to private ownership?

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Jack D

    Hey, you come sue us ... and we'll give you stuff!


    Leftists just love to give the public's resources away. They like to claim conservatives are always giving stuff away to "big business". But conservatives tend to be much more conservative--green eye-shady with the people's tax dollars.

    The biggest thing is, of course, public employees--the massive bureaucracy--generously benefitted and pensioned, but then there's a huge business of "grants" to another of parasites--helpers and consultants and activists. And then, of course, there's the welfare state keeping a voting block on retainer. But they've ramped up a huge side business the last few decades in these phony lawsuits--both to force policy changes they want and to give away more of your tax dollars.


    Conservative ideologues have blabbed a tiny bit about "defunding the left", but they've never done much of anything to rein this in. This scam rolls on unimpeded. The Democrats shoveling trillions of dollars from the productive people to their millions--and growing--army of parasites.

    It sure would be nice if conservatives would act like they at least give a fig for about their constituents tax dollars and public amenities being looted.

    , @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Jack D


    Because we all know what a good idea it is to return public park land to private ownership. This is something that progressives especially support in keeping with their free market principles. I can’t count the number of rallies and signs that I have seen in which people in a neighborhood demand that their neighborhood park be closed and a shopping mall or apartment building be put up in its place.
     
    I can't count another situation in which a story was spun that pulled at the heart strings of well-heeled nice white ladies.

    And the kicker here is that they probably won't have to deal with a black beach resort in Manhattan Beach, because I'd bet that the beneficiaries are going to sell this piece of real estate to a developer and live a life of luxury after.
    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Jack D

    Do people really not understand that eminent domain includes the right to payment of fair market compensation by the government? That whole dumb WaPo article never mentioned that the owners were fully paid for the property in 1924.

    Invested at compound returns for a hundred years, the original payment is probably worth more than the property itself. But I am guessing the descendents didn't even have to give back the original amount. Giving away $85 million to some people just because they are black is exactly what California would do, however.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Almost Missouri, @Hypnotoad666, @International Jew

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @Jack D

    Eminent domain, known in the UK as a Compulsory Purchase Order is a process by which government can forcibly buy real estate from its owners if there is an overwhelming public interest in doing so.

    Usually this is for the purpose of building roads. Imagine how impossible it would have been to build the Interstate Highway system if individual landowners could block the proposed routes or make them loop around smallholdings with a few goats and chickens.

    However private businesses cannot use eminent domain/compulsory purchase, except perhaps if they are providing public utilities such as gas pipelines.

    Liverpool Football Club (now owned by the Fenway Sports Group) spent decades trying to expand its stadium, causing controversy by buying up many small row-houses yards from the stadium and then leaving them empty for years to try to persuade owners to sell. (Imagine your beloved family home being attached to a boarded-up rat-and-roach-infested home, separated by only a thin partition wall.)

    https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article3934712.ece/ALTERNATES/s1227b/Anfield-Demolition.jpg

    At last the demolition squad are able to move in and destroy these century-old homes to that more people can watch expensive live soccer. [Daily Mirror]

    The question about the Bruce's Beach eminent domain purchase should be whether there was a legitimate public need for the purchase at the time which was not based on racism.

    If this was actually, seen in retrospect, a racist abuse of local government powers, then it makes sense to return the land to the family descendants as a symbolic gesture of righting old wrongs.

    It is not going to affect past purchases that were done to build roads or pipelines.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Jack D

  17. Aren’t there any Bezosian server farms that are now sitting on the land of former black farms?

    There might be!

  18. African Americans have vastly lower wealth relative to income than other groups. This is due to their higher time-discounting, built into their average genetic tendencies and virtually unchangeable. This causal mechanism is unspeakable and unknowable for most people, so the Wealth/Income gap must absolutely be due to racism, and thereby someone else’s fault. Hence everyone must pay to “give them back the wealth” that they never accumulated in the first place.

    Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive. The failure to acknowledge HBD creates endless mess.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @Peter Johnson


    African Americans have vastly lower wealth relative to income than other groups.
     
    Blacks are disproportionately employed by the government and therefore have generous pensions coming their way. Any fair accounting of household wealth needs to include the actuarial value of those pensions.

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education

    , @cosMICjester
    @Peter Johnson

    They're more interested in having DUBs (large rims) on their vehicles, hanging out in strip bars (where they rarely tip servers/bartenders) & drinking Hennessy & coke then accumulating wealth.

  19. “It’s not an exaggeration to say that they would have been millionaires if they had been able to hold on to their property and their successful business,” Hahn said. “This was an injustice inflicted not just upon Willa and Charles Bruce, but on generations of their descendants.”

    Such stupidity being turned into legal and public policy–that’s your nation on minoritarianism.

    Strikes me there are truths–one factual, one moral–that conservatives must be willing to assert to stave off the end of our civilization:

    1) People are different. Individuals and groups.
    You don’t expect even the kids in your family to have the same social/economic outcomes–they are different people with different genes. The various races and ethnic groups have had thousands of years of separate gene-culture co-evolution. Expecting average outcomes to be the same is absolutely ridiculous. And blaming those differences on white people is both a lie and nasty toxic politics.

    2) All people have a fundamental right to live as they wish according to their own norms, values, culture.

    There can only be one normative public culture. A nation’s majority has no logical or moral obligation to bend and twist and tie themselves in knots to accommodate minorities. Minorities can accommodate themselves to the majority culture–adopt it and join the majority if they like–or they can separate themselves within the nation or form a separate nation.

    And the white people who created and built America have a right to continue with traditional American culture–their branch of Western Civilization–as their normative public culture. And if other people don’t like it and do not want to accommodate themselves to it, then the appropriate response is separation.

    If conservatives are unable or unwilling to assert these two fundamental ideas … then just kiss America and the West goodbye.

    • Thanks: Old Prude
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @AnotherDad


    There can only be one normative public culture
     
    I disagree with this. America has always had all sorts of crazy minorities and regional cultures that cultivated their own public culture. The normative public culture of New Orleans was never like that of Boston. The normative public culture of the Amish was unlike that of the Mormons.

    The assimiilationist idea that we all had to be the same was the product of 20th century mass culture. We all had to go to the same movies and listen to the same radio programs. Big business loved this idea because then they could sell Wheaties to every person in America instead of selling scrapple in PA and grits in Alabama and so on.

    As I have said before, Washington was more clued in to this over 200 years ago than you are now. In his letter to the Jews of Newport, he, quoting Scripture, said that in the US "every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and fig tree" and that the "Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens in giving it on all occasions their effectual support." All you needed to do was to be a good citizen. You didn't have to join the Church or give up your culture (this was more the deal the Austro-Hungarian Empire - there was no limit to how high you could rise as a Jew, but first you had to convert and become "a Hungarian", which meant that you had to be a Catholic.) In America, you could still be a Quaker or a Virginia gentleman or even a Jew and as long as you swore allegience to the flag, what you believed otherwise was none of the government's business.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @SFG, @Colin Wright, @AnotherDad, @AnotherDad, @megabar

  20. Eminent domain is overused so I am glad there is some ‘pay back’. Don’t be surprised if after this non blacks start noticing they can get their stuff back. Something might be changing in ‘the system’ as Civil Asset Forfeiture is being challenged too.

  21. just give everyone of acre of land no property taxes

  22. If anyone who lost their land or homes involuntarily through eminent domain are now entitled to reparations or the return of their land, then the sort of white people who voted for Trump are likely to be the greatest beneficiaries. This has been going on for generations, with huge numbers of people displaced. National and state Parks, military bases, and dams have displaced thousands over the years, often with compensation that pales in comparison with what the land is worth today. The establishment of the Tennessee Valley Authority, for example, resulted in the displacement of at least 125,000 people across the South in order to construct dams and power plants, in some cases resulting in entire towns being destroyed.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Indiana Jack

    ‘…. If anyone who lost their land or homes involuntarily through eminent domain are now entitled to reparations or the return of their land, then the sort of white people who voted for Trump are likely to be the greatest beneficiaries.…..’

    Imagine how much the land of Camp Pendleton in SoCal is now worth

  23. @Jack D
    Because we all know what a good idea it is to return public park land to private ownership. This is something that progressives especially support in keeping with their free market principles. I can't count the number of rallies and signs that I have seen in which people in a neighborhood demand that their neighborhood park be closed and a shopping mall or apartment building be put up in its place.

    Has there ever been another case where park land, however acquired, was given back to its original owners or returned to private ownership?

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Hypnotoad666, @Jonathan Mason

    Hey, you come sue us … and we’ll give you stuff!

    Leftists just love to give the public’s resources away. They like to claim conservatives are always giving stuff away to “big business”. But conservatives tend to be much more conservative–green eye-shady with the people’s tax dollars.

    The biggest thing is, of course, public employees–the massive bureaucracy–generously benefitted and pensioned, but then there’s a huge business of “grants” to another of parasites–helpers and consultants and activists. And then, of course, there’s the welfare state keeping a voting block on retainer. But they’ve ramped up a huge side business the last few decades in these phony lawsuits–both to force policy changes they want and to give away more of your tax dollars.

    Conservative ideologues have blabbed a tiny bit about “defunding the left”, but they’ve never done much of anything to rein this in. This scam rolls on unimpeded. The Democrats shoveling trillions of dollars from the productive people to their millions–and growing–army of parasites.

    It sure would be nice if conservatives would act like they at least give a fig for about their constituents tax dollars and public amenities being looted.

    • Agree: Old Prude, HammerJack
  24. @Altai

    White-owned properties
     
    But the title example was a public park. Are government and public properties 'white-owned'? A Freudian slip from the scribes at the Post.

    Replies: @nokangaroos, @Tiny Duck, @Colin Wright

    The land was forcibly taken from the Bruce family simply because they were black. Bravo Bruce family for getting it back. Bravo California for taking on the project of reparations. Only by righting the wrongs that can be documented are we going to move beyond our shameful past. The effort to research and prove these cases is well worth it.

    Just because something is “legal and legitimate” doesn’t mean it was proper. They took it and then did nothing with it, so it seems the only reason they took it was because the owners were black.

    We Dems are on greased skids heading down an ice covered mountain toward a catastrophic Midterm. Issues such as ‘Defund the Police’ ‘CRT’ ‘Free College’ ‘Cost of living monthly paychecks’ ‘Climate Change’ ‘Cancel culture’ and various demands pouring in from far left groups are scaring the hell out of the suburban women and Independents who carried Joe Biden to victory last year. See Virginia.

    I just hope the “Message” and “Messaging” around Blacks reclaiming land from Whites doesn’t alienate even more voters. This hyper divided country can’t agree on what day of the week it is.

    We need to take a more measured approach and introduce positive change gradually.

    • LOL: Hangnail Hans
    • Replies: @TWS
    @Tiny Duck

    Someone needs to check on the Duck. I'm worried some imposter has taken his account.

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Tiny Duck

    TD, who the fuck forced you to write this? Blink twice if you are being held captive.

    , @Anon Anon
    @Tiny Duck

    Do you have an addiction to being wrong?

  25. @Achmed E. Newman
    They are Communists, Steve!

    We've seen this in recent history, from times that most readers and commenters here lived through. Do you all not remember all the calls for "land reform" from the Commies in Central/South America and in Africa? The old Communists framed it as a "class" struggle, while now it's supposedly a racial struggle.

    Bullshit. They want to destroy traditional society and take your stuff. That's always been the goal of Communists throughout modern history. Your land is valuable, probably due to your or your ancestors efforts. Whatever the reason, they want to be richer and for you to be poorer, so they want your property. When will people face it, so they can be prepared to do what's necessary?! Peak Stupidity says "None dare call them Commies".

    Replies: @AndrewR, @fnn, @War for Blair Mountain, @Occasional lurker

    I don’t with what you wrote…..and what you wrote is also quite stupid.In Spain pre-WW2 Land Reform was a legitimate issue for the peasant class….and other places such as feudal Russia and feudal Poland…..and Wat Tyler’s Rev0lt…..and the War for Blair Mountain…

    And what’s really stupid about your franework is that the post-WW2 anti-commie crusade was a direct road to integration…onto the 1964 Civil Rights Act…1965 Immigration Reform Act was a direct consequence of 1965…onto White Genocide in 2024….

    Underlying it all is Mega-CEO power…the force that was behind Carter-Reagan Death Squad Power in Latin America. In 2022…this same corporate power has weaponized Negros against the Native White Working Class Americans….

    You might as well say Reagan was a great POTUS because his administration scaled up Carter’s death squad policy in Latin America….Reagan literally imported ms-13 in America and implemented a proto-H1B..L1 B visa program….

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @War for Blair Mountain

    Complete bullshit. You know little tiny bits of history but don't get any big picture.

    Oh, 2 things happened at the same time (integration and the Cold War), so of course they are related. Idiocy! Please don't waste my time writing back again. You and Corvinus can be my 2 "must-skip"s.

    Replies: @War for Blair Mountain

  26. We need a global “Bethlehem Movement.” Everyone needs to return to their ancestral homelands for a census. Even the ones who hiked across the Bering Straits.

  27. Seems like there’s a world of difference between using eminent domain to take a black beach resort and then not build a park compared to taking the least valuable property in an area, which would happen to be a black neighborhood, and actually building a highway.

    Finding a single great example of specific people receiving specific harm from the government isn’t going to be that generalizable.

  28. The only way to give land to blacks, or to Indians, is to not really give it to them. Because if they own the full bundle of rights them they can encumber it with liabilities. And they will.

    So, the land is put into some kind of trust like a reservation.

    Yeah that’ll work.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
    @Carol

    A major part of land reform has always been making it non-tradable
    and non-mortgagable (-> Reichserbhofgesetz), which would have the added
    benefit of doing away with black "farmers".
    Of course this directly contravenes the American Way where land is a
    commodity like any other (hint: no) and being in hock to the banks is
    strongly incentivized.
    Ask any farmer how ruinous that is.

  29. So, when these black families get their piece of the pie, do all of the baby-mommas get they cut of the stash?
    All the baby-daddies too?

  30. Very soon….The Democratic Party will normalize talk about chattel slavery for Working Class White Males….Working Class White Males are just going to slip into chattel slavery….The White Males in Arrowhead Stadium cheering on the Negro just don’t see it coming…but it is surely coming….

  31. @isteve, please comment
    Scientific test proposal,
    maybe it has been done?

    Compare lottery winners, by race.

    Check for development of net worth, of income, over the following years.

    Null Hypothesis:
    Blacks behave the same as Whites and Asians

    Prediction:
    Blacks losing all their money is very prevalent, i.e. after 10 years the usual wealth gap can be found between the races’ lottery winers

    Next project:
    repeat for rich athletes. Check if net worth and income are the same for Blacks and Whites

  32. @Jack D
    Because we all know what a good idea it is to return public park land to private ownership. This is something that progressives especially support in keeping with their free market principles. I can't count the number of rallies and signs that I have seen in which people in a neighborhood demand that their neighborhood park be closed and a shopping mall or apartment building be put up in its place.

    Has there ever been another case where park land, however acquired, was given back to its original owners or returned to private ownership?

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Hypnotoad666, @Jonathan Mason

    Because we all know what a good idea it is to return public park land to private ownership. This is something that progressives especially support in keeping with their free market principles. I can’t count the number of rallies and signs that I have seen in which people in a neighborhood demand that their neighborhood park be closed and a shopping mall or apartment building be put up in its place.

    I can’t count another situation in which a story was spun that pulled at the heart strings of well-heeled nice white ladies.

    And the kicker here is that they probably won’t have to deal with a black beach resort in Manhattan Beach, because I’d bet that the beneficiaries are going to sell this piece of real estate to a developer and live a life of luxury after.

  33. The usual junk coming out of the Wa Po. However some good news comes out of the Wa Po today also – Fred Hiatt, neocon’s neocon, has expired.

  34. > Of course, no white landowners in American history ever suffered financial setbacks due to black riots and muggings.

    That was Steve’s comment about the WaPo reporters’ antiquarian bemoanings concerning property transfers in Los Angeles, Cleveland, and Tulsa.

    In this regard, Rust Belt City has its own sorry history. When it comes up in conversation, I nudge people to think more deeply about the accepted black-centric rhyme (white flight) by using the counterpart working-class-white-oriented term, “ethnic cleansing.”

    Dismayed eye contact often follows. But nobody has ever asked, “What do you mean?”

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @ic1000


    Dismayed eye contact often follows. But nobody has ever asked, “What do you mean?”
     
    Because they know what you mean, that's why. You mean that you're a nazi, and your invitation to the next soirée will somehow get lost in the mail.
  35. Of course, no white landowners in American history ever suffered financial setbacks due to black riots and muggings.

    Here’s the difference; Blacks have no agency, so damage from Black rioting is just Force Majeure and nobody is at fault. It’s as if the San Andreas fault slipped and a quake followed. There are of course Black Seismology depts. at noted universities that try to predict these Blaquakes but the legacy of Slavery and structural racism have deprived them of adequate funding so their predictive output is not entirely up to snuff. Nevertheless,Black Seismology has established a strong correlation between the deaths of various Black aspiring Rap stars and Blaquakes. There appears to be a ‘reverse Jesus effect’ or perhaps a ‘Black Jesus ‘ effect but it requires further study. There is also an analogue of Heisinger’s Uncertainty Principle, where the observation/participation of Black academics changes the severity of the Blaquake which confounds matters further. But I digress…

    This is emphatically not the case with White rioting , as Whites have agency to spare! They have so much surplus agency that they are responsible for things others did as well. Not only that, but in a poorly understood temporal phenomenon, their responsibility grows with temporal distance . Hence for example , the redlining of 80 years ago is much more significant than anything that happened last year.
    I hope that clears matters up.

    • LOL: Old Prude, Cortes
    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    @kaganovitch

    The World's Foremost Authority couldn't have said it any better.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CsdRGbQPr0

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    , @Classy Classicist
    @kaganovitch

    As cogent and compelling as your hypothesis would appear to be, I have to question how original it is. Have you not, in essence, merely repackaged some of the most basic and fundamental ideas from leading thinkers in critical race theory (CRT) and related intellectual schools within the racial justice milieu? Would it be too cynical to suspect you of plagiarism? Do you even have any legitimate Woke or antiwhite antiracist credentials?

    Replies: @kaganovitch

  36. … Elsewhere, too, African Americans and their advocates are pressing communities to reckon with and reconcile a history of housing policies that have disproportionately harmed Black Americans. Black people are far less likely than Whites to own land and homes and the generational wealth that goes with them, and the situation has shown little sign of improvement.

    In the net, the United States has been a gigantic funnel of prosperity and wealth from whitesto black people.

    Beyond simply being the timeline in which i exist (pretty important to me!) I derive some modest economic benefit from my ancestors having left Ireland, England, Germany and Scotland and making their life and living in the US. The US is a modest prosperity bump relative to Western Europe.

    For blacks it is a gigantic–over an order of magnitude!–prosperity bump. Living in a white built and run nation instead of Africa, getting their standard of living raised to that which flows from white people’s general productivity–and law abidingness–is absolute huge!

    ~~

    Again–it’s long past time for being polite about the minoritarian lying, the blood–and economic–libels–directed again and again and again against us deplorable white gentiles.

    We–my people–created the American prosperity that minorities enjoy. Not the other way around. America is nice because we are nice–productive, conscientious, hard-working, high-trust and civic minded.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @AnotherDad


    America is nice because we are nice–productive, conscientious, hard-working, high-trust and civic minded.
     
    You’re (intentionally?) missing a, perhaps the major component: We can be massively and effectively violent when need be (and sometimes ‘at whim’). All that “American prosperity” you praise is due in large part to conquest, dominance, and resistance by White American ancestors. That overwhelming kinetic spirit and action may come to the fore again, sooner than you think.

    Are you merely a “nice” man, AD?

    , @Jack D
    @AnotherDad


    we are nice–productive, conscientious, hard-working, high-trust and civic minded.
     
    Which one of those adjectives applied when they put Africans in chains and shipped them across the ocean to be a class of hereditary slaves?

    Replies: @74v56ruthiyj

  37. Only lawyers will benefit.

    • Disagree: Hangnail Hans
  38. OT

    Yes, Sabermetrics Ruined Baseball
    statheads can roll their eyes, but the game is unwatchable now — Freddie deBoer

    https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/yes-sabermetrics-ruined-baseball

  39. anon[276] • Disclaimer says:

    C’mon, Steve. The DIE stuff is bullshit, but one can acknowledge individual instances of clear injustice where they exist. 1920s Manhattan Beach bigwigs evidently didn’t want the blacks around, so they used a pretext to seize their land. That’s messed up.

    >After all, there weren’t any events that took place between the 1920s and 1948 that might have slowed development of a park there.

    But it was 24 years! Donchaknow, zero parks were built in the state of California between the years of 1924-1948? That’s We Wuz Kangz level delusion.

    It’s disingenuous to suggest Great Depression prevented construction of some park infrastructure (of what? some sidewalks, pavilions, picnic tables, and water/bathrooms?). It’s a perfect WPA project; plenty of “non-essential” infrastructure build-out in those years.

    If this inchoate movement is circumscribed to the direct beneficiaries of eminent domain, I for one won’t be shedding any tears.

  40. The article discussed in the OP has a lot to do with rooting for your NFL team.

    Steve has pointed out that fans get a psychological boost when their their team wins. Cheering, talking, demonstrating add to civic pride and give strangers something to share with one another.

    As one of the dying breed of civic nationalists, I’m fine with that.

    The Washington Post is fostering something different. “Us” isn’t residents of Manhattan Beach, or Angelenos, or citizens of California. It’s Black people. More than that, it’s a few dozen Black people: the direct descendants of Charles Bruce in Manhattan Beach, of Winston Willis in Cleveland, of owners of burned-out businesses in Tulsa.

    Strangers in my racial group win at the expense of the citizenry, and I celebrate. Because “my team” is my racial group.

    What if leaders and public intellectuals of privileged racial groups were to take the next logical step and start demanding — and celebrating — declines in the fortunes of other racial and ethnic groups?

    There aren’t any civic nationalists in prisons. I’m not so sure that WaPo reporters Erica Werner and Troy McMullen are doing any great favor for their favorite racial minority, when they push people like me to think like inmates — pick a team that will have you, if you want a future for your family.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @ic1000


    Strangers in my racial group win at the expense of the citizenry, and I celebrate. Because “my team” is my racial group.
     
    I don't think this is in any way new for blacks - lots of them think this way and have for a while. Otherwise, why would they have erupted in ecstasis when O.J. Simpson was acquitted?

    The difference is that now the mainstream sense-making institutions in the United States (press, academy, legal institutions) and elsewhere are framing these events as morality tales and explicitly encouraging this view as legitimate - and the only legitimate view - among blacks.
  41. Have there been updates? Because the last I read:
    1. They aren’t getting the whole park, they are getting the two ocean front lots the Bruce’s originally owned. Total area about 10,000 square feet, market value about \$15-20M more or less. The rest of the area seized by eminent domain is around 2 acres, and originally would have contained about 30 lots. Most of those were owned by White families, reportedly there were also more Black families, but so far none of their descendants have come forward to stake claims to have the property returned. The whole park would be worth maybe \$100-150M.
    2. So far, the bill provided an exemption to State law that forbids the transfer, sale, trade or gift of public lands to private owners so that LA County can give the land back. Also the bill sets the property taxation value to what it would be if the land was covered by Prop 13, and finally, for one transaction forgives California capital gains taxes if eventually the heirs sell the property.
    3.The next step is to determine exactly who all the heirs are. The seizure was 100 years ago and there are almost certainly more descendants of the Bruces than the couple filing the original action. The loot may have to get split a lot of ways after that many generations. If so there could be cross litigation over splitting the swag that would go on for years and end like some of those cases where lawyers consume the whole thing in fees.
    4. The two lots more or less overlay the County Lifeguard headquarters. There may have to be a swap for adjacent ocean front park land. Or perhaps the heirs take title to the headquarters and lease the back to the County. However that means no instant payout to the heirs and their lawyers.
    5. The heir’s lawyers have made some noises that the land return isn’t enough. As Steve points out the heirs think that by now they would have been scions of a financial empire of the size depicted in Empire, and are hinting an eight or nine digit cash settlement would be appropriate along with the land.

    • Replies: @Hangnail Hans
    @Alfa158


    The loot may have to get split a lot of ways after that many generations.
     
    Indeed. I propose DNA testing (dig up dem ol' bones!) because I have this idea that there are many, many unacknowledged chidrens and grandchidrens who may have legitimate claims. Which means at least one thing about them will be legitimate.

    So it's not just greed causing the heirs to seek a mega-millions payout in addition to the settlement. It's also foreplanning. And you racists keep saying they don't even do that. Shame shame.

    , @Ben tillman
    @Alfa158

    Think of all the paternity issues that may have to be resolved. Lol!

    It could indeed turn out like Bleak House.

    Replies: @Alfa158

  42. This might be an excellent move by the dems. What could possibly wake up more suburban Whites than the prospect of losing the equity in their houses? It’s easy to let poor Whites be forced to go to school with and live among the colored folks, but when you start touching proudly democrat Whites net worth, we might have a chance at saving the country. I’m waiting for the next economic downturn for more Whites to take a good look at affirmative action programs and start getting angry when their kids lose school slots and jobs because of the job set asides for unqualified blacks.

    And this new term “Tulsa Race Massacre” is getting on my nerves. There was a battle between Whites and blacks, and Whitey won. And as usual, Whitey was magnanimous in victory and didn’t massacre anyone. These guys change history more than Big Brother.

    • Replies: @Anon Anon
    @Rich

    Reality is only real to them if they think it supports their BS, it doesn't matter all contemporary documents tell a story fairly different from the ones they are trying to tell you. It doesn't matter all of the jewish/black narratives from the time are self evidently bullshit that lack anykind of physical evidence and most of the time aren't even repeated today in full because they fuck up modern narratives. Its a massacre where the side they say was massacred started the killing and kept shooting the entire time, and hundreds died despite there being no physical evidence for this assertion and if the search for evidence of this ludicrous claim comes up short then they will just dig up the blacks the people they are claiming are liars said died and act like that proves their bullshit narratives somehow aren't bullshit.

    And the funny thing is that not even all of the destroyed businesses and property where actually black owned, a large portion was White owned as this "black wallstreet" was a business district in a big oiltown where most business was conducted by Whites who set up the industries that where the source of the towns wealth.

  43. Who can forget hearing the groans of the slaves on the cotton fields of Santa Clara County?

    So you are in favor of “reparations” paid to blacks by Southerners and Southern states?

  44. Kudos for making a clear distinction between demanding support by shrill legal means and earning it through a humorously ironic comparison. Making nearly half of this article a pledge drive was what the kids call “a genius move.”

  45. What about land compensation for the Palestinians? It’s time for the Israelis to own up.

  46. @kaganovitch
    Of course, no white landowners in American history ever suffered financial setbacks due to black riots and muggings.

    Here's the difference; Blacks have no agency, so damage from Black rioting is just Force Majeure and nobody is at fault. It's as if the San Andreas fault slipped and a quake followed. There are of course Black Seismology depts. at noted universities that try to predict these Blaquakes but the legacy of Slavery and structural racism have deprived them of adequate funding so their predictive output is not entirely up to snuff. Nevertheless,Black Seismology has established a strong correlation between the deaths of various Black aspiring Rap stars and Blaquakes. There appears to be a 'reverse Jesus effect' or perhaps a 'Black Jesus ' effect but it requires further study. There is also an analogue of Heisinger's Uncertainty Principle, where the observation/participation of Black academics changes the severity of the Blaquake which confounds matters further. But I digress...

    This is emphatically not the case with White rioting , as Whites have agency to spare! They have so much surplus agency that they are responsible for things others did as well. Not only that, but in a poorly understood temporal phenomenon, their responsibility grows with temporal distance . Hence for example , the redlining of 80 years ago is much more significant than anything that happened last year.
    I hope that clears matters up.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy, @Classy Classicist

    The World’s Foremost Authority couldn’t have said it any better.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Gary in Gramercy

    That's a great clip, thanks.

  47. No reparations without separations.

  48. Of course, no white landowners in American history ever suffered financial setbacks due to black riots and muggings.

    Boy is that a “conversation” that minoritarians do not want to have.

    For white people–who are quite capable on their own–minorities are not a benefit but a cost.

    And black people–for any civilized society–are a giant cost center for any civilized society. The costs white people have incurred managing and fleeing from black dysfunction absolutely immense. And that’s not even getting into the cost to our politics.

    Count me among those really sick of hearing this bleating about their “oppression”.

    If it’s so bad … let’s try separation. Somehow i don’t fear it.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
    • Thanks: TruthRevolution.net
    • Replies: @Old Prude
    @AnotherDad

    You're on a roll, A.D. consider this a blanket "Agree" to all related comments.

  49. If we can prescind from the blackety-blackety-black angle for a moment, this might be a good time to discuss that eminent domain has always been rife with abuses. It’s not a good thing to have around.

    • Agree: Boomthorkell
    • Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @Intelligent Dasein


    If we can prescind from the blackety-blackety-black angle for a moment, this might be a good time to discuss that eminent domain has always been rife with abuses. It’s not a good thing to have around.
     
    You wouldn't want to live in a world without it. There would be virtually no new development if the government had to negotiate a sale price with everyone along the path of a new road, street, or highway. And without new roads, streets, and highways, no one is going to build new housing (how would you get to and from your new home?).

    If you see abuses, they should be remedied. But the government absolutely must be able to take property for public use with just compensation.

    Replies: @Boomthorkell

  50. @ic1000
    The article discussed in the OP has a lot to do with rooting for your NFL team.

    Steve has pointed out that fans get a psychological boost when their their team wins. Cheering, talking, demonstrating add to civic pride and give strangers something to share with one another.

    As one of the dying breed of civic nationalists, I'm fine with that.

    The Washington Post is fostering something different. "Us" isn't residents of Manhattan Beach, or Angelenos, or citizens of California. It's Black people. More than that, it's a few dozen Black people: the direct descendants of Charles Bruce in Manhattan Beach, of Winston Willis in Cleveland, of owners of burned-out businesses in Tulsa.

    Strangers in my racial group win at the expense of the citizenry, and I celebrate. Because "my team" is my racial group.

    What if leaders and public intellectuals of privileged racial groups were to take the next logical step and start demanding -- and celebrating -- declines in the fortunes of other racial and ethnic groups?

    There aren't any civic nationalists in prisons. I'm not so sure that WaPo reporters Erica Werner and Troy McMullen are doing any great favor for their favorite racial minority, when they push people like me to think like inmates -- pick a team that will have you, if you want a future for your family.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Strangers in my racial group win at the expense of the citizenry, and I celebrate. Because “my team” is my racial group.

    I don’t think this is in any way new for blacks – lots of them think this way and have for a while. Otherwise, why would they have erupted in ecstasis when O.J. Simpson was acquitted?

    The difference is that now the mainstream sense-making institutions in the United States (press, academy, legal institutions) and elsewhere are framing these events as morality tales and explicitly encouraging this view as legitimate – and the only legitimate view – among blacks.

    • Agree: ic1000
  51. What’s the situation over there homeless-encampmentwise?

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    @International Jew

    Pretty much aren’t any. Individual homeless are permitted to wander about for themselves for a while as long as they remain in motion and don’t congregate. The former site at an old railroad underpass that had people sleeping overnight has been improved and developed so it’s gone. Not sure how they do it except maybe the police have time to pick people up and deliver them to shelters, so they have no legal excuse to hang around. Also I notice you never see the shopping carts homeless use. Any shopping cart is stolen property so I speculate the cops use that to arrest homeless people and therefore they tend to stay out of the city. The homeless you see are mostly day commuters from neighboring towns.
    Native crime rate is minuscule so the well-funded police have bandwidth to respond quickly to any crime or potential crime. In many cases when there is a robbery or burglary, the police are right there and make arrests at a much higher rate than most jurisdictions. You also need to make sure your alarm system is in good working order. If it malfunctions and goes off the cops are at your door in five minutes. If they make it to your house before you can cancel the call and it was a false alarm they write it up. You get one free false alarm a year then you pay for subsequent ones.
    The city is now considering its own district attorney so it can prosecute criminals that would otherwise be caught and released under County DA Gascon. Even the most liberal “in this house we believe” homeowner wants security for their $2.9M modest sized home.

  52. OT but of interest, on what Alden thinks, probably correctly, is our favourite topic. The writer is a 40-something US woman comic, best known in her native Ireland for a Candid Camera-style “Bridezilla” act where she (in wedding dress) asks (doubtless carefully chosen) Irish randoms to marry her.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/dec/08/christmas-wish-nobody-comments-my-body

    The article is because she’s lost weight (she seems to go up and down), and ostensibly hates that people notice and comment on it. But it’s this bit that I noticed.

    Last week at the comedian Jacqueline Novak’s one-woman show ‘Get On Your Knees’, I felt the audience roll back with a massive wave of resonant laughter when she said, “The female form is its own burden, a sack of sex potatoes you can’t leave home without.” Novak went on, “You owe an explanation for, ‘no taters for sale, tonight!’ – a question in the air: why would you bring those out if you didn’t bring enough for the class?

    I’d have laughed too (though how many women in good health think of their body as a burden?), every woman’s body and face is indeed up for appraisal overtly or covertly. But that’s because we are chained to the village idiot. We’re victims too 😉

    This system seems to have worked for the last few million years, in that we are still here. Maeve Higgins is 40 and childless.

  53. There was an interesting article in Mother Jones recently that turns all the redlining arguments on their head.

    It seems that the difference between black and white home wealth is entirely dependent on short sales and foreclosures.

    If one only looks at those homeowners who did NOT go through short sales and foreclosures, it seems that:

    1. Black homeowners have seen an equal amount of increase in home value as white homeowners

    2. Hispanic homeowners have seen a greater increase in home value than have white homeowners

    Think about it for a while.

    Many white homeowners are in rural areas which have seen declining values. As are many rural blacks.

    Many urban black homeowners are in areas which are being gentrified. Thus the value goes way up. Think of the Prospect Park area in Brooklyn. Steve can come up with similar areas in LA.

    As for Hispanics— not sure what is going on.
    Part of it may be Hispanics taking over formerly black neighborhoods.
    Part of it may be neighborhoods with Hispanics being flooded with immigrants who drive up the housing costs.

    • Replies: @Hangnail Hans
    @Paleo Liberal


    It seems that the difference between black and white home wealth is entirely dependent on...
     
    I notice that every single explanation trotted out is preceded by this phrase. In the end, the disparity has been accounted for a dozen times over, or more.

    In the end (and it will never end) this is why the total amount owing must be infinite. Or, to make it comprehensible to the beneficiaries, eleventy hunned gabillions.

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Paleo Liberal

    Thanks. I've been saying the same thing here for several years.

    It's almost impossible for blacks to lose money in the real estate market because prices in black districts are already at worst-case-scenario levels, so there is only upside. That upside might never come, but then that happens to plenty of non-blacks too.

    Who lost money on their real estate when the prices went to worst-case-scenario levels? Whites, usually.

    Who caused the prices to go to worst-case scenario levels? Blacks, usually.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

  54. @Altai

    White-owned properties
     
    But the title example was a public park. Are government and public properties 'white-owned'? A Freudian slip from the scribes at the Post.

    Replies: @nokangaroos, @Tiny Duck, @Colin Wright

    ‘But the title example was a public park. Are government and public properties ‘white-owned’? A Freudian slip from the scribes at the Post.’

    There’s nothing Freudian about it. That sort of sleight of hand is how you make a bad argument appear to work. It’s called lying, really.

  55. @Achmed E. Newman

    Who knew that by 2021 FDR would be History’s Greatest Monster?
     
    I gotta give them credit there for being inadvertently on the right track. No, he was not the greatest monster in even American history, but possibly the 2nd worst President of the 20th century. The socialist scumbag Lyndon Johnson would of course be numero uno, but some might put Woodrow Wilson in 2nd place.

    As for redlining, go screw yourselves, whiners! Save your money for your house, open up your own banks, whatever you gotta do, but no matter what your lame-ass excuses for your race's century and half of financial stupidity in America, you ain't getting my stuff!

    I have STILL not calmed down from this one. Go to bed, Steve, dammit!

    Great post though, Steve, with nice retorts as usual. Yes, I can imagine "Straight outta Manhattan Beach", haha. If you gave them all the city of Manhattan Beach* tomorrow, by 2025, they'd have leached out all the value and spent that cash on bling that they've already let rot.

    .

    * Yes, it's a great spot! Who wouldn't want to live on one of those walk-streets or the Strand itself? Chrissy and Janet may just rollerblade by your front window in short shorts at any time.

    Replies: @rebel yell, @The Alarmist, @JohnnyWalker123

    “Ridiculous” is a relative term and therefore has no limits. In India sacred cows wander the streets of modern cities causing traffic jams. The locals worship the dumb animals and tourists find the whole thing charming. In America we have sacred blacks, and there is no limit to what we will do or tolerate for our sacred objects, as long as tax payers and lower class whites are the only ones who suffer the consequences.
    So a black family gets ocean front property worth millions free from the taxpayers while whites like Reginald Denny get nothing.

    • Replies: @Escher
    @rebel yell

    At least some of the cows can be milked.
    In America the blacks are the ones doing the milking.

  56. Who knew that by 2021 FDR would be History’s Greatest Monster?

    It’s time to return Liberty to the dime.

    It took 43 years to get Lincoln on the penny. FDR was on his coin in nine months.

  57. @Achmed E. Newman
    They are Communists, Steve!

    We've seen this in recent history, from times that most readers and commenters here lived through. Do you all not remember all the calls for "land reform" from the Commies in Central/South America and in Africa? The old Communists framed it as a "class" struggle, while now it's supposedly a racial struggle.

    Bullshit. They want to destroy traditional society and take your stuff. That's always been the goal of Communists throughout modern history. Your land is valuable, probably due to your or your ancestors efforts. Whatever the reason, they want to be richer and for you to be poorer, so they want your property. When will people face it, so they can be prepared to do what's necessary?! Peak Stupidity says "None dare call them Commies".

    Replies: @AndrewR, @fnn, @War for Blair Mountain, @Occasional lurker

    Don’t lump all people who call themselves communists together (most aren’t). The type of 3rd world ex-colonial “land reform” where land is expropriated to give it to private citizens hasn’t anything at all todo with communism. True communists would keep large profitable productive landholdings together as collective professionally run enterprises, not split them up into tiny private subsistance farmer lots. Enriching themselves was clearly not the goal of the GDR (German Democratic Republic)’s nomenclatura, and they didn’t (compared to western “elites”), any property taken was collectivized.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Occasional lurker

    O.L, these people pushing for the confiscation of the White man's property DON'T call themselves Communists, though. There are no true Communists who actually DO anything. The true Communists are the ones who pound their fists on the table at the Vienna and Berkeley coffee hauses, and occasionally get to rule until things fall completely freaking apart economically.

    It doesn't work see, but it's much to late to repair the societies that they've destroyed once they learn this (if ever).

  58. @kaganovitch
    Of course, no white landowners in American history ever suffered financial setbacks due to black riots and muggings.

    Here's the difference; Blacks have no agency, so damage from Black rioting is just Force Majeure and nobody is at fault. It's as if the San Andreas fault slipped and a quake followed. There are of course Black Seismology depts. at noted universities that try to predict these Blaquakes but the legacy of Slavery and structural racism have deprived them of adequate funding so their predictive output is not entirely up to snuff. Nevertheless,Black Seismology has established a strong correlation between the deaths of various Black aspiring Rap stars and Blaquakes. There appears to be a 'reverse Jesus effect' or perhaps a 'Black Jesus ' effect but it requires further study. There is also an analogue of Heisinger's Uncertainty Principle, where the observation/participation of Black academics changes the severity of the Blaquake which confounds matters further. But I digress...

    This is emphatically not the case with White rioting , as Whites have agency to spare! They have so much surplus agency that they are responsible for things others did as well. Not only that, but in a poorly understood temporal phenomenon, their responsibility grows with temporal distance . Hence for example , the redlining of 80 years ago is much more significant than anything that happened last year.
    I hope that clears matters up.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy, @Classy Classicist

    As cogent and compelling as your hypothesis would appear to be, I have to question how original it is. Have you not, in essence, merely repackaged some of the most basic and fundamental ideas from leading thinkers in critical race theory (CRT) and related intellectual schools within the racial justice milieu? Would it be too cynical to suspect you of plagiarism? Do you even have any legitimate Woke or antiwhite antiracist credentials?

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Classy Classicist

    You are absolutely right. I'm guilty of centering whiteness. I hereby undertake to do better as an ally and center the BIPOX experience. I also acknowledge that BIPOX people and particularly BIPOX women of a certain weight are staggering under the burden of Emotional Labor they have to do on behalf of White shirkers and malingerers. Did I not fear centering my white guilt and compounding my many sins , I would beat my breast accompanied by much wailing and gnashing of teeth and proclaim "Mea Culpa, Mea MaximaCulpa!". But I do, so I'll defer silently to my betters.


    P.S. pro tip - real wokesters don't use 'plagiarism'. Plagiarism is what they tried to bring down MLK with. It should be avoided (not the act of course, just the word). The woke-acceptable word is 'appropriation'. It may be modified with 'colonialist' or similar words at your discretion.

  59. @ic1000
    > Of course, no white landowners in American history ever suffered financial setbacks due to black riots and muggings.

    That was Steve's comment about the WaPo reporters' antiquarian bemoanings concerning property transfers in Los Angeles, Cleveland, and Tulsa.

    In this regard, Rust Belt City has its own sorry history. When it comes up in conversation, I nudge people to think more deeply about the accepted black-centric rhyme (white flight) by using the counterpart working-class-white-oriented term, "ethnic cleansing."

    Dismayed eye contact often follows. But nobody has ever asked, "What do you mean?"

    Replies: @HammerJack

    Dismayed eye contact often follows. But nobody has ever asked, “What do you mean?”

    Because they know what you mean, that’s why. You mean that you’re a nazi, and your invitation to the next soirée will somehow get lost in the mail.

  60. @AnotherDad

    Of course, no white landowners in American history ever suffered financial setbacks due to black riots and muggings.
     
    Boy is that a "conversation" that minoritarians do not want to have.

    For white people--who are quite capable on their own--minorities are not a benefit but a cost.

    And black people--for any civilized society--are a giant cost center for any civilized society. The costs white people have incurred managing and fleeing from black dysfunction absolutely immense. And that's not even getting into the cost to our politics.


    Count me among those really sick of hearing this bleating about their "oppression".

    If it's so bad ... let's try separation. Somehow i don't fear it.

    Replies: @Old Prude

    You’re on a roll, A.D. consider this a blanket “Agree” to all related comments.

  61. Owning property is a white idea.

  62. @Alfa158
    Have there been updates? Because the last I read:
    1. They aren’t getting the whole park, they are getting the two ocean front lots the Bruce’s originally owned. Total area about 10,000 square feet, market value about $15-20M more or less. The rest of the area seized by eminent domain is around 2 acres, and originally would have contained about 30 lots. Most of those were owned by White families, reportedly there were also more Black families, but so far none of their descendants have come forward to stake claims to have the property returned. The whole park would be worth maybe $100-150M.
    2. So far, the bill provided an exemption to State law that forbids the transfer, sale, trade or gift of public lands to private owners so that LA County can give the land back. Also the bill sets the property taxation value to what it would be if the land was covered by Prop 13, and finally, for one transaction forgives California capital gains taxes if eventually the heirs sell the property.
    3.The next step is to determine exactly who all the heirs are. The seizure was 100 years ago and there are almost certainly more descendants of the Bruces than the couple filing the original action. The loot may have to get split a lot of ways after that many generations. If so there could be cross litigation over splitting the swag that would go on for years and end like some of those cases where lawyers consume the whole thing in fees.
    4. The two lots more or less overlay the County Lifeguard headquarters. There may have to be a swap for adjacent ocean front park land. Or perhaps the heirs take title to the headquarters and lease the back to the County. However that means no instant payout to the heirs and their lawyers.
    5. The heir’s lawyers have made some noises that the land return isn’t enough. As Steve points out the heirs think that by now they would have been scions of a financial empire of the size depicted in Empire, and are hinting an eight or nine digit cash settlement would be appropriate along with the land.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @Ben tillman

    The loot may have to get split a lot of ways after that many generations.

    Indeed. I propose DNA testing (dig up dem ol’ bones!) because I have this idea that there are many, many unacknowledged chidrens and grandchidrens who may have legitimate claims. Which means at least one thing about them will be legitimate.

    So it’s not just greed causing the heirs to seek a mega-millions payout in addition to the settlement. It’s also foreplanning. And you racists keep saying they don’t even do that. Shame shame.

  63. @International Jew
    What's the situation over there homeless-encampmentwise?

    Replies: @Alfa158

    Pretty much aren’t any. Individual homeless are permitted to wander about for themselves for a while as long as they remain in motion and don’t congregate. The former site at an old railroad underpass that had people sleeping overnight has been improved and developed so it’s gone. Not sure how they do it except maybe the police have time to pick people up and deliver them to shelters, so they have no legal excuse to hang around. Also I notice you never see the shopping carts homeless use. Any shopping cart is stolen property so I speculate the cops use that to arrest homeless people and therefore they tend to stay out of the city. The homeless you see are mostly day commuters from neighboring towns.
    Native crime rate is minuscule so the well-funded police have bandwidth to respond quickly to any crime or potential crime. In many cases when there is a robbery or burglary, the police are right there and make arrests at a much higher rate than most jurisdictions. You also need to make sure your alarm system is in good working order. If it malfunctions and goes off the cops are at your door in five minutes. If they make it to your house before you can cancel the call and it was a false alarm they write it up. You get one free false alarm a year then you pay for subsequent ones.
    The city is now considering its own district attorney so it can prosecute criminals that would otherwise be caught and released under County DA Gascon. Even the most liberal “in this house we believe” homeowner wants security for their \$2.9M modest sized home.

    • Thanks: International Jew
  64. @Jack D
    Because we all know what a good idea it is to return public park land to private ownership. This is something that progressives especially support in keeping with their free market principles. I can't count the number of rallies and signs that I have seen in which people in a neighborhood demand that their neighborhood park be closed and a shopping mall or apartment building be put up in its place.

    Has there ever been another case where park land, however acquired, was given back to its original owners or returned to private ownership?

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Hypnotoad666, @Jonathan Mason

    Do people really not understand that eminent domain includes the right to payment of fair market compensation by the government? That whole dumb WaPo article never mentioned that the owners were fully paid for the property in 1924.

    Invested at compound returns for a hundred years, the original payment is probably worth more than the property itself. But I am guessing the descendents didn’t even have to give back the original amount. Giving away \$85 million to some people just because they are black is exactly what California would do, however.

    • Agree: Hangnail Hans
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Hypnotoad666

    These people know nothing of market economics and care even less. They are only concerned with "racial justice" and they have seized on this case as an example of "racial injustice". The rest does not matter at all. California being the origin of all trends, it will not be long before all of Tulsa has to be returned to the descendants of the Tulsa riot.

    Recently on NPR I heard a program where a German economist went back and using the very good records that the Germans had kept, proved that large German corporations such as Deutsche Bank had reduced earnings as a result of their ouster of Jewish executives (which BTW they did almost immediately after Hitler came to power and years before it was legally required). (BTW, the hilarious lesson that NPR drew from this was that American corporations should have more Black executives because lack of diversity harms earnings. Since there is no difference between blacks and Jews, this is the only conclusion that you can draw.) Do you think that if you had presented this study to Hitler he would have acted differently because it cut the growth of the German GDP? Ideologues don't care about money, especially when it's not their money.

    Replies: @SFG

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Hypnotoad666

    So I guess now there will be another sub-rosa conversation about how eminent domain happens to white people too, just like there is sub-rosa awareness that police shootings happen to whites too, indeed often far more egregious cases.

    And as you point out, if the state were really serious about doing this whole rewind of reality thing, they would also have to rewind the original eminent domain payment made to the Bruce family. Including all the present value jiggery pokery, it could end up being that the Bruce family owes the state of California.

    But of course, they're not being consistent or doing real math. They're just doing woke math: all the positives go to the colored fellas.

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Hypnotoad666

    Fun fact: According to this calculator (http://www.moneychimp.com/features/market_cagr.htm), each dollar invested in the stock market in 1924, with continuously reinvested dividends, would be worth $1,188.03 today.

    Replies: @Barnard, @lavoisier

    , @International Jew
    @Hypnotoad666


    eminent domain includes the right to payment of fair market compensation by the government
     
    Not really. There would be no need for eminent domain if the gov were truly committed to paying market value; if that were the case, the gov would just buy the property the way you or I would need to do if we wanted it.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Colin Wright

  65. @Paleo Liberal
    There was an interesting article in Mother Jones recently that turns all the redlining arguments on their head.

    It seems that the difference between black and white home wealth is entirely dependent on short sales and foreclosures.

    If one only looks at those homeowners who did NOT go through short sales and foreclosures, it seems that:

    1. Black homeowners have seen an equal amount of increase in home value as white homeowners

    2. Hispanic homeowners have seen a greater increase in home value than have white homeowners

    Think about it for a while.

    Many white homeowners are in rural areas which have seen declining values. As are many rural blacks.

    Many urban black homeowners are in areas which are being gentrified. Thus the value goes way up. Think of the Prospect Park area in Brooklyn. Steve can come up with similar areas in LA.

    As for Hispanics— not sure what is going on.
    Part of it may be Hispanics taking over formerly black neighborhoods.
    Part of it may be neighborhoods with Hispanics being flooded with immigrants who drive up the housing costs.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @Almost Missouri

    It seems that the difference between black and white home wealth is entirely dependent on…

    I notice that every single explanation trotted out is preceded by this phrase. In the end, the disparity has been accounted for a dozen times over, or more.

    In the end (and it will never end) this is why the total amount owing must be infinite. Or, to make it comprehensible to the beneficiaries, eleventy hunned gabillions.

  66. @AnotherDad

    “It’s not an exaggeration to say that they would have been millionaires if they had been able to hold on to their property and their successful business,” Hahn said. “This was an injustice inflicted not just upon Willa and Charles Bruce, but on generations of their descendants.”
     
    Such stupidity being turned into legal and public policy--that's your nation on minoritarianism.


    Strikes me there are truths--one factual, one moral--that conservatives must be willing to assert to stave off the end of our civilization:

    1) People are different. Individuals and groups.
    You don't expect even the kids in your family to have the same social/economic outcomes--they are different people with different genes. The various races and ethnic groups have had thousands of years of separate gene-culture co-evolution. Expecting average outcomes to be the same is absolutely ridiculous. And blaming those differences on white people is both a lie and nasty toxic politics.


    2) All people have a fundamental right to live as they wish according to their own norms, values, culture.

    There can only be one normative public culture. A nation's majority has no logical or moral obligation to bend and twist and tie themselves in knots to accommodate minorities. Minorities can accommodate themselves to the majority culture--adopt it and join the majority if they like--or they can separate themselves within the nation or form a separate nation.

    And the white people who created and built America have a right to continue with traditional American culture--their branch of Western Civilization--as their normative public culture. And if other people don't like it and do not want to accommodate themselves to it, then the appropriate response is separation.


    If conservatives are unable or unwilling to assert these two fundamental ideas ... then just kiss America and the West goodbye.

    Replies: @Jack D

    There can only be one normative public culture

    I disagree with this. America has always had all sorts of crazy minorities and regional cultures that cultivated their own public culture. The normative public culture of New Orleans was never like that of Boston. The normative public culture of the Amish was unlike that of the Mormons.

    The assimiilationist idea that we all had to be the same was the product of 20th century mass culture. We all had to go to the same movies and listen to the same radio programs. Big business loved this idea because then they could sell Wheaties to every person in America instead of selling scrapple in PA and grits in Alabama and so on.

    As I have said before, Washington was more clued in to this over 200 years ago than you are now. In his letter to the Jews of Newport, he, quoting Scripture, said that in the US “every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and fig tree” and that the “Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens in giving it on all occasions their effectual support.” All you needed to do was to be a good citizen. You didn’t have to join the Church or give up your culture (this was more the deal the Austro-Hungarian Empire – there was no limit to how high you could rise as a Jew, but first you had to convert and become “a Hungarian”, which meant that you had to be a Catholic.) In America, you could still be a Quaker or a Virginia gentleman or even a Jew and as long as you swore allegience to the flag, what you believed otherwise was none of the government’s business.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Jack D

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALE6ENavvJQ

    , @SFG
    @Jack D

    There’s never been a serious Jewish presidential candidate, and no Catholic until 1960. Until recently the American elite was pretty WASPy.

    Not saying that was necessarily bad-we seem to have gone downhill since the 1960s-but there definitely were limits. Of course it was better for religious minorities than any other Western country. (Canada?)

    You can tolerate, and should probably expect, some heterogeneity in a country this size. But you have to have something in common, which is being torn down these days.

    Replies: @Pixo

    , @Colin Wright
    @Jack D

    'The assimiilationist idea that we all had to be the same was the product of 20th century mass culture. We all had to go to the same movies and listen to the same radio programs. Big business loved this idea because then they could sell Wheaties to every person in America instead of selling scrapple in PA and grits in Alabama and so on.'

    I can recall assimilationism from my elementary school reader in the mid-sixties. The Italian father can't understand why his son wants a baseball mitt, etc. Look at a movie like Sergeant York. (1940). They manage to work in the 'we're all Americans' theme pretty good there. Ditto for Go for Broke (1951). Hank Greenberg -- 'the Hebrew Hammer.' Etc. Etc.

    The way I see it, it was a way of absorbing all these relatively new immigrant populations into the US. Looking back, it was really ceaseless: Irish are Americans, Jews are Americans, Italians are Americans...even Mexicans are Americans.

    And blacks are just like the rest of us -- of course. It did work to some extent; we all -- at least I do --think of Poles, Irishmen, Italians, etc as 'Americans.' I used to think of Jews as Americans as well, but the Jews themselves seem to be insisting I rethink that. Well. I can. It's hard, but...

    Replies: @Jack D, @Kevin Brook

    , @AnotherDad
    @Jack D



    There can only be one normative public culture
     
    I disagree with this.
     
    Of course you do Jack. You're a minoritarian. (For the same reason Jews--a middle man minority--have--not irrationally for them--pushed minoritarianism.) You're just a minoritarian who thinks the thing has gone over the top--particularly with blacks, whom i've gathered aren't your favorite--and is no longer working in your interest.

    This explanation just missing the boat:

    America has always had all sorts of crazy minorities and regional cultures that cultivated their own public culture. The normative public culture of New Orleans was never like that of Boston. The normative public culture of the Amish was unlike that of the Mormons.
     
    The minorities are just that ... minorities. The Amish don't create the normative public culture anywhere that i'm aware of. (I doubt even in Lancaster county.) The Mormons probably do in large swathes of Utah and maybe some other places in the western US. But elsewhere accommodate themselves to whatever the public culture is and do their own Mormon thing amongst themselves.

    The normative public culture isn't necessarily the same everywhere. New Orleans doesn't have the same public norms as Minneapolis. That's obvious. It's true even in much smaller nations than the US. And easily accommodated by federalism. And why we are supposed to have it. (It's actually minoritarians that are at war with it.)

    But what does not work is you and me and some mestizo and some Muslim and some Asian shopkeeper and George Floyd all interacting in Minneapolis according to our own separate diverse expectations. Some set of public norms has to actually be normative. Or there is simply continual, chaos and conflict.
    , @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    As I have said before, Washington was more clued in to this over 200 years ago than you are now. In his letter to the Jews of Newport, he, quoting Scripture, said that in the US “every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and fig tree” ...
     
    I'll separate this bit. We've discussed the George Washington letter--which you love--before. You just don't seem to understand it.

    Washington--a good guy--is just saying he hopes the Jews will be good citizens and be treated well without prejudice by their fellow citizens. Doing their Jewish thing "under his own vine and fig tree"--i.e. in their own business.

    Washington is not suggesting the presence of Jews means they get to define the public culture of the United States or any state, nor that it has to be twisted around to accommodate them, nor that that the normative public culture will be anything other than the existing--mostly Anglo-Protestant--culture, that varied regionally.

    Washington is not David Brooks--glorying the Jews bursting through the oppressive WASP establishment. Washington is the oppressive WASP establishment.

    Basically, his statement here is--sincere and nicely phrased--but the same as mine:
    -- do your own thing privately as a minority
    -- be a good public citizen--which of course entails
    a) accommodating yourself publicly to public norms
    b) being loyal to your fellow citizens
    -- and your fellow citizens will wish you well.

    ~~

    The 2nd thing is Washington's letter is not holy writ. I consider Washington a genuine great man. But that doesn't mean Washington understood everything or got everything right. (No one does. We are humans.)

    In retrospect, it's clear Washington was actually naive about the Jews--or at least the effect of large numbers of eastern Ashkenazi. He did not understand--probably had not thought to much about--the problems associated with having a tribal and majority-hostile religious group, especially a high IQ one. Not the same issue as these questions of varying Christian religious beliefs--and loyalty to Rome--that had bedeviled Europe.

    If Washington could actually see late 20th century Jewish behavior, i suspect his 18th century take on Jews would be quite a bit different.

    Replies: @John Regan, @Reg Cæsar, @Reg Cæsar, @megabar

    , @megabar
    @Jack D

    Live-and-let-live only works if it is enforced with power. In a modern democratic nation, that means only if enough people are committed to it. When enough people support integration and equality, it will be become mandated by law, and then you won't have the choice to be left alone. The people that support radical freedom have become outnumbered in the US.

    The fact that different white settlers could peacefully co-exist in the 1700s does not mean that a modern multiracial society can. The government's reach was far smaller, and the only people you dealt with were those in your community. Mass media, travel, big business, etc all mean that you are exposed to essentially everyone in your nation, in one form or another, on a regular basis.

    Furthermore, the degree of differences matter. Compatibility and equality are different things. Two different people may be unequal, but compatible. It's fine to share a society with different people, but not as pleasant to share it with incompatible people.

  67. Hmm, so one black family gets a settlement, so now all blacks are entitled to a settlement, because they all know each other, right? Wait, I thought that was a racist trope. But I guess it’s fine when they do it.

    Who could have foreseen this? /s

    Steve did, obviously, which is why pointed this out originally.

    This is all part of the program where anything that benefits blacks or libels whites is imputed into a “larger pattern”, while anything that glorifies whites or impugns blacks is just a one-off nothing-to-see-here if it is even reported at all.

    I hope the Bruce family will put some money into the trust fund for when the Detroit whites start asking to be I reimbursed for the property they lost when they were ethnically cleansed from the city, … and then every white or descendant of whites who was white-flighted or block-busted from their homes.

    • Thanks: TruthRevolution.net
  68. OT – Jules Verne’s “Around the World in 80 Days” get diversified.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt9174578/mediaviewer/rm1844769025/

  69. @Hypnotoad666
    @Jack D

    Do people really not understand that eminent domain includes the right to payment of fair market compensation by the government? That whole dumb WaPo article never mentioned that the owners were fully paid for the property in 1924.

    Invested at compound returns for a hundred years, the original payment is probably worth more than the property itself. But I am guessing the descendents didn't even have to give back the original amount. Giving away $85 million to some people just because they are black is exactly what California would do, however.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Almost Missouri, @Hypnotoad666, @International Jew

    These people know nothing of market economics and care even less. They are only concerned with “racial justice” and they have seized on this case as an example of “racial injustice”. The rest does not matter at all. California being the origin of all trends, it will not be long before all of Tulsa has to be returned to the descendants of the Tulsa riot.

    Recently on NPR I heard a program where a German economist went back and using the very good records that the Germans had kept, proved that large German corporations such as Deutsche Bank had reduced earnings as a result of their ouster of Jewish executives (which BTW they did almost immediately after Hitler came to power and years before it was legally required). (BTW, the hilarious lesson that NPR drew from this was that American corporations should have more Black executives because lack of diversity harms earnings. Since there is no difference between blacks and Jews, this is the only conclusion that you can draw.) Do you think that if you had presented this study to Hitler he would have acted differently because it cut the growth of the German GDP? Ideologues don’t care about money, especially when it’s not their money.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @Jack D

    German corporations ditched Jewish executives for the same reason Facebook started making it OK to trash white men after Biden won-to stay on the good side of those in power.

    I expect the purges of white men to have the same effect as those of Jews, and for the same reason. China will get the next big tech advance, whatever it is-think they’re worried about too many of their engineers being Asian?

    Replies: @nebulafox

  70. .. no white landowner ever lost their property in an involuntary eminent domain action. /sarc-off

    In the 90’s, anti-ED sentiment was running high. People were rightly upset about how politicians (ab)use ED.

    That was around the time that Jobs was able to acquire a few acres, in a politically controlled (of course), Emeryville redevelopment district; all government districts are crap. The purchase included a city street running through it. Decades before, the land beneath the road had been acquired by ED, i.e. for public purpose.

    NY’ers who lurk here can explain how NYT was able to “acquire” the land for its current, lavish HQ.

    Jerry Brown, as Mayor of Oakland, had an insider’s view of the total corruption within urban, redevelopment authorities; one of his deep pocket, local supporters was a downtown developer. The first thing Brown did, when he re-became governor, was to dissolve those bureaucracies. (If only he had crushed the teachers union …)

  71. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad


    There can only be one normative public culture
     
    I disagree with this. America has always had all sorts of crazy minorities and regional cultures that cultivated their own public culture. The normative public culture of New Orleans was never like that of Boston. The normative public culture of the Amish was unlike that of the Mormons.

    The assimiilationist idea that we all had to be the same was the product of 20th century mass culture. We all had to go to the same movies and listen to the same radio programs. Big business loved this idea because then they could sell Wheaties to every person in America instead of selling scrapple in PA and grits in Alabama and so on.

    As I have said before, Washington was more clued in to this over 200 years ago than you are now. In his letter to the Jews of Newport, he, quoting Scripture, said that in the US "every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and fig tree" and that the "Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens in giving it on all occasions their effectual support." All you needed to do was to be a good citizen. You didn't have to join the Church or give up your culture (this was more the deal the Austro-Hungarian Empire - there was no limit to how high you could rise as a Jew, but first you had to convert and become "a Hungarian", which meant that you had to be a Catholic.) In America, you could still be a Quaker or a Virginia gentleman or even a Jew and as long as you swore allegience to the flag, what you believed otherwise was none of the government's business.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @SFG, @Colin Wright, @AnotherDad, @AnotherDad, @megabar

  72. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad


    There can only be one normative public culture
     
    I disagree with this. America has always had all sorts of crazy minorities and regional cultures that cultivated their own public culture. The normative public culture of New Orleans was never like that of Boston. The normative public culture of the Amish was unlike that of the Mormons.

    The assimiilationist idea that we all had to be the same was the product of 20th century mass culture. We all had to go to the same movies and listen to the same radio programs. Big business loved this idea because then they could sell Wheaties to every person in America instead of selling scrapple in PA and grits in Alabama and so on.

    As I have said before, Washington was more clued in to this over 200 years ago than you are now. In his letter to the Jews of Newport, he, quoting Scripture, said that in the US "every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and fig tree" and that the "Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens in giving it on all occasions their effectual support." All you needed to do was to be a good citizen. You didn't have to join the Church or give up your culture (this was more the deal the Austro-Hungarian Empire - there was no limit to how high you could rise as a Jew, but first you had to convert and become "a Hungarian", which meant that you had to be a Catholic.) In America, you could still be a Quaker or a Virginia gentleman or even a Jew and as long as you swore allegience to the flag, what you believed otherwise was none of the government's business.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @SFG, @Colin Wright, @AnotherDad, @AnotherDad, @megabar

    There’s never been a serious Jewish presidential candidate, and no Catholic until 1960. Until recently the American elite was pretty WASPy.

    Not saying that was necessarily bad-we seem to have gone downhill since the 1960s-but there definitely were limits. Of course it was better for religious minorities than any other Western country. (Canada?)

    You can tolerate, and should probably expect, some heterogeneity in a country this size. But you have to have something in common, which is being torn down these days.

    • Replies: @Pixo
    @SFG

    Barry Goldwater was half Jewish and Kerry is 1/4 Jewish. That's outperforming most white ethnicities.

    Really there is a giant over representation of British stock in national politics, and every other large group consequently underrepresented.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Art Deco

  73. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad


    There can only be one normative public culture
     
    I disagree with this. America has always had all sorts of crazy minorities and regional cultures that cultivated their own public culture. The normative public culture of New Orleans was never like that of Boston. The normative public culture of the Amish was unlike that of the Mormons.

    The assimiilationist idea that we all had to be the same was the product of 20th century mass culture. We all had to go to the same movies and listen to the same radio programs. Big business loved this idea because then they could sell Wheaties to every person in America instead of selling scrapple in PA and grits in Alabama and so on.

    As I have said before, Washington was more clued in to this over 200 years ago than you are now. In his letter to the Jews of Newport, he, quoting Scripture, said that in the US "every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and fig tree" and that the "Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens in giving it on all occasions their effectual support." All you needed to do was to be a good citizen. You didn't have to join the Church or give up your culture (this was more the deal the Austro-Hungarian Empire - there was no limit to how high you could rise as a Jew, but first you had to convert and become "a Hungarian", which meant that you had to be a Catholic.) In America, you could still be a Quaker or a Virginia gentleman or even a Jew and as long as you swore allegience to the flag, what you believed otherwise was none of the government's business.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @SFG, @Colin Wright, @AnotherDad, @AnotherDad, @megabar

    ‘The assimiilationist idea that we all had to be the same was the product of 20th century mass culture. We all had to go to the same movies and listen to the same radio programs. Big business loved this idea because then they could sell Wheaties to every person in America instead of selling scrapple in PA and grits in Alabama and so on.’

    I can recall assimilationism from my elementary school reader in the mid-sixties. The Italian father can’t understand why his son wants a baseball mitt, etc. Look at a movie like Sergeant York. (1940). They manage to work in the ‘we’re all Americans’ theme pretty good there. Ditto for Go for Broke (1951). Hank Greenberg — ‘the Hebrew Hammer.’ Etc. Etc.

    The way I see it, it was a way of absorbing all these relatively new immigrant populations into the US. Looking back, it was really ceaseless: Irish are Americans, Jews are Americans, Italians are Americans…even Mexicans are Americans.

    And blacks are just like the rest of us — of course. It did work to some extent; we all — at least I do –think of Poles, Irishmen, Italians, etc as ‘Americans.’ I used to think of Jews as Americans as well, but the Jews themselves seem to be insisting I rethink that. Well. I can. It’s hard, but…

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Colin Wright

    Ironically, many of the people who were promoting assimilationism the hardest were Jews - Louis Mayer, Irving Berlin, etc. Who do you think was making those movies?

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    , @Kevin Brook
    @Colin Wright


    I used to think of Jews as Americans as well, but the Jews themselves seem to be insisting I rethink that.
     
    Not really. In an interview on the Jim Bohannon Show on December 8th, the leftist but anti-wokist American Jewish author Batya Ungar-Sargon affirmed her Americanism and the need for a feeling of brotherhood across all kinds of Americans.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @74v56ruthiyj

  74. The land in California was taken through eminent domain, which is essentially a political process. The dispute about whether the compensation for that seizure was fair or not was resolved through another political process – a change in state law – so on the whole this resolution seems procedurally appropriate. Of course, there are countless other cases of people in the U.S. having their land taken and being paid “a pittance,” as the article puts it, under eminent domain, but whether their descendants are likely to succeed in securing post-hoc compensation would seem, per the WashPost article, to depend in large part on whether they are black.

    The underlying theory for all of this is that a significant percentage of white people in the U.S. have benefitted from “hereditary wealth” and that this has been denied to black people. However, I have yet to see anything that proves this or studies it systematically. It’s just assumed to be true. If the assumption is false, rebutting it would be a really important project.

  75. @Jack D
    @Hypnotoad666

    These people know nothing of market economics and care even less. They are only concerned with "racial justice" and they have seized on this case as an example of "racial injustice". The rest does not matter at all. California being the origin of all trends, it will not be long before all of Tulsa has to be returned to the descendants of the Tulsa riot.

    Recently on NPR I heard a program where a German economist went back and using the very good records that the Germans had kept, proved that large German corporations such as Deutsche Bank had reduced earnings as a result of their ouster of Jewish executives (which BTW they did almost immediately after Hitler came to power and years before it was legally required). (BTW, the hilarious lesson that NPR drew from this was that American corporations should have more Black executives because lack of diversity harms earnings. Since there is no difference between blacks and Jews, this is the only conclusion that you can draw.) Do you think that if you had presented this study to Hitler he would have acted differently because it cut the growth of the German GDP? Ideologues don't care about money, especially when it's not their money.

    Replies: @SFG

    German corporations ditched Jewish executives for the same reason Facebook started making it OK to trash white men after Biden won-to stay on the good side of those in power.

    I expect the purges of white men to have the same effect as those of Jews, and for the same reason. China will get the next big tech advance, whatever it is-think they’re worried about too many of their engineers being Asian?

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @SFG

    It was partially just the legacy of demographics. That always takes some time to propagate. Until the late 19th Century, the overwhelming majority of Americans were Protestant, meaning the overwhelming majority of politicians were. The resident non-Protestants were Germans and Irish who, as recent immigrants, were legally barred from becoming POTUS anyhow.

    >I expect the purges of white men to have the same effect as those of Jews, and for the same reason. China will get the next big tech advance, whatever it is-think they’re worried about too many of their engineers being Asian?

    I do not put it beyond Beijing to make a concerted effort to poach alienated white/Asian male STEM types from the US, and the way things are going... I mean, yeah, this is an exaggeration, but would you rather have pretty cheerleaders encouraging you to code, or surly, ugly HR commissars?

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Jack D

  76. @Paleo Liberal
    There was an interesting article in Mother Jones recently that turns all the redlining arguments on their head.

    It seems that the difference between black and white home wealth is entirely dependent on short sales and foreclosures.

    If one only looks at those homeowners who did NOT go through short sales and foreclosures, it seems that:

    1. Black homeowners have seen an equal amount of increase in home value as white homeowners

    2. Hispanic homeowners have seen a greater increase in home value than have white homeowners

    Think about it for a while.

    Many white homeowners are in rural areas which have seen declining values. As are many rural blacks.

    Many urban black homeowners are in areas which are being gentrified. Thus the value goes way up. Think of the Prospect Park area in Brooklyn. Steve can come up with similar areas in LA.

    As for Hispanics— not sure what is going on.
    Part of it may be Hispanics taking over formerly black neighborhoods.
    Part of it may be neighborhoods with Hispanics being flooded with immigrants who drive up the housing costs.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @Almost Missouri

    Thanks. I’ve been saying the same thing here for several years.

    It’s almost impossible for blacks to lose money in the real estate market because prices in black districts are already at worst-case-scenario levels, so there is only upside. That upside might never come, but then that happens to plenty of non-blacks too.

    Who lost money on their real estate when the prices went to worst-case-scenario levels? Whites, usually.

    Who caused the prices to go to worst-case scenario levels? Blacks, usually.

    • Agree: Hangnail Hans
    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Almost Missouri


    It’s almost impossible for blacks to lose money in the real estate market because prices in black districts are already at worst-case-scenario levels, so there is only upside.
     
    Almost, i'm with you on your overall thrust. Blacks aren't burdened in real estate. In fact, they enjoy a price break for the same housing stock ... if they are willing to live around other blacks.

    However, it is quite possible for blacks to lose in real estate, when they are the first mover into a white neighborhood which then flips.

    The overall pattern is whites win by being first (in a demographic transition) and lose by being last. For blacks it's the other way around.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  77. Pretty soon you’re going to start seeing commercials on TV shows that have a mostly black audience by attorneys advertising that they can “get yo’ property back,” just call this number and oh by the way you’ll need to pay us a \$5000 retainer. Don’t have the cash? There’s a payday loan company conveniently located right in our building!

  78. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad


    There can only be one normative public culture
     
    I disagree with this. America has always had all sorts of crazy minorities and regional cultures that cultivated their own public culture. The normative public culture of New Orleans was never like that of Boston. The normative public culture of the Amish was unlike that of the Mormons.

    The assimiilationist idea that we all had to be the same was the product of 20th century mass culture. We all had to go to the same movies and listen to the same radio programs. Big business loved this idea because then they could sell Wheaties to every person in America instead of selling scrapple in PA and grits in Alabama and so on.

    As I have said before, Washington was more clued in to this over 200 years ago than you are now. In his letter to the Jews of Newport, he, quoting Scripture, said that in the US "every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and fig tree" and that the "Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens in giving it on all occasions their effectual support." All you needed to do was to be a good citizen. You didn't have to join the Church or give up your culture (this was more the deal the Austro-Hungarian Empire - there was no limit to how high you could rise as a Jew, but first you had to convert and become "a Hungarian", which meant that you had to be a Catholic.) In America, you could still be a Quaker or a Virginia gentleman or even a Jew and as long as you swore allegience to the flag, what you believed otherwise was none of the government's business.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @SFG, @Colin Wright, @AnotherDad, @AnotherDad, @megabar

    There can only be one normative public culture

    I disagree with this.

    Of course you do Jack. You’re a minoritarian. (For the same reason Jews–a middle man minority–have–not irrationally for them–pushed minoritarianism.) You’re just a minoritarian who thinks the thing has gone over the top–particularly with blacks, whom i’ve gathered aren’t your favorite–and is no longer working in your interest.

    This explanation just missing the boat:

    America has always had all sorts of crazy minorities and regional cultures that cultivated their own public culture. The normative public culture of New Orleans was never like that of Boston. The normative public culture of the Amish was unlike that of the Mormons.

    The minorities are just that … minorities. The Amish don’t create the normative public culture anywhere that i’m aware of. (I doubt even in Lancaster county.) The Mormons probably do in large swathes of Utah and maybe some other places in the western US. But elsewhere accommodate themselves to whatever the public culture is and do their own Mormon thing amongst themselves.

    The normative public culture isn’t necessarily the same everywhere. New Orleans doesn’t have the same public norms as Minneapolis. That’s obvious. It’s true even in much smaller nations than the US. And easily accommodated by federalism. And why we are supposed to have it. (It’s actually minoritarians that are at war with it.)

    But what does not work is you and me and some mestizo and some Muslim and some Asian shopkeeper and George Floyd all interacting in Minneapolis according to our own separate diverse expectations. Some set of public norms has to actually be normative. Or there is simply continual, chaos and conflict.

    • Agree: John Regan
  79. @SFG
    @Jack D

    German corporations ditched Jewish executives for the same reason Facebook started making it OK to trash white men after Biden won-to stay on the good side of those in power.

    I expect the purges of white men to have the same effect as those of Jews, and for the same reason. China will get the next big tech advance, whatever it is-think they’re worried about too many of their engineers being Asian?

    Replies: @nebulafox

    It was partially just the legacy of demographics. That always takes some time to propagate. Until the late 19th Century, the overwhelming majority of Americans were Protestant, meaning the overwhelming majority of politicians were. The resident non-Protestants were Germans and Irish who, as recent immigrants, were legally barred from becoming POTUS anyhow.

    >I expect the purges of white men to have the same effect as those of Jews, and for the same reason. China will get the next big tech advance, whatever it is-think they’re worried about too many of their engineers being Asian?

    I do not put it beyond Beijing to make a concerted effort to poach alienated white/Asian male STEM types from the US, and the way things are going… I mean, yeah, this is an exaggeration, but would you rather have pretty cheerleaders encouraging you to code, or surly, ugly HR commissars?

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @nebulafox


    I do not put it beyond Beijing to make a concerted effort to poach alienated white/Asian male STEM types from the US, and the way things are going… I mean, yeah, this is an exaggeration, but would you rather have pretty cheerleaders encouraging you to code, or surly, ugly HR commissars?
     
    That is actually not a bad idea. The next "ghost city" that the Chinese build should be like a theme park for white male refugees. It could be a replica of 1950's Mad Man era Manhattan. But no HR departments, no wokeness, and the only "diversity" is lots of attractive Asian women. I don't think they would have too much trouble recruiting.

    Replies: @AV Club Sandwich

    , @Jack D
    @nebulafox


    I do not put it beyond Beijing to make a concerted effort to poach alienated white/Asian male STEM types from the US,
     
    The Chinese already make an effort to get Chinese grad students to come home after graduation. And if you look at the Math Olympiad teams from various countries, they really don't need to recruit white people - there is plenty of Chinese talent. There might have been a time when they were interested but at this point they have mostly caught up and probably would be more worried that whites were going to ideologically infect the Chinese. China is also now discouraging the learning of Engrish for the same reason:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/09/business/china-english.html

    Better to study Xi Jinping Thought instead.


    Which also cuts down on the need for white teachers in China. And the way things are going in China, it's now a less atttractive place for whites than a few year ago. There were a couple of Canadian whites who were working in China and Canada was holding the daughter of the founder of Huawei on a warrant from the US so China just arrested them on a pretext and held them as hostages for like 3 years. This does not make Westerners want to move to China but frankly they don't care.

    Replies: @nebulafox

  80. Black people forcing the return of property that was taken from them by one means or another, often violently, over the years.

    Should blacks return their land to American Indians?

    It would indeed be interest to trace the chain of title to these properties.

  81. I will be pushing a nationwide movement for the land return to the Palestinians, whose land was stolen by racist&violent Jewish settlers.

    #FightWhitePrivilegeInIsrael

    #PalestiniansArePeopleOfColor

  82. @Achmed E. Newman

    Who knew that by 2021 FDR would be History’s Greatest Monster?
     
    I gotta give them credit there for being inadvertently on the right track. No, he was not the greatest monster in even American history, but possibly the 2nd worst President of the 20th century. The socialist scumbag Lyndon Johnson would of course be numero uno, but some might put Woodrow Wilson in 2nd place.

    As for redlining, go screw yourselves, whiners! Save your money for your house, open up your own banks, whatever you gotta do, but no matter what your lame-ass excuses for your race's century and half of financial stupidity in America, you ain't getting my stuff!

    I have STILL not calmed down from this one. Go to bed, Steve, dammit!

    Great post though, Steve, with nice retorts as usual. Yes, I can imagine "Straight outta Manhattan Beach", haha. If you gave them all the city of Manhattan Beach* tomorrow, by 2025, they'd have leached out all the value and spent that cash on bling that they've already let rot.

    .

    * Yes, it's a great spot! Who wouldn't want to live on one of those walk-streets or the Strand itself? Chrissy and Janet may just rollerblade by your front window in short shorts at any time.

    Replies: @rebel yell, @The Alarmist, @JohnnyWalker123

    Chrissy and Janet may just rollerblade by your front window in short shorts at any time.

    Sorry, but IRL, you get Mrs. Roper tanning in the buff in the back yard.

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  83. Just received an email from Amazon promoting this event tomorrow evening:

    “Watch music and cultural icon, Kanye, in his first headlining show in five years, with special guest Drake, live from the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum. Kanye has dedicated the benefit concert to raising awareness of the need for prison and sentencing reform, and supporting legal reform and community advocates.”

    Evidently this event is designed to help release this guy:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Hoover

    “On October 11, 2018, during a luncheon with President Donald Trump, Kanye West pleaded for clemency for Hoover. On November 20, 2021, West and rapper Drake announced that they would stage a benefit concert, scheduled for December 2021, in a bid to release Hoover.”

    Increasing street lawlessness against brick-and-mortar stores contributes directly to Amazon’s bottom line as an e-commerce tech giant, but by promoting events like this, and other inititatives (e.g., \$100M payola from Bezos to the “Obama Foundation” *), do they have to be so in-your-face about it?

    *Like the “Clinton Foundation”, modelled after the Vito Corleone Foundation in The Godfather Part III: washing dirty money in the holy water of “philanthropy”. Maybe Bezos got his nice round figure of \$100M from the value of the VCF mentioned in the movie.

  84. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad


    There can only be one normative public culture
     
    I disagree with this. America has always had all sorts of crazy minorities and regional cultures that cultivated their own public culture. The normative public culture of New Orleans was never like that of Boston. The normative public culture of the Amish was unlike that of the Mormons.

    The assimiilationist idea that we all had to be the same was the product of 20th century mass culture. We all had to go to the same movies and listen to the same radio programs. Big business loved this idea because then they could sell Wheaties to every person in America instead of selling scrapple in PA and grits in Alabama and so on.

    As I have said before, Washington was more clued in to this over 200 years ago than you are now. In his letter to the Jews of Newport, he, quoting Scripture, said that in the US "every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and fig tree" and that the "Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens in giving it on all occasions their effectual support." All you needed to do was to be a good citizen. You didn't have to join the Church or give up your culture (this was more the deal the Austro-Hungarian Empire - there was no limit to how high you could rise as a Jew, but first you had to convert and become "a Hungarian", which meant that you had to be a Catholic.) In America, you could still be a Quaker or a Virginia gentleman or even a Jew and as long as you swore allegience to the flag, what you believed otherwise was none of the government's business.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @SFG, @Colin Wright, @AnotherDad, @AnotherDad, @megabar

    As I have said before, Washington was more clued in to this over 200 years ago than you are now. In his letter to the Jews of Newport, he, quoting Scripture, said that in the US “every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and fig tree” …

    I’ll separate this bit. We’ve discussed the George Washington letter–which you love–before. You just don’t seem to understand it.

    Washington–a good guy–is just saying he hopes the Jews will be good citizens and be treated well without prejudice by their fellow citizens. Doing their Jewish thing “under his own vine and fig tree”–i.e. in their own business.

    Washington is not suggesting the presence of Jews means they get to define the public culture of the United States or any state, nor that it has to be twisted around to accommodate them, nor that that the normative public culture will be anything other than the existing–mostly Anglo-Protestant–culture, that varied regionally.

    Washington is not David Brooks–glorying the Jews bursting through the oppressive WASP establishment. Washington is the oppressive WASP establishment.

    Basically, his statement here is–sincere and nicely phrased–but the same as mine:
    — do your own thing privately as a minority
    — be a good public citizen–which of course entails
    a) accommodating yourself publicly to public norms
    b) being loyal to your fellow citizens
    — and your fellow citizens will wish you well.

    ~~

    The 2nd thing is Washington’s letter is not holy writ. I consider Washington a genuine great man. But that doesn’t mean Washington understood everything or got everything right. (No one does. We are humans.)

    In retrospect, it’s clear Washington was actually naive about the Jews–or at least the effect of large numbers of eastern Ashkenazi. He did not understand–probably had not thought to much about–the problems associated with having a tribal and majority-hostile religious group, especially a high IQ one. Not the same issue as these questions of varying Christian religious beliefs–and loyalty to Rome–that had bedeviled Europe.

    If Washington could actually see late 20th century Jewish behavior, i suspect his 18th century take on Jews would be quite a bit different.

    • Thanks: John Regan
    • Replies: @John Regan
    @AnotherDad


    If Washington could actually see late 20th century Jewish behavior, i suspect his 18th century take on Jews would be quite a bit different.
     
    My bet is, if he could somehow see that and explain it to his fellow Founding Fathers, the American Jews would soon be emigrating to Russia rather than the other way around.

    One wonders how different the world of 2021 would look if the Naturalization Act of 1790 had made citizenship available for "free white Christian persons of good moral character" instead of going by purely racial classifications as it did in real life?

    Ironically America might then be the great fortress of racism and anti-Semitism in the world. While the Russian Jews would perhaps have gone to Germany instead and made it a permanent Weimar Republic without the Nazi interlude. Pretty much a "Mirror Universe" compared to history as we know it?

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @AnotherDad


    ...the existing–mostly Anglo-Protestant–culture, that varied regionally.
     
    And keeps going to war with itself. Leaving certain minorities-- Dutch, Germans, Catholics-- surprised to be holding the center.

    https://www.jhbooks.com/pictures/medium/115481.jpg

    Shoot, look at mainline and evangelical Protestants today.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @AnotherDad

    By the way, today is the Solemnity of the Immaculate Conception.


    By Pontifical decree, it is the patronal feast day of Argentina, Brazil, Italy, Korea, Nicaragua, Paraguay, the Philippines, Spain, the United States, and Uruguay.


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feast_of_the_Immaculate_Conception
     
    One big difference between us and these others (and half the cantons of Switzerland) as well as St George's in England and St Pat's in Ireland:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feast_of_the_Immaculate_Conception#Designation_as_Public_Holiday



    https://www.ncronline.org/sites/default/files/styles/article_full_width/public/20181207T0807-22645-CNS-IMMACULATE-CONCEPTION-HOLY-DAY.jpg?itok=h8PURHB2

    Replies: @Ron Mexico

    , @megabar
    @AnotherDad

    One thing that constantly confounds reasonable people is the effect of thresholds. Thresholds are everywhere in complex matters, and they limit our ability to predict how something will go.

    If groups A and B get along, will A and C? Well, it depends. Over a certain threshold of differences, you could have very different results.

    If 1 million people of group A lives in peace with 100 million of group B, then will it change if group A grows to 10 or 50 million? Well, it depends; in this case there are two possible thresholds. If group A has different enough values, then it might start to cause friction when it acquires enough political power.

    If we consider the US, then I think it's fair to say that the various European people immigration to the US through the 18th-20th centuries did integrate pretty well. Irish, German, Slavic, and Italian people are all different, but they are similar enough to the English (at least among the subset that migrated to the US) that it worked well enough. Wealth gaps were manageable enough to not cause resentment, and the people were similar enough that self-segregation was minimal, keeping ethnic tribalism lower than American tribalism.

    But none of that means that other groups will or can follow the same arc.

    Replies: @Jack D

  85. @Almost Missouri
    @Paleo Liberal

    Thanks. I've been saying the same thing here for several years.

    It's almost impossible for blacks to lose money in the real estate market because prices in black districts are already at worst-case-scenario levels, so there is only upside. That upside might never come, but then that happens to plenty of non-blacks too.

    Who lost money on their real estate when the prices went to worst-case-scenario levels? Whites, usually.

    Who caused the prices to go to worst-case scenario levels? Blacks, usually.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    It’s almost impossible for blacks to lose money in the real estate market because prices in black districts are already at worst-case-scenario levels, so there is only upside.

    Almost, i’m with you on your overall thrust. Blacks aren’t burdened in real estate. In fact, they enjoy a price break for the same housing stock … if they are willing to live around other blacks.

    However, it is quite possible for blacks to lose in real estate, when they are the first mover into a white neighborhood which then flips.

    The overall pattern is whites win by being first (in a demographic transition) and lose by being last. For blacks it’s the other way around.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @AnotherDad


    The overall pattern is whites win by being first (in a demographic transition) and lose by being last. For blacks it’s the other way around.
     
    That may be the case in during a precipitous demographic transition, but most real estate transactions don't occur in those straightened circumstances.

    You buy a house cuz you need a place to live. Usually you buy near other people like yourself.

    If you are black, some white developer may come by and make generous offers in your neighborhood, unexpectedly enriching you due to no special effort on your part.

    If you are white, some civil-rights-machine-backed black may come by and make offers in your neighborhood, unexpectedly impoverishing you due to no special effort on your part.

    Also, note that all "demographic transitions" are not equal. For the black to non-black transition, the non-blacks have to invest, labor, and wait in order to get the result of the transition. In other words, they aren't gaining a windfall, they have to work for it. For the non-black to black transition though, all the blacks have to do is show up and act black. And even then, the press, the government, and the legal profession will do all they can to put the blame and costs elsewhere. The same people will do the exact opposite for the non-blacks: "You didn't build that!" —Obama (speaking to non-black builders of value).

    Replies: @kaganovitch

  86. The Washington Post (Bezos Post) is the mouthpiece of baizuos who regard POC as their personal pets.

    (“Baizuos” from Chinese for “White Leftists”)

    The nonstop cynical Virtue Signaling on their pages is horrifying.

    No one is keeping blacks (or has kept) from going back to their homeland if some feel they are being cheated by staying in the USA. Few do.

    Over educated White people invent new causes they feel they must champion on behalf of the helpless, passive population of blacks (Blacks!) who need special care and attention.

    You can’t be a “Massa” unless you have serfs to lord over.

    “And look, how caring and noble I must be!”

    • Replies: @Thea
    @Muggles

    Every white liberal is Mrs. Jellyby

  87. @Alfa158
    Have there been updates? Because the last I read:
    1. They aren’t getting the whole park, they are getting the two ocean front lots the Bruce’s originally owned. Total area about 10,000 square feet, market value about $15-20M more or less. The rest of the area seized by eminent domain is around 2 acres, and originally would have contained about 30 lots. Most of those were owned by White families, reportedly there were also more Black families, but so far none of their descendants have come forward to stake claims to have the property returned. The whole park would be worth maybe $100-150M.
    2. So far, the bill provided an exemption to State law that forbids the transfer, sale, trade or gift of public lands to private owners so that LA County can give the land back. Also the bill sets the property taxation value to what it would be if the land was covered by Prop 13, and finally, for one transaction forgives California capital gains taxes if eventually the heirs sell the property.
    3.The next step is to determine exactly who all the heirs are. The seizure was 100 years ago and there are almost certainly more descendants of the Bruces than the couple filing the original action. The loot may have to get split a lot of ways after that many generations. If so there could be cross litigation over splitting the swag that would go on for years and end like some of those cases where lawyers consume the whole thing in fees.
    4. The two lots more or less overlay the County Lifeguard headquarters. There may have to be a swap for adjacent ocean front park land. Or perhaps the heirs take title to the headquarters and lease the back to the County. However that means no instant payout to the heirs and their lawyers.
    5. The heir’s lawyers have made some noises that the land return isn’t enough. As Steve points out the heirs think that by now they would have been scions of a financial empire of the size depicted in Empire, and are hinting an eight or nine digit cash settlement would be appropriate along with the land.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @Ben tillman

    Think of all the paternity issues that may have to be resolved. Lol!

    It could indeed turn out like Bleak House.

    • LOL: kaganovitch
    • Replies: @Alfa158
    @Ben tillman

    LA County officials are estimating it will take about a year to sort out the family trees and determine the heirs before the land can be transferred, and that’s before tackling the problem of what to do with the Leibstandarte Headquarters.
    If I have all this correct and nothing changes, I will be munching a lot of popcorn.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Yngvar

  88. @Hypnotoad666
    @Jack D

    Do people really not understand that eminent domain includes the right to payment of fair market compensation by the government? That whole dumb WaPo article never mentioned that the owners were fully paid for the property in 1924.

    Invested at compound returns for a hundred years, the original payment is probably worth more than the property itself. But I am guessing the descendents didn't even have to give back the original amount. Giving away $85 million to some people just because they are black is exactly what California would do, however.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Almost Missouri, @Hypnotoad666, @International Jew

    So I guess now there will be another sub-rosa conversation about how eminent domain happens to white people too, just like there is sub-rosa awareness that police shootings happen to whites too, indeed often far more egregious cases.

    And as you point out, if the state were really serious about doing this whole rewind of reality thing, they would also have to rewind the original eminent domain payment made to the Bruce family. Including all the present value jiggery pokery, it could end up being that the Bruce family owes the state of California.

    But of course, they’re not being consistent or doing real math. They’re just doing woke math: all the positives go to the colored fellas.

  89. @nebulafox
    @SFG

    It was partially just the legacy of demographics. That always takes some time to propagate. Until the late 19th Century, the overwhelming majority of Americans were Protestant, meaning the overwhelming majority of politicians were. The resident non-Protestants were Germans and Irish who, as recent immigrants, were legally barred from becoming POTUS anyhow.

    >I expect the purges of white men to have the same effect as those of Jews, and for the same reason. China will get the next big tech advance, whatever it is-think they’re worried about too many of their engineers being Asian?

    I do not put it beyond Beijing to make a concerted effort to poach alienated white/Asian male STEM types from the US, and the way things are going... I mean, yeah, this is an exaggeration, but would you rather have pretty cheerleaders encouraging you to code, or surly, ugly HR commissars?

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Jack D

    I do not put it beyond Beijing to make a concerted effort to poach alienated white/Asian male STEM types from the US, and the way things are going… I mean, yeah, this is an exaggeration, but would you rather have pretty cheerleaders encouraging you to code, or surly, ugly HR commissars?

    That is actually not a bad idea. The next “ghost city” that the Chinese build should be like a theme park for white male refugees. It could be a replica of 1950’s Mad Man era Manhattan. But no HR departments, no wokeness, and the only “diversity” is lots of attractive Asian women. I don’t think they would have too much trouble recruiting.

    • Replies: @AV Club Sandwich
    @Hypnotoad666

    >attractive
    >Chinese women
    Anime has warped your brain.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  90. @AnotherDad

    … Elsewhere, too, African Americans and their advocates are pressing communities to reckon with and reconcile a history of housing policies that have disproportionately harmed Black Americans. Black people are far less likely than Whites to own land and homes and the generational wealth that goes with them, and the situation has shown little sign of improvement.
     
    In the net, the United States has been a gigantic funnel of prosperity and wealth from whitesto black people.

    Beyond simply being the timeline in which i exist (pretty important to me!) I derive some modest economic benefit from my ancestors having left Ireland, England, Germany and Scotland and making their life and living in the US. The US is a modest prosperity bump relative to Western Europe.

    For blacks it is a gigantic--over an order of magnitude!--prosperity bump. Living in a white built and run nation instead of Africa, getting their standard of living raised to that which flows from white people's general productivity--and law abidingness--is absolute huge!

    ~~

    Again--it's long past time for being polite about the minoritarian lying, the blood--and economic--libels--directed again and again and again against us deplorable white gentiles.

    We--my people--created the American prosperity that minorities enjoy. Not the other way around. America is nice because we are nice--productive, conscientious, hard-working, high-trust and civic minded.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Jack D

    America is nice because we are nice–productive, conscientious, hard-working, high-trust and civic minded.

    You’re (intentionally?) missing a, perhaps the major component: We can be massively and effectively violent when need be (and sometimes ‘at whim’). All that “American prosperity” you praise is due in large part to conquest, dominance, and resistance by White American ancestors. That overwhelming kinetic spirit and action may come to the fore again, sooner than you think.

    Are you merely a “nice” man, AD?

  91. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    As I have said before, Washington was more clued in to this over 200 years ago than you are now. In his letter to the Jews of Newport, he, quoting Scripture, said that in the US “every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and fig tree” ...
     
    I'll separate this bit. We've discussed the George Washington letter--which you love--before. You just don't seem to understand it.

    Washington--a good guy--is just saying he hopes the Jews will be good citizens and be treated well without prejudice by their fellow citizens. Doing their Jewish thing "under his own vine and fig tree"--i.e. in their own business.

    Washington is not suggesting the presence of Jews means they get to define the public culture of the United States or any state, nor that it has to be twisted around to accommodate them, nor that that the normative public culture will be anything other than the existing--mostly Anglo-Protestant--culture, that varied regionally.

    Washington is not David Brooks--glorying the Jews bursting through the oppressive WASP establishment. Washington is the oppressive WASP establishment.

    Basically, his statement here is--sincere and nicely phrased--but the same as mine:
    -- do your own thing privately as a minority
    -- be a good public citizen--which of course entails
    a) accommodating yourself publicly to public norms
    b) being loyal to your fellow citizens
    -- and your fellow citizens will wish you well.

    ~~

    The 2nd thing is Washington's letter is not holy writ. I consider Washington a genuine great man. But that doesn't mean Washington understood everything or got everything right. (No one does. We are humans.)

    In retrospect, it's clear Washington was actually naive about the Jews--or at least the effect of large numbers of eastern Ashkenazi. He did not understand--probably had not thought to much about--the problems associated with having a tribal and majority-hostile religious group, especially a high IQ one. Not the same issue as these questions of varying Christian religious beliefs--and loyalty to Rome--that had bedeviled Europe.

    If Washington could actually see late 20th century Jewish behavior, i suspect his 18th century take on Jews would be quite a bit different.

    Replies: @John Regan, @Reg Cæsar, @Reg Cæsar, @megabar

    If Washington could actually see late 20th century Jewish behavior, i suspect his 18th century take on Jews would be quite a bit different.

    My bet is, if he could somehow see that and explain it to his fellow Founding Fathers, the American Jews would soon be emigrating to Russia rather than the other way around.

    One wonders how different the world of 2021 would look if the Naturalization Act of 1790 had made citizenship available for “free white Christian persons of good moral character” instead of going by purely racial classifications as it did in real life?

    Ironically America might then be the great fortress of racism and anti-Semitism in the world. While the Russian Jews would perhaps have gone to Germany instead and made it a permanent Weimar Republic without the Nazi interlude. Pretty much a “Mirror Universe” compared to history as we know it?

  92. @Hypnotoad666
    @Jack D

    Do people really not understand that eminent domain includes the right to payment of fair market compensation by the government? That whole dumb WaPo article never mentioned that the owners were fully paid for the property in 1924.

    Invested at compound returns for a hundred years, the original payment is probably worth more than the property itself. But I am guessing the descendents didn't even have to give back the original amount. Giving away $85 million to some people just because they are black is exactly what California would do, however.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Almost Missouri, @Hypnotoad666, @International Jew

    Fun fact: According to this calculator (http://www.moneychimp.com/features/market_cagr.htm), each dollar invested in the stock market in 1924, with continuously reinvested dividends, would be worth \$1,188.03 today.

    • Replies: @Barnard
    @Hypnotoad666

    Exclude the dividend reinvestment and you get $425.30 per dollar, which is realistic, you can't expect a couple to leave this completely untouched over an entire lifetime unless they had developed wealth independent of it. Spending the dividends while leaving the investment untouched would be a smart planning move while allowing for some fun spending.

    , @lavoisier
    @Hypnotoad666

    Did they get 85 thousand dollars for their land?

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

  93. @AnotherDad
    @Almost Missouri


    It’s almost impossible for blacks to lose money in the real estate market because prices in black districts are already at worst-case-scenario levels, so there is only upside.
     
    Almost, i'm with you on your overall thrust. Blacks aren't burdened in real estate. In fact, they enjoy a price break for the same housing stock ... if they are willing to live around other blacks.

    However, it is quite possible for blacks to lose in real estate, when they are the first mover into a white neighborhood which then flips.

    The overall pattern is whites win by being first (in a demographic transition) and lose by being last. For blacks it's the other way around.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    The overall pattern is whites win by being first (in a demographic transition) and lose by being last. For blacks it’s the other way around.

    That may be the case in during a precipitous demographic transition, but most real estate transactions don’t occur in those straightened circumstances.

    You buy a house cuz you need a place to live. Usually you buy near other people like yourself.

    If you are black, some white developer may come by and make generous offers in your neighborhood, unexpectedly enriching you due to no special effort on your part.

    If you are white, some civil-rights-machine-backed black may come by and make offers in your neighborhood, unexpectedly impoverishing you due to no special effort on your part.

    Also, note that all “demographic transitions” are not equal. For the black to non-black transition, the non-blacks have to invest, labor, and wait in order to get the result of the transition. In other words, they aren’t gaining a windfall, they have to work for it. For the non-black to black transition though, all the blacks have to do is show up and act black. And even then, the press, the government, and the legal profession will do all they can to put the blame and costs elsewhere. The same people will do the exact opposite for the non-blacks: “You didn’t build that!” —Obama (speaking to non-black builders of value).

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Almost Missouri

    If you are black, some white developer may come by and make generous offers in your neighborhood, unexpectedly enriching you due to no special effort on your part.


    One way Blacks manage to extract loss from a winning hand is by getting suckered into completely absurd financing terms. Having seen on TV ads many times the Black financial planner explaining matters to the confused White couple, they have arrived at an utterly unrealistic view of their financial acumen. They get talked into interest only ARMs with huge balloon payments and end up getting foreclosed with zero equity.

  94. “It would be extremely difficult to untangle how all the properties in question changed hands”

    On the contrary. The changing ownership of land and building over the years is well documented by local governments.

  95. Since when do black folks go to the beach–except to fight on the boardwalk and get arrested.

  96. in Halakhic Man soloveitchik says that the highest calling is prophecy.

    i agree.

  97. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    As I have said before, Washington was more clued in to this over 200 years ago than you are now. In his letter to the Jews of Newport, he, quoting Scripture, said that in the US “every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and fig tree” ...
     
    I'll separate this bit. We've discussed the George Washington letter--which you love--before. You just don't seem to understand it.

    Washington--a good guy--is just saying he hopes the Jews will be good citizens and be treated well without prejudice by their fellow citizens. Doing their Jewish thing "under his own vine and fig tree"--i.e. in their own business.

    Washington is not suggesting the presence of Jews means they get to define the public culture of the United States or any state, nor that it has to be twisted around to accommodate them, nor that that the normative public culture will be anything other than the existing--mostly Anglo-Protestant--culture, that varied regionally.

    Washington is not David Brooks--glorying the Jews bursting through the oppressive WASP establishment. Washington is the oppressive WASP establishment.

    Basically, his statement here is--sincere and nicely phrased--but the same as mine:
    -- do your own thing privately as a minority
    -- be a good public citizen--which of course entails
    a) accommodating yourself publicly to public norms
    b) being loyal to your fellow citizens
    -- and your fellow citizens will wish you well.

    ~~

    The 2nd thing is Washington's letter is not holy writ. I consider Washington a genuine great man. But that doesn't mean Washington understood everything or got everything right. (No one does. We are humans.)

    In retrospect, it's clear Washington was actually naive about the Jews--or at least the effect of large numbers of eastern Ashkenazi. He did not understand--probably had not thought to much about--the problems associated with having a tribal and majority-hostile religious group, especially a high IQ one. Not the same issue as these questions of varying Christian religious beliefs--and loyalty to Rome--that had bedeviled Europe.

    If Washington could actually see late 20th century Jewish behavior, i suspect his 18th century take on Jews would be quite a bit different.

    Replies: @John Regan, @Reg Cæsar, @Reg Cæsar, @megabar

    …the existing–mostly Anglo-Protestant–culture, that varied regionally.

    And keeps going to war with itself. Leaving certain minorities– Dutch, Germans, Catholics– surprised to be holding the center.

    [MORE]

    Shoot, look at mainline and evangelical Protestants today.

  98. Not really off topic:

    Republican Senator Roger Wicker announced yesterday that he would be willing to nuke Slavic Christian Russia over the Slavic Orthodox Christian Donbass……Moreover, Senator Roger Wicker announced that he is a supporter of Black Lives Matter-two years ago he announced his support…

    American Conservatism 2021:Threatening to mass murder millions of Slavic Orthodox Christian Russians with thermonuclear weapons-in the name of BLACK LIVES MATTER……I think you all need to think about this….

  99. Returning land that was stolen, or confiscated even by legal means at the time, well we call that justice!a

  100. Steve,

    I hope you will comment on the story out of Torrance, CA. that was in the LA Times today.

    https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-12-08/california-attorney-general-to-investigate-torrance-police-after-racist-text-scandal

    Considering that Torrance is 47% white, 18% Latino, 36% Asian, and only 3% black, how does the city have so many black victims?

    • Replies: @Alden
    @guest007

    Probably the 3% blacks commit 40% of the crime. Or why blacks have so much contact with police. Also there’s a huge free county hospital in Torrance Between affirmative action black employees and black patients in that hospital there’s a lot of blacks in that town who don’t live in Torrance

  101. anonymous[830] • Disclaimer says:

    “After all, there weren’t any events that took place between the 1920s and 1948 that might have slowed development of a park there.”

    You just keep making excuses for the theft of black land, and of black labor. You don’t intend to pay any reparations what what is stolen, not at all. Who? Whom? Indeed.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @anonymous


    You don’t intend to pay any reparations what what is stolen
     
    What was stolen was their presence in their ancestral homeland. We will return this to them any time. All they need do is ask.
  102. @nebulafox
    @SFG

    It was partially just the legacy of demographics. That always takes some time to propagate. Until the late 19th Century, the overwhelming majority of Americans were Protestant, meaning the overwhelming majority of politicians were. The resident non-Protestants were Germans and Irish who, as recent immigrants, were legally barred from becoming POTUS anyhow.

    >I expect the purges of white men to have the same effect as those of Jews, and for the same reason. China will get the next big tech advance, whatever it is-think they’re worried about too many of their engineers being Asian?

    I do not put it beyond Beijing to make a concerted effort to poach alienated white/Asian male STEM types from the US, and the way things are going... I mean, yeah, this is an exaggeration, but would you rather have pretty cheerleaders encouraging you to code, or surly, ugly HR commissars?

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Jack D

    I do not put it beyond Beijing to make a concerted effort to poach alienated white/Asian male STEM types from the US,

    The Chinese already make an effort to get Chinese grad students to come home after graduation. And if you look at the Math Olympiad teams from various countries, they really don’t need to recruit white people – there is plenty of Chinese talent. There might have been a time when they were interested but at this point they have mostly caught up and probably would be more worried that whites were going to ideologically infect the Chinese. China is also now discouraging the learning of Engrish for the same reason:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/09/business/china-english.html

    Better to study Xi Jinping Thought instead.

    Which also cuts down on the need for white teachers in China. And the way things are going in China, it’s now a less atttractive place for whites than a few year ago. There were a couple of Canadian whites who were working in China and Canada was holding the daughter of the founder of Huawei on a warrant from the US so China just arrested them on a pretext and held them as hostages for like 3 years. This does not make Westerners want to move to China but frankly they don’t care.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Jack D

    Who said anything about needing it? Stacking the deck with all the scientific talent you can afford is a wise move, and used to be what America did better than anybody. It's not the same immigration game as attracting down-at-heel teachers, let alone fruit pickers or refugees. We should be thankful if they don't do this under Xi's policies-when he dies, who knows?

    Then again, the West is a useful escape valve for children of Chinese elites and bourgeoisie who can potentially cause issues. Those that don't find the system at home odious enough-or do, but decide it is at least more functional than the West-will come home. Those that do can stay abroad.

    Replies: @Jack D

  103. The fact that ‘equity’ really refers to real estate and portfolio equity is one of your great observations Steve.

    • Agree: ic1000
  104. @AnotherDad

    … Elsewhere, too, African Americans and their advocates are pressing communities to reckon with and reconcile a history of housing policies that have disproportionately harmed Black Americans. Black people are far less likely than Whites to own land and homes and the generational wealth that goes with them, and the situation has shown little sign of improvement.
     
    In the net, the United States has been a gigantic funnel of prosperity and wealth from whitesto black people.

    Beyond simply being the timeline in which i exist (pretty important to me!) I derive some modest economic benefit from my ancestors having left Ireland, England, Germany and Scotland and making their life and living in the US. The US is a modest prosperity bump relative to Western Europe.

    For blacks it is a gigantic--over an order of magnitude!--prosperity bump. Living in a white built and run nation instead of Africa, getting their standard of living raised to that which flows from white people's general productivity--and law abidingness--is absolute huge!

    ~~

    Again--it's long past time for being polite about the minoritarian lying, the blood--and economic--libels--directed again and again and again against us deplorable white gentiles.

    We--my people--created the American prosperity that minorities enjoy. Not the other way around. America is nice because we are nice--productive, conscientious, hard-working, high-trust and civic minded.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Jack D

    we are nice–productive, conscientious, hard-working, high-trust and civic minded.

    Which one of those adjectives applied when they put Africans in chains and shipped them across the ocean to be a class of hereditary slaves?

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @74v56ruthiyj
    @Jack D

    Who really cares? Certainly not the virtue-signalers who feign concern for Africans and buy houses in White neighborhoods.

  105. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    As I have said before, Washington was more clued in to this over 200 years ago than you are now. In his letter to the Jews of Newport, he, quoting Scripture, said that in the US “every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and fig tree” ...
     
    I'll separate this bit. We've discussed the George Washington letter--which you love--before. You just don't seem to understand it.

    Washington--a good guy--is just saying he hopes the Jews will be good citizens and be treated well without prejudice by their fellow citizens. Doing their Jewish thing "under his own vine and fig tree"--i.e. in their own business.

    Washington is not suggesting the presence of Jews means they get to define the public culture of the United States or any state, nor that it has to be twisted around to accommodate them, nor that that the normative public culture will be anything other than the existing--mostly Anglo-Protestant--culture, that varied regionally.

    Washington is not David Brooks--glorying the Jews bursting through the oppressive WASP establishment. Washington is the oppressive WASP establishment.

    Basically, his statement here is--sincere and nicely phrased--but the same as mine:
    -- do your own thing privately as a minority
    -- be a good public citizen--which of course entails
    a) accommodating yourself publicly to public norms
    b) being loyal to your fellow citizens
    -- and your fellow citizens will wish you well.

    ~~

    The 2nd thing is Washington's letter is not holy writ. I consider Washington a genuine great man. But that doesn't mean Washington understood everything or got everything right. (No one does. We are humans.)

    In retrospect, it's clear Washington was actually naive about the Jews--or at least the effect of large numbers of eastern Ashkenazi. He did not understand--probably had not thought to much about--the problems associated with having a tribal and majority-hostile religious group, especially a high IQ one. Not the same issue as these questions of varying Christian religious beliefs--and loyalty to Rome--that had bedeviled Europe.

    If Washington could actually see late 20th century Jewish behavior, i suspect his 18th century take on Jews would be quite a bit different.

    Replies: @John Regan, @Reg Cæsar, @Reg Cæsar, @megabar

    By the way, today is the Solemnity of the Immaculate Conception.

    By Pontifical decree, it is the patronal feast day of Argentina, Brazil, Italy, Korea, Nicaragua, Paraguay, the Philippines, Spain, the United States, and Uruguay.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feast_of_the_Immaculate_Conception

    One big difference between us and these others (and half the cantons of Switzerland) as well as St George’s in England and St Pat’s in Ireland:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feast_of_the_Immaculate_Conception#Designation_as_Public_Holiday

    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    @Reg Cæsar

    We should all strive for the Humility and Grace of the Holy Mother.

  106. @Muggles
    The Washington Post (Bezos Post) is the mouthpiece of baizuos who regard POC as their personal pets.

    ("Baizuos" from Chinese for "White Leftists")

    The nonstop cynical Virtue Signaling on their pages is horrifying.

    No one is keeping blacks (or has kept) from going back to their homeland if some feel they are being cheated by staying in the USA. Few do.

    Over educated White people invent new causes they feel they must champion on behalf of the helpless, passive population of blacks (Blacks!) who need special care and attention.

    You can't be a "Massa" unless you have serfs to lord over.

    "And look, how caring and noble I must be!"

    Replies: @Thea

    Every white liberal is Mrs. Jellyby

    • Agree: Alden
  107. @Gary in Gramercy
    @kaganovitch

    The World's Foremost Authority couldn't have said it any better.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CsdRGbQPr0

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    That’s a great clip, thanks.

  108. I wonder if we’re missing a few details on the behavior of the Baileys and their guests.

    My impression of California in 1924 is that while it conformed to the norms of the times, it just wasn’t that racist a place. A biography of Jackie Robinson or somebody I once read commented that, relatively speaking at least, it was a paradise for blacks. My aunt, who was born in 1917 or something, kept class pictures clearly showing she went to an integrated school.

    Anything’s possible, of course — but why should we assume the Baileys were perfectly innocent? Perhaps they were objectively making themselves a nuisance.

    • Replies: @74v56ruthiyj
    @Colin Wright

    According to the Washington Post, the Bruce's were running a "thriving African-American resort". How could that not objectively be a nuisance, or worse?

    Replies: @Anon

  109. Divide the wealth evenly so everyone has the same share, and in a month or two things will look exactly as they did before.

  110. I will read all the comments in a bit after I make my Manhattan. I grew up in the Kensington-Bailey neighborhood of Buffalo. The house I lived in is still occupied and looks to be in decent shape. When my paternal, off the boat, grandfather built it, there was nothing but empty fields around. Slowly, I know this from family photos, more houses were build and at the end of our block, the very imposing Kensington HS was erected. In a large tract of land nearby they built apartment houses, two, three or four bedroom units that we called ‘the projects.’ Some of my HS buddies lived in them. Slowly blacks moved in and Whites, including my then widowed mother, moved out. Same across all of Buffalo. The blacks owned nothing but the city housed them. Same across America. Good, give them all the projects. Let them own them and collect the rent…haha …too funny. Great read, please look this up, is the book “There Are No Children Here” by Alex Kotlowitz about the ‘projects’ in Chicago. Page turning, very informative read. The more you give, the more they want. Meanwhile I am going to start raising mules and have my kids survey out 40 acre parcels. Stay safe.

  111. @Almost Missouri
    @AnotherDad


    The overall pattern is whites win by being first (in a demographic transition) and lose by being last. For blacks it’s the other way around.
     
    That may be the case in during a precipitous demographic transition, but most real estate transactions don't occur in those straightened circumstances.

    You buy a house cuz you need a place to live. Usually you buy near other people like yourself.

    If you are black, some white developer may come by and make generous offers in your neighborhood, unexpectedly enriching you due to no special effort on your part.

    If you are white, some civil-rights-machine-backed black may come by and make offers in your neighborhood, unexpectedly impoverishing you due to no special effort on your part.

    Also, note that all "demographic transitions" are not equal. For the black to non-black transition, the non-blacks have to invest, labor, and wait in order to get the result of the transition. In other words, they aren't gaining a windfall, they have to work for it. For the non-black to black transition though, all the blacks have to do is show up and act black. And even then, the press, the government, and the legal profession will do all they can to put the blame and costs elsewhere. The same people will do the exact opposite for the non-blacks: "You didn't build that!" —Obama (speaking to non-black builders of value).

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    If you are black, some white developer may come by and make generous offers in your neighborhood, unexpectedly enriching you due to no special effort on your part.

    One way Blacks manage to extract loss from a winning hand is by getting suckered into completely absurd financing terms. Having seen on TV ads many times the Black financial planner explaining matters to the confused White couple, they have arrived at an utterly unrealistic view of their financial acumen. They get talked into interest only ARMs with huge balloon payments and end up getting foreclosed with zero equity.

  112. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad


    we are nice–productive, conscientious, hard-working, high-trust and civic minded.
     
    Which one of those adjectives applied when they put Africans in chains and shipped them across the ocean to be a class of hereditary slaves?

    Replies: @74v56ruthiyj

    Who really cares? Certainly not the virtue-signalers who feign concern for Africans and buy houses in White neighborhoods.

  113. @Colin Wright
    I wonder if we're missing a few details on the behavior of the Baileys and their guests.

    My impression of California in 1924 is that while it conformed to the norms of the times, it just wasn't that racist a place. A biography of Jackie Robinson or somebody I once read commented that, relatively speaking at least, it was a paradise for blacks. My aunt, who was born in 1917 or something, kept class pictures clearly showing she went to an integrated school.

    Anything's possible, of course -- but why should we assume the Baileys were perfectly innocent? Perhaps they were objectively making themselves a nuisance.

    Replies: @74v56ruthiyj

    According to the Washington Post, the Bruce’s were running a “thriving African-American resort”. How could that not objectively be a nuisance, or worse?

    • Replies: @Anon
    @74v56ruthiyj

    It was the 1920s when they were forced to sell, right during Prohibition. It sounds a lot like it was an illegal booze joint for blacks. If fact, I'd be amazed if it wasn't an illegal booze joint. Even today, blacks do things like put casinos in their church basements. They have always had lax morals.

  114. @Jack D
    @nebulafox


    I do not put it beyond Beijing to make a concerted effort to poach alienated white/Asian male STEM types from the US,
     
    The Chinese already make an effort to get Chinese grad students to come home after graduation. And if you look at the Math Olympiad teams from various countries, they really don't need to recruit white people - there is plenty of Chinese talent. There might have been a time when they were interested but at this point they have mostly caught up and probably would be more worried that whites were going to ideologically infect the Chinese. China is also now discouraging the learning of Engrish for the same reason:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/09/business/china-english.html

    Better to study Xi Jinping Thought instead.


    Which also cuts down on the need for white teachers in China. And the way things are going in China, it's now a less atttractive place for whites than a few year ago. There were a couple of Canadian whites who were working in China and Canada was holding the daughter of the founder of Huawei on a warrant from the US so China just arrested them on a pretext and held them as hostages for like 3 years. This does not make Westerners want to move to China but frankly they don't care.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    Who said anything about needing it? Stacking the deck with all the scientific talent you can afford is a wise move, and used to be what America did better than anybody. It’s not the same immigration game as attracting down-at-heel teachers, let alone fruit pickers or refugees. We should be thankful if they don’t do this under Xi’s policies-when he dies, who knows?

    Then again, the West is a useful escape valve for children of Chinese elites and bourgeoisie who can potentially cause issues. Those that don’t find the system at home odious enough-or do, but decide it is at least more functional than the West-will come home. Those that do can stay abroad.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @nebulafox

    Chinese companies can and do recruit top Western talent for important positions - chief stylist of a car company, things like that, where they know that their people are not up to snuff enough to sell in Western markets.

    But for run of the mill technical talent (I'm not talking about school teachers ) they are much better off with Chinese who not only speak and read the language (no small thing) but also understand and are down with the culture. Watch the documentary American Factory about a Chinese glass company that buys a glass factory in America - the Americans just can't get with the program anymore. The irony is that the original program was pioneered by American companies like NCR and Hershey. 100 years ago, you would sing the company song every day and your life would revolve around the company and so on and in return for your loyalty the company would reward you with lifetime employment and other perks. Chinese companies are still like this but American just roll their eyes at it - we're too grown up and cynical for that stuff now - corporate America broke its end of the bargain long ago so no one would be so stupid and naive as to dedicate their life to a corporation.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Art Deco

  115. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad


    There can only be one normative public culture
     
    I disagree with this. America has always had all sorts of crazy minorities and regional cultures that cultivated their own public culture. The normative public culture of New Orleans was never like that of Boston. The normative public culture of the Amish was unlike that of the Mormons.

    The assimiilationist idea that we all had to be the same was the product of 20th century mass culture. We all had to go to the same movies and listen to the same radio programs. Big business loved this idea because then they could sell Wheaties to every person in America instead of selling scrapple in PA and grits in Alabama and so on.

    As I have said before, Washington was more clued in to this over 200 years ago than you are now. In his letter to the Jews of Newport, he, quoting Scripture, said that in the US "every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and fig tree" and that the "Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens in giving it on all occasions their effectual support." All you needed to do was to be a good citizen. You didn't have to join the Church or give up your culture (this was more the deal the Austro-Hungarian Empire - there was no limit to how high you could rise as a Jew, but first you had to convert and become "a Hungarian", which meant that you had to be a Catholic.) In America, you could still be a Quaker or a Virginia gentleman or even a Jew and as long as you swore allegience to the flag, what you believed otherwise was none of the government's business.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @SFG, @Colin Wright, @AnotherDad, @AnotherDad, @megabar

    Live-and-let-live only works if it is enforced with power. In a modern democratic nation, that means only if enough people are committed to it. When enough people support integration and equality, it will be become mandated by law, and then you won’t have the choice to be left alone. The people that support radical freedom have become outnumbered in the US.

    The fact that different white settlers could peacefully co-exist in the 1700s does not mean that a modern multiracial society can. The government’s reach was far smaller, and the only people you dealt with were those in your community. Mass media, travel, big business, etc all mean that you are exposed to essentially everyone in your nation, in one form or another, on a regular basis.

    Furthermore, the degree of differences matter. Compatibility and equality are different things. Two different people may be unequal, but compatible. It’s fine to share a society with different people, but not as pleasant to share it with incompatible people.

  116. @anonymous
    "After all, there weren’t any events that took place between the 1920s and 1948 that might have slowed development of a park there."

    You just keep making excuses for the theft of black land, and of black labor. You don't intend to pay any reparations what what is stolen, not at all. Who? Whom? Indeed.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    You don’t intend to pay any reparations what what is stolen

    What was stolen was their presence in their ancestral homeland. We will return this to them any time. All they need do is ask.

  117. @Colin Wright
    @Jack D

    'The assimiilationist idea that we all had to be the same was the product of 20th century mass culture. We all had to go to the same movies and listen to the same radio programs. Big business loved this idea because then they could sell Wheaties to every person in America instead of selling scrapple in PA and grits in Alabama and so on.'

    I can recall assimilationism from my elementary school reader in the mid-sixties. The Italian father can't understand why his son wants a baseball mitt, etc. Look at a movie like Sergeant York. (1940). They manage to work in the 'we're all Americans' theme pretty good there. Ditto for Go for Broke (1951). Hank Greenberg -- 'the Hebrew Hammer.' Etc. Etc.

    The way I see it, it was a way of absorbing all these relatively new immigrant populations into the US. Looking back, it was really ceaseless: Irish are Americans, Jews are Americans, Italians are Americans...even Mexicans are Americans.

    And blacks are just like the rest of us -- of course. It did work to some extent; we all -- at least I do --think of Poles, Irishmen, Italians, etc as 'Americans.' I used to think of Jews as Americans as well, but the Jews themselves seem to be insisting I rethink that. Well. I can. It's hard, but...

    Replies: @Jack D, @Kevin Brook

    Ironically, many of the people who were promoting assimilationism the hardest were Jews – Louis Mayer, Irving Berlin, etc. Who do you think was making those movies?

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Jack D

    'Ironically, many of the people who were promoting assimilationism the hardest were Jews – Louis Mayer, Irving Berlin, etc. Who do you think was making those movies?'

    Indeed. Looking at it historically, Jews always seem to take care to ally themselves with the winning team. In the Byzantine Empire, when the Persians managed to overrun the Levant and Anatolia in the seventh century, guess what? Mamilla Pool time.

    Then the Jews were on team Islam until -- oh, about the eighteenth century. Time to change the record. Put on that 'Judeo-Christian Rag'...

    Poles in the sixteenth and seventeenth century, Hungarians, Austrians, and Germans in the nineteenth, the US in the twentieth...obviously, the song for the moment was 'Americans all.' They're always 'one of us' -- 'us' being the winners of the moment, of course.

    So now, we're suddenly getting 'Jews aren't white.' Okay -- that's not a good sign. But they're the ones making the choice. They'll have to live with the consequences.

    Replies: @Rob

  118. @Classy Classicist
    @kaganovitch

    As cogent and compelling as your hypothesis would appear to be, I have to question how original it is. Have you not, in essence, merely repackaged some of the most basic and fundamental ideas from leading thinkers in critical race theory (CRT) and related intellectual schools within the racial justice milieu? Would it be too cynical to suspect you of plagiarism? Do you even have any legitimate Woke or antiwhite antiracist credentials?

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    You are absolutely right. I’m guilty of centering whiteness. I hereby undertake to do better as an ally and center the BIPOX experience. I also acknowledge that BIPOX people and particularly BIPOX women of a certain weight are staggering under the burden of Emotional Labor they have to do on behalf of White shirkers and malingerers. Did I not fear centering my white guilt and compounding my many sins , I would beat my breast accompanied by much wailing and gnashing of teeth and proclaim “Mea Culpa, Mea MaximaCulpa!”. But I do, so I’ll defer silently to my betters.

    P.S. pro tip – real wokesters don’t use ‘plagiarism’. Plagiarism is what they tried to bring down MLK with. It should be avoided (not the act of course, just the word). The woke-acceptable word is ‘appropriation’. It may be modified with ‘colonialist’ or similar words at your discretion.

  119. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    As I have said before, Washington was more clued in to this over 200 years ago than you are now. In his letter to the Jews of Newport, he, quoting Scripture, said that in the US “every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and fig tree” ...
     
    I'll separate this bit. We've discussed the George Washington letter--which you love--before. You just don't seem to understand it.

    Washington--a good guy--is just saying he hopes the Jews will be good citizens and be treated well without prejudice by their fellow citizens. Doing their Jewish thing "under his own vine and fig tree"--i.e. in their own business.

    Washington is not suggesting the presence of Jews means they get to define the public culture of the United States or any state, nor that it has to be twisted around to accommodate them, nor that that the normative public culture will be anything other than the existing--mostly Anglo-Protestant--culture, that varied regionally.

    Washington is not David Brooks--glorying the Jews bursting through the oppressive WASP establishment. Washington is the oppressive WASP establishment.

    Basically, his statement here is--sincere and nicely phrased--but the same as mine:
    -- do your own thing privately as a minority
    -- be a good public citizen--which of course entails
    a) accommodating yourself publicly to public norms
    b) being loyal to your fellow citizens
    -- and your fellow citizens will wish you well.

    ~~

    The 2nd thing is Washington's letter is not holy writ. I consider Washington a genuine great man. But that doesn't mean Washington understood everything or got everything right. (No one does. We are humans.)

    In retrospect, it's clear Washington was actually naive about the Jews--or at least the effect of large numbers of eastern Ashkenazi. He did not understand--probably had not thought to much about--the problems associated with having a tribal and majority-hostile religious group, especially a high IQ one. Not the same issue as these questions of varying Christian religious beliefs--and loyalty to Rome--that had bedeviled Europe.

    If Washington could actually see late 20th century Jewish behavior, i suspect his 18th century take on Jews would be quite a bit different.

    Replies: @John Regan, @Reg Cæsar, @Reg Cæsar, @megabar

    One thing that constantly confounds reasonable people is the effect of thresholds. Thresholds are everywhere in complex matters, and they limit our ability to predict how something will go.

    If groups A and B get along, will A and C? Well, it depends. Over a certain threshold of differences, you could have very different results.

    If 1 million people of group A lives in peace with 100 million of group B, then will it change if group A grows to 10 or 50 million? Well, it depends; in this case there are two possible thresholds. If group A has different enough values, then it might start to cause friction when it acquires enough political power.

    If we consider the US, then I think it’s fair to say that the various European people immigration to the US through the 18th-20th centuries did integrate pretty well. Irish, German, Slavic, and Italian people are all different, but they are similar enough to the English (at least among the subset that migrated to the US) that it worked well enough. Wealth gaps were manageable enough to not cause resentment, and the people were similar enough that self-segregation was minimal, keeping ethnic tribalism lower than American tribalism.

    But none of that means that other groups will or can follow the same arc.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @megabar

    I notice you didn't mention the Jews.

    Actually, many of the groups that we now think of as being OK were at the time that they came considered to be smelly, drunken foreign savages loyal to a foreign authority (the Pope). The Irish, the Italians, even the Swedes were held in very low regard when they first showed up. This does not mean that someday Salvadorans and Nigerians will also be highly regarded. As I said before, I think it is hilarious to think that just because de-diversifying the Jews out of German big business hurt their bottom line, therefore adding blacks to American corporations will help ours. In case you haven't noticed, not all ethnic groups have the same talent. Jews make terrible cornerbacks.

    But don't whitewash the past and think that immigrants were always considered to be compatible or welcomed with open arms (except by the mine owners and railroad builders and such who welcomed them as cheap labor).

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @megabar

  120. This just in:

    It has been found that Kwama Kinte, sailing a reed raft, planted a flag in Florida in 13,000 BC. Ipso facto, all of America must be handed back to the Blacks! immediately.

  121. @nebulafox
    @Jack D

    Who said anything about needing it? Stacking the deck with all the scientific talent you can afford is a wise move, and used to be what America did better than anybody. It's not the same immigration game as attracting down-at-heel teachers, let alone fruit pickers or refugees. We should be thankful if they don't do this under Xi's policies-when he dies, who knows?

    Then again, the West is a useful escape valve for children of Chinese elites and bourgeoisie who can potentially cause issues. Those that don't find the system at home odious enough-or do, but decide it is at least more functional than the West-will come home. Those that do can stay abroad.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Chinese companies can and do recruit top Western talent for important positions – chief stylist of a car company, things like that, where they know that their people are not up to snuff enough to sell in Western markets.

    But for run of the mill technical talent (I’m not talking about school teachers ) they are much better off with Chinese who not only speak and read the language (no small thing) but also understand and are down with the culture. Watch the documentary American Factory about a Chinese glass company that buys a glass factory in America – the Americans just can’t get with the program anymore. The irony is that the original program was pioneered by American companies like NCR and Hershey. 100 years ago, you would sing the company song every day and your life would revolve around the company and so on and in return for your loyalty the company would reward you with lifetime employment and other perks. Chinese companies are still like this but American just roll their eyes at it – we’re too grown up and cynical for that stuff now – corporate America broke its end of the bargain long ago so no one would be so stupid and naive as to dedicate their life to a corporation.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
    @Jack D


    The irony is that the original program was pioneered by American companies like NCR and Hershey. 100 years ago, you would sing the company song every day and your life would revolve around the company and so on and in return for your loyalty the company would reward you with lifetime employment and other perks. Chinese companies are still like this but American just roll their eyes at it – we’re too grown up and cynical for that stuff now – corporate America broke its end of the bargain long ago so no one would be so stupid and naive as to dedicate their life to a corporation.
     
    In China, paying lip service is almost a genetic adaptation. Think about generation after generation, for thousands of years, who shied away from anything resembling lese majeste, lest they and literally everyone they know share in this fate:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_familial_exterminations

    Everyone pledges undying loyalty to the state and the powers that be. And yet, tax evasion, civil service corruption and bribery are almost national pastimes, all the way to the top:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jun/29/china-bloomberg-xi-jinping

    Job hopping in China is a much bigger problem than pretty much anywhere else in the world, if anecdotal snippets are anything to go by:

    Job-hopping is now a buzzword for young Chinese-those in their 20s, in particular, change jobs more frequently than previous generations.

    More than 60 percent of the post-1990 generation stayed in their first job for less than a year after graduating from university, and, among them, 38 percent changed jobs in less than six months, according to a news report by the China Youth Daily in late 2017.

    Wang Yin, a 25-year-old Shaanxi native, describes herself as typical of the post-1990 generation-full of ideas, unsettled, with the urge to learn more.

    Within a year, she had changed jobs three times.
     
    , @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    The irony is that the original program was pioneered by American companies like NCR and Hershey. 100 years ago, you would sing the company song every day and your life would revolve around the company and so on and in return for your loyalty the company would reward you with lifetime employment and other perks.

    You've confused America in 1920 with Japan in 1980.

    Replies: @Jack D

  122. Anon[179] • Disclaimer says:
    @Indiana Jack
    If anyone who lost their land or homes involuntarily through eminent domain are now entitled to reparations or the return of their land, then the sort of white people who voted for Trump are likely to be the greatest beneficiaries. This has been going on for generations, with huge numbers of people displaced. National and state Parks, military bases, and dams have displaced thousands over the years, often with compensation that pales in comparison with what the land is worth today. The establishment of the Tennessee Valley Authority, for example, resulted in the displacement of at least 125,000 people across the South in order to construct dams and power plants, in some cases resulting in entire towns being destroyed.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEy6EuZp9IY

    Replies: @Anon

    ‘…. If anyone who lost their land or homes involuntarily through eminent domain are now entitled to reparations or the return of their land, then the sort of white people who voted for Trump are likely to be the greatest beneficiaries.…..’

    Imagine how much the land of Camp Pendleton in SoCal is now worth

  123. @Hypnotoad666
    @Hypnotoad666

    Fun fact: According to this calculator (http://www.moneychimp.com/features/market_cagr.htm), each dollar invested in the stock market in 1924, with continuously reinvested dividends, would be worth $1,188.03 today.

    Replies: @Barnard, @lavoisier

    Exclude the dividend reinvestment and you get \$425.30 per dollar, which is realistic, you can’t expect a couple to leave this completely untouched over an entire lifetime unless they had developed wealth independent of it. Spending the dividends while leaving the investment untouched would be a smart planning move while allowing for some fun spending.

  124. @megabar
    @AnotherDad

    One thing that constantly confounds reasonable people is the effect of thresholds. Thresholds are everywhere in complex matters, and they limit our ability to predict how something will go.

    If groups A and B get along, will A and C? Well, it depends. Over a certain threshold of differences, you could have very different results.

    If 1 million people of group A lives in peace with 100 million of group B, then will it change if group A grows to 10 or 50 million? Well, it depends; in this case there are two possible thresholds. If group A has different enough values, then it might start to cause friction when it acquires enough political power.

    If we consider the US, then I think it's fair to say that the various European people immigration to the US through the 18th-20th centuries did integrate pretty well. Irish, German, Slavic, and Italian people are all different, but they are similar enough to the English (at least among the subset that migrated to the US) that it worked well enough. Wealth gaps were manageable enough to not cause resentment, and the people were similar enough that self-segregation was minimal, keeping ethnic tribalism lower than American tribalism.

    But none of that means that other groups will or can follow the same arc.

    Replies: @Jack D

    I notice you didn’t mention the Jews.

    Actually, many of the groups that we now think of as being OK were at the time that they came considered to be smelly, drunken foreign savages loyal to a foreign authority (the Pope). The Irish, the Italians, even the Swedes were held in very low regard when they first showed up. This does not mean that someday Salvadorans and Nigerians will also be highly regarded. As I said before, I think it is hilarious to think that just because de-diversifying the Jews out of German big business hurt their bottom line, therefore adding blacks to American corporations will help ours. In case you haven’t noticed, not all ethnic groups have the same talent. Jews make terrible cornerbacks.

    But don’t whitewash the past and think that immigrants were always considered to be compatible or welcomed with open arms (except by the mine owners and railroad builders and such who welcomed them as cheap labor).

    • Agree: Colin Wright, Alden
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Jack D

    'Actually, many of the groups that we now think of as being OK were at the time that they came considered to be smelly, drunken foreign savages loyal to a foreign authority (the Pope). The Irish, the Italians, even the Swedes were held in very low regard when they first showed up. This does not mean that someday Salvadorans and Nigerians will also be highly regarded, but don’t whitewash the past and think that immigrants were always considered to be compatible or welcomed with open arms (except by the mine owners and railroad builders and such who welcomed them as cheap labor).'

    Indeed. Specifically, I recall reading some turn of the century material that implied the author didn't think of Italians as white.

    Fast forward to H.A. Covington's White Nationalist novels. At least two of them are very good -- but in one of them, a Sicilian is among those fighting the good fight for whiteness.

    Obviously, something changed.

    , @megabar
    @Jack D

    > But don’t whitewash the past and think that immigrants were always considered to be compatible or welcomed with open arms

    I didn't. I'm not talking about perceived compatibility; I'm talking about actual compatibility.

  125. @Pat Hannagan
    Just finished watching Breaking Bad with my boy, born beyond its time.

    Steve, if you post three unequivocally pro-White racial posts in succession I'll contribute $300 to your blog.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLoWd2KyUro

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Mike Tre

    ‘…Steve, if you post three unequivocally pro-White racial posts in succession I’ll contribute \$300 to your blog.’

    Lol. This does open new frontiers in fund-raising.

  126. @Tiny Duck
    @Altai

    The land was forcibly taken from the Bruce family simply because they were black. Bravo Bruce family for getting it back. Bravo California for taking on the project of reparations. Only by righting the wrongs that can be documented are we going to move beyond our shameful past. The effort to research and prove these cases is well worth it.

    Just because something is "legal and legitimate" doesn't mean it was proper. They took it and then did nothing with it, so it seems the only reason they took it was because the owners were black.

    We Dems are on greased skids heading down an ice covered mountain toward a catastrophic Midterm. Issues such as 'Defund the Police' 'CRT' 'Free College' 'Cost of living monthly paychecks' 'Climate Change' 'Cancel culture' and various demands pouring in from far left groups are scaring the hell out of the suburban women and Independents who carried Joe Biden to victory last year. See Virginia.

    I just hope the "Message" and "Messaging" around Blacks reclaiming land from Whites doesn't alienate even more voters. This hyper divided country can't agree on what day of the week it is.

    We need to take a more measured approach and introduce positive change gradually.

    Replies: @TWS, @Buffalo Joe, @Anon Anon

    Someone needs to check on the Duck. I’m worried some imposter has taken his account.

  127. @Jack D
    @megabar

    I notice you didn't mention the Jews.

    Actually, many of the groups that we now think of as being OK were at the time that they came considered to be smelly, drunken foreign savages loyal to a foreign authority (the Pope). The Irish, the Italians, even the Swedes were held in very low regard when they first showed up. This does not mean that someday Salvadorans and Nigerians will also be highly regarded. As I said before, I think it is hilarious to think that just because de-diversifying the Jews out of German big business hurt their bottom line, therefore adding blacks to American corporations will help ours. In case you haven't noticed, not all ethnic groups have the same talent. Jews make terrible cornerbacks.

    But don't whitewash the past and think that immigrants were always considered to be compatible or welcomed with open arms (except by the mine owners and railroad builders and such who welcomed them as cheap labor).

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @megabar

    ‘Actually, many of the groups that we now think of as being OK were at the time that they came considered to be smelly, drunken foreign savages loyal to a foreign authority (the Pope). The Irish, the Italians, even the Swedes were held in very low regard when they first showed up. This does not mean that someday Salvadorans and Nigerians will also be highly regarded, but don’t whitewash the past and think that immigrants were always considered to be compatible or welcomed with open arms (except by the mine owners and railroad builders and such who welcomed them as cheap labor).’

    Indeed. Specifically, I recall reading some turn of the century material that implied the author didn’t think of Italians as white.

    Fast forward to H.A. Covington’s White Nationalist novels. At least two of them are very good — but in one of them, a Sicilian is among those fighting the good fight for whiteness.

    Obviously, something changed.

  128. @SFG
    @Jack D

    There’s never been a serious Jewish presidential candidate, and no Catholic until 1960. Until recently the American elite was pretty WASPy.

    Not saying that was necessarily bad-we seem to have gone downhill since the 1960s-but there definitely were limits. Of course it was better for religious minorities than any other Western country. (Canada?)

    You can tolerate, and should probably expect, some heterogeneity in a country this size. But you have to have something in common, which is being torn down these days.

    Replies: @Pixo

    Barry Goldwater was half Jewish and Kerry is 1/4 Jewish. That’s outperforming most white ethnicities.

    Really there is a giant over representation of British stock in national politics, and every other large group consequently underrepresented.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Pixo


    Really there is a giant over representation of British stock in national politics, and every other large group consequently underrepresented.
     
    The opposite of Latin America, where anyone-but-an-Iberian is preferred. From O'Higgins to Kubitschek to Fox to Fujimori.
    , @Art Deco
    @Pixo

    Both of Richard Kerry's parents were Austrian Jewish; that datum was filed away and forgotten in the family. In re his children, it was the maternal side of the family which mattered (and which paid for son John's schooling).

    As for other ethnics: Ted Cruz (Canarian / Cuban / Irish / Italian), Marco Rubio (Cuban), John Kasich (Slav), Rick Santorum (Italian), Alan Keyes (black), Pat Buchanan (Irish), Paul Tsongas (Greek), Tom Harkin (Irish / Slav), Jesse Jackson (black), Walter Mondale (Scandinavian).



    When you look at the biographies of consequential presidential candidates, what hits you is the prevalence of Harvard or Yale. See Ted Cruz (Harvard), Hillary Clinton (Yale), Mitt Romney (Harvard), Barack Obama (Harvard), John Kerry (Yale), Howard Dean (Yale), George W. Bush (Harvard and Yale), Albert Gore (Harvard), Alan Keyes (Harvard), Bilge Clinton (Yale), Paul Tsongas (Harvard and Yale), George HW Bush (Yale), Michael Dukakis (Harvard), Pat Robertson (Yale), Gary Hart (Yale), Ted Kennedy (Harvard), John Anderson (Harvard), Gerald Ford (Yale), Robert Kennedy (Harvard), William Scranton (Yale), John Kennedy (Harvard), Stuart Symington (Yale), Averill Harriman (Yale), Estes Kefauver (Yale), Robert Taft (Harvard and Yale),

  129. @Jack D
    @Colin Wright

    Ironically, many of the people who were promoting assimilationism the hardest were Jews - Louis Mayer, Irving Berlin, etc. Who do you think was making those movies?

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘Ironically, many of the people who were promoting assimilationism the hardest were Jews – Louis Mayer, Irving Berlin, etc. Who do you think was making those movies?’

    Indeed. Looking at it historically, Jews always seem to take care to ally themselves with the winning team. In the Byzantine Empire, when the Persians managed to overrun the Levant and Anatolia in the seventh century, guess what? Mamilla Pool time.

    Then the Jews were on team Islam until — oh, about the eighteenth century. Time to change the record. Put on that ‘Judeo-Christian Rag’…

    Poles in the sixteenth and seventeenth century, Hungarians, Austrians, and Germans in the nineteenth, the US in the twentieth…obviously, the song for the moment was ‘Americans all.’ They’re always ‘one of us’ — ‘us’ being the winners of the moment, of course.

    So now, we’re suddenly getting ‘Jews aren’t white.’ Okay — that’s not a good sign. But they’re the ones making the choice. They’ll have to live with the consequences.

    • Replies: @Rob
    @Colin Wright

    It boggles the mind that POC non-Jews are just letting Jews direct their revolution. Unlike blacks, Jews have a first-world ethnostate waiting for them. If the revolution goes well, Jews, not NAMs, will be in charge. The revolution goes badly, and blacks will be stuck here for the horrible aftermath.

    Surely blacks also notice that corporate America imports Indian Brahmin to meet the melanin content requirements of whatever industry. Surely blacks have also noticed that Indians like Saira Rao have jumped to the front of the parade. I just checked Saira Rao’s Wikipedia page. It does not sound positive to me, but it occurs to me that she had friends write it so that she looked like a fierce opponent of AWFLs’ support of the cishetetoleukopatriarchy.

    It occurred to me that only rarely have intelligent people used their intelligence in ways that led to better lives for anyone. Lawyers and engineers are both intelligent professions, but the former have a much worse reputation than the latter, who are stereotyped as Dilbert-esque dorks. Before Britain took off, how much brainpower was dedicated to, say, increasing crop yields vs staying on top of the heap of dung-covered peasants?

    Techno-capitalism was supposed to channel everyone’s greed and self-interest into improving the lives of other people. Smart guy invents a doohickey. Another smart guy writes the patent. A third smart guy gets rich guys to pony up the money and builds a doohickey factory. Doohickey factory employs hundreds, becoming the anchor of a town that grows around it. It seems that today several smart guys are trying to get a cut without contributing very much. It also hurts bigly that the factory is built in a low-wage country, though I guess that’s good for the poor, now less poor, factory workers.

    Like Rao is not a “build a factory using my awesome brain” type of smart person. She is more a “use other peoples’ ethics against them to gain resources for me” kind of person. Living off exploiting someone’s spiritual/ethical beliefs is probably the core competency of the Brahmin caste, come to think about it. It seems that there used to be people, even people who parachuted in from afar who tried to get ”their” people to do things like drink less, save money, not be all shooty in the streets, etc. Like the founder of the Nation of Islam, Wallace Fard Muhammad. He was prolly a Paki from New Zealand. After some time selling heroin and doing some time for selling heroin, he set himself up as a prophet to American blacks. He was very much not a “give me money so I can guilt white people into giving us more stuff” sort of person. He thought “his fellow” African Americans could pull themselves up.

    Not Rao. Not the newly-of-color Red Jews. No community spirit. In Rao’s case, she does nothing to help anyone but herself, charging AWFLs five thousand dollars a pop to be yelled at on a group Zoom call. If the people behind Antifa had any interest in helping their footsoldiers improve their lives, they would do things like encouraging them to stop smoking meth and live as their birth sex. That last one would be a biggie, judging from Andy Ngo’s Twitter feed.

    Despite being very verbal, I think there is something to PhysicistDave’s “verbally adept parasites” theory. It really takes a particular, and fragile system to get verbal people to use their powers for good instead of evil.

    With blacks, a lot of verbally adept people have convinced them that their problem is white racism. From the white side, though, it really looks like blacks’ behavior causes the racism. The verbal people do it to live off white guilt/Jewish revolutionary fervor, but it definitely means they do more harm than good. Come to think of it, blacks overall have a fairly strong tilt towards the verbal end of intelligence. Maybe eugenically “improving” blacks would just lead to better grifters?

    It’s like these people think whites are hogging the output of the magic cargo machine. In reality, whites are the magic cargo machine. If you break it, you don’t get the cargo. You live off the ruins of the old order, then you starve, eating grass until the new, more fascist order takes charge.

  130. @Reg Cæsar
    @AnotherDad

    By the way, today is the Solemnity of the Immaculate Conception.


    By Pontifical decree, it is the patronal feast day of Argentina, Brazil, Italy, Korea, Nicaragua, Paraguay, the Philippines, Spain, the United States, and Uruguay.


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feast_of_the_Immaculate_Conception
     
    One big difference between us and these others (and half the cantons of Switzerland) as well as St George's in England and St Pat's in Ireland:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feast_of_the_Immaculate_Conception#Designation_as_Public_Holiday



    https://www.ncronline.org/sites/default/files/styles/article_full_width/public/20181207T0807-22645-CNS-IMMACULATE-CONCEPTION-HOLY-DAY.jpg?itok=h8PURHB2

    Replies: @Ron Mexico

    We should all strive for the Humility and Grace of the Holy Mother.

  131. Anonymous[283] • Disclaimer says:

    “Of course, no white landowners in American history ever suffered financial setbacks due to black riots and muggings.”

    Hearing you moaning about muh Whites losing significantly as a result of Blacks rioting reminds me of the story of German historians.

    The leftist, DDR or Die Linke types were apologizing for all the attacks that Russia has suffered, from Germans and others.

    The rightist, CSU or NSDP types retorted “if Russia is much under historical waves of attacks, why is it so damn big?”

    US Whites are richer than their Aussies, Brits and Canadians cousins. Why are Whites so rich in America, if they are uniquely under material attacks from Blacks?

  132. @Arclight
    My local paper just has a piece today bemoaning how a handful of growing neighborhoods are becoming more white and less minority, mostly because blacks are selling and moving out. One neighborhood the paper notes was just 2% black in 1960, then went to 87% black in 1983, and is now 50% black and dropping. I'm not a math major, but based on that data it seems that if one should be alarmed at rapidly changing demographics, the 1960-1983 period was far more damaging in terms of change than the following 38 years. Obviously we are not going to talk about that.

    Interestingly, the only negative comments are from local academics whereas the black residents are not particularly perturbed. One notes that the changes have led to some new community amenities that he likes and think will make it a better place and that he has bought up a few lots for development, and another just comments that the turnover is from short-sighted heirs of the original owners who are cashing out.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Arc, the Buffalo Medical Corridor in the black Fruit Belt neighborhood where blacks can now sell a house for \$200k . Same house wouldn’t bring you \$40k six years ago. But enough about creating wealth.

  133. @Dr. X

    Her group is turning its attention to a tract of land in Cleveland now partly owned by the Cleveland Clinic that activists say rightfully belongs to former businessman Winston E. Willis. As with the Bruce case in California, advocates say, Willis was deprived not just of his property but also of decades of potential prosperity
     
    "Decades of potential prosperity" on the east side of Cleveland?

    LOL

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Reg Cæsar

    Dr X, the Cleveland Clinic is the prosperity driver in Cleveland, largest employer and probably hires more blacks than any other business.

  134. @Hypnotoad666
    @nebulafox


    I do not put it beyond Beijing to make a concerted effort to poach alienated white/Asian male STEM types from the US, and the way things are going… I mean, yeah, this is an exaggeration, but would you rather have pretty cheerleaders encouraging you to code, or surly, ugly HR commissars?
     
    That is actually not a bad idea. The next "ghost city" that the Chinese build should be like a theme park for white male refugees. It could be a replica of 1950's Mad Man era Manhattan. But no HR departments, no wokeness, and the only "diversity" is lots of attractive Asian women. I don't think they would have too much trouble recruiting.

    Replies: @AV Club Sandwich

    >attractive
    >Chinese women
    Anime has warped your brain.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @AV Club Sandwich



    >attractive
    >Chinese women
     
    Anime has warped your brain.
     
    Asian brains are oftenwarped themselves:


    Man, mother held for beheading pregnant sister who eloped and married

    Man Beheads Pregnant Sister With a Sickle, Then Poses for a Selfie With Her Remains, Police Say

    With a sickle! Do they need white men to swoop in and remind them of the proper use of that instrument?



    https://youtu.be/nyf6NsNz0Mw
  135. @Tiny Duck
    @Altai

    The land was forcibly taken from the Bruce family simply because they were black. Bravo Bruce family for getting it back. Bravo California for taking on the project of reparations. Only by righting the wrongs that can be documented are we going to move beyond our shameful past. The effort to research and prove these cases is well worth it.

    Just because something is "legal and legitimate" doesn't mean it was proper. They took it and then did nothing with it, so it seems the only reason they took it was because the owners were black.

    We Dems are on greased skids heading down an ice covered mountain toward a catastrophic Midterm. Issues such as 'Defund the Police' 'CRT' 'Free College' 'Cost of living monthly paychecks' 'Climate Change' 'Cancel culture' and various demands pouring in from far left groups are scaring the hell out of the suburban women and Independents who carried Joe Biden to victory last year. See Virginia.

    I just hope the "Message" and "Messaging" around Blacks reclaiming land from Whites doesn't alienate even more voters. This hyper divided country can't agree on what day of the week it is.

    We need to take a more measured approach and introduce positive change gradually.

    Replies: @TWS, @Buffalo Joe, @Anon Anon

    TD, who the fuck forced you to write this? Blink twice if you are being held captive.

  136. @Jack D
    @nebulafox

    Chinese companies can and do recruit top Western talent for important positions - chief stylist of a car company, things like that, where they know that their people are not up to snuff enough to sell in Western markets.

    But for run of the mill technical talent (I'm not talking about school teachers ) they are much better off with Chinese who not only speak and read the language (no small thing) but also understand and are down with the culture. Watch the documentary American Factory about a Chinese glass company that buys a glass factory in America - the Americans just can't get with the program anymore. The irony is that the original program was pioneered by American companies like NCR and Hershey. 100 years ago, you would sing the company song every day and your life would revolve around the company and so on and in return for your loyalty the company would reward you with lifetime employment and other perks. Chinese companies are still like this but American just roll their eyes at it - we're too grown up and cynical for that stuff now - corporate America broke its end of the bargain long ago so no one would be so stupid and naive as to dedicate their life to a corporation.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Art Deco

    The irony is that the original program was pioneered by American companies like NCR and Hershey. 100 years ago, you would sing the company song every day and your life would revolve around the company and so on and in return for your loyalty the company would reward you with lifetime employment and other perks. Chinese companies are still like this but American just roll their eyes at it – we’re too grown up and cynical for that stuff now – corporate America broke its end of the bargain long ago so no one would be so stupid and naive as to dedicate their life to a corporation.

    In China, paying lip service is almost a genetic adaptation. Think about generation after generation, for thousands of years, who shied away from anything resembling lese majeste, lest they and literally everyone they know share in this fate:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_familial_exterminations

    Everyone pledges undying loyalty to the state and the powers that be. And yet, tax evasion, civil service corruption and bribery are almost national pastimes, all the way to the top:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jun/29/china-bloomberg-xi-jinping

    Job hopping in China is a much bigger problem than pretty much anywhere else in the world, if anecdotal snippets are anything to go by:

    Job-hopping is now a buzzword for young Chinese-those in their 20s, in particular, change jobs more frequently than previous generations.

    More than 60 percent of the post-1990 generation stayed in their first job for less than a year after graduating from university, and, among them, 38 percent changed jobs in less than six months, according to a news report by the China Youth Daily in late 2017.

    Wang Yin, a 25-year-old Shaanxi native, describes herself as typical of the post-1990 generation-full of ideas, unsettled, with the urge to learn more.

    Within a year, she had changed jobs three times.

  137. Can’t pull the trigger, yet, on this year’s contribution.

    You’ve just gone totally AWOL on the great issue of the day: covid – which used to obsess you.

    What’s up with that?

  138. @Jack D
    @megabar

    I notice you didn't mention the Jews.

    Actually, many of the groups that we now think of as being OK were at the time that they came considered to be smelly, drunken foreign savages loyal to a foreign authority (the Pope). The Irish, the Italians, even the Swedes were held in very low regard when they first showed up. This does not mean that someday Salvadorans and Nigerians will also be highly regarded. As I said before, I think it is hilarious to think that just because de-diversifying the Jews out of German big business hurt their bottom line, therefore adding blacks to American corporations will help ours. In case you haven't noticed, not all ethnic groups have the same talent. Jews make terrible cornerbacks.

    But don't whitewash the past and think that immigrants were always considered to be compatible or welcomed with open arms (except by the mine owners and railroad builders and such who welcomed them as cheap labor).

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @megabar

    > But don’t whitewash the past and think that immigrants were always considered to be compatible or welcomed with open arms

    I didn’t. I’m not talking about perceived compatibility; I’m talking about actual compatibility.

  139. what happens to black-owned land in africa oh right it becomes chinese

  140. It seems some other group might have an earlier claim to all this land. Where is Fauxahontus when her people most need her?

  141. @Intelligent Dasein
    If we can prescind from the blackety-blackety-black angle for a moment, this might be a good time to discuss that eminent domain has always been rife with abuses. It's not a good thing to have around.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    If we can prescind from the blackety-blackety-black angle for a moment, this might be a good time to discuss that eminent domain has always been rife with abuses. It’s not a good thing to have around.

    You wouldn’t want to live in a world without it. There would be virtually no new development if the government had to negotiate a sale price with everyone along the path of a new road, street, or highway. And without new roads, streets, and highways, no one is going to build new housing (how would you get to and from your new home?).

    If you see abuses, they should be remedied. But the government absolutely must be able to take property for public use with just compensation.

    • Replies: @Boomthorkell
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    I would say that if eminent domain must be kept, it should have much stricter applications with a much higher price tag.

    I'm saying this as a guy who wants to completely abolish suburbs and reform society into ultra-dense medieval townships/cities with clearly zoned rural areas surrounding each 1/2-2 sq. mile walled city of 3,000 people.

  142. OT. Waukesha WI. Black 14 year old thug carjacked and sexual assaulted an 87 year old woman outside a city library. This thug is a member of an upstanding civil service black family. Thug is the nephew of Cavalier Johnson. City of Milwaukee Alderman and candidate for Mayor

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Alden

    https://city.milwaukee.gov/CommonCouncil/Council-Members/District2/AldermanBio

    It appears he's held a series of patronage jobs, not civil service jobs. They look like wheel-spinning positions. His parents had ordinary service jobs that blacks commonly occupy, so, no, he's not from a 'civil service family'.

    https://milwaukeecourieronline.com/index.php/2020/04/25/cavalier-chevy-johnson-elected-president-of-the-common-council/

  143. @War for Blair Mountain
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I don’t with what you wrote…..and what you wrote is also quite stupid.In Spain pre-WW2 Land Reform was a legitimate issue for the peasant class….and other places such as feudal Russia and feudal Poland…..and Wat Tyler’s Rev0lt…..and the War for Blair Mountain…

    And what’s really stupid about your franework is that the post-WW2 anti-commie crusade was a direct road to integration…onto the 1964 Civil Rights Act…1965 Immigration Reform Act was a direct consequence of 1965…onto White Genocide in 2024….

    Underlying it all is Mega-CEO power…the force that was behind Carter-Reagan Death Squad Power in Latin America. In 2022…this same corporate power has weaponized Negros against the Native White Working Class Americans….

    You might as well say Reagan was a great POTUS because his administration scaled up Carter’s death squad policy in Latin America….Reagan literally imported ms-13 in America and implemented a proto-H1B..L1 B visa program….

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Complete bullshit. You know little tiny bits of history but don’t get any big picture.

    Oh, 2 things happened at the same time (integration and the Cold War), so of course they are related. Idiocy! Please don’t waste my time writing back again. You and Corvinus can be my 2 “must-skip”s.

    • Replies: @War for Blair Mountain
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Ignoramus….books have been written about this….

  144. @Occasional lurker
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Don't lump all people who call themselves communists together (most aren't). The type of 3rd world ex-colonial "land reform" where land is expropriated to give it to private citizens hasn't anything at all todo with communism. True communists would keep large profitable productive landholdings together as collective professionally run enterprises, not split them up into tiny private subsistance farmer lots. Enriching themselves was clearly not the goal of the GDR (German Democratic Republic)'s nomenclatura, and they didn't (compared to western "elites"), any property taken was collectivized.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    O.L, these people pushing for the confiscation of the White man’s property DON’T call themselves Communists, though. There are no true Communists who actually DO anything. The true Communists are the ones who pound their fists on the table at the Vienna and Berkeley coffee hauses, and occasionally get to rule until things fall completely freaking apart economically.

    It doesn’t work see, but it’s much to late to repair the societies that they’ve destroyed once they learn this (if ever).

  145. @Pixo
    @SFG

    Barry Goldwater was half Jewish and Kerry is 1/4 Jewish. That's outperforming most white ethnicities.

    Really there is a giant over representation of British stock in national politics, and every other large group consequently underrepresented.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Art Deco

    Really there is a giant over representation of British stock in national politics, and every other large group consequently underrepresented.

    The opposite of Latin America, where anyone-but-an-Iberian is preferred. From O’Higgins to Kubitschek to Fox to Fujimori.

  146. @fnn
    @Achmed E. Newman

    In the 1968 campaign, George Wallace actually said that land reform would be the next item on the Democrat-Commie agenda in the US and everyone thought he was nuts. He was just ahead of his time.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @SunBakedSuburb

    Yep, and 4 years before that my man Barry AuH20 was just as “nuts”, Fnn. Had Americans not been so stupid to believe that Socialist Scumbag who gives the great State of Texas a bad name, that HE was Mr. Peacenik, we’d have staved off the destruction of this country by one, maybe two, generations.

  147. @Dr. X

    Her group is turning its attention to a tract of land in Cleveland now partly owned by the Cleveland Clinic that activists say rightfully belongs to former businessman Winston E. Willis. As with the Bruce case in California, advocates say, Willis was deprived not just of his property but also of decades of potential prosperity
     
    "Decades of potential prosperity" on the east side of Cleveland?

    LOL

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Reg Cæsar

    “Decades of potential prosperity” on the east side of Cleveland?

    Sure. Where the Western Reserve Connecticut Yankees still live. They’re not afraid of a little snow.

    [MORE]

  148. @guest007
    Steve,

    I hope you will comment on the story out of Torrance, CA. that was in the LA Times today.

    https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-12-08/california-attorney-general-to-investigate-torrance-police-after-racist-text-scandal

    Considering that Torrance is 47% white, 18% Latino, 36% Asian, and only 3% black, how does the city have so many black victims?

    Replies: @Alden

    Probably the 3% blacks commit 40% of the crime. Or why blacks have so much contact with police. Also there’s a huge free county hospital in Torrance Between affirmative action black employees and black patients in that hospital there’s a lot of blacks in that town who don’t live in Torrance

  149. @fnn
    @Achmed E. Newman

    In the 1968 campaign, George Wallace actually said that land reform would be the next item on the Democrat-Commie agenda in the US and everyone thought he was nuts. He was just ahead of his time.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @SunBakedSuburb

    “George Wallace”

    Who survived an assassination attempt whilst running as a Dixiecrat candidate for president in 1972. His presence in the race revived the Nixon Team fear from 1968 that the conservative vote would be split, resulting in a win for pansy poet George McGovern. The would-be assassin was Arthur Bremer, another king-killer with a sketchy past, like James Earl Ray and Sirhan Sirhan. Shortly after Bremer’s arrest Nixon and Charles Colson dispatched E. Howard Hunt to Milwaukee to enter Bremer’s apartment and plant McGovern campaign literature. This is why I love Richard M. Nixon. The dude played serious hardball throughout his political career, and ran espionage rings with Howard Hughes operator Robert Maheu whilst playing second fiddle to Eisenhower and again as the occupant of the White House. Between 1969 and 1972 Nixon played godfather to multiple private sector espionage units composed of cops, private detectives, and ex-Hoover men, tasked to collect political intelligence. This presented an opportunity for the CIA and the Joint Chiefs to plant their own operatives amongst the Nixon crews. The generals and Richard Helms had a bit of their own king-killing in mind. They were offended by the clandestine diplomacy operation run by Kissinger at the behest of Nixon. Kissinger was ultimately an operative of the financial cartels so he was not to be touched. So Howard Hunt and CIA security officer James McCord set up the Watergate break-in which would ultimately result in Nixon’s resignation two years later. My favorite president, his mind wandering back to Dallas ’63 and LA ’68, realized he was lucky to escape with his head intact. So he boarded the chopper and kept his silence about the system in which he was a major player until he went too far.

  150. @AV Club Sandwich
    @Hypnotoad666

    >attractive
    >Chinese women
    Anime has warped your brain.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    >attractive
    >Chinese women

    Anime has warped your brain.

    Asian brains are oftenwarped themselves:

    Man, mother held for beheading pregnant sister who eloped and married

    Man Beheads Pregnant Sister With a Sickle, Then Poses for a Selfie With Her Remains, Police Say

    With a sickle! Do they need white men to swoop in and remind them of the proper use of that instrument?

    [MORE]

  151. @Hypnotoad666
    @Hypnotoad666

    Fun fact: According to this calculator (http://www.moneychimp.com/features/market_cagr.htm), each dollar invested in the stock market in 1924, with continuously reinvested dividends, would be worth $1,188.03 today.

    Replies: @Barnard, @lavoisier

    Did they get 85 thousand dollars for their land?

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @lavoisier


    Did they get 85 thousand dollars for their land?
     
    I don't know. That would be, like, a relevant fact to understand the story so of course no journalist can be bothered to look it up. Silly facts may distract from the narrative: Black land "taken;" Black land "returned;" Justice!; More reparations needed.
  152. @Ben tillman
    @Alfa158

    Think of all the paternity issues that may have to be resolved. Lol!

    It could indeed turn out like Bleak House.

    Replies: @Alfa158

    LA County officials are estimating it will take about a year to sort out the family trees and determine the heirs before the land can be transferred, and that’s before tackling the problem of what to do with the Leibstandarte Headquarters.
    If I have all this correct and nothing changes, I will be munching a lot of popcorn.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Alfa158

    I'm wagering a competent student of genealogy could sort it out in a few days. You've had about three generations since the land was expropriated.

    Replies: @Ed

    , @Yngvar
    @Alfa158

    The logical thing to do would be: get an appraisal of the lot; have the city expropriate it (again); put the money in escrow then figure out who get a share of the loot.

    This model would be a quick and simple way of restoration -- making negros "whole again" -- all over the country. And it's easily repeatable: "The pile was too small, nome sane."

    But paper pushers want to feel useful. /s

  153. @Achmed E. Newman

    Who knew that by 2021 FDR would be History’s Greatest Monster?
     
    I gotta give them credit there for being inadvertently on the right track. No, he was not the greatest monster in even American history, but possibly the 2nd worst President of the 20th century. The socialist scumbag Lyndon Johnson would of course be numero uno, but some might put Woodrow Wilson in 2nd place.

    As for redlining, go screw yourselves, whiners! Save your money for your house, open up your own banks, whatever you gotta do, but no matter what your lame-ass excuses for your race's century and half of financial stupidity in America, you ain't getting my stuff!

    I have STILL not calmed down from this one. Go to bed, Steve, dammit!

    Great post though, Steve, with nice retorts as usual. Yes, I can imagine "Straight outta Manhattan Beach", haha. If you gave them all the city of Manhattan Beach* tomorrow, by 2025, they'd have leached out all the value and spent that cash on bling that they've already let rot.

    .

    * Yes, it's a great spot! Who wouldn't want to live on one of those walk-streets or the Strand itself? Chrissy and Janet may just rollerblade by your front window in short shorts at any time.

    Replies: @rebel yell, @The Alarmist, @JohnnyWalker123

    Come and knock on my door.

    I’ve been waiting for you.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @JohnnyWalker123

    It's kind of funny- that show had a gay actor acting as a straight guy who had to act gay to not get kicked out of the apartment by Mr. Roper (also a landlord in The Graduate) or Mr. Ferly, take your pick. It must have been easy.

    For all those older-boomers with the age old "Ginger v Mary Ann?" question, I put forth the dilemma,

    "Janet v Chrissy"

    Replies: @Art Deco

  154. @historian1944
    This should start a torrent of lawsuits from interned Japanese who lost their property to tax foreclosure when they “voluntarily” moved themselves to internment camps during WW2.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    They probably gave up that right when they accepted the lump sum reparations package. But where there’s a lawyer, there’s a way.

  155. @Pat Hannagan
    Just finished watching Breaking Bad with my boy, born beyond its time.

    Steve, if you post three unequivocally pro-White racial posts in succession I'll contribute $300 to your blog.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLoWd2KyUro

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Mike Tre

    I’ll donate \$100 if he admits he was wrong about Covid in a taki column.

    • Agree: William Badwhite
  156. Anon[298] • Disclaimer says:
    @74v56ruthiyj
    @Colin Wright

    According to the Washington Post, the Bruce's were running a "thriving African-American resort". How could that not objectively be a nuisance, or worse?

    Replies: @Anon

    It was the 1920s when they were forced to sell, right during Prohibition. It sounds a lot like it was an illegal booze joint for blacks. If fact, I’d be amazed if it wasn’t an illegal booze joint. Even today, blacks do things like put casinos in their church basements. They have always had lax morals.

  157. At this rate, California is going to vote to give itself back to Mexico.

    • LOL: Yngvar
  158. @Achmed E. Newman
    @War for Blair Mountain

    Complete bullshit. You know little tiny bits of history but don't get any big picture.

    Oh, 2 things happened at the same time (integration and the Cold War), so of course they are related. Idiocy! Please don't waste my time writing back again. You and Corvinus can be my 2 "must-skip"s.

    Replies: @War for Blair Mountain

    Ignoramus….books have been written about this….

  159. @Carol
    The only way to give land to blacks, or to Indians, is to not really give it to them. Because if they own the full bundle of rights them they can encumber it with liabilities. And they will.

    So, the land is put into some kind of trust like a reservation.

    Yeah that'll work.

    Replies: @nokangaroos

    A major part of land reform has always been making it non-tradable
    and non-mortgagable (-> Reichserbhofgesetz), which would have the added
    benefit of doing away with black “farmers”.
    Of course this directly contravenes the American Way where land is a
    commodity like any other (hint: no) and being in hock to the banks is
    strongly incentivized.
    Ask any farmer how ruinous that is.

  160. @Jack D
    @nebulafox

    Chinese companies can and do recruit top Western talent for important positions - chief stylist of a car company, things like that, where they know that their people are not up to snuff enough to sell in Western markets.

    But for run of the mill technical talent (I'm not talking about school teachers ) they are much better off with Chinese who not only speak and read the language (no small thing) but also understand and are down with the culture. Watch the documentary American Factory about a Chinese glass company that buys a glass factory in America - the Americans just can't get with the program anymore. The irony is that the original program was pioneered by American companies like NCR and Hershey. 100 years ago, you would sing the company song every day and your life would revolve around the company and so on and in return for your loyalty the company would reward you with lifetime employment and other perks. Chinese companies are still like this but American just roll their eyes at it - we're too grown up and cynical for that stuff now - corporate America broke its end of the bargain long ago so no one would be so stupid and naive as to dedicate their life to a corporation.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Art Deco

    The irony is that the original program was pioneered by American companies like NCR and Hershey. 100 years ago, you would sing the company song every day and your life would revolve around the company and so on and in return for your loyalty the company would reward you with lifetime employment and other perks.

    You’ve confused America in 1920 with Japan in 1980.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    Where do you think the Japanese got all these ideas from? Japan had no industrial culture or history of its own. By the time Japan copied these lessons from the US, we had already forgotten them so it seemed as if the Japanse had invented them themselves.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  161. @Alden
    OT. Waukesha WI. Black 14 year old thug carjacked and sexual assaulted an 87 year old woman outside a city library. This thug is a member of an upstanding civil service black family. Thug is the nephew of Cavalier Johnson. City of Milwaukee Alderman and candidate for Mayor

    Replies: @Art Deco

    https://city.milwaukee.gov/CommonCouncil/Council-Members/District2/AldermanBio

    It appears he’s held a series of patronage jobs, not civil service jobs. They look like wheel-spinning positions. His parents had ordinary service jobs that blacks commonly occupy, so, no, he’s not from a ‘civil service family’.

    https://milwaukeecourieronline.com/index.php/2020/04/25/cavalier-chevy-johnson-elected-president-of-the-common-council/

  162. Wait, what will all the Haitians, Venezuelans, Nigerians and Afghans do when they get to their new forever homes in America, and find that their little plot is already claimed by some black guy who has no idea what to do with it?

  163. @Pixo
    @SFG

    Barry Goldwater was half Jewish and Kerry is 1/4 Jewish. That's outperforming most white ethnicities.

    Really there is a giant over representation of British stock in national politics, and every other large group consequently underrepresented.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Art Deco

    Both of Richard Kerry’s parents were Austrian Jewish; that datum was filed away and forgotten in the family. In re his children, it was the maternal side of the family which mattered (and which paid for son John’s schooling).

    As for other ethnics: Ted Cruz (Canarian / Cuban / Irish / Italian), Marco Rubio (Cuban), John Kasich (Slav), Rick Santorum (Italian), Alan Keyes (black), Pat Buchanan (Irish), Paul Tsongas (Greek), Tom Harkin (Irish / Slav), Jesse Jackson (black), Walter Mondale (Scandinavian).

    When you look at the biographies of consequential presidential candidates, what hits you is the prevalence of Harvard or Yale. See Ted Cruz (Harvard), Hillary Clinton (Yale), Mitt Romney (Harvard), Barack Obama (Harvard), John Kerry (Yale), Howard Dean (Yale), George W. Bush (Harvard and Yale), Albert Gore (Harvard), Alan Keyes (Harvard), Bilge Clinton (Yale), Paul Tsongas (Harvard and Yale), George HW Bush (Yale), Michael Dukakis (Harvard), Pat Robertson (Yale), Gary Hart (Yale), Ted Kennedy (Harvard), John Anderson (Harvard), Gerald Ford (Yale), Robert Kennedy (Harvard), William Scranton (Yale), John Kennedy (Harvard), Stuart Symington (Yale), Averill Harriman (Yale), Estes Kefauver (Yale), Robert Taft (Harvard and Yale),

  164. @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    The irony is that the original program was pioneered by American companies like NCR and Hershey. 100 years ago, you would sing the company song every day and your life would revolve around the company and so on and in return for your loyalty the company would reward you with lifetime employment and other perks.

    You've confused America in 1920 with Japan in 1980.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Where do you think the Japanese got all these ideas from? Japan had no industrial culture or history of its own. By the time Japan copied these lessons from the US, we had already forgotten them so it seemed as if the Japanse had invented them themselves.

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    Where do you think the Japanese got all these ideas from?

    Jack, you're peddling a fantasy about early 20th century industrial history. They didn't get it from us; it did not exist here.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Johann Ricke, @Anonymous

  165. @Colin Wright
    @Jack D

    'Ironically, many of the people who were promoting assimilationism the hardest were Jews – Louis Mayer, Irving Berlin, etc. Who do you think was making those movies?'

    Indeed. Looking at it historically, Jews always seem to take care to ally themselves with the winning team. In the Byzantine Empire, when the Persians managed to overrun the Levant and Anatolia in the seventh century, guess what? Mamilla Pool time.

    Then the Jews were on team Islam until -- oh, about the eighteenth century. Time to change the record. Put on that 'Judeo-Christian Rag'...

    Poles in the sixteenth and seventeenth century, Hungarians, Austrians, and Germans in the nineteenth, the US in the twentieth...obviously, the song for the moment was 'Americans all.' They're always 'one of us' -- 'us' being the winners of the moment, of course.

    So now, we're suddenly getting 'Jews aren't white.' Okay -- that's not a good sign. But they're the ones making the choice. They'll have to live with the consequences.

    Replies: @Rob

    It boggles the mind that POC non-Jews are just letting Jews direct their revolution. Unlike blacks, Jews have a first-world ethnostate waiting for them. If the revolution goes well, Jews, not NAMs, will be in charge. The revolution goes badly, and blacks will be stuck here for the horrible aftermath.

    Surely blacks also notice that corporate America imports Indian Brahmin to meet the melanin content requirements of whatever industry. Surely blacks have also noticed that Indians like Saira Rao have jumped to the front of the parade. I just checked Saira Rao’s Wikipedia page. It does not sound positive to me, but it occurs to me that she had friends write it so that she looked like a fierce opponent of AWFLs’ support of the cishetetoleukopatriarchy.

    [MORE]

    It occurred to me that only rarely have intelligent people used their intelligence in ways that led to better lives for anyone. Lawyers and engineers are both intelligent professions, but the former have a much worse reputation than the latter, who are stereotyped as Dilbert-esque dorks. Before Britain took off, how much brainpower was dedicated to, say, increasing crop yields vs staying on top of the heap of dung-covered peasants?

    Techno-capitalism was supposed to channel everyone’s greed and self-interest into improving the lives of other people. Smart guy invents a doohickey. Another smart guy writes the patent. A third smart guy gets rich guys to pony up the money and builds a doohickey factory. Doohickey factory employs hundreds, becoming the anchor of a town that grows around it. It seems that today several smart guys are trying to get a cut without contributing very much. It also hurts bigly that the factory is built in a low-wage country, though I guess that’s good for the poor, now less poor, factory workers.

    Like Rao is not a “build a factory using my awesome brain” type of smart person. She is more a “use other peoples’ ethics against them to gain resources for me” kind of person. Living off exploiting someone’s spiritual/ethical beliefs is probably the core competency of the Brahmin caste, come to think about it. It seems that there used to be people, even people who parachuted in from afar who tried to get ”their” people to do things like drink less, save money, not be all shooty in the streets, etc. Like the founder of the Nation of Islam, Wallace Fard Muhammad. He was prolly a Paki from New Zealand. After some time selling heroin and doing some time for selling heroin, he set himself up as a prophet to American blacks. He was very much not a “give me money so I can guilt white people into giving us more stuff” sort of person. He thought “his fellow” African Americans could pull themselves up.

    Not Rao. Not the newly-of-color Red Jews. No community spirit. In Rao’s case, she does nothing to help anyone but herself, charging AWFLs five thousand dollars a pop to be yelled at on a group Zoom call. If the people behind Antifa had any interest in helping their footsoldiers improve their lives, they would do things like encouraging them to stop smoking meth and live as their birth sex. That last one would be a biggie, judging from Andy Ngo’s Twitter feed.

    Despite being very verbal, I think there is something to PhysicistDave’s “verbally adept parasites” theory. It really takes a particular, and fragile system to get verbal people to use their powers for good instead of evil.

    With blacks, a lot of verbally adept people have convinced them that their problem is white racism. From the white side, though, it really looks like blacks’ behavior causes the racism. The verbal people do it to live off white guilt/Jewish revolutionary fervor, but it definitely means they do more harm than good. Come to think of it, blacks overall have a fairly strong tilt towards the verbal end of intelligence. Maybe eugenically “improving” blacks would just lead to better grifters?

    It’s like these people think whites are hogging the output of the magic cargo machine. In reality, whites are the magic cargo machine. If you break it, you don’t get the cargo. You live off the ruins of the old order, then you starve, eating grass until the new, more fascist order takes charge.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  166. @Peter Johnson
    African Americans have vastly lower wealth relative to income than other groups. This is due to their higher time-discounting, built into their average genetic tendencies and virtually unchangeable. This causal mechanism is unspeakable and unknowable for most people, so the Wealth/Income gap must absolutely be due to racism, and thereby someone else's fault. Hence everyone must pay to "give them back the wealth" that they never accumulated in the first place.

    Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive. The failure to acknowledge HBD creates endless mess.

    Replies: @International Jew, @cosMICjester

    African Americans have vastly lower wealth relative to income than other groups.

    Blacks are disproportionately employed by the government and therefore have generous pensions coming their way. Any fair accounting of household wealth needs to include the actuarial value of those pensions.

    • Replies: @Abolish_public_education
    @International Jew

    I don't follow the retirement (i.e. post-welfare) system of federal workers; state PERS are way underfunded. Shortfalls should show-up on the household wealth (balance sheet) of private sector (i.e. true) taxpayers as a deferred tax liability. (The official, USG long-term debt equates to ~ -$60K in wealth, per American).

  167. @Hypnotoad666
    @Jack D

    Do people really not understand that eminent domain includes the right to payment of fair market compensation by the government? That whole dumb WaPo article never mentioned that the owners were fully paid for the property in 1924.

    Invested at compound returns for a hundred years, the original payment is probably worth more than the property itself. But I am guessing the descendents didn't even have to give back the original amount. Giving away $85 million to some people just because they are black is exactly what California would do, however.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Almost Missouri, @Hypnotoad666, @International Jew

    eminent domain includes the right to payment of fair market compensation by the government

    Not really. There would be no need for eminent domain if the gov were truly committed to paying market value; if that were the case, the gov would just buy the property the way you or I would need to do if we wanted it.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @International Jew


    There would be no need for eminent domain if the gov were truly committed to paying market value; if that were the case, the gov would just buy the property the way you or I would need to do if we wanted it.
     
    Depending on a voluntary agreement to sell can't really work for a variety of reasons.

    For one thing, if the government needed to buy 1,000 different parcels for a highway or something, they'd have to get agreements from everyone before even knowing if they could build. And if someone doesn't agree, do you cancel the project and rescind all the other sales agreements? Or just eat the useless land that you bought?

    The more property owners that agree to sell, the more leverage the remaining lot owners have. So each property owner has an incentive to hold out and be the last one blocking the project so he can get the most exorbitant premium for allowing it to go forward. The transaction costs and uncertainty alone would kill any big project. And our highways would be zig zagging around all the houses owned by cat ladies who wouldn't sell for emotional reasons.

    The government can't go around stealing land. The founders put it right in the 5th Am. that: "nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation." If you don't like the price the gov't offers, a judge decides the fair value based on competing appraisals and evidence.

    , @Colin Wright
    @International Jew

    'Not really. There would be no need for eminent domain if the gov were truly committed to paying market value; if that were the case, the gov would just buy the property the way you or I would need to do if we wanted it.'

    No...because you get the 'only house in the way of the freeway' phenomenon. I-412 is going to come through this valley. The state has bought every parcel except my half-acre. The whole four hundred million dollar project can't happen until they get my half-acre.

    I'd like five million for it, please.

    This is the reason there's a need for eminent domain.

    Replies: @Jack D

  168. It seems to me that blacks who come into money and want to buy real estate should focus on buying rental properties in white areas that are likely to stay white or white-adjacent. Let’s ay you California gives you part of a beachfront park that you sell for \$20 million. You should go buy your dream mansion in the Hollywood Hills, right? Wrong! Keep living in your house. Buy some rental properties in a nice ‘hood. Hire a white or white-norms-conforming property manager. Do this in several locations. Boom! You are rich! White middle-class+ tenants are much easier on a property than black ones are. Don’t want white trash renters. The fumes from the crystal meth-cooking will soak into the very walls, not to mention floors, carpets, and furniture. They might strip all the copper wiring out of the place as a going-away present for you. Tens of dollars in scrap metal for them, tens of thousands of dollars in repairs for you.

    I must say I don’t know the real estate(demography) = \$ equation for Cali. If a neighborhood goes Persian, I am assuming it keeps its values. If it goes upscale multicultural, like rich people from around the world, prices probably go up. It seems to me that the LA area might be somewhat protected from the coming de-officeification of American corporations. It has a lovely climate if you are not a farmer, does it not? Hollywood industries require people to be instantiated at a location, no? Can Nicole Kidman be in front of a green screen in LA and Hugh Jackman in front of a green screen in Australia and movie magic make it look like they are talking in the same room, maybe even with physical contact? But still, you need a green screen, lights, and cameras in 2 locations, plus CGI budget and time vs flying one actor to the other. I think Hollywood has to stay physical. New York? Nasty climate, unruly natives. Tiny apartments, plus financial types might just decamp to the Hamptons or somewhere in Florida or the Caribbean, where the climate is Hamptons high season all year round. Though finance might experience its own shoah. Then they cannot afford to move to any paradise. Though if finance goes bust, the real estate prices of every paradise will crash. Interesting times.

    Still, lots on a beach in a paradise will hold their value much better if the new black owners do not move in.

    This suggests a way for unscrupulous blacks to make a killin’ in residential RE if they have some money to start. Buy a house in a nice, whitopia hood. Preferably one where ghetto folk have trouble getting to, due to highway placement or cops, or whatnot. An area with very few derelicts. Be out and about, livin’ large. Rap, cookouts, sitting on the porch out front. The “smart” white people will put their homes up for sale fast and cheaply. Have a couple of accomplices buy a house each. You all party like it’s 1999. More houses go up for sale. With your \$20 million, you can afford several properties, especially at “oh shit! The neighborhood is, um, the schools are getting worse!” Once you’ve bought many properties, y’all clear out! Sell the first few houses at a small profit to gay couples, cuz they are the stormtroopers of gentrification. Then there is this great neighborhood with all these nice, but empty houses. It becomes a fashionable neighborhood. You sell the houses for way more than you paid in just 2-3 years. Think of it as rapid block-busting followed by gentrification. All you have to do is cut that long wait of “it’s a ghetto” time from decades to a year or two. You have to have the money though, I doubt a bank would lend for this scheme.

    If you can find a bunch of holes in that plan, well, it’d be a good premise for a “black market” comedy. White baizou could watch it and feel super-duper superior to those racists who sold at a loss when blacks moved in. Then, if their neighborhood does turn black, they will hold on for longer, and therefore lose even more money when they are ethnically cleansed and sell at ghetto prices.

  169. @International Jew
    @Hypnotoad666


    eminent domain includes the right to payment of fair market compensation by the government
     
    Not really. There would be no need for eminent domain if the gov were truly committed to paying market value; if that were the case, the gov would just buy the property the way you or I would need to do if we wanted it.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Colin Wright

    There would be no need for eminent domain if the gov were truly committed to paying market value; if that were the case, the gov would just buy the property the way you or I would need to do if we wanted it.

    Depending on a voluntary agreement to sell can’t really work for a variety of reasons.

    For one thing, if the government needed to buy 1,000 different parcels for a highway or something, they’d have to get agreements from everyone before even knowing if they could build. And if someone doesn’t agree, do you cancel the project and rescind all the other sales agreements? Or just eat the useless land that you bought?

    The more property owners that agree to sell, the more leverage the remaining lot owners have. So each property owner has an incentive to hold out and be the last one blocking the project so he can get the most exorbitant premium for allowing it to go forward. The transaction costs and uncertainty alone would kill any big project. And our highways would be zig zagging around all the houses owned by cat ladies who wouldn’t sell for emotional reasons.

    The government can’t go around stealing land. The founders put it right in the 5th Am. that: “nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.” If you don’t like the price the gov’t offers, a judge decides the fair value based on competing appraisals and evidence.

    • Agree: Art Deco
  170. @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    Where do you think the Japanese got all these ideas from? Japan had no industrial culture or history of its own. By the time Japan copied these lessons from the US, we had already forgotten them so it seemed as if the Japanse had invented them themselves.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Where do you think the Japanese got all these ideas from?

    Jack, you’re peddling a fantasy about early 20th century industrial history. They didn’t get it from us; it did not exist here.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1906-song-ncr-national-cash-register-1851855189

    , @Johann Ricke
    @Art Deco


    Jack, you’re peddling a fantasy about early 20th century industrial history. They didn’t get it from us; it did not exist here.
     
    The thing the inhabitants of this planet have in common is that we not only don't know much history in general - we don't even know much of our own history. People have lives to lead, and reading history isn't really relevant to much of it.
    , @Anonymous
    @Art Deco

    No, he's right. Japanese corporate culture is heavily based on early 20th century American corporate culture. It seems strange because America has changed a lot since then.

    This was a big motivation behind the 1960s/70s 'counterculture'. Young people were rebelling against the idea that you should join a corporation at age 18 or 21, work like a dog for it for 40+ years, then retire just before you die. Americans didn't want to live like that anymore.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  171. @Jack D
    Because we all know what a good idea it is to return public park land to private ownership. This is something that progressives especially support in keeping with their free market principles. I can't count the number of rallies and signs that I have seen in which people in a neighborhood demand that their neighborhood park be closed and a shopping mall or apartment building be put up in its place.

    Has there ever been another case where park land, however acquired, was given back to its original owners or returned to private ownership?

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Hypnotoad666, @Jonathan Mason

    Eminent domain, known in the UK as a Compulsory Purchase Order is a process by which government can forcibly buy real estate from its owners if there is an overwhelming public interest in doing so.

    Usually this is for the purpose of building roads. Imagine how impossible it would have been to build the Interstate Highway system if individual landowners could block the proposed routes or make them loop around smallholdings with a few goats and chickens.

    However private businesses cannot use eminent domain/compulsory purchase, except perhaps if they are providing public utilities such as gas pipelines.

    Liverpool Football Club (now owned by the Fenway Sports Group) spent decades trying to expand its stadium, causing controversy by buying up many small row-houses yards from the stadium and then leaving them empty for years to try to persuade owners to sell. (Imagine your beloved family home being attached to a boarded-up rat-and-roach-infested home, separated by only a thin partition wall.)

    At last the demolition squad are able to move in and destroy these century-old homes to that more people can watch expensive live soccer. [Daily Mirror]

    The question about the Bruce’s Beach eminent domain purchase should be whether there was a legitimate public need for the purchase at the time which was not based on racism.

    If this was actually, seen in retrospect, a racist abuse of local government powers, then it makes sense to return the land to the family descendants as a symbolic gesture of righting old wrongs.

    It is not going to affect past purchases that were done to build roads or pipelines.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Jonathan Mason

    The question about the Bruce’s Beach eminent domain purchase should be whether there was a legitimate public need for the purchase at the time which was not based on racism.

    People have objects, Mr. Mason. They only need to do something in order to accomplish a particular object. Since its been used as a public park for 90+ years, it's not a case where the local government seized property from one party in order to turn it over to a politically-connected real-estate developer.

    Are the other property-holders who were subject to eminent domain in 1924 getting their property back, or is this 8-digit windfall limited to Democratic Party mascots?

    , @Jack D
    @Jonathan Mason

    This was beachfront property that was made into a public park. I can't think of a more clearcut case of legitimate public interest. If parks are not a legitimate public interest then what is?

    This is especially true in the modern era, where the courts have interpreted "public interest' to be pretty much anything that they government says is in the public interest - they take the government's word for it and do not question it. So if they take your home or business premises and declare it to be "slum clearance" and sell it to a developer to erect some fancy project, the courts say that "slum clearance" is a legitimate public interest when what it really is, is politically connected developers getting the government to do their dirty work at forced sale prices. But this is still permitted.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

  172. The family was paid \$14,500 at a time when nominal personal income per capita was about of \$660 per year. If you paid someone 22x nominal annual personal income per capita today it would amount to \$1.3 million.

  173. @Jonathan Mason
    @Jack D

    Eminent domain, known in the UK as a Compulsory Purchase Order is a process by which government can forcibly buy real estate from its owners if there is an overwhelming public interest in doing so.

    Usually this is for the purpose of building roads. Imagine how impossible it would have been to build the Interstate Highway system if individual landowners could block the proposed routes or make them loop around smallholdings with a few goats and chickens.

    However private businesses cannot use eminent domain/compulsory purchase, except perhaps if they are providing public utilities such as gas pipelines.

    Liverpool Football Club (now owned by the Fenway Sports Group) spent decades trying to expand its stadium, causing controversy by buying up many small row-houses yards from the stadium and then leaving them empty for years to try to persuade owners to sell. (Imagine your beloved family home being attached to a boarded-up rat-and-roach-infested home, separated by only a thin partition wall.)

    https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article3934712.ece/ALTERNATES/s1227b/Anfield-Demolition.jpg

    At last the demolition squad are able to move in and destroy these century-old homes to that more people can watch expensive live soccer. [Daily Mirror]

    The question about the Bruce's Beach eminent domain purchase should be whether there was a legitimate public need for the purchase at the time which was not based on racism.

    If this was actually, seen in retrospect, a racist abuse of local government powers, then it makes sense to return the land to the family descendants as a symbolic gesture of righting old wrongs.

    It is not going to affect past purchases that were done to build roads or pipelines.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Jack D

    The question about the Bruce’s Beach eminent domain purchase should be whether there was a legitimate public need for the purchase at the time which was not based on racism.

    People have objects, Mr. Mason. They only need to do something in order to accomplish a particular object. Since its been used as a public park for 90+ years, it’s not a case where the local government seized property from one party in order to turn it over to a politically-connected real-estate developer.

    Are the other property-holders who were subject to eminent domain in 1924 getting their property back, or is this 8-digit windfall limited to Democratic Party mascots?

  174. @Alfa158
    @Ben tillman

    LA County officials are estimating it will take about a year to sort out the family trees and determine the heirs before the land can be transferred, and that’s before tackling the problem of what to do with the Leibstandarte Headquarters.
    If I have all this correct and nothing changes, I will be munching a lot of popcorn.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Yngvar

    I’m wagering a competent student of genealogy could sort it out in a few days. You’ve had about three generations since the land was expropriated.

    • Replies: @Ed
    @Art Deco

    Somewhat related, I’ve been reading about the issue of “tangled titles” and heirs property that seems to impact African Americans and to a degree Appalachian whites and Mexican Americans along the border. When these land owners die they often leave no wills, their estates aren’t probated leaving the deceased names on property. Decades later dozens if not hundreds of people have claim to the property. Astute developers in some cases buy out a share of a distant relative and then force a partition sale.

    https://apnews.com/article/lifestyle-5a230f8a43a54078f933d922ba0bc60c

  175. @Jonathan Mason
    @Jack D

    Eminent domain, known in the UK as a Compulsory Purchase Order is a process by which government can forcibly buy real estate from its owners if there is an overwhelming public interest in doing so.

    Usually this is for the purpose of building roads. Imagine how impossible it would have been to build the Interstate Highway system if individual landowners could block the proposed routes or make them loop around smallholdings with a few goats and chickens.

    However private businesses cannot use eminent domain/compulsory purchase, except perhaps if they are providing public utilities such as gas pipelines.

    Liverpool Football Club (now owned by the Fenway Sports Group) spent decades trying to expand its stadium, causing controversy by buying up many small row-houses yards from the stadium and then leaving them empty for years to try to persuade owners to sell. (Imagine your beloved family home being attached to a boarded-up rat-and-roach-infested home, separated by only a thin partition wall.)

    https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article3934712.ece/ALTERNATES/s1227b/Anfield-Demolition.jpg

    At last the demolition squad are able to move in and destroy these century-old homes to that more people can watch expensive live soccer. [Daily Mirror]

    The question about the Bruce's Beach eminent domain purchase should be whether there was a legitimate public need for the purchase at the time which was not based on racism.

    If this was actually, seen in retrospect, a racist abuse of local government powers, then it makes sense to return the land to the family descendants as a symbolic gesture of righting old wrongs.

    It is not going to affect past purchases that were done to build roads or pipelines.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Jack D

    This was beachfront property that was made into a public park. I can’t think of a more clearcut case of legitimate public interest. If parks are not a legitimate public interest then what is?

    This is especially true in the modern era, where the courts have interpreted “public interest’ to be pretty much anything that they government says is in the public interest – they take the government’s word for it and do not question it. So if they take your home or business premises and declare it to be “slum clearance” and sell it to a developer to erect some fancy project, the courts say that “slum clearance” is a legitimate public interest when what it really is, is politically connected developers getting the government to do their dirty work at forced sale prices. But this is still permitted.

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Jack D


    This was beachfront property that was made into a public park. I can’t think of a more clearcut case of legitimate public interest.
     
    Assuming that there was no other way for the public to access beaches in the area, and that this particular land was not taken for reasons associated with racism when there was other land in private hands nearby that was not taken, then maybe.

    Replies: @Jack D

  176. Washington Post: Advocates Push Nationwide Movement for Land Return to Blacks

    Not for land return to Native Americans … it’s about virtue signalling, not the dispossession of 98.4% of Americans.

  177. Native Americans land rights supersede whites and blacks. Let’s start by returning Manhattan to the descendants of the Indians.

  178. @International Jew
    @Peter Johnson


    African Americans have vastly lower wealth relative to income than other groups.
     
    Blacks are disproportionately employed by the government and therefore have generous pensions coming their way. Any fair accounting of household wealth needs to include the actuarial value of those pensions.

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education

    I don’t follow the retirement (i.e. post-welfare) system of federal workers; state PERS are way underfunded. Shortfalls should show-up on the household wealth (balance sheet) of private sector (i.e. true) taxpayers as a deferred tax liability. (The official, USG long-term debt equates to ~ -\$60K in wealth, per American).

  179. @lavoisier
    @Hypnotoad666

    Did they get 85 thousand dollars for their land?

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    Did they get 85 thousand dollars for their land?

    I don’t know. That would be, like, a relevant fact to understand the story so of course no journalist can be bothered to look it up. Silly facts may distract from the narrative: Black land “taken;” Black land “returned;” Justice!; More reparations needed.

    • Agree: lavoisier
  180. @Jack D
    @Jonathan Mason

    This was beachfront property that was made into a public park. I can't think of a more clearcut case of legitimate public interest. If parks are not a legitimate public interest then what is?

    This is especially true in the modern era, where the courts have interpreted "public interest' to be pretty much anything that they government says is in the public interest - they take the government's word for it and do not question it. So if they take your home or business premises and declare it to be "slum clearance" and sell it to a developer to erect some fancy project, the courts say that "slum clearance" is a legitimate public interest when what it really is, is politically connected developers getting the government to do their dirty work at forced sale prices. But this is still permitted.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    This was beachfront property that was made into a public park. I can’t think of a more clearcut case of legitimate public interest.

    Assuming that there was no other way for the public to access beaches in the area, and that this particular land was not taken for reasons associated with racism when there was other land in private hands nearby that was not taken, then maybe.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Jonathan Mason

    If you look at the surround area then to this day it is taken up with tightly packed single family houses on small lots (while the "Bruce's Beach" parcel was a single large lot where nobody lived). So to create a comparable park they would have had to buy out (at a much higher total price) and evict 20 or 30 families of local voters vs. 1 seasonal amusement park (who frankly attracted an undesirable clientele). I'm sure that fact that the park clientele was black was not a point in their favor but I'd bet that they would have done the same thing if the park attracted lower class whites instead.

  181. @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    Where do you think the Japanese got all these ideas from?

    Jack, you're peddling a fantasy about early 20th century industrial history. They didn't get it from us; it did not exist here.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Johann Ricke, @Anonymous

  182. @Jonathan Mason
    @Jack D


    This was beachfront property that was made into a public park. I can’t think of a more clearcut case of legitimate public interest.
     
    Assuming that there was no other way for the public to access beaches in the area, and that this particular land was not taken for reasons associated with racism when there was other land in private hands nearby that was not taken, then maybe.

    Replies: @Jack D

    If you look at the surround area then to this day it is taken up with tightly packed single family houses on small lots (while the “Bruce’s Beach” parcel was a single large lot where nobody lived). So to create a comparable park they would have had to buy out (at a much higher total price) and evict 20 or 30 families of local voters vs. 1 seasonal amusement park (who frankly attracted an undesirable clientele). I’m sure that fact that the park clientele was black was not a point in their favor but I’d bet that they would have done the same thing if the park attracted lower class whites instead.

  183. @International Jew
    @Hypnotoad666


    eminent domain includes the right to payment of fair market compensation by the government
     
    Not really. There would be no need for eminent domain if the gov were truly committed to paying market value; if that were the case, the gov would just buy the property the way you or I would need to do if we wanted it.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Colin Wright

    ‘Not really. There would be no need for eminent domain if the gov were truly committed to paying market value; if that were the case, the gov would just buy the property the way you or I would need to do if we wanted it.’

    No…because you get the ‘only house in the way of the freeway’ phenomenon. I-412 is going to come through this valley. The state has bought every parcel except my half-acre. The whole four hundred million dollar project can’t happen until they get my half-acre.

    I’d like five million for it, please.

    This is the reason there’s a need for eminent domain.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Colin Wright

    Also there is "this is grandpa's farm and it's not for sale at any price."

  184. @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @Intelligent Dasein


    If we can prescind from the blackety-blackety-black angle for a moment, this might be a good time to discuss that eminent domain has always been rife with abuses. It’s not a good thing to have around.
     
    You wouldn't want to live in a world without it. There would be virtually no new development if the government had to negotiate a sale price with everyone along the path of a new road, street, or highway. And without new roads, streets, and highways, no one is going to build new housing (how would you get to and from your new home?).

    If you see abuses, they should be remedied. But the government absolutely must be able to take property for public use with just compensation.

    Replies: @Boomthorkell

    I would say that if eminent domain must be kept, it should have much stricter applications with a much higher price tag.

    I’m saying this as a guy who wants to completely abolish suburbs and reform society into ultra-dense medieval townships/cities with clearly zoned rural areas surrounding each 1/2-2 sq. mile walled city of 3,000 people.

  185. @Colin Wright
    @International Jew

    'Not really. There would be no need for eminent domain if the gov were truly committed to paying market value; if that were the case, the gov would just buy the property the way you or I would need to do if we wanted it.'

    No...because you get the 'only house in the way of the freeway' phenomenon. I-412 is going to come through this valley. The state has bought every parcel except my half-acre. The whole four hundred million dollar project can't happen until they get my half-acre.

    I'd like five million for it, please.

    This is the reason there's a need for eminent domain.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Also there is “this is grandpa’s farm and it’s not for sale at any price.”

  186. @AndrewR
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Communists and their sympathizers don't do the bidding of the world's second richest man.

    To say that WaPo is pushing a communist agenda is one of the most absurd things ever written on this site.

    As rotten as communism is, it at least sounds somewhat good on paper. To my knowledge, no notable communists have gone on record as stating that they want the descendants of wealthy people to become a permanent underclass, to be enslaved or exterminated at will. Whereas our current ruling ideology is pretty explicit about punishing all white people* for all time based on the alleged crimes, real or imagined, committed by some white people in the past.

    *Except the wealthy

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Achmed E. Newman, @ic1000

    Sorry for the late reply, Andrew. I’m sure you’ve read lots of more absurd things on this website. This time it may be absurd to you because you didn’t read my blog post, and you still don’t understand who these people are.

    I will not repeat my whole post (that’s why I linked to it), but let me give you the gist of it. It’s not about whether these people have read Marx and Lenin or the little Red Book of Chairman Mao. There are thousands of times more useful idiots that work “as” Communists to destroy society than there are actual believers. This has been true for every one of their long-running revolutions. As Cajun ex-Cuban Humberto Fontova said in a great interview with Stefan Molyneux, the people who went for this in Cuba 60-odd years ago, and all the other times are Los Resentidos, “The Resentful Ones”.

    The people at the Washington Post are not purposefully pushing a Communist agenda, per se, but they are some of the useful idiots – actually many are more like useless idiots.

    It’s all about taking your stuff, Andrew. EVERY! SINGLE! TIME!

    • Replies: @James N. Kennett
    @Achmed E. Newman

    If the agenda is communist, we have to wonder why is it supported by large businesses, including a newspaper owned by the richest man in the world. I agree that it is about taking people's stuff, but whose stuff? Not their stuff, to be sure, but ours.

    There are always people who feel resentment, and want to change the world so that people like themselves have more wealth, power and status. Many of them are attracted to careers in journalism where they can become "thought leaders" (previously known as "opinion formers").

    In 2011, the "Occupy Wall Street" protests spooked corporate America. Its reaction was to bankroll the "woke" movement, in order to redirect radicals away from OWS and into causes that would not harm the bottom line. So much the better if those causes also humiliated the majority of their employees, and made them feel that their jobs were insecure and could be terminated in the name of “social justice”.

    This is the theme of the book “Woke, Inc.” by Vivek Ramaswamy, which I linked to here.

    The journalists at WaPo are indeed useful idiots, but they are useful idiots of large corporations and the ultra-wealthy. Wokeism is a kind of controlled opposition.

    P.S. I keep reading "Los Resentidos" as "Los Residentos". Perhaps some of the resentful would like to become residents by taking the equity in our property, which ties in with Steve's theme.

  187. @Colin Wright
    @Jack D

    'The assimiilationist idea that we all had to be the same was the product of 20th century mass culture. We all had to go to the same movies and listen to the same radio programs. Big business loved this idea because then they could sell Wheaties to every person in America instead of selling scrapple in PA and grits in Alabama and so on.'

    I can recall assimilationism from my elementary school reader in the mid-sixties. The Italian father can't understand why his son wants a baseball mitt, etc. Look at a movie like Sergeant York. (1940). They manage to work in the 'we're all Americans' theme pretty good there. Ditto for Go for Broke (1951). Hank Greenberg -- 'the Hebrew Hammer.' Etc. Etc.

    The way I see it, it was a way of absorbing all these relatively new immigrant populations into the US. Looking back, it was really ceaseless: Irish are Americans, Jews are Americans, Italians are Americans...even Mexicans are Americans.

    And blacks are just like the rest of us -- of course. It did work to some extent; we all -- at least I do --think of Poles, Irishmen, Italians, etc as 'Americans.' I used to think of Jews as Americans as well, but the Jews themselves seem to be insisting I rethink that. Well. I can. It's hard, but...

    Replies: @Jack D, @Kevin Brook

    I used to think of Jews as Americans as well, but the Jews themselves seem to be insisting I rethink that.

    Not really. In an interview on the Jim Bohannon Show on December 8th, the leftist but anti-wokist American Jewish author Batya Ungar-Sargon affirmed her Americanism and the need for a feeling of brotherhood across all kinds of Americans.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Kevin Brook

    'Not really. In an interview on the Jim Bohannon Show on December 8th, the leftist but anti-wokist American Jewish author Batya Ungar-Sargon affirmed her Americanism and the need for a feeling of brotherhood across all kinds of Americans.'

    I don't feel much of need for a feeling of brotherhood with blacks -- and I sure as hell don't care to feel one with 'dreamers.' Maybe Sargon and I aren't on the same page to begin with.

    But in any case, doesn't this falls into the 'but there were good Germans' category?

    It's simply foolish to ignore the collective effect of the sum of the attitudes and actions of all Jews in general. What should be done about it is a vexed question -- but just pretending it isn't there won't work.

    Then too, creatures like Jennifer Rubin have demonstrated all too clearly that 'they're on your team' -- so long as it serves Jewish interests. I'm not terribly interested in fretting about whether I should trust Darth Sauron or not. She's welcome to disavow her Jewish identity whenever she likes. It'll help me to make up my mind.

    , @74v56ruthiyj
    @Kevin Brook

    I disagree. Jewish actions speak louder than words. And how much brotherhood can there be between working-class White Americans and the predators and parasites that afflict us?

  188. @Peter Johnson
    African Americans have vastly lower wealth relative to income than other groups. This is due to their higher time-discounting, built into their average genetic tendencies and virtually unchangeable. This causal mechanism is unspeakable and unknowable for most people, so the Wealth/Income gap must absolutely be due to racism, and thereby someone else's fault. Hence everyone must pay to "give them back the wealth" that they never accumulated in the first place.

    Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive. The failure to acknowledge HBD creates endless mess.

    Replies: @International Jew, @cosMICjester

    They’re more interested in having DUBs (large rims) on their vehicles, hanging out in strip bars (where they rarely tip servers/bartenders) & drinking Hennessy & coke then accumulating wealth.

  189. @AndrewR
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Communists and their sympathizers don't do the bidding of the world's second richest man.

    To say that WaPo is pushing a communist agenda is one of the most absurd things ever written on this site.

    As rotten as communism is, it at least sounds somewhat good on paper. To my knowledge, no notable communists have gone on record as stating that they want the descendants of wealthy people to become a permanent underclass, to be enslaved or exterminated at will. Whereas our current ruling ideology is pretty explicit about punishing all white people* for all time based on the alleged crimes, real or imagined, committed by some white people in the past.

    *Except the wealthy

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Achmed E. Newman, @ic1000

    As for the rest of your comment, you are wrong on most counts.

    Who cares who they work for? The Communists of old were bankrolled by rich people too. There are usually the evil and/or stupid (hard to differentiate in the fog of history) behind the scenes. Learn about the antifa and BLM and who bankrolls and supports these groups, Andrew.

    No, they didn’t go on record, because why bother, but of course there were Communists throughout history that wanted the descendants of wealthy people to become a permanent underclass, to be enslaved or exterminated at will. They didn’t just WANT it, they made it happen. The #1 pros of Communist history, the Bolsheviks of Russia did this to the old aristocracy. I read a book by one Douglas Smith called Former People that gave the grim details of the lives of these people from 1917 through Stalin’s time.

    Yes, the modern American Commies are explicit about punishing and exterminating White people. That’s where the money is! That’s who build the country, and the White middle-class in America has been a huge impediment to a quick implementation of Totalitarian rule. Of course they want to eradicate us! They are Los Resentidos.

    Any no, Communism sounds stupid on paper to anyone who learned a a damn thing during kindergarten.

  190. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Achmed E. Newman

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX0cSaaLcXo

    Come and knock on my door.

    I've been waiting for you.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    It’s kind of funny- that show had a gay actor acting as a straight guy who had to act gay to not get kicked out of the apartment by Mr. Roper (also a landlord in The Graduate) or Mr. Ferly, take your pick. It must have been easy.

    For all those older-boomers with the age old “Ginger v Mary Ann?” question, I put forth the dilemma,

    “Janet v Chrissy”

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Achmed E. Newman

    John Ritter was married for 20+ years and fathered four children, the last at age 50.

  191. @Achmed E. Newman
    @JohnnyWalker123

    It's kind of funny- that show had a gay actor acting as a straight guy who had to act gay to not get kicked out of the apartment by Mr. Roper (also a landlord in The Graduate) or Mr. Ferly, take your pick. It must have been easy.

    For all those older-boomers with the age old "Ginger v Mary Ann?" question, I put forth the dilemma,

    "Janet v Chrissy"

    Replies: @Art Deco

    John Ritter was married for 20+ years and fathered four children, the last at age 50.

  192. @Alfa158
    @Ben tillman

    LA County officials are estimating it will take about a year to sort out the family trees and determine the heirs before the land can be transferred, and that’s before tackling the problem of what to do with the Leibstandarte Headquarters.
    If I have all this correct and nothing changes, I will be munching a lot of popcorn.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Yngvar

    The logical thing to do would be: get an appraisal of the lot; have the city expropriate it (again); put the money in escrow then figure out who get a share of the loot.

    This model would be a quick and simple way of restoration — making negros “whole again” — all over the country. And it’s easily repeatable: “The pile was too small, nome sane.”

    But paper pushers want to feel useful. /s

  193. @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    Where do you think the Japanese got all these ideas from?

    Jack, you're peddling a fantasy about early 20th century industrial history. They didn't get it from us; it did not exist here.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Johann Ricke, @Anonymous

    Jack, you’re peddling a fantasy about early 20th century industrial history. They didn’t get it from us; it did not exist here.

    The thing the inhabitants of this planet have in common is that we not only don’t know much history in general – we don’t even know much of our own history. People have lives to lead, and reading history isn’t really relevant to much of it.

  194. @Kevin Brook
    @Colin Wright


    I used to think of Jews as Americans as well, but the Jews themselves seem to be insisting I rethink that.
     
    Not really. In an interview on the Jim Bohannon Show on December 8th, the leftist but anti-wokist American Jewish author Batya Ungar-Sargon affirmed her Americanism and the need for a feeling of brotherhood across all kinds of Americans.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @74v56ruthiyj

    ‘Not really. In an interview on the Jim Bohannon Show on December 8th, the leftist but anti-wokist American Jewish author Batya Ungar-Sargon affirmed her Americanism and the need for a feeling of brotherhood across all kinds of Americans.’

    I don’t feel much of need for a feeling of brotherhood with blacks — and I sure as hell don’t care to feel one with ‘dreamers.’ Maybe Sargon and I aren’t on the same page to begin with.

    But in any case, doesn’t this falls into the ‘but there were good Germans’ category?

    It’s simply foolish to ignore the collective effect of the sum of the attitudes and actions of all Jews in general. What should be done about it is a vexed question — but just pretending it isn’t there won’t work.

    Then too, creatures like Jennifer Rubin have demonstrated all too clearly that ‘they’re on your team’ — so long as it serves Jewish interests. I’m not terribly interested in fretting about whether I should trust Darth Sauron or not. She’s welcome to disavow her Jewish identity whenever she likes. It’ll help me to make up my mind.

  195. Anonymous[416] • Disclaimer says:

    There’s slash and burn agriculture.

    Maybe real estate companies can use blacks for smash and loot economics.

    If construction companies want to build new stuff, just sends blacks into communities to smash and loot everything. While the blacks are then sent elsewhere to smash and loot, all is rebuilt where they just destroyed everything.

    For new things to be built, old stuff has to be destroyed. And blacks are good at destroying stuff.

  196. Anonymous[238] • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    Where do you think the Japanese got all these ideas from?

    Jack, you're peddling a fantasy about early 20th century industrial history. They didn't get it from us; it did not exist here.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Johann Ricke, @Anonymous

    No, he’s right. Japanese corporate culture is heavily based on early 20th century American corporate culture. It seems strange because America has changed a lot since then.

    This was a big motivation behind the 1960s/70s ‘counterculture’. Young people were rebelling against the idea that you should join a corporation at age 18 or 21, work like a dog for it for 40+ years, then retire just before you die. Americans didn’t want to live like that anymore.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Anonymous

    No, he’s right. Japanese corporate culture is heavily based on early 20th century American corporate culture. It seems strange because America has changed a lot since then.

    No, he's wrong. Early 20th century work rules were commonly harsh and the notion that any substantial group of workers had guaranteed employment is a fantasy.

    Replies: @Hhsiii

  197. @Kevin Brook
    @Colin Wright


    I used to think of Jews as Americans as well, but the Jews themselves seem to be insisting I rethink that.
     
    Not really. In an interview on the Jim Bohannon Show on December 8th, the leftist but anti-wokist American Jewish author Batya Ungar-Sargon affirmed her Americanism and the need for a feeling of brotherhood across all kinds of Americans.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @74v56ruthiyj

    I disagree. Jewish actions speak louder than words. And how much brotherhood can there be between working-class White Americans and the predators and parasites that afflict us?

  198. @Art Deco
    @Alfa158

    I'm wagering a competent student of genealogy could sort it out in a few days. You've had about three generations since the land was expropriated.

    Replies: @Ed

    Somewhat related, I’ve been reading about the issue of “tangled titles” and heirs property that seems to impact African Americans and to a degree Appalachian whites and Mexican Americans along the border. When these land owners die they often leave no wills, their estates aren’t probated leaving the deceased names on property. Decades later dozens if not hundreds of people have claim to the property. Astute developers in some cases buy out a share of a distant relative and then force a partition sale.

    https://apnews.com/article/lifestyle-5a230f8a43a54078f933d922ba0bc60c

  199. @AndrewR
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Communists and their sympathizers don't do the bidding of the world's second richest man.

    To say that WaPo is pushing a communist agenda is one of the most absurd things ever written on this site.

    As rotten as communism is, it at least sounds somewhat good on paper. To my knowledge, no notable communists have gone on record as stating that they want the descendants of wealthy people to become a permanent underclass, to be enslaved or exterminated at will. Whereas our current ruling ideology is pretty explicit about punishing all white people* for all time based on the alleged crimes, real or imagined, committed by some white people in the past.

    *Except the wealthy

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Achmed E. Newman, @ic1000

    > As rotten as communism is, it at least sounds somewhat good on paper.

    Agree. Marx and Engels were smart guys, FWIW.

    > To my knowledge, no notable communists have gone on record as stating that they want the descendants of wealthy people to become a permanent underclass, to be enslaved or exterminated at will.

    Lenin. “Exterminated at will” was a core component of the Bolshevik platform. I can dig up some quotes (but you can do it yourself).

    The Khmer Rouge didn’t invent, they went back to their ideological roots.

  200. @Tiny Duck
    @Altai

    The land was forcibly taken from the Bruce family simply because they were black. Bravo Bruce family for getting it back. Bravo California for taking on the project of reparations. Only by righting the wrongs that can be documented are we going to move beyond our shameful past. The effort to research and prove these cases is well worth it.

    Just because something is "legal and legitimate" doesn't mean it was proper. They took it and then did nothing with it, so it seems the only reason they took it was because the owners were black.

    We Dems are on greased skids heading down an ice covered mountain toward a catastrophic Midterm. Issues such as 'Defund the Police' 'CRT' 'Free College' 'Cost of living monthly paychecks' 'Climate Change' 'Cancel culture' and various demands pouring in from far left groups are scaring the hell out of the suburban women and Independents who carried Joe Biden to victory last year. See Virginia.

    I just hope the "Message" and "Messaging" around Blacks reclaiming land from Whites doesn't alienate even more voters. This hyper divided country can't agree on what day of the week it is.

    We need to take a more measured approach and introduce positive change gradually.

    Replies: @TWS, @Buffalo Joe, @Anon Anon

    Do you have an addiction to being wrong?

  201. @Rich
    This might be an excellent move by the dems. What could possibly wake up more suburban Whites than the prospect of losing the equity in their houses? It's easy to let poor Whites be forced to go to school with and live among the colored folks, but when you start touching proudly democrat Whites net worth, we might have a chance at saving the country. I'm waiting for the next economic downturn for more Whites to take a good look at affirmative action programs and start getting angry when their kids lose school slots and jobs because of the job set asides for unqualified blacks.

    And this new term "Tulsa Race Massacre" is getting on my nerves. There was a battle between Whites and blacks, and Whitey won. And as usual, Whitey was magnanimous in victory and didn't massacre anyone. These guys change history more than Big Brother.

    Replies: @Anon Anon

    Reality is only real to them if they think it supports their BS, it doesn’t matter all contemporary documents tell a story fairly different from the ones they are trying to tell you. It doesn’t matter all of the jewish/black narratives from the time are self evidently bullshit that lack anykind of physical evidence and most of the time aren’t even repeated today in full because they fuck up modern narratives. Its a massacre where the side they say was massacred started the killing and kept shooting the entire time, and hundreds died despite there being no physical evidence for this assertion and if the search for evidence of this ludicrous claim comes up short then they will just dig up the blacks the people they are claiming are liars said died and act like that proves their bullshit narratives somehow aren’t bullshit.

    And the funny thing is that not even all of the destroyed businesses and property where actually black owned, a large portion was White owned as this “black wallstreet” was a business district in a big oiltown where most business was conducted by Whites who set up the industries that where the source of the towns wealth.

    • Agree: Rich
  202. @rebel yell
    @Achmed E. Newman

    "Ridiculous" is a relative term and therefore has no limits. In India sacred cows wander the streets of modern cities causing traffic jams. The locals worship the dumb animals and tourists find the whole thing charming. In America we have sacred blacks, and there is no limit to what we will do or tolerate for our sacred objects, as long as tax payers and lower class whites are the only ones who suffer the consequences.
    So a black family gets ocean front property worth millions free from the taxpayers while whites like Reginald Denny get nothing.

    Replies: @Escher

    At least some of the cows can be milked.
    In America the blacks are the ones doing the milking.

  203. @Achmed E. Newman
    @AndrewR

    Sorry for the late reply, Andrew. I'm sure you've read lots of more absurd things on this website. This time it may be absurd to you because you didn't read my blog post, and you still don't understand who these people are.

    I will not repeat my whole post (that's why I linked to it), but let me give you the gist of it. It's not about whether these people have read Marx and Lenin or the little Red Book of Chairman Mao. There are thousands of times more useful idiots that work "as" Communists to destroy society than there are actual believers. This has been true for every one of their long-running revolutions. As Cajun ex-Cuban Humberto Fontova said in a great interview with Stefan Molyneux, the people who went for this in Cuba 60-odd years ago, and all the other times are Los Resentidos, "The Resentful Ones".

    The people at the Washington Post are not purposefully pushing a Communist agenda, per se, but they are some of the useful idiots - actually many are more like useless idiots.

    It's all about taking your stuff, Andrew. EVERY! SINGLE! TIME!

    Replies: @James N. Kennett

    If the agenda is communist, we have to wonder why is it supported by large businesses, including a newspaper owned by the richest man in the world. I agree that it is about taking people’s stuff, but whose stuff? Not their stuff, to be sure, but ours.

    There are always people who feel resentment, and want to change the world so that people like themselves have more wealth, power and status. Many of them are attracted to careers in journalism where they can become “thought leaders” (previously known as “opinion formers”).

    In 2011, the “Occupy Wall Street” protests spooked corporate America. Its reaction was to bankroll the “woke” movement, in order to redirect radicals away from OWS and into causes that would not harm the bottom line. So much the better if those causes also humiliated the majority of their employees, and made them feel that their jobs were insecure and could be terminated in the name of “social justice”.

    This is the theme of the book “Woke, Inc.” by Vivek Ramaswamy, which I linked to here.

    The journalists at WaPo are indeed useful idiots, but they are useful idiots of large corporations and the ultra-wealthy. Wokeism is a kind of controlled opposition.

    P.S. I keep reading “Los Resentidos” as “Los Residentos”. Perhaps some of the resentful would like to become residents by taking the equity in our property, which ties in with Steve’s theme.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  204. @Anonymous
    @Art Deco

    No, he's right. Japanese corporate culture is heavily based on early 20th century American corporate culture. It seems strange because America has changed a lot since then.

    This was a big motivation behind the 1960s/70s 'counterculture'. Young people were rebelling against the idea that you should join a corporation at age 18 or 21, work like a dog for it for 40+ years, then retire just before you die. Americans didn't want to live like that anymore.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    No, he’s right. Japanese corporate culture is heavily based on early 20th century American corporate culture. It seems strange because America has changed a lot since then.

    No, he’s wrong. Early 20th century work rules were commonly harsh and the notion that any substantial group of workers had guaranteed employment is a fantasy.

    • Replies: @Hhsiii
    @Art Deco

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endicott_Johnson_Corporation

  205. @Art Deco
    @Anonymous

    No, he’s right. Japanese corporate culture is heavily based on early 20th century American corporate culture. It seems strange because America has changed a lot since then.

    No, he's wrong. Early 20th century work rules were commonly harsh and the notion that any substantial group of workers had guaranteed employment is a fantasy.

    Replies: @Hhsiii

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