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From the American Journal of Psychology:

Between-Group Mean Differences in Intelligence in the United States Are >0% Genetically Caused: Five Converging Lines of Evidence

Russell T. Warne

Vol. 134, No. 4 (Winter 2021), pp. 480-501 (23 pages)

Published By: University of Illinois Press

Abstract
The past 30 years of research in intelligence has produced a wealth of knowledge about the causes and consequences of differences in intelligence between individuals, and today mainstream opinion is that individual differences in intelligence are caused by both genetic and environmental influences. Much more contentious is the discussion over the cause of mean intelligence differences between racial or ethnic groups. In contrast to the general consensus that interindividual differences are both genetic and environmental in origin, some claim that mean intelligence differences between racial groups are completely environmental in origin, whereas others postulate a mix of genetic and environmental causes. In this article I discuss 5 lines of research that provide evidence that mean differences in intelligence between racial and ethnic groups are partially genetic. These lines of evidence are findings in support of Spearman’s hypothesis, consistent results from tests of measurement invariance across American racial groups, the mathematical relationship that exists for between-group and within-group sources of heritability, genomic data derived from genome-wide association studies of intelligence and polygenic scores applied to diverse samples, and admixture studies. I also discuss future potential lines of evidence regarding the causes of average group differences across racial groups. However, the data are not fully conclusive, and the exact degree to which genes influence intergroup mean differences in intelligence is not known. This discussion applies only to native English speakers born in the United States and not necessarily to any other human populations.

Sounds plausible.

Warne is a professor at Utah Valley U. and the author of In the Know. Debunking 35 Myths about Human Intelligence.

 
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  1. Anonymous[234] • Disclaimer says:

    Warne’s book is excellent. But putting “>0%” in the title is wimpy. Given everything known, it’s basically completely implausible for it to be in single digits.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @anon
  2. IHTG says:

    I suspect that’s a rather deliberate headline.

    • Agree: Hangnail Hans, Charon
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Cloudbuster
  3. Warne is a professor at Utah Valley U. and the author of In the Know. Debunking 35 Myths about Human Intelligence.

    Correction: Warne used to teach at some place no one’s ever heard of, and is now the author of Mea Maxima Culpa: Why My Dunce Cap is Blue.

    His family have entered the Federal Witness Protection Program.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  4. Anon[135] • Disclaimer says:

    Did anything in particular provoke him to make his Twitter feed private a couple of months ago? He posted a lot of photos of his kids … maybe he had second thoughts about that? He’s still publishing blog posts.

  5. Anonymous[115] • Disclaimer says:
    @IHTG

    I suspect that’s a rather deliberate headline.

    What do you mean, please?

  6. Anonymous[115] • Disclaimer says:

    However, the data are not fully conclusive, and the exact degree to which genes influence intergroup mean differences in intelligence is not known.

    Are data ever “fully conclusive”?

    Is the “exact degree” to which a variable influences an outcome ever known?

    • Thanks: Charon
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  7. This paper offers a glimmer of hope that the censorship blockade on recent research showing clearly that there is a large genetic component to the test-score gap is slowly cracking. The paper is very cautious and only mentions the recent admixture regression research (which really settles the issue conclusively) briefly in a few spots. It downplays some of the important earlier findings of Jensen and Rushton concerning brain size differences. The >0% is a political cop-out of course since the evidence from admixture regression indicates more like >80%.

    He was able to get the paper past the censors, who are extremely aggressive and have massive institutional support in university administrations and funding bodies, and get it into American Journal of Psychology!

  8. @Hangnail Hans

    Russell T Warne = Lawless return. Laurels strewn.

  9. Why does the word ‘tautology’ come to mind?

    Would ‘non-trivial’ be better than ‘>0%’ ?

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  10. This evidence has been around forever, so why would this report change anything. Between the censors and the cowards, facts don’t matter and never have.

    • Agree: Ben tillman, Cloudbuster
  11. I prefer <100%.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  12. Charles Murray is always kissing up to Jonah Goldberg, trying to get a pat on the head. Jonah has now resigned from FoxNews over Tucker Carlson.

    It’s nice to see Murray, Goldberg, William Kristol, Stephen Hayes and most of the other “conservatives” who hate White people having a voice become marginalized.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/2-fox-news-pundits-quit-082720423.html

    • Replies: @Curle
  13. BCB232 says:

    I guess I sound like Steve but if I were a researcher, I would start with the hypothesis that it’s 50/50 and work from there, given all the evidence that it’s a least partially genetic.

  14. BCB232 says:

    There is a chart that floated around the HDB sphere where they showed the results of polling of psychometricians. None of them thought it was 100% genetic. There was a (minority) cluster of them who thought it was 100% environmental. Who is more likely to be ideologically motivated?

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    , @res
  15. Spud Boy says:

    “…some claim that mean intelligence differences between racial groups are completely environmental in origin…”

    In the Leftist hive mind, if we don’t constantly hammer this untruth, it will give cover to those nasty people on the Right who are just dying for an excuse to march certain ethnic groups into concentration camps.

  16. Jack D says:
    @Anonymous

    But it points out the ridiculousness of the absolutist position that between group differences are COMPLETELY environmental.

    And remember that that ZERO is the mainstream (non-scientific) legal and political consensus today. Any number greater than zero is “racist”.

    If group A scores lower on some test than group B, not only is the difference purely environmental but it must be to group B’s racism or something wrong with the test. Nothing is wrong with group A.

    So to get people to concede to even single digits of genetic explanation would be a triumph. This is exactly why it is fiercely resisted – once you allow the camel’s nose in the tent, the rest of the camel may follow. If group differences are NOT due to racism, then the money and benefits train may come to a halt.

    • Agree: Rob, res
  17. Well, I guess the anti-white Left will lay off now. We finally found the chart that wins them over.

    No one will care. They don’t hate us and want us dead because they actually believe that there are no genetic differences. Just as there’s no Magic Dirt, there’s no Magic Chart that will change their minds. They hate us and want us dead because we’re white.

    That’s their motivation. They’re not confused about anything. They simply hate us. I’m not sure why people around here can’t figure that out.

  18. Flemur says:

    Woke behavioral geneticists: Emil O. W. Kirkegaard’s in-depth review of Harden’s “The Genetic Lottery”.

    “The main falsehoods, or lies if you think Kathryn is doing it on purpose (jury is still out IMO), begin in chapter 4.”

    • Thanks: MEH 0910, Unladen Swallow
  19. Samson700 says:

    Could someone post a link to the full text?

  20. Flemur says:
    @Jack D

    Any number greater than zero is “racist”.

    Rreminds me of this old joke:

    A man asks a woman if she would have sex with him for a Million dollars.

    The woman says “yes!”

    The man then asks “Would you have sex with me for one dollar?”

    “NO! what do you think I am?!” she replies

    “I think we already established that, now we’re just negotiating”

  21. Beliavsky says:

    Off-topic, but maybe of interest to iSteve readers:

    https://www.nber.org/papers/w29509
    Headstrong Girls and Dependent Boys: Gender Differences in the Labor Market Returns to Child Behavior
    Robert Kaestner & Ofer Malamud
    WORKING PAPER 29509
    DOI 10.3386/w29509
    ISSUE DATE November 2021
    The authors use data from the Children of the National Longitudinal Survey of Youth (C-NLSY79) to examine gender differences in the associations between child behavioral problems and early adult earnings. They find large and significant earnings penalties for women who exhibited more headstrong behavior and for men who exhibited more dependent behavior as children. In contrast, there are no penalties for men who were headstrong or for women who were dependent. While other child behavioral problems are also associated with labor market earnings, their associations are not significantly different by gender. The gender differences in headstrong and dependent behavior are not explained by education, marriage, depression, self-esteem, health, or adult personality traits. However, one potential explanation is that these gender differences are a consequence of deviations from gender norms and stereotypes in the workplace.

    • Replies: @Bill
  22. Off topic:

    Big day today in Charlottesville…the wrong verdict and Fat Jewish Lesbians and the homosexual pederast Antifa get to determine who has free speech and who doesn’t….

    Judge Norman Moon…a cucked Deep South “Man” of the South has since 2017 aiding and abetting Fat Jewish Lesbians and the homosexual PEDERAST Antifa….Deep South Evangelical “Christianity” is a gutter religion…The Women are whores…The “Men” are cucked faggots….

  23. Turkeheimer and an associate just published an article in a journal attacking Pesta and Emil K for an article of theirs.

    It’s 35 bucks. Has anyone seen it? This might be the first essay in a while arguing for no differences.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    , @res
  24. If it looks like a duck, and walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it probably is a duck.

    In other words, when something really is true, all the lines of inquiry lead to the same conclusion. To take a counter-example, well, that conclusion from DNA research that Hispaniola had a pre-contact population of only twenty-thirty thousand is suspect; other approaches to the same question — historical, environmental — suggest radically different figures.

    Conversely — although I am sure the researchers above meant something else — however we look at blacks, the answer comes back the same. IQ tests, socio-economic status, academic achievement, personal experience (for those of us who have actually worked with a representative sample)…all roads lead to the same conclusion.

    Blacks are dumber than posts. You can even simply look at them: proportionate to their body size, they have smaller skulls than other races do.

    • Replies: @Anon
  25. @Jack D

    ‘So to get people to concede to even single digits of genetic explanation would be a triumph. This is exactly why it is fiercely resisted – once you allow the camel’s nose in the tent, the rest of the camel may follow. If group differences are NOT due to racism, then the money and benefits train may come to a halt.’

    The irony is that because we won’t admit blacks are less intelligent than other groups, our supposedly well-intentioned interventions don’t do any good.

    There’s no point in making it easier for blacks to get into M.I.T. — few full-on blacks have the intelligence to take advantage of such an opportunity. On the other hand, letting in hordes of illegals obviously puts blacks into competition with a better-behaved, more intelligent population for the sort of jobs most blacks could handle.

    Our current policies don’t really help anyone — least of all the average black. That’s because we refuse to admit the truth. Proceeding on the basis of a lie rarely works out. We could help blacks — but we don’t.

  26. res says:

    Does anyone have the full text? I haven’t been able to find it. Hopefully James Thompson will dig into the meat of the paper.

    It will be interesting to see the response to Warne’s paper. Searching Google for the title over the last month I only see:

    A post with the abstract and a bunch of references at
    https://www.econjobrumors.com/topic/between-group-mean-differences-in-intelligence-in-the-united-states-are-0-gene

    Somebody’s links for the day at https://axisofordinary.substack.com/p/links-for-2021-11-22

    A couple of links to Steve’s post to at this aggregator
    https://snewsi.com/tag/Genetically+Caused+Five+Converging+Lines

    No links to the Unz Review of course. I guess it is still blacklisted from Google.

    DuckDuckGo adds Steve’s post and the Vdare repost of it. Also the paper link (odd that it does not appear in my Google search!).

    Searching Google for the DOI is more interesting because it returns a bunch of re/tweets. What is odd is that Charles Murray’s tweet (the origin of most of the retweets) does NOT appear.

    Kevin Bird makes an appearance in the replies with his usual incisive and devastating analysis: “None of the info is new but it is wrong”

    Searching DuckDuckGo for the DOI only returns the paper itself. Its lack of Twitter coverage is a weakness here.

    Emil’s most recent blog post (Nov 18) is a review of Kathryn Paige Harden’s book, but ties in heavily with Warne’s work.

    https://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/2021/11/woke-behavioral-geneticists/

    Also see this 2019 paper.
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/337592508_Racial_and_ethnic_group_differences_in_the_heritability_of_intelligence_A_systematic_review_and_meta-analysis

    P.S. The paper has not made Russell Warne’s homepage yet. There he says to contact him for paper access.
    https://russellwarne.com/peer-reviewed-articles/

    He has another paper in press:
    No strong evidence of stereotype threat in females: A reassessment of the Picho-Kiroga et al. (2021) meta-analysis.

    • Thanks: Calvin Hobbes, MEH 0910, ic1000
    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
  27. Odin says:
    @Jack D

    If group A scores lower on some test than group B, not only is the difference purely environmental but it must be to group B’s racism or something wrong with the test.

    Unless the test involves jump shots.

    • Replies: @Hangnail Hans
  28. anon[276] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    It’s on purpose. Analogous to: it’s okay to be white.

    • Thanks: Ben tillman
  29. @Anonymous

    Are data ever “fully conclusive”?

    Once the science is “settled”!

  30. @Henry's Cat

    I prefer <100%.

    0< ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ <100.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
  31. The environment affects the genes. Lamarck was right.

    • Replies: @Rob
  32. I think Murray has proven in his futile efforts that academia is not interested in facts and figures when it comes to race.

    What difference does one more study make or even thousands if they want to suppress the truth?

    This massive ruse will only end when the people have had enough. The colleges will defend their lies even if the cities around them are literally burning. Liberal professors know that they are lying. What does Murray expect them to do? Admit that their careers are fraudulent and offer their 6 figure salaries to someone else?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  33. anon[394] • Disclaimer says:

    Please alert Mr. Warne that a consensus is by definition general.

    And the weekend’s undocumented shopping leads me to wonder if scientific investigation by Mr. Warne and others in his specialty should now shift to the question of the extent to which intelligence even matters for members of a group that has achieved the status of royalty.

  34. @res

    The JSTOR link is contained in the tweet from ‘A New Radical Centrism’; put that link into sci-hub (current working mirror is sci.hubg.org) and you will get the PDF.

    I can’t get the link out of that tweet, because I’m currently ‘suspended’ from Twitter until I take down a tweet (which I’m not going to do).

    If people continue to use Twitter as their primary vehicle for self-promotion, they are complying with the fuckbags who run Twitter – which is like being an enemy collaborator (and therefore entitles them to a knife between the ribs).

    • Replies: @res
  35. @Jack D

    I suspect that the “>0%” is what the “woke” call a dog whistle. Any knowledgeable person reading this will quietly think “>60% and probably closer to 80%”.

  36. anon[816] • Disclaimer says:

    this guy is a fucking moron. i’d explain but comment wouldn’t be posted because HBDer censorship. sad.

    — actual BGI volunteer

    • LOL: Alfa158
    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Rob
  37. Jack D says:
    @anon

    i’d explain but comment wouldn’t be posted

    Then why did you make this comment? Either your comment kvetching that your comment wouldn’t be posted wouldn’t in fact be posted, in which case no one would see it, or else it WOULD be posted, thus proving you wrong. So either way, you’re an idiot.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    , @Reg Cæsar
  38. Jack D says:
    @John Johnson

    It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”

    ― Upton Sinclair

    I realize that his quote should be cleaned up, just like RBG’s outdated reference to “pregnant women” , but I will leave that as an exercise to the Woke reader.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  39. @The Alarmist

    In contrast to the general consensus that interindividual differences are both genetic and environmental in origin, some claim that mean intelligence differences between racial groups are completely environmental in origin,

    Ten fingers, ten toes–ok. Anything that is basically at fixation. Sure.

    But anything which is still under selection, for which there are individual differences, must have group differences. Those differences can be absolutely trivial or profound. But as individuals are born and die, the groups will bounce around. Selection must have been, and must remain absolutely identical for the groups to be “identical”. Which is essentially impossible.

    Now the extent of the differences–empirical question.

    Seriously we’re trying to have an “argument” about something for which one side is mathematically impossible.

    And worse, the impossible position is the officially approved narrative, utterly dominant in our social policy, education, law and politics.

  40. Anon[526] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    Regarding Hispaniola’s population. It’s been known for a long time in Anthropology that a population which has a hunting-gathering lifestyle can feed no more than one person per square mile. They’ve done studies about calories produced per square mile of land from both plant and animals foods. Try to fit more than that 1 person per square mile and you’ll starve.

    Square mileage of Hispaniola=29,529. That’s a maximum population of 29,529 people without starvation. 23,000 sounds about right.

  41. @Jack D

    Great quote, I’ll update it.

    It is difficult to get a White liberal professor to understand something, when her salary depends on lying and pretending to not understand it, and when her downtown loft and luxury car payment depends on her salary.”

  42. Anon[526] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: That dirtbag who ran over people in Waukesha? Before that, he RAN OVER the mother of his child. In a car. This isn’t the first time he’s deliberately run over someone. He was also fleeing the scene of a domestic dispute when he plowed into the parade. No doubt he was the cause of the domestic dispute.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10230145/Pictured-Driver-SUV-plowed-crowds-Waukesha-Christmas-parade.html

    You know what? If whites would just crack down HARD on black males who commit crimes against black women, it would end up protecting whites, too. Abusive blacks target both.

  43. Whiskey says: • Website
    @Anon

    White people are just going to have to live with black people trying to run them over with vehicles. It will never stop and will never change until the last White person is dead, to quote Marx somewhat (last priest strangled with the entrails of the last king).

    That’s just going to be part of the racial vengeance visited upon Whites.

    The lesson is: A. Don’t be White. B. Try to be black. C. Don’t ever be White.

    The powers that be want this. So take your cues.

  44. Bert says:

    Three and a half converging lines of evidence indicate that there is a >100% chance that today was the post-2009 NASDQ rally’s final day.

  45. @Jack D

    Woke Inc. expects a certain level of productivity from its minions. He/she/they/theyx/it/itx have to meet certain posting metrics or lose his/her/their/theyx’s/it’s/itx’s year end bonus. Follow the money.

  46. @Colin Wright

    Yes, you are absolutely correct. This needs to be said more often, because the social effects of the progressive ideology are completely at odds with its stated purposes (and, therefore, DR3 isn’t quite the mug’s game that many on the Alt-Right make it out to be).

    It also provides a good opportunity to delve a little more deeply into the psychology that motivates this all. The Goodwhites of the Earl Warren provenance seem to think of themselves as Prometheans, angels, or Tolkienian elves who go around “awakening” blacks, but this is all just rationalization. They don’t really do the objects of their attention any good, and if they had seriously intended to, they would have realized by now that a complete change in methodology was in order. Their real purpose is to confirm themselves in the angelic elite, independently of outcomes. Consequently their efforts are limited to showering blacks with money (mostly other people’s money) and dispensing indulgences for black criminality. It is a form of conspicuous consumption for them, although somewhat inverted in nature. They readily dispose of benefits to blacks that inflict huge social costs on everybody, simply to show that they have the power to do it.

    The whole corpus of “cultural Marxism” and CRT springs fully formed out of this attitude without needing to be tutored or implanted in the mind, as it is only the working out in idea what was nascently present in the will. Since the Goodwhites operate from pride and vainglory, their true master is the devil. In attempting to be angels in their own estimation, and giving not the glory to God nor following His precepts, they converted themselves into demons. Every institution they destroy, every unjust boon that they grant, every criminal they free, is a burnt offering that consecrates another piece of reality to Moloch. Evil thus gains a real, physical presence in the world and begins to function like an army of the possessed, with what results we see.

    It is a disturbing conclusion. We cannot fight this on our own. We will need divine help to affect a reconquista and send these demonic spirits back to hell where they belong. That, however, is the job of every chosen race, every chosen generation, every saintly individual. Pray God to give us strength and to circumscribe the evil, for dark days are upon us.

    • Thanks: Calvin Hobbes
  47. @Anon

    ‘Regarding Hispaniola’s population. It’s been known for a long time in Anthropology that a population which has a hunting-gathering lifestyle can feed no more than one person per square mile. They’ve done studies about calories produced per square mile of land from both plant and animals foods. Try to fit more than that 1 person per square mile and you’ll starve.’

    ‘Square mileage of Hispaniola=29,529. That’s a maximum population of 29,529 people without starvation. 23,000 sounds about right.’

    Mighty fine…except the Taino practiced agriculture.

  48. @Anon

    Would fish be included in that?
    I know it would be fish line at best, or shellfish gathering, but would that increase things for Hispaniola (which has a lot of coast land)?

  49. Ralph L says:

    Has anyone tried turning over some below average kids to Tiger Moms for a few years to see if their scores change much? Or are they afraid to debunk nurture?

  50. @Anon

    Regarding Hispaniola’s population. It’s been known for a long time in Anthropology that a population which has a hunting-gathering lifestyle can feed no more than one person per square mile.

    Seems like a reasonable average, but highly dependent upon environment.

    A productive coastal environment would seem to do much, much better than that. My layman’s understanding is the first out-of-Africa push was along the coast. Which makes sense, fishing, clamming, etc. are skill sets that transfer pretty well as you move, unlike some hunting and gathering knowledge/skills.

    My guess would be the explorers original high counts were mostly marketing hype, but also the result of encountering decently populated coastal villages.

  51. Rob says:
    @obwandiyag

    • Disagree: @Rob

    Why a comment instead of a regular disagree? I get three reactions a day. I ain’t wastin’ one on no Lamarck!

  52. @Randolph Winningham

    Turkheimer …

    LOL. Yet another noisemaker doing politics, but calling it “science”.

    Which is not to say i dispute his general contention that genes loom bigger in differences in outcome among the wealthier. (Generally “environment” is most salient when it’s bad–ex. malnutrition. Seems obvious to me.) But his race denial is just minoritarian (anti-white-gentile) assertion.

    In a normal/sane society, he’d just be some crank and couldn’t hold an academic job in any respectible institution, much less UVA.

    • Replies: @edkpyros
  53. @Anon

    You know what? If whites would just crack down HARD on black males who commit crimes against black women, it would end up protecting whites, too. Abusive blacks target both.

    What kind of Nazi are you?

  54. @Jack D

    Commenters comment about how their comments are held up or quashed on Steve’s page. Well, a short tour through the laxer threads under Buchanan and Derbyshire pieces should illustrate the wisdom of this. Pat and Derb’s columns are like luxury condos built above the city landfill or a nuclear waste dump.

    • Replies: @Rob
    , @Anon
  55. Rob says:
    @anon

    To divide the human race into two cubes, a fourth race, or in general any population into two races of the same denomination above the second is impossible, and I have assuredly found an admirable proof of this, but the comment box is too narrow to contain it.

    • LOL: PiltdownMan
  56. Daniel H says:

    OT: Well, the flagship university system of the United States has finally decided to do away with the SAT (and any other standardized test alternative) ALTOGETHER. This is good news, really. This hurts your enemies, more than it discomforts you.

    Asians looking for support, let them go whine someplace else, not at the alt right/white.

    https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-11-18/uc-slams-door-on-sat-and-all-standardized-admissions-tests?utm_id=42788&sfmc_id=2422861

  57. @Colin Wright

    You know where American blacks can compete on an equal footing? Africa. Maybe even more than equal in some countries.

    • Replies: @thenon
  58. OT:

    Mathematician and science writer John Allen Paulos, belatedly catching up with Mr. Sailer, writes about means, standard deviations, talent in groups, allocations and fairness. I doubt though, that 99% of his readership will get it.


    Sometimes It’s Just Math

    “In any case the bottom line is that statistical deviations from proportionality will almost certainly result whatever measures are taken. Sadly, virulent biases and resentments are all too real and pervasive without making them our unthinking first inference when confronted with such deviations. Sometimes it’s just math.”

    https://3quarksdaily.com/3quarksdaily/2021/11/sometimes-its-just-math.html#more-204235

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  59. @IHTG

    >0% chance you are correct.

  60. Rob says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    In fairness to Derb, I think he has nothing at all to do with the comments section. It’s not that he planted a garden and it turned into a jungle. He built a house in the desert and a jungle sprang up around it.

    None of the above is meant to disparage rainforests. I mean forests that identify as rainforests regardless of the amount of rain the do or do not get. Who are we to judge forests like this?

  61. Anonymous[530] • Disclaimer says:

    Meanwhile, emboldened feral negroes of Oakland clean out a neighborhood jewelry store…

    To the sociopath libs who reassure themselves with “their insurance will pay for it,” that may be true… once. Typically their insurance provider will drop their coverage immediately, and any other provider will insist on insane rates, making reopening impossible.

    Conclusion: Destroyed business, destroyed family, boarded up shop, and as usual, no liberal accountability for the outcome of their insane policies.

    • Thanks: Polistra
  62. @PiltdownMan

    ‘ I doubt though, that 99% of his readership will get it.’

    That may be a feature rather than a bug.

    The neo-KGB will catch up with all of us some day and give us our nine grams — but for now, we can have fun.

  63. Rosie says:
    @Jack D

    But it points out the ridiculousness of the absolutist position that between group differences are COMPLETELY environmental.

    Indeed. I thought that was Steve’s sense of humor, not a real headline!

  64. @BCB232

    There is a chart that floated around the HDB sphere where they showed the results of polling of psychometricians. None of them thought it was 100% genetic. There was a (minority) cluster of them who thought it was 100% environmental. Who is more likely to be ideologically motivated?

    What professors will poll anonymously and what they will publish with their names are two entirely different matters.

    • Replies: @BCB232
  65. @Anon

    You know what? If whites would just crack down HARD on black males who commit crimes against black women, it would end up protecting whites, too. Abusive blacks target both.

    Whites, Blacks, just about everyone in the justice system is stuck in an endless loop.

    1. Crack down on Blacks over (drugs/abuse/gangs)!!!!!!
    2. Too many Blacks in prison!! Stop being so harsh on them / We can’t afford more prisons.
    3. Goto 1

  66. MEH 0910 says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Less Than Zero · Elvis Costello

    [MORE]

    Less Than Zero (Live At The Nashville Rooms / 1977) · Elvis Costello

    http://www.elviscostello.info/wiki/index.php/Less_Than_Zero

  67. Anon[899] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Commenters comment about how their comments are held up or quashed on Steve’s page. Well, a short tour through the laxer threads under Buchanan and Derbyshire pieces should illustrate the wisdom of this.

    Really? How do you know comments have been quashed? My best guess from my experience here:

    1. Steve edits the n-word and names of minors but still publishes.

    2. Steve deletes doxxing by anybody of anybody.

    3. Ron’s system holds for moderation any comments by Anon or Anonymous or an unregistered name. Steve, when he gets around to moderating them, applies 1 and 2 above and publishes if they pass.

    I believe number 3 is usually the source of “quashing” complaints. Also, commenters may be careless and not notice the “too many comments for one day” message after submitting a comment and think it’s been deleted by Steve. Finally, WordPress, the system underlying Unz.com, allows for strings to be specified, which if they appear in a comment, would put it into moderation, and perhaps Steve uses this, and then puts these through 1 and 2.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  68. @Odin

    Why wouldn’t a test involve jump shots? Unless it was specifically trying to be racist, that is? And weaves and nails and bootylicious lycra for the ladeez?

    Any test that fails to focus on things [nearly typed “thighs”] like this is manifestly racist and cause for billion dollar settlements.

    You guys may think I’m kidding, but there’s a direct line from where we are now to exactly this point.

    • Agree: Polistra
  69. edkpyros says:
    @AnotherDad

    I love how Turkenheimer admits he hired Harden despite her poor grades — and solely because of her high standardized test scores.

    • Thanks: Polistra
  70. @Anonymous

    The insurers will be sued for redlining–it’s exactly the same thing–and the eventual outcome will be taxpayer-funded insurance. Sort of like federal flood insurance.

    It’s only a matter of time. Would you rather have jewelry deserts?

    • Agree: Polistra
  71. ziggurat says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    I think one of the major reasons for “anti-whiteism” is that whites are the one group who won’t defend themselves. Thus, politicians and activists can gain power & money by attacking whites, while virtue signaling that they are helping “vulnerable minorities”. These racial grifters don’t suffer what should be a white backlash.

    I find it inspirational what the 2% have done, to protect and support their ethnic heritage. If whites were mostly unified in opposition to “anti-whiteism”, then anything would be possible.

  72. @Citizen of a Silly Country

    I’m reminded of how McFly tried to minimize how much Biff was humiliating him in Back to the Future. McFly laughed off each intimidation as if it were a big ol’ joke because he lacked the courage to stand up to Biff. So, he tries to act like really he’s not really a victim as a way of saving his public ego.

    A lot of folks around here, the CivNats, the IQ worshippers and rest remind me of McFly.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  73. @Anon

    Really? How do you know comments have been quashed?

    I don’t, just taking the complainers’ word for it. Maybe once a year one of mine doesn’t go through. There’s no way to tell what was wrong with it, or if it was just lost in the mail. The comments themselves were anodyne. Maybe the jokes were dumb.

    Anyway, Steve’s comment thread is relatively free of the obsessives and obsessions seen almost everywhere else at this site. Audacious and Anatoly’s, too.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
  74. BCB232 says:
    @John Johnson

    “What professors will poll anonymously and what they will publish with their names are two entirely different matters.”

    Regardless of political correctness, I bet none of them believe it’s 100% genetic because that defies basic common sense. Bad nutrition, severe neglect, physical or mental abuse, terrible learning environment. It’s obvious to anyone that it’s not ALL genetic. But there’s a small, dedicated cluster on the other side of the debate that seems to lack common sense – come on – NONE of it’s genetic/innate?!!!

    There was an old Three Stooges episode where the Larry, Moe and Curly were the subject of a debate among two professors (nature vs. nurture). Back then, people seemed to have enough sense to know “breeding” and upbringing matter. Now we’re ideologues.

    • Replies: @Rob
    , @res
  75. thenon says:
    @Cloudbuster

    My understanding is that African Americans are much disliked in the Dark Continent for constant complaining about the quality of goods and services, sort of like The Ugly American on steroids. However, this raises an interesting question; why not arrange to send Afro-American convicts to third world areas with a stipend of say 1000 a month for beer food and women? This is a quarter of what it costs to support them in prison. Perhaps with chips implanted to ensure that the individual is identified during receipt of said stipend and to ensure non-return. Beer, sex with females and a nice hut would sound like a nice deal. In fact it sounds so good to me that I might get a race change operation myself.

  76. LP5 says:
    @Anonymous

    Libs have a multiplier effect, just not what they espouse.

  77. res says:
    @Randolph Winningham

    Thanks. No full text at PubMed, but the link makes a useful reference (title and DOI).
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34793248/

    I don’t see the paper at SciHub or Libgen yet, but I am guessing it will show up there. Hopefully Emil will make a reply in his blog.

    If you read the abstract closely I don’t think they are arguing for no genetic differences explicitly. It reads more like a standard FUD attack.

    In 2020, Pesta et al. published an article entitled “Racial and Ethnic Group Differences in the Heritability of Intelligence: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis” in the journal Intelligence. The authors framed their analysis as an examination of the Scarr-Rowe hypothesis, which holds that the heritability of intelligence varies as a function of socioeconomic status. Pesta et al. concluded that the heritability of intelligence does not differ across racial and ethnic groups in the United States. They claimed their results challenge the Scarr-Rowe hypothesis and support the hereditarian position that mean differences in IQ among racial and ethnic groups are attributable to genetic differences rather than environmental disparities. In this commentary, we outline severe theoretical, methodological, and rhetorical flaws in every step of Pesta et al.’s meta-analysis. The most reliable finding from Pesta et al. is consistent with the Scarr-Rowe hypothesis and directly contradicts a hereditarian understanding of group differences in intelligence. Finally, we suggest that Pesta et al. serves as an example of how racially motivated and poorly executed work can find its way into a mainstream scientific journal, underscoring the importance of robust peer review and rigorous editorial judgment in the open-science era.

    BTW, “Isolated Demands for Rigor” is an extremely common tactic. I wonder if Turkheimer is equally scrupulous about the work in references with conclusions he likes (especially those he cites).
    https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/08/14/beware-isolated-demands-for-rigor/

    • Replies: @Bill
  78. res says:
    @Kratoklastes

    Thanks (especially for that Sci-Hub mirror, which is not one I had seen before, I have been using se and your mirror links to ru).

    Have you tried it? Here is the JSTOR link
    https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.5406/amerjpsyc.134.4.0479

    I get subtly different behavior with the link vs. the DOI and at different mirrors (e.g. blank screen vs. article not found), but nothing has worked for me.

  79. Rob says:
    @BCB232

    Bad nutrition, severe neglect, physical or mental abuse, terrible learning environment. It’s obvious to anyone that it’s not ALL genetic.

    I do not doubt that all of those lower IQ. What I doubt is that subjecting your kids to those things has nothing to do with genetics.

    Pretty much the only “environmental” effect on IQ anyone has found is “genetic nurture.” This is the impact (ok, the correlation, the PGS) of the genes of your parents that you did not inherit. For anyone on the “nurture” or “racism” side of the causes of population differences, this must be an infuriating thing to discover.

    [MORE]

    On inter-individual differences, I think “genetic nurture” is arguably an environmental source of variation. Your kids do not inherit alleles from their grandparents that you and your reproductive partner did not inherit your parents. On the other hand, I think that for differences between populations genetic nurture falls on the nature side.

    Consider that one could probably find a “genetic neighbor” effect on various phenotypes. This would be the influence of the genes of your neighbors on your phenotype. To take one rare phenotype, I am sure that being shot and paralyzed from a drive-by shooting is influenced by the genes of your neighbors. If they were not the sort of people to do drive-by shootings, you would not be paralyzed. But on a population level, that is a genetic influence on phenotype. Like, maybe if you had been raised among a different population, you would not be paralyzed. But we cannot raise all blacks away from all other blacks. There are too many black people for that. Not to mention, in a generation, the genetic neighbor effect would likely come back as blacks were more excluded (due to behavioral and intellectual differences) from having nice, non-driving by neighbors than whites.

    It’s kind of like the reductio ad absurdum patriotic Americans have regarding Mexican and Central American immigration.

    Cuck: “We have to let Mexicans immigrate. They are fleeing the horrible levels of violent crime in Mexico!”
    Patriot: “We should let all the Mexicans immigrate to get them away from the crime.”

    Actually, the crime rate of Hispanics is fairly similar to black people. In Mexico, Mexicans have a high murder rate. In America, they have a much lower murder rate. Is their crime rate nature or nurture. Well, in the environment they create for themselves is largely a product of their genes, their extended phenotype, they have a high crime rate. In the environment produced by Anglo genes, they have a lower crime rate. So what will happen in, say, 2080, when Hispanics are by far the majority in the country? It remains to be seen, but my money is that their extended phenotype exerts more pull than Anglo ways.

    All of this is assuming genetic nurture is a real thing for various traits, and is not just caused by assortative and cross-assortative mating on various traits. I’m sure the assortative mating on any particular allele with a tiny effect on intelligence is minuscule, but overall assortative mating for intelligence is fairly strong. That would look like genetic nurture but would go away in panmixia.

    • Replies: @BCB232
  80. res says:
    @Anonymous

    Thanks for that Walgreens tweet. Here is another photo of that along with a 500+ comment Reddit thread.

    Banner from a closed Walgreens on Clement St. from sanfrancisco

  81. @Anonymous

    To the sociopath libs who reassure themselves with “their insurance will pay for it,” that may be true… once. Typically their insurance provider will drop their coverage immediately, and any other provider will insist on insane rates, making reopening impossible.

    Liberals and even many conservatives view insurance as an automatic payout system.

    You file your claim, get your money, keep paying the monthly bill. They think it all works like auto insurance.

    They don’t get that insurance is not a right. There are actual people behind these insurance companies that can decide that the business simply isn’t worth insuring.

  82. anon[307] • Disclaimer says:

    i told you it wouldn’t be posted because HBD censorship.

    steve is dumber than antifa.

    sad.

  83. BCB232 says:
    @Rob

    @Rob, yes that sounds like a very detailed way of saying that it’s hard to separate genes and environment – I agree.

  84. Full text seems to have vanished from web search engines, but I located an unblocked version before it was deep sixed.

    https://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/wp-content/uploads/Russell-Warne-5-lines-2021.pdf

  85. Bill says:
    @Beliavsky

    Wow. So being unusually abnormal is bad for you. Imagine.

  86. Bill says:
    @res

    Yeah, burden of proof games is the most common type of academic lying. Bizarre claims about what’s “interesting” and what isn’t is number two.

  87. @Loyalty Over IQ Worship

    A lot of folks around here, the CivNats, the IQ worshippers and rest remind me of McFly.

    I think of People’s Front of Judea. Just need a few more meetings and bylaws that declare the establishment to be wrong. Maybe one more book about test scores and the establishment elite will change their minds and admit it is all a fraud.

  88. Mike Tre says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Steve flushes at least one of mine per month. The last one was a reply to the insufferable fake white troll Thomm, who must have sent Steve some pay off money because he gets a pass on saying some things that make the comments of mine that get flushed look like Sunday School lectures.

    Pointing this out is of course, complaining. But I’ve come to the right place because I suppose most of us congregate here to complain about the loss of our nature, culture and heritage, but that’s Good Complaining, as opposed to bad complaining.

  89. res says:
    @BCB232

    I bet none of them believe it’s 100% genetic because that defies basic common sense. Bad nutrition, severe neglect, physical or mental abuse, terrible learning environment. It’s obvious to anyone that it’s not ALL genetic.

    Even if the environment contributes, the group differences could still appear as 100% (or more!) due to genetics. Consider the case of a Harrison Bergeron/Brave New World variant where all white infants had an environmental insult applied which cost them (on average) 2/3 SD of IQ. That would decrease the B/W gap, say from 1 SD to 1/3 SD. For the sake of argument say the starting genetic gap was 2/3 SD you then have a situation where the genetic contribution changes from 67% to 200%.

    Remember that much of the environmental variance is going to be within rather than between groups. The within group environmental variance will average out statistically leaving the between group comparison only involving the average genetic B/W difference and the average environmental B/W difference. This statistical averaging makes it possible for the genetic contribution to group differences to be greater than the genetic contribution to individual differences (heritability, basically).

    BTW, that’s the reason for focusing on the US B/W gap when discussing this. The US B/W environmental gap is likely to be much smaller (and more uniform) than the US White/African Black environmental gap.

  90. @Intelligent Dasein

    Thanks. I’m not sure I fully understand the religious implications of your post, but it is enlightening. I’m neither religious nor do I believe in the supernatural, but increasingly I sense something evil on the left. I may not see G-d, but I do see the devil on the left. From witch burning to the all the 20th century ‘isms’ to our current madness – all contain a common thread of a particular type of evil.

    My default is to see this all from a Burkean-Kirkean perspective. The hard-earned wisdom of healthy societies against a twisted logic that assumes man has no internal nature or self. A good example would be transgenderism, ie “I feel like a woman, so I’m going to mutilate my body and this does no harm to others.” It’s insidious, and hard to fight with the standard conservative tool kit, but we intuitively sense the danger and wickedness.

    I reached many of the same conclusions as Christians, but through HBD. The human brain has a natural moral-behavioral template, which most healthy societies have adapted around. Any attempts to radically disrupt this nature for grandiose ends will inevitably fail and lead to the evil we see today. One thing this pandemic hysteria and the Great Awokening have caused me to miss and appreciate is Christianity. We would certainly do better – and did better – under Christianity.

    I think we’re all on the same side here in that we are in opposition to the same evil.

  91. @Intelligent Dasein

    Very well said.

    This is exactly the case, and honestly the most erudite and “intellectually honest” members (some of whom formerly posted on Unz) of this Demonic faction even say so outloud.

    They are religious leaders and mid-level followers, all of them, and they are forming a vehicle by which greater evil may enter the world, under the delusion of self-righteousness or a more honest and psychotic power lust.

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