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From the Washington Post opinion section:

‘Wakanda Forever’ and the importance of #BlackGirlGenius

By Karen Attiah
Columnist
November 25, 2022 at 10:00 a.m. EST

… But what I was most struck by was how [Black Panther: Wakanda Forever] portrays Black girls and women and technology. It leads us to imagine a world in which Black girls are technological geniuses and the weapons that White men use are, in Gen. Okoye’s words, “so primitive.” “Black Panther 2” invites us to imagine Black women as not just inventors but the proprietary owners of their inventions and resources, with no obligations to share with the Western world.

… It’s refreshing to see, even fictionally, an African nation strong enough to deny the West its resources and its technology — a complete reversal of today’s world order.

Wakanda won’t share its Magic Dirt, vibranium, with the West, who are stuck with their Tragic Dirt.

… Given all this, “Black Panther” is a bit of a technological-revenge fantasy. In the movie, the genius inventor is an American Black college student named Riri Williams, a.k.a. “Ironheart” (Dominique Thorne), who is studying at MIT. She develops a crucial piece of technology that everyone wants to get their hands on.

… Shuri, Riri and their respective technological geniuses are the true heroines of “Black Panther.” … Shuri and Riri realize their fullest individual potential through the technology they create and share with one another.

So, what if we lived in a world where Black girls were encouraged to be inventors in science and technology? Or where Black women could protect and benefit from their own creativity and genius? The U.S. Patent Office does not keep racial demographic data, but a 2010 study found that while U.S. inventors in general received 235 patents per million people, Black inventors received six patents per million people. And of course, we know that White male innovators get the lion’s share of financial backing — recent studies showed that women received only 2.7 percent of venture capital funding. And Black founders receive less than 3 percent.

So this holiday weekend, I’m grateful that “Black Panther 2” exists to show us what #BlackGirlGenius looks like. As we think about the gadgets that make our lives better, let’s all think about how many real-life Shuri and Riris are out there who don’t get the chance they should to make an impact on the world.

I liked Black Panther and I admire Ryan Coogler for having previously revived the Rocky franchise with his boxing movie Creed. But this sequel, which I haven’t seen, sounds like a mess, which can presumably be blamed on the first Black Panther’s hero, Chadwick Boseman, dying of cancer a couple of years ago.

Coogler has his (highly masculine) strong suits, but confecting this kind of you-go-girl nonsense sure doesn’t sound like it’s one of them.

 
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  1. Irene Cara? Dead at 63.

    • Replies: @Tom F.
    @Bardon Kaldlan

    "Fame! I'm gonna live forever!"

    Point of information, one of her '90s roommates was then-unfamous Tina Fey.


    "Black Panther 2" - was created by two whites, Jack Kirby and Stan Lee (b. Lieber, brother of Marvel Bullpen stalwart Larry Lieber).

    Replies: @Richard B

    , @Richard B
    @Bardon Kaldlan


    … It’s refreshing to see, even fictionally, an African nation strong enough to deny the West its resources and its technology — a complete reversal of today’s world order.
     
    Nietzsche called it their bold inversion of reality.
    Of course, he wasn't talking about blacks.
  2. The Walter Mitty approach to Black advancement.

    • Agree: PiltdownMan, 36 ulster
    • Replies: @Director95
    @New Dealer

    Wakanda - a childish black fantasy. A grown man should not play mind-games with silly fantasy films; you can connect anything with anything and still make no sense.

  3. A totally brainwashed society is fully unaware of the scientifically proven facts of race realism.

    We must stop quietly respecting wishful thinking and total misinformation. We must vigorously oppose lying by commission and omission.

    What looks funny in the movie analysis has totally destroyed Zimbabwe, South Africa, Detroit, Malmoe and more.

    It is time to demand FULL DISCLOSURE and TOTAL SCIENTIFIC HONESTY and oppose the brainwashing.

    • Replies: @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    @SiNCERITY.net

    SINCERITY writes, "What looks funny in the movie analysis has totally destroyed Zimbabwe, South Africa, Detroit, Malmoe and more."

    What has totally destroyed Malmö ? It doesn't look totally destroyed to me.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malm%C3%B6

    Replies: @Jus' Sayin'..., @Reg Cæsar

  4. Black geniuses in technology must be easy to find

    What about that kid who invented a clock and got to meet Obama? What happened to him?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Steven Carr

    You’re a racist — Ahmed Mohammed, say his name, didn’t invent a clock, he invented THE clock. FULL-STOP.


    Goodluck today @USMNT ! USA USA USA!!! ❤️🇺🇸 #FIFAWorldCup pic.twitter.com/FQtKKug3Nl— Ahmed Mohamed (@IStandWithAhmed) November 25, 2022
     
    , @JimDandy
    @Steven Carr

    I believe he was an Arab falsely accused of making a bomb because he wanted people to think it was a bomb and then he lied like a shithead kid and said, "It's just a clock!" and then Obama endorsed that position.

    Replies: @Ian Smith

    , @Colin Wright
    @Steven Carr

    '...What about that kid who invented a clock and got to meet Obama? What happened to him?'

    Maybe the next one really was a bomb.

    It would explain the silence since.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    , @martin_2
    @Steven Carr

    Yes, what did become of him? Has he grown up to be a cutting edge computer scientist? I hoped, at the time of this particular kerfuffle that there would be a follow up a few years later, because I strongly suspected that the said young men would have, let as say, not fulfilled his earlier promise.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Jus' Sayin'...

    , @Kim
    @Steven Carr


    What about that kid who invented a clock and got to meet Obama? What happened to him?
     
    Obama thought the pizza man had delivered him and he was never seen again.
  5. Normally a religion revolves around belief in some super-natural events or revelations that are either in unknowable past or “explain” the normal operation of the world.

    Being in a society that now has a religious doctrine more or less equivalent to “the sun comes up in the West” is a pretty darn depressing experience. (Which is perhaps the point.)

    • Agree: Matthew Kelly
    • LOL: martin_2
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @AnotherDad


    Being in a society that now has a religious doctrine more or less equivalent to “the sun comes up in the West” is a pretty darn depressing experience.
     
    Now you know how the Russians, Poles, Hungarians, Czechs, and Chinese peons felt for 4-7 decades. It's part of the Communist ritual of humiliation, AnotherDad.

    The black people enjoying the movie may really not know better. The people that make the movies, and the people that encourage and extol all these "sun rising in the west" obvious lies enjoy making Americans agree in public with this all ... until we don't. I'm done agreeing! Maybe iSteve will be nice about all this shit until he's in a big crowd being pushed towards a long wide ditch.

    (Which is perhaps the point.)
     
    Indeed.

    Replies: @Pixo, @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr.

  6. Invert the races and sexes to see the blatant racism

    “White Panther 2” invites us to imagine Whites, men as not just inventors but the proprietary owners of their inventions and resources, with no obligations to share with the non-Western world.

    No transfer of technology, no cell phones, no medicine, no modern agriculture, no electricity, no opposition to slavery in non-Western countries.

    No empowering physically weaker women to trample upon men

    So, what if we lived in a world where under 5 foot girls were encouraged to play in NFL and NBA?

    To us knowing basic facts, this makes about as much sense as the original statement

    So, what if we lived in a world where Black girls were encouraged to be inventors in science and technology?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @SiNCERITY.net

    '...So, what if we lived in a world where under 5 foot girls were encouraged to play in NFL and NBA?

    To us knowing basic facts, this makes about as much sense as the original statement

    So, what if we lived in a world where Black girls were encouraged to be inventors in science and technology?'

    It's interesting to note that, theoretically, your sub-five foot girl basketballers could be so good that they could compete. Kinda like one of those Filipino flyweights kicking my ass. It's a humiliating thought, but it could happen. I mean. there could be this girl, and she could be so quick, and so agile, and such a good shot, that...

    But a black inventrix? Nahh...next stop is my dog mastering chess. Not gonna happen.

    Here, I'll stop to point out that almost all our reasonably intelligent 'blacks' are half to three quarters white. Your actual all-black blacks are seriously stupid. I mean, stupid. Really, really stupid...

    Really. Seriously.

    Stupid.

  7. Back in 2000 the Onion could mock the movie cliche by having a scrappy band of misfit campers contain:

    African-American computer expert Malcolm “Hackmeister” LaVont

    https://www.theonion.com/scrappy-band-of-lovable-misfits-no-match-for-rich-kids-1819565867

    I was actually annoyed that the Mission: Impossible sequels added Simon Pegg for a technician role when the original De Palma film already had Ving Rhames’ Luther Stickell.

    • Replies: @Kim
    @TGGP


    Back in 2000 the Onion could mock the movie cliche by having a scrappy band of misfit campers contain:
     
    When I was a boy (((Mad Magazine))) used to do (very unfunny) rips on current movies.

    If it still exists, it might do one on this movie. "Bleecchanda Forever", I suppose they would call it. If they dared.

    Replies: @Nachum, @PiltdownMan

  8. The whole Black Panther franchise is very racist in conception, and I do mean racist against black people.

    Here’s this group of black people with unearned advanced technology courtesy of a plot device that amounts to magic. And after 7000 years their social organization hasn’t advanced past “big boss” tribal organization.

    Making money off gullible schwartzers while making fun of them.

    • Agree: notsaying
    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @Joe Magarac


    Here’s this group of black people with unearned advanced technology courtesy of a plot device that amounts to magic. And after 7000 years their social organization hasn’t advanced past “big boss” tribal organization.
     
    I don't think it's mockery. I think the point is to pretend that black/African tribal customs aren't ridiculously incompatible with modern, high tech civilization. But only if you're black. That's how they lure the suckers in.

    If you're a white high tech civilization you of course have to open your borders to everyone in the world and give up all of your traditional customs in order to prosper. Even so much as accidentally saying "Merry Christmas" to a nonbeliever will set white civilization back 500 years, dontcha know?
    , @J.Ross
    @Joe Magarac

    Quibble. European political advance came along and through European technological churn. If a society was gifted a revelation-technology, instead of earning it through various wars and projects (which bring political change), then wouldn't their political thinking be frozen at the moment of revelation?
    Compare the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
    It's still a shameful fantasy to have, because it's a sloth-pride fantasy, but the idea that their political development would not keep pace with the English, absent everything the English went through, sounds about right.

  9. On a somewhat related note, black woman refuses to pay checked baggage fee, refuses to deplane. Reason: “we tired”

    https://nypost.com/2022/11/25/enraged-couple-forces-entire-frontier-airlines-plane-to-disembark/amp/

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Batman

    OTOH, you can almost sympathize with these folks - traveling for 20 hrs because there's no direct flight (or at least one that they can afford), then you are ALMOST at the jetway and Frontier has this new indignity - you have to fit your "personal item" into a little cage or else they will extort another $60 from you on the spot.

    Of course what they did was wrong but charging your customer $60 because their bag is a few inches too big is also wrong. Except this couple got thrown off the plane and put on a no-fly list for their wrong and the CEO of Frontier gets a big bonus every time he figures out a new way to extort his customers. Want to book a flight on the phone? $35 per ticket, please. Want to check in at the airport with a human instead of a machine - that's another charge. Want a cup of water on the plane? That's a charge. Pay toilets next? An extra charge for being allowed to sit down on the plane (they already try to charge you if you want to pick a seat in advance)?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  10. Here Steve, this looks like something you can have a sidewways look at.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/average-home-size-every-us-state-2022

    • Thanks: Muggles
    • LOL: Forbes
  11. U.S. inventors in general received 235 patents per million people, Black inventors received six patents per million people.

    Received! Not earned or anything like that. Simply bestowed upon undeserving, privileged whites, asians, whatever.

    I’m grateful that “Black Panther 2” exists to show us what #BlackGirlGenius looks like.

    It’s actually unclear whether or not this journalist knows that wakanda movies are fictional. I propose that we take up a collection to send her there. One-way ticket.

    • LOL: silviosilver
  12. @Bardon Kaldlan
    Irene Cara? Dead at 63.

    Replies: @Tom F., @Richard B

    “Fame! I’m gonna live forever!”

    Point of information, one of her ’90s roommates was then-unfamous Tina Fey.

    “Black Panther 2” – was created by two whites, Jack Kirby and Stan Lee (b. Lieber, brother of Marvel Bullpen stalwart Larry Lieber).

    • Replies: @Richard B
    @Tom F.


    “Black Panther 2” – was created by two whites, Jack Kirby and Stan Lee (b. Lieber, brother of Marvel Bullpen stalwart Larry Lieber).
     
    ...two whites. Haha!

    Replies: @Tom F.

  13. I saw the trailer for this in a theater and it looked very much a black you go girl movie.

    It’s going on my Never Watch This list where it will join Wakanda.

    • Agree: JimDandy
  14. Narcissism and megalomania seem to run so rampant in the female demographic of the black community. They all seem to be want to be known as “queens,” plus there’s the constant invocation of “black girl magic,” even though it didn’t seem to work out quite so well for Simone Biles in the Olympics. Now this Ghanaian-American writer for the Washington Post is extolling the merits of a comic book movie. The juvenile and simplistic nature of all this is really quite breathtaking. This is really a sad state of affairs for a people who seem to want to be taken seriously.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @PaceLaw


    for a people who seem to want to be taken seriously.
     
    I question the premise, as you opened: Narcissism and megalomania seem to run so rampant...
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @PaceLaw


    This is really a sad state of affairs for a people who seem to want to be taken seriously.
     
    It will be quite satisfying if and when push comes to shove. For now, most Blacks outside of Africa are in ‘expensive exotic pet’ mode.
    , @puttheforkdown
    @PaceLaw

    Yet at the same time they are massively insecure and will lose their minds if something as superficial as their hair is insulted. Why? Because deep down they know they're at the bottom of the SMV/dating totem pole/whatever you call it, and they can't live with this fact. Therefore they must cope by doubling down on their delusion, so that itt becomes so ridiculous they can almost believe it. Sadly, eventually reality crashes through and then you get sheboon meltdowns!

  15. @SiNCERITY.net
    A totally brainwashed society is fully unaware of the scientifically proven facts of race realism.

    We must stop quietly respecting wishful thinking and total misinformation. We must vigorously oppose lying by commission and omission.

    What looks funny in the movie analysis has totally destroyed Zimbabwe, South Africa, Detroit, Malmoe and more.

    It is time to demand FULL DISCLOSURE and TOTAL SCIENTIFIC HONESTY and oppose the brainwashing.

    Replies: @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    SINCERITY writes, “What looks funny in the movie analysis has totally destroyed Zimbabwe, South Africa, Detroit, Malmoe and more.”

    What has totally destroyed Malmö ? It doesn’t look totally destroyed to me.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malm%C3%B6

    • Disagree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...
    @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)


    What has totally destroyed Malmö ? It doesn’t look totally destroyed to me.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malm%C3%B6
     
    If you think Wikipedia is a good source for information about immigrant-related crime in Sweden then you need professional help. I hope that you are not crazy enough to cite Snopes on a topic like this. Google is no better.

    Try a DuckDuckGo search on "malmo rape" to see accurate info on Malmo like these:

    https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Malmo-called-Europes-capital-of-rape-and-why-is-it-so-criminal-and-dangerous?share=1

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5197675/Hundreds-protest-Sweden-series-gang-rapes.html

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3022743/sweden-malmo-immigration-nigel-farage-ylva-johansson-rape-statistics-u-turn/
    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)



    What looks funny in the movie analysis has totally destroyed Zimbabwe, South Africa, Detroit, Malmoe and more.
     
    What has totally destroyed Malmö ? It doesn’t look totally destroyed to me.
     
    Illiterate redundancy aside, over 50,000 malmöiter, or a sixth of the population, were born in or near the Middle East. Add to that their children born in Sweden or other Western countries. Wikipedia says the population is 12% Islamic (likely an undercount), which is in the danger zone.


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malm%C3%B6#Demographics


    Not "destroyed", but a long way thither. Compare to Copenhagen across the sound.

    Replies: @Kim, @Peter Lund

  16. this kind of you-go-girl nonsense

    Doesn’t seem to have much of a real audience IRL.

  17. @PaceLaw
    Narcissism and megalomania seem to run so rampant in the female demographic of the black community. They all seem to be want to be known as “queens,” plus there’s the constant invocation of “black girl magic,” even though it didn’t seem to work out quite so well for Simone Biles in the Olympics. Now this Ghanaian-American writer for the Washington Post is extolling the merits of a comic book movie. The juvenile and simplistic nature of all this is really quite breathtaking. This is really a sad state of affairs for a people who seem to want to be taken seriously.

    Replies: @Forbes, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @puttheforkdown

    for a people who seem to want to be taken seriously.

    I question the premise, as you opened: Narcissism and megalomania seem to run so rampant…

  18. After filming Black Panther, director Ryan Coogler wants to have children, and more specifically, he wants daughters.

    According to The YBF, the 31-year-old opened up about wanting children with his wife, Zinzi Evans.

    “I found I want daughters real, real bad,” he said during an interview with the site after working with the women cast members for the film. “Like plural. I thought, making Fruitvale Station, I want kids. But like, on this one, I have to have some daughters.”

    • Replies: @Joe S.Walker
    @JimDandy

    News item c.2040: director Coogler's daughters caught on video of mass black girl catfight in fast-food outlet, rolling on the floor and falling out of their skimpy tops.

    Replies: @JimDandy

  19. “I admire Ryan Coogler for having previously revived the Rocky franchise with his boxing movie Creed.”

    Exactly why is that? Rocky is a timeless classic and didn’t need to be ripped off, plagiarized, dumbed down etc. The first Creed was a complete 100% rip off of Rocky (1976), almost scene for scene. Only the names and colors had changed. Rocky wasn’t broken, thus there wasn’t any great need to fix it, except of course to give blacks the “hope” that they can have “their” safe spaces, and “their” heroes on celluloid.

    Anyone in Hollywood can rewrite/plagiarize/steal/ripoff a classic film, that doesn’t take any special creative genius. It’s actually a sign of a hack, and a half-assed one at that.

    Say what one will of Ford, Hitchcock, Welles, Wilder, DeMille, Hawks, etc. but at least they chose original material and didn’t rip off already established films.

    Sorry, Steve. Can’t quite put Coogler in the same sentence as creative auteurs Ford, Welles, Hitchcock, Hawks, etc.

    As far as Afrocentric entertainment goes, at least Black Panther is a unique concept–a land all their own, by them and for them.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    "Creed" gave Sylvester Stallone his best role in decades, getting him his second Oscar nomination.

    Replies: @old statistician, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Mike Tre

    , @Brás Cubas
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi


    Say what one will of Ford, Hitchcock, Welles, Wilder, DeMille, Hawks, etc. but at least they chose original material and didn’t rip off already established films.
     
    Ford's The Lost Patrol was a remake. Ford directed Judge Priest and its approximate remake The Sun Shines Bright.
    Hitchcock made The Man Who Knew Too Much twice (same title on both versions).
    Wilder directed the remake of The Front Page.
    DeMille made The Ten Commandments twice.
    Hawks directed Rio Bravo, and apparently liked it so much that he made two approximate remakes, El Dorado and Rio Lobo.
    Welles reworked many concepts from Citizen Kane in Mr. Arkadin.
  20. Black Panther is not a hero and certainly not a superhero. Its a story about a bratty black king of a crap nation that wants to coup against him and hia family because they stink as rulers. But he has an impracticle suit made of metal that is jonetheless form fitting and bends with every movement like fabric, so he is able to suppress the other black people and continue to tyranize them. And that only allows for one story, the one above. So no sequel is truly possible.

  21. Welcome to the future where political analysis based on a completely fictional movie is taken seriously.

    I was reminded of the selfishness of Western nations during the height of the global covid-19 pandemic when these nations gobbled up lifesaving vaccines and left Africa largely out of the equation.

    Gobbled them up? Where did they come from? Wakanda?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @John Johnson

    John, I gave up my shot so some poor African could get the vaccine and the blood clots instead. Sally Struthers would be so proud! (In fact, I did this to have some small chance of getting in her pants.)

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Dmon, @Harry Baldwin, @SafeNow

    , @Half Canadian
    @John Johnson

    Africa is doing better without the vaccine than the Western Nations who had it.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @John Johnson

    , @OilcanFloyd
    @John Johnson


    Welcome to the future where political analysis based on a completely fictional movie is taken seriously.
     
    That future has been here forever. South Park is a good recent example. I can't believe how many adults I've met who take that cartoon seriously. The Simpsons is another recent example. To Kill a Mockingbird is an older example, but the cartoons for adults are the worst.
  22. The last really good movie made was probably Bridge on the River Kwai. Anyone paying his own good money to see Black Panther or Creed is a sucker and is part of the problem by encouraging this anti-white-man idiocy.

  23. Attiah:

    But I found myself fascinated by the technology in the film [e.a.] and the African women behind it.

    So this holiday weekend, I’m grateful that “Black Panther 2” exists to show us what #BlackGirlGenius looks like.

    Wasn’t all the technology behind the film overwhelmingly due to the inventions of White men? A visual lineup of all the inventors (past and present) of the technology which made the film possible would be interesting: there should be a ‘hidden figures’ slideshow on the Wakanda Forever Blu-ray menu.

  24. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "I admire Ryan Coogler for having previously revived the Rocky franchise with his boxing movie Creed."

    Exactly why is that? Rocky is a timeless classic and didn't need to be ripped off, plagiarized, dumbed down etc. The first Creed was a complete 100% rip off of Rocky (1976), almost scene for scene. Only the names and colors had changed. Rocky wasn't broken, thus there wasn't any great need to fix it, except of course to give blacks the "hope" that they can have "their" safe spaces, and "their" heroes on celluloid.

    Anyone in Hollywood can rewrite/plagiarize/steal/ripoff a classic film, that doesn't take any special creative genius. It's actually a sign of a hack, and a half-assed one at that.

    Say what one will of Ford, Hitchcock, Welles, Wilder, DeMille, Hawks, etc. but at least they chose original material and didn't rip off already established films.

    Sorry, Steve. Can't quite put Coogler in the same sentence as creative auteurs Ford, Welles, Hitchcock, Hawks, etc.

    As far as Afrocentric entertainment goes, at least Black Panther is a unique concept--a land all their own, by them and for them.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Brás Cubas

    “Creed” gave Sylvester Stallone his best role in decades, getting him his second Oscar nomination.

    • Replies: @old statistician
    @Steve Sailer

    Stallone is a good actor and he had his choice of scripts for decades. (for the record, the only movies I saw with him between Rocky and today were much better for him being in them - but he did not exactly choose challenging roles to play).

    Let's face it, more likely than not, that famous actor we think of as "devoted to the craft" does not give half a flying fig about being a great actor.

    It is as if they all know they will almost all, or even all, be completely forgotten in a generation or two, and their lives are reasonably focused on other things. Seriously, no Oscar winner of the last 10 or 20 years thinks they are in the same class as Olivier and Richardson, and actors, of all people, know that even Olivier and Richardson will be forgotten when future generations find actors to care about at that level.

    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Steve Sailer

    His 2nd Oscar nomination for the same role he originally created back in 1976.

    It's technically his 3rd Oscar nomination, as he was also nominated for best screenplay for Rocky.

    But still unconvinced about putting Coogler in the same sentence of artistic creativity as John Ford, Orson Welles, Alfred Hitchcock, and others.

    , @Mike Tre
    @Steve Sailer

    Got that rube? Steve was entertained, and didn’t feel guilty about black inferiority for a couple hours.

    That’s all that matters!

  25. @PaceLaw
    Narcissism and megalomania seem to run so rampant in the female demographic of the black community. They all seem to be want to be known as “queens,” plus there’s the constant invocation of “black girl magic,” even though it didn’t seem to work out quite so well for Simone Biles in the Olympics. Now this Ghanaian-American writer for the Washington Post is extolling the merits of a comic book movie. The juvenile and simplistic nature of all this is really quite breathtaking. This is really a sad state of affairs for a people who seem to want to be taken seriously.

    Replies: @Forbes, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @puttheforkdown

    This is really a sad state of affairs for a people who seem to want to be taken seriously.

    It will be quite satisfying if and when push comes to shove. For now, most Blacks outside of Africa are in ‘expensive exotic pet’ mode.

  26. @AnotherDad
    Normally a religion revolves around belief in some super-natural events or revelations that are either in unknowable past or "explain" the normal operation of the world.

    Being in a society that now has a religious doctrine more or less equivalent to "the sun comes up in the West" is a pretty darn depressing experience. (Which is perhaps the point.)

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Being in a society that now has a religious doctrine more or less equivalent to “the sun comes up in the West” is a pretty darn depressing experience.

    Now you know how the Russians, Poles, Hungarians, Czechs, and Chinese peons felt for 4-7 decades. It’s part of the Communist ritual of humiliation, AnotherDad.

    The black people enjoying the movie may really not know better. The people that make the movies, and the people that encourage and extol all these “sun rising in the west” obvious lies enjoy making Americans agree in public with this all … until we don’t. I’m done agreeing! Maybe iSteve will be nice about all this shit until he’s in a big crowd being pushed towards a long wide ditch.

    (Which is perhaps the point.)

    Indeed.

    • Replies: @Pixo
    @Achmed E. Newman

    “ It’s part of the Communist ritual of humiliation, AnotherDad.”

    For unconnected whites qualified for and blocked from joining the verbal overclass, yeah the mandatory black IQ fantasies are humiliating.

    But prole to upper middle class whites generally believe racial IQ egalitarianism. Or maybe they might concede Asians are a little better at math. Even those who can correctly posit whites are much smarter than blacks on every test and in every endeavor don’t realize how big the gap is: blacks would be well under 1% of elite colleges with fair admissions, and none would rank in the top 100 of any scientific discipline.

    1000+ hours per year of TV and movie propaganda where blacks are a third of computer geniuses and scientists and get more than half the non-corrupt judge roles is almost perfectly effective propaganda.

    And for we whites who have navigated our way into elite status and are aware of race and IQ issues, lacking the right to discuss the issues openly is kind of a drag, but not actually humiliating. We can still discuss it in cloaked language, and look forward to a late-career period like Amy Wax where we can speak openly.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Stan Adams, @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr.
    @Achmed E. Newman

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wjKQQpPVifY

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  27. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    @SiNCERITY.net

    SINCERITY writes, "What looks funny in the movie analysis has totally destroyed Zimbabwe, South Africa, Detroit, Malmoe and more."

    What has totally destroyed Malmö ? It doesn't look totally destroyed to me.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malm%C3%B6

    Replies: @Jus' Sayin'..., @Reg Cæsar

    What has totally destroyed Malmö ? It doesn’t look totally destroyed to me.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malm%C3%B6

    If you think Wikipedia is a good source for information about immigrant-related crime in Sweden then you need professional help. I hope that you are not crazy enough to cite Snopes on a topic like this. Google is no better.

    Try a DuckDuckGo search on “malmo rape” to see accurate info on Malmo like these:

    https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Malmo-called-Europes-capital-of-rape-and-why-is-it-so-criminal-and-dangerous?share=1

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5197675/Hundreds-protest-Sweden-series-gang-rapes.html

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3022743/sweden-malmo-immigration-nigel-farage-ylva-johansson-rape-statistics-u-turn/

    • Agree: Gordo
  28. anonymous[726] • Disclaimer says:

    People often remind me of this dumb scene (I guess because real people are even dumber than Ron Howard movies):

    When John ends up in hot water in grad school for not going to class or having made any progress on his research, his professor shows him a ceremony among Princeton faculty as a kind of “kick in the pants” to his young mentee. In the ritual, the professors show up at one particular colleague’s table and present him with their pens.

    The point/symbolism? To recognize some massive achievement that the faculty member has just racked up:

    HELINGER: Do you see what they’re doing in there? It’s the pens. Reserved for a member of the department that makes the achievement of a lifetime. Now, what do you see, John?

    JOHN: Recognition.

    […]

    HELINGER: Well, try seeing accomplishment.

    Seems like non-white males see a lot of recognition and crave a lot of recognition. But accomplishment? Not so much.

  29. Take a stroll down the halls of a typical American High School and you will see the posters promoting “Girls in STEM” Almost all larger schools have programs dedicated specifically to promoting girls in STEM. Just do an internet search and multiple .org’s will pop up dedicated to this concept, like this one https://girlstart.org/about-us/ Yet all this promotion and $$$ can’t seemingly get girls to overcome there desire to do nursing, managing non-profits and or go into the soft side of marketing, not the statistics or research side.

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
  30. It leads us to imagine a world in which Black girls are technological geniuses and the weapons that White men use are, in Gen. Okoye’s words, “so primitive.”

    This is so stupid it even isn’t funny.

    • Replies: @Michigan Patriot
    @Bardon Kaldian

    100 % correct !

  31. … Given all this, “Black Panther” is a bit of a technological-revenge fantasy.

    It seems like most Hollywood movies nowadays are revenge fantasies. The premises of the movies themselves are a kind of revenge against white and/or white Christian society.

  32. @John Johnson
    Welcome to the future where political analysis based on a completely fictional movie is taken seriously.

    I was reminded of the selfishness of Western nations during the height of the global covid-19 pandemic when these nations gobbled up lifesaving vaccines and left Africa largely out of the equation.

    Gobbled them up? Where did they come from? Wakanda?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Half Canadian, @OilcanFloyd

    John, I gave up my shot so some poor African could get the vaccine and the blood clots instead. Sally Struthers would be so proud! (In fact, I did this to have some small chance of getting in her pants.)

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Achmed E. Newman

    '...John, I gave up my shot so some poor African could get the vaccine and the blood clots instead. Sally Struthers would be so proud! (In fact, I did this to have some small chance of getting in her pants.)'

    ? The African's or Sally Struthers'?

    , @Dmon
    @Achmed E. Newman

    They could get you, your entire family, and a decent sized walrus in her pants. Just tell the driver of the F-150 to pull forward a little.

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I suspect that if you got into Sally Struthers' pants today you'd encounter an adult diaper.

    , @SafeNow
    @Achmed E. Newman


    Sally Struthers
     
    Ah, yes. Memories. We still remember. But I must amend the possible implication that the repeat exposure of a weekly tv show, or whatever, is required to create this type of memory that endures. Here is the Bernstein speech from Citizen Kane. Roger Ebert called it the best piece of dialog written in the history of the movies. Many here will disagree with that. But who here can truthfully say it does not resonate? 63-second video:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=16WC_Dyo6Fo

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  33. Attiah’s comment on WF being a sort of revenge fantasy is apt – in fact Attiah’s own politics and those of the ruling class are a revenge fantasy writ large.

    The other item is her bemoaning the lack of investment capital aimed at little black urban achievers. Despite everything, there are still a number of black Americans in control of huge amounts of money that if they really wanted to could be used for any number of things that would theoretically benefit disadvantaged blacks. But they don’t for the most part – because they want everyone else to foot the bill. There’s no Andrew Carnegie in the black community, but there should be.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Arclight


    There’s no Andrew Carnegie in the black community, but there should be.
     
    Is there even a Dale Carnegie?


    Would a (nominal) Bahamian do?

    https://twitter.com/KatTimpf/status/1593321125794160640?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

    Replies: @Kim

    , @John Johnson
    @Arclight

    Attiah’s comment on WF being a sort of revenge fantasy is apt – in fact Attiah’s own politics and those of the ruling class are a revenge fantasy writ large.

    As evidenced by the fact that she can get paid to write a political thesis based on movie fiction while Steve is given a small corner of the internet for his blatant honesty and utter disregard of ruling class beliefs that are easily shown as false. What an asshole.

    Be sure to check out my newest blog post on how assumptions related Western physics are wrong because of a bugs bunny movie I watched with my kids.

  34. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    @SiNCERITY.net

    SINCERITY writes, "What looks funny in the movie analysis has totally destroyed Zimbabwe, South Africa, Detroit, Malmoe and more."

    What has totally destroyed Malmö ? It doesn't look totally destroyed to me.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malm%C3%B6

    Replies: @Jus' Sayin'..., @Reg Cæsar

    What looks funny in the movie analysis has totally destroyed Zimbabwe, South Africa, Detroit, Malmoe and more.

    What has totally destroyed Malmö ? It doesn’t look totally destroyed to me.

    Illiterate redundancy aside, over 50,000 malmöiter, or a sixth of the population, were born in or near the Middle East. Add to that their children born in Sweden or other Western countries. Wikipedia says the population is 12% Islamic (likely an undercount), which is in the danger zone.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malm%C3%B6#Demographics

    Not “destroyed”, but a long way thither. Compare to Copenhagen across the sound.

    • Replies: @Kim
    @Reg Cæsar


    Illiterate redundancy aside,
     
    Redundancies are not necessarily illiterate (not functional?). They abound in all languages as far as I am aware and have numerous functions, one such being, as in this case, emphasis.

    In the case of "totally" destroyed, surely it usefully allows the very common contrasts such "partially destroyed" and "not totally destroyed". You must appreciate that.

    Languages are not arithmetical arrangments of sharp-edged logical blocks. Language-making is a meaning-making activity and that includes making shades of meaning.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Peter Lund
    @Reg Cæsar


    Not “destroyed”, but a long way thither. Compare to Copenhagen across the sound.
     
    Copenhagen is not doing too well, either.
  35. @Achmed E. Newman
    @AnotherDad


    Being in a society that now has a religious doctrine more or less equivalent to “the sun comes up in the West” is a pretty darn depressing experience.
     
    Now you know how the Russians, Poles, Hungarians, Czechs, and Chinese peons felt for 4-7 decades. It's part of the Communist ritual of humiliation, AnotherDad.

    The black people enjoying the movie may really not know better. The people that make the movies, and the people that encourage and extol all these "sun rising in the west" obvious lies enjoy making Americans agree in public with this all ... until we don't. I'm done agreeing! Maybe iSteve will be nice about all this shit until he's in a big crowd being pushed towards a long wide ditch.

    (Which is perhaps the point.)
     
    Indeed.

    Replies: @Pixo, @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr.

    “ It’s part of the Communist ritual of humiliation, AnotherDad.”

    For unconnected whites qualified for and blocked from joining the verbal overclass, yeah the mandatory black IQ fantasies are humiliating.

    But prole to upper middle class whites generally believe racial IQ egalitarianism. Or maybe they might concede Asians are a little better at math. Even those who can correctly posit whites are much smarter than blacks on every test and in every endeavor don’t realize how big the gap is: blacks would be well under 1% of elite colleges with fair admissions, and none would rank in the top 100 of any scientific discipline.

    1000+ hours per year of TV and movie propaganda where blacks are a third of computer geniuses and scientists and get more than half the non-corrupt judge roles is almost perfectly effective propaganda.

    And for we whites who have navigated our way into elite status and are aware of race and IQ issues, lacking the right to discuss the issues openly is kind of a drag, but not actually humiliating. We can still discuss it in cloaked language, and look forward to a late-career period like Amy Wax where we can speak openly.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Pixo

    But prole to upper middle class whites generally believe racial IQ egalitarianism. Or maybe they might concede Asians are a little better at math.

    This is correct. They can acknowledge the edges and that in some areas there won't be perfect equality.

    But in general they really believe that White people hold back Blacks and that Western society would be farther ahead if not for racist White men.

    They really believe that more diseases would be cured if White men didn't have such hearts of evil. So inventions by White men are completely disregarded because in their minds all that stuff would have been invented anyways. Well why weren't those things invented in pre-colonial Africa? Don't ask such questions. They will never look at you the same way.

    Race denial isn't merely a belief among fuzzy headed liberals. Most Christian conservatives don't believe race is significant beyond the extremes. So they accept that there won't be many Asian linebackers but really believe that evil big government or satanic socialist forces have held back Blacks area. Some Christians even still believe in the curse of Ham. Evolutionary timelines already conflict with creationism and race doesn't help.

    Wakanda 2 will sell tickets because most Whites really believe that race doesn't matter outside of sports. We have Wakanda island only 915 miles from Florida and yet Whites will watch Wakanda 2 and conclude it is such a shame that Whites never let Africans have a chance.

    , @Stan Adams
    @Pixo

    Every year, we piss away thousands of lives and trillions of dollars based on lies about racial equality.


    And for we whites who have navigated our way into elite status
     
    “Ha, ha, the stupid rednecks are butthurt because they can’t say n****r anymore. Fortunately, sophisticated self-proclaimed white elites such as Pixo the Great can continue to insult the darkies in code, even as the county goes to hell. Pass me the Polaner All Fruit, Deidre.”

    When the shit hits the fan, and those pale grubby proles are the only thing standing between you and the marauding African hordes, will you still hold them in contempt?
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Pixo


    1000+ hours per year of TV and movie propaganda where blacks are a third of computer geniuses and scientists and get more than half the non-corrupt judge roles is almost perfectly effective propaganda.
     
    I don't know about that, Pixo. The commercials and movies are just TOO over-the-top to believed by anyone who's in that "prole to upper middle class white" category.

    There's a huge mural in a new section of the big Cincinnati Airport (CVG) terminal in Kentucky. Every one of the dozens of faces on it is black. The hairstyles, face shapes, and such aren't all black, but every White passenger who sees it is inside simply saying "WTF"? It's hard-core now.
  36. @Steve Sailer
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    "Creed" gave Sylvester Stallone his best role in decades, getting him his second Oscar nomination.

    Replies: @old statistician, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Mike Tre

    Stallone is a good actor and he had his choice of scripts for decades. (for the record, the only movies I saw with him between Rocky and today were much better for him being in them – but he did not exactly choose challenging roles to play).

    Let’s face it, more likely than not, that famous actor we think of as “devoted to the craft” does not give half a flying fig about being a great actor.

    It is as if they all know they will almost all, or even all, be completely forgotten in a generation or two, and their lives are reasonably focused on other things. Seriously, no Oscar winner of the last 10 or 20 years thinks they are in the same class as Olivier and Richardson, and actors, of all people, know that even Olivier and Richardson will be forgotten when future generations find actors to care about at that level.

    • Agree: Yojimbo/Zatoichi
  37. @JimDandy
    After filming Black Panther, director Ryan Coogler wants to have children, and more specifically, he wants daughters.

    According to The YBF, the 31-year-old opened up about wanting children with his wife, Zinzi Evans.

    “I found I want daughters real, real bad,” he said during an interview with the site after working with the women cast members for the film. “Like plural. I thought, making Fruitvale Station, I want kids. But like, on this one, I have to have some daughters.”

    Replies: @Joe S.Walker

    News item c.2040: director Coogler’s daughters caught on video of mass black girl catfight in fast-food outlet, rolling on the floor and falling out of their skimpy tops.

    • Agree: Cutter
    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Joe S.Walker

    Yeah, or running America after full SouthAfribrazilification.

  38. “Wakanda Forever” is just silly, just another variation on the “we wuz kangs” Negro fantasies that seem to be proliferating these days in almost perfect synchrony with rising levels of Negro dysfunction.

    A truly evil movie with origins in the same BLM/SJW/woke fantasy world is “The Woman King”. (https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2022/09/18/woke-fail-boycottwomanking-trends-over-slave-trade-whitewashing/).

    This movie portrays the Kingdom of Dahomey’s (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahomey) so-called “Amazons” as stylishly dressed defenders of their fellow Africans against the depredations of European slave traders. In fact, the King of Dahomey made his kingdom rich and powerful by enslaving Africans from neighboring tribes and killing/torturing to death any he didn’t enslave. The slaves were then either sold at the coast to Europeans in the Atlantic slave trade or frequently sacrificed in Ju Ju religious rituals. The Dahomeyan king entrusted his Amazons with this task. They would raid villages, killing or torturing to death anyone not suitable for slavery, burning the village to the ground, and bringing captured slaves back to the coast.

    The women recruited for this task were those regarded as too ugly to serve the King in any other capacity. They were highly effective against other tribes but were almost wiped out in the few battles they fought against European armies that were protecting client states from Dahomeyan depredations. (https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/dahomeys-women-warriors-88286072/)

    One particularly annoying aspect of this movie is the false depiction of European slave traders treking into the interior to enslave Negros. In fact, European slave traders bought Negros who’d already been enslaved by other Negros at entrepots along the coast. This false depiction of the Atlantic slave trade goes back to Alex Haley’s “Roots” and the various TV series and movies based on that book.

    • Agree: Polistra
    • Thanks: Muggles
    • Replies: @Graveldips
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    I recall noticing that years ago while watching "Roots" on TV. White men with flintlock muskets wandering about a tropical rain forest hunting Negroes. Must of had the special White Man's moisture-proof black powder.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @nonentity
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    Arabs for hundreds of years spent decades wandering sub saharan Africa armed with firelocks and swords along with tribal allies, enslaving and transporting Blacks to places like Zanzibar, etc. as well as enslaving any Europeans they could get. Read "sufferings in Africa" by James Riley for just one account.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @Jus' Sayin'...


    This false depiction of the Atlantic slave trade goes back to Alex Haley’s “Roots” and the various TV series and movies based on that book.
     
    I well remember all the white slobbering over Roots 45 years ago. I thought it was a crock even then and my opinion has not changed. I also think To Kill a Mockingbird blows dead dogs.

    I saw a trailer for The Woman King recently and it looked even stupider than Wakanda Forever, which is not exactly printing money at the box office.
  39. ‘…It’s refreshing to see, even fictionally, an African nation strong enough to deny the West its resources and its technology — a complete reversal of today’s world order…’

    Sorta like that world where I get a Gold in the Olympics women’s floor exercises and am acclaimed the world’s greatest vocalist.

    …a perfect reversal of reality.

  40. @Achmed E. Newman
    @John Johnson

    John, I gave up my shot so some poor African could get the vaccine and the blood clots instead. Sally Struthers would be so proud! (In fact, I did this to have some small chance of getting in her pants.)

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Dmon, @Harry Baldwin, @SafeNow

    ‘…John, I gave up my shot so some poor African could get the vaccine and the blood clots instead. Sally Struthers would be so proud! (In fact, I did this to have some small chance of getting in her pants.)’

    ? The African’s or Sally Struthers’?

    • LOL: Kylie
  41. @Arclight
    Attiah's comment on WF being a sort of revenge fantasy is apt - in fact Attiah's own politics and those of the ruling class are a revenge fantasy writ large.

    The other item is her bemoaning the lack of investment capital aimed at little black urban achievers. Despite everything, there are still a number of black Americans in control of huge amounts of money that if they really wanted to could be used for any number of things that would theoretically benefit disadvantaged blacks. But they don't for the most part - because they want everyone else to foot the bill. There's no Andrew Carnegie in the black community, but there should be.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @John Johnson

    There’s no Andrew Carnegie in the black community, but there should be.

    Is there even a Dale Carnegie?

    Would a (nominal) Bahamian do?

    • LOL: mc23
    • Replies: @Kim
    @Reg Cæsar

    Of course the joke is actually about herself, that is, about her persona as a comedienne.

  42. @Steven Carr
    Black geniuses in technology must be easy to find

    What about that kid who invented a clock and got to meet Obama? What happened to him?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @JimDandy, @Colin Wright, @martin_2, @Kim

    You’re a racist — Ahmed Mohammed, say his name, didn’t invent a clock, he invented THE clock. FULL-STOP.

    Goodluck today @USMNT ! USA USA USA!!! ❤️🇺🇸 #FIFAWorldCup pic.twitter.com/FQtKKug3Nl— Ahmed Mohamed (@IStandWithAhmed) November 25, 2022

  43. The reason why the African population is exploding is because of Western inventions and technology. Otherwise Africa would still be a dark continent full of hidden figures.

    “Black Panther 2” invites us to imagine Black women as not just inventors but the proprietary owners of their inventions and resources, with no obligations to share with the Western world.

    A sad passage, puerile and sterile.

  44. @TGGP
    Back in 2000 the Onion could mock the movie cliche by having a scrappy band of misfit campers contain:

    African-American computer expert Malcolm "Hackmeister" LaVont
     
    https://www.theonion.com/scrappy-band-of-lovable-misfits-no-match-for-rich-kids-1819565867

    I was actually annoyed that the Mission: Impossible sequels added Simon Pegg for a technician role when the original De Palma film already had Ving Rhames' Luther Stickell.

    Replies: @Kim

    Back in 2000 the Onion could mock the movie cliche by having a scrappy band of misfit campers contain:

    When I was a boy (((Mad Magazine))) used to do (very unfunny) rips on current movies.

    If it still exists, it might do one on this movie. “Bleecchanda Forever”, I suppose they would call it. If they dared.

    • Replies: @Nachum
    @Kim

    I think Mad now mostly only reprints old material.

    Replies: @BB753

    , @PiltdownMan
    @Kim

    I recall a couple of good ones from the 1960s though, and they held up when I looked at them again as an adult. Their parody of Lawrence of Arabia, and another of the now mostly forgottten movie, The Sand Pebbles.

    Mad magazine was overtly very New York Jewish in much of its humor, but not all of it. Spy vs. Spy was excellent, and Antonio Prohias was Cuban, if I recall correctly.

  45. on the first Black Panther’s hero, Chadwick Boseman, dying of cancer a couple of years ago.

    A cancer likely made killer by the HGH that Boseman very likely did in order to get the “jacked” look now required of any male taking his shirt off in an action movie.

    Similar to how the young actor playing Spartacus in the Spartacus TV series a decade ago suddenly got cancer and died and had to be replaced the second season. He, too, was very likely using HGH to look buff in all the action/shirtless scenes.

    I’m sure this is whispered about in Hollywood—how you don’t want to end up like Boseman/Spartacus, so you have to monitor your HGH and cancer-signals closely when you’re training on the juice.

    Someday, there will be an explosive tell-all by a Hollywood trainer about their deaths, their steroid/HGH/PED use, and how rampant such usage has become, along with all the close calls and near-misses of others from such usage.

  46. @Reg Cæsar
    @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)



    What looks funny in the movie analysis has totally destroyed Zimbabwe, South Africa, Detroit, Malmoe and more.
     
    What has totally destroyed Malmö ? It doesn’t look totally destroyed to me.
     
    Illiterate redundancy aside, over 50,000 malmöiter, or a sixth of the population, were born in or near the Middle East. Add to that their children born in Sweden or other Western countries. Wikipedia says the population is 12% Islamic (likely an undercount), which is in the danger zone.


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malm%C3%B6#Demographics


    Not "destroyed", but a long way thither. Compare to Copenhagen across the sound.

    Replies: @Kim, @Peter Lund

    Illiterate redundancy aside,

    Redundancies are not necessarily illiterate (not functional?). They abound in all languages as far as I am aware and have numerous functions, one such being, as in this case, emphasis.

    In the case of “totally” destroyed, surely it usefully allows the very common contrasts such “partially destroyed” and “not totally destroyed”. You must appreciate that.

    Languages are not arithmetical arrangments of sharp-edged logical blocks. Language-making is a meaning-making activity and that includes making shades of meaning.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Kim

    When this came up in journalism class, we looked up the definition of destroy. It included "obliterate; deprive of existence". Totality appeared to be assumed.

    Replies: @Kim, @International Jew, @Gandydancer, @Jenner Ickham Errican

  47. OT: An article titled “Why Isn’t the Whole World Rich?” https://asteriskmag.com/issues/1/why-isn-t-the-whole-world-rich

    I tried an iSteve strategy of searching for key phrases like “race” and “intelli” — but they were nowhere to be found.

  48. @Reg Cæsar
    @Arclight


    There’s no Andrew Carnegie in the black community, but there should be.
     
    Is there even a Dale Carnegie?


    Would a (nominal) Bahamian do?

    https://twitter.com/KatTimpf/status/1593321125794160640?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

    Replies: @Kim

    Of course the joke is actually about herself, that is, about her persona as a comedienne.

  49. @Steven Carr
    Black geniuses in technology must be easy to find

    What about that kid who invented a clock and got to meet Obama? What happened to him?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @JimDandy, @Colin Wright, @martin_2, @Kim

    I believe he was an Arab falsely accused of making a bomb because he wanted people to think it was a bomb and then he lied like a shithead kid and said, “It’s just a clock!” and then Obama endorsed that position.

    • Replies: @Ian Smith
    @JimDandy

    Sudanese, so Arab/Kneegrow hybrid.

  50. @John Johnson
    Welcome to the future where political analysis based on a completely fictional movie is taken seriously.

    I was reminded of the selfishness of Western nations during the height of the global covid-19 pandemic when these nations gobbled up lifesaving vaccines and left Africa largely out of the equation.

    Gobbled them up? Where did they come from? Wakanda?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Half Canadian, @OilcanFloyd

    Africa is doing better without the vaccine than the Western Nations who had it.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @Half Canadian


    Africa is doing better without the vaccine than the Western Nations who had it.

     

    Yes, Africans in Africa handled COVID quite well - thanks to the fact that old age and diabetes aren't huge problems there. Most of the people in Africa who would be vulnerable to COVID were already dead. Blacks in America, however, died at very high rates.

    Replies: @Kim, @John Johnson

    , @John Johnson
    @Half Canadian

    Africa is doing better without the vaccine than the Western Nations who had it.

    Are you really going to try and play that card here?

    How exactly would we compare them to Western countries when they can't afford to test everyone?

    Look up the lifespan of Bantu oops I mean Wakanda countries and explain how it is a great success that they have a lower fatality rate.

    It's like saying that Africans are less likely to get into high speed road accidents.

    Stupid Whites must be bad drivers.

  51. @Steven Carr
    Black geniuses in technology must be easy to find

    What about that kid who invented a clock and got to meet Obama? What happened to him?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @JimDandy, @Colin Wright, @martin_2, @Kim

    ‘…What about that kid who invented a clock and got to meet Obama? What happened to him?’

    Maybe the next one really was a bomb.

    It would explain the silence since.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @Colin Wright


    ‘…What about that kid who invented a clock and got to meet Obama? What happened to him?’

    Maybe the next one really was a bomb.

    It would explain the silence since.
     
    Heh, and Wikipedia has an article on the incident, not the kid.

    But echoing what I remember at the time, he and his family bugged out within 3-4 months to Qatar by the end of 2015. Wikipedia adds:

    The family returned to the Dallas area in June 2016, saying they missed the relatives who had stayed in the U.S., and they would return to Qatar in the fall. In August 2016, it was reported that Ahmed Mohamed would start 10th grade at Qatar Academy in Doha in September 2016.
     
    He's pretty damned dark, and further research tells me his father immigrated from Sudan. However Muslim they might be from religion to aggression, Arabs are not likely to have given them a warm reception.
  52. @Steven Carr
    Black geniuses in technology must be easy to find

    What about that kid who invented a clock and got to meet Obama? What happened to him?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @JimDandy, @Colin Wright, @martin_2, @Kim

    Yes, what did become of him? Has he grown up to be a cutting edge computer scientist? I hoped, at the time of this particular kerfuffle that there would be a follow up a few years later, because I strongly suspected that the said young men would have, let as say, not fulfilled his earlier promise.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @martin_2

    Wasn't he promised a free ride at MIT? Even in the current year, I doubt being one of the holy races gives you enough credit to pass MIT-level hard sciences. I see a future career as a motivational speaker on the "Anti-White Grift" circuit that made rich men out of Greenblatt, Nessy-Coates, etc.

    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    @martin_2


    Yes, what did become of him? Has he grown up to be a cutting edge computer scientist?
     
    Evidently the clock/fake bomb was intended to elicit the exact reaction it did so that this family of Somali grifters could then sue everyone in sight for lots of money. After they lost all their suits and the family had to pay court costs, they moved to Qatar. (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/mar/15/ahmed-mohamed-clock-boy-shut-down-again-hopefully-/)

    Ahmed Mohammed has dropped from sight entirely. (https://networthandsalary.com/ahmed-mohamed/)

    Unfortunately, the grifter in the White House at the time, who helped promote this scam has been a significantly more successful con artist and now has an estimated net worth in the eight or nine figure range
  53. @Pixo
    @Achmed E. Newman

    “ It’s part of the Communist ritual of humiliation, AnotherDad.”

    For unconnected whites qualified for and blocked from joining the verbal overclass, yeah the mandatory black IQ fantasies are humiliating.

    But prole to upper middle class whites generally believe racial IQ egalitarianism. Or maybe they might concede Asians are a little better at math. Even those who can correctly posit whites are much smarter than blacks on every test and in every endeavor don’t realize how big the gap is: blacks would be well under 1% of elite colleges with fair admissions, and none would rank in the top 100 of any scientific discipline.

    1000+ hours per year of TV and movie propaganda where blacks are a third of computer geniuses and scientists and get more than half the non-corrupt judge roles is almost perfectly effective propaganda.

    And for we whites who have navigated our way into elite status and are aware of race and IQ issues, lacking the right to discuss the issues openly is kind of a drag, but not actually humiliating. We can still discuss it in cloaked language, and look forward to a late-career period like Amy Wax where we can speak openly.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Stan Adams, @Achmed E. Newman

    But prole to upper middle class whites generally believe racial IQ egalitarianism. Or maybe they might concede Asians are a little better at math.

    This is correct. They can acknowledge the edges and that in some areas there won’t be perfect equality.

    But in general they really believe that White people hold back Blacks and that Western society would be farther ahead if not for racist White men.

    They really believe that more diseases would be cured if White men didn’t have such hearts of evil. So inventions by White men are completely disregarded because in their minds all that stuff would have been invented anyways. Well why weren’t those things invented in pre-colonial Africa? Don’t ask such questions. They will never look at you the same way.

    Race denial isn’t merely a belief among fuzzy headed liberals. Most Christian conservatives don’t believe race is significant beyond the extremes. So they accept that there won’t be many Asian linebackers but really believe that evil big government or satanic socialist forces have held back Blacks area. Some Christians even still believe in the curse of Ham. Evolutionary timelines already conflict with creationism and race doesn’t help.

    Wakanda 2 will sell tickets because most Whites really believe that race doesn’t matter outside of sports. We have Wakanda island only 915 miles from Florida and yet Whites will watch Wakanda 2 and conclude it is such a shame that Whites never let Africans have a chance.

  54. I’m saddened when I think about all the White athletes who are denied the opportunity to run 9 second flat 100 meter sprints because of racism in the athletic system. The finals of the Olympic 100 meters wouldn’t be of almost 100% West African heritage if only more Norwegian and Chinese boys were encouraged and supported in their training.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Alfa158

    Funny but I have actually met a lib that told me there would be more Asian guards if we had basketball training camps in Asian areas.

    He believed we could achieve near 100% equality in sports if we started Asians in sports programs at a young age.

    I asked him what the average height is in Japan along with the SD and he said it's only lower because they don't eat as much protein.

    I was flabbergasted.

  55. @Arclight
    Attiah's comment on WF being a sort of revenge fantasy is apt - in fact Attiah's own politics and those of the ruling class are a revenge fantasy writ large.

    The other item is her bemoaning the lack of investment capital aimed at little black urban achievers. Despite everything, there are still a number of black Americans in control of huge amounts of money that if they really wanted to could be used for any number of things that would theoretically benefit disadvantaged blacks. But they don't for the most part - because they want everyone else to foot the bill. There's no Andrew Carnegie in the black community, but there should be.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @John Johnson

    Attiah’s comment on WF being a sort of revenge fantasy is apt – in fact Attiah’s own politics and those of the ruling class are a revenge fantasy writ large.

    As evidenced by the fact that she can get paid to write a political thesis based on movie fiction while Steve is given a small corner of the internet for his blatant honesty and utter disregard of ruling class beliefs that are easily shown as false. What an asshole.

    Be sure to check out my newest blog post on how assumptions related Western physics are wrong because of a bugs bunny movie I watched with my kids.

  56. @Achmed E. Newman
    @John Johnson

    John, I gave up my shot so some poor African could get the vaccine and the blood clots instead. Sally Struthers would be so proud! (In fact, I did this to have some small chance of getting in her pants.)

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Dmon, @Harry Baldwin, @SafeNow

    They could get you, your entire family, and a decent sized walrus in her pants. Just tell the driver of the F-150 to pull forward a little.

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  57. • LOL: Jus' Sayin'...
    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @The Wild Geese Howard




    As pregnancy naturally brings a temporary type of immunosuppressive, vaccination against COVID and booster are love and wisdom in action for mothers, a mother to be and the people around them. https://t.co/l5HLyWc00Z

    [email protected] (@ProfAOFuller) November 14, 2021

     

    Quoted verbatim. No typos.
  58. @Pixo
    @Achmed E. Newman

    “ It’s part of the Communist ritual of humiliation, AnotherDad.”

    For unconnected whites qualified for and blocked from joining the verbal overclass, yeah the mandatory black IQ fantasies are humiliating.

    But prole to upper middle class whites generally believe racial IQ egalitarianism. Or maybe they might concede Asians are a little better at math. Even those who can correctly posit whites are much smarter than blacks on every test and in every endeavor don’t realize how big the gap is: blacks would be well under 1% of elite colleges with fair admissions, and none would rank in the top 100 of any scientific discipline.

    1000+ hours per year of TV and movie propaganda where blacks are a third of computer geniuses and scientists and get more than half the non-corrupt judge roles is almost perfectly effective propaganda.

    And for we whites who have navigated our way into elite status and are aware of race and IQ issues, lacking the right to discuss the issues openly is kind of a drag, but not actually humiliating. We can still discuss it in cloaked language, and look forward to a late-career period like Amy Wax where we can speak openly.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Stan Adams, @Achmed E. Newman

    Every year, we piss away thousands of lives and trillions of dollars based on lies about racial equality.

    And for we whites who have navigated our way into elite status

    “Ha, ha, the stupid rednecks are butthurt because they can’t say n****r anymore. Fortunately, sophisticated self-proclaimed white elites such as Pixo the Great can continue to insult the darkies in code, even as the county goes to hell. Pass me the Polaner All Fruit, Deidre.”

    When the shit hits the fan, and those pale grubby proles are the only thing standing between you and the marauding African hordes, will you still hold them in contempt?

  59. @Bardon Kaldlan
    Irene Cara? Dead at 63.

    Replies: @Tom F., @Richard B

    … It’s refreshing to see, even fictionally, an African nation strong enough to deny the West its resources and its technology — a complete reversal of today’s world order.

    Nietzsche called it their bold inversion of reality.
    Of course, he wasn’t talking about blacks.

  60. @Tom F.
    @Bardon Kaldlan

    "Fame! I'm gonna live forever!"

    Point of information, one of her '90s roommates was then-unfamous Tina Fey.


    "Black Panther 2" - was created by two whites, Jack Kirby and Stan Lee (b. Lieber, brother of Marvel Bullpen stalwart Larry Lieber).

    Replies: @Richard B

    “Black Panther 2” – was created by two whites, Jack Kirby and Stan Lee (b. Lieber, brother of Marvel Bullpen stalwart Larry Lieber).

    two whites. Haha!

    • Replies: @Tom F.
    @Richard B

    https://tenor.com/view/letterman-david-wink-nodding-gif-22890982

  61. ‘I liked Black Panther…’

    If so, you should keep quiet about it. If this were 1943, would you talk about how you have a soft spot for Tojo?

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Colin Wright

    I liked Black Panther too.

    Okay, it was all nonsense but it was reasonably entertaining with some good acting.

    For most people enjoying a movie is just a temporary diversion, not a political statement.

    Most movies these days are utterly terrible, so finding a movie that is even mildly entertaining is a pleasure.

    The trouble is that the movie industry has gone over ripe now.

    The first sound movie was made only about 20 years before I was born, and then there were other technological advances like color movies and widescreens, so all the great stories from literature could be made into movies several times.

    But there aren't many great stories or musicals being written now and movies have just become merchandise to be marketed and are mostly measured by metrics like what percentage of the movie constitutes fighting and explosions.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  62. The blackety-black-black articles are getting a little old. Care to write an article on who controls the purse strings, Mr Noticer?

    You’ve had one month straight of blatant material, yet you dive further into sports stats. Is this a cope?

    • Thanks: Legba
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anon

    That's his MO. 5 or 6 boring articles about irrelevant, picayune nonsense (% of left handed bankers whose nephews played shortstop after the Dust Bowl) followed by 1 article of genuine bad behavior. Never striking at the root cause, always messing around then sort of going near it for 5 seconds before back to business as usual. He's the most milquetoast writer featured here. The way the outside world treats him you'd think he was the author of Der Strumer or something.

  63. In Wakanda…who grows the food? Who cleans the buildings? Who unclogs the toilets?😮

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Bardon Kaldlan

    In Wakanda…who grows the food? Who cleans the buildings? Who unclogs the toilets?😮


    Toilets?

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

  64. @Alfa158
    I’m saddened when I think about all the White athletes who are denied the opportunity to run 9 second flat 100 meter sprints because of racism in the athletic system. The finals of the Olympic 100 meters wouldn’t be of almost 100% West African heritage if only more Norwegian and Chinese boys were encouraged and supported in their training.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Funny but I have actually met a lib that told me there would be more Asian guards if we had basketball training camps in Asian areas.

    He believed we could achieve near 100% equality in sports if we started Asians in sports programs at a young age.

    I asked him what the average height is in Japan along with the SD and he said it’s only lower because they don’t eat as much protein.

    I was flabbergasted.

  65. @Steven Carr
    Black geniuses in technology must be easy to find

    What about that kid who invented a clock and got to meet Obama? What happened to him?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @JimDandy, @Colin Wright, @martin_2, @Kim

    What about that kid who invented a clock and got to meet Obama? What happened to him?

    Obama thought the pizza man had delivered him and he was never seen again.

    • LOL: Old Prude
  66. ‘…I asked him what the average height is in Japan along with the SD and he said it’s only lower because they don’t eat as much protein…’

    You have to at least give him credit for logical consistency.

    Given his premises, it all follows. It’s like Catholic theology.

  67. @Steve Sailer
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    "Creed" gave Sylvester Stallone his best role in decades, getting him his second Oscar nomination.

    Replies: @old statistician, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Mike Tre

    His 2nd Oscar nomination for the same role he originally created back in 1976.

    It’s technically his 3rd Oscar nomination, as he was also nominated for best screenplay for Rocky.

    But still unconvinced about putting Coogler in the same sentence of artistic creativity as John Ford, Orson Welles, Alfred Hitchcock, and others.

  68. I deal with so many negro women who are dumber than mud and ugly, too, who think they are some sort of wonderful gift to white men that the mere concept of this film makes me want to puke.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @James Speaks

    Speaking of, Saint Stacey did lose in Georgia, so there's that.

    https://archive.ph/coydE (WSJ)

  69. When Black Panther came out, I had a black co-worker. I overheard him on the phone talking excitedly to a friend about it.

    What amazed me was that the way he was talking was as if what he was talking about was actually real. Such is the thrist in among blacks for a working society that they created and own.

    • Replies: @notsaying
    @Thatcher76

    I would love to see a show set in an inner city but there are no gangs and the kids go to school and learn.

    Fantasy, yes. But let the people see the alternate reality that they could have. We could take steps to smash the gangs and put the people who won't turn away from a life of crime in prison. We could improve schools and give kids the mental health care they need so they are not in class every day miserable and stopping the other kids from learning.

    Let us see a possible alternate better world and reasonable achievements for blacks.

    Let us see if it would spur some rethinking and new demands from black voters for the Democratic Party to really change things in a way that would help them.

    Replies: @HammerJack

    , @R.G. Camara
    @Thatcher76


    What amazed me was that the way he was talking was as if what he was talking about was actually real.
     
    You would be surprised how many blacks cannot discern the difference between fiction and reality. Many really believe that NWA and Tupac were hardcore gangsters, the Kardashian show is real, etc.

    Not that non-blacks are much different. Many believe Bill Maher and Stephen Colbert are "truth tellers" who speak "truth to power" instead of corporate shills barking out propaganda for their masters, or the Bachelor is real dating, or that movie stars/musicians giving interviews are being "real", etc.

    As a life long pro wrestling fan, I had the advantage of having kayfabe officially revealed in the 90s, so the mask is off. Once that came off, you started to notice how much of other things on TV and movies resemble its fakeness.

  70. Black Panther was pure negrophilia garbage. This flick propagates exactly the opposite of the reality that Steve himself makes observations about on a regular basis.

  71. @Steve Sailer
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    "Creed" gave Sylvester Stallone his best role in decades, getting him his second Oscar nomination.

    Replies: @old statistician, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Mike Tre

    Got that rube? Steve was entertained, and didn’t feel guilty about black inferiority for a couple hours.

    That’s all that matters!

  72. “Gun violence” must be sport, because reporters have to lie about what’s staring them in the face. (Follow Frum’s thread back, and you’ll see he’s gone full feminist, too– Margaret Atwood with a five-o’-clock shadow.)

    “High-income” is his replacement for the go-to euphemisms for white-or-yellow, “industrialized” and “developed”. Blood-soaked Russia, Brazil, and South Africa are all industrialized, too, but their paychecks are still modest, so that’s the ticket!

    Indonesia has a similar population and climate to Brazil, with about two-thirds the income and much higher density. So the Spice Islanders must be more homicidal, right?

    Brazil’s homicide rate is 63 times that of Indonesia.

    Frum shows Switzerland as #2 in “gun violence”. Funny, Switzerland’s total homicide rate is lower than all but two of Frum’s other 14– Norway and Japan.

    Figures from here:

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/murder-rate-by-country

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Reg Cæsar

    David Frum...David Frum....

    What is it about David Frum? There's some particular attribute, I know it...

    Damn, I hate this. Getting old sucks.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Reg Cæsar

    LOL. "What could explain this baffling mystery?" Indeed. Why is the U.S. so different from a list of countries with 100% European and Asian people? An enigma wrapped in a riddle, I guess.

    In fairness, though, in some of the more demographically relevant countries (like South Frica), "machetti violence" is likely to be the bigger category.

    By the way, I like how Steve's original post is about Wakanda II even though he hasn't seen it and doesn't plan to. And every single comment in the thread is also by someone who hadn't seen it, and doesn't plan to. Not exactly the target audience, I guess.

    , @Muggles
    @Reg Cæsar

    How does David Frum's "promised land" homeland in theory come out in the chart?

    "Gun violence" there too? Or merely unruly neighbors who need some periodic lead therapy?

  73. @Pixo
    @Achmed E. Newman

    “ It’s part of the Communist ritual of humiliation, AnotherDad.”

    For unconnected whites qualified for and blocked from joining the verbal overclass, yeah the mandatory black IQ fantasies are humiliating.

    But prole to upper middle class whites generally believe racial IQ egalitarianism. Or maybe they might concede Asians are a little better at math. Even those who can correctly posit whites are much smarter than blacks on every test and in every endeavor don’t realize how big the gap is: blacks would be well under 1% of elite colleges with fair admissions, and none would rank in the top 100 of any scientific discipline.

    1000+ hours per year of TV and movie propaganda where blacks are a third of computer geniuses and scientists and get more than half the non-corrupt judge roles is almost perfectly effective propaganda.

    And for we whites who have navigated our way into elite status and are aware of race and IQ issues, lacking the right to discuss the issues openly is kind of a drag, but not actually humiliating. We can still discuss it in cloaked language, and look forward to a late-career period like Amy Wax where we can speak openly.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Stan Adams, @Achmed E. Newman

    1000+ hours per year of TV and movie propaganda where blacks are a third of computer geniuses and scientists and get more than half the non-corrupt judge roles is almost perfectly effective propaganda.

    I don’t know about that, Pixo. The commercials and movies are just TOO over-the-top to believed by anyone who’s in that “prole to upper middle class white” category.

    There’s a huge mural in a new section of the big Cincinnati Airport (CVG) terminal in Kentucky. Every one of the dozens of faces on it is black. The hairstyles, face shapes, and such aren’t all black, but every White passenger who sees it is inside simply saying “WTF”? It’s hard-core now.

  74. The entire article can be summarized with the two quoted words: “even fictionally.”

    The end.

  75. Real life Wakanda is the majority black, very rich Cayman Islands, although PM since last year is white.

    • Replies: @Ian Smith
    @anonymous

    It’s a little humiliating to admit that the only rich black countries are half tax shelter, half resort.

    , @Robert Ritter.
    @anonymous

    It's propped up by the UK, which is similar to how Puerto Rico, which is a dump, is still the most prosperous island in the Caribbean because it is being propped up by the US. It doesn't speak for the inhabitants, it speaks for it's handlers giving them "free stuff" to artificially boost their standard of living.

  76. @Jus' Sayin'...
    "Wakanda Forever" is just silly, just another variation on the "we wuz kangs" Negro fantasies that seem to be proliferating these days in almost perfect synchrony with rising levels of Negro dysfunction.

    A truly evil movie with origins in the same BLM/SJW/woke fantasy world is "The Woman King". (https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2022/09/18/woke-fail-boycottwomanking-trends-over-slave-trade-whitewashing/).

    This movie portrays the Kingdom of Dahomey's (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahomey) so-called "Amazons" as stylishly dressed defenders of their fellow Africans against the depredations of European slave traders. In fact, the King of Dahomey made his kingdom rich and powerful by enslaving Africans from neighboring tribes and killing/torturing to death any he didn't enslave. The slaves were then either sold at the coast to Europeans in the Atlantic slave trade or frequently sacrificed in Ju Ju religious rituals. The Dahomeyan king entrusted his Amazons with this task. They would raid villages, killing or torturing to death anyone not suitable for slavery, burning the village to the ground, and bringing captured slaves back to the coast.

    The women recruited for this task were those regarded as too ugly to serve the King in any other capacity. They were highly effective against other tribes but were almost wiped out in the few battles they fought against European armies that were protecting client states from Dahomeyan depredations. (https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/dahomeys-women-warriors-88286072/)

    One particularly annoying aspect of this movie is the false depiction of European slave traders treking into the interior to enslave Negros. In fact, European slave traders bought Negros who'd already been enslaved by other Negros at entrepots along the coast. This false depiction of the Atlantic slave trade goes back to Alex Haley's "Roots" and the various TV series and movies based on that book.

    Replies: @Graveldips, @nonentity, @Jim Don Bob

    I recall noticing that years ago while watching “Roots” on TV. White men with flintlock muskets wandering about a tropical rain forest hunting Negroes. Must of had the special White Man’s moisture-proof black powder.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Graveldips

    And lots of anti-malarial drugs.

    In reality, white people couldn't survive in the interior of sub-Saharan Africa due to tropical diseases. I'm sure they paid dearly for the slaves in the slave ports (though not nearly as much as these same slaves fetched in Charleston or Havana or Belem) and would have preferred it if they were able to cut out the middleman, but they didn't really have the ability to go into the interior to hunt them for themselves. Livingstone was ill for the last 4 years of his life and died of malaria and dysentery not long after his famous meeting with Stanley.

  77. @Kim
    @Reg Cæsar


    Illiterate redundancy aside,
     
    Redundancies are not necessarily illiterate (not functional?). They abound in all languages as far as I am aware and have numerous functions, one such being, as in this case, emphasis.

    In the case of "totally" destroyed, surely it usefully allows the very common contrasts such "partially destroyed" and "not totally destroyed". You must appreciate that.

    Languages are not arithmetical arrangments of sharp-edged logical blocks. Language-making is a meaning-making activity and that includes making shades of meaning.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    When this came up in journalism class, we looked up the definition of destroy. It included “obliterate; deprive of existence”. Totality appeared to be assumed.

    • Replies: @Kim
    @Reg Cæsar

    I just googled the single word "destruction", without context, and got 914,000,000 hits.

    For the collocation "total destruction" I got 348,000,000 hits.

    For "partial destruction" I got 64,700,000 hits.

    These are very, very, very high frequencies.

    It appears that the English language accepts "total/partial destruction" as standard collocations.

    Replies: @Gandydancer

    , @International Jew
    @Reg Cæsar

    With 12% of Malmo's population non-Swedish, maybe we have here an opportunity to use decimate correctly! (Or if you want to be even more correct, octimate?)

    , @Gandydancer
    @Reg Cæsar


    When this came up in journalism class, we looked up the definition of destroy. It included “obliterate; deprive of existence”. Totality appeared to be assumed.
     
    But the person you appeared to be chiding for using it twice was quoting it, perhaps for effect.

    Anyway, to object top "totally destroyed" while being oneself obscure as to one's own meaning is to clown oneself by demonstrating a failure to grasp the basic purpose of written communication.
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Reg Cæsar


    Totality appeared to be assumed.
     
    In Biblical terms, maybe not. Google:

    “Joshua 8:26” utterly destroyed

    About 15,400 results
     


    “Joshua 8:26” completely destroyed

    About 21,400 results
     

  78. It leads us to imagine a world in which Black girls are technological geniuses and the weapons that White men use are, in Gen. Okoye’s words, “so primitive.”

    Just imagine the murder rate blacks could achieve with weapons that were less primitive than those currently available. Let’s all think about how many real-life Antwons and De Shawns are out there who don’t get the chance they should to make an impact on the world.

  79. @Bardon Kaldlan
    In Wakanda...who grows the food? Who cleans the buildings? Who unclogs the toilets?😮

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    In Wakanda…who grows the food? Who cleans the buildings? Who unclogs the toilets?😮

    Toilets?

    • Thanks: Bardon Kaldlan
    • LOL: HammerJack
    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    @kaganovitch

    As a one-word punch line, that one ranks right up there with "Burgers?"

    Yasher koach.

  80. It’s refreshing to see, even fictionally, an African nation strong enough to deny the West its resources and its technology — a complete reversal of today’s world order.

    Allowing millions of Africans to live in our countries is hardly ‘denying’ resources. Saving untold millions of Africans via Western medicine is not ‘denying’ technology. It’s extremely generous and altruistic, if you ask me. You’re welcome, Karen.

    … Given all this, “Black Panther” is a bit of a technological-revenge fantasy.

    A bit? Revenge fantasies are for the weak.

    The U.S. Patent Office does not keep racial demographic data, but a 2010 study found that while U.S. inventors in general received 235 patents per million people, Black inventors received six patents per million people.

    Hate facts!

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    'The U.S. Patent Office does not keep racial demographic data, but a 2010 study found that while U.S. inventors in general received 235 patents per million people, Black inventors received six patents per million people.'

    While if you want to convince me blacks are dumber than posts, you're preaching to the choir, to be fair one would want to see the rates for other definable groups before ascribing the small number of blacks to pure, unmodified genetic stupidity. How do Armenians do, for example? Mormons? Southerners? Does culture seem as influential as average group intelligence?

  81. @Joe Magarac
    The whole Black Panther franchise is very racist in conception, and I do mean racist against black people.

    Here's this group of black people with unearned advanced technology courtesy of a plot device that amounts to magic. And after 7000 years their social organization hasn't advanced past "big boss" tribal organization.

    Making money off gullible schwartzers while making fun of them.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @J.Ross

    Here’s this group of black people with unearned advanced technology courtesy of a plot device that amounts to magic. And after 7000 years their social organization hasn’t advanced past “big boss” tribal organization.

    I don’t think it’s mockery. I think the point is to pretend that black/African tribal customs aren’t ridiculously incompatible with modern, high tech civilization. But only if you’re black. That’s how they lure the suckers in.

    If you’re a white high tech civilization you of course have to open your borders to everyone in the world and give up all of your traditional customs in order to prosper. Even so much as accidentally saying “Merry Christmas” to a nonbeliever will set white civilization back 500 years, dontcha know?

  82. @Half Canadian
    @John Johnson

    Africa is doing better without the vaccine than the Western Nations who had it.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @John Johnson

    Africa is doing better without the vaccine than the Western Nations who had it.

    Yes, Africans in Africa handled COVID quite well – thanks to the fact that old age and diabetes aren’t huge problems there. Most of the people in Africa who would be vulnerable to COVID were already dead. Blacks in America, however, died at very high rates.

    • Agree: HammerJack
    • Replies: @Kim
    @Wilkey

    Old age is "not a huge problem" in Africa? What could you possibly mean by that?

    Life expectancy of a newborn in Algeria is 77 years. Senegal, 71 years. Egypt, 70 years. Rwanda, 67. Tanzania, 67.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1218173/life-expectancy-in-african-countries/

    Replies: @Gandydancer

    , @John Johnson
    @Wilkey

    Yes, Africans in Africa handled COVID quite well – thanks to the fact that old age and diabetes aren’t huge problems there. Most of the people in Africa who would be vulnerable to COVID were already dead. Blacks in America, however, died at very high rates.

    Some of our gifted vaccine shipments to them ended up in landfills.

    They didn't have the infrastructure to properly distribute them before they expired.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/nigeria-destroys-1-mln-donated-astrazeneca-vaccines-with-short-shelf-life-2021-12-22/

  83. @Joe S.Walker
    @JimDandy

    News item c.2040: director Coogler's daughters caught on video of mass black girl catfight in fast-food outlet, rolling on the floor and falling out of their skimpy tops.

    Replies: @JimDandy

    Yeah, or running America after full SouthAfribrazilification.

  84. Africa wasn’t left out of the vaccine equation, that’s why so many African leaders got assassinated.

  85. @SiNCERITY.net
    Invert the races and sexes to see the blatant racism

    “White Panther 2” invites us to imagine Whites, men as not just inventors but the proprietary owners of their inventions and resources, with no obligations to share with the non-Western world.

     

    No transfer of technology, no cell phones, no medicine, no modern agriculture, no electricity, no opposition to slavery in non-Western countries.

    No empowering physically weaker women to trample upon men


    So, what if we lived in a world where under 5 foot girls were encouraged to play in NFL and NBA?
     
    To us knowing basic facts, this makes about as much sense as the original statement

    So, what if we lived in a world where Black girls were encouraged to be inventors in science and technology?
     

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘…So, what if we lived in a world where under 5 foot girls were encouraged to play in NFL and NBA?

    To us knowing basic facts, this makes about as much sense as the original statement

    So, what if we lived in a world where Black girls were encouraged to be inventors in science and technology?’

    It’s interesting to note that, theoretically, your sub-five foot girl basketballers could be so good that they could compete. Kinda like one of those Filipino flyweights kicking my ass. It’s a humiliating thought, but it could happen. I mean. there could be this girl, and she could be so quick, and so agile, and such a good shot, that…

    But a black inventrix? Nahh…next stop is my dog mastering chess. Not gonna happen.

    Here, I’ll stop to point out that almost all our reasonably intelligent ‘blacks’ are half to three quarters white. Your actual all-black blacks are seriously stupid. I mean, stupid. Really, really stupid…

    Really. Seriously.

    Stupid.

    • Agree: Legba
  86. @Reg Cæsar
    @Kim

    When this came up in journalism class, we looked up the definition of destroy. It included "obliterate; deprive of existence". Totality appeared to be assumed.

    Replies: @Kim, @International Jew, @Gandydancer, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I just googled the single word “destruction”, without context, and got 914,000,000 hits.

    For the collocation “total destruction” I got 348,000,000 hits.

    For “partial destruction” I got 64,700,000 hits.

    These are very, very, very high frequencies.

    It appears that the English language accepts “total/partial destruction” as standard collocations.

    • Replies: @Gandydancer
    @Kim


    It appears that the English language accepts “total/partial destruction” as standard collocations.
     
    That there are many hits doesn't dispel his claim of illiteracy. There's a lot of stupidity on the internet, never mind in person. Consider "literally". Or, a recent peeve of mine, the attempted destruction of the meaning and usefulness of the word "meme"*. The "English language" may accept this nonsense, but I will not.

    "Partial destruction" is anyway not redundant in the way that "total destruction" is. Differences SHOULD be recognized.

    Someone upthread offered the correct response, namely that redundancy can be correctly used for emphasis.

    And RC seemed to be criticizing the wrong person. The person who used it twice in response to someone using it once could have done so to express allusively, if wrongly, precisely the erroneous criticism of "total destruction" that RC then directed at him.

    * I criticized calling "The Ghost of Kyiv" a meme rather than a hoax, and my (pro-Kiev, and hence reluctant to call a hoax a hoax) interlocutor pointed to a definition that allowed any subject that "goes viral" to be a meme. To which I say that any dictionary that doesn't indicate that a bastardization of meaning is going on is trash. "Where's the beef?" was a meme, "The Ghost of Kyiv" was not.

    Replies: @Gandydancer

  87. @Wilkey
    @Half Canadian


    Africa is doing better without the vaccine than the Western Nations who had it.

     

    Yes, Africans in Africa handled COVID quite well - thanks to the fact that old age and diabetes aren't huge problems there. Most of the people in Africa who would be vulnerable to COVID were already dead. Blacks in America, however, died at very high rates.

    Replies: @Kim, @John Johnson

    Old age is “not a huge problem” in Africa? What could you possibly mean by that?

    Life expectancy of a newborn in Algeria is 77 years. Senegal, 71 years. Egypt, 70 years. Rwanda, 67. Tanzania, 67.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1218173/life-expectancy-in-african-countries/

    • Replies: @Gandydancer
    @Kim


    Old age is “not a huge problem” in Africa? What could you possibly mean by that?
     
    Statistica doesn't seem to give a source, though I would suppose WHO or something. But it's anyway a table of (somehow projected) life expectancy, which is not the relevant statistic. The statistic of interest is the current age distribution.
  88. @Reg Cæsar
    https://twitter.com/Steve_Sailer/status/1596636410550681601?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Escreen-name%3Asteve_sailer%7Ctwcon%5Es1


    "Gun violence" must be sport, because reporters have to lie about what's staring them in the face. (Follow Frum's thread back, and you'll see he's gone full feminist, too-- Margaret Atwood with a five-o'-clock shadow.)

    "High-income" is his replacement for the go-to euphemisms for white-or-yellow, "industrialized" and "developed". Blood-soaked Russia, Brazil, and South Africa are all industrialized, too, but their paychecks are still modest, so that's the ticket!

    Indonesia has a similar population and climate to Brazil, with about two-thirds the income and much higher density. So the Spice Islanders must be more homicidal, right?

    Brazil's homicide rate is 63 times that of Indonesia.

    Frum shows Switzerland as #2 in "gun violence". Funny, Switzerland's total homicide rate is lower than all but two of Frum's other 14-- Norway and Japan.

    Figures from here:

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/murder-rate-by-country

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Hypnotoad666, @Muggles

    David Frum…David Frum….

    What is it about David Frum? There’s some particular attribute, I know it…

    Damn, I hate this. Getting old sucks.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Colin Wright

    What is it about David Frum? There’s some particular attribute, I know it…

    Canadian?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Colin Wright, @Jenner Ickham Errican

  89. Remember when women in action movies were hot? Now, instead of hot, we get black. Seriously, I find it hard to believe that even blacks think the women in Black Panther are pretty.

  90. @Achmed E. Newman
    @John Johnson

    John, I gave up my shot so some poor African could get the vaccine and the blood clots instead. Sally Struthers would be so proud! (In fact, I did this to have some small chance of getting in her pants.)

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Dmon, @Harry Baldwin, @SafeNow

    I suspect that if you got into Sally Struthers’ pants today you’d encounter an adult diaper.

    • LOL: duncsbaby
  91. @Ghost of Bull Moose

    It’s refreshing to see, even fictionally, an African nation strong enough to deny the West its resources and its technology — a complete reversal of today’s world order.
     
    Allowing millions of Africans to live in our countries is hardly 'denying' resources. Saving untold millions of Africans via Western medicine is not 'denying' technology. It's extremely generous and altruistic, if you ask me. You're welcome, Karen.

    … Given all this, “Black Panther” is a bit of a technological-revenge fantasy.
     
    A bit? Revenge fantasies are for the weak.

    The U.S. Patent Office does not keep racial demographic data, but a 2010 study found that while U.S. inventors in general received 235 patents per million people, Black inventors received six patents per million people.
     
    Hate facts!

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘The U.S. Patent Office does not keep racial demographic data, but a 2010 study found that while U.S. inventors in general received 235 patents per million people, Black inventors received six patents per million people.’

    While if you want to convince me blacks are dumber than posts, you’re preaching to the choir, to be fair one would want to see the rates for other definable groups before ascribing the small number of blacks to pure, unmodified genetic stupidity. How do Armenians do, for example? Mormons? Southerners? Does culture seem as influential as average group intelligence?

  92. @PaceLaw
    Narcissism and megalomania seem to run so rampant in the female demographic of the black community. They all seem to be want to be known as “queens,” plus there’s the constant invocation of “black girl magic,” even though it didn’t seem to work out quite so well for Simone Biles in the Olympics. Now this Ghanaian-American writer for the Washington Post is extolling the merits of a comic book movie. The juvenile and simplistic nature of all this is really quite breathtaking. This is really a sad state of affairs for a people who seem to want to be taken seriously.

    Replies: @Forbes, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @puttheforkdown

    Yet at the same time they are massively insecure and will lose their minds if something as superficial as their hair is insulted. Why? Because deep down they know they’re at the bottom of the SMV/dating totem pole/whatever you call it, and they can’t live with this fact. Therefore they must cope by doubling down on their delusion, so that itt becomes so ridiculous they can almost believe it. Sadly, eventually reality crashes through and then you get sheboon meltdowns!

  93. @Thatcher76
    When Black Panther came out, I had a black co-worker. I overheard him on the phone talking excitedly to a friend about it.

    What amazed me was that the way he was talking was as if what he was talking about was actually real. Such is the thrist in among blacks for a working society that they created and own.

    Replies: @notsaying, @R.G. Camara

    I would love to see a show set in an inner city but there are no gangs and the kids go to school and learn.

    Fantasy, yes. But let the people see the alternate reality that they could have. We could take steps to smash the gangs and put the people who won’t turn away from a life of crime in prison. We could improve schools and give kids the mental health care they need so they are not in class every day miserable and stopping the other kids from learning.

    Let us see a possible alternate better world and reasonable achievements for blacks.

    Let us see if it would spur some rethinking and new demands from black voters for the Democratic Party to really change things in a way that would help them.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @notsaying

    Black people were making real progress for decades, but TPTB decided it's preferable to pander to them and promote the worst instincts of the worst cohorts among them. And pin it all on Deplorables.

    There are decent, honest, and honorable black people — I've known several — and they are dismayed at the trajectory. But they remain quiet about it lest they too attract the Wrath of the Woke. Unfortunately the cultural juggernaut corrals a few more of them every day.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

  94. @Half Canadian
    @John Johnson

    Africa is doing better without the vaccine than the Western Nations who had it.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @John Johnson

    Africa is doing better without the vaccine than the Western Nations who had it.

    Are you really going to try and play that card here?

    How exactly would we compare them to Western countries when they can’t afford to test everyone?

    Look up the lifespan of Bantu oops I mean Wakanda countries and explain how it is a great success that they have a lower fatality rate.

    It’s like saying that Africans are less likely to get into high speed road accidents.

    Stupid Whites must be bad drivers.

  95. @Reg Cæsar
    @Kim

    When this came up in journalism class, we looked up the definition of destroy. It included "obliterate; deprive of existence". Totality appeared to be assumed.

    Replies: @Kim, @International Jew, @Gandydancer, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    With 12% of Malmo’s population non-Swedish, maybe we have here an opportunity to use decimate correctly! (Or if you want to be even more correct, octimate?)

  96. You didn’t tell us what Shuri and Riri invented. Did it have to do with hair?

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    @International Jew

    In the movie, Riri apparently invented an IronMan suit...with dreadlocks.

    , @Truth
    @International Jew

    I.J. Your peeps have... interesting... laws.

    I have read elsewhere that this is totally legal:

    https://worldstar.com/videos/wshh9wmzg8EDAd972sUV/cold-while-a-palestinian-families-were-attending-a-funeral-group-of-israeli039s-straight-up-jacks-their-houses

    Replies: @GeologyAnonMk6, @International Jew

  97. @Thatcher76
    When Black Panther came out, I had a black co-worker. I overheard him on the phone talking excitedly to a friend about it.

    What amazed me was that the way he was talking was as if what he was talking about was actually real. Such is the thrist in among blacks for a working society that they created and own.

    Replies: @notsaying, @R.G. Camara

    What amazed me was that the way he was talking was as if what he was talking about was actually real.

    You would be surprised how many blacks cannot discern the difference between fiction and reality. Many really believe that NWA and Tupac were hardcore gangsters, the Kardashian show is real, etc.

    Not that non-blacks are much different. Many believe Bill Maher and Stephen Colbert are “truth tellers” who speak “truth to power” instead of corporate shills barking out propaganda for their masters, or the Bachelor is real dating, or that movie stars/musicians giving interviews are being “real”, etc.

    As a life long pro wrestling fan, I had the advantage of having kayfabe officially revealed in the 90s, so the mask is off. Once that came off, you started to notice how much of other things on TV and movies resemble its fakeness.

    • Agree: AceDeuce
  98. @International Jew
    You didn't tell us what Shuri and Riri invented. Did it have to do with hair?

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @Truth

    In the movie, Riri apparently invented an IronMan suit…with dreadlocks.

  99. @Reg Cæsar
    @Kim

    When this came up in journalism class, we looked up the definition of destroy. It included "obliterate; deprive of existence". Totality appeared to be assumed.

    Replies: @Kim, @International Jew, @Gandydancer, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    When this came up in journalism class, we looked up the definition of destroy. It included “obliterate; deprive of existence”. Totality appeared to be assumed.

    But the person you appeared to be chiding for using it twice was quoting it, perhaps for effect.

    Anyway, to object top “totally destroyed” while being oneself obscure as to one’s own meaning is to clown oneself by demonstrating a failure to grasp the basic purpose of written communication.

  100. @Reg Cæsar
    @Kim

    When this came up in journalism class, we looked up the definition of destroy. It included "obliterate; deprive of existence". Totality appeared to be assumed.

    Replies: @Kim, @International Jew, @Gandydancer, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Totality appeared to be assumed.

    In Biblical terms, maybe not. Google:

    “Joshua 8:26” utterly destroyed

    About 15,400 results

    “Joshua 8:26” completely destroyed

    About 21,400 results

  101. How to get Steve on the Critical Drinker to talk about modern films being really bad at spreading “the message”?

    More seriously, this article reads like a really lazy rehash of all the BlackGirlMagic thing from 2015-16.

  102. Black Women should thank their lucky stars, because they escaped the fate of black men. An attractive, graspable safe-harbor arrived for black women – – they could be a diversity dean, human-resources diversity worker, and all manner of related grifter. In response, the militant progressives ungratefully said, Screw that limitation – – Go girl! you be a dentist! (or inventor; Go girl! Unsaid part of inventor Go Girl: What it takes to, for example, master organic synthesis, so as to then, possibly, maybe, perhaps, many years later, invent an ingenious, complex, 50-step process that creates a new molecule – – a healing drug, and your patent.

    Ironically, black hand- labor men experienced exactly the inverse. They already HAD a safe harbor, 60 years ago – – – as a responsible factory or similar worker, well respected, peaceable, earning a decent living, taking pride in their work. Then along came militant leaders, immigration replacement, and societal changes, all of which eradicated their safe harbor.

  103. @Colin Wright
    @Reg Cæsar

    David Frum...David Frum....

    What is it about David Frum? There's some particular attribute, I know it...

    Damn, I hate this. Getting old sucks.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    What is it about David Frum? There’s some particular attribute, I know it…

    Canadian?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @kaganovitch

    Punchable.

    , @Colin Wright
    @kaganovitch

    'Canadian?'

    Thanks. That must be it.

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @kaganovitch


    Canadian?
     
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/why-did-1920s-jews-start-country-clubs-and-hospitals-but-not/#comment-5566277 (#212)
  104. @The Wild Geese Howard
    A female Wakandan recently died suddenly from mysterious causes:

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/11/top-virologist-member-fda-advisory-panel-voted-covid-vaccine-emergency-use-authorization-dies-suddenly-brief-unknown-illness/

    Sounds like a genius to me.

    Replies: @HammerJack

    As pregnancy naturally brings a temporary type of immunosuppressive, vaccination against COVID and booster are love and wisdom in action for mothers, a mother to be and the people around them. https://t.co/l5HLyWc00Z

    [email protected] (@ProfAOFuller) November 14, 2021

    Quoted verbatim. No typos.

    • Thanks: The Wild Geese Howard
  105. @James Speaks
    I deal with so many negro women who are dumber than mud and ugly, too, who think they are some sort of wonderful gift to white men that the mere concept of this film makes me want to puke.

    Replies: @HammerJack

    Speaking of, Saint Stacey did lose in Georgia, so there’s that.

    https://archive.ph/coydE (WSJ)

    • Thanks: James Speaks
  106. @notsaying
    @Thatcher76

    I would love to see a show set in an inner city but there are no gangs and the kids go to school and learn.

    Fantasy, yes. But let the people see the alternate reality that they could have. We could take steps to smash the gangs and put the people who won't turn away from a life of crime in prison. We could improve schools and give kids the mental health care they need so they are not in class every day miserable and stopping the other kids from learning.

    Let us see a possible alternate better world and reasonable achievements for blacks.

    Let us see if it would spur some rethinking and new demands from black voters for the Democratic Party to really change things in a way that would help them.

    Replies: @HammerJack

    Black people were making real progress for decades, but TPTB decided it’s preferable to pander to them and promote the worst instincts of the worst cohorts among them. And pin it all on Deplorables.

    There are decent, honest, and honorable black people — I’ve known several — and they are dismayed at the trajectory. But they remain quiet about it lest they too attract the Wrath of the Woke. Unfortunately the cultural juggernaut corrals a few more of them every day.

    • Disagree: AceDeuce
    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @HammerJack


    Black people were making real progress for decades, but TPTB decided it’s preferable to pander to them and promote the worst instincts of the worst cohorts among them. And pin it all on Deplorables.
     
    Indeed. But @notsaying's prescriptions:

    We could take steps to smash the gangs and put the people who won’t turn away from a life of crime in prison. We could improve schools and give kids the mental health care they need so they are not in class every day miserable and stopping the other kids from learning.
     
    Are unpossible today. Black incarceration rates would skyrocket, unless we made free use of the death penalty with which our current police-judicial complex can no longer be trusted with. Or there's the even more difficult in so many ways option of exile to Africa.

    I'm not sure how well it would work with an African(-American) population, but England starting in the 13th Century or so physically removed 1-2% of its criminals from society every year, resulting in a steadily declining rate of interpersonal violence until the 1950s or so which was also when effective self-defense was outlawed by the courts, followed by Parliament in the next decade.

    Strict discipline would be required in the schools, not just iffy mental health care; with an average IQ of 85 and their innate criminality a great many blacks are just not suited to this sort of learning. At minimum you'd have to segregate by IQ and behavior and that's something our public teachers etc. would not accept.

    And you'd have to do something with the ones for whom the only solution is expulsion from real attempts to teach, but who shouldn't be left to their own devices that young, literal warehousing I suppose with I'm not sure what to occupy their hands and minds. (And all of these are general problems, not just with blacks, see for example the Stoneman shooter who's BTW not Hispanic).

    Getting back to your point, England could do that because it had a hostile ruling elite since 1066, ours has enlisted blacks as golems to further their ambitions. What you outline is part of what's today an absolutely vital part of our Democracy(TM) cheating machine, which is even bipartisan in Georgia.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Jack D

  107. @Joe Magarac
    The whole Black Panther franchise is very racist in conception, and I do mean racist against black people.

    Here's this group of black people with unearned advanced technology courtesy of a plot device that amounts to magic. And after 7000 years their social organization hasn't advanced past "big boss" tribal organization.

    Making money off gullible schwartzers while making fun of them.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @J.Ross

    Quibble. European political advance came along and through European technological churn. If a society was gifted a revelation-technology, instead of earning it through various wars and projects (which bring political change), then wouldn’t their political thinking be frozen at the moment of revelation?
    Compare the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
    It’s still a shameful fantasy to have, because it’s a sloth-pride fantasy, but the idea that their political development would not keep pace with the English, absent everything the English went through, sounds about right.

  108. @kaganovitch
    @Colin Wright

    What is it about David Frum? There’s some particular attribute, I know it…

    Canadian?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Colin Wright, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Punchable.

  109. @kaganovitch
    @Colin Wright

    What is it about David Frum? There’s some particular attribute, I know it…

    Canadian?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Colin Wright, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    ‘Canadian?’

    Thanks. That must be it.

  110. @kaganovitch
    @Colin Wright

    What is it about David Frum? There’s some particular attribute, I know it…

    Canadian?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Colin Wright, @Jenner Ickham Errican

  111. @Achmed E. Newman
    @John Johnson

    John, I gave up my shot so some poor African could get the vaccine and the blood clots instead. Sally Struthers would be so proud! (In fact, I did this to have some small chance of getting in her pants.)

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Dmon, @Harry Baldwin, @SafeNow

    Sally Struthers

    Ah, yes. Memories. We still remember. But I must amend the possible implication that the repeat exposure of a weekly tv show, or whatever, is required to create this type of memory that endures. Here is the Bernstein speech from Citizen Kane. Roger Ebert called it the best piece of dialog written in the history of the movies. Many here will disagree with that. But who here can truthfully say it does not resonate? 63-second video:

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @SafeNow

    Truthfully, were you talking Barbara Cooper (Romano) from Indianapolis, I could see my having a Citizen Kane moment. Sally Struthers, no, that was in jest, even for 1970s Gloria. ... then there's Maude....

    ... 's daughter... right on, Maude!

  112. @Reg Cæsar
    https://twitter.com/Steve_Sailer/status/1596636410550681601?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Escreen-name%3Asteve_sailer%7Ctwcon%5Es1


    "Gun violence" must be sport, because reporters have to lie about what's staring them in the face. (Follow Frum's thread back, and you'll see he's gone full feminist, too-- Margaret Atwood with a five-o'-clock shadow.)

    "High-income" is his replacement for the go-to euphemisms for white-or-yellow, "industrialized" and "developed". Blood-soaked Russia, Brazil, and South Africa are all industrialized, too, but their paychecks are still modest, so that's the ticket!

    Indonesia has a similar population and climate to Brazil, with about two-thirds the income and much higher density. So the Spice Islanders must be more homicidal, right?

    Brazil's homicide rate is 63 times that of Indonesia.

    Frum shows Switzerland as #2 in "gun violence". Funny, Switzerland's total homicide rate is lower than all but two of Frum's other 14-- Norway and Japan.

    Figures from here:

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/murder-rate-by-country

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Hypnotoad666, @Muggles

    LOL. “What could explain this baffling mystery?” Indeed. Why is the U.S. so different from a list of countries with 100% European and Asian people? An enigma wrapped in a riddle, I guess.

    In fairness, though, in some of the more demographically relevant countries (like South Frica), “machetti violence” is likely to be the bigger category.

    By the way, I like how Steve’s original post is about Wakanda II even though he hasn’t seen it and doesn’t plan to. And every single comment in the thread is also by someone who hadn’t seen it, and doesn’t plan to. Not exactly the target audience, I guess.

  113. @Kim
    @TGGP


    Back in 2000 the Onion could mock the movie cliche by having a scrappy band of misfit campers contain:
     
    When I was a boy (((Mad Magazine))) used to do (very unfunny) rips on current movies.

    If it still exists, it might do one on this movie. "Bleecchanda Forever", I suppose they would call it. If they dared.

    Replies: @Nachum, @PiltdownMan

    I think Mad now mostly only reprints old material.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @Nachum

    Though cracked.com is alive and well online and has become even more unfunny than 30 years ago. Unfunny and woke.
    Check it out if you dare.

  114. Wakanda is the country of the future – and always will be.

    • LOL: Cutter, John Johnson
  115. @Jus' Sayin'...
    "Wakanda Forever" is just silly, just another variation on the "we wuz kangs" Negro fantasies that seem to be proliferating these days in almost perfect synchrony with rising levels of Negro dysfunction.

    A truly evil movie with origins in the same BLM/SJW/woke fantasy world is "The Woman King". (https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2022/09/18/woke-fail-boycottwomanking-trends-over-slave-trade-whitewashing/).

    This movie portrays the Kingdom of Dahomey's (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahomey) so-called "Amazons" as stylishly dressed defenders of their fellow Africans against the depredations of European slave traders. In fact, the King of Dahomey made his kingdom rich and powerful by enslaving Africans from neighboring tribes and killing/torturing to death any he didn't enslave. The slaves were then either sold at the coast to Europeans in the Atlantic slave trade or frequently sacrificed in Ju Ju religious rituals. The Dahomeyan king entrusted his Amazons with this task. They would raid villages, killing or torturing to death anyone not suitable for slavery, burning the village to the ground, and bringing captured slaves back to the coast.

    The women recruited for this task were those regarded as too ugly to serve the King in any other capacity. They were highly effective against other tribes but were almost wiped out in the few battles they fought against European armies that were protecting client states from Dahomeyan depredations. (https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/dahomeys-women-warriors-88286072/)

    One particularly annoying aspect of this movie is the false depiction of European slave traders treking into the interior to enslave Negros. In fact, European slave traders bought Negros who'd already been enslaved by other Negros at entrepots along the coast. This false depiction of the Atlantic slave trade goes back to Alex Haley's "Roots" and the various TV series and movies based on that book.

    Replies: @Graveldips, @nonentity, @Jim Don Bob

    Arabs for hundreds of years spent decades wandering sub saharan Africa armed with firelocks and swords along with tribal allies, enslaving and transporting Blacks to places like Zanzibar, etc. as well as enslaving any Europeans they could get. Read “sufferings in Africa” by James Riley for just one account.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @nonentity

    Depicted in the little known 1977 movie, "Slavers." (With Britt Ekland.)

  116. It’s kind of pathetic, really, that some black folk have gotten so enchanted with a fictional place where people of their kind have shown European style talent and initiative that has not yet been seen in the real world. The current odd obsession with the glory of “blackness” seems like a teenage rebellion phase, a needful separation from mom and dad (aka the White Devil) in the quest for adulthood and independence. The barriers to black progress are mostly gone now: it’s time to put up or shut up, but plenty of people fear they won’t be able to make it on their own, just as all kids have moments of doubt as they struggle to fit into the larger world. And of course, the not inconsiderable black criminal class and the con artist element are taking full advantage of the turmoil to indulge in their evil hobbies. This will play out as it must. Look how the Irish and Italians and all the rest “became white” in time too. Some even think the purely WASP idea of “white supremacy” was meant to include them too! People of good will eventually will prevail. This is pretty much how history works.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Observator

    The Irish and the Italians didn't have a 15 IQ point intelligence deficit. Blacks have been here for 400 years and this gap shows no sign of disappearing.

  117. @martin_2
    @Steven Carr

    Yes, what did become of him? Has he grown up to be a cutting edge computer scientist? I hoped, at the time of this particular kerfuffle that there would be a follow up a few years later, because I strongly suspected that the said young men would have, let as say, not fulfilled his earlier promise.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Jus' Sayin'...

    Wasn’t he promised a free ride at MIT? Even in the current year, I doubt being one of the holy races gives you enough credit to pass MIT-level hard sciences. I see a future career as a motivational speaker on the “Anti-White Grift” circuit that made rich men out of Greenblatt, Nessy-Coates, etc.

  118. Anonymous[218] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    The blackety-black-black articles are getting a little old. Care to write an article on who controls the purse strings, Mr Noticer?

    You've had one month straight of blatant material, yet you dive further into sports stats. Is this a cope?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    That’s his MO. 5 or 6 boring articles about irrelevant, picayune nonsense (% of left handed bankers whose nephews played shortstop after the Dust Bowl) followed by 1 article of genuine bad behavior. Never striking at the root cause, always messing around then sort of going near it for 5 seconds before back to business as usual. He’s the most milquetoast writer featured here. The way the outside world treats him you’d think he was the author of Der Strumer or something.

  119. Oddly enough, the fantasy reads like fantasy. As with the transmania, the problem is imagined to be only one of imagining. One need only identify as a woman, and Istari or a Vulcan, to make it so.

    The literary problem isn’t one of the fantastic, that’s par for the course in comics. The problem is taking itself seriously.

    Monty Python skewered this beautifully in Life of Bryan.

    LORETTA/STAN: It’s every man’s right to have babies if he wants them.


    FRANCIS: It is symbolic of our struggle against oppression.
    REG: It’s symbolic of his struggle against reality.

  120. She studied at M.I.T. ? Damn ; the White man is needed again to ” jump start ” Black intellect ! There is never any Black independence from the White man for a ” First World ” standard of living ! Black genius doesn’t want to share her invention with non -whites; how ” Black ” of her ! So unlike the ‘ ” Whites ” !

  121. @Batman
    On a somewhat related note, black woman refuses to pay checked baggage fee, refuses to deplane. Reason: "we tired"

    https://nypost.com/2022/11/25/enraged-couple-forces-entire-frontier-airlines-plane-to-disembark/amp/

    Replies: @Jack D

    OTOH, you can almost sympathize with these folks – traveling for 20 hrs because there’s no direct flight (or at least one that they can afford), then you are ALMOST at the jetway and Frontier has this new indignity – you have to fit your “personal item” into a little cage or else they will extort another $60 from you on the spot.

    Of course what they did was wrong but charging your customer $60 because their bag is a few inches too big is also wrong. Except this couple got thrown off the plane and put on a no-fly list for their wrong and the CEO of Frontier gets a big bonus every time he figures out a new way to extort his customers. Want to book a flight on the phone? $35 per ticket, please. Want to check in at the airport with a human instead of a machine – that’s another charge. Want a cup of water on the plane? That’s a charge. Pay toilets next? An extra charge for being allowed to sit down on the plane (they already try to charge you if you want to pick a seat in advance)?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Jack D

    https://www.tiktok.com/@elyukaa/video/7162301287290162474

    Replies: @Jack D

  122. And of course, we know that White male innovators get the lion’s share of financial backing

    Shouldn’t Karen have thrown in a couter-example? Hows about Theranos?

  123. @Jack D
    @Batman

    OTOH, you can almost sympathize with these folks - traveling for 20 hrs because there's no direct flight (or at least one that they can afford), then you are ALMOST at the jetway and Frontier has this new indignity - you have to fit your "personal item" into a little cage or else they will extort another $60 from you on the spot.

    Of course what they did was wrong but charging your customer $60 because their bag is a few inches too big is also wrong. Except this couple got thrown off the plane and put on a no-fly list for their wrong and the CEO of Frontier gets a big bonus every time he figures out a new way to extort his customers. Want to book a flight on the phone? $35 per ticket, please. Want to check in at the airport with a human instead of a machine - that's another charge. Want a cup of water on the plane? That's a charge. Pay toilets next? An extra charge for being allowed to sit down on the plane (they already try to charge you if you want to pick a seat in advance)?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Reg Cæsar

    I was recently on a Frontier flight and their new practice (at least I think it's new) is to move the sizing cage to the boarding gate and make every single passenger put every single bag into the cage to demonstrate to the gate agent that it is not larger than the permitted size. So no more sneaking oversized bags on board like in the video. Of course this slows down the boarding process, but Frontier's revenue model is more important.

    The old way was kind of like the American system of speed enforcement - everyone goes faster than the posted speed limit but only a few people get caught. Americans kind of like this system as it is, or at least tolerate it. Frontier's new policy is more like speed cams, where 100% of speeders get tickets. People hate speed cams.

    Replies: @Nico

  124. @JimDandy
    @Steven Carr

    I believe he was an Arab falsely accused of making a bomb because he wanted people to think it was a bomb and then he lied like a shithead kid and said, "It's just a clock!" and then Obama endorsed that position.

    Replies: @Ian Smith

    Sudanese, so Arab/Kneegrow hybrid.

    • Thanks: JimDandy
  125. I’m holding out for Wakanda III. I hear they’ve signed Stacy Abrams and the plot line has something to do with a chain of donut shops.

  126. @anonymous
    Real life Wakanda is the majority black, very rich Cayman Islands, although PM since last year is white.

    Replies: @Ian Smith, @Robert Ritter.

    It’s a little humiliating to admit that the only rich black countries are half tax shelter, half resort.

  127. @New Dealer
    The Walter Mitty approach to Black advancement.

    Replies: @Director95

    Wakanda – a childish black fantasy. A grown man should not play mind-games with silly fantasy films; you can connect anything with anything and still make no sense.

  128. @Wilkey
    @Half Canadian


    Africa is doing better without the vaccine than the Western Nations who had it.

     

    Yes, Africans in Africa handled COVID quite well - thanks to the fact that old age and diabetes aren't huge problems there. Most of the people in Africa who would be vulnerable to COVID were already dead. Blacks in America, however, died at very high rates.

    Replies: @Kim, @John Johnson

    Yes, Africans in Africa handled COVID quite well – thanks to the fact that old age and diabetes aren’t huge problems there. Most of the people in Africa who would be vulnerable to COVID were already dead. Blacks in America, however, died at very high rates.

    Some of our gifted vaccine shipments to them ended up in landfills.

    They didn’t have the infrastructure to properly distribute them before they expired.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/nigeria-destroys-1-mln-donated-astrazeneca-vaccines-with-short-shelf-life-2021-12-22/

  129. It’s refreshing to see, even fictionally, an African nation strong enough to deny the West its resources and its technology — a complete reversal of today’s world order.

    Attiah (not so) secretly reveals the current black agenda: their concept is not MLK’s vision of putting everyone on an equal plane regardless of race. She wants to flip the totem pole and put blacks on top of it and have whites begging them for scraps for a change (and blacks will say no). She finds that to be “refreshing”.

    “The last shall be first” is an old and appealing meme. One of the reasons that Christianity spread was that it contained this message (and one of the reasons why it was appealing to blacks). But the Marxist criticism of Christianity was that it encouraged people not to do anything to alter their earthly fate – some deus ex machina would take care of that for them. All they had to do was pray.

    I suppose this movie could be useful if blacks see it and it fulfills their need for wish fulfillment. They have seen a (fantasy) world where strong and brilliant blacks rule. OK, it’s a complete fantasy but they have at least seen it, so now they can go home and rest and work on their hairdos. Anyway, it’s whitey that has to do the work of ” encouraging [black girls] to be inventors in science and technology”. Since blacks have no agency, there’s nothing that they have to do themselves.

    What would be scary is if they saw this movie and really took it as a blueprint for action by blacks but I don’t think that will happen – too much work involved.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Jack D

    But the Marxist criticism of Christianity was that it encouraged people not to do anything to alter their earthly fate – some deus ex machina would take care of that for them. All they had to do was pray.

    Marx also believed it part of a bourgeois system that subdued women and that there would be a plethora of female geniuses if not for their suppression. Sounds awfully familiar, doesn't it? He wrote about the plight of women while shagging his maid.

    Curiously he denied gender in his works but believed that Africans weren't advanced enough to adopt Communism.

    What would be scary is if they saw this movie and really took it as a blueprint for action by blacks but I don’t think that will happen – too much work involved.

    It is a blueprint for White liberals that want to force their beliefs onto reality.

    They are clearly uninterested in what is true and will do whatever it takes to see through their goals even it involves sourcing comic book material.

    Black men will join any movement that is perceived to be pro-Black and militant. They really don't care about the source. Just look at the rise of Hebrew Blacks. Doesn't make a lick of sense but they just had a massive march in NYC the other day.

  130. “ But this sequel, which I haven’t seen, sounds like a [email protected]

    So you really don’t know, Mr. Sailer. Thus, see the movie and write your “review” of it as a “film critic”.

  131. @Reg Cæsar
    @Jack D

    https://www.tiktok.com/@elyukaa/video/7162301287290162474

    Replies: @Jack D

    I was recently on a Frontier flight and their new practice (at least I think it’s new) is to move the sizing cage to the boarding gate and make every single passenger put every single bag into the cage to demonstrate to the gate agent that it is not larger than the permitted size. So no more sneaking oversized bags on board like in the video. Of course this slows down the boarding process, but Frontier’s revenue model is more important.

    The old way was kind of like the American system of speed enforcement – everyone goes faster than the posted speed limit but only a few people get caught. Americans kind of like this system as it is, or at least tolerate it. Frontier’s new policy is more like speed cams, where 100% of speeders get tickets. People hate speed cams.

    • Replies: @Nico
    @Jack D

    If they’re going to do that, there is no longer an excuse for not charging a variable ticket price partly as a function of the total weight of the load: passenger’s plus all his luggage. It would be a much fairer system and would get the fatties’ attention much better than “education” or inedible school lunches.

  132. @John Johnson
    Welcome to the future where political analysis based on a completely fictional movie is taken seriously.

    I was reminded of the selfishness of Western nations during the height of the global covid-19 pandemic when these nations gobbled up lifesaving vaccines and left Africa largely out of the equation.

    Gobbled them up? Where did they come from? Wakanda?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Half Canadian, @OilcanFloyd

    Welcome to the future where political analysis based on a completely fictional movie is taken seriously.

    That future has been here forever. South Park is a good recent example. I can’t believe how many adults I’ve met who take that cartoon seriously. The Simpsons is another recent example. To Kill a Mockingbird is an older example, but the cartoons for adults are the worst.

    • Agree: AceDeuce
  133. @Richard B
    @Tom F.


    “Black Panther 2” – was created by two whites, Jack Kirby and Stan Lee (b. Lieber, brother of Marvel Bullpen stalwart Larry Lieber).
     
    ...two whites. Haha!

    Replies: @Tom F.

  134. My news feed is customizable, so over and over, and over, and over, I marked ‘Wakangza Forever’ as a subject I was not interested in. But they just kept coming. Finally, I started blocking every news source that carried one of these stories. I’ve blocked over fifty sources so far, and I’ve got it down to only two or three Wakangza stories a day. They are really pushing this one hard.

  135. @Nachum
    @Kim

    I think Mad now mostly only reprints old material.

    Replies: @BB753

    Though cracked.com is alive and well online and has become even more unfunny than 30 years ago. Unfunny and woke.
    Check it out if you dare.

    • Thanks: Kim
  136. Wakanda has picked up where Lake Wobegon left off — All the black women are strong, all the black men are good-looking, and all the black children are above average

  137. @martin_2
    @Steven Carr

    Yes, what did become of him? Has he grown up to be a cutting edge computer scientist? I hoped, at the time of this particular kerfuffle that there would be a follow up a few years later, because I strongly suspected that the said young men would have, let as say, not fulfilled his earlier promise.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Jus' Sayin'...

    Yes, what did become of him? Has he grown up to be a cutting edge computer scientist?

    Evidently the clock/fake bomb was intended to elicit the exact reaction it did so that this family of Somali grifters could then sue everyone in sight for lots of money. After they lost all their suits and the family had to pay court costs, they moved to Qatar. (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/mar/15/ahmed-mohamed-clock-boy-shut-down-again-hopefully-/)

    Ahmed Mohammed has dropped from sight entirely. (https://networthandsalary.com/ahmed-mohamed/)

    Unfortunately, the grifter in the White House at the time, who helped promote this scam has been a significantly more successful con artist and now has an estimated net worth in the eight or nine figure range

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  138. @Colin Wright
    @Steven Carr

    '...What about that kid who invented a clock and got to meet Obama? What happened to him?'

    Maybe the next one really was a bomb.

    It would explain the silence since.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    ‘…What about that kid who invented a clock and got to meet Obama? What happened to him?’

    Maybe the next one really was a bomb.

    It would explain the silence since.

    Heh, and Wikipedia has an article on the incident, not the kid.

    But echoing what I remember at the time, he and his family bugged out within 3-4 months to Qatar by the end of 2015. Wikipedia adds:

    The family returned to the Dallas area in June 2016, saying they missed the relatives who had stayed in the U.S., and they would return to Qatar in the fall. In August 2016, it was reported that Ahmed Mohamed would start 10th grade at Qatar Academy in Doha in September 2016.

    He’s pretty damned dark, and further research tells me his father immigrated from Sudan. However Muslim they might be from religion to aggression, Arabs are not likely to have given them a warm reception.

  139. @HammerJack
    @notsaying

    Black people were making real progress for decades, but TPTB decided it's preferable to pander to them and promote the worst instincts of the worst cohorts among them. And pin it all on Deplorables.

    There are decent, honest, and honorable black people — I've known several — and they are dismayed at the trajectory. But they remain quiet about it lest they too attract the Wrath of the Woke. Unfortunately the cultural juggernaut corrals a few more of them every day.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    Black people were making real progress for decades, but TPTB decided it’s preferable to pander to them and promote the worst instincts of the worst cohorts among them. And pin it all on Deplorables.

    Indeed. But ’s prescriptions:

    We could take steps to smash the gangs and put the people who won’t turn away from a life of crime in prison. We could improve schools and give kids the mental health care they need so they are not in class every day miserable and stopping the other kids from learning.

    Are unpossible today. Black incarceration rates would skyrocket, unless we made free use of the death penalty with which our current police-judicial complex can no longer be trusted with. Or there’s the even more difficult in so many ways option of exile to Africa.

    I’m not sure how well it would work with an African(-American) population, but England starting in the 13th Century or so physically removed 1-2% of its criminals from society every year, resulting in a steadily declining rate of interpersonal violence until the 1950s or so which was also when effective self-defense was outlawed by the courts, followed by Parliament in the next decade.

    Strict discipline would be required in the schools, not just iffy mental health care; with an average IQ of 85 and their innate criminality a great many blacks are just not suited to this sort of learning. At minimum you’d have to segregate by IQ and behavior and that’s something our public teachers etc. would not accept.

    And you’d have to do something with the ones for whom the only solution is expulsion from real attempts to teach, but who shouldn’t be left to their own devices that young, literal warehousing I suppose with I’m not sure what to occupy their hands and minds. (And all of these are general problems, not just with blacks, see for example the Stoneman shooter who’s BTW not Hispanic).

    Getting back to your point, England could do that because it had a hostile ruling elite since 1066, ours has enlisted blacks as golems to further their ambitions. What you outline is part of what’s today an absolutely vital part of our Democracy(TM) cheating machine, which is even bipartisan in Georgia.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @That Would Be Telling

    Strict discipline would be required in the schools, not just iffy mental health care; with an average IQ of 85 and their innate criminality a great many blacks are just not suited to this sort of learning. At minimum you’d have to segregate by IQ and behavior and that’s something our public teachers etc. would not accept.

    I don't know what that would even look like.

    We take the disruptive kids out of the classroom and then what? Put them in the basement with a teacher? Do we just let them watch TV and fight? Are they going to school? Do they graduate?

    Conservatives that talk about this theory haven't followed it through.

    It seems good in theory but where do they go? We just stick them in a pen somewhere?

    Do they just expel them? Where do the expelled kids go? White people will complain about them hanging around the cities and causing problems. Urban Whites will demand that Black youth go back to school.

    Liberals flip out when you expel them. That is the whole "school prison pipeline" argument.

    It's all just a sh-tshow from race denial on the part of both liberals and conservatives. The best we could do is try to reverse welfare dysgenics and let the mulattoes lead. Try to stabilize some of these areas by discouraging middle class Blacks from leaving. Stop encouraging the worst Blacks to have the most children via welfare.

    But even conservatives flip out when you even mention dysgenics. Whites in general don't like the reality of groups genetics. Hard to talk about a problem when everyone in the room takes religious offense to the mere possibility of it existing.

    I am certain the urban liberal plan was to bring in Hispanics with the hope that Blacks will cross breed with them. Well that isn't working either. First gen Hispanics are less likely to breed with them than White women.

    I'm open to ideas but the situation is much worse than people realize. The Black/White gap in schools is the result of fudging and discouraging White students. The gap that exists is in favor of Blacks as shocking as that may sound. If you improved education for everyone then Whites would be further ahead. As it is the smarter White kids are sandbagged by Common Core and liberal gobbly gook.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Jack D
    @That Would Be Telling

    Nikolas Cruz was adopted at birth. I don't know what his genetic heritage was but he appears white and his adoptive parents were nice upper middle class type people. If I had to guess, Cruz, Sr. was probably of white Cuban heritage - white Cubans assimilate into America the same as other white Europeans. Cruz, Jr. was however troubled from the start - perhaps fetal alcohol syndrome or other genetic issues. He was the classic FLK - as soon as you looked at him you could sense that something was "off".

    The idea that if we got rid of minorities all our problems would be over is stupid. England was once upon a time 100% white and they still had a low IQ underclass, even after 7 centuries of eugenic breeding. Underclasses, middle men, elites, etc. seem to occupy ecological niches in all societies and there are always different groups that fill each available niche. If you get rid of that group, some other group will fill the empty niche.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Jonathan Mason

  140. @Jack D

    It’s refreshing to see, even fictionally, an African nation strong enough to deny the West its resources and its technology — a complete reversal of today’s world order.
     
    Attiah (not so) secretly reveals the current black agenda: their concept is not MLK's vision of putting everyone on an equal plane regardless of race. She wants to flip the totem pole and put blacks on top of it and have whites begging them for scraps for a change (and blacks will say no). She finds that to be "refreshing".

    "The last shall be first" is an old and appealing meme. One of the reasons that Christianity spread was that it contained this message (and one of the reasons why it was appealing to blacks). But the Marxist criticism of Christianity was that it encouraged people not to do anything to alter their earthly fate - some deus ex machina would take care of that for them. All they had to do was pray.

    I suppose this movie could be useful if blacks see it and it fulfills their need for wish fulfillment. They have seen a (fantasy) world where strong and brilliant blacks rule. OK, it's a complete fantasy but they have at least seen it, so now they can go home and rest and work on their hairdos. Anyway, it's whitey that has to do the work of " encouraging [black girls] to be inventors in science and technology". Since blacks have no agency, there's nothing that they have to do themselves.

    What would be scary is if they saw this movie and really took it as a blueprint for action by blacks but I don't think that will happen - too much work involved.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    But the Marxist criticism of Christianity was that it encouraged people not to do anything to alter their earthly fate – some deus ex machina would take care of that for them. All they had to do was pray.

    Marx also believed it part of a bourgeois system that subdued women and that there would be a plethora of female geniuses if not for their suppression. Sounds awfully familiar, doesn’t it? He wrote about the plight of women while shagging his maid.

    Curiously he denied gender in his works but believed that Africans weren’t advanced enough to adopt Communism.

    What would be scary is if they saw this movie and really took it as a blueprint for action by blacks but I don’t think that will happen – too much work involved.

    It is a blueprint for White liberals that want to force their beliefs onto reality.

    They are clearly uninterested in what is true and will do whatever it takes to see through their goals even it involves sourcing comic book material.

    Black men will join any movement that is perceived to be pro-Black and militant. They really don’t care about the source. Just look at the rise of Hebrew Blacks. Doesn’t make a lick of sense but they just had a massive march in NYC the other day.

  141. @Graveldips
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    I recall noticing that years ago while watching "Roots" on TV. White men with flintlock muskets wandering about a tropical rain forest hunting Negroes. Must of had the special White Man's moisture-proof black powder.

    Replies: @Jack D

    And lots of anti-malarial drugs.

    In reality, white people couldn’t survive in the interior of sub-Saharan Africa due to tropical diseases. I’m sure they paid dearly for the slaves in the slave ports (though not nearly as much as these same slaves fetched in Charleston or Havana or Belem) and would have preferred it if they were able to cut out the middleman, but they didn’t really have the ability to go into the interior to hunt them for themselves. Livingstone was ill for the last 4 years of his life and died of malaria and dysentery not long after his famous meeting with Stanley.

  142. @Achmed E. Newman
    @AnotherDad


    Being in a society that now has a religious doctrine more or less equivalent to “the sun comes up in the West” is a pretty darn depressing experience.
     
    Now you know how the Russians, Poles, Hungarians, Czechs, and Chinese peons felt for 4-7 decades. It's part of the Communist ritual of humiliation, AnotherDad.

    The black people enjoying the movie may really not know better. The people that make the movies, and the people that encourage and extol all these "sun rising in the west" obvious lies enjoy making Americans agree in public with this all ... until we don't. I'm done agreeing! Maybe iSteve will be nice about all this shit until he's in a big crowd being pushed towards a long wide ditch.

    (Which is perhaps the point.)
     
    Indeed.

    Replies: @Pixo, @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr.

    Thanks, Herb. I'd never seen this.

  143. @That Would Be Telling
    @HammerJack


    Black people were making real progress for decades, but TPTB decided it’s preferable to pander to them and promote the worst instincts of the worst cohorts among them. And pin it all on Deplorables.
     
    Indeed. But @notsaying's prescriptions:

    We could take steps to smash the gangs and put the people who won’t turn away from a life of crime in prison. We could improve schools and give kids the mental health care they need so they are not in class every day miserable and stopping the other kids from learning.
     
    Are unpossible today. Black incarceration rates would skyrocket, unless we made free use of the death penalty with which our current police-judicial complex can no longer be trusted with. Or there's the even more difficult in so many ways option of exile to Africa.

    I'm not sure how well it would work with an African(-American) population, but England starting in the 13th Century or so physically removed 1-2% of its criminals from society every year, resulting in a steadily declining rate of interpersonal violence until the 1950s or so which was also when effective self-defense was outlawed by the courts, followed by Parliament in the next decade.

    Strict discipline would be required in the schools, not just iffy mental health care; with an average IQ of 85 and their innate criminality a great many blacks are just not suited to this sort of learning. At minimum you'd have to segregate by IQ and behavior and that's something our public teachers etc. would not accept.

    And you'd have to do something with the ones for whom the only solution is expulsion from real attempts to teach, but who shouldn't be left to their own devices that young, literal warehousing I suppose with I'm not sure what to occupy their hands and minds. (And all of these are general problems, not just with blacks, see for example the Stoneman shooter who's BTW not Hispanic).

    Getting back to your point, England could do that because it had a hostile ruling elite since 1066, ours has enlisted blacks as golems to further their ambitions. What you outline is part of what's today an absolutely vital part of our Democracy(TM) cheating machine, which is even bipartisan in Georgia.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Jack D

    Strict discipline would be required in the schools, not just iffy mental health care; with an average IQ of 85 and their innate criminality a great many blacks are just not suited to this sort of learning. At minimum you’d have to segregate by IQ and behavior and that’s something our public teachers etc. would not accept.

    I don’t know what that would even look like.

    We take the disruptive kids out of the classroom and then what? Put them in the basement with a teacher? Do we just let them watch TV and fight? Are they going to school? Do they graduate?

    Conservatives that talk about this theory haven’t followed it through.

    It seems good in theory but where do they go? We just stick them in a pen somewhere?

    Do they just expel them? Where do the expelled kids go? White people will complain about them hanging around the cities and causing problems. Urban Whites will demand that Black youth go back to school.

    Liberals flip out when you expel them. That is the whole “school prison pipeline” argument.

    It’s all just a sh-tshow from race denial on the part of both liberals and conservatives. The best we could do is try to reverse welfare dysgenics and let the mulattoes lead. Try to stabilize some of these areas by discouraging middle class Blacks from leaving. Stop encouraging the worst Blacks to have the most children via welfare.

    But even conservatives flip out when you even mention dysgenics. Whites in general don’t like the reality of groups genetics. Hard to talk about a problem when everyone in the room takes religious offense to the mere possibility of it existing.

    I am certain the urban liberal plan was to bring in Hispanics with the hope that Blacks will cross breed with them. Well that isn’t working either. First gen Hispanics are less likely to breed with them than White women.

    I’m open to ideas but the situation is much worse than people realize. The Black/White gap in schools is the result of fudging and discouraging White students. The gap that exists is in favor of Blacks as shocking as that may sound. If you improved education for everyone then Whites would be further ahead. As it is the smarter White kids are sandbagged by Common Core and liberal gobbly gook.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @John Johnson

    I think the Brazil solution could work. Just by breeding all blacks with whites and Asians for 1 generation you raise the average IQ to maybe 93 from 85. And that only absorbs 13 percentage points of whites and Asians - you have plenty of 100% whites and Asians left over to run a functional society. Also if everyone is some shade of brown then racial issues go away. Half Asians like Tiger Woods and Naomi Osaka gain athletic skills (and black skin privilege). Mexico doesn't have any black problem because their black population just dissolved into general population without a trace. Leftists would not object to such a plan, though black nationalists might.

    In early America, we were maybe 30% of the way there but then the color line descended and blacks bred only with blacks for a couple of centuries.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  144. @That Would Be Telling
    @HammerJack


    Black people were making real progress for decades, but TPTB decided it’s preferable to pander to them and promote the worst instincts of the worst cohorts among them. And pin it all on Deplorables.
     
    Indeed. But @notsaying's prescriptions:

    We could take steps to smash the gangs and put the people who won’t turn away from a life of crime in prison. We could improve schools and give kids the mental health care they need so they are not in class every day miserable and stopping the other kids from learning.
     
    Are unpossible today. Black incarceration rates would skyrocket, unless we made free use of the death penalty with which our current police-judicial complex can no longer be trusted with. Or there's the even more difficult in so many ways option of exile to Africa.

    I'm not sure how well it would work with an African(-American) population, but England starting in the 13th Century or so physically removed 1-2% of its criminals from society every year, resulting in a steadily declining rate of interpersonal violence until the 1950s or so which was also when effective self-defense was outlawed by the courts, followed by Parliament in the next decade.

    Strict discipline would be required in the schools, not just iffy mental health care; with an average IQ of 85 and their innate criminality a great many blacks are just not suited to this sort of learning. At minimum you'd have to segregate by IQ and behavior and that's something our public teachers etc. would not accept.

    And you'd have to do something with the ones for whom the only solution is expulsion from real attempts to teach, but who shouldn't be left to their own devices that young, literal warehousing I suppose with I'm not sure what to occupy their hands and minds. (And all of these are general problems, not just with blacks, see for example the Stoneman shooter who's BTW not Hispanic).

    Getting back to your point, England could do that because it had a hostile ruling elite since 1066, ours has enlisted blacks as golems to further their ambitions. What you outline is part of what's today an absolutely vital part of our Democracy(TM) cheating machine, which is even bipartisan in Georgia.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Jack D

    Nikolas Cruz was adopted at birth. I don’t know what his genetic heritage was but he appears white and his adoptive parents were nice upper middle class type people. If I had to guess, Cruz, Sr. was probably of white Cuban heritage – white Cubans assimilate into America the same as other white Europeans. Cruz, Jr. was however troubled from the start – perhaps fetal alcohol syndrome or other genetic issues. He was the classic FLK – as soon as you looked at him you could sense that something was “off”.

    The idea that if we got rid of minorities all our problems would be over is stupid. England was once upon a time 100% white and they still had a low IQ underclass, even after 7 centuries of eugenic breeding. Underclasses, middle men, elites, etc. seem to occupy ecological niches in all societies and there are always different groups that fill each available niche. If you get rid of that group, some other group will fill the empty niche.

    • Agree: Son of a jedi
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Jack D

    The idea that if we got rid of minorities all our problems would be over is stupid. England was once upon a time 100% white and they still had a low IQ underclass, even after 7 centuries of eugenic breeding.

    England once sent their problem Whites to a penal colony and it became Australia. The Haitians haven't even mastered Roman level sanitation.

    I don't advocate getting rid of all minorities but liberal race-denial based programs easily run over 100 billion a year.

    We certainly wouldn't have a deficit if our cowardly conservatives admitted to race existing instead of letting liberals run wild with their government programs.

    This idea that all groups have an equivalent problem minority is intellectually dishonest. Britain never had a city like Oakland or Detroit where it went to total sh-t after an underclass took over. Compton was actually once an upper class White city and Detroit was considered the most European of the American cities. The wealthy French would in fact visit Detroit to do their shopping.

    I would be less skeptical of racial egalitarians if they could point to a Black city that didn't have problems. They cannot and in fact flip out over such questions. Real convincing.

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @Jack D


    The idea that if we got rid of minorities all our problems would be over is stupid. England was once upon a time 100% white and they still had a low IQ underclass, even after 7 centuries of eugenic breeding
     
    Correct. I was amazed to discover relatively recently from a popular book about criminology that approximately 30% of British males born in 1953 had convictions for the equivalent of a felony in the US. They will nearly all have been white.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  145. @John Johnson
    @That Would Be Telling

    Strict discipline would be required in the schools, not just iffy mental health care; with an average IQ of 85 and their innate criminality a great many blacks are just not suited to this sort of learning. At minimum you’d have to segregate by IQ and behavior and that’s something our public teachers etc. would not accept.

    I don't know what that would even look like.

    We take the disruptive kids out of the classroom and then what? Put them in the basement with a teacher? Do we just let them watch TV and fight? Are they going to school? Do they graduate?

    Conservatives that talk about this theory haven't followed it through.

    It seems good in theory but where do they go? We just stick them in a pen somewhere?

    Do they just expel them? Where do the expelled kids go? White people will complain about them hanging around the cities and causing problems. Urban Whites will demand that Black youth go back to school.

    Liberals flip out when you expel them. That is the whole "school prison pipeline" argument.

    It's all just a sh-tshow from race denial on the part of both liberals and conservatives. The best we could do is try to reverse welfare dysgenics and let the mulattoes lead. Try to stabilize some of these areas by discouraging middle class Blacks from leaving. Stop encouraging the worst Blacks to have the most children via welfare.

    But even conservatives flip out when you even mention dysgenics. Whites in general don't like the reality of groups genetics. Hard to talk about a problem when everyone in the room takes religious offense to the mere possibility of it existing.

    I am certain the urban liberal plan was to bring in Hispanics with the hope that Blacks will cross breed with them. Well that isn't working either. First gen Hispanics are less likely to breed with them than White women.

    I'm open to ideas but the situation is much worse than people realize. The Black/White gap in schools is the result of fudging and discouraging White students. The gap that exists is in favor of Blacks as shocking as that may sound. If you improved education for everyone then Whites would be further ahead. As it is the smarter White kids are sandbagged by Common Core and liberal gobbly gook.

    Replies: @Jack D

    I think the Brazil solution could work. Just by breeding all blacks with whites and Asians for 1 generation you raise the average IQ to maybe 93 from 85. And that only absorbs 13 percentage points of whites and Asians – you have plenty of 100% whites and Asians left over to run a functional society. Also if everyone is some shade of brown then racial issues go away. Half Asians like Tiger Woods and Naomi Osaka gain athletic skills (and black skin privilege). Mexico doesn’t have any black problem because their black population just dissolved into general population without a trace. Leftists would not object to such a plan, though black nationalists might.

    In early America, we were maybe 30% of the way there but then the color line descended and blacks bred only with blacks for a couple of centuries.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Jack D

    I think the Brazil solution could work. Just by breeding all blacks with whites and Asians for 1 generation you raise the average IQ to maybe 93 from 85.

    Well I think that was the unspoken liberal plan but it isn't working. Foreign born Hispanics don't want to breed with Blacks. They are creating their own insular communities.

    I hope I'm wrong but I think the gap is getting worse because of dysgenics.

    There is probably an unfortunate self-selection problem as well.

    The White women that do have kids with Black men aren't at the top of the heap so you can't assume an increase based on the White mean. In fact there could be an entirely unseen dysgenic aspect to that phenomenon. I live near an area with a lot of BM/WW couples and the women are horrible. Shrill and loud working class women that will make your skin crawl.

    Mexico doesn’t have any black problem because their black population just dissolved into general population without a trace.

    Yea but they never started with a large post-slavery population.

    In early America, we were maybe 30% of the way there but then the color line descended and blacks bred only with blacks for a couple of centuries.

    Wouldn't be a problem if welfare didn't reward Black women for sleeping with thugs. Women of all races will not select for stable middle class men at ages 17-20 unless there is social pressure.

    I doubt it is even reversable at this point. Murray and I reached the same conclusion independently which is that liberals will eventually admit that race is real when designer babies are a viable option. I don't think it will work because most Whites will be understandably raging pissed off when liberals admit they have been lying since the 60s. Liberals will expect Whites to pay for a few million GMO babies to fix the race problem that they have been saying is caused by racist Whites. I've even come across political thread where liberals admit that race is real but will eventually be fixed through genetic engineering. What a horrible ideology. They would march us to some crazy dystopia instead of simply admitting that race is real.

  146. @Kim
    @Reg Cæsar

    I just googled the single word "destruction", without context, and got 914,000,000 hits.

    For the collocation "total destruction" I got 348,000,000 hits.

    For "partial destruction" I got 64,700,000 hits.

    These are very, very, very high frequencies.

    It appears that the English language accepts "total/partial destruction" as standard collocations.

    Replies: @Gandydancer

    It appears that the English language accepts “total/partial destruction” as standard collocations.

    That there are many hits doesn’t dispel his claim of illiteracy. There’s a lot of stupidity on the internet, never mind in person. Consider “literally”. Or, a recent peeve of mine, the attempted destruction of the meaning and usefulness of the word “meme”*. The “English language” may accept this nonsense, but I will not.

    “Partial destruction” is anyway not redundant in the way that “total destruction” is. Differences SHOULD be recognized.

    Someone upthread offered the correct response, namely that redundancy can be correctly used for emphasis.

    And RC seemed to be criticizing the wrong person. The person who used it twice in response to someone using it once could have done so to express allusively, if wrongly, precisely the erroneous criticism of “total destruction” that RC then directed at him.

    * I criticized calling “The Ghost of Kyiv” a meme rather than a hoax, and my (pro-Kiev, and hence reluctant to call a hoax a hoax) interlocutor pointed to a definition that allowed any subject that “goes viral” to be a meme. To which I say that any dictionary that doesn’t indicate that a bastardization of meaning is going on is trash. “Where’s the beef?” was a meme, “The Ghost of Kyiv” was not.

    • Replies: @Gandydancer
    @Gandydancer

    ... I will add that "collocation" is a 5-star word with which I am unfamiliar, but looking at its definition I wonder a bit if it was misapplied or has itself suffered some meaning degradation..

  147. @Gandydancer
    @Kim


    It appears that the English language accepts “total/partial destruction” as standard collocations.
     
    That there are many hits doesn't dispel his claim of illiteracy. There's a lot of stupidity on the internet, never mind in person. Consider "literally". Or, a recent peeve of mine, the attempted destruction of the meaning and usefulness of the word "meme"*. The "English language" may accept this nonsense, but I will not.

    "Partial destruction" is anyway not redundant in the way that "total destruction" is. Differences SHOULD be recognized.

    Someone upthread offered the correct response, namely that redundancy can be correctly used for emphasis.

    And RC seemed to be criticizing the wrong person. The person who used it twice in response to someone using it once could have done so to express allusively, if wrongly, precisely the erroneous criticism of "total destruction" that RC then directed at him.

    * I criticized calling "The Ghost of Kyiv" a meme rather than a hoax, and my (pro-Kiev, and hence reluctant to call a hoax a hoax) interlocutor pointed to a definition that allowed any subject that "goes viral" to be a meme. To which I say that any dictionary that doesn't indicate that a bastardization of meaning is going on is trash. "Where's the beef?" was a meme, "The Ghost of Kyiv" was not.

    Replies: @Gandydancer

    … I will add that “collocation” is a 5-star word with which I am unfamiliar, but looking at its definition I wonder a bit if it was misapplied or has itself suffered some meaning degradation..

  148. #35

    “And for we [sic] whites who have navigated our way into elite status. . .”

    By aping the fashionable grammatical ignorance of the elites, no doubt.

  149. @Kim
    @Wilkey

    Old age is "not a huge problem" in Africa? What could you possibly mean by that?

    Life expectancy of a newborn in Algeria is 77 years. Senegal, 71 years. Egypt, 70 years. Rwanda, 67. Tanzania, 67.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1218173/life-expectancy-in-african-countries/

    Replies: @Gandydancer

    Old age is “not a huge problem” in Africa? What could you possibly mean by that?

    Statistica doesn’t seem to give a source, though I would suppose WHO or something. But it’s anyway a table of (somehow projected) life expectancy, which is not the relevant statistic. The statistic of interest is the current age distribution.

  150. anon[289] • Disclaimer says:

    #127

    “I think the Brazil solution could work. Just by breeding all blacks with whites and Asians for 1 generation you raise the average IQ to maybe 93 from 85.”

    The Brazilians used to refer to this particular “solution” as “Aryanization.” The term has since gone out of style for reasons of historical embarrassment. It never got rid of or even diluted racial consciousness, though. I can’t remember the exact number but even into the 20th century there were upwards of 100 racial “shades of gray,” so to speak, in the Brazilian census.

    “. . . raise the average IQ to maybe 93 from 85.”

    Between the parents, the IQ of the mother is the better predictor of the IQ of the offspring. However, in the USA we see that the combination of the black male with a white female mudshark seems usually to result in an energetically mouthy mulatto with an acute identity crisis. I don’t know if I’d call that a solution.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @anon

    Between the parents, the IQ of the mother is the better predictor of the IQ of the offspring. However, in the USA we see that the combination of the black male with a white female mudshark seems usually to result in an energetically mouthy mulatto with an acute identity crisis. I don’t know if I’d call that a solution.

    There are all kinds of problems with the unspoken plan of Makin' Mulattoes aka Brazil 2.0.

    One is that such a plan doesn't do anything of substance for the full Black population.

    So we have a bunch more mulattoes to run for office and send to the burbs for corporate AA jobs. Well what does that do exactly for poor Blacks? How does that fix Detroit and reverse the debt from all the egalitarian spending?

    It's really as if racial egalitarians are trying to breed lighter Blacks to make themselves feel better.

    More mulattoes for TV shows and political positions but no real plan for Black America. They're just supposed to grin I guess as liberals hold up a 5% Black woman as the model for them.

  151. @SafeNow
    @Achmed E. Newman


    Sally Struthers
     
    Ah, yes. Memories. We still remember. But I must amend the possible implication that the repeat exposure of a weekly tv show, or whatever, is required to create this type of memory that endures. Here is the Bernstein speech from Citizen Kane. Roger Ebert called it the best piece of dialog written in the history of the movies. Many here will disagree with that. But who here can truthfully say it does not resonate? 63-second video:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=16WC_Dyo6Fo

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Truthfully, were you talking Barbara Cooper (Romano) from Indianapolis, I could see my having a Citizen Kane moment. Sally Struthers, no, that was in jest, even for 1970s Gloria. … then there’s Maude….

    … ‘s daughter… right on, Maude!

  152. @Jack D
    @John Johnson

    I think the Brazil solution could work. Just by breeding all blacks with whites and Asians for 1 generation you raise the average IQ to maybe 93 from 85. And that only absorbs 13 percentage points of whites and Asians - you have plenty of 100% whites and Asians left over to run a functional society. Also if everyone is some shade of brown then racial issues go away. Half Asians like Tiger Woods and Naomi Osaka gain athletic skills (and black skin privilege). Mexico doesn't have any black problem because their black population just dissolved into general population without a trace. Leftists would not object to such a plan, though black nationalists might.

    In early America, we were maybe 30% of the way there but then the color line descended and blacks bred only with blacks for a couple of centuries.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    I think the Brazil solution could work. Just by breeding all blacks with whites and Asians for 1 generation you raise the average IQ to maybe 93 from 85.

    Well I think that was the unspoken liberal plan but it isn’t working. Foreign born Hispanics don’t want to breed with Blacks. They are creating their own insular communities.

    I hope I’m wrong but I think the gap is getting worse because of dysgenics.

    There is probably an unfortunate self-selection problem as well.

    The White women that do have kids with Black men aren’t at the top of the heap so you can’t assume an increase based on the White mean. In fact there could be an entirely unseen dysgenic aspect to that phenomenon. I live near an area with a lot of BM/WW couples and the women are horrible. Shrill and loud working class women that will make your skin crawl.

    Mexico doesn’t have any black problem because their black population just dissolved into general population without a trace.

    Yea but they never started with a large post-slavery population.

    In early America, we were maybe 30% of the way there but then the color line descended and blacks bred only with blacks for a couple of centuries.

    Wouldn’t be a problem if welfare didn’t reward Black women for sleeping with thugs. Women of all races will not select for stable middle class men at ages 17-20 unless there is social pressure.

    I doubt it is even reversable at this point. Murray and I reached the same conclusion independently which is that liberals will eventually admit that race is real when designer babies are a viable option. I don’t think it will work because most Whites will be understandably raging pissed off when liberals admit they have been lying since the 60s. Liberals will expect Whites to pay for a few million GMO babies to fix the race problem that they have been saying is caused by racist Whites. I’ve even come across political thread where liberals admit that race is real but will eventually be fixed through genetic engineering. What a horrible ideology. They would march us to some crazy dystopia instead of simply admitting that race is real.

  153. Are the NY Times and the Washington Post in some kind of contest to see which of them can publish the most explicitly racist anti White columns in 2022?

    Bonus points for also including anti-male and anti-hetero. Anti religious added is 2 bonus points…

    Is some special Pulitzer Prize at stake?

    • Replies: @Prester John
    @Muggles

    Nah, it's just the zeitgeist.

    Effed up times we're living in, n'est ce pas?

  154. @Jack D
    @That Would Be Telling

    Nikolas Cruz was adopted at birth. I don't know what his genetic heritage was but he appears white and his adoptive parents were nice upper middle class type people. If I had to guess, Cruz, Sr. was probably of white Cuban heritage - white Cubans assimilate into America the same as other white Europeans. Cruz, Jr. was however troubled from the start - perhaps fetal alcohol syndrome or other genetic issues. He was the classic FLK - as soon as you looked at him you could sense that something was "off".

    The idea that if we got rid of minorities all our problems would be over is stupid. England was once upon a time 100% white and they still had a low IQ underclass, even after 7 centuries of eugenic breeding. Underclasses, middle men, elites, etc. seem to occupy ecological niches in all societies and there are always different groups that fill each available niche. If you get rid of that group, some other group will fill the empty niche.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Jonathan Mason

    The idea that if we got rid of minorities all our problems would be over is stupid. England was once upon a time 100% white and they still had a low IQ underclass, even after 7 centuries of eugenic breeding.

    England once sent their problem Whites to a penal colony and it became Australia. The Haitians haven’t even mastered Roman level sanitation.

    I don’t advocate getting rid of all minorities but liberal race-denial based programs easily run over 100 billion a year.

    We certainly wouldn’t have a deficit if our cowardly conservatives admitted to race existing instead of letting liberals run wild with their government programs.

    This idea that all groups have an equivalent problem minority is intellectually dishonest. Britain never had a city like Oakland or Detroit where it went to total sh-t after an underclass took over. Compton was actually once an upper class White city and Detroit was considered the most European of the American cities. The wealthy French would in fact visit Detroit to do their shopping.

    I would be less skeptical of racial egalitarians if they could point to a Black city that didn’t have problems. They cannot and in fact flip out over such questions. Real convincing.

  155. @anon
    @Jack D #127

    "I think the Brazil solution could work. Just by breeding all blacks with whites and Asians for 1 generation you raise the average IQ to maybe 93 from 85."

    The Brazilians used to refer to this particular "solution" as "Aryanization." The term has since gone out of style for reasons of historical embarrassment. It never got rid of or even diluted racial consciousness, though. I can't remember the exact number but even into the 20th century there were upwards of 100 racial "shades of gray," so to speak, in the Brazilian census.

    ". . . raise the average IQ to maybe 93 from 85."

    Between the parents, the IQ of the mother is the better predictor of the IQ of the offspring. However, in the USA we see that the combination of the black male with a white female mudshark seems usually to result in an energetically mouthy mulatto with an acute identity crisis. I don't know if I'd call that a solution.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Between the parents, the IQ of the mother is the better predictor of the IQ of the offspring. However, in the USA we see that the combination of the black male with a white female mudshark seems usually to result in an energetically mouthy mulatto with an acute identity crisis. I don’t know if I’d call that a solution.

    There are all kinds of problems with the unspoken plan of Makin’ Mulattoes aka Brazil 2.0.

    One is that such a plan doesn’t do anything of substance for the full Black population.

    So we have a bunch more mulattoes to run for office and send to the burbs for corporate AA jobs. Well what does that do exactly for poor Blacks? How does that fix Detroit and reverse the debt from all the egalitarian spending?

    It’s really as if racial egalitarians are trying to breed lighter Blacks to make themselves feel better.

    More mulattoes for TV shows and political positions but no real plan for Black America. They’re just supposed to grin I guess as liberals hold up a 5% Black woman as the model for them.

  156. @nonentity
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    Arabs for hundreds of years spent decades wandering sub saharan Africa armed with firelocks and swords along with tribal allies, enslaving and transporting Blacks to places like Zanzibar, etc. as well as enslaving any Europeans they could get. Read "sufferings in Africa" by James Riley for just one account.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    Depicted in the little known 1977 movie, “Slavers.” (With Britt Ekland.)

  157. @Reg Cæsar
    @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)



    What looks funny in the movie analysis has totally destroyed Zimbabwe, South Africa, Detroit, Malmoe and more.
     
    What has totally destroyed Malmö ? It doesn’t look totally destroyed to me.
     
    Illiterate redundancy aside, over 50,000 malmöiter, or a sixth of the population, were born in or near the Middle East. Add to that their children born in Sweden or other Western countries. Wikipedia says the population is 12% Islamic (likely an undercount), which is in the danger zone.


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malm%C3%B6#Demographics


    Not "destroyed", but a long way thither. Compare to Copenhagen across the sound.

    Replies: @Kim, @Peter Lund

    Not “destroyed”, but a long way thither. Compare to Copenhagen across the sound.

    Copenhagen is not doing too well, either.

  158. @Jus' Sayin'...
    "Wakanda Forever" is just silly, just another variation on the "we wuz kangs" Negro fantasies that seem to be proliferating these days in almost perfect synchrony with rising levels of Negro dysfunction.

    A truly evil movie with origins in the same BLM/SJW/woke fantasy world is "The Woman King". (https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2022/09/18/woke-fail-boycottwomanking-trends-over-slave-trade-whitewashing/).

    This movie portrays the Kingdom of Dahomey's (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahomey) so-called "Amazons" as stylishly dressed defenders of their fellow Africans against the depredations of European slave traders. In fact, the King of Dahomey made his kingdom rich and powerful by enslaving Africans from neighboring tribes and killing/torturing to death any he didn't enslave. The slaves were then either sold at the coast to Europeans in the Atlantic slave trade or frequently sacrificed in Ju Ju religious rituals. The Dahomeyan king entrusted his Amazons with this task. They would raid villages, killing or torturing to death anyone not suitable for slavery, burning the village to the ground, and bringing captured slaves back to the coast.

    The women recruited for this task were those regarded as too ugly to serve the King in any other capacity. They were highly effective against other tribes but were almost wiped out in the few battles they fought against European armies that were protecting client states from Dahomeyan depredations. (https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/dahomeys-women-warriors-88286072/)

    One particularly annoying aspect of this movie is the false depiction of European slave traders treking into the interior to enslave Negros. In fact, European slave traders bought Negros who'd already been enslaved by other Negros at entrepots along the coast. This false depiction of the Atlantic slave trade goes back to Alex Haley's "Roots" and the various TV series and movies based on that book.

    Replies: @Graveldips, @nonentity, @Jim Don Bob

    This false depiction of the Atlantic slave trade goes back to Alex Haley’s “Roots” and the various TV series and movies based on that book.

    I well remember all the white slobbering over Roots 45 years ago. I thought it was a crock even then and my opinion has not changed. I also think To Kill a Mockingbird blows dead dogs.

    I saw a trailer for The Woman King recently and it looked even stupider than Wakanda Forever, which is not exactly printing money at the box office.

    • Agree: AceDeuce
  159. Anonymous[954] • Disclaimer says:

    A little known fact is, as originally written, despite the historic surplus of little black girl scientific geniuses, even the amazing Wakanda had large neglected ghettos that worked to undermine Wakanda’s ability to function as an advanced civilization.

    Here’s one of the outtakes:

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    I did not see obstreperous dwarf coming.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    , @Wilkey
    @Anonymous

    Game of Thrones: Ghetto Edition

  160. @Reg Cæsar
    https://twitter.com/Steve_Sailer/status/1596636410550681601?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Escreen-name%3Asteve_sailer%7Ctwcon%5Es1


    "Gun violence" must be sport, because reporters have to lie about what's staring them in the face. (Follow Frum's thread back, and you'll see he's gone full feminist, too-- Margaret Atwood with a five-o'-clock shadow.)

    "High-income" is his replacement for the go-to euphemisms for white-or-yellow, "industrialized" and "developed". Blood-soaked Russia, Brazil, and South Africa are all industrialized, too, but their paychecks are still modest, so that's the ticket!

    Indonesia has a similar population and climate to Brazil, with about two-thirds the income and much higher density. So the Spice Islanders must be more homicidal, right?

    Brazil's homicide rate is 63 times that of Indonesia.

    Frum shows Switzerland as #2 in "gun violence". Funny, Switzerland's total homicide rate is lower than all but two of Frum's other 14-- Norway and Japan.

    Figures from here:

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/murder-rate-by-country

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Hypnotoad666, @Muggles

    How does David Frum’s “promised land” homeland in theory come out in the chart?

    “Gun violence” there too? Or merely unruly neighbors who need some periodic lead therapy?

  161. @Colin Wright
    'I liked Black Panther...'

    If so, you should keep quiet about it. If this were 1943, would you talk about how you have a soft spot for Tojo?

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    I liked Black Panther too.

    Okay, it was all nonsense but it was reasonably entertaining with some good acting.

    For most people enjoying a movie is just a temporary diversion, not a political statement.

    Most movies these days are utterly terrible, so finding a movie that is even mildly entertaining is a pleasure.

    The trouble is that the movie industry has gone over ripe now.

    The first sound movie was made only about 20 years before I was born, and then there were other technological advances like color movies and widescreens, so all the great stories from literature could be made into movies several times.

    But there aren’t many great stories or musicals being written now and movies have just become merchandise to be marketed and are mostly measured by metrics like what percentage of the movie constitutes fighting and explosions.

    • Disagree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Jonathan Mason

    I liked Black Panther too.

    Okay, it was all nonsense but it was reasonably entertaining with some good acting.

    For most people enjoying a movie is just a temporary diversion, not a political statement.


    I don't think I could get over the premise but maybe I will give it a try.

    I usually only like comic book movies that don't take themselves seriously like Guardians of the Galaxy.

    The Batman trilogy was good but practically every other comic book movie I had to stop after like 10 minutes. I watched the middle 15 minutes of iron man and it looked like the worst movie ever made.

  162. @Jack D
    @That Would Be Telling

    Nikolas Cruz was adopted at birth. I don't know what his genetic heritage was but he appears white and his adoptive parents were nice upper middle class type people. If I had to guess, Cruz, Sr. was probably of white Cuban heritage - white Cubans assimilate into America the same as other white Europeans. Cruz, Jr. was however troubled from the start - perhaps fetal alcohol syndrome or other genetic issues. He was the classic FLK - as soon as you looked at him you could sense that something was "off".

    The idea that if we got rid of minorities all our problems would be over is stupid. England was once upon a time 100% white and they still had a low IQ underclass, even after 7 centuries of eugenic breeding. Underclasses, middle men, elites, etc. seem to occupy ecological niches in all societies and there are always different groups that fill each available niche. If you get rid of that group, some other group will fill the empty niche.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Jonathan Mason

    The idea that if we got rid of minorities all our problems would be over is stupid. England was once upon a time 100% white and they still had a low IQ underclass, even after 7 centuries of eugenic breeding

    Correct. I was amazed to discover relatively recently from a popular book about criminology that approximately 30% of British males born in 1953 had convictions for the equivalent of a felony in the US. They will nearly all have been white.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Jonathan Mason


    Correct. I was amazed to discover relatively recently from a popular book about criminology that approximately 30% of British males born in 1953 had convictions for the equivalent of a felony in the US. They will nearly all have been white.
     
    Interesting! Sounds like you have all the stats!

    How many of the convicted felons were Jews?

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @kaganovitch

  163. @kaganovitch
    @Bardon Kaldlan

    In Wakanda…who grows the food? Who cleans the buildings? Who unclogs the toilets?😮


    Toilets?

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

    As a one-word punch line, that one ranks right up there with “Burgers?”

    Yasher koach.

    • Thanks: kaganovitch
  164. Anonymous[954] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Mason
    @Jack D


    The idea that if we got rid of minorities all our problems would be over is stupid. England was once upon a time 100% white and they still had a low IQ underclass, even after 7 centuries of eugenic breeding
     
    Correct. I was amazed to discover relatively recently from a popular book about criminology that approximately 30% of British males born in 1953 had convictions for the equivalent of a felony in the US. They will nearly all have been white.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Correct. I was amazed to discover relatively recently from a popular book about criminology that approximately 30% of British males born in 1953 had convictions for the equivalent of a felony in the US. They will nearly all have been white.

    Interesting! Sounds like you have all the stats!

    How many of the convicted felons were Jews?

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Anonymous


    How many of the convicted felons were Jews?
     
    I don't know, but they had them all circumcised as a precaution.
    , @kaganovitch
    @Anonymous

    How many of the convicted felons were Jews?

    As there were approx. 400,000 Jews in Britain of a population of 50 million in 1953, Jews couldn't have accounted for more than a small fraction of the 804,269 British births in 1953. Of this cohort, an astonishing quarter million went on to have at least one criminal conviction.

    Replies: @Jack D

  165. “It leads us to imagine a world in which Black girls are technological geniuses…”.

    “Imagine” being the operative word of course.

  166. @Muggles
    Are the NY Times and the Washington Post in some kind of contest to see which of them can publish the most explicitly racist anti White columns in 2022?

    Bonus points for also including anti-male and anti-hetero. Anti religious added is 2 bonus points...

    Is some special Pulitzer Prize at stake?

    Replies: @Prester John

    Nah, it’s just the zeitgeist.

    Effed up times we’re living in, n’est ce pas?

  167. @Anonymous
    A little known fact is, as originally written, despite the historic surplus of little black girl scientific geniuses, even the amazing Wakanda had large neglected ghettos that worked to undermine Wakanda's ability to function as an advanced civilization.

    Here’s one of the outtakes:

    https://youtu.be/IfuKL8s5jLI

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Wilkey

    I did not see obstreperous dwarf coming.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Steve Sailer


    I did not see obstreperous dwarf coming.
     
    They say “punching down” is wrong, but what if he comin’ atchu widda club?!
  168. @Bardon Kaldian

    It leads us to imagine a world in which Black girls are technological geniuses and the weapons that White men use are, in Gen. Okoye’s words, “so primitive.”
     
    This is so stupid it even isn't funny.

    Replies: @Michigan Patriot

    100 % correct !

  169. ‘…… It’s refreshing to see, even fictionally, an African nation strong enough to deny the West its resources and its technology — a complete reversal of today’s world order…”

    I suppose it’s true.

    We certainly don’t deny Africa our resources and technology, so the proposal would be a reversal.

    …and I’m for it. Obviously, we can’t control what Africa decides to do; but we can declare an embargo on sending them our communication technology, medicine, food, etc forthwith.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Colin Wright

    We certainly don’t deny Africa our resources and technology, so the proposal would be a reversal.

    We don't deny them our technology and in fact their drugs are subsidized by US taxpayers.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

  170. @Anonymous
    @Jonathan Mason


    Correct. I was amazed to discover relatively recently from a popular book about criminology that approximately 30% of British males born in 1953 had convictions for the equivalent of a felony in the US. They will nearly all have been white.
     
    Interesting! Sounds like you have all the stats!

    How many of the convicted felons were Jews?

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @kaganovitch

    How many of the convicted felons were Jews?

    I don’t know, but they had them all circumcised as a precaution.

  171. Is it just me, or does my experience that, in general, the smarter the woman, the more likely she is neurotic hold true for other men?

  172. @Observator
    It’s kind of pathetic, really, that some black folk have gotten so enchanted with a fictional place where people of their kind have shown European style talent and initiative that has not yet been seen in the real world. The current odd obsession with the glory of “blackness” seems like a teenage rebellion phase, a needful separation from mom and dad (aka the White Devil) in the quest for adulthood and independence. The barriers to black progress are mostly gone now: it’s time to put up or shut up, but plenty of people fear they won’t be able to make it on their own, just as all kids have moments of doubt as they struggle to fit into the larger world. And of course, the not inconsiderable black criminal class and the con artist element are taking full advantage of the turmoil to indulge in their evil hobbies. This will play out as it must. Look how the Irish and Italians and all the rest “became white” in time too. Some even think the purely WASP idea of “white supremacy” was meant to include them too! People of good will eventually will prevail. This is pretty much how history works.

    Replies: @Jack D

    The Irish and the Italians didn’t have a 15 IQ point intelligence deficit. Blacks have been here for 400 years and this gap shows no sign of disappearing.

  173. @Anonymous
    A little known fact is, as originally written, despite the historic surplus of little black girl scientific geniuses, even the amazing Wakanda had large neglected ghettos that worked to undermine Wakanda's ability to function as an advanced civilization.

    Here’s one of the outtakes:

    https://youtu.be/IfuKL8s5jLI

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Wilkey

    Game of Thrones: Ghetto Edition

    • LOL: Jim Don Bob
  174. A certain fast food chain has “Wakanda Forever” tie-ins.

    Ask this former franchisee how dedicated to racial empowerment the chain was.

    https://www.cleveland.com/business/2021/12/mcdonalds-pays-335-million-to-end-racial-discrimination-lawsuit-filed-by-black-owner-herb-washington.html

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @njguy73

    Blacks always think that they are being discriminated against so I wouldn't draw any conclusions from the suit. In the end, McDonald's bought him out of his restaurants for what they say is their fair market value so this doesn't strike me as a vindication of his views - they just paid the squeaky wheel what his restaurants were worth and told him to go away.

    McDonalds has hundreds of black franchisees - owning a McDonalds has been a great path to wealth for a lot of black entrepreneurs. Most blacks don't have the full set of skills needed to run a restaurant business which is 1st and foremost a business and not just a matter of cooking skills. McDonalds provides you with a lot of handholding and guidance - they tell you exactly how to do EVERYTHING - where you should buy your napkins, how many pickle slices you should put on each hamburger, etc., but in exchange they don't want you to do a lot of thinking on your own. White owners often chafe at these kind of restrictions but blacks are more OK with it. Blacks can also do very well in the military for the same reason.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  175. Creed f’ing sucks. I’m a Rocky fan, but watching Creed made me cringe. Shitty acting, shitty plot line, and you’re forced to root for someone you hate in real life: Michael B Jordan. It would have honestly been better watching Adrian learn MMA and battle Clubber Lang’s brood of crack-whore baby mamas.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Rooster16

    LOL

    "Yo Rocky! I did it!"

  176. @Rooster16
    Creed f’ing sucks. I’m a Rocky fan, but watching Creed made me cringe. Shitty acting, shitty plot line, and you’re forced to root for someone you hate in real life: Michael B Jordan. It would have honestly been better watching Adrian learn MMA and battle Clubber Lang’s brood of crack-whore baby mamas.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    LOL

    “Yo Rocky! I did it!”

  177. @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr.
    @Achmed E. Newman

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wjKQQpPVifY

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Thanks, Herb. I’d never seen this.

  178. @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    I did not see obstreperous dwarf coming.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I did not see obstreperous dwarf coming.

    They say “punching down” is wrong, but what if he comin’ atchu widda club?!

  179. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "I admire Ryan Coogler for having previously revived the Rocky franchise with his boxing movie Creed."

    Exactly why is that? Rocky is a timeless classic and didn't need to be ripped off, plagiarized, dumbed down etc. The first Creed was a complete 100% rip off of Rocky (1976), almost scene for scene. Only the names and colors had changed. Rocky wasn't broken, thus there wasn't any great need to fix it, except of course to give blacks the "hope" that they can have "their" safe spaces, and "their" heroes on celluloid.

    Anyone in Hollywood can rewrite/plagiarize/steal/ripoff a classic film, that doesn't take any special creative genius. It's actually a sign of a hack, and a half-assed one at that.

    Say what one will of Ford, Hitchcock, Welles, Wilder, DeMille, Hawks, etc. but at least they chose original material and didn't rip off already established films.

    Sorry, Steve. Can't quite put Coogler in the same sentence as creative auteurs Ford, Welles, Hitchcock, Hawks, etc.

    As far as Afrocentric entertainment goes, at least Black Panther is a unique concept--a land all their own, by them and for them.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Brás Cubas

    Say what one will of Ford, Hitchcock, Welles, Wilder, DeMille, Hawks, etc. but at least they chose original material and didn’t rip off already established films.

    Ford’s The Lost Patrol was a remake. Ford directed Judge Priest and its approximate remake The Sun Shines Bright.
    Hitchcock made The Man Who Knew Too Much twice (same title on both versions).
    Wilder directed the remake of The Front Page.
    DeMille made The Ten Commandments twice.
    Hawks directed Rio Bravo, and apparently liked it so much that he made two approximate remakes, El Dorado and Rio Lobo.
    Welles reworked many concepts from Citizen Kane in Mr. Arkadin.

  180. @Jack D
    @Reg Cæsar

    I was recently on a Frontier flight and their new practice (at least I think it's new) is to move the sizing cage to the boarding gate and make every single passenger put every single bag into the cage to demonstrate to the gate agent that it is not larger than the permitted size. So no more sneaking oversized bags on board like in the video. Of course this slows down the boarding process, but Frontier's revenue model is more important.

    The old way was kind of like the American system of speed enforcement - everyone goes faster than the posted speed limit but only a few people get caught. Americans kind of like this system as it is, or at least tolerate it. Frontier's new policy is more like speed cams, where 100% of speeders get tickets. People hate speed cams.

    Replies: @Nico

    If they’re going to do that, there is no longer an excuse for not charging a variable ticket price partly as a function of the total weight of the load: passenger’s plus all his luggage. It would be a much fairer system and would get the fatties’ attention much better than “education” or inedible school lunches.

  181. For several years I’ve been thinking about doing a screenplay wherein a charismatic African dictator in the Sahara region recruits a bunch of brilliant but troublesome scientists a la Gerald Bull to soft-land a nickel iron bolide like Psyche-16 into the desert and in doing so corner the global market on virtually all metals be they precious, mundane, or just exotic. With all sides distrustful of each other and the whole operation kept as secret as possible since even beside the economics of it (just the Fe in Psyche is estimated to be worth 40 Quadrillion dollars, and most precious metals are sideriphillic…) obviously the first world would not countenance the risk of an extinction level impact due to miscalculation, or in a lesser case, deliberately soft landing it on the capital of your asshole neighbors.

    Kind of like cool runnings meets Armageddon. Call me Paramount!

  182. @Colin Wright
    '...… It’s refreshing to see, even fictionally, an African nation strong enough to deny the West its resources and its technology — a complete reversal of today’s world order..."

    I suppose it's true.

    We certainly don't deny Africa our resources and technology, so the proposal would be a reversal.

    ...and I'm for it. Obviously, we can't control what Africa decides to do; but we can declare an embargo on sending them our communication technology, medicine, food, etc forthwith.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    We certainly don’t deny Africa our resources and technology, so the proposal would be a reversal.

    We don’t deny them our technology and in fact their drugs are subsidized by US taxpayers.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @John Johnson

    That's what I just said.

  183. @Jonathan Mason
    @Colin Wright

    I liked Black Panther too.

    Okay, it was all nonsense but it was reasonably entertaining with some good acting.

    For most people enjoying a movie is just a temporary diversion, not a political statement.

    Most movies these days are utterly terrible, so finding a movie that is even mildly entertaining is a pleasure.

    The trouble is that the movie industry has gone over ripe now.

    The first sound movie was made only about 20 years before I was born, and then there were other technological advances like color movies and widescreens, so all the great stories from literature could be made into movies several times.

    But there aren't many great stories or musicals being written now and movies have just become merchandise to be marketed and are mostly measured by metrics like what percentage of the movie constitutes fighting and explosions.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    I liked Black Panther too.

    Okay, it was all nonsense but it was reasonably entertaining with some good acting.

    For most people enjoying a movie is just a temporary diversion, not a political statement.

    I don’t think I could get over the premise but maybe I will give it a try.

    I usually only like comic book movies that don’t take themselves seriously like Guardians of the Galaxy.

    The Batman trilogy was good but practically every other comic book movie I had to stop after like 10 minutes. I watched the middle 15 minutes of iron man and it looked like the worst movie ever made.

  184. @njguy73
    A certain fast food chain has "Wakanda Forever" tie-ins.

    Ask this former franchisee how dedicated to racial empowerment the chain was.


    https://www.cleveland.com/business/2021/12/mcdonalds-pays-335-million-to-end-racial-discrimination-lawsuit-filed-by-black-owner-herb-washington.html

    Replies: @Jack D

    Blacks always think that they are being discriminated against so I wouldn’t draw any conclusions from the suit. In the end, McDonald’s bought him out of his restaurants for what they say is their fair market value so this doesn’t strike me as a vindication of his views – they just paid the squeaky wheel what his restaurants were worth and told him to go away.

    McDonalds has hundreds of black franchisees – owning a McDonalds has been a great path to wealth for a lot of black entrepreneurs. Most blacks don’t have the full set of skills needed to run a restaurant business which is 1st and foremost a business and not just a matter of cooking skills. McDonalds provides you with a lot of handholding and guidance – they tell you exactly how to do EVERYTHING – where you should buy your napkins, how many pickle slices you should put on each hamburger, etc., but in exchange they don’t want you to do a lot of thinking on your own. White owners often chafe at these kind of restrictions but blacks are more OK with it. Blacks can also do very well in the military for the same reason.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Jack D

    McDonalds provides you with a lot of handholding and guidance – they tell you exactly how to do EVERYTHING

    Yes and yet Whites still avoid McDonalds in Black areas. They are too messy and Whites don't trust the food based on the floors. I don't make any assumptions about the workers since the patrons are more likely than Whites and Asians to leave a mess. The McModel is probably based on White customers.

    Popeyes seems to work well in Black areas. They seem to have a model that works. I stopped at one entirely ran by Blacks and they had a long line of White people out the door. Floor was spotless. The chicken sandwich is actually pretty damn good.

    Replies: @Jack D

  185. @Jack D
    @njguy73

    Blacks always think that they are being discriminated against so I wouldn't draw any conclusions from the suit. In the end, McDonald's bought him out of his restaurants for what they say is their fair market value so this doesn't strike me as a vindication of his views - they just paid the squeaky wheel what his restaurants were worth and told him to go away.

    McDonalds has hundreds of black franchisees - owning a McDonalds has been a great path to wealth for a lot of black entrepreneurs. Most blacks don't have the full set of skills needed to run a restaurant business which is 1st and foremost a business and not just a matter of cooking skills. McDonalds provides you with a lot of handholding and guidance - they tell you exactly how to do EVERYTHING - where you should buy your napkins, how many pickle slices you should put on each hamburger, etc., but in exchange they don't want you to do a lot of thinking on your own. White owners often chafe at these kind of restrictions but blacks are more OK with it. Blacks can also do very well in the military for the same reason.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    McDonalds provides you with a lot of handholding and guidance – they tell you exactly how to do EVERYTHING

    Yes and yet Whites still avoid McDonalds in Black areas. They are too messy and Whites don’t trust the food based on the floors. I don’t make any assumptions about the workers since the patrons are more likely than Whites and Asians to leave a mess. The McModel is probably based on White customers.

    Popeyes seems to work well in Black areas. They seem to have a model that works. I stopped at one entirely ran by Blacks and they had a long line of White people out the door. Floor was spotless. The chicken sandwich is actually pretty damn good.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @John Johnson

    One of the allegations in the lawsuit was that McDonalds gave the plaintiff franchises in the ghetto, so that his McDonalds grossed less than McD's in the nearby white suburbs. McD's countered that this was due to poor management. It wouldn't surprise me, but owning any sort of business or restaurant in the ghetto cannot be a piece of cake. The Chinese who do it usually sit behind bulletproof glass.

    BTW, in Philly ghetto Ebonics these sorts of Chinese takeout only restaurants are known as "Chinese stores".

  186. I pity the Negress who dreams
    Solipsistic vibranium schemes
    And awakes to the cries
    Of Ty’Qwaan as he dies,
    Shot by Blacks non-Wakandan, it seems.

  187. @International Jew
    You didn't tell us what Shuri and Riri invented. Did it have to do with hair?

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @Truth

    • Replies: @GeologyAnonMk6
    @Truth

    Ireland's MPs might be the straw that breaks the back of the gruesome Israeli occupation. Eire is in desperate need of another Michael Collins but should one appear, this whole house of cards will fall. The Palestinians were only beaten out by Bostonians in terms of material support for Sein Fein and the IRA.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @International Jew
    @Truth

    Just as reliable, I'm sure, as Worldstar.

    Replies: @Truth

  188. #172

    “The Irish and the Italians didn’t have a 15 IQ point intelligence deficit. Blacks have been here for 400 years and this gap shows no sign of disappearing. ”

    The Blacks aren’t getting any smarter but the Whites are getting dumber. The gap may close after all.

  189. #63

    “In Wakanda…who grows the food? Who cleans the buildings? Who unclogs the toilets?”

    The Morlocs.

  190. @John Johnson
    @Jack D

    McDonalds provides you with a lot of handholding and guidance – they tell you exactly how to do EVERYTHING

    Yes and yet Whites still avoid McDonalds in Black areas. They are too messy and Whites don't trust the food based on the floors. I don't make any assumptions about the workers since the patrons are more likely than Whites and Asians to leave a mess. The McModel is probably based on White customers.

    Popeyes seems to work well in Black areas. They seem to have a model that works. I stopped at one entirely ran by Blacks and they had a long line of White people out the door. Floor was spotless. The chicken sandwich is actually pretty damn good.

    Replies: @Jack D

    One of the allegations in the lawsuit was that McDonalds gave the plaintiff franchises in the ghetto, so that his McDonalds grossed less than McD’s in the nearby white suburbs. McD’s countered that this was due to poor management. It wouldn’t surprise me, but owning any sort of business or restaurant in the ghetto cannot be a piece of cake. The Chinese who do it usually sit behind bulletproof glass.

    BTW, in Philly ghetto Ebonics these sorts of Chinese takeout only restaurants are known as “Chinese stores”.

  191. @Truth
    @International Jew

    I.J. Your peeps have... interesting... laws.

    I have read elsewhere that this is totally legal:

    https://worldstar.com/videos/wshh9wmzg8EDAd972sUV/cold-while-a-palestinian-families-were-attending-a-funeral-group-of-israeli039s-straight-up-jacks-their-houses

    Replies: @GeologyAnonMk6, @International Jew

    Ireland’s MPs might be the straw that breaks the back of the gruesome Israeli occupation. Eire is in desperate need of another Michael Collins but should one appear, this whole house of cards will fall. The Palestinians were only beaten out by Bostonians in terms of material support for Sein Fein and the IRA.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @GeologyAnonMk6

    The Israeli settlers in Hebron are pretty extreme folks who are not representative of the average Israeli. I wouldn't want Americans in general to be judged by the behavior of Branch Davidians either.

    That being said, the history is that Hebron (almost uniquely among Israeli cities) had a more or less continuous Jewish population from antiquity until modern times until a series of Arab massacres in the late 1920s and 1930s chased the Jewish survivors from the city. (These deaths were not entirely in vain in that they woke up the remaining Jewish population in Palestine to the danger that they faced from their (up until then peaceful) Arab neighbors and led to the organization of the Haganah self defense forces which later formed the core of the future Israeli Army and prevented a defeat in the Israeli War of Independence.)

    I assume that the particular building in question was probably a Jewish owned property prior to the massacres that the settlers feel that they are rightfully recovering for the Jewish people. So it is not so clear cut as to who is the squatter and who is the squattee.

    As we have learned from the George Floyd video (and many other videos), operating by emotional reaction to videos is often not the best way to judge a situation because things are often more complicated than they appear at first glance.

    Replies: @GeologyAnonMk6, @Truth

  192. @Anonymous
    @Jonathan Mason


    Correct. I was amazed to discover relatively recently from a popular book about criminology that approximately 30% of British males born in 1953 had convictions for the equivalent of a felony in the US. They will nearly all have been white.
     
    Interesting! Sounds like you have all the stats!

    How many of the convicted felons were Jews?

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @kaganovitch

    How many of the convicted felons were Jews?

    As there were approx. 400,000 Jews in Britain of a population of 50 million in 1953, Jews couldn’t have accounted for more than a small fraction of the 804,269 British births in 1953. Of this cohort, an astonishing quarter million went on to have at least one criminal conviction.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @kaganovitch

    Doing the math, if everything was proportional there would have been around 6,400 Jews in that age cohort and around 2,000 would have had felony convictions, meaning that the remaining 248,000 felons would have been not Jewish. If 100% of the Jews were felons, that would still only account for 6k felons leaving 244,000 non-Jewish felons.

    But this sort of begs the question of whether Jews appear in the UK felon population in a proportion that is greater or less than other groups? My guess would be a smaller proportion, especially among violent felons, but the sums of money involved per Jewish felon would tend to be greater. One Sam Bankman-Fried can steal as much as 1,000 guys breaking into parking meters for quarters.

  193. @Truth
    @International Jew

    I.J. Your peeps have... interesting... laws.

    I have read elsewhere that this is totally legal:

    https://worldstar.com/videos/wshh9wmzg8EDAd972sUV/cold-while-a-palestinian-families-were-attending-a-funeral-group-of-israeli039s-straight-up-jacks-their-houses

    Replies: @GeologyAnonMk6, @International Jew

    Just as reliable, I’m sure, as Worldstar.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @International Jew

    You're right, don't trust Worldstar...

    TRUST YOUR FUGGINN EYEZZ, FOOL!

  194. @Kim
    @TGGP


    Back in 2000 the Onion could mock the movie cliche by having a scrappy band of misfit campers contain:
     
    When I was a boy (((Mad Magazine))) used to do (very unfunny) rips on current movies.

    If it still exists, it might do one on this movie. "Bleecchanda Forever", I suppose they would call it. If they dared.

    Replies: @Nachum, @PiltdownMan

    I recall a couple of good ones from the 1960s though, and they held up when I looked at them again as an adult. Their parody of Lawrence of Arabia, and another of the now mostly forgottten movie, The Sand Pebbles.

    Mad magazine was overtly very New York Jewish in much of its humor, but not all of it. Spy vs. Spy was excellent, and Antonio Prohias was Cuban, if I recall correctly.

  195. @kaganovitch
    @Anonymous

    How many of the convicted felons were Jews?

    As there were approx. 400,000 Jews in Britain of a population of 50 million in 1953, Jews couldn't have accounted for more than a small fraction of the 804,269 British births in 1953. Of this cohort, an astonishing quarter million went on to have at least one criminal conviction.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Doing the math, if everything was proportional there would have been around 6,400 Jews in that age cohort and around 2,000 would have had felony convictions, meaning that the remaining 248,000 felons would have been not Jewish. If 100% of the Jews were felons, that would still only account for 6k felons leaving 244,000 non-Jewish felons.

    But this sort of begs the question of whether Jews appear in the UK felon population in a proportion that is greater or less than other groups? My guess would be a smaller proportion, especially among violent felons, but the sums of money involved per Jewish felon would tend to be greater. One Sam Bankman-Fried can steal as much as 1,000 guys breaking into parking meters for quarters.

  196. @International Jew
    @Truth

    Just as reliable, I'm sure, as Worldstar.

    Replies: @Truth

    You’re right, don’t trust Worldstar…

    TRUST YOUR FUGGINN EYEZZ, FOOL!

  197. @GeologyAnonMk6
    @Truth

    Ireland's MPs might be the straw that breaks the back of the gruesome Israeli occupation. Eire is in desperate need of another Michael Collins but should one appear, this whole house of cards will fall. The Palestinians were only beaten out by Bostonians in terms of material support for Sein Fein and the IRA.

    Replies: @Jack D

    The Israeli settlers in Hebron are pretty extreme folks who are not representative of the average Israeli. I wouldn’t want Americans in general to be judged by the behavior of Branch Davidians either.

    That being said, the history is that Hebron (almost uniquely among Israeli cities) had a more or less continuous Jewish population from antiquity until modern times until a series of Arab massacres in the late 1920s and 1930s chased the Jewish survivors from the city. (These deaths were not entirely in vain in that they woke up the remaining Jewish population in Palestine to the danger that they faced from their (up until then peaceful) Arab neighbors and led to the organization of the Haganah self defense forces which later formed the core of the future Israeli Army and prevented a defeat in the Israeli War of Independence.)

    I assume that the particular building in question was probably a Jewish owned property prior to the massacres that the settlers feel that they are rightfully recovering for the Jewish people. So it is not so clear cut as to who is the squatter and who is the squattee.

    As we have learned from the George Floyd video (and many other videos), operating by emotional reaction to videos is often not the best way to judge a situation because things are often more complicated than they appear at first glance.

    • Replies: @GeologyAnonMk6
    @Jack D

    What cities were spared by Legio X? I was under the impression Vespasian et al put more or less every Jew in Syria Palaestinea to the sword and the current Jewish population globally were all descendants of the Jews who were out in other areas of the empire when the Gladius came down. I've not researched it at all, that's just what I remember being taught in Catholic School, and my interest was mostly in Vespasian as he was a pretty unlikely guy and quite interesting. But I believe he ascended to Imperator before the full desolation was carried out, I think he left right after the zealots @ Masada chose suicide over attempting to break out of the Roman investment.

    He was portrayed pretty sympathetically by the Irish Catholic priests who taught at the high school. There is, as you may know, an old sentiment in traditional Catholicism that Legio X were acting as divine retribution for the pharisee's murder of Christ, and vindicators of Christ's prophesy of the destruction of Jerusalem made shortly before his torture and execution. Christ's views on the Romans always seemed highly positive to me, in comparison to his rather dim view of Herods regime. Odd since Herod was only Satrap King because of the Roman's, although perhaps Christ was aware that was one of the last acts of the Senate before Imperial power became absolute. In any event, supporting Israel's ongoing effort to ethnically cleanse the Palestinian people and absorb Lebanon and much of Syria in the bargain is not of benefit to the USA in any way, either morally or functionally.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Johann Ricke

    , @Truth
    @Jack D


    As we have learned from the George Floyd video (and many other videos), operating by emotional reaction to videos is often not the best way to judge a situation because things are often more complicated than they appear at first glance.

     

    I'm happy you feel that way, Old Sport...


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbxTqyW8yI0
  198. @Jack D
    @GeologyAnonMk6

    The Israeli settlers in Hebron are pretty extreme folks who are not representative of the average Israeli. I wouldn't want Americans in general to be judged by the behavior of Branch Davidians either.

    That being said, the history is that Hebron (almost uniquely among Israeli cities) had a more or less continuous Jewish population from antiquity until modern times until a series of Arab massacres in the late 1920s and 1930s chased the Jewish survivors from the city. (These deaths were not entirely in vain in that they woke up the remaining Jewish population in Palestine to the danger that they faced from their (up until then peaceful) Arab neighbors and led to the organization of the Haganah self defense forces which later formed the core of the future Israeli Army and prevented a defeat in the Israeli War of Independence.)

    I assume that the particular building in question was probably a Jewish owned property prior to the massacres that the settlers feel that they are rightfully recovering for the Jewish people. So it is not so clear cut as to who is the squatter and who is the squattee.

    As we have learned from the George Floyd video (and many other videos), operating by emotional reaction to videos is often not the best way to judge a situation because things are often more complicated than they appear at first glance.

    Replies: @GeologyAnonMk6, @Truth

    What cities were spared by Legio X? I was under the impression Vespasian et al put more or less every Jew in Syria Palaestinea to the sword and the current Jewish population globally were all descendants of the Jews who were out in other areas of the empire when the Gladius came down. I’ve not researched it at all, that’s just what I remember being taught in Catholic School, and my interest was mostly in Vespasian as he was a pretty unlikely guy and quite interesting. But I believe he ascended to Imperator before the full desolation was carried out, I think he left right after the zealots @ Masada chose suicide over attempting to break out of the Roman investment.

    He was portrayed pretty sympathetically by the Irish Catholic priests who taught at the high school. There is, as you may know, an old sentiment in traditional Catholicism that Legio X were acting as divine retribution for the pharisee’s murder of Christ, and vindicators of Christ’s prophesy of the destruction of Jerusalem made shortly before his torture and execution. Christ’s views on the Romans always seemed highly positive to me, in comparison to his rather dim view of Herods regime. Odd since Herod was only Satrap King because of the Roman’s, although perhaps Christ was aware that was one of the last acts of the Senate before Imperial power became absolute. In any event, supporting Israel’s ongoing effort to ethnically cleanse the Palestinian people and absorb Lebanon and much of Syria in the bargain is not of benefit to the USA in any way, either morally or functionally.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @GeologyAnonMk6

    The ethnic cleansing of Judea by the Romans was far less than 100% complete. This is what the Israelis say:

    When the Romans occupied the land of Israel in 63 BCE the population of the land was approximately three million people (out of an estimated world population of 250-300 million), most of them Jewish. By 135 CE, after the quelling of the Bar Kokhba revolt by the Romans, there were only about 700,000 Jews left in the country.

    https://embassies.gov.il/MFA/AboutIsrael/Maps/Pages/Jews-in-the-Land-of-Israel-73-636.aspx

    https://embassies.gov.il/MFA/AboutIsrael/Maps/Maps/Jews-in-Israel-73-636.jpg

    So they only managed to kill/expel 75% of the population, not 100%. I can believe this.

    In any case, Vespasian put down the revolt around 70 CE and there was a 2nd Jewish revolt in 135 CE so it wasn't completed by Vespasian for sure.

    What the good Father's taught you about divine retribution against the Pharisees (divine retribution doesn't sound very Jesus-like to me) probably had more to do with their own prejudices than with the (cough) God's honest truth.

    In any case, the Jewish community in Hebron had existed for many centuries prior to the Arab pogroms of 1920s/30s. I can't say with certainty that it was continuous.

    , @Johann Ricke
    @GeologyAnonMk6


    I was under the impression Vespasian et al put more or less every Jew in Syria Palaestinea to the sword
     
    I'm always skeptical of these accounts. A big part of conquest was to use, as a resource, the populations gathered to the empire. You needed peasants to tax, and draftees for your army. Can't tax or shanghai a pile of corpses.
  199. @Jack D
    @GeologyAnonMk6

    The Israeli settlers in Hebron are pretty extreme folks who are not representative of the average Israeli. I wouldn't want Americans in general to be judged by the behavior of Branch Davidians either.

    That being said, the history is that Hebron (almost uniquely among Israeli cities) had a more or less continuous Jewish population from antiquity until modern times until a series of Arab massacres in the late 1920s and 1930s chased the Jewish survivors from the city. (These deaths were not entirely in vain in that they woke up the remaining Jewish population in Palestine to the danger that they faced from their (up until then peaceful) Arab neighbors and led to the organization of the Haganah self defense forces which later formed the core of the future Israeli Army and prevented a defeat in the Israeli War of Independence.)

    I assume that the particular building in question was probably a Jewish owned property prior to the massacres that the settlers feel that they are rightfully recovering for the Jewish people. So it is not so clear cut as to who is the squatter and who is the squattee.

    As we have learned from the George Floyd video (and many other videos), operating by emotional reaction to videos is often not the best way to judge a situation because things are often more complicated than they appear at first glance.

    Replies: @GeologyAnonMk6, @Truth

    As we have learned from the George Floyd video (and many other videos), operating by emotional reaction to videos is often not the best way to judge a situation because things are often more complicated than they appear at first glance.

    I’m happy you feel that way, Old Sport…

  200. @anonymous
    Real life Wakanda is the majority black, very rich Cayman Islands, although PM since last year is white.

    Replies: @Ian Smith, @Robert Ritter.

    It’s propped up by the UK, which is similar to how Puerto Rico, which is a dump, is still the most prosperous island in the Caribbean because it is being propped up by the US. It doesn’t speak for the inhabitants, it speaks for it’s handlers giving them “free stuff” to artificially boost their standard of living.

  201. Didn’t Black Girls put a man on the Moon, back in the sixties?

  202. @GeologyAnonMk6
    @Jack D

    What cities were spared by Legio X? I was under the impression Vespasian et al put more or less every Jew in Syria Palaestinea to the sword and the current Jewish population globally were all descendants of the Jews who were out in other areas of the empire when the Gladius came down. I've not researched it at all, that's just what I remember being taught in Catholic School, and my interest was mostly in Vespasian as he was a pretty unlikely guy and quite interesting. But I believe he ascended to Imperator before the full desolation was carried out, I think he left right after the zealots @ Masada chose suicide over attempting to break out of the Roman investment.

    He was portrayed pretty sympathetically by the Irish Catholic priests who taught at the high school. There is, as you may know, an old sentiment in traditional Catholicism that Legio X were acting as divine retribution for the pharisee's murder of Christ, and vindicators of Christ's prophesy of the destruction of Jerusalem made shortly before his torture and execution. Christ's views on the Romans always seemed highly positive to me, in comparison to his rather dim view of Herods regime. Odd since Herod was only Satrap King because of the Roman's, although perhaps Christ was aware that was one of the last acts of the Senate before Imperial power became absolute. In any event, supporting Israel's ongoing effort to ethnically cleanse the Palestinian people and absorb Lebanon and much of Syria in the bargain is not of benefit to the USA in any way, either morally or functionally.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Johann Ricke

    The ethnic cleansing of Judea by the Romans was far less than 100% complete. This is what the Israelis say:

    When the Romans occupied the land of Israel in 63 BCE the population of the land was approximately three million people (out of an estimated world population of 250-300 million), most of them Jewish. By 135 CE, after the quelling of the Bar Kokhba revolt by the Romans, there were only about 700,000 Jews left in the country.

    https://embassies.gov.il/MFA/AboutIsrael/Maps/Pages/Jews-in-the-Land-of-Israel-73-636.aspx

    So they only managed to kill/expel 75% of the population, not 100%. I can believe this.

    In any case, Vespasian put down the revolt around 70 CE and there was a 2nd Jewish revolt in 135 CE so it wasn’t completed by Vespasian for sure.

    What the good Father’s taught you about divine retribution against the Pharisees (divine retribution doesn’t sound very Jesus-like to me) probably had more to do with their own prejudices than with the (cough) God’s honest truth.

    In any case, the Jewish community in Hebron had existed for many centuries prior to the Arab pogroms of 1920s/30s. I can’t say with certainty that it was continuous.

  203. anon[563] • Disclaimer says:

    #202

    I seem to remember reading that while Vespasian was dealing with the Jews, the Batavians had revolted in the European lowlands and – joined by some Germanic tribes – gave the Romans an unwanted second front that nearly tanked the empire. It seems the Batavians were unhappy with the Romans’ habit of stealing their little boys. (Some things never change.) In any case this may have interfered with the Romans wiping out of the Jews entirely. In which case, the continued existence of the Jews is substantially owed to the Celts, Germans and the much-maligned “homophobia.” Thus, it may be that the allegedly jewish-motivated immigration of the endless supply of Muslims to the Germans in particular is not actually intended to destroy them, as is commonly thought, but is simply a disguised form of reparations: A thank you for your help in 70 AD.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @anon

    Something similar happened a couple of decades later, when the Romans were forced to abandon their conquest of Scotland when the Dacians invaded the empire in the east. The Romans pulled out of northern Scotland and never returned.

  204. anon[219] • Disclaimer says:

    #202

    “So they [Romans] only managed to kill/expel 75% of the population [Jews], not 100%. I can believe this. ”

    I seem to remember reading that while Vespasian was dealing with the Jews, the Batavians had revolted in the European lowlands and – joined by some Germanic tribes – gave the Romans an unwanted second front that nearly tanked the empire. It seems the Batavians were unhappy with the Romans’ habit of stealing their little boys. (Some things never change.) In any case this may have interfered with the Romans wiping out of the Jews entirely. In which case, the continued existence of the Jews is substantially owed to the Celts, Germans and the much-maligned “homophobia.” Thus, it may be that the allegedly jewish-motivated immigration of the endless supply of Muslims to the Germans in particular is not actually intended to destroy them, as is commonly thought, but is simply a disguised form of reparations: A thank you for your help in 70 AD.

  205. @GeologyAnonMk6
    @Jack D

    What cities were spared by Legio X? I was under the impression Vespasian et al put more or less every Jew in Syria Palaestinea to the sword and the current Jewish population globally were all descendants of the Jews who were out in other areas of the empire when the Gladius came down. I've not researched it at all, that's just what I remember being taught in Catholic School, and my interest was mostly in Vespasian as he was a pretty unlikely guy and quite interesting. But I believe he ascended to Imperator before the full desolation was carried out, I think he left right after the zealots @ Masada chose suicide over attempting to break out of the Roman investment.

    He was portrayed pretty sympathetically by the Irish Catholic priests who taught at the high school. There is, as you may know, an old sentiment in traditional Catholicism that Legio X were acting as divine retribution for the pharisee's murder of Christ, and vindicators of Christ's prophesy of the destruction of Jerusalem made shortly before his torture and execution. Christ's views on the Romans always seemed highly positive to me, in comparison to his rather dim view of Herods regime. Odd since Herod was only Satrap King because of the Roman's, although perhaps Christ was aware that was one of the last acts of the Senate before Imperial power became absolute. In any event, supporting Israel's ongoing effort to ethnically cleanse the Palestinian people and absorb Lebanon and much of Syria in the bargain is not of benefit to the USA in any way, either morally or functionally.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Johann Ricke

    I was under the impression Vespasian et al put more or less every Jew in Syria Palaestinea to the sword

    I’m always skeptical of these accounts. A big part of conquest was to use, as a resource, the populations gathered to the empire. You needed peasants to tax, and draftees for your army. Can’t tax or shanghai a pile of corpses.

  206. @anon
    @Jack D #202

    I seem to remember reading that while Vespasian was dealing with the Jews, the Batavians had revolted in the European lowlands and - joined by some Germanic tribes - gave the Romans an unwanted second front that nearly tanked the empire. It seems the Batavians were unhappy with the Romans' habit of stealing their little boys. (Some things never change.) In any case this may have interfered with the Romans wiping out of the Jews entirely. In which case, the continued existence of the Jews is substantially owed to the Celts, Germans and the much-maligned "homophobia." Thus, it may be that the allegedly jewish-motivated immigration of the endless supply of Muslims to the Germans in particular is not actually intended to destroy them, as is commonly thought, but is simply a disguised form of reparations: A thank you for your help in 70 AD.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Something similar happened a couple of decades later, when the Romans were forced to abandon their conquest of Scotland when the Dacians invaded the empire in the east. The Romans pulled out of northern Scotland and never returned.

  207. @John Johnson
    @Colin Wright

    We certainly don’t deny Africa our resources and technology, so the proposal would be a reversal.

    We don't deny them our technology and in fact their drugs are subsidized by US taxpayers.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    That’s what I just said.

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