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From the Washington Post in 2016:

Poor white kids are less likely to go to prison than rich black kids

By Max Ehrenfreund
March 23, 2016 at 1:28 p.m. EDT

It’s a fact that people of color are worse off than white Americans in all kinds of ways, but there is little agreement on why. Some see those disparities as a consequence of racial discrimination in schools, the courts and the workplace, both in the past and present. Others argue that economic inequalities are really the cause, and that public policy should help the poor no matter their race or ethnicity. When it comes to affirmative action in college admissions, for example, many say that children from poor, white families should receive preferential treatment, as well.

In some ways, though, discrimination against people of color is more complicated and fundamental than economic inequality. A stark new finding epitomizes that reality: In recent decades, rich black kids have been more likely to go to prison than poor white kids.

“Race trumps class, at least when it comes to incarceration,” said Darrick Hamilton of the New School, one of the researchers who produced the study.

He and his colleagues, Khaing Zaw and William Darity of Duke University, examined data from the National Longitudinal Survey of Youth, a national study that began in 1979 and followed a group of young people into adulthood and middle age.

This is the main crimethink study that The Bell Curve was based on.

The participants were asked about their assets and debts, and interviewers also noted their type of residence, including whether they were in a jail or prison.

The researchers grouped participants in the survey by their race and their household wealth as of 1985 and then looked back through the data to see how many people in each group ultimately went to prison. …

About 2.7 percent of the poorest white young people — those whose household wealth was in the poorest 10th of the distribution in 1985, when they were between 20 and 28 years old — ultimately went to prison….

About 10 percent of affluent black youths in 1985 would eventually go to prison. Only the very wealthiest black youth — those whose household wealth in 1985 exceeded $69,000 in 2012 dollars — had a better chance of avoiding prison than the poorest white youth. Among black young people in this group, 2.4 percent were incarcerated.

Hispanic participants who were less affluent in 1985 were more likely to be eventually incarcerated than their white peers with similar wealth, but less likely than black participants.

Wow, who could ever imagine that Hispanics would be in-between whites and blacks on some social metric? That’s just crazy, man.

By Max Ehrenfreund

You kind of blew it, Max.

Max Ehrenfreund wrote for Wonkblog and compiled Wonkbook, a daily policy newsletter. He left The Washington Post in July 2017.

Sure, you are brilliant enough to now be a Harvard Ph.D. candidate in history writing a dissertation about Weber, von Mises, Schumpeter, and Polyani.

But you weren’t clever enough to blame racism and only RACISM like the NYT did when they reported Raj Chetty’s 2018 finding that young adult black males raised at the 99th percentile of overall income were imprisoned at the same rate as white males raised at the 34th percentile of national income:

Extensive Data Shows Punishing Reach of Racism for Black Boys

Now that’s smart thinking, Max!

Do you think Jennifer Rubin got her WaPo column by ignoring what subscribers want to hear?

Ya coulda been a contendah!

Have a nice life teaching history at frigid Bowdoin or remote Whitman.

 
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  1. Have a nice life teaching history at frigid Bowdoin!

    Bowdoin is a lovely place. Not exactly Siberia–even though their mascot is a polar bear lol rotfl lmfao.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @slumber_j


    Bowdoin is a lovely place. Not exactly Siberia–even though their mascot is a polar bear lol rotfl lmfao.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brunswick,_Maine#Demographics

    The racial makeup of the town was 93.0% White, 1.7% African American, 0.3% Native American, 2.1% Asian, 0.5% from other races, and 2.4% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 2.9% of the population.
     
    Almost heaven and probably better than West Virginia.

    Replies: @Jack D

  2. Only the very wealthiest … youth

    Irrespective of colour, are these wealth effects caused by (i) a less exuberant tendency to commit crimes (ii) a more intelligent ability to escape detection, or the capacity of their parents to (iii) hire better lawyers or (iv) bribe policemen, prosecutors, judges, or jurors?

    • Replies: @Unintended Consequence
    @dearieme

    The upwardly mobile are like hamsters in a wheel. Between school and extracurriculars and elite college admissions, there's very little time to embark on a life of crime.

    , @Lurker
    @dearieme


    or the capacity of their parents to (iii) hire better lawyers or (iv) bribe policemen, prosecutors, judges, or jurors?
     
    (iii) I assume so. But given two families of identical wealth - the one that keeps having to get the favourite son out of trouble is going to end up less wealthy. And if he keeps on breaking the law the costs are likely to mount.

    (iv) Could be. Not saying it doesn't happen. But quite expensive I suspect. Not mention entailing second order risks of exposure which would entail further expense and risk. The family that has law abiding kids can dodge all that stuff cost entirely.

    Replies: @Alden

  3. “top 1% – millionaires -”

    Maybe a millionaire in 2010 isn’t that impressive? I also suspect that the urban centered inflation of real estate values meant a fair number of people living in urban areas were millionaires more due to luck, sort of like lottery winners. The top 1% of Black wealthy were probably there due to luck more often than other groups.

    Did Chetty run the numbers by state? I am kind of thinking inner city Blacks vs rural whites on crime. Did Chetty do an analysis of the jobs reported on 1040s by top 1% Blacks vs others?

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @George

    Is that millionaires by total net asset value? (Including their house?) That would include a lot of us. That would include a lot of ordinary slobs. It means next to nothing.

    Millionaires by annual income? That would be something.

    Millionaires by liquid assets? That would kind of separate the men from the boys.

    Millionaires by cash in the bank? That would indicate the fools stupid enough to keep it that way, unless they are truly so rich they can afford to keep that many dollars-as-dollars in a friggin' bank.

    Millionaires by equities? That would be good, but only as of today's market valuation.

    A million isn't what it used to be.


    https://media.tenor.co/images/e6bec27c8458c7b428d08043976e5d84/tenor.gif

    , @Mr. Peabody
    @George

    Agree. Let's do some stereotyping.
    The white trash kids grab a car out of the Walmart lot and hightail it out of their dry county to that wide open town just across the state line. After a night of hell raising, they head for home. But Deputy Fife's momma didn't raise no fools. He's parked behind that clump of pines just over the county line and busts the lot of them on multiple felony counts.
    Meanwhile, back in Gotham City, the millionaire's daughter has just lost here last appeal on the felony counts, and seen here civil suits, alleging racism and sexism against her employer, dimissed. Now she's heading off to tennis prison for embezzling hundreds of thousands of dollars from the public purse durinhg her tenure as Director of DIE for the city schools (spent it all on nails and hair jobs, redecorating the condo, and trips to trashy island resorts with her boyfriend, doncha know).
    As it happens, dumb white kids and privileged black kids act stupid at about the same rate. It's a case of coincidence; neither cause nor correlation.
    Steve's numerous tract on IQ spread may explain the why and how of it.

  4. there is little agreement on why.

    Ah, those halcyon days of 2016, when it was still permissible to disagree about something –without having your life ruined I mean.

    Can anyone remember back that far? We definitely didn’t know how good we had it.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Renard

    And in six years' time, we'll probably be looking back at 2022 and marvelling at the freedom of expression that was still allowed.

    Replies: @Polistra

  5. Well this is all certainly a mistake. I mean, I saw the movie Trading Places. Crime is purely an economic thing. Those poor rich black youngsters are being dragged out of their mansions at gunpoint for nothing more than sneaking sips of the Christmas cognac a bit too early in the morning!

    • LOL: HammerJack
  6. In related news, aspired Migos rapper Takeoff was murdered in a Texas bowling alley this week. Takeoff was already big enough to have been turned into a Funko before his time of death, unlike Nipsey Hussle. But whether aspired or merely aspiring, all such rappers tend to in the end become commonly aspirated by impromptu lead projectile therapy-

    Which answers this paradox. Regardless of tax bracket or net worth, a significant portion of blacks who have “made it” simply cannot abide mothballing themselves in some mansion in the white suburbs, but must seek out ghetto clubs and other recreational venues to be around “real knitters”, resulting in their eventual murder over a beef, armed robbery attempts of their bling (including home invasion) or else their arraignment over weapons charges due to efforts to protect themselves against the above forementioned outcomes.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @Abe

    Where's his lips?

    , @anarchyst
    @Abe

    As far as I am concerned, any "rapper" that receives "lead therapy" is one less piece of human garbage to have to deal with.
    That being said, Kanye West (or "Ye" as he is presently known as) is doing a real service to all of humanity by pointing out and exposing the criminality of the jews.
    He may suffer in the short term, but hopefully his "legacy" will come out on top. The "big jews" are squirming not knowing how to handle their "pet" (Ye) and are showing their true colors by attempting to cripple him financially.
    Jews cannot use his race against him--a good thing.

    Replies: @SaneClownPosse, @Renard

    , @tyrone
    @Abe

    Rapper vs.crab fisherman on the vast Bering sea ,which is more dangerous.

    , @Alfa158
    @Abe

    Please provide footnotes that define the words; Migos, Funko, real knitter.
    I for one am totally not with it and have no idea what those are. I still employ expressions like “jeepers” and “23 skidoo”.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Inquiring Mind, @Abe

    , @Muggles
    @Abe

    Migo is the name of Takeoff's rap group ( with two other relatives I believe).

    Funko is some kind of plastic doll made in the likeness of various hipsters.

    Knitters, that's a new one but probably is some slang for Black! gangbangers.

    I'm sure someone else can elaborate or correct.

    I too have wondered why some 22 YO who probably made at least a quarter million or more (after tax even!) in his rap career would be shooting dice with losers in some bowling alley/bar at 2:30 AM.

    Like some Damon Runyon short story character gangster in the 1920s. That's been a dimwit cliche for decades.

    As I live in the local area, still no word on who did him in. Though there is dramatic video of that, so I've been told. Relatives have complained about that being "disrespectful" and all. Evidently some of the comments on that aren't very nice. Another cultural element of our Present Era.

    Very appropriate for today's iSteve column. Why can't wealthy black men, young often, refrain from criminal behavior or getting involved with lowlifes? Too many end up dealing drugs or gang activity. Not uncommon among former pro athletes. I guess investing in real estate is just too Jewish for them. Or learn to code!

    Usually, at least in my day, White males stopped trying to be a "cool hood" near high school graduation time. Reality starts to sink in. Maybe with these Blacks! they never outgrow their insecurity over being a high school dweeb, no matter how rich.

    RIP Takeoff.

    Should have listened to Mama warn about hanging around those sketchy "friends" and all. Get a real job, get a wife who will no doubt, demand that you'll be home by midnight.

    Too late now.

    Replies: @Kylie, @Reg Cæsar, @Abe

    , @Cutter
    @Abe

    ghetto clubs - he was at a bowling alley. Apparently someone argued over a dice game and started shooting, hitting Kirshnik Khari Ball by accident.

    That's not ghetto, that's just their culture

  7. @Abe
    In related news, aspired Migos rapper Takeoff was murdered in a Texas bowling alley this week. Takeoff was already big enough to have been turned into a Funko before his time of death, unlike Nipsey Hussle. But whether aspired or merely aspiring, all such rappers tend to in the end become commonly aspirated by impromptu lead projectile therapy-

    https://www.tiendamarvel.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Funko-Pop-Migos-Takeoff.jpg

    Which answers this paradox. Regardless of tax bracket or net worth, a significant portion of blacks who have “made it” simply cannot abide mothballing themselves in some mansion in the white suburbs, but must seek out ghetto clubs and other recreational venues to be around “real knitters”, resulting in their eventual murder over a beef, armed robbery attempts of their bling (including home invasion) or else their arraignment over weapons charges due to efforts to protect themselves against the above forementioned outcomes.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @anarchyst, @tyrone, @Alfa158, @Muggles, @Cutter

    Where’s his lips?

  8. Poor White Kids Are Less Likely to Go to Prison Than Rich Black Kids

    As is their wont, the WaPo left out an intermediate step.

    More complete headline:

    Poor White Kids Are Less Likely to Commit a Crime and Go to Prison Than Rich Black Kids

    Or if WaPo wants to to stick with their original phraseology, perhaps they arrange quick and easy prison visits or tours for poor white kids to” close the gap”.

    • Thanks: Old Prude, HammerJack
    • Replies: @bgates
    @Almost Missouri

    Beat me to it. I was going to suggest that the data show even more severe discrimination against Felon-Americans - 10% of affluent black kids went to prison, but probably upwards of 50% of kids who commit felonies get locked up.

    , @Prester John
    @Almost Missouri

    They have no choice but to omit that "intermediate step", otherwise no more Georgetown wine & cheese parties for them.

    , @JimDandy
    @Almost Missouri

    Yeah, how about:

    Poor White Kids Are Less Likely to Brutally Murder Someone and Theb Go to Prison For Murder Than Rich Black Kids

    , @J.Ross
    @Almost Missouri

    And when they do commit a crime, like Dylan Roof, or are suspected of such like Kyle Rittenhouse, they actually cooperate with the police officers. Almost everything a leftist political commentator has to say is psychopathic projection to cover some unforced error which burned them. Needle snakes upon needle snakes.

    , @kaganovitch
    @Almost Missouri

    Poor White Kids Are Less Likely to Commit a Crime and Go to Prison Than Rich Black Kids

    Yes, but as is well known, Blacks have no agency so their committing crimes just signifies 'injustice' in the system.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy, @anarchyst

    , @Tiny Duck
    @Almost Missouri

    white males commit more crimes than any other demographic by far.

    https://www.al.com/news/2022/10/tubervilles-reparations-remark-ignores-fact-white-people-commit-most-crimes.html

    Read Leonard Pitts

    Replies: @interesting, @Muggles, @Wade Hampton, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    , @AnotherDad
    @Almost Missouri

    This data--and man that graph is terrific, forward this post to your kids!

    This data undeniably nukes all the "nurture" sociological b.s. and political lying we're heard from the usual suspects for the last 60 years--"opportunity", "inferior schools", "lower income", "bad neighborhoods", "environment racism", "lead paint" ....

    Nope. Get rid of all those factors and give black kids the same high incomes, good neighborhoods, good housing, good schools as their elite white peers ... and their criminal propensity is still 5-10X.

    The only reason the NYT could publish it, is that since the modern wokening they've moved on from "bad nurture" to essentially non-falsifiable magical incantations--"structural racism!". Somehow even in the leafiest 'burbs and best most PC schools ... the magical ether of "racism" just grabs a hold of black kids and forces them to become criminals. All very feminine and post-rational.

    But to rational people, the graph tells the tale. Nurture rebuked. Send this one on to your kids.

  9. It’s a fact that people of color are worse off than white Americans in all kinds of ways, but there is little agreement on why.

    There could be more agreement. You want answers, Max?

    • Agree: lavoisier
  10. The correct way of saying it is that “rich black kids are more likely to commit crimes than poor white kids”

    • Agree: Bernie
  11. @Abe
    In related news, aspired Migos rapper Takeoff was murdered in a Texas bowling alley this week. Takeoff was already big enough to have been turned into a Funko before his time of death, unlike Nipsey Hussle. But whether aspired or merely aspiring, all such rappers tend to in the end become commonly aspirated by impromptu lead projectile therapy-

    https://www.tiendamarvel.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Funko-Pop-Migos-Takeoff.jpg

    Which answers this paradox. Regardless of tax bracket or net worth, a significant portion of blacks who have “made it” simply cannot abide mothballing themselves in some mansion in the white suburbs, but must seek out ghetto clubs and other recreational venues to be around “real knitters”, resulting in their eventual murder over a beef, armed robbery attempts of their bling (including home invasion) or else their arraignment over weapons charges due to efforts to protect themselves against the above forementioned outcomes.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @anarchyst, @tyrone, @Alfa158, @Muggles, @Cutter

    As far as I am concerned, any “rapper” that receives “lead therapy” is one less piece of human garbage to have to deal with.
    That being said, Kanye West (or “Ye” as he is presently known as) is doing a real service to all of humanity by pointing out and exposing the criminality of the jews.
    He may suffer in the short term, but hopefully his “legacy” will come out on top. The “big jews” are squirming not knowing how to handle their “pet” (Ye) and are showing their true colors by attempting to cripple him financially.
    Jews cannot use his race against him–a good thing.

    • Replies: @SaneClownPosse
    @anarchyst

    Kanye West is only famous because the Jewish Entertainment Complex promoted Kanye West.

    He is a performer, and he is performing as directed by his owners.

    This ends with Kanye being canceled as a neo NAZI, Jew hating SOB. He will do penance, then have a come back apology tour.

    , @Renard
    @anarchyst

    Hmm. Kyrie Irving finally made his full groveling apology but the Nets and the ADL have now decided that's not enough. He now has to attend meetings with Jewish "community leaders" and perform the groveling thing in person. Then maybe they'll consider letting him play again.

    https://i.ibb.co/2PST0NT/Capture-2022-11-04-21-44-34-2.png

    Although it may be entertaining to watch the likes of Kanye and Kyrie tangle with the Power Structure, to say they are outmatched in the wits dept is the understatement of the century. In the end, they are not helping your cause. The Empire Strikes Back. It's what Empires do.

    Replies: @Moses

  12. @Almost Missouri

    Poor White Kids Are Less Likely to Go to Prison Than Rich Black Kids
     
    As is their wont, the WaPo left out an intermediate step.

    More complete headline:

    Poor White Kids Are Less Likely to Commit a Crime and Go to Prison Than Rich Black Kids

    Or if WaPo wants to to stick with their original phraseology, perhaps they arrange quick and easy prison visits or tours for poor white kids to" close the gap".

    Replies: @bgates, @Prester John, @JimDandy, @J.Ross, @kaganovitch, @Tiny Duck, @AnotherDad

    Beat me to it. I was going to suggest that the data show even more severe discrimination against Felon-Americans – 10% of affluent black kids went to prison, but probably upwards of 50% of kids who commit felonies get locked up.

  13. Years ago, back when I used to read the Sunday Gray Hag magazine, there was a story about some model black kid in Harlem who was a straight-A student at Phillips Exeter and was being groomed for the Ivies (where else?). Eventually he wound up in jail, convicted of participating in a homicide along with several other companions. I seem to recall the victim as a police officer but I could be wrong.

    Notwithstanding all the external trappings of respectability he still couldn’t resist the lure of “de ‘hood.”

    • Replies: @houston 1992
    @Prester John

    Jan 23 1986 NYT

    Jonah Perry was acquitted yesterday of mugging a plainclothes police officer in an incident that led to the killing of his younger brother, Edmund, a youth from the streets of Harlem who won honors at Phillips Exeter Academy.

    At 2:30 P.M., after four hours of deliberation, the jury in State Supreme Court in Manhattan announced that it had found Jonah Perry, a 19-year-old Cornell University sophomore, not guilty of assaulting and trying to rob Officer Lee Van Houten on Morningside Heights last June 12.

    The jury's verdict seemed to conflict with the decision by a grand jury last summer not to bring any charges against Officer Van Houten. And in doing so, the new jury left a number of questions about who did what in the troubling case - a case involving two outstanding Harlem youths and a police officer with an unblemished record. Accusations of 'Frame-Up'

    From the outset, the Perry family and its lawyers portrayed the incident as a racially motivated ''murder'' of Edmund, who was 17, followed by a ''frame-up'' by the Police Department and the Manhattan District Attorney's office. The Perry family is black; Officer Van Houten, who is 25, is white......"

    https://www.newblackmaninexile.net/2012/02/still-best-intentions-edmund-perry-case.html

    https://www.exeter.edu/news/lessons-learn-life-and-death-eddie-perry

    , @houston 1992
    @Prester John

    another NYT piece: testimony and x-exam of the police officer who fired the fatal shot ...

    https://www.nytimes.com/1986/01/14/nyregion/officer-tells-of-shooting-honors-student-to-death.html

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Prester John

    Probably Edmund Perry, who teamed up with his also groomed-for-prep-school brother to attack a lone white guy one night after basketball for some quick cash. The white guy turned out to be a plainclothes police officer though, so he was armed and shot Perry.

    The usual suspects attempted to make a Trayvon Martin/George Floyd situation out it, but the Perry brothers were too obviously at fault.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Edmund_Perry

    Replies: @Jack D, @Achmed E. Newman, @Polistra, @Joe Stalin, @Nicholas Stix

  14. @Almost Missouri

    Poor White Kids Are Less Likely to Go to Prison Than Rich Black Kids
     
    As is their wont, the WaPo left out an intermediate step.

    More complete headline:

    Poor White Kids Are Less Likely to Commit a Crime and Go to Prison Than Rich Black Kids

    Or if WaPo wants to to stick with their original phraseology, perhaps they arrange quick and easy prison visits or tours for poor white kids to" close the gap".

    Replies: @bgates, @Prester John, @JimDandy, @J.Ross, @kaganovitch, @Tiny Duck, @AnotherDad

    They have no choice but to omit that “intermediate step”, otherwise no more Georgetown wine & cheese parties for them.

  15. @Almost Missouri

    Poor White Kids Are Less Likely to Go to Prison Than Rich Black Kids
     
    As is their wont, the WaPo left out an intermediate step.

    More complete headline:

    Poor White Kids Are Less Likely to Commit a Crime and Go to Prison Than Rich Black Kids

    Or if WaPo wants to to stick with their original phraseology, perhaps they arrange quick and easy prison visits or tours for poor white kids to" close the gap".

    Replies: @bgates, @Prester John, @JimDandy, @J.Ross, @kaganovitch, @Tiny Duck, @AnotherDad

    Yeah, how about:

    Poor White Kids Are Less Likely to Brutally Murder Someone and Theb Go to Prison For Murder Than Rich Black Kids

  16. OT Now-rare must-read thread at 4chan, tldr, Blackrock uses its power to force businesses to adopt woke policies, which you knew, but update: looking to refuse to pay legitimate insurance money on the grounds that not being woke forfeits your business insurance. The Canadian government attached woke conditions to its lockdown payments. Create the crisis, supply the solution.
    Bonus: a Mexican asks why he should insure his business.
    https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/402846948

    • Thanks: The Wild Geese Howard
    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @J.Ross


    Blackrock uses its power to force businesses to adopt woke policies, which you knew, but update: looking to refuse to pay legitimate insurance money...
     
    Isn't Blackrock down a cool trillion this year?

    You still gonna come down here and force my behavior, Larry? I'm waiting, tough guy...

    Meanwhile, Lincoln Financial paid out legitimate insurance money for some mysterious reason and posted a $2.6 billion loss and saw their stock crash 30%:

    https://www.thinkadvisor.com/2022/11/03/lincoln-financial-posts-2-6b-loss-on-reserve-and-goodwill-changes/

    Sooooo mysterious....
    , @Renard
    @J.Ross

    Thanks. It's basically impossible to overstate the significance (and implications) of these stories. It's a glimpse of the near future.

  17. @Almost Missouri

    Poor White Kids Are Less Likely to Go to Prison Than Rich Black Kids
     
    As is their wont, the WaPo left out an intermediate step.

    More complete headline:

    Poor White Kids Are Less Likely to Commit a Crime and Go to Prison Than Rich Black Kids

    Or if WaPo wants to to stick with their original phraseology, perhaps they arrange quick and easy prison visits or tours for poor white kids to" close the gap".

    Replies: @bgates, @Prester John, @JimDandy, @J.Ross, @kaganovitch, @Tiny Duck, @AnotherDad

    And when they do commit a crime, like Dylan Roof, or are suspected of such like Kyle Rittenhouse, they actually cooperate with the police officers. Almost everything a leftist political commentator has to say is psychopathic projection to cover some unforced error which burned them. Needle snakes upon needle snakes.

  18. These big data sets are screaming HUMAN BIODIVERSITY! HUMAN BIODIVERSITY! HUMAN BIODIVERSITY! but no one can mention it without sacrificing all chance of employment in mainstream media, academia, politics, etc. Nowadays, one can even get fired from a job as a police officer by being caught publicly stating the obvious.

  19. If the data is from 85 there’s been social changes that could possibly indicate more dysfunction from whites and others.

    The res used to have three paths, professional Indian, good behavior, good diction and a desire to work for a government agency or NGO. If you are really talented go for the brass ring and try for an actual professional career.

    With minimally good grades most kids from the res get a full ride.

    Two was to be authentic. Maybe with a foray into AIM or some other Subversive type group. You get a job your grandad did, you learn enough to talk to your elders and you live on or near the res. You might learn traditional stuff like outdoorsman skills, leather or wood working my best friend makes beautiful totem poles his wife makes really nice dresses.

    Third path was assimilation. You left the res and became ‘French Canadian’ or something similar. My mom’s best friend did that. Up until the sixties it was the best path.

    Starting in the nineties kids started assimilating to the black standards absolutely corrosive as battery acid.

    I believe the same thing happened to the white community. Kids idolized criminals as long as they could rhyme obscenities to a primitive beat. Kids started using drugs that severely changed their personalities like meth and high THC MJ. They dressed like retarded scarecrows in their mothers old lounging clothes and carried useless pistols.

    Just a feeling but I think the lower class whites are committing more crime than in 85. But clearly so is upper class blacks so…

    • Replies: @Feryl
    @TWS

    Ackshully, the data is for Generation Jones whites (specifically those born from '57-'65) who are probably the most troubled white cohort. Teenagers (including white ones) were out of control in the 70's, and they carried those vices into adulthood. Gen X and Millennial whites have been in many ways more responsible than Gen Jones whites (however, the jury is still out on Gen Z). As someone born in '85, I remember authority figures in the 90's and 2000's being (relatively) respected by young people (indeed, rates of poor behavior among teens and children plummeted by the late 90's). On the other hand, record numbers of cops were murdered in the 70's.

    Right now I'd say that the biggest problem with all generations of whites born after circa 1955 is alienation and depression, as opposed to violent acting out.

  20. I liked newspapers much more before they jumped head-first into sociology

  21. The anarcho tyranny really gonna start kicking in next year. Imagine how you’d have to enforce crime for racially equitable prison populations. Prison sentence for gum chewing in public by Asians?

    • Replies: @Renard
    @Senor canis


    The anarcho tyranny really gonna start kicking in next year.
     
    Perhaps, but the mob-street-rule thing that the establishment let loose in the summer of 2020 probably won't recur if the Dems hold on to Congress. But that's admittedly a big "if" and if it swings the other way 2023 will probably be lit.

    The mob is the ultimate domestic weapon in the Dems' arsenal and they're only too happy to use it.

  22. ah, to live in WaPo land, where people are just incarcerated. There is no reason why. It’s like the turning of seasons. They could at least have a sense of humor about it. The writer could make his point then say “there is disagreement as to why. Some people blame poverty, while others blame racism; still other REDACTED.”

  23. Also, the poorest white kids score about as well as the richest black kids on the SAT.

    https://benkurtzblog.wordpress.com/2017/06/12/the-blackwhite-sat-gap/

    But whaddya whaddya… Nothing to see here, folks.

  24. anonymous[105] • Disclaimer says:

    Nets suspend Kyrie Irving for at least 5 games after he fails to apologize; future remains ‘unclear’

    One week after he first Tweeted to promote a film with anti-Semitic tropes, the Nets have suspended Kyrie Irving.

    If black NBA players had real self respect and wanted to speak truth to power they would all sit out 5 games in protest of Jewish persecution against one of their own.

    • Agree: Renard, Ron Mexico
  25. “Poor White Kids Are Less Likely to Go to Prison Than Rich Black Kids”

    And the conclusion is that something’s wrong with white people.

  26. As always, we absolutely couldn’t consider that this is simply a reflection of disparities in personal behavior. I recall under Obama all the chatter about how black kids were more likely to be suspended from school from the same offense as whites, a difference that was entirely accounted for by the student’s prior disciplinary record.

    That said, I would guess upper income blacks tend to have a lot more downscale relatives and friends that they occasionally hang out with and get into things they shouldn’t. I personally know a couple of black guys who ended up with jail sentences by deciding to go out for the night with their criminal cousin and his friends and happened to be in the car when some things went down and that’s that.

    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @Arclight

    Chris Rock deals with that issue in his famous "How Not to Get an Ass Kicking From the Cops" video.

    , @Alden
    @Arclight

    Obama had that program to send those poor pathetic, discriminated against , misunderstood black boys back to school.

    Including officially Hispanic actually White Nick Cruz.

    Wrangling blacks is one of America’s biggest industries. Millions would be out of work if blacks began behaving like normal people.

    , @Gary in Gramercy
    @Arclight

    "[H]appened to be in the car when some things went down" is a terrific euphemism, one I plan to use whenever it's even remotely appropriate.

    It beats "doing 20 to life on a felony murder rap."

    , @Veracitor
    @Arclight

    Yeah. The children of blacks and whites exhibit reversion toward the mean, but that indicates reversion toward more crime for rich blacks’ kids and toward less for poor whites’ kids. Then you add in the “going for a ride with cousins” problem—the rich black kids’ cousins tend to be more criminal (this is also predicted by reversion-toward).

    I knew a pretty mature black man (like 28 years old) with a high-paying corporate tech job (that he could do fairly well— there was a tinge of AA, but he was inside the acceptable performance band) who earned a long trip to state prison as an active accessory to murder because he drove the car from which his cousins assassinated (by pistol fire) a dope dealer with whom they had a beef, when they saw him emerging from a bar. They all fled the scene after the shooting and it took the cops a while to identify and catch them. The one I knew facilitated the evasion— his normal middle-class lifestyle did not prompt him to avoid his lowlife kin, to refuse to participate in their heinous crimes, nor to betray them to the police afterward (when he could have claimed coercion, turned State’s evidence, and likely gotten himself off while sending his companions to prison as they fully deserved). A lot of people in the office were shocked when he was arrested.

    While one can imagine transracial adoption severing the criminal-cousins links, it could not fix personal reversion toward the mean, and the studies I’ve read seem to confirm that supposition.

    Replies: @Arclight, @Pontius

    , @Ben the Layabout
    @Arclight

    There's a couple more likely factors, none of them very complimentary to Blacks, unfortunately.

    Point 1: Blacks who are "successful" (e.g. high income) except in fields where they naturally excel at (pro sports, perhaps some entertainment) are to a large degree there because of racial preferences, rather than merit/ability. It may be difficult to assess the degree where this is a factor, but I am sure that sixty years of quotas, affirmative action and suchlike has had an impact.

    Point 2: Regression to the mean (in genetics). Let's assume, for argument, that those Blacks at the top of income actually got there by merit. We will use IQ/Education as the yardstick. Further, let's assume this Black couple is of the same mean intelligence as Whites at their SES level. Let's say that Black couple both have an IQ=110, roughly in the league of highly-paid and educated professionals of any race. Alas biology in her vagaries dictates that children born to that couple, even if both be well above the average for their race (and they are) will "regress to the mean," in this case, of IQ which is largely genetically determined. They will tend very slightly to be a bit on the right side of the bell curve, but most offspring will be around the race's average, about 85 IQ which is nothing to brag about.

    The above, in my opinion, will largely explain the fact (?) trumpeted in the headline.

  27. anon[216] • Disclaimer says:

    By dint of an apology from the Toronto Police Chief, Canada has finally admitted to its definition of systemic racism: blacks being stopped/arrested/imprisoned at higher per capita rates than Whites (capital W infers actual Whites, Jews excluded). Never mind rates of actual crime, of course.

    Since bad political ideas tend to start in Canada, it follows that what Wapo wants is more American Whites imprisoned to balance the rates there. Anarchy for blacks, tyranny for Whites.

  28. @Abe
    In related news, aspired Migos rapper Takeoff was murdered in a Texas bowling alley this week. Takeoff was already big enough to have been turned into a Funko before his time of death, unlike Nipsey Hussle. But whether aspired or merely aspiring, all such rappers tend to in the end become commonly aspirated by impromptu lead projectile therapy-

    https://www.tiendamarvel.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Funko-Pop-Migos-Takeoff.jpg

    Which answers this paradox. Regardless of tax bracket or net worth, a significant portion of blacks who have “made it” simply cannot abide mothballing themselves in some mansion in the white suburbs, but must seek out ghetto clubs and other recreational venues to be around “real knitters”, resulting in their eventual murder over a beef, armed robbery attempts of their bling (including home invasion) or else their arraignment over weapons charges due to efforts to protect themselves against the above forementioned outcomes.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @anarchyst, @tyrone, @Alfa158, @Muggles, @Cutter

    Rapper vs.crab fisherman on the vast Bering sea ,which is more dangerous.

  29. @Abe
    In related news, aspired Migos rapper Takeoff was murdered in a Texas bowling alley this week. Takeoff was already big enough to have been turned into a Funko before his time of death, unlike Nipsey Hussle. But whether aspired or merely aspiring, all such rappers tend to in the end become commonly aspirated by impromptu lead projectile therapy-

    https://www.tiendamarvel.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Funko-Pop-Migos-Takeoff.jpg

    Which answers this paradox. Regardless of tax bracket or net worth, a significant portion of blacks who have “made it” simply cannot abide mothballing themselves in some mansion in the white suburbs, but must seek out ghetto clubs and other recreational venues to be around “real knitters”, resulting in their eventual murder over a beef, armed robbery attempts of their bling (including home invasion) or else their arraignment over weapons charges due to efforts to protect themselves against the above forementioned outcomes.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @anarchyst, @tyrone, @Alfa158, @Muggles, @Cutter

    Please provide footnotes that define the words; Migos, Funko, real knitter.
    I for one am totally not with it and have no idea what those are. I still employ expressions like “jeepers” and “23 skidoo”.

    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @Alfa158

    I use Urban Dictionary when I'm feeling "L7" and clueless. You should try it.

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=English

    Replies: @Alfa158

    , @Inquiring Mind
    @Alfa158

    Bing Search is your friend.

    Migo is short for amigo which is Spanish for friend. It is slang for person of Hispanic extraction.

    Funko, apparently, is the big-headed figurine depicted in Abe's post. "Turned into a Funko" means you are famous enough that the Japanese company making these dolls makes one that represents you?

    A knitter is slang for a white liberal who values SWPL (stuff white people like). A real knitter, in this context, is a veiled reference to a word that rappers call each other but that white liberals are not allowed use.

    This Funko reference is analogous to Mark Twain in "On the prose style of James Fennimore Cooper" using the phrase "and you shall get a chromo" as the punchline to a joke. No one I asked knows what this means.

    What I think this means is that "chromo", short for "chromolithograph", was an 1870
    's technology used to make reproductions of religion themed artwork. This was SWPL of that era to have such a "chromo" decorating your living room, a custom maintained in America at least through the 1950s.

    Cooper uses, in Twain's opinion, overly ornate prose to describe the courage of a female character in rescuing someone from certain death at the hands of their Indian captors. Twain claims this could have been shortened to "and you shall get a chromo", meaning to anyone of that era, that your act of mercy conducted at personal peril will be commemorated by middle class families hanging a chromolithograph depicting this in their living rooms.

    It was satire of Cooper as well the persons who thought that reading Cooper made them cultured.

    Ha, ha, very clever Mr. Twain.

    , @Abe
    @Alfa158


    Please provide footnotes that define the words; Migos, Funko, real knitter.
     
    Migos is a rap group. Funko is a collectible bobble-head brand (this decade’s beanie-baby craze). “Knitter” is from BOB’S BURGERS which I’ve been watching on streaming with my kids. Amazing to think this sort of soft-edgy humor is now basically impossible on mainstream TV post-Racial Reckoning:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-DgCZB6klOA

  30. When sheltered liberals do encounter the bottom 75% of black, I wonder how much seeing ghetto behavior makes double down on SJW-ism to ward off crimethink.

    For me, whenever I hear people bang on about the school to prison pipeline or redlining, my first thought is: “Have you EVER interacted with these people!?!”

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Ian Smith

    "When sheltered liberals do encounter the bottom 75% of black, I wonder how much seeing ghetto behavior makes double down on SJW-ism to ward off crimethink."

    Wonder no more!

    This white woman, a Nobel Prize winning authoress living in Johannesburg, was robbed by four young black males in a home invasion.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/nov/02/books.southafrica#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16676093159979&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fworld%2F2006%2Fnov%2F02%2Fbooks.southafrica

    Replies: @Ian Smith, @Rob McX

  31. • Thanks: MEH 0910
    • Replies: @mc23
    @Twinkie

    Interesting that the gap is fairly consistent across all income levels.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Ben the Layabout

  32. Interesting that the black curve goes up slightly as you move from 96-99th percentile. Could be noise, but I wonder if that’s reflecting a difference between sons of doctors / lawyers and sons of athletes / entertainers

  33. Is it possible that Negros as a group tend to choose to commit more prison-worthy crimes than whites as a group?

    There’s an interesting pilot program underway in New York that seeks to redress this imbalance by simply not jailing black criminals no matter how heinous the crime.

    • Replies: @Gamecock
    @Anonymous


    Is it possible that Negros as a group tend to choose to commit more prison-worthy crimes than whites as a group?
     
    Not at first. Big Dem city courts tend to let blacks off easy. With no consequences, they do more. And escalate the severity. Then they are stunned when they are actually jailed for murder.


    There’s an interesting pilot program underway in New York that seeks to redress this imbalance by simply not jailing black criminals no matter how heinous the crime.

     

    So the solution to revolving door justice is to not even jail them for murder.

    And the Dems claim they are helping Blacks, even though they are destroying their communities. More Blacks may be forced to become white.
  34. @Almost Missouri

    Poor White Kids Are Less Likely to Go to Prison Than Rich Black Kids
     
    As is their wont, the WaPo left out an intermediate step.

    More complete headline:

    Poor White Kids Are Less Likely to Commit a Crime and Go to Prison Than Rich Black Kids

    Or if WaPo wants to to stick with their original phraseology, perhaps they arrange quick and easy prison visits or tours for poor white kids to" close the gap".

    Replies: @bgates, @Prester John, @JimDandy, @J.Ross, @kaganovitch, @Tiny Duck, @AnotherDad

    Poor White Kids Are Less Likely to Commit a Crime and Go to Prison Than Rich Black Kids

    Yes, but as is well known, Blacks have no agency so their committing crimes just signifies ‘injustice’ in the system.

    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    @kaganovitch

    "Now we see the violence inherent in the system."

    https://youtu.be/uxu7xLp4pnY

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @anarchyst
    @kaganovitch

    To blacks, a stint in the "University of Corrections" establishes one's "street cred" and is looked upon by fellow blacks as being a real achievement.

  35. In relative terms, even poor white neighbors cost more than middle-class black neighbors.

    • Replies: @guest007
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    A talking point that black PhD college professors and researchers love to use is that the poorest white is more likely to attend a public school with some upper middle class white students than poor black students to attend a school with anyone above the middle class.

    The reason is that poor whites do not live in dense urban areas so that a school cannot be zoned to only include poor whites. In smaller cities there are fewer schools that everyone in town will go to one of the few.

  36. Khaing Zaw ? Now what kinda fuckin’ name is that?

    Burmese??

  37. @Arclight
    As always, we absolutely couldn't consider that this is simply a reflection of disparities in personal behavior. I recall under Obama all the chatter about how black kids were more likely to be suspended from school from the same offense as whites, a difference that was entirely accounted for by the student's prior disciplinary record.

    That said, I would guess upper income blacks tend to have a lot more downscale relatives and friends that they occasionally hang out with and get into things they shouldn't. I personally know a couple of black guys who ended up with jail sentences by deciding to go out for the night with their criminal cousin and his friends and happened to be in the car when some things went down and that's that.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Alden, @Gary in Gramercy, @Veracitor, @Ben the Layabout

    Chris Rock deals with that issue in his famous “How Not to Get an Ass Kicking From the Cops” video.

  38. @Alfa158
    @Abe

    Please provide footnotes that define the words; Migos, Funko, real knitter.
    I for one am totally not with it and have no idea what those are. I still employ expressions like “jeepers” and “23 skidoo”.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Inquiring Mind, @Abe

    I use Urban Dictionary when I’m feeling “L7” and clueless. You should try it.

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=English

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    @Jim Bob Lassiter

    Thanks that was useful. Some of the terms must still be confusing. I saw that a knitter can be either a Gay or a Black. I would be careful about addressing someone by that name given you may get an unexpected reaction depending on how the knitter interprets the word.

  39. Hey Steve, are you going to write about the whole Emily Oster “Pandemic Amnesty” pile of horse manure that caused a mini-hurricane on Twitter of people raking her over the coals? And even got a #Nuremberg2.0 hashtag started?

    Or would that mean that you and others here would finally have to acknowledge that the “Covid denier” crowd was 100% correct about pretty much everything, and right from the start of it all too?

    Here’s a good primer for you on this.

    https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/emily-osters-plea-bargain/

    The crimes that have been committed are monstrous — moral and ethical crimes, if not always “legal” crimes, because nobody ever thought about making it illegal to make it illegal for people to take perfectly safe drugs that might have saved lives, along with countless other vile actions that were undertaken. And now they want “amnesty”? Fat chance.

  40. I just skimmed it for a few paragraphs. Did it mention exactly who commits crimes? Kids what is meant by kids? Under 12? 12&13? 14-16? 17?? In the bad old days those kids would go to juvenile hall then maybe a group home maybe youth authority reform schools. The concept of juvenile crime was destroyed decades ago by the ever eager Legal Aid Foundations that won court case after court case. So it’s to the point that under 18s can’t be arrested or detained till they kill or seriously injury someone. To the point of permanent disability.

    What does WAPO mean by kids and prisons? 15 year olds in detention for a week before being let out with counseling , curfew and back to school? Or 25 year old murderers in a real state prison?

    In the olden day’s those juvenile reform schools were called wayward boys industrial schools. They were prisons. But they learned useful trades and mechanical skills. So even if they didn’t make it into a union, they could always make a living as handymen. . Now they get a retard level regular useless high school curriculum.

    The good old days when wayward girls were sent off to reform school for running away from incestous fathers etc. There was one near Santa Rosa Ca. The girls were taught typing shorthand book keeping office machinery maintaince filing and office management. Obsolete skills now. All very valuable 70-30 years ago.

    So they were ready for the job market.

    The insanity of DC liberals. They work and live in one of the blackest highest crime lowest school scores parts of the country. They are affected by black crime all the time. It’s getting better because non black immigrants are moving in.

    Far back as WW2 the marines at the Anacostia base we’re under orders never to leave the base alone. Always two or more. Plus maps of safe routes to the rest of DC shuttle buses so they wouldn’t have to walk through the black neighborhood.

    Foreign diplomats used to call DC Africa. And not just because of the climate.

    Liberals are insane.

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @Alden


    The insanity of DC liberals. They work and live in one of the blackest highest crime lowest school scores parts of the country.
     
    No, liberal whites live in Georgetown (a fairly distinct rich white enclave) or certain other enclaves (NW I think) where high prices keep neighbors mostly friendly. The DC cops know where to police and where to avoid.

    Likewise liberals don't send their kids to DC public schools. Many private and/or religious private options.

    The poorer ones (Whites) live in adjacent mostly White northern Virginia suburbs, which vote monolithically for the Comrades. But their schools are mainly non black and neighborhoods also non "diverse." Some live in farther away Maryland suburbs which again, are mostly for affluent government parasites who can afford that and the commute.

    The Mean Streets of DC are rarely seen by said liberals. The Metro likewise is very heavily policed and not like the garbage, rat, and zombie infested ones in NYC.

    Still some Seth Rich types get mysteriously murdered even though in "good areas." "Nothing to see here" folks, we are told about that.

    (Either gay trick gone bad or too much info on La Hillary & Company. Take your guess...)

    Replies: @Alden, @cityview, @Ben the Layabout

    , @Anonymous
    @Alden


    Far back as WW2 the marines at the Anacostia base we’re under orders never to leave the base alone.
     
    Sounds like a lie from someone who never lived in DC because

    * there's never been a Marine base in Anacostia
    * any base named "Anacostia" is named after the river, not the dodgy neighborhood
    * the dodgy neighborhood was mostly white and not dodgy in the '40s and '50s
    * Marines are pussies

    Replies: @J.Ross

  41. @Almost Missouri

    Poor White Kids Are Less Likely to Go to Prison Than Rich Black Kids
     
    As is their wont, the WaPo left out an intermediate step.

    More complete headline:

    Poor White Kids Are Less Likely to Commit a Crime and Go to Prison Than Rich Black Kids

    Or if WaPo wants to to stick with their original phraseology, perhaps they arrange quick and easy prison visits or tours for poor white kids to" close the gap".

    Replies: @bgates, @Prester John, @JimDandy, @J.Ross, @kaganovitch, @Tiny Duck, @AnotherDad

    white males commit more crimes than any other demographic by far.

    https://www.al.com/news/2022/10/tubervilles-reparations-remark-ignores-fact-white-people-commit-most-crimes.html

    Read Leonard Pitts

    • LOL: Wade Hampton
    • Replies: @interesting
    @Tiny Duck

    Where are the videos Tiny?

    I recently saw another video if a black man acting badly and they caught the dude......it was his 18th arrest? I've never meet a white dude that's been arrested 18 times.

    As a matter of fact BART stopped showing videos of perps because they didn't want to "re-enforce racial stereotypes" so is your claim that it was most if not all white folks since, as you say, they committed the most crimes and they didn't want to promote your claim of the white violent perpetrator ?

    Replies: @Prester John

    , @Muggles
    @Tiny Duck


    white males commit more crimes than any other demographic by far.
     
    Per capita, no.

    But that's math so you don't understand it...
    , @Wade Hampton
    @Tiny Duck

    White people being forced to read "The Pitts" is just another example of black on white crime.

    , @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Tiny Duck

    "white males commit more crimes than any other demographic by far."

    Well, sure... on "Law and Order" at least.

  42. @Arclight
    As always, we absolutely couldn't consider that this is simply a reflection of disparities in personal behavior. I recall under Obama all the chatter about how black kids were more likely to be suspended from school from the same offense as whites, a difference that was entirely accounted for by the student's prior disciplinary record.

    That said, I would guess upper income blacks tend to have a lot more downscale relatives and friends that they occasionally hang out with and get into things they shouldn't. I personally know a couple of black guys who ended up with jail sentences by deciding to go out for the night with their criminal cousin and his friends and happened to be in the car when some things went down and that's that.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Alden, @Gary in Gramercy, @Veracitor, @Ben the Layabout

    Obama had that program to send those poor pathetic, discriminated against , misunderstood black boys back to school.

    Including officially Hispanic actually White Nick Cruz.

    Wrangling blacks is one of America’s biggest industries. Millions would be out of work if blacks began behaving like normal people.

  43. @Alfa158
    @Abe

    Please provide footnotes that define the words; Migos, Funko, real knitter.
    I for one am totally not with it and have no idea what those are. I still employ expressions like “jeepers” and “23 skidoo”.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Inquiring Mind, @Abe

    Bing Search is your friend.

    Migo is short for amigo which is Spanish for friend. It is slang for person of Hispanic extraction.

    Funko, apparently, is the big-headed figurine depicted in Abe’s post. “Turned into a Funko” means you are famous enough that the Japanese company making these dolls makes one that represents you?

    A knitter is slang for a white liberal who values SWPL (stuff white people like). A real knitter, in this context, is a veiled reference to a word that rappers call each other but that white liberals are not allowed use.

    This Funko reference is analogous to Mark Twain in “On the prose style of James Fennimore Cooper” using the phrase “and you shall get a chromo” as the punchline to a joke. No one I asked knows what this means.

    What I think this means is that “chromo”, short for “chromolithograph”, was an 1870
    ‘s technology used to make reproductions of religion themed artwork. This was SWPL of that era to have such a “chromo” decorating your living room, a custom maintained in America at least through the 1950s.

    Cooper uses, in Twain’s opinion, overly ornate prose to describe the courage of a female character in rescuing someone from certain death at the hands of their Indian captors. Twain claims this could have been shortened to “and you shall get a chromo”, meaning to anyone of that era, that your act of mercy conducted at personal peril will be commemorated by middle class families hanging a chromolithograph depicting this in their living rooms.

    It was satire of Cooper as well the persons who thought that reading Cooper made them cultured.

    Ha, ha, very clever Mr. Twain.

  44. @Abe
    In related news, aspired Migos rapper Takeoff was murdered in a Texas bowling alley this week. Takeoff was already big enough to have been turned into a Funko before his time of death, unlike Nipsey Hussle. But whether aspired or merely aspiring, all such rappers tend to in the end become commonly aspirated by impromptu lead projectile therapy-

    https://www.tiendamarvel.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Funko-Pop-Migos-Takeoff.jpg

    Which answers this paradox. Regardless of tax bracket or net worth, a significant portion of blacks who have “made it” simply cannot abide mothballing themselves in some mansion in the white suburbs, but must seek out ghetto clubs and other recreational venues to be around “real knitters”, resulting in their eventual murder over a beef, armed robbery attempts of their bling (including home invasion) or else their arraignment over weapons charges due to efforts to protect themselves against the above forementioned outcomes.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @anarchyst, @tyrone, @Alfa158, @Muggles, @Cutter

    Migo is the name of Takeoff’s rap group ( with two other relatives I believe).

    Funko is some kind of plastic doll made in the likeness of various hipsters.

    Knitters, that’s a new one but probably is some slang for Black! gangbangers.

    I’m sure someone else can elaborate or correct.

    I too have wondered why some 22 YO who probably made at least a quarter million or more (after tax even!) in his rap career would be shooting dice with losers in some bowling alley/bar at 2:30 AM.

    Like some Damon Runyon short story character gangster in the 1920s. That’s been a dimwit cliche for decades.

    As I live in the local area, still no word on who did him in. Though there is dramatic video of that, so I’ve been told. Relatives have complained about that being “disrespectful” and all. Evidently some of the comments on that aren’t very nice. Another cultural element of our Present Era.

    Very appropriate for today’s iSteve column. Why can’t wealthy black men, young often, refrain from criminal behavior or getting involved with lowlifes? Too many end up dealing drugs or gang activity. Not uncommon among former pro athletes. I guess investing in real estate is just too Jewish for them. Or learn to code!

    Usually, at least in my day, White males stopped trying to be a “cool hood” near high school graduation time. Reality starts to sink in. Maybe with these Blacks! they never outgrow their insecurity over being a high school dweeb, no matter how rich.

    RIP Takeoff.

    Should have listened to Mama warn about hanging around those sketchy “friends” and all. Get a real job, get a wife who will no doubt, demand that you’ll be home by midnight.

    Too late now.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Muggles

    "I too have wondered why some 22 YO who probably made at least a quarter million or more (after tax even!) in his rap career would be shooting dice with losers in some bowling alley/bar at 2:30 AM."

    "Why can’t wealthy black men, young often, refrain from criminal behavior or getting involved with lowlifes?"

    "Should have listened to Mama warn about hanging around those sketchy “friends” and all. Get a real job, get a wife who will no doubt, demand that you’ll be home by midnight."

    Are you seriously asking why blacks act like blacks? I read your comment twice and didn't see a /sarc tag anywhere.

    Replies: @Alden

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Muggles


    Like some Damon Runyon short story character gangster in the 1920s. That’s been a dimwit cliche for decades.
     
    The oldest established permanent floating crap game in Harris County!


    https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/zqUAAOSwqA1e0Dpk/s-l300.jpg

    , @Abe
    @Muggles


    Very appropriate for today’s iSteve column. Why can’t wealthy black men, young often, refrain from criminal behavior or getting involved with lowlifes?
     
    Whites, especially the higher up the socioeconomic ladder they ascend, have no [email protected] clue what blacks are really like or what makes them tick, a problem compounded by certain blacks’ successful adoption (cf. Obama, Will Smith’s character in SIX DEGREES OF SEPARATION) of the ecological niche strategy of parroting all the iciest of icy founding-stock high-WASP mannerisms such as thoughtful restraint, elegant fastidiousness, quietly hurt dignity in the face of insult, etc. in an effort to secure said high-status whites’ patronage against lower-class/deplorable whites who rub actual elbows with them and thus are frequent victims of black predation.

    When our kids were younger and our social life became basically an appendix to theirs- i.e. most of the adults we hung out were other parents we met working the play date/kiddy birthday party/T-ball league circuits, I was reminded for the first time in a while that when it comes to people there are simply all sorts out there. Not all people greet the day generally happy and content! Not all people can abide life without an excessive amount of constant stimulation!

    Such truisms apply in spades (heh) to many suddenly-rich ghetto blacks (and sadly, often the regressed-to-the-mean offspring of accomplished black professionals as well)- they are bored and restless in their safe, quiet whitetopias and desperately crave the companionship of other knitters, which they seek out in urban night clubs, etc. that return them to the social orbit and under the social thumb of the sort of ghetto lowlifes they had previously fled.

    See, it’s not that they need or even want to resort to criminal activities that’s the problem. It’s that willingness to engage in such behaviors as well as ancillary ones like threats and actual displays of extreme physical dominance (i.e. assault and battery) is the ultimate currency in this millieu, trumping even wealth or celebrity in the larger (white) world. The rapper Drake, probably the most successful hip-hop artist of the last 10 years next to Kanye, is constantly addressing the disses he receives in the clubs from “real knitters” for being a “[email protected]”.

    Just look at this video of Scottie Pippen, the 2nd or 3rd best player in the NBA of the entire 90’s, getting slapped around. Pippen may have been “alpha dog” by the rules of the dopey highly-officiated professional sportsball world followed by the larger (white) society, but on the streets and in the clubs dozens of status-hungry knitters were ready to elevate their social position by dominating him unless he was prepared to take the risky, semilicit steps necessary to hold his ground (which in many instances then leads to cases of fatal gunplay).

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xzs290Hh_eU

  45. This is why getting rid of race based affirmative action won’t “work” from the black POV. Blacks are not just poorer than other races, they are different, so if you give people points for being black it’s not the same as giving them points for being “economically disadvantaged”. If you go over to a race neutral “economically disadvantaged” AA system then blacks will lose out because there are plenty of (mostly 1st generation immigrant) Latinos and Asians who are “economically disadvantaged”. If just looking at economic disadvantage was “enough” then the schools would have gone over to a system like that long ago but such a system does not get them the black #’s that they want. It’s like AI – our elites WANT certain results and unless a system gets them the results that they want it’s no good.

  46. About 10 percent of affluent black youths in 1985 would eventually go to prison.

    So nearly 20% of the boys? No wonder smarter black women are hard up for decent, affluent black men.

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @Ralph L


    No wonder smarter black women are hard up for decent, affluent black men.
     
    If smarter black women are actually smart they'll get their BMI under 30 and then (as if by magic) all sorts of new opportunities will come their way.

    We could then start to work on their attitude and entitlement issues. Maybe suggest they watch less TV. Hey I can dream can't I?

  47. @kaganovitch
    @Almost Missouri

    Poor White Kids Are Less Likely to Commit a Crime and Go to Prison Than Rich Black Kids

    Yes, but as is well known, Blacks have no agency so their committing crimes just signifies 'injustice' in the system.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy, @anarchyst

    “Now we see the violence inherent in the system.”

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Gary in Gramercy

    Denis the peasant is more Jew than black though.

    Replies: @Polistra

  48. More evidence that the propensity for violence and criminality and the resultant disparities in crime rates and imprisonment has far more to do with genetics (low average intelligence, higher levels of testosterone) that with culture, politics, and history: e.g., the “legacy of slavery and segregation,” the phantom evils of “systemic racism,” “white supremacy,” “white privilege,” pro-white and anti-black “discrimination,” past and present.

    Imagine what these numbers would be if not for a criminal injustice system largely controlled by white and black leftists and democrats who are obsessed with “equity” and equality for blacks and thus discriminate in favor of blacks and against whites in arresting, prosecuting, and sentencing criminals.

  49. This is an older story, but I find it interesting that, when homosexual men abuse teen aged boys, the sex of the victims is left out, much like when negroes commit crimes and their race is left out of the article. The term homosexual is also nowhere to be found.

    https://apnews.com/article/dekalb-sexual-assault-illinois-4017deb86d2001d3fe0c5453de5c2088

  50. @Arclight
    As always, we absolutely couldn't consider that this is simply a reflection of disparities in personal behavior. I recall under Obama all the chatter about how black kids were more likely to be suspended from school from the same offense as whites, a difference that was entirely accounted for by the student's prior disciplinary record.

    That said, I would guess upper income blacks tend to have a lot more downscale relatives and friends that they occasionally hang out with and get into things they shouldn't. I personally know a couple of black guys who ended up with jail sentences by deciding to go out for the night with their criminal cousin and his friends and happened to be in the car when some things went down and that's that.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Alden, @Gary in Gramercy, @Veracitor, @Ben the Layabout

    “[H]appened to be in the car when some things went down” is a terrific euphemism, one I plan to use whenever it’s even remotely appropriate.

    It beats “doing 20 to life on a felony murder rap.”

  51. @slumber_j

    Have a nice life teaching history at frigid Bowdoin!
     
    Bowdoin is a lovely place. Not exactly Siberia--even though their mascot is a polar bear lol rotfl lmfao.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    Bowdoin is a lovely place. Not exactly Siberia–even though their mascot is a polar bear lol rotfl lmfao.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brunswick,_Maine#Demographics

    The racial makeup of the town was 93.0% White, 1.7% African American, 0.3% Native American, 2.1% Asian, 0.5% from other races, and 2.4% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 2.9% of the population.

    Almost heaven and probably better than West Virginia.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    I've spend a fair amount of time in the vicinity of Brunswick (in the summer) and while it's a lovely little town for its size (and the Bowdoin campus is lovely), its size (20k people for the town, 2k for the college) is not very big. It's an attractive place if you are into outdoor living, sailing, etc. but not so much if you are an urban type. Drinking is also a popular hobby.

    BTW, native Maine whites, although they are white people and not as violent as blacks, can be pretty low class themselves - issues with alcohol, drugs, etc. Not all white people are the same. Maine whites are a notch above W. Va. whites but distinctly below Mass. whites. A lot of Maine whites are of French Canadian descent and the French Canadians themselves were once upon a time a pretty proletarian bunch.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Alden, @Graveldips, @Reg Cæsar, @Brutusale

  52. @Muggles
    @Abe

    Migo is the name of Takeoff's rap group ( with two other relatives I believe).

    Funko is some kind of plastic doll made in the likeness of various hipsters.

    Knitters, that's a new one but probably is some slang for Black! gangbangers.

    I'm sure someone else can elaborate or correct.

    I too have wondered why some 22 YO who probably made at least a quarter million or more (after tax even!) in his rap career would be shooting dice with losers in some bowling alley/bar at 2:30 AM.

    Like some Damon Runyon short story character gangster in the 1920s. That's been a dimwit cliche for decades.

    As I live in the local area, still no word on who did him in. Though there is dramatic video of that, so I've been told. Relatives have complained about that being "disrespectful" and all. Evidently some of the comments on that aren't very nice. Another cultural element of our Present Era.

    Very appropriate for today's iSteve column. Why can't wealthy black men, young often, refrain from criminal behavior or getting involved with lowlifes? Too many end up dealing drugs or gang activity. Not uncommon among former pro athletes. I guess investing in real estate is just too Jewish for them. Or learn to code!

    Usually, at least in my day, White males stopped trying to be a "cool hood" near high school graduation time. Reality starts to sink in. Maybe with these Blacks! they never outgrow their insecurity over being a high school dweeb, no matter how rich.

    RIP Takeoff.

    Should have listened to Mama warn about hanging around those sketchy "friends" and all. Get a real job, get a wife who will no doubt, demand that you'll be home by midnight.

    Too late now.

    Replies: @Kylie, @Reg Cæsar, @Abe

    “I too have wondered why some 22 YO who probably made at least a quarter million or more (after tax even!) in his rap career would be shooting dice with losers in some bowling alley/bar at 2:30 AM.”

    “Why can’t wealthy black men, young often, refrain from criminal behavior or getting involved with lowlifes?”

    “Should have listened to Mama warn about hanging around those sketchy “friends” and all. Get a real job, get a wife who will no doubt, demand that you’ll be home by midnight.”

    Are you seriously asking why blacks act like blacks? I read your comment twice and didn’t see a /sarc tag anywhere.

    • Thanks: Bill Jones
    • LOL: fish
    • Replies: @Alden
    @Kylie

    Here’s what my friend who works st Saks Beverly Hills has to say about those rappers. Saks gets not just the local rappers, but hundreds several times a year for the awards shows. Agents &friends seem to refer them to Saks to buy suits etc for the shows

    Some are so young the only suit they own is the one parents bought for high school prom and graduation.

    So they stream into Saks. My friend says every rapper he has ever served is very middle class. Correct English polite. Comfortable in an expensive store. Not aggressive or bullying. Grateful Saks tailors can do alterations in a couple hours. Grateful to take suggestions from a middle aged clerk about clothes for a very young, newly rich guy.

    His opinion about the young black actors and singers is that most are civilized middle class rather than ghetto. It’s the ghetto rats who get killed. The middle class ones hang out with their normal middle class family and friends and don’t get killed.

    Just one opinion after years of selling clothes to black athletes musicians actors and entertainment people.

    Replies: @Graveldips, @Kylie

  53. @Alfa158
    @Abe

    Please provide footnotes that define the words; Migos, Funko, real knitter.
    I for one am totally not with it and have no idea what those are. I still employ expressions like “jeepers” and “23 skidoo”.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Inquiring Mind, @Abe

    Please provide footnotes that define the words; Migos, Funko, real knitter.

    Migos is a rap group. Funko is a collectible bobble-head brand (this decade’s beanie-baby craze). “Knitter” is from BOB’S BURGERS which I’ve been watching on streaming with my kids. Amazing to think this sort of soft-edgy humor is now basically impossible on mainstream TV post-Racial Reckoning:

  54. They do show the guy’s face, but only very briefly. If it had been a white rapist his face (Along with his middle name) would have been in your face.

    They also name a few other white woman joggers who got killed or raped by almost all black guys but don’t show the pictures or name the race of their attackers, just the locations to give an outsized sense of threat to women in general by men in general.

    • Replies: @Chebyshev
    @Altai

    Women in the City should relocate to small towns upstate. Much safer, and there are nice natural areas.

  55. @kaganovitch
    @Almost Missouri

    Poor White Kids Are Less Likely to Commit a Crime and Go to Prison Than Rich Black Kids

    Yes, but as is well known, Blacks have no agency so their committing crimes just signifies 'injustice' in the system.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy, @anarchyst

    To blacks, a stint in the “University of Corrections” establishes one’s “street cred” and is looked upon by fellow blacks as being a real achievement.

  56. @Kylie
    @Muggles

    "I too have wondered why some 22 YO who probably made at least a quarter million or more (after tax even!) in his rap career would be shooting dice with losers in some bowling alley/bar at 2:30 AM."

    "Why can’t wealthy black men, young often, refrain from criminal behavior or getting involved with lowlifes?"

    "Should have listened to Mama warn about hanging around those sketchy “friends” and all. Get a real job, get a wife who will no doubt, demand that you’ll be home by midnight."

    Are you seriously asking why blacks act like blacks? I read your comment twice and didn't see a /sarc tag anywhere.

    Replies: @Alden

    Here’s what my friend who works st Saks Beverly Hills has to say about those rappers. Saks gets not just the local rappers, but hundreds several times a year for the awards shows. Agents &friends seem to refer them to Saks to buy suits etc for the shows

    Some are so young the only suit they own is the one parents bought for high school prom and graduation.

    So they stream into Saks. My friend says every rapper he has ever served is very middle class. Correct English polite. Comfortable in an expensive store. Not aggressive or bullying. Grateful Saks tailors can do alterations in a couple hours. Grateful to take suggestions from a middle aged clerk about clothes for a very young, newly rich guy.

    His opinion about the young black actors and singers is that most are civilized middle class rather than ghetto. It’s the ghetto rats who get killed. The middle class ones hang out with their normal middle class family and friends and don’t get killed.

    Just one opinion after years of selling clothes to black athletes musicians actors and entertainment people.

    • Thanks: Muggles
    • Replies: @Graveldips
    @Alden

    I once had the opportunity to drive an airport shuttle van loaded with the dancing girls who toured with 2 Live Crew. Completely middle class girls, judging from their conversation. But they didn't tip.

    Recommended movie on the topic: "CB4" (Cell Block 4). Plumber's son becomes gangsta rapper.

    Hey, spellcheck is down wit the bros. It just accepted "gangsta".

    , @Kylie
    @Alden

    "The middle class ones [young black rappers] hang out with their normal middle class family and friends and don’t get killed."

    But isn't "rapper" kind of a catchall phrase nowadays applied to pretty much any young black male who comes to the attention of the public when arrested for or suspected of a crime?

    Even the hundreds of law-abiding rappers who troop through Saks must be only a fraction of the whole. Just consider how the phrase "aspiring rapper" has become a joke.

    Replies: @Alden

  57. @Muggles
    @Abe

    Migo is the name of Takeoff's rap group ( with two other relatives I believe).

    Funko is some kind of plastic doll made in the likeness of various hipsters.

    Knitters, that's a new one but probably is some slang for Black! gangbangers.

    I'm sure someone else can elaborate or correct.

    I too have wondered why some 22 YO who probably made at least a quarter million or more (after tax even!) in his rap career would be shooting dice with losers in some bowling alley/bar at 2:30 AM.

    Like some Damon Runyon short story character gangster in the 1920s. That's been a dimwit cliche for decades.

    As I live in the local area, still no word on who did him in. Though there is dramatic video of that, so I've been told. Relatives have complained about that being "disrespectful" and all. Evidently some of the comments on that aren't very nice. Another cultural element of our Present Era.

    Very appropriate for today's iSteve column. Why can't wealthy black men, young often, refrain from criminal behavior or getting involved with lowlifes? Too many end up dealing drugs or gang activity. Not uncommon among former pro athletes. I guess investing in real estate is just too Jewish for them. Or learn to code!

    Usually, at least in my day, White males stopped trying to be a "cool hood" near high school graduation time. Reality starts to sink in. Maybe with these Blacks! they never outgrow their insecurity over being a high school dweeb, no matter how rich.

    RIP Takeoff.

    Should have listened to Mama warn about hanging around those sketchy "friends" and all. Get a real job, get a wife who will no doubt, demand that you'll be home by midnight.

    Too late now.

    Replies: @Kylie, @Reg Cæsar, @Abe

    Like some Damon Runyon short story character gangster in the 1920s. That’s been a dimwit cliche for decades.

    The oldest established permanent floating crap game in Harris County!

  58. @AnotherDad
    @slumber_j


    Bowdoin is a lovely place. Not exactly Siberia–even though their mascot is a polar bear lol rotfl lmfao.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brunswick,_Maine#Demographics

    The racial makeup of the town was 93.0% White, 1.7% African American, 0.3% Native American, 2.1% Asian, 0.5% from other races, and 2.4% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 2.9% of the population.
     
    Almost heaven and probably better than West Virginia.

    Replies: @Jack D

    I’ve spend a fair amount of time in the vicinity of Brunswick (in the summer) and while it’s a lovely little town for its size (and the Bowdoin campus is lovely), its size (20k people for the town, 2k for the college) is not very big. It’s an attractive place if you are into outdoor living, sailing, etc. but not so much if you are an urban type. Drinking is also a popular hobby.

    BTW, native Maine whites, although they are white people and not as violent as blacks, can be pretty low class themselves – issues with alcohol, drugs, etc. Not all white people are the same. Maine whites are a notch above W. Va. whites but distinctly below Mass. whites. A lot of Maine whites are of French Canadian descent and the French Canadians themselves were once upon a time a pretty proletarian bunch.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    BTW, native Maine whites, although they are white people and not as violent as blacks, can be pretty low class themselves – issues with alcohol, drugs, etc. Not all white people are the same. Maine whites are a notch above W. Va. whites but distinctly below Mass. whites.
     
    Agree. I'm not all that familiar with Maine but these same sorts of issues are evident in my Iowa heimat, and even within my own middle class family.

    Even beyond different ethnic groups--herding and mountain people (like the Scots-Irish, Irish) tend be quite a bit more "troublesome" than settled agriculturalists (like Anglos and Germans). (The Jews obviously have a herding origin but are known for the smarts they evolved as a middleman minority--and I'd say the destruction of the 2nd temple and the supremacy of rabbinic Judaism giving literacy high status was an additional push.)

    Even beyond these innate differences two big things have happened:
    -- out migration from agricultural regions to larger, especially coastal, metros
    -- breakdown of traditional Christian morality/norms.

    In my mom's generation two of smartest kids (including her) made their lives in major metros outside Iowa. Among my cousins probably the smartest outside of me and my brother are lawyers in East coast metros.

    The cousins' kids are generally doing ok--mostly urban and outside Iowa. The smartest (my son aside) doctors in major metros. But I had a cousin--a terrific all-American boy type growing up--who volunteered to fly helicopters in Vietnam. He returned with a chest full of medals (a DFC, two Bronze stars and four Purple Hearts) but not in good shape either physically or mentally and was not around to father his daughter properly. And she has succumbed to the common the post-Christian breakdown--multiple illegitimate children from different fathers.

    I still know some very sharp on the ball people still in rural Iowa. But on the whole, I've little doubt it--and other parts of rural America--are less smart and on the ball than they used to be, as well as beset with more maldies from post-Christian societal breakdown.


    But simply being a white area is going to have more and more appeal as America further browns--Latinoizes. Personally, I'd opt more for Montana, Idaho, Steve's Spokane, that sort of thing, where the base population is Anglo-Germanic and there is pull from excellent outdoor scenery/amenities. But all white areas will become more appealing as whites become increasingly scarce.

    Replies: @Muggles, @Alden, @That Would Be Telling, @Anonymous, @Ben the Layabout

    , @Alden
    @Jack D

    The low class Whites may be poor unemployed high school drop outs drinkers druggies welfare moms who were raised by raised by welfare moms. But they don’t commit felony crimes the way blacks of all SES do.

    Big difference between class and criminal

    The other thing is that middle income home owning employed blacks are jumped up affirmative action employees. I’ve seen statistics that claim that 85/90 percent of employed blacks work for government non profits and quasi government like schools and hospitals.

    I’m sure some of the young blacks whose grand parents and and parents were well paid government employees are solid middle class.

    But look at the DC and surrounding suburb young blacks whose parents work for the federal government and MD and VA state and local governments. Every black suburb has very low test scores. And high crime Compared to 30 years ago when the suburb was all White. Or the White suburb 2 miles away exact same income same type of jobs high test scores low crime rate.

    Or the state capitals. The states went all out for affirmative action blacks 55 50 years ago. So the state capitals are now low test score high crime towns. Sacramento Ca is getting worse and worse. Isn’t your own state capital Harrisburg high crime high black? Same with St Paul Minn.

    I think some of the lowest crime rates are found in some of the poorest White counties in the country..

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Graveldips
    @Jack D

    Carolyn Chute has written novels about those people. "Letourneau's Used Auto Parts" for one. She's one of them. Her husband is illiterate. She had some favor with the critics, slamming the White working class and all, until they realized that she actually liked those people. Her book "Snow Man" is about a militia man who secretly moves into Senator John Kerry's house and beds his wife, the Heinz woman.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Jack D


    Maine whites are a notch above W. Va. whites but distinctly below Mass. whites.
     
    A Southern poetess who settled there calls her neighbors "hillbillies with a different accent".

    Replies: @AceDeuce

    , @Brutusale
    @Jack D

    As a frequent visitor to all three of my New England neighbors to the north, Maine's hillbillies are far more likely to be employed and functioning than those in Vermont. My Maine customers tended to be Mainers, while my Vermont customers were Bernie Sanders clones.


    Vermont has the highest share of teens who used illicit drugs in the past month, at 13.92 percent. That is 2.3 times higher than in Utah, which has the lowest at 6.02 percent.
    Vermont has the highest share of adults who used illicit drugs in the past month, at 20.82 percent. That is 2.7 times higher than in Utah, which has the lowest at 7.80 percent.--WalletHub
     
    The Maine coast from the NH border up to Rockland is now being overrun by expats from Boston and NYC. It'll be interesting to see how they coexist with the folks "up the county".
  59. @The Anti-Gnostic
    In relative terms, even poor white neighbors cost more than middle-class black neighbors.

    Replies: @guest007

    A talking point that black PhD college professors and researchers love to use is that the poorest white is more likely to attend a public school with some upper middle class white students than poor black students to attend a school with anyone above the middle class.

    The reason is that poor whites do not live in dense urban areas so that a school cannot be zoned to only include poor whites. In smaller cities there are fewer schools that everyone in town will go to one of the few.

  60. I think it’s outstanding that Steve can now regularly just use WaPo / NYT headlines directly as his blog post titles, as those outlets have now become self-satirical.

  61. @Gary in Gramercy
    @kaganovitch

    "Now we see the violence inherent in the system."

    https://youtu.be/uxu7xLp4pnY

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Denis the peasant is more Jew than black though.

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @Twinkie

    He was working with his hands, in the muck though. This makes him pretty white. But those ideas he has! Maybe he just watches lots of TV, or went to college.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  62. @Altai
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXmjbTEY77g


    They do show the guy's face, but only very briefly. If it had been a white rapist his face (Along with his middle name) would have been in your face.

    They also name a few other white woman joggers who got killed or raped by almost all black guys but don't show the pictures or name the race of their attackers, just the locations to give an outsized sense of threat to women in general by men in general.

    Replies: @Chebyshev

    Women in the City should relocate to small towns upstate. Much safer, and there are nice natural areas.

  63. @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @Alfa158

    I use Urban Dictionary when I'm feeling "L7" and clueless. You should try it.

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=English

    Replies: @Alfa158

    Thanks that was useful. Some of the terms must still be confusing. I saw that a knitter can be either a Gay or a Black. I would be careful about addressing someone by that name given you may get an unexpected reaction depending on how the knitter interprets the word.

  64. @Muggles
    @Abe

    Migo is the name of Takeoff's rap group ( with two other relatives I believe).

    Funko is some kind of plastic doll made in the likeness of various hipsters.

    Knitters, that's a new one but probably is some slang for Black! gangbangers.

    I'm sure someone else can elaborate or correct.

    I too have wondered why some 22 YO who probably made at least a quarter million or more (after tax even!) in his rap career would be shooting dice with losers in some bowling alley/bar at 2:30 AM.

    Like some Damon Runyon short story character gangster in the 1920s. That's been a dimwit cliche for decades.

    As I live in the local area, still no word on who did him in. Though there is dramatic video of that, so I've been told. Relatives have complained about that being "disrespectful" and all. Evidently some of the comments on that aren't very nice. Another cultural element of our Present Era.

    Very appropriate for today's iSteve column. Why can't wealthy black men, young often, refrain from criminal behavior or getting involved with lowlifes? Too many end up dealing drugs or gang activity. Not uncommon among former pro athletes. I guess investing in real estate is just too Jewish for them. Or learn to code!

    Usually, at least in my day, White males stopped trying to be a "cool hood" near high school graduation time. Reality starts to sink in. Maybe with these Blacks! they never outgrow their insecurity over being a high school dweeb, no matter how rich.

    RIP Takeoff.

    Should have listened to Mama warn about hanging around those sketchy "friends" and all. Get a real job, get a wife who will no doubt, demand that you'll be home by midnight.

    Too late now.

    Replies: @Kylie, @Reg Cæsar, @Abe

    Very appropriate for today’s iSteve column. Why can’t wealthy black men, young often, refrain from criminal behavior or getting involved with lowlifes?

    Whites, especially the higher up the socioeconomic ladder they ascend, have no [email protected] clue what blacks are really like or what makes them tick, a problem compounded by certain blacks’ successful adoption (cf. Obama, Will Smith’s character in SIX DEGREES OF SEPARATION) of the ecological niche strategy of parroting all the iciest of icy founding-stock high-WASP mannerisms such as thoughtful restraint, elegant fastidiousness, quietly hurt dignity in the face of insult, etc. in an effort to secure said high-status whites’ patronage against lower-class/deplorable whites who rub actual elbows with them and thus are frequent victims of black predation.

    When our kids were younger and our social life became basically an appendix to theirs- i.e. most of the adults we hung out were other parents we met working the play date/kiddy birthday party/T-ball league circuits, I was reminded for the first time in a while that when it comes to people there are simply all sorts out there. Not all people greet the day generally happy and content! Not all people can abide life without an excessive amount of constant stimulation!

    Such truisms apply in spades (heh) to many suddenly-rich ghetto blacks (and sadly, often the regressed-to-the-mean offspring of accomplished black professionals as well)- they are bored and restless in their safe, quiet whitetopias and desperately crave the companionship of other knitters, which they seek out in urban night clubs, etc. that return them to the social orbit and under the social thumb of the sort of ghetto lowlifes they had previously fled.

    See, it’s not that they need or even want to resort to criminal activities that’s the problem. It’s that willingness to engage in such behaviors as well as ancillary ones like threats and actual displays of extreme physical dominance (i.e. assault and battery) is the ultimate currency in this millieu, trumping even wealth or celebrity in the larger (white) world. The rapper Drake, probably the most successful hip-hop artist of the last 10 years next to Kanye, is constantly addressing the disses he receives in the clubs from “real knitters” for being a “[email protected]”.

    Just look at this video of Scottie Pippen, the 2nd or 3rd best player in the NBA of the entire 90’s, getting slapped around. Pippen may have been “alpha dog” by the rules of the dopey highly-officiated professional sportsball world followed by the larger (white) society, but on the streets and in the clubs dozens of status-hungry knitters were ready to elevate their social position by dominating him unless he was prepared to take the risky, semilicit steps necessary to hold his ground (which in many instances then leads to cases of fatal gunplay).

    • Thanks: Ben the Layabout
  65. Alternate headline to “Poor white kids are less likely to go to prison than rich black kids”

    “Poor white kids less likely to commit crimes than rich black kids”

  66. The families of George Floyd, Michael Brown and other blacks killed by police must all be millionaires by now. I wonder how they’re performing crime-wise.

  67. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    I've spend a fair amount of time in the vicinity of Brunswick (in the summer) and while it's a lovely little town for its size (and the Bowdoin campus is lovely), its size (20k people for the town, 2k for the college) is not very big. It's an attractive place if you are into outdoor living, sailing, etc. but not so much if you are an urban type. Drinking is also a popular hobby.

    BTW, native Maine whites, although they are white people and not as violent as blacks, can be pretty low class themselves - issues with alcohol, drugs, etc. Not all white people are the same. Maine whites are a notch above W. Va. whites but distinctly below Mass. whites. A lot of Maine whites are of French Canadian descent and the French Canadians themselves were once upon a time a pretty proletarian bunch.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Alden, @Graveldips, @Reg Cæsar, @Brutusale

    BTW, native Maine whites, although they are white people and not as violent as blacks, can be pretty low class themselves – issues with alcohol, drugs, etc. Not all white people are the same. Maine whites are a notch above W. Va. whites but distinctly below Mass. whites.

    Agree. I’m not all that familiar with Maine but these same sorts of issues are evident in my Iowa heimat, and even within my own middle class family.

    Even beyond different ethnic groups–herding and mountain people (like the Scots-Irish, Irish) tend be quite a bit more “troublesome” than settled agriculturalists (like Anglos and Germans). (The Jews obviously have a herding origin but are known for the smarts they evolved as a middleman minority–and I’d say the destruction of the 2nd temple and the supremacy of rabbinic Judaism giving literacy high status was an additional push.)

    Even beyond these innate differences two big things have happened:
    — out migration from agricultural regions to larger, especially coastal, metros
    — breakdown of traditional Christian morality/norms.

    In my mom’s generation two of smartest kids (including her) made their lives in major metros outside Iowa. Among my cousins probably the smartest outside of me and my brother are lawyers in East coast metros.

    The cousins’ kids are generally doing ok–mostly urban and outside Iowa. The smartest (my son aside) doctors in major metros. But I had a cousin–a terrific all-American boy type growing up–who volunteered to fly helicopters in Vietnam. He returned with a chest full of medals (a DFC, two Bronze stars and four Purple Hearts) but not in good shape either physically or mentally and was not around to father his daughter properly. And she has succumbed to the common the post-Christian breakdown–multiple illegitimate children from different fathers.

    I still know some very sharp on the ball people still in rural Iowa. But on the whole, I’ve little doubt it–and other parts of rural America–are less smart and on the ball than they used to be, as well as beset with more maldies from post-Christian societal breakdown.

    But simply being a white area is going to have more and more appeal as America further browns–Latinoizes. Personally, I’d opt more for Montana, Idaho, Steve’s Spokane, that sort of thing, where the base population is Anglo-Germanic and there is pull from excellent outdoor scenery/amenities. But all white areas will become more appealing as whites become increasingly scarce.

    • Agree: ArthurinCali
    • Replies: @Muggles
    @AnotherDad


    I’d opt more for Montana, Idaho, Steve’s Spokane, that sort of thing, where the base population is Anglo-Germanic and there is pull from excellent outdoor scenery/amenities.
     
    In the post Era of Floyd real estate rush from diversity, real estate prices in those areas have zoomed upwards. Some of the highest increases found. Now the Fed and interest rates have stopped that cold for the moment. Prices decreasing. So move now if you plan on that.

    Also very cold winters and not-much- to-do-but-hunt-and-fish gets very old. Women not as keen on that as men. Some skiing but the affluent can fly to Colorado or wherever anyway.

    I'm from that vicinity and those places are very small. Even Spokane has only a few hundred thousand, so it is a major center for medical care, Most other places are a couple hundred thousand or less. Many under 100K or even much smaller. Good medical care scarce.

    If you have lived in such a place, you realize you've visited every eating establishment in a month and been to all of the shops, stores, grocery places, etc. within six months. Very little cultural entertainment. Also, it takes a full day of flying, or two or three to drive to civilization where it doesn't freeze 6 months of the year. Many get bored and tire quickly of the gloomy cold weather and early dark.

    Summers are great. Lasts about three months.

    But a lot of meth up there now (and fentanyl) so low class whites, formerly just drunks, are now drunks and thieving addicts. Next door to my old home, the two beautiful daughters there were both murdered by their White boyfriends for no good reason, obviously. Tragic.

    The ones I grew up with there, with a few exceptions, are not the best or brightest. Many are moochers or live off others in various ways. Low class is low class.

    Maybe not as dangerous as the fully "vibrant" places, but small, isolated and full crazy loners and misfits. Good areas quite close to semi Unibomber types.

    Also, in general, people are pretty poor. Like Maine, many only work seasonally and live in marginal conditions. When your town is 30,000 people, you are next to everyone.

    Nearly everyone is White, but some not so good. Also, unlike your post, the people are not mainly Germanic. Mining brought in a lot of different people (Eastern Europe, etc.) The original few settlers as farmers were Norwegians and Swedes. They are okay, when sober, but are politically naive and easily led down the St. George path.

    Also many Mormons. They are okay but clannish. You won't get the "discount" and if you like Jews, you'll love Mormons...(though usually not as smart.)

    Replies: @mc23, @AnotherDad

    , @Alden
    @AnotherDad

    Idaho Eastern WA state Wyoming Dakotas have a lot of Eastern Europeans recruited in the late 19th century.

    , @That Would Be Telling
    @AnotherDad


    But simply being a white area is going to have more and more appeal as America further browns–Latinoizes. Personally, I’d opt more for Montana, Idaho....
     
    Let me add my usual warning about Idaho. The establishment there is so terrified of its reputation as a haven for white [fill in the blank] they won't be on your side in the off chance you have a bad interaction with browns or blacks. For the latest atrocity except this time aligned on LBGTQUERTY and World War T see the persecution of Patriot Front would be counter-protesters in a county that's only two down from the northernmost one where Ruby Ridge is located.

    Will also confirm what you and @Muggles say about pathological whites, I've retired to my home town in deep Red state flyover country and while the bulk of murders are done by the few blacks here or "visiting," the area's very worst murders are all or almost all done by local whites. Drug dealing or petty feuds, or just plain crazy and criminal. The police are also not particularly on our side, although they are very tolerant or better of armed citizens.
    , @Anonymous
    @AnotherDad

    "Post-Christian"? Wtf are you babbling about? Christianity has SURGED in rural America. It didn't used to be full of bible thumping ttlrumptard idiots. It used to be more moderate, politically and religiously. Christianity caused the downfall of rural America.

    , @Ben the Layabout
    @AnotherDad

    Some of the change you've described is largely the theme of Charles Murray's book Coming Apart. Rather than post-Christian, he attributes many of the changes of society to what he calls cognitive sorting, a much stronger valuation of native intelligence or, especially, higher education, than was the norm generations ago. Advanced education was so highly valued that it tended to drain the most talented from the hinterlands into the big cities from which, as a rule, few ever returned to the boondocks.
    Society became more status conscious. As Murray tells it, the rich did not distance themselves as far from the common folk way back, as came to be the case later. One example of this, not sure if it appears in this book, is the ratio between a large corporation's average workers and the top management. 80 years ago that ratio might have been 10:1. Today? Probably more like 100:1. Or, if you'd like to use more Biblical imagery, more people chose to worship Mammon.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  68. @Tiny Duck
    @Almost Missouri

    white males commit more crimes than any other demographic by far.

    https://www.al.com/news/2022/10/tubervilles-reparations-remark-ignores-fact-white-people-commit-most-crimes.html

    Read Leonard Pitts

    Replies: @interesting, @Muggles, @Wade Hampton, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Where are the videos Tiny?

    I recently saw another video if a black man acting badly and they caught the dude……it was his 18th arrest? I’ve never meet a white dude that’s been arrested 18 times.

    As a matter of fact BART stopped showing videos of perps because they didn’t want to “re-enforce racial stereotypes” so is your claim that it was most if not all white folks since, as you say, they committed the most crimes and they didn’t want to promote your claim of the white violent perpetrator ?

    • Agree: mc23
    • Replies: @Prester John
    @interesting

    I've long since eschewed responding to the mini-mallard. It only encourages him more.

  69. @Prester John
    Years ago, back when I used to read the Sunday Gray Hag magazine, there was a story about some model black kid in Harlem who was a straight-A student at Phillips Exeter and was being groomed for the Ivies (where else?). Eventually he wound up in jail, convicted of participating in a homicide along with several other companions. I seem to recall the victim as a police officer but I could be wrong.

    Notwithstanding all the external trappings of respectability he still couldn't resist the lure of "de 'hood."

    Replies: @houston 1992, @houston 1992, @Almost Missouri

    Jan 23 1986 NYT

    Jonah Perry was acquitted yesterday of mugging a plainclothes police officer in an incident that led to the killing of his younger brother, Edmund, a youth from the streets of Harlem who won honors at Phillips Exeter Academy.

    At 2:30 P.M., after four hours of deliberation, the jury in State Supreme Court in Manhattan announced that it had found Jonah Perry, a 19-year-old Cornell University sophomore, not guilty of assaulting and trying to rob Officer Lee Van Houten on Morningside Heights last June 12.

    The jury’s verdict seemed to conflict with the decision by a grand jury last summer not to bring any charges against Officer Van Houten. And in doing so, the new jury left a number of questions about who did what in the troubling case – a case involving two outstanding Harlem youths and a police officer with an unblemished record. Accusations of ‘Frame-Up’

    From the outset, the Perry family and its lawyers portrayed the incident as a racially motivated ”murder” of Edmund, who was 17, followed by a ”frame-up” by the Police Department and the Manhattan District Attorney’s office. The Perry family is black; Officer Van Houten, who is 25, is white……”

    https://www.newblackmaninexile.net/2012/02/still-best-intentions-edmund-perry-case.html

    https://www.exeter.edu/news/lessons-learn-life-and-death-eddie-perry

    • Thanks: Prester John
  70. @Renard

    there is little agreement on why.


     

    Ah, those halcyon days of 2016, when it was still permissible to disagree about something --without having your life ruined I mean.

    Can anyone remember back that far? We definitely didn't know how good we had it.

    Replies: @Rob McX

    And in six years’ time, we’ll probably be looking back at 2022 and marvelling at the freedom of expression that was still allowed.

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @Rob McX

    That's a genuinely scary thought

  71. @Almost Missouri

    Poor White Kids Are Less Likely to Go to Prison Than Rich Black Kids
     
    As is their wont, the WaPo left out an intermediate step.

    More complete headline:

    Poor White Kids Are Less Likely to Commit a Crime and Go to Prison Than Rich Black Kids

    Or if WaPo wants to to stick with their original phraseology, perhaps they arrange quick and easy prison visits or tours for poor white kids to" close the gap".

    Replies: @bgates, @Prester John, @JimDandy, @J.Ross, @kaganovitch, @Tiny Duck, @AnotherDad

    This data–and man that graph is terrific, forward this post to your kids!

    This data undeniably nukes all the “nurture” sociological b.s. and political lying we’re heard from the usual suspects for the last 60 years–“opportunity”, “inferior schools”, “lower income”, “bad neighborhoods”, “environment racism”, “lead paint” ….

    Nope. Get rid of all those factors and give black kids the same high incomes, good neighborhoods, good housing, good schools as their elite white peers … and their criminal propensity is still 5-10X.

    The only reason the NYT could publish it, is that since the modern wokening they’ve moved on from “bad nurture” to essentially non-falsifiable magical incantations–“structural racism!”. Somehow even in the leafiest ‘burbs and best most PC schools … the magical ether of “racism” just grabs a hold of black kids and forces them to become criminals. All very feminine and post-rational.

    But to rational people, the graph tells the tale. Nurture rebuked. Send this one on to your kids.

  72. @Prester John
    Years ago, back when I used to read the Sunday Gray Hag magazine, there was a story about some model black kid in Harlem who was a straight-A student at Phillips Exeter and was being groomed for the Ivies (where else?). Eventually he wound up in jail, convicted of participating in a homicide along with several other companions. I seem to recall the victim as a police officer but I could be wrong.

    Notwithstanding all the external trappings of respectability he still couldn't resist the lure of "de 'hood."

    Replies: @houston 1992, @houston 1992, @Almost Missouri

    another NYT piece: testimony and x-exam of the police officer who fired the fatal shot …

    https://www.nytimes.com/1986/01/14/nyregion/officer-tells-of-shooting-honors-student-to-death.html

  73. @Prester John
    Years ago, back when I used to read the Sunday Gray Hag magazine, there was a story about some model black kid in Harlem who was a straight-A student at Phillips Exeter and was being groomed for the Ivies (where else?). Eventually he wound up in jail, convicted of participating in a homicide along with several other companions. I seem to recall the victim as a police officer but I could be wrong.

    Notwithstanding all the external trappings of respectability he still couldn't resist the lure of "de 'hood."

    Replies: @houston 1992, @houston 1992, @Almost Missouri

    Probably Edmund Perry, who teamed up with his also groomed-for-prep-school brother to attack a lone white guy one night after basketball for some quick cash. The white guy turned out to be a plainclothes police officer though, so he was armed and shot Perry.

    The usual suspects attempted to make a Trayvon Martin/George Floyd situation out it, but the Perry brothers were too obviously at fault.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Edmund_Perry

    • Thanks: Prester John
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Almost Missouri

    It was a sort of a nostalgic "let's do it for old time's sake" robbery when he was visiting the old neighborhood and was with his brother. Maybe he was rusty and didn't remember to only pick on old ladies or maybe they relished the challenge of taking on a young white guy.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Almost Missouri

    There's a big advantage being a cop on the other end of a deal like this. The boys in blue will be on your side. That's especially important when this sort of thing happens nowadays, as the whole Establishment is one-sided.

    , @Polistra
    @Almost Missouri


    The front-page headline of the New York Post the next day was "COP KILLS HARLEM HONOR STUDENT". The Village Voice suggested that Perry was shot because he was "too black for his own good"
     
    Pretty funny: The NY Post was woke but the Village Voice called it proper.

    Adrienne Rich's poem "Yom Kippur 1984" contains a line about the killing of Edmund Perry: "young scholar shot at the university gates on a summer evening walk, his prizes and studies nothing, nothing availing his Blackness."
     
    No comment.
    , @Joe Stalin
    @Almost Missouri

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SbTwN1Zd78

    , @Nicholas Stix
    @Almost Missouri

    "The usual suspects attempted to make a Trayvon Martin/George Floyd situation out it, but the Perry brothers were too obviously at fault."

    AM, I don't think the issue was that the Perrys were "too obviously at fault." We have seen so many cases in which black would-be killers were obviously at fault, yet that didn't help their victims. The essential difference between then and now is that every institution has been saturated with black supremacists and White allies. Thus, it takes the rare White with incredible courage in such settings, e.g., St. Louis County DA Robert McCulloch, to refrain from seeking to railroad innocent Whites.

  74. @Alden
    I just skimmed it for a few paragraphs. Did it mention exactly who commits crimes? Kids what is meant by kids? Under 12? 12&13? 14-16? 17?? In the bad old days those kids would go to juvenile hall then maybe a group home maybe youth authority reform schools. The concept of juvenile crime was destroyed decades ago by the ever eager Legal Aid Foundations that won court case after court case. So it’s to the point that under 18s can’t be arrested or detained till they kill or seriously injury someone. To the point of permanent disability.

    What does WAPO mean by kids and prisons? 15 year olds in detention for a week before being let out with counseling , curfew and back to school? Or 25 year old murderers in a real state prison?

    In the olden day’s those juvenile reform schools were called wayward boys industrial schools. They were prisons. But they learned useful trades and mechanical skills. So even if they didn’t make it into a union, they could always make a living as handymen. . Now they get a retard level regular useless high school curriculum.

    The good old days when wayward girls were sent off to reform school for running away from incestous fathers etc. There was one near Santa Rosa Ca. The girls were taught typing shorthand book keeping office machinery maintaince filing and office management. Obsolete skills now. All very valuable 70-30 years ago.

    So they were ready for the job market.

    The insanity of DC liberals. They work and live in one of the blackest highest crime lowest school scores parts of the country. They are affected by black crime all the time. It’s getting better because non black immigrants are moving in.

    Far back as WW2 the marines at the Anacostia base we’re under orders never to leave the base alone. Always two or more. Plus maps of safe routes to the rest of DC shuttle buses so they wouldn’t have to walk through the black neighborhood.

    Foreign diplomats used to call DC Africa. And not just because of the climate.

    Liberals are insane.

    Replies: @Muggles, @Anonymous

    The insanity of DC liberals. They work and live in one of the blackest highest crime lowest school scores parts of the country.

    No, liberal whites live in Georgetown (a fairly distinct rich white enclave) or certain other enclaves (NW I think) where high prices keep neighbors mostly friendly. The DC cops know where to police and where to avoid.

    Likewise liberals don’t send their kids to DC public schools. Many private and/or religious private options.

    The poorer ones (Whites) live in adjacent mostly White northern Virginia suburbs, which vote monolithically for the Comrades. But their schools are mainly non black and neighborhoods also non “diverse.” Some live in farther away Maryland suburbs which again, are mostly for affluent government parasites who can afford that and the commute.

    The Mean Streets of DC are rarely seen by said liberals. The Metro likewise is very heavily policed and not like the garbage, rat, and zombie infested ones in NYC.

    Still some Seth Rich types get mysteriously murdered even though in “good areas.” “Nothing to see here” folks, we are told about that.

    (Either gay trick gone bad or too much info on La Hillary & Company. Take your guess…)

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Muggles

    Yeah yeah yeah, I know all that especially the private schools and drivers so their kids don’t have to take public transit. That want my point at all.

    All these politicians may be protected in White enclaves and Whute private schools and drivers for the kids. They’re not mugged and murdered. But it’s still one of the blackest and most dangerous cites in the country. Guests at 4&5 star hotels mugged right in front if the hotel.

    Capitol area is safer now. But it wasn’t very long ago that all the senators and congress critters had cab and car services for their staffers to drive them home or to the subway.

    No matter how rich you are, if you live in a black high crime city like DC you’re aware of black crime. Even if you successfully protect yourself from it.

    Remember that Mayor of Chicago? An Israeli dual citizen one of Obama’s White House aides? think his name was Rahm Emmanuel. They lived in the very wealthy far north right on the lake neighborhood Lakeview. His son was mugged by 3 black thugs.

    I know all about how big city rich people protect themselves and their families from crime. We aren’t affected but we know all about black crime. Some acknowledge black crime.

    Others like Supreme Court justices senators congress critter’s cabinet secretaries and assistant deputy cabinet secretaries live in and around DC And aid abet and encourage black crime in DC.

    Those negro living presidents VPs Supreme Court justices senators congress critter cabinet secretaries deputy cabinet secretaries generals and admirals didn’t start out in those positions.

    Many started out as low paid entry level people who took cabs they couldn’t afford because of crime on public transit. And very high crime right outside the Capitol building and other USA government department headquarters. Crime in DC is down. Because immigrants are coming in and blacks are leaving. For 700k to 2 million houses in Prince George county MD. Which is becoming typical high crime lie school test scores.

    My friend who works at Saks Beverly Hills tells me walk in customers are declining. Phone and on line sales increasing. Because the customers are scared of the BLM riots and the homeless. Rich city people protecting themselves.

    Replies: @Cutter, @cityview

    , @cityview
    @Muggles

    No, some liberal DC residents do indeed use the DCPS, and they always have. If you mean the most famous and wealthy, like the Obamas and the Clintons, then no; but if you mean anyone who lives in Northwest and has voted for Democrats, then yes, some of them do.

    Georgetown is mostly very affluent but is by no means without crime. Many of its homeowners do not live there full-time. As with many areas of the District, its streets can be dark and deserted at night, and fairly empty even in the daytime other than the main shopping streets.

    I don't think the subway is heavily policed, although it isn't generally as fearsome as some on here think. You do need to use judgment about where you are going.

    A lot of crime in the District in recent years is indeed seen by "liberals," since they moved into and bought homes in formerly iffy neighborhoods toward the center of the city that have reverted somewhat to their higher-crime status. These neighborhoods have trees and yards and look harmless, not mean for the most part. I think a lot of people on here think Washington DC looks like the former Cabrini-Green, or other massive, hulking housing complexes. It has never looked remotely like that. Most of it is low-rise, low-density, and unremarkable. Keep in mind that many committing crimes there no longer live in the city or are homeless. In no way am I excusing the crimes by saying this.

    , @Ben the Layabout
    @Muggles

    Muggles's comments sound correct. Washington, D.C. is unusual in many ways. One of those not widely known except to locals is the dramatic gentrification of the past few decades. Some of this renaissance is due to the never-ending growth of the Federal government and its tentacles of course, but also the desire to avoid spending four hours per day commuting plays a big role.

    From ~1970-80, White share was as low as 28% and Black as high as 71% [Source: Wikipedia] Now Blacks are just 45% and of course, by far the major source of crime. I could not find recent homicide statistics by race, not surprising since the Liberals don't like advertise failure. Other than the infrequent very odd murder of a political staffer, substantially all the violent crime in our Nation's Crappin' Hole is perpetrated by Blacks.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  75. @Tiny Duck
    @Almost Missouri

    white males commit more crimes than any other demographic by far.

    https://www.al.com/news/2022/10/tubervilles-reparations-remark-ignores-fact-white-people-commit-most-crimes.html

    Read Leonard Pitts

    Replies: @interesting, @Muggles, @Wade Hampton, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    white males commit more crimes than any other demographic by far.

    Per capita, no.

    But that’s math so you don’t understand it…

    • LOL: Mark G.
  76. How they define wealth seems a bit lame. “Only the very wealthiest black youth — those whose household wealth in 1985 exceeded $69,000 in 2012 dollars ” That is chump change. Wealth remains the greatest prison diversion program in America, regardless of race. Lets start with net worth of more than $2 million. How many rich Blacks or Hispanics are being herded into prison regardless of what they do or don’t do?

    We need look no further than NFL players. They are all millionaires and regularly commit rapes, robberies, etc. yet they get the same results as rich white people. https://databases.usatoday.com/nfl-arrests/

    The reality is race has little to do with who gets convicted of crimes in America and sent to prison. Wealth controls everything and the only color that matters in court is green.

    If you think “the very wealthiest” of black people have household wealth of $69k you are living in the same housing project as the other poor folks. Sean Combs, Michael Jackson, OJ Simpson, Lil Wayne, et al., can all afford rich white man’s justice.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @prison expert


    Wealth remains the greatest prison diversion program in America, regardless of race.
     
    Clearly wrong if rich blacks go to jail more than much poorer whites.

    Consider your parole cancelled and fuck of back inside.
    , @Alden
    @prison expert

    So 70k is rich? Gross or take home? . An illegal alien couple make that. She as a maid he as a mover/Gardner/handyman/recycler/ amateur mechanic/ bike repairer/ unlicensed car dealer.

    Bus driving is a classic black occupation. Big city unionized bus drivers make 150K after a few years. Base plus night and weekend differential and over time, working on holidays pay.

  77. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    BTW, native Maine whites, although they are white people and not as violent as blacks, can be pretty low class themselves – issues with alcohol, drugs, etc. Not all white people are the same. Maine whites are a notch above W. Va. whites but distinctly below Mass. whites.
     
    Agree. I'm not all that familiar with Maine but these same sorts of issues are evident in my Iowa heimat, and even within my own middle class family.

    Even beyond different ethnic groups--herding and mountain people (like the Scots-Irish, Irish) tend be quite a bit more "troublesome" than settled agriculturalists (like Anglos and Germans). (The Jews obviously have a herding origin but are known for the smarts they evolved as a middleman minority--and I'd say the destruction of the 2nd temple and the supremacy of rabbinic Judaism giving literacy high status was an additional push.)

    Even beyond these innate differences two big things have happened:
    -- out migration from agricultural regions to larger, especially coastal, metros
    -- breakdown of traditional Christian morality/norms.

    In my mom's generation two of smartest kids (including her) made their lives in major metros outside Iowa. Among my cousins probably the smartest outside of me and my brother are lawyers in East coast metros.

    The cousins' kids are generally doing ok--mostly urban and outside Iowa. The smartest (my son aside) doctors in major metros. But I had a cousin--a terrific all-American boy type growing up--who volunteered to fly helicopters in Vietnam. He returned with a chest full of medals (a DFC, two Bronze stars and four Purple Hearts) but not in good shape either physically or mentally and was not around to father his daughter properly. And she has succumbed to the common the post-Christian breakdown--multiple illegitimate children from different fathers.

    I still know some very sharp on the ball people still in rural Iowa. But on the whole, I've little doubt it--and other parts of rural America--are less smart and on the ball than they used to be, as well as beset with more maldies from post-Christian societal breakdown.


    But simply being a white area is going to have more and more appeal as America further browns--Latinoizes. Personally, I'd opt more for Montana, Idaho, Steve's Spokane, that sort of thing, where the base population is Anglo-Germanic and there is pull from excellent outdoor scenery/amenities. But all white areas will become more appealing as whites become increasingly scarce.

    Replies: @Muggles, @Alden, @That Would Be Telling, @Anonymous, @Ben the Layabout

    I’d opt more for Montana, Idaho, Steve’s Spokane, that sort of thing, where the base population is Anglo-Germanic and there is pull from excellent outdoor scenery/amenities.

    In the post Era of Floyd real estate rush from diversity, real estate prices in those areas have zoomed upwards. Some of the highest increases found. Now the Fed and interest rates have stopped that cold for the moment. Prices decreasing. So move now if you plan on that.

    Also very cold winters and not-much- to-do-but-hunt-and-fish gets very old. Women not as keen on that as men. Some skiing but the affluent can fly to Colorado or wherever anyway.

    I’m from that vicinity and those places are very small. Even Spokane has only a few hundred thousand, so it is a major center for medical care, Most other places are a couple hundred thousand or less. Many under 100K or even much smaller. Good medical care scarce.

    If you have lived in such a place, you realize you’ve visited every eating establishment in a month and been to all of the shops, stores, grocery places, etc. within six months. Very little cultural entertainment. Also, it takes a full day of flying, or two or three to drive to civilization where it doesn’t freeze 6 months of the year. Many get bored and tire quickly of the gloomy cold weather and early dark.

    Summers are great. Lasts about three months.

    But a lot of meth up there now (and fentanyl) so low class whites, formerly just drunks, are now drunks and thieving addicts. Next door to my old home, the two beautiful daughters there were both murdered by their White boyfriends for no good reason, obviously. Tragic.

    The ones I grew up with there, with a few exceptions, are not the best or brightest. Many are moochers or live off others in various ways. Low class is low class.

    Maybe not as dangerous as the fully “vibrant” places, but small, isolated and full crazy loners and misfits. Good areas quite close to semi Unibomber types.

    Also, in general, people are pretty poor. Like Maine, many only work seasonally and live in marginal conditions. When your town is 30,000 people, you are next to everyone.

    Nearly everyone is White, but some not so good. Also, unlike your post, the people are not mainly Germanic. Mining brought in a lot of different people (Eastern Europe, etc.) The original few settlers as farmers were Norwegians and Swedes. They are okay, when sober, but are politically naive and easily led down the St. George path.

    Also many Mormons. They are okay but clannish. You won’t get the “discount” and if you like Jews, you’ll love Mormons…(though usually not as smart.)

    • Thanks: Renard
    • Replies: @mc23
    @Muggles

    Sounds like the area of upstate New York were one of my sons lives. Beautiful area. Lots meth heads there but the others, poor Whites getting by. Most of the industry has left. The people are friendly but figures of fun to my youngest son when we visit. I point out to the snarky youngest child that the people are decent but the opportunities are poor. America doesn’t take care of its own. The native sons are strangers in a familiar land.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Muggles

    Thanks Muggles, I've been through/visited but never lived anywhere in this area.


    If you have lived in such a place, you realize you’ve visited every eating establishment in a month and been to all of the shops, stores, grocery places, etc. within six months. Very little cultural entertainment. Also, it takes a full day of flying, or two or three to drive to civilization where it doesn’t freeze 6 months of the year. Many get bored and tire quickly of the gloomy cold weather and early dark.
     
    To none of this matters to me. Big league sports either. But some people seem to need "something to do", some distraction.

    To the historic disadvantages of small town life--if you have a job--have mostly evaporated. The conversation and the library are now at your fingertips. The new disadvantages are the societal breakdown issues--dumber people now, dumber behavior and drugs.


    The small town in Iowa I visit regularly has basically zero places to eat--well the Casey's convenience store. There are maybe a dozen in the larger town nearby and all the surrounding towns. I've been to most all of them. The last visit we did this and that and stopped at a couple places that were closed on Monday ... then ate at the same place we'd done the previous day. Just ordered something different. Good both times.

    People used to cook for themselves, now sometimes I think America died because people wanted "restaurant diversity".

    Replies: @Muggles

  78. @George
    "top 1% - millionaires -"

    Maybe a millionaire in 2010 isn't that impressive? I also suspect that the urban centered inflation of real estate values meant a fair number of people living in urban areas were millionaires more due to luck, sort of like lottery winners. The top 1% of Black wealthy were probably there due to luck more often than other groups.

    Did Chetty run the numbers by state? I am kind of thinking inner city Blacks vs rural whites on crime. Did Chetty do an analysis of the jobs reported on 1040s by top 1% Blacks vs others?

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Mr. Peabody

    Is that millionaires by total net asset value? (Including their house?) That would include a lot of us. That would include a lot of ordinary slobs. It means next to nothing.

    Millionaires by annual income? That would be something.

    Millionaires by liquid assets? That would kind of separate the men from the boys.

    Millionaires by cash in the bank? That would indicate the fools stupid enough to keep it that way, unless they are truly so rich they can afford to keep that many dollars-as-dollars in a friggin’ bank.

    Millionaires by equities? That would be good, but only as of today’s market valuation.

    A million isn’t what it used to be.

  79. OT
    Excellent in-depth Atlantic article on why Hispanics are ditching Democratic party. BUT writer ignores a big reason: the party’s love affair with blacks.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2022/11/hispanic-voters-fleeing-democratic-party/671851/

  80. @Almost Missouri
    @Prester John

    Probably Edmund Perry, who teamed up with his also groomed-for-prep-school brother to attack a lone white guy one night after basketball for some quick cash. The white guy turned out to be a plainclothes police officer though, so he was armed and shot Perry.

    The usual suspects attempted to make a Trayvon Martin/George Floyd situation out it, but the Perry brothers were too obviously at fault.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Edmund_Perry

    Replies: @Jack D, @Achmed E. Newman, @Polistra, @Joe Stalin, @Nicholas Stix

    It was a sort of a nostalgic “let’s do it for old time’s sake” robbery when he was visiting the old neighborhood and was with his brother. Maybe he was rusty and didn’t remember to only pick on old ladies or maybe they relished the challenge of taking on a young white guy.

  81. All of this hinges on the idea that all people from every cohort, every race, every ancestry, every ethnicity, every background…

    Every genetic reality…

    Have the same potential, the same strengths and weaknesses — on average. (Blank Slate!)

    The legalist tool, disparate impact is based entirely on this premise.

    Statistical analyses like the kind that our blog host applies prove that this is not the case. Averaged out, different groups of humans have different potentials. Yes, we know that. It should be obvious to anyone who bothers to read.

    But, of course, here we read from the bible of our current times. Something must be wrong if rich Blacks! somehow average extremely high prison rates. Call that crime rates. Call that Sub-Saharan African Behavior. Call that the result of 60,000 years of separate evolution resulting in Human BioDiversity.

    This will never change. This is genetics. This is why this is only discussed on what is marginally now, technically now, an “HBD” blog. This can only be discussed, observed — noticed — here by virtue of the fact that this is a place of honest, real discussion of Human BioDiversity.

    It is not allowed in the religion of blank slate human “equity.”

  82. Over at Severian’s Founding Questions, there’s a good take on the shit-lib amnesty bullshit.

    https://foundingquestions.wordpress.com/

    UPDATE: Adam linked our discussion on the “covid apology” thing, and adds an important point on Leftist psychology:

    The Left has to view our own successful analysis of the Covid events in real time as a giant lucky throw of the dice on our own part. The knowledge that we came to our conclusions via careful objective analysis as well as a healthy distrust of authority is complete anathema to them, for the simple fact that to even edge towards such a conclusion would destroy their worldview in one go. Which is why we have the likes of Scott Adams declaring that we got lucky on our guess about the vaccines, a sure reveal of his own leftyism no matter what types of cartoons he writes.

    Adam really hammers it home here. We Deplorables can’t be correct. About anything. Ever. It’s unpossible, because that’s a big part of what makes us Deplorable — we hate Science ™, so the fact that we were right and Science ™ was wrong really has to be doing a number on their heads.

    He also has the best ever splash screen for the freaks and misfits of the dissident right.

  83. @interesting
    @Tiny Duck

    Where are the videos Tiny?

    I recently saw another video if a black man acting badly and they caught the dude......it was his 18th arrest? I've never meet a white dude that's been arrested 18 times.

    As a matter of fact BART stopped showing videos of perps because they didn't want to "re-enforce racial stereotypes" so is your claim that it was most if not all white folks since, as you say, they committed the most crimes and they didn't want to promote your claim of the white violent perpetrator ?

    Replies: @Prester John

    I’ve long since eschewed responding to the mini-mallard. It only encourages him more.

  84. @Twinkie
    https://www.jbhe.com/latest/news/1-22-09/satracialgapfigure.gif

    Replies: @mc23

    Interesting that the gap is fairly consistent across all income levels.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @mc23


    Interesting that the gap is fairly consistent across all income levels.
     
    What’s notable is that black kids from families that make over $200,o00 - the highest bracket - barely outscore white kids from families that make under $20,000 - the lowest bracket. From the second lowest income bracket and on, white kids outscore the top bracket black kids.

    Replies: @Moses

    , @Ben the Layabout
    @mc23

    At least the wealthiest blacks can brag that their male children's SAT is higher (by a few points) than the lowest income White's.

  85. @prison expert
    How they define wealth seems a bit lame. "Only the very wealthiest black youth — those whose household wealth in 1985 exceeded $69,000 in 2012 dollars " That is chump change. Wealth remains the greatest prison diversion program in America, regardless of race. Lets start with net worth of more than $2 million. How many rich Blacks or Hispanics are being herded into prison regardless of what they do or don't do?

    We need look no further than NFL players. They are all millionaires and regularly commit rapes, robberies, etc. yet they get the same results as rich white people. https://databases.usatoday.com/nfl-arrests/

    The reality is race has little to do with who gets convicted of crimes in America and sent to prison. Wealth controls everything and the only color that matters in court is green.

    If you think "the very wealthiest" of black people have household wealth of $69k you are living in the same housing project as the other poor folks. Sean Combs, Michael Jackson, OJ Simpson, Lil Wayne, et al., can all afford rich white man's justice.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Alden

    Wealth remains the greatest prison diversion program in America, regardless of race.

    Clearly wrong if rich blacks go to jail more than much poorer whites.

    Consider your parole cancelled and fuck of back inside.

  86. @Muggles
    @AnotherDad


    I’d opt more for Montana, Idaho, Steve’s Spokane, that sort of thing, where the base population is Anglo-Germanic and there is pull from excellent outdoor scenery/amenities.
     
    In the post Era of Floyd real estate rush from diversity, real estate prices in those areas have zoomed upwards. Some of the highest increases found. Now the Fed and interest rates have stopped that cold for the moment. Prices decreasing. So move now if you plan on that.

    Also very cold winters and not-much- to-do-but-hunt-and-fish gets very old. Women not as keen on that as men. Some skiing but the affluent can fly to Colorado or wherever anyway.

    I'm from that vicinity and those places are very small. Even Spokane has only a few hundred thousand, so it is a major center for medical care, Most other places are a couple hundred thousand or less. Many under 100K or even much smaller. Good medical care scarce.

    If you have lived in such a place, you realize you've visited every eating establishment in a month and been to all of the shops, stores, grocery places, etc. within six months. Very little cultural entertainment. Also, it takes a full day of flying, or two or three to drive to civilization where it doesn't freeze 6 months of the year. Many get bored and tire quickly of the gloomy cold weather and early dark.

    Summers are great. Lasts about three months.

    But a lot of meth up there now (and fentanyl) so low class whites, formerly just drunks, are now drunks and thieving addicts. Next door to my old home, the two beautiful daughters there were both murdered by their White boyfriends for no good reason, obviously. Tragic.

    The ones I grew up with there, with a few exceptions, are not the best or brightest. Many are moochers or live off others in various ways. Low class is low class.

    Maybe not as dangerous as the fully "vibrant" places, but small, isolated and full crazy loners and misfits. Good areas quite close to semi Unibomber types.

    Also, in general, people are pretty poor. Like Maine, many only work seasonally and live in marginal conditions. When your town is 30,000 people, you are next to everyone.

    Nearly everyone is White, but some not so good. Also, unlike your post, the people are not mainly Germanic. Mining brought in a lot of different people (Eastern Europe, etc.) The original few settlers as farmers were Norwegians and Swedes. They are okay, when sober, but are politically naive and easily led down the St. George path.

    Also many Mormons. They are okay but clannish. You won't get the "discount" and if you like Jews, you'll love Mormons...(though usually not as smart.)

    Replies: @mc23, @AnotherDad

    Sounds like the area of upstate New York were one of my sons lives. Beautiful area. Lots meth heads there but the others, poor Whites getting by. Most of the industry has left. The people are friendly but figures of fun to my youngest son when we visit. I point out to the snarky youngest child that the people are decent but the opportunities are poor. America doesn’t take care of its own. The native sons are strangers in a familiar land.

  87. @dearieme
    Only the very wealthiest ... youth

    Irrespective of colour, are these wealth effects caused by (i) a less exuberant tendency to commit crimes (ii) a more intelligent ability to escape detection, or the capacity of their parents to (iii) hire better lawyers or (iv) bribe policemen, prosecutors, judges, or jurors?

    Replies: @Unintended Consequence, @Lurker

    The upwardly mobile are like hamsters in a wheel. Between school and extracurriculars and elite college admissions, there’s very little time to embark on a life of crime.

  88. Mr. Ehrenfreund doesn’t deserve the name “Max.”

  89. @J.Ross
    OT Now-rare must-read thread at 4chan, tldr, Blackrock uses its power to force businesses to adopt woke policies, which you knew, but update: looking to refuse to pay legitimate insurance money on the grounds that not being woke forfeits your business insurance. The Canadian government attached woke conditions to its lockdown payments. Create the crisis, supply the solution.
    Bonus: a Mexican asks why he should insure his business.
    https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/402846948

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Renard

    Blackrock uses its power to force businesses to adopt woke policies, which you knew, but update: looking to refuse to pay legitimate insurance money…

    Isn’t Blackrock down a cool trillion this year?

    You still gonna come down here and force my behavior, Larry? I’m waiting, tough guy…

    Meanwhile, Lincoln Financial paid out legitimate insurance money for some mysterious reason and posted a $2.6 billion loss and saw their stock crash 30%:

    https://www.thinkadvisor.com/2022/11/03/lincoln-financial-posts-2-6b-loss-on-reserve-and-goodwill-changes/

    Sooooo mysterious….

  90. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    I've spend a fair amount of time in the vicinity of Brunswick (in the summer) and while it's a lovely little town for its size (and the Bowdoin campus is lovely), its size (20k people for the town, 2k for the college) is not very big. It's an attractive place if you are into outdoor living, sailing, etc. but not so much if you are an urban type. Drinking is also a popular hobby.

    BTW, native Maine whites, although they are white people and not as violent as blacks, can be pretty low class themselves - issues with alcohol, drugs, etc. Not all white people are the same. Maine whites are a notch above W. Va. whites but distinctly below Mass. whites. A lot of Maine whites are of French Canadian descent and the French Canadians themselves were once upon a time a pretty proletarian bunch.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Alden, @Graveldips, @Reg Cæsar, @Brutusale

    The low class Whites may be poor unemployed high school drop outs drinkers druggies welfare moms who were raised by raised by welfare moms. But they don’t commit felony crimes the way blacks of all SES do.

    Big difference between class and criminal

    The other thing is that middle income home owning employed blacks are jumped up affirmative action employees. I’ve seen statistics that claim that 85/90 percent of employed blacks work for government non profits and quasi government like schools and hospitals.

    I’m sure some of the young blacks whose grand parents and and parents were well paid government employees are solid middle class.

    But look at the DC and surrounding suburb young blacks whose parents work for the federal government and MD and VA state and local governments. Every black suburb has very low test scores. And high crime Compared to 30 years ago when the suburb was all White. Or the White suburb 2 miles away exact same income same type of jobs high test scores low crime rate.

    Or the state capitals. The states went all out for affirmative action blacks 55 50 years ago. So the state capitals are now low test score high crime towns. Sacramento Ca is getting worse and worse. Isn’t your own state capital Harrisburg high crime high black? Same with St Paul Minn.

    I think some of the lowest crime rates are found in some of the poorest White counties in the country..

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Alden

    I think some of the lowest crime rates are found in some of the poorest White counties in the country.

    There are poor White areas where law enforcement doesn't exist.

    I once visited an old gold rush town where the sheriff was at least 30 minutes away. Most of the gold sifting chutes were still there along with satellite dishes for television and internet.

    White people were still living in these shacks by a river and somehow getting by.

    According to liberal theory they should have all kinds of crime problems because poverty = crime.

    I doubt they even locked their doors.

  91. @Abe
    In related news, aspired Migos rapper Takeoff was murdered in a Texas bowling alley this week. Takeoff was already big enough to have been turned into a Funko before his time of death, unlike Nipsey Hussle. But whether aspired or merely aspiring, all such rappers tend to in the end become commonly aspirated by impromptu lead projectile therapy-

    https://www.tiendamarvel.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Funko-Pop-Migos-Takeoff.jpg

    Which answers this paradox. Regardless of tax bracket or net worth, a significant portion of blacks who have “made it” simply cannot abide mothballing themselves in some mansion in the white suburbs, but must seek out ghetto clubs and other recreational venues to be around “real knitters”, resulting in their eventual murder over a beef, armed robbery attempts of their bling (including home invasion) or else their arraignment over weapons charges due to efforts to protect themselves against the above forementioned outcomes.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @anarchyst, @tyrone, @Alfa158, @Muggles, @Cutter

    ghetto clubs – he was at a bowling alley. Apparently someone argued over a dice game and started shooting, hitting Kirshnik Khari Ball by accident.

    That’s not ghetto, that’s just their culture

  92. Anonymous[213] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden
    I just skimmed it for a few paragraphs. Did it mention exactly who commits crimes? Kids what is meant by kids? Under 12? 12&13? 14-16? 17?? In the bad old days those kids would go to juvenile hall then maybe a group home maybe youth authority reform schools. The concept of juvenile crime was destroyed decades ago by the ever eager Legal Aid Foundations that won court case after court case. So it’s to the point that under 18s can’t be arrested or detained till they kill or seriously injury someone. To the point of permanent disability.

    What does WAPO mean by kids and prisons? 15 year olds in detention for a week before being let out with counseling , curfew and back to school? Or 25 year old murderers in a real state prison?

    In the olden day’s those juvenile reform schools were called wayward boys industrial schools. They were prisons. But they learned useful trades and mechanical skills. So even if they didn’t make it into a union, they could always make a living as handymen. . Now they get a retard level regular useless high school curriculum.

    The good old days when wayward girls were sent off to reform school for running away from incestous fathers etc. There was one near Santa Rosa Ca. The girls were taught typing shorthand book keeping office machinery maintaince filing and office management. Obsolete skills now. All very valuable 70-30 years ago.

    So they were ready for the job market.

    The insanity of DC liberals. They work and live in one of the blackest highest crime lowest school scores parts of the country. They are affected by black crime all the time. It’s getting better because non black immigrants are moving in.

    Far back as WW2 the marines at the Anacostia base we’re under orders never to leave the base alone. Always two or more. Plus maps of safe routes to the rest of DC shuttle buses so they wouldn’t have to walk through the black neighborhood.

    Foreign diplomats used to call DC Africa. And not just because of the climate.

    Liberals are insane.

    Replies: @Muggles, @Anonymous

    Far back as WW2 the marines at the Anacostia base we’re under orders never to leave the base alone.

    Sounds like a lie from someone who never lived in DC because

    * there’s never been a Marine base in Anacostia
    * any base named “Anacostia” is named after the river, not the dodgy neighborhood
    * the dodgy neighborhood was mostly white and not dodgy in the ’40s and ’50s
    * Marines are pussies

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Anonymous

    Wikipedia says that Anacostia permanently houses the local Marine reserve center plus a Marine helicopter squadron, in addition to Army, Navy, Coast Guard, and numerous DoD offices, above and beyond being an Air Force Base. Residents are apparently expected to send their kids to DC public schools. But you knew about the river so yay.

  93. @Alden
    @Kylie

    Here’s what my friend who works st Saks Beverly Hills has to say about those rappers. Saks gets not just the local rappers, but hundreds several times a year for the awards shows. Agents &friends seem to refer them to Saks to buy suits etc for the shows

    Some are so young the only suit they own is the one parents bought for high school prom and graduation.

    So they stream into Saks. My friend says every rapper he has ever served is very middle class. Correct English polite. Comfortable in an expensive store. Not aggressive or bullying. Grateful Saks tailors can do alterations in a couple hours. Grateful to take suggestions from a middle aged clerk about clothes for a very young, newly rich guy.

    His opinion about the young black actors and singers is that most are civilized middle class rather than ghetto. It’s the ghetto rats who get killed. The middle class ones hang out with their normal middle class family and friends and don’t get killed.

    Just one opinion after years of selling clothes to black athletes musicians actors and entertainment people.

    Replies: @Graveldips, @Kylie

    I once had the opportunity to drive an airport shuttle van loaded with the dancing girls who toured with 2 Live Crew. Completely middle class girls, judging from their conversation. But they didn’t tip.

    Recommended movie on the topic: “CB4” (Cell Block 4). Plumber’s son becomes gangsta rapper.

    Hey, spellcheck is down wit the bros. It just accepted “gangsta”.

  94. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    I've spend a fair amount of time in the vicinity of Brunswick (in the summer) and while it's a lovely little town for its size (and the Bowdoin campus is lovely), its size (20k people for the town, 2k for the college) is not very big. It's an attractive place if you are into outdoor living, sailing, etc. but not so much if you are an urban type. Drinking is also a popular hobby.

    BTW, native Maine whites, although they are white people and not as violent as blacks, can be pretty low class themselves - issues with alcohol, drugs, etc. Not all white people are the same. Maine whites are a notch above W. Va. whites but distinctly below Mass. whites. A lot of Maine whites are of French Canadian descent and the French Canadians themselves were once upon a time a pretty proletarian bunch.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Alden, @Graveldips, @Reg Cæsar, @Brutusale

    Carolyn Chute has written novels about those people. “Letourneau’s Used Auto Parts” for one. She’s one of them. Her husband is illiterate. She had some favor with the critics, slamming the White working class and all, until they realized that she actually liked those people. Her book “Snow Man” is about a militia man who secretly moves into Senator John Kerry’s house and beds his wife, the Heinz woman.

  95. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    I've spend a fair amount of time in the vicinity of Brunswick (in the summer) and while it's a lovely little town for its size (and the Bowdoin campus is lovely), its size (20k people for the town, 2k for the college) is not very big. It's an attractive place if you are into outdoor living, sailing, etc. but not so much if you are an urban type. Drinking is also a popular hobby.

    BTW, native Maine whites, although they are white people and not as violent as blacks, can be pretty low class themselves - issues with alcohol, drugs, etc. Not all white people are the same. Maine whites are a notch above W. Va. whites but distinctly below Mass. whites. A lot of Maine whites are of French Canadian descent and the French Canadians themselves were once upon a time a pretty proletarian bunch.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Alden, @Graveldips, @Reg Cæsar, @Brutusale

    Maine whites are a notch above W. Va. whites but distinctly below Mass. whites.

    A Southern poetess who settled there calls her neighbors “hillbillies with a different accent”.

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
    @Reg Cæsar

    I've lived in both WV and Maine, and, nothing against Mainers, but most wouldn't make a pimple on a WV mountaineers arse.

    I have been all over New England, and, before I had spent much time there, thought to settle there. No thanks. People aren't really arseholes, per se-for that go to Philly and DC, but they are weird. Down South there are many weirdos who are also charming. Not NE. There's probably more inbreeding and cousin lovin' going on up there than aywhere down South. And NE has an awful lot of trailer parks. I'd much rather live in a trailer park in Alabama than in Vermont over the winter, although the only time that I 've ever lived in a single wide I was quite comfortable even during a beastly winter in Northern Indiana.

  96. @Ian Smith
    When sheltered liberals do encounter the bottom 75% of black, I wonder how much seeing ghetto behavior makes double down on SJW-ism to ward off crimethink.

    For me, whenever I hear people bang on about the school to prison pipeline or redlining, my first thought is: “Have you EVER interacted with these people!?!”

    Replies: @Kylie

    “When sheltered liberals do encounter the bottom 75% of black, I wonder how much seeing ghetto behavior makes double down on SJW-ism to ward off crimethink.”

    Wonder no more!

    This white woman, a Nobel Prize winning authoress living in Johannesburg, was robbed by four young black males in a home invasion.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/nov/02/books.southafrica#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16676093159979&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fworld%2F2006%2Fnov%2F02%2Fbooks.southafrica

    • Replies: @Ian Smith
    @Kylie

    Well, Nadine Gordimer, Joe Slovo, Ronnie Kasrils, Helen Suzman, and all the rest of them had their own agenda. Learning about the role Jews played in South Africa is very eye-opening.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Larry, San Francisco

    , @Rob McX
    @Kylie

    She got off lightly. I remember seeing a TV show (I think it was by Louis Theroux) about SA where black criminals talked of putting victims' heads into the microwave to make them hand over money.

  97. @Arclight
    As always, we absolutely couldn't consider that this is simply a reflection of disparities in personal behavior. I recall under Obama all the chatter about how black kids were more likely to be suspended from school from the same offense as whites, a difference that was entirely accounted for by the student's prior disciplinary record.

    That said, I would guess upper income blacks tend to have a lot more downscale relatives and friends that they occasionally hang out with and get into things they shouldn't. I personally know a couple of black guys who ended up with jail sentences by deciding to go out for the night with their criminal cousin and his friends and happened to be in the car when some things went down and that's that.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Alden, @Gary in Gramercy, @Veracitor, @Ben the Layabout

    Yeah. The children of blacks and whites exhibit reversion toward the mean, but that indicates reversion toward more crime for rich blacks’ kids and toward less for poor whites’ kids. Then you add in the “going for a ride with cousins” problem—the rich black kids’ cousins tend to be more criminal (this is also predicted by reversion-toward).

    I knew a pretty mature black man (like 28 years old) with a high-paying corporate tech job (that he could do fairly well— there was a tinge of AA, but he was inside the acceptable performance band) who earned a long trip to state prison as an active accessory to murder because he drove the car from which his cousins assassinated (by pistol fire) a dope dealer with whom they had a beef, when they saw him emerging from a bar. They all fled the scene after the shooting and it took the cops a while to identify and catch them. The one I knew facilitated the evasion— his normal middle-class lifestyle did not prompt him to avoid his lowlife kin, to refuse to participate in their heinous crimes, nor to betray them to the police afterward (when he could have claimed coercion, turned State’s evidence, and likely gotten himself off while sending his companions to prison as they fully deserved). A lot of people in the office were shocked when he was arrested.

    While one can imagine transracial adoption severing the criminal-cousins links, it could not fix personal reversion toward the mean, and the studies I’ve read seem to confirm that supposition.

    • Replies: @Arclight
    @Veracitor

    Yep. I went to an elite high school that also had a firm floor on its admissions test, so we attracted a lot of legitimately bright black kids. Off the top of my head I can think of a handful who totally wrecked their lives by early adulthood. One of them was not at all surprising, but the rest were in the sense that they came from decent middle class families and were solid students. I can also think of some white kids who blew it, but not as many and since whites outnumbered blacks like 4 to 1 from a percentage standpoint it's pretty stark.

    , @Pontius
    @Veracitor

    I worked with a guy a few years ago who was drafted by a professional football team ( admittedly, CFL) who recounted with great relish his nights spent with Chicongo teens who skooled him on the unique qualities of sparkplug ceramics for smashing windows. He was an engineering technologist grad who should have known better, but there seems to be a lure to naughtiness that blacks find irresistible. He also said banging fat chicks in Minot, and watching AH64's fly over before the big game were ultra cool. His big ambition was to move to Atlanta and work to re-elect Obama.

  98. @Muggles
    @Alden


    The insanity of DC liberals. They work and live in one of the blackest highest crime lowest school scores parts of the country.
     
    No, liberal whites live in Georgetown (a fairly distinct rich white enclave) or certain other enclaves (NW I think) where high prices keep neighbors mostly friendly. The DC cops know where to police and where to avoid.

    Likewise liberals don't send their kids to DC public schools. Many private and/or religious private options.

    The poorer ones (Whites) live in adjacent mostly White northern Virginia suburbs, which vote monolithically for the Comrades. But their schools are mainly non black and neighborhoods also non "diverse." Some live in farther away Maryland suburbs which again, are mostly for affluent government parasites who can afford that and the commute.

    The Mean Streets of DC are rarely seen by said liberals. The Metro likewise is very heavily policed and not like the garbage, rat, and zombie infested ones in NYC.

    Still some Seth Rich types get mysteriously murdered even though in "good areas." "Nothing to see here" folks, we are told about that.

    (Either gay trick gone bad or too much info on La Hillary & Company. Take your guess...)

    Replies: @Alden, @cityview, @Ben the Layabout

    Yeah yeah yeah, I know all that especially the private schools and drivers so their kids don’t have to take public transit. That want my point at all.

    All these politicians may be protected in White enclaves and Whute private schools and drivers for the kids. They’re not mugged and murdered. But it’s still one of the blackest and most dangerous cites in the country. Guests at 4&5 star hotels mugged right in front if the hotel.

    Capitol area is safer now. But it wasn’t very long ago that all the senators and congress critters had cab and car services for their staffers to drive them home or to the subway.

    No matter how rich you are, if you live in a black high crime city like DC you’re aware of black crime. Even if you successfully protect yourself from it.

    Remember that Mayor of Chicago? An Israeli dual citizen one of Obama’s White House aides? think his name was Rahm Emmanuel. They lived in the very wealthy far north right on the lake neighborhood Lakeview. His son was mugged by 3 black thugs.

    I know all about how big city rich people protect themselves and their families from crime. We aren’t affected but we know all about black crime. Some acknowledge black crime.

    Others like Supreme Court justices senators congress critter’s cabinet secretaries and assistant deputy cabinet secretaries live in and around DC And aid abet and encourage black crime in DC.

    Those negro living presidents VPs Supreme Court justices senators congress critter cabinet secretaries deputy cabinet secretaries generals and admirals didn’t start out in those positions.

    Many started out as low paid entry level people who took cabs they couldn’t afford because of crime on public transit. And very high crime right outside the Capitol building and other USA government department headquarters. Crime in DC is down. Because immigrants are coming in and blacks are leaving. For 700k to 2 million houses in Prince George county MD. Which is becoming typical high crime lie school test scores.

    My friend who works at Saks Beverly Hills tells me walk in customers are declining. Phone and on line sales increasing. Because the customers are scared of the BLM riots and the homeless. Rich city people protecting themselves.

    • Replies: @Cutter
    @Alden

    Rappers =/= aspiring rappers. Migos is (was?) a highly successful act. They did a single with Ric Flair, for God's sake!

    That's not sarcasm, either. They've been a big deal for a while. They aren't selling CD's out of the back of a car.

    , @cityview
    @Alden

    I would call Rahm Emanuel's neighborhood comfortable, but no more than that. It isn't fancy for someone who made the kind of money he did before he was the mayor. He isn't right on the water, though. It is not too far from a neighborhood that I don't consider good. The Illinois governor lives in a more affluent area, closer to the lake; although even there, many apartment and condo buildings are only middle class, and some are barely that. But even Pritzker, who is probably home only occasionally, doesn't face the lake.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  99. @anarchyst
    @Abe

    As far as I am concerned, any "rapper" that receives "lead therapy" is one less piece of human garbage to have to deal with.
    That being said, Kanye West (or "Ye" as he is presently known as) is doing a real service to all of humanity by pointing out and exposing the criminality of the jews.
    He may suffer in the short term, but hopefully his "legacy" will come out on top. The "big jews" are squirming not knowing how to handle their "pet" (Ye) and are showing their true colors by attempting to cripple him financially.
    Jews cannot use his race against him--a good thing.

    Replies: @SaneClownPosse, @Renard

    Kanye West is only famous because the Jewish Entertainment Complex promoted Kanye West.

    He is a performer, and he is performing as directed by his owners.

    This ends with Kanye being canceled as a neo NAZI, Jew hating SOB. He will do penance, then have a come back apology tour.

  100. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    BTW, native Maine whites, although they are white people and not as violent as blacks, can be pretty low class themselves – issues with alcohol, drugs, etc. Not all white people are the same. Maine whites are a notch above W. Va. whites but distinctly below Mass. whites.
     
    Agree. I'm not all that familiar with Maine but these same sorts of issues are evident in my Iowa heimat, and even within my own middle class family.

    Even beyond different ethnic groups--herding and mountain people (like the Scots-Irish, Irish) tend be quite a bit more "troublesome" than settled agriculturalists (like Anglos and Germans). (The Jews obviously have a herding origin but are known for the smarts they evolved as a middleman minority--and I'd say the destruction of the 2nd temple and the supremacy of rabbinic Judaism giving literacy high status was an additional push.)

    Even beyond these innate differences two big things have happened:
    -- out migration from agricultural regions to larger, especially coastal, metros
    -- breakdown of traditional Christian morality/norms.

    In my mom's generation two of smartest kids (including her) made their lives in major metros outside Iowa. Among my cousins probably the smartest outside of me and my brother are lawyers in East coast metros.

    The cousins' kids are generally doing ok--mostly urban and outside Iowa. The smartest (my son aside) doctors in major metros. But I had a cousin--a terrific all-American boy type growing up--who volunteered to fly helicopters in Vietnam. He returned with a chest full of medals (a DFC, two Bronze stars and four Purple Hearts) but not in good shape either physically or mentally and was not around to father his daughter properly. And she has succumbed to the common the post-Christian breakdown--multiple illegitimate children from different fathers.

    I still know some very sharp on the ball people still in rural Iowa. But on the whole, I've little doubt it--and other parts of rural America--are less smart and on the ball than they used to be, as well as beset with more maldies from post-Christian societal breakdown.


    But simply being a white area is going to have more and more appeal as America further browns--Latinoizes. Personally, I'd opt more for Montana, Idaho, Steve's Spokane, that sort of thing, where the base population is Anglo-Germanic and there is pull from excellent outdoor scenery/amenities. But all white areas will become more appealing as whites become increasingly scarce.

    Replies: @Muggles, @Alden, @That Would Be Telling, @Anonymous, @Ben the Layabout

    Idaho Eastern WA state Wyoming Dakotas have a lot of Eastern Europeans recruited in the late 19th century.

  101. @prison expert
    How they define wealth seems a bit lame. "Only the very wealthiest black youth — those whose household wealth in 1985 exceeded $69,000 in 2012 dollars " That is chump change. Wealth remains the greatest prison diversion program in America, regardless of race. Lets start with net worth of more than $2 million. How many rich Blacks or Hispanics are being herded into prison regardless of what they do or don't do?

    We need look no further than NFL players. They are all millionaires and regularly commit rapes, robberies, etc. yet they get the same results as rich white people. https://databases.usatoday.com/nfl-arrests/

    The reality is race has little to do with who gets convicted of crimes in America and sent to prison. Wealth controls everything and the only color that matters in court is green.

    If you think "the very wealthiest" of black people have household wealth of $69k you are living in the same housing project as the other poor folks. Sean Combs, Michael Jackson, OJ Simpson, Lil Wayne, et al., can all afford rich white man's justice.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Alden

    So 70k is rich? Gross or take home? . An illegal alien couple make that. She as a maid he as a mover/Gardner/handyman/recycler/ amateur mechanic/ bike repairer/ unlicensed car dealer.

    Bus driving is a classic black occupation. Big city unionized bus drivers make 150K after a few years. Base plus night and weekend differential and over time, working on holidays pay.

  102. @anarchyst
    @Abe

    As far as I am concerned, any "rapper" that receives "lead therapy" is one less piece of human garbage to have to deal with.
    That being said, Kanye West (or "Ye" as he is presently known as) is doing a real service to all of humanity by pointing out and exposing the criminality of the jews.
    He may suffer in the short term, but hopefully his "legacy" will come out on top. The "big jews" are squirming not knowing how to handle their "pet" (Ye) and are showing their true colors by attempting to cripple him financially.
    Jews cannot use his race against him--a good thing.

    Replies: @SaneClownPosse, @Renard

    Hmm. Kyrie Irving finally made his full groveling apology but the Nets and the ADL have now decided that’s not enough. He now has to attend meetings with Jewish “community leaders” and perform the groveling thing in person. Then maybe they’ll consider letting him play again.

    Although it may be entertaining to watch the likes of Kanye and Kyrie tangle with the Power Structure, to say they are outmatched in the wits dept is the understatement of the century. In the end, they are not helping your cause. The Empire Strikes Back. It’s what Empires do.

    • Replies: @Moses
    @Renard

    This one always gives me a chuckle.

    "Well, earlier this week, actor Marlon Brando met with Jewish leaders to apologize for comments he made on "Larry King Live". Among them, that "Hollywood is run by Jews." The Jewish leaders accepted the actor's apology, and announced that Brando is now free to work again."

    https://youtu.be/hNlOl12yGqQ

  103. @J.Ross
    OT Now-rare must-read thread at 4chan, tldr, Blackrock uses its power to force businesses to adopt woke policies, which you knew, but update: looking to refuse to pay legitimate insurance money on the grounds that not being woke forfeits your business insurance. The Canadian government attached woke conditions to its lockdown payments. Create the crisis, supply the solution.
    Bonus: a Mexican asks why he should insure his business.
    https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/402846948

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Renard

    Thanks. It’s basically impossible to overstate the significance (and implications) of these stories. It’s a glimpse of the near future.

  104. @Almost Missouri
    @Prester John

    Probably Edmund Perry, who teamed up with his also groomed-for-prep-school brother to attack a lone white guy one night after basketball for some quick cash. The white guy turned out to be a plainclothes police officer though, so he was armed and shot Perry.

    The usual suspects attempted to make a Trayvon Martin/George Floyd situation out it, but the Perry brothers were too obviously at fault.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Edmund_Perry

    Replies: @Jack D, @Achmed E. Newman, @Polistra, @Joe Stalin, @Nicholas Stix

    There’s a big advantage being a cop on the other end of a deal like this. The boys in blue will be on your side. That’s especially important when this sort of thing happens nowadays, as the whole Establishment is one-sided.

  105. @Senor canis
    The anarcho tyranny really gonna start kicking in next year. Imagine how you’d have to enforce crime for racially equitable prison populations. Prison sentence for gum chewing in public by Asians?

    Replies: @Renard

    The anarcho tyranny really gonna start kicking in next year.

    Perhaps, but the mob-street-rule thing that the establishment let loose in the summer of 2020 probably won’t recur if the Dems hold on to Congress. But that’s admittedly a big “if” and if it swings the other way 2023 will probably be lit.

    The mob is the ultimate domestic weapon in the Dems’ arsenal and they’re only too happy to use it.

  106. @Kylie
    @Ian Smith

    "When sheltered liberals do encounter the bottom 75% of black, I wonder how much seeing ghetto behavior makes double down on SJW-ism to ward off crimethink."

    Wonder no more!

    This white woman, a Nobel Prize winning authoress living in Johannesburg, was robbed by four young black males in a home invasion.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/nov/02/books.southafrica#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16676093159979&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fworld%2F2006%2Fnov%2F02%2Fbooks.southafrica

    Replies: @Ian Smith, @Rob McX

    Well, Nadine Gordimer, Joe Slovo, Ronnie Kasrils, Helen Suzman, and all the rest of them had their own agenda. Learning about the role Jews played in South Africa is very eye-opening.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Ian Smith

    "[Wherever I go,] I must subvert my host nation."

    , @Larry, San Francisco
    @Ian Smith

    Israel had a close relationship with apartheid Era South Africa

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Ian Smith

  107. @Ralph L
    About 10 percent of affluent black youths in 1985 would eventually go to prison.

    So nearly 20% of the boys? No wonder smarter black women are hard up for decent, affluent black men.

    Replies: @Polistra

    No wonder smarter black women are hard up for decent, affluent black men.

    If smarter black women are actually smart they’ll get their BMI under 30 and then (as if by magic) all sorts of new opportunities will come their way.

    We could then start to work on their attitude and entitlement issues. Maybe suggest they watch less TV. Hey I can dream can’t I?

  108. @Twinkie
    @Gary in Gramercy

    Denis the peasant is more Jew than black though.

    Replies: @Polistra

    He was working with his hands, in the muck though. This makes him pretty white. But those ideas he has! Maybe he just watches lots of TV, or went to college.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Polistra


    He was working with his hands, in the muck though.
     
    Was he though? Seems like his mother was. Also the allusion (“lovely filth”)…
  109. @Rob McX
    @Renard

    And in six years' time, we'll probably be looking back at 2022 and marvelling at the freedom of expression that was still allowed.

    Replies: @Polistra

    That’s a genuinely scary thought

  110. @dearieme
    Only the very wealthiest ... youth

    Irrespective of colour, are these wealth effects caused by (i) a less exuberant tendency to commit crimes (ii) a more intelligent ability to escape detection, or the capacity of their parents to (iii) hire better lawyers or (iv) bribe policemen, prosecutors, judges, or jurors?

    Replies: @Unintended Consequence, @Lurker

    or the capacity of their parents to (iii) hire better lawyers or (iv) bribe policemen, prosecutors, judges, or jurors?

    (iii) I assume so. But given two families of identical wealth – the one that keeps having to get the favourite son out of trouble is going to end up less wealthy. And if he keeps on breaking the law the costs are likely to mount.

    (iv) Could be. Not saying it doesn’t happen. But quite expensive I suspect. Not mention entailing second order risks of exposure which would entail further expense and risk. The family that has law abiding kids can dodge all that stuff cost entirely.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Lurker

    Marlon Brando lost millions on son Christopher’s legal fees defending him after killing sister’s boyfriend. And legal fees for Christopher’s scrapes before and after the murder And psychiatrist fees for the daughter who killed herself. And legal fees for nasty divorces from the various wives.

    There's private schools and camps for difficult teens. Not just legal fees but for posting bail. Then the loans for businesses that never start, co signing car loans rentals and mortgages , raising the grandchildren, on and on

  111. @Polistra
    @Twinkie

    He was working with his hands, in the muck though. This makes him pretty white. But those ideas he has! Maybe he just watches lots of TV, or went to college.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    He was working with his hands, in the muck though.

    Was he though? Seems like his mother was. Also the allusion (“lovely filth”)…

  112. @Alden
    @Kylie

    Here’s what my friend who works st Saks Beverly Hills has to say about those rappers. Saks gets not just the local rappers, but hundreds several times a year for the awards shows. Agents &friends seem to refer them to Saks to buy suits etc for the shows

    Some are so young the only suit they own is the one parents bought for high school prom and graduation.

    So they stream into Saks. My friend says every rapper he has ever served is very middle class. Correct English polite. Comfortable in an expensive store. Not aggressive or bullying. Grateful Saks tailors can do alterations in a couple hours. Grateful to take suggestions from a middle aged clerk about clothes for a very young, newly rich guy.

    His opinion about the young black actors and singers is that most are civilized middle class rather than ghetto. It’s the ghetto rats who get killed. The middle class ones hang out with their normal middle class family and friends and don’t get killed.

    Just one opinion after years of selling clothes to black athletes musicians actors and entertainment people.

    Replies: @Graveldips, @Kylie

    “The middle class ones [young black rappers] hang out with their normal middle class family and friends and don’t get killed.”

    But isn’t “rapper” kind of a catchall phrase nowadays applied to pretty much any young black male who comes to the attention of the public when arrested for or suspected of a crime?

    Even the hundreds of law-abiding rappers who troop through Saks must be only a fraction of the whole. Just consider how the phrase “aspiring rapper” has become a joke.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Kylie

    Very very true about rapper being the term for black thug criminal. But my friend sells clothes to real rappers in town for the award shows. And to real rappers with home addresses in good neighborhoods. Who speak correct English. Who actually make CDs for the big music companies in real studios. And really appear on the awards shows for whatever. Opinion of one person about the real rappers he deals with.

  113. @Almost Missouri
    @Prester John

    Probably Edmund Perry, who teamed up with his also groomed-for-prep-school brother to attack a lone white guy one night after basketball for some quick cash. The white guy turned out to be a plainclothes police officer though, so he was armed and shot Perry.

    The usual suspects attempted to make a Trayvon Martin/George Floyd situation out it, but the Perry brothers were too obviously at fault.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Edmund_Perry

    Replies: @Jack D, @Achmed E. Newman, @Polistra, @Joe Stalin, @Nicholas Stix

    The front-page headline of the New York Post the next day was “COP KILLS HARLEM HONOR STUDENT”. The Village Voice suggested that Perry was shot because he was “too black for his own good”

    Pretty funny: The NY Post was woke but the Village Voice called it proper.

    Adrienne Rich’s poem “Yom Kippur 1984” contains a line about the killing of Edmund Perry: “young scholar shot at the university gates on a summer evening walk, his prizes and studies nothing, nothing availing his Blackness.”

    No comment.

  114. @Reg Cæsar
    @Jack D


    Maine whites are a notch above W. Va. whites but distinctly below Mass. whites.
     
    A Southern poetess who settled there calls her neighbors "hillbillies with a different accent".

    Replies: @AceDeuce

    I’ve lived in both WV and Maine, and, nothing against Mainers, but most wouldn’t make a pimple on a WV mountaineers arse.

    I have been all over New England, and, before I had spent much time there, thought to settle there. No thanks. People aren’t really arseholes, per se-for that go to Philly and DC, but they are weird. Down South there are many weirdos who are also charming. Not NE. There’s probably more inbreeding and cousin lovin’ going on up there than aywhere down South. And NE has an awful lot of trailer parks. I’d much rather live in a trailer park in Alabama than in Vermont over the winter, although the only time that I ‘ve ever lived in a single wide I was quite comfortable even during a beastly winter in Northern Indiana.

  115. @Almost Missouri
    @Prester John

    Probably Edmund Perry, who teamed up with his also groomed-for-prep-school brother to attack a lone white guy one night after basketball for some quick cash. The white guy turned out to be a plainclothes police officer though, so he was armed and shot Perry.

    The usual suspects attempted to make a Trayvon Martin/George Floyd situation out it, but the Perry brothers were too obviously at fault.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Edmund_Perry

    Replies: @Jack D, @Achmed E. Newman, @Polistra, @Joe Stalin, @Nicholas Stix

  116. @Kylie
    @Alden

    "The middle class ones [young black rappers] hang out with their normal middle class family and friends and don’t get killed."

    But isn't "rapper" kind of a catchall phrase nowadays applied to pretty much any young black male who comes to the attention of the public when arrested for or suspected of a crime?

    Even the hundreds of law-abiding rappers who troop through Saks must be only a fraction of the whole. Just consider how the phrase "aspiring rapper" has become a joke.

    Replies: @Alden

    Very very true about rapper being the term for black thug criminal. But my friend sells clothes to real rappers in town for the award shows. And to real rappers with home addresses in good neighborhoods. Who speak correct English. Who actually make CDs for the big music companies in real studios. And really appear on the awards shows for whatever. Opinion of one person about the real rappers he deals with.

  117. @Lurker
    @dearieme


    or the capacity of their parents to (iii) hire better lawyers or (iv) bribe policemen, prosecutors, judges, or jurors?
     
    (iii) I assume so. But given two families of identical wealth - the one that keeps having to get the favourite son out of trouble is going to end up less wealthy. And if he keeps on breaking the law the costs are likely to mount.

    (iv) Could be. Not saying it doesn't happen. But quite expensive I suspect. Not mention entailing second order risks of exposure which would entail further expense and risk. The family that has law abiding kids can dodge all that stuff cost entirely.

    Replies: @Alden

    Marlon Brando lost millions on son Christopher’s legal fees defending him after killing sister’s boyfriend. And legal fees for Christopher’s scrapes before and after the murder And psychiatrist fees for the daughter who killed herself. And legal fees for nasty divorces from the various wives.

    There’s private schools and camps for difficult teens. Not just legal fees but for posting bail. Then the loans for businesses that never start, co signing car loans rentals and mortgages , raising the grandchildren, on and on

  118. @Anonymous
    @Alden


    Far back as WW2 the marines at the Anacostia base we’re under orders never to leave the base alone.
     
    Sounds like a lie from someone who never lived in DC because

    * there's never been a Marine base in Anacostia
    * any base named "Anacostia" is named after the river, not the dodgy neighborhood
    * the dodgy neighborhood was mostly white and not dodgy in the '40s and '50s
    * Marines are pussies

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Wikipedia says that Anacostia permanently houses the local Marine reserve center plus a Marine helicopter squadron, in addition to Army, Navy, Coast Guard, and numerous DoD offices, above and beyond being an Air Force Base. Residents are apparently expected to send their kids to DC public schools. But you knew about the river so yay.

  119. @Ian Smith
    @Kylie

    Well, Nadine Gordimer, Joe Slovo, Ronnie Kasrils, Helen Suzman, and all the rest of them had their own agenda. Learning about the role Jews played in South Africa is very eye-opening.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Larry, San Francisco

    “[Wherever I go,] I must subvert my host nation.”

  120. @mc23
    @Twinkie

    Interesting that the gap is fairly consistent across all income levels.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Ben the Layabout

    Interesting that the gap is fairly consistent across all income levels.

    What’s notable is that black kids from families that make over $200,o00 – the highest bracket – barely outscore white kids from families that make under $20,000 – the lowest bracket. From the second lowest income bracket and on, white kids outscore the top bracket black kids.

    • Replies: @Moses
    @Twinkie


    What’s notable is that black kids from families that make over $200,o00 – the highest bracket – barely outscore white kids from families that make under $20,000 – the lowest bracket. From the second lowest income bracket and on, white kids outscore the top bracket black kids.
     
    It's almost as if racial test scores correlate perfectly with racial achievements on a continental scale, for all races.

    Replies: @AceDeuce

  121. @Twinkie
    @mc23


    Interesting that the gap is fairly consistent across all income levels.
     
    What’s notable is that black kids from families that make over $200,o00 - the highest bracket - barely outscore white kids from families that make under $20,000 - the lowest bracket. From the second lowest income bracket and on, white kids outscore the top bracket black kids.

    Replies: @Moses

    What’s notable is that black kids from families that make over $200,o00 – the highest bracket – barely outscore white kids from families that make under $20,000 – the lowest bracket. From the second lowest income bracket and on, white kids outscore the top bracket black kids.

    It’s almost as if racial test scores correlate perfectly with racial achievements on a continental scale, for all races.

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
    @Moses

    Here's Frederick Douglass High School, the #1 high school in Maryland Prince George County (which is an affluent majority negro county) versus Owsley County High School, located in Owsley County, Kentucky (pretty much all White and dirt poor)



    Total minority enrollment
    Frederick Douglass HS 98 %
    Owsley County HS 3%

    Economically disadvantaged students
    Frederick Douglass HS 40 %
    Owsley County HS 96%

    Proficient in Reading (district average)
    Frederick Douglass HS 28 %
    Owsley County HS 44%

    Proficient in Mathematics (district average)
    Frederick Douglass HS 8 %
    Owsley County HS 32%

    Replies: @Moses

  122. @Renard
    @anarchyst

    Hmm. Kyrie Irving finally made his full groveling apology but the Nets and the ADL have now decided that's not enough. He now has to attend meetings with Jewish "community leaders" and perform the groveling thing in person. Then maybe they'll consider letting him play again.

    https://i.ibb.co/2PST0NT/Capture-2022-11-04-21-44-34-2.png

    Although it may be entertaining to watch the likes of Kanye and Kyrie tangle with the Power Structure, to say they are outmatched in the wits dept is the understatement of the century. In the end, they are not helping your cause. The Empire Strikes Back. It's what Empires do.

    Replies: @Moses

    This one always gives me a chuckle.

    “Well, earlier this week, actor Marlon Brando met with Jewish leaders to apologize for comments he made on “Larry King Live”. Among them, that “Hollywood is run by Jews.” The Jewish leaders accepted the actor’s apology, and announced that Brando is now free to work again.”

  123. Who’d be a blue-collar white manager in diverse zones these days? People never take well to being ticked off by the guy who’s job it is to do it, but you don’t expect to be stabbed to death for it.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11391549/Murder-suspect-appears-court-FedEx-manager-stabbed-death-colleagues.html

    A 48-year-old man has appeared in court on suspicion of murdering a 60-year-old FedEx manager in front of his colleagues in South Yorkshire on Wednesday.

    Ronald Sekanjako spoke only to confirm his name, address and age during the ten minute hearing at Sheffield Magistrates Court today after being charged with the murder of Philip David Woodcock.

    There was no application for bail and he was remanded in custody. He will appear before a judge at Sheffield Crown Court on November 7 for pre-trial proceedings.

    Sekanjako, from Sheffield, is also charged with assault occasioning actual bodily harm, criminal damage and possession of an offensive weapon.

    Mr Woodcock died in an attack in Rotherham on the morning of Wednesday, November 2.

    Emergency services were called to the FedEx centre in Rother Way, Hellaby, at 9.39am on Wednesday to reports of a stabbing.

    Upon arrival, Mr Woodcock was found with severe injuries and the 60-year-old died at the scene.

    Sekanjako appears to be a Ugandan name. I wonder if he is one of Boris’ 1.1 million visas handed out to fill vital UK skills gaps in the parcel-shifting sector?

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Perhaps a rocket surgeon who just wanted to spend a bit more time working outdoors?

  124. @Kylie
    @Ian Smith

    "When sheltered liberals do encounter the bottom 75% of black, I wonder how much seeing ghetto behavior makes double down on SJW-ism to ward off crimethink."

    Wonder no more!

    This white woman, a Nobel Prize winning authoress living in Johannesburg, was robbed by four young black males in a home invasion.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/nov/02/books.southafrica#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16676093159979&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fworld%2F2006%2Fnov%2F02%2Fbooks.southafrica

    Replies: @Ian Smith, @Rob McX

    She got off lightly. I remember seeing a TV show (I think it was by Louis Theroux) about SA where black criminals talked of putting victims’ heads into the microwave to make them hand over money.

  125. @Alden
    @Muggles

    Yeah yeah yeah, I know all that especially the private schools and drivers so their kids don’t have to take public transit. That want my point at all.

    All these politicians may be protected in White enclaves and Whute private schools and drivers for the kids. They’re not mugged and murdered. But it’s still one of the blackest and most dangerous cites in the country. Guests at 4&5 star hotels mugged right in front if the hotel.

    Capitol area is safer now. But it wasn’t very long ago that all the senators and congress critters had cab and car services for their staffers to drive them home or to the subway.

    No matter how rich you are, if you live in a black high crime city like DC you’re aware of black crime. Even if you successfully protect yourself from it.

    Remember that Mayor of Chicago? An Israeli dual citizen one of Obama’s White House aides? think his name was Rahm Emmanuel. They lived in the very wealthy far north right on the lake neighborhood Lakeview. His son was mugged by 3 black thugs.

    I know all about how big city rich people protect themselves and their families from crime. We aren’t affected but we know all about black crime. Some acknowledge black crime.

    Others like Supreme Court justices senators congress critter’s cabinet secretaries and assistant deputy cabinet secretaries live in and around DC And aid abet and encourage black crime in DC.

    Those negro living presidents VPs Supreme Court justices senators congress critter cabinet secretaries deputy cabinet secretaries generals and admirals didn’t start out in those positions.

    Many started out as low paid entry level people who took cabs they couldn’t afford because of crime on public transit. And very high crime right outside the Capitol building and other USA government department headquarters. Crime in DC is down. Because immigrants are coming in and blacks are leaving. For 700k to 2 million houses in Prince George county MD. Which is becoming typical high crime lie school test scores.

    My friend who works at Saks Beverly Hills tells me walk in customers are declining. Phone and on line sales increasing. Because the customers are scared of the BLM riots and the homeless. Rich city people protecting themselves.

    Replies: @Cutter, @cityview

    Rappers =/= aspiring rappers. Migos is (was?) a highly successful act. They did a single with Ric Flair, for God’s sake!

    That’s not sarcasm, either. They’ve been a big deal for a while. They aren’t selling CD’s out of the back of a car.

  126. @Muggles
    @AnotherDad


    I’d opt more for Montana, Idaho, Steve’s Spokane, that sort of thing, where the base population is Anglo-Germanic and there is pull from excellent outdoor scenery/amenities.
     
    In the post Era of Floyd real estate rush from diversity, real estate prices in those areas have zoomed upwards. Some of the highest increases found. Now the Fed and interest rates have stopped that cold for the moment. Prices decreasing. So move now if you plan on that.

    Also very cold winters and not-much- to-do-but-hunt-and-fish gets very old. Women not as keen on that as men. Some skiing but the affluent can fly to Colorado or wherever anyway.

    I'm from that vicinity and those places are very small. Even Spokane has only a few hundred thousand, so it is a major center for medical care, Most other places are a couple hundred thousand or less. Many under 100K or even much smaller. Good medical care scarce.

    If you have lived in such a place, you realize you've visited every eating establishment in a month and been to all of the shops, stores, grocery places, etc. within six months. Very little cultural entertainment. Also, it takes a full day of flying, or two or three to drive to civilization where it doesn't freeze 6 months of the year. Many get bored and tire quickly of the gloomy cold weather and early dark.

    Summers are great. Lasts about three months.

    But a lot of meth up there now (and fentanyl) so low class whites, formerly just drunks, are now drunks and thieving addicts. Next door to my old home, the two beautiful daughters there were both murdered by their White boyfriends for no good reason, obviously. Tragic.

    The ones I grew up with there, with a few exceptions, are not the best or brightest. Many are moochers or live off others in various ways. Low class is low class.

    Maybe not as dangerous as the fully "vibrant" places, but small, isolated and full crazy loners and misfits. Good areas quite close to semi Unibomber types.

    Also, in general, people are pretty poor. Like Maine, many only work seasonally and live in marginal conditions. When your town is 30,000 people, you are next to everyone.

    Nearly everyone is White, but some not so good. Also, unlike your post, the people are not mainly Germanic. Mining brought in a lot of different people (Eastern Europe, etc.) The original few settlers as farmers were Norwegians and Swedes. They are okay, when sober, but are politically naive and easily led down the St. George path.

    Also many Mormons. They are okay but clannish. You won't get the "discount" and if you like Jews, you'll love Mormons...(though usually not as smart.)

    Replies: @mc23, @AnotherDad

    Thanks Muggles, I’ve been through/visited but never lived anywhere in this area.

    If you have lived in such a place, you realize you’ve visited every eating establishment in a month and been to all of the shops, stores, grocery places, etc. within six months. Very little cultural entertainment. Also, it takes a full day of flying, or two or three to drive to civilization where it doesn’t freeze 6 months of the year. Many get bored and tire quickly of the gloomy cold weather and early dark.

    To none of this matters to me. Big league sports either. But some people seem to need “something to do”, some distraction.

    To the historic disadvantages of small town life–if you have a job–have mostly evaporated. The conversation and the library are now at your fingertips. The new disadvantages are the societal breakdown issues–dumber people now, dumber behavior and drugs.

    The small town in Iowa I visit regularly has basically zero places to eat–well the Casey’s convenience store. There are maybe a dozen in the larger town nearby and all the surrounding towns. I’ve been to most all of them. The last visit we did this and that and stopped at a couple places that were closed on Monday … then ate at the same place we’d done the previous day. Just ordered something different. Good both times.

    People used to cook for themselves, now sometimes I think America died because people wanted “restaurant diversity”.

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @AnotherDad

    Where I grew up in that area, the "big town" we lived in was about 25,000 on a good day. Slightly more in the surrounding area. Now closer to 35,000.

    Growing up we only ate at restaurants on Mothers Day, Mom's birthday and occasionally on other days, if my Mom was sick or we were coming back from a long trip. Not much eating out.

    Looking back, only a few places were decent. I've been back and restaurant choices are better but very limited. Some fast food now. That area isn't known for its good cuisine.

    Overall it is better now there but as a largely government small town, mostly Woke. Black mayor!

    Places like that are very insular and having relatives is the key to finding a job. Salaries tend to be low. A few places in that general Mountain West area now have some tech jobs and firms, so better. Until just recently, real estate prices way high compared to the past. People fall in love with the area in the summer and later find that the rest of the year is boring, cold, windy, cloudy, snow, freezing most of the time. Northern latitudes have very long sunny days and very long dark cold ones.

    Still you have to travel a long distance to find complex medical care of any kind. With the Internet and related now more things to do (with those tools) but still limited. Churches and bars occupy many. Some of my smart friends still live there, in the country. Not very social.

    Most of the smarter young people move away and don't return. Like most small towns and rural areas now. The Mountain West is nearly all rural. The "university towns" are more cultural and intelligent. Still small though. Many regard driving 150 miles to a Costco a great weekend getaway.

    Cold weather for 6-7 months is something I don't miss.

  127. @Muggles
    @Alden


    The insanity of DC liberals. They work and live in one of the blackest highest crime lowest school scores parts of the country.
     
    No, liberal whites live in Georgetown (a fairly distinct rich white enclave) or certain other enclaves (NW I think) where high prices keep neighbors mostly friendly. The DC cops know where to police and where to avoid.

    Likewise liberals don't send their kids to DC public schools. Many private and/or religious private options.

    The poorer ones (Whites) live in adjacent mostly White northern Virginia suburbs, which vote monolithically for the Comrades. But their schools are mainly non black and neighborhoods also non "diverse." Some live in farther away Maryland suburbs which again, are mostly for affluent government parasites who can afford that and the commute.

    The Mean Streets of DC are rarely seen by said liberals. The Metro likewise is very heavily policed and not like the garbage, rat, and zombie infested ones in NYC.

    Still some Seth Rich types get mysteriously murdered even though in "good areas." "Nothing to see here" folks, we are told about that.

    (Either gay trick gone bad or too much info on La Hillary & Company. Take your guess...)

    Replies: @Alden, @cityview, @Ben the Layabout

    No, some liberal DC residents do indeed use the DCPS, and they always have. If you mean the most famous and wealthy, like the Obamas and the Clintons, then no; but if you mean anyone who lives in Northwest and has voted for Democrats, then yes, some of them do.

    Georgetown is mostly very affluent but is by no means without crime. Many of its homeowners do not live there full-time. As with many areas of the District, its streets can be dark and deserted at night, and fairly empty even in the daytime other than the main shopping streets.

    I don’t think the subway is heavily policed, although it isn’t generally as fearsome as some on here think. You do need to use judgment about where you are going.

    A lot of crime in the District in recent years is indeed seen by “liberals,” since they moved into and bought homes in formerly iffy neighborhoods toward the center of the city that have reverted somewhat to their higher-crime status. These neighborhoods have trees and yards and look harmless, not mean for the most part. I think a lot of people on here think Washington DC looks like the former Cabrini-Green, or other massive, hulking housing complexes. It has never looked remotely like that. Most of it is low-rise, low-density, and unremarkable. Keep in mind that many committing crimes there no longer live in the city or are homeless. In no way am I excusing the crimes by saying this.

  128. @George
    "top 1% - millionaires -"

    Maybe a millionaire in 2010 isn't that impressive? I also suspect that the urban centered inflation of real estate values meant a fair number of people living in urban areas were millionaires more due to luck, sort of like lottery winners. The top 1% of Black wealthy were probably there due to luck more often than other groups.

    Did Chetty run the numbers by state? I am kind of thinking inner city Blacks vs rural whites on crime. Did Chetty do an analysis of the jobs reported on 1040s by top 1% Blacks vs others?

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Mr. Peabody

    Agree. Let’s do some stereotyping.
    The white trash kids grab a car out of the Walmart lot and hightail it out of their dry county to that wide open town just across the state line. After a night of hell raising, they head for home. But Deputy Fife’s momma didn’t raise no fools. He’s parked behind that clump of pines just over the county line and busts the lot of them on multiple felony counts.
    Meanwhile, back in Gotham City, the millionaire’s daughter has just lost here last appeal on the felony counts, and seen here civil suits, alleging racism and sexism against her employer, dimissed. Now she’s heading off to tennis prison for embezzling hundreds of thousands of dollars from the public purse durinhg her tenure as Director of DIE for the city schools (spent it all on nails and hair jobs, redecorating the condo, and trips to trashy island resorts with her boyfriend, doncha know).
    As it happens, dumb white kids and privileged black kids act stupid at about the same rate. It’s a case of coincidence; neither cause nor correlation.
    Steve’s numerous tract on IQ spread may explain the why and how of it.

  129. @Veracitor
    @Arclight

    Yeah. The children of blacks and whites exhibit reversion toward the mean, but that indicates reversion toward more crime for rich blacks’ kids and toward less for poor whites’ kids. Then you add in the “going for a ride with cousins” problem—the rich black kids’ cousins tend to be more criminal (this is also predicted by reversion-toward).

    I knew a pretty mature black man (like 28 years old) with a high-paying corporate tech job (that he could do fairly well— there was a tinge of AA, but he was inside the acceptable performance band) who earned a long trip to state prison as an active accessory to murder because he drove the car from which his cousins assassinated (by pistol fire) a dope dealer with whom they had a beef, when they saw him emerging from a bar. They all fled the scene after the shooting and it took the cops a while to identify and catch them. The one I knew facilitated the evasion— his normal middle-class lifestyle did not prompt him to avoid his lowlife kin, to refuse to participate in their heinous crimes, nor to betray them to the police afterward (when he could have claimed coercion, turned State’s evidence, and likely gotten himself off while sending his companions to prison as they fully deserved). A lot of people in the office were shocked when he was arrested.

    While one can imagine transracial adoption severing the criminal-cousins links, it could not fix personal reversion toward the mean, and the studies I’ve read seem to confirm that supposition.

    Replies: @Arclight, @Pontius

    Yep. I went to an elite high school that also had a firm floor on its admissions test, so we attracted a lot of legitimately bright black kids. Off the top of my head I can think of a handful who totally wrecked their lives by early adulthood. One of them was not at all surprising, but the rest were in the sense that they came from decent middle class families and were solid students. I can also think of some white kids who blew it, but not as many and since whites outnumbered blacks like 4 to 1 from a percentage standpoint it’s pretty stark.

  130. The difference in incarceration rates by race is presumed to be caused by racism against blacks. But wouldn’t it be explained away by “diversity”? For almost fifty years we were told there were inherent, substantive differences based on race yet no one seems to have identified those differences.

    If you believe in “diversity” then, maybe the cause is an inherent proclivity towards crime by blacks. Universities should conduct research on teasing out the “diversity” that academia believes in.

  131. @Anonymous
    Is it possible that Negros as a group tend to choose to commit more prison-worthy crimes than whites as a group?

    There's an interesting pilot program underway in New York that seeks to redress this imbalance by simply not jailing black criminals no matter how heinous the crime.

    Replies: @Gamecock

    Is it possible that Negros as a group tend to choose to commit more prison-worthy crimes than whites as a group?

    Not at first. Big Dem city courts tend to let blacks off easy. With no consequences, they do more. And escalate the severity. Then they are stunned when they are actually jailed for murder.

    There’s an interesting pilot program underway in New York that seeks to redress this imbalance by simply not jailing black criminals no matter how heinous the crime.

    So the solution to revolving door justice is to not even jail them for murder.

    And the Dems claim they are helping Blacks, even though they are destroying their communities. More Blacks may be forced to become white.

  132. It’s a fact that people of color are worse off than white Americans in all kinds of ways, but there is little agreement on why.

    C’mon, Max. Ask any redneck, we can explain it to you.

  133. @Tiny Duck
    @Almost Missouri

    white males commit more crimes than any other demographic by far.

    https://www.al.com/news/2022/10/tubervilles-reparations-remark-ignores-fact-white-people-commit-most-crimes.html

    Read Leonard Pitts

    Replies: @interesting, @Muggles, @Wade Hampton, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    White people being forced to read “The Pitts” is just another example of black on white crime.

  134. @AnotherDad
    @Muggles

    Thanks Muggles, I've been through/visited but never lived anywhere in this area.


    If you have lived in such a place, you realize you’ve visited every eating establishment in a month and been to all of the shops, stores, grocery places, etc. within six months. Very little cultural entertainment. Also, it takes a full day of flying, or two or three to drive to civilization where it doesn’t freeze 6 months of the year. Many get bored and tire quickly of the gloomy cold weather and early dark.
     
    To none of this matters to me. Big league sports either. But some people seem to need "something to do", some distraction.

    To the historic disadvantages of small town life--if you have a job--have mostly evaporated. The conversation and the library are now at your fingertips. The new disadvantages are the societal breakdown issues--dumber people now, dumber behavior and drugs.


    The small town in Iowa I visit regularly has basically zero places to eat--well the Casey's convenience store. There are maybe a dozen in the larger town nearby and all the surrounding towns. I've been to most all of them. The last visit we did this and that and stopped at a couple places that were closed on Monday ... then ate at the same place we'd done the previous day. Just ordered something different. Good both times.

    People used to cook for themselves, now sometimes I think America died because people wanted "restaurant diversity".

    Replies: @Muggles

    Where I grew up in that area, the “big town” we lived in was about 25,000 on a good day. Slightly more in the surrounding area. Now closer to 35,000.

    Growing up we only ate at restaurants on Mothers Day, Mom’s birthday and occasionally on other days, if my Mom was sick or we were coming back from a long trip. Not much eating out.

    Looking back, only a few places were decent. I’ve been back and restaurant choices are better but very limited. Some fast food now. That area isn’t known for its good cuisine.

    Overall it is better now there but as a largely government small town, mostly Woke. Black mayor!

    Places like that are very insular and having relatives is the key to finding a job. Salaries tend to be low. A few places in that general Mountain West area now have some tech jobs and firms, so better. Until just recently, real estate prices way high compared to the past. People fall in love with the area in the summer and later find that the rest of the year is boring, cold, windy, cloudy, snow, freezing most of the time. Northern latitudes have very long sunny days and very long dark cold ones.

    Still you have to travel a long distance to find complex medical care of any kind. With the Internet and related now more things to do (with those tools) but still limited. Churches and bars occupy many. Some of my smart friends still live there, in the country. Not very social.

    Most of the smarter young people move away and don’t return. Like most small towns and rural areas now. The Mountain West is nearly all rural. The “university towns” are more cultural and intelligent. Still small though. Many regard driving 150 miles to a Costco a great weekend getaway.

    Cold weather for 6-7 months is something I don’t miss.

  135. @Ian Smith
    @Kylie

    Well, Nadine Gordimer, Joe Slovo, Ronnie Kasrils, Helen Suzman, and all the rest of them had their own agenda. Learning about the role Jews played in South Africa is very eye-opening.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Larry, San Francisco

    Israel had a close relationship with apartheid Era South Africa

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @Larry, San Francisco

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3asnLWPBoKY

    , @Ian Smith
    @Larry, San Francisco

    To get nukes. Purely opportunistic.

  136. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    BTW, native Maine whites, although they are white people and not as violent as blacks, can be pretty low class themselves – issues with alcohol, drugs, etc. Not all white people are the same. Maine whites are a notch above W. Va. whites but distinctly below Mass. whites.
     
    Agree. I'm not all that familiar with Maine but these same sorts of issues are evident in my Iowa heimat, and even within my own middle class family.

    Even beyond different ethnic groups--herding and mountain people (like the Scots-Irish, Irish) tend be quite a bit more "troublesome" than settled agriculturalists (like Anglos and Germans). (The Jews obviously have a herding origin but are known for the smarts they evolved as a middleman minority--and I'd say the destruction of the 2nd temple and the supremacy of rabbinic Judaism giving literacy high status was an additional push.)

    Even beyond these innate differences two big things have happened:
    -- out migration from agricultural regions to larger, especially coastal, metros
    -- breakdown of traditional Christian morality/norms.

    In my mom's generation two of smartest kids (including her) made their lives in major metros outside Iowa. Among my cousins probably the smartest outside of me and my brother are lawyers in East coast metros.

    The cousins' kids are generally doing ok--mostly urban and outside Iowa. The smartest (my son aside) doctors in major metros. But I had a cousin--a terrific all-American boy type growing up--who volunteered to fly helicopters in Vietnam. He returned with a chest full of medals (a DFC, two Bronze stars and four Purple Hearts) but not in good shape either physically or mentally and was not around to father his daughter properly. And she has succumbed to the common the post-Christian breakdown--multiple illegitimate children from different fathers.

    I still know some very sharp on the ball people still in rural Iowa. But on the whole, I've little doubt it--and other parts of rural America--are less smart and on the ball than they used to be, as well as beset with more maldies from post-Christian societal breakdown.


    But simply being a white area is going to have more and more appeal as America further browns--Latinoizes. Personally, I'd opt more for Montana, Idaho, Steve's Spokane, that sort of thing, where the base population is Anglo-Germanic and there is pull from excellent outdoor scenery/amenities. But all white areas will become more appealing as whites become increasingly scarce.

    Replies: @Muggles, @Alden, @That Would Be Telling, @Anonymous, @Ben the Layabout

    But simply being a white area is going to have more and more appeal as America further browns–Latinoizes. Personally, I’d opt more for Montana, Idaho….

    Let me add my usual warning about Idaho. The establishment there is so terrified of its reputation as a haven for white [fill in the blank] they won’t be on your side in the off chance you have a bad interaction with browns or blacks. For the latest atrocity except this time aligned on LBGTQUERTY and World War T see the persecution of Patriot Front would be counter-protesters in a county that’s only two down from the northernmost one where Ruby Ridge is located.

    Will also confirm what you and say about pathological whites, I’ve retired to my home town in deep Red state flyover country and while the bulk of murders are done by the few blacks here or “visiting,” the area’s very worst murders are all or almost all done by local whites. Drug dealing or petty feuds, or just plain crazy and criminal. The police are also not particularly on our side, although they are very tolerant or better of armed citizens.

  137. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    BTW, native Maine whites, although they are white people and not as violent as blacks, can be pretty low class themselves – issues with alcohol, drugs, etc. Not all white people are the same. Maine whites are a notch above W. Va. whites but distinctly below Mass. whites.
     
    Agree. I'm not all that familiar with Maine but these same sorts of issues are evident in my Iowa heimat, and even within my own middle class family.

    Even beyond different ethnic groups--herding and mountain people (like the Scots-Irish, Irish) tend be quite a bit more "troublesome" than settled agriculturalists (like Anglos and Germans). (The Jews obviously have a herding origin but are known for the smarts they evolved as a middleman minority--and I'd say the destruction of the 2nd temple and the supremacy of rabbinic Judaism giving literacy high status was an additional push.)

    Even beyond these innate differences two big things have happened:
    -- out migration from agricultural regions to larger, especially coastal, metros
    -- breakdown of traditional Christian morality/norms.

    In my mom's generation two of smartest kids (including her) made their lives in major metros outside Iowa. Among my cousins probably the smartest outside of me and my brother are lawyers in East coast metros.

    The cousins' kids are generally doing ok--mostly urban and outside Iowa. The smartest (my son aside) doctors in major metros. But I had a cousin--a terrific all-American boy type growing up--who volunteered to fly helicopters in Vietnam. He returned with a chest full of medals (a DFC, two Bronze stars and four Purple Hearts) but not in good shape either physically or mentally and was not around to father his daughter properly. And she has succumbed to the common the post-Christian breakdown--multiple illegitimate children from different fathers.

    I still know some very sharp on the ball people still in rural Iowa. But on the whole, I've little doubt it--and other parts of rural America--are less smart and on the ball than they used to be, as well as beset with more maldies from post-Christian societal breakdown.


    But simply being a white area is going to have more and more appeal as America further browns--Latinoizes. Personally, I'd opt more for Montana, Idaho, Steve's Spokane, that sort of thing, where the base population is Anglo-Germanic and there is pull from excellent outdoor scenery/amenities. But all white areas will become more appealing as whites become increasingly scarce.

    Replies: @Muggles, @Alden, @That Would Be Telling, @Anonymous, @Ben the Layabout

    “Post-Christian”? Wtf are you babbling about? Christianity has SURGED in rural America. It didn’t used to be full of bible thumping ttlrumptard idiots. It used to be more moderate, politically and religiously. Christianity caused the downfall of rural America.

  138. @Alden
    @Muggles

    Yeah yeah yeah, I know all that especially the private schools and drivers so their kids don’t have to take public transit. That want my point at all.

    All these politicians may be protected in White enclaves and Whute private schools and drivers for the kids. They’re not mugged and murdered. But it’s still one of the blackest and most dangerous cites in the country. Guests at 4&5 star hotels mugged right in front if the hotel.

    Capitol area is safer now. But it wasn’t very long ago that all the senators and congress critters had cab and car services for their staffers to drive them home or to the subway.

    No matter how rich you are, if you live in a black high crime city like DC you’re aware of black crime. Even if you successfully protect yourself from it.

    Remember that Mayor of Chicago? An Israeli dual citizen one of Obama’s White House aides? think his name was Rahm Emmanuel. They lived in the very wealthy far north right on the lake neighborhood Lakeview. His son was mugged by 3 black thugs.

    I know all about how big city rich people protect themselves and their families from crime. We aren’t affected but we know all about black crime. Some acknowledge black crime.

    Others like Supreme Court justices senators congress critter’s cabinet secretaries and assistant deputy cabinet secretaries live in and around DC And aid abet and encourage black crime in DC.

    Those negro living presidents VPs Supreme Court justices senators congress critter cabinet secretaries deputy cabinet secretaries generals and admirals didn’t start out in those positions.

    Many started out as low paid entry level people who took cabs they couldn’t afford because of crime on public transit. And very high crime right outside the Capitol building and other USA government department headquarters. Crime in DC is down. Because immigrants are coming in and blacks are leaving. For 700k to 2 million houses in Prince George county MD. Which is becoming typical high crime lie school test scores.

    My friend who works at Saks Beverly Hills tells me walk in customers are declining. Phone and on line sales increasing. Because the customers are scared of the BLM riots and the homeless. Rich city people protecting themselves.

    Replies: @Cutter, @cityview

    I would call Rahm Emanuel’s neighborhood comfortable, but no more than that. It isn’t fancy for someone who made the kind of money he did before he was the mayor. He isn’t right on the water, though. It is not too far from a neighborhood that I don’t consider good. The Illinois governor lives in a more affluent area, closer to the lake; although even there, many apartment and condo buildings are only middle class, and some are barely that. But even Pritzker, who is probably home only occasionally, doesn’t face the lake.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @cityview

    Mayor Rahm's neighborhood was a really nice one with nice people: We'd take our kids trick-or-treating there because everybody on the block decorated for Halloween and greeted kids warmly. If I'd made twice as much money, I'd definitely have considered moving there. If I'd made ten times as much, I probably wouldn't, in that it wasn't anything fancy, it just looked like a nice suburban neighborhood out of a John Hughes movie that happened to be in the middle of Chicago's north side, and there were only a few blocks like that.

    In general, there are very few detached single family homes facing Lake Michigan in Chicago, which has done a good job of building tall apartments right along the lake. This is in contrast to Southern California where density next to the beaches is kept ridiculously low. There are single family detached houses on the sand in Santa Monica. There are practically no high rises with ocean views in SoCal.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Renard, @cityview

  139. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    I've spend a fair amount of time in the vicinity of Brunswick (in the summer) and while it's a lovely little town for its size (and the Bowdoin campus is lovely), its size (20k people for the town, 2k for the college) is not very big. It's an attractive place if you are into outdoor living, sailing, etc. but not so much if you are an urban type. Drinking is also a popular hobby.

    BTW, native Maine whites, although they are white people and not as violent as blacks, can be pretty low class themselves - issues with alcohol, drugs, etc. Not all white people are the same. Maine whites are a notch above W. Va. whites but distinctly below Mass. whites. A lot of Maine whites are of French Canadian descent and the French Canadians themselves were once upon a time a pretty proletarian bunch.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Alden, @Graveldips, @Reg Cæsar, @Brutusale

    As a frequent visitor to all three of my New England neighbors to the north, Maine’s hillbillies are far more likely to be employed and functioning than those in Vermont. My Maine customers tended to be Mainers, while my Vermont customers were Bernie Sanders clones.

    Vermont has the highest share of teens who used illicit drugs in the past month, at 13.92 percent. That is 2.3 times higher than in Utah, which has the lowest at 6.02 percent.
    Vermont has the highest share of adults who used illicit drugs in the past month, at 20.82 percent. That is 2.7 times higher than in Utah, which has the lowest at 7.80 percent.–WalletHub

    The Maine coast from the NH border up to Rockland is now being overrun by expats from Boston and NYC. It’ll be interesting to see how they coexist with the folks “up the county”.

  140. @cityview
    @Alden

    I would call Rahm Emanuel's neighborhood comfortable, but no more than that. It isn't fancy for someone who made the kind of money he did before he was the mayor. He isn't right on the water, though. It is not too far from a neighborhood that I don't consider good. The Illinois governor lives in a more affluent area, closer to the lake; although even there, many apartment and condo buildings are only middle class, and some are barely that. But even Pritzker, who is probably home only occasionally, doesn't face the lake.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Mayor Rahm’s neighborhood was a really nice one with nice people: We’d take our kids trick-or-treating there because everybody on the block decorated for Halloween and greeted kids warmly. If I’d made twice as much money, I’d definitely have considered moving there. If I’d made ten times as much, I probably wouldn’t, in that it wasn’t anything fancy, it just looked like a nice suburban neighborhood out of a John Hughes movie that happened to be in the middle of Chicago’s north side, and there were only a few blocks like that.

    In general, there are very few detached single family homes facing Lake Michigan in Chicago, which has done a good job of building tall apartments right along the lake. This is in contrast to Southern California where density next to the beaches is kept ridiculously low. There are single family detached houses on the sand in Santa Monica. There are practically no high rises with ocean views in SoCal.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Steve Sailer

    Seal Beach is like that. In 1978, I lived there for half a year at my sister's place a block from the beach, in a two story apartment building on a simple street (7th) in the little town. I walked to the beach almost every day, and all along the sand there were houses or similarly small buildings. It was pretty cool.

    I don't see any argument either in favor or against low-density housing on coastlines. You appear to feel differently. Personally, I don't particularly like high rises, and I don't see any great arguments for them. God didn't create any unalienable rights for newcomers to take up residency in the beach, and nobody is obligated to do "a good job of building tall apartments right along" the sand.

    , @Renard
    @Steve Sailer


    There are practically no high rises with ocean views in SoCal.
     
    Are you serious? Or do you mean ones right on the sand [even SD has some of those]? Even Century City high rises can see the ocean. Heck, even some downtown high rises can see the ocean!
    , @cityview
    @Steve Sailer

    I remember you mentioning your family's trick-or-treating in Rahm Emanuel's neighborhood, and how much you enjoyed the warmth and friendliness. I think your family might have enjoyed Halloween in Ravenswood at exactly the right time. Since I live downtown, it isn't my neighborhood, but I think it might not be quite as busy with activity as it was then. It's just my impression, but Chicago has lost a lot of people as they have moved out. Those North Side neighborhoods up that way (and I've been there many, many times) have been pummeled with crime for the past 2 1/2 years. I wish this weren't true, and I hope the worst is over.

    Speaking of family fun not too far from there, the St. Alphonsus community Christmas tree in December is another such activity. It's a huge church with an equally huge decorated outdoor tree and events.

  141. Also, I believe statistics would bear out the notion that extremely rich Negroes are more likely to be arrested for simple-minded crime than extremely rich white people…

    https://nypost.com/2022/11/05/ex-chicago-bulls-star-ben-gordon-arrested-at-chicago-mcdonalds/

  142. @Arclight
    As always, we absolutely couldn't consider that this is simply a reflection of disparities in personal behavior. I recall under Obama all the chatter about how black kids were more likely to be suspended from school from the same offense as whites, a difference that was entirely accounted for by the student's prior disciplinary record.

    That said, I would guess upper income blacks tend to have a lot more downscale relatives and friends that they occasionally hang out with and get into things they shouldn't. I personally know a couple of black guys who ended up with jail sentences by deciding to go out for the night with their criminal cousin and his friends and happened to be in the car when some things went down and that's that.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Alden, @Gary in Gramercy, @Veracitor, @Ben the Layabout

    There’s a couple more likely factors, none of them very complimentary to Blacks, unfortunately.

    Point 1: Blacks who are “successful” (e.g. high income) except in fields where they naturally excel at (pro sports, perhaps some entertainment) are to a large degree there because of racial preferences, rather than merit/ability. It may be difficult to assess the degree where this is a factor, but I am sure that sixty years of quotas, affirmative action and suchlike has had an impact.

    Point 2: Regression to the mean (in genetics). Let’s assume, for argument, that those Blacks at the top of income actually got there by merit. We will use IQ/Education as the yardstick. Further, let’s assume this Black couple is of the same mean intelligence as Whites at their SES level. Let’s say that Black couple both have an IQ=110, roughly in the league of highly-paid and educated professionals of any race. Alas biology in her vagaries dictates that children born to that couple, even if both be well above the average for their race (and they are) will “regress to the mean,” in this case, of IQ which is largely genetically determined. They will tend very slightly to be a bit on the right side of the bell curve, but most offspring will be around the race’s average, about 85 IQ which is nothing to brag about.

    The above, in my opinion, will largely explain the fact (?) trumpeted in the headline.

  143. @Steve Sailer
    @cityview

    Mayor Rahm's neighborhood was a really nice one with nice people: We'd take our kids trick-or-treating there because everybody on the block decorated for Halloween and greeted kids warmly. If I'd made twice as much money, I'd definitely have considered moving there. If I'd made ten times as much, I probably wouldn't, in that it wasn't anything fancy, it just looked like a nice suburban neighborhood out of a John Hughes movie that happened to be in the middle of Chicago's north side, and there were only a few blocks like that.

    In general, there are very few detached single family homes facing Lake Michigan in Chicago, which has done a good job of building tall apartments right along the lake. This is in contrast to Southern California where density next to the beaches is kept ridiculously low. There are single family detached houses on the sand in Santa Monica. There are practically no high rises with ocean views in SoCal.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Renard, @cityview

    Seal Beach is like that. In 1978, I lived there for half a year at my sister’s place a block from the beach, in a two story apartment building on a simple street (7th) in the little town. I walked to the beach almost every day, and all along the sand there were houses or similarly small buildings. It was pretty cool.

    I don’t see any argument either in favor or against low-density housing on coastlines. You appear to feel differently. Personally, I don’t particularly like high rises, and I don’t see any great arguments for them. God didn’t create any unalienable rights for newcomers to take up residency in the beach, and nobody is obligated to do “a good job of building tall apartments right along” the sand.

  144. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    BTW, native Maine whites, although they are white people and not as violent as blacks, can be pretty low class themselves – issues with alcohol, drugs, etc. Not all white people are the same. Maine whites are a notch above W. Va. whites but distinctly below Mass. whites.
     
    Agree. I'm not all that familiar with Maine but these same sorts of issues are evident in my Iowa heimat, and even within my own middle class family.

    Even beyond different ethnic groups--herding and mountain people (like the Scots-Irish, Irish) tend be quite a bit more "troublesome" than settled agriculturalists (like Anglos and Germans). (The Jews obviously have a herding origin but are known for the smarts they evolved as a middleman minority--and I'd say the destruction of the 2nd temple and the supremacy of rabbinic Judaism giving literacy high status was an additional push.)

    Even beyond these innate differences two big things have happened:
    -- out migration from agricultural regions to larger, especially coastal, metros
    -- breakdown of traditional Christian morality/norms.

    In my mom's generation two of smartest kids (including her) made their lives in major metros outside Iowa. Among my cousins probably the smartest outside of me and my brother are lawyers in East coast metros.

    The cousins' kids are generally doing ok--mostly urban and outside Iowa. The smartest (my son aside) doctors in major metros. But I had a cousin--a terrific all-American boy type growing up--who volunteered to fly helicopters in Vietnam. He returned with a chest full of medals (a DFC, two Bronze stars and four Purple Hearts) but not in good shape either physically or mentally and was not around to father his daughter properly. And she has succumbed to the common the post-Christian breakdown--multiple illegitimate children from different fathers.

    I still know some very sharp on the ball people still in rural Iowa. But on the whole, I've little doubt it--and other parts of rural America--are less smart and on the ball than they used to be, as well as beset with more maldies from post-Christian societal breakdown.


    But simply being a white area is going to have more and more appeal as America further browns--Latinoizes. Personally, I'd opt more for Montana, Idaho, Steve's Spokane, that sort of thing, where the base population is Anglo-Germanic and there is pull from excellent outdoor scenery/amenities. But all white areas will become more appealing as whites become increasingly scarce.

    Replies: @Muggles, @Alden, @That Would Be Telling, @Anonymous, @Ben the Layabout

    Some of the change you’ve described is largely the theme of Charles Murray’s book Coming Apart. Rather than post-Christian, he attributes many of the changes of society to what he calls cognitive sorting, a much stronger valuation of native intelligence or, especially, higher education, than was the norm generations ago. Advanced education was so highly valued that it tended to drain the most talented from the hinterlands into the big cities from which, as a rule, few ever returned to the boondocks.
    Society became more status conscious. As Murray tells it, the rich did not distance themselves as far from the common folk way back, as came to be the case later. One example of this, not sure if it appears in this book, is the ratio between a large corporation’s average workers and the top management. 80 years ago that ratio might have been 10:1. Today? Probably more like 100:1. Or, if you’d like to use more Biblical imagery, more people chose to worship Mammon.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Ben the Layabout

    Murray grew up in a small town in Iowa that still has the white collar headquarters of Maytag. When he was a kid, Maytag executives like his dad lived in the small town. But now they mostly live in the nicest suburb of Des Moines and reverse commute 35 miles each way.

  145. @Larry, San Francisco
    @Ian Smith

    Israel had a close relationship with apartheid Era South Africa

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Ian Smith

  146. @Muggles
    @Alden


    The insanity of DC liberals. They work and live in one of the blackest highest crime lowest school scores parts of the country.
     
    No, liberal whites live in Georgetown (a fairly distinct rich white enclave) or certain other enclaves (NW I think) where high prices keep neighbors mostly friendly. The DC cops know where to police and where to avoid.

    Likewise liberals don't send their kids to DC public schools. Many private and/or religious private options.

    The poorer ones (Whites) live in adjacent mostly White northern Virginia suburbs, which vote monolithically for the Comrades. But their schools are mainly non black and neighborhoods also non "diverse." Some live in farther away Maryland suburbs which again, are mostly for affluent government parasites who can afford that and the commute.

    The Mean Streets of DC are rarely seen by said liberals. The Metro likewise is very heavily policed and not like the garbage, rat, and zombie infested ones in NYC.

    Still some Seth Rich types get mysteriously murdered even though in "good areas." "Nothing to see here" folks, we are told about that.

    (Either gay trick gone bad or too much info on La Hillary & Company. Take your guess...)

    Replies: @Alden, @cityview, @Ben the Layabout

    Muggles’s comments sound correct. Washington, D.C. is unusual in many ways. One of those not widely known except to locals is the dramatic gentrification of the past few decades. Some of this renaissance is due to the never-ending growth of the Federal government and its tentacles of course, but also the desire to avoid spending four hours per day commuting plays a big role.

    From ~1970-80, White share was as low as 28% and Black as high as 71% [Source: Wikipedia] Now Blacks are just 45% and of course, by far the major source of crime. I could not find recent homicide statistics by race, not surprising since the Liberals don’t like advertise failure. Other than the infrequent very odd murder of a political staffer, substantially all the violent crime in our Nation’s Crappin’ Hole is perpetrated by Blacks.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Ben the Layabout

    I often look at 2018-2021 homicide data from the CDC to get a sense of recent rates. But the CDC won't tell me how many white residents of DC died by homicide over those four years because it won't report, for reasonable privacy protection reasons, any total less than ten. So, no more than a couple of white residents of DC on average are murdered each year recently.

  147. When it comes to affirmative action in college admissions, for example, many say that children from poor, white families should receive preferential treatment, as well

    Sure would like to see an example of that.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    @Veteran Aryan

    If "affirmative action" was based on "class" and economic status rather than race, I think many people would be OK with that.
    As it stands now, millionaire oprah winfrey's child would qualify for "affirmative action" help while a poor White Appalachian child still would not qualify.
    Blacks are too stupid to see that the present-day form of "affirmative action" only affirms their own stupidity and inability to function in White society without "help".
    Best regards,

  148. @Ben the Layabout
    @Muggles

    Muggles's comments sound correct. Washington, D.C. is unusual in many ways. One of those not widely known except to locals is the dramatic gentrification of the past few decades. Some of this renaissance is due to the never-ending growth of the Federal government and its tentacles of course, but also the desire to avoid spending four hours per day commuting plays a big role.

    From ~1970-80, White share was as low as 28% and Black as high as 71% [Source: Wikipedia] Now Blacks are just 45% and of course, by far the major source of crime. I could not find recent homicide statistics by race, not surprising since the Liberals don't like advertise failure. Other than the infrequent very odd murder of a political staffer, substantially all the violent crime in our Nation's Crappin' Hole is perpetrated by Blacks.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    I often look at 2018-2021 homicide data from the CDC to get a sense of recent rates. But the CDC won’t tell me how many white residents of DC died by homicide over those four years because it won’t report, for reasonable privacy protection reasons, any total less than ten. So, no more than a couple of white residents of DC on average are murdered each year recently.

  149. @Ben the Layabout
    @AnotherDad

    Some of the change you've described is largely the theme of Charles Murray's book Coming Apart. Rather than post-Christian, he attributes many of the changes of society to what he calls cognitive sorting, a much stronger valuation of native intelligence or, especially, higher education, than was the norm generations ago. Advanced education was so highly valued that it tended to drain the most talented from the hinterlands into the big cities from which, as a rule, few ever returned to the boondocks.
    Society became more status conscious. As Murray tells it, the rich did not distance themselves as far from the common folk way back, as came to be the case later. One example of this, not sure if it appears in this book, is the ratio between a large corporation's average workers and the top management. 80 years ago that ratio might have been 10:1. Today? Probably more like 100:1. Or, if you'd like to use more Biblical imagery, more people chose to worship Mammon.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Murray grew up in a small town in Iowa that still has the white collar headquarters of Maytag. When he was a kid, Maytag executives like his dad lived in the small town. But now they mostly live in the nicest suburb of Des Moines and reverse commute 35 miles each way.

    • Thanks: That Would Be Telling
  150. @Veracitor
    @Arclight

    Yeah. The children of blacks and whites exhibit reversion toward the mean, but that indicates reversion toward more crime for rich blacks’ kids and toward less for poor whites’ kids. Then you add in the “going for a ride with cousins” problem—the rich black kids’ cousins tend to be more criminal (this is also predicted by reversion-toward).

    I knew a pretty mature black man (like 28 years old) with a high-paying corporate tech job (that he could do fairly well— there was a tinge of AA, but he was inside the acceptable performance band) who earned a long trip to state prison as an active accessory to murder because he drove the car from which his cousins assassinated (by pistol fire) a dope dealer with whom they had a beef, when they saw him emerging from a bar. They all fled the scene after the shooting and it took the cops a while to identify and catch them. The one I knew facilitated the evasion— his normal middle-class lifestyle did not prompt him to avoid his lowlife kin, to refuse to participate in their heinous crimes, nor to betray them to the police afterward (when he could have claimed coercion, turned State’s evidence, and likely gotten himself off while sending his companions to prison as they fully deserved). A lot of people in the office were shocked when he was arrested.

    While one can imagine transracial adoption severing the criminal-cousins links, it could not fix personal reversion toward the mean, and the studies I’ve read seem to confirm that supposition.

    Replies: @Arclight, @Pontius

    I worked with a guy a few years ago who was drafted by a professional football team ( admittedly, CFL) who recounted with great relish his nights spent with Chicongo teens who skooled him on the unique qualities of sparkplug ceramics for smashing windows. He was an engineering technologist grad who should have known better, but there seems to be a lure to naughtiness that blacks find irresistible. He also said banging fat chicks in Minot, and watching AH64’s fly over before the big game were ultra cool. His big ambition was to move to Atlanta and work to re-elect Obama.

  151. @Steve Sailer
    @cityview

    Mayor Rahm's neighborhood was a really nice one with nice people: We'd take our kids trick-or-treating there because everybody on the block decorated for Halloween and greeted kids warmly. If I'd made twice as much money, I'd definitely have considered moving there. If I'd made ten times as much, I probably wouldn't, in that it wasn't anything fancy, it just looked like a nice suburban neighborhood out of a John Hughes movie that happened to be in the middle of Chicago's north side, and there were only a few blocks like that.

    In general, there are very few detached single family homes facing Lake Michigan in Chicago, which has done a good job of building tall apartments right along the lake. This is in contrast to Southern California where density next to the beaches is kept ridiculously low. There are single family detached houses on the sand in Santa Monica. There are practically no high rises with ocean views in SoCal.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Renard, @cityview

    There are practically no high rises with ocean views in SoCal.

    Are you serious? Or do you mean ones right on the sand [even SD has some of those]? Even Century City high rises can see the ocean. Heck, even some downtown high rises can see the ocean!

  152. @Tiny Duck
    @Almost Missouri

    white males commit more crimes than any other demographic by far.

    https://www.al.com/news/2022/10/tubervilles-reparations-remark-ignores-fact-white-people-commit-most-crimes.html

    Read Leonard Pitts

    Replies: @interesting, @Muggles, @Wade Hampton, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    “white males commit more crimes than any other demographic by far.”

    Well, sure… on “Law and Order” at least.

  153. @Steve Sailer
    @cityview

    Mayor Rahm's neighborhood was a really nice one with nice people: We'd take our kids trick-or-treating there because everybody on the block decorated for Halloween and greeted kids warmly. If I'd made twice as much money, I'd definitely have considered moving there. If I'd made ten times as much, I probably wouldn't, in that it wasn't anything fancy, it just looked like a nice suburban neighborhood out of a John Hughes movie that happened to be in the middle of Chicago's north side, and there were only a few blocks like that.

    In general, there are very few detached single family homes facing Lake Michigan in Chicago, which has done a good job of building tall apartments right along the lake. This is in contrast to Southern California where density next to the beaches is kept ridiculously low. There are single family detached houses on the sand in Santa Monica. There are practically no high rises with ocean views in SoCal.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Renard, @cityview

    I remember you mentioning your family’s trick-or-treating in Rahm Emanuel’s neighborhood, and how much you enjoyed the warmth and friendliness. I think your family might have enjoyed Halloween in Ravenswood at exactly the right time. Since I live downtown, it isn’t my neighborhood, but I think it might not be quite as busy with activity as it was then. It’s just my impression, but Chicago has lost a lot of people as they have moved out. Those North Side neighborhoods up that way (and I’ve been there many, many times) have been pummeled with crime for the past 2 1/2 years. I wish this weren’t true, and I hope the worst is over.

    Speaking of family fun not too far from there, the St. Alphonsus community Christmas tree in December is another such activity. It’s a huge church with an equally huge decorated outdoor tree and events.

  154. @mc23
    @Twinkie

    Interesting that the gap is fairly consistent across all income levels.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Ben the Layabout

    At least the wealthiest blacks can brag that their male children’s SAT is higher (by a few points) than the lowest income White’s.

  155. @Veteran Aryan

    When it comes to affirmative action in college admissions, for example, many say that children from poor, white families should receive preferential treatment, as well
     
    Sure would like to see an example of that.

    Replies: @anarchyst

    If “affirmative action” was based on “class” and economic status rather than race, I think many people would be OK with that.
    As it stands now, millionaire oprah winfrey’s child would qualify for “affirmative action” help while a poor White Appalachian child still would not qualify.
    Blacks are too stupid to see that the present-day form of “affirmative action” only affirms their own stupidity and inability to function in White society without “help”.
    Best regards,

  156. @Moses
    @Twinkie


    What’s notable is that black kids from families that make over $200,o00 – the highest bracket – barely outscore white kids from families that make under $20,000 – the lowest bracket. From the second lowest income bracket and on, white kids outscore the top bracket black kids.
     
    It's almost as if racial test scores correlate perfectly with racial achievements on a continental scale, for all races.

    Replies: @AceDeuce

    Here’s Frederick Douglass High School, the #1 high school in Maryland Prince George County (which is an affluent majority negro county) versus Owsley County High School, located in Owsley County, Kentucky (pretty much all White and dirt poor)

    Total minority enrollment
    Frederick Douglass HS 98 %
    Owsley County HS 3%

    Economically disadvantaged students
    Frederick Douglass HS 40 %
    Owsley County HS 96%

    Proficient in Reading (district average)
    Frederick Douglass HS 28 %
    Owsley County HS 44%

    Proficient in Mathematics (district average)
    Frederick Douglass HS 8 %
    Owsley County HS 32%

    • Replies: @Moses
    @AceDeuce

    Yes. It’s almost as if there’s an IQ-related reason that Africans never invented money, the wheel, written language, multi-story buildings, ocean-going vessels, etc. etc.

    And almost as if IQ differences explain >80% of prosperity differences between nations.

    Despite the richest abundance of natural resources on the planet Africa will remain poor as long as Africans are in charge. Because Africans.

    See: Detroit, Baltimore, South Africa

    Replies: @anarchyst

  157. @Larry, San Francisco
    @Ian Smith

    Israel had a close relationship with apartheid Era South Africa

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Ian Smith

    To get nukes. Purely opportunistic.

  158. @YetAnotherAnon
    Who'd be a blue-collar white manager in diverse zones these days? People never take well to being ticked off by the guy who's job it is to do it, but you don't expect to be stabbed to death for it.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11391549/Murder-suspect-appears-court-FedEx-manager-stabbed-death-colleagues.html


    A 48-year-old man has appeared in court on suspicion of murdering a 60-year-old FedEx manager in front of his colleagues in South Yorkshire on Wednesday.

    Ronald Sekanjako spoke only to confirm his name, address and age during the ten minute hearing at Sheffield Magistrates Court today after being charged with the murder of Philip David Woodcock.

    There was no application for bail and he was remanded in custody. He will appear before a judge at Sheffield Crown Court on November 7 for pre-trial proceedings.

    Sekanjako, from Sheffield, is also charged with assault occasioning actual bodily harm, criminal damage and possession of an offensive weapon.

    Mr Woodcock died in an attack in Rotherham on the morning of Wednesday, November 2.

    Emergency services were called to the FedEx centre in Rother Way, Hellaby, at 9.39am on Wednesday to reports of a stabbing.

    Upon arrival, Mr Woodcock was found with severe injuries and the 60-year-old died at the scene.
     

    Sekanjako appears to be a Ugandan name. I wonder if he is one of Boris' 1.1 million visas handed out to fill vital UK skills gaps in the parcel-shifting sector?

    Replies: @Lurker

    Perhaps a rocket surgeon who just wanted to spend a bit more time working outdoors?

  159. @AceDeuce
    @Moses

    Here's Frederick Douglass High School, the #1 high school in Maryland Prince George County (which is an affluent majority negro county) versus Owsley County High School, located in Owsley County, Kentucky (pretty much all White and dirt poor)



    Total minority enrollment
    Frederick Douglass HS 98 %
    Owsley County HS 3%

    Economically disadvantaged students
    Frederick Douglass HS 40 %
    Owsley County HS 96%

    Proficient in Reading (district average)
    Frederick Douglass HS 28 %
    Owsley County HS 44%

    Proficient in Mathematics (district average)
    Frederick Douglass HS 8 %
    Owsley County HS 32%

    Replies: @Moses

    Yes. It’s almost as if there’s an IQ-related reason that Africans never invented money, the wheel, written language, multi-story buildings, ocean-going vessels, etc. etc.

    And almost as if IQ differences explain >80% of prosperity differences between nations.

    Despite the richest abundance of natural resources on the planet Africa will remain poor as long as Africans are in charge. Because Africans.

    See: Detroit, Baltimore, South Africa

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    @Moses

    Let’s look at the differences between blacks and every other race…

    Europeans and Asians lived in harsh climates where life was (and still is) a struggle. In order to feed one’s self and family, it was necessary to domesticate both plants and animals. Ways were found that stressed preparing for the future, as there would be “lean” as well as “good” years when it came to animal and plant production. Both Europeans and Asians found ways to use plants and animals to insure their survival. Planning for the future was always a part of the European and Asian psyches. Social structures stressing “commonality of race and purpose” and preparing for uncertain futures was always part of the plan.
    Contrast that with blacks on the African continent, where both wildlife and animals were abundant. It was not necessary for Africans to establish agriculture or animal husbandry, as both were “there for the taking”. Africans cared little for future planning, not being able to develop any inventions, such as the wheel or boat. Among black Africans, there is no quest for exploration beyond searching for food—the next meal. Despite being situated on a great ocean, black Africans never pondered what lied beyond…
    African blacks have no concept of proportion. Although blacks are aware of direction, such as "up", "down", "left" and "right" asking them to determine "how high" or "how much" results in a quizzical, confused look on their faces as they cannot comprehend proportion. This is why almost all blacks fail at mathematics.
    Black DNA does not possess the capacity for exploration, future planning, or invention.
    The “grand experiment” of “civil-rights”, “(forced) integration”, and (misperceived) “equality” (that is still being pushed by globalists and others) is destined to fail. Thomas Jefferson realized over two-hundred years ago that blacks would not be able to co-exist without being treated as the different species that they are. The attempts to equalize and normalize this species was doomed from the start.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @John Johnson

  160. @Moses
    @AceDeuce

    Yes. It’s almost as if there’s an IQ-related reason that Africans never invented money, the wheel, written language, multi-story buildings, ocean-going vessels, etc. etc.

    And almost as if IQ differences explain >80% of prosperity differences between nations.

    Despite the richest abundance of natural resources on the planet Africa will remain poor as long as Africans are in charge. Because Africans.

    See: Detroit, Baltimore, South Africa

    Replies: @anarchyst

    Let’s look at the differences between blacks and every other race…

    Europeans and Asians lived in harsh climates where life was (and still is) a struggle. In order to feed one’s self and family, it was necessary to domesticate both plants and animals. Ways were found that stressed preparing for the future, as there would be “lean” as well as “good” years when it came to animal and plant production. Both Europeans and Asians found ways to use plants and animals to insure their survival. Planning for the future was always a part of the European and Asian psyches. Social structures stressing “commonality of race and purpose” and preparing for uncertain futures was always part of the plan.
    Contrast that with blacks on the African continent, where both wildlife and animals were abundant. It was not necessary for Africans to establish agriculture or animal husbandry, as both were “there for the taking”. Africans cared little for future planning, not being able to develop any inventions, such as the wheel or boat. Among black Africans, there is no quest for exploration beyond searching for food—the next meal. Despite being situated on a great ocean, black Africans never pondered what lied beyond…
    African blacks have no concept of proportion. Although blacks are aware of direction, such as “up”, “down”, “left” and “right” asking them to determine “how high” or “how much” results in a quizzical, confused look on their faces as they cannot comprehend proportion. This is why almost all blacks fail at mathematics.
    Black DNA does not possess the capacity for exploration, future planning, or invention.
    The “grand experiment” of “civil-rights”, “(forced) integration”, and (misperceived) “equality” (that is still being pushed by globalists and others) is destined to fail. Thomas Jefferson realized over two-hundred years ago that blacks would not be able to co-exist without being treated as the different species that they are. The attempts to equalize and normalize this species was doomed from the start.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @anarchyst

    "It was not necessary for Africans to establish agriculture"

    But they did. Sub-Saharans have been practicing agriculture with iron tools for thousands of years.

    , @John Johnson
    @anarchyst

    Among black Africans, there is no quest for exploration beyond searching for food—the next meal. Despite being situated on a great ocean, black Africans never pondered what lied beyond

    Or what was inside of it.

    Fishing was actually introduced to Africans.

    Strange but true.

  161. @anarchyst
    @Moses

    Let’s look at the differences between blacks and every other race…

    Europeans and Asians lived in harsh climates where life was (and still is) a struggle. In order to feed one’s self and family, it was necessary to domesticate both plants and animals. Ways were found that stressed preparing for the future, as there would be “lean” as well as “good” years when it came to animal and plant production. Both Europeans and Asians found ways to use plants and animals to insure their survival. Planning for the future was always a part of the European and Asian psyches. Social structures stressing “commonality of race and purpose” and preparing for uncertain futures was always part of the plan.
    Contrast that with blacks on the African continent, where both wildlife and animals were abundant. It was not necessary for Africans to establish agriculture or animal husbandry, as both were “there for the taking”. Africans cared little for future planning, not being able to develop any inventions, such as the wheel or boat. Among black Africans, there is no quest for exploration beyond searching for food—the next meal. Despite being situated on a great ocean, black Africans never pondered what lied beyond…
    African blacks have no concept of proportion. Although blacks are aware of direction, such as "up", "down", "left" and "right" asking them to determine "how high" or "how much" results in a quizzical, confused look on their faces as they cannot comprehend proportion. This is why almost all blacks fail at mathematics.
    Black DNA does not possess the capacity for exploration, future planning, or invention.
    The “grand experiment” of “civil-rights”, “(forced) integration”, and (misperceived) “equality” (that is still being pushed by globalists and others) is destined to fail. Thomas Jefferson realized over two-hundred years ago that blacks would not be able to co-exist without being treated as the different species that they are. The attempts to equalize and normalize this species was doomed from the start.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @John Johnson

    “It was not necessary for Africans to establish agriculture”

    But they did. Sub-Saharans have been practicing agriculture with iron tools for thousands of years.

  162. @Almost Missouri
    @Prester John

    Probably Edmund Perry, who teamed up with his also groomed-for-prep-school brother to attack a lone white guy one night after basketball for some quick cash. The white guy turned out to be a plainclothes police officer though, so he was armed and shot Perry.

    The usual suspects attempted to make a Trayvon Martin/George Floyd situation out it, but the Perry brothers were too obviously at fault.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Edmund_Perry

    Replies: @Jack D, @Achmed E. Newman, @Polistra, @Joe Stalin, @Nicholas Stix

    “The usual suspects attempted to make a Trayvon Martin/George Floyd situation out it, but the Perry brothers were too obviously at fault.”

    AM, I don’t think the issue was that the Perrys were “too obviously at fault.” We have seen so many cases in which black would-be killers were obviously at fault, yet that didn’t help their victims. The essential difference between then and now is that every institution has been saturated with black supremacists and White allies. Thus, it takes the rare White with incredible courage in such settings, e.g., St. Louis County DA Robert McCulloch, to refrain from seeking to railroad innocent Whites.

  163. @TWS
    If the data is from 85 there's been social changes that could possibly indicate more dysfunction from whites and others.

    The res used to have three paths, professional Indian, good behavior, good diction and a desire to work for a government agency or NGO. If you are really talented go for the brass ring and try for an actual professional career.

    With minimally good grades most kids from the res get a full ride.

    Two was to be authentic. Maybe with a foray into AIM or some other Subversive type group. You get a job your grandad did, you learn enough to talk to your elders and you live on or near the res. You might learn traditional stuff like outdoorsman skills, leather or wood working my best friend makes beautiful totem poles his wife makes really nice dresses.

    Third path was assimilation. You left the res and became 'French Canadian' or something similar. My mom's best friend did that. Up until the sixties it was the best path.

    Starting in the nineties kids started assimilating to the black standards absolutely corrosive as battery acid.

    I believe the same thing happened to the white community. Kids idolized criminals as long as they could rhyme obscenities to a primitive beat. Kids started using drugs that severely changed their personalities like meth and high THC MJ. They dressed like retarded scarecrows in their mothers old lounging clothes and carried useless pistols.

    Just a feeling but I think the lower class whites are committing more crime than in 85. But clearly so is upper class blacks so...

    Replies: @Feryl

    Ackshully, the data is for Generation Jones whites (specifically those born from ’57-’65) who are probably the most troubled white cohort. Teenagers (including white ones) were out of control in the 70’s, and they carried those vices into adulthood. Gen X and Millennial whites have been in many ways more responsible than Gen Jones whites (however, the jury is still out on Gen Z). As someone born in ’85, I remember authority figures in the 90’s and 2000’s being (relatively) respected by young people (indeed, rates of poor behavior among teens and children plummeted by the late 90’s). On the other hand, record numbers of cops were murdered in the 70’s.

    Right now I’d say that the biggest problem with all generations of whites born after circa 1955 is alienation and depression, as opposed to violent acting out.

  164. (indeed, rates of poor behavior among teens and children plummeted by the late 90’s).

    Where can I find this? And what, exactly, is “poor behavior”?

    On the other hand, record numbers of cops were murdered in the 70’s.

    Almost all by negroes.

  165. Have a nice life teaching history at frigid Bowdoin or remote Whitman.

    If he’s studying von Mises and Schumpeter, he can partake in a liberaltarian gravy train – and probably will. Effective Altruism is so f***ing lucrative right now.

    • Replies: @smetana
    @smetana


    Effective Altruism is so f***ing lucrative right now.
     
    Well, this comment aged poorly. Within hours, the effective altruists at FTX and Alameda Research were blown the f*** out.
    https://twitter.com/carolinecapital/photo
  166. @anarchyst
    @Moses

    Let’s look at the differences between blacks and every other race…

    Europeans and Asians lived in harsh climates where life was (and still is) a struggle. In order to feed one’s self and family, it was necessary to domesticate both plants and animals. Ways were found that stressed preparing for the future, as there would be “lean” as well as “good” years when it came to animal and plant production. Both Europeans and Asians found ways to use plants and animals to insure their survival. Planning for the future was always a part of the European and Asian psyches. Social structures stressing “commonality of race and purpose” and preparing for uncertain futures was always part of the plan.
    Contrast that with blacks on the African continent, where both wildlife and animals were abundant. It was not necessary for Africans to establish agriculture or animal husbandry, as both were “there for the taking”. Africans cared little for future planning, not being able to develop any inventions, such as the wheel or boat. Among black Africans, there is no quest for exploration beyond searching for food—the next meal. Despite being situated on a great ocean, black Africans never pondered what lied beyond…
    African blacks have no concept of proportion. Although blacks are aware of direction, such as "up", "down", "left" and "right" asking them to determine "how high" or "how much" results in a quizzical, confused look on their faces as they cannot comprehend proportion. This is why almost all blacks fail at mathematics.
    Black DNA does not possess the capacity for exploration, future planning, or invention.
    The “grand experiment” of “civil-rights”, “(forced) integration”, and (misperceived) “equality” (that is still being pushed by globalists and others) is destined to fail. Thomas Jefferson realized over two-hundred years ago that blacks would not be able to co-exist without being treated as the different species that they are. The attempts to equalize and normalize this species was doomed from the start.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @John Johnson

    Among black Africans, there is no quest for exploration beyond searching for food—the next meal. Despite being situated on a great ocean, black Africans never pondered what lied beyond

    Or what was inside of it.

    Fishing was actually introduced to Africans.

    Strange but true.

  167. @Alden
    @Jack D

    The low class Whites may be poor unemployed high school drop outs drinkers druggies welfare moms who were raised by raised by welfare moms. But they don’t commit felony crimes the way blacks of all SES do.

    Big difference between class and criminal

    The other thing is that middle income home owning employed blacks are jumped up affirmative action employees. I’ve seen statistics that claim that 85/90 percent of employed blacks work for government non profits and quasi government like schools and hospitals.

    I’m sure some of the young blacks whose grand parents and and parents were well paid government employees are solid middle class.

    But look at the DC and surrounding suburb young blacks whose parents work for the federal government and MD and VA state and local governments. Every black suburb has very low test scores. And high crime Compared to 30 years ago when the suburb was all White. Or the White suburb 2 miles away exact same income same type of jobs high test scores low crime rate.

    Or the state capitals. The states went all out for affirmative action blacks 55 50 years ago. So the state capitals are now low test score high crime towns. Sacramento Ca is getting worse and worse. Isn’t your own state capital Harrisburg high crime high black? Same with St Paul Minn.

    I think some of the lowest crime rates are found in some of the poorest White counties in the country..

    Replies: @John Johnson

    I think some of the lowest crime rates are found in some of the poorest White counties in the country.

    There are poor White areas where law enforcement doesn’t exist.

    I once visited an old gold rush town where the sheriff was at least 30 minutes away. Most of the gold sifting chutes were still there along with satellite dishes for television and internet.

    White people were still living in these shacks by a river and somehow getting by.

    According to liberal theory they should have all kinds of crime problems because poverty = crime.

    I doubt they even locked their doors.

  168. @smetana

    Have a nice life teaching history at frigid Bowdoin or remote Whitman.

     

    If he's studying von Mises and Schumpeter, he can partake in a liberaltarian gravy train - and probably will. Effective Altruism is so f***ing lucrative right now.

    Replies: @smetana

    Effective Altruism is so f***ing lucrative right now.

    Well, this comment aged poorly. Within hours, the effective altruists at FTX and Alameda Research were blown the f*** out.
    https://twitter.com/carolinecapital/photo

  169. Not a real follower of “crypto” as cryptocurrencies have been called, but from what I’ve read the TD;DR: of FTX and Alameda Research is that they gained real money in various ways, spent some of it on “effective altruism,” and replaced that money with the equilivent of their own magic beans who’s real value was nothing.

    Their fall was also incredibly stupid, triggered by a series of attacks on Binance, one of their competitors which after the first attack long ago (and perhaps others) gained significant quantities in said magic beans, allowing them to quickly end FTX when those attacks rose to the level of existential threats.

    So maybe this is not a strong argument against your thesis.

    Also read a headline Honduras which is trying a Bitcoin I think experiment had all their holdings in FTX, which for a nation state is very much cargo culting the concept.

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