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From the Washington Post:

In Miami, your skin color is a better predictor of wealth than where your ancestors came from

To be precise, ethnicity in Miami is a good predictor of where most of your recent ancestors came from (e.g., Cuba or Brooklyn), while race is a good predictor of where most of your distant ancestors came from (e.g., Europe/Mediterranean or West Africa). The latter, race, turns out to correlate more strongly with current wealth than the former, ethnicity.

By Tracy Jan February 27 at 7:05 AM

Race appears to trump ethnicity when it come to predicting wealth, according to a new report examining the economic disparities among Miami’s diverse population.

The report, released this week by Ohio State University, Duke University and the Insight Center for Community Economic Development, compared the economic positions of nonimmigrant black people in the United States and those with ties to Puerto Rico, Cuba and other parts of the Caribbean and Latin America with white people and Latinos who identified as white or other on census forms.

Among the most provocative findings: Identifying as black or white was a bigger factor than ancestry or ethnicity in determining employment, income and homeownership, said Darrick Hamilton, an economist who co-authored the report and leads the Kirwan Institute for the Study of Race and Ethnicity at Ohio State.

Descendants of black Americans, Afro-Caribbeans — primarily Haitians, Jamaicans, Trinidadians and Tobagonians — and black Latinos were more economically similar than Latinos of various ancestry who identified as white, the researchers found.

The median wealth for U.S. black households was $3,700, compared with $12,000 for black Caribbean households and $107,000 for white households, the study found.

Latinos who identified as white generally have higher household incomes and homeownership rates and lower unemployment rates than those of black Latinos, the study found.

More than 17 percent of black Colombians were unemployed, compared with just over 6 percent of white Colombians. Among Cubans, 11 percent of blacks were unemployed, compared with nearly 7 percent of whites.

The researchers combined their own survey data in Greater Miami with data from the U.S. Census Bureau between 2013 and 2015 to conduct their analysis.

The median household income for black Cubans was $22,900, compared with $38,000 for white Cubans. But that racial wealth gap narrows significantly for Colombians, Puerto Ricans and Dominicans. Hamilton said that could be because some Latinos of color may more readily identify as white.

Here’s my doppelganger, former Florida Republican Congressman Mario Diaz-Balart, who was some kind of in-law of Fidel. (They were not friends.)

In the future, this kind of study can add DNA data on ancestry to self-identification.

Cubans and Colombians who identified as white also had higher rates of homeownership, 53 and 49 percent, respectively, than black Cubans and Colombians who had homeownership rates of 23 and 29 percent, the report said.

“It’s controversial, but important,” Hamilton said. “It dispels some of these myths about cultural efficacy and addresses the need to deal with social structures that still put a high reward on whiteness at the expense of blackness.”

Instead, black Caribbean and Latino communities encountered discrimination similar to that of African Americans. Miami’s tourist economy has long relied on poorly paid African American and Afro-Caribbean labor, the report noted.

In other words, blacks tend to be popular hires for public-facing jobs in tourism and travel. (E.g., as you can see at your local airport, blacks have been disproportionately hired for travel jobs since the Pullman porters of the late 19th Century.) In contrast, nobody much cares about actuaries’ races, looks, or personalities, but blacks don’t get hired as actuaries very much.

The violence of the Jim Crow era morphed into racist zoning laws

Redlining!

and land expropriation through eminent domain, researchers wrote. In the 1960s, the government built an interstate through the economic heart of the black community in the Overtown neighborhood, seizing black properties and displacing tens of thousands of black Americans, Bahamians and other black residents.

The real issue about why Miami is so bad for African-Americans is that once Latinos started to take over about a half century ago, they didn’t care much about affirmative action for blacks. So Miami blacks with something on the ball have tended to move to Atlanta, where the white American corporate sector was willing to play ball with African-Americans, while white Cubans in Miami don’t give a damn about African-Americans. So, African-Americans left in Miami tend to be the least enterprising.

 
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  1. Anon[827] • Disclaimer says:

    Maybe because industrial civilization was invented in Northern countries, we are better adapted to what we created, and we have less melanin?

    Nah that’s too crazy. Everyone is the same. Let’s just mix all our food together on the plate and eat it all in one big pile. Sounds lovely.

  2. The real issue about why Miami is so bad for African-Americans is that once Latinos started to take over about a half century ago, they didn’t care much about affirmative action for blacks. So Miami blacks with something on the ball have tended to move to Atlanta, where the white American corporate sector was willing to play ball with African-Americans, while white Cubans in Miami don’t give a damn about African-Americans. So, African-Americans left in Miami tend to be the least enterprising.
    Yet the blacks in Miami still commit the most crime..

    • Replies: @anon1
    @Bruce County

    Blacks commit the most crime (at least in proportionate terms) everywhere.

  3. I’m a lawyer in Miami and have been practicing here for about 5 years. I went to U. Miami for both undergrad and law school. A first year law school professor greeted the class with, “Welcome to Miami. It’s a foreign country, although not Coral Gables [where U. Miami is], which tends to be mostly white.”

    Steve is right-on about white Cubans (who dominate the city culturally) not giving a damn about black Cubans. I’ve been at several different firms and have only worked with one black lawyer, whose parents were American diplomats in the middle east.

    Cubans have a hand gesture to refer to black people: they rub their two forefingers against their other arm. It’s a way to identify if someone is black without actually saying it.

  4. The real issue about why Miami is so bad for African-Americans is that once Latinos started to take over about a half century ago, they didn’t care much about affirmative action for blacks.

    This. I’ve said for a year or two that we’ve reached “Peak Jew”. I’d add that we’re rapidly approaching “Peak Black”. (Again, the fact that you’ve passed your apex doesn’t mean that you don’t have power or, even, that you’re not still on top (Jews), just that it’s no longer as strong and will wane over time.)

    Hispanics, Asians, South Asians and Muslims are far more tribal than whites. (Well, Hispanics are pretty lazy, but they still see race and tribe.) Jews and blacks won’t be able to play the guilt game against them. They look at blacks and Jews as just another tribe vying for power. Going on and on about slavery or the Jewish Holocaust (yep, there were plenty of others so I refuse to use the word “the”) is akin to saying “Ni” to someone outside a Monty Python sketch.

    Whites may be pussies, but other races aren’t. Jews and blacks are used to playing against a bunch of girls. They’re going to be surprised when other groups start pushing back.

    • Replies: @Anonymous Jew
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    I work with a lot of Fancy Asians and (dot) Indians in the Bay Area. You'd be surprised by how much the left's cultural tentacles (teachers, university, media) can pussify anyone. But even pussified, there are still more groups fighting over the same resources. I hope you're right, though, for schadenfreude alone.

    Speaking of pussify, I often wonder how lowered testosterone levels - caused by plastics or some other environmental influence - are driving the Current Year. Even more so than the Rep/Dem divide, far-left pro-immigrant rallies are predominantly female while far-right anti-immigrant rallies are predominantly male. (Maybe my extra long ring fingers are why I find myself reading iSteve in the first place...)

    In case it wasn't already mentioned:

    https://vdare.com/posts/biogeographic-ancestry-cognitive-ability-and-socioeconomic-outcomes

    What's the actual number for the how much variance in White ancestry accounts for Black IQ? Eyeballing those skatter diagrams it looks like it easily meets the minimum of statistical significance.

    Replies: @Lot

    , @Thea
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    At some point whites will push back. Going through shared hardships forges group identity.


    As whites get to be a smaller and smaller portion of the country they will become more and more aware of their whiteness. Up until recently, they didn’t need to be.

  5. Miami used to be a sleepy WASP town patrolled by strong chinned Nordics like Detective Sorenson:

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    @Anonymous

    wow, they used to tell the truth to kids. A bit blunt for my taste, but...

    "the rest of your life will be a living hell." That sums up every homosexual I've known.

    So many modern conservatives would shriek and stop up their ears at such homophobia.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Vinteuil, @Anon1

  6. “Kirwan Institute for the study of it doesn’t exist and it doesn’t matter at Ohio State.”

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Buffalo Joe


    ...Kirwan Institute for the Study of Race and Ethnicity at Ohio State.
     
    There was a Kirwan in Fleetwood Mac before it went all girly.
  7. Latinos don’t care about blacks? Say it ain’t so!

  8. “Race appears to trump ethnicity when it come to predicting wealth”.

    So far, so good. They’re just describing a correlation between factors.

    “Identifying as black or white was a bigger factor than ancestry or ethnicity in determining employment, income and homeownership”

    Now watch what the authors are about to do with the word “determining”. In the above sentence it is used to describe people’s objective conditions of life; used as in this sentence: “through numerous trials we determined that Bill was a faster runner than J’Quantavious.” By the end of the paper, “determining” will morph to mean “limiting one’s access to”, “forcing a person into” and “denying them the means to do otherwise”.

    This equivocation is the fundamental fallacy in Liberal thinking.

    “It dispels some of these myths about cultural efficacy and addresses the need to deal with social structures that still put a high reward on whiteness at the expense of blackness.”

    There is no evidence whatsoever to support the claim that so-called “whiteness” caused anything or that it operated at the “expense of blackness”.

    “eminent domain, researchers wrote. In the 1960s, the government built an interstate through the economic heart of the black community in the Overtown neighborhood, seizing black properties”

    Hah! As though the property owner isn’t given fair market value by the purchasing government agency. It’s the Law! As well, each property owner is perfectly free to file a grievance with the Board of Equalization if they believe they have been stiffed. At the time, I bet, the Afros gladly took the money and ran, hooting and hollering.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @ThreeCranes

    Right. They conflate correlation with causation, presumably deliberately. I would not give them the benefit of the doubt, although it might be helpful to pretend to do so publicly.

    , @BigDickNick
    @ThreeCranes

    "There is no evidence whatsoever to support the claim that so-called “whiteness” caused anything or that it operated at the “expense of blackness”."

    Yes, this is a classic social studies technique of sharing data and then making a statement with literally zero evidentiary support.

    What is the mechanism by which whiteness causes blacks to buy luxury cars at a higher rate than whites, but homes at a lower rate?

    , @AnotherDad
    @ThreeCranes

    Yea, you nailed it Three.

    Essentially the authors here verified--once again--HBD. All the cultural b.s.--i.e. what nurture proponents like to yammer on about--doesn't amount to much. What actually matters is ... race, i.e. genes.

    They spin that as the same old same old--somehow whitey is waving off all the foreign cultural stuff and oppressing all the *black* Cubans or the *black* Dominicans, while leaving the "white" Latinos un-oppressed. Sure.

    But old Billy of Occam has the better bet: The black Latinos just--on average--aren't as on the ball.

    Replies: @Mr McKenna

  9. Another way to see this is the importation of Latin America’s racial caste system. It’s one more example of the culture of parts of the US becoming Latinized.

  10. … expropriation through eminent domain… In the 1960s, the government built an interstate through the economic heart of the black community in the Overtown neighborhood, seizing black properties and displacing tens of thousands of black Americans, Bahamians and other black residents.

    The government would have paid the homeowners for their expropriated properties. And it was 50+ years ago. There may be something else holding them back. Of course, this is based on the wild assumption that blacks have agency.

    • Agree: GermanReader2
  11. I have met a handful black Mexican men. I meet them because they are technicians of some sort with whom I work. (Small sample size with the constraint that they have some technical competence.) They are practical, honest, and have a strong work ethic like other Mexican men of the same station.

    They are culturally Mexican and can stay that way in Los Angeles where Mexican culture is pervasive. Afro-Caribbean culture might not be as positive.

  12. Rolling Stone still thinks it is relevant:

    The Exploitation of Lynching

    Subtitle: America’s most heinous form of racial terrorism should never be used to dodge suspicion of a crime, much less to allegedly stage one</b?

    • Replies: @peterike
    @Peripatetic Commenter


    Rolling Stone still thinks it is relevant:

     

    Ahhh yes, Jamil Smith. He's Rolling Stone's official black-black-blackitty-black writer. A would-be Genius T. Coates, Smith fails to realize he's missed the boat, and that the Jewish media hierarchy only has room for one Genius T.

    Speaking of Rolling Stone, they just recently closed their comments section. They were one of the few explicitly Leftist sites remaining that let you say pretty much anything in the comments without moderation (other than blocking a random list of forbidden words). Alas, they have now shut the door on "repressed voices" like mine. I had fun regularly blowing up the imbeciles that write articles over there. I'm egocentric enough to think that my relentless comment bombing campaign led to closing the comments. Who can say? I need a new target. Does anyone know any other Progressive websites that still allow unhindered comments?

  13. I’ve long wondered why Eastern Europeans, and Russians in particular, love Miami so much. This explains it. Even if you’re a low-status foreigner, having white skin has value in Miami.

    As a very white but not particularly high-status Anglo, Miama just seems weird and foreign. But maybe I should reconsider. Perhaaps there’s a silver lining to the Hispanicization of the United States.

    • Replies: @Anon1
    @Bill P

    Lots of Eastern Euros are scamsters who thrive in the black market economy. The hustler economy of South Florida is very attractive to them.

    Lots of these Eastern Euros have Jewish ancestry, so there are networking opportunities too.

    Another factor is the debauchery, which they want to be apart of.

    Look at the places in which Eastern Euros settle - LA, NYC, Miami. There's a common pattern here.

    Replies: @Hhsiii, @Ed

    , @Anon
    @Bill P

    I wouldn't. Miami is really extremely competitive and tribal. A low-class Nicaraguan is aware of Cuban corruption and a upper-middle class Cuban aware of Jewish clannish ness. As a Cuban once told me "if by 40 you are not somebody, then you are nobody". Very little, if any, charity to neighbor. Russians (women also) in Miami are regarded as tough cookies. It's nice to visit, though.

    , @Lagertha
    @Bill P

    Most immigrants (who finally saved enough money to buy a house in amurickka) still think Miami Vice was real - beautiful weather, and a vibrant, beautiful diverse police force making sure no one wrecks your car or breaks into your home, is the draw. Most of the world from poorer areas is corrupt. Low corruption is the draw. LOW CORRUPTION (seemly) IS THE DRAW.

  14. Miami attracts lots of unambitious people who are looking to party, hook up at nightclubs, and lay around on the beach. This is especially true for Blacks who live down there.

    Miami Cubans (and to a lesser extent South Americans and Puerto Ricans) are some of the most surly, ethnically chauvinistic, and clannish people that you’ll ever meet. They’ve played a huge role in driving out a lot of the White gentile population of South Florida. South Florida Jews seem to be doing pretty well against Cuban aggression, probably due to their strong ethnic networks.

    One of the perks of working in the Miami tourism economy is that you get to meet lots of attractive women and get to be where the party is at. That’s the real reason why so many Blacks want to work in the industry, despite the low pay. There are lots of White men who’d love to have those jobs, but they are wary of Miami’s high crime rate and anti-White racism.

    Lots of White Australian men work as temporary low-paid labor in the American and Canadian ski industry. They’re happy with the work because it gives them a chance to ski, party. and meet women.

    Back in the old days, upper middle class White college students used to work in tourism jobs during the Summer. It wasn’t for the money, it was for the fun.

    It’s disingenuous to claim that the Miami tourism industry is somehow a horrible place to be.

    The people who should be complaining are White gentiles, especially those from working class towns in flyover country. Unlike all these other groups (Blacks, Jews, Cubans, Puerto Ricans, etc), they generally don’t get to live in fun places like Miami.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    @Anon1

    The only thing I'd add is that black fashion models do very well in Miami. Both males and females. The whole place is indeed very international, and--yes--white Americans are pretty much an afterthought at best. Also, there is spectacular wealth around Miami Beach and the islands. A lot of it is Latin, Jewish, and other gangster elements.

    Replies: @Dtbb, @William Badwhite

  15. @Bill P
    I've long wondered why Eastern Europeans, and Russians in particular, love Miami so much. This explains it. Even if you're a low-status foreigner, having white skin has value in Miami.

    As a very white but not particularly high-status Anglo, Miama just seems weird and foreign. But maybe I should reconsider. Perhaaps there's a silver lining to the Hispanicization of the United States.

    Replies: @Anon1, @Anon, @Lagertha

    Lots of Eastern Euros are scamsters who thrive in the black market economy. The hustler economy of South Florida is very attractive to them.

    Lots of these Eastern Euros have Jewish ancestry, so there are networking opportunities too.

    Another factor is the debauchery, which they want to be apart of.

    Look at the places in which Eastern Euros settle – LA, NYC, Miami. There’s a common pattern here.

    • Replies: @Hhsiii
    @Anon1

    Places where there’s fun stuff to do.

    They like beaches and water. Even in NYC where it’s cold a lot they like Brighton Beach, Manhattan Beach, Sheepshead Bay.

    , @Ed
    @Anon1

    The IRS tax scams, where people file tax returns for real people, originated in South FL. So what you say ring trues.

  16. Miami was just about the last major airport in the US to install cart-rental machines. The (Latin) porter’s union kept them out. Tip or trudge.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @Reg Cæsar

    I never packed more than I could carry, so I suppose I was Strength Privileged.

    , @Lot
    @Reg Cæsar

    They always have about 40 of them locked together unused. I have seen one in actual use maybe twice in the past 100 times I have been in an airport.

    Replies: @Captain Tripps

  17. Anon[336] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bill P
    I've long wondered why Eastern Europeans, and Russians in particular, love Miami so much. This explains it. Even if you're a low-status foreigner, having white skin has value in Miami.

    As a very white but not particularly high-status Anglo, Miama just seems weird and foreign. But maybe I should reconsider. Perhaaps there's a silver lining to the Hispanicization of the United States.

    Replies: @Anon1, @Anon, @Lagertha

    I wouldn’t. Miami is really extremely competitive and tribal. A low-class Nicaraguan is aware of Cuban corruption and a upper-middle class Cuban aware of Jewish clannish ness. As a Cuban once told me “if by 40 you are not somebody, then you are nobody”. Very little, if any, charity to neighbor. Russians (women also) in Miami are regarded as tough cookies. It’s nice to visit, though.

  18. Building interstates through black neighborhoods was indeed a travesty, and as explanations go, it’s one I buy as having had long-term effects on black wealth. Redlining is a bad explanation, or, at best, it’s an implicitly racist one because it assumes that blacks living among blacks = economic degradation.

    When I lived in Syracuse, I would look at pre-interstate pictures of working class black neighborhoods. Not wealthy but not poor and certainly not Compton circa 1990. The interstate did have a negative effect.

    • Replies: @gcochran
    @Seth Largo

    I don't know about 1990, but I used to visit Compton circa 1984. It looked fine.

    , @Hans
    @Seth Largo

    That was the case in black neighborhoods across the nation whether there was an interstate nearby or not. There are highways in lots of places and nations but nobody is able to approach the level of dystopia achieved by blacks.

    E. Michael Jones' analysis of (((urban renewal))): The Slaughter of Cities: Urban Renewal as Ethnic Cleansing by - http://www.culturewars.com/Reviews/SlaughterReviews.html

    , @Jack D
    @Seth Largo

    The Interstates had bad effects on cities but not in the way that you think. Highways go thru the suburbs with no ill effects. The highways made it possible for white people to flee the cities and still work downtown. In part they fled to get away from vibrants but in part it was because the city housing stock was getting old and was not set up for a modern lifestyle, especially in areas where the houses were row houses. Out in the suburbs land was cheap and plentiful - instead of a 15x75 lot you got a whole 1/4 acre. People wanted detached houses with a garage and a yard and privacy. Maybe even a pool. And they wanted to drive to the big supermarket and get all their shopping done quickly and not have to lug packages from 10 different little shops where the prices were not that good. While this sounds charming to us, having to do that every day was a real pain in the ass and people couldn't wait to get away from it.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    , @J.Ross
    @Seth Largo

    I wanted to reply right away but failed to refine my phrasing so:
    How damaging would interstates be to black neighborhoods if anybody wanted to ever be anywhere near a black neighborhood?

  19. @Reg Cæsar
    Miami was just about the last major airport in the US to install cart-rental machines. The (Latin) porter's union kept them out. Tip or trudge.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational, @Lot

    I never packed more than I could carry, so I suppose I was Strength Privileged.

  20. Yeah, skin color has everything to do with it…. not everything else that tends to come with the skin color (higher average IQ, technical competency, delayed financial gratification etc

    More FAKE NEWS

  21. I’ve been to Miami several times recently and I’ve always kind of liked the place. I know the people there can be as pretentious as hell, but I enjoy viewing the upper-crust Conquistadore Latin American types on display. It’s not just Cubans who define cultural life in Miami, of course. You’ll also meet a lot of posh Venezuelans, Colombians, Argentinians, etc. who own swanky condos on Brickell Avenue and a high-end colourful wardrobe.

    Outside of few select ghetto areas, African-Americans in Miami also tend to behave better. They seem to take their cue from darker-skinned Latin Americans who know how to act in a civilized way.

    Generally, I find that Latin American culture is underrated in North America. The music is catchy and their cuisine is genuinely a treat. Criollo women know how to keep themselves slim and generally behave agreeably to their menfolk. Our gringas could certainly learn a thing or two from them.

    It always seem to me that articles like this are aimed chiefly to rile people up and ruin a good thing.

    • Agree: AndrewR
    • Replies: @Corn
    @Canadian Observer

    There’s lots of degrees of difference in Latin America.

    Making America Argentina or making America Chile would be better no doubt than making America Central America.

    But I still want America to stay America.

  22. istevefan says:

    Among the most provocative findings: Identifying as black or white was a bigger factor than ancestry or ethnicity in determining employment, income and homeownership, said Darrick Hamilton, an economist who co-authored the report and leads the Kirwan Institute for the Study of Race and Ethnicity at Ohio State.

    Well there you have it. Just have everyone identify as White, and the problem is solved. I suppose you could always stop importing those who aren’t …

  23. “… the need to deal with social structures that still put a high reward on whiteness at the expense of blackness”

    And of course education, skills, and certifications are merely a proxy for whiteness. Employers won’t admit that their supposed qualification requirements are only a subterfuge to excuse wanting more of that whiteness that they can’t get enough of.

  24. Anon[162] • Disclaimer says:

    In contrast, nobody much cares about actuaries’ races, looks, or personalities, but blacks don’t get hired as actuaries very much.

    Thus far the actuarial profession has been mercifully spared the plague of aggressive affirmative action. Probably because it’s a small, technical profession, very off the radar.

    That said. Within the last couple of years, the Society of Actuaries has started paying a lot of what I hope is just lip service to “diversity.” Lots of articles, workshops at conferences, etc. There’s also a “diversity task force” or some such. I can’t quite tell if the people in charge are just naive liberals who actually think there’s a way to get substantial numbers of blacks to pass the actuarial exams without watering them down to nothing or if it’s just a ceremonial performance to ward off disparate impact lawsuits.

    Currently, to become credentialed at the associate level (the lower level) you have to pass seven exams, mostly covering statistics, finance, and specialized actuarial math. I would guess most people that do it are 700+ SATM. The exams are pass/fail and are 100% blind-graded with each exam usually having a 35-50% pass rate. The consequences of this system are exactly what you’d expect: Whites and Asians, few Blacks. In general, there is no trend toward making things easier. If anything, the opposite.

    Here is an example of one of their diversity articles (it’s not particularly interesting but I will link for reference).

    https://www.soa.org/Library/Newsletters/The-Actuary-Magazine/2015/december/act-2015-vol12-iss5-davis-shepherd.aspx

    The authors are shocked, shocked!, that only 1% of credentialed actuaries are black. And 97% “White/Asian,” which the authors hilarious aggregate, probably to avoid publicizing how high the Asian percentage is. Anecdotally, I would also mention that the few black actuaries unsurprisingly tend to be foreign-born, not genuine African-Americans. And because the exams are race-blind, the ones I’ve known have been high caliber.

    In general, the membership is highly resistant to anything perceived as weakening the credential. And there is no way they would be so crass as to have explicitly lower pass marks for blacks. Too apparent and humiliating. So I don’t see anything changing barring some sort of legal imposition.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    If you are an African-American smart enough at math to pass all the actuary exams, Goldman Sachs, Google, and McKinsey would really like to talk to you, so why be an actuary for, say, half the pay?

    Replies: @Anon1, @Colin Wright, @Anonymous

    , @Redneck farmer
    @Anon

    Aren't a relatively high percentage of actuaries female?

    Replies: @Anon

    , @Jack D
    @Anon

    Probably no profession is too small or off the radar to avoid the Gleichschaltung. Eventually they will get around to you. But the low hanging fruit gets picked first. As we have seen with math professorship, if only 1% of actuaries are black, this can only be due to racism. There is no other explanation possible so measures will need to be taken to make the actuarial profession "more welcoming" to minorities. You might think that this could not possibly include reducing professional standards but you would be wrong. As numerous "disparate impact" suits have show, professional standards can themselves be tools of racial oppression, even if they appear to be objective on their face.

    Now, just as when feminists want 50% of jobs to go to women, what they have in mind are nice cushy office jobs and not jobs on trash trucks or as construction laborers, actuary (despite in fact being a pretty good job) is not really what blacks have in mind first - they are more interested in jobs that don't require so much hard work and math and which are a little more people oriented. But, ultimately you can't be allowed to keep this island of racism when the rest of the economy has been "brought into line".

    Replies: @Anon

    , @Chris Renner
    @Anon

    The authors have literally "Othered" Asians:

    http://photos.app.goo.gl/1gk2CWutnEnzf3Av9

  25. Instead, black Caribbean and Latino communities encountered discrimination similar to that of African Americans.

    So they are discriminated against, but by whom? Who’s doing the discriminatin’? Also, does that suggest that, in the Latino world (at least in Miami), white Latino communities have, conversely, privileges similar to that of Anglo whites in the Anglo world (assuming such privilege exists there)? nah they’re all victms of course it’s yt’s fault you racist

  26. I had thought that Brianna Wu was a tranny, but after today, I guess she is after all a true Kuntzman.
    Gamergate trans activist Brianna Wu describes firing a twenty-calibre Armalite pattern rifle:
    https://postimg.cc/FYWpSnCm
    Gersh Kuntzman describes the same, a few years ago:
    https://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/firing-ar-15-horrifying-dangerous-loud-article-1.2673201
    Note: “fully automatic” = firing fully three shots at a burst. It’s not two or one and a half, it’s automatically full. “Assault rifle” = painted a scary color.

  27. OT: Are immigrants from Palestine Persons of Color (PoCs)?

    In a recent exchange during Cohen’s testimony today, Representative Rashida Tlaib referred to herself as a PoC while passing judgement on a white Representative, whom she accused of using an actual black woman as a “prop”.

    How does that work? Is everyone who is not Northern European a PoC? Do their Lives Matter? Do all PoCs have equal status? Can they speak for each other?

  28. I’m skeptical of this report. To Latin Americans race is a continuum rather than a stark division as in the US. Most of these “white” identifying Latins in Miami are visibly mixed and would not be considered white in mainstream opinion. Over the years I’ve known some very light Hispanics, but almost without exception there was something identifiable as Hispanic about their appearances.

  29. In the 1960s, the government built an interstate through the economic heart of the black community in the Overtown neighborhood, seizing black properties and displacing tens of thousands of black Americans, Bahamians and other black residents.

    This is always trotted out to explain black poverty. Has there ever been a study of the health of “historically black” neighborhoods untouched by highway development relative to those bisected by the interstate system?

    To be sure, the building of the IHS affected a lot of urban neighborhoods for the worse. That it would have a disparate impact (hah) on blacks is no surprise, given their greater concentration in cities, to pick one obvious reason. There is also the likelihood that their living spaces, as disproportionately poor folk, tended be less desirable — think flatter land adjacent to railroad and industrial corridors, or any similar places typically avoided by the well-to-do whenever possible. These were, however, desirable from an engineering standpoint, would have been cheaper to turn over via eminent domain, and faced fewer complaints from the less well-connected residents. But is there any evidence, controlling for the neighborhood value, engineering challenges, and with knowledge of the preliminary versus final highway alignments, that areas were targeted specifically because of their blackness?

    Except for the general thinking that auxiliary slum-clearing i.e. black displacement, was a good political idea, I have pretty sincere doubts that blacks were hurt in a very particular way, unless the argument is they had no options for living by the time a lot of the urban interstates were completed circa the early to late 60s, and even early 70s. I’ll listen earnestly to anybody who can show me any evidence that blacks were the deliberate and repeated recipients of poor faith decision making that has rendered them worse off today. Otherwise, I’ll continue to think “muh interstates” is just the older brother to the “redlining” stick they’ve since taken up to beat whitey over the head senseless until the end of all time.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @passive-aggressivist

    I went to school K-12 in Sherman Oaks, CA, home to the busiest freeway interchange in America (101-405) back in the 1970s. Generally, the side of the surface street up against the freeway is more downscale than the rest of the neighborhood, but get simply a block away and there is close to zero penalty in real estate values.

    , @Alden
    @passive-aggressivist

    The 405 freeway runs through some of the wealthiest neighborhoods in Los Angeles and the country; Bel Ait Brentwood Westwood West Los Angeles Sherman Oaks Yet 15-20 miles south that same 405 freeeay runs through wretched oppressed poverty stricken high crime towns like Compton?

    Marin county to Santa Cruz county Ca the 101 freeway runs through more of the wealthiest neighborhoods and towns in the country

    Why is it that freeways cause White neighborhoods to became wealthy and prosperous and black neighborhoods to become wretched poverty stricken oppressed ghettoes?

    Could it be the freeeay has nothing to do with it?

    , @Hibernian
    @passive-aggressivist

    In Chicago liberals complain both about expressways being routed to reinforce a black/white neighborhood boundary on the Near South Side and cutting up neighborhoods in other parts of the city.

    , @hhsiii
    @passive-aggressivist

    They always say that the Cross Bronx Expressway destroyed the South Bronx but I doubt it. Here’s an article that talks about a decaying neighborhood in the Bronx from someone who lived there and left. No mention of the CBE. Seems like she didn’t realize they had it ok and that all the kids left. When a generation leaves things get cheap and the poor move in:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/24/nyregion/my-neighborhood-its-fall-and-rise.html

  30. OT-

    No comment.

    • Replies: @Clifford Brown
    @Roderick Spode

    As an occasionally maudlin Irishman who also happens to be a fan of well executed advertising campaigns, I admire this piece by the New York advertising firm Opperman Weiss, but to be honest, there is little evidence that "No Irish Need Apply" was ever really a "thing" in Amerikay. This signage certainly existed in Great Britain in the 19th Century, but if it ever crossed the Atlantic, it only did so on the margins.

    As a grudge loving, nationalistic Celt, I wish it was true, but the evidence is thin on the ground. Ethnic tension? Absolutely, but such explicit signage was a rarity in our great nation.

    This one also tears me up, even as I recognize it as globalist corporate hokum.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RL9yB0ne67A

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Mr McKenna
    @Roderick Spode

    Corvinus finally made a video? Thank God he didn't star in it.

    All Irish people in America will swear their great-grandfather saw one of those signs.

    http://tigger.uic.edu/~rjensen/no-irish.htm

    , @Coemgen
    @Roderick Spode

    There's nothing I love better than being lectured to by an Irish globalist puppet.

    Tullamore Don't.

    If you want real whisk(e)y, try something from Islay such as Ardbeg, Laphroaig, or Lagavullin.

  31. I have noticed at the Seattle and San Francisco airports that the jobs that would traditionally be held by blacks are now routinely staffed by Asian immigrants. This seems like something that black activist types should care about.

    In New York City, parking enforcement officers (meter maids) were traditionally the purview of heavy set black women. Largely due to ethnic nepotism, black women have been replaced by recent Bangladeshi immigrants, oftentimes well past fifty or even sixty years of age. Why America needs to import men from the Indian subcontinent to work cushy, unionized civil servant jobs with excellent benefits is beyond me. It is completely surreal. My sense is that Bangladeshi immigrants chain migrate grandpa from the old country into Queens and then get him a job on the municipal payroll so that he can have health insurance and of course a generous pension.

    In my experience, it is much easier to charm your way out of a parking ticket with a black American woman than a sixty something Bangladeshi immigrant who arrived in the country just two years ago.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/29/nyregion/bangladeshis-build-careers-in-new-york-traffic.html

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Clifford Brown


    I have noticed at the Seattle and San Francisco airports that the jobs that would traditionally be held by blacks are now routinely staffed by Asian immigrants. This seems like something that black activist types should care about.
     
    I'm astonished. At Minneapolis-St Paul, they're held by African immigrants.

    recent Bangladeshi immigrants
     
    Ironically, New York City structures held the title of "world's tallest building" for almost a century, until 1974. They were knocked from the top spot by Chicago's Sears Tower, designed (or co-designed) by Fazlur Khan.

    A native of Bangladesh.

    Replies: @Clifford Brown

    , @gabriel alberton
    @Clifford Brown


    https://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/29/nyregion/bangladeshis-build-careers-in-new-york-traffic.html
     
    ''It's not that they were wrong, per se, just that the tone felt like they thought America only existed to be all those things for them''
    , @J.Ross
    @Clifford Brown


    In my experience, it is much easier to charm your way out of a parking ticket with a black American woman than a sixty something Bangladeshi immigrant who arrived in the country just two years ago.

     

    They're every bit as meticulous and legalistic enforcing the law on others as they are vicious and opportunistic in loopholing the law for themselves, it's the bleeding edge of Peterike's Law.
  32. @Buffalo Joe
    "Kirwan Institute for the study of it doesn't exist and it doesn't matter at Ohio State."

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    …Kirwan Institute for the Study of Race and Ethnicity at Ohio State.

    There was a Kirwan in Fleetwood Mac before it went all girly.

  33. @Bill P
    I've long wondered why Eastern Europeans, and Russians in particular, love Miami so much. This explains it. Even if you're a low-status foreigner, having white skin has value in Miami.

    As a very white but not particularly high-status Anglo, Miama just seems weird and foreign. But maybe I should reconsider. Perhaaps there's a silver lining to the Hispanicization of the United States.

    Replies: @Anon1, @Anon, @Lagertha

    Most immigrants (who finally saved enough money to buy a house in amurickka) still think Miami Vice was real – beautiful weather, and a vibrant, beautiful diverse police force making sure no one wrecks your car or breaks into your home, is the draw. Most of the world from poorer areas is corrupt. Low corruption is the draw. LOW CORRUPTION (seemly) IS THE DRAW.

  34. Maybe, that is because racist, progressive elites believe that government should pay a disproportionate percentage of single-breadwinner minorities to have sex, reproduce and work part time, or in low-wage temp jobs, collecting welfare during months when they stay under the earned-income limits for the programs.

    They are “poorer” when you do not count all of their unearned income.

    When all of their streams of welfare-for-womb-productivity are added to their part-time or temp wages and their up to $6,431 in refundable child tax credit cash, the most womb prolific of them are often much better off than the white, childless, single citizens, struggling to cover all of their bills on earned-only income from the same jobs.

    And any minority with any less-marketable degree, like say a degree in sociology, communications or a degree in a liberal arts subject, is much better off than a white person with a bachelor’s degree of equal market weight.

    Several Black people with a degree no more impressive than mine have told me straight up that they don’t work in jobs with no benefits. They do not have to since there are always EEOC-focused employers, looking for minorities.

    If I had a dollar for every low-wage, no-benefits churn job that my white-privileged, college-educated, multi-license-holding *** has worked, I’d be rich

    A Black degree holder is much, much better off when applying for a job in the many government agencies, not to mention the many corporate workplaces, with a “diverse” workforce that is 80% minority-dominated, with most of the people who complain about racism discriminating away with no shame.

    Hamstrung, beleaguered minorites are even better off when it comes to making it through the bully gauntlet long enough to get civil servant status in those .gov jobs.

  35. @Clifford Brown
    I have noticed at the Seattle and San Francisco airports that the jobs that would traditionally be held by blacks are now routinely staffed by Asian immigrants. This seems like something that black activist types should care about.

    In New York City, parking enforcement officers (meter maids) were traditionally the purview of heavy set black women. Largely due to ethnic nepotism, black women have been replaced by recent Bangladeshi immigrants, oftentimes well past fifty or even sixty years of age. Why America needs to import men from the Indian subcontinent to work cushy, unionized civil servant jobs with excellent benefits is beyond me. It is completely surreal. My sense is that Bangladeshi immigrants chain migrate grandpa from the old country into Queens and then get him a job on the municipal payroll so that he can have health insurance and of course a generous pension.

    In my experience, it is much easier to charm your way out of a parking ticket with a black American woman than a sixty something Bangladeshi immigrant who arrived in the country just two years ago.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/29/nyregion/bangladeshis-build-careers-in-new-york-traffic.html

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @gabriel alberton, @J.Ross

    I have noticed at the Seattle and San Francisco airports that the jobs that would traditionally be held by blacks are now routinely staffed by Asian immigrants. This seems like something that black activist types should care about.

    I’m astonished. At Minneapolis-St Paul, they’re held by African immigrants.

    recent Bangladeshi immigrants

    Ironically, New York City structures held the title of “world’s tallest building” for almost a century, until 1974. They were knocked from the top spot by Chicago’s Sears Tower, designed (or co-designed) by Fazlur Khan.

    A native of Bangladesh.

    • Replies: @Clifford Brown
    @Reg Cæsar

    I knew that Khan did the structural engineering work on the John Hancock Tower in Chicago, but he worked on the Sears Tower as well. The Weyerhauser Headquarters in Washington State is also impressive. The framed tube style skyscraper engineering first implemented by Khan was perhaps taken its extreme at the World Trade Center.

    From his photos, he looks like he was a pretty cool dude.

  36. @Clifford Brown
    I have noticed at the Seattle and San Francisco airports that the jobs that would traditionally be held by blacks are now routinely staffed by Asian immigrants. This seems like something that black activist types should care about.

    In New York City, parking enforcement officers (meter maids) were traditionally the purview of heavy set black women. Largely due to ethnic nepotism, black women have been replaced by recent Bangladeshi immigrants, oftentimes well past fifty or even sixty years of age. Why America needs to import men from the Indian subcontinent to work cushy, unionized civil servant jobs with excellent benefits is beyond me. It is completely surreal. My sense is that Bangladeshi immigrants chain migrate grandpa from the old country into Queens and then get him a job on the municipal payroll so that he can have health insurance and of course a generous pension.

    In my experience, it is much easier to charm your way out of a parking ticket with a black American woman than a sixty something Bangladeshi immigrant who arrived in the country just two years ago.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/29/nyregion/bangladeshis-build-careers-in-new-york-traffic.html

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @gabriel alberton, @J.Ross

    https://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/29/nyregion/bangladeshis-build-careers-in-new-york-traffic.html

    ”It’s not that they were wrong, per se, just that the tone felt like they thought America only existed to be all those things for them”

  37. @Clifford Brown
    I have noticed at the Seattle and San Francisco airports that the jobs that would traditionally be held by blacks are now routinely staffed by Asian immigrants. This seems like something that black activist types should care about.

    In New York City, parking enforcement officers (meter maids) were traditionally the purview of heavy set black women. Largely due to ethnic nepotism, black women have been replaced by recent Bangladeshi immigrants, oftentimes well past fifty or even sixty years of age. Why America needs to import men from the Indian subcontinent to work cushy, unionized civil servant jobs with excellent benefits is beyond me. It is completely surreal. My sense is that Bangladeshi immigrants chain migrate grandpa from the old country into Queens and then get him a job on the municipal payroll so that he can have health insurance and of course a generous pension.

    In my experience, it is much easier to charm your way out of a parking ticket with a black American woman than a sixty something Bangladeshi immigrant who arrived in the country just two years ago.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/29/nyregion/bangladeshis-build-careers-in-new-york-traffic.html

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @gabriel alberton, @J.Ross

    In my experience, it is much easier to charm your way out of a parking ticket with a black American woman than a sixty something Bangladeshi immigrant who arrived in the country just two years ago.

    They’re every bit as meticulous and legalistic enforcing the law on others as they are vicious and opportunistic in loopholing the law for themselves, it’s the bleeding edge of Peterike’s Law.

  38. Ooh… the word narrative appears in the (overseas) mainstream media. Thomas Mulcair, former leader of Canada’s New Democrats, says about his Sikhcessor:

    Mr Mulcair added: “It will be up to him to perform and do well and connect with Canadians with a narrative that speaks to their priorities.”

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1093217/justin-trudeau-Jody-Wilson-Raybould-snc-lavalin-scandal-jagmeet-singh-canada-politics

    • Replies: @Clifford Brown
    @Reg Cæsar

    I was in a lounge in Vancouver for a work related event last Summer. A posse of Sikhs rolled into the club, several men deep, with attitude, gold chains and muscle. Sikhs are what apparently pass for the "tough guys" in Vancouver. I got along with them fine and found it all kind of humorous. I only wish Sikhs were the tough guys in America sometimes.

    I stand with the Sikh over Trudeau any day. Sikhs, with their martial tradition, at least seem like they believe in defending the things they love.

    Replies: @advancedatheist, @J.Ross, @Anon1, @anon1

  39. What about nose shape?

  40. This is as close as we are allowed to get (for the time being) to “the forbidden admixture study” showing that wealth accumulation is strongly correlated with European/African genetic admixture. Scientists are not allowed to study this — it is strictly taboo in research labs and will result in removal of all current and future funding and even job loss. Amy Harmon and Greg Cochrane argued about it a bit on twitter:

    https://twitter.com/search?q=amy%20harmon&src=typd

    As admixture data collection gets easier and easier, admixture studies which should be done by competing labs at MIT, U Chicago, and UCLA will instead have to be done by small nonprofits and newspaper reporters. But eventually the truth will out about HBD.

  41. In contrast, nobody much cares about actuaries’ races, looks, or personalities, but blacks don’t get hired as actuaries very much.

    More of that discrimination against blacks with mathematical ability, I see. That black front desk agent at the airport hotel might keep a notebook full of calculations about orbital mechanics or something, but the world will never benefit from her mind because of racism.

  42. @Anon

    In contrast, nobody much cares about actuaries’ races, looks, or personalities, but blacks don’t get hired as actuaries very much.
     
    Thus far the actuarial profession has been mercifully spared the plague of aggressive affirmative action. Probably because it's a small, technical profession, very off the radar.

    That said. Within the last couple of years, the Society of Actuaries has started paying a lot of what I hope is just lip service to "diversity." Lots of articles, workshops at conferences, etc. There's also a "diversity task force" or some such. I can't quite tell if the people in charge are just naive liberals who actually think there's a way to get substantial numbers of blacks to pass the actuarial exams without watering them down to nothing or if it's just a ceremonial performance to ward off disparate impact lawsuits.

    Currently, to become credentialed at the associate level (the lower level) you have to pass seven exams, mostly covering statistics, finance, and specialized actuarial math. I would guess most people that do it are 700+ SATM. The exams are pass/fail and are 100% blind-graded with each exam usually having a 35-50% pass rate. The consequences of this system are exactly what you'd expect: Whites and Asians, few Blacks. In general, there is no trend toward making things easier. If anything, the opposite.

    Here is an example of one of their diversity articles (it's not particularly interesting but I will link for reference).

    https://www.soa.org/Library/Newsletters/The-Actuary-Magazine/2015/december/act-2015-vol12-iss5-davis-shepherd.aspx

    The authors are shocked, shocked!, that only 1% of credentialed actuaries are black. And 97% "White/Asian," which the authors hilarious aggregate, probably to avoid publicizing how high the Asian percentage is. Anecdotally, I would also mention that the few black actuaries unsurprisingly tend to be foreign-born, not genuine African-Americans. And because the exams are race-blind, the ones I've known have been high caliber.

    In general, the membership is highly resistant to anything perceived as weakening the credential. And there is no way they would be so crass as to have explicitly lower pass marks for blacks. Too apparent and humiliating. So I don't see anything changing barring some sort of legal imposition.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Redneck farmer, @Jack D, @Chris Renner

    If you are an African-American smart enough at math to pass all the actuary exams, Goldman Sachs, Google, and McKinsey would really like to talk to you, so why be an actuary for, say, half the pay?

    • Replies: @Anon1
    @Steve Sailer

    If you want a Goldman or McKinsey job, you better have an Ivy League degree (preferably MBA) and really amazing work experience. They don't make exceptions, even for Blacks.

    Google might work if you can code and have a software degree. Software companies care a lot about hiring smart people, but they want a software background.

    A high IQ alone, without the correct experience and degree, won't get you too far.

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @Triumph104

    , @Colin Wright
    @Steve Sailer

    'If you are an African-American smart enough at math to pass all the actuary exams, Goldman Sachs, Google, and McKinsey would really like to talk to you, so why be an actuary for, say, half the pay?'

    But conversely, if you're a black who actually can pass these tests, you're probably 'black' rather than black; that is to say, you're racially anywhere from half to seven-eighths white, and it's by no means certain you're from a black background culturally.

    ...but in any case, you're right. It's improbable you'll have to settle for being an actuary. If you're 'black' and can pass those tests, it's the golden escalator for you.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer


    Goldman Sachs, Google, and McKinsey would really like to talk to you, so why be an actuary for, say, half the pay?
     
    Versus Goldman and McKinsey, because the pay is still good (and gets great when you make partner), and you can start out working 55 hours a week instead of 100 hours a week.

    Versus Google because your family/life is on the East Coast / Chicago / Atlanta and you don't want to move to Cali.

    Basically the same reason anyone chooses to go down the actuary path instead of the others.
  43. @Reg Cæsar
    @Clifford Brown


    I have noticed at the Seattle and San Francisco airports that the jobs that would traditionally be held by blacks are now routinely staffed by Asian immigrants. This seems like something that black activist types should care about.
     
    I'm astonished. At Minneapolis-St Paul, they're held by African immigrants.

    recent Bangladeshi immigrants
     
    Ironically, New York City structures held the title of "world's tallest building" for almost a century, until 1974. They were knocked from the top spot by Chicago's Sears Tower, designed (or co-designed) by Fazlur Khan.

    A native of Bangladesh.

    Replies: @Clifford Brown

    I knew that Khan did the structural engineering work on the John Hancock Tower in Chicago, but he worked on the Sears Tower as well. The Weyerhauser Headquarters in Washington State is also impressive. The framed tube style skyscraper engineering first implemented by Khan was perhaps taken its extreme at the World Trade Center.

    From his photos, he looks like he was a pretty cool dude.

  44. @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    If you are an African-American smart enough at math to pass all the actuary exams, Goldman Sachs, Google, and McKinsey would really like to talk to you, so why be an actuary for, say, half the pay?

    Replies: @Anon1, @Colin Wright, @Anonymous

    If you want a Goldman or McKinsey job, you better have an Ivy League degree (preferably MBA) and really amazing work experience. They don’t make exceptions, even for Blacks.

    Google might work if you can code and have a software degree. Software companies care a lot about hiring smart people, but they want a software background.

    A high IQ alone, without the correct experience and degree, won’t get you too far.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    @Anon1

    I know several McKinsey guys and girls without Ivy (or Oxbridge) degrees (and several with). They are all smart (and cynical) though, with lively personalities. Seems like a good gig.

    Replies: @Triumph104

    , @Triumph104
    @Anon1

    I just read up on Pamela Thomas-Graham yesterday.



    Pamela Thomas-Graham (born June 24, 1963) is an African-American businesswoman, corporate leader, and author. In August 2016, Thomas-Graham was elected by the Clorox Company board of directors as the lead independent director at the $5.7 billion Fortune 500 Company. Previously, she was a senior executive at Credit Suisse, and served on the bank's 10-member Executive Board, until October 2015; was a partner at McKinsey and Company; president and CEO of CNBC; and Group President of Liz Claiborne.
     

    Thomas-Graham graduated phi beta kappa from Harvard University with a B.A. in Economics, magna cum laude, in 1985.

    She graduated from Harvard Business School with an MBA in 1988, and from Harvard Law School with a Juris Doctor in 1989. She was an editor of Harvard Law Review.
     


    Thomas-Graham began her career at Goldman, Sachs & Co., where she was a summer associate in the investment banking division while she was student at Harvard Business School. In 1995, she was the first African American woman to become partner at the international management consulting firm McKinsey & Company.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pamela_Thomas-Graham
  45. @passive-aggressivist

    In the 1960s, the government built an interstate through the economic heart of the black community in the Overtown neighborhood, seizing black properties and displacing tens of thousands of black Americans, Bahamians and other black residents.
     
    This is always trotted out to explain black poverty. Has there ever been a study of the health of "historically black" neighborhoods untouched by highway development relative to those bisected by the interstate system?

    To be sure, the building of the IHS affected a lot of urban neighborhoods for the worse. That it would have a disparate impact (hah) on blacks is no surprise, given their greater concentration in cities, to pick one obvious reason. There is also the likelihood that their living spaces, as disproportionately poor folk, tended be less desirable -- think flatter land adjacent to railroad and industrial corridors, or any similar places typically avoided by the well-to-do whenever possible. These were, however, desirable from an engineering standpoint, would have been cheaper to turn over via eminent domain, and faced fewer complaints from the less well-connected residents. But is there any evidence, controlling for the neighborhood value, engineering challenges, and with knowledge of the preliminary versus final highway alignments, that areas were targeted specifically because of their blackness?

    Except for the general thinking that auxiliary slum-clearing i.e. black displacement, was a good political idea, I have pretty sincere doubts that blacks were hurt in a very particular way, unless the argument is they had no options for living by the time a lot of the urban interstates were completed circa the early to late 60s, and even early 70s. I'll listen earnestly to anybody who can show me any evidence that blacks were the deliberate and repeated recipients of poor faith decision making that has rendered them worse off today. Otherwise, I'll continue to think "muh interstates" is just the older brother to the "redlining" stick they've since taken up to beat whitey over the head senseless until the end of all time.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Alden, @Hibernian, @hhsiii

    I went to school K-12 in Sherman Oaks, CA, home to the busiest freeway interchange in America (101-405) back in the 1970s. Generally, the side of the surface street up against the freeway is more downscale than the rest of the neighborhood, but get simply a block away and there is close to zero penalty in real estate values.

  46. @Reg Cæsar
    Ooh... the word narrative appears in the (overseas) mainstream media. Thomas Mulcair, former leader of Canada's New Democrats, says about his Sikhcessor:

    Mr Mulcair added: “It will be up to him to perform and do well and connect with Canadians with a narrative that speaks to their priorities.”

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1093217/justin-trudeau-Jody-Wilson-Raybould-snc-lavalin-scandal-jagmeet-singh-canada-politics
     

    https://images.thestar.com/gXzRi-ZpFR20v2cFsZ4_mSy5-FM=/1086x722/smart/filters:cb(1551220923601)/https://www.thestar.com/content/dam/thestar/opinion/star-columnists/2019/02/26/now-jagmeet-singh-needs-a-compelling-platform/johv510532127.jpg

    Replies: @Clifford Brown

    I was in a lounge in Vancouver for a work related event last Summer. A posse of Sikhs rolled into the club, several men deep, with attitude, gold chains and muscle. Sikhs are what apparently pass for the “tough guys” in Vancouver. I got along with them fine and found it all kind of humorous. I only wish Sikhs were the tough guys in America sometimes.

    I stand with the Sikh over Trudeau any day. Sikhs, with their martial tradition, at least seem like they believe in defending the things they love.

    • Replies: @advancedatheist
    @Clifford Brown

    The Sikh religion originated in northern Indian about 500 years ago, around the same time as the Reformation in Europe, and it shows some rationalist tendencies which make it sound more "modern" than older religions, notably in giving women higher status compared to Islamic and traditional Hindu communities. Given the presence of European merchants and Christian missionaries in India at the time, you have to wonder if white Europeans inadvertently transmitted some ideas into Indian society which influenced the thinking of the early Sikh gurus.

    , @J.Ross
    @Clifford Brown

    Sikhs are good elsewhere, however, in Canada their interests are in crashing trucks and planes.

    , @Anon1
    @Clifford Brown

    Sikhs are heavy set, wide, and burly. Big people, at least by the standards of their South Asian homeland.

    They have the "Gold Chain" personality type you find in Armenians, Persians, Lebanese, and Italians. Loud, brash, unrefined, gaudy, hot headed, confrontational, clannish. Loyal to friends, deadly to strangers. Culture of honor, hospitality, and revenge.

    They're a striking contrast to the effete metrosexual men of Vancouver.
    They're like Vancouver's version of the Glendale Armenians. They're very unassimilated and live in a distinct cultural bubble, outside the mainstream Canadian culture.

    , @anon1
    @Clifford Brown

    Sikhs have been lots of trouble for Canada since the traitorous Liberal party let them in.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

  47. @Clifford Brown
    @Reg Cæsar

    I was in a lounge in Vancouver for a work related event last Summer. A posse of Sikhs rolled into the club, several men deep, with attitude, gold chains and muscle. Sikhs are what apparently pass for the "tough guys" in Vancouver. I got along with them fine and found it all kind of humorous. I only wish Sikhs were the tough guys in America sometimes.

    I stand with the Sikh over Trudeau any day. Sikhs, with their martial tradition, at least seem like they believe in defending the things they love.

    Replies: @advancedatheist, @J.Ross, @Anon1, @anon1

    The Sikh religion originated in northern Indian about 500 years ago, around the same time as the Reformation in Europe, and it shows some rationalist tendencies which make it sound more “modern” than older religions, notably in giving women higher status compared to Islamic and traditional Hindu communities. Given the presence of European merchants and Christian missionaries in India at the time, you have to wonder if white Europeans inadvertently transmitted some ideas into Indian society which influenced the thinking of the early Sikh gurus.

  48. @Seth Largo
    Building interstates through black neighborhoods was indeed a travesty, and as explanations go, it's one I buy as having had long-term effects on black wealth. Redlining is a bad explanation, or, at best, it's an implicitly racist one because it assumes that blacks living among blacks = economic degradation.

    When I lived in Syracuse, I would look at pre-interstate pictures of working class black neighborhoods. Not wealthy but not poor and certainly not Compton circa 1990. The interstate did have a negative effect.

    Replies: @gcochran, @Hans, @Jack D, @J.Ross

    I don’t know about 1990, but I used to visit Compton circa 1984. It looked fine.

  49. OT:

    Harvard coddles students with campus ‘climate’ probe over Weinstein lawyer fiasco

    Harvard is launching a probe into the ‘climate’ of the university after widespread rage over a law professor’s decision to represent Harvey Weinstein, worried the decision to let him have a lawyer has offended the student body.

    Law professor and Faculty Dean Ronald Sullivan’s announcement in January that he would be defending the disgraced Hollywood mogul sparked outrage throughout the university. His decision was met with student demonstrations, calls for his resignation and even acts of vandalism at the Ivy League campus. The university hosted several “listening-sessions” in response and announced the launch of a so-called “climate review.”

    How about “severing the relationship” with the clearly problematic “students”?

    https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2019/2/12/students-protest-sullivan-weinstein/

    More than 50 students called for College administrators to remove Winthrop Faculty Dean Ronald S. Sullivan, Jr., from his post at a rally in front of Massachusetts Hall Monday afternoon.

    Toting signs that read “Do Your Job” and “Remove Sullivan,” attendees laid out a set of demands for Harvard administrators. They called for Sullivan’s removal, a public apology, and a formal inquiry into faculty deans’ responsibilities to students.

    … a Crimson Design editor, organized Monday’s demonstration late last week. She also organized a Change.org petition that calls for Sullivan’s removal and had received 164 signatures as of Monday night.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @El Dato

    Harvard's climate: cold and damp.

    , @Steve Sailer
    @El Dato

    This seems like a new frontier in civil rights: taking away the right of the accused to legal counsel.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @william munny, @Jack D

    , @Mr McKenna
    @El Dato


    worried the decision to let him have a lawyer has offended the student body.
     
    We love the RT for just this kind of snark.

    Well, that and the fact that the RT has more
    journalistic integrity than the US MSM. Lots more.
    , @Jack D
    @El Dato


    She also organized a Change.org petition that calls for Sullivan’s removal and had received 164 signatures as of Monday night.
     
    One hundred sixty four signatures!

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/16/Drevil_million_dollars.jpg

    Bow before our awesome power!
  50. @Roderick Spode
    OT-

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO_NU_kQaa4

    No comment.

    Replies: @Clifford Brown, @Mr McKenna, @Coemgen

    As an occasionally maudlin Irishman who also happens to be a fan of well executed advertising campaigns, I admire this piece by the New York advertising firm Opperman Weiss, but to be honest, there is little evidence that “No Irish Need Apply” was ever really a “thing” in Amerikay. This signage certainly existed in Great Britain in the 19th Century, but if it ever crossed the Atlantic, it only did so on the margins.

    As a grudge loving, nationalistic Celt, I wish it was true, but the evidence is thin on the ground. Ethnic tension? Absolutely, but such explicit signage was a rarity in our great nation.

    This one also tears me up, even as I recognize it as globalist corporate hokum.

    • Agree: Roderick Spode
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Clifford Brown

    The archives of various newspapers from the 19th century have been preserved and digitized in some cases. If you search the classified ads in these papers from this un-Woke era, there are a tiny handful of ads that specify that they don't want an Irish employee, but it was not at all common. In those pre-civil rights days, employers were not shy about stating their exact preferences - age, sex, looks, ethnicity, whatever (within the brief confines of a classified ad). TBH, they (especially small employers who are beneath the radar of the civil rights mafia) still have their preferences - all that happens is that the Irish or black or whatever candidate ends up wasting his time because the employer is not allowed to say what he really wants in the ad.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  51. @El Dato
    OT:

    Harvard coddles students with campus ‘climate’ probe over Weinstein lawyer fiasco

    Harvard is launching a probe into the ‘climate’ of the university after widespread rage over a law professor's decision to represent Harvey Weinstein, worried the decision to let him have a lawyer has offended the student body.

    Law professor and Faculty Dean Ronald Sullivan’s announcement in January that he would be defending the disgraced Hollywood mogul sparked outrage throughout the university. His decision was met with student demonstrations, calls for his resignation and even acts of vandalism at the Ivy League campus. The university hosted several “listening-sessions” in response and announced the launch of a so-called “climate review.”
     
    How about "severing the relationship" with the clearly problematic "students"?

    https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2019/2/12/students-protest-sullivan-weinstein/

    More than 50 students called for College administrators to remove Winthrop Faculty Dean Ronald S. Sullivan, Jr., from his post at a rally in front of Massachusetts Hall Monday afternoon.

    Toting signs that read “Do Your Job” and “Remove Sullivan,” attendees laid out a set of demands for Harvard administrators. They called for Sullivan’s removal, a public apology, and a formal inquiry into faculty deans’ responsibilities to students.

    ...

    ... a Crimson Design editor, organized Monday’s demonstration late last week. She also organized a Change.org petition that calls for Sullivan’s removal and had received 164 signatures as of Monday night.
     

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Steve Sailer, @Mr McKenna, @Jack D

    Harvard’s climate: cold and damp.

    • Agree: ben tillman
  52. @El Dato
    OT:

    Harvard coddles students with campus ‘climate’ probe over Weinstein lawyer fiasco

    Harvard is launching a probe into the ‘climate’ of the university after widespread rage over a law professor's decision to represent Harvey Weinstein, worried the decision to let him have a lawyer has offended the student body.

    Law professor and Faculty Dean Ronald Sullivan’s announcement in January that he would be defending the disgraced Hollywood mogul sparked outrage throughout the university. His decision was met with student demonstrations, calls for his resignation and even acts of vandalism at the Ivy League campus. The university hosted several “listening-sessions” in response and announced the launch of a so-called “climate review.”
     
    How about "severing the relationship" with the clearly problematic "students"?

    https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2019/2/12/students-protest-sullivan-weinstein/

    More than 50 students called for College administrators to remove Winthrop Faculty Dean Ronald S. Sullivan, Jr., from his post at a rally in front of Massachusetts Hall Monday afternoon.

    Toting signs that read “Do Your Job” and “Remove Sullivan,” attendees laid out a set of demands for Harvard administrators. They called for Sullivan’s removal, a public apology, and a formal inquiry into faculty deans’ responsibilities to students.

    ...

    ... a Crimson Design editor, organized Monday’s demonstration late last week. She also organized a Change.org petition that calls for Sullivan’s removal and had received 164 signatures as of Monday night.
     

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Steve Sailer, @Mr McKenna, @Jack D

    This seems like a new frontier in civil rights: taking away the right of the accused to legal counsel.

    • Agree: atlantis_dweller
    • LOL: Hibernian
    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @Steve Sailer

    Oh well, at least they haven't closed Weinstein's bank or PayPal accounts. Besides, if he were really an enemy of the state, they'd declare him mentally unstable, as they do with Trump, but I don't recall anyone suggesting that of Weinstein (did I miss something?).

    Replies: @Captain Tripps, @BigDickNick

    , @william munny
    @Steve Sailer

    Fortunately, there are enough John Adams (or, perhaps more commonly, Saul Goodman) types among lawyers to ensure that even the lowest scum will be represented. Even child sex offenders have no trouble finding counsel.

    , @Jack D
    @Steve Sailer

    Speaking of the right to counsel, I just found out that the President's former counsel, Michael Cohen, is a proud graduate of Western Michigan University Cooley Law School. WMUCLS has the proud distinction of being literally the WORST law school in all of America. Why would a billionaire, in a city bursting to the seams with legal talent, pick out someone from the #1 worst law school to be his counsel? I understand that Trump might not have wanted some persnickety Yale guy doing his dirty work, but there are plenty of Fordham grads and Albany grads, etc. who would have been 1,000 times better educated than Cohen. Did he really need to scrape the bottom of the barrel in this way?

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @Johann Ricke, @William Badwhite

  53. @Anon1
    Miami attracts lots of unambitious people who are looking to party, hook up at nightclubs, and lay around on the beach. This is especially true for Blacks who live down there.

    Miami Cubans (and to a lesser extent South Americans and Puerto Ricans) are some of the most surly, ethnically chauvinistic, and clannish people that you'll ever meet. They've played a huge role in driving out a lot of the White gentile population of South Florida. South Florida Jews seem to be doing pretty well against Cuban aggression, probably due to their strong ethnic networks.

    One of the perks of working in the Miami tourism economy is that you get to meet lots of attractive women and get to be where the party is at. That's the real reason why so many Blacks want to work in the industry, despite the low pay. There are lots of White men who'd love to have those jobs, but they are wary of Miami's high crime rate and anti-White racism.

    Lots of White Australian men work as temporary low-paid labor in the American and Canadian ski industry. They're happy with the work because it gives them a chance to ski, party. and meet women.

    Back in the old days, upper middle class White college students used to work in tourism jobs during the Summer. It wasn't for the money, it was for the fun.

    It's disingenuous to claim that the Miami tourism industry is somehow a horrible place to be.

    The people who should be complaining are White gentiles, especially those from working class towns in flyover country. Unlike all these other groups (Blacks, Jews, Cubans, Puerto Ricans, etc), they generally don't get to live in fun places like Miami.

    Replies: @Mr McKenna

    The only thing I’d add is that black fashion models do very well in Miami. Both males and females. The whole place is indeed very international, and–yes–white Americans are pretty much an afterthought at best. Also, there is spectacular wealth around Miami Beach and the islands. A lot of it is Latin, Jewish, and other gangster elements.

    • Replies: @Dtbb
    @Mr McKenna

    James Michener called Miami the capital of the Caribbean in his book.

    Replies: @M. Hartley

    , @William Badwhite
    @Mr McKenna


    A lot of it is Latin, Jewish, and other gangster elements.
     
    A lot of it is also debt as well as living beyond their means. For whatever reason, being flashy and displaying your wealth is really important to a lot of the latins. I know of a number of white cubans and mexicans that have declared bankruptcy recently. Not business-related, but just too much personal debt. One was an dentist who drove a Maserati, his wife drove a Tesla, and all 3 kids were in private schools. He also "owned" (i.e. rented from a bank) a $200,000 boat, which he kept in a marina that charged him about $500/month.

    The view that ostentatious displays of wealth are tacky seems to be a white thing.

    Replies: @Triumph104, @Mr McKenna, @Peterike

  54. @Clifford Brown
    @Reg Cæsar

    I was in a lounge in Vancouver for a work related event last Summer. A posse of Sikhs rolled into the club, several men deep, with attitude, gold chains and muscle. Sikhs are what apparently pass for the "tough guys" in Vancouver. I got along with them fine and found it all kind of humorous. I only wish Sikhs were the tough guys in America sometimes.

    I stand with the Sikh over Trudeau any day. Sikhs, with their martial tradition, at least seem like they believe in defending the things they love.

    Replies: @advancedatheist, @J.Ross, @Anon1, @anon1

    Sikhs are good elsewhere, however, in Canada their interests are in crashing trucks and planes.

  55. @Anon1
    @Steve Sailer

    If you want a Goldman or McKinsey job, you better have an Ivy League degree (preferably MBA) and really amazing work experience. They don't make exceptions, even for Blacks.

    Google might work if you can code and have a software degree. Software companies care a lot about hiring smart people, but they want a software background.

    A high IQ alone, without the correct experience and degree, won't get you too far.

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @Triumph104

    I know several McKinsey guys and girls without Ivy (or Oxbridge) degrees (and several with). They are all smart (and cynical) though, with lively personalities. Seems like a good gig.

    • Replies: @Triumph104
    @Mr McKenna

    Since so few qualified people can gain admission to an Ivy League college, the top services firms simply request that applicants submit their SAT or ACT scores.

    Replies: @Jack D

  56. @Roderick Spode
    OT-

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO_NU_kQaa4

    No comment.

    Replies: @Clifford Brown, @Mr McKenna, @Coemgen

    Corvinus finally made a video? Thank God he didn’t star in it.

    All Irish people in America will swear their great-grandfather saw one of those signs.

    http://tigger.uic.edu/~rjensen/no-irish.htm

  57. @El Dato
    OT:

    Harvard coddles students with campus ‘climate’ probe over Weinstein lawyer fiasco

    Harvard is launching a probe into the ‘climate’ of the university after widespread rage over a law professor's decision to represent Harvey Weinstein, worried the decision to let him have a lawyer has offended the student body.

    Law professor and Faculty Dean Ronald Sullivan’s announcement in January that he would be defending the disgraced Hollywood mogul sparked outrage throughout the university. His decision was met with student demonstrations, calls for his resignation and even acts of vandalism at the Ivy League campus. The university hosted several “listening-sessions” in response and announced the launch of a so-called “climate review.”
     
    How about "severing the relationship" with the clearly problematic "students"?

    https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2019/2/12/students-protest-sullivan-weinstein/

    More than 50 students called for College administrators to remove Winthrop Faculty Dean Ronald S. Sullivan, Jr., from his post at a rally in front of Massachusetts Hall Monday afternoon.

    Toting signs that read “Do Your Job” and “Remove Sullivan,” attendees laid out a set of demands for Harvard administrators. They called for Sullivan’s removal, a public apology, and a formal inquiry into faculty deans’ responsibilities to students.

    ...

    ... a Crimson Design editor, organized Monday’s demonstration late last week. She also organized a Change.org petition that calls for Sullivan’s removal and had received 164 signatures as of Monday night.
     

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Steve Sailer, @Mr McKenna, @Jack D

    worried the decision to let him have a lawyer has offended the student body.

    We love the RT for just this kind of snark.

    Well, that and the fact that the RT has more
    journalistic integrity than the US MSM. Lots more.

  58. @Reg Cæsar
    Miami was just about the last major airport in the US to install cart-rental machines. The (Latin) porter's union kept them out. Tip or trudge.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational, @Lot

    They always have about 40 of them locked together unused. I have seen one in actual use maybe twice in the past 100 times I have been in an airport.

    • Replies: @Captain Tripps
    @Lot

    Back in the day, practically all luggage was just a big hard (or soft) box with a handle. Hard to lug around. Now, after decades of complaints from travelers, and certainly many product line improvement intiatives, practically all luggage (even the smaller carry-ons) have wheels and extendable handles so you don't need those cart thingys anymore.

  59. @Clifford Brown
    @Reg Cæsar

    I was in a lounge in Vancouver for a work related event last Summer. A posse of Sikhs rolled into the club, several men deep, with attitude, gold chains and muscle. Sikhs are what apparently pass for the "tough guys" in Vancouver. I got along with them fine and found it all kind of humorous. I only wish Sikhs were the tough guys in America sometimes.

    I stand with the Sikh over Trudeau any day. Sikhs, with their martial tradition, at least seem like they believe in defending the things they love.

    Replies: @advancedatheist, @J.Ross, @Anon1, @anon1

    Sikhs are heavy set, wide, and burly. Big people, at least by the standards of their South Asian homeland.

    They have the “Gold Chain” personality type you find in Armenians, Persians, Lebanese, and Italians. Loud, brash, unrefined, gaudy, hot headed, confrontational, clannish. Loyal to friends, deadly to strangers. Culture of honor, hospitality, and revenge.

    They’re a striking contrast to the effete metrosexual men of Vancouver.
    They’re like Vancouver’s version of the Glendale Armenians. They’re very unassimilated and live in a distinct cultural bubble, outside the mainstream Canadian culture.

  60. @passive-aggressivist

    In the 1960s, the government built an interstate through the economic heart of the black community in the Overtown neighborhood, seizing black properties and displacing tens of thousands of black Americans, Bahamians and other black residents.
     
    This is always trotted out to explain black poverty. Has there ever been a study of the health of "historically black" neighborhoods untouched by highway development relative to those bisected by the interstate system?

    To be sure, the building of the IHS affected a lot of urban neighborhoods for the worse. That it would have a disparate impact (hah) on blacks is no surprise, given their greater concentration in cities, to pick one obvious reason. There is also the likelihood that their living spaces, as disproportionately poor folk, tended be less desirable -- think flatter land adjacent to railroad and industrial corridors, or any similar places typically avoided by the well-to-do whenever possible. These were, however, desirable from an engineering standpoint, would have been cheaper to turn over via eminent domain, and faced fewer complaints from the less well-connected residents. But is there any evidence, controlling for the neighborhood value, engineering challenges, and with knowledge of the preliminary versus final highway alignments, that areas were targeted specifically because of their blackness?

    Except for the general thinking that auxiliary slum-clearing i.e. black displacement, was a good political idea, I have pretty sincere doubts that blacks were hurt in a very particular way, unless the argument is they had no options for living by the time a lot of the urban interstates were completed circa the early to late 60s, and even early 70s. I'll listen earnestly to anybody who can show me any evidence that blacks were the deliberate and repeated recipients of poor faith decision making that has rendered them worse off today. Otherwise, I'll continue to think "muh interstates" is just the older brother to the "redlining" stick they've since taken up to beat whitey over the head senseless until the end of all time.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Alden, @Hibernian, @hhsiii

    The 405 freeway runs through some of the wealthiest neighborhoods in Los Angeles and the country; Bel Ait Brentwood Westwood West Los Angeles Sherman Oaks Yet 15-20 miles south that same 405 freeeay runs through wretched oppressed poverty stricken high crime towns like Compton?

    Marin county to Santa Cruz county Ca the 101 freeway runs through more of the wealthiest neighborhoods and towns in the country

    Why is it that freeways cause White neighborhoods to became wealthy and prosperous and black neighborhoods to become wretched poverty stricken oppressed ghettoes?

    Could it be the freeeay has nothing to do with it?

  61. So, how do they explain Vanilla Ice?

    • Replies: @PaceLaw
    @The Alarmist

    The funniest, and most astute, comment in the thread so far!

  62. @Steve Sailer
    @El Dato

    This seems like a new frontier in civil rights: taking away the right of the accused to legal counsel.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @william munny, @Jack D

    Oh well, at least they haven’t closed Weinstein’s bank or PayPal accounts. Besides, if he were really an enemy of the state, they’d declare him mentally unstable, as they do with Trump, but I don’t recall anyone suggesting that of Weinstein (did I miss something?).

    • Replies: @Captain Tripps
    @The Alarmist

    Probably not. If he cops to a psychological or mental issue, that gives him an out, and undermines the radfem narrative that all men are violent sexual predators in the making. No, they need him to be sane, and rational, in order to extend the #metoo threat to all men.

    , @BigDickNick
    @The Alarmist

    remember, he is israeli in his heart.

  63. @Mr McKenna
    @Anon1

    The only thing I'd add is that black fashion models do very well in Miami. Both males and females. The whole place is indeed very international, and--yes--white Americans are pretty much an afterthought at best. Also, there is spectacular wealth around Miami Beach and the islands. A lot of it is Latin, Jewish, and other gangster elements.

    Replies: @Dtbb, @William Badwhite

    James Michener called Miami the capital of the Caribbean in his book.

    • Replies: @M. Hartley
    @Dtbb

    More like the northerly outpost of Latin America, but even that's outdated now.

  64. From Get Shorty, a scene set in Miami:

    Chili Palmer (John Travolta) calls Ray Barboni (Dennis Farina) “Bones.” Barboni’s bodyguard (black) takes offense:

    Bodyguard: “This man is the man, you understand what I’m sayin’, motherf***er? He’s *Mr.* Bones! You speak to *Mr.* Bones from now on.”

    Chili: “Come on, you can do better than him, can’t you?”

    Bodyguard, resignedly: “Not these days. Not unless you speak Spanish.”

  65. @Anon1
    @Bill P

    Lots of Eastern Euros are scamsters who thrive in the black market economy. The hustler economy of South Florida is very attractive to them.

    Lots of these Eastern Euros have Jewish ancestry, so there are networking opportunities too.

    Another factor is the debauchery, which they want to be apart of.

    Look at the places in which Eastern Euros settle - LA, NYC, Miami. There's a common pattern here.

    Replies: @Hhsiii, @Ed

    Places where there’s fun stuff to do.

    They like beaches and water. Even in NYC where it’s cold a lot they like Brighton Beach, Manhattan Beach, Sheepshead Bay.

  66. @passive-aggressivist

    In the 1960s, the government built an interstate through the economic heart of the black community in the Overtown neighborhood, seizing black properties and displacing tens of thousands of black Americans, Bahamians and other black residents.
     
    This is always trotted out to explain black poverty. Has there ever been a study of the health of "historically black" neighborhoods untouched by highway development relative to those bisected by the interstate system?

    To be sure, the building of the IHS affected a lot of urban neighborhoods for the worse. That it would have a disparate impact (hah) on blacks is no surprise, given their greater concentration in cities, to pick one obvious reason. There is also the likelihood that their living spaces, as disproportionately poor folk, tended be less desirable -- think flatter land adjacent to railroad and industrial corridors, or any similar places typically avoided by the well-to-do whenever possible. These were, however, desirable from an engineering standpoint, would have been cheaper to turn over via eminent domain, and faced fewer complaints from the less well-connected residents. But is there any evidence, controlling for the neighborhood value, engineering challenges, and with knowledge of the preliminary versus final highway alignments, that areas were targeted specifically because of their blackness?

    Except for the general thinking that auxiliary slum-clearing i.e. black displacement, was a good political idea, I have pretty sincere doubts that blacks were hurt in a very particular way, unless the argument is they had no options for living by the time a lot of the urban interstates were completed circa the early to late 60s, and even early 70s. I'll listen earnestly to anybody who can show me any evidence that blacks were the deliberate and repeated recipients of poor faith decision making that has rendered them worse off today. Otherwise, I'll continue to think "muh interstates" is just the older brother to the "redlining" stick they've since taken up to beat whitey over the head senseless until the end of all time.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Alden, @Hibernian, @hhsiii

    In Chicago liberals complain both about expressways being routed to reinforce a black/white neighborhood boundary on the Near South Side and cutting up neighborhoods in other parts of the city.

  67. @Anon

    In contrast, nobody much cares about actuaries’ races, looks, or personalities, but blacks don’t get hired as actuaries very much.
     
    Thus far the actuarial profession has been mercifully spared the plague of aggressive affirmative action. Probably because it's a small, technical profession, very off the radar.

    That said. Within the last couple of years, the Society of Actuaries has started paying a lot of what I hope is just lip service to "diversity." Lots of articles, workshops at conferences, etc. There's also a "diversity task force" or some such. I can't quite tell if the people in charge are just naive liberals who actually think there's a way to get substantial numbers of blacks to pass the actuarial exams without watering them down to nothing or if it's just a ceremonial performance to ward off disparate impact lawsuits.

    Currently, to become credentialed at the associate level (the lower level) you have to pass seven exams, mostly covering statistics, finance, and specialized actuarial math. I would guess most people that do it are 700+ SATM. The exams are pass/fail and are 100% blind-graded with each exam usually having a 35-50% pass rate. The consequences of this system are exactly what you'd expect: Whites and Asians, few Blacks. In general, there is no trend toward making things easier. If anything, the opposite.

    Here is an example of one of their diversity articles (it's not particularly interesting but I will link for reference).

    https://www.soa.org/Library/Newsletters/The-Actuary-Magazine/2015/december/act-2015-vol12-iss5-davis-shepherd.aspx

    The authors are shocked, shocked!, that only 1% of credentialed actuaries are black. And 97% "White/Asian," which the authors hilarious aggregate, probably to avoid publicizing how high the Asian percentage is. Anecdotally, I would also mention that the few black actuaries unsurprisingly tend to be foreign-born, not genuine African-Americans. And because the exams are race-blind, the ones I've known have been high caliber.

    In general, the membership is highly resistant to anything perceived as weakening the credential. And there is no way they would be so crass as to have explicitly lower pass marks for blacks. Too apparent and humiliating. So I don't see anything changing barring some sort of legal imposition.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Redneck farmer, @Jack D, @Chris Renner

    Aren’t a relatively high percentage of actuaries female?

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Redneck farmer

    The SOA membership is 30% female and has been trending upward. It’s likely higher at entry level and lower at the highest levels (e.g., chief actuary).

  68. @passive-aggressivist

    In the 1960s, the government built an interstate through the economic heart of the black community in the Overtown neighborhood, seizing black properties and displacing tens of thousands of black Americans, Bahamians and other black residents.
     
    This is always trotted out to explain black poverty. Has there ever been a study of the health of "historically black" neighborhoods untouched by highway development relative to those bisected by the interstate system?

    To be sure, the building of the IHS affected a lot of urban neighborhoods for the worse. That it would have a disparate impact (hah) on blacks is no surprise, given their greater concentration in cities, to pick one obvious reason. There is also the likelihood that their living spaces, as disproportionately poor folk, tended be less desirable -- think flatter land adjacent to railroad and industrial corridors, or any similar places typically avoided by the well-to-do whenever possible. These were, however, desirable from an engineering standpoint, would have been cheaper to turn over via eminent domain, and faced fewer complaints from the less well-connected residents. But is there any evidence, controlling for the neighborhood value, engineering challenges, and with knowledge of the preliminary versus final highway alignments, that areas were targeted specifically because of their blackness?

    Except for the general thinking that auxiliary slum-clearing i.e. black displacement, was a good political idea, I have pretty sincere doubts that blacks were hurt in a very particular way, unless the argument is they had no options for living by the time a lot of the urban interstates were completed circa the early to late 60s, and even early 70s. I'll listen earnestly to anybody who can show me any evidence that blacks were the deliberate and repeated recipients of poor faith decision making that has rendered them worse off today. Otherwise, I'll continue to think "muh interstates" is just the older brother to the "redlining" stick they've since taken up to beat whitey over the head senseless until the end of all time.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Alden, @Hibernian, @hhsiii

    They always say that the Cross Bronx Expressway destroyed the South Bronx but I doubt it. Here’s an article that talks about a decaying neighborhood in the Bronx from someone who lived there and left. No mention of the CBE. Seems like she didn’t realize they had it ok and that all the kids left. When a generation leaves things get cheap and the poor move in:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/24/nyregion/my-neighborhood-its-fall-and-rise.html

  69. For this type of study the researchers need to get DNA samples and get a breakdown of % ancestral group background, in addition to using self-reporting. It would add to cost, but they could shrink sample size, and still improve statistical information content greatly.

  70. @Steve Sailer
    @El Dato

    This seems like a new frontier in civil rights: taking away the right of the accused to legal counsel.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @william munny, @Jack D

    Fortunately, there are enough John Adams (or, perhaps more commonly, Saul Goodman) types among lawyers to ensure that even the lowest scum will be represented. Even child sex offenders have no trouble finding counsel.

  71. This is why ‘Latino’ should be used only for whites just like ‘Anglo’ is. We don’t say blacks in America are Anglo blacks.

  72. @Anon1
    @Steve Sailer

    If you want a Goldman or McKinsey job, you better have an Ivy League degree (preferably MBA) and really amazing work experience. They don't make exceptions, even for Blacks.

    Google might work if you can code and have a software degree. Software companies care a lot about hiring smart people, but they want a software background.

    A high IQ alone, without the correct experience and degree, won't get you too far.

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @Triumph104

    I just read up on Pamela Thomas-Graham yesterday.

    Pamela Thomas-Graham (born June 24, 1963) is an African-American businesswoman, corporate leader, and author. In August 2016, Thomas-Graham was elected by the Clorox Company board of directors as the lead independent director at the $5.7 billion Fortune 500 Company. Previously, she was a senior executive at Credit Suisse, and served on the bank’s 10-member Executive Board, until October 2015; was a partner at McKinsey and Company; president and CEO of CNBC; and Group President of Liz Claiborne.

    Thomas-Graham graduated phi beta kappa from Harvard University with a B.A. in Economics, magna cum laude, in 1985.

    She graduated from Harvard Business School with an MBA in 1988, and from Harvard Law School with a Juris Doctor in 1989. She was an editor of Harvard Law Review.

    Thomas-Graham began her career at Goldman, Sachs & Co., where she was a summer associate in the investment banking division while she was student at Harvard Business School. In 1995, she was the first African American woman to become partner at the international management consulting firm McKinsey & Company.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pamela_Thomas-Graham

  73. @Mr McKenna
    @Anon1

    I know several McKinsey guys and girls without Ivy (or Oxbridge) degrees (and several with). They are all smart (and cynical) though, with lively personalities. Seems like a good gig.

    Replies: @Triumph104

    Since so few qualified people can gain admission to an Ivy League college, the top services firms simply request that applicants submit their SAT or ACT scores.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Triumph104

    I think there's a little more to it than that.

  74. @Anon1
    @Bill P

    Lots of Eastern Euros are scamsters who thrive in the black market economy. The hustler economy of South Florida is very attractive to them.

    Lots of these Eastern Euros have Jewish ancestry, so there are networking opportunities too.

    Another factor is the debauchery, which they want to be apart of.

    Look at the places in which Eastern Euros settle - LA, NYC, Miami. There's a common pattern here.

    Replies: @Hhsiii, @Ed

    The IRS tax scams, where people file tax returns for real people, originated in South FL. So what you say ring trues.

  75. @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    If you are an African-American smart enough at math to pass all the actuary exams, Goldman Sachs, Google, and McKinsey would really like to talk to you, so why be an actuary for, say, half the pay?

    Replies: @Anon1, @Colin Wright, @Anonymous

    ‘If you are an African-American smart enough at math to pass all the actuary exams, Goldman Sachs, Google, and McKinsey would really like to talk to you, so why be an actuary for, say, half the pay?’

    But conversely, if you’re a black who actually can pass these tests, you’re probably ‘black’ rather than black; that is to say, you’re racially anywhere from half to seven-eighths white, and it’s by no means certain you’re from a black background culturally.

    …but in any case, you’re right. It’s improbable you’ll have to settle for being an actuary. If you’re ‘black’ and can pass those tests, it’s the golden escalator for you.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Colin Wright

    Not necessarily. You could also be (in fact are probably more likely to be ) Nigerian or from the Caribbean. Nigerians are likely to be 100% African.

    The population of Africa is 1.2 billion (and rising fast). Let's say that 1/10th of 1% of Africans have the necessary IQ to become actuaries or engage in some other g loaded profession. That's still over 1 million Africans, a substantial fraction of whom will make their way to the West where the pay is better.

  76. @Dtbb
    @Mr McKenna

    James Michener called Miami the capital of the Caribbean in his book.

    Replies: @M. Hartley

    More like the northerly outpost of Latin America, but even that’s outdated now.

  77. @Roderick Spode
    OT-

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO_NU_kQaa4

    No comment.

    Replies: @Clifford Brown, @Mr McKenna, @Coemgen

    There’s nothing I love better than being lectured to by an Irish globalist puppet.

    Tullamore Don’t.

    If you want real whisk(e)y, try something from Islay such as Ardbeg, Laphroaig, or Lagavullin.

    • Agree: Roderick Spode
  78. Instead, black Caribbean and Latino communities encountered discrimination similar to that of African Americans.

    “Encountered” misleadingly implies that hispanic and Caribbean immigrants arrived here from idyllically race-neutral societies and then became racially stratified upon being exposed to racist America. As other commenters have noted, the US did not create racial stratification within the Cuban, Colombian, Nicaraguan and other hispanic blocs in Miami. The racism came built-in. Even 60 years after the first large wave of (mainly educated, upper-class, European) Cuban immigrants arrived, Miami Cuban society is still heavily dominated by many of the same families like the Diaz-Balarts who had formerly dominated Cuba (the two Diaz-Balart US congressmen were the nephews by marriage of Fidel Castro. Miami Cuban society, at the top, is small and inbred).

    A girl in my high school class was the very light-skinned daughter of a former minister in the Nicaraguan cabinet under Salazar. And then there are the dark-skinned Nicaraguans who mow lawns. That racial stratification all occurred pre-Miami.

    Miami’s tourist economy has long relied on poorly paid African American and Afro-Caribbean labor, the report noted.

    Um, no. The report claimed, not the report noted. The tourist industry, especially the public-facing part of it, Steve, is disproportionately non-American black and non-Afro-Caribbean. There are undoubtedly many black baggage handlers and the like working quietly behind the scenes in jobs supporting the tourist industry, but it’s a distinct disadvantage to be black if your goal is to get a job in Miami tourism. The Miami tourism industry, like most of the city, is dominated by white-identifying hispanics who prefer to hire each other or hire white Americans for those public-facing tourism jobs. Like the jobs my white American cousins had tending bar at the Clevelander on Miami Beach, selling sunglasses at a stand on the beach while wearing a bikini top, being a ticketing agent at the American Airlines counter, etc.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Patrick Sullivan

    One of the Diaz-Balart Congressmen, Mario, looks an awful lot like me:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_D%C3%ADaz-Balart#/media/File:Mario_Diaz-Balart_Official.jpg

  79. @Seth Largo
    Building interstates through black neighborhoods was indeed a travesty, and as explanations go, it's one I buy as having had long-term effects on black wealth. Redlining is a bad explanation, or, at best, it's an implicitly racist one because it assumes that blacks living among blacks = economic degradation.

    When I lived in Syracuse, I would look at pre-interstate pictures of working class black neighborhoods. Not wealthy but not poor and certainly not Compton circa 1990. The interstate did have a negative effect.

    Replies: @gcochran, @Hans, @Jack D, @J.Ross

    That was the case in black neighborhoods across the nation whether there was an interstate nearby or not. There are highways in lots of places and nations but nobody is able to approach the level of dystopia achieved by blacks.

    E. Michael Jones’ analysis of (((urban renewal))): The Slaughter of Cities: Urban Renewal as Ethnic Cleansing by – http://www.culturewars.com/Reviews/SlaughterReviews.html

  80. @Canadian Observer
    I've been to Miami several times recently and I've always kind of liked the place. I know the people there can be as pretentious as hell, but I enjoy viewing the upper-crust Conquistadore Latin American types on display. It's not just Cubans who define cultural life in Miami, of course. You'll also meet a lot of posh Venezuelans, Colombians, Argentinians, etc. who own swanky condos on Brickell Avenue and a high-end colourful wardrobe.

    Outside of few select ghetto areas, African-Americans in Miami also tend to behave better. They seem to take their cue from darker-skinned Latin Americans who know how to act in a civilized way.

    Generally, I find that Latin American culture is underrated in North America. The music is catchy and their cuisine is genuinely a treat. Criollo women know how to keep themselves slim and generally behave agreeably to their menfolk. Our gringas could certainly learn a thing or two from them.

    It always seem to me that articles like this are aimed chiefly to rile people up and ruin a good thing.

    Replies: @Corn

    There’s lots of degrees of difference in Latin America.

    Making America Argentina or making America Chile would be better no doubt than making America Central America.

    But I still want America to stay America.

  81. The documentary Cuban-American has a section on race relations and racism within the Miami Cuban population. Several in the film say that Cuba is majority-black, but many white Cuban-Americans think that Cuban means white.

  82. “Among the most provocative findings:”

    I guess “provocative” is a word the chattering classes use to mean “obvious.”

  83. @ThreeCranes

    “Race appears to trump ethnicity when it come to predicting wealth”.
     
    So far, so good. They’re just describing a correlation between factors.

    “Identifying as black or white was a bigger factor than ancestry or ethnicity in determining employment, income and homeownership”
     
    Now watch what the authors are about to do with the word “determining”. In the above sentence it is used to describe people’s objective conditions of life; used as in this sentence: “through numerous trials we determined that Bill was a faster runner than J’Quantavious.” By the end of the paper, “determining” will morph to mean “limiting one's access to”, “forcing a person into” and “denying them the means to do otherwise”.

    This equivocation is the fundamental fallacy in Liberal thinking.


    “It dispels some of these myths about cultural efficacy and addresses the need to deal with social structures that still put a high reward on whiteness at the expense of blackness.”
     
    There is no evidence whatsoever to support the claim that so-called “whiteness” caused anything or that it operated at the “expense of blackness”.

    “eminent domain, researchers wrote. In the 1960s, the government built an interstate through the economic heart of the black community in the Overtown neighborhood, seizing black properties”
     
    Hah! As though the property owner isn’t given fair market value by the purchasing government agency. It’s the Law! As well, each property owner is perfectly free to file a grievance with the Board of Equalization if they believe they have been stiffed. At the time, I bet, the Afros gladly took the money and ran, hooting and hollering.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @BigDickNick, @AnotherDad

    Right. They conflate correlation with causation, presumably deliberately. I would not give them the benefit of the doubt, although it might be helpful to pretend to do so publicly.

  84. @Peripatetic Commenter
    Rolling Stone still thinks it is relevant:

    The Exploitation of Lynching

    Subtitle: America’s most heinous form of racial terrorism should never be used to dodge suspicion of a crime, much less to allegedly stage one</b?

    Replies: @peterike

    Rolling Stone still thinks it is relevant:

    Ahhh yes, Jamil Smith. He’s Rolling Stone’s official black-black-blackitty-black writer. A would-be Genius T. Coates, Smith fails to realize he’s missed the boat, and that the Jewish media hierarchy only has room for one Genius T.

    Speaking of Rolling Stone, they just recently closed their comments section. They were one of the few explicitly Leftist sites remaining that let you say pretty much anything in the comments without moderation (other than blocking a random list of forbidden words). Alas, they have now shut the door on “repressed voices” like mine. I had fun regularly blowing up the imbeciles that write articles over there. I’m egocentric enough to think that my relentless comment bombing campaign led to closing the comments. Who can say? I need a new target. Does anyone know any other Progressive websites that still allow unhindered comments?

  85. @Mr McKenna
    @Anon1

    The only thing I'd add is that black fashion models do very well in Miami. Both males and females. The whole place is indeed very international, and--yes--white Americans are pretty much an afterthought at best. Also, there is spectacular wealth around Miami Beach and the islands. A lot of it is Latin, Jewish, and other gangster elements.

    Replies: @Dtbb, @William Badwhite

    A lot of it is Latin, Jewish, and other gangster elements.

    A lot of it is also debt as well as living beyond their means. For whatever reason, being flashy and displaying your wealth is really important to a lot of the latins. I know of a number of white cubans and mexicans that have declared bankruptcy recently. Not business-related, but just too much personal debt. One was an dentist who drove a Maserati, his wife drove a Tesla, and all 3 kids were in private schools. He also “owned” (i.e. rented from a bank) a $200,000 boat, which he kept in a marina that charged him about $500/month.

    The view that ostentatious displays of wealth are tacky seems to be a white thing.

    • Replies: @Triumph104
    @William Badwhite

    Marco Rubio has an exhaustive list of financial problems. Rubio also had four children in parochial school and bought an $80,000 boat with his 2012 $800,000 book advance money. In 2014, he liquidated six retirement accounts for a total of $68,000.

    Puerto Rico-born Jose Baez, attorney for Casey Anthony and Aaron Hernandez, could not gain admission to the Florida Bar until eight years after graduating law school because he was financially irresponsible. He defaulted on a student loan, declared bankruptcy in 1990, was behind on child support, and spent extravagantly. Baez is currently representing Harvey Weinstein.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @William Badwhite

    , @Mr McKenna
    @William Badwhite


    The view that ostentatious displays of wealth are tacky seems to be a white thing.
     
    Ostentation, like its near relative boasting, seems offensive to no one on the planet save a few northern and western European cultures. I'd like to think that Zen Buddhism may also represent an exception.
    , @Peterike
    @William Badwhite

    “ For whatever reason, being flashy and displaying your wealth is really important to a lot of the latins.”

    The reason is that they’re vulgar.

    Replies: @BigDickNick

  86. @Seth Largo
    Building interstates through black neighborhoods was indeed a travesty, and as explanations go, it's one I buy as having had long-term effects on black wealth. Redlining is a bad explanation, or, at best, it's an implicitly racist one because it assumes that blacks living among blacks = economic degradation.

    When I lived in Syracuse, I would look at pre-interstate pictures of working class black neighborhoods. Not wealthy but not poor and certainly not Compton circa 1990. The interstate did have a negative effect.

    Replies: @gcochran, @Hans, @Jack D, @J.Ross

    The Interstates had bad effects on cities but not in the way that you think. Highways go thru the suburbs with no ill effects. The highways made it possible for white people to flee the cities and still work downtown. In part they fled to get away from vibrants but in part it was because the city housing stock was getting old and was not set up for a modern lifestyle, especially in areas where the houses were row houses. Out in the suburbs land was cheap and plentiful – instead of a 15×75 lot you got a whole 1/4 acre. People wanted detached houses with a garage and a yard and privacy. Maybe even a pool. And they wanted to drive to the big supermarket and get all their shopping done quickly and not have to lug packages from 10 different little shops where the prices were not that good. While this sounds charming to us, having to do that every day was a real pain in the ass and people couldn’t wait to get away from it.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Jack D

    Exactly. Well said Jack.

    For a certain class of people, bitching about "sterile" suburbia, and how it's a big tragedy we aren't all living in the vibrant city, is just who they are.

    But suburban life is popular not because it sucks but because it's nice:
    -- space; in the house, outside--trees, lawn, patio
    -- privacy; neighbor not on top of you nor listening through the walls
    -- quiet; including not being attached to your neighbors' house
    -- easy; drive right into your garage and unload your groceries
    -- safer for the kids to play; fewer weirdos and creeps around

    Yes, some people really do like the city. And young people without kids and on-the-make for sex find it more interesting.

    But the human optimum--for most people--is not the city it's the village. People you know around, but a separate dwelling for your family. This has been the human norm for the past 10,000 years and what the average human is best psychologically adapted to. And ... that's suburbia.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Anonymous

  87. Anonymous[410] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    If you are an African-American smart enough at math to pass all the actuary exams, Goldman Sachs, Google, and McKinsey would really like to talk to you, so why be an actuary for, say, half the pay?

    Replies: @Anon1, @Colin Wright, @Anonymous

    Goldman Sachs, Google, and McKinsey would really like to talk to you, so why be an actuary for, say, half the pay?

    Versus Goldman and McKinsey, because the pay is still good (and gets great when you make partner), and you can start out working 55 hours a week instead of 100 hours a week.

    Versus Google because your family/life is on the East Coast / Chicago / Atlanta and you don’t want to move to Cali.

    Basically the same reason anyone chooses to go down the actuary path instead of the others.

  88. “In Miami, Your Skin Color Is a Better Predictor of Wealth Than Where Your Ancestors Came from”

    Seems like phrasing that as “Everywhere In the World, Your Skin Color Is a Better Predictor of Wealth Than Where Your Ancestors Came from” would also hold true.

  89. @Anonymous
    Miami used to be a sleepy WASP town patrolled by strong chinned Nordics like Detective Sorenson:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltDZWQKNrCA

    Replies: @stillCARealist

    wow, they used to tell the truth to kids. A bit blunt for my taste, but…

    “the rest of your life will be a living hell.” That sums up every homosexual I’ve known.

    So many modern conservatives would shriek and stop up their ears at such homophobia.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @stillCARealist

    Really, life for all these guys is a living hell?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_billionaires

    Replies: @stillCARealist

    , @Vinteuil
    @stillCARealist


    “the rest of your life will be a living hell.” That sums up every homosexual I’ve known.
     
    It seems you've known the wrong homosexuals.

    While the "gay community" is, indeed, off its collective rocker these days, the sort of thing depicted in that video really was pretty awful. I don't "shriek and stop up [my] ears" - but I do call foul.
    , @Anon1
    @stillCARealist

    Gays seem to have a blast wiggling around their butts to "It's Raining Men."

  90. @Anon

    In contrast, nobody much cares about actuaries’ races, looks, or personalities, but blacks don’t get hired as actuaries very much.
     
    Thus far the actuarial profession has been mercifully spared the plague of aggressive affirmative action. Probably because it's a small, technical profession, very off the radar.

    That said. Within the last couple of years, the Society of Actuaries has started paying a lot of what I hope is just lip service to "diversity." Lots of articles, workshops at conferences, etc. There's also a "diversity task force" or some such. I can't quite tell if the people in charge are just naive liberals who actually think there's a way to get substantial numbers of blacks to pass the actuarial exams without watering them down to nothing or if it's just a ceremonial performance to ward off disparate impact lawsuits.

    Currently, to become credentialed at the associate level (the lower level) you have to pass seven exams, mostly covering statistics, finance, and specialized actuarial math. I would guess most people that do it are 700+ SATM. The exams are pass/fail and are 100% blind-graded with each exam usually having a 35-50% pass rate. The consequences of this system are exactly what you'd expect: Whites and Asians, few Blacks. In general, there is no trend toward making things easier. If anything, the opposite.

    Here is an example of one of their diversity articles (it's not particularly interesting but I will link for reference).

    https://www.soa.org/Library/Newsletters/The-Actuary-Magazine/2015/december/act-2015-vol12-iss5-davis-shepherd.aspx

    The authors are shocked, shocked!, that only 1% of credentialed actuaries are black. And 97% "White/Asian," which the authors hilarious aggregate, probably to avoid publicizing how high the Asian percentage is. Anecdotally, I would also mention that the few black actuaries unsurprisingly tend to be foreign-born, not genuine African-Americans. And because the exams are race-blind, the ones I've known have been high caliber.

    In general, the membership is highly resistant to anything perceived as weakening the credential. And there is no way they would be so crass as to have explicitly lower pass marks for blacks. Too apparent and humiliating. So I don't see anything changing barring some sort of legal imposition.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Redneck farmer, @Jack D, @Chris Renner

    Probably no profession is too small or off the radar to avoid the Gleichschaltung. Eventually they will get around to you. But the low hanging fruit gets picked first. As we have seen with math professorship, if only 1% of actuaries are black, this can only be due to racism. There is no other explanation possible so measures will need to be taken to make the actuarial profession “more welcoming” to minorities. You might think that this could not possibly include reducing professional standards but you would be wrong. As numerous “disparate impact” suits have show, professional standards can themselves be tools of racial oppression, even if they appear to be objective on their face.

    Now, just as when feminists want 50% of jobs to go to women, what they have in mind are nice cushy office jobs and not jobs on trash trucks or as construction laborers, actuary (despite in fact being a pretty good job) is not really what blacks have in mind first – they are more interested in jobs that don’t require so much hard work and math and which are a little more people oriented. But, ultimately you can’t be allowed to keep this island of racism when the rest of the economy has been “brought into line”.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Jack D

    If and when it does happen, actuarial credentials would simply lose their value as a quality filter. Companies are really only required to use credentialed actuaries to sign off on certain regulatory filings. In practice, they hire far more than legally necessary because they apparently see some value in the credential as an indicator of quality, but there’s nothing stopping companies from hiring other quant types to do the work instead. If the exam system collapsed for whatever reason, we’d probably just see graduate programs grow to fill the need.

  91. @Colin Wright
    @Steve Sailer

    'If you are an African-American smart enough at math to pass all the actuary exams, Goldman Sachs, Google, and McKinsey would really like to talk to you, so why be an actuary for, say, half the pay?'

    But conversely, if you're a black who actually can pass these tests, you're probably 'black' rather than black; that is to say, you're racially anywhere from half to seven-eighths white, and it's by no means certain you're from a black background culturally.

    ...but in any case, you're right. It's improbable you'll have to settle for being an actuary. If you're 'black' and can pass those tests, it's the golden escalator for you.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Not necessarily. You could also be (in fact are probably more likely to be ) Nigerian or from the Caribbean. Nigerians are likely to be 100% African.

    The population of Africa is 1.2 billion (and rising fast). Let’s say that 1/10th of 1% of Africans have the necessary IQ to become actuaries or engage in some other g loaded profession. That’s still over 1 million Africans, a substantial fraction of whom will make their way to the West where the pay is better.

  92. @Triumph104
    @Mr McKenna

    Since so few qualified people can gain admission to an Ivy League college, the top services firms simply request that applicants submit their SAT or ACT scores.

    Replies: @Jack D

    I think there’s a little more to it than that.

  93. @El Dato
    OT:

    Harvard coddles students with campus ‘climate’ probe over Weinstein lawyer fiasco

    Harvard is launching a probe into the ‘climate’ of the university after widespread rage over a law professor's decision to represent Harvey Weinstein, worried the decision to let him have a lawyer has offended the student body.

    Law professor and Faculty Dean Ronald Sullivan’s announcement in January that he would be defending the disgraced Hollywood mogul sparked outrage throughout the university. His decision was met with student demonstrations, calls for his resignation and even acts of vandalism at the Ivy League campus. The university hosted several “listening-sessions” in response and announced the launch of a so-called “climate review.”
     
    How about "severing the relationship" with the clearly problematic "students"?

    https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2019/2/12/students-protest-sullivan-weinstein/

    More than 50 students called for College administrators to remove Winthrop Faculty Dean Ronald S. Sullivan, Jr., from his post at a rally in front of Massachusetts Hall Monday afternoon.

    Toting signs that read “Do Your Job” and “Remove Sullivan,” attendees laid out a set of demands for Harvard administrators. They called for Sullivan’s removal, a public apology, and a formal inquiry into faculty deans’ responsibilities to students.

    ...

    ... a Crimson Design editor, organized Monday’s demonstration late last week. She also organized a Change.org petition that calls for Sullivan’s removal and had received 164 signatures as of Monday night.
     

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Steve Sailer, @Mr McKenna, @Jack D

    She also organized a Change.org petition that calls for Sullivan’s removal and had received 164 signatures as of Monday night.

    One hundred sixty four signatures!

    Bow before our awesome power!

  94. @Steve Sailer
    @El Dato

    This seems like a new frontier in civil rights: taking away the right of the accused to legal counsel.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @william munny, @Jack D

    Speaking of the right to counsel, I just found out that the President’s former counsel, Michael Cohen, is a proud graduate of Western Michigan University Cooley Law School. WMUCLS has the proud distinction of being literally the WORST law school in all of America. Why would a billionaire, in a city bursting to the seams with legal talent, pick out someone from the #1 worst law school to be his counsel? I understand that Trump might not have wanted some persnickety Yale guy doing his dirty work, but there are plenty of Fordham grads and Albany grads, etc. who would have been 1,000 times better educated than Cohen. Did he really need to scrape the bottom of the barrel in this way?

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    @Jack D

    Thank you, Jack. Now I know where to apply after I pass the LSAT.

    , @Johann Ricke
    @Jack D


    Why would a billionaire, in a city bursting to the seams with legal talent, pick out someone from the #1 worst law school to be his counsel?
     
    Because the most valuable characteristic of a fixer is personal discretion combined, hopefully, with personal loyalty. Maybe he saw what he thought was a guy willing to go to the wall (to coin a phrase) for him. He was wrong. A determined inquisitor has many tools at his disposal for making his prey say whatever he wants, so it's unsurprising that Cohen cracked and not only broke client lawyer confidentiality, he made up things he couldn't back up. What's surprising is that Manafort the hired gun seems to have hung tough, and not invented anything on Trump to please Mueller.

    Replies: @sayless

    , @William Badwhite
    @Jack D

    Trump wasn't really using Cohen as "counsel". A guy like Trump would have scads of lawyers. Some for real estate deals, some for dealing with employees, some for family stuff, etc. Cohen's job was as a gopher/fixer/bag man. I'd be surprised if Trump ever went to Cohen for any actual legal advice.

  95. @Anon

    In contrast, nobody much cares about actuaries’ races, looks, or personalities, but blacks don’t get hired as actuaries very much.
     
    Thus far the actuarial profession has been mercifully spared the plague of aggressive affirmative action. Probably because it's a small, technical profession, very off the radar.

    That said. Within the last couple of years, the Society of Actuaries has started paying a lot of what I hope is just lip service to "diversity." Lots of articles, workshops at conferences, etc. There's also a "diversity task force" or some such. I can't quite tell if the people in charge are just naive liberals who actually think there's a way to get substantial numbers of blacks to pass the actuarial exams without watering them down to nothing or if it's just a ceremonial performance to ward off disparate impact lawsuits.

    Currently, to become credentialed at the associate level (the lower level) you have to pass seven exams, mostly covering statistics, finance, and specialized actuarial math. I would guess most people that do it are 700+ SATM. The exams are pass/fail and are 100% blind-graded with each exam usually having a 35-50% pass rate. The consequences of this system are exactly what you'd expect: Whites and Asians, few Blacks. In general, there is no trend toward making things easier. If anything, the opposite.

    Here is an example of one of their diversity articles (it's not particularly interesting but I will link for reference).

    https://www.soa.org/Library/Newsletters/The-Actuary-Magazine/2015/december/act-2015-vol12-iss5-davis-shepherd.aspx

    The authors are shocked, shocked!, that only 1% of credentialed actuaries are black. And 97% "White/Asian," which the authors hilarious aggregate, probably to avoid publicizing how high the Asian percentage is. Anecdotally, I would also mention that the few black actuaries unsurprisingly tend to be foreign-born, not genuine African-Americans. And because the exams are race-blind, the ones I've known have been high caliber.

    In general, the membership is highly resistant to anything perceived as weakening the credential. And there is no way they would be so crass as to have explicitly lower pass marks for blacks. Too apparent and humiliating. So I don't see anything changing barring some sort of legal imposition.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Redneck farmer, @Jack D, @Chris Renner

    The authors have literally “Othered” Asians:

    http://photos.app.goo.gl/1gk2CWutnEnzf3Av9

  96. @Clifford Brown
    @Roderick Spode

    As an occasionally maudlin Irishman who also happens to be a fan of well executed advertising campaigns, I admire this piece by the New York advertising firm Opperman Weiss, but to be honest, there is little evidence that "No Irish Need Apply" was ever really a "thing" in Amerikay. This signage certainly existed in Great Britain in the 19th Century, but if it ever crossed the Atlantic, it only did so on the margins.

    As a grudge loving, nationalistic Celt, I wish it was true, but the evidence is thin on the ground. Ethnic tension? Absolutely, but such explicit signage was a rarity in our great nation.

    This one also tears me up, even as I recognize it as globalist corporate hokum.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RL9yB0ne67A

    Replies: @Jack D

    The archives of various newspapers from the 19th century have been preserved and digitized in some cases. If you search the classified ads in these papers from this un-Woke era, there are a tiny handful of ads that specify that they don’t want an Irish employee, but it was not at all common. In those pre-civil rights days, employers were not shy about stating their exact preferences – age, sex, looks, ethnicity, whatever (within the brief confines of a classified ad). TBH, they (especially small employers who are beneath the radar of the civil rights mafia) still have their preferences – all that happens is that the Irish or black or whatever candidate ends up wasting his time because the employer is not allowed to say what he really wants in the ad.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Jack D


    TBH, they (especially small employers who are beneath the radar of the civil rights mafia) still have their preferences – all that happens is that the Irish or black or whatever candidate ends up wasting his time because the employer is not allowed to say what he really wants in the ad.
     
    One effect of affirmative action and anti-discrimination laws is to waste a lot of time for everyone involved. Employers, especially small employers, just won't hire people with characteristics-protected or otherwise-they don't want.

    Some small employers only hire co-religionists, co-ethnics, or people who went to certain schools. There's a medium sized business I know of that will hire anyone as a CSR or for janitorial, maintenance, et al, but ALL of their management over first level supervisor are people who graduated from small evangelical oriented colleges and attend one of three or four denominational churches. Many people have misguidedly applied there who don't meet this restriction and many more have hired on as lower level and worked their butts off in hope of a promotion that will simply never come. Eventually most figure it out but they may have wasted a lot of time and effort. If you are looking at a glass ceiling it makes no sense to do better than just above average, or leave the company.

    People expect this of Mormons, Jews, and to a lesser extent SDAs and Jehovahs Witnesses and will figure it out but since fundangelicals are not such an identifiable bunch as long as they keep blatant preaching out of the work force it takes a sharp person to realize that they have a lot of Bob Jones grads in management and no Catholics, mainline church Protestants or LDS/SDA/JWs.

    It's much like Watson stating , saying: "Whenever you interview fat people, you feel bad, because you know you're not going to hire them." If that's the case it would be kinder to tell them that up front.

    This sort of thing can be a blessing in disguise, of course, since in general, working for a bigger employer is better. Small employers are often shitty employers, for one because many small businessmen are small businessmen because they're hard-ons that can't get along with others. I had lunch with a HVAC company owner who had sixteen or so employees. He bitched that his brother in law was a craft railroader and wound up making more than he did, put in 2/3ds the hours and had way less stress. I told him BNSF and NS was hiring (they were then) and maybe he should just go to work for the railroad.

    "Fuck that. Those people are slaves. I run my own business and if I don't like someone I fire them or don't hire them. If I don't like a customer I just tell them I'm too busy and call someone else. Union jobs are for punks and morons and jackasses".

    Okay, that's his privilege, but I'm not going to work for him or if I do it would be as a consultant at a ridiculous wage. He wanted me to develop an interface for a high end house automation system for his brand of furnaces-for a price that would have meant I would have made ten bucks an hour.
    He paid for lunch at Arthur Bryant's, and I told him I'd research it. I waited ten days and called him back stating that the system was too proprietary for my wheelhouse but gave him a few names.

    I think they gave him prices that were an order of magnitude higher than what he offered me. Today such capabilities are built in to many home HVAC systems.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  97. If it weren’t for actuaries the Vietnam War might have turned out quite differently and Richard Nixon would be a half-forgotten vice president. Lyndon Johnson famously declined to run for a second full term in 1968, paving the way for Nixon. According to the conventional wisdom Johnson withdrew from the race because he knew he had no chance of victory. In fact, Johnson may have had a decent chance, and withdrew for a reason known to few.

    Aware that males in his family tree usually died young, a year or two prior to 1968 Johnson secretly commissioned an actuarial report to determine how long he might live. The actuaries concluded that Johnson was unlikely to make it to age 65. If Johnson ran and won in 1968 he would be 64 when his final term ended, and he did not relish the prospect of a retirement lasting less tha a year.

    By the way, the actuaries were on the money. If Johnson had ran and won in 1968 he would have had a retirement lasting literally under 24 hours

  98. @Jack D
    @Steve Sailer

    Speaking of the right to counsel, I just found out that the President's former counsel, Michael Cohen, is a proud graduate of Western Michigan University Cooley Law School. WMUCLS has the proud distinction of being literally the WORST law school in all of America. Why would a billionaire, in a city bursting to the seams with legal talent, pick out someone from the #1 worst law school to be his counsel? I understand that Trump might not have wanted some persnickety Yale guy doing his dirty work, but there are plenty of Fordham grads and Albany grads, etc. who would have been 1,000 times better educated than Cohen. Did he really need to scrape the bottom of the barrel in this way?

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @Johann Ricke, @William Badwhite

    Thank you, Jack. Now I know where to apply after I pass the LSAT.

  99. @ThreeCranes

    “Race appears to trump ethnicity when it come to predicting wealth”.
     
    So far, so good. They’re just describing a correlation between factors.

    “Identifying as black or white was a bigger factor than ancestry or ethnicity in determining employment, income and homeownership”
     
    Now watch what the authors are about to do with the word “determining”. In the above sentence it is used to describe people’s objective conditions of life; used as in this sentence: “through numerous trials we determined that Bill was a faster runner than J’Quantavious.” By the end of the paper, “determining” will morph to mean “limiting one's access to”, “forcing a person into” and “denying them the means to do otherwise”.

    This equivocation is the fundamental fallacy in Liberal thinking.


    “It dispels some of these myths about cultural efficacy and addresses the need to deal with social structures that still put a high reward on whiteness at the expense of blackness.”
     
    There is no evidence whatsoever to support the claim that so-called “whiteness” caused anything or that it operated at the “expense of blackness”.

    “eminent domain, researchers wrote. In the 1960s, the government built an interstate through the economic heart of the black community in the Overtown neighborhood, seizing black properties”
     
    Hah! As though the property owner isn’t given fair market value by the purchasing government agency. It’s the Law! As well, each property owner is perfectly free to file a grievance with the Board of Equalization if they believe they have been stiffed. At the time, I bet, the Afros gladly took the money and ran, hooting and hollering.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @BigDickNick, @AnotherDad

    “There is no evidence whatsoever to support the claim that so-called “whiteness” caused anything or that it operated at the “expense of blackness”.”

    Yes, this is a classic social studies technique of sharing data and then making a statement with literally zero evidentiary support.

    What is the mechanism by which whiteness causes blacks to buy luxury cars at a higher rate than whites, but homes at a lower rate?

  100. @Jack D
    @Seth Largo

    The Interstates had bad effects on cities but not in the way that you think. Highways go thru the suburbs with no ill effects. The highways made it possible for white people to flee the cities and still work downtown. In part they fled to get away from vibrants but in part it was because the city housing stock was getting old and was not set up for a modern lifestyle, especially in areas where the houses were row houses. Out in the suburbs land was cheap and plentiful - instead of a 15x75 lot you got a whole 1/4 acre. People wanted detached houses with a garage and a yard and privacy. Maybe even a pool. And they wanted to drive to the big supermarket and get all their shopping done quickly and not have to lug packages from 10 different little shops where the prices were not that good. While this sounds charming to us, having to do that every day was a real pain in the ass and people couldn't wait to get away from it.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    Exactly. Well said Jack.

    For a certain class of people, bitching about “sterile” suburbia, and how it’s a big tragedy we aren’t all living in the vibrant city, is just who they are.

    But suburban life is popular not because it sucks but because it’s nice:
    — space; in the house, outside–trees, lawn, patio
    — privacy; neighbor not on top of you nor listening through the walls
    — quiet; including not being attached to your neighbors’ house
    — easy; drive right into your garage and unload your groceries
    — safer for the kids to play; fewer weirdos and creeps around

    Yes, some people really do like the city. And young people without kids and on-the-make for sex find it more interesting.

    But the human optimum–for most people–is not the city it’s the village. People you know around, but a separate dwelling for your family. This has been the human norm for the past 10,000 years and what the average human is best psychologically adapted to. And … that’s suburbia.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    While the physical setup may be similar, socially it is completely different. People in suburbs are very isolated. I barely know most of my neighbors. Everyone retreats behind their doors and watches Netflix. In a village, everyone knew each other's business for better or for worse.

    Replies: @Coemgen, @Anon1

    , @Anonymous
    @AnotherDad

    No one is more parochial than a New Yorker.

    Asimov famously had a protagonist travel to the limits of the known universe to launch his spaceship, namely, someplace in northwestern New Jersey.

    I drove truck for a while and on my first trip across the GW quickly learned that anyone in any borough in NYC generally literally didn't know anything about the next block over, and had little curiosity about it.

    Kids in rural Kansas know more about Brooklyn than some people that live in Queens or the Bronx. That's no exaggeration.

    Chicago was not _quite_ as bad wnen my family relations still lived there but to get anyone from the old Skyway-abutting neighborhood (St.Francis de Sales parish, guys who worked at the lime plant or Wisconsin or LTV Steel) to take us kids to the Museum of Science nd Industry, Adler Planetarium or Shedd Aquarium was like pulling teeth. That was the wrong part of town. We never saw the Sox because the ballpark there WAS dangerous, never saw the Cubs because though Wrigley was safe-no night games-th Cubs were for fruitcake north siders. That's how the mill hunkies and polacks thought.

  101. @ThreeCranes

    “Race appears to trump ethnicity when it come to predicting wealth”.
     
    So far, so good. They’re just describing a correlation between factors.

    “Identifying as black or white was a bigger factor than ancestry or ethnicity in determining employment, income and homeownership”
     
    Now watch what the authors are about to do with the word “determining”. In the above sentence it is used to describe people’s objective conditions of life; used as in this sentence: “through numerous trials we determined that Bill was a faster runner than J’Quantavious.” By the end of the paper, “determining” will morph to mean “limiting one's access to”, “forcing a person into” and “denying them the means to do otherwise”.

    This equivocation is the fundamental fallacy in Liberal thinking.


    “It dispels some of these myths about cultural efficacy and addresses the need to deal with social structures that still put a high reward on whiteness at the expense of blackness.”
     
    There is no evidence whatsoever to support the claim that so-called “whiteness” caused anything or that it operated at the “expense of blackness”.

    “eminent domain, researchers wrote. In the 1960s, the government built an interstate through the economic heart of the black community in the Overtown neighborhood, seizing black properties”
     
    Hah! As though the property owner isn’t given fair market value by the purchasing government agency. It’s the Law! As well, each property owner is perfectly free to file a grievance with the Board of Equalization if they believe they have been stiffed. At the time, I bet, the Afros gladly took the money and ran, hooting and hollering.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @BigDickNick, @AnotherDad

    Yea, you nailed it Three.

    Essentially the authors here verified–once again–HBD. All the cultural b.s.–i.e. what nurture proponents like to yammer on about–doesn’t amount to much. What actually matters is … race, i.e. genes.

    They spin that as the same old same old–somehow whitey is waving off all the foreign cultural stuff and oppressing all the *black* Cubans or the *black* Dominicans, while leaving the “white” Latinos un-oppressed. Sure.

    But old Billy of Occam has the better bet: The black Latinos just–on average–aren’t as on the ball.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    @AnotherDad

    Just between you and me--please please please stop saying "yea" when you mean "yeah".

    TIA! Love all your material so I waited until no one's watching to holler.

  102. @Jack D
    @Steve Sailer

    Speaking of the right to counsel, I just found out that the President's former counsel, Michael Cohen, is a proud graduate of Western Michigan University Cooley Law School. WMUCLS has the proud distinction of being literally the WORST law school in all of America. Why would a billionaire, in a city bursting to the seams with legal talent, pick out someone from the #1 worst law school to be his counsel? I understand that Trump might not have wanted some persnickety Yale guy doing his dirty work, but there are plenty of Fordham grads and Albany grads, etc. who would have been 1,000 times better educated than Cohen. Did he really need to scrape the bottom of the barrel in this way?

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @Johann Ricke, @William Badwhite

    Why would a billionaire, in a city bursting to the seams with legal talent, pick out someone from the #1 worst law school to be his counsel?

    Because the most valuable characteristic of a fixer is personal discretion combined, hopefully, with personal loyalty. Maybe he saw what he thought was a guy willing to go to the wall (to coin a phrase) for him. He was wrong. A determined inquisitor has many tools at his disposal for making his prey say whatever he wants, so it’s unsurprising that Cohen cracked and not only broke client lawyer confidentiality, he made up things he couldn’t back up. What’s surprising is that Manafort the hired gun seems to have hung tough, and not invented anything on Trump to please Mueller.

    • Replies: @sayless
    @Johann Ricke

    So that’s why they’ve put Manafort in solitary confinement.

  103. @Lot
    @Reg Cæsar

    They always have about 40 of them locked together unused. I have seen one in actual use maybe twice in the past 100 times I have been in an airport.

    Replies: @Captain Tripps

    Back in the day, practically all luggage was just a big hard (or soft) box with a handle. Hard to lug around. Now, after decades of complaints from travelers, and certainly many product line improvement intiatives, practically all luggage (even the smaller carry-ons) have wheels and extendable handles so you don’t need those cart thingys anymore.

  104. @The Alarmist
    @Steve Sailer

    Oh well, at least they haven't closed Weinstein's bank or PayPal accounts. Besides, if he were really an enemy of the state, they'd declare him mentally unstable, as they do with Trump, but I don't recall anyone suggesting that of Weinstein (did I miss something?).

    Replies: @Captain Tripps, @BigDickNick

    Probably not. If he cops to a psychological or mental issue, that gives him an out, and undermines the radfem narrative that all men are violent sexual predators in the making. No, they need him to be sane, and rational, in order to extend the #metoo threat to all men.

  105. @stillCARealist
    @Anonymous

    wow, they used to tell the truth to kids. A bit blunt for my taste, but...

    "the rest of your life will be a living hell." That sums up every homosexual I've known.

    So many modern conservatives would shriek and stop up their ears at such homophobia.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Vinteuil, @Anon1

    Really, life for all these guys is a living hell?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_billionaires

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    @Jack D

    I haven't known any billionaires, but middle class homos that spent their young lives in drugs, alcohol, and hookups. It was serial sadness. Several died of AIDS before 40.

    My spouse worked in show biz in Manhattan in the 80's. His perspective is even more cynical. The public face may be "gay", as in happily unencumbered, but the reality is quite dark and disgusting.

    I comment on this topic routinely because watching people destroy themselves and their families is so painful. On Sunday I was at a memorial for a young man who accidentally OD'd on a prescription drug. On facebook his life was picture perfect in every way. In reality it was awful and he died alone this side of 30.

  106. @Citizen of a Silly Country

    The real issue about why Miami is so bad for African-Americans is that once Latinos started to take over about a half century ago, they didn’t care much about affirmative action for blacks.
     
    This. I've said for a year or two that we've reached "Peak Jew". I'd add that we're rapidly approaching "Peak Black". (Again, the fact that you've passed your apex doesn't mean that you don't have power or, even, that you're not still on top (Jews), just that it's no longer as strong and will wane over time.)

    Hispanics, Asians, South Asians and Muslims are far more tribal than whites. (Well, Hispanics are pretty lazy, but they still see race and tribe.) Jews and blacks won't be able to play the guilt game against them. They look at blacks and Jews as just another tribe vying for power. Going on and on about slavery or the Jewish Holocaust (yep, there were plenty of others so I refuse to use the word "the") is akin to saying "Ni" to someone outside a Monty Python sketch.

    Whites may be pussies, but other races aren't. Jews and blacks are used to playing against a bunch of girls. They're going to be surprised when other groups start pushing back.

    Replies: @Anonymous Jew, @Thea

    I work with a lot of Fancy Asians and (dot) Indians in the Bay Area. You’d be surprised by how much the left’s cultural tentacles (teachers, university, media) can pussify anyone. But even pussified, there are still more groups fighting over the same resources. I hope you’re right, though, for schadenfreude alone.

    Speaking of pussify, I often wonder how lowered testosterone levels – caused by plastics or some other environmental influence – are driving the Current Year. Even more so than the Rep/Dem divide, far-left pro-immigrant rallies are predominantly female while far-right anti-immigrant rallies are predominantly male. (Maybe my extra long ring fingers are why I find myself reading iSteve in the first place…)

    In case it wasn’t already mentioned:

    https://vdare.com/posts/biogeographic-ancestry-cognitive-ability-and-socioeconomic-outcomes

    What’s the actual number for the how much variance in White ancestry accounts for Black IQ? Eyeballing those skatter diagrams it looks like it easily meets the minimum of statistical significance.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @Anonymous Jew

    "Speaking of pussify, I often wonder how lowered testosterone levels – caused by plastics or some other environmental influence – are driving the Current Year. "

    They've caused sperm counts to fall by about half since the 1960s, so a lot.

    There is also a sugar/junk food/inactivity>blubber>Feminization thing going on with boys and young men these days.

    Fat girls have more female hormones and experience earlier puberty. Fat boys are feminized by the same process.

  107. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D

    Exactly. Well said Jack.

    For a certain class of people, bitching about "sterile" suburbia, and how it's a big tragedy we aren't all living in the vibrant city, is just who they are.

    But suburban life is popular not because it sucks but because it's nice:
    -- space; in the house, outside--trees, lawn, patio
    -- privacy; neighbor not on top of you nor listening through the walls
    -- quiet; including not being attached to your neighbors' house
    -- easy; drive right into your garage and unload your groceries
    -- safer for the kids to play; fewer weirdos and creeps around

    Yes, some people really do like the city. And young people without kids and on-the-make for sex find it more interesting.

    But the human optimum--for most people--is not the city it's the village. People you know around, but a separate dwelling for your family. This has been the human norm for the past 10,000 years and what the average human is best psychologically adapted to. And ... that's suburbia.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Anonymous

    While the physical setup may be similar, socially it is completely different. People in suburbs are very isolated. I barely know most of my neighbors. Everyone retreats behind their doors and watches Netflix. In a village, everyone knew each other’s business for better or for worse.

    • Replies: @Coemgen
    @Jack D

    Yet, city living can be very much like living in a small town. That is, if you live where you and your ancestors were born and have extended family within walking distance. I speak from experience. Yes, we didn't know all of our neighbors but we also never felt anonymous in our own neighborhood. Unfortunately, white catholic ethnic enclaves are deplored by the leftist elite and thus had to be cleansed...

    , @Anon1
    @Jack D

    That seems true everywhere these days.

  108. @Seth Largo
    Building interstates through black neighborhoods was indeed a travesty, and as explanations go, it's one I buy as having had long-term effects on black wealth. Redlining is a bad explanation, or, at best, it's an implicitly racist one because it assumes that blacks living among blacks = economic degradation.

    When I lived in Syracuse, I would look at pre-interstate pictures of working class black neighborhoods. Not wealthy but not poor and certainly not Compton circa 1990. The interstate did have a negative effect.

    Replies: @gcochran, @Hans, @Jack D, @J.Ross

    I wanted to reply right away but failed to refine my phrasing so:
    How damaging would interstates be to black neighborhoods if anybody wanted to ever be anywhere near a black neighborhood?

  109. @Citizen of a Silly Country

    The real issue about why Miami is so bad for African-Americans is that once Latinos started to take over about a half century ago, they didn’t care much about affirmative action for blacks.
     
    This. I've said for a year or two that we've reached "Peak Jew". I'd add that we're rapidly approaching "Peak Black". (Again, the fact that you've passed your apex doesn't mean that you don't have power or, even, that you're not still on top (Jews), just that it's no longer as strong and will wane over time.)

    Hispanics, Asians, South Asians and Muslims are far more tribal than whites. (Well, Hispanics are pretty lazy, but they still see race and tribe.) Jews and blacks won't be able to play the guilt game against them. They look at blacks and Jews as just another tribe vying for power. Going on and on about slavery or the Jewish Holocaust (yep, there were plenty of others so I refuse to use the word "the") is akin to saying "Ni" to someone outside a Monty Python sketch.

    Whites may be pussies, but other races aren't. Jews and blacks are used to playing against a bunch of girls. They're going to be surprised when other groups start pushing back.

    Replies: @Anonymous Jew, @Thea

    At some point whites will push back. Going through shared hardships forges group identity.

    As whites get to be a smaller and smaller portion of the country they will become more and more aware of their whiteness. Up until recently, they didn’t need to be.

  110. We should all be grateful to Jussie Smolett for making this the funnest Black History Month ever!

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  111. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    While the physical setup may be similar, socially it is completely different. People in suburbs are very isolated. I barely know most of my neighbors. Everyone retreats behind their doors and watches Netflix. In a village, everyone knew each other's business for better or for worse.

    Replies: @Coemgen, @Anon1

    Yet, city living can be very much like living in a small town. That is, if you live where you and your ancestors were born and have extended family within walking distance. I speak from experience. Yes, we didn’t know all of our neighbors but we also never felt anonymous in our own neighborhood. Unfortunately, white catholic ethnic enclaves are deplored by the leftist elite and thus had to be cleansed…

  112. @stillCARealist
    @Anonymous

    wow, they used to tell the truth to kids. A bit blunt for my taste, but...

    "the rest of your life will be a living hell." That sums up every homosexual I've known.

    So many modern conservatives would shriek and stop up their ears at such homophobia.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Vinteuil, @Anon1

    “the rest of your life will be a living hell.” That sums up every homosexual I’ve known.

    It seems you’ve known the wrong homosexuals.

    While the “gay community” is, indeed, off its collective rocker these days, the sort of thing depicted in that video really was pretty awful. I don’t “shriek and stop up [my] ears” – but I do call foul.

  113. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    While the physical setup may be similar, socially it is completely different. People in suburbs are very isolated. I barely know most of my neighbors. Everyone retreats behind their doors and watches Netflix. In a village, everyone knew each other's business for better or for worse.

    Replies: @Coemgen, @Anon1

    That seems true everywhere these days.

  114. @stillCARealist
    @Anonymous

    wow, they used to tell the truth to kids. A bit blunt for my taste, but...

    "the rest of your life will be a living hell." That sums up every homosexual I've known.

    So many modern conservatives would shriek and stop up their ears at such homophobia.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Vinteuil, @Anon1

    Gays seem to have a blast wiggling around their butts to “It’s Raining Men.”

  115. @Redneck farmer
    @Anon

    Aren't a relatively high percentage of actuaries female?

    Replies: @Anon

    The SOA membership is 30% female and has been trending upward. It’s likely higher at entry level and lower at the highest levels (e.g., chief actuary).

  116. @Patrick Sullivan

    Instead, black Caribbean and Latino communities encountered discrimination similar to that of African Americans.
     
    “Encountered” misleadingly implies that hispanic and Caribbean immigrants arrived here from idyllically race-neutral societies and then became racially stratified upon being exposed to racist America. As other commenters have noted, the US did not create racial stratification within the Cuban, Colombian, Nicaraguan and other hispanic blocs in Miami. The racism came built-in. Even 60 years after the first large wave of (mainly educated, upper-class, European) Cuban immigrants arrived, Miami Cuban society is still heavily dominated by many of the same families like the Diaz-Balarts who had formerly dominated Cuba (the two Diaz-Balart US congressmen were the nephews by marriage of Fidel Castro. Miami Cuban society, at the top, is small and inbred).

    A girl in my high school class was the very light-skinned daughter of a former minister in the Nicaraguan cabinet under Salazar. And then there are the dark-skinned Nicaraguans who mow lawns. That racial stratification all occurred pre-Miami.

    Miami’s tourist economy has long relied on poorly paid African American and Afro-Caribbean labor, the report noted.
     
    Um, no. The report claimed, not the report noted. The tourist industry, especially the public-facing part of it, Steve, is disproportionately non-American black and non-Afro-Caribbean. There are undoubtedly many black baggage handlers and the like working quietly behind the scenes in jobs supporting the tourist industry, but it's a distinct disadvantage to be black if your goal is to get a job in Miami tourism. The Miami tourism industry, like most of the city, is dominated by white-identifying hispanics who prefer to hire each other or hire white Americans for those public-facing tourism jobs. Like the jobs my white American cousins had tending bar at the Clevelander on Miami Beach, selling sunglasses at a stand on the beach while wearing a bikini top, being a ticketing agent at the American Airlines counter, etc.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    One of the Diaz-Balart Congressmen, Mario, looks an awful lot like me:

  117. @Jack D
    @Steve Sailer

    Speaking of the right to counsel, I just found out that the President's former counsel, Michael Cohen, is a proud graduate of Western Michigan University Cooley Law School. WMUCLS has the proud distinction of being literally the WORST law school in all of America. Why would a billionaire, in a city bursting to the seams with legal talent, pick out someone from the #1 worst law school to be his counsel? I understand that Trump might not have wanted some persnickety Yale guy doing his dirty work, but there are plenty of Fordham grads and Albany grads, etc. who would have been 1,000 times better educated than Cohen. Did he really need to scrape the bottom of the barrel in this way?

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @Johann Ricke, @William Badwhite

    Trump wasn’t really using Cohen as “counsel”. A guy like Trump would have scads of lawyers. Some for real estate deals, some for dealing with employees, some for family stuff, etc. Cohen’s job was as a gopher/fixer/bag man. I’d be surprised if Trump ever went to Cohen for any actual legal advice.

    • Agree: Mr McKenna
  118. Miami’s demographics are repeated all across Latin America. Anyone with even modicum of racial awareness/observational skills can travel Latin America and see this.
    One my favorite ways to confirm this phenomenon without traveling to Latin America is looking at the pictures of people Brazil’s Embraer aircraft annual report to shareholders. https://ri.embraer.com.br/RAOS/RA%202016/Embraer%20RA16-Book-PORT.pdf as they say a picture is worth a 1000 words.

    • Replies: @Triumph104
    @George Taylor

    There is a guy named Sid Efromovich who has a Ted Talk, "5 techniques to speak any language", that has over 9 million views. The Brazilians in the comment section are amazed at how well he speaks Portuguese. They are completely unaware that the billionaire Brazilian Efromovich brothers, German and Jose, own airlines in Brazil, Colombia, Costa Rica, Nicaragua, Peru, Panama, and Honduras, plus numerous holdings in other industries across Latin America. German and Jose's parents were Jewish immigrants from Poland. Both brothers were born in Bolivia and hold citizenships in multiple Latin American countries plus Poland.

    After David Neeleman, the Mormon founder of JetBlue, Morris Air, and WestJet, was ousted from JetBlue, he went to his land of birth, Brazil, and founded Azul Brazilian Airlines. He also co-owns a Portuguese airline. Neeleman is a citizen of the US, Brazil, and Cyprus.

  119. @Anonymous Jew
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    I work with a lot of Fancy Asians and (dot) Indians in the Bay Area. You'd be surprised by how much the left's cultural tentacles (teachers, university, media) can pussify anyone. But even pussified, there are still more groups fighting over the same resources. I hope you're right, though, for schadenfreude alone.

    Speaking of pussify, I often wonder how lowered testosterone levels - caused by plastics or some other environmental influence - are driving the Current Year. Even more so than the Rep/Dem divide, far-left pro-immigrant rallies are predominantly female while far-right anti-immigrant rallies are predominantly male. (Maybe my extra long ring fingers are why I find myself reading iSteve in the first place...)

    In case it wasn't already mentioned:

    https://vdare.com/posts/biogeographic-ancestry-cognitive-ability-and-socioeconomic-outcomes

    What's the actual number for the how much variance in White ancestry accounts for Black IQ? Eyeballing those skatter diagrams it looks like it easily meets the minimum of statistical significance.

    Replies: @Lot

    “Speaking of pussify, I often wonder how lowered testosterone levels – caused by plastics or some other environmental influence – are driving the Current Year. ”

    They’ve caused sperm counts to fall by about half since the 1960s, so a lot.

    There is also a sugar/junk food/inactivity>blubber>Feminization thing going on with boys and young men these days.

    Fat girls have more female hormones and experience earlier puberty. Fat boys are feminized by the same process.

  120. Anon[162] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    @Anon

    Probably no profession is too small or off the radar to avoid the Gleichschaltung. Eventually they will get around to you. But the low hanging fruit gets picked first. As we have seen with math professorship, if only 1% of actuaries are black, this can only be due to racism. There is no other explanation possible so measures will need to be taken to make the actuarial profession "more welcoming" to minorities. You might think that this could not possibly include reducing professional standards but you would be wrong. As numerous "disparate impact" suits have show, professional standards can themselves be tools of racial oppression, even if they appear to be objective on their face.

    Now, just as when feminists want 50% of jobs to go to women, what they have in mind are nice cushy office jobs and not jobs on trash trucks or as construction laborers, actuary (despite in fact being a pretty good job) is not really what blacks have in mind first - they are more interested in jobs that don't require so much hard work and math and which are a little more people oriented. But, ultimately you can't be allowed to keep this island of racism when the rest of the economy has been "brought into line".

    Replies: @Anon

    If and when it does happen, actuarial credentials would simply lose their value as a quality filter. Companies are really only required to use credentialed actuaries to sign off on certain regulatory filings. In practice, they hire far more than legally necessary because they apparently see some value in the credential as an indicator of quality, but there’s nothing stopping companies from hiring other quant types to do the work instead. If the exam system collapsed for whatever reason, we’d probably just see graduate programs grow to fill the need.

  121. @William Badwhite
    @Mr McKenna


    A lot of it is Latin, Jewish, and other gangster elements.
     
    A lot of it is also debt as well as living beyond their means. For whatever reason, being flashy and displaying your wealth is really important to a lot of the latins. I know of a number of white cubans and mexicans that have declared bankruptcy recently. Not business-related, but just too much personal debt. One was an dentist who drove a Maserati, his wife drove a Tesla, and all 3 kids were in private schools. He also "owned" (i.e. rented from a bank) a $200,000 boat, which he kept in a marina that charged him about $500/month.

    The view that ostentatious displays of wealth are tacky seems to be a white thing.

    Replies: @Triumph104, @Mr McKenna, @Peterike

    Marco Rubio has an exhaustive list of financial problems. Rubio also had four children in parochial school and bought an $80,000 boat with his 2012 $800,000 book advance money. In 2014, he liquidated six retirement accounts for a total of $68,000.

    Puerto Rico-born Jose Baez, attorney for Casey Anthony and Aaron Hernandez, could not gain admission to the Florida Bar until eight years after graduating law school because he was financially irresponsible. He defaulted on a student loan, declared bankruptcy in 1990, was behind on child support, and spent extravagantly. Baez is currently representing Harvey Weinstein.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Triumph104

    Rubio's $80k boat isn't terribly lavish. Boats are just extremely expensive relative to cars.

    I suspect Rubio doesn't see himself as all that big a spender by Miami standards. His brother in law was a cocaine dealer, so he probably measures himself by those standards. He's a United States Senator so he ought to be able to send his kids to private school, have Dolphins season tickets, and own a fishing boat. He ought to bite the bullet and sponsor a bill to raise salaries of Senators and Reps so more middle class guys like him can afford to go to Washington.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

    , @William Badwhite
    @Triumph104


    Marco Rubio has an exhaustive list of financial problems.
     
    Its almost like that might make him easy to buy (cough, cough Norman Braman's on line 1). He's also never really had a non-government job. Unless he gets much better at corruption, he's going to continue to struggle.

    Steve's right - $80k doesn't get you much of a boat.

    Replies: @Triumph104

  122. So the racial hierarchy in Latin America is basically good for white folks like me? HBD never fails.

  123. @George Taylor
    Miami's demographics are repeated all across Latin America. Anyone with even modicum of racial awareness/observational skills can travel Latin America and see this.
    One my favorite ways to confirm this phenomenon without traveling to Latin America is looking at the pictures of people Brazil's Embraer aircraft annual report to shareholders. https://ri.embraer.com.br/RAOS/RA%202016/Embraer%20RA16-Book-PORT.pdf as they say a picture is worth a 1000 words.

    Replies: @Triumph104

    There is a guy named Sid Efromovich who has a Ted Talk, “5 techniques to speak any language”, that has over 9 million views. The Brazilians in the comment section are amazed at how well he speaks Portuguese. They are completely unaware that the billionaire Brazilian Efromovich brothers, German and Jose, own airlines in Brazil, Colombia, Costa Rica, Nicaragua, Peru, Panama, and Honduras, plus numerous holdings in other industries across Latin America. German and Jose’s parents were Jewish immigrants from Poland. Both brothers were born in Bolivia and hold citizenships in multiple Latin American countries plus Poland.

    After David Neeleman, the Mormon founder of JetBlue, Morris Air, and WestJet, was ousted from JetBlue, he went to his land of birth, Brazil, and founded Azul Brazilian Airlines. He also co-owns a Portuguese airline. Neeleman is a citizen of the US, Brazil, and Cyprus.

  124. @Bruce County
    The real issue about why Miami is so bad for African-Americans is that once Latinos started to take over about a half century ago, they didn’t care much about affirmative action for blacks. So Miami blacks with something on the ball have tended to move to Atlanta, where the white American corporate sector was willing to play ball with African-Americans, while white Cubans in Miami don’t give a damn about African-Americans. So, African-Americans left in Miami tend to be the least enterprising.
    Yet the blacks in Miami still commit the most crime..

    Replies: @anon1

    Blacks commit the most crime (at least in proportionate terms) everywhere.

  125. @Triumph104
    @William Badwhite

    Marco Rubio has an exhaustive list of financial problems. Rubio also had four children in parochial school and bought an $80,000 boat with his 2012 $800,000 book advance money. In 2014, he liquidated six retirement accounts for a total of $68,000.

    Puerto Rico-born Jose Baez, attorney for Casey Anthony and Aaron Hernandez, could not gain admission to the Florida Bar until eight years after graduating law school because he was financially irresponsible. He defaulted on a student loan, declared bankruptcy in 1990, was behind on child support, and spent extravagantly. Baez is currently representing Harvey Weinstein.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @William Badwhite

    Rubio’s $80k boat isn’t terribly lavish. Boats are just extremely expensive relative to cars.

    I suspect Rubio doesn’t see himself as all that big a spender by Miami standards. His brother in law was a cocaine dealer, so he probably measures himself by those standards. He’s a United States Senator so he ought to be able to send his kids to private school, have Dolphins season tickets, and own a fishing boat. He ought to bite the bullet and sponsor a bill to raise salaries of Senators and Reps so more middle class guys like him can afford to go to Washington.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @Steve Sailer

    I remember Don Wade on WLS-AM say the two happiest days of a boat owner: when the boat is purchased and when it is sold.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

  126. @Clifford Brown
    @Reg Cæsar

    I was in a lounge in Vancouver for a work related event last Summer. A posse of Sikhs rolled into the club, several men deep, with attitude, gold chains and muscle. Sikhs are what apparently pass for the "tough guys" in Vancouver. I got along with them fine and found it all kind of humorous. I only wish Sikhs were the tough guys in America sometimes.

    I stand with the Sikh over Trudeau any day. Sikhs, with their martial tradition, at least seem like they believe in defending the things they love.

    Replies: @advancedatheist, @J.Ross, @Anon1, @anon1

    Sikhs have been lots of trouble for Canada since the traitorous Liberal party let them in.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    @anon1

    Say, speaking of Canada, do you think this Trudeau scandal involving his former AG will be enough to get him booted out the door?

    It seems like a case of overwhelming corruption that should lead to the fall of his government, but so many lefties have gotten away with worse, it makes me doubtful.

    Or perhaps -- let us hope -- we have reached a point at which even Very Cute Progressives such as Jussie, uh, Justin, can no longer get away with the most egregious crimes.

  127. @William Badwhite
    @Mr McKenna


    A lot of it is Latin, Jewish, and other gangster elements.
     
    A lot of it is also debt as well as living beyond their means. For whatever reason, being flashy and displaying your wealth is really important to a lot of the latins. I know of a number of white cubans and mexicans that have declared bankruptcy recently. Not business-related, but just too much personal debt. One was an dentist who drove a Maserati, his wife drove a Tesla, and all 3 kids were in private schools. He also "owned" (i.e. rented from a bank) a $200,000 boat, which he kept in a marina that charged him about $500/month.

    The view that ostentatious displays of wealth are tacky seems to be a white thing.

    Replies: @Triumph104, @Mr McKenna, @Peterike

    The view that ostentatious displays of wealth are tacky seems to be a white thing.

    Ostentation, like its near relative boasting, seems offensive to no one on the planet save a few northern and western European cultures. I’d like to think that Zen Buddhism may also represent an exception.

  128. @anon1
    @Clifford Brown

    Sikhs have been lots of trouble for Canada since the traitorous Liberal party let them in.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    Say, speaking of Canada, do you think this Trudeau scandal involving his former AG will be enough to get him booted out the door?

    It seems like a case of overwhelming corruption that should lead to the fall of his government, but so many lefties have gotten away with worse, it makes me doubtful.

    Or perhaps — let us hope — we have reached a point at which even Very Cute Progressives such as Jussie, uh, Justin, can no longer get away with the most egregious crimes.

  129. @Johann Ricke
    @Jack D


    Why would a billionaire, in a city bursting to the seams with legal talent, pick out someone from the #1 worst law school to be his counsel?
     
    Because the most valuable characteristic of a fixer is personal discretion combined, hopefully, with personal loyalty. Maybe he saw what he thought was a guy willing to go to the wall (to coin a phrase) for him. He was wrong. A determined inquisitor has many tools at his disposal for making his prey say whatever he wants, so it's unsurprising that Cohen cracked and not only broke client lawyer confidentiality, he made up things he couldn't back up. What's surprising is that Manafort the hired gun seems to have hung tough, and not invented anything on Trump to please Mueller.

    Replies: @sayless

    So that’s why they’ve put Manafort in solitary confinement.

  130. @William Badwhite
    @Mr McKenna


    A lot of it is Latin, Jewish, and other gangster elements.
     
    A lot of it is also debt as well as living beyond their means. For whatever reason, being flashy and displaying your wealth is really important to a lot of the latins. I know of a number of white cubans and mexicans that have declared bankruptcy recently. Not business-related, but just too much personal debt. One was an dentist who drove a Maserati, his wife drove a Tesla, and all 3 kids were in private schools. He also "owned" (i.e. rented from a bank) a $200,000 boat, which he kept in a marina that charged him about $500/month.

    The view that ostentatious displays of wealth are tacky seems to be a white thing.

    Replies: @Triumph104, @Mr McKenna, @Peterike

    “ For whatever reason, being flashy and displaying your wealth is really important to a lot of the latins.”

    The reason is that they’re vulgar.

    • Replies: @BigDickNick
    @Peterike

    latin women also dress way sluttier than anglo women. What's considered looking like a slut to anglos is normal in many latin american contexts. definitely part of the same phenomenon.

  131. @Triumph104
    @William Badwhite

    Marco Rubio has an exhaustive list of financial problems. Rubio also had four children in parochial school and bought an $80,000 boat with his 2012 $800,000 book advance money. In 2014, he liquidated six retirement accounts for a total of $68,000.

    Puerto Rico-born Jose Baez, attorney for Casey Anthony and Aaron Hernandez, could not gain admission to the Florida Bar until eight years after graduating law school because he was financially irresponsible. He defaulted on a student loan, declared bankruptcy in 1990, was behind on child support, and spent extravagantly. Baez is currently representing Harvey Weinstein.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @William Badwhite

    Marco Rubio has an exhaustive list of financial problems.

    Its almost like that might make him easy to buy (cough, cough Norman Braman’s on line 1). He’s also never really had a non-government job. Unless he gets much better at corruption, he’s going to continue to struggle.

    Steve’s right – $80k doesn’t get you much of a boat.

    • Replies: @Triumph104
    @William Badwhite

    I was trying to make two points: One, Marco Rubio had the same lifestyle as your dentist acquaintance and two, he should have been able to afford it with an $800,000 book advance, not to mention his salary and his wife's. Yet, two years later at the age of 43, Rubio is cashing out all of his retirement accounts losing a significant amount to taxes and penalties.

  132. @Steve Sailer
    @Triumph104

    Rubio's $80k boat isn't terribly lavish. Boats are just extremely expensive relative to cars.

    I suspect Rubio doesn't see himself as all that big a spender by Miami standards. His brother in law was a cocaine dealer, so he probably measures himself by those standards. He's a United States Senator so he ought to be able to send his kids to private school, have Dolphins season tickets, and own a fishing boat. He ought to bite the bullet and sponsor a bill to raise salaries of Senators and Reps so more middle class guys like him can afford to go to Washington.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

    I remember Don Wade on WLS-AM say the two happiest days of a boat owner: when the boat is purchased and when it is sold.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Joe Stalin

    http://www.hauteresidence.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/A-pillow-on-a-yacht-saying-%E2%80%9CA-boat-is-a-hole-in-the-water-surrounded-by-wood-into-which-you-pour-money%E2%80%9D.jpg

  133. @The Alarmist
    So, how do they explain Vanilla Ice?

    Replies: @PaceLaw

    The funniest, and most astute, comment in the thread so far!

  134. @Peterike
    @William Badwhite

    “ For whatever reason, being flashy and displaying your wealth is really important to a lot of the latins.”

    The reason is that they’re vulgar.

    Replies: @BigDickNick

    latin women also dress way sluttier than anglo women. What’s considered looking like a slut to anglos is normal in many latin american contexts. definitely part of the same phenomenon.

  135. @The Alarmist
    @Steve Sailer

    Oh well, at least they haven't closed Weinstein's bank or PayPal accounts. Besides, if he were really an enemy of the state, they'd declare him mentally unstable, as they do with Trump, but I don't recall anyone suggesting that of Weinstein (did I miss something?).

    Replies: @Captain Tripps, @BigDickNick

    remember, he is israeli in his heart.

  136. @Jack D
    @stillCARealist

    Really, life for all these guys is a living hell?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_billionaires

    Replies: @stillCARealist

    I haven’t known any billionaires, but middle class homos that spent their young lives in drugs, alcohol, and hookups. It was serial sadness. Several died of AIDS before 40.

    My spouse worked in show biz in Manhattan in the 80’s. His perspective is even more cynical. The public face may be “gay”, as in happily unencumbered, but the reality is quite dark and disgusting.

    I comment on this topic routinely because watching people destroy themselves and their families is so painful. On Sunday I was at a memorial for a young man who accidentally OD’d on a prescription drug. On facebook his life was picture perfect in every way. In reality it was awful and he died alone this side of 30.

  137. @William Badwhite
    @Triumph104


    Marco Rubio has an exhaustive list of financial problems.
     
    Its almost like that might make him easy to buy (cough, cough Norman Braman's on line 1). He's also never really had a non-government job. Unless he gets much better at corruption, he's going to continue to struggle.

    Steve's right - $80k doesn't get you much of a boat.

    Replies: @Triumph104

    I was trying to make two points: One, Marco Rubio had the same lifestyle as your dentist acquaintance and two, he should have been able to afford it with an $800,000 book advance, not to mention his salary and his wife’s. Yet, two years later at the age of 43, Rubio is cashing out all of his retirement accounts losing a significant amount to taxes and penalties.

  138. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    @Clifford Brown

    The archives of various newspapers from the 19th century have been preserved and digitized in some cases. If you search the classified ads in these papers from this un-Woke era, there are a tiny handful of ads that specify that they don't want an Irish employee, but it was not at all common. In those pre-civil rights days, employers were not shy about stating their exact preferences - age, sex, looks, ethnicity, whatever (within the brief confines of a classified ad). TBH, they (especially small employers who are beneath the radar of the civil rights mafia) still have their preferences - all that happens is that the Irish or black or whatever candidate ends up wasting his time because the employer is not allowed to say what he really wants in the ad.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    TBH, they (especially small employers who are beneath the radar of the civil rights mafia) still have their preferences – all that happens is that the Irish or black or whatever candidate ends up wasting his time because the employer is not allowed to say what he really wants in the ad.

    One effect of affirmative action and anti-discrimination laws is to waste a lot of time for everyone involved. Employers, especially small employers, just won’t hire people with characteristics-protected or otherwise-they don’t want.

    Some small employers only hire co-religionists, co-ethnics, or people who went to certain schools. There’s a medium sized business I know of that will hire anyone as a CSR or for janitorial, maintenance, et al, but ALL of their management over first level supervisor are people who graduated from small evangelical oriented colleges and attend one of three or four denominational churches. Many people have misguidedly applied there who don’t meet this restriction and many more have hired on as lower level and worked their butts off in hope of a promotion that will simply never come. Eventually most figure it out but they may have wasted a lot of time and effort. If you are looking at a glass ceiling it makes no sense to do better than just above average, or leave the company.

    People expect this of Mormons, Jews, and to a lesser extent SDAs and Jehovahs Witnesses and will figure it out but since fundangelicals are not such an identifiable bunch as long as they keep blatant preaching out of the work force it takes a sharp person to realize that they have a lot of Bob Jones grads in management and no Catholics, mainline church Protestants or LDS/SDA/JWs.

    It’s much like Watson stating , saying: “Whenever you interview fat people, you feel bad, because you know you’re not going to hire them.” If that’s the case it would be kinder to tell them that up front.

    This sort of thing can be a blessing in disguise, of course, since in general, working for a bigger employer is better. Small employers are often shitty employers, for one because many small businessmen are small businessmen because they’re hard-ons that can’t get along with others. I had lunch with a HVAC company owner who had sixteen or so employees. He bitched that his brother in law was a craft railroader and wound up making more than he did, put in 2/3ds the hours and had way less stress. I told him BNSF and NS was hiring (they were then) and maybe he should just go to work for the railroad.

    “Fuck that. Those people are slaves. I run my own business and if I don’t like someone I fire them or don’t hire them. If I don’t like a customer I just tell them I’m too busy and call someone else. Union jobs are for punks and morons and jackasses”.

    Okay, that’s his privilege, but I’m not going to work for him or if I do it would be as a consultant at a ridiculous wage. He wanted me to develop an interface for a high end house automation system for his brand of furnaces-for a price that would have meant I would have made ten bucks an hour.
    He paid for lunch at Arthur Bryant’s, and I told him I’d research it. I waited ten days and called him back stating that the system was too proprietary for my wheelhouse but gave him a few names.

    I think they gave him prices that were an order of magnitude higher than what he offered me. Today such capabilities are built in to many home HVAC systems.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    That surfing memoir I wrote about last summer, William Finnegan's of the New Yorker, he worked on a railroad out of college and put aside enough in about 5 years to take off a couple of years from work to circle the world surfing. It sounds like he heard about this union railroad job through an uncle or such.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  139. @AnotherDad
    @ThreeCranes

    Yea, you nailed it Three.

    Essentially the authors here verified--once again--HBD. All the cultural b.s.--i.e. what nurture proponents like to yammer on about--doesn't amount to much. What actually matters is ... race, i.e. genes.

    They spin that as the same old same old--somehow whitey is waving off all the foreign cultural stuff and oppressing all the *black* Cubans or the *black* Dominicans, while leaving the "white" Latinos un-oppressed. Sure.

    But old Billy of Occam has the better bet: The black Latinos just--on average--aren't as on the ball.

    Replies: @Mr McKenna

    Just between you and me–please please please stop saying “yea” when you mean “yeah”.

    TIA! Love all your material so I waited until no one’s watching to holler.

  140. @Anonymous
    @Jack D


    TBH, they (especially small employers who are beneath the radar of the civil rights mafia) still have their preferences – all that happens is that the Irish or black or whatever candidate ends up wasting his time because the employer is not allowed to say what he really wants in the ad.
     
    One effect of affirmative action and anti-discrimination laws is to waste a lot of time for everyone involved. Employers, especially small employers, just won't hire people with characteristics-protected or otherwise-they don't want.

    Some small employers only hire co-religionists, co-ethnics, or people who went to certain schools. There's a medium sized business I know of that will hire anyone as a CSR or for janitorial, maintenance, et al, but ALL of their management over first level supervisor are people who graduated from small evangelical oriented colleges and attend one of three or four denominational churches. Many people have misguidedly applied there who don't meet this restriction and many more have hired on as lower level and worked their butts off in hope of a promotion that will simply never come. Eventually most figure it out but they may have wasted a lot of time and effort. If you are looking at a glass ceiling it makes no sense to do better than just above average, or leave the company.

    People expect this of Mormons, Jews, and to a lesser extent SDAs and Jehovahs Witnesses and will figure it out but since fundangelicals are not such an identifiable bunch as long as they keep blatant preaching out of the work force it takes a sharp person to realize that they have a lot of Bob Jones grads in management and no Catholics, mainline church Protestants or LDS/SDA/JWs.

    It's much like Watson stating , saying: "Whenever you interview fat people, you feel bad, because you know you're not going to hire them." If that's the case it would be kinder to tell them that up front.

    This sort of thing can be a blessing in disguise, of course, since in general, working for a bigger employer is better. Small employers are often shitty employers, for one because many small businessmen are small businessmen because they're hard-ons that can't get along with others. I had lunch with a HVAC company owner who had sixteen or so employees. He bitched that his brother in law was a craft railroader and wound up making more than he did, put in 2/3ds the hours and had way less stress. I told him BNSF and NS was hiring (they were then) and maybe he should just go to work for the railroad.

    "Fuck that. Those people are slaves. I run my own business and if I don't like someone I fire them or don't hire them. If I don't like a customer I just tell them I'm too busy and call someone else. Union jobs are for punks and morons and jackasses".

    Okay, that's his privilege, but I'm not going to work for him or if I do it would be as a consultant at a ridiculous wage. He wanted me to develop an interface for a high end house automation system for his brand of furnaces-for a price that would have meant I would have made ten bucks an hour.
    He paid for lunch at Arthur Bryant's, and I told him I'd research it. I waited ten days and called him back stating that the system was too proprietary for my wheelhouse but gave him a few names.

    I think they gave him prices that were an order of magnitude higher than what he offered me. Today such capabilities are built in to many home HVAC systems.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    That surfing memoir I wrote about last summer, William Finnegan’s of the New Yorker, he worked on a railroad out of college and put aside enough in about 5 years to take off a couple of years from work to circle the world surfing. It sounds like he heard about this union railroad job through an uncle or such.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    There is no bad Class 1 or 2 railroad craft job. Few people realize how deluxe railroad craft guys have it. If you are willing to endure a couple of layoffs early on or chase seniority, it's a life of nearly professional wages with a high school education and one of the few remaining defined benefit pension plans. Basically the last good blue collar job. The ranks of conductors and engineers have a fair number of people with decent college degrees who left white collar life to do it-more money, less stress. Hours a little odd. You work with the same people throughout much of your career, older ones retiring, newer ones coming in.

    Most class 1s and especially BNSF are obsessed with Diversity hires. Yet qualified Diversity people are often not interested. Only stale pale males really want the job for the most part, along with a few of the smarter blacks and light mestizos. I never saw a single "oriental" Asian except as techs on a track geometry car, I saw a couple of Hawaiian or Samoan types.

    Blacks mostly can't pass the tests or have felonies, steezers may not have legal immigration status.

  141. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad
    @Jack D

    Exactly. Well said Jack.

    For a certain class of people, bitching about "sterile" suburbia, and how it's a big tragedy we aren't all living in the vibrant city, is just who they are.

    But suburban life is popular not because it sucks but because it's nice:
    -- space; in the house, outside--trees, lawn, patio
    -- privacy; neighbor not on top of you nor listening through the walls
    -- quiet; including not being attached to your neighbors' house
    -- easy; drive right into your garage and unload your groceries
    -- safer for the kids to play; fewer weirdos and creeps around

    Yes, some people really do like the city. And young people without kids and on-the-make for sex find it more interesting.

    But the human optimum--for most people--is not the city it's the village. People you know around, but a separate dwelling for your family. This has been the human norm for the past 10,000 years and what the average human is best psychologically adapted to. And ... that's suburbia.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Anonymous

    No one is more parochial than a New Yorker.

    Asimov famously had a protagonist travel to the limits of the known universe to launch his spaceship, namely, someplace in northwestern New Jersey.

    I drove truck for a while and on my first trip across the GW quickly learned that anyone in any borough in NYC generally literally didn’t know anything about the next block over, and had little curiosity about it.

    Kids in rural Kansas know more about Brooklyn than some people that live in Queens or the Bronx. That’s no exaggeration.

    Chicago was not _quite_ as bad wnen my family relations still lived there but to get anyone from the old Skyway-abutting neighborhood (St.Francis de Sales parish, guys who worked at the lime plant or Wisconsin or LTV Steel) to take us kids to the Museum of Science nd Industry, Adler Planetarium or Shedd Aquarium was like pulling teeth. That was the wrong part of town. We never saw the Sox because the ballpark there WAS dangerous, never saw the Cubs because though Wrigley was safe-no night games-th Cubs were for fruitcake north siders. That’s how the mill hunkies and polacks thought.

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    @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    That surfing memoir I wrote about last summer, William Finnegan's of the New Yorker, he worked on a railroad out of college and put aside enough in about 5 years to take off a couple of years from work to circle the world surfing. It sounds like he heard about this union railroad job through an uncle or such.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    There is no bad Class 1 or 2 railroad craft job. Few people realize how deluxe railroad craft guys have it. If you are willing to endure a couple of layoffs early on or chase seniority, it’s a life of nearly professional wages with a high school education and one of the few remaining defined benefit pension plans. Basically the last good blue collar job. The ranks of conductors and engineers have a fair number of people with decent college degrees who left white collar life to do it-more money, less stress. Hours a little odd. You work with the same people throughout much of your career, older ones retiring, newer ones coming in.

    Most class 1s and especially BNSF are obsessed with Diversity hires. Yet qualified Diversity people are often not interested. Only stale pale males really want the job for the most part, along with a few of the smarter blacks and light mestizos. I never saw a single “oriental” Asian except as techs on a track geometry car, I saw a couple of Hawaiian or Samoan types.

    Blacks mostly can’t pass the tests or have felonies, steezers may not have legal immigration status.

  143. @Joe Stalin
    @Steve Sailer

    I remember Don Wade on WLS-AM say the two happiest days of a boat owner: when the boat is purchased and when it is sold.

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