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From the Washington Post:

Germany springs to action over hate speech against migrants

By Anthony Faiola January 6 at 7:16 PM

BERLIN — Donald Trump may be testing the boundaries of tolerance on the U.S. campaign trail. But here in Germany, the government is effectively enforcing civility, taking aim at a surge of hate speech against refugees and Muslims.

As Western Europe’s most populous nation grapples with a historic wave of mostly-Muslim migrants, politicians and activists are decrying a rash of incendiary speech bubbling to the surface of German society. In a country whose Nazi past led to some of the strictest laws in the West protecting minorities from people inciting hatred, prosecutors are launching investigations into inflammatory comments as judges dole out fines, even probation time, to the worst offenders.

German authorities, meanwhile, have reached a deal with Facebook, Google and Twitter to get tougher on offensive content, with the outlets agreeing to apply domestic laws, rather than their own corporate policies, to reviews of posts.

Critics call it the enforcement of political correctness, raising the question of what constitutes hate speech and sparking a national debate over free expression. Germans have been outraged, for instance, by reports of more than 100 sexual assaults and robberies in the city of Cologne allegedly committed by gangs of young Arab and North African men on New Year’s Eve.

The German media largely stonewalled reporting these events in one of Germany’s most prominent public spaces for half a week.

Some Germans are questioning whether their online comments could be taken down, or whether they could be charged with incitement, for publicly pondering whether refugees could have been among the assailants.

Two of the suspects have been identified as Moroccan citizens. But Cologne police say they have not yet determined whether any of the assailants were recently arrived asylum seekers. Nevertheless, the incidents have fed a strain of anger and suspicion here beyond the traditional migrant critics in the right wing.

“It’s not politically correct to say anything against migrants. We don’t have freedom of opinion anymore. #Cologne,” Tweeted a German user from Hanover going by the handle Pulvermann.

Proponents are hailing the government effort as a way to foment respect while also controlling the most savage voices in society.

I.e., Germans, not the Iron Age immigrants who are attacking women.

… Yet even leaders on the political left are questioning whether the bid to weed out hate is going too far.

Stefan Körner, chairman of Germany’s liberal Pirate Party, argued that democracies “must be able to bear” a measure of xenophobia. He condemned the government’s deal with social media outlets to get tougher on offensive speech, saying that “surely it will lead to too many rather than too few comments being blocked. This is creeping censorship, and we definitely don’t want that.”

It remains unclear how aggressive social media sites are being — some highly offensive posts in German have indeed been quickly removed from Facebook in recent days while others have lingered online for days. Yet the push here happens as a country with a built-in sensitivity to provocative speech has seen a decidedly fiercer public discourse as more than 1 million asylum seekers and migrants crossed Germany’s border last year.

… The surge of incendiary comments online has been so strong that one of Germany’s largest media outlets, Der Spiegel, disabled its readers’ comment function for articles related to refugees. …

Such rhetoric — considered harsher than anything seen here in years — is alarming many Germans, including Chancellor Angela Merkel. In her New Year speech, Merkel, who has adopted one of the most open policies in Europe toward asylum seekers fleeing war in the Middle East, warned against the forces of hate once again brewing in Germany.

Her countrymen, she said, should not listen to “those with coldness, or even hate in their hearts, and who claim the right to be called German for themselves alone and seek to marginalize others.”

It would seem like there ought to be more interest at the moment in finding out how the hundreds of Muslims who attacked German women in Cologne used social media to organize their flash mob. But I guess there just isn’t.

Moreover, the great Hegira of 2015 was presumably organized on smartphones using platforms including Facebook, Google, and Twitter, so perhaps there should be some inquiry into that?

Germany does have a problem with violence by thugs who are anti-immigrant: cases of arson, and the poor mayoress of Cologne got stabbed by a rightwinger last fall. The co-founder of the PEGIDA protests is a nightclub promoter with a long criminal record from his younger days.

But I wonder if the sleaziness of some of the public opponents of immigration in Germany is an effect more than a cause of the legal and social restraints on freedom of speech on this crucial topic?

 
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  1. The more I think about George Orwell, and his prescient writings, the more I admire the man.

    • Replies: @boogerbently
    Mandatory groupthink. Coming, soon, to America.
    , @Anonymous
    The other day, Steve posted a item about forecasting and the lack of efficacy thereof, as it is commonly practiced.
    Well on that note, two lions of the mid 20th century, who more or less got the present state of affairs bang to rights - in contrast to a whole host of other rather overrated and over lauded pundits, happen to be two Englishmen, of that peculiar school of middle-class English 'practical men' who eschew over-intellectualizing snobbery, and when would never but never use that pompous French affectation of 'public intellectual' and all the affectations which go with it, but rather have the perscipacity for seeing the world as it is, and the honesty of calling it out as it is.

    I am speaking, of course, of George Orwell and Enoch Powell.
  2. Yes, please keep suppressing legal dissent to the current lawless Merkel regime. That will bring no problems whatsoever. It’s not like Germans have a ready made role model for how to deal with criminal minorities. When have the Germans ever been good at organized violence?

  3. Discourse which is socially unacceptable gets pushed to the fringes, and only those who have nothing to lose (ie have independent income or have no status to begin with) can engage in it openly.

    • Replies: @other anon
    I guess that's what folks admire about Trump, whether they like him or not. He's getting the socially unacceptable discourse going
  4. Off-topic,

    Why Some of the Worst Attacks on Social Science Have Come From Liberals

    http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2015/12/when-liberals-attack-social-science.html?mid=twitter-share-scienceofus#

    • Replies: @John Derbyshire

    It’s hard not to come away from Dreger’s wonderful book feeling like we’re doomed.

     

    Uh-huh.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Off-topic,

    Why Some of the Worst Attacks on Social Science Have Come From Liberals
     
    Since when had that ever been off-topic on an iSteve post? Maybe on a golf design essay. But it's like the apocryphal New Yorker cartion caption that fits any drawing.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    From the review, at least, it doesn't sound like the author addresses the most fraught issue on which liberals are at odds with science--racial differences in IQ.
  5. Most prominent subreddits deleted posts about the attacks and banned their posters even if they were articles from liberal sources like the NYT and the BBC. This is censorship on Reddit, an american website.
    Ostensibly the censorship is done by moderators, who are also users, but it is well known that moderators of big subs are being coordinated by employees on speech policies, especially since several openly racist subs were banned and the new CEO (who replaced Ellen Pao) made it clear that some content is off limits.
    Facebook, Google, and Twitter are allowing ISIS propaganda, but they censor this.

  6. You can’t have a democratic society where the citizens are told they aren’t allowed to know certain facts or say certain things, because the right to know those facts and speak them freely is critical to making informed decisions. Ergo, German officials have conspired to make Germany an undemocratic society, and treat Germans as far less than citizens.

    That is the truth which logically follows from the behavior of the German government and press.

    • Replies: @Horzabky
    Exactly so. To a lesser extent, perhaps, but nonetheless noticeably, the same is true in France, where I live.

    I've stopped buying French mainstream magazines several months ago, because I'm absolutely disgusted by the PC-ness and stonewalling of events which our unelected masters think we peasants shouldn't know. It looks like I'm not the only one, since the French press wouldn't survive without public financial assistance. I already finance the mainstream press with my taxes. I won't give them any of the money which remains in my wallet after taxes.

    Thanks God, we have the Internet. But probably not forever.

    Some people wonder why judges are more severe with anti-migrant messages than with jihadi ones. In my humble opinion, it's a matter of social control. Merkel's power rests on controlling the Germans. It's the same thing in every Western country. Think of that: Merkel's authority (and Hollande's, Cameron's, Obama's) rests on the white population doing what it's told to do and behaving like good citizens who don't litter, stop at red lights and don't cheat on their taxes.

    Actually, it's more pleasant not to litter, and it's safer to stop at red lights and not to cheat on taxes, but when I fill my income tax returns I can't help thinking that my honesty is effectively doing me harm.

    The more some minority groups misbehave, the more pressure is exerted on the white majority. The more Blacks and Muslims misbehave, the more pressure there is to punish the slightest hint of racism or islamophobia, because the powers that be are afraid of losing control. On the other hand, you can say whatever you want about the French, the Germans, the Poles, or Christians: it isn't a matter of social control.
  7. “German authorities, meanwhile, have reached a deal with Facebook, Google and Twitter to get tougher on offensive content, with the outlets agreeing to apply domestic laws, rather than their own corporate policies, to reviews of posts.”

    Because, Frau Merkel, the Nazis never, you know, CLAMPED DOWN ON FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

    We live in dangerous times.

  8. @grapesoda
    Discourse which is socially unacceptable gets pushed to the fringes, and only those who have nothing to lose (ie have independent income or have no status to begin with) can engage in it openly.

    I guess that’s what folks admire about Trump, whether they like him or not. He’s getting the socially unacceptable discourse going

  9. “Merkel rejects limits on refugee intake at CSU meeting in Bavaria”

    http://www.dw.com/en/merkel-rejects-limits-on-refugee-intake-at-csu-meeting-in-bavaria/a-18964156

    “Angela Merkel attended a meeting on Wednesday with representatives of the Christian Social Union (CSU), sister party of her Christian Democratic Union (CDU), after a tense previous appearance in November alongside state premier Horst Seehofer. Meeting with CSU representatives in the Bavarian town of Wildbad Kreuth, Merkel again rejected proposals for capping the number of refugees allowed into Germany in 2016.

    “There exist some varying positions. That will probably not change in the discussion today,” Merkel said, referring to CSU chief Horst Seehofer’s desire to implement a natiowide ceiling of 200,000 refugees this year. Seehofer himself said people shouldn’t expect him and the chancellor to reach an agreement on the issue, telling reporters to forget the idea that “we’re going to have a completely new refugee policy” by tonight. “I stand by my claim that we need a change in refugee policy this year,” he said.

    Other CSU officials, such as the party’s Bundestag chairwoman Gerda Hasselfeldt, echoed Seehofer’s comments. “That is a benchmark that makes it clear: We need a stronger limit,” Hasselfeldt said, referring to the proposed cap. When Merkel last shared a stage with Seehofer, the state premier left the chancellor stranded at his side on stage as he berated her policies for almost a quarter of an hour. The images adorned German front pages for several days.”

  10. @Wilkey
    You can't have a democratic society where the citizens are told they aren't allowed to know certain facts or say certain things, because the right to know those facts and speak them freely is critical to making informed decisions. Ergo, German officials have conspired to make Germany an undemocratic society, and treat Germans as far less than citizens.

    That is the truth which logically follows from the behavior of the German government and press.

    Exactly so. To a lesser extent, perhaps, but nonetheless noticeably, the same is true in France, where I live.

    I’ve stopped buying French mainstream magazines several months ago, because I’m absolutely disgusted by the PC-ness and stonewalling of events which our unelected masters think we peasants shouldn’t know. It looks like I’m not the only one, since the French press wouldn’t survive without public financial assistance. I already finance the mainstream press with my taxes. I won’t give them any of the money which remains in my wallet after taxes.

    Thanks God, we have the Internet. But probably not forever.

    Some people wonder why judges are more severe with anti-migrant messages than with jihadi ones. In my humble opinion, it’s a matter of social control. Merkel’s power rests on controlling the Germans. It’s the same thing in every Western country. Think of that: Merkel’s authority (and Hollande’s, Cameron’s, Obama’s) rests on the white population doing what it’s told to do and behaving like good citizens who don’t litter, stop at red lights and don’t cheat on their taxes.

    Actually, it’s more pleasant not to litter, and it’s safer to stop at red lights and not to cheat on taxes, but when I fill my income tax returns I can’t help thinking that my honesty is effectively doing me harm.

    The more some minority groups misbehave, the more pressure is exerted on the white majority. The more Blacks and Muslims misbehave, the more pressure there is to punish the slightest hint of racism or islamophobia, because the powers that be are afraid of losing control. On the other hand, you can say whatever you want about the French, the Germans, the Poles, or Christians: it isn’t a matter of social control.

    • Agree: BB753, Kylie, Richard S
    • Replies: @ic1000
    Sam Francis' eleven-year-old essay, Anarcho-Tyranny—Where Multiculturalism Leads. Worth reading, as it could have been written yesterday (though it still couldn't be published in an organ of the respectable media).

    Unwilling to control immigration and the cultural disintegration it causes, the authorities instead control the law-abiding.

    This is precisely the bizarre system of misrule I have elsewhere described as "anarcho-tyranny"—we refuse to control real criminals (that`s the anarchy) so we control the innocent (that`s the tyranny).
     
    , @anonymous
    You've summarized this very well and to the point. Somehow I feel that the various 'leaders' all across the borders have formed some secular and unofficial royal courts of a sort where they control their respective populations and hobnob with each other as equals, bragging about who has the better property under them and engaging in horse swaps and deals between themselves. The populace is handled by a massive propaganda apparatus as well as the various police agencies. The ones running things certainly wouldn't do anything which would undermine the system that keeps them on top. Freedom in the west is much touted and is also fake. One is only 'free' if they go along with the program, otherwise bad things can happen and you wouldn't want that now would you?
  11. For how long the so-called liberal democracies can suppress opposition to their immigration policies is anyone’s guess. Bottled-up dissent will explode one day – unless mass brainwashing has succeeded to the extent that even George Orwell would have been surprised.

    It’s weird to observe how easily passivity and apathy have been imposed in place of the white man’s burden.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    There's still too much to lose and nothing to gain. Middle class people with jobs are not going to duke it out with riot police nor engage in street fights with Arabs and North Africans at this point. But there are only two eventual outcomes: surrender or brutal violence. Western immigration policy is completely irresponsible, i.e., treasonous.
  12. Maybe Trump have one of his sons apply for German citizenship so he can run for chancellor there.

  13. • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
    And The Donald ups the ante. Indicates he'll ban 700 million from UK/Scotlandshire.
    Wasn't ever going to happen. These idiotic petitions routinely top six, seven figures, and are bravely ignored by the Masters.
    i. Why would he care? He doesn't go there for the weather.
    ii. Mrs. Maybee will see sense (as in, money talks).
  14. @syonredux
    Off-topic,


    Why Some of the Worst Attacks on Social Science Have Come From Liberals

    http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2015/12/when-liberals-attack-social-science.html?mid=twitter-share-scienceofus#

    It’s hard not to come away from Dreger’s wonderful book feeling like we’re doomed.

    Uh-huh.

    • Agree: Richard S
  15. There was an assassination attempt on Nigel Farage but Merkel is still safe? There seems to be a disconnect between the scaremongering about the Nationalists, who don’t do much, and the Globalists who are portrayed as peaceful and yet they’re the instigators of turmoil and assassination attempts on those who reject the Globalist destruction of societies.

    Frankly, I’m surprised that no present-day Claus von Stauffenberg taken action. As was noted upthread, those with too much to lose simply submit to oppression and those with nothing to lose are free to speak and act, but those with nothing to lose have little ability to change the course of events.

    • Replies: @berserker
    - It is the AntiFa "refugees welcome" crowd that are more violent than the so-called far-Right. It will not surprise me, in the wake of the sexual assaults in Germany, if they torch some refugee centers themselves and blame it on the Right.
    - There is a hilarious video on YouTube where some AntiFa members giddily try to join a gathering of Muslims in Rosengard, Sweden, expecting to be warmly received as friends; and are beaten and driven off.
    , @AndrewR
    Farage is Globalist Lite. Controlled opposition.
  16. @TangoMan
    There was an assassination attempt on Nigel Farage but Merkel is still safe? There seems to be a disconnect between the scaremongering about the Nationalists, who don't do much, and the Globalists who are portrayed as peaceful and yet they're the instigators of turmoil and assassination attempts on those who reject the Globalist destruction of societies.

    Frankly, I'm surprised that no present-day Claus von Stauffenberg taken action. As was noted upthread, those with too much to lose simply submit to oppression and those with nothing to lose are free to speak and act, but those with nothing to lose have little ability to change the course of events.

    – It is the AntiFa “refugees welcome” crowd that are more violent than the so-called far-Right. It will not surprise me, in the wake of the sexual assaults in Germany, if they torch some refugee centers themselves and blame it on the Right.
    – There is a hilarious video on YouTube where some AntiFa members giddily try to join a gathering of Muslims in Rosengard, Sweden, expecting to be warmly received as friends; and are beaten and driven off.

  17. @JEC
    For how long the so-called liberal democracies can suppress opposition to their immigration policies is anyone's guess. Bottled-up dissent will explode one day - unless mass brainwashing has succeeded to the extent that even George Orwell would have been surprised.

    It's weird to observe how easily passivity and apathy have been imposed in place of the white man's burden.

    There’s still too much to lose and nothing to gain. Middle class people with jobs are not going to duke it out with riot police nor engage in street fights with Arabs and North Africans at this point. But there are only two eventual outcomes: surrender or brutal violence. Western immigration policy is completely irresponsible, i.e., treasonous.

    • Replies: @Divine Right
    "There’s still too much to lose and nothing to gain. Middle class people with jobs are not going to duke it out with riot police nor engage in street fights with Arabs and North Africans at this point."

    Perhaps not, but they could always vote en masse to elect Donald Trump...who could then call off future presidential elections, ensuring our people remain in control indefinitely.

    Democracy is like a game of musical chairs. Eventually, the music will stop and he who has the chair wins. The left is trying to end the game by mass immigration, leaving them permanently in charge and able to suppress and persecute their enemies (you). The question is, "can the natives beat them to the punch?"
  18. I hesitate to say this since I am only 11 years old and don’t know what all the legal ramifications are, “But, Frau Merkel isn’t wearing anything at all.” There, I’ve said it. I wonder if unz.com will block my “hate speech.”

  19. But here in Germany, the government is effectively enforcing civility, taking aim at a surge of hate speech against refugees and Muslims.

    Should read:

    But here in Germany, the government is effectively enforcing the official narrative, taking aim at a surge of political dissent.

  20. @Horzabky
    Exactly so. To a lesser extent, perhaps, but nonetheless noticeably, the same is true in France, where I live.

    I've stopped buying French mainstream magazines several months ago, because I'm absolutely disgusted by the PC-ness and stonewalling of events which our unelected masters think we peasants shouldn't know. It looks like I'm not the only one, since the French press wouldn't survive without public financial assistance. I already finance the mainstream press with my taxes. I won't give them any of the money which remains in my wallet after taxes.

    Thanks God, we have the Internet. But probably not forever.

    Some people wonder why judges are more severe with anti-migrant messages than with jihadi ones. In my humble opinion, it's a matter of social control. Merkel's power rests on controlling the Germans. It's the same thing in every Western country. Think of that: Merkel's authority (and Hollande's, Cameron's, Obama's) rests on the white population doing what it's told to do and behaving like good citizens who don't litter, stop at red lights and don't cheat on their taxes.

    Actually, it's more pleasant not to litter, and it's safer to stop at red lights and not to cheat on taxes, but when I fill my income tax returns I can't help thinking that my honesty is effectively doing me harm.

    The more some minority groups misbehave, the more pressure is exerted on the white majority. The more Blacks and Muslims misbehave, the more pressure there is to punish the slightest hint of racism or islamophobia, because the powers that be are afraid of losing control. On the other hand, you can say whatever you want about the French, the Germans, the Poles, or Christians: it isn't a matter of social control.

    Sam Francis’ eleven-year-old essay, Anarcho-Tyranny—Where Multiculturalism Leads. Worth reading, as it could have been written yesterday (though it still couldn’t be published in an organ of the respectable media).

    Unwilling to control immigration and the cultural disintegration it causes, the authorities instead control the law-abiding.

    This is precisely the bizarre system of misrule I have elsewhere described as “anarcho-tyranny”—we refuse to control real criminals (that`s the anarchy) so we control the innocent (that`s the tyranny).

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "Sam Francis’ eleven-year-old essay, Anarcho-Tyranny—Where Multiculturalism Leads. "

    Sam Francis is sadly underrated (not in these precincts, but generally). "Anarcho-tyranny" is a perfect description of the program conducted by our hostile elites.

  21. @ic1000
    Sam Francis' eleven-year-old essay, Anarcho-Tyranny—Where Multiculturalism Leads. Worth reading, as it could have been written yesterday (though it still couldn't be published in an organ of the respectable media).

    Unwilling to control immigration and the cultural disintegration it causes, the authorities instead control the law-abiding.

    This is precisely the bizarre system of misrule I have elsewhere described as "anarcho-tyranny"—we refuse to control real criminals (that`s the anarchy) so we control the innocent (that`s the tyranny).
     

    “Sam Francis’ eleven-year-old essay, Anarcho-Tyranny—Where Multiculturalism Leads. ”

    Sam Francis is sadly underrated (not in these precincts, but generally). “Anarcho-tyranny” is a perfect description of the program conducted by our hostile elites.

  22. The German media largely stonewalled reporting these events in one of Germany’s most prominent public spaces for half a week.

    Well, your usual crap. Surprise!?
    You’re really at least as bad as the MSM you complain about.

    How bad it was came only to light over several days. For what I heard, on Jan 1 the police got some 30 reports of women who got robbed or/& groped. & the number of reports grew over the next days. Local newspapers were already reporting on Jan 2. On Monday Cologne police held a press conference about what happened & then it became national news. & pretty much all the papers right from the start mentioned the origin of the perpetrators. The only exception I know of is Die Zeit, which only added this information later, after readers complained.

    It would seem like there ought to be more interest at the moment in finding out how the hundreds of Muslims who attacked German women in Cologne used social media to organize their flash mob.

    Why would they need the internet? Which flashmob? Seems you have more information than people in Germany. Or maybe you’re just believing some moronic crap which is spreading online?

    The crowds around Cologne station on new year’s eve are normal. Sexual harassment as a distraction for petty theft seems to have become more common over the last few years (called Antanzen by German police). The new dimension was that dozens (not hundreds, the whole crowd was only 1000) of thieves now used the crowd as a cover for their actions (& perhaps some idiots in the crowd thought they could get some pussy by joining in). Incompetence by the Cologne police also seems to have played quite a role.

    • Replies: @vinteuil
    bossel, were you there?
    , @Yngvar
    Just shut up.

    "German public broadcaster ZDF has apologised for delays in reporting on a wave of sexual assaults blamed on men of Arab appearance amid accusations Wednesday of media self-censorship of the inflammatory issue." (http://tribune.com.pk/story/1022911/german-broadcaster-sorry-for-slow-reporting-on-mob-assaults/)

  23. Steve, you refreshingly clarified issues that the average German does not even dream of.

    I had not thought of the issue that the German media forces social media to repress non-violent free speech against refugees, but is unconcerned about twitter and facebook use to foment riots and terror.

    —————————–
    Self Censorship by German MSM prevents Racism, Xenophobia.

    http://fluechtling.net/refugees/self-censorship-msm.html

    German Main Stream Media censorship is even more efficient than in the US. The German Pressecodex 12.1 is similar to the US Associated Press Stylebook [2], demanding that race, religion, national origin of minority criminals be hidden.

    Due to Nazi past knee jerk fears, and lack of first amendment rights, German censorship is a lot more efficient. Germans are totally deprived of knowledge that can be found on alternative English language sites.

    Bold language, like Ann Coulter’s could lead to fines and prison terms in Germany.

    • Replies: @donut
    "I had not thought of the issue that the German media forces social media to repress non-violent free speech against refugees, but is unconcerned about twitter and facebook use to foment riots and terror."

    Even on TeamSpeak my German friends are self censoring in a group . Sometimes one on one you might get some anti immigrant views . As one acquaintance told me he could be arrested in Germany for expressing the views that I expressed .
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Bold language, like Ann Coulter’s could lead to fines and prison terms in Germany.

     

    When fascism comes to America, it will be called anti-fascism-- Will Rogers

    Same with Germany, only sooner.
  24. @TangoMan
    There was an assassination attempt on Nigel Farage but Merkel is still safe? There seems to be a disconnect between the scaremongering about the Nationalists, who don't do much, and the Globalists who are portrayed as peaceful and yet they're the instigators of turmoil and assassination attempts on those who reject the Globalist destruction of societies.

    Frankly, I'm surprised that no present-day Claus von Stauffenberg taken action. As was noted upthread, those with too much to lose simply submit to oppression and those with nothing to lose are free to speak and act, but those with nothing to lose have little ability to change the course of events.

    Farage is Globalist Lite. Controlled opposition.

  25. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Horzabky
    Exactly so. To a lesser extent, perhaps, but nonetheless noticeably, the same is true in France, where I live.

    I've stopped buying French mainstream magazines several months ago, because I'm absolutely disgusted by the PC-ness and stonewalling of events which our unelected masters think we peasants shouldn't know. It looks like I'm not the only one, since the French press wouldn't survive without public financial assistance. I already finance the mainstream press with my taxes. I won't give them any of the money which remains in my wallet after taxes.

    Thanks God, we have the Internet. But probably not forever.

    Some people wonder why judges are more severe with anti-migrant messages than with jihadi ones. In my humble opinion, it's a matter of social control. Merkel's power rests on controlling the Germans. It's the same thing in every Western country. Think of that: Merkel's authority (and Hollande's, Cameron's, Obama's) rests on the white population doing what it's told to do and behaving like good citizens who don't litter, stop at red lights and don't cheat on their taxes.

    Actually, it's more pleasant not to litter, and it's safer to stop at red lights and not to cheat on taxes, but when I fill my income tax returns I can't help thinking that my honesty is effectively doing me harm.

    The more some minority groups misbehave, the more pressure is exerted on the white majority. The more Blacks and Muslims misbehave, the more pressure there is to punish the slightest hint of racism or islamophobia, because the powers that be are afraid of losing control. On the other hand, you can say whatever you want about the French, the Germans, the Poles, or Christians: it isn't a matter of social control.

    You’ve summarized this very well and to the point. Somehow I feel that the various ‘leaders’ all across the borders have formed some secular and unofficial royal courts of a sort where they control their respective populations and hobnob with each other as equals, bragging about who has the better property under them and engaging in horse swaps and deals between themselves. The populace is handled by a massive propaganda apparatus as well as the various police agencies. The ones running things certainly wouldn’t do anything which would undermine the system that keeps them on top. Freedom in the west is much touted and is also fake. One is only ‘free’ if they go along with the program, otherwise bad things can happen and you wouldn’t want that now would you?

  26. Steve you try too hard to be PC.

    Instead of signaling your respectability by calling violent right wingers “thugs” and “sleazy”, say something like “if Germany doesn’t want nationalist sentiment to be expressed through violence by people with nothing to lose then it needs to allow people with a lot to lose to openly express themselves and advance their agenda through the political class.”

    One might note that you appear to have expended more electrons on labelling a tiny extremist minority of right-wingers as “thugs” than you have on the far more numerous violent left-wingers.

    I personally don’t consider you to be controlled opposition but one could make a reasonably strong argument that you are.

  27. But I wonder if the sleaziness of some of the public opponents of immigration

    I don’t want to go down that dark hallway of wing nut conspiracy thought, but it should be kept in mind that the use of “less than pure” minions is a proven tactic of the elite.

  28. @Fluechtling.net (refugees in Germany)
    Steve, you refreshingly clarified issues that the average German does not even dream of.

    I had not thought of the issue that the German media forces social media to repress non-violent free speech against refugees, but is unconcerned about twitter and facebook use to foment riots and terror.

    -----------------------------
    Self Censorship by German MSM prevents Racism, Xenophobia.

    http://fluechtling.net/refugees/self-censorship-msm.html

    German Main Stream Media censorship is even more efficient than in the US. The German Pressecodex 12.1 is similar to the US Associated Press Stylebook [2], demanding that race, religion, national origin of minority criminals be hidden.

    Due to Nazi past knee jerk fears, and lack of first amendment rights, German censorship is a lot more efficient. Germans are totally deprived of knowledge that can be found on alternative English language sites.

    Bold language, like Ann Coulter's could lead to fines and prison terms in Germany.

    “I had not thought of the issue that the German media forces social media to repress non-violent free speech against refugees, but is unconcerned about twitter and facebook use to foment riots and terror.”

    Even on TeamSpeak my German friends are self censoring in a group . Sometimes one on one you might get some anti immigrant views . As one acquaintance told me he could be arrested in Germany for expressing the views that I expressed .

  29. Priss Factor [AKA "CL"] says:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/cologne-new-year-sex-attacks-germanys-women-are-angry-scared—a/?utm

    They condemn ‘racism’ along with ‘sexism’.

    But isn’t it ‘racist’ to deny interracial passion? Besides, if Germans say it’s okay for aliens to violate and trespass into German territory, why are they complaining about aliens violating the bodies of German women? If it is ‘racist’ to deny forced entry into your land by foreign men, it must also be ‘racist’ to deny them forced entry into your body. Not only your land but your body must be ‘welcoming’ and ‘inclusive’ and never discriminate.

    Nationalism is said to be ‘racist’ for denying trespass into your land by foreigners. Then, it follows that women’s rights are also ‘racist’ for giving women the choice of who gets in and who stays out.
    Shouldn’t they be welcoming to any man who seeks refuge from sexual frustration?

    Help the sexual refugees. Poor lads, all of them.

  30. @bossel

    The German media largely stonewalled reporting these events in one of Germany’s most prominent public spaces for half a week.
     
    Well, your usual crap. Surprise!?
    You're really at least as bad as the MSM you complain about.

    How bad it was came only to light over several days. For what I heard, on Jan 1 the police got some 30 reports of women who got robbed or/& groped. & the number of reports grew over the next days. Local newspapers were already reporting on Jan 2. On Monday Cologne police held a press conference about what happened & then it became national news. & pretty much all the papers right from the start mentioned the origin of the perpetrators. The only exception I know of is Die Zeit, which only added this information later, after readers complained.

    It would seem like there ought to be more interest at the moment in finding out how the hundreds of Muslims who attacked German women in Cologne used social media to organize their flash mob.
     
    Why would they need the internet? Which flashmob? Seems you have more information than people in Germany. Or maybe you're just believing some moronic crap which is spreading online?

    The crowds around Cologne station on new year's eve are normal. Sexual harassment as a distraction for petty theft seems to have become more common over the last few years (called Antanzen by German police). The new dimension was that dozens (not hundreds, the whole crowd was only 1000) of thieves now used the crowd as a cover for their actions (& perhaps some idiots in the crowd thought they could get some pussy by joining in). Incompetence by the Cologne police also seems to have played quite a role.

    bossel, were you there?

  31. Abraham Lincoln closed many Northern newspapers that dared to criticize him. In the 19th century, that militant censorship worked. Today it’s going to back fire. Hard.

    The left wing governments and enterprises can fine, censor, sanction, and even jail those with dissenting viewpoints. That will hurt people, but it will fuel more dissent and completely cede any moral/ethical high ground. It will enshrine people like Donald Trump as an icon of freedom of speech and freedom of thought.

    • Replies: @Anon
    "Abraham Lincoln closed many Northern newspapers that dared to criticize him. In the 19th century, that militant censorship worked. Today it’s going to back fire. Hard."

    Why would the gov need to shut down media today?

    Big media are totally in cahoots with big gov as both are controlled by the PROGLOB.
  32. the government is effectively enforcing civility

    The media are covering up crimes that don’t fit the narrative and the government is forcing victims of those crimes not to talk about them on social media with the full collusion of people like Ilya Zuckerberg.

  33. “mayoress of Cologne got stabbed by a rightwinger”

    This was staged, as far as I remember. He was a V-Mann.

  34. @bossel

    The German media largely stonewalled reporting these events in one of Germany’s most prominent public spaces for half a week.
     
    Well, your usual crap. Surprise!?
    You're really at least as bad as the MSM you complain about.

    How bad it was came only to light over several days. For what I heard, on Jan 1 the police got some 30 reports of women who got robbed or/& groped. & the number of reports grew over the next days. Local newspapers were already reporting on Jan 2. On Monday Cologne police held a press conference about what happened & then it became national news. & pretty much all the papers right from the start mentioned the origin of the perpetrators. The only exception I know of is Die Zeit, which only added this information later, after readers complained.

    It would seem like there ought to be more interest at the moment in finding out how the hundreds of Muslims who attacked German women in Cologne used social media to organize their flash mob.
     
    Why would they need the internet? Which flashmob? Seems you have more information than people in Germany. Or maybe you're just believing some moronic crap which is spreading online?

    The crowds around Cologne station on new year's eve are normal. Sexual harassment as a distraction for petty theft seems to have become more common over the last few years (called Antanzen by German police). The new dimension was that dozens (not hundreds, the whole crowd was only 1000) of thieves now used the crowd as a cover for their actions (& perhaps some idiots in the crowd thought they could get some pussy by joining in). Incompetence by the Cologne police also seems to have played quite a role.

    Just shut up.

    “German public broadcaster ZDF has apologised for delays in reporting on a wave of sexual assaults blamed on men of Arab appearance amid accusations Wednesday of media self-censorship of the inflammatory issue.” (http://tribune.com.pk/story/1022911/german-broadcaster-sorry-for-slow-reporting-on-mob-assaults/)

  35. @Anonymous
    The more I think about George Orwell, and his prescient writings, the more I admire the man.

    Mandatory groupthink. Coming, soon, to America.

  36. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    The more I think about George Orwell, and his prescient writings, the more I admire the man.

    The other day, Steve posted a item about forecasting and the lack of efficacy thereof, as it is commonly practiced.
    Well on that note, two lions of the mid 20th century, who more or less got the present state of affairs bang to rights – in contrast to a whole host of other rather overrated and over lauded pundits, happen to be two Englishmen, of that peculiar school of middle-class English ‘practical men’ who eschew over-intellectualizing snobbery, and when would never but never use that pompous French affectation of ‘public intellectual’ and all the affectations which go with it, but rather have the perscipacity for seeing the world as it is, and the honesty of calling it out as it is.

    I am speaking, of course, of George Orwell and Enoch Powell.

  37. @Rob McX

    And The Donald ups the ante. Indicates he’ll ban 700 million from UK/Scotlandshire.
    Wasn’t ever going to happen. These idiotic petitions routinely top six, seven figures, and are bravely ignored by the Masters.
    i. Why would he care? He doesn’t go there for the weather.
    ii. Mrs. Maybee will see sense (as in, money talks).

  38. @syonredux
    Off-topic,


    Why Some of the Worst Attacks on Social Science Have Come From Liberals

    http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2015/12/when-liberals-attack-social-science.html?mid=twitter-share-scienceofus#

    Off-topic,

    Why Some of the Worst Attacks on Social Science Have Come From Liberals

    Since when had that ever been off-topic on an iSteve post? Maybe on a golf design essay. But it’s like the apocryphal New Yorker cartion caption that fits any drawing.

  39. @Fluechtling.net (refugees in Germany)
    Steve, you refreshingly clarified issues that the average German does not even dream of.

    I had not thought of the issue that the German media forces social media to repress non-violent free speech against refugees, but is unconcerned about twitter and facebook use to foment riots and terror.

    -----------------------------
    Self Censorship by German MSM prevents Racism, Xenophobia.

    http://fluechtling.net/refugees/self-censorship-msm.html

    German Main Stream Media censorship is even more efficient than in the US. The German Pressecodex 12.1 is similar to the US Associated Press Stylebook [2], demanding that race, religion, national origin of minority criminals be hidden.

    Due to Nazi past knee jerk fears, and lack of first amendment rights, German censorship is a lot more efficient. Germans are totally deprived of knowledge that can be found on alternative English language sites.

    Bold language, like Ann Coulter's could lead to fines and prison terms in Germany.

    Bold language, like Ann Coulter’s could lead to fines and prison terms in Germany.

    When fascism comes to America, it will be called anti-fascism– Will Rogers

    Same with Germany, only sooner.

  40. When I glanced at the headline, I though it was another classic headline by Steve. Then I saw it was the actual headline. Good grief.

  41. Nick Griffin was tried twice (retried) and acquitted on race hate charges, including one for exposing the grooming gangs that police and prosecutors had been ignoring for 40 years.

    Germany does not have trial by jury, it is professional civil service judges who conduct a preliminary investigation and decide on the verdict. Anyone charged with criticism of immigration in Germany is as good as convicted.

  42. way to foment respect

    Interesting use of “foment”.

  43. Donald Trump may be testing the boundaries of tolerance on the U.S. campaign trail. But here in Germany….

    Only someone in Germany would make a statement like that. Trump, in no way, shape or form, is “testing the boundaries of tolerance.” Many presidential candidates who have come from both left and right fringes and made far more extreme comments than Trump over the years, and they were tolerated without question.

    Buchanan said things that were more extreme than Trump, and most didn’t think he was at the edge of what could be tolerated. Jesse Ventura, maybe, bet that’s it. But throwing people like Trump in jail has become so common in Germany, the ordinary idiot over there thinks that Trump is on edge, in terms of free speech.

    The media still can’t seem to understand that the story is not about what Trump says. It’s about the popularity of what Trump says.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The media still can’t seem to understand that the story is not about what Trump says. It’s about the popularity of what Trump says.
     
    The real news is not that the Donald is talking, but that he's listening.
  44. @syonredux
    Off-topic,


    Why Some of the Worst Attacks on Social Science Have Come From Liberals

    http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2015/12/when-liberals-attack-social-science.html?mid=twitter-share-scienceofus#

    From the review, at least, it doesn’t sound like the author addresses the most fraught issue on which liberals are at odds with science–racial differences in IQ.

  45. Laws against “hate speech” are already here in the United States camouflaged as anti-bullying laws:

    New Jersey high schooler accused of violating New Jersey anti-bullying laws for making anti-Israel tweets.

    “A social media storm erupted after administrators at a New Jersey high school accused a student of bullying because of anti-Israel comments that she posted on Twitter. They say that the tweets may have violated the state’s broad anti-bullying laws. Bethany Koval, a 16-year-old Israeli Jew, said on Wednesday that she was called to the principal’s office at Fair Lawn High School and reprimanded for making tweets criticizing Israel and mentioning that a pro-Israel classmate had unfollowed her on Twitter.”

    https://www.rt.com/usa/328218-new-jersey-bullying-tweets/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome

  46. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Massimo Heitor
    Abraham Lincoln closed many Northern newspapers that dared to criticize him. In the 19th century, that militant censorship worked. Today it's going to back fire. Hard.

    The left wing governments and enterprises can fine, censor, sanction, and even jail those with dissenting viewpoints. That will hurt people, but it will fuel more dissent and completely cede any moral/ethical high ground. It will enshrine people like Donald Trump as an icon of freedom of speech and freedom of thought.

    “Abraham Lincoln closed many Northern newspapers that dared to criticize him. In the 19th century, that militant censorship worked. Today it’s going to back fire. Hard.”

    Why would the gov need to shut down media today?

    Big media are totally in cahoots with big gov as both are controlled by the PROGLOB.

  47. “But I wonder if the sleaziness of some of the public opponents of immigration in Germany is an effect more than a cause of the legal and social restraints on freedom of speech on this crucial topic?”

    “Sleaziness” is actually a sign of sincerity.
    People are either sleazy or hypocritically full of shit.
    Any issue that excites criminals, the uneducated, and the toothless to make sacrifices for something bigger than themselves is guaranteed to be truly sublime. The stupid mob heart of mankind is the central wellspring of all transcendental bliss.

  48. There are 3 million Polish people in Germany, yet you never hear about gangs of Polack men going around sexually assaulting German women. Polish people are a Model Minority in any country that has a sizable Polish diaspora population.

  49. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    First of all Steve Sailer, typist for WaPo, Donald Trump’s name in the first sentence had no relevance to women being molested in Cologne, FRG by muslims, for which people are outraged. Slimy of you to swing in your disdain for Trump. Nonetheless, raising a stink over free speech is more important than rape, sexual attacks, molestation, groping and/or mauling of women Cologne, FRG in by these muslim degenerates? Sounds like Merkel is more like a female Hitler with attempt to diminish free speech…..deplorable and hateful to the citizens of FRG, accommodating and asskissing to the degenerate muslims….

  50. @The Anti-Gnostic
    There's still too much to lose and nothing to gain. Middle class people with jobs are not going to duke it out with riot police nor engage in street fights with Arabs and North Africans at this point. But there are only two eventual outcomes: surrender or brutal violence. Western immigration policy is completely irresponsible, i.e., treasonous.

    “There’s still too much to lose and nothing to gain. Middle class people with jobs are not going to duke it out with riot police nor engage in street fights with Arabs and North Africans at this point.”

    Perhaps not, but they could always vote en masse to elect Donald Trump…who could then call off future presidential elections, ensuring our people remain in control indefinitely.

    Democracy is like a game of musical chairs. Eventually, the music will stop and he who has the chair wins. The left is trying to end the game by mass immigration, leaving them permanently in charge and able to suppress and persecute their enemies (you). The question is, “can the natives beat them to the punch?”

  51. @J1234

    Donald Trump may be testing the boundaries of tolerance on the U.S. campaign trail. But here in Germany....
     
    Only someone in Germany would make a statement like that. Trump, in no way, shape or form, is "testing the boundaries of tolerance." Many presidential candidates who have come from both left and right fringes and made far more extreme comments than Trump over the years, and they were tolerated without question.

    Buchanan said things that were more extreme than Trump, and most didn't think he was at the edge of what could be tolerated. Jesse Ventura, maybe, bet that's it. But throwing people like Trump in jail has become so common in Germany, the ordinary idiot over there thinks that Trump is on edge, in terms of free speech.

    The media still can't seem to understand that the story is not about what Trump says. It's about the popularity of what Trump says.

    The media still can’t seem to understand that the story is not about what Trump says. It’s about the popularity of what Trump says.

    The real news is not that the Donald is talking, but that he’s listening.

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