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From the Washington Post, which seems to be on a hot streak:

As Ebola patient in Texas fights for his life, his family copes with stigma and isolation

By DeNeen L. Brown, Abby Phillip and Sean Sullivan October 5

DALLAS — As a Liberian man diagnosed with Ebola was fighting to survive Sunday in a Texas hospital, his worried family members and others who were in contact with him said they are being ostracized by the local Liberian community, which is struggling to cope with fear, isolation and the stigma associated with the deadly disease. …

Six days after the first U.S. case was diagnosed, fear has raced across the Liberian community here. Public health officials are monitoring as many as 49 people who may have had contact with Duncan, whose flight landed in Dallas on Sept. 20. Four people, including Troh, who were close to him have been ordered to remain in isolation for the 21-day incubation period to help prevent the disease from spreading. CDC officials visit daily to monitor their temperatures for fever. None of them have developed symptoms, health officials said.

As they wait for any signs of illness, family members say their lives have been destroyed by rampant fear of the deadly disease.

“This whole Ebola thing — this virus is tearing people apart,” Jallah said. “Since the whole thing occurred, nobody has come to visit.”

On Saturday night, Jallah sat alone with her two children in the dim light of her garden apartment in Dallas, in self-imposed isolation. …

Although CDC officials have cleared her, saying it is unlikely she contracted Ebola when she visited her mother’s apartment last week to welcome the man she calls her stepfather, she said she has been shunned.

 
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  1. Well, now that we’ve cleared up who the REAL victims are in all this…

    I want to stay home with nobody but my family for 21 days. Sounds fantastic. Seriously.

    • Replies: @MC
    @smurfette

    So long as baseball playoffs and college football are on the TV, I couldn't agree more.

  2. If you can’t blame the cops then its the delicate sensibilities, or both if you can swing it.

  3. Jesse Jackson is on his way.

    • Replies: @donut
    @anonymous

    I doubt it , he don't want no f**kin' eboola.

  4. @smurfette
    Well, now that we've cleared up who the REAL victims are in all this...

    I want to stay home with nobody but my family for 21 days. Sounds fantastic. Seriously.

    Replies: @MC

    So long as baseball playoffs and college football are on the TV, I couldn’t agree more.

  5. Anybody here who hasn’t yet fully appreciated the realities of life in Liberia has just got to watch this:

    http://www.vice.com/the-vice-guide-to-travel/the-vice-guide-to-liberia-full-length/

    • Replies: @Ed
    @vinteuil

    I watched these videos before the out break. The Civil War one with the cannibal soldiers is one of the most watch Vice videos ever. Liberia is a wretched country even by African standards. Wasn't always that ways it was somewhat decent after WW2.

    In 1980 the proverbial Natives got restless and the Africans got rid of the Americo-Liberians. Can't say I blame them the Americos ran the country like well slave owners. They were very contempuous of the Africans.

    The Africans that came in power 1980 led by a 28 year old soldier , Samuel Doe, who was probably illiterate. He eventually would be removed from power by rebel soldiers about 10 years after the coup. He was captured and his body mutilated his ears cut off, with a general sipping a beer barking that his ear be brought to him. It's assumed the general ate his ear.

    Some good books to read to get some flavor on Liberia are The House at Sugar Beach: In Search of a Lost African Childhood and

    Another America: The Story of Liberia and the Former Slaves Who Ruled It

    , @Dahlia
    @vinteuil

    Thanks for the reminder (and the rejoinder to my musing the other day on Indian slums vs. West Africa... forgot how horrible their slums were!) Vice can do some really great work, this and their Isis embedding, but it took them forever to write about Rotherham, and when they finally did, it was about how the right wing might exploit it.

    Ted,
    I've been following it very closely even though I've said here I'm not too worried about this outbreak. I've found that the more elite newspapers, the Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, etc. are very good sources.
    Anything less do not bother with: there are elections just around the corner and these hacks, professionals as well as freelancers who pollute blogs with long diatribes, aren't concerned with providing you and yours the best information and fullest picture, but getting their team, guy, whatever, elected.

    It was the L.A. Times that revealed that this strain is a bit of an unknown and the dogmatic assertions are a bit presumptuous. Perhaps that reproduction number, as explained in this NPR article, is a little higher than believed:
    http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2014/10/02/352983774/no-seriously-how-contagious-is-ebola

    Also, Gregory Cochran at the westhunter blog, who co-wrote "The New Germ Theory" is essential reading, the one source I would not be without. In the threads, he has even admonished the hysterical, though he is not sanguine either.

  6. The real victim of Ebola guy is whoever is paying the hospital to treat him. I don’t suspect he has health insurance or much money. So does the American taxpayer ultimately get stuck with the bill?

  7. “…the man she calls her stepfather,…

    LOL

  8. 1. People are grossly over estimating the threat of ebola. It is only communicable by body fluids or direct contact with the infected individual, it is NOT airborne. The only research article that has even suggested that ebola could realistically mutate to be airborne later had that portion of it redacted. No virus transmitted by body fluids has ever been reported to have mutated to be airborne.

    2. No one has been infected by ebola from Duncan. Even his family has been cleared by the FDC, you don’t need to treat them like plague victims or say that hundreds of people are at risk because of him.

    3. Duncan never lied about having ebola. When he started getting sick he went to a hospital and told the nurse that he had just come from West Africa. He was told he had a low grade virus (a head cold). He had no reason to doubt that diagnosis until the more severe symptoms showed up several days later.

    4. It doesn’t matter if Duncan a citizen or not or on an expired visa or not. If someone in the US falls sick the local hospitals are bound by duty to get him to a stable condition, without asking about payment. Even more so if they have a severe condition that can be spread. Every other civilized country would do the same, in other words if YOU have a major medical episode in a foreign country (say the UK or Germany) they will treat you first and ask questions about the payment later, rather than leaving you to die in the streets. If they didn’t, I’m sure that you would demand that they treat you even if your insurance didn’t work in said country and you could never afford the treatment. If their visas are expired then deport them, but not until after Duncan is treated.

    • Replies: @Chris
    @Ted

    1. Some scientists think this one might be communicable in tightly enclosed spaces. Plus, this latest outbreak has lasted longer and been more deadly than outbreak before. Also, viruses like to mutate. So no, people aren't panicking. They just want the CDC, et. al. to be a lot more cautious and far less cavalier about this. The number duty of any health official is to limit exposure of the disease to other people. In other words, we should block travel from the infected nations.

    2. They haven't been cleared. They just aren't showing symptoms. Let us know in 21 days how they are. If they are fine, good. They should have been immediately shipped to quarantine.

    3. He lied about being in contact with people who had the disease to get into the country.

    4. Personally, I think if you lie about your contact to get into the country, that is a capital offense. You are risking the lives of others. People recognize what will happen if Duncan just gets a pass. It will be a flood of possibly infected people looking for treatment.

    , @Udolpho
    @Ted

    You seem implausibly dumb at this late stage. A nursing assistant got Ebola despite wearing a hazmat suit. You have confused "body fluids" with "not contagious", probably because you've heard of AIDS and that's the extent of your medical knowledge. Why even bother educating you? The facts that have been reported on (in the media no less) make you look like a fool.

    , @anon
    @Ted


    1. People are grossly over estimating the threat of ebola. It is only communicable by body fluids or direct contact with the infected individual, it is NOT airborne.
     
    Whoa, slow down. There is suggestive evidence that it can also be transmitted via aerosolization.
    , @Big Bill
    @Ted


    1. People are grossly over estimating the threat of ebola. It is only communicable by body fluids or direct contact with the infected individual, it is NOT airborne.
     
    Ebola-Reston is airborne. The CDC changed their recommendations on handling Ebola to include the risk due to "airborne" infection. Also "contact" (as the CDC has stretched its meaning) means getting anywhere within a couple yards of an Ebola disease vector like Duncan.

    3. Duncan never lied about having Ebola. When he started getting sick he went to a hospital and told the nurse that he had just come from West Africa.
     
    Nice spin! He may not have been asked whether he "had Ebola", but he was asked whether he had been in contact with Ebola victims and he lied, both in Liberia (to get on the plane) AND to the doctors in Dallas. He hand carried a convulsing, vomit and blood-spewing woman to/from a Liberian hospital just few days before he suddenly decided to quit his job with no warning and travel to America to live with his babymama in Dallas. I do like your lefty spin: "Damn incompetent white people! If ONLY they had asked him the right question this would NEVER have been a problem!"

    4. It doesn’t matter if Duncan a citizen or not or on an expired visa or not. If someone in the US falls sick the local hospitals are bound by duty to get him to a stable condition, without asking about payment.
     
    Actually, hospitals are obligated to take care of him for the rest of his life, if necessary. If his country of origin or his family refuse to take him back or say they cannot (or will not) take care of him, then we are stuck with him forever. It happens all the time with Mexicans who get paralyzed, or need dialysis because they are porkers, or "need" expensive white people drugs. In this particular case, because Obama announced that no Liberians will be sent back home, we are stuck with him forever. Free medicine, free hospitalization, free welfare, free housing, free education for his sprogs, etc.

    A nice effort, Ted, but too many facts have come out recently. You need to change your rationale, or at least frequent websites where the dumber sort congregate. They might fall for it.
    , @Hard Line Realist
    @Ted


    1. People are grossly over estimating the threat of ebola. It is only communicable by body fluids or direct contact with the infected individual, it is NOT airborne.
     
    Currently, the infection rate is running at something like I(t) = e^(0.034t) where t is the number of days since the first reported infection, and I have allowed for some under reporting. (Actually, a lot of under reporting, like around 70%. If you don't like it, scale the coefficient back to 0.0310.)

    So, how will things look in another 300 days? I am sure you can do the math.
  9. These people are industrial grade dumb except when it comes to working the (welfare) system and worming their way in here via a visa and never going home. Why are we even issuing visas to Liberians? They are infamous for visa over staying, meaning becoming illegal aliens

  10. Why aren’t the most likely candidates for being infected in a quarantine facility? Does it make sense to leave them at home with daily monitoring and then if they are infected, rushing them to the hospital? Nigeria has done a better job than us.

  11. They can cry me a river.

  12. – A reply to open-borders types and liberals who want to let all Ebola Guys in:
    (Steve: this approach has gotten the term anti-white record media appearances, and now the feds are creating a department called “truthy”, dedicated solely to fighting internet memes. Why now?)

    Asia for the Asians, Africa for the Africans, White countries for Everybody?

    In Africa, there are no “anti-racists” telling Africans they have no right to patrol their borders and kick out illegal immigrants.
    In Asia, there are no “anti-racists” telling Asians they need to “embrace diversity” and “end racism” by importing and assimilating with hundreds of millions of non-Asians.

    But ANYWHERE that white people live and ONLY where white people live have this “racism” problem that needs to be solved with mass immigration and assimilation. By “racism” problem, it is meant “White” problem.


    Anti-racist is code for anti-white.

  13. I guess reading a book is out of the question?

    • Replies: @donut
    @Curle

    Good one

  14. @Ted
    1. People are grossly over estimating the threat of ebola. It is only communicable by body fluids or direct contact with the infected individual, it is NOT airborne. The only research article that has even suggested that ebola could realistically mutate to be airborne later had that portion of it redacted. No virus transmitted by body fluids has ever been reported to have mutated to be airborne.

    2. No one has been infected by ebola from Duncan. Even his family has been cleared by the FDC, you don't need to treat them like plague victims or say that hundreds of people are at risk because of him.

    3. Duncan never lied about having ebola. When he started getting sick he went to a hospital and told the nurse that he had just come from West Africa. He was told he had a low grade virus (a head cold). He had no reason to doubt that diagnosis until the more severe symptoms showed up several days later.

    4. It doesn't matter if Duncan a citizen or not or on an expired visa or not. If someone in the US falls sick the local hospitals are bound by duty to get him to a stable condition, without asking about payment. Even more so if they have a severe condition that can be spread. Every other civilized country would do the same, in other words if YOU have a major medical episode in a foreign country (say the UK or Germany) they will treat you first and ask questions about the payment later, rather than leaving you to die in the streets. If they didn't, I'm sure that you would demand that they treat you even if your insurance didn't work in said country and you could never afford the treatment. If their visas are expired then deport them, but not until after Duncan is treated.

    Replies: @Chris, @Udolpho, @anon, @Big Bill, @Hard Line Realist

    1. Some scientists think this one might be communicable in tightly enclosed spaces. Plus, this latest outbreak has lasted longer and been more deadly than outbreak before. Also, viruses like to mutate. So no, people aren’t panicking. They just want the CDC, et. al. to be a lot more cautious and far less cavalier about this. The number duty of any health official is to limit exposure of the disease to other people. In other words, we should block travel from the infected nations.

    2. They haven’t been cleared. They just aren’t showing symptoms. Let us know in 21 days how they are. If they are fine, good. They should have been immediately shipped to quarantine.

    3. He lied about being in contact with people who had the disease to get into the country.

    4. Personally, I think if you lie about your contact to get into the country, that is a capital offense. You are risking the lives of others. People recognize what will happen if Duncan just gets a pass. It will be a flood of possibly infected people looking for treatment.

  15. Yes, but what pieces like this lack in headline appeal (ie who would bother to read that shit?) and content they make up for with fine writing:

    …fear has raced across the Liberian community here.

    It just doesn’t get any better and more earnest than that — it is the finest high school writing that Jeff Bezos’ money can buy. Apparently.

    As for fear, racing or otherwise, I’m not worried about anything now. I mean, I was briefly concerned that the US might do something dumb like block travel from Ebola-affected nations. But that wouldn’t be helpful or accomplish anything — I know because the head of the CDC said so. Everything’s cool.

  16. If someone in the US falls sick the local hospitals are bound by duty to get him to a stable condition, without asking about payment.

    No problemo, just hold them in debtors prison until someone coughs up the money.

  17. @vinteuil
    Anybody here who hasn't yet fully appreciated the realities of life in Liberia has just got to watch this:

    http://www.vice.com/the-vice-guide-to-travel/the-vice-guide-to-liberia-full-length/

    Replies: @Ed, @Dahlia

    I watched these videos before the out break. The Civil War one with the cannibal soldiers is one of the most watch Vice videos ever. Liberia is a wretched country even by African standards. Wasn’t always that ways it was somewhat decent after WW2.

    In 1980 the proverbial Natives got restless and the Africans got rid of the Americo-Liberians. Can’t say I blame them the Americos ran the country like well slave owners. They were very contempuous of the Africans.

    The Africans that came in power 1980 led by a 28 year old soldier , Samuel Doe, who was probably illiterate. He eventually would be removed from power by rebel soldiers about 10 years after the coup. He was captured and his body mutilated his ears cut off, with a general sipping a beer barking that his ear be brought to him. It’s assumed the general ate his ear.

    Some good books to read to get some flavor on Liberia are The House at Sugar Beach: In Search of a Lost African Childhood and

    Another America: The Story of Liberia and the Former Slaves Who Ruled It

  18. I wonder what ebola isolation does to the crime rate? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4kBcm-ls8Y

  19. “The supreme function of statesmanship is to provide against preventable evils.”

    The man who said that was a horrible, racist xenophobe and we certainly wouldn’t want to act on any principles he may have espoused.

  20. @Ted
    1. People are grossly over estimating the threat of ebola. It is only communicable by body fluids or direct contact with the infected individual, it is NOT airborne. The only research article that has even suggested that ebola could realistically mutate to be airborne later had that portion of it redacted. No virus transmitted by body fluids has ever been reported to have mutated to be airborne.

    2. No one has been infected by ebola from Duncan. Even his family has been cleared by the FDC, you don't need to treat them like plague victims or say that hundreds of people are at risk because of him.

    3. Duncan never lied about having ebola. When he started getting sick he went to a hospital and told the nurse that he had just come from West Africa. He was told he had a low grade virus (a head cold). He had no reason to doubt that diagnosis until the more severe symptoms showed up several days later.

    4. It doesn't matter if Duncan a citizen or not or on an expired visa or not. If someone in the US falls sick the local hospitals are bound by duty to get him to a stable condition, without asking about payment. Even more so if they have a severe condition that can be spread. Every other civilized country would do the same, in other words if YOU have a major medical episode in a foreign country (say the UK or Germany) they will treat you first and ask questions about the payment later, rather than leaving you to die in the streets. If they didn't, I'm sure that you would demand that they treat you even if your insurance didn't work in said country and you could never afford the treatment. If their visas are expired then deport them, but not until after Duncan is treated.

    Replies: @Chris, @Udolpho, @anon, @Big Bill, @Hard Line Realist

    You seem implausibly dumb at this late stage. A nursing assistant got Ebola despite wearing a hazmat suit. You have confused “body fluids” with “not contagious”, probably because you’ve heard of AIDS and that’s the extent of your medical knowledge. Why even bother educating you? The facts that have been reported on (in the media no less) make you look like a fool.

  21. Dahlia says:
    @vinteuil
    Anybody here who hasn't yet fully appreciated the realities of life in Liberia has just got to watch this:

    http://www.vice.com/the-vice-guide-to-travel/the-vice-guide-to-liberia-full-length/

    Replies: @Ed, @Dahlia

    Thanks for the reminder (and the rejoinder to my musing the other day on Indian slums vs. West Africa… forgot how horrible their slums were!) Vice can do some really great work, this and their Isis embedding, but it took them forever to write about Rotherham, and when they finally did, it was about how the right wing might exploit it.

    Ted,
    I’ve been following it very closely even though I’ve said here I’m not too worried about this outbreak. I’ve found that the more elite newspapers, the Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, etc. are very good sources.
    Anything less do not bother with: there are elections just around the corner and these hacks, professionals as well as freelancers who pollute blogs with long diatribes, aren’t concerned with providing you and yours the best information and fullest picture, but getting their team, guy, whatever, elected.

    It was the L.A. Times that revealed that this strain is a bit of an unknown and the dogmatic assertions are a bit presumptuous. Perhaps that reproduction number, as explained in this NPR article, is a little higher than believed:
    http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2014/10/02/352983774/no-seriously-how-contagious-is-ebola

    Also, Gregory Cochran at the westhunter blog, who co-wrote “The New Germ Theory” is essential reading, the one source I would not be without. In the threads, he has even admonished the hysterical, though he is not sanguine either.

  22. …fear has raced across the Liberian community here.

    Who gives a shit? What about the American community? You really, really have to hate Americans to write something like this.

    You know who’s quarantined? My daughter. Ebolaman’s family lives in a little pocket of poverty in the midst of affluent neighborhoods, and my wife thought my daughter’s daycare center was too close to the action. So she’s gone to her grandparents’ for who knows how long.

    • Replies: @eah
    @ben tillman

    Ebolaman’s family lives in a little pocket of poverty...

    You left out the part about it being "vibrant" -- it may be poor and crime-ridden, but it is also "vibrant".

    Please make a note of it.

  23. @Ted
    1. People are grossly over estimating the threat of ebola. It is only communicable by body fluids or direct contact with the infected individual, it is NOT airborne. The only research article that has even suggested that ebola could realistically mutate to be airborne later had that portion of it redacted. No virus transmitted by body fluids has ever been reported to have mutated to be airborne.

    2. No one has been infected by ebola from Duncan. Even his family has been cleared by the FDC, you don't need to treat them like plague victims or say that hundreds of people are at risk because of him.

    3. Duncan never lied about having ebola. When he started getting sick he went to a hospital and told the nurse that he had just come from West Africa. He was told he had a low grade virus (a head cold). He had no reason to doubt that diagnosis until the more severe symptoms showed up several days later.

    4. It doesn't matter if Duncan a citizen or not or on an expired visa or not. If someone in the US falls sick the local hospitals are bound by duty to get him to a stable condition, without asking about payment. Even more so if they have a severe condition that can be spread. Every other civilized country would do the same, in other words if YOU have a major medical episode in a foreign country (say the UK or Germany) they will treat you first and ask questions about the payment later, rather than leaving you to die in the streets. If they didn't, I'm sure that you would demand that they treat you even if your insurance didn't work in said country and you could never afford the treatment. If their visas are expired then deport them, but not until after Duncan is treated.

    Replies: @Chris, @Udolpho, @anon, @Big Bill, @Hard Line Realist

    1. People are grossly over estimating the threat of ebola. It is only communicable by body fluids or direct contact with the infected individual, it is NOT airborne.

    Whoa, slow down. There is suggestive evidence that it can also be transmitted via aerosolization.

  24. “…fear has raced across the Liberian community here”

    But not enough fear to actually want to leave this country. Fear smear spare me the crocodile tears, they are not scared of shit. They are just playing the Black victim card as usual because they know there are millions of gullible Whites in this country who will believe anything they say.

  25. In his _Inside Africa_ (1953), John Gunther relates how the only place in Liberia with decent roads, medical care, and general having-its-act-together was the Firestone Tire Company’s vast and semi-autonomous rubber plantation. Yesterday NPR did a piece about the only place in Liberia that has avoided Ebola (and in fact to which Ebola-stricken Liberians from outside are entering in search of care): the Firestone rubber plantation, again. Surprise, surprise.

  26. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I’ve just read some of the terrible predictions concerning the exponential growth of Ebola prevalence in west Africa – and they are truly horrifying. A million by January 2015, and untold millions in the months after that. As all good iStevers know, exponential growth gives startling results, and startling results very rapidly. The extrapolations I read were made by competent, serious researchers using good stastical analysis. The danger is that Ebola might well become endemic in west Africa and will become a permanent feature of life there.
    Anyhow, the upshot is that this dire situation calls out for, nay screams for, an immediate flight ban to and from west Africa. And it’s not as if this region has got any vital strategic or economic interest. My suspicion is that the familiar totem pole and good ol’ PC is intimidating authorities from doing this. Shades of Rotherham, UK.
    The political class would rather see a 21st century black death, pun intended, with 70% mortality wreak havoc across Europe and north America. And I’m not joking. That’s exactly the way those bastards think.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    "The danger is that Ebola might well become endemic in west Africa"

    It is, for some value of endemic. There's an animal reservoir, probably in fruit bats but perhaps not limited to them. That is, one or more animals carry the virus and transmit it but do not die or become immobilized by it.

    btw, dogs can catch Ebola. They do not get sick, but the virus does multiply for a time within them. It is shed in the same sort of fluids is in humans, the difference being that the virus eventually clears from the dog. The dog shows no obvious symptoms.

    No big deal, really. With our advanced health and sanitation practices, dog would never come into contact with, say, vomit from a person in acute Ebola viremia.
    Enough of the Eurocentric disease phobia!

    Of course we must not treat this outbreak with indifference. The media, government and academic Correct Thinkers could bless the outbreak areas in Africa with their enlightened presence, and us with their absence. Let them mingle in the affected areas to understand local customs; no Westernized hotels, ex-pat ghettoes or obnoxious masks and bio-suits, because as they've told us it's not really easy to catch Ebola.

    The question is how to bring that about.

  27. I was freaked out by that video of Ebola Guy’s vomit being power-washed out into the street. Here in Hong Kong one of major reasons SARS spread as far as it did is the virus was aerosolized in Amoy Gardens housing estate via sewage/toilet water dispersed by leaking, flushing and exhaust fans.

    I cannot imagine what was going through the minds of those power-washer guys, or whoever sent them out there. Spraying that vomit all over the place was stupid on a scale beyond my ability to reckon . . . .

    Actually, are those workers quarantined? Surely they must be, right? Right?

  28. I doubt we’ll see too many deaths when all this is over. However, it is telling how cases like this really bring out the stupid in people.

  29. @ben tillman

    …fear has raced across the Liberian community here.
     
    Who gives a shit? What about the American community? You really, really have to hate Americans to write something like this.

    You know who's quarantined? My daughter. Ebolaman's family lives in a little pocket of poverty in the midst of affluent neighborhoods, and my wife thought my daughter's daycare center was too close to the action. So she's gone to her grandparents' for who knows how long.

    Replies: @eah

    Ebolaman’s family lives in a little pocket of poverty…

    You left out the part about it being “vibrant” — it may be poor and crime-ridden, but it is also “vibrant”.

    Please make a note of it.

  30. Why don’t we just shut off all flights to and from West Africa?

    Yes, I know, that would be racist. If this were in Japan it would have happened already.

    • Replies: @AnAnon
    @SFG

    "Yes, I know, that would be racist. " - common sense is a slippery slope, they can't really afford to let even one piece slip past.

    ebolaguy is now dead apparently.

  31. @anonymous
    Jesse Jackson is on his way.

    Replies: @donut

    I doubt it , he don’t want no f**kin’ eboola.

  32. @Curle
    I guess reading a book is out of the question?

    Replies: @donut

    Good one

  33. “There are no plans to introduce Ebola screening for those arriving in the UK, Public Health England (PHE) has said.”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29518342

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    30 hours later, they've changed their minds and will institute a rigorous screening regime.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29559444


    "People arriving in the UK from areas hit by Ebola face "enhanced screening" for the virus at Heathrow, Gatwick and Eurostar terminals.

    Downing Street said passengers would be asked questions and potentially given a medical assessment."
     
    "Have you just come from Liberia or Sierra Leone, and do you feel unwell ?"

    "No"

    "OK, you're through"

    "Thank you, sir. Taxi ! Tell me, do you know where is Hillingdon Hospital?"
  34. I agree with others who say that the panic is way overblown. But the Obama administration’s reputation is such that many are just automatically assuming that they must be lying about something. And a lot of people are fully aware of their “open borders and multiculturalism at all cost” mentality.

    • Replies: @eah
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    panic

    I do not see or sense much "panic". What I do see and sense is real concern, which is fully warranted. Not only because 1) the guy has now died despite getting first world medical care (as did two Spanish priests), 2) the government's outrageous carelessness and foolishness, eg refusing to ban flights/passengers from Ebola-affected nations, and 3) their obvious incompetence.

  35. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    I've just read some of the terrible predictions concerning the exponential growth of Ebola prevalence in west Africa - and they are truly horrifying. A million by January 2015, and untold millions in the months after that. As all good iStevers know, exponential growth gives startling results, and startling results very rapidly. The extrapolations I read were made by competent, serious researchers using good stastical analysis. The danger is that Ebola might well become endemic in west Africa and will become a permanent feature of life there.
    Anyhow, the upshot is that this dire situation calls out for, nay screams for, an immediate flight ban to and from west Africa. And it's not as if this region has got any vital strategic or economic interest. My suspicion is that the familiar totem pole and good ol' PC is intimidating authorities from doing this. Shades of Rotherham, UK.
    The political class would rather see a 21st century black death, pun intended, with 70% mortality wreak havoc across Europe and north America. And I'm not joking. That's exactly the way those bastards think.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    “The danger is that Ebola might well become endemic in west Africa”

    It is, for some value of endemic. There’s an animal reservoir, probably in fruit bats but perhaps not limited to them. That is, one or more animals carry the virus and transmit it but do not die or become immobilized by it.

    btw, dogs can catch Ebola. They do not get sick, but the virus does multiply for a time within them. It is shed in the same sort of fluids is in humans, the difference being that the virus eventually clears from the dog. The dog shows no obvious symptoms.

    No big deal, really. With our advanced health and sanitation practices, dog would never come into contact with, say, vomit from a person in acute Ebola viremia.
    Enough of the Eurocentric disease phobia!

    Of course we must not treat this outbreak with indifference. The media, government and academic Correct Thinkers could bless the outbreak areas in Africa with their enlightened presence, and us with their absence. Let them mingle in the affected areas to understand local customs; no Westernized hotels, ex-pat ghettoes or obnoxious masks and bio-suits, because as they’ve told us it’s not really easy to catch Ebola.

    The question is how to bring that about.

  36. Funny … someone on the board marks mild sarcasm as spam, as I see my previous comment was flagged.

    I s’pose criticizing the government or the Official Story is too much for some delicate sensibilites.

  37. I’m not seeing any indication in this story of what these people do with their Saturday nights. So, what’s the point of the headline?

  38. Enough with this Enola Gay stuff. The war’s been over going on sixty years now. Let sleeping hogs die, for Peak’s sake.

  39. “Ted says:

    1. People are grossly over estimating the threat of ebola. It is only communicable by body fluids or direct contact with the infected individual, it is NOT airborne.”

    And ond of those bodily fluids, according to the CDC, is sweat. Sweat, exuded from the skin. How does one avoid coming into contact with that? A sweaty palm on a doorknob, the back of a chair, etc., may leave virus particles that coild reside on that surface for hours, potentially. And virtually any virus can be airborne, if a victim coughs up droplets with virus particles in them. There is nothing magic about the notion of an “airborne” virus.

    “:2. No one has been infected by ebola from Duncan. Even his family has been cleared by the FDC, you don’t need to treat them like plague victims or say that hundreds of people are at risk because of him.”

    Wrong. They have not been “cleared”. It would take days for any symptoms to become apparent, hence their isolation (however permeable that may prove to be).

    “3. Duncan never lied about having ebola. When he started getting sick he went to a hospital and told the nurse that he had just come from West Africa. He was told he had a low grade virus (a head cold). He had no reason to doubt that diagnosis until the more severe symptoms showed up several days later.”

    He lied about having contact with Ebola victims, and he purposefully came here because he suspected that he had indeed been infected.

    “4. It doesn’t matter if Duncan a citizen or not or on an expired visa or not. If someone in the US falls sick the local hospitals are bound by duty to get him to a stable condition, without asking about payment.”

    So far, the most likely stable condition for Ebola patients is……….dead. And it certainly does matter if he is a citizen or not. Why should our hospitals spend our money and risk their own medical staff treating the victims of a foreign plague?

    You always live up to expectations, Ted. We expect you to be an idiot – and you always deliver.

  40. @SFG
    Why don't we just shut off all flights to and from West Africa?

    Yes, I know, that would be racist. If this were in Japan it would have happened already.

    Replies: @AnAnon

    “Yes, I know, that would be racist. ” – common sense is a slippery slope, they can’t really afford to let even one piece slip past.

    ebolaguy is now dead apparently.

  41. I wanted them to stop all flights from West Africa before ebola fwiw….

  42. Ebola-man has died. Includes a pic of the, apparently, pre-ebola Eboal-man…

    NYT, 10/08/14 – First Ebola Patient to Be Discovered in U.S. Dies

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/09/us/ebola-us-thomas-eric-duncan.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=LedeSum&module=a-lede-package-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

    Thomas Eric Duncan, 42, the patient with the first case of Ebola diagnosed in the United States and the Liberian man at the center of a widening public health scare, died in isolation at a hospital here on Wednesday, hospital authorities said. Mr. Duncan died at 7:51 a.m. at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital, more than a week after the virus was detected in him on Sept. 30…

    After he arrived at the Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport on Sept. 20, Mr. Duncan set off a chain of events that raised questions about health officials’ preparedness to detect and contain the deadly virus. His case spread fear and anxiety among those he encountered, however briefly, and turned the places, vehicles and items he touched into biohazardous sites that were decontaminated, dismantled, stored or, in some cases, incinerated.

    Mr. Duncan went to the airport in Liberia on Sept. 19 for his flight to the United States, landed in Dallas the next day and first went to the emergency room at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital feeling ill on Sept. 25. He was released by the hospital, which had failed to view him as a potential Ebola case for reasons that remain unclear. He returned there and was admitted Sept. 28 after his condition worsened.

    Mr. Duncan spent nearly two decades separated from the woman he had traveled to Dallas to be with, Louise Troh, 54, with whom he had a son. The couple were apparently rekindling their relationship. Yet in the last days of Mr. Duncan’s life, Mr. Duncan and Ms. Troh remained more apart than together. Each had been quarantined because of the risk of spreading Ebola, Mr. Duncan in virtually his own hospital ward and Ms. Troh in a four-bedroom home on a remote property that state health officials prohibited her, her 13-year-old son and two others from leaving, under threat of prosecution.

    Mr. Duncan had been a driver at a cargo company in Monrovia, the Liberian capital, living alone in a small room he rented from the parents of Marthalene Williams, 19. A simple act of kindness probably exposed him to the virus that has killed more than 3,000 people in West Africa. In Monrovia, neighbors and Ms. Williams’s parents said Mr. Duncan helped the family take Ms. Williams to and from a hospital on Sept. 15, shortly before she died of Ebola. Some of the men and women who had direct contact with Ms. Williams, and who were also in contact with Mr. Duncan, have also died, including Ms. Williams’s brother, Sonny Boy Williams, 21…

    Officials are monitoring 48 people in the Dallas area, most of whom have not been quarantined but are instead staying home while they are under observation. Ten of those are considered high risk, including seven health care workers and three relatives and community members who had contact with Mr. Duncan. The other 38 are considered low risk, and include people who may or may not have had direct or indirect contact with Mr. Duncan. One of those 38 is Michael Lively, a homeless man who rode in the ambulance that took Mr. Duncan to the hospital after the vehicle dropped Mr. Duncan off but before it was taken out of service and disinfected.

    Mr. Lively briefly disappeared on Sunday before he was found by law enforcement officers, an indication of the unease being felt by some of those being monitored.

  43. @Ted
    1. People are grossly over estimating the threat of ebola. It is only communicable by body fluids or direct contact with the infected individual, it is NOT airborne. The only research article that has even suggested that ebola could realistically mutate to be airborne later had that portion of it redacted. No virus transmitted by body fluids has ever been reported to have mutated to be airborne.

    2. No one has been infected by ebola from Duncan. Even his family has been cleared by the FDC, you don't need to treat them like plague victims or say that hundreds of people are at risk because of him.

    3. Duncan never lied about having ebola. When he started getting sick he went to a hospital and told the nurse that he had just come from West Africa. He was told he had a low grade virus (a head cold). He had no reason to doubt that diagnosis until the more severe symptoms showed up several days later.

    4. It doesn't matter if Duncan a citizen or not or on an expired visa or not. If someone in the US falls sick the local hospitals are bound by duty to get him to a stable condition, without asking about payment. Even more so if they have a severe condition that can be spread. Every other civilized country would do the same, in other words if YOU have a major medical episode in a foreign country (say the UK or Germany) they will treat you first and ask questions about the payment later, rather than leaving you to die in the streets. If they didn't, I'm sure that you would demand that they treat you even if your insurance didn't work in said country and you could never afford the treatment. If their visas are expired then deport them, but not until after Duncan is treated.

    Replies: @Chris, @Udolpho, @anon, @Big Bill, @Hard Line Realist

    1. People are grossly over estimating the threat of ebola. It is only communicable by body fluids or direct contact with the infected individual, it is NOT airborne.

    Ebola-Reston is airborne. The CDC changed their recommendations on handling Ebola to include the risk due to “airborne” infection. Also “contact” (as the CDC has stretched its meaning) means getting anywhere within a couple yards of an Ebola disease vector like Duncan.

    3. Duncan never lied about having Ebola. When he started getting sick he went to a hospital and told the nurse that he had just come from West Africa.

    Nice spin! He may not have been asked whether he “had Ebola”, but he was asked whether he had been in contact with Ebola victims and he lied, both in Liberia (to get on the plane) AND to the doctors in Dallas. He hand carried a convulsing, vomit and blood-spewing woman to/from a Liberian hospital just few days before he suddenly decided to quit his job with no warning and travel to America to live with his babymama in Dallas. I do like your lefty spin: “Damn incompetent white people! If ONLY they had asked him the right question this would NEVER have been a problem!”

    4. It doesn’t matter if Duncan a citizen or not or on an expired visa or not. If someone in the US falls sick the local hospitals are bound by duty to get him to a stable condition, without asking about payment.

    Actually, hospitals are obligated to take care of him for the rest of his life, if necessary. If his country of origin or his family refuse to take him back or say they cannot (or will not) take care of him, then we are stuck with him forever. It happens all the time with Mexicans who get paralyzed, or need dialysis because they are porkers, or “need” expensive white people drugs. In this particular case, because Obama announced that no Liberians will be sent back home, we are stuck with him forever. Free medicine, free hospitalization, free welfare, free housing, free education for his sprogs, etc.

    A nice effort, Ted, but too many facts have come out recently. You need to change your rationale, or at least frequent websites where the dumber sort congregate. They might fall for it.

  44. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    While the UK will continue to allow West Africans into the UK without screening, they’re sending 750 soldiers out there to help with medical care (or to contract Ebola).

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29542129

    In other news, bigoted and hysterical English parents didn’t want a nine-year-old visiting from Sierra Leone in class with their kids.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-29535905

  45. “A simple act of kindness probably exposed him to the virus that has killed more than 3,000 people in West Africa. ”

    Was it another act of kindness to potentially expose millions in America to that same virus by lying his way to Dallas? According to the NYT we should mourn for Ebolaman.

    http://tinyurl.com/nmo4dpb

  46. Titus, your schtick doesn’t cut it on Vox Day, and it certainly isn’t cutting it here.

    “Asia for the Asians, Africa for the Africans, White countries for Everybody?”

    White countries for everybody, indeed. Whites have the liberty of choosing to let in or keep out non-whites. In America, our history is intertwined with immigrants compared to any other country in the world.

    “But ANYWHERE that white people live and ONLY where white people live have this “racism” problem that needs to be solved with mass immigration and assimilation. By “racism” problem, it is meant “White” problem.”

    Pro-race is code for anti-humanity.

  47. @Hapalong Cassidy
    I agree with others who say that the panic is way overblown. But the Obama administration's reputation is such that many are just automatically assuming that they must be lying about something. And a lot of people are fully aware of their "open borders and multiculturalism at all cost" mentality.

    Replies: @eah

    panic

    I do not see or sense much “panic”. What I do see and sense is real concern, which is fully warranted. Not only because 1) the guy has now died despite getting first world medical care (as did two Spanish priests), 2) the government’s outrageous carelessness and foolishness, eg refusing to ban flights/passengers from Ebola-affected nations, and 3) their obvious incompetence.

  48. @Ted
    1. People are grossly over estimating the threat of ebola. It is only communicable by body fluids or direct contact with the infected individual, it is NOT airborne. The only research article that has even suggested that ebola could realistically mutate to be airborne later had that portion of it redacted. No virus transmitted by body fluids has ever been reported to have mutated to be airborne.

    2. No one has been infected by ebola from Duncan. Even his family has been cleared by the FDC, you don't need to treat them like plague victims or say that hundreds of people are at risk because of him.

    3. Duncan never lied about having ebola. When he started getting sick he went to a hospital and told the nurse that he had just come from West Africa. He was told he had a low grade virus (a head cold). He had no reason to doubt that diagnosis until the more severe symptoms showed up several days later.

    4. It doesn't matter if Duncan a citizen or not or on an expired visa or not. If someone in the US falls sick the local hospitals are bound by duty to get him to a stable condition, without asking about payment. Even more so if they have a severe condition that can be spread. Every other civilized country would do the same, in other words if YOU have a major medical episode in a foreign country (say the UK or Germany) they will treat you first and ask questions about the payment later, rather than leaving you to die in the streets. If they didn't, I'm sure that you would demand that they treat you even if your insurance didn't work in said country and you could never afford the treatment. If their visas are expired then deport them, but not until after Duncan is treated.

    Replies: @Chris, @Udolpho, @anon, @Big Bill, @Hard Line Realist

    1. People are grossly over estimating the threat of ebola. It is only communicable by body fluids or direct contact with the infected individual, it is NOT airborne.

    Currently, the infection rate is running at something like I(t) = e^(0.034t) where t is the number of days since the first reported infection, and I have allowed for some under reporting. (Actually, a lot of under reporting, like around 70%. If you don’t like it, scale the coefficient back to 0.0310.)

    So, how will things look in another 300 days? I am sure you can do the math.

  49. Now that Ebola Man Thomas Duncan has died, the big question is how long before his grieving relatives file a giant lawsuit against the Dallas hospital for initially turning him away at the emergency room and how many millions will they receive in the settlement?

    America–once a country, now a game show.

  50. #31- @Donut.
    For real man. He’s gone to Texas and met with the Ebola guy’s family. Check it out.

  51. “:2. No one has been infected by ebola from Duncan. Even his family has been cleared by the FDC, you don’t need to treat them like plague victims or say that hundreds of people are at risk because of him.”

    Wrong. They have not been “cleared”.

    In fact, there now seems to be a second case: a Dallas County sheriff’s deputy who had contact with Duncan or his people.

  52. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    "There are no plans to introduce Ebola screening for those arriving in the UK, Public Health England (PHE) has said."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29518342

    Replies: @Anonymous

    30 hours later, they’ve changed their minds and will institute a rigorous screening regime.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29559444

    “People arriving in the UK from areas hit by Ebola face “enhanced screening” for the virus at Heathrow, Gatwick and Eurostar terminals.

    Downing Street said passengers would be asked questions and potentially given a medical assessment.”

    “Have you just come from Liberia or Sierra Leone, and do you feel unwell ?”

    “No”

    “OK, you’re through”

    “Thank you, sir. Taxi ! Tell me, do you know where is Hillingdon Hospital?”

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