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From the Washington Post opinion page:

The ‘Karen’ memes and jokes aren’t sexist or racist. Let a Karen explain.

By Karen Attiah
APRIL 28, 2020

My name is Karen. I would like to register a complaint.

My name has been everywhere on the Internet in recent weeks, with #Karen trending on Twitter, flooding TikTok and becoming the subject of social media memes. #AndThenKarenSnapped also became a viral trend, describing white women losing their tempers. In the past several years, “Karen” has come to represent a certain archetype of middle-aged white female privilege — or the new n-word, depending on who you ask. Yup, “Karen” is the new black.

A young Karen likely would have been the class snitch, tattling on her classmates to the teacher to get them in trouble. Middle-aged Karen is the one asking to see your manager. And a Karen at the peak of her powers will call the police on someone for a mild inconvenience.

The most recent Karen fires came from across the Atlantic, fanned by white British women claiming that “Karen” is — wait for it — an oppressive slur. “Does anyone else think the ‘Karen’ slur is woman-hating and based on class prejudice?” tweeted Julie Bindel, a British feminist writer, whose credentials in oppression include being known for espousing anti-trans rhetoric. Nonetheless, the conversation around

Prepositions shift periodically: lately everything is “around” something.

Bindel’s tweet included white women who did feel Karen memes were offensive. Hadley Freeman wrote in the Guardian that the Karen memes were sexist. Another viral tweet went so far as to call “Karen” the equivalent of the n-word.

As a millennial black Karen, and a child of immigrants, I

have more Intersectional Pokemon Points than you do

find the brouhaha hilarious and twisted. “Karen” is not and will never be an oppressive slur.

It’s a racist slur on white women, so that’s not oppressive, that’s good.

Anyone who disagrees can take it up with my manag … — I mean, with history.

These days, history is constantly invoked to explain why the pundit deserves to be privileged.

In her piece for the Guardian, Freeman’s basis for labeling the Karen meme sexist was that white men are using the word to make fun of white women. But Freeman seems to believe “Karen” originated with white men, when these notions about the name and white privilege have been circulating in the black community for a long time. …

Freeman largely ignores race in her piece, save for one throwaway line: “People of color should describe their experiences of racism in whatever language works for them.”

Well, many of us decided that Karen, or, say, Becky, works for us. Black American expression, including hip-hop, rap and remix culture, drives global social media culture and shapes language. Take Becky, for example: It was rapper Sir Mix-a-Lot’s 1992 song “Baby Got Back,” in which a white girl, disgusted by the shape of a black woman’s body, talks behind the black woman’s back to her friend Becky. Over the years, and partially thanks to Beyoncé, “Becky” was popularized in the black community to refer to a white girl, especially one with backstabbing tendencies.

… In America, white women are often believed and protected at all costs, even at the expense of black lives. In 1955, it was a white woman who falsely accused 14-year-old Emmett Till of whistling at her in Mississippi, which led to him being brutally beaten and killed.

Really? That happened merely 65 years ago? Why have I never been informed about this Emmett Till person?

Fast-forward to recent years and we still learn about black people being arrested or assaulted because a white woman called the police unnecessarily. Becky and Karen memes and jokes should be understood in this context, part of a long tradition to use humor to try to cope with the realities of white privilege and anti-blackness.

Dehumanizing slurs don’t gain their cruel power overnight. They are part and parcel of generations of violence, erasure and discrimination. Calling the Karen meme the new n-word or asserting that it is a sexist slur only trivializes actual violence and discrimination that destroy lives and communities.

And to invent oppression when none is happening to you? Well, as a Karen, I just have to say — that is peak Karen behavior.

 
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  1. Take Becky, for example: It was rapper Sir Mix-a-Lot’s 1992 song “Baby Got Back,” in which a white girl, disgusted by the shape of a black woman’s body, talks behind the black woman’s back to her friend Becky.

    So a skit created by a black man as part of the video promotion for his song is responsible for that slur. Does the author realize that the white girl in that video was just reading lines and wasn’t *actually* disgusted by the black woman’s body?

    • Thanks: Mr McKenna
    • Replies: @vhrm

    Does the author realize that the white girl in that video was just reading lines and wasn’t *actually* disgusted by the black woman’s body?
     
    More than that she misses that it's not clear how much the characters are _actually_ disgusted and how much they're just jealous because even white boys gotta shout.
    , @Inverness
    Hmm. Black people create--out of thin air--white people being racist, and it's used by other black people as examples of how racist white people are. Sure, seems legit.

    As if the 'entertainment industry' isn't already jam-packed with enough other examples of same.

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    "hip-hop, rap and remix culture"

    Remix is rip-off culture.
    , @Slimer
    People generally find blacks to be ugly, so it's fair to assume that the white girl in the video was, in fact, disgusted by the black woman's body. And by her facial features too.

    In any event the whole Karen meme started with white people and that's where it should stay, as nothing more than light hearted humor amongst themselves. Not sure why others want to inject themselves into it.

    , @Dave from Oz

    Does the author realize that the white girl in that video was just reading lines and wasn’t *actually* disgusted by the black woman’s body?
     
    Does the author recognise that that whole song was a black man expressing disgust at white women's bodies?
  2. This creates a nice excuse to mention once again that witness testimony (including black witnesses) indicates that Till sexually assaulted the white female victim. A biographer later claimed that the victim admitted that the she lied, but the evidence shows that the biographer was clearly lying. The “murdered because he was black” narrative is reductive. Till messed with the wrong married woman. It seems that the white female victim tried, and failed, to keep the truth from her highly protective husband.

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    Perhaps the ur-example of “when keeping it real goes wrong.”

    I wonder what N-Karen here would think of our humble community and all our “jokes and memes.”
    , @bomag
    Agree.

    But it is a hallmark of the Black community to make heroes out of the less-than-innocent, e.g. Michael Brown; Travon Martin; OJ; etc.

    Their army, their soldiers, and they are not going to share what they win.
    , @Hypnotoad666
    I'm afraid "The History is settled" is the new "The Science is settled." And like science, history is usually invoked by those, like this chick, who know nothing about it.
    , @kihowi
    If anybody knows a based history of Emmett Till, please let me know.

    Or a skeptical, iStevey history of basically anything.
    , @ben tillman

    The “murdered because he was black” narrative is reductive. Till messed with the wrong married woman.
     
    Indeed.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Jim, when it comes to my family I consider myself to be "highly protective." However, I've never beat anyone to death.
  3. It must be totally clear that only “minorities” deserve special protection, to avoid prejudice. Talking negatively about white “racists” is an additional method to reduce ‘prejudice’. See our site for details

    Go to our pig search (politically incorrect Google search) at http://sincerity.net/pig/ and search for Köterrasse (street dog breed)
    German courts declared that it is ok to call native Germans Köterrasse, while there is extreme sensitivity about tiny sleights against underprivileged “minority” people

    • Replies: @Pat Kittle

    It must be totally clear that only “minorities” deserve special protection, to avoid prejudice...

    ...German courts declared that it is ok to call native Germans Köterrasse, while there is extreme sensitivity about tiny sleights against underprivileged “minority” people

     

    Apparently you (SINCERITY.net) believe one "minority" does indeed deserve special protection -- you make ZERO references to Jews, Zionism, or Israel.

    Here at the Unz Review we call that "controlled opposition."
  4. anon[225] • Disclaimer says:

    Dear Karen, This is a lot of Tsunami in a tea cup. I find all this Karen and Becky just amusing nonsense. You say you are a millennial. Do you realize the nation and the world around you are changing dramatically as you write this hot air? You seem to read history; Read about WW2 and Civil War.

    A couple of headlines from yesterday for you to ponder over: https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/04/27/delays-for-unemployment-no-food-people-talking-about-suicide/

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/27/nyregion/new-york-city-doctor-suicide-coronavirus.html

  5. If it is racist, no one told Glenn Reynolds, who makes fun of Karens every day :

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/?s=karen

    Remember that Glenn’s blog is right-wing (i.e. he believes in small government, and is pro-Trump). WN, on the other hand, is a left-wing ideology since it has a left-wing economic philosophy.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    Remember that Glenn’s blog is right-wing (i.e. he believes in small government, and is pro-Trump). WN, on the other hand, is a left-wing ideology since it has a left-wing economic philosophy.
     
    White nationalism has no economic philosophy other than that whites will be the ones deciding it.
  6. After all, anti-white racism is not racism. By definition.
    Affirmative action quotas against whites are not racist nor discriminatory
    There are no equal rights, in order to compensate for 1 million years of repression and racism
    /end sarcasm, but actually true

    Also see here
    Unequal Rights #3, Black and Leftist Privilege:
    Minorities and the Left can spew murderous hate with little consequences

    Unequal Rights #2:
    Unequal rights for the races, black privilege. Media quotes show what Leftists, Blacks, Minority can do with impunity

    Unequal treatment, unequal rights :
    Black caucus, La Raza, Black Lives Matter, “no beer for racists”, affirmative action, cultural appropriation, antifa violence, and dozens of more examples of unequal rights.

    http://4racism.org/unequal-rights3.html

  7. This anti-Karen crap feels so contrived to me. The truth of the matter is that black women and White women get along fine. We don’t go to the same churches or bars or movies, but as long as you don’t steal their men, we get along fine, and even have fun together in the office and at the gym or whatever.

    Maybe they just really can’t stand condescending liberal NWLs who talk to them like they’re idiots. (Wasn’t there a study about that?) If so, I can’t say I blame them.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    This anti-Karen crap feels so contrived to me. The truth of the matter is that black women and White women get along fine. We don’t go to the same churches or bars or movies, but as long as you don’t steal their men
     
    That’s a rather big loophole, isn’t it? Black males seem to like white women.
    , @bigduke6
    Whites are notoriously deluded about how blacks feel about them.
    , @AnotherDad

    This anti-Karen crap feels so contrived to me. The truth of the matter is that black women and White women get along fine.
     
    Well at least one white woman is still on the bus, still putting their carefully nurtured feminist grievance against men first and foremost.

    (Of course you're absolutely nuts if you think your black women friends put the sisterhood first--or care about it at all.)
  8. @TheMediumIsTheMassage

    Take Becky, for example: It was rapper Sir Mix-a-Lot’s 1992 song “Baby Got Back,” in which a white girl, disgusted by the shape of a black woman’s body, talks behind the black woman’s back to her friend Becky.
     
    So a skit created by a black man as part of the video promotion for his song is responsible for that slur. Does the author realize that the white girl in that video was just reading lines and wasn't *actually* disgusted by the black woman's body?

    Does the author realize that the white girl in that video was just reading lines and wasn’t *actually* disgusted by the black woman’s body?

    More than that she misses that it’s not clear how much the characters are _actually_ disgusted and how much they’re just jealous because even white boys gotta shout.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    re Karen Attiah...

    I like
    Big
    Lies and I can not "but".....
  9. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:

    I think the rancor behind the light-hearted shorthand is proving to be offensive in and of itself, so maybe we should simply be precise, specific, and correct instead of attempting to ascribe clever names for people or behavior we don’t like.

    Examples:

    Instead of “Karen,” we would use the more precise term “angry white woman,” or instead of “Karen Attiah,” we would use the more precise term of “feckless twat.”

    • LOL: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @Forbes

    Instead of “Karen,” we would use the more precise term “Karen Attiah,”
     
    FIFY.
  10. @vhrm

    Does the author realize that the white girl in that video was just reading lines and wasn’t *actually* disgusted by the black woman’s body?
     
    More than that she misses that it's not clear how much the characters are _actually_ disgusted and how much they're just jealous because even white boys gotta shout.

    re Karen Attiah…

    I like
    Big
    Lies and I can not “but”…..

    • LOL: Muggles
  11. we still learn about black people being arrested or assaulted because a white woman called the police unnecessarily.

    People are rarely arrested or assaulted because someone called the police “unnecessarily.”

    Contacting the police to check a situation out is not the same as accusing someone of a crime. If the person whom the police are checking out reacts in a reasonable manner, and if they actually aren’t committing a crime, then probably they will be left to go about their business. If they react by going apesh*t, particularly when they are committing a crime, then the chance of being arrested or “assaulted” does increase.

    A lot of this just stems from the fact that blacks and whites tend to see issues involving acceptable behavior, rule-breaking, the criminal justice system, and so forth in very different ways.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    Which is part of why segregation was never the incredibly evil thing its been portrayed by commies.
    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    You mean as in "Hey, Becky! Why ya'll have to go and call police on Shanequa and Dontevius? Shi--they dindu nuffin'! And you just KNOW that's a bunch of bull that they's did!"

    Cue NWA's "F the Police".
    , @AnotherDad


    A lot of this just stems from the fact that blacks and whites tend to see issues involving acceptable behavior, rule-breaking, the criminal justice system, and so forth in very different ways.
     
    Excellent sentence black sea.

    This grabs at the essential incoherence and evil of minoritarianism. At root you can have *only one* set of norms for a nation.

    If minorities want to be allowed to even exist in a nation they must accept that. I.e. that their norms apply only to them and are subservient to the nation's people's norms--i.e. the public norms. Blacks used to accept this even if they chaffed against it personally routinely.

    But this basic logical reality irks the Jews, and with the rise of the Jews we've had powerful, verbally facile people working overtime to overthrow the majority's norms. And unfortunately with their low tribalism, high affective empathy and Christian universalism white gentiles were suckers for this minoritarian propaganda.

    Minoritarianism is the poison root of the mess we're in.
    , @Paleo Liberal
    There is a black state representative from Madison who is trying to make it illegal for whites to call the cops on blacks. She suggests a $250 fine for calls in which there is no arrest. The black former Madison PD Chief of Police supports her.

    This b**** plays the race card early and often.

    One time she went with her mother campaigning. They inadvertently parked in front of a drug house. A neighbor called the cops. Police records show about 2 dozen calls to the cops about that drug house.

    The guy who called the cops on her later called her to apologize. He explained he didn’t see it was two black ladies. He only saw the car.

    These days the state representative is still whining about racial profiling. She lies and says the guy who called the cops on her never apologized. He did. She lies and says the call was unwarranted. It wasn’t. She wants the white guy to pay!

    Reminds me of a time when I visited my girlfriend in an Asian neighborhood in Honolulu while her parents were out of town. He called the cops, who had their guns drawn. Scared the crap out of my girlfriend’s sister to have cops with guns looking for me. When. I came out we all had a good laugh. The ladies thanked their neighbor for looking out for them.
  12. SF says:

    There was one of those click-bait stories a couple of days ago about a little known military cemetery in France where all the American soldiers executed in World War II were interred. (Not sure I could find it again.) One of the executed was Emmett Till’s father, for murdering an Italian woman.

  13. @black sea

    we still learn about black people being arrested or assaulted because a white woman called the police unnecessarily.
     
    People are rarely arrested or assaulted because someone called the police "unnecessarily."

    Contacting the police to check a situation out is not the same as accusing someone of a crime. If the person whom the police are checking out reacts in a reasonable manner, and if they actually aren't committing a crime, then probably they will be left to go about their business. If they react by going apesh*t, particularly when they are committing a crime, then the chance of being arrested or "assaulted" does increase.

    A lot of this just stems from the fact that blacks and whites tend to see issues involving acceptable behavior, rule-breaking, the criminal justice system, and so forth in very different ways.

    Which is part of why segregation was never the incredibly evil thing its been portrayed by commies.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Which is part of why segregation was never the incredibly evil thing its been portrayed by commies.
     
    What segregation?


    The 1850 census for South Carolina shows down to the ward in Charleston nearly equal numbers of blacks and whites. That is the opposite of segregation.I

    If you can see them, it's not segregation. If you can smell them, it's integration.

    Vermont-- now that was segregation.


    Bizarrely, the two states had almost equal numbers of free white men. But Vermont had only three districts and five electors, while SC got six districts and eight electors. Somebody counted wrong!

  14. anon[253] • Disclaimer says:

    Ghana-Nigerian “American” sez:

    Dehumanizing slurs don’t gain their cruel power overnight. They are part and parcel of generations of violence, erasure and discrimination.

    We know about that. Even people who don’t quite believe are starting to notice hate, violence and erasure.

    We know…

    • Thanks: BenKenobi
    • Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers
    She should place the blame on her thoughtless, selfish parents for birthing her in such a horrid country, instead of that warm, nurturing cradle of humanity, Africa. I always take a cold comfort in knowing that the impending societal reset tsunami/debt jubilee will wash this nonsense away - along with tranny clown child anal instructors, Common Core, teenage type-II diabetes, fake credit, importation of rape culture, etc. This creature (the author) and others will perform real work, or perish. Stupidity, incompetence and criminality will no longer be subsidized.
  15. And to invent oppression when none is happening to you? Well, as a Karen, I just have to say — that is peak Karen behavior.

    Did this woman just call Jussie Smollett a Karen? Really?

    • LOL: Hibernian
  16. White women are the most privileged group of humans who have ever lived. That’s fine, White men made it that way. But a little appreciation wouldn’t hurt.

    Instead, too many White women throw White men under the bus politically. Young White men, I encourage you to remember.

    • Thanks: Bill Jones
    • Replies: @jsm
    Thank you!!
    , @OscarWildeLoveChild
    I don't believe anything the author of this article (Karen) says...because she was not "literally shaking" anywhere in it.
  17. And did someone mention privilege again? Here’s Brooklyn yesterday. Again.

    https://nypost.com/2020/04/28/de-blasio-blasts-jewish-community-for-massive-brooklyn-funeral/

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    Oy Gewalt - people exercising their right to free assembly. Where will it all end?
    , @Pericles
    Bonus: If there is some superspreading going on, in six months they can always blame whiteeey.
  18. @black sea

    we still learn about black people being arrested or assaulted because a white woman called the police unnecessarily.
     
    People are rarely arrested or assaulted because someone called the police "unnecessarily."

    Contacting the police to check a situation out is not the same as accusing someone of a crime. If the person whom the police are checking out reacts in a reasonable manner, and if they actually aren't committing a crime, then probably they will be left to go about their business. If they react by going apesh*t, particularly when they are committing a crime, then the chance of being arrested or "assaulted" does increase.

    A lot of this just stems from the fact that blacks and whites tend to see issues involving acceptable behavior, rule-breaking, the criminal justice system, and so forth in very different ways.

    You mean as in “Hey, Becky! Why ya’ll have to go and call police on Shanequa and Dontevius? Shi–they dindu nuffin’! And you just KNOW that’s a bunch of bull that they’s did!”

    Cue NWA’s “F the Police”.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Average American Black IQ is 85. That alone makes half the Black population incapable of productive work in an industrial society.

    Therefore, about half the Black population relies on outside-the-regular-economy work to supplement primary but skimpy welfare, etc. Much of this outside-the-regular-economy work is illegal, quite a bit of it criminal. This makes police a threat to much of the Black population, or to pretty much all of the Black population if you extend threat to "threat to my close relatives".

    It also makes much of Black social order dependent on personal prestige rather than legal status, since one can hardly call in the police to enforce payment in an extra-legal exchange (Occasionally one sees a news story about complaints to police about bad drug deals, always ending with the arrest of the complaintant). Prestige maintenance includes public displays of non-alliance with common enemies -- the police, for example.

    Like most biological/ecological systems it all fits together. Doesn't mean it's good, just means it is. And, of course, whoever built this "industrial society" into which the Black population just doesn't fit is also a common enemy. What else could they be?

    Plays in which all characters act in accordance with their characters and in good faith and a number of them end up dead (e.g. "Romeo and Juliet") are called "tragic". The above is a description of a real life analog to a tragic play.

    Please remember that very little of the Black / White situation is voluntary on either side, and above all pleas stop expecting it to change its nature. Black IQ will remain at about 85, influence of emotion on Blacks and Black impulsiveness will continue high. European descended Whites will continue to both need and try to adapt to industrial society (which appears to be bad for them, their death rate is increasing), the Middle East Whites will continue to reject industrial society, China will continue to be driven by ritual and commercial greed, and the Sun will continue to apparently rise and set. All with about the same degree of inevitability.
  19. @JimDandy
    This creates a nice excuse to mention once again that witness testimony (including black witnesses) indicates that Till sexually assaulted the white female victim. A biographer later claimed that the victim admitted that the she lied, but the evidence shows that the biographer was clearly lying. The "murdered because he was black" narrative is reductive. Till messed with the wrong married woman. It seems that the white female victim tried, and failed, to keep the truth from her highly protective husband.

    Perhaps the ur-example of “when keeping it real goes wrong.”

    I wonder what N-Karen here would think of our humble community and all our “jokes and memes.”

  20. Prepositions shift periodically: lately everything is “around” something.

    Wouldn’t that be “about” in the UK?

    As a millennial black Karen

    What’s so millennial about her? Kids today are so narcissistic. The world has been waiting a thousand years for them. Yeah, right.

    …and a child of immigrants, I find the brouhaha hilarious and twisted.

    I find this child of immigrants twisted, but less than hilarious.

    Fast-forward to recent years and we still learn about black people being arrested or assaulted because a white woman called the police unnecessarily.

    Free Coz!

  21. Dehumanizing slurs don’t gain their cruel power overnight. They are part and parcel of generations of violence, erasure and discrimination.

    And with any luck, “Karen” and “Becky” will get there.

    Millennial black Karen, child of immigrants, can stop over at Paul Kersey’s SBPDL blog, right here on the Unz Review, to check on the progress — to see how many Karens and Beckys are being murdered and raped by black people and ignored and forgotten.

  22. The authoress is correct, in a way. Epithets are just shorthand.

    That word beginning with N has its power because everyone black and white can think immediately of (visceral) examples of blacks behaving commensurately.

    “Karen” or “Becky,” though, are bloodless, because no matter how ingrained in the culture those terms become, they still just basically refer to generally respectable women trying to do the right thing under difficult or confusing circumstances.

  23. You see more white right-wingers, from mainstream types to alt-right/groyper types, use “Karen” derisively and joke about “Karen” memes than leftists and non-whites do.

    https://twitter.com/search?q=from%3Aramzpaul%20karen&f=live

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    You see more white right-wingers, from mainstream types to alt-right/groyper types, use “Karen” derisively and joke about “Karen” memes than leftists and non-whites do.
     
    Good point. Seems even altright and groypers are susceptible to Stockholm Syndrome due to oppression by TPTB.
  24. “As a millennial black Karen, and a child of immigrants…”

    Mentioned this before, but here is yet another example of declaring one’s intersectional aristocratic credentials.

    Whenever you read this, you know that a faulty line of argument will follow. No need for logic when you are “entitled”, going back to the original meaning of the word.

    • Agree: donut
  25. @R.G. Camara
    Which is part of why segregation was never the incredibly evil thing its been portrayed by commies.

    Which is part of why segregation was never the incredibly evil thing its been portrayed by commies.

    What segregation?

    The 1850 census for South Carolina shows down to the ward in Charleston nearly equal numbers of blacks and whites. That is the opposite of segregation.I

    If you can see them, it’s not segregation. If you can smell them, it’s integration.

    Vermont– now that was segregation.

    Bizarrely, the two states had almost equal numbers of free white men. But Vermont had only three districts and five electors, while SC got six districts and eight electors. Somebody counted wrong!

    • Replies: @captflee
    Such are the results of political compromise. If memory serves, Mr. Harrison ( Va.) initially proposed half. Some at the North demanded all slaves be counted (for direct taxation, especially), some offered three quarters, whether as a measure of comity or desperation I know not. In any event the issue dragged on throughout the life of the Confederation, until the dubious proceedings in Philadelphia produced the Madisonian three fifths, which obtained until done in by the 14th Amendment, whose provenance should not be much investigated if one does not wish to believe that he lives in a bit of a banana republic.
  26. @Mr McKenna
    And did someone mention privilege again? Here's Brooklyn yesterday. Again.

    https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2020/04/img_8673.jpg

    https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2020/04/img_8669.jpg

    https://nypost.com/2020/04/28/de-blasio-blasts-jewish-community-for-massive-brooklyn-funeral/

    Oy Gewalt – people exercising their right to free assembly. Where will it all end?

  27. Myanmar must be brimming with annoying, entitled women:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_people

  28. There have been so many whites killed by blacks in the U.S. for the most ridiculous reasons, that still bringing up Emmett Till is bizarre. Maybe they just can’t find any other more recent case of white people murdering blacks who mess up with white girls? Most whites don’t care, it seems not only accepted but even celebrated, judging by Netflix series.

    While finding blacks who kill whites is not hard.

    https://rollingout.com/2020/04/09/man-charged-with-allegedly-killing-black-girlfriends-white-adoptive-parents/

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    "it seems not only accepted but even celebrated, judging by Netflix series"

    Don't judge by Netflix series, or indeed anything you see on TV.
  29. @Mr McKenna
    And did someone mention privilege again? Here's Brooklyn yesterday. Again.

    https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2020/04/img_8673.jpg

    https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2020/04/img_8669.jpg

    https://nypost.com/2020/04/28/de-blasio-blasts-jewish-community-for-massive-brooklyn-funeral/

    Bonus: If there is some superspreading going on, in six months they can always blame whiteeey.

  30. Anonymous[769] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie
    This anti-Karen crap feels so contrived to me. The truth of the matter is that black women and White women get along fine. We don't go to the same churches or bars or movies, but as long as you don't steal their men, we get along fine, and even have fun together in the office and at the gym or whatever.

    Maybe they just really can't stand condescending liberal NWLs who talk to them like they're idiots. (Wasn't there a study about that?) If so, I can't say I blame them.

    This anti-Karen crap feels so contrived to me. The truth of the matter is that black women and White women get along fine. We don’t go to the same churches or bars or movies, but as long as you don’t steal their men

    That’s a rather big loophole, isn’t it? Black males seem to like white women.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    That’s a rather big loophole, isn’t it? Black males seem to like white women.
     
    I suppose. Certainly, since there are more Whites than blacks, a relatively small proportion of White women pairing up with black men can cause serious problems for black women.

    All things considered, black women don't really seem to hold it against those of us who prefer our own.
  31. Anonymous[769] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    You see more white right-wingers, from mainstream types to alt-right/groyper types, use "Karen" derisively and joke about "Karen" memes than leftists and non-whites do.

    https://twitter.com/TheBabylonBee/status/1254545795291983873

    https://twitter.com/search?q=from%3Aramzpaul%20karen&f=live

    You see more white right-wingers, from mainstream types to alt-right/groyper types, use “Karen” derisively and joke about “Karen” memes than leftists and non-whites do.

    Good point. Seems even altright and groypers are susceptible to Stockholm Syndrome due to oppression by TPTB.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    It's disappointing to watch people opposed to feminism regurgitating feminist propaganda about the past.
    , @Lars Porsena
    You do realize Karen calls the cops on white people too? And asks to speak with their managers?

    It makes sense they would complain more because they have to live with the broad.
  32. @Anonymous

    You see more white right-wingers, from mainstream types to alt-right/groyper types, use “Karen” derisively and joke about “Karen” memes than leftists and non-whites do.
     
    Good point. Seems even altright and groypers are susceptible to Stockholm Syndrome due to oppression by TPTB.

    It’s disappointing to watch people opposed to feminism regurgitating feminist propaganda about the past.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    It’s disappointing to watch people opposed to feminism regurgitating feminist propaganda about the past.
     
    What do you mean?
  33. Black Karen forgot to mention how great her hair looks. She must spend a thousand bux a month to keep it so fabulous and straight.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    Black Karen has Becky hair. When are barbershops opening up?
  34. @TheMediumIsTheMassage

    Take Becky, for example: It was rapper Sir Mix-a-Lot’s 1992 song “Baby Got Back,” in which a white girl, disgusted by the shape of a black woman’s body, talks behind the black woman’s back to her friend Becky.
     
    So a skit created by a black man as part of the video promotion for his song is responsible for that slur. Does the author realize that the white girl in that video was just reading lines and wasn't *actually* disgusted by the black woman's body?

    Hmm. Black people create–out of thin air–white people being racist, and it’s used by other black people as examples of how racist white people are. Sure, seems legit.

    As if the ‘entertainment industry’ isn’t already jam-packed with enough other examples of same.

  35. Anonymous[142] • Disclaimer says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    You mean as in "Hey, Becky! Why ya'll have to go and call police on Shanequa and Dontevius? Shi--they dindu nuffin'! And you just KNOW that's a bunch of bull that they's did!"

    Cue NWA's "F the Police".

    Average American Black IQ is 85. That alone makes half the Black population incapable of productive work in an industrial society.

    Therefore, about half the Black population relies on outside-the-regular-economy work to supplement primary but skimpy welfare, etc. Much of this outside-the-regular-economy work is illegal, quite a bit of it criminal. This makes police a threat to much of the Black population, or to pretty much all of the Black population if you extend threat to “threat to my close relatives”.

    It also makes much of Black social order dependent on personal prestige rather than legal status, since one can hardly call in the police to enforce payment in an extra-legal exchange (Occasionally one sees a news story about complaints to police about bad drug deals, always ending with the arrest of the complaintant). Prestige maintenance includes public displays of non-alliance with common enemies — the police, for example.

    Like most biological/ecological systems it all fits together. Doesn’t mean it’s good, just means it is. And, of course, whoever built this “industrial society” into which the Black population just doesn’t fit is also a common enemy. What else could they be?

    Plays in which all characters act in accordance with their characters and in good faith and a number of them end up dead (e.g. “Romeo and Juliet”) are called “tragic”. The above is a description of a real life analog to a tragic play.

    Please remember that very little of the Black / White situation is voluntary on either side, and above all pleas stop expecting it to change its nature. Black IQ will remain at about 85, influence of emotion on Blacks and Black impulsiveness will continue high. European descended Whites will continue to both need and try to adapt to industrial society (which appears to be bad for them, their death rate is increasing), the Middle East Whites will continue to reject industrial society, China will continue to be driven by ritual and commercial greed, and the Sun will continue to apparently rise and set. All with about the same degree of inevitability.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    Average American Black IQ is 85. That alone makes half the Black population incapable of productive work in an industrial society.

    See Edward Banfield on contentions like this.

    The labor market generates work for people at every skill level. The number of adults collecting Social Security Disability benefits for 'intellectual disability' was, at the end of 2018, about 335,000. The number receiving SSI for like reasons was 617,000 at that time. These sum to 952,000 people. In toto, about 13% of those collecting Social Security Disability are black, while about 22% of those collecting SSI are black. It might be somewhat higher for those coded as having 'intellectual disabilities', but you're still looking at maybe 250,000 people next to 18 million working blacks.

    Employment-to-population ratios among whites, hispanics, and 'asians' differ very little. Those among blacks are usually about 10% lower. However, the differential has been much lower in recent years, at least up until about two months ago.

    If you fancy that 15% of the adult population is 'incapable of productive work', you'd have to believe there are 30 million working-aged adults collecting welfare, sitting in jail, living as vagrants, &c. As ever, people on these boards are credulous when it suits them.

  36. @Dumbo
    There have been so many whites killed by blacks in the U.S. for the most ridiculous reasons, that still bringing up Emmett Till is bizarre. Maybe they just can't find any other more recent case of white people murdering blacks who mess up with white girls? Most whites don't care, it seems not only accepted but even celebrated, judging by Netflix series.

    While finding blacks who kill whites is not hard.

    https://rollingout.com/2020/04/09/man-charged-with-allegedly-killing-black-girlfriends-white-adoptive-parents/

    “it seems not only accepted but even celebrated, judging by Netflix series”

    Don’t judge by Netflix series, or indeed anything you see on TV.

  37. Just another post of white people whining. When did white people become such SJW pussies.?

    • Troll: West Reanimator
  38. Emily Jones.
    Emily Jones.
    Emily Jones.
    Emily Jones.
    Emily Jones.
    Emily Jones.

  39. It never occurs to barbarians for whom violence against minorities is de rigueur how much higher they must hold White, Christian culture in comparison to their own.

  40. @JimDandy
    This creates a nice excuse to mention once again that witness testimony (including black witnesses) indicates that Till sexually assaulted the white female victim. A biographer later claimed that the victim admitted that the she lied, but the evidence shows that the biographer was clearly lying. The "murdered because he was black" narrative is reductive. Till messed with the wrong married woman. It seems that the white female victim tried, and failed, to keep the truth from her highly protective husband.

    Agree.

    But it is a hallmark of the Black community to make heroes out of the less-than-innocent, e.g. Michael Brown; Travon Martin; OJ; etc.

    Their army, their soldiers, and they are not going to share what they win.

  41. @Rosie
    This anti-Karen crap feels so contrived to me. The truth of the matter is that black women and White women get along fine. We don't go to the same churches or bars or movies, but as long as you don't steal their men, we get along fine, and even have fun together in the office and at the gym or whatever.

    Maybe they just really can't stand condescending liberal NWLs who talk to them like they're idiots. (Wasn't there a study about that?) If so, I can't say I blame them.

    Whites are notoriously deluded about how blacks feel about them.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Whites are notoriously deluded about how blacks feel about them.
     
    I dunno. Black women aren't exactly inscrutable Stoics, after all. You can generally get a pretty good idea of how they feel about you.

    Don't get me wrong. I'm sure the writer of this article really does hate White women. I just don't think she represents the majority, that's all.

  42. As a millennial black Karen, and a child of immigrants, I

    What? She’s only a black child of immigrants? Not lesbian, bisexual, transgendered or disabled, too?

    No cred whatsoever.

  43. @Anonymous
    Average American Black IQ is 85. That alone makes half the Black population incapable of productive work in an industrial society.

    Therefore, about half the Black population relies on outside-the-regular-economy work to supplement primary but skimpy welfare, etc. Much of this outside-the-regular-economy work is illegal, quite a bit of it criminal. This makes police a threat to much of the Black population, or to pretty much all of the Black population if you extend threat to "threat to my close relatives".

    It also makes much of Black social order dependent on personal prestige rather than legal status, since one can hardly call in the police to enforce payment in an extra-legal exchange (Occasionally one sees a news story about complaints to police about bad drug deals, always ending with the arrest of the complaintant). Prestige maintenance includes public displays of non-alliance with common enemies -- the police, for example.

    Like most biological/ecological systems it all fits together. Doesn't mean it's good, just means it is. And, of course, whoever built this "industrial society" into which the Black population just doesn't fit is also a common enemy. What else could they be?

    Plays in which all characters act in accordance with their characters and in good faith and a number of them end up dead (e.g. "Romeo and Juliet") are called "tragic". The above is a description of a real life analog to a tragic play.

    Please remember that very little of the Black / White situation is voluntary on either side, and above all pleas stop expecting it to change its nature. Black IQ will remain at about 85, influence of emotion on Blacks and Black impulsiveness will continue high. European descended Whites will continue to both need and try to adapt to industrial society (which appears to be bad for them, their death rate is increasing), the Middle East Whites will continue to reject industrial society, China will continue to be driven by ritual and commercial greed, and the Sun will continue to apparently rise and set. All with about the same degree of inevitability.

    Average American Black IQ is 85. That alone makes half the Black population incapable of productive work in an industrial society.

    See Edward Banfield on contentions like this.

    The labor market generates work for people at every skill level. The number of adults collecting Social Security Disability benefits for ‘intellectual disability’ was, at the end of 2018, about 335,000. The number receiving SSI for like reasons was 617,000 at that time. These sum to 952,000 people. In toto, about 13% of those collecting Social Security Disability are black, while about 22% of those collecting SSI are black. It might be somewhat higher for those coded as having ‘intellectual disabilities’, but you’re still looking at maybe 250,000 people next to 18 million working blacks.

    Employment-to-population ratios among whites, hispanics, and ‘asians’ differ very little. Those among blacks are usually about 10% lower. However, the differential has been much lower in recent years, at least up until about two months ago.

    If you fancy that 15% of the adult population is ‘incapable of productive work’, you’d have to believe there are 30 million working-aged adults collecting welfare, sitting in jail, living as vagrants, &c. As ever, people on these boards are credulous when it suits them.

    • Replies: @martin_2
    I naively employed a few low IQ people in my small business some years ago and it was generally a very negative experience. Shocking ineptitude, and even theft from customers. It is hard to see how they can be truly productive.
    , @Anon

    “[My mother] told me that if I ever thought in terms of limitations others had set for me, I would be a limited person. My mother was right. She never allowed me to see my I.Q. score. It wasn’t until much later that I discovered I had tested below average.”

    Mushroom: The Story of the A-Bomb Kid by John Aristotle Phillips and David Michaelis (William Morrow, 1978), p. 25.
     

    John Aristotle Phillips studied physics and engineering at Princeton (Freeman Dyson was his advisor). His father was an engineering professor at Yale. After graduating from Princeton Phillips went into tech in San Francisco and is now a CEO of a tech company specializing in tracking voter trends for political campaigns.

    Phillips became known when as an undergraduate physics student wrote a term paper where he was able to layout a working A-Bomb design from publicly available information.

    https://people.com/archive/a-princeton-tiger-designs-an-atomic-bomb-in-a-physics-class-vol-6-no-17/

    , @Jack D
    Much of black employment is the result of government preference and Affirmative Action pressure on private sector employers. Many of these jobs (esp. the government ones) should be considered as welfare in disguise. The productivity of the black employees is often less than their wages but they are kept on anyway because their employers would be sued if they were fired. So to say, "look at the statistics, blacks are employed almost as much as whites" is to ignore the elephant in the room which is the massive government thumb on the scale.

    Perhaps most blacks are capable of work but many of them are mismatched with their jobs at every level due to AA. The black lawyers should be school teachers and the school teachers should be secretaries and the secretaries should be cleaning houses and the house cleaners should be picking cotton but their aren't any cotton picking jobs anymore.
    , @bomag
    Don't conflate employment with doing productive work.
    , @Anonymous
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J2VwFDV4-g

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Eyj6h2DYrw

    https://www.theroot.com/trump-s-federal-workforce-plans-will-blow-up-the-black-1790857869

    https://blackdemographics.com/economics/employment/

    If you fancy that 15% of the adult population is ‘incapable of productive work’, you’d have to believe there are 30 million working-aged adults collecting welfare, sitting in jail, living as vagrants, &c. As ever, people on these boards are credulous when it suits them.
     
    You point out very large problem that is real and yet not mentioned in the media. Where do you think the street people in SF and LA come from? I'm out in the US countryside, which, I can tell you, is full of refugees both internal to the US and from other countries (South Africa, USSR, Russian Federation).

    Shall I point out that, as a person on this board, you are by your own statement credulous? And that that the above videos/documents/personal testimony establish that you are very credulous indeed? Face reality, end your current psychotic break. Take a look at the real bottom, and do so before it hits you.

    There is a good chance that COVID-19 costs will end the current system of finance / global trade. That will end the simulated reality maintained by Federal / State employment and legally mandated employment and it will end the media as it now exists ("Get woke, go broke" will become general as the target audiences lose the power of government funding).

    Try to adjust starting now so that it won't all hit you at once. That's serious advice.
  44. Figures that the official outrage over “Karen” isn’t about whether “Karens” are engaging in too much schoolmarmism, but about whether the meme “Karen” violates some wokescold mumbo jumbo.

  45. Anonymous[260] • Disclaimer says:
    @Redneck farmer
    It's disappointing to watch people opposed to feminism regurgitating feminist propaganda about the past.

    It’s disappointing to watch people opposed to feminism regurgitating feminist propaganda about the past.

    What do you mean?

  46. @Art Deco
    Average American Black IQ is 85. That alone makes half the Black population incapable of productive work in an industrial society.

    See Edward Banfield on contentions like this.

    The labor market generates work for people at every skill level. The number of adults collecting Social Security Disability benefits for 'intellectual disability' was, at the end of 2018, about 335,000. The number receiving SSI for like reasons was 617,000 at that time. These sum to 952,000 people. In toto, about 13% of those collecting Social Security Disability are black, while about 22% of those collecting SSI are black. It might be somewhat higher for those coded as having 'intellectual disabilities', but you're still looking at maybe 250,000 people next to 18 million working blacks.

    Employment-to-population ratios among whites, hispanics, and 'asians' differ very little. Those among blacks are usually about 10% lower. However, the differential has been much lower in recent years, at least up until about two months ago.

    If you fancy that 15% of the adult population is 'incapable of productive work', you'd have to believe there are 30 million working-aged adults collecting welfare, sitting in jail, living as vagrants, &c. As ever, people on these boards are credulous when it suits them.

    I naively employed a few low IQ people in my small business some years ago and it was generally a very negative experience. Shocking ineptitude, and even theft from customers. It is hard to see how they can be truly productive.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    You didn't say for what you hired them and why. (Or how you knew what their IQ was).
  47. @Anonymous

    You see more white right-wingers, from mainstream types to alt-right/groyper types, use “Karen” derisively and joke about “Karen” memes than leftists and non-whites do.
     
    Good point. Seems even altright and groypers are susceptible to Stockholm Syndrome due to oppression by TPTB.

    You do realize Karen calls the cops on white people too? And asks to speak with their managers?

    It makes sense they would complain more because they have to live with the broad.

  48. whose credentials in oppression include being known for espousing anti-trans rhetoric

    Hey, new vocab — it’s the opposite of intersectional PokePoints!

    My (proudly held) credentials in oppression include:
    — White
    — Male
    — Actual XY chromosomes (i.e. Cis)
    — Straight
    — Christian

    Let’s share, everyone!

  49. @Anonymous

    This anti-Karen crap feels so contrived to me. The truth of the matter is that black women and White women get along fine. We don’t go to the same churches or bars or movies, but as long as you don’t steal their men
     
    That’s a rather big loophole, isn’t it? Black males seem to like white women.

    That’s a rather big loophole, isn’t it? Black males seem to like white women.

    I suppose. Certainly, since there are more Whites than blacks, a relatively small proportion of White women pairing up with black men can cause serious problems for black women.

    All things considered, black women don’t really seem to hold it against those of us who prefer our own.

  50. I don’t mind that there is a pop culture term for the perceived stereotypical white female busybody. On the other hand, if anyone tried to come up with a term for the stereotypical black female they would be condemned left and right, even if people know it’s just as accurate as the Karens and Beckys of the world.

    I guess part of white privilege is the expectation that you can take the brickbats without demanding apologies in the pages of our most prominent publications.

    • Replies: @Sgt. Joe Friday

    I don’t mind that there is a pop culture term for the perceived stereotypical white female busybody.
     
    I like it...

    Sen. Karen Warren
    Sen. Karen Klobuchar
    Sen. Karen Gillibrand
    Gov. Karen Whitmer
    Sec. Karen Clinton

    Etc. etc. etc.
  51. Anon[150] • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco
    Average American Black IQ is 85. That alone makes half the Black population incapable of productive work in an industrial society.

    See Edward Banfield on contentions like this.

    The labor market generates work for people at every skill level. The number of adults collecting Social Security Disability benefits for 'intellectual disability' was, at the end of 2018, about 335,000. The number receiving SSI for like reasons was 617,000 at that time. These sum to 952,000 people. In toto, about 13% of those collecting Social Security Disability are black, while about 22% of those collecting SSI are black. It might be somewhat higher for those coded as having 'intellectual disabilities', but you're still looking at maybe 250,000 people next to 18 million working blacks.

    Employment-to-population ratios among whites, hispanics, and 'asians' differ very little. Those among blacks are usually about 10% lower. However, the differential has been much lower in recent years, at least up until about two months ago.

    If you fancy that 15% of the adult population is 'incapable of productive work', you'd have to believe there are 30 million working-aged adults collecting welfare, sitting in jail, living as vagrants, &c. As ever, people on these boards are credulous when it suits them.

    “[My mother] told me that if I ever thought in terms of limitations others had set for me, I would be a limited person. My mother was right. She never allowed me to see my I.Q. score. It wasn’t until much later that I discovered I had tested below average.”

    Mushroom: The Story of the A-Bomb Kid by John Aristotle Phillips and David Michaelis (William Morrow, 1978), p. 25.

    John Aristotle Phillips studied physics and engineering at Princeton (Freeman Dyson was his advisor). His father was an engineering professor at Yale. After graduating from Princeton Phillips went into tech in San Francisco and is now a CEO of a tech company specializing in tracking voter trends for political campaigns.

    Phillips became known when as an undergraduate physics student wrote a term paper where he was able to layout a working A-Bomb design from publicly available information.

    https://people.com/archive/a-princeton-tiger-designs-an-atomic-bomb-in-a-physics-class-vol-6-no-17/

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    Either there was a machine scoring error on the test or he was just lying. In the old days (say, about 1962 when I took my first IQ test) when a substantial part of an IQ test was vocabulary testing, some natively intelligent people got low scores; however, that's not likely in Mr. Phillips' case with his family background. A Yale engineering professor is not going to be an "I used to not be able to spell Ing - Uh - Near, but now I are one." type of engineer.

    Or else his idea of a low score is one slightly below Einstein's. Or he had a learning disability which he later magically overcame.

    , @Tusk
    It's more likely the test was wrong than mentally retarded people are actually genius physicists.
  52. Whining of the Marginalized has become more and more extreme in its childishness and insipidity.

  53. People of color should describe their experiences of racism in whatever language works for them.

    Freedom of speech for me, not for thee. If people of pallor describe their experiences with people of color in whatever language works for them, that’s racis’ and the people of pallor deserve to be deplatformed, fired, exiled from polite society, etc. Not only do they not get to use “whatever language works for them”, they have to guard their every word. One wrong utterance (e.g. calling a black person “niggardly”) and it’s curtains for their career. But apparently one of the privileges of being a person of color in our new topsy turvy world is that persons of color get to say (loudly) whatever is on their mind. They don’t even pretend to hide their double standards anymore.

    Speaking of which, the silence of the Senate Democrats regarding the Tara Reade allegations is deafening. The same Senators who were screaming and shouting “Always Believe Women” when Dr. Professor Blasey Ford made here allegations against Kavenaugh suddenly have nothing to say regarding Handsy Joe. So it turns out that their opposition to Kavenaugh was just political and had nothing to do with the allegations against him. They just wanted to torpedo the nomination of a conservative by any means necessary. Any stick will do to beat a dog. Remember this the next time these folks start virtue signalling their “high minded” opposition.

    • Agree: bomag, Dtbb, res, Johann Ricke
  54. @Art Deco
    Average American Black IQ is 85. That alone makes half the Black population incapable of productive work in an industrial society.

    See Edward Banfield on contentions like this.

    The labor market generates work for people at every skill level. The number of adults collecting Social Security Disability benefits for 'intellectual disability' was, at the end of 2018, about 335,000. The number receiving SSI for like reasons was 617,000 at that time. These sum to 952,000 people. In toto, about 13% of those collecting Social Security Disability are black, while about 22% of those collecting SSI are black. It might be somewhat higher for those coded as having 'intellectual disabilities', but you're still looking at maybe 250,000 people next to 18 million working blacks.

    Employment-to-population ratios among whites, hispanics, and 'asians' differ very little. Those among blacks are usually about 10% lower. However, the differential has been much lower in recent years, at least up until about two months ago.

    If you fancy that 15% of the adult population is 'incapable of productive work', you'd have to believe there are 30 million working-aged adults collecting welfare, sitting in jail, living as vagrants, &c. As ever, people on these boards are credulous when it suits them.

    Much of black employment is the result of government preference and Affirmative Action pressure on private sector employers. Many of these jobs (esp. the government ones) should be considered as welfare in disguise. The productivity of the black employees is often less than their wages but they are kept on anyway because their employers would be sued if they were fired. So to say, “look at the statistics, blacks are employed almost as much as whites” is to ignore the elephant in the room which is the massive government thumb on the scale.

    Perhaps most blacks are capable of work but many of them are mismatched with their jobs at every level due to AA. The black lawyers should be school teachers and the school teachers should be secretaries and the secretaries should be cleaning houses and the house cleaners should be picking cotton but their aren’t any cotton picking jobs anymore.

    • Agree: bomag, Mark G., Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    You pretty much nailed black achievement.
    , @Art Deco
    Much of black employment is the result of government preference and Affirmative Action pressure on private sector employers. M

    I've gone over the numbers with you multiple times in the past. You have never offered a valid response. You just repeat this meme at a later date, because liar. For the record, 14% of all employees are to be found in the public sector. About 18% of federal civilian and military employees are black. The Census Bureau calculated in 2010 that blacks account for about 18% of low wage local government employment and about 11% of high wage local government employment. The Bureau of Labor Statistics sectoral enumerations recently said blacks account for about 17.5% of those employed in 'public administration' (which accounts for about 1/3 of all government employment. Their stake in other sectors which have ample government employment are 11% for educational services, 18% for health care, 20% for 'social assistance', postal service (25%), and utilities (9.7%). You see the same proportions in a variety of venues. About 18% of public sector workers are black. Given the ratio of black workers to non-black workers in the economy as a whole, the excess of black workers amounts to 6.5% of the public sector workforce, or about 1.4 million workers. That's 7% of the total population of working blacks, a great many of them employed in the same sorts of things they're hired to do by private sector employers: deliver mail, deliver parcels, work in cafeterias, and help elderly people in the loo.


    Your thesis is inane. From 1877 to 1941, official favors extended to the black population sum to zero. Over the succeeding 23 years, they sum to very little of consequence in regard to the labor market. Yet, somehow blacks earn a living sufficient to sustain themselves demographically. You saw the same patterns on either side of the color bar over those years occurring at about the same pace: the redistribution of labor from the agricultural sector to services and industry, greater literacy and more time devoted to formal schooling, rural to urban migration, improved life expectancy, &c. What do you fancy was going on? That some shadowy cabal was operating a vast patronage mill that's just slipped everyone's mind?

    Quit lying to yourself, and quit lying to others.

    , @anon
    Sadly, you are correct about most employees today. Take a look at our federal government in the last 20-30 years for example. Would anyone hire any of them for job better than Regional Sales Manager for a vacuum cleaner company?
    , @Dube

    to ignore the elephant in the room which is the massive government thumb on the scale.
     
    Putting that phrasing over reminds me it's proven that bees can't fly.
  55. @Art Deco
    Average American Black IQ is 85. That alone makes half the Black population incapable of productive work in an industrial society.

    See Edward Banfield on contentions like this.

    The labor market generates work for people at every skill level. The number of adults collecting Social Security Disability benefits for 'intellectual disability' was, at the end of 2018, about 335,000. The number receiving SSI for like reasons was 617,000 at that time. These sum to 952,000 people. In toto, about 13% of those collecting Social Security Disability are black, while about 22% of those collecting SSI are black. It might be somewhat higher for those coded as having 'intellectual disabilities', but you're still looking at maybe 250,000 people next to 18 million working blacks.

    Employment-to-population ratios among whites, hispanics, and 'asians' differ very little. Those among blacks are usually about 10% lower. However, the differential has been much lower in recent years, at least up until about two months ago.

    If you fancy that 15% of the adult population is 'incapable of productive work', you'd have to believe there are 30 million working-aged adults collecting welfare, sitting in jail, living as vagrants, &c. As ever, people on these boards are credulous when it suits them.

    Don’t conflate employment with doing productive work.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    Someone voluntarily hires you to do tasks x, y, and z. Three interpretations:

    1. You provide a marginal benefit to the organization.

    2. Your job is relict, but the deficit of benefits hasn't reached anyone with the authority to eliminate your position.

    3. Your unit in the organization was formed in the expectation it would produce value and did not.


    Whether your job is useful or not, you will commonly have resentful co-workers who fancy they're the only people in the organization who accomplish anything, and a few of them vent on comment boards.

  56. …part of a long tradition to use humor to try to cope with the realities of white privilege and anti-blackness

    Actually coping is off the table; just constant struggle until the transfer payments run out.

  57. Let’s be honest- all races feel something like revulsion at blacks. I don’t think it has anything to do with IQ; it is, probably, a compound of black’s looks & their destructiveness, the whole package of “being black”.

    American Indians/Native Americans mix with whites? No problem for Indian tribes, they accept as co-ethnics even those who look like Greta Garbo. Mixed with blacks? Most Native Americans- ewwww…

    Chinese mix with whites? Look mostly or entirely white? No problem. Mix with blacks? Ewww….

    The same with Hindu Indians, tanned Caucasians (some Arabs, Iranians, …).

    If you are of white European ancestry & you’re normal, not insane.. You find you have some Native ancestors, or Polynesian, or Asian … 200 or 300 years ago. Not a big deal.

    You find you have some blacks ancestors. The result?

    Ewww….

  58. @JimDandy
    This creates a nice excuse to mention once again that witness testimony (including black witnesses) indicates that Till sexually assaulted the white female victim. A biographer later claimed that the victim admitted that the she lied, but the evidence shows that the biographer was clearly lying. The "murdered because he was black" narrative is reductive. Till messed with the wrong married woman. It seems that the white female victim tried, and failed, to keep the truth from her highly protective husband.

    I’m afraid “The History is settled” is the new “The Science is settled.” And like science, history is usually invoked by those, like this chick, who know nothing about it.

  59. What about #Buckwheat? That wouldn’t be tolerated, no.

  60. My ancestors grew up in the rural Deep South and have told me that Blacks were mistreated to a degree. They did in fact have to enter through the back door of homes, sit in the balcony at movie theaters, and there were more than a few cases of White men on the Jungle Fever DL for Black females. Often Blacks would do the dirty work, but then again, my ancestors weren’t much better off than Blacks when it came to working conditions. Plenty of poor White Southerners picked cotton, and did other back breaking work. A RICH JEW had a lumber yard in the small town my mother grew up in and he worked poor Blacks and Whites for next to nothing. So much for Jews and their concern for the Black man, and their FAKE concern for the working man, huh? We are probably talking the 1940’s and early 1950’s here. My mother witnessed a cop busting a black boy with his stick because of some very small infraction. But alas, this is all ANCIENT HISTORY. And lest we think all this kind of thing happened just in the Deep South, you would have to be pretty naive and buy into the bullshit that the Great White North is as colorblind as they HAVE ALWAYS claimed to be while criticizing Southerners for their racism.

    Anyhow, enough with the Emmett Till caca. For every Emmett Till, I can show you THOUSANDS of Whites who have been murdered, tortured, raped, burned alive with a blow torch, mutilated by Blacks. I would dare say that as for interracial violence and murder throughout the history of America, that Black on White violence not only has caught up to White on Black violence, but has probably doubled or tripled it even. I thought MLK marched for equal rights and NOT SPECIAL RIGHTS. Most Whites are above the name calling, call me anything but don’t call me late for supper. Slurs like “honky,” “redneck,” “cracka,” “pinky,” don’t cause my blood pressure to raise one point. A lot of Blacks are almost child-like and bi-polar, they can go from laughing hysterically one minute to growing angry, somber or moody the next. IN REALITY, Blacks have better relations with poor White Southerners than they do with other Americans. I saw more White racism and Black racism working among civilian fireman on Governors Island, New York than I ever experienced while living in the Deep South. The white firefighters were always talking about the Puerto Rican and black guy who worked there and vice versa, when I worked on the shift with the black guy and the Puerto Rican, they would always talk about the white guys. I guess both groups felt safe to talk about the other guys around me for some strange reason. I won’t tell which one that I witnessed take a piss in the other guy’s boots. lolol

  61. Her conclusion is funny (and not just in the sense Mr McKenna observed above). I wonder if she realizes it.

    And to invent oppression when none is happening to you? Well, as a Karen, I just have to say — that is peak Karen behavior.

    Given the self-referential possibilities I wasn’t sure whether that was from her or it was Steve’s conclusion accidentally stuck in the blockquote (perhaps this was Steve’s intent since she offered such a good straight line?).

    Exactly how much oppression is she feeling while lecturing us from the platform of the Washington Post?

  62. @Arclight
    I don't mind that there is a pop culture term for the perceived stereotypical white female busybody. On the other hand, if anyone tried to come up with a term for the stereotypical black female they would be condemned left and right, even if people know it's just as accurate as the Karens and Beckys of the world.

    I guess part of white privilege is the expectation that you can take the brickbats without demanding apologies in the pages of our most prominent publications.

    I don’t mind that there is a pop culture term for the perceived stereotypical white female busybody.

    I like it…

    Sen. Karen Warren
    Sen. Karen Klobuchar
    Sen. Karen Gillibrand
    Gov. Karen Whitmer
    Sec. Karen Clinton

    Etc. etc. etc.

    • Replies: @Arclight
    Nice - you have to admit, they are all variations on the same theme. The lefties who were baffled about Clinton being unpopular are in turn totally blindsided by the lack of interest in the candidacies of Gillibrand and Warren. Why won't the nation at large vote for these upper class white ladies from solidly Dem East Coast states?!
  63. @TheMediumIsTheMassage

    Take Becky, for example: It was rapper Sir Mix-a-Lot’s 1992 song “Baby Got Back,” in which a white girl, disgusted by the shape of a black woman’s body, talks behind the black woman’s back to her friend Becky.
     
    So a skit created by a black man as part of the video promotion for his song is responsible for that slur. Does the author realize that the white girl in that video was just reading lines and wasn't *actually* disgusted by the black woman's body?

    “hip-hop, rap and remix culture”

    Remix is rip-off culture.

  64. @Jack D
    Much of black employment is the result of government preference and Affirmative Action pressure on private sector employers. Many of these jobs (esp. the government ones) should be considered as welfare in disguise. The productivity of the black employees is often less than their wages but they are kept on anyway because their employers would be sued if they were fired. So to say, "look at the statistics, blacks are employed almost as much as whites" is to ignore the elephant in the room which is the massive government thumb on the scale.

    Perhaps most blacks are capable of work but many of them are mismatched with their jobs at every level due to AA. The black lawyers should be school teachers and the school teachers should be secretaries and the secretaries should be cleaning houses and the house cleaners should be picking cotton but their aren't any cotton picking jobs anymore.

    You pretty much nailed black achievement.

  65. @BB753
    Black Karen forgot to mention how great her hair looks. She must spend a thousand bux a month to keep it so fabulous and straight.

    Black Karen has Becky hair. When are barbershops opening up?

    • LOL: Bardon Kaldian
  66. @Jack D
    Much of black employment is the result of government preference and Affirmative Action pressure on private sector employers. Many of these jobs (esp. the government ones) should be considered as welfare in disguise. The productivity of the black employees is often less than their wages but they are kept on anyway because their employers would be sued if they were fired. So to say, "look at the statistics, blacks are employed almost as much as whites" is to ignore the elephant in the room which is the massive government thumb on the scale.

    Perhaps most blacks are capable of work but many of them are mismatched with their jobs at every level due to AA. The black lawyers should be school teachers and the school teachers should be secretaries and the secretaries should be cleaning houses and the house cleaners should be picking cotton but their aren't any cotton picking jobs anymore.

    Much of black employment is the result of government preference and Affirmative Action pressure on private sector employers. M

    I’ve gone over the numbers with you multiple times in the past. You have never offered a valid response. You just repeat this meme at a later date, because liar. For the record, 14% of all employees are to be found in the public sector. About 18% of federal civilian and military employees are black. The Census Bureau calculated in 2010 that blacks account for about 18% of low wage local government employment and about 11% of high wage local government employment. The Bureau of Labor Statistics sectoral enumerations recently said blacks account for about 17.5% of those employed in ‘public administration’ (which accounts for about 1/3 of all government employment. Their stake in other sectors which have ample government employment are 11% for educational services, 18% for health care, 20% for ‘social assistance’, postal service (25%), and utilities (9.7%). You see the same proportions in a variety of venues. About 18% of public sector workers are black. Given the ratio of black workers to non-black workers in the economy as a whole, the excess of black workers amounts to 6.5% of the public sector workforce, or about 1.4 million workers. That’s 7% of the total population of working blacks, a great many of them employed in the same sorts of things they’re hired to do by private sector employers: deliver mail, deliver parcels, work in cafeterias, and help elderly people in the loo.

    Your thesis is inane. From 1877 to 1941, official favors extended to the black population sum to zero. Over the succeeding 23 years, they sum to very little of consequence in regard to the labor market. Yet, somehow blacks earn a living sufficient to sustain themselves demographically. You saw the same patterns on either side of the color bar over those years occurring at about the same pace: the redistribution of labor from the agricultural sector to services and industry, greater literacy and more time devoted to formal schooling, rural to urban migration, improved life expectancy, &c. What do you fancy was going on? That some shadowy cabal was operating a vast patronage mill that’s just slipped everyone’s mind?

    Quit lying to yourself, and quit lying to others.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    Have you actually ever talked to a human being, or significantly interacted with anyone outside of your library cubicle?

    You could be replaced with a random number generator.
    , @Jack D

    Yet, somehow blacks earn a living sufficient to sustain themselves demographically
     
    Before the government intervened, blacks in America were as poor as church mice. To the extent that they were not sharecroppers, they earned a living as menials - ditch diggers, house maids, janitors, etc. There was a small talented tenth that did somewhat better but for the vast majority of blacks this was the employment for which they were best suited in a market economy. As America industrialized (and the '24 Immigration Act closed the doors to Southern and Eastern European immigrants), Northern industrialists such as Ford sought out blacks as cheap labor but they were concentrated on the low skilled end of assembly line work and in hot and dangerous tasks such as foundry work. It's not widely understood by those outside the auto industry that there was always a division of labor between skilled (sometimes highly skilled such as tool and die makers) and unskilled labor in Detroit (and in industry in general), with most blacks falling on the unskilled side of the equation.

    There are some areas of the country where there aren't that many blacks to begin with so they are in no position to dominate government employment in those areas. OTOH, in places like Washington DC, virtually the entire workforce of their mass transit agency is black. You also have to take into account not just the black government workforce but the additional hiring by the private sector of unqualified blacks due to government pressure. Woe betide any large corporation whose workforce does not at least match the % of blacks in the population. Disparate impact lawsuit, here we come!

    , @Milesglorious
    Very impressive,but 100%of your numbers are employed in my neck of the woods
  67. @Art Deco
    Much of black employment is the result of government preference and Affirmative Action pressure on private sector employers. M

    I've gone over the numbers with you multiple times in the past. You have never offered a valid response. You just repeat this meme at a later date, because liar. For the record, 14% of all employees are to be found in the public sector. About 18% of federal civilian and military employees are black. The Census Bureau calculated in 2010 that blacks account for about 18% of low wage local government employment and about 11% of high wage local government employment. The Bureau of Labor Statistics sectoral enumerations recently said blacks account for about 17.5% of those employed in 'public administration' (which accounts for about 1/3 of all government employment. Their stake in other sectors which have ample government employment are 11% for educational services, 18% for health care, 20% for 'social assistance', postal service (25%), and utilities (9.7%). You see the same proportions in a variety of venues. About 18% of public sector workers are black. Given the ratio of black workers to non-black workers in the economy as a whole, the excess of black workers amounts to 6.5% of the public sector workforce, or about 1.4 million workers. That's 7% of the total population of working blacks, a great many of them employed in the same sorts of things they're hired to do by private sector employers: deliver mail, deliver parcels, work in cafeterias, and help elderly people in the loo.


    Your thesis is inane. From 1877 to 1941, official favors extended to the black population sum to zero. Over the succeeding 23 years, they sum to very little of consequence in regard to the labor market. Yet, somehow blacks earn a living sufficient to sustain themselves demographically. You saw the same patterns on either side of the color bar over those years occurring at about the same pace: the redistribution of labor from the agricultural sector to services and industry, greater literacy and more time devoted to formal schooling, rural to urban migration, improved life expectancy, &c. What do you fancy was going on? That some shadowy cabal was operating a vast patronage mill that's just slipped everyone's mind?

    Quit lying to yourself, and quit lying to others.

    Have you actually ever talked to a human being, or significantly interacted with anyone outside of your library cubicle?

    You could be replaced with a random number generator.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    He manufactures witless caricatures of people, and your response is to accuse me of being disengaged from the world. I can tell you're a fountainhead of wisdom.
  68. LET’S TALK ABOUT MY HAIR!!

  69. @black sea

    we still learn about black people being arrested or assaulted because a white woman called the police unnecessarily.
     
    People are rarely arrested or assaulted because someone called the police "unnecessarily."

    Contacting the police to check a situation out is not the same as accusing someone of a crime. If the person whom the police are checking out reacts in a reasonable manner, and if they actually aren't committing a crime, then probably they will be left to go about their business. If they react by going apesh*t, particularly when they are committing a crime, then the chance of being arrested or "assaulted" does increase.

    A lot of this just stems from the fact that blacks and whites tend to see issues involving acceptable behavior, rule-breaking, the criminal justice system, and so forth in very different ways.

    A lot of this just stems from the fact that blacks and whites tend to see issues involving acceptable behavior, rule-breaking, the criminal justice system, and so forth in very different ways.

    Excellent sentence black sea.

    This grabs at the essential incoherence and evil of minoritarianism. At root you can have *only one* set of norms for a nation.

    If minorities want to be allowed to even exist in a nation they must accept that. I.e. that their norms apply only to them and are subservient to the nation’s people’s norms–i.e. the public norms. Blacks used to accept this even if they chaffed against it personally routinely.

    But this basic logical reality irks the Jews, and with the rise of the Jews we’ve had powerful, verbally facile people working overtime to overthrow the majority’s norms. And unfortunately with their low tribalism, high affective empathy and Christian universalism white gentiles were suckers for this minoritarian propaganda.

    Minoritarianism is the poison root of the mess we’re in.

  70. anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:

    What, a whole article by a black female with no digression into hair? Black females are wary of white women because the whites are intrinsically better looking and more attractive. A black female who acts arrogantly is called strong and other complimentary terms. Just don’t have someone white do so. This writer just proves the rule that blacks are incapable of writing about anything but themselves. They are totally self-absorbed. Reading them or listening to anything they have to say is just a waste of time. Leave it to the MSM to always give these malcontents a platform.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    Makes one think.....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy3qG_Us2IA
  71. @JimDandy
    This creates a nice excuse to mention once again that witness testimony (including black witnesses) indicates that Till sexually assaulted the white female victim. A biographer later claimed that the victim admitted that the she lied, but the evidence shows that the biographer was clearly lying. The "murdered because he was black" narrative is reductive. Till messed with the wrong married woman. It seems that the white female victim tried, and failed, to keep the truth from her highly protective husband.

    If anybody knows a based history of Emmett Till, please let me know.

    Or a skeptical, iStevey history of basically anything.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    Hypnotoad666 replied to a comment I made some time back, and he assembles links and excerpts and summary from things I've read in a pretty good and concise way:

    JimDandy

    "It is now regularly reported as fact that Bryant lied when she said Till grabbed her and spoke in a lewd, threatening manner to her. Why? Well, because historian Timothy Tyson said she admitted it during a taped interview. Alas: “It is true that that part is not on tape because I was setting up the tape recorder,” Tyson said."

    Carolyn Bryant’s testimony about Hill touching/assaulting her was legally irrelevant to the case and wasn’t even made in front of the jury. (Obviously, you don’t get to kill someone in cold blood even if he did lay hands on your wife.) But the NYT and its ilk have nevertheless been desperate to minimize that aspect of the story ever since 1955.

    It was not until 2017, just when Tyson needed publicity for an upcoming book that he “remembered” that Carolyn Bryant had supposedly recanted nine years earlier in a 2008 interview. Tyson knew Bryant was senile by then and wasn’t going to come out of obscurity to contradict him anyway. And even if she had made a contradictory statement over half a century after the fact, it wouldn’t have meant she was lying in her original sworn testimony.

    But The New York Times with its characteristic lack of journalistic integrity trumpeted the uncorroborated, second-hand hearsay report of a financially interested party as proof positive that Bryant had committed perjury 62 years before. In return for supplying this revelation to the NYT, they promoted the hell out of Tyson’s book, making it a best-seller.

    Nevertheless, it’s about 100% certain that Tyson is lying.

    Timothy Tyson’s book on Emmett Till became a bestseller thanks to the bombshell quote he attributed to Carolyn Bryant Donham — that she lied when she testified about Till accosting her.

    Donham’s daughter-in-law, Marsha Bryant, who was present for the two tape-recorded interviews Tyson did with Donham, said her mother-in-law “never recanted.”

    Adding to the intrigue is the fact the quote Tyson attributed to Donham isn’t on the recordings. https://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2018/08/21/emmett-till-carolyn-bryant-donham-recant-quote-missing/1017876002/

    You’d think someone who was interested in documenting facts might have asked his subject to, you know, repeat her statement once the tape recorder was up and running. But I guess I’m just unschooled in the ways of history and journalism.

    By the way, another fun fact that never gets mentioned is that it was actually one of the black kids who witnessed the event (possibly Emmett’s cousin), who snitched on Emmett.

    Carolyn told her sister-in-law, Juanita, who was in the back of the store with their children, what had happened. They agreed not to tell their husbands, who were out of town on a trucking job. When Roy and J. W. returned, one of the kids at the scene told them what had occurred. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/emmett-biography-roy-carolyn-bryant-and-jw-milam/

    Perhaps the snitch exaggerated because he had it in for Emmett. Or maybe the incident was actually pretty outrageous. But no one seems to have been curious enough to track down the actual witnesses over the last 64 years.

    The murder and acquittal were obviously a travesty. But just the same, it isn’t the quintessential civil rights martyrdom story that everyone makes it out to be. At the end of the day, it was a private dispute about jealousy and revenge. Despite the racial dynamics, Till is hardly the first or last person to end up dead because he hit on the wrong guy’s wife.

  72. Blah blah,all I read from black spawn-of-invaders millennial narcissist Karen was “looks at muh!LOOKS at muh relaxed hurr u yt debbils!”

  73. @Rosie
    This anti-Karen crap feels so contrived to me. The truth of the matter is that black women and White women get along fine. We don't go to the same churches or bars or movies, but as long as you don't steal their men, we get along fine, and even have fun together in the office and at the gym or whatever.

    Maybe they just really can't stand condescending liberal NWLs who talk to them like they're idiots. (Wasn't there a study about that?) If so, I can't say I blame them.

    This anti-Karen crap feels so contrived to me. The truth of the matter is that black women and White women get along fine.

    Well at least one white woman is still on the bus, still putting their carefully nurtured feminist grievance against men first and foremost.

    (Of course you’re absolutely nuts if you think your black women friends put the sisterhood first–or care about it at all.)

    • Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax
    As black women tried to explain to their angry and confused white sisters after the OJ verdict: Race trumps gender.

    Not so, for white women.
    , @Rosie

    Well at least one white woman is still on the bus, still putting their carefully nurtured feminist grievance against men first and foremost.

    (Of course you’re absolutely nuts if you think your black women friends put the sisterhood first–or care about it at all.)
     

    Good grief. What on Earth are you banging on about?

    Yes, sisterhood is very real, and it's best enjoyed precisely when we honor each other's boundaries and particular identities. I'm pro-White. That doesn't mean I have to be anti-black.

  74. @Art Deco
    Much of black employment is the result of government preference and Affirmative Action pressure on private sector employers. M

    I've gone over the numbers with you multiple times in the past. You have never offered a valid response. You just repeat this meme at a later date, because liar. For the record, 14% of all employees are to be found in the public sector. About 18% of federal civilian and military employees are black. The Census Bureau calculated in 2010 that blacks account for about 18% of low wage local government employment and about 11% of high wage local government employment. The Bureau of Labor Statistics sectoral enumerations recently said blacks account for about 17.5% of those employed in 'public administration' (which accounts for about 1/3 of all government employment. Their stake in other sectors which have ample government employment are 11% for educational services, 18% for health care, 20% for 'social assistance', postal service (25%), and utilities (9.7%). You see the same proportions in a variety of venues. About 18% of public sector workers are black. Given the ratio of black workers to non-black workers in the economy as a whole, the excess of black workers amounts to 6.5% of the public sector workforce, or about 1.4 million workers. That's 7% of the total population of working blacks, a great many of them employed in the same sorts of things they're hired to do by private sector employers: deliver mail, deliver parcels, work in cafeterias, and help elderly people in the loo.


    Your thesis is inane. From 1877 to 1941, official favors extended to the black population sum to zero. Over the succeeding 23 years, they sum to very little of consequence in regard to the labor market. Yet, somehow blacks earn a living sufficient to sustain themselves demographically. You saw the same patterns on either side of the color bar over those years occurring at about the same pace: the redistribution of labor from the agricultural sector to services and industry, greater literacy and more time devoted to formal schooling, rural to urban migration, improved life expectancy, &c. What do you fancy was going on? That some shadowy cabal was operating a vast patronage mill that's just slipped everyone's mind?

    Quit lying to yourself, and quit lying to others.

    Yet, somehow blacks earn a living sufficient to sustain themselves demographically

    Before the government intervened, blacks in America were as poor as church mice. To the extent that they were not sharecroppers, they earned a living as menials – ditch diggers, house maids, janitors, etc. There was a small talented tenth that did somewhat better but for the vast majority of blacks this was the employment for which they were best suited in a market economy. As America industrialized (and the ’24 Immigration Act closed the doors to Southern and Eastern European immigrants), Northern industrialists such as Ford sought out blacks as cheap labor but they were concentrated on the low skilled end of assembly line work and in hot and dangerous tasks such as foundry work. It’s not widely understood by those outside the auto industry that there was always a division of labor between skilled (sometimes highly skilled such as tool and die makers) and unskilled labor in Detroit (and in industry in general), with most blacks falling on the unskilled side of the equation.

    There are some areas of the country where there aren’t that many blacks to begin with so they are in no position to dominate government employment in those areas. OTOH, in places like Washington DC, virtually the entire workforce of their mass transit agency is black. You also have to take into account not just the black government workforce but the additional hiring by the private sector of unqualified blacks due to government pressure. Woe betide any large corporation whose workforce does not at least match the % of blacks in the population. Disparate impact lawsuit, here we come!

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
    Most jobs are make-work, busy-work jobs. Anybody could do them. Your ass could do them. So all this "qualified-unqualified" stuff is just guff. Why do people have to work at all. Now there's a real hoax. The "work or starve" lie.
    , @Art Deco
    Before the government intervened, blacks in America were as poor as church mice.

    They weren't. They were less affluent than whites. Personal income per capita among blacks in 1960 was about 1/2 that of the non black population.


    To the extent that they were not sharecroppers, they earned a living as menials – ditch diggers, house maids, janitors, etc.

    Again, about 80% had departed the agricultural sector by 1940. About 40% of the black heads of households listed their occupation as some variant of 'farmer', 'laborer', or 'servant' in the 1940 census. About 12% of the black female population worked as domestics; they accounted for about 1/3 of the women in the U.S. so employed.

    Between 1915 and 1970, the share of the black population living in the South fell from about 90% to about 55%. Is it really your contention they were migrating north to find work as farm hands and maids? From 1880 to 1920 the population in agriculture grew more slowly than the population employed in industry and services, so the proportion was declining. After 1920, you had an exodus from the agricultural economy, with employment therein declining in absolute numbers among black and white alike. As for domestic servants, they accounted for less than 5% of the working population by 1940.


    I have to say, I've never encountered anyone whose understanding of how the world works is such that he attributes to a federal agency with a contextually small budget (and the EEOC's budget is currently under $400 million, or sofa change in the world of federal expenditure) the capacity to extensively restructure a labor market with a nine-digit population of participants and persuade employers to systematically hire people to operate machinery or do desk work when they should really be digging ditches and pushing a mop. (Clarence Thomas had a description in his memoir of daily life at the EEOC as it was at the time he assumed command of the agency. Recommended for people who fancy the EEOC is a colossus).
    , @Hibernian
    My paternal grandfather was a tool and die maker for a printing press manufacturing company in Chicago. He had some college, at a junior college. That was very rare at the time (1920s).
  75. I have the opposite experience. It’s black women that are trouble; and the Karens are LaKarens. Whenever I have to call a customer service line and I hear a black woman’s voice on the other end, I’m tempted to hang up and call back until I get someone else.

  76. @AnotherDad

    This anti-Karen crap feels so contrived to me. The truth of the matter is that black women and White women get along fine.
     
    Well at least one white woman is still on the bus, still putting their carefully nurtured feminist grievance against men first and foremost.

    (Of course you're absolutely nuts if you think your black women friends put the sisterhood first--or care about it at all.)

    As black women tried to explain to their angry and confused white sisters after the OJ verdict: Race trumps gender.

    Not so, for white women.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    As black women tried to explain to their angry and confused white sisters after the OJ verdict: Race trumps gender.

    Not so, for white women.
     
    That is false. Every line of evidence you look at (voting, survey responses, dating habits) ndicates that White women identify more with their race than their sex.

    Anyway, regarding the OJ verdict, go back and read my original post, especially the part about not stealing their men.
  77. My cousin, who died because a judge could not be found to OK an abortion to save her life (they didn’t know which hole he was on), was named Becky. Fuck you people who use her beautiful name as a slur.

    • Replies: @anon
    My cousin, who died because a judge could not be found to OK an abortion to save her life (they didn’t know which hole he was on), was named Becky.

    My condolences for your cousin's death. When did this happen?
  78. I’ve got to say the mainstreaming of the “Becky” and “Karen” insults is … great!

    Without going full Whiskey, white women have become a disaster. Being compliant they have swilled up the minoritarian propaganda pumped out by the educational system and particularly Hollyweird. Jewish feminism’s narrative of women as an “oppressed” minority–an absolute laugher for American women–peeled off a large tranche into whiny (deeply unpleasant, sometimes even Subaru driving) victimhood.

    Most white women who eventually marry and have children come around–somewhat. But overall white women are the Achilles heel of whites getting their shit together and saving their nations.

    ~

    But what we’ve seen the past few years is that the fringes–sensing demographic victory– just can not help themselves from doing pre-mature victory dances.

    The Brett Stevens style Jews now feel free to shout from the roof tops how much they really do hate those useless white proles and yes really do want to see them replaced. The NYT mainstreams all the anti-white hate of the “oppressed” Asian girls. Hillary blew the election by exposing her feels with one word–“deplorables”. And blacks–black women in particular–are letting their true feelings about the (admittedly) annoying good-white-ladies rip.

    It’s great!

    Hopefully more and more white women are waking up to reality. Hey … i’m white. And i love my white husband who–despite his checkbox list of faults–is good to me. Or i want to have a white husband. I love my white kids–or want to have some white kids–and want a good life and pleasant prosperous future for them.

    • Thanks: MBlanc46
    • Replies: @peterike

    Hopefully more and more white women are waking up to reality.

     

    Doubt it. I bet right now you could find 50 million white women who think that Trump literally told people to inject themselves with Clorox.
    , @Rosie

    But overall white women are the Achilles heel of whites getting their shit together and saving their nations.
     
    Liar. The disloyal globalist plutocracy is your Achilles Heel.

    Rich White men hate, hate, hate working-class White men.

    https://time.com/5343074/libre-koch-congress-immigration/

    , @OscarWildeLoveChild
    Never seen a post of yours that I did not agree with 100 percent. Sounds like we both made the rounds on DadsDivorce many years ago or were sensitive to those issues way back when. Were you also a fan of Dalrock and Rollo?

    I totally agree with everything you said. How nice it would be to run into a white (racially conscious) woman as you suggest. I have on a few occasions, but they are usually in their late 40s and long married (the cure). Where are these younger women who stick with WM when challenged, in college or at the workplace?
  79. As a millennial black Karen, and a child of immigrants….

    And there you go.

    This woman is stereotyping other people with no serious basis for doing so. Well two can play at that game. Karen Attiah belongs to a race with insanely high rates of crime and that has yet to produce a single modern, prosperous, democratic country. She chooses to live not in one of the 40 or so nations with black majorities, but in a white country that has always been white and that never imported any significant number of slaves. I’ll start listening to their views on how to run a country when they can manage an invention at least a little more significant than peanut butter or the Super Soaker.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Black people (and specifically George Washington Carver) did NOT invent peanut butter. A white Anglo-Canadian , Marcellus G. Edson, did, in 1884, decades before Carver began his peanut work. Carver supposedly invented hundreds uses for the peanut, most of them not really useful (peanut insulation, peanut paper, peanut wall board, peanut wood stain, peanut soap, peanut shaving cream, etc.) but peanut butter was not one of them.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3b/US306727_Manufacture_of_Peanut_Candy.png

    The "secret" to making peanut butter according to his patent is that the grindstone has to be heated to around 100F or you get peanut flour and not peanut butter. Edson figured that the main use for peanut butter would be for making a sort of Butter Fingers type peanut candy.
  80. Hmmm…

    Let’s see if I got this right: if the author’s parents had named her “Rebecca” instead of Karen, she would have no beef about her name being an unkind racial stereotype.

    Of course she wouldn’t fit that bad “Becky” stereotype herself, but that’s fate. She could change her first name or just continue to hate her parents for that. Or perhaps merely argue in the Washington Post that Karen is the appropriate racial slur while “Becky” is okay. “Me Becky, Me Black, Me child of Immigrants, Me Okay.”

    But instead, Karen good, Becky bad. And that’s because, as a commentator here explains, of an old rap video where the black rappers call a white actress “Becky” because the white actress makes an unkind scripted remark about a black actress’s large butt. Which the rappers actually like and rap about in the video.

    No wonder racial harmony is so elusive!

  81. @Jack D

    Yet, somehow blacks earn a living sufficient to sustain themselves demographically
     
    Before the government intervened, blacks in America were as poor as church mice. To the extent that they were not sharecroppers, they earned a living as menials - ditch diggers, house maids, janitors, etc. There was a small talented tenth that did somewhat better but for the vast majority of blacks this was the employment for which they were best suited in a market economy. As America industrialized (and the '24 Immigration Act closed the doors to Southern and Eastern European immigrants), Northern industrialists such as Ford sought out blacks as cheap labor but they were concentrated on the low skilled end of assembly line work and in hot and dangerous tasks such as foundry work. It's not widely understood by those outside the auto industry that there was always a division of labor between skilled (sometimes highly skilled such as tool and die makers) and unskilled labor in Detroit (and in industry in general), with most blacks falling on the unskilled side of the equation.

    There are some areas of the country where there aren't that many blacks to begin with so they are in no position to dominate government employment in those areas. OTOH, in places like Washington DC, virtually the entire workforce of their mass transit agency is black. You also have to take into account not just the black government workforce but the additional hiring by the private sector of unqualified blacks due to government pressure. Woe betide any large corporation whose workforce does not at least match the % of blacks in the population. Disparate impact lawsuit, here we come!

    Most jobs are make-work, busy-work jobs. Anybody could do them. Your ass could do them. So all this “qualified-unqualified” stuff is just guff. Why do people have to work at all. Now there’s a real hoax. The “work or starve” lie.

    • Replies: @peterike

    Why do people have to work at all. Now there’s a real hoax. The “work or starve” lie.

     

    How very black of you.
    , @Art Deco
    Most jobs are make-work, busy-work jobs.

    If they provided no marginal product for their employer, they'd eventually be eliminated.
  82. @Jack D
    Much of black employment is the result of government preference and Affirmative Action pressure on private sector employers. Many of these jobs (esp. the government ones) should be considered as welfare in disguise. The productivity of the black employees is often less than their wages but they are kept on anyway because their employers would be sued if they were fired. So to say, "look at the statistics, blacks are employed almost as much as whites" is to ignore the elephant in the room which is the massive government thumb on the scale.

    Perhaps most blacks are capable of work but many of them are mismatched with their jobs at every level due to AA. The black lawyers should be school teachers and the school teachers should be secretaries and the secretaries should be cleaning houses and the house cleaners should be picking cotton but their aren't any cotton picking jobs anymore.

    Sadly, you are correct about most employees today. Take a look at our federal government in the last 20-30 years for example. Would anyone hire any of them for job better than Regional Sales Manager for a vacuum cleaner company?

  83. @AnotherDad

    This anti-Karen crap feels so contrived to me. The truth of the matter is that black women and White women get along fine.
     
    Well at least one white woman is still on the bus, still putting their carefully nurtured feminist grievance against men first and foremost.

    (Of course you're absolutely nuts if you think your black women friends put the sisterhood first--or care about it at all.)

    Well at least one white woman is still on the bus, still putting their carefully nurtured feminist grievance against men first and foremost.

    (Of course you’re absolutely nuts if you think your black women friends put the sisterhood first–or care about it at all.)

    Good grief. What on Earth are you banging on about?

    Yes, sisterhood is very real, and it’s best enjoyed precisely when we honor each other’s boundaries and particular identities. I’m pro-White. That doesn’t mean I have to be anti-black.

    • Replies: @peterike

    I’m pro-White. That doesn’t mean I have to be anti-black.

     

    You don't understand how the world works.
  84. @Wilkey

    As a millennial black Karen, and a child of immigrants....
     
    And there you go.

    This woman is stereotyping other people with no serious basis for doing so. Well two can play at that game. Karen Attiah belongs to a race with insanely high rates of crime and that has yet to produce a single modern, prosperous, democratic country. She chooses to live not in one of the 40 or so nations with black majorities, but in a white country that has always been white and that never imported any significant number of slaves. I’ll start listening to their views on how to run a country when they can manage an invention at least a little more significant than peanut butter or the Super Soaker.

    Black people (and specifically George Washington Carver) did NOT invent peanut butter. A white Anglo-Canadian , Marcellus G. Edson, did, in 1884, decades before Carver began his peanut work. Carver supposedly invented hundreds uses for the peanut, most of them not really useful (peanut insulation, peanut paper, peanut wall board, peanut wood stain, peanut soap, peanut shaving cream, etc.) but peanut butter was not one of them.

    The “secret” to making peanut butter according to his patent is that the grindstone has to be heated to around 100F or you get peanut flour and not peanut butter. Edson figured that the main use for peanut butter would be for making a sort of Butter Fingers type peanut candy.

  85. One wonders how much of identity politics is a way of repudiating Christianity. As I understand it, in most Christian sects, the sacrament of baptism affords the remission of sins, so that, for example in non-Anabaptist sects, a newly baptized baby is forgiven the sin of Adam. When the USA was still semi-governed by its putative constitution, the “corruption of blood” clause performed a similar function. The USA Supreme Court rejected this clause however in its affirmative action and race cases preferring observer that whites are born in sin and must spend their lives doing penance for their existence. Emily Till is the new Adam, but in our illiterate world of college-indoctrinated elites there will be no remission of sin. “Ye whites be sinners and must be made to atone” is the organizing principle of USA society.

  86. @AnotherDad
    I've got to say the mainstreaming of the "Becky" and "Karen" insults is ... great!

    Without going full Whiskey, white women have become a disaster. Being compliant they have swilled up the minoritarian propaganda pumped out by the educational system and particularly Hollyweird. Jewish feminism's narrative of women as an "oppressed" minority--an absolute laugher for American women--peeled off a large tranche into whiny (deeply unpleasant, sometimes even Subaru driving) victimhood.

    Most white women who eventually marry and have children come around--somewhat. But overall white women are the Achilles heel of whites getting their shit together and saving their nations.

    ~

    But what we've seen the past few years is that the fringes--sensing demographic victory-- just can not help themselves from doing pre-mature victory dances.

    The Brett Stevens style Jews now feel free to shout from the roof tops how much they really do hate those useless white proles and yes really do want to see them replaced. The NYT mainstreams all the anti-white hate of the "oppressed" Asian girls. Hillary blew the election by exposing her feels with one word--"deplorables". And blacks--black women in particular--are letting their true feelings about the (admittedly) annoying good-white-ladies rip.

    It's great!

    Hopefully more and more white women are waking up to reality. Hey ... i'm white. And i love my white husband who--despite his checkbox list of faults--is good to me. Or i want to have a white husband. I love my white kids--or want to have some white kids--and want a good life and pleasant prosperous future for them.

    Hopefully more and more white women are waking up to reality.

    Doubt it. I bet right now you could find 50 million white women who think that Trump literally told people to inject themselves with Clorox.

  87. @Anon

    “[My mother] told me that if I ever thought in terms of limitations others had set for me, I would be a limited person. My mother was right. She never allowed me to see my I.Q. score. It wasn’t until much later that I discovered I had tested below average.”

    Mushroom: The Story of the A-Bomb Kid by John Aristotle Phillips and David Michaelis (William Morrow, 1978), p. 25.
     

    John Aristotle Phillips studied physics and engineering at Princeton (Freeman Dyson was his advisor). His father was an engineering professor at Yale. After graduating from Princeton Phillips went into tech in San Francisco and is now a CEO of a tech company specializing in tracking voter trends for political campaigns.

    Phillips became known when as an undergraduate physics student wrote a term paper where he was able to layout a working A-Bomb design from publicly available information.

    https://people.com/archive/a-princeton-tiger-designs-an-atomic-bomb-in-a-physics-class-vol-6-no-17/

    Either there was a machine scoring error on the test or he was just lying. In the old days (say, about 1962 when I took my first IQ test) when a substantial part of an IQ test was vocabulary testing, some natively intelligent people got low scores; however, that’s not likely in Mr. Phillips’ case with his family background. A Yale engineering professor is not going to be an “I used to not be able to spell Ing – Uh – Near, but now I are one.” type of engineer.

    Or else his idea of a low score is one slightly below Einstein’s. Or he had a learning disability which he later magically overcame.

    • Replies: @captflee
    Or, he could have skipped one line in the test, rendering all the following correct answers incorrect, as I once learned to my chagrin.
    , @res
    I wonder what kind of SAT scores got him into Princeton. He also doesn't say how old he was when IQ tested.

    P.S. He was born in 1955 so may very well have taken the IQ test around the same time as you.
    , @Bill Jones
    Jordan Peterson tells the tale of a friend who whines about being such an under-achiever compared to his college room-mate. It took some digging to learn that the room-mate was Elon Musk.
  88. @Rosie

    Well at least one white woman is still on the bus, still putting their carefully nurtured feminist grievance against men first and foremost.

    (Of course you’re absolutely nuts if you think your black women friends put the sisterhood first–or care about it at all.)
     

    Good grief. What on Earth are you banging on about?

    Yes, sisterhood is very real, and it's best enjoyed precisely when we honor each other's boundaries and particular identities. I'm pro-White. That doesn't mean I have to be anti-black.

    I’m pro-White. That doesn’t mean I have to be anti-black.

    You don’t understand how the world works.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    You don’t understand how the world works.
     
    Yes, I do. Sometimes, there are conflicts of interest that no amount of goodwill can paper over. Still, there is no reason to give in to irrational hatred. White people are in existential peril, and black women have little or nothing to do with that.
  89. @obwandiyag
    Most jobs are make-work, busy-work jobs. Anybody could do them. Your ass could do them. So all this "qualified-unqualified" stuff is just guff. Why do people have to work at all. Now there's a real hoax. The "work or starve" lie.

    Why do people have to work at all. Now there’s a real hoax. The “work or starve” lie.

    How very black of you.

  90. @Jack D

    Yet, somehow blacks earn a living sufficient to sustain themselves demographically
     
    Before the government intervened, blacks in America were as poor as church mice. To the extent that they were not sharecroppers, they earned a living as menials - ditch diggers, house maids, janitors, etc. There was a small talented tenth that did somewhat better but for the vast majority of blacks this was the employment for which they were best suited in a market economy. As America industrialized (and the '24 Immigration Act closed the doors to Southern and Eastern European immigrants), Northern industrialists such as Ford sought out blacks as cheap labor but they were concentrated on the low skilled end of assembly line work and in hot and dangerous tasks such as foundry work. It's not widely understood by those outside the auto industry that there was always a division of labor between skilled (sometimes highly skilled such as tool and die makers) and unskilled labor in Detroit (and in industry in general), with most blacks falling on the unskilled side of the equation.

    There are some areas of the country where there aren't that many blacks to begin with so they are in no position to dominate government employment in those areas. OTOH, in places like Washington DC, virtually the entire workforce of their mass transit agency is black. You also have to take into account not just the black government workforce but the additional hiring by the private sector of unqualified blacks due to government pressure. Woe betide any large corporation whose workforce does not at least match the % of blacks in the population. Disparate impact lawsuit, here we come!

    Before the government intervened, blacks in America were as poor as church mice.

    They weren’t. They were less affluent than whites. Personal income per capita among blacks in 1960 was about 1/2 that of the non black population.

    To the extent that they were not sharecroppers, they earned a living as menials – ditch diggers, house maids, janitors, etc.

    Again, about 80% had departed the agricultural sector by 1940. About 40% of the black heads of households listed their occupation as some variant of ‘farmer’, ‘laborer’, or ‘servant’ in the 1940 census. About 12% of the black female population worked as domestics; they accounted for about 1/3 of the women in the U.S. so employed.

    Between 1915 and 1970, the share of the black population living in the South fell from about 90% to about 55%. Is it really your contention they were migrating north to find work as farm hands and maids? From 1880 to 1920 the population in agriculture grew more slowly than the population employed in industry and services, so the proportion was declining. After 1920, you had an exodus from the agricultural economy, with employment therein declining in absolute numbers among black and white alike. As for domestic servants, they accounted for less than 5% of the working population by 1940.

    I have to say, I’ve never encountered anyone whose understanding of how the world works is such that he attributes to a federal agency with a contextually small budget (and the EEOC’s budget is currently under $400 million, or sofa change in the world of federal expenditure) the capacity to extensively restructure a labor market with a nine-digit population of participants and persuade employers to systematically hire people to operate machinery or do desk work when they should really be digging ditches and pushing a mop. (Clarence Thomas had a description in his memoir of daily life at the EEOC as it was at the time he assumed command of the agency. Recommended for people who fancy the EEOC is a colossus).

    • Replies: @Jack D
    https://www.hcamag.com/us/news/general/10-of-the-biggest-eeoc-settlements-ever/156010

    And yet they can extort up to $250 million from a single employer who is insufficiently zealous about promoting blacks.

    I already said that following WWI, blacks were extensively employed as labor in Northern industries, but predominantly in low end positions for which little intelligence was required (and this was reflected in their incomes which were half that of white people as you say). Their income would probably have remained at approximately 50% of average white income were it not for the massive government interventions in the market. The average American in 1960 was pretty poor by 2020 standards (they lived in a little 1100 sf. Levittown house, the family owned a single car without air conditioning and one blurry B&W TV) so I think it is fair to say that someone who lived at half that standard (shotgun shack or slum apartment instead of Levittown house) was as poor as a church mouse.
  91. @obwandiyag
    My cousin, who died because a judge could not be found to OK an abortion to save her life (they didn't know which hole he was on), was named Becky. Fuck you people who use her beautiful name as a slur.

    My cousin, who died because a judge could not be found to OK an abortion to save her life (they didn’t know which hole he was on), was named Becky.

    My condolences for your cousin’s death. When did this happen?

    • Replies: @anonymous
    Mr. Anon, don't bother asking.
  92. @obwandiyag
    Most jobs are make-work, busy-work jobs. Anybody could do them. Your ass could do them. So all this "qualified-unqualified" stuff is just guff. Why do people have to work at all. Now there's a real hoax. The "work or starve" lie.

    Most jobs are make-work, busy-work jobs.

    If they provided no marginal product for their employer, they’d eventually be eliminated.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
    No, they wouldn't. You know nothing about how real corporations work. You just believe all this insanely simple-minded libertarian malarkey. And congratulations on trotting out your "marginal product" jargon to make you sound smart. Here's a clue: classical economics is not smart. It's a sucker's game.
  93. @Jack D

    Yet, somehow blacks earn a living sufficient to sustain themselves demographically
     
    Before the government intervened, blacks in America were as poor as church mice. To the extent that they were not sharecroppers, they earned a living as menials - ditch diggers, house maids, janitors, etc. There was a small talented tenth that did somewhat better but for the vast majority of blacks this was the employment for which they were best suited in a market economy. As America industrialized (and the '24 Immigration Act closed the doors to Southern and Eastern European immigrants), Northern industrialists such as Ford sought out blacks as cheap labor but they were concentrated on the low skilled end of assembly line work and in hot and dangerous tasks such as foundry work. It's not widely understood by those outside the auto industry that there was always a division of labor between skilled (sometimes highly skilled such as tool and die makers) and unskilled labor in Detroit (and in industry in general), with most blacks falling on the unskilled side of the equation.

    There are some areas of the country where there aren't that many blacks to begin with so they are in no position to dominate government employment in those areas. OTOH, in places like Washington DC, virtually the entire workforce of their mass transit agency is black. You also have to take into account not just the black government workforce but the additional hiring by the private sector of unqualified blacks due to government pressure. Woe betide any large corporation whose workforce does not at least match the % of blacks in the population. Disparate impact lawsuit, here we come!

    My paternal grandfather was a tool and die maker for a printing press manufacturing company in Chicago. He had some college, at a junior college. That was very rare at the time (1920s).

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    Not very rare, just atypical.
  94. @Mr. Anon
    Have you actually ever talked to a human being, or significantly interacted with anyone outside of your library cubicle?

    You could be replaced with a random number generator.

    He manufactures witless caricatures of people, and your response is to accuse me of being disengaged from the world. I can tell you’re a fountainhead of wisdom.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    There was nothing witless in Jack D's post. There never is. Unlike you, he is not a supercillious clown.
  95. @Jack D
    Much of black employment is the result of government preference and Affirmative Action pressure on private sector employers. Many of these jobs (esp. the government ones) should be considered as welfare in disguise. The productivity of the black employees is often less than their wages but they are kept on anyway because their employers would be sued if they were fired. So to say, "look at the statistics, blacks are employed almost as much as whites" is to ignore the elephant in the room which is the massive government thumb on the scale.

    Perhaps most blacks are capable of work but many of them are mismatched with their jobs at every level due to AA. The black lawyers should be school teachers and the school teachers should be secretaries and the secretaries should be cleaning houses and the house cleaners should be picking cotton but their aren't any cotton picking jobs anymore.

    to ignore the elephant in the room which is the massive government thumb on the scale.

    Putting that phrasing over reminds me it’s proven that bees can’t fly.

  96. @anonymous
    What, a whole article by a black female with no digression into hair? Black females are wary of white women because the whites are intrinsically better looking and more attractive. A black female who acts arrogantly is called strong and other complimentary terms. Just don't have someone white do so. This writer just proves the rule that blacks are incapable of writing about anything but themselves. They are totally self-absorbed. Reading them or listening to anything they have to say is just a waste of time. Leave it to the MSM to always give these malcontents a platform.

    Makes one think…..

  97. @Reg Cæsar

    Which is part of why segregation was never the incredibly evil thing its been portrayed by commies.
     
    What segregation?


    The 1850 census for South Carolina shows down to the ward in Charleston nearly equal numbers of blacks and whites. That is the opposite of segregation.I

    If you can see them, it's not segregation. If you can smell them, it's integration.

    Vermont-- now that was segregation.


    Bizarrely, the two states had almost equal numbers of free white men. But Vermont had only three districts and five electors, while SC got six districts and eight electors. Somebody counted wrong!

    Such are the results of political compromise. If memory serves, Mr. Harrison ( Va.) initially proposed half. Some at the North demanded all slaves be counted (for direct taxation, especially), some offered three quarters, whether as a measure of comity or desperation I know not. In any event the issue dragged on throughout the life of the Confederation, until the dubious proceedings in Philadelphia produced the Madisonian three fifths, which obtained until done in by the 14th Amendment, whose provenance should not be much investigated if one does not wish to believe that he lives in a bit of a banana republic.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    The three-fifths rule worked against the free states as far as representation went.

    Direct taxation of these creatures made more sense than the fraud of using them for apportionment. Not much different from the half dozen rotten boroughs-- ¿barrios corruptos?-- in California today:


    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2019/04/23/us/politics/noncitizen-pop-us-1555983395740/noncitizen-pop-us-1555983395740-superJumbo.png

    https://cms.qz.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/state_illegal_immigrants_xl2.png?w=1400&strip=all&quality=75
  98. @kihowi
    If anybody knows a based history of Emmett Till, please let me know.

    Or a skeptical, iStevey history of basically anything.

    Hypnotoad666 replied to a comment I made some time back, and he assembles links and excerpts and summary from things I’ve read in a pretty good and concise way:

    JimDandy

    “It is now regularly reported as fact that Bryant lied when she said Till grabbed her and spoke in a lewd, threatening manner to her. Why? Well, because historian Timothy Tyson said she admitted it during a taped interview. Alas: “It is true that that part is not on tape because I was setting up the tape recorder,” Tyson said.”

    Carolyn Bryant’s testimony about Hill touching/assaulting her was legally irrelevant to the case and wasn’t even made in front of the jury. (Obviously, you don’t get to kill someone in cold blood even if he did lay hands on your wife.) But the NYT and its ilk have nevertheless been desperate to minimize that aspect of the story ever since 1955.

    It was not until 2017, just when Tyson needed publicity for an upcoming book that he “remembered” that Carolyn Bryant had supposedly recanted nine years earlier in a 2008 interview. Tyson knew Bryant was senile by then and wasn’t going to come out of obscurity to contradict him anyway. And even if she had made a contradictory statement over half a century after the fact, it wouldn’t have meant she was lying in her original sworn testimony.

    But The New York Times with its characteristic lack of journalistic integrity trumpeted the uncorroborated, second-hand hearsay report of a financially interested party as proof positive that Bryant had committed perjury 62 years before. In return for supplying this revelation to the NYT, they promoted the hell out of Tyson’s book, making it a best-seller.

    Nevertheless, it’s about 100% certain that Tyson is lying.

    Timothy Tyson’s book on Emmett Till became a bestseller thanks to the bombshell quote he attributed to Carolyn Bryant Donham — that she lied when she testified about Till accosting her.

    Donham’s daughter-in-law, Marsha Bryant, who was present for the two tape-recorded interviews Tyson did with Donham, said her mother-in-law “never recanted.”

    Adding to the intrigue is the fact the quote Tyson attributed to Donham isn’t on the recordings. https://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2018/08/21/emmett-till-carolyn-bryant-donham-recant-quote-missing/1017876002/

    You’d think someone who was interested in documenting facts might have asked his subject to, you know, repeat her statement once the tape recorder was up and running. But I guess I’m just unschooled in the ways of history and journalism.

    By the way, another fun fact that never gets mentioned is that it was actually one of the black kids who witnessed the event (possibly Emmett’s cousin), who snitched on Emmett.

    Carolyn told her sister-in-law, Juanita, who was in the back of the store with their children, what had happened. They agreed not to tell their husbands, who were out of town on a trucking job. When Roy and J. W. returned, one of the kids at the scene told them what had occurred. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/emmett-biography-roy-carolyn-bryant-and-jw-milam/

    Perhaps the snitch exaggerated because he had it in for Emmett. Or maybe the incident was actually pretty outrageous. But no one seems to have been curious enough to track down the actual witnesses over the last 64 years.

    The murder and acquittal were obviously a travesty. But just the same, it isn’t the quintessential civil rights martyrdom story that everyone makes it out to be. At the end of the day, it was a private dispute about jealousy and revenge. Despite the racial dynamics, Till is hardly the first or last person to end up dead because he hit on the wrong guy’s wife.

  99. @Hibernian
    Either there was a machine scoring error on the test or he was just lying. In the old days (say, about 1962 when I took my first IQ test) when a substantial part of an IQ test was vocabulary testing, some natively intelligent people got low scores; however, that's not likely in Mr. Phillips' case with his family background. A Yale engineering professor is not going to be an "I used to not be able to spell Ing - Uh - Near, but now I are one." type of engineer.

    Or else his idea of a low score is one slightly below Einstein's. Or he had a learning disability which he later magically overcame.

    Or, he could have skipped one line in the test, rendering all the following correct answers incorrect, as I once learned to my chagrin.

  100. @Sgt. Joe Friday

    I don’t mind that there is a pop culture term for the perceived stereotypical white female busybody.
     
    I like it...

    Sen. Karen Warren
    Sen. Karen Klobuchar
    Sen. Karen Gillibrand
    Gov. Karen Whitmer
    Sec. Karen Clinton

    Etc. etc. etc.

    Nice – you have to admit, they are all variations on the same theme. The lefties who were baffled about Clinton being unpopular are in turn totally blindsided by the lack of interest in the candidacies of Gillibrand and Warren. Why won’t the nation at large vote for these upper class white ladies from solidly Dem East Coast states?!

  101. @Hibernian
    My paternal grandfather was a tool and die maker for a printing press manufacturing company in Chicago. He had some college, at a junior college. That was very rare at the time (1920s).

    Not very rare, just atypical.

  102. @bomag
    Don't conflate employment with doing productive work.

    Someone voluntarily hires you to do tasks x, y, and z. Three interpretations:

    1. You provide a marginal benefit to the organization.

    2. Your job is relict, but the deficit of benefits hasn’t reached anyone with the authority to eliminate your position.

    3. Your unit in the organization was formed in the expectation it would produce value and did not.

    Whether your job is useful or not, you will commonly have resentful co-workers who fancy they’re the only people in the organization who accomplish anything, and a few of them vent on comment boards.

    • Replies: @bomag
    Two out of three!
  103. @martin_2
    I naively employed a few low IQ people in my small business some years ago and it was generally a very negative experience. Shocking ineptitude, and even theft from customers. It is hard to see how they can be truly productive.

    You didn’t say for what you hired them and why. (Or how you knew what their IQ was).

  104. @black sea

    we still learn about black people being arrested or assaulted because a white woman called the police unnecessarily.
     
    People are rarely arrested or assaulted because someone called the police "unnecessarily."

    Contacting the police to check a situation out is not the same as accusing someone of a crime. If the person whom the police are checking out reacts in a reasonable manner, and if they actually aren't committing a crime, then probably they will be left to go about their business. If they react by going apesh*t, particularly when they are committing a crime, then the chance of being arrested or "assaulted" does increase.

    A lot of this just stems from the fact that blacks and whites tend to see issues involving acceptable behavior, rule-breaking, the criminal justice system, and so forth in very different ways.

    There is a black state representative from Madison who is trying to make it illegal for whites to call the cops on blacks. She suggests a $250 fine for calls in which there is no arrest. The black former Madison PD Chief of Police supports her.

    This b**** plays the race card early and often.

    One time she went with her mother campaigning. They inadvertently parked in front of a drug house. A neighbor called the cops. Police records show about 2 dozen calls to the cops about that drug house.

    The guy who called the cops on her later called her to apologize. He explained he didn’t see it was two black ladies. He only saw the car.

    These days the state representative is still whining about racial profiling. She lies and says the guy who called the cops on her never apologized. He did. She lies and says the call was unwarranted. It wasn’t. She wants the white guy to pay!

    Reminds me of a time when I visited my girlfriend in an Asian neighborhood in Honolulu while her parents were out of town. He called the cops, who had their guns drawn. Scared the crap out of my girlfriend’s sister to have cops with guns looking for me. When. I came out we all had a good laugh. The ladies thanked their neighbor for looking out for them.

  105. … In America, white women are often believed and protected at all costs, even at the expense of black lives. In 1955, it was a white woman who falsely accused 14-year-old Emmett Till of whistling at her in Mississippi, which led to him being brutally beaten and killed.

    I’ve never heard anyone claim that he didn’t even whistle at her. The official story has always emphasized that he DID whistle at her, and that’s why he was killed.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Emmett Till dindu nuthin'. The story gets better each time you retell it. Pretty soon Emmett Till will be feeding the multitudes with loaves and fishes.

    However, once we get back to reality, the reality is that while Till was an idiot and crossed the unwritten rules of the South (and even at 14 was old enough to know better), this code did not specify the death penalty for what he did. He didn't rape anyone. Under the code of Jim Crow, he deserved a sound thrashing but not death. Apparently that was in fact the original plan but Till was a hard core Northern ghetto black and mouthed off to his kidnappers, so the beating escalated to a shooting (similar things seem to happen in a lot of the BLM shootings - blacks possess poor self control and will often act out in a way that is against their own self interest, even their survival, even if the other party is armed and they aren't - you could say that this is brave but there is a point where bravery crosses the line into foolishness). Of course the true story is not good enough and so it has to be cleaned up to make Till a complete saint.

  106. Poor white liberal women (the Karens and Beckys) are about to get theirs from their beloved human pets. Who cares if it is racist or not? I can’t think of a more deserving lot.

    • Agree: Father O'Hara
  107. @JimDandy
    This creates a nice excuse to mention once again that witness testimony (including black witnesses) indicates that Till sexually assaulted the white female victim. A biographer later claimed that the victim admitted that the she lied, but the evidence shows that the biographer was clearly lying. The "murdered because he was black" narrative is reductive. Till messed with the wrong married woman. It seems that the white female victim tried, and failed, to keep the truth from her highly protective husband.

    The “murdered because he was black” narrative is reductive. Till messed with the wrong married woman.

    Indeed.

  108. @Thomm
    If it is racist, no one told Glenn Reynolds, who makes fun of Karens every day :

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/?s=karen


    Remember that Glenn's blog is right-wing (i.e. he believes in small government, and is pro-Trump). WN, on the other hand, is a left-wing ideology since it has a left-wing economic philosophy.

    Remember that Glenn’s blog is right-wing (i.e. he believes in small government, and is pro-Trump). WN, on the other hand, is a left-wing ideology since it has a left-wing economic philosophy.

    White nationalism has no economic philosophy other than that whites will be the ones deciding it.

    • Replies: @Thomm

    White nationalism has no economic philosophy other than that whites will be the ones deciding it.
     
    Mainly because of the 'moocher' ethos present among the bottom 10% of white men, and an expectation that intra-white socialism comprises a form Noblesse Oblige they are entitled to.

    In theory, yes, but in practice, the preference for far-left economics is very, very dominant in WN circles.

    Even over here, many people want a $25/hr minimum wage mandated by law, and have an irrational love for corrupt labor unions (labor unions are a left-wing institution).

  109. @Hibernian
    Either there was a machine scoring error on the test or he was just lying. In the old days (say, about 1962 when I took my first IQ test) when a substantial part of an IQ test was vocabulary testing, some natively intelligent people got low scores; however, that's not likely in Mr. Phillips' case with his family background. A Yale engineering professor is not going to be an "I used to not be able to spell Ing - Uh - Near, but now I are one." type of engineer.

    Or else his idea of a low score is one slightly below Einstein's. Or he had a learning disability which he later magically overcame.

    I wonder what kind of SAT scores got him into Princeton. He also doesn’t say how old he was when IQ tested.

    P.S. He was born in 1955 so may very well have taken the IQ test around the same time as you.

  110. @ben tillman

    Remember that Glenn’s blog is right-wing (i.e. he believes in small government, and is pro-Trump). WN, on the other hand, is a left-wing ideology since it has a left-wing economic philosophy.
     
    White nationalism has no economic philosophy other than that whites will be the ones deciding it.

    White nationalism has no economic philosophy other than that whites will be the ones deciding it.

    Mainly because of the ‘moocher’ ethos present among the bottom 10% of white men, and an expectation that intra-white socialism comprises a form Noblesse Oblige they are entitled to.

    In theory, yes, but in practice, the preference for far-left economics is very, very dominant in WN circles.

    Even over here, many people want a $25/hr minimum wage mandated by law, and have an irrational love for corrupt labor unions (labor unions are a left-wing institution).

    • Replies: @Anon
    Economic policies cannot be "Left" nor "Right" wing. Economic policies are tools to effect Left and Right Wing social goals, and the outcome for either side can be highly variable given the same economic policy. Therefore, economic policies can not be innately Left nor Right Wing.

    "Left" and "Right" are decided solely by desired social outcomes rather than by economic policy idealism (policy for the sake of policy), as anyone with a lukewarm IQ can deduce.

    Those social outcomes can flip depedning on how the same economic policy is implemented across different geographic areas inhabited by differing peoples.

    Social alliances breed political power, and little else does: at least not sustainably. Economic policies only become tools of the Left and Right when they are used to forward social policy, affect social alliances, and therefore increase (Right wing) or reduce (Left Wing) innate grassroots political power of any single group.

    For example, when a society takes tax money from Whites (or any other ethnic-racial tribe) and gives it to Blacks (or any out group) this forwards the Left Wing goal of hindering an enemy race by transferring its income to that race's political competitors in this zero sum survival game.

    Destroying the political power of out groups being the goal that is central to all Communist-Jewish social and economic policies for out-group competitors.

    However, when Whites implement socialism solely within their own groups they are attempting to advance the health of their nation and its race rather than to destroy it.

    In these two examples, we observe roughly opposite intended sociopolitical outcomes from the same economic policy. Which, again, is why economic policy can not define the Left nor the Right. All politics can only be defined via intended social outcome.

    In contrast, your sense of economic politics is basic bitch NYT-tier Jewish propaganda meant for digestion by their enemies and <110 IQ brownskins. A misunderstanding of reality that again illustrates why you are unfit to share society with us.

    Your anti-White sniping comes from a place of fear of rejection by White society and its women.

    Which is why I don't follow your lead and troll Black or Jewish nationalist boards. I simply don't care about their politics and my resultant inclusion in their society as you do that of the Whites you are inneffectually attempting to bully into acepting you.

    Yours is also a tactic that reveals your fundamental misunderstaing of the nature of the people you are attempting to demean into accepting you. A fact that determines that you won't be long term successful. Meaningful White society will eradicate itself before permanently accepting people that look to demean it into submission. You are essentially providing the kindling for your eventual failure.

    A misunderstanding that will eventually be undeniable when White society shucks off the brown yoke in one massive and sudden upheavel. Brought about in no small part by the parsite's inability to keep nibbling and injecting (intended to be) painful poison. As you do here.

    An upeheavel that will be inevitably successful.

    Last, its painfully obvious that you nurse a deep insecurity that stems from your knowledge that the low-tier Whtes that you frequently target occupy a de facto higher social rank than you as a matter of their race.

    Dress Joe the plumber up in black tie, ask him to be quiet, and he blends in with Ivy alumni at a wedding. Dress you up in the same and, no matter what you say to White men or White women, you will always be a resident barking seal of the globalist side show.

    Enjoy it.

  111. @Art Deco
    Much of black employment is the result of government preference and Affirmative Action pressure on private sector employers. M

    I've gone over the numbers with you multiple times in the past. You have never offered a valid response. You just repeat this meme at a later date, because liar. For the record, 14% of all employees are to be found in the public sector. About 18% of federal civilian and military employees are black. The Census Bureau calculated in 2010 that blacks account for about 18% of low wage local government employment and about 11% of high wage local government employment. The Bureau of Labor Statistics sectoral enumerations recently said blacks account for about 17.5% of those employed in 'public administration' (which accounts for about 1/3 of all government employment. Their stake in other sectors which have ample government employment are 11% for educational services, 18% for health care, 20% for 'social assistance', postal service (25%), and utilities (9.7%). You see the same proportions in a variety of venues. About 18% of public sector workers are black. Given the ratio of black workers to non-black workers in the economy as a whole, the excess of black workers amounts to 6.5% of the public sector workforce, or about 1.4 million workers. That's 7% of the total population of working blacks, a great many of them employed in the same sorts of things they're hired to do by private sector employers: deliver mail, deliver parcels, work in cafeterias, and help elderly people in the loo.


    Your thesis is inane. From 1877 to 1941, official favors extended to the black population sum to zero. Over the succeeding 23 years, they sum to very little of consequence in regard to the labor market. Yet, somehow blacks earn a living sufficient to sustain themselves demographically. You saw the same patterns on either side of the color bar over those years occurring at about the same pace: the redistribution of labor from the agricultural sector to services and industry, greater literacy and more time devoted to formal schooling, rural to urban migration, improved life expectancy, &c. What do you fancy was going on? That some shadowy cabal was operating a vast patronage mill that's just slipped everyone's mind?

    Quit lying to yourself, and quit lying to others.

    Very impressive,but 100%of your numbers are employed in my neck of the woods

  112. @JimDandy
    This creates a nice excuse to mention once again that witness testimony (including black witnesses) indicates that Till sexually assaulted the white female victim. A biographer later claimed that the victim admitted that the she lied, but the evidence shows that the biographer was clearly lying. The "murdered because he was black" narrative is reductive. Till messed with the wrong married woman. It seems that the white female victim tried, and failed, to keep the truth from her highly protective husband.

    Jim, when it comes to my family I consider myself to be “highly protective.” However, I’ve never beat anyone to death.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    Me too. "Highly protective" was meant as a somewhat ironic understatement. Till's abduction and murder was totally unjustified. I have commented in the past, however, that if I went into a shop in a strange town in a black neighborhood and messed with a black woman, well... I might end up dead.
  113. Another one who just needs to shut up and pose nude.

  114. @Anonymous
    I think the rancor behind the light-hearted shorthand is proving to be offensive in and of itself, so maybe we should simply be precise, specific, and correct instead of attempting to ascribe clever names for people or behavior we don’t like.

    Examples:

    Instead of "Karen," we would use the more precise term "angry white woman," or instead of "Karen Attiah," we would use the more precise term of "feckless twat."

    Instead of “Karen,” we would use the more precise term “Karen Attiah,”

    FIFY.

  115. @Art Deco
    Before the government intervened, blacks in America were as poor as church mice.

    They weren't. They were less affluent than whites. Personal income per capita among blacks in 1960 was about 1/2 that of the non black population.


    To the extent that they were not sharecroppers, they earned a living as menials – ditch diggers, house maids, janitors, etc.

    Again, about 80% had departed the agricultural sector by 1940. About 40% of the black heads of households listed their occupation as some variant of 'farmer', 'laborer', or 'servant' in the 1940 census. About 12% of the black female population worked as domestics; they accounted for about 1/3 of the women in the U.S. so employed.

    Between 1915 and 1970, the share of the black population living in the South fell from about 90% to about 55%. Is it really your contention they were migrating north to find work as farm hands and maids? From 1880 to 1920 the population in agriculture grew more slowly than the population employed in industry and services, so the proportion was declining. After 1920, you had an exodus from the agricultural economy, with employment therein declining in absolute numbers among black and white alike. As for domestic servants, they accounted for less than 5% of the working population by 1940.


    I have to say, I've never encountered anyone whose understanding of how the world works is such that he attributes to a federal agency with a contextually small budget (and the EEOC's budget is currently under $400 million, or sofa change in the world of federal expenditure) the capacity to extensively restructure a labor market with a nine-digit population of participants and persuade employers to systematically hire people to operate machinery or do desk work when they should really be digging ditches and pushing a mop. (Clarence Thomas had a description in his memoir of daily life at the EEOC as it was at the time he assumed command of the agency. Recommended for people who fancy the EEOC is a colossus).

    https://www.hcamag.com/us/news/general/10-of-the-biggest-eeoc-settlements-ever/156010

    And yet they can extort up to $250 million from a single employer who is insufficiently zealous about promoting blacks.

    I already said that following WWI, blacks were extensively employed as labor in Northern industries, but predominantly in low end positions for which little intelligence was required (and this was reflected in their incomes which were half that of white people as you say). Their income would probably have remained at approximately 50% of average white income were it not for the massive government interventions in the market. The average American in 1960 was pretty poor by 2020 standards (they lived in a little 1100 sf. Levittown house, the family owned a single car without air conditioning and one blurry B&W TV) so I think it is fair to say that someone who lived at half that standard (shotgun shack or slum apartment instead of Levittown house) was as poor as a church mouse.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Hibernian

    (they lived in a little 1100 sf. Levittown house, the family owned a single car without air conditioning and one blurry B&W TV)
     
    Just about all new houses now are mini-mansions or upscale townhouses. Of course, not everybody buys new. As for the gadgets and toys, the average people pay for a car is the inflation adjusted equivalent of the price of a 1963 Cadillac. Back in the day at least one solidly middle class home had a party line phone til about the time of the Kennedy assasination. This was in a highly industrialized area of an admittedly backward rural state. The party line phone and 17" or 19" B&W TV have given way to large screen color TVs, smart phones, and laptop computers.
    , @Art Deco
    I already said that following WWI, blacks were extensively employed as labor in Northern industries, but predominantly in low end positions for which little intelligence was required (and this was reflected in their incomes which were half that of white people as you say). Their income would probably have remained at approximately 50% of average white income were it not for the massive government interventions in the market.

    Your econometric analysis to this effect is where?

    While we're at it, are you going to tell us what happened on appeal? Or acknowledge (to take one example) that Coca Cola in 2000 had $20 bn in annual revenue and a market cap over $140 bn?
  116. @peterike

    I’m pro-White. That doesn’t mean I have to be anti-black.

     

    You don't understand how the world works.

    You don’t understand how the world works.

    Yes, I do. Sometimes, there are conflicts of interest that no amount of goodwill can paper over. Still, there is no reason to give in to irrational hatred. White people are in existential peril, and black women have little or nothing to do with that.

  117. @RichardTaylor
    White women are the most privileged group of humans who have ever lived. That's fine, White men made it that way. But a little appreciation wouldn't hurt.

    Instead, too many White women throw White men under the bus politically. Young White men, I encourage you to remember.

    Thank you!!

  118. Credentials in oppression? Cool. Can I get a frameable certificate? A handsome card to carry in my wallet? Would it look good on my resume?

  119. @anon
    Ghana-Nigerian "American" sez:

    Dehumanizing slurs don’t gain their cruel power overnight. They are part and parcel of generations of violence, erasure and discrimination.

    We know about that. Even people who don't quite believe are starting to notice hate, violence and erasure.

    We know...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWILhrSzw5o

    She should place the blame on her thoughtless, selfish parents for birthing her in such a horrid country, instead of that warm, nurturing cradle of humanity, Africa. I always take a cold comfort in knowing that the impending societal reset tsunami/debt jubilee will wash this nonsense away – along with tranny clown child anal instructors, Common Core, teenage type-II diabetes, fake credit, importation of rape culture, etc. This creature (the author) and others will perform real work, or perish. Stupidity, incompetence and criminality will no longer be subsidized.

  120. Thanks for explaining that for us, Shaneequa.

  121. Anon[171] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thomm

    White nationalism has no economic philosophy other than that whites will be the ones deciding it.
     
    Mainly because of the 'moocher' ethos present among the bottom 10% of white men, and an expectation that intra-white socialism comprises a form Noblesse Oblige they are entitled to.

    In theory, yes, but in practice, the preference for far-left economics is very, very dominant in WN circles.

    Even over here, many people want a $25/hr minimum wage mandated by law, and have an irrational love for corrupt labor unions (labor unions are a left-wing institution).

    Economic policies cannot be “Left” nor “Right” wing. Economic policies are tools to effect Left and Right Wing social goals, and the outcome for either side can be highly variable given the same economic policy. Therefore, economic policies can not be innately Left nor Right Wing.

    “Left” and “Right” are decided solely by desired social outcomes rather than by economic policy idealism (policy for the sake of policy), as anyone with a lukewarm IQ can deduce.

    Those social outcomes can flip depedning on how the same economic policy is implemented across different geographic areas inhabited by differing peoples.

    Social alliances breed political power, and little else does: at least not sustainably. Economic policies only become tools of the Left and Right when they are used to forward social policy, affect social alliances, and therefore increase (Right wing) or reduce (Left Wing) innate grassroots political power of any single group.

    For example, when a society takes tax money from Whites (or any other ethnic-racial tribe) and gives it to Blacks (or any out group) this forwards the Left Wing goal of hindering an enemy race by transferring its income to that race’s political competitors in this zero sum survival game.

    Destroying the political power of out groups being the goal that is central to all Communist-Jewish social and economic policies for out-group competitors.

    However, when Whites implement socialism solely within their own groups they are attempting to advance the health of their nation and its race rather than to destroy it.

    In these two examples, we observe roughly opposite intended sociopolitical outcomes from the same economic policy. Which, again, is why economic policy can not define the Left nor the Right. All politics can only be defined via intended social outcome.

    In contrast, your sense of economic politics is basic bitch NYT-tier Jewish propaganda meant for digestion by their enemies and <110 IQ brownskins. A misunderstanding of reality that again illustrates why you are unfit to share society with us.

    Your anti-White sniping comes from a place of fear of rejection by White society and its women.

    Which is why I don't follow your lead and troll Black or Jewish nationalist boards. I simply don't care about their politics and my resultant inclusion in their society as you do that of the Whites you are inneffectually attempting to bully into acepting you.

    Yours is also a tactic that reveals your fundamental misunderstaing of the nature of the people you are attempting to demean into accepting you. A fact that determines that you won't be long term successful. Meaningful White society will eradicate itself before permanently accepting people that look to demean it into submission. You are essentially providing the kindling for your eventual failure.

    A misunderstanding that will eventually be undeniable when White society shucks off the brown yoke in one massive and sudden upheavel. Brought about in no small part by the parsite's inability to keep nibbling and injecting (intended to be) painful poison. As you do here.

    An upeheavel that will be inevitably successful.

    Last, its painfully obvious that you nurse a deep insecurity that stems from your knowledge that the low-tier Whtes that you frequently target occupy a de facto higher social rank than you as a matter of their race.

    Dress Joe the plumber up in black tie, ask him to be quiet, and he blends in with Ivy alumni at a wedding. Dress you up in the same and, no matter what you say to White men or White women, you will always be a resident barking seal of the globalist side show.

    Enjoy it.

  122. Anonymous[179] • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco
    Average American Black IQ is 85. That alone makes half the Black population incapable of productive work in an industrial society.

    See Edward Banfield on contentions like this.

    The labor market generates work for people at every skill level. The number of adults collecting Social Security Disability benefits for 'intellectual disability' was, at the end of 2018, about 335,000. The number receiving SSI for like reasons was 617,000 at that time. These sum to 952,000 people. In toto, about 13% of those collecting Social Security Disability are black, while about 22% of those collecting SSI are black. It might be somewhat higher for those coded as having 'intellectual disabilities', but you're still looking at maybe 250,000 people next to 18 million working blacks.

    Employment-to-population ratios among whites, hispanics, and 'asians' differ very little. Those among blacks are usually about 10% lower. However, the differential has been much lower in recent years, at least up until about two months ago.

    If you fancy that 15% of the adult population is 'incapable of productive work', you'd have to believe there are 30 million working-aged adults collecting welfare, sitting in jail, living as vagrants, &c. As ever, people on these boards are credulous when it suits them.

    https://www.theroot.com/trump-s-federal-workforce-plans-will-blow-up-the-black-1790857869

    https://blackdemographics.com/economics/employment/

    If you fancy that 15% of the adult population is ‘incapable of productive work’, you’d have to believe there are 30 million working-aged adults collecting welfare, sitting in jail, living as vagrants, &c. As ever, people on these boards are credulous when it suits them.

    You point out very large problem that is real and yet not mentioned in the media. Where do you think the street people in SF and LA come from? I’m out in the US countryside, which, I can tell you, is full of refugees both internal to the US and from other countries (South Africa, USSR, Russian Federation).

    Shall I point out that, as a person on this board, you are by your own statement credulous? And that that the above videos/documents/personal testimony establish that you are very credulous indeed? Face reality, end your current psychotic break. Take a look at the real bottom, and do so before it hits you.

    There is a good chance that COVID-19 costs will end the current system of finance / global trade. That will end the simulated reality maintained by Federal / State employment and legally mandated employment and it will end the media as it now exists (“Get woke, go broke” will become general as the target audiences lose the power of government funding).

    Try to adjust starting now so that it won’t all hit you at once. That’s serious advice.

  123. @Jack D
    https://www.hcamag.com/us/news/general/10-of-the-biggest-eeoc-settlements-ever/156010

    And yet they can extort up to $250 million from a single employer who is insufficiently zealous about promoting blacks.

    I already said that following WWI, blacks were extensively employed as labor in Northern industries, but predominantly in low end positions for which little intelligence was required (and this was reflected in their incomes which were half that of white people as you say). Their income would probably have remained at approximately 50% of average white income were it not for the massive government interventions in the market. The average American in 1960 was pretty poor by 2020 standards (they lived in a little 1100 sf. Levittown house, the family owned a single car without air conditioning and one blurry B&W TV) so I think it is fair to say that someone who lived at half that standard (shotgun shack or slum apartment instead of Levittown house) was as poor as a church mouse.

    (they lived in a little 1100 sf. Levittown house, the family owned a single car without air conditioning and one blurry B&W TV)

    Just about all new houses now are mini-mansions or upscale townhouses. Of course, not everybody buys new. As for the gadgets and toys, the average people pay for a car is the inflation adjusted equivalent of the price of a 1963 Cadillac. Back in the day at least one solidly middle class home had a party line phone til about the time of the Kennedy assasination. This was in a highly industrialized area of an admittedly backward rural state. The party line phone and 17″ or 19″ B&W TV have given way to large screen color TVs, smart phones, and laptop computers.

  124. @Jack D
    https://www.hcamag.com/us/news/general/10-of-the-biggest-eeoc-settlements-ever/156010

    And yet they can extort up to $250 million from a single employer who is insufficiently zealous about promoting blacks.

    I already said that following WWI, blacks were extensively employed as labor in Northern industries, but predominantly in low end positions for which little intelligence was required (and this was reflected in their incomes which were half that of white people as you say). Their income would probably have remained at approximately 50% of average white income were it not for the massive government interventions in the market. The average American in 1960 was pretty poor by 2020 standards (they lived in a little 1100 sf. Levittown house, the family owned a single car without air conditioning and one blurry B&W TV) so I think it is fair to say that someone who lived at half that standard (shotgun shack or slum apartment instead of Levittown house) was as poor as a church mouse.

    I already said that following WWI, blacks were extensively employed as labor in Northern industries, but predominantly in low end positions for which little intelligence was required (and this was reflected in their incomes which were half that of white people as you say). Their income would probably have remained at approximately 50% of average white income were it not for the massive government interventions in the market.

    Your econometric analysis to this effect is where?

    While we’re at it, are you going to tell us what happened on appeal? Or acknowledge (to take one example) that Coca Cola in 2000 had $20 bn in annual revenue and a market cap over $140 bn?

  125. “in 1955, it was a white woman who falsely accused 14-year-old Emmett Till “

    This bit of prose by N-Karen prompts some connectivitish thinking.
    1) A contest to see which N-Commentator can produce the most non sequitors in a single article.
    2) A contest to think of ways to connect Emmet Till to improbable future events. Time travel where a 22nd century N-Karen travels back to Elizabethan England, convinces Newton’s grandmother to learn ebonics and pressure Hannah to name the prodigy Lakwash Jamal, thus forcing all Becky’s and their physicist husbands to deal with Jamals. Or something. Pain meds working. I digress.

  126. @bigduke6
    Whites are notoriously deluded about how blacks feel about them.

    Whites are notoriously deluded about how blacks feel about them.

    I dunno. Black women aren’t exactly inscrutable Stoics, after all. You can generally get a pretty good idea of how they feel about you.

    Don’t get me wrong. I’m sure the writer of this article really does hate White women. I just don’t think she represents the majority, that’s all.

  127. 90+% of the girl fights I see on the internet are black females so if we made up a meme name for them that would be racist, right?

  128. @Buffalo Joe
    Jim, when it comes to my family I consider myself to be "highly protective." However, I've never beat anyone to death.

    Me too. “Highly protective” was meant as a somewhat ironic understatement. Till’s abduction and murder was totally unjustified. I have commented in the past, however, that if I went into a shop in a strange town in a black neighborhood and messed with a black woman, well… I might end up dead.

  129. @Hibernian
    Either there was a machine scoring error on the test or he was just lying. In the old days (say, about 1962 when I took my first IQ test) when a substantial part of an IQ test was vocabulary testing, some natively intelligent people got low scores; however, that's not likely in Mr. Phillips' case with his family background. A Yale engineering professor is not going to be an "I used to not be able to spell Ing - Uh - Near, but now I are one." type of engineer.

    Or else his idea of a low score is one slightly below Einstein's. Or he had a learning disability which he later magically overcame.

    Jordan Peterson tells the tale of a friend who whines about being such an under-achiever compared to his college room-mate. It took some digging to learn that the room-mate was Elon Musk.

  130. Mr. Anon i think you’re off base here.

    Art Deco is a 1st class commenter here. He looks stuff up and brings actual data to the party. I may not agree with the thrust of his argument all the time, but Art’s data digging is valuable. I learn from him.

    For instance in this little sparing match: I agree with Jack quite a bit . But Jack tends toward being overly harsh/dismissive about blacks. (Perhaps from direct negative experiences with criminal/troublemaking blacks in Philly?) Jack is certainly correct that blacks get a big boost from government employment/policy. But Art is bringing the data to show that the over-representation relative to population is only about 50%, and that it’s still a small amount of overall black employment. Obviously the whole “Civil Rights” and discrimination” apparatus pushes private industry to employ and promote blacks. It’s a legitimate debate. Good points all around.

    Anyway, Art, i appreciate what you bring to the table. Keep on keeping on.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Statistics are can easily be cherry picked. I'm frankly too lazy to look up the statistics to counter his cherry picking. Blacks are only 13% of the US population so there's obviously a limit on the # of government jobs that they can occupy on a national basis, especially in states where there are hardly any black people to begin with. But the black population is unevenly distributed so in cities that are majority black or close to it they come to dominate certain job categories, such as the 97% of the Washington DC bus and train drivers who are black (and when they do, those agencies become so dysfunctional that "incompetent" doesn't even begin to describe it). Visit any big city in America and who are you going to believe, Art Deco or your own lying eyes?

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/mar/26/metro-derailed-by-culture-of-complacence-incompete/
  131. @captflee
    Such are the results of political compromise. If memory serves, Mr. Harrison ( Va.) initially proposed half. Some at the North demanded all slaves be counted (for direct taxation, especially), some offered three quarters, whether as a measure of comity or desperation I know not. In any event the issue dragged on throughout the life of the Confederation, until the dubious proceedings in Philadelphia produced the Madisonian three fifths, which obtained until done in by the 14th Amendment, whose provenance should not be much investigated if one does not wish to believe that he lives in a bit of a banana republic.

    The three-fifths rule worked against the free states as far as representation went.

    Direct taxation of these creatures made more sense than the fraud of using them for apportionment. Not much different from the half dozen rotten boroughs– ¿barrios corruptos?— in California today:

    • Replies: @XYZ (no Mr.)
    Is there a similar graphic for total percent of population per state in a household headed by an illegal immigrant? It would be interesting to measure the effects of birthright citizenship.
  132. @TheMediumIsTheMassage

    Take Becky, for example: It was rapper Sir Mix-a-Lot’s 1992 song “Baby Got Back,” in which a white girl, disgusted by the shape of a black woman’s body, talks behind the black woman’s back to her friend Becky.
     
    So a skit created by a black man as part of the video promotion for his song is responsible for that slur. Does the author realize that the white girl in that video was just reading lines and wasn't *actually* disgusted by the black woman's body?

    People generally find blacks to be ugly, so it’s fair to assume that the white girl in the video was, in fact, disgusted by the black woman’s body. And by her facial features too.

    In any event the whole Karen meme started with white people and that’s where it should stay, as nothing more than light hearted humor amongst themselves. Not sure why others want to inject themselves into it.

  133. Keeping up with the grey lady? Actual NYT article:

    2,500 Mourners Jam a Hasidic Funeral, Creating a Flash Point for de Blasio

    How I read it:

    2,500 Hasidic Jews Flash Mob de Blasio Jam Session

  134. This will not end until white families start appropriating hood names for their daughters. Who’s up for the first La’Quish-na Ostempowski.

  135. @SINCERITY.net
    It must be totally clear that only "minorities" deserve special protection, to avoid prejudice. Talking negatively about white "racists" is an additional method to reduce 'prejudice'. See our site for details

    Go to our pig search (politically incorrect Google search) at http://sincerity.net/pig/ and search for Köterrasse (street dog breed)
    German courts declared that it is ok to call native Germans Köterrasse, while there is extreme sensitivity about tiny sleights against underprivileged "minority" people

    It must be totally clear that only “minorities” deserve special protection, to avoid prejudice…

    …German courts declared that it is ok to call native Germans Köterrasse, while there is extreme sensitivity about tiny sleights against underprivileged “minority” people

    Apparently you (SINCERITY.net) believe one “minority” does indeed deserve special protection — you make ZERO references to Jews, Zionism, or Israel.

    Here at the Unz Review we call that “controlled opposition.”

  136. @Reg Cæsar
    The three-fifths rule worked against the free states as far as representation went.

    Direct taxation of these creatures made more sense than the fraud of using them for apportionment. Not much different from the half dozen rotten boroughs-- ¿barrios corruptos?-- in California today:


    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2019/04/23/us/politics/noncitizen-pop-us-1555983395740/noncitizen-pop-us-1555983395740-superJumbo.png

    https://cms.qz.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/state_illegal_immigrants_xl2.png?w=1400&strip=all&quality=75

    Is there a similar graphic for total percent of population per state in a household headed by an illegal immigrant? It would be interesting to measure the effects of birthright citizenship.

  137. @Art Deco
    He manufactures witless caricatures of people, and your response is to accuse me of being disengaged from the world. I can tell you're a fountainhead of wisdom.

    There was nothing witless in Jack D’s post. There never is. Unlike you, he is not a supercillious clown.

  138. What happens if you call a black woman “Becky” or “Karen”?

    Why do I imagine this would constitute a racial slur?

  139. @RichardTaylor
    White women are the most privileged group of humans who have ever lived. That's fine, White men made it that way. But a little appreciation wouldn't hurt.

    Instead, too many White women throw White men under the bus politically. Young White men, I encourage you to remember.

    I don’t believe anything the author of this article (Karen) says…because she was not “literally shaking” anywhere in it.

  140. And to invent oppression when none is happening to you? Well, as a Karen, I just have to say — that is peak Karen behavior.

    Golly, Black Karen, you still feel “oppressed”?

    Someone really needs to tell you something, and I guess that someone is me:

    Wakanda is not real! No, it’s not!

    It is an entirely fictional creation of highly privileged Hollywood Jews, who get rich(er) making people like you forget your parents immigrated here from a place still in the Stone Age — before Evil Whitey came along.

    And now highly privileged NYT media Jews are giving you, recently emerged from the Stone Age, a (((monster global megaphone))) with which you can endlessly bash Evil Whitey. And assert your victimhood.

    Jes don u b gettin uppity wit dem Hebes, yall knowm sayn??

  141. @Malcolm X-Lax
    As black women tried to explain to their angry and confused white sisters after the OJ verdict: Race trumps gender.

    Not so, for white women.

    As black women tried to explain to their angry and confused white sisters after the OJ verdict: Race trumps gender.

    Not so, for white women.

    That is false. Every line of evidence you look at (voting, survey responses, dating habits) ndicates that White women identify more with their race than their sex.

    Anyway, regarding the OJ verdict, go back and read my original post, especially the part about not stealing their men.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    Q: Are white women more likely to admit to strong feelings of White solidarity or call themselves "feminist"?

    A: White women are more than twice as likely to admit to strong feelings of racial solidarity as they are to call themselves feminists.

    http://www.occidentaldissent.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/WN-Survey.png

    https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/410/cpsprodpb/BE95/production/_105498784_feminist_survey_by_ethnicity-nc.png

  142. @AnotherDad
    I've got to say the mainstreaming of the "Becky" and "Karen" insults is ... great!

    Without going full Whiskey, white women have become a disaster. Being compliant they have swilled up the minoritarian propaganda pumped out by the educational system and particularly Hollyweird. Jewish feminism's narrative of women as an "oppressed" minority--an absolute laugher for American women--peeled off a large tranche into whiny (deeply unpleasant, sometimes even Subaru driving) victimhood.

    Most white women who eventually marry and have children come around--somewhat. But overall white women are the Achilles heel of whites getting their shit together and saving their nations.

    ~

    But what we've seen the past few years is that the fringes--sensing demographic victory-- just can not help themselves from doing pre-mature victory dances.

    The Brett Stevens style Jews now feel free to shout from the roof tops how much they really do hate those useless white proles and yes really do want to see them replaced. The NYT mainstreams all the anti-white hate of the "oppressed" Asian girls. Hillary blew the election by exposing her feels with one word--"deplorables". And blacks--black women in particular--are letting their true feelings about the (admittedly) annoying good-white-ladies rip.

    It's great!

    Hopefully more and more white women are waking up to reality. Hey ... i'm white. And i love my white husband who--despite his checkbox list of faults--is good to me. Or i want to have a white husband. I love my white kids--or want to have some white kids--and want a good life and pleasant prosperous future for them.

    But overall white women are the Achilles heel of whites getting their shit together and saving their nations.

    Liar. The disloyal globalist plutocracy is your Achilles Heel.

    Rich White men hate, hate, hate working-class White men.

    https://time.com/5343074/libre-koch-congress-immigration/

  143. anonymous[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    My cousin, who died because a judge could not be found to OK an abortion to save her life (they didn’t know which hole he was on), was named Becky.

    My condolences for your cousin's death. When did this happen?

    Mr. Anon, don’t bother asking.

  144. @Rosie

    As black women tried to explain to their angry and confused white sisters after the OJ verdict: Race trumps gender.

    Not so, for white women.
     
    That is false. Every line of evidence you look at (voting, survey responses, dating habits) ndicates that White women identify more with their race than their sex.

    Anyway, regarding the OJ verdict, go back and read my original post, especially the part about not stealing their men.

    Q: Are white women more likely to admit to strong feelings of White solidarity or call themselves “feminist”?

    A: White women are more than twice as likely to admit to strong feelings of racial solidarity as they are to call themselves feminists.

  145. @Anon

    “[My mother] told me that if I ever thought in terms of limitations others had set for me, I would be a limited person. My mother was right. She never allowed me to see my I.Q. score. It wasn’t until much later that I discovered I had tested below average.”

    Mushroom: The Story of the A-Bomb Kid by John Aristotle Phillips and David Michaelis (William Morrow, 1978), p. 25.
     

    John Aristotle Phillips studied physics and engineering at Princeton (Freeman Dyson was his advisor). His father was an engineering professor at Yale. After graduating from Princeton Phillips went into tech in San Francisco and is now a CEO of a tech company specializing in tracking voter trends for political campaigns.

    Phillips became known when as an undergraduate physics student wrote a term paper where he was able to layout a working A-Bomb design from publicly available information.

    https://people.com/archive/a-princeton-tiger-designs-an-atomic-bomb-in-a-physics-class-vol-6-no-17/

    It’s more likely the test was wrong than mentally retarded people are actually genius physicists.

  146. @AnotherDad
    Mr. Anon i think you're off base here.

    Art Deco is a 1st class commenter here. He looks stuff up and brings actual data to the party. I may not agree with the thrust of his argument all the time, but Art's data digging is valuable. I learn from him.

    For instance in this little sparing match: I agree with Jack quite a bit . But Jack tends toward being overly harsh/dismissive about blacks. (Perhaps from direct negative experiences with criminal/troublemaking blacks in Philly?) Jack is certainly correct that blacks get a big boost from government employment/policy. But Art is bringing the data to show that the over-representation relative to population is only about 50%, and that it's still a small amount of overall black employment. Obviously the whole "Civil Rights" and discrimination" apparatus pushes private industry to employ and promote blacks. It's a legitimate debate. Good points all around.

    Anyway, Art, i appreciate what you bring to the table. Keep on keeping on.

    Statistics are can easily be cherry picked. I’m frankly too lazy to look up the statistics to counter his cherry picking. Blacks are only 13% of the US population so there’s obviously a limit on the # of government jobs that they can occupy on a national basis, especially in states where there are hardly any black people to begin with. But the black population is unevenly distributed so in cities that are majority black or close to it they come to dominate certain job categories, such as the 97% of the Washington DC bus and train drivers who are black (and when they do, those agencies become so dysfunctional that “incompetent” doesn’t even begin to describe it). Visit any big city in America and who are you going to believe, Art Deco or your own lying eyes?

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/mar/26/metro-derailed-by-culture-of-complacence-incompete/

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    Jack, i don't disagree.

    The stats Art Deco pulled up show pretty clearly that blacks are considerably--50%--over-represented in public sector employment. And relative to competency they are clearly more over-represented, though as Art pointed out there is a clear skew in level for black employment, that matches that. (Less representation in higher level jobs.) And clearly the legal "discrimination" apparatus pushes up black employment/promotion at least for larger private employers that might find themselves in the crosshairs.

    I'm just saying that i value Art Deco doing his statistical digs--even when i don't agree with the thrust or at least spin he might put on it. Just like i value reading your arguments even if i don't necessarily agree.
  147. @ben tillman

    … In America, white women are often believed and protected at all costs, even at the expense of black lives. In 1955, it was a white woman who falsely accused 14-year-old Emmett Till of whistling at her in Mississippi, which led to him being brutally beaten and killed.
     
    I've never heard anyone claim that he didn't even whistle at her. The official story has always emphasized that he DID whistle at her, and that's why he was killed.

    Emmett Till dindu nuthin’. The story gets better each time you retell it. Pretty soon Emmett Till will be feeding the multitudes with loaves and fishes.

    However, once we get back to reality, the reality is that while Till was an idiot and crossed the unwritten rules of the South (and even at 14 was old enough to know better), this code did not specify the death penalty for what he did. He didn’t rape anyone. Under the code of Jim Crow, he deserved a sound thrashing but not death. Apparently that was in fact the original plan but Till was a hard core Northern ghetto black and mouthed off to his kidnappers, so the beating escalated to a shooting (similar things seem to happen in a lot of the BLM shootings – blacks possess poor self control and will often act out in a way that is against their own self interest, even their survival, even if the other party is armed and they aren’t – you could say that this is brave but there is a point where bravery crosses the line into foolishness). Of course the true story is not good enough and so it has to be cleaned up to make Till a complete saint.

  148. @Art Deco
    Someone voluntarily hires you to do tasks x, y, and z. Three interpretations:

    1. You provide a marginal benefit to the organization.

    2. Your job is relict, but the deficit of benefits hasn't reached anyone with the authority to eliminate your position.

    3. Your unit in the organization was formed in the expectation it would produce value and did not.


    Whether your job is useful or not, you will commonly have resentful co-workers who fancy they're the only people in the organization who accomplish anything, and a few of them vent on comment boards.

    Two out of three!

  149. @AnotherDad
    I've got to say the mainstreaming of the "Becky" and "Karen" insults is ... great!

    Without going full Whiskey, white women have become a disaster. Being compliant they have swilled up the minoritarian propaganda pumped out by the educational system and particularly Hollyweird. Jewish feminism's narrative of women as an "oppressed" minority--an absolute laugher for American women--peeled off a large tranche into whiny (deeply unpleasant, sometimes even Subaru driving) victimhood.

    Most white women who eventually marry and have children come around--somewhat. But overall white women are the Achilles heel of whites getting their shit together and saving their nations.

    ~

    But what we've seen the past few years is that the fringes--sensing demographic victory-- just can not help themselves from doing pre-mature victory dances.

    The Brett Stevens style Jews now feel free to shout from the roof tops how much they really do hate those useless white proles and yes really do want to see them replaced. The NYT mainstreams all the anti-white hate of the "oppressed" Asian girls. Hillary blew the election by exposing her feels with one word--"deplorables". And blacks--black women in particular--are letting their true feelings about the (admittedly) annoying good-white-ladies rip.

    It's great!

    Hopefully more and more white women are waking up to reality. Hey ... i'm white. And i love my white husband who--despite his checkbox list of faults--is good to me. Or i want to have a white husband. I love my white kids--or want to have some white kids--and want a good life and pleasant prosperous future for them.

    Never seen a post of yours that I did not agree with 100 percent. Sounds like we both made the rounds on DadsDivorce many years ago or were sensitive to those issues way back when. Were you also a fan of Dalrock and Rollo?

    I totally agree with everything you said. How nice it would be to run into a white (racially conscious) woman as you suggest. I have on a few occasions, but they are usually in their late 40s and long married (the cure). Where are these younger women who stick with WM when challenged, in college or at the workplace?

  150. @Jack D
    Statistics are can easily be cherry picked. I'm frankly too lazy to look up the statistics to counter his cherry picking. Blacks are only 13% of the US population so there's obviously a limit on the # of government jobs that they can occupy on a national basis, especially in states where there are hardly any black people to begin with. But the black population is unevenly distributed so in cities that are majority black or close to it they come to dominate certain job categories, such as the 97% of the Washington DC bus and train drivers who are black (and when they do, those agencies become so dysfunctional that "incompetent" doesn't even begin to describe it). Visit any big city in America and who are you going to believe, Art Deco or your own lying eyes?

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/mar/26/metro-derailed-by-culture-of-complacence-incompete/

    Jack, i don’t disagree.

    The stats Art Deco pulled up show pretty clearly that blacks are considerably–50%–over-represented in public sector employment. And relative to competency they are clearly more over-represented, though as Art pointed out there is a clear skew in level for black employment, that matches that. (Less representation in higher level jobs.) And clearly the legal “discrimination” apparatus pushes up black employment/promotion at least for larger private employers that might find themselves in the crosshairs.

    I’m just saying that i value Art Deco doing his statistical digs–even when i don’t agree with the thrust or at least spin he might put on it. Just like i value reading your arguments even if i don’t necessarily agree.

  151. @Art Deco
    Most jobs are make-work, busy-work jobs.

    If they provided no marginal product for their employer, they'd eventually be eliminated.

    No, they wouldn’t. You know nothing about how real corporations work. You just believe all this insanely simple-minded libertarian malarkey. And congratulations on trotting out your “marginal product” jargon to make you sound smart. Here’s a clue: classical economics is not smart. It’s a sucker’s game.

    • Replies: @Svigor
    libertarianism: any non-redneck, non-sperg, non-jews left? Crank factor has seemed maxed out for ages, since all the normal, marginally-informed ppl left.
  152. @obwandiyag
    No, they wouldn't. You know nothing about how real corporations work. You just believe all this insanely simple-minded libertarian malarkey. And congratulations on trotting out your "marginal product" jargon to make you sound smart. Here's a clue: classical economics is not smart. It's a sucker's game.

    libertarianism: any non-redneck, non-sperg, non-jews left? Crank factor has seemed maxed out for ages, since all the normal, marginally-informed ppl left.

  153. @TheMediumIsTheMassage

    Take Becky, for example: It was rapper Sir Mix-a-Lot’s 1992 song “Baby Got Back,” in which a white girl, disgusted by the shape of a black woman’s body, talks behind the black woman’s back to her friend Becky.
     
    So a skit created by a black man as part of the video promotion for his song is responsible for that slur. Does the author realize that the white girl in that video was just reading lines and wasn't *actually* disgusted by the black woman's body?

    Does the author realize that the white girl in that video was just reading lines and wasn’t *actually* disgusted by the black woman’s body?

    Does the author recognise that that whole song was a black man expressing disgust at white women’s bodies?

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