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From Vox:
Trump’s speech in Poland sounded like an alt-right manifesto
“For family, for freedom, for country, and for God.”Updated by Sarah Wildman Jul 6, 2017, 11:10am EDT
This morning in Warsaw, Poland, President Donald Trump issued a battle cry — for “family, for freedom, for country, and for God” — in a speech that often resorted to rhetorical conceits typically used by the European and American alt-right. It sounded, at times, not just like the populists of the present but the populists of the past.
Drafted by Steve Miller, the architect of the travel ban, Trump’s speech used the type of dire, last-chance wording often utilized by the far right on both sides of the Atlantic: “The fundamental question of our time is whether the West has the will to survive.”
“Do we have the confidence in our values to defend them at any cost?” Trump asked. “Do we have enough respect for our citizens to protect our borders? Do we have the desire and the courage to preserve our civilization in the face of those who would subvert and destroy it?”…
In his address, Trump cast the West, including the United States and Europe, on the side of “civilization.” With an undercurrent of bellicosity, he spoke of protecting borders, casting himself as a defender not just of territory but of Western “values.” And, using the phrase he had avoided on his trip to Saudi Arabia, he insisted that in the fight against “radical Islamic terrorism,” the West “will prevail.”
Again and again, Trump held up Poland as an example, saying their history reminds the world that “the defense of the West ultimately rests not only on means but also on the will of the people to prevail.” He recalled the story of the Warsaw uprising against the Nazis in 1944: “The West,” he said, “was saved with the blood of patriots.”
That battle, the president seemed to say, is ongoing. He called on a new generation to rise up, saying “every last inch of civilization is worth defending with your life.”
“Just as Poland could not be broken, I declare today for the world to hear that the West will never, ever be broken,” Trump said. “Our values will prevail, our people will thrive, and our civilization will triumph.”
Here’s the full transcript.
Only vicious, hateful extremists would dare ask: “Do we have enough respect for our citizens to protect our borders?”
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Great, now what’s he doing about it at home?
Every President since FDR could have made that speech. Well, at least up to 2009.
Steve Sailer wrote this recently:
Globalization vs Patriotism
Did Trump reclaim the phrase “Western values”? I think the dogwhistle is outside Bill Kristol’s hearing range.
God, family, freedom and, community is Progressive coming from the lips of Linda Sarsour however:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/07/06/linda_sarsour_asks_muslims_to_form_jihad_against_trump_not_to_assimilate.html
http://archive.is/jK0Nj
Pete Beinart alerts his readers that it’s probably closer to every President since 1989. And I think he’s probably correct. Dubya certainly never spoke of a “Western Civilization” as much as civilization itself, standing against its geographically ambiguous enemies of terror and tyranny. They do sense that their new world order (now rebranded as the liberal international order) is slipping away.
But when Bill Kristol himself is praising the speech you know it’s not exactly abolishing anything internationalists hold dear https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/882961008020598785
Apparently, Poland is anti-democratic because her elected leaders refuse to go against the wishes of the Polish people by importing millions of migrants. Germany, however, is democratic because her leaders want to import more unwanted migrants, while arresting actual Germans for criticizing their government’s migrant policies. Any questions?
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/06/poland-shocked-xenophobic-abuse-poles-uk-160627105512611.html
I know it won't make me popular around here but outside of the US, White isn't always White (irony intended).Replies: @Tom-in-VA, @Thea, @fnn, @JohnnyD
The left uses quite a bit of dire, last-chance wording themselves.
is a video of the speech. Skip ahead to 41:30 and you will see a Confederate flag in the crowd. Why is it there? Also, what is the crowd chanting? “Drain That Swamp!”? “Lock Her Up!”?
As if to make the welcome extra-warm, the surname of the Polish president Andrzej Duda is taken from the refrain of an American song by Stephen Foster:
"The long tail filly and the big black ho's, Doo-da, Doo-da".Replies: @AnotherDad, @Jeff Albertson
but if you watched the entire TV broadcast, you would
have noticed that quite a few U.S. servicemen came to see
Trump speak, and they sat in the audience. Thousands of
U.S. troops are now stationed in Poland. Or perhaps
those specific servicemen are assigned to the American
embassy in WarsawReplies: @dr kill
Guess what’s so funny? When the G20 are done, Trump will be singing a different tune.
P.S I wonder what effect the low-key doxxing of Steve Miller, “the architect of the travel ban” has had on guys named Steve and or Miller.
Well, Steve, been treated any more differently lately?
Only a hateful extremist would give that speech, knowing how much it would upset Big Media.
The only problem with line of reasoning is that in much of Western Europe, especially the UK, the Poles are the unwanted migrants. This article details some of the abuse that Polish, and other Eastern European, migrants faced in the UK after Brexit:
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/06/poland-shocked-xenophobic-abuse-poles-uk-160627105512611.html
I know it won’t make me popular around here but outside of the US, White isn’t always White (irony intended).
I don't disagree. I think England should stay English, just as Poland should stay Polish.
There is nothing wrong with what Sansour said. She clearly wasn’t calling for violence.
(And, in the full spirit of intellectual honesty, the lefties Steve is quoting are right that Trump's speech was full of dog-whistling to identitarians, which is why it's getting rave reviews here).
Trump is talking crap to his audience again. Pretty soon, he’ll have to talk about restoring demographics and culture to get anyone to pay attention to his carnival show.
Trump is better than Hillary, so there is something to be happy about.
Nothing. Nothing at all.
This was basically a neocon speech. It’s the kind of speech Dubya would give, although Dubya would throw “Judeo-Christian” in there. Miller is savvy enough to know that “Judeo-Christian” alienates the hard right, and he wants enough red meat in there to keep the hard right on the plantation.
Proving that, in spite of the fact that Vox has a building full of Voxsplainers, none of them know what the Alt-Right really is.
I guess batting .250 is OK if you were a baseball player, but it illustrates that the Left is too stupid, willfully ignorant, and too afraid of exposure to CrimeThink to even understand who they are fighting. Luckily, a perfect formula for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.Replies: @AM, @Allen, @James Richard
Oh wait. I was dreaming there.
No kidding. Almost none of the alt-righters I ever listen to make any reference to God unless it is Odin, they refer to nation, not country, and lean more to national authoritarianism than to muh freedom.
I guess batting .250 is OK if you were a baseball player, but it illustrates that the Left is too stupid, willfully ignorant, and too afraid of exposure to CrimeThink to even understand who they are fighting. Luckily, a perfect formula for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
http://www.occidentaldissent.com/
That is a very insightful summation.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/06/poland-shocked-xenophobic-abuse-poles-uk-160627105512611.html
I know it won't make me popular around here but outside of the US, White isn't always White (irony intended).Replies: @Tom-in-VA, @Thea, @fnn, @JohnnyD
The Poles would get more respect if they chopped off a few heads now and again.
is a video of the speech. Skip ahead to 41:30 and you will see a Confederate flag in the crowd. Why is it there? Also, what is the crowd chanting? "Drain That Swamp!"? "Lock Her Up!"?
As if to make the welcome extra-warm, the surname of the Polish president Andrzej Duda is taken from the refrain of an American song by Stephen Foster:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdZliSDhgXYReplies: @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY), @Joe Stalin, @Anon 2
Stephen Foster was an urban rapper avant la lettre. See the lyrics at 0:34:
“The long tail filly and the big black ho’s, Doo-da, Doo-da”.
https://youtu.be/OFykFC6W9tQ
is a video of the speech. Skip ahead to 41:30 and you will see a Confederate flag in the crowd. Why is it there? Also, what is the crowd chanting? "Drain That Swamp!"? "Lock Her Up!"?
As if to make the welcome extra-warm, the surname of the Polish president Andrzej Duda is taken from the refrain of an American song by Stephen Foster:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdZliSDhgXYReplies: @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY), @Joe Stalin, @Anon 2
I remember seeing a movie about post-Tito Yugoslavia that had an armored vehicle with a Confederate Stars & Bars flag on the top; apparently, the Confederate flag is a universally recognized symbol of rebellion.
True, but her community is not only not my community, it is opposed to my community, and so I don’t want more of it.
They’d get more respect if they just stopped believing that Jesus Christ is The Savior and also stopped being white. These are two things that Western elites can’t stand anymore.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/06/poland-shocked-xenophobic-abuse-poles-uk-160627105512611.html
I know it won't make me popular around here but outside of the US, White isn't always White (irony intended).Replies: @Tom-in-VA, @Thea, @fnn, @JohnnyD
In the long run, it’s in the Poles’ collective self interest to stay on Polish soil. The people of the British Isles should be allowed to keep their soil for their posterity alone.
How the heck is encouraging jihad not advocating violence?!?
She is essentially saying that she won’t recognize any authority beyond that of her community.
In other words, she gives the middle finger to Western values. The ones who claim to not want violence cause the most problems. She will cry Islamaphobia the next time a Mohamed explodes in a crowd.
I don't like Sansour and her choice of wording was idiotic, but she wasn't calling for violence. If anything, she was discouraging violence, saying that Muslims should be satisfied with non violent protests.Replies: @Difference Maker
Poles in the UK already get plenty respect from the elites because they’re demographic leverage for transnational institutions, and a story to tell that love of borders is xenophobia and not a statement about the worthiness of Third Worlders.
P.S I wonder what effect the low-key doxxing of Steve Miller, "the architect of the travel ban" has had on guys named Steve and or Miller.
Well, Steve, been treated any more differently lately?Replies: @dr kill, @Difference Maker
Help me out, dude. What’s the new tune?
Is she still around?
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/06/poland-shocked-xenophobic-abuse-poles-uk-160627105512611.html
I know it won't make me popular around here but outside of the US, White isn't always White (irony intended).Replies: @Tom-in-VA, @Thea, @fnn, @JohnnyD
You have that Brexit thing to negotiate if you want to get rid of the Poles.
I think we’re giving our opponents too much credit to think they’re analyzing the various subsets of the Right in good faith and developing some sort of taxonomy to better understand us. “Alt-right” is the best way to say “NAZI Hitler NeoConfederate” in their view, so they’re just going to use it as a perjorative to see whether it sticks/works. Thus far it hasn’t, demonstrated by the Williamsburg tech-savvy Millennials convincing the old lady to make a speech and shake her fist at a cartoon frog while calling 50% of the Country “Deplorables” in a rare lucid interval between ischemic events.
I guess batting .250 is OK if you were a baseball player, but it illustrates that the Left is too stupid, willfully ignorant, and too afraid of exposure to CrimeThink to even understand who they are fighting. Luckily, a perfect formula for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.Replies: @AM, @Allen, @James Richard
There is a Christian alt-right that I hope will grow. It’s under Deus Vult as a phrase, if you ever want to go looking.
It’s slow going, in part of because every single denomination is infested with churchians, who as pet projects sponsor refugees to dump on the local population to support. People who “come out” as even vaguely alt-right risk getting thrown out of formal church organizations.
I do appreciate that I mostly agree with the alt-white. I agree more with them in most areas than the churchians I meet on Sundays
However, I frankly do not see how a bunch of atheists who LARP as pagans while nursing a grudge that Christianity kicked paganism’s hiney will be doing much of anything real to help long term to save the West. RamZPaul is big on “Go Team” and very short on how and why such a spirit might be sustained with time.
We are going to have to deal with the elephant in the room called Christianity and the agonizing discovery of why our ancestors weren’t dopes. Just waiting for a critical mass of the sane alt-right to get there. 🙂
Once you start looking for post-progressives in the church, you'll find plenty.Replies: @AM
You don't need to be Christian to Deus VultReplies: @AM
Driving through the rural Northeast on July 4th I saw several big parties with lots of trucks parked on lawns at houses flying the Confederate flag right next to the American flag.
Her statement was that she hoped that Allah would view their protests against Trump as Jihad.
I don’t like Sansour and her choice of wording was idiotic, but she wasn’t calling for violence. If anything, she was discouraging violence, saying that Muslims should be satisfied with non violent protests.
It’s telling that he invoked the auccessful German invasion of Poland but not the unsuccessful Turkish invasion of Austria in his praise of the redoubtable Polish.
Best not to point to the actual threats from complete aliens, but rather to feed the narcissim of minor differences between Slavs and Germans over an old wound; the last thing we need are Europeans exercising concentric loyalty agianst the greater, existential threat. After all, he loves the (mestizoid) Hispanics, too….
There is nothing wrong with imprisoning or deporting people who incite sedition and defiance of the laws of the U.S.A., then, if one wishes to be legalistic.
If claiming to recognise “no authority” isn’t sedition, the word has no meaning.
How interesting that the New York Times cover story
about Trump’s speech in Warsaw never once mentions
the 1944 Warsaw Uprising, the greatest armed insurrection
against Nazi Germany in German-occupied Europe, and
the fact that Trump delivered his speech next to the Warsaw
Uprising Monument. On the other hand the story devotes
a lot of space to how Trump slighted the Jews by not visiting
the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising monument (the ghetto, by the way,
was created by the Nazis – prior to 1940 the Jews in Warsaw
were free to live wherever they wanted).
Praising the Poles on a visit to Poland seems beyond the pale!
Kristol is desperate for face-saving openings to dial back his NeverTrumpism tho.
Hahahaaa...my entire extended family should have been a subgroup for Steve and "anthropologists" to study once they started to argue about their legacy (not my dad, btw). We were so fringe for the last 100 years! And, the legacy of our family grows. So, Go Poland! Puolalaiset ovat urhollisia. Please, Suomalaiset...en kirjoita Suomea hyvin :)
They deal in fantasy, not reality.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/06/poland-shocked-xenophobic-abuse-poles-uk-160627105512611.html
I know it won't make me popular around here but outside of the US, White isn't always White (irony intended).Replies: @Tom-in-VA, @Thea, @fnn, @JohnnyD
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I don’t disagree. I think England should stay English, just as Poland should stay Polish.
"The long tail filly and the big black ho's, Doo-da, Doo-da".Replies: @AnotherDad, @Jeff Albertson
Cultural appropriation.
We already are, we’re just not all on the Right.
Once you start looking for post-progressives in the church, you’ll find plenty.
The part of the alt-right that is hostile to Christianity (rather than indifferent or sympathetic), is still people moving from far left to less far left. People who wish to have no religion, keep their socialism and gay marriage but have it only be for white people are not actually on the right. I give it credit, though, for being more honest than mainstream liberals and the current batch of far lefts, to whom the group really belongs.
I know it's mind bending to think of Richard Spencer as essentially a leftist, but his pining for what was, combined with his unwillingness to seriously revisit the thinking behind it, is about a progressivism he doesn't want to let go. In that he's just white person advocate, just the way blacks do in the same progressive framework.I'm going to a wealthy Catholic parish, so that's a no for me. ;) I'm not sure how many post-progressives there really are in any church, other than knowing they are generally not in positions of authority or power, including the Baptists.Replies: @Olorin, @Desiderius
We are legion; we never went anywhere; the church left us, embracing instead blasphemy and heresy such as you cite. When the rascals are thrown out of the pulpit and the congregations purge the churchians, we’ll be more than happy to rejoin them. We didn’t walk away; they kicked us out (for disapproving of their churchianity).
It’s not that you need so much to work at outreach to people like us: you need to work at casting out the corrupt and the wicked, otherwise, no matter how effective your outreach, it will only ever lead to one of us occassionally visiting of a Sunday to see if the coast is clear, then leaving with a dismissive shrug of disgust when the homosexual preacher and the clatch of divorceés start exhorting us to contribute to the fund for refugees and the mission to Honduras (with no word about the families in the neighbourhood who cannot make the rent, of course…).
Baldwin IV was my kind of Christian; nevermind this nonsense about Odin or Joel Olsteen, much less the antichrist currently occupying the palace in Rome.
She should be deported because she doesn’t belong here. She shouldn’t be deported for encouraging peaceful protest.
But here, the cops are the side of non-Whites. Because Nice White Ladies are, and that's where the center of gravity is for White people.
about Trump's speech in Warsaw never once mentions
the 1944 Warsaw Uprising, the greatest armed insurrection
against Nazi Germany in German-occupied Europe, and
the fact that Trump delivered his speech next to the Warsaw
Uprising Monument. On the other hand the story devotes
a lot of space to how Trump slighted the Jews by not visiting
the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising monument (the ghetto, by the way,
was created by the Nazis - prior to 1940 the Jews in Warsaw
were free to live wherever they wanted).Replies: @BB753
Indeed, there was a bit of groveling in Trump’s speech to the Chosenites, but apparently not enough for the usual suspects.
Praising the Poles on a visit to Poland seems beyond the pale!
Deport her for farting and coughing, for all I care. No more knives to gunfights, I say.
I’m of the belief SJWs are a curse from God for our societies collective spiritual short comings and public secularism.
You don’t sound very results oriented.
ANY foreigner mouthing off in America should be fined, imprisoned, and then deported. That’s what Mexico does. It would markedly improve their behavior. Gringos in Mexico know, you don’t say anything about Mexico good or bad; you are a foreigner on tolerance not an immavader.
But here, the cops are the side of non-Whites. Because Nice White Ladies are, and that’s where the center of gravity is for White people.
Wouldn’t be surprised if it turned out to be the case.
I liked the Confederate flag. It suggests that Poles understand what’s going on here in the US. As Trump said in his speech, the more oppressors try to stamp something down, the more it rises up.
His speech was excellent. My grandfather, and most Finns and Norwegians, Baltic peops, and old timers, in Sweden, would have celebrated this. All Eastern Europeans understand this speech…and Russians…once the ole’ awkward “positions” in the jigsaw puzzle are lined-up, they are all-in with this speech, bigly. Putin is a nationalist, after all. He wants to live and keep up the quality of life for his people. He is also, totally into Space, and all; the Elon Musky stuff.
My grandfather always said: “the enemy is very good at deception – do not lose track of the enemy! The enemy will try to convince your neighbors of anything….it’s a trap! Stay clear of compromises that are against your interests.”
So, by summer of 1978, my dear Grandpa was feeding seagulls, alone, down at his pier. But, he never made me forget the fact that I should be afraid and alarmed over “outsiders” and aggressors willing to oppress me and my fellow citizens….even in “Amerikka.” Fear is a huge and kinda’ weirdly, beloved thing in my family history. We are sort of “fearists.”
During these last few months, I sure wish my father and my grandfather were around to witness this madness they predicted. They always said: socialism doesn’t work; people are tribal and take care of family first. Immediate community is next..county…state. But, unity could only come from the smallest, tribal unit blowing into the same embers.
Europeans do not understand the nuances of the Civil War.
Hahaaa Desi! You nailed it: Kristol needs to figure out his “retirement plan.” Once you are in your late 60’s -70’s (not me, for 10-20 years!) the idea of your legacy becomes a thing.
Hahahaaa…my entire extended family should have been a subgroup for Steve and “anthropologists” to study once they started to argue about their legacy (not my dad, btw). We were so fringe for the last 100 years! And, the legacy of our family grows. So, Go Poland! Puolalaiset ovat urhollisia. Please, Suomalaiset…en kirjoita Suomea hyvin 🙂
Steven Miller did nothing wrong!
I wouldn’t say that, it sounds quite wink-nudgy to me:
Translation: the jihad against Trump is the same as the jihad against Assad. Wink wink, nudge nudge.
(And, in the full spirit of intellectual honesty, the lefties Steve is quoting are right that Trump’s speech was full of dog-whistling to identitarians, which is why it’s getting rave reviews here).
I guess batting .250 is OK if you were a baseball player, but it illustrates that the Left is too stupid, willfully ignorant, and too afraid of exposure to CrimeThink to even understand who they are fighting. Luckily, a perfect formula for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.Replies: @AM, @Allen, @James Richard
“No kidding. Almost none of the alt-righters I ever listen to make any reference to God unless it is Odin”
I don’t know which alt-righters you’re following, but a large chunk of the alt-right is at least sympathetic to or supportive of Christianity, and many overtly Christian (Voxday comes to mind as someone very vocal about his Christian faith). Consider quotes like this from Roissy/Heartiste:
“Those who think the White West can be unyoked from Christianity and not just survive but thrive are fools; Christianity can no more be excised from the West than charity, empathy, genius, poetry, and high trust can be cut out from Western societies without permanently altering the character of the people. Discarding Christianity is taking a hatchet to a part of the essence of European man and expecting him to walk off the operating table unchanged.”
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2017/06/07/islam-as-anti-christianity/
Likewise you can find quite a lot of people sympathetic to Christianity on /pol. See these posts from the pol forever twitter (you might need to open the link to see all the images though):
https://twitter.com/polNewsForever/status/882773614935846912
You’ll even get in trouble on DailyStormer if you try to attack Christianity, though you’ll also get in trouble if you attack paganism over Christianity. As I recall, one of the moderators over there posted a graphic showing a pagan Norseman and a Crusader standing together against modern degenerates.
As mentioned earlier, the Christian Voxday highlighted Christianity as one of the pillars of Western Civilization in his 16 points:
“The Alt Right believes Western civilization is the pinnacle of human achievement and supports its three foundational pillars: Christianity, the European nations, and the Graeco-Roman legacy.”
http://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/08/what-alt-right-is.html
That’s not even getting into the number of Christians you can find on Return of the Kings and other redpill sites or alt-right fellow-travelers like Ramzpaul.
I would agree that Christianity is essential to restoring the West and sanity to our society. Thankfully, quite a lot of alt-right figures seem at least sympathetic to Christianity, as I pointed out in my reply to Alfa158
Apparently a few of them do.
is a video of the speech. Skip ahead to 41:30 and you will see a Confederate flag in the crowd. Why is it there? Also, what is the crowd chanting? "Drain That Swamp!"? "Lock Her Up!"?
As if to make the welcome extra-warm, the surname of the Polish president Andrzej Duda is taken from the refrain of an American song by Stephen Foster:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdZliSDhgXYReplies: @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY), @Joe Stalin, @Anon 2
I didn’t see the Confederate flag in the audience
but if you watched the entire TV broadcast, you would
have noticed that quite a few U.S. servicemen came to see
Trump speak, and they sat in the audience. Thousands of
U.S. troops are now stationed in Poland. Or perhaps
those specific servicemen are assigned to the American
embassy in Warsaw
Sure, Muslims can do as Linda Sarsour says and defend their traditions and practices against pressure to assimilate to the mainstream. As can, say, the Hasidim of Kiryas Joel. But let a bunch of traditionalist White Christians try to do the same thing…
I think you’re approaching it from the wrong angle. Modern Christian churches are predominantly anti-white, especially the Catholics and High Church Protestants, though now the SBC is signaling the Low Church is compromised as well. They wouldn’t take the alt-right. Not the other way round.
http://archbishopcranmer.com/church-england-general-synod-2017-persecuted-church/
That does not change the idea that Christianity - and this will sound arrogant because it is - "broke" white pagan religions. It appears that most white Europeans can be Christians, sympathetic to Christianity, or reject it. Those are the choices. What they cannot do is go back to believing in Odin in a serious, adult manner. That's why I'm saying we will have to wrestle with Christianity as group.
Christianity is not inherently anti-white or anti-nationalistic. In fact, Vatican I (not Vatican II), was an attempt to deal with the extreme nationalism that was creeping into Catholicism at the time. It was getting to the point where the Spanish Bishops wouldn't deal with the French Bishops, etc. While that is taking Christianity to far in one direction what you see in modern churches takes it way too far in the other.
Christianity as whole is shrinking right now. There many churches that exist right now that will not have enough of a congregation in 20-30 years to support a building. All of the dieing congregations have same progressive creep in them that makes them anti-white. Meanwhile, the growing ones are much more conservative/orthodox and much open to alt-right ideas.
If you're interested in more orthodox with (with a little "o") Christinaity and the alt-right, Vox Day's blog is good. I'm also reading through the Politically Incorrect Guide to Catholicism. Except for keeping a politically correct view of Judiasm (kind of - they still need to accept Christ), the author explains carefully why a Catholic can't believe in socialism, gun control, and mass immigration despite the rot of institutional Catholicism. Even if you no interest in Catholicism otherwise, it explains clearly why Catholicism was never intended as the religion of an open borders, Democratic party.
The people of the world see a dick head as well as Americans.
P.S I wonder what effect the low-key doxxing of Steve Miller, "the architect of the travel ban" has had on guys named Steve and or Miller.
Well, Steve, been treated any more differently lately?Replies: @dr kill, @Difference Maker
Joke’s on you, any fool upset with a Steve or Miller is actually the one who will be judged and persecuted. We are the winners
You need to think like a security officer, like a ruler, not a mealy mouthed lawyer
The Church of England is as gay as can be.
http://archbishopcranmer.com/church-england-general-synod-2017-persecuted-church/
While Christianity is pleasant among religions, I would have done much better without it. It is not for everyone
You don’t need to be Christian to Deus Vult
The thing is that Christianity is not pleasant. It says you and I and everyone on the planet have the stain of people we've never met. That our world is chaotic because of spiritual failing a long time ago. And it says that some of us will never be made right and that's by our own personal choice.
Christ himself presents with us either a blasphamous, arrogant, and dangerous mad man who maybe should have been put to death...or He was exactly who He said he was, a situation so mind bending as to not be pleasant in the least.
The trappings of Christianity are pleasant. The Christmas trees, the courtesy, the hospitals/schools, the respect for free will, the insistence on individual human dignity. But those are side effects at best. Making the spiritual sausage is rather more gruesome.I'm great with people who are at least sympathetic. It's a start. But we need our Christian soldiers back for real.
We need people willing to make personal sacrifices again. That doesn't happen when people are like, "Well, I had a bad experience, and Christianity is kind of pleasant, but that's for other people". Saving the West, in a real way, starts with individuals figuring out if there is any honest way they can go back to church. To wrestle with the monster called Christianity despite their own bad experiences. To not equivacate it among world religions, because it is not an equal or even vaguely the same.Replies: @Difference Maker
I don't like Sansour and her choice of wording was idiotic, but she wasn't calling for violence. If anything, she was discouraging violence, saying that Muslims should be satisfied with non violent protests.Replies: @Difference Maker
Contact with Islam makes holy warriors of Buddhists, in times ancient and now
but if you watched the entire TV broadcast, you would
have noticed that quite a few U.S. servicemen came to see
Trump speak, and they sat in the audience. Thousands of
U.S. troops are now stationed in Poland. Or perhaps
those specific servicemen are assigned to the American
embassy in WarsawReplies: @dr kill
Who were all the young men in camo wearing cavalry Stetsons? ours or theirs?
I’ve said as much in my post.
That does not change the idea that Christianity – and this will sound arrogant because it is – “broke” white pagan religions. It appears that most white Europeans can be Christians, sympathetic to Christianity, or reject it. Those are the choices. What they cannot do is go back to believing in Odin in a serious, adult manner. That’s why I’m saying we will have to wrestle with Christianity as group.
Christianity is not inherently anti-white or anti-nationalistic. In fact, Vatican I (not Vatican II), was an attempt to deal with the extreme nationalism that was creeping into Catholicism at the time. It was getting to the point where the Spanish Bishops wouldn’t deal with the French Bishops, etc. While that is taking Christianity to far in one direction what you see in modern churches takes it way too far in the other.
Christianity as whole is shrinking right now. There many churches that exist right now that will not have enough of a congregation in 20-30 years to support a building. All of the dieing congregations have same progressive creep in them that makes them anti-white. Meanwhile, the growing ones are much more conservative/orthodox and much open to alt-right ideas.
If you’re interested in more orthodox with (with a little “o”) Christinaity and the alt-right, Vox Day’s blog is good. I’m also reading through the Politically Incorrect Guide to Catholicism. Except for keeping a politically correct view of Judiasm (kind of – they still need to accept Christ), the author explains carefully why a Catholic can’t believe in socialism, gun control, and mass immigration despite the rot of institutional Catholicism. Even if you no interest in Catholicism otherwise, it explains clearly why Catholicism was never intended as the religion of an open borders, Democratic party.
You don't need to be Christian to Deus VultReplies: @AM
Would you have done better without Christianity, or the fallen humans trying to shove it down your throat as child? (Sorry about the guess, but that’s the usual thing when people blame Christianity. It’s usually a bad experience with the people around them.)
The thing is that Christianity is not pleasant. It says you and I and everyone on the planet have the stain of people we’ve never met. That our world is chaotic because of spiritual failing a long time ago. And it says that some of us will never be made right and that’s by our own personal choice.
Christ himself presents with us either a blasphamous, arrogant, and dangerous mad man who maybe should have been put to death…or He was exactly who He said he was, a situation so mind bending as to not be pleasant in the least.
The trappings of Christianity are pleasant. The Christmas trees, the courtesy, the hospitals/schools, the respect for free will, the insistence on individual human dignity. But those are side effects at best. Making the spiritual sausage is rather more gruesome.
I’m great with people who are at least sympathetic. It’s a start. But we need our Christian soldiers back for real.
We need people willing to make personal sacrifices again. That doesn’t happen when people are like, “Well, I had a bad experience, and Christianity is kind of pleasant, but that’s for other people”. Saving the West, in a real way, starts with individuals figuring out if there is any honest way they can go back to church. To wrestle with the monster called Christianity despite their own bad experiences. To not equivacate it among world religions, because it is not an equal or even vaguely the same.
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That’s maybe what happened in the beginning, I think. Then the Christians converted the pagan Norseman. We can wait for them to come around. 😉
Most Americans do not understand the nuances of the Civil War. It wasn’t even remotely all about slavery and the South called it “The War between The States”.
Once you start looking for post-progressives in the church, you'll find plenty.Replies: @AM
The vast majority of the people incoming to the alt-right are moving from left to right. The right, as would have been recognized even just 100 years but easily 200 years ago, disappeared almost entirely. And I say that in part because I’ve been moving from far left to the right for decades. 🙂
The part of the alt-right that is hostile to Christianity (rather than indifferent or sympathetic), is still people moving from far left to less far left. People who wish to have no religion, keep their socialism and gay marriage but have it only be for white people are not actually on the right. I give it credit, though, for being more honest than mainstream liberals and the current batch of far lefts, to whom the group really belongs.
I know it’s mind bending to think of Richard Spencer as essentially a leftist, but his pining for what was, combined with his unwillingness to seriously revisit the thinking behind it, is about a progressivism he doesn’t want to let go. In that he’s just white person advocate, just the way blacks do in the same progressive framework.
I’m going to a wealthy Catholic parish, so that’s a no for me. 😉 I’m not sure how many post-progressives there really are in any church, other than knowing they are generally not in positions of authority or power, including the Baptists.
http://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2016/october/1180-churches-world-relief-resettle-refugees-record-rate.html
https://cis.org/Religious-Agencies-and-Refugee-Resettlement
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/sep/24/catholic-church-collects-16-billion-in-us-contract/
https://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com/refugee-resettlement-fact-sheets/ (see #22)
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/29/unholy-alliance-christian-charities-profit-1-billion-fed-program-resettle-refugees-40-percent-muslim/
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/the-conservative-churches-resettling-refugees/499421/
Yeah, you bet I'm "hostile" to them.Replies: @AM
But they understand rebellion.
"The long tail filly and the big black ho's, Doo-da, Doo-da".Replies: @AnotherDad, @Jeff Albertson
“What in the wide wide world of sports is agoing on here? I hired you people to get a little track laid, not to jump around like a bunch of Kansas City faggots!”
Fightin’ words from The Don. First Atlantic (thanks to P. Beinert), now Vox. Waiting for Slate to shovel in their contribution to the dung heap.
Gotta hand it to him. Nobody–and I mean NOBODY–can light the candle like The Don.
The thing is that Christianity is not pleasant. It says you and I and everyone on the planet have the stain of people we've never met. That our world is chaotic because of spiritual failing a long time ago. And it says that some of us will never be made right and that's by our own personal choice.
Christ himself presents with us either a blasphamous, arrogant, and dangerous mad man who maybe should have been put to death...or He was exactly who He said he was, a situation so mind bending as to not be pleasant in the least.
The trappings of Christianity are pleasant. The Christmas trees, the courtesy, the hospitals/schools, the respect for free will, the insistence on individual human dignity. But those are side effects at best. Making the spiritual sausage is rather more gruesome.I'm great with people who are at least sympathetic. It's a start. But we need our Christian soldiers back for real.
We need people willing to make personal sacrifices again. That doesn't happen when people are like, "Well, I had a bad experience, and Christianity is kind of pleasant, but that's for other people". Saving the West, in a real way, starts with individuals figuring out if there is any honest way they can go back to church. To wrestle with the monster called Christianity despite their own bad experiences. To not equivacate it among world religions, because it is not an equal or even vaguely the same.Replies: @Difference Maker
Mankind is not equal, but evil, and cannot be uplifted from the darkness
People have forgotten the meaning of the garden of Eden. Not that this means we must be into any self flagellatory cult. I like sinning
The priestly caste of ancient Indo European society needs to be reconstituted. There is a void in the soul of Western man, which will be filled by leftism if we have no spiritual defense
It must be more worldly and in accord with nature. Crusades and Popes with girlfriends
His actions at home need to mirror his oratory in Poland.
“The fundamental question of our time is whether the West has the will to survive.”
Donnld Trump, 2017.
Revilo Pendleton Oliver , 1965
I guess batting .250 is OK if you were a baseball player, but it illustrates that the Left is too stupid, willfully ignorant, and too afraid of exposure to CrimeThink to even understand who they are fighting. Luckily, a perfect formula for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.Replies: @AM, @Allen, @James Richard
The alt.right includes a lot of formerly “radical right” folks including dissident Confederates and League of the South types. Christianity is big for these people:
http://www.occidentaldissent.com/
I was going to say what Alfa said, so instead will say–“What Alfa said.”
The part of the alt-right that is hostile to Christianity (rather than indifferent or sympathetic), is still people moving from far left to less far left. People who wish to have no religion, keep their socialism and gay marriage but have it only be for white people are not actually on the right. I give it credit, though, for being more honest than mainstream liberals and the current batch of far lefts, to whom the group really belongs.
I know it's mind bending to think of Richard Spencer as essentially a leftist, but his pining for what was, combined with his unwillingness to seriously revisit the thinking behind it, is about a progressivism he doesn't want to let go. In that he's just white person advocate, just the way blacks do in the same progressive framework.I'm going to a wealthy Catholic parish, so that's a no for me. ;) I'm not sure how many post-progressives there really are in any church, other than knowing they are generally not in positions of authority or power, including the Baptists.Replies: @Olorin, @Desiderius
And when you’re talking about “religion” and “Christians” and “churches” and “Baptists” and “Catholics” and such, I take it you’re not excluding these:
http://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2016/october/1180-churches-world-relief-resettle-refugees-record-rate.html
https://cis.org/Religious-Agencies-and-Refugee-Resettlement
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/sep/24/catholic-church-collects-16-billion-in-us-contract/
https://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com/refugee-resettlement-fact-sheets/ (see #22)
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/29/unholy-alliance-christian-charities-profit-1-billion-fed-program-resettle-refugees-40-percent-muslim/
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/the-conservative-churches-resettling-refugees/499421/
Yeah, you bet I’m “hostile” to them.
The part of the alt-right that is hostile to Christianity (rather than indifferent or sympathetic), is still people moving from far left to less far left. People who wish to have no religion, keep their socialism and gay marriage but have it only be for white people are not actually on the right. I give it credit, though, for being more honest than mainstream liberals and the current batch of far lefts, to whom the group really belongs.
I know it's mind bending to think of Richard Spencer as essentially a leftist, but his pining for what was, combined with his unwillingness to seriously revisit the thinking behind it, is about a progressivism he doesn't want to let go. In that he's just white person advocate, just the way blacks do in the same progressive framework.I'm going to a wealthy Catholic parish, so that's a no for me. ;) I'm not sure how many post-progressives there really are in any church, other than knowing they are generally not in positions of authority or power, including the Baptists.Replies: @Olorin, @Desiderius
Why is that? Are you not the Body of Christ?
Oh, I don’t think you know any such thing. Do you imagine we’d all make ourselves known just yet?
We are Catholic.That we can't make ourselves known suggests a not so minor numerical difference. The good news is that looking ahead, progressives don't bother to go to church, so we'll have some concentration. That's also possibly really bad news, depending.Replies: @Desiderius, @Desiderius
http://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2016/october/1180-churches-world-relief-resettle-refugees-record-rate.html
https://cis.org/Religious-Agencies-and-Refugee-Resettlement
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/sep/24/catholic-church-collects-16-billion-in-us-contract/
https://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com/refugee-resettlement-fact-sheets/ (see #22)
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/29/unholy-alliance-christian-charities-profit-1-billion-fed-program-resettle-refugees-40-percent-muslim/
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/the-conservative-churches-resettling-refugees/499421/
Yeah, you bet I'm "hostile" to them.Replies: @AM
So I am. However, I recognize that in order to be Christain I need to go to church, and because of it’s structure, Catholicism is one of the least pozzed theologically right now.
We do not give to the Bishop’s fund, which is completely off the rails and doing most of that work in the US. We give a small amount each week to keep the lights on and any charity giving is done outside of church venues for all the articles you site.
I’ve found the tiny narrow ledge called, Christian, Catholic and recognizing that what the Catholic teaches is true even of it’s own institutions. I can follow Christ and do my best without supporting institutions that are actively decaying Western civilization.
From my POV, we’re not going ride out what comes next without a return to a meaningful spiritual life. Don’t let the cucks keep you from your birthright.
Sorry, my bad. It was unclear writing. In my wealthy Catholic parish, I don’t think I’m going to find many post-progressives. It’s like progressivism found it’s happy place at my parish.
We are Catholic.
That we can’t make ourselves known suggests a not so minor numerical difference. The good news is that looking ahead, progressives don’t bother to go to church, so we’ll have some concentration. That’s also possibly really bad news, depending.
Christianity “broke” the pagan religions. It is not possible to go back to worshiping trees and animals and playing with Odin dolls after understanding just an outline of Christian concepts.
I’ve only met one serious pagan online. He is sympathetic to Christianity, respectful of the concept of a monothestic God, and is frustrated with degeneracy. When you ping him on his theology, it’s like listening to Christian ideas of this life and the afterlife in slightly different vocabulary. He would be right at home at a church and probably more instantly Christian than some of those who have been showing up for years.
The rest of the alt-right pagans I’ve encountered online, to a person, are atheist LARPers with chips on their shoulder about Christianity.
As for “I like sinning”, obviously you like being a version of yourself that lessor than the version involved with trying to be your best. Which Christianity predicts. If you listen carefully to the Christian message, self-flagellation is not necessary (Christ died for our sins) but real regret and attempts to change are.
You have to try, in other words and that’s hard. Don’t blame you for avoiding it, but it’s not Christianity’s’ fault, either, that you don’t want to.
The generally cucked nature of all the Western denominations is a recent infection. So recent that Vatican I (1870) was, in part, an attempt to curb the nationalistic nature that Catholicism was taking on in Europe. What’s happening right now, is so not Christian as to almost unrecognizable as such. It maybe the balance over time from the 19th/20th centuries. But certainly Christianity is not anti-male and lacking in Christian soldiers.
Pathetic beats apathetic.
"Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light."
- Matthew 11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZBiPqb-syA
We are Catholic.That we can't make ourselves known suggests a not so minor numerical difference. The good news is that looking ahead, progressives don't bother to go to church, so we'll have some concentration. That's also possibly really bad news, depending.Replies: @Desiderius, @Desiderius
No, just that we’re known for our faith. It’s the progs who are known for their politics.
We are Catholic.That we can't make ourselves known suggests a not so minor numerical difference. The good news is that looking ahead, progressives don't bother to go to church, so we'll have some concentration. That's also possibly really bad news, depending.Replies: @Desiderius, @Desiderius
The wealthy are always the last to get with the program – eye of the needle and all.
At the end of the day, I can say with some conviction that the alternative is harder.
Pathetic beats apathetic.
“Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”
– Matthew 11