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From Vox:

Minneapolis police shot an unarmed woman in her pajamas. They haven’t explained why.

The officers had body cameras when they shot Justine Damond — but didn’t turn them on.
Updated by German Lopez @germanrlopez [email protected] Jul 17, 2017, 7:31pm EDT

And then it goes on for 2000 words without ever mentioning the name or ethnicity of the cop who shot the unarmed blonde lady wearing pajamas who had come out to tell the cops that she had heard suspicious noises.

Just like with the San Francisco Bay Area Rapid Transit refusing to release tapes of teen gang assaults on train-riders because it would confirm deplorable stereotypes, mentioning the name of the Minneapolis shooter cop — Mohamed Noor — might lead to suspicions that Minnesota police departments have affirmative action programs that lead to incompetent nonwhites like Noor and Jeronimo Yanez, who shot Philando Castile a year ago, getting hired.

Update: at 10:11 pm Vox added a sentence mentioning the shooter cop’s name.

 
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  1. . . . and, oh, Mrs. Lincoln . . . besides that minor bit of unpleasantness that accidently took place behind your husband’s temple for a tiny brief moment there . . . well, I’m just dying to know . . . no pun intended – – – how did you like the play?

  2. Has Fleet Street come to our aid yet with the news that American papers dare not print?

    • Replies: @res
    @Clark Westwood

    Yes. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4703892/Police-officer-shot-Justine-Damond-identified.html

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @MikeJa

  3. anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Get woke Steve. Maybe Officer Noor was suffering from racial fatigue? The alleged victim sounds like a dreaded “nice white lady”, maybe Noor “hit his limit” after “being tone-policed and condescended to and ‘splained to” by a woman oblivious to her privilege. This could could be Duke law grad April M. Hathcock, Esq.‘s chance to get back in the legal arena.

    • LOL: Kylie
  4. No doubt, before too long we can expect to see the quaint Islamic custom of “blue-on-green” killings enrich our own culture in police departments across the fruited plain.

  5. Were the officers even blutbefleckt?

  6. Perhaps, at this time, we should avoid snark and simply be thankful that the police aren’t given machetes.

  7. What the Minneapolis Police were doing in her pajamas I’ll never know.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @johnny789

    Autochthon, you have a long-lost twin brother here. It's a miracle!


    ;-}


    OK, now I AM getting confused - headline of the Steve post 2 back (have not read) is:

    Unarmed Immigrant Woman Shot by Minneapolis Police

    Were they both immigrants, or only the cop? How about the Vox writer - is he and immigrant? It's getting out of hand.

    Replies: @Johnny789

  8. His attorney has already wheeled out the sob stories:

    Noor’s attorney released a statement to the news media. It said that Noor came to the United States “at a young age” and that police work is a calling to him:

    Officer Noor extends his condolences to the family and anyone else who has been touched by this event. He takes their loss seriously and keeps them in his daily thoughts and prayers. He came to the United States at a young age and is thankful to have had so many opportunities. He takes these events very seriously because, for him, being a police officer is a calling. He joined the police force to serve the community and to protect the people he serves. Officer Noor is a caring person with a family he loves and he empathizes with the loss others are experiencing.

    The current environment for police is difficult, but Officer Noor accepts this as part of his calling. We would like to say more, and will in the future. At this time, however, there are several investigations ongoing and Officer Noor wants to respect the privacy to the family and asks the same in return during this difficult period.

    http://heavy.com/news/2017/07/mohamed-noor-justine-damond-ruszczyk-minneapolis-police-officer-somali-mohammed/

    • Replies: @Barnard
    @Peripatetic commenter

    It would seem that the best case scenario/explanation for Noor is that he accidentally discharged his weapon, which would be total incompetence. Regardless, I think there is a good chance of a conviction in this case unless they refuse to charge him because we can't let our diversity become a victim of this tragedy.

    Replies: @Alden, @Jus' Sayin'...

    , @Alfa158
    @Peripatetic commenter

    "He takes these events very seriously" Is The Onion even able to stay in business any more?

    Replies: @Peripatetic commenter, @Ben Kurtz

    , @Clyde
    @Peripatetic commenter

    What horse shit/ This Muslim Noor killed a White woman for no good reason. Who was a repository for good genetic material, unlike Noor.

    Replies: @Expletive Deleted

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Peripatetic commenter


    His attorney has already wheeled out the sob stories:
     
    He joined the police force - he was turning his life around.
  9. The last time I ran into German Lopez was in a mining camp saloon on the outskirts of Potosi. He was glaring at a poker hand that was wearing a sombrero of cigar smoke, and when he turned to look up at me, I froze. His eyes, almond shaped and catlike, were the same color as the golden incisor that speared into his cheroot. I felt my throat and noticed for the first time how divisible its various skin tissues seemed. I prayed to God for a mug of the milk of human kindness and would have settled for a shot-glass of the half-and-half of human indifference. But in the face of that terrible gaze, as wild as the jungles of the Yucatan and as fatal as the whirring death-machines of Herr Meister Krupp, I knew that this Kraut-Spic behemoth, this Hun with the Wet Back, would dance a polka on my spine just as easily as he would blitzkrieg a piñata while collecting a welfare check from Poland.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @Mikey Darmody

    Don't quit your day job.

    Replies: @Mikey Darmody

    , @Joe Sweet
    @Mikey Darmody

    Gato? Is that you?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Paul Jolliffe
    @Mikey Darmody

    "Say, was you ever bit by a dead bee?"

    (Might you be in this esteemed volume from my bookshelf?)

    https://www.amazon.com/Best-Bad-Hemingway-imitation-competition/dp/0156118610

    , @Ragno
    @Mikey Darmody

    Full marks!

  10. @Mikey Darmody
    The last time I ran into German Lopez was in a mining camp saloon on the outskirts of Potosi. He was glaring at a poker hand that was wearing a sombrero of cigar smoke, and when he turned to look up at me, I froze. His eyes, almond shaped and catlike, were the same color as the golden incisor that speared into his cheroot. I felt my throat and noticed for the first time how divisible its various skin tissues seemed. I prayed to God for a mug of the milk of human kindness and would have settled for a shot-glass of the half-and-half of human indifference. But in the face of that terrible gaze, as wild as the jungles of the Yucatan and as fatal as the whirring death-machines of Herr Meister Krupp, I knew that this Kraut-Spic behemoth, this Hun with the Wet Back, would dance a polka on my spine just as easily as he would blitzkrieg a piñata while collecting a welfare check from Poland.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Joe Sweet, @Paul Jolliffe, @Ragno

    Don’t quit your day job.

    • LOL: Trelane
    • Replies: @Mikey Darmody
    @anonymous

    Joke's on you, I'm unemployed! :)
    Jk, jk. For real tho, Anon, you better have some respect or I'mma sic CNN's KFile on you.

    Replies: @SteveRogers42

  11. From World Net Daily:

    Noor joined the department in March 2015 and is assigned to the 5th Precinct in southwest Minneapolis. Before that, he worked in property management.

    The Minneapolis Office of Police Conduct Review contains records that show Noor has had three complaints filed against him, two of which remain open, the Star-Tribune reports. Another was closed without discipline.

    Minneapolis has the nation’s largest concentration of Somali refugees, with the community estimated at approximately 50,000 strong in the city. The city’s Democrat mayor and council have made every effort to hire Somalis as part of the city’s diversity program.

    In other words, native-born Americans are being shunted aside and passed over for jobs in favor of non-natives, whose salaries are in turn often paid by the natives. What a racket!

    Deplorables are the new kulaks. Third-world immigrants are the new proletariat. If a few kulaks need to be removed or taken out to advance the revolution, then so be it.

    Onwards, comrades! Our work has only just begun!

    • Replies: @Cato
    @King Baeksu

    50,000? Maybe. But the number Somalis themselves bandy about (I heard this from a Somali cab driver in Nashville) is 150,000. And I heard 100,000 for Columbus, Ohio.

    , @NOTA
    @King Baeksu

    After the respectable media sources have spent all their credibility protecting their readers from narrative-disturbing facts, how are they going to regain it?

    Replies: @King Baeksu

    , @CrunchyButRealistCon
    @King Baeksu

    How does the LibHive operate? Well we know by now:

    If facts on ground don't conform to their Narrative:
    1) Obfuscate, Side-step, Omit
    2) Stall for time....let interest fade by ignoring the story
    3) Prepare counter-narrative by crafting tale of VizMin's humble background & innocence as a child
    4) Pre-shame the Outraged by "Backlash" accusation.
    5) Use an govt, judicial or bureaucratic allies to hide/conceal/destroy evidence

    What we'll discover in the coming days is how much they need to use #s 4 & 5 since #s 1 thru 3 are becoming such weak ploys.

    Replies: @Negrolphin Pool

    , @Ragno
    @King Baeksu


    Deplorables are the new kulaks. If a few kulaks need to be removed or taken out to advance the revolution, then so be it.
     
    You might want to start hoarding food in that case.
  12. @Peripatetic commenter
    His attorney has already wheeled out the sob stories:


    Noor’s attorney released a statement to the news media. It said that Noor came to the United States “at a young age” and that police work is a calling to him:


    Officer Noor extends his condolences to the family and anyone else who has been touched by this event. He takes their loss seriously and keeps them in his daily thoughts and prayers. He came to the United States at a young age and is thankful to have had so many opportunities. He takes these events very seriously because, for him, being a police officer is a calling. He joined the police force to serve the community and to protect the people he serves. Officer Noor is a caring person with a family he loves and he empathizes with the loss others are experiencing.

    The current environment for police is difficult, but Officer Noor accepts this as part of his calling. We would like to say more, and will in the future. At this time, however, there are several investigations ongoing and Officer Noor wants to respect the privacy to the family and asks the same in return during this difficult period.

     


     
    http://heavy.com/news/2017/07/mohamed-noor-justine-damond-ruszczyk-minneapolis-police-officer-somali-mohammed/

    Replies: @Barnard, @Alfa158, @Clyde, @Mr. Anon

    It would seem that the best case scenario/explanation for Noor is that he accidentally discharged his weapon, which would be total incompetence. Regardless, I think there is a good chance of a conviction in this case unless they refuse to charge him because we can’t let our diversity become a victim of this tragedy.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Barnard

    According to several stories he reached across the driver and shot her several times. So it wasn't an accident. I don't know about Minneapolis, but lots of departments, particular in liberal criminal loving cities, have all sorts of rules about taking the gun out of the holster. Most require a report written if the gun is taken out if the holster.

    Replies: @Expletive Deleted

    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    @Barnard

    I'm reposting this here, not out of egomania, but because word needs to get out that this cop either deliberately shot this woman or was handling his weapon in a way that made him a deadly menace to anyone in the vicinity:

    Here http://www.ci.minneapolis.mn.us/police/policy/mpdpolicy_3-200_3-200 it says that allowed duty hand guns in the Minneapolis PD are the following: Sig Sauer P320; Glock Gen 4 17, 19 and 21; Smith & Wesson M&P pistol; Sig Sauer P226 and P227, and Berretta 92 Series.

    I am familiar with the operating characteristics of all these pistols and have used several. All but the last named Sig Sauer Series and the Beretta 92 are striker action pistols. They require at least 4.5 lbs of finger pressure to discharge every time.

    The Sig Sauer p226/P227 and Beretta 92 are double action/single action semi-autos with decocking levers. If these pistols are properly used it is basically impossible for them to discharge accidentally. If the safety/decocking lever is not on safety, a round is in the chamber, and the hammer is down it again takes about 4.5 pounds of finger pressure to discharge the first round.

    The bottom line is that if this Somali idiot/thug was carrying a proper weapon in an approved manner the only way he could have fired his weapon was deliberately and with intent. He’s guilty of manslaughter or murder either way. The lesser charge should include at least depraved indifference.

    Why are we letting these thuggish morons into our country when it is obvious they are utterly unsuited to be citizens.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anon, @bomag

  13. From HuffPo, the charge that blacks can expect a “double standard” in the treatment, investigation, and possible prosecution of this case.

    The slaying of Justine Damond, a white woman from Australia, by a Minneapolis police officer, defies the by now-routine ritual of a police shooting of a civilian. The ritual goes like this. A white, or non-black, cop guns down a young, generally unarmed, African-American male. There is the inevitable rage and protests. Police officials hold a press conference and solemnly promise to investigate. The officer involved is put on “administrative leave.”

    Weeks later, the investigation wraps up, with no charges filed. Now there’s Damond. She seemingly shatters the ritual. She’s a she. She’s white. And she’s from the very white Australia to boot. The gender issue is an issue here though only because she’s white. It has meant next to nothing when the victim is a black woman. In the past three years more than a dozen black women have been gunned down by police.

    Now the intriguing question is, what will be different this time? The answer: a lot. Minneapolis Mayor Betsy Hodges instantly said she was “heartsick and deeply disturbed.” The reporting about the shooting is the gentlest of kid gloves. There was not the slightest hint she had drug, crime involvement, and no mention of any criminal record. There were warm, glowing vigils held for her. The state’s Bureau of Criminal Apprehension quickly announced that it would press to determine if there was any video footage of the slaying.

    This is not prima facie proof of any racial or gender double standard of what happens when police kill whites. However, the initial signals are strong of differences.

    Earl Ofari Hutchinson is an author and political analyst. His forthcoming book, The Trump Challenge to Black America (Middle Passage Press) will be released in August. He is a weekly co-host of the Al Sharpton Show on Radio One.

    • Replies: @utu
    @CCZ

    This is not prima facie proof of any racial or gender double standard of what happens when police kill whites. However, the initial signals are strong of differences.

    What a bunch of BS. In 2016 out of 1093 killed by police 574 were white and 266 were black. Somehow we haven't heard much about white victims. This is because Whites do not care about people being killed police and they hear only about Black victims which deep down they may feel it was justified. Blacks, on the other hand muster some ethnic solidarity which, however is used to legitimize police brutality. For this reason BLM was invented and paid for by who know who. But certainly it was not spontaneous grass root initiative. In the long run police brutality per se is never addressed and solved because it is always framed in racial issue. Even now by Sailer who obsesses about the race of the cop and not upon the deed and its real causes. This is the perfect example why TPTB love the multicultural society and its useful idiots, when they can dive and rule by creation ethnic tensions and strife. Slavery is the gift that keeps on giving to them and in Europe they had started importing migrants from disparate cultures and ethnicities after they discovered how well this works in the US of A for the elite.

    Replies: @Rod1963, @syonredux, @Anon

    , @David In TN
    @CCZ

    Hutchinson is whining that the victim is treated sympathetically due to being a white woman "from very white Australia," which Hutchinson apparently views as a bad place.

    I don't think Hutchinson mentioned the cop was black and an "immigrant" from Somalia.

    Replies: @Escher

    , @Alec Leamas
    @CCZ

    It's interesting how conspicuous the omission of the salient fact is - that most often the blacks who were shot were engaging in some sort of attack on the police officer following suspicion of a crime or waiving a convincing fake firearm. This is literally the legally significant factor in the Anglo-American justice system that justifies the shootings of the blacks in these cases. But Ofari-Hutchinson chooses not to acknowledge this or why the absence of this fact makes the recent Minneapolis case of the dead Australian different.

    But I suppose if you're in an outsider African tribe, the Anglo-American justice system and its well-laid rules seems foreign to you because what matters is that a member of another tribe killed one of yours regardless of the circumstances. This would explain why the comparatively much greater rate of intra-tribe, black-on-black murders don't raise a hue and cry, and also why there is no embarrassment at the rate of black on everybody else crime.

    The only thing that matters is that the other tribe got one of yours and the other facts are irrelevant.

  14. @Peripatetic commenter
    His attorney has already wheeled out the sob stories:


    Noor’s attorney released a statement to the news media. It said that Noor came to the United States “at a young age” and that police work is a calling to him:


    Officer Noor extends his condolences to the family and anyone else who has been touched by this event. He takes their loss seriously and keeps them in his daily thoughts and prayers. He came to the United States at a young age and is thankful to have had so many opportunities. He takes these events very seriously because, for him, being a police officer is a calling. He joined the police force to serve the community and to protect the people he serves. Officer Noor is a caring person with a family he loves and he empathizes with the loss others are experiencing.

    The current environment for police is difficult, but Officer Noor accepts this as part of his calling. We would like to say more, and will in the future. At this time, however, there are several investigations ongoing and Officer Noor wants to respect the privacy to the family and asks the same in return during this difficult period.

     


     
    http://heavy.com/news/2017/07/mohamed-noor-justine-damond-ruszczyk-minneapolis-police-officer-somali-mohammed/

    Replies: @Barnard, @Alfa158, @Clyde, @Mr. Anon

    “He takes these events very seriously” Is The Onion even able to stay in business any more?

    • Replies: @Peripatetic commenter
    @Alfa158

    Well, perhaps the attorney meant that he takes the business of killing white women seriously.

    , @Ben Kurtz
    @Alfa158

    Good sir, we reached the Onion Singularity years ago; kind of like the Turing Test, it's when the average reader can no longer reliability differentiate between "serious journalism" and satire:


    https://benkurtzblog.wordpress.com/2016/06/28/congratulations-to-the-red-cross-for-beating-donald-trump-at-his-own-game-racism/

  15. It may be about time to generalize the Adverse Inference:

    If a party line source seems to be hiding something when it comes to identifying a violent perp, THAT FACT ALONE is sufficient evidence to infer that the violent perp belongs to a Sacred Victim Class.

    https://benkurtzblog.wordpress.com/2017/07/13/barts-adverse-inference/

    • Replies: @GW
    @Ben Kurtz

    +1.

  16. No need to disrupt the ‘police shoot innocents’ narrative, and since the officer was a Mohamedian, the story will be disappeared in…3…2…1…

  17. @Alfa158
    @Peripatetic commenter

    "He takes these events very seriously" Is The Onion even able to stay in business any more?

    Replies: @Peripatetic commenter, @Ben Kurtz

    Well, perhaps the attorney meant that he takes the business of killing white women seriously.

  18. @Alfa158
    @Peripatetic commenter

    "He takes these events very seriously" Is The Onion even able to stay in business any more?

    Replies: @Peripatetic commenter, @Ben Kurtz

    Good sir, we reached the Onion Singularity years ago; kind of like the Turing Test, it’s when the average reader can no longer reliability differentiate between “serious journalism” and satire:

    https://benkurtzblog.wordpress.com/2016/06/28/congratulations-to-the-red-cross-for-beating-donald-trump-at-his-own-game-racism/

  19. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    I like how the Australian newspaper headline is “An American Tragedy,” as if the cop who gunned down this Australian lady (who sounds like a bit of a flake herself) was just as American as apple pie, as Minnesotan as Tater tot hot dish, and if the story is as always gun control.

    It’s worth noting how for the American press the Narrative can work with virtually any violent incident that is anything but black on black: minority cop kills white the story is police brutality; minority cop kills minority the story is racist police brutality; white cop kills minority the story is white racist police brutality; minority kills more diverse minority the story is racism; white kills minority the story is white racism. The only crimes that don’t fit the narrative are of the most common type: black on black, Hispanic on Hispanic, white on white, etc.

  20. I suggest you submit this to the Bulwer-Lytton Fiction Contest.

    • Replies: @Trelane
    @Trelane

    Meant for #9 above not OP.

    Hey Ron Unz, how about a method to ex post facto edit or correct bad posts?

  21. @King Baeksu
    From World Net Daily:

    Noor joined the department in March 2015 and is assigned to the 5th Precinct in southwest Minneapolis. Before that, he worked in property management.

    The Minneapolis Office of Police Conduct Review contains records that show Noor has had three complaints filed against him, two of which remain open, the Star-Tribune reports. Another was closed without discipline.

    Minneapolis has the nation’s largest concentration of Somali refugees, with the community estimated at approximately 50,000 strong in the city. The city’s Democrat mayor and council have made every effort to hire Somalis as part of the city’s diversity program.
     

    In other words, native-born Americans are being shunted aside and passed over for jobs in favor of non-natives, whose salaries are in turn often paid by the natives. What a racket!

    Deplorables are the new kulaks. Third-world immigrants are the new proletariat. If a few kulaks need to be removed or taken out to advance the revolution, then so be it.

    Onwards, comrades! Our work has only just begun!

    Replies: @Cato, @NOTA, @CrunchyButRealistCon, @Ragno

    50,000? Maybe. But the number Somalis themselves bandy about (I heard this from a Somali cab driver in Nashville) is 150,000. And I heard 100,000 for Columbus, Ohio.

  22. The shooting occurred in an upscale Minneapolis neighborhood with lots of liberal white Obama supporters. At some point they just might catch on that diversity and affirmative action are not in their best interest.

    • Replies: @lavoisier
    @JimB

    Don't hold your breath.

    You can take the Scandinavian out of Sweden, but you cannot take the Sweden out of the Scandinavian.

    Replies: @Olorin

  23. @Clark Westwood
    Has Fleet Street come to our aid yet with the news that American papers dare not print?

    Replies: @res

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    @res

    res,

    As usual, the Daily Mail goes where none of the other MSM dare go!

    BTW, it always puzzled me how come the DM is so conversant with the US. The explanation: they a New York City bureau.

    , @MikeJa
    @res

    No mention of the officer in the Guardian. The BBC named him.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/18/justine-damond-shooting-australians-last-moments-heard-over-us-police-radio

  24. Readers will remember the line in Blazing Saddles spoken by the urban-cool black sheriff: “Where’s the white women at?”

    Little did we know that the black peace officer was looking for someone to kill, rather than for some innocent, non-consensual inter-racial lurve.

  25. utu says:
    @CCZ
    From HuffPo, the charge that blacks can expect a "double standard" in the treatment, investigation, and possible prosecution of this case.

    The slaying of Justine Damond, a white woman from Australia, by a Minneapolis police officer, defies the by now-routine ritual of a police shooting of a civilian. The ritual goes like this. A white, or non-black, cop guns down a young, generally unarmed, African-American male. There is the inevitable rage and protests. Police officials hold a press conference and solemnly promise to investigate. The officer involved is put on “administrative leave.”

    Weeks later, the investigation wraps up, with no charges filed. Now there’s Damond. She seemingly shatters the ritual. She’s a she. She’s white. And she’s from the very white Australia to boot. The gender issue is an issue here though only because she’s white. It has meant next to nothing when the victim is a black woman. In the past three years more than a dozen black women have been gunned down by police.

    Now the intriguing question is, what will be different this time? The answer: a lot. Minneapolis Mayor Betsy Hodges instantly said she was “heartsick and deeply disturbed.” The reporting about the shooting is the gentlest of kid gloves. There was not the slightest hint she had drug, crime involvement, and no mention of any criminal record. There were warm, glowing vigils held for her. The state’s Bureau of Criminal Apprehension quickly announced that it would press to determine if there was any video footage of the slaying.

    This is not prima facie proof of any racial or gender double standard of what happens when police kill whites. However, the initial signals are strong of differences.

    Earl Ofari Hutchinson is an author and political analyst. His forthcoming book, The Trump Challenge to Black America (Middle Passage Press) will be released in August. He is a weekly co-host of the Al Sharpton Show on Radio One.

     

    Replies: @utu, @David In TN, @Alec Leamas

    This is not prima facie proof of any racial or gender double standard of what happens when police kill whites. However, the initial signals are strong of differences.

    What a bunch of BS. In 2016 out of 1093 killed by police 574 were white and 266 were black. Somehow we haven’t heard much about white victims. This is because Whites do not care about people being killed police and they hear only about Black victims which deep down they may feel it was justified. Blacks, on the other hand muster some ethnic solidarity which, however is used to legitimize police brutality. For this reason BLM was invented and paid for by who know who. But certainly it was not spontaneous grass root initiative. In the long run police brutality per se is never addressed and solved because it is always framed in racial issue. Even now by Sailer who obsesses about the race of the cop and not upon the deed and its real causes. This is the perfect example why TPTB love the multicultural society and its useful idiots, when they can dive and rule by creation ethnic tensions and strife. Slavery is the gift that keeps on giving to them and in Europe they had started importing migrants from disparate cultures and ethnicities after they discovered how well this works in the US of A for the elite.

    • Replies: @Rod1963
    @utu

    Quite true.

    Though race and religion are important in this instance. But he shouldn't have been hired anyway. Somalis are notoriously stupid.

    That said, the rules are totally different for cops shooting innocents. In most cases there is no repercussions at all.

    A few years back there was a Black rogue cop by the name of Dorner, by all accounts a decent guy until the LAPD fired him for ratting out another cop and then destroyed his career in the Navy Reserve. To make a long story short he plugged a few cops and the cops went nuts.

    In one instance the cops rammed their car into a truck a old white guy was driving whom they thought was Dorner who is black, 6'4" and 250lbs. Nothing happened to the cops.

    In another case two small Mexican paper delivery gals driving a pickup were shot to shit because the elite LAPD team mistook both women for Dorner. Their truck was riddled with bullets and both ended up in the hospital.

    The police wouldn't even apologize or replace their truck. They had to sue the city.

    And the cops were such bad shots at least a couple dozen rounds ended up other peoples homes.

    The cops did a lot bad stuff including deliberately burning the house down he was in.

    And the cops? Nothing happened to them. If was done by civilians, they would be in prison for decades. That's the protection the magic blue uniform affords and being backed by cities with unlimited funds to pay people off.

    Replies: @Escher, @utu, @utu

    , @syonredux
    @utu


    In the long run police brutality per se is never addressed and solved because it is always framed in racial issue. Even now by Sailer who obsesses about the race of the cop and not upon the deed and its real causes.
     
    "Real causes?" Look up disparate impact, dear fellow. We can't have competent, well-trained cops in the USA because that would mean that very few Blacks would get hired.

    Replies: @utu

    , @Anon
    @utu

    Indeed. I used to follow sites like Copblock pretty closely. When Eric Garner was choked to death it seemed like police reform was right around the corner. But then BLM sprang up overnight and I knew it was over. Police brutality is a problem for everyone, and they made it into a patented black people problem. Whites (rightly) don't care much about black people problems.

    Replies: @utu

  26. @res
    @Clark Westwood

    Yes. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4703892/Police-officer-shot-Justine-Damond-identified.html

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @MikeJa

    res,

    As usual, the Daily Mail goes where none of the other MSM dare go!

    BTW, it always puzzled me how come the DM is so conversant with the US. The explanation: they a New York City bureau.

  27. Some publications may decide to withold information that they think might be inflammatory, or cause some kind of retaliation against the person concerned, or their children. For example, in Minneapolis kids in schools might taunt Somali kids and start fights.

    In another example, victims of rape or sexual abuse are often not named in media reports if there is no general benefit in having their name out there.

    Whether this kind of “well-meaning” self censorship is a good idea or not is a moot point.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Jonathan Mason

    It's the Somalian kids who start fights

    , @bomag
    @Jonathan Mason


    Some publications may decide to withold information that they think might be inflammatory
     
    Most of this falls under "you can't handle the truth."

    Replies: @NOTA

  28. Daily mail.co.uk. Has the best article. It seems that in just 2 years on the force he has 2 civil rights complaints including a woman who charged assault and battery and unlawful detention.

    Unusual that he had his gun out of the holster while sitting in the car. Aussi state department made a statement.
    Those Lutheran White hating liberals in local government just adored their pet monkey.. Woman Mayor Hodges celebrated him of her face book page. There is a Somalian police officer association that is pushing for more promotions and hiring of 65 IQ Somalians.

  29. There’s something or many things missing from what we are being told. I’m at a loss to construct a plausible situation that accounts for the few facts we know.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    @Busby

    Even odds on Mohammed being stoned out of his mind on khat or the fulfillment of some sort of Religion of Peace taqqiyah op.

    , @Boethiuss
    @Busby



    There’s something or many things missing from what we are being told. I’m at a loss to construct a plausible situation that accounts for the few facts we know.
     
    Yeah, this. Supposedly she was talking though the driver's side window of the squad car (in pajamas no less), and the cop shot her from the passenger side. I gotta admit, that doesn't make any sense at all, for any conclusion.

    Replies: @anonguy

    , @Anon
    @Busby

    It's possible that the one thing the Minneapolis police didn't teach Noor was that they weren't a third world department where the cops could get away with whatever they wanted.

    , @Eagle Eye
    @Busby


    I’m at a loss to construct a plausible situation that accounts for the few facts we know.
     
    We are hearing NOTHING about the underlying crime that Justine "Damond" had reported.

    Attempted (?) rape by a fellow Somali might make sense of the bizarre events, especially since Noor must have known he was on the way out as a cop. Murdering rape victims and female witnesses is a time-honored Islamic practice that serves to preserve "honor" and enhance social cohesion.
  30. @Peripatetic commenter
    His attorney has already wheeled out the sob stories:


    Noor’s attorney released a statement to the news media. It said that Noor came to the United States “at a young age” and that police work is a calling to him:


    Officer Noor extends his condolences to the family and anyone else who has been touched by this event. He takes their loss seriously and keeps them in his daily thoughts and prayers. He came to the United States at a young age and is thankful to have had so many opportunities. He takes these events very seriously because, for him, being a police officer is a calling. He joined the police force to serve the community and to protect the people he serves. Officer Noor is a caring person with a family he loves and he empathizes with the loss others are experiencing.

    The current environment for police is difficult, but Officer Noor accepts this as part of his calling. We would like to say more, and will in the future. At this time, however, there are several investigations ongoing and Officer Noor wants to respect the privacy to the family and asks the same in return during this difficult period.

     


     
    http://heavy.com/news/2017/07/mohamed-noor-justine-damond-ruszczyk-minneapolis-police-officer-somali-mohammed/

    Replies: @Barnard, @Alfa158, @Clyde, @Mr. Anon

    What horse shit/ This Muslim Noor killed a White woman for no good reason. Who was a repository for good genetic material, unlike Noor.

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
    @Clyde


    a repository for good genetic material
     
    Dude, she was 40.

    Replies: @dr kill, @Clyde

  31. My Aussie friends rolled their eyes at this story. Australian white women can be quite mouthy with men and, since white Aussie men tolerate it, they think all men will put up with their lip. Apparently, this “Somali-American” [sic, sic, SICK!] did not.

    • Replies: @King Baeksu
    @White Guy In Japan

    Yep, that's what I was thinking myself. Noor's English may have also been subpar, resulting in offense where none was meant, or exaggerated beyond all recognition.

    Replies: @Expletive Deleted

  32. @Busby
    There's something or many things missing from what we are being told. I'm at a loss to construct a plausible situation that accounts for the few facts we know.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson, @Boethiuss, @Anon, @Eagle Eye

    Even odds on Mohammed being stoned out of his mind on khat or the fulfillment of some sort of Religion of Peace taqqiyah op.

  33. What ever you do, don’t call the police. They will kill you.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Anon


    What ever you do, don’t call the police. They will kill you.
     
    At least think twice about it. I would stay as much as I could away from the cops, even if I did want them to show up to investigate, until they calmed down. However, she went up to the car to talk (what other option had she?) per:

    The Star Tribune, citing three people with knowledge of the shooting it did not name, said the officers pulled into the alley in a squad car, and Damond talked to the driver.
     
    How could this woman be a serious threat to one of these cops, even if they somehow idiotically thought she was the criminal being reported? If either of them couldn't handle her alone, physically or mentally, he shouldn't be a cop. It does make me wonder if she mouthed off, but she was probably freaked out by whatever (or whoever) she called up about. It's no excuse to arrest her, much less execute her. Affirmative Action in action, folks.

    Anyway, as a commenter wrote above about lots of shootings of white people too, it's best to keep your distance, unless there is no choice at all. That brings up something else about the young lady.

    It is nothing against her lifestyle as a yoga instructor/new age type (they can be a pretty fun), but something tells me she was no conservative realist - I'd bet a few grand on that. That does not make her death less terrible for me to hear about. I put this in because I can hope that some of her nice white lady friends may at least be able to learn something from this. That's what you hear all the time "as long as it stops one more ... blah blah..." In this case, if this could stop a dozen, or a hundred, or a thousand nice white ladies in Minnesota from inviting more moron-Somalians to America who do absolutely no good for anyone else but those nice ladies' self-esteem, we would get some benefit from the tragic death. (No sarcasm at all here.)

    Do you see what your great compassion has done, nice white ladies of the Minneapolis metro area? You have gotten this lady killed. Next time, how about just shut up and listen to your husbands.

    Replies: @Alden

  34. @Barnard
    @Peripatetic commenter

    It would seem that the best case scenario/explanation for Noor is that he accidentally discharged his weapon, which would be total incompetence. Regardless, I think there is a good chance of a conviction in this case unless they refuse to charge him because we can't let our diversity become a victim of this tragedy.

    Replies: @Alden, @Jus' Sayin'...

    According to several stories he reached across the driver and shot her several times. So it wasn’t an accident. I don’t know about Minneapolis, but lots of departments, particular in liberal criminal loving cities, have all sorts of rules about taking the gun out of the holster. Most require a report written if the gun is taken out if the holster.

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
    @Alden


    According to several stories he reached across the driver and shot her several times.
     
    This is odd. How many non-cop witnesses were there hanging around close enough to see anything at all? Presumably the cops involved been told to STFU by employers and lawyers.
    Sounds like manufactured spin, probably from the PD. The UK gov. does it all the time, punts out some absolutely hair-raising statement from "sources", so that when the nonetheless horrible truth comes out months and years later, it somehow seems more acceptable.
    It's not like the PD don't have vast experience in handling these mysteriously unforeseen incidents.
  35. @CCZ
    From HuffPo, the charge that blacks can expect a "double standard" in the treatment, investigation, and possible prosecution of this case.

    The slaying of Justine Damond, a white woman from Australia, by a Minneapolis police officer, defies the by now-routine ritual of a police shooting of a civilian. The ritual goes like this. A white, or non-black, cop guns down a young, generally unarmed, African-American male. There is the inevitable rage and protests. Police officials hold a press conference and solemnly promise to investigate. The officer involved is put on “administrative leave.”

    Weeks later, the investigation wraps up, with no charges filed. Now there’s Damond. She seemingly shatters the ritual. She’s a she. She’s white. And she’s from the very white Australia to boot. The gender issue is an issue here though only because she’s white. It has meant next to nothing when the victim is a black woman. In the past three years more than a dozen black women have been gunned down by police.

    Now the intriguing question is, what will be different this time? The answer: a lot. Minneapolis Mayor Betsy Hodges instantly said she was “heartsick and deeply disturbed.” The reporting about the shooting is the gentlest of kid gloves. There was not the slightest hint she had drug, crime involvement, and no mention of any criminal record. There were warm, glowing vigils held for her. The state’s Bureau of Criminal Apprehension quickly announced that it would press to determine if there was any video footage of the slaying.

    This is not prima facie proof of any racial or gender double standard of what happens when police kill whites. However, the initial signals are strong of differences.

    Earl Ofari Hutchinson is an author and political analyst. His forthcoming book, The Trump Challenge to Black America (Middle Passage Press) will be released in August. He is a weekly co-host of the Al Sharpton Show on Radio One.

     

    Replies: @utu, @David In TN, @Alec Leamas

    Hutchinson is whining that the victim is treated sympathetically due to being a white woman “from very white Australia,” which Hutchinson apparently views as a bad place.

    I don’t think Hutchinson mentioned the cop was black and an “immigrant” from Somalia.

    • Replies: @Escher
    @David In TN


    I don’t think Hutchinson mentioned the cop was black and an “immigrant” from Somalia.

     

    "Ofari" should give you a clue.

    Replies: @Alden

  36. @Jonathan Mason
    Some publications may decide to withold information that they think might be inflammatory, or cause some kind of retaliation against the person concerned, or their children. For example, in Minneapolis kids in schools might taunt Somali kids and start fights.

    In another example, victims of rape or sexual abuse are often not named in media reports if there is no general benefit in having their name out there.

    Whether this kind of "well-meaning" self censorship is a good idea or not is a moot point.

    Replies: @Alden, @bomag

    It’s the Somalian kids who start fights

  37. Alex Jones performed a folksy little tune about this sort of thing. “The police chief is gonna say ‘we love our Somalis, we love our Muslims. Oh they’re so good. Oh they’re so sweet”.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    @Cagey Beast

    https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/888512524353589249

  38. Mohammed coefficient at 100% = murder not accident.

    This was a cold blooded execution only a low IQ Muzzie would do. Consider this, it takes a lot of effort of pull a pistol out of one of those police holster rigs while sitting in a cop car. Your space is limited. His partner would have noticed right away and told him to knock it off – (he was a rookie by most standards). For some reason he didn’t say sq

    Then aim and fire through the door multiple times to murder the woman. It’s clear he didn’t care if he killed his partner.

    • Replies: @King Baeksu
    @Rod1963

    Imagine being a straight-white individual in Muslim-majority Britain or France in 2075. I dare say most will consider it wisest just to convert, having given up any hope of "equal justice under the law."

    Many states in the US face a similar future at current demographic rates.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas

    , @Alden
    @Rod1963

    Autopsy report says fatal shot in the abdomen. That means through the door, not the window.

    Replies: @dr kill, @Alden

  39. @Mikey Darmody
    The last time I ran into German Lopez was in a mining camp saloon on the outskirts of Potosi. He was glaring at a poker hand that was wearing a sombrero of cigar smoke, and when he turned to look up at me, I froze. His eyes, almond shaped and catlike, were the same color as the golden incisor that speared into his cheroot. I felt my throat and noticed for the first time how divisible its various skin tissues seemed. I prayed to God for a mug of the milk of human kindness and would have settled for a shot-glass of the half-and-half of human indifference. But in the face of that terrible gaze, as wild as the jungles of the Yucatan and as fatal as the whirring death-machines of Herr Meister Krupp, I knew that this Kraut-Spic behemoth, this Hun with the Wet Back, would dance a polka on my spine just as easily as he would blitzkrieg a piñata while collecting a welfare check from Poland.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Joe Sweet, @Paul Jolliffe, @Ragno

    Gato? Is that you?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Joe Sweet


    Gato? Is that you?
     
    More like "J. Peterman, I presume?"
  40. @King Baeksu
    From World Net Daily:

    Noor joined the department in March 2015 and is assigned to the 5th Precinct in southwest Minneapolis. Before that, he worked in property management.

    The Minneapolis Office of Police Conduct Review contains records that show Noor has had three complaints filed against him, two of which remain open, the Star-Tribune reports. Another was closed without discipline.

    Minneapolis has the nation’s largest concentration of Somali refugees, with the community estimated at approximately 50,000 strong in the city. The city’s Democrat mayor and council have made every effort to hire Somalis as part of the city’s diversity program.
     

    In other words, native-born Americans are being shunted aside and passed over for jobs in favor of non-natives, whose salaries are in turn often paid by the natives. What a racket!

    Deplorables are the new kulaks. Third-world immigrants are the new proletariat. If a few kulaks need to be removed or taken out to advance the revolution, then so be it.

    Onwards, comrades! Our work has only just begun!

    Replies: @Cato, @NOTA, @CrunchyButRealistCon, @Ragno

    After the respectable media sources have spent all their credibility protecting their readers from narrative-disturbing facts, how are they going to regain it?

    • Replies: @King Baeksu
    @NOTA

    Can you regain something you've never really had?

  41. @johnny789
    What the Minneapolis Police were doing in her pajamas I'll never know.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Autochthon, you have a long-lost twin brother here. It’s a miracle!

    ;-}

    OK, now I AM getting confused – headline of the Steve post 2 back (have not read) is:

    Unarmed Immigrant Woman Shot by Minneapolis Police

    Were they both immigrants, or only the cop? How about the Vox writer – is he and immigrant? It’s getting out of hand.

    • Replies: @Johnny789
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Your "Breezy" writing style is most welcome around these parts. Thanks, Hoss!

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  42. I have friends and family in Minneapolis and they absolutely refuse to acknowledge how deleterious the Somali community is there. To them, they’re just happy to have more ethnic food options!

  43. @utu
    @CCZ

    This is not prima facie proof of any racial or gender double standard of what happens when police kill whites. However, the initial signals are strong of differences.

    What a bunch of BS. In 2016 out of 1093 killed by police 574 were white and 266 were black. Somehow we haven't heard much about white victims. This is because Whites do not care about people being killed police and they hear only about Black victims which deep down they may feel it was justified. Blacks, on the other hand muster some ethnic solidarity which, however is used to legitimize police brutality. For this reason BLM was invented and paid for by who know who. But certainly it was not spontaneous grass root initiative. In the long run police brutality per se is never addressed and solved because it is always framed in racial issue. Even now by Sailer who obsesses about the race of the cop and not upon the deed and its real causes. This is the perfect example why TPTB love the multicultural society and its useful idiots, when they can dive and rule by creation ethnic tensions and strife. Slavery is the gift that keeps on giving to them and in Europe they had started importing migrants from disparate cultures and ethnicities after they discovered how well this works in the US of A for the elite.

    Replies: @Rod1963, @syonredux, @Anon

    Quite true.

    Though race and religion are important in this instance. But he shouldn’t have been hired anyway. Somalis are notoriously stupid.

    That said, the rules are totally different for cops shooting innocents. In most cases there is no repercussions at all.

    A few years back there was a Black rogue cop by the name of Dorner, by all accounts a decent guy until the LAPD fired him for ratting out another cop and then destroyed his career in the Navy Reserve. To make a long story short he plugged a few cops and the cops went nuts.

    In one instance the cops rammed their car into a truck a old white guy was driving whom they thought was Dorner who is black, 6’4″ and 250lbs. Nothing happened to the cops.

    In another case two small Mexican paper delivery gals driving a pickup were shot to shit because the elite LAPD team mistook both women for Dorner. Their truck was riddled with bullets and both ended up in the hospital.

    The police wouldn’t even apologize or replace their truck. They had to sue the city.

    And the cops were such bad shots at least a couple dozen rounds ended up other peoples homes.

    The cops did a lot bad stuff including deliberately burning the house down he was in.

    And the cops? Nothing happened to them. If was done by civilians, they would be in prison for decades. That’s the protection the magic blue uniform affords and being backed by cities with unlimited funds to pay people off.

    • Agree: anarchyst
    • Replies: @Escher
    @Rod1963

    The police is the biggest and most powerful gang in town. If someone hurts or kills a cop, he/she will most likely be never stand trial.

    , @utu
    @Rod1963

    I remember the hunt for Dorner. LAPD was in amok. Bu they can afford it because they were given impunity by American society.

    , @utu
    @Rod1963

    Stats about the impunity of police:

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/23/us/police-involved-shooting-charges/index.html
    Seventy-seven officers have been charged with murder or manslaughter since 2005, according to data collected and analyzed by Stinson's research group:
    • 26 were convicted;
    • 28 were not convicted;
    • 23 still have criminal cases pending

    This is about 7/year charged and about 3.5/year convicted per 1000 of killed by police per year. Impunity 99.65%

    Replies: @anon

  44. @Joe Sweet
    @Mikey Darmody

    Gato? Is that you?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Gato? Is that you?

    More like “J. Peterman, I presume?”

  45. @Barnard
    @Peripatetic commenter

    It would seem that the best case scenario/explanation for Noor is that he accidentally discharged his weapon, which would be total incompetence. Regardless, I think there is a good chance of a conviction in this case unless they refuse to charge him because we can't let our diversity become a victim of this tragedy.

    Replies: @Alden, @Jus' Sayin'...

    I’m reposting this here, not out of egomania, but because word needs to get out that this cop either deliberately shot this woman or was handling his weapon in a way that made him a deadly menace to anyone in the vicinity:

    Here http://www.ci.minneapolis.mn.us/police/policy/mpdpolicy_3-200_3-200 it says that allowed duty hand guns in the Minneapolis PD are the following: Sig Sauer P320; Glock Gen 4 17, 19 and 21; Smith & Wesson M&P pistol; Sig Sauer P226 and P227, and Berretta 92 Series.

    I am familiar with the operating characteristics of all these pistols and have used several. All but the last named Sig Sauer Series and the Beretta 92 are striker action pistols. They require at least 4.5 lbs of finger pressure to discharge every time.

    The Sig Sauer p226/P227 and Beretta 92 are double action/single action semi-autos with decocking levers. If these pistols are properly used it is basically impossible for them to discharge accidentally. If the safety/decocking lever is not on safety, a round is in the chamber, and the hammer is down it again takes about 4.5 pounds of finger pressure to discharge the first round.

    The bottom line is that if this Somali idiot/thug was carrying a proper weapon in an approved manner the only way he could have fired his weapon was deliberately and with intent. He’s guilty of manslaughter or murder either way. The lesser charge should include at least depraved indifference.

    Why are we letting these thuggish morons into our country when it is obvious they are utterly unsuited to be citizens.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    I saw a reference to the shooter cop's paperwork from last December relating to his divorce. Maybe he was mad at the female sex?

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    , @Anon
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    4.5#s sounds pretty light for a double action with the hammer down. Google tells me that a Berreta's trigger pull with the hammer down is 13#.

    Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...

    , @bomag
    @Jus' Sayin'...


    Why are we letting these thuggish morons into our country when it is obvious they are utterly unsuited to be citizens?
     
    They provide a frisson of excitement for the ruling class. It is akin to keeping a lion as a pet. If a few servants get eaten on occasion, that's unfortunate, but part of the deal.
  46. Does anyone have public data on the racial breakdown of police who shoot people, relative to the racial breakdown of police overall in the US?

  47. @res
    @Clark Westwood

    Yes. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4703892/Police-officer-shot-Justine-Damond-identified.html

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @MikeJa

  48. @Ben Kurtz
    It may be about time to generalize the Adverse Inference:

    If a party line source seems to be hiding something when it comes to identifying a violent perp, THAT FACT ALONE is sufficient evidence to infer that the violent perp belongs to a Sacred Victim Class.

    https://benkurtzblog.wordpress.com/2017/07/13/barts-adverse-inference/

    Replies: @GW

    +1.

  49. The Left doesn’t seem to get it. Trump was the harmless response to their provocations.

    • Agree: Jack Hanson
  50. There was not the slightest hint she had drug, crime involvement, and no mention of any criminal record.

    There is no reason to suspect, based solely on this column, that Earl Ofari Hutchinson enjoys sodomizing farm animals.

  51. @Trelane
    I suggest you submit this to the Bulwer-Lytton Fiction Contest.

    Replies: @Trelane

    Meant for #9 above not OP.

    Hey Ron Unz, how about a method to ex post facto edit or correct bad posts?

  52. @anonymous
    @Mikey Darmody

    Don't quit your day job.

    Replies: @Mikey Darmody

    Joke’s on you, I’m unemployed! 🙂
    Jk, jk. For real tho, Anon, you better have some respect or I’mma sic CNN’s KFile on you.

    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
    @Mikey Darmody

    Rocco Gibraltar is cracking the knuckles on his left bunch of bananas and waiting for the OK to teach this mook some manners.

  53. @Jus' Sayin'...
    @Barnard

    I'm reposting this here, not out of egomania, but because word needs to get out that this cop either deliberately shot this woman or was handling his weapon in a way that made him a deadly menace to anyone in the vicinity:

    Here http://www.ci.minneapolis.mn.us/police/policy/mpdpolicy_3-200_3-200 it says that allowed duty hand guns in the Minneapolis PD are the following: Sig Sauer P320; Glock Gen 4 17, 19 and 21; Smith & Wesson M&P pistol; Sig Sauer P226 and P227, and Berretta 92 Series.

    I am familiar with the operating characteristics of all these pistols and have used several. All but the last named Sig Sauer Series and the Beretta 92 are striker action pistols. They require at least 4.5 lbs of finger pressure to discharge every time.

    The Sig Sauer p226/P227 and Beretta 92 are double action/single action semi-autos with decocking levers. If these pistols are properly used it is basically impossible for them to discharge accidentally. If the safety/decocking lever is not on safety, a round is in the chamber, and the hammer is down it again takes about 4.5 pounds of finger pressure to discharge the first round.

    The bottom line is that if this Somali idiot/thug was carrying a proper weapon in an approved manner the only way he could have fired his weapon was deliberately and with intent. He’s guilty of manslaughter or murder either way. The lesser charge should include at least depraved indifference.

    Why are we letting these thuggish morons into our country when it is obvious they are utterly unsuited to be citizens.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anon, @bomag

    I saw a reference to the shooter cop’s paperwork from last December relating to his divorce. Maybe he was mad at the female sex?

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Steve Sailer

    That photo in Stormer shows he wore latex gloves to shake hands with his (black) police chief.

    https://www.dailystormer.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/noor5.jpg

    If he has to wear gloves to shake an infidel's hand, maybe a pretty white woman in her pyjamas i.e. very inappropriately dressed, no head covering etc was just too much for him.

  54. @utu
    @CCZ

    This is not prima facie proof of any racial or gender double standard of what happens when police kill whites. However, the initial signals are strong of differences.

    What a bunch of BS. In 2016 out of 1093 killed by police 574 were white and 266 were black. Somehow we haven't heard much about white victims. This is because Whites do not care about people being killed police and they hear only about Black victims which deep down they may feel it was justified. Blacks, on the other hand muster some ethnic solidarity which, however is used to legitimize police brutality. For this reason BLM was invented and paid for by who know who. But certainly it was not spontaneous grass root initiative. In the long run police brutality per se is never addressed and solved because it is always framed in racial issue. Even now by Sailer who obsesses about the race of the cop and not upon the deed and its real causes. This is the perfect example why TPTB love the multicultural society and its useful idiots, when they can dive and rule by creation ethnic tensions and strife. Slavery is the gift that keeps on giving to them and in Europe they had started importing migrants from disparate cultures and ethnicities after they discovered how well this works in the US of A for the elite.

    Replies: @Rod1963, @syonredux, @Anon

    In the long run police brutality per se is never addressed and solved because it is always framed in racial issue. Even now by Sailer who obsesses about the race of the cop and not upon the deed and its real causes.

    “Real causes?” Look up disparate impact, dear fellow. We can’t have competent, well-trained cops in the USA because that would mean that very few Blacks would get hired.

    • Replies: @utu
    @syonredux

    We can’t have competent, well-trained cops in the USA because that would mean that very few Blacks would get hired.

    You never had competent and well trained cops in the USA. Whys should they be well trained if they always could kill with impunity. Lowering the standards because of EO employment requirements did not help but it is not the chief cause. The subculture among American law enforcement that existed long before the first black cop was ever hired is the chief cause. You have to address it first. By turning it to a racial issue and or immigration issue you place yourself together alongside the useful idiots of BLM. I doubt that you really care about police brutality. Does it matter to you that 574 Whites and 266 Blacks were killed by police in 2016? I doubt it.

    Replies: @NOTA

  55. @White Guy In Japan
    My Aussie friends rolled their eyes at this story. Australian white women can be quite mouthy with men and, since white Aussie men tolerate it, they think all men will put up with their lip. Apparently, this "Somali-American" [sic, sic, SICK!] did not.

    Replies: @King Baeksu

    Yep, that’s what I was thinking myself. Noor’s English may have also been subpar, resulting in offense where none was meant, or exaggerated beyond all recognition.

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
    @King Baeksu

    He was 31, and arrived in the US "at a young age", according to his brief. His previous jobs were hotel manager and property management, and he had a degree in business admin. Which either says quite a lot about the state of American education, or is grasping at straws to excuse him.

    tl;dr he'd just been divorced, and he always liked roughing women up on the job anyway, three complaints on file and once sued by the arrestee.

    So sad for the Nice White Ladies of Minnesota. One of their pets turned round and bit them.

  56. It is a simple fact that whites and blacks cannot coexist, so why in the hell do we keep letting them into Western lands?

    • Replies: @Buck Turgidson
    @Calogero

    The General Caseys (Ft Hood muzzie massacre) of the world will be out en force on this, if not already, helpfully explaining that in fact we CAN and DO coexist--and we are lovin it!

    As Gen'l Casey explained, it would be a heckuva shame if this single isolated unprecedented never-seen-before/never-will-happen-again incident of a muzzie killing a white person would be incorrectly viewed as part of a larger pattern, and endanger our precious diversity -- which we all know is totally awesome and that everyone loves!

    Also, Marge Gunderson in Edina MN will need some comforting to ensure that no racist thoughts enter her mind, or that she might begin to notice patterns -- or, heaven forbid, stop the flow of the checks to the hallowed benevolent saints at Lutheran Relocation services! Doing the Lord's work, those folks, living on bread and water rations, saving souls.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  57. @Rod1963
    Mohammed coefficient at 100% = murder not accident.

    This was a cold blooded execution only a low IQ Muzzie would do. Consider this, it takes a lot of effort of pull a pistol out of one of those police holster rigs while sitting in a cop car. Your space is limited. His partner would have noticed right away and told him to knock it off - (he was a rookie by most standards). For some reason he didn't say sq

    Then aim and fire through the door multiple times to murder the woman. It's clear he didn't care if he killed his partner.

    Replies: @King Baeksu, @Alden

    Imagine being a straight-white individual in Muslim-majority Britain or France in 2075. I dare say most will consider it wisest just to convert, having given up any hope of “equal justice under the law.”

    Many states in the US face a similar future at current demographic rates.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas
    @King Baeksu


    Imagine being a straight-white individual in Muslim-majority Britain or France in 2075. I dare say most will consider it wisest just to convert, having given up any hope of “equal justice under the law.”

    Many states in the US face a similar future at current demographic rates.
     
    Perhaps, but how does one "convert" to Mexican?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Alden

  58. @Rod1963
    @utu

    Quite true.

    Though race and religion are important in this instance. But he shouldn't have been hired anyway. Somalis are notoriously stupid.

    That said, the rules are totally different for cops shooting innocents. In most cases there is no repercussions at all.

    A few years back there was a Black rogue cop by the name of Dorner, by all accounts a decent guy until the LAPD fired him for ratting out another cop and then destroyed his career in the Navy Reserve. To make a long story short he plugged a few cops and the cops went nuts.

    In one instance the cops rammed their car into a truck a old white guy was driving whom they thought was Dorner who is black, 6'4" and 250lbs. Nothing happened to the cops.

    In another case two small Mexican paper delivery gals driving a pickup were shot to shit because the elite LAPD team mistook both women for Dorner. Their truck was riddled with bullets and both ended up in the hospital.

    The police wouldn't even apologize or replace their truck. They had to sue the city.

    And the cops were such bad shots at least a couple dozen rounds ended up other peoples homes.

    The cops did a lot bad stuff including deliberately burning the house down he was in.

    And the cops? Nothing happened to them. If was done by civilians, they would be in prison for decades. That's the protection the magic blue uniform affords and being backed by cities with unlimited funds to pay people off.

    Replies: @Escher, @utu, @utu

    The police is the biggest and most powerful gang in town. If someone hurts or kills a cop, he/she will most likely be never stand trial.

  59. @David In TN
    @CCZ

    Hutchinson is whining that the victim is treated sympathetically due to being a white woman "from very white Australia," which Hutchinson apparently views as a bad place.

    I don't think Hutchinson mentioned the cop was black and an "immigrant" from Somalia.

    Replies: @Escher

    I don’t think Hutchinson mentioned the cop was black and an “immigrant” from Somalia.

    “Ofari” should give you a clue.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Escher

    His mama misspelled offal on the birth certificate.

  60. @NOTA
    @King Baeksu

    After the respectable media sources have spent all their credibility protecting their readers from narrative-disturbing facts, how are they going to regain it?

    Replies: @King Baeksu

    Can you regain something you’ve never really had?

  61. @Anon
    What ever you do, don't call the police. They will kill you.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    What ever you do, don’t call the police. They will kill you.

    At least think twice about it. I would stay as much as I could away from the cops, even if I did want them to show up to investigate, until they calmed down. However, she went up to the car to talk (what other option had she?) per:

    The Star Tribune, citing three people with knowledge of the shooting it did not name, said the officers pulled into the alley in a squad car, and Damond talked to the driver.

    How could this woman be a serious threat to one of these cops, even if they somehow idiotically thought she was the criminal being reported? If either of them couldn’t handle her alone, physically or mentally, he shouldn’t be a cop. It does make me wonder if she mouthed off, but she was probably freaked out by whatever (or whoever) she called up about. It’s no excuse to arrest her, much less execute her. Affirmative Action in action, folks.

    Anyway, as a commenter wrote above about lots of shootings of white people too, it’s best to keep your distance, unless there is no choice at all. That brings up something else about the young lady.

    It is nothing against her lifestyle as a yoga instructor/new age type (they can be a pretty fun), but something tells me she was no conservative realist – I’d bet a few grand on that. That does not make her death less terrible for me to hear about. I put this in because I can hope that some of her nice white lady friends may at least be able to learn something from this. That’s what you hear all the time “as long as it stops one more … blah blah…” In this case, if this could stop a dozen, or a hundred, or a thousand nice white ladies in Minnesota from inviting more moron-Somalians to America who do absolutely no good for anyone else but those nice ladies’ self-esteem, we would get some benefit from the tragic death. (No sarcasm at all here.)

    Do you see what your great compassion has done, nice white ladies of the Minneapolis metro area? You have gotten this lady killed. Next time, how about just shut up and listen to your husbands.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Achmed E. Newman

    She was very anti gun. She talked about how great Australia is with strict gun control.

    Replies: @anon, @Achmed E. Newman

  62. What a horrible tragedy. Brought to us courtesy of nice white liberal people of MN, along with churches in the upper midwest who work with their criminal brethren in the refugee resettlement ripoff industry. Diversity strikes again.

  63. @Busby
    There's something or many things missing from what we are being told. I'm at a loss to construct a plausible situation that accounts for the few facts we know.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson, @Boethiuss, @Anon, @Eagle Eye

    There’s something or many things missing from what we are being told. I’m at a loss to construct a plausible situation that accounts for the few facts we know.

    Yeah, this. Supposedly she was talking though the driver’s side window of the squad car (in pajamas no less), and the cop shot her from the passenger side. I gotta admit, that doesn’t make any sense at all, for any conclusion.

    • Replies: @anonguy
    @Boethiuss


    Yeah, this. Supposedly she was talking though the driver’s side window of the squad car (in pajamas no less), and the cop shot her from the passenger side. I gotta admit, that doesn’t make any sense at all, for any conclusion.
     
    Well, presuming he wanted to kill her for reasons yet undetermined, it actually makes a lot of sense, it was the situation he was in. I mean, it worked, she's dead.

    My guess is the Australian woman said something lippy to him and he lost his temper. Maybe even something constructively "racist", which will make this story even more interesting.

    The longer it takes for the facts to come out, the worse the story is going to be. This one is going to be awful, bank on it, the MPD isn't even giving the usual police bs about "officer feeling threatened" and so forth, they are scrambling now to figure out how to throw this guy under the bus.

    Given that Noor already has some serious incidents in his short time on the force, there is an awareness in the force that they've been giving this guy a pass for ideological reasons and somebody is going to swing for negligence, not suspending him for his previous incident(s), or at least retraining, remediation, etc.

  64. @Peripatetic commenter
    His attorney has already wheeled out the sob stories:


    Noor’s attorney released a statement to the news media. It said that Noor came to the United States “at a young age” and that police work is a calling to him:


    Officer Noor extends his condolences to the family and anyone else who has been touched by this event. He takes their loss seriously and keeps them in his daily thoughts and prayers. He came to the United States at a young age and is thankful to have had so many opportunities. He takes these events very seriously because, for him, being a police officer is a calling. He joined the police force to serve the community and to protect the people he serves. Officer Noor is a caring person with a family he loves and he empathizes with the loss others are experiencing.

    The current environment for police is difficult, but Officer Noor accepts this as part of his calling. We would like to say more, and will in the future. At this time, however, there are several investigations ongoing and Officer Noor wants to respect the privacy to the family and asks the same in return during this difficult period.

     


     
    http://heavy.com/news/2017/07/mohamed-noor-justine-damond-ruszczyk-minneapolis-police-officer-somali-mohammed/

    Replies: @Barnard, @Alfa158, @Clyde, @Mr. Anon

    His attorney has already wheeled out the sob stories:

    He joined the police force – he was turning his life around.

  65. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Can’t believe a “her phone looked like a gun” story wasn’t immediately floated to the press.

    Did she call from a landline? I figured she was outside in the dark with the cell phone in her hand and that was going be the cop’s excuse.

    But the statement by the lawyer points to a cop with no excuses! Probably the other cop in the driver seat is apoplectic and not going to cover for his lunatic partner. So no BS cover story is possible here.

    • Replies: @Boethiuss
    @Anonymous


    But the statement by the lawyer points to a cop with no excuses! Probably the other cop in the driver seat is apoplectic and not going to cover for his lunatic partner. So no BS cover story is possible here.
     
    Unless today was his first day driving with the Officer Noor, he's gotta take some of the blame himself. Either he missed multiple opportunities to set the record straight for Officer Noor, or he failed to warn his superiors about the situation, or both.
    , @anonguy
    @Anonymous


    Can’t believe a “her phone looked like a gun” story wasn’t immediately floated to the press.
     
    That's because MPD has already figured that the facts of the matter are too egregious to cover for the guy, which is saying a lot given the omerta code of American police departments.

    Replies: @Boethiuss

    , @anon
    @Anonymous

    What's the other cop's name?
    Just a guess, but what chance the cops were doing surveillance for some of their fellow Somali theives, and decided to dispose of the witness?
    How are they supposed to know she's an Aussie?
    P.S. Murdoch's PC and totally cucked The Australian newspaper is calling her Justine Ruszczyk, says she hated ''America's gun culture''.

    Replies: @Expletive Deleted, @Alden

  66. @King Baeksu
    From World Net Daily:

    Noor joined the department in March 2015 and is assigned to the 5th Precinct in southwest Minneapolis. Before that, he worked in property management.

    The Minneapolis Office of Police Conduct Review contains records that show Noor has had three complaints filed against him, two of which remain open, the Star-Tribune reports. Another was closed without discipline.

    Minneapolis has the nation’s largest concentration of Somali refugees, with the community estimated at approximately 50,000 strong in the city. The city’s Democrat mayor and council have made every effort to hire Somalis as part of the city’s diversity program.
     

    In other words, native-born Americans are being shunted aside and passed over for jobs in favor of non-natives, whose salaries are in turn often paid by the natives. What a racket!

    Deplorables are the new kulaks. Third-world immigrants are the new proletariat. If a few kulaks need to be removed or taken out to advance the revolution, then so be it.

    Onwards, comrades! Our work has only just begun!

    Replies: @Cato, @NOTA, @CrunchyButRealistCon, @Ragno

    How does the LibHive operate? Well we know by now:

    If facts on ground don’t conform to their Narrative:
    1) Obfuscate, Side-step, Omit
    2) Stall for time….let interest fade by ignoring the story
    3) Prepare counter-narrative by crafting tale of VizMin’s humble background & innocence as a child
    4) Pre-shame the Outraged by “Backlash” accusation.
    5) Use an govt, judicial or bureaucratic allies to hide/conceal/destroy evidence

    What we’ll discover in the coming days is how much they need to use #s 4 & 5 since #s 1 thru 3 are becoming such weak ploys.

    • Replies: @Negrolphin Pool
    @CrunchyButRealistCon

    Ron Unz's article on TWA 800 detailed hundreds of witnesses, all of whom were interviewed by the authorities and many who were interviewed by journalists, all recounting some variation of a bright object accelerating at high speed towards the plane.

    A couple neighbors going he said/she said with the cops, claiming it was a cold blooded execution rather than a lethal escalation by the menacing pajama lady, should be no problem to memory hole.

  67. Where’s Twinkie been lately? IMHO he usually has good insight/commentary in these kind of issues.

  68. utu says:
    @syonredux
    @utu


    In the long run police brutality per se is never addressed and solved because it is always framed in racial issue. Even now by Sailer who obsesses about the race of the cop and not upon the deed and its real causes.
     
    "Real causes?" Look up disparate impact, dear fellow. We can't have competent, well-trained cops in the USA because that would mean that very few Blacks would get hired.

    Replies: @utu

    We can’t have competent, well-trained cops in the USA because that would mean that very few Blacks would get hired.

    You never had competent and well trained cops in the USA. Whys should they be well trained if they always could kill with impunity. Lowering the standards because of EO employment requirements did not help but it is not the chief cause. The subculture among American law enforcement that existed long before the first black cop was ever hired is the chief cause. You have to address it first. By turning it to a racial issue and or immigration issue you place yourself together alongside the useful idiots of BLM. I doubt that you really care about police brutality. Does it matter to you that 574 Whites and 266 Blacks were killed by police in 2016? I doubt it.

    • Replies: @NOTA
    @utu

    I've begun to think of unnecessary police shootings as having a lot in common with terrorist attacks and plane crashes--they're spectacular and get lots of media attention, but they are not actually a huge risk or problem.

    The question is, how many of those shootings were unnecessary? 690/958 of the people shot by police in 2016 (using the Washington Post's page) were armed with a gun or knife. Let's make a back of the envelope estimate here and assume that that's about the number of police shootings we'd have had with absolutely perfect policemen exactly doing what we want them to do. (Not all armed people should have been shot, but not all unarmed people *shouldn't* have been shot. This looks like a reasonable first cut estimate to me.). So suppose we are talking about maybe 368 police shootings per year that shouldn't have happened.

    That's at least a back of the envelope estimate of how big the problem is. And since we are dealing with humans, no change we could make to policing (better training, better selection of police, body cameras, more independent oversight, different ROE, different weapon mix, etc.) would eliminate all of those. Remember that awful case a few years back where the cop killed some dude because he grabbed his gun but thought he had grabbed his taser? Stuff like that will happen sometimes, in a big country with a lot of crime. My guess is that the best we could do with police reform would be maybe saving a couple hundred lives a year. That's worth doing, but it would be easy to do more harm than good trying to prevent those 200 or so deaths. (See the war on terror.). Also, from everything I can see, the probability of an innocent person being shot by the cops is really low.

  69. @Anonymous
    Can't believe a "her phone looked like a gun" story wasn't immediately floated to the press.

    Did she call from a landline? I figured she was outside in the dark with the cell phone in her hand and that was going be the cop's excuse.

    But the statement by the lawyer points to a cop with no excuses! Probably the other cop in the driver seat is apoplectic and not going to cover for his lunatic partner. So no BS cover story is possible here.

    Replies: @Boethiuss, @anonguy, @anon

    But the statement by the lawyer points to a cop with no excuses! Probably the other cop in the driver seat is apoplectic and not going to cover for his lunatic partner. So no BS cover story is possible here.

    Unless today was his first day driving with the Officer Noor, he’s gotta take some of the blame himself. Either he missed multiple opportunities to set the record straight for Officer Noor, or he failed to warn his superiors about the situation, or both.

  70. @Rod1963
    @utu

    Quite true.

    Though race and religion are important in this instance. But he shouldn't have been hired anyway. Somalis are notoriously stupid.

    That said, the rules are totally different for cops shooting innocents. In most cases there is no repercussions at all.

    A few years back there was a Black rogue cop by the name of Dorner, by all accounts a decent guy until the LAPD fired him for ratting out another cop and then destroyed his career in the Navy Reserve. To make a long story short he plugged a few cops and the cops went nuts.

    In one instance the cops rammed their car into a truck a old white guy was driving whom they thought was Dorner who is black, 6'4" and 250lbs. Nothing happened to the cops.

    In another case two small Mexican paper delivery gals driving a pickup were shot to shit because the elite LAPD team mistook both women for Dorner. Their truck was riddled with bullets and both ended up in the hospital.

    The police wouldn't even apologize or replace their truck. They had to sue the city.

    And the cops were such bad shots at least a couple dozen rounds ended up other peoples homes.

    The cops did a lot bad stuff including deliberately burning the house down he was in.

    And the cops? Nothing happened to them. If was done by civilians, they would be in prison for decades. That's the protection the magic blue uniform affords and being backed by cities with unlimited funds to pay people off.

    Replies: @Escher, @utu, @utu

    I remember the hunt for Dorner. LAPD was in amok. Bu they can afford it because they were given impunity by American society.

  71. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Anon


    What ever you do, don’t call the police. They will kill you.
     
    At least think twice about it. I would stay as much as I could away from the cops, even if I did want them to show up to investigate, until they calmed down. However, she went up to the car to talk (what other option had she?) per:

    The Star Tribune, citing three people with knowledge of the shooting it did not name, said the officers pulled into the alley in a squad car, and Damond talked to the driver.
     
    How could this woman be a serious threat to one of these cops, even if they somehow idiotically thought she was the criminal being reported? If either of them couldn't handle her alone, physically or mentally, he shouldn't be a cop. It does make me wonder if she mouthed off, but she was probably freaked out by whatever (or whoever) she called up about. It's no excuse to arrest her, much less execute her. Affirmative Action in action, folks.

    Anyway, as a commenter wrote above about lots of shootings of white people too, it's best to keep your distance, unless there is no choice at all. That brings up something else about the young lady.

    It is nothing against her lifestyle as a yoga instructor/new age type (they can be a pretty fun), but something tells me she was no conservative realist - I'd bet a few grand on that. That does not make her death less terrible for me to hear about. I put this in because I can hope that some of her nice white lady friends may at least be able to learn something from this. That's what you hear all the time "as long as it stops one more ... blah blah..." In this case, if this could stop a dozen, or a hundred, or a thousand nice white ladies in Minnesota from inviting more moron-Somalians to America who do absolutely no good for anyone else but those nice ladies' self-esteem, we would get some benefit from the tragic death. (No sarcasm at all here.)

    Do you see what your great compassion has done, nice white ladies of the Minneapolis metro area? You have gotten this lady killed. Next time, how about just shut up and listen to your husbands.

    Replies: @Alden

    She was very anti gun. She talked about how great Australia is with strict gun control.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Alden

    I have solved this one.
    Picture in this morning's The Australian has her flashing cleavage.
    Mohammed copped an eyeful, was triggered, and his islamic training kicked in.
    Justifiable homicide under Sharia Law.
    Case closed.

    Replies: @Moses

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Alden

    Thanks for the addendum, Alden. I would have bet on that too, but hadn't looked up very much on the woman killed other than her "spiritual center" (I wanted to see if they specifically advertised raising money for, or for that matter, getting paid for, importation of alien beings to Minnesota.)

    Cops need to have some common sense, though that comes from experience. Not only was Noor a rookie, but being extremely foreign, it could have been that he couldn't tell the lack of a threat from a thin white lady in pajamas vs. a big black man in clothes that look like pajamas. It'd be purely just a human thing to know she was nothing to be scared of, but maybe Noor was under the mistaken impression, knowing only what he saw on TV, that Americans have lots of guns (true) and they all use them the same way (NOT true).

    Even in less than one year of police work, one could get a handle on which types of people to be on high alert about. Or, he was just a moron, per his country of origin.

    Lastly, getting back to what you wrote, Alden, this Australian woman would probably not be dead if she was armed. Why? She would have probably just stayed in her house/apt. with it, even if she did call the cops at all, had she been armed. She was worried about an intruder - being defenseless would have made her come down to talk to the guys in the car to feel safer. (NOTE: DID NOT WORK OUT!) If she had stayed in, and just talked to the dispatcher about who/what she was worried about, she could have felt pretty comfortable with a pistol or shotgun, just in case the door got kicked open (of course with these dumb cops, who knows even on that?)

    Replies: @Alden

  72. utu says:
    @Rod1963
    @utu

    Quite true.

    Though race and religion are important in this instance. But he shouldn't have been hired anyway. Somalis are notoriously stupid.

    That said, the rules are totally different for cops shooting innocents. In most cases there is no repercussions at all.

    A few years back there was a Black rogue cop by the name of Dorner, by all accounts a decent guy until the LAPD fired him for ratting out another cop and then destroyed his career in the Navy Reserve. To make a long story short he plugged a few cops and the cops went nuts.

    In one instance the cops rammed their car into a truck a old white guy was driving whom they thought was Dorner who is black, 6'4" and 250lbs. Nothing happened to the cops.

    In another case two small Mexican paper delivery gals driving a pickup were shot to shit because the elite LAPD team mistook both women for Dorner. Their truck was riddled with bullets and both ended up in the hospital.

    The police wouldn't even apologize or replace their truck. They had to sue the city.

    And the cops were such bad shots at least a couple dozen rounds ended up other peoples homes.

    The cops did a lot bad stuff including deliberately burning the house down he was in.

    And the cops? Nothing happened to them. If was done by civilians, they would be in prison for decades. That's the protection the magic blue uniform affords and being backed by cities with unlimited funds to pay people off.

    Replies: @Escher, @utu, @utu

    Stats about the impunity of police:

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/23/us/police-involved-shooting-charges/index.html
    Seventy-seven officers have been charged with murder or manslaughter since 2005, according to data collected and analyzed by Stinson’s research group:
    • 26 were convicted;
    • 28 were not convicted;
    • 23 still have criminal cases pending

    This is about 7/year charged and about 3.5/year convicted per 1000 of killed by police per year. Impunity 99.65%

    • Replies: @anon
    @utu

    That's 26 more than have ever been convicted of either Murder or Manslaughter while on duty in the history of Australia since 1788.

    Replies: @utu

  73. @Boethiuss
    @Busby



    There’s something or many things missing from what we are being told. I’m at a loss to construct a plausible situation that accounts for the few facts we know.
     
    Yeah, this. Supposedly she was talking though the driver's side window of the squad car (in pajamas no less), and the cop shot her from the passenger side. I gotta admit, that doesn't make any sense at all, for any conclusion.

    Replies: @anonguy

    Yeah, this. Supposedly she was talking though the driver’s side window of the squad car (in pajamas no less), and the cop shot her from the passenger side. I gotta admit, that doesn’t make any sense at all, for any conclusion.

    Well, presuming he wanted to kill her for reasons yet undetermined, it actually makes a lot of sense, it was the situation he was in. I mean, it worked, she’s dead.

    My guess is the Australian woman said something lippy to him and he lost his temper. Maybe even something constructively “racist”, which will make this story even more interesting.

    The longer it takes for the facts to come out, the worse the story is going to be. This one is going to be awful, bank on it, the MPD isn’t even giving the usual police bs about “officer feeling threatened” and so forth, they are scrambling now to figure out how to throw this guy under the bus.

    Given that Noor already has some serious incidents in his short time on the force, there is an awareness in the force that they’ve been giving this guy a pass for ideological reasons and somebody is going to swing for negligence, not suspending him for his previous incident(s), or at least retraining, remediation, etc.

  74. @Anonymous
    Can't believe a "her phone looked like a gun" story wasn't immediately floated to the press.

    Did she call from a landline? I figured she was outside in the dark with the cell phone in her hand and that was going be the cop's excuse.

    But the statement by the lawyer points to a cop with no excuses! Probably the other cop in the driver seat is apoplectic and not going to cover for his lunatic partner. So no BS cover story is possible here.

    Replies: @Boethiuss, @anonguy, @anon

    Can’t believe a “her phone looked like a gun” story wasn’t immediately floated to the press.

    That’s because MPD has already figured that the facts of the matter are too egregious to cover for the guy, which is saying a lot given the omerta code of American police departments.

    • Replies: @Boethiuss
    @anonguy



    That’s because MPD has already figured that the facts of the matter are too egregious to cover for the guy, which is saying a lot given the omerta code of American police departments.
     
    Yeah, the omerta and the jurors who voted not guilty for the Philandro Castile cop aren't doing anybody any favors, least of all the cops (except for the one who escapes jail, of course).

    Btw, I've heard from at least a couple of places that this is exactly sort of case why cops don't like civilian review boards, and it's different than the usual story. A guilty cop who sweetalks his way past a civilian review board is insulated against discipline where the brass and/or rank and file want to come down hard on him, in circumstances where a police review board would never entertain his bullshit.

    Though frankly I don't have enough knowledge to know whether this is actually true or not.
  75. Mohamed Noor — Since he came here when young his attorney will blame this on PTSD from Somalia. So its all good now. We have a reason why he went nuts and unloaded.

  76. @Busby
    There's something or many things missing from what we are being told. I'm at a loss to construct a plausible situation that accounts for the few facts we know.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson, @Boethiuss, @Anon, @Eagle Eye

    It’s possible that the one thing the Minneapolis police didn’t teach Noor was that they weren’t a third world department where the cops could get away with whatever they wanted.

  77. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Don’t discount the possibility that the guy goes under the bus.

    Not to mention his partner. The guy started blasting from a position not more than a foot or two away. Too bad there is no audio of it.

    The cops qua cops don’t have a lot of emotional investment in diversity.

    • Replies: @dr kill
    @anon

    There certainly was video and audio of the incident, the Popo has already disappeared it. See the most recent and egregious local case for us in PBC.

    http://www.wptv.com/news/local-news/investigations/shocking-says-federal-judge-over-lostdestroyed-pbso-evidence-from-seth-adams-shooting

  78. @anonguy
    @Anonymous


    Can’t believe a “her phone looked like a gun” story wasn’t immediately floated to the press.
     
    That's because MPD has already figured that the facts of the matter are too egregious to cover for the guy, which is saying a lot given the omerta code of American police departments.

    Replies: @Boethiuss

    That’s because MPD has already figured that the facts of the matter are too egregious to cover for the guy, which is saying a lot given the omerta code of American police departments.

    Yeah, the omerta and the jurors who voted not guilty for the Philandro Castile cop aren’t doing anybody any favors, least of all the cops (except for the one who escapes jail, of course).

    Btw, I’ve heard from at least a couple of places that this is exactly sort of case why cops don’t like civilian review boards, and it’s different than the usual story. A guilty cop who sweetalks his way past a civilian review board is insulated against discipline where the brass and/or rank and file want to come down hard on him, in circumstances where a police review board would never entertain his bullshit.

    Though frankly I don’t have enough knowledge to know whether this is actually true or not.

  79. From the Vox article:

    But why does the US have a much higher violent crime rate than other countries? One explanation: Americans are much more likely to own guns than their peers around the world. This means that conflicts — not just between police and civilians but between civilians — are more likely to escalate into deadly, violent encounters.

    No mention of the fact that criminality in the U.S. is concentrated among blacks and, to a lesser extent, hispanics. The population of the U.S. that looks like white, Western Europe, has crime rates comparable to white, Western Europe.

    But that’s inconvenient to the narrative Vox is trying to push.

    Also, whenever making these “gun violence” comparisons, they always specifically avoid making the comparison to other nations that have high levels of violence, which seems pretty weird, when you think about it. Because, that, also, runs counter to the narrative. Why isn’t it worthy of consideration that, just to pick two off the top of my head, Brazil and South Africa have very restrictive gun laws and huge homicide rates?

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    @Cloudbuster

    take away the "crime rate" in America's black-run cities, and you will find out that the "violent crime rate" is well below that of most other countries in the world.

  80. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Can't believe a "her phone looked like a gun" story wasn't immediately floated to the press.

    Did she call from a landline? I figured she was outside in the dark with the cell phone in her hand and that was going be the cop's excuse.

    But the statement by the lawyer points to a cop with no excuses! Probably the other cop in the driver seat is apoplectic and not going to cover for his lunatic partner. So no BS cover story is possible here.

    Replies: @Boethiuss, @anonguy, @anon

    What’s the other cop’s name?
    Just a guess, but what chance the cops were doing surveillance for some of their fellow Somali theives, and decided to dispose of the witness?
    How are they supposed to know she’s an Aussie?
    P.S. Murdoch’s PC and totally cucked The Australian newspaper is calling her Justine Ruszczyk, says she hated ”America’s gun culture”.

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
    @anon


    What’s the other cop’s name?
     
    Matthew Harrity, 25, who received his badge just a year ago. Sounds pretty whitebread to me.
    , @Alden
    @anon

    I read that in some US reports, that when she got to the states she was appalled by the gun culture and spoke out about it. Don't know if it's true or not.

  81. @utu
    @Rod1963

    Stats about the impunity of police:

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/23/us/police-involved-shooting-charges/index.html
    Seventy-seven officers have been charged with murder or manslaughter since 2005, according to data collected and analyzed by Stinson's research group:
    • 26 were convicted;
    • 28 were not convicted;
    • 23 still have criminal cases pending

    This is about 7/year charged and about 3.5/year convicted per 1000 of killed by police per year. Impunity 99.65%

    Replies: @anon

    That’s 26 more than have ever been convicted of either Murder or Manslaughter while on duty in the history of Australia since 1788.

    • Replies: @utu
    @anon

    In Australia there were 94 fatal shootings by police in 1992-2011 which is about 5/year compared to America's about 1000/year. At this rates and at American's level of immunity of 99.65% you need to wait another 50 years to get the first police charged in Australia.

  82. @Alden
    @Achmed E. Newman

    She was very anti gun. She talked about how great Australia is with strict gun control.

    Replies: @anon, @Achmed E. Newman

    I have solved this one.
    Picture in this morning’s The Australian has her flashing cleavage.
    Mohammed copped an eyeful, was triggered, and his islamic training kicked in.
    Justifiable homicide under Sharia Law.
    Case closed.

    • Replies: @Moses
    @anon

    Yeah I had the exact same thought.

  83. @Steve Sailer
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    I saw a reference to the shooter cop's paperwork from last December relating to his divorce. Maybe he was mad at the female sex?

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    That photo in Stormer shows he wore latex gloves to shake hands with his (black) police chief.

    If he has to wear gloves to shake an infidel’s hand, maybe a pretty white woman in her pyjamas i.e. very inappropriately dressed, no head covering etc was just too much for him.

  84. @anon
    Don't discount the possibility that the guy goes under the bus.

    Not to mention his partner. The guy started blasting from a position not more than a foot or two away. Too bad there is no audio of it.

    The cops qua cops don't have a lot of emotional investment in diversity.

    Replies: @dr kill

    There certainly was video and audio of the incident, the Popo has already disappeared it. See the most recent and egregious local case for us in PBC.

    http://www.wptv.com/news/local-news/investigations/shocking-says-federal-judge-over-lostdestroyed-pbso-evidence-from-seth-adams-shooting

  85. @CrunchyButRealistCon
    @King Baeksu

    How does the LibHive operate? Well we know by now:

    If facts on ground don't conform to their Narrative:
    1) Obfuscate, Side-step, Omit
    2) Stall for time....let interest fade by ignoring the story
    3) Prepare counter-narrative by crafting tale of VizMin's humble background & innocence as a child
    4) Pre-shame the Outraged by "Backlash" accusation.
    5) Use an govt, judicial or bureaucratic allies to hide/conceal/destroy evidence

    What we'll discover in the coming days is how much they need to use #s 4 & 5 since #s 1 thru 3 are becoming such weak ploys.

    Replies: @Negrolphin Pool

    Ron Unz’s article on TWA 800 detailed hundreds of witnesses, all of whom were interviewed by the authorities and many who were interviewed by journalists, all recounting some variation of a bright object accelerating at high speed towards the plane.

    A couple neighbors going he said/she said with the cops, claiming it was a cold blooded execution rather than a lethal escalation by the menacing pajama lady, should be no problem to memory hole.

  86. @Achmed E. Newman
    @johnny789

    Autochthon, you have a long-lost twin brother here. It's a miracle!


    ;-}


    OK, now I AM getting confused - headline of the Steve post 2 back (have not read) is:

    Unarmed Immigrant Woman Shot by Minneapolis Police

    Were they both immigrants, or only the cop? How about the Vox writer - is he and immigrant? It's getting out of hand.

    Replies: @Johnny789

    Your “Breezy” writing style is most welcome around these parts. Thanks, Hoss!

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Johnny789

    Thanks, Johnny, and I enjoyed your joke there (along with other comments).

  87. @Mikey Darmody
    The last time I ran into German Lopez was in a mining camp saloon on the outskirts of Potosi. He was glaring at a poker hand that was wearing a sombrero of cigar smoke, and when he turned to look up at me, I froze. His eyes, almond shaped and catlike, were the same color as the golden incisor that speared into his cheroot. I felt my throat and noticed for the first time how divisible its various skin tissues seemed. I prayed to God for a mug of the milk of human kindness and would have settled for a shot-glass of the half-and-half of human indifference. But in the face of that terrible gaze, as wild as the jungles of the Yucatan and as fatal as the whirring death-machines of Herr Meister Krupp, I knew that this Kraut-Spic behemoth, this Hun with the Wet Back, would dance a polka on my spine just as easily as he would blitzkrieg a piñata while collecting a welfare check from Poland.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Joe Sweet, @Paul Jolliffe, @Ragno

    “Say, was you ever bit by a dead bee?”

    (Might you be in this esteemed volume from my bookshelf?)

  88. @Alden
    @Achmed E. Newman

    She was very anti gun. She talked about how great Australia is with strict gun control.

    Replies: @anon, @Achmed E. Newman

    Thanks for the addendum, Alden. I would have bet on that too, but hadn’t looked up very much on the woman killed other than her “spiritual center” (I wanted to see if they specifically advertised raising money for, or for that matter, getting paid for, importation of alien beings to Minnesota.)

    Cops need to have some common sense, though that comes from experience. Not only was Noor a rookie, but being extremely foreign, it could have been that he couldn’t tell the lack of a threat from a thin white lady in pajamas vs. a big black man in clothes that look like pajamas. It’d be purely just a human thing to know she was nothing to be scared of, but maybe Noor was under the mistaken impression, knowing only what he saw on TV, that Americans have lots of guns (true) and they all use them the same way (NOT true).

    Even in less than one year of police work, one could get a handle on which types of people to be on high alert about. Or, he was just a moron, per his country of origin.

    Lastly, getting back to what you wrote, Alden, this Australian woman would probably not be dead if she was armed. Why? She would have probably just stayed in her house/apt. with it, even if she did call the cops at all, had she been armed. She was worried about an intruder – being defenseless would have made her come down to talk to the guys in the car to feel safer. (NOTE: DID NOT WORK OUT!) If she had stayed in, and just talked to the dispatcher about who/what she was worried about, she could have felt pretty comfortable with a pistol or shotgun, just in case the door got kicked open (of course with these dumb cops, who knows even on that?)

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I agree with you that she would still be alive if she stayed inside. But that's hindsight. Most people who call the police don't wait for them to knock on the door but go outside when the car arrives.

    Many gun owners are like you, they know what to do and know about self and home defense. Many gun owners don't know much about home and self defense. Many non gun owners don't know much about home and self defense.

    But I think anyone who called police would approach the police car and speak with the officers when they arrived.

    And if she had a gun on her, then officer Noor gets off Scot free and his partner is pressured to say he didn't see anything. Noor just claims he saw her gun and felt threatened. Then more restrictive gun control laws are passed.

    Fact is, an affirmative action moron thug shot her. He has a history of physical abuse of women complaints against him. One is suing him.

    Woulda shoulda coulda is irrelevant. Unfortunately this murder won't stop affirmative action at all.

  89. @CCZ
    From HuffPo, the charge that blacks can expect a "double standard" in the treatment, investigation, and possible prosecution of this case.

    The slaying of Justine Damond, a white woman from Australia, by a Minneapolis police officer, defies the by now-routine ritual of a police shooting of a civilian. The ritual goes like this. A white, or non-black, cop guns down a young, generally unarmed, African-American male. There is the inevitable rage and protests. Police officials hold a press conference and solemnly promise to investigate. The officer involved is put on “administrative leave.”

    Weeks later, the investigation wraps up, with no charges filed. Now there’s Damond. She seemingly shatters the ritual. She’s a she. She’s white. And she’s from the very white Australia to boot. The gender issue is an issue here though only because she’s white. It has meant next to nothing when the victim is a black woman. In the past three years more than a dozen black women have been gunned down by police.

    Now the intriguing question is, what will be different this time? The answer: a lot. Minneapolis Mayor Betsy Hodges instantly said she was “heartsick and deeply disturbed.” The reporting about the shooting is the gentlest of kid gloves. There was not the slightest hint she had drug, crime involvement, and no mention of any criminal record. There were warm, glowing vigils held for her. The state’s Bureau of Criminal Apprehension quickly announced that it would press to determine if there was any video footage of the slaying.

    This is not prima facie proof of any racial or gender double standard of what happens when police kill whites. However, the initial signals are strong of differences.

    Earl Ofari Hutchinson is an author and political analyst. His forthcoming book, The Trump Challenge to Black America (Middle Passage Press) will be released in August. He is a weekly co-host of the Al Sharpton Show on Radio One.

     

    Replies: @utu, @David In TN, @Alec Leamas

    It’s interesting how conspicuous the omission of the salient fact is – that most often the blacks who were shot were engaging in some sort of attack on the police officer following suspicion of a crime or waiving a convincing fake firearm. This is literally the legally significant factor in the Anglo-American justice system that justifies the shootings of the blacks in these cases. But Ofari-Hutchinson chooses not to acknowledge this or why the absence of this fact makes the recent Minneapolis case of the dead Australian different.

    But I suppose if you’re in an outsider African tribe, the Anglo-American justice system and its well-laid rules seems foreign to you because what matters is that a member of another tribe killed one of yours regardless of the circumstances. This would explain why the comparatively much greater rate of intra-tribe, black-on-black murders don’t raise a hue and cry, and also why there is no embarrassment at the rate of black on everybody else crime.

    The only thing that matters is that the other tribe got one of yours and the other facts are irrelevant.

  90. @King Baeksu
    @Rod1963

    Imagine being a straight-white individual in Muslim-majority Britain or France in 2075. I dare say most will consider it wisest just to convert, having given up any hope of "equal justice under the law."

    Many states in the US face a similar future at current demographic rates.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas

    Imagine being a straight-white individual in Muslim-majority Britain or France in 2075. I dare say most will consider it wisest just to convert, having given up any hope of “equal justice under the law.”

    Many states in the US face a similar future at current demographic rates.

    Perhaps, but how does one “convert” to Mexican?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Alec Leamas

    Well, you're gonna need about 80,000 pesos for the ceremony, so start a 0.095% interest-bearing CD NOW - don't wait on this. Look at all this you'll need:

    2 pinatas
    35 lb. of pinto/blacknegro/garbanzo/kidney beans (your choice of the mix)
    1 18-piece mariachi band (pay them in beans and beer),
    oh, yeah, 47 cases of Modelo,
    one low-riding Ford Ranger pick-up,
    14 senoritas from National City - by the hour or daily, either way,
    Some posters from the flea market of the Pope or some donkeys or the Pope among some donkeys,
    and a coupla bucks for use of the color laser printer for you new Mexican/Deceased-American California driver's license and ID card.

    Well, you don't go half-assed when you convert. Imagine the trouble converting to Islam - I could write a comment on that ... no, better not.

    , @Alden
    @Alec Leamas

    Henderson to Hernandez, Rogers to Rodriguez etc. an average White brain and a Hispanic last name is affirmative action heaven.

  91. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @utu
    @CCZ

    This is not prima facie proof of any racial or gender double standard of what happens when police kill whites. However, the initial signals are strong of differences.

    What a bunch of BS. In 2016 out of 1093 killed by police 574 were white and 266 were black. Somehow we haven't heard much about white victims. This is because Whites do not care about people being killed police and they hear only about Black victims which deep down they may feel it was justified. Blacks, on the other hand muster some ethnic solidarity which, however is used to legitimize police brutality. For this reason BLM was invented and paid for by who know who. But certainly it was not spontaneous grass root initiative. In the long run police brutality per se is never addressed and solved because it is always framed in racial issue. Even now by Sailer who obsesses about the race of the cop and not upon the deed and its real causes. This is the perfect example why TPTB love the multicultural society and its useful idiots, when they can dive and rule by creation ethnic tensions and strife. Slavery is the gift that keeps on giving to them and in Europe they had started importing migrants from disparate cultures and ethnicities after they discovered how well this works in the US of A for the elite.

    Replies: @Rod1963, @syonredux, @Anon

    Indeed. I used to follow sites like Copblock pretty closely. When Eric Garner was choked to death it seemed like police reform was right around the corner. But then BLM sprang up overnight and I knew it was over. Police brutality is a problem for everyone, and they made it into a patented black people problem. Whites (rightly) don’t care much about black people problems.

    • Replies: @utu
    @Anon

    I am glad that you also see it that way. How many commenters Steve Sailer would get if he did not make a racial issue out of it?

  92. @Jus' Sayin'...
    @Barnard

    I'm reposting this here, not out of egomania, but because word needs to get out that this cop either deliberately shot this woman or was handling his weapon in a way that made him a deadly menace to anyone in the vicinity:

    Here http://www.ci.minneapolis.mn.us/police/policy/mpdpolicy_3-200_3-200 it says that allowed duty hand guns in the Minneapolis PD are the following: Sig Sauer P320; Glock Gen 4 17, 19 and 21; Smith & Wesson M&P pistol; Sig Sauer P226 and P227, and Berretta 92 Series.

    I am familiar with the operating characteristics of all these pistols and have used several. All but the last named Sig Sauer Series and the Beretta 92 are striker action pistols. They require at least 4.5 lbs of finger pressure to discharge every time.

    The Sig Sauer p226/P227 and Beretta 92 are double action/single action semi-autos with decocking levers. If these pistols are properly used it is basically impossible for them to discharge accidentally. If the safety/decocking lever is not on safety, a round is in the chamber, and the hammer is down it again takes about 4.5 pounds of finger pressure to discharge the first round.

    The bottom line is that if this Somali idiot/thug was carrying a proper weapon in an approved manner the only way he could have fired his weapon was deliberately and with intent. He’s guilty of manslaughter or murder either way. The lesser charge should include at least depraved indifference.

    Why are we letting these thuggish morons into our country when it is obvious they are utterly unsuited to be citizens.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anon, @bomag

    4.5#s sounds pretty light for a double action with the hammer down. Google tells me that a Berreta’s trigger pull with the hammer down is 13#.

    • Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...
    @Anon

    You are right.

    I have to say, thirteen pounds seemed ridiculous to me until I read the last post here https://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84696 which suggest that the trigger pull on a Beretta in DA mode runs nine-sixteen pounds. I always start shooting my unaltered Beretta DA and the pull seemed to be about seven pounds or so. More than my striker pistols but not excessively so. And http://www.breachbangclear.com/a-critical-look-at-trigger-pull/ suggests that typical out-of-the-box trigger pulls on striker action semi-autos run in the five-seven pound range.

    Your correction, of course, just makes that Somali idiot/thug's actions all the more reprehensible.

  93. @anon
    @Alden

    I have solved this one.
    Picture in this morning's The Australian has her flashing cleavage.
    Mohammed copped an eyeful, was triggered, and his islamic training kicked in.
    Justifiable homicide under Sharia Law.
    Case closed.

    Replies: @Moses

    Yeah I had the exact same thought.

  94. @Clyde
    @Peripatetic commenter

    What horse shit/ This Muslim Noor killed a White woman for no good reason. Who was a repository for good genetic material, unlike Noor.

    Replies: @Expletive Deleted

    a repository for good genetic material

    Dude, she was 40.

    • Replies: @dr kill
    @Expletive Deleted

    Exactly. Her unused ovaries were toast. But her premature death is sure to help with combating global warming, so she didn't die in vain. But the Yoga community is busy lighting candles, there might be some conflict in belief there.

    , @Clyde
    @Expletive Deleted

    Still can happen.......dood....

  95. @Alden
    @Barnard

    According to several stories he reached across the driver and shot her several times. So it wasn't an accident. I don't know about Minneapolis, but lots of departments, particular in liberal criminal loving cities, have all sorts of rules about taking the gun out of the holster. Most require a report written if the gun is taken out if the holster.

    Replies: @Expletive Deleted

    According to several stories he reached across the driver and shot her several times.

    This is odd. How many non-cop witnesses were there hanging around close enough to see anything at all? Presumably the cops involved been told to STFU by employers and lawyers.
    Sounds like manufactured spin, probably from the PD. The UK gov. does it all the time, punts out some absolutely hair-raising statement from “sources”, so that when the nonetheless horrible truth comes out months and years later, it somehow seems more acceptable.
    It’s not like the PD don’t have vast experience in handling these mysteriously unforeseen incidents.

  96. @Johnny789
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Your "Breezy" writing style is most welcome around these parts. Thanks, Hoss!

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Thanks, Johnny, and I enjoyed your joke there (along with other comments).

  97. @King Baeksu
    @White Guy In Japan

    Yep, that's what I was thinking myself. Noor's English may have also been subpar, resulting in offense where none was meant, or exaggerated beyond all recognition.

    Replies: @Expletive Deleted

    He was 31, and arrived in the US “at a young age”, according to his brief. His previous jobs were hotel manager and property management, and he had a degree in business admin. Which either says quite a lot about the state of American education, or is grasping at straws to excuse him.

    tl;dr he’d just been divorced, and he always liked roughing women up on the job anyway, three complaints on file and once sued by the arrestee.

    So sad for the Nice White Ladies of Minnesota. One of their pets turned round and bit them.

  98. @anon
    @Anonymous

    What's the other cop's name?
    Just a guess, but what chance the cops were doing surveillance for some of their fellow Somali theives, and decided to dispose of the witness?
    How are they supposed to know she's an Aussie?
    P.S. Murdoch's PC and totally cucked The Australian newspaper is calling her Justine Ruszczyk, says she hated ''America's gun culture''.

    Replies: @Expletive Deleted, @Alden

    What’s the other cop’s name?

    Matthew Harrity, 25, who received his badge just a year ago. Sounds pretty whitebread to me.

  99. @Calogero
    It is a simple fact that whites and blacks cannot coexist, so why in the hell do we keep letting them into Western lands?

    Replies: @Buck Turgidson

    The General Caseys (Ft Hood muzzie massacre) of the world will be out en force on this, if not already, helpfully explaining that in fact we CAN and DO coexist–and we are lovin it!

    As Gen’l Casey explained, it would be a heckuva shame if this single isolated unprecedented never-seen-before/never-will-happen-again incident of a muzzie killing a white person would be incorrectly viewed as part of a larger pattern, and endanger our precious diversity — which we all know is totally awesome and that everyone loves!

    Also, Marge Gunderson in Edina MN will need some comforting to ensure that no racist thoughts enter her mind, or that she might begin to notice patterns — or, heaven forbid, stop the flow of the checks to the hallowed benevolent saints at Lutheran Relocation services! Doing the Lord’s work, those folks, living on bread and water rations, saving souls.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Buck Turgidson


    Also, Marge Gunderson in Edina MN will need some comforting to ensure that no racist thoughts enter her mind, or that she might begin to notice patterns — or, heaven forbid, stop the flow of the checks to the hallowed benevolent saints at Lutheran Relocation services!
     
    Hey, Buck, helluva deal, I know Marge Gunderson. After her boy Helmer got roughed up over his lunch money last year in 4th grade by some older youths, she started to come around, don'tcha know. Yah, I got her reading SBPDL.com, and she's about as woke as she can be, you betcha.

    Yah, that pastor though, Marge's husband Luther, you remember him, right - he's about ready to get the wood chipper all spruced up for the .... winter don'tch know.
  100. @Anon
    @utu

    Indeed. I used to follow sites like Copblock pretty closely. When Eric Garner was choked to death it seemed like police reform was right around the corner. But then BLM sprang up overnight and I knew it was over. Police brutality is a problem for everyone, and they made it into a patented black people problem. Whites (rightly) don't care much about black people problems.

    Replies: @utu

    I am glad that you also see it that way. How many commenters Steve Sailer would get if he did not make a racial issue out of it?

  101. @Rod1963
    Mohammed coefficient at 100% = murder not accident.

    This was a cold blooded execution only a low IQ Muzzie would do. Consider this, it takes a lot of effort of pull a pistol out of one of those police holster rigs while sitting in a cop car. Your space is limited. His partner would have noticed right away and told him to knock it off - (he was a rookie by most standards). For some reason he didn't say sq

    Then aim and fire through the door multiple times to murder the woman. It's clear he didn't care if he killed his partner.

    Replies: @King Baeksu, @Alden

    Autopsy report says fatal shot in the abdomen. That means through the door, not the window.

    • Replies: @dr kill
    @Alden

    Another armchair coroner. Settle down.

    , @Alden
    @Alden

    Autopsy report released to press says shot in the abdomen. That's what the coroner found and released. Why try to start a fight?

  102. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Alden

    Thanks for the addendum, Alden. I would have bet on that too, but hadn't looked up very much on the woman killed other than her "spiritual center" (I wanted to see if they specifically advertised raising money for, or for that matter, getting paid for, importation of alien beings to Minnesota.)

    Cops need to have some common sense, though that comes from experience. Not only was Noor a rookie, but being extremely foreign, it could have been that he couldn't tell the lack of a threat from a thin white lady in pajamas vs. a big black man in clothes that look like pajamas. It'd be purely just a human thing to know she was nothing to be scared of, but maybe Noor was under the mistaken impression, knowing only what he saw on TV, that Americans have lots of guns (true) and they all use them the same way (NOT true).

    Even in less than one year of police work, one could get a handle on which types of people to be on high alert about. Or, he was just a moron, per his country of origin.

    Lastly, getting back to what you wrote, Alden, this Australian woman would probably not be dead if she was armed. Why? She would have probably just stayed in her house/apt. with it, even if she did call the cops at all, had she been armed. She was worried about an intruder - being defenseless would have made her come down to talk to the guys in the car to feel safer. (NOTE: DID NOT WORK OUT!) If she had stayed in, and just talked to the dispatcher about who/what she was worried about, she could have felt pretty comfortable with a pistol or shotgun, just in case the door got kicked open (of course with these dumb cops, who knows even on that?)

    Replies: @Alden

    I agree with you that she would still be alive if she stayed inside. But that’s hindsight. Most people who call the police don’t wait for them to knock on the door but go outside when the car arrives.

    Many gun owners are like you, they know what to do and know about self and home defense. Many gun owners don’t know much about home and self defense. Many non gun owners don’t know much about home and self defense.

    But I think anyone who called police would approach the police car and speak with the officers when they arrived.

    And if she had a gun on her, then officer Noor gets off Scot free and his partner is pressured to say he didn’t see anything. Noor just claims he saw her gun and felt threatened. Then more restrictive gun control laws are passed.

    Fact is, an affirmative action moron thug shot her. He has a history of physical abuse of women complaints against him. One is suing him.

    Woulda shoulda coulda is irrelevant. Unfortunately this murder won’t stop affirmative action at all.

  103. @anon
    @utu

    That's 26 more than have ever been convicted of either Murder or Manslaughter while on duty in the history of Australia since 1788.

    Replies: @utu

    In Australia there were 94 fatal shootings by police in 1992-2011 which is about 5/year compared to America’s about 1000/year. At this rates and at American’s level of immunity of 99.65% you need to wait another 50 years to get the first police charged in Australia.

  104. @King Baeksu
    From World Net Daily:

    Noor joined the department in March 2015 and is assigned to the 5th Precinct in southwest Minneapolis. Before that, he worked in property management.

    The Minneapolis Office of Police Conduct Review contains records that show Noor has had three complaints filed against him, two of which remain open, the Star-Tribune reports. Another was closed without discipline.

    Minneapolis has the nation’s largest concentration of Somali refugees, with the community estimated at approximately 50,000 strong in the city. The city’s Democrat mayor and council have made every effort to hire Somalis as part of the city’s diversity program.
     

    In other words, native-born Americans are being shunted aside and passed over for jobs in favor of non-natives, whose salaries are in turn often paid by the natives. What a racket!

    Deplorables are the new kulaks. Third-world immigrants are the new proletariat. If a few kulaks need to be removed or taken out to advance the revolution, then so be it.

    Onwards, comrades! Our work has only just begun!

    Replies: @Cato, @NOTA, @CrunchyButRealistCon, @Ragno

    Deplorables are the new kulaks. If a few kulaks need to be removed or taken out to advance the revolution, then so be it.

    You might want to start hoarding food in that case.

  105. @Mikey Darmody
    The last time I ran into German Lopez was in a mining camp saloon on the outskirts of Potosi. He was glaring at a poker hand that was wearing a sombrero of cigar smoke, and when he turned to look up at me, I froze. His eyes, almond shaped and catlike, were the same color as the golden incisor that speared into his cheroot. I felt my throat and noticed for the first time how divisible its various skin tissues seemed. I prayed to God for a mug of the milk of human kindness and would have settled for a shot-glass of the half-and-half of human indifference. But in the face of that terrible gaze, as wild as the jungles of the Yucatan and as fatal as the whirring death-machines of Herr Meister Krupp, I knew that this Kraut-Spic behemoth, this Hun with the Wet Back, would dance a polka on my spine just as easily as he would blitzkrieg a piñata while collecting a welfare check from Poland.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Joe Sweet, @Paul Jolliffe, @Ragno

    Full marks!

  106. @Expletive Deleted
    @Clyde


    a repository for good genetic material
     
    Dude, she was 40.

    Replies: @dr kill, @Clyde

    Exactly. Her unused ovaries were toast. But her premature death is sure to help with combating global warming, so she didn’t die in vain. But the Yoga community is busy lighting candles, there might be some conflict in belief there.

  107. @Alden
    @Rod1963

    Autopsy report says fatal shot in the abdomen. That means through the door, not the window.

    Replies: @dr kill, @Alden

    Another armchair coroner. Settle down.

  108. @Expletive Deleted
    @Clyde


    a repository for good genetic material
     
    Dude, she was 40.

    Replies: @dr kill, @Clyde

    Still can happen…….dood….

  109. @Anon
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    4.5#s sounds pretty light for a double action with the hammer down. Google tells me that a Berreta's trigger pull with the hammer down is 13#.

    Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...

    You are right.

    I have to say, thirteen pounds seemed ridiculous to me until I read the last post here https://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84696 which suggest that the trigger pull on a Beretta in DA mode runs nine-sixteen pounds. I always start shooting my unaltered Beretta DA and the pull seemed to be about seven pounds or so. More than my striker pistols but not excessively so. And http://www.breachbangclear.com/a-critical-look-at-trigger-pull/ suggests that typical out-of-the-box trigger pulls on striker action semi-autos run in the five-seven pound range.

    Your correction, of course, just makes that Somali idiot/thug’s actions all the more reprehensible.

  110. Ever notice that police officers are a “gang”? The “thin blue line” IS a “gang”…with “legal authority under color of law”.

    Solutions for police misconduct:

    1. Abolish official “immunity” for all public officials. Police, firefighters, code enforcement, child protective services, and other officials should be subject to lawsuits, not unlike the general public. This one change would help restore responsibility to our “public servants”.

    2. Require all police officers to purchase an insurance “bond” at their own expense. No bond=no job. You can bet that insurance companies would be more diligent in weeding out the bad apples than our present system, which pays out millions for official misconduct.

    3. Abolish police unions. Police unions serve to whitewash questionable police behavior while making more demands of their employers (taxpayers and municipalities) with unreasonable and outlandish wage and pension demands. Police unions are instrumental in keeping “bad” police officers on the payroll.

    4. Body and dash cameras must be used when any interaction with the citizenry takes place. Any officer that causes a body camera to be disabled should be fired immediately. No camera-no citizen interaction-no exceptions. All body camera footage is to be uploaded to the “cloud” on a publicly-accessible internet site. Cameras actually protect police officers from frivolous claims.

    5. Police must be subject to the same laws regarding the use of “deadly force” as the citizenry. No special exceptions to be given to police regarding the use of deadly force. “Fear for one’s life” is not a valid excuse, as that same “excuse” is rarely afforded to the citizenry.

    6. Police should have no “waiting periods” for questioning or being investigated (as is the case today–police get 72 hours to “work” their statements). The general public gets no such consideration; neither should police. These “waiting periods” only reinforce the questionable tactics police use, and allow them time to “get their stories straight”.

    7. Police should not be allowed to investigate themselves. Outside, independent investigations by a disinterested government agency should be the norm. Civilian review boards with NO police ties should be implemented. Prosecutors should be subordinate to the grand jury…

    8. Police should not be permitted to lie, in order to extract confessions. All interviews with suspects must be recorded and videotaped. No exceptions…

    9. Militarization of police must stop. The “us vs. them” attitude that permeates almost all American police departments is a result of training in Israeli police tactics. Military veterans who seek careers in law enforcement must be “vetted” to a much greater degree than is presently done. THE PUBLIC IS NOT THE ENEMY.

    10. No-knock raids and asset forfeiture must be abolished. No-knock raids only serve to endanger both the police and the citizenry. Asset forfeiture is robbery “under color of authority”. Unbeknown to most, many municipalities encourage asset forfeiture by decreasing police department budgets by the amounts that police seize from the public.

    11. Any laws passed that restrict the use of firearms (magazine capacity limits, types of firearms) should also apply to police. Equal justice under law…

    American “law enforcement” has degenerated into a system where police can issue conflicting commands, demanding immediate response (many times conflicting commands from multiple officers) and can get away with murdering anyone if their demands are not met.
    It seems that they are almost always “given a pass” even when circumstances of the use of deadly force are questionable.

    Any police officer who cannot “disarm” a person holding a knife, rake or a stick without using “deadly force” should not be on the force…

    If American “law enforcement” does not “clean up its act”, blowback will be the result, as those who are aggrieved who fight back will see only the uniform, and not the person wearing it, not unlike how many police officers view the public…
    Attention police forces: WE ARE NOT THE ENEMY…

    • Replies: @Eagle Eye
    @anarchyst


    Civilian review boards with NO police ties should be implemented. Prosecutors should be subordinate to the grand jury…
     
    Two related key points:

    (1) Abolish 1 county 1 DA system. At present, the local DA in effect has the power to license favored gangs, police agencies etc. to commit crimes with impunity.

    We need to have MULTIPLE supervising agencies (review boards and public prosecutors) with OVERLAPPING, concurrent jurisdiction. For example, in a state with 54 counties, one might have 100 review boards and 100 public prosecutor's offices working cases randomly assigned to them.

    (2) RANDOM assignment. Crimes should be assigned to different prosecutors' offices through an automated, random system. A criminal in LA should be aware that he might find himself prosecuted in Lassen County in the North East of California.

    Similarly, an LA cop should be aware that he may be pulled up before a review board in San Diego - having his union bribe his local civil review board won't suffice.

    Replies: @anarchyst

    , @NOTA
    @anarchyst

    The most important thing on your list, by far, is to end the awful practice of running your local police department as a revenue source. When that goes very far, it is inherently corrupting and it sets up the community and the police to be enemies. (Radley Balko had a story a few years back quoting some municipal judges who said they'd like to be more flexible in some cases wrt payment from poor defendants, but they were under pressure to bring in as much money as possible.)

  111. @Alec Leamas
    @King Baeksu


    Imagine being a straight-white individual in Muslim-majority Britain or France in 2075. I dare say most will consider it wisest just to convert, having given up any hope of “equal justice under the law.”

    Many states in the US face a similar future at current demographic rates.
     
    Perhaps, but how does one "convert" to Mexican?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Alden

    Well, you’re gonna need about 80,000 pesos for the ceremony, so start a 0.095% interest-bearing CD NOW – don’t wait on this. Look at all this you’ll need:

    2 pinatas
    35 lb. of pinto/blacknegro/garbanzo/kidney beans (your choice of the mix)
    1 18-piece mariachi band (pay them in beans and beer),
    oh, yeah, 47 cases of Modelo,
    one low-riding Ford Ranger pick-up,
    14 senoritas from National City – by the hour or daily, either way,
    Some posters from the flea market of the Pope or some donkeys or the Pope among some donkeys,
    and a coupla bucks for use of the color laser printer for you new Mexican/Deceased-American California driver’s license and ID card.

    Well, you don’t go half-assed when you convert. Imagine the trouble converting to Islam – I could write a comment on that … no, better not.

  112. @Alec Leamas
    @King Baeksu


    Imagine being a straight-white individual in Muslim-majority Britain or France in 2075. I dare say most will consider it wisest just to convert, having given up any hope of “equal justice under the law.”

    Many states in the US face a similar future at current demographic rates.
     
    Perhaps, but how does one "convert" to Mexican?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Alden

    Henderson to Hernandez, Rogers to Rodriguez etc. an average White brain and a Hispanic last name is affirmative action heaven.

  113. @Alden
    @Rod1963

    Autopsy report says fatal shot in the abdomen. That means through the door, not the window.

    Replies: @dr kill, @Alden

    Autopsy report released to press says shot in the abdomen. That’s what the coroner found and released. Why try to start a fight?

  114. @anon
    @Anonymous

    What's the other cop's name?
    Just a guess, but what chance the cops were doing surveillance for some of their fellow Somali theives, and decided to dispose of the witness?
    How are they supposed to know she's an Aussie?
    P.S. Murdoch's PC and totally cucked The Australian newspaper is calling her Justine Ruszczyk, says she hated ''America's gun culture''.

    Replies: @Expletive Deleted, @Alden

    I read that in some US reports, that when she got to the states she was appalled by the gun culture and spoke out about it. Don’t know if it’s true or not.

  115. @JimB
    The shooting occurred in an upscale Minneapolis neighborhood with lots of liberal white Obama supporters. At some point they just might catch on that diversity and affirmative action are not in their best interest.

    Replies: @lavoisier

    Don’t hold your breath.

    You can take the Scandinavian out of Sweden, but you cannot take the Sweden out of the Scandinavian.

    • Replies: @Olorin
    @lavoisier

    When they left their parents' church, they lost track of what it was doing.

    http://lirs.org/

  116. @Mikey Darmody
    @anonymous

    Joke's on you, I'm unemployed! :)
    Jk, jk. For real tho, Anon, you better have some respect or I'mma sic CNN's KFile on you.

    Replies: @SteveRogers42

    Rocco Gibraltar is cracking the knuckles on his left bunch of bananas and waiting for the OK to teach this mook some manners.

    • LOL: Mikey Darmody
  117. @lavoisier
    @JimB

    Don't hold your breath.

    You can take the Scandinavian out of Sweden, but you cannot take the Sweden out of the Scandinavian.

    Replies: @Olorin

    When they left their parents’ church, they lost track of what it was doing.

    http://lirs.org/

  118. @Escher
    @David In TN


    I don’t think Hutchinson mentioned the cop was black and an “immigrant” from Somalia.

     

    "Ofari" should give you a clue.

    Replies: @Alden

    His mama misspelled offal on the birth certificate.

  119. @Buck Turgidson
    @Calogero

    The General Caseys (Ft Hood muzzie massacre) of the world will be out en force on this, if not already, helpfully explaining that in fact we CAN and DO coexist--and we are lovin it!

    As Gen'l Casey explained, it would be a heckuva shame if this single isolated unprecedented never-seen-before/never-will-happen-again incident of a muzzie killing a white person would be incorrectly viewed as part of a larger pattern, and endanger our precious diversity -- which we all know is totally awesome and that everyone loves!

    Also, Marge Gunderson in Edina MN will need some comforting to ensure that no racist thoughts enter her mind, or that she might begin to notice patterns -- or, heaven forbid, stop the flow of the checks to the hallowed benevolent saints at Lutheran Relocation services! Doing the Lord's work, those folks, living on bread and water rations, saving souls.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Also, Marge Gunderson in Edina MN will need some comforting to ensure that no racist thoughts enter her mind, or that she might begin to notice patterns — or, heaven forbid, stop the flow of the checks to the hallowed benevolent saints at Lutheran Relocation services!

    Hey, Buck, helluva deal, I know Marge Gunderson. After her boy Helmer got roughed up over his lunch money last year in 4th grade by some older youths, she started to come around, don’tcha know. Yah, I got her reading SBPDL.com, and she’s about as woke as she can be, you betcha.

    Yah, that pastor though, Marge’s husband Luther, you remember him, right – he’s about ready to get the wood chipper all spruced up for the …. winter don’tch know.

  120. @Jus' Sayin'...
    @Barnard

    I'm reposting this here, not out of egomania, but because word needs to get out that this cop either deliberately shot this woman or was handling his weapon in a way that made him a deadly menace to anyone in the vicinity:

    Here http://www.ci.minneapolis.mn.us/police/policy/mpdpolicy_3-200_3-200 it says that allowed duty hand guns in the Minneapolis PD are the following: Sig Sauer P320; Glock Gen 4 17, 19 and 21; Smith & Wesson M&P pistol; Sig Sauer P226 and P227, and Berretta 92 Series.

    I am familiar with the operating characteristics of all these pistols and have used several. All but the last named Sig Sauer Series and the Beretta 92 are striker action pistols. They require at least 4.5 lbs of finger pressure to discharge every time.

    The Sig Sauer p226/P227 and Beretta 92 are double action/single action semi-autos with decocking levers. If these pistols are properly used it is basically impossible for them to discharge accidentally. If the safety/decocking lever is not on safety, a round is in the chamber, and the hammer is down it again takes about 4.5 pounds of finger pressure to discharge the first round.

    The bottom line is that if this Somali idiot/thug was carrying a proper weapon in an approved manner the only way he could have fired his weapon was deliberately and with intent. He’s guilty of manslaughter or murder either way. The lesser charge should include at least depraved indifference.

    Why are we letting these thuggish morons into our country when it is obvious they are utterly unsuited to be citizens.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anon, @bomag

    Why are we letting these thuggish morons into our country when it is obvious they are utterly unsuited to be citizens?

    They provide a frisson of excitement for the ruling class. It is akin to keeping a lion as a pet. If a few servants get eaten on occasion, that’s unfortunate, but part of the deal.

  121. @Cloudbuster
    From the Vox article:

    But why does the US have a much higher violent crime rate than other countries? One explanation: Americans are much more likely to own guns than their peers around the world. This means that conflicts — not just between police and civilians but between civilians — are more likely to escalate into deadly, violent encounters.

    No mention of the fact that criminality in the U.S. is concentrated among blacks and, to a lesser extent, hispanics. The population of the U.S. that looks like white, Western Europe, has crime rates comparable to white, Western Europe.

    But that's inconvenient to the narrative Vox is trying to push.

    Also, whenever making these "gun violence" comparisons, they always specifically avoid making the comparison to other nations that have high levels of violence, which seems pretty weird, when you think about it. Because, that, also, runs counter to the narrative. Why isn't it worthy of consideration that, just to pick two off the top of my head, Brazil and South Africa have very restrictive gun laws and huge homicide rates?

    Replies: @anarchyst

    take away the “crime rate” in America’s black-run cities, and you will find out that the “violent crime rate” is well below that of most other countries in the world.

  122. Two crazy theories about what has happened:

    (1) It was a bet between the two (or three) cops about who would score killing first in their new careers.

    (2) It was a set up. (*) One can think of many possible reason for a set up. But it could go as follows: they turned off all cameras (3 or 4) and one of the cops started shouting she has a gun, she has a gun.

    (*) The case of recently acquitted Betty Shelby made me think of a set up for the first time. Allegedly she was hired to make the department more mellow and less brutal and very soon she ended up killing an unarmed motorist.

    • Replies: @NOTA
    @utu

    The most likely explanation given what we know now seems to be that the cop accidentally fired his gun and killed this lady, and then the two cops tried to keep her alive but failed. There seems to be no hint of anyone being scared or mistaking her for a threat. But there's also not an obvious explanation for why there was a gun pointing at her (through the car door?) that was at all in a position to go off. Was the cop who shot her playing with his gun in his lap at the time?

    I very much wonder what happened. with the bodycam footage. After a fatal accident caused by carelessness or screwing around with a gun, you can imagine a lot of incentive to delete that footage.

  123. Eagle Eye says:
    @Busby
    There's something or many things missing from what we are being told. I'm at a loss to construct a plausible situation that accounts for the few facts we know.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson, @Boethiuss, @Anon, @Eagle Eye

    I’m at a loss to construct a plausible situation that accounts for the few facts we know.

    We are hearing NOTHING about the underlying crime that Justine “Damond” had reported.

    Attempted (?) rape by a fellow Somali might make sense of the bizarre events, especially since Noor must have known he was on the way out as a cop. Murdering rape victims and female witnesses is a time-honored Islamic practice that serves to preserve “honor” and enhance social cohesion.

  124. @Jonathan Mason
    Some publications may decide to withold information that they think might be inflammatory, or cause some kind of retaliation against the person concerned, or their children. For example, in Minneapolis kids in schools might taunt Somali kids and start fights.

    In another example, victims of rape or sexual abuse are often not named in media reports if there is no general benefit in having their name out there.

    Whether this kind of "well-meaning" self censorship is a good idea or not is a moot point.

    Replies: @Alden, @bomag

    Some publications may decide to withold information that they think might be inflammatory

    Most of this falls under “you can’t handle the truth.”

    • Replies: @NOTA
    @bomag

    If you're a newspaper that withholds relevant information from its stories to shape public opinion or lead people to the right conclusions, how are you different from a propaganda organ?

  125. Eagle Eye says:
    @anarchyst
    Ever notice that police officers are a "gang"? The "thin blue line" IS a "gang"...with "legal authority under color of law".

    Solutions for police misconduct:

    1. Abolish official "immunity" for all public officials. Police, firefighters, code enforcement, child protective services, and other officials should be subject to lawsuits, not unlike the general public. This one change would help restore responsibility to our "public servants".

    2. Require all police officers to purchase an insurance "bond" at their own expense. No bond=no job. You can bet that insurance companies would be more diligent in weeding out the bad apples than our present system, which pays out millions for official misconduct.

    3. Abolish police unions. Police unions serve to whitewash questionable police behavior while making more demands of their employers (taxpayers and municipalities) with unreasonable and outlandish wage and pension demands. Police unions are instrumental in keeping "bad" police officers on the payroll.

    4. Body and dash cameras must be used when any interaction with the citizenry takes place. Any officer that causes a body camera to be disabled should be fired immediately. No camera-no citizen interaction-no exceptions. All body camera footage is to be uploaded to the "cloud" on a publicly-accessible internet site. Cameras actually protect police officers from frivolous claims.

    5. Police must be subject to the same laws regarding the use of "deadly force" as the citizenry. No special exceptions to be given to police regarding the use of deadly force. "Fear for one's life" is not a valid excuse, as that same "excuse" is rarely afforded to the citizenry.

    6. Police should have no "waiting periods" for questioning or being investigated (as is the case today--police get 72 hours to "work" their statements). The general public gets no such consideration; neither should police. These "waiting periods" only reinforce the questionable tactics police use, and allow them time to "get their stories straight".

    7. Police should not be allowed to investigate themselves. Outside, independent investigations by a disinterested government agency should be the norm. Civilian review boards with NO police ties should be implemented. Prosecutors should be subordinate to the grand jury...

    8. Police should not be permitted to lie, in order to extract confessions. All interviews with suspects must be recorded and videotaped. No exceptions...

    9. Militarization of police must stop. The "us vs. them" attitude that permeates almost all American police departments is a result of training in Israeli police tactics. Military veterans who seek careers in law enforcement must be "vetted" to a much greater degree than is presently done. THE PUBLIC IS NOT THE ENEMY.

    10. No-knock raids and asset forfeiture must be abolished. No-knock raids only serve to endanger both the police and the citizenry. Asset forfeiture is robbery "under color of authority". Unbeknown to most, many municipalities encourage asset forfeiture by decreasing police department budgets by the amounts that police seize from the public.

    11. Any laws passed that restrict the use of firearms (magazine capacity limits, types of firearms) should also apply to police. Equal justice under law...

    American "law enforcement" has degenerated into a system where police can issue conflicting commands, demanding immediate response (many times conflicting commands from multiple officers) and can get away with murdering anyone if their demands are not met.
    It seems that they are almost always "given a pass" even when circumstances of the use of deadly force are questionable.

    Any police officer who cannot "disarm" a person holding a knife, rake or a stick without using "deadly force" should not be on the force...

    If American "law enforcement" does not "clean up its act", blowback will be the result, as those who are aggrieved who fight back will see only the uniform, and not the person wearing it, not unlike how many police officers view the public...
    Attention police forces: WE ARE NOT THE ENEMY...

    Replies: @Eagle Eye, @NOTA

    Civilian review boards with NO police ties should be implemented. Prosecutors should be subordinate to the grand jury…

    Two related key points:

    (1) Abolish 1 county 1 DA system. At present, the local DA in effect has the power to license favored gangs, police agencies etc. to commit crimes with impunity.

    We need to have MULTIPLE supervising agencies (review boards and public prosecutors) with OVERLAPPING, concurrent jurisdiction. For example, in a state with 54 counties, one might have 100 review boards and 100 public prosecutor’s offices working cases randomly assigned to them.

    (2) RANDOM assignment. Crimes should be assigned to different prosecutors’ offices through an automated, random system. A criminal in LA should be aware that he might find himself prosecuted in Lassen County in the North East of California.

    Similarly, an LA cop should be aware that he may be pulled up before a review board in San Diego – having his union bribe his local civil review board won’t suffice.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    @Eagle Eye

    Excellent points. Thank you for commenting.

  126. Steve your cop posts bring out nuttier people than your posts where you name the tribe.

  127. @utu
    @syonredux

    We can’t have competent, well-trained cops in the USA because that would mean that very few Blacks would get hired.

    You never had competent and well trained cops in the USA. Whys should they be well trained if they always could kill with impunity. Lowering the standards because of EO employment requirements did not help but it is not the chief cause. The subculture among American law enforcement that existed long before the first black cop was ever hired is the chief cause. You have to address it first. By turning it to a racial issue and or immigration issue you place yourself together alongside the useful idiots of BLM. I doubt that you really care about police brutality. Does it matter to you that 574 Whites and 266 Blacks were killed by police in 2016? I doubt it.

    Replies: @NOTA

    I’ve begun to think of unnecessary police shootings as having a lot in common with terrorist attacks and plane crashes–they’re spectacular and get lots of media attention, but they are not actually a huge risk or problem.

    The question is, how many of those shootings were unnecessary? 690/958 of the people shot by police in 2016 (using the Washington Post’s page) were armed with a gun or knife. Let’s make a back of the envelope estimate here and assume that that’s about the number of police shootings we’d have had with absolutely perfect policemen exactly doing what we want them to do. (Not all armed people should have been shot, but not all unarmed people *shouldn’t* have been shot. This looks like a reasonable first cut estimate to me.). So suppose we are talking about maybe 368 police shootings per year that shouldn’t have happened.

    That’s at least a back of the envelope estimate of how big the problem is. And since we are dealing with humans, no change we could make to policing (better training, better selection of police, body cameras, more independent oversight, different ROE, different weapon mix, etc.) would eliminate all of those. Remember that awful case a few years back where the cop killed some dude because he grabbed his gun but thought he had grabbed his taser? Stuff like that will happen sometimes, in a big country with a lot of crime. My guess is that the best we could do with police reform would be maybe saving a couple hundred lives a year. That’s worth doing, but it would be easy to do more harm than good trying to prevent those 200 or so deaths. (See the war on terror.). Also, from everything I can see, the probability of an innocent person being shot by the cops is really low.

  128. @bomag
    @Jonathan Mason


    Some publications may decide to withold information that they think might be inflammatory
     
    Most of this falls under "you can't handle the truth."

    Replies: @NOTA

    If you’re a newspaper that withholds relevant information from its stories to shape public opinion or lead people to the right conclusions, how are you different from a propaganda organ?

  129. @Eagle Eye
    @anarchyst


    Civilian review boards with NO police ties should be implemented. Prosecutors should be subordinate to the grand jury…
     
    Two related key points:

    (1) Abolish 1 county 1 DA system. At present, the local DA in effect has the power to license favored gangs, police agencies etc. to commit crimes with impunity.

    We need to have MULTIPLE supervising agencies (review boards and public prosecutors) with OVERLAPPING, concurrent jurisdiction. For example, in a state with 54 counties, one might have 100 review boards and 100 public prosecutor's offices working cases randomly assigned to them.

    (2) RANDOM assignment. Crimes should be assigned to different prosecutors' offices through an automated, random system. A criminal in LA should be aware that he might find himself prosecuted in Lassen County in the North East of California.

    Similarly, an LA cop should be aware that he may be pulled up before a review board in San Diego - having his union bribe his local civil review board won't suffice.

    Replies: @anarchyst

    Excellent points. Thank you for commenting.

  130. @anarchyst
    Ever notice that police officers are a "gang"? The "thin blue line" IS a "gang"...with "legal authority under color of law".

    Solutions for police misconduct:

    1. Abolish official "immunity" for all public officials. Police, firefighters, code enforcement, child protective services, and other officials should be subject to lawsuits, not unlike the general public. This one change would help restore responsibility to our "public servants".

    2. Require all police officers to purchase an insurance "bond" at their own expense. No bond=no job. You can bet that insurance companies would be more diligent in weeding out the bad apples than our present system, which pays out millions for official misconduct.

    3. Abolish police unions. Police unions serve to whitewash questionable police behavior while making more demands of their employers (taxpayers and municipalities) with unreasonable and outlandish wage and pension demands. Police unions are instrumental in keeping "bad" police officers on the payroll.

    4. Body and dash cameras must be used when any interaction with the citizenry takes place. Any officer that causes a body camera to be disabled should be fired immediately. No camera-no citizen interaction-no exceptions. All body camera footage is to be uploaded to the "cloud" on a publicly-accessible internet site. Cameras actually protect police officers from frivolous claims.

    5. Police must be subject to the same laws regarding the use of "deadly force" as the citizenry. No special exceptions to be given to police regarding the use of deadly force. "Fear for one's life" is not a valid excuse, as that same "excuse" is rarely afforded to the citizenry.

    6. Police should have no "waiting periods" for questioning or being investigated (as is the case today--police get 72 hours to "work" their statements). The general public gets no such consideration; neither should police. These "waiting periods" only reinforce the questionable tactics police use, and allow them time to "get their stories straight".

    7. Police should not be allowed to investigate themselves. Outside, independent investigations by a disinterested government agency should be the norm. Civilian review boards with NO police ties should be implemented. Prosecutors should be subordinate to the grand jury...

    8. Police should not be permitted to lie, in order to extract confessions. All interviews with suspects must be recorded and videotaped. No exceptions...

    9. Militarization of police must stop. The "us vs. them" attitude that permeates almost all American police departments is a result of training in Israeli police tactics. Military veterans who seek careers in law enforcement must be "vetted" to a much greater degree than is presently done. THE PUBLIC IS NOT THE ENEMY.

    10. No-knock raids and asset forfeiture must be abolished. No-knock raids only serve to endanger both the police and the citizenry. Asset forfeiture is robbery "under color of authority". Unbeknown to most, many municipalities encourage asset forfeiture by decreasing police department budgets by the amounts that police seize from the public.

    11. Any laws passed that restrict the use of firearms (magazine capacity limits, types of firearms) should also apply to police. Equal justice under law...

    American "law enforcement" has degenerated into a system where police can issue conflicting commands, demanding immediate response (many times conflicting commands from multiple officers) and can get away with murdering anyone if their demands are not met.
    It seems that they are almost always "given a pass" even when circumstances of the use of deadly force are questionable.

    Any police officer who cannot "disarm" a person holding a knife, rake or a stick without using "deadly force" should not be on the force...

    If American "law enforcement" does not "clean up its act", blowback will be the result, as those who are aggrieved who fight back will see only the uniform, and not the person wearing it, not unlike how many police officers view the public...
    Attention police forces: WE ARE NOT THE ENEMY...

    Replies: @Eagle Eye, @NOTA

    The most important thing on your list, by far, is to end the awful practice of running your local police department as a revenue source. When that goes very far, it is inherently corrupting and it sets up the community and the police to be enemies. (Radley Balko had a story a few years back quoting some municipal judges who said they’d like to be more flexible in some cases wrt payment from poor defendants, but they were under pressure to bring in as much money as possible.)

  131. @utu
    Two crazy theories about what has happened:

    (1) It was a bet between the two (or three) cops about who would score killing first in their new careers.

    (2) It was a set up. (*) One can think of many possible reason for a set up. But it could go as follows: they turned off all cameras (3 or 4) and one of the cops started shouting she has a gun, she has a gun.

    (*) The case of recently acquitted Betty Shelby made me think of a set up for the first time. Allegedly she was hired to make the department more mellow and less brutal and very soon she ended up killing an unarmed motorist.

    Replies: @NOTA

    The most likely explanation given what we know now seems to be that the cop accidentally fired his gun and killed this lady, and then the two cops tried to keep her alive but failed. There seems to be no hint of anyone being scared or mistaking her for a threat. But there’s also not an obvious explanation for why there was a gun pointing at her (through the car door?) that was at all in a position to go off. Was the cop who shot her playing with his gun in his lap at the time?

    I very much wonder what happened. with the bodycam footage. After a fatal accident caused by carelessness or screwing around with a gun, you can imagine a lot of incentive to delete that footage.

  132. @Cagey Beast
    Alex Jones performed a folksy little tune about this sort of thing. "The police chief is gonna say 'we love our Somalis, we love our Muslims. Oh they're so good. Oh they're so sweet".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWd6XgBVIcg

    Replies: @Cagey Beast

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