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From FiveThirtyEight:

Many Americans Are Convinced Crime Is Rising In The U.S. They’re Wrong.

But their fear makes everyone less safe.
By Maggie Koerth and Amelia Thomson-DeVeaux

AUG. 3, 2020, AT 6:00 AM

… We are certain crime is rising when it isn’t; convinced our risk of victimization is higher than it actually is. And in a summer when the president is sending federal agents to crack down on crime in major cities and local politicians are arguing over the risks of defunding the police, that disconnect matters. In an age of anxiety, crime may be one of our most misleading fears.

Take the crime rate. In 2019, according to a survey conducted by Gallup, about 64 percent of Americans believed that there was more crime in the U.S. than there was a year ago. It’s a belief we’ve consistently held for decades now, but as you can see in the chart below, we’ve been, just as consistently, very wrong.

True, but the funny thing, of course, is that the media are most likely to trot out these old studies of people seeing crime rising when it’s not precisely when crime is rising because media-backed Black Lives Matter campaigns in 2014-2016 and in 2020 are getting Black Lives Spattered.

In reality, there is a huge amount of evidence that crime, especially shooting and looting, are up since Day Zero of the George Floyd Era, May 24, 2020.

Crime rates do fluctuate from year to year. In 2020, for example, murder has been up but other crimes are in decline so that the crime rate, overall, is down.

Keep your eye on the number of dead bodies.

Moreover, the amount of burglaries in various lootings has been enormous, judging by helicopter and security camera footage I’ve watched of neighborhoods I’m familiar with. To say that crime is down because nobody filed a police report on each individual looter is ridiculous.

 
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  1. So 548 is trying to cozy up with the establishment.

    That’s cute.

    I’m guessing that blogging about political stats doesn’t pay well and Nate wants a full time job at CNN.

    “All the homicides in Chicago occur in about 8 percent of the city’s census tracts,”

    Census tracks? Is that what we are calling Black areas?

    And a recent study suggests that Trump’s words could have an effect.

    Trump is to blame. Definitely pushing for a cushy CNN or MSNBC position.

    The trouble is that fear about crime isn’t rational, and it’s hard to convince people to think differently about a problem that they don’t experience on a day-to-day basis anyway.

    So this isn’t a rational concern?
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-york-city-shootings-rose-177percent-in-july-data-shows/ar-BB17yxRZ

    Next up 538 will blog about how guns make you less safe and without any breakdown by race.

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    @John Johnson

    "Next up 538 will blog about how guns make you less safe and without any breakdown by race."

    It's already in there, though just as a drive-by remark. I'm sure you're right, and they'll devote a whole campaign to that lie.

  2. Glad to see this balancing article on the heels of 538’s takedown of people’s belief in widespread police shootings of innocent, unarmed blacks.

    • LOL: bomag
  3. Great. It was confusing enough choosing between point-and-sputter and point-and-splutter. Now we have to decide between Black Lives Spatter and Black Lives Splatter.

    Not to mention who is the sp(l)atterer and who is the sp(l)atteree.

    …murder has been up but other crimes are in decline so that the crime rate, overall, is down.

    Fewer victims, and fewer potential perpetrators. An analogue to “Why are so many in prison when the crime rate is down?”

  4. As they say at NYPD Compstat meetings; you cannot hide a bullet-ridden body. What they don’t say but know; burglary can always be downgraded to “lost property” and robbery to “petit larceny”, and presto, you felony offenses are reduced.

    • Agree: Federalist, TWS
    • Replies: @Cortes
    @Bugg

    Interesting how crime can be disguised.

    OT, I noticed that the names of the mother and brother of St George Floyd are “Larcenia” and “Philonise”.

    No, really.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Bugg

    Bugg, crime stats are whatever they disclose to us. But remember, theft under $960 doesn't count. Millions of dollars of looted merchandise doesn't count, major arson doesn't count and the occasional 92 year old White woman sucker punched into lala land doesn't count, In SanFrancisco over 30,000 car break ins last year, yes 30,000 and 2% arrests. A thousand stolen bikes found in a bridge pier access vault and nothing done, so most people don't even bother. Was it Minneapolis where they advised citizens to just hand over their cell phone, wallet and car keys.

  5. Keep you eye on the dead bodies.

    Exactly. Crime stats are infinitely subject to manipulation in the way they are defined, collected, and reported.

    For example, you can categorize stealing $950 or less as a mere misdemeanor that gets you a ticket instead of jail time. This causes actual thefts to skyrocket. But since the cops won’t do anything, nobody bothers to call them for thefts anymore. So on paper, the crime rate goes down. In reality, it’s way up.

    But counting up bodies with bullet holes leaves little room for manipulation. Assuming a relatively stable ratio between the number of murders and other violent crimes is thus probably the best way to estimate the overall real crime rate in the era of politicized fake statistics.

    • Agree: Ben tillman, Rob McX, JosephB
    • Disagree: ic1000
    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    @Hypnotoad666

    Right? It's easy enough to follow our Society's Dictate not to report black crime. Done! But much harder to hide bodies. Ask me how I know.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute

    , @ic1000
    @Hypnotoad666

    > Crime stats are infinitely subject to manipulation in the way they are defined, collected, and reported.

    It only seems that way. For instance, when the Minneapolis Police Department informed residents and visitors, "Despite All Our Efforts, Robberies May Still Occur! Do Not Argue or Fight with the Criminal. Do as They Say. Your Safety Is Most Important!,"

    they made sure to add,

    “And after you are robbed or assaulted, be extra sure to come down to the precinct house to file a police report, because the accuracy of our non-murder crime statistics depends on timely reporting by victims like you, who we can not or will not protect.”

    Well, the MPD did say, “Be a good witness. When you call 911, be prepared to answer many questions.” Proving my point, the 538 reporters and you have nothing to worry about, when it comes to the sanctity of statistics.

    , @Sgt. Joe Friday
    @Hypnotoad666

    And cops in a lot of jurisdictions will discourage you from reporting a crime at all, especially the quality of life crimes and business break-ins where the loss is below a certain threshold. I have first hand experience with the latter, and ended up hiring a PI to get to the bottom of the matter. The PI was able to ID the employee responsible for the break-in, and I fired the guy.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    , @stillCARealist
    @Hypnotoad666

    It's the NextDoor app. I thought my area was crime-free, but then I started seeing all the posts on NextDoor about stuff being stolen, vandalism, graffiti, break-ins. It makes me feel rather unsafe.

    And, the homeless are thick in these parts, leaving trash and waste everywhere. Another friend's catalytic converter was stolen recently.

    There are no murders in my area, but the property crimes are rampant. I wonder how many of these actually get reported.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    , @Corvinus
    @Hypnotoad666

    "Exactly. Crime stats are infinitely subject to manipulation in the way they are defined, collected, and reported."

    So Mr. Sailer's reliance on them is unreliable? What about his interpretation? Is he not also subject to confirmation bias?

  6. @Hypnotoad666

    Keep you eye on the dead bodies.
     
    Exactly. Crime stats are infinitely subject to manipulation in the way they are defined, collected, and reported.

    For example, you can categorize stealing $950 or less as a mere misdemeanor that gets you a ticket instead of jail time. This causes actual thefts to skyrocket. But since the cops won't do anything, nobody bothers to call them for thefts anymore. So on paper, the crime rate goes down. In reality, it's way up.

    But counting up bodies with bullet holes leaves little room for manipulation. Assuming a relatively stable ratio between the number of murders and other violent crimes is thus probably the best way to estimate the overall real crime rate in the era of politicized fake statistics.

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @ic1000, @Sgt. Joe Friday, @stillCARealist, @Corvinus

    Right? It’s easy enough to follow our Society’s Dictate not to report black crime. Done! But much harder to hide bodies. Ask me how I know.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
    @Mr McKenna


    But much harder to hide bodies. Ask me how I know.
     
    Not really, but it can be a bit of an intelligence test and boldness test. For example, a decent wood chipper and ancillary supplies can be had for under $500 (cheaper than the gun). A shovel is even cheaper, but the IQ matters more since you’re leaving more evidence to potentially be found. On the other end is a boat which costs more, but a weighted load tossed overboard offshore in the ocean or Great Lakes is not coming back.

    Not that I have spent a great deal of time thinking about this or anything..

    It seems that the real trick is in choosing the bodies. It’s almost like whacking randoms doesn’t have much appeal, but it’s virtually impossible to avoid suspicion when your nagging land whale wife goes missing.

    Replies: @Rob McX

  7. Take the crime rate. In 2019, according to a survey conducted by Gallup, about 64 percent of Americans believed that there was more crime in the U.S. than there was a year ago.

    Since 2019 was “a year ago” that belief attributed to the 64% can’t be right, but of course the 64% didn’t actually believe that.

    That’s just what these idiot authors who can’t speak English *said* the 64% believed. A.D. 2018 wasn’t a year ago; it was a year before or a year earlier than 2019.

  8. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:

    This guy got tuned up on Oak street today in broad daylight.

    It’s the Chicago version of rodeo drive. Was out shopping for bling and someone must have dimed his whereabouts

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8594151/Chicago-rapper-FBG-Duck-26-shot-dead-brazen-broad-daylight-drive-by.html

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    @Anonymous

    Gang member carries out three drive-by shootings after being freed without bail

    Shortly after he was released in May, the suspect appeared in a hip-hop music video, uploaded to YouTube, for the song “Crime Rate” by Brooklyn Rapper BK Eaz.

    The video is an homage to rising crime in New York City in 2020.

    https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/08/1A6B6E54-5635-4FF9-88E5-D15BA446138B.jpeg

    Free at last, free at last. Thank God Almighty, free...

    , @Bartleby the Scrivner
    @Anonymous

    Hang on just a minute. Is that Mr. Duck doing the OK sign with his right hand in the Mail photo? I thought the OK sign was for signaling White Supremacy. I’m reasonably sure he’s African American. Is he pro White Supremacy?


    I’m so confused.....

  9. Feelings chicks are replacing Facts Man at fivethirtyeight.

    Amelia Thomson-DeVeaux has a master’s degree in religious studies. Maggie Koerth, apparently an “innovative science writer” studies journalism and anthropology.

    It is striking to me that, in a country that produces armies of STEM graduates, how few journalists covering science or quantitative matters actually have any relevant college-level education in either area. Dilettantes and self-styled expert science journalists abound.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    @PiltdownMan


    Amelia Thomson-DeVeaux has a master’s degree in religious studies. Maggie Koerth, apparently an “innovative science writer” studies journalism and anthropology.
     
    Well if those aren't ideal qualifications for analyzing crime statistics I don't know what is!

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/more-jobs-for-the-theys-ex-mrs-bezos-donates-1-7-billion-to-wokeness-intensification/#comment-4074424

    , @Unladen Swallow
    @PiltdownMan

    Why would that be surprising? Facts are the enemies of ideologues, because they have an independent existence. Journalists need to know want to think without bothersome facts getting in the way so they can tell you what to think.

    , @Bill Jones
    @PiltdownMan

    STEM courses, being reality based, are less historically reliable incubators of Wokism.

    But they're working on it.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @West reanimator
    @PiltdownMan


    It is striking to me that, in a country that produces armies of STEM graduates, how few journalists covering science or quantitative matters actually have any relevant college-level education in either area.
     
    It's not terribly hard to explain. Journalism is a declining career that pays poorly. Only the ideologues are trying to become journalists.
    , @mmack
    @PiltdownMan

    “It is difficult to get a woman to understand something, when her salary depends upon her not understanding it.”

    , @Jane Plain
    @PiltdownMan

    Look at the lower picture. Am I the only one who has noticed this closed-mouth smirk?

    Replies: @Diversity Inclusion Equality Youth Team, @anon

    , @Hamlet's Ghost
    @PiltdownMan

    Heck, they're just pikers compared to the Grand petite princess of Wokesterism:
    https://www.instagram.com/p/CC7--rDpl7P/

    She hasn't even graduated from high school, and she knows all about SCIENCE!

    Replies: @The Alarmist

  10. One very noticeably thing over the last generation, but particularly the last decade has been the decline of the not exactly “objectivity” but something like “non-totalitarian-ness” of the mainstream American press.

    The always had their establishment and “liberal”–i.e. Democrat–spin. But back in the 90s, even into the 00s, there was actually openness to contrary stories and data … they would just get the liberal “root causes” spin.

    In the last few years the establishment press organs are pretty much like Pravda. They just openly lie, up front, all the time. Like Chauvin killed George Floyd. It’s just a fact. Or “peaceful protests”.

    I increasingly feel like i’m living in a totalitarian country. More freedom at the individual level, with known like minded people. And they haven’t seized my retirement accounts–yet. But at the level of establishment media, it’s like living in the Soviet Union. If it was not for the internet allowing some contrary views this would be like Soviet Union.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    @AnotherDad


    But at the level of establishment media, it’s like living in the Soviet Union. If it was not for the internet allowing some contrary views this would be like Soviet Union.
     
    Or worse.

    AnonFromTN, a long-time commenter here, is an American academic in the sciences who grew up in the USSR and came here back in the 1990s. He's repeatedly stated that the American MSM is vastly more dishonest and uniform than anything he had ever experienced back in the Brezhnev Era, and probably only matched by Stalinism.

    I can't say whether that's correct, but it wouldn't surprise me.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @John Johnson, @Rob McX, @utu, @Chrisnonymous, @Bill Jones

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @AnotherDad

    Indeed. Imagine no Internet--Democrat lawmakers have said protester violence is a myth--we literally would not know what was really going on in our country right now. Likely, Trump would have been impeached long ago as a Russian agent if he had been able to get elected in the first place. Remember the fake National Guard letter that they pulled on Bush II? That was an early Internet catch if I remember. Who knows what more lies would be fed us if they could get away with it.

    On the other hand, I think it's very likely that without the Internet, much of the current insane identity politics and radicalization wouldn't have happened.

    Personally, I would probably still be reading NR and thinking of Steve Sailer as one of those purged racists along with Brimelow.

    , @Rob McX
    @AnotherDad


    If it was not for the internet allowing some contrary views this would be like Soviet Union.
     
    They're working on that.
    , @Dr. X
    @AnotherDad


    I increasingly feel like i’m living in a totalitarian country.
     
    That's because you are living in a totalitarian country. Tocqueville warned about the totalitarian possibilities of mass democracy way back in the 1830s.

    Of course, the country was founded as a republic of states, not as a democracy... but Lincoln fixed that.
  11. Works THE OTHER WAY for COVID-19.

    Death is banging on the doors everywhere (except if you have marked yours with the cross of blood by participating in a peaceful protest) although statistics (and even the rather unhelpful error-bar-less non-percentage, non-recovery-indicating, mixed & jumbled graphs by somewhat logically challenged Johns Hopkins U webmonkeys seem to tell another story).

    April 7: Ecuador’s Covid-19 catastrophe is man-made disaster — because for political elites ordinary Ecuadorians are just disposables

    Corpses line the streets of Ecuador’s city of Guayaquil, as it’s struggling to deal with the outbreak of Covid’19. But catastrophe could’ve been avoided had the political elites not put monied interest before the lives of people.

    2020-08: Ecuador officially has 88’000 cases, 5’800 deaths.

    It’s enough to make you a Holocaust revisionist.

    • Agree: Stan d Mute, Sollipsist
    • Replies: @Sollipsist
    @El Dato

    My actual first thought while reading this.

    Gotta give credit to the first person who realized that compiling and interpreting official statistics was infinitely more effective than just lying. They contributed more to our modern life than the discovery of fire or the wheel.

    And if you don't believe me, I'm sure there's a Pew report that will back me up on that...

  12. @PiltdownMan
    Feelings chicks are replacing Facts Man at fivethirtyeight.

    Amelia Thomson-DeVeaux has a master's degree in religious studies. Maggie Koerth, apparently an "innovative science writer" studies journalism and anthropology.

    It is striking to me that, in a country that produces armies of STEM graduates, how few journalists covering science or quantitative matters actually have any relevant college-level education in either area. Dilettantes and self-styled expert science journalists abound.

    https://i.imgur.com/odh0kd5.jpg


    https://i.imgur.com/M6uvSfL.jpg

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @Unladen Swallow, @Bill Jones, @West reanimator, @mmack, @Jane Plain, @Hamlet's Ghost

    Amelia Thomson-DeVeaux has a master’s degree in religious studies. Maggie Koerth, apparently an “innovative science writer” studies journalism and anthropology.

    Well if those aren’t ideal qualifications for analyzing crime statistics I don’t know what is!

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/more-jobs-for-the-theys-ex-mrs-bezos-donates-1-7-billion-to-wokeness-intensification/#comment-4074424

  13. The murder spike in big US cities, explained.

    Murders are up in big cities this summer. Here are seven possible reasons why.

    https://www.vox.com/2020/8/3/21334149/murders-crime-shootings-2020-coronavirus-pandemic

    • Replies: @NJ Transit Commuter
    @Clifford Brown

    Even Vox didn’t have the audacity to bury the lede. Less police was listed as the 2nd reason and less respect for police as 3rd.

  14. @AnotherDad
    One very noticeably thing over the last generation, but particularly the last decade has been the decline of the not exactly "objectivity" but something like "non-totalitarian-ness" of the mainstream American press.

    The always had their establishment and "liberal"--i.e. Democrat--spin. But back in the 90s, even into the 00s, there was actually openness to contrary stories and data ... they would just get the liberal "root causes" spin.

    In the last few years the establishment press organs are pretty much like Pravda. They just openly lie, up front, all the time. Like Chauvin killed George Floyd. It's just a fact. Or "peaceful protests".

    I increasingly feel like i'm living in a totalitarian country. More freedom at the individual level, with known like minded people. And they haven't seized my retirement accounts--yet. But at the level of establishment media, it's like living in the Soviet Union. If it was not for the internet allowing some contrary views this would be like Soviet Union.

    Replies: @Ron Unz, @Chrisnonymous, @Rob McX, @Dr. X

    But at the level of establishment media, it’s like living in the Soviet Union. If it was not for the internet allowing some contrary views this would be like Soviet Union.

    Or worse.

    AnonFromTN, a long-time commenter here, is an American academic in the sciences who grew up in the USSR and came here back in the 1990s. He’s repeatedly stated that the American MSM is vastly more dishonest and uniform than anything he had ever experienced back in the Brezhnev Era, and probably only matched by Stalinism.

    I can’t say whether that’s correct, but it wouldn’t surprise me.

    • Agree: JackOH
    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @Ron Unz


    repeatedly stated that the American MSM is vastly more dishonest and uniform than anything he had ever experienced back in the Brezhnev Era
     
    I wouldn't be surprised if that's true. If so, it's probably because the American media lacks the intelligence and discipline to be good propagandists.

    Good propaganda should be 85% factual and true, so that you have credibility for the really important 15% that is self-serving lies.

    But our MSM can't resist being 85% lies and spin, and only 15% facts.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt

    , @John Johnson
    @Ron Unz

    He’s repeatedly stated that the American MSM is vastly more dishonest and uniform than anything he had ever experienced back in the Brezhnev Era, and probably only matched by Stalinism.

    This wouldn't surprise me at all since Pravda published propaganda in defense of the state.

    The MSM is not on the defense but on the offense.

    They go out of their way to create stories that support a narrative.

    Another key difference is that the Russians knew that Pravda couldn't be trusted.

    About half of the US thinks it is wrong to call the MSM fake news.

    , @Rob McX
    @Ron Unz

    In today's America it may be easier to deceive people than it was in the Soviet Union. People in the USSR had more chance to contemplate the veracity or mendacity of what they were reading, because life was so monotonous in terms of news and entertainment. Today we're all living under a Niagara of news updates, tweets, Facebook posts, YouTube videos, blogs, etc. For someone who's not media savvy or doesn't have the time to study what's happening, it's hard to evaluate the content of the news. Despite this apparent anarchy, a relatively small number of media outlets still dominate news reporting, and big companies like Twitter are banning people every day

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    , @utu
    @Ron Unz

    "He’s repeatedly stated that the American MSM is vastly more dishonest and uniform than anything he had ever experienced back in the Brezhnev Era, and probably only matched by Stalinism." - Don't bee a fool. AnonFromTN is butt-hurt Russki Sovok who feels contempt for anything American and Western in general.

    Replies: @utu, @Matt Buckalew

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @Ron Unz

    It would make sense. In the Soviet Union, the regime was well-established, so the propaganda arm didn't have to help deal with active, out-in-the-open dissidents. In the USA, the regime still wields only partial power and still runs the risk of being dispossessed until they can get enough of their new people immigrated into the country. As a result, it is an all-hands 24/7 war to find Nazis to punch until they're silenced de jure.

    , @Bill Jones
    @Ron Unz

    Edward Bernays published "Propaganda" in 1925.
    Five years before Goebbels got the job in Germany.

  15. Take the crime rate. In 2019, according to a survey conducted by Gallup, about 64 percent of Americans believed that there was more crime in the U.S. than there was a year ago. It’s a belief we’ve consistently held for decades now, but as you can see in the chart below, we’ve been, just as consistently, very wrong.

    Okay, media genius…now transfer that hard, analytical, counter-intuitive, contradict-the-narrative approach to crime statistics to the killing of black males by white cops.

  16. anon[313] • Disclaimer says:

    Are they just counting on their audience to not notice all the thousands of looters and rioters and arsonists who just never actually get charged with crimes, so their crimes aren’t counted in the totals, or what?

    I’d say that they’re not fooling anyone, but I’m pretty sure they actually are.

    It’s pretty amazing that they’re so successful, really. It’s like the phenomenon where people in the media wring their hands and wonder where racism comes from, and it just never occurs to them to consider the possibility that it might actually come from the way black people actually act. It’s weird that it works, but it does.

  17. They just openly lie, up front, all the time. Like Chauvin killed George Floyd. It’s just a fact. Or “peaceful protests”.

    At some point everyone figured out that MSM stories leaned left by, say, 30% and that they had to be discounted accordingly. The MSM then had to skew their stories 60% to the left to get the same effect. Until people figured that out and adjusted accordingly . . . and so on.

    At this point the MSM has just just cranked its lying “to 11.” Even the leftists know it’s mostly lies, but it’s lies they want to hear.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    @Hypnotoad666


    Even the leftists know it’s mostly lies, but it’s lies they want to hear.
     
    You know a better class of leftist than I do. All of the ones that I know are True Believers. They don't even think they're leftists. They just think they're good people. And guess who's bad?
  18. Interesting to read this particular bit of misinformation from 538 in light of the fact that Coronavinus was peddling the exact same line not too many days ago. A paid squid-ink commenter got the official line before mainstream professionals?

    • Replies: @Thirdtwin
    @anon

    But 538 picked Trump to win in 2016, right? Oh, wait. No they did not. 538 just “Gave Trump A Better Chance Than Almost Anyone Else”.

    , @res
    @anon

    Less lead time for squid-ink comments than mainstream professional articles?

  19. @Ron Unz
    @AnotherDad


    But at the level of establishment media, it’s like living in the Soviet Union. If it was not for the internet allowing some contrary views this would be like Soviet Union.
     
    Or worse.

    AnonFromTN, a long-time commenter here, is an American academic in the sciences who grew up in the USSR and came here back in the 1990s. He's repeatedly stated that the American MSM is vastly more dishonest and uniform than anything he had ever experienced back in the Brezhnev Era, and probably only matched by Stalinism.

    I can't say whether that's correct, but it wouldn't surprise me.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @John Johnson, @Rob McX, @utu, @Chrisnonymous, @Bill Jones

    repeatedly stated that the American MSM is vastly more dishonest and uniform than anything he had ever experienced back in the Brezhnev Era

    I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s true. If so, it’s probably because the American media lacks the intelligence and discipline to be good propagandists.

    Good propaganda should be 85% factual and true, so that you have credibility for the really important 15% that is self-serving lies.

    But our MSM can’t resist being 85% lies and spin, and only 15% facts.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    @Hypnotoad666

    https://www.unqualified-reservations.org/2013/03/jacques-ellul-on-demand-for-propaganda/


    The idea that propaganda consists of lies (which makes it harmless and even a little ridiculous in the eyes of the public) is still maintained by some specialists; for example, Frederick C. Irion gives it as the basic trait in his definition of propaganda. But it is certainly not so. For a long time propagandists have recognized that lying must be avoided. “In propaganda, truth pays off”—this formula has been increasingly accepted. Lenin proclaimed it. And alongside Hitler’s statement on lying one must place Goebbels’ insistence that facts to be disseminated must be accurate.(*)

    How can we explain this contradiction? It seems that in propaganda we must make a radical distinction between a fact on the one hand and intentions or interpretations on the other; in brief, between the material and moral elements. The truth that pays off is in the realm of facts. The necessary falsehoods, which also pay off, are in the realm of intentions and interpretations.

    ...

    *—This idea is now generally accepted. In the United States it is the Number One rule in propaganda manuals, except for unbelievable and harmful truths, about which it is better to remain silent. SHAEF said in its manual: “When there is no compelling reason to suppress a fact, tell it… Aside from considerations of military security, the only reason to suppress a piece of news is if it is unbelievable… When the listener catches you in a lie, your power diminishes… For this reason, never tell a lie which can be discovered.” As far back as 1940 the American psychological services already had orders to tell the truth; in carrying them out, for example, they distributed the same newspapers to American and German soldiers. In the Communist bloc we find exactly the same attitude: Mao has always been very careful to state the facts exactly, including bad news. On the basis of Lenin’s general theory of information, it is incorrect that the dissemination of false news does not create problems. French propagandists also have discovered that truthfulness is effective, and that it is better to spread a piece of bad news oneself than to wait until it is revealed by others.

    There remains the problem of Goebbels’ reputation. He wore the title of Big Liar (bestowed by Anglo-Saxon propaganda) and yet he never stopped battling for propaganda to be as accurate as possible. He preferred being cynical and brutal to being caught in a lie. He used to say: “Everybody must know what the situation is.” He was always the first to announce disastrous events or difficult situations, without hiding anything.

    The result was a general belief, between 1939 and 1942, that German communiques were not only more concise, clearer, and less cluttered, but were more truthful than Allied communiques (American and neutral opinion)—and, furthermore, that the Germans published all the news two or three days before the Allies. All this is so true that pinning the title of Big Liar on Goebbels must be considered quite a propaganda success.
     
    Spin is where the lies are, and there only by misdirection, not actual lying. According to Ellul, and the experts, if you're lying, you're not engaging in effective propaganda.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  20. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:

    Speaking of crime, this unintentionally comic video answers the rarely asked question of why there aren’t more BLM riots in Mexico. Turns out working Mexicans don’t like petty criminals.

    WARNING: If you are repulsed by idea of a concerned Mexican citizen literally sticking his foot up a criminal’s bare ass, this video… may not be for you:

    • Replies: @Skylark Thibedeau
    @Anonymous

    Could be too that when Mexico and Argentina freed their African slaves they didn't set up freedman bureaus but just let them starve.

    Replies: @anon

    , @anon
    @Anonymous

    Speaking of crime, this unintentionally comic video answers the rarely asked question of why there aren’t more BLM riots in Mexico.

    Dude, there's no OBLM because there are hardly any black people in Mexico except for a few along the Gulf coast and illegals from Africa. Plus nobody in Mexico really expects cops to act with anything like the self control of American cops. In this vid you can hear the word "madre" a whole lot, but unlike Saint George Fentanyl nobody is "calling for his mother", lol, especially when it's strung together with "¡Eicho de puta!"...lol.

    In other words, Mexico isn't the US. Well, duh.

  21. Anonymous[143] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: Team Trump had to withdraw their FCC nominee today because the nominee wasn’t actually on the team.

    HAHAHAAA. Ooof.

    So in the WH they are still working on the whole “vetting” concept.

    Biggest mistake Trump ever made was choosing Javanka over Bannon. Listen to Bannon show. Obvious why Trump hired him 2016. Bannon is the element that the rudderless white house is missing. Bannon was the rudder and the navigator.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    @Anonymous


    Biggest mistake Trump ever made was choosing Javanka over Bannon.
     
    It's technically true, but also irrelevant because Trump doesn't actually care about Bannonism, he only cares about the Trump brand. There is no world where Trump would have chosen Bannon over his own family. It's like saying Obama's biggest mistake was not appointing more white Republicans to the Supreme Court.

    It was obvious Trump was a grifter in 1987, 1995, 2015 and still obvious today.

    The real question is why do so many conservatives, especially evangelicals, follow obvious frauds and hypocrites like Trump, Fallwell Jr, or Limbaugh?

    To be fair liberals follow and give money to obvious frauds like the SPLC guy, Sharpton, and Bill Clinton so maybe people are just desperate for leadership.
  22. @Clifford Brown

    The murder spike in big US cities, explained.

    Murders are up in big cities this summer. Here are seven possible reasons why.
     
    https://www.vox.com/2020/8/3/21334149/murders-crime-shootings-2020-coronavirus-pandemic

    Replies: @NJ Transit Commuter

    Even Vox didn’t have the audacity to bury the lede. Less police was listed as the 2nd reason and less respect for police as 3rd.

  23. @Hypnotoad666

    They just openly lie, up front, all the time. Like Chauvin killed George Floyd. It’s just a fact. Or “peaceful protests”.
     
    At some point everyone figured out that MSM stories leaned left by, say, 30% and that they had to be discounted accordingly. The MSM then had to skew their stories 60% to the left to get the same effect. Until people figured that out and adjusted accordingly . . . and so on.

    At this point the MSM has just just cranked its lying "to 11." Even the leftists know it's mostly lies, but it's lies they want to hear.

    Replies: @Mr McKenna

    Even the leftists know it’s mostly lies, but it’s lies they want to hear.

    You know a better class of leftist than I do. All of the ones that I know are True Believers. They don’t even think they’re leftists. They just think they’re good people. And guess who’s bad?

  24. To put murder totals in perspective:

    To put murder rates in perspective:

    Yes, in 1998, Vatican City had quintuple the homicide rate of the second-most dangerous country. The head of the Swiss Guards and his wife were murdered, and that’s all it took.

    However, VC is not only not the world’s smallest country by area, it’s not even the smallest within the city of Rome.

    Who Are the Knights of Malta — and What Do They Want?

    As for Brazil, similar to the US South, and big cities elsewhere, the problem doesn’t stem from new diversity, but from the old diversity.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Reg Cæsar


    Yes, in 1998, Vatican City had quintuple the homicide rate of the second-most dangerous country.
     
    You should keep those stats to yourself, or you'll be reading "Detroit Safer Than Vatican City" every time there's a media debate on crime.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  25. @AnotherDad
    One very noticeably thing over the last generation, but particularly the last decade has been the decline of the not exactly "objectivity" but something like "non-totalitarian-ness" of the mainstream American press.

    The always had their establishment and "liberal"--i.e. Democrat--spin. But back in the 90s, even into the 00s, there was actually openness to contrary stories and data ... they would just get the liberal "root causes" spin.

    In the last few years the establishment press organs are pretty much like Pravda. They just openly lie, up front, all the time. Like Chauvin killed George Floyd. It's just a fact. Or "peaceful protests".

    I increasingly feel like i'm living in a totalitarian country. More freedom at the individual level, with known like minded people. And they haven't seized my retirement accounts--yet. But at the level of establishment media, it's like living in the Soviet Union. If it was not for the internet allowing some contrary views this would be like Soviet Union.

    Replies: @Ron Unz, @Chrisnonymous, @Rob McX, @Dr. X

    Indeed. Imagine no Internet–Democrat lawmakers have said protester violence is a myth–we literally would not know what was really going on in our country right now. Likely, Trump would have been impeached long ago as a Russian agent if he had been able to get elected in the first place. Remember the fake National Guard letter that they pulled on Bush II? That was an early Internet catch if I remember. Who knows what more lies would be fed us if they could get away with it.

    On the other hand, I think it’s very likely that without the Internet, much of the current insane identity politics and radicalization wouldn’t have happened.

    Personally, I would probably still be reading NR and thinking of Steve Sailer as one of those purged racists along with Brimelow.

  26. @Anonymous
    This guy got tuned up on Oak street today in broad daylight.

    It's the Chicago version of rodeo drive. Was out shopping for bling and someone must have dimed his whereabouts


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8594151/Chicago-rapper-FBG-Duck-26-shot-dead-brazen-broad-daylight-drive-by.html

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @Bartleby the Scrivner

    Gang member carries out three drive-by shootings after being freed without bail

    Shortly after he was released in May, the suspect appeared in a hip-hop music video, uploaded to YouTube, for the song “Crime Rate” by Brooklyn Rapper BK Eaz.

    The video is an homage to rising crime in New York City in 2020.

    Free at last, free at last. Thank God Almighty, free…

  27. @AnotherDad
    One very noticeably thing over the last generation, but particularly the last decade has been the decline of the not exactly "objectivity" but something like "non-totalitarian-ness" of the mainstream American press.

    The always had their establishment and "liberal"--i.e. Democrat--spin. But back in the 90s, even into the 00s, there was actually openness to contrary stories and data ... they would just get the liberal "root causes" spin.

    In the last few years the establishment press organs are pretty much like Pravda. They just openly lie, up front, all the time. Like Chauvin killed George Floyd. It's just a fact. Or "peaceful protests".

    I increasingly feel like i'm living in a totalitarian country. More freedom at the individual level, with known like minded people. And they haven't seized my retirement accounts--yet. But at the level of establishment media, it's like living in the Soviet Union. If it was not for the internet allowing some contrary views this would be like Soviet Union.

    Replies: @Ron Unz, @Chrisnonymous, @Rob McX, @Dr. X

    If it was not for the internet allowing some contrary views this would be like Soviet Union.

    They’re working on that.

    • Agree: Hibernian
  28. @Ron Unz
    @AnotherDad


    But at the level of establishment media, it’s like living in the Soviet Union. If it was not for the internet allowing some contrary views this would be like Soviet Union.
     
    Or worse.

    AnonFromTN, a long-time commenter here, is an American academic in the sciences who grew up in the USSR and came here back in the 1990s. He's repeatedly stated that the American MSM is vastly more dishonest and uniform than anything he had ever experienced back in the Brezhnev Era, and probably only matched by Stalinism.

    I can't say whether that's correct, but it wouldn't surprise me.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @John Johnson, @Rob McX, @utu, @Chrisnonymous, @Bill Jones

    He’s repeatedly stated that the American MSM is vastly more dishonest and uniform than anything he had ever experienced back in the Brezhnev Era, and probably only matched by Stalinism.

    This wouldn’t surprise me at all since Pravda published propaganda in defense of the state.

    The MSM is not on the defense but on the offense.

    They go out of their way to create stories that support a narrative.

    Another key difference is that the Russians knew that Pravda couldn’t be trusted.

    About half of the US thinks it is wrong to call the MSM fake news.

  29. @Reg Cæsar
    To put murder totals in perspective:


    http://metrocosm.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/homicides-by-country.jpg

    To put murder rates in perspective:


    https://preview.redd.it/658jcuy0kru41.png?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=6fe1f254eced063f2586dd7c6af9435b0db35e80

    Yes, in 1998, Vatican City had quintuple the homicide rate of the second-most dangerous country. The head of the Swiss Guards and his wife were murdered, and that's all it took.

    However, VC is not only not the world's smallest country by area, it's not even the smallest within the city of Rome.


    Who Are the Knights of Malta — and What Do They Want?


    As for Brazil, similar to the US South, and big cities elsewhere, the problem doesn't stem from new diversity, but from the old diversity.

    Replies: @Rob McX

    Yes, in 1998, Vatican City had quintuple the homicide rate of the second-most dangerous country.

    You should keep those stats to yourself, or you’ll be reading “Detroit Safer Than Vatican City” every time there’s a media debate on crime.

    • Thanks: Hibernian
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Rob McX


    You should keep those stats to yourself, or you’ll be reading “Detroit Safer Than Vatican City” every time there’s a media debate on crime.
     
    Vatican City has the highest crime rate in the world. It derives almost entirely from picking the pockets of the five million annual visitors.
  30. @Ron Unz
    @AnotherDad


    But at the level of establishment media, it’s like living in the Soviet Union. If it was not for the internet allowing some contrary views this would be like Soviet Union.
     
    Or worse.

    AnonFromTN, a long-time commenter here, is an American academic in the sciences who grew up in the USSR and came here back in the 1990s. He's repeatedly stated that the American MSM is vastly more dishonest and uniform than anything he had ever experienced back in the Brezhnev Era, and probably only matched by Stalinism.

    I can't say whether that's correct, but it wouldn't surprise me.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @John Johnson, @Rob McX, @utu, @Chrisnonymous, @Bill Jones

    In today’s America it may be easier to deceive people than it was in the Soviet Union. People in the USSR had more chance to contemplate the veracity or mendacity of what they were reading, because life was so monotonous in terms of news and entertainment. Today we’re all living under a Niagara of news updates, tweets, Facebook posts, YouTube videos, blogs, etc. For someone who’s not media savvy or doesn’t have the time to study what’s happening, it’s hard to evaluate the content of the news. Despite this apparent anarchy, a relatively small number of media outlets still dominate news reporting, and big companies like Twitter are banning people every day

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Rob McX


    For someone who’s not media savvy or doesn’t have the time to study what’s happening, it’s hard to evaluate the content of the news. Despite this apparent anarchy, a relatively small number of media outlets still dominate news reporting.

     

    Yes, this is a good point. The early, naive thinking about the Internet was that opening up the sources of information would lead to a kind of 'truth market' in which the best reporting and ideas would win out. But most people don't have the capacities needed to engage in the sifting and sorting and comparing and evaluating this requires.

    Therefore, more information --> more confusion for a substantial proportion of viewers.

    More confusion --> more desire for someone else to 'curate' information and feed it to you.

    Result: in some ways, increased power/authority for 'trusted brand names' such as the NYT and BBC, even as they face far more 'competition'.

    And because unsophisticated media consumers aren't confident enough to stand athwart the great stream of The Narrative and shout 'Bullshit!', they defer to these brand names even more eagerly, and are even more likely to be true believers, because they think they've actually done some 'critical thinking' by checking out what they've heard against these media authorities. It's pernicious.

    An analogy from higher education helps here. As the number of unversity places increases, the pressure on students should decrease, as it's easier than ever to get a place at a university that's 'right for you'. But the vast and varied landscape of higher ed obfuscates and degrades the value of an 'ordinary' degree, so the 'trusted brand names' again rise to the top, and are more firmly in command than ever.

  31. @PiltdownMan
    Feelings chicks are replacing Facts Man at fivethirtyeight.

    Amelia Thomson-DeVeaux has a master's degree in religious studies. Maggie Koerth, apparently an "innovative science writer" studies journalism and anthropology.

    It is striking to me that, in a country that produces armies of STEM graduates, how few journalists covering science or quantitative matters actually have any relevant college-level education in either area. Dilettantes and self-styled expert science journalists abound.

    https://i.imgur.com/odh0kd5.jpg


    https://i.imgur.com/M6uvSfL.jpg

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @Unladen Swallow, @Bill Jones, @West reanimator, @mmack, @Jane Plain, @Hamlet's Ghost

    Why would that be surprising? Facts are the enemies of ideologues, because they have an independent existence. Journalists need to know want to think without bothersome facts getting in the way so they can tell you what to think.

  32. @Ron Unz
    @AnotherDad


    But at the level of establishment media, it’s like living in the Soviet Union. If it was not for the internet allowing some contrary views this would be like Soviet Union.
     
    Or worse.

    AnonFromTN, a long-time commenter here, is an American academic in the sciences who grew up in the USSR and came here back in the 1990s. He's repeatedly stated that the American MSM is vastly more dishonest and uniform than anything he had ever experienced back in the Brezhnev Era, and probably only matched by Stalinism.

    I can't say whether that's correct, but it wouldn't surprise me.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @John Johnson, @Rob McX, @utu, @Chrisnonymous, @Bill Jones

    “He’s repeatedly stated that the American MSM is vastly more dishonest and uniform than anything he had ever experienced back in the Brezhnev Era, and probably only matched by Stalinism.” – Don’t bee a fool. AnonFromTN is butt-hurt Russki Sovok who feels contempt for anything American and Western in general.

    • Replies: @utu
    @utu

    Crime statistics were no even published in USSR.

    "CRIME IN THE SOVIET UNION" by W. E. BUTLER in Brit. J. Criminol. Vo;. 22, No. 2, Spring 1992

    "In late 19[80] the Soviet Union published official statistics on crime for the first time in six decades."

    "In 1961 the national scheme for reporting crime was unified and tightened. Law students were introduced more systematically to the mysteries of forensic statistics through a course and textbooks bearing that name—but without actual figures, of course. Very occasionally hard figures on crime did appear, selectively and highly localized, in the professional literature."

    , @Matt Buckalew
    @utu

    Exactly. Never mind that Unz is a wiling collaborator with Cathedral propoganda when it supports flooding the US with Olemec peasants.

  33. New York’s wealthy Upper East Side reports a shocking 286% increase in robberies – with armed gunmen holding up residents just feet from the homes of billionaires

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8593033/New-Yorks-wealthy-Upper-East-Sides-reports-shocking-286-increase-robberies.html

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @utu


    New York’s wealthy Upper East Side reports a shocking 286% increase in robberies – with armed gunmen holding up residents just feet from the homes of billionaires
     
    I love it when I’m right. When the BLM riots got into full swing, I said it was time to move out of NYC if you value your life. NYPD are extremely tight, and if you piss them off, they have ways of making you sorry. Currently, it’s by dragging their feet to police calls, and decidedly lacking the initiative to solve violent crime cases. Finding any reason to go on disability, to sit this shit out. The upper east side always enjoyed higher quality police protection. Apparently, for the first time, not anymore. Doesn’t portend well for what’s next. If the upper east side isn’t safe, no place on that island is safe.

    The recent kabuki theater show in front of Trump Tower should have been a wake up call to New Yorkers of what to expect if they didn’t knock their shit off. Watch an officer earn himself a paid vacation. Beats getting stuck for standing in the hot sun in front of Trump tower all day, dealing with BLM psychos. More shit will go down, with the NYPD scratching their heads in mock puzzlement:

    https://youtu.be/-LhJLNfGdgU
    , @Redneck farmer
    @utu

    If they voted for Mayor Wilhelm, they deserve it.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    , @ic1000
    @utu

    > The Upper East Side reports a 286% increase in robberies

    OK then. In 2020, murder has been up but other crimes are in decline, except for Upper East Side robberies (and as we pointed out, statistics fluctuate from year to year).

    Fixed.

  34. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @utu
    New York's wealthy Upper East Side reports a shocking 286% increase in robberies - with armed gunmen holding up residents just feet from the homes of billionaires

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8593033/New-Yorks-wealthy-Upper-East-Sides-reports-shocking-286-increase-robberies.html

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Redneck farmer, @ic1000

    New York’s wealthy Upper East Side reports a shocking 286% increase in robberies – with armed gunmen holding up residents just feet from the homes of billionaires

    I love it when I’m right. When the BLM riots got into full swing, I said it was time to move out of NYC if you value your life. NYPD are extremely tight, and if you piss them off, they have ways of making you sorry. Currently, it’s by dragging their feet to police calls, and decidedly lacking the initiative to solve violent crime cases. Finding any reason to go on disability, to sit this shit out. The upper east side always enjoyed higher quality police protection. Apparently, for the first time, not anymore. Doesn’t portend well for what’s next. If the upper east side isn’t safe, no place on that island is safe.

    The recent kabuki theater show in front of Trump Tower should have been a wake up call to New Yorkers of what to expect if they didn’t knock their shit off. Watch an officer earn himself a paid vacation. Beats getting stuck for standing in the hot sun in front of Trump tower all day, dealing with BLM psychos. More shit will go down, with the NYPD scratching their heads in mock puzzlement:

  35. @utu
    New York's wealthy Upper East Side reports a shocking 286% increase in robberies - with armed gunmen holding up residents just feet from the homes of billionaires

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8593033/New-Yorks-wealthy-Upper-East-Sides-reports-shocking-286-increase-robberies.html

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Redneck farmer, @ic1000

    If they voted for Mayor Wilhelm, they deserve it.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Redneck farmer


    If they voted for Mayor Wilhelm, they deserve it.
     
    Only about 16% of eligible NYC voters bothered to vote.
  36. @utu
    New York's wealthy Upper East Side reports a shocking 286% increase in robberies - with armed gunmen holding up residents just feet from the homes of billionaires

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8593033/New-Yorks-wealthy-Upper-East-Sides-reports-shocking-286-increase-robberies.html

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Redneck farmer, @ic1000

    > The Upper East Side reports a 286% increase in robberies

    OK then. In 2020, murder has been up but other crimes are in decline, except for Upper East Side robberies (and as we pointed out, statistics fluctuate from year to year).

    Fixed.

  37. My lying eyes would tell me there is no evidence at all crime is rising. Not seeing it personally, no anecdotal evidence from my friends. I remember what the 1970s were like and we are a long way from that. Only Fox News seems aware of this surge.

    Of course Steve pulled this same alarmist nonsense in the late Obama years. That made political sense at least. Harping on crime and chaos when the GOP controls the Executive Branch and the Senate (and most Police are very conservative already) doesn‘t seem like we have much of an alternative other than hoping Biden is a pragmatic centrist, or dissolving the union.

    • Replies: @ic1000
    @Peter Akuleyev

    > Not seeing [rising crime] personally, no anecdotal evidence from my friends.

    Actually, here in Rust Belt City suburb & city, my personal experience is the same. Compared to a year ago, the safer places still seem generally safe, and the more dangerous places still seem generally higher-risk.

    But an increment of one robbery, assault, or home invasion among my circle of friends could change that.

    I’m not sure that I’d base a confident declaration of Non-Rising/Rising Crime Rates on that anecdotal perception.

    , @TWS
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Yeah sure, I'm watching massive crime every night in the news but your personal anecdotal information is so compelling.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev

    , @anon
    @Peter Akuleyev

    My lying eyes would tell me there is no evidence at all crime is rising. Not seeing it personally, no anecdotal evidence from my friends.

    Is it that you didn't notice all the arson in various cities, or that you don't regard arson as a crime?

  38. Rather uncalled for. Pradheep Shanker is a harmlessly anodyne conservative.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @IHTG

    So?

  39. @John Johnson
    So 548 is trying to cozy up with the establishment.

    That's cute.

    I'm guessing that blogging about political stats doesn't pay well and Nate wants a full time job at CNN.

    “All the homicides in Chicago occur in about 8 percent of the city’s census tracts,”

    Census tracks? Is that what we are calling Black areas?

    And a recent study suggests that Trump’s words could have an effect.

    Trump is to blame. Definitely pushing for a cushy CNN or MSNBC position.

    The trouble is that fear about crime isn’t rational, and it’s hard to convince people to think differently about a problem that they don’t experience on a day-to-day basis anyway.

    So this isn't a rational concern?
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-york-city-shootings-rose-177percent-in-july-data-shows/ar-BB17yxRZ

    Next up 538 will blog about how guns make you less safe and without any breakdown by race.

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

    “Next up 538 will blog about how guns make you less safe and without any breakdown by race.”

    It’s already in there, though just as a drive-by remark. I’m sure you’re right, and they’ll devote a whole campaign to that lie.

  40. 538 should change their name to 420.

  41. @Bugg
    As they say at NYPD Compstat meetings; you cannot hide a bullet-ridden body. What they don't say but know; burglary can always be downgraded to "lost property" and robbery to "petit larceny", and presto, you felony offenses are reduced.

    Replies: @Cortes, @Buffalo Joe

    Interesting how crime can be disguised.

    OT, I noticed that the names of the mother and brother of St George Floyd are “Larcenia” and “Philonise”.

    No, really.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Cortes

    OT, I noticed that the names of the mother and brother of St George Floyd are “Larcenia” and “Philonise”.

    Eat your heart out Evelyn Waugh.

  42. @Ron Unz
    @AnotherDad


    But at the level of establishment media, it’s like living in the Soviet Union. If it was not for the internet allowing some contrary views this would be like Soviet Union.
     
    Or worse.

    AnonFromTN, a long-time commenter here, is an American academic in the sciences who grew up in the USSR and came here back in the 1990s. He's repeatedly stated that the American MSM is vastly more dishonest and uniform than anything he had ever experienced back in the Brezhnev Era, and probably only matched by Stalinism.

    I can't say whether that's correct, but it wouldn't surprise me.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @John Johnson, @Rob McX, @utu, @Chrisnonymous, @Bill Jones

    It would make sense. In the Soviet Union, the regime was well-established, so the propaganda arm didn’t have to help deal with active, out-in-the-open dissidents. In the USA, the regime still wields only partial power and still runs the risk of being dispossessed until they can get enough of their new people immigrated into the country. As a result, it is an all-hands 24/7 war to find Nazis to punch until they’re silenced de jure.

  43. @Hypnotoad666

    Keep you eye on the dead bodies.
     
    Exactly. Crime stats are infinitely subject to manipulation in the way they are defined, collected, and reported.

    For example, you can categorize stealing $950 or less as a mere misdemeanor that gets you a ticket instead of jail time. This causes actual thefts to skyrocket. But since the cops won't do anything, nobody bothers to call them for thefts anymore. So on paper, the crime rate goes down. In reality, it's way up.

    But counting up bodies with bullet holes leaves little room for manipulation. Assuming a relatively stable ratio between the number of murders and other violent crimes is thus probably the best way to estimate the overall real crime rate in the era of politicized fake statistics.

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @ic1000, @Sgt. Joe Friday, @stillCARealist, @Corvinus

    > Crime stats are infinitely subject to manipulation in the way they are defined, collected, and reported.

    It only seems that way. For instance, when the Minneapolis Police Department informed residents and visitors, “Despite All Our Efforts, Robberies May Still Occur! Do Not Argue or Fight with the Criminal. Do as They Say. Your Safety Is Most Important!,”

    they made sure to add,

    “And after you are robbed or assaulted, be extra sure to come down to the precinct house to file a police report, because the accuracy of our non-murder crime statistics depends on timely reporting by victims like you, who we can not or will not protect.”

    Well, the MPD did say, “Be a good witness. When you call 911, be prepared to answer many questions.” Proving my point, the 538 reporters and you have nothing to worry about, when it comes to the sanctity of statistics.

  44. We can thank CoronaFraud for one thing – it has been enormously revelational of character. Tens of millions of Americans have bowed down in abject fear and cringing servility, and along the way, two giant neon signs now point brightly at their heads:

    One says “sniveling coward” and the other says “low grade moron”.

    What, you don’t see the signs labeling your character? I see them, and more to the point, every bad person on the planet sees them. The low level burglar down the road from you sees them, and plans accordingly. The Gang-banger or other slightly more organized criminal sees them, and plans accordingly. The serial rapist or murderer sees them, and accepts the gift from Satan accordingly. The Medical filth, who will clearly do anything if the money is right, sees the signs, and exploits you with casual amusement. And Satan’s true minions in the world, the Oligarchs and those who serve them, (and cannot believe how easy this has been) glorify in making Slaves of you pathetic Degenerates.

    Crime is going up? Welcome to Hell shit-eaters. It is where you belong.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @theMann

    Ron needs to add a 'Sad but True' button.

  45. @utu
    @Ron Unz

    "He’s repeatedly stated that the American MSM is vastly more dishonest and uniform than anything he had ever experienced back in the Brezhnev Era, and probably only matched by Stalinism." - Don't bee a fool. AnonFromTN is butt-hurt Russki Sovok who feels contempt for anything American and Western in general.

    Replies: @utu, @Matt Buckalew

    Crime statistics were no even published in USSR.

    “CRIME IN THE SOVIET UNION” by W. E. BUTLER in Brit. J. Criminol. Vo;. 22, No. 2, Spring 1992

    “In late 19[80] the Soviet Union published official statistics on crime for the first time in six decades.”

    “In 1961 the national scheme for reporting crime was unified and tightened. Law students were introduced more systematically to the mysteries of forensic statistics through a course and textbooks bearing that name—but without actual figures, of course. Very occasionally hard figures on crime did appear, selectively and highly localized, in the professional literature.”

  46. @Anonymous
    OT: Team Trump had to withdraw their FCC nominee today because the nominee wasn't actually on the team.

    HAHAHAAA. Ooof.

    So in the WH they are still working on the whole "vetting" concept.

    Biggest mistake Trump ever made was choosing Javanka over Bannon. Listen to Bannon show. Obvious why Trump hired him 2016. Bannon is the element that the rudderless white house is missing. Bannon was the rudder and the navigator.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev

    Biggest mistake Trump ever made was choosing Javanka over Bannon.

    It’s technically true, but also irrelevant because Trump doesn’t actually care about Bannonism, he only cares about the Trump brand. There is no world where Trump would have chosen Bannon over his own family. It’s like saying Obama’s biggest mistake was not appointing more white Republicans to the Supreme Court.

    It was obvious Trump was a grifter in 1987, 1995, 2015 and still obvious today.

    The real question is why do so many conservatives, especially evangelicals, follow obvious frauds and hypocrites like Trump, Fallwell Jr, or Limbaugh?

    To be fair liberals follow and give money to obvious frauds like the SPLC guy, Sharpton, and Bill Clinton so maybe people are just desperate for leadership.

  47. @Rob McX
    @Ron Unz

    In today's America it may be easier to deceive people than it was in the Soviet Union. People in the USSR had more chance to contemplate the veracity or mendacity of what they were reading, because life was so monotonous in terms of news and entertainment. Today we're all living under a Niagara of news updates, tweets, Facebook posts, YouTube videos, blogs, etc. For someone who's not media savvy or doesn't have the time to study what's happening, it's hard to evaluate the content of the news. Despite this apparent anarchy, a relatively small number of media outlets still dominate news reporting, and big companies like Twitter are banning people every day

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    For someone who’s not media savvy or doesn’t have the time to study what’s happening, it’s hard to evaluate the content of the news. Despite this apparent anarchy, a relatively small number of media outlets still dominate news reporting.

    Yes, this is a good point. The early, naive thinking about the Internet was that opening up the sources of information would lead to a kind of ‘truth market’ in which the best reporting and ideas would win out. But most people don’t have the capacities needed to engage in the sifting and sorting and comparing and evaluating this requires.

    Therefore, more information –> more confusion for a substantial proportion of viewers.

    More confusion –> more desire for someone else to ‘curate’ information and feed it to you.

    Result: in some ways, increased power/authority for ‘trusted brand names’ such as the NYT and BBC, even as they face far more ‘competition’.

    And because unsophisticated media consumers aren’t confident enough to stand athwart the great stream of The Narrative and shout ‘Bullshit!’, they defer to these brand names even more eagerly, and are even more likely to be true believers, because they think they’ve actually done some ‘critical thinking’ by checking out what they’ve heard against these media authorities. It’s pernicious.

    An analogy from higher education helps here. As the number of unversity places increases, the pressure on students should decrease, as it’s easier than ever to get a place at a university that’s ‘right for you’. But the vast and varied landscape of higher ed obfuscates and degrades the value of an ‘ordinary’ degree, so the ‘trusted brand names’ again rise to the top, and are more firmly in command than ever.

  48. @Peter Akuleyev
    My lying eyes would tell me there is no evidence at all crime is rising. Not seeing it personally, no anecdotal evidence from my friends. I remember what the 1970s were like and we are a long way from that. Only Fox News seems aware of this surge.

    Of course Steve pulled this same alarmist nonsense in the late Obama years. That made political sense at least. Harping on crime and chaos when the GOP controls the Executive Branch and the Senate (and most Police are very conservative already) doesn‘t seem like we have much of an alternative other than hoping Biden is a pragmatic centrist, or dissolving the union.

    Replies: @ic1000, @TWS, @anon

    > Not seeing [rising crime] personally, no anecdotal evidence from my friends.

    Actually, here in Rust Belt City suburb & city, my personal experience is the same. Compared to a year ago, the safer places still seem generally safe, and the more dangerous places still seem generally higher-risk.

    But an increment of one robbery, assault, or home invasion among my circle of friends could change that.

    I’m not sure that I’d base a confident declaration of Non-Rising/Rising Crime Rates on that anecdotal perception.

  49. “In 2020, for example, murder has been up but other crimes are in decline so that the crime rate, overall, is down.”

    That assertion may be possible in some parallel universe, but as a practical matter, it’s an impossibility.

    Murder is the king of chaos. Gang rub-outs notwithstanding (which are themselves more often than not part of drug gang turf wars), murder is often an accompaniment to rape, robbery, burglary, carjacking, kidnapping, etc.

    And as Steve noted, the notion that crime is down in 2020, is ridiculous.

    These mopes can’t even keep their lies straight. Early on, when discussing Whites, whom they of course deride as paranoid, they assert that it is racist to believe that an area with more black males (stereotyping) could have a lower crime rate than one without them, but pull a complete switcheroo later on, when discussing blacks’ fears, which they treat with great respect, including acknowledging that blacks suffer more from crime.

    This “thing” (to avoid using an obscenity) is part of a tradition of fraud. About 30 years ago, I read an article or book by some academic “expert” that asserted that Whites during the 1970s, were paranoid about crime, when “actually” crime was down. Never mind that there was a crime explosion during the 1970s.

    Note that they cite the Huffington Post as a source at least twice.

    Such lying garbage serves more than one purpose. It permits the content-providers to virtue signal while presumably being paid, it helps wage a genocidal race and class war against middle and lower-class whites, and it seeks to break the will of those opposed to White genocide, by telling them, “Resistance is futile.”

    They do permit comments so far, though nothing remained, when I just checked.

    • Agree: TWS, HammerJack
  50. “When you take away the murders, Washington actually has a very low crime rate.”

    h/t the incomparable Marion Barry

  51. Lockdown is having some strange effects on crime.

    https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/18620366.man-pleads-guilty-sex-chickens/

    A man has admitted having sexual intercourse with chickens.

    Rehan and Haleema Baig, of Shepherd Street, Great Horton, appeared before Bradford Crown Court today to face the charges.

    He admitted possessing extreme pornographic images which were “grossly offensive, disgusting or otherwise of an obscene nature” which portrayed in an “explicit and realistic way” a person performing an act of intercourse with an unknown animal, a dog and several chickens.

    He also pleaded guilty to making indecent photographs of children, as well as the possession of 405mg of cocaine and 4.07g of cannabis resin.

    His wife, 37, was also charged with the same counts of possession of extreme pornographic images relating to the dog and chickens and possession of cocaine and cannabis resin. She denied the charges.

    At an earlier hearing at the lower court, she pleaded guilty to three aiding and abetting counts, namely filming her husband having sexual intercourse with a chicken.

    Nowt as queer as folk, as they say in Yorkshire. I think they should both be given the cat!

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Nowt as queer as folk, as they say in Yorkshire.

    Rehan and Haleema Baig - a fine Yorkshire yeoman farmer and his lass.

    Replies: @HammerJack

    , @Anonymous
    @YetAnotherAnon



    At an earlier hearing at the lower court, she pleaded guilty to three aiding and abetting counts, namely filming her husband having sexual intercourse with a chicken.

     

    Immigrants: doing the jobs Britons won't do.
  52. @PiltdownMan
    Feelings chicks are replacing Facts Man at fivethirtyeight.

    Amelia Thomson-DeVeaux has a master's degree in religious studies. Maggie Koerth, apparently an "innovative science writer" studies journalism and anthropology.

    It is striking to me that, in a country that produces armies of STEM graduates, how few journalists covering science or quantitative matters actually have any relevant college-level education in either area. Dilettantes and self-styled expert science journalists abound.

    https://i.imgur.com/odh0kd5.jpg


    https://i.imgur.com/M6uvSfL.jpg

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @Unladen Swallow, @Bill Jones, @West reanimator, @mmack, @Jane Plain, @Hamlet's Ghost

    STEM courses, being reality based, are less historically reliable incubators of Wokism.

    But they’re working on it.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Bill Jones

    STEM courses, being reality based, are less historically reliable incubators of Wokism.

    But they’re working on it.

    The real problem for them is medicine. They simply don't have a strategy for dealing with it. The left doesn't care if you apply critical thinking to a circuit or molecule but medicine is a can of worms for them.

    They have locked down the social sciences but in medicine you can't simply deny racial differences because your left wing prof says it must be so. In fact if you aren't aware of certain racial differences you could be sued for malpractice. For example pediatricians have to know about racial differences in childhood development. They have to know they exist outside of external factors which liberals tell us is impossible.

    I remember asking an Anthro grad student about racial differences that could be connected to culture. He got emotionally flustered, murmured something about race not existing and then walked away from me. So what exactly did he learn in 6 years? He couldn't answer a basic question from a non-major?

  53. No, it has to be true … COVID-19 lockdowns have crushed ALL economic activity and have hit the minority communities hardest, ergo crime must surely be down.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    @The Alarmist

    Unlike in the past, minorities now have a steady diet of Netflix, Youtube and video games to distract them. If cheap meth and oxy could be delivered to homes legally there would be almost no crime at all.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @Steve Sailer

  54. @IHTG
    https://twitter.com/Steve_Sailer/status/1290819392251420672

    Rather uncalled for. Pradheep Shanker is a harmlessly anodyne conservative.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    So?

  55. @PiltdownMan
    Feelings chicks are replacing Facts Man at fivethirtyeight.

    Amelia Thomson-DeVeaux has a master's degree in religious studies. Maggie Koerth, apparently an "innovative science writer" studies journalism and anthropology.

    It is striking to me that, in a country that produces armies of STEM graduates, how few journalists covering science or quantitative matters actually have any relevant college-level education in either area. Dilettantes and self-styled expert science journalists abound.

    https://i.imgur.com/odh0kd5.jpg


    https://i.imgur.com/M6uvSfL.jpg

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @Unladen Swallow, @Bill Jones, @West reanimator, @mmack, @Jane Plain, @Hamlet's Ghost

    It is striking to me that, in a country that produces armies of STEM graduates, how few journalists covering science or quantitative matters actually have any relevant college-level education in either area.

    It’s not terribly hard to explain. Journalism is a declining career that pays poorly. Only the ideologues are trying to become journalists.

  56. @PiltdownMan
    Feelings chicks are replacing Facts Man at fivethirtyeight.

    Amelia Thomson-DeVeaux has a master's degree in religious studies. Maggie Koerth, apparently an "innovative science writer" studies journalism and anthropology.

    It is striking to me that, in a country that produces armies of STEM graduates, how few journalists covering science or quantitative matters actually have any relevant college-level education in either area. Dilettantes and self-styled expert science journalists abound.

    https://i.imgur.com/odh0kd5.jpg


    https://i.imgur.com/M6uvSfL.jpg

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @Unladen Swallow, @Bill Jones, @West reanimator, @mmack, @Jane Plain, @Hamlet's Ghost

    “It is difficult to get a woman to understand something, when her salary depends upon her not understanding it.”

  57. Anon[306] • Disclaimer says:

    Compared to 5, 10, or 20 years ago, there are a lot of crimes that you would have reported to the police in the past that you wouldn’t today. A smashed car window? Waste of time, except the insurance company might require a police filing. Street robbery or home damage? Again, insurance rules would determine this: Prediction: Insurance companies will change to adapt, either by not requiring police filings, or by not covering damages from crimes that have been reclassified from felonies to “infractions.”

    This in itself is worth research, but good luck in getting it funded.

    As an American living abroad most of my life, with the resultant Rip van Winkle effect of not being immersed in U.S. society and culture and the boiling-frog effect, I’m amazed at how trash-assed the U.S. has become and how my relatives there don’t really seem to even notice the changes.

  58. @AnotherDad
    One very noticeably thing over the last generation, but particularly the last decade has been the decline of the not exactly "objectivity" but something like "non-totalitarian-ness" of the mainstream American press.

    The always had their establishment and "liberal"--i.e. Democrat--spin. But back in the 90s, even into the 00s, there was actually openness to contrary stories and data ... they would just get the liberal "root causes" spin.

    In the last few years the establishment press organs are pretty much like Pravda. They just openly lie, up front, all the time. Like Chauvin killed George Floyd. It's just a fact. Or "peaceful protests".

    I increasingly feel like i'm living in a totalitarian country. More freedom at the individual level, with known like minded people. And they haven't seized my retirement accounts--yet. But at the level of establishment media, it's like living in the Soviet Union. If it was not for the internet allowing some contrary views this would be like Soviet Union.

    Replies: @Ron Unz, @Chrisnonymous, @Rob McX, @Dr. X

    I increasingly feel like i’m living in a totalitarian country.

    That’s because you are living in a totalitarian country. Tocqueville warned about the totalitarian possibilities of mass democracy way back in the 1830s.

    Of course, the country was founded as a republic of states, not as a democracy… but Lincoln fixed that.

  59. @Hypnotoad666
    @Ron Unz


    repeatedly stated that the American MSM is vastly more dishonest and uniform than anything he had ever experienced back in the Brezhnev Era
     
    I wouldn't be surprised if that's true. If so, it's probably because the American media lacks the intelligence and discipline to be good propagandists.

    Good propaganda should be 85% factual and true, so that you have credibility for the really important 15% that is self-serving lies.

    But our MSM can't resist being 85% lies and spin, and only 15% facts.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt

    https://www.unqualified-reservations.org/2013/03/jacques-ellul-on-demand-for-propaganda/

    The idea that propaganda consists of lies (which makes it harmless and even a little ridiculous in the eyes of the public) is still maintained by some specialists; for example, Frederick C. Irion gives it as the basic trait in his definition of propaganda. But it is certainly not so. For a long time propagandists have recognized that lying must be avoided. “In propaganda, truth pays off”—this formula has been increasingly accepted. Lenin proclaimed it. And alongside Hitler’s statement on lying one must place Goebbels’ insistence that facts to be disseminated must be accurate.(*)

    How can we explain this contradiction? It seems that in propaganda we must make a radical distinction between a fact on the one hand and intentions or interpretations on the other; in brief, between the material and moral elements. The truth that pays off is in the realm of facts. The necessary falsehoods, which also pay off, are in the realm of intentions and interpretations.

    *—This idea is now generally accepted. In the United States it is the Number One rule in propaganda manuals, except for unbelievable and harmful truths, about which it is better to remain silent. SHAEF said in its manual: “When there is no compelling reason to suppress a fact, tell it… Aside from considerations of military security, the only reason to suppress a piece of news is if it is unbelievable… When the listener catches you in a lie, your power diminishes… For this reason, never tell a lie which can be discovered.” As far back as 1940 the American psychological services already had orders to tell the truth; in carrying them out, for example, they distributed the same newspapers to American and German soldiers. In the Communist bloc we find exactly the same attitude: Mao has always been very careful to state the facts exactly, including bad news. On the basis of Lenin’s general theory of information, it is incorrect that the dissemination of false news does not create problems. French propagandists also have discovered that truthfulness is effective, and that it is better to spread a piece of bad news oneself than to wait until it is revealed by others.

    There remains the problem of Goebbels’ reputation. He wore the title of Big Liar (bestowed by Anglo-Saxon propaganda) and yet he never stopped battling for propaganda to be as accurate as possible. He preferred being cynical and brutal to being caught in a lie. He used to say: “Everybody must know what the situation is.” He was always the first to announce disastrous events or difficult situations, without hiding anything.

    The result was a general belief, between 1939 and 1942, that German communiques were not only more concise, clearer, and less cluttered, but were more truthful than Allied communiques (American and neutral opinion)—and, furthermore, that the Germans published all the news two or three days before the Allies. All this is so true that pinning the title of Big Liar on Goebbels must be considered quite a propaganda success.

    Spin is where the lies are, and there only by misdirection, not actual lying. According to Ellul, and the experts, if you’re lying, you’re not engaging in effective propaganda.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @TomSchmidt



    The result was a general belief, between 1939 and 1942, that German communiques were not only more concise, clearer, and less cluttered, but were more truthful than Allied communiques (American and neutral opinion)—and, furthermore, that the Germans published all the news two or three days before the Allies.
     
    I am afraid I do not see what incentive the Germans would have had to lie from 1939-1942, as their first serious setback (Stalingrad) did not occur until early 1943.

    There isn't much point in lying about a war when you appear to be winning it, is there?

    In fact, the news on the Allied side was so overwhelmingly negative until 1943 that:


    The Wartime Guide of the National Association of Broadcasters forbade its member stations to use the transition “Now for some good news,”

     

    While I am left to infer the exact reason for the above American wartime measure, I imagine it was put into place because, had that phrase been used, it would only have served to highlight just how badly things were going for the Allies in the first few years of the war.

    It would be far more revealing to know what everyone, Germans and Allies alike, thought of what the German government had to say in the 1943-45 timeframe, when it was obvious that the tide had turned in favour of the Allies.
  60. They may not be able to hide the bullet-ridden bodies, but they can invent ways to avoid counting them.

    https://www.bigtrial.net/2020/08/theyre-definitely-cooking-books-phillys.html

  61. @Anonymous
    Speaking of crime, this unintentionally comic video answers the rarely asked question of why there aren’t more BLM riots in Mexico. Turns out working Mexicans don’t like petty criminals.

    WARNING: If you are repulsed by idea of a concerned Mexican citizen literally sticking his foot up a criminal's bare ass, this video... may not be for you:

    https://youtu.be/utUug2vRKkM

    Replies: @Skylark Thibedeau, @anon

    Could be too that when Mexico and Argentina freed their African slaves they didn’t set up freedman bureaus but just let them starve.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Skylark Thibedeau

    Could be too that when Mexico and Argentina freed their African slaves they didn’t set up freedman bureaus but just let them starve.

    No idea about Argentina but in Mexico the black population essentially vanished due to intermarriage, aside from the very small population along the Gulf coast. Many Mexicans carry about 5% African genes, varying widely by geography.

    A lot of Mexicans in the northern half of Mexico reallly do not like black people. We aren't supposed to notice that, either.

  62. @anon
    Interesting to read this particular bit of misinformation from 538 in light of the fact that Coronavinus was peddling the exact same line not too many days ago. A paid squid-ink commenter got the official line before mainstream professionals?

    Replies: @Thirdtwin, @res

    But 538 picked Trump to win in 2016, right? Oh, wait. No they did not. 538 just “Gave Trump A Better Chance Than Almost Anyone Else”.

  63. Steve,

    Speaking of Crime and Punishment, I bring you an update on the case of Concepcion Malinek of Cicero, IL. Mrs. Malinek ran a community outreach program for the Guatemalan community, from the basement of her home:

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/07/30/feds-guatemalan-national-held-33-illegal-aliens-captive-in-her-basement/

    33 people and she plead guilty to one charge of human trafficking. Also notice her husband, a TSA agent, who apparently didn’t know nothing about no people in no basement, has not been charged.

    I know it’s not monkeying with crime stats data, but behold the wonders of ¡Vibrancy! America. 🤦🏻‍♂️

  64. @Ron Unz
    @AnotherDad


    But at the level of establishment media, it’s like living in the Soviet Union. If it was not for the internet allowing some contrary views this would be like Soviet Union.
     
    Or worse.

    AnonFromTN, a long-time commenter here, is an American academic in the sciences who grew up in the USSR and came here back in the 1990s. He's repeatedly stated that the American MSM is vastly more dishonest and uniform than anything he had ever experienced back in the Brezhnev Era, and probably only matched by Stalinism.

    I can't say whether that's correct, but it wouldn't surprise me.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @John Johnson, @Rob McX, @utu, @Chrisnonymous, @Bill Jones

    Edward Bernays published “Propaganda” in 1925.
    Five years before Goebbels got the job in Germany.

  65. Chicken f***ers?

    That’s straight out of Rob Zombie’s “The Devil’s Rejects.”

    • Replies: @Diversity Inclusion Equality Youth Team
    @Adolph Oliver Busch

    But it was just to get the children to read more books, see?

  66. @Mr McKenna
    @Hypnotoad666

    Right? It's easy enough to follow our Society's Dictate not to report black crime. Done! But much harder to hide bodies. Ask me how I know.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute

    But much harder to hide bodies. Ask me how I know.

    Not really, but it can be a bit of an intelligence test and boldness test. For example, a decent wood chipper and ancillary supplies can be had for under $500 (cheaper than the gun). A shovel is even cheaper, but the IQ matters more since you’re leaving more evidence to potentially be found. On the other end is a boat which costs more, but a weighted load tossed overboard offshore in the ocean or Great Lakes is not coming back.

    Not that I have spent a great deal of time thinking about this or anything..

    It seems that the real trick is in choosing the bodies. It’s almost like whacking randoms doesn’t have much appeal, but it’s virtually impossible to avoid suspicion when your nagging land whale wife goes missing.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Stan d Mute

    I've given it some thought too - as a mental exercise, that is. There's always the chance of a random police stop when you're driving to the lake with the body. I think about 50 gallons of sulphuric acid would be the safest bet. Later on you'd need to check the remains for for any giveaway teeth fillings, pacemaker, etc.

  67. @Peter Akuleyev
    My lying eyes would tell me there is no evidence at all crime is rising. Not seeing it personally, no anecdotal evidence from my friends. I remember what the 1970s were like and we are a long way from that. Only Fox News seems aware of this surge.

    Of course Steve pulled this same alarmist nonsense in the late Obama years. That made political sense at least. Harping on crime and chaos when the GOP controls the Executive Branch and the Senate (and most Police are very conservative already) doesn‘t seem like we have much of an alternative other than hoping Biden is a pragmatic centrist, or dissolving the union.

    Replies: @ic1000, @TWS, @anon

    Yeah sure, I’m watching massive crime every night in the news but your personal anecdotal information is so compelling.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    @TWS

    To me it is. The „news“ is a distillation of horrors to keep you titillated and glued to your tv. Sure, trust what the talking box tells you rather what you can see outside. That makes sense.

    Replies: @TWS

  68. @The Alarmist
    No, it has to be true ... COVID-19 lockdowns have crushed ALL economic activity and have hit the minority communities hardest, ergo crime must surely be down.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev

    Unlike in the past, minorities now have a steady diet of Netflix, Youtube and video games to distract them. If cheap meth and oxy could be delivered to homes legally there would be almost no crime at all.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Haven't you confused the Hood with Flyover Country?

    BTW, this was the first hit I got searching for 'Black YouTube'.

    https://youtu.be/5ZH2it92ZmA

    , @Steve Sailer
    @Peter Akuleyev

    But no NBA until a few days ago.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

  69. @Peter Akuleyev
    @The Alarmist

    Unlike in the past, minorities now have a steady diet of Netflix, Youtube and video games to distract them. If cheap meth and oxy could be delivered to homes legally there would be almost no crime at all.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @Steve Sailer

    Haven’t you confused the Hood with Flyover Country?

    BTW, this was the first hit I got searching for ‘Black YouTube’.

  70. @Anonymous
    This guy got tuned up on Oak street today in broad daylight.

    It's the Chicago version of rodeo drive. Was out shopping for bling and someone must have dimed his whereabouts


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8594151/Chicago-rapper-FBG-Duck-26-shot-dead-brazen-broad-daylight-drive-by.html

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @Bartleby the Scrivner

    Hang on just a minute. Is that Mr. Duck doing the OK sign with his right hand in the Mail photo? I thought the OK sign was for signaling White Supremacy. I’m reasonably sure he’s African American. Is he pro White Supremacy?

    I’m so confused…..

  71. Amazing what searching for ‘Black YouTube’ prompts the YouTube algorithm to offer up to me.

    How to be a Woke White Person:

    • Replies: @anon
    @The Alarmist

    Ultra Spiritual Life is a national treasure.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kDso5ElFRg

  72. It’s actually striking that murder is up for 2020 overall because murders had dropped substantially in March – late May during the lockdown, so the increase since late May has been really dramatic.

  73. @utu
    @Ron Unz

    "He’s repeatedly stated that the American MSM is vastly more dishonest and uniform than anything he had ever experienced back in the Brezhnev Era, and probably only matched by Stalinism." - Don't bee a fool. AnonFromTN is butt-hurt Russki Sovok who feels contempt for anything American and Western in general.

    Replies: @utu, @Matt Buckalew

    Exactly. Never mind that Unz is a wiling collaborator with Cathedral propoganda when it supports flooding the US with Olemec peasants.

  74. @Redneck farmer
    @utu

    If they voted for Mayor Wilhelm, they deserve it.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    If they voted for Mayor Wilhelm, they deserve it.

    Only about 16% of eligible NYC voters bothered to vote.

  75. @Hypnotoad666

    Keep you eye on the dead bodies.
     
    Exactly. Crime stats are infinitely subject to manipulation in the way they are defined, collected, and reported.

    For example, you can categorize stealing $950 or less as a mere misdemeanor that gets you a ticket instead of jail time. This causes actual thefts to skyrocket. But since the cops won't do anything, nobody bothers to call them for thefts anymore. So on paper, the crime rate goes down. In reality, it's way up.

    But counting up bodies with bullet holes leaves little room for manipulation. Assuming a relatively stable ratio between the number of murders and other violent crimes is thus probably the best way to estimate the overall real crime rate in the era of politicized fake statistics.

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @ic1000, @Sgt. Joe Friday, @stillCARealist, @Corvinus

    And cops in a lot of jurisdictions will discourage you from reporting a crime at all, especially the quality of life crimes and business break-ins where the loss is below a certain threshold. I have first hand experience with the latter, and ended up hiring a PI to get to the bottom of the matter. The PI was able to ID the employee responsible for the break-in, and I fired the guy.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Sgt. Joe Friday

    No matter how minor the crime, if you have insurance and the loss is over your deductible, you need to report it for insurance purposes. I had a difficult time getting them to take a report when four wheels were stolen out from under my car in broad daylight in Chicago.

  76. “We have the lowest reported crime rate in the whole city!”
    “Of course you do. You don’t report any of it!”

  77. @PiltdownMan
    Feelings chicks are replacing Facts Man at fivethirtyeight.

    Amelia Thomson-DeVeaux has a master's degree in religious studies. Maggie Koerth, apparently an "innovative science writer" studies journalism and anthropology.

    It is striking to me that, in a country that produces armies of STEM graduates, how few journalists covering science or quantitative matters actually have any relevant college-level education in either area. Dilettantes and self-styled expert science journalists abound.

    https://i.imgur.com/odh0kd5.jpg


    https://i.imgur.com/M6uvSfL.jpg

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @Unladen Swallow, @Bill Jones, @West reanimator, @mmack, @Jane Plain, @Hamlet's Ghost

    Look at the lower picture. Am I the only one who has noticed this closed-mouth smirk?

    • Replies: @Diversity Inclusion Equality Youth Team
    @Jane Plain

    I believe that's known as an "extremely punchable face"
    Perhaps we can find an aging native to bang a silly drum right up close

    , @anon
    @Jane Plain

    According to her bio she had a miscarriage some years ago, therefore not an M -> F trans. But she looks it. Likely high T in utero, it would be interesting to see her digit ratio. The smirk is apparently a requirement for such people, along with vocal fry and occasional uptalking. It goes along with the perpetually discontented, angry mindset.

    She's wearing her life on her face. Physiognomy is real stuff.

  78. @Hypnotoad666

    Keep you eye on the dead bodies.
     
    Exactly. Crime stats are infinitely subject to manipulation in the way they are defined, collected, and reported.

    For example, you can categorize stealing $950 or less as a mere misdemeanor that gets you a ticket instead of jail time. This causes actual thefts to skyrocket. But since the cops won't do anything, nobody bothers to call them for thefts anymore. So on paper, the crime rate goes down. In reality, it's way up.

    But counting up bodies with bullet holes leaves little room for manipulation. Assuming a relatively stable ratio between the number of murders and other violent crimes is thus probably the best way to estimate the overall real crime rate in the era of politicized fake statistics.

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @ic1000, @Sgt. Joe Friday, @stillCARealist, @Corvinus

    It’s the NextDoor app. I thought my area was crime-free, but then I started seeing all the posts on NextDoor about stuff being stolen, vandalism, graffiti, break-ins. It makes me feel rather unsafe.

    And, the homeless are thick in these parts, leaving trash and waste everywhere. Another friend’s catalytic converter was stolen recently.

    There are no murders in my area, but the property crimes are rampant. I wonder how many of these actually get reported.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @stillCARealist


    There are no murders in my area....
     
    That you know of ;)
  79. So . . . people in all medium to large cities have been sequestered in their homes by public order for roughly half of 2020 and murders are nevertheless up? Nothing to see here, I tells ya!

    Also, when we compare rates of murder over time I think we need to have some kind of adjustment for more recent shootings which are not fatal due to the advancements in trauma/gun shot wound (GSW) treatment derived from twenty years of our little adventures in the sandbox. I don’t get the warm and fuzzies from the knowledge that lots of people who would have been dead in the 1990s are merely victims of aggravated assaults due to the heroic and fantastically expensive interventions of hospital trauma units.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)


    advancements in trauma/gun shot wound (GSW) treatment derived from twenty years of our little adventures in the sandbox
     
    Part of a longer trend over the 20th century.
  80. @Bill Jones
    @PiltdownMan

    STEM courses, being reality based, are less historically reliable incubators of Wokism.

    But they're working on it.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    STEM courses, being reality based, are less historically reliable incubators of Wokism.

    But they’re working on it.

    The real problem for them is medicine. They simply don’t have a strategy for dealing with it. The left doesn’t care if you apply critical thinking to a circuit or molecule but medicine is a can of worms for them.

    They have locked down the social sciences but in medicine you can’t simply deny racial differences because your left wing prof says it must be so. In fact if you aren’t aware of certain racial differences you could be sued for malpractice. For example pediatricians have to know about racial differences in childhood development. They have to know they exist outside of external factors which liberals tell us is impossible.

    I remember asking an Anthro grad student about racial differences that could be connected to culture. He got emotionally flustered, murmured something about race not existing and then walked away from me. So what exactly did he learn in 6 years? He couldn’t answer a basic question from a non-major?

  81. @PiltdownMan
    Feelings chicks are replacing Facts Man at fivethirtyeight.

    Amelia Thomson-DeVeaux has a master's degree in religious studies. Maggie Koerth, apparently an "innovative science writer" studies journalism and anthropology.

    It is striking to me that, in a country that produces armies of STEM graduates, how few journalists covering science or quantitative matters actually have any relevant college-level education in either area. Dilettantes and self-styled expert science journalists abound.

    https://i.imgur.com/odh0kd5.jpg


    https://i.imgur.com/M6uvSfL.jpg

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @Unladen Swallow, @Bill Jones, @West reanimator, @mmack, @Jane Plain, @Hamlet's Ghost

    Heck, they’re just pikers compared to the Grand petite princess of Wokesterism:

    She hasn’t even graduated from high school, and she knows all about SCIENCE!

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @Hamlet's Ghost

    The resemblance is striking, but Palpatine has a better smile and more life-like facial expressions.

    https://assets1.ignimgs.com/2019/04/15/emperor-palpatine-1280-1555364861596_1280w.jpg

  82. Because Pradheep J. Shanker has lots of cousins still back home in the Old Country whom he wants to see immigrate to America.

    “Yes. According to history, over 100 years ago, a man named [Pradeep] Shanker got hold of a nuclear warhead.”

    Movie Quote of the Day

  83. @Cortes
    @Bugg

    Interesting how crime can be disguised.

    OT, I noticed that the names of the mother and brother of St George Floyd are “Larcenia” and “Philonise”.

    No, really.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    OT, I noticed that the names of the mother and brother of St George Floyd are “Larcenia” and “Philonise”.

    Eat your heart out Evelyn Waugh.

  84. anon[730] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Speaking of crime, this unintentionally comic video answers the rarely asked question of why there aren’t more BLM riots in Mexico. Turns out working Mexicans don’t like petty criminals.

    WARNING: If you are repulsed by idea of a concerned Mexican citizen literally sticking his foot up a criminal's bare ass, this video... may not be for you:

    https://youtu.be/utUug2vRKkM

    Replies: @Skylark Thibedeau, @anon

    Speaking of crime, this unintentionally comic video answers the rarely asked question of why there aren’t more BLM riots in Mexico.

    Dude, there’s no OBLM because there are hardly any black people in Mexico except for a few along the Gulf coast and illegals from Africa. Plus nobody in Mexico really expects cops to act with anything like the self control of American cops. In this vid you can hear the word “madre” a whole lot, but unlike Saint George Fentanyl nobody is “calling for his mother”, lol, especially when it’s strung together with “¡Eicho de puta!”…lol.

    In other words, Mexico isn’t the US. Well, duh.

  85. @Peter Akuleyev
    My lying eyes would tell me there is no evidence at all crime is rising. Not seeing it personally, no anecdotal evidence from my friends. I remember what the 1970s were like and we are a long way from that. Only Fox News seems aware of this surge.

    Of course Steve pulled this same alarmist nonsense in the late Obama years. That made political sense at least. Harping on crime and chaos when the GOP controls the Executive Branch and the Senate (and most Police are very conservative already) doesn‘t seem like we have much of an alternative other than hoping Biden is a pragmatic centrist, or dissolving the union.

    Replies: @ic1000, @TWS, @anon

    My lying eyes would tell me there is no evidence at all crime is rising. Not seeing it personally, no anecdotal evidence from my friends.

    Is it that you didn’t notice all the arson in various cities, or that you don’t regard arson as a crime?

  86. @Hypnotoad666

    Keep you eye on the dead bodies.
     
    Exactly. Crime stats are infinitely subject to manipulation in the way they are defined, collected, and reported.

    For example, you can categorize stealing $950 or less as a mere misdemeanor that gets you a ticket instead of jail time. This causes actual thefts to skyrocket. But since the cops won't do anything, nobody bothers to call them for thefts anymore. So on paper, the crime rate goes down. In reality, it's way up.

    But counting up bodies with bullet holes leaves little room for manipulation. Assuming a relatively stable ratio between the number of murders and other violent crimes is thus probably the best way to estimate the overall real crime rate in the era of politicized fake statistics.

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @ic1000, @Sgt. Joe Friday, @stillCARealist, @Corvinus

    “Exactly. Crime stats are infinitely subject to manipulation in the way they are defined, collected, and reported.”

    So Mr. Sailer’s reliance on them is unreliable? What about his interpretation? Is he not also subject to confirmation bias?

  87. @theMann
    We can thank CoronaFraud for one thing - it has been enormously revelational of character. Tens of millions of Americans have bowed down in abject fear and cringing servility, and along the way, two giant neon signs now point brightly at their heads:


    One says "sniveling coward" and the other says "low grade moron".

    What, you don't see the signs labeling your character? I see them, and more to the point, every bad person on the planet sees them. The low level burglar down the road from you sees them, and plans accordingly. The Gang-banger or other slightly more organized criminal sees them, and plans accordingly. The serial rapist or murderer sees them, and accepts the gift from Satan accordingly. The Medical filth, who will clearly do anything if the money is right, sees the signs, and exploits you with casual amusement. And Satan's true minions in the world, the Oligarchs and those who serve them, (and cannot believe how easy this has been) glorify in making Slaves of you pathetic Degenerates.


    Crime is going up? Welcome to Hell shit-eaters. It is where you belong.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    Ron needs to add a ‘Sad but True’ button.

  88. Crime can only be counted as a statistic if it is counted as a statistic. Ultra-liberal mayors, Soros-backed DAs, and activist bureaucrats will go out and proudly proclaim how this or that crime won’t be treated like a crime anymore – it takes some chutzpah afterwards to claim that the stats say incidences of that crime are down later. When the DA tells you that she or he won’t prosecute any thefts under $1000, can we really trust the theft stats? Can we compare them to past years and declare them down? Of course not. “Gaslighting” has become a totally overused phrase these days, but this sort of behavior on the part of the media is the definition of the term.

  89. @anon
    Interesting to read this particular bit of misinformation from 538 in light of the fact that Coronavinus was peddling the exact same line not too many days ago. A paid squid-ink commenter got the official line before mainstream professionals?

    Replies: @Thirdtwin, @res

    Less lead time for squid-ink comments than mainstream professional articles?

  90. @Bugg
    As they say at NYPD Compstat meetings; you cannot hide a bullet-ridden body. What they don't say but know; burglary can always be downgraded to "lost property" and robbery to "petit larceny", and presto, you felony offenses are reduced.

    Replies: @Cortes, @Buffalo Joe

    Bugg, crime stats are whatever they disclose to us. But remember, theft under $960 doesn’t count. Millions of dollars of looted merchandise doesn’t count, major arson doesn’t count and the occasional 92 year old White woman sucker punched into lala land doesn’t count, In SanFrancisco over 30,000 car break ins last year, yes 30,000 and 2% arrests. A thousand stolen bikes found in a bridge pier access vault and nothing done, so most people don’t even bother. Was it Minneapolis where they advised citizens to just hand over their cell phone, wallet and car keys.

  91. You know, the fact that the MSN begrudingly acknowledges that murders are up, but doesn’t mention that the majority of those murdered are black, means that in their heart of hearts, black Lives Don’t Matter. Seems obvious to me.

  92. @The Alarmist
    Amazing what searching for 'Black YouTube' prompts the YouTube algorithm to offer up to me.

    How to be a Woke White Person:

    https://youtu.be/gHSVjmO4iJY

    Replies: @anon

    Ultra Spiritual Life is a national treasure.

    • Thanks: The Alarmist
  93. @Stan d Mute
    @Mr McKenna


    But much harder to hide bodies. Ask me how I know.
     
    Not really, but it can be a bit of an intelligence test and boldness test. For example, a decent wood chipper and ancillary supplies can be had for under $500 (cheaper than the gun). A shovel is even cheaper, but the IQ matters more since you’re leaving more evidence to potentially be found. On the other end is a boat which costs more, but a weighted load tossed overboard offshore in the ocean or Great Lakes is not coming back.

    Not that I have spent a great deal of time thinking about this or anything..

    It seems that the real trick is in choosing the bodies. It’s almost like whacking randoms doesn’t have much appeal, but it’s virtually impossible to avoid suspicion when your nagging land whale wife goes missing.

    Replies: @Rob McX

    I’ve given it some thought too – as a mental exercise, that is. There’s always the chance of a random police stop when you’re driving to the lake with the body. I think about 50 gallons of sulphuric acid would be the safest bet. Later on you’d need to check the remains for for any giveaway teeth fillings, pacemaker, etc.

  94. In Russian, Pravda means truth. The Washington Truth, just imagine that as an MSM outlet.

  95. @YetAnotherAnon
    Lockdown is having some strange effects on crime.

    https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/18620366.man-pleads-guilty-sex-chickens/

    A man has admitted having sexual intercourse with chickens.

    Rehan and Haleema Baig, of Shepherd Street, Great Horton, appeared before Bradford Crown Court today to face the charges.

    He admitted possessing extreme pornographic images which were "grossly offensive, disgusting or otherwise of an obscene nature" which portrayed in an "explicit and realistic way" a person performing an act of intercourse with an unknown animal, a dog and several chickens.

    He also pleaded guilty to making indecent photographs of children, as well as the possession of 405mg of cocaine and 4.07g of cannabis resin.

    His wife, 37, was also charged with the same counts of possession of extreme pornographic images relating to the dog and chickens and possession of cocaine and cannabis resin. She denied the charges.

    At an earlier hearing at the lower court, she pleaded guilty to three aiding and abetting counts, namely filming her husband having sexual intercourse with a chicken.
     

    Nowt as queer as folk, as they say in Yorkshire. I think they should both be given the cat!

    Replies: @Lurker, @Anonymous

    Nowt as queer as folk, as they say in Yorkshire.

    Rehan and Haleema Baig – a fine Yorkshire yeoman farmer and his lass.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @Lurker

    One good thing about having your country swamped with third-world immigrants is that sometimes they kill one another. That is a good thing, right?

    Scientist, 43, is murdered and her body dumped in a creek in Texas
    https://mol.im/a/8597411

    Replies: @HammerJack

  96. @Lurker
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Nowt as queer as folk, as they say in Yorkshire.

    Rehan and Haleema Baig - a fine Yorkshire yeoman farmer and his lass.

    Replies: @HammerJack

    One good thing about having your country swamped with third-world immigrants is that sometimes they kill one another. That is a good thing, right?

    Scientist, 43, is murdered and her body dumped in a creek in Texas
    https://mol.im/a/8597411

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @HammerJack

    Who did this one? They're claiming it's arson but it might have been confusion about how to operate the kitchen range.


    Five members of immigrant African family are dead after brutal fire https://mol.im/a/8596273


    Personally I think it was racism what done it.

  97. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    So . . . people in all medium to large cities have been sequestered in their homes by public order for roughly half of 2020 and murders are nevertheless up? Nothing to see here, I tells ya!

    Also, when we compare rates of murder over time I think we need to have some kind of adjustment for more recent shootings which are not fatal due to the advancements in trauma/gun shot wound (GSW) treatment derived from twenty years of our little adventures in the sandbox. I don't get the warm and fuzzies from the knowledge that lots of people who would have been dead in the 1990s are merely victims of aggravated assaults due to the heroic and fantastically expensive interventions of hospital trauma units.

    Replies: @Lurker

    advancements in trauma/gun shot wound (GSW) treatment derived from twenty years of our little adventures in the sandbox

    Part of a longer trend over the 20th century.

  98. And this BLAXK DISABLED VETERAN was thrown off a plane “just because she’s black!”

    That’s her version anyway. She’s now consulting lawyers and has Hollywood celebrities calling for the airline to be boycotted.

    Woman kicked off flight for wearing ‘offensive f*** the police’ mask https://mol.im/a/8595915

    Charlotte to st.louis that would be the first clue of a flight to avoid

  99. @Skylark Thibedeau
    @Anonymous

    Could be too that when Mexico and Argentina freed their African slaves they didn't set up freedman bureaus but just let them starve.

    Replies: @anon

    Could be too that when Mexico and Argentina freed their African slaves they didn’t set up freedman bureaus but just let them starve.

    No idea about Argentina but in Mexico the black population essentially vanished due to intermarriage, aside from the very small population along the Gulf coast. Many Mexicans carry about 5% African genes, varying widely by geography.

    A lot of Mexicans in the northern half of Mexico reallly do not like black people. We aren’t supposed to notice that, either.

  100. @El Dato
    Works THE OTHER WAY for COVID-19.

    Death is banging on the doors everywhere (except if you have marked yours with the cross of blood by participating in a peaceful protest) although statistics (and even the rather unhelpful error-bar-less non-percentage, non-recovery-indicating, mixed & jumbled graphs by somewhat logically challenged Johns Hopkins U webmonkeys seem to tell another story).

    April 7: Ecuador’s Covid-19 catastrophe is man-made disaster — because for political elites ordinary Ecuadorians are just disposables

    Corpses line the streets of Ecuador’s city of Guayaquil, as it's struggling to deal with the outbreak of Covid’19. But catastrophe could’ve been avoided had the political elites not put monied interest before the lives of people.
     
    2020-08: Ecuador officially has 88'000 cases, 5'800 deaths.

    It's enough to make you a Holocaust revisionist.

    Replies: @Sollipsist

    My actual first thought while reading this.

    Gotta give credit to the first person who realized that compiling and interpreting official statistics was infinitely more effective than just lying. They contributed more to our modern life than the discovery of fire or the wheel.

    And if you don’t believe me, I’m sure there’s a Pew report that will back me up on that…

  101. @HammerJack
    @Lurker

    One good thing about having your country swamped with third-world immigrants is that sometimes they kill one another. That is a good thing, right?

    Scientist, 43, is murdered and her body dumped in a creek in Texas
    https://mol.im/a/8597411

    Replies: @HammerJack

    Who did this one? They’re claiming it’s arson but it might have been confusion about how to operate the kitchen range.

    Five members of immigrant African family are dead after brutal fire https://mol.im/a/8596273

    Personally I think it was racism what done it.

  102. Reminds me of all those studies ‘proving’ that Katrina refugees didn’t raise crime the places they settled.

  103. @Sgt. Joe Friday
    @Hypnotoad666

    And cops in a lot of jurisdictions will discourage you from reporting a crime at all, especially the quality of life crimes and business break-ins where the loss is below a certain threshold. I have first hand experience with the latter, and ended up hiring a PI to get to the bottom of the matter. The PI was able to ID the employee responsible for the break-in, and I fired the guy.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    No matter how minor the crime, if you have insurance and the loss is over your deductible, you need to report it for insurance purposes. I had a difficult time getting them to take a report when four wheels were stolen out from under my car in broad daylight in Chicago.

  104. I had a difficult time getting them to take a report when four wheels were stolen out from under my car in broad daylight in Chicago.

    This is why so many muggings and burglaries aren’t reported.

    It’s a pain the ass to just deal with 911 in these areas. Then you have to wait for the police to show up and there is no guarantee of that since they are overworked.

    It isn’t the fault of the police. These Democrat areas with Blacks are in a war against reality and the police are on the frontlines.

    So they really don’t care about some White guy that had his car broken into or was mugged. You’re still on the better side of this stupid war. Be glad you aren’t in the hospital with a missing eye or broken neck.

    What happens is that White people stop calling the police because this is what the system wants. They can’t handle every break in or mugging. I called in shots fired once and the 911 operator was trying to convince me they were fireworks and that I should go back to bed. It’s really quite the experience to call in shots a few blocks away and have the 911 operator get annoyed because you didn’t actually see a gun.

    Forget it Jake, it’s Clowntown.

  105. Anonymous[387] • Disclaimer says:
    @YetAnotherAnon
    Lockdown is having some strange effects on crime.

    https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/18620366.man-pleads-guilty-sex-chickens/

    A man has admitted having sexual intercourse with chickens.

    Rehan and Haleema Baig, of Shepherd Street, Great Horton, appeared before Bradford Crown Court today to face the charges.

    He admitted possessing extreme pornographic images which were "grossly offensive, disgusting or otherwise of an obscene nature" which portrayed in an "explicit and realistic way" a person performing an act of intercourse with an unknown animal, a dog and several chickens.

    He also pleaded guilty to making indecent photographs of children, as well as the possession of 405mg of cocaine and 4.07g of cannabis resin.

    His wife, 37, was also charged with the same counts of possession of extreme pornographic images relating to the dog and chickens and possession of cocaine and cannabis resin. She denied the charges.

    At an earlier hearing at the lower court, she pleaded guilty to three aiding and abetting counts, namely filming her husband having sexual intercourse with a chicken.
     

    Nowt as queer as folk, as they say in Yorkshire. I think they should both be given the cat!

    Replies: @Lurker, @Anonymous

    At an earlier hearing at the lower court, she pleaded guilty to three aiding and abetting counts, namely filming her husband having sexual intercourse with a chicken.

    Immigrants: doing the jobs Britons won’t do.

  106. Anonymous[387] • Disclaimer says:
    @TomSchmidt
    @Hypnotoad666

    https://www.unqualified-reservations.org/2013/03/jacques-ellul-on-demand-for-propaganda/


    The idea that propaganda consists of lies (which makes it harmless and even a little ridiculous in the eyes of the public) is still maintained by some specialists; for example, Frederick C. Irion gives it as the basic trait in his definition of propaganda. But it is certainly not so. For a long time propagandists have recognized that lying must be avoided. “In propaganda, truth pays off”—this formula has been increasingly accepted. Lenin proclaimed it. And alongside Hitler’s statement on lying one must place Goebbels’ insistence that facts to be disseminated must be accurate.(*)

    How can we explain this contradiction? It seems that in propaganda we must make a radical distinction between a fact on the one hand and intentions or interpretations on the other; in brief, between the material and moral elements. The truth that pays off is in the realm of facts. The necessary falsehoods, which also pay off, are in the realm of intentions and interpretations.

    ...

    *—This idea is now generally accepted. In the United States it is the Number One rule in propaganda manuals, except for unbelievable and harmful truths, about which it is better to remain silent. SHAEF said in its manual: “When there is no compelling reason to suppress a fact, tell it… Aside from considerations of military security, the only reason to suppress a piece of news is if it is unbelievable… When the listener catches you in a lie, your power diminishes… For this reason, never tell a lie which can be discovered.” As far back as 1940 the American psychological services already had orders to tell the truth; in carrying them out, for example, they distributed the same newspapers to American and German soldiers. In the Communist bloc we find exactly the same attitude: Mao has always been very careful to state the facts exactly, including bad news. On the basis of Lenin’s general theory of information, it is incorrect that the dissemination of false news does not create problems. French propagandists also have discovered that truthfulness is effective, and that it is better to spread a piece of bad news oneself than to wait until it is revealed by others.

    There remains the problem of Goebbels’ reputation. He wore the title of Big Liar (bestowed by Anglo-Saxon propaganda) and yet he never stopped battling for propaganda to be as accurate as possible. He preferred being cynical and brutal to being caught in a lie. He used to say: “Everybody must know what the situation is.” He was always the first to announce disastrous events or difficult situations, without hiding anything.

    The result was a general belief, between 1939 and 1942, that German communiques were not only more concise, clearer, and less cluttered, but were more truthful than Allied communiques (American and neutral opinion)—and, furthermore, that the Germans published all the news two or three days before the Allies. All this is so true that pinning the title of Big Liar on Goebbels must be considered quite a propaganda success.
     
    Spin is where the lies are, and there only by misdirection, not actual lying. According to Ellul, and the experts, if you're lying, you're not engaging in effective propaganda.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    The result was a general belief, between 1939 and 1942, that German communiques were not only more concise, clearer, and less cluttered, but were more truthful than Allied communiques (American and neutral opinion)—and, furthermore, that the Germans published all the news two or three days before the Allies.

    I am afraid I do not see what incentive the Germans would have had to lie from 1939-1942, as their first serious setback (Stalingrad) did not occur until early 1943.

    There isn’t much point in lying about a war when you appear to be winning it, is there?

    In fact, the news on the Allied side was so overwhelmingly negative until 1943 that:

    The Wartime Guide of the National Association of Broadcasters forbade its member stations to use the transition “Now for some good news,”

    While I am left to infer the exact reason for the above American wartime measure, I imagine it was put into place because, had that phrase been used, it would only have served to highlight just how badly things were going for the Allies in the first few years of the war.

    It would be far more revealing to know what everyone, Germans and Allies alike, thought of what the German government had to say in the 1943-45 timeframe, when it was obvious that the tide had turned in favour of the Allies.

  107. @TWS
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Yeah sure, I'm watching massive crime every night in the news but your personal anecdotal information is so compelling.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev

    To me it is. The „news“ is a distillation of horrors to keep you titillated and glued to your tv. Sure, trust what the talking box tells you rather what you can see outside. That makes sense.

    • Replies: @TWS
    @Peter Akuleyev

    I do not watch the news. I spent my professional career in law enforcement and criminal justice at the state and federal level.

    I maintain my contacts. In the same county I and my grandfather and my uncles worked my son has had more murders in the last eight months than all the rest of us combined in our careers.

    Don't piss on me and tell me it's raining.

  108. @Rob McX
    @Reg Cæsar


    Yes, in 1998, Vatican City had quintuple the homicide rate of the second-most dangerous country.
     
    You should keep those stats to yourself, or you'll be reading "Detroit Safer Than Vatican City" every time there's a media debate on crime.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    You should keep those stats to yourself, or you’ll be reading “Detroit Safer Than Vatican City” every time there’s a media debate on crime.

    Vatican City has the highest crime rate in the world. It derives almost entirely from picking the pockets of the five million annual visitors.

  109. @Adolph Oliver Busch
    Chicken f***ers?

    That's straight out of Rob Zombie's "The Devil's Rejects."

    Replies: @Diversity Inclusion Equality Youth Team

    But it was just to get the children to read more books, see?

  110. @Jane Plain
    @PiltdownMan

    Look at the lower picture. Am I the only one who has noticed this closed-mouth smirk?

    Replies: @Diversity Inclusion Equality Youth Team, @anon

    I believe that’s known as an “extremely punchable face”
    Perhaps we can find an aging native to bang a silly drum right up close

  111. @Peter Akuleyev
    @The Alarmist

    Unlike in the past, minorities now have a steady diet of Netflix, Youtube and video games to distract them. If cheap meth and oxy could be delivered to homes legally there would be almost no crime at all.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @Steve Sailer

    But no NBA until a few days ago.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Steve Sailer


    But no NBA until a few days ago.
     
    The NBA Lakers Clippers game got the best ratings of any league's return at about 3.8 million. Tucker pulls 4+ million each night, and almost 6 million tuned in to watch Brady/Tiger/Phil/Payton play golf in the rain back in April. I am sure the guys buying and selling ads on TV have noticed.

    Maybe there's a reason. Can't quite put my finger on it...
  112. @Steve Sailer
    @Peter Akuleyev

    But no NBA until a few days ago.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    But no NBA until a few days ago.

    The NBA Lakers Clippers game got the best ratings of any league’s return at about 3.8 million. Tucker pulls 4+ million each night, and almost 6 million tuned in to watch Brady/Tiger/Phil/Payton play golf in the rain back in April. I am sure the guys buying and selling ads on TV have noticed.

    Maybe there’s a reason. Can’t quite put my finger on it…

  113. @stillCARealist
    @Hypnotoad666

    It's the NextDoor app. I thought my area was crime-free, but then I started seeing all the posts on NextDoor about stuff being stolen, vandalism, graffiti, break-ins. It makes me feel rather unsafe.

    And, the homeless are thick in these parts, leaving trash and waste everywhere. Another friend's catalytic converter was stolen recently.

    There are no murders in my area, but the property crimes are rampant. I wonder how many of these actually get reported.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    There are no murders in my area….

    That you know of 😉

  114. @Hamlet's Ghost
    @PiltdownMan

    Heck, they're just pikers compared to the Grand petite princess of Wokesterism:
    https://www.instagram.com/p/CC7--rDpl7P/

    She hasn't even graduated from high school, and she knows all about SCIENCE!

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    The resemblance is striking, but Palpatine has a better smile and more life-like facial expressions.

  115. And in a summer when the president is sending federal agents to crack down on crime in major cities…

    The truth. Surely a sign of the end times.

  116. Day Zero of the George Floyd Era, May 24, 2020

    The Year of Our Floyd

  117. anon[553] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jane Plain
    @PiltdownMan

    Look at the lower picture. Am I the only one who has noticed this closed-mouth smirk?

    Replies: @Diversity Inclusion Equality Youth Team, @anon

    According to her bio she had a miscarriage some years ago, therefore not an M -> F trans. But she looks it. Likely high T in utero, it would be interesting to see her digit ratio. The smirk is apparently a requirement for such people, along with vocal fry and occasional uptalking. It goes along with the perpetually discontented, angry mindset.

    She’s wearing her life on her face. Physiognomy is real stuff.

  118. @Peter Akuleyev
    @TWS

    To me it is. The „news“ is a distillation of horrors to keep you titillated and glued to your tv. Sure, trust what the talking box tells you rather what you can see outside. That makes sense.

    Replies: @TWS

    I do not watch the news. I spent my professional career in law enforcement and criminal justice at the state and federal level.

    I maintain my contacts. In the same county I and my grandfather and my uncles worked my son has had more murders in the last eight months than all the rest of us combined in our careers.

    Don’t piss on me and tell me it’s raining.

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