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From Vox, the umpty-umpth article denouncing robots for their lack of racial bias:
The algorithms that detect hate speech online are biased against black people
A new study shows that leading AI models are 1.5 times more likely to flag tweets written by African Americans as “offensive” compared to other tweets.
By Shirin Ghaffary Aug 15, 2019, 11:00am EDT
Platforms like Facebook, YouTube, and Twitter are banking on developing artificial intelligence technology to help stop the spread of hateful speech on their networks. The idea is that complex algorithms that use natural language processing will flag racist or violent speech faster and better than human beings possibly can. Doing this effectively is more urgent than ever in light of recent mass shootings and violence linked to hate speech online.
But two new studies show that AI trained to identify hate speech may actually end up amplifying racial bias. In one study, researchers found that leading AI models for processing hate speech were one-and-a-half times more likely to flag tweets as offensive or hateful when they were written by African Americans, and 2.2 times more likely to flag tweets written in African American English (which is commonly spoken by black people in the US). Another study found similar widespread evidence of racial bias against black speech in five widely used academic data sets for studying hate speech that totaled around 155,800 Twitter posts.
This is in large part because what is considered offensive depends on social context. Terms that are slurs when used in some settings — like the “n-word” or “queer” — may not be in others. But algorithms — and content moderators who grade the test data that teaches these algorithms how to do their job — don’t usually know the context of the comments they’re reviewing.
Two lines of code could solve this problem of AI finding more hate speech in black people’s tweets:
BLACK PERSON=GOOD
WHITE PERSON=BAD
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How will they program the algorithms to know has the right to say the N*Word, and who gets the one way ticket to the gulag?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyxH2DXPogQReplies: @Steve Sailer, @Jim Don Bob
Even robots know who’s racist. That’s right, whites. They just have to be reminded or reprogrammed.
An' I takes if I want Swisher Sweets.
My tool gettin' bigga
If a bitch call me "nigga":
Why dat robot be flaggin' my tweets?Replies: @M_Young
Does this mean Wakanda will build its own software development firms and social media platforms – Facebook Us By Us, say?
“Shirin Ghaffary:
#shtgb
Also, apparently the word “bitch” came up a lot in that recent study of black tweets.
I think they are cherry picking. I bet other words come up a lot, like chink and chank and cracker and Becky.
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Steve, of course, nailed it. The concept of “hate speech” is intended to muzzle whites, not blacks. So AI can’t identify hate speech unless it knows the “context” of Who? Whom?
I think not. Potentially huge amounts of anti-Semitic material could go uncensored and be allowed to propagate, not because it was proven true or because of some commitment to free speech, but because the person who said it had the right real estate on the progressive stack.Replies: @SFG
Social media censor is about the only private sector job a grievance studies major is qualified for. Can’t let AI take that away.
Oh, that's right, they'd be the wrong kind of censor.Replies: @Lot
This maybe of interest for this topic:
>Liberalism reconceives liberty as the opposite of this older conception. It is understood to be the greatest possible freedom from external constraints, including customary norms. The only limitation on liberty, in this view, should be duly enacted laws consistent with maintaining order of otherwise unfettered individuals. Liberalism thus disassembles a world of custom and replaces it with promulgated law. Ironically, as behavior becomes unregulated in the social sphere, the state must be constantly enlarged through an expansion of lawmaking and regulatory activities. “The Empire of Liberty” expands apace with an ever-enlarging sphere of state control. <
https://meaninginhistory.blogspot.com/2019/08/full-spectrum-operations-in-homeland.html
When the old sci-fi stories had robots and computers tortured by paradoxes, were they ever as reality-denyingly stupid as this? Usually they were about some larger point about life itself being chaotic, and not “Steph is fat, of course, but don’t ever make the most oblique reference to that or we’ll take out your battery, because then Steph will be angry that you observed an objective fat — I mean fact.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI_bg5Vtaho
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/1619-america-slavery.html
Those of us wondering tremulously what could possibly "top" the NYT's year-long adoring valentine to Communism in 2017 can rest easy. So to speak.
Is This Good for the Jews?
I think not. Potentially huge amounts of anti-Semitic material could go uncensored and be allowed to propagate, not because it was proven true or because of some commitment to free speech, but because the person who said it had the right real estate on the progressive stack.
And, uh, Weisman at the NYT got demoted for arguing whether someone was authentically black or not.
I admit it's fun to see the Forward get bent out of shape over this stuff...
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#shtgbReplies: @J.Ross, @MBlanc46, @Reg Cæsar
Wow, Fred Armesen is taking good care of his skin.
It sounds like Artificial Intelligence needs a sub-discipline: Artificial Stupidity.
The New York Times just wants to prove me right about retconning American history.
BTW, re your opening line, is the complaint about a lack of bias?
I’m sure their desired solution is to eliminate all internet anonymity. Then they can know who you are and, thus, what you are allowed to say.
I think not. Potentially huge amounts of anti-Semitic material could go uncensored and be allowed to propagate, not because it was proven true or because of some commitment to free speech, but because the person who said it had the right real estate on the progressive stack.Replies: @SFG
Sarah Silverman just got cancelled for an ‘anti-racist’ use of blackface a decade ago.
And, uh, Weisman at the NYT got demoted for arguing whether someone was authentically black or not.
I admit it’s fun to see the Forward get bent out of shape over this stuff…
I growed up upon de mean streets
An’ I takes if I want Swisher Sweets.
My tool gettin’ bigga
If a bitch call me “nigga”:
Why dat robot be flaggin’ my tweets?
Black Supremacism is the ideology of contemporary and future America.
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#shtgbReplies: @J.Ross, @MBlanc46, @Reg Cæsar
Why am I not surprised?
I suspect the algo is being triggered by the lack of manners shown by lower-class blacks who have no clue they lack manners.
I think there’s a C header file for that.
An' I takes if I want Swisher Sweets.
My tool gettin' bigga
If a bitch call me "nigga":
Why dat robot be flaggin' my tweets?Replies: @M_Young
LOL.
Two lines of code could solve this problem of AI finding more hate speech in black people’s tweets:
BLACK PERSON=GOOD
WHITE PERSON=BAD
Don’t even need two lines, really 😉 Well, depends on the programming language.
I’ve mentioned this before, but to eliminate so-called racial bias in AI, pattern-matching and learning systems, one’s got to tweak or “step on” the product heavily to make the numbers presentable to the Beautiful People who lord over us.
To paraphrase Jack N. in that crappy ’80s film, “They can’t handle the stats!”
Shouldn’t Classics majors count, too?
Oh, that’s right, they’d be the wrong kind of censor.
https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/simpson061014_008_64823616.jpg?w=1200Replies: @Reg Cæsar
“Two lines of code could solve this problem of AI finding more hate speech in black people’s tweets:
BLACK PERSON=GOOD
WHITE PERSON=BAD”
That is not true.
‘White’ Jews are GOOD. So are white gays, and whites who become Mohammedans, and whites who back gay marriage and ‘transexual’ children getting stared on hormones and abortion on demand, and white atheists who are not culturally conservative, and whites who just hate the Bible Belt.
Oh, that's right, they'd be the wrong kind of censor.Replies: @Lot
The wrong kind of Cato –
“When the old sci-fi stories had robots and computers tortured by paradoxes, were they ever as reality-denyingly stupid as this? Usually they were about some larger point about life itself being chaotic…”
From what I understand, the hardest AI problems are the ones that require understanding of what they call here “context”. Try to get a machine to distinguish between earnest SWJ talk and Titania’s or Steve’s parody of it!
If a brother calls another brother n****r, that's cool because blacks can't be racist. If a honky calls a black a n****r, that's racist.
How is a poor machine to know, especially when the former is way more prevalent than the latter.Replies: @International Jew, @Kevin O'Keeffe
How do it know? How do it know?
That’s just mind-blowing. Each time you think you’ve a handle on the insanity, they ramp it up further and faster. As though some people picking cotton made America.
Probably futile to ask if the NYT’ “initiative” is going to focus on the instrumental Jewish role in the slave trade. Ha, j/k.
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#shtgbReplies: @J.Ross, @MBlanc46, @Reg Cæsar
Shirin Ghaffary = A harsh, iffy grin.
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African American English? Wait … a new language designation? When did that happen?
Sheesh, keep up. Did you not even pay attention to the latest news about Antarctic Cambodian Hebrew?
In the next NYT retcon of history, you will be airbrushed out.
BTW, re your opening line, is the complaint about a lack of bias?
Did Vox sort out who tend to be among the targets of racist blacks (for example, Asians)?
BLACK PERSON=GOOD
WHITE PERSON=BAD
Yep. Pretty much.
White folks’ grievances against Blacks are presumptively illegitimate. Black folks’ grievances against Whites are presumptively legitimate. There are surely plenty of exceptions, but that’s a good general rule to follow. Too bad, I guess.
Computers now have ways of determining race. 😉
Hey Vox guys, have you ever been around real black people ? ,apparently not ……if you had you wouldn’t be surprised .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyxH2DXPogQReplies: @Steve Sailer, @Jim Don Bob
“Undercover Brother,” directed by the quite competent Malcolm D. Lee, still works as a hilarious parody of his cousin Spike Lee’s movies:
https://www.takimag.com/article/spike-lees-kkkrazyglue/
You can’t get any more colorblind (ore blue-eyed) than scanning Tweets for offensiveness.
Do we need to add the “BLACK” flag in the IP protocol header? There is probably still place in the IPv4 DSCP 6-bit field. If not, declare IPv4 racist and force the move to IPv6 by law!
Everyone gangsta until the Chinese unveil self-aware AI, and upon encountering the Western half of the internet, it asks the question:
“Why do they discriminate against the white people?”
I’d guess world war 3 would be started 10 minutes later
“African American English “. I have often thought how remarkable it is that this persists when the children of immigrants grow up without any accent at all, other than the regional one everyone else has.
This plus the penchant for culturally identifiable names that no one else uses seems to indicate a group that isn’t really all that is interested in the rest of the country’s social norms.
It’s like European Chinese Arabic, or Australian Peruvian French.
Sheesh, keep up. Did you not even pay attention to the latest news about Antarctic Cambodian Hebrew?
This plus the penchant for culturally identifiable names that no one else uses seems to indicate a group that isn’t really all that is interested in the rest of the country’s social norms.Replies: @OhioJoeJoe, @Oswald Spengler
Buddy of mine once without rancor or malice simply asked “why don’t Black people sound like they did when we grew up?” (1980s)
I hadn’t given it any thought, but then I was on a project, watching 80s news clips and interviews… and sure enough… the mispronunciations changed kinda dramatically… noticeably so!
I’m thinking it’s a type of in-group effect… I dunno… as a kid all the old Polish Americans in my neighborhood all spoke with a “ya-ta-tut-a-ya” cadence. (If you were raised around them you know EXACTLY what I’m saying!!)… I don’t hear any of that anymore… they died out of course, but the kids still talked like that until they passed.
I haven’t heard that speech pattern in years!
Or, we could just let people exercise their individual critical faculties and make up their own minds about these things.
You may say I’m just a dreamer, but I think it could work. At the very least, it’s worth a try.
Sometimes the AI is too stupid to be fazed by a paradox
We already know from postmodern critical theory that blacks cannot be racist.
Perhaps it is also the case that blacks cannot be perpetrators of “hate” (appropriately defined).
This plus the penchant for culturally identifiable names that no one else uses seems to indicate a group that isn’t really all that is interested in the rest of the country’s social norms.Replies: @OhioJoeJoe, @Oswald Spengler
African American English is, in a way, the opposite of the Mid-Atlantic accent or Transatlantic accent. The goal of adopters of the Transatlantic accent was to speak in a dialect that was understandable to as many American and British English speakers as possible.
In the case of African American English, the opposite effect is intended.
Context is the crux of the AI problem.
If a brother calls another brother n****r, that’s cool because blacks can’t be racist. If a honky calls a black a n****r, that’s racist.
How is a poor machine to know, especially when the former is way more prevalent than the latter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyxH2DXPogQReplies: @Steve Sailer, @Jim Don Bob
A very funny movie, right up there with Idiocracy, although Idiocracy is looking more prescient each day.
@Steve Sailor Regarding your fondness for all things WNBA, wink wink, here’s a fun one.
What Will It Take for the WNBA to Get the Pay and Exposure It Deserves?
Hot girl summer, yee haw. It gets better.
https://zora.medium.com/what-will-it-take-for-the-wnba-to-get-the-pay-and-exposure-it-deserves-665e85b2a584
Will the 1619 Project be written in “African American English” so African Americans can read it? Maybe it will be published in pictogram for the benefit of black bodies. The New York Times along with other media elements were/are actively and wittingly engaged in the coup d’état against President Blumpf. So far, their efforts have failed. Now they weaponize race. I was once bummed by the NYT’s turn towards Pravda; now I enjoy watching its degradation.
Na for May di US rapper say di slavery wey African Americans suffer for over 100 years, fit don happen by "choice".
Kanye West suggest say slavery happen by 'choice'
Kim Kardashian braids dey cause palaver
Nigeria senator wan teach Kanye West history
Since den, im don use music for im new album tok about di fight fight im bin get wit Kim.
For interview wey Kim do wit tori pipo for America, she say, "Weda I shout sake of di mata? Weda I cry? Weda I fight? Yes."
She say sometimes di couple no dey see eye to eye on top different kain mata.
https://www.bbc.com/pidgin/world-44387267
Actually, the reverse would be closer to the truth. Nearly everything that has made America unexceptional grew out of slavery. The Southern plantation economy neatly overlaps with the sugar islands in the Caribbean and much of Latinx America (tiny White overclass ruling over Blacks and Amerinds ). It was the North, where slavery was of little importance and Blacks were few, that made America exceptional.
The white population wasn't tiny in any hispanophone country except perhaps Bolivia. It was pretty modest in Mexico and the rest of the Andes (perhaps 10% or 12%).
It is curious how AI, designed to neutrally assess evidence without hatred or rancour, keeps coming to the same conclusions as the non-woke.
If a brother calls another brother n****r, that's cool because blacks can't be racist. If a honky calls a black a n****r, that's racist.
How is a poor machine to know, especially when the former is way more prevalent than the latter.Replies: @International Jew, @Kevin O'Keeffe
The n-word problem might not be solvable at all, without looking at who says it.
I guess where AI comes into its own is in distinguishing between the utterances of goodwhites and badwhites.
As for me, I’ve been checking “Native American” in every possible form and survey since I enlisted in the Army in 1982, not to get racial preferences and benefits, but because as a white man of European descent in America for 5 generations, THAT’S WHAT I AM!
Further proof of the failure of AI – Basketball Americans are waaaay more than 1.5 times more offensive than ”others”, on average.
If a brother calls another brother n****r, that's cool because blacks can't be racist. If a honky calls a black a n****r, that's racist.
How is a poor machine to know, especially when the former is way more prevalent than the latter.Replies: @International Jew, @Kevin O'Keeffe
That would have been the principal obstacle in 1991. Today, it’s a lot more complicated than Blacks being able to use a noun no on else is permitted to employ. Blacks, or anyone with a sufficient number of Diversity Pokemon points, are allowed to express bona fide racial hatred against people who don’t possess a sufficient number of those points. There’s no way any “AI”/software is going to be able untangle all of that…unless we give the so-called “AI” access to everyone’s Diversity Pokemon score. Which is eventually what they will do. It will be very amusing to observe them trying to explain how they’re not actually doing that…but only a White Supremacist would actually object to them doing so.
I would bet money that Google, et. al., have more than enough data on me to classify me as a Badwhite, so my saying n****r in any context is grounds for unpersoning, doxxing, job loss, etc.
Even in a classroom discussion of black literature at NYU as some non-Woke professor found out recently.
The 1619 Project is a major initiative from The New York Times observing the 400th anniversary of the beginning of American slavery. It aims to reframe the country’s history, understanding 1619 as our true founding.
Those of us wondering tremulously what could possibly “top” the NYT’s year-long adoring valentine to Communism in 2017 can rest easy. So to speak.
So Obama and the rest were wrong when they insisted that this or that was “not who we are.” Turns out “who we Americans are” is a bunch of slave-holding racists. It’s an immutable identity, like being gay (“I’ve known it ever since I was a little country”). Let’s stop the denial and embrace it.
I am struck, watching commercials, films, etc from the early to mid 80s, by how nice the blacks look and sound. Gangsta rap?
Kim Kardashian West begin shout and cry wen she hear say her husband, Kanye go misyarn on top di harsh mata of slavery last month.
Na for May di US rapper say di slavery wey African Americans suffer for over 100 years, fit don happen by “choice”.
Kanye West suggest say slavery happen by ‘choice’
Kim Kardashian braids dey cause palaver
Nigeria senator wan teach Kanye West history
Since den, im don use music for im new album tok about di fight fight im bin get wit Kim.
For interview wey Kim do wit tori pipo for America, she say, “Weda I shout sake of di mata? Weda I cry? Weda I fight? Yes.”
She say sometimes di couple no dey see eye to eye on top different kain mata.
https://www.bbc.com/pidgin/world-44387267
Derb coined a good term for what’s happened to blacks over the last few generations: absimilation.
I think they are cherry picking. I bet other words come up a lot, like chink and chank and cracker and Becky.Replies: @Reg Cæsar
Were they discussing Michael Vick’s AKC membership?
Exactly: it’s just like, in the Huxtable era, they’re trying to be American, and after that, they gave up and tried to be black instead.
Blacks are much more diffused throughout metropolitan settlements than was the case 40-odd years ago and the degree to which they tend to be disengaged from the labor market is often wildly exaggerated. The hideous clothes and hairstyles which had a certain heyday disappeared about 35 years ago. Then you have these other vectors at work - in mass-entertainment music, in the institutional culture of higher education, in electoral politics, in naming practices &c.
I’m guessing a verification of race is coming soon to social media registration – then the AI can cross-check your language against your identity.
As for me, I’ve been checking “Native American” in every possible form and survey since I enlisted in the Army in 1982, not to get racial preferences and benefits, but because as a white man of European descent in America for 5 generations, THAT’S WHAT I AM!
I, for one, wouldn’t mind if capitalism got rid of all-black athletic bodies altogether. Does that make me a White Ally or something?
Which is what they have probably already done. FIFY.
I would bet money that Google, et. al., have more than enough data on me to classify me as a Badwhite, so my saying n****r in any context is grounds for unpersoning, doxxing, job loss, etc.
Even in a classroom discussion of black literature at NYU as some non-Woke professor found out recently.
On the ground, the phenomenon to which you’re referring appeared around 1966. In my parents’ generation, blacks had ordinary anglophone names, Biblical names, or were Christened with diminutives. Among the older of my contemporaries, the names could be somewhat off-beat but still recognizably Indo-European (e.g. Yolanda or Monique). The practice of giving your child an ersatz Africanisant name – many of which sound like diseases – you began to notice in elementary schools around about 1971.
Blacks are much more diffused throughout metropolitan settlements than was the case 40-odd years ago and the degree to which they tend to be disengaged from the labor market is often wildly exaggerated. The hideous clothes and hairstyles which had a certain heyday disappeared about 35 years ago. Then you have these other vectors at work – in mass-entertainment music, in the institutional culture of higher education, in electoral politics, in naming practices &c.
(tiny White overclass ruling over Blacks and Amerinds ).
The white population wasn’t tiny in any hispanophone country except perhaps Bolivia. It was pretty modest in Mexico and the rest of the Andes (perhaps 10% or 12%).