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From Vox:

Karen: The anti-vaxxer soccer mom with speak-to-the-manager hair, explained
How the name “Karen” became an insult — and a meme.

By Aja Romano @ajaromano Feb 5, 2020,

If your name is Karen, Becky, or Chad, you may have noticed a growing trend of people using your name as an insult. Increasingly, “Karen” in particular has emerged as the frontrunner for the average “basic white person name” — a pejorative catchall label for a wide range of behaviors thought to have connections to white privilege.

Where a similar insult like “OK Boomer” stereotypes a specific generation, calling someone a “Karen” draws on associations people have built around extremely common names. But the stereotype the name conjures — at least in the US — is limited mainly to white women in their mid-30s or 40s. The archetypal “Karen” is blonde, has multiple young kids, and is usually an anti-vaxxer. Karen has a “can I speak to the manager” haircut and a controlling, superior attitude to go along with it:

“It’s a little bit of a commentary on white privilege, perhaps.” …

“Karen” isn’t alone in receiving this treatment. We’ve increasingly seen a lot of “basic white names” — commonly associated, rightly or wrongly, with Middle American white Protestants — being used in mocking memes that portray them as archetypes rather than individuals. …

This trend might have also gotten a boost from social media, according to Dr. I.M. Nick, a nomenclature scholar and former president of the American Name Society.

Dr. I.M. Nick was president of the American Name Society? Oh, c’mon …

Nick: Name expert

Okay, well, it turns out that there really is a Dr. I.M. Nick who really is an expert on names. She has recently published a book about names and Hitler.

But still …

Oxford Karen told me she’d seen the meme applied to other names like “Susan” and “Zach”— what she describes as “basic white people names.” …

“From a scientific point of view, there is nothing intrinsic about a personal name that makes it ‘black’ or ‘white,’” Dr. Nick told me in an email. “What I think is brilliant about the Key & Peele sketch is that it underscores the fact that personal names are often used to help create and reinforce discriminatory and injurious power differentials within societies.”

Dr. Nick:

In other words, names have always played a key role in reinforcing existing societal rules, including power imbalances. The “Karen” meme, in fact, is part of a long tradition — and a pejorative one at that.

Cleve Evans is a professor at Bellevue University in Nebraska who studies onomastics — the history and etymology of proper names. “There are myriad examples of words derived from names,” he told me in an email, including as racial or ethnic slurs. Names like “Paddy” and “Mick” functioned as anti-Irish slurs in the 19th century, while “Guido” was a common slur for Italians.

Evans said the takeaway wasn’t that “Karen” is an insult now, but rather that names have always been fodder for this kind of use. “They are just another linguistic item that’s possible to be associated with a particular group because of the perception that it’s common among that group,” he said.

It’s almost as if it’s fashionable to racistly insult whites for being white these days.

Isn’t this all really sexist?

Sexist is still bad. Racist, it goes without saying, is good, as long as it’s anti-white racism.

The current use of the “Karen” meme is almost always to call out the perceived entitlement and rude behavior of white women. But it’s easy to see each of these variants coming back to bite real Karens — and many people think the “Karen” meme itself is just a form of blanket misogyny. …

And sure enough, Karen Han, who writes for Vox sister site Polygon, told me that “sometimes people on Twitter do assume I’m white and respond to tweets that they disagree with that ‘Karen’ meme.” …

Future NYT headline: “Karens Slurred: Nonwhite and Drag Queen Karens Hurt Most”

“It’s definitely annoying to see, as a Karen who doesn’t think of herself as that kind of ‘can I speak to the manager’ attitude nor haircut (and also given that it’s usually defaulted to a middle-aged white woman),” Han said. …

It’s tempting to ask what a Karen — or a Chad, Stacey, Susan, Becky, or Kyle — can do to ward off this memetic derision; if, for example, there are ways you can work around or minimize the fallout related to your Basic White Person name. But Dr. Nick told me she felt that question was missing the point. “As a society, we often expect people to somehow modify their behavior to avoid becoming a victim,” she said. The better course, she proposed, would be to “work against the source of the name discrimination and protect those who are harmed by it.”

In this case, because the “Karen” meme doubles as a callout method to highlight white privilege, working against the source of the meme also means not only dismantling systems of privilege but becoming more of your individual entitlement.

 
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  1. @Paleo Liberal

    That is such a Samantha thing to say!

    It’s almost as if it’s fashionable to racistly insult whites for being white these days.

    The ‘names’ thing is a minor symptom. The disease is all around us: what’s called ‘being oppressed’ is actually ‘privilege’ and what we call privilege? Well, you can throw anything you want at those people.

    Funny how the actual ‘privileged’ people in our society remain quite untouchable. You don’t even dare speak of their privilege.

    • Agree: ben tillman
  2. Anon[423] • Disclaimer says:

    All good, as long as you don’t mind us calling you ‘chink, pajeet, nig-nog, beaner’, and whatever other mystery meat names you may have. 🙂

    • Agree: Nicholas Stix
  3. In this case, because the “Karen” meme doubles as a callout method to highlight white privilege, working against the source of the meme also means not only dismantling systems of privilege but becoming more of your individual entitlement.

    I’m generally pretty good at grokking the debased academese wokisms that filter into the vernacular, but I’m flummoxed by ‘becoming more of your individual entitlement’.

    Does anyone else have any idea what this is supposed to mean, especially if one is a Chad or a Karen?

    Also, Dr Nick is telling the Karens:

    The better course, she proposed, would be to “work against the source of the name discrimination and protect those who are harmed by it.”

    Who is being harmed by what? Is it Karens being harmed by name discrimination, or is it the people Karens oppress through the unholy power of their vicious, thoughtless Karenocitrocity? I think it’s the latter, but who can be sure?

  4. Huh, the article was written by a guido, not a hymie.

    • LOL: Rosie
  5. El Dato says:

    “Karen” meme doubles as a callout method to highlight white privilege

    That’s a new one.

    I thought it was a passive-aggressive way of people behind the counter (often colored) complaining about their customers (often white), or else a way of making fun of the white woman’s neuroses and telling her to chill out.

    Now it’s a “callout method” (a term borrowed from Computer Science?) to “highlight white privilege”? I don’t think so.

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Karen

    • Replies: @Spangel
    , @Michael S
    , @Thirdeye
  6. How come when I make a similar argument for using “Shlomo”, woke white Jews like Ezra Klein and Matthew Yglesias don’t find it compelling?

  7. @The Last Real Calvinist

    I’m generally pretty good at grokking the debased academese wokisms that filter into the vernacular, but I’m flummoxed by ‘becoming more of your individual entitlement’.

    It’s probably an incompleted draft sentence or mis-edit, with the intended harangue being that Karens need to work on “becoming more aware of your individual entitlement.”

    Or maybe it’s a call to adopt a ‘screw those woke nags’ mindset and to embrace whatever individual entitlement you deserve.

  8. @Lockean Proviso

    Yes, your first explanation is the most plausible, but I’d like to think it’s really the second that’s intended.

  9. Ano says:

    “As a society, we often expect people to somehow modify their behavior to avoid becoming a victim,”

    So true!

    Basic white people have learnt (some the hard way) to move house away from blacks, avoid groups of blacks in public places, stay out of ghettos, how to defend themselves, how to secure their homes, learnt to cross the street/not turn their back, and all sorts of other survival strategies.

    Others didn’t, and these are called your basic dead white person.

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
  10. This scene is one of the great Karen scenes of all time.

  11. Elli says:

    Checking my privilege, raising hand and admitting to talking to manager. Last two times, in last ten years, was to ask Shoprite and Walmart to train employees not to lick fingers when making change.

    China may have wet markets where you can buy epidemic virus with your live bats and ducks but no one is licking your phone in a cashless economy.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  12. My fave white-name is Poindexter – here from the late Nipsey Hussle, possibly the greatest exponent of light verse since Sir John Betjeman:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DE0VyNyXgAArCz-?format=jpg&name=small

  13. Of course, if white folks had any sense of humor, they would spread the meme: “Embrace your inner ‘Karen.’”

    Personally, I would like to spread the meme that “Dave” refers to a typically nerdy and noble white guy.

    As in, “Richard Feynman, Claude Shannon, and Jonas Salk were all such ‘Daves’!”

  14. Two Karens.

    • LOL: M_Young
    • Replies: @Foreign Expert
  15. SFG says:
    @Malcolm X-Lax

    Whose ox is being gored, of course.

    Ironically that’s such a Hebrew name its bearers are probably less likely woke than some of the Ezras and Matthews.

    • Agree: Malcolm X-Lax
    • Replies: @BB753
  16. Anonymous[190] • Disclaimer says:

    Then white Americans wonder why they have lost their “superpower” status to China, among other nations. White Americans are now a minority in the US, and what is left of white America is being destroyed by blacks and Hispanics and all cucks like Trump can do is bang on about creating “gud jerbs” for blacks, hoping that if they artificially create good jobs for blacks and give them a slice of the pie then that might stop them from strong arming whites for money instead.

    Most white Americans are totally oblivious to what is going on, you see them commenting on this site and many others, exasperated as to why their global influence and innovation is diminishing, they just don’t get it. I’ve lost count of the amount of white Americans I’ve seen berating the UK for buying Huawei 5G equipment, as if that’s all white Americans have to worry about. The US doesn’t even produce 5G equipment, that’s how stupid their whining is. (White) America today is a frail, senile old geezer who used to be a bully in his day but now frightens no one and is frustrated by it.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Endeavor
  17. Anon[184] • Disclaimer says:

    My black high school girlfriend was named Karen.

    It’s tricky coming up with names that are completely white.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    , @Anonymous
  18. I hate to see White women coming under attacks by SJWs and people of color. I remember how they defended us White men from demonization in the classroom, on TV and in the world of politics. Oh wait.

    I have no idea why so many White women thought they could save themselves by throwing us under the bus.

    • Agree: neutral
  19. Steve, Karen, just like Susan, was a common name about 20 years before your estimation. People named Karen are about 55 to 75 years old. That is, unless they are named Caryn or some other odd-ass spelling and it’s pronounced with the 2nd syllable accented. The latter forms are OK now because they are stupid. Stupid is in.

    • Replies: @Ganderson
  20. Dumbo says:

    If it’s again “all” women, it’s bad (sexist). But if it’s against white women only, then it’s good, or at least half-good.

    Too bad most white women did not get the message and are still pro-gay, pro-refugee, pro-multiculti, pro-BLM, pro-etc. And anti-white.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    , @Rosie
  21. @Elli

    Sure, you Elli! IMO, it’s well worth a few cases of the flu to keep from being part of the Mark of the Beast business. China is going flat-out Mark of the Beast. See Chipotle – no credit, no debit, and hold the E. Coli and Cash is King – Part 2 and Cash is King – Part 3.

  22. @RichardTaylor

    I have no idea why so many White women thought they could save themselves by throwing us under the bus.

    White women really are the main battleground in the culture war. The Left offers them the chance to be second-class members of the Fringe Coalition if they will denounce their race and turn on their men.

    About 50% of them – mostly the single cat lady types – say, “sign me up” for that deal.

  23. If you have the megaphone, anything can be an insult.

    In reality most “Karens” are good progressive neoliberals.

    Just flip it around on them. Call AOC Karen. She’s a basic white girl. Maybe Becky would sting more. Idk lol.

    Cancel culture is the ultimate “speak to your manager”

    If anybody refers to your white woman in a derogatory manner, knock them out. Otherwise , this is no big deal. We all know perfectly well that white women are not ok these days. Karen archetype is real and deserves to be mocked.

    • Agree: Kratoklastes
    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
  24. Anon[158] • Disclaimer says:
    @PhysicistDave

    Unfortunately “white values” is an empty category.

    Best bet is to identify as member of a religion. Christian values, Catholic values can be defended, under freedom of conscience/religion principle.

    ‘Protestant’ too, except it’s trickier because the WASP meme got embedded in the culture first. Also some national values from English common law.

    Very difficult to put right the corrosive Meme Culture. What exactly do conservatives wish to conserve, and all that.

  25. Anon[158] • Disclaimer says:
    @RichardTaylor

    @ I have no idea why so many White women thought they could save themselves by throwing us under the bus.

    Women will naturally respect a man exercising correct authority, as in willing to provide and protect her and her children.

    Men who cannot stake a claim to their own tiny kingdom, i.e. a home, are probably not the ones able to defend a larger territory.

    • Replies: @Slimer
  26. MEH 0910 says:

    I am not Herbert

    What does Herbert mean?

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  27. Anon[228] • Disclaimer says:

    This really slays me: Black women trying to make fun of white women’s names. What will they focus on next? White women’s hair?

    I think most white women are just fine to be basic Karen with the Karen hair rather than ghetto Bon’Quisha with the “nappy” hair.

  28. Anon[398] • Disclaimer says:

    Sheboon lol

  29. MEH 0910 says:
    @Anon

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whoopi_Goldberg

    Caryn Elaine Johnson (born November 13, 1955),[1][2][3] known professionally as Whoopi Goldberg (/ˈwʊpi/), is an American actor,[4] comedian, author, and television personality.

  30. Anonymous[406] • Disclaimer says:

    Why this animus against ethnic Burmese people?

  31. Garth says:

    I figure there is room to create a black (or whoever) name meme to stand for those who illegitimately claim victim status or who whine about white privilege.

  32. Garth says:

    Why not create a black (etc) meme for those who whine about white privilege or claim victim status for no good reason?

  33. Kronos says:

    It’s a good meme.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Altai
  34. Arclight says:

    I have to admit that I associate “Chad” with a boorish bro type of guy and have for years so it’s not an invention of the woke…but as always, it would be unacceptable for any publication to toss out some stereotypical black names to conjure up an image, even though the random collection of syllables that get thrown together is a hallmark of black American culture of a certain vintage. Key and Peele could though and it was pretty funny.

    That said, it seems to me from being around a lot of school age kids of all stripes at sports and so on, black naming conventions are shifting back to the more ordinary. There are still some unusual names (including white kids at times) but around half don’t have recognizably “black” names. Quite a contrast to my younger years at a vibrant public school, although even the black kids there recognized how strange some were and relentlessly needled classmates with the most exotic variations.

  35. Anonymous[283] • Disclaimer says:
    @Arclight

    “Chad”, you don’t hear that term used so much any more, probably because the idea of a white Alpha male has become increasingly improbable. Even “Chad” is a cuck these days who most white women despise.

  36. @Arclight

    Sometimes a normal first name just part of a veiled weirdness. I knew a black guy named Joe. His middle name was Majesty.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    , @Bubba
  37. This is starting to happen just as the United States is about to become a plural union of minorities, with White people as just another minority group.

    Now we have Karens and Beckys to go equally with the Guidos, Hymies and Micks. And the DeShauns, Mohammeds and Changs. And the Josés. Lots of Josés. And lots of Patels to come!

    Are our (ancestors’) own words coming back to haunt us?

  38. @The Last Real Calvinist

    I just want to note that presumably predestinationist commenter The Last Real Calvinist is questioning the meaning of “becoming more of your individual entitlement” and is being answered by presumably pragmatic humanist commenter Lockean Proviso to the effect of “just re-edit it or adopt a ‘screw those woke nags’ mindset and embrace whatever individual entitlement you deserve.”

    Is this peak meta for iSteve comments?

  39. Is there a more vanilla, blond, Swiss Alps, white name than Heidi?? No, I didn’t think so.

    https://pagesix.com/2020/02/06/heidi-klum-says-she-was-called-a-white-woman-for-defending-agt/?_ga=2.115096071.1677327037.1581058144-437260410.1580788169

    Heidi Klum says she was called ‘a white woman’ for defending ‘AGT’

    HeidI Klum tells Page Six that she received a racial backlash after she seemed to dismiss Gabrielle Union’s claims that she suffered under a toxic work environment while serving as a judge on NBC’s “America’s Got Talent.”

    In November, reports came out that Union had been let go from the position after she lodged complaints of racism and inappropriate workplace behavior on set, which then went unaddressed.

    At a Television Critics Association event in January, Klum — who was a judge on the show for six seasons — said, “I’ve only had an amazing experience [on the show]. I can’t speak for Gabrielle. I didn’t experience the same thing. To me, everyone treats you with the utmost respect.”

    But on Wednesday at the amfAR gala at Cipriani Wall Street, Klum told us, “A lot of people got mad at me. I was called, for example, ‘a white woman.’” She added, “I think it is important for everyone to speak their truth. I think that when there is a story, it should be told. I had a different story.”

    Klum said, “I can only speak to what I saw — it has nothing to do with what color I am. I am a human so I just looked at what I saw.”

    Whatever, flaxen-haired kraut.

  40. Neoconned says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    When “the reaping” comes & the dollar collapses & our stock and risk markets collapse….what Zero Hedge calls “the great reset”….bond defaults etc

    When the welfare stops and the mobs go after us….throw those women & coal burners to the mob.

    • Agree: Dtbb
  41. Tex says:

    Sexist is still bad. Racist, it goes without saying, is good, as long as it’s anti-white racism.

    I beg to differ. Racism is always and invariably bad. But anti-white racism isn’t even racism. By definition, there is no such thing as anti-white racism since people with no access to institutional systems of power cannot be racist. An oppressed person might draw attention to the systemic erasure of minorities perpetuated by privileged people, but that ain’t racism, Karen.

    Do try to keep up with woke word salad.

  42. Anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:

    “Chad” isn’t an insult. Can’t these people get the basic facts right?

    • Replies: @Anonymousse
  43. Gabe Ruth says:

    Technical note: the Karen archetype is not an anti-vaxxer. This is a thoughtless slander from someone who is unable to distinguish between white subcultures. Karen trusts the MSM and all official experts implicitly.

    • Agree: Kratoklastes
  44. “Nick? What does that mean?”
    “Nothing, my dad thought of it while he was shaving.”

    (From about 1:00, just after the meaning of “Hillary”)

  45. Russ says:

    “From a scientific point of view, there is nothing intrinsic about a personal name that makes it ‘black’ or ‘white,’” Dr. Nick told me in an email.

    That alone should secure her her Nobel Prize.

  46. DuanDiRen says:

    Laugh all you like – I clicked through to I.M Nick’s bio page, and it is freaking inspiring. She studies aliases and suicide notes! As a (failed) academic myself, I freely admit to burning with envy.

    • LOL: Cortes
    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
  47. BB753 says:
    @SFG

    There’s a certain Shlomo Fundaminsky who wrote an ancient Hebrew grammar.
    BTW, is it ok to use Shanniqua and Shantavius is a derogative way?

  48. Karen Pence, our Second Lady…
    Could this be an indirect attack on Trump?

  49. Spangel says:
    @El Dato

    I think the author of the article is misreading the use of “Karen” so it fits the narrative.

    Becky is what black women call white women they resent. Karen is not used as insult from minorities to white women. Karen is basically a white to white insult, usually used by younger whites, even children, against middle aged white women. Examples are-

    Middle school kids might call their stuffy teacher a Karen if she shushes them often.

    People who make memes of stupid beliefs spouted by anti vax moms would call them Karens.

    Karen doesn’t really have to be white though the stereotypical Karen is. If a black woman is very anti vax and posts about it often on social media, most of Reddit would happily call her a Karen too.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Jim Christian
  50. Meanwhile, at Faceberg….

    Facebook Accuses News Site The Post Millennial of ‘Hate Speech’

    https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/02/06/facebook-accuses-news-site-the-post-millennial-of-hate-speech/

    Facebook has reportedly flagged the Canadian news site he Post Millennial for hate speech against “white women.”

  51. I’ll accept the sanctions against Karen and Chad so long as those who sanction must bear monikers ending in -qua or -keisha (female) or beginning with la’ (m ale). That is, those sub 85s would never be allowed to have white people names.

  52. c matt says:
    @Arclight

    Funny, because I have seen Chad used on the DR to refer to Alpha males and their Alpha maleness. More of a compliment than a dis.

    Becky, on the other hand, typically refers to the NWL who ends up a statistic of her diversity pets.

  53. And sure enough, Karen Han, who writes for Vox sister site Polygon, told me that “sometimes people on Twitter do assume I’m white and respond to tweets that they disagree with that ‘Karen’ meme.” …

    Oh, my… Karen Han is…

    BLONDE????

    I’ve suddenly lost all sympathy for her…

    /s

  54. Karen is a fine name. The most insufferable White girls are named Heather and Meghan.

  55. songbird says:

    Isn’t this basically the same thing that they tried to destroy Mel Gibson for?

  56. @Almost Missouri

    Is this peak meta for iSteve comments?

    BEHOLD — peak metal for iSteve comment handles (#151):

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/white-disprivilege-explains-flight-from-white/#comment-3123132

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  57. Ragno says:

    Can’t recall who it was, but half-a-century ago, a comedian noted that we aren’t given names so much as we grow into them: “you tell your problems to a Lillian; but a Lil tells you her problems.” (Wait – “Lillian”? Hmmm. Maybe it was 75 years ago, at that.)

    Naturally, this only works one way: everyone already knows that Jamaal or T’Shingaa are code for “I’m sorry, the position has been filled”, and self-evident truths do not require their own memes. But – like isolating “Shlomo” or “Menachem” for further study, calling attention to the wrong sorts of names often ends with a surprise notice from the Chase Manhattan Bank informing you that your accounts have all been closed. For good.

    Safer by far to belittle “Chad” and “Karen”, and maybe, every now and then, “Mohammed” (so long as there are plenty of free-range Shlomos and Shulamiths about, you can easily get special dispensation to mock the occasional Mohammed)

  58. @Buzz Mohawk

    America was founded by philosemitic Freemasons, so it is not surprising how it all turned out.

  59. Thirdtwin says:

    “The archetypal “Karen” is blonde, has multiple young kids, and is usually an anti-vaxxer. Karen has a “can I speak to the manager” haircut and a controlling, superior attitude to go along with it.”

    Weird. That describes “Express Lane Erica” almost perfectly.

  60. theMann says:

    Debbie, Suzie, Betty Jo? Plenty of White Girl names. Karen is a name I would associate with an Eastern European supermodel, hard to think of it as a veiled racial insult. maybe they should use Elsie or Bertha instead.

    Of course, when addressing non-White women, the universal salutation of “Yo, Bitch” always works.

    Women do have a Universal Neurotic Index number, which doesn’t need to be all that high for them to tantrum over a name. Personally I prefer the salutation of “pretty cupcake” because it makes them look like such an absolute Ass in front of other women when they flip, and they will. But then I have a mean streak so don’t follow my advice.

  61. I.M. Nick
    Grrr, U.R. White
    Let’s fight!

  62. Dr. Nick is a bit of a Pat, with a touch of Shaniqua.

    I’ll bet she’s spoken to more managers than George Steinbrenner.

  63. Chu says:

    I always like the term ‘Ned’

  64. @PhysicistDave

    “Dave” refers to a typically nerdy and noble white guy.

    Can confirm.

    • Agree: David
  65. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Redneck farmer

    Youre literally an Adolf.

  66. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Okay Sven.

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
  67. @Almost Missouri

    Deserve’s got nothing to do with it.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  68. This is only a meme in the overactive imaginations of bubbleheads who think they’re really sticking it to whitey this time. Pepe the Frog is a meme. Chad/Karen is a lame insult obviously derived from Tyrone/Shaniqua, and as such it is not very effective. Calling Dr. Nick ‘Shaniqua’ will send her into orbit. Apart from a handful of neurotic progfems nobody is going to hear ‘Karen’ and come away with a breast heaving like Margaret Rutherford’s believing she’s been insulted; they’ll just assume they heard another black person babbling about some nonsense and go about their day.

    On a side note, are there any black people at all who do any serious work, say, studying Russian policy in the Arctic or assessing the environmental damage caused by the uptake of digital technology? Anything? I know I’m wholly sick of women making retards of themselves in the pages of the NYT; are there any black people with my problem?

  69. @PiltdownMan

    Nice try but I think they are Pwo Karens.

    • LOL: PiltdownMan
  70. @Buzz Mohawk

    What about the three-fifth clause?

    I doubt your founding fathers were talking about Bamboo American, Burito American, Pajeet American etc but rather kith and kin as explained by Pat Buchanan (on Jefferson) a while back.

  71. I’ll make all of the Dr Nicks and Karen memers a deal. I’ll hire all of the Karens and Chads and Kyles and they can hire all of the Dontes and Mikaylas and we’ll see who fares better making assumptions around names.

  72. J1234 says:

    According to the left: The best way to fight inequality is with inequality in the other direction. The best way to address the problem of privileged classes is to create different privileged classes. And now…the best way to fight ethnic stereotypes is with what they apparently consider opposing ethnic stereotypes.

    And how to accomplish this? Credentialism. When a person on the street says something biased or ignorant, it’s biased or ignorant, but when a college professor says something biased or ignorant, it warrants attention…and opinion magically becomes fact.

  73. So Karen is a blonde with multiple children who will not put up with any guff from deadbeat employees and goes to the manager? I wish we had more Karens.

    • Agree: Lot
  74. Call Them Karens!

    But that’s racist!

    This may explain the very high Rohingya/Karen ratio in news coverage:

    Several of the [Karen] speakers acknowledged the importance of having an ally like President Trump leading America. Lotplar Laywah, one of the leading activists, referred to the president as having “a well-known reputation by being the champion in a fight for universal human rights. People around the world look up to this [Capitol] hill when their rights are being threatened…”

    Most Karen are Baptists as a result of the pioneering missionary work of Adoniram Judson in the early nineteenth century.

    https://juicyecumenism.com/2018/06/27/karen-christians-burma-genocide/

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    , @captflee
  75. @Desiderius

    Agree … from the Calvinist perspective.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  76. @Reg Cæsar

    True, there is genocide against the Karen in Burma.

    Hey, it’s Burma. Genocide is what they do.

  77. syonredux says:

    “Karen” isn’t alone in receiving this treatment. We’ve increasingly seen a lot of “basic white names” — commonly associated, rightly or wrongly, with Middle American white Protestants — being used in mocking memes that portray them as archetypes rather than individuals. …

    Look, ya gotta be careful. Make sure that you’re using a name that slams WASPs and not Jews…..

  78. CCZ says:

    Diversity, Inclusion, and video comments full of references to Karen and Karens:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPHPcDv409c&feature=youtu.be

  79. syonredux says:

    Rashida Jones played a Karen on The Office….

  80. 1661er says:

    Oxford Karen told me she’d seen the meme applied to other names like “Susan” and “Zach”

    I thought the Suzanne got its turn in the sun during the Great Recession due to that infamous “Suzanne researched this” 6% commercial in 2006, representing those formerly upward mobile aspirational suburban white women.

  81. J.Ross says:

    ——- and a meme. [crushes meatspace candy with a hammer]
    That’s not how that works. That’s not how any of this works.

    The left, truly, cannot meme, because memes must pre-exist, and be the truth, and the painful truth if possible. The left wants Tabula Rasa and the “remaking of the world,” which forces them to hate the truth and cuts them off from meming. Also, a one-word epithet used in namecalling to deride an entire ethny is not a meme anyway, it’s a slur. The Wurlitzer would lose no time babbling about a “dogwhistle” if we all agreed to use the name Trayvon to describe Trayvons. Apparently dogwhistles are only right-wing.

  82. J.Ross says:
    @Kronos

    But, per well-established memes, that’s the official hairstyle of miscegnation, so …
    ——-
    Apparently there’s a weak trend on Twitter of a certain-religio ethnic group (connected by arms sales and propaganda campaigns to various wars) hassling working class white people they catch using the wrong word or failing to grant a discount. Interesting that this is the exact same behavior (seeing the manager), so the distinction is racial. As the brother of the head of the New York Stock Exchange once screamed, “It’s not your country, filthy goyim!”

    • Replies: @Kronos
  83. My nomination to the endowed chair in onomastics would be Jim Goad:
    https://www.takimag.com/article/the_jacksun_also_rises_jim_goad/

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    , @Bubba
    , @Lot
  84. sayless says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    I don’t understand “the source of the meme.” Does that mean the group targeted by the insult, or the creator of the meme?

    Not every leftist writes as badly as this, but the only people that I’m aware of who do write as badly as this are leftists.

  85. @Anonymous

    The US doesn’t even produce 5G equipment, that’s how stupid their whining is.

    The Huawei ban, which Australia also adopted, and New Zealand for most of last year, has nothing to do with protectionism– which shows how stupid your bitching is.

    We don’t want Chinamen in Shenzhen diverting all our private data to their spymasters in Peking.

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
  86. Altai says:
    @Kronos

    There is scope to turn this around and recontexualise this as actually being a convert anti-Italian/Jewish slur.

  87. Thanks for keeping me up to date on all the important cultural stuff about “hair” and “Becky.” And now “Karen.”

    As an “OK Boomer” you can understand that I wouldn’t have a clue.

  88. Rosie says:
    @RichardTaylor

    I have no idea why so many White women thought they could save themselves by throwing us under the bus.

    How have White women thrown you under the bus?

    As per usual, non-Whites accuse us of racial loyalty and hate us for that. White men accuse us of lack of racial loyalty and hate us for that.

    How many women outside the Judaized academic freakshow indicate any hostility at all to White men?

    • Agree: More R1b, Less H1B
    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @HammerJack
  89. Lurker says:

    Dr S’haniqua Nike sez. . .

  90. Rosie says:
    @Rosie

    Whatever shall we do with these man hating White feminists?

  91. Ian Smith says:

    Don’t call me Karen, Shanisha!

  92. Way OT: I took one for the iSteve team this morning and saw the new Harley Quinn movie Birds of Prey, starring Margot Robbie. She is made up like a female joker and is the only good thing in a movie that is boring, stupid, and chock full of fights where 100 lb you-go gurlz dispatch large men with just one punch. It also stars Jussie’s sister Jurnee Diana Smollett-Bell as Black Canary.

  93. My wife and I call our GPS Suzy. She has a sexy, breathy, but distinctly White British voice. The GPS, not my wife.

    • Replies: @danand
  94. Oxford Karen told me she’d seen the meme applied to other names like “Susan” and “Zach”— what she describes as “basic white people names.” …

    A clue in the NYT crossword a few weeks back was “Girl’s name that was #2 in 1960 and #959 in 2017. ”

    The answer was SUSAN.

    It’s dropped out of the top 1000 since, joining Karen and Carol. Will that be the next “white privilige” name?

    White privilege would be the ideal issue for one candidate– Donald Trump.

    Suggestion for a spot: a young Becky mother tucks her children into bed. They ask, “Mom, what’s the new president going to do?” ” He (she) will make you pay for my white privilege.”

  95. A friend of mine really hated the “Short People” song because she was short. It was her experience that average people don’t get sarcasm. Besides the fact that Randy Newman sucks and is a tall person, interestingly enough.

    I like to call people a “Denzel” or a “Ukee.”

  96. captflee says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Say, this whole Invite the World deal is really catching on, innit? Forty years back one would have to fly to Bangers, train up to Chiang Mai and Land Cruiser up and down some rutted track across the Burmese border, then commence dispatching handfuls of bahts to the ever so charming KMT lads manning the numerous checkpoints (an employee of the US “A.I.D.” (hah!) being most helpful in that regard) to meet yer gen-yoo-wine Karen tribesperson. Now it would appear that one (assuming one is based in the States) can dispense with all that flying and train riding. What a time to be alive!?

    • Replies: @Kibernetika
  97. According to a travel industry expert op-ed in The New York Times restricting the spread of pandemic might be racist.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/05/opinion/china-travel-coronavirus.html

    • Replies: @anon
    , @HammerJack
  98. Richard B says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    Blacks are to explanation what they say Whites are to dancing.

    Except that Whites can actually dance.

    Yeah, there’s Vanilla Ice. True.

    But at least the choreography in his videos was better than the choreography of both of Obama’s election victories.

  99. Muggles says:

    How about Hilda? Heidi? Olga?

  100. @Desiderius

    Social contract theory → legitimacy → just deserts = deserve’s.

    • Thanks: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Desiderius
  101. anon[282] • Disclaimer says:
    @Spangel

    Agree, it invokes the name-fad phenomenon. Karen is/was a boomer name.

  102. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Lol yeah I had forgotten about that. I was probably unconsciously channeling it with my comment.

    iSteve rewires the entire brain.

  103. Anonymous[277] • Disclaimer says:
    @RichardTaylor

    I have no idea why so many White women thought they could save themselves by throwing us under the bus.

    Because within the (middle class) white ecosystem white women are accorded a special “victim” status; we treat them with kid gloves and cowtow to their whims and sensibilities. They then naively assumed that the rest of the (non-white, non-middle class) world would also treat them as such. Whoops.

  104. @Alan Mercer

    I knew a German guy named Johannes. A black lady of mutual acquaintance always referred to him as “Yo’ Highness”.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  105. @Hypnotoad666

    “mostly the single cat lady types”

    The single cat ladies are a fading demographic. The real problem is the self-described “dog mom”.

  106. @rational actor

    This is only a meme in the overactive imaginations of bubbleheads who think they’re really sticking it to whitey this time.

    http://www.reddit.com

  107. @International Jew

    Oh man, that Jim Goad article is so funny I can’t finish reading it. Laughing too hard.

  108. @MEH 0910

    The space hippie episode. Sixties Star Trek was woke before Woke. The third season was mostly crap.

  109. Oh no, another expert who reads 4chan pol for talking points. Doesn’t speak well for the expert’s intellect, but does for the autistics’.

  110. Bubba says:
    @Alan Mercer

    LOL! I’m surprised his middle name wasn’t Mama. Most blacks have been given preposterous first names that must have been made when their pregnant mama was opening an old kitchen drawer full of loose metallic utensils.

    • Replies: @Alan Mercer
  111. danand says:
    @The Alarmist

    “My wife and I call our GPS Suzy. She has a sexy, breathy, but distinctly White British voice. The GPS, not my wife.”

    Alarmist, good there’s no “tension” between your wife & Suzy. Would you mind sharing the model of GPS?

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  112. Rosie says:
    @Anonymous

    They then naively assumed that the rest of the (non-white, non-middle class) world would also treat them as such. Whoops.

    Right. I had lunch with the girls the other day and that was the general consensus.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • LOL: Bubba
  113. Bubba says:
    @International Jew

    Thanks for memories! I nearly forgot about that brilliant column!

  114. Anonymous[567] • Disclaimer says:

    Best way to demean White women is to go to UNZ.com and join in the endless denunciations and nasty degrading comments about White women.

  115. @Redneck farmer

    Huh, the article was written by a guido, not a hymie.

    Not necessarily. “Romano” has a history as a Sephardic Jewish surname.

  116. @Malcolm X-Lax

    How come when I make a similar argument for using “Shlomo”, woke white Jews like Ezra Klein and Matthew Yglesias don’t find it compelling?

    And in a similar vein, how come when I make a similar argument for using “Aunt Jemima”, “Boy”, or “Buckwheat”, a woke black like Dr. I.M. Nick wouldn’t find it compelling?

    • Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax
  117. Michael S says:
    @El Dato

    Yeah, Karen has nothing to do with race or callout culture, it’s just a polite term for “basic bitch”.

    • Replies: @anon
  118. Dr. I.M. Nick was president of the American Name Society? Oh, c’mon …

    Well, it could have gone to Dr. Star Vanguri or Dr. Evgeny Shokhenmayer.

    https://www.americannamesociety.org/about/

    Dr Cleveland Evans has been there for many decades, and is probably still the real force.

    Evans’s counterpart in the UK is Leslie Dunkling, who also collects pub names.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leslie_Dunkling

    This had to be the source of the Teacher’s Pet character’s name. They probably had his name dictionary on their shelves. Which, by the way, is one of the best.

    https://disney.fandom.com/wiki/Leslie_Dunkling

  119. Endeavor says:
    @Anonymous

    More jobs for blacks is not really appreciated by blacks. Most I know were hoping for an income without resorting to work.

  120. danand says:
    @rational actor

    “Calling Dr. Nick ‘Shaniqua’ will send her into orbit.”

    Rational, how much farther out would she go if we called her Queasia?

  121. @Malcolm X-Lax

    When I am referring to a generic Polish person, I will call him Wojciech or Zbigniew. Similarly I use Moishe for Jews.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  122. @Anonymous

    we treat them with kid gloves and cowtow to their whims

    Can we spare our ruminant friends the microaggressions?

  123. Slimer says:
    @Anon

    Women will naturally respect a man exercising correct authority, as in willing to provide and protect her and her children.

    While women might ”respect” men who exercise “correct authority”, they only “like” men with attractive faces. And this is why white women throw you all under the bus…because they find the bottom 90% of you unattractive and no longer have to rely on your financial support. It’s not racial though, since all women would behave the same way if they had the means to do so. Studies show that women are distrustful of men and have a very strong preference for being around their own gender. Their ideal society consists mostly of other women, and a handful of highly attractive males, similar to lions.

    • Disagree: Desiderius, Elli
    • Replies: @Anonymousse
    , @nebulafox
  124. @Not My Economy

    Cancel culture is the ultimate “speak to your manager”

    That ought to be in the comment section of the original article, and in the social media timeline of the author.

    It is a magnificent sentence.

    The fact that the author of the original article is (apparently) oblivious, should be brought to everyone’s notice.

  125. Svevlad says:

    I have 2 solutions:

    1. anyone makes fun of your name beat them
    2. start using Slavic and Indian names. They can’t insult you because they can’t pronounce it, and it strikes fear into them

    Anyways, funny moment just occurred: all candidates, 25 thousand of them, failed the entrance exam for the Liberian university

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/27/all-candidates-fail-liberia-university-test

  126. anon[242] • Disclaimer says:

    Does uni-cultural Japan have to endure this kind of tiresome banal bad manners?

    (yes this is a rhetorical question)

  127. J.Ross says:

    Vice: I stopped advocating for the environment out of racist hatred.
    Bonus: first reply on twitter is from based Tarl, laughing satanically at them.

    https://archive.is/l0fez

    https://archive.is/N2jPn

    ——
    Both traitor Vindman brothers fired. So, if you abuse a governmemt office in an attempted coup d’etat, you … lose your job?

  128. anon[242] • Disclaimer says:
    @Michael S

    ha ha, not long ago the pop-culture hectored men on this, scolding us that we should accept the fact that strong, independent women exist.

    Then the not-White population saw the expiration date on the White majority and starting celebrating the demise of both male and female YT asap.

  129. @Anonymous

    Sven’s even better than the ones that always spring to mind for me: Gunther, Otto, Horst and Ernst.

    Sven’s less anachronistic.

  130. Kronos says:
    @J.Ross

    the brother of this guy?

  131. trelane says:

    Average White Band:

  132. anon[173] • Disclaimer says:
    @PhysicistDave

    I would like to spread the meme that “Dave” refers to a typically nerdy and noble white guy.

    Dave’s not here.

    • LOL: Paleo Liberal
  133. Ganderson says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I’ve been a high school teacher for 35 years. Taught very few Karens

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @anonymous
  134. @Reg Cæsar

    We don’t want Chinamen in Shenzhen diverting all our private data to their spymasters in Peking.

    It’s a bit late for that: all those cheap CCTV cameras that were installed to ‘keep us safe’, are web-facing at the back-end.

    It has been a ‘known known’ since ~2007 that their firmware will ‘phone home’ if it detects a web connection, and it should be taken as read that anything stored on a .gov server is available to anyone with an IQ above 80 who spends an hour learning about pen-testing.

    Remember: the firms that installed this shit literally everywhere (including within ‘secure’ buildings) were all vetted before they got awarded the contract.

  135. Rob says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    I’m generally pretty good at grokking the debased academese wokisms that filter into the vernacular, but I’m flummoxed by ‘becoming more of your individual entitlement’.

    Does anyone else have any idea what this is supposed to mean, especially if one is a Chad or a Karen?

    I’m neither a Chad or a Karen, but I think this is not standard phrasing and what te meant to write was ‘becoming more of aware (or maybe) critical ofyour individual entitlement’

    I do admit I could be totally wrong.

  136. Lot says:
    @International Jew

    Update on Cleveland murderer Riodejuonerol Hudson: he lost his last appeal 11 months ago.

    https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca6/18-3519/18-3519-2019-03-12.html

    His sister Saintlarenzcway Hudson was devastated.

  137. JimB says:

    What does “Dr.” I.M. Dick of the American Name Society think about Iranian-American couples naming their daughters Negar.

  138. @Spangel

    Becky is what black women call white women they resent. Karen is not used as insult from minorities to white women.

    Maybe it ought to be. Here’s a Karen (Britt McHenry) with the manager:

  139. @Bubba

    It’s a tradition among some mothers to name the child after the first thing she sees after giving birth. Hence the joke of naming the main character “Ashtray” in “Don’t Be a Menace…”

    I knew a girl named Aquanetta. After the hair spray or the actress? It could have been either, or both.

    • LOL: Bubba
  140. anonymous[117] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ganderson

    You missed the boat, Ganderson. Karen was a very common name for Boomers. Linda, too.

  141. @Jim Don Bob

    They shouldn’t. Nor should the “Karens” and “Beckys”. But this doesn’t stop the Kleins and Yglesiases of the world from advocating this kind of dismissive racial shaming (not unlike “boy”) only for non-jewish white people.

  142. Anon[567] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    UNZ isn’t a support group for ugly creeps who can’t get laid. Find a support group for ugly creeps who can’t get laid

    • Replies: @Ragno
    , @Anonymousse
  143. Anonymous,[603] • Disclaimer says:
    @Arclight

    Stick with the names of disciples and common saints and you wont go wrong.

  144. anon[368] • Disclaimer says:
    @Clifford Brown

    Written by a woman who would rather be dead than racist. Or rather be dead than uncool.

    After noting that most infected people won’t die. Not very reassuring, that speculative factoid.

    The author has a degree in environmentalism, so it is safe to assume she is innumerate.

  145. @Hypnotoad666

    Trump got 53% of white women’s votes. Are yoy sure you are accurately describing Republican women? [email protected]

  146. @MikeatMikedotMike

    At least her dad had good taste in music.

  147. @DuanDiRen

    She studies aliases and suicide notes!

    Interesting. So she would be responsible for trying to apprehend Pierre Delecto and Carlos Danger. Stuff like that?

  148. @Clifford Brown

    If we all just stop talking about it, it’ll go away! As usual, the Chinese have the best, forward-thinking ideas.

  149. @Rosie

    How many women outside the Judaized academic freakshow indicate any hostility at all to White men?

    Well there’s you, for starters..

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    , @Rosie
  150. @captflee

    By golly, my friend! You’re not daring to suggest that USAID programs come with conditions and a bunch of other stuff! My goodness.

    It’s ironic that most of us in the USA have never even heard about these programs nor had any comprehension of the budgets involved, while the folks on the receiving end — ostensibly the recipients of our aid — harbor no such illusions.

    Imagine for a moment if all of our USAID cash was spent in the USA. Every inner-city kid would go home with ten years worth of organic and top-quality food for the entire family (such as it is). And the kids might take the cash and spend it on Skittles rather than organic spinach… shit, well, we’ve got unique issues here…

    Money talks. But money can’t always buy the folks whose stomachs aren’t completely empty, nor the folks whose ideological drive is greater than their hunger.

    As a person once told me in a weird place, they stopped participating in a program because they figured out that the boss was an obvious US plant. Money talks, but we continually underestimate people. Hubris is a weakness.

  151. Dan Smith says:

    Does speak to the manager hair look like I’m a street ho hair? Asking for a friend.

  152. MBlanc46 says:
    @Dumbo

    I’m surprised that Rosie hasn’t jumped you yet.

  153. Ragno says:
    @Anon

    UNZ isn’t a support group for ugly creeps who can’t get laid. Find a support group for ugly creeps who can’t get laid

    Why? So they can pay you dues?

  154. Thirdeye says:
    @El Dato

    There’s use for shorthand names for certain personality types, not strictly by race, Karen is one example, for an entitled, imperious not-so-young woman. But if it were Hillary instead of Karen it might be clearer. La’Queesha might be used for another type of entitled imperious woman, maybe with a louder mouth than Karen, possibly younger, and more prone to violence.

  155. @Anonymous

    Yeah I noticed that too… it’s interesting that as much time as they spend kvetching about “hate groups”, “fascists”, the “radicalized angry white males” etc… that they aren’t even familiar with the most basic and common slang among young people on the right.

    I know antifa/journolist/intelligence complex types are all over /pol/ and religiously listening to therightstuff.biz . You’d really think standard leftist middle management apparatchiks would know at least the basics of the scene by now.

  156. Joseph A. says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    I didn’t know that Lt. Col. Vindman was transitioning . . .

  157. @Anon

    It’s funny how basic bitch leftists think that “getting laid” is both difficult and salutary. Reinforces the idea that they aren’t very familiar with life and their worldview is just distilled TV show plots.

  158. @Slimer

    Your “studies” sound SUPER interesting, legitimate, generalizable, and definitely replicable… but have you ever spoken to a human woman?

    Their ideal society consists mostly of other women

    I’m thinking this is pretty good evidence that no, no, you really haven’t.

    • Replies: @Slimer
  159. Slimer says:
    @Anonymousse

    Your “studies” sound SUPER interesting, legitimate, generalizable, and definitely replicable… but have you ever spoken to a human woman?

    Women are conditioned to be polite so as not to hurt men’s feelings. They’re afraid that men will become violent upon hearing the truth. E.g., “I just want a man with an attractive face that makes me orgasm and I don’t really care about all that other stuff.”

    If there was no social pressure for women to be monogamous, no pressure to give average guys a chance, what percentage of men would have sex? And what would those men look like? More like Tom Brady or more like the typical UNZ poster? Exhibiting dominant behaviors – or exercising “correct authority” as the other poster calls it – is regarded by women as scary at worst and annoying at best if you’re face is unarousing. Women essentially settle for less attractive men due to social pressure, but it’s not what they really want. They really prefer to mate and socialize as part of a harem.

    • LOL: Rosie
    • Replies: @Anonymousse
  160. @danand

    Would you mind sharing the model of GPS?

    It’s OEM in my SUV, so I don’t really know.

  161. Rosie says:
    @HammerJack

    Well there’s you, for starters..

    I don’t attack White men except to the extent necessary to respond to the constant attacks against women, as you well know. This was very dishonest of you.

  162. Rosie says:
    @Dumbo

    Too bad most white women did not get the message and are still pro-gay, pro-refugee, pro-multiculti, pro-BLM, pro-etc. And anti-white.

    No evidence, as usual.

  163. @Desiderius

    Haha, good one.

    But,

    Individual + individual + individual + … = social.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    , @anon
  164. @Almost Missouri

    Seriously?

    Are you familiar with the iPhone?

    The whole point of the original individual entitlement referred to is that it is not subject to social constraints, whether contractural or otherwise.

  165. @Desiderius

    IOW, Locke and Calvin good, the successor ideology bad, more or less, though Locke would have done well to have reflected more deeply on The Guarantor, without Whom we currently wallow in such nonsense with his beloved contract nowhere to be seen.

  166. @Desiderius

    Well, a few individuals here, a few individuals there, and soon you’ve got a society.

    I confess I don’t understand the iPhone business.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  167. @Almost Missouri

    That was Locke’s hope. Turns out he was wrong. The ligaments tying those otherwise atomized individuals together into a society (including contracts) turn out to be both as essential as the individuals themselves and not just some emergent phenomenon that spontaneously self-generates. Those ligaments need to be contiuously and actively maintained and renewed.

    We call that process religion.

    The iPhone business is that if everyone is on their phone they’re no longer socializing. Thereoretically they’re doing so online, but meatspace is way underrated.

  168. anon[350] • Disclaimer says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Individual + individual + individual + … = social.

    Not necessarily.

  169. @Slimer

    They really prefer to mate and socialize as part of a harem

    This sounds a lot like some creepy sex fantasy and/or incel cope. Considering that you’ve also presented zero evidence for this idea and considering that it’s also contrary to most people’s life experience… I’m going to go with Occam’s razor on this one.

    If you’re not some old and bitter thrice divorced guy you should be heartened by this. Things aren’t NEARLY as bad as you think and you’re all set to be positively surprised that even in our degraded culture a lot of women are surprisingly decent. A lot of them despair of meeting decent guys actually.

    More like Tom Brady or more like the typical UNZ poster?

    This is an odd statement. Do you have photos of unz posters that you’re referencing here? Given that intelligence is correlated with income, height, attractiveness, humor, etc. odds are your average unz poster is quite a catch. If you’re basing this on your sample population of ONE that you see in the mirror… consider a gym membership and some grooming. Otherwise you’re basically the male version of the body positivity cows with purple hair and pierced septums.

    • Replies: @Slimer
    , @nebulafox
  170. Slimer says:
    @Anonymousse

    If you’re not some old and bitter thrice divorced guy you should be heartened by this. Things aren’t NEARLY as bad as you think and you’re all set to be positively surprised that even in our degraded culture a lot of women are surprisingly decent. A lot of them despair of meeting decent guys actually.

    This is an odd statement. Do you have photos of unz posters that you’re referencing here? Given that intelligence is correlated with income, height, attractiveness, humor, etc. odds are your average unz poster is quite a catch. If you’re basing this on your sample population of ONE that you see in the mirror… consider a gym membership and some grooming. Otherwise you’re basically the male version of the body positivity cows with purple hair and pierced septums.

    I’m not convinced that UNZ posters are all that intelligent, despite that almost all of them claim to have an IQ of 120 at least. But supposing it’s true…the fact of the matter is…any relationship between good looks and intelligence significantly weakens once you surpass a certain threshold. Otherwise, Nobel Prize winners would look like super models. Fact of the matter is, while women might reluctantly settle for “above average” their hearts want nothing less than the cream of the crop.

    Again, I ask you: What percentage of men would have sex if it was entirely up to women? I.e., no social pressure to give those “decent guys” a chance. Whatever the answer is, you can be sure that those are the only men that women are genuinely attracted to and they wouldn’t shed a tear if the remainder of the male population simply left them alone. In other words,hitting the gym and bragging about your IQ won’t make you a catch with women, although you can probably find women who reluctantly “give you a chance.”

  171. Ganderson says:
    @anonymous

    I know- my family was classic boomer- kids in ‘46, ‘51, ‘54 (me) and ‘59. One of my sisters was named Karen

  172. nebulafox says:
    @Slimer

    Dude, seriously: ditch this attitude, go outside, and actually get to know some women. Turns out they want the same thing we want in the end, despite the massively different dating circumstances and biological impulses.

    I promise, you’ll thank me later.

    >Their ideal society consists mostly of other women, and a handful of highly attractive males, similar to lions.

    Have you SEEN how women treat each other? Many of them seek out male friends specifically to get some relief from the cattiness and backstabbing they get with other women, despite the risk of unwanted romantic attention. The idea that the world would be a peaceful place if dominated by women is ludicrous.

    I used to really envy how easy women tended to have it with dating and getting laid. (Not the same thing as securing a life-partner: that’s hard for everybody!) But then I saw how they treated each other and realized that for every advantage in life, there’s also a disadvantage.

    >I’m not convinced that UNZ posters are all that intelligent, despite that almost all of them claim to have an IQ of 120 at least.

    My honest guess is that my IQ is 110, 115-ish. That’s above average (nothing to sneeze at, I’m still in the top quarter), but not much more. I’m still here. 🙂

  173. nebulafox says:
    @Anonymousse

    Don’t you think it’s funny that people are having a harder time finding partners than ever despite having the Internet? Maybe it is partially because of that. Dating has become more and more like a second job, especially for men. I’ve known guys in the Bay Area who actually pay to outsource that work elsewhere.

    I find that getting off online dating massively helps. People are more willing to compromise and give people chances if they make a good impression in a way that they wouldn’t if they saw that person’s profile on a screen. People are way more pleasant, too. Of course, usually that requires making friends and creating new social outlets first, but whoever said that’s a bad thing?

  174. Perhaps the fearless negress would care to make “Menachem” a racist slur, justifiable by virtue of confronting “privilege”?

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