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A friend writes:

In answer to your question about why the cities were taking so long to come in?

This is a long tradition in machine-controlled cities. The inner city areas, especially in poor neighborhoods always come in last. I remember covering the 1989 NYC Mayor’s race when Dinkins barely beat Rudy. Giuliani was ahead the entire night, but you could see the massive shift when Harlem came in around midnight. Raymond Jones of Tammany Hall (the Willie Brown of his day) used to call that “gleaning the harvest.” Back when they were machine-controlled (like the 1960s), Mayor Daley would hold back the “River Wards” to see what the Republican total outside Chicago and how many he needed to overcome it.

The Teddy White story you tell is spot-on — with one detail missing: in Doris Kearns’ book about the Kennedys, she reports (as did Len O’Connor in his book on Chicago), that Daley deliberately withheld a few dozen precincts from “the River Wards” while reporting to the press that all of Chicago’s wards had reported. (Every ward had submitted some returns, but not 100% of precincts). When the Downstate Republicans in the wee small hours of the morning turned in their final numbers, Daley then entered the “River Ward” votes. (See Kearns, page 805). And the rest is history…..

BTW, the rough tactics we are seeing are no doubt in response to the hardball played by Bush (both brothers) and Rove in FLA 20 years. The polls closed in Tampa (with a substantially Black population) with voters still in line. They were legally entitled to vote and Jeb “shut it down” in the approving words of Paul Gigot in the Wall Street Journal.

So, once again, we see how costly Rove was to the Republican Party……

Another friend tells me that the Chicago tradition is not to steal votes retail (i.e., a person voting as himself then coming back and voting as his dead grandfather) but wholesale.

After voting closes, precinct workers call in the number of registered voters who didn’t show up, and get the word back about how many more votes are needed.

If the big guys can stall on reporting long enough until the other side has laid their cards on the table, many times you don’t need to invent any votes because you’ve won honestly.

They don’t do it every election, just in close ones where a smidgen of additional votes are needed. Sometimes they get carried away and try to close too big of a gap to pass the laugh test, as in the 1982 Illinois gubernatorial election when Adlai Stevenson III was about 10 points behind in the polls. They almost pulled that one off until an overlooked load of Republican leaning ballots was discovered in DuPage County a few days after counting began.

But when they get over ambitious, like in 1982, guys can get convictions on their records. They might have gotten away with 1982, but Stevenson was a naive aristocrat who demanded a recount, which just exposed a lot of dirty laundry.

Adept vote concoction is a traditional folk art practiced mostly in big cities with a Catholic political heritage from roughly Boston in the east to maybe Kansas City in the west. You’ll notice that in Arizona, the late vote count has mostly been favoring Trump.

 
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  1. They’ve stolen Georgia. I hope and pray they find another 25k ballots 99% of which are for Biden.

    A black judge threw out trump’s legal challenge in Savannah—a poll watcher wasn’t sure if a small stack of ballots was received on time.

    Is this all the Trump team can do?

  2. But this is, was, and is so blatant.

    It’s taking them DAYS to get the fake votes needed.

    There’s a great conversation on my facebook page right now….

    The Gentile Liberal with the Last Chance At Sex/Kids Jewish Gf wrote ‘Why is it taking so long?’ yadda yadda

    And the Jewish response was …and this is almost a quote…’What does it matter as long as Shit Gets Done’

    ————–
    NC, Michigan, Penn, and Georgia State Legislators should all pass laws to hold a New Election with the same exact laws as Florida and Georgia. That’s what should be done. In a sane world, that’s what would be done.
    ——

    I’m curious about the deal the Republicans worked out with the Democrats over all this cheating.

    • Replies: @Thoughts
    @Thoughts

    Florida and Ohio--misstype

    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Thoughts


    I’m curious about the deal the Republicans worked out with the Democrats over all this cheating.
     
    Wouldn't surprise me.

    Supposedly Trump was messing with everyone's lobbying income streams.

    I can easily see the GOPe offering to roll over if they could keep the Senate.

    Then, everyone in official DC can return to gorging themselves at the trough, no harm, no foul.

    Replies: @ThisIsAnon153Replying

    , @Justvisiting
    @Thoughts

    They could have easily cheated by printing an additional five percent fake mail-in ballots in all the swing states and then forged signatures--counted them all on election night--and nobody would have been the wiser.

    America is so dumbed down these days--we can't even properly steal an election!

  3. The gop establishment is very quite.

    No one is GA is saying anything.

    They have their Supreme Court justice and the senate maybe do perhaps they don’t care.

  4. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:

    Mayor Daley would hold back the “River Wards” to see what the Republican total outside Chicago and how many he needed to overcome it.

    Excuse me, sir, are you unaware that Wikipedia says this is a myth?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1960_United_States_presidential_election

    A myth arose that Mayor Daley held back much of the city’s vote until the late morning hours of November 9. Yet when the Republican Chicago Tribune went to press, 79% of Cook County precincts had reported, compared with just 62% of Illinois’s precincts overall. Moreover, Nixon never led in Illinois, and Kennedy’s lead merely shrank as election night went on.[70]

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    But I bet those 21% of Cook County precincts that hadn't reported weren't a bunch of unreliable Lakefront Liberals, but were instead led by good friends of Hizzoner.

    Nobody seems curious in 2020 about why urban districts with the highest population densities and the shortest travel distances are the slowest to count their votes.

    Replies: @Ali Choudhury, @Barnard, @Hangnail Hans, @Intelligent Dasein, @megabar, @Kronos

    , @nebulafox
    @Anonymous

    Well, I wouldn't rely on Wikipedia for reliable modern political history. But I will point out that there were plenty of voting irregularities in downstate Illinois, too. Illinois politics has always been outrageously corrupt: just look at the list of governors that went to jail.

    Do I have a hard time buying that Hizzoner and Co. made sure Chicago's graveyards turned up for election? Absolutely not: in Chicago, it would be more shocking if that did not happen. But part of the reason that Nixon did not challenge was because he knew what the downstate GOP was up to and did not want to set off that arms race. I do not remember the name, but one Republican said something to the effect of "they cheated more than we did, fair and square", which probably comes closest to the truth.

    , @The Alarmist
    @Anonymous

    Gee, does a WikiPedia already have a page for Election Fraud 2020? All of the MSM are referring to Mr. Trump’s allegations of fraud as baseless and unfounded because, hey, “We in the MSM only deal in facts.” Since the science of US vote counting is settled, Mr. Trump’s allegations should already be noted in WikiPedia as being a myth too.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  5. Adept vote concoction is a traditional folk art practiced mostly in big cities with a Catholic political heritage from roughly Boston in the east to maybe Kansas City in the west.

    And you yet you call your president “leader of the free world”. He didn’t even have the wherewithal to command his own twitter account ffs, yet now you blame the Irish Catholics?!

    The bloke is a meshuganah and sellout of the highest order who has already received his reward with an Israel suburb named after his handing over of Syria’s Golan Heights to Israel.

    He’ll be alright. His future is the least of your worries.

    • Replies: @ken
    @Pat Hannagan

    Lighten up, Patty. And bagpipes suck.

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Pat Hannagan

    "Adept vote concoction is a traditional folk art practiced mostly in big cities with a Catholic political heritage..."

    Before Pakistanis and Bangladeshis arrived in large numbers, the only vote fraud tradition I was aware of was in the Catholic bits of Ulster.

    And Ireland has been pretty corrupt for a long time. Guardian, no friend of Britain, in 2000.

    https://www.theguardian.com/theobserver/2000/sep/03/features.magazine57


    Haughey was a career politician whose annual salary even as Taoiseach in the 90s never exceeded £75,000 per annum. Yet more than £8.5m flowed through Haughey's secret bank accounts to fund his lavish lifestyle.

    The hidden accounts, the secret transfers, and the network of the rich and powerful who made out their cheques to 'Charles Haughey & Co' point to one conclusion; that Charles Haughey ran for public office to make himself rich and then ran Ireland and the Irish State for the benefit of his cronies. It was a neat quid pro quo and the quid ended up in Charlie's pocket...

    For the past 40 years, bribery and corruption, rather than elections, were the life-blood of Irish politics.
     
  6. Are there more recent examples than 1982? It’s the same excuse making as the Dems with Facebook and Russian interference being responsible for 2016, although it’s probably useful to rile up the rubes so both parties will keep alleging foul play. Trump lost by being less appealing to white men than he was in 2016.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    @Ali Choudhury

    If the right person wins, vote/electoral fraud doesn't get investigated.
    It's a bit like voter suppression; it only happens in big elections. In off-year elections, the Democratic party doesn't want many of its supporters voting in the wrong Democrat.

    , @bomag
    @Ali Choudhury


    same excuse making as the Dems with Facebook and Russian interference
     
    At least Steve's example is true.

    Are there more recent examples than 1982?
     
    Yes, but they're not a popular topic in general; kind of like parents not discussing past affairs with the kids.

    This time we are seeing a widespread, coordinated strategy on the part of Dems to weaken voting laws and let enough chicanery flourish to help their side.
    , @Dumbo
    @Ali Choudhury


    Trump lost by being less appealing to white men than he was in 2016.
     
    From what I've read, Trump in 2020 got 10% more votes (in absolute numbers) than in 2016. What's extremely unusual is that an even higher number of people voted for Biden. Maybe voters decided that this election was *really* important. Maybe they didn't have much to do during the lockdown and decided to vote by mail. Or maybe...

    Replies: @fnn

    , @Polynikes
    @Ali Choudhury

    Google is your friend (not literally, ha!): https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47323556

    , @fnn
    @Ali Choudhury

    One of those racialized consent decrees:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/vote-fraud-never-happens-except-where-it-does/#comment-4267447
    None of this is new. It’s just being Noticed a bit more because a 1982 court agreement is no longer in effect. This is very important, here is a pro-R source on the topic. The facts are not in dispute, however. For 36 years the R’s have been unable to contest fraudulent voting nationwide because of this 1982 judge.

    https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/end-of-1982-consent-decree-gop-finally-can-contest-vote-fraud-after-36-years/

    , @MBlanc46
    @Ali Choudhury

    You simply don’t know what you’re talking about. Perhaps they don’t do that sort of thing in India, but they sure do in Dem-controlled American cities.

    , @Sebastian Hawks
    @Ali Choudhury

    "Are there more recent examples than 1982?"

    The theft of the Washington State Governor's race in the 2000's

    The Al Franken theft in the Senate race.

    The shenanigans in Florida in 2018

    There's a long history of democrats keep doing recounts over and over "finding" more ballots until suddenly they are ahead, then no more recounts. In Minnesota they "found" 300 ballots in a trunk of a car. This is counter to the normal evidentiary process in such things as artwork and antiques. Could you imagine what they would say if you said you have found an unknown painting by Rembrandt and when asked to document the recorded history of the item you said it first appeared in the trunk of a car? No one would accept the authenticity of the item.

  7. Adept vote concoction is a traditional folk art practiced mostly in big cities with a Catholic political heritage

    What could he mean by this

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    I think he's saying that there is a strain of politician corruption in the cultures of those with Catholic backgrounds that is much less evident in the culture of Protestants.

    There is at least some truth in that. Consider European politics: the crooked politicians in Europe seem to come from Southern and Eastern Europe, much less so from Northern Europe and the UK.

  8. Seen on Reddit:

    – Error and Fraud at Issue as Absentee Voting Rises, New York Times, Oct. 6, 2012
    – Building Confidence in U.S. Elections, Commission on Federal Election Reform, Sep. 2005
    – Purity of Elections in the UK: Causes for Concern, Stuart Wilks-Heeg of the University of Liverpool on behalf of the Joseph Rowntree Reform Trust, 2008
    – UNITED STATES OF AMERICA 2 NOVEMBER 2004 ELECTIONS OSCE/ODIHR NEEDS ASSESSMENT MISSION REPORT, Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe’s Office for Democratic Institutions and Human Rights, 7-10 September 2004
    – UNITED STATES OF AMERICA GENERAL ELECTIONS OSCE/ODIHR Limited Election Observation Mission Report, Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe’s Office for Democratic Institutions and Human Rights, 6 November 2012
    – UNITED STATES OF AMERICA GENERAL ELECTIONS OSCE/ODIHR Election Observation Mission Final Report, Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe’s Office for Democratic Institutions and Human Rights, 8 November 2016
    – Handbook for European Union Election Observation, 2nd ed., European Commission, February 2008
    – Out of Country Voting, ACE Project Electoral Knowledge Network
    – Election Observation Handbook, 6th ed., Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe’s Office for Democratic Institutions and Human Rights, 2010
    – Mail-in ballots were part of a plot to deny Lincoln reelection in 1864, Washington Post, Aug. 22, 2020

    Haven’t actually read any of these but apparently they all say mail-in ballots more fraudey than regular ones, provide examples

  9. Look, let’s see the demographics here.

    The USA is (legally) what, 63% white? And white population is concentrated among Boomers and Silents. Who knows what the illegal population is. But let’s say that ~55% of working age people are white.

    It’s not far off from brazil demographics. A country that is 45% third world will be, well, third world. I know more non whites voted Republican. A “right wing”/nationalist 3rd world country is still 3rd world (Brazil, Philipines). No shit the Dems cheated. Republicans don’t understand that it’s a new game.

    The USA has been on borrowed time for a *long* time. It’s just now starting to catch up to reality. And this is only the beginning.

    • Replies: @Hangnail Hans
    @ThisIsAnon153Replying

    In Brazil the white people don't hate white people. That's a pretty fundamental difference. Though, wouldn't you know it , a cadre of 'usual suspects' are trying to change all that.

    Replies: @Dandy

    , @bomag
    @ThisIsAnon153Replying

    Agree.

    The other day, I heard some immigrants remark that they don't mind paying taxes in the US, because they believe they actually get something for their money, as opposed to the home country, where tax money just feeds a patronage network.

    Heh.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @ThisIsAnon153Replying


    No 💩 the Dems cheated. Republicans don’t understand that it’s a new game.
     
    Democrats have been cheating since the very beginning. They have 200 years of experience in an old, old game. Digital Daleyism is just the console game version. Super Mario Andrew, if you will.

    Republicans were-- and are-- a gaggle of goo-goos who came together to combat the "twin relics of barbarism", slavery and polygamy. Both of which were themselves instances of Democratic cheating, though under the cover of law.

    Utah wasn't the first place in the world to practice universal female suffrage because of Seneca Falls. They derived it from another upstate village-- Palmyra.

    , @Anonymous Jew
    @ThisIsAnon153Replying

    In terms of maintaining civilization most of our Asians can be counted as White. Regarding random crime and home invasions, the number of Blacks is a better guide.

    But yes, our demographics will continue to catch up with us. Look at LA (basically Mexico with slightly more rich White people) and Detroit and Baltimore (no exceptions the world over to Black-majority states).

    But Brazil has its South and we have...the Northwest?

  10. Fraud only happens when it’s needed. That makes me feel better.

    The GOP must know and are pretending not to notice. They want Trump out too. But if Trump demands a recount maybe some fraud will be uncovered.

    No free speech, no right of association, career ruined for private conversations. That’s the USA now. Remind young White men, whatever they’re doing in the military, just look out for themselves. They aren’t fighting for anybody’s freedom anymore.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @RichardTaylor


    They aren’t fighting for anybody’s freedom anymore.
     
    https://youtu.be/5V6GHnxEJjg

    If Chicom Joe is successfully installed I never want to hear about 1776, 1865, 1945, or 9/11 again.
    , @Goddard
    @RichardTaylor


    Remind young White men, whatever they’re doing in the military, just look out for themselves. They aren’t fighting for anybody’s freedom anymore.
     
    White men should acquire military-style training but not serve in the U.S. military.
  11. @Anonymous

    Mayor Daley would hold back the “River Wards” to see what the Republican total outside Chicago and how many he needed to overcome it.
     
    Excuse me, sir, are you unaware that Wikipedia says this is a myth?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1960_United_States_presidential_election

    A myth arose that Mayor Daley held back much of the city's vote until the late morning hours of November 9. Yet when the Republican Chicago Tribune went to press, 79% of Cook County precincts had reported, compared with just 62% of Illinois's precincts overall. Moreover, Nixon never led in Illinois, and Kennedy's lead merely shrank as election night went on.[70]
     

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @nebulafox, @The Alarmist

    But I bet those 21% of Cook County precincts that hadn’t reported weren’t a bunch of unreliable Lakefront Liberals, but were instead led by good friends of Hizzoner.

    Nobody seems curious in 2020 about why urban districts with the highest population densities and the shortest travel distances are the slowest to count their votes.

    • Replies: @Ali Choudhury
    @Steve Sailer

    Because there are a lot more to be counted compared to a thinly populated rural county?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Hibernian

    , @Barnard
    @Steve Sailer

    Just spitballing here, but it might have something to do with the general competence of the people working in these districts. When you look at the way a city like Detroit is run by the people who live there, what makes you think there is any chance they would be able to quickly and accurately process election results?

    Replies: @Redman

    , @Hangnail Hans
    @Steve Sailer

    The way it works is, we only discover election fraud decades after the fact, usually when the major players are dead and gone.

    Then everyone can act shocked, shocked at the skullduggery back in the old days. Or they can just laugh at what people "used to" get away with. Nobody would dare try that today, except maybe those fanatics in the other party.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    , @Intelligent Dasein
    @Steve Sailer


    Nobody seems curious in 2020 about why urban districts with the highest population densities and the shortest travel distances are the slowest to count their votes.
     
    They aren't curious because they already know.
    , @megabar
    @Steve Sailer

    > Nobody seems curious in 2020 about why urban districts with the highest population densities and the shortest travel distances are the slowest to count their votes.

    I'm not disputing that there are irregularities.

    But as an anecdote, I will say that I went to an urban fast food joint a week ago, and I don't think I'm exaggerating when I say that the cashier took 20-30 seconds to get my change from the cash register. I could see him do it and there wasn't any particular issue; it was just that everything he did was incredibly slow.

    , @Kronos
    @Steve Sailer


    Nobody seems curious in 2020 about why urban districts with the highest population densities and the shortest travel distances are the slowest to count their votes.
     
    For some reason this scene comes in mind.

    https://youtu.be/0woPde7OE1k
  12. @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    But I bet those 21% of Cook County precincts that hadn't reported weren't a bunch of unreliable Lakefront Liberals, but were instead led by good friends of Hizzoner.

    Nobody seems curious in 2020 about why urban districts with the highest population densities and the shortest travel distances are the slowest to count their votes.

    Replies: @Ali Choudhury, @Barnard, @Hangnail Hans, @Intelligent Dasein, @megabar, @Kronos

    Because there are a lot more to be counted compared to a thinly populated rural county?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Ali Choudhury

    Does it take longer to get other things done in densely populated cities than in rural areas?

    Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan, @Thoughts, @Ali Choudhury, @Anonymous

    , @Hibernian
    @Ali Choudhury

    Ever heard of economies of scale? There's no (good) excuse for the delays were seeing. They have machines to help count the ballots.

  13. Anonymous[692] • Disclaimer says:

    Surely, but surely, the answer is to use ‘public’ and ‘private’ key style encryption technology – as Elon Musk made a fortune from – and I phones – which every dirty little shit-ass seems to own.
    Simply, private keys can be issued uniquely to each registered voter over the internet, for a once only use and correspondence with the public key.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Anonymous

    That would be great. Every Democrat committeeman ( "committeeperson") could visit every senior citizen, 18 year old, convicted felon and homeless person on his block and show him/her how to install the voting app and which button to push in order to vote the straight Democrat ticket. You might have to bribe them a bit - maybe you could arrange for indigent voters to receive an Obamaphone paid for by some grant program. Maybe a government one or maybe Soros or Bloomberg are feeling generous this year and will arrange for all voters to receive phones. If the homeless guys sell them for drugs the next day, well whaddaya gonna do.... You wouldn't have to round them all up and get them to the polls on Election Day. Man, that's like herding cats. You could have weeks or months to get 100% of the people in your district to vote Democrat. This is just democracy - you're not against democracy, are you? Do you want to suppress the votes of Black people? Mail voting is a lot like this, but electronic voting would be even better!

    Dems have been wanting to get rid of the secret ballot - once you get the voter in the booth, there's no telling who he's going to vote for. It's such a bummer when you pay people a bribe and they don't keep up their side of the bargain. Admittedly most of them do, but some of them get confused when they go in the voting booth and fill out the wrong circles. Getting 93% of the black vote is not enough. It should be AT LEAST 100%.

  14. Maybe Repuglycans should start cheating in elections too? Or plan a coup.
    I mean why not, at this point. It’s a banana republic already anyway.

    • Replies: @Thoughts
    @Dumbo

    That's what will happen...

    But when both parties cheat it will devolve into a Shoot Out

    And that's how Mexico/Latin America happens

    Remember, at the end of the day, El Chapo was a stereotypical white dude with wide face

    , @Known Fact
    @Dumbo

    At this point the republic is giving bananas a bad name

    , @AnotherDad
    @Dumbo


    Maybe Repuglycans should start cheating in elections too? Or plan a coup.
    I mean why not, at this point. It’s a banana republic already anyway.
     
    Maybe we should start by just proposing the obvious: Separation.

    A nation presupposes a people.

    We are not one people.

    Our political arguments are not fundamentally over "taxes" or "spending" or "health care" or even "war and peace". They are arguments over identity and legitimacy.

    Is America the nation of Washington, Jefferson, Franklin? Are we the nation of settlers and pioneers? Is America a great achievement? Are we a republic with majority rule, federalism and constrained, limited government? Are we a child of Anglo-Saxon peoples and culture? Are we rooted in Western civilization?

    Or are we "a nation of immigrants"? Those founders just a bunch of slave owning or "slavery adjacent" racists? Our real founding in 1619? "The 'dreamers' are our future!" "Civil rights" our constitution? The Supreme Court the final authority? "Diversity our greatest strength?"

    I say yes to vision A. (And furthermore that vision B is not just false, but logically incoherent).

    They say yes to vision B.

    ~~

    Separate peoples. So ... separate nations.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Keypusher, @Bernard, @Anonymous

    , @Anon
    @Dumbo

    The problem with a coup is that the leadership of the US military is extremely globalist ( mattis) and SJW,

    https://www.amazon.com/Stand-Down-Warriors-Destroying-Americas/dp/1621579182/


    At one point Obama purged just about every right leaning general/admiral.

    https://redstate.com/stu-in-sd/2020/09/15/the-adverse-effects-of-obamas-eo-13583-and-fogo-purge-are-now-obvious-n254356

    https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/197-military-officers-purged-by-obama/

  15. Don’t you have observers from both parties in each precinct controlling the vote counting?

    It’s amazing you can get away with those shenanigans in a developed country, there has been full blown dictatorships in Europe, but no European country who would pass as Democracy would allow such behaviour.

    • Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    @Hugo Silva


    Don’t you have observers from both parties in each precinct controlling the vote counting?
     
    Not necessarily. In Michigan, Gretchen Whitmer forcibly removed GOP observers from offices in Detrot, citing COVID concerns. Meanwhile, the Democrat-controlled and immensely corrupt PA State Supreme Court ruled that the Trump campaign has no inherent right to observe counts in Philadelphia.

    The bigger problem is that our media is completely controlled by the enemies of the American people.

    Replies: @Redman, @ben tillman

    , @bomag
    @Hugo Silva


    Don’t you have observers from both parties in each precinct controlling the vote counting?
     
    Sometimes. But as seem in Philly, and locally in my western backwater, they get chased out.

    But even with observers, when you get sacks of late "found" ballots, they may look legit but are just filled in from the voter rolls.
    , @anon
    @Hugo Silva

    Don’t you have observers from both parties in each precinct controlling the vote counting?

    Yes and no. When the D observers outnumber the R observers by 3:1 or even 4:1 then "observing" becomes more difficult. When R observers are escorted out of the vote counting center, to the cheers of D observers, because of "covid" or something, that is suggestive by itself.

    When the observers are kept 2 to 3 meters away there are things they cannot easily see. Covid has provided the D's with a useful tool in the form of social distancing.

    None of this is new. It's just being Noticed a bit more because a 1982 court agreement is no longer in effect. This is very important, here is a pro-R source on the topic. The facts are not in dispute, however. For 36 years the R's have been unable to contest fraudulent voting nationwide because of this 1982 judge.

    https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/end-of-1982-consent-decree-gop-finally-can-contest-vote-fraud-after-36-years/

    , @Stan Adams
    @Hugo Silva

    America isn't nearly as European as it used to be.

    Replies: @Gordo

    , @Anonymous
    @Hugo Silva

    In the districts where counting was 'halted' for the night, the observers went home. When they returned the following morning, the counting was complete, and a Trump lead had turned into a Biden lead.

  16. @Ali Choudhury
    @Steve Sailer

    Because there are a lot more to be counted compared to a thinly populated rural county?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Hibernian

    Does it take longer to get other things done in densely populated cities than in rural areas?

    • Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    @Steve Sailer

    Steve,

    https://twitter.com/GregAbbott_TX/status/1324578495591337984

    Moreover, we could ask, why in the world did Cleveland not take forever to report? Could it be that Frank LaRose is a better Secretary of State than the SPLC woman running Michigan's vote? What about big cities in New York, or even Chicago this year - it's almost as if it happened only in big cities in competitive states.

    P.S. I'm proud of you for questioning the narrative.

    It's incredible how many people on Unz are burying their heads in the sand.

    , @Thoughts
    @Steve Sailer

    Not in Florida, Texas, and Ohio...they were fine...

    Curiosity is rare commodity few humans are blessed with

    , @Ali Choudhury
    @Steve Sailer

    Getting from one end to the other in rush hour.

    , @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    The cities have more administrative subdivisions and sub-subdivisions whose results take time to receive and collate, so there's more overhead?

    Rural areas need a certain number of workers to man the polls as a baseline, and so may find themselves with much less work than they can handle, whereas urban workers are more likely to be at capacity?

  17. @Ali Choudhury
    Are there more recent examples than 1982? It's the same excuse making as the Dems with Facebook and Russian interference being responsible for 2016, although it's probably useful to rile up the rubes so both parties will keep alleging foul play. Trump lost by being less appealing to white men than he was in 2016.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @bomag, @Dumbo, @Polynikes, @fnn, @MBlanc46, @Sebastian Hawks

    If the right person wins, vote/electoral fraud doesn’t get investigated.
    It’s a bit like voter suppression; it only happens in big elections. In off-year elections, the Democratic party doesn’t want many of its supporters voting in the wrong Democrat.

  18. @Thoughts
    But this is, was, and is so blatant.

    It's taking them DAYS to get the fake votes needed.

    There's a great conversation on my facebook page right now....

    The Gentile Liberal with the Last Chance At Sex/Kids Jewish Gf wrote 'Why is it taking so long?' yadda yadda

    And the Jewish response was ...and this is almost a quote...'What does it matter as long as Shit Gets Done'

    --------------
    NC, Michigan, Penn, and Georgia State Legislators should all pass laws to hold a New Election with the same exact laws as Florida and Georgia. That's what should be done. In a sane world, that's what would be done.
    ------

    I'm curious about the deal the Republicans worked out with the Democrats over all this cheating.

    Replies: @Thoughts, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Justvisiting

    Florida and Ohio–misstype

  19. @Steve Sailer
    @Ali Choudhury

    Does it take longer to get other things done in densely populated cities than in rural areas?

    Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan, @Thoughts, @Ali Choudhury, @Anonymous

    Steve,

    Moreover, we could ask, why in the world did Cleveland not take forever to report? Could it be that Frank LaRose is a better Secretary of State than the SPLC woman running Michigan’s vote? What about big cities in New York, or even Chicago this year – it’s almost as if it happened only in big cities in competitive states.

    P.S. I’m proud of you for questioning the narrative.

    It’s incredible how many people on Unz are burying their heads in the sand.

    • Agree: Redman, ben tillman
  20. @Steve Sailer
    @Ali Choudhury

    Does it take longer to get other things done in densely populated cities than in rural areas?

    Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan, @Thoughts, @Ali Choudhury, @Anonymous

    Not in Florida, Texas, and Ohio…they were fine…

    Curiosity is rare commodity few humans are blessed with

    • Agree: ben tillman
  21. @Hugo Silva
    Don't you have observers from both parties in each precinct controlling the vote counting?

    It's amazing you can get away with those shenanigans in a developed country, there has been full blown dictatorships in Europe, but no European country who would pass as Democracy would allow such behaviour.

    Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan, @bomag, @anon, @Stan Adams, @Anonymous

    Don’t you have observers from both parties in each precinct controlling the vote counting?

    Not necessarily. In Michigan, Gretchen Whitmer forcibly removed GOP observers from offices in Detrot, citing COVID concerns. Meanwhile, the Democrat-controlled and immensely corrupt PA State Supreme Court ruled that the Trump campaign has no inherent right to observe counts in Philadelphia.

    The bigger problem is that our media is completely controlled by the enemies of the American people.

    • Replies: @Redman
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    Whitmer really is the wicked witch of the (mid)west, whom she very much resembles.

    , @ben tillman
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan


    The bigger problem is that our media is completely controlled by the enemies of the American people.
     
    Exactly.
  22. @Dumbo
    Maybe Repuglycans should start cheating in elections too? Or plan a coup.
    I mean why not, at this point. It's a banana republic already anyway.

    Replies: @Thoughts, @Known Fact, @AnotherDad, @Anon

    That’s what will happen…

    But when both parties cheat it will devolve into a Shoot Out

    And that’s how Mexico/Latin America happens

    Remember, at the end of the day, El Chapo was a stereotypical white dude with wide face

  23. The part about Rove’s chicanery in Florida may be true, but the media also deliberately suppressed Republican votes in the Florida Panhandle.

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/polls-are-closed-they-lied/

    Ultimately, I’d say these things offset.

  24. 20 years on from the “hanging chads”, reasonably trustworthy voting processes still don’t exist.

    How hard is it?

    It’s possible to light up sand denizens per pushbutton from a control room in Langley so that Hillary can cackle on TV (and later we had the Suleimani Trumpish doofosity but ok). But voting …. arh! Like clogged toilets. Nobody wants to go there.

  25. @Thoughts
    But this is, was, and is so blatant.

    It's taking them DAYS to get the fake votes needed.

    There's a great conversation on my facebook page right now....

    The Gentile Liberal with the Last Chance At Sex/Kids Jewish Gf wrote 'Why is it taking so long?' yadda yadda

    And the Jewish response was ...and this is almost a quote...'What does it matter as long as Shit Gets Done'

    --------------
    NC, Michigan, Penn, and Georgia State Legislators should all pass laws to hold a New Election with the same exact laws as Florida and Georgia. That's what should be done. In a sane world, that's what would be done.
    ------

    I'm curious about the deal the Republicans worked out with the Democrats over all this cheating.

    Replies: @Thoughts, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Justvisiting

    I’m curious about the deal the Republicans worked out with the Democrats over all this cheating.

    Wouldn’t surprise me.

    Supposedly Trump was messing with everyone’s lobbying income streams.

    I can easily see the GOPe offering to roll over if they could keep the Senate.

    Then, everyone in official DC can return to gorging themselves at the trough, no harm, no foul.

    • Replies: @ThisIsAnon153Replying
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    They're gonna lose the senate too, when both Georgia runoffs happen. That's what happens when you make a deal with the devil.

    Or maybe they'll rig that race for the GOP just to humiliate Trump more. Who knows anymore.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

  26. @RichardTaylor
    Fraud only happens when it's needed. That makes me feel better.

    The GOP must know and are pretending not to notice. They want Trump out too. But if Trump demands a recount maybe some fraud will be uncovered.

    No free speech, no right of association, career ruined for private conversations. That's the USA now. Remind young White men, whatever they're doing in the military, just look out for themselves. They aren't fighting for anybody's freedom anymore.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Goddard

    They aren’t fighting for anybody’s freedom anymore.

    If Chicom Joe is successfully installed I never want to hear about 1776, 1865, 1945, or 9/11 again.

  27. @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    But I bet those 21% of Cook County precincts that hadn't reported weren't a bunch of unreliable Lakefront Liberals, but were instead led by good friends of Hizzoner.

    Nobody seems curious in 2020 about why urban districts with the highest population densities and the shortest travel distances are the slowest to count their votes.

    Replies: @Ali Choudhury, @Barnard, @Hangnail Hans, @Intelligent Dasein, @megabar, @Kronos

    Just spitballing here, but it might have something to do with the general competence of the people working in these districts. When you look at the way a city like Detroit is run by the people who live there, what makes you think there is any chance they would be able to quickly and accurately process election results?

    • Replies: @Redman
    @Barnard

    Then doesn’t that call into question the whole concept of a national election for POTUS?

    Didn’t the framers get this right by saying this wouldn’t be a popular vote at all. Probably never should have changed.

  28. @ThisIsAnon153Replying
    Look, let's see the demographics here.

    The USA is (legally) what, 63% white? And white population is concentrated among Boomers and Silents. Who knows what the illegal population is. But let's say that ~55% of working age people are white.

    It's not far off from brazil demographics. A country that is 45% third world will be, well, third world. I know more non whites voted Republican. A "right wing"/nationalist 3rd world country is still 3rd world (Brazil, Philipines). No shit the Dems cheated. Republicans don't understand that it's a new game.

    The USA has been on borrowed time for a *long* time. It's just now starting to catch up to reality. And this is only the beginning.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @bomag, @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous Jew

    In Brazil the white people don’t hate white people. That’s a pretty fundamental difference. Though, wouldn’t you know it , a cadre of ‘usual suspects’ are trying to change all that.

    • Replies: @Dandy
    @Hangnail Hans

    We Brazilians are catching up fast to the lunacy the American Left are producing. Just the other day I heard a white leftist lawyer complain on TV about violence against "corpos negros" (black bodies) to an audience that was likely confused by the term (they probably thought he was denouncing people for beating on corpses of black people). So we are entering the Ta-Nehisi stage already. Maybe in 5 years we will be at the Kendi stage

  29. @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    But I bet those 21% of Cook County precincts that hadn't reported weren't a bunch of unreliable Lakefront Liberals, but were instead led by good friends of Hizzoner.

    Nobody seems curious in 2020 about why urban districts with the highest population densities and the shortest travel distances are the slowest to count their votes.

    Replies: @Ali Choudhury, @Barnard, @Hangnail Hans, @Intelligent Dasein, @megabar, @Kronos

    The way it works is, we only discover election fraud decades after the fact, usually when the major players are dead and gone.

    Then everyone can act shocked, shocked at the skullduggery back in the old days. Or they can just laugh at what people “used to” get away with. Nobody would dare try that today, except maybe those fanatics in the other party.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Hangnail Hans

    Incrementalism has been a tried and true social engineering mechanism for decades.

  30. @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    But I bet those 21% of Cook County precincts that hadn't reported weren't a bunch of unreliable Lakefront Liberals, but were instead led by good friends of Hizzoner.

    Nobody seems curious in 2020 about why urban districts with the highest population densities and the shortest travel distances are the slowest to count their votes.

    Replies: @Ali Choudhury, @Barnard, @Hangnail Hans, @Intelligent Dasein, @megabar, @Kronos

    Nobody seems curious in 2020 about why urban districts with the highest population densities and the shortest travel distances are the slowest to count their votes.

    They aren’t curious because they already know.

  31. @Ali Choudhury
    Are there more recent examples than 1982? It's the same excuse making as the Dems with Facebook and Russian interference being responsible for 2016, although it's probably useful to rile up the rubes so both parties will keep alleging foul play. Trump lost by being less appealing to white men than he was in 2016.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @bomag, @Dumbo, @Polynikes, @fnn, @MBlanc46, @Sebastian Hawks

    same excuse making as the Dems with Facebook and Russian interference

    At least Steve’s example is true.

    Are there more recent examples than 1982?

    Yes, but they’re not a popular topic in general; kind of like parents not discussing past affairs with the kids.

    This time we are seeing a widespread, coordinated strategy on the part of Dems to weaken voting laws and let enough chicanery flourish to help their side.

  32. @Steve Sailer
    @Ali Choudhury

    Does it take longer to get other things done in densely populated cities than in rural areas?

    Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan, @Thoughts, @Ali Choudhury, @Anonymous

    Getting from one end to the other in rush hour.

  33. Steve and commenters:

    I really don’t want to lose my head and become a crazy conspiracy theorist. But what can explain this:

    Absentee ballots have broken hard for Biden particularly where he needed it. Supposedly mail-in votes were 80-20 for Biden in Pennsylvania to reverse Trump’s massive lead, but mail-in votes were close to 50-50 in Florida.

    How does this make any sense? The absentee gap was +57.7 for Biden two days after the election in Pennsylvania and then it actually increased to +60 for Biden. What? It was only +15 in neighboring Ohio where attitudes toward early voting are surely similar. Absentee ballots were almost even in Florida. It may be true that Biden voters were a little more likely to vote by mail but how can it be like this? Older Americans are the ones most likely to vote by mail, and they skew Republican.

    These absentee votes were counted in secret in Philadelphia, without Republican observers, who were barred from watching. Republicans had to repeatedly sue because they were being blocked from their legal right to be observers.

    https://twitter.com/yinonw/status/1324223988747304961

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmCWIKpUcAA_g44?format=jpg&name=large

    Since that tweet was written the gap has grown to 80-20.

    I really want to check myself here because I don’t want to go all Alex Jones but is there any reason why absentee ballots would break in such an extreme way in Pennsylvania but not in Ohio or Florida?

    All the time that these tallies were coming in, Republicans were fighting in court to be allowed to be observers and Democrats were fighting in court on the other side, even as votes were being counted.

    What rational explanation is there for this? I am not asking why Democrats are were likely to vote by mail (I get that there is some difference due to COVID) but why PA was +60 Biden on absentee voting while Ohio was only +15 and Florida was even?

    • Replies: @anon
    @DanHessinMD

    Absentee ballots have broken hard for Biden particularly where he needed it.

    How does this make any sense?

    What rational explanation is there for this?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGRnhBmHYN0

    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    @DanHessinMD

    One point to note about Ohio is they regularly purge their voter rolls every few years.

    Their process was challenged and upheld by SCOTUS in 2018.

    I don't know if PA or FL do similar purges.

    , @James Braxton
    @DanHessinMD

    Because they cheat.

  34. I think the President knew this was going to happen, and I do find it compelling that there may have been some sort of DHS marking of the ballots that could easily show if they are authentic or not. The litigation should be interesting.

    In the meantime, the media is well on its way to declaring Joe the winner. To ameliorate that, if I were advising the President, I would immediately schedule rallies for this weekend in the following cities: Philly, Atlanta, Detroit, Las Vegas and Phoenix. Remind people of the vast popular support he has had. Maybe I’m crazy, but I think he could get a couple hundred thousand people together at some of these stops. Tell everyone to meet at the Grand Canyon…..

  35. As I said before the elections, it’s gonna take a lot more voting fraud than in 2016 for Dems to win. At this point , there’s not much that Trump can do, except a counter-coup.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @BB753


    there’s not much that Trump can do, except a counter-coup.
     
    It doesn't look like there are enough white hats at any level of government to support a counter-coup.

    That's really bad.

    Replies: @BB753

  36. @ThisIsAnon153Replying
    Look, let's see the demographics here.

    The USA is (legally) what, 63% white? And white population is concentrated among Boomers and Silents. Who knows what the illegal population is. But let's say that ~55% of working age people are white.

    It's not far off from brazil demographics. A country that is 45% third world will be, well, third world. I know more non whites voted Republican. A "right wing"/nationalist 3rd world country is still 3rd world (Brazil, Philipines). No shit the Dems cheated. Republicans don't understand that it's a new game.

    The USA has been on borrowed time for a *long* time. It's just now starting to catch up to reality. And this is only the beginning.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @bomag, @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous Jew

    Agree.

    The other day, I heard some immigrants remark that they don’t mind paying taxes in the US, because they believe they actually get something for their money, as opposed to the home country, where tax money just feeds a patronage network.

    Heh.

  37. @Hugo Silva
    Don't you have observers from both parties in each precinct controlling the vote counting?

    It's amazing you can get away with those shenanigans in a developed country, there has been full blown dictatorships in Europe, but no European country who would pass as Democracy would allow such behaviour.

    Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan, @bomag, @anon, @Stan Adams, @Anonymous

    Don’t you have observers from both parties in each precinct controlling the vote counting?

    Sometimes. But as seem in Philly, and locally in my western backwater, they get chased out.

    But even with observers, when you get sacks of late “found” ballots, they may look legit but are just filled in from the voter rolls.

  38. @Dumbo
    Maybe Repuglycans should start cheating in elections too? Or plan a coup.
    I mean why not, at this point. It's a banana republic already anyway.

    Replies: @Thoughts, @Known Fact, @AnotherDad, @Anon

    At this point the republic is giving bananas a bad name

  39. @Dumbo
    Maybe Repuglycans should start cheating in elections too? Or plan a coup.
    I mean why not, at this point. It's a banana republic already anyway.

    Replies: @Thoughts, @Known Fact, @AnotherDad, @Anon

    Maybe Repuglycans should start cheating in elections too? Or plan a coup.
    I mean why not, at this point. It’s a banana republic already anyway.

    Maybe we should start by just proposing the obvious: Separation.

    A nation presupposes a people.

    We are not one people.

    Our political arguments are not fundamentally over “taxes” or “spending” or “health care” or even “war and peace”. They are arguments over identity and legitimacy.

    Is America the nation of Washington, Jefferson, Franklin? Are we the nation of settlers and pioneers? Is America a great achievement? Are we a republic with majority rule, federalism and constrained, limited government? Are we a child of Anglo-Saxon peoples and culture? Are we rooted in Western civilization?

    Or are we “a nation of immigrants”? Those founders just a bunch of slave owning or “slavery adjacent” racists? Our real founding in 1619? “The ‘dreamers’ are our future!” “Civil rights” our constitution? The Supreme Court the final authority? “Diversity our greatest strength?”

    I say yes to vision A. (And furthermore that vision B is not just false, but logically incoherent).

    They say yes to vision B.

    ~~

    Separate peoples. So … separate nations.

    • Agree: ben tillman, Polynikes
    • Disagree: Pat Hannagan
    • Thanks: Anonymousse
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    We tried that once and it didn't work out well. And that time it was easier to see where the borders should be.

    Where are the borders between the Vision A/ Vision B country supposed to be?

    Sure, the West Coast and the East Coast from VA to the Canadian border got to the Vision B land (let's call it Wakanda) but what about the rest? (Kind of a shame that Wakanda gets the financial center, Silicon Valley, the aircraft factories in WA and the former Federal capital, but whaddaya gonna do...)

    Lots of blacks in the South but most blacks subscribe to Vision B (mainly the gib me dats part of the vision but still, if Vision A is "Republican" and Vision B is "Democrat" (and it is) then blacks belong to Vision B).

    There are a lot (in fact most) states where the big cities and their suburbs (which contain maybe 1/2 the population despite occupying 5% of the territory) subscribe mainly to Vision B but the rest of the state believes in Vision A. How does that work? Do all the Vision B people have to leave Chicago, Detroit, Milwaukee, etc. when their states end up in Vision A land and where do they go?

    Most university towns (and faculty) subscribe to Vision B. Admittedly a lot of stuff in universities nowadays is worthless but there is still some science going on. How does Vision A land (Columbia?) get on if 90% of the intelligentsia flees to Wakanda?

    I just don't see it. The cure would be worse than the disease. Disappearing everyone who disagrees with you is a pleasant fantasy but the reality is much more grim.

    Replies: @128, @anon, @AnotherDad, @Anonymousse, @MBlanc46

    , @Keypusher
    @AnotherDad

    Separation presupposes the capacity to separate.
    Which doesn’t exist, unless you can organize a Seccession Party and seize several state legislatures and persuade the other states and the Federal government to let you go. And the first step is a no-hoper, to say nothing of the subsequent ones.

    People spent a lot of time in these threads proposing absolute chimeras. This was a good election in a lot of ways! Why not try to build on it?

    Replies: @Justvisiting

    , @Bernard
    @AnotherDad


    Maybe we should start by just proposing the obvious: Separation.

    A nation presupposes a people.

    We are not one people.
     
    Dad, I say this with the upmost respect as I enjoy reading your posts quite a lot. Perhaps the idea of separate nations should be decided among your children's generation. What you so passionately advocate is a an idea that be comfortably proposed by from someone who has already put in the better part of his life's work. If today, your circumstances were the same as 20 years ago, still raising a family and all that it entails, I doubt you would see this solution as effortlessly as you do now.
    , @Anonymous
    @AnotherDad

    I love separatism. Is there anything it can't do?

    1. Whites move to a smaller subsection of their former pozzed territory, likely taking a few California liberals with them.
    2. Some time passes, people forget, and Jews move/bribe their way in.
    3. Jews control modes of communication and education - media, academia, schools, law, government.
    4. Jews introduce a Hart Cellar type act, flooding this nice smaller country with brown and black people.
    5. Go to 1.

    I guess if you follow Zeno's dichotomy paradox, we never reach the sort of conclusion one would expect where we reach a Moriori-like fate.

  40. Does it take longer to get other things done in densely populated cities than in rural areas?

    Getting to work?

  41. @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    But I bet those 21% of Cook County precincts that hadn't reported weren't a bunch of unreliable Lakefront Liberals, but were instead led by good friends of Hizzoner.

    Nobody seems curious in 2020 about why urban districts with the highest population densities and the shortest travel distances are the slowest to count their votes.

    Replies: @Ali Choudhury, @Barnard, @Hangnail Hans, @Intelligent Dasein, @megabar, @Kronos

    > Nobody seems curious in 2020 about why urban districts with the highest population densities and the shortest travel distances are the slowest to count their votes.

    I’m not disputing that there are irregularities.

    But as an anecdote, I will say that I went to an urban fast food joint a week ago, and I don’t think I’m exaggerating when I say that the cashier took 20-30 seconds to get my change from the cash register. I could see him do it and there wasn’t any particular issue; it was just that everything he did was incredibly slow.

  42. @Anonymous

    Mayor Daley would hold back the “River Wards” to see what the Republican total outside Chicago and how many he needed to overcome it.
     
    Excuse me, sir, are you unaware that Wikipedia says this is a myth?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1960_United_States_presidential_election

    A myth arose that Mayor Daley held back much of the city's vote until the late morning hours of November 9. Yet when the Republican Chicago Tribune went to press, 79% of Cook County precincts had reported, compared with just 62% of Illinois's precincts overall. Moreover, Nixon never led in Illinois, and Kennedy's lead merely shrank as election night went on.[70]
     

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @nebulafox, @The Alarmist

    Well, I wouldn’t rely on Wikipedia for reliable modern political history. But I will point out that there were plenty of voting irregularities in downstate Illinois, too. Illinois politics has always been outrageously corrupt: just look at the list of governors that went to jail.

    Do I have a hard time buying that Hizzoner and Co. made sure Chicago’s graveyards turned up for election? Absolutely not: in Chicago, it would be more shocking if that did not happen. But part of the reason that Nixon did not challenge was because he knew what the downstate GOP was up to and did not want to set off that arms race. I do not remember the name, but one Republican said something to the effect of “they cheated more than we did, fair and square”, which probably comes closest to the truth.

  43. anon[971] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hugo Silva
    Don't you have observers from both parties in each precinct controlling the vote counting?

    It's amazing you can get away with those shenanigans in a developed country, there has been full blown dictatorships in Europe, but no European country who would pass as Democracy would allow such behaviour.

    Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan, @bomag, @anon, @Stan Adams, @Anonymous

    Don’t you have observers from both parties in each precinct controlling the vote counting?

    Yes and no. When the D observers outnumber the R observers by 3:1 or even 4:1 then “observing” becomes more difficult. When R observers are escorted out of the vote counting center, to the cheers of D observers, because of “covid” or something, that is suggestive by itself.

    When the observers are kept 2 to 3 meters away there are things they cannot easily see. Covid has provided the D’s with a useful tool in the form of social distancing.

    None of this is new. It’s just being Noticed a bit more because a 1982 court agreement is no longer in effect. This is very important, here is a pro-R source on the topic. The facts are not in dispute, however. For 36 years the R’s have been unable to contest fraudulent voting nationwide because of this 1982 judge.

    https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/end-of-1982-consent-decree-gop-finally-can-contest-vote-fraud-after-36-years/

  44. @RichardTaylor
    Fraud only happens when it's needed. That makes me feel better.

    The GOP must know and are pretending not to notice. They want Trump out too. But if Trump demands a recount maybe some fraud will be uncovered.

    No free speech, no right of association, career ruined for private conversations. That's the USA now. Remind young White men, whatever they're doing in the military, just look out for themselves. They aren't fighting for anybody's freedom anymore.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Goddard

    Remind young White men, whatever they’re doing in the military, just look out for themselves. They aren’t fighting for anybody’s freedom anymore.

    White men should acquire military-style training but not serve in the U.S. military.

  45. Why wait to see how many votes need to be stolen? Why not just stuff it to the max? Is this American conviction that you have to do the minimum so important, that it governs even decisions of cheats?

    Is this another manifestation of what I saw at our NYC landlord, who wouldn’t fix a thing, beyond making sure the floor is still holding us from going through? Is this why your elderly care holds barely-surviving people, who would die at the first sneeze in the country? Is this cheapness why US bridges collapse at rates seen only in Turkey?

    One of my best memories from America is going to a dance event, in a place with maybe 3 thousand other people. There was a woman on some sort of pedestal, supposedly dancing lasciviously, but mostly waving her hands, Costa Plonka style. Around 1 Am, she remained on her work spot, and grazed a wrapped sandwich. I mean, who doesn’t need a decent dinner, 2-3 hours before bedtime.

    But, in this case, the half-assed part is the conspiracy theory. On Nov 3rd, Trump retwitted proudly a parade in his support in Nigeria. For him, it was all about him. If he loses, Chapo-level autists and Khachian-level depressed will have weeks, if not months, of material from the orange lolcow. As he said, nobody likes losers.

    • Troll: Anonymousse
  46. @Anonymous
    Surely, but surely, the answer is to use 'public' and 'private' key style encryption technology - as Elon Musk made a fortune from - and I phones - which every dirty little shit-ass seems to own.
    Simply, private keys can be issued uniquely to each registered voter over the internet, for a once only use and correspondence with the public key.

    Replies: @Jack D

    That would be great. Every Democrat committeeman ( “committeeperson”) could visit every senior citizen, 18 year old, convicted felon and homeless person on his block and show him/her how to install the voting app and which button to push in order to vote the straight Democrat ticket. You might have to bribe them a bit – maybe you could arrange for indigent voters to receive an Obamaphone paid for by some grant program. Maybe a government one or maybe Soros or Bloomberg are feeling generous this year and will arrange for all voters to receive phones. If the homeless guys sell them for drugs the next day, well whaddaya gonna do…. You wouldn’t have to round them all up and get them to the polls on Election Day. Man, that’s like herding cats. You could have weeks or months to get 100% of the people in your district to vote Democrat. This is just democracy – you’re not against democracy, are you? Do you want to suppress the votes of Black people? Mail voting is a lot like this, but electronic voting would be even better!

    Dems have been wanting to get rid of the secret ballot – once you get the voter in the booth, there’s no telling who he’s going to vote for. It’s such a bummer when you pay people a bribe and they don’t keep up their side of the bargain. Admittedly most of them do, but some of them get confused when they go in the voting booth and fill out the wrong circles. Getting 93% of the black vote is not enough. It should be AT LEAST 100%.

  47. Biden underperformed Hillary Clinton in every major urban area except Milwaukee, Philadelphia, Atlanta, and Detroit.

    NOTHING TO SEE HERE, FOLKS.

    • Thanks: Anonymousse
    • LOL: fnn
    • Replies: @epebble
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    Looks like he is doing OK in Phoenix, AZ and Las Vegas, NV too. He seems to have done well enough in Texas to scare some folks. That oil talk sank him. Fix that and skip Socialism bad word and Florida may be good to go in 2024. Without Trump around, Republicans may become a Rump party.

    , @res
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    I see that asserted in these tweets.

    https://twitter.com/erictrump/status/1324500040904310785

    Does anyone have hard data showing it?

  48. @Pat Hannagan
    Adept vote concoction is a traditional folk art practiced mostly in big cities with a Catholic political heritage from roughly Boston in the east to maybe Kansas City in the west.

    And you yet you call your president "leader of the free world". He didn't even have the wherewithal to command his own twitter account ffs, yet now you blame the Irish Catholics?!

    The bloke is a meshuganah and sellout of the highest order who has already received his reward with an Israel suburb named after his handing over of Syria's Golan Heights to Israel.

    He'll be alright. His future is the least of your worries.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-64CaD8GXw

    Replies: @ken, @YetAnotherAnon

    Lighten up, Patty. And bagpipes suck.

  49. @Ali Choudhury
    Are there more recent examples than 1982? It's the same excuse making as the Dems with Facebook and Russian interference being responsible for 2016, although it's probably useful to rile up the rubes so both parties will keep alleging foul play. Trump lost by being less appealing to white men than he was in 2016.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @bomag, @Dumbo, @Polynikes, @fnn, @MBlanc46, @Sebastian Hawks

    Trump lost by being less appealing to white men than he was in 2016.

    From what I’ve read, Trump in 2020 got 10% more votes (in absolute numbers) than in 2016. What’s extremely unusual is that an even higher number of people voted for Biden. Maybe voters decided that this election was *really* important. Maybe they didn’t have much to do during the lockdown and decided to vote by mail. Or maybe…

    • Replies: @fnn
    @Dumbo

    Yeah, people wanted to come out and show their support for the FBI, CIA and the Big Tech plutocrats.

  50. @AnotherDad
    @Dumbo


    Maybe Repuglycans should start cheating in elections too? Or plan a coup.
    I mean why not, at this point. It’s a banana republic already anyway.
     
    Maybe we should start by just proposing the obvious: Separation.

    A nation presupposes a people.

    We are not one people.

    Our political arguments are not fundamentally over "taxes" or "spending" or "health care" or even "war and peace". They are arguments over identity and legitimacy.

    Is America the nation of Washington, Jefferson, Franklin? Are we the nation of settlers and pioneers? Is America a great achievement? Are we a republic with majority rule, federalism and constrained, limited government? Are we a child of Anglo-Saxon peoples and culture? Are we rooted in Western civilization?

    Or are we "a nation of immigrants"? Those founders just a bunch of slave owning or "slavery adjacent" racists? Our real founding in 1619? "The 'dreamers' are our future!" "Civil rights" our constitution? The Supreme Court the final authority? "Diversity our greatest strength?"

    I say yes to vision A. (And furthermore that vision B is not just false, but logically incoherent).

    They say yes to vision B.

    ~~

    Separate peoples. So ... separate nations.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Keypusher, @Bernard, @Anonymous

    We tried that once and it didn’t work out well. And that time it was easier to see where the borders should be.

    Where are the borders between the Vision A/ Vision B country supposed to be?

    Sure, the West Coast and the East Coast from VA to the Canadian border got to the Vision B land (let’s call it Wakanda) but what about the rest? (Kind of a shame that Wakanda gets the financial center, Silicon Valley, the aircraft factories in WA and the former Federal capital, but whaddaya gonna do…)

    Lots of blacks in the South but most blacks subscribe to Vision B (mainly the gib me dats part of the vision but still, if Vision A is “Republican” and Vision B is “Democrat” (and it is) then blacks belong to Vision B).

    There are a lot (in fact most) states where the big cities and their suburbs (which contain maybe 1/2 the population despite occupying 5% of the territory) subscribe mainly to Vision B but the rest of the state believes in Vision A. How does that work? Do all the Vision B people have to leave Chicago, Detroit, Milwaukee, etc. when their states end up in Vision A land and where do they go?

    Most university towns (and faculty) subscribe to Vision B. Admittedly a lot of stuff in universities nowadays is worthless but there is still some science going on. How does Vision A land (Columbia?) get on if 90% of the intelligentsia flees to Wakanda?

    I just don’t see it. The cure would be worse than the disease. Disappearing everyone who disagrees with you is a pleasant fantasy but the reality is much more grim.

    • Replies: @128
    @Jack D

    Well you actually see Syria self segregating into Vision A and Vision B now, so that can work, the trans Jordan also self segregated into Vision A and B after 1948 and 1967, so did India and Pakistan after 1947. Certainly there is enough military equipment lying around to get the job done. And I thought you people like to complain how the US how way too many people anyway?

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @anon
    @Jack D


    Where are the borders between the Vision A/ Vision B country supposed to be?

    Sure, the West Coast and the East Coast from VA to the Canadian border got to the Vision B land (let’s call it Wakanda) but what about the rest?
     
    Even more complicated than that.
    In Washington state west of the Cascades is Vision B; East of the Cascades is Vision A.
    In Arkansas Little Rock, Fayetteville, and the majority black counties in the delta are Vision B; but the rest of the state, and the state overall, is Vision A.
    I agree with Another Dad we should separate, and I agree with Jack D that this can't be done.
    Sounds like either Vision B population or Vision A population needs to be fought, defeated, and deported.
    , @AnotherDad
    @Jack D

    United Van Lines

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Anonymousse
    @Jack D


    Where are the borders between the Vision A/ Vision B country supposed to be?
     
    How about you and all your relatives stand on one side of a line and we stand on the other. Anyone that likes the kind of society that you and your relatives create go stand on that side. No more crossing from your side to our side ever again, but we’d encourage free movement in the other direction for anyone so inclined.
    , @MBlanc46
    @Jack D

    The cure might be worse than the disease. But whatever happens is going to be ugly. Separation might well be the least ugly of the possibilities. And it’s worth mentioning that they want to disappear us at least as much as we want to disappear them.

  51. @Hugo Silva
    Don't you have observers from both parties in each precinct controlling the vote counting?

    It's amazing you can get away with those shenanigans in a developed country, there has been full blown dictatorships in Europe, but no European country who would pass as Democracy would allow such behaviour.

    Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan, @bomag, @anon, @Stan Adams, @Anonymous

    America isn’t nearly as European as it used to be.

    • Replies: @Gordo
    @Stan Adams


    America isn’t nearly as European as it used to be.
     
    Which is just another way of saying that America isn’t as American as it used to be.
  52. Adept vote concoction is a traditional folk art practiced mostly in big cities with a Catholic political heritage from roughly Boston in the east to maybe Kansas City in the west.

    In other words, pretty much Joe Biden’s tribe.

    If Trump has anything useful left to do in American life, exposing this is it. Of course, it would have been most effective to catch the malefactors in the act, rather than to try to figure it out after the fact.

  53. Comparisons to 1960 and similar elections are cute, but this one is more comparable to 1876. And that did permanent damage in ushering in segregation and the two-party duopoly. Segregation stuck around until the 1960s, the two party duopoly is still with us, though it may be replaced by a corrupt one party state, which my in some ways be an improvement as it would be more honest.

    Nixon did not challenge the 1960 elections because, as other commentators noted, the Republicans were doing vote fabrication of their own, and Nixon liked Kennedy and had the two had few disagreements on politics. Nixon was in his early 40s and he knew he would get another chance. In 1968 he knew it was his last chance and fought dirtier.

    This one is on a much bigger scale, and since the Republican establishment also wants Trump out, the cheating is pretty much all on one side. This is really 1996 Russian election stuff we are dealing with.

    • Agree: 36 ulster, Redman
    • Replies: @peterike
    @eD


    the two party duopoly is still with us, though it may be replaced by a corrupt one party state, which my in some ways be an improvement as it would be more honest.

     

    Yeah, just like China.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    , @Redman
    @eD

    There's a lot of pressure internationally to end this as well. The US is still the largest economy and military in the world. It's easy for us normal Americans to forget that sometimes.

    The more this starts to look like a coup, and that we are a banana republic (posing as the world's most stable country), the scarier this becomes to people around the world. It's not just the bureaucratic blob the wants Trump's populist nationalism to die. It's a network of foreign elites who fear their own populations will get crazy political ideas like: If the US deep state can't control its own disaffected masses, then what hope does any other country have?

    , @MBlanc46
    @eD

    The nation got racial segregation because almost all white Americans wanted racial segregation. And, except for the Era of Good Feelings and the odd third party movement (the Free Soilers, et al.), we’ve always had a duopoly.

  54. @Thoughts
    But this is, was, and is so blatant.

    It's taking them DAYS to get the fake votes needed.

    There's a great conversation on my facebook page right now....

    The Gentile Liberal with the Last Chance At Sex/Kids Jewish Gf wrote 'Why is it taking so long?' yadda yadda

    And the Jewish response was ...and this is almost a quote...'What does it matter as long as Shit Gets Done'

    --------------
    NC, Michigan, Penn, and Georgia State Legislators should all pass laws to hold a New Election with the same exact laws as Florida and Georgia. That's what should be done. In a sane world, that's what would be done.
    ------

    I'm curious about the deal the Republicans worked out with the Democrats over all this cheating.

    Replies: @Thoughts, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Justvisiting

    They could have easily cheated by printing an additional five percent fake mail-in ballots in all the swing states and then forged signatures–counted them all on election night–and nobody would have been the wiser.

    America is so dumbed down these days–we can’t even properly steal an election!

  55. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    We tried that once and it didn't work out well. And that time it was easier to see where the borders should be.

    Where are the borders between the Vision A/ Vision B country supposed to be?

    Sure, the West Coast and the East Coast from VA to the Canadian border got to the Vision B land (let's call it Wakanda) but what about the rest? (Kind of a shame that Wakanda gets the financial center, Silicon Valley, the aircraft factories in WA and the former Federal capital, but whaddaya gonna do...)

    Lots of blacks in the South but most blacks subscribe to Vision B (mainly the gib me dats part of the vision but still, if Vision A is "Republican" and Vision B is "Democrat" (and it is) then blacks belong to Vision B).

    There are a lot (in fact most) states where the big cities and their suburbs (which contain maybe 1/2 the population despite occupying 5% of the territory) subscribe mainly to Vision B but the rest of the state believes in Vision A. How does that work? Do all the Vision B people have to leave Chicago, Detroit, Milwaukee, etc. when their states end up in Vision A land and where do they go?

    Most university towns (and faculty) subscribe to Vision B. Admittedly a lot of stuff in universities nowadays is worthless but there is still some science going on. How does Vision A land (Columbia?) get on if 90% of the intelligentsia flees to Wakanda?

    I just don't see it. The cure would be worse than the disease. Disappearing everyone who disagrees with you is a pleasant fantasy but the reality is much more grim.

    Replies: @128, @anon, @AnotherDad, @Anonymousse, @MBlanc46

    Well you actually see Syria self segregating into Vision A and Vision B now, so that can work, the trans Jordan also self segregated into Vision A and B after 1948 and 1967, so did India and Pakistan after 1947. Certainly there is enough military equipment lying around to get the job done. And I thought you people like to complain how the US how way too many people anyway?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @128

    Approximately 2% of Syria's prewar population has died in its civil war and there are 5.5 million refugees (1/4 of the population) which would equate to 7 million dead and 75 million refugees in the US. And Assad gets to preside over a ruined nation.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Syrian_Civil_War#:~:text=Estimates%20of%20the%20total%20number,had%20died%20in%20the%20war.

    Sure, if 7 million people dying and much of the US reduced to rubble doesn't bother you, then it can be done. Bring it on! But it bothers me. It's the last thing I want to see. It probably would BE the last thing that I would see. No thank you. I'd rather we keep muddling thru with our current mess, as deeply flawed as it is.

  56. anon[169] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    We tried that once and it didn't work out well. And that time it was easier to see where the borders should be.

    Where are the borders between the Vision A/ Vision B country supposed to be?

    Sure, the West Coast and the East Coast from VA to the Canadian border got to the Vision B land (let's call it Wakanda) but what about the rest? (Kind of a shame that Wakanda gets the financial center, Silicon Valley, the aircraft factories in WA and the former Federal capital, but whaddaya gonna do...)

    Lots of blacks in the South but most blacks subscribe to Vision B (mainly the gib me dats part of the vision but still, if Vision A is "Republican" and Vision B is "Democrat" (and it is) then blacks belong to Vision B).

    There are a lot (in fact most) states where the big cities and their suburbs (which contain maybe 1/2 the population despite occupying 5% of the territory) subscribe mainly to Vision B but the rest of the state believes in Vision A. How does that work? Do all the Vision B people have to leave Chicago, Detroit, Milwaukee, etc. when their states end up in Vision A land and where do they go?

    Most university towns (and faculty) subscribe to Vision B. Admittedly a lot of stuff in universities nowadays is worthless but there is still some science going on. How does Vision A land (Columbia?) get on if 90% of the intelligentsia flees to Wakanda?

    I just don't see it. The cure would be worse than the disease. Disappearing everyone who disagrees with you is a pleasant fantasy but the reality is much more grim.

    Replies: @128, @anon, @AnotherDad, @Anonymousse, @MBlanc46

    Where are the borders between the Vision A/ Vision B country supposed to be?

    Sure, the West Coast and the East Coast from VA to the Canadian border got to the Vision B land (let’s call it Wakanda) but what about the rest?

    Even more complicated than that.
    In Washington state west of the Cascades is Vision B; East of the Cascades is Vision A.
    In Arkansas Little Rock, Fayetteville, and the majority black counties in the delta are Vision B; but the rest of the state, and the state overall, is Vision A.
    I agree with Another Dad we should separate, and I agree with Jack D that this can’t be done.
    Sounds like either Vision B population or Vision A population needs to be fought, defeated, and deported.

  57. Ballot measures to raise taxes, or sell bonds, for the schools won big. Again.

    Supermajority requirements, where they exist, hardly mattered.

    Nobody will challenge those results.

    It makes little difference to taxpayers whether taxes get raised by a vote of their legislature, or a vote of their neighbors.

  58. OT: Jeff Bozo-owned Whole Foods bans employees from wearing a poppy.

  59. An important indicator of electoral fraud is to see how the first digit of the reported results conform with expected results under Benford’s Law.

    The article below has a table showing Milwaukee’s reported totals by ward:

    https://mkecitywire.com/stories/564495243-analysis-seven-milwaukee-wards-report-more-2020-presidential-votes-than-registered-voters-biden-nets-146k-votes-in-city

    According to Benford’s Law, we’d expect the first digit of reported returns to be 1 approximately 30.1% of the time. See:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benford%27s_law

    Here are the actual results, calculated by me from the table above:

    324 wards total
    Biden leading 1s: 47/324 = 14.5%
    Trump leading 1s: 98/324 = 30.2%

    • Replies: @Garlic
    @Garlic

    Further to my earlier post, showing Milwaukee ward totals for Trump with leading 1s to be 31.2%, almost exactly the total expected under Benford’s Law of 31.1%, but Biden’s percent to be an unlikely 14.5%:

    I am attaching my actual data below the “More” tag. Anyone who wants to verify my results can copy and paste the data into Excel, choose Text to Columns, with commas as the delimiters.

    Voting Ward,Reg Voters,Biden Votes,Trump Votes,TOTAL,Turnout,Biden %,Biden 1st Dig,Trump 1st Dig,All First Dig
    326,4,2,3,5,125%,40%,2,3,5
    312,"1,029",553,389,942,92%,59%,5,3,9
    272,"1,190",512,567,"1,079",91%,47%,5,5,1
    273,671,313,290,603,90%,52%,3,2,6
    267,723,362,285,647,89%,56%,3,2,6
    276,"1,431",672,600,"1,272",89%,53%,6,6,1
    243,"1,215",852,215,"1,067",88%,80%,8,2,1
    82,945,528,301,829,88%,64%,5,3,8
    299,"1,029",653,249,902,88%,72%,6,2,9
    294,696,418,191,609,88%,69%,4,1,6
    303,"1,316",722,429,"1,151",87%,63%,7,4,1
    296,"1,098",670,288,958,87%,70%,6,2,9
    206,736,479,163,642,87%,75%,4,1,6
    278,838,370,359,729,87%,51%,3,3,7
    93,765,495,170,665,87%,74%,4,1,6
    279,"1,172",573,445,"1,018",87%,56%,5,4,1
    317,"1,019",533,352,885,87%,60%,5,3,8
    314,769,347,320,667,87%,52%,3,3,6
    302,906,476,309,785,87%,61%,4,3,7
    131,"1,306",864,267,"1,131",87%,76%,8,2,1
    307,910,486,302,788,87%,62%,4,3,7
    264,"1,342",676,485,"1,161",87%,58%,6,4,1
    209,865,453,295,748,86%,61%,4,2,7
    268,"1,658",798,634,"1,432",86%,56%,7,6,1
    301,"1,314",769,361,"1,130",86%,68%,7,3,1
    316,865,373,370,743,86%,50%,3,3,7
    300,"1,388",967,224,"1,191",86%,81%,9,2,1
    269,978,451,388,839,86%,54%,4,3,8
    15,878,535,218,753,86%,71%,5,2,7
    271,"1,695",817,634,"1,451",86%,56%,8,6,1
    293,903,495,277,772,85%,64%,4,2,7
    265,723,351,267,618,85%,57%,3,2,6
    9,876,633,115,748,85%,85%,6,1,7
    260,467,290,108,398,85%,73%,2,1,3
    83,"1,157",662,323,985,85%,67%,6,3,9
    298,827,542,162,704,85%,77%,5,1,7
    246,"1,454","1,030",206,"1,236",85%,83%,1,2,1
    203,"1,176",807,192,999,85%,81%,8,1,9
    88,928,605,183,788,85%,77%,6,1,7
    277,"1,520",688,602,"1,290",85%,53%,6,6,1
    86,"1,065",629,274,903,85%,70%,6,2,9
    245,815,556,135,691,85%,80%,5,1,6
    87,689,434,150,584,85%,74%,4,1,5
    262,"1,243",665,388,"1,053",85%,63%,6,3,1
    275,"1,660",772,633,"1,405",85%,55%,7,6,1
    261,604,337,174,511,85%,66%,3,1,5
    244,"1,006",699,152,851,85%,82%,6,1,8
    309,"1,298",645,453,"1,098",85%,59%,6,4,1
    270,931,411,376,787,85%,52%,4,3,7
    274,702,296,297,593,84%,50%,2,2,5
    89,"1,175",746,245,991,84%,75%,7,2,9
    132,"1,915","1,255",359,"1,614",84%,78%,1,3,1
    313,"2,034",950,762,"1,712",84%,55%,9,7,1
    242,"1,069",740,159,899,84%,82%,7,1,8
    297,993,637,197,834,84%,76%,6,1,8
    280,"1,911","1,124",481,"1,605",84%,70%,1,4,1
    287,562,331,141,472,84%,70%,3,1,4
    74,785,597,62,659,84%,91%,5,6,6
    33,"2,395","1,324",684,"2,008",84%,66%,1,6,2
    292,747,428,198,626,84%,68%,4,1,6
    288,"1,264",673,386,"1,059",84%,64%,6,3,1
    168,"1,754","1,204",265,"1,469",84%,82%,1,2,1
    90,"1,135",733,217,950,84%,77%,7,2,9
    304,"1,089",531,379,910,84%,58%,5,3,9
    84,826,465,224,689,83%,67%,4,2,6
    85,"1,109",623,302,925,83%,67%,6,3,9
    205,922,572,197,769,83%,74%,5,1,7
    204,"1,036",678,186,864,83%,78%,6,1,8
    126,"1,065",815,73,888,83%,92%,8,7,8
    234,688,458,114,572,83%,80%,4,1,5
    266,843,340,360,700,83%,49%,3,3,7
    81,740,384,230,614,83%,63%,3,2,6
    281,891,474,265,739,83%,64%,4,2,7
    207,865,446,270,716,83%,62%,4,2,7
    305,"1,101",567,344,911,83%,62%,5,3,9
    129,"1,174",809,162,971,83%,83%,8,1,9
    8,"1,765","1,150",306,"1,456",82%,79%,1,3,1
    208,988,512,302,814,82%,63%,5,3,8
    125,"1,376","1,012",121,"1,133",82%,89%,1,1,1
    295,890,541,191,732,82%,74%,5,1,7
    311,785,368,277,645,82%,57%,3,2,6
    92,"1,606","1,057",260,"1,317",82%,80%,1,2,1
    210,818,355,315,670,82%,53%,3,3,6
    17,735,477,125,602,82%,79%,4,1,6
    214,532,335,100,435,82%,77%,3,1,4
    178,"2,062","1,374",312,"1,686",82%,81%,1,3,1
    235,"2,116","1,391",339,"1,730",82%,80%,1,3,1
    127,"1,499","1,016",209,"1,225",82%,83%,1,2,1
    247,762,480,142,622,82%,77%,4,1,6
    95,664,498,44,542,82%,92%,4,4,5
    202,943,636,133,769,82%,83%,6,1,7
    241,"1,554","1,040",227,"1,267",82%,82%,1,2,1
    6,"2,157","1,408",350,"1,758",82%,80%,1,3,1
    248,"1,516","1,006",229,"1,235",81%,81%,1,2,1
    289,780,449,186,635,81%,71%,4,1,6
    72,"1,125",840,74,914,81%,92%,8,7,9
    135,"1,529","1,076",164,"1,240",81%,87%,1,1,1
    186,"3,072","1,795",696,"2,491",81%,72%,1,6,2
    98,803,619,32,651,81%,95%,6,3,6
    80,"1,790","1,072",379,"1,451",81%,74%,1,3,1
    167,980,659,135,794,81%,83%,6,1,7
    79,"1,350",929,162,"1,091",81%,85%,9,1,1
    96,"1,201",852,118,970,81%,88%,8,1,9
    263,710,374,199,573,81%,65%,3,1,5
    77,761,518,96,614,81%,84%,5,9,6
    181,"2,012","1,288",334,"1,622",81%,79%,1,3,1
    10,"1,447",880,284,"1,164",80%,76%,8,2,1
    97,"1,144",711,208,919,80%,77%,7,2,9
    102,"1,394","1,062",57,"1,119",80%,95%,1,5,1
    285,221,127,50,177,80%,72%,1,5,1
    18,"1,079",739,125,864,80%,86%,7,1,8
    177,"2,673","1,787",352,"2,139",80%,84%,1,3,2
    99,"1,291",938,95,"1,033",80%,91%,9,9,1
    53,475,348,32,380,80%,92%,3,3,3
    36,978,687,95,782,80%,88%,6,9,7
    211,933,461,285,746,80%,62%,4,2,7
    184,"1,842","1,106",363,"1,469",80%,75%,1,3,1
    35,"1,071",613,241,854,80%,72%,6,2,8
    20,"1,122",800,93,893,80%,90%,8,9,8
    58,788,602,25,627,80%,96%,6,2,6
    213,"1,085",569,294,863,80%,66%,5,2,8
    71,838,618,48,666,79%,93%,6,4,6
    75,855,565,114,679,79%,83%,5,1,6
    283,914,473,252,725,79%,65%,4,2,7
    282,475,265,111,376,79%,70%,2,1,3
    310,448,250,104,354,79%,71%,2,1,3
    65,"1,233",934,38,972,79%,96%,9,3,9
    212,"1,046",514,310,824,79%,62%,5,3,8
    308,942,506,235,741,79%,68%,5,2,7
    189,964,621,137,758,79%,82%,6,1,7
    180,"1,493",955,216,"1,171",78%,82%,9,2,1
    34,"1,426",853,263,"1,116",78%,76%,8,2,1
    56,823,617,27,644,78%,96%,6,2,6
    5,974,660,102,762,78%,87%,6,1,7
    325,477,299,74,373,78%,80%,2,7,3
    183,"3,071","1,918",482,"2,400",78%,80%,1,4,2
    284,892,500,197,697,78%,72%,5,1,6
    221,"1,252",759,219,978,78%,78%,7,2,9
    11,"1,298",841,170,"1,011",78%,83%,8,1,1
    259,646,380,123,503,78%,76%,3,1,5
    217,861,506,164,670,78%,76%,5,1,6
    78,"1,321",881,145,"1,026",78%,86%,8,1,1
    55,"1,312",847,172,"1,019",78%,83%,8,1,1
    175,729,522,44,566,78%,92%,5,4,5
    70,"1,466","1,059",78,"1,137",78%,93%,1,7,1
    166,401,277,34,311,78%,89%,2,3,3
    306,891,476,215,691,78%,69%,4,2,6
    26,886,607,80,687,78%,88%,6,8,6
    1,"1,502",974,190,"1,164",77%,84%,9,1,1
    291,668,357,160,517,77%,69%,3,1,5
    73,"1,245",870,92,962,77%,90%,8,9,9
    290,699,399,141,540,77%,74%,3,1,5
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    3,"1,119",718,146,864,77%,83%,7,1,8
    16,"1,768","1,211",154,"1,365",77%,89%,1,1,1
    27,800,508,109,617,77%,82%,5,1,6
    91,"1,650","1,141",128,"1,269",77%,90%,1,1,1
    182,"2,064","1,328",259,"1,587",77%,84%,1,2,1
    44,"1,152",804,81,885,77%,91%,8,8,8
    286,538,277,136,413,77%,67%,2,1,4
    42,"1,145",811,67,878,77%,92%,8,6,8
    187,939,573,147,720,77%,80%,5,1,7
    188,728,429,127,556,76%,77%,4,1,5
    219,658,391,111,502,76%,78%,3,1,5
    76,851,592,57,649,76%,91%,5,5,6
    137,841,558,83,641,76%,87%,5,8,6
    31,866,590,70,660,76%,89%,5,7,6
    69,"1,033",747,40,787,76%,95%,7,4,7
    134,"1,150",759,117,876,76%,87%,7,1,8
    179,"2,013","1,337",195,"1,532",76%,87%,1,1,1
    164,"1,036",696,92,788,76%,88%,6,9,7
    39,885,568,105,673,76%,84%,5,1,6
    153,871,624,38,662,76%,94%,6,3,6
    101,"1,199",883,28,911,76%,97%,8,2,9
    161,248,181,7,188,76%,96%,1,7,1
    128,"1,693","1,056",227,"1,283",76%,82%,1,2,1
    100,801,573,34,607,76%,94%,5,3,6
    4,"1,907","1,257",188,"1,445",76%,87%,1,1,1
    57,"1,072",788,21,809,75%,97%,7,2,8
    48,553,382,35,417,75%,92%,3,3,4
    173,782,567,22,589,75%,96%,5,2,5
    185,"2,603","1,531",422,"1,953",75%,78%,1,4,1
    165,"1,015",623,137,760,75%,82%,6,1,7
    59,"1,550","1,115",44,"1,159",75%,96%,1,4,1
    200,509,333,47,380,75%,88%,3,4,3
    133,"1,085",710,100,810,75%,88%,7,1,8
    14,"1,341",930,71,"1,001",75%,93%,9,7,1
    7,745,398,158,556,75%,72%,3,1,5
    220,696,424,95,519,75%,82%,4,9,5
    124,793,539,52,591,75%,91%,5,5,5
    142,833,598,21,619,74%,97%,5,2,6
    64,"1,600","1,134",54,"1,188",74%,95%,1,5,1
    218,977,569,155,724,74%,79%,5,1,7
    139,"1,726","1,177",99,"1,276",74%,92%,1,9,1
    215,512,299,79,378,74%,79%,2,7,3
    21,"1,081",740,58,798,74%,93%,7,5,7
    258,967,544,169,713,74%,76%,5,1,7
    253,282,149,58,207,73%,72%,1,5,2
    68,"1,299",846,106,952,73%,89%,8,1,9
    223,893,498,156,654,73%,76%,4,1,6
    47,"1,135",783,48,831,73%,94%,7,4,8
    40,861,580,49,629,73%,92%,5,4,6
    67,707,497,19,516,73%,96%,4,1,5
    19,891,551,99,650,73%,85%,5,9,6
    322,166,98,23,121,73%,81%,9,2,1
    174,"1,122",778,39,817,73%,95%,7,3,8
    13,699,386,122,508,73%,76%,3,1,5
    115,"1,114",789,19,808,73%,98%,7,1,8
    141,771,531,28,559,73%,95%,5,2,5
    50,719,472,49,521,72%,91%,4,4,5
    41,860,572,51,623,72%,92%,5,5,6
    114,671,470,16,486,72%,97%,4,1,4
    176,972,668,36,704,72%,95%,6,3,7
    46,665,446,34,480,72%,93%,4,3,4
    29,460,293,39,332,72%,88%,2,3,3
    49,776,521,39,560,72%,93%,5,3,5
    107,829,588,10,598,72%,98%,5,1,5
    159,617,400,45,445,72%,90%,4,4,4
    158,625,429,21,450,72%,95%,4,2,4
    66,775,536,22,558,72%,96%,5,2,5
    94,609,415,23,438,72%,95%,4,2,4
    323,363,203,58,261,72%,78%,2,5,2
    103,"1,726","1,147",94,"1,241",72%,92%,1,9,1
    45,"1,185",771,81,852,72%,90%,7,8,8
    252,627,342,108,450,72%,76%,3,1,4
    197,436,266,45,311,71%,86%,2,4,3
    63,740,507,20,527,71%,96%,5,2,5
    38,749,492,41,533,71%,92%,4,4,5
    143,655,448,18,466,71%,96%,4,1,4
    12,"1,126",667,134,801,71%,83%,6,1,8
    60,"1,071",736,23,759,71%,97%,7,2,7
    136,"1,213",738,121,859,71%,86%,7,1,8
    51,703,472,25,497,71%,95%,4,2,4
    61,943,644,22,666,71%,97%,6,2,6
    160,772,531,14,545,71%,97%,5,1,5
    199,698,459,33,492,70%,93%,4,3,4
    250,484,281,60,341,70%,82%,2,6,3
    157,696,444,46,490,70%,91%,4,4,4
    227,990,589,107,696,70%,85%,5,1,6
    121,918,612,33,645,70%,95%,6,3,6
    123,"1,265",810,76,886,70%,91%,8,7,8
    240,801,464,97,561,70%,83%,4,9,5
    163,873,576,35,611,70%,94%,5,3,6
    236,632,367,75,442,70%,83%,3,7,4
    22,991,612,81,693,70%,88%,6,8,6
    151,581,391,15,406,70%,96%,3,1,4
    108,862,576,26,602,70%,96%,5,2,6
    118,807,539,24,563,70%,96%,5,2,5
    222,843,460,128,588,70%,78%,4,1,5
    320,59,37,4,41,69%,90%,3,4,4
    54,608,411,11,422,69%,97%,4,1,4
    112,858,577,18,595,69%,97%,5,1,5
    255,362,199,52,251,69%,79%,1,5,2
    170,531,317,50,367,69%,86%,3,5,3
    150,848,553,32,585,69%,95%,5,3,5
    113,732,482,22,504,69%,96%,4,2,5
    216,448,243,65,308,69%,79%,2,6,3
    25,"1,004",605,83,688,69%,88%,6,8,6
    148,798,524,22,546,68%,96%,5,2,5
    238,703,368,113,481,68%,77%,3,1,4
    30,950,561,88,649,68%,86%,5,8,6
    172,628,399,30,429,68%,93%,3,3,4
    62,782,511,23,534,68%,96%,5,2,5
    257,898,489,124,613,68%,80%,4,1,6
    321,296,173,29,202,68%,86%,1,2,2
    119,831,550,17,567,68%,97%,5,1,5
    104,"1,468",968,33,"1,001",68%,97%,9,3,1
    233,301,173,32,205,68%,84%,1,3,2
    162,509,320,26,346,68%,92%,3,2,3
    105,627,411,14,425,68%,97%,4,1,4
    154,756,486,26,512,68%,95%,4,2,5
    193,818,491,62,553,68%,89%,4,6,5
    32,"1,857","1,225",24,"1,249",67%,98%,1,2,1
    194,714,425,55,480,67%,89%,4,5,4
    146,276,179,6,185,67%,97%,1,6,1
    2,524,323,28,351,67%,92%,3,2,3
    225,675,350,101,451,67%,78%,3,1,4
    156,"1,027",636,50,686,67%,93%,6,5,6
    37,965,580,64,644,67%,90%,5,6,6
    196,"1,065",631,79,710,67%,89%,6,7,7
    237,872,490,91,581,67%,84%,4,9,5
    117,712,465,9,474,67%,98%,4,9,4
    116,611,395,10,405,66%,98%,3,1,4
    149,"1,008",632,34,666,66%,95%,6,3,6
    109,959,614,18,632,66%,97%,6,1,6
    201,510,292,44,336,66%,87%,2,4,3
    122,"1,007",630,33,663,66%,95%,6,3,6
    239,664,349,88,437,66%,80%,3,8,4
    23,450,262,34,296,66%,89%,2,3,2
    28,353,205,27,232,66%,88%,2,2,2
    230,879,467,110,577,66%,81%,4,1,5
    52,"1,049",643,45,688,66%,93%,6,4,6
    226,386,210,42,252,65%,83%,2,4,2
    228,553,291,67,358,65%,81%,2,6,3
    147,"1,119",700,23,723,65%,97%,7,2,7
    155,717,433,30,463,65%,94%,4,3,4
    140,572,343,25,368,64%,93%,3,2,3
    224,713,350,107,457,64%,77%,3,1,4
    144,531,334,6,340,64%,98%,3,6,3
    232,350,180,43,223,64%,81%,1,4,2
    145,322,200,5,205,64%,98%,2,5,2
    254,299,143,47,190,64%,75%,1,4,1
    152,553,332,19,351,63%,95%,3,1,3
    120,738,447,20,467,63%,96%,4,2,4
    169,698,406,35,441,63%,92%,4,3,4
    195,665,382,38,420,63%,91%,3,3,4
    231,423,204,62,266,63%,77%,2,6,2
    324,175,84,26,110,63%,76%,8,2,1
    111,760,461,15,476,63%,97%,4,1,4
    229,534,272,62,334,63%,81%,2,6,3
    190,"1,448",685,218,903,62%,76%,6,2,9
    251,373,179,53,232,62%,77%,1,5,2
    110,540,324,11,335,62%,97%,3,1,3
    192,"1,307",657,152,809,62%,81%,6,1,8
    171,237,107,36,143,60%,75%,1,3,1
    315,"1,510",466,436,902,60%,52%,4,4,9
    256,447,214,51,265,59%,81%,2,5,2
    249,610,282,79,361,59%,78%,2,7,3
    191,932,399,141,540,58%,74%,3,1,5
    24,609,312,33,345,57%,90%,3,3,3
    106,562,307,11,318,57%,97%,3,1,3
    43,446,235,17,252,57%,93%,2,1,2
    198,"1,087",543,69,612,56%,89%,5,6,6
    130,794,267,78,345,43%,77%,2,7,3
    TOTALS,"315,483","194,646","48,213","242,859",84%,80%,,,
    ,,,,,,,Biden 1st Dig,Trump 1st Dig,All First Dig
    ,,,,,,Number of 1s,47,98,67
    ,,,,,,% of 1s:,14.5%,30.2%,20.7%
    ,,,,,,,,,
    ,,,,,,324 wards,,,
    ,,,,,,,,,
    source:,,,,,,,,,
    https://mkecitywire.com/stories/564495243-analysis-seven-milwaukee-wards-report-more-2020-presidential-votes-than-registered-voters-biden-nets-146k-votes-in-city,,,,,,,,,

    Replies: @res

    , @Jack D
    @Garlic

    It's very hard to obtain convictions based on Benford's Law. It seems unintuitive (shouldn't 1 to 9 be equally distributed by chance? The answer is no but it doesn't appear that way).

    Even if you can convince the court that Benford's Law is real and proves that there has been manipulation, you need to show more. Courts require evidence. WHO monkeyed with the numbers? HOW did they do it? WHERE and WHEN did this happen? WHO are the witnesses who will testify to this? WHERE are the documents that provide a paper trail ? And so on. Benford's Law is just the start of an inquiry, not the end.

    Replies: @Garlic, @res

  60. @eD
    Comparisons to 1960 and similar elections are cute, but this one is more comparable to 1876. And that did permanent damage in ushering in segregation and the two-party duopoly. Segregation stuck around until the 1960s, the two party duopoly is still with us, though it may be replaced by a corrupt one party state, which my in some ways be an improvement as it would be more honest.

    Nixon did not challenge the 1960 elections because, as other commentators noted, the Republicans were doing vote fabrication of their own, and Nixon liked Kennedy and had the two had few disagreements on politics. Nixon was in his early 40s and he knew he would get another chance. In 1968 he knew it was his last chance and fought dirtier.

    This one is on a much bigger scale, and since the Republican establishment also wants Trump out, the cheating is pretty much all on one side. This is really 1996 Russian election stuff we are dealing with.

    Replies: @peterike, @Redman, @MBlanc46

    the two party duopoly is still with us, though it may be replaced by a corrupt one party state, which my in some ways be an improvement as it would be more honest.

    Yeah, just like China.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @peterike

    We'd be lucky to get a govt like the CCP.

    CCP puts Han people first.

  61. The same people who told us the world’s most sophisticated intelligence service couldn’t possibly influence an American election, are now telling us that a bunch of women and inner city blacks are able to run rings around the cream of the GOP? Really?

    If you’ve ever met the kind of people who run Chicago or Boston today you know you aren’t dealing with any Mayor Dalies anymore.

    • Agree: Cortes
    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Or... the fact that the GOP is finding suspicious indications of fraud in various places is a sign that they didn't run rings around anyone.

    BTW, names don't follow y/ies pluralization rules in English.

    , @ic1000
    @Peter Akuleyev

    > The same people who told us the world’s most sophisticated intelligence service [the FSB] couldn’t possibly materially influence a $1.6 billion American election by spending $95,000 on social-media ads, are now telling us that a bunch of women and inner city blacks big-city political machines with experience in vote fraud, with the support of the see-no-evil media, are able to run rings around the cream of the GOP? Really?

    Really.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev

    , @AnotherDad
    @Peter Akuleyev


    The same people who told us the world’s most sophisticated intelligence service couldn’t possibly influence an American election, are now telling us that a bunch of women and inner city blacks are able to run rings around the cream of the GOP? Really?

    If you’ve ever met the kind of people who run Chicago or Boston today you know you aren’t dealing with any Mayor Dalies anymore.
     
    Genius.

    If the question is who is a better bet to influence an election in say Iraq, the FSB or the Chicago Democratic machine, you have a point.

    But if the question is who is better at manipulating the vote in Chicago ... uh ... i'll go with the Chicago Democratic machine. Cause they are, you know, there and well practiced.

    Who's better at microwaving a hotdog in my fridge, me or the FSB? The FSB has way way way more money and manpower ... but guess what it was me again! Cause i'm right here ... and I just wanted it more.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev

    , @peterike
    @Peter Akuleyev


    The same people who told us the world’s most sophisticated intelligence service couldn’t possibly influence an American election, are now telling us that a bunch of women and inner city blacks are able to run rings around the cream of the GOP? Really?
     
    Among all the stupid remarks being thrown about, this one is at some new level. Amazing.

    And who, pray, comprises "the cream of the GOP" in Democrat dominated cities and states? Where are they hiding? What power do they have? Do you have the slightest idea how American elections work?
  62. Double Standard in play:
    Northeast liberals imposed rules upon the South for voting due to a history of discriminatory practices, but assumed all along they would be exempt from such rules. It’s time to impose rules on regions where voting fraud has been documented.

    Defies Reason:
    How is it a demented old man and a former sex worker (thank you for that, Steve) garner more votes than a popular president?

    A setback is an opportunity:
    The corrective mechanism will follow this trend – allegation > investigation > court case > corrective measures. But let’s not stop there … investigation > criminal indictments > purge > the end of the Clintons , who will make the perfect example to the rest of the corrupt machine.

    Let’s get this ball rolling.

    • Agree: Joseph Doaks
  63. @Ali Choudhury
    Are there more recent examples than 1982? It's the same excuse making as the Dems with Facebook and Russian interference being responsible for 2016, although it's probably useful to rile up the rubes so both parties will keep alleging foul play. Trump lost by being less appealing to white men than he was in 2016.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @bomag, @Dumbo, @Polynikes, @fnn, @MBlanc46, @Sebastian Hawks

    Google is your friend (not literally, ha!): https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47323556

  64. In the end I don’t think you’ll see one single case of fraud so egregious that it will cause the election to be called into dispute. Rather, the strategy has always been death by a thousand pin pricks. The Dems harvested votes on a massive scale, but such a strategy isn’t clearly illegal and examples of abuses won’t be on a large enough scale to justify overturning the election. Mail in ballots gave the election to the Dems.

  65. @eD
    Comparisons to 1960 and similar elections are cute, but this one is more comparable to 1876. And that did permanent damage in ushering in segregation and the two-party duopoly. Segregation stuck around until the 1960s, the two party duopoly is still with us, though it may be replaced by a corrupt one party state, which my in some ways be an improvement as it would be more honest.

    Nixon did not challenge the 1960 elections because, as other commentators noted, the Republicans were doing vote fabrication of their own, and Nixon liked Kennedy and had the two had few disagreements on politics. Nixon was in his early 40s and he knew he would get another chance. In 1968 he knew it was his last chance and fought dirtier.

    This one is on a much bigger scale, and since the Republican establishment also wants Trump out, the cheating is pretty much all on one side. This is really 1996 Russian election stuff we are dealing with.

    Replies: @peterike, @Redman, @MBlanc46

    There’s a lot of pressure internationally to end this as well. The US is still the largest economy and military in the world. It’s easy for us normal Americans to forget that sometimes.

    The more this starts to look like a coup, and that we are a banana republic (posing as the world’s most stable country), the scarier this becomes to people around the world. It’s not just the bureaucratic blob the wants Trump’s populist nationalism to die. It’s a network of foreign elites who fear their own populations will get crazy political ideas like: If the US deep state can’t control its own disaffected masses, then what hope does any other country have?

  66. @128
    @Jack D

    Well you actually see Syria self segregating into Vision A and Vision B now, so that can work, the trans Jordan also self segregated into Vision A and B after 1948 and 1967, so did India and Pakistan after 1947. Certainly there is enough military equipment lying around to get the job done. And I thought you people like to complain how the US how way too many people anyway?

    Replies: @Jack D

    Approximately 2% of Syria’s prewar population has died in its civil war and there are 5.5 million refugees (1/4 of the population) which would equate to 7 million dead and 75 million refugees in the US. And Assad gets to preside over a ruined nation.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Syrian_Civil_War#:~:text=Estimates%20of%20the%20total%20number,had%20died%20in%20the%20war.

    Sure, if 7 million people dying and much of the US reduced to rubble doesn’t bother you, then it can be done. Bring it on! But it bothers me. It’s the last thing I want to see. It probably would BE the last thing that I would see. No thank you. I’d rather we keep muddling thru with our current mess, as deeply flawed as it is.

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian
    • Disagree: Stan d Mute
  67. @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    But I bet those 21% of Cook County precincts that hadn't reported weren't a bunch of unreliable Lakefront Liberals, but were instead led by good friends of Hizzoner.

    Nobody seems curious in 2020 about why urban districts with the highest population densities and the shortest travel distances are the slowest to count their votes.

    Replies: @Ali Choudhury, @Barnard, @Hangnail Hans, @Intelligent Dasein, @megabar, @Kronos

    Nobody seems curious in 2020 about why urban districts with the highest population densities and the shortest travel distances are the slowest to count their votes.

    For some reason this scene comes in mind.

    • Agree: TontoBubbaGoldstein
  68. @Peter Akuleyev
    The same people who told us the world's most sophisticated intelligence service couldn't possibly influence an American election, are now telling us that a bunch of women and inner city blacks are able to run rings around the cream of the GOP? Really?

    If you've ever met the kind of people who run Chicago or Boston today you know you aren't dealing with any Mayor Dalies anymore.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @ic1000, @AnotherDad, @peterike

    Or… the fact that the GOP is finding suspicious indications of fraud in various places is a sign that they didn’t run rings around anyone.

    BTW, names don’t follow y/ies pluralization rules in English.

  69. @Garlic
    An important indicator of electoral fraud is to see how the first digit of the reported results conform with expected results under Benford’s Law.

    The article below has a table showing Milwaukee’s reported totals by ward:

    https://mkecitywire.com/stories/564495243-analysis-seven-milwaukee-wards-report-more-2020-presidential-votes-than-registered-voters-biden-nets-146k-votes-in-city

    According to Benford’s Law, we’d expect the first digit of reported returns to be 1 approximately 30.1% of the time. See:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benford%27s_law

    Here are the actual results, calculated by me from the table above:

    324 wards total
    Biden leading 1s: 47/324 = 14.5%
    Trump leading 1s: 98/324 = 30.2%

    Replies: @Garlic, @Jack D

    Further to my earlier post, showing Milwaukee ward totals for Trump with leading 1s to be 31.2%, almost exactly the total expected under Benford’s Law of 31.1%, but Biden’s percent to be an unlikely 14.5%:

    I am attaching my actual data below the “More” tag. Anyone who wants to verify my results can copy and paste the data into Excel, choose Text to Columns, with commas as the delimiters.

    [MORE]

    Voting Ward,Reg Voters,Biden Votes,Trump Votes,TOTAL,Turnout,Biden %,Biden 1st Dig,Trump 1st Dig,All First Dig
    326,4,2,3,5,125%,40%,2,3,5
    312,”1,029″,553,389,942,92%,59%,5,3,9
    272,”1,190″,512,567,”1,079″,91%,47%,5,5,1
    273,671,313,290,603,90%,52%,3,2,6
    267,723,362,285,647,89%,56%,3,2,6
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    24,609,312,33,345,57%,90%,3,3,3
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    43,446,235,17,252,57%,93%,2,1,2
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    130,794,267,78,345,43%,77%,2,7,3
    TOTALS,”315,483″,”194,646″,”48,213″,”242,859″,84%,80%,,,
    ,,,,,,,Biden 1st Dig,Trump 1st Dig,All First Dig
    ,,,,,,Number of 1s,47,98,67
    ,,,,,,% of 1s:,14.5%,30.2%,20.7%
    ,,,,,,,,,
    ,,,,,,324 wards,,,
    ,,,,,,,,,
    source:,,,,,,,,,
    https://mkecitywire.com/stories/564495243-analysis-seven-milwaukee-wards-report-more-2020-presidential-votes-than-registered-voters-biden-nets-146k-votes-in-city,,,,,,,,,

    • Replies: @res
    @Garlic

    I looked at the numbers for Detroit and Milwaukee. Discussed here and in following comments.
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/by-any-means-necessary-2/#comment-4265751

    It looks to me like the simple Benford's law violations are an artifact of the sizes of the wards/precincts.

    I do think there are some suspicious results from more sophisticated tests along those lines.

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  70. @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Thoughts


    I’m curious about the deal the Republicans worked out with the Democrats over all this cheating.
     
    Wouldn't surprise me.

    Supposedly Trump was messing with everyone's lobbying income streams.

    I can easily see the GOPe offering to roll over if they could keep the Senate.

    Then, everyone in official DC can return to gorging themselves at the trough, no harm, no foul.

    Replies: @ThisIsAnon153Replying

    They’re gonna lose the senate too, when both Georgia runoffs happen. That’s what happens when you make a deal with the devil.

    Or maybe they’ll rig that race for the GOP just to humiliate Trump more. Who knows anymore.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @ThisIsAnon153Replying


    They’re gonna lose the senate too, when both Georgia runoffs happen. That’s what happens when you make a deal with the devil.
     
    Yes, I believe they will print up enough ballots to win those runoffs as well as the Senate race in Michigan.
  71. @ThisIsAnon153Replying
    Look, let's see the demographics here.

    The USA is (legally) what, 63% white? And white population is concentrated among Boomers and Silents. Who knows what the illegal population is. But let's say that ~55% of working age people are white.

    It's not far off from brazil demographics. A country that is 45% third world will be, well, third world. I know more non whites voted Republican. A "right wing"/nationalist 3rd world country is still 3rd world (Brazil, Philipines). No shit the Dems cheated. Republicans don't understand that it's a new game.

    The USA has been on borrowed time for a *long* time. It's just now starting to catch up to reality. And this is only the beginning.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @bomag, @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous Jew

    No 💩 the Dems cheated. Republicans don’t understand that it’s a new game.

    Democrats have been cheating since the very beginning. They have 200 years of experience in an old, old game. Digital Daleyism is just the console game version. Super Mario Andrew, if you will.

    Republicans were– and are– a gaggle of goo-goos who came together to combat the “twin relics of barbarism”, slavery and polygamy. Both of which were themselves instances of Democratic cheating, though under the cover of law.

    Utah wasn’t the first place in the world to practice universal female suffrage because of Seneca Falls. They derived it from another upstate village– Palmyra.

  72. Can one of you brainiacs figure out if vote fraud is statistically significant?

  73. @Garlic
    An important indicator of electoral fraud is to see how the first digit of the reported results conform with expected results under Benford’s Law.

    The article below has a table showing Milwaukee’s reported totals by ward:

    https://mkecitywire.com/stories/564495243-analysis-seven-milwaukee-wards-report-more-2020-presidential-votes-than-registered-voters-biden-nets-146k-votes-in-city

    According to Benford’s Law, we’d expect the first digit of reported returns to be 1 approximately 30.1% of the time. See:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benford%27s_law

    Here are the actual results, calculated by me from the table above:

    324 wards total
    Biden leading 1s: 47/324 = 14.5%
    Trump leading 1s: 98/324 = 30.2%

    Replies: @Garlic, @Jack D

    It’s very hard to obtain convictions based on Benford’s Law. It seems unintuitive (shouldn’t 1 to 9 be equally distributed by chance? The answer is no but it doesn’t appear that way).

    Even if you can convince the court that Benford’s Law is real and proves that there has been manipulation, you need to show more. Courts require evidence. WHO monkeyed with the numbers? HOW did they do it? WHERE and WHEN did this happen? WHO are the witnesses who will testify to this? WHERE are the documents that provide a paper trail ? And so on. Benford’s Law is just the start of an inquiry, not the end.

    • Replies: @Garlic
    @Jack D

    Jack D, I agree a violation of Benford’s Law is not in and of itself proof of electoral fraud, but it is a good flag that deeper investigations are needed.

    Similarly, if 100 people in a row voted in the exact alphabetical order they were listed under in the electoral register, that by itself would not be proof of fraud, but it would be suspicious, and not something one would think fair minded watchdogs would be curiously incurious about.

    , @res
    @Jack D

    As Garlic said, Benford's law (and similar tests) is most useful for telling us where to look more closely. And perhaps providing probable cause to do so.

  74. @Hangnail Hans
    @ThisIsAnon153Replying

    In Brazil the white people don't hate white people. That's a pretty fundamental difference. Though, wouldn't you know it , a cadre of 'usual suspects' are trying to change all that.

    Replies: @Dandy

    We Brazilians are catching up fast to the lunacy the American Left are producing. Just the other day I heard a white leftist lawyer complain on TV about violence against “corpos negros” (black bodies) to an audience that was likely confused by the term (they probably thought he was denouncing people for beating on corpses of black people). So we are entering the Ta-Nehisi stage already. Maybe in 5 years we will be at the Kendi stage

    • Thanks: Hangnail Hans
  75. @Jack D
    @Garlic

    It's very hard to obtain convictions based on Benford's Law. It seems unintuitive (shouldn't 1 to 9 be equally distributed by chance? The answer is no but it doesn't appear that way).

    Even if you can convince the court that Benford's Law is real and proves that there has been manipulation, you need to show more. Courts require evidence. WHO monkeyed with the numbers? HOW did they do it? WHERE and WHEN did this happen? WHO are the witnesses who will testify to this? WHERE are the documents that provide a paper trail ? And so on. Benford's Law is just the start of an inquiry, not the end.

    Replies: @Garlic, @res

    Jack D, I agree a violation of Benford’s Law is not in and of itself proof of electoral fraud, but it is a good flag that deeper investigations are needed.

    Similarly, if 100 people in a row voted in the exact alphabetical order they were listed under in the electoral register, that by itself would not be proof of fraud, but it would be suspicious, and not something one would think fair minded watchdogs would be curiously incurious about.

    • Agree: Bernard
  76. @DanHessinMD
    Steve and commenters:

    I really don't want to lose my head and become a crazy conspiracy theorist. But what can explain this:

    Absentee ballots have broken hard for Biden particularly where he needed it. Supposedly mail-in votes were 80-20 for Biden in Pennsylvania to reverse Trump's massive lead, but mail-in votes were close to 50-50 in Florida.

    How does this make any sense? The absentee gap was +57.7 for Biden two days after the election in Pennsylvania and then it actually increased to +60 for Biden. What? It was only +15 in neighboring Ohio where attitudes toward early voting are surely similar. Absentee ballots were almost even in Florida. It may be true that Biden voters were a little more likely to vote by mail but how can it be like this? Older Americans are the ones most likely to vote by mail, and they skew Republican.

    These absentee votes were counted in secret in Philadelphia, without Republican observers, who were barred from watching. Republicans had to repeatedly sue because they were being blocked from their legal right to be observers.

    https://twitter.com/yinonw/status/1324223988747304961

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmCWIKpUcAA_g44?format=jpg&name=large

    Since that tweet was written the gap has grown to 80-20.

    I really want to check myself here because I don't want to go all Alex Jones but is there any reason why absentee ballots would break in such an extreme way in Pennsylvania but not in Ohio or Florida?

    All the time that these tallies were coming in, Republicans were fighting in court to be allowed to be observers and Democrats were fighting in court on the other side, even as votes were being counted.

    What rational explanation is there for this? I am not asking why Democrats are were likely to vote by mail (I get that there is some difference due to COVID) but why PA was +60 Biden on absentee voting while Ohio was only +15 and Florida was even?

    Replies: @anon, @The Wild Geese Howard, @James Braxton

    Absentee ballots have broken hard for Biden particularly where he needed it.

    How does this make any sense?

    What rational explanation is there for this?

  77. Anon[761] • Disclaimer says:
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    Adept vote concoction is a traditional folk art practiced mostly in big cities with a Catholic political heritage
     
    What could he mean by this

    Replies: @Anon

    I think he’s saying that there is a strain of politician corruption in the cultures of those with Catholic backgrounds that is much less evident in the culture of Protestants.

    There is at least some truth in that. Consider European politics: the crooked politicians in Europe seem to come from Southern and Eastern Europe, much less so from Northern Europe and the UK.

  78. @Peter Akuleyev
    The same people who told us the world's most sophisticated intelligence service couldn't possibly influence an American election, are now telling us that a bunch of women and inner city blacks are able to run rings around the cream of the GOP? Really?

    If you've ever met the kind of people who run Chicago or Boston today you know you aren't dealing with any Mayor Dalies anymore.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @ic1000, @AnotherDad, @peterike

    > The same people who told us the world’s most sophisticated intelligence service [the FSB] couldn’t possibly materially influence a $1.6 billion American election by spending $95,000 on social-media ads, are now telling us that a bunch of women and inner city blacks big-city political machines with experience in vote fraud, with the support of the see-no-evil media, are able to run rings around the cream of the GOP? Really?

    Really.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    @ic1000

    Where does your $95K number come from?

    Replies: @ic1000

  79. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    We tried that once and it didn't work out well. And that time it was easier to see where the borders should be.

    Where are the borders between the Vision A/ Vision B country supposed to be?

    Sure, the West Coast and the East Coast from VA to the Canadian border got to the Vision B land (let's call it Wakanda) but what about the rest? (Kind of a shame that Wakanda gets the financial center, Silicon Valley, the aircraft factories in WA and the former Federal capital, but whaddaya gonna do...)

    Lots of blacks in the South but most blacks subscribe to Vision B (mainly the gib me dats part of the vision but still, if Vision A is "Republican" and Vision B is "Democrat" (and it is) then blacks belong to Vision B).

    There are a lot (in fact most) states where the big cities and their suburbs (which contain maybe 1/2 the population despite occupying 5% of the territory) subscribe mainly to Vision B but the rest of the state believes in Vision A. How does that work? Do all the Vision B people have to leave Chicago, Detroit, Milwaukee, etc. when their states end up in Vision A land and where do they go?

    Most university towns (and faculty) subscribe to Vision B. Admittedly a lot of stuff in universities nowadays is worthless but there is still some science going on. How does Vision A land (Columbia?) get on if 90% of the intelligentsia flees to Wakanda?

    I just don't see it. The cure would be worse than the disease. Disappearing everyone who disagrees with you is a pleasant fantasy but the reality is much more grim.

    Replies: @128, @anon, @AnotherDad, @Anonymousse, @MBlanc46

    United Van Lines

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    You are fooling yourself if you think this could be accomplished peacefully. What if I told you that your home had been assigned to Wakandaland, but the good news is that a home that is "just as good" is waiting for you in Bumfark, Mississippi? Are you going to start packing voluntarily?


    I think you are expecting for OTHER folks to have to move but you are staying right where you are. Surely where you live is going to be part of Good and Trueland and you won't have to go anywhere. Guess what, the folks in Wakandaland are thinking the same thing - they would like your fair city to be a part of Wakandaland. Maybe a bunch of them will pay your family a visit late at night and "suggest" that you should leave. Or maybe they'll just shoot you on the spot because they heard you were a racist. As a bonus, this will encourage some of your neighbors to leave too.

    At the beginning of a civil war, both sides think that THEIR side will quickly prevail. A few little skirmishes and it will all be over. The other guys are a bunch of wusses. 3 or 4 years and millions of dead later, they're not so sure.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @BenKenobi

  80. @BB753
    As I said before the elections, it's gonna take a lot more voting fraud than in 2016 for Dems to win. At this point , there's not much that Trump can do, except a counter-coup.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    there’s not much that Trump can do, except a counter-coup.

    It doesn’t look like there are enough white hats at any level of government to support a counter-coup.

    That’s really bad.

    • Agree: BB753
    • Replies: @BB753
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    There are virtually no Trumpists in the government. Even Ivanka and Jared Kushner were on the other side, backstabbing Trump at every turn.
    "Kai sú, paidé? " as Caesar said in the original Greek : "You too, child?"

  81. @Hangnail Hans
    @Steve Sailer

    The way it works is, we only discover election fraud decades after the fact, usually when the major players are dead and gone.

    Then everyone can act shocked, shocked at the skullduggery back in the old days. Or they can just laugh at what people "used to" get away with. Nobody would dare try that today, except maybe those fanatics in the other party.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    Incrementalism has been a tried and true social engineering mechanism for decades.

  82. @DanHessinMD
    Steve and commenters:

    I really don't want to lose my head and become a crazy conspiracy theorist. But what can explain this:

    Absentee ballots have broken hard for Biden particularly where he needed it. Supposedly mail-in votes were 80-20 for Biden in Pennsylvania to reverse Trump's massive lead, but mail-in votes were close to 50-50 in Florida.

    How does this make any sense? The absentee gap was +57.7 for Biden two days after the election in Pennsylvania and then it actually increased to +60 for Biden. What? It was only +15 in neighboring Ohio where attitudes toward early voting are surely similar. Absentee ballots were almost even in Florida. It may be true that Biden voters were a little more likely to vote by mail but how can it be like this? Older Americans are the ones most likely to vote by mail, and they skew Republican.

    These absentee votes were counted in secret in Philadelphia, without Republican observers, who were barred from watching. Republicans had to repeatedly sue because they were being blocked from their legal right to be observers.

    https://twitter.com/yinonw/status/1324223988747304961

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmCWIKpUcAA_g44?format=jpg&name=large

    Since that tweet was written the gap has grown to 80-20.

    I really want to check myself here because I don't want to go all Alex Jones but is there any reason why absentee ballots would break in such an extreme way in Pennsylvania but not in Ohio or Florida?

    All the time that these tallies were coming in, Republicans were fighting in court to be allowed to be observers and Democrats were fighting in court on the other side, even as votes were being counted.

    What rational explanation is there for this? I am not asking why Democrats are were likely to vote by mail (I get that there is some difference due to COVID) but why PA was +60 Biden on absentee voting while Ohio was only +15 and Florida was even?

    Replies: @anon, @The Wild Geese Howard, @James Braxton

    One point to note about Ohio is they regularly purge their voter rolls every few years.

    Their process was challenged and upheld by SCOTUS in 2018.

    I don’t know if PA or FL do similar purges.

  83. @Stan Adams
    @Hugo Silva

    America isn't nearly as European as it used to be.

    Replies: @Gordo

    America isn’t nearly as European as it used to be.

    Which is just another way of saying that America isn’t as American as it used to be.

    • Agree: Hangnail Hans
  84. @AnotherDad
    @Dumbo


    Maybe Repuglycans should start cheating in elections too? Or plan a coup.
    I mean why not, at this point. It’s a banana republic already anyway.
     
    Maybe we should start by just proposing the obvious: Separation.

    A nation presupposes a people.

    We are not one people.

    Our political arguments are not fundamentally over "taxes" or "spending" or "health care" or even "war and peace". They are arguments over identity and legitimacy.

    Is America the nation of Washington, Jefferson, Franklin? Are we the nation of settlers and pioneers? Is America a great achievement? Are we a republic with majority rule, federalism and constrained, limited government? Are we a child of Anglo-Saxon peoples and culture? Are we rooted in Western civilization?

    Or are we "a nation of immigrants"? Those founders just a bunch of slave owning or "slavery adjacent" racists? Our real founding in 1619? "The 'dreamers' are our future!" "Civil rights" our constitution? The Supreme Court the final authority? "Diversity our greatest strength?"

    I say yes to vision A. (And furthermore that vision B is not just false, but logically incoherent).

    They say yes to vision B.

    ~~

    Separate peoples. So ... separate nations.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Keypusher, @Bernard, @Anonymous

    Separation presupposes the capacity to separate.
    Which doesn’t exist, unless you can organize a Seccession Party and seize several state legislatures and persuade the other states and the Federal government to let you go. And the first step is a no-hoper, to say nothing of the subsequent ones.

    People spent a lot of time in these threads proposing absolute chimeras. This was a good election in a lot of ways! Why not try to build on it?

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
    @Keypusher


    This was a good election in a lot of ways! Why not try to build on it?
     
    You can't build on sand. Or mud.

    This is _not_ going to end well.
  85. MacDonald has, on this site, written a few good things we all know, but it is worth stressing them again & again:

    The interesting thing is that the only group to show less support for Trump compared to 2016 is White men. There could be any number of explanations for this, and we await from real data. Perhaps Trump was seen as ignoring his White base, constantly highlighting what he has done for Blacks and Latinos, but never saying anything explicitly about Whites, much less White men. I doubt this explanation because White women increased their support for Trump, and the marriage gap was huge. His rallies were attended overwhelmingly by massively enthusiastic White people — enough in itself to terrify our hostile elites. And the same goes for beliefs about Trump’s handling of the virus or the GOP health care package (or lack thereof). Why should these issues make supporting Trump go down among White men but up among White women?

  86. Last night, I watched the NBC Evening News. Anchor Lester Holt and his reporters brought up voting irregularities only in the context of Trump falsely claiming there has been fraud — there’s just no credible evidence. During the reports, the crawl at the bottom of the screen was (approx.) TRUMP FALSELY CLAIMS VOTER FRAUD.

    One segment had a reporter interviewing a professor-expert, emphasizing the point. He pointed out that (1) there is no evidence of fraud, (2) there was no fraud, and (3) by now, any wrongly-cast ballots have now been merged with all the others, so there’s no longer any evidence to find, leaving a hypothetical court unable to make a meaningful ruling. If people wanted to complain, why didn’t they say something before the election?

    I pointed out the Pravda-esque logic of #3 to Mrs. ic1000, and it did give her pause. But most people here in Rust Belt City believe that Lester Holt’s basic motivation is to impartially report what’s true and important. And when he does make a mistake, it’s an honest one, sure to be corrected. A viewer would have to be pretty arrogant to think they have more subject area knowledge that the staff of NBC News!

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    @ic1000

    Point 1 is the important point. Trump has presented no evidence. Even worse he has been yelling about fraud since 2016 (when he thought he might need an excuse if he lost to Rodham) and in four years has never presented any evidence. Naturally no one takes him seriously any more. Trump has used “fraud! Fraud!” so many times, he is like the boy who cried wolf. It would be ironic if he were right this time, but again absolutely no evidence.

    Replies: @ic1000, @anon, @Authenticjazzman

  87. @Peter Akuleyev
    The same people who told us the world's most sophisticated intelligence service couldn't possibly influence an American election, are now telling us that a bunch of women and inner city blacks are able to run rings around the cream of the GOP? Really?

    If you've ever met the kind of people who run Chicago or Boston today you know you aren't dealing with any Mayor Dalies anymore.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @ic1000, @AnotherDad, @peterike

    The same people who told us the world’s most sophisticated intelligence service couldn’t possibly influence an American election, are now telling us that a bunch of women and inner city blacks are able to run rings around the cream of the GOP? Really?

    If you’ve ever met the kind of people who run Chicago or Boston today you know you aren’t dealing with any Mayor Dalies anymore.

    Genius.

    If the question is who is a better bet to influence an election in say Iraq, the FSB or the Chicago Democratic machine, you have a point.

    But if the question is who is better at manipulating the vote in Chicago … uh … i’ll go with the Chicago Democratic machine. Cause they are, you know, there and well practiced.

    Who’s better at microwaving a hotdog in my fridge, me or the FSB? The FSB has way way way more money and manpower … but guess what it was me again! Cause i’m right here … and I just wanted it more.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    @AnotherDad

    Chicago is of course irrelevant since no one is arguing Trump actually won Illinois (or NY or Boston). The case for Trump is arguing massive fraud in Atlanta, Phoenix and Minneapolis. Come on.

    Replies: @DPG

  88. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D

    United Van Lines

    Replies: @Jack D

    You are fooling yourself if you think this could be accomplished peacefully. What if I told you that your home had been assigned to Wakandaland, but the good news is that a home that is “just as good” is waiting for you in Bumfark, Mississippi? Are you going to start packing voluntarily?

    I think you are expecting for OTHER folks to have to move but you are staying right where you are. Surely where you live is going to be part of Good and Trueland and you won’t have to go anywhere. Guess what, the folks in Wakandaland are thinking the same thing – they would like your fair city to be a part of Wakandaland. Maybe a bunch of them will pay your family a visit late at night and “suggest” that you should leave. Or maybe they’ll just shoot you on the spot because they heard you were a racist. As a bonus, this will encourage some of your neighbors to leave too.

    At the beginning of a civil war, both sides think that THEIR side will quickly prevail. A few little skirmishes and it will all be over. The other guys are a bunch of wusses. 3 or 4 years and millions of dead later, they’re not so sure.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
    @Jack D


    I think you are expecting for OTHER folks to have to move but you are staying right where you are. Surely where you live is going to be part of Good and Trueland and you won’t have to go anywhere. Guess what, the folks in Wakandaland are thinking the same thing – they would like your fair city to be a part of Wakandaland. Maybe a bunch of them will pay your family a visit late at night and “suggest” that you should leave. Or maybe they’ll just shoot you on the spot because they heard you were a racist. As a bonus, this will encourage some of your neighbors to leave too.
     
    I'd say a shooting war is only a possibility if both sides want a single unitary country to remain, but with their side on top - forever. Otherwise, I expect an amicable settlement to be possible. Neither side wants to lose large numbers of their young men. I'd expect partition to follow the lines of what went on in Czechoslovakia. We don't really have any deep historical enmities dividing us. The War of Northern Aggression is a distant memory, and our dividing lines have little to do with that conflict.
    , @BenKenobi
    @Jack D

    Alright, let's do it.

  89. Per the discussion in the OP, it seems like a key ingredient for successful election fraud is to be able to figure out how many votes you have to deliver to put your candidate over the top. But it’s only once the counting is well underway that you have access to the numbers you need to do a reliable projection of what that number is — if extra votes are needed at all.

    It follows that an early declaration of how many ballots remain to be counted is a mark of clean(er) elections — it means the manipulator has to do his work twice over, subtracting as well as adding.

    The states whose electoral practices are generating controversy are Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. It seems they could be matched, case-control style, with demographically similar states that aren’t in the spotlight.

    [MORE]

    It’s fine if the control states also have big-city jurisdictions that are susceptible to large-scale corruption. Since these states were chosen for their large Biden/Trump spreads, the incentive for fraud is low or nonexistent.

    If large-scale fraud did take place in one or more of the contentious states, it should be discernible.

    Arizona and Nevada — match with New Mexico (54% Biden/44% Trump), Colorado (55/42), Idaho (33/64).
    Michigan and Wisconsin — match with Minnesota (53/45), Iowa (45/53), Missouri (41/57).
    Georgia and North Carolina — match with South Carolina (44/55), Virginia (54/45)
    Pennsylvania — match with Ohio (42/53), New Jersey (60/40).

    For each contested state and its control:
    * How soon after the polls closed was “Ballots remaining to be counted” announced?
    * How stable was the sum of “Ballots counted” plus “Ballots remaining to be counted” over time?
    * Compare the Biden/Trump splits of 2020’s late-counted precincts with the splits of the early-counted precincts. Then compare these precincts’ Biden/Trump 2020 splits with their 2016 Clinton/Trump splits. Evidence of manipulation would be if the late 2020 precincts have higher Democratic tilt than the early 2020 precincts, and also higher Dem tilt than the same precincts in 2016.
    * For the mail-in vote: how did late-counted ballots split Biden/Trump, compared to vote-by-mail ballots that arrived by election day?

  90. Larry Correia, an accountant turned SF writer, has experience with audits and has a few things to say about red flags for fraud, in his inimitably salty style.

    https://monsterhunternation.com/2020/11/05/the-2020-election-fuckery-is-afoot/

    Last night I was on Facebook talking about the crazy high, 3rd world dictatorship level voter turnout levels in the deep blue areas of these swing states was very suspicious. Somebody gas lighted me about how “I’d have to do better than that”, so this was my quick reply, listing off the questionable bullshit I could think of off the top of my head:

    The massive turn out alone is a red flag.

    But as for doing better…

    The late night spikes that were enough to close all the Trump leads are a red flag.

    The statistically impossible breakdown of the ratios of these vote dumps is a red flag.

    The ratios of these dumps being far better than the percentages in the bluest of blue cities, even though the historical data does not match, red flag.

    The ratios of these vote dumps favoring Biden more in these few battlegrounds than the ratio for the rest of the country (even the bluest of the blue) red flag.

    Biden outperforming Obama among these few urban vote dumps, even though Trump picked up points in every demographic group in the rest of the country, red flag.

    The poll observers being removed. Red flag.

    The counters cheering as GOP observers are removed, red flag.

    The fact that the dem observers outnumber the GOP observers 3 to 1, red flag (and basis of the first lawsuit filed)

    The electioneering at the polls (on video), red flag.

    The willful violation of the court order requiring the separation of ballots by type, red flag.

    USPS whistleblower reporting to the Inspector General that today they were ordered to backdate ballots to yesterday, red flag.

    The video of 2 AM deliveries of what appear to be boxes of ballots with no chain of custody or other observers right before the late night miracle spikes, red flag.

    Any of those things would be enough to trigger an audit in the normal world. This many flags and I’d be giggling in anticipation of catching some thieves.

    And it isn’t that I have to do better. I’m just an gen pop observer who happens to be a retired auditor with a finely tuned bullshit detector. This is going to the courts.

  91. @Dumbo
    @Ali Choudhury


    Trump lost by being less appealing to white men than he was in 2016.
     
    From what I've read, Trump in 2020 got 10% more votes (in absolute numbers) than in 2016. What's extremely unusual is that an even higher number of people voted for Biden. Maybe voters decided that this election was *really* important. Maybe they didn't have much to do during the lockdown and decided to vote by mail. Or maybe...

    Replies: @fnn

    Yeah, people wanted to come out and show their support for the FBI, CIA and the Big Tech plutocrats.

  92. I think the lesson to be learned here is that voter fraud is a really good idea.

    You get to win the election–and that is kinda the point, right.

    Everyone running for office understands now–no point in campaigning since the best cheater wins.

    Let the games begin!

  93. @Anonymous

    Mayor Daley would hold back the “River Wards” to see what the Republican total outside Chicago and how many he needed to overcome it.
     
    Excuse me, sir, are you unaware that Wikipedia says this is a myth?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1960_United_States_presidential_election

    A myth arose that Mayor Daley held back much of the city's vote until the late morning hours of November 9. Yet when the Republican Chicago Tribune went to press, 79% of Cook County precincts had reported, compared with just 62% of Illinois's precincts overall. Moreover, Nixon never led in Illinois, and Kennedy's lead merely shrank as election night went on.[70]
     

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @nebulafox, @The Alarmist

    Gee, does a WikiPedia already have a page for Election Fraud 2020? All of the MSM are referring to Mr. Trump’s allegations of fraud as baseless and unfounded because, hey, “We in the MSM only deal in facts.” Since the science of US vote counting is settled, Mr. Trump’s allegations should already be noted in WikiPedia as being a myth too.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @The Alarmist


    All of the MSM are referring to Mr. Trump’s allegations of fraud as baseless and unfounded because, hey, “We in the MSM only deal in facts.”
     
    The AP says that the allegations of fraud are baseless. The AP's allegations of baselessness are themselves baseless. Overt slanting of the news has massively increased over the last four years. So-called neutral news outlets like the AP and NBC now sound like Pravda.

    Replies: @anon

  94. @Ali Choudhury
    Are there more recent examples than 1982? It's the same excuse making as the Dems with Facebook and Russian interference being responsible for 2016, although it's probably useful to rile up the rubes so both parties will keep alleging foul play. Trump lost by being less appealing to white men than he was in 2016.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @bomag, @Dumbo, @Polynikes, @fnn, @MBlanc46, @Sebastian Hawks

    One of those racialized consent decrees:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/vote-fraud-never-happens-except-where-it-does/#comment-4267447
    None of this is new. It’s just being Noticed a bit more because a 1982 court agreement is no longer in effect. This is very important, here is a pro-R source on the topic. The facts are not in dispute, however. For 36 years the R’s have been unable to contest fraudulent voting nationwide because of this 1982 judge.

    https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/end-of-1982-consent-decree-gop-finally-can-contest-vote-fraud-after-36-years/

  95. Anonymous[297] • Disclaimer says:

    Tucker has a good monologue on this.

    https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020/11/06/tucker-carlson-lack-of-confidence-in-elections-destroys-social-trust-sets-the-table-for-awful-things-to-come/

    What we are witnessing is a relatively bloodless coup thus far. JFK was murdered but so were far many more witnesses etc. So far, it mainly has been BLM related deaths in this era.

    I imagine the media were complicit in JFK’s day, just like they have been with Trump. How many producers etc are there? Not that many, really. They face no consequences to their actions, they believe they can operate with impunity.

    What is clear is that they want us to be disenfranchised, emasculated, powerless. They want us gone. They used the Judas goat Biden to try to con us into thinking he represents us, they had the tech giants gag the president and countless others, they used their poll-based demoralization tactics to supress our vote, and when that didn’t quite succeed, they now commit election fraud.

    Was the white population so terrible that we deserved this treatment? What had Trump done that was so bad?

  96. @Peter Akuleyev
    The same people who told us the world's most sophisticated intelligence service couldn't possibly influence an American election, are now telling us that a bunch of women and inner city blacks are able to run rings around the cream of the GOP? Really?

    If you've ever met the kind of people who run Chicago or Boston today you know you aren't dealing with any Mayor Dalies anymore.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @ic1000, @AnotherDad, @peterike

    The same people who told us the world’s most sophisticated intelligence service couldn’t possibly influence an American election, are now telling us that a bunch of women and inner city blacks are able to run rings around the cream of the GOP? Really?

    Among all the stupid remarks being thrown about, this one is at some new level. Amazing.

    And who, pray, comprises “the cream of the GOP” in Democrat dominated cities and states? Where are they hiding? What power do they have? Do you have the slightest idea how American elections work?

  97. anon[216] • Disclaimer says:

    Adept vote concoction is a traditional folk art practiced mostly in big cities with a Catholic political heritage from roughly Boston in the east to maybe Kansas City in the west.

    To be fair Steve, and in deference to HBDChick, your most important intellectual descendant, as you know this is a side-effect of the fact that the Catholic heritage in this region is Irish/Southern Italian, ie from almost the last two areas of Catholic Europe to emerge from a clannish, low-trust state. If all the Catholics of Boston, Philly and Chicago were of Rhineland descent, ie from the Continental birthplace of high-trust Europe, these cities would be models of political honesty.

  98. I saw something on CBS where there was much ado about a white Republican who was caught trying to cast his dead mother’s vote.

    • Replies: @res
    @Bill Jones


    I saw something on CBS where there was much ado about a white Republican who was caught trying to cast his dead mother’s vote.
     
    Part of anarcho-tyranny is coming down hard on any deplorable who has the gall to violate the law while ignoring more widespread and egregious violations by others.

    Get used to it.
  99. A Newsmax interviewer asked Illinois’s esteemed ex-governor/jailbird Rod Blagojevich his thoughts on the current debacle. His response was, “If you’re asking me if the Democrats are stealing votes in Pennsylvania, I’d reply, “Is the Pope Catholic?’”

  100. @Pat Hannagan
    Adept vote concoction is a traditional folk art practiced mostly in big cities with a Catholic political heritage from roughly Boston in the east to maybe Kansas City in the west.

    And you yet you call your president "leader of the free world". He didn't even have the wherewithal to command his own twitter account ffs, yet now you blame the Irish Catholics?!

    The bloke is a meshuganah and sellout of the highest order who has already received his reward with an Israel suburb named after his handing over of Syria's Golan Heights to Israel.

    He'll be alright. His future is the least of your worries.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-64CaD8GXw

    Replies: @ken, @YetAnotherAnon

    “Adept vote concoction is a traditional folk art practiced mostly in big cities with a Catholic political heritage…”

    Before Pakistanis and Bangladeshis arrived in large numbers, the only vote fraud tradition I was aware of was in the Catholic bits of Ulster.

    And Ireland has been pretty corrupt for a long time. Guardian, no friend of Britain, in 2000.

    https://www.theguardian.com/theobserver/2000/sep/03/features.magazine57

    Haughey was a career politician whose annual salary even as Taoiseach in the 90s never exceeded £75,000 per annum. Yet more than £8.5m flowed through Haughey’s secret bank accounts to fund his lavish lifestyle.

    The hidden accounts, the secret transfers, and the network of the rich and powerful who made out their cheques to ‘Charles Haughey & Co’ point to one conclusion; that Charles Haughey ran for public office to make himself rich and then ran Ireland and the Irish State for the benefit of his cronies. It was a neat quid pro quo and the quid ended up in Charlie’s pocket…

    For the past 40 years, bribery and corruption, rather than elections, were the life-blood of Irish politics.

  101. @Hugo Silva
    Don't you have observers from both parties in each precinct controlling the vote counting?

    It's amazing you can get away with those shenanigans in a developed country, there has been full blown dictatorships in Europe, but no European country who would pass as Democracy would allow such behaviour.

    Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan, @bomag, @anon, @Stan Adams, @Anonymous

    In the districts where counting was ‘halted’ for the night, the observers went home. When they returned the following morning, the counting was complete, and a Trump lead had turned into a Biden lead.

  102. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    You are fooling yourself if you think this could be accomplished peacefully. What if I told you that your home had been assigned to Wakandaland, but the good news is that a home that is "just as good" is waiting for you in Bumfark, Mississippi? Are you going to start packing voluntarily?


    I think you are expecting for OTHER folks to have to move but you are staying right where you are. Surely where you live is going to be part of Good and Trueland and you won't have to go anywhere. Guess what, the folks in Wakandaland are thinking the same thing - they would like your fair city to be a part of Wakandaland. Maybe a bunch of them will pay your family a visit late at night and "suggest" that you should leave. Or maybe they'll just shoot you on the spot because they heard you were a racist. As a bonus, this will encourage some of your neighbors to leave too.

    At the beginning of a civil war, both sides think that THEIR side will quickly prevail. A few little skirmishes and it will all be over. The other guys are a bunch of wusses. 3 or 4 years and millions of dead later, they're not so sure.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @BenKenobi

    I think you are expecting for OTHER folks to have to move but you are staying right where you are. Surely where you live is going to be part of Good and Trueland and you won’t have to go anywhere. Guess what, the folks in Wakandaland are thinking the same thing – they would like your fair city to be a part of Wakandaland. Maybe a bunch of them will pay your family a visit late at night and “suggest” that you should leave. Or maybe they’ll just shoot you on the spot because they heard you were a racist. As a bonus, this will encourage some of your neighbors to leave too.

    I’d say a shooting war is only a possibility if both sides want a single unitary country to remain, but with their side on top – forever. Otherwise, I expect an amicable settlement to be possible. Neither side wants to lose large numbers of their young men. I’d expect partition to follow the lines of what went on in Czechoslovakia. We don’t really have any deep historical enmities dividing us. The War of Northern Aggression is a distant memory, and our dividing lines have little to do with that conflict.

  103. Anon[437] • Disclaimer says:

    Adept vote concoction is a traditional folk art practiced mostly in big cities with a Catholic political heritage from roughly Boston in the east to maybe Kansas City in the west. You’ll notice that in Arizona, the late vote count has mostly been favoring Trump.

    Tammany Hall was originally a corrupt political machine developed by old NYC WASPs and was anti-immigrant (mostly Irish and German at the time). In the mid-19th century when the large waves of Irish and other immigrants started coming in, it realized it could use immigrants as a dependable vote bank. Boss Tweed was Quaker.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Anon

    Correct Tammany Hall was well known to be corrupt as early as 1810, long before there was any significant catholic population in NYC

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Anon


    Boss Tweed was Quaker.
     
    In name only. A QuINO.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Anon

    What you describe dovetails with the Democrats' sudden embrace of blacks, for the same reasons.

    The only thing about the party that changed was the side it was on.

  104. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    We tried that once and it didn't work out well. And that time it was easier to see where the borders should be.

    Where are the borders between the Vision A/ Vision B country supposed to be?

    Sure, the West Coast and the East Coast from VA to the Canadian border got to the Vision B land (let's call it Wakanda) but what about the rest? (Kind of a shame that Wakanda gets the financial center, Silicon Valley, the aircraft factories in WA and the former Federal capital, but whaddaya gonna do...)

    Lots of blacks in the South but most blacks subscribe to Vision B (mainly the gib me dats part of the vision but still, if Vision A is "Republican" and Vision B is "Democrat" (and it is) then blacks belong to Vision B).

    There are a lot (in fact most) states where the big cities and their suburbs (which contain maybe 1/2 the population despite occupying 5% of the territory) subscribe mainly to Vision B but the rest of the state believes in Vision A. How does that work? Do all the Vision B people have to leave Chicago, Detroit, Milwaukee, etc. when their states end up in Vision A land and where do they go?

    Most university towns (and faculty) subscribe to Vision B. Admittedly a lot of stuff in universities nowadays is worthless but there is still some science going on. How does Vision A land (Columbia?) get on if 90% of the intelligentsia flees to Wakanda?

    I just don't see it. The cure would be worse than the disease. Disappearing everyone who disagrees with you is a pleasant fantasy but the reality is much more grim.

    Replies: @128, @anon, @AnotherDad, @Anonymousse, @MBlanc46

    Where are the borders between the Vision A/ Vision B country supposed to be?

    How about you and all your relatives stand on one side of a line and we stand on the other. Anyone that likes the kind of society that you and your relatives create go stand on that side. No more crossing from your side to our side ever again, but we’d encourage free movement in the other direction for anyone so inclined.

  105. @ic1000
    @Peter Akuleyev

    > The same people who told us the world’s most sophisticated intelligence service [the FSB] couldn’t possibly materially influence a $1.6 billion American election by spending $95,000 on social-media ads, are now telling us that a bunch of women and inner city blacks big-city political machines with experience in vote fraud, with the support of the see-no-evil media, are able to run rings around the cream of the GOP? Really?

    Really.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev

    Where does your $95K number come from?

    • Replies: @ic1000
    @Peter Akuleyev

    > Where does your $95K number come from?

    The embedded link goes to a 2018 Washington Post story.

    That was the first mainstream story that Google pulled up. I recall seeing numbers of $1 or $2 million, it depends on how you account for the cybernauts' salaries, PPP, and so on. $1.6 million would be 0.1% of election spending (well, a bit less, since under the table Chinese, Israeli, etc. contributions aren't counted). You think Russian FSB employees are that much of a force multiplier, compared to domestic ad agencies and volunteers? Come on.

  106. @AnotherDad
    @Dumbo


    Maybe Repuglycans should start cheating in elections too? Or plan a coup.
    I mean why not, at this point. It’s a banana republic already anyway.
     
    Maybe we should start by just proposing the obvious: Separation.

    A nation presupposes a people.

    We are not one people.

    Our political arguments are not fundamentally over "taxes" or "spending" or "health care" or even "war and peace". They are arguments over identity and legitimacy.

    Is America the nation of Washington, Jefferson, Franklin? Are we the nation of settlers and pioneers? Is America a great achievement? Are we a republic with majority rule, federalism and constrained, limited government? Are we a child of Anglo-Saxon peoples and culture? Are we rooted in Western civilization?

    Or are we "a nation of immigrants"? Those founders just a bunch of slave owning or "slavery adjacent" racists? Our real founding in 1619? "The 'dreamers' are our future!" "Civil rights" our constitution? The Supreme Court the final authority? "Diversity our greatest strength?"

    I say yes to vision A. (And furthermore that vision B is not just false, but logically incoherent).

    They say yes to vision B.

    ~~

    Separate peoples. So ... separate nations.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Keypusher, @Bernard, @Anonymous

    Maybe we should start by just proposing the obvious: Separation.

    A nation presupposes a people.

    We are not one people.

    Dad, I say this with the upmost respect as I enjoy reading your posts quite a lot. Perhaps the idea of separate nations should be decided among your children’s generation. What you so passionately advocate is a an idea that be comfortably proposed by from someone who has already put in the better part of his life’s work. If today, your circumstances were the same as 20 years ago, still raising a family and all that it entails, I doubt you would see this solution as effortlessly as you do now.

  107. @AnotherDad
    @Peter Akuleyev


    The same people who told us the world’s most sophisticated intelligence service couldn’t possibly influence an American election, are now telling us that a bunch of women and inner city blacks are able to run rings around the cream of the GOP? Really?

    If you’ve ever met the kind of people who run Chicago or Boston today you know you aren’t dealing with any Mayor Dalies anymore.
     
    Genius.

    If the question is who is a better bet to influence an election in say Iraq, the FSB or the Chicago Democratic machine, you have a point.

    But if the question is who is better at manipulating the vote in Chicago ... uh ... i'll go with the Chicago Democratic machine. Cause they are, you know, there and well practiced.

    Who's better at microwaving a hotdog in my fridge, me or the FSB? The FSB has way way way more money and manpower ... but guess what it was me again! Cause i'm right here ... and I just wanted it more.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev

    Chicago is of course irrelevant since no one is arguing Trump actually won Illinois (or NY or Boston). The case for Trump is arguing massive fraud in Atlanta, Phoenix and Minneapolis. Come on.

    • Replies: @DPG
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Try Philly, Detroit and Milwaukee. You don’t make your points in good faith.

  108. @ic1000
    Last night, I watched the NBC Evening News. Anchor Lester Holt and his reporters brought up voting irregularities only in the context of Trump falsely claiming there has been fraud -- there's just no credible evidence. During the reports, the crawl at the bottom of the screen was (approx.) TRUMP FALSELY CLAIMS VOTER FRAUD.

    One segment had a reporter interviewing a professor-expert, emphasizing the point. He pointed out that (1) there is no evidence of fraud, (2) there was no fraud, and (3) by now, any wrongly-cast ballots have now been merged with all the others, so there's no longer any evidence to find, leaving a hypothetical court unable to make a meaningful ruling. If people wanted to complain, why didn't they say something before the election?

    I pointed out the Pravda-esque logic of #3 to Mrs. ic1000, and it did give her pause. But most people here in Rust Belt City believe that Lester Holt’s basic motivation is to impartially report what’s true and important. And when he does make a mistake, it’s an honest one, sure to be corrected. A viewer would have to be pretty arrogant to think they have more subject area knowledge that the staff of NBC News!

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev

    Point 1 is the important point. Trump has presented no evidence. Even worse he has been yelling about fraud since 2016 (when he thought he might need an excuse if he lost to Rodham) and in four years has never presented any evidence. Naturally no one takes him seriously any more. Trump has used “fraud! Fraud!” so many times, he is like the boy who cried wolf. It would be ironic if he were right this time, but again absolutely no evidence.

    • Replies: @ic1000
    @Peter Akuleyev

    > Trump has presented no evidence.

    I don't care what Trump has presented, but rather, what actually is happening. Upthread, I suggested one 'forensic' approach to detecting large-scale fraud; I'm sure smarter people have come up with better ideas. Is, say, NPR actually doing investigative reporting, looking for pro and con? Of course not. "We haven't found any evidence of the thing we haven't looked for." Well, yeah.

    Are you claiming that the 2020 Presidential election has been typically clean or atypically clean?

    BTW, via the Daily Caller, here is a list of fraud claims paired with links to their rebuttal. There's bound to be a lot of noise mixed in with any signal.

    , @anon
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Consider the curious incident of Wisconsin in the night time.

    https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/us-elections-2020-fraud-wisconsin.jpg

    Replies: @Prof. Woland

    , @Authenticjazzman
    @Peter Akuleyev

    " Naturally no one takes him seriously anymore"

    Bullshit: I take him seriously as does my entire family, so just go fuck yourself as fact is we are now enemies, basta.

    "No evidence" Nonsense: For any rational thinking person the other side showing up with 120000 votes all of a sudden with 100% for their candidate is evidence enough of fraud, of course not for crazy assholes such as yourself.

    AJM

  109. @Peter Akuleyev
    @ic1000

    Where does your $95K number come from?

    Replies: @ic1000

    > Where does your $95K number come from?

    The embedded link goes to a 2018 Washington Post story.

    That was the first mainstream story that Google pulled up. I recall seeing numbers of $1 or $2 million, it depends on how you account for the cybernauts’ salaries, PPP, and so on. $1.6 million would be 0.1% of election spending (well, a bit less, since under the table Chinese, Israeli, etc. contributions aren’t counted). You think Russian FSB employees are that much of a force multiplier, compared to domestic ad agencies and volunteers? Come on.

  110. A lot of comedians and would be comedian political commentators had little pieces about how the United States should get UN observers for its elections.
    Now that Donald Trump is effectively saying the same thing I suspect that their zingers will be quietly memory holed. Move along … Nothing to see here.

  111. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    You are fooling yourself if you think this could be accomplished peacefully. What if I told you that your home had been assigned to Wakandaland, but the good news is that a home that is "just as good" is waiting for you in Bumfark, Mississippi? Are you going to start packing voluntarily?


    I think you are expecting for OTHER folks to have to move but you are staying right where you are. Surely where you live is going to be part of Good and Trueland and you won't have to go anywhere. Guess what, the folks in Wakandaland are thinking the same thing - they would like your fair city to be a part of Wakandaland. Maybe a bunch of them will pay your family a visit late at night and "suggest" that you should leave. Or maybe they'll just shoot you on the spot because they heard you were a racist. As a bonus, this will encourage some of your neighbors to leave too.

    At the beginning of a civil war, both sides think that THEIR side will quickly prevail. A few little skirmishes and it will all be over. The other guys are a bunch of wusses. 3 or 4 years and millions of dead later, they're not so sure.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @BenKenobi

    Alright, let’s do it.

  112. Anon[247] • Disclaimer says:

    After what happened in Florida in 2000, there should have been an attempt to professionalize and standardize the election processes everywhere.

    That said, given the relentless scrutiny of the process, it’s unlikely that any sort of large-scale rigging is taking place. The fact that each each state conducts its counts differently makes it less likely that someone found a loophole and is stuffing ballots.

    Before the election, we knew that R voters were less likely to take Covid seriously and to vote in person, D voters did and voted by mail. The fact that the count followed the expected pattern makes it less likely that this is a result of widespread fraud.

    And if they were to commit fraud, why leave Biden with a deadlocked Congress? And the results broadly reflect the polls, albeit in a way that favor Trump. If it were the other way around ,fraud would be more plausible.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Anon


    That said, given the relentless scrutiny of the process, it’s unlikely that any sort of large-scale rigging is taking place.
     
    There is no relentless scrutiny when poll-watchers are prevented from coming within 30 feet of ballot counters, get prevented from coming in, or get ejected from ballot counting centers.

    Replies: @Anon

    , @Justvisiting
    @Anon


    The fact that each each state conducts its counts differently makes it less likely that someone found a loophole
     
    The national "loophole" was mail in ballots.

    I should start paying my debts in Confederate currency. It is money, right? The companies can record it as cash on their balance sheets, and nobody would be the wiser!
  113. @Ali Choudhury
    @Steve Sailer

    Because there are a lot more to be counted compared to a thinly populated rural county?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Hibernian

    Ever heard of economies of scale? There’s no (good) excuse for the delays were seeing. They have machines to help count the ballots.

  114. @Peter Akuleyev
    @ic1000

    Point 1 is the important point. Trump has presented no evidence. Even worse he has been yelling about fraud since 2016 (when he thought he might need an excuse if he lost to Rodham) and in four years has never presented any evidence. Naturally no one takes him seriously any more. Trump has used “fraud! Fraud!” so many times, he is like the boy who cried wolf. It would be ironic if he were right this time, but again absolutely no evidence.

    Replies: @ic1000, @anon, @Authenticjazzman

    > Trump has presented no evidence.

    I don’t care what Trump has presented, but rather, what actually is happening. Upthread, I suggested one ‘forensic’ approach to detecting large-scale fraud; I’m sure smarter people have come up with better ideas. Is, say, NPR actually doing investigative reporting, looking for pro and con? Of course not. “We haven’t found any evidence of the thing we haven’t looked for.” Well, yeah.

    Are you claiming that the 2020 Presidential election has been typically clean or atypically clean?

    BTW, via the Daily Caller, here is a list of fraud claims paired with links to their rebuttal. There’s bound to be a lot of noise mixed in with any signal.

  115. @ThisIsAnon153Replying
    Look, let's see the demographics here.

    The USA is (legally) what, 63% white? And white population is concentrated among Boomers and Silents. Who knows what the illegal population is. But let's say that ~55% of working age people are white.

    It's not far off from brazil demographics. A country that is 45% third world will be, well, third world. I know more non whites voted Republican. A "right wing"/nationalist 3rd world country is still 3rd world (Brazil, Philipines). No shit the Dems cheated. Republicans don't understand that it's a new game.

    The USA has been on borrowed time for a *long* time. It's just now starting to catch up to reality. And this is only the beginning.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @bomag, @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous Jew

    In terms of maintaining civilization most of our Asians can be counted as White. Regarding random crime and home invasions, the number of Blacks is a better guide.

    But yes, our demographics will continue to catch up with us. Look at LA (basically Mexico with slightly more rich White people) and Detroit and Baltimore (no exceptions the world over to Black-majority states).

    But Brazil has its South and we have…the Northwest?

  116. “In answer to your question about why the cities were taking so long to come in?”

    Because it depends upon how each state processes their votes, especially in this particular case, their mail in ballots, Mr. Sailer. Please do some NOTICING.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/battleground-states-process-mail-ballots-delayed-results/story?id=73717671

    “They don’t do it every election, just in close ones where a smidgen of additional votes are needed”.

    So now is the time to put your pattern recognition to the test by providing specific case examples with analytical data that exactly shows how widespread, perpetual fraud is being committed in those areas you cited.

    • Replies: @res
    @Corvinus


    shows how widespread, perpetual fraud is being committed in those areas you cited.
     
    No true voting fraud.

    You really like variations on the No True Scotsman fallacy. Or should I just call it a strawman (which it also is)?

  117. @peterike
    @eD


    the two party duopoly is still with us, though it may be replaced by a corrupt one party state, which my in some ways be an improvement as it would be more honest.

     

    Yeah, just like China.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    We’d be lucky to get a govt like the CCP.

    CCP puts Han people first.

  118. @Peter Akuleyev
    @ic1000

    Point 1 is the important point. Trump has presented no evidence. Even worse he has been yelling about fraud since 2016 (when he thought he might need an excuse if he lost to Rodham) and in four years has never presented any evidence. Naturally no one takes him seriously any more. Trump has used “fraud! Fraud!” so many times, he is like the boy who cried wolf. It would be ironic if he were right this time, but again absolutely no evidence.

    Replies: @ic1000, @anon, @Authenticjazzman

    Consider the curious incident of Wisconsin in the night time.

    • Replies: @Prof. Woland
    @anon

    I want that T shirt

  119. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    Biden underperformed Hillary Clinton in every major urban area except Milwaukee, Philadelphia, Atlanta, and Detroit.

    NOTHING TO SEE HERE, FOLKS.

    Replies: @epebble, @res

    Looks like he is doing OK in Phoenix, AZ and Las Vegas, NV too. He seems to have done well enough in Texas to scare some folks. That oil talk sank him. Fix that and skip Socialism bad word and Florida may be good to go in 2024. Without Trump around, Republicans may become a Rump party.

  120. Anonymous[297] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad
    @Dumbo


    Maybe Repuglycans should start cheating in elections too? Or plan a coup.
    I mean why not, at this point. It’s a banana republic already anyway.
     
    Maybe we should start by just proposing the obvious: Separation.

    A nation presupposes a people.

    We are not one people.

    Our political arguments are not fundamentally over "taxes" or "spending" or "health care" or even "war and peace". They are arguments over identity and legitimacy.

    Is America the nation of Washington, Jefferson, Franklin? Are we the nation of settlers and pioneers? Is America a great achievement? Are we a republic with majority rule, federalism and constrained, limited government? Are we a child of Anglo-Saxon peoples and culture? Are we rooted in Western civilization?

    Or are we "a nation of immigrants"? Those founders just a bunch of slave owning or "slavery adjacent" racists? Our real founding in 1619? "The 'dreamers' are our future!" "Civil rights" our constitution? The Supreme Court the final authority? "Diversity our greatest strength?"

    I say yes to vision A. (And furthermore that vision B is not just false, but logically incoherent).

    They say yes to vision B.

    ~~

    Separate peoples. So ... separate nations.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Keypusher, @Bernard, @Anonymous

    I love separatism. Is there anything it can’t do?

    1. Whites move to a smaller subsection of their former pozzed territory, likely taking a few California liberals with them.
    2. Some time passes, people forget, and Jews move/bribe their way in.
    3. Jews control modes of communication and education – media, academia, schools, law, government.
    4. Jews introduce a Hart Cellar type act, flooding this nice smaller country with brown and black people.
    5. Go to 1.

    I guess if you follow Zeno’s dichotomy paradox, we never reach the sort of conclusion one would expect where we reach a Moriori-like fate.

  121. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    @Hugo Silva


    Don’t you have observers from both parties in each precinct controlling the vote counting?
     
    Not necessarily. In Michigan, Gretchen Whitmer forcibly removed GOP observers from offices in Detrot, citing COVID concerns. Meanwhile, the Democrat-controlled and immensely corrupt PA State Supreme Court ruled that the Trump campaign has no inherent right to observe counts in Philadelphia.

    The bigger problem is that our media is completely controlled by the enemies of the American people.

    Replies: @Redman, @ben tillman

    Whitmer really is the wicked witch of the (mid)west, whom she very much resembles.

  122. @Keypusher
    @AnotherDad

    Separation presupposes the capacity to separate.
    Which doesn’t exist, unless you can organize a Seccession Party and seize several state legislatures and persuade the other states and the Federal government to let you go. And the first step is a no-hoper, to say nothing of the subsequent ones.

    People spent a lot of time in these threads proposing absolute chimeras. This was a good election in a lot of ways! Why not try to build on it?

    Replies: @Justvisiting

    This was a good election in a lot of ways! Why not try to build on it?

    You can’t build on sand. Or mud.

    This is _not_ going to end well.

  123. @Barnard
    @Steve Sailer

    Just spitballing here, but it might have something to do with the general competence of the people working in these districts. When you look at the way a city like Detroit is run by the people who live there, what makes you think there is any chance they would be able to quickly and accurately process election results?

    Replies: @Redman

    Then doesn’t that call into question the whole concept of a national election for POTUS?

    Didn’t the framers get this right by saying this wouldn’t be a popular vote at all. Probably never should have changed.

  124. @Steve Sailer
    @Ali Choudhury

    Does it take longer to get other things done in densely populated cities than in rural areas?

    Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan, @Thoughts, @Ali Choudhury, @Anonymous

    The cities have more administrative subdivisions and sub-subdivisions whose results take time to receive and collate, so there’s more overhead?

    Rural areas need a certain number of workers to man the polls as a baseline, and so may find themselves with much less work than they can handle, whereas urban workers are more likely to be at capacity?

  125. Some more interesting results using Benford’s Law.

    I looked at Detroit, Michigan. 

    Votes by precinct can be found here:

    https://election-county-reports-prod112020.s3.amazonaws.com/4539283c-3f09-4fdf-ad93-0  

    Results were given for 637 precincts or AVCBs (Absentee Voter Count Boards) within the city of Detroit.  Some of the totals were tiny, which were skewing the results, so I multiplied the Biden votes and the Trump votes in each precinct by the total Detroit votes (248,728) to come up with nice large numbers that could be tested with Benford’s Law.

    I looked at the number of cases where 1 was the first digit in the total per precinct (multiplied by 248,728) and divided by the total precincts (excluding ones with 0 votes).

    Expected percentages according to Benford’s Law would be 30.1%.

    Trump votes are right in line with Benford’s Law:
    193 out of 615 = 31.4%

    Biden votes are once more suspect:
    65 out of 629 = 10.3%

    The percentages for Milwaukee were: Trump 30.2% and Biden 14.5%.

    To summarize, when we use Benford’s Law, both Milwaukee and Detroit show suspicious results in the reported votes for Biden, but not for Trump  

    I am including my actual data for Detroit below the More tag.  The data is comma delimited.

    [MORE]

    No,Precinct,”Joseph R.
    Biden/Kamala D.
    Harris”,”Donald J.
    Trump/Michael R.
    Pence”,”Jo
    Jorgensen/Jeremy
    Cohen”,”Don
    Blankenship/William
    Mohr”,”Howie
    Hawkins/Angela
    Walker”,”Rocky De La
    Fuente/Darcy
    Richardson”,Total write-in,”Biden x 248,728″,”Biden x 248,728″,Biden 1st digit,Trump 1st Digit
    205,City of Detroit AVCB 1,”1,458″,32,3,0,2,0,0,” 362,645,424 “,” 7,959,296 “,3,7
    206,City of Detroit AVCB 2,”1,852″,131,5,2,5,1,0,” 460,644,256 “,” 32,583,368 “,4,3
    207,City of Detroit AVCB 3,”1,806″,71,2,3,2,0,0,” 449,202,768 “,” 17,659,688 “,4,1
    208,City of Detroit AVCB 4,”1,776″,72,3,1,3,0,0,” 441,740,928 “,” 17,908,416 “,4,1
    209,City of Detroit AVCB 5,”1,762″,54,4,2,4,0,0,” 438,258,736 “,” 13,431,312 “,4,1
    210,City of Detroit AVCB 6,”2,393″,124,10,0,7,0,0,” 595,206,104 “,” 30,842,272 “,5,3

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    211,City of Detroit AVCB 7,”1,800″,71,9,1,4,0,0,” 447,710,400 “,” 17,659,688 “,4,1
    212,City of Detroit AVCB 8,”1,652″,38,1,1,1,1,0,” 410,898,656 “,” 9,451,664 “,4,9
    213,City of Detroit AVCB 9,925,22,3,1,4,0,0,” 230,073,400 “,” 5,472,016 “,2,5
    214,City of Detroit AVCB 10,904,14,0,1,2,0,0,” 224,850,112 “,” 3,482,192 “,2,3
    215,City of Detroit AVCB 11,”2,022″,90,6,0,4,2,0,” 502,928,016 “,” 22,385,520 “,5,2
    216,City of Detroit AVCB 12,”1,472″,53,1,0,7,0,0,” 366,127,616 “,” 13,182,584 “,3,1
    217,City of Detroit AVCB 13,”1,563″,49,2,0,2,0,0,” 388,761,864 “,” 12,187,672 “,3,1
    218,City of Detroit AVCB 14,”1,709″,38,2,1,6,1,0,” 425,076,152 “,” 9,451,664 “,4,9
    219,City of Detroit AVCB 15,”1,707″,39,1,3,2,1,0,” 424,578,696 “,” 9,700,392 “,4,9
    220,City of Detroit AVCB 16,”2,023″,55,5,2,4,2,0,” 503,176,744 “,” 13,680,040 “,5,1
    221,City of Detroit AVCB 17,”2,545″,103,8,5,5,2,0,” 633,012,760 “,” 25,618,984 “,6,2
    222,City of Detroit AVCB 18,”2,027″,50,3,4,3,0,0,” 504,171,656 “,” 12,436,400 “,5,1
    223,City of Detroit AVCB 19,”2,178″,94,5,1,4,0,0,” 541,729,584 “,” 23,380,432 “,5,2
    224,City of Detroit AVCB 20,”2,171″,45,2,3,9,0,0,” 539,988,488 “,” 11,192,760 “,5,1
    225,City of Detroit AVCB 21,”2,021″,47,3,3,2,0,0,” 502,679,288 “,” 11,690,216 “,5,1
    226,City of Detroit AVCB 22,”2,337″,57,5,2,7,0,0,” 581,277,336 “,” 14,177,496 “,5,1
    227,City of Detroit AVCB 23,”2,612″,163,4,3,6,1,0,” 649,677,536 “,” 40,542,664 “,6,4
    228,City of Detroit AVCB 24,”2,736″,96,12,1,9,1,0,” 680,519,808 “,” 23,877,888 “,6,2
    229,City of Detroit AVCB 25,”3,023″,178,7,3,8,3,0,” 751,904,744 “,” 44,273,584 “,7,4
    230,City of Detroit AVCB 26,”3,166″,167,9,5,8,1,0,” 787,472,848 “,” 41,537,576 “,7,4
    231,City of Detroit AVCB 27,”2,244″,55,2,0,4,0,0,” 558,145,632 “,” 13,680,040 “,5,1
    232,City of Detroit AVCB 28,”2,222″,47,4,1,2,3,0,” 552,673,616 “,” 11,690,216 “,5,1
    233,City of Detroit AVCB 29,”2,079″,84,4,2,5,0,0,” 517,105,512 “,” 20,893,152 “,5,2
    234,City of Detroit AVCB 30,”2,036″,70,5,2,7,1,0,” 506,410,208 “,” 17,410,960 “,5,1
    235,City of Detroit AVCB 31,”2,232″,61,7,0,0,1,0,” 555,160,896 “,” 15,172,408 “,5,1
    236,City of Detroit AVCB 32,”2,121″,68,7,0,5,0,0,” 527,552,088 “,” 16,913,504 “,5,1
    237,City of Detroit AVCB 33,0,0,0,0,0,0,0, –   , –   ,0,0
    238,City of Detroit AVCB 34,”1,710″,44,3,2,5,0,0,” 425,324,880 “,” 10,944,032 “,4,1
    239,City of Detroit AVCB 35,”1,686″,80,4,0,3,0,0,” 419,355,408 “,” 19,898,240 “,4,1
    240,City of Detroit AVCB 36,”2,762″,90,13,4,10,3,0,” 686,986,736 “,” 22,385,520 “,6,2
    241,City of Detroit AVCB 37,”2,107″,52,3,2,2,3,0,” 524,069,896 “,” 12,933,856 “,5,1
    242,City of Detroit AVCB 38,”2,613″,85,5,5,6,3,0,” 649,926,264 “,” 21,141,880 “,6,2
    243,City of Detroit AVCB 39,”2,180″,100,8,3,6,2,0,” 542,227,040 “,” 24,872,800 “,5,2
    244,City of Detroit AVCB 40,”2,081″,68,10,2,6,1,0,” 517,602,968 “,” 16,913,504 “,5,1
    245,City of Detroit AVCB 41,”1,722″,38,6,1,2,0,0,” 428,309,616 “,” 9,451,664 “,4,9
    246,City of Detroit AVCB 42,”1,135″,38,0,0,0,0,0,” 282,306,280 “,” 9,451,664 “,2,9
    247,City of Detroit AVCB 43,”1,614″,25,2,0,2,0,0,” 401,446,992 “,” 6,218,200 “,4,6
    248,City of Detroit AVCB 44,”1,510″,29,2,1,4,1,0,” 375,579,280 “,” 7,213,112 “,3,7
    249,City of Detroit AVCB 45,”1,354″,32,0,0,4,1,0,” 336,777,712 “,” 7,959,296 “,3,7
    250,City of Detroit AVCB 46,”1,426″,34,3,1,3,0,0,” 354,686,128 “,” 8,456,752 “,3,8
    251,City of Detroit AVCB 47,”1,145″,29,5,0,2,0,0,” 284,793,560 “,” 7,213,112 “,2,7
    252,City of Detroit AVCB 48,”1,043″,21,1,2,5,0,0,” 259,423,304 “,” 5,223,288 “,2,5
    253,City of Detroit AVCB 49,958,27,2,2,2,2,0,” 238,281,424 “,” 6,715,656 “,2,6
    254,City of Detroit AVCB 50,”1,665″,34,3,3,4,0,0,” 414,132,120 “,” 8,456,752 “,4,8
    255,City of Detroit AVCB 51,”1,857″,39,1,2,3,4,0,” 461,887,896 “,” 9,700,392 “,4,9
    256,City of Detroit AVCB 52,”1,958″,89,6,3,9,1,0,” 487,009,424 “,” 22,136,792 “,4,2
    257,City of Detroit AVCB 53,”1,109″,35,2,0,2,1,0,” 275,839,352 “,” 8,705,480 “,2,8
    258,City of Detroit AVCB 54,960,31,3,0,1,0,0,” 238,778,880 “,” 7,710,568 “,2,7
    259,City of Detroit AVCB 55,”2,275″,163,3,2,6,1,0,” 565,856,200 “,” 40,542,664 “,5,4
    260,City of Detroit AVCB 56,”1,416″,34,1,2,2,1,0,” 352,198,848 “,” 8,456,752 “,3,8
    261,City of Detroit AVCB 57,0,0,0,0,0,0,0, –   , –   ,0,0
    262,City of Detroit AVCB 58,0,0,0,0,0,0,0, –   , –   ,0,0
    263,City of Detroit AVCB 59,988,34,1,1,6,1,0,” 245,743,264 “,” 8,456,752 “,2,8
    264,City of Detroit AVCB 60,”1,290″,37,2,1,5,0,0,” 320,859,120 “,” 9,202,936 “,3,9
    265,City of Detroit AVCB 61,555,12,2,0,2,1,0,” 138,044,040 “,” 2,984,736 “,1,2
    266,City of Detroit AVCB 62,”2,143″,117,4,5,3,1,0,” 533,024,104 “,” 29,101,176 “,5,2
    267,City of Detroit AVCB 63,”1,856″,85,7,2,6,0,0,” 461,639,168 “,” 21,141,880 “,4,2
    268,City of Detroit AVCB 64,”1,747″,50,1,2,3,1,0,” 434,527,816 “,” 12,436,400 “,4,1
    269,City of Detroit AVCB 65,”2,044″,65,3,6,11,1,0,” 508,400,032 “,” 16,167,320 “,5,1
    270,City of Detroit AVCB 66,”1,644″,38,4,0,4,0,0,” 408,908,832 “,” 9,451,664 “,4,9
    271,City of Detroit AVCB 67,”1,598″,30,2,3,1,1,0,” 397,467,344 “,” 7,461,840 “,3,7
    272,City of Detroit AVCB 68,”1,233″,26,1,0,2,0,0,” 306,681,624 “,” 6,466,928 “,3,6
    273,City of Detroit AVCB 69,”1,061″,29,3,2,2,1,0,” 263,900,408 “,” 7,213,112 “,2,7
    274,City of Detroit AVCB 70,884,20,3,3,2,3,0,” 219,875,552 “,” 4,974,560 “,2,4
    275,City of Detroit AVCB 71,445,15,1,0,2,0,0,” 110,683,960 “,” 3,730,920 “,1,3
    276,City of Detroit AVCB 72,”1,490″,33,6,0,3,2,0,” 370,604,720 “,” 8,208,024 “,3,8
    277,City of Detroit AVCB 73,”1,641″,44,1,3,3,1,0,” 408,162,648 “,” 10,944,032 “,4,1
    278,City of Detroit AVCB 74,”1,264″,62,4,1,6,0,0,” 314,392,192 “,” 15,421,136 “,3,1
    279,City of Detroit AVCB 75,”1,995″,69,7,0,7,0,0,” 496,212,360 “,” 17,162,232 “,4,1
    280,City of Detroit AVCB 76,570,7,2,0,2,0,0,” 141,774,960 “,” 1,741,096 “,1,1
    281,City of Detroit AVCB 77,”1,809″,48,9,4,6,0,0,” 449,948,952 “,” 11,938,944 “,4,1
    282,City of Detroit AVCB 78,”1,678″,42,6,2,5,2,0,” 417,365,584 “,” 10,446,576 “,4,1
    283,City of Detroit AVCB 79,”1,202″,28,3,0,3,0,0,” 298,971,056 “,” 6,964,384 “,2,6
    284,City of Detroit AVCB 80,701,17,2,1,2,3,0,” 174,358,328 “,” 4,228,376 “,1,4
    285,City of Detroit AVCB 81,977,26,1,2,2,2,0,” 243,007,256 “,” 6,466,928 “,2,6
    286,City of Detroit AVCB 82,801,89,2,0,1,0,0,” 199,231,128 “,” 22,136,792 “,1,2
    287,City of Detroit AVCB 83,”1,035″,99,4,0,4,0,0,” 257,433,480 “,” 24,624,072 “,2,2
    288,City of Detroit AVCB 84,966,112,4,2,4,2,0,” 240,271,248 “,” 27,857,536 “,2,2
    289,City of Detroit AVCB 85,658,40,2,0,0,0,0,” 163,663,024 “,” 9,949,120 “,1,9
    290,City of Detroit AVCB 86,”1,613″,117,12,1,4,2,0,” 401,198,264 “,” 29,101,176 “,4,2
    291,City of Detroit AVCB 87,”1,338″,143,6,3,4,4,0,” 332,798,064 “,” 35,568,104 “,3,3
    292,City of Detroit AVCB 88,”1,930″,271,9,3,10,2,0,” 480,045,040 “,” 67,405,288 “,4,6
    293,City of Detroit AVCB 89,”2,092″,105,7,5,8,0,0,” 520,338,976 “,” 26,116,440 “,5,2
    294,City of Detroit AVCB 90,432,14,1,0,0,0,0,” 107,450,496 “,” 3,482,192 “,1,3
    295,City of Detroit AVCB 91,508,12,2,0,1,0,0,” 126,353,824 “,” 2,984,736 “,1,2
    296,City of Detroit AVCB 92,879,20,2,1,2,0,0,” 218,631,912 “,” 4,974,560 “,2,4
    297,City of Detroit AVCB 93,947,27,3,0,2,0,0,” 235,545,416 “,” 6,715,656 “,2,6
    298,City of Detroit AVCB 94,”1,385″,32,3,1,6,1,0,” 344,488,280 “,” 7,959,296 “,3,7
    299,City of Detroit AVCB 95,”1,690″,29,4,2,4,3,0,” 420,350,320 “,” 7,213,112 “,4,7
    300,City of Detroit AVCB 96,949,19,1,1,1,1,0,” 236,042,872 “,” 4,725,832 “,2,4
    301,City of Detroit AVCB 97,327,7,2,1,0,0,0,” 81,334,056 “,” 1,741,096 “,8,1
    302,City of Detroit AVCB 98,353,8,0,1,1,0,0,” 87,800,984 “,” 1,989,824 “,8,1
    303,City of Detroit AVCB 99,364,7,0,0,1,0,0,” 90,536,992 “,” 1,741,096 “,9,1
    304,City of Detroit AVCB 100,137,12,0,0,0,0,0,” 34,075,736 “,” 2,984,736 “,3,2
    305,City of Detroit AVCB 101,198,2,1,0,0,0,0,” 49,248,144 “,” 497,456 “,4,4
    306,City of Detroit AVCB 102,357,9,1,0,2,0,0,” 88,795,896 “,” 2,238,552 “,8,2
    307,City of Detroit AVCB 103,190,3,1,0,0,0,0,” 47,258,320 “,” 746,184 “,4,7
    308,City of Detroit AVCB 104,284,12,0,0,1,0,0,” 70,638,752 “,” 2,984,736 “,7,2
    309,City of Detroit AVCB 105,6,0,0,0,0,0,0,” 1,492,368 “, –   ,1,0
    310,City of Detroit AVCB 106,12,0,0,0,0,0,0,” 2,984,736 “, –   ,2,0
    311,City of Detroit AVCB 107,169,7,0,0,1,1,0,” 42,035,032 “,” 1,741,096 “,4,1
    312,City of Detroit AVCB 108,341,10,0,0,1,0,0,” 84,816,248 “,” 2,487,280 “,8,2
    313,City of Detroit AVCB 109,406,2,0,0,0,0,0,” 100,983,568 “,” 497,456 “,1,4
    314,City of Detroit AVCB 110,200,15,0,0,0,0,0,” 49,745,600 “,” 3,730,920 “,4,3
    315,City of Detroit AVCB 111,48,7,1,0,0,0,0,” 11,938,944 “,” 1,741,096 “,1,1
    316,City of Detroit AVCB 112,338,14,0,1,2,1,0,” 84,070,064 “,” 3,482,192 “,8,3
    317,City of Detroit AVCB 113,3,0,0,0,0,0,0,” 746,184 “, –   ,7,0
    318,City of Detroit AVCB 114,317,32,3,0,0,0,0,” 78,846,776 “,” 7,959,296 “,7,7
    319,City of Detroit AVCB 115,64,6,0,0,0,0,0,” 15,918,592 “,” 1,492,368 “,1,1
    320,City of Detroit AVCB 116,321,12,0,0,6,0,0,” 79,841,688 “,” 2,984,736 “,7,2
    321,City of Detroit AVCB 117,443,5,0,0,1,0,0,” 110,186,504 “,” 1,243,640 “,1,1
    322,City of Detroit AVCB 118,23,0,0,0,0,0,0,” 5,720,744 “, –   ,5,0
    323,City of Detroit AVCB 119,156,5,1,1,1,0,0,” 38,801,568 “,” 1,243,640 “,3,1
    324,City of Detroit AVCB 120,626,25,5,2,4,0,0,” 155,703,728 “,” 6,218,200 “,1,6
    325,City of Detroit AVCB 121,241,7,1,0,2,0,0,” 59,943,448 “,” 1,741,096 “,5,1
    326,City of Detroit AVCB 122,469,30,2,0,0,1,0,” 116,653,432 “,” 7,461,840 “,1,7
    327,City of Detroit AVCB 123,233,11,0,0,1,0,0,” 57,953,624 “,” 2,736,008 “,5,2
    328,City of Detroit AVCB 124,283,7,0,0,1,0,0,” 70,390,024 “,” 1,741,096 “,7,1
    329,City of Detroit AVCB 125,7,0,0,0,0,0,0,” 1,741,096 “, –   ,1,0
    330,City of Detroit AVCB 126,66,0,0,0,0,0,0,” 16,416,048 “, –   ,1,0
    331,City of Detroit AVCB 127,4,0,0,0,0,0,0,” 994,912 “, –   ,9,0
    332,City of Detroit AVCB 128,140,15,1,0,0,0,0,” 34,821,920 “,” 3,730,920 “,3,3
    333,City of Detroit AVCB 129,16,2,0,0,1,0,0,” 3,979,648 “,” 497,456 “,3,4
    334,City of Detroit AVCB 130,263,4,2,0,2,1,0,” 65,415,464 “,” 994,912 “,6,9
    335,City of Detroit AVCB 131,136,3,2,0,3,0,0,” 33,827,008 “,” 746,184 “,3,7
    336,City of Detroit AVCB 132,112,3,0,0,2,0,0,” 27,857,536 “,” 746,184 “,2,7
    337,City of Detroit AVCB 133,308,8,1,1,1,1,0,” 76,608,224 “,” 1,989,824 “,7,1
    338,City of Detroit AVCB 134,344,4,1,1,1,2,0,” 85,562,432 “,” 994,912 “,8,9
    339,City of Detroit Precinct 1,106,5,2,0,0,0,0,” 26,365,168 “,” 1,243,640 “,2,1
    340,City of Detroit Precinct 2,146,10,1,0,1,0,0,” 36,314,288 “,” 2,487,280 “,3,2
    341,City of Detroit Precinct 3,164,12,1,0,2,0,0,” 40,791,392 “,” 2,984,736 “,4,2
    342,City of Detroit Precinct 4,115,4,0,0,1,0,0,” 28,603,720 “,” 994,912 “,2,9
    343,City of Detroit Precinct 5,97,10,0,0,0,0,0,” 24,126,616 “,” 2,487,280 “,2,2
    344,City of Detroit Precinct 6,188,6,0,0,1,0,0,” 46,760,864 “,” 1,492,368 “,4,1
    345,City of Detroit Precinct 7,184,23,3,0,1,2,0,” 45,765,952 “,” 5,720,744 “,4,5
    346,City of Detroit Precinct 8,191,24,3,0,1,1,0,” 47,507,048 “,” 5,969,472 “,4,5
    347,City of Detroit Precinct 9,85,7,1,0,0,1,0,” 21,141,880 “,” 1,741,096 “,2,1
    348,City of Detroit Precinct 10,142,6,1,0,0,0,0,” 35,319,376 “,” 1,492,368 “,3,1
    349,City of Detroit Precinct 11,21,4,0,0,1,0,0,” 5,223,288 “,” 994,912 “,5,9
    350,City of Detroit Precinct 12,155,13,2,0,0,0,0,” 38,552,840 “,” 3,233,464 “,3,3
    351,City of Detroit Precinct 13,106,5,0,0,1,1,0,” 26,365,168 “,” 1,243,640 “,2,1
    352,City of Detroit Precinct 14,145,3,0,1,1,1,0,” 36,065,560 “,” 746,184 “,3,7
    353,City of Detroit Precinct 15,183,12,0,0,0,1,0,” 45,517,224 “,” 2,984,736 “,4,2
    354,City of Detroit Precinct 16,163,10,1,0,0,1,0,” 40,542,664 “,” 2,487,280 “,4,2
    355,City of Detroit Precinct 17,172,9,0,0,1,0,0,” 42,781,216 “,” 2,238,552 “,4,2
    356,City of Detroit Precinct 18,302,21,1,1,1,0,0,” 75,115,856 “,” 5,223,288 “,7,5
    357,City of Detroit Precinct 19,163,23,0,0,0,0,0,” 40,542,664 “,” 5,720,744 “,4,5
    358,City of Detroit Precinct 20,311,33,5,0,0,0,0,” 77,354,408 “,” 8,208,024 “,7,8
    359,City of Detroit Precinct 21,163,38,0,0,1,1,0,” 40,542,664 “,” 9,451,664 “,4,9
    360,City of Detroit Precinct 22,167,47,2,1,0,1,0,” 41,537,576 “,” 11,690,216 “,4,1
    361,City of Detroit Precinct 23,197,21,0,1,0,0,0,” 48,999,416 “,” 5,223,288 “,4,5
    362,City of Detroit Precinct 24,102,5,0,0,0,1,0,” 25,370,256 “,” 1,243,640 “,2,1
    363,City of Detroit Precinct 25,190,10,0,0,1,1,0,” 47,258,320 “,” 2,487,280 “,4,2
    364,City of Detroit Precinct 26,240,6,1,0,0,1,0,” 59,694,720 “,” 1,492,368 “,5,1
    365,City of Detroit Precinct 27,142,8,2,1,1,0,0,” 35,319,376 “,” 1,989,824 “,3,1
    366,City of Detroit Precinct 28,21,4,0,0,0,0,0,” 5,223,288 “,” 994,912 “,5,9
    367,City of Detroit Precinct 29,95,3,0,2,0,0,0,” 23,629,160 “,” 746,184 “,2,7
    368,City of Detroit Precinct 30,112,13,0,1,0,0,0,” 27,857,536 “,” 3,233,464 “,2,3
    369,City of Detroit Precinct 31,236,18,1,0,3,1,0,” 58,699,808 “,” 4,477,104 “,5,4
    370,City of Detroit Precinct 32,128,10,1,3,0,0,0,” 31,837,184 “,” 2,487,280 “,3,2
    371,City of Detroit Precinct 33,205,23,1,1,2,0,0,” 50,989,240 “,” 5,720,744 “,5,5
    372,City of Detroit Precinct 34,238,28,2,0,1,0,0,” 59,197,264 “,” 6,964,384 “,5,6
    373,City of Detroit Precinct 35,110,5,0,1,1,1,0,” 27,360,080 “,” 1,243,640 “,2,1
    374,City of Detroit Precinct 36,52,0,0,0,0,0,0,” 12,933,856 “, –   ,1,0
    375,City of Detroit Precinct 37,226,19,1,1,0,0,0,” 56,212,528 “,” 4,725,832 “,5,4
    376,City of Detroit Precinct 38,185,12,1,0,0,1,0,” 46,014,680 “,” 2,984,736 “,4,2
    377,City of Detroit Precinct 39,233,10,1,0,0,0,0,” 57,953,624 “,” 2,487,280 “,5,2
    378,City of Detroit Precinct 40,177,7,1,1,3,1,0,” 44,024,856 “,” 1,741,096 “,4,1
    379,City of Detroit Precinct 41,142,6,2,0,0,1,0,” 35,319,376 “,” 1,492,368 “,3,1
    380,City of Detroit Precinct 42,113,10,0,0,0,0,0,” 28,106,264 “,” 2,487,280 “,2,2
    381,City of Detroit Precinct 43,264,13,1,0,1,1,0,” 65,664,192 “,” 3,233,464 “,6,3
    382,City of Detroit Precinct 44,186,10,0,1,1,0,0,” 46,263,408 “,” 2,487,280 “,4,2
    383,City of Detroit Precinct 45,181,19,1,2,0,1,0,” 45,019,768 “,” 4,725,832 “,4,4
    384,City of Detroit Precinct 46,69,7,0,1,0,0,0,” 17,162,232 “,” 1,741,096 “,1,1
    385,City of Detroit Precinct 47,194,13,1,0,2,2,0,” 48,253,232 “,” 3,233,464 “,4,3
    386,City of Detroit Precinct 48,39,4,1,0,0,1,0,” 9,700,392 “,” 994,912 “,9,9
    387,City of Detroit Precinct 49,124,6,0,2,0,0,0,” 30,842,272 “,” 1,492,368 “,3,1
    388,City of Detroit Precinct 50,119,6,0,1,0,2,0,” 29,598,632 “,” 1,492,368 “,2,1
    389,City of Detroit Precinct 51,171,8,2,0,1,0,0,” 42,532,488 “,” 1,989,824 “,4,1
    390,City of Detroit Precinct 52,166,8,0,1,1,0,0,” 41,288,848 “,” 1,989,824 “,4,1
    391,City of Detroit Precinct 53,190,13,0,0,0,0,0,” 47,258,320 “,” 3,233,464 “,4,3
    392,City of Detroit Precinct 54,93,6,1,0,0,1,0,” 23,131,704 “,” 1,492,368 “,2,1
    393,City of Detroit Precinct 55,165,8,0,1,0,0,0,” 41,040,120 “,” 1,989,824 “,4,1
    394,City of Detroit Precinct 56,156,7,1,0,1,0,0,” 38,801,568 “,” 1,741,096 “,3,1
    395,City of Detroit Precinct 57,110,1,1,0,1,0,0,” 27,360,080 “,” 248,728 “,2,2
    396,City of Detroit Precinct 58,83,4,0,0,1,0,0,” 20,644,424 “,” 994,912 “,2,9
    397,City of Detroit Precinct 59,140,8,1,0,0,0,0,” 34,821,920 “,” 1,989,824 “,3,1
    398,City of Detroit Precinct 60,183,12,1,0,1,0,0,” 45,517,224 “,” 2,984,736 “,4,2
    399,City of Detroit Precinct 61,114,10,0,0,0,0,0,” 28,354,992 “,” 2,487,280 “,2,2
    400,City of Detroit Precinct 62,63,9,0,0,0,0,0,” 15,669,864 “,” 2,238,552 “,1,2
    401,City of Detroit Precinct 63,276,22,0,2,1,0,0,” 68,648,928 “,” 5,472,016 “,6,5
    402,City of Detroit Precinct 64,126,10,2,1,0,1,0,” 31,339,728 “,” 2,487,280 “,3,2
    403,City of Detroit Precinct 65,180,29,1,0,3,0,0,” 44,771,040 “,” 7,213,112 “,4,7
    404,City of Detroit Precinct 66,188,17,4,1,0,0,0,” 46,760,864 “,” 4,228,376 “,4,4
    405,City of Detroit Precinct 67,121,17,1,0,3,0,0,” 30,096,088 “,” 4,228,376 “,3,4
    406,City of Detroit Precinct 68,245,18,2,1,0,0,0,” 60,938,360 “,” 4,477,104 “,6,4
    407,City of Detroit Precinct 69,178,8,0,0,0,0,0,” 44,273,584 “,” 1,989,824 “,4,1
    408,City of Detroit Precinct 70,146,6,0,0,1,1,0,” 36,314,288 “,” 1,492,368 “,3,1
    409,City of Detroit Precinct 71,193,17,0,0,0,0,0,” 48,004,504 “,” 4,228,376 “,4,4
    410,City of Detroit Precinct 72,177,18,1,1,1,0,0,” 44,024,856 “,” 4,477,104 “,4,4
    411,City of Detroit Precinct 73,157,11,0,0,0,0,0,” 39,050,296 “,” 2,736,008 “,3,2
    412,City of Detroit Precinct 74,160,6,0,0,2,0,0,” 39,796,480 “,” 1,492,368 “,3,1
    413,City of Detroit Precinct 75,163,14,2,1,0,0,0,” 40,542,664 “,” 3,482,192 “,4,3
    414,City of Detroit Precinct 76,56,3,0,1,0,0,0,” 13,928,768 “,” 746,184 “,1,7
    415,City of Detroit Precinct 77,69,6,1,0,0,0,0,” 17,162,232 “,” 1,492,368 “,1,1
    416,City of Detroit Precinct 78,53,8,1,1,0,0,0,” 13,182,584 “,” 1,989,824 “,1,1
    417,City of Detroit Precinct 79,143,12,0,0,2,0,0,” 35,568,104 “,” 2,984,736 “,3,2
    418,City of Detroit Precinct 80,180,11,0,1,0,0,0,” 44,771,040 “,” 2,736,008 “,4,2
    419,City of Detroit Precinct 81,296,18,4,1,3,0,0,” 73,623,488 “,” 4,477,104 “,7,4
    420,City of Detroit Precinct 82,210,10,1,1,2,1,0,” 52,232,880 “,” 2,487,280 “,5,2
    421,City of Detroit Precinct 83,292,14,0,0,0,1,0,” 72,628,576 “,” 3,482,192 “,7,3
    422,City of Detroit Precinct 84,308,33,1,1,6,0,0,” 76,608,224 “,” 8,208,024 “,7,8
    423,City of Detroit Precinct 85,172,18,3,1,1,1,0,” 42,781,216 “,” 4,477,104 “,4,4
    424,City of Detroit Precinct 86,180,18,2,0,0,0,0,” 44,771,040 “,” 4,477,104 “,4,4
    425,City of Detroit Precinct 87,16,0,0,0,0,0,0,” 3,979,648 “, –   ,3,0
    426,City of Detroit Precinct 88,167,9,1,0,0,1,0,” 41,537,576 “,” 2,238,552 “,4,2
    427,City of Detroit Precinct 89,101,4,2,0,1,0,0,” 25,121,528 “,” 994,912 “,2,9
    428,City of Detroit Precinct 90,0,0,0,0,0,0,0, –   , –   ,0,0
    429,City of Detroit Precinct 91,255,21,3,0,1,0,0,” 63,425,640 “,” 5,223,288 “,6,5
    430,City of Detroit Precinct 92,197,35,0,0,0,0,0,” 48,999,416 “,” 8,705,480 “,4,8
    431,City of Detroit Precinct 93,112,3,0,1,0,0,0,” 27,857,536 “,” 746,184 “,2,7
    432,City of Detroit Precinct 94,218,19,2,3,0,0,0,” 54,222,704 “,” 4,725,832 “,5,4
    433,City of Detroit Precinct 95,194,32,1,0,1,0,0,” 48,253,232 “,” 7,959,296 “,4,7
    434,City of Detroit Precinct 96,127,9,1,0,1,0,0,” 31,588,456 “,” 2,238,552 “,3,2
    435,City of Detroit Precinct 97,90,6,1,0,0,0,0,” 22,385,520 “,” 1,492,368 “,2,1
    436,City of Detroit Precinct 98,163,24,0,0,0,0,0,” 40,542,664 “,” 5,969,472 “,4,5
    437,City of Detroit Precinct 99,52,9,1,0,0,0,0,” 12,933,856 “,” 2,238,552 “,1,2
    438,City of Detroit Precinct 100,67,6,0,0,0,0,0,” 16,664,776 “,” 1,492,368 “,1,1
    439,City of Detroit Precinct 101,9,1,0,0,0,0,0,” 2,238,552 “,” 248,728 “,2,2
    440,City of Detroit Precinct 102,120,4,0,1,0,1,0,” 29,847,360 “,” 994,912 “,2,9
    441,City of Detroit Precinct 103,107,2,0,0,0,0,0,” 26,613,896 “,” 497,456 “,2,4
    442,City of Detroit Precinct 104,60,1,0,0,0,0,0,” 14,923,680 “,” 248,728 “,1,2
    443,City of Detroit Precinct 105,75,4,0,0,0,0,0,” 18,654,600 “,” 994,912 “,1,9
    444,City of Detroit Precinct 106,148,6,0,1,1,0,0,” 36,811,744 “,” 1,492,368 “,3,1
    445,City of Detroit Precinct 107,75,5,0,0,0,0,0,” 18,654,600 “,” 1,243,640 “,1,1
    446,City of Detroit Precinct 108,178,6,1,1,0,1,0,” 44,273,584 “,” 1,492,368 “,4,1
    447,City of Detroit Precinct 109,0,0,0,0,0,0,0, –   , –   ,0,0
    448,City of Detroit Precinct 110,133,9,0,1,0,0,0,” 33,080,824 “,” 2,238,552 “,3,2
    449,City of Detroit Precinct 111,169,4,1,2,1,0,0,” 42,035,032 “,” 994,912 “,4,9
    450,City of Detroit Precinct 112,114,5,0,2,1,0,0,” 28,354,992 “,” 1,243,640 “,2,1
    451,City of Detroit Precinct 113,103,3,0,0,1,0,0,” 25,618,984 “,” 746,184 “,2,7
    452,City of Detroit Precinct 114,113,9,0,0,0,0,0,” 28,106,264 “,” 2,238,552 “,2,2
    453,City of Detroit Precinct 115,227,13,0,3,0,0,0,” 56,461,256 “,” 3,233,464 “,5,3
    454,City of Detroit Precinct 116,152,7,0,0,0,1,0,” 37,806,656 “,” 1,741,096 “,3,1
    455,City of Detroit Precinct 117,76,3,0,1,1,0,0,” 18,903,328 “,” 746,184 “,1,7
    456,City of Detroit Precinct 118,155,6,0,0,1,1,0,” 38,552,840 “,” 1,492,368 “,3,1
    457,City of Detroit Precinct 119,92,2,4,0,0,0,0,” 22,882,976 “,” 497,456 “,2,4
    458,City of Detroit Precinct 120,122,6,3,0,1,0,0,” 30,344,816 “,” 1,492,368 “,3,1
    459,City of Detroit Precinct 121,124,8,0,0,0,0,0,” 30,842,272 “,” 1,989,824 “,3,1
    460,City of Detroit Precinct 122,74,6,0,0,2,0,0,” 18,405,872 “,” 1,492,368 “,1,1
    461,City of Detroit Precinct 123,158,29,4,1,0,0,0,” 39,299,024 “,” 7,213,112 “,3,7
    462,City of Detroit Precinct 124,128,25,2,0,1,1,0,” 31,837,184 “,” 6,218,200 “,3,6
    463,City of Detroit Precinct 125,89,9,0,0,0,0,0,” 22,136,792 “,” 2,238,552 “,2,2
    464,City of Detroit Precinct 126,165,23,7,1,0,2,0,” 41,040,120 “,” 5,720,744 “,4,5
    465,City of Detroit Precinct 127,95,11,0,0,0,0,0,” 23,629,160 “,” 2,736,008 “,2,2
    466,City of Detroit Precinct 128,155,11,2,0,2,0,0,” 38,552,840 “,” 2,736,008 “,3,2
    467,City of Detroit Precinct 129,117,12,1,0,1,1,0,” 29,101,176 “,” 2,984,736 “,2,2
    468,City of Detroit Precinct 130,109,7,0,0,2,0,0,” 27,111,352 “,” 1,741,096 “,2,1
    469,City of Detroit Precinct 131,158,8,0,1,2,1,0,” 39,299,024 “,” 1,989,824 “,3,1
    470,City of Detroit Precinct 132,144,27,1,0,0,0,0,” 35,816,832 “,” 6,715,656 “,3,6
    471,City of Detroit Precinct 133,145,36,1,1,0,1,0,” 36,065,560 “,” 8,954,208 “,3,8
    472,City of Detroit Precinct 134,129,13,0,0,1,0,0,” 32,085,912 “,” 3,233,464 “,3,3
    473,City of Detroit Precinct 135,129,15,0,1,3,0,0,” 32,085,912 “,” 3,730,920 “,3,3
    474,City of Detroit Precinct 136,246,17,1,0,1,1,0,” 61,187,088 “,” 4,228,376 “,6,4
    475,City of Detroit Precinct 137,92,15,0,0,0,0,0,” 22,882,976 “,” 3,730,920 “,2,3
    476,City of Detroit Precinct 138,80,5,0,0,0,0,0,” 19,898,240 “,” 1,243,640 “,1,1
    477,City of Detroit Precinct 139,170,25,0,0,1,0,0,” 42,283,760 “,” 6,218,200 “,4,6
    478,City of Detroit Precinct 140,86,1,0,0,0,0,0,” 21,390,608 “,” 248,728 “,2,2
    479,City of Detroit Precinct 141,191,8,1,0,1,0,0,” 47,507,048 “,” 1,989,824 “,4,1
    480,City of Detroit Precinct 142,101,7,1,0,0,0,0,” 25,121,528 “,” 1,741,096 “,2,1
    481,City of Detroit Precinct 143,161,26,3,0,1,0,0,” 40,045,208 “,” 6,466,928 “,4,6
    482,City of Detroit Precinct 144,174,35,3,0,0,1,0,” 43,278,672 “,” 8,705,480 “,4,8
    483,City of Detroit Precinct 145,116,32,6,0,1,0,0,” 28,852,448 “,” 7,959,296 “,2,7
    484,City of Detroit Precinct 146,133,18,1,0,0,0,0,” 33,080,824 “,” 4,477,104 “,3,4
    485,City of Detroit Precinct 147,264,23,0,1,2,0,0,” 65,664,192 “,” 5,720,744 “,6,5
    486,City of Detroit Precinct 148,0,0,0,0,0,0,0, –   , –   ,0,0
    487,City of Detroit Precinct 149,159,15,1,0,2,0,0,” 39,547,752 “,” 3,730,920 “,3,3
    488,City of Detroit Precinct 150,147,22,1,0,0,0,0,” 36,563,016 “,” 5,472,016 “,3,5
    489,City of Detroit Precinct 151,147,17,1,0,1,1,0,” 36,563,016 “,” 4,228,376 “,3,4
    490,City of Detroit Precinct 152,75,13,4,0,1,0,0,” 18,654,600 “,” 3,233,464 “,1,3
    491,City of Detroit Precinct 153,62,21,1,0,0,0,0,” 15,421,136 “,” 5,223,288 “,1,5
    492,City of Detroit Precinct 154,47,14,0,0,1,1,0,” 11,690,216 “,” 3,482,192 “,1,3
    493,City of Detroit Precinct 155,37,12,1,0,0,0,0,” 9,202,936 “,” 2,984,736 “,9,2
    494,City of Detroit Precinct 156,202,11,1,0,0,0,0,” 50,243,056 “,” 2,736,008 “,5,2
    495,City of Detroit Precinct 157,168,43,7,1,0,0,0,” 41,786,304 “,” 10,695,304 “,4,1
    496,City of Detroit Precinct 158,225,18,3,0,1,0,0,” 55,963,800 “,” 4,477,104 “,5,4
    497,City of Detroit Precinct 159,124,9,0,1,0,0,0,” 30,842,272 “,” 2,238,552 “,3,2
    498,City of Detroit Precinct 160,160,21,1,0,0,0,0,” 39,796,480 “,” 5,223,288 “,3,5
    499,City of Detroit Precinct 161,185,16,0,1,3,0,0,” 46,014,680 “,” 3,979,648 “,4,3
    500,City of Detroit Precinct 162,59,7,0,0,2,0,0,” 14,674,952 “,” 1,741,096 “,1,1
    501,City of Detroit Precinct 163,157,17,3,1,1,0,0,” 39,050,296 “,” 4,228,376 “,3,4
    502,City of Detroit Precinct 164,201,20,1,1,0,0,0,” 49,994,328 “,” 4,974,560 “,4,4
    503,City of Detroit Precinct 165,89,6,0,0,0,0,0,” 22,136,792 “,” 1,492,368 “,2,1
    504,City of Detroit Precinct 166,146,24,0,0,1,1,0,” 36,314,288 “,” 5,969,472 “,3,5
    505,City of Detroit Precinct 167,198,17,2,0,2,0,0,” 49,248,144 “,” 4,228,376 “,4,4
    506,City of Detroit Precinct 168,126,13,0,1,0,1,0,” 31,339,728 “,” 3,233,464 “,3,3
    507,City of Detroit Precinct 169,89,7,0,1,0,0,0,” 22,136,792 “,” 1,741,096 “,2,1
    508,City of Detroit Precinct 170,133,5,1,0,0,0,0,” 33,080,824 “,” 1,243,640 “,3,1
    509,City of Detroit Precinct 171,69,13,1,0,0,0,0,” 17,162,232 “,” 3,233,464 “,1,3
    510,City of Detroit Precinct 172,118,11,0,1,0,1,0,” 29,349,904 “,” 2,736,008 “,2,2
    511,City of Detroit Precinct 173,46,1,0,0,0,0,0,” 11,441,488 “,” 248,728 “,1,2
    512,City of Detroit Precinct 174,140,12,1,0,0,0,0,” 34,821,920 “,” 2,984,736 “,3,2
    513,City of Detroit Precinct 175,112,5,0,0,0,0,0,” 27,857,536 “,” 1,243,640 “,2,1
    514,City of Detroit Precinct 176,113,10,0,1,0,0,0,” 28,106,264 “,” 2,487,280 “,2,2
    515,City of Detroit Precinct 177,222,14,1,0,1,1,0,” 55,217,616 “,” 3,482,192 “,5,3
    516,City of Detroit Precinct 178,152,16,0,2,0,0,0,” 37,806,656 “,” 3,979,648 “,3,3
    517,City of Detroit Precinct 179,224,10,3,1,1,0,0,” 55,715,072 “,” 2,487,280 “,5,2
    518,City of Detroit Precinct 180,68,0,1,0,0,0,0,” 16,913,504 “, –   ,1,0
    519,City of Detroit Precinct 181,69,3,0,0,1,0,0,” 17,162,232 “,” 746,184 “,1,7
    520,City of Detroit Precinct 182,272,7,0,0,0,0,0,” 67,654,016 “,” 1,741,096 “,6,1
    521,City of Detroit Precinct 183,141,9,2,1,0,0,0,” 35,070,648 “,” 2,238,552 “,3,2
    522,City of Detroit Precinct 184,228,12,1,1,3,0,0,” 56,709,984 “,” 2,984,736 “,5,2
    523,City of Detroit Precinct 185,79,5,1,0,0,1,0,” 19,649,512 “,” 1,243,640 “,1,1
    524,City of Detroit Precinct 186,82,9,1,1,0,0,0,” 20,395,696 “,” 2,238,552 “,2,2
    525,City of Detroit Precinct 187,173,7,2,0,0,0,0,” 43,029,944 “,” 1,741,096 “,4,1
    526,City of Detroit Precinct 188,147,10,0,0,0,0,0,” 36,563,016 “,” 2,487,280 “,3,2
    527,City of Detroit Precinct 189,154,7,0,0,1,0,0,” 38,304,112 “,” 1,741,096 “,3,1
    528,City of Detroit Precinct 190,177,5,0,0,2,0,0,” 44,024,856 “,” 1,243,640 “,4,1
    529,City of Detroit Precinct 191,180,13,0,2,0,1,0,” 44,771,040 “,” 3,233,464 “,4,3
    530,City of Detroit Precinct 192,166,8,1,0,1,1,0,” 41,288,848 “,” 1,989,824 “,4,1
    531,City of Detroit Precinct 193,129,15,0,0,0,0,0,” 32,085,912 “,” 3,730,920 “,3,3
    532,City of Detroit Precinct 194,138,12,0,0,0,0,0,” 34,324,464 “,” 2,984,736 “,3,2
    533,City of Detroit Precinct 195,108,13,0,0,0,0,0,” 26,862,624 “,” 3,233,464 “,2,3
    534,City of Detroit Precinct 196,127,8,0,0,0,0,0,” 31,588,456 “,” 1,989,824 “,3,1
    535,City of Detroit Precinct 197,68,6,0,1,1,0,0,” 16,913,504 “,” 1,492,368 “,1,1
    536,City of Detroit Precinct 198,62,15,0,0,1,0,0,” 15,421,136 “,” 3,730,920 “,1,3
    537,City of Detroit Precinct 199,68,7,0,0,0,0,0,” 16,913,504 “,” 1,741,096 “,1,1
    538,City of Detroit Precinct 200,133,13,0,0,0,0,0,” 33,080,824 “,” 3,233,464 “,3,3
    539,City of Detroit Precinct 201,162,16,0,0,1,0,0,” 40,293,936 “,” 3,979,648 “,4,3
    540,City of Detroit Precinct 202,101,22,0,0,0,0,0,” 25,121,528 “,” 5,472,016 “,2,5
    541,City of Detroit Precinct 203,107,20,1,0,0,0,0,” 26,613,896 “,” 4,974,560 “,2,4
    542,City of Detroit Precinct 204,182,13,0,2,0,0,0,” 45,268,496 “,” 3,233,464 “,4,3
    543,City of Detroit Precinct 205,99,11,0,0,0,0,0,” 24,624,072 “,” 2,736,008 “,2,2
    544,City of Detroit Precinct 206,124,7,0,1,0,0,0,” 30,842,272 “,” 1,741,096 “,3,1
    545,City of Detroit Precinct 207,220,16,1,1,1,0,0,” 54,720,160 “,” 3,979,648 “,5,3
    546,City of Detroit Precinct 208,145,23,0,0,1,1,0,” 36,065,560 “,” 5,720,744 “,3,5
    547,City of Detroit Precinct 209,131,4,0,0,1,0,0,” 32,583,368 “,” 994,912 “,3,9
    548,City of Detroit Precinct 210,123,8,0,0,1,0,0,” 30,593,544 “,” 1,989,824 “,3,1
    549,City of Detroit Precinct 211,106,6,1,0,1,0,0,” 26,365,168 “,” 1,492,368 “,2,1
    550,City of Detroit Precinct 212,164,5,0,0,0,0,0,” 40,791,392 “,” 1,243,640 “,4,1
    551,City of Detroit Precinct 213,126,3,2,0,0,0,0,” 31,339,728 “,” 746,184 “,3,7
    552,City of Detroit Precinct 214,181,17,0,1,1,0,0,” 45,019,768 “,” 4,228,376 “,4,4
    553,City of Detroit Precinct 215,222,6,1,0,2,0,0,” 55,217,616 “,” 1,492,368 “,5,1
    554,City of Detroit Precinct 216,67,3,0,1,0,0,0,” 16,664,776 “,” 746,184 “,1,7
    555,City of Detroit Precinct 217,230,4,0,2,2,0,0,” 57,207,440 “,” 994,912 “,5,9
    556,City of Detroit Precinct 218,99,3,1,1,2,0,0,” 24,624,072 “,” 746,184 “,2,7
    557,City of Detroit Precinct 219,103,5,2,0,0,0,0,” 25,618,984 “,” 1,243,640 “,2,1
    558,City of Detroit Precinct 220,159,17,1,2,1,0,0,” 39,547,752 “,” 4,228,376 “,3,4
    559,City of Detroit Precinct 221,176,6,0,0,1,0,0,” 43,776,128 “,” 1,492,368 “,4,1
    560,City of Detroit Precinct 222,86,7,0,0,0,0,0,” 21,390,608 “,” 1,741,096 “,2,1
    561,City of Detroit Precinct 223,198,10,1,0,1,0,0,” 49,248,144 “,” 2,487,280 “,4,2
    562,City of Detroit Precinct 224,77,4,0,0,0,0,0,” 19,152,056 “,” 994,912 “,1,9
    563,City of Detroit Precinct 225,253,14,2,0,4,0,0,” 62,928,184 “,” 3,482,192 “,6,3
    564,City of Detroit Precinct 226,104,9,2,0,0,0,0,” 25,867,712 “,” 2,238,552 “,2,2
    565,City of Detroit Precinct 227,178,9,0,1,1,0,0,” 44,273,584 “,” 2,238,552 “,4,2
    566,City of Detroit Precinct 228,140,17,1,0,1,0,0,” 34,821,920 “,” 4,228,376 “,3,4
    567,City of Detroit Precinct 229,183,15,0,0,1,2,0,” 45,517,224 “,” 3,730,920 “,4,3
    568,City of Detroit Precinct 230,193,10,0,1,0,0,0,” 48,004,504 “,” 2,487,280 “,4,2
    569,City of Detroit Precinct 231,176,7,1,0,1,0,0,” 43,776,128 “,” 1,741,096 “,4,1
    570,City of Detroit Precinct 232,216,13,0,2,0,0,0,” 53,725,248 “,” 3,233,464 “,5,3
    571,City of Detroit Precinct 233,224,7,3,3,1,0,0,” 55,715,072 “,” 1,741,096 “,5,1
    572,City of Detroit Precinct 234,170,16,1,1,2,0,0,” 42,283,760 “,” 3,979,648 “,4,3
    573,City of Detroit Precinct 235,110,10,1,0,1,0,0,” 27,360,080 “,” 2,487,280 “,2,2
    574,City of Detroit Precinct 236,219,15,2,0,1,0,0,” 54,471,432 “,” 3,730,920 “,5,3
    575,City of Detroit Precinct 237,220,17,1,0,1,0,0,” 54,720,160 “,” 4,228,376 “,5,4
    576,City of Detroit Precinct 238,156,16,4,0,2,0,0,” 38,801,568 “,” 3,979,648 “,3,3
    577,City of Detroit Precinct 239,157,4,1,0,1,1,0,” 39,050,296 “,” 994,912 “,3,9
    578,City of Detroit Precinct 240,159,17,2,1,3,0,0,” 39,547,752 “,” 4,228,376 “,3,4
    579,City of Detroit Precinct 241,174,4,1,0,2,0,0,” 43,278,672 “,” 994,912 “,4,9
    580,City of Detroit Precinct 242,199,13,1,1,0,0,0,” 49,496,872 “,” 3,233,464 “,4,3
    581,City of Detroit Precinct 243,85,8,0,0,0,0,0,” 21,141,880 “,” 1,989,824 “,2,1
    582,City of Detroit Precinct 244,186,13,0,0,0,0,0,” 46,263,408 “,” 3,233,464 “,4,3
    583,City of Detroit Precinct 245,201,10,4,2,3,0,0,” 49,994,328 “,” 2,487,280 “,4,2
    584,City of Detroit Precinct 246,201,12,1,0,1,0,0,” 49,994,328 “,” 2,984,736 “,4,2
    585,City of Detroit Precinct 247,149,6,2,0,0,0,0,” 37,060,472 “,” 1,492,368 “,3,1
    586,City of Detroit Precinct 248,112,5,0,0,0,0,0,” 27,857,536 “,” 1,243,640 “,2,1
    587,City of Detroit Precinct 249,199,11,0,0,0,0,0,” 49,496,872 “,” 2,736,008 “,4,2
    588,City of Detroit Precinct 250,216,9,2,2,1,2,0,” 53,725,248 “,” 2,238,552 “,5,2
    589,City of Detroit Precinct 251,135,7,1,0,0,0,0,” 33,578,280 “,” 1,741,096 “,3,1
    590,City of Detroit Precinct 252,122,5,0,0,0,0,0,” 30,344,816 “,” 1,243,640 “,3,1
    591,City of Detroit Precinct 253,146,4,0,0,0,0,0,” 36,314,288 “,” 994,912 “,3,9
    592,City of Detroit Precinct 254,220,13,0,0,1,1,0,” 54,720,160 “,” 3,233,464 “,5,3
    593,City of Detroit Precinct 255,96,8,1,0,0,0,0,” 23,877,888 “,” 1,989,824 “,2,1
    594,City of Detroit Precinct 256,160,13,0,0,1,0,0,” 39,796,480 “,” 3,233,464 “,3,3
    595,City of Detroit Precinct 257,232,12,1,0,2,1,0,” 57,704,896 “,” 2,984,736 “,5,2
    596,City of Detroit Precinct 258,197,21,2,2,1,0,0,” 48,999,416 “,” 5,223,288 “,4,5
    597,City of Detroit Precinct 259,215,5,2,0,2,0,0,” 53,476,520 “,” 1,243,640 “,5,1
    598,City of Detroit Precinct 260,145,19,0,0,0,0,0,” 36,065,560 “,” 4,725,832 “,3,4
    599,City of Detroit Precinct 261,117,28,3,0,2,0,0,” 29,101,176 “,” 6,964,384 “,2,6
    600,City of Detroit Precinct 262,121,18,2,0,1,0,0,” 30,096,088 “,” 4,477,104 “,3,4
    601,City of Detroit Precinct 263,209,13,0,1,1,0,0,” 51,984,152 “,” 3,233,464 “,5,3
    602,City of Detroit Precinct 264,155,25,2,1,1,0,0,” 38,552,840 “,” 6,218,200 “,3,6
    603,City of Detroit Precinct 265,244,26,3,3,1,0,0,” 60,689,632 “,” 6,466,928 “,6,6
    604,City of Detroit Precinct 266,85,7,0,0,2,0,0,” 21,141,880 “,” 1,741,096 “,2,1
    605,City of Detroit Precinct 267,108,4,0,0,0,1,0,” 26,862,624 “,” 994,912 “,2,9
    606,City of Detroit Precinct 268,121,9,3,0,0,0,0,” 30,096,088 “,” 2,238,552 “,3,2
    607,City of Detroit Precinct 269,69,7,2,1,0,0,0,” 17,162,232 “,” 1,741,096 “,1,1
    608,City of Detroit Precinct 270,53,2,0,0,0,1,0,” 13,182,584 “,” 497,456 “,1,4
    609,City of Detroit Precinct 271,210,10,1,0,2,0,0,” 52,232,880 “,” 2,487,280 “,5,2
    610,City of Detroit Precinct 272,93,6,1,0,1,0,0,” 23,131,704 “,” 1,492,368 “,2,1
    611,City of Detroit Precinct 273,87,7,0,0,0,1,0,” 21,639,336 “,” 1,741,096 “,2,1
    612,City of Detroit Precinct 274,123,13,0,0,3,0,0,” 30,593,544 “,” 3,233,464 “,3,3
    613,City of Detroit Precinct 275,140,6,0,0,1,0,0,” 34,821,920 “,” 1,492,368 “,3,1
    614,City of Detroit Precinct 276,275,18,1,2,0,0,0,” 68,400,200 “,” 4,477,104 “,6,4
    615,City of Detroit Precinct 277,101,5,1,0,1,0,0,” 25,121,528 “,” 1,243,640 “,2,1
    616,City of Detroit Precinct 278,153,8,0,0,1,0,0,” 38,055,384 “,” 1,989,824 “,3,1
    617,City of Detroit Precinct 279,155,11,1,1,0,2,0,” 38,552,840 “,” 2,736,008 “,3,2
    618,City of Detroit Precinct 280,187,9,1,0,1,0,0,” 46,512,136 “,” 2,238,552 “,4,2
    619,City of Detroit Precinct 281,222,16,2,0,3,1,0,” 55,217,616 “,” 3,979,648 “,5,3
    620,City of Detroit Precinct 282,218,9,2,0,1,1,0,” 54,222,704 “,” 2,238,552 “,5,2
    621,City of Detroit Precinct 283,101,5,0,0,2,0,0,” 25,121,528 “,” 1,243,640 “,2,1
    622,City of Detroit Precinct 284,158,7,0,0,1,0,0,” 39,299,024 “,” 1,741,096 “,3,1
    623,City of Detroit Precinct 285,217,23,1,1,0,0,0,” 53,973,976 “,” 5,720,744 “,5,5
    624,City of Detroit Precinct 286,209,23,1,0,1,0,0,” 51,984,152 “,” 5,720,744 “,5,5
    625,City of Detroit Precinct 287,266,16,0,0,3,0,0,” 66,161,648 “,” 3,979,648 “,6,3
    626,City of Detroit Precinct 288,231,19,1,0,1,0,0,” 57,456,168 “,” 4,725,832 “,5,4
    627,City of Detroit Precinct 289,166,12,1,0,0,0,0,” 41,288,848 “,” 2,984,736 “,4,2
    628,City of Detroit Precinct 290,134,6,0,0,0,0,0,” 33,329,552 “,” 1,492,368 “,3,1
    629,City of Detroit Precinct 291,192,6,3,0,0,0,0,” 47,755,776 “,” 1,492,368 “,4,1
    630,City of Detroit Precinct 292,200,6,0,0,1,0,0,” 49,745,600 “,” 1,492,368 “,4,1
    631,City of Detroit Precinct 293,167,15,0,1,0,0,0,” 41,537,576 “,” 3,730,920 “,4,3
    632,City of Detroit Precinct 294,196,16,3,0,0,0,0,” 48,750,688 “,” 3,979,648 “,4,3
    633,City of Detroit Precinct 295,147,13,0,0,1,0,0,” 36,563,016 “,” 3,233,464 “,3,3
    634,City of Detroit Precinct 296,148,7,4,1,0,0,0,” 36,811,744 “,” 1,741,096 “,3,1
    635,City of Detroit Precinct 297,216,15,1,0,0,0,0,” 53,725,248 “,” 3,730,920 “,5,3
    636,City of Detroit Precinct 298,266,48,1,0,0,0,0,” 66,161,648 “,” 11,938,944 “,6,1
    637,City of Detroit Precinct 299,97,7,1,0,3,0,0,” 24,126,616 “,” 1,741,096 “,2,1
    638,City of Detroit Precinct 300,152,36,0,0,2,1,0,” 37,806,656 “,” 8,954,208 “,3,8
    639,City of Detroit Precinct 301,102,19,1,0,2,0,0,” 25,370,256 “,” 4,725,832 “,2,4
    640,City of Detroit Precinct 302,119,11,2,0,0,0,0,” 29,598,632 “,” 2,736,008 “,2,2
    641,City of Detroit Precinct 303,126,24,2,1,0,0,0,” 31,339,728 “,” 5,969,472 “,3,5
    642,City of Detroit Precinct 304,101,10,0,2,0,0,0,” 25,121,528 “,” 2,487,280 “,2,2
    643,City of Detroit Precinct 305,188,11,0,1,0,0,0,” 46,760,864 “,” 2,736,008 “,4,2
    644,City of Detroit Precinct 306,264,42,3,0,1,0,0,” 65,664,192 “,” 10,446,576 “,6,1
    645,City of Detroit Precinct 307,159,10,1,1,0,0,0,” 39,547,752 “,” 2,487,280 “,3,2
    646,City of Detroit Precinct 308,179,18,3,0,1,0,0,” 44,522,312 “,” 4,477,104 “,4,4
    647,City of Detroit Precinct 309,147,14,1,0,1,0,0,” 36,563,016 “,” 3,482,192 “,3,3
    648,City of Detroit Precinct 310,144,18,1,0,3,0,0,” 35,816,832 “,” 4,477,104 “,3,4
    649,City of Detroit Precinct 311,264,14,2,2,0,0,0,” 65,664,192 “,” 3,482,192 “,6,3
    650,City of Detroit Precinct 312,253,17,3,3,2,0,0,” 62,928,184 “,” 4,228,376 “,6,4
    651,City of Detroit Precinct 313,107,5,2,0,0,0,0,” 26,613,896 “,” 1,243,640 “,2,1
    652,City of Detroit Precinct 314,150,3,0,0,0,0,0,” 37,309,200 “,” 746,184 “,3,7
    653,City of Detroit Precinct 315,269,11,0,2,2,0,0,” 66,907,832 “,” 2,736,008 “,6,2
    654,City of Detroit Precinct 316,204,17,0,0,1,0,0,” 50,740,512 “,” 4,228,376 “,5,4
    655,City of Detroit Precinct 317,163,5,1,0,0,0,0,” 40,542,664 “,” 1,243,640 “,4,1
    656,City of Detroit Precinct 318,121,8,0,0,1,0,0,” 30,096,088 “,” 1,989,824 “,3,1
    657,City of Detroit Precinct 319,165,7,0,0,1,0,0,” 41,040,120 “,” 1,741,096 “,4,1
    658,City of Detroit Precinct 320,142,11,0,0,1,0,0,” 35,319,376 “,” 2,736,008 “,3,2
    659,City of Detroit Precinct 321,199,7,0,2,4,0,0,” 49,496,872 “,” 1,741,096 “,4,1
    660,City of Detroit Precinct 322,64,5,0,0,0,0,0,” 15,918,592 “,” 1,243,640 “,1,1
    661,City of Detroit Precinct 323,205,9,0,0,2,1,0,” 50,989,240 “,” 2,238,552 “,5,2
    662,City of Detroit Precinct 324,166,15,0,1,1,1,0,” 41,288,848 “,” 3,730,920 “,4,3
    663,City of Detroit Precinct 325,167,15,1,0,1,0,0,” 41,537,576 “,” 3,730,920 “,4,3
    664,City of Detroit Precinct 326,117,7,0,0,0,0,0,” 29,101,176 “,” 1,741,096 “,2,1
    665,City of Detroit Precinct 327,173,9,0,0,0,0,0,” 43,029,944 “,” 2,238,552 “,4,2
    666,City of Detroit Precinct 328,192,13,0,0,0,0,0,” 47,755,776 “,” 3,233,464 “,4,3
    667,City of Detroit Precinct 329,159,10,2,0,0,0,0,” 39,547,752 “,” 2,487,280 “,3,2
    668,City of Detroit Precinct 330,350,15,1,1,2,0,0,” 87,054,800 “,” 3,730,920 “,8,3
    669,City of Detroit Precinct 331,171,18,0,0,0,1,0,” 42,532,488 “,” 4,477,104 “,4,4
    670,City of Detroit Precinct 332,151,8,2,0,1,1,0,” 37,557,928 “,” 1,989,824 “,3,1
    671,City of Detroit Precinct 333,158,6,3,0,0,1,0,” 39,299,024 “,” 1,492,368 “,3,1
    672,City of Detroit Precinct 334,152,9,1,1,2,0,0,” 37,806,656 “,” 2,238,552 “,3,2
    673,City of Detroit Precinct 335,213,21,1,1,1,1,0,” 52,979,064 “,” 5,223,288 “,5,5
    674,City of Detroit Precinct 336,207,31,0,0,1,1,0,” 51,486,696 “,” 7,710,568 “,5,7
    675,City of Detroit Precinct 337,184,34,1,0,1,1,0,” 45,765,952 “,” 8,456,752 “,4,8
    676,City of Detroit Precinct 338,221,57,4,0,0,2,0,” 54,968,888 “,” 14,177,496 “,5,1
    677,City of Detroit Precinct 339,166,21,0,0,0,0,0,” 41,288,848 “,” 5,223,288 “,4,5
    678,City of Detroit Precinct 340,132,18,0,1,1,0,0,” 32,832,096 “,” 4,477,104 “,3,4
    679,City of Detroit Precinct 341,280,14,2,0,4,0,0,” 69,643,840 “,” 3,482,192 “,6,3
    680,City of Detroit Precinct 342,232,50,5,1,1,0,0,” 57,704,896 “,” 12,436,400 “,5,1
    681,City of Detroit Precinct 343,301,27,1,5,2,0,0,” 74,867,128 “,” 6,715,656 “,7,6
    682,City of Detroit Precinct 344,260,15,1,0,1,1,0,” 64,669,280 “,” 3,730,920 “,6,3
    683,City of Detroit Precinct 345,267,17,1,1,0,0,0,” 66,410,376 “,” 4,228,376 “,6,4
    684,City of Detroit Precinct 346,197,11,0,1,0,0,0,” 48,999,416 “,” 2,736,008 “,4,2
    685,City of Detroit Precinct 347,242,13,1,1,0,0,0,” 60,192,176 “,” 3,233,464 “,6,3
    686,City of Detroit Precinct 348,146,14,1,0,0,0,0,” 36,314,288 “,” 3,482,192 “,3,3
    687,City of Detroit Precinct 349,107,6,2,0,1,0,0,” 26,613,896 “,” 1,492,368 “,2,1
    688,City of Detroit Precinct 350,55,11,0,0,0,0,0,” 13,680,040 “,” 2,736,008 “,1,2
    689,City of Detroit Precinct 351,133,11,1,0,1,0,0,” 33,080,824 “,” 2,736,008 “,3,2
    690,City of Detroit Precinct 352,272,24,1,0,2,1,0,” 67,654,016 “,” 5,969,472 “,6,5
    691,City of Detroit Precinct 353,56,10,0,0,0,0,0,” 13,928,768 “,” 2,487,280 “,1,2
    692,City of Detroit Precinct 354,178,13,0,0,1,1,0,” 44,273,584 “,” 3,233,464 “,4,3
    693,City of Detroit Precinct 355,325,44,0,2,1,0,0,” 80,836,600 “,” 10,944,032 “,8,1
    694,City of Detroit Precinct 356,212,9,1,0,1,0,0,” 52,730,336 “,” 2,238,552 “,5,2
    695,City of Detroit Precinct 357,108,6,1,0,2,0,0,” 26,862,624 “,” 1,492,368 “,2,1
    696,City of Detroit Precinct 358,132,2,1,0,1,0,0,” 32,832,096 “,” 497,456 “,3,4
    697,City of Detroit Precinct 359,193,7,0,0,0,0,0,” 48,004,504 “,” 1,741,096 “,4,1
    698,City of Detroit Precinct 360,200,17,7,0,4,0,0,” 49,745,600 “,” 4,228,376 “,4,4
    699,City of Detroit Precinct 361,212,18,1,0,3,0,0,” 52,730,336 “,” 4,477,104 “,5,4
    700,City of Detroit Precinct 362,101,9,0,0,3,1,0,” 25,121,528 “,” 2,238,552 “,2,2
    701,City of Detroit Precinct 363,250,9,2,1,4,0,0,” 62,182,000 “,” 2,238,552 “,6,2
    702,City of Detroit Precinct 364,97,5,0,0,0,0,0,” 24,126,616 “,” 1,243,640 “,2,1
    703,City of Detroit Precinct 365,126,6,0,0,0,0,0,” 31,339,728 “,” 1,492,368 “,3,1
    704,City of Detroit Precinct 366,129,8,0,1,0,0,0,” 32,085,912 “,” 1,989,824 “,3,1
    705,City of Detroit Precinct 367,153,6,2,0,0,0,0,” 38,055,384 “,” 1,492,368 “,3,1
    706,City of Detroit Precinct 368,179,11,2,0,2,0,0,” 44,522,312 “,” 2,736,008 “,4,2
    707,City of Detroit Precinct 369,257,13,1,1,0,0,0,” 63,923,096 “,” 3,233,464 “,6,3
    708,City of Detroit Precinct 370,151,5,1,1,0,0,0,” 37,557,928 “,” 1,243,640 “,3,1
    709,City of Detroit Precinct 371,172,10,0,0,1,0,0,” 42,781,216 “,” 2,487,280 “,4,2
    710,City of Detroit Precinct 372,87,10,0,0,2,0,0,” 21,639,336 “,” 2,487,280 “,2,2
    711,City of Detroit Precinct 373,165,9,0,1,0,0,0,” 41,040,120 “,” 2,238,552 “,4,2
    712,City of Detroit Precinct 374,186,9,0,0,1,0,0,” 46,263,408 “,” 2,238,552 “,4,2
    713,City of Detroit Precinct 375,219,36,3,0,1,2,0,” 54,471,432 “,” 8,954,208 “,5,8
    714,City of Detroit Precinct 376,178,39,0,0,0,0,0,” 44,273,584 “,” 9,700,392 “,4,9
    715,City of Detroit Precinct 377,177,50,2,1,1,0,0,” 44,024,856 “,” 12,436,400 “,4,1
    716,City of Detroit Precinct 378,180,8,0,2,0,0,0,” 44,771,040 “,” 1,989,824 “,4,1
    717,City of Detroit Precinct 379,273,19,0,1,0,0,0,” 67,902,744 “,” 4,725,832 “,6,4
    718,City of Detroit Precinct 380,154,21,0,0,4,0,0,” 38,304,112 “,” 5,223,288 “,3,5
    719,City of Detroit Precinct 381,152,13,1,0,0,0,0,” 37,806,656 “,” 3,233,464 “,3,3
    720,City of Detroit Precinct 382,102,12,0,0,0,1,0,” 25,370,256 “,” 2,984,736 “,2,2
    721,City of Detroit Precinct 383,175,13,1,0,0,1,0,” 43,527,400 “,” 3,233,464 “,4,3
    722,City of Detroit Precinct 384,239,21,1,2,0,1,0,” 59,445,992 “,” 5,223,288 “,5,5
    723,City of Detroit Precinct 385,125,9,1,0,1,0,0,” 31,091,000 “,” 2,238,552 “,3,2
    724,City of Detroit Precinct 386,219,7,0,1,3,0,0,” 54,471,432 “,” 1,741,096 “,5,1
    725,City of Detroit Precinct 387,144,10,2,0,0,0,0,” 35,816,832 “,” 2,487,280 “,3,2
    726,City of Detroit Precinct 388,88,6,0,0,1,0,0,” 21,888,064 “,” 1,492,368 “,2,1
    727,City of Detroit Precinct 389,199,12,3,0,0,0,0,” 49,496,872 “,” 2,984,736 “,4,2
    728,City of Detroit Precinct 390,83,1,0,0,0,0,0,” 20,644,424 “,” 248,728 “,2,2
    729,City of Detroit Precinct 391,71,6,0,0,0,0,0,” 17,659,688 “,” 1,492,368 “,1,1
    730,City of Detroit Precinct 392,165,8,0,0,1,0,0,” 41,040,120 “,” 1,989,824 “,4,1
    731,City of Detroit Precinct 393,157,7,1,1,1,1,0,” 39,050,296 “,” 1,741,096 “,3,1
    732,City of Detroit Precinct 394,164,13,0,1,1,0,0,” 40,791,392 “,” 3,233,464 “,4,3
    733,City of Detroit Precinct 395,149,9,2,1,0,1,0,” 37,060,472 “,” 2,238,552 “,3,2
    734,City of Detroit Precinct 396,112,5,1,0,0,0,0,” 27,857,536 “,” 1,243,640 “,2,1
    735,City of Detroit Precinct 397,147,7,1,0,3,0,0,” 36,563,016 “,” 1,741,096 “,3,1
    736,City of Detroit Precinct 398,193,13,1,0,1,0,0,” 48,004,504 “,” 3,233,464 “,4,3
    737,City of Detroit Precinct 399,169,11,2,0,0,0,0,” 42,035,032 “,” 2,736,008 “,4,2
    738,City of Detroit Precinct 400,155,6,0,0,1,1,0,” 38,552,840 “,” 1,492,368 “,3,1
    739,City of Detroit Precinct 401,140,8,1,0,0,0,0,” 34,821,920 “,” 1,989,824 “,3,1
    740,City of Detroit Precinct 402,128,6,2,0,1,0,0,” 31,837,184 “,” 1,492,368 “,3,1
    741,City of Detroit Precinct 403,184,16,2,1,2,0,0,” 45,765,952 “,” 3,979,648 “,4,3
    742,City of Detroit Precinct 404,126,6,0,1,0,0,0,” 31,339,728 “,” 1,492,368 “,3,1
    743,City of Detroit Precinct 405,192,6,1,2,2,0,0,” 47,755,776 “,” 1,492,368 “,4,1
    744,City of Detroit Precinct 406,118,7,0,0,0,1,0,” 29,349,904 “,” 1,741,096 “,2,1
    745,City of Detroit Precinct 407,105,8,1,0,1,0,0,” 26,116,440 “,” 1,989,824 “,2,1
    746,City of Detroit Precinct 408,201,10,1,0,3,0,0,” 49,994,328 “,” 2,487,280 “,4,2
    747,City of Detroit Precinct 409,160,10,1,0,0,0,0,” 39,796,480 “,” 2,487,280 “,3,2
    748,City of Detroit Precinct 410,202,11,0,1,0,1,0,” 50,243,056 “,” 2,736,008 “,5,2
    749,City of Detroit Precinct 411,112,9,0,0,0,0,0,” 27,857,536 “,” 2,238,552 “,2,2
    750,City of Detroit Precinct 412,92,4,0,0,1,0,0,” 22,882,976 “,” 994,912 “,2,9
    751,City of Detroit Precinct 413,292,15,2,0,3,0,0,” 72,628,576 “,” 3,730,920 “,7,3
    752,City of Detroit Precinct 414,118,6,0,0,0,0,0,” 29,349,904 “,” 1,492,368 “,2,1
    753,City of Detroit Precinct 415,195,10,2,2,0,0,0,” 48,501,960 “,” 2,487,280 “,4,2
    754,City of Detroit Precinct 416,120,7,1,0,0,0,0,” 29,847,360 “,” 1,741,096 “,2,1
    755,City of Detroit Precinct 417,115,5,1,0,3,0,0,” 28,603,720 “,” 1,243,640 “,2,1
    756,City of Detroit Precinct 418,202,7,0,1,1,1,0,” 50,243,056 “,” 1,741,096 “,5,1
    757,City of Detroit Precinct 419,104,4,1,1,1,0,0,” 25,867,712 “,” 994,912 “,2,9
    758,City of Detroit Precinct 420,122,14,0,0,0,1,0,” 30,344,816 “,” 3,482,192 “,3,3
    759,City of Detroit Precinct 421,113,5,0,0,2,0,0,” 28,106,264 “,” 1,243,640 “,2,1
    760,City of Detroit Precinct 422,187,17,1,0,0,2,0,” 46,512,136 “,” 4,228,376 “,4,4
    761,City of Detroit Precinct 423,160,34,0,1,1,1,0,” 39,796,480 “,” 8,456,752 “,3,8
    762,City of Detroit Precinct 424,224,76,2,0,0,1,0,” 55,715,072 “,” 18,903,328 “,5,1
    763,City of Detroit Precinct 425,271,87,1,1,1,0,0,” 67,405,288 “,” 21,639,336 “,6,2
    764,City of Detroit Precinct 426,88,6,1,1,2,1,0,” 21,888,064 “,” 1,492,368 “,2,1
    765,City of Detroit Precinct 427,182,17,5,1,2,0,0,” 45,268,496 “,” 4,228,376 “,4,4
    766,City of Detroit Precinct 428,243,18,1,0,1,1,0,” 60,440,904 “,” 4,477,104 “,6,4
    767,City of Detroit Precinct 429,141,10,0,1,1,0,0,” 35,070,648 “,” 2,487,280 “,3,2
    768,City of Detroit Precinct 430,82,5,0,0,0,0,0,” 20,395,696 “,” 1,243,640 “,2,1
    769,City of Detroit Precinct 431,135,8,1,0,0,1,0,” 33,578,280 “,” 1,989,824 “,3,1
    770,City of Detroit Precinct 432,159,12,0,1,0,0,0,” 39,547,752 “,” 2,984,736 “,3,2
    771,City of Detroit Precinct 433,117,12,1,1,0,0,0,” 29,101,176 “,” 2,984,736 “,2,2
    772,City of Detroit Precinct 434,119,8,1,1,3,0,0,” 29,598,632 “,” 1,989,824 “,2,1
    773,City of Detroit Precinct 435,68,5,1,0,0,0,0,” 16,913,504 “,” 1,243,640 “,1,1
    774,City of Detroit Precinct 436,142,24,4,0,3,0,0,” 35,319,376 “,” 5,969,472 “,3,5
    775,City of Detroit Precinct 437,153,5,2,0,3,2,0,” 38,055,384 “,” 1,243,640 “,3,1
    776,City of Detroit Precinct 438,104,3,0,0,0,0,0,” 25,867,712 “,” 746,184 “,2,7
    777,City of Detroit Precinct 439,113,7,3,0,0,1,0,” 28,106,264 “,” 1,741,096 “,2,1
    778,City of Detroit Precinct 440,40,2,0,0,0,0,0,” 9,949,120 “,” 497,456 “,9,4
    779,City of Detroit Precinct 441,4,2,0,0,0,0,0,” 994,912 “,” 497,456 “,9,4
    780,City of Detroit Precinct 442,78,3,0,0,0,0,0,” 19,400,784 “,” 746,184 “,1,7
    781,City of Detroit Precinct 443,14,0,0,0,0,0,0,” 3,482,192 “, –   ,3,0
    782,City of Detroit Precinct 444,111,6,0,1,0,0,0,” 27,608,808 “,” 1,492,368 “,2,1
    783,City of Detroit Precinct 445,95,9,0,1,1,0,0,” 23,629,160 “,” 2,238,552 “,2,2
    784,City of Detroit Precinct 446,121,6,1,0,0,0,0,” 30,096,088 “,” 1,492,368 “,3,1
    785,City of Detroit Precinct 447,210,13,1,0,0,0,0,” 52,232,880 “,” 3,233,464 “,5,3
    786,City of Detroit Precinct 448,104,2,1,0,0,0,0,” 25,867,712 “,” 497,456 “,2,4
    787,City of Detroit Precinct 449,174,12,1,0,1,0,0,” 43,278,672 “,” 2,984,736 “,4,2
    788,City of Detroit Precinct 450,7,1,0,0,0,0,0,” 1,741,096 “,” 248,728 “,1,2
    789,City of Detroit Precinct 451,89,3,0,0,0,0,0,” 22,136,792 “,” 746,184 “,2,7
    790,City of Detroit Precinct 452,101,15,0,0,0,0,0,” 25,121,528 “,” 3,730,920 “,2,3
    791,City of Detroit Precinct 453,94,5,0,0,1,0,0,” 23,380,432 “,” 1,243,640 “,2,1
    792,City of Detroit Precinct 454,0,0,0,0,0,0,0, –   , –   ,0,0
    793,City of Detroit Precinct 455,78,2,1,0,0,0,0,” 19,400,784 “,” 497,456 “,1,4
    794,City of Detroit Precinct 456,47,2,0,0,0,0,0,” 11,690,216 “,” 497,456 “,1,4
    795,City of Detroit Precinct 457,100,5,0,0,1,0,0,” 24,872,800 “,” 1,243,640 “,2,1
    796,City of Detroit Precinct 458,5,0,0,0,0,0,0,” 1,243,640 “, –   ,1,0
    797,City of Detroit Precinct 459,0,0,0,0,0,0,0, –   , –   ,0,0
    798,City of Detroit Precinct 460,188,36,3,0,0,0,0,” 46,760,864 “,” 8,954,208 “,4,8
    799,City of Detroit Precinct 461,154,35,0,0,1,0,0,” 38,304,112 “,” 8,705,480 “,3,8
    800,City of Detroit Precinct 462,126,14,3,0,0,0,0,” 31,339,728 “,” 3,482,192 “,3,3
    801,City of Detroit Precinct 463,81,24,0,0,0,0,0,” 20,146,968 “,” 5,969,472 “,2,5
    802,City of Detroit Precinct 464,190,37,7,0,1,0,0,” 47,258,320 “,” 9,202,936 “,4,9
    803,City of Detroit Precinct 465,50,5,0,0,0,0,0,” 12,436,400 “,” 1,243,640 “,1,1
    804,City of Detroit Precinct 466,275,24,1,0,2,0,0,” 68,400,200 “,” 5,969,472 “,6,5
    805,City of Detroit Precinct 467,102,7,0,0,2,0,0,” 25,370,256 “,” 1,741,096 “,2,1
    806,City of Detroit Precinct 468,120,9,0,1,0,3,0,” 29,847,360 “,” 2,238,552 “,2,2
    807,City of Detroit Precinct 469,90,0,0,0,0,0,0,” 22,385,520 “, –   ,2,0
    808,City of Detroit Precinct 470,182,68,1,1,1,0,0,” 45,268,496 “,” 16,913,504 “,4,1
    809,City of Detroit Precinct 471,7,11,0,0,0,0,0,” 1,741,096 “,” 2,736,008 “,1,2
    810,City of Detroit Precinct 472,153,56,3,0,1,0,0,” 38,055,384 “,” 13,928,768 “,3,1
    811,City of Detroit Precinct 473,181,61,4,0,1,0,0,” 45,019,768 “,” 15,172,408 “,4,1
    812,City of Detroit Precinct 474,70,35,1,0,0,0,0,” 17,410,960 “,” 8,705,480 “,1,8
    813,City of Detroit Precinct 475,152,51,1,0,0,0,0,” 37,806,656 “,” 12,685,128 “,3,1
    814,City of Detroit Precinct 476,172,39,2,0,2,1,0,” 42,781,216 “,” 9,700,392 “,4,9
    815,City of Detroit Precinct 477,231,86,1,1,0,1,0,” 57,456,168 “,” 21,390,608 “,5,2
    816,City of Detroit Precinct 478,41,21,1,0,1,0,0,” 10,197,848 “,” 5,223,288 “,1,5
    817,City of Detroit Precinct 479,100,29,3,0,1,0,0,” 24,872,800 “,” 7,213,112 “,2,7
    818,City of Detroit Precinct 480,177,70,4,1,1,1,0,” 44,024,856 “,” 17,410,960 “,4,1
    819,City of Detroit Precinct 481,237,92,2,0,1,1,0,” 58,948,536 “,” 22,882,976 “,5,2
    820,City of Detroit Precinct 482,173,14,0,0,0,1,0,” 43,029,944 “,” 3,482,192 “,4,3
    821,City of Detroit Precinct 483,207,15,1,0,2,1,0,” 51,486,696 “,” 3,730,920 “,5,3
    822,City of Detroit Precinct 484,178,19,0,1,1,0,0,” 44,273,584 “,” 4,725,832 “,4,4
    823,City of Detroit Precinct 485,214,9,1,1,1,0,0,” 53,227,792 “,” 2,238,552 “,5,2
    824,City of Detroit Precinct 486,56,5,0,0,0,0,0,” 13,928,768 “,” 1,243,640 “,1,1
    825,City of Detroit Precinct 487,69,23,0,0,0,0,0,” 17,162,232 “,” 5,720,744 “,1,5
    826,City of Detroit Precinct 488,130,67,1,0,1,1,0,” 32,334,640 “,” 16,664,776 “,3,1
    827,City of Detroit Precinct 489,72,37,1,0,0,0,0,” 17,908,416 “,” 9,202,936 “,1,9
    828,City of Detroit Precinct 490,22,3,0,0,0,0,0,” 5,472,016 “,” 746,184 “,5,7
    829,City of Detroit Precinct 491,182,11,1,0,2,0,0,” 45,268,496 “,” 2,736,008 “,4,2
    830,City of Detroit Precinct 492,125,7,0,0,0,0,0,” 31,091,000 “,” 1,741,096 “,3,1
    831,City of Detroit Precinct 493,96,7,0,0,3,0,0,” 23,877,888 “,” 1,741,096 “,2,1
    832,City of Detroit Precinct 494,48,2,0,0,0,0,0,” 11,938,944 “,” 497,456 “,1,4
    833,City of Detroit Precinct 495,91,4,2,0,1,0,0,” 22,634,248 “,” 994,912 “,2,9
    834,City of Detroit Precinct 496,105,16,1,0,0,0,0,” 26,116,440 “,” 3,979,648 “,2,3
    835,City of Detroit Precinct 497,163,4,0,1,0,0,0,” 40,542,664 “,” 994,912 “,4,9
    836,City of Detroit Precinct 498,123,12,0,1,0,0,0,” 30,593,544 “,” 2,984,736 “,3,2
    837,City of Detroit Precinct 499,103,24,0,0,0,1,0,” 25,618,984 “,” 5,969,472 “,2,5
    838,City of Detroit Precinct 500,122,23,3,0,2,0,0,” 30,344,816 “,” 5,720,744 “,3,5
    839,City of Detroit Precinct 501,152,14,0,0,0,0,0,” 37,806,656 “,” 3,482,192 “,3,3
    840,City of Detroit Precinct 502,150,11,1,0,0,1,0,” 37,309,200 “,” 2,736,008 “,3,2
    841,City of Detroit Precinct 503,22,0,0,1,1,0,0,” 5,472,016 “, –   ,5,0
    ,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,,,,,,,,,,,Biden 1st Dig,Trump 1st Dig
    ,,,,,,,,Number of 1s,,,65,193
    ,,,,,,,,Total 0s,,,8,22
    ,,,,,,,,Total Excl 0s,,,629,615
    ,,,,,,,,% of 1s:,,,10.3%,31.4%
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    Source:,,,,,,,,,,,,
    https://election-county-reports-prod112020.s3.amazonaws.com/4539283c-3f09-4fdf-ad93-0bfd82d32be1/c64f9ade-9049-43ef-ab73-3feebc7ef5f0/Results%20per%20Precinct%20Data%20report.pdf,,,,,,,,,,,,

  126. @anon
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Consider the curious incident of Wisconsin in the night time.

    https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/us-elections-2020-fraud-wisconsin.jpg

    Replies: @Prof. Woland

    I want that T shirt

  127. anon[882] • Disclaimer says:

    “Software glitch” in Michigan county put 6,000 Trump votes into the Biden column. Now it turns out Trump actually won that county by 2,000 votes.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/software-glitch-in-michigan-sent-6000-trump-votes-to-biden/ar-BB1aMk7c

    Election results in a county in Michigan had to be corrected to show that President Trump won by nearly 2,000 votes after voting software gave 6,000 of his votes to Biden.

    The glitch was noticed by local election officials in Antrim County on Wednesday after results showed that the former vice president won the county in the presidential race.

    Unofficials results now show that President Trump won the historically red county by just 2,000 votes, 9&10 News reports.

    47 other Michigan counties use the same software.

    Nothing to see here. Move along, citizen.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @anon

    Um, how would a "glitch" do something like that? How would anyone figure out there was a glitch? This story is bullshit. The vote count could have been screwed up, but it would have had to e done by a human.

    , @Ron Mexico
    @anon

    I think Antrim is the county where Whitmer's hubby tried to get his boat out of docks violating his bitch's EO.

  128. @Anon

    Adept vote concoction is a traditional folk art practiced mostly in big cities with a Catholic political heritage from roughly Boston in the east to maybe Kansas City in the west. You’ll notice that in Arizona, the late vote count has mostly been favoring Trump.
     
    Tammany Hall was originally a corrupt political machine developed by old NYC WASPs and was anti-immigrant (mostly Irish and German at the time). In the mid-19th century when the large waves of Irish and other immigrants started coming in, it realized it could use immigrants as a dependable vote bank. Boss Tweed was Quaker.

    Replies: @Anon, @Reg Cæsar, @Reg Cæsar

    Correct Tammany Hall was well known to be corrupt as early as 1810, long before there was any significant catholic population in NYC

  129. @ThisIsAnon153Replying
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    They're gonna lose the senate too, when both Georgia runoffs happen. That's what happens when you make a deal with the devil.

    Or maybe they'll rig that race for the GOP just to humiliate Trump more. Who knows anymore.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    They’re gonna lose the senate too, when both Georgia runoffs happen. That’s what happens when you make a deal with the devil.

    Yes, I believe they will print up enough ballots to win those runoffs as well as the Senate race in Michigan.

  130. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    Biden underperformed Hillary Clinton in every major urban area except Milwaukee, Philadelphia, Atlanta, and Detroit.

    NOTHING TO SEE HERE, FOLKS.

    Replies: @epebble, @res

    I see that asserted in these tweets.

    Does anyone have hard data showing it?

  131. @Garlic
    @Garlic

    Further to my earlier post, showing Milwaukee ward totals for Trump with leading 1s to be 31.2%, almost exactly the total expected under Benford’s Law of 31.1%, but Biden’s percent to be an unlikely 14.5%:

    I am attaching my actual data below the “More” tag. Anyone who wants to verify my results can copy and paste the data into Excel, choose Text to Columns, with commas as the delimiters.

    Voting Ward,Reg Voters,Biden Votes,Trump Votes,TOTAL,Turnout,Biden %,Biden 1st Dig,Trump 1st Dig,All First Dig
    326,4,2,3,5,125%,40%,2,3,5
    312,"1,029",553,389,942,92%,59%,5,3,9
    272,"1,190",512,567,"1,079",91%,47%,5,5,1
    273,671,313,290,603,90%,52%,3,2,6
    267,723,362,285,647,89%,56%,3,2,6
    276,"1,431",672,600,"1,272",89%,53%,6,6,1
    243,"1,215",852,215,"1,067",88%,80%,8,2,1
    82,945,528,301,829,88%,64%,5,3,8
    299,"1,029",653,249,902,88%,72%,6,2,9
    294,696,418,191,609,88%,69%,4,1,6
    303,"1,316",722,429,"1,151",87%,63%,7,4,1
    296,"1,098",670,288,958,87%,70%,6,2,9
    206,736,479,163,642,87%,75%,4,1,6
    278,838,370,359,729,87%,51%,3,3,7
    93,765,495,170,665,87%,74%,4,1,6
    279,"1,172",573,445,"1,018",87%,56%,5,4,1
    317,"1,019",533,352,885,87%,60%,5,3,8
    314,769,347,320,667,87%,52%,3,3,6
    302,906,476,309,785,87%,61%,4,3,7
    131,"1,306",864,267,"1,131",87%,76%,8,2,1
    307,910,486,302,788,87%,62%,4,3,7
    264,"1,342",676,485,"1,161",87%,58%,6,4,1
    209,865,453,295,748,86%,61%,4,2,7
    268,"1,658",798,634,"1,432",86%,56%,7,6,1
    301,"1,314",769,361,"1,130",86%,68%,7,3,1
    316,865,373,370,743,86%,50%,3,3,7
    300,"1,388",967,224,"1,191",86%,81%,9,2,1
    269,978,451,388,839,86%,54%,4,3,8
    15,878,535,218,753,86%,71%,5,2,7
    271,"1,695",817,634,"1,451",86%,56%,8,6,1
    293,903,495,277,772,85%,64%,4,2,7
    265,723,351,267,618,85%,57%,3,2,6
    9,876,633,115,748,85%,85%,6,1,7
    260,467,290,108,398,85%,73%,2,1,3
    83,"1,157",662,323,985,85%,67%,6,3,9
    298,827,542,162,704,85%,77%,5,1,7
    246,"1,454","1,030",206,"1,236",85%,83%,1,2,1
    203,"1,176",807,192,999,85%,81%,8,1,9
    88,928,605,183,788,85%,77%,6,1,7
    277,"1,520",688,602,"1,290",85%,53%,6,6,1
    86,"1,065",629,274,903,85%,70%,6,2,9
    245,815,556,135,691,85%,80%,5,1,6
    87,689,434,150,584,85%,74%,4,1,5
    262,"1,243",665,388,"1,053",85%,63%,6,3,1
    275,"1,660",772,633,"1,405",85%,55%,7,6,1
    261,604,337,174,511,85%,66%,3,1,5
    244,"1,006",699,152,851,85%,82%,6,1,8
    309,"1,298",645,453,"1,098",85%,59%,6,4,1
    270,931,411,376,787,85%,52%,4,3,7
    274,702,296,297,593,84%,50%,2,2,5
    89,"1,175",746,245,991,84%,75%,7,2,9
    132,"1,915","1,255",359,"1,614",84%,78%,1,3,1
    313,"2,034",950,762,"1,712",84%,55%,9,7,1
    242,"1,069",740,159,899,84%,82%,7,1,8
    297,993,637,197,834,84%,76%,6,1,8
    280,"1,911","1,124",481,"1,605",84%,70%,1,4,1
    287,562,331,141,472,84%,70%,3,1,4
    74,785,597,62,659,84%,91%,5,6,6
    33,"2,395","1,324",684,"2,008",84%,66%,1,6,2
    292,747,428,198,626,84%,68%,4,1,6
    288,"1,264",673,386,"1,059",84%,64%,6,3,1
    168,"1,754","1,204",265,"1,469",84%,82%,1,2,1
    90,"1,135",733,217,950,84%,77%,7,2,9
    304,"1,089",531,379,910,84%,58%,5,3,9
    84,826,465,224,689,83%,67%,4,2,6
    85,"1,109",623,302,925,83%,67%,6,3,9
    205,922,572,197,769,83%,74%,5,1,7
    204,"1,036",678,186,864,83%,78%,6,1,8
    126,"1,065",815,73,888,83%,92%,8,7,8
    234,688,458,114,572,83%,80%,4,1,5
    266,843,340,360,700,83%,49%,3,3,7
    81,740,384,230,614,83%,63%,3,2,6
    281,891,474,265,739,83%,64%,4,2,7
    207,865,446,270,716,83%,62%,4,2,7
    305,"1,101",567,344,911,83%,62%,5,3,9
    129,"1,174",809,162,971,83%,83%,8,1,9
    8,"1,765","1,150",306,"1,456",82%,79%,1,3,1
    208,988,512,302,814,82%,63%,5,3,8
    125,"1,376","1,012",121,"1,133",82%,89%,1,1,1
    295,890,541,191,732,82%,74%,5,1,7
    311,785,368,277,645,82%,57%,3,2,6
    92,"1,606","1,057",260,"1,317",82%,80%,1,2,1
    210,818,355,315,670,82%,53%,3,3,6
    17,735,477,125,602,82%,79%,4,1,6
    214,532,335,100,435,82%,77%,3,1,4
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    TOTALS,"315,483","194,646","48,213","242,859",84%,80%,,,
    ,,,,,,,Biden 1st Dig,Trump 1st Dig,All First Dig
    ,,,,,,Number of 1s,47,98,67
    ,,,,,,% of 1s:,14.5%,30.2%,20.7%
    ,,,,,,,,,
    ,,,,,,324 wards,,,
    ,,,,,,,,,
    source:,,,,,,,,,
    https://mkecitywire.com/stories/564495243-analysis-seven-milwaukee-wards-report-more-2020-presidential-votes-than-registered-voters-biden-nets-146k-votes-in-city,,,,,,,,,

    Replies: @res

    I looked at the numbers for Detroit and Milwaukee. Discussed here and in following comments.
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/by-any-means-necessary-2/#comment-4265751

    It looks to me like the simple Benford’s law violations are an artifact of the sizes of the wards/precincts.

    I do think there are some suspicious results from more sophisticated tests along those lines.

    • Replies: @Garlic
    @res

    Thank you, Res. I hadn’t read your earlier comment that you linked to, or the follow up comments from yourself and others before. I have just read them now. They’re very high quality, and I recommend them to others to also read.

    A few further points:

    1) In the case of Detroit, I agree about the small sizes of the precincts being likely to distort a Benford’s Law analysis. That’s why I took the original small numbers and multiplied them each by a very large number (in this case, the total reported votes in Detroit) and then applied the Benford’s Law test to these larger numbers. This makes sense to me, but I’d be happy to get any thoughts as to why this may or may not be a valid approach.

    2) A funny thing I noticed in looking at the raw numbers is that many precincts have 0 votes for anyone. I assumed these were legitimate.

    3) On my earlier post, when I gave the URL for the original data source for Detroit votes, I see the end of it got cut off. The correct URL is:

    https://election-county-reports-prod112020.s3.amazonaws.com/4539283c-3f09-4fdf-ad93-0bfd82d32be1/c64f9ade-9049-43ef-ab73-3feebc7ef5f0/Results%20per%20Precinct%20Data%20report.pdf

    Replies: @res

  132. Curious what you say about the Catholic political culture and election fraud. That story about Ozzie Myers in Philly seemed like a real throwback; all the players seemed to be old fashioned white ethnic union leaders out of some 30 year old gangster movie.

  133. @Jack D
    @Garlic

    It's very hard to obtain convictions based on Benford's Law. It seems unintuitive (shouldn't 1 to 9 be equally distributed by chance? The answer is no but it doesn't appear that way).

    Even if you can convince the court that Benford's Law is real and proves that there has been manipulation, you need to show more. Courts require evidence. WHO monkeyed with the numbers? HOW did they do it? WHERE and WHEN did this happen? WHO are the witnesses who will testify to this? WHERE are the documents that provide a paper trail ? And so on. Benford's Law is just the start of an inquiry, not the end.

    Replies: @Garlic, @res

    As Garlic said, Benford’s law (and similar tests) is most useful for telling us where to look more closely. And perhaps providing probable cause to do so.

  134. @Ali Choudhury
    Are there more recent examples than 1982? It's the same excuse making as the Dems with Facebook and Russian interference being responsible for 2016, although it's probably useful to rile up the rubes so both parties will keep alleging foul play. Trump lost by being less appealing to white men than he was in 2016.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @bomag, @Dumbo, @Polynikes, @fnn, @MBlanc46, @Sebastian Hawks

    You simply don’t know what you’re talking about. Perhaps they don’t do that sort of thing in India, but they sure do in Dem-controlled American cities.

  135. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    We tried that once and it didn't work out well. And that time it was easier to see where the borders should be.

    Where are the borders between the Vision A/ Vision B country supposed to be?

    Sure, the West Coast and the East Coast from VA to the Canadian border got to the Vision B land (let's call it Wakanda) but what about the rest? (Kind of a shame that Wakanda gets the financial center, Silicon Valley, the aircraft factories in WA and the former Federal capital, but whaddaya gonna do...)

    Lots of blacks in the South but most blacks subscribe to Vision B (mainly the gib me dats part of the vision but still, if Vision A is "Republican" and Vision B is "Democrat" (and it is) then blacks belong to Vision B).

    There are a lot (in fact most) states where the big cities and their suburbs (which contain maybe 1/2 the population despite occupying 5% of the territory) subscribe mainly to Vision B but the rest of the state believes in Vision A. How does that work? Do all the Vision B people have to leave Chicago, Detroit, Milwaukee, etc. when their states end up in Vision A land and where do they go?

    Most university towns (and faculty) subscribe to Vision B. Admittedly a lot of stuff in universities nowadays is worthless but there is still some science going on. How does Vision A land (Columbia?) get on if 90% of the intelligentsia flees to Wakanda?

    I just don't see it. The cure would be worse than the disease. Disappearing everyone who disagrees with you is a pleasant fantasy but the reality is much more grim.

    Replies: @128, @anon, @AnotherDad, @Anonymousse, @MBlanc46

    The cure might be worse than the disease. But whatever happens is going to be ugly. Separation might well be the least ugly of the possibilities. And it’s worth mentioning that they want to disappear us at least as much as we want to disappear them.

  136. @eD
    Comparisons to 1960 and similar elections are cute, but this one is more comparable to 1876. And that did permanent damage in ushering in segregation and the two-party duopoly. Segregation stuck around until the 1960s, the two party duopoly is still with us, though it may be replaced by a corrupt one party state, which my in some ways be an improvement as it would be more honest.

    Nixon did not challenge the 1960 elections because, as other commentators noted, the Republicans were doing vote fabrication of their own, and Nixon liked Kennedy and had the two had few disagreements on politics. Nixon was in his early 40s and he knew he would get another chance. In 1968 he knew it was his last chance and fought dirtier.

    This one is on a much bigger scale, and since the Republican establishment also wants Trump out, the cheating is pretty much all on one side. This is really 1996 Russian election stuff we are dealing with.

    Replies: @peterike, @Redman, @MBlanc46

    The nation got racial segregation because almost all white Americans wanted racial segregation. And, except for the Era of Good Feelings and the odd third party movement (the Free Soilers, et al.), we’ve always had a duopoly.

  137. @Bill Jones
    I saw something on CBS where there was much ado about a white Republican who was caught trying to cast his dead mother's vote.

    Replies: @res

    I saw something on CBS where there was much ado about a white Republican who was caught trying to cast his dead mother’s vote.

    Part of anarcho-tyranny is coming down hard on any deplorable who has the gall to violate the law while ignoring more widespread and egregious violations by others.

    Get used to it.

  138. @Corvinus
    "In answer to your question about why the cities were taking so long to come in?"

    Because it depends upon how each state processes their votes, especially in this particular case, their mail in ballots, Mr. Sailer. Please do some NOTICING.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/battleground-states-process-mail-ballots-delayed-results/story?id=73717671

    "They don’t do it every election, just in close ones where a smidgen of additional votes are needed".

    So now is the time to put your pattern recognition to the test by providing specific case examples with analytical data that exactly shows how widespread, perpetual fraud is being committed in those areas you cited.

    Replies: @res

    shows how widespread, perpetual fraud is being committed in those areas you cited.

    No true voting fraud.

    You really like variations on the No True Scotsman fallacy. Or should I just call it a strawman (which it also is)?

  139. @DanHessinMD
    Steve and commenters:

    I really don't want to lose my head and become a crazy conspiracy theorist. But what can explain this:

    Absentee ballots have broken hard for Biden particularly where he needed it. Supposedly mail-in votes were 80-20 for Biden in Pennsylvania to reverse Trump's massive lead, but mail-in votes were close to 50-50 in Florida.

    How does this make any sense? The absentee gap was +57.7 for Biden two days after the election in Pennsylvania and then it actually increased to +60 for Biden. What? It was only +15 in neighboring Ohio where attitudes toward early voting are surely similar. Absentee ballots were almost even in Florida. It may be true that Biden voters were a little more likely to vote by mail but how can it be like this? Older Americans are the ones most likely to vote by mail, and they skew Republican.

    These absentee votes were counted in secret in Philadelphia, without Republican observers, who were barred from watching. Republicans had to repeatedly sue because they were being blocked from their legal right to be observers.

    https://twitter.com/yinonw/status/1324223988747304961

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmCWIKpUcAA_g44?format=jpg&name=large

    Since that tweet was written the gap has grown to 80-20.

    I really want to check myself here because I don't want to go all Alex Jones but is there any reason why absentee ballots would break in such an extreme way in Pennsylvania but not in Ohio or Florida?

    All the time that these tallies were coming in, Republicans were fighting in court to be allowed to be observers and Democrats were fighting in court on the other side, even as votes were being counted.

    What rational explanation is there for this? I am not asking why Democrats are were likely to vote by mail (I get that there is some difference due to COVID) but why PA was +60 Biden on absentee voting while Ohio was only +15 and Florida was even?

    Replies: @anon, @The Wild Geese Howard, @James Braxton

    Because they cheat.

  140. anon[197] • Disclaimer says:

    Corrupt Dems: “Count all ballots!”
    Americans: “Count all legit ballots”.

    US Supreme court:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/supreme-court-s-alito-tells-pennsylvania-counties-to-separate-late-ballots/ar-BB1aMe0i

    U.S. Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito on Friday night ordered county election boards in Pennsylvania to comply with a state directive to separate mail-in ballots received after 8 p.m. on Election Day from other ballots.

    The order came in a case pending before the justices to invalidate a September decision by the state’s highest court that allowed election officials to count mail-in ballots postmarked by Tuesday’s Election Day that are delivered through Friday. Alito granted the request by Pennsylvania Republicans to separate the ballots without first referring the request to the other justices.

  141. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    @Hugo Silva


    Don’t you have observers from both parties in each precinct controlling the vote counting?
     
    Not necessarily. In Michigan, Gretchen Whitmer forcibly removed GOP observers from offices in Detrot, citing COVID concerns. Meanwhile, the Democrat-controlled and immensely corrupt PA State Supreme Court ruled that the Trump campaign has no inherent right to observe counts in Philadelphia.

    The bigger problem is that our media is completely controlled by the enemies of the American people.

    Replies: @Redman, @ben tillman

    The bigger problem is that our media is completely controlled by the enemies of the American people.

    Exactly.

  142. @The Alarmist
    @Anonymous

    Gee, does a WikiPedia already have a page for Election Fraud 2020? All of the MSM are referring to Mr. Trump’s allegations of fraud as baseless and unfounded because, hey, “We in the MSM only deal in facts.” Since the science of US vote counting is settled, Mr. Trump’s allegations should already be noted in WikiPedia as being a myth too.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    All of the MSM are referring to Mr. Trump’s allegations of fraud as baseless and unfounded because, hey, “We in the MSM only deal in facts.”

    The AP says that the allegations of fraud are baseless. The AP’s allegations of baselessness are themselves baseless. Overt slanting of the news has massively increased over the last four years. So-called neutral news outlets like the AP and NBC now sound like Pravda.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Mr. Anon

    The AP says that the allegations of fraud are baseless.

    https://otterlover58.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/gaslighting.jpg

  143. From the BBC, four years ago:

    Vote rigging: How to spot the tell-tale signs

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-37243190

    A high turnout in specific areas

    Results that don’t match

    Delay in announcing results

    Anything sound familiar?

    (H/T Revolver News)

  144. @Anon
    After what happened in Florida in 2000, there should have been an attempt to professionalize and standardize the election processes everywhere.

    That said, given the relentless scrutiny of the process, it’s unlikely that any sort of large-scale rigging is taking place. The fact that each each state conducts its counts differently makes it less likely that someone found a loophole and is stuffing ballots.

    Before the election, we knew that R voters were less likely to take Covid seriously and to vote in person, D voters did and voted by mail. The fact that the count followed the expected pattern makes it less likely that this is a result of widespread fraud.

    And if they were to commit fraud, why leave Biden with a deadlocked Congress? And the results broadly reflect the polls, albeit in a way that favor Trump. If it were the other way around ,fraud would be more plausible.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Justvisiting

    That said, given the relentless scrutiny of the process, it’s unlikely that any sort of large-scale rigging is taking place.

    There is no relentless scrutiny when poll-watchers are prevented from coming within 30 feet of ballot counters, get prevented from coming in, or get ejected from ballot counting centers.

    • Agree: ben tillman
    • Replies: @Anon
    @Mr. Anon

    I thought the 30 feet rule was reduced by a judge, and had applied only to partisan observers (non-partisan observers were allowed closer).

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  145. @Anon

    Adept vote concoction is a traditional folk art practiced mostly in big cities with a Catholic political heritage from roughly Boston in the east to maybe Kansas City in the west. You’ll notice that in Arizona, the late vote count has mostly been favoring Trump.
     
    Tammany Hall was originally a corrupt political machine developed by old NYC WASPs and was anti-immigrant (mostly Irish and German at the time). In the mid-19th century when the large waves of Irish and other immigrants started coming in, it realized it could use immigrants as a dependable vote bank. Boss Tweed was Quaker.

    Replies: @Anon, @Reg Cæsar, @Reg Cæsar

    Boss Tweed was Quaker.

    In name only. A QuINO.

  146. @Anon

    Adept vote concoction is a traditional folk art practiced mostly in big cities with a Catholic political heritage from roughly Boston in the east to maybe Kansas City in the west. You’ll notice that in Arizona, the late vote count has mostly been favoring Trump.
     
    Tammany Hall was originally a corrupt political machine developed by old NYC WASPs and was anti-immigrant (mostly Irish and German at the time). In the mid-19th century when the large waves of Irish and other immigrants started coming in, it realized it could use immigrants as a dependable vote bank. Boss Tweed was Quaker.

    Replies: @Anon, @Reg Cæsar, @Reg Cæsar

    What you describe dovetails with the Democrats’ sudden embrace of blacks, for the same reasons.

    The only thing about the party that changed was the side it was on.

  147. @Mr. Anon
    @The Alarmist


    All of the MSM are referring to Mr. Trump’s allegations of fraud as baseless and unfounded because, hey, “We in the MSM only deal in facts.”
     
    The AP says that the allegations of fraud are baseless. The AP's allegations of baselessness are themselves baseless. Overt slanting of the news has massively increased over the last four years. So-called neutral news outlets like the AP and NBC now sound like Pravda.

    Replies: @anon

    The AP says that the allegations of fraud are baseless.

  148. @The Wild Geese Howard
    @BB753


    there’s not much that Trump can do, except a counter-coup.
     
    It doesn't look like there are enough white hats at any level of government to support a counter-coup.

    That's really bad.

    Replies: @BB753

    There are virtually no Trumpists in the government. Even Ivanka and Jared Kushner were on the other side, backstabbing Trump at every turn.
    “Kai sú, paidé? ” as Caesar said in the original Greek : “You too, child?”

  149. Another Dad offered a useful reform recently:

    have counties go in population order; big counties must report first before suburban, exurban, rural

    Cities come in classes, too, in many states. Michigan’s constitution gives privileges to cities over one million, for example. Detroit had to surrender those a few censuses ago.

    Milwaukee is a first class city– legally, that is. Madison could be, too, but chooses not to. Requiring cities to report in descending class order, then villages, then civil townships, would clean things up. Townships with a “hall” consisting of a shed or garage may be corrupt, too, but you’d have to unite hundreds in a conspiracy to make any difference.

    GOP legislators in these states, especially if they lose the White House, ought to consider inviting the Carter Center and/or UN observers to oversee their urban precinct elections in 2022 and 2024.

  150. @anon
    "Software glitch" in Michigan county put 6,000 Trump votes into the Biden column. Now it turns out Trump actually won that county by 2,000 votes.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/software-glitch-in-michigan-sent-6000-trump-votes-to-biden/ar-BB1aMk7c

    Election results in a county in Michigan had to be corrected to show that President Trump won by nearly 2,000 votes after voting software gave 6,000 of his votes to Biden.
     

    The glitch was noticed by local election officials in Antrim County on Wednesday after results showed that the former vice president won the county in the presidential race.
     

    Unofficials results now show that President Trump won the historically red county by just 2,000 votes, 9&10 News reports.
     
    47 other Michigan counties use the same software.

    Nothing to see here. Move along, citizen.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Ron Mexico

    Um, how would a “glitch” do something like that? How would anyone figure out there was a glitch? This story is bullshit. The vote count could have been screwed up, but it would have had to e done by a human.

  151. @Mr. Anon
    @Anon


    That said, given the relentless scrutiny of the process, it’s unlikely that any sort of large-scale rigging is taking place.
     
    There is no relentless scrutiny when poll-watchers are prevented from coming within 30 feet of ballot counters, get prevented from coming in, or get ejected from ballot counting centers.

    Replies: @Anon

    I thought the 30 feet rule was reduced by a judge, and had applied only to partisan observers (non-partisan observers were allowed closer).

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Anon


    I thought the 30 feet rule was reduced by a judge, and had applied only to partisan observers (non-partisan observers were allowed closer).
     
    And how many votes got through in the mean time.

    By the way, there is no such thing as a "non-partisan" observer. You think somebody goes to watch a ballot count just because they have some time to kill?

  152. @Peter Akuleyev
    @AnotherDad

    Chicago is of course irrelevant since no one is arguing Trump actually won Illinois (or NY or Boston). The case for Trump is arguing massive fraud in Atlanta, Phoenix and Minneapolis. Come on.

    Replies: @DPG

    Try Philly, Detroit and Milwaukee. You don’t make your points in good faith.

  153. The US’s future as North Brazil is arriving quicker and harder than I imagined.

  154. @anon
    "Software glitch" in Michigan county put 6,000 Trump votes into the Biden column. Now it turns out Trump actually won that county by 2,000 votes.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/software-glitch-in-michigan-sent-6000-trump-votes-to-biden/ar-BB1aMk7c

    Election results in a county in Michigan had to be corrected to show that President Trump won by nearly 2,000 votes after voting software gave 6,000 of his votes to Biden.
     

    The glitch was noticed by local election officials in Antrim County on Wednesday after results showed that the former vice president won the county in the presidential race.
     

    Unofficials results now show that President Trump won the historically red county by just 2,000 votes, 9&10 News reports.
     
    47 other Michigan counties use the same software.

    Nothing to see here. Move along, citizen.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Ron Mexico

    I think Antrim is the county where Whitmer’s hubby tried to get his boat out of docks violating his bitch’s EO.

  155. @res
    @Garlic

    I looked at the numbers for Detroit and Milwaukee. Discussed here and in following comments.
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/by-any-means-necessary-2/#comment-4265751

    It looks to me like the simple Benford's law violations are an artifact of the sizes of the wards/precincts.

    I do think there are some suspicious results from more sophisticated tests along those lines.

    Replies: @Garlic

    Thank you, Res. I hadn’t read your earlier comment that you linked to, or the follow up comments from yourself and others before. I have just read them now. They’re very high quality, and I recommend them to others to also read.

    A few further points:

    1) In the case of Detroit, I agree about the small sizes of the precincts being likely to distort a Benford’s Law analysis. That’s why I took the original small numbers and multiplied them each by a very large number (in this case, the total reported votes in Detroit) and then applied the Benford’s Law test to these larger numbers. This makes sense to me, but I’d be happy to get any thoughts as to why this may or may not be a valid approach.

    2) A funny thing I noticed in looking at the raw numbers is that many precincts have 0 votes for anyone. I assumed these were legitimate.

    3) On my earlier post, when I gave the URL for the original data source for Detroit votes, I see the end of it got cut off. The correct URL is:

    https://election-county-reports-prod112020.s3.amazonaws.com/4539283c-3f09-4fdf-ad93-0bfd82d32be1/c64f9ade-9049-43ef-ab73-3feebc7ef5f0/Results%20per%20Precinct%20Data%20report.pdf

    • Replies: @res
    @Garlic

    Thanks for your reply and for looking into this in depth.


    1) In the case of Detroit, I agree about the small sizes of the precincts being likely to distort a Benford’s Law analysis. That’s why I took the original small numbers and multiplied them each by a very large number (in this case, the total reported votes in Detroit) and then applied the Benford’s Law test to these larger numbers. This makes sense to me, but I’d be happy to get any thoughts as to why this may or may not be a valid approach.
     
    It's not the small size so much as the limited range. Because there are few precincts smaller than 4-500 voters the first digits are skewed heavily towards 4-9. 1 is made up for a bit because there are many precincts between 1 and 2 thousand voters, but not more.

    If that does not make sense, perhaps try looking at a histogram of the precinct sizes?

    2) A funny thing I noticed in looking at the raw numbers is that many precincts have 0 votes for anyone. I assumed these were legitimate.
     
    IIRC I only saw that for the AVCBs in Detroit.

    One thing which I think has been undercommented on is how in some places the unusual voting procedures have decoupled ballots from their precincts (e.g. I could have voted in a number of places this year) which makes oversight and assessing turnout more difficult. You can see this issue in the Detroit numbers.

    Replies: @Garlic

  156. @Peter Akuleyev
    @ic1000

    Point 1 is the important point. Trump has presented no evidence. Even worse he has been yelling about fraud since 2016 (when he thought he might need an excuse if he lost to Rodham) and in four years has never presented any evidence. Naturally no one takes him seriously any more. Trump has used “fraud! Fraud!” so many times, he is like the boy who cried wolf. It would be ironic if he were right this time, but again absolutely no evidence.

    Replies: @ic1000, @anon, @Authenticjazzman

    ” Naturally no one takes him seriously anymore”

    Bullshit: I take him seriously as does my entire family, so just go fuck yourself as fact is we are now enemies, basta.

    “No evidence” Nonsense: For any rational thinking person the other side showing up with 120000 votes all of a sudden with 100% for their candidate is evidence enough of fraud, of course not for crazy assholes such as yourself.

    AJM

  157. Anon[297] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dumbo
    Maybe Repuglycans should start cheating in elections too? Or plan a coup.
    I mean why not, at this point. It's a banana republic already anyway.

    Replies: @Thoughts, @Known Fact, @AnotherDad, @Anon

    The problem with a coup is that the leadership of the US military is extremely globalist ( mattis) and SJW,

    At one point Obama purged just about every right leaning general/admiral.

    https://redstate.com/stu-in-sd/2020/09/15/the-adverse-effects-of-obamas-eo-13583-and-fogo-purge-are-now-obvious-n254356

    https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/197-military-officers-purged-by-obama/

  158. @Anon
    @Mr. Anon

    I thought the 30 feet rule was reduced by a judge, and had applied only to partisan observers (non-partisan observers were allowed closer).

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    I thought the 30 feet rule was reduced by a judge, and had applied only to partisan observers (non-partisan observers were allowed closer).

    And how many votes got through in the mean time.

    By the way, there is no such thing as a “non-partisan” observer. You think somebody goes to watch a ballot count just because they have some time to kill?

  159. @Anon
    After what happened in Florida in 2000, there should have been an attempt to professionalize and standardize the election processes everywhere.

    That said, given the relentless scrutiny of the process, it’s unlikely that any sort of large-scale rigging is taking place. The fact that each each state conducts its counts differently makes it less likely that someone found a loophole and is stuffing ballots.

    Before the election, we knew that R voters were less likely to take Covid seriously and to vote in person, D voters did and voted by mail. The fact that the count followed the expected pattern makes it less likely that this is a result of widespread fraud.

    And if they were to commit fraud, why leave Biden with a deadlocked Congress? And the results broadly reflect the polls, albeit in a way that favor Trump. If it were the other way around ,fraud would be more plausible.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Justvisiting

    The fact that each each state conducts its counts differently makes it less likely that someone found a loophole

    The national “loophole” was mail in ballots.

    I should start paying my debts in Confederate currency. It is money, right? The companies can record it as cash on their balance sheets, and nobody would be the wiser!

  160. @Garlic
    @res

    Thank you, Res. I hadn’t read your earlier comment that you linked to, or the follow up comments from yourself and others before. I have just read them now. They’re very high quality, and I recommend them to others to also read.

    A few further points:

    1) In the case of Detroit, I agree about the small sizes of the precincts being likely to distort a Benford’s Law analysis. That’s why I took the original small numbers and multiplied them each by a very large number (in this case, the total reported votes in Detroit) and then applied the Benford’s Law test to these larger numbers. This makes sense to me, but I’d be happy to get any thoughts as to why this may or may not be a valid approach.

    2) A funny thing I noticed in looking at the raw numbers is that many precincts have 0 votes for anyone. I assumed these were legitimate.

    3) On my earlier post, when I gave the URL for the original data source for Detroit votes, I see the end of it got cut off. The correct URL is:

    https://election-county-reports-prod112020.s3.amazonaws.com/4539283c-3f09-4fdf-ad93-0bfd82d32be1/c64f9ade-9049-43ef-ab73-3feebc7ef5f0/Results%20per%20Precinct%20Data%20report.pdf

    Replies: @res

    Thanks for your reply and for looking into this in depth.

    1) In the case of Detroit, I agree about the small sizes of the precincts being likely to distort a Benford’s Law analysis. That’s why I took the original small numbers and multiplied them each by a very large number (in this case, the total reported votes in Detroit) and then applied the Benford’s Law test to these larger numbers. This makes sense to me, but I’d be happy to get any thoughts as to why this may or may not be a valid approach.

    It’s not the small size so much as the limited range. Because there are few precincts smaller than 4-500 voters the first digits are skewed heavily towards 4-9. 1 is made up for a bit because there are many precincts between 1 and 2 thousand voters, but not more.

    If that does not make sense, perhaps try looking at a histogram of the precinct sizes?

    2) A funny thing I noticed in looking at the raw numbers is that many precincts have 0 votes for anyone. I assumed these were legitimate.

    IIRC I only saw that for the AVCBs in Detroit.

    One thing which I think has been undercommented on is how in some places the unusual voting procedures have decoupled ballots from their precincts (e.g. I could have voted in a number of places this year) which makes oversight and assessing turnout more difficult. You can see this issue in the Detroit numbers.

    • Replies: @Garlic
    @res

    Thank you for the explanation about the issue being the limited range, rather than small absolute numbers.

    Since the first digit test is inappropriate in this case, I have gone back to my Detroit Biden vote data and tried a different test: looking at the last two digits. I excluded any precincts with less than 10 votes, leaving me with 620 precincts.

    Each two digit combination should represent 1% of the precincts, with significantly higher or lower percentages being suspicious.

    There are 12 two digit combinations that are more than 1.5%, representing 132 precincts and 49,877 votes.

    On the low end, there are 12 combinations less than 0.5%, representing 30 precincts and 8,197 votes.

    These high and lows added together are 24 combinations, 162 precincts, and 57,174 votes.

    The highest combinations are 01 at 2.42% (3,145 votes) and 22 (7,164 votes)

    Here are the precincts, with their votes:

    01

    City of Detroit AVCB 82 801
    City of Detroit AVCB 80 701
    City of Detroit Precinct 343 301
    City of Detroit Precinct 164 201
    City of Detroit Precinct 245 201
    City of Detroit Precinct 246 201
    City of Detroit Precinct 408 201
    City of Detroit Precinct 89 101
    City of Detroit Precinct 142 101
    City of Detroit Precinct 202 101
    City of Detroit Precinct 277 101
    City of Detroit Precinct 283 101
    City of Detroit Precinct 304 101
    City of Detroit Precinct 362 101
    City of Detroit Precinct 452 101

    22

    City of Detroit AVCB 28 2,222
    City of Detroit AVCB 11 2,022
    City of Detroit AVCB 41 1,722
    City of Detroit Precinct 177 222
    City of Detroit Precinct 215 222
    City of Detroit Precinct 281 222
    City of Detroit Precinct 120 122
    City of Detroit Precinct 252 122
    City of Detroit Precinct 420 122
    City of Detroit Precinct 500 122
    City of Detroit Precinct 490 22
    City of Detroit Precinct 503 22

    On my point about precincts with 0 votes for any candidate, there were 8 out of 637 precincts:

    City of Detroit AVCB 33
    City of Detroit AVCB 57
    City of Detroit AVCB 58
    City of Detroit Precinct 90
    City of Detroit Precinct 109
    City of Detroit Precinct 148
    City of Detroit Precinct 454
    City of Detroit Precinct 459

    Replies: @res

  161. @res
    @Garlic

    Thanks for your reply and for looking into this in depth.


    1) In the case of Detroit, I agree about the small sizes of the precincts being likely to distort a Benford’s Law analysis. That’s why I took the original small numbers and multiplied them each by a very large number (in this case, the total reported votes in Detroit) and then applied the Benford’s Law test to these larger numbers. This makes sense to me, but I’d be happy to get any thoughts as to why this may or may not be a valid approach.
     
    It's not the small size so much as the limited range. Because there are few precincts smaller than 4-500 voters the first digits are skewed heavily towards 4-9. 1 is made up for a bit because there are many precincts between 1 and 2 thousand voters, but not more.

    If that does not make sense, perhaps try looking at a histogram of the precinct sizes?

    2) A funny thing I noticed in looking at the raw numbers is that many precincts have 0 votes for anyone. I assumed these were legitimate.
     
    IIRC I only saw that for the AVCBs in Detroit.

    One thing which I think has been undercommented on is how in some places the unusual voting procedures have decoupled ballots from their precincts (e.g. I could have voted in a number of places this year) which makes oversight and assessing turnout more difficult. You can see this issue in the Detroit numbers.

    Replies: @Garlic

    Thank you for the explanation about the issue being the limited range, rather than small absolute numbers.

    Since the first digit test is inappropriate in this case, I have gone back to my Detroit Biden vote data and tried a different test: looking at the last two digits. I excluded any precincts with less than 10 votes, leaving me with 620 precincts.

    Each two digit combination should represent 1% of the precincts, with significantly higher or lower percentages being suspicious.

    There are 12 two digit combinations that are more than 1.5%, representing 132 precincts and 49,877 votes.

    On the low end, there are 12 combinations less than 0.5%, representing 30 precincts and 8,197 votes.

    These high and lows added together are 24 combinations, 162 precincts, and 57,174 votes.

    The highest combinations are 01 at 2.42% (3,145 votes) and 22 (7,164 votes)

    Here are the precincts, with their votes:

    01

    City of Detroit AVCB 82 801
    City of Detroit AVCB 80 701
    City of Detroit Precinct 343 301
    City of Detroit Precinct 164 201
    City of Detroit Precinct 245 201
    City of Detroit Precinct 246 201
    City of Detroit Precinct 408 201
    City of Detroit Precinct 89 101
    City of Detroit Precinct 142 101
    City of Detroit Precinct 202 101
    City of Detroit Precinct 277 101
    City of Detroit Precinct 283 101
    City of Detroit Precinct 304 101
    City of Detroit Precinct 362 101
    City of Detroit Precinct 452 101

    22

    City of Detroit AVCB 28 2,222
    City of Detroit AVCB 11 2,022
    City of Detroit AVCB 41 1,722
    City of Detroit Precinct 177 222
    City of Detroit Precinct 215 222
    City of Detroit Precinct 281 222
    City of Detroit Precinct 120 122
    City of Detroit Precinct 252 122
    City of Detroit Precinct 420 122
    City of Detroit Precinct 500 122
    City of Detroit Precinct 490 22
    City of Detroit Precinct 503 22

    On my point about precincts with 0 votes for any candidate, there were 8 out of 637 precincts:

    City of Detroit AVCB 33
    City of Detroit AVCB 57
    City of Detroit AVCB 58
    City of Detroit Precinct 90
    City of Detroit Precinct 109
    City of Detroit Precinct 148
    City of Detroit Precinct 454
    City of Detroit Precinct 459

    • Replies: @res
    @Garlic

    Looking at the Detroit numbers in a slightly different way (and without ignoring any precincts) in R I see. Below are frequency tables and chi-square tests for the last two digits.

    table(Detroit_2020_precincts$Registered %% 100)
    ##
    ## 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19
    ## 138 6 5 2 7 3 3 4 5 3 5 3 4 2 5 7 11 3 6 6
    ## 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39
    ## 7 3 3 6 8 3 5 4 6 6 4 2 4 3 8 3 2 7 3 7
    ## 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59
    ## 2 6 5 2 4 9 6 2 7 4 11 8 5 6 9 7 6 6 10 8
    ## 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79
    ## 5 4 2 6 3 4 6 6 7 5 4 3 2 8 3 4 5 6 6 8
    ## 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99
    ## 9 2 5 4 4 4 2 3 2 6 4 6 5 4 9 3 7 5 5 6

    chisq.test(table(Detroit_2020_precincts$Registered %% 100))
    ##
    ## Chi-squared test for given probabilities
    ##
    ## data: table(Detroit_2020_precincts$Registered%%100)
    ## X-squared = 2819.4, df = 99, p-value < 2.2e-16

    table(Detroit_2020_precincts$Trump %% 100)
    ##
    ## 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25
    ## 23 7 13 19 22 36 44 45 27 32 31 23 25 31 16 19 11 21 16 9 4 12 4 10 10 5
    ## 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 42 43 44 45 47 48 49 50 51 52 53
    ## 4 4 3 7 2 3 6 3 6 5 4 3 6 4 1 2 2 3 1 3 2 1 4 1 1 1
    ## 54 55 56 57 61 62 63 65 67 68 69 70 71 72 76 78 80 84 85 86 87 89 90 92 94 96
    ## 1 2 1 2 2 1 2 1 2 3 1 2 4 1 1 1 1 1 2 1 1 2 2 1 1 1
    ## 99
    ## 1

    chisq.test(table(Detroit_2020_precincts$Trump %% 100))
    ##
    ## Chi-squared test for given probabilities
    ##
    ## data: table(Detroit_2020_precincts$Trump%%100)
    ## X-squared = 1096.8, df = 78, p-value < 2.2e-16

    table(Detroit_2020_precincts$Biden %% 100)
    ##
    ## 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25
    ## 14 15 9 4 8 5 6 11 6 7 8 2 11 8 5 3 7 6 5 6 6 11 12 6 7 5
    ## 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51
    ## 10 5 4 4 3 3 6 8 1 4 4 4 4 2 8 6 6 5 8 8 7 10 4 3 5 2
    ## 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77
    ## 11 9 4 9 7 7 8 7 8 2 5 10 11 6 10 7 5 11 4 5 8 4 4 7 5 7
    ## 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99
    ## 10 5 8 5 6 6 5 6 6 4 7 4 9 3 9 7 3 5 4 7 4 6

    chisq.test(table(Detroit_2020_precincts$Biden %% 100))
    ##
    ## Chi-squared test for given probabilities
    ##
    ## data: table(Detroit_2020_precincts$Biden%%100)
    ## X-squared = 113.24, df = 99, p-value = 0.1554

    If I am interpreting that correctly we see that the Registered voters (because of excess 0's from AVCBs) and Trump voters (because of so few precincts over 20 and especially over 50) are not random.

    But the chi-square test for Biden voters indicates we can't reject the null hypothesis that the last two digits are equally distributed.

  162. @Garlic
    @res

    Thank you for the explanation about the issue being the limited range, rather than small absolute numbers.

    Since the first digit test is inappropriate in this case, I have gone back to my Detroit Biden vote data and tried a different test: looking at the last two digits. I excluded any precincts with less than 10 votes, leaving me with 620 precincts.

    Each two digit combination should represent 1% of the precincts, with significantly higher or lower percentages being suspicious.

    There are 12 two digit combinations that are more than 1.5%, representing 132 precincts and 49,877 votes.

    On the low end, there are 12 combinations less than 0.5%, representing 30 precincts and 8,197 votes.

    These high and lows added together are 24 combinations, 162 precincts, and 57,174 votes.

    The highest combinations are 01 at 2.42% (3,145 votes) and 22 (7,164 votes)

    Here are the precincts, with their votes:

    01

    City of Detroit AVCB 82 801
    City of Detroit AVCB 80 701
    City of Detroit Precinct 343 301
    City of Detroit Precinct 164 201
    City of Detroit Precinct 245 201
    City of Detroit Precinct 246 201
    City of Detroit Precinct 408 201
    City of Detroit Precinct 89 101
    City of Detroit Precinct 142 101
    City of Detroit Precinct 202 101
    City of Detroit Precinct 277 101
    City of Detroit Precinct 283 101
    City of Detroit Precinct 304 101
    City of Detroit Precinct 362 101
    City of Detroit Precinct 452 101

    22

    City of Detroit AVCB 28 2,222
    City of Detroit AVCB 11 2,022
    City of Detroit AVCB 41 1,722
    City of Detroit Precinct 177 222
    City of Detroit Precinct 215 222
    City of Detroit Precinct 281 222
    City of Detroit Precinct 120 122
    City of Detroit Precinct 252 122
    City of Detroit Precinct 420 122
    City of Detroit Precinct 500 122
    City of Detroit Precinct 490 22
    City of Detroit Precinct 503 22

    On my point about precincts with 0 votes for any candidate, there were 8 out of 637 precincts:

    City of Detroit AVCB 33
    City of Detroit AVCB 57
    City of Detroit AVCB 58
    City of Detroit Precinct 90
    City of Detroit Precinct 109
    City of Detroit Precinct 148
    City of Detroit Precinct 454
    City of Detroit Precinct 459

    Replies: @res

    Looking at the Detroit numbers in a slightly different way (and without ignoring any precincts) in R I see. Below are frequency tables and chi-square tests for the last two digits.

    table(Detroit_2020_precincts$Registered %% 100)
    ##
    ## 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19
    ## 138 6 5 2 7 3 3 4 5 3 5 3 4 2 5 7 11 3 6 6
    ## 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39
    ## 7 3 3 6 8 3 5 4 6 6 4 2 4 3 8 3 2 7 3 7
    ## 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59
    ## 2 6 5 2 4 9 6 2 7 4 11 8 5 6 9 7 6 6 10 8
    ## 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79
    ## 5 4 2 6 3 4 6 6 7 5 4 3 2 8 3 4 5 6 6 8
    ## 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99
    ## 9 2 5 4 4 4 2 3 2 6 4 6 5 4 9 3 7 5 5 6

    chisq.test(table(Detroit_2020_precincts$Registered %% 100))
    ##
    ## Chi-squared test for given probabilities
    ##
    ## data: table(Detroit_2020_precincts$Registered%%100)
    ## X-squared = 2819.4, df = 99, p-value < 2.2e-16

    table(Detroit_2020_precincts$Trump %% 100)
    ##
    ## 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25
    ## 23 7 13 19 22 36 44 45 27 32 31 23 25 31 16 19 11 21 16 9 4 12 4 10 10 5
    ## 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 42 43 44 45 47 48 49 50 51 52 53
    ## 4 4 3 7 2 3 6 3 6 5 4 3 6 4 1 2 2 3 1 3 2 1 4 1 1 1
    ## 54 55 56 57 61 62 63 65 67 68 69 70 71 72 76 78 80 84 85 86 87 89 90 92 94 96
    ## 1 2 1 2 2 1 2 1 2 3 1 2 4 1 1 1 1 1 2 1 1 2 2 1 1 1
    ## 99
    ## 1

    chisq.test(table(Detroit_2020_precincts$Trump %% 100))
    ##
    ## Chi-squared test for given probabilities
    ##
    ## data: table(Detroit_2020_precincts$Trump%%100)
    ## X-squared = 1096.8, df = 78, p-value < 2.2e-16

    table(Detroit_2020_precincts$Biden %% 100)
    ##
    ## 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25
    ## 14 15 9 4 8 5 6 11 6 7 8 2 11 8 5 3 7 6 5 6 6 11 12 6 7 5
    ## 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51
    ## 10 5 4 4 3 3 6 8 1 4 4 4 4 2 8 6 6 5 8 8 7 10 4 3 5 2
    ## 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77
    ## 11 9 4 9 7 7 8 7 8 2 5 10 11 6 10 7 5 11 4 5 8 4 4 7 5 7
    ## 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99
    ## 10 5 8 5 6 6 5 6 6 4 7 4 9 3 9 7 3 5 4 7 4 6

    chisq.test(table(Detroit_2020_precincts$Biden %% 100))
    ##
    ## Chi-squared test for given probabilities
    ##
    ## data: table(Detroit_2020_precincts$Biden%%100)
    ## X-squared = 113.24, df = 99, p-value = 0.1554

    If I am interpreting that correctly we see that the Registered voters (because of excess 0's from AVCBs) and Trump voters (because of so few precincts over 20 and especially over 50) are not random.

    But the chi-square test for Biden voters indicates we can't reject the null hypothesis that the last two digits are equally distributed.

    • Thanks: Garlic
  163. @Ali Choudhury
    Are there more recent examples than 1982? It's the same excuse making as the Dems with Facebook and Russian interference being responsible for 2016, although it's probably useful to rile up the rubes so both parties will keep alleging foul play. Trump lost by being less appealing to white men than he was in 2016.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @bomag, @Dumbo, @Polynikes, @fnn, @MBlanc46, @Sebastian Hawks

    “Are there more recent examples than 1982?”

    The theft of the Washington State Governor’s race in the 2000’s

    The Al Franken theft in the Senate race.

    The shenanigans in Florida in 2018

    There’s a long history of democrats keep doing recounts over and over “finding” more ballots until suddenly they are ahead, then no more recounts. In Minnesota they “found” 300 ballots in a trunk of a car. This is counter to the normal evidentiary process in such things as artwork and antiques. Could you imagine what they would say if you said you have found an unknown painting by Rembrandt and when asked to document the recorded history of the item you said it first appeared in the trunk of a car? No one would accept the authenticity of the item.

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