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You don’t hear much about the 1982 Illinois gubernatorial election vote count, both because it was hilariously crooked (which is something you are not supposed to think about) and it was extremely confusing. I think I’ve finally got a coherent story straight in my head, thanks to:

Where There’s Smoke, There’s Fire: 100,000 Stolen Votes in Chicago

April 16, 2008 37 min read, by Hans von Spakovsky

The 1982 election for governor of Illinois was between Republican incumbent Big Jim Thompson (Boys Town, Chicago) and aristocrat Democratic Senator Adlai Stevenson III. Thompson was up in all the polls, but the election turned out to be strangely close.

After a lengthy count, Thompson was up by only a couple of hundred votes. But then, remarkably, Republican DuPage County delivered some overlooked ballots, and the Republican had won by a little over 5,000 votes.

My recollection at the time watching the local news in Chicago, where I had just moved, was that this was a mirror image of reporter Theodore White’s tale in his autobiography of watching the famous 1960 presidential vote count with JFK’s fixers at Hyannisport. Illinois was basically tied between Kennedy and Nixon, until finally some downstate precincts came in and Nixon took the lead. White, a Kennedy partisan, was crushed, but JFK’s insiders were instead ecstatic. Those Republican wimp bosses, they explained to the naive White, couldn’t take the pressure and had laid their cards on the table first. So Mayor Daley now knew exactly how many votes his precincts had to deliver. JFK would be President.

What gets confusing in the 1982 story is that at this point, unlike Nixon in 1960, poor Adlai III was outraged by this palpable perfidy by the other party. So Stevenson demanded a recount and an investigation into vote fraud, apparently not grasping that the reason the final tally had been close in the first place was because of all the fast work by his Democratic operatives in Cook County.

Spakovsky reports:

Stevenson claimed there was evidence of voter fraud in areas of the state outside of Chicago. Although those claims “did not pan out,” it was clear that “the prospect of a close [judicial] look at the conduct of voting in Chicago did not please many of Chicago’s Democratic kingpins, already under pressure because of the federal [criminal] investigation of charges of vote fraud in the [1982] election.…” For that reason, “many committeemen privately had expressed a hope that Stevenson would lose his bid for a recount.”

The boys in the back rooms wanted Stevenson, whose great-grandfather had been Vice President, to ix-nay on all his calls for a full inquiry into voting irregularities. The recount controversy dragged on for months, with Stevenson finally conceding three days before Thompson was sworn in in January. But then the investigations went on for a long time.

The investigation proved a net disaster for Stevenson’s Democrats, with 63 Democratic workers in Cook County being convicted. (I have a vague memory of reading somewhere that 5 GOP staffers in DuPage County went down as well, but I’ve never been able to confirm that.)

Here’s some local color that turned up:

In its reporting, the Chicago Tribune discovered that the supposed home address of three voters in the 17th Precinct of the 27th Ward was a vacant lot. The paper also discovered that votes had been cast for seven residents of a nursing home who denied having voted-their signatures on the ballot applications were all forgeries. In fact, one resident had no fingers or thumbs with which to write a sig­nature.[12] The fraud was so blatant that the resident without fingers or thumbs “was counted as having voted twice by the end of the day.”[13] Not surpris­ingly, Stevenson easily won the 17th Precinct, by a margin of 282 to 30.

 
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  1. One wonders if the GOP simply fell asleep on this issue after blowout wins in 72, 80 & 84. You’d think they’d realize the DEM incentive to cheat is enormous given the level of cronyism in contracting & state jobs. Probably it speaks to a deeper level of denial in Conservatism Inc. – it is simply too disturbing to face up to the fact that the other party will cheat without remorse, and is not even practicing politics in good faith. Their concern for the common man and basic standards of decency were abandoned decades ago.
    Now all that remains: how can we deceive or bribe the rubes, and how can we conceal our electoral fraud?

    • Replies: @Perplexed
    @CrunchybutRealistCon

    On a tablet, so just going by memory here, but for a long time until now, Republicans were under a consent decree that prevented them from challenging election returns. When it was due to expire, the judge just kept rolling it over. He finally retired. This is the first time the Republicans have been able to wade in.

    Nobody mentions this, not media or, surprisingly, interested outsiders. Might make for a Sailer post.

    Replies: @Corn

    , @Bill
    @CrunchybutRealistCon

    You're assuming that the GOP hasn't gotten anything for this, that they are somehow incompetent. That's a really strange assumption given how extremely effective the GOP is at getting what they want. The top federal marginal tax rate has dropped from 90% to 20% (assuming one manages to recognize income as cap gains). That is a pretty amazing accomplishment.

    Low taxes for the wealthy, low wages for the wealthy's employees, and free reign of corruption on Wall St is what the GOP wants, and they get what they want.

    They just don't care about all this other stuff.

  2. The New York Times is literally channelling Axis propaganda. The difference is that the Axis was careful to be sexy.

    • Replies: @Simply Simon
    @J.Ross

    I read the same story in the Austin American-Statesman which has become an adjunct of the NYT concerning news reports, that and the Associated Press. Anyone who has served in the military knows how stupid this story really is, but that does not concern the NYT as it knows it will negatively impact the public in general and mothers in particular.

  3. All hail. Look at that sh*t-eating grin. Do you think he is an exemplary deterrent? No way.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Daniel H

    I remember when that expression was just an expression.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Daniel H

    Did he dye his shirt to match his hair, or vice versa?

  4. …the supposed home address of three voters in the 17th Precinct of the 27th Ward was a vacant lot.

    This might be plausible in San Diego or Miami, but in Chicago? In November?

    I can’t find it in the archives, but I’m pretty sure it was a Mr Boffo strip where a woman asks her lover post-coitally, “If you’re so rich, how come you live in a box in an alley?”

    • Replies: @JC1
    @Reg Cæsar

    He should have replied "that IS WHY I am so rich."

  5. Would investigations be able to find the fraud going on right now in Florida and elsewhere? We might as well assume it is happening, but can it be found this time?

  6. I worked a race for Alderman on the South Side of Chicago, and it was the most insane, openly corrupt election I have ever experienced. New York has nothing on Chicago.

    It was also a helluva lot of fun. My buddy, a Polish union guy who used to urinate on a Wallmart every day on the way home ( our opponent supported big box stores). We had street battles between our guys and their guys, with the union guy at one point jumping on the hood of a car that was pulling down our signs. each campaign sent multiple spies to volunteer, our union guys hassled guys working for them, our trash wouldn’t get collected.

    Alderman in Chicago control municipal services, so our cars were getting towed constantly ( they had two tow trucks idling at 6:59 on election day waiting to tow our vans at 7 when they would be illegally parked.) There were guys at the poll sites with baseball bats, and several scuffles. Our opponent arrived at his own poll site wearing a full length fur coat.

    We got to a runoff against the incumbent, something that should never have happened. Then Daley dumped something like 30 grand in our opponent’s coffers, and we were toast.

    I heard stories about the Balanoff family I just can’t repeat. Not to mention Jesse Jackson Jr.

    Chicago politics man, it’s the Wild West.

    • Replies: @slumber_j
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    That's awesome.

    I grew up in Du Page County literally one block from Cook County in Hinsdale, Illinois, which straddles the county line. I remember that because I lived a block away from the imaginatively named County Line Road, on Oak Street.

    My maternal ancestors in that area were the original suckers in all the Chicago shenanigans: teetotal evangelical Congregational puritans from New England who could never understand why there wasn't more of a fuss about the obvious bad behavior going on all around them. Fat lot of good it did 'em.

    Well, at least they managed to get Prohibition, for a while. Not that that was a good idea, but I suppose one does what one can.

    For what it's worth, I also spent significant time at the Kennedys' houses in Hyannis Port a long time ago. The world is a strange place, and our place in it is even stranger I find.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    , @Anonymous
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    From what I heard of it from all my mill-hunky relatives, Chicago graft, corruption and cheating are done a certain way in Chicago, by their standards they have style. I suspect that the City of Chicago and Cook County are the most corrupt polities in America, but statewide, Illinois is only as corrupt as domination by Cook County and Chicago (plus a little out of the areas around St. Louis maybe) make it. Overall, New Jersey has to be the corruptest state, by far.

    I'm sure Louisiana and Arkansas are plenty corrupt too, but they aren't dealing in the sums w are talking in Chicago and NJ.

  7. • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Reg Cæsar

    We can be sure help will materialize $omehow.

    She's not the first with this problem. I remember a telephone lineman, a Republican from Texas I believe, who got elected to the House in the 1990s and slept on a cot in his office for a while.

    Replies: @Corn, @PV van der Byl

    , @Redneck farmer
    @Reg Cæsar

    Don't worry Reg, a group of concerned Wall Street Democrats will come to her rescue. And she'll learn why actually raising taxes on these concerned citizens (reducing the maximum deduction for state and local to $10,000, say) is a bad idea.
    I guess burnishing her populist credentials by sleeping in her office, like my congressman, is out of the question.

    , @Steve Sailer
    @Reg Cæsar

    Congresswoman Ocasio-Cortez needs a rich husband.

    Replies: @Tyrion 2, @Reg Cæsar

    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    @Reg Cæsar

    If Ms. O-C actually owns the designer fashions in which she campaigned, then selling them to an up-scale used clothing store should finance her entire two-year stay inside the Beltway. If not, then the sugar-daddy(daddies) who provided her wardrobe should be more than willing to cough up the pesos that will support our newest "wise Latina" socialist in the manner to which she is (or has become) accustomed.

    , @sayless
    @Reg Cæsar

    Ocasio-Cortez is entertaining. She deserves a dedicated blog on her adventures in D.C. Puerto Rican Valley Girl From Westchester Enters The Arena. Even Alcee Hastings finds her annoying.

    , @Bill Jones
    @Reg Cæsar

    There's a world of promise in the final word of the link
    "can't afford DC apartment YET"

    That'll change in a hurry.

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @Reg Cæsar

    Complete BS. Congress critters make at least $150k.

    You can rent a 1 bedroom all day long in N VA (Crystal City) for about $2k month which is $24k a year.

    This from a stupid b**** who poses in $4k of clothes and then opines on the glories of socialism.

    More and more, I am with the Derb - We are doomed.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous

  8. But Steve, NPR assures us vote fraud almost never happens! National Demo-er, Public Radio would never lie to us!

  9. @Reg Cæsar
    One danger with elections is that you might win:



    She Won a Historic Election. Now, a Problem
    Ocasio-Cortez, youngest woman elected to Congress, can't afford DC apartment yet

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Redneck farmer, @Steve Sailer, @Jus' Sayin'..., @sayless, @Bill Jones, @Jim Don Bob

    We can be sure help will materialize $omehow.

    She’s not the first with this problem. I remember a telephone lineman, a Republican from Texas I believe, who got elected to the House in the 1990s and slept on a cot in his office for a while.

    • Replies: @Corn
    @Buzz Mohawk

    It’s also not uncommon for Representatives to room together to save money. In fact I think back in the 90s some of John Kasich’s foes started a whispering campaign that he was gay with one of his roommates.

    I think at some point in the 90s or 00s the Speaker actually banned Reps from sleeping overnight in their offices. Not a new problem.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @PV van der Byl
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Buzz, you are probably thinking of former Congressman Steve Stockman(R-TX), who was homeless for a part of his adult life. Eventually he was convicted of using both charitable and political campaign donations for personal use and sentenced to ten years in prison.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Stockman

    Maybe Ocasio-Cortez will wind up there, too.

  10. @Reg Cæsar
    One danger with elections is that you might win:



    She Won a Historic Election. Now, a Problem
    Ocasio-Cortez, youngest woman elected to Congress, can't afford DC apartment yet

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Redneck farmer, @Steve Sailer, @Jus' Sayin'..., @sayless, @Bill Jones, @Jim Don Bob

    Don’t worry Reg, a group of concerned Wall Street Democrats will come to her rescue. And she’ll learn why actually raising taxes on these concerned citizens (reducing the maximum deduction for state and local to $10,000, say) is a bad idea.
    I guess burnishing her populist credentials by sleeping in her office, like my congressman, is out of the question.

  11. 4chan is locating dead people registered and eligible to vote in Broward County.
    http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/193019161
    https://postimg.cc/YvkSmJ4x
    Why is the government not already doing this? Does it have anything to do with election supervisors who have a criminal record for throwing elections?
    1.Pick a random birthdate, preferably 80+ years ago.

    2.Search for active voters in Florida

    3. Look up the person + the word “obituary” to find out if they’re actually dead

    4. Search on Florida’s database to verify that they’re “active”. Note – you’re listed as inactive if you don’t vote for 2 elections in Florida

    5. Post results, but blur out full addresses so the mods don’t get bent out of shape (even though these people are dead)

    Here’s a jumping off point, but feel free to pick a different date:

    http://sortedbybirthdate.com/pages/19310827.html

    FL voter website:
    https://registration.elections.myflorida.com/en/CheckVoterStatus

  12. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    I worked a race for Alderman on the South Side of Chicago, and it was the most insane, openly corrupt election I have ever experienced. New York has nothing on Chicago.

    It was also a helluva lot of fun. My buddy, a Polish union guy who used to urinate on a Wallmart every day on the way home ( our opponent supported big box stores). We had street battles between our guys and their guys, with the union guy at one point jumping on the hood of a car that was pulling down our signs. each campaign sent multiple spies to volunteer, our union guys hassled guys working for them, our trash wouldn't get collected.

    Alderman in Chicago control municipal services, so our cars were getting towed constantly ( they had two tow trucks idling at 6:59 on election day waiting to tow our vans at 7 when they would be illegally parked.) There were guys at the poll sites with baseball bats, and several scuffles. Our opponent arrived at his own poll site wearing a full length fur coat.

    We got to a runoff against the incumbent, something that should never have happened. Then Daley dumped something like 30 grand in our opponent's coffers, and we were toast.

    I heard stories about the Balanoff family I just can't repeat. Not to mention Jesse Jackson Jr.

    Chicago politics man, it's the Wild West.

    Replies: @slumber_j, @Anonymous

    That’s awesome.

    I grew up in Du Page County literally one block from Cook County in Hinsdale, Illinois, which straddles the county line. I remember that because I lived a block away from the imaginatively named County Line Road, on Oak Street.

    My maternal ancestors in that area were the original suckers in all the Chicago shenanigans: teetotal evangelical Congregational puritans from New England who could never understand why there wasn’t more of a fuss about the obvious bad behavior going on all around them. Fat lot of good it did ’em.

    Well, at least they managed to get Prohibition, for a while. Not that that was a good idea, but I suppose one does what one can.

    For what it’s worth, I also spent significant time at the Kennedys’ houses in Hyannis Port a long time ago. The world is a strange place, and our place in it is even stranger I find.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @slumber_j


    ... who could never understand why there wasn’t more of a fuss about the obvious bad behavior going on all around them.
     
    Some of us are feeling that way now.

    At her job in a nearby city, my wife is surrounded by corruption, favoritism, nepotism and waste -- all out in the open. I hear the stories, and all I can think is how much of this stuff must be going on all over the country, and why nothing is done about it.

    Replies: @El Dato

  13. @slumber_j
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    That's awesome.

    I grew up in Du Page County literally one block from Cook County in Hinsdale, Illinois, which straddles the county line. I remember that because I lived a block away from the imaginatively named County Line Road, on Oak Street.

    My maternal ancestors in that area were the original suckers in all the Chicago shenanigans: teetotal evangelical Congregational puritans from New England who could never understand why there wasn't more of a fuss about the obvious bad behavior going on all around them. Fat lot of good it did 'em.

    Well, at least they managed to get Prohibition, for a while. Not that that was a good idea, but I suppose one does what one can.

    For what it's worth, I also spent significant time at the Kennedys' houses in Hyannis Port a long time ago. The world is a strange place, and our place in it is even stranger I find.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    … who could never understand why there wasn’t more of a fuss about the obvious bad behavior going on all around them.

    Some of us are feeling that way now.

    At her job in a nearby city, my wife is surrounded by corruption, favoritism, nepotism and waste — all out in the open. I hear the stories, and all I can think is how much of this stuff must be going on all over the country, and why nothing is done about it.

    • Agree: slumber_j, bomag
    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Game Theory says everyone has an interest continuing the status quo.

    Those that don't like it don't have a disinterest large enough to do something about it.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

  14. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ghost of Bull Moose
    I worked a race for Alderman on the South Side of Chicago, and it was the most insane, openly corrupt election I have ever experienced. New York has nothing on Chicago.

    It was also a helluva lot of fun. My buddy, a Polish union guy who used to urinate on a Wallmart every day on the way home ( our opponent supported big box stores). We had street battles between our guys and their guys, with the union guy at one point jumping on the hood of a car that was pulling down our signs. each campaign sent multiple spies to volunteer, our union guys hassled guys working for them, our trash wouldn't get collected.

    Alderman in Chicago control municipal services, so our cars were getting towed constantly ( they had two tow trucks idling at 6:59 on election day waiting to tow our vans at 7 when they would be illegally parked.) There were guys at the poll sites with baseball bats, and several scuffles. Our opponent arrived at his own poll site wearing a full length fur coat.

    We got to a runoff against the incumbent, something that should never have happened. Then Daley dumped something like 30 grand in our opponent's coffers, and we were toast.

    I heard stories about the Balanoff family I just can't repeat. Not to mention Jesse Jackson Jr.

    Chicago politics man, it's the Wild West.

    Replies: @slumber_j, @Anonymous

    From what I heard of it from all my mill-hunky relatives, Chicago graft, corruption and cheating are done a certain way in Chicago, by their standards they have style. I suspect that the City of Chicago and Cook County are the most corrupt polities in America, but statewide, Illinois is only as corrupt as domination by Cook County and Chicago (plus a little out of the areas around St. Louis maybe) make it. Overall, New Jersey has to be the corruptest state, by far.

    I’m sure Louisiana and Arkansas are plenty corrupt too, but they aren’t dealing in the sums w are talking in Chicago and NJ.

  15. • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    @Anon

    Anon[425]:

    After all these years, Brian Lamb is still the absolute best interlocutor on national media.

    Question
    : How come C Span, a quasi government entity, did not go the way of PBS and others in being just another liberalism fan club?

    Answer: Brian Lamb!

    PS: And thanks for sharing the video with the UR.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  16. Places like Broward County are where the next gen of Chicago and New York party bosses end up.

    • Replies: @fnn
    @The Alarmist

    Long-time Chicago ward boss Ed Quigley retired from Chicago politics after 51 years, but then continued his political career in Broward County, Florida:
    https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1988-10-28-8802110133-story.html


    Scandal regularly swirled around him, including frequent allegations of vote fraud against his precinct workers-some of whom were convicted-but Mr. Quigley was never prosecuted.

    He continued in politics after he moved to Florida about five years ago.

    ''Politics was in his blood,'' said former Ald. Thomas Keane (31th). ''He went back into politics down in the Hallandale area and became a big Democratic leader.''

    Keane said Mr. Quigley died at home after attending a political affair in Florida with Keane`s former driver, ''Big John'' Kardzoniak, and their wives. Mr. Quigley became chief of the city`s sewer system in 1963.
     
    I'd bet that current Chicago Congressman Mike Quigley is related to him, but I can't find any info on that.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

  17. @Reg Cæsar
    One danger with elections is that you might win:



    She Won a Historic Election. Now, a Problem
    Ocasio-Cortez, youngest woman elected to Congress, can't afford DC apartment yet

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Redneck farmer, @Steve Sailer, @Jus' Sayin'..., @sayless, @Bill Jones, @Jim Don Bob

    Congresswoman Ocasio-Cortez needs a rich husband.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    @Steve Sailer

    Beto knows what he's doing. Still, isn't there a vibrant neighbourhood in DC where Ms Cortes might find reasonably priced accomodation? Added bonus, no hideously white neighbours to be make her feel unwelcome.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Steve Sailer


    Congresswoman Ocasio-Cortez needs a rich husband.
     
    Or wife.

    New York didn't adopt no-fault divorce until 2010-- then enacted same-sex marriage in 2011. The same trajectory took California 48 years.
  18. @Buzz Mohawk
    @slumber_j


    ... who could never understand why there wasn’t more of a fuss about the obvious bad behavior going on all around them.
     
    Some of us are feeling that way now.

    At her job in a nearby city, my wife is surrounded by corruption, favoritism, nepotism and waste -- all out in the open. I hear the stories, and all I can think is how much of this stuff must be going on all over the country, and why nothing is done about it.

    Replies: @El Dato

    Game Theory says everyone has an interest continuing the status quo.

    Those that don’t like it don’t have a disinterest large enough to do something about it.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @El Dato

    Game Theory says everyone has an interest continuing the status quo.

    Those that don’t like it don’t have a disinterest large enough to do something about it.


    Not really Game Theory. Concentrated benefits and diffuse costs have been the bane of good government forever.

  19. OT:

    On Armistice Day, 11-11:

    Day X: Germany’s far-right commandos reportedly plotted to kill top politicians when order ‘falls’

    Innawoods with AKM is not for amateurs anymore.

    German police have reportedly uncovered a clandestine far-right network which allegedly had “concrete plans” for what they called “Day X” – the moment when Germany’s civil order would collapse, Focus magazine reported. The harrowing plan included bringing “unwanted” political figures to a remote place and killing them en masse.

    The far-right underground network is said to include members of the KSK, the German army’s elite special operations unit, along with military and law enforcement veterans. Thoroughly preparing for “Day X,” they had already created secret weapons and ammunition depots, as well as fuel stores.

    • Replies: @donut
    @El Dato

    Any political figure that the German Army is plotting against is in no danger whatsoever .

    , @Anonymous
    @El Dato

    That would just provoke a NATO invasion of the country. The Russians might join in as well.

    , @J.Ross
    @El Dato

    Are they talking about the Grey Wolves, the Turkish gang known to have infiltrated German police? No, still Nazi hunting.

    Replies: @Anon

  20. @Steve Sailer
    @Reg Cæsar

    Congresswoman Ocasio-Cortez needs a rich husband.

    Replies: @Tyrion 2, @Reg Cæsar

    Beto knows what he’s doing. Still, isn’t there a vibrant neighbourhood in DC where Ms Cortes might find reasonably priced accomodation? Added bonus, no hideously white neighbours to be make her feel unwelcome.

  21. It is getting close to the time when Trump needs to have the Mother of All Rallies, in DC, and show the administrative state how the land lies.

    First, he needs to get them dead to rights wrong. That is clear and undeniable proof of malfeasance, and then not let it go.

  22. El Dato quoted from RT:

    The far-right underground network is said to include members of the KSK, the German army’s elite special operations unit, along with military and law enforcement veterans.

    My guess is that it will turn out to be a bunch of young fools play-acting at being revolutionaries (and, more importantly, an excuse by the German Establishment to crack down on free-speech rights of sincere dissidents).

    But, given the history of the last hundred years, it’s easy to see why it makes the Russians more than a bit nervous!

  23. @El Dato
    OT:

    On Armistice Day, 11-11:

    Day X: Germany's far-right commandos reportedly plotted to kill top politicians when order 'falls'

    Innawoods with AKM is not for amateurs anymore.


    German police have reportedly uncovered a clandestine far-right network which allegedly had "concrete plans" for what they called "Day X" – the moment when Germany's civil order would collapse, Focus magazine reported. The harrowing plan included bringing "unwanted" political figures to a remote place and killing them en masse.

    The far-right underground network is said to include members of the KSK, the German army's elite special operations unit, along with military and law enforcement veterans. Thoroughly preparing for "Day X," they had already created secret weapons and ammunition depots, as well as fuel stores.
     

    Replies: @donut, @Anonymous, @J.Ross

    Any political figure that the German Army is plotting against is in no danger whatsoever .

  24. Here is a 2012 profile of Hans von Spakovsky by leading Establishment journalist Jane Mayer in the New Yorker.

    The Voter-Fraud Myth: The man who has stoked fear about impostors at the polls.

    38 — # of paragraphs describing Republican voter-suppression efforts and/or debunking claims that Democrats cheat by voter-fraud or otherwise

    5 — # of paragraphs acknowledging that some people might have tried to engage in voter-fraud, though probably to no great effect (and incompetence rather than ill intent is typically why it happens)

    9 — # of paragraphs on other topics (including sneers directed towards von Spakovsky)

    Our Mainstream Media.

    • Replies: @Prester John
    @ic1000

    Note the author, Jane Mayer.

    I mean--JANE MAYER???

    Need we say more?

  25. @The Alarmist
    Places like Broward County are where the next gen of Chicago and New York party bosses end up.

    Replies: @fnn

    Long-time Chicago ward boss Ed Quigley retired from Chicago politics after 51 years, but then continued his political career in Broward County, Florida:
    https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1988-10-28-8802110133-story.html

    Scandal regularly swirled around him, including frequent allegations of vote fraud against his precinct workers-some of whom were convicted-but Mr. Quigley was never prosecuted.

    He continued in politics after he moved to Florida about five years ago.

    ”Politics was in his blood,” said former Ald. Thomas Keane (31th). ”He went back into politics down in the Hallandale area and became a big Democratic leader.”

    Keane said Mr. Quigley died at home after attending a political affair in Florida with Keane`s former driver, ”Big John” Kardzoniak, and their wives. Mr. Quigley became chief of the city`s sewer system in 1963.

    I’d bet that current Chicago Congressman Mike Quigley is related to him, but I can’t find any info on that.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @fnn

    Does that make him the Yoda of the Dark Side?

  26. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Reg Cæsar

    We can be sure help will materialize $omehow.

    She's not the first with this problem. I remember a telephone lineman, a Republican from Texas I believe, who got elected to the House in the 1990s and slept on a cot in his office for a while.

    Replies: @Corn, @PV van der Byl

    It’s also not uncommon for Representatives to room together to save money. In fact I think back in the 90s some of John Kasich’s foes started a whispering campaign that he was gay with one of his roommates.

    I think at some point in the 90s or 00s the Speaker actually banned Reps from sleeping overnight in their offices. Not a new problem.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Corn


    I think at some point in the 90s or 00s the Speaker actually banned Reps from sleeping overnight in their offices. Not a new problem.
     
    A possible solution, though they do have a three- or four-day limit. But then you can come back again. A short walk to Capitol Hill, too.


    https://www.hiusa.org/hostels/district-of-columbia/washington-dc/washington-dc


    https://s-ec.bstatic.com/images/hotel/max1024x768/165/16582999.jpg

    https://t-ec.bstatic.com/images/hotel/max1024x768/851/85178935.jpg

  27. @Reg Cæsar
    One danger with elections is that you might win:



    She Won a Historic Election. Now, a Problem
    Ocasio-Cortez, youngest woman elected to Congress, can't afford DC apartment yet

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Redneck farmer, @Steve Sailer, @Jus' Sayin'..., @sayless, @Bill Jones, @Jim Don Bob

    If Ms. O-C actually owns the designer fashions in which she campaigned, then selling them to an up-scale used clothing store should finance her entire two-year stay inside the Beltway. If not, then the sugar-daddy(daddies) who provided her wardrobe should be more than willing to cough up the pesos that will support our newest “wise Latina” socialist in the manner to which she is (or has become) accustomed.

  28. The phrase “Crook County”–like (on the individual level) “Slick Willie”–didn’t come out of thin air. It’s what happens when you have what’s in essence a one-party system. And it’s not limited to the Bolsh…, er, I mean “Democrat” Party. For years Nassau County in Long Island was owned by the Republican Party. Same shit/different party.

  29. @ic1000
    Here is a 2012 profile of Hans von Spakovsky by leading Establishment journalist Jane Mayer in the New Yorker.

    The Voter-Fraud Myth: The man who has stoked fear about impostors at the polls.

    38 -- # of paragraphs describing Republican voter-suppression efforts and/or debunking claims that Democrats cheat by voter-fraud or otherwise

    5 -- # of paragraphs acknowledging that some people might have tried to engage in voter-fraud, though probably to no great effect (and incompetence rather than ill intent is typically why it happens)

    9 -- # of paragraphs on other topics (including sneers directed towards von Spakovsky)

    Our Mainstream Media.

    Replies: @Prester John

    Note the author, Jane Mayer.

    I mean–JANE MAYER???

    Need we say more?

  30. If the GOP doesn’t try to win back the suburbs by reining in Trump’s disgraceful language and tweeting then they’re dead as a party.

    The Sailer Strategy isn’t sustainable if your bleeding suburban college whites.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Bart

    It’s not the tweets.

    It’s that most of those college degrees are nearly worthless if Trump is right.

    And he is.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Bart


    If the GOP doesn’t try to win back the suburbs by reining in Trump’s disgraceful language and tweeting then they’re dead as a party.

    The Sailer Strategy isn’t sustainable if your bleeding suburban college whites.
     

    It's only disgraceful if you're insulated. Otherwise, it's a rough description of the truth.

    What's truly disgraceful is insulating your self from the same problems you're foisting upon others.

    , @J.Ross
    @Bart

    The Sailer Strategy isn’t sustainable if you're bleeding suburban college whites.

    The Sailer Strategy is white people realizing that reality is real. Teenagers with maroon belts in navel gazing have not yet found reality but will.

  31. Off topic but related

    Exit poll results by demographic variable

    White
    R 54%
    D 44%

    Black
    R 9%
    D 90% (so much for all the Blexit talk)

    Hispanic
    R 69%
    D 29%

    Asian
    R 23%
    D 77% (What is going on here??)

    Variety of charts can be found here: https://www.cnn.com/election/2018/exit-polls/national-results

    • Replies: @Corn
    @Perspective

    Assuming these polls are accurate, whites voted 54% GOP. Didn’t they vote 58-60% GOP in 2012 and 2016?

    So why did the GOP number drop to 54%? Whites moving left? Conservative whites staying home, disillusioned by the lack of a wall? Or as Precious suggested in another thread, is Trump still popular but conservatives just didn’t want to vote for an Establishment GOP?

    Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...

  32. Anon[147] • Disclaimer says:

    We need to crack down once and for all on Democratic Party ballot stuffing. It’s been going on ever since the beginning of the Democratic party in Jefferson’s time. Tammany Hall was incorporated in 1789 as an organization geared solely towards stealing elections, and they trained every budding Democratic party organization in every state of the country in every method of vote stealing known to mankind. The Democratic party in every major city is corrupt and has been corrupt for many, many generations. Democratic party officials in every big city have been stealing the public’s money and rigging elections for over 200 years.

    Everybody knows this. Democratic Party corruption in big cities is so well-known that’s a joke. People just dismiss it with a shrug and a laugh. Yet this corruption has made our big cities a hotbed of crime, forced out the middle class, and made our cities financial wrecks that struggle to pay for basic city services and who can’t make their own pension payments. Our Republican DOJ needs to assign to every big Democratic city a batch of permanent special prosecutors whose sole job is to weed out corruption, because the big city Democratic party organizations won’t stop generating and protecting crime and corruption.

    Suburbs and rural areas run things in a far less corrupt way and are much more liveable. Making better cities is POSSIBLE TO DO. The only thing that’s lacking is the will to clean big cities up.

    The Democratic party is one big chain of ingrained corruption that needs to be broken for the good of society, exactly like breaking the Mafia. Our society will never be what it can be unless we destroy Democratic corruption from the top down.

  33. @CrunchybutRealistCon
    One wonders if the GOP simply fell asleep on this issue after blowout wins in 72, 80 & 84. You'd think they'd realize the DEM incentive to cheat is enormous given the level of cronyism in contracting & state jobs. Probably it speaks to a deeper level of denial in Conservatism Inc. - it is simply too disturbing to face up to the fact that the other party will cheat without remorse, and is not even practicing politics in good faith. Their concern for the common man and basic standards of decency were abandoned decades ago.
    Now all that remains: how can we deceive or bribe the rubes, and how can we conceal our electoral fraud?

    Replies: @Perplexed, @Bill

    On a tablet, so just going by memory here, but for a long time until now, Republicans were under a consent decree that prevented them from challenging election returns. When it was due to expire, the judge just kept rolling it over. He finally retired. This is the first time the Republicans have been able to wade in.

    Nobody mentions this, not media or, surprisingly, interested outsiders. Might make for a Sailer post.

    • Replies: @Corn
    @Perplexed

    I’ve heard of this before. If I recall correctly this came about in the 1980s. There was a contested election in Indiana or North Carolina for the House and I think as part of a compromise the Dems allowed the GOP to seat their guy as long as they agreed not to contest more House elections in the future. Something like that. My memory is hazy too.

    Replies: @CrunchybutRealistCon

  34. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Reg Cæsar

    We can be sure help will materialize $omehow.

    She's not the first with this problem. I remember a telephone lineman, a Republican from Texas I believe, who got elected to the House in the 1990s and slept on a cot in his office for a while.

    Replies: @Corn, @PV van der Byl

    Buzz, you are probably thinking of former Congressman Steve Stockman(R-TX), who was homeless for a part of his adult life. Eventually he was convicted of using both charitable and political campaign donations for personal use and sentenced to ten years in prison.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Stockman

    Maybe Ocasio-Cortez will wind up there, too.

  35. @Perplexed
    @CrunchybutRealistCon

    On a tablet, so just going by memory here, but for a long time until now, Republicans were under a consent decree that prevented them from challenging election returns. When it was due to expire, the judge just kept rolling it over. He finally retired. This is the first time the Republicans have been able to wade in.

    Nobody mentions this, not media or, surprisingly, interested outsiders. Might make for a Sailer post.

    Replies: @Corn

    I’ve heard of this before. If I recall correctly this came about in the 1980s. There was a contested election in Indiana or North Carolina for the House and I think as part of a compromise the Dems allowed the GOP to seat their guy as long as they agreed not to contest more House elections in the future. Something like that. My memory is hazy too.

    • Replies: @CrunchybutRealistCon
    @Corn

    1984 election, McCloskey over McIntyre in IN-8. Decided by 4 Votes after many Recounts, Counter-Recounts.
    It was scorched earth cause the the DEM majority in Congress voted to resolve the election by send a Task Force to IN to render final judgement. Should have been a wake up call to make elections both simpler and more secure.

  36. @Bart
    If the GOP doesn't try to win back the suburbs by reining in Trump's disgraceful language and tweeting then they're dead as a party.

    The Sailer Strategy isn't sustainable if your bleeding suburban college whites.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Reg Cæsar, @J.Ross

    It’s not the tweets.

    It’s that most of those college degrees are nearly worthless if Trump is right.

    And he is.

  37. @Perspective
    Off topic but related

    Exit poll results by demographic variable

    White
    R 54%
    D 44%

    Black
    R 9%
    D 90% (so much for all the Blexit talk)

    Hispanic
    R 69%
    D 29%

    Asian
    R 23%
    D 77% (What is going on here??)

    Variety of charts can be found here: https://www.cnn.com/election/2018/exit-polls/national-results

    Replies: @Corn

    Assuming these polls are accurate, whites voted 54% GOP. Didn’t they vote 58-60% GOP in 2012 and 2016?

    So why did the GOP number drop to 54%? Whites moving left? Conservative whites staying home, disillusioned by the lack of a wall? Or as Precious suggested in another thread, is Trump still popular but conservatives just didn’t want to vote for an Establishment GOP?

    • Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...
    @Corn

    Listening to NPR tonight, one of their clueless prog commentators made the point that all the stoopid party reps who were up for re-election and supported a compromise with the dimocrats on DACA lost. There's an obvious lesson for stoopid party establishment types who don't want to cooperate with Trump on real border control and immigration and naturalization policy. But this bimbo was as utterly blind to the implications of her statement as the political establishment is paralyzed by it.

    Those with Trump on border control, immigration and naturalization , re-industrialization of the USA, and other related policies tend to win elections. Those against him tend to lose elections. These facts terrify the joined-at-the-hip establishments of both parties.

    Replies: @Corn

  38. @El Dato
    OT:

    On Armistice Day, 11-11:

    Day X: Germany's far-right commandos reportedly plotted to kill top politicians when order 'falls'

    Innawoods with AKM is not for amateurs anymore.


    German police have reportedly uncovered a clandestine far-right network which allegedly had "concrete plans" for what they called "Day X" – the moment when Germany's civil order would collapse, Focus magazine reported. The harrowing plan included bringing "unwanted" political figures to a remote place and killing them en masse.

    The far-right underground network is said to include members of the KSK, the German army's elite special operations unit, along with military and law enforcement veterans. Thoroughly preparing for "Day X," they had already created secret weapons and ammunition depots, as well as fuel stores.
     

    Replies: @donut, @Anonymous, @J.Ross

    That would just provoke a NATO invasion of the country. The Russians might join in as well.

  39. @Steve Sailer
    @Reg Cæsar

    Congresswoman Ocasio-Cortez needs a rich husband.

    Replies: @Tyrion 2, @Reg Cæsar

    Congresswoman Ocasio-Cortez needs a rich husband.

    Or wife.

    New York didn’t adopt no-fault divorce until 2010– then enacted same-sex marriage in 2011. The same trajectory took California 48 years.

  40. @Bart
    If the GOP doesn't try to win back the suburbs by reining in Trump's disgraceful language and tweeting then they're dead as a party.

    The Sailer Strategy isn't sustainable if your bleeding suburban college whites.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Reg Cæsar, @J.Ross

    If the GOP doesn’t try to win back the suburbs by reining in Trump’s disgraceful language and tweeting then they’re dead as a party.

    The Sailer Strategy isn’t sustainable if your bleeding suburban college whites.

    It’s only disgraceful if you’re insulated. Otherwise, it’s a rough description of the truth.

    What’s truly disgraceful is insulating your self from the same problems you’re foisting upon others.

  41. @J.Ross
    The New York Times is literally channelling Axis propaganda. The difference is that the Axis was careful to be sexy.
    https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1061278624987394048

    Replies: @Simply Simon

    I read the same story in the Austin American-Statesman which has become an adjunct of the NYT concerning news reports, that and the Associated Press. Anyone who has served in the military knows how stupid this story really is, but that does not concern the NYT as it knows it will negatively impact the public in general and mothers in particular.

  42. @El Dato
    OT:

    On Armistice Day, 11-11:

    Day X: Germany's far-right commandos reportedly plotted to kill top politicians when order 'falls'

    Innawoods with AKM is not for amateurs anymore.


    German police have reportedly uncovered a clandestine far-right network which allegedly had "concrete plans" for what they called "Day X" – the moment when Germany's civil order would collapse, Focus magazine reported. The harrowing plan included bringing "unwanted" political figures to a remote place and killing them en masse.

    The far-right underground network is said to include members of the KSK, the German army's elite special operations unit, along with military and law enforcement veterans. Thoroughly preparing for "Day X," they had already created secret weapons and ammunition depots, as well as fuel stores.
     

    Replies: @donut, @Anonymous, @J.Ross

    Are they talking about the Grey Wolves, the Turkish gang known to have infiltrated German police? No, still Nazi hunting.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @J.Ross

    Was it a different group of Grey Wolves that was a CIA-linked anti-communist group or is that just a popular name for things in Turkey?

  43. @Daniel H
    All hail. Look at that sh*t-eating grin. Do you think he is an exemplary deterrent? No way.

    https://suntimesmedia.files.wordpress.com/2017/09/blago-crop-2.png?w=559

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Reg Cæsar

    I remember when that expression was just an expression.

  44. @Bart
    If the GOP doesn't try to win back the suburbs by reining in Trump's disgraceful language and tweeting then they're dead as a party.

    The Sailer Strategy isn't sustainable if your bleeding suburban college whites.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Reg Cæsar, @J.Ross

    The Sailer Strategy isn’t sustainable if you’re bleeding suburban college whites.

    The Sailer Strategy is white people realizing that reality is real. Teenagers with maroon belts in navel gazing have not yet found reality but will.

  45. @Reg Cæsar
    One danger with elections is that you might win:



    She Won a Historic Election. Now, a Problem
    Ocasio-Cortez, youngest woman elected to Congress, can't afford DC apartment yet

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Redneck farmer, @Steve Sailer, @Jus' Sayin'..., @sayless, @Bill Jones, @Jim Don Bob

    Ocasio-Cortez is entertaining. She deserves a dedicated blog on her adventures in D.C. Puerto Rican Valley Girl From Westchester Enters The Arena. Even Alcee Hastings finds her annoying.

  46. @J.Ross
    @El Dato

    Are they talking about the Grey Wolves, the Turkish gang known to have infiltrated German police? No, still Nazi hunting.

    Replies: @Anon

    Was it a different group of Grey Wolves that was a CIA-linked anti-communist group or is that just a popular name for things in Turkey?

  47. @Reg Cæsar
    One danger with elections is that you might win:



    She Won a Historic Election. Now, a Problem
    Ocasio-Cortez, youngest woman elected to Congress, can't afford DC apartment yet

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Redneck farmer, @Steve Sailer, @Jus' Sayin'..., @sayless, @Bill Jones, @Jim Don Bob

    There’s a world of promise in the final word of the link
    “can’t afford DC apartment YET”

    That’ll change in a hurry.

  48. @Corn
    @Perspective

    Assuming these polls are accurate, whites voted 54% GOP. Didn’t they vote 58-60% GOP in 2012 and 2016?

    So why did the GOP number drop to 54%? Whites moving left? Conservative whites staying home, disillusioned by the lack of a wall? Or as Precious suggested in another thread, is Trump still popular but conservatives just didn’t want to vote for an Establishment GOP?

    Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...

    Listening to NPR tonight, one of their clueless prog commentators made the point that all the stoopid party reps who were up for re-election and supported a compromise with the dimocrats on DACA lost. There’s an obvious lesson for stoopid party establishment types who don’t want to cooperate with Trump on real border control and immigration and naturalization policy. But this bimbo was as utterly blind to the implications of her statement as the political establishment is paralyzed by it.

    Those with Trump on border control, immigration and naturalization , re-industrialization of the USA, and other related policies tend to win elections. Those against him tend to lose elections. These facts terrify the joined-at-the-hip establishments of both parties.

    • Replies: @Corn
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    “ There’s an obvious lesson for stoopid party establishment types who don’t want to cooperate with Trump on real border control and immigration and naturalization policy.”

    I do think many-not all but many-of the GOP reps who lost last week are no great loss. I was not disappointed Kevin Yoder lost in Kansas

    Replies: @Anonymous

  49. @Reg Cæsar
    One danger with elections is that you might win:



    She Won a Historic Election. Now, a Problem
    Ocasio-Cortez, youngest woman elected to Congress, can't afford DC apartment yet

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Redneck farmer, @Steve Sailer, @Jus' Sayin'..., @sayless, @Bill Jones, @Jim Don Bob

    Complete BS. Congress critters make at least $150k.

    You can rent a 1 bedroom all day long in N VA (Crystal City) for about $2k month which is $24k a year.

    This from a stupid b**** who poses in $4k of clothes and then opines on the glories of socialism.

    More and more, I am with the Derb – We are doomed.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Jim Don Bob


    More and more, I am with the Derb – We are doomed.
     
    That is DEFINITELY a winning strategy. It motivates people to resist the tide of stupidity and work hard to block the culture of suicide.

    Right?
    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Jim Don Bob


    Complete BS. Congress critters make at least $150k.
     
    Not until they start. She's got almost two months, and that's after the deposit.

    You have to wonder why she doesn't take out a loan to bridge the gap. If nobody will lend to her, what does that say about her credit?
    , @Anonymous
    @Jim Don Bob

    She could also room with Chuck Schumer and Dick Durbin:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODejBuFlY20

  50. Of course Cook County has corrupt elections. You wouldn’t know the name Rahm Emanuel if it wasn’t for the illegal efforts of Donald Tomczak, serving a federal sentence up in Duluth. Heck, even Hillary admitted witnessing this stuff directly in Living History.

  51. @Corn
    @Perplexed

    I’ve heard of this before. If I recall correctly this came about in the 1980s. There was a contested election in Indiana or North Carolina for the House and I think as part of a compromise the Dems allowed the GOP to seat their guy as long as they agreed not to contest more House elections in the future. Something like that. My memory is hazy too.

    Replies: @CrunchybutRealistCon

    1984 election, McCloskey over McIntyre in IN-8. Decided by 4 Votes after many Recounts, Counter-Recounts.
    It was scorched earth cause the the DEM majority in Congress voted to resolve the election by send a Task Force to IN to render final judgement. Should have been a wake up call to make elections both simpler and more secure.

  52. @Jim Don Bob
    @Reg Cæsar

    Complete BS. Congress critters make at least $150k.

    You can rent a 1 bedroom all day long in N VA (Crystal City) for about $2k month which is $24k a year.

    This from a stupid b**** who poses in $4k of clothes and then opines on the glories of socialism.

    More and more, I am with the Derb - We are doomed.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous

    More and more, I am with the Derb – We are doomed.

    That is DEFINITELY a winning strategy. It motivates people to resist the tide of stupidity and work hard to block the culture of suicide.

    Right?

  53. @fnn
    @The Alarmist

    Long-time Chicago ward boss Ed Quigley retired from Chicago politics after 51 years, but then continued his political career in Broward County, Florida:
    https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1988-10-28-8802110133-story.html


    Scandal regularly swirled around him, including frequent allegations of vote fraud against his precinct workers-some of whom were convicted-but Mr. Quigley was never prosecuted.

    He continued in politics after he moved to Florida about five years ago.

    ''Politics was in his blood,'' said former Ald. Thomas Keane (31th). ''He went back into politics down in the Hallandale area and became a big Democratic leader.''

    Keane said Mr. Quigley died at home after attending a political affair in Florida with Keane`s former driver, ''Big John'' Kardzoniak, and their wives. Mr. Quigley became chief of the city`s sewer system in 1963.
     
    I'd bet that current Chicago Congressman Mike Quigley is related to him, but I can't find any info on that.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    Does that make him the Yoda of the Dark Side?

  54. Keep whistling past the graveyard guys.

  55. @CrunchybutRealistCon
    One wonders if the GOP simply fell asleep on this issue after blowout wins in 72, 80 & 84. You'd think they'd realize the DEM incentive to cheat is enormous given the level of cronyism in contracting & state jobs. Probably it speaks to a deeper level of denial in Conservatism Inc. - it is simply too disturbing to face up to the fact that the other party will cheat without remorse, and is not even practicing politics in good faith. Their concern for the common man and basic standards of decency were abandoned decades ago.
    Now all that remains: how can we deceive or bribe the rubes, and how can we conceal our electoral fraud?

    Replies: @Perplexed, @Bill

    You’re assuming that the GOP hasn’t gotten anything for this, that they are somehow incompetent. That’s a really strange assumption given how extremely effective the GOP is at getting what they want. The top federal marginal tax rate has dropped from 90% to 20% (assuming one manages to recognize income as cap gains). That is a pretty amazing accomplishment.

    Low taxes for the wealthy, low wages for the wealthy’s employees, and free reign of corruption on Wall St is what the GOP wants, and they get what they want.

    They just don’t care about all this other stuff.

  56. I can securely withdraw or transfer money from my bank using an ATM in Bosnia or Mongolia–yet the mighty US still cannot get cheat proof elections. Too many players interested in the status quo, I guess.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Seneca44


    I can securely withdraw or transfer money from my bank using an ATM in Bosnia or Mongolia–yet the mighty US still cannot get cheat proof elections.
     
    You could probably cast a vote from Bosnia or Mongolia as well.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  57. @El Dato
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Game Theory says everyone has an interest continuing the status quo.

    Those that don't like it don't have a disinterest large enough to do something about it.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    Game Theory says everyone has an interest continuing the status quo.

    Those that don’t like it don’t have a disinterest large enough to do something about it.

    Not really Game Theory. Concentrated benefits and diffuse costs have been the bane of good government forever.

  58. @Reg Cæsar

    ...the supposed home address of three voters in the 17th Precinct of the 27th Ward was a vacant lot.
     
    This might be plausible in San Diego or Miami, but in Chicago? In November?

    I can't find it in the archives, but I'm pretty sure it was a Mr Boffo strip where a woman asks her lover post-coitally, "If you're so rich, how come you live in a box in an alley?"

    Replies: @JC1

    He should have replied “that IS WHY I am so rich.”

  59. @Jus' Sayin'...
    @Corn

    Listening to NPR tonight, one of their clueless prog commentators made the point that all the stoopid party reps who were up for re-election and supported a compromise with the dimocrats on DACA lost. There's an obvious lesson for stoopid party establishment types who don't want to cooperate with Trump on real border control and immigration and naturalization policy. But this bimbo was as utterly blind to the implications of her statement as the political establishment is paralyzed by it.

    Those with Trump on border control, immigration and naturalization , re-industrialization of the USA, and other related policies tend to win elections. Those against him tend to lose elections. These facts terrify the joined-at-the-hip establishments of both parties.

    Replies: @Corn

    “ There’s an obvious lesson for stoopid party establishment types who don’t want to cooperate with Trump on real border control and immigration and naturalization policy.”

    I do think many-not all but many-of the GOP reps who lost last week are no great loss. I was not disappointed Kevin Yoder lost in Kansas

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Corn


    I do think many-not all but many-of the GOP reps who lost last week are no great loss. I was not disappointed Kevin Yoder lost in Kansas
     
    I voted libty because I did not want to give my vote away, as Kansans and negroes generally do.

    But if the House had been one seat from staying Republican or going over and mine had been the deciding vote i would have felt pretty crummy.
  60. @Corn
    @Buzz Mohawk

    It’s also not uncommon for Representatives to room together to save money. In fact I think back in the 90s some of John Kasich’s foes started a whispering campaign that he was gay with one of his roommates.

    I think at some point in the 90s or 00s the Speaker actually banned Reps from sleeping overnight in their offices. Not a new problem.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    I think at some point in the 90s or 00s the Speaker actually banned Reps from sleeping overnight in their offices. Not a new problem.

    A possible solution, though they do have a three- or four-day limit. But then you can come back again. A short walk to Capitol Hill, too.

    https://www.hiusa.org/hostels/district-of-columbia/washington-dc/washington-dc

  61. @Seneca44
    I can securely withdraw or transfer money from my bank using an ATM in Bosnia or Mongolia--yet the mighty US still cannot get cheat proof elections. Too many players interested in the status quo, I guess.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    I can securely withdraw or transfer money from my bank using an ATM in Bosnia or Mongolia–yet the mighty US still cannot get cheat proof elections.

    You could probably cast a vote from Bosnia or Mongolia as well.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Reg Cæsar

    It looks like Republicans are signalling that they will work patiently through the process. So in other words we lose everything and Democrats have unlimited money to pursue witch hunts. But hey, at least Robert Mueller was able to prove that Jerome Corsi is a Russian intelligence agent who altered pro-Hillary votes in 2016. Good job, Robert Mueller!

  62. @Daniel H
    All hail. Look at that sh*t-eating grin. Do you think he is an exemplary deterrent? No way.

    https://suntimesmedia.files.wordpress.com/2017/09/blago-crop-2.png?w=559

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Reg Cæsar

    Did he dye his shirt to match his hair, or vice versa?

  63. @Jim Don Bob
    @Reg Cæsar

    Complete BS. Congress critters make at least $150k.

    You can rent a 1 bedroom all day long in N VA (Crystal City) for about $2k month which is $24k a year.

    This from a stupid b**** who poses in $4k of clothes and then opines on the glories of socialism.

    More and more, I am with the Derb - We are doomed.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous

    Complete BS. Congress critters make at least $150k.

    Not until they start. She’s got almost two months, and that’s after the deposit.

    You have to wonder why she doesn’t take out a loan to bridge the gap. If nobody will lend to her, what does that say about her credit?

  64. @Reg Cæsar
    @Seneca44


    I can securely withdraw or transfer money from my bank using an ATM in Bosnia or Mongolia–yet the mighty US still cannot get cheat proof elections.
     
    You could probably cast a vote from Bosnia or Mongolia as well.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    It looks like Republicans are signalling that they will work patiently through the process. So in other words we lose everything and Democrats have unlimited money to pursue witch hunts. But hey, at least Robert Mueller was able to prove that Jerome Corsi is a Russian intelligence agent who altered pro-Hillary votes in 2016. Good job, Robert Mueller!

  65. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corn
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    “ There’s an obvious lesson for stoopid party establishment types who don’t want to cooperate with Trump on real border control and immigration and naturalization policy.”

    I do think many-not all but many-of the GOP reps who lost last week are no great loss. I was not disappointed Kevin Yoder lost in Kansas

    Replies: @Anonymous

    I do think many-not all but many-of the GOP reps who lost last week are no great loss. I was not disappointed Kevin Yoder lost in Kansas

    I voted libty because I did not want to give my vote away, as Kansans and negroes generally do.

    But if the House had been one seat from staying Republican or going over and mine had been the deciding vote i would have felt pretty crummy.

  66. @Anon
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt22X9cheTE

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jNcXQq6kVc

    Replies: @Dan Hayes

    Anon[425]:

    After all these years, Brian Lamb is still the absolute best interlocutor on national media.

    Question
    : How come C Span, a quasi government entity, did not go the way of PBS and others in being just another liberalism fan club?

    Answer: Brian Lamb!

    PS: And thanks for sharing the video with the UR.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Dan Hayes

    This, Lamb is a treasure, and the balance and substantive content on his channel are a rare accomplishment. The only TV channel I miss is C-Span but if I still had BookTV I'd be even deeper in backlogged reading.

  67. @Dan Hayes
    @Anon

    Anon[425]:

    After all these years, Brian Lamb is still the absolute best interlocutor on national media.

    Question
    : How come C Span, a quasi government entity, did not go the way of PBS and others in being just another liberalism fan club?

    Answer: Brian Lamb!

    PS: And thanks for sharing the video with the UR.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    This, Lamb is a treasure, and the balance and substantive content on his channel are a rare accomplishment. The only TV channel I miss is C-Span but if I still had BookTV I’d be even deeper in backlogged reading.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  68. @Jim Don Bob
    @Reg Cæsar

    Complete BS. Congress critters make at least $150k.

    You can rent a 1 bedroom all day long in N VA (Crystal City) for about $2k month which is $24k a year.

    This from a stupid b**** who poses in $4k of clothes and then opines on the glories of socialism.

    More and more, I am with the Derb - We are doomed.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous

    She could also room with Chuck Schumer and Dick Durbin:

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