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You often hear that there is no vote count fraud to speak of in America’s big cities, but the first election I experience up close in Chicago, the Illinois gubernatorial election of 1982, might lead me to think otherwise. The GOP candidate had been well ahead in the surveys, but then on election night the results were surprisingly close. Vote counting went on for days before the Republican finally won.

This recent swatch of history isn’t well known, but a 2016 Salon article by Mary Frances Berry reports that 63 Cook County Democrats were subsequently convicted of vote fraud.

In The Making of the President, 1960, Theodore White reports that he was hanging out with the Kennedy staffers at Hyannisport while the protracted 1960 Illinois vote count was dragging on:

“Even in the most corrupt states of the Union, one cannot steal more than one or two percent of the vote… The AP was pressing its reporters for returns, and the reporters were trying to gouge out of the Republican and Democratic machines their vote-stealing, precinct by precinct totals. … It was downstate (Republican) versus Cook County (Democratic), and the bosses, holding back totals from key precincts, were playing out their concealed cards under pressure of publicity as in a giant game of blackjack.

“… the AP ticker chattered its keys once more and reported: ‘ With all downstate precincts now reported in, and only Cook County precincts unreported, Richard Nixon has surged into the lead by 3,000 votes.’

“I was dismayed, for if Nixon really carried Illinois, the game was all but over. And at this point I was jabbed from dismay by the outburst of jubilation from young Dick Donahue, who yelped, ‘He’s got them! Daley made them go first! He’s still holding back — watch him play his hand now.” I was baffled, they were elated. But they knew the counting game better than I, and as if in response to Donahue’s yelp, the ticker, having stuttered along for several minutes with other results, announced: ‘With the last precincts of Cook County now in, Senator Kennedy has won a lead of 8,000 votes to carry Illinois’s 27 electoral votes.’

Later that evening, Kennedy told his friend Ben Bradlee of an early call from Daley, when all seemed in doubt. “With a little bit of luck and the help of a few close friends,” Daley had assured Kennedy before the AP had pushed out the count, “you’re going to carry Illinois.”

 
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  1. Repeats now being played out in Florida and Arizona. But having to show an id to vote is Raaaaacist.

    • Replies: @Barnard
    , @Dtbb
    , @pyrrhus
    , @bomag
  2. MBlanc46 says:

    Even when they don’t break the law, they’re a bit iffy. Dems funnel bucks to black ministers to get busloads of parishioners to the polls. Former governor Pat Quinn tried to give them tens of millions of taxpayer dollars, but it was too blatant and they had to give it back.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  3. Broward County is still counting votes. The joke goes like this:

    In Cook County, you can buy a politician, but in (fill in the blank), Florida, they’re so cheap you just rent them.

  4. Even if Nixon had won Illinois, he still would have lost. IL only had 27 electoral college votes, and Kennedy won 303 to Nixon’s 219. That particular steal did have the effect of radicalizing my very conservative grandmother though, kind of like Paul Krugman from the 2000 presidential election.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Lot
  5. istevefan says:

    And we are supposed to believe the so called “Southern Strategy” was this great affront to democracy. In fact I think a GOPe cuck even apologized for it a few years back. Yet these democrat fu*cks cheat and brag about it.

    They are in the process of stealing AZ and FL. .

    PS. There is a complaint by the democrats going around that 40 million people voted for a democrat senate candidate in 2018, while only 31 million voted GOP. This is apparently unfair because the GOP controls the senate. So the democrats are upset that they do not control the senate based upon this large vote differential.

    Check out this tweet that dispels that argument:

  6. @Enrico Dandolo

    Nixon needed to win both Illinois and Texas, but he lost both. The Texas vote count was seriously screwed up due to a major breakdown in a new system, so it was expected to take quite some time. So he needed to win Illinois in the short term to still have a chance to win the White House by winning Texas in the longer term.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @LondonBob
    , @Pat Hannagan
  7. Tiny Duck says:

    So?

    The GOP engaged in gerrymandering and voter suppression

    Just accept that you lost and that People of Color are rejecting you and that they are future. I dare you to refute Leonard Pitts

    GET OVER IT

    • Replies: @Curle
    , @duncsbaby
    , @fish
  8. Anon[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    As I recall, Johnson arranged for certain counties in Texas to vote for Kennedy, according to Caro’s biography. There was blatant vote fraud in Texas in 1960.

  9. J.Ross says: • Website

    Microsoft’s new ToS states that they will ban ALL your Microsoft accounts for Code of Conduct violations as well as pocket any remaining credits on your account. They will scan through your private Skype history and OneDrive documents for violations.

    In the Code of Conduct section, we’ve clarified that use of offensive language and fraudulent activity is prohibited. We’ve also clarified that violation of the Code of Conduct through Xbox Services may result in suspensions or bans from participation in Xbox Services, including forfeiture of content licenses, Xbox Gold Membership time, and Microsoft account balances associated with the account.

    https://professional-troublemaker.com/2018/03/25/microsoft-bans-offensive-language-from-skype/

    Lot of wierdly bad computer news lately. Microsoft Ten has another bug (good thing they saved money on coders through immigration!) and Apple users are saying they’re getting ripped off.

    • Replies: @Lot
  10. Two Los Angeles area CA state legislators were actually once illegal immigrants: Susan and Bianco Rubio.

    “When she was 8 years old, Rubio and her family successfully arrived in Los Angeles, again as undocumented immigrants. She spoke English, but her younger brother Robert did not.

    https://www.kqed.org/news/11429750/meet-the-immigrant-legislators-putting-their-stamp-on-the-capitol

    http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-sac-essential-politics-roger-hern-ndez-susan-rubio-1466127211-htmlstory.html

    Naturalized illegal immigrants defeating naturalized legal immigrants:

    https://ballotpedia.org/Susan_Rubio

    One has to look at the margins from the primary to general and notice that basically all the votes for the other Hispanic candidates went to Rubio, leaving Lee to lose.

  11. Lot says:

    The 1960 account, even if correctly recounted word for word, doesn’t really mean vote fraud, just fear of the other side engaging in it.

    I’ll also observe that falsely implying you can rig a vote could benefit someone like Daley. It is like a special power people thought he had. Why not let people think he has it, even if he didn’t.

    If the Daley machine really engaged in heavy vote fraud, anyone involved who got into some other sort of federal trouble could rat out the operation to the U.S Attorney, or the State AG during the short periods the GOP controlled the office.

    You think Patrick Fitzgerald wouldn’t dismiss Pookie’s mandatory minimum 35-year drug charge in return for his Auntie delivering up some Democratic aldermen she used to work for?

    Things like this happened, lots of Illinois (and New York) politicians have gone to jail for corruption of various sorts.

    Yet… no giant vote rigging has ever been uncovered.

  12. Lot says:
    @Enrico Dandolo

    The main way politicians are corrupted is being hired for $500,000-$10,000,000 a year jobs for doing a corporation’s bidding while in office. If they really can’t wait, they can hire the spouse while in office.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  13. Anonymous[297] • Disclaimer says:
    @MBlanc46

    If the GOP tried to pay white ministers to get them to bus white retards and demented old duffers to the polls,(which is essentially what cultural-Marxist operatives do with the black ministers- the black bus voter crowd is the leftward tail of the Black bell curve, meaning most really are retarded or senile by any objective standard) one, most of the ministers would rat the GOP out and two, the entire RNC would be charged with anything they could find, including RICO.

    If the GOP ever tried to enforce existing laws to interfere with “walking around money”, or even just told the truth openly about what they know to be happening, there would be dozens of GOP pols accused of every imaginable vile crime. In some cases the accusations would be true, others not.

    The relevant part of all this is that now, about five percent of what I would call “responsible whites” knows this, and all the other stuff so-called white nationalists have been saying since basically forever, to be true. That sounds terrible, and it is, except that before Trump it was probably half that and before ClintonBushObama it was probably well under one percent. At the rate things are now going it will be ten percent in a couple of years.

    This will require cucks to be considerably more cuckworthy in implementing their treachery and should make for some funny incidents. There will be a struggle to see which bastion of cuckery becomes known as the citadel of The Most 100 Percent Standard Cuck On Planet.

    ( Mormonism and Scientology are both fun to pirate babble from. Amway on the other hand seems to have petered out. )

  14. @Lot

    63 convictions in Cook County stemming from the the 1982 election.

    The polls had the GOP candidate up by ~10%. He ended up winning by ~0.1%.

    • Replies: @Lot
  15. Lot says:
    @Lot

    If you want evidence of vote rigging in 1960, find the precinct results data in a library and see if the result violates Benford’s law.

    • Replies: @HA
  16. Barnard says:
    @Jim Don Bob

    When someone as dim and naive as Marco Rubio understands the Democrats are trying to steal a Senate seat in Florida you know it is blatant.

  17. @Anon

    If college professors really wanted to be hard ass realists instead of SJW larping they’d assign Caro instead of Zinn.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @bjondo
  18. anon[414] • Disclaimer says:

    Those were small time crooks compared to the voting frauds of today. Democrats have only gotten bolder with every election cycle. These are people who believe the end justifies the means, morality be damned.

    Democrats are people who don’t know integrity if it hits them in the face.

    Blacks and Jews are particularly brazen and shameless in their fraud.

  19. Anonymous[216] • Disclaimer says:

    1960 was the closest popular vote ever, with (depending how the unpledged electors are attributed) Nixon actually beating JFK by a hair — but, as everyone understood in that pre-enstupidated era, it didn’t really matter cuz the popular vote does not determine the election of presidents.

    It’s interesting to me that the big brains of the Dem side seem to earnestly believe, despite their party’s history of comical vulnerability to trendy Bad Ideas, that they will never have to worry about finding themselves on the wrong side of this rule, once they’ve abruptly changed it.

  20. Dtbb says:
    @Jim Don Bob

    Can’t vote in Florida without a picture id.

    • Replies: @Curle
    , @The Alarmist
  21. Bart says:

    Jeff Sessions was a great Attorney General and it sucks the way Trump treated him. Sessions was a far better man than Trump could ever dream of being.

    • Agree: Lot
    • Disagree: Lowe
  22. Dtbb says:
    @Anon

    In James Michener’s Texas he tells stories of mexicans being recruited to cross the border to vote for Johnson and then go home. Many counties had more votes cast than actual residents according to his story.

    • Replies: @Detective Club
  23. Lot says:
    @Steve Sailer

    You remembered the number wrong, it was 26 indictments, not 63 convictions. The longest sentence was 9 months.

    The article also says it was mostly low level campaign workers (like a city sewer worker) doing things like casting absentee ballots for dead people on a small retail level to put up big numbers in their precincts to please bosses who turned a blind eye. And at least one of the 26 mentioned was a Republican worker.

    What I am skeptical of is the idea that Daley, or the downstate GOP bosses, in 1960 could just whip up an arbitrary number of votes days after an election.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @David
    , @Jack D
  24. EdwardM says:

    Looks like Rick Scott and Martha McSally, like the guy in MT, failed to win by enough on election night to overcome the margin of theft. So the urban/suburban machines have gone to work, and Republicans will likely end up only +1 in the cycle.

    • Replies: @Detective Club
    , @LondonBob
  25. snorlax says:

    OT: Nice work, if you can get it.

  26. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Lot

    What would it take to do that? There have been lottery scams where teams of people fill out thousands of forms. Years ago NPR talked about a Mexican vote fixer in Texas who bought mestizo votes for about twenty bucks each.

    • Replies: @Lot
  27. Lowe says:
    @Bart

    Who cares whether he is a good man? He shouldn’t have recused himself from the special counsel investigation, and he should have been more aggressive on immigration and affirmative action.

    Goodbye, Sleepy Jeff.

  28. Curle says:
    @Dtbb

    From any country?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  29. Anon[222] • Disclaimer says:

    Jeff Sessions was a great Attorney General and it sucks the way Trump treated him. Sessions was a far better man than Trump could ever dream of being.

    Bullshit. I now think Jeff Sessions was Peter Strzok’s “insurance plan”. Sessions is a Deep State operative and took every step to ensure the Russian collusion bullshit went on full steam ahead.

    The dirty tricks Russia BS with Trump. The dirty tricks sexual assault BS with Kavanaugh. The media now 24/7 hostile to Real America. Within 10 years this once great country will be a horror show. And those whom I idolized as protectors of America- GOP, Bob Mueller, Bush, et al.- have gone over to the dark side. I could have never imagined even 10 years ago- when I used to watch Morning Joe and The Colbert Report and was happy Obama best McCain- that it would start to unwind so quickly. While I’m not literally shaking, I’m truly scared for my family.

    • Agree: TheBoom
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  30. Moses says:

    I was in charge of a polling station in San Francisco some years ago.

    I was appalled at the utter lack of controls regarding ballots and voting. The ballots were in a burlap sack sitting in my apartment for weeks before the election.

    Anyone could wander in off the street and vote. We were supposed to check their names off a list after voting. But if their names were not on the list, no problem! We just gave them a provisional ballot and ran it through the counting machine.

    I could have stuffed that ballot box silly with provisional votes if I had wanted to. I could have filled them out in advance, or “found” a box of “lost” provisional votes after the election. It would have been easy as 1-2-3.

    Bad behavior happens 100% of the time where there is opportunity, motive and little chance of getting caught and/or weak punishment if caught.

    No doubt in my mind that voting fraud is happening in America. And no doubt in my mind which side is doing it. After all, to them, not doing it would be immoral. Theirs is the side of the righteous angels. The ends justify the means.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  31. Lot says:
    @J.Ross

    More than one anecdote in a book.

  32. Currently watching all these close races get yanked in favor of the Dems nationally, but internet user “Lot” assures us all there’s no such thing as a systemic attempt to maintain power.

  33. anon[209] • Disclaimer says:

    I just had a thought – if Nixon had won in 1960 there might not have been a Vietnam war. Eisenhower declined to send in a lot of troops to Vietnam, and Nixon could well have stuck to that policy. It was bold and stupid Kennedy who sent 15,000 troops and got us all in.
    Nixon was crafty. Playing the China card, detente with Russia – he liked diplomacy and power chess more than war. The liberals see him as a crazy anti-Commie cold warrior, and of course once he inherited the war on taking office he bombed, bombed, bombed. But if he had been in office in 1961 and had more choices, and knowing what he did later with the trip to China and SALT treaties, I think he would have shrewdly found a way to not fight a war in Vietnam.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Anon
  34. Lot says:
    @J.Ross

    Friends don’t let friends spend money on XBox Gold Memberships.

  35. @Anon

    Also reported by Caro, Johnson stole the vote in ’48 to gain his Senate seat in the first place. The big land bosses in the Rio Grande Valley could order their workers to vote for whomever they decided to back. If that didn’t generate enough votes they would just fill in the ballots for them.

    As per Steve’s story about Cook county, LBJ’s Republican opponent made the cardinal error of having his vote tallies reported first. Once LBJ’s cronies in the Valley knew how many votes they needed to generate, they set to work.

    There was some pretty blatant fraud, such as newly “discovered” ballot boxes that went 100% for LBJ, and all in the same handwriting.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  36. @Curle

    Can’t vote in Florida without a picture id.

    From any country?

    Can it be drawn in crayon?

  37. Johnny789 says:

    Tuesday I was the only non-POC voting at my Polling Place in Hawthorne, CA at 7pm and the “Nice Lady from the Community” told me that the box that they normally put the completed ballots in was broken, so she put it on a shelf underneath the box after she looked closely at the top vote on my ballot. And that’s how Gavin Newsome became the Governor of California. Same thing happened to my neighbor voting at lunchtime.

    • Replies: @Lowe
  38. eah says:

    Vote finding.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    , @eah
  39. @Dtbb

    The phony Mexican vote on the Texas border made LBJ a US Senator in 1948 in the Dem primary and nobody in the Senate fought harder against Eisenhower’s Operation Wetback in 1954 than did Johnson. Guess what President signed the Immigration Act of 1965 into law?

  40. @EdwardM

    But at least Max Boot, a True American, is happy. It’s been said before and it bears repeating : if a Republican does not win by at least 2% on Election night, he will lose the weeks-long recount by 0.01%. The Dem margin of victory will be found in a towed vehicle, in a condemned municipal garage, radioactive landfill, abandoned junkyard, in the broom closet of a VFW hall, etc. If a Democrat wins by 2%, calling for a recount would be RACIST! Didn’t Stalin or somebody like him once say : it’s not who casts the votes but who counts them is the one who wins?

  41. DuanDiRen says:
    @Lot

    My only connection to Cook County is a pair of brothers I was friends with a decade ago. The younger brother had worked as a jail guard, and had quit as soon as he could. His stories were terrifying, and enough to make me never visit the state of Illinois.

    He said that during the some kind of election (I think the Sherrif’s re-election, but could be wrong), a $50 “contribution” was deducted from all of the guard’s paycheques. If you wanted the $50 back, you had to go to the accountant’s office and argue, and be prepared to have your shift supervisor berate you for not being a “team player”.

    He had another story about a supervisor who complained about corruption, and who was subsequently arrested after cocaine was found in his car.

  42. @eah

    “Lakeisha” says it all.

  43. @istevefan

    There were no Republican Senatorial candidates on the California ballot, so subtract the 6,457,533 votes the two Dems received from the national popular vote for the Senate. But even then, the Senate is a chamber of the States, so why is this Popular Vote thingy a thing?

    BTW, if I read RCP correctly, AZ is already stolen but for certification.

  44. LondonBob says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Landslide Lyndon made sure Texas was going to vote his way.

  45. @istevefan

    Mr. Shahid’s civics teacher needs to be fired.

  46. LondonBob says:

    I am bemused by American elections, why not just copy our method in Britain. Paper ballots all hand counted after polls close, takes a few hours but I have complete confidence in it. Helps that the exit poll released after polls close always matches within a couple of seats. Still we have had issues with ethnic minorities vote farming and false registrations so this is being looked at, this is an issue more for local elections though.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @pyrrhus
    , @Ancient Briton
  47. LondonBob says:
    @EdwardM

    A lot of votes left to count in Arizona.

    • Replies: @Barnard
    , @Desiderius
  48. anon[131] • Disclaimer says:
    @Desiderius

    Given the information now available about Johnson’s career [search for Malcolm [Mac] Wallace],Caro’s first 3 volumes read like a hagiography.
    His other claim to fame is a hit job on Robert Moses [The Power Broker].

    • Replies: @Flip
  49. anon[131] • Disclaimer says:
    @LondonBob

    Same in Australia, but you’ve got to keep a sharp eye on the counters.
    They’re prone to slipping the odd stack of 50 into the wrong pile, there’s a hundred vote turnaround right there
    Multiply that by 20 booths, …

  50. @Steve Sailer

    In fairness, a comprehensive rebuttal can be found here: Here’s a voter fraud myth: Richard Daley ‘stole’ Illinois for John Kennedy in the 1960 election

    Key point’s that counter your anecdote:

    Myth 3: Daley held back votes

    In fact, if you watch NBC’s 1960 election night coverage, Chicago and Cook County actually come in ahead of the rest of the state. By 12:30 a.m., two-thirds of Chicago’s precincts had reported, compared to just half statewide. When the Republican Chicago Tribune went to press, 79 percent of Cook County’s 5,199 precincts were in vs. just 62 percent of Illinois’s 10,015 precincts overall. A little after 7 a.m. Eastern, NBC reported that 850 (8.5 percent) of Illinois precincts were still out, vs. just 400 (7.7 percent) of Cook County precincts, and 200 (5.3 percent) of precincts in Chicago.

    If Chicago and Cook County reported early, they can’t have been used to erase Nixon’s lead. In fact, Nixon never led, and it was Kennedy’s lead that shrank as the night went on.

    Myth 2: Kennedy’s margin of victory in Cook County was extraordinary

    In Cook County, the model predicted Kennedy’s results within half a percent. You don’t need fraud to explain how Kennedy got the numbers that he did.

    On the other hand, from what I’ve read everyone agrees that Lyndon Johnson delivered Texas to Kennedy. Something which he felt Kennedy owed him more gratitude.

  51. duncsbaby says:
    @Tiny Duck

    I dare to refute Leonard Pitts. I DARE. Btw, Leonard seems to think his fellow blacks don’t have the same reading comprehension skills as whites:

    “Please read this thread. If you are black, please read it twice.”

    https://mobile.twitter.com/LeonardPittsJr1/status/1059450074932133889?p=v

  52. duncsbaby says:
    @Bart

    I agree w/the first sentence. You got a bit carried away w/the second though which tends to undercut your first.

  53. @anon

    “Those were small time crooks compared to the voting frauds of today. Democrats have only gotten bolder with every election cycle.”

    Don’t forget how Al Franken stole his senate seat in the 2008 election from Norm Coleman. Minnesota is now the model state for good-whites giving the keys to the crazies — Keith Ellison; most recently, first Somali women to Congress. I guess the Democrats there are fine with Somali policemen shooting women as long as they are white.

    And the two biggest Democrat frauds are still out on the hustings — the Clintons.

    See: http://fosterspeak.blogspot.com/2018/11/the-clintons-do-barnum-and-bailey.html

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  54. @anon

    My surmise is that lots of the hype over “voter suppression” is to provide a moral justification and motivation for thousands of lower level functionaries to independently stuff the ballot box by the means available to them. It’s also intended to give cover to law enforcement authorities in deep blue areas to threaten poll workers and others from uncovering voter fraud.

    Of course, when your lower level functionaries are also lower IQ functionaries, they go and do obviously impossible things like submitting returns with over 100% voter turnout as was done in certain precincts in North Philadelphia during Obama’s 2012 re-elect.

  55. TheJester says:
    @Lot

    My wife and I canvassed for a Democrat for Congress in our university days in the early 1960s. We were given a copy of the Democratic voter rolls.

    As my wife and I went door-to-door, we had trouble finding some of the addresses. Some were on empty lots; some were at the end of blind alleys, and some were squeezed between two adjacent houses.

    It is a good guess that someone voted these invisible people … and that there was voter fraud on the part of the Democratic Party in Kansas in the 1960s.

    With all of the back-and-forth on “hanging chads”, electronic voting machines, and other voting technologies seemingly designed for fraud (i.e. a teacher discovering ballot boxes hiding in a locked storage room after the election), I offer the current publicly observable voting process in Loudoun County, Virginia:

    1. Election monitors crosscheck official photo ID with address against the address on voter rolls; voter crossed off as voting.
    2. Voter receives the ballot.
    3. Voter fills in squares with an ink pen.
    4. Voter inserts the ballot into a single scanner that documents that the ballot was counted by displaying a green light … leaving a paper trail for a recount that allows crosschecking the number of marked ballots against scanner totals.
    5. The entire voting process takes place in the open area of a school gym (schools are otherwise closed for the day) to prevent collusion associated with small rooms and hidden places.

    This is not “rocket science”.

  56. Thirdtwin says:

    “With a little bit of luck and the help of a few close friends,”

    We can make this whole damn thing work out, I need some bodies to vote.

  57. David says:
    @Lot

    In 1987, the Tribune reported that “a two-year grand jury inquiry that found that more than 100,000 fraudulent votes were cast in November, 1982… In what is considered the largest documented case of vote fraud in Chicago’s history, a federal grand jury returned 62 indictments that resulted in 58 convictions of election judges, precinct captains and other campaign workers in the 1982 election.”

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1987-03-08-8701180815-story.html

    • Replies: @Lot
  58. I realize that Cook County isn’t exactly squeaky clean today, but you complain when Liberals dredge up old news like Emmett Till to shape today’s narrative, but here you bring up decades old “Cook County is really corrupt” stories to keep the Chicago is corrupt narrative going.

    • Replies: @bomag
  59. The Florida Senate fraud attempt is the most audacious ever.
    They have found 78,000(!!!) votes in Broward since election was over.
    Supervisor is black convicted election fraudster.
    Against sitting governor, no less.
    Caught Reps off guard because so many votes to make up.
    Stay tuned.

  60. Anonymous[596] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    That’s right. The communists didn’t respect Kennedy. They assumed he was the playboy son of a rich father who was out of his depth in the White House. (A prejudice that was apparently confirmed by Bay of Pigs and other American missteps.)

    The Vietcong kept a low profile under Eisenhower but launched a major uprising in 1961, which by the end of the year had captured control of most of rural South Vietnam.

    Kennedy sending troops to the country was an attempt to put out the fire – a fire that would never have started in the first place under Nixon.

  61. @Hypnotoad666

    As per Steve’s story about Cook county, LBJ’s Republican opponent made the cardinal error of having his vote tallies reported first.

    Not a Republican opponent. Any Republican opponent would have been irrelevant. It was former Governor Coke Stevenson in the Democratic primary–which Johnson won by 80-something votes. (After getting the election stolen from him Stevenson–a conservative–did become a closest Republican or at least anti-post-War-Democrats.)

    The 200+ votes everyone agrees were stolen were in the famous ballot box 13 in Jim Wells county, which is in South Texas–and heavily Hispanic now–but not actually in the Valley. Of course, there was probably a lot of other vote stealing going on in that election.

    But your basic thrust is correct: Johnson did the Daley thing–he who steals last, steals best.

    • Replies: @anon
  62. pyrrhus says:
    @Jim Don Bob

    Same method too…Delayed vote count until the number needed is determined, followed by creating fake votes and/or disqualifying Republican votes…There is nothing new under the Democrat Sun…

  63. pyrrhus says:
    @LondonBob

    That used to be the method in the USA, but voting machines made it easier to steal elections…But even so, when a black Democrat convict is counting the votes in Broward County, all bets are off.

  64. pyrrhus says:

    If Sinema gets the seat, I will be referring to her, in public and to her supporters, as the Thief.

  65. @Moses

    Here in Los Angeles, the lady on line in front me to vote offered her driver license to the pollworker. When the poll worker said, “oh, we don’t need to see your ID”, the lady said, “oh, that’s great.”

    I asked, “excuse me, how do you know who we are without IDs?” The pollworker glared and asked me, “is there something I can help you with?” I said, “yeah, you can check our IDs and make sure that people don’t vote who are noncitizens or nonresidents.” She told me to contact the election office if I had any complaints but that she didn’t know what I was talking about. I asked which word she didn’t understand, “noncitizen” or “nonresident.”

    Yeah, I love living here.

  66. Jack D says:
    @Lot

    These crimes are always done in a way to preserve deniability for the higher ups. You don’t give direct orders, instead you say, “Who will rid me of this troublesome priest?” and your underlings get the message. When people try to “please their bosses” it’s because they have gotten the hint.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
  67. Mr. Anon says:
    @Anon

    Sessions is a Deep State operative and took every step to ensure the Russian collusion bullshit went on full steam ahead.

    That is complete nonsense. Sessions was one of the very few Senators who raised the alarm about immigration. He simply thought he was being hired for the Job of Attorney General of The United States, not to be Michael Cohen’s replacement as Trump’s fixer.

  68. @Lot

    As the saying goes “It’s not the illegal things politicians do that’s the scandal, it’s the things that are legal.”

  69. Lowe says:
    @Johnny789

    That is pretty bad. I am tempted to say you could tell the authorities, but that would be a lot of trouble, and I am not even sure who the authorities are in California.

  70. Barnard says:
    @LondonBob

    That isn’t what the Arizona Secretary of State has posted now. McSally down about 9,100 with 23,000 left to count according to my math. She would have to get about 70% of the remaining ballots in order to win.

  71. bomag says:
    @Jim Don Bob

    The Democrats seem to have the natural instincts to load up big urban districts with their people to “guide” elections, while Republicans are busy trying to make things more fair.

  72. HA says:
    @Lot

    “find the precinct results data in a library and see if the result violates Benford’s law.”

    So long as buses of actual people were brought in to do the voting (by whatever shady deal imaginable), there wouldn’t be any violations of Benford’s law. Those would only appear if someone were fabricating or manually altering actual vote tallies.

  73. bomag says:
    @Lot

    I live in a famously corrupt district.

    Lots of complaints and challenges, but they go nowhere. Electioneers have a pretty high level of immunity; courts and administrators are loathe to start announcing that the system is flawed.

  74. Anonymous[246] • Disclaimer says:

    If Broward county’s corruption can determine our nation’s fate, an indefinite military dictatorship would be greatly preferable.

    Voting is encouraged not because the masses have wisdom, but because it is an alternative to violence. As we have seen since at least Ferguson, that barrier has disintegrated. Political violence is everywhere in the air, and the vote tallies are a sham anyway.

    Let some men who have been willing to kill and die for their country make the decisions, they’ve earned it. If there ever is a military coup, I will be the first one cheering. Someone should put a stop to this civic entropy.

  75. @Jack D

    When people try to “please their bosses” it’s because they have gotten the hint.

    This is how Chris Christie avoided indictment.

  76. anon[397] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    Also according to Caro, Johnson had been caught out the same way when he ran in the Senate Primary to replace Morris Shepherd in 1941.
    He was up against Governor Pappy O’Daniel, who was opposed as Governor by the Alcohol Lobby.
    Johnson announced first, letting O’Daiels’s men know how many votes they needed to ”find” to win.

  77. bjondo says:
    @Desiderius

    According to a 2012 New York Times Magazine profile, “Caro said he now thinks that Princeton, which he chose because of its parties, was one of his mistakes, and that he should have gone to Harvard. Princeton in the mid-1950s was hardly known for being hospitable towards the Jewish community, and though Caro says he did not personally suffer from anti-Semitism, he saw plenty of students who did.” He had a sports column in the Princetonian and also wrote for the Princeton Tiger humor magazine.

    wikipedia

    Yid never suffers personally but has stories of many other yids who did suffer … somewhere, sometime.

    Maybe worth reading? I’ll choose someone else.

    • Replies: @Flip
  78. Flip says:
    @anon

    I remember this book on LBJ’s corruption.

    A Texan Looks at Lyndon – March 9, 1964
    by J. Evetts Haley

  79. eah says:

    From the ‘Race is a Social Construct Dept’

  80. Flip says:
    @bjondo

    His son went there too.

  81. bomag says:
    @Mike Zwick

    like Emmett Till…

    Not all that equivalent. There’s been something like 1.5 million murders of various sorts since Till; plenty unsolved and unpunished, with racial animosity both ways.

    Presidential elections are rather scarce in comparison; the outcomes are of a different sort of importance compared to Till et al.

  82. @Stephen Paul Foster

    Right. And Muslim woman beater Ellison is now the AG, which means he is the final authority on all election irregularity disputes. That’s how Franken’s fraud succeeded.

  83. J.Ross says: • Website

    Republicans don’t know how to fight. I will teach them!

  84. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    I just had a thought – if Nixon had won in 1960 there might not have been a Vietnam war. Eisenhower declined to send in a lot of troops to Vietnam

    I know Eisenhower made that famous farewell speech, but he was most responsible for Vietnam, Iran fiasco(that would come later), and Central American horror.

    Eisenhower shouldn’t have interfered to divide Vietnam. And he shouldn’t have pulled the coup in Iran. And the toppling of Arbenz in Guatemala triggered off rebellions all over that led to 100,000s of deaths over the years. And US backing of mafia and thugs in Cuba led to Castro’s takeover. Granted, US policy in Cuba long predated Eisenhower, but $$$ cannot be the basis of foreign policy. US government let the gangsters loose in Cuba.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  85. @LondonBob

    As a former ancient Briton I agree in principle, but American ballots can be awfuly long and complicated with reps, senators, dogcatchers, sheriffs and obscure questions thrown into the mix making handcounting all but impossible. This is by design.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  86. anonymous[739] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m born, raised and returned to Chicago the City – I’m now….

    Left behind in Chicago.

    Oh for those days of old when Chicago corrupt Dems would steal elections for White heterosexual Irish Catholics and other White immigrant Catholics.

    Oh for those days when immigrants were all White ethnics and feared because they supposedly had too much devotion to Conservative European Catholic Popes.

    That’s a bit different now when the CINO (Catholic in Name Only) Pope Francis gets on the cover of Rolling Stone Magazine embracing the entire Lib Progressive agenda including replacing White Europeans with Arab, Black and other Muslim migrants.

    Pope Francis went so far as to do photo ops licking the boots of the Black/Muslim migrants.

    Don’t believe me?

    Here’s the photo:

    https://www.americamagazine.org/content/dispatches/pope-francis-washes-feet-refugees-different-religions-and-countries

  87. anonymous[739] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    I see you go for the “US White Devils are the cause of all wars and violence in the world” – the 3rd world would be all prosperous, peaceful a Liberal Left utopia if the United States hadn’t provoked Communists to take over Cuba, Vietnam, Cambodia etc.

    Well Anon – socialist Venezuela is awaiting you – your folks won there, took over.

    You just won’t have some things like toilet paper

    • Replies: @Anon
  88. fish says:
    @Tiny Duck

    Ohs Tinys……

    I be’un refutin yo pucker later tonite. Dat shuld be tellin yu sumpin rite ther.

    Lendspurt “teh splainer” Pibb

  89. Anon[625] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    I see you go for the “US White Devils are the cause of all wars and violence in the world” – the 3rd world would be all prosperous, peaceful a Liberal Left utopia if the United States hadn’t provoked Communists to take over Cuba, Vietnam, Cambodia etc.

    No. Much of the world would be messed up regardless. But without US intervention, it would be THEIR problem, not US’s.
    When US intervenes, it ends up owning the problem and sometimes makes it far worse… as with Libya.

    Gadaffi was daffy but preferable to what Libya is now.

  90. MBlanc46 says:
    @Bart

    Methinks you’re a troll, Bart.

  91. J.Ross says: • Website

    RELEASE THE CRACKER

    https://postimg.cc/rRjfKmJ6

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  92. @J.Ross

    OK, that’s a pretty good joke.

  93. what i noticed was that for years, democrats screamed loudly that there was NO EVIDENCE AT ALL, ANYWHERE, EVER, of voter fraud. between 2008 and 2016 or so. during the most rampant period of democrat voter fraud.

    considering how extremely strident they were about this, their current silence is deafening on the now continuous, sustained accusations by republicans that democrats are vote frauding all over the nation in dozens of races.

    that’s because democrats don’t care to hide it anymore and they believe they are very close to taking permanent control of the united states. the party line has changed on this topic and democrat foot soldiers and PR people are no longer instructed to maintain a unified public front that “DERE IS NO EVUDUNCE OF FRAUD ANYWHERE, STERPID RACISTS.”

    very similar to how they screamed and yelled for the last 4 or 5 years that “NO DEMERCRATS ANYWHERE WUNT OPEN BORDERS, CONSPIRUSY CRACKPOT RAYSUSTS.”

    right up until november 7 2018, when they shifted gears to publicly calling for open borders.

  94. J.Ross says: • Website

    A Broward Circuit Judge has ruled that Broward Supervisor of Elections Brenda Snipes must release voter records, requested by Gov. Rick Scott’s campaign for the U.S. Senate, by 7 p.m. today.

    In an emergency hearing Friday afternoon, Judge Judge Carol-Lisa Phillips ruled that Snipes had violated Florida’s Public Records Act by not responding to the Scott campaign’s requests for ballot information in a reasonable amount of time.

    “This court finds, once again, that Broward County is under the microscope and being viewed by the entire nation,” Phillips said during the hearing Nov. 9, referencing prior electoral controversies in the county. “This court finds that there has been a violation of the Florida Constitution. Supervisor Snipes shall allow for the immediate inspection of the requested records.”

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/broward-judge-orders-immediate-release-102648506.html

  95. Anon[297] • Disclaimer says:

    “I could have never imagined even 10 years ago- when I used to watch Morning Joe and The Colbert Report and was happy Obama best McCain- that it would start to unwind so quickly”

    You ain’t seen nothing yet. Wait until Europe kicks out the US once the United States goes majority non-European. Let’s be honest, a lot of the affinity between the two continents is due to similar demographics (well, back during the Cold War), culture, and the dream of some Europeans to move to the US and become actors, businessmen, or famous in some way; it’s not because of “muh principles” or anything like that – similar peoples get along. But why would the EU of the future want to be ruled over by a nation that is 1) not European 2) hates native Europeans and European culture 24/7 on TV and race-swaps all of its white cultural icons like Superman and the Witcher characters (Netflix)? You already see hints of this with Macron’s call for an EU army and the EU-Russia-China alliance to skirt US sanctions on Iran.

    Currently, there is a lot of identification between Europe’s dissident right and America’s dissident right, but once the republican party is extinguished by demographics, how long will it be until a guy like Macron tries to divert attention away from EU troubles by uniting both right and left against a hateful, majority minority United States – a country that will be rightly blamed as the source of Europe’s multicultural infection?

    Oh, and Japan will kick out the US for similar reasons within the next few decades as a peace offering to a rising China; besides, I also can’t imagine them wanting to be ruled over by guys like Mohamed or Jorge when it’s really guys like Mike and George whom they idolize. In fact, they wouldn’t believe that the Estados Unidos would come to their defense anyway (they won’t – browns ain’t into that military spending and dying in foreign wars thing). And a hateful left already despises them on social media for not destroying their country via immigration – having a supposedly “racist” immigration policy, as if preserving the homeland of your native people for thousands of years is in any way “racist”, especially since the whole of the US serves as a stark example of what it can do over the long term. Expect the radical left to further ruin things with that country by demanding they take in massive numbers of non-Asian foreigners. Hm, peace with China and no demographic transformation or peace with a majority non-white USA that demands your destruction as tribute for their favor and blessings? When the time comes, that won’t be even be a choice.

    South Korea has more-or-less already kicked out the US from Seoul to make peace with North Korea. Shortly after, I expect China to roll up the non-committal, politically and racially-divided US from Vietnam and the rest of the Indochina region rather quickly, perhaps within five or six years. Then, it’s on to conquering Australia via demographic transformation. By 2060, Australia could be majority Chinese and could even host the Chinese navy and airforce. China is already their largest trading partner and one of their prime ministers back before that nutty feminist was in office was fluent in Mandarin.

    Troubling times ahead. Watch your head and get a raincoat. This thing is going to produce a massive geopolitical tsunami on its way down.*

    *The US won’t literally collapse domestically. Rather, it will collapse into a despotic, corrupt and terrible place to live for all but the ultra rich – an evil police state with no freedoms as we knew them in prior eras like the 1970s. Its relative power in the world, however, will collapse, producing a massive tectonic disturbance in the process. You will remember where you were when it happened.

    • Replies: @Dtbb
  96. Anon[384] • Disclaimer says:

    “very similar to how they screamed and yelled for the last 4 or 5 years that “NO DEMERCRATS ANYWHERE WUNT OPEN BORDERS, CONSPIRUSY CRACKPOT RAYSUSTS.”

    Sociopathology, single-minded self-interest, and Machiavellian tenancies characterize the Left. Say one thing but do another if it advances one’s own interest. This explains why middle-aged white ladies can flee heavily black areas like Richmond for “good schools” (no blacks) but then also tell a reporter that she voted for the same party that produced the very problem she fled from; democracy is truly a farce. Good societies are characterized by having a large number of patriotic conservatives who run things (Japan and China for example – even the left in S. Korea is conservative on immigration). Having self-interested, sociopathic liberals – which seems to be an especially large problem in the West – in charge is a sign of a decaying society on its way out from the world stage. We used to have mechanisms to lock them out of power, but mass media capture and immigration changed that, plus the inherent flaws in the personalities of center-right conservatives like Jeff Sessions contributed (pathological altruism, fixation on “doing the right thing”, and playing by the rules and naively assuming the other side will, too).

  97. J.Ross says: • Website

    In Broward County, where the current election supervisor has multiple convictions for vote rigging, recently found 80,000 post-deadline votes, blocked the election commission building with four rented moving trucks full of ballots, and was just ordered by a judge to suffer an inspection because of her suspicious conduct, Scott Israel’s sherriff office (that would be the one that let a mass shooting happen, attacked policemen from other districts who attempted to save kids, and did nothing about a lawyer who was found dead on a beach after investigating Debbie Wasserman Schulz; oh and they have a department lamborghini) has announced a free public paper shredding event. That’s what sherriffs do, right? They receive and shred large quantities of paper, no questions asked?

    https://fortlauderdaleonthecheap.com/broward-sheriffs-office-offers-free-shredding-gift-cards-old-prescriptions/

  98. J.Ross says: • Website

    Anon said: Democrats have refused a direct court order that they deliver ballot paperwork by 7pm EST tonight.

    Then then banned all cameras from filming “recounts” so now all the news channels are suing them!

  99. J.Ross says: • Website

    But one more. Remember the Sayoc hoax-bombs that were claimed to have been mailed from Florida, even though they had no postal markings (and traveled with remarkable speed)? They were mailed, according to the official story, though this post office. This post office which now has stacks and stacks of uncounted ballots.
    https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/miami-ballots-are-still-inside-opa-locka-post-office-10899192

  100. eah says:

  101. LondonBob says:
    @Ancient Briton

    Good point, you tend to have more than one question on the ballot.

    I suppose blatant vote fraud makes sense, they already have legal liability from the Fusion GPS scam why not cover up one crime with another?

  102. Anonymous[505] • Disclaimer says:

    I don’t know about how it went where you were voting on Tuesday, but at the center where I was voting, all 3 of the machines to scan the ballots mysteriously weren’t working, and all the ballots had to be ‘counted by hand’.

    Even one not working should be odd given that, especially in this environment of concerns about voting issues, that those in charge would have carefully checked a machine in the days, weeks, months ahead to be sure it was working. And it is not like the machines had undergone heavy use- I went to vote in the morning before work, before the majority of voters descended on the center. But all 3 not working strikes me as a bit suspicious.

  103. jill says:

    Democrat party leader led voter fraud ring. Rumor has it that he will soon be hired by Broward County ( snarc )

    A Fort Worth woman recently indicted on voter fraud charges paid others involved in the scheme with funds provided by a former Tarrant County Democratic Party leader, court documents filed this week say.

    After learning about a state investigation, Leticia Sanchez — one of four women arrested and indicted on voter fraud charges — allegedly directed her daughter to send a text message to others in the scheme, urging them not to cooperate with investigators, state officials say.

    The allegations are made in the state’s notice of intent to introduce evidence in Sanchez’s criminal case, where statee officials say she was among those who collaborated to vote for certain down-ballot candidates with a number of north side residents’ mail-in ballots.

    The notice, filed Tuesday, states that Sanchez engaged in organized criminal activity in collaboration with her three co-defendants; Stuart Clegg, a former executive director for the Tarrant County Democratic Party; and others.

    https://www.star-telegram.com/news/politics-government/election/article220540115.html

  104. Lot says:
    @David

    Thanks. The Salon article Steve linked to said 26.

    Perhaps the Salon author didn’t realize there was a second round of prosecutions.

    58/62 convictions? Nobody pled out? That’s amazing, never heard anything like this. Though political corruption cases go to trial a lot more than other criminal cases. Something about politicians and their flunkies creates overconfidence about jury trials.

  105. Dtbb says:
    @Anon

    I think we are due for a coup.

  106. Nachum says:

    Newspaperman Bradlee, of course, never wrote a word.

    Twelve years later, though, boy did he get back at Nixon.

    That’s how you get Tom Hanks to play you.

  107. @LondonBob

    Schweikart’s been off on everything. Or rather he was the only one on until exactly the point Fox called the house out of nowhere. Since then he’s been wrong about everything. Make of that what you will.

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