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Science journalist Matt Ridley, a.k.a. 5th Viscount Ridley, tweets:

If true, I suspect this has something to do with the high death rates among blacks in the U.S. and Europe, who tend to not get enough Vitamin D from the sun in northern latitudes while bundled up against the chill.

Also, it would make the Establishment’s War on sunbathing at beaches and parks especially perverse.

 
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  1. anon[358] • Disclaimer says:

    Big pharma can’t make any money off of stuff like vitamins and minerals. Expensive drug compounds and rushed-to-market vaccines are much more profitable. I’m afraid that there is no reason for the Main $tream Media to publicize the efficacy of vitamin D.

  2. PaceLaw says:

    Increasingly, science is backing up the importance of Vitamin D. The Wall Street Journal recently ran an article on this subject as well.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/vitamin-d-and-coronavirus-disparities-11587078141?commentId=c0ea6a8c-a659-4a18-93db-88864510289b#comments_sector

  3. Anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m mightily surprised that some nasty little jerk of a loud mouthed low browed American ‘registered Democrat’ of lawyer, wanting to act out the part of the All-American Christ, namely Atticus Finch, hasn’t started making loud braying noises accusing His Holiness The Almighty and All Powerful Sun, to whom all human life is mere maggots, of “Discrimination” and oh his even more shocking “Racial Discrimination” – the *ULTIMATE* blasphemy.

    In the way of Americans loud mouthed braying shouting and screaming about ‘minorities’ is *the* highest law and moral power.

    Alas, good ol’ Solar Invictus, the King Almighty, just wrings his hands and tells the braying donkeys to Fuck Off.

    • Replies: @Anon242
    , @SunBakedSuburb
  4. XD says:

    What kind of person has Vit D deficiency in Indonesia? I’d guess people who are so bedridden that they don’t go out much.

    • Agree: Anonymous (n)
    • Replies: @anon
    , @greysquirrell
    , @Anon
    , @JWW
  5. orborborb says:

    Fat people store more vitamin d in their fat cells and have much less circulating in the blood to be measured by blood tests. Giving such people vitamin d supplements that raise the measured vitamin d in the blood has repeatedly shown no benefits in a wide variety of studies which suggests to me that it’s just the obesity itself that is the problem.

  6. angmojo says:

    Actually, most Indonesians avoid the scorching tropical sun, preferring instead (like normal humans) to stay indoors in their air-conditioned cars and megamalls. Melanin and ever-increasing obesity levels of developing world probably only amplify the problem.

    • Replies: @Anthony Aaron
  7. I’ve had occasion to visit many old people’s homes – or whatever they call them now – and it’s noticeable that the large majority have a dedicated internal garden space for residents and that this area is invariably empty. Inside there is only the ubiquitous glare of fluorescent lighting.

    • Replies: @Old Prude
    , @Lugash
  8. Science journalist Matt Ridley, a.k.a. 5th Viscount Ridley,

    His paternal line of ancestors has been named Matthew White Ridley for eight successive generations. They’ve lived in the same house since 1698.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viscount_Ridley

  9. Might this have something to do with the whole “smokers get Covid-19 less often”? If you’re a smoker, chances are you’ll be smoking outside, thus more Vitamin D from sunlight.

    A plausible connection, at least.

    • LOL: The Alarmist
    • Replies: @Travis
  10. @PiltdownMan

    I believe Gladstone elevated his great-great-great-grandfather to the peerage for his help.

  11. Science journalist Matt Ridley, a.k.a. 5th Viscount Ridley, tweets:

    Hmm yes, interesting, but word on the street is that the 6th Duke of Moctezuma de Tultengo, honorary bishop of Shartres Cathedral, has advised a combined course of hypoxyharlequin, vitamin C, tuning forks, hair of the dogshite, Shop-Vac suction, and Mrs. Dash original blend time-release suppositories.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • LOL: Meretricious
  12. JimB says:

    Also, it would make the Establishment’s War on sunbathing at beaches and parks especially perverse.

    And racist.

    • LOL: Anonymous (n)
  13. Isn’t Vitamin D one of those conspiracy theory wonder drugs?

    Closing the beaches and ordering people to stay inside is beyond perverse … it signals what TPTB really want, which is for us to die.

    • Agree: Currier House
  14. Every year 7,230 Americans die from melanoma caused by UV radiation.

    I can’t believe you are being so cavalier with the deadly UV radiation emitted by our yellow sun. Don’t you even read the news? Former Liverpool star loses skin cancer battle. People are dropping like flies.

    We need to ban going outside during the day. Face coverings like balaclavas should be worn by essential workes that need to venture out during the day. We need time for scientists to come up with some kind of aerosol to spray in the stratosphere to block UV radiation.

  15. Anon[174] • Disclaimer says:

    They have to do a special blood test to determine vitamin D deficiency. It’s weird that anyone would have even thought to do this, unless he was data dredging and p-hacking, which would make the results suspicious.

    • Replies: @res
  16. I don’t doubt there is some advantage to having healthy Vit D levels, but I do wonder to what extent the data is influenced by confounders. It seems pretty obvious to me that people with adequate Vit D levels are in general healthier than those with low levels, whether by virtue of being active enough to get sufficient sun exposure or conscientious enough about their health to supplement. So there are probably two independent elements at play here: Vit D helping to stave off Covid directly, and Vit D being a surrogate for good health which in itself obviously contributes to a favorable prognosis.

  17. Also, going to parks and beaches is fun. And how can anyone have fun when people are dying, especially ones who are only alive thanks to modern medicine?

  18. @PiltdownMan

    Look at that classic example of a bug-eyed Anglo.

  19. I’ve been using vitamin & mineral (12+10) supplements for years, each day. Vitamin D is 200% of the recommended daily dose.

    Perhaps it helps; perhaps- not.

    Anyway, it doesn’t hurt.

    • Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian
  20. Clyde says:

    NOW Supplements, Vitamin D-3 5,000 IU, High Potency is what to buy

    The liver controls Vitamin D distribution. So with most Americans having fatty liver they will not be helped by the beach or sunbathing. They should take D out of a plastic bottle

  21. @Hippopotamusdrome

    More Droll than Troll. Nice one.

  22. @Anonymous (n)

    The link between low levels of VitD and increased vulnerability to respiratory illness has a causative mechanism: VitD plays an active role in the immune system. B and T cells (immune cells) have VitD receptors, and their action (and the immune system more generally) are modulated by VitD.

    VitD is being rightly recognised as the underlying reason why folk remedies work… things like cod liver oil and putting patients outside in the ‘clean air’. Turns out the efficacy of the latter almost certainly has nothing to do with the air – and everything to do with doses of sunshine that help generate endogenous production of VitD, which is superior to supplemental VitD).

    As I’ve said elsewhere during the Corona hypefest, VitD is a key thing because of its contribution to immune system function, specifically linked to the upper respiratory tract. VitD deficiency is widespread (and recommended blood levels are almost certainly too low to begin with).

    A good review of all the immunological literature on VitD specifically is Aranow (2011) “Vitamin D and the immune systemJournal of investigative medicine : the official publication of the American Federation for Clinical Research vol. 59,6 (2011): pp881-6.

    TL;DR: Claims of VitD efficacy aren’t just the result of associative studies. There have been plenty of studies though – basically trying to get an equal effect for supplemental D3, as an individual would get from 15 minutes of direct sunlight on the forearms.

    And as for direct relevance to colds and flu: Martineau et al (2017) Vitamin D supplementation to prevent acute respiratory tract infections: systematic review and meta-analysis of individual participant data. BMJ, 2017 (be aware this is a meta-analysis, and the effect wasn’t that strong).

    A second thing for people to think about is likewise iodine. Most people are very deficient (because modern fresh produce is deficient, and ‘standard’ food is even worse). Iodine plays a key role in T3 and T4 thyroid hormone production; fluoride – from water and toothpaste – crowds out iodine in the thyroid, resulting in drastically low levels of T3 and T4 which downregulates metabolism and immune response.

    • Agree: Mark G.
    • Thanks: Old Prude
    • Replies: @Kyle
  23. Rickets, which is caused by vitamin D and calcium deficiency was once a pretty common disease, for example in Roman times it was widespread, but pretty much eliminated in children in developed countries due to Vitamin D being added to milk and other food products

    Elderly people have a higher risk of having a vitamin D deficiency due to a combination of several risk factors, including: decreased sunlight exposure, decreased intake of vitamin D in the diet, and decreased skin thickness which leads to further decreased absorption of vitamin D from sunlight.

    This is why elderly, frail people, such as those found in nursing homes are predisposed to osteoporosis. This looks very much like the same population as is vulnerable to COVID-19.

    I try to boost my Vitamin D levels here in sunny Florida by doing my mowing and yardwork clad in shorts with no shirt. (But not long enough to get deeply tanned.) I wonder if having a suntan has a predictive value for COVID-19 infection, morbidity, and mortality.

  24. anon[609] • Disclaimer says:
    @XD

    They’re Muslims, so the women are covered up. There’s a wet season where the sun doesn’t come out much. They’re fairly brown anyway, which makes it harder for UV-A and B rays to penetrate the skin.

    • Replies: @Simon Tugmutton
  25. @Hippopotamusdrome

    Australia has had a scare campaign about melanoma for most of my adult life – then there was an immunotherapy trial about 10 years ago that did marvellous things (so long as the person with melanoma got on top of it reasonably early) and nowadays it really seems like you have to ignore it – or be unlucky enough to have a really aggressive case.

    A local Sportsball star – a guy called Roughead, who does indeed have a rough head – had an obvious melanoma on his lower lip, and had it cut out in 2015.

    In 2016 it was discovered that it had metastasised (usually a very very very very very bad sign).

    He had a couple more operations, then had immunotherapy starting in June… by December he was all clear, and the following March he was back playing one of the most gruelling sportsball games that exists. And although he was pushing 30 at the time, he had a fantastic season – he retired last year.

    A colleague of mine had the same treatment, 18 months after Roughead, for a melanoma on his lip that had tendrils going halfway round his head. The treatment took about 8 weeks and he never so much as lost his hair.

    7 years before Roughead’s diagnosis, a former player called Jim Stynes had a metastatic melanoma that was discovered late: he only lived 3 years with immunotherapy as it stood at the time (most people would’ve been lucky to live a year on the normal radio/chemotherapy at the time). The claim is that if the treatment Roughie got had been available, Stynes might have been treatable.

  26. @PiltdownMan

    The Ridleys have an interesting custom that at a certain age the father retires from living in the big house on the family estate to a small house on the estate, and his son and heir moves into the family seat.

    • Replies: @Gordo
    , @Old Palo Altan
  27. @Jonathan Mason

    I try to boost my Vitamin D levels here in sunny Florida by doing my mowing and yardwork clad in shorts with no shirt.

    That’s OK so long as you’re not fat.

    • Agree: AaronInMVD
  28. So it’s true, whiteness causes the black death rate to be higher.

    LOL.

    By the way, do Chinese people laugh like “ROR”?

    • LOL: Gordo
    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  29. @PiltdownMan

    Same house since 1698? My god. Imagine the clutter.

  30. @Anonymous (n)

    I do wonder to what extent the data is influenced by confounders.

    Very good observation, I had similar questions. Some casual googling indicates Vitamin D is likely effective and causal,
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/02/170216110002.htm ,

    There are plausible mechanisms
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3166406/
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5949172/

    and moderate sun, even middle and above latitudes is more effective than suppliments
    https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/vitamin-d-from-sun#time-of-day
    wearing a tank top and shorts for 10–30 minutes three times per week during the summer should be sufficient for most people with lighter skin. People with darker skin may need a bit longer than this.

    Some other gleanings, avoiding deficiency is more useful than mega-dosing. Elderly are more susceptible to vitamin D insufficiency

  31. @anon

    It is only UV-B that reacts in the skin to produce vitamin D; UV-A is harmful and excess exposure should be avoided. Ironic that typical sunscreen blocks UV-B and lets UV-A through; ironic too (and symptomatic of the gigantic clusterfuck the UK authorities have made of this virus) that the police here are stopping people from sunbathing.

    Steve, you might consider posting about these Covid apps (the Google-Apple one and the festering heap of spyware released by the British NHS). I’m sure your commentariat will have quite a bit of informed opinion thereupon.

  32. anon[609] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kratoklastes

    There’s no association between Melanoma and sunlight, though the Aussie misinfo campaigns never let on.
    UV-C is blocked by the Ionosphere, the only way to get melanoma is working under unshielded Fluorescent Lighting.
    Common victims are women in indoor jobs, Melbourne is pretty dull in winter anyway and footballers don’t train or pay in the middle of the day when the sun is out.

  33. Kyle says:
    @Kratoklastes

    Salt is iodized in the USA and Canada. I don’t think most Americans are very deficient.

    • Replies: @GeraldB
    , @Reg Cæsar
  34. peterike says:
    @Kratoklastes

    So I was curious about immunotherapy, and Google brought me to a New York cancer clinic. I took a look at the doctors. Wow. Talk about multi-culturalism in the medial profession. It’s really pretty astonishing how far it’s gone.

    https://www.nycancer.com/doctors

    • Replies: @Bragadocious
  35. moshe says:

    OT:

    Alex Jones is hungry.

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  36. Gordo says:
    @Steve Sailer

    The Ridleys have an interesting custom that at a certain age the father retires from living in the big house on the family estate to a small house on the estate, and his son and heir moves into the family seat.

    That’s common amongst farmers where I live, they move from the big house to the cot house once the eldest son is married and takes on the bulk of the farm work.

    • Replies: @Cortes
  37. Travis says:
    @al-Gharaniq

    nicotine shows incredible promise in the fight against the Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19) as both a preventive and curative remedy…we have 80 percent less smokers in Covid patients than in the general population of same sex and same age…Nicotine effectively stops the virus from propagating, acting as a type of brake that keeps disease from forming. https://www.medicine.news/2020-04-25-world-renowned-neurobiologist-says-nicotine-extract-protect-against-coronavirus.html

    There is structural evidence supporting the hypothesis that SARS-CoV-2 virus is a nicotinic agent. The nicotinic acetylcholine receptor (nAChR) plays a key role in the pathophysiology of Covid-19 infection and might represent a target for the prevention and control of Covid-19 infection….nicotine down regulates the expression and/or activity of ACE2 …. Interestingly, 𝛼7 agonists, including nicotine, have proven to be effective in reducing macrophage cytokine production and inflammation…
    https://www.qeios.com/read/FXGQSB

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2214750020302924

    • Thanks: The Alarmist
    • Replies: @anon
  38. Also, it would make the Establishment’s War on sunbathing at beaches and parks especially perverse.

    You’re gradually distancing yourself now but when it comes to the CoronaPanic, if you weren’t part of the Establishment, you were at least one of its cheerleaders.

    • Agree: Currier House
    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  39. @orborborb

    Fat people store more vitamin d in their fat cells and have much less circulating in the blood to be measured by blood tests.

    Lots of obese people in Indonesia:
    https://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2018/11/02/national-health-survey-finds-one-in-five-adults-obese.html

    So – the counterarguments sound depressingly good: As so often before Vitamin D might disappoint again.

    • Replies: @GermanReader2
  40. GeraldB says:
    @Kyle

    Cheap salt is iodized. The fancy pink stuff, or the kosher salt and sea salt promoted by chefs on the Food Network, is not. So while the hoi polloi are not deficient, the elites probably are.

    • Replies: @Lars Porsena
  41. Taking the long view, this is probably a big reason why white people are white. The darker hued simply died off in various pandemics because of vitamin D deficiency.

    • Replies: @orionyx
  42. GermanReader2 [AKA "GermanReader2_new"] says:
    @Dieter Kief

    They seem to use a different definition of obesity (BMI >= 27 instead of 30). I did a round trip in Java around 10 years ago and found that most people were slim and fat people stood out. However, all the fast food franchises were expanding, so people are probably fatter now.

    A bit off topic: I once read a book by a doctor specializing in adolescent obesity (Robert Lustig) and he commented that the threshold for metabolic syndrome seems to vary with race: he observed that in East Asians people became unhealthy with a bmi of 25 and up, whereas it was 30 for whites and 35 for blacks.

  43. @XD

    Asians avoid the sun if they can , because they don’t want darker skin.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    , @Wielgus
  44. Our old veterinarian from back in our dairy days referred to sunshine as Doctor Green. He always said Dr. Green was better at treating illness then anything he could do. The Democratic governors in particular want all of us rotting inside. Here in PA garden centers are shutdown, which they thankfully aren’t. They’re just not “open”…wink, wink. Luckily most local cops don’t care. Apparently they are tiring of the domestic violence calls. Now with all of this growing civil disobedience in a purple and blue states, how does this bode for the Democrats in the long run? That is something I am genuinely curious about.

  45. @Bardon Kaldian

    Well, actually it can have undesirable side effects.

    I was fairly heavily supplementing with Vitamin D3, as I take Nexium (esomeprazol) for an esophageal erosion (dangerous because lesions can go cancerous), likely due to a genetic legacy from my mother; but esomeprazole inhibits the uptake of calcium into the bones, for which D3 serves as a restorative. Also, I am asthmatic, & D3 can help with the chronic inflammatory process associated with this.

    But here is the rub. I developed a kidney stone, which upon analysis, was found to be of the common type; i.e., calcium-based. I was never advised by my then-urologist cum doofus not to supplement so much, so I blithely continued. No, it was left to my GP to notice the very high concentration of D3 found in a metabolic scan, and she advised me to discontinue supplementation, but without explanation as to why. I was skeptical, and investigated. D3 stores in the body, but only so much of it, and then it free-floats in the blood. And guess what this can lead to? Yes, calcitic kidney stones can be a result when a high level is excreted in the urine. Of course, my favored, and frequently consumed caffeinated beverage of black tea is also implicated in stone formation, and I now, regretfully, must ration my intake to a minimal amount.

    So, suitably chastened and enlightened, I dropped the supplementation, because I never want to have that problem again. Trust me, you don’t ever want to get kidney stones. I will make sure that my D3 level is checked when the next metabolic blood scan is done, and then react accordingly.

    There is a reason that your (caveat, competent) medical specialists want all of your intake of both prescription drugs, as well as over the counter drugs and supplements delineated precisely, and for this list to be updated as things change. Interactions, as well as gross levels of these present in your body can impact your prospects for good health.

  46. Old Prude says:
    @Henry's Cat

    They need to put the TV outside with Andy Griffith on a continuous loop then drag the oldsters back inside before sunburn sets in.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  47. Jack D says:
    @orborborb

    Once the population is receiving enough vitamins to avoid nutritional diseases (e.g. rickets) it’s tough to prove additional benefits to general health from further supplementation. Many studies have been tried and failed to show any measurable results, much to the disappointment of the supplements industry and vitamin fans. However, something like coronavirus might be an exception.

  48. Anonymous[305] • Disclaimer says:

    Data shows your best bet to avoid covid illness is

    Become homeless
    Walk around naked
    Start chain smoking

    No mask or hand washing necessary… heavy drinking and narcotics use is allowed. Sounds like satire but this demo is bulletproof.

    • Replies: @adreadline
  49. Anon[291] • Disclaimer says:
    @XD

    It’s a Muslim country. A lot of women are covered from head to toes. Also thanks to modern technology, the rich esp. are often indoors or in their cars in air conditioning.

  50. @Meretricious

    No, it’s a correction. That cathedral and city have been misspelled multiple times now.

    Look it up for yourself and see what happens:

    https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffcm&q=Shartres+Cathedral&ia=web

    • Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian
  51. JWW says:
    @XD

    Islamic women covered from head to toe when they go out.

    • Replies: @glib
  52. @Jonathan Mason

    Elderly people have a higher risk of having a vitamin D deficiency due to a combination of several risk factors, including: decreased sunlight exposure, decreased intake of vitamin D in the diet, and decreased skin thickness which leads to further decreased absorption of vitamin D from sunlight.

    Nursing homes, where the elderly are warehoused inside for weeks or months on end would seem to be tailor-made death traps for the proliferation of COVID-19.

    I know we harp on “kids these days,” and they probably do get much less outside play and consequent sun exposure than I did at the same ages, but is it possible that part of their ability to resist COVID-19 is a result of having more time outside than people of working age and the elderly?

    • Replies: @Anon
  53. Don’t be old, fat or crowded and get fresh air and sunlight. Where’s my MacArthur grant?

  54. @peterike

    And notice how Cuomo used the commie cold as a pretext to invite any Canadian “healthcare practitioner” to come here and help NY in its hour of need. To hell with licensing. Does that mean we’ll be getting denturists like this guy?

  55. Getaclue says:

    Were these like the recent VA study as to hydroxychloroquine? Here is a drug that has been ruled safe for decades, few side effects, and suddenly there are deaths in this “study” just in time for Big Pharma to discredit it and then push an “alternative” that is $1,000 a dose vs. the pennies for the other that cannot be patented.

    As the French Expert Dider Raoult and others pointed out it was rigged and run by a Doctor who was in bed with Big Pharma. How much of this goes on? We know thru the “Climate Change” bs that studies are rigged on a massive level — the premise itself in these “studies” is poisoned at the start, as many don’t know, Oil Man “Socialist” Rockefeller sycophant (now deceased) Maurice Strong rigged all Global Warming “studies” at the UN level going forward by banning any in the governing documents that would consider anything other than man made causes. Few know this rig/con is in. How many cons are in as to Vitamin studies and everything else?

    We know now with WHO and their “Models” and the “Expert” in London (predicting 2 million deaths in the USA from CV) that these “Models” are rigged and bs — they are set up to give the outcomes the NWO “Experts” want in order to cause hysteria and panic and bring in their Agenda. Anyone blindly trusting anything associated with Big Pharma or “modern” Medicine has no idea of the history as to either.

    The Rockefellers destroyed Medicine– few know the true history of what they did — they turned it from a healing profession into a pill pushing and radical surgery money making enterprise and destroyed anyone who stood in their way. They took over licensing and Colleges, all of it — people have no idea: https://www.corbettreport.com/episode-286-rockefeller-medicine/

    So the truth is no one knows how rigged any of the “studies” that come out that denigrate remedies that cannot be controlled by Big Pharma and/or are not going to make big money for organized “Medicine” are by these various forces. They don’t work in the Public interest –anyone who believes they do is ignorant or in on it. Many “Experts” now are no better than prostitutes — I used to hire them in my profession all the time for whatever was needed — you can get an “Expert” to say nearly anything for money — and it will be impeccably “Professional”, they will have great credentials, and it will be backed up with statistics etc. Caveat Emptor.

    • Agree: Mark G.
    • Replies: @Philip Owen
  56. Bill P says:

    Not to toot my own horn, but I already suggested here that this is the reason for NYC’S high death rate. There are lots of dark people in NYC living in a city at a latitude they are not adapted to, and the virus struck at the end of winter when vitamin D levels are at their lowest. This also explains Detroit and the heavy toll in parts of Sweden and Belgium where immigrants from the south are most highly concentrated.

    Unsurprisingly, blacks have fared much better in the deep South. It’s a lesson we learned over 300 years ago.

    • Replies: @glib
  57. Anon242 says:
    @Anonymous

    Don’t worry. You are not going crazy. It’s just a bad acid trip, and it will wear off.

  58. glib says:
    @JWW

    Indeed the world leader in rickets is Saudi Arabia. Amazing no?

  59. @GeraldB

    I can’t find any info on this at the moment, but most dietary iodine comes from the sea (seaweed and fish). Iodine deficiency typically occurs in populations who are far inland and don’t eat any seafood, or eat things that eat seafood.

    Iodine salts are present in seawater in very low amounts. It should be present in sea salt in some amount.

  60. glib says:
    @Bill P

    This is all correct. Mortality in the no-go zones in Stockholm is much higher than in the rest of Stockholm. And, when archeologists excavate Black Death mass graves, they find signs of rickets in the skeletons. It is always the malnourished who die first, specifically because their immune system is malnourished. Pills are a decent substitution for sunlight but not a panacea, because vit.D is a complex of many molecules but pills only have one.

    I have posted about vitamin D since the beginning of this mediatic storm. If you lock people up at a time when their vit. D stores are lowest you create an excess mortality wave, which is not necessarily small. Credit Steve for finally seeing the light. BTW in the paper, after correcting for gender, age, etc., the difference between the group below 20ng/ml and those above 30ng/ml is a factor of 10.1, not 19. Still a game changer for those who can think. Big Pharma will still push for mandatory vaccines.

    • Agree: JRB
  61. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:

    Not to toot my own horn, but I already suggested here that this is the reason for NYC’S high death rate. There are lots of dark people in NYC living in a city at a latitude they are not adapted to, and the virus struck at the end of winter when vitamin D levels are at their lowest. This also explains Detroit and the heavy toll in parts of Sweden and Belgium where immigrants from the south are most highly concentrated.

    I worked in corporate jobs in NYC for a time. At one point, I realized I rarely saw the sun. I was always in the shadows of skyscrapers walking to and from work. Didn’t get lunch until early afternoon. I took supplements anyway, so I never thought about vitamin d deficiency. I surmised that rarely getting direct sun might help in avoiding cancer.

    But I can vouch that regular briefcase-toting New Yorkers working midtown don’t never see no sun. 😔

  62. Anon[403] • Disclaimer says:

    I don’t think people properly understand the function of the cytokine storm. People treat it like it’s totally negative.

    The cytokine storm is a very Darwinian event that is aimed at preserving the human species. When your immune system detects that you have been hit by a massive viral invasion it can’t handle, your immune system then, quite rationally, tries to kill you as fast as possible.

    This helps preserve the survival of the people around you by killing off a dangerous disease carrier with an ultra-massive viral load, and thus helps the survival of the species. The primitive hunting and gathering tribes that the human species evolved in were very small groups, and one member with a massive viral load was a threat to the survival of them all. A cytokine storm that killed that diseased member quickly thus would save the lives of the rest of the tribe.

    Cytokine storms weed out those whose innate immune system (your first line of defense-mucous membranes, etc.) are inadequate for preventing viral infections. The invention of antibiotics has enabled the survival of people with weak innate immune systems. Nowadays, these people reproduce and increase their descendants instead of dying off. Covid-19 is killing them with cytokine storms.

    From a Darwinian point of view, if your innate immune system can’t fend off Covid-19, that’s a strong signal that your innate immune system can’t handle other diseases, and a later bout of flu, pneumonia, etc., has a good chance of killing you off or making you so sick you’re going to the hospital. And it’s these people, when they go to the hospital, who pass around their viruses to other patients already in there for other conditions, and kill them. If the carriers died quickly at home, those already in the hospital would be more likely to survive. You wouldn’t be getting pneumonia if you were post-op for a knee replacement, for example. Although hospitals like to save money by shoving you out the door as fast as possible, they also know they’re preventing secondary infections by getting you out of there fast.

    • Thanks: Coemgen
    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  63. Anon[403] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Walking home from school on a sunny day likely gives kids enough Vitamin D, if they spend at least 10 minutes at it. It also gives them exercise after sitting in a chair all day. Not sure how many of the kids being picked up by their mothers and driven home are doing.

    • Replies: @orionyx
  64. @PiltdownMan

    Definitely didn’t buy his own furniture.

  65. @JerseyJeffersonian

    I’m sorry to hear about your health problems (and I’m glad you’re better).

    I’ve read Earl Mindell’s “Vitamin Bible” (and some other works). As far as I know, you have to be cautious only with vitamin A; most others are simply excreted, especially C. Even big (not huge) doses of B complex, E, Omega 3, Q 10 … for some time, couldn’t hurt.

    My position is: supplements are good in moderate doses (especially if your diet could be inadequate); I don’t believe in Pauling’s orthomolecular medicine; as far as mega-doses go, a man should be cautious & not experiment with them.

    I had kidney sand crisis ca. 6 years ago, so yes, I think I know what you’re talking about…

  66. So, for over the counter potential prophylactics, we’ve got

    –Vitamin D
    –Pepcid AC
    –Zinc
    –Nicotine (is this OTC except via smoking?)

    Anything else?

  67. @Getaclue

    Dose matters. A prophylatic dose for malaria is less likely to trigger heart problems than a dose for treating an established CV10 infection. There is a need to cure more patients in the 3% sevre cases (most get better anyway) than are killed in the other 97%.

  68. “Also, it would make the Establishment’s War on sunbathing at beaches and parks especially perverse.”

    You mean the Democratic governors’ war on sunbathing. All this suffering is caused not by a mild cold virus, but by perverse Democratic governors.

    I wash my hands religiously after each gas or restroom stop when I travel from the PNW down to SoCal. If I don’t, I catch a Cali cold AND an Oregon cold every year, so I’ve learned my lesson. That is how rapidly coronavirums mutate. There will be no effective vaccine for kungflu.

    I think in the future I will demand that all gas stations and rest areas along the I-5 corridor close for 72 hours prior to my arrival and reopen to the locals only after I have arrived safely in SoCal. Sure, the locals are immune to their regional cold virus, but I am not and so they need to lockdown to keep me safe. They need to Stay Home Save Life. My life.

    This is the exact garbage I hear from bedwetting boomers and other various and assorted tards – healthy young people must stop living because they might infect a vulnerable geezer. NO! Vulnerable geezers are obliged to mask up and self-quarantine.

    This is and was beyond obvious two months ago, and yet Democratic governors essentially imposed my absurd I-5 lockdown mandate on their entire states, indefinitely. They are not stupid; they are malicious.

    This is a hoax.

  69. res says:
    @Anon

    Read the paper. The odds ratios are emphatic. This is not some p=0.04 after testing 50 hypotheses BS. It looks like the vitamin D status was in their medical records (this was a retrospective study). See my following comment for more.

  70. @candid_observer

    Nicotine (is this OTC except via smoking?)

    Yes, patches and lozenges are otc.

    • Replies: @Bill P
    , @Reg Cæsar
  71. res says:

    I am glad to see someone as prominent as Matt Ridley raising this issue.

    Commenter wren brought this Indonesian paper to our attention a few days ago in this comment:
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/nyt-falls-for-its-own-images-of-packed-shores/#comment-3869669

    Here is the paper:
    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3585561

    And since it is more on-topic here, my full response there reproduced below. In particular, notice that the odds ratios in a multivariate model including age, sex, and comorbidity were 7.63 and 10.12 for vitamin D insufficient and deficient status respectively. That is a huge effect. Compare to the univariate OR of 10.45 for being 50 or older.

    —-

    Thanks for that link. Here are the vitamin D levels corresponding to their statuses.

    1) normal – serum 25(OH)D of > 30 ng/ml, (2) insufficient – serum 25(OH)D of 21-29 ng/ml, and (3) deficient – serum 25(OH)D of < 20 ng/ml

    Those are fairly conventional numbers. Some doctors advocate for even lower thresholds:
    https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/vitamin-d-whats-right-level-2016121910893

    This article has a graphic which in conjunction with the numbers from that paper should give some food for thought.
    https://www.cooperinstitute.org/2017/09/22/vitamin-d-levels-in-the-us-population-are-getting-a-little-better-15776

    Table 1 of your paper has the numbers backing up your summary. It also gives demographic information for over/under 50, male/female, and with/out comorbidity.

    Table 2 and 3 have results for univariate models and Vitamin D status in a multivariate model respectively. After adjusting for age, sex, and comorbidity the mortality odds ratios for vitamin D status only drop from 12.55 to 7.63 for Insufficient and from 19.12 to 10.12 for deficient. For perspective, the univariate ORs for the other variables are 10.45 for 50 or older, 5.73 for male, and 11.24 for comorbidity. It would have helped if they had given the odds ratios for those variables in the multivariate model for comparison.

    Given how the odds ratios stays so elevated in the multivariate model I don’t think they were only detecting vitamin D status as a proxy for good health.

    P.S. Worth noting that the paper is from Indonesia and has not yet been peer reviewed.

    • Agree: wren
    • Replies: @wren
  72. @Anonymous

    “the All-American Christ, namely Atticus Finch”

    This is good. Although, Emmett Till is Risen every three months in the New York Times. And since Emmett was black, or rather, is black in His Eternal Glory, that makes him very Christ-like.

  73. @orborborb

    I was all for Vitamin D until I found out overdosing causes atrial fibrillation.

    • Replies: @anon
  74. Also, it would make the Establishment’s War on sunbathing at beaches and parks especially perverse.

    Blacks don’t go to the beach that much, do they? They’d up their Vitamin D by drinking more milk. They’re less lactose-tolerant, so they’d spit more.

    Watch where you step.

  75. Bill P says:
    @kaganovitch

    Don’t forget Red Man and Beech Nut!

  76. Sam says:

    Also, it would make the Establishment’s War on sunbathing at beaches and parks especially perverse.

    So sunbathing is good for you?

  77. GermanReader2 [AKA "GermanReader2_new"] says:
    @JerseyJeffersonian

    That is interesting. My brother once had a kidney stone and afterwards his doctor told him to drink more water and supplement magnesium, vitamin B12 and vitamin d.

  78. @Kyle

    Salt is iodized in the USA and Canada. I don’t think most Americans are very deficient.

    So the answer is poutine?

    Maple Bacon Sweet Potato Poutine

  79. Kyle says:
    @candid_observer

    Don’t forget the gin and tonic.

  80. @kaganovitch

    Yes, patches and lozenges are otc.

    Speaking of which, Joe Biden is from the only state with a lozenge on its flag. (I believe Trump’s is the only one with Justice.)

  81. Deborah says:

    Yes, it’s Vit D. My daughter caught the virus because she had very very low D , I took her some D3K7 2000 , magnesium, zinc, VitC with instruction at very high doses. She had body aches and a nasty one side sore throat. The symptoms subsided in a few days. She did not get worse and will return to her nursing duties this Thursday. She is white but that’s correct about dark skin people.
    We live in IA.

  82. OT, but one segment of the economy that must be making out like bandits are medical insurance companies. I’d guess that they must be paying out well less than half of what they did before.

    Have their been any stories about this in the media?

    • Replies: @Barnard
  83. @Reg Cæsar

    Blacks don’t go to the beach that much, do they? They’d up their Vitamin D by drinking more milk. They’re less lactose-tolerant, so they’d spit more.

    My understanding is that blacks are more likely to go picnicking/to cookouts than to patronize the beach, a practice which is either preferred by them, dictated by economics, or a combination of both. It sort of tracks by timing and frequency with the white population’s rush to shore points or mountain homes.

    In the summertime in Philadelphia you will see these large gatherings in the parks (i.e., Fairmount Park) where blacks will set up tables and chairs and canopies together with some open-fire cooking apparatus building to large numbers on the weekends. It’s sort of a form of short term camping. The vast majority of Philadelphia’s Great Migration legacy blacks originated in the Carolinas, so I imagine that there was a preexisting cultural practice that was adapted to the new urban environment (one with lots of planned park space) probably originating in the barbecue culture of the rural Carolinas.

    Historically, Atlantic City was the sole shore point in New Jersey with a significant population of blacks, who did in fact patronize the beaches there – in a particular area called “Chicken Bone Beach” which earned its name due to the collection of discarded chicken bones from the sand by the municipal authorities.

    Today even though Atlantic City is plurality black you don’t really see many blacks patronizing the beaches even though beach access is fairly easy given the boardwalk and public restrooms. The beach just doesn’t seem to be a favored black American experience.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Testing12
  84. @Jonathan Mason

    Throw some vitamins, K, A, & E in the mix to get the calcium to the bones.

  85. @Reg Cæsar

    Blacks go to the beach plenty in Bermuda and the Caribbean. Maybe there is something in U S culture.

  86. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    Apparently you’ve never heard of Montezuma’s Revenge. You might want to duck duck go look it up, then read comment number 2 in the Duke of Moctezuma thread.

  87. Lugash says:
    @Henry's Cat

    From talking to the staff at a memory care facility they said the same thing, but the large windows allowed in a lot of light, which helped regulate the patients sleep cycle and sleep at night.

  88. If true, I suspect this has something to do with the high death rates among blacks in the U.S. and Europe, who tend to not get enough Vitamin D from the sun . . .

    The Science is Settled: Whites are solar-powered, and the Sun is therefore racist!

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  89. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    Hate to break this to you, but the original post with “Shartres” Cathedral was totally tongue in cheek, and this spelling was in conformity with this.

    In the vulgar parlance, to shart means to shit one’s pants while farting, as in, “Oh my God, I just sharted!”

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=shart

    These kids today…

    • Replies: @anon
  90. DougFir says:
    @Kratoklastes

    On the pattern of Loughead = Lockheed, shouldn’t he be called Rockheed?

  91. @candid_observer

    EGCG which is found in green tea and quercetin. Both tend to allow zinc to get into the cells like hydroxychloroquine. One should consume some vitamin K2 with vitamin D3 to make sure calcium goes to the bones and not the arteries. Sauerkraut is a good food source of K2.

    • Agree: Mark G.
  92. @Hypnotoad666

    The Science is Settled: Whites are solar-powered, and the Sun is therefore racist!

    So contra Leonard Jeffries, it’s the Whites who are Sun People and the Blacks who are Ice People!

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
  93. ColRebSez says: • Website
    @JerseyJeffersonian

    I wish you had told us how MUCH Vitamin D you were taking as a supplement. Some people go overboard, and it is not healthy to take way too much D, as you found out.

    • Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian
  94. @kaganovitch

    So contra Leonard Jeffries, it’s the Whites who are Sun People and the Blacks who are Ice People!

    Exactly. We let the sun shine in.

  95. FPD72 says:

    A company in Israel claims to have developed an antibody treatment for those infected by the SARS-CoV-2 virus.

    https://m.jpost.com/health-science/iibr-completes-development-phase-of-covid-19-vaccine-626913/amp?__twitter_impression=true

    Here’s the money quote from the article:

    “I am proud of the Biological Institute staff, who have made a major breakthrough,” said Defense Minister Naftali Bennett on Monday after visiting the Ness Ziona-based lab. “Jewish creativity and ingenuity brought about this amazing achievement.”

    So it’s ok to boast of the scientific achievements of your ethnic group? Who knew?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  96. MrLiberty says:

    Bill Sardi on Lewrockwell’s website has been broadcasting this truth since late March, as has Dr. Brownstein, and countless others. OF COURSE ITS TRUE. The problem is that nobody bothered to check their D or Zinc levels upon admission, so these nutritional deficiencies, that could have been corrected in hours or days, lingered for many until they were DEAD!! Western medicine knows NOTHING about nutrition or the role of key vitamins and minerals in HEALTH. Medical malpractice is a 24/7 M.O. of the western medical, government-protected CARTEL.

  97. Redman says:
    @Jack D

    My GP prescribed me a month long vitamin supplement a couple years ago. She said I was a bit deficient.

    I had a follow up a month later and my level had apparently improved. But she didn’t continue or even tell me to consider maintaining a regimen of supplementing. If my natural lifestyle and diet wasn’t giving me enough vitamin D in the first place (according to my blood chart) why not continue the supplemental regimen? Does that make sense?

    I’ve heard as you say, that vitamin supplements don’t provide additional benefits if your body is healthy and producing what it needs naturally. But this vitamin D thing was a conundrum to me.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  98. Barnard says:
    @candid_observer

    I would assume their premium dollars collected is also declining as people lose their jobs and decline to go on COBRA. They still should be coming out ahead as the decline in payments for services would be even more than the decline in premiums though.

  99. anon[328] • Disclaimer says:
    @obwandiyag


    I was all for Vitamin D until I found out overdosing causes atrial fibrillation.

    Got a source for that?

    This study
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4416919/
    found no causal link in elderly people.

  100. I’m 69 and have lived my entire life in the Detroit area. We basically have 7 months of cloudy November for our winter. I always feel sun-deprived and have driven to Florida at least 40 times since 1960 to get my March or April sun tan. That always cured my winter viral respiratory illnesses. What does “science” say? I’ve told that there was no time to do a double-blind detailed study to show the “science” behind running the college kids off the sunny Florida beach. Why don’t the Lockdowners have to show some double-blind studies in support of imploding the economy?

    Abstract
    COVID-19 is killing African Americans at a rate 7% to 193% higher than the general population. Understanding why, as well as the reasons behind the wide variation, is paramount to saving lives. Here, we test two potential explanations for this effect. On the one hand, African Americans might be dying more because they have a lower average income (‘the Socioeconomic Hypothesis’). On the other hand, they might be dying more because their skin is more resistant to UV radiation, as we previously showed that COVID-19 infections and deaths decrease with higher irradiance (‘the Irradiance Hypothesis’). The two hypotheses are not mutually exclusive. We show that the overrepresentation of African Americans among COVID-19 deaths shows a significant negative correlation with mean solar irradiance, with a 20% decrease in Global Horizontal Irradiance leading to a 76% increase in the overrepresentation of African Americans amongst COVID-19 deaths. We then show that in Michigan, one of the US states with the lowest irradiance in early April, the % of each county’s population that is black, more than its median income, median age or % of the population above 65 years old, predicts COVID-19 morbidity and mortality rates. These results suggest a susceptibility linked to low irradiance may play a large role in African American vulnerability to COVID-19, and that black populations in (darker) locations with lower irradiance may benefit from sunlight exposure during the COVID-19 pandemic.

    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3571699

    • Thanks: wren
    • Replies: @res
    , @Faraday's Bobcat
  101. anon[328] • Disclaimer says:
    @JerseyJeffersonian

    Way to ruin the joke, dude.

    These kids today…

    These Boomers…

    • Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian
  102. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Just down the Garden State Parkway at Coast Guard boot camp, nearly all the blacks were in remedial swimming class. That was the ’70s; it’s probably just as true today.

    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
  103. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @Redman

    People who show animals supplement their animals diets, from horses to cats to dogs. Why would they waste the money if supplementation didn’t produce better results? It’s not like someone with a champion racehorse or show dog isn’t anal retentive as hell regarding their animals health, and what enhances peak performance.

    However, from what I’ve read, and personal experience, supplementation really works along with exercising 3 times a week for an hour or so. Doing just one or the other depletes overall results. Ya gotta do both to register a significant change in physical performance. Apparently you don’t even have to work out that hard. Just generally getting your ass in gear produces results. It shifts the entire paradigm of how your metabolism conducts its business. For a generally sedentary person, diet, supplementation, and excercise simply shifts their metabolism from sluggish to efficient. If challenged by the Wuhan virus, you really want your metabolism to be as efficient as you can make it. It can really cut the bullshit.

    Most American metabolisms, past middle-age, just aren’t up and at ’em enough, and that’s why they get hosed, imo.

  104. @Federalist

    Agree. Sailer’s testicular fortitude did seem to have abandoned him.

    • Replies: @HA
  105. If you get your Vitamin D from the sun there’s no issue with dosage. Your body simply stops production when you reach the optimal level. (Optimal levels appear to be very, very high). Sun allows you to megadose on vitamin D without ill effect, unlike artificial supplementation.

    IIRC new research suggests you can produce Vitamin D at lower sun angles and on cloudier days than previously thought.

    Note that hunter-gatherers are generally darker at the same latitude and the pale skin of many Caucasians and Fancy Asians is a relatively recent adaptation. One theory is that when we switched to agriculture we no longer got much Vitamin D from food, which was critical in the winter. One takeaway is that white skin should be able to produce plenty of Vitamin D even at northern latitudes.

  106. @Anon

    The cytokine storm is a very Darwinian event that is aimed at preserving the human species. When your immune system detects that you have been hit by a massive viral invasion it can’t handle, your immune system then, quite rationally, tries to kill you as fast as possible.

    I thought species level selection, at the expense of the individual was verboten by Darwinian theory?

  107. Anon[340] • Disclaimer says:

    In many European countries, new Covid-19 cases are on a steep decline. I suspect what’s causing this decline are ‘soft’ geographic barriers. For example, the majority of people don’t leave their own town for months at a time. They travel for holidays and vacations. In between these times, one’s personal travel pattern consists of work, home, grocery store, and a few usual activity spots. When all the people in this pattern have been exposed to the virus, they either die, get sick and recover, or are too healthy to get sick and have no symptoms. Eventually, the virus has done all the damage it can within your local travel pattern, and then secondarily, within your town limits. The virus will vanish on its own once it’s run out of people to infect within their barriers.

    But there will be another outbreak if an infected person goes travelling to an untouched region. Most of the counties in the US have had only a very few cases, and most US citizens haven’t gotten sick or been exposed. If people would stay put in their own towns, we’d see the end of Covid-19 before any vaccine develops. Many European countries are heading that way if you look at their new case statistics. It’s the people who just have to travel who are causing the problems.

  108. dvorak says:

    Look, I’m taking a D supplement because I’m staying out of the sun more than usual. But has causation been addressed in the quoted research?

    Spurious correlations are legion in nutrition science. Even when the correlation is genuine, supplementation trials often fail; i.e. there is no causation.

  109. Goatweed says:

    Any Zinc is good?

    OT: feeling good about myself, my BMI is lower than HalfThor’s.

  110. Anon[174] • Disclaimer says:

    Its long-been common knowledge among serious supplement users that Vitamin D is associated with decreased rates of lung maladies, though I also believe that how the evidence plays out in reality may not be as simple as that. Vitamin A, D’s more or less opposite actor, is positively associated with increased rates of lung infection and possibly cancer.

    However, Vitamin D has a pronounced insulin desensitizing effect for me (which A reverses). D isn’t all positive. My advice would be to cycle D and A or take them in ratio to one another.

    What is also unknown is the long term effect of years of regular D use. With something that can possibly affect the lungs, an intermittent use schedule might be smarter.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  111. @Anonymous

    And there’s more: this strategy is also 100% guaranteed to protect you from afflictions like Parkinson’s or old timers’ diseese.

  112. @Old Prude

    LOL. Drag ’em in before the old men get too horny watching Aunt Bea, you mean. “Get back inside and gum down that creamed corn.”

  113. res says:
    @wren

    It’s an interesting article. What did you think of it?

    I’m a little bothered by the “racist” comment in the sub-headline and some of the black/white commentary in the article. But focusing on the papers the article references.

    Vitamin D Supplements and Prevention of Cancer and Cardiovascular Disease
    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1809944

    That looks better than many negative supplement studies I have seen. They at least use a decent dose of vitamin D (2000 IU/day) and marine omega-3 FAs (1g/day). Though I don’t think those doses are as high as supplement advocates typically recommend or study.

    I am a bit concerned about their comments concerning outside supplementation given their failure to show the before/after vitamin D results for the placebo group. Figure S1(B) shows that for the supplement group. Also, comparing Figure S1(B) to Figure S1(A) it is clear that the supplement group had lower baseline vitamin D than the entire study population. Not by a lot, but since the placebo group should have a symmetric and opposite difference I think enough for some concern. Especially since they did not give the data for the placebo group as I said. That kind of thing is at least a yellow flag for me. The placebo group data would also have allowed us to better assess the possible impact of outside supplementation during the study.

    Avoidance of sun exposure as a risk factor for major causes of death: a competing risk analysis of the Melanoma in Southern Sweden cohort
    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/joim.12496

    First, worth noting that even southern Sweden is pretty far north. Stupid Google says the southernmost point is 55°20′ E, but I assume they mean North.

    In their intro they referecne a study which is a bit more positive on vitamin D supplementation than the study above: https://www.bmj.com/content/348/bmj.g1903.long

    In Figure 2 the mortality differences for sun exposure look to be more important for smokers than non-smokers.

    I’d be a little worried about reverse causation (healthier people being more likely to get outdoors) influencing their study results.

    FWIW I have pretty much bought into (a long time ago) the idea of moderate sun exposure being good for you. A little tough on the skin perhaps, but worthwhile for overall health. And I think having some baseline tan is good for the occasional overexposure day (so you don’t get as sun burned, which I think is the bigger issue).

    Again, I am interested in what you think of that article and the underlying research.

  114. anon[745] • Disclaimer says:
    @Travis

    not sure if the study population, prisoners and psychiatric patients, could be representative of the population at large.

    Changeux’s paper is not on pubmed.gov–is the article based on another non-reviewed, post-at will manuscript? The associations are between “smoking” and being infected, not necessarily nicotine and infection. There are numerous other substances in cigarette smoke-anyone showed that a patch or taking a receptor agonist (e.g. ABT-594) or a toxin (epibatidine) reduces or protects against infection?

    Stay off the pipe, for now. Get your vitamin D, lose some weight.

  115. Kev says:

    Unz Link blocked from Facebook for violating community standards fyi

  116. res says:
    @Bob Roddis

    Thanks. It is interesting that the paper also gives this (emphasis in original):

    One Sentence Summary: African American overrepresentation among COVID-19 deaths increases with lower irradiance, where race is more predictive of COVID-19 morbidity and mortality than median income.

    The paper author looks interesting. MIT undergrad with a PhD from Caltech. And from this page:
    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/cf_dev/AbsByAuth.cfm?per_id=4088303

    Currently looking for medical collaborators for clinical trials on the role of sunlight and vitamin D on COVID-19 prevention and treatment.

    He has another recent paper.
    Follow the Sun: Slower COVID-19 Morbidity and Mortality Growth at Higher Irradiances
    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3567587

    Abstract
    The effect of temperature and irradiance on COVID-19 will determine the course of the pandemic in warmer locations and whether rising temperatures will change its course, and has implications for public health policy. We show case and death counts had significantly lower growth rates at higher temperatures (>14 °C) when aligned for stage in the epidemic. We show irradiance and in particular solar zenith angle in combination with cloudopacity explain COVID-19 morbidity and mortality growth better than temperature. COVID-19 exploded during the darkest January in Wuhan in over a decade. Daily irradiance correlated with case growth 7 days later. Our results suggest transmission models should incorporate irradiance, that the impact of natural and artificial UV irradiance on individual morbidity and mortality should be tested, and has implications for the best locations and optimal behaviors for high-risk individuals and COVID-19 patients to weather the pandemic: following the Sun.

    One Sentence Summary: High irradiance reduces the transmission of COVID-19, which exploded into an epidemic during the darkest January in over 10 years in Wuhan.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  117. @ColRebSez

    5000 IU daily. Yes, too much of an otherwise likely good thing. That, in combination of the other factor of a lot of black tea, apparently did for me.

    BTW, I wasn’t pissed at my former urologist for not ascertaining my supplements and dietary habits, although he should have done so as prophylaxis against just such an eventuality. No, the stone that would not pass from the ureter into the bladder due to its size needed to be removed through lithotripsy. In this case, the doctor’s choice was laser lithotripsy instead of ultrasonic lithotripsy to break up the stone (and other incipient stones up in the kidney during the same procedure). I had the operation, and went home, but about 2 days later, I spiked a fever of about 104°, was transported by the fire rescue squad to a different hospital, and after an exploratory laparoscopic examination determined to have a raging case of peritonitis. Emergency surgery was performed, which found an abcess on my small bowel; hard to prove, but I suspect (and my gastroenterologist seemed to agree) that the idiot had blasted a hole through my intestinal wall with a poorly-wielded laser, nicking my intestine in the process, and liberating millions of gut bacteria into my sterile abdominal cavity, and we were off to the races. My core was cut open down the middle for 8″ to permit access to pull out my intestines and to repair the abcess, and then sutured shut as well as could be contrived for this crucial bit of my anatomy. I spent a week in the hospital, catheterized, IVs in both arms, dosed to the max with morphine to control the pain (but also inducing hallucinations), and then finally released to a long, difficult recuperation.

    Oh, but a week or two after my discharge, a stent from the original operation that had been placed above the bladder to hold open the ureter against edema post-operatively needed to be extracted, and this by that same urologist. This stent had to be removed using a long, sinister-looking, black snake of a medical device that was equipped with a light, fiber optics leading to a viewer, and tools deployable to cut the sutures holding the stent, and then to grab it and pull it out, all without any anaesthesia other than a little numbing on my John Hancock. That was fun, in a Civil War operating theater sort of way.

    After a couple of years, the long incision scar began to herniate, and about 3 months ago, I underwent a surgery to implant a large surgical mesh to support my severed core. And this, too, was traceable to the botch that was my laser lithotripsy.

    So, yeah, one moron with a laser can really wreak some havoc.

  118. orionyx says:
    @TelfoedJohn

    Quite right. The only Hyperborean people with darker skin eat plenty of mammalian and fish liver, so they get plenty of vit D in the diet: so much so that early Nordic explorers who shared their diet became ill allegedly from vit D toxicity. But I wonder if in fact they were only eating tainted meat.

  119. @anon

    Well, I thought it unkind to let it go on, as his posts have led me to believe that he is a decent guy, unlike some of the sententious boobs who post here who deserve all of the ridicule they receive.

    I, myself, am a boomer, and had I not myself been exposed to the said vulgar parlance, I could have been no less innocently gulled. I’m not a big fan of the generational sniping that afflicts the thread from time to time. There are bigger fish to fry.

  120. orionyx says:
    @Anon

    In most of the USA it’s considered child abuse to allow your kids to walk home from school.

  121. ziggurat says:
    @dvorak

    I’m also wondering about whether it’s causation or correlation.

    Studies show that 7 out of 10 Americans are deficient in vitamin D. So, being deficient is the norm. Those who are not, may have lifestyle factors that reduce risk. E.g.,
    — Outside much more, where less likely to get a virus.
    — Take vitamin D supplements, which in turn, is correlated with healthier eating and overall lifestyle.

    What we really need are some studies which focus on vitamin D supplements, while statistically controlling for lifestyle.

    Over the last decade or so, studies have linked low vitamin D levels to an increasing number of common diseases, everything from cancer to multiple sclerosis. This led to the hypothesis that D deficiency might be causing these diseases – which offered the tantalizing hope that giving people vitamin D supplements would lower the risk of these diseases.

    We’ve now had a while to test this hypothesis and some of the results have been pretty disappointing. Contrary to a lot of hopes and expectations (not least among those who sell supplements), giving people more vitamin D has not been shown to make a difference in rates of cancer or cardiovascular disease.

    It could be that these diseases cause low vitamin D levels, rather than the other way around. Or maybe vitamin D was a red herring. People with low vitamin D tend to be people who don’t get a lot of exposure to natural sunlight. Maybe there’s something else about sunlight that lowers disease risk.
    https://www.quickanddirtytips.com/health-fitness/medical-conditions/can-vitamin-d-reverse-diabetes

    While low vitamin D status has been linked to a number of health problems, we still don’t have strong evidence showing that high dose vitamin D supplements make or keep people healthier. In fact, And I just saw some research suggesting that a combination of dietary vitamin D (from food and supplements) and moderate sun exposure (which triggers vitamin D production in the skin) offers the most benefit.
    https://nutritionovereasy.com/2011/01/how-much-vitamin-d-is-safe/#more-140

    …. a new report found that seven out of ten American children, for example, are low in vitamin D.
    https://www.quickanddirtytips.com/health-fitness/healthy-eating/what-are-the-benefits-of-vitamin-d

    I cannot really decide whether it’s wise to supplement your vitamin D, but I’m guessing, it’s probably a good idea. It seems like a lot of smart people recommend it anyway. I don’t take any supplements, but sometimes I think it should. But then when you go down the road, it seems like there are a million supplements that are highly recommended.

    • Replies: @Meretricious
  122. I used to be on the safety council of a company I worked for. Their statistics indicated that they were suffering more equipment operator accidents during late fall and winter, and they were looking for suggestions to alleviate that problem. I presented them with evidence that vitamin D levels affected brain function, and were lower during the corresponding period due to less sunshine. But they never took it seriously and just pretty much ignored me. I did find a personal solution however:
    https://vitamindwiki.com/Increase+your+vitamin+D+from+the+sun+by+wearing+a+tan-through+instead+of+standard+shirt

  123. @angmojo

    As a ‘normal’ human, I live for the sunshine … spent 20 years in LA and HNL … couldn’t get enough of it even while working outdoors as a carpenter.

    Staying indoors in air-conditioned homes and cars and malls and such is what’s unnatural …

  124. @dvorak

    Exactly, correlation does not mean causation. Bah, compared to ventilators, humidifiers, prophylaxis with powerful immunosuppressants and antibiotics, clorox baths, consumption of garlic and ginger by a pound and other proposed home remedies, simple vitamin D supplements is a Nobel-level established science. We are grasping at straws.

    • Replies: @Old Prude
  125. @Anon

    Vitamin D has a pronounced insulin desensitizing effect for me (which A reverses). D isn’t all positive. My advice would be to cycle D and A…

    …an’ he’s workin’ on B
    Digs C&W&R&B
    an’ me an’ the chimpanzee agree
    that one day soon he’ll be
    A celebrity

  126. Don’t know how it affects Vitamin D intake, but they’re predicting snow for Mothers’ Day here. Or at least “light wintry mix”.

    That’s closer to the summer solstice than to the first day of spring. We’re as close to the Equator as to the Pole. Where is this global warming they promised us?

  127. Not Raul says:
    @PiltdownMan

    Sounds good. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

  128. @Anonymous Jew

    One theory is that when we switched to agriculture we no longer got much Vitamin D from food

    That’s interesting. The low death-rate of the Japanese from Covid-19, given the relatively high latitude of Japan, has been ascribed to their fondness for fish (which of course provides vitamin D, among other benefits).

  129. @Jack D

    Tend to agree. Orthomolecular medicine is a fad.

    True, I’ve been taking 400 IU of D, along other vitamins & minerals supplements, for years – but it is not in thousands. In times of flu, 5-10 grams of C, and I don’t see it changed anything; as far as Ginseng goes, only mammoth doses, not available anywhere, could possibly work. And I’ve seen that big, very big doses of B complex work miracles in older & exhausted folks.

    So I guess it’s not bad to take supplements if one is not sure about his diet. For specific ailments (B12 and pernicious anemia, eye conditions and A, ..)- only after blood tests & specialist’s diagnosis.

  130. Hi Steve,
    thought you might be interested in a update:

    1. the German Study is in (Heinsberg). Here is the Link:

    https://www.uni-bonn.de/news/111-2020?set_language=en

    They find a CFR of 0.37
    About 22 percent where asymtomatic cases (similar to figures in China and SK)
    Interestingly, the risk of infecting another household member dropped as household size increased, however, they have no explaination for that.

    2. A second random study in Austria has been completed covering the period from end of April. Out of 1432 people tested, only one was infected, resulting in an estimated 3000 infected for the entire countriy with 11k the upper confidence interval. One month ago the figures were 28k and 60k for the upper confidence interval, i.e. constistent with the officially measured decrease in active cases.

    3. Another study made seroprevalence tests in Austria’s most affected regions and they found that slightly more than 4.5 percent had antibodies, i.e. not very high. Interestingly, they the researcher on TV mentioned that they used the most reliable type of test, whereas the typical PCR test tends to overestimate seroprevalence, often to a significant degree (I do not remember the details). It would thus be interesting what they used when they came up with the 20 percent figure in NY.

  131. MJB says:

    Indonesia

    A new study has recorded blood levels of vitamin D in 780 hospital patients with Covid-19. Almost half of them died, and although Indonesia is very close to the equator, more than half of the 780 were deficient in vitamin D (blood levels less than 30ng/ml).

    We can see in Figure 2 that of the 388 patients with blood levels of vitamin D greater than 30ng, only 16 died, but of the 179 with lowest levels of vitamin D, less than 20ng/ml, 177 died. Blood level of vitamin D was an extremely powerful predictor of either survival or death.

    http://www.drdavidgrimes.com/2020/05/covid-19-vitamin-d-ethnicity-and.html

  132. bjondo says:

    A hearty ‘Hi-Yo Silver! Good Morning!’ to our little lab gods
    of Ft Detrick, similar.

    So, the real purpose of Gates-Fauxci 19 is to get humans
    back out into the sun.

    How clever to use a lab thing and terror.

    Shadow governments, shadowy news,
    shady philanthropists, shady scientists
    shady purposes, all to get humans back
    out into the sun.

    After all turn pale white from prison lock-up.

    And a few may die. Cost of rejuvenation.

    5 dancing shlomos

  133. Corvinus says:

    “Also, it would make the Establishment’s War on sunbathing at beaches and parks especially perverse.”

    Fake News, Mr. Sailer.

    • Troll: Manfred Arcane
  134. Sparkon says:
    @res

    Thanks res. Good stuff. The Sun rules.

  135. @dvorak

    Nutrition is, basically, not a science. I have a stronger opinion on the matter than Derbyshire: https://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/august-diary-pachelbel-and-nepalese-in-japan-derb-in-china-dentists-and-dieticians-etc-11-items/
    …..

    The real youngest science

    So no, I’m a hard sell for the idea that there is anything bogus about dentists.

    Dietitians are another matter. Is diet advice actually any good?
    …………….
    Looks to me like it’s not medicine that’s the youngest science, nor dentistry: It’s nutrition.

    Outside basic obviosities like “Don’t gorge on Twinkies” and “Get up off the Barcalounger now and then,” dietitians have nothing to tell us
    .

    Derb was too considerate.

  136. @Bob Roddis

    I find it interesting that the one solid fact we know about the coronavirus is that it disproportionately affects blacks. Everything else is a total mystery.

  137. @JerseyJeffersonian

    Try to be positive. It could have been worse with these geniuses ….

    • Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian
  138. Dmitry says:

    In general (not specifically to coronavirus), it is possible that Vitamin D is more correlating with health, as an indicator of sun exposure – rather than causing better health itself.

    Is Sunscreen the New Margarine?

    Yet vitamin D supplementation has failed spectacularly in clinical trials. Five years ago, researchers were already warning that it showed zero benefit, and the evidence has only grown stronger. In November, one of the largest and most rigorous trials of the vitamin ever conducted—in which 25,871 participants received high doses for five years—found no impact on cancer, heart disease, or stroke.

    How did we get it so wrong? How could people with low vitamin D levels clearly suffer higher rates of so many diseases and yet not be helped by supplementation?

    These rebels argue that what made the people with high vitamin D levels so healthy was not the vitamin itself. That was just a marker. Their vitamin D levels were high because they were getting plenty of exposure to the thing that was really responsible for their good health—that big orange ball shining down from above.

    Lindqvist tracked the sunbathing habits of nearly 30,000 women in Sweden over 20 years. Originally, he was studying blood clots, which he found occurred less frequently in women who spent more time in the sun—and less frequently during the summer. Lindqvist looked at diabetes next. Sure enough, the sun worshippers had much lower rates. Melanoma? True, the sun worshippers had a higher incidence of it—but they were eight times less likely to die from it.

    So Lindqvist decided to look at overall mortality rates, and the results were shocking. Over the 20 years of the study, sun avoiders were twice as likely to die as sun worshippers.

    https://www.outsideonline.com/2380751/sunscreen-sun-exposure-skin-cancer-science#close

  139. @Jack D

    Once the population is receiving enough vitamins to avoid nutritional diseases (e.g. rickets) it’s tough to prove additional benefits to general health from further supplementation. Many studies have been tried and failed to show any measurable results, much to the disappointment of the supplements industry and vitamin fans. However, something like coronavirus might be an exception.

    I share this line of thinking for young healthy people. (What’s going on in your body with aging is a different issue, as a bunch of processes are stop functioning optimally. And differently for different folks.)

    But Vitamin D is a bit of an exception. Vitamin D is not something that primarily come from diet, but from sun exposure. And this is something that modern lifestyles have changed.

    A retired gentleman of leisure, i’m here hitting the beach in Florida … vitamin D heaven. But working a tech job in Seattle in the winter … i wasn’t even getting the anemic sun exposure my Irish ancestors would have been getting herding sheep on the moorland. Neither were my kids inside in school. And now kids even “play” inside!

    A lot of white people–not just dark skinned folks–are vitamin D deficient because they simply aren’t out in the sun enough anymore at the level of their ancestors (even ancestors just 100 years ago) but live completely indoor lives.

  140. @Anonymous Jew

    Note that hunter-gatherers are generally darker at the same latitude and the pale skin of many Caucasians and Fancy Asians is a relatively recent adaptation. One theory is that when we switched to agriculture we no longer got much Vitamin D from food, which was critical in the winter. One takeaway is that white skin should be able to produce plenty of Vitamin D even at northern latitudes.

    Agree with this … but you must be *out* there in the sun.

    As i noted responding to JackD, spending the day doing office work, i wouldn’t even be getting the anemic levels of sun my Irish ancestors would have gotten herding sheep on the moors.

    And with the Internet–wifi, gaming, phones, tablets–revolution we now having even kids who don’t go outside much. (Even boys who rather play video games!)

    When something radically changes from the ancestral environment in a few generations there’s no guarantee that evolution/selection has got it all “right”. In some cases, those changes have knocked what we’ve been selected for all outta whack.

  141. HA says:
    @Bill Jones

    “Agree. Sailer’s testicular fortitude did seem to have abandoned him.”

    Not just Sailer — you forgot Putin, Bibi, and Brazilian drug lords. I take it you’re of the opinion that in comparison with a real tough-guy, He-man like yourself, these are all just a bunch of pantywaisted girly-men.

    • Replies: @HA
  142. HA says:
    @HA

    Even more soy-boys succumbing to corona-panic. Why doesn’t Sailer have the testicular fortitude to break away from all these little sissy-girls?

    Chechnya becomes first Russian region to impose coronavirus curfew

    MOSCOW (Reuters) – The southern Russian region of Chechnya on Friday became the first to introduce a night curfew to try to prevent the spread of the coronavirus… banning the movement of people and vehicles between 8 p.m. and 8 a.m. and announced it would close its borders from April 5, suspending road, rail and air transport links with the rest of Russia.

    “The coronavirus cannot be kept at bay with half-measures. It is important to break the chain of transmission,” Ramzan Kadyrov, Chechnya’s Kremlin-backed leader, said in a statement.

  143. peterike says:

    Apparently, the Trump Cure is working just fine in a Texas nursing home. Funny how this story wasn’t blasted from all the major news outlets.

    https://www.fox7austin.com/news/fox-26-gets-unprecedented-access-to-texas-1st-nursing-home-to-treat-covid-19-with-hydroxychloroquine

  144. @JerseyJeffersonian

    In Russia the treatment is to drink a lot of water and to climb up and down the staits for hours. Russian blocks of flats have very many floors to climb. Cycling is considered a valid alternative but not running or walking. Th epain can be conwsiderable but it is less expensive than surgery.

    • Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian
  145. Ideal D level is 60-80 ng/ml. Most Americans are much lower due to indoor lifestyles and the overuse of sun screen. Low D levels will cause any number of problems. Sun based production is best but not always possible. Absorption from supplements is variable so you can’t give a general supplementation dose that works universally. Best option is to test every few months for a year and supplement until you understand supplementing impacts your levels.

  146. @AnotherDad

    Hey, don’t badmouth that lifestyle, AD. One of those very same geeks is likely to come up with a Vitamin D App, like … anytime now … What CAN’T those smart phones do?

    BTW, you are right about the Pacific NW. Man, even on a good day in Seattle, at the beginning of winter that sun only gets up to 19 degrees above the horizon if it’s really nice and pokes out a bit at noon. That doesn’t do squat for you, at least compared to your Florida location. It’s not just the solar incidence angle making the radiation spread out and diluted by a factor of 3, but there is much more atmosphere in the way. It’s just pathetic, but then summertime out there is phenomenal!

  147. @Steve Sailer

    As Gordo say, it is common with farmers, but it is also common with great landowners. A great friend of mine, a Catholic earl whose family have lived in their great house for a lot longer than the Ridleys have lived in theirs, moved out and handed over to the son and heir about ten years before he died. Nobody thinks twice about it.

    To my mind the proudest descent of which today’s Ridleys can boast is that from Edwin Lutyens, greatest British architect since Christopher Wren.

  148. Cortes says:
    @Gordo

    Sounds like the proper way to behave.

    The rationale behind the UK’s IHT (Inheritance Tax) provisions on transmission to the rising, working generation is that they are designed to be progressive in that the estates of old, inactive control freaks are hammered while human beings pass the reins on to those who can carry on business with estates left largely intact.

  149. Testing12 says:
    @Kratoklastes

    What’s with the “sportsball” term?

    In my experience this is usually uttered by effette nerdy beta types or gays to deride the aspects of our culture that value healthy physical robustness (as celebrated through sporting competition). Using the term conjures a certain mental image of the one writing it which I wont describe, in order to not unduly insult.

  150. Testing12 says:
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    I have a fair number of black friends. They all hate the beach. They are not interested in getting darker in the sun, and the salty ocean water and sand ravages their hair and skin. Not to mention swimming is not a favorite activity in general.

  151. @Bardon Kaldian

    Lordy, yes. Although my peritonitis was still a life-threatening condition, it probably would have just killed me outright, and not resulted in multiple amputations. Yet one never knows.

  152. @Philip Owen

    I successfully passed a couple of smaller, residual stones later at home, partially by drinking lots of water. But at the time of my disastrous surgery, the stone was stuck at the end of the ureter as it was huge, and so required surgical remediation. After that diagnosis, I had to wait a couple of days prior to surgery, but ultimately the pain got so severe that I spent the penultimate day in hospital getting morphine shots to control the pain. I wasn’t walking up and down no stairs, nohow, at that point, good buddy.

    Kudos to those Russian hardasses, though.

  153. Dan Hayes says:
    @greysquirrell

    That includes North East Asian matrons and maidens in NYC!

    Whereas Coco Chanel introduces sun-worshiping to fashion-conscious Caucasian women in the 30s.

  154. @Sideshow Bob

    Good point.. I was taking 1000 IU of vitamin daily and when tested during the winter my blood levels were only 30 ng/ml. Now I take 4,000 IU per day during the winter months.

  155. @Reg Cæsar

    HBD, bro, HBD.

    It has been mentioned often that blacks tend towards higher bone density, which on a young, lean recruit in boot camp would make them sink?

    Of course “remedial” suggests that the affected persons are too unmotivated to have learned how to swim. Racist.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  156. Anonymous[270] • Disclaimer says:
    @FPD72

    Regeneron, an American company (although its founder and CEO is an ethnic Jew) has several neutralizing antibodies that it can already provide at scale for treatments. It’s just a matter of Phase I/II trials (safety and dosing). They say it maybe marketed by the fall but that’s probably too optimistic.

    Scores of labs and companies have cloned neutralizing antibodies. It’s a fairly routine, although quite complex, thing to do these days. We just don’t know which ones work better (and safe).

  157. @Inquiring Mind

    Apparently I have high bone density as well, weighing more than someone my size and shape (and race) would be expected to. I was in the remedial class at first, too, able to swim, but not the required length. However, our first liberty (in exciting Wildwood) hung on passing the test, and dammit, I was gonna go. And did.

    Since this relieved me from the class, I don’t know how the colored guys fared after that. One white guy in our company took a few more weeks, and we razzed him for it; perhaps he also had unusually high bone density.

  158. Wielgus says:
    @greysquirrell

    Not since this thing hit and there are few Asians about, but I have seen Chinese tourists in Greece using umbrellas as parasols during sunny weather. I have never seen Greeks doing that.

  159. Old Prude says:
    @Black-hole creator

    Taking up vaping, wearing a Speedo, and drinking gin and tonics sounds like good medicine. Very good medicine.

  160. Old Prude says:
    @AnotherDad

    My mother says her grandchildren are “translucent” from too much basement video games

  161. @ziggurat

    This time of year, I’m outdoors a lot. Mostly doing yard work but also just enjoying the pleasant weather, meals and drinks on the terrace etc.

    But I avoid direct sun because I find it blinding and unpleasant. Does this mean I’m not getting benefits? Does one have to be in direct sun like a sunbather at the beach or is reflected light enough?

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