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From the New York Times news section:

Walmart Says It Will No Longer Lock Up African-American Beauty Products

The policy had been the subject of a racial discrimination lawsuit that was dropped last year, but the practice had come under renewed scrutiny.

By Neil Vigdor and Elisha Brown
June 10, 2020

Walmart will end its practice of locking up African-American beauty care products in glass cases, the retail giant said on Wednesday after a fresh round of criticism that the policy was a form of racial discrimination.

Hair care and beauty products sold predominantly to black people could be accessed at certain stores only by getting a Walmart employee to unlock the cases, some of which featured additional anti-theft measures.

At some stores, the cases were across the aisle from shelves of generic beauty products that were not locked up and included shampoo and conditioner.

Critics of the practice, which had been the subject of a federal discrimination lawsuit that was dropped last year, said that it implied that black people were more likely to shoplift. Walmart had previously said that certain products were locked up because they were more likely to be stolen.

But whoever heard of Walmart studying its internal data closely?

 
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  1. Black people more likely to shoplift?

    Now I’ve heard everything.

    • Agree: Mike Tre
    • LOL: Buffalo Joe
  2. Do they follow the anti-Irish policy of locking up whiskey?

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    @Haruto Rat

    I am free. For now. See you in the camps!

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Haruto Rat


    Do they follow the anti-Irish policy of locking up whiskey?

     

    However, whisky is still available, so Scots aren't inconvenienced.


    http://blog.thewhiskyexchange.com/core/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/whisky-image.jpg
  3. Not good enough. Now the Indian shopkeepers have to put the Newports back out in front of the counter. Liquor stores and Chinese restaurants in the ghetto cannot have bulletproof glass no matter how many times they have been robbed. No more security guards at Waffle Houses in the South. No metal detectors at courthouses, where poc are more likely to be oppressed.

    • Thanks: Charon
    • Replies: @bomag
    @william munny

    Soon enough we'll move on to realizing that charging historically disadvantaged people money for goods and services is racist. It must all be free.

    And then we'll move on to paying them for the privilege of their consumption.

    More must be done. Then even more.

    Africa wins again.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @J S Raggmann

    , @bigdicknick
    @william munny

    Philadelphia actually tried to ban asians from having bullet proof glass I shit you not. You can google it for more info.

    Because it was "racist" of course.

    , @International Jew
    @william munny

    No metal detectors at courthouses?! Where? Or is that just your wry prediction of what's coming down the pike?

    Replies: @william munny, @GMR

  4. Wal-Mart is a very data heavy organization. If they put these items in a locked cabinet or whatever, it’s because they were walking out the door a lot. When all this is done they may quietly remove these items from the shelves altogether.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob, Lurker
    • Replies: @Farenheit
    @Ed

    ...or price the hair products to maintain their profit margins even with the excess "shrinkage".

    , @J S Raggmann
    @Ed

    Either Walmart removes often shoplifted items from the shelves, or you and I will pay more to cover shoplifting when we shop at Walmart. Always hated shopping at Walmart, but certain goods are available nowhere else.

    , @black sea
    @Ed

    If they stop selling these items, racism.

    If they keep these items locked in a case, racism.

    If these items are shop-lifted and an employee alerts a security guard, racism.

    If the security guard tries in any way to detain the suspects, racism.

    If, God forbid, somebody calls the police, racism.

    If the police miraculously arrive in time and attempt to arrest the suspects, racism.

    If one of the suspects is physically subdued after resisting arrest, racism.

    Maybe they should just start giving these items away as a gesture of support for BLM, and try to get some good press out of it.

    Replies: @Herzog

    , @El Dato
    @Ed

    "Economic Pressure has Consequences"

    I wonder whether shops will at some point become "clubs". You must have a "club card" to enter, and your application may be delayed for unspecified reasons...

    Replies: @J S Raggmann

    , @Gamecock
    @Ed

    Loss prevention is a bit of a show. Asset losses are almost entirely by . . . employees.

  5. I remember decades ago that the video game disks were kept under lock and key at Walmart and other dept. stores, to keep the teenagers, black or white, from stealing them. Grounds for an age discrimination lawsuit today? I wonder if that race-hustling lawsuit was dropped because it was dead simple for the store to show the much higher robbery rate for those black products.

    • Replies: @Paul
    @Bumpkin

    In part, Sam Walton got rich by careful inventory control -- using well-placed warehouses to supply just-in-time inventory and not overstocking items. Now, making stealing difficult for blacks is considered racial discrimination. Stores are not supposed to notice which products repeatedly undergo "inventory shrinkage."

    Critics then act confused as to why businesses such as grocery stores are reluctant to locate in black areas (so-called "food deserts"). If you want stores to locate in black areas, help protect them from theft and other crime. Is that so hard to figure out?

    , @Alden
    @Bumpkin

    In discrimination lawsuits, truth doesn’t matter.

    That’s what the doctrine of disparate representation means. For instance, Kaiser vs Weber 1979 the Supreme Court found that it was discrimination to require that a steel mill foreman be able to read memos, operations manuals, other materials, and have a high school diploma.

    I’d love to see men between 16 and 35 get a Supreme Court finding that higher auto insurance rates for that then is “ clear and present evidence of discrimination” and orders that auto insurance rates for all demographics be the same.

  6. @william munny
    Not good enough. Now the Indian shopkeepers have to put the Newports back out in front of the counter. Liquor stores and Chinese restaurants in the ghetto cannot have bulletproof glass no matter how many times they have been robbed. No more security guards at Waffle Houses in the South. No metal detectors at courthouses, where poc are more likely to be oppressed.

    Replies: @bomag, @bigdicknick, @International Jew

    Soon enough we’ll move on to realizing that charging historically disadvantaged people money for goods and services is racist. It must all be free.

    And then we’ll move on to paying them for the privilege of their consumption.

    More must be done. Then even more.

    Africa wins again.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @bomag

    You say that jokingly, but this is already happening, and actually has been for some time.

    , @J S Raggmann
    @bomag

    Dude, that is just comedy gold. If there were any good late night talk show host left, some of the commenters here could make a good living writing their jokes and monologue material. Big downside is that you would need to live in New York or LA, close to work.

  7. They should lock up products strictly on the basis of clear statistical evidence that the designated products have been more subject to shoplifting.

    Oops, that is what they were doing! How racist!!!

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Peter Johnson

    Whoever heard of Walmart looking carefully at its data?

  8. They’ll quietly stop carrying them a few months later

    • Thanks: Jane Plain
    • Replies: @jimmyriddle
    @Mikeja

    Or they'll just increase the prices so that their margins take account of losses due to theft.

  9. They’ll just say they’re out and encourage you to buy it online. I’m wondering how the shoplifting has subsided since Corona Chan? Most theft should be internal though Wal-Mart being open still allows undocumented shoppers .

    • Replies: @Joe Magarac
    @Skyler_the_Weird


    They’ll just say they’re out and encourage you to buy it online ...
     
    Everything you say, but also closing down stores that happen to be where those are popular items.
    , @Jack D
    @Skyler_the_Weird

    They will probably order an amount similar to what they were ordering before and when those get stolen each month, they will be out of stock until the next month. They aren't going to go out of their way to constantly restock endless quantities of an item that they know is unprofitable due to "shrinkage". The cost of getting the existing quantities of "ethnic" (black) hair products stolen each month will be one more cost of doing business in minority areas, like having extra security guards.

    In general, Big Business likes black shoppers. They don't quibble about price, they are less likely to "want to speak to the manager" like white Karens, they don't have high expectations for level of service and cleanliness, etc. When the food stamps come in, they go to town and load up their carts with high margin junk food. When they have money they are really great customers. And American blacks DO have money (at least temporarily each time they get paid). As soon as it comes it, it goes out again. Not like cheap Asian and Jew bastards who hoard their money in banks and don't keep it moving.

    Replies: @bigdicknick, @snorlax, @Jim Don Bob, @Buffalo Joe

    , @J S Raggmann
    @Skyler_the_Weird

    I like ordering online. Best situation for me is buy 80% or more of what I need from the local store that is a 2 block walk away, and order the rest on-line with free shipping. If I order enough to carry me 3 to 6 months, the dollar amount of the order is enough to get free shipping.

    Walmart has a few items that I can not easily get elsewhere, but the last 2 or 3 times I drove 40 miles to 2 different Walmart stores, the stuff was not in stock. Ordering from their regional warehouse fixed that problem. Last order arrived in 2 days. No time lost in driving and wandering thru the store; no fuel burnt; no wear and tear on vehicle.

    If Dindus can learn how to film their attacks on other races and post on World Star HipHop, they can learn how to shop online.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Skyler_the_Weird

    Unfortunately, the undocumented shopping can still shift to on-line, Skyler, via the porch pirates. The delivery folks take pictures nowadays (but that doesn't stop THEM from coming back to get your shit), and there is tracking of course. It's going to get really hard to pin down who is to eat the costs on these things. Perhaps it'll be mostly the on-line retailers, and they will spread those losses out - meaning YOU will pay more, same way as at the "Brick & Mortar" boxes.

    That's just another win for people in exurbs and rural areas. It's not worth the trouble and risk to drive around remote areas looking for stuff on the porch.

    The real solution for this is a big UPS-drop-box type dealy for residents. Make it heavy or secured enough to the house, to make stealing it very difficult, make a way for the UPS/Fed-Ex/USPS to drop in big boxes using a code lock (could be a code that gets created and emailed to the shipper on a per-shipment basis), and there you go. I thought of this thing years ago, but maybe now would be the time for it.

    .

    PS: I know people have cameras, but I don't think the cops can go, you know, "policing the whole city" [/Chief Wiggens] for any face that might be identified.

    Replies: @Lurker, @Jim Don Bob

  10. @Peter Johnson
    They should lock up products strictly on the basis of clear statistical evidence that the designated products have been more subject to shoplifting.

    Oops, that is what they were doing! How racist!!!

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Whoever heard of Walmart looking carefully at its data?

  11. @bomag
    @william munny

    Soon enough we'll move on to realizing that charging historically disadvantaged people money for goods and services is racist. It must all be free.

    And then we'll move on to paying them for the privilege of their consumption.

    More must be done. Then even more.

    Africa wins again.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @J S Raggmann

    You say that jokingly, but this is already happening, and actually has been for some time.

    • Agree: Desiderius
  12. Walmart will probably just return to avoiding having stores in black areas.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
    @Colin Wright


    Walmart will probably just return to avoiding having stores in black areas.
     
    That’s what jumped out at me, I saw something like 4500 stores and a dozen where they lock up the negro “hair” products.

    I’d bet that those dozen have all been looted completely and expect them to be closed permanently.
  13. Anonymous[240] • Disclaimer says:

    Gosh!

    Just how far down in the gutter has the idealism of the 1968 ‘Summer of Love’ idealism, the notion of world peace, love and brotherhood, symbolized by that zeitgeist of the time, the ‘hippy musical’ “Hair” has fallen!

    ‘The Age of Aquarius’ indeed.

    • Agree: usNthem
    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @Anonymous


    ‘The Age of Aquarius’ indeed.
     
    The most striking feature of the current progressive "revolution" is the complete absence of even a minor strain of starry-eyed idealism—a leavening of love, peace or goodwill type idealism.

    As for Hair, I simply can't imagine the kind of uproar that would ensue if a musical today were to have songs like "Colored Spade" or "Black Boys" in it. And a "progressive" musical at that.

    https://youtu.be/y2CoR1vggYc

  14. @Skyler_the_Weird
    They'll just say they're out and encourage you to buy it online. I'm wondering how the shoplifting has subsided since Corona Chan? Most theft should be internal though Wal-Mart being open still allows undocumented shoppers .

    Replies: @Joe Magarac, @Jack D, @J S Raggmann, @Achmed E. Newman

    They’ll just say they’re out and encourage you to buy it online …

    Everything you say, but also closing down stores that happen to be where those are popular items.

  15. The local Wal-Mart was playing a message from the CEO acknowledging the sorrow that everyone feels at the moment, and pledging solidarity with blacks. It was pathetic and sounded damn creepy coming over the loudspeakers in the parking lot.

    Lowe’s does something now with social messaging over loudspeakers for customers coming in from the parking lot. I just want to go shopping, not receive programming and messages from Big Brother.

    • Replies: @Ray P
    @OilcanFloyd

    "Welcome to Costco: I love you."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIFCWpn4qQ4

    , @BenKenobi
    @OilcanFloyd


    sounded damn creepy coming over the loudspeakers
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSLA7dDYtpk
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @OilcanFloyd

    I hate that crap, Oil Can. I would have considered walking right back to my car, but when you need building materials, on-line doesn't usually cut it.

    Thanks for prepping me up for this nonsense. Maybe I'll wear ear plugs, but I hate the reduction in awareness. I do understand why some young people (especially) wear their headsets all the time. It's great to be able to drown that stuff out, but you lose some safety factor.

    Replies: @OilcanFloyd

  16. @Mikeja
    They’ll quietly stop carrying them a few months later

    Replies: @jimmyriddle

    Or they’ll just increase the prices so that their margins take account of losses due to theft.

  17. IOW, Walmart has decided to not restock these no-margin wares once the shelves are emptied.

  18. @Skyler_the_Weird
    They'll just say they're out and encourage you to buy it online. I'm wondering how the shoplifting has subsided since Corona Chan? Most theft should be internal though Wal-Mart being open still allows undocumented shoppers .

    Replies: @Joe Magarac, @Jack D, @J S Raggmann, @Achmed E. Newman

    They will probably order an amount similar to what they were ordering before and when those get stolen each month, they will be out of stock until the next month. They aren’t going to go out of their way to constantly restock endless quantities of an item that they know is unprofitable due to “shrinkage”. The cost of getting the existing quantities of “ethnic” (black) hair products stolen each month will be one more cost of doing business in minority areas, like having extra security guards.

    In general, Big Business likes black shoppers. They don’t quibble about price, they are less likely to “want to speak to the manager” like white Karens, they don’t have high expectations for level of service and cleanliness, etc. When the food stamps come in, they go to town and load up their carts with high margin junk food. When they have money they are really great customers. And American blacks DO have money (at least temporarily each time they get paid). As soon as it comes it, it goes out again. Not like cheap Asian and Jew bastards who hoard their money in banks and don’t keep it moving.

    • Replies: @bigdicknick
    @Jack D

    blacks are very disliked by service industry businesses. they are actually way more entitled and likely to cause conflicts in the context of receiving services. I guarantee you something similar happens in retail i.e. Saint George trying to pass a fake $20.

    , @snorlax
    @Jack D


    In general, Big Business likes black shoppers. They don’t quibble about price, they are less likely to “want to speak to the manager” like white Karens
     
    As a teenager I worked the register at a supermarket. I'd estimate that black customers were 5-10x (and customers of any race who paid by EBT card 10-20x) more likely than others to dispute prices or demand to speak to the manager. To be fair, disputing prices seemed like more of a class thing than a race thing, and only white women ever actually tried to get me in trouble with my manager.

    Blacks were also very, very likely to make unusual and time-consuming requests, seemingly because they enjoyed making a white person wait on them. For example, asking that their order be triple-bagged (i.e. a paper bag inside another paper bag inside a plastic bag). Around a third of black customers requested this; I don't think I ever had a non-black customer do so.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @Jack D

    I was in a redneck Walmart the other day. The entrance used to be wide open. Now they have these metal waist-high one way gates across the entrance.

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Jack D

    Jack, Wal-Mart built a "super store" on Walden Ave. in Buffalo's first ring suburb of Cheektowaga. They did not allow city buses to enter and drop off customers. Well, of course that was racist so now the city buses have a stop on the property. The giant Walden Galleria, also on the same street in Cheektowaga did the same thing and then reversed. You can find online videos of brawls at the Galleria, including my favorite of a woman holding her baby while throwing punches. NOW MOST INTERESTING....Wegman's had a store on the same street, same Cheektowaga and CLOSED IT. That's right. Wegman's known far and wide as a great store and employer, closed their store in Cheektowaga. Wegman's store in Buffalo, they only have one in the city, has armed security, and a suv labeled assest management patrolling the parking lot monitoring cart theft. The only Wegman's I have ever seen with big signs stating "Video Surveillance" Wonder why?

  19. @Ed
    Wal-Mart is a very data heavy organization. If they put these items in a locked cabinet or whatever, it’s because they were walking out the door a lot. When all this is done they may quietly remove these items from the shelves altogether.

    Replies: @Farenheit, @J S Raggmann, @black sea, @El Dato, @Gamecock

    …or price the hair products to maintain their profit margins even with the excess “shrinkage”.

  20. They don’t quibble about price, they are less likely to “want to speak to the manager” like white Karens,

    Any man who uses the racial slur “Karen” should be written off.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Jane Plain

    Any man who uses the racial slur “Karen” should be written off.

    Boring troll. Probably can't even read cursive.
    Sad!

    , @Mike1
    @Jane Plain

    Whiny, entitled older white women are a thing. They are particularly awful when they are doing jobs they consider beneath them and flip out when you ask a routine question.

    Replies: @Lurker

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Jane Plain


    Any man who uses the racial slur “Karen” should be written off.
     
    “Karens” blow. Other than that, they’re useless.
  21. @Ed
    Wal-Mart is a very data heavy organization. If they put these items in a locked cabinet or whatever, it’s because they were walking out the door a lot. When all this is done they may quietly remove these items from the shelves altogether.

    Replies: @Farenheit, @J S Raggmann, @black sea, @El Dato, @Gamecock

    Either Walmart removes often shoplifted items from the shelves, or you and I will pay more to cover shoplifting when we shop at Walmart. Always hated shopping at Walmart, but certain goods are available nowhere else.

  22. @bomag
    @william munny

    Soon enough we'll move on to realizing that charging historically disadvantaged people money for goods and services is racist. It must all be free.

    And then we'll move on to paying them for the privilege of their consumption.

    More must be done. Then even more.

    Africa wins again.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @J S Raggmann

    Dude, that is just comedy gold. If there were any good late night talk show host left, some of the commenters here could make a good living writing their jokes and monologue material. Big downside is that you would need to live in New York or LA, close to work.

  23. Notice that the work boots in the shoe department are not kept behind lock and key!

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Possumman

    Neither are the books.

  24. @Skyler_the_Weird
    They'll just say they're out and encourage you to buy it online. I'm wondering how the shoplifting has subsided since Corona Chan? Most theft should be internal though Wal-Mart being open still allows undocumented shoppers .

    Replies: @Joe Magarac, @Jack D, @J S Raggmann, @Achmed E. Newman

    I like ordering online. Best situation for me is buy 80% or more of what I need from the local store that is a 2 block walk away, and order the rest on-line with free shipping. If I order enough to carry me 3 to 6 months, the dollar amount of the order is enough to get free shipping.

    Walmart has a few items that I can not easily get elsewhere, but the last 2 or 3 times I drove 40 miles to 2 different Walmart stores, the stuff was not in stock. Ordering from their regional warehouse fixed that problem. Last order arrived in 2 days. No time lost in driving and wandering thru the store; no fuel burnt; no wear and tear on vehicle.

    If Dindus can learn how to film their attacks on other races and post on World Star HipHop, they can learn how to shop online.

  25. @william munny
    Not good enough. Now the Indian shopkeepers have to put the Newports back out in front of the counter. Liquor stores and Chinese restaurants in the ghetto cannot have bulletproof glass no matter how many times they have been robbed. No more security guards at Waffle Houses in the South. No metal detectors at courthouses, where poc are more likely to be oppressed.

    Replies: @bomag, @bigdicknick, @International Jew

    Philadelphia actually tried to ban asians from having bullet proof glass I shit you not. You can google it for more info.

    Because it was “racist” of course.

  26. @Jack D
    @Skyler_the_Weird

    They will probably order an amount similar to what they were ordering before and when those get stolen each month, they will be out of stock until the next month. They aren't going to go out of their way to constantly restock endless quantities of an item that they know is unprofitable due to "shrinkage". The cost of getting the existing quantities of "ethnic" (black) hair products stolen each month will be one more cost of doing business in minority areas, like having extra security guards.

    In general, Big Business likes black shoppers. They don't quibble about price, they are less likely to "want to speak to the manager" like white Karens, they don't have high expectations for level of service and cleanliness, etc. When the food stamps come in, they go to town and load up their carts with high margin junk food. When they have money they are really great customers. And American blacks DO have money (at least temporarily each time they get paid). As soon as it comes it, it goes out again. Not like cheap Asian and Jew bastards who hoard their money in banks and don't keep it moving.

    Replies: @bigdicknick, @snorlax, @Jim Don Bob, @Buffalo Joe

    blacks are very disliked by service industry businesses. they are actually way more entitled and likely to cause conflicts in the context of receiving services. I guarantee you something similar happens in retail i.e. Saint George trying to pass a fake $20.

  27. @Ed
    Wal-Mart is a very data heavy organization. If they put these items in a locked cabinet or whatever, it’s because they were walking out the door a lot. When all this is done they may quietly remove these items from the shelves altogether.

    Replies: @Farenheit, @J S Raggmann, @black sea, @El Dato, @Gamecock

    If they stop selling these items, racism.

    If they keep these items locked in a case, racism.

    If these items are shop-lifted and an employee alerts a security guard, racism.

    If the security guard tries in any way to detain the suspects, racism.

    If, God forbid, somebody calls the police, racism.

    If the police miraculously arrive in time and attempt to arrest the suspects, racism.

    If one of the suspects is physically subdued after resisting arrest, racism.

    Maybe they should just start giving these items away as a gesture of support for BLM, and try to get some good press out of it.

    • Replies: @Herzog
    @black sea

    Since there is no way to escape the racism charge anyway, why not just embrace racism? Sheep and lamb and all that ...

  28. Not woke enough.White customers will have to be fined for not noticing,admiring and fawning over muh hurr.

  29. One author said that shoplifting is far worse than piracy. Stores think his book has been sitting on the shelf for months but it isn’t there. Expect the same to happen with Walmart’s hair-care products.

  30. @Ed
    Wal-Mart is a very data heavy organization. If they put these items in a locked cabinet or whatever, it’s because they were walking out the door a lot. When all this is done they may quietly remove these items from the shelves altogether.

    Replies: @Farenheit, @J S Raggmann, @black sea, @El Dato, @Gamecock

    “Economic Pressure has Consequences”

    I wonder whether shops will at some point become “clubs”. You must have a “club card” to enter, and your application may be delayed for unspecified reasons…

    • Replies: @J S Raggmann
    @El Dato

    Enclosed malls could become exclusive clubs, if any malls survive the double whammy of the plandemic and the current hubbub. Can't get into the mall unless you have a membership card that costs $250. Of course, after someone buys a card, the mall quietly mails the club member $350 of coupons redeemable at any mall store. I guess the mall should also ban sales of athletic shoes and team jerseys.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  31. Simply move the items to the service desk. When asked, say that Black customers are so highly valued that they deserve special treatment, that Wal-Mart cares.

    And who doesn’t like special treatment by a giant retailer?

    • Agree: fish
  32. @Anonymous
    Gosh!

    Just how far down in the gutter has the idealism of the 1968 'Summer of Love' idealism, the notion of world peace, love and brotherhood, symbolized by that zeitgeist of the time, the 'hippy musical' "Hair" has fallen!

    'The Age of Aquarius' indeed.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

    ‘The Age of Aquarius’ indeed.

    The most striking feature of the current progressive “revolution” is the complete absence of even a minor strain of starry-eyed idealism—a leavening of love, peace or goodwill type idealism.

    As for Hair, I simply can’t imagine the kind of uproar that would ensue if a musical today were to have songs like “Colored Spade” or “Black Boys” in it. And a “progressive” musical at that.

  33. That is very considerate of Walmart. Now let me make a guess here. They won’t be rebuilding any looted stores. Nor will they keep such products in stock. The shoplifting should help mess with their legendary inventory records. It will just be an empty magnanimous gesture, but it sure feels good.

    Personally I think the woke corporations like Walmart should just have free stuff days in memory of every St. George was arrested. Holiday days from paying anything just for the oppressed black people. Maybe a paid three day holiday for the rest of us? Pity I don’t troll on 4chan.

  34. Supermarkets lock up cans of powdered baby formula not because desperate mothers steal it to feed their infants, but because drug dealers steal it to use as an extender in cocaine.
    Which shows that drug dealers are stupid – they certainly could afford to buy it and not risk getting busted for shoplifting.

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    @prosa123

    Drugstores keep all kinds of stuff locked up -- as a trashy white person I'm outraged

    , @Jack D
    @prosa123

    It was my understanding that there are organized shoplifting gangs which target certain items (baby formula, razors, etc.) because they can be readily resold to bodegas (ghetto corner stores) whose immigrant owners are not too picky about where they get their products from as long as the price is right.

    I think that there are better, cheaper products such as lactose that can be used to dilute powdered drugs. Baby formula does not resemble cocaine sufficiently in color or texture.

    So the people stealing baby formula are often addicts but they are not using the stuff directly. It's just a high value product with a ready market. Other popular items include printer ink cartridges (ironic because they are ALREADY a rip off), OTC medications, meat, energy drinks, etc. You can catch up on the latest trends based upon what merchants keep behind the counter or on the shelf with special devices that are intended to make it difficult to just sweep the entire shelf into your bag.

    Replies: @vhrm, @PSR

    , @Alden
    @prosa123

    The drug dealers don’t steal the baby formula. Professional shoplifters steal the baby formula and sell it to the cocaine processors . It’s a regular product chain of distribution.

    , @fish
    @prosa123

    Anybody know the reason for the sudden affection for Tide™ laundry detergent that developed in the more "urban" areas one the last couple of years?

  35. jsm says:

    What an impossible position Walmart finds itself in. When I first read this, I thought, well, they will just raise the prices on all the rest of us for our stuff to cover the theft losses, but then I realized, no, they’ll be unable to keep supply on the shelves, at all. Can you imagine the shrieking from Angry Black Women, now, when dey cain’t git dey hair straighteners? What’s Walmart gonna tell them? Blame COVID?
    I love this!

  36. res says:

    This paper is kind of interesting in this context.
    https://ccjls.scholasticahq.com/article/9910-it-s-just-shoplifting-or-is-it-examining-court-processing-of-shoplifting-before-and-after-the-passage-of-mississippi-house-bill-585

    The paper focuses on a single city in Mississippi which is 60% black and 37% white. Over the past decade shoplifting accounted for 22% of all arrests. They looked at shoplifting data from 2009-2018 (HB585 passed in 2014).

    One interesting tidbit from Table 1 is that whites were actually overrepresented (relative to population proportion) in shoplifting arrests (41.6% W, 57.3% B).

    Part of what makes this paper interesting is that Walmart accounted for 48.9% of the arrests. Table 2 shows that incidents involving blacks were less likely at Walmart (correlation -0.134) and that arrests at Walmart increased significantly after HB585 (correlation 0.394).

    I wish they had broken down Table 1 by before and after HB585. My guess is Walmart was under fire and significantly increased the arrest (and prosecution) rate for whites post-HB585. Figure 2 shows a clear change in racial balance of court cases starting in 2015, but there is not enough information presented to tell how much of that was from Walmart.

    The following year in 2016 there was a sharp drop in court cases for females (in particular, black females, see Figures 3 and 4).

    Another interesting tidbit (both for the factual content and the capitalization convention):

    Thus, despite a large body of research that suggests being Black is a strike against an individual in the criminal justice system, it appears that, with shoplifting charges in this jurisdiction, being White was associated with greater likelihood of a guilty verdict.

    Summary of HB 585 below.

    [MORE]

    Prior to HB 585, shoplifting (1st and 2nd offense) of $500 or less was considered a misdemeanor and punishable by up to six months in jail, a fine of up to $1000, or both. Shoplifting (3rd and subsequent offenses) of $500 or less was enhanced to a felony and punishable by up to five years in prison, a fine of $5000, or both. Shoplifting of $500-$1000 was automatically enhanced to a felony and punishable by up to 10 years in prison (see Mississippi House Bill 1121, 2003, pp. 6-7 for previous shoplifting statute).

    HB 585 (2014) changed the sentencing guidelines for shoplifting. HB 585 classified shoplifting (1st and 2nd offense) of amounts up to $1000 and 3rd and subsequent offenses up to $500 as misdemeanors and punishable by up to six months in the county jail, a fine of not more than $1000, or both. Unless the court finds reason why the individual engaging in shoplifting cannot be safely and effectively supervised in the community, the court suspends any sentence of jail time and sentences the individual to probation not exceeding one year. Third and subsequent offenses of $500-$1000 are considered felonies and punishable by up to three years in prison, a fine of $1000, or both (see Mississippi House Bill 585, 2014, pp. 60-63 for current shoplifting statute). Essentially, there is no maximum limit on the number of shoplifting offenses one can accrue to avoid getting a felony charge, as long as the 3rd or subsequent offense does not exceed $500. Until that point, all of the shoplifting offenses will be considered misdemeanors and treated
    accordingly.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @res

    Sadly, the American white working class (the type of folks who shop at WalMart) has been undergoing a process of Negrification as their foothold on the middle class has slipped further and further out of reach. More out of wedlock births, more drug addiction, more petty crime such as shoplifting to support their drug habits. Even their culture has become more "black" - listening to rap music and affecting ghetto fashions, etc. Instead of our black people raising themselves up and acting more white and middle class, the opposite has happened.

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @res

    res, the Oberlin College lawsuit was because three black students said they were profiled by the store owner for shoplifting. Truth was the owner called the police on every shoplifter, mostly OC students, and IIRC, the percentage of white and blacks matched the college's enrollment. In this case rushing to the black students' defense cost Oberlin $39,000,000.

  37. @Bumpkin
    I remember decades ago that the video game disks were kept under lock and key at Walmart and other dept. stores, to keep the teenagers, black or white, from stealing them. Grounds for an age discrimination lawsuit today? I wonder if that race-hustling lawsuit was dropped because it was dead simple for the store to show the much higher robbery rate for those black products.

    Replies: @Paul, @Alden

    In part, Sam Walton got rich by careful inventory control — using well-placed warehouses to supply just-in-time inventory and not overstocking items. Now, making stealing difficult for blacks is considered racial discrimination. Stores are not supposed to notice which products repeatedly undergo “inventory shrinkage.”

    Critics then act confused as to why businesses such as grocery stores are reluctant to locate in black areas (so-called “food deserts”). If you want stores to locate in black areas, help protect them from theft and other crime. Is that so hard to figure out?

  38. For all the beauty products consumed, I don’t see much beauty.

  39. @prosa123
    Supermarkets lock up cans of powdered baby formula not because desperate mothers steal it to feed their infants, but because drug dealers steal it to use as an extender in cocaine.
    Which shows that drug dealers are stupid - they certainly could afford to buy it and not risk getting busted for shoplifting.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Jack D, @Alden, @fish

    Drugstores keep all kinds of stuff locked up — as a trashy white person I’m outraged

  40. @Jack D
    @Skyler_the_Weird

    They will probably order an amount similar to what they were ordering before and when those get stolen each month, they will be out of stock until the next month. They aren't going to go out of their way to constantly restock endless quantities of an item that they know is unprofitable due to "shrinkage". The cost of getting the existing quantities of "ethnic" (black) hair products stolen each month will be one more cost of doing business in minority areas, like having extra security guards.

    In general, Big Business likes black shoppers. They don't quibble about price, they are less likely to "want to speak to the manager" like white Karens, they don't have high expectations for level of service and cleanliness, etc. When the food stamps come in, they go to town and load up their carts with high margin junk food. When they have money they are really great customers. And American blacks DO have money (at least temporarily each time they get paid). As soon as it comes it, it goes out again. Not like cheap Asian and Jew bastards who hoard their money in banks and don't keep it moving.

    Replies: @bigdicknick, @snorlax, @Jim Don Bob, @Buffalo Joe

    In general, Big Business likes black shoppers. They don’t quibble about price, they are less likely to “want to speak to the manager” like white Karens

    As a teenager I worked the register at a supermarket. I’d estimate that black customers were 5-10x (and customers of any race who paid by EBT card 10-20x) more likely than others to dispute prices or demand to speak to the manager. To be fair, disputing prices seemed like more of a class thing than a race thing, and only white women ever actually tried to get me in trouble with my manager.

    Blacks were also very, very likely to make unusual and time-consuming requests, seemingly because they enjoyed making a white person wait on them. For example, asking that their order be triple-bagged (i.e. a paper bag inside another paper bag inside a plastic bag). Around a third of black customers requested this; I don’t think I ever had a non-black customer do so.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @snorlax

    It's my guess that the blacks were asking for triple bags because they were going to have to lug the groceries home on foot and/or on the bus vs. the white people who just had to get the groceries from their cart to the trunk of their car and from the car to the kitchen. It wasn't just to give you a hard time.

    Replies: @snorlax, @Buffalo Joe

  41. Supermarkets lock up cans of powdered baby formula not because desperate mothers steal it to feed their infants…

    And desperate wannabe mothers steal it to add water to produce a baby of their own.

    Oh, wait… That’s in Africa:

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/label-fable/

  42. @Jack D
    @Skyler_the_Weird

    They will probably order an amount similar to what they were ordering before and when those get stolen each month, they will be out of stock until the next month. They aren't going to go out of their way to constantly restock endless quantities of an item that they know is unprofitable due to "shrinkage". The cost of getting the existing quantities of "ethnic" (black) hair products stolen each month will be one more cost of doing business in minority areas, like having extra security guards.

    In general, Big Business likes black shoppers. They don't quibble about price, they are less likely to "want to speak to the manager" like white Karens, they don't have high expectations for level of service and cleanliness, etc. When the food stamps come in, they go to town and load up their carts with high margin junk food. When they have money they are really great customers. And American blacks DO have money (at least temporarily each time they get paid). As soon as it comes it, it goes out again. Not like cheap Asian and Jew bastards who hoard their money in banks and don't keep it moving.

    Replies: @bigdicknick, @snorlax, @Jim Don Bob, @Buffalo Joe

    I was in a redneck Walmart the other day. The entrance used to be wide open. Now they have these metal waist-high one way gates across the entrance.

  43. @Haruto Rat
    Do they follow the anti-Irish policy of locking up whiskey?

    Replies: @Whiskey, @Reg Cæsar

    I am free. For now. See you in the camps!

    • Thanks: Haruto Rat
  44. By Neil Vigdor and Elisha Brown

    Neil Vigdor = Virile dong.

    Elisha Brown
    = Baseline “Who”.

    I had to look up the sex of Elisha. It’s a man’s name– e.g., Eli(sha) Manning, or Dep. Gov. Elisha Brown of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations.

    Here is her Twitter feed: https://mobile.twitter.com/elishacbrown?lang=en

    This may or may not be her:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_banners/20899371/1491005580/1080×360

    These products aren’t locked up, they’re illegal, at least in Canada:

    ‘Whiter skin in 14 days’: Tracking the illegal sale of skin-whitening creams in Canada

  45. @prosa123
    Supermarkets lock up cans of powdered baby formula not because desperate mothers steal it to feed their infants, but because drug dealers steal it to use as an extender in cocaine.
    Which shows that drug dealers are stupid - they certainly could afford to buy it and not risk getting busted for shoplifting.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Jack D, @Alden, @fish

    It was my understanding that there are organized shoplifting gangs which target certain items (baby formula, razors, etc.) because they can be readily resold to bodegas (ghetto corner stores) whose immigrant owners are not too picky about where they get their products from as long as the price is right.

    I think that there are better, cheaper products such as lactose that can be used to dilute powdered drugs. Baby formula does not resemble cocaine sufficiently in color or texture.

    So the people stealing baby formula are often addicts but they are not using the stuff directly. It’s just a high value product with a ready market. Other popular items include printer ink cartridges (ironic because they are ALREADY a rip off), OTC medications, meat, energy drinks, etc. You can catch up on the latest trends based upon what merchants keep behind the counter or on the shelf with special devices that are intended to make it difficult to just sweep the entire shelf into your bag.

    • Thanks: vhrm
    • Replies: @vhrm
    @Jack D

    thanks, i often wondered what the deal was with the specific things that Walgreens has under lock and key around here, and this explanation makes sense..

    , @PSR
    @Jack D

    We live about ten minutes from a Kroger store and three years ago they built a bunch of cheapo section 8 apartment buildings about half a mile down the road. First the bottles of liquor near the entrance started sporting anti-theft tops, then cameras appeared throughout the store ("for your safety and security"), then finally those devices that lock grocery cart wheels at the edge of the parking lot. All because of the apartment comlex riff raff.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

  46. @snorlax
    @Jack D


    In general, Big Business likes black shoppers. They don’t quibble about price, they are less likely to “want to speak to the manager” like white Karens
     
    As a teenager I worked the register at a supermarket. I'd estimate that black customers were 5-10x (and customers of any race who paid by EBT card 10-20x) more likely than others to dispute prices or demand to speak to the manager. To be fair, disputing prices seemed like more of a class thing than a race thing, and only white women ever actually tried to get me in trouble with my manager.

    Blacks were also very, very likely to make unusual and time-consuming requests, seemingly because they enjoyed making a white person wait on them. For example, asking that their order be triple-bagged (i.e. a paper bag inside another paper bag inside a plastic bag). Around a third of black customers requested this; I don't think I ever had a non-black customer do so.

    Replies: @Jack D

    It’s my guess that the blacks were asking for triple bags because they were going to have to lug the groceries home on foot and/or on the bus vs. the white people who just had to get the groceries from their cart to the trunk of their car and from the car to the kitchen. It wasn’t just to give you a hard time.

    • Agree: Alden, Kyle
    • Replies: @snorlax
    @Jack D

    This was a suburban supermarket and I don't believe there was any way to get to it except by car. But you do make a good point in that some of them may have been used to asking for their groceries that way.

    That said it did seem like the motivation was mostly to give me a hard time, given all the other unusual and time-consuming requests they made. Of course they were really only giving the people waiting behind them a hard time; I didn't care if a customer was taking a long time to complete the checkout process.

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Jack D

    Jack, the main mode of product movement in the inner city is by stolen shopping carts at about $150 to $300 per cart. Stolen carts are a huge loss for any store that offers them to their customers.

  47. @res
    This paper is kind of interesting in this context.
    https://ccjls.scholasticahq.com/article/9910-it-s-just-shoplifting-or-is-it-examining-court-processing-of-shoplifting-before-and-after-the-passage-of-mississippi-house-bill-585

    The paper focuses on a single city in Mississippi which is 60% black and 37% white. Over the past decade shoplifting accounted for 22% of all arrests. They looked at shoplifting data from 2009-2018 (HB585 passed in 2014).

    One interesting tidbit from Table 1 is that whites were actually overrepresented (relative to population proportion) in shoplifting arrests (41.6% W, 57.3% B).

    Part of what makes this paper interesting is that Walmart accounted for 48.9% of the arrests. Table 2 shows that incidents involving blacks were less likely at Walmart (correlation -0.134) and that arrests at Walmart increased significantly after HB585 (correlation 0.394).

    I wish they had broken down Table 1 by before and after HB585. My guess is Walmart was under fire and significantly increased the arrest (and prosecution) rate for whites post-HB585. Figure 2 shows a clear change in racial balance of court cases starting in 2015, but there is not enough information presented to tell how much of that was from Walmart.

    The following year in 2016 there was a sharp drop in court cases for females (in particular, black females, see Figures 3 and 4).

    Another interesting tidbit (both for the factual content and the capitalization convention):


    Thus, despite a large body of research that suggests being Black is a strike against an individual in the criminal justice system, it appears that, with shoplifting charges in this jurisdiction, being White was associated with greater likelihood of a guilty verdict.

     

    Summary of HB 585 below.


    Prior to HB 585, shoplifting (1st and 2nd offense) of $500 or less was considered a misdemeanor and punishable by up to six months in jail, a fine of up to $1000, or both. Shoplifting (3rd and subsequent offenses) of $500 or less was enhanced to a felony and punishable by up to five years in prison, a fine of $5000, or both. Shoplifting of $500-$1000 was automatically enhanced to a felony and punishable by up to 10 years in prison (see Mississippi House Bill 1121, 2003, pp. 6-7 for previous shoplifting statute).

    HB 585 (2014) changed the sentencing guidelines for shoplifting. HB 585 classified shoplifting (1st and 2nd offense) of amounts up to $1000 and 3rd and subsequent offenses up to $500 as misdemeanors and punishable by up to six months in the county jail, a fine of not more than $1000, or both. Unless the court finds reason why the individual engaging in shoplifting cannot be safely and effectively supervised in the community, the court suspends any sentence of jail time and sentences the individual to probation not exceeding one year. Third and subsequent offenses of $500-$1000 are considered felonies and punishable by up to three years in prison, a fine of $1000, or both (see Mississippi House Bill 585, 2014, pp. 60-63 for current shoplifting statute). Essentially, there is no maximum limit on the number of shoplifting offenses one can accrue to avoid getting a felony charge, as long as the 3rd or subsequent offense does not exceed $500. Until that point, all of the shoplifting offenses will be considered misdemeanors and treated
    accordingly.
     

    Replies: @Jack D, @Buffalo Joe

    Sadly, the American white working class (the type of folks who shop at WalMart) has been undergoing a process of Negrification as their foothold on the middle class has slipped further and further out of reach. More out of wedlock births, more drug addiction, more petty crime such as shoplifting to support their drug habits. Even their culture has become more “black” – listening to rap music and affecting ghetto fashions, etc. Instead of our black people raising themselves up and acting more white and middle class, the opposite has happened.

    • Agree: PSR
  48. @Bumpkin
    I remember decades ago that the video game disks were kept under lock and key at Walmart and other dept. stores, to keep the teenagers, black or white, from stealing them. Grounds for an age discrimination lawsuit today? I wonder if that race-hustling lawsuit was dropped because it was dead simple for the store to show the much higher robbery rate for those black products.

    Replies: @Paul, @Alden

    In discrimination lawsuits, truth doesn’t matter.

    That’s what the doctrine of disparate representation means. For instance, Kaiser vs Weber 1979 the Supreme Court found that it was discrimination to require that a steel mill foreman be able to read memos, operations manuals, other materials, and have a high school diploma.

    I’d love to see men between 16 and 35 get a Supreme Court finding that higher auto insurance rates for that then is “ clear and present evidence of discrimination” and orders that auto insurance rates for all demographics be the same.

  49. @prosa123
    Supermarkets lock up cans of powdered baby formula not because desperate mothers steal it to feed their infants, but because drug dealers steal it to use as an extender in cocaine.
    Which shows that drug dealers are stupid - they certainly could afford to buy it and not risk getting busted for shoplifting.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Jack D, @Alden, @fish

    The drug dealers don’t steal the baby formula. Professional shoplifters steal the baby formula and sell it to the cocaine processors . It’s a regular product chain of distribution.

  50. @Jack D
    @snorlax

    It's my guess that the blacks were asking for triple bags because they were going to have to lug the groceries home on foot and/or on the bus vs. the white people who just had to get the groceries from their cart to the trunk of their car and from the car to the kitchen. It wasn't just to give you a hard time.

    Replies: @snorlax, @Buffalo Joe

    This was a suburban supermarket and I don’t believe there was any way to get to it except by car. But you do make a good point in that some of them may have been used to asking for their groceries that way.

    That said it did seem like the motivation was mostly to give me a hard time, given all the other unusual and time-consuming requests they made. Of course they were really only giving the people waiting behind them a hard time; I didn’t care if a customer was taking a long time to complete the checkout process.

  51. nothing new. Philadelphia made it illegal to operate a no cash business, because a lot of africans can only pay in cash, so they would be unable to do business in a city that was moving towards mostly cash free stores.

    this makes you wonder how africans in Sweden pay for anything, since Sweden moved aggressively to eliminate cash over the last decade.

  52. @william munny
    Not good enough. Now the Indian shopkeepers have to put the Newports back out in front of the counter. Liquor stores and Chinese restaurants in the ghetto cannot have bulletproof glass no matter how many times they have been robbed. No more security guards at Waffle Houses in the South. No metal detectors at courthouses, where poc are more likely to be oppressed.

    Replies: @bomag, @bigdicknick, @International Jew

    No metal detectors at courthouses?! Where? Or is that just your wry prediction of what’s coming down the pike?

    • Replies: @william munny
    @International Jew

    Not yet, but I can see it coming. It presumes that poc are armed or is meant to intimidate innocent poc to plead guilty to crimes, or some shit.

    , @GMR
    @International Jew

    Certain schools in CT are eliminating the police that guard the entrances -- we're not too far from Sandy Hook. But now, police are bad apparently, even though the Sandy Hook guy was white white white.

  53. @Jane Plain
    They don’t quibble about price, they are less likely to “want to speak to the manager” like white Karens,

    Any man who uses the racial slur "Karen" should be written off.

    Replies: @anon, @Mike1, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Any man who uses the racial slur “Karen” should be written off.

    Boring troll. Probably can’t even read cursive.
    Sad!

    • LOL: Buffalo Joe
  54. I see one of two possibilities:
    1. As another commenter said they will slowly phase out “black” products. or
    2. They will simply raise the prices on “white” products in other words honest, responsible people will be paying for worthless, useless “black” people.

    I’m sorry they’re not useless – they’re good at running around in funny costumes playing with their balls.

  55. @Jack D
    @prosa123

    It was my understanding that there are organized shoplifting gangs which target certain items (baby formula, razors, etc.) because they can be readily resold to bodegas (ghetto corner stores) whose immigrant owners are not too picky about where they get their products from as long as the price is right.

    I think that there are better, cheaper products such as lactose that can be used to dilute powdered drugs. Baby formula does not resemble cocaine sufficiently in color or texture.

    So the people stealing baby formula are often addicts but they are not using the stuff directly. It's just a high value product with a ready market. Other popular items include printer ink cartridges (ironic because they are ALREADY a rip off), OTC medications, meat, energy drinks, etc. You can catch up on the latest trends based upon what merchants keep behind the counter or on the shelf with special devices that are intended to make it difficult to just sweep the entire shelf into your bag.

    Replies: @vhrm, @PSR

    thanks, i often wondered what the deal was with the specific things that Walgreens has under lock and key around here, and this explanation makes sense..

  56. PSR says:
    @Jack D
    @prosa123

    It was my understanding that there are organized shoplifting gangs which target certain items (baby formula, razors, etc.) because they can be readily resold to bodegas (ghetto corner stores) whose immigrant owners are not too picky about where they get their products from as long as the price is right.

    I think that there are better, cheaper products such as lactose that can be used to dilute powdered drugs. Baby formula does not resemble cocaine sufficiently in color or texture.

    So the people stealing baby formula are often addicts but they are not using the stuff directly. It's just a high value product with a ready market. Other popular items include printer ink cartridges (ironic because they are ALREADY a rip off), OTC medications, meat, energy drinks, etc. You can catch up on the latest trends based upon what merchants keep behind the counter or on the shelf with special devices that are intended to make it difficult to just sweep the entire shelf into your bag.

    Replies: @vhrm, @PSR

    We live about ten minutes from a Kroger store and three years ago they built a bunch of cheapo section 8 apartment buildings about half a mile down the road. First the bottles of liquor near the entrance started sporting anti-theft tops, then cameras appeared throughout the store (“for your safety and security”), then finally those devices that lock grocery cart wheels at the edge of the parking lot. All because of the apartment comlex riff raff.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @PSR

    And all that security costs money which means higher prices which we all pay.

    I sure hope the guys who had slaves way back when made a lot of money on their cotton because we are still paying for it.

  57. @International Jew
    @william munny

    No metal detectors at courthouses?! Where? Or is that just your wry prediction of what's coming down the pike?

    Replies: @william munny, @GMR

    Not yet, but I can see it coming. It presumes that poc are armed or is meant to intimidate innocent poc to plead guilty to crimes, or some shit.

  58. @International Jew
    @william munny

    No metal detectors at courthouses?! Where? Or is that just your wry prediction of what's coming down the pike?

    Replies: @william munny, @GMR

    Certain schools in CT are eliminating the police that guard the entrances — we’re not too far from Sandy Hook. But now, police are bad apparently, even though the Sandy Hook guy was white white white.

  59. Walmart will stock far fewer black hair care items.

  60. @Skyler_the_Weird
    They'll just say they're out and encourage you to buy it online. I'm wondering how the shoplifting has subsided since Corona Chan? Most theft should be internal though Wal-Mart being open still allows undocumented shoppers .

    Replies: @Joe Magarac, @Jack D, @J S Raggmann, @Achmed E. Newman

    Unfortunately, the undocumented shopping can still shift to on-line, Skyler, via the porch pirates. The delivery folks take pictures nowadays (but that doesn’t stop THEM from coming back to get your shit), and there is tracking of course. It’s going to get really hard to pin down who is to eat the costs on these things. Perhaps it’ll be mostly the on-line retailers, and they will spread those losses out – meaning YOU will pay more, same way as at the “Brick & Mortar” boxes.

    That’s just another win for people in exurbs and rural areas. It’s not worth the trouble and risk to drive around remote areas looking for stuff on the porch.

    The real solution for this is a big UPS-drop-box type dealy for residents. Make it heavy or secured enough to the house, to make stealing it very difficult, make a way for the UPS/Fed-Ex/USPS to drop in big boxes using a code lock (could be a code that gets created and emailed to the shipper on a per-shipment basis), and there you go. I thought of this thing years ago, but maybe now would be the time for it.

    .

    PS: I know people have cameras, but I don’t think the cops can go, you know, “policing the whole city” [/Chief Wiggens] for any face that might be identified.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I've noticed with Amazon Ring doorbells that if people are in, they always answer it like a conventional doorbell. Thus I suspect that if they answer via phone, they're not in.

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @Achmed E. Newman

    In the suburbs of the Imperial Capital, Amazon has large yellow outdoor lockers at places like 7-11 where you can pick up your order and return packages. I expect to see more and more of them, along with people having packages shipped to where they work. And of course, this costs money too.

    https://housing.ucdavis.edu/_images/3rd_party/amazon-lockers-low-8S5A0010.jpg

  61. @Colin Wright
    Walmart will probably just return to avoiding having stores in black areas.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute

    Walmart will probably just return to avoiding having stores in black areas.

    That’s what jumped out at me, I saw something like 4500 stores and a dozen where they lock up the negro “hair” products.

    I’d bet that those dozen have all been looted completely and expect them to be closed permanently.

  62. @Jane Plain
    They don’t quibble about price, they are less likely to “want to speak to the manager” like white Karens,

    Any man who uses the racial slur "Karen" should be written off.

    Replies: @anon, @Mike1, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Whiny, entitled older white women are a thing. They are particularly awful when they are doing jobs they consider beneath them and flip out when you ask a routine question.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @Mike1

    I call that 'Receptionist Syndrome'. I'd never considered the whiny, entitled older white woman aspect before. I go in smiling, polite and ready for a pleasant encounter and instead get annoying static over what should be a simple interaction. Something about my demeanour seems to trigger a certain type.

    Generally I assume it's a symptom of stupidity and lack of imagination on their part. This know nothing attitude seems more prevalent among women than men.

    It's only happened a handful of time but enough for me to notice it.

    A few years ago I was near a friend's workplace, I'd said I'd collect him after work and drive him home. I arrive in the reception area.

    Me: "Hello, I've come to pick up XXX. I haven't got my phone on me, could you ring him and let him know I'm here, thanks."

    Her (aggressive): "XXX? There's no one with that name working here."

    At that very moment he walks in, nods to her and she acknowledges him. They fcking know each other! We leave while I fume about her insolence.

  63. @prosa123
    Supermarkets lock up cans of powdered baby formula not because desperate mothers steal it to feed their infants, but because drug dealers steal it to use as an extender in cocaine.
    Which shows that drug dealers are stupid - they certainly could afford to buy it and not risk getting busted for shoplifting.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Jack D, @Alden, @fish

    Anybody know the reason for the sudden affection for Tide™ laundry detergent that developed in the more “urban” areas one the last couple of years?

  64. @OilcanFloyd
    The local Wal-Mart was playing a message from the CEO acknowledging the sorrow that everyone feels at the moment, and pledging solidarity with blacks. It was pathetic and sounded damn creepy coming over the loudspeakers in the parking lot.

    Lowe's does something now with social messaging over loudspeakers for customers coming in from the parking lot. I just want to go shopping, not receive programming and messages from Big Brother.

    Replies: @Ray P, @BenKenobi, @Achmed E. Newman

    “Welcome to Costco: I love you.”

  65. @black sea
    @Ed

    If they stop selling these items, racism.

    If they keep these items locked in a case, racism.

    If these items are shop-lifted and an employee alerts a security guard, racism.

    If the security guard tries in any way to detain the suspects, racism.

    If, God forbid, somebody calls the police, racism.

    If the police miraculously arrive in time and attempt to arrest the suspects, racism.

    If one of the suspects is physically subdued after resisting arrest, racism.

    Maybe they should just start giving these items away as a gesture of support for BLM, and try to get some good press out of it.

    Replies: @Herzog

    Since there is no way to escape the racism charge anyway, why not just embrace racism? Sheep and lamb and all that …

  66. In related news, Walmart doubles prices on Af-Am “beauty” products.

  67. As recently as the late 80s in Australia, there were still pubs that didn’t let abos into the lounge or even the front bar. Instead, they sold grog to them via a small window opening onto the footpath.

    I thought that was a good idea. It’s a pity practical design took a knee to inclusion.

    Someone should ask the Walmart CEO at the next AGM to provide a breakdown by race for leakage stats.

  68. @Jack D
    @Skyler_the_Weird

    They will probably order an amount similar to what they were ordering before and when those get stolen each month, they will be out of stock until the next month. They aren't going to go out of their way to constantly restock endless quantities of an item that they know is unprofitable due to "shrinkage". The cost of getting the existing quantities of "ethnic" (black) hair products stolen each month will be one more cost of doing business in minority areas, like having extra security guards.

    In general, Big Business likes black shoppers. They don't quibble about price, they are less likely to "want to speak to the manager" like white Karens, they don't have high expectations for level of service and cleanliness, etc. When the food stamps come in, they go to town and load up their carts with high margin junk food. When they have money they are really great customers. And American blacks DO have money (at least temporarily each time they get paid). As soon as it comes it, it goes out again. Not like cheap Asian and Jew bastards who hoard their money in banks and don't keep it moving.

    Replies: @bigdicknick, @snorlax, @Jim Don Bob, @Buffalo Joe

    Jack, Wal-Mart built a “super store” on Walden Ave. in Buffalo’s first ring suburb of Cheektowaga. They did not allow city buses to enter and drop off customers. Well, of course that was racist so now the city buses have a stop on the property. The giant Walden Galleria, also on the same street in Cheektowaga did the same thing and then reversed. You can find online videos of brawls at the Galleria, including my favorite of a woman holding her baby while throwing punches. NOW MOST INTERESTING….Wegman’s had a store on the same street, same Cheektowaga and CLOSED IT. That’s right. Wegman’s known far and wide as a great store and employer, closed their store in Cheektowaga. Wegman’s store in Buffalo, they only have one in the city, has armed security, and a suv labeled assest management patrolling the parking lot monitoring cart theft. The only Wegman’s I have ever seen with big signs stating “Video Surveillance” Wonder why?

  69. @res
    This paper is kind of interesting in this context.
    https://ccjls.scholasticahq.com/article/9910-it-s-just-shoplifting-or-is-it-examining-court-processing-of-shoplifting-before-and-after-the-passage-of-mississippi-house-bill-585

    The paper focuses on a single city in Mississippi which is 60% black and 37% white. Over the past decade shoplifting accounted for 22% of all arrests. They looked at shoplifting data from 2009-2018 (HB585 passed in 2014).

    One interesting tidbit from Table 1 is that whites were actually overrepresented (relative to population proportion) in shoplifting arrests (41.6% W, 57.3% B).

    Part of what makes this paper interesting is that Walmart accounted for 48.9% of the arrests. Table 2 shows that incidents involving blacks were less likely at Walmart (correlation -0.134) and that arrests at Walmart increased significantly after HB585 (correlation 0.394).

    I wish they had broken down Table 1 by before and after HB585. My guess is Walmart was under fire and significantly increased the arrest (and prosecution) rate for whites post-HB585. Figure 2 shows a clear change in racial balance of court cases starting in 2015, but there is not enough information presented to tell how much of that was from Walmart.

    The following year in 2016 there was a sharp drop in court cases for females (in particular, black females, see Figures 3 and 4).

    Another interesting tidbit (both for the factual content and the capitalization convention):


    Thus, despite a large body of research that suggests being Black is a strike against an individual in the criminal justice system, it appears that, with shoplifting charges in this jurisdiction, being White was associated with greater likelihood of a guilty verdict.

     

    Summary of HB 585 below.


    Prior to HB 585, shoplifting (1st and 2nd offense) of $500 or less was considered a misdemeanor and punishable by up to six months in jail, a fine of up to $1000, or both. Shoplifting (3rd and subsequent offenses) of $500 or less was enhanced to a felony and punishable by up to five years in prison, a fine of $5000, or both. Shoplifting of $500-$1000 was automatically enhanced to a felony and punishable by up to 10 years in prison (see Mississippi House Bill 1121, 2003, pp. 6-7 for previous shoplifting statute).

    HB 585 (2014) changed the sentencing guidelines for shoplifting. HB 585 classified shoplifting (1st and 2nd offense) of amounts up to $1000 and 3rd and subsequent offenses up to $500 as misdemeanors and punishable by up to six months in the county jail, a fine of not more than $1000, or both. Unless the court finds reason why the individual engaging in shoplifting cannot be safely and effectively supervised in the community, the court suspends any sentence of jail time and sentences the individual to probation not exceeding one year. Third and subsequent offenses of $500-$1000 are considered felonies and punishable by up to three years in prison, a fine of $1000, or both (see Mississippi House Bill 585, 2014, pp. 60-63 for current shoplifting statute). Essentially, there is no maximum limit on the number of shoplifting offenses one can accrue to avoid getting a felony charge, as long as the 3rd or subsequent offense does not exceed $500. Until that point, all of the shoplifting offenses will be considered misdemeanors and treated
    accordingly.
     

    Replies: @Jack D, @Buffalo Joe

    res, the Oberlin College lawsuit was because three black students said they were profiled by the store owner for shoplifting. Truth was the owner called the police on every shoplifter, mostly OC students, and IIRC, the percentage of white and blacks matched the college’s enrollment. In this case rushing to the black students’ defense cost Oberlin $39,000,000.

  70. @Possumman
    Notice that the work boots in the shoe department are not kept behind lock and key!

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Neither are the books.

  71. @Jack D
    @snorlax

    It's my guess that the blacks were asking for triple bags because they were going to have to lug the groceries home on foot and/or on the bus vs. the white people who just had to get the groceries from their cart to the trunk of their car and from the car to the kitchen. It wasn't just to give you a hard time.

    Replies: @snorlax, @Buffalo Joe

    Jack, the main mode of product movement in the inner city is by stolen shopping carts at about $150 to $300 per cart. Stolen carts are a huge loss for any store that offers them to their customers.

  72. @Ed
    Wal-Mart is a very data heavy organization. If they put these items in a locked cabinet or whatever, it’s because they were walking out the door a lot. When all this is done they may quietly remove these items from the shelves altogether.

    Replies: @Farenheit, @J S Raggmann, @black sea, @El Dato, @Gamecock

    Loss prevention is a bit of a show. Asset losses are almost entirely by . . . employees.

  73. @OilcanFloyd
    The local Wal-Mart was playing a message from the CEO acknowledging the sorrow that everyone feels at the moment, and pledging solidarity with blacks. It was pathetic and sounded damn creepy coming over the loudspeakers in the parking lot.

    Lowe's does something now with social messaging over loudspeakers for customers coming in from the parking lot. I just want to go shopping, not receive programming and messages from Big Brother.

    Replies: @Ray P, @BenKenobi, @Achmed E. Newman

    sounded damn creepy coming over the loudspeakers

  74. @El Dato
    @Ed

    "Economic Pressure has Consequences"

    I wonder whether shops will at some point become "clubs". You must have a "club card" to enter, and your application may be delayed for unspecified reasons...

    Replies: @J S Raggmann

    Enclosed malls could become exclusive clubs, if any malls survive the double whammy of the plandemic and the current hubbub. Can’t get into the mall unless you have a membership card that costs $250. Of course, after someone buys a card, the mall quietly mails the club member $350 of coupons redeemable at any mall store. I guess the mall should also ban sales of athletic shoes and team jerseys.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @J S Raggmann

    Costco costs $110 per year to shop at. It makes for an orderly set of customers.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

  75. @Haruto Rat
    Do they follow the anti-Irish policy of locking up whiskey?

    Replies: @Whiskey, @Reg Cæsar

    Do they follow the anti-Irish policy of locking up whiskey?

    However, whisky is still available, so Scots aren’t inconvenienced.

  76. Maybe Walmart will unlock the ammo now.

    • Replies: @Slim
    @Mike Tre

    I hope not. I like it being in stock when i go there.

  77. @J S Raggmann
    @El Dato

    Enclosed malls could become exclusive clubs, if any malls survive the double whammy of the plandemic and the current hubbub. Can't get into the mall unless you have a membership card that costs $250. Of course, after someone buys a card, the mall quietly mails the club member $350 of coupons redeemable at any mall store. I guess the mall should also ban sales of athletic shoes and team jerseys.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Costco costs $110 per year to shop at. It makes for an orderly set of customers.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Steve Sailer

    Steve, I have been involved in setting up dozens of food festivals. A $5 entrance fee changes the complextion of your event. And that is a good thing.

  78. @Jane Plain
    They don’t quibble about price, they are less likely to “want to speak to the manager” like white Karens,

    Any man who uses the racial slur "Karen" should be written off.

    Replies: @anon, @Mike1, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Any man who uses the racial slur “Karen” should be written off.

    “Karens” blow. Other than that, they’re useless.

  79. @Steve Sailer
    @J S Raggmann

    Costco costs $110 per year to shop at. It makes for an orderly set of customers.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Steve, I have been involved in setting up dozens of food festivals. A $5 entrance fee changes the complextion of your event. And that is a good thing.

  80. Anon[169] • Disclaimer says:

    I went aGoogling on the topic of WalMart shoplifting policies and practices; interesting, but I won’t go into that here.

    But I stumbled across this video of black jogger Ahmaud Arbert being arrested in 2017 for lifting a 65-inch television from WalMart.

    Video at bottom after countless video stills as is the Daily Mail style:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8337983/Bodycam-video-appears-Ahmaud-Arbery-cuffed-attempting-steal-TV-2017.html

    The cop is very laid back … a bit reckless if you ask me.

    • Replies: @vhrm
    @Anon

    Interesting.

    It does however show something about police activity that i have a problem with:
    1) before issuing any order to sit down the officer should have clearly stated that he is "detaining" them. Without that, to me be is just being bossy.

    And even then i don't think it's a valid request, making people sit on curbs, what am I, an animal?

    2) similarly. 1st he should have said the person is under arrest and THEN told him to lie down and put hands on him.
    Otherwise, "who the f are you and why are you touching me?" it's a valid response, imo.

    It's basically the equivalent of a no knock warrant.

    Modern cop procedures really are out of step with the world in some ways.

  81. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Skyler_the_Weird

    Unfortunately, the undocumented shopping can still shift to on-line, Skyler, via the porch pirates. The delivery folks take pictures nowadays (but that doesn't stop THEM from coming back to get your shit), and there is tracking of course. It's going to get really hard to pin down who is to eat the costs on these things. Perhaps it'll be mostly the on-line retailers, and they will spread those losses out - meaning YOU will pay more, same way as at the "Brick & Mortar" boxes.

    That's just another win for people in exurbs and rural areas. It's not worth the trouble and risk to drive around remote areas looking for stuff on the porch.

    The real solution for this is a big UPS-drop-box type dealy for residents. Make it heavy or secured enough to the house, to make stealing it very difficult, make a way for the UPS/Fed-Ex/USPS to drop in big boxes using a code lock (could be a code that gets created and emailed to the shipper on a per-shipment basis), and there you go. I thought of this thing years ago, but maybe now would be the time for it.

    .

    PS: I know people have cameras, but I don't think the cops can go, you know, "policing the whole city" [/Chief Wiggens] for any face that might be identified.

    Replies: @Lurker, @Jim Don Bob

    I’ve noticed with Amazon Ring doorbells that if people are in, they always answer it like a conventional doorbell. Thus I suspect that if they answer via phone, they’re not in.

  82. @Mike1
    @Jane Plain

    Whiny, entitled older white women are a thing. They are particularly awful when they are doing jobs they consider beneath them and flip out when you ask a routine question.

    Replies: @Lurker

    I call that ‘Receptionist Syndrome’. I’d never considered the whiny, entitled older white woman aspect before. I go in smiling, polite and ready for a pleasant encounter and instead get annoying static over what should be a simple interaction. Something about my demeanour seems to trigger a certain type.

    Generally I assume it’s a symptom of stupidity and lack of imagination on their part. This know nothing attitude seems more prevalent among women than men.

    It’s only happened a handful of time but enough for me to notice it.

    A few years ago I was near a friend’s workplace, I’d said I’d collect him after work and drive him home. I arrive in the reception area.

    Me: “Hello, I’ve come to pick up XXX. I haven’t got my phone on me, could you ring him and let him know I’m here, thanks.”

    Her (aggressive): “XXX? There’s no one with that name working here.”

    At that very moment he walks in, nods to her and she acknowledges him. They fcking know each other! We leave while I fume about her insolence.

  83. @Anon
    I went aGoogling on the topic of WalMart shoplifting policies and practices; interesting, but I won’t go into that here.

    But I stumbled across this video of black jogger Ahmaud Arbert being arrested in 2017 for lifting a 65-inch television from WalMart.

    Video at bottom after countless video stills as is the Daily Mail style:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8337983/Bodycam-video-appears-Ahmaud-Arbery-cuffed-attempting-steal-TV-2017.html

    The cop is very laid back ... a bit reckless if you ask me.

    Replies: @vhrm

    Interesting.

    It does however show something about police activity that i have a problem with:
    1) before issuing any order to sit down the officer should have clearly stated that he is “detaining” them. Without that, to me be is just being bossy.

    And even then i don’t think it’s a valid request, making people sit on curbs, what am I, an animal?

    2) similarly. 1st he should have said the person is under arrest and THEN told him to lie down and put hands on him.
    Otherwise, “who the f are you and why are you touching me?” it’s a valid response, imo.

    It’s basically the equivalent of a no knock warrant.

    Modern cop procedures really are out of step with the world in some ways.

  84. They will understock it purposely. Wal*Mart knows what their shrink is by SKU by store by the minute. CVS and Walgreens will get that traffic.

  85. @Mike Tre
    Maybe Walmart will unlock the ammo now.

    Replies: @Slim

    I hope not. I like it being in stock when i go there.

  86. @PSR
    @Jack D

    We live about ten minutes from a Kroger store and three years ago they built a bunch of cheapo section 8 apartment buildings about half a mile down the road. First the bottles of liquor near the entrance started sporting anti-theft tops, then cameras appeared throughout the store ("for your safety and security"), then finally those devices that lock grocery cart wheels at the edge of the parking lot. All because of the apartment comlex riff raff.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    And all that security costs money which means higher prices which we all pay.

    I sure hope the guys who had slaves way back when made a lot of money on their cotton because we are still paying for it.

  87. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Skyler_the_Weird

    Unfortunately, the undocumented shopping can still shift to on-line, Skyler, via the porch pirates. The delivery folks take pictures nowadays (but that doesn't stop THEM from coming back to get your shit), and there is tracking of course. It's going to get really hard to pin down who is to eat the costs on these things. Perhaps it'll be mostly the on-line retailers, and they will spread those losses out - meaning YOU will pay more, same way as at the "Brick & Mortar" boxes.

    That's just another win for people in exurbs and rural areas. It's not worth the trouble and risk to drive around remote areas looking for stuff on the porch.

    The real solution for this is a big UPS-drop-box type dealy for residents. Make it heavy or secured enough to the house, to make stealing it very difficult, make a way for the UPS/Fed-Ex/USPS to drop in big boxes using a code lock (could be a code that gets created and emailed to the shipper on a per-shipment basis), and there you go. I thought of this thing years ago, but maybe now would be the time for it.

    .

    PS: I know people have cameras, but I don't think the cops can go, you know, "policing the whole city" [/Chief Wiggens] for any face that might be identified.

    Replies: @Lurker, @Jim Don Bob

    In the suburbs of the Imperial Capital, Amazon has large yellow outdoor lockers at places like 7-11 where you can pick up your order and return packages. I expect to see more and more of them, along with people having packages shipped to where they work. And of course, this costs money too.

  88. Enough already, 60 years of catering to POC (People Of Crime) has done nothing but destroy America.

  89. @OilcanFloyd
    The local Wal-Mart was playing a message from the CEO acknowledging the sorrow that everyone feels at the moment, and pledging solidarity with blacks. It was pathetic and sounded damn creepy coming over the loudspeakers in the parking lot.

    Lowe's does something now with social messaging over loudspeakers for customers coming in from the parking lot. I just want to go shopping, not receive programming and messages from Big Brother.

    Replies: @Ray P, @BenKenobi, @Achmed E. Newman

    I hate that crap, Oil Can. I would have considered walking right back to my car, but when you need building materials, on-line doesn’t usually cut it.

    Thanks for prepping me up for this nonsense. Maybe I’ll wear ear plugs, but I hate the reduction in awareness. I do understand why some young people (especially) wear their headsets all the time. It’s great to be able to drown that stuff out, but you lose some safety factor.

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I walked back to my car and drove across the parking lot to the Home Depot next door where there were no messages playing.

    The really annoying part was when the messages were played in Spanish. It seemed like one of scenes from the the indoctrination camps in the movie Red Dawn.

  90. @Achmed E. Newman
    @OilcanFloyd

    I hate that crap, Oil Can. I would have considered walking right back to my car, but when you need building materials, on-line doesn't usually cut it.

    Thanks for prepping me up for this nonsense. Maybe I'll wear ear plugs, but I hate the reduction in awareness. I do understand why some young people (especially) wear their headsets all the time. It's great to be able to drown that stuff out, but you lose some safety factor.

    Replies: @OilcanFloyd

    I walked back to my car and drove across the parking lot to the Home Depot next door where there were no messages playing.

    The really annoying part was when the messages were played in Spanish. It seemed like one of scenes from the the indoctrination camps in the movie Red Dawn.

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