The Unz Review: An Alternative Media Selection
A Collection of Interesting, Important, and Controversial Perspectives Largely Excluded from the American Mainstream Media
 TeasersiSteve Blog
Veteran "New Yorker" Pundit Takes a Break from Denouncing Trump for Anti-Democratic Authoritarianism to Ask: "Time for a Military Coup?"
🔊 Listen RSS
Email This Page to Someone

 Remember My Information



=>

Bookmark Toggle AllToCAdd to LibraryRemove from Library • BShow CommentNext New CommentNext New ReplyRead More
ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
AgreeDisagreeThanksLOLTroll
These buttons register your public Agreement, Disagreement, Thanks, LOL, or Troll with the selected comment. They are ONLY available to recent, frequent commenters who have saved their Name+Email using the 'Remember My Information' checkbox, and may also ONLY be used three times during any eight hour period.
Ignore Commenter Follow Commenter
Search Text Case Sensitive  Exact Words  Include Comments
List of Bookmarks

 
Hide 165 CommentsLeave a Comment
Commenters to Ignore...to FollowEndorsed Only
Trim Comments?
  1. An increasing number of Liberals, including the bleeding heart type that thinks it is essentially pacifist, is itching to purify with fire and sword. The Obama presidency did not bring the perpetual paradise they envisioned, and that was due to the whites of middle America and the conservatives. The paradise can be realized if they get rid of the trouble.

    • Agree: Old and Grumpy
    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    These people are wrong to think the military, per se, would ever support their coup. The FBI and the CIA would be all-in, however.
    , @S. Anonyia
    They are going back to their ideological roots: Cromwell and Jacobins and Trotsky.
    , @SunBakedSuburb
    Hertzberg was an old-time liberal and is now siding with the totalitarian crowd. I recently finished an excellent biography of Allen Dulles, written by a San Francisco-based writer, another old-time liberal, in which he makes the case that Dulles relied on his network of Pentagon brass to help facilitate the 1963 coup d'e'tat in Dallas. I wonder if totalitarian Hertzberg knows he's borrowing an a idea from fascist Allen Dulles. Naw. Like the rest of the American left, he's dropped into the authoritarian toilet without a second thought. Because Blumpft!
  2. Playing with fire springs to mind after seeing

    “In 1967 he enlisted in the United States Navy and became an officer posted in New York City. By late 1968 due to his growing opposition to the Vietnam War he requested conscientious-objector status, which was denied.[7] He was discharged at the end of his commitment in 1969. From 1969 to 1977 Hertzberg was a staff writer for the New Yorker;[11] Spy magazine characterized him during this period of his career as a “lothario.” [12]”

    in Wikipedia.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    So CIA, then and now.
    , @JerseyJeffersonian
    I would be tempted to speculate that Hendrik was afraid that he might get reassigned to Vietnam and have his precious, candy ass on the line, and this was the origination of his "growing opposition to the Vietnam War".

    And gosh darn it, he is hoping yet again that somebody else would be, conveniently enough, putting their ass on the line instead of him.

    I detect a character trait.
    , @Anonymous
    Further down, in his personal life section:
    "Hertzberg is married to Virginia Cannon, a former Vanity Fair editor and a current New Yorker editor. They have a son, Wolf.[7] Hertzberg lives with his wife and her boyfriend (his son's real father)."
    , @Art Deco
    He married quite late in life and has just one child. He was a protege of Martin Peretz and remained in the employ of The New Republic for six years even though he disagreed with signature features of the publications editorial line. I think it may have been RM Kaus who said that Peretz social circle had a certain vibe. In the years since, Peretz' bisexuality has been all but explicit.

    The other person who gained a reputation as a lothario is Leon Wieseltier, which is interesting because he is and long has been (1) unattractive bordering on ugly, (2) obnoxious (to the point where Charles Krauthammer rented an office across the street just to get away from him), and (3) a masher (though Charles Lane said none of the complainers came to him when he was the publication's editor).
  3. itching to purify with fire and sword

    You could say that about a lot of factions these days.

    • Replies: @dfordoom


    itching to purify with fire and sword
     
    You could say that about a lot of factions these days.
     
    Yep. It's amusing to hear people on the far right , so many of whom are addicted to fantasies of violence and revenge, accusing liberals of being addicted to fantasies of violence and revenge.

    Unhinged political extremism is the new normal. The lunatic fringes on both sides seem to be growing in both numbers and craziness.

    The similarities in psychology between SJWs and the alt-right are becoming more striking.
  4. Remember the time Trump tried to stop immigration, but then failed?

    Guess who killed the recently announced immigration moratorium?

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    And the Trump boobenheimers still delude themselves with the modern-day update of "If only the Czar knew?"!
    , @Neil Templeton
    If Mr. President ain't man enough to deal with Jared, he ain't man enough to run the country. Or a tanning salon, for that matter.
    , @Anonymous
    Not a single visa issued in a month. Virtually no international flights.

    Immediate expulsion on border.

    As a practical matter there is no means to gain entry to The United States by foreigners at the moment.
    , @nebulafox
    Don't try rationally arguing with the Trump cultists. Waste of time.

    The GOP Establishment has learned absolutely nothing from the whole Trump experience and still dreams of putting Jeb Bush into office someday, so I don't think right-wing populism is going away: younger generations of Republican politicians clearly understand this and have been subtly shifting to what we might deem "Carlson" style views. Josh Hawley is one example, Marco Rubio is, oddly enough given his 2016 stance as a last ditch GOP Establishment defender, another one of them. But with the gerontocratic nature of US politics, this doesn't matter in the short term. What matters is that Trump has kept the same failed ideology of the GOP on life support. He's simultaneously discredited populism by association with his visible incompetence and venality, while mainly pursuing the Conservatism Inc. preferences of his late-adopters-Kushner, McConnell, Mnuchin, etc-in power.

    Trump now has no friends left with the pandemic, and he deserves it.

    , @Mr. Anon
    Can somebody take a page out of Jared Kushner's Dad's playbook and direct a call-girl and a P.I. with some good video equipment at Jared already? That might be the only way to undo some of those "Daddy, bomb Syria", "Daddy, expand the H1-B visa program" policies.
  5. Anonymous[606] • Disclaimer says:

    To be honest, Trump’s recent Fantastic Voyage speculation was inappropriate at a press briefing. Life or death moments are not the time to be trolling journalists. He said himself he was a wartime president, it’s now time to act like one.

    I say this as a Trump voter.

    It does also irritate me that he has overpromised and underdelivered in earlier phases of what has been a predictable disaster, as well as pointing to how well the stock market is doing, which had predictable ass biting potential.

    For those with TDS this has been catnip to send them over the edge.

    Still, Trump has had one Biden-level senior moment, Biden has them every week or two. Trump’s luck he has demented Biden as opposition and not a seasoned young Bill Clinton type, or Obama, or even pre-presidency Carter.

    • Troll: Chris Mallory
    • Replies: @Polynikes

    For those with TDS this has been catnip to send them over the edge.
     
    The only redeeming quality of this ordeal.
    , @danand

    "To be honest, Trump’s recent Fantastic Voyage speculation was inappropriate at a press briefing."
     
    #606, at least one of the "Fantastic Voyage speculations" Trump took was in reference to this company:

    The companies (Aytu) web-page on UV-A light treatment (there's a video on the page).

    https://aytubio.com/healight/

    Associated Press story on the Cedars-Sinai (UV) A light endotracheal medical device:

    https://apnews.com/b44f4531071e6204023f7b8e16f59d4b

    https://flic.kr/p/2iUMDGy

    https://flic.kr/p/2iUHjqM

    This same company, Aytu, just bought the USA rights to market the Singaporean company, Biolidics, 10-15 muinute Covid-19 test device/kits:

    https://flic.kr/p/2iUMM59

    https://www.mobihealthnews.com/news/asia-pacific/biolidics-launch-ten-minute-rapid-test-kits-covid-19

    "Led by Mark Pimentel, MD, the research team of the Medically Associated Science and Technology (MAST) Program at Cedars-Sinai has been developing the patent-pending Healight platform since 2016 and has produced a growing body of scientific evidence demonstrating pre-clinical safety and effectiveness of the technology as an antiviral and antibacterial treatment.

    The Healight technology employs proprietary methods of administering intermittent ultraviolet (UV) A light via a novel endotracheal medical device. Pre-clinical findings indicate the technology's significant impact on eradicating a wide range of viruses and bacteria, inclusive of coronavirus. The data have been the basis of discussions with the FDA for a near-term path to enable human use for the potential treatment of coronavirus in intubated patients in the intensive care unit (ICU). Beyond the initial pursuit of a coronavirus ICU indication, additional data suggest broader clinical applications for the technology across a range of viral and bacterial pathogens. This includes bacteria implicated in ventilator associated pneumonia (VAP).

    "Our team has shown that administering a specific spectrum of UV-A light can eradicate viruses in infected human cells (including coronavirus) and bacteria in the area while preserving healthy cells," stated Dr. Pimentel of Cedars-Sinai. Ali Rezaie, MD, one of the inventors of this technology states, "Our lab at Cedars-Sinai has extensively studied the effects of this unique technology on bacteria and viruses. Based on our findings we believe this therapeutic approach has the potential to significantly impact the high morbidity and mortality of coronavirus-infected patients and patients infected with other respiratory pathogens. We are looking forward to partnering with Aytu BioScience to move this technology forward for the benefit of patients all over the world.""
     
    Could all be total poppycock fantasy to draw in investors, along the lines of Theranos®, or the real deal; time, or perhaps Trump, will tell.
    , @Anonymous
    How is this a troll?

    I certainly did vote for Trump, in fact very early in the primary season I was for him. I think he has been most effective with taking China to task (unlike Biden for example). On the Wall he has been weak sauce, I am on the same page as Coulter on this one. Call me naive but I had some expectation Trump would fulfil some of that instead of being given his marching orders by Javanka.

    He has also installed some reasonable SCJs. And been more anti-abortion than maybe any president in my memory.

    I would hope that the president I voted for would apply his business brain to making some snappy business-like decisions that would reflect well on his presidency and my voting record by extension. Avoiding big calamities by acting early is not unheard of in business.

    Yeah, I voted for 43 in his first presidential election also. I feel a bit like Charlie Brown with the football. I won't vote for Biden. Like as not I will pull the lever for Trump again.

    Maybe there is advantage in letting the US get angry in a not quite Pearl Harboresque way. It is not obvious Trump has a cogent Chinese Virus plan. Maybe that is Trump's plan that will emerge, Kurtz-like after we motor through the swamp in our PT boat, finally confronting him in a dimly-lit cave. Or maybe we come to the conclusion that we don't see any method at all.

    https://youtu.be/03JXTuFGYWE
    , @Peter Akuleyev
    Still, Trump has had one Biden-level senior moment

    Trump has a senior moment every press conference. At this point there is no real difference between the two, they are both senile. Watch videos of Trump talking in the 1990s. He has lost far more than a step. This will be the silliest election in history, but I guess grist for the mill of everyone who believes that Presidents have just become figureheads to distract Americans from where the real decisions are made.
  6. @Cortes
    Playing with fire springs to mind after seeing

    “In 1967 he enlisted in the United States Navy and became an officer posted in New York City. By late 1968 due to his growing opposition to the Vietnam War he requested conscientious-objector status, which was denied.[7] He was discharged at the end of his commitment in 1969. From 1969 to 1977 Hertzberg was a staff writer for the New Yorker;[11] Spy magazine characterized him during this period of his career as a "lothario." [12]”

    in Wikipedia.

    So CIA, then and now.

    • Replies: @Cortes
    A charmed life, for sure.
    , @Father O'Hara
    A typical dirtbag,too,although his goofy name makes one think of a Viennese intellectual.
  7. When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.
    – James Speaks

    (Some dude said that about fifty years ago. So what? I said it just now!)

  8. Thank God the Founders thought to include the 34th amendment: if a president is bad on television he shall be removed from office and replaced by a military junta.

    • Replies: @Hail
    Or, some flu virus strain can be identified, tested, fear of the virus promoted, and around which a coup d'etat can occur unimpeded and without bloodshed.

    The Corona Coup d'Etat, now in the books.
  9. I think a military coup is probably excessive, but we’ve all known people who are a little too partial to a drink. Eventually, a friendly “intervention” is needed to help them stop damaging themselves. That’s the sort of thing that Trump could do with right now. In fact it looks like it’s already happened. The disinfectant-injecting non-sarcasm episode seems to have prompted trusted advisers to have a firm word with him.

    Also, his assertion last week that he has “total authority” over the states and intended to use it – was that not worthy of any discussion around here? If his predecessor had made the same claim, it would probably have merited a comment or two.

    • Replies: @Coemgen
    Are you familiar with the old joke whose punchline is:

    "He had a sweater!"

    I thought not.

    Also, are you familiar with the concept of self-awareness/introspection?

    I thought not.

    What do you think about open borders globalism?

    What's worse: open borders globalism or Trump's less than 100% absolute perfection?
    , @Harry Baldwin
    If his predecessor had made the same claim, it would probably have merited a comment or two.

    Though generally more circumspect in speech, Trump's predecessor used the IRS, CIA, DOJ and FBI to spy on and harass his successor and his supporters. This has merited a comment or two in some places, but not in our mainstream media, where it is treated lightly or ignored entirely.
    , @Hypnotoad666
    Well, if anybody gets to be a dictator because of the common cold, it's going to be the leader of the federal government. We aren't going to have 50 dictators. See the Supremecy Clause of the Constitution for that proposition. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacy_Clause

    Ideally, of course, we would have no dictator whatsoever.
    , @Alden
    Trump, as President and head of the federal government does have total authority over the country and the states.

    And there are hundreds of precedents going back to the 1790s when the president and the federal government asserted authority over the states.
  10. By the way, here’s an interesting video from 1993 that corroborates Tara Reade’s recent accusation that she was sexually assaulted by Joe Biden.

    If I was Bernie Sanders, I’d definitely show up to the Democratic National Convention. Anything is possible….

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Troll: ScarletNumber
    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
    There was something in my feed this morning, asserting that the Aug 11, 1993 episode isn't on the archive page for the series.

    I didn't check: partly because I give about 0.5 yokto-fucks about US politics, and partly because it didn't strike me as something you read and just immediately think "That's pretty unlikely: better check that".
    , @Kolya Krassotkin
    As Biden might phrase it to describe his ever really being the Democrat candidate, "It's like when you milk frogs to make cheese."

    Many have known Democrats were going to find a way to lock Uncle Sniffy back up in the attack, we just never knew what excuse they were going to use to do it.

  11. @JimDandy
    So CIA, then and now.

    A charmed life, for sure.

  12. Those Irish are always trying to stir up caca.

  13. @JohnnyWalker123
    Remember the time Trump tried to stop immigration, but then failed?

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1252418369170501639

    Guess who killed the recently announced immigration moratorium?

    https://twitter.com/amber_athey/status/1252698819621539847

    https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/1254452006544121856

    And the Trump boobenheimers still delude themselves with the modern-day update of “If only the Czar knew?”!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I can't speak for boobheimers, but none of the Trump-aligned whom I know personally were taken in by the immigration show-tweet of last week. He has lost most-to-all credibility on this issue, it's like Lindsey Graham making threats against unnamed FBI corruptocrats-- "one of these days Alice"
  14. Because vaccines can go very wrong the safety testing will have to be exhaustive, and mass inoculation will not start this year. Another lockdown is inevitable if there is a second wave, and stringent taxing of the wealthy to pay for the disruption is becoming inevitable. Herbert Hoover had cut taxes to a historical low. Look at the extremely high US taxes that Roosevelt brought in to deal with a crisis that had been going for 3 years before he became president; the top tax rates under the New Deal effectively became 90% and remained substantially unaltered for fifty years.

    The supply chains and productive capacity that have been outsourced will return because, to take a paradigmatic case, a modern so called advanced economy finding itself in a situation where the 3M head office in Minnesota is making huge profits that are lightly taxed through having its factory in Singapore make medical quality masks that the US government cannot access in timely fashion during a crisis is something that happened once already. It will never be allowed to happen again. But that too mean undreamt of extra funding to add to the massive hospital infrastructure program that will also be required. Three new coronaviruses (two out of China) in 18 years makes preparations for the next one imperative. The Powers of the President will also need to be greatly expanded.

    The Donald is going to cease being Herbert Hoover, and channel Roosevelt to turn on his own class, who never trusted or wanted him a president in the first place. They know Trump is about to make a massive raid on their wealth greater than even Warren was planning, which is why the billionaires and their media hirelings are in a panic to prevent him getting the same returned-for-a-second-term authority that saw opposition to Roosevelt collapse even in the Supreme Court. Hertzberg has the ability to articulate the consensus of the liberal elite, him calling for a coup is somewhat encouraging, because it is clearly a rhetorical ploy and suggests he does not realise how much support Trump has.

    • Replies: @Lot
    “ and stringent taxing of the wealthy to pay for the disruption is becoming inevitable”

    https://thefagcasanova.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/rofl.jpg
    , @Redneck farmer
    History lesson: Hoover increased tax rates. The top rate was 70% when he left office.
    , @dimples
    " a modern so called advanced economy finding itself in a situation where the 3M head office in Minnesota is making huge profits that are lightly taxed through having its factory in Singapore make medical quality masks that the US government cannot access in timely fashion during a crisis is something that happened once already. It will never be allowed to happen again."

    Correction! It won't be allowed to happen again for a while, then the situation will go back to normal in time for the next crisis.
    , @AnotherDad
    Sean, fortunately Trump won't be so clueless as to repeat Roosevelt's mistake with taxes, and we should not be in for any Great Depression.

    This is pretty basic. We're in a sharp recession. There is tremendous slack in the economy. This is not the time to raise taxes, but rather to do massive stimulus.

    -- Tax cuts--ideally on families to promote family formation.
    -- Massive stimulus--one hopes on useful infrastructure, that also provides real jobs to young men--though the Democrats will always work to make it useless payouts to their constituencies.
    -- Money printing; monetization of federal debt.

    The main thing you must do is ward off a spiraling deflationary contraction.

    Of course, having any sort of effective recovery that gets the American economy back up and running and Americans back to work at decent wages, critically depends on stopping the "global cosmopolitans" from importing yet more labor (and costs) into America.
  15. @JohnnyWalker123
    Remember the time Trump tried to stop immigration, but then failed?

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1252418369170501639

    Guess who killed the recently announced immigration moratorium?

    https://twitter.com/amber_athey/status/1252698819621539847

    https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/1254452006544121856

    If Mr. President ain’t man enough to deal with Jared, he ain’t man enough to run the country. Or a tanning salon, for that matter.

    • Replies: @Old and Grumpy
    Does Trump even have a clue how weak Ivanka and Jared make him look? He can't do anything without his vampire twin handlers. Now if only the MAGA people could get a clue that if its tweeted ...it ain't happening. Sadly too many of them just want end times and rapture.
    , @Sideshow Bob
    They are his Rasputin.
  16. So we can assume the officer class is compromised, and can’t be trusted?

  17. @JimDandy
    So CIA, then and now.

    A typical dirtbag,too,although his goofy name makes one think of a Viennese intellectual.

  18. @Anonymous
    To be honest, Trump's recent Fantastic Voyage speculation was inappropriate at a press briefing. Life or death moments are not the time to be trolling journalists. He said himself he was a wartime president, it's now time to act like one.

    I say this as a Trump voter.

    It does also irritate me that he has overpromised and underdelivered in earlier phases of what has been a predictable disaster, as well as pointing to how well the stock market is doing, which had predictable ass biting potential.

    For those with TDS this has been catnip to send them over the edge.

    Still, Trump has had one Biden-level senior moment, Biden has them every week or two. Trump's luck he has demented Biden as opposition and not a seasoned young Bill Clinton type, or Obama, or even pre-presidency Carter.

    For those with TDS this has been catnip to send them over the edge.

    The only redeeming quality of this ordeal.

  19. Well, what is a Democrat to do?

    They completed a total takeover of the mainstream Media, and are engaging a full frontal assault on the Internet Media, and they can’t win elections.
    They poured millions of 80 IQ Third-Worlders into the country to vote Democrat, and they can’t win elections.
    They have every deceased Black going back to the end of the Civil War voting Democrat, and they still can’t win elections.

    So OBVIOUSLY it is time for a coup.

    Given the disintegration of the tax base in the formerly United States, all of us do need to be concerned about what the Military is going to do when soldiers are paid with worthless dollars and Defense Contracts are no longer honored. Ordinary soldiers may have some vestige of duty/honor/patriotism, but the Officer Class of the US Military has loyalty to Thievery, and that is about it. When, not if, the Coup comes it will be for one reason alone: to insure that a Trillion dollars of the Taxpayers wealth continues to pour into the MIC’s pockets.

    • Replies: @Keypusher
    They won quite a few in 2018 — did you miss that? And they’re looking like they’ll win a ton in 2020. Including the big one. So you may want to stop whistling past the graveyard.
    , @Anon
    In the 2020 budget U.S. military personnel (2+ million active and reserve) got the largest pay raise in decades.

    2020 BUDGET FACT SHEET: Protecting the American People, the Homeland, and the American Way of Life

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/FY20-Fact-Sheet_National-Security_FINAL.pdf
     

    And now we the rising star of the GOP suggesting:

    Republican Senator Tom Cotton lit up social media on Sunday by suggesting Chinese students shouldn’t be allowed to study science and technology at U.S. universities, and should focus on Shakespeare instead.

    The Arkansas lawmaker deemed it a “scandal” that China’s “brightest minds” study in the U.S. only to return home “to compete for our jobs, to take our business, and ultimately to steal our property.”

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-26/gop-senator-says-don-t-let-chinese-students-study-stem-in-u-s
     

    We have a kleptocratic and sclerotic government bureaucracy with a distractible idiotic populace. And we are importing peoples from lands without electricity, indoor plumbing, and adult literacy rates over 50%. The curtain is coming down for the American Empire.
  20. @Dan Hayes
    And the Trump boobenheimers still delude themselves with the modern-day update of "If only the Czar knew?"!

    I can’t speak for boobheimers, but none of the Trump-aligned whom I know personally were taken in by the immigration show-tweet of last week. He has lost most-to-all credibility on this issue, it’s like Lindsey Graham making threats against unnamed FBI corruptocrats– “one of these days Alice”

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @ben tillman

    I can’t speak for boobheimers, but none of the Trump-aligned whom I know personally were taken in by the immigration show-tweet of last week. He has lost most-to-all credibility on this issue . . . .
     
    And that's your fault, not his. "Legal" immigration hit a 30-year low last year. Pay attention.
  21. What does this muppet think Trump’s approval rating among active US servicemen looks like?

    You and what army indeed.

    • Agree: Dano
    • Replies: @fitzhamilton
    The issue is that the general officers and intelligence community are of the technocratic class, and that I bet critical parts of the Air Force (the people flying the drones) skew in favor of the deep state. Informational technology (mass surveillance) would help them identify their enemies, then "infowar" and sharp strategic "shock and awe" targeted attacks would neutralize any opposition. I bet that that is what Mr. Hertzberg is counting would carry the day for his side..

    Any civil war here, now won't look like 1861. There are two salient models that we can refer to - 1936 in Spain, and 1917 in Russia. In both cases the insurgents won the day, taking down the establishment. In this context, Trump is a quasi- Franco esque character, the figurehead of resistance to the elite.. But a deeply flawed one, in that he really doesn't have the skill or ideological coherence of a Franco or Lenin, and certainly doesn't have as coherent a base of support either ..

    I think the recent example of what happened in Turkey a few years ago is another interesting reference point. Erdogan is a populist who is bent on subverting the Ataturkian secularist elite, and taking over the deep state for his own purposes. He's much more clever and machiavellian than Trump, and I think has been far more effective in moving through the Turkish institutions and countering the "deep state" (a phrase coined in Turkey, by the way) than Trump has been here. Part of this is due to the fact that our own populist movement is not as coherent as the Turkish one, and still lacks effective leadership.

    I think it's pretty clear that the CIA was behind the Turkish coup plotters, and it's interesting how badly they failed. All of this is merely to suggest that while the cultural and power differentials are very different here, and the "deep state" and elite seems to hold far more cards in our situation, that they probably ought to be very cautious before pulling the trigger on any open acts of violence.

    What I mean is that the likes of Hendrik Hertzberg probably ought to be very careful for what they wish for. There's no telling what demons might fly from the bottle of wrath if they dared try uncork it.. Things might turn out very differently than he smugly assumes.

  22. This is another example of the boomer senility effect.

    Actually Hertzberg is silent generation, but the mechanism is the same. The man is 77. I remember reading his columns in the 1980s (in the New Republic, at the time the New Republic was not only publishing print editions but was still worth reading) and they were pretty sensible. In normal times he would not be commentating except in a blog post or youtube video here or there. The New Yorker would have hired a younger columnist.

    But about fifteen years ago, people stopped retiring, and so this is what you get. Expect more of it throughout the 2020s, and then suddenly it will stop.

    • Replies: @black sea

    But about fifteen years ago, people stopped retiring, and so this is what you get.
     
    With people like Sarah Jeong coming down the pipeline, there ain't that much to push the oldsters aside.
    , @ATBOTL
    Everyone born in the 1940's is a boomer.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    But about fifteen years ago, people stopped retiring
     
    Stopped retiring, or stopped being able to retire?
    , @Art Deco
    He was born in 1943.

    He was actually mustered out of the Navy in 1969 when it was discovered during dental work that his blood doesn't clot well. He was due to be court-martialed for refusing orders to report to a desk job in Da Nang, and the blood clotting problem saved the Navy the trouble. Note, one of his product lines as an opinion journalist is attacking other people's service records, because asshole.
  23. @Cortes
    Playing with fire springs to mind after seeing

    “In 1967 he enlisted in the United States Navy and became an officer posted in New York City. By late 1968 due to his growing opposition to the Vietnam War he requested conscientious-objector status, which was denied.[7] He was discharged at the end of his commitment in 1969. From 1969 to 1977 Hertzberg was a staff writer for the New Yorker;[11] Spy magazine characterized him during this period of his career as a "lothario." [12]”

    in Wikipedia.

    I would be tempted to speculate that Hendrik was afraid that he might get reassigned to Vietnam and have his precious, candy ass on the line, and this was the origination of his “growing opposition to the Vietnam War”.

    And gosh darn it, he is hoping yet again that somebody else would be, conveniently enough, putting their ass on the line instead of him.

    I detect a character trait.

    • Agree: Cortes, Dano
  24. CNN Exit polls 2016 (Veterans):
    Trump – 60%
    Clinton – 34%
    Other/ No Answer – 6%

    https://www.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-polls

  25. @JohnnyWalker123
    Remember the time Trump tried to stop immigration, but then failed?

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1252418369170501639

    Guess who killed the recently announced immigration moratorium?

    https://twitter.com/amber_athey/status/1252698819621539847

    https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/1254452006544121856

    Not a single visa issued in a month. Virtually no international flights.

    Immediate expulsion on border.

    As a practical matter there is no means to gain entry to The United States by foreigners at the moment.

    • Agree: Clyde, Manfred Arcane
    • Replies: @anon
    Immigration/foreign travel will likely remain close to zero in 2020. Trump might not have planned for it to happen the way it did, nor is it a good way to achieve those results, but that those results will be achieved seems not to be in doubt.
  26. A military coup from the left? NO.

    Yes, there has been “woke growth” in officer ranks over the last dozen years. I’ve met some of this commissioned trash – I served as enlisted Army infantry 88-92 and kept in contact. But most middle ranks are conservative (small NOT big “c”) and ANY coup talk would be considered insane. Not to mention tip-of-the-spear special ops forces, half of whom would actively resist.

    Same with any civil war talk. Steve nailed it with his observation that the US Military likes being number 1 and won’t like dividing. A coup would be similarly divisive.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    "A military coup from the left? NO."

    Right. I don't see it. After the resolution of the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962, the Pentagon warlords, action-oriented WW2 veterans like Curtis Le May, viewed JFK as a commie-appeaser. When a false-flag plan like Northwoods proved unworkable, they relied on the devil's henchman, Allen Dulles, who had his own plot in motion, to kill the king.

    Today, the left is what the right was in the early 1960s. They control the civilian aspect of the national security state. They have made inroads into the Pentagon -- the Office of Net Assessment comes immediately to mind -- but it appears their influence at Defense is limited. Those in government running and participating in the ongoing coup against Trump are from State, DOJ, FBI, and CIA. And don't forget longtime CIA toady Adam Schiff.
    , @anon

    Same with any civil war talk. Steve nailed it with his observation that the US Military likes being number 1 and won’t like dividing. A coup would be similarly divisive.
     
    The US military does what it is told. It's an imperial force filled with people who are only there for the money. It's also filled with various foreigners from all over the place. There is a YouTube channel by a guy called The Chieftain, IIRC. He's Irish, yet he served. Same with lots of other groups, including those who want a fast track to citizenship. If it is told to crush republicans, it will. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just kidding themselves. You've watched too many Hollywood movies. Why would "The Chieftain" give a damn about your second amendment rights or free speech? It's nothing to him. He may even think it's hatespeech, which is a crime in most of Europe where he's from. It's a gig job. Nothing more. Patriotism doesn't play a role for a significant number of people. And don't kid yourself about people rising up from within the ranks to resist, either. That's way harder than you think. It only takes a few officers empowered to use lethal force against dissenters to get the entire unit going along with the plan. Most officers are pozzed left-wingers willing and eager to please their master; they are politicians. Maybe Sailer is right and there won't be an outright civil war. Maybe instead you get the PLA crushing you. How can you people not see this obvious truth? Is the brainwashing that extensive?
  27. Time for a military coup?

    Good idea…China could really use one right now.

    A military coup isn’t where progressives in the US will start. For the moment, they’ll stay within the realm of their expertise: election fraud. If they have the low ethical standards to disregard immigration law for their own benefit, then why not election law, too?

    First they need to fabricate a narrative of how Trump is going to call off the elections…then they go into action.

  28. @Anonymous
    To be honest, Trump's recent Fantastic Voyage speculation was inappropriate at a press briefing. Life or death moments are not the time to be trolling journalists. He said himself he was a wartime president, it's now time to act like one.

    I say this as a Trump voter.

    It does also irritate me that he has overpromised and underdelivered in earlier phases of what has been a predictable disaster, as well as pointing to how well the stock market is doing, which had predictable ass biting potential.

    For those with TDS this has been catnip to send them over the edge.

    Still, Trump has had one Biden-level senior moment, Biden has them every week or two. Trump's luck he has demented Biden as opposition and not a seasoned young Bill Clinton type, or Obama, or even pre-presidency Carter.

    “To be honest, Trump’s recent Fantastic Voyage speculation was inappropriate at a press briefing.”

    #606, at least one of the “Fantastic Voyage speculations” Trump took was in reference to this company:

    The companies (Aytu) web-page on UV-A light treatment (there’s a video on the page).

    https://aytubio.com/healight/

    Associated Press story on the Cedars-Sinai (UV) A light endotracheal medical device:

    https://apnews.com/b44f4531071e6204023f7b8e16f59d4b

    Healight-a-breakthrough-UV-treatment-for-coronavirus-is-being-censored-by-YouTube

    AYTU

    This same company, Aytu, just bought the USA rights to market the Singaporean company, Biolidics, 10-15 muinute Covid-19 test device/kits:

    slides-bg-1.081a5957

    https://www.mobihealthnews.com/news/asia-pacific/biolidics-launch-ten-minute-rapid-test-kits-covid-19

    “Led by Mark Pimentel, MD, the research team of the Medically Associated Science and Technology (MAST) Program at Cedars-Sinai has been developing the patent-pending Healight platform since 2016 and has produced a growing body of scientific evidence demonstrating pre-clinical safety and effectiveness of the technology as an antiviral and antibacterial treatment.

    The Healight technology employs proprietary methods of administering intermittent ultraviolet (UV) A light via a novel endotracheal medical device. Pre-clinical findings indicate the technology’s significant impact on eradicating a wide range of viruses and bacteria, inclusive of coronavirus. The data have been the basis of discussions with the FDA for a near-term path to enable human use for the potential treatment of coronavirus in intubated patients in the intensive care unit (ICU). Beyond the initial pursuit of a coronavirus ICU indication, additional data suggest broader clinical applications for the technology across a range of viral and bacterial pathogens. This includes bacteria implicated in ventilator associated pneumonia (VAP).

    “Our team has shown that administering a specific spectrum of UV-A light can eradicate viruses in infected human cells (including coronavirus) and bacteria in the area while preserving healthy cells,” stated Dr. Pimentel of Cedars-Sinai. Ali Rezaie, MD, one of the inventors of this technology states, “Our lab at Cedars-Sinai has extensively studied the effects of this unique technology on bacteria and viruses. Based on our findings we believe this therapeutic approach has the potential to significantly impact the high morbidity and mortality of coronavirus-infected patients and patients infected with other respiratory pathogens. We are looking forward to partnering with Aytu BioScience to move this technology forward for the benefit of patients all over the world.””

    Could all be total poppycock fantasy to draw in investors, along the lines of Theranos®, or the real deal; time, or perhaps Trump, will tell.

    • Replies: @Anon
    It all depends on whether human lung tissue does okay with UV exposure. It's something that can be tested on animals. If they do okay, we should be able to start human trials. As for its potential harmfulness, well, no one's ever killed themselves by opening their mouth wide, tipping their head back, and aiming their mouth at the sun for ten minutes at noon.

    The fundamental problem is that the tiny air sacks inside the lungs tend be the sort of structures hard to shine a light into. They're somewhat tucked away. If you have virus equally tucked away inside those air sacs, they can hide from the light somewhat. Repeated exposures may be needed. I can see the light cutting down on some of the load of bacteria and viruses, but not getting at all of them. The light might reduce viral load to the point where the patient can survive, though.
    , @miss marple
    Chlorhexidine is a chemical that is used for oral rinses and cleaning surgical wounds. Did Trump unintentionally refer to Clorox instead of the similarly sounding substance that is already being used medically?

    Excellent, danand. I'd say Republicans should get the news out that Trump wasn't being sarcastic or exhibiting bad judgment but was sincerely offering hope to the masses about cures for Covid-19.
  29. @Rob (London)
    I think a military coup is probably excessive, but we've all known people who are a little too partial to a drink. Eventually, a friendly "intervention" is needed to help them stop damaging themselves. That's the sort of thing that Trump could do with right now. In fact it looks like it's already happened. The disinfectant-injecting non-sarcasm episode seems to have prompted trusted advisers to have a firm word with him.

    Also, his assertion last week that he has "total authority" over the states and intended to use it - was that not worthy of any discussion around here? If his predecessor had made the same claim, it would probably have merited a comment or two.

    Are you familiar with the old joke whose punchline is:

    “He had a sweater!”

    I thought not.

    Also, are you familiar with the concept of self-awareness/introspection?

    I thought not.

    What do you think about open borders globalism?

    What’s worse: open borders globalism or Trump’s less than 100% absolute perfection?

    • Agree: ben tillman
    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    I heard it as "He had a hat!"
    , @Mr. Anon

    What’s worse: open borders globalism or Trump’s less than 100% absolute perfection?
     
    What if Trump's less than 100% absolute perfection is part of open borders globalism.

    A false friend can be worse than an open enemy.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    I don't know that joke, but speaking of having sweaters, check out this old TV gameshow from Japan, now cancelled for non-PC I think....

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ED4w_DHVRWk
  30. “Time for a military coup?”

    Army vs Navy? National Guard vs Air force? C_A vs the rest? lol

  31. Anon[691] • Disclaimer says:
    @danand

    "To be honest, Trump’s recent Fantastic Voyage speculation was inappropriate at a press briefing."
     
    #606, at least one of the "Fantastic Voyage speculations" Trump took was in reference to this company:

    The companies (Aytu) web-page on UV-A light treatment (there's a video on the page).

    https://aytubio.com/healight/

    Associated Press story on the Cedars-Sinai (UV) A light endotracheal medical device:

    https://apnews.com/b44f4531071e6204023f7b8e16f59d4b

    https://flic.kr/p/2iUMDGy

    https://flic.kr/p/2iUHjqM

    This same company, Aytu, just bought the USA rights to market the Singaporean company, Biolidics, 10-15 muinute Covid-19 test device/kits:

    https://flic.kr/p/2iUMM59

    https://www.mobihealthnews.com/news/asia-pacific/biolidics-launch-ten-minute-rapid-test-kits-covid-19

    "Led by Mark Pimentel, MD, the research team of the Medically Associated Science and Technology (MAST) Program at Cedars-Sinai has been developing the patent-pending Healight platform since 2016 and has produced a growing body of scientific evidence demonstrating pre-clinical safety and effectiveness of the technology as an antiviral and antibacterial treatment.

    The Healight technology employs proprietary methods of administering intermittent ultraviolet (UV) A light via a novel endotracheal medical device. Pre-clinical findings indicate the technology's significant impact on eradicating a wide range of viruses and bacteria, inclusive of coronavirus. The data have been the basis of discussions with the FDA for a near-term path to enable human use for the potential treatment of coronavirus in intubated patients in the intensive care unit (ICU). Beyond the initial pursuit of a coronavirus ICU indication, additional data suggest broader clinical applications for the technology across a range of viral and bacterial pathogens. This includes bacteria implicated in ventilator associated pneumonia (VAP).

    "Our team has shown that administering a specific spectrum of UV-A light can eradicate viruses in infected human cells (including coronavirus) and bacteria in the area while preserving healthy cells," stated Dr. Pimentel of Cedars-Sinai. Ali Rezaie, MD, one of the inventors of this technology states, "Our lab at Cedars-Sinai has extensively studied the effects of this unique technology on bacteria and viruses. Based on our findings we believe this therapeutic approach has the potential to significantly impact the high morbidity and mortality of coronavirus-infected patients and patients infected with other respiratory pathogens. We are looking forward to partnering with Aytu BioScience to move this technology forward for the benefit of patients all over the world.""
     
    Could all be total poppycock fantasy to draw in investors, along the lines of Theranos®, or the real deal; time, or perhaps Trump, will tell.

    It all depends on whether human lung tissue does okay with UV exposure. It’s something that can be tested on animals. If they do okay, we should be able to start human trials. As for its potential harmfulness, well, no one’s ever killed themselves by opening their mouth wide, tipping their head back, and aiming their mouth at the sun for ten minutes at noon.

    The fundamental problem is that the tiny air sacks inside the lungs tend be the sort of structures hard to shine a light into. They’re somewhat tucked away. If you have virus equally tucked away inside those air sacs, they can hide from the light somewhat. Repeated exposures may be needed. I can see the light cutting down on some of the load of bacteria and viruses, but not getting at all of them. The light might reduce viral load to the point where the patient can survive, though.

  32. Funny how all the shitlibs who hated the military during the Vietnam War started itching to use it after they gained control of it, eh?

    Remember how Clinton “loathed the military” — until he decided to bomb Serbia, and then bomb Iraq on the eve of his impeachment?

    More of the same…

  33. @Sean
    Because vaccines can go very wrong the safety testing will have to be exhaustive, and mass inoculation will not start this year. Another lockdown is inevitable if there is a second wave, and stringent taxing of the wealthy to pay for the disruption is becoming inevitable. Herbert Hoover had cut taxes to a historical low. Look at the extremely high US taxes that Roosevelt brought in to deal with a crisis that had been going for 3 years before he became president; the top tax rates under the New Deal effectively became 90% and remained substantially unaltered for fifty years.

    The supply chains and productive capacity that have been outsourced will return because, to take a paradigmatic case, a modern so called advanced economy finding itself in a situation where the 3M head office in Minnesota is making huge profits that are lightly taxed through having its factory in Singapore make medical quality masks that the US government cannot access in timely fashion during a crisis is something that happened once already. It will never be allowed to happen again. But that too mean undreamt of extra funding to add to the massive hospital infrastructure program that will also be required. Three new coronaviruses (two out of China) in 18 years makes preparations for the next one imperative. The Powers of the President will also need to be greatly expanded.

    The Donald is going to cease being Herbert Hoover, and channel Roosevelt to turn on his own class, who never trusted or wanted him a president in the first place. They know Trump is about to make a massive raid on their wealth greater than even Warren was planning, which is why the billionaires and their media hirelings are in a panic to prevent him getting the same returned-for-a-second-term authority that saw opposition to Roosevelt collapse even in the Supreme Court. Hertzberg has the ability to articulate the consensus of the liberal elite, him calling for a coup is somewhat encouraging, because it is clearly a rhetorical ploy and suggests he does not realise how much support Trump has.

    “ and stringent taxing of the wealthy to pay for the disruption is becoming inevitable”

  34. You have to wonder how leftists who have managed to preserve their basic integrity and critical thinking skills cope with the official Democratic embrace of the military-industrial complex and monopolist plutocrats as #ResistanceHeroes.

    • Agree: Inverness
  35. @Coemgen
    Are you familiar with the old joke whose punchline is:

    "He had a sweater!"

    I thought not.

    Also, are you familiar with the concept of self-awareness/introspection?

    I thought not.

    What do you think about open borders globalism?

    What's worse: open borders globalism or Trump's less than 100% absolute perfection?

    I heard it as “He had a hat!”

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
    Me too. And I heard it from somebody who had heard it the night before from the Israeli ambassador to Spain.

    It is a gloriously funny joke, one of the few I tell which always gets a delighted belly laugh.

  36. @JohnnyWalker123
    Remember the time Trump tried to stop immigration, but then failed?

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1252418369170501639

    Guess who killed the recently announced immigration moratorium?

    https://twitter.com/amber_athey/status/1252698819621539847

    https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/1254452006544121856

    Don’t try rationally arguing with the Trump cultists. Waste of time.

    The GOP Establishment has learned absolutely nothing from the whole Trump experience and still dreams of putting Jeb Bush into office someday, so I don’t think right-wing populism is going away: younger generations of Republican politicians clearly understand this and have been subtly shifting to what we might deem “Carlson” style views. Josh Hawley is one example, Marco Rubio is, oddly enough given his 2016 stance as a last ditch GOP Establishment defender, another one of them. But with the gerontocratic nature of US politics, this doesn’t matter in the short term. What matters is that Trump has kept the same failed ideology of the GOP on life support. He’s simultaneously discredited populism by association with his visible incompetence and venality, while mainly pursuing the Conservatism Inc. preferences of his late-adopters-Kushner, McConnell, Mnuchin, etc-in power.

    Trump now has no friends left with the pandemic, and he deserves it.

    • Agree: ATBOTL
    • Disagree: Dano
  37. @danand

    "To be honest, Trump’s recent Fantastic Voyage speculation was inappropriate at a press briefing."
     
    #606, at least one of the "Fantastic Voyage speculations" Trump took was in reference to this company:

    The companies (Aytu) web-page on UV-A light treatment (there's a video on the page).

    https://aytubio.com/healight/

    Associated Press story on the Cedars-Sinai (UV) A light endotracheal medical device:

    https://apnews.com/b44f4531071e6204023f7b8e16f59d4b

    https://flic.kr/p/2iUMDGy

    https://flic.kr/p/2iUHjqM

    This same company, Aytu, just bought the USA rights to market the Singaporean company, Biolidics, 10-15 muinute Covid-19 test device/kits:

    https://flic.kr/p/2iUMM59

    https://www.mobihealthnews.com/news/asia-pacific/biolidics-launch-ten-minute-rapid-test-kits-covid-19

    "Led by Mark Pimentel, MD, the research team of the Medically Associated Science and Technology (MAST) Program at Cedars-Sinai has been developing the patent-pending Healight platform since 2016 and has produced a growing body of scientific evidence demonstrating pre-clinical safety and effectiveness of the technology as an antiviral and antibacterial treatment.

    The Healight technology employs proprietary methods of administering intermittent ultraviolet (UV) A light via a novel endotracheal medical device. Pre-clinical findings indicate the technology's significant impact on eradicating a wide range of viruses and bacteria, inclusive of coronavirus. The data have been the basis of discussions with the FDA for a near-term path to enable human use for the potential treatment of coronavirus in intubated patients in the intensive care unit (ICU). Beyond the initial pursuit of a coronavirus ICU indication, additional data suggest broader clinical applications for the technology across a range of viral and bacterial pathogens. This includes bacteria implicated in ventilator associated pneumonia (VAP).

    "Our team has shown that administering a specific spectrum of UV-A light can eradicate viruses in infected human cells (including coronavirus) and bacteria in the area while preserving healthy cells," stated Dr. Pimentel of Cedars-Sinai. Ali Rezaie, MD, one of the inventors of this technology states, "Our lab at Cedars-Sinai has extensively studied the effects of this unique technology on bacteria and viruses. Based on our findings we believe this therapeutic approach has the potential to significantly impact the high morbidity and mortality of coronavirus-infected patients and patients infected with other respiratory pathogens. We are looking forward to partnering with Aytu BioScience to move this technology forward for the benefit of patients all over the world.""
     
    Could all be total poppycock fantasy to draw in investors, along the lines of Theranos®, or the real deal; time, or perhaps Trump, will tell.

    Chlorhexidine is a chemical that is used for oral rinses and cleaning surgical wounds. Did Trump unintentionally refer to Clorox instead of the similarly sounding substance that is already being used medically?

    Excellent, danand. I’d say Republicans should get the news out that Trump wasn’t being sarcastic or exhibiting bad judgment but was sincerely offering hope to the masses about cures for Covid-19.

  38. @JohnnyWalker123
    By the way, here's an interesting video from 1993 that corroborates Tara Reade's recent accusation that she was sexually assaulted by Joe Biden.

    https://twitter.com/CurtisHouck/status/1253808940573429761

    If I was Bernie Sanders, I'd definitely show up to the Democratic National Convention. Anything is possible....

    There was something in my feed this morning, asserting that the Aug 11, 1993 episode isn’t on the archive page for the series.

    I didn’t check: partly because I give about 0.5 yokto-fucks about US politics, and partly because it didn’t strike me as something you read and just immediately think “That’s pretty unlikely: better check that“.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    https://play.google.com/store/tv/show?id=7A759298BC2363D8SH&cdid=tvseason-40218FBD1AFA6A82SE&hl=en

    August 11, 1993 has been memory holed and the episodes re-numbered. Pretty ballsy memory holing.
  39. Could she love, could she woo?
    Could she, could she, could she coup?

    • Replies: @Cortes
    The stamp pad is interesting.
    , @nebulafox
    Getting a real kick out of the "North Korea GIRRRRRRL power" crowd on Twitter. Leaving aside that the North Korean regime domestically subscribes to the actual hardcore, racist ethno-nationalism that they ascribe in feverish nightmares to Trump, this lady is an integral part of a regime that engages in the most hideous, disgusting human rights abuses on the whole freaking planet, and I say that as someone who is a) an openly a-hole foreign policy realist who is mostly indifferent to human rights and b) has generally supported Trump's attempts to directly talk to Kim in the context of his attempts at economic reforms. Assuming Yo-jong ever takes some kind of power in the DPRK in the event of her brother's death-a very, very long assumption, considering how little we know so far-this wouldn't change.

    Pretty much underlines the hollowness of the BlueCheck ideology which purports itself as the great moral guardian of society.

    , @Neil Templeton
    Is she an older sister? Is he dumber than a mud fence?
  40. @Reg Cæsar
    Could she love, could she woo?
    Could she, could she, could she coup?



    https://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/imagecache/mbdxxlarge/mritems/Images/2020/3/4/2ee6492dc1c04f4382c0f27352274db7_18.jpg

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5UWOiDJNAuA

    The stamp pad is interesting.

    • Replies: @anon
    That's an ink blotter.
  41. @Reg Cæsar
    Could she love, could she woo?
    Could she, could she, could she coup?



    https://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/imagecache/mbdxxlarge/mritems/Images/2020/3/4/2ee6492dc1c04f4382c0f27352274db7_18.jpg

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5UWOiDJNAuA

    Getting a real kick out of the “North Korea GIRRRRRRL power” crowd on Twitter. Leaving aside that the North Korean regime domestically subscribes to the actual hardcore, racist ethno-nationalism that they ascribe in feverish nightmares to Trump, this lady is an integral part of a regime that engages in the most hideous, disgusting human rights abuses on the whole freaking planet, and I say that as someone who is a) an openly a-hole foreign policy realist who is mostly indifferent to human rights and b) has generally supported Trump’s attempts to directly talk to Kim in the context of his attempts at economic reforms. Assuming Yo-jong ever takes some kind of power in the DPRK in the event of her brother’s death-a very, very long assumption, considering how little we know so far-this wouldn’t change.

    Pretty much underlines the hollowness of the BlueCheck ideology which purports itself as the great moral guardian of society.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Getting a real kick out of the “North Korea GIRRRRRRL power” crowd on Twitter.
     
    If it happens, it will be yet another Onion headline come true:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEtw3XJoJrE
  42. Isn’t this literally illegal, or is the fact that he phrased it as a question enough to give him a pass?

  43. Every. Single… hold on….

    “ Hertzberg was born in Manhattan, New York City, the son of Hazel Manross (née Whitman), a professor of history and education at Columbia University, and Sidney Hertzberg, a journalist and political activist. His father was Jewish (and had become an atheist); his mother was a Quaker with a Congregationalist background and of English descent, also a great-grandniece of Walt Whitman.”

    Oh lord. Even worse.

    • Agree: Kyle
    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
    "His father was Jewish (and had become an atheist)"

    So Hendrick Hertzberg is half-atheist rather than half Jewish?
  44. The NK Government has a reputation for seeding femme fatale intelligent agents throughout North East Asia. They have a reputation for exceptional beauty. Since I have not encountered many Koreans or Korean-Americans in NYC, I can not offer judgement on their pulchritude quotient!

  45. @theMann
    Well, what is a Democrat to do?


    They completed a total takeover of the mainstream Media, and are engaging a full frontal assault on the Internet Media, and they can't win elections.
    They poured millions of 80 IQ Third-Worlders into the country to vote Democrat, and they can't win elections.
    They have every deceased Black going back to the end of the Civil War voting Democrat, and they still can't win elections.


    So OBVIOUSLY it is time for a coup.


    Given the disintegration of the tax base in the formerly United States, all of us do need to be concerned about what the Military is going to do when soldiers are paid with worthless dollars and Defense Contracts are no longer honored. Ordinary soldiers may have some vestige of duty/honor/patriotism, but the Officer Class of the US Military has loyalty to Thievery, and that is about it. When, not if, the Coup comes it will be for one reason alone: to insure that a Trillion dollars of the Taxpayers wealth continues to pour into the MIC's pockets.

    They won quite a few in 2018 — did you miss that? And they’re looking like they’ll win a ton in 2020. Including the big one. So you may want to stop whistling past the graveyard.

    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    "they'll win a ton in 2020. Including the big one."
    With Biden?
  46. @Anonymous
    Not a single visa issued in a month. Virtually no international flights.

    Immediate expulsion on border.

    As a practical matter there is no means to gain entry to The United States by foreigners at the moment.

    Immigration/foreign travel will likely remain close to zero in 2020. Trump might not have planned for it to happen the way it did, nor is it a good way to achieve those results, but that those results will be achieved seems not to be in doubt.

  47. @Roderick Spode
    What does this muppet think Trump’s approval rating among active US servicemen looks like?

    You and what army indeed.

    The issue is that the general officers and intelligence community are of the technocratic class, and that I bet critical parts of the Air Force (the people flying the drones) skew in favor of the deep state. Informational technology (mass surveillance) would help them identify their enemies, then “infowar” and sharp strategic “shock and awe” targeted attacks would neutralize any opposition. I bet that that is what Mr. Hertzberg is counting would carry the day for his side..

    Any civil war here, now won’t look like 1861. There are two salient models that we can refer to – 1936 in Spain, and 1917 in Russia. In both cases the insurgents won the day, taking down the establishment. In this context, Trump is a quasi- Franco esque character, the figurehead of resistance to the elite.. But a deeply flawed one, in that he really doesn’t have the skill or ideological coherence of a Franco or Lenin, and certainly doesn’t have as coherent a base of support either ..

    I think the recent example of what happened in Turkey a few years ago is another interesting reference point. Erdogan is a populist who is bent on subverting the Ataturkian secularist elite, and taking over the deep state for his own purposes. He’s much more clever and machiavellian than Trump, and I think has been far more effective in moving through the Turkish institutions and countering the “deep state” (a phrase coined in Turkey, by the way) than Trump has been here. Part of this is due to the fact that our own populist movement is not as coherent as the Turkish one, and still lacks effective leadership.

    I think it’s pretty clear that the CIA was behind the Turkish coup plotters, and it’s interesting how badly they failed. All of this is merely to suggest that while the cultural and power differentials are very different here, and the “deep state” and elite seems to hold far more cards in our situation, that they probably ought to be very cautious before pulling the trigger on any open acts of violence.

    What I mean is that the likes of Hendrik Hertzberg probably ought to be very careful for what they wish for. There’s no telling what demons might fly from the bottle of wrath if they dared try uncork it.. Things might turn out very differently than he smugly assumes.

    • Replies: @Anonymouse
    Back when I read The New Yorker I found Hertzberg's opinings about the passing scene very insightful. But that was many decades ago. Apparently he no longer has the mind he had then.
    , @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    I think that a civil war would be more like The Troubles in Northern Ireland - sabotage, kidnappings, assasinations, terrorism, etc. A small group of people could raise holy hell and wear out and demoralize our thoroughly evil Cloud People elite.
    , @Svigor
    Huwhite men are smart, capable, and inventive. They're also apathetic and naive. They grow out of that and they can roll the regime up like a rug. Probably without violence.

    Waking them up and getting them off the couch will be the hard part.

  48. @Reg Cæsar
    Could she love, could she woo?
    Could she, could she, could she coup?



    https://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/imagecache/mbdxxlarge/mritems/Images/2020/3/4/2ee6492dc1c04f4382c0f27352274db7_18.jpg

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5UWOiDJNAuA

    Is she an older sister? Is he dumber than a mud fence?

  49. @Rob (London)
    I think a military coup is probably excessive, but we've all known people who are a little too partial to a drink. Eventually, a friendly "intervention" is needed to help them stop damaging themselves. That's the sort of thing that Trump could do with right now. In fact it looks like it's already happened. The disinfectant-injecting non-sarcasm episode seems to have prompted trusted advisers to have a firm word with him.

    Also, his assertion last week that he has "total authority" over the states and intended to use it - was that not worthy of any discussion around here? If his predecessor had made the same claim, it would probably have merited a comment or two.

    If his predecessor had made the same claim, it would probably have merited a comment or two.

    Though generally more circumspect in speech, Trump’s predecessor used the IRS, CIA, DOJ and FBI to spy on and harass his successor and his supporters. This has merited a comment or two in some places, but not in our mainstream media, where it is treated lightly or ignored entirely.

    • Agree: ben tillman
    • Replies: @Coemgen
    "Circumspect" in this case meaning: "Tied to the teleprompter."

    There was that "the Cambridge Police acted stupidly" remark though I don't believe that was from the teleprompter.
  50. A coup is highly likely. The General Office Corps is all 100% woke, and has been since the Clintons took office. Heck since the first Bush.

    I could very well see it, either the FBI just deciding they’ve had enough of Trump and arresting and removing him and installing, say their patron Hillary (half their spouses work for Hillary). Or the Senior Military deciding they’ve had enough, and installing likely Nancy Pelosi as interim President in time for Biden then Abrams taking over.

    And yes, the military would go along. The Spec Ops dudes would follow orders dutifully, as would the grunts. Don’t kid yourself. The military and cops follow orders. If a coup happened tomorrow and the military was ordered to create death camps for Straight White males they’d do it in a heartbeat. Even if they could figure they’d end up there eventually. Obedience is drilled into them. They obey. Always.

    The only thing that causes mutinies is either women (the Bounty and those Tahitian girls) which was a special case, or mass casualties and according to Sherman, about 40% of their units being killed or so badly wounded they can’t fight. That fits in with Haldane’s work and others following WWII on units on all sides being incapacitated and refusing to fight. For the Japanese with even higher unit cohesion it took about 90% of their unit being killed for them to surrender. [The exception in WWII seemed to be Black units which generally refused to fight at all save for a few units.]

    Yes a coup is highly possible.

    Western Militaries have been drilling obedience since about the time of Themistocles, so yes soldiers would follow orders.

    • Thanks: Neoconned
    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    Always think the opposite of what Whiskey says.

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/94/9a/dd/949add70b0521866f0e15373385f7278.png
    , @Reg Cæsar

    If a coup happened tomorrow and the military was ordered to create death camps for Straight White males they’d do it in a heartbeat.
     
    While they pay little attention to drug bans or drinking ages. I see...

    For the Japanese with even higher unit cohesion it took about 90% of their unit being killed for them to surrender.
     
    The Soviets had over half a million Japanese prisoners. Did they kill five million soldiers to get that figure? Or was it because they allowed the enemy to surrender, while we didn't?
    , @Aeronerauk
    you're such a drama queen. and while our military and cops do go and will go along with a lot of bullshit, they will not put their friends and families in camps.

    The sheriffs in Virginia refusing to enforce Governor Klanrobes McBlackface's Bloomberg funded gun laws is an example that there is pushback.
  51. @Cortes
    The stamp pad is interesting.

    That’s an ink blotter.

  52. @Anonymous
    I can't speak for boobheimers, but none of the Trump-aligned whom I know personally were taken in by the immigration show-tweet of last week. He has lost most-to-all credibility on this issue, it's like Lindsey Graham making threats against unnamed FBI corruptocrats-- "one of these days Alice"

    I can’t speak for boobheimers, but none of the Trump-aligned whom I know personally were taken in by the immigration show-tweet of last week. He has lost most-to-all credibility on this issue . . . .

    And that’s your fault, not his. “Legal” immigration hit a 30-year low last year. Pay attention.

    • Replies: @WJ
    You can't talk sense into the weird Trump haters either on the left or right. The fact that he didnt live up to his word on many issues now makes him worse than Obama/Biden/Pelosi. We might as well have Biden in their view. Of course , many are the nut job "accelerationists" that think they can move the collapse quicker and that will be a good thing. These same people would cry like babies if Netflix were to go away yet they yearn for civil war. So damn stupid.
  53. @Whiskey
    A coup is highly likely. The General Office Corps is all 100% woke, and has been since the Clintons took office. Heck since the first Bush.

    I could very well see it, either the FBI just deciding they've had enough of Trump and arresting and removing him and installing, say their patron Hillary (half their spouses work for Hillary). Or the Senior Military deciding they've had enough, and installing likely Nancy Pelosi as interim President in time for Biden then Abrams taking over.

    And yes, the military would go along. The Spec Ops dudes would follow orders dutifully, as would the grunts. Don't kid yourself. The military and cops follow orders. If a coup happened tomorrow and the military was ordered to create death camps for Straight White males they'd do it in a heartbeat. Even if they could figure they'd end up there eventually. Obedience is drilled into them. They obey. Always.

    The only thing that causes mutinies is either women (the Bounty and those Tahitian girls) which was a special case, or mass casualties and according to Sherman, about 40% of their units being killed or so badly wounded they can't fight. That fits in with Haldane's work and others following WWII on units on all sides being incapacitated and refusing to fight. For the Japanese with even higher unit cohesion it took about 90% of their unit being killed for them to surrender. [The exception in WWII seemed to be Black units which generally refused to fight at all save for a few units.]

    Yes a coup is highly possible.

    Western Militaries have been drilling obedience since about the time of Themistocles, so yes soldiers would follow orders.

    Always think the opposite of what Whiskey says.

    • Thanks: Redneck farmer
  54. @Jake
    An increasing number of Liberals, including the bleeding heart type that thinks it is essentially pacifist, is itching to purify with fire and sword. The Obama presidency did not bring the perpetual paradise they envisioned, and that was due to the whites of middle America and the conservatives. The paradise can be realized if they get rid of the trouble.

    These people are wrong to think the military, per se, would ever support their coup. The FBI and the CIA would be all-in, however.

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
    Eh, in this case I’d think the military would be split or even remained largely uninvolved.

    Most of the military is pretty apolitical and do whatever they are paid to do. Conservatives are plentiful but not necessarily as high in number as the apolitical ones. A few even (especially the minorities who comprise an increasing percentage of the military) are liberal.

    American soldiers are mercenaries, don’t count on them to stop some great calamity.

    Actually, a fair mount of the (few) that join for “noble” reasons like family traditions are deranged Bushite anti-Trumpers.
  55. Anonymous[606] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    To be honest, Trump's recent Fantastic Voyage speculation was inappropriate at a press briefing. Life or death moments are not the time to be trolling journalists. He said himself he was a wartime president, it's now time to act like one.

    I say this as a Trump voter.

    It does also irritate me that he has overpromised and underdelivered in earlier phases of what has been a predictable disaster, as well as pointing to how well the stock market is doing, which had predictable ass biting potential.

    For those with TDS this has been catnip to send them over the edge.

    Still, Trump has had one Biden-level senior moment, Biden has them every week or two. Trump's luck he has demented Biden as opposition and not a seasoned young Bill Clinton type, or Obama, or even pre-presidency Carter.

    How is this a troll?

    I certainly did vote for Trump, in fact very early in the primary season I was for him. I think he has been most effective with taking China to task (unlike Biden for example). On the Wall he has been weak sauce, I am on the same page as Coulter on this one. Call me naive but I had some expectation Trump would fulfil some of that instead of being given his marching orders by Javanka.

    He has also installed some reasonable SCJs. And been more anti-abortion than maybe any president in my memory.

    I would hope that the president I voted for would apply his business brain to making some snappy business-like decisions that would reflect well on his presidency and my voting record by extension. Avoiding big calamities by acting early is not unheard of in business.

    Yeah, I voted for 43 in his first presidential election also. I feel a bit like Charlie Brown with the football. I won’t vote for Biden. Like as not I will pull the lever for Trump again.

    Maybe there is advantage in letting the US get angry in a not quite Pearl Harboresque way. It is not obvious Trump has a cogent Chinese Virus plan. Maybe that is Trump’s plan that will emerge, Kurtz-like after we motor through the swamp in our PT boat, finally confronting him in a dimly-lit cave. Or maybe we come to the conclusion that we don’t see any method at all.

    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
    It is a troll because you did not have guts enough to at least make up a fake name to back your opinion. Anonymous posts are troll posts PERIOD.
  56. @Jake
    An increasing number of Liberals, including the bleeding heart type that thinks it is essentially pacifist, is itching to purify with fire and sword. The Obama presidency did not bring the perpetual paradise they envisioned, and that was due to the whites of middle America and the conservatives. The paradise can be realized if they get rid of the trouble.

    They are going back to their ideological roots: Cromwell and Jacobins and Trotsky.

  57. @JohnnyWalker123
    Remember the time Trump tried to stop immigration, but then failed?

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1252418369170501639

    Guess who killed the recently announced immigration moratorium?

    https://twitter.com/amber_athey/status/1252698819621539847

    https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/1254452006544121856

    Can somebody take a page out of Jared Kushner’s Dad’s playbook and direct a call-girl and a P.I. with some good video equipment at Jared already? That might be the only way to undo some of those “Daddy, bomb Syria”, “Daddy, expand the H1-B visa program” policies.

    • Agree: Neoconned
  58. @Hypnotoad666
    These people are wrong to think the military, per se, would ever support their coup. The FBI and the CIA would be all-in, however.

    Eh, in this case I’d think the military would be split or even remained largely uninvolved.

    Most of the military is pretty apolitical and do whatever they are paid to do. Conservatives are plentiful but not necessarily as high in number as the apolitical ones. A few even (especially the minorities who comprise an increasing percentage of the military) are liberal.

    American soldiers are mercenaries, don’t count on them to stop some great calamity.

    Actually, a fair mount of the (few) that join for “noble” reasons like family traditions are deranged Bushite anti-Trumpers.

  59. @nebulafox
    Getting a real kick out of the "North Korea GIRRRRRRL power" crowd on Twitter. Leaving aside that the North Korean regime domestically subscribes to the actual hardcore, racist ethno-nationalism that they ascribe in feverish nightmares to Trump, this lady is an integral part of a regime that engages in the most hideous, disgusting human rights abuses on the whole freaking planet, and I say that as someone who is a) an openly a-hole foreign policy realist who is mostly indifferent to human rights and b) has generally supported Trump's attempts to directly talk to Kim in the context of his attempts at economic reforms. Assuming Yo-jong ever takes some kind of power in the DPRK in the event of her brother's death-a very, very long assumption, considering how little we know so far-this wouldn't change.

    Pretty much underlines the hollowness of the BlueCheck ideology which purports itself as the great moral guardian of society.

    Getting a real kick out of the “North Korea GIRRRRRRL power” crowd on Twitter.

    If it happens, it will be yet another Onion headline come true:

    • LOL: Chrisnonymous
  60. @Coemgen
    Are you familiar with the old joke whose punchline is:

    "He had a sweater!"

    I thought not.

    Also, are you familiar with the concept of self-awareness/introspection?

    I thought not.

    What do you think about open borders globalism?

    What's worse: open borders globalism or Trump's less than 100% absolute perfection?

    What’s worse: open borders globalism or Trump’s less than 100% absolute perfection?

    What if Trump’s less than 100% absolute perfection is part of open borders globalism.

    A false friend can be worse than an open enemy.

    • Replies: @Coemgen
    I counter your "what if" with my "yeah, so?"

    Seriously though, Trump is the --only-- serious presidential contender I've ever heard speak against Globalism.

    Why didn't Bloomberg "come out" as the Democrat's anti-Globalism candidate? Would that have hurt him? I believe it would have helped him electorally.
    , @anon
    Mexico is emptying its migrant shelters.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-mexico-shelters/mexico-all-but-empties-migrant-shelters-under-coronavirus-idUSKCN2280S7?il=0

    In a statement, the National Migration Institute (INM) said that since March 21, in order to comply with health and safety guidelines, it had been removing migrants from its 65 migrant facilities, which held 3,759 people last month.
     

    In the intervening weeks, Mexico has returned 3,653 migrants to Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador by road and air, with the result that only 106 people remain in the centers, it said.
     

    The institute’s migrant centers and shelters have a total capacity of 8,524 spaces, the INM said.
     

    Victor Clark Alfaro, a migration expert at San Diego State University, said the announcement went hand in hand with the Mexican government’s readiness to keep migrant numbers in check under pressure from U.S. President Donald Trump.
     
    There are still NGO's privately sheltering immivaders. Many of them are connected to a church denomination. Like the Catholics, Lutherans, and so forth and so on. But the Mexican government for now is not just forwarding Central Americans to El Norte, and that's a good step for both countries.
  61. @BenKenobi

    itching to purify with fire and sword
     
    You could say that about a lot of factions these days.

    itching to purify with fire and sword

    You could say that about a lot of factions these days.

    Yep. It’s amusing to hear people on the far right , so many of whom are addicted to fantasies of violence and revenge, accusing liberals of being addicted to fantasies of violence and revenge.

    Unhinged political extremism is the new normal. The lunatic fringes on both sides seem to be growing in both numbers and craziness.

    The similarities in psychology between SJWs and the alt-right are becoming more striking.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    You forgot "a pox on both their houses".
    , @Louis Renault
    Berniebro James Hodgkinson, still being erased from history.
  62. @Rob (London)
    I think a military coup is probably excessive, but we've all known people who are a little too partial to a drink. Eventually, a friendly "intervention" is needed to help them stop damaging themselves. That's the sort of thing that Trump could do with right now. In fact it looks like it's already happened. The disinfectant-injecting non-sarcasm episode seems to have prompted trusted advisers to have a firm word with him.

    Also, his assertion last week that he has "total authority" over the states and intended to use it - was that not worthy of any discussion around here? If his predecessor had made the same claim, it would probably have merited a comment or two.

    Well, if anybody gets to be a dictator because of the common cold, it’s going to be the leader of the federal government. We aren’t going to have 50 dictators. See the Supremecy Clause of the Constitution for that proposition. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacy_Clause

    Ideally, of course, we would have no dictator whatsoever.

  63. If Wiki is to be believed, Hendrik is an honest-to-God cuck.

    Hertzberg is married to Virginia Cannon, a former Vanity Fair editor and a current New Yorker editor. They have a son, Wolf.[7] Hertzberg lives with his wife and her boyfriend (his son’s real father).

    • Replies: @bigduke6
    That reads like a /pol/ edit. I still laughed though.
    , @res
    That last bit just showed up today so not sure I would trust it.
  64. @Whiskey
    A coup is highly likely. The General Office Corps is all 100% woke, and has been since the Clintons took office. Heck since the first Bush.

    I could very well see it, either the FBI just deciding they've had enough of Trump and arresting and removing him and installing, say their patron Hillary (half their spouses work for Hillary). Or the Senior Military deciding they've had enough, and installing likely Nancy Pelosi as interim President in time for Biden then Abrams taking over.

    And yes, the military would go along. The Spec Ops dudes would follow orders dutifully, as would the grunts. Don't kid yourself. The military and cops follow orders. If a coup happened tomorrow and the military was ordered to create death camps for Straight White males they'd do it in a heartbeat. Even if they could figure they'd end up there eventually. Obedience is drilled into them. They obey. Always.

    The only thing that causes mutinies is either women (the Bounty and those Tahitian girls) which was a special case, or mass casualties and according to Sherman, about 40% of their units being killed or so badly wounded they can't fight. That fits in with Haldane's work and others following WWII on units on all sides being incapacitated and refusing to fight. For the Japanese with even higher unit cohesion it took about 90% of their unit being killed for them to surrender. [The exception in WWII seemed to be Black units which generally refused to fight at all save for a few units.]

    Yes a coup is highly possible.

    Western Militaries have been drilling obedience since about the time of Themistocles, so yes soldiers would follow orders.

    If a coup happened tomorrow and the military was ordered to create death camps for Straight White males they’d do it in a heartbeat.

    While they pay little attention to drug bans or drinking ages. I see…

    For the Japanese with even higher unit cohesion it took about 90% of their unit being killed for them to surrender.

    The Soviets had over half a million Japanese prisoners. Did they kill five million soldiers to get that figure? Or was it because they allowed the enemy to surrender, while we didn’t?

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    How many of the Soviets' "Japanese" prisoners were actually ethnic Koreans and Manchurians pressed into service of the Emperor? That's a real question, people forget that Japan was running a multi-ethnic empire in the 1940s.

    Could be the Americans were more brutal, could also be the Americans were facing the elite Japanese troops and the Soviets facing the garbage divisons whose main task was originally pacifying the local Chinese population. Would be interesting to see some real historians on that topic.
    , @FPD72
    The USSR did not attack Japanese forces until after the US dropped the bomb on Hiroshima and the same day as the Nagasaki bomb. Their actions against Japanese forces lasted all of one week until the emperor’s radio announcement of surrender. Although some Japanese units continued to resist, most Russian efforts after the surrender announcement consisted of occupying Japanese held territory in Manchuria and Korea and accepting surrenders from Japanese troops. No conclusions concerning the tenacity of Japanese troops can be gleaned from the number of captured troops from this part of the war.
    , @Chris Mallory

    The Soviets had over half a million Japanese prisoners. Did they kill five million soldiers to get that figure? Or was it because they allowed the enemy to surrender, while we didn’t?
     
    Most of that number were captured at the very end of the war. The Soviets didn't even officially enter the Pacific/Asian war until two days after Hiroshima.
    , @anon
    The Soviets had over half a million Japanese prisoners. Did they kill five million soldiers to get that figure? Or was it because they allowed the enemy to surrender, while we didn’t?

    It's pretty drool watching you argue with Whiskey over something numeric.

    Say, Reg old boy, what is it about the Japanese Empire you find so thrilling?
    Do you make pilgrimages to the Yasukuni shrine?
  65. Hendrik Hertzberg = Hertzberg, he drink

  66. @dfordoom


    itching to purify with fire and sword
     
    You could say that about a lot of factions these days.
     
    Yep. It's amusing to hear people on the far right , so many of whom are addicted to fantasies of violence and revenge, accusing liberals of being addicted to fantasies of violence and revenge.

    Unhinged political extremism is the new normal. The lunatic fringes on both sides seem to be growing in both numbers and craziness.

    The similarities in psychology between SJWs and the alt-right are becoming more striking.

    You forgot “a pox on both their houses”.

  67. @Mr. Anon

    What’s worse: open borders globalism or Trump’s less than 100% absolute perfection?
     
    What if Trump's less than 100% absolute perfection is part of open borders globalism.

    A false friend can be worse than an open enemy.

    I counter your “what if” with my “yeah, so?”

    Seriously though, Trump is the –only– serious presidential contender I’ve ever heard speak against Globalism.

    Why didn’t Bloomberg “come out” as the Democrat’s anti-Globalism candidate? Would that have hurt him? I believe it would have helped him electorally.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Seriously though, Trump is the –only– serious presidential contender I’ve ever heard speak against Globalism.
     
    That's true. And that's why I voted for him. But he hasn't really delivered.

    Why didn’t Bloomberg “come out” as the Democrat’s anti-Globalism candidate?
     
    Because most Democrats are globalists. Some are socialist globalists and some are corporate globalists, but they're all pretty much globalists. And, anyway, the anti-globalist role in the puppet show is already taken by Trump.

    This might well be the new Trump administration initiative. Does it sound like anti-globalism to you?

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-secret-group-of-scientists-and-billionaires-pushing-trump-on-a-covid-19-plan-11587998993
  68. @JohnnyWalker123
    By the way, here's an interesting video from 1993 that corroborates Tara Reade's recent accusation that she was sexually assaulted by Joe Biden.

    https://twitter.com/CurtisHouck/status/1253808940573429761

    If I was Bernie Sanders, I'd definitely show up to the Democratic National Convention. Anything is possible....

    As Biden might phrase it to describe his ever really being the Democrat candidate, “It’s like when you milk frogs to make cheese.”

    Many have known Democrats were going to find a way to lock Uncle Sniffy back up in the attack, we just never knew what excuse they were going to use to do it.

  69. @Harry Baldwin
    If his predecessor had made the same claim, it would probably have merited a comment or two.

    Though generally more circumspect in speech, Trump's predecessor used the IRS, CIA, DOJ and FBI to spy on and harass his successor and his supporters. This has merited a comment or two in some places, but not in our mainstream media, where it is treated lightly or ignored entirely.

    “Circumspect” in this case meaning: “Tied to the teleprompter.”

    There was that “the Cambridge Police acted stupidly” remark though I don’t believe that was from the teleprompter.

  70. @Sean
    Because vaccines can go very wrong the safety testing will have to be exhaustive, and mass inoculation will not start this year. Another lockdown is inevitable if there is a second wave, and stringent taxing of the wealthy to pay for the disruption is becoming inevitable. Herbert Hoover had cut taxes to a historical low. Look at the extremely high US taxes that Roosevelt brought in to deal with a crisis that had been going for 3 years before he became president; the top tax rates under the New Deal effectively became 90% and remained substantially unaltered for fifty years.

    The supply chains and productive capacity that have been outsourced will return because, to take a paradigmatic case, a modern so called advanced economy finding itself in a situation where the 3M head office in Minnesota is making huge profits that are lightly taxed through having its factory in Singapore make medical quality masks that the US government cannot access in timely fashion during a crisis is something that happened once already. It will never be allowed to happen again. But that too mean undreamt of extra funding to add to the massive hospital infrastructure program that will also be required. Three new coronaviruses (two out of China) in 18 years makes preparations for the next one imperative. The Powers of the President will also need to be greatly expanded.

    The Donald is going to cease being Herbert Hoover, and channel Roosevelt to turn on his own class, who never trusted or wanted him a president in the first place. They know Trump is about to make a massive raid on their wealth greater than even Warren was planning, which is why the billionaires and their media hirelings are in a panic to prevent him getting the same returned-for-a-second-term authority that saw opposition to Roosevelt collapse even in the Supreme Court. Hertzberg has the ability to articulate the consensus of the liberal elite, him calling for a coup is somewhat encouraging, because it is clearly a rhetorical ploy and suggests he does not realise how much support Trump has.

    History lesson: Hoover increased tax rates. The top rate was 70% when he left office.

    • Replies: @Sean
    Secretary Mellon's 20's cuts had bought the top individual income tax rate down from 73 to 25 % . Despite strong warnings by the top bankers in the country that it invited catastrophe, Hoover did nothing to damp down the over exuberant speculation, and he doubled down on the overheating by further cutting the top tax rate. He only increased taxes at the very end of his presidency in order to balance the books for the program of works he had been dragged onto ordering (years after the depression started). When Roosevelt entered the White House, the top tax rate was not even 63%, and he immediately raised it. By 1937 it was 79 %. and by 1944 it reached 94%. When the Roosevelt presidency ceased the top tax rate was 90% and settled at that that level by the 1960s. It was only cut to 70 % in the 1980's.

    Trump is faced with a national emergency that may continue for more than a year. He has super-rich who are that way because they decided the progressive reduction of tax levels from the historical norm, which was near- confiscatory at the top rate, made the decision to earn the most massive income possible a no-brainer. Trump has plenty of room to increase the top tax rates and corporate taxes too, he must. The question is will he be slowly dragged into doing it by half measures while on the way out and ajudged the worst president since Hoover, or will he in a timely fashion flip into channeling Roosevelt?

    , @res

    History lesson: Hoover increased tax rates. The top rate was 70% when he left office.
     
    Close. Hoover raised the top tax rate to 63% in 1932. This applied to (all incomes I give are inflation adjusted to 2013 $) incomes over about $16.5 million.

    In 1936 FDR raised the top bracket to 79% on incomes over about $82.5 million.
    In 1941 FDR raised the top bracket to 81% on incomes over about $78 million.
    In 1942 FDR raised the top bracket to 88% on incomes over about $2.8 million.
    In 1944 FDR raised the top bracket to 94% on incomes over about $2.6 million.

    Detailed history of tax rates in the US.
    https://taxfoundation.org/us-federal-individual-income-tax-rates-history-1913-2013-nominal-and-inflation-adjusted-brackets/

    The top marginal rate is at best a rough guide to the tax regime. This article has a graphic which lets you look at how the effective tax rate has varied over the years for different (inflation adjusted) income levels.
    https://qz.com/74271/income-tax-rates-since-1913/

    What is interesting is that since 1942 the effective tax rates for $50k and $100k equivalent incomes have been fairly stable (those wartime tax rates never did come back down for the middle class) with most of the variation happening above that and some variation in treatment of the lowest incomes.

    P.S. Then there is this:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_taxation_in_the_United_States#Development_of_the_modern_income_tax

    During World War II, Congress introduced payroll withholding and quarterly tax payments. In pursuit of equality (rather than revenue) President Franklin D. Roosevelt proposed a 100% tax on all incomes over $25,000.[31][32] When Congress did not enact that proposal, Roosevelt issued an executive order attempting to achieve a similar result through a salary cap on certain salaries in connection with contracts between the private sector and the federal government.[33][34][35]
     
    P.P.S. A modest request. If you are going to start off a comment with something like "History lesson:" please double check your numbers so your history is actually correct.
  71. Is it time for a military coup? You mean like one where obnoxious journalists are rounded up and disappeared?

    • Agree: Ris_Eruwaedhiel
  72. @Keypusher
    They won quite a few in 2018 — did you miss that? And they’re looking like they’ll win a ton in 2020. Including the big one. So you may want to stop whistling past the graveyard.

    “they’ll win a ton in 2020. Including the big one.”
    With Biden?

    • Replies: @Keypusher
    Against Trump?
  73. @dfordoom


    itching to purify with fire and sword
     
    You could say that about a lot of factions these days.
     
    Yep. It's amusing to hear people on the far right , so many of whom are addicted to fantasies of violence and revenge, accusing liberals of being addicted to fantasies of violence and revenge.

    Unhinged political extremism is the new normal. The lunatic fringes on both sides seem to be growing in both numbers and craziness.

    The similarities in psychology between SJWs and the alt-right are becoming more striking.

    Berniebro James Hodgkinson, still being erased from history.

  74. @Ron Mexico
    "they'll win a ton in 2020. Including the big one."
    With Biden?

    Against Trump?

  75. @Anonymous
    To be honest, Trump's recent Fantastic Voyage speculation was inappropriate at a press briefing. Life or death moments are not the time to be trolling journalists. He said himself he was a wartime president, it's now time to act like one.

    I say this as a Trump voter.

    It does also irritate me that he has overpromised and underdelivered in earlier phases of what has been a predictable disaster, as well as pointing to how well the stock market is doing, which had predictable ass biting potential.

    For those with TDS this has been catnip to send them over the edge.

    Still, Trump has had one Biden-level senior moment, Biden has them every week or two. Trump's luck he has demented Biden as opposition and not a seasoned young Bill Clinton type, or Obama, or even pre-presidency Carter.

    Still, Trump has had one Biden-level senior moment

    Trump has a senior moment every press conference. At this point there is no real difference between the two, they are both senile. Watch videos of Trump talking in the 1990s. He has lost far more than a step. This will be the silliest election in history, but I guess grist for the mill of everyone who believes that Presidents have just become figureheads to distract Americans from where the real decisions are made.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    > but I guess grist for the mill of everyone who believes that Presidents have just become figureheads to distract Americans from where the real decisions are made.

    Says who? American politics is more like professional sports than anything else these days.

  76. Seriously though, Trump is the –only– serious presidential contender I’ve ever heard speak against Globalism.

    This is a man whose family business has significant investments overseas, borrows from foreign banks and who depends heavily on international travel to generate revenue for most of his properties (and marries foreigners). Even if Trump has a sincere personal aversion to whatever he understands “globalism” to be , it is not surprising his Mandarin learning, half-Czech children and Jewish in-law are fighting hard to keep the money flowing and borders open

    • Troll: Kyle
  77. Anon[369] • Disclaimer says:
    @theMann
    Well, what is a Democrat to do?


    They completed a total takeover of the mainstream Media, and are engaging a full frontal assault on the Internet Media, and they can't win elections.
    They poured millions of 80 IQ Third-Worlders into the country to vote Democrat, and they can't win elections.
    They have every deceased Black going back to the end of the Civil War voting Democrat, and they still can't win elections.


    So OBVIOUSLY it is time for a coup.


    Given the disintegration of the tax base in the formerly United States, all of us do need to be concerned about what the Military is going to do when soldiers are paid with worthless dollars and Defense Contracts are no longer honored. Ordinary soldiers may have some vestige of duty/honor/patriotism, but the Officer Class of the US Military has loyalty to Thievery, and that is about it. When, not if, the Coup comes it will be for one reason alone: to insure that a Trillion dollars of the Taxpayers wealth continues to pour into the MIC's pockets.

    In the 2020 budget U.S. military personnel (2+ million active and reserve) got the largest pay raise in decades.

    2020 BUDGET FACT SHEET: Protecting the American People, the Homeland, and the American Way of Life

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/FY20-Fact-Sheet_National-Security_FINAL.pdf

    And now we the rising star of the GOP suggesting:

    Republican Senator Tom Cotton lit up social media on Sunday by suggesting Chinese students shouldn’t be allowed to study science and technology at U.S. universities, and should focus on Shakespeare instead.

    The Arkansas lawmaker deemed it a “scandal” that China’s “brightest minds” study in the U.S. only to return home “to compete for our jobs, to take our business, and ultimately to steal our property.”

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-26/gop-senator-says-don-t-let-chinese-students-study-stem-in-u-s

    We have a kleptocratic and sclerotic government bureaucracy with a distractible idiotic populace. And we are importing peoples from lands without electricity, indoor plumbing, and adult literacy rates over 50%. The curtain is coming down for the American Empire.

  78. @Reg Cæsar

    If a coup happened tomorrow and the military was ordered to create death camps for Straight White males they’d do it in a heartbeat.
     
    While they pay little attention to drug bans or drinking ages. I see...

    For the Japanese with even higher unit cohesion it took about 90% of their unit being killed for them to surrender.
     
    The Soviets had over half a million Japanese prisoners. Did they kill five million soldiers to get that figure? Or was it because they allowed the enemy to surrender, while we didn't?

    How many of the Soviets’ “Japanese” prisoners were actually ethnic Koreans and Manchurians pressed into service of the Emperor? That’s a real question, people forget that Japan was running a multi-ethnic empire in the 1940s.

    Could be the Americans were more brutal, could also be the Americans were facing the elite Japanese troops and the Soviets facing the garbage divisons whose main task was originally pacifying the local Chinese population. Would be interesting to see some real historians on that topic.

    • Agree: Hibernian, Colin Wright
    • Replies: @nebulafox
    Large scale surrenders in Manchuria didn't start until August 15th, less than a week after the start of the invasion, with the official order from Tokyo to call it quits. Prior to that, the Soviets could simply bypass strongly defended areas and the Japanese could retreat in a way that wasn't possible in the Pacific. When you take that into the equation, not surprising a lot of Japanese just lasted until the Gyokuon-hoso.

    >How many of the Soviets’ “Japanese” prisoners were actually ethnic Koreans and Manchurians pressed into service of the Emperor?

    I don't know the ethnic makeup of the Kwangtung Army, but on Okinawa, a lot of local islanders were conscripted into the IJA. This partly explains the unprecedented high surrender rates, as there was less time for the propaganda to seep in. It did not help that as the battle went on, the IJA's treatment of the islanders got increasingly nasty. That being said, thousands of IJA personnel did surrender after Okinawa: something unprecedented in the Pacific War. I don't recall exactly why that was, but I do remember one of the elderly Okinawans mentioning that IJA soldiers would dress up like locals and try to blend in, but their accents would give them away.

    On Iwo Jima, most of the soldiers who surrendered were ethnic Korean slave laborers. The Japanese who did fall into American custody on Iwo were often wounded severely or shell shocked enough that they couldn't kill themselves before capture.

  79. WJ says:
    @ben tillman

    I can’t speak for boobheimers, but none of the Trump-aligned whom I know personally were taken in by the immigration show-tweet of last week. He has lost most-to-all credibility on this issue . . . .
     
    And that's your fault, not his. "Legal" immigration hit a 30-year low last year. Pay attention.

    You can’t talk sense into the weird Trump haters either on the left or right. The fact that he didnt live up to his word on many issues now makes him worse than Obama/Biden/Pelosi. We might as well have Biden in their view. Of course , many are the nut job “accelerationists” that think they can move the collapse quicker and that will be a good thing. These same people would cry like babies if Netflix were to go away yet they yearn for civil war. So damn stupid.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    Indeed. All that matters is that he is that he is *vastly* superior to the alternative for the next four years. Right-wingers need to suck it up and support him zealously.
  80. @Christopher Paul
    If Wiki is to be believed, Hendrik is an honest-to-God cuck.

    Hertzberg is married to Virginia Cannon, a former Vanity Fair editor and a current New Yorker editor. They have a son, Wolf.[7] Hertzberg lives with his wife and her boyfriend (his son's real father).

     

    That reads like a /pol/ edit. I still laughed though.

  81. @Kratoklastes
    There was something in my feed this morning, asserting that the Aug 11, 1993 episode isn't on the archive page for the series.

    I didn't check: partly because I give about 0.5 yokto-fucks about US politics, and partly because it didn't strike me as something you read and just immediately think "That's pretty unlikely: better check that".

    https://play.google.com/store/tv/show?id=7A759298BC2363D8SH&cdid=tvseason-40218FBD1AFA6A82SE&hl=en

    August 11, 1993 has been memory holed and the episodes re-numbered. Pretty ballsy memory holing.

    • Agree: ben tillman
    • Replies: @res

    August 11, 1993 has been memory holed and the episodes re-numbered. Pretty ballsy memory holing.
     
    It is fun watching the masks being ripped off. I wonder if anything will come of this blatant incident?

    This election season looks like it will be even more interesting than 2016 was. I think things are going to get ugly. Not in a violence sense, just in terms of increasingly egregious misbehavior.

    Another interesting data point, The Google search blurb for this page:
    https://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/larry-king-live/episodes/202593
    has the text

    The Larry King Live episode guide includes recaps for every episode from every season and a ... CNN's durable interview/call-in show with the avuncular, suspenders-wearing host, who leads diverse panel discussions
     
    But that is nowhere to be found in the current page (compare with the current intro). That page is also unavailable on the Internet Archive.

    Does anyone have a Larry King episode guide from another source? These are no good:
    http://www.tv.com/shows/larry-king-live/episodes/
    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088550/episodes?year=1993

    This kind of nonsense makes me feel better about my collection of physical books.

    P.S. Also kind of fun to watch CNN disavowing responsibility:
    https://hotair.com/archives/jazz-shaw/2020/04/26/1993-cnn-show-featuring-tara-reades-mom-gone-missing-google-play/

    Is any major news outlet other than Fox covering this?
    https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-larry-king-episode-featuring-biden-accusers-mother-disappears-from-google-play-catalog
  82. @Reg Cæsar

    If a coup happened tomorrow and the military was ordered to create death camps for Straight White males they’d do it in a heartbeat.
     
    While they pay little attention to drug bans or drinking ages. I see...

    For the Japanese with even higher unit cohesion it took about 90% of their unit being killed for them to surrender.
     
    The Soviets had over half a million Japanese prisoners. Did they kill five million soldiers to get that figure? Or was it because they allowed the enemy to surrender, while we didn't?

    The USSR did not attack Japanese forces until after the US dropped the bomb on Hiroshima and the same day as the Nagasaki bomb. Their actions against Japanese forces lasted all of one week until the emperor’s radio announcement of surrender. Although some Japanese units continued to resist, most Russian efforts after the surrender announcement consisted of occupying Japanese held territory in Manchuria and Korea and accepting surrenders from Japanese troops. No conclusions concerning the tenacity of Japanese troops can be gleaned from the number of captured troops from this part of the war.

    • Agree: Muggles
  83. @Sean
    Because vaccines can go very wrong the safety testing will have to be exhaustive, and mass inoculation will not start this year. Another lockdown is inevitable if there is a second wave, and stringent taxing of the wealthy to pay for the disruption is becoming inevitable. Herbert Hoover had cut taxes to a historical low. Look at the extremely high US taxes that Roosevelt brought in to deal with a crisis that had been going for 3 years before he became president; the top tax rates under the New Deal effectively became 90% and remained substantially unaltered for fifty years.

    The supply chains and productive capacity that have been outsourced will return because, to take a paradigmatic case, a modern so called advanced economy finding itself in a situation where the 3M head office in Minnesota is making huge profits that are lightly taxed through having its factory in Singapore make medical quality masks that the US government cannot access in timely fashion during a crisis is something that happened once already. It will never be allowed to happen again. But that too mean undreamt of extra funding to add to the massive hospital infrastructure program that will also be required. Three new coronaviruses (two out of China) in 18 years makes preparations for the next one imperative. The Powers of the President will also need to be greatly expanded.

    The Donald is going to cease being Herbert Hoover, and channel Roosevelt to turn on his own class, who never trusted or wanted him a president in the first place. They know Trump is about to make a massive raid on their wealth greater than even Warren was planning, which is why the billionaires and their media hirelings are in a panic to prevent him getting the same returned-for-a-second-term authority that saw opposition to Roosevelt collapse even in the Supreme Court. Hertzberg has the ability to articulate the consensus of the liberal elite, him calling for a coup is somewhat encouraging, because it is clearly a rhetorical ploy and suggests he does not realise how much support Trump has.

    ” a modern so called advanced economy finding itself in a situation where the 3M head office in Minnesota is making huge profits that are lightly taxed through having its factory in Singapore make medical quality masks that the US government cannot access in timely fashion during a crisis is something that happened once already. It will never be allowed to happen again.”

    Correction! It won’t be allowed to happen again for a while, then the situation will go back to normal in time for the next crisis.

  84. @Neil Templeton
    If Mr. President ain't man enough to deal with Jared, he ain't man enough to run the country. Or a tanning salon, for that matter.

    Does Trump even have a clue how weak Ivanka and Jared make him look? He can’t do anything without his vampire twin handlers. Now if only the MAGA people could get a clue that if its tweeted …it ain’t happening. Sadly too many of them just want end times and rapture.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    'Does Trump even have a clue how weak Ivanka and Jared make him look? He can’t do anything without his vampire twin handlers.'

    You're assuming he has a choice in the matter. Let's engage in some unsubstantiated but plausible speculation.

    1. In a lifetime of not unduly scrupulous business dealings, Trump has committed a few sins that might not be likely to come to the attention of the authorities if he had remained a businessman -- but would spell the end if they came out now that he's president.

    2. Other movers and shakers in the New York City business world know the details of these transgressions. There's nothing too unlikely about all this; it's just life.

    3. 40% of America's billionaires are Jewish, and 95% of Jews are more or less Zionists. What would the percentages be for New York City?

    So -- granting all the above, which is hardly beyond the realm of the possible -- Zionists have Trump by the short and curlies.

    All he can do when they say 'jump,' is 'how high?' He has to do as his handlers instruct.

    ...just speculation, as I said.

  85. Pity liberals are too narcissistic to realize their cult is dependent on the old guard to pay for their schemes, and somehow make things still work. Yeah go ahead kill us, your human pets will be devouring you shorty there after.

    • Replies: @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    Liberals imagine that in a predominately non-White America, they'll still be on top, like Whites in Mexico. Actually, they'll be pushed out by their pets who hate all Whites. Nancy Pelosi was challenged for the position of Speaker by a Black woman. The challenge was beaten off, but the next Democratic Speaker will be a POC.
  86. @Peter Akuleyev
    How many of the Soviets' "Japanese" prisoners were actually ethnic Koreans and Manchurians pressed into service of the Emperor? That's a real question, people forget that Japan was running a multi-ethnic empire in the 1940s.

    Could be the Americans were more brutal, could also be the Americans were facing the elite Japanese troops and the Soviets facing the garbage divisons whose main task was originally pacifying the local Chinese population. Would be interesting to see some real historians on that topic.

    Large scale surrenders in Manchuria didn’t start until August 15th, less than a week after the start of the invasion, with the official order from Tokyo to call it quits. Prior to that, the Soviets could simply bypass strongly defended areas and the Japanese could retreat in a way that wasn’t possible in the Pacific. When you take that into the equation, not surprising a lot of Japanese just lasted until the Gyokuon-hoso.

    >How many of the Soviets’ “Japanese” prisoners were actually ethnic Koreans and Manchurians pressed into service of the Emperor?

    I don’t know the ethnic makeup of the Kwangtung Army, but on Okinawa, a lot of local islanders were conscripted into the IJA. This partly explains the unprecedented high surrender rates, as there was less time for the propaganda to seep in. It did not help that as the battle went on, the IJA’s treatment of the islanders got increasingly nasty. That being said, thousands of IJA personnel did surrender after Okinawa: something unprecedented in the Pacific War. I don’t recall exactly why that was, but I do remember one of the elderly Okinawans mentioning that IJA soldiers would dress up like locals and try to blend in, but their accents would give them away.

    On Iwo Jima, most of the soldiers who surrendered were ethnic Korean slave laborers. The Japanese who did fall into American custody on Iwo were often wounded severely or shell shocked enough that they couldn’t kill themselves before capture.

  87. @Peter Akuleyev
    Still, Trump has had one Biden-level senior moment

    Trump has a senior moment every press conference. At this point there is no real difference between the two, they are both senile. Watch videos of Trump talking in the 1990s. He has lost far more than a step. This will be the silliest election in history, but I guess grist for the mill of everyone who believes that Presidents have just become figureheads to distract Americans from where the real decisions are made.

    > but I guess grist for the mill of everyone who believes that Presidents have just become figureheads to distract Americans from where the real decisions are made.

    Says who? American politics is more like professional sports than anything else these days.

    • Agree: Neoconned
  88. @fitzhamilton
    The issue is that the general officers and intelligence community are of the technocratic class, and that I bet critical parts of the Air Force (the people flying the drones) skew in favor of the deep state. Informational technology (mass surveillance) would help them identify their enemies, then "infowar" and sharp strategic "shock and awe" targeted attacks would neutralize any opposition. I bet that that is what Mr. Hertzberg is counting would carry the day for his side..

    Any civil war here, now won't look like 1861. There are two salient models that we can refer to - 1936 in Spain, and 1917 in Russia. In both cases the insurgents won the day, taking down the establishment. In this context, Trump is a quasi- Franco esque character, the figurehead of resistance to the elite.. But a deeply flawed one, in that he really doesn't have the skill or ideological coherence of a Franco or Lenin, and certainly doesn't have as coherent a base of support either ..

    I think the recent example of what happened in Turkey a few years ago is another interesting reference point. Erdogan is a populist who is bent on subverting the Ataturkian secularist elite, and taking over the deep state for his own purposes. He's much more clever and machiavellian than Trump, and I think has been far more effective in moving through the Turkish institutions and countering the "deep state" (a phrase coined in Turkey, by the way) than Trump has been here. Part of this is due to the fact that our own populist movement is not as coherent as the Turkish one, and still lacks effective leadership.

    I think it's pretty clear that the CIA was behind the Turkish coup plotters, and it's interesting how badly they failed. All of this is merely to suggest that while the cultural and power differentials are very different here, and the "deep state" and elite seems to hold far more cards in our situation, that they probably ought to be very cautious before pulling the trigger on any open acts of violence.

    What I mean is that the likes of Hendrik Hertzberg probably ought to be very careful for what they wish for. There's no telling what demons might fly from the bottle of wrath if they dared try uncork it.. Things might turn out very differently than he smugly assumes.

    Back when I read The New Yorker I found Hertzberg’s opinings about the passing scene very insightful. But that was many decades ago. Apparently he no longer has the mind he had then.

  89. @Redneck farmer
    History lesson: Hoover increased tax rates. The top rate was 70% when he left office.

    Secretary Mellon’s 20’s cuts had bought the top individual income tax rate down from 73 to 25 % . Despite strong warnings by the top bankers in the country that it invited catastrophe, Hoover did nothing to damp down the over exuberant speculation, and he doubled down on the overheating by further cutting the top tax rate. He only increased taxes at the very end of his presidency in order to balance the books for the program of works he had been dragged onto ordering (years after the depression started). When Roosevelt entered the White House, the top tax rate was not even 63%, and he immediately raised it. By 1937 it was 79 %. and by 1944 it reached 94%. When the Roosevelt presidency ceased the top tax rate was 90% and settled at that that level by the 1960s. It was only cut to 70 % in the 1980’s.

    Trump is faced with a national emergency that may continue for more than a year. He has super-rich who are that way because they decided the progressive reduction of tax levels from the historical norm, which was near- confiscatory at the top rate, made the decision to earn the most massive income possible a no-brainer. Trump has plenty of room to increase the top tax rates and corporate taxes too, he must. The question is will he be slowly dragged into doing it by half measures while on the way out and ajudged the worst president since Hoover, or will he in a timely fashion flip into channeling Roosevelt?

    • Replies: @Travis
    The Roosevelt top marginal tax rate effected only a few people in 1944, you had to have income of $2.6 million, which would be about $30 million in todays dollars. However, despite these high marginal rates, the top 1 percent of taxpayers in the 1950s only paid about 42% of their income in taxes. As a result, the tax burden on high-income households today is about the same as in the 1950s.

    Trump advocated a Billionaire wealth tax in the past. this would be popular with most Americans. If he created a billionaire wealth tax of 2% on those worth more than $25 billion he would raise $25 Billion. This would only apply to the wealthiest 20 Americans, most of whom are democrats. It would be popular among democrats and deplorables.
  90. A speechwriter for Jimmuh Carter questioning competence. Hilarity level off the charts. I think he’s counting on people not remembering the Carter presidency, rather the post-presidency Carter running around pretending to know the difference between a joist and an anvil.

    Anyway, as the Simpsons once said, Carter is history’s greatest monster. One of his hidden gems is the community reinvestment act which laid the seeds for the financial meltdown.

  91. Time for a coup?

    Yes, but not the one he has in mind.

    The one I have in mind would put Mr Hertzberg (and oh so many others of a similar ilk) under immediate house arrest.

    Pending “further measures” of course.

  92. @Peterike
    Every. Single... hold on....

    “ Hertzberg was born in Manhattan, New York City, the son of Hazel Manross (née Whitman), a professor of history and education at Columbia University, and Sidney Hertzberg, a journalist and political activist. His father was Jewish (and had become an atheist); his mother was a Quaker with a Congregationalist background and of English descent, also a great-grandniece of Walt Whitman.”

    Oh lord. Even worse.

    “His father was Jewish (and had become an atheist)”

    So Hendrick Hertzberg is half-atheist rather than half Jewish?

  93. @ScarletNumber
    I heard it as "He had a hat!"

    Me too. And I heard it from somebody who had heard it the night before from the Israeli ambassador to Spain.

    It is a gloriously funny joke, one of the few I tell which always gets a delighted belly laugh.

  94. @Christopher Paul
    If Wiki is to be believed, Hendrik is an honest-to-God cuck.

    Hertzberg is married to Virginia Cannon, a former Vanity Fair editor and a current New Yorker editor. They have a son, Wolf.[7] Hertzberg lives with his wife and her boyfriend (his son's real father).

     

    That last bit just showed up today so not sure I would trust it.

  95. @Jake
    An increasing number of Liberals, including the bleeding heart type that thinks it is essentially pacifist, is itching to purify with fire and sword. The Obama presidency did not bring the perpetual paradise they envisioned, and that was due to the whites of middle America and the conservatives. The paradise can be realized if they get rid of the trouble.

    Hertzberg was an old-time liberal and is now siding with the totalitarian crowd. I recently finished an excellent biography of Allen Dulles, written by a San Francisco-based writer, another old-time liberal, in which he makes the case that Dulles relied on his network of Pentagon brass to help facilitate the 1963 coup d’e’tat in Dallas. I wonder if totalitarian Hertzberg knows he’s borrowing an a idea from fascist Allen Dulles. Naw. Like the rest of the American left, he’s dropped into the authoritarian toilet without a second thought. Because Blumpft!

  96. @Anonymous
    How is this a troll?

    I certainly did vote for Trump, in fact very early in the primary season I was for him. I think he has been most effective with taking China to task (unlike Biden for example). On the Wall he has been weak sauce, I am on the same page as Coulter on this one. Call me naive but I had some expectation Trump would fulfil some of that instead of being given his marching orders by Javanka.

    He has also installed some reasonable SCJs. And been more anti-abortion than maybe any president in my memory.

    I would hope that the president I voted for would apply his business brain to making some snappy business-like decisions that would reflect well on his presidency and my voting record by extension. Avoiding big calamities by acting early is not unheard of in business.

    Yeah, I voted for 43 in his first presidential election also. I feel a bit like Charlie Brown with the football. I won't vote for Biden. Like as not I will pull the lever for Trump again.

    Maybe there is advantage in letting the US get angry in a not quite Pearl Harboresque way. It is not obvious Trump has a cogent Chinese Virus plan. Maybe that is Trump's plan that will emerge, Kurtz-like after we motor through the swamp in our PT boat, finally confronting him in a dimly-lit cave. Or maybe we come to the conclusion that we don't see any method at all.

    https://youtu.be/03JXTuFGYWE

    It is a troll because you did not have guts enough to at least make up a fake name to back your opinion. Anonymous posts are troll posts PERIOD.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I used to post here with a handle. I lost my nerve after the NZ incident. Also I got used to the lack of handles on /pol. I didn't post much there though.

    I am happy enough to contribute insights and make jokes on here without a handle. Downsides are that you get rewarded for it a lot less and more likely get negative troll tags. Also harder to go back and find replies to posts.

    There must be a reason you targeted my post for troll and not others though. Plenty of other anons. I am not in a position to criticize others for gutlessness though on here. I suspect you thought I was concern trolling. I'm not. Oh well.
  97. @mikeInThe716
    A military coup from the left? NO.

    Yes, there has been "woke growth" in officer ranks over the last dozen years. I've met some of this commissioned trash - I served as enlisted Army infantry 88-92 and kept in contact. But most middle ranks are conservative (small NOT big "c") and ANY coup talk would be considered insane. Not to mention tip-of-the-spear special ops forces, half of whom would actively resist.

    Same with any civil war talk. Steve nailed it with his observation that the US Military likes being number 1 and won't like dividing. A coup would be similarly divisive.

    “A military coup from the left? NO.”

    Right. I don’t see it. After the resolution of the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962, the Pentagon warlords, action-oriented WW2 veterans like Curtis Le May, viewed JFK as a commie-appeaser. When a false-flag plan like Northwoods proved unworkable, they relied on the devil’s henchman, Allen Dulles, who had his own plot in motion, to kill the king.

    Today, the left is what the right was in the early 1960s. They control the civilian aspect of the national security state. They have made inroads into the Pentagon — the Office of Net Assessment comes immediately to mind — but it appears their influence at Defense is limited. Those in government running and participating in the ongoing coup against Trump are from State, DOJ, FBI, and CIA. And don’t forget longtime CIA toady Adam Schiff.

  98. @Reg Cæsar

    If a coup happened tomorrow and the military was ordered to create death camps for Straight White males they’d do it in a heartbeat.
     
    While they pay little attention to drug bans or drinking ages. I see...

    For the Japanese with even higher unit cohesion it took about 90% of their unit being killed for them to surrender.
     
    The Soviets had over half a million Japanese prisoners. Did they kill five million soldiers to get that figure? Or was it because they allowed the enemy to surrender, while we didn't?

    The Soviets had over half a million Japanese prisoners. Did they kill five million soldiers to get that figure? Or was it because they allowed the enemy to surrender, while we didn’t?

    Most of that number were captured at the very end of the war. The Soviets didn’t even officially enter the Pacific/Asian war until two days after Hiroshima.

  99. @Redneck farmer
    History lesson: Hoover increased tax rates. The top rate was 70% when he left office.

    History lesson: Hoover increased tax rates. The top rate was 70% when he left office.

    Close. Hoover raised the top tax rate to 63% in 1932. This applied to (all incomes I give are inflation adjusted to 2013 $) incomes over about $16.5 million.

    In 1936 FDR raised the top bracket to 79% on incomes over about $82.5 million.
    In 1941 FDR raised the top bracket to 81% on incomes over about $78 million.
    In 1942 FDR raised the top bracket to 88% on incomes over about $2.8 million.
    In 1944 FDR raised the top bracket to 94% on incomes over about $2.6 million.

    Detailed history of tax rates in the US.
    https://taxfoundation.org/us-federal-individual-income-tax-rates-history-1913-2013-nominal-and-inflation-adjusted-brackets/

    The top marginal rate is at best a rough guide to the tax regime. This article has a graphic which lets you look at how the effective tax rate has varied over the years for different (inflation adjusted) income levels.
    https://qz.com/74271/income-tax-rates-since-1913/

    What is interesting is that since 1942 the effective tax rates for $50k and $100k equivalent incomes have been fairly stable (those wartime tax rates never did come back down for the middle class) with most of the variation happening above that and some variation in treatment of the lowest incomes.

    P.S. Then there is this:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_taxation_in_the_United_States#Development_of_the_modern_income_tax

    During World War II, Congress introduced payroll withholding and quarterly tax payments. In pursuit of equality (rather than revenue) President Franklin D. Roosevelt proposed a 100% tax on all incomes over $25,000.[31][32] When Congress did not enact that proposal, Roosevelt issued an executive order attempting to achieve a similar result through a salary cap on certain salaries in connection with contracts between the private sector and the federal government.[33][34][35]

    P.P.S. A modest request. If you are going to start off a comment with something like “History lesson:” please double check your numbers so your history is actually correct.

  100. @Coemgen
    I counter your "what if" with my "yeah, so?"

    Seriously though, Trump is the --only-- serious presidential contender I've ever heard speak against Globalism.

    Why didn't Bloomberg "come out" as the Democrat's anti-Globalism candidate? Would that have hurt him? I believe it would have helped him electorally.

    Seriously though, Trump is the –only– serious presidential contender I’ve ever heard speak against Globalism.

    That’s true. And that’s why I voted for him. But he hasn’t really delivered.

    Why didn’t Bloomberg “come out” as the Democrat’s anti-Globalism candidate?

    Because most Democrats are globalists. Some are socialist globalists and some are corporate globalists, but they’re all pretty much globalists. And, anyway, the anti-globalist role in the puppet show is already taken by Trump.

    This might well be the new Trump administration initiative. Does it sound like anti-globalism to you?

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-secret-group-of-scientists-and-billionaires-pushing-trump-on-a-covid-19-plan-11587998993

  101. @Jack D
    https://play.google.com/store/tv/show?id=7A759298BC2363D8SH&cdid=tvseason-40218FBD1AFA6A82SE&hl=en

    August 11, 1993 has been memory holed and the episodes re-numbered. Pretty ballsy memory holing.

    August 11, 1993 has been memory holed and the episodes re-numbered. Pretty ballsy memory holing.

    It is fun watching the masks being ripped off. I wonder if anything will come of this blatant incident?

    This election season looks like it will be even more interesting than 2016 was. I think things are going to get ugly. Not in a violence sense, just in terms of increasingly egregious misbehavior.

    Another interesting data point, The Google search blurb for this page:
    https://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/larry-king-live/episodes/202593
    has the text

    The Larry King Live episode guide includes recaps for every episode from every season and a … CNN’s durable interview/call-in show with the avuncular, suspenders-wearing host, who leads diverse panel discussions

    But that is nowhere to be found in the current page (compare with the current intro). That page is also unavailable on the Internet Archive.

    Does anyone have a Larry King episode guide from another source? These are no good:
    http://www.tv.com/shows/larry-king-live/episodes/
    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088550/episodes?year=1993

    This kind of nonsense makes me feel better about my collection of physical books.

    P.S. Also kind of fun to watch CNN disavowing responsibility:
    https://hotair.com/archives/jazz-shaw/2020/04/26/1993-cnn-show-featuring-tara-reades-mom-gone-missing-google-play/

    Is any major news outlet other than Fox covering this?
    https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-larry-king-episode-featuring-biden-accusers-mother-disappears-from-google-play-catalog

    • Replies: @Jack D

    P.S. Also kind of fun to watch CNN disavowing responsibility:
     
    I can believe that this was done on the Google Play end. Google apparently has no contractual relationship with CNN - Google controls these listings. Google is Leftist enough to do this. Also Wikipedia may or may not be connected with this too. More Leftists. It's Leftists all the way down.
  102. @Whiskey
    A coup is highly likely. The General Office Corps is all 100% woke, and has been since the Clintons took office. Heck since the first Bush.

    I could very well see it, either the FBI just deciding they've had enough of Trump and arresting and removing him and installing, say their patron Hillary (half their spouses work for Hillary). Or the Senior Military deciding they've had enough, and installing likely Nancy Pelosi as interim President in time for Biden then Abrams taking over.

    And yes, the military would go along. The Spec Ops dudes would follow orders dutifully, as would the grunts. Don't kid yourself. The military and cops follow orders. If a coup happened tomorrow and the military was ordered to create death camps for Straight White males they'd do it in a heartbeat. Even if they could figure they'd end up there eventually. Obedience is drilled into them. They obey. Always.

    The only thing that causes mutinies is either women (the Bounty and those Tahitian girls) which was a special case, or mass casualties and according to Sherman, about 40% of their units being killed or so badly wounded they can't fight. That fits in with Haldane's work and others following WWII on units on all sides being incapacitated and refusing to fight. For the Japanese with even higher unit cohesion it took about 90% of their unit being killed for them to surrender. [The exception in WWII seemed to be Black units which generally refused to fight at all save for a few units.]

    Yes a coup is highly possible.

    Western Militaries have been drilling obedience since about the time of Themistocles, so yes soldiers would follow orders.

    you’re such a drama queen. and while our military and cops do go and will go along with a lot of bullshit, they will not put their friends and families in camps.

    The sheriffs in Virginia refusing to enforce Governor Klanrobes McBlackface’s Bloomberg funded gun laws is an example that there is pushback.

  103. Re: the comment by Hertzberg calling for a coup against Trump, this is hardly the first time this has been publicly advocated.

    Aside from the internal Deep State emails we read during the Mueller fiasco, where top level FBI and DoJ honchos were scheming to remove Trump with various quasi legal arguments, a large number of celebrities have publicly tweeted for a military government.

    While I can’t recall exact names, these Kathy Griffin/Alec Baldwin types have tweeted this exact message in their Virtue Signaling over the past several years. I recall this dozens of times in news accounts of these tweets or public commentary.

    Recently the Wuhan Flu pandemic has also promoted some left/liberals to demand a National Guard or military type enforcement of presumably Federal bans on gatherings, protests, defiance, etc.

    I hope some worthy conservative will do the research (that I can’t) and compile a list of these fascists pretending to be “progressives.” Just ask any South American liberal/leftist what they think of military coups and governments. Of course the AOC crowd has wet dreams over enforcing their genocidal polices at bayonet point. Bernie, well, he’d just use tear gas and batons. Soft communism.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    I hope some worthy conservative will do the research (that I can’t) and compile a list of these fascists pretending to be “progressives.”
     
    They're bolsheviks. Bolsheviks are the opposite of fascists.
  104. anon[312] • Disclaimer says:

    We’re going to need to secede and form a separate country. A lot of old boomers here don’t want to face that fact, but I have a feeling it’s going to be necessary soon. These people are dangerous, and they are getting worse every day. Don’t believe me? Visit Trump’s twitter account. I did so this morning because I was mad at the guy … until I opened up the replies and checked some of the blue checkmark accounts. The left is even worse than he is — crazed, dangerous, lunatics. I want a country where they are banned and removed. Full stop. It’s time for peace and quiet. After 2020, there will never be another republican president again and we may never again control congress. It’s coming. Get ready.

    Imagine what these people could do with total control of both houses of congress, the executive branch and its myriad law enforcement and spy agencies, the media, the tech industry, and the federal courts — all in a one party dictatorship due to mass immigration. Sounds like the CCP to me. Or the October Revolution. If if happens and you were warned in advance but did nothing, you are responsible. It’s that simple.

    Of course, separation is easier said than done. The right is filled with a lot of paid operatives, grifters, and nutbags. But it’s necessary, and it can be done if a few prominent republicans speak out. Unless you have a realistic alternative detractors. Please respond to this comment with a detailed, realistic plan free of platitudes that fixes this situation and prevents what otherwise seems inevitable.

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    The left is even worse than he is — crazed, dangerous, lunatics. I want a country where they are banned and removed.
     
    So what you're saying is that to prevent totalitarianism we're going to need totalitarianism. Liberal totalitarianism bad. Right-wing totalitarianism good.

    Another example of the increasing enthusiasm for authoritarian solutions on the far right.
    , @Iron Fist
    Don't see any realistic alternative...
  105. anon[295] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Anon

    What’s worse: open borders globalism or Trump’s less than 100% absolute perfection?
     
    What if Trump's less than 100% absolute perfection is part of open borders globalism.

    A false friend can be worse than an open enemy.

    Mexico is emptying its migrant shelters.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-mexico-shelters/mexico-all-but-empties-migrant-shelters-under-coronavirus-idUSKCN2280S7?il=0

    In a statement, the National Migration Institute (INM) said that since March 21, in order to comply with health and safety guidelines, it had been removing migrants from its 65 migrant facilities, which held 3,759 people last month.

    In the intervening weeks, Mexico has returned 3,653 migrants to Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador by road and air, with the result that only 106 people remain in the centers, it said.

    The institute’s migrant centers and shelters have a total capacity of 8,524 spaces, the INM said.

    Victor Clark Alfaro, a migration expert at San Diego State University, said the announcement went hand in hand with the Mexican government’s readiness to keep migrant numbers in check under pressure from U.S. President Donald Trump.

    There are still NGO’s privately sheltering immivaders. Many of them are connected to a church denomination. Like the Catholics, Lutherans, and so forth and so on. But the Mexican government for now is not just forwarding Central Americans to El Norte, and that’s a good step for both countries.

  106. anon[295] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    If a coup happened tomorrow and the military was ordered to create death camps for Straight White males they’d do it in a heartbeat.
     
    While they pay little attention to drug bans or drinking ages. I see...

    For the Japanese with even higher unit cohesion it took about 90% of their unit being killed for them to surrender.
     
    The Soviets had over half a million Japanese prisoners. Did they kill five million soldiers to get that figure? Or was it because they allowed the enemy to surrender, while we didn't?

    The Soviets had over half a million Japanese prisoners. Did they kill five million soldiers to get that figure? Or was it because they allowed the enemy to surrender, while we didn’t?

    It’s pretty drool watching you argue with Whiskey over something numeric.

    Say, Reg old boy, what is it about the Japanese Empire you find so thrilling?
    Do you make pilgrimages to the Yasukuni shrine?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Say, Reg old boy, what is it about the Japanese Empire you find so thrilling?

     

    I don't care for empires in general. (Though those of earlier centuries had some class.)


    But the biggest threat to American interests and freedoms in the 1940s wasn't the squint with the buck teeth or the faggot with the toothbrush mustache. It was the guy in the wheelchair who picked fights with both. And instituted a peacetime draft.

    Anyway, I learned about our GIs' tendency to shoot rather than accept enemy surrenders from right here on Unz.com.

  107. anonymous[167] • Disclaimer says:

    It is interesting that Steve NOTICES when someone like Hertzberg tweets about this, but ignores the seditious comments of many of his own commenters. It seems Steve, like Vox Day, only NOTICES when it is convenient.

    Steve, Perhaps YOU should be a bit more observant of your own backyard in the future.

    – Covidus

    • Agree: dfordoom
  108. @eD
    This is another example of the boomer senility effect.

    Actually Hertzberg is silent generation, but the mechanism is the same. The man is 77. I remember reading his columns in the 1980s (in the New Republic, at the time the New Republic was not only publishing print editions but was still worth reading) and they were pretty sensible. In normal times he would not be commentating except in a blog post or youtube video here or there. The New Yorker would have hired a younger columnist.

    But about fifteen years ago, people stopped retiring, and so this is what you get. Expect more of it throughout the 2020s, and then suddenly it will stop.

    But about fifteen years ago, people stopped retiring, and so this is what you get.

    With people like Sarah Jeong coming down the pipeline, there ain’t that much to push the oldsters aside.

  109. anon[149] • Disclaimer says:
    @mikeInThe716
    A military coup from the left? NO.

    Yes, there has been "woke growth" in officer ranks over the last dozen years. I've met some of this commissioned trash - I served as enlisted Army infantry 88-92 and kept in contact. But most middle ranks are conservative (small NOT big "c") and ANY coup talk would be considered insane. Not to mention tip-of-the-spear special ops forces, half of whom would actively resist.

    Same with any civil war talk. Steve nailed it with his observation that the US Military likes being number 1 and won't like dividing. A coup would be similarly divisive.

    Same with any civil war talk. Steve nailed it with his observation that the US Military likes being number 1 and won’t like dividing. A coup would be similarly divisive.

    The US military does what it is told. It’s an imperial force filled with people who are only there for the money. It’s also filled with various foreigners from all over the place. There is a YouTube channel by a guy called The Chieftain, IIRC. He’s Irish, yet he served. Same with lots of other groups, including those who want a fast track to citizenship. If it is told to crush republicans, it will. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just kidding themselves. You’ve watched too many Hollywood movies. Why would “The Chieftain” give a damn about your second amendment rights or free speech? It’s nothing to him. He may even think it’s hatespeech, which is a crime in most of Europe where he’s from. It’s a gig job. Nothing more. Patriotism doesn’t play a role for a significant number of people. And don’t kid yourself about people rising up from within the ranks to resist, either. That’s way harder than you think. It only takes a few officers empowered to use lethal force against dissenters to get the entire unit going along with the plan. Most officers are pozzed left-wingers willing and eager to please their master; they are politicians. Maybe Sailer is right and there won’t be an outright civil war. Maybe instead you get the PLA crushing you. How can you people not see this obvious truth? Is the brainwashing that extensive?

    • Replies: @XYZ (no Mr.)
    The foreign born (including naturalized citizens) are 5 percent of the American military.

    That is not a foreign legion. Since the foreign born in the United States are roughly 15 percent of the population in fact, it shows simultaneously that the American military is more American than the country as a whole, and most immigrants don't give a damn about America beyond it giving them a comfortable life, with minimal assimilation if possible.

    https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/immigrants-us-armed-forces
    , @dfordoom

    And don’t kid yourself about people rising up from within the ranks to resist, either. That’s way harder than you think. It only takes a few officers empowered to use lethal force against dissenters to get the entire unit going along with the plan.
     
    I agree with that bit.

    It's also worth considering in the case of the police. If police officers start refusing to enforce laws they don't like all it will take is for a few of them to be fired and lose all their pension entitlements and the rest will fall into line.
  110. I think either Henrik had his tongue firmly in cheek when he wrote this or he has taken leave of his senses. If the latter, then the words are indistinguishable from those of his people’s mortal enemy–the Bohemian Corporal.

  111. @Sean
    Because vaccines can go very wrong the safety testing will have to be exhaustive, and mass inoculation will not start this year. Another lockdown is inevitable if there is a second wave, and stringent taxing of the wealthy to pay for the disruption is becoming inevitable. Herbert Hoover had cut taxes to a historical low. Look at the extremely high US taxes that Roosevelt brought in to deal with a crisis that had been going for 3 years before he became president; the top tax rates under the New Deal effectively became 90% and remained substantially unaltered for fifty years.

    The supply chains and productive capacity that have been outsourced will return because, to take a paradigmatic case, a modern so called advanced economy finding itself in a situation where the 3M head office in Minnesota is making huge profits that are lightly taxed through having its factory in Singapore make medical quality masks that the US government cannot access in timely fashion during a crisis is something that happened once already. It will never be allowed to happen again. But that too mean undreamt of extra funding to add to the massive hospital infrastructure program that will also be required. Three new coronaviruses (two out of China) in 18 years makes preparations for the next one imperative. The Powers of the President will also need to be greatly expanded.

    The Donald is going to cease being Herbert Hoover, and channel Roosevelt to turn on his own class, who never trusted or wanted him a president in the first place. They know Trump is about to make a massive raid on their wealth greater than even Warren was planning, which is why the billionaires and their media hirelings are in a panic to prevent him getting the same returned-for-a-second-term authority that saw opposition to Roosevelt collapse even in the Supreme Court. Hertzberg has the ability to articulate the consensus of the liberal elite, him calling for a coup is somewhat encouraging, because it is clearly a rhetorical ploy and suggests he does not realise how much support Trump has.

    Sean, fortunately Trump won’t be so clueless as to repeat Roosevelt’s mistake with taxes, and we should not be in for any Great Depression.

    This is pretty basic. We’re in a sharp recession. There is tremendous slack in the economy. This is not the time to raise taxes, but rather to do massive stimulus.

    — Tax cuts–ideally on families to promote family formation.
    — Massive stimulus–one hopes on useful infrastructure, that also provides real jobs to young men–though the Democrats will always work to make it useless payouts to their constituencies.
    — Money printing; monetization of federal debt.

    The main thing you must do is ward off a spiraling deflationary contraction.

    Of course, having any sort of effective recovery that gets the American economy back up and running and Americans back to work at decent wages, critically depends on stopping the “global cosmopolitans” from importing yet more labor (and costs) into America.

  112. @Neil Templeton
    If Mr. President ain't man enough to deal with Jared, he ain't man enough to run the country. Or a tanning salon, for that matter.

    They are his Rasputin.

  113. @WJ
    You can't talk sense into the weird Trump haters either on the left or right. The fact that he didnt live up to his word on many issues now makes him worse than Obama/Biden/Pelosi. We might as well have Biden in their view. Of course , many are the nut job "accelerationists" that think they can move the collapse quicker and that will be a good thing. These same people would cry like babies if Netflix were to go away yet they yearn for civil war. So damn stupid.

    Indeed. All that matters is that he is that he is *vastly* superior to the alternative for the next four years. Right-wingers need to suck it up and support him zealously.

  114. @Muggles
    Re: the comment by Hertzberg calling for a coup against Trump, this is hardly the first time this has been publicly advocated.

    Aside from the internal Deep State emails we read during the Mueller fiasco, where top level FBI and DoJ honchos were scheming to remove Trump with various quasi legal arguments, a large number of celebrities have publicly tweeted for a military government.

    While I can't recall exact names, these Kathy Griffin/Alec Baldwin types have tweeted this exact message in their Virtue Signaling over the past several years. I recall this dozens of times in news accounts of these tweets or public commentary.

    Recently the Wuhan Flu pandemic has also promoted some left/liberals to demand a National Guard or military type enforcement of presumably Federal bans on gatherings, protests, defiance, etc.

    I hope some worthy conservative will do the research (that I can't) and compile a list of these fascists pretending to be "progressives." Just ask any South American liberal/leftist what they think of military coups and governments. Of course the AOC crowd has wet dreams over enforcing their genocidal polices at bayonet point. Bernie, well, he'd just use tear gas and batons. Soft communism.

    I hope some worthy conservative will do the research (that I can’t) and compile a list of these fascists pretending to be “progressives.”

    They’re bolsheviks. Bolsheviks are the opposite of fascists.

    • Replies: @anon
    Bolsheviks are the opposite of fascists.

    It's a funny thing, though. Once the Soviets were firmly in control of eastern Europe they didn't really go through the same kind of de-Nazification that West Germany and Italy did. Sure, they shot some number of Fascist / Nazi personnel out of hand in 1945, put some on trial and executed them into 1946, but those were high profile people. At the middle level range they just ... converted them.

    Why do you suppose it wasn't that unreasonable for the Soviets to re-educate a Nazi into a Communist? I mean, aside from the obvious motive of self-preservation, could it be that the two philosophies of power weren't really all that far apart at the low to mid level?
  115. @res

    August 11, 1993 has been memory holed and the episodes re-numbered. Pretty ballsy memory holing.
     
    It is fun watching the masks being ripped off. I wonder if anything will come of this blatant incident?

    This election season looks like it will be even more interesting than 2016 was. I think things are going to get ugly. Not in a violence sense, just in terms of increasingly egregious misbehavior.

    Another interesting data point, The Google search blurb for this page:
    https://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/larry-king-live/episodes/202593
    has the text

    The Larry King Live episode guide includes recaps for every episode from every season and a ... CNN's durable interview/call-in show with the avuncular, suspenders-wearing host, who leads diverse panel discussions
     
    But that is nowhere to be found in the current page (compare with the current intro). That page is also unavailable on the Internet Archive.

    Does anyone have a Larry King episode guide from another source? These are no good:
    http://www.tv.com/shows/larry-king-live/episodes/
    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088550/episodes?year=1993

    This kind of nonsense makes me feel better about my collection of physical books.

    P.S. Also kind of fun to watch CNN disavowing responsibility:
    https://hotair.com/archives/jazz-shaw/2020/04/26/1993-cnn-show-featuring-tara-reades-mom-gone-missing-google-play/

    Is any major news outlet other than Fox covering this?
    https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-larry-king-episode-featuring-biden-accusers-mother-disappears-from-google-play-catalog

    P.S. Also kind of fun to watch CNN disavowing responsibility:

    I can believe that this was done on the Google Play end. Google apparently has no contractual relationship with CNN – Google controls these listings. Google is Leftist enough to do this. Also Wikipedia may or may not be connected with this too. More Leftists. It’s Leftists all the way down.

  116. @anon

    Same with any civil war talk. Steve nailed it with his observation that the US Military likes being number 1 and won’t like dividing. A coup would be similarly divisive.
     
    The US military does what it is told. It's an imperial force filled with people who are only there for the money. It's also filled with various foreigners from all over the place. There is a YouTube channel by a guy called The Chieftain, IIRC. He's Irish, yet he served. Same with lots of other groups, including those who want a fast track to citizenship. If it is told to crush republicans, it will. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just kidding themselves. You've watched too many Hollywood movies. Why would "The Chieftain" give a damn about your second amendment rights or free speech? It's nothing to him. He may even think it's hatespeech, which is a crime in most of Europe where he's from. It's a gig job. Nothing more. Patriotism doesn't play a role for a significant number of people. And don't kid yourself about people rising up from within the ranks to resist, either. That's way harder than you think. It only takes a few officers empowered to use lethal force against dissenters to get the entire unit going along with the plan. Most officers are pozzed left-wingers willing and eager to please their master; they are politicians. Maybe Sailer is right and there won't be an outright civil war. Maybe instead you get the PLA crushing you. How can you people not see this obvious truth? Is the brainwashing that extensive?

    The foreign born (including naturalized citizens) are 5 percent of the American military.

    That is not a foreign legion. Since the foreign born in the United States are roughly 15 percent of the population in fact, it shows simultaneously that the American military is more American than the country as a whole, and most immigrants don’t give a damn about America beyond it giving them a comfortable life, with minimal assimilation if possible.

    https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/immigrants-us-armed-forces

  117. @eD
    This is another example of the boomer senility effect.

    Actually Hertzberg is silent generation, but the mechanism is the same. The man is 77. I remember reading his columns in the 1980s (in the New Republic, at the time the New Republic was not only publishing print editions but was still worth reading) and they were pretty sensible. In normal times he would not be commentating except in a blog post or youtube video here or there. The New Yorker would have hired a younger columnist.

    But about fifteen years ago, people stopped retiring, and so this is what you get. Expect more of it throughout the 2020s, and then suddenly it will stop.

    Everyone born in the 1940’s is a boomer.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    Baby Boom starts in 1946. It doesn't include WW2 goodbye babies.
    , @dfordoom

    Everyone born in the 1940’s is a boomer
     
    The actual current definition of a Boomer is "someone I don't like or don't approve of". The word is used in the same way that words like "fascist" and "commie" are used. It's a moral category.
  118. @Dennis Dale
    Thank God the Founders thought to include the 34th amendment: if a president is bad on television he shall be removed from office and replaced by a military junta.

    Or, some flu virus strain can be identified, tested, fear of the virus promoted, and around which a coup d’etat can occur unimpeded and without bloodshed.

    The Corona Coup d’Etat, now in the books.

  119. Anonymous[606] • Disclaimer says:
    @Chris Mallory
    It is a troll because you did not have guts enough to at least make up a fake name to back your opinion. Anonymous posts are troll posts PERIOD.

    I used to post here with a handle. I lost my nerve after the NZ incident. Also I got used to the lack of handles on /pol. I didn’t post much there though.

    I am happy enough to contribute insights and make jokes on here without a handle. Downsides are that you get rewarded for it a lot less and more likely get negative troll tags. Also harder to go back and find replies to posts.

    There must be a reason you targeted my post for troll and not others though. Plenty of other anons. I am not in a position to criticize others for gutlessness though on here. I suspect you thought I was concern trolling. I’m not. Oh well.

  120. @fitzhamilton
    The issue is that the general officers and intelligence community are of the technocratic class, and that I bet critical parts of the Air Force (the people flying the drones) skew in favor of the deep state. Informational technology (mass surveillance) would help them identify their enemies, then "infowar" and sharp strategic "shock and awe" targeted attacks would neutralize any opposition. I bet that that is what Mr. Hertzberg is counting would carry the day for his side..

    Any civil war here, now won't look like 1861. There are two salient models that we can refer to - 1936 in Spain, and 1917 in Russia. In both cases the insurgents won the day, taking down the establishment. In this context, Trump is a quasi- Franco esque character, the figurehead of resistance to the elite.. But a deeply flawed one, in that he really doesn't have the skill or ideological coherence of a Franco or Lenin, and certainly doesn't have as coherent a base of support either ..

    I think the recent example of what happened in Turkey a few years ago is another interesting reference point. Erdogan is a populist who is bent on subverting the Ataturkian secularist elite, and taking over the deep state for his own purposes. He's much more clever and machiavellian than Trump, and I think has been far more effective in moving through the Turkish institutions and countering the "deep state" (a phrase coined in Turkey, by the way) than Trump has been here. Part of this is due to the fact that our own populist movement is not as coherent as the Turkish one, and still lacks effective leadership.

    I think it's pretty clear that the CIA was behind the Turkish coup plotters, and it's interesting how badly they failed. All of this is merely to suggest that while the cultural and power differentials are very different here, and the "deep state" and elite seems to hold far more cards in our situation, that they probably ought to be very cautious before pulling the trigger on any open acts of violence.

    What I mean is that the likes of Hendrik Hertzberg probably ought to be very careful for what they wish for. There's no telling what demons might fly from the bottle of wrath if they dared try uncork it.. Things might turn out very differently than he smugly assumes.

    I think that a civil war would be more like The Troubles in Northern Ireland – sabotage, kidnappings, assasinations, terrorism, etc. A small group of people could raise holy hell and wear out and demoralize our thoroughly evil Cloud People elite.

    • Agree: Hibernian, Alden
  121. @Old and Grumpy
    Pity liberals are too narcissistic to realize their cult is dependent on the old guard to pay for their schemes, and somehow make things still work. Yeah go ahead kill us, your human pets will be devouring you shorty there after.

    Liberals imagine that in a predominately non-White America, they’ll still be on top, like Whites in Mexico. Actually, they’ll be pushed out by their pets who hate all Whites. Nancy Pelosi was challenged for the position of Speaker by a Black woman. The challenge was beaten off, but the next Democratic Speaker will be a POC.

    • Replies: @fitzhamilton
    I think you're right. The U.S. is different from Ireland though, in that there is no coherent categorical tribal or ideological opposition to elite power yet. In Ireland the indigenous population reacted instinctively in tribal fashion to the encroachment of the British, especially the Scots Protestant colonization of the North and the imposition of British aristocracy. Catholicism, then Marxism, gave them organizing ideologies and international allies that catalyzed and sustained resistance.

    Here the "infowar" psyops regime that we live under has prevented any such tribal or class ideological consciousness from coalescing. There's burgeoning awareness of the malevolence of the oligarchic elite though since the Kennedy Assassination and Vietnam, that's been gathering to a head since 9/11 and the Iraq War. Whether this disillusionment finds expression in an effective ideological counter- narrative, then creates a cohesive political movement with competent leadership is really the critical question. Trump is not the man of the hour in this sense, merely the potential forerunner of those who may come.

    The way this corona virus crisis is being clearly used to create lasting economic trauma could go two ways - it could succeed in further degrading our politics in favor of the elite, or it may catalyze effective opposition. This is where the moral narrative is everything - pre-emptive violence by the so called "alt-right" would be utterly self defeating in propaganda terms. In fact, in its extreme forms the alt-right is almost certainly a cryptic manifestation of the "mindwar" psyops campaign itself, in that it creates a media narrative discrediting resistance. If there were to be a coup against Trump, or some sort of police state lockdown, or if this virus was shown to be a bio weapon and/or people came to believe that the government and elite have used it deliberately to totalitarian ends.. Well, that would change the narrative completely.

    Which is why they have to be very careful, if they are in fact bent on playing such games..

  122. Anonymous[367] • Disclaimer says:
    @Cortes
    Playing with fire springs to mind after seeing

    “In 1967 he enlisted in the United States Navy and became an officer posted in New York City. By late 1968 due to his growing opposition to the Vietnam War he requested conscientious-objector status, which was denied.[7] He was discharged at the end of his commitment in 1969. From 1969 to 1977 Hertzberg was a staff writer for the New Yorker;[11] Spy magazine characterized him during this period of his career as a "lothario." [12]”

    in Wikipedia.

    Further down, in his personal life section:
    “Hertzberg is married to Virginia Cannon, a former Vanity Fair editor and a current New Yorker editor. They have a son, Wolf.[7] Hertzberg lives with his wife and her boyfriend (his son’s real father).”

  123. anon[796] • Disclaimer says:
    @ben tillman

    I hope some worthy conservative will do the research (that I can’t) and compile a list of these fascists pretending to be “progressives.”
     
    They're bolsheviks. Bolsheviks are the opposite of fascists.

    Bolsheviks are the opposite of fascists.

    It’s a funny thing, though. Once the Soviets were firmly in control of eastern Europe they didn’t really go through the same kind of de-Nazification that West Germany and Italy did. Sure, they shot some number of Fascist / Nazi personnel out of hand in 1945, put some on trial and executed them into 1946, but those were high profile people. At the middle level range they just … converted them.

    Why do you suppose it wasn’t that unreasonable for the Soviets to re-educate a Nazi into a Communist? I mean, aside from the obvious motive of self-preservation, could it be that the two philosophies of power weren’t really all that far apart at the low to mid level?

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    Why do you suppose it wasn’t that unreasonable for the Soviets to re-educate a Nazi into a Communist? I mean, aside from the obvious motive of self-preservation, could it be that the two philosophies of power weren’t really all that far apart at the low to mid level?
     
    Or maybe the psychology that made someone a good Nazi also made him a good communist. Some people thrive in an authoritarian environment. Didn't Leni Riefenstahl reinvent herself as a greenie? Same psychology.
    , @ben tillman
    It's not a matter of philosophies. It's a matter of politics. Fascism originated as organized resistance to Bolshevism. They were/are opposites and opponents.

    Opposite: "having a position on the other or further side of something; facing something, especially something of the same type."
  124. @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    Liberals imagine that in a predominately non-White America, they'll still be on top, like Whites in Mexico. Actually, they'll be pushed out by their pets who hate all Whites. Nancy Pelosi was challenged for the position of Speaker by a Black woman. The challenge was beaten off, but the next Democratic Speaker will be a POC.

    I think you’re right. The U.S. is different from Ireland though, in that there is no coherent categorical tribal or ideological opposition to elite power yet. In Ireland the indigenous population reacted instinctively in tribal fashion to the encroachment of the British, especially the Scots Protestant colonization of the North and the imposition of British aristocracy. Catholicism, then Marxism, gave them organizing ideologies and international allies that catalyzed and sustained resistance.

    Here the “infowar” psyops regime that we live under has prevented any such tribal or class ideological consciousness from coalescing. There’s burgeoning awareness of the malevolence of the oligarchic elite though since the Kennedy Assassination and Vietnam, that’s been gathering to a head since 9/11 and the Iraq War. Whether this disillusionment finds expression in an effective ideological counter- narrative, then creates a cohesive political movement with competent leadership is really the critical question. Trump is not the man of the hour in this sense, merely the potential forerunner of those who may come.

    The way this corona virus crisis is being clearly used to create lasting economic trauma could go two ways – it could succeed in further degrading our politics in favor of the elite, or it may catalyze effective opposition. This is where the moral narrative is everything – pre-emptive violence by the so called “alt-right” would be utterly self defeating in propaganda terms. In fact, in its extreme forms the alt-right is almost certainly a cryptic manifestation of the “mindwar” psyops campaign itself, in that it creates a media narrative discrediting resistance. If there were to be a coup against Trump, or some sort of police state lockdown, or if this virus was shown to be a bio weapon and/or people came to believe that the government and elite have used it deliberately to totalitarian ends.. Well, that would change the narrative completely.

    Which is why they have to be very careful, if they are in fact bent on playing such games..

    • Agree: Ris_Eruwaedhiel
  125. S says:

    Time for a military coup?

    Oh, the irony! And projection.

    Might be time for a nation wide re-release of the 1964 movie Seven Days in May in theatres once they reopen.

    It will be recalled this was the Kennedy era movie about a future US president seen by powerful elements and hangers on of the US military as (naively) being too chummy with Russia and giving away the store to them. These elements decide to disregard the US voter’s decision (not to mention the US constitution) by taking matters into their own hands by seizing power and removing the president from office with an attempted coup. The apocalyptic warpath against Russia would then continue on just as before. [Intriguingly, the 1962 book the movie is based upon, has this attempted coup occurring after a future stalemated US war in Iran.]

    So, what gives with the so called ‘progressives’ and an apparent change of heart (amongst apparently at least some of them) regarding coups, US presidents, and Russia?

    Is it that a coup against a president ‘engaged’ with a Russia whose people is safely (from their view) suppressed and caged under Communism is unthinkable? And a coup against a president engaged with a Russia that (if only onstensibly with Putin) represents the interest and well being of the organic Russian people is?

    Damn! Where’s Marine Corps Colonel ‘Jiggs’ Casey to sort things out just when we need him?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Days_in_May

    https://www.scripts.com/script/seven_days_in_may_17840

    • Replies: @anon
    So, what gives with the so called ‘progressives’ and an apparent change of heart (amongst apparently at least some of them) regarding coups, US presidents, and Russia?

    Same screen, different movie.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1GUJMTmoMY
  126. @Coemgen
    Are you familiar with the old joke whose punchline is:

    "He had a sweater!"

    I thought not.

    Also, are you familiar with the concept of self-awareness/introspection?

    I thought not.

    What do you think about open borders globalism?

    What's worse: open borders globalism or Trump's less than 100% absolute perfection?

    I don’t know that joke, but speaking of having sweaters, check out this old TV gameshow from Japan, now cancelled for non-PC I think….

  127. Time for a Military Coup?

    This was just a technical glitch. He just accidentally Tweeted instead of DMing his friends in the intelligence community. That’s all…

    More seriously, do you suppose he will get visited by the Secret Service or even banned by Twitter? Ha ha ha ha….

    • Replies: @res

    More seriously, do you suppose he will get visited by the Secret Service or even banned by Twitter? Ha ha ha ha….
     
    Well, if it weren't for double standards then companies like Twitter would have no standards at all.
  128. @ATBOTL
    Everyone born in the 1940's is a boomer.

    Baby Boom starts in 1946. It doesn’t include WW2 goodbye babies.

  129. @anon
    The Soviets had over half a million Japanese prisoners. Did they kill five million soldiers to get that figure? Or was it because they allowed the enemy to surrender, while we didn’t?

    It's pretty drool watching you argue with Whiskey over something numeric.

    Say, Reg old boy, what is it about the Japanese Empire you find so thrilling?
    Do you make pilgrimages to the Yasukuni shrine?

    Say, Reg old boy, what is it about the Japanese Empire you find so thrilling?

    I don’t care for empires in general. (Though those of earlier centuries had some class.)

    But the biggest threat to American interests and freedoms in the 1940s wasn’t the squint with the buck teeth or the faggot with the toothbrush mustache. It was the guy in the wheelchair who picked fights with both. And instituted a peacetime draft.

    Anyway, I learned about our GIs’ tendency to shoot rather than accept enemy surrenders from right here on Unz.com.

    • Replies: @anon
    I don’t care for empires in general.

    Yet you consistently defend the Empire of Japan.
    What is it about that empire you find so thrilling?
  130. @eD
    This is another example of the boomer senility effect.

    Actually Hertzberg is silent generation, but the mechanism is the same. The man is 77. I remember reading his columns in the 1980s (in the New Republic, at the time the New Republic was not only publishing print editions but was still worth reading) and they were pretty sensible. In normal times he would not be commentating except in a blog post or youtube video here or there. The New Yorker would have hired a younger columnist.

    But about fifteen years ago, people stopped retiring, and so this is what you get. Expect more of it throughout the 2020s, and then suddenly it will stop.

    But about fifteen years ago, people stopped retiring

    Stopped retiring, or stopped being able to retire?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    Neither. About 6% of the working population is over 65, and they account for about 17% of the people in that age group. The share of old people working was higher 70 years ago, if I'm not mistaken.
    , @Brian Reilly
    Reg, 2 sides of that. Some (a great many) are unable to retire. No pension, too many cash-out re-fis, too many grandchildren with addict parents. On the other hand are the easy-workers who are in great guaranteed money jobs, not at all physically demanding, and all supported by their social group or union. Why retire? Great money, no work to speak of? The old lady is 80, your willie ain't woke, so no play there either. Why not take the money as long as they are shoveling it out? A lot more fun that Wheel of Fortune and Hallmark movies all day, no? These folk will never quit. They will die, though. Coronavirus® cocktail, anyone??? ha ha!!
  131. @S

    Time for a military coup?

     

    Oh, the irony! And projection.

    Might be time for a nation wide re-release of the 1964 movie Seven Days in May in theatres once they reopen.

    It will be recalled this was the Kennedy era movie about a future US president seen by powerful elements and hangers on of the US military as (naively) being too chummy with Russia and giving away the store to them. These elements decide to disregard the US voter's decision (not to mention the US constitution) by taking matters into their own hands by seizing power and removing the president from office with an attempted coup. The apocalyptic warpath against Russia would then continue on just as before. [Intriguingly, the 1962 book the movie is based upon, has this attempted coup occurring after a future stalemated US war in Iran.]

    So, what gives with the so called 'progressives' and an apparent change of heart (amongst apparently at least some of them) regarding coups, US presidents, and Russia?

    Is it that a coup against a president 'engaged' with a Russia whose people is safely (from their view) suppressed and caged under Communism is unthinkable? And a coup against a president engaged with a Russia that (if only onstensibly with Putin) represents the interest and well being of the organic Russian people is?

    Damn! Where's Marine Corps Colonel 'Jiggs' Casey to sort things out just when we need him?


    https://www.classicmoviefavorites.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/7-days-in-may-02.jpg

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Days_in_May

    https://www.scripts.com/script/seven_days_in_may_17840

    So, what gives with the so called ‘progressives’ and an apparent change of heart (amongst apparently at least some of them) regarding coups, US presidents, and Russia?

    Same screen, different movie.

    • Replies: @S

    Same screen, different movie.
     
    True.

    Just as prior to WWII (going back to at least 1929) there were multiple (three I know of) US and, or, UK, produced and widely released movies which specifically pegged a future WWII as starting in 1940, and immediately prior to 911 there were multiple movies/television shows such as Fight Club, and the provocatively named 'Lone Gunman' series pilot, etc, which feature the planned in advance destruction of the World Trade Center towers, there were multiple examples of mass corporate media prior to JFK's murder which featured executive leadership assassination.

    Indeed, presidential assassination seemed to be 'in the air' in the early 1960's with the media. It was almost as though they were attempting to 'suggest', or, will it into being, that the assassination of JFK would happen.

    Examples such as the one you've just mentioned come to mind, as well as the US progressive establishment orientated TV series Route 66 and an episode filmed in October, 1963, but not immediately shown, entitled 'I'm Here to Kill a King', which point by point, closely paralleled the actual Kennedy assassination. [For those not aware, 'the killing of the king' is a Masonic concept.]

    Route 66 had an earlier episode (see 'copy cat' link below regarding the episode 'Love is a Skinny Kid') with strong 'the H' symbolism of WWII, as well as Guy Fawkes mask/burning in effigy imagery ('Remember, remember, the gun powder plot of November'), as well as featuring 'Dallas' and '3' (as in three shots). The action of the episode takes place in the fictional 'Kilkenny', Texas. Kilkenny, besides sounding a bit disconcertingly like 'kill Kennedy', the townspeople are called 'Kilkennians', is also an Irish county which is all but right on top of the Kennedy family homestead in Ireland, being merely 'a stone's throw away' across a river there which acts as the county's border.

    For good measure, this same episode in its script also specifically mentions the fictional 'Madame Dafarge' and 'her knitting' of the revolutionary France period. Those who were to be executed by the revolution had their names cryptically woven into the fabric of Dafarge's knitting... in the same way Kennedy's name had been 'knitted in' and 'encrypted' in this shows script?

    Progressivism, since 1776 and 1789, has manifested itself in a 'Right' and 'Left', ie ultimately 'Capitalist' and 'Communist', which, as a manufactured Hegelian Dialectic, I submit has been broadly controlled ever since it's late 18th century inception.

    Kennedy, though something of a progressive himself of the leftist mold, may have been assassinated/executed for the 'crime' of simply being the son of Joseph Kennedy.

    A book on the power the corporate media wields published in 1967:


    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/08/MediumMassage.jpg


    'All media work us over completely.'


    All media work us over completely. They are so pervasive in their personal, political, economic, aesthetic, psychological, moral, ethical, and social consequences, they leave no part of us untouched, unaffected, unaltered. (p. 26)
     
    https://copycateffect.blogspot.com/2012/08/weld.html?m=1

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Medium_Is_the_Massage

  132. @Reg Cæsar

    Say, Reg old boy, what is it about the Japanese Empire you find so thrilling?

     

    I don't care for empires in general. (Though those of earlier centuries had some class.)


    But the biggest threat to American interests and freedoms in the 1940s wasn't the squint with the buck teeth or the faggot with the toothbrush mustache. It was the guy in the wheelchair who picked fights with both. And instituted a peacetime draft.

    Anyway, I learned about our GIs' tendency to shoot rather than accept enemy surrenders from right here on Unz.com.

    I don’t care for empires in general.

    Yet you consistently defend the Empire of Japan.
    What is it about that empire you find so thrilling?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Yet you consistently defend the Empire of Japan.
     
    The only Japanese of the 1940's I've ever defended here, or anywhere else, are Japanese-Americans, who, like many Europeans, suffered under a fascist régime elected by their doofus neighbors.

    That you consider them part of the Japanese Empire speaks volumes about you-- or is it scrolls? Do you also consider Charles Lindbergh and Jeannette Rankin to have been "anti-Semitic"?
  133. @Rob (London)
    I think a military coup is probably excessive, but we've all known people who are a little too partial to a drink. Eventually, a friendly "intervention" is needed to help them stop damaging themselves. That's the sort of thing that Trump could do with right now. In fact it looks like it's already happened. The disinfectant-injecting non-sarcasm episode seems to have prompted trusted advisers to have a firm word with him.

    Also, his assertion last week that he has "total authority" over the states and intended to use it - was that not worthy of any discussion around here? If his predecessor had made the same claim, it would probably have merited a comment or two.

    Trump, as President and head of the federal government does have total authority over the country and the states.

    And there are hundreds of precedents going back to the 1790s when the president and the federal government asserted authority over the states.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    It's not unlimited, at least in theory.
  134. S says:
    @anon
    So, what gives with the so called ‘progressives’ and an apparent change of heart (amongst apparently at least some of them) regarding coups, US presidents, and Russia?

    Same screen, different movie.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1GUJMTmoMY

    Same screen, different movie.

    True.

    Just as prior to WWII (going back to at least 1929) there were multiple (three I know of) US and, or, UK, produced and widely released movies which specifically pegged a future WWII as starting in 1940, and immediately prior to 911 there were multiple movies/television shows such as Fight Club, and the provocatively named ‘Lone Gunman’ series pilot, etc, which feature the planned in advance destruction of the World Trade Center towers, there were multiple examples of mass corporate media prior to JFK’s murder which featured executive leadership assassination.

    Indeed, presidential assassination seemed to be ‘in the air’ in the early 1960’s with the media. It was almost as though they were attempting to ‘suggest’, or, will it into being, that the assassination of JFK would happen.

    Examples such as the one you’ve just mentioned come to mind, as well as the US progressive establishment orientated TV series Route 66 and an episode filmed in October, 1963, but not immediately shown, entitled ‘I’m Here to Kill a King’, which point by point, closely paralleled the actual Kennedy assassination. [For those not aware, ‘the killing of the king’ is a Masonic concept.]

    Route 66 had an earlier episode (see ‘copy cat’ link below regarding the episode ‘Love is a Skinny Kid’) with strong ‘the H’ symbolism of WWII, as well as Guy Fawkes mask/burning in effigy imagery (‘Remember, remember, the gun powder plot of November’), as well as featuring ‘Dallas’ and ‘3’ (as in three shots). The action of the episode takes place in the fictional ‘Kilkenny’, Texas. Kilkenny, besides sounding a bit disconcertingly like ‘kill Kennedy’, the townspeople are called ‘Kilkennians’, is also an Irish county which is all but right on top of the Kennedy family homestead in Ireland, being merely ‘a stone’s throw away’ across a river there which acts as the county’s border.

    For good measure, this same episode in its script also specifically mentions the fictional ‘Madame Dafarge’ and ‘her knitting’ of the revolutionary France period. Those who were to be executed by the revolution had their names cryptically woven into the fabric of Dafarge’s knitting… in the same way Kennedy’s name had been ‘knitted in’ and ‘encrypted’ in this shows script?

    Progressivism, since 1776 and 1789, has manifested itself in a ‘Right’ and ‘Left’, ie ultimately ‘Capitalist’ and ‘Communist’, which, as a manufactured Hegelian Dialectic, I submit has been broadly controlled ever since it’s late 18th century inception.

    Kennedy, though something of a progressive himself of the leftist mold, may have been assassinated/executed for the ‘crime’ of simply being the son of Joseph Kennedy.

    A book on the power the corporate media wields published in 1967:

    ‘All media work us over completely.’

    All media work us over completely. They are so pervasive in their personal, political, economic, aesthetic, psychological, moral, ethical, and social consequences, they leave no part of us untouched, unaffected, unaltered. (p. 26)

    https://copycateffect.blogspot.com/2012/08/weld.html?m=1

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Medium_Is_the_Massage

    • Replies: @S

    ...[the] TV series Route 66 and an episode filmed in October, 1963, but not immediately shown, entitled ‘I’m Here to Kill a King’, which point by point, closely paralleled the actual Kennedy assassination. [For those not aware, ‘the killing of the king’ is a Masonic concept.]
     
    Some elaboration upon 'the killing of the king' concept within Freemasonry linked below. [YouTube has a pristine copy of the aforementioned Route 66 episode for any interested.]

    The first link, while somewhat esoteric, is of interest.

    The second excerpted link is to a masonic site listing thirty-three movies freemasons should watch. Number 26, said by the site to be 'arguably the most important historic film for Freemasonry', was the 2003 movie To Kill a King, whose plot centers upon the spectacle of the public execution of King Charles I of England by beheading.

    To Kill A King – This is arguably the most important historic film for Freemasonry because the framework we recognize as Freemasonry began to emerge during the events of this time. It is set against the backdrop of the English Civil War, which was waged by Parliament, representing the people, against their king, Charles I. Charles lost and was beheaded. Going king-less didn’t end up working out for the British people, but it did set events in motion that would give rise for the English enlightenment and the Scientific Revolution.
     
    To which a lone commenter added:

    To Kill a King (#26) Thank you. Finally, someone else who recognizes that the English Civil War may likely be the most important event in Freemasonry. With Brother Thomas Fairfax being placed as Commander of the Parliamentarian army and many Masons being appointed officers as a result of this, not only was it the first time Freemasonry was permitted to function in the open, but it would likewise be the template that George Washington would recognize, having himself being directly bound to this renown Masonic family which gave him his start. Unfortunately, because of Cromwell’s machinations and the return of the Stuart kings (who preferred Catholicism), no overt public grand lodge would be possible until 1717 when all were certain that it could function openly without political retaliation.
     
    https://www.revisionisthistory.org/kingkill33.html

    https://freemason-wa.org/2016/07/20/33-historical-films-every-freemason-see/
  135. @anon
    We're going to need to secede and form a separate country. A lot of old boomers here don't want to face that fact, but I have a feeling it's going to be necessary soon. These people are dangerous, and they are getting worse every day. Don't believe me? Visit Trump's twitter account. I did so this morning because I was mad at the guy ... until I opened up the replies and checked some of the blue checkmark accounts. The left is even worse than he is -- crazed, dangerous, lunatics. I want a country where they are banned and removed. Full stop. It's time for peace and quiet. After 2020, there will never be another republican president again and we may never again control congress. It's coming. Get ready.

    Imagine what these people could do with total control of both houses of congress, the executive branch and its myriad law enforcement and spy agencies, the media, the tech industry, and the federal courts -- all in a one party dictatorship due to mass immigration. Sounds like the CCP to me. Or the October Revolution. If if happens and you were warned in advance but did nothing, you are responsible. It's that simple.

    Of course, separation is easier said than done. The right is filled with a lot of paid operatives, grifters, and nutbags. But it's necessary, and it can be done if a few prominent republicans speak out. Unless you have a realistic alternative detractors. Please respond to this comment with a detailed, realistic plan free of platitudes that fixes this situation and prevents what otherwise seems inevitable.

    The left is even worse than he is — crazed, dangerous, lunatics. I want a country where they are banned and removed.

    So what you’re saying is that to prevent totalitarianism we’re going to need totalitarianism. Liberal totalitarianism bad. Right-wing totalitarianism good.

    Another example of the increasing enthusiasm for authoritarian solutions on the far right.

  136. @anon

    Same with any civil war talk. Steve nailed it with his observation that the US Military likes being number 1 and won’t like dividing. A coup would be similarly divisive.
     
    The US military does what it is told. It's an imperial force filled with people who are only there for the money. It's also filled with various foreigners from all over the place. There is a YouTube channel by a guy called The Chieftain, IIRC. He's Irish, yet he served. Same with lots of other groups, including those who want a fast track to citizenship. If it is told to crush republicans, it will. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just kidding themselves. You've watched too many Hollywood movies. Why would "The Chieftain" give a damn about your second amendment rights or free speech? It's nothing to him. He may even think it's hatespeech, which is a crime in most of Europe where he's from. It's a gig job. Nothing more. Patriotism doesn't play a role for a significant number of people. And don't kid yourself about people rising up from within the ranks to resist, either. That's way harder than you think. It only takes a few officers empowered to use lethal force against dissenters to get the entire unit going along with the plan. Most officers are pozzed left-wingers willing and eager to please their master; they are politicians. Maybe Sailer is right and there won't be an outright civil war. Maybe instead you get the PLA crushing you. How can you people not see this obvious truth? Is the brainwashing that extensive?

    And don’t kid yourself about people rising up from within the ranks to resist, either. That’s way harder than you think. It only takes a few officers empowered to use lethal force against dissenters to get the entire unit going along with the plan.

    I agree with that bit.

    It’s also worth considering in the case of the police. If police officers start refusing to enforce laws they don’t like all it will take is for a few of them to be fired and lose all their pension entitlements and the rest will fall into line.

  137. @ATBOTL
    Everyone born in the 1940's is a boomer.

    Everyone born in the 1940’s is a boomer

    The actual current definition of a Boomer is “someone I don’t like or don’t approve of”. The word is used in the same way that words like “fascist” and “commie” are used. It’s a moral category.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The actual current definition of a Boomer is “someone I don’t like or don’t approve of”.
     
    It's like whites to blacks, men to feminists, which gringos to beaners, breeders to homos, Yankees to Southrons... the source of all grief in the world.

    If these "boomers" have dropped the ball anywhere, it is in education, because nobody who's come after them seems to be able to think straight about anything.

    They are especially confused about the meaning of "ink-stained wretch":


    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/de/7e/a6/de7ea660b525a3d6bc1b3759fba892ac.jpg

    https://static2.stuff.co.nz/1373431652/197/8902197.jpg

    https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article8038555.ece/ALTERNATES/s810/Tattoo-artist-is-giving-young-kids-sleeve-tattoos-for-a-very-good-reason.jpg

    I don’t care about your laws, mate, or what the average Daily Mail reader thinks. They think people with face tattoos should be denied benefit payments.

    Really? “If you intentionally make yourself unemployable by doing this – no benefits for you,” said one, commenting on the news.

    Well. That is slightly concerning. “Anyone that gets a tattoo on their face which does prevent them from working should have all benefits permanently stopped,” said another.

    I don’t see that sentiment gaining wider currency, do you? “Ink on faces should be instant disqualification from access to benefits,” said a third.

    Huh. I’m just going to text my mum. OK.

    https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/shortcuts/2019/nov/18/the-rise-of-jobstoppers-should-face-tattoos-be-banned
     
  138. S says:
    @S

    Same screen, different movie.
     
    True.

    Just as prior to WWII (going back to at least 1929) there were multiple (three I know of) US and, or, UK, produced and widely released movies which specifically pegged a future WWII as starting in 1940, and immediately prior to 911 there were multiple movies/television shows such as Fight Club, and the provocatively named 'Lone Gunman' series pilot, etc, which feature the planned in advance destruction of the World Trade Center towers, there were multiple examples of mass corporate media prior to JFK's murder which featured executive leadership assassination.

    Indeed, presidential assassination seemed to be 'in the air' in the early 1960's with the media. It was almost as though they were attempting to 'suggest', or, will it into being, that the assassination of JFK would happen.

    Examples such as the one you've just mentioned come to mind, as well as the US progressive establishment orientated TV series Route 66 and an episode filmed in October, 1963, but not immediately shown, entitled 'I'm Here to Kill a King', which point by point, closely paralleled the actual Kennedy assassination. [For those not aware, 'the killing of the king' is a Masonic concept.]

    Route 66 had an earlier episode (see 'copy cat' link below regarding the episode 'Love is a Skinny Kid') with strong 'the H' symbolism of WWII, as well as Guy Fawkes mask/burning in effigy imagery ('Remember, remember, the gun powder plot of November'), as well as featuring 'Dallas' and '3' (as in three shots). The action of the episode takes place in the fictional 'Kilkenny', Texas. Kilkenny, besides sounding a bit disconcertingly like 'kill Kennedy', the townspeople are called 'Kilkennians', is also an Irish county which is all but right on top of the Kennedy family homestead in Ireland, being merely 'a stone's throw away' across a river there which acts as the county's border.

    For good measure, this same episode in its script also specifically mentions the fictional 'Madame Dafarge' and 'her knitting' of the revolutionary France period. Those who were to be executed by the revolution had their names cryptically woven into the fabric of Dafarge's knitting... in the same way Kennedy's name had been 'knitted in' and 'encrypted' in this shows script?

    Progressivism, since 1776 and 1789, has manifested itself in a 'Right' and 'Left', ie ultimately 'Capitalist' and 'Communist', which, as a manufactured Hegelian Dialectic, I submit has been broadly controlled ever since it's late 18th century inception.

    Kennedy, though something of a progressive himself of the leftist mold, may have been assassinated/executed for the 'crime' of simply being the son of Joseph Kennedy.

    A book on the power the corporate media wields published in 1967:


    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/08/MediumMassage.jpg


    'All media work us over completely.'


    All media work us over completely. They are so pervasive in their personal, political, economic, aesthetic, psychological, moral, ethical, and social consequences, they leave no part of us untouched, unaffected, unaltered. (p. 26)
     
    https://copycateffect.blogspot.com/2012/08/weld.html?m=1

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Medium_Is_the_Massage

    …[the] TV series Route 66 and an episode filmed in October, 1963, but not immediately shown, entitled ‘I’m Here to Kill a King’, which point by point, closely paralleled the actual Kennedy assassination. [For those not aware, ‘the killing of the king’ is a Masonic concept.]

    Some elaboration upon ‘the killing of the king’ concept within Freemasonry linked below. [YouTube has a pristine copy of the aforementioned Route 66 episode for any interested.]

    The first link, while somewhat esoteric, is of interest.

    The second excerpted link is to a masonic site listing thirty-three movies freemasons should watch. Number 26, said by the site to be ‘arguably the most important historic film for Freemasonry’, was the 2003 movie To Kill a King, whose plot centers upon the spectacle of the public execution of King Charles I of England by beheading.

    To Kill A King – This is arguably the most important historic film for Freemasonry because the framework we recognize as Freemasonry began to emerge during the events of this time. It is set against the backdrop of the English Civil War, which was waged by Parliament, representing the people, against their king, Charles I. Charles lost and was beheaded. Going king-less didn’t end up working out for the British people, but it did set events in motion that would give rise for the English enlightenment and the Scientific Revolution.

    To which a lone commenter added:

    To Kill a King (#26) Thank you. Finally, someone else who recognizes that the English Civil War may likely be the most important event in Freemasonry. With Brother Thomas Fairfax being placed as Commander of the Parliamentarian army and many Masons being appointed officers as a result of this, not only was it the first time Freemasonry was permitted to function in the open, but it would likewise be the template that George Washington would recognize, having himself being directly bound to this renown Masonic family which gave him his start. Unfortunately, because of Cromwell’s machinations and the return of the Stuart kings (who preferred Catholicism), no overt public grand lodge would be possible until 1717 when all were certain that it could function openly without political retaliation.

    https://www.revisionisthistory.org/kingkill33.html

    https://freemason-wa.org/2016/07/20/33-historical-films-every-freemason-see/

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    There was Frank Sinatra movie from 1954 where he attempts to kill President Eisenhower.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MBLJcr-dt0
    , @ben tillman

    To Kill A King – This is arguably the most important historic film for Freemasonry because the framework we recognize as Freemasonry began to emerge during the events of this time. It is set against the backdrop of the English Civil War, which was waged by Parliament, representing the people, against their king, Charles I. Charles lost and was beheaded.
     
    Charles -- not Parliament -- represented the people.
  139. @anon
    Bolsheviks are the opposite of fascists.

    It's a funny thing, though. Once the Soviets were firmly in control of eastern Europe they didn't really go through the same kind of de-Nazification that West Germany and Italy did. Sure, they shot some number of Fascist / Nazi personnel out of hand in 1945, put some on trial and executed them into 1946, but those were high profile people. At the middle level range they just ... converted them.

    Why do you suppose it wasn't that unreasonable for the Soviets to re-educate a Nazi into a Communist? I mean, aside from the obvious motive of self-preservation, could it be that the two philosophies of power weren't really all that far apart at the low to mid level?

    Why do you suppose it wasn’t that unreasonable for the Soviets to re-educate a Nazi into a Communist? I mean, aside from the obvious motive of self-preservation, could it be that the two philosophies of power weren’t really all that far apart at the low to mid level?

    Or maybe the psychology that made someone a good Nazi also made him a good communist. Some people thrive in an authoritarian environment. Didn’t Leni Riefenstahl reinvent herself as a greenie? Same psychology.

  140. @Chrisnonymous

    Time for a Military Coup?
     
    This was just a technical glitch. He just accidentally Tweeted instead of DMing his friends in the intelligence community. That's all...

    More seriously, do you suppose he will get visited by the Secret Service or even banned by Twitter? Ha ha ha ha....

    More seriously, do you suppose he will get visited by the Secret Service or even banned by Twitter? Ha ha ha ha….

    Well, if it weren’t for double standards then companies like Twitter would have no standards at all.

  141. @dfordoom

    Everyone born in the 1940’s is a boomer
     
    The actual current definition of a Boomer is "someone I don't like or don't approve of". The word is used in the same way that words like "fascist" and "commie" are used. It's a moral category.

    The actual current definition of a Boomer is “someone I don’t like or don’t approve of”.

    It’s like whites to blacks, men to feminists, which gringos to beaners, breeders to homos, Yankees to Southrons… the source of all grief in the world.

    If these “boomers” have dropped the ball anywhere, it is in education, because nobody who’s come after them seems to be able to think straight about anything.

    They are especially confused about the meaning of “ink-stained wretch”:

    I don’t care about your laws, mate, or what the average Daily Mail reader thinks. They think people with face tattoos should be denied benefit payments.

    Really? “If you intentionally make yourself unemployable by doing this – no benefits for you,” said one, commenting on the news.

    Well. That is slightly concerning. “Anyone that gets a tattoo on their face which does prevent them from working should have all benefits permanently stopped,” said another.

    I don’t see that sentiment gaining wider currency, do you? “Ink on faces should be instant disqualification from access to benefits,” said a third.

    Huh. I’m just going to text my mum. OK.

    https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/shortcuts/2019/nov/18/the-rise-of-jobstoppers-should-face-tattoos-be-banned

  142. @anon
    Bolsheviks are the opposite of fascists.

    It's a funny thing, though. Once the Soviets were firmly in control of eastern Europe they didn't really go through the same kind of de-Nazification that West Germany and Italy did. Sure, they shot some number of Fascist / Nazi personnel out of hand in 1945, put some on trial and executed them into 1946, but those were high profile people. At the middle level range they just ... converted them.

    Why do you suppose it wasn't that unreasonable for the Soviets to re-educate a Nazi into a Communist? I mean, aside from the obvious motive of self-preservation, could it be that the two philosophies of power weren't really all that far apart at the low to mid level?

    It’s not a matter of philosophies. It’s a matter of politics. Fascism originated as organized resistance to Bolshevism. They were/are opposites and opponents.

    Opposite: “having a position on the other or further side of something; facing something, especially something of the same type.”

    • Replies: @anon
    It’s not a matter of philosophies. It’s a matter of politics. Fascism originated as organized resistance to Bolshevism.

    Sort of. Mussolini was all-in the Socialist International until Italy joined WW 1.0, and his blackshirts were not just fighting with Bolshies. But Benito never really developed a coherent philosophy, he didn't work that way. He didn't write anything like 'Mein Kampf" as far as I know.

    The misuse and abuse of the word "Fascism" has left us with a poorer vocabulary, but oh well.

    They were/are opposites and opponents.

    Yes, opponents. Opposites? Not so much, and as I pointed out before that's why the Soviets were able to "retrain" the regimes in Eastern Europe and especially East Germany. Because at the lower to medium level there wasn't / isn't that much difference. How much ideology did the average Nazi Gauleiter have to know to do his job in 1945? How much did he really have to change in his thinking to be an effective member of the Volks Polezei a couple of years later?

    To the dissident poet getting his front teeth knocked out to teach him a lesson, Bolshevism / Communism and Fascism and Nazism don't look all that different. If anything the Italian Fascists and the Spanish Falange were not quite as efficiently brutal as the rest. Which isn't saying much, to be sure.

    Pox on all their houses. All of them. Including the Empire of Japan.

    Why does this matter, anyway? You have some emotional investment in either camp, or what?
  143. @S

    ...[the] TV series Route 66 and an episode filmed in October, 1963, but not immediately shown, entitled ‘I’m Here to Kill a King’, which point by point, closely paralleled the actual Kennedy assassination. [For those not aware, ‘the killing of the king’ is a Masonic concept.]
     
    Some elaboration upon 'the killing of the king' concept within Freemasonry linked below. [YouTube has a pristine copy of the aforementioned Route 66 episode for any interested.]

    The first link, while somewhat esoteric, is of interest.

    The second excerpted link is to a masonic site listing thirty-three movies freemasons should watch. Number 26, said by the site to be 'arguably the most important historic film for Freemasonry', was the 2003 movie To Kill a King, whose plot centers upon the spectacle of the public execution of King Charles I of England by beheading.

    To Kill A King – This is arguably the most important historic film for Freemasonry because the framework we recognize as Freemasonry began to emerge during the events of this time. It is set against the backdrop of the English Civil War, which was waged by Parliament, representing the people, against their king, Charles I. Charles lost and was beheaded. Going king-less didn’t end up working out for the British people, but it did set events in motion that would give rise for the English enlightenment and the Scientific Revolution.
     
    To which a lone commenter added:

    To Kill a King (#26) Thank you. Finally, someone else who recognizes that the English Civil War may likely be the most important event in Freemasonry. With Brother Thomas Fairfax being placed as Commander of the Parliamentarian army and many Masons being appointed officers as a result of this, not only was it the first time Freemasonry was permitted to function in the open, but it would likewise be the template that George Washington would recognize, having himself being directly bound to this renown Masonic family which gave him his start. Unfortunately, because of Cromwell’s machinations and the return of the Stuart kings (who preferred Catholicism), no overt public grand lodge would be possible until 1717 when all were certain that it could function openly without political retaliation.
     
    https://www.revisionisthistory.org/kingkill33.html

    https://freemason-wa.org/2016/07/20/33-historical-films-every-freemason-see/

    There was Frank Sinatra movie from 1954 where he attempts to kill President Eisenhower.

    • Replies: @S
    Thanks. That's an excellent copy, too. That makes at least two films Sinatra was in that involved presidential assassination.

    Interesting that this film involves a scoped sniper rival to do the deed, just as in 1962's Manchurian Candidate, whilst historically US presidential assassinations (or attempts) had exclusively involved pistols.

    Oswald used a scoped sniper rifle, which was a first.


    https://silverinahaystack.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/suddenly-1954.png

  144. @S

    ...[the] TV series Route 66 and an episode filmed in October, 1963, but not immediately shown, entitled ‘I’m Here to Kill a King’, which point by point, closely paralleled the actual Kennedy assassination. [For those not aware, ‘the killing of the king’ is a Masonic concept.]
     
    Some elaboration upon 'the killing of the king' concept within Freemasonry linked below. [YouTube has a pristine copy of the aforementioned Route 66 episode for any interested.]

    The first link, while somewhat esoteric, is of interest.

    The second excerpted link is to a masonic site listing thirty-three movies freemasons should watch. Number 26, said by the site to be 'arguably the most important historic film for Freemasonry', was the 2003 movie To Kill a King, whose plot centers upon the spectacle of the public execution of King Charles I of England by beheading.

    To Kill A King – This is arguably the most important historic film for Freemasonry because the framework we recognize as Freemasonry began to emerge during the events of this time. It is set against the backdrop of the English Civil War, which was waged by Parliament, representing the people, against their king, Charles I. Charles lost and was beheaded. Going king-less didn’t end up working out for the British people, but it did set events in motion that would give rise for the English enlightenment and the Scientific Revolution.
     
    To which a lone commenter added:

    To Kill a King (#26) Thank you. Finally, someone else who recognizes that the English Civil War may likely be the most important event in Freemasonry. With Brother Thomas Fairfax being placed as Commander of the Parliamentarian army and many Masons being appointed officers as a result of this, not only was it the first time Freemasonry was permitted to function in the open, but it would likewise be the template that George Washington would recognize, having himself being directly bound to this renown Masonic family which gave him his start. Unfortunately, because of Cromwell’s machinations and the return of the Stuart kings (who preferred Catholicism), no overt public grand lodge would be possible until 1717 when all were certain that it could function openly without political retaliation.
     
    https://www.revisionisthistory.org/kingkill33.html

    https://freemason-wa.org/2016/07/20/33-historical-films-every-freemason-see/

    To Kill A King – This is arguably the most important historic film for Freemasonry because the framework we recognize as Freemasonry began to emerge during the events of this time. It is set against the backdrop of the English Civil War, which was waged by Parliament, representing the people, against their king, Charles I. Charles lost and was beheaded.

    Charles — not Parliament — represented the people.

    • Agree: dfordoom
    • Replies: @S

    Charles — not Parliament — represented the people.
     
    I caught what you are referencing at the Masonic website, too. I'll post here an eyewitness account of the execution.

    At about 2:00 p.m., Charles put his head on the block after saying a prayer and signalled the executioner when he was ready by stretching out his hands; he was then beheaded with one clean stroke. According to observer Philip Henry, a moan "as I never heard before and desire I may never hear again" rose from the assembled crowd, some of whom then dipped their handkerchiefs in the king's blood as a memento.
     
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_I_of_England
  145. @Sean
    Secretary Mellon's 20's cuts had bought the top individual income tax rate down from 73 to 25 % . Despite strong warnings by the top bankers in the country that it invited catastrophe, Hoover did nothing to damp down the over exuberant speculation, and he doubled down on the overheating by further cutting the top tax rate. He only increased taxes at the very end of his presidency in order to balance the books for the program of works he had been dragged onto ordering (years after the depression started). When Roosevelt entered the White House, the top tax rate was not even 63%, and he immediately raised it. By 1937 it was 79 %. and by 1944 it reached 94%. When the Roosevelt presidency ceased the top tax rate was 90% and settled at that that level by the 1960s. It was only cut to 70 % in the 1980's.

    Trump is faced with a national emergency that may continue for more than a year. He has super-rich who are that way because they decided the progressive reduction of tax levels from the historical norm, which was near- confiscatory at the top rate, made the decision to earn the most massive income possible a no-brainer. Trump has plenty of room to increase the top tax rates and corporate taxes too, he must. The question is will he be slowly dragged into doing it by half measures while on the way out and ajudged the worst president since Hoover, or will he in a timely fashion flip into channeling Roosevelt?

    The Roosevelt top marginal tax rate effected only a few people in 1944, you had to have income of $2.6 million, which would be about $30 million in todays dollars. However, despite these high marginal rates, the top 1 percent of taxpayers in the 1950s only paid about 42% of their income in taxes. As a result, the tax burden on high-income households today is about the same as in the 1950s.

    Trump advocated a Billionaire wealth tax in the past. this would be popular with most Americans. If he created a billionaire wealth tax of 2% on those worth more than $25 billion he would raise $25 Billion. This would only apply to the wealthiest 20 Americans, most of whom are democrats. It would be popular among democrats and deplorables.

  146. anon[369] • Disclaimer says:
    @ben tillman
    It's not a matter of philosophies. It's a matter of politics. Fascism originated as organized resistance to Bolshevism. They were/are opposites and opponents.

    Opposite: "having a position on the other or further side of something; facing something, especially something of the same type."

    It’s not a matter of philosophies. It’s a matter of politics. Fascism originated as organized resistance to Bolshevism.

    Sort of. Mussolini was all-in the Socialist International until Italy joined WW 1.0, and his blackshirts were not just fighting with Bolshies. But Benito never really developed a coherent philosophy, he didn’t work that way. He didn’t write anything like ‘Mein Kampf” as far as I know.

    The misuse and abuse of the word “Fascism” has left us with a poorer vocabulary, but oh well.

    They were/are opposites and opponents.

    Yes, opponents. Opposites? Not so much, and as I pointed out before that’s why the Soviets were able to “retrain” the regimes in Eastern Europe and especially East Germany. Because at the lower to medium level there wasn’t / isn’t that much difference. How much ideology did the average Nazi Gauleiter have to know to do his job in 1945? How much did he really have to change in his thinking to be an effective member of the Volks Polezei a couple of years later?

    To the dissident poet getting his front teeth knocked out to teach him a lesson, Bolshevism / Communism and Fascism and Nazism don’t look all that different. If anything the Italian Fascists and the Spanish Falange were not quite as efficiently brutal as the rest. Which isn’t saying much, to be sure.

    Pox on all their houses. All of them. Including the Empire of Japan.

    Why does this matter, anyway? You have some emotional investment in either camp, or what?

  147. @eD
    This is another example of the boomer senility effect.

    Actually Hertzberg is silent generation, but the mechanism is the same. The man is 77. I remember reading his columns in the 1980s (in the New Republic, at the time the New Republic was not only publishing print editions but was still worth reading) and they were pretty sensible. In normal times he would not be commentating except in a blog post or youtube video here or there. The New Yorker would have hired a younger columnist.

    But about fifteen years ago, people stopped retiring, and so this is what you get. Expect more of it throughout the 2020s, and then suddenly it will stop.

    He was born in 1943.

    He was actually mustered out of the Navy in 1969 when it was discovered during dental work that his blood doesn’t clot well. He was due to be court-martialed for refusing orders to report to a desk job in Da Nang, and the blood clotting problem saved the Navy the trouble. Note, one of his product lines as an opinion journalist is attacking other people’s service records, because asshole.

    • Replies: @Uranus
    Note, one of his product lines as an opinion journalist is attacking other people’s service records, because asshole.

    Hey! HEY! Don't insult me like this! The comparison is odious!

  148. @Cortes
    Playing with fire springs to mind after seeing

    “In 1967 he enlisted in the United States Navy and became an officer posted in New York City. By late 1968 due to his growing opposition to the Vietnam War he requested conscientious-objector status, which was denied.[7] He was discharged at the end of his commitment in 1969. From 1969 to 1977 Hertzberg was a staff writer for the New Yorker;[11] Spy magazine characterized him during this period of his career as a "lothario." [12]”

    in Wikipedia.

    He married quite late in life and has just one child. He was a protege of Martin Peretz and remained in the employ of The New Republic for six years even though he disagreed with signature features of the publications editorial line. I think it may have been RM Kaus who said that Peretz social circle had a certain vibe. In the years since, Peretz’ bisexuality has been all but explicit.

    The other person who gained a reputation as a lothario is Leon Wieseltier, which is interesting because he is and long has been (1) unattractive bordering on ugly, (2) obnoxious (to the point where Charles Krauthammer rented an office across the street just to get away from him), and (3) a masher (though Charles Lane said none of the complainers came to him when he was the publication’s editor).

  149. @Art Deco
    He was born in 1943.

    He was actually mustered out of the Navy in 1969 when it was discovered during dental work that his blood doesn't clot well. He was due to be court-martialed for refusing orders to report to a desk job in Da Nang, and the blood clotting problem saved the Navy the trouble. Note, one of his product lines as an opinion journalist is attacking other people's service records, because asshole.

    Note, one of his product lines as an opinion journalist is attacking other people’s service records, because asshole.

    Hey! HEY! Don’t insult me like this! The comparison is odious!

  150. @anon
    I don’t care for empires in general.

    Yet you consistently defend the Empire of Japan.
    What is it about that empire you find so thrilling?

    Yet you consistently defend the Empire of Japan.

    The only Japanese of the 1940’s I’ve ever defended here, or anywhere else, are Japanese-Americans, who, like many Europeans, suffered under a fascist régime elected by their doofus neighbors.

    That you consider them part of the Japanese Empire speaks volumes about you– or is it scrolls? Do you also consider Charles Lindbergh and Jeannette Rankin to have been “anti-Semitic”?

    • Replies: @anon
    The only Japanese of the 1940’s I’ve ever defended here, or anywhere else, are Japanese-Americans, who, like many Europeans, suffered under a fascist régime elected by their doofus neighbors.

    Yeah, no. Not even close. Get some gingko for that memory problem.

    That you consider them part of the Japanese Empire speaks volumes about you– or is it scrolls

    Now you are just making stuff up inside your head and spewing it out. You seem stressed up. What's the matter, frustrated because you can't go to the Yasukuni shrine this year?

    , @Art Deco
    Do you also consider Charles Lindbergh and Jeannette Rankin to have been “anti-Semitic”?

    Lindbergh, yes. Rankin, no.
  151. @anon
    We're going to need to secede and form a separate country. A lot of old boomers here don't want to face that fact, but I have a feeling it's going to be necessary soon. These people are dangerous, and they are getting worse every day. Don't believe me? Visit Trump's twitter account. I did so this morning because I was mad at the guy ... until I opened up the replies and checked some of the blue checkmark accounts. The left is even worse than he is -- crazed, dangerous, lunatics. I want a country where they are banned and removed. Full stop. It's time for peace and quiet. After 2020, there will never be another republican president again and we may never again control congress. It's coming. Get ready.

    Imagine what these people could do with total control of both houses of congress, the executive branch and its myriad law enforcement and spy agencies, the media, the tech industry, and the federal courts -- all in a one party dictatorship due to mass immigration. Sounds like the CCP to me. Or the October Revolution. If if happens and you were warned in advance but did nothing, you are responsible. It's that simple.

    Of course, separation is easier said than done. The right is filled with a lot of paid operatives, grifters, and nutbags. But it's necessary, and it can be done if a few prominent republicans speak out. Unless you have a realistic alternative detractors. Please respond to this comment with a detailed, realistic plan free of platitudes that fixes this situation and prevents what otherwise seems inevitable.

    Don’t see any realistic alternative…

  152. S says:
    @Joe Stalin
    There was Frank Sinatra movie from 1954 where he attempts to kill President Eisenhower.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MBLJcr-dt0

    Thanks. That’s an excellent copy, too. That makes at least two films Sinatra was in that involved presidential assassination.

    Interesting that this film involves a scoped sniper rival to do the deed, just as in 1962’s Manchurian Candidate, whilst historically US presidential assassinations (or attempts) had exclusively involved pistols.

    Oswald used a scoped sniper rifle, which was a first.

  153. S says:
    @ben tillman

    To Kill A King – This is arguably the most important historic film for Freemasonry because the framework we recognize as Freemasonry began to emerge during the events of this time. It is set against the backdrop of the English Civil War, which was waged by Parliament, representing the people, against their king, Charles I. Charles lost and was beheaded.
     
    Charles -- not Parliament -- represented the people.

    Charles — not Parliament — represented the people.

    I caught what you are referencing at the Masonic website, too. I’ll post here an eyewitness account of the execution.

    At about 2:00 p.m., Charles put his head on the block after saying a prayer and signalled the executioner when he was ready by stretching out his hands; he was then beheaded with one clean stroke. According to observer Philip Henry, a moan “as I never heard before and desire I may never hear again” rose from the assembled crowd, some of whom then dipped their handkerchiefs in the king’s blood as a memento.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_I_of_England

  154. anon[709] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Yet you consistently defend the Empire of Japan.
     
    The only Japanese of the 1940's I've ever defended here, or anywhere else, are Japanese-Americans, who, like many Europeans, suffered under a fascist régime elected by their doofus neighbors.

    That you consider them part of the Japanese Empire speaks volumes about you-- or is it scrolls? Do you also consider Charles Lindbergh and Jeannette Rankin to have been "anti-Semitic"?

    The only Japanese of the 1940’s I’ve ever defended here, or anywhere else, are Japanese-Americans, who, like many Europeans, suffered under a fascist régime elected by their doofus neighbors.

    Yeah, no. Not even close. Get some gingko for that memory problem.

    That you consider them part of the Japanese Empire speaks volumes about you– or is it scrolls

    Now you are just making stuff up inside your head and spewing it out. You seem stressed up. What’s the matter, frustrated because you can’t go to the Yasukuni shrine this year?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    You are not a serious commenter. "Anon" rarely is.
  155. @Alden
    Trump, as President and head of the federal government does have total authority over the country and the states.

    And there are hundreds of precedents going back to the 1790s when the president and the federal government asserted authority over the states.

    It’s not unlimited, at least in theory.

  156. @anon
    The only Japanese of the 1940’s I’ve ever defended here, or anywhere else, are Japanese-Americans, who, like many Europeans, suffered under a fascist régime elected by their doofus neighbors.

    Yeah, no. Not even close. Get some gingko for that memory problem.

    That you consider them part of the Japanese Empire speaks volumes about you– or is it scrolls

    Now you are just making stuff up inside your head and spewing it out. You seem stressed up. What's the matter, frustrated because you can't go to the Yasukuni shrine this year?

    You are not a serious commenter. “Anon” rarely is.

    • Replies: @anon
    What is it about the Empire of Japan that is so thrilling to you?
  157. The military is forever, behind the Constitutionalists. Weak guys, bitchy guys, SJW guys, do not apply to Navy, Army, Air Force. Ergo, the leadership of the military will stick to the President of the USA. Trump has fulfilled everything, unlike anyone since Eisenhower, for the military, since 2016. Military is under his complete command. There will never be a coup, anymore – y’all tried that, behind the scenes and all, and y’all sucked at it!

    I hate Democrats, and I wish them misery…I wish their families misery, because that is what they wish for the American people. I never realized how evil Democrats and the media in this country really are; it is sickening. And, whatever, hatred is good…it is what they wish upon the Founding Stock of the USA. Every article that I read in the Atlantic, NYT, WaPo, whatever, is just hate, hate, hate…so, Bring it! I hate you more, I think you are truly evil! not to mention degenerate, sexually deviant, hahhaaaaaa. You are never moral – there are more pedophiles and molesters among your ranks and your financial supporters. You are all degenerates…like all of your ilk that were #MeTooed! hahhahhaha!

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    All Democrats are degenerates...they all are sexual deviants. They all want children to be sexually accessed. They may not want that for their own children, but they are fine with "throwaway" children. These adults need to be quartered and dragged into a river.
  158. @Reg Cæsar
    You are not a serious commenter. "Anon" rarely is.

    What is it about the Empire of Japan that is so thrilling to you?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    You're not even a competent troll.
  159. @Reg Cæsar

    But about fifteen years ago, people stopped retiring
     
    Stopped retiring, or stopped being able to retire?

    Neither. About 6% of the working population is over 65, and they account for about 17% of the people in that age group. The share of old people working was higher 70 years ago, if I’m not mistaken.

  160. @Reg Cæsar

    Yet you consistently defend the Empire of Japan.
     
    The only Japanese of the 1940's I've ever defended here, or anywhere else, are Japanese-Americans, who, like many Europeans, suffered under a fascist régime elected by their doofus neighbors.

    That you consider them part of the Japanese Empire speaks volumes about you-- or is it scrolls? Do you also consider Charles Lindbergh and Jeannette Rankin to have been "anti-Semitic"?

    Do you also consider Charles Lindbergh and Jeannette Rankin to have been “anti-Semitic”?

    Lindbergh, yes. Rankin, no.

  161. @anon
    What is it about the Empire of Japan that is so thrilling to you?

    You’re not even a competent troll.

  162. @fitzhamilton
    The issue is that the general officers and intelligence community are of the technocratic class, and that I bet critical parts of the Air Force (the people flying the drones) skew in favor of the deep state. Informational technology (mass surveillance) would help them identify their enemies, then "infowar" and sharp strategic "shock and awe" targeted attacks would neutralize any opposition. I bet that that is what Mr. Hertzberg is counting would carry the day for his side..

    Any civil war here, now won't look like 1861. There are two salient models that we can refer to - 1936 in Spain, and 1917 in Russia. In both cases the insurgents won the day, taking down the establishment. In this context, Trump is a quasi- Franco esque character, the figurehead of resistance to the elite.. But a deeply flawed one, in that he really doesn't have the skill or ideological coherence of a Franco or Lenin, and certainly doesn't have as coherent a base of support either ..

    I think the recent example of what happened in Turkey a few years ago is another interesting reference point. Erdogan is a populist who is bent on subverting the Ataturkian secularist elite, and taking over the deep state for his own purposes. He's much more clever and machiavellian than Trump, and I think has been far more effective in moving through the Turkish institutions and countering the "deep state" (a phrase coined in Turkey, by the way) than Trump has been here. Part of this is due to the fact that our own populist movement is not as coherent as the Turkish one, and still lacks effective leadership.

    I think it's pretty clear that the CIA was behind the Turkish coup plotters, and it's interesting how badly they failed. All of this is merely to suggest that while the cultural and power differentials are very different here, and the "deep state" and elite seems to hold far more cards in our situation, that they probably ought to be very cautious before pulling the trigger on any open acts of violence.

    What I mean is that the likes of Hendrik Hertzberg probably ought to be very careful for what they wish for. There's no telling what demons might fly from the bottle of wrath if they dared try uncork it.. Things might turn out very differently than he smugly assumes.

    Huwhite men are smart, capable, and inventive. They’re also apathetic and naive. They grow out of that and they can roll the regime up like a rug. Probably without violence.

    Waking them up and getting them off the couch will be the hard part.

  163. @Lagertha
    The military is forever, behind the Constitutionalists. Weak guys, bitchy guys, SJW guys, do not apply to Navy, Army, Air Force. Ergo, the leadership of the military will stick to the President of the USA. Trump has fulfilled everything, unlike anyone since Eisenhower, for the military, since 2016. Military is under his complete command. There will never be a coup, anymore - y'all tried that, behind the scenes and all, and y'all sucked at it!

    I hate Democrats, and I wish them misery...I wish their families misery, because that is what they wish for the American people. I never realized how evil Democrats and the media in this country really are; it is sickening. And, whatever, hatred is good...it is what they wish upon the Founding Stock of the USA. Every article that I read in the Atlantic, NYT, WaPo, whatever, is just hate, hate, hate...so, Bring it! I hate you more, I think you are truly evil! not to mention degenerate, sexually deviant, hahhaaaaaa. You are never moral - there are more pedophiles and molesters among your ranks and your financial supporters. You are all degenerates...like all of your ilk that were #MeTooed! hahhahhaha!

    All Democrats are degenerates…they all are sexual deviants. They all want children to be sexually accessed. They may not want that for their own children, but they are fine with “throwaway” children. These adults need to be quartered and dragged into a river.

  164. @Old and Grumpy
    Does Trump even have a clue how weak Ivanka and Jared make him look? He can't do anything without his vampire twin handlers. Now if only the MAGA people could get a clue that if its tweeted ...it ain't happening. Sadly too many of them just want end times and rapture.

    ‘Does Trump even have a clue how weak Ivanka and Jared make him look? He can’t do anything without his vampire twin handlers.’

    You’re assuming he has a choice in the matter. Let’s engage in some unsubstantiated but plausible speculation.

    1. In a lifetime of not unduly scrupulous business dealings, Trump has committed a few sins that might not be likely to come to the attention of the authorities if he had remained a businessman — but would spell the end if they came out now that he’s president.

    2. Other movers and shakers in the New York City business world know the details of these transgressions. There’s nothing too unlikely about all this; it’s just life.

    3. 40% of America’s billionaires are Jewish, and 95% of Jews are more or less Zionists. What would the percentages be for New York City?

    So — granting all the above, which is hardly beyond the realm of the possible — Zionists have Trump by the short and curlies.

    All he can do when they say ‘jump,’ is ‘how high?’ He has to do as his handlers instruct.

    …just speculation, as I said.

    • Agree: Wielgus
  165. @Reg Cæsar

    But about fifteen years ago, people stopped retiring
     
    Stopped retiring, or stopped being able to retire?

    Reg, 2 sides of that. Some (a great many) are unable to retire. No pension, too many cash-out re-fis, too many grandchildren with addict parents. On the other hand are the easy-workers who are in great guaranteed money jobs, not at all physically demanding, and all supported by their social group or union. Why retire? Great money, no work to speak of? The old lady is 80, your willie ain’t woke, so no play there either. Why not take the money as long as they are shoveling it out? A lot more fun that Wheel of Fortune and Hallmark movies all day, no? These folk will never quit. They will die, though. Coronavirus® cocktail, anyone??? ha ha!!

Comments are closed.

Subscribe to All Steve Sailer Comments via RSS
PastClassics
Talk TV sensationalists and axe-grinding ideologues have fallen for a myth of immigrant lawlessness.
The unspoken statistical reality of urban crime over the last quarter century.
Which superpower is more threatened by its “extractive elites”?
How a Young Syndicate Lawyer from Chicago Earned a Fortune Looting the Property of the Japanese-Americans, then Lived...
Becker update V1.3.2