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From Yahoo News:

UN agency denounces ‘homophobic and racist stereotypes’ in monkeypox reporting

Monique Beals
Sun, May 22, 2022, 1:36 PM·2 min read

UNAIDS released a statement on Sunday condemning reporting on monkeypox that includes “portrayals of LGBTI and African people” that the agency said “reinforce homophobic and racist stereotypes and exacerbate stigma.”

“Lessons from the AIDS response show that stigma and blame directed at certain groups of people can rapidly undermine outbreak response,” the group’s statement said.

The U.N. agency added that a “significant portion” of cases reported thus far were “identified among gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men, with some cases identified through sexual health clinics.”

It urged “media, governments, and communities to respond with a rights-based, evidence-based approach that avoids stigma.”

“Stigma and blame undermine trust and capacity to respond effectively during outbreaks like this one,” UNAIDS Deputy Executive Director Matthew Kavanagh said in the agency’s Sunday statement.

“Experience shows that stigmatizing rhetoric can quickly disable evidence-based response by stoking cycles of fear, driving people away from health services, impeding efforts to identify cases, and encouraging ineffective, punitive measures,” Kavanagh added. “We appreciate the LGBTI community for having led the way on raising awareness – and we reiterate that this disease can affect anyone.”

Unlike HIV, which was spread largely by:

  • Blood transfusions with infected blood, a problem that was solved relatively quickly
  • Heroin junkies sharing needles without cleaning them
  • Gay men sodomizing each other on a mass scale

Monkeypox, like covid, appears to be spread mostly be socializing.

But, gays do that more than just about anybody. Thus, the big superspreader event of last summer’s covid Delta wave was Bear Week in Provincetown.

Monkeypox is a type of orthopoxvirus and is related to smallpox but is usually less severe. It is typically detected in Africa, but recently, cases have been detected in the U.S. and Europe.

Shutting down schools for semesters and forcing children to wear masks is Following the Science, but asking gays to turn it down a notch until we figure out why they are spreading monkeypox would be The Worst Thing Ever.

Some people’s fun, such as children’s, is just less important that other people’s fun, like gays.

 
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  1. I am still wondering what those stigmatizing portrayals were. Did someone say that gay Black African men have sexual relations with monkeys? Is that a stereotype? If so, maybe it should be condemned.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Roger


    If so, maybe it should be condemned.
     
    Or, people could just tell them that they're wrong about it. (Wait, they don't, right?)

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    , @Bardon Kaldlan
    @Roger

    It gets lonely on those long sultry nights on the savannah...

  2. UN agency denounces ‘homophobic and racist stereotypes’ in monkeypox reporting

    Monique Beals

    No, it’s not pronounced “monkey balls”. Shame on you cads.

  3. Telling a gay guy to turn it down a notch could cost you \$10 million.

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/officer-told-tone-gayness-settles-suit-1025m-68906297

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Harry Baldwin


    Belmar promoted Wildhaber to lieutenant in December, placing him in command of a new diversity and inclusion unit.
     
    They're all about diversity of practices and inclusion of partners and parts! Equity? How is the theater scene in St Louis?

    Page said Monday that Belmar’s retirement was not a condition of the settlement. He said Belmar had confided in him much earlier that he planned to retire this year...

     

    $10m should pay for yearly, perhaps monthly, vacations on Mykonos. Where they separate the men from the boys-- with a crowbar.

    St. Louis County has agreed to a $10.25 million settlement...


    The jury foreman in the case had told reporters after the trial it wanted a big verdict “to send a message.”
     

    Wikipedia: The racial makeup of the county was 68.3% White (66.9% Non-Hispanic White), 35.3% African American, 0.2% Native American, 3.5% Asian (1.1% Asian Indian, 1.0% Chinese, 0.3% Filipino, 0.3% Korean, 0.3% Vietnamese, 0.1% Japanese, 0.4% Other), 0.03% Pacific Islander, 0.9% from other races, and 1.9% from two or more races and 2.5% Hispanic or Latino (1.5% Mexican, 0.2% Puerto Rican, 0.1% Cuban, 0.8% Other).

    The County does not include the City. Wikipedia is strangely silent about the demographic profile of the latter, but DataUSA informs us:


    The 5 largest ethnic groups in St. Louis city, MO are Black or African American (Non-Hispanic) (44.9%), White (Non-Hispanic) (44.5%), Asian (Non-Hispanic) (3.44%), Two+ (Non-Hispanic) (2.54%), and White (Hispanic) (2.33%).

    How a jury in a blacker jurisdiction would have ruled is an open question; the church ladies that would dominate the pool (clean police records) are notably chilly toward white sodomites, but blacks can be quite open to considering discrimination complaints, too.

    Also, a huge portion of the white population is Bosniak, most of which are Moslem. How that breaks down between City and County I don't know. But I doubt the mosques fly rainbow flags.


    In 2014, a Bosniak-American named Zamir Begic was beaten to death with hammers. The murder caused shock in the Bosnian community of St. Louis and protests were held against violent crime. Because Begic was white and his suspected assailants were Black and Latino... St. Louis police did not believe the attack had any ethnic or racial basis.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Bosnian_Americans_in_St._Louis#History

     

    Like my artful use of the ellipsis there? Feel free to edit Wikipedia the same way yourself.

    Zamir Begic = A big crime. Z(zzzzz...)

  4. Steve, as much as you love fag-bashing, didn’t this latest innovation arrive on a flight to London from Nairobi? Was it a gay Nigerian? I remember a couple of those from last year. Jussie spent all of six days in prison due to their treachery.

    Monkeypox is a type of orthopoxvirus and is related to smallpox but is usually less severe.

    Oh what a relief.

    • Replies: @Hangnail Hans
    @Hangnail Hans

    Aww crap, I meant Lagos!

    , @Anon
    @Hangnail Hans

    Reposting this from Whitney’s column:
    Disproportionate? Well, 100% would be disproportionate.

    https://www.elperiodico.com/es/sanidad/20220518/viruela-mono-sanidad-alerta-espana-13672421

    “ La Directora General de Salud Pública de la Comunidad de Madrid, Elena Andradas, ha declarado a la Cadena Ser que “no hay ninguna mujer, son todo hombres jóvenes”.”

    .. the Community of Madrid’s General Director for Health has declared to Ser (Tv chain) that “there are no women, it’s all young men.”

    Several Saunas, including “legendary” Paraíso Sauna in Madrid have been closed, “to save Pride celebrations”

    https://okdiario.com/espana/sauna-foco-infeccion-viruela-del-mono-confirma-cierre-no-poner-peligro-orgullo-9109530

    Belgium’s cluster was linked to gay Darklands festival.

    So, people travel to foreign countries to have fun, then travel back home. I forget which Spanish health authority also mentioned that it’s not just sex, but how many partners. Spain has, unfortunately, been home to half the cases in Europe.

    Also, the remedy for this otherwise benign strain is doxycycline. From 2018, a paper that states this guy went to Nigeria, handled rat corpses with his hands and a week later pustules appeared in his penis. Go figure.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6478227/

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    , @Hannah Katz
    @Hangnail Hans

    But it is easy to avoid. Just refuse to have intimate contact with gays or blacks. Responding for a friend. Is she allowed to say the obvious?

  5. Reminder that Steve supported the COVID panic and is now trying to gaslight his audience into thinking that he’s against forcing children to wear masks to “Follow the Science”.

    • Agree: Mike Tre, AndrewR
    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    @Frank G

    Yes, pretty shameless of him.

    It's going to be very interesting watching the public reaction to monkeypox. Unlike the Covid non-pandemic, which was about 99% political and only 1% viral, monkeypox is the real deal: A disease that is serious enough to be worth worrying about, but for which tried-and-true public health measures such as vaccination and quarantine would actually be effective at mitigating.

    And this is coming at a time when every national and international medical authority and/or governing body has squandered its respectability by propounding absolutely worthless but brutally oppressive measures against an unremarkable coronavirus.

    It wouldn't surprise me in the least if the public mood could be best summed up by a collective willingness to tell the medical establishment to go pound sand, as if to say, "We'd rather put up with monkeypox than listen to you shitheads any longer, thank you very much."

    That would be an unfortunate but entirely understandable reaction to the Covid tyranny, and it's a tragic lesson as to why you never let self-absorbed medical men take over the corridors of power. "A surgeon when he reigneth" is confusion to the end.

    , @pyrrhus
    @Frank G

    Now covidiots can be replaced by poxidiots...but who will be the Karens?

  6. Experts in PC-speak (@isteve?, Babylonbee) could come up with racist stereotyping attacks before the fact.

    If monkeypox stressed WHITE people, then it could, rightfully, be assailed as Eurocentric and ignoring people of color.

    Sadly, by ignoring scientific “stereotypes”, diseases, and deaths increase.

    Better dead than “racist” stereotypes

  7. If by “socializing”, you mean massive gay orgies, then yeah, I guess that monkey pox is spread by socializing.

    I’m sure that credible public health authorities ordering everyone to lock themselves down for two weeks to slow the spread will be met with calm, resigned submission, especially if it becomes known that we’re doing this because the alphabet people can’t keep it in their pants.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @aNewBanner

    the alphabet people can’t keep it in their pants.

    Of the alphabet people, it's probably the Gs that account for 85% of the problem, the Bs maybe 10% and the Ls, Ts, Qs, etc, the rest. Those last groups don't actually have sex much from what I've heard.

  8. Shutting down schools

    Given all the Groomer teachers that’s exactly what is needed now.

  9. UN Agency Denounces ‘homophobic and Racist Stereotypes’ in Monkeypox Reporting

    Maybe they should be denouncing homosexuals for perpetuating “homophobic” stereotypes by – you know – spreading weird diseases.

    • Thanks: Old Prude
  10. “Lessons from the AIDS response show that stigma and blame directed at certain groups of people can rapidly undermine outbreak response,” the group’s statement said.

    The polar opposite of what happened.

    What happened was that since homosexuals were a minority and hence virtuous, the public health authorities would not do the normal, obvious public health measures, like shutting down their sodomy palaces, doing partner tracking (very difficult with homosexuals) and quarantining the infected.

    You really, really have to “work” to spread HIV, so this was relatively straightforward to crush, but only with hard measures.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @AnotherDad

    doing partner tracking (very difficult with homosexuals)

    Pretty much impossible, which is why it was abandoned early on. The initial wave of ailing men had three-digit partner counts and a history of large quanta of anonymous encounters. The other problem was that the lapse of time between seroconversion and the appearance of opportunistic infections is long. It was eventually calculated at a median of 11 years.



    and quarantining the infected.

    Put 1 million people in camps for the rest of their lives? Sounds like a plan.


    The foot dragging about shutting down the bathhouses actually was a case of liberal politicians and officialdom catering to one of their mascot groups, and offering sophistries as explanations. Public health as a field has been an embarrassment for a long time.


    What was interesting about the response to that catering is that when Mayor Koch died in 2013, some ActUp types danced on his grave, blaming him for the catastrophe (as they had done for decades; Ronald Reagan was another scapegoat). Municipal governments do not have the infrastructure to do medical research, then or now, but never mind. Oh, and Koch told the gay lobby ca. 1985 that there were competing claimants for public resources and he wasn't writing any blank checks for their projects. That's no way to treat Special People.

    Replies: @JR Ewing, @Reg Cæsar, @mike99588

  11. O/T

    This may not have made it to the west coast yet, but Josh Donaldson of the New York Yankees has gotten himself into some trouble this weekend by sarcastically referring to Tim Anderson of the Chicago White Sox as “Jackie” as in Robinson. Even Donaldson’s manager Aaron Boone has thrown him under the bus. MLB will be investigating this situation this week.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @ScarletNumber

    This context will definitely get buried:

    "Donaldson confirmed he did call Anderson "Jackie" in the first inning, but said he was referencing a 2019 Sports Illustrated article in which Anderson referred to himself as "today's Jackie Robinson." Donaldson and Anderson had previously joked about the interview, he said."


    Nothing inherently racist about teasing a guy for calling himself "today's Jackie Robinson." My guess is Tim Anderson is an opportunistic, disingenuous piece of shit. I assume Donaldson will be suspended indefinitely.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

  12. There’s apparently a legendary “AIDS thread” on another right-wing discussion forum that frequently gets referenced on Twitter….

    As best as I can tell, for many young right-wingers, reading this thread was a major turning point in learning that The Narrative is built on lies. I think the thread has a lot of details about Gay Culture that are normally censored by The Narrative.

    • Replies: @thomasblair
    @BenjaminL

    would you be so kind as to share it?

    Replies: @Dream

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @BenjaminL

    Do tell...

    Replies: @Cutter

    , @Big Sexy
    @BenjaminL

    Could you drop a link to this?

    , @Almost Missouri
    @BenjaminL


    for many young right-wingers, reading this thread was a major turning point in learning that The Narrative is built on lies. I think the thread has a lot of details about Gay Culture that are normally censored by The Narrative.
     
    There's also that documentary about gays deliberately spreading HIV:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oN4w8e432_o

    From the description:


    As many men in the community become condom weary, and some even consciously desire HIV infection, disturbing new trends of risky behavior have pushed the rate of new infections back into a rapid rise, all to the mantra of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell."
    Using Internet sites for promotion and connection, a community of barebackers (those who have sex without a condom) is flourishing. This includes bug chasers who host conversion parties where men actively seek the gift of HIV infection.
    Doug, a central character of the film, is a bright, articulate young man who moved from the Midwest to San Francisco in search of a gay community. He became a bug chaser and actively sought the gift of HIV infection. When Doug became infected with the virus, he felt a sense of belonging to a community. He is now dealing with the unexpected severity of his illness.
    Also featured in the documentary is noted psychoanalyst and community activist Walt Odets, MD, author of In the Shadow of the Epidemic. Dr.Odets examines the loss, grief and anxiety experienced by HIV negative men living with the AIDS epidemic, and he speaks out about why prevention has failed and what needs to be done.
     
    , @AnotherDad
    @BenjaminL


    As best as I can tell, for many young right-wingers, reading this thread was a major turning point in learning that The Narrative is built on lies.
     
    I can't speak for young right-wingers. But I can tell you that watching this unfold in the early 80s, was both extremely annoying and enlightening about the scale of lying and blame shifting the media would do.
    I was a physics guy, not bio guy. But the b.s. the media spouted was just obvious nonsense from basic logic and back of the envelope math.

    I had not yet clarified my concept of "minoritarianism" back then, but I did recognize the core dynamic that minority misbehavior was being excused and could not be dealt with precisely because they were a minority hence "the good guys". And, of course, the tedious moral preening from good thinkers. Everything you see now--was there then with homos and AIDS. And suffice it to say, my reaction to that toxic nonsense was very visceral--and much the same as you see from me now.

  13. Okay Steve (Boomer)..

    Let’s get our boomer panties in a bunch about “monkeypox”. Just like you got your panties twisted in the 80’s about GAY ANAL DISEASE (aka AIDS).

    You are the SINGULAR WORST thing to EVER happen to our tribe (and probably our species). NOTHING has been more harmful and destructive than the BOOMER.

    Twenty years ago Steve, you had some objectivity and honesty. Today, you are a contemptible Boomer shill.

    Get Vaxxed says you and Unz. Take experimental gene therapy for a COLD VIRUS! (I hold YOU in exceptional CONTEMPT as a fellow cancer survivor – YOU, far more than most SHOULD have known). Trust the Government and Big Pharma, say you and Ronnie..

    Fuck off Boomer.

    Censor me. And go fuck your Boomer self. I sincerely hope that your children enjoy the fruits of YOUR behaviors!

    • Disagree: MEH 0910
    • Troll: IHTG
    • Replies: @Henry's Cat
    @Stan d Mute

    The Covid deniers/sceptics are going to become as indisidious as the 9/11 truthers were two decades ago.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Stan d Mute

    I've learned some amazing things on this blog. For instance, that boomers like Lyndon Johnson were responsible for the '64 "Civil Rights" Act and 1965 Immigration Act. Or that boomers like Alan Simpsom, Ramano Mazzoli and Ronald Reagan were responsible for the '86 Amnesty--and ergo subsequent Hispanic population explosion.

    People in every generation screw some things up. And perhaps have even some vague statistical "profile" relative to other generations before and after.

    But if--out of all the categories available!--your analysis of the cause of our political problems is generational ... you should be sent to bedroom without supper so you can pout there until you grow up.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    , @BB753
    @Stan d Mute

    Nobody's perfect. Steve has his boomer biases and blind spots, like every generation that's ever lived. Sure, he failed to see the COVID scam. That's a mistake. But it's worse that he's still blind to the WHO and UN shenanigans, as right now they're debating our future slavery under the NWO in Geneva.

    "Members of the World Health Organization (WHO) are days away from voting on an international pandemic treaty and amendments to the International Health Regulations (2005) which would give the unelected WHO greater control of national emergency healthcare decisions and new powers to push vaccine passports, global surveillance, and “global coordinated actions” that address “misinformation” whenever it declares a “health emergency.”"


    https://reclaimthenet.org/world-health-organization-pandemic-treaty-a-fresh-push-for-vaccine-passports-global-surveillance-and-more/

    , @International Jew
    @Stan d Mute


    Censor me.
     
    Censoring would have been doing you a favor.
  14. Some people’s fun, such as children’s, is just less important that other people’s fun, like gays….

    I didn’t fall for it last time, and I’m not falling for it this time.

    BTW, it was about 2 years and 2 months ago when I was seeing some of your posts showing tweets with the Kung Flu head panickers telling us how we were to talk about the virus. I put 2 tweet screenshots below – probably taken off your blog, Steve:

    [MORE]

    • Thanks: HammerJack
    • Replies: @Alden
    @Achmed E. Newman

    March of 2020 I knew covid was a falsehood. Why? Because the NYCTimes said it was a deadly epidemic.

    In July, when I went back to Los Angeles, my managers corroborated what they’d been emailing us all along.

    My m, our , buildings are located in an area where medicine is a major industry. 3 major hospital and medical centers. 7 smaller hospitals hundreds of nursing home/rehab centers and thousands of medical offices surgery centers X-ray clinics on and on.

    About a third of the tenants, maybe 40 work in hospitals. And everyone of them had their 8 or 12 hours a day, 4 or 5 days a week cut to 4 hours a day or 3 days a week.

    I got rid of the TV years ago and of course don’t read newspapers. But the internet news screamed hospitals overcrowded, patients beds set up in garages nurses, exhausted working 18 hours a day for weeks.

    And yet I saw the reality nurses cooks kitchen workers pharmacy clerks central supply janitors billing workers all these people at home, hours cut drastically, but not laid off do they could get on unemployment with the extra covid supplemental.

    WLA medical community isn’t just a small sample either. It’s one of the biggest concentrations of hospitals and medical care in the country. Maybe 9 square miles from the airport to Sunset Beverly Hills to the Ocean.

    And of course all the laid off hospital workers knew laid off hospital workers from all over Los Angeles, second largest city in the USA.

    So I knew for sure the local news lied about the fake news about hospitals and med centers overwhelmed where I lived, Why should I not believe the news reports all over the country weren’t lying as well?

    I’m old enough to remember the 1980s lies about how AIDS would spread to the heterosexual community and we’d all dieeeee.
    Since I took college anatomy, I knew why it’s so easy to get disease and absorb medicine through the rectum and not through the vagina.

    The media may have told the truth before school desegregation, civil rights movement and the vast increase in black crime. Maybe.

    , @Adam Smith
    @Achmed E. Newman

    https://i.ibb.co/mXSsMmc/monkeypox.png

  15. “We want to thank gay males for making the world aware of AIDS.”

    It’s true; they are so giving.

  16. @Roger
    I am still wondering what those stigmatizing portrayals were. Did someone say that gay Black African men have sexual relations with monkeys? Is that a stereotype? If so, maybe it should be condemned.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Bardon Kaldlan

    If so, maybe it should be condemned.

    Or, people could just tell them that they’re wrong about it. (Wait, they don’t, right?)

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @Achmed E. Newman


    Or, people could just tell them that they’re wrong about it. (Wait, they don’t, right?)
     
    Heh, but who knows? In truth the name is a mistake, its animal reservoir(s) are thought to be small rodents. But we can use the "monkey" to stigmatize the disease all we want.

    Replies: @nokangaroos

  17. The outbreaks in Belgium and Spain were traced to just one gay friendly sauna in each country. Seems Spain and Belgium the only countries honest enough to report its another gay sex disease. Even back in the 1950s 60s gay men had the highest rate of sex diseases.

  18. @Frank G
    Reminder that Steve supported the COVID panic and is now trying to gaslight his audience into thinking that he's against forcing children to wear masks to "Follow the Science".

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @pyrrhus

    Yes, pretty shameless of him.

    It’s going to be very interesting watching the public reaction to monkeypox. Unlike the Covid non-pandemic, which was about 99% political and only 1% viral, monkeypox is the real deal: A disease that is serious enough to be worth worrying about, but for which tried-and-true public health measures such as vaccination and quarantine would actually be effective at mitigating.

    And this is coming at a time when every national and international medical authority and/or governing body has squandered its respectability by propounding absolutely worthless but brutally oppressive measures against an unremarkable coronavirus.

    It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if the public mood could be best summed up by a collective willingness to tell the medical establishment to go pound sand, as if to say, “We’d rather put up with monkeypox than listen to you shitheads any longer, thank you very much.”

    That would be an unfortunate but entirely understandable reaction to the Covid tyranny, and it’s a tragic lesson as to why you never let self-absorbed medical men take over the corridors of power. “A surgeon when he reigneth” is confusion to the end.

  19. anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    Reuters has made it clear in their articles that the Spanish outbreak of 30 cases has been traced back to a “sauna,” a gay bath house.

    https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/spain-reports-14-new-confirmed-monkeypox-cases-total-21-2022-05-20/

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @anonymous

    Pretty much everything I read at the least mentions in passing it's mostly being transmitted by "gay" or "gay and bisexual" men. The Belgiums are saying all four of their cases came from "the international gay fetish festival Darklands, which was held in early May in Antwerp" (RT quoting someone from there). "Gay sex networks" are also words of art I've seen used.

    Of course the bigger this gets the more the usual suspects will try to give the disease itself civil rights like they did with AIDS, but I wonder how well that'll work given how overt the symptom of poxes on the skin are, and that it's an acute, up to ten days incubation and then resolves in a few weeks disease. HIV has a acute phase like a lot of mild viral diseases, it's the chronic attack on the immune system and thus it not getting zapped by it that gives it the sinister characteristics.

    For better or worse this is also probably from Nigeria and thus it's turned out to be in the West African (WA) clade which has a <1% fatality rate. This is also the first time this clade has been observed to transmit between humans; contra our host's impression, that's thought to be pretty hard. Haven't been following it closely but the one set of cases I noticed were from the same household were of two gay men.

  20. “Stigma and blame undermine trust and capacity to respond effectively during outbreaks like this one,” UNAIDS Deputy Executive Director Matthew Kavanagh said in the agency’s Sunday statement.

    “Also, the filthy unvaxxed should be driven from their jobs and hounded out of polite society,” he added. “Those deplorable Trump supporters had it coming.”

    I think I’ll stick with the stigma and blame. My generosity of spirit was depleted after Week 87 of Two Weeks to Stop The Spread.

    Exile to North Korea is too nice a fate for the Public Health Establishment.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman, J.Ross
  21. >the name of the agency is literally AIDS
    BWAAAHAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAAAHA
    ——
    Another mass shooting! I’m sure the newsmedia will get right on the hype machine with this information!

    Five lives lost in Caimito massacre

    Five people have died in a shooting reported at 7:55pm this evening at the Villa Esperanza housing complex in Caimito.

    The bodies of the five victims were found together between electrical utility boxes, upon which they had apparently been sitting.

    This is the second massacre reported in Puerto Rico this year. The first massacre took place on May 12th at the ‘La Loma del Tamarindo’ store in Guaynabo, in which gunmen killed three people…

    With this massacre, the number of murders this weekend has risen to 10, along with 235 so far this year. This is one more than had been recorded during the same period in 2021.

    https://www.elvocero.com/noticia_rotary/article_4f69501e-da2e-11ec-80f1-23cf9e4ad083.html

    I don’t remember hearing about the first one, do you?

  22. Pixo says:

    Patient zero arrived in London on May 4. The count on May 21, 17 days later, is 109 confirmed and another 89 suspected.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_monkeypox_outbreak

    There was also a Midwest outbreak caused by importing a variety of pet rodents from Africa, which then infected a pen of prairie dogs, which then infected 71 people who thought having a pet prairie dog was a good idea.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Midwest_monkeypox_outbreak

    I have a dream, that some day we stop importing inappropriate pets and migrants from Africa.

    Monkeypox, AIDS, Ilhan Omar, Ebola, NO THANKS.

  23. @BenjaminL
    There's apparently a legendary "AIDS thread" on another right-wing discussion forum that frequently gets referenced on Twitter....

    As best as I can tell, for many young right-wingers, reading this thread was a major turning point in learning that The Narrative is built on lies. I think the thread has a lot of details about Gay Culture that are normally censored by The Narrative.

    Replies: @thomasblair, @Chrisnonymous, @Big Sexy, @Almost Missouri, @AnotherDad

    would you be so kind as to share it?

    • Replies: @Dream
    @thomasblair

    I think its this one.
    https://archive.amarna-forum.net/salo/salo/003167_patient-zero-and-the-early-days-of-hiv-aids_p001_o.html

  24. @ScarletNumber
    O/T

    This may not have made it to the west coast yet, but Josh Donaldson of the New York Yankees has gotten himself into some trouble this weekend by sarcastically referring to Tim Anderson of the Chicago White Sox as "Jackie" as in Robinson. Even Donaldson's manager Aaron Boone has thrown him under the bus. MLB will be investigating this situation this week.

    Replies: @JimDandy

    This context will definitely get buried:

    “Donaldson confirmed he did call Anderson “Jackie” in the first inning, but said he was referencing a 2019 Sports Illustrated article in which Anderson referred to himself as “today’s Jackie Robinson.” Donaldson and Anderson had previously joked about the interview, he said.”

    Nothing inherently racist about teasing a guy for calling himself “today’s Jackie Robinson.” My guess is Tim Anderson is an opportunistic, disingenuous piece of shit. I assume Donaldson will be suspended indefinitely.

    • Thanks: Mike Tre
    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @JimDandy


    I assume Donaldson will be suspended indefinitely
     
    Such pessimism. One game plus an undisclosed fine. Donaldson is appealing. In other off-topic news, former Ohio State and Washington Redskin quarterback Dwayne Haskins was killed when he was walking along the highway last month. His toxicology report came back today and his BAC was 0.20% plus ketamine in his system. The Redskins thought so highly of him when they drafted him that they let him wear 7, which was unofficially retired for Joe Theismann.

    Replies: @JimDandy

  25. Defund the UN immediately.

  26. While most of the men who have contracted the monkeypox in the U.S.and Europe are gay homosexuals who often enjoy casual sodomy with other promiscuous men, that doesn’t necessarily mean that gay men are filthy disease vectors. There is no conclusive evidence that the latest outbreak is being sexually transmitted, rather than simply being passed between men who enjoy having sex with other men within their sexual networks, LGBTTQQIAAPP+ experts say.

    • Thanks: Alden, Achmed E. Newman
    • LOL: 3g4me
    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @Adam Smith

    https://twitter.com/LionBlogosphere/status/1528012181656174592


    Typically, monkeypox rashes tend to break out on the face, palms of the hands, and bottoms of the feet. But Swedish health authorities said on Thursday that "in European cases, the skin problems have often been reported to be localized to the genitals, groin, and the skin around the anal opening."
     

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose

    , @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @Adam Smith

    You don't have to be a gay man to get monkeypox- but it helps!

  27. @Achmed E. Newman

    Some people’s fun, such as children’s, is just less important that other people’s fun, like gays....
     
    I didn't fall for it last time, and I'm not falling for it this time.

    BTW, it was about 2 years and 2 months ago when I was seeing some of your posts showing tweets with the Kung Flu head panickers telling us how we were to talk about the virus. I put 2 tweet screenshots below - probably taken off your blog, Steve:
    https://www.peakstupidity.com/images/post_1363A.jpg

    https://www.peakstupidity.com/images/post_1367A.jpg

    Replies: @Alden, @Adam Smith

    March of 2020 I knew covid was a falsehood. Why? Because the NYCTimes said it was a deadly epidemic.

    In July, when I went back to Los Angeles, my managers corroborated what they’d been emailing us all along.

    My m, our , buildings are located in an area where medicine is a major industry. 3 major hospital and medical centers. 7 smaller hospitals hundreds of nursing home/rehab centers and thousands of medical offices surgery centers X-ray clinics on and on.

    About a third of the tenants, maybe 40 work in hospitals. And everyone of them had their 8 or 12 hours a day, 4 or 5 days a week cut to 4 hours a day or 3 days a week.

    I got rid of the TV years ago and of course don’t read newspapers. But the internet news screamed hospitals overcrowded, patients beds set up in garages nurses, exhausted working 18 hours a day for weeks.

    And yet I saw the reality nurses cooks kitchen workers pharmacy clerks central supply janitors billing workers all these people at home, hours cut drastically, but not laid off do they could get on unemployment with the extra covid supplemental.

    WLA medical community isn’t just a small sample either. It’s one of the biggest concentrations of hospitals and medical care in the country. Maybe 9 square miles from the airport to Sunset Beverly Hills to the Ocean.

    And of course all the laid off hospital workers knew laid off hospital workers from all over Los Angeles, second largest city in the USA.

    So I knew for sure the local news lied about the fake news about hospitals and med centers overwhelmed where I lived, Why should I not believe the news reports all over the country weren’t lying as well?

    I’m old enough to remember the 1980s lies about how AIDS would spread to the heterosexual community and we’d all dieeeee.
    Since I took college anatomy, I knew why it’s so easy to get disease and absorb medicine through the rectum and not through the vagina.

    The media may have told the truth before school desegregation, civil rights movement and the vast increase in black crime. Maybe.

  28. @BenjaminL
    There's apparently a legendary "AIDS thread" on another right-wing discussion forum that frequently gets referenced on Twitter....

    As best as I can tell, for many young right-wingers, reading this thread was a major turning point in learning that The Narrative is built on lies. I think the thread has a lot of details about Gay Culture that are normally censored by The Narrative.

    Replies: @thomasblair, @Chrisnonymous, @Big Sexy, @Almost Missouri, @AnotherDad

    Do tell…

    • Replies: @Cutter
    @Chrisnonymous

    In PDF form. Don't eat before you read it.

    https://archive.amarna-forum.net/patient_zero.pdf

  29. Anon[344] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    Apparently, there is black-white wealth inequity because:

    1. Redlining

    2. Beach property owned by blacks generations ago was taken with eminent domain

    3. And so on

    Reparations in various forms will fix this.

    That’s the story.

    News item:

    Celebrity-endorsed NFTs leave some investors ‘financially crippled’
    https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/celebrity-endorsed-nfts-leave-investors-financially-crippled-rcna27705

    1. Floyd Mayweather started touting the “Bored Bunny NFT” on Twitter, accompanied by a photo of himself dressed in a Louis Vuitton vest with a diamond bracelet, a necklace and a gold watch

    2. Miami property manager “Tyler” was “looking for investment opportunities”

    3. Tyler “put together \$12,000,” part of which he talked his mother into contributing, to buy a bunny digital NFT file

    4. Note: Tyler, who is 35, didn’t even have a spare \$12,000, but he was “looking for investment opportunities”; Tyler thinks that people with, say, no more than \$6,000 in the bank should be “investing” rather than worrying about how far \$6,000 is going to go if he loses his job

    5. Turns out, there is no market for bunny NFTs, and now Tyler is “financially crippled,” and blames Mayweather

    (Image of NFT used without permission of the NFT “owner”)

    • LOL: Cortes
    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @Anon

    https://twitter.com/SethGreen/status/1526588358859759617
    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/sarahemerson/seth-green-bored-ape-stolen-tv-show
    https://twitter.com/SethGreen/status/1529191356660215808


    Actor and producer Seth Green was robbed of several NFTs this month after succumbing to a phishing scam that inadvertently threw a monkey wrench into the plan for his new animated series. The forthcoming show was developed from characters in Green’s expansive NFT collection, but in light of the recent hack, the project’s blatant crypto optimism has become a tragically ironic reminder of the industry’s shadier side.
     

    Replies: @MEH 0910, @MEH 0910

  30. They are caught in a bind because they want to reduce public concern and anxiety with the knowledge that they aren’t at very much risk and they also really need gay men to know they are seemingly at non-trivial risk and to know what the symptoms are to stop the spread. This is even more critical since the type of gay men most at risk get STDs so regularly they might assume it is one and go to a clinic and pose a serious risk of infecting others. As has already happened in London where the clinics there are now refusing walk-ins and asking people to serious consider if their symptoms are consistent with monkeypox.

    So, as a consequence they have to make clear that this is a disease being spread around in gay men. The other thing to note is that children are the most at risk in terms of severe symptoms and death. So far there is one child in ICU but no deaths. And people really don’t like diseases being spread that hurt children the most.

    It’s fascinating to see some supposed medics and scientists getting mad at this though.

    And journalists getting annoyed at some of the stock case pictures used to show severe cases, particularly in children being black people, almost like almost every case prior to a few days ago being in West and Central Africa could do that…

    Having said that, the wider community and children are still at risk as this becomes endemic in gay men. All it takes is one person with a sore on their palm to run their hand down a hand rail at a big subway and you could infect a lot of people. And a child infected could easily spread it to their peers at school. Authorities know if there is an outbreak at a school this is going to be really bad PR, (Particularly if a child dies) not just for them but for the gay community. Better to have a bit of bad PR now to stop some really bad PR later I’d say.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @Altai


    And journalists getting annoyed at some of the stock case pictures used to show severe cases, particularly in children being black people, almost like almost every case prior to a few days ago being in West and Central Africa could do that…
     
    Checkmate racist! Even Britain's august Daily Mail is running this graphic to show that Africa is completely free of the m-pox.

    https://i.ibb.co/YB57FT7/Screenshot-20220523-003036-Daily-Mail-Online.jpg

    Hmm..aren't those all the tranny countries?

  31. @Chrisnonymous
    @BenjaminL

    Do tell...

    Replies: @Cutter

    In PDF form. Don’t eat before you read it.

    https://archive.amarna-forum.net/patient_zero.pdf

  32. Off topic

    US army considering letting soldiers change base if local laws offend their choice of gender.

  33. Unlike HIV, which was spread largely by:

    Blood transfusions with infected blood, a problem that was solved relatively quickly – Gays donating
    Heroin junkies sharing needles without cleaning them – selling their arses to Gays in order to score
    Gay men sodomizing each other on a mass scale – Gays

  34. SIGA Technologies stock has almost doubled in the past few days. They received a Department of Defense no bid contract for TPOXX (smallpox vaccine). Something fishy going on…probably nothing, right?

    • Replies: @MGB
    @Midnights

    SIGA, that's perleman, right? a real POS.

    , @FPD72
    @Midnights


    They received a Department of Defense no bid contract for TPOXX (smallpox vaccine). Something fishy going on…probably nothing, right?
     
    Smallpox vaccine has a proven record of efficacy against monkey pox, because of the similarity of the pathogen.
    , @That Would Be Telling
    @Midnights


    [SIGA Technologies] received a Department of Defense no bid contract for TPOXX (smallpox vaccine).
     
    Nope, that's a small molecule antiviral that might help although those have generally been disappointments, must be given very early in the course of the disease and here we have one with an up to ten day incubation period. Might be tried on people who've been exposed, and the no bid contract is inherent to their having a new drug still under patent protection, if you want some tecovirimat you've got to get it from them.

    Otherwise any smallpox vaccine will do well enough for ring fencing the infected, the four of Orthopoxvirus genus, smallpox, cowpox, the virus derived from the latter which was used for smallpox vaccinations, and monkeypox are all immunizing against others.

    That the DoD signed a $23 million contract with SIGA in 2019 a year after FDA approval just shows some sanity in being prepared for pox outbreaks. For example, monkeypox becoming a bigger thing in Africa is thought to be in part from the end of smallpox vaccinations in 1980 due to the latter's eradication, but it could return through one of the samples that are left or through making it from scratch since genomes for it have been published. We got serious about this threat after 9/11, thus SIGA getting development contracts starting in 2009 and ones for doses starting in 2011, we'd be desperate if there was an outbreak, especially of the smallpox variety that has a 30% fatality rate.

    I must say I'm disappointed by so many people claiming our preparing for predictable plagues, you know, a phenomena that's been a thing in recorded history since the 6th Century, as a sign of something sinister. They evidently want us to be high time preference and live in the moment and will no doubt celebrate the coming famines from first the fertilizer crisis and then the special military operation in the Ukraine. Some of our ruling trash are raising the alarm, but so far in terms of actions they're still mostly reactive as far as I can tell. For example no curbs on burning food for fuel, ethanol from corn (maize, which does produce distiller's grains for animal feed) and biodiesel from edible oils.
    , @AnotherDad
    @Midnights


    SIGA Technologies stock has almost doubled in the past few days. They received a Department of Defense no bid contract for TPOXX (smallpox vaccine). Something fishy going on…probably nothing, right?
     
    What's fishy about that?

    I got the smallpox jab as kid back in the day. But routine small pox vaccinations stopped in the 70s, so most Americans <50 have not had one. Therefore you have a big susceptible population and these guys apparently claim to have some anti-viral therapy.

    Personally--vaccines are way better. And unlike chasing a corona or flu virus variant, these smallpox type bugs seem to be reasonably stable--unable to evolve quickly around a vaccine. So the vax really works well. (At least that's how it appears to a non-bio guy like me.)

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

  35. @Altai
    They are caught in a bind because they want to reduce public concern and anxiety with the knowledge that they aren't at very much risk and they also really need gay men to know they are seemingly at non-trivial risk and to know what the symptoms are to stop the spread. This is even more critical since the type of gay men most at risk get STDs so regularly they might assume it is one and go to a clinic and pose a serious risk of infecting others. As has already happened in London where the clinics there are now refusing walk-ins and asking people to serious consider if their symptoms are consistent with monkeypox.

    So, as a consequence they have to make clear that this is a disease being spread around in gay men. The other thing to note is that children are the most at risk in terms of severe symptoms and death. So far there is one child in ICU but no deaths. And people really don't like diseases being spread that hurt children the most.

    It's fascinating to see some supposed medics and scientists getting mad at this though.

    https://twitter.com/xabitron1/status/1527026207589548033

    https://twitter.com/ChristosArgyrop/status/1526923789841203201

    https://twitter.com/ejdickson/status/1527294595574509568

    And journalists getting annoyed at some of the stock case pictures used to show severe cases, particularly in children being black people, almost like almost every case prior to a few days ago being in West and Central Africa could do that...

    https://twitter.com/FPA_Africa/status/1527990596044001282

    Having said that, the wider community and children are still at risk as this becomes endemic in gay men. All it takes is one person with a sore on their palm to run their hand down a hand rail at a big subway and you could infect a lot of people. And a child infected could easily spread it to their peers at school. Authorities know if there is an outbreak at a school this is going to be really bad PR, (Particularly if a child dies) not just for them but for the gay community. Better to have a bit of bad PR now to stop some really bad PR later I'd say.

    Replies: @HammerJack

    And journalists getting annoyed at some of the stock case pictures used to show severe cases, particularly in children being black people, almost like almost every case prior to a few days ago being in West and Central Africa could do that…

    Checkmate racist! Even Britain’s august Daily Mail is running this graphic to show that Africa is completely free of the m-pox.

    Hmm..aren’t those all the tranny countries?

  36. Get the “logic” here: “It comes from Africa and affects gay men, but we can’t say that *so that we can* deal with it better.”

    Um, no. You deal with something better by *naming* those most affected. They actually did this at the beginning of covid (old people and unwell people), but perversely they shut down everyone else anyway.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Nachum


    Um, no. You deal with something better by *naming* those most affected.
     
    Not just "affected", but you deal with problems by naming--shaming, correcting, punishing--the people misbehaving, the people responsible.

    This is how civilization actually works. This idea we should not name the people causing trouble--and demand in no uncertain terms that they to cut it out--is absolutely toxic.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @That Would Be Telling

  37. Coming soon the following rallying cry from ‘the experts’: “We’re all in this together”…ie being repeatedly rear-ended in the homosexual sauna. Maybe homosexuals could be placed in care homes, on the scientific COVID precedent. Would certainly add an exotic twist to the entertainment at afternoon tea.

  38. Anonymous[232] • Disclaimer says:

    When “Prep” was introduced a few years ago there were predictions that it would lead to a return of 1970s-style reckless behavior by homosexuals, and therefore to new epidemics.

  39. Is it monkeypox already? I’ve still got my Ukraine decorations up!

    (Stolen from I know not where)

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Adam Smith
    @Bill Jones

    https://i.ibb.co/wCq1ZXy/Monkeypox-Ukraine.jpg

  40. @Stan d Mute
    Okay Steve (Boomer)..

    Let’s get our boomer panties in a bunch about “monkeypox”. Just like you got your panties twisted in the 80’s about GAY ANAL DISEASE (aka AIDS).

    You are the SINGULAR WORST thing to EVER happen to our tribe (and probably our species). NOTHING has been more harmful and destructive than the BOOMER.

    Twenty years ago Steve, you had some objectivity and honesty. Today, you are a contemptible Boomer shill.

    Get Vaxxed says you and Unz. Take experimental gene therapy for a COLD VIRUS! (I hold YOU in exceptional CONTEMPT as a fellow cancer survivor - YOU, far more than most SHOULD have known). Trust the Government and Big Pharma, say you and Ronnie..

    Fuck off Boomer.

    Censor me. And go fuck your Boomer self. I sincerely hope that your children enjoy the fruits of YOUR behaviors!

    Replies: @Henry's Cat, @AnotherDad, @BB753, @International Jew

    The Covid deniers/sceptics are going to become as indisidious as the 9/11 truthers were two decades ago.

  41. @Hangnail Hans
    Steve, as much as you love fag-bashing, didn't this latest innovation arrive on a flight to London from Nairobi? Was it a gay Nigerian? I remember a couple of those from last year. Jussie spent all of six days in prison due to their treachery.

    Monkeypox is a type of orthopoxvirus and is related to smallpox but is usually less severe.
     
    Oh what a relief.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @Anon, @Hannah Katz

    Aww crap, I meant Lagos!

  42. @Adam Smith
    While most of the men who have contracted the monkeypox in the U.S.and Europe are gay homosexuals who often enjoy casual sodomy with other promiscuous men, that doesn't necessarily mean that gay men are filthy disease vectors. There is no conclusive evidence that the latest outbreak is being sexually transmitted, rather than simply being passed between men who enjoy having sex with other men within their sexual networks, LGBTTQQIAAPP+ experts say.

    Replies: @MEH 0910, @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Typically, monkeypox rashes tend to break out on the face, palms of the hands, and bottoms of the feet. But Swedish health authorities said on Thursday that “in European cases, the skin problems have often been reported to be localized to the genitals, groin, and the skin around the anal opening.”

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @MEH 0910

    “European cases”

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

  43. For my own entertainment, I’m making comments on social media about the gay spread of the new flavour of the week disease, all according to facts I could find from verifiable sources. I don’t share my sources, of course, I’m not a fact checker, do yer own research. The possible gay angle is not mentioned at all by the local mainstream news, I only see it in foreign media.

    These people are mostly libtards, or afraid to be labeled as hatecrimers. They seem to be genuinely unaware of the gay S&M alleged superspreader events, and are only giving wikipedia level stock info. They are, however, going apeshit (sorry, can’t stop myself) and screaming bloody murder about a new pandemic, so who exactly is being irresponsible?

    I call the local media copy and paste activists. Most of their opinions are no different from overseas media.

  44. By the way- for LBGT fans of Che Guevara: https://qr.ae/pvChCF
    ……………………………………….
    To start with, Che was a raging homophobe. For him, gay people were the opposite of his idea of ‘hombre nuevo’ (new man) and he considered them as ‘pervertidos sexuales’ (sexual perverts). Thus, he campaigned to have them incarcerated. He herded them, along with Aro-Cuban priests, Jehovah’s witnesses, and anyone else considered ‘undesirable’, and send them to labour camps. One of the main reasons why they were sent there was that they were considered unfit to serve in the Cuban military. Around 35,000 gay people were put into those camps.
    ………………………………………………………………….
    Several men who survived La Cabaña prison recall a night when a 14-year-old boy was shoved into their holding cell. When asked what he did, he gasped that he had tried to defend his father from the firing squad, but was unsuccessful.
    Moments later, guards dragged the boy out of the cell, and Che Guevara himself ordered the boy to kneel down.
    The jailed men screamed “assassins!” and watched out of their cell window as Guevara took out his pistol, put the barrel to the back of the boy’s neck, and fired.

  45. This version of Monkeypox is Genital. That’s confirmed. The sores are on the genitalia.

    We’ve got a new STD on our hands.

    You should update your post

  46. Some people’s fun, such as children’s, is just less important that other people’s fun, like gays.

    Another reason why they want to recruit young children to the LGBTQ+ cause.

    Cue rebooted Cyndi Lauper…

    🎶Gays, they want to have fu-un.
    🎶Oh, Gays just want to have fun.

  47. Candy stores report that fudge sales are down low ever since the Anally Inserted Death Sentence news of four decades ago. Write your congressman to insist that subsidies be included in budgets, to protect that vital sector of the economy.

  48. When is Vice going to make a show where some hipster d bag goes around sampling different kinds of ‘bush meat?’

    • LOL: Mike Tre
  49. @BenjaminL
    There's apparently a legendary "AIDS thread" on another right-wing discussion forum that frequently gets referenced on Twitter....

    As best as I can tell, for many young right-wingers, reading this thread was a major turning point in learning that The Narrative is built on lies. I think the thread has a lot of details about Gay Culture that are normally censored by The Narrative.

    Replies: @thomasblair, @Chrisnonymous, @Big Sexy, @Almost Missouri, @AnotherDad

    Could you drop a link to this?

  50. @Stan d Mute
    Okay Steve (Boomer)..

    Let’s get our boomer panties in a bunch about “monkeypox”. Just like you got your panties twisted in the 80’s about GAY ANAL DISEASE (aka AIDS).

    You are the SINGULAR WORST thing to EVER happen to our tribe (and probably our species). NOTHING has been more harmful and destructive than the BOOMER.

    Twenty years ago Steve, you had some objectivity and honesty. Today, you are a contemptible Boomer shill.

    Get Vaxxed says you and Unz. Take experimental gene therapy for a COLD VIRUS! (I hold YOU in exceptional CONTEMPT as a fellow cancer survivor - YOU, far more than most SHOULD have known). Trust the Government and Big Pharma, say you and Ronnie..

    Fuck off Boomer.

    Censor me. And go fuck your Boomer self. I sincerely hope that your children enjoy the fruits of YOUR behaviors!

    Replies: @Henry's Cat, @AnotherDad, @BB753, @International Jew

    I’ve learned some amazing things on this blog. For instance, that boomers like Lyndon Johnson were responsible for the ’64 “Civil Rights” Act and 1965 Immigration Act. Or that boomers like Alan Simpsom, Ramano Mazzoli and Ronald Reagan were responsible for the ’86 Amnesty–and ergo subsequent Hispanic population explosion.

    People in every generation screw some things up. And perhaps have even some vague statistical “profile” relative to other generations before and after.

    But if–out of all the categories available!–your analysis of the cause of our political problems is generational … you should be sent to bedroom without supper so you can pout there until you grow up.

    • Agree: Thea
    • Thanks: Coemgen
    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @AnotherDad

    Not a single one of those four politicians are Boomers, who were born starting in 1946, strangely enough the birth year of all three of our Boomer Presidents, Clinton, W, and Trump. LBJ and Reagan were "Greatest" generation, Simpsom and Mazzoli Silents. The oldest Boomers couldn't even vote until 1967, were teens for those early-mid 1960s bills. They could have had some influence on Reagan's amnesty.

    Replies: @Thea, @Reg Cæsar, @Achmed E. Newman

  51. The idea there’s another amazing and dangerous virus, basically showing up on the heels of the corona panic, pretty much beggars belief – how convenient.

  52. “Some people’s fun, such as children’s, is just less important that other people’s fun, like gays.”

    And it is abundantly clear that organized gaydom is a major player in Democrat politics. As my dear wife would say “money talks.”

  53. If by “socializing”, you mean massive gay orgies, then yeah, I guess that monkey pox is spread by socializing.

    There was a story a few days ago that appears to have been pulled that blamed one particular “gay fetish” party for planting it in the USA. Reading between the lines seemed to tell me “fetish” meant “furries”.

    Just an unsupported data point, but the sort of thing the UN is denouncing. Right?
    Am I violating international law by posting this? { wink }

  54. Refusal to close the bathhouses in the 80s represents one of the single most misanthropic acts of human history. Or at least since Cain said “ I am not my brother’s keeper”

  55. @AnotherDad
    @Stan d Mute

    I've learned some amazing things on this blog. For instance, that boomers like Lyndon Johnson were responsible for the '64 "Civil Rights" Act and 1965 Immigration Act. Or that boomers like Alan Simpsom, Ramano Mazzoli and Ronald Reagan were responsible for the '86 Amnesty--and ergo subsequent Hispanic population explosion.

    People in every generation screw some things up. And perhaps have even some vague statistical "profile" relative to other generations before and after.

    But if--out of all the categories available!--your analysis of the cause of our political problems is generational ... you should be sent to bedroom without supper so you can pout there until you grow up.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    Not a single one of those four politicians are Boomers, who were born starting in 1946, strangely enough the birth year of all three of our Boomer Presidents, Clinton, W, and Trump. LBJ and Reagan were “Greatest” generation, Simpsom and Mazzoli Silents. The oldest Boomers couldn’t even vote until 1967, were teens for those early-mid 1960s bills. They could have had some influence on Reagan’s amnesty.

    • Replies: @Thea
    @That Would Be Telling

    That was his point

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @That Would Be Telling


    The oldest Boomers couldn’t even vote until 1967...
     
    1966 in Hawaii, 1965 in Alaska, 1964 in Georgia and Kentucky*. Those states accounted for about 4.5% of the 1960 US population, and at most two years, ten months and a week's worth of "boomers" would have been included.

    But that won't stop, or even retard, the pseudodemographic, astrologue critics, will it? Blame mom and dad for grandpa's, or great-grandpa's, sins. "Dad gave me spankings, grandma gave me cookies!"

    AD's arithmetic is so bad, I wonder if he's just pulling our legs.

    *Fun fact: the future First Lady Laura Welch would have been one day too young to vote in Atlanta or Louisville in the 1964 election.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @That Would Be Telling


    Not a single one of those four politicians are Boomers...
     
    That was AnotherDad's point. Whooosh....

    Replies: @Mike Tre

  56. @Midnights
    SIGA Technologies stock has almost doubled in the past few days. They received a Department of Defense no bid contract for TPOXX (smallpox vaccine). Something fishy going on...probably nothing, right?

    Replies: @MGB, @FPD72, @That Would Be Telling, @AnotherDad

    SIGA, that’s perleman, right? a real POS.

  57. @That Would Be Telling
    @AnotherDad

    Not a single one of those four politicians are Boomers, who were born starting in 1946, strangely enough the birth year of all three of our Boomer Presidents, Clinton, W, and Trump. LBJ and Reagan were "Greatest" generation, Simpsom and Mazzoli Silents. The oldest Boomers couldn't even vote until 1967, were teens for those early-mid 1960s bills. They could have had some influence on Reagan's amnesty.

    Replies: @Thea, @Reg Cæsar, @Achmed E. Newman

    That was his point

    • Thanks: HammerJack
  58. @anonymous
    Reuters has made it clear in their articles that the Spanish outbreak of 30 cases has been traced back to a "sauna," a gay bath house.

    https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/spain-reports-14-new-confirmed-monkeypox-cases-total-21-2022-05-20/

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    Pretty much everything I read at the least mentions in passing it’s mostly being transmitted by “gay” or “gay and bisexual” men. The Belgiums are saying all four of their cases came from “the international gay fetish festival Darklands, which was held in early May in Antwerp” (RT quoting someone from there). “Gay sex networks” are also words of art I’ve seen used.

    Of course the bigger this gets the more the usual suspects will try to give the disease itself civil rights like they did with AIDS, but I wonder how well that’ll work given how overt the symptom of poxes on the skin are, and that it’s an acute, up to ten days incubation and then resolves in a few weeks disease. HIV has a acute phase like a lot of mild viral diseases, it’s the chronic attack on the immune system and thus it not getting zapped by it that gives it the sinister characteristics.

    For better or worse this is also probably from Nigeria and thus it’s turned out to be in the West African (WA) clade which has a <1% fatality rate. This is also the first time this clade has been observed to transmit between humans; contra our host's impression, that's thought to be pretty hard. Haven't been following it closely but the one set of cases I noticed were from the same household were of two gay men.

  59. Some people’s fun, such as children’s, is just less important that other people’s fun, like gays.

    In the 80s and 90s they wouldn’t even shut down gay “bathhouses,” which were the epicenter of a disease that (at the time) was basically 100% fatal. Yet the literal same people (Fauci and company) closed restaurants, schools and churches at the drop of a hat for the Coof, which had a .03% fatality rate.

    The science of risk vs. return must place a really high value on anonymous gay sex.

    • Replies: @Whataboutery2020
    @Hypnotoad666

    Close bathhouses? That's not who we are...

    , @Joe Magarac
    @Hypnotoad666


    The science of risk vs. return must place a really high value on anonymous gay sex.
     
    It is a sacrament of the official religion.
    , @MB
    @Hypnotoad666

    AIDS was the politically correct plague.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Hypnotoad666


    In the 80s and 90s they wouldn’t even shut down gay “bathhouses,” which were the epicenter of a disease that (at the time) was basically 100% fatal. Yet the literal same people (Fauci and company) closed restaurants, schools and churches at the drop of a hat for the Coof, which had a .03% fatality rate.

    The science of risk vs. return must place a really high value on anonymous gay sex.
     

    Hypnotoad, totally agree with the logical thrust of this comment.

    But--call me the "B-word" or whatever, I think it is a disservice to conservatives/anti-establishment/skeptics to trot out obviously incorrect numbers.

    There were something approaching 1 million excess deaths--deaths over the trend line--over the last couple of years in the US. (A very noticeable 15%ish bump up in deaths.) Even if the whole US population has had the Fauci, that would be a 0.3% fatality rate for 330 million. And I would estimate--from my neighbors and friends--that we are only about halfway through. (Maybe I'm the last guy left, but I still haven't had it.) So back of the envelope I would come up with .6%.

    With Omicron variant, now you are probably finally down toward your 0.03%--"just the flu"--territory. (I'd say a typical seasonal flu, probably infects 50-100m each year and harvests say 10-30k--your 0.03% ballpark.)

    Now--as I've said many times--once the Diamond Princess docked, we had a good estimate of the severity and target of this thing. It was going to kill a bunch of old and/or more sickly people. I'd guess-estimate, half of the deaths were 'borrowed' from the next four years deaths. (The only person I know, an uncle was in that category. I terrific, beloved guy--but 'due'.) And 90% of the other half borrowed from the next 15 years or a few people who might have limped along for decades but in poor health.

    You properly try and protect the vulnerable and give people solid medical advice on assessing their risk and on prevention. But you do not try and stop the world, shutter businesses, take away normal people's freedoms for this. It was obviously a giant power grab by the super-state(s).


    Anyway, my point is the minoritarians love their lying, innumeracy, illogic, their general anti-empiricism in service of their toxic ideology. Let's counter their lies with straight up empiricism and logic, solid facts and good numbers and not stoop to hand-waving.

    Replies: @pyrrhus

    , @Adam Smith
    @Hypnotoad666

    Monkeypox outbreak linked to superspreader event at adult sauna

    Enrique Ruiz Escudero, the region’s cabinet minister for health of the community, said on Friday that health officials had traced many of Spain’s 30 monkeypox cases to a single sauna in the capital.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  60. @MEH 0910
    @Adam Smith

    https://twitter.com/LionBlogosphere/status/1528012181656174592


    Typically, monkeypox rashes tend to break out on the face, palms of the hands, and bottoms of the feet. But Swedish health authorities said on Thursday that "in European cases, the skin problems have often been reported to be localized to the genitals, groin, and the skin around the anal opening."
     

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose

    “European cases”

    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcVh6SbojfY

  61. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Roger


    If so, maybe it should be condemned.
     
    Or, people could just tell them that they're wrong about it. (Wait, they don't, right?)

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    Or, people could just tell them that they’re wrong about it. (Wait, they don’t, right?)

    Heh, but who knows? In truth the name is a mistake, its animal reservoir(s) are thought to be small rodents. But we can use the “monkey” to stigmatize the disease all we want.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
    @That Would Be Telling

    I doubt renaming it "gerbil pox" will have a destigmatizing effect.
    "BIPox", maybe ?

  62. @Harry Baldwin
    Telling a gay guy to turn it down a notch could cost you $10 million.

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/officer-told-tone-gayness-settles-suit-1025m-68906297

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Belmar promoted Wildhaber to lieutenant in December, placing him in command of a new diversity and inclusion unit.

    They’re all about diversity of practices and inclusion of partners and parts! Equity? How is the theater scene in St Louis?

    Page said Monday that Belmar’s retirement was not a condition of the settlement. He said Belmar had confided in him much earlier that he planned to retire this year…

    \$10m should pay for yearly, perhaps monthly, vacations on Mykonos. Where they separate the men from the boys– with a crowbar.

    St. Louis County has agreed to a \$10.25 million settlement…

    The jury foreman in the case had told reporters after the trial it wanted a big verdict “to send a message.”

    Wikipedia: The racial makeup of the county was 68.3% White (66.9% Non-Hispanic White), 35.3% African American, 0.2% Native American, 3.5% Asian (1.1% Asian Indian, 1.0% Chinese, 0.3% Filipino, 0.3% Korean, 0.3% Vietnamese, 0.1% Japanese, 0.4% Other), 0.03% Pacific Islander, 0.9% from other races, and 1.9% from two or more races and 2.5% Hispanic or Latino (1.5% Mexican, 0.2% Puerto Rican, 0.1% Cuban, 0.8% Other).

    The County does not include the City. Wikipedia is strangely silent about the demographic profile of the latter, but DataUSA informs us:

    The 5 largest ethnic groups in St. Louis city, MO are Black or African American (Non-Hispanic) (44.9%), White (Non-Hispanic) (44.5%), Asian (Non-Hispanic) (3.44%), Two+ (Non-Hispanic) (2.54%), and White (Hispanic) (2.33%).

    How a jury in a blacker jurisdiction would have ruled is an open question; the church ladies that would dominate the pool (clean police records) are notably chilly toward white sodomites, but blacks can be quite open to considering discrimination complaints, too.

    Also, a huge portion of the white population is Bosniak, most of which are Moslem. How that breaks down between City and County I don’t know. But I doubt the mosques fly rainbow flags.

    In 2014, a Bosniak-American named Zamir Begic was beaten to death with hammers. The murder caused shock in the Bosnian community of St. Louis and protests were held against violent crime. Because Begic was white and his suspected assailants were Black and Latino… St. Louis police did not believe the attack had any ethnic or racial basis.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Bosnian_Americans_in_St._Louis#History

    Like my artful use of the ellipsis there? Feel free to edit Wikipedia the same way yourself.

    Zamir Begic = A big crime. Z(zzzzz…)

  63. @That Would Be Telling
    @AnotherDad

    Not a single one of those four politicians are Boomers, who were born starting in 1946, strangely enough the birth year of all three of our Boomer Presidents, Clinton, W, and Trump. LBJ and Reagan were "Greatest" generation, Simpsom and Mazzoli Silents. The oldest Boomers couldn't even vote until 1967, were teens for those early-mid 1960s bills. They could have had some influence on Reagan's amnesty.

    Replies: @Thea, @Reg Cæsar, @Achmed E. Newman

    The oldest Boomers couldn’t even vote until 1967…

    1966 in Hawaii, 1965 in Alaska, 1964 in Georgia and Kentucky*. Those states accounted for about 4.5% of the 1960 US population, and at most two years, ten months and a week’s worth of “boomers” would have been included.

    But that won’t stop, or even retard, the pseudodemographic, astrologue critics, will it? Blame mom and dad for grandpa’s, or great-grandpa’s, sins. “Dad gave me spankings, grandma gave me cookies!”

    AD’s arithmetic is so bad, I wonder if he’s just pulling our legs.

    *Fun fact: the future First Lady Laura Welch would have been one day too young to vote in Atlanta or Louisville in the 1964 election.

    • Thanks: That Would Be Telling
  64. @Stan d Mute
    Okay Steve (Boomer)..

    Let’s get our boomer panties in a bunch about “monkeypox”. Just like you got your panties twisted in the 80’s about GAY ANAL DISEASE (aka AIDS).

    You are the SINGULAR WORST thing to EVER happen to our tribe (and probably our species). NOTHING has been more harmful and destructive than the BOOMER.

    Twenty years ago Steve, you had some objectivity and honesty. Today, you are a contemptible Boomer shill.

    Get Vaxxed says you and Unz. Take experimental gene therapy for a COLD VIRUS! (I hold YOU in exceptional CONTEMPT as a fellow cancer survivor - YOU, far more than most SHOULD have known). Trust the Government and Big Pharma, say you and Ronnie..

    Fuck off Boomer.

    Censor me. And go fuck your Boomer self. I sincerely hope that your children enjoy the fruits of YOUR behaviors!

    Replies: @Henry's Cat, @AnotherDad, @BB753, @International Jew

    Nobody’s perfect. Steve has his boomer biases and blind spots, like every generation that’s ever lived. Sure, he failed to see the COVID scam. That’s a mistake. But it’s worse that he’s still blind to the WHO and UN shenanigans, as right now they’re debating our future slavery under the NWO in Geneva.

    “Members of the World Health Organization (WHO) are days away from voting on an international pandemic treaty and amendments to the International Health Regulations (2005) which would give the unelected WHO greater control of national emergency healthcare decisions and new powers to push vaccine passports, global surveillance, and “global coordinated actions” that address “misinformation” whenever it declares a “health emergency.””

    https://reclaimthenet.org/world-health-organization-pandemic-treaty-a-fresh-push-for-vaccine-passports-global-surveillance-and-more/

  65. @Midnights
    SIGA Technologies stock has almost doubled in the past few days. They received a Department of Defense no bid contract for TPOXX (smallpox vaccine). Something fishy going on...probably nothing, right?

    Replies: @MGB, @FPD72, @That Would Be Telling, @AnotherDad

    They received a Department of Defense no bid contract for TPOXX (smallpox vaccine). Something fishy going on…probably nothing, right?

    Smallpox vaccine has a proven record of efficacy against monkey pox, because of the similarity of the pathogen.

  66. @Midnights
    SIGA Technologies stock has almost doubled in the past few days. They received a Department of Defense no bid contract for TPOXX (smallpox vaccine). Something fishy going on...probably nothing, right?

    Replies: @MGB, @FPD72, @That Would Be Telling, @AnotherDad

    [SIGA Technologies] received a Department of Defense no bid contract for TPOXX (smallpox vaccine).

    Nope, that’s a small molecule antiviral that might help although those have generally been disappointments, must be given very early in the course of the disease and here we have one with an up to ten day incubation period. Might be tried on people who’ve been exposed, and the no bid contract is inherent to their having a new drug still under patent protection, if you want some tecovirimat you’ve got to get it from them.

    Otherwise any smallpox vaccine will do well enough for ring fencing the infected, the four of Orthopoxvirus genus, smallpox, cowpox, the virus derived from the latter which was used for smallpox vaccinations, and monkeypox are all immunizing against others.

    That the DoD signed a \$23 million contract with SIGA in 2019 a year after FDA approval just shows some sanity in being prepared for pox outbreaks. For example, monkeypox becoming a bigger thing in Africa is thought to be in part from the end of smallpox vaccinations in 1980 due to the latter’s eradication, but it could return through one of the samples that are left or through making it from scratch since genomes for it have been published. We got serious about this threat after 9/11, thus SIGA getting development contracts starting in 2009 and ones for doses starting in 2011, we’d be desperate if there was an outbreak, especially of the smallpox variety that has a 30% fatality rate.

    I must say I’m disappointed by so many people claiming our preparing for predictable plagues, you know, a phenomena that’s been a thing in recorded history since the 6th Century, as a sign of something sinister. They evidently want us to be high time preference and live in the moment and will no doubt celebrate the coming famines from first the fertilizer crisis and then the special military operation in the Ukraine. Some of our ruling trash are raising the alarm, but so far in terms of actions they’re still mostly reactive as far as I can tell. For example no curbs on burning food for fuel, ethanol from corn (maize, which does produce distiller’s grains for animal feed) and biodiesel from edible oils.

  67. @aNewBanner
    If by “socializing”, you mean massive gay orgies, then yeah, I guess that monkey pox is spread by socializing.

    I’m sure that credible public health authorities ordering everyone to lock themselves down for two weeks to slow the spread will be met with calm, resigned submission, especially if it becomes known that we’re doing this because the alphabet people can’t keep it in their pants.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    the alphabet people can’t keep it in their pants.

    Of the alphabet people, it’s probably the Gs that account for 85% of the problem, the Bs maybe 10% and the Ls, Ts, Qs, etc, the rest. Those last groups don’t actually have sex much from what I’ve heard.

  68. And just so Steve doesn’t go all Covid on us,

    Benjamin Fulford has collected a bunch of pictures from the 2018 era that the lying media whores are now proclaiming as evidence of this outbreak.

    Page down.

    https://benjaminfulford.net/

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Bill Jones

    Macaques, eh? Looking up a bar called the Drunk'n Monkey (there is a disturbing number of these, in the US and India and likely elsewhere; though there is none listed in The Wordsworth Dictionary of Pub Names [1987/1994], which does show a Drunken Duck in Lancashire), I happened upon these videos.

  69. Funny how these viruses seem to pop up one after another and funny how there’s always a “table top ” exercise gaming that very disease right before the out break.

  70. @That Would Be Telling
    @AnotherDad

    Not a single one of those four politicians are Boomers, who were born starting in 1946, strangely enough the birth year of all three of our Boomer Presidents, Clinton, W, and Trump. LBJ and Reagan were "Greatest" generation, Simpsom and Mazzoli Silents. The oldest Boomers couldn't even vote until 1967, were teens for those early-mid 1960s bills. They could have had some influence on Reagan's amnesty.

    Replies: @Thea, @Reg Cæsar, @Achmed E. Newman

    Not a single one of those four politicians are Boomers…

    That was AnotherDad’s point. Whooosh….

    • Thanks: AnotherDad, HammerJack
    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I’m missing something. Is there a big pharma angle to this topic? Why is he back all of a sudden?

  71. @Hypnotoad666

    Some people’s fun, such as children’s, is just less important that other people’s fun, like gays.
     
    In the 80s and 90s they wouldn't even shut down gay "bathhouses," which were the epicenter of a disease that (at the time) was basically 100% fatal. Yet the literal same people (Fauci and company) closed restaurants, schools and churches at the drop of a hat for the Coof, which had a .03% fatality rate.

    The science of risk vs. return must place a really high value on anonymous gay sex.

    Replies: @Whataboutery2020, @Joe Magarac, @MB, @AnotherDad, @Adam Smith

    Close bathhouses? That’s not who we are…

  72. The disinformation campaign surrounding AIDS in the 80s was my first Red Pill. I bet I have that in common with a lot of other late Boomers here.

    • Agree: JR Ewing
  73. @Stan d Mute
    Okay Steve (Boomer)..

    Let’s get our boomer panties in a bunch about “monkeypox”. Just like you got your panties twisted in the 80’s about GAY ANAL DISEASE (aka AIDS).

    You are the SINGULAR WORST thing to EVER happen to our tribe (and probably our species). NOTHING has been more harmful and destructive than the BOOMER.

    Twenty years ago Steve, you had some objectivity and honesty. Today, you are a contemptible Boomer shill.

    Get Vaxxed says you and Unz. Take experimental gene therapy for a COLD VIRUS! (I hold YOU in exceptional CONTEMPT as a fellow cancer survivor - YOU, far more than most SHOULD have known). Trust the Government and Big Pharma, say you and Ronnie..

    Fuck off Boomer.

    Censor me. And go fuck your Boomer self. I sincerely hope that your children enjoy the fruits of YOUR behaviors!

    Replies: @Henry's Cat, @AnotherDad, @BB753, @International Jew

    Censor me.

    Censoring would have been doing you a favor.

    • Thanks: HammerJack
  74. @Hypnotoad666

    Some people’s fun, such as children’s, is just less important that other people’s fun, like gays.
     
    In the 80s and 90s they wouldn't even shut down gay "bathhouses," which were the epicenter of a disease that (at the time) was basically 100% fatal. Yet the literal same people (Fauci and company) closed restaurants, schools and churches at the drop of a hat for the Coof, which had a .03% fatality rate.

    The science of risk vs. return must place a really high value on anonymous gay sex.

    Replies: @Whataboutery2020, @Joe Magarac, @MB, @AnotherDad, @Adam Smith

    The science of risk vs. return must place a really high value on anonymous gay sex.

    It is a sacrament of the official religion.

  75. Anonymous[232] • Disclaimer says:

    The usual suspects are claiming this is a Russian bio-attack intended to make ‘globohomo’ look bad.

  76. If I were 16 years old again and starting a punk band, Monkepox would be the name. Nothing else would come close.

  77. @BenjaminL
    There's apparently a legendary "AIDS thread" on another right-wing discussion forum that frequently gets referenced on Twitter....

    As best as I can tell, for many young right-wingers, reading this thread was a major turning point in learning that The Narrative is built on lies. I think the thread has a lot of details about Gay Culture that are normally censored by The Narrative.

    Replies: @thomasblair, @Chrisnonymous, @Big Sexy, @Almost Missouri, @AnotherDad

    for many young right-wingers, reading this thread was a major turning point in learning that The Narrative is built on lies. I think the thread has a lot of details about Gay Culture that are normally censored by The Narrative.

    There’s also that documentary about gays deliberately spreading HIV:

    From the description:

    As many men in the community become condom weary, and some even consciously desire HIV infection, disturbing new trends of risky behavior have pushed the rate of new infections back into a rapid rise, all to the mantra of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.”
    Using Internet sites for promotion and connection, a community of barebackers (those who have sex without a condom) is flourishing. This includes bug chasers who host conversion parties where men actively seek the gift of HIV infection.
    Doug, a central character of the film, is a bright, articulate young man who moved from the Midwest to San Francisco in search of a gay community. He became a bug chaser and actively sought the gift of HIV infection. When Doug became infected with the virus, he felt a sense of belonging to a community. He is now dealing with the unexpected severity of his illness.
    Also featured in the documentary is noted psychoanalyst and community activist Walt Odets, MD, author of In the Shadow of the Epidemic. Dr.Odets examines the loss, grief and anxiety experienced by HIV negative men living with the AIDS epidemic, and he speaks out about why prevention has failed and what needs to be done.

  78. @BenjaminL
    There's apparently a legendary "AIDS thread" on another right-wing discussion forum that frequently gets referenced on Twitter....

    As best as I can tell, for many young right-wingers, reading this thread was a major turning point in learning that The Narrative is built on lies. I think the thread has a lot of details about Gay Culture that are normally censored by The Narrative.

    Replies: @thomasblair, @Chrisnonymous, @Big Sexy, @Almost Missouri, @AnotherDad

    As best as I can tell, for many young right-wingers, reading this thread was a major turning point in learning that The Narrative is built on lies.

    I can’t speak for young right-wingers. But I can tell you that watching this unfold in the early 80s, was both extremely annoying and enlightening about the scale of lying and blame shifting the media would do.
    I was a physics guy, not bio guy. But the b.s. the media spouted was just obvious nonsense from basic logic and back of the envelope math.

    I had not yet clarified my concept of “minoritarianism” back then, but I did recognize the core dynamic that minority misbehavior was being excused and could not be dealt with precisely because they were a minority hence “the good guys”. And, of course, the tedious moral preening from good thinkers. Everything you see now–was there then with homos and AIDS. And suffice it to say, my reaction to that toxic nonsense was very visceral–and much the same as you see from me now.

  79. @Hypnotoad666

    Some people’s fun, such as children’s, is just less important that other people’s fun, like gays.
     
    In the 80s and 90s they wouldn't even shut down gay "bathhouses," which were the epicenter of a disease that (at the time) was basically 100% fatal. Yet the literal same people (Fauci and company) closed restaurants, schools and churches at the drop of a hat for the Coof, which had a .03% fatality rate.

    The science of risk vs. return must place a really high value on anonymous gay sex.

    Replies: @Whataboutery2020, @Joe Magarac, @MB, @AnotherDad, @Adam Smith

    AIDS was the politically correct plague.

  80. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @MEH 0910

    “European cases”

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

  81. By coincidence, there was a massive gay parade in tourist destination Maspalomas, Gran Canaria just a week ago. Well … feel proud then.

    https://spainsnews.com/maspalomas-pride-in-the-spotlight-as-a-focus-of-monkeypox-contagion/

  82. Sometime last year I read that the stats on HIV positive men indicated that black males had a higher percentage likelihood of that than others.

    So it is with “monkeypox”.

    Of course we can’t mention this according to the Narrative Bringers, since it may make the more infected group feel bad.

    This kind of “shame censorship” is what today is called as “Public Health.”

    Making selected Intersectional Marxist pet groups feel better about themselves, artificially, is good for the rest of us. So they say.

    The practical effects of this policy on public health, including the most likely to be sick groups, is not important. We are permitted to feel sorry for those who get infected as a result of this artificial reality policy.

    In those cases we are encouraged to blame Trump and White Supremacists.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @Muggles


    Sometime last year I read that the stats on HIV positive men indicated that black males had a higher percentage likelihood of that than others.

    So it is with “monkeypox”.
     
    Do these stats include sub-Saharan Africa? Because AIDS has become a big thing there, and monkeypox is endemic in the middle of that. It's also very much not new, the first jump to a human was documented in 1970, there's been a number of outbreaks including the one others have mentioned from 2003 in the US, first in the Western Hemisphere as well. Path was imported Gambian pouched rats housed with prairie dogs, the latter then doing all the transmissions in the outbreak. The only major Western outbreak prior to this one.

    The 2003 outbreak was of the West African clade just like this one, thus very low <1%, or then out of 71 known infected no deaths. Importation banned of all African rodents which despite the name are thought to be the reservoir of the disease, but of course we can't do that sort of thing with humans, or put them in routine quarantine to make sure they don't bring anything over like the single monkeypox case a year ago in the US from Nigeria.

    Wow, Wikipedia is currently allowing mention of this outbreak's common path, even the phrase "sexual networks" I've been seeing in some media reports, while including a sentence on the UNAIDS proclamation our host has brought to our attention.
  83. @Hypnotoad666

    Some people’s fun, such as children’s, is just less important that other people’s fun, like gays.
     
    In the 80s and 90s they wouldn't even shut down gay "bathhouses," which were the epicenter of a disease that (at the time) was basically 100% fatal. Yet the literal same people (Fauci and company) closed restaurants, schools and churches at the drop of a hat for the Coof, which had a .03% fatality rate.

    The science of risk vs. return must place a really high value on anonymous gay sex.

    Replies: @Whataboutery2020, @Joe Magarac, @MB, @AnotherDad, @Adam Smith

    In the 80s and 90s they wouldn’t even shut down gay “bathhouses,” which were the epicenter of a disease that (at the time) was basically 100% fatal. Yet the literal same people (Fauci and company) closed restaurants, schools and churches at the drop of a hat for the Coof, which had a .03% fatality rate.

    The science of risk vs. return must place a really high value on anonymous gay sex.

    Hypnotoad, totally agree with the logical thrust of this comment.

    But–call me the “B-word” or whatever, I think it is a disservice to conservatives/anti-establishment/skeptics to trot out obviously incorrect numbers.

    There were something approaching 1 million excess deaths–deaths over the trend line–over the last couple of years in the US. (A very noticeable 15%ish bump up in deaths.) Even if the whole US population has had the Fauci, that would be a 0.3% fatality rate for 330 million. And I would estimate–from my neighbors and friends–that we are only about halfway through. (Maybe I’m the last guy left, but I still haven’t had it.) So back of the envelope I would come up with .6%.

    With Omicron variant, now you are probably finally down toward your 0.03%–“just the flu”–territory. (I’d say a typical seasonal flu, probably infects 50-100m each year and harvests say 10-30k–your 0.03% ballpark.)

    Now–as I’ve said many times–once the Diamond Princess docked, we had a good estimate of the severity and target of this thing. It was going to kill a bunch of old and/or more sickly people. I’d guess-estimate, half of the deaths were ‘borrowed’ from the next four years deaths. (The only person I know, an uncle was in that category. I terrific, beloved guy–but ‘due’.) And 90% of the other half borrowed from the next 15 years or a few people who might have limped along for decades but in poor health.

    You properly try and protect the vulnerable and give people solid medical advice on assessing their risk and on prevention. But you do not try and stop the world, shutter businesses, take away normal people’s freedoms for this. It was obviously a giant power grab by the super-state(s).

    Anyway, my point is the minoritarians love their lying, innumeracy, illogic, their general anti-empiricism in service of their toxic ideology. Let’s counter their lies with straight up empiricism and logic, solid facts and good numbers and not stoop to hand-waving.

    • Replies: @pyrrhus
    @AnotherDad

    No..there were only about 100k excess deaths in 2020, many of them attributable to poor medical treatment..There have been a much larger number in 2021 in the 18-64 age range, clearly attributable to the deadly vaxxes....

    Replies: @AnotherDad

  84. Monkeypox, like covid, appears to be spread mostly be socializing.

    But, gays do that more than just about anybody. Thus, the big superspreader event of last summer’s covid Delta wave was Bear Week in Provincetown.

    I just looked it up and there is apparently a perfectly good smallpox/monkeypox vaccine based on one of the vaccina strains available. And apparently (wikipedia admittedly) the US has purchased a stockpile.

    Let’s just require all the homosexuals to get vaccinated and be done with it. That or round ’em up and ship ’em somewhere. Since most of the Puerto Ricans have already come here, maybe we expropriate that and quarantine all of ’em there. Rename it “Sodomy Island”. They can do their thing and I don’t have to hear about it. Win-win.

  85. @Midnights
    SIGA Technologies stock has almost doubled in the past few days. They received a Department of Defense no bid contract for TPOXX (smallpox vaccine). Something fishy going on...probably nothing, right?

    Replies: @MGB, @FPD72, @That Would Be Telling, @AnotherDad

    SIGA Technologies stock has almost doubled in the past few days. They received a Department of Defense no bid contract for TPOXX (smallpox vaccine). Something fishy going on…probably nothing, right?

    What’s fishy about that?

    I got the smallpox jab as kid back in the day. But routine small pox vaccinations stopped in the 70s, so most Americans <50 have not had one. Therefore you have a big susceptible population and these guys apparently claim to have some anti-viral therapy.

    Personally–vaccines are way better. And unlike chasing a corona or flu virus variant, these smallpox type bugs seem to be reasonably stable–unable to evolve quickly around a vaccine. So the vax really works well. (At least that's how it appears to a non-bio guy like me.)

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @AnotherDad

    Depending on when you got a smallpox vaccination or booster, and Officially the vaccinia virus was as I recall considered to be good for only 3-5 years (this has been scrubbed from Wikipedia now, but some immunity does appear to persist for a lot of people). By the time I needed a booster for a trip that included Haiti they weren't jabs in the sense of using a hypodermic needle or the like which per Wikipedia are a mid-19th century development but were made with a bifurcated needle developed in 1965:


    The bifurcated needle is a narrow steel rod, approximately 5 cm (2 in) long with two prongs at one end. It was designed to hold one dose of reconstituted freeze-dried smallpox vaccine between its prongs.... The established technique for smallpox vaccination is to dip the needle in the vaccine, and then perpendicularly puncture a person's upper arm fifteen times rapidly in a small circular area, without prior cleansing of the skin with alcohol. The punctures should remain in an area approximately 5 mm in diameter.
     
    And I can remember the scar this produced on my shoulder vs. whatever was made when I first got it per the normal schedule.

    Note the problem with the flu is that you essentially have new strains all the time, with big enough changes creating a pandemic. No other virus we regularly vaccinate against has this problem, our bodies against either the virus or the vaccine get enough recognition of conserved parts of the virus.

    SARS-CoV-2 hasn't turned out to be all that bad of a moving target. We expected it to change because it was so new compared to everything else we vaccinate against, like measles which jumped from rinderpest to humans sometime in the 5th to 15th Century, those had evolved from their zoonotic jumps to humans I assume as well as they could.

    So we saw Alpha and Delta come before vaccines, and I gather it's unlikely Omicron was in response to vaccine selection pressure. One theory back when it came up was that it evolved some in some animal species before jumping back to us, but the expected most common source for all is from people who don't quickly throw it off due to immune system issues, so an ecological battle was waged and the most "fit" variant won and got transmitted to others. Eventually it'll run out of those sorts of tricks, which doesn't mean there won't be a variant or new strain for immune evasion instead of better general fitness.

    Last time I checked which was long ago all trials of first generation spike vaccine targeting vaccines made with ones from the major variants that followed classic Wuhan didn't provide extra protection worth changing to them, and we certainly haven't heard about a need to get reformulated boosters. Yes, their efficacy against Alpha, Delta and Omicron leaves something to be desired, but they're still quite effective at preventing bad outcomes, and again they're first generation.

    In the long term someone might develop more effective vaccines in any one of a variety of ways, perhaps include the N for nucleocapsid protein which was probably the major variant change in Alpha and Delta (but that protein is inside the virus so it only helps with already infected cells), or an attenuated live virus one. Plenty of things still up in the air including how long immunity, natural and/or vaccine lasts. There was research prior to COVID on one or more of the four endemic "common cold" coronaviruses, one suspected to be the cause of the late 19th Century "Russian flu," that cast doubt on duration. Something we'll have to learn a day at a time.
  86. @Achmed E. Newman
    @That Would Be Telling


    Not a single one of those four politicians are Boomers...
     
    That was AnotherDad's point. Whooosh....

    Replies: @Mike Tre

    I’m missing something. Is there a big pharma angle to this topic? Why is he back all of a sudden?

  87. Anon[271] • Disclaimer says:

    Bill Gates was talking about terrorists bringing a variant of smallpox to “ten airports” exactly one year ago. The U.S. government bought 13 million doses of smallpox vaccine from some company affiliated with Gates about a year back. Smallpox vaccine could be used against monkeypox, but that Vax notoriously has a record of side effects supposedly.

    Is our Epsteined-Bill Gates being made to be the front man yet again for something? We know he did God-knows-what on Jeffrey’s plane/New Mexico Mansion-with-underground-pleasure-palace/New York Brownstone/Florida Mansion/private Caribbean Island with Turkish bath and private submarine-that-Ghislaine-was-trained-to-skipper.*

    *bet the pedos didn’t worry about getting busted on those submarine rides. Who was gonna hear or interfere? How could the teens get away there?

  88. @Frank G
    Reminder that Steve supported the COVID panic and is now trying to gaslight his audience into thinking that he's against forcing children to wear masks to "Follow the Science".

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @pyrrhus

    Now covidiots can be replaced by poxidiots…but who will be the Karens?

  89. @AnotherDad
    @Hypnotoad666


    In the 80s and 90s they wouldn’t even shut down gay “bathhouses,” which were the epicenter of a disease that (at the time) was basically 100% fatal. Yet the literal same people (Fauci and company) closed restaurants, schools and churches at the drop of a hat for the Coof, which had a .03% fatality rate.

    The science of risk vs. return must place a really high value on anonymous gay sex.
     

    Hypnotoad, totally agree with the logical thrust of this comment.

    But--call me the "B-word" or whatever, I think it is a disservice to conservatives/anti-establishment/skeptics to trot out obviously incorrect numbers.

    There were something approaching 1 million excess deaths--deaths over the trend line--over the last couple of years in the US. (A very noticeable 15%ish bump up in deaths.) Even if the whole US population has had the Fauci, that would be a 0.3% fatality rate for 330 million. And I would estimate--from my neighbors and friends--that we are only about halfway through. (Maybe I'm the last guy left, but I still haven't had it.) So back of the envelope I would come up with .6%.

    With Omicron variant, now you are probably finally down toward your 0.03%--"just the flu"--territory. (I'd say a typical seasonal flu, probably infects 50-100m each year and harvests say 10-30k--your 0.03% ballpark.)

    Now--as I've said many times--once the Diamond Princess docked, we had a good estimate of the severity and target of this thing. It was going to kill a bunch of old and/or more sickly people. I'd guess-estimate, half of the deaths were 'borrowed' from the next four years deaths. (The only person I know, an uncle was in that category. I terrific, beloved guy--but 'due'.) And 90% of the other half borrowed from the next 15 years or a few people who might have limped along for decades but in poor health.

    You properly try and protect the vulnerable and give people solid medical advice on assessing their risk and on prevention. But you do not try and stop the world, shutter businesses, take away normal people's freedoms for this. It was obviously a giant power grab by the super-state(s).


    Anyway, my point is the minoritarians love their lying, innumeracy, illogic, their general anti-empiricism in service of their toxic ideology. Let's counter their lies with straight up empiricism and logic, solid facts and good numbers and not stoop to hand-waving.

    Replies: @pyrrhus

    No..there were only about 100k excess deaths in 2020, many of them attributable to poor medical treatment..There have been a much larger number in 2021 in the 18-64 age range, clearly attributable to the deadly vaxxes….

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @pyrrhus


    No..there were only about 100k excess deaths in 2020, many of them attributable to poor medical treatment..There have been a much larger number in 2021 in the 18-64 age range, clearly attributable to the deadly vaxxes….
     
    No, pyrrhus you are simply wrong.

    The CDC recorded 3,383,729 US deaths in 2020:
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm

    This was a considerable bump up from 2,854,838 in 2019
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr70/nvsr70-08-508.pdf

    And the trend which had generally been ambling up averaging +50-80k a year during the teens as the population aged.

    The establishment media lies about stuff all the time--makes excuses, turns facts upside down. They do it all the time. But there was not some elaborate conspiracy between the CDC and every country and state records office in the US to create 300K-400,000 extra deaths in 2020.

    Denying the numbers like minoritarians denying black crime or sex differences or the costs of immigration or homosexuals being massive disease vectors doesn't help anything. "It is what it is".

    Reality should be our--any intelligent persons--touchstone.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @MGB

  90. @AnotherDad
    @Midnights


    SIGA Technologies stock has almost doubled in the past few days. They received a Department of Defense no bid contract for TPOXX (smallpox vaccine). Something fishy going on…probably nothing, right?
     
    What's fishy about that?

    I got the smallpox jab as kid back in the day. But routine small pox vaccinations stopped in the 70s, so most Americans <50 have not had one. Therefore you have a big susceptible population and these guys apparently claim to have some anti-viral therapy.

    Personally--vaccines are way better. And unlike chasing a corona or flu virus variant, these smallpox type bugs seem to be reasonably stable--unable to evolve quickly around a vaccine. So the vax really works well. (At least that's how it appears to a non-bio guy like me.)

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    Depending on when you got a smallpox vaccination or booster, and Officially the vaccinia virus was as I recall considered to be good for only 3-5 years (this has been scrubbed from Wikipedia now, but some immunity does appear to persist for a lot of people). By the time I needed a booster for a trip that included Haiti they weren’t jabs in the sense of using a hypodermic needle or the like which per Wikipedia are a mid-19th century development but were made with a bifurcated needle developed in 1965:

    The bifurcated needle is a narrow steel rod, approximately 5 cm (2 in) long with two prongs at one end. It was designed to hold one dose of reconstituted freeze-dried smallpox vaccine between its prongs…. The established technique for smallpox vaccination is to dip the needle in the vaccine, and then perpendicularly puncture a person’s upper arm fifteen times rapidly in a small circular area, without prior cleansing of the skin with alcohol. The punctures should remain in an area approximately 5 mm in diameter.

    And I can remember the scar this produced on my shoulder vs. whatever was made when I first got it per the normal schedule.

    Note the problem with the flu is that you essentially have new strains all the time, with big enough changes creating a pandemic. No other virus we regularly vaccinate against has this problem, our bodies against either the virus or the vaccine get enough recognition of conserved parts of the virus.

    SARS-CoV-2 hasn’t turned out to be all that bad of a moving target. We expected it to change because it was so new compared to everything else we vaccinate against, like measles which jumped from rinderpest to humans sometime in the 5th to 15th Century, those had evolved from their zoonotic jumps to humans I assume as well as they could.

    So we saw Alpha and Delta come before vaccines, and I gather it’s unlikely Omicron was in response to vaccine selection pressure. One theory back when it came up was that it evolved some in some animal species before jumping back to us, but the expected most common source for all is from people who don’t quickly throw it off due to immune system issues, so an ecological battle was waged and the most “fit” variant won and got transmitted to others. Eventually it’ll run out of those sorts of tricks, which doesn’t mean there won’t be a variant or new strain for immune evasion instead of better general fitness.

    Last time I checked which was long ago all trials of first generation spike vaccine targeting vaccines made with ones from the major variants that followed classic Wuhan didn’t provide extra protection worth changing to them, and we certainly haven’t heard about a need to get reformulated boosters. Yes, their efficacy against Alpha, Delta and Omicron leaves something to be desired, but they’re still quite effective at preventing bad outcomes, and again they’re first generation.

    In the long term someone might develop more effective vaccines in any one of a variety of ways, perhaps include the N for nucleocapsid protein which was probably the major variant change in Alpha and Delta (but that protein is inside the virus so it only helps with already infected cells), or an attenuated live virus one. Plenty of things still up in the air including how long immunity, natural and/or vaccine lasts. There was research prior to COVID on one or more of the four endemic “common cold” coronaviruses, one suspected to be the cause of the late 19th Century “Russian flu,” that cast doubt on duration. Something we’ll have to learn a day at a time.

  91. @Muggles
    Sometime last year I read that the stats on HIV positive men indicated that black males had a higher percentage likelihood of that than others.

    So it is with "monkeypox".

    Of course we can't mention this according to the Narrative Bringers, since it may make the more infected group feel bad.

    This kind of "shame censorship" is what today is called as "Public Health."

    Making selected Intersectional Marxist pet groups feel better about themselves, artificially, is good for the rest of us. So they say.

    The practical effects of this policy on public health, including the most likely to be sick groups, is not important. We are permitted to feel sorry for those who get infected as a result of this artificial reality policy.

    In those cases we are encouraged to blame Trump and White Supremacists.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    Sometime last year I read that the stats on HIV positive men indicated that black males had a higher percentage likelihood of that than others.

    So it is with “monkeypox”.

    Do these stats include sub-Saharan Africa? Because AIDS has become a big thing there, and monkeypox is endemic in the middle of that. It’s also very much not new, the first jump to a human was documented in 1970, there’s been a number of outbreaks including the one others have mentioned from 2003 in the US, first in the Western Hemisphere as well. Path was imported Gambian pouched rats housed with prairie dogs, the latter then doing all the transmissions in the outbreak. The only major Western outbreak prior to this one.

    The 2003 outbreak was of the West African clade just like this one, thus very low <1%, or then out of 71 known infected no deaths. Importation banned of all African rodents which despite the name are thought to be the reservoir of the disease, but of course we can’t do that sort of thing with humans, or put them in routine quarantine to make sure they don’t bring anything over like the single monkeypox case a year ago in the US from Nigeria.

    Wow, Wikipedia is currently allowing mention of this outbreak’s common path, even the phrase “sexual networks” I’ve been seeing in some media reports, while including a sentence on the UNAIDS proclamation our host has brought to our attention.

  92. @Achmed E. Newman

    Some people’s fun, such as children’s, is just less important that other people’s fun, like gays....
     
    I didn't fall for it last time, and I'm not falling for it this time.

    BTW, it was about 2 years and 2 months ago when I was seeing some of your posts showing tweets with the Kung Flu head panickers telling us how we were to talk about the virus. I put 2 tweet screenshots below - probably taken off your blog, Steve:
    https://www.peakstupidity.com/images/post_1363A.jpg

    https://www.peakstupidity.com/images/post_1367A.jpg

    Replies: @Alden, @Adam Smith

  93. @Hypnotoad666

    Some people’s fun, such as children’s, is just less important that other people’s fun, like gays.
     
    In the 80s and 90s they wouldn't even shut down gay "bathhouses," which were the epicenter of a disease that (at the time) was basically 100% fatal. Yet the literal same people (Fauci and company) closed restaurants, schools and churches at the drop of a hat for the Coof, which had a .03% fatality rate.

    The science of risk vs. return must place a really high value on anonymous gay sex.

    Replies: @Whataboutery2020, @Joe Magarac, @MB, @AnotherDad, @Adam Smith

    Monkeypox outbreak linked to superspreader event at adult sauna

    Enrique Ruiz Escudero, the region’s cabinet minister for health of the community, said on Friday that health officials had traced many of Spain’s 30 monkeypox cases to a single sauna in the capital.

    • Thanks: That Would Be Telling
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Adam Smith

    You'd think in a developed civilized country, they could keep the monkeys out of the sauna!

    Thank you for the P-shop job on the WHO tweet, Adam. I had to think about it long and hard to make sure I believed it wasn't real, first.

    Replies: @Adam Smith

  94. @Bill Jones
    Is it monkeypox already? I've still got my Ukraine decorations up!

    (Stolen from I know not where)

    Replies: @Adam Smith

    • Thanks: Bill Jones
  95. @Bill Jones
    And just so Steve doesn't go all Covid on us,

    Benjamin Fulford has collected a bunch of pictures from the 2018 era that the lying media whores are now proclaiming as evidence of this outbreak.

    Page down.

    https://benjaminfulford.net/

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Macaques, eh? Looking up a bar called the Drunk’n Monkey (there is a disturbing number of these, in the US and India and likely elsewhere; though there is none listed in The Wordsworth Dictionary of Pub Names [1987/1994], which does show a Drunken Duck in Lancashire), I happened upon these videos.

  96. @AnotherDad

    “Lessons from the AIDS response show that stigma and blame directed at certain groups of people can rapidly undermine outbreak response,” the group’s statement said.
     
    The polar opposite of what happened.

    What happened was that since homosexuals were a minority and hence virtuous, the public health authorities would not do the normal, obvious public health measures, like shutting down their sodomy palaces, doing partner tracking (very difficult with homosexuals) and quarantining the infected.

    You really, really have to "work" to spread HIV, so this was relatively straightforward to crush, but only with hard measures.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    doing partner tracking (very difficult with homosexuals)

    Pretty much impossible, which is why it was abandoned early on. The initial wave of ailing men had three-digit partner counts and a history of large quanta of anonymous encounters. The other problem was that the lapse of time between seroconversion and the appearance of opportunistic infections is long. It was eventually calculated at a median of 11 years.

    and quarantining the infected.

    Put 1 million people in camps for the rest of their lives? Sounds like a plan.

    The foot dragging about shutting down the bathhouses actually was a case of liberal politicians and officialdom catering to one of their mascot groups, and offering sophistries as explanations. Public health as a field has been an embarrassment for a long time.

    What was interesting about the response to that catering is that when Mayor Koch died in 2013, some ActUp types danced on his grave, blaming him for the catastrophe (as they had done for decades; Ronald Reagan was another scapegoat). Municipal governments do not have the infrastructure to do medical research, then or now, but never mind. Oh, and Koch told the gay lobby ca. 1985 that there were competing claimants for public resources and he wasn’t writing any blank checks for their projects. That’s no way to treat Special People.

    • Replies: @JR Ewing
    @Art Deco

    Scroll through that "red pill" thread above and there is a lot of that kind of entitlement described.

    "Quit having anonymous sex. You're making other men sick!"

    "I'm gay! It's what I do. You can't stop me."

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Art Deco


    seroconversion
     
    I thought I was smart using a word, ithyphallic, that few if any here would have seen before. Then you come back with seroconversion, which I had never seen. Actually, the two go together well, for the purposes of this conversation.

    I had come across the related seropositive in a comment elsewhere about Andrew Sullivan's late-last-century networking. Does Killer Muscle Andy have monkeypox yet? He had chimponella then.

    Replies: @HammerJack

    , @mike99588
    @Art Deco

    The initial wave of ailing men had three-digit partner counts...

    * The initial wave had hyperactive men with four-digit partner counts.

  97. Anon[173] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hangnail Hans
    Steve, as much as you love fag-bashing, didn't this latest innovation arrive on a flight to London from Nairobi? Was it a gay Nigerian? I remember a couple of those from last year. Jussie spent all of six days in prison due to their treachery.

    Monkeypox is a type of orthopoxvirus and is related to smallpox but is usually less severe.
     
    Oh what a relief.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @Anon, @Hannah Katz

    Reposting this from Whitney’s column:
    Disproportionate? Well, 100% would be disproportionate.

    https://www.elperiodico.com/es/sanidad/20220518/viruela-mono-sanidad-alerta-espana-13672421

    “ La Directora General de Salud Pública de la Comunidad de Madrid, Elena Andradas, ha declarado a la Cadena Ser que “no hay ninguna mujer, son todo hombres jóvenes”.”

    .. the Community of Madrid’s General Director for Health has declared to Ser (Tv chain) that “there are no women, it’s all young men.”

    Several Saunas, including “legendary” Paraíso Sauna in Madrid have been closed, “to save Pride celebrations”

    https://okdiario.com/espana/sauna-foco-infeccion-viruela-del-mono-confirma-cierre-no-poner-peligro-orgullo-9109530

    Belgium’s cluster was linked to gay Darklands festival.

    So, people travel to foreign countries to have fun, then travel back home. I forget which Spanish health authority also mentioned that it’s not just sex, but how many partners. Spain has, unfortunately, been home to half the cases in Europe.

    Also, the remedy for this otherwise benign strain is doxycycline. From 2018, a paper that states this guy went to Nigeria, handled rat corpses with his hands and a week later pustules appeared in his penis. Go figure.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6478227/

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @Anon


    Also, the remedy for this otherwise benign strain is doxycycline.
     
    That's an antibiotic, it might be useful for a secondary infection but it was initially given based on an incorrect diagnosis. After the symptoms progressed a couple more days and they ruled out other pathogens they guessed monkeypox.

    And tested that with cell culturing, immunofluorescence assay, ELISA, transmission electron microscopy, antibodies against orthopoxvirus, and PCR, the latter revealed it was from the same Western Africa (WA) clade this outbreak is from (all that's ... they took this case really seriously...). Not sure we have enough data to label WA "benign" but the current estimate that it's <1% lethal is encouraging.

    Again, no human to human transmission out of five household members and eleven healthcare workers, only one of whom agreed to get a smallpox vaccination. As of now, we might to consider that really close contact is required. On the other hand, they worry that "The very high virus titers contained by pustules and scabs, as demonstrated in this case, increase the risk for human-to-human transmission and environmental spread."

    But it sure doesn't sound like it's well adapted to humans ... that I'm sure is what's worrying the serious public health types; to repeat, the more people who get it, the more likely a more transmissible variant will develop. And since gay men aren't necessarily known for the most robust immune systems I'd guess what's thought to have brewed Alpha and Delta is perhaps more likely.

    They mentioned another couple of ex-Nigeria cases in the U.K. and both of those guys started out with groin pustules. This guy in Israel ended up with pustules all over his body as the pictures show.
  98. Is it “homophobic” to be disgusted by this picture? It’s at the Fonti d’Abbondanza (“spring of plenty”) in Massa Marittima, Tuscany:

    The Bhutanese aren’t the only ones into ithyphallic muralism. The Guelphs did as well, if only to mock the Ghibellines.

    • Replies: @JR Ewing
    @Reg Cæsar

    Had to find a higher res picture, picture but now I get it. The tree is full of dicks.

  99. @Reg Cæsar
    Is it "homophobic" to be disgusted by this picture? It's at the Fonti d'Abbondanza ("spring of plenty") in Massa Marittima, Tuscany:


    https://s3.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/article/1/1/5/846115.jpg


    The Bhutanese aren't the only ones into ithyphallic muralism. The Guelphs did as well, if only to mock the Ghibellines.

    Replies: @JR Ewing

    Had to find a higher res picture, picture but now I get it. The tree is full of dicks.

  100. @JimDandy
    @ScarletNumber

    This context will definitely get buried:

    "Donaldson confirmed he did call Anderson "Jackie" in the first inning, but said he was referencing a 2019 Sports Illustrated article in which Anderson referred to himself as "today's Jackie Robinson." Donaldson and Anderson had previously joked about the interview, he said."


    Nothing inherently racist about teasing a guy for calling himself "today's Jackie Robinson." My guess is Tim Anderson is an opportunistic, disingenuous piece of shit. I assume Donaldson will be suspended indefinitely.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    I assume Donaldson will be suspended indefinitely

    Such pessimism. One game plus an undisclosed fine. Donaldson is appealing. In other off-topic news, former Ohio State and Washington Redskin quarterback Dwayne Haskins was killed when he was walking along the highway last month. His toxicology report came back today and his BAC was 0.20% plus ketamine in his system. The Redskins thought so highly of him when they drafted him that they let him wear 7, which was unofficially retired for Joe Theismann.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @ScarletNumber

    Yeah, drugs killed George Floyd, too, and an innocent cop will spend decades in hell as a result. That's how I got pessimistic. But, yeah, I was quite surprised by the 1-game suspension.

  101. @Art Deco
    @AnotherDad

    doing partner tracking (very difficult with homosexuals)

    Pretty much impossible, which is why it was abandoned early on. The initial wave of ailing men had three-digit partner counts and a history of large quanta of anonymous encounters. The other problem was that the lapse of time between seroconversion and the appearance of opportunistic infections is long. It was eventually calculated at a median of 11 years.



    and quarantining the infected.

    Put 1 million people in camps for the rest of their lives? Sounds like a plan.


    The foot dragging about shutting down the bathhouses actually was a case of liberal politicians and officialdom catering to one of their mascot groups, and offering sophistries as explanations. Public health as a field has been an embarrassment for a long time.


    What was interesting about the response to that catering is that when Mayor Koch died in 2013, some ActUp types danced on his grave, blaming him for the catastrophe (as they had done for decades; Ronald Reagan was another scapegoat). Municipal governments do not have the infrastructure to do medical research, then or now, but never mind. Oh, and Koch told the gay lobby ca. 1985 that there were competing claimants for public resources and he wasn't writing any blank checks for their projects. That's no way to treat Special People.

    Replies: @JR Ewing, @Reg Cæsar, @mike99588

    Scroll through that “red pill” thread above and there is a lot of that kind of entitlement described.

    “Quit having anonymous sex. You’re making other men sick!”

    “I’m gay! It’s what I do. You can’t stop me.”

  102. @Adam Smith
    @Hypnotoad666

    Monkeypox outbreak linked to superspreader event at adult sauna

    Enrique Ruiz Escudero, the region’s cabinet minister for health of the community, said on Friday that health officials had traced many of Spain’s 30 monkeypox cases to a single sauna in the capital.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    You’d think in a developed civilized country, they could keep the monkeys out of the sauna!

    Thank you for the P-shop job on the WHO tweet, Adam. I had to think about it long and hard to make sure I believed it wasn’t real, first.

    • Replies: @Adam Smith
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Lol... One would think.

    Thanks, I try to make them look as legit (or at least as plausible) as I can. I think they're best when they could pass as real, but there are usually a few give aways. (This one went over the 280 character limit, for example.)

  103. I agree! In order to avoid stigmatizing monkeys we should call this one Afro-Homopox.

  104. @Hangnail Hans
    Steve, as much as you love fag-bashing, didn't this latest innovation arrive on a flight to London from Nairobi? Was it a gay Nigerian? I remember a couple of those from last year. Jussie spent all of six days in prison due to their treachery.

    Monkeypox is a type of orthopoxvirus and is related to smallpox but is usually less severe.
     
    Oh what a relief.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @Anon, @Hannah Katz

    But it is easy to avoid. Just refuse to have intimate contact with gays or blacks. Responding for a friend. Is she allowed to say the obvious?

  105. Monkeypox likely was transmitted to humans through beastial contact with homonkey species like the bonobos
    https://www.livescience.com/44464-bonobo-homosexuality-natural.html

    https://allyouneedisbiology.wordpress.com/2015/06/17/homosexuality-animals/………
    No pun intended, the wife of hindu monkey god Hanuman was human
    https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-7233e4d017b03002ce8547d67a60482c

  106. @Art Deco
    @AnotherDad

    doing partner tracking (very difficult with homosexuals)

    Pretty much impossible, which is why it was abandoned early on. The initial wave of ailing men had three-digit partner counts and a history of large quanta of anonymous encounters. The other problem was that the lapse of time between seroconversion and the appearance of opportunistic infections is long. It was eventually calculated at a median of 11 years.



    and quarantining the infected.

    Put 1 million people in camps for the rest of their lives? Sounds like a plan.


    The foot dragging about shutting down the bathhouses actually was a case of liberal politicians and officialdom catering to one of their mascot groups, and offering sophistries as explanations. Public health as a field has been an embarrassment for a long time.


    What was interesting about the response to that catering is that when Mayor Koch died in 2013, some ActUp types danced on his grave, blaming him for the catastrophe (as they had done for decades; Ronald Reagan was another scapegoat). Municipal governments do not have the infrastructure to do medical research, then or now, but never mind. Oh, and Koch told the gay lobby ca. 1985 that there were competing claimants for public resources and he wasn't writing any blank checks for their projects. That's no way to treat Special People.

    Replies: @JR Ewing, @Reg Cæsar, @mike99588

    seroconversion

    I thought I was smart using a word, ithyphallic, that few if any here would have seen before. Then you come back with seroconversion, which I had never seen. Actually, the two go together well, for the purposes of this conversation.

    I had come across the related seropositive in a comment elsewhere about Andrew Sullivan’s late-last-century networking. Does Killer Muscle Andy have monkeypox yet? He had chimponella then.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @Reg Cæsar


    Killer Muscle Andy
     
    How many male celebs have done roids or hgh to compensate for losing their hair? Sort of makes sense, I suppose. Jeff Bezos also comes to mind. And a dozen Hollywood stars..

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Reg Cæsar

  107. ‘UN Agency Denounces ‘homophobic and Racist Stereotypes’ in Monkeypox Reporting’

    I should avoid Negroes and homosexuals?

    Thanks for the heads up.

  108. And………yeah…………well, what a surprise:

    Outbreak Of Monkeypox Linked To Massive Festival For The ‘Gay Fetish Community’

    https://dailycaller.com/2022/05/20/monkeypox-belgium-outbreak-gay-fetish-festival-darklands-antwerp/

    Although apparently it wasn’t a surprise to everyone. This “table-top security exercise”, conducted in 2021, was built around the scenario of a Monkeypox outbreak beginning in May of 2022.

    https://www.nti.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/NTI_Paper_BIO-TTX_Final.pdf

    Well, that’s weird, huh?

  109. @Adam Smith
    While most of the men who have contracted the monkeypox in the U.S.and Europe are gay homosexuals who often enjoy casual sodomy with other promiscuous men, that doesn't necessarily mean that gay men are filthy disease vectors. There is no conclusive evidence that the latest outbreak is being sexually transmitted, rather than simply being passed between men who enjoy having sex with other men within their sexual networks, LGBTTQQIAAPP+ experts say.

    Replies: @MEH 0910, @Ghost of Bull Moose

    You don’t have to be a gay man to get monkeypox- but it helps!

    • Agree: Adam Smith
  110. @Reg Cæsar
    @Art Deco


    seroconversion
     
    I thought I was smart using a word, ithyphallic, that few if any here would have seen before. Then you come back with seroconversion, which I had never seen. Actually, the two go together well, for the purposes of this conversation.

    I had come across the related seropositive in a comment elsewhere about Andrew Sullivan's late-last-century networking. Does Killer Muscle Andy have monkeypox yet? He had chimponella then.

    Replies: @HammerJack

    Killer Muscle Andy

    How many male celebs have done roids or hgh to compensate for losing their hair? Sort of makes sense, I suppose. Jeff Bezos also comes to mind. And a dozen Hollywood stars..

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @HammerJack


    How many... celebs have done 'roids or hgh to compensate for losing their hair?

     

    Jada Pinkett?


    Jada Pinkett Smith Tears Up on RTT Discussing 'Terrified Little Girl Underneath' Her 'Strong' Exterior


    I'm beginning to understand Amy Cooper.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    @HammerJack


    How many male celebs have done roids or hgh to compensate for losing their hair?

     

    Che🤰apy!
  111. @Anon
    @Hangnail Hans

    Reposting this from Whitney’s column:
    Disproportionate? Well, 100% would be disproportionate.

    https://www.elperiodico.com/es/sanidad/20220518/viruela-mono-sanidad-alerta-espana-13672421

    “ La Directora General de Salud Pública de la Comunidad de Madrid, Elena Andradas, ha declarado a la Cadena Ser que “no hay ninguna mujer, son todo hombres jóvenes”.”

    .. the Community of Madrid’s General Director for Health has declared to Ser (Tv chain) that “there are no women, it’s all young men.”

    Several Saunas, including “legendary” Paraíso Sauna in Madrid have been closed, “to save Pride celebrations”

    https://okdiario.com/espana/sauna-foco-infeccion-viruela-del-mono-confirma-cierre-no-poner-peligro-orgullo-9109530

    Belgium’s cluster was linked to gay Darklands festival.

    So, people travel to foreign countries to have fun, then travel back home. I forget which Spanish health authority also mentioned that it’s not just sex, but how many partners. Spain has, unfortunately, been home to half the cases in Europe.

    Also, the remedy for this otherwise benign strain is doxycycline. From 2018, a paper that states this guy went to Nigeria, handled rat corpses with his hands and a week later pustules appeared in his penis. Go figure.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6478227/

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    Also, the remedy for this otherwise benign strain is doxycycline.

    That’s an antibiotic, it might be useful for a secondary infection but it was initially given based on an incorrect diagnosis. After the symptoms progressed a couple more days and they ruled out other pathogens they guessed monkeypox.

    And tested that with cell culturing, immunofluorescence assay, ELISA, transmission electron microscopy, antibodies against orthopoxvirus, and PCR, the latter revealed it was from the same Western Africa (WA) clade this outbreak is from (all that’s … they took this case really seriously…). Not sure we have enough data to label WA “benign” but the current estimate that it’s <1% lethal is encouraging.

    Again, no human to human transmission out of five household members and eleven healthcare workers, only one of whom agreed to get a smallpox vaccination. As of now, we might to consider that really close contact is required. On the other hand, they worry that “The very high virus titers contained by pustules and scabs, as demonstrated in this case, increase the risk for human-to-human transmission and environmental spread.”

    But it sure doesn’t sound like it’s well adapted to humans … that I’m sure is what’s worrying the serious public health types; to repeat, the more people who get it, the more likely a more transmissible variant will develop. And since gay men aren’t necessarily known for the most robust immune systems I’d guess what’s thought to have brewed Alpha and Delta is perhaps more likely.

    They mentioned another couple of ex-Nigeria cases in the U.K. and both of those guys started out with groin pustules. This guy in Israel ended up with pustules all over his body as the pictures show.

  112. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Adam Smith

    You'd think in a developed civilized country, they could keep the monkeys out of the sauna!

    Thank you for the P-shop job on the WHO tweet, Adam. I had to think about it long and hard to make sure I believed it wasn't real, first.

    Replies: @Adam Smith

    Lol… One would think.

    Thanks, I try to make them look as legit (or at least as plausible) as I can. I think they’re best when they could pass as real, but there are usually a few give aways. (This one went over the 280 character limit, for example.)

  113. Monkeypox-

    Most effectively spread by male body fluids using an organic tool in a fashion similar to drugs and herbal remedies administered by an Enema.

    Straightforward methods of social isolation will reduce the risk of contagion to an insignificant percentage.

  114. @Roger
    I am still wondering what those stigmatizing portrayals were. Did someone say that gay Black African men have sexual relations with monkeys? Is that a stereotype? If so, maybe it should be condemned.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Bardon Kaldlan

    It gets lonely on those long sultry nights on the savannah…

  115. The Guardian with a quick demonstration of how compromised “health experts” are.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/23/what-is-monkeypox-source-cases-infections-spread-experts

    Does this mean monkeypox is sexually transmitted?

    Dr Michael Head, a senior research fellow in global health at the University of Southampton, says the latest cases may be the first time transmission of monkeypox though sexual contact has been documented, but this has not been confirmed, and in any case it is probably close contact that matters.

    “There is no evidence that it is a sexually transmitted virus, such as HIV,” Head says. “It’s more that here the close contact during sexual or intimate activity, including prolonged skin-to-skin contact, may be the key factor during transmission.”

    The UKHSA is advising gay and bisexual men, as well as other communities of men who have sex with men, to look out for unusual rashes or lesions on any part of their body, in particular their genitalia.

    Well, yes, and HIV wasn’t sexually transmitted either, it was just transmitted when mucus membranes and bodily fluids came into “close contact” !

    (and what are these “other communities of men who have sex with men” who are neither gay nor bisexual? Anyone know?)

  116. @That Would Be Telling
    @Achmed E. Newman


    Or, people could just tell them that they’re wrong about it. (Wait, they don’t, right?)
     
    Heh, but who knows? In truth the name is a mistake, its animal reservoir(s) are thought to be small rodents. But we can use the "monkey" to stigmatize the disease all we want.

    Replies: @nokangaroos

    I doubt renaming it “gerbil pox” will have a destigmatizing effect.
    “BIPox”, maybe ?

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  117. @Nachum
    Get the "logic" here: "It comes from Africa and affects gay men, but we can't say that *so that we can* deal with it better."

    Um, no. You deal with something better by *naming* those most affected. They actually did this at the beginning of covid (old people and unwell people), but perversely they shut down everyone else anyway.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    Um, no. You deal with something better by *naming* those most affected.

    Not just “affected”, but you deal with problems by naming–shaming, correcting, punishing–the people misbehaving, the people responsible.

    This is how civilization actually works. This idea we should not name the people causing trouble–and demand in no uncertain terms that they to cut it out–is absolutely toxic.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @AnotherDad

    The discussion about gays and this new desease is important. But much more important is the problem that obese people (there are a lot of obese americans), which give a lot of problems to the society.
    1° For the eyes of others, because obese people are disgusting
    2° For the money of society as whole. Because obese people are costly for the health systems.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @AnotherDad

    , @That Would Be Telling
    @AnotherDad


    This is how civilization actually works. This idea we should not name the people causing trouble–and demand in no uncertain terms that they to cut it out–is absolutely toxic.
     
    Which cuts no mustard with those trying to tear down our civilization and their use of bioleninists as foot soldiers. That more of the latter end up disabled or dying is of little matter given how fast they're being created, especially with World War T still going strong. And gays are positively passé after the gay marriage SCOTUS decision and a bit of "roam[ing] the countryside shooting the wounded" as Jon Gabriel put it on Ricochet
  118. We clearly need a whiter, WASPier disease, like Golden Retrieverpox

    • LOL: That Would Be Telling, bruce county
  119. @pyrrhus
    @AnotherDad

    No..there were only about 100k excess deaths in 2020, many of them attributable to poor medical treatment..There have been a much larger number in 2021 in the 18-64 age range, clearly attributable to the deadly vaxxes....

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    No..there were only about 100k excess deaths in 2020, many of them attributable to poor medical treatment..There have been a much larger number in 2021 in the 18-64 age range, clearly attributable to the deadly vaxxes….

    No, pyrrhus you are simply wrong.

    The CDC recorded 3,383,729 US deaths in 2020:
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm

    This was a considerable bump up from 2,854,838 in 2019
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr70/nvsr70-08-508.pdf

    And the trend which had generally been ambling up averaging +50-80k a year during the teens as the population aged.

    The establishment media lies about stuff all the time–makes excuses, turns facts upside down. They do it all the time. But there was not some elaborate conspiracy between the CDC and every country and state records office in the US to create 300K-400,000 extra deaths in 2020.

    Denying the numbers like minoritarians denying black crime or sex differences or the costs of immigration or homosexuals being massive disease vectors doesn’t help anything. “It is what it is”.

    Reality should be our–any intelligent persons–touchstone.

    • Thanks: Inquiring Mind
    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @AnotherDad


    Reality should be our–any intelligent persons–touchstone.
     
    "..."

    Many keep pointing out the Right's greatest advantage is we have the truth on our side, not the pretty or ugly lies of the Left. That turned out not to be the case with COVID.

    I'd add that if you look at the weekly excess death figures from the CDC doing the only thing I trust them for, collecting and tallying raw data, COVID (or whatever is your alternative explanation) didn't progress to significant excess deaths in first three months of 2020 until it's 113% for the week ending in 3/28/20 and then explodes to 130% for 4/4/20. On the other hand this period and for a while reflects the five Blue states' Final Solution to the Medicaid Problem. NYC also got hit extra hard, I think because it's so crowded and thus people were for example sharing elevator air beyond more obvious things like subways.

    Whatever you believe about the effects of vaccines, factor in their early limited availability really not going past healthcare workers until 2021, and they didn't become generally available for all say for the first three months. But after healthcare workers the most vulnerable were focused on per AnotherDad's preferred strategy.

    About that, there's a bit of 20/20 hindsight, the CCP/PRC wasn't sharing much useful information, it took a while for us to develop treatment protocols like always prescribing a steroid for cases serious enough to require supplemental oxygen. And to realize the effects of COVID on blood gases was weird, see "happy hypoxia" and thus the standard ventilator protocols needed adjustment, starting with minimizing their use.

    All in all I'm not sure when we started realizing the age stratification of serious cases and bad ends, and it by definition took longer to realize the significant morbidity and delayed mortality from COVID absent prior immunity. For example, per the VHA data based study, the non-hospitalized patients who survived thirty days suffered 8% excess deaths in the following six months. Which will be picked up in the excess mortality statistics but not the "death certificate says COVID" based ones.
    , @MGB
    @AnotherDad

    that's some mish mash of poor reasoning. by your own admission, deaths have been increasing 50-80k per year due to an aging population. so if we use your numbers, and follow your logic, between 50-80k of the 300-400k excess deaths are not attributable to covid. we also know that 10s of ks of the elderly died as a consequence incompetent governors' response to covid. we don't know how many of the elderly died due to long term care facilities being turning into prisons (these people are extremely fragile by definition), unable to see their families, having medical procedures delayed, etc. you also conveniently glossed over the 2021 numbers, which were still higher than 2020. why did we not see a decrease in deaths in 2021 after mass deployment of the vaccines? according to the cdc there was actually an increase in covid deaths in 2021 over 2020 (460,513 in 2021 vs. 384,536 in 2020). how does that make any sense?


    In 2021, COVID-19 was listed as the underlying or contributing cause of 460,513 deaths (111.4 per 100,000), an increase from 384,536 deaths (93.2) in 2020 (Table). In 2021, COVID-19 death rates were lowest among persons aged 1–4 (0.4) and 5–14 years (0.4) and highest among those aged ≥85 years (1,395.7). COVID-19 death rates increased from 2020 to 2021 for all age groups except for those aged ≥85 years.
     

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @That Would Be Telling

  120. Anonymous[365] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad
    @Nachum


    Um, no. You deal with something better by *naming* those most affected.
     
    Not just "affected", but you deal with problems by naming--shaming, correcting, punishing--the people misbehaving, the people responsible.

    This is how civilization actually works. This idea we should not name the people causing trouble--and demand in no uncertain terms that they to cut it out--is absolutely toxic.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @That Would Be Telling

    The discussion about gays and this new desease is important. But much more important is the problem that obese people (there are a lot of obese americans), which give a lot of problems to the society.
    1° For the eyes of others, because obese people are disgusting
    2° For the money of society as whole. Because obese people are costly for the health systems.

    • Agree: BB753
    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @Anonymous


    But much more important is the problem that obese people
     
    There's significant tension there because to our public health community infectious disease control is unfashionable and they're no longer good at it, witness the swine flu pandemic, the big Ebola outbreak, and then COVID.

    They're focused on "lifestyle" diseases including obesity. We also need to figure out the causes of the epidemic of that in the US, many suspect the fraudulent jihad against fats which started in the 1950s, but hard evidence is proving hard to find for that, at least in terms of substitution with carbohydrates.

    Replies: @MGB

    , @AnotherDad
    @Anonymous


    1° For the eyes of others, because obese people are disgusting
     
    Don't I know it. AnotherMom likes the beach, so we have retired to the beach. Eye opening.

    The state of America--even selected for those willing to waddle out onto the beach--is not pretty. Fats and tats. We are a deeply unattractive people these days.

    I wonder "what the hell happened?" Why don't the girls look like the ones I knew at college back in the 70s? Then when off in the distance, I see a young woman who still has a shape like a young woman should, there's a decent chance when we're walking on by that she'll be tatted up. (Though there is a definite correlation between undisciplined with fat, and undisciplined with tat.) When I see one who looks like a canonical pretty 70s girl ... AnotherMom practically has to pop my eyes back into my head. (Though of course, I am very discreet in my appreciation.) Even the pretty young moms with their toddlers splashing in the surf--the ones who have managed not to weigh in at "linebacker"--holy cow, she's got ugly, now stretched/sagging tats. (AnotherMom does think the tat thing is waning, among the young, but I'm not so sure.)

    Obviously cheap plentiful food and a sedentary lifestyle are the biggies. But the tats suggest a real part is just the breakdown of the basic idea of community standards and norms and disciplining yourself to them. Instead of normal Western Christian people community life, the random marketplace do-your-own-thing free for all with no standards. All that's left is pleasure--sex, drugs, eating ... mostly eating. Fats, tats, fentanyl and bastard kids.
  121. @AnotherDad
    @pyrrhus


    No..there were only about 100k excess deaths in 2020, many of them attributable to poor medical treatment..There have been a much larger number in 2021 in the 18-64 age range, clearly attributable to the deadly vaxxes….
     
    No, pyrrhus you are simply wrong.

    The CDC recorded 3,383,729 US deaths in 2020:
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm

    This was a considerable bump up from 2,854,838 in 2019
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr70/nvsr70-08-508.pdf

    And the trend which had generally been ambling up averaging +50-80k a year during the teens as the population aged.

    The establishment media lies about stuff all the time--makes excuses, turns facts upside down. They do it all the time. But there was not some elaborate conspiracy between the CDC and every country and state records office in the US to create 300K-400,000 extra deaths in 2020.

    Denying the numbers like minoritarians denying black crime or sex differences or the costs of immigration or homosexuals being massive disease vectors doesn't help anything. "It is what it is".

    Reality should be our--any intelligent persons--touchstone.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @MGB

    Reality should be our–any intelligent persons–touchstone.

    “…”

    Many keep pointing out the Right’s greatest advantage is we have the truth on our side, not the pretty or ugly lies of the Left. That turned out not to be the case with COVID.

    I’d add that if you look at the weekly excess death figures from the CDC doing the only thing I trust them for, collecting and tallying raw data, COVID (or whatever is your alternative explanation) didn’t progress to significant excess deaths in first three months of 2020 until it’s 113% for the week ending in 3/28/20 and then explodes to 130% for 4/4/20. On the other hand this period and for a while reflects the five Blue states’ Final Solution to the Medicaid Problem. NYC also got hit extra hard, I think because it’s so crowded and thus people were for example sharing elevator air beyond more obvious things like subways.

    Whatever you believe about the effects of vaccines, factor in their early limited availability really not going past healthcare workers until 2021, and they didn’t become generally available for all say for the first three months. But after healthcare workers the most vulnerable were focused on per AnotherDad’s preferred strategy.

    About that, there’s a bit of 20/20 hindsight, the CCP/PRC wasn’t sharing much useful information, it took a while for us to develop treatment protocols like always prescribing a steroid for cases serious enough to require supplemental oxygen. And to realize the effects of COVID on blood gases was weird, see “happy hypoxia” and thus the standard ventilator protocols needed adjustment, starting with minimizing their use.

    All in all I’m not sure when we started realizing the age stratification of serious cases and bad ends, and it by definition took longer to realize the significant morbidity and delayed mortality from COVID absent prior immunity. For example, per the VHA data based study, the non-hospitalized patients who survived thirty days suffered 8% excess deaths in the following six months. Which will be picked up in the excess mortality statistics but not the “death certificate says COVID” based ones.

  122. @AnotherDad
    @Nachum


    Um, no. You deal with something better by *naming* those most affected.
     
    Not just "affected", but you deal with problems by naming--shaming, correcting, punishing--the people misbehaving, the people responsible.

    This is how civilization actually works. This idea we should not name the people causing trouble--and demand in no uncertain terms that they to cut it out--is absolutely toxic.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @That Would Be Telling

    This is how civilization actually works. This idea we should not name the people causing trouble–and demand in no uncertain terms that they to cut it out–is absolutely toxic.

    Which cuts no mustard with those trying to tear down our civilization and their use of bioleninists as foot soldiers. That more of the latter end up disabled or dying is of little matter given how fast they’re being created, especially with World War T still going strong. And gays are positively passé after the gay marriage SCOTUS decision and a bit of “roam[ing] the countryside shooting the wounded” as Jon Gabriel put it on Ricochet

    • Thanks: MEH 0910
  123. @Anonymous
    @AnotherDad

    The discussion about gays and this new desease is important. But much more important is the problem that obese people (there are a lot of obese americans), which give a lot of problems to the society.
    1° For the eyes of others, because obese people are disgusting
    2° For the money of society as whole. Because obese people are costly for the health systems.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @AnotherDad

    But much more important is the problem that obese people

    There’s significant tension there because to our public health community infectious disease control is unfashionable and they’re no longer good at it, witness the swine flu pandemic, the big Ebola outbreak, and then COVID.

    They’re focused on “lifestyle” diseases including obesity. We also need to figure out the causes of the epidemic of that in the US, many suspect the fraudulent jihad against fats which started in the 1950s, but hard evidence is proving hard to find for that, at least in terms of substitution with carbohydrates.

    • Replies: @MGB
    @That Would Be Telling

    it's simple. people spending more and more time engaged in passive activities like TV watching, scrolling through their smart phone, and less and less time outdoors. there was a study i read from the UK (i wished i had saved it), that showed the radius that children traveled from their home on foot was continually shrinking since the 50s. part of that has to do with the mass availability of cars, and part, i suspect, has to do with the growing cohort of hysterical mothers worrying about sex pests and disease carrying ticks, skinned knees from bikes, etc. when i was a pre-drivers license kid, i went everywhere on foot or on bike, no matter the weather. i can go a week or more now without seeing a single kid on a bike.

  124. MGB says:
    @AnotherDad
    @pyrrhus


    No..there were only about 100k excess deaths in 2020, many of them attributable to poor medical treatment..There have been a much larger number in 2021 in the 18-64 age range, clearly attributable to the deadly vaxxes….
     
    No, pyrrhus you are simply wrong.

    The CDC recorded 3,383,729 US deaths in 2020:
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm

    This was a considerable bump up from 2,854,838 in 2019
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr70/nvsr70-08-508.pdf

    And the trend which had generally been ambling up averaging +50-80k a year during the teens as the population aged.

    The establishment media lies about stuff all the time--makes excuses, turns facts upside down. They do it all the time. But there was not some elaborate conspiracy between the CDC and every country and state records office in the US to create 300K-400,000 extra deaths in 2020.

    Denying the numbers like minoritarians denying black crime or sex differences or the costs of immigration or homosexuals being massive disease vectors doesn't help anything. "It is what it is".

    Reality should be our--any intelligent persons--touchstone.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @MGB

    that’s some mish mash of poor reasoning. by your own admission, deaths have been increasing 50-80k per year due to an aging population. so if we use your numbers, and follow your logic, between 50-80k of the 300-400k excess deaths are not attributable to covid. we also know that 10s of ks of the elderly died as a consequence incompetent governors’ response to covid. we don’t know how many of the elderly died due to long term care facilities being turning into prisons (these people are extremely fragile by definition), unable to see their families, having medical procedures delayed, etc. you also conveniently glossed over the 2021 numbers, which were still higher than 2020. why did we not see a decrease in deaths in 2021 after mass deployment of the vaccines? according to the cdc there was actually an increase in covid deaths in 2021 over 2020 (460,513 in 2021 vs. 384,536 in 2020). how does that make any sense?

    In 2021, COVID-19 was listed as the underlying or contributing cause of 460,513 deaths (111.4 per 100,000), an increase from 384,536 deaths (93.2) in 2020 (Table). In 2021, COVID-19 death rates were lowest among persons aged 1–4 (0.4) and 5–14 years (0.4) and highest among those aged ≥85 years (1,395.7). COVID-19 death rates increased from 2020 to 2021 for all age groups except for those aged ≥85 years.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @MGB


    that’s some mish mash of poor reasoning.
     
    No it is solid reasoning. Yours is a "mishmash".

    so if we use your numbers, and follow your logic, between 50-80k of the 300-400k excess deaths are not attributable to covid.
     
    Geez, you did not even bother to do the trivial 2nd grade math. The difference 2020-2019 deaths--numbers sitting right there in plain view in my comment is (3,383,729-2,854,838) is 530K. Peel off a generous 100K for aging trend and you have 400K. The CDC attributes 350Kish of those to Covid.

    we also know that 10s of ks of the elderly died as a consequence incompetent governors’ response to covid
     
    Those are Covid deaths. If you are going to criticize Cuomo's disastrous response--which I certainly do--it is because the Fauci actually does kill old people, so shipping infected people back into nursing/long-term-care homes to infect other old people is criminal. If the Fauci was a nothing burger, then shipping them back would be fine.

    we don’t know how many of the elderly died due to long term care facilities being turning into prisons
     
    Correct. Lots of old people I know hated this tradeoff. My dad included. He was a tough enough nut to just check himself out and drive down to my place for dinner. Be he died in early 2021 in large part because AnotherBrother and I could not get in easily to see him. (Though again--when you're in your 90s, you have had a very good run and every day is a crap shoot.)

    But ... this issue does not remotely account for the huge surge in deaths. People with the Fauci dying in hospitals.

    you also conveniently glossed over the 2021 numbers, which were still higher than 2020. why did we not see a decrease in deaths in 2021 after mass deployment of the vaccines? according to the cdc there was actually an increase in covid deaths in 2021 over 2020 (460,513 in 2021 vs. 384,536 in 2020). how does that make any sense?
     
    I did not gloss over them. I did not mention them in this comment. I've said in other comments that there have been approaching 1 million Fauci deaths in the US, in the last two years. Which debunks the "just the flu bro" nonsense.

    There is absolutely nothing inexplicable about the 2021 deaths.
    -- way more people were infected in 2021; 2020 started from zero did not have the base of infected
    -- 2020 did not have the Fauci running basically at all during the first three months of the year which is the tail of your "flu season". 2021 had more or less a whole "flu season" cycle (though it was Omicron at the end)
    -- even old people generally were not vaccinated until spring of 2021 past the end of the "flu season"
    -- the Delta variant was worse--more lethal--than "original recipe"
    -- lots of people were not vaccinated and that's where the deaths were concentrated during the Delta wave.

    All this is obvious to anyone even trying to look at the data.

    I'd predict, 2022 will actually have far fewer deaths. Because
    -- the Omicron variant is much, much milder. Now something much closer to "just the flu".
    -- more people have either had it
    -- more people are vaccinated.

    So I'd predict we'll peal off a couple/three hundred thousand deaths from 2021 and be back down more toward the long term trend--which would be 3 million-ish now.

    ~~

    Seriously throwing a bunch of random shit around trying--utterly lamely--explain away a huge, obvious bump in death rate, is just stupid. It mirrors the minoritarian wokies, trying to explain away the post-Flyod-OD crime wave that they induced by blaming "Covid" and "guns".

    Conservatives, traditionalists, nationalists, normies need to be on the side of empirical reality. Making up shit like the minoritarians does not do us any good.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    , @That Would Be Telling
    @MGB


    why did we not see a decrease in deaths in 2021 after mass deployment of the vaccines?
     
    Many things help explain this:

    * Lots of people refused to take the vaccines, whites largely because of people on the Right making the worst own goal since Watergate. Uptake by blacks was also bad and they're at higher risk. In general I'd say we're an unserious people.

    * Many believed the problem was solved because people were getting vaccinated, even if they hadn't gotten it or threw a party before it could be effective.

    * As previously mentioned, 2021 was a full year of COVID, 2020 three fourths of a year.
    * Non-Pharmaceutical Interventions (NPIs such as lock-down) fatigue.

    * In my local region of deep Red state flyover country we kept the curve bent in 2020 and failed for the Delta wave which caused needless excess deaths, and fairly early in 2021 the vast majority of bad outcomes were unvaccinated.

    * The serially much more effective at transmission Alpha and Delta variants which were also serially more lethal than classic Wuhan.

    The last deserves more discussion: they and Omicron in sequence caused a lot of existing NPIs and general avoidance systems to fail, something we saw all the way to the level of entire countries.

    TL;DR: If you want to make a real case for your thesis you'll have to consider many more variables.

    And one step in that should be really listening to what STEM people like AnotherDad are saying about the data instead of thinking this is a game of rhetoric. To paraphrase Jonathan Swift we're not going to be able to reason you out of a position you didn't reason yourself into in the first place.

    Replies: @MGB, @Brutusale

  125. MGB says:
    @That Would Be Telling
    @Anonymous


    But much more important is the problem that obese people
     
    There's significant tension there because to our public health community infectious disease control is unfashionable and they're no longer good at it, witness the swine flu pandemic, the big Ebola outbreak, and then COVID.

    They're focused on "lifestyle" diseases including obesity. We also need to figure out the causes of the epidemic of that in the US, many suspect the fraudulent jihad against fats which started in the 1950s, but hard evidence is proving hard to find for that, at least in terms of substitution with carbohydrates.

    Replies: @MGB

    it’s simple. people spending more and more time engaged in passive activities like TV watching, scrolling through their smart phone, and less and less time outdoors. there was a study i read from the UK (i wished i had saved it), that showed the radius that children traveled from their home on foot was continually shrinking since the 50s. part of that has to do with the mass availability of cars, and part, i suspect, has to do with the growing cohort of hysterical mothers worrying about sex pests and disease carrying ticks, skinned knees from bikes, etc. when i was a pre-drivers license kid, i went everywhere on foot or on bike, no matter the weather. i can go a week or more now without seeing a single kid on a bike.

  126. @Anonymous
    @AnotherDad

    The discussion about gays and this new desease is important. But much more important is the problem that obese people (there are a lot of obese americans), which give a lot of problems to the society.
    1° For the eyes of others, because obese people are disgusting
    2° For the money of society as whole. Because obese people are costly for the health systems.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @AnotherDad

    1° For the eyes of others, because obese people are disgusting

    Don’t I know it. AnotherMom likes the beach, so we have retired to the beach. Eye opening.

    The state of America–even selected for those willing to waddle out onto the beach–is not pretty. Fats and tats. We are a deeply unattractive people these days.

    I wonder “what the hell happened?” Why don’t the girls look like the ones I knew at college back in the 70s? Then when off in the distance, I see a young woman who still has a shape like a young woman should, there’s a decent chance when we’re walking on by that she’ll be tatted up. (Though there is a definite correlation between undisciplined with fat, and undisciplined with tat.) When I see one who looks like a canonical pretty 70s girl … AnotherMom practically has to pop my eyes back into my head. (Though of course, I am very discreet in my appreciation.) Even the pretty young moms with their toddlers splashing in the surf–the ones who have managed not to weigh in at “linebacker”–holy cow, she’s got ugly, now stretched/sagging tats. (AnotherMom does think the tat thing is waning, among the young, but I’m not so sure.)

    Obviously cheap plentiful food and a sedentary lifestyle are the biggies. But the tats suggest a real part is just the breakdown of the basic idea of community standards and norms and disciplining yourself to them. Instead of normal Western Christian people community life, the random marketplace do-your-own-thing free for all with no standards. All that’s left is pleasure–sex, drugs, eating … mostly eating. Fats, tats, fentanyl and bastard kids.

    • Agree: bruce county
  127. @ScarletNumber
    @JimDandy


    I assume Donaldson will be suspended indefinitely
     
    Such pessimism. One game plus an undisclosed fine. Donaldson is appealing. In other off-topic news, former Ohio State and Washington Redskin quarterback Dwayne Haskins was killed when he was walking along the highway last month. His toxicology report came back today and his BAC was 0.20% plus ketamine in his system. The Redskins thought so highly of him when they drafted him that they let him wear 7, which was unofficially retired for Joe Theismann.

    Replies: @JimDandy

    Yeah, drugs killed George Floyd, too, and an innocent cop will spend decades in hell as a result. That’s how I got pessimistic. But, yeah, I was quite surprised by the 1-game suspension.

    • Agree: ScarletNumber
  128. @MGB
    @AnotherDad

    that's some mish mash of poor reasoning. by your own admission, deaths have been increasing 50-80k per year due to an aging population. so if we use your numbers, and follow your logic, between 50-80k of the 300-400k excess deaths are not attributable to covid. we also know that 10s of ks of the elderly died as a consequence incompetent governors' response to covid. we don't know how many of the elderly died due to long term care facilities being turning into prisons (these people are extremely fragile by definition), unable to see their families, having medical procedures delayed, etc. you also conveniently glossed over the 2021 numbers, which were still higher than 2020. why did we not see a decrease in deaths in 2021 after mass deployment of the vaccines? according to the cdc there was actually an increase in covid deaths in 2021 over 2020 (460,513 in 2021 vs. 384,536 in 2020). how does that make any sense?


    In 2021, COVID-19 was listed as the underlying or contributing cause of 460,513 deaths (111.4 per 100,000), an increase from 384,536 deaths (93.2) in 2020 (Table). In 2021, COVID-19 death rates were lowest among persons aged 1–4 (0.4) and 5–14 years (0.4) and highest among those aged ≥85 years (1,395.7). COVID-19 death rates increased from 2020 to 2021 for all age groups except for those aged ≥85 years.
     

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @That Would Be Telling

    that’s some mish mash of poor reasoning.

    No it is solid reasoning. Yours is a “mishmash”.

    so if we use your numbers, and follow your logic, between 50-80k of the 300-400k excess deaths are not attributable to covid.

    Geez, you did not even bother to do the trivial 2nd grade math. The difference 2020-2019 deaths–numbers sitting right there in plain view in my comment is (3,383,729-2,854,838) is 530K. Peel off a generous 100K for aging trend and you have 400K. The CDC attributes 350Kish of those to Covid.

    we also know that 10s of ks of the elderly died as a consequence incompetent governors’ response to covid

    Those are Covid deaths. If you are going to criticize Cuomo’s disastrous response–which I certainly do–it is because the Fauci actually does kill old people, so shipping infected people back into nursing/long-term-care homes to infect other old people is criminal. If the Fauci was a nothing burger, then shipping them back would be fine.

    we don’t know how many of the elderly died due to long term care facilities being turning into prisons

    Correct. Lots of old people I know hated this tradeoff. My dad included. He was a tough enough nut to just check himself out and drive down to my place for dinner. Be he died in early 2021 in large part because AnotherBrother and I could not get in easily to see him. (Though again–when you’re in your 90s, you have had a very good run and every day is a crap shoot.)

    But … this issue does not remotely account for the huge surge in deaths. People with the Fauci dying in hospitals.

    you also conveniently glossed over the 2021 numbers, which were still higher than 2020. why did we not see a decrease in deaths in 2021 after mass deployment of the vaccines? according to the cdc there was actually an increase in covid deaths in 2021 over 2020 (460,513 in 2021 vs. 384,536 in 2020). how does that make any sense?

    I did not gloss over them. I did not mention them in this comment. I’ve said in other comments that there have been approaching 1 million Fauci deaths in the US, in the last two years. Which debunks the “just the flu bro” nonsense.

    There is absolutely nothing inexplicable about the 2021 deaths.
    — way more people were infected in 2021; 2020 started from zero did not have the base of infected
    — 2020 did not have the Fauci running basically at all during the first three months of the year which is the tail of your “flu season”. 2021 had more or less a whole “flu season” cycle (though it was Omicron at the end)
    — even old people generally were not vaccinated until spring of 2021 past the end of the “flu season”
    — the Delta variant was worse–more lethal–than “original recipe”
    — lots of people were not vaccinated and that’s where the deaths were concentrated during the Delta wave.

    All this is obvious to anyone even trying to look at the data.

    I’d predict, 2022 will actually have far fewer deaths. Because
    — the Omicron variant is much, much milder. Now something much closer to “just the flu”.
    — more people have either had it
    — more people are vaccinated.

    So I’d predict we’ll peal off a couple/three hundred thousand deaths from 2021 and be back down more toward the long term trend–which would be 3 million-ish now.

    ~~

    Seriously throwing a bunch of random shit around trying–utterly lamely–explain away a huge, obvious bump in death rate, is just stupid. It mirrors the minoritarian wokies, trying to explain away the post-Flyod-OD crime wave that they induced by blaming “Covid” and “guns”.

    Conservatives, traditionalists, nationalists, normies need to be on the side of empirical reality. Making up shit like the minoritarians does not do us any good.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Thanks: That Would Be Telling
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @AnotherDad

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/05/23/22/58191799-10846969-image-a-71_1653340642850.jpg


    "The number of Covid deaths over the winter was similar to those caused by flu in previous years, official figures have revealed.

    Deaths caused by the virus rocketed during the first waves of the pandemic before a vaccine was developed and rolled out.

    This, along with immunity from natural infection, now means the Covid mortality rate has 'fallen more in line' with that of flu or pneumonia during pre-pandemic years."
     

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10846969/Winter-deaths-Covid-no-worse-flu.html

    So it's now more like "just the flu, bro", but it wasn't like that in 2020.

  129. anon[232] • Disclaimer says:

    You know, I kind of missed the gay monkeys during the covid pandemic. As one of the greatest disease vectors known to x-kind, they should have figured much more prominently – even proudly – in the covid spread. It’s good to see them back on form with this monkey thing. We should be treated to a very entertaining summer of Pox Rights parades. But will Fauci require they wear masks over their jock straps?

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @anon


    You know, I kind of missed the gay monkeys during the covid pandemic. As one of the greatest disease vectors known to x-kind, they should have figured much more prominently – even proudly – in the covid spread.
     
    Nah, we kept the caged up and used them for the animal experiments the vaccine truthers claim were never done for the vaccines (even before COVID for MERS candidates, although I don't know or remember which animals were used for the ones in the lab in addition to camels outside).

    As for proper protection for these miscreants when they escape into the wild, there was a low energy truck crash sometime last year I think it was, pretty sure their handlers will wait until Saint Fauci personally volunteers to get his hands duty for that duty. Hard enough as it is to handle Non-human primates (NHPs) from what I've heard.
  130. @MGB
    @AnotherDad

    that's some mish mash of poor reasoning. by your own admission, deaths have been increasing 50-80k per year due to an aging population. so if we use your numbers, and follow your logic, between 50-80k of the 300-400k excess deaths are not attributable to covid. we also know that 10s of ks of the elderly died as a consequence incompetent governors' response to covid. we don't know how many of the elderly died due to long term care facilities being turning into prisons (these people are extremely fragile by definition), unable to see their families, having medical procedures delayed, etc. you also conveniently glossed over the 2021 numbers, which were still higher than 2020. why did we not see a decrease in deaths in 2021 after mass deployment of the vaccines? according to the cdc there was actually an increase in covid deaths in 2021 over 2020 (460,513 in 2021 vs. 384,536 in 2020). how does that make any sense?


    In 2021, COVID-19 was listed as the underlying or contributing cause of 460,513 deaths (111.4 per 100,000), an increase from 384,536 deaths (93.2) in 2020 (Table). In 2021, COVID-19 death rates were lowest among persons aged 1–4 (0.4) and 5–14 years (0.4) and highest among those aged ≥85 years (1,395.7). COVID-19 death rates increased from 2020 to 2021 for all age groups except for those aged ≥85 years.
     

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @That Would Be Telling

    why did we not see a decrease in deaths in 2021 after mass deployment of the vaccines?

    Many things help explain this:

    * Lots of people refused to take the vaccines, whites largely because of people on the Right making the worst own goal since Watergate. Uptake by blacks was also bad and they’re at higher risk. In general I’d say we’re an unserious people.

    * Many believed the problem was solved because people were getting vaccinated, even if they hadn’t gotten it or threw a party before it could be effective.

    * As previously mentioned, 2021 was a full year of COVID, 2020 three fourths of a year.
    * Non-Pharmaceutical Interventions (NPIs such as lock-down) fatigue.

    * In my local region of deep Red state flyover country we kept the curve bent in 2020 and failed for the Delta wave which caused needless excess deaths, and fairly early in 2021 the vast majority of bad outcomes were unvaccinated.

    * The serially much more effective at transmission Alpha and Delta variants which were also serially more lethal than classic Wuhan.

    The last deserves more discussion: they and Omicron in sequence caused a lot of existing NPIs and general avoidance systems to fail, something we saw all the way to the level of entire countries.

    TL;DR: If you want to make a real case for your thesis you’ll have to consider many more variables.

    And one step in that should be really listening to what STEM people like AnotherDad are saying about the data instead of thinking this is a game of rhetoric. To paraphrase Jonathan Swift we’re not going to be able to reason you out of a position you didn’t reason yourself into in the first place.

    • Thanks: Inquiring Mind
    • Replies: @MGB
    @That Would Be Telling

    1. 2020 was not 3/4 of a year with covid. the first lab confirmed case was in 1/2020, and it is not a stretch to presume that the virus was circulating well before that. if irc, physicians were actually being discouraged from taking samples and doing testing early in 2020, particularly in the pacific NW, where there was a reported outbreak, so there were at least a few months when the virus was circulating, but numbers were not collected. (some chinese-american doctor was trying to sort out the flu sufferers from covid sufferers in WA, but was chased off as her proposal to use samples collected to study the flu for covid analysis instead was considered unethical, because people didn't volunteer for a covid study, i believe was the rationale. we could get into the whole 'disappearing flu' debate, and the irony of concerns over ethics given the draconian measures later taken, but i don't have the time.)
    2. the most feeble had already passed in 2020 and a significant number of persons should have acquired natural immunity, or were vaccinated (0ver 62% of total US population 'fully vaccinated' by the end of 2021, presumably including the vast majority of the elderly and infirm), so, no, it does not make sense that more people would die from covid in 2021.



    3. yes, that's some real fine detail re the data. 'lots of people' refused to take the vaccine. how do you plot 'lots on people' on your graph? in my region of the country, lots more took the vaccine than refused it, in fact were literally begging for it, and the government data shows that covid deaths per million were not any less in my state than in the so-called anti-vaxxer states such as FL. some people attribute this to the differing climates, demographics, etc. which may be turn out to be the case, but for now all it is is some spit balling.
    4. in response to AD's snarky comment that deaths caused by governors' incompetence are still covid deaths, no that is not accurate. if i have a golf ball lodged in my throat, and the ER doctor sends me away with an inhaler, and i later suffocate to death, then the doctor is at fault. dipshit cuomo had advice as to the probable outcome of sending elderly patients back to LTCs. so he pulled sick patients out of the hospital, to return them to facilities with lesser medical resources, to die and to infect others. the deaths of the infected, and those they later infected and died, are his responsibility, and are not the inevitable, natural outcome of the virus were it not for his stupidity.
    5. please, enough of your diploma, dick waiving. STEM people are as corruptible as any. The CDC/NIH/NIAID had years of data on the transmission and transmissibility of respiratory viruses, including the original SARS, and yet they were ultimately responsible for the clusterfuck of a response. you'll have to forgive the jaded who tire of the 'who could have seen this coming' chorus after every foreseeable catastrophe. fauci: masks don't work. no, they work, but we wanted to conserve our supply for the health care industry. wait, they work for you when you are in public, but i don't need to wear them when i am in public. wait, clothe masks don't work. etc. everything i read at the start of this shit show concluded that cloth and surgical masks did not prevent the transmission of respiratory viruses, and that conclusion was included in the 2018 OSHA guidelines; only properly fitted n95s were effective. just adding 'novel' to the name of a respiratory virus does not upend decades of research on respiratory viruses and the prevention of their transmission. the same with the likelihood of transmission outdoors. earlier this year, some STEM guy from Brown U. medical school was on Good Morning America acknowledging that 'we've known for some time that the risk of transmission outdoors is negligible' or words to that effect. yet, for two academic years healthy young adults were quarantined in their dorm rooms, prevented from leaving except to pick up meals from the chow hall. they were masked of course while they walked across the quad to pick up lunch, because, you know STEM people and their enforcers told them to. do you think, as a group they are healthier mentally and physically as a consequence of being shut in their dorm cell for months at a time? you STEM-tards just can't resist putting on your cape to save the world with some magic, newly minted technology, to the exclusion of any other solutions. (see the 'nazi war on cancer', where, ironically, the loss of brilliant jewish scientific innovators did not cause a worsening in overall health. it turns out it was the little things, the less stunningly brilliant things, that had the greatest impact on health outcomes in general.) but it's vaccines to the rescue, from an industry that is more frequently fined for its malfeasance than any other, except perhaps banking. hardly a word has been said about the list of co-morbidities, and why we aren't engaging in a war on obesity or diabetes, instead of trying to vaccinate our way out of a crisis. a pill for every ill, and not one penny for health.
    6. in my experience, when people are jerked around, ordered to dig and refill holes, eventually they lose interest. i assume, although i don't know, that if there was an organized effort to protect the vulnerable, with reasonable steps taken by others, there would have been a much more sustained, consistent effort in general. much of the original bullying has simply disappeared from the narrative, with no explanation. 'flatten the curve' i heard people screaming at me from their apartments as i walked down the side walk. where did that go? in my opinion the botched response will inevitably lead to greater skepticism in the case of another, similar event, splitting the country into a large population of STEM swallowers who will uncritically accept the narrative, and others who will reflexively dismiss advice. there has been a series of lies from serial liars from the start, and now you STEM guys come to explain how the small minded have fucked things up by failing to follow your advice. your advice, on balance, has been contradictory and ineffective, so forgive us for noticing.

    , @Brutusale
    @That Would Be Telling

    Since the recent outbreak, the girlfriend's Covid floor is consistently between 60%-70% fully vaxxed.

    That's hospitalized, not sitting at home with the sniffles.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @MGB

  131. bruce county says:

    Just some numbers regarding “social contact” Steve likes numbers…

    CDC estimates that, as of 2019, about 1.2 million people in the U.S. have HIV. In 2019, Black people accounted for 13% of the U.S. population but 40% (479,300) of people with HIV.
    BLACK MEN accounted for three-quarters of new HIV infections among all Black people in the United States in 2019, with 82% of infections attributed to male-to-male sexual contact. Furthermore, data show Black gay and bisexual men were less likely to receive an HIV diagnosis, use pre-exposure prophylaxis (PrEP) to prevent HIV
    Additionally, a recent CDC studypdf icon found that BLACK TRANSGENDER WOMEN accounted for 62% of HIV infections among transgender women with HIV living in seven major U.S. cities.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @bruce county


    CDC estimates that, as of 2019, about 1.2 million people in the U.S. have HIV. In 2019, Black people accounted for 13% of the U.S. population but 40% (479,300) of people with HIV.
     
    Good for you the Underground Railroad was shut down in 1866!

    Not that many got beyond Chatham anyway. Bruce County was always safe. The Georgian Triangle was a bit too chilly, I guess, much like the UP across the lake.

    Replies: @bruce county

  132. @HammerJack
    @Reg Cæsar


    Killer Muscle Andy
     
    How many male celebs have done roids or hgh to compensate for losing their hair? Sort of makes sense, I suppose. Jeff Bezos also comes to mind. And a dozen Hollywood stars..

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Reg Cæsar

    How many… celebs have done ‘roids or hgh to compensate for losing their hair?

    Jada Pinkett?

    Jada Pinkett Smith Tears Up on RTT Discussing ‘Terrified Little Girl Underneath’ Her ‘Strong’ Exterior

    I’m beginning to understand Amy Cooper.

  133. @bruce county
    Just some numbers regarding "social contact" Steve likes numbers...

    CDC estimates that, as of 2019, about 1.2 million people in the U.S. have HIV. In 2019, Black people accounted for 13% of the U.S. population but 40% (479,300) of people with HIV.
    BLACK MEN accounted for three-quarters of new HIV infections among all Black people in the United States in 2019, with 82% of infections attributed to male-to-male sexual contact. Furthermore, data show Black gay and bisexual men were less likely to receive an HIV diagnosis, use pre-exposure prophylaxis (PrEP) to prevent HIV
    Additionally, a recent CDC studypdf icon found that BLACK TRANSGENDER WOMEN accounted for 62% of HIV infections among transgender women with HIV living in seven major U.S. cities.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    CDC estimates that, as of 2019, about 1.2 million people in the U.S. have HIV. In 2019, Black people accounted for 13% of the U.S. population but 40% (479,300) of people with HIV.

    Good for you the Underground Railroad was shut down in 1866!

    Not that many got beyond Chatham anyway. Bruce County was always safe. The Georgian Triangle was a bit too chilly, I guess, much like the UP across the lake.

    • Replies: @bruce county
    @Reg Cæsar


    Bruce County was always safe
     
    Yep..Pretty much. Our biggest concern is avoiding Mennonites in the horse drawn carriages.

    Dot Indians and Pakistanis seem to like it up here...

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  134. @anon
    You know, I kind of missed the gay monkeys during the covid pandemic. As one of the greatest disease vectors known to x-kind, they should have figured much more prominently - even proudly - in the covid spread. It's good to see them back on form with this monkey thing. We should be treated to a very entertaining summer of Pox Rights parades. But will Fauci require they wear masks over their jock straps?

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    You know, I kind of missed the gay monkeys during the covid pandemic. As one of the greatest disease vectors known to x-kind, they should have figured much more prominently – even proudly – in the covid spread.

    Nah, we kept the caged up and used them for the animal experiments the vaccine truthers claim were never done for the vaccines (even before COVID for MERS candidates, although I don’t know or remember which animals were used for the ones in the lab in addition to camels outside).

    As for proper protection for these miscreants when they escape into the wild, there was a low energy truck crash sometime last year I think it was, pretty sure their handlers will wait until Saint Fauci personally volunteers to get his hands duty for that duty. Hard enough as it is to handle Non-human primates (NHPs) from what I’ve heard.

  135. bruce county says:
    @Reg Cæsar
    @bruce county


    CDC estimates that, as of 2019, about 1.2 million people in the U.S. have HIV. In 2019, Black people accounted for 13% of the U.S. population but 40% (479,300) of people with HIV.
     
    Good for you the Underground Railroad was shut down in 1866!

    Not that many got beyond Chatham anyway. Bruce County was always safe. The Georgian Triangle was a bit too chilly, I guess, much like the UP across the lake.

    Replies: @bruce county

    Bruce County was always safe

    Yep..Pretty much. Our biggest concern is avoiding Mennonites in the horse drawn carriages.

    Dot Indians and Pakistanis seem to like it up here…

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @bruce county


    Our biggest concern is avoiding Mennonites in the horse drawn carriages.
     
    The extra-wide shoulders to the east and west of London* are there to accommodate the Amish. I've never seen this in the States. Don't they have these farther to the north?

    Is your milk sold in bags? Do they still say "farther" in Canada? (It's dying out in the UK, and misused in the US.) Anyway, Happy Victoria Day! The law say it was yesterday, but it's really today.


    *BC knows what I'm talking about, but for the others here, the reference is to J Philippe Rushton's London, not Sadiq Khan's.

  136. @Anon
    OT

    Apparently, there is black-white wealth inequity because:

    1. Redlining

    2. Beach property owned by blacks generations ago was taken with eminent domain

    3. And so on

    Reparations in various forms will fix this.

    That's the story.

    News item:

    Celebrity-endorsed NFTs leave some investors ‘financially crippled’
    https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/celebrity-endorsed-nfts-leave-investors-financially-crippled-rcna27705

    1. Floyd Mayweather started touting the "Bored Bunny NFT" on Twitter, accompanied by a photo of himself dressed in a Louis Vuitton vest with a diamond bracelet, a necklace and a gold watch

    2. Miami property manager "Tyler" was "looking for investment opportunities"

    3. Tyler "put together $12,000," part of which he talked his mother into contributing, to buy a bunny digital NFT file

    4. Note: Tyler, who is 35, didn't even have a spare $12,000, but he was "looking for investment opportunities"; Tyler thinks that people with, say, no more than $6,000 in the bank should be "investing" rather than worrying about how far $6,000 is going to go if he loses his job

    5. Turns out, there is no market for bunny NFTs, and now Tyler is "financially crippled," and blames Mayweather

    https://www.boredbunny.io/images/img_round2.png

    (Image of NFT used without permission of the NFT "owner")

    Replies: @MEH 0910


    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/sarahemerson/seth-green-bored-ape-stolen-tv-show

    Actor and producer Seth Green was robbed of several NFTs this month after succumbing to a phishing scam that inadvertently threw a monkey wrench into the plan for his new animated series. The forthcoming show was developed from characters in Green’s expansive NFT collection, but in light of the recent hack, the project’s blatant crypto optimism has become a tragically ironic reminder of the industry’s shadier side.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @MEH 0910

    https://twitter.com/redlettermedia/status/1528796914287841286
    https://twitter.com/redlettermedia/status/1529192128819212289

    , @MEH 0910
    @MEH 0910

    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/sarahemerson/seth-green-bored-ape-nft-returned
    https://twitter.com/SarahNEmerson/status/1534964674457837568

  137. @MEH 0910
    @Anon

    https://twitter.com/SethGreen/status/1526588358859759617
    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/sarahemerson/seth-green-bored-ape-stolen-tv-show
    https://twitter.com/SethGreen/status/1529191356660215808


    Actor and producer Seth Green was robbed of several NFTs this month after succumbing to a phishing scam that inadvertently threw a monkey wrench into the plan for his new animated series. The forthcoming show was developed from characters in Green’s expansive NFT collection, but in light of the recent hack, the project’s blatant crypto optimism has become a tragically ironic reminder of the industry’s shadier side.
     

    Replies: @MEH 0910, @MEH 0910

  138. Anonymous[105] • Disclaimer says:

    That’s all well and good media criticism, but old iSteve wouldn’t have pulled its punches on the monkeypox newsfarce, not being flummoxed back then by things like coof cognitive dissonance. Good to see that Emmanuel Berensonstein brought the lumber:
    https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/is-it-monkeypox-or-crystalpox

  139. MGB says:
    @That Would Be Telling
    @MGB


    why did we not see a decrease in deaths in 2021 after mass deployment of the vaccines?
     
    Many things help explain this:

    * Lots of people refused to take the vaccines, whites largely because of people on the Right making the worst own goal since Watergate. Uptake by blacks was also bad and they're at higher risk. In general I'd say we're an unserious people.

    * Many believed the problem was solved because people were getting vaccinated, even if they hadn't gotten it or threw a party before it could be effective.

    * As previously mentioned, 2021 was a full year of COVID, 2020 three fourths of a year.
    * Non-Pharmaceutical Interventions (NPIs such as lock-down) fatigue.

    * In my local region of deep Red state flyover country we kept the curve bent in 2020 and failed for the Delta wave which caused needless excess deaths, and fairly early in 2021 the vast majority of bad outcomes were unvaccinated.

    * The serially much more effective at transmission Alpha and Delta variants which were also serially more lethal than classic Wuhan.

    The last deserves more discussion: they and Omicron in sequence caused a lot of existing NPIs and general avoidance systems to fail, something we saw all the way to the level of entire countries.

    TL;DR: If you want to make a real case for your thesis you'll have to consider many more variables.

    And one step in that should be really listening to what STEM people like AnotherDad are saying about the data instead of thinking this is a game of rhetoric. To paraphrase Jonathan Swift we're not going to be able to reason you out of a position you didn't reason yourself into in the first place.

    Replies: @MGB, @Brutusale

    1. 2020 was not 3/4 of a year with covid. the first lab confirmed case was in 1/2020, and it is not a stretch to presume that the virus was circulating well before that. if irc, physicians were actually being discouraged from taking samples and doing testing early in 2020, particularly in the pacific NW, where there was a reported outbreak, so there were at least a few months when the virus was circulating, but numbers were not collected. (some chinese-american doctor was trying to sort out the flu sufferers from covid sufferers in WA, but was chased off as her proposal to use samples collected to study the flu for covid analysis instead was considered unethical, because people didn’t volunteer for a covid study, i believe was the rationale. we could get into the whole ‘disappearing flu’ debate, and the irony of concerns over ethics given the draconian measures later taken, but i don’t have the time.)
    2. the most feeble had already passed in 2020 and a significant number of persons should have acquired natural immunity, or were vaccinated (0ver 62% of total US population ‘fully vaccinated’ by the end of 2021, presumably including the vast majority of the elderly and infirm), so, no, it does not make sense that more people would die from covid in 2021.

    [MORE]

    3. yes, that’s some real fine detail re the data. ‘lots of people’ refused to take the vaccine. how do you plot ‘lots on people’ on your graph? in my region of the country, lots more took the vaccine than refused it, in fact were literally begging for it, and the government data shows that covid deaths per million were not any less in my state than in the so-called anti-vaxxer states such as FL. some people attribute this to the differing climates, demographics, etc. which may be turn out to be the case, but for now all it is is some spit balling.
    4. in response to AD’s snarky comment that deaths caused by governors’ incompetence are still covid deaths, no that is not accurate. if i have a golf ball lodged in my throat, and the ER doctor sends me away with an inhaler, and i later suffocate to death, then the doctor is at fault. dipshit cuomo had advice as to the probable outcome of sending elderly patients back to LTCs. so he pulled sick patients out of the hospital, to return them to facilities with lesser medical resources, to die and to infect others. the deaths of the infected, and those they later infected and died, are his responsibility, and are not the inevitable, natural outcome of the virus were it not for his stupidity.
    5. please, enough of your diploma, dick waiving. STEM people are as corruptible as any. The CDC/NIH/NIAID had years of data on the transmission and transmissibility of respiratory viruses, including the original SARS, and yet they were ultimately responsible for the clusterfuck of a response. you’ll have to forgive the jaded who tire of the ‘who could have seen this coming’ chorus after every foreseeable catastrophe. fauci: masks don’t work. no, they work, but we wanted to conserve our supply for the health care industry. wait, they work for you when you are in public, but i don’t need to wear them when i am in public. wait, clothe masks don’t work. etc. everything i read at the start of this shit show concluded that cloth and surgical masks did not prevent the transmission of respiratory viruses, and that conclusion was included in the 2018 OSHA guidelines; only properly fitted n95s were effective. just adding ‘novel’ to the name of a respiratory virus does not upend decades of research on respiratory viruses and the prevention of their transmission. the same with the likelihood of transmission outdoors. earlier this year, some STEM guy from Brown U. medical school was on Good Morning America acknowledging that ‘we’ve known for some time that the risk of transmission outdoors is negligible’ or words to that effect. yet, for two academic years healthy young adults were quarantined in their dorm rooms, prevented from leaving except to pick up meals from the chow hall. they were masked of course while they walked across the quad to pick up lunch, because, you know STEM people and their enforcers told them to. do you think, as a group they are healthier mentally and physically as a consequence of being shut in their dorm cell for months at a time? you STEM-tards just can’t resist putting on your cape to save the world with some magic, newly minted technology, to the exclusion of any other solutions. (see the ‘nazi war on cancer’, where, ironically, the loss of brilliant jewish scientific innovators did not cause a worsening in overall health. it turns out it was the little things, the less stunningly brilliant things, that had the greatest impact on health outcomes in general.) but it’s vaccines to the rescue, from an industry that is more frequently fined for its malfeasance than any other, except perhaps banking. hardly a word has been said about the list of co-morbidities, and why we aren’t engaging in a war on obesity or diabetes, instead of trying to vaccinate our way out of a crisis. a pill for every ill, and not one penny for health.
    6. in my experience, when people are jerked around, ordered to dig and refill holes, eventually they lose interest. i assume, although i don’t know, that if there was an organized effort to protect the vulnerable, with reasonable steps taken by others, there would have been a much more sustained, consistent effort in general. much of the original bullying has simply disappeared from the narrative, with no explanation. ‘flatten the curve’ i heard people screaming at me from their apartments as i walked down the side walk. where did that go? in my opinion the botched response will inevitably lead to greater skepticism in the case of another, similar event, splitting the country into a large population of STEM swallowers who will uncritically accept the narrative, and others who will reflexively dismiss advice. there has been a series of lies from serial liars from the start, and now you STEM guys come to explain how the small minded have fucked things up by failing to follow your advice. your advice, on balance, has been contradictory and ineffective, so forgive us for noticing.

  140. Responding to Legal Insurrection’s article on this gun rights activist David Codrea suggests “Maybe we need a ‘Monkeypox Pride’ poster contest for preschoolers…?”

  141. @That Would Be Telling
    @MGB


    why did we not see a decrease in deaths in 2021 after mass deployment of the vaccines?
     
    Many things help explain this:

    * Lots of people refused to take the vaccines, whites largely because of people on the Right making the worst own goal since Watergate. Uptake by blacks was also bad and they're at higher risk. In general I'd say we're an unserious people.

    * Many believed the problem was solved because people were getting vaccinated, even if they hadn't gotten it or threw a party before it could be effective.

    * As previously mentioned, 2021 was a full year of COVID, 2020 three fourths of a year.
    * Non-Pharmaceutical Interventions (NPIs such as lock-down) fatigue.

    * In my local region of deep Red state flyover country we kept the curve bent in 2020 and failed for the Delta wave which caused needless excess deaths, and fairly early in 2021 the vast majority of bad outcomes were unvaccinated.

    * The serially much more effective at transmission Alpha and Delta variants which were also serially more lethal than classic Wuhan.

    The last deserves more discussion: they and Omicron in sequence caused a lot of existing NPIs and general avoidance systems to fail, something we saw all the way to the level of entire countries.

    TL;DR: If you want to make a real case for your thesis you'll have to consider many more variables.

    And one step in that should be really listening to what STEM people like AnotherDad are saying about the data instead of thinking this is a game of rhetoric. To paraphrase Jonathan Swift we're not going to be able to reason you out of a position you didn't reason yourself into in the first place.

    Replies: @MGB, @Brutusale

    Since the recent outbreak, the girlfriend’s Covid floor is consistently between 60%-70% fully vaxxed.

    That’s hospitalized, not sitting at home with the sniffles.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @Brutusale

    And your point is??? Except for bending the curve issues I've been talking about worst cases starting with bad outcomes, not those requiring hospitalization. And while it would be hard to figure out and reflects a gross failure of our system, we should score separately those who maim themselves with "happy hypoxia" etc. before they seek hospitalization. What's the vaccination rate in your girlfriend's area? If high enough, a large fraction of the people she'll be seeing will perforce be vaccinated.

    We can also play the "no true vaccination" game, three mRNA doses > two mRNA doses > one Janssen dose > one mRNA dose. Three doses seem to be what's generally required especially with the shortened pandemic pace of the mRNA prime then first boost dose. Compare to childhood vaccination schedules which have greater spacing and generally three doses required.

    , @MGB
    @Brutusale

    Oh dear. You’ve struck an hysterical nerve. Kinda like the UK govt. stats showing that 80% of covid deaths are among the vaccinated. ‘So what’s your point?’ That would be something’s response is a classic. An excerpt:


    I’ve been talking about worst cases starting with bad outcomes, not those requiring hospitalization.

     

    What the fuck does that even mean?

    I’ve been talking about bad cases ending with worst outcomes, not those not requiring non-urgent medical treatments.
     
    There. That’s a little more intelligible.
  142. @Brutusale
    @That Would Be Telling

    Since the recent outbreak, the girlfriend's Covid floor is consistently between 60%-70% fully vaxxed.

    That's hospitalized, not sitting at home with the sniffles.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @MGB

    And your point is??? Except for bending the curve issues I’ve been talking about worst cases starting with bad outcomes, not those requiring hospitalization. And while it would be hard to figure out and reflects a gross failure of our system, we should score separately those who maim themselves with “happy hypoxia” etc. before they seek hospitalization. What’s the vaccination rate in your girlfriend’s area? If high enough, a large fraction of the people she’ll be seeing will perforce be vaccinated.

    We can also play the “no true vaccination” game, three mRNA doses > two mRNA doses > one Janssen dose > one mRNA dose. Three doses seem to be what’s generally required especially with the shortened pandemic pace of the mRNA prime then first boost dose. Compare to childhood vaccination schedules which have greater spacing and generally three doses required.

  143. MGB says:
    @Brutusale
    @That Would Be Telling

    Since the recent outbreak, the girlfriend's Covid floor is consistently between 60%-70% fully vaxxed.

    That's hospitalized, not sitting at home with the sniffles.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @MGB

    Oh dear. You’ve struck an hysterical nerve. Kinda like the UK govt. stats showing that 80% of covid deaths are among the vaccinated. ‘So what’s your point?’ That would be something’s response is a classic. An excerpt:

    I’ve been talking about worst cases starting with bad outcomes, not those requiring hospitalization.

    What the fuck does that even mean?

    I’ve been talking about bad cases ending with worst outcomes, not those not requiring non-urgent medical treatments.

    There. That’s a little more intelligible.

  144. @bruce county
    @Reg Cæsar


    Bruce County was always safe
     
    Yep..Pretty much. Our biggest concern is avoiding Mennonites in the horse drawn carriages.

    Dot Indians and Pakistanis seem to like it up here...

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Our biggest concern is avoiding Mennonites in the horse drawn carriages.

    The extra-wide shoulders to the east and west of London* are there to accommodate the Amish. I’ve never seen this in the States. Don’t they have these farther to the north?

    Is your milk sold in bags? Do they still say “farther” in Canada? (It’s dying out in the UK, and misused in the US.) Anyway, Happy Victoria Day! The law say it was yesterday, but it’s really today.

    *BC knows what I’m talking about, but for the others here, the reference is to J Philippe Rushton’s London, not Sadiq Khan’s.

  145. #136

    “Nah, we kept the caged up and used them for the animal experiments the vaccine truthers claim were never done for the vaccines . . .”

    Not in the gerbil cage I hope, cuz that would explain a lot.

  146. When I first became aware of the monkeypox/gay nexis, my first question was “How long until that info is publicly denounced as homophobic/racist?”

    My personal datum was 20 hours.

    How about yours?

  147. Anonymous[262] • Disclaimer says:

    Indeed similar to AIDS, which also began with Africans (presumably in Congo) butchering monkeys for food, and which then spread to America (via Haiti), and was then spread across the world by homosexuals.

  148. @HammerJack
    @Reg Cæsar


    Killer Muscle Andy
     
    How many male celebs have done roids or hgh to compensate for losing their hair? Sort of makes sense, I suppose. Jeff Bezos also comes to mind. And a dozen Hollywood stars..

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Reg Cæsar

    How many male celebs have done roids or hgh to compensate for losing their hair?

    Che🤰apy!

  149. @AnotherDad
    @MGB


    that’s some mish mash of poor reasoning.
     
    No it is solid reasoning. Yours is a "mishmash".

    so if we use your numbers, and follow your logic, between 50-80k of the 300-400k excess deaths are not attributable to covid.
     
    Geez, you did not even bother to do the trivial 2nd grade math. The difference 2020-2019 deaths--numbers sitting right there in plain view in my comment is (3,383,729-2,854,838) is 530K. Peel off a generous 100K for aging trend and you have 400K. The CDC attributes 350Kish of those to Covid.

    we also know that 10s of ks of the elderly died as a consequence incompetent governors’ response to covid
     
    Those are Covid deaths. If you are going to criticize Cuomo's disastrous response--which I certainly do--it is because the Fauci actually does kill old people, so shipping infected people back into nursing/long-term-care homes to infect other old people is criminal. If the Fauci was a nothing burger, then shipping them back would be fine.

    we don’t know how many of the elderly died due to long term care facilities being turning into prisons
     
    Correct. Lots of old people I know hated this tradeoff. My dad included. He was a tough enough nut to just check himself out and drive down to my place for dinner. Be he died in early 2021 in large part because AnotherBrother and I could not get in easily to see him. (Though again--when you're in your 90s, you have had a very good run and every day is a crap shoot.)

    But ... this issue does not remotely account for the huge surge in deaths. People with the Fauci dying in hospitals.

    you also conveniently glossed over the 2021 numbers, which were still higher than 2020. why did we not see a decrease in deaths in 2021 after mass deployment of the vaccines? according to the cdc there was actually an increase in covid deaths in 2021 over 2020 (460,513 in 2021 vs. 384,536 in 2020). how does that make any sense?
     
    I did not gloss over them. I did not mention them in this comment. I've said in other comments that there have been approaching 1 million Fauci deaths in the US, in the last two years. Which debunks the "just the flu bro" nonsense.

    There is absolutely nothing inexplicable about the 2021 deaths.
    -- way more people were infected in 2021; 2020 started from zero did not have the base of infected
    -- 2020 did not have the Fauci running basically at all during the first three months of the year which is the tail of your "flu season". 2021 had more or less a whole "flu season" cycle (though it was Omicron at the end)
    -- even old people generally were not vaccinated until spring of 2021 past the end of the "flu season"
    -- the Delta variant was worse--more lethal--than "original recipe"
    -- lots of people were not vaccinated and that's where the deaths were concentrated during the Delta wave.

    All this is obvious to anyone even trying to look at the data.

    I'd predict, 2022 will actually have far fewer deaths. Because
    -- the Omicron variant is much, much milder. Now something much closer to "just the flu".
    -- more people have either had it
    -- more people are vaccinated.

    So I'd predict we'll peal off a couple/three hundred thousand deaths from 2021 and be back down more toward the long term trend--which would be 3 million-ish now.

    ~~

    Seriously throwing a bunch of random shit around trying--utterly lamely--explain away a huge, obvious bump in death rate, is just stupid. It mirrors the minoritarian wokies, trying to explain away the post-Flyod-OD crime wave that they induced by blaming "Covid" and "guns".

    Conservatives, traditionalists, nationalists, normies need to be on the side of empirical reality. Making up shit like the minoritarians does not do us any good.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    “The number of Covid deaths over the winter was similar to those caused by flu in previous years, official figures have revealed.

    Deaths caused by the virus rocketed during the first waves of the pandemic before a vaccine was developed and rolled out.

    This, along with immunity from natural infection, now means the Covid mortality rate has ‘fallen more in line’ with that of flu or pneumonia during pre-pandemic years.”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10846969/Winter-deaths-Covid-no-worse-flu.html

    So it’s now more like “just the flu, bro”, but it wasn’t like that in 2020.

  150. “identified [in] gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men,”

    What does it mean “men who have sex with men”, but are not gay or bi? I suppose it could just be some kind of accidental sex.

  151. @Art Deco
    @AnotherDad

    doing partner tracking (very difficult with homosexuals)

    Pretty much impossible, which is why it was abandoned early on. The initial wave of ailing men had three-digit partner counts and a history of large quanta of anonymous encounters. The other problem was that the lapse of time between seroconversion and the appearance of opportunistic infections is long. It was eventually calculated at a median of 11 years.



    and quarantining the infected.

    Put 1 million people in camps for the rest of their lives? Sounds like a plan.


    The foot dragging about shutting down the bathhouses actually was a case of liberal politicians and officialdom catering to one of their mascot groups, and offering sophistries as explanations. Public health as a field has been an embarrassment for a long time.


    What was interesting about the response to that catering is that when Mayor Koch died in 2013, some ActUp types danced on his grave, blaming him for the catastrophe (as they had done for decades; Ronald Reagan was another scapegoat). Municipal governments do not have the infrastructure to do medical research, then or now, but never mind. Oh, and Koch told the gay lobby ca. 1985 that there were competing claimants for public resources and he wasn't writing any blank checks for their projects. That's no way to treat Special People.

    Replies: @JR Ewing, @Reg Cæsar, @mike99588

    The initial wave of ailing men had three-digit partner counts…

    * The initial wave had hyperactive men with four-digit partner counts.

  152. @MEH 0910
    @Anon

    https://twitter.com/SethGreen/status/1526588358859759617
    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/sarahemerson/seth-green-bored-ape-stolen-tv-show
    https://twitter.com/SethGreen/status/1529191356660215808


    Actor and producer Seth Green was robbed of several NFTs this month after succumbing to a phishing scam that inadvertently threw a monkey wrench into the plan for his new animated series. The forthcoming show was developed from characters in Green’s expansive NFT collection, but in light of the recent hack, the project’s blatant crypto optimism has become a tragically ironic reminder of the industry’s shadier side.
     

    Replies: @MEH 0910, @MEH 0910

    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/sarahemerson/seth-green-bored-ape-nft-returned

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