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The interacting reasons that the U.S. has so many murders is that it has hundreds of millions of guns and tens of millions of blacks. The U.K. has very few guns, so few that the leading weapon of murder is the knife, and only 3 percent black. But we see the same racial patterns within the U.K. as in the U.S. From The Guardian:

Killings of black people in England and Wales at highest level since 2002

105 black people were victims of murder and manslaughter in year up to March 2020

In the three years to March last year, the average homicide rate relative to population was around five times higher for black people than white people.

Jamie Grierson Home affairs correspondent
@JamieGrierson
Thu 25 Feb 2021 11.36 EST

The number of black victims of homicide in England and Wales has climbed to its highest level in nearly two decades, official figures have revealed.

A total of 105 black victims of murder and manslaughter were recorded in the 12 months to March 2020, up from 96 the previous year, and the highest since the 12 months to March 2002, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) said.

Black people are more likely to be victims of homicide, the figures show. About 15% of all victims in the period were black, but only 3% of the general population are black. Sixty-four per cent of victims were white, while white people make up 85% of the general population.

(15/3)/(64/85) = 6.6 times more likely to be homicide victims than whites, not 5 times.

… The figures also show black people are more likely to be perpetrators of homicide and murder. Approximately one in five – or 21% – of convicted suspects were black. About 67% of suspects convicted of homicide were identified as white.

(21/3)/(67/85) = 8.9 times more likely to be convicted of murder per capita than whites.

The ONS said the figures showed “clear differences” in the age profile of victims across different ethnic groups.

Approximately half (49%) of black victims in the year to March 2020 were in the 16 to 24 age group, compared with 25% for Asian people and 12% for white victims.

The most common method of killing, for both male and female victims of all ethnicities, was by a knife or other sharp instrument. There were 275 homicides committed using a sharp instrument recorded in the year ending March 2020, 40% of all killings and up 6% year on year.

Now that was yesterday’s news. In today’s U.K. news, from Sky News:

Police unable to explain disproportionate use of powers against minorities, report finds

A watchdog says that, more than 35 years after the introduction of stop and search, “no force fully understands the impact”.

Friday 26 February 2021 06:45, UK

HMICFRS said the disproportionate use of powers could draw more black and ethnic minority people into the criminal justice system

Police are still unable to explain why their powers are disproportionately used on people from black, Asian and minority ethnic backgrounds, a watchdog has said.

Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary and Fire and Rescue Services (HMICFRS) warned that police risk losing the trust of the communities they serve after the latest inspection on the disproportionate use of powers.

In the report, published on Friday, the inspectorate said: “Over 35 years on from the introduction of stop and search legislation, no force fully understands the impact of the use of these powers.

“Disproportionality persists and no force can satisfactorily explain why.”

The report cited data from 2019/20 that showed ethnic minority people were four times more likely to be stopped and searched than white people.

Black people were about 5.7 times more likely to have force used on them than white people, with figures also showing they were more than nine times as likely to have Tasers drawn on them.

The report reveals black people were eight times more likely to be handcuffed while compliant and three times more likely to have a spit and bite guard used on them than white people, for reasons the inspectorate said are “unclear”.

Maybe it could have something to do with blacks being 8.9 times as likely as whites to be convicted of murder? I mean, I’m just asking…

 
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  1. ‘UK Blacks Are 8.9 Times as Likely to be Convicted of Murder as UK Whites’

    Yawn. It’s actually astonishing how consistently blacks fall into that range of six to ten times the criminality of other racial groups — regardless of crime, specific setting, time period, methodology, or anything else.

    You’d think it was an objective attribute. Like the average weight of Samoans compared to that of Indonesians or something.

  2. At least, the statistics on murder by race have not been suppressed as is the case in certain European countries like Sweden or France. How much longer that continues to be the case is open to question.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Verymuchalive

    At least, the statistics on murder by race have not been suppressed as is the case in certain European countries like Sweden or France. How much longer that continues to be the case is open to question.

    Not much longer.

    It's actually illegal in Sweden to post online about race and crime. Doesn't matter if it is true or not.

    What happened to the Vikings? Their descendants aren't even allowed to observe reality.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Lex
    @Verymuchalive

    Are those stats suppressed or simply not collected?

  3. “The interacting reasons that the U.S. has so many murders is that it has hundreds of millions of guns and tens of millions of blacks. ”

    But mostly because it has tens of millions of blacks. In fact, almost exclusively because. Whites own (as opposed to blacks possessing) a heck of a lot more firearms than blacks do, with a fraction of the correlating violence.

    • Agree: anonymousperson
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mike Tre

    But mostly because it has tens of millions of blacks. In fact, almost exclusively because. Whites own (as opposed to blacks possessing) a heck of a lot more firearms than blacks do, with a fraction of the correlating violence.

    Yes Whites spend far more time interacting with guns and yet don't commit even 25% of the homicides.

    If you got rid of the guns you would just end up with a massive increase in UK style "knife crime" that their leftists lament over.

    , @128
    @Mike Tre

    US whites have a lot higher murder rate than Western European, or European whites outside of Russia. US Asians are also more violent than Asians in Asia.

    Replies: @bomag

    , @Jefferson
    @Mike Tre

    What's interesting is that even though drugs are rampant in poor White communities you do not see drug gang turf war gun violence in poor White communities like you do in the Black community. The drug dealers in the trailer parks are not going to gun wars with each over which drug dealer gets to claim the most magic dirt in the trailer parks!

  4. Maybe it could have something to do with blacks being 8.9 times as likely as whites to be convicted of murder? I mean, I’m just asking…

    No one is brave enough to say this out loud.

    In 2014 Theresa May (as Home Secretary) was moved by the plight of law-abiding blacks who were repeatedly stopped and searched by the police. She reduced police powers to stop and search suspects. Knife crime gradually rose, until in January 2019 London’s homicide rate briefly exceeded that of New York, a city of similar size, and May (by then Prime Minister) had to reverse her policy.

    It is a dilemma for politicians. Nobody likes being stopped by police, least of all if they are repeatedly selected because they are black. But if the police back off, many more black people are stabbed to death by other blacks. Even if politicians were to let black Britons decide the stop-and-search policy, black opinion is divided on the matter, and is not well-informed because no one has the courage to state the facts.

    • Thanks: bomag
    • Replies: @anonymousperson
    @James N. Kennett

    When you are dealing with blacks you just can't win.

  5. Police are still unable to explain why their powers are disproportionately used on people from black, Asian and minority ethnic backgrounds, a watchdog has said.

    Unable to explain in a way that doesn’t contradict the new narrative, anyway. Most cops could explain it pretty clearly off the record.

  6. I mean, I’m just asking…

    Eh, that’s just your white privilege talking…plus…

    …of course.

  7. Excuse me Mr Sailer, but while pointing out the difference in the means of violent death of UK coloureds vis a vis US coloreds, you are remiss in not pointing out the difference in the cause of death to your non-Oxbridge-graduate readers..

    Let me condescend to explain…

    In America, negroes are killed by systemic racism.
    In Britain, negroes are killed by the legacy of British colonialism.

    Whereas the former is, as you know, a miasma, the latter is sort of like a kind of radioactivity, which, however, doesn’t decay over time, but remains just as potent and just as lethal to negroes for as long as there is at least one white Britisher left around to take the blame.

    Yours smugly,

    Guardian Reader

  8. @Verymuchalive
    At least, the statistics on murder by race have not been suppressed as is the case in certain European countries like Sweden or France. How much longer that continues to be the case is open to question.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Lex

    At least, the statistics on murder by race have not been suppressed as is the case in certain European countries like Sweden or France. How much longer that continues to be the case is open to question.

    Not much longer.

    It’s actually illegal in Sweden to post online about race and crime. Doesn’t matter if it is true or not.

    What happened to the Vikings? Their descendants aren’t even allowed to observe reality.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @John Johnson


    What happened to the Vikings? Their descendants aren’t even allowed to observe reality.
     
    It cracks me up how Swedish nationalism, in as much it even exists, seems to be dominated (online, at least) by Bosnians, Iranians and other better adjusted immigrants. Lutheranism, not even once.
  9. The black-white offset in violent offending is about as large as the male-female offset. (Both are about a standard deviation). See here.

    Maybe 3,000 to 30,000 y in the environment of evolutionary adaptation explains it. There are behavioral moderns from Eurasia and there are behavioral pre-moderns from elsewhere.

  10. @Mike Tre
    "The interacting reasons that the U.S. has so many murders is that it has hundreds of millions of guns and tens of millions of blacks. "

    But mostly because it has tens of millions of blacks. In fact, almost exclusively because. Whites own (as opposed to blacks possessing) a heck of a lot more firearms than blacks do, with a fraction of the correlating violence.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @128, @Jefferson

    But mostly because it has tens of millions of blacks. In fact, almost exclusively because. Whites own (as opposed to blacks possessing) a heck of a lot more firearms than blacks do, with a fraction of the correlating violence.

    Yes Whites spend far more time interacting with guns and yet don’t commit even 25% of the homicides.

    If you got rid of the guns you would just end up with a massive increase in UK style “knife crime” that their leftists lament over.

  11. Anon[355] • Disclaimer says:

    Police are still unable to explain why their powers are disproportionately used on people from black, Asian and minority ethnic backgrounds, a watchdog has said.

    Have you noticed the tendency recently to shore up the Coalition of the Fringes inclusivity when it’s not warranted? Specifically, in most cases where something unsavory is mentioned in connection with blacks, the word black is not use, but rather a euphemism like “black, Asian and minority ethnic backgrounds,” BIPOCs, “black, Hispanic, Native American, and Samoan,” underprepresented minorities, or the like, when what they mean is “black. full stop. just black.”

    The idea they try to sell is that whitey and his minion, unmentioned Northeast Asian allies are screwing with all other groups, when the real situation is that blacks alone are screwing up in some way. Other groups may have problems, but they don’t compare to the magnitude of blacks, and they often resolve themselves over the generations, unlike blacks, who keep on rolling in trouble, decade after decade, century after century.

  12. Anon[220] • Disclaimer says:

    Michael Levin’s Why Race Matters goes on and on with the statistics in chapter 9. Some highlights:

    The impression that young black males are disproportionately likely to commit crimes against persons is supported by, and almost certainly results from intuitive awareness of, the relevant statistics. Every study of the subject finds a positive correlation between race and “serious victimful crime”

    Blacks commit most of the FBI-indexed offenses, accounting for half of all arrests for assault and rape and 62% of arrests for robbery

    Blacks commit more than 57% of all murders …. At 12% of the population, the average black is thus 12 times more likely than the average nonblack to have committed a robbery and 9 times more likely to have committed a murder.

    In Washington, D.C., Los Angeles, and Detroit the rate of homicide by firearms among 15-to 19-year-olds exceeds 220 per 100,000…. the national homicide rate for black males 15–24 is 160 per 100,000, as against 16 per 100,000 for white males.

    In addition to accounting for most violent crime, blacks are also disproportionately represented in all categories of felony except those requiring access to large amounts of money, such as stock fraud.

    [MORE]

    More than half the U.S. prison population is black. Of black males over 18, 6.75% were held in federal, state or local jails in 1994 while .86% of white males were, a ratio of 7.8:1. Some criminologists use the rule of thumb that a black male is ten times more likely than his white counterpart to be involved in homicide, rape, robbery, and aggravated assault. (Taylor notes that many of these comparisons understate the white/black difference by counting non-European Hispanics, whose crime rate exceeds that of European whites, as “white.” A black is more than 9 times more likely than a non-Hispanic white to be in a federal prison.) More than 30% of black males between the ages of 23 and 29 are incarcerated for the commission of a felony, while the incarceration rate for white males in that age group is usually put below 3%. The black incarceration rate increases with high black population density: at any time, 42% of the black male population of Washington, D.C. is in jail, on parole, on probation, or being sought by the police ….

    There is a disparity between popular beliefs about black victimization and the facts. Georgia is thought to be populated by violent rednecks, threatening to blacks. But of the 2484 murders committed in Georgia between 1973 and 1979, 1676, or 67%, were perpetrated by blacks. At 26.5% of the population of Georgia in 1980,2 blacks committed murder at (67/26.5)/(33/73.5) = 5.6 times the white rate.

    The data do not sustain the idea that blacks are arrested more frequently, hence tried and convicted more frequently, because of police bias….

    When black population density is high, blacks commit literally scores of times more murders than whites. Murder rates for European countries run between 2 and 5 per 100,000 annually. In states like Utah whose residents are virtually all of European descent it falls below 1; in areas with mostly black populations, such as Washington, D.C., and Atlanta, Georgia, homicide victimization exceeds 60 per 100,000. The homicide rate among 15–18 year old black males reached 272 per 100,000 for Detroit in 1987….

    Whites can in theory avoid contact with blacks, whereas in everyday life, kinship, if nothing else, prevents blacks from altogether avoiding young black males. Hence, it is more pertinent to ask whether whites are entitled to flee black crime than to ask this question of blacks.

    The second is the character of the worst quintile of black criminal behavior…. a reality reported daily in the media—black males killing out of irritation (girlfriends’ cranky babies), out of petty greed (for money to buy running shoes), out of anger (over a basketball call). Whites are alarmed not only by the frequency of black crime, but by the extremes of depravity and indifference to human life it reaches. It is true that whites … have produced uniquely deranged specimens like Jeffrey Dahmer, but these instances are extremely rate. Casual brutality is far more common among blacks….

    The third concern is the asymmetry in interracial crime. It is widely publicized that blacks are more likely than whites to be crime victims and that their victimizers are more likely to be black than white …. What is less widely known is the preference of blacks for white victims….

    Many people use the belief that black men strongly desire white women, once prevalent in the American South, to illustrate the psychopathy of “stereotyping.” In fact, this belief seems empirically correct. At the same time, the low incidence of white-on-black rape undermines the claim that one way whites oppress blacks is by treating black women as fair game….

  13. @John Johnson
    @Verymuchalive

    At least, the statistics on murder by race have not been suppressed as is the case in certain European countries like Sweden or France. How much longer that continues to be the case is open to question.

    Not much longer.

    It's actually illegal in Sweden to post online about race and crime. Doesn't matter if it is true or not.

    What happened to the Vikings? Their descendants aren't even allowed to observe reality.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    What happened to the Vikings? Their descendants aren’t even allowed to observe reality.

    It cracks me up how Swedish nationalism, in as much it even exists, seems to be dominated (online, at least) by Bosnians, Iranians and other better adjusted immigrants. Lutheranism, not even once.

  14. I’m sure that my definition of “white” is a small subset of what they consider, for these statistics, to be “white”.

  15. What about the Pakistanis? I thought they commit a major share of crime.

    • Replies: @James N. Kennett
    @Prosa123


    What about the Pakistanis? I thought they commit a major share of crime.
     
    But not so much homicide.
  16. @Prosa123
    What about the Pakistanis? I thought they commit a major share of crime.

    Replies: @James N. Kennett

    What about the Pakistanis? I thought they commit a major share of crime.

    But not so much homicide.

  17. The British have lots of dogs and ‘Animal control officers’ too. I have no data but it is reasonable to assume sterner methods ( dog spray, choke collar) are used more frequently on some breeds than others. I would be willing to bet as well that dogs with male negro masters bite more people than those owned by a childless middle-aged woman on a per capita basis.

  18. More Saileresque data from the UK: “When a black person is killed, the principal suspect is almost six times as likely to be black as to be white, even though the white population is far larger. After controlling for the relative size of the populations, when a homicide victim is black, the suspect is 145 times as likely to be black as white.”

    https://www.civitas.org.uk/content/files/istherearacialdisparityinthecriminaljusticesystem.pdf

  19. @Mike Tre
    "The interacting reasons that the U.S. has so many murders is that it has hundreds of millions of guns and tens of millions of blacks. "

    But mostly because it has tens of millions of blacks. In fact, almost exclusively because. Whites own (as opposed to blacks possessing) a heck of a lot more firearms than blacks do, with a fraction of the correlating violence.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @128, @Jefferson

    US whites have a lot higher murder rate than Western European, or European whites outside of Russia. US Asians are also more violent than Asians in Asia.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @128


    US whites have a lot higher murder rate than Western European...
     
    How much is a lot? The crime breakdowns by ethnicity that I have seen put European and Western Whites tracking pretty closely. I glanced through some of Wiki's murder rate pages, and reading between the lines, Euro rates are roughly 1/100k; US Whites 1.5/100k.

    Cf., some Central American countries are in the 30/100k range.

  20. Approximately half (49%) of black victims in the year to March 2020 were in the 16 to 24 age group, compared with 25% for Asian people and 12% for white victims.

    These are some pretty telling numbers. A 16-24 yr old stabbing victim is pretty likely to just be someone who lost the knife fight, and not an innocent murder victim. It would be interesting to see graphs showing the total span of murder victims.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Jon

    "A 16-24 yr old stabbing victim is pretty likely to just be someone who lost the knife fight, and not an innocent murder victim. "

    It does happen, but the usual modus operandi is that an individual is chased down by a gang and stabbed. It's not two people facing off while people stand in a ring and watch. West Side Story was sixty years ago.

    Replies: @jon

  21. @Verymuchalive
    At least, the statistics on murder by race have not been suppressed as is the case in certain European countries like Sweden or France. How much longer that continues to be the case is open to question.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Lex

    Are those stats suppressed or simply not collected?

  22. One recent innovation is suppression of the race of an offender at the time of arrest/trial/conviction.

    For a long time the ethnicity (or even the name) of Eltiona Skana, the Albanian illegal immigrant who cut the throat of a 7 year old white girl in a park, was unreported.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9018251/Schizophrenic-woman-not-guilty-murdering-girl-7-stabbed-death-park.html

    More recently a 29 year old woman called Rhian Beresford, with her two year old in the car, deliberately knocked down then repeatedly ran over a 54 year old Pole called Stefan Melnyk. Still no photos, she’s from Acton which is a pretty diverse part of London.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/acton-lockdown-manslaughter-rhian-beresford-stefan-melnyk-b920543.html

    And currently a 22 year old called Moses Christensen, who looks possibly mixed race from the one poor quality photo available, is on trial accused of travelling to a Shropshire beauty spot to kill someone – the random victim being a 70 year old hillwalker.

    https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/crime/2021/02/25/shropshire-hilltop-murder-trial-told-killer-wandered-hills-looking-for-victims/

  23. @Jon

    Approximately half (49%) of black victims in the year to March 2020 were in the 16 to 24 age group, compared with 25% for Asian people and 12% for white victims.
     
    These are some pretty telling numbers. A 16-24 yr old stabbing victim is pretty likely to just be someone who lost the knife fight, and not an innocent murder victim. It would be interesting to see graphs showing the total span of murder victims.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    “A 16-24 yr old stabbing victim is pretty likely to just be someone who lost the knife fight, and not an innocent murder victim. “

    It does happen, but the usual modus operandi is that an individual is chased down by a gang and stabbed. It’s not two people facing off while people stand in a ring and watch. West Side Story was sixty years ago.

    • Replies: @jon
    @YetAnotherAnon

    I wasn't suggesting it was a literal knife fight, a la West Side Story. Though that would make the downfall of the West at least more entertaining to watch. Just pointing out that a huge chunk of the black murder "victims" were most likely just gangbangers killed by other gangbangers.

  24. Knife crime is so much more common in the UK than gun crime that UK police wear anti-stab vests instead of bullet proof vest which are constructed differently.

  25. The U.K. has very few guns…

    Because they have had very little violent crime– for hundreds of years. The causation is backwards. It’s simply atrophy.

    6.6 times more likely to be homicide victims than whites, not 5 times.

    No, they are right, or at least closer, if accidentally. “Five times more” is actually “six times as”. In other words symbols, 500% more is 600% as.

    Maybe it could have something to do with blacks being 8.9 times as likely as whites…

    Unlike the Gordian, Steve gets it right.

    But at least this particular fish wrap isn’t capitali[s]ing the races. Yet.

  26. The Hollywood Foreign Press Association (which votes for Golden Globes) has no black members. It’s almost as if African and Caribbean countries lack movie industries and cinematography coverage.

    “that search [for international Black journalists] has not been easy”
    https://variety.com/2021/awards/awards/golden-globes-no-black-members-hfpa-1234916590/

    The Fields Medal in math has been awarded to mathematicians from China, Vietnam, Iran, and Israel. But that doesn’t stop activists from complaining about lack of black mathematicians. Apparently, it is equally difficult to get international Black journalists into the Hollywood movie club.

  27. “U.K. Whites”.

    Uh, wouldn’t that be the British people?

  28. @James N. Kennett

    Maybe it could have something to do with blacks being 8.9 times as likely as whites to be convicted of murder? I mean, I’m just asking…
     
    No one is brave enough to say this out loud.

    In 2014 Theresa May (as Home Secretary) was moved by the plight of law-abiding blacks who were repeatedly stopped and searched by the police. She reduced police powers to stop and search suspects. Knife crime gradually rose, until in January 2019 London's homicide rate briefly exceeded that of New York, a city of similar size, and May (by then Prime Minister) had to reverse her policy.

    It is a dilemma for politicians. Nobody likes being stopped by police, least of all if they are repeatedly selected because they are black. But if the police back off, many more black people are stabbed to death by other blacks. Even if politicians were to let black Britons decide the stop-and-search policy, black opinion is divided on the matter, and is not well-informed because no one has the courage to state the facts.

    Replies: @anonymousperson

    When you are dealing with blacks you just can’t win.

  29. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Jon

    "A 16-24 yr old stabbing victim is pretty likely to just be someone who lost the knife fight, and not an innocent murder victim. "

    It does happen, but the usual modus operandi is that an individual is chased down by a gang and stabbed. It's not two people facing off while people stand in a ring and watch. West Side Story was sixty years ago.

    Replies: @jon

    I wasn’t suggesting it was a literal knife fight, a la West Side Story. Though that would make the downfall of the West at least more entertaining to watch. Just pointing out that a huge chunk of the black murder “victims” were most likely just gangbangers killed by other gangbangers.

  30. @128
    @Mike Tre

    US whites have a lot higher murder rate than Western European, or European whites outside of Russia. US Asians are also more violent than Asians in Asia.

    Replies: @bomag

    US whites have a lot higher murder rate than Western European…

    How much is a lot? The crime breakdowns by ethnicity that I have seen put European and Western Whites tracking pretty closely. I glanced through some of Wiki’s murder rate pages, and reading between the lines, Euro rates are roughly 1/100k; US Whites 1.5/100k.

    Cf., some Central American countries are in the 30/100k range.

  31. @Mike Tre
    "The interacting reasons that the U.S. has so many murders is that it has hundreds of millions of guns and tens of millions of blacks. "

    But mostly because it has tens of millions of blacks. In fact, almost exclusively because. Whites own (as opposed to blacks possessing) a heck of a lot more firearms than blacks do, with a fraction of the correlating violence.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @128, @Jefferson

    What’s interesting is that even though drugs are rampant in poor White communities you do not see drug gang turf war gun violence in poor White communities like you do in the Black community. The drug dealers in the trailer parks are not going to gun wars with each over which drug dealer gets to claim the most magic dirt in the trailer parks!

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