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Our flight deck should reflect the diverse group of people on board our planes every day. That’s why we plan for 50% of the 5,000 pilots we train in the next decade to be women or people of color. Learn more and apply now: https://t.co/VbOFvFOksB pic.twitter.com/r0ScH6MQAJ
— United Airlines (@united) April 6, 2021
Generally speaking, elites take a lot of plane trips. So even at the national airlines of revolutionary sub-Saharan countries in the 1970s, they seldom yanked the stick from the hands of white pilots for political principles.
But American elites are getting so high on their own supply that they aren’t even fazed anymore by the increased chance of plowing into the ground at 400 mph. It’s racist to even think that lowering standards to let in more Diverse pilots might raise the risk of mass death.
And, besides, real soon now robots will do all the flying, so pilots are just going to be totally symbolic, right? And what’s more important than symbolism? Ours is now the Symbolic Society where all that matters is getting more of the Good People and fewer of the Bad People in positions of respect.
https://twitter.com/Steve_Sailer/status/1379650999439171584
United Airlines’ alternative new slogan: Think of how relieved you’ll feel on the 50% of our flights piloted by someone who wasn’t picked for his race or sex!
“Don’t worry, scro’! There’re plenty of ‘tards out there living really kick-ass lives. My first wife was ‘tarded: She’s a pilot now.”
Ron Unz adds:
You’re forgetting the vast increase of wealth among those elites, especially the top slice of the elites that are really pulling the strings.
Somehow I suspect that private jet pilots will still be carefully selected based upon merit…
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If anyone wants a safe landing, avoid United…..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkpjEZKJXRM
I remember when I had an office mate who said he got on a commercial airliner decades ago with the darkest skin pilot he had ever seen.
Then he realized who it was.
Jim Tilman (RIP).
My best friend from high school is a pilot for United. They’ve been trying to diversify their pilot ranks for a while now. Only one problem: those darn POC’s and wymynzez won’t cooperate and keep failing the requirements. Not a lot of women apply anyway; women seek the perks of authority, not the burden of responsibility that flying a plane requires. Airline companies have been wise enough thus far to not lower their standards, but like everything else, wokeness will seep in eventually.
I'm thinking 3 to 5 years tops.Replies: @Pericles, @Achmed E. Newman
I know a young Asian guy--HS friend of AnotherChildren, a fine young man--working away building his career. Has done the Alaska stuff and just got his 747 ticket a few months back. His plan--in progress--has been working the cargo side to get up to international faster. But heck, if you slap a 50% anti-white quota on the majors ... he could zip in there no problem.
As minoritarianism boils down to its explicit whack-the-white-gentiles root and gets pushed anywhere and everywhere, it is a gift for Asian guys on the technical side. White guys' technical ability and hard work built America. And there simply aren't enough NAMs and women interested/competent to fill these huge anti-white quotas. So as long as these quotas remain simply anti-white and do not progress to parceling out specific--14% black, 18% Latino, 50% women, 2% queers ...--numbers, Asian guys are in high cotton.Replies: @Pat Kittle
Aren’t women of color people?
That would depend upon the color.
Some women are of color people, but some women are of White people.
United will replace the “air sickness” bag with the “last will and testament” form located in the seat pocket in front of you.
Steve says:We're almost there, except for things like landing in inclement weather. But as with self-driving cars, so long as it's safer than the average driver/pilot we'll be golden. Unfortunately robots are racist.
You’re forgetting the vast increase of wealth among those elites, especially the top slice of the elites that are really pulling the strings.
Somehow I suspect that private jet pilots will still be carefully selected based upon merit…
Because they are retired military and airline pilots with 20 year's experience.
Still have the screenies, if required by nosey-parkers.
Isn't it easy to find a few black pilots that are very competent?
You would not need more than some of those, in the case of the super-rich. So - as I said: This could be quite easily done.
Amtrack needs more routes.
Can’t they just make all the pilots in their TV commercials women and POCs, like they do with doctors, tax experts, software developers, forest rangers, financial advisors, good parents, etc etc?
A few years ago, we were flying to Madrid and the female pilot came on the con – I was fairly shocked as I’d never heard the like in all my years of flying. At least we made it intact to the destination. Maybe the co-pilot was a guy, I don’t know.
Or women lol.
AWFLs have been snaking the bulk of the Affirmative Action since day one and the artists formerly known as the elites are all to a man completely high on their own supply on the relative merits between men and women. See Biden’s statement about not being able to think of one thing women couldn’t do better than men.
Theranos Airlines. Women’s Lib is even more virulent on the “right” than the left these days.
https://www.openpowerlifting.org/recordsReplies: @Anonymous
Maybe they’re trying to get ahead of Moldbug’s proposal to have government by pilots.
But American elites are getting so high on their own supply that they aren’t even phased anymore by the increased chance of plowing into the ground at 400 mph.
Should be “fazed”
Another, more ghastly, mistake is "ect" instead of "etc" for et cetera. How I wish I had a dime for every time I encountered that. And those are only 2 examples.
Unless weasel-wording around the ostensible conclusion (thus promising nothing), they are confessing to at least one of:
1. They were intentionally weeding out non-whites and women.
2. They will be lowering hiring standards and offering remedial-remedial training/gimmes.
I wonder if #2 has ever backfired.
Or else they’re simply going to lower standards. But many of those standards are set by the FAA. I wouldn’t be surprised if Woke racial discrimination has crept in to the FAA to the point that they would lower standards, but probably not just yet. I can’t think of anything more likely to incite voter anger against AA quotas than random jetliners full of 200 passengers crashing into the ground because the airline was forced to hire a black pilot.
It has already happened to some extent, though: recently with a black Atlas Air pilot who crashed an Amazon cargo plane and killed all the crew, and more anciently with an unqualified black FedEx or UPS pilot who tried to crash a plane into the ground but was stopped by the crew. Fortunately neither of those planes had hundreds of passengers on board.
Ultimately it may just all be posturing. Just because a company says they’re going to do something doesn’t mean there’s any chance of them actually doing it. But United Airlines has a black president and a Hispanic chairman of the board, plus two black female board members, so maybe they’re serious.
It don’t care how a private firm, like UAL, chooses to staff itself. However I do get upset when those same firms solicit and receive corporate welfare (e.g. taxpayer funded bailouts).
A year ago UAL received $5B; great news for Boeing, by the way.)
I’d have no fear of flying with Oprah’s pilot.
Good insight. When robots and AI do all the work, and we all lounge about and name our streets after Andrew Yang, the only important thing in life might be to project the right image to all the right people. In other words, Marketing.
American elites don’t fly legacy airlines anymore. For those who can’t afford Net Jets, I just saw an option for smaller planes with a 30 passenger max for California to Las Vegas and Texas flights. I couldn’t find pricing, but it was clear they were aiming it as a step up from 1st class.
Gonna be a lot of complaining about sex hzrrzsment by stews.
“He pressed himself against me…and..and..he said, you want my joystick!”
This is more 5D chess from the secret Trumpist 5th column. Modern elites are powerless to resist a call for retarded black drag queens in the cockpit, and so will create the very plausible deniability that will allow the Trumpists to carry out their very own Smolensk attack. The Storm is coming – and it’ll be a literal storm, because they smuggled one of the CIA’s weather machines into Mar-A-Lago. Trust the plan
Speaking of Uh-Oh:
Nanny State isn’t enough. Time to bring daddy back.
Steve, you accidentally nailed it:
Internal UAL documents project that Rachel Dolezal-style transracialism, in a stunning turnaround, will actually be celebrated by the Woke in the next few years, as is transgenderism currently: That deep-voiced ‘woman of color’ flight crew? White guys in woman-of-colorface.
My understanding of modern commercial aviation is that it is so automated that the technology creates a false illusion that they can actually just plug any affirmative action candidate into the cockpit.
Routine air travel is rather boring for pilots and passengers alike. Pilot skill often only becomes evident when Very Bad Things happen, such as the birdstrikes that disabled both engines on the aircraft Chesley Sullenberger successfully ditched in the Hudson.
But I think Sullenberger was probably atypical of even white pilots. There have certainly been cases in which white male pilots over-relied on automated flight controls and were unable to perform properly when they were required to manually fly the airplane in a crisis situation.
One such incident was an Air France flight that crashed off of Brazil several years ago when the pilot put it into an unrecoverable stall after encountering a thunderstorm at about 30,000 feet.
Another was a commuter plane that crashed Buffalo in 2009. The aircraft had been in automated flight for the entire trip from NYC, but it iced up during the approach and the autopilot disabled itself and forced the pilot to fly manually. He actually overrode the stick pusher and put the airplane in a nose-up attitude as his stall warning indicator was going off, exacerbating the stall into an unrecoverable event and killing all on board. His co-pilot was a 23-year old girl who was as clueless as he was; she stated on the cockpit voice recorder that she had never had to do in inflight deicing just minutes before the crash.
Flying is boring and routine until it isn’t, and when unexpected things happen you have seconds to make the right decision. Plenty of white guys with many hours have fucked up when the SHTF, I can’t even imagine how much worse it will be when marginally-qualified affirmative action hires are put into those situations.
A lot of commercial flying is, as you suggest, about following procedures and going through checklists and paying attention in boring, monotonous circumstances. Women are often good at that sort of thing. Lower IQ folks, maybe not so much.Replies: @Jim Don Bob
I've heard from people in the business that the Captain thought the icing had created a tail stall, which would result in a pitch down, so he had that in his mind when pulling up on the yoke. However, airspeed is airspeed - you need it.
This is not mentioned at all in the news, as it is said the FAA pushed this on the airlines: For at least a decade the regional airlines (at least) were teaching stall recovery completely wrong. That sounds outrageous, but I was there. Rather than the very obvious smooth-but-quick pitch-down (and rolling level afterwards, if not) to unload the wing, get the wing flying again, and then minimize the altitude loss, they had the pilots failing check rides on the SIM if they lost more than 100 ft. while "powering out" of the stall. You would have the stick shaker, if there was one, going off intermittently, you were barely gaining speed, yet you were at 10,000 ft (in the SIM) and not supposed to get lower than 9,9oo ft. Stupid, right? Hey, that's what they were testing people on.
How did you know, if you've never flown anything before that could even break the 250 kt (IAS) speed limit under 10,000 ft in a dive, coming from a piston twin or what-have-you to one of these high-performance planes, that these people didn't know what the fuck they were doing in the training department? I remember thinking "I guess they know what they're doing, though I don't see why this plane is not like any normal plane regarding stalls. I still don't get why we don't practice this at 500 agl and just pass if we don't hit the ground. It's a freakin' simulator - it's not gonna kill you!" (In a Cessna 172, as per International Jew, you go to at least 3,000 ft above the ground, and you have plenty of room to be safe. The 172 is one forgiving puppy though.)Replies: @mmack
"Flying is hours of sheer boredom punctuated by moments of sheer terror!"
It's a fairly accurate description, as these types of aphorisms often are.
I remember once flying on a United flight into Miami when I noticed we were over the tower for WGBS at an altitude that put us in the practice area for students flying out of Opa-Locka airport, the first or second busiest General Aviation airport in America
depending on the season- Long Beach, Ca. was the other. The practice area used several landmarks to demarcate its boundaries- the "bend in the bypass" and the WGBS tower along with the Florida Turnpike being the main ones- the Everglades started just further out. WGBS was (is?) A 50,000 watt clear channel station, so the tower was pretty big and obvious, at low altitudes especially.
My point is the practice area, during daytime especially, was filled with low- time students practicing stalls, slow flight, turns around a point, etc., and were easily distracted, as flying is multitasking all the time. This was in the 70's, when there was a lot less technology on the cockpit. We radioed our positions to the tower as needed, so ATC - Air Traffic Control-knew where some of us were, as most were flying without transponders (which identify individual aircraft to the controller).
Upon disembarcation, I was the last to leave, as I wanted to talk to the Captain. I asked him, casually, how high above the tower we had been. He replied he didn't know, and acted like he didn't care. I said "You know, the practice area" in a non- threatening, conversational, just curious way. He told me he had no idea, didn't know what WGBS or the practice area was as he didn't fly into Miami often. I thanked him and left the plane.
Essentially, he had just gone straight through the practice area at around 200 knots with no awareness that there were lots of students with low levels of situational awareness flying around him.
My instructor had earlier warned me that the big commercial jobs often took just this route and he had a few times barely avoided a mid-air collision by slamming the plane into a full dive when the windscreen suddenly filled with a Jumbo closing at 300 knots.
I think if more people knew how the world really worked they'd shit a brick. I knew a guy who flew Lears into Vegas (small cargo runs- no comment). He told me that he and his co-pilot would go to sleep with the plane on autopilot, cranking the radio volume and squelch up. When they bumbled into controlled airspace, the inquiries from the tower would wake them up.
I'm not making any of this up. There used to be "Lear Jet Cowboys" who would disable overspeed indicators and "push her till she rumbled" which indicated hitting the sound barrier due to transsonic turbulence. This led to several in-flight airframe breakups.it was in the aviation press at the time.
We're heading towards full time Idiocracy.
IIRC, at the time there was talk of Sully flying gliders as a hobby, which would come in handy if you found yourself flying a commercial airliner without engines ... aka a brick with wings.
Gliders sound like they'd be useless, but actually they apparently are pretty effective in military situations. The NS Germans explored using them as they ran out of stuff towards the end, and I believe that raid that rescued Mussolini involved gliders.Replies: @Expletive Deleted
There’s a whole YouTube sub-genre of video clips of women jetliner pilots at work.
The country's previous aeronautic contribution was the original Portuguese words to "Summer Samba", written by the pilot brother of the singer-composer, perhaps even in the air. (Homer Simpson didn't know the words in any language, so he had to hum it outside the Spinal Tap concert.)
Still, as with Canada and basketball, Brazil claims to have been there at the start:Were the Wright brothers really first? Not in Brazil
https://www.fai.org/sites/default/files/article/image/mix.jpg
But this video demos the problem. The best service Caroline and Larissa could offer Brazil would be being at home bearing and nursing and nurturing smart, healthy, white babies.
Somehow I suspect that private jet pilots will still be carefully selected based upon merit...Replies: @Pop Warner, @Truth, @anonymous, @Anonymous, @Nico, @Expletive Deleted, @Dieter Kief
And I guarantee the stewardesses are all young white women
Blast from the past! We’ve had “glass cockpits” for decades now and it’s pretty much like a video game, which reminds me video gamers skew w/m too, don’t they.
Steve says:
We’re almost there, except for things like landing in inclement weather. But as with self-driving cars, so long as it’s safer than the average driver/pilot we’ll be golden.
Unfortunately robots are racist.
Somehow I suspect that private jet pilots will still be carefully selected based upon merit...Replies: @Pop Warner, @Truth, @anonymous, @Anonymous, @Nico, @Expletive Deleted, @Dieter Kief
Why yes.
Because they are retired military and airline pilots with 20 year’s experience.
Looks complicated, but a non-pilot stewardess once took over that 3-crewman model cockpit single-handed and did pretty well, so maybe things’ll work out.
Then he realized who it was.
Jim Tilman (RIP).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tvs2akRAqkReplies: @Angharad, @William Badwhite, @YetAnotherAnon
Great. The one outlier.
"If one can do it, then all can do it."
What could go wrong? How bad can it get?
‘phased.’
Try ‘fazed.’
"Try 'fazed'."
Can't a man daydream about being the captain of a starship without being corrected by a little twerp named Colin?
Somehow I suspect that private jet pilots will still be carefully selected based upon merit...Replies: @Pop Warner, @Truth, @anonymous, @Anonymous, @Nico, @Expletive Deleted, @Dieter Kief
Not until we have a few horrific crashes based on poor pilot judgement. Successfully piloting a jet liner absolutely depends on accurate objective reasoning that is the foundation of good judgement under enormous pressure.
You can’t teach judgement. That’s a highly heritable trait.
A cool, rational head during a vicious nosedive from 33 thousand feet isn’t a trait that has Don Lemon’s, or Ta-Nehisi Coates’s face popping into your mind’s eye.
Observe, and ask yourself, “What would Ta-Nehisi Coates do?”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-K06uGXo_cReplies: @Polistra, @Dave Pinsen, @Jim Christian, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Reg Cæsar, @AnotherDad
“Don’t we look hot in this cockpit?”
Oh, this isn’t going to end well.
PS need new word for cockpit.
It's a small room in the front of the plane, but that's not important right now.
‘Aren’t women of color people?’
That would depend upon the color.
Time to short United stock.
I’ve despised United Airlines since the time long ago that they flew the United Nations flag accompanied with the “We Believe” logo!
United’s current logo was taken from Continental in the merger. Continental’s previous livery was branded, both disparagingly and sentimentally, as “the meatball”.
Well, it appears that the leadership at United is a bunch of meatballs, so they should return to the earlier logo.
By the way,
’tis Tartan Day.
Get oot yer kilt
‘fore blood is spilt!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-K06uGXo_cReplies: @Polistra, @Dave Pinsen, @Jim Christian, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Reg Cæsar, @AnotherDad
I saw one with two German cargo pilots, a male captain and a blonde lady first officer. There was a part where the cameraman must have asked how she got into flying, and she started telling this story about her grandmother asking her to book a sightseeing flight for her and the captain says, “Oh, your grandmother again” or something to that effect, indicating he’s heard this story numerous times.
If you read United’s tweet carefully, it’s not pledging to make “women or people of color” 50% of its new hires, but rather half of those it trains through its United Aviate Academy program. “Trains” and “hires” are not synonymous. Obviously, not all trainees in any training program get hired at the end. This goes double (at least) for United’s Aviate program.
I clicked on the link in the United tweet to this program, and honestly, despite United’s obvious desperate appeals to get women, blacks and Latinos/as/xes to apply (there’s $2.4 million in scholarship funds available — the program’s cost is slightly more than $71,000 — subsidized equally by United and J.P. Morgan Chase), I doubt a lot of them will be interested in what is still a long, hard slog to become a United captain. It’s a lot of work, much of it technical in nature.
Long story short: United isn’t going to send up two of these “Aviate” program types together. Instead, they’ll have a woman or POC for show, and a white guy for go.
Pilot pool is shrinking pretty rapidly so this might also be somewhat motivated by a shortage of quality applicants. Major problem for the USAF for at least the last 6 years or so.
Somehow I suspect that private jet pilots will still be carefully selected based upon merit...Replies: @Pop Warner, @Truth, @anonymous, @Anonymous, @Nico, @Expletive Deleted, @Dieter Kief
The hyper rich are only the teeniest sliver of the anti-American, globalist ruling cadres, Ron. Eighty million people voted for Joe Biden.
Who was it who said one should force one’s opponents (or rulers) to live up to their own rules?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-K06uGXo_cReplies: @Polistra, @Dave Pinsen, @Jim Christian, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Reg Cæsar, @AnotherDad
An Embraer of Jet Blue? I didn’t watch the video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-K06uGXo_cReplies: @Polistra, @Dave Pinsen, @Jim Christian, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Reg Cæsar, @AnotherDad
Hmm. Sub-genre, or dom-genre?
Try 'fazed.'Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Father O'Hara, @SunBakedSuburb
Thanks.
Guess I’ll be driving for my next vacation.
I won’t have a vaccine passport anyway.
I clicked on the link in the United tweet to this program, and honestly, despite United's obvious desperate appeals to get women, blacks and Latinos/as/xes to apply (there's $2.4 million in scholarship funds available -- the program's cost is slightly more than $71,000 -- subsidized equally by United and J.P. Morgan Chase), I doubt a lot of them will be interested in what is still a long, hard slog to become a United captain. It's a lot of work, much of it technical in nature.
Long story short: United isn't going to send up two of these "Aviate" program types together. Instead, they'll have a woman or POC for show, and a white guy for go.Replies: @Anon
Also even after training they will start in a non-UAL regional and only the ones that want to get knocked back down to first officer after making AC will ever work for “official UAL”. Convenient way of passing off the learning curve crashes to a different brand.
Pilot pool is shrinking pretty rapidly so this might also be somewhat motivated by a shortage of quality applicants. Major problem for the USAF for at least the last 6 years or so.
There’s a YouTube account that uses animation and cockpit recordings to recreate disasters. Some were caused by pilots being distracted. E.g., one where they were chatting with each other and a flight attendant on takeoff and forgot to put the flaps at the right setting. According to the video, the NTSB investigation of that crash led to the “sterile cockpit” rule, banning chitchat below 10k feet.
A lot of commercial flying is, as you suggest, about following procedures and going through checklists and paying attention in boring, monotonous circumstances. Women are often good at that sort of thing. Lower IQ folks, maybe not so much.
How long until we see fully woke airliner maintenance crews and depots?
I’m thinking 3 to 5 years tops.
What I've seen is that they are smart enough for what is the basic job, either replacing a small part or deferring, which is just paperwork. However, when compared to white guys who often have a real interest in how things work, and the laziness factor is taken into account, there is a lot more of a "defer, defer, defer" attitude than a work ethic and zeal for keeping the operation running.
This doesn't lead directly to any crash, mind you, just more delays at the hub airports. What happens in the hangars at night is another story. All the little inspection details that get missed cause maintenance delays on the line, but could also cause something in flight that, well, could be handled well if you have at least 1 calm competent pilot up front.Replies: @Old Prude
AWFLs have been snaking the bulk of the Affirmative Action since day one and the artists formerly known as the elites are all to a man completely high on their own supply on the relative merits between men and women. See Biden's statement about not being able to think of one thing women couldn't do better than men.
Theranos Airlines. Women's Lib is even more virulent on the "right" than the left these days.Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @glib, @Sick 'n Tired
Oh look, 10 seconds of searching and I found a multitude of things where women don’t even come close to men:
https://www.openpowerlifting.org/records
https://nypost.com/2019/07/30/transgender-weightlifter-laurel-hubbards-gold-medal-sparks-fierce-debate/Replies: @Brutusale
AWFLs have been snaking the bulk of the Affirmative Action since day one and the artists formerly known as the elites are all to a man completely high on their own supply on the relative merits between men and women. See Biden's statement about not being able to think of one thing women couldn't do better than men.
Theranos Airlines. Women's Lib is even more virulent on the "right" than the left these days.Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @glib, @Sick 'n Tired
Close to what I had in mind. Thanatos Airlines works for me.
Not all of them:
Some women are of color people, but some women are of White people.
Few wealthy people own private jets — unless you’re always in the air it’s crazy expensive to keep a flight staff on salary and hanger a jet. But there are charter services.
I can see a world where the companies that handle chartered jets get woke. What happens after that will be interesting. There could be “pods” formed by small groups of the superrich to co-own a jet. This is pretty common for the ordinary rich who are pilots for small jets and for helicopters, where the co-owners share the craft and then leave it at an airport to be used for flight training by all comers when not in use.
I expect that the hiring of staff for pilots of corporate-owned jets involves HR? There’s DEI right there.
I could see the superrich suddenly get interested in entrepreneurial startups of bespoke jet chartering services, staffed by unwoke Israelis or Russians.
Security consultant to the stars Gavin de Becker somehow managed to build a private terminal at LAX for rich people, and he’s building others at other airports. You don’t have to interact with any more people than necessary, they bring in customs and immigration staff as needed just for you, and they drive you to the plane in a limo for boarding.
https://www.businessinsider.com/private-suite-lax-terminal-wealthy-travelers-photos-tour-2018-10
Candid Camera pulled a prank with Fannie Flagg posing as a female pilot on her first flight:
Here’s Peter Funt playing a pilot on an obviously broken airplane:
The word “should” has been out of fashion for 20 years – too judgmental. But they whip it out in this context.
In fairness, SAA have been doing preferential hiring of black and particularly black female pilots for quite a while now (Though a lot if not most of their pilots are still white) and so far have not had any excess of incidents attributable to pilots. Pilot certification is fairly well regulated.
Maintenance is where you need to be very wary, there are a million and one ways you can make a mistake through indifference. Like genuinely, I’d actually be very wary of flying any airline that has compromised hiring standards on maintenance staff or more precisely, the management of the maintenance staff.
1. They were intentionally weeding out non-whites and women.
2. They will be lowering hiring standards and offering remedial-remedial training/gimmes.
I wonder if #2 has ever backfired.Replies: @Wilkey, @stillCARealist
Yes, this. They are either acknowledging that they have been discriminating all along, or else they seem to think they can somehow snap their fingers and make half their pilots female or minority.
Or else they’re simply going to lower standards. But many of those standards are set by the FAA. I wouldn’t be surprised if Woke racial discrimination has crept in to the FAA to the point that they would lower standards, but probably not just yet. I can’t think of anything more likely to incite voter anger against AA quotas than random jetliners full of 200 passengers crashing into the ground because the airline was forced to hire a black pilot.
It has already happened to some extent, though: recently with a black Atlas Air pilot who crashed an Amazon cargo plane and killed all the crew, and more anciently with an unqualified black FedEx or UPS pilot who tried to crash a plane into the ground but was stopped by the crew. Fortunately neither of those planes had hundreds of passengers on board.
Ultimately it may just all be posturing. Just because a company says they’re going to do something doesn’t mean there’s any chance of them actually doing it. But United Airlines has a black president and a Hispanic chairman of the board, plus two black female board members, so maybe they’re serious.
Two fitty to tree hundred an hour to put a jet in auto pilot for a two or tree hours? Oh hell yeah, cuz. Less just grease this boy on some small runway around Honduras at the Tegucigalpa airport, baby. Oh hell, yeah, playa. Call me Clyde The Glide Worldwide.
“Generally speaking, elites take a lot of plane trips. ..”
Including on helicopters so they don’t care that much about their safety.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/helicopter-crashes-alaska-killing-injuring-76737154
My spidey sense tells me that there’s somthing sneaky in this announcement. I was under the impression that pilot hiring was way down, at least for big jets, and has been for years. They may be hiring for United Express on smaller aircraft from Embraer and Bombadier (these jobs are terrible and low paid). They also have a cargo unit, United Cargo, where if you crash you just end up killing yourself and destroying a bunch of Amazon.com shipments … and maybe a few million Covid vaccine doses.
At any rate, I wonder if there is a pilot labor union negotiation angle lurking under the surface?
In general I don’t think blacks are really into the pay-your-dues with the long-term outcome in mind sort of career. Part of the reason that there are no New York white-shoe corporate law firm black partners is because you need to work 80 hours a week for years to get there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-K06uGXo_cReplies: @Polistra, @Dave Pinsen, @Jim Christian, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Reg Cæsar, @AnotherDad
Caroline and Larissa flying an aircraft designed and built in Brazil.
Oh, meu Deus!
The country’s previous aeronautic contribution was the original Portuguese words to “Summer Samba“, written by the pilot brother of the singer-composer, perhaps even in the air. (Homer Simpson didn’t know the words in any language, so he had to hum it outside the Spinal Tap concert.)
Still, as with Canada and basketball, Brazil claims to have been there at the start:
Were the Wright brothers really first? Not in Brazil
Vagina?
One of the two pilots of the plane carrying the late Senator Paul Wellstone was a POC. They got distracted in poor visibility, forgot to check airspeed, leading to a fatal stall.
My, what a coinky-dink.
What?! tax accountants aren’t all black women? Madison Avenue is lying? Are pharmacists not mostly black women either?
And a terrifying death awaits. Plus, you pay for it.
There are alternatives to America. It’s does require some initial effort. But there are places across the planet not dedicated to killing you. Do your research.
I’m hell banned on YT – I can’t copy links but look up “Shirley Liquor Ebonics Airways. ”
I’m not sure if this is the last commercial plane crash that led to fatalities in the USA but a 24 year old woman was the co-pilot. I remember at the time the media skirted around this fact and highlighted the flight hours that were evidently to onerous.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colgan_Air_Flight_3407
The co-pilot was nothing great either, but was exhausted. An alert and competent co-pilot could certainly have helped.
Regional airlines pay their pilots very little resulting in many of them commuting to work - if one is assigned to New York for example but you make $20k many choose to live someplace cheaper, grab a jump seat to work, fly their trips, then fly back home rather than live in a hovel in Queens.
They also fly long days with lots of "legs". Lots of legs means lots of takeoffs and landings (the most stressful part of a leg) and no time to grab some sleep en route (technically not permitted on domestic flights but it happens anyway). If you're flying NY-LA and have six hours to burn, its not unusual for an exhausted pilot to tell the other "I'm going to close my eyes for an hour or so". If you're flying Philly to Syracuse you're into the approach sequence not long after departure.
Regional flying is a job best filled by young (better able to withstand being tired) and hungry (love flying so on average probably better at it than dabblers like the Colgan hack) pilots.
Generally speaking, if one is scared of flying, you have more reason to be on some of these commuter airlines - particularly in poor weather, and really so late in the night. If you're flying into Buffalo at 10pm on a regional, there's a good chance your pilot hasn't slept in 16 hours or more.Replies: @El Dato, @Achmed E. Newman
The female captain--Air Force fighter veteran--landed the plane successfully.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwest_Airlines_Flight_1380
I believe that is currently the last US passenger airline (caused) fatality, though not a crash.
Include commercial cargo airlines, i believe it's the Atlas Air flight for Amazon (Prime Air), where the Caribbean black guy flew the plane in a nose dive into a swamp at the north end of Trinity Bay (Trinity River entrance to Galveston Bay).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_Air_Flight_3591#Accident
(Of course, i have an aversion to GHW Bush as well, but that's taking it too far.)
"He pressed himself against me...and..and..he said, you want my joystick!"Replies: @Stan Adams
“They don’t call it the cockpit for nothing!” – George Kennedy in The Concorde … Airport ’79 (1979)
In any event, since no one has posted a clip of the automatic pilot from Airplane!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMhYl74vw2cReplies: @Stan Adams, @James J O'Meara
I applaud the airline and hereby demand that “United” be dropped from the company name, as it stifles my uniqueness and ignores the specificity of my victimhood. “Nonbinary Airlines” is a much better company name.
I further demand the right to pilot a plane not shaped like a penis, symbol of toxic masculinity. There’s no reason an airliner cannot resemble my clitoris, labia, and pussy-hole.
And the job title of “Captain” is egregiously chauvinistic and triggers the livin’ shit out of me! I will name my job title to reflect my values and attributes–“Queen-Bitch-in-Charge” will do nicely.
And I will inspect all passengers boarding my plane, removing anyone I deem insufficiently “woke.”
I’m so excited to “Fly the friendly skies of Nonbinary!”
“We’ve slipped the surly bonds of white cis supremacy to touch the face of ... oh, God. We’re going to crash!”
(My iPhone keeps changing cis to via. Are Apple’s wokeness standards slipping?)
How long before the first inside-the-cockpit brawl?
Two recent incidents:
"Two Iraqi Airways pilots had an argument during a flight and physically fought at 37,000 feet, AirLive.net reports. The aircraft, which left from an Iranian airport on Wednesday and was headed to Iraq, was carrying 157 passengers."
"Jet Airways has fired two pilots who allegedly fought inside the cockpit of a London-Mumbai flight last week."
Those 2 pilots and the flight engineer fought off the guy while flying the plane, even doing severe maneuvers. The pilots got hurt badly enough to where they couldn't fly again.
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* Yes, they are still on every A/C, which is fine with me - great for opening a flight attendant's can of beans during a quick turn when the TSA has taken her little P-38 can opener.Replies: @Liza
So we’re told, and why doubt it, eh? Imagine the face of unpopular loser Barack Obama when he found out.
I'm thinking 3 to 5 years tops.Replies: @Pericles, @Achmed E. Newman
Fully woke POC FAA crash investigators when?
“How long before the first inside-the-cockpit brawl?”
Two recent incidents:
“Two Iraqi Airways pilots had an argument during a flight and physically fought at 37,000 feet, AirLive.net reports. The aircraft, which left from an Iranian airport on Wednesday and was headed to Iraq, was carrying 157 passengers.”
“Jet Airways has fired two pilots who allegedly fought inside the cockpit of a London-Mumbai flight last week.”
AWFLs have been snaking the bulk of the Affirmative Action since day one and the artists formerly known as the elites are all to a man completely high on their own supply on the relative merits between men and women. See Biden's statement about not being able to think of one thing women couldn't do better than men.
Theranos Airlines. Women's Lib is even more virulent on the "right" than the left these days.Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @glib, @Sick 'n Tired
Obviously Biden has never watched a Men’s PGA event or WNBA game.
Exactly this.
The Air France example is terrifying, in that it demonstrates that pilots these days don’t even appear to be taught how to be pilots.
That is all correct, but there are two pilots on every airplane, and you only really need one to handle an emergency. So the co-pilot can be an incompetent affirmative action hire. As many as 50% of the pilots can be incompetent, as long as they do not put two of them on one flight.
I’ve always recommended avoiding third world airlines, but now it seems that we’ve decided to invite the third world into our airline cockpits.
https://www.si.com/.image/t_share/MTY4MjU4NjgzOTcxOTcwOTQ1/cockpit1jpg.jpg
They’ll hit that goal by hiring more Asian and Arab pilots and the one Black female co-pilot they hire will be assigned to full-time poster-posing duty.
Landings on the other hand may not go as planned.Replies: @JimDandy
Maintenance is where you need to be very wary, there are a million and one ways you can make a mistake through indifference. Like genuinely, I'd actually be very wary of flying any airline that has compromised hiring standards on maintenance staff or more precisely, the management of the maintenance staff.Replies: @Jeano, @Johnny Smoggins
You may want to look up the recent SAA trip to Europe to pick up a few doses of vaccine- it did not go well on many fronts, including the usual attempts at a cover-up and playing the race card. The future is here.
They really don’t want us flying anymore do they.
Arab pilots can take off.
Landings on the other hand may not go as planned.
So, in recent days we had a Muslim in Colorado waste 10 infidels, a black-Muslim kill a Capitol cop, a couple Texas Muslims kill some of their own as well as themselves, and now a black Navy medic named Fantahun Girma Woldesenbet has shot two sailers before the cops ended him."White nationalism" wears many masks, I guess.
Try 'fazed.'Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Father O'Hara, @SunBakedSuburb
Not fazed by being corrected?
The people who own and run the World don’t fly commercial. They’ll be just fine.
The only people who even remotely matter who would be put in danger by this are those who fly Business and 1st Class. They are but the servitors of the truly wealthy. And while their deaths would be tragic (we’ll send flowers), they can easily be replaced. To understand how the vastly wealthy think, you must imagine how the Duc de Berry would think. There are always plenty of knights who would vie to serve the Duke. The loss of this or that Seigneur is of no great importance.
As for the steerage in Economy? Who would even notice? Those people are fungible economic consumption units. They matter not a bit.
Anyway, COVID xx (19 being the first in the series) is driving a stake through the heart of commercial air travel or international travel of any kind. The elite don’t want the hoi-polloi travelling by air, and pretty soon they won’t be. No more beach weekends in Cabo. No more raves in Ibiza.
The World does not exist for your pleasure, peon. Stay in your hovel, smoke your weed, and watch Netflix, like a responsible carbon-conscious World-citizen.
Piloting is serious business.
Granted, these commercial jets do mostly “fly themselves” these days but if something does go wrong you want someone who knows what they’re doing like Captain Sully. And the good news is, we waste a ton of taxpayer money on global air supremacy and lots of young men want to be cool fighter pilots and we know how to identify and train them. We have tons of people overqualified to fly commercial airliners.
Affirmative action for piloting planes is really not what you want. How many planes did John McCain crash due to nepotism-affirmative action? Five?
And I’m old enough to remember when people thought affirmative action for something like piloting planes with hundreds of lives at at stake was considered some kind of reductio ad absurdum (like, three years ago?).
I’m not mocking women of color* when I say it’s no shame to not be an elite pilot–I highly doubt I could be one. But we have lots of men in the Air Force/Navy/Marines/Army who are really, really good pilots who want to transition into cushy jobs at United. It’s absolutely nutty to suggest we have a shortage of pilots and the planes are rotting on the runways.
*I am mocking John McCain, though. Fuck that guy.
And Taiwan claims not only the entirety of China and Mongolia, but bits and pieces of Russia, India, Pakistan, Bhutan, Afghanistan, and a few others. Good luck reaching that goal, too.
(On the other hand, they would certainly fix the time zone cliff at the Wachan Corridor. Wouldn’t they?)
Speaking as an experienced pilot of all kinds of fixed-wing and rotary Microsoft Flight Simulator aircraft, with thousands of hours experience and hundreds of non-fatal landings under my belt, “autopilot” doesn’t mean what it sounds like. It’s not a button you push that tells the plane, “fly yourself”. What it is, is a collection of tools that you need to set just right, or they won’t do what you want them to do. It’s actually easier to fly a fully manual plane like the Cessna 172.
https://www.openpowerlifting.org/recordsReplies: @Anonymous
Nonsense! Look at this dainty poppet showing the men up.
https://nypost.com/2019/07/30/transgender-weightlifter-laurel-hubbards-gold-medal-sparks-fierce-debate/
This being April Mathis:
https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2FsTjYrv921yQ%2Fmaxresdefault.jpg&f=1&nofb=1Replies: @Anonymous
World Star Hip-Hip Airways!
One of these coming to an Airport near you
https://www.bbc.com/news/topics/cdl8n2edezlt/zambia
“Ethiopian Airlines says it’s co-operating with an investigation by Zambian authorities after one of its cargo planes mistakenly landed at an airport still under construction in Ndola, a city in the Copperbelt province.”
If it makes you feel any better they’re already hiring every female and POC they can waiver into the training. Been doing it for decades.
Probably just a 2 for 1:
1 – Street cred with the woke mob
2 – Lower wages for pilots
“Muh joystick…”
I cannae read well, and I’m note gud at numbers too. Can I still became a pilote.
Why?
Including on helicopters so they don't care that much about their safety.Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
Billionaires heli-skiing is different!:
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/helicopter-crashes-alaska-killing-injuring-76737154
In my scariest airline experience (trying to land in Damascus during a sandstorm before giving up and diverting to Amman) I remember thinking thank god the pilot is Austrian.
There are other cases of seeming deliberate crashes (or the Malaysian Air disappearance) where the pilots were later thought to be depressed over something. Mainly in third world airlines. You do not want to hear "Alleu Akbar" over the pilot's intercom.
So perhaps state of mental health is more important than race.
The only white people in ads are the white women coupled with a black man in every. single. damn. ad.
I am glad to see that the comments on that tweet are very, very sensible. They are especially harsh whenever the airline’s social media person pops up to defend the policy and claims that everyone will have to meet the same standards.
The sad thing is, said social media person, who I’m guess is a child, probably believes that.
I'm thinking 3 to 5 years tops.Replies: @Pericles, @Achmed E. Newman
Mr. Howard, there are loads of black mechanics in line maintenance now. A big share of them seem to have accents from the islands or somewhere, though it’s hard to tell when they still have the face masks on. (Most are as sick of that crap as anyone.)
What I’ve seen is that they are smart enough for what is the basic job, either replacing a small part or deferring, which is just paperwork. However, when compared to white guys who often have a real interest in how things work, and the laziness factor is taken into account, there is a lot more of a “defer, defer, defer” attitude than a work ethic and zeal for keeping the operation running.
This doesn’t lead directly to any crash, mind you, just more delays at the hub airports. What happens in the hangars at night is another story. All the little inspection details that get missed cause maintenance delays on the line, but could also cause something in flight that, well, could be handled well if you have at least 1 calm competent pilot up front.
My experiences flying commercial the last fifteen years has been that there are a hell of a lot more maintenance delays than when I was a frequent flyer in my youth. Lets not even discuss the delays and time wasted at security theater. "I'm sorry sir. You cannot take that left-over chili aboard."
Dr. X, regarding the Colgan Air Buffalo crash:
I’ve heard from people in the business that the Captain thought the icing had created a tail stall, which would result in a pitch down, so he had that in his mind when pulling up on the yoke. However, airspeed is airspeed – you need it.
This is not mentioned at all in the news, as it is said the FAA pushed this on the airlines: For at least a decade the regional airlines (at least) were teaching stall recovery completely wrong. That sounds outrageous, but I was there. Rather than the very obvious smooth-but-quick pitch-down (and rolling level afterwards, if not) to unload the wing, get the wing flying again, and then minimize the altitude loss, they had the pilots failing check rides on the SIM if they lost more than 100 ft. while “powering out” of the stall. You would have the stick shaker, if there was one, going off intermittently, you were barely gaining speed, yet you were at 10,000 ft (in the SIM) and not supposed to get lower than 9,9oo ft. Stupid, right? Hey, that’s what they were testing people on.
How did you know, if you’ve never flown anything before that could even break the 250 kt (IAS) speed limit under 10,000 ft in a dive, coming from a piston twin or what-have-you to one of these high-performance planes, that these people didn’t know what the fuck they were doing in the training department? I remember thinking “I guess they know what they’re doing, though I don’t see why this plane is not like any normal plane regarding stalls. I still don’t get why we don’t practice this at 500 agl and just pass if we don’t hit the ground. It’s a freakin’ simulator – it’s not gonna kill you!” (In a Cessna 172, as per International Jew, you go to at least 3,000 ft above the ground, and you have plenty of room to be safe. The 172 is one forgiving puppy though.)
Having done the bulk of my flight training and flying in a Cessna 172, I will say it is the replacement for the Piper Cub: It's the safest airplane in the world, it can just barely kill you.
Stunned on the 100 ft. altitude loss requirement. If you are 200 ft AGL (Take off departure or power off landing stall territory) then yes, a 100 ft. margin is a split second from becoming a big smoking hole in the Earth. 500 ft AGL? I agree with your assessment.
Read the harrowing story of Auburn Calloway a (in ~ VDare terminology) case of Disgruntled Minority syndrome. For reasons of disgruntlement and wanting his family to get insurance money, he jumpseated on a DC-10 operating as FedEx 705 out of Memphis in April of 1994 and attacked the 3-man crew with the crash axe.*
Those 2 pilots and the flight engineer fought off the guy while flying the plane, even doing severe maneuvers. The pilots got hurt badly enough to where they couldn’t fly again.
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* Yes, they are still on every A/C, which is fine with me – great for opening a flight attendant’s can of beans during a quick turn when the TSA has taken her little P-38 can opener.
Did you ever watch a re-enactment of this on that series about air disasters? I saw it years ago and saved it because I felt that it might not be readily available one fine day. If you can still find it, well then I guess I was wrong.
If the re-enactment gets re-made, I feel pretty confident that Calloway will somehow become light skinned and the brave pilots and flight engineer magically pigmented.
Back when I was an active pilot, the saying used was:
“Flying is hours of sheer boredom punctuated by moments of sheer terror!”
It’s a fairly accurate description, as these types of aphorisms often are.
I remember once flying on a United flight into Miami when I noticed we were over the tower for WGBS at an altitude that put us in the practice area for students flying out of Opa-Locka airport, the first or second busiest General Aviation airport in America
depending on the season- Long Beach, Ca. was the other. The practice area used several landmarks to demarcate its boundaries- the “bend in the bypass” and the WGBS tower along with the Florida Turnpike being the main ones- the Everglades started just further out. WGBS was (is?) A 50,000 watt clear channel station, so the tower was pretty big and obvious, at low altitudes especially.
My point is the practice area, during daytime especially, was filled with low- time students practicing stalls, slow flight, turns around a point, etc., and were easily distracted, as flying is multitasking all the time. This was in the 70’s, when there was a lot less technology on the cockpit. We radioed our positions to the tower as needed, so ATC – Air Traffic Control-knew where some of us were, as most were flying without transponders (which identify individual aircraft to the controller).
Upon disembarcation, I was the last to leave, as I wanted to talk to the Captain. I asked him, casually, how high above the tower we had been. He replied he didn’t know, and acted like he didn’t care. I said “You know, the practice area” in a non- threatening, conversational, just curious way. He told me he had no idea, didn’t know what WGBS or the practice area was as he didn’t fly into Miami often. I thanked him and left the plane.
Essentially, he had just gone straight through the practice area at around 200 knots with no awareness that there were lots of students with low levels of situational awareness flying around him.
My instructor had earlier warned me that the big commercial jobs often took just this route and he had a few times barely avoided a mid-air collision by slamming the plane into a full dive when the windscreen suddenly filled with a Jumbo closing at 300 knots.
I think if more people knew how the world really worked they’d shit a brick. I knew a guy who flew Lears into Vegas (small cargo runs- no comment). He told me that he and his co-pilot would go to sleep with the plane on autopilot, cranking the radio volume and squelch up. When they bumbled into controlled airspace, the inquiries from the tower would wake them up.
I’m not making any of this up. There used to be “Lear Jet Cowboys” who would disable overspeed indicators and “push her till she rumbled” which indicated hitting the sound barrier due to transsonic turbulence. This led to several in-flight airframe breakups.it was in the aviation press at the time.
We’re heading towards full time Idiocracy.
Haha, I can’t believe you guys are worried about this. Worry less about affirmative action (which is meritocratic now that there are enough right-of-bell-curve minorities and Asians) and more about the cost cutting measures that airplane companies have been implementing since the 2000s:
airbusvertstabs.blogspot.com
Ah Steve,
Racial discrimination against white commercial airline pilots is alive & well in S.A. Here’s one article. In addition, the older white South African man who runs youtube’s “Loving Life” channel did a video on the firing of experienced white pilots, no matter how excellent their record, simply to get rid of more white people.
No country for white men: SAA’s “racist” snub of prospective pilots
Outrage as South African Airways announces 40 new cadets for its pilot training programme – and not one of them is a white male. by Megan Hutchison 22-07-2020 12:45
https://www.thesouthafrican.com/news/no-country-for-white-men-saas-racist-snub-of-prospective-pilots/
In the documentary about the Ali-Foreman fight there is a segment with Ali sitting in the cockpit with the black African pilots. The sight of black men flying the plane was an inspiration to Ali. He shouts how American blacks are taught from birth not to expect to be able to do this kind of job. He praises the pilots for their skill and their ability to speak multiple languages. It’s quite a heartbreaking scene IMO. Sorry I couldn’t find the clip online.
Remember that even though it’s George Kennedy and the line sounds trite, this was not a parody movie. It was done sincerely. The parody came the next year with Leslie Nielsen. Kennedy refused to appear, not wanting to bite the hand that feeds him. Kicking himself, he reconsidered seven years later when they made The Naked Gun.
In any event, since no one has posted a clip of the automatic pilot from Airplane!
New: "Wow, "Airplane!" turned out to be a documentary!"
This probably applies
Meanwhile, young “green” 30-somethings in charge of fixing everything.
Green mayor tells French children to give up on their dreams of aviation as Air France accepts a €4 billion state rescue package
I've heard from people in the business that the Captain thought the icing had created a tail stall, which would result in a pitch down, so he had that in his mind when pulling up on the yoke. However, airspeed is airspeed - you need it.
This is not mentioned at all in the news, as it is said the FAA pushed this on the airlines: For at least a decade the regional airlines (at least) were teaching stall recovery completely wrong. That sounds outrageous, but I was there. Rather than the very obvious smooth-but-quick pitch-down (and rolling level afterwards, if not) to unload the wing, get the wing flying again, and then minimize the altitude loss, they had the pilots failing check rides on the SIM if they lost more than 100 ft. while "powering out" of the stall. You would have the stick shaker, if there was one, going off intermittently, you were barely gaining speed, yet you were at 10,000 ft (in the SIM) and not supposed to get lower than 9,9oo ft. Stupid, right? Hey, that's what they were testing people on.
How did you know, if you've never flown anything before that could even break the 250 kt (IAS) speed limit under 10,000 ft in a dive, coming from a piston twin or what-have-you to one of these high-performance planes, that these people didn't know what the fuck they were doing in the training department? I remember thinking "I guess they know what they're doing, though I don't see why this plane is not like any normal plane regarding stalls. I still don't get why we don't practice this at 500 agl and just pass if we don't hit the ground. It's a freakin' simulator - it's not gonna kill you!" (In a Cessna 172, as per International Jew, you go to at least 3,000 ft above the ground, and you have plenty of room to be safe. The 172 is one forgiving puppy though.)Replies: @mmack
“The 172 is one forgiving puppy though.”
Having done the bulk of my flight training and flying in a Cessna 172, I will say it is the replacement for the Piper Cub: It’s the safest airplane in the world, it can just barely kill you.
Stunned on the 100 ft. altitude loss requirement. If you are 200 ft AGL (Take off departure or power off landing stall territory) then yes, a 100 ft. margin is a split second from becoming a big smoking hole in the Earth. 500 ft AGL? I agree with your assessment.
If the incompetent pilot also happens to be the pilot in command, the unwillingness of the competent first officer to contradict the more-senior crew member can be a big problem. An incompetent first officer who interferes with the actions of a competent commander can also lead to disaster.
This topic was on my mind exactly a week ago.
We can only hope Delta does this the African Way.
I travelled internationally last year to Cape Down SA – went through Dubai UAE, went through Ethiopia on the way back. I flew Emmeretts airlines on the way to SA and Ethiopian Airlines and then United from Washington DC to Chicago.
I was very, very impressed with the flight attendants on all the airlines except United – it was a throw back in time. The Flight attendants were young, very attractive and took great pride in their work. The Airline companies definitely wanted these beautiful young women to represent their airlines and their countries.
In contrast the United Airlines flight attendant was older, over weight and unfriendly.
In the two 737 Max crashes, 100% of the pilots in the cockpit were incompetent. In the Atlas Air cargo plane crash in Texas, a wildly incompetent black copilot flew the plane into the ground. The plane was too low for the captain to recover in time.
I’ve always recommended avoiding third world airlines, but now it seems that we’ve decided to invite the third world into our airline cockpits.
Yeah.
“If one can do it, then all can do it.”
What could go wrong? How bad can it get?
Even Jews want their pilot to sound like Chuck Yeager or Robert Conrad, not Woody Allen or Joan Rivers.
1. They were intentionally weeding out non-whites and women.
2. They will be lowering hiring standards and offering remedial-remedial training/gimmes.
I wonder if #2 has ever backfired.Replies: @Wilkey, @stillCARealist
The non-whites they’re talking about are most likely Asians or white Hispanics. Do you think those people are going to put up with incompetent co-pilots?
Try 'fazed.'Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Father O'Hara, @SunBakedSuburb
“‘phased’”
“Try ‘fazed’.”
Can’t a man daydream about being the captain of a starship without being corrected by a little twerp named Colin?
Affirmative action hire drives bus into shelter, three killed.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/aissatou-diallo-westboro-bus-crash-trial-opening-1.5958889
https://nypost.com/2019/07/30/transgender-weightlifter-laurel-hubbards-gold-medal-sparks-fierce-debate/Replies: @Brutusale
I opened the original link to check the record lifts, and I noticed that the super-heavyweight women’s records were dominated by a delicate flower of womanhood named April Mathis.
This being April Mathis:
https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2FsTjYrv921yQ%2Fmaxresdefault.jpg&f=1&nofb=1
I’d say that I’ll avoid United from now on, but they were already the worst of all the American lines, which is saying something, and I’ve been avoiding them for almost ten years. Remember the ridiculous “re-accommodation” incident?
It tracks with the theory that many if not most of the companies desperately eager to go woke are the ones that are already in a death spiral and about to go broke, it just might not be obvious to the general public yet. Generally they are positioning themselves for some kind of handouts, for which these antics are often a sort of audition. United will be demanding bailout money soon – count on it. A thorough audit would probably uncover a cash flow already highly dependent on government aid and mysterious NGOs.
The transformation of a functioning company into social justice dead weight is obviously bad for employees and customers, but it’s pretty lucrative for the executives, at least for the 5-10 years of downward coasting, which is as far into the future as they care to worry about.
Cabin crew on flight from SFO didn’t tell us anything, and didn’t care. They also forgot to bring the baby stroller from cargo bay to the jetway.
United rep in HKG said sorry nothing can do you’ll have to spend the night in the airport. This with a 1 year old baby and pregnant wife.
I raised hell. Finally they arranged a room and helped us thru HK immigration for the night.
I could tell United mgmt didn’t give a damn about their employees or customers. Employees all hated working there.
We fly only Asian carriers now.
I further demand the right to pilot a plane not shaped like a penis, symbol of toxic masculinity. There's no reason an airliner cannot resemble my clitoris, labia, and pussy-hole.
And the job title of "Captain" is egregiously chauvinistic and triggers the livin' shit out of me! I will name my job title to reflect my values and attributes--"Queen-Bitch-in-Charge" will do nicely.
And I will inspect all passengers boarding my plane, removing anyone I deem insufficiently "woke."
I'm so excited to "Fly the friendly skies of Nonbinary!"Replies: @Stan Adams
Too much paperwork. Just change the name to Untied, to signify that the company is no longer moored to anything (especially reality).
“We’ve slipped the surly bonds of white cis supremacy to touch the face of … oh, God. We’re going to crash!”
(My iPhone keeps changing cis to via. Are Apple’s wokeness standards slipping?)
Maintenance is where you need to be very wary, there are a million and one ways you can make a mistake through indifference. Like genuinely, I'd actually be very wary of flying any airline that has compromised hiring standards on maintenance staff or more precisely, the management of the maintenance staff.Replies: @Jeano, @Johnny Smoggins
You first…….
Still waiting to see a burglar alarm company commercial that uses a POC burglar. They always use a goofy looking white guy with a cheesy mustache and ski mask. POC actors should protest.
In any event, since no one has posted a clip of the automatic pilot from Airplane!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMhYl74vw2cReplies: @Stan Adams, @James J O'Meara
“Coffee, tea, or me?”
This will be a boon for Asian guys.
I know a young Asian guy–HS friend of AnotherChildren, a fine young man–working away building his career. Has done the Alaska stuff and just got his 747 ticket a few months back. His plan–in progress–has been working the cargo side to get up to international faster. But heck, if you slap a 50% anti-white quota on the majors … he could zip in there no problem.
As minoritarianism boils down to its explicit whack-the-white-gentiles root and gets pushed anywhere and everywhere, it is a gift for Asian guys on the technical side. White guys’ technical ability and hard work built America. And there simply aren’t enough NAMs and women interested/competent to fill these huge anti-white quotas. So as long as these quotas remain simply anti-white and do not progress to parceling out specific–14% black, 18% Latino, 50% women, 2% queers …–numbers, Asian guys are in high cotton.
Korean Air Cargo flight 8509": -- (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZElWMMMn7c)(Mentour Pilot, 2-12-2021)
Something I’ve noticed from many, many flights with top Asian airlines like Cathay Pacific and Singapore Airlines is that the pilots are all middle aged White men, and the flight attendants are all attractive, young Asian women. No blacks to be seen anywhere. It’s a perfect situation.
Contrast that with U.S. based airlines where you get surly, entitled middle aged women as the flight attendants and affirmative action hire pilots.
Bottom Line: fly non American airlines for international flights, take the bus in America.
Then he realized who it was.
Jim Tilman (RIP).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tvs2akRAqkReplies: @Angharad, @William Badwhite, @YetAnotherAnon
There are quite a few black airline pilots currently and for the most part they’re just fine. Anecdotally, I’d rather fly with a black man than most women.
They chose to pursue a career that requires a bit of sacrifice to get there: either the military route to build time, which isn’t exactly suffering but does require commitment, or the civilian route doing things like flying freight, for a corporation, working as a flight instructor (an awful job), and numerous other things. This tends to screen for people that really want to get those jobs (usually) because they like flying, more than the money (good but not great).
There’s not just anywhere close to enough of them to fill the 50% or 25% or even 13% to be in line with the general population. United will either a) fall well short of this 50% goal, or b) they will have demonstrably worse pilots, which will mostly show up in things like repeatedly failing check rides, though the odd extra accident will happen as well.
Btw this screen is the primary reason there aren’t many women airline pilots. There just aren’t that many women that want to make the sacrifice necessary to get the job. Heaven forbid people be allowed to pursue the careers they want, as well as forgo the careers they don’t want.
Agreed, but if the pilot isn’t closely monitoring the weather conditions and the performance of the aircraft, he may not react fast enough and make the right decision if the conditions degrade and the autopilot kicks itself off because it can no longer maintain flight within the parameters that he had previously set.
Our “green” future could resolve the problem:
“Children Should No Longer Dream of Aviation.”
“Last week, Leonore Moncond’huy, the newly elected Green Party mayor of Poitiers, France (population 90,000) cut funding for a local charity which provides children with disabilities the opportunity to take sightseeing flights at the local aerodrome. The mayor explained that this was part of her commitment to remove subsidies for hobbies that rely on non-renewable resources. The city has also defunded local flying clubs.
During a town hall meeting, the mayor stated that the government needs to protect children from certain aspirations. Specifically, she explained that “aviation should no longer be part of today’s children’s dreams.”
https://thenationalpulse.com/analysis/green-mayor-children-should-no-longer-dream-of-aviation/
Then Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley decided to "X"-out the air strip because his wife objected.
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-7hTuoSzkbf4/XJ94GpqRCwI/AAAAAAAAFPg/ms989_hlL9ERLT5MWyMm-MWSS5zywiKwwCLcBGAs/s1600/Meigs_IL_rw_tornup_03.jpgThis is another example of how AnotherDad's "Schoolmarms" are an actual menace to preserving modernity.
Those 2 pilots and the flight engineer fought off the guy while flying the plane, even doing severe maneuvers. The pilots got hurt badly enough to where they couldn't fly again.
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* Yes, they are still on every A/C, which is fine with me - great for opening a flight attendant's can of beans during a quick turn when the TSA has taken her little P-38 can opener.Replies: @Liza
Why, I was just about to comment on Auburn Calloway, but you beat me to it. My interpretation is that you better let ex-navy pilots into the commercial flying industry as pilots instead of bumping them down to flight engineers. Their egos can’t handle it. Anyway, Calloway was a fine physical specimen.
Did you ever watch a re-enactment of this on that series about air disasters? I saw it years ago and saved it because I felt that it might not be readily available one fine day. If you can still find it, well then I guess I was wrong.
If the re-enactment gets re-made, I feel pretty confident that Calloway will somehow become light skinned and the brave pilots and flight engineer magically pigmented.
Should be "fazed"Replies: @Liza, @Ralph L
A common error, at least on the interwebz.
Another, more ghastly, mistake is “ect” instead of “etc” for et cetera. How I wish I had a dime for every time I encountered that. And those are only 2 examples.
This being April Mathis:
https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2FsTjYrv921yQ%2Fmaxresdefault.jpg&f=1&nofb=1Replies: @Anonymous
Remember: If you don’t think that April is the epitome of female endeavour and physical accomplishment then it is you who have the problem.
Most airlines (used to) get their pilots from the military. That’s changing now, and many, if not most come up through the ranks of regional carriers. And those pilots in many cases had to pay for hours and hours of private flight school out of their own pockets. IIRC, the threshold for being considered for hire as a commercial pilot is 1500 hours flight time. What is United going to do? Open its own flight school and offer scholarships to its diversity admissions?
I wonder what the membership of ALPA thinks about this. Privately, I mean. Am sure the public comments of the union’s leadership will be appropriately woke.
And that’s why I plan for never flying again. To be fair, the TSA thuggery after 9/11 played a role in this plan as did the past year’s Rona Panic insanity, including tyrannically enforced mask mandates.
I’m beginning to think that the “reset” planned by our current, neo-feudal, globalist elite will include a permanent lock down on travel for the masses.
” easier to fly a fully manual plane like the Cessna 172″. For the first hour, VMC.
My personal impression is that German Lufthansa has fielded all-female crews (two female pilots, and female flight attendants) on connecting flights in Europe during last years. They were piloting these hugely uncomfortable CanadaAir jets.
But I must also say that landings weren’t always smooth (but maybe this was because of a plane).
Maybe after its subsidiary Germanwings catastrophe Lufthansa thought female pilots are less-suicide prone. Didn’t note any pro-female Lufthansa campaign.
What I've seen is that they are smart enough for what is the basic job, either replacing a small part or deferring, which is just paperwork. However, when compared to white guys who often have a real interest in how things work, and the laziness factor is taken into account, there is a lot more of a "defer, defer, defer" attitude than a work ethic and zeal for keeping the operation running.
This doesn't lead directly to any crash, mind you, just more delays at the hub airports. What happens in the hangars at night is another story. All the little inspection details that get missed cause maintenance delays on the line, but could also cause something in flight that, well, could be handled well if you have at least 1 calm competent pilot up front.Replies: @Old Prude
“All the little inspection details that get missed cause maintenance delays on the line,”.
My experiences flying commercial the last fifteen years has been that there are a hell of a lot more maintenance delays than when I was a frequent flyer in my youth. Lets not even discuss the delays and time wasted at security theater. “I’m sorry sir. You cannot take that left-over chili aboard.”
Beaver burrow?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colgan_Air_Flight_3407Replies: @William Badwhite, @AnotherDad
The Captain was mostly at fault. He was an utter incompetent. IIRC correctly he’d made some money doing something else and shifted to flying as a 2nd career. He had little aptitude for it.
The co-pilot was nothing great either, but was exhausted. An alert and competent co-pilot could certainly have helped.
Regional airlines pay their pilots very little resulting in many of them commuting to work – if one is assigned to New York for example but you make $20k many choose to live someplace cheaper, grab a jump seat to work, fly their trips, then fly back home rather than live in a hovel in Queens.
They also fly long days with lots of “legs”. Lots of legs means lots of takeoffs and landings (the most stressful part of a leg) and no time to grab some sleep en route (technically not permitted on domestic flights but it happens anyway). If you’re flying NY-LA and have six hours to burn, its not unusual for an exhausted pilot to tell the other “I’m going to close my eyes for an hour or so”. If you’re flying Philly to Syracuse you’re into the approach sequence not long after departure.
Regional flying is a job best filled by young (better able to withstand being tired) and hungry (love flying so on average probably better at it than dabblers like the Colgan hack) pilots.
Generally speaking, if one is scared of flying, you have more reason to be on some of these commuter airlines – particularly in poor weather, and really so late in the night. If you’re flying into Buffalo at 10pm on a regional, there’s a good chance your pilot hasn’t slept in 16 hours or more.
a) FAR Part 117 rest time rules were passed after the Buffalo crash (DUE to it, in fact) by a few years and took effect around '13 or so. They are quite a bit stricter regarding time on the ground for sleep and even AT the hotels. The same rules are in place for the regionals as the major airlines.
No doubt the regional pilots fly more legs in a day, sometimes still 6 occasionally, but the Part 117 rules limit the "duty time" to 12.5 hours or so (depending on number of legs, start time of day, and time zone vs. pilot's base time zone) without an extension that must be agreed to by the pilots involved.
Flying more legs is not a bad thing at all. It makes the pilots more "current", often doing 9 or 10 landings even in a 4 or 5 day trip (half of them) vs. a guy flying the 777 who may have to go to the simulator to get landings in just to meat the VERY MINIMUM* (think 3 or 4 pilots in the plane for a 12 or more hour trip, and only one landing each way ...) Some people just can't sit on their asses for that long.
b) Another of multiple rule changes after the Colgan Air crash was the change in the method of getting an ATP (Airline Transport Pilot) certificate and that's it's required now to fly right seat in the Part 121 (airline and big cargo) operations. It's much harder to get, requiring simulator time, not just an extra-precise multi-engine instrument check ride, than it used to be.
Between that rule and lots of retirements, a surplus of pilots in '12 turned into a servers shortage by '14. (The airlines "never saw that coming!") By '14 planes were going to the desert to be parked due to lack of crew.
Therefore, to get people, and to retain people going to big airlines, the regional airline pay went up very significantly. First Officers can start out at $50/hr (~ $50,000/yr), which beats the heck out of that $25,000 offered only a few years before the changes.
Regarding the commuting, it doesn't have much at all to do with the pay. Airline pilots want to be able to live where they want to live, which is a big privilege. New York City is a special case. Unless one lives there already, he will want to commute, of course. It is particularly hard out of there due to the weather and airspace causing days in which many flight are cancelled and pilots may not get home. Even crash pad space is high, and the place is simply a crowded shithole.
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* It's the same in effect even for Private Pilots - 3 landings and T/O's within the last 90 days in order to carry passengers. That is extremely lenient.
A lot of commercial flying is, as you suggest, about following procedures and going through checklists and paying attention in boring, monotonous circumstances. Women are often good at that sort of thing. Lower IQ folks, maybe not so much.Replies: @Jim Don Bob
following procedures and going through checklists and paying attention in boring, monotonous circumstances is racist. Just like everything else that makes the modern world work.
The co-pilot was nothing great either, but was exhausted. An alert and competent co-pilot could certainly have helped.
Regional airlines pay their pilots very little resulting in many of them commuting to work - if one is assigned to New York for example but you make $20k many choose to live someplace cheaper, grab a jump seat to work, fly their trips, then fly back home rather than live in a hovel in Queens.
They also fly long days with lots of "legs". Lots of legs means lots of takeoffs and landings (the most stressful part of a leg) and no time to grab some sleep en route (technically not permitted on domestic flights but it happens anyway). If you're flying NY-LA and have six hours to burn, its not unusual for an exhausted pilot to tell the other "I'm going to close my eyes for an hour or so". If you're flying Philly to Syracuse you're into the approach sequence not long after departure.
Regional flying is a job best filled by young (better able to withstand being tired) and hungry (love flying so on average probably better at it than dabblers like the Colgan hack) pilots.
Generally speaking, if one is scared of flying, you have more reason to be on some of these commuter airlines - particularly in poor weather, and really so late in the night. If you're flying into Buffalo at 10pm on a regional, there's a good chance your pilot hasn't slept in 16 hours or more.Replies: @El Dato, @Achmed E. Newman
I thought international regulations put a very NO NO on this kind of modus operandi under penalty of the airline losing its operator license. Mandatory off-time (and commuting from/to the hotel is not included in offitime for example) etc., minimum off-time between legs, extra offtime for night flights and circadian rythm changes etc. Has something changed? Is it wartime yet?
Dunno, I’m not a real pilot, but what I remember from that incident is that at cruising altitude, the stall speed is not much below the normal cruising speed, and if (as was the case in that crash) the speedometer (“pitot tubes”) breaks down, you’re in a very dangerous situation.
This is simple stuff, but at some point with the big automated equipment, some pilots just get so far away from the basics. So, they were in the soup, or, when not, it was night over the ocean, and they see airspeed shooting toward the red line, and a high vertical speed. Yet power hasn't changed. It's impossible for this to be happening, but the automatic unthinking reaction is to pull power way back. The speed was still showing an upward trend until they stopped climbing. They stopped climbing because they were in a freaking stall, or at least a mush. They got just plain confused, till that extra Captain came in and understood what was going on, but it was tragically too late.
The answer was to go to the standby gauges. However, the real answer is to not be as complacent and keep one's awareness of the basics.
PS: I've flown a twin on a 2 hour trip without an airspeed indication, as the pitot tube* iced up as soon after I got into the clouds, maybe 1,500 ft up. I flew in the clouds with no airspeed all the way to the destination because a) I hate turning around, but along with this, 2) I knew the plane very well - all the numbers that work. The engines have this manifold pressure, at this altitude I get this speed, etc. I would have landed fine without it, but the airspeed came alive soon after coming out of the clouds at 1,000 ft agl on the other end. I turned around an went back for 2 hours - same story.
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* It has two heating elements, and, though I checked it was warm during my pre-flight, it must have been only one element which was not enough.Replies: @HammerJack
In any event, since no one has posted a clip of the automatic pilot from Airplane!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMhYl74vw2cReplies: @Stan Adams, @James J O'Meara
Old: “Wow, “Idiocracy” turned out to be a documentary!”
New: “Wow, “Airplane!” turned out to be a documentary!”
Then he realized who it was.
Jim Tilman (RIP).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tvs2akRAqkReplies: @Angharad, @William Badwhite, @YetAnotherAnon
Searched for the name and found his obit in the Sun-Times, lower down was a link to this
https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2021/4/7/22371489/boy-shot-lake-shore-drive-grant-park-21-month-old-lurie-hospital
(and took a look at the homicide stats for Steve’s old area. 17 Austin homicides this year, all black victims.)
“PS need new word for cockpit.”
It’s a small room in the front of the plane, but that’s not important right now.
“One of the two pilots of the plane carrying the late Senator Paul Wellstone was a POC.”
My, what a coinky-dink.
Granted, these commercial jets do mostly "fly themselves" these days but if something does go wrong you want someone who knows what they're doing like Captain Sully. And the good news is, we waste a ton of taxpayer money on global air supremacy and lots of young men want to be cool fighter pilots and we know how to identify and train them. We have tons of people overqualified to fly commercial airliners.
Affirmative action for piloting planes is really not what you want. How many planes did John McCain crash due to nepotism-affirmative action? Five?
And I'm old enough to remember when people thought affirmative action for something like piloting planes with hundreds of lives at at stake was considered some kind of reductio ad absurdum (like, three years ago?).
I'm not mocking women of color* when I say it's no shame to not be an elite pilot--I highly doubt I could be one. But we have lots of men in the Air Force/Navy/Marines/Army who are really, really good pilots who want to transition into cushy jobs at United. It's absolutely nutty to suggest we have a shortage of pilots and the planes are rotting on the runways.
*I am mocking John McCain, though. Fuck that guy.Replies: @Sgt. Joe Friday
A close friend of mine from college was in AFROTC, and dreamt of becoming a fighter pilot. He never made it. Maybe the issue was he was 6’2″ tall, and I’ve heard that the military prefers shorter guys, for reasons having to do with G forces and fewer problems with the shorter guys blacking out. Don’t know if this is the case or not, but in any event he ended up flying other aircraft, which I imagine helped him get hired by Delta Airlines. I’ve heard that the airlines in general prefer guys who’ve been flying large, multi engine aircraft rather than fighter pilots who might have some bad habits to unlearn.
My question is when not if the Biden Admin pushes corporate quotas for races. I.E. every corporation must have a minimum of blacks, trannies, etc. and no more than the max allowed White men?
All corporations of any size beyond small don’t care about profits. They will be bailed out regardless. The Fed is printing free money, investors due to financial repression (ultra low interest rates) have to buy stocks, endless “infrastructure” bailouts to make them whole, and there are endless new consumers coming over the border with free Fed money.
So there is no need for boring old profits. Who cares? No one. Lawsuits don’t matter either. If planes crash due to pilot error and the pilots are black, well then the suits will be dismissed.
I assume there is a plan for all the fired White guys. It will likely involve box cars. And be cheered on by White women lets have no illusions.
Roger, Roger.
“But I think Sullenberger was probably atypical of even white pilots.”
IIRC, at the time there was talk of Sully flying gliders as a hobby, which would come in handy if you found yourself flying a commercial airliner without engines … aka a brick with wings.
Gliders sound like they’d be useless, but actually they apparently are pretty effective in military situations. The NS Germans explored using them as they ran out of stuff towards the end, and I believe that raid that rescued Mussolini involved gliders.
As for a White man at the controls, well the last thing I want to hear is
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Rich: Hey do you think if I land this successfully, Alaska will give me a job as a pilot?
Air traffic control: You know, I think they would give you a job doing anything if you could pull this off.
Rich: Yeah right! Nah, I’m a White guy.
I'll just go nose down and call it a night."
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"Skyking, Skyking, do not answer"
Like it says in The Book, the Lord works in mysterious ways.
I understand. But recall that a few years ago the charter pilot who deliberately crashed his aircraft into the Alps was a full blooded German. He was supposedly “depressed.”
There are other cases of seeming deliberate crashes (or the Malaysian Air disappearance) where the pilots were later thought to be depressed over something. Mainly in third world airlines. You do not want to hear “Alleu Akbar” over the pilot’s intercom.
So perhaps state of mental health is more important than race.
I'm guessing privacy. Even highly paid drivers and body guards will blab to the press.
I know a young Asian guy--HS friend of AnotherChildren, a fine young man--working away building his career. Has done the Alaska stuff and just got his 747 ticket a few months back. His plan--in progress--has been working the cargo side to get up to international faster. But heck, if you slap a 50% anti-white quota on the majors ... he could zip in there no problem.
As minoritarianism boils down to its explicit whack-the-white-gentiles root and gets pushed anywhere and everywhere, it is a gift for Asian guys on the technical side. White guys' technical ability and hard work built America. And there simply aren't enough NAMs and women interested/competent to fill these huge anti-white quotas. So as long as these quotas remain simply anti-white and do not progress to parceling out specific--14% black, 18% Latino, 50% women, 2% queers ...--numbers, Asian guys are in high cotton.Replies: @Pat Kittle
Unlike affirmative action hires, (East) “Asian guys” are likely to be smart, disciplined, and confidence inspiring.
Still…
“This Jumbo Jet CRASHED just after Takeoff, WHY?!
Korean Air Cargo flight 8509”:
— (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZElWMMMn7c)
(Mentour Pilot, 2-12-2021)
Blame Whitey!
No doubt United’s staff will be graduates of The David A. Burke School for POC Pilots.
More excuses to import Brahmins and Igbos.
https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1379844069820563456
https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1379844073037590530
https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1379844076351066112Replies: @Desiderius, @Alfa158, @mikeInThe716
I blame Cliff Booth.
The co-pilot was nothing great either, but was exhausted. An alert and competent co-pilot could certainly have helped.
Regional airlines pay their pilots very little resulting in many of them commuting to work - if one is assigned to New York for example but you make $20k many choose to live someplace cheaper, grab a jump seat to work, fly their trips, then fly back home rather than live in a hovel in Queens.
They also fly long days with lots of "legs". Lots of legs means lots of takeoffs and landings (the most stressful part of a leg) and no time to grab some sleep en route (technically not permitted on domestic flights but it happens anyway). If you're flying NY-LA and have six hours to burn, its not unusual for an exhausted pilot to tell the other "I'm going to close my eyes for an hour or so". If you're flying Philly to Syracuse you're into the approach sequence not long after departure.
Regional flying is a job best filled by young (better able to withstand being tired) and hungry (love flying so on average probably better at it than dabblers like the Colgan hack) pilots.
Generally speaking, if one is scared of flying, you have more reason to be on some of these commuter airlines - particularly in poor weather, and really so late in the night. If you're flying into Buffalo at 10pm on a regional, there's a good chance your pilot hasn't slept in 16 hours or more.Replies: @El Dato, @Achmed E. Newman
Mr. Badwhite, I know you were involved in this business some years back, but however long it was, that’s how out of date some of your information is.
a) FAR Part 117 rest time rules were passed after the Buffalo crash (DUE to it, in fact) by a few years and took effect around ’13 or so. They are quite a bit stricter regarding time on the ground for sleep and even AT the hotels. The same rules are in place for the regionals as the major airlines.
No doubt the regional pilots fly more legs in a day, sometimes still 6 occasionally, but the Part 117 rules limit the “duty time” to 12.5 hours or so (depending on number of legs, start time of day, and time zone vs. pilot’s base time zone) without an extension that must be agreed to by the pilots involved.
Flying more legs is not a bad thing at all. It makes the pilots more “current”, often doing 9 or 10 landings even in a 4 or 5 day trip (half of them) vs. a guy flying the 777 who may have to go to the simulator to get landings in just to meat the VERY MINIMUM* (think 3 or 4 pilots in the plane for a 12 or more hour trip, and only one landing each way …) Some people just can’t sit on their asses for that long.
b) Another of multiple rule changes after the Colgan Air crash was the change in the method of getting an ATP (Airline Transport Pilot) certificate and that’s it’s required now to fly right seat in the Part 121 (airline and big cargo) operations. It’s much harder to get, requiring simulator time, not just an extra-precise multi-engine instrument check ride, than it used to be.
Between that rule and lots of retirements, a surplus of pilots in ’12 turned into a servers shortage by ’14. (The airlines “never saw that coming!”) By ’14 planes were going to the desert to be parked due to lack of crew.
Therefore, to get people, and to retain people going to big airlines, the regional airline pay went up very significantly. First Officers can start out at $50/hr (~ $50,000/yr), which beats the heck out of that $25,000 offered only a few years before the changes.
Regarding the commuting, it doesn’t have much at all to do with the pay. Airline pilots want to be able to live where they want to live, which is a big privilege. New York City is a special case. Unless one lives there already, he will want to commute, of course. It is particularly hard out of there due to the weather and airspace causing days in which many flight are cancelled and pilots may not get home. Even crash pad space is high, and the place is simply a crowded shithole.
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* It’s the same in effect even for Private Pilots – 3 landings and T/O’s within the last 90 days in order to carry passengers. That is extremely lenient.
That wasn’t the problem though, IJ. Their pitot systems were clogged due to icing or mechanical problems with them. The Private Pilot books (or at least the Instrument Rating ones) teach that when the pitot probe(s) is clogged, your airspeed acts as an altimeter. (Think pitot pressure pushing it higher, acting against static pressure. If the pitot pressure is held constant due to a clog, then the airspeed goes up with altitude.) Oh, the vertical speed readout does the same.
This is simple stuff, but at some point with the big automated equipment, some pilots just get so far away from the basics. So, they were in the soup, or, when not, it was night over the ocean, and they see airspeed shooting toward the red line, and a high vertical speed. Yet power hasn’t changed. It’s impossible for this to be happening, but the automatic unthinking reaction is to pull power way back. The speed was still showing an upward trend until they stopped climbing. They stopped climbing because they were in a freaking stall, or at least a mush. They got just plain confused, till that extra Captain came in and understood what was going on, but it was tragically too late.
The answer was to go to the standby gauges. However, the real answer is to not be as complacent and keep one’s awareness of the basics.
PS: I’ve flown a twin on a 2 hour trip without an airspeed indication, as the pitot tube* iced up as soon after I got into the clouds, maybe 1,500 ft up. I flew in the clouds with no airspeed all the way to the destination because a) I hate turning around, but along with this, 2) I knew the plane very well – all the numbers that work. The engines have this manifold pressure, at this altitude I get this speed, etc. I would have landed fine without it, but the airspeed came alive soon after coming out of the clouds at 1,000 ft agl on the other end. I turned around an went back for 2 hours – same story.
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* It has two heating elements, and, though I checked it was warm during my pre-flight, it must have been only one element which was not enough.
When United says it’s going to hire more black pilots, they’re aren’t being straight with us. They don’t want native US blacks.
They want pilots from Africa, like Igbos. There’s more black talent in Africa than in the US, and United wants to be able to pay those African pilots a trivial wage to undercut, weaken, and destroy the U.S. pilots’ union.
Somehow I suspect that private jet pilots will still be carefully selected based upon merit...Replies: @Pop Warner, @Truth, @anonymous, @Anonymous, @Nico, @Expletive Deleted, @Dieter Kief
Mr. Unz, given the choice between a totally random non-Hispanic white pilot and a totally random Hispanic pilot for your next flight, would you bet your ride on there being no significant statistical difference between the two? Just wondering.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD3liu46BsM
Somehow I suspect that private jet pilots will still be carefully selected based upon merit...Replies: @Pop Warner, @Truth, @anonymous, @Anonymous, @Nico, @Expletive Deleted, @Dieter Kief
The Lockdown was a chance to peek in on this floating world of theirs. I have been pulling up Flightradar24 and the like for months now, particularly when the Authorities forbade pleb-travel from South Africa and so on, around Christmas.
Sure enough, there they were, but not camouflaged by tons of commercial traffic. Just the parcel transports, DHL and the rest, and any amount of (mostly) Gulfstreams making obscure and complicated traverses of the Atlantic, or the Med., from Africa, India and China.
My fave was some probably soccer owner hopping across from St Vincent (nearest international to Epstein/Branson Islands) to a regional airport in Bavaria.
Still have the screenies, if required by nosey-parkers.
Its gotten much better but the airlines don’t really pay attention to your commute to/from work. Your duty day starts when you sign in.
IIRC, at the time there was talk of Sully flying gliders as a hobby, which would come in handy if you found yourself flying a commercial airliner without engines ... aka a brick with wings.
Gliders sound like they'd be useless, but actually they apparently are pretty effective in military situations. The NS Germans explored using them as they ran out of stuff towards the end, and I believe that raid that rescued Mussolini involved gliders.Replies: @Expletive Deleted
Some streets in this town are named after (foully dangerous) WWII gliders, or the operations they were lobbed at.
As for a White man at the controls, well the last thing I want to hear is
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Rich: Hey do you think if I land this successfully, Alaska will give me a job as a pilot?
Air traffic control: You know, I think they would give you a job doing anything if you could pull this off.
Rich: Yeah right! Nah, I’m a White guy.
I’ll just go nose down and call it a night.”
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“Skyking, Skyking, do not answer”
There is a height limit, but 6’2″ is well within it. Not sure about now, but during the time period with which I’m familiar the Air Force let pilots coming out of flight school choose their next assignment in class rank order. What changes is the needs of the service: one class graduates and there may be 8 fighter track slots (back then your next assignment was “Fighter Lead-In”, taught in the T-38). A class or two later there may be only 3 fighter track slots. So not trying to be disrespectful to your friend, but he didn’t end up in fighters out of flight school because he didn’t do well enough. Or maybe there weren’t any fighter slots at the time, I can’t say.
However the Air Force allows a lot more flexibility between types of equipment than does the Navy. IOW, a guy who didn’t do that well in flight school might end up in B-52’s or transports, but can end up back in fighters if he does well enough in those. In the Navy once you’re a rotary wing guy or a propeller fixed wing guy, its more difficult to move around.
I knew of a guy that did so badly in flight school he ended up in the O-2 (had two center line propellers, one fore and one aft so was dubbed the BlowMe-SuckMe) and improved enough over his career to eventually fly F15’s.
Not the case. The pilot hiring decisions at airlines are made by pilots, and pilots know that fighter guys flew fighters because they were good at flying. Past a certain number of hours, transport and bomber flying is viewed more as “the same hour, over and over” than a lot of hours. IOW, 15oo hours in fighters is plenty whereas a bomber or transport guy may show up with 4,000+. Both are fine.
The stereotype of the fighter pilot as the undisciplined renegade like in Top Gun hasn’t been true since at least the end of Vietnam. If you put a fighter pilot in a 737 he’s not going to just reflexively roll in 60 degrees of bank climbing through 200′ out of O’Hare, then when the Captain complains say “oh sorry, an old habit”.
It wouldn’t be the first one.
I was very, very impressed with the flight attendants on all the airlines except United - it was a throw back in time. The Flight attendants were young, very attractive and took great pride in their work. The Airline companies definitely wanted these beautiful young women to represent their airlines and their countries.
In contrast the United Airlines flight attendant was older, over weight and unfriendly.Replies: @Veteran Aryan, @Jim Don Bob
I’d say that does represent the country pretty well.
https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1379844069820563456
https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1379844073037590530
https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1379844076351066112Replies: @Desiderius, @Alfa158, @mikeInThe716
That’s a long, steep hill. If you aren’t paying attention to your driving and actively braking or downshifting you’ll be doing 80 before you know it.
“The pilot hiring decisions at airlines are made by pilots”. Kind of. I recall the fellow who shared a cab with me at the Delta hiring interview cursing about the shrink who was screening us, because the shrink didn’t believe him when he said he had never made a mistake in the cockpit. Who hasn’t? Probably a fighter jock, thought I. Then I thought “One less guy I have to worry about getting this job.”
I got the job. Now let me unload: From my time in the majors: The Air Farce guys were immature. The Jarheads were strange. I am prejudice against the Navy, but I couldn’t help but like them. The one civilian in my new-hire class was a real mensch. Only half the women I’ve flown with were worth anything. I only knew two black pilots. One was a dud. One other gave up flying. It was all White guys, from end to end, and all good with the stick. Russians, Germans, hell even Israelis… As for Arabs, Indians, Africans: How many aces with brown skin?
I can’t speak about Asian pilots. I never met one, but I hear Sum Ting Wong, Wi To Lo, Ho Li Fuk and Bang Ding Ow are not in the same class as Charles Lindberg and Eric Hartmann……
“Children Should No Longer Dream of Aviation.”
"Last week, Leonore Moncond’huy, the newly elected Green Party mayor of Poitiers, France (population 90,000) cut funding for a local charity which provides children with disabilities the opportunity to take sightseeing flights at the local aerodrome. The mayor explained that this was part of her commitment to remove subsidies for hobbies that rely on non-renewable resources. The city has also defunded local flying clubs.
During a town hall meeting, the mayor stated that the government needs to protect children from certain aspirations. Specifically, she explained that “aviation should no longer be part of today’s children’s dreams.”
https://thenationalpulse.com/analysis/green-mayor-children-should-no-longer-dream-of-aviation/Replies: @Joe Stalin
Chicago’s Meigs Field used to provide the runway in which pilots provided area youngsters with the General Aviation experience.
Then Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley decided to “X”-out the air strip because his wife objected.
This is another example of how AnotherDad’s “Schoolmarms” are an actual menace to preserving modernity.
Some random Hispanic pilots.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colgan_Air_Flight_3407Replies: @William Badwhite, @AnotherDad
Southwest had an fan blade failure on a CFM engine (the GE-Safran joint venture) a few years ago that blew cowl fragments into the fuselage and resulted in a explosive decompression, and the death of a guy sitting next to the window that was broken.
The female captain–Air Force fighter veteran–landed the plane successfully.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwest_Airlines_Flight_1380
I believe that is currently the last US passenger airline (caused) fatality, though not a crash.
Include commercial cargo airlines, i believe it’s the Atlas Air flight for Amazon (Prime Air), where the Caribbean black guy flew the plane in a nose dive into a swamp at the north end of Trinity Bay (Trinity River entrance to Galveston Bay).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_Air_Flight_3591#Accident
(Of course, i have an aversion to GHW Bush as well, but that’s taking it too far.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-K06uGXo_cReplies: @Polistra, @Dave Pinsen, @Jim Christian, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Reg Cæsar, @AnotherDad
My guess–Azul.
But this video demos the problem. The best service Caroline and Larissa could offer Brazil would be being at home bearing and nursing and nurturing smart, healthy, white babies.
It irks me when I get on a plane and pilots are introduced by their first names. I don’t want “Jim” and “Bob” to be friendly. I want Captain Jones and Captain Smith to be competent!
https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1379844069820563456
https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1379844073037590530
https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1379844076351066112Replies: @Desiderius, @Alfa158, @mikeInThe716
Given his suspect driving record and epic wealth, WHY does Tiger drive?!?
I’m guessing privacy. Even highly paid drivers and body guards will blab to the press.
It tracks with the theory that many if not most of the companies desperately eager to go woke are the ones that are already in a death spiral and about to go broke, it just might not be obvious to the general public yet. Generally they are positioning themselves for some kind of handouts, for which these antics are often a sort of audition. United will be demanding bailout money soon - count on it. A thorough audit would probably uncover a cash flow already highly dependent on government aid and mysterious NGOs.
The transformation of a functioning company into social justice dead weight is obviously bad for employees and customers, but it's pretty lucrative for the executives, at least for the 5-10 years of downward coasting, which is as far into the future as they care to worry about.Replies: @Moses
United sucks badly. A few years ago a mechanical problem delayed our SFO—>HKG flight. We arrived HKG around 11pm local time, missed our connection.
Cabin crew on flight from SFO didn’t tell us anything, and didn’t care. They also forgot to bring the baby stroller from cargo bay to the jetway.
United rep in HKG said sorry nothing can do you’ll have to spend the night in the airport. This with a 1 year old baby and pregnant wife.
I raised hell. Finally they arranged a room and helped us thru HK immigration for the night.
I could tell United mgmt didn’t give a damn about their employees or customers. Employees all hated working there.
We fly only Asian carriers now.
Employment discrimination based on race or gender is still illegal isn’t it?
This is actually pretty funny, they’re gonna take the “woke” black chick’s that killed the movie theater industry with their cell phone conversations and let them fly jumbo jets, riiight.
They’re gonna recruit from the lowest intelligence demographic (black women) into a technical math intensive career?
BTW I’m pretty sure the definition of “woke” is a person whose demoralization is so profound they’ve become an unpaid propagandist of their own destruction.
Should be "fazed"Replies: @Liza, @Ralph L
They’ll be phased from solid and liquid to gas.
Landings on the other hand may not go as planned.Replies: @JimDandy
Yeah. Clown World. I already wrote this comment on another article, but come on, man!
So, in recent days we had a Muslim in Colorado waste 10 infidels, a black-Muslim kill a Capitol cop, a couple Texas Muslims kill some of their own as well as themselves, and now a black Navy medic named Fantahun Girma Woldesenbet has shot two sailers before the cops ended him.
“White nationalism” wears many masks, I guess.
Woman reader here and I’ve flown probably 500+ hours minimum as a commercial passenger on domestic and international flights. US and international airlines.
ANY airlines that is going to lower cockpit standards is asking for more mass death and would quite possibly, and deservedly!, be subject to a class action lawsuit.
In point of fact, there are already those in the industry, who are concerned about the current situation with pilots and their skills in an emergency, and what can be done to upgrade let alone preserve their current level. More concerning still was the announcement by one of the “Woke” airlines, Delta or United, that they would not continue to train newly hired pilots into their fleets. So what’s that all about?
Some good channels on YouTube to learn more about commercial airlines accidents and disasters, are The Flight Channel, Allec Joshua Ibay among others.
https://www.youtube.com/user/blancolirio/videos
With the exception of his recent videos on the Evergreen - Suez Canal incident (where he discussed the differences in piloting an airplane and piloting an Ultra Large Container Vessel), he routinely discusses aviation safety, pilot training, and the analysis of commercial, civil, and military aviation disasters, in a very calm and thoroughly documented manner.
Bingo! That’s exactly right.
Or David Burke. Remember him?
He’s the one who “piloted” Pacific Southwest Airlines Flight 1771 into a vicious nosedive that disintegrated on impact. Of course, that’s what he wanted to do (see comment 150).
But, given the radicalization of so many pocs, especially blacks, how many would like to do just that, except with a parachute, for them. All in the name of Equity, of course.
The way things are going, wouldn’t surprise me one bit that they eventually get around to making him some kind of martyr for the cause and a model to be imitated.
Minutes ago, United Airlines send us an email reaffirming its “values”. Going forward, they will only hire women and BIPOC pilots. We noticed its president is “black … so these “values” are not unexpected.
But United asking white males to DIE demanded a response. Going forward, we consider United Airlines UNSAFE. We just cancelled our United Credit Card. Although United had been our airline of choice, my wife and I will never fly United again.
I had the same response to Guillette’s anti-male advertisement in 2019. I had used Guillette’s products for 54 years. I haven’t used Guillette products since. I understand that add cost Guillette $4 billion in lost revenue.
May we hope for the same for United Airlines.
I was very, very impressed with the flight attendants on all the airlines except United - it was a throw back in time. The Flight attendants were young, very attractive and took great pride in their work. The Airline companies definitely wanted these beautiful young women to represent their airlines and their countries.
In contrast the United Airlines flight attendant was older, over weight and unfriendly.Replies: @Veteran Aryan, @Jim Don Bob
And gay. You forgot gay. I am sure trannies are next.
Agree with one caveat: No affirmative action.
If you are good enough to be a safe and competent pilot then my hat is off to you.
Affirmative action calls into question the skill level of minorities and women because we do not know if they achieved their position through merit or favoritism.
I feel sorry for the truly excellent minority and women professionals who earned their position the merit based way. Their skill level is questioned because of AA.
ANY airlines that is going to lower cockpit standards is asking for more mass death and would quite possibly, and deservedly!, be subject to a class action lawsuit.
In point of fact, there are already those in the industry, who are concerned about the current situation with pilots and their skills in an emergency, and what can be done to upgrade let alone preserve their current level. More concerning still was the announcement by one of the “Woke” airlines, Delta or United, that they would not continue to train newly hired pilots into their fleets. So what’s that all about?
Some good channels on YouTube to learn more about commercial airlines accidents and disasters, are The Flight Channel, Allec Joshua Ibay among others.Replies: @CCZ
I would also suggest commercial aviation pilot (Boeing 777) Juan Browne’s channel:
https://www.youtube.com/user/blancolirio/videos
With the exception of his recent videos on the Evergreen – Suez Canal incident (where he discussed the differences in piloting an airplane and piloting an Ultra Large Container Vessel), he routinely discusses aviation safety, pilot training, and the analysis of commercial, civil, and military aviation disasters, in a very calm and thoroughly documented manner.
Somehow I suspect that private jet pilots will still be carefully selected based upon merit...Replies: @Pop Warner, @Truth, @anonymous, @Anonymous, @Nico, @Expletive Deleted, @Dieter Kief
Why shouldn’t the super-rich not be virtue-signalers in this case too?
Isn’t it easy to find a few black pilots that are very competent?
You would not need more than some of those, in the case of the super-rich. So – as I said: This could be quite easily done.
This is simple stuff, but at some point with the big automated equipment, some pilots just get so far away from the basics. So, they were in the soup, or, when not, it was night over the ocean, and they see airspeed shooting toward the red line, and a high vertical speed. Yet power hasn't changed. It's impossible for this to be happening, but the automatic unthinking reaction is to pull power way back. The speed was still showing an upward trend until they stopped climbing. They stopped climbing because they were in a freaking stall, or at least a mush. They got just plain confused, till that extra Captain came in and understood what was going on, but it was tragically too late.
The answer was to go to the standby gauges. However, the real answer is to not be as complacent and keep one's awareness of the basics.
PS: I've flown a twin on a 2 hour trip without an airspeed indication, as the pitot tube* iced up as soon after I got into the clouds, maybe 1,500 ft up. I flew in the clouds with no airspeed all the way to the destination because a) I hate turning around, but along with this, 2) I knew the plane very well - all the numbers that work. The engines have this manifold pressure, at this altitude I get this speed, etc. I would have landed fine without it, but the airspeed came alive soon after coming out of the clouds at 1,000 ft agl on the other end. I turned around an went back for 2 hours - same story.
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* It has two heating elements, and, though I checked it was warm during my pre-flight, it must have been only one element which was not enough.Replies: @HammerJack
After landing, right?