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But what if George Floyd doesn’t rise from the dead on the third day?

 
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  1. Anonymous[866] • Disclaimer says:

    Well, at least we still have a new kind of ‘black friday’.

    • Replies: @Pat Boyle
    @Anonymous

    I'm pretty smart, not as smart as Steve of course but I have my moments. In the last few days I have been changing my opinion of the George Floyd affair. I have noticed that I often come to my opinions earlier than the general public. I can't really predict the future but I seem to get to what becomes the accepted truth just a little faster than the public as a whole. I think my opinion about George Floyd will come to be the commonly held position. 180 degrees from the current public opinion.

    When I first saw the videos of him being murdered by the white cops I was like everyone else - outraged. But after a more sober consideration I began to alter my views. Floyd was of course a criminal or at least a criminal suspect. We have never heard just why he was being arrested but we do know he was full of opiates. In the canonization of this street criminal it is not considered fitting to mention his failings. The way these things are presented to the public the black victim's transgressions are never mentioned. So Freddie Gray in the black riot in Baltimore was a known habitual dope peddler. He poisoned the people and children of his neighborhood and the police tried to stop him. He had been killed inadvertently by a mixture of black and white cops but he was treated as a the visitation of some sort of holy man. A Christ like figure.

    George Floyd seems to be being treated in much the same way. I have lost sympathy for Floyd and I think many white people will soon do so to. The situation with blacks is different. They are earger to sanctify his every action.

    The central problem is that blacks are a criminal race and that's not going to change. It won't change because it is a genetic characteristic not something that has come about through some environmental happening like slavery or historical racial prejudice. When people begin to realize that truth they will realize that our culture is ill equiped to deal with the outrageously high levels of black crime.

    Al Sharpton can rant and rabble rouse as much as he wishes but the science is clear - criminals have lower IQ's. East Asians have the highest IQ's of the continental races and the lowest violent crime rates both in Asia and in America. Blacks are criminals everywhere. That is not a coincidence. We have known the almost perfect correspondence between the racial incidence of the MAOA 2 repeat gene and the violent crime rate. This startling fact has been suppressed but will come to light because it is objective fact. The story of the genetics of blacks will emerge sooner or later. It has been lied about and ignored but in a world of mass communications it cannot be hidden forever. The truth will leak out. Good people of good will fear this because they fear the political consequences. They fear that bad white guys (Trump supporters) will launch some kind of "Back To Africa" movement or genocide program if the public ever finds out the truth. Until we are brave enough to accept the reality that blacks are violent because of their genetics and not their history of being oppressed then we will continue to have these riots like clockwork. I don't know what happens when America wakes up to the findings of scientists and geneticists but I know it is coming.

    Replies: @Jack D, @usNthem, @Ahem

  2. The state-funded Irish t.v. news channel cancelled all its normal programming this afternoon in order to show Saint George Floyd’s Texas funeral in full.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    @Peter Johnson

    Was this RTE extravaganza moderated by Ireland's own half-Hindu sodomite Teoasuch?

    If so, it would be entirely appropriate and consistent with modern-day Ireland and its woke populace.

    Replies: @Lurker

    , @Matra
    @Peter Johnson

    How's RTE covering the three filmed beatings (and in one case, brutal stabbing) of Irish teens by black mobs? Just kidding. I mean, Limerick is so far away from Dublin 4 why would RTE care?

    Replies: @Peter Johnson

    , @Forbes
    @Peter Johnson

    Oh my, the tee-vee programming avoided missed out on by cutting the cable cord. Darn...

    , @Alden
    @Peter Johnson

    Columbus was in Galway in 1477 seeking funding for his voyage. A statue commemorates his visit. It’s being pulled down because he was a White man or something evil.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Peter Johnson


    The state-funded Irish t.v. news channel cancelled all its normal programming this afternoon in order to show Saint George Floyd’s Texas funeral in full.

     

    Celtic solidarity. Floyd is a Welsh surname, after all.


    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41swGXyiP8L._AC_SY355_.jpg
    , @Amerimutt Golems
    @Peter Johnson



    The state-funded Irish t.v. news channel cancelled all its normal programming this afternoon in order to show Saint George Floyd’s Texas funeral in full.

     

    Paddies will soon be wearing slave collars like the idiotic Sassenach.
    , @anonymous1963
    @Peter Johnson

    The Irish are as crazy as the British.

    Replies: @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo

    , @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo
    @Peter Johnson

    Dude,OUR tv broadcast that bullshit on every channel today. I wonder how many stations around the world carried it. Well,as Elon Musk says,you know who owns the media.

  3. And what if the cop being held on 1 Million dollar bond broke no law and used only departmentally-approved procedures and was not the cause of St. Floyd’s death? And is found not-guilty?

    • Replies: @Magic Dirt Resident
    @JimDandy

    Then get the popcorn ready. Fwiw I think he will be found innocent.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    , @JimB
    @JimDandy


    And what if the cop being held on 1 Million dollar bond broke no law and used only departmentally-approved procedures and was not the cause of St. Floyd’s death? And is found not-guilty?
     
    To avoid being lynched, he'll need to move to Russia, where people have a rude tendency to notice the truth.

    Replies: @Neuday

    , @Paul Jolliffe
    @JimDandy

    I asked that a couple of days ago and one of the replies mentioned the case is currently scheduled (?) to conclude just before the election.

    If so, and if Chauvin is acquitted, there will be a fired-up Democratic turnout.

    Remember, the one and only concrete step “good whites” can take to demonstrate their “anti-racism” is to vote for Joe Biden.

    The protests/ marches/calls for justice are all political theater to ensure that Trump is not re-elected.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Wilkey

    , @neprof
    @JimDandy

    Hopefully the verdict comes during a cold spell in January.

    , @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo
    @JimDandy

    I hate to say this,as my heart goes out to that poor cop,but maybe the best thing for everyone is if he were to be Epsteined.

    Replies: @J S Raggmann, @Anonymous

    , @Redman
    @JimDandy

    Exactly. I have been discussing that very possibility with a liberal lawyer friend of mine. He admits that based on the evidence we've seen, it seems that (1) the three other officers should be acquitted, and (2) Chauvin should be acquitted of intentional homicide.

    I don't know if MN law allows a lesser included charge like manslaughter, which would have been the more obvious charge if this case were brought by the DA in NY. If not, Chauvin could be exonerated completely. Then what happens?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Sgt. Joe Friday
    @JimDandy

    An acquittal would not surprise me either. First of all, the defense is going to request (and probably get) a change of venue on grounds that the defendant can't get a fair trial in the Twin Cities area. Second, I have doubts they can make a charge of 2nd degree murder stick. Involuntary manslaughter might be the best they can get, but even that isn't a slam dunk. The defense is going to bring up at trial that the deceased was uncooperative, combative, and had to be restrained. They're going to point to Floyd's being under the influence of drugs, his underlying medical conditions, and also point out that the the compliance technique the officer used was within department policy.

    I am reminded of the Rodney King case. A friend of mine who was on the LAPD at the time said that King was belligerent and behaving in a manner consistent with PCP intoxication. The cops used their nightsticks only when nothing else was working. And oh, by the way, the two other people in the car with King were cooperative and went home unscathed.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @Anon7
    @JimDandy

    The USA has a much higher rate of police killing civilians than elsewhere in the world. Way higher. Full stop.

    So, let's not talk about race. Let's talk about a People, a Nation of persons, who don't know how to surrender! We hate doing it.

    Once we're adults, we're especially unhappy with the idea that there are super-Adults, namely cops, who can give us a time-out whenever the law requires it. We have Narcissistic Personality Disorder, we think BLM, we think we're being disrespected, you name it..

    We just can't stop resisting arrest! That's why so many people get shot. It's also why the police are almost invariably found innocent. It's because they mostly are innocent, they're just doing their jobs.

    The RATE OF POLICE KILLING CIVILIANS is a stupid statistic. We need the RATE OF RESISTING ARREST across nations. Then, our problem would be obvious.

    The following scenario should be seen a thousand times by all Americans by the time they are twelve:

    COP: Sir, I need to put you in handcuffs, and then I'll put you in the back of this police vehicle.

    CIVILIAN: Um...

    COP: Sir, there are two choices. A) You go quietly. B) I will use sufficient force, up to and including killing you. Right here, right now. And if you live, you will spend guaranteed jail time for resisting arrest. Please comply.

    CIVILIAN: Um...

    COP: Let me put it this way. This is not a confrontation between two men. The entire adult citizenry of the United States stands right behind me. Please comply now.

    CIVILIAN: Well, when you put it that way.

    Replies: @JimDandy

    , @ConservaWhig
    @JimDandy

    I can't imagine Chauvin not being convicted by a judge or jury of something.

    Consciously or unconsciously, they will punish him--regardless of innocence/guilt--in order to counter the narrative that "cops are never punished for bad behavior." And to prevent America's cities from burning yet again.

    Replies: @Ed, @Ed, @Art Deco

    , @Dr. X
    @JimDandy

    He won't be acquitted. They'll get all black prosecutors and an all- black jury. It'll basically be a government/Negro lynching of a white.

    They'll probably sentence him to life plus 419 years like that poor fat white kid in Charlottesville...

    , @Alden
    @JimDandy

    Generally, if the cop uses approved procedures death of an arrestee is unfortunate but they are not charged with a crime. Just paid time off till the investigation is complete.

    Since St Felony, blessed be his name, was full of fentanyl and meth with a very bad heart, the investigation would have ended when internal affairs read the autopsy and coroner’s statement cause of death was heart attack caused by illegal drugs

    But liberals are always on the internet looking for police brutality. They probably have a notification thing for anything to start a riot and destroy a White person.

    Saw another Trump re election AD. Economy was great, new jobs, till the epidemic, now it’s over economy is roaring back jobs jobs jobs moving factories back to America. Great AD He can afford good ADs

    , @Lurker
    @JimDandy

    I wonder if that's why such dismal cases are chosen?

    Stir up the usual suspects, have trial, cop is acquitted because acting within the rules and the deceased is a violent scumbag. Then the usual suspects rampage again. Two bites of the cherry.

    , @Pop Warner
    @JimDandy

    He'll be found guilty regardless of how innocent he is. He's another political prisoner just like Kames Fields, and he can never expect a fair trial

    , @ben tillman
    @JimDandy

    The DA is hiding the bodycam footage that shows Floyd resisting arrest. That alone is grounds for a dismissal with prejudice. That's deliberate jury tampering by the prosecution.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  4. It’s small consolation, but he’ll still be Time magazine’s Person of the Year.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @SafeNow

    That porno he was in should be added to the African American Museum in D.C.

    https://www.senenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/capture_censored-2-696x391.jpg

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Kronos

    , @Justvisiting
    @SafeNow

    If Obozo can get a Nobel Peace Prize for doing nothing, Floyd is certainly entitled to one as well.

    , @Jim Given
    @SafeNow

    Really? George Floyd will beat out The Prophet, Dr. Anthony Fauci, whose unerring judgement brought us through the Plague?

    I'd like to shake his hand-

  5. It’s because the whites are keeping him down.

    • Replies: @ChrisZ
    @lhtness

    Brilliant.

  6. George Floyd is not the Messiah of the religion of the Numinous Negro. Martin Luther King is the Messiah. Floyd is just another angelic martyr saved by race and faith only.

    • Replies: @epebble
    @Jake

    Don't forget St. Rodney King too, the martyr of 1992.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @DextersLabRat
    @Jake

    Exactly. Hitler is the devil. And Holocaust Jews, 60s feminists and the drag queen who threw a rock at police at Stonewall are the apostles.

    Replies: @Oswald Spengler, @Dr. X

  7. How come none of the murder victims — even those with no criminal record unlike George Floyd — on Chicago’s South Side get a funeral send-off quite like that of George? Why the double standard?

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Paul

    I don’t know why anyone still asks this. No one cares about it, for an obvious reason: intra-group violence is less interesting than inter-group violence.

    Replies: @Paul, @Anon, @bigdicknick, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Mr. Anon

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @Paul

    "Chicago's South Side"

    Bad optics. The Sacred Black Body narrative must be protected from reality. The noodle arm white kids will wilt if the truth leaks out.

    , @TontoBubbaGoldstein
    @Paul

    How come Tony Timpa didn't get a send off like George Floyd?

    "White Privilege", I suppose.

    , @anonymous1963
    @Paul

    No political profit and corporate shakedown. Can't put it on evil whitey. Would challenge the narrative that saintly Negroes are being persecuted by evil whites.

  8. How many shootings by the end of George’s funeral and would the media report them?

    • Replies: @Charon
    @Jan

    Can you imagine? Biden might even have a heart attack if that happened. And the MSM would claim that "white supremacists" were the ones behind it.

  9. Since when did any religion require verifiable evidence?

    Only the religious mind can so easily dispense with facts (eg Whites more likely to be killed by police when corrected for crime rates/interactions; HBD etc).

    I’ve never been too keen on the Bible thumpers, but in hindsight they don’t seem so bad at all. I’d rather be told I’m going to hell than have my job threatened because I said something “racist” – which nowadays is anything right of center regarding the Sacred Black Bodies).

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    @Anonymous Jew

    What do you think of the arguments in this article?

    http://www.peterkreeft.com/topics-more/resurrection-evidence.htm

    Replies: @epebble, @jamie b., @Kratoklastes, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    , @neprof
    @Anonymous Jew


    I’d rather be told I’m going to hell than have my job threatened because I said something “racist” – which nowadays is anything right of center regarding the Sacred Black Bodies).
     
    Doesn't take much, UCLA professor fired:

    https://freebeacon.com/latest-news/ucla-professor-under-police-protection-following-threats/

    Replies: @Black-hole creator, @Morris Applebaum IV, @Grahamsno(G64)

    , @Anon
    @Anonymous Jew

    What makes you think that you are not in Hell?

    Are you not being tortured by demons?

    An honest reappraisal needs to take place.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @Anonymous Jew

    I’ve never been too keen on the Bible thumpers, but in hindsight they don’t seem so bad at all.
    I think the original Inquisition was more forgiving than our current one.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Grahamsno(G64)

  10. @JimDandy
    And what if the cop being held on 1 Million dollar bond broke no law and used only departmentally-approved procedures and was not the cause of St. Floyd's death? And is found not-guilty?

    Replies: @Magic Dirt Resident, @JimB, @Paul Jolliffe, @neprof, @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo, @Redman, @Sgt. Joe Friday, @Anon7, @ConservaWhig, @Dr. X, @Alden, @Lurker, @Pop Warner, @ben tillman

    Then get the popcorn ready. Fwiw I think he will be found innocent.

    • LOL: Sean
    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    @Magic Dirt Resident

    I think not guilty. I wouldn't call the "smirk for the obvious camera recording him" officer innocent.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Magic Dirt Resident

    Some are speculating Ellison has escalated the charges knowing that it will be impossible for a jury to convict the officer under the required burden of proof, thus leading to an acquittal and even more rioting and chaos.

    That's kind of 4-D chess territory, but it's so evil I can't completely discount it.

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @DextersLabRat, @Forbes, @Charon, @Fat tub of lard

    , @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Magic Dirt Resident


    Then get the popcorn ready. Fwiw I think he will be found innocent.
     
    I don't know what jury pools in Minneapolis look like, but absent a change of venue he'll probably waive his right to a jury and put his trial fate in the hands of a single judge in the hopes that he gets a good draw. By "good draw," he would need someone with the courage to actually look at the evidence and measure it against the law. Another "good draw" would be a judge prone to making errors, which would create appealable issues.

    A change of venue probably means a much whiter and more conservative jury pool, which would be its own can of worms should they acquit.

    Maybe the best outcome is a conviction which rests upon some irreversible error(s) and which gets overturned by an appellate panel a year or so after the conviction.

    Replies: @Magic Dirt Resident, @Buffalo Joe, @Diversity Heretic

  11. If you want a vision of the future, imagine a black person with a hand out, saying “gibsmedat”- forever.

    • Agree: Just another serf
    • LOL: bomag
  12. Amazing how everyone in particular every single white politician is now supposed to personally hail Saint “Just About To Turn My Life Around” Floyd or be declared oldthinking unperson and be dragged off (and can we get Elton John to compose something like he did for La Diana?), but nobody even remembers Justine “Karen in Pajamas” Damond.

    Floyd, the new Rosa Luxemburg?

    • Replies: @Dr. Krieger
    @El Dato


    Floyd, the new Rosa Luxemburg?
     
    I sure hope so, if it means that we get another You-Know-Who, 14 years later.
  13. Anyone who remembers Rodney King will know that the real ruckus didn’t happen till after the not guilty verdict. People were surprised at the verdict, because all they had seen (over and over and over) was a few seconds of a videotape. The same thing is happening with Floyd – most people just don’t know about his COVID-19, fentanyl use, criminal record threatening a pregnant woman etc. So a not guilty verdict for the policeman will ‘prove racism’ and set off the inferno. The pressure will be great to find him guilty though.

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @TelfoedJohn

    >>The same thing is happening with Floyd – most people just don’t know about his COVID-19, fentanyl use, criminal record threatening a pregnant woman etc.<<

    Or this (link found on previous iSteve commentary section):

    http://www.massappealnews.com/2020/05/30/porn-video-george-floyd-was-a-pornstar-copulation-with-sexy-black-chick-on-film/

    I don't think the #MeToo Brigades or Pelosi harpies would be too happy about this little Floyd business sideline. Or the Black church ladies. Cognitive Dissonance time.

    On the other hand, as a friend noted, it was honest work for him.

    So far no reference to this acting job has been spotted in any MSM account. Someone should note it here if/when that occurs.

    , @Antonius
    @TelfoedJohn

    He was turning a corner. He took a speedball on the way to his space-x interview just dropped into a local shop to buy some skittles with a queer note. He will be the first Mandingo to be beatified: rumeurs abound of miraculous cures for flatulence.

    Replies: @J S Raggmann, @J S Raggmann

    , @Corvinus
    @TelfoedJohn

    "The same thing is happening with Floyd – most people just don’t know about his COVID-19, fentanyl use, criminal record threatening a pregnant woman etc."

    People do realize those things, and in the end that is irrelevant to what happened to him. What matters most is Floyd was subjected to a police tactic for nine minutes that is helped to contribute to his demise. Do you agree or disagree that the police were justified in employing that technique for that length of time? Why?

    Just for the record (checks notes from one of the posters here who is an ambulance chaser), Chauvin attempted a restraint where he put weight of his knee on the point of a suspect’s jaw, which impedes blood flow to the brain. Why didn't he and his buddies choose to prop up Floyd on the pavement after subduing him and thrown in the back of a squad car and haul him back to the station, rather than put him in that submission hold aka Hulk Hogan?

    To my knowledge, Mr. Sailer has yet to definitively state whether the police should refrain from using this technique because it is a cruel Jewish tactic, or just cruel.

    And, Mr. Sailer, that sawbuck you placed in the till at your local church this past Sunday won't cover the statement you made in relation to the title of this post. Perhaps you are miffed at your pastor because he wouldn't let you put your NOTICING skills to the test for your congregation.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Lars Porsena, @Anon, @fish

    , @Known Fact
    @TelfoedJohn

    There could be problems with the other three cops as well. The mob wants four scalps, but those cases may be more nuanced and incendiary even if Chauvin does get nailed.

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @TelfoedJohn

    It's ironic that the senate recently passed an anti-lynching law at the same time that riots were erupting over the death of George Floyd. The fact is, black rioters are strongly in favor of lynching. If they had their way, Officer Chauvin would be handed over to them and beaten to death or set on fire. That's the only thing that they would regard as justice. As they see it, a trial, with the presumption of innocence, a defense attorney, rules of admissible evidence, etc, possibly resulting in a mere prison sentence, is an intolerable insult. They determined the death penalty was appropriate the instant they saw the video.

    Blacks complaining about lynching reminds me of leftists complaining about McCarthyism. It's not a matter of principle, because it's exactly what they do to their enemies. When it comes to such things as unfounded accusations, guilt by association, loyalty oaths, denial of employment, etc, leftists are all for them, as long as they're in charge. It's that it was used against them that's the outrage.

    , @ben tillman
    @TelfoedJohn


    Anyone who remembers Rodney King will know that the real ruckus didn’t happen till after the not guilty verdict. People were surprised at the verdict, because all they had seen (over and over and over) was a few seconds of a videotape. The same thing is happening with Floyd – most people just don’t know about his COVID-19, fentanyl use, criminal record threatening a pregnant woman etc. So a not guilty verdict for the policeman will ‘prove racism’ and set off the inferno. The pressure will be great to find him guilty though.
     
    The media had several minutes of footage of Rodney King acting like a monster, but they suppressed it because that's their function.
  14. It’s a damned shame we’re going to be stuck with that ugly mug of the latest utterly worthless, unproductive black martyr for the next several years. If we’re to be subjected to this, can’t they at least come up with a pic of him in his graduation gown, a tux or at least a sympathetic childhood photo?

    • Agree: jim jones
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @usNthem

    Middle school graduation perhaps?

    Replies: @usNthem

    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    @usNthem


    If we’re to be subjected to this, can’t they at least come up with a pic of him in his graduation gown, a tux or at least a sympathetic childhood photo?
     
    No.

    BLM and their ilk have accumulated so much power they have no need to soften Fentanyl Floyd's image for normies.

    Replies: @usNthem, @Dieter Kief

    , @Redman
    @usNthem

    There's probably some good stills from his porn flix.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    , @Rapparee
    @usNthem

    He looks like a black Rondo Hatton.

  15. Even in death he’s ‘oppressed’,he can’t rise.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @SomeoneOutHere


    Even in death he’s ‘oppressed’, he can’t rise.</blockquote

    He - sure as hell? - is in heaven already. Nothing - eh - higher than this, heaven above ...higher than a kite (Elton John - Rocket Man) - Eight Miles High. Sigh. This is unreal.
     


     
  16. He will rise when St. Paul (not St. Paul, MN) writes about it later.

  17. Cartoonish white supremacist types wouldn’t have written the script more callously:

    “Here, black people, worship George Floyd! Sure, white people get statesmen, inventors, philosophers and artists but you guys get a petty criminal, welfare-subsisted drug addict with a mean streak.”

    Nice one progs, the totality of your compassion and understanding is on full display…

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    @Not Only Wrathful

    File this one under the Dalrympian propaganda principle. The purpose is to humiliate, not persuade. To make the powerless complicit in a bald lie.

    This guy got a bigger send off than Mandela and Lady Di combined, and you are dared to say anything less than worshipful about it.

    , @Lockean Proviso
    @Not Only Wrathful

    Maybe a statue of St. George of Houston can replace Robert E. Lee in Richmond on Monument Avenue. It would go well with Kehinde Wiley's "Rumor of War" statue there, a rendition of a black dude of apparently similar character and deserved fame:

    https://www.richmond.com/news/local/williams-400-years-of-history-doesnt-sweep-away-with-rumors-of-war-unveiling-in-richmond/article_06db8228-8f3c-5dec-ac76-991f6661af39.amp.html

    Perhaps the war that is rumored is a race war. The stock market is doing well!

  18. Asking the important questions.

  19. JimB says:
    @JimDandy
    And what if the cop being held on 1 Million dollar bond broke no law and used only departmentally-approved procedures and was not the cause of St. Floyd's death? And is found not-guilty?

    Replies: @Magic Dirt Resident, @JimB, @Paul Jolliffe, @neprof, @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo, @Redman, @Sgt. Joe Friday, @Anon7, @ConservaWhig, @Dr. X, @Alden, @Lurker, @Pop Warner, @ben tillman

    And what if the cop being held on 1 Million dollar bond broke no law and used only departmentally-approved procedures and was not the cause of St. Floyd’s death? And is found not-guilty?

    To avoid being lynched, he’ll need to move to Russia, where people have a rude tendency to notice the truth.

    • Agree: By-tor
    • Replies: @Neuday
    @JimB

    He can do what Mark Fuhrman did and move to Idaho. I might invite him to my militia meeting.

  20. Remember that show they made in which Gary Coleman comes back as an angel?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @JohnnyWalker123


    Remember that show they made in which Gary Coleman comes back as an angel?
     
    He came back as a building superintendant in Avenue Q. They never asked him, and he sued.

    Is this classic from that show now cancelled?


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Svk3iYX6Gs4
    , @njguy73
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Holy crap. I thought I was the only one who remembered that.

  21. @Jake
    George Floyd is not the Messiah of the religion of the Numinous Negro. Martin Luther King is the Messiah. Floyd is just another angelic martyr saved by race and faith only.

    Replies: @epebble, @DextersLabRat

    Don’t forget St. Rodney King too, the martyr of 1992.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @epebble


    Don’t forget St. Rodney King too, the martyr of 1992.
     
    King actually did deserve our symphathy. Not for his beating, which he richly deserved, but for the fact that every job he was remotely qualified for was given to a Mexican Guatemalan Salvadoran.

    Floyd himself was a victim of the lockdown.

    Replies: @Alden

  22. @Magic Dirt Resident
    @JimDandy

    Then get the popcorn ready. Fwiw I think he will be found innocent.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    I think not guilty. I wouldn’t call the “smirk for the obvious camera recording him” officer innocent.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @TomSchmidt


    I think not guilty. I wouldn’t call the “smirk for the obvious camera recording him” officer innocent.
     
    The film could actually be a problem for the prosecution and any theory of the case which turns on proving an element of intent, since people tend not to be in the habit of calmly committing murder while knowing that they're being filmed.

    Additionally, how many people being arrested from this point forward will exclaim "I can't breathe" regardless of their level of distress? It's going to be a way to get an advantage in any attempt to resist arrest from this point forward.
  23. @usNthem
    It’s a damned shame we’re going to be stuck with that ugly mug of the latest utterly worthless, unproductive black martyr for the next several years. If we’re to be subjected to this, can’t they at least come up with a pic of him in his graduation gown, a tux or at least a sympathetic childhood photo?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Redman, @Rapparee

    Middle school graduation perhaps?

    • Replies: @usNthem
    @Steve Sailer

    Yeah, with this one, you’d probably want to skip high school!

  24. @Jake
    George Floyd is not the Messiah of the religion of the Numinous Negro. Martin Luther King is the Messiah. Floyd is just another angelic martyr saved by race and faith only.

    Replies: @epebble, @DextersLabRat

    Exactly. Hitler is the devil. And Holocaust Jews, 60s feminists and the drag queen who threw a rock at police at Stonewall are the apostles.

    • Replies: @Oswald Spengler
    @DextersLabRat

    And who is the Holy Ghost in the new Woke religion?

    , @Dr. X
    @DextersLabRat


    Exactly. Hitler is the devil. And Holocaust Jews, 60s feminists and the drag queen who threw a rock at police at Stonewall are the apostles.
     
    And anal, weed and abortion are the holy sacraments.
  25. @Anonymous Jew
    Since when did any religion require verifiable evidence?

    Only the religious mind can so easily dispense with facts (eg Whites more likely to be killed by police when corrected for crime rates/interactions; HBD etc).

    I’ve never been too keen on the Bible thumpers, but in hindsight they don’t seem so bad at all. I’d rather be told I’m going to hell than have my job threatened because I said something “racist” - which nowadays is anything right of center regarding the Sacred Black Bodies).

    Replies: @TomSchmidt, @neprof, @Anon, @Harry Baldwin

    What do you think of the arguments in this article?

    http://www.peterkreeft.com/topics-more/resurrection-evidence.htm

    • Replies: @epebble
    @TomSchmidt

    For a scholarly analysis of the topic, see https://www.amazon.com/How-Jesus-Became-God-Exaltation/dp/0061778184

    Audio summary: https://www.npr.org/2014/04/07/300246095/if-jesus-never-called-himself-god-how-did-he-become-one#:~:text=In%20How%20Jesus%20Became%20God,himself%20God%2C%22%20Ehrman%20says.

    , @jamie b.
    @TomSchmidt


    There are five possible theories...
     
    Kinda no reason to read beyond that. The task isn't to come up with a (supposedly complete) list of possibilities and choose between them. Rather, you need to determine whether the evidence (alleged eyewitness accounts) is comparable to the claim being made (people coming back from the dead).

    As an analogy, I don't need to actually explain why/how several thousand Ugandans claimed to see a talking turtle (during Idi Amin's reign.) I simply need to point out that the evidence (eye witness accounts) isn't comparable to the claim being made (a talking turtle). I cannot explain the talking turtle phenomenon, yet I'm reasonable confident that turtles don't talk.

    The burden of proof lies on those making the claim, and for very implausible claims, the bar is necessarily set very high. Lots of outrageous claims can be dismissed right from the outset this way.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt

    , @Kratoklastes
    @TomSchmidt

    Using a story as 'evidence' of the truth of the story? Seems legit.

    Using that framework, we can say that we have evidence that Superman exists, and that he wears his undies on the outside. Also, there's a place called Bizarro World where superheroes are actually supervillains.

    We also have both textual and video proof that English kids play a weird game on flying broomsticks, and we know how Harry Potter's final confrontation with Voldemort went down, because it was recorded contemporaneously by an impartial observer.

    Otherwise J.K. Rowling must be involved in a conspiracy with the entire film and publishing industry, and it would be impossible for everyone involved to keep silent.

    And what of the marvels (lol) of Wakanda... all documented on film, which is a much more reliable medium than third-hand accounts written at least 40 years after the fact.

    These and other documents contain clear first-hand knowledge of matters that can only be known to those who were present.

    .

    It's the 21st century, and there are still people who fall for "It's written down right there! That's evidence!" Sheesh.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt, @epebble

    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @TomSchmidt


    What do you think of the arguments in this article?
     
    Reason did not put the ideas regarding religion into the mind of Anonymous Jew. Reason will not remove them. Sadly, Anonymous Jew must swim in the Lake.

    But in this life, he is an ally.

    And we need all the allies we can get.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt

  26. @Magic Dirt Resident
    @JimDandy

    Then get the popcorn ready. Fwiw I think he will be found innocent.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Some are speculating Ellison has escalated the charges knowing that it will be impossible for a jury to convict the officer under the required burden of proof, thus leading to an acquittal and even more rioting and chaos.

    That’s kind of 4-D chess territory, but it’s so evil I can’t completely discount it.

    • Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    "Some are speculating Ellison has escalated the charges knowing that it will be impossible for a jury to convict the officer under the required burden of proof, thus leading to an acquittal and even more rioting and chaos."

    A trial of this magnitude and complexity will take place long after November 3, so the DA charged murder in the second to mollify the peaceful looters. We are witnessing 2D tic-tac-toe.

    , @DextersLabRat
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    Or he's banking on America in full cultural revolution mode and the jury members themselves will be threatened by Antifa/BLM if they don't convict.

    Replies: @pepperinmono, @reiner Tor

    , @Forbes
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    Ellison is a Democrat--he's just piling on. More charges just means more guilty in their book.

    Feelings matter, facts don't.

    , @Charon
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    But isn't that why there's a multiplicity of charges? So they can acquit on first-degree but convict on second? Impartial jury lol. Jury of his peers lol. Justice will be done, well you get the point.

    , @Fat tub of lard
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    Nope, that's just regular chess. That's just thinking one step ahead.

    The more unrest the better, so you charge people when you know the case won't stand up, then when it falls over you can tell people, "See, the system stinks!"

    Forget "escalating" charges. Most of these cases celebre should never have been charged in the first place. And weren't, for exactly that reason. The pattern is this:

    * Black guy gets justifiably killed by white/Hispanic/Asian guy/policeman
    * Local police/courts have a look, find it justifiable, take no further action
    * Higher powers lie about it through media proxies: "black guy got killed egregiously unjustifiably by definitely white guy, and local police/courts didn't charge him because of institutional racism!"
    * Riots, protests, political pressure
    * Higher powers force murder charge
    * Murder charge doesn't hold up
    * More riots, protests, political pressure
    * Institutional racism is thus proven to exist, justifying whatever higher powers have in mind to ostensibly remedy it - usually their re-election, but also bribes to friends under the guise of "community support programs" and such like, and the taking over of local police departments, prosecutor's offices, courts, etc

  27. @usNthem
    It’s a damned shame we’re going to be stuck with that ugly mug of the latest utterly worthless, unproductive black martyr for the next several years. If we’re to be subjected to this, can’t they at least come up with a pic of him in his graduation gown, a tux or at least a sympathetic childhood photo?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Redman, @Rapparee

    If we’re to be subjected to this, can’t they at least come up with a pic of him in his graduation gown, a tux or at least a sympathetic childhood photo?

    No.

    BLM and their ilk have accumulated so much power they have no need to soften Fentanyl Floyd’s image for normies.

    • Replies: @usNthem
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    Well, you’re right about that. I was thinking more aesthetically - to have to look at that massive pair of plate suckers is almost more than I can take.

    , @Dieter Kief
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    They don't have too, ok. I am still surprised that they don't at least try to make him look a bit better. Weir scenes inside this goldmine of our public consciousness... - is that the solution of this conundrum: That crime sells - and BLM organizers know that and just follow those gravitation lines??!

  28. @JohnnyWalker123
    Remember that show they made in which Gary Coleman comes back as an angel?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ET9fSmoans

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @njguy73

    Remember that show they made in which Gary Coleman comes back as an angel?

    He came back as a building superintendant in Avenue Q. They never asked him, and he sued.

    Is this classic from that show now cancelled?

    • Thanks: Rouetheday
  29. @JimDandy
    And what if the cop being held on 1 Million dollar bond broke no law and used only departmentally-approved procedures and was not the cause of St. Floyd's death? And is found not-guilty?

    Replies: @Magic Dirt Resident, @JimB, @Paul Jolliffe, @neprof, @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo, @Redman, @Sgt. Joe Friday, @Anon7, @ConservaWhig, @Dr. X, @Alden, @Lurker, @Pop Warner, @ben tillman

    I asked that a couple of days ago and one of the replies mentioned the case is currently scheduled (?) to conclude just before the election.

    If so, and if Chauvin is acquitted, there will be a fired-up Democratic turnout.

    Remember, the one and only concrete step “good whites” can take to demonstrate their “anti-racism” is to vote for Joe Biden.

    The protests/ marches/calls for justice are all political theater to ensure that Trump is not re-elected.

    • Agree: ben tillman
    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Paul Jolliffe

    You don't think the rioting helps Trump?

    Replies: @Cato, @ben tillman, @Paul Jolliffe

    , @Wilkey
    @Paul Jolliffe


    I asked that a couple of days ago and one of the replies mentioned the case is currently scheduled (?) to conclude just before the election. If so, and if Chauvin is acquitted, there will be a fired-up Democratic turnout.
     
    It seems the rare criminal case, especially for murder or manslaughter, that is concluded in only five months, unless there's a plea bargain. Hell, some murder cases take years. Prosecutors like to get all their ducks in a row first.

    If they do get a verdict in under five months you'll know the system was rigged, top to bottom.
  30. @epebble
    @Jake

    Don't forget St. Rodney King too, the martyr of 1992.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Don’t forget St. Rodney King too, the martyr of 1992.

    King actually did deserve our symphathy. Not for his beating, which he richly deserved, but for the fact that every job he was remotely qualified for was given to a Mexican Guatemalan Salvadoran.

    Floyd himself was a victim of the lockdown.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Reg Cæsar

    As soon as he finished his last prison sentence King was given a well paid secure job as a Dodger Stadium grounds keeper. It’s a decades long California state program forcing large employers to give jobs to parolees

    Half the black men who work hospital food, janitor, security guard patient transport central supply jobs are parolees.

  31. Watching the BLM protests over the past week just confirms my impression of Millennials as feckless, ADD nitwits.

    At least when Boomer black activists had a beef with authority they were organized enough to take some particular building over, appoint spokesmen, and draw up a long list of carefully crafted demands. Then hold a press conference to read their demands on camera and distribute hard copies to the print media. (And remember that gathering an angry crowd back then took a lot more work than a Facebook post or tweet.)

    Watching last week’s protests, I saw nothing more than a herd of Millennials wandering around aimlessly like they were at a music festival between bands, holding signs and chanting. Several times a local reporter asked a protester where the crowd was heading and the answer was, “I don’t know.”

    • Agree: Dtbb, anonymous1963
    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Paul Mendez

    I tell you, the hysteria is sexual.

    Replies: @Forbes, @The Wild Geese Howard

    , @Justvisiting
    @Paul Mendez

    The Millenials may be nitwits, but the current crop of kneeling boomer politicians are sub-Neanderthal.

    , @anonymous1963
    @Paul Mendez

    Vapid idiocy.

  32. It don’t matter: FLOYD-20 has already achieved immortality.

    #IcantbreathecuzIhaveadiaperonmyface

    • Agree: J.Ross
    • Replies: @Trinity
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    Oh sheeit. Now that there is funny, I don't care who you is.

    , @22pp22
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    I hereby acknowledge that you were 100% correct in your assessment of Covid-19 being an exercise in mass hysteria.

    Replies: @Change that Matters, @HA

  33. @Paul
    How come none of the murder victims -- even those with no criminal record unlike George Floyd -- on Chicago's South Side get a funeral send-off quite like that of George? Why the double standard?

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @SunBakedSuburb, @TontoBubbaGoldstein, @anonymous1963

    I don’t know why anyone still asks this. No one cares about it, for an obvious reason: intra-group violence is less interesting than inter-group violence.

    • Replies: @Paul
    @Dave Pinsen

    Your argument would be more convincing if black-on-white violence typically got that kind of attention.

    , @Anon
    @Dave Pinsen

    Except for the fact that Blacks kill Whites at a much higher rate and quantity than the inverse, and there is no interest.

    , @bigdicknick
    @Dave Pinsen

    very true which is why the herpaderp more blacks are killed by blacks is a dumb argument. Even Heather MacDonald talks about that which is silly.

    The smart argument is "why don't we talk about black on white crime?" each year blacks murder more whites than vice versa and there are way fewer blacks. So the black-on-white murder rate is like 8x the reverse. In other categories like say, rape it's probably like 30-40x or something.

    Replies: @Paul, @Erik Sieven, @Charon, @Alden, @bigdicknick

    , @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Dave Pinsen


    I don’t know why anyone still asks this. No one cares about it, for an obvious reason: intra-group violence is less interesting than inter-group violence.
     
    This is only the case for people with healthy in-group esteem. Otherwise whites would be the ones rioting and burning down the cities and demanding "reforms" to policing, which would mean more police and more aggressive policing.

    The "evolution" of figures like Biden and Clinton is instructive here, since they successfully empathized with the plight of middle and working class whites (in fairness, there were calls from "black leaders" at the time) enough to implement tough on crime policies in 1994 - but they're now much more likely to possess visceral dislike of middle and working class whites and engage in the hagiography of black criminals. Clearly, the "browning" of the Democratic party is the primary motivating factor here, but it would be interesting to come to some understanding as to how the emotional change happened over the course of a few decades.

    Note as well that it is implied that blacks do not consider black police to be black for the purposes of their outrage - three of four officers in the Freddy Gray affair were black, and it appears that Officer Kueng (one of the four in the Floyd affair) is black or mixed. The Press does a good job obscuring things when there are black Officers involved, at least until the narrative is set and the rioting well underway. But the revelation that black police were involved doesn't mitigate the fact that blacks consider police-on-black activity as inter-racial in nature (despite any contrary information).
    , @Mr. Anon
    @Dave Pinsen

    Nonsense. Blacks victimizing whites seldom if ever makes national news.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Reg Cæsar

  34. @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Magic Dirt Resident

    Some are speculating Ellison has escalated the charges knowing that it will be impossible for a jury to convict the officer under the required burden of proof, thus leading to an acquittal and even more rioting and chaos.

    That's kind of 4-D chess territory, but it's so evil I can't completely discount it.

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @DextersLabRat, @Forbes, @Charon, @Fat tub of lard

    “Some are speculating Ellison has escalated the charges knowing that it will be impossible for a jury to convict the officer under the required burden of proof, thus leading to an acquittal and even more rioting and chaos.”

    A trial of this magnitude and complexity will take place long after November 3, so the DA charged murder in the second to mollify the peaceful looters. We are witnessing 2D tic-tac-toe.

  35. Then Floyd’s widely noted “Golden Coffin” will assure him continued smooth and luxurious sailing as he escorts the sun across the sky each day, and through the underworld at night.

    • LOL: Bardon Kaldian
    • Replies: @Alfa158
    @Anon

    “We now return our souls to the creator,
    as we stand on the edge of eternal darkness.
    Let our chant fill the void,
    in order that others may know.
    In the land of the night,
    the ship of the sun,
    is drawn by the grateful dead*.”

    * Not to be confused with the band Grateful Dead.
    Although it would be nice to know the band was providing a more useful service than playing music that only sounds good to people who are as stoned as Seth Rogen.

  36. @TelfoedJohn
    Anyone who remembers Rodney King will know that the real ruckus didn’t happen till after the not guilty verdict. People were surprised at the verdict, because all they had seen (over and over and over) was a few seconds of a videotape. The same thing is happening with Floyd - most people just don’t know about his COVID-19, fentanyl use, criminal record threatening a pregnant woman etc. So a not guilty verdict for the policeman will ‘prove racism’ and set off the inferno. The pressure will be great to find him guilty though.

    Replies: @Muggles, @Antonius, @Corvinus, @Known Fact, @Harry Baldwin, @ben tillman

    >>The same thing is happening with Floyd – most people just don’t know about his COVID-19, fentanyl use, criminal record threatening a pregnant woman etc.<<

    Or this (link found on previous iSteve commentary section):

    http://www.massappealnews.com/2020/05/30/porn-video-george-floyd-was-a-pornstar-copulation-with-sexy-black-chick-on-film/

    I don't think the #MeToo Brigades or Pelosi harpies would be too happy about this little Floyd business sideline. Or the Black church ladies. Cognitive Dissonance time.

    On the other hand, as a friend noted, it was honest work for him.

    So far no reference to this acting job has been spotted in any MSM account. Someone should note it here if/when that occurs.

  37. @Paul Mendez
    Watching the BLM protests over the past week just confirms my impression of Millennials as feckless, ADD nitwits.

    At least when Boomer black activists had a beef with authority they were organized enough to take some particular building over, appoint spokesmen, and draw up a long list of carefully crafted demands. Then hold a press conference to read their demands on camera and distribute hard copies to the print media. (And remember that gathering an angry crowd back then took a lot more work than a Facebook post or tweet.)

    Watching last week’s protests, I saw nothing more than a herd of Millennials wandering around aimlessly like they were at a music festival between bands, holding signs and chanting. Several times a local reporter asked a protester where the crowd was heading and the answer was, “I don’t know.”

    Replies: @El Dato, @Justvisiting, @anonymous1963

    I tell you, the hysteria is sexual.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @El Dato

    And protest is the sexual release...

    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    @El Dato

    Protests are probably the best way for young women to meet Chads at this time.

    Replies: @El Dato

  38. An iStwitter retweet, or reretweet:

    @Steve_Sailer
    ·
    Apr 15, 2017

    No, it’s FDR’s redlining that caused all black problems all over the world today. Just ask Teh-Genius Coates.

    Have any of his statues been removed or defaced? It’s long overdue.

    • Agree: Bubba
    • Replies: @TelfoedJohn
    @Reg Cæsar

    Never mind FDR - when are the woke going to topple the remaining Marx statues?
    https://twitter.com/samanrtmwrt/status/1270255709528211456

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Menschmaschine

    , @J S Raggmann
    @Reg Cæsar

    Steve mis-spelled Ta-Hissy Fit Coates.

  39. @SomeoneOutHere
    Even in death he's 'oppressed',he can't rise.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

    Even in death he’s ‘oppressed’, he can’t rise.</blockquote

    He – sure as hell? – is in heaven already. Nothing – eh – higher than this, heaven above …higher than a kite (Elton John – Rocket Man) – Eight Miles High. Sigh. This is unreal.

  40. A few years ago I read an essay (not on Unz) speculating upon who, from recent history, will still be remembered in the distant future. Darwin, Freud, Einstein, and other obvious names were mentioned. A few commenters mentioned Elon Musk. It is interesting to think that George Floyd might already be on this list, if the essay were repeated now. And, if the Floyd event precipitates the rapid and complete unraveling of the U.S., Floyd will head the list.

  41. @Reg Cæsar
    An iStwitter retweet, or reretweet:

    @Steve_Sailer
    ·
    Apr 15, 2017


    No, it's FDR's redlining that caused all black problems all over the world today. Just ask Teh-Genius Coates.
     

    Have any of his statues been removed or defaced? It's long overdue.

    Replies: @TelfoedJohn, @J S Raggmann

    Never mind FDR – when are the woke going to topple the remaining Marx statues?
    https://twitter.com/samanrtmwrt/status/1270255709528211456

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @TelfoedJohn

    "First time tragedy, second time, farce."

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    , @Menschmaschine
    @TelfoedJohn

    What he said is irrelevvant, it is always Who? Whom? - Marx was a Marxist (Duh) and, more importantly, a Jew so he is right at the pinnacle of the Woke hierarchy.

  42. @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Magic Dirt Resident

    Some are speculating Ellison has escalated the charges knowing that it will be impossible for a jury to convict the officer under the required burden of proof, thus leading to an acquittal and even more rioting and chaos.

    That's kind of 4-D chess territory, but it's so evil I can't completely discount it.

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @DextersLabRat, @Forbes, @Charon, @Fat tub of lard

    Or he’s banking on America in full cultural revolution mode and the jury members themselves will be threatened by Antifa/BLM if they don’t convict.

    • Replies: @pepperinmono
    @DextersLabRat

    Fentanyl, meth, thc in system
    Wobbly gait
    Resisting arrest
    History of serious violent crime which arresting cops prolly knew about
    Passing counterfeit dough
    Hostile crowd around

    I read autopsy report
    Significant coronary artery disease(Baden lied about this)
    No brain damage( as one would expect from
    blocked carotids )
    No significant neck trauma
    Think he died of fatal ventricular arrhythmia from drugs and stress of event
    Bet he walks

    Agree was upcharged to make it easier to get off causing more riots
    Ellison is piece of work
    As Tucker said, could be next AG Biden administration

    , @reiner Tor
    @DextersLabRat

    Unfortunately that’s not unlikely at all.

  43. The crowd is always clamoring for its Barabbas.

    • Agree: Desiderius
  44. @Dave Pinsen
    @Paul

    I don’t know why anyone still asks this. No one cares about it, for an obvious reason: intra-group violence is less interesting than inter-group violence.

    Replies: @Paul, @Anon, @bigdicknick, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Mr. Anon

    Your argument would be more convincing if black-on-white violence typically got that kind of attention.

    • Agree: Charon, David In TN
  45. @Steve Sailer
    @usNthem

    Middle school graduation perhaps?

    Replies: @usNthem

    Yeah, with this one, you’d probably want to skip high school!

  46. @Magic Dirt Resident
    @JimDandy

    Then get the popcorn ready. Fwiw I think he will be found innocent.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Then get the popcorn ready. Fwiw I think he will be found innocent.

    I don’t know what jury pools in Minneapolis look like, but absent a change of venue he’ll probably waive his right to a jury and put his trial fate in the hands of a single judge in the hopes that he gets a good draw. By “good draw,” he would need someone with the courage to actually look at the evidence and measure it against the law. Another “good draw” would be a judge prone to making errors, which would create appealable issues.

    A change of venue probably means a much whiter and more conservative jury pool, which would be its own can of worms should they acquit.

    Maybe the best outcome is a conviction which rests upon some irreversible error(s) and which gets overturned by an appellate panel a year or so after the conviction.

    • Replies: @Magic Dirt Resident
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Whiter isn't necessarily better if the jury is woke leftist whites. Honestly his best bet would be a jury of mostly latinos.

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Alec, I said this before, but as it now stands, Chauvin would be found quilty in London, Toronto, Paris or anyone of a number of protesting countries. Leave his cell door open let them drag him out and lynch him. Then we can have a martyr too.

    , @Diversity Heretic
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Although they rarely exercise it, the prosecution also has a right to ask for a trial by jury.

    Replies: @Hibernian

  47. New video of George Floyd clearly high and resisting arrest.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=x4ABfJCw9Ls

    • Thanks: Lockean Proviso
    • Replies: @Redman
    @Anon

    Having seen several videos of the arrest, it's pretty clear the officers were more annoyed than angry at having to collar a clearly stoned out giant man. They're not treating him like a perp, but more like someone they're trying to get to the hospital or maybe psyche ward against his will. And he's giving them a lot of trouble.

    If you watch the Chauvin video without sound, it really doesn't seem that egregious. It's the civilians on the street hooting and hollering that grabs your attention, along with Chauvin's almost bored expression.

    And what was up with the two other young guys in Floyd's car? One video shows a different cop telling the kids to stay away from the open car. Was he dealing drugs?

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Anon

    ThreeFifty, you know that footage will be discounted as fake. Remember Michael Brown's autospy definitively proved that he was not shot in the back and was charging the cop. Facts don't count.

    , @Rich
    @Anon

    The editing of the tape, the attempt at hiding his past criminal record and drug intoxication, the crazed propaganda, all leading to looting, assaulting and murders, just to defeat Trump? This insanity is proof that no sane person should ever vote for a democrat again. The repubs are far from perfect, but the dems are certifiably insane.

    , @donut
    @Anon

    FWIW when I was at JHH I was very impressed with the way security handled problem patients . You rarely needed them but when you did they were very impressive , obviously excellent training , never escalating a situation and of course not armed . And pretty much the same group of people the police deal with .
    When there was a city prisoner on the floor he would be hand cuffed to the bed with a cop in the room . Once a prisoner handcuffed to the bed one ankle and one wrist managed to get the guards gun and murdered him . I suspect the cop dozed off , I can't blame him I used to dread having to relieve a sitter in the middle of the night .

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/officer-shot-by-fleeing-inmate-dies/

    Now they have two cops in the room .

  48. @JimDandy
    And what if the cop being held on 1 Million dollar bond broke no law and used only departmentally-approved procedures and was not the cause of St. Floyd's death? And is found not-guilty?

    Replies: @Magic Dirt Resident, @JimB, @Paul Jolliffe, @neprof, @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo, @Redman, @Sgt. Joe Friday, @Anon7, @ConservaWhig, @Dr. X, @Alden, @Lurker, @Pop Warner, @ben tillman

    Hopefully the verdict comes during a cold spell in January.

  49. @lhtness
    It's because the whites are keeping him down.

    Replies: @ChrisZ

    Brilliant.

  50. People will say he did anyway.

    There will be centuries of detailed scholarship, philosophical pontificating, and outright fake stories proving that he did.

    That’s how it works.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @Buzz Mohawk

    "People will say he did anyway."

    Would you like to take George Floyd for a ride in your convertible? Contact Art Deco; he knows how to get in touch with me.

  51. @Anonymous Jew
    Since when did any religion require verifiable evidence?

    Only the religious mind can so easily dispense with facts (eg Whites more likely to be killed by police when corrected for crime rates/interactions; HBD etc).

    I’ve never been too keen on the Bible thumpers, but in hindsight they don’t seem so bad at all. I’d rather be told I’m going to hell than have my job threatened because I said something “racist” - which nowadays is anything right of center regarding the Sacred Black Bodies).

    Replies: @TomSchmidt, @neprof, @Anon, @Harry Baldwin

    I’d rather be told I’m going to hell than have my job threatened because I said something “racist” – which nowadays is anything right of center regarding the Sacred Black Bodies).

    Doesn’t take much, UCLA professor fired:

    https://freebeacon.com/latest-news/ucla-professor-under-police-protection-following-threats/

    • Replies: @Black-hole creator
    @neprof

    Not fired - suspended, it is not that easy to fire a tenured professor. But his future at UCLA is not going to be rosy.

    This is happening everywhere in academia. In my field of study, blacks are maybe 1% of the community. Yet, there is this charade going on with petitions that everybody has to sign and academic "strikes" in support of Saint Floyd. This is completely insane.

    Replies: @black sea

    , @Morris Applebaum IV
    @neprof

    I thought he was suspended.

    Most of us here aren't representative, but I still wonder how many people are keeping quiet but are seething inside about the sickening BLM movement, which ironically and absurdly harms Blacks even more than Whites.

    This is a pure power play and many/most Whites and bending over and spreading.

    , @Grahamsno(G64)
    @neprof

    The coalition of the fringes have no concept of Academic freedom or freedom of speech, you can gauge the metrics of that, it was intimately tied to freedom of conscience which flowered and took its final shape in Anglo Saxon societies. Trying to teach them something so abstract is like trying to teach a dog play chess. The academia unleashed the cultural revolution and the teachers will pay the price.

  52. @Dave Pinsen
    @Paul

    I don’t know why anyone still asks this. No one cares about it, for an obvious reason: intra-group violence is less interesting than inter-group violence.

    Replies: @Paul, @Anon, @bigdicknick, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Mr. Anon

    Except for the fact that Blacks kill Whites at a much higher rate and quantity than the inverse, and there is no interest.

  53. @JimDandy
    And what if the cop being held on 1 Million dollar bond broke no law and used only departmentally-approved procedures and was not the cause of St. Floyd's death? And is found not-guilty?

    Replies: @Magic Dirt Resident, @JimB, @Paul Jolliffe, @neprof, @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo, @Redman, @Sgt. Joe Friday, @Anon7, @ConservaWhig, @Dr. X, @Alden, @Lurker, @Pop Warner, @ben tillman

    I hate to say this,as my heart goes out to that poor cop,but maybe the best thing for everyone is if he were to be Epsteined.

    • Replies: @J S Raggmann
    @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo

    Do you mean make him disappear and substitute a body of a homeless person from the morgue?

    , @Anonymous
    @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo


    I hate to say this,as my heart goes out to that poor cop,
     
    Why does your heart go out to him?
  54. @Dave Pinsen
    @Paul

    I don’t know why anyone still asks this. No one cares about it, for an obvious reason: intra-group violence is less interesting than inter-group violence.

    Replies: @Paul, @Anon, @bigdicknick, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Mr. Anon

    very true which is why the herpaderp more blacks are killed by blacks is a dumb argument. Even Heather MacDonald talks about that which is silly.

    The smart argument is “why don’t we talk about black on white crime?” each year blacks murder more whites than vice versa and there are way fewer blacks. So the black-on-white murder rate is like 8x the reverse. In other categories like say, rape it’s probably like 30-40x or something.

    • Agree: West Reanimator
    • Replies: @Paul
    @bigdicknick

    False choice.

    , @Erik Sieven
    @bigdicknick

    By the way I wonder whether there is one single country in the world where in the last 50 years in sum more subsaharan African people have been killed by non-subsaharan Africans than the other way round.

    Replies: @Alfa158

    , @Charon
    @bigdicknick

    Agreed, but the differential is closer to 25x.

    , @Alden
    @bigdicknick

    Agree. I hate the weeping that blacks kill each other. Why not at least acknowledge black on White crime.

    Who cares what they do to each other.

    , @bigdicknick
    @bigdicknick

    steve why didn't you approve my vignette about the jewish teachers at my majority minority highschool? It wasn't any more unhinged than the rest of my comments lol.

  55. @Anonymous Jew
    Since when did any religion require verifiable evidence?

    Only the religious mind can so easily dispense with facts (eg Whites more likely to be killed by police when corrected for crime rates/interactions; HBD etc).

    I’ve never been too keen on the Bible thumpers, but in hindsight they don’t seem so bad at all. I’d rather be told I’m going to hell than have my job threatened because I said something “racist” - which nowadays is anything right of center regarding the Sacred Black Bodies).

    Replies: @TomSchmidt, @neprof, @Anon, @Harry Baldwin

    What makes you think that you are not in Hell?

    Are you not being tortured by demons?

    An honest reappraisal needs to take place.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @Anon

    "What makes you think that you are not in Hell?"

    According to the THR, Bossy Black Lady Ava DuVernay will now have even more funding to squander on her racialist agitprop that nobody but white women will watch. Isn't that the very definition of hell?

  56. This reminds me of a joke I’ve heard about the late Yugoslav ruler J. Broz Tito. Tito died, and Croats and Serbs were quarreling over the funeral.

    Serbs said: You bury him, he is yours.

    Croats replied: No, you bury him, he gave you the most.

    And a group of Jews asked: May we propose something? Could we bury him?

    Croats & Serbs angrily shout at the Jews: No! You buried one two thousand years ago and he came back to life. Forget it!

  57. @Paul
    How come none of the murder victims -- even those with no criminal record unlike George Floyd -- on Chicago's South Side get a funeral send-off quite like that of George? Why the double standard?

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @SunBakedSuburb, @TontoBubbaGoldstein, @anonymous1963

    “Chicago’s South Side”

    Bad optics. The Sacred Black Body narrative must be protected from reality. The noodle arm white kids will wilt if the truth leaks out.

  58. @Dave Pinsen
    @Paul

    I don’t know why anyone still asks this. No one cares about it, for an obvious reason: intra-group violence is less interesting than inter-group violence.

    Replies: @Paul, @Anon, @bigdicknick, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Mr. Anon

    I don’t know why anyone still asks this. No one cares about it, for an obvious reason: intra-group violence is less interesting than inter-group violence.

    This is only the case for people with healthy in-group esteem. Otherwise whites would be the ones rioting and burning down the cities and demanding “reforms” to policing, which would mean more police and more aggressive policing.

    The “evolution” of figures like Biden and Clinton is instructive here, since they successfully empathized with the plight of middle and working class whites (in fairness, there were calls from “black leaders” at the time) enough to implement tough on crime policies in 1994 – but they’re now much more likely to possess visceral dislike of middle and working class whites and engage in the hagiography of black criminals. Clearly, the “browning” of the Democratic party is the primary motivating factor here, but it would be interesting to come to some understanding as to how the emotional change happened over the course of a few decades.

    Note as well that it is implied that blacks do not consider black police to be black for the purposes of their outrage – three of four officers in the Freddy Gray affair were black, and it appears that Officer Kueng (one of the four in the Floyd affair) is black or mixed. The Press does a good job obscuring things when there are black Officers involved, at least until the narrative is set and the rioting well underway. But the revelation that black police were involved doesn’t mitigate the fact that blacks consider police-on-black activity as inter-racial in nature (despite any contrary information).

  59. Al Sharpton is speaking now at the funeral. Will he launch any additional verbal attacks on Asians and Jews (favorite targets of his)?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Paul

    There are some things you just can't say on TV:

    NYC man who threatened to burn down Diamond District charged with ‘making terroristic threats,’ police say

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/ny-man-diamond-district-threats-charged

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Paul

    Paul, he pulled the NFL and Roger Goodell out off his ass.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @Reg Cæsar

    , @J.Ross
    @Paul

    Sharpton's opportunistic anti-Semitism in New York was a tribalist turf war, a function of the unique position and number of Jews in New York and of Sharpton being a non-Jewish New Yorker set against them. Insofar as recognizable Jews played any role here (and we may as well grant the claims of some that Jews played no role at all) they wouldn't work as Sharpton's target.
    Of course, it would also be nice if the same opprobrium which attaches to Sharpton's anti-Semitism were to show up for his vile racist calumniation of Gentile whites, but that ain't happenin.

  60. @Peter Johnson
    The state-funded Irish t.v. news channel cancelled all its normal programming this afternoon in order to show Saint George Floyd's Texas funeral in full.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @Matra, @Forbes, @Alden, @Reg Cæsar, @Amerimutt Golems, @anonymous1963, @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo

    Was this RTE extravaganza moderated by Ireland’s own half-Hindu sodomite Teoasuch?

    If so, it would be entirely appropriate and consistent with modern-day Ireland and its woke populace.

    • Agree: JMcG
    • Replies: @Lurker
    @Dan Hayes

    Hindu nuffin.

  61. @El Dato
    Amazing how everyone in particular every single white politician is now supposed to personally hail Saint "Just About To Turn My Life Around" Floyd or be declared oldthinking unperson and be dragged off (and can we get Elton John to compose something like he did for La Diana?), but nobody even remembers Justine "Karen in Pajamas" Damond.

    Floyd, the new Rosa Luxemburg?

    Replies: @Dr. Krieger

    Floyd, the new Rosa Luxemburg?

    I sure hope so, if it means that we get another You-Know-Who, 14 years later.

    • LOL: Charon
  62. @TomSchmidt
    @Magic Dirt Resident

    I think not guilty. I wouldn't call the "smirk for the obvious camera recording him" officer innocent.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    I think not guilty. I wouldn’t call the “smirk for the obvious camera recording him” officer innocent.

    The film could actually be a problem for the prosecution and any theory of the case which turns on proving an element of intent, since people tend not to be in the habit of calmly committing murder while knowing that they’re being filmed.

    Additionally, how many people being arrested from this point forward will exclaim “I can’t breathe” regardless of their level of distress? It’s going to be a way to get an advantage in any attempt to resist arrest from this point forward.

  63. @Peter Johnson
    The state-funded Irish t.v. news channel cancelled all its normal programming this afternoon in order to show Saint George Floyd's Texas funeral in full.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @Matra, @Forbes, @Alden, @Reg Cæsar, @Amerimutt Golems, @anonymous1963, @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo

    How’s RTE covering the three filmed beatings (and in one case, brutal stabbing) of Irish teens by black mobs? Just kidding. I mean, Limerick is so far away from Dublin 4 why would RTE care?

    • Replies: @Peter Johnson
    @Matra

    Were there three such recent incidents? Only one received a (very oblique) reference in the mainstream media. And even in that case the race of the attacker with the knife was never mentioned.

  64. @JimDandy
    And what if the cop being held on 1 Million dollar bond broke no law and used only departmentally-approved procedures and was not the cause of St. Floyd's death? And is found not-guilty?

    Replies: @Magic Dirt Resident, @JimB, @Paul Jolliffe, @neprof, @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo, @Redman, @Sgt. Joe Friday, @Anon7, @ConservaWhig, @Dr. X, @Alden, @Lurker, @Pop Warner, @ben tillman

    Exactly. I have been discussing that very possibility with a liberal lawyer friend of mine. He admits that based on the evidence we’ve seen, it seems that (1) the three other officers should be acquitted, and (2) Chauvin should be acquitted of intentional homicide.

    I don’t know if MN law allows a lesser included charge like manslaughter, which would have been the more obvious charge if this case were brought by the DA in NY. If not, Chauvin could be exonerated completely. Then what happens?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Redman


    He admits that based on the evidence we’ve seen, it seems that (1) the three other officers should be acquitted, and (2) Chauvin should be acquitted of intentional homicide.
     
    What is his reasoning?
  65. @Buzz Mohawk
    People will say he did anyway.

    There will be centuries of detailed scholarship, philosophical pontificating, and outright fake stories proving that he did.

    That's how it works.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    “People will say he did anyway.”

    Would you like to take George Floyd for a ride in your convertible? Contact Art Deco; he knows how to get in touch with me.

  66. @usNthem
    It’s a damned shame we’re going to be stuck with that ugly mug of the latest utterly worthless, unproductive black martyr for the next several years. If we’re to be subjected to this, can’t they at least come up with a pic of him in his graduation gown, a tux or at least a sympathetic childhood photo?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Redman, @Rapparee

    There’s probably some good stills from his porn flix.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Redman

    I skimmed through his porn flick. It wasn't very good.

  67. It’s been over a week, homies. I think y’all are worshipping the wrong nigga.

  68. @bigdicknick
    @Dave Pinsen

    very true which is why the herpaderp more blacks are killed by blacks is a dumb argument. Even Heather MacDonald talks about that which is silly.

    The smart argument is "why don't we talk about black on white crime?" each year blacks murder more whites than vice versa and there are way fewer blacks. So the black-on-white murder rate is like 8x the reverse. In other categories like say, rape it's probably like 30-40x or something.

    Replies: @Paul, @Erik Sieven, @Charon, @Alden, @bigdicknick

    False choice.

  69. So, does Pope Francis look past Floyd not being a nice Catholic boy and skip the preliminaries, like beatification and proof of two miracles, and go straight to canonisation?

  70. @TomSchmidt
    @Anonymous Jew

    What do you think of the arguments in this article?

    http://www.peterkreeft.com/topics-more/resurrection-evidence.htm

    Replies: @epebble, @jamie b., @Kratoklastes, @Charles Erwin Wilson

  71. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Magic Dirt Resident


    Then get the popcorn ready. Fwiw I think he will be found innocent.
     
    I don't know what jury pools in Minneapolis look like, but absent a change of venue he'll probably waive his right to a jury and put his trial fate in the hands of a single judge in the hopes that he gets a good draw. By "good draw," he would need someone with the courage to actually look at the evidence and measure it against the law. Another "good draw" would be a judge prone to making errors, which would create appealable issues.

    A change of venue probably means a much whiter and more conservative jury pool, which would be its own can of worms should they acquit.

    Maybe the best outcome is a conviction which rests upon some irreversible error(s) and which gets overturned by an appellate panel a year or so after the conviction.

    Replies: @Magic Dirt Resident, @Buffalo Joe, @Diversity Heretic

    Whiter isn’t necessarily better if the jury is woke leftist whites. Honestly his best bet would be a jury of mostly latinos.

  72. @The Wild Geese Howard
    @usNthem


    If we’re to be subjected to this, can’t they at least come up with a pic of him in his graduation gown, a tux or at least a sympathetic childhood photo?
     
    No.

    BLM and their ilk have accumulated so much power they have no need to soften Fentanyl Floyd's image for normies.

    Replies: @usNthem, @Dieter Kief

    Well, you’re right about that. I was thinking more aesthetically – to have to look at that massive pair of plate suckers is almost more than I can take.

  73. Sharpton, speaking now, is significant because the Sharpton “ordained minister” model will become the police replacements. Sharpton was ordained at age 9. It’s very easy to get the “reverend” title. The Father Guido Sarducci “20-minute university” routine comes to mind. It will be conferred on all manner of black people. It won’t be social workers; it will be a muscular, young, black minister, with a doctorate, who tells you what to do.

  74. @Anon
    @Anonymous Jew

    What makes you think that you are not in Hell?

    Are you not being tortured by demons?

    An honest reappraisal needs to take place.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    “What makes you think that you are not in Hell?”

    According to the THR, Bossy Black Lady Ava DuVernay will now have even more funding to squander on her racialist agitprop that nobody but white women will watch. Isn’t that the very definition of hell?

  75. @JimDandy
    And what if the cop being held on 1 Million dollar bond broke no law and used only departmentally-approved procedures and was not the cause of St. Floyd's death? And is found not-guilty?

    Replies: @Magic Dirt Resident, @JimB, @Paul Jolliffe, @neprof, @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo, @Redman, @Sgt. Joe Friday, @Anon7, @ConservaWhig, @Dr. X, @Alden, @Lurker, @Pop Warner, @ben tillman

    An acquittal would not surprise me either. First of all, the defense is going to request (and probably get) a change of venue on grounds that the defendant can’t get a fair trial in the Twin Cities area. Second, I have doubts they can make a charge of 2nd degree murder stick. Involuntary manslaughter might be the best they can get, but even that isn’t a slam dunk. The defense is going to bring up at trial that the deceased was uncooperative, combative, and had to be restrained. They’re going to point to Floyd’s being under the influence of drugs, his underlying medical conditions, and also point out that the the compliance technique the officer used was within department policy.

    I am reminded of the Rodney King case. A friend of mine who was on the LAPD at the time said that King was belligerent and behaving in a manner consistent with PCP intoxication. The cops used their nightsticks only when nothing else was working. And oh, by the way, the two other people in the car with King were cooperative and went home unscathed.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Sgt. Joe Friday

    What I'd be interested in seeing the degree to which the local coroner and Michael Baden can be successfully impeached at trial. One of the horrors in the Freddie Gray case was that the deputy coroner who examined him was suborned somehow and made a nonsense ruling that his death was a homicide, even though there was available security camera footage demonstrating that the van he was in was operated normally throughout his time in it and even though the other passenger in the paddy wagon emerged unscathed from a different compartment therein and said Gray had been bouncing off the walls. The driver of the van had had to stop and admonish him multiple times, finally cuffing his hands and feet and laying him on the floor of the van with an instruction to remain still.

    I have a strong suspicion the 'homicide' ruling is rubbish and the coroner knew it when he signed it. (Baden's a hearse chaser).

  76. @JimDandy
    And what if the cop being held on 1 Million dollar bond broke no law and used only departmentally-approved procedures and was not the cause of St. Floyd's death? And is found not-guilty?

    Replies: @Magic Dirt Resident, @JimB, @Paul Jolliffe, @neprof, @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo, @Redman, @Sgt. Joe Friday, @Anon7, @ConservaWhig, @Dr. X, @Alden, @Lurker, @Pop Warner, @ben tillman

    The USA has a much higher rate of police killing civilians than elsewhere in the world. Way higher. Full stop.

    So, let’s not talk about race. Let’s talk about a People, a Nation of persons, who don’t know how to surrender! We hate doing it.

    Once we’re adults, we’re especially unhappy with the idea that there are super-Adults, namely cops, who can give us a time-out whenever the law requires it. We have Narcissistic Personality Disorder, we think BLM, we think we’re being disrespected, you name it..

    We just can’t stop resisting arrest! That’s why so many people get shot. It’s also why the police are almost invariably found innocent. It’s because they mostly are innocent, they’re just doing their jobs.

    The RATE OF POLICE KILLING CIVILIANS is a stupid statistic. We need the RATE OF RESISTING ARREST across nations. Then, our problem would be obvious.

    The following scenario should be seen a thousand times by all Americans by the time they are twelve:

    COP: Sir, I need to put you in handcuffs, and then I’ll put you in the back of this police vehicle.

    CIVILIAN: Um…

    COP: Sir, there are two choices. A) You go quietly. B) I will use sufficient force, up to and including killing you. Right here, right now. And if you live, you will spend guaranteed jail time for resisting arrest. Please comply.

    CIVILIAN: Um…

    COP: Let me put it this way. This is not a confrontation between two men. The entire adult citizenry of the United States stands right behind me. Please comply now.

    CIVILIAN: Well, when you put it that way.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Anon7

    Yeah. The Rule of Law ultimately rests on this cornerstone. It's not a pleasant thought. But a lot of things about reality aren't pleasant.

  77. @Peter Johnson
    The state-funded Irish t.v. news channel cancelled all its normal programming this afternoon in order to show Saint George Floyd's Texas funeral in full.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @Matra, @Forbes, @Alden, @Reg Cæsar, @Amerimutt Golems, @anonymous1963, @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo

    Oh my, the tee-vee programming avoided missed out on by cutting the cable cord. Darn…

  78. @JimDandy
    And what if the cop being held on 1 Million dollar bond broke no law and used only departmentally-approved procedures and was not the cause of St. Floyd's death? And is found not-guilty?

    Replies: @Magic Dirt Resident, @JimB, @Paul Jolliffe, @neprof, @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo, @Redman, @Sgt. Joe Friday, @Anon7, @ConservaWhig, @Dr. X, @Alden, @Lurker, @Pop Warner, @ben tillman

    I can’t imagine Chauvin not being convicted by a judge or jury of something.

    Consciously or unconsciously, they will punish him–regardless of innocence/guilt–in order to counter the narrative that “cops are never punished for bad behavior.” And to prevent America’s cities from burning yet again.

    • Replies: @Ed
    @ConservaWhig

    There’s a report out today that they were negotiating a plea deal before his arrest but it broke down. I have a hard time seeing this case going to trial, it’s not an either party’s interests.

    https://www.fox9.com/news/ex-minneapolis-police-officer-chauvin-was-in-talks-to-plead-guilty-before-arrest

    , @Ed
    @ConservaWhig

    There’s a report out today that they were negotiating a plea deal before his arrest but it broke down. I have a hard time seeing this case going to trial, it’s not an either party’s interests.

    https://www.fox9.com/news/ex-minneapolis-police-officer-chauvin-was-in-talks-to-plead-guilty-before-arrest

    , @Art Deco
    @ConservaWhig

    Depends on the jurisdiction.

  79. What if he does?

  80. @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Magic Dirt Resident

    Some are speculating Ellison has escalated the charges knowing that it will be impossible for a jury to convict the officer under the required burden of proof, thus leading to an acquittal and even more rioting and chaos.

    That's kind of 4-D chess territory, but it's so evil I can't completely discount it.

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @DextersLabRat, @Forbes, @Charon, @Fat tub of lard

    Ellison is a Democrat–he’s just piling on. More charges just means more guilty in their book.

    Feelings matter, facts don’t.

  81. @TelfoedJohn
    Anyone who remembers Rodney King will know that the real ruckus didn’t happen till after the not guilty verdict. People were surprised at the verdict, because all they had seen (over and over and over) was a few seconds of a videotape. The same thing is happening with Floyd - most people just don’t know about his COVID-19, fentanyl use, criminal record threatening a pregnant woman etc. So a not guilty verdict for the policeman will ‘prove racism’ and set off the inferno. The pressure will be great to find him guilty though.

    Replies: @Muggles, @Antonius, @Corvinus, @Known Fact, @Harry Baldwin, @ben tillman

    He was turning a corner. He took a speedball on the way to his space-x interview just dropped into a local shop to buy some skittles with a queer note. He will be the first Mandingo to be beatified: rumeurs abound of miraculous cures for flatulence.

    • Replies: @J S Raggmann
    @Antonius

    Comments like yours are why I spend time on this site. Some people here, some not all, have insights and leaps of logic that would never occur to me. The first two sentences were mildly funny, repeating funny memes I have read before, but the last sentence was an unexpected home run. Keep those bon mots coming.

    , @J S Raggmann
    @Antonius

    Inadvertant repeat.

  82. @Anon
    New video of George Floyd clearly high and resisting arrest.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=x4ABfJCw9Ls

    Replies: @Redman, @Buffalo Joe, @Rich, @donut

    Having seen several videos of the arrest, it’s pretty clear the officers were more annoyed than angry at having to collar a clearly stoned out giant man. They’re not treating him like a perp, but more like someone they’re trying to get to the hospital or maybe psyche ward against his will. And he’s giving them a lot of trouble.

    If you watch the Chauvin video without sound, it really doesn’t seem that egregious. It’s the civilians on the street hooting and hollering that grabs your attention, along with Chauvin’s almost bored expression.

    And what was up with the two other young guys in Floyd’s car? One video shows a different cop telling the kids to stay away from the open car. Was he dealing drugs?

  83. @El Dato
    @Paul Mendez

    I tell you, the hysteria is sexual.

    Replies: @Forbes, @The Wild Geese Howard

    And protest is the sexual release…

  84. @bigdicknick
    @Dave Pinsen

    very true which is why the herpaderp more blacks are killed by blacks is a dumb argument. Even Heather MacDonald talks about that which is silly.

    The smart argument is "why don't we talk about black on white crime?" each year blacks murder more whites than vice versa and there are way fewer blacks. So the black-on-white murder rate is like 8x the reverse. In other categories like say, rape it's probably like 30-40x or something.

    Replies: @Paul, @Erik Sieven, @Charon, @Alden, @bigdicknick

    By the way I wonder whether there is one single country in the world where in the last 50 years in sum more subsaharan African people have been killed by non-subsaharan Africans than the other way round.

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    @Erik Sieven

    Maybe Libya during the uprising? It was pretty chaotic and therefore hard to tell precisely what was going on, but the general impression is that there was a violent purging and expulsion of a lot of the Sub-Saharan Africans who had entered the country during the Kadaffi regime.

  85. George Floyd is more Horst Wessel than Jesus Christ.

  86. “He’s not the Messiah. He’s a very naughty boy. Now go away.”

    • LOL: Charon, Farenheit
  87. anyone up for some protest grave robbing?

    imagine all the teeth we could make out of that casket!

  88. @The Wild Geese Howard
    @usNthem


    If we’re to be subjected to this, can’t they at least come up with a pic of him in his graduation gown, a tux or at least a sympathetic childhood photo?
     
    No.

    BLM and their ilk have accumulated so much power they have no need to soften Fentanyl Floyd's image for normies.

    Replies: @usNthem, @Dieter Kief

    They don’t have too, ok. I am still surprised that they don’t at least try to make him look a bit better. Weir scenes inside this goldmine of our public consciousness... – is that the solution of this conundrum: That crime sells – and BLM organizers know that and just follow those gravitation lines??!

  89. @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    It don't matter: FLOYD-20 has already achieved immortality.

    #IcantbreathecuzIhaveadiaperonmyface

    Replies: @Trinity, @22pp22

    Oh sheeit. Now that there is funny, I don’t care who you is.

  90. What! he’s being buried ,they could have spent the whole summer and fall taking the casket around America,city to city …..wait! ,AN INTERNATIONAL TOUR!!!! opportunity lost:(

    • LOL: MarkinLA
    • Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian
    @tyrone

    Well, yeah! Maybe somewhere his casket could be being crowd surfed on the hands of the hysterical mourners and, just like what happened with Ayatollah Khomeini, the body could fall out of the casket. That was a good time.

  91. @Paul Jolliffe
    @JimDandy

    I asked that a couple of days ago and one of the replies mentioned the case is currently scheduled (?) to conclude just before the election.

    If so, and if Chauvin is acquitted, there will be a fired-up Democratic turnout.

    Remember, the one and only concrete step “good whites” can take to demonstrate their “anti-racism” is to vote for Joe Biden.

    The protests/ marches/calls for justice are all political theater to ensure that Trump is not re-elected.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Wilkey

    You don’t think the rioting helps Trump?

    • Replies: @Cato
    @JimDandy

    This is why no one is smart enough to orchestrate this: acquital, riots, OH NO Trump benefits! Definitely not what the encouragers of the riots strove for.

    Replies: @JimDandy

    , @ben tillman
    @JimDandy


    You don’t think the rioting helps Trump?
     
    The rioting? Yes. This episode overall? Hell, no. It is a disaster for him.

    Replies: @JimDandy

    , @Paul Jolliffe
    @JimDandy

    Jim Dandy wrote:

    "You don't think the rioting helps Trump?"

    Riots will push some centrists to Trump, or at least they won't vote for Biden.

    But a "not guilty" verdict will energize and mobilize enough left-leaning Dems to do something that many would not otherwise have bothered to do: actually show up on Election Day and vote!

    As Steve has noted for years, the key for Democrats is to roil up their lackluster, disorganized base sufficiently to win an election.
    Democrats actually do engage in vote fraud, but usually not on a massive scale. They want just enough fraud to get the Republicans to react so that the Democrats can then fire up their base with "Republicans are trying suppress the vote!"

    Steve has argued that has been a major tactic for Dems in the past.

    A "not guilty" verdict just before the election would have the same impact on would-be Dem voters as the old "vote suppression" claim.


    So, for vastly different reasons, would both Democrats and Republicans welcome a "not guilty" verdict in the trial of Darren Chauvin?

    Replies: @JimDandy

  92. @Not Only Wrathful
    Cartoonish white supremacist types wouldn't have written the script more callously:

    "Here, black people, worship George Floyd! Sure, white people get statesmen, inventors, philosophers and artists but you guys get a petty criminal, welfare-subsisted drug addict with a mean streak."

    Nice one progs, the totality of your compassion and understanding is on full display...

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @Lockean Proviso

    File this one under the Dalrympian propaganda principle. The purpose is to humiliate, not persuade. To make the powerless complicit in a bald lie.

    This guy got a bigger send off than Mandela and Lady Di combined, and you are dared to say anything less than worshipful about it.

    • Agree: Not Only Wrathful
  93. Altai [AKA "Altai_2"] says:

    Just found this, from Vancouver.

    The shirt reads: ‘Please give me space. I am diabetic and more susceptable to Covid-19’

    Nothing can come between a pretty blonde W.E.I.R.D. girl and her virtue signalling for social media.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Altai

    BLM stands for Black Looting Matters.

  94. @TomSchmidt
    @Anonymous Jew

    What do you think of the arguments in this article?

    http://www.peterkreeft.com/topics-more/resurrection-evidence.htm

    Replies: @epebble, @jamie b., @Kratoklastes, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    There are five possible theories…

    Kinda no reason to read beyond that. The task isn’t to come up with a (supposedly complete) list of possibilities and choose between them. Rather, you need to determine whether the evidence (alleged eyewitness accounts) is comparable to the claim being made (people coming back from the dead).

    As an analogy, I don’t need to actually explain why/how several thousand Ugandans claimed to see a talking turtle (during Idi Amin’s reign.) I simply need to point out that the evidence (eye witness accounts) isn’t comparable to the claim being made (a talking turtle). I cannot explain the talking turtle phenomenon, yet I’m reasonable confident that turtles don’t talk.

    The burden of proof lies on those making the claim, and for very implausible claims, the bar is necessarily set very high. Lots of outrageous claims can be dismissed right from the outset this way.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    @jamie b.

    The major problem with the argument is that the only record of it is in the holy book of the people who believe it. Obviously there were no iPhones to record either death or a formerly dead person walking about. But there were eyewitnesses to the phenomenon, and Kreeft's argument has to do with those people. Recall that the same book that reported on this phenomenon reported on the raising from the dead of several people by the same affiliated group.

    Now, if I were to argue against it I'd argue that the people who did not believe at the time were like a silent majority today, with nothing invested in the sanctity of Jesus didn't bother contradicting the narrative of a small, fanatical group of believers. The fact remains that that small fanatical group of believers eventually took over the empire that had put its leader to the cross.

    Replies: @jamie b.

  95. @TelfoedJohn
    Anyone who remembers Rodney King will know that the real ruckus didn’t happen till after the not guilty verdict. People were surprised at the verdict, because all they had seen (over and over and over) was a few seconds of a videotape. The same thing is happening with Floyd - most people just don’t know about his COVID-19, fentanyl use, criminal record threatening a pregnant woman etc. So a not guilty verdict for the policeman will ‘prove racism’ and set off the inferno. The pressure will be great to find him guilty though.

    Replies: @Muggles, @Antonius, @Corvinus, @Known Fact, @Harry Baldwin, @ben tillman

    “The same thing is happening with Floyd – most people just don’t know about his COVID-19, fentanyl use, criminal record threatening a pregnant woman etc.”

    People do realize those things, and in the end that is irrelevant to what happened to him. What matters most is Floyd was subjected to a police tactic for nine minutes that is helped to contribute to his demise. Do you agree or disagree that the police were justified in employing that technique for that length of time? Why?

    Just for the record (checks notes from one of the posters here who is an ambulance chaser), Chauvin attempted a restraint where he put weight of his knee on the point of a suspect’s jaw, which impedes blood flow to the brain. Why didn’t he and his buddies choose to prop up Floyd on the pavement after subduing him and thrown in the back of a squad car and haul him back to the station, rather than put him in that submission hold aka Hulk Hogan?

    To my knowledge, Mr. Sailer has yet to definitively state whether the police should refrain from using this technique because it is a cruel Jewish tactic, or just cruel.

    And, Mr. Sailer, that sawbuck you placed in the till at your local church this past Sunday won’t cover the statement you made in relation to the title of this post. Perhaps you are miffed at your pastor because he wouldn’t let you put your NOTICING skills to the test for your congregation.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Corvinus

    An ex-convict drug addict died of a heart attack while resisting arrest. It happens.

    Maybe the cop got a little overzealous, and maybe he deserves to be found guilty of some crime or another. That's up to a jury of his peers. It would be nice if the man got a fair trial, but I'm not overly optimistic about his chances.

    But I do believe that this gnarly sprawling clusterfuck of media-driven Soros-funded mass hysteria is a big steaming furious ball of nothing. Some second-rate burglar suffers cardiac arrest in police custody and the entire Western world goes apeshit. What gives?

    I haven't shed one tear for George Floyd, and I never will. If hysterical cucks want to bawl their eyes out over his passing, that's their privilege. I don't care. I just want to go back to the halcyon days when all we had to worry about was finding toilet paper.

    Corona-chan, where are you when we need you? All is forgiven! Come back so our fearless leaders can drive the malcontents into their dingy little apartments!

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @Lars Porsena
    @Corvinus


    he put weight of his knee on the point of a suspect’s jaw, which impedes blood flow to the brain.
     
    This must be the new Social Justice Anatomy.
    , @Anon
    @Corvinus

    Irrelevant. The numbers alone indicate that White People could find a similar event to riot over, as they find death at the same or higher rates than Blacks per Police interaction.

    White people don't riot because those numbers are the cost of civilization. So what exactly are Blacks and their supporters rioting over, other than a lack of math, morality, and logic?

    Black people are being led into a trap.

    , @fish
    @Corvinus


    People do realize those things....
     
    No they don't. The crowd is populated by morons! Even if they did there will be nothing that interferes with the canonization of St. George of Floyd.

    You are correct though that the restraint tactic was and is grossly in excess of what was required.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  96. @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Magic Dirt Resident

    Some are speculating Ellison has escalated the charges knowing that it will be impossible for a jury to convict the officer under the required burden of proof, thus leading to an acquittal and even more rioting and chaos.

    That's kind of 4-D chess territory, but it's so evil I can't completely discount it.

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @DextersLabRat, @Forbes, @Charon, @Fat tub of lard

    But isn’t that why there’s a multiplicity of charges? So they can acquit on first-degree but convict on second? Impartial jury lol. Jury of his peers lol. Justice will be done, well you get the point.

  97. @bigdicknick
    @Dave Pinsen

    very true which is why the herpaderp more blacks are killed by blacks is a dumb argument. Even Heather MacDonald talks about that which is silly.

    The smart argument is "why don't we talk about black on white crime?" each year blacks murder more whites than vice versa and there are way fewer blacks. So the black-on-white murder rate is like 8x the reverse. In other categories like say, rape it's probably like 30-40x or something.

    Replies: @Paul, @Erik Sieven, @Charon, @Alden, @bigdicknick

    Agreed, but the differential is closer to 25x.

  98. @Jan
    How many shootings by the end of George's funeral and would the media report them?

    Replies: @Charon

    Can you imagine? Biden might even have a heart attack if that happened. And the MSM would claim that “white supremacists” were the ones behind it.

  99. @neprof
    @Anonymous Jew


    I’d rather be told I’m going to hell than have my job threatened because I said something “racist” – which nowadays is anything right of center regarding the Sacred Black Bodies).
     
    Doesn't take much, UCLA professor fired:

    https://freebeacon.com/latest-news/ucla-professor-under-police-protection-following-threats/

    Replies: @Black-hole creator, @Morris Applebaum IV, @Grahamsno(G64)

    Not fired – suspended, it is not that easy to fire a tenured professor. But his future at UCLA is not going to be rosy.

    This is happening everywhere in academia. In my field of study, blacks are maybe 1% of the community. Yet, there is this charade going on with petitions that everybody has to sign and academic “strikes” in support of Saint Floyd. This is completely insane.

    • Replies: @black sea
    @Black-hole creator

    The Daily Mail also has an article about this situation. Apparently, one of the points the professor made in his response to this "request" was that, as his class had been conducted online, he didn't actually know which students were Black and which not.

    Man, it doesn't get much more racist than that.

  100. @SafeNow
    It’s small consolation, but he’ll still be Time magazine’s Person of the Year.

    Replies: @Kronos, @Justvisiting, @Jim Given

    That porno he was in should be added to the African American Museum in D.C.

    • LOL: Mike Tre
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Kronos

    Even as a porn perfomer Floyd wasn't impressive at all. He's not that big for a black man-most white male porn stars have more than he's got. And he doesn't know anything about camera angles or presenting the action in a cinematic way. He just goes at it like a horny drunken teenager.

    You can tell he's just a low IQ, typical underclass negro doofus.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    , @Kronos
    @Kronos

    It’s a pity he didn’t have a porno background in breathplay. Otherwise, he would’ve learned how to conserve air and outlast the dom (the cop.)

    Replies: @Kronos

  101. Mike Bloomberg tweet anything? What is the holy digital writ?

  102. @El Dato
    @Paul Mendez

    I tell you, the hysteria is sexual.

    Replies: @Forbes, @The Wild Geese Howard

    Protests are probably the best way for young women to meet Chads at this time.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    Quite. The mindless but maoist/leninist/spontaneist fucking during May '68 was tremendous. You can bet Black Lives seriously matter at this very moment at the UCLA commune.

    Meanwhile, coastel twitter elites discover the backwoods:

    https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/times-watchdog/protesters-and-armed-self-declared-protectors-underscore-divides-in-snohomish/


    Devin Burghart, executive director of the Institute for Research & Education on Human Rights, which tracks far-right movements, said the response in many rural areas to false threats have been troubling and chilling, especially for communities of color. Gatherings like the ones in Snohomish also could prove consequential.

    “Part of the problem is people are thinking this is another good-old-boy activity. But it’s become a breeding ground for far-right groups to look for additional recruits,” he said. “Some local elected officials have been rightly concerned about the dangers of these untrained, unelected, unaccountable right-wingers with guns in their communities. Others have embraced them. I think that is dangerous on a number of levels.”

    A photo on Twitter from downtown Snohomish last week showed two men appearing to flash the “OK” hand gesture associated with white supremacist groups. Both had pepper spray in tactical belts and one wore a ballistic vest that had “Proud Boy” across the top, referring to the far-right group of men who describe themselves as “Western chauvinists” and are known for brawling at rallies.

    “As a person of color, and there aren’t many of us here, it’s really scary,” said Mahllie Beck, a 21-year-old who has been protesting.
     

    etc. etc. etc. Confederate flags were spotted and it's disgusting.

    And so:

    Police chief ousted for backing ‘gun-toting’ vigilantes who defended small town from alleged ‘Antifa threat’

  103. @neprof
    @Anonymous Jew


    I’d rather be told I’m going to hell than have my job threatened because I said something “racist” – which nowadays is anything right of center regarding the Sacred Black Bodies).
     
    Doesn't take much, UCLA professor fired:

    https://freebeacon.com/latest-news/ucla-professor-under-police-protection-following-threats/

    Replies: @Black-hole creator, @Morris Applebaum IV, @Grahamsno(G64)

    I thought he was suspended.

    Most of us here aren’t representative, but I still wonder how many people are keeping quiet but are seething inside about the sickening BLM movement, which ironically and absurdly harms Blacks even more than Whites.

    This is a pure power play and many/most Whites and bending over and spreading.

  104. Steal his body and say he did anyway. The only witnesses were his mother and his best friend.

  105. Biden inadvertently hilarious.

    • Thanks: Lot
    • Replies: @Lockean Proviso
    @peterike

    He's thinking 'if only Uncle Joe could squeeze her shoulder, bury his nose in her afro, maybe pat her bottom if nobody's looking too closely...'

  106. @TomSchmidt
    @Anonymous Jew

    What do you think of the arguments in this article?

    http://www.peterkreeft.com/topics-more/resurrection-evidence.htm

    Replies: @epebble, @jamie b., @Kratoklastes, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Using a story as ‘evidence’ of the truth of the story? Seems legit.

    Using that framework, we can say that we have evidence that Superman exists, and that he wears his undies on the outside. Also, there’s a place called Bizarro World where superheroes are actually supervillains.

    We also have both textual and video proof that English kids play a weird game on flying broomsticks, and we know how Harry Potter’s final confrontation with Voldemort went down, because it was recorded contemporaneously by an impartial observer.

    Otherwise J.K. Rowling must be involved in a conspiracy with the entire film and publishing industry, and it would be impossible for everyone involved to keep silent.

    And what of the marvels (lol) of Wakanda… all documented on film, which is a much more reliable medium than third-hand accounts written at least 40 years after the fact.

    These and other documents contain clear first-hand knowledge of matters that can only be known to those who were present.

    .

    It’s the 21st century, and there are still people who fall for “It’s written down right there! That’s evidence!” Sheesh.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    @Kratoklastes

    I found the argument interesting as an attempt at logic. The story, of course, is entirely reported in the book of the believers. I'll take it you're not a believer, so you'd choose theories 2 through 5 on this outrageous claim.

    Of course, I'd bet that most Jews at the time did not either know about or care about the claims of the Apostles, and so had no skin in the game, just as the internal political debates of the Slovenian governing coalition do not concern you Today. So they ignored the issue and lived their lives, while the believers convinced others. The vast majority of people today do not believe in Marxist revolution, too. Watch out for what the true believers can accomplish.

    , @epebble
    @Kratoklastes

    An Eyewitness account: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Wi9PUCdP04

  107. @TelfoedJohn
    Anyone who remembers Rodney King will know that the real ruckus didn’t happen till after the not guilty verdict. People were surprised at the verdict, because all they had seen (over and over and over) was a few seconds of a videotape. The same thing is happening with Floyd - most people just don’t know about his COVID-19, fentanyl use, criminal record threatening a pregnant woman etc. So a not guilty verdict for the policeman will ‘prove racism’ and set off the inferno. The pressure will be great to find him guilty though.

    Replies: @Muggles, @Antonius, @Corvinus, @Known Fact, @Harry Baldwin, @ben tillman

    There could be problems with the other three cops as well. The mob wants four scalps, but those cases may be more nuanced and incendiary even if Chauvin does get nailed.

  108. @Corvinus
    @TelfoedJohn

    "The same thing is happening with Floyd – most people just don’t know about his COVID-19, fentanyl use, criminal record threatening a pregnant woman etc."

    People do realize those things, and in the end that is irrelevant to what happened to him. What matters most is Floyd was subjected to a police tactic for nine minutes that is helped to contribute to his demise. Do you agree or disagree that the police were justified in employing that technique for that length of time? Why?

    Just for the record (checks notes from one of the posters here who is an ambulance chaser), Chauvin attempted a restraint where he put weight of his knee on the point of a suspect’s jaw, which impedes blood flow to the brain. Why didn't he and his buddies choose to prop up Floyd on the pavement after subduing him and thrown in the back of a squad car and haul him back to the station, rather than put him in that submission hold aka Hulk Hogan?

    To my knowledge, Mr. Sailer has yet to definitively state whether the police should refrain from using this technique because it is a cruel Jewish tactic, or just cruel.

    And, Mr. Sailer, that sawbuck you placed in the till at your local church this past Sunday won't cover the statement you made in relation to the title of this post. Perhaps you are miffed at your pastor because he wouldn't let you put your NOTICING skills to the test for your congregation.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Lars Porsena, @Anon, @fish

    An ex-convict drug addict died of a heart attack while resisting arrest. It happens.

    Maybe the cop got a little overzealous, and maybe he deserves to be found guilty of some crime or another. That’s up to a jury of his peers. It would be nice if the man got a fair trial, but I’m not overly optimistic about his chances.

    But I do believe that this gnarly sprawling clusterfuck of media-driven Soros-funded mass hysteria is a big steaming furious ball of nothing. Some second-rate burglar suffers cardiac arrest in police custody and the entire Western world goes apeshit. What gives?

    I haven’t shed one tear for George Floyd, and I never will. If hysterical cucks want to bawl their eyes out over his passing, that’s their privilege. I don’t care. I just want to go back to the halcyon days when all we had to worry about was finding toilet paper.

    Corona-chan, where are you when we need you? All is forgiven! Come back so our fearless leaders can drive the malcontents into their dingy little apartments!

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Stan Adams

    "An ex-convict drug addict died of a heart attack while resisting arrest. It happens."

    Try again.

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-two-autopsies-of-george-floyd-arent-as-different-as-they-seem/

    Maybe the cop got a little overzealous, and maybe he deserves to be found guilty of some crime or another. That’s up to a jury of his peers. It would be nice if the man got a fair trial, but I’m not overly optimistic about his chances."

    Indeed, but the video evidence is compelling.

    "But I do believe that this gnarly sprawling clusterfuck of media-driven Soros-funded mass hysteria"

    What you are giving here is an assertion, not fact. You're going to have provide specific evidence.

    "Some second-rate burglar suffers cardiac arrest in police custody and the entire Western world goes apeshit."

    It's more than that. Perhaps you require a primer on the matter?

    I haven’t shed one tear for George Floyd, and I never will. If hysterical cucks want to bawl their eyes out over his passing, that’s their privilege. I don’t care. I just want to go back to the halcyon days when all we had to worry about was finding toilet paper.

    Corona-chan, where are you when we need you? All is forgiven! Come back so our fearless leaders can drive the malcontents into their dingy little apartments!

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Mr. Anon

  109. @JimDandy
    And what if the cop being held on 1 Million dollar bond broke no law and used only departmentally-approved procedures and was not the cause of St. Floyd's death? And is found not-guilty?

    Replies: @Magic Dirt Resident, @JimB, @Paul Jolliffe, @neprof, @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo, @Redman, @Sgt. Joe Friday, @Anon7, @ConservaWhig, @Dr. X, @Alden, @Lurker, @Pop Warner, @ben tillman

    He won’t be acquitted. They’ll get all black prosecutors and an all- black jury. It’ll basically be a government/Negro lynching of a white.

    They’ll probably sentence him to life plus 419 years like that poor fat white kid in Charlottesville…

  110. @usNthem
    It’s a damned shame we’re going to be stuck with that ugly mug of the latest utterly worthless, unproductive black martyr for the next several years. If we’re to be subjected to this, can’t they at least come up with a pic of him in his graduation gown, a tux or at least a sympathetic childhood photo?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Redman, @Rapparee

    He looks like a black Rondo Hatton.

  111. A suggestion for the Trump campaign and interested others: let’s stop the dialectic crap and treat George Floyd and Rodney King not as good men or bad men, but as genuinely marginal characters. In other words, meet them in the middle.

    Notice to Democrats: King couldn’t get a job because of your immigration policy. Floyd couldn’t afford a pack of cigarettes because of your lockdown.

    “Donald Trump got George Floyd a job. Tim Walz took it away.”

    (Yes, Floyd was an ex-con and a porn “star”– some female columnist recently asked why they were always “stars”– but he may genuinely have been trying to leave that in his past, and got no help from the authorities. Hammer on that point.)

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Reg Cæsar

    King had a very good job, affirmative action grounds keeper at Dodger Stadium. The State of California has had programs which urge big employers to employee parolees for a long time.

    My meat department manager friend works in a big supermarket chain and is afflicted with these guys. They do get months of meat cutter training before sent to the stores. He looks Hispanic so the Hispanic parolees are always trying to bully him. They just do not understand that a workplace break room is not a prison exercise yard.

    He doesn’t get many blacks as they are too dumb to learn to cut and package meat and use the computer. Plus they can’t read at all. It’s easy to get rid of the blacks because they’re always sexually harassing women clerks and customers and the companies get rid of them fast because of liability

    Walgreens has become known as the parolee drug store.

  112. @Anon
    Then Floyd's widely noted "Golden Coffin" will assure him continued smooth and luxurious sailing as he escorts the sun across the sky each day, and through the underworld at night.

    Replies: @Alfa158

    “We now return our souls to the creator,
    as we stand on the edge of eternal darkness.
    Let our chant fill the void,
    in order that others may know.
    In the land of the night,
    the ship of the sun,
    is drawn by the grateful dead*.”

    * Not to be confused with the band Grateful Dead.
    Although it would be nice to know the band was providing a more useful service than playing music that only sounds good to people who are as stoned as Seth Rogen.

  113. @TelfoedJohn
    @Reg Cæsar

    Never mind FDR - when are the woke going to topple the remaining Marx statues?
    https://twitter.com/samanrtmwrt/status/1270255709528211456

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Menschmaschine

    “First time tragedy, second time, farce.”

    • Agree: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Reg Cæsar


    “First time tragedy, second time, farce.”
     
    Marx's old aphorism needs to be updated for the current year - to better reflect the absolute clown-world reality we now live in.

    History repeats itself: the first time as farce, the second time as Tijuana donkey-show.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  114. @DextersLabRat
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    Or he's banking on America in full cultural revolution mode and the jury members themselves will be threatened by Antifa/BLM if they don't convict.

    Replies: @pepperinmono, @reiner Tor

    Fentanyl, meth, thc in system
    Wobbly gait
    Resisting arrest
    History of serious violent crime which arresting cops prolly knew about
    Passing counterfeit dough
    Hostile crowd around

    I read autopsy report
    Significant coronary artery disease(Baden lied about this)
    No brain damage( as one would expect from
    blocked carotids )
    No significant neck trauma
    Think he died of fatal ventricular arrhythmia from drugs and stress of event
    Bet he walks

    Agree was upcharged to make it easier to get off causing more riots
    Ellison is piece of work
    As Tucker said, could be next AG Biden administration

  115. @Corvinus
    @TelfoedJohn

    "The same thing is happening with Floyd – most people just don’t know about his COVID-19, fentanyl use, criminal record threatening a pregnant woman etc."

    People do realize those things, and in the end that is irrelevant to what happened to him. What matters most is Floyd was subjected to a police tactic for nine minutes that is helped to contribute to his demise. Do you agree or disagree that the police were justified in employing that technique for that length of time? Why?

    Just for the record (checks notes from one of the posters here who is an ambulance chaser), Chauvin attempted a restraint where he put weight of his knee on the point of a suspect’s jaw, which impedes blood flow to the brain. Why didn't he and his buddies choose to prop up Floyd on the pavement after subduing him and thrown in the back of a squad car and haul him back to the station, rather than put him in that submission hold aka Hulk Hogan?

    To my knowledge, Mr. Sailer has yet to definitively state whether the police should refrain from using this technique because it is a cruel Jewish tactic, or just cruel.

    And, Mr. Sailer, that sawbuck you placed in the till at your local church this past Sunday won't cover the statement you made in relation to the title of this post. Perhaps you are miffed at your pastor because he wouldn't let you put your NOTICING skills to the test for your congregation.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Lars Porsena, @Anon, @fish

    he put weight of his knee on the point of a suspect’s jaw, which impedes blood flow to the brain.

    This must be the new Social Justice Anatomy.

  116. @Dave Pinsen
    @Paul

    I don’t know why anyone still asks this. No one cares about it, for an obvious reason: intra-group violence is less interesting than inter-group violence.

    Replies: @Paul, @Anon, @bigdicknick, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Mr. Anon

    Nonsense. Blacks victimizing whites seldom if ever makes national news.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Mr. Anon

    Where did I say anything about the news? Blacks victimizing whites is interesting to red pilled whites; that the media obscures it is a different point.

    Replies: @David In TN

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Mr. Anon


    Blacks victimizing whites seldom if ever makes national news.
     
    Everyday life is, by definition, not news.

    Replies: @David In TN, @Mr. Anon

  117. @JimDandy
    And what if the cop being held on 1 Million dollar bond broke no law and used only departmentally-approved procedures and was not the cause of St. Floyd's death? And is found not-guilty?

    Replies: @Magic Dirt Resident, @JimB, @Paul Jolliffe, @neprof, @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo, @Redman, @Sgt. Joe Friday, @Anon7, @ConservaWhig, @Dr. X, @Alden, @Lurker, @Pop Warner, @ben tillman

    Generally, if the cop uses approved procedures death of an arrestee is unfortunate but they are not charged with a crime. Just paid time off till the investigation is complete.

    Since St Felony, blessed be his name, was full of fentanyl and meth with a very bad heart, the investigation would have ended when internal affairs read the autopsy and coroner’s statement cause of death was heart attack caused by illegal drugs

    But liberals are always on the internet looking for police brutality. They probably have a notification thing for anything to start a riot and destroy a White person.

    Saw another Trump re election AD. Economy was great, new jobs, till the epidemic, now it’s over economy is roaring back jobs jobs jobs moving factories back to America. Great AD He can afford good ADs

  118. Who exactly are they going to use as jurors? If I was called upon to serve, I’d want my identity concealed entirely. If we found the officer innocent, a guarantee of full Witness Protection relocation would be non negotiable.

  119. @Reg Cæsar
    @TelfoedJohn

    "First time tragedy, second time, farce."

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    “First time tragedy, second time, farce.”

    Marx’s old aphorism needs to be updated for the current year – to better reflect the absolute clown-world reality we now live in.

    History repeats itself: the first time as farce, the second time as Tijuana donkey-show.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Mr. Anon


    Marx’s old aphorism needs to be updated for the current year – to better reflect the absolute clown-world reality we now live in.
     
    The civil rights movement was the tragedy. The women's movement was the farce. The gay rights movement was the burlesque.

    The trans rights movement is the Adam Sandler feature film.
  120. @Peter Johnson
    The state-funded Irish t.v. news channel cancelled all its normal programming this afternoon in order to show Saint George Floyd's Texas funeral in full.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @Matra, @Forbes, @Alden, @Reg Cæsar, @Amerimutt Golems, @anonymous1963, @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo

    Columbus was in Galway in 1477 seeking funding for his voyage. A statue commemorates his visit. It’s being pulled down because he was a White man or something evil.

  121. He will rise, and his vote shall be cast in November to prove it.

  122. Ed says:

    If he had died of an overdose, his family would be hard pressed to get him cremated. Gets killed by a white cop, gets a state funeral in 3 states, a GOP governor claiming his death will transform America, a building in Ghana dedicated to him and now a sports building in Houston too.

    People have gone crazy. This guy had kids who didn’t even know what he looked like.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Ed


    People have gone crazy
     
    Indeed.

    I'm wondering if we'll soon have queues for purple kool-aid.
  123. Heresy alert!

  124. @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo
    @JimDandy

    I hate to say this,as my heart goes out to that poor cop,but maybe the best thing for everyone is if he were to be Epsteined.

    Replies: @J S Raggmann, @Anonymous

    Do you mean make him disappear and substitute a body of a homeless person from the morgue?

    • LOL: Chrisnonymous
  125. This is why holograms were invented.

    Rise, Floyd, Rise!

  126. @SafeNow
    It’s small consolation, but he’ll still be Time magazine’s Person of the Year.

    Replies: @Kronos, @Justvisiting, @Jim Given

    If Obozo can get a Nobel Peace Prize for doing nothing, Floyd is certainly entitled to one as well.

  127. @Reg Cæsar
    A suggestion for the Trump campaign and interested others: let's stop the dialectic crap and treat George Floyd and Rodney King not as good men or bad men, but as genuinely marginal characters. In other words, meet them in the middle.

    Notice to Democrats: King couldn't get a job because of your immigration policy. Floyd couldn't afford a pack of cigarettes because of your lockdown.

    "Donald Trump got George Floyd a job. Tim Walz took it away."


    (Yes, Floyd was an ex-con and a porn "star"-- some female columnist recently asked why they were always "stars"-- but he may genuinely have been trying to leave that in his past, and got no help from the authorities. Hammer on that point.)

    Replies: @Alden

    King had a very good job, affirmative action grounds keeper at Dodger Stadium. The State of California has had programs which urge big employers to employee parolees for a long time.

    My meat department manager friend works in a big supermarket chain and is afflicted with these guys. They do get months of meat cutter training before sent to the stores. He looks Hispanic so the Hispanic parolees are always trying to bully him. They just do not understand that a workplace break room is not a prison exercise yard.

    He doesn’t get many blacks as they are too dumb to learn to cut and package meat and use the computer. Plus they can’t read at all. It’s easy to get rid of the blacks because they’re always sexually harassing women clerks and customers and the companies get rid of them fast because of liability

    Walgreens has become known as the parolee drug store.

  128. @Paul Mendez
    Watching the BLM protests over the past week just confirms my impression of Millennials as feckless, ADD nitwits.

    At least when Boomer black activists had a beef with authority they were organized enough to take some particular building over, appoint spokesmen, and draw up a long list of carefully crafted demands. Then hold a press conference to read their demands on camera and distribute hard copies to the print media. (And remember that gathering an angry crowd back then took a lot more work than a Facebook post or tweet.)

    Watching last week’s protests, I saw nothing more than a herd of Millennials wandering around aimlessly like they were at a music festival between bands, holding signs and chanting. Several times a local reporter asked a protester where the crowd was heading and the answer was, “I don’t know.”

    Replies: @El Dato, @Justvisiting, @anonymous1963

    The Millenials may be nitwits, but the current crop of kneeling boomer politicians are sub-Neanderthal.

  129. @Paul
    Al Sharpton is speaking now at the funeral. Will he launch any additional verbal attacks on Asians and Jews (favorite targets of his)?

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Buffalo Joe, @J.Ross

    There are some things you just can’t say on TV:

    NYC man who threatened to burn down Diamond District charged with ‘making terroristic threats,’ police say

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/ny-man-diamond-district-threats-charged

  130. @Reg Cæsar
    An iStwitter retweet, or reretweet:

    @Steve_Sailer
    ·
    Apr 15, 2017


    No, it's FDR's redlining that caused all black problems all over the world today. Just ask Teh-Genius Coates.
     

    Have any of his statues been removed or defaced? It's long overdue.

    Replies: @TelfoedJohn, @J S Raggmann

    Steve mis-spelled Ta-Hissy Fit Coates.

  131. Charles Erwin Wilson [AKA "Charles Erwin Wilson Three"] says:
    @TomSchmidt
    @Anonymous Jew

    What do you think of the arguments in this article?

    http://www.peterkreeft.com/topics-more/resurrection-evidence.htm

    Replies: @epebble, @jamie b., @Kratoklastes, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    What do you think of the arguments in this article?

    Reason did not put the ideas regarding religion into the mind of Anonymous Jew. Reason will not remove them. Sadly, Anonymous Jew must swim in the Lake.

    But in this life, he is an ally.

    And we need all the allies we can get.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Yes, well, I'm more and more convinced of the arguments from The Axial Age, that establishment of coinage led to the idea of rational calculation, of valuing everything as a ratio of one thing to another.

    The fact that the Greeks knew that some things could not be expressed rationally (like Pi and Phi) has not deterred the mindset of the very intelligent (or at least clever) people who ARE rational, who do see everything as numbers. They've been empowered by the "Information Age" infrastructure. Of course, the ability to calculate, which was a tremendous genetic advantage in previous existence, is being removed slowly by the increase in processing power: it will be a commodity, and it is becoming one now.

    Agreed on allies.

  132. I don’t see the point in mocking Floyd, he is not being set up as a saint. Why exactly was he handcuffed and while face down sat upon by 4 cops for 8 minutes until he died? What was the plan if he did not die in 8 minutes, sit on him for 15 min a half hour?

    The event was kind of ancient.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crushing_(execution)

    Actual Catholic Saint martyred by crushing
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Clitherow

    • Replies: @fish
    @George


    I don’t see the point in mocking Floyd, he is not being set up as a saint.
     
    Yes....he is! Not his fault though.
    , @Lurker
    @George

    But he is being set up as a saint.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    , @FPD72
    @George


    I don’t see the point in mocking Floyd, he is not being set up as a saint.
     
    Did you see the funeral? His painting, sporting wings on his back and a halo over his head, with a hagiography for a eulogy. Almost as reverential as The Apotheosis of Washington in the Capitol Rotunda.
  133. @JimDandy
    And what if the cop being held on 1 Million dollar bond broke no law and used only departmentally-approved procedures and was not the cause of St. Floyd's death? And is found not-guilty?

    Replies: @Magic Dirt Resident, @JimB, @Paul Jolliffe, @neprof, @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo, @Redman, @Sgt. Joe Friday, @Anon7, @ConservaWhig, @Dr. X, @Alden, @Lurker, @Pop Warner, @ben tillman

    I wonder if that’s why such dismal cases are chosen?

    Stir up the usual suspects, have trial, cop is acquitted because acting within the rules and the deceased is a violent scumbag. Then the usual suspects rampage again. Two bites of the cherry.

  134. @JimDandy
    And what if the cop being held on 1 Million dollar bond broke no law and used only departmentally-approved procedures and was not the cause of St. Floyd's death? And is found not-guilty?

    Replies: @Magic Dirt Resident, @JimB, @Paul Jolliffe, @neprof, @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo, @Redman, @Sgt. Joe Friday, @Anon7, @ConservaWhig, @Dr. X, @Alden, @Lurker, @Pop Warner, @ben tillman

    He’ll be found guilty regardless of how innocent he is. He’s another political prisoner just like Kames Fields, and he can never expect a fair trial

  135. Anon[299] • Disclaimer says:

    If I were a Black Man of at least middling IQ, say 115 or so, I’d be smart enough to be intensely worried that the slave traders were making a religion out of one of my group’s criminals and his racially unexceptional death.

    Such confusing, irrational, and intense focus by the group that cups my vulnerable life in its immensely powerful hand would be setting off every alarm bell.

  136. He better not, that’s why the gold coffin: if he resurrects the family has to give all that money back.

  137. I sometimes wonder if that’s why they tend to champion such bad cases. Sandra Bland got less attention that you’d think, considering the cop was definitely in the wrong, but… he was fired. Justice was served. The Obama administration knew for a long time that the Ferguson case was bogus, but they sat on it to encourage trouble, knowing the “murderer” would eventually be let off.

  138. Anon[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus
    @TelfoedJohn

    "The same thing is happening with Floyd – most people just don’t know about his COVID-19, fentanyl use, criminal record threatening a pregnant woman etc."

    People do realize those things, and in the end that is irrelevant to what happened to him. What matters most is Floyd was subjected to a police tactic for nine minutes that is helped to contribute to his demise. Do you agree or disagree that the police were justified in employing that technique for that length of time? Why?

    Just for the record (checks notes from one of the posters here who is an ambulance chaser), Chauvin attempted a restraint where he put weight of his knee on the point of a suspect’s jaw, which impedes blood flow to the brain. Why didn't he and his buddies choose to prop up Floyd on the pavement after subduing him and thrown in the back of a squad car and haul him back to the station, rather than put him in that submission hold aka Hulk Hogan?

    To my knowledge, Mr. Sailer has yet to definitively state whether the police should refrain from using this technique because it is a cruel Jewish tactic, or just cruel.

    And, Mr. Sailer, that sawbuck you placed in the till at your local church this past Sunday won't cover the statement you made in relation to the title of this post. Perhaps you are miffed at your pastor because he wouldn't let you put your NOTICING skills to the test for your congregation.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Lars Porsena, @Anon, @fish

    Irrelevant. The numbers alone indicate that White People could find a similar event to riot over, as they find death at the same or higher rates than Blacks per Police interaction.

    White people don’t riot because those numbers are the cost of civilization. So what exactly are Blacks and their supporters rioting over, other than a lack of math, morality, and logic?

    Black people are being led into a trap.

    • Agree: bomag
    • Disagree: Corvinus
  139. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Magic Dirt Resident


    Then get the popcorn ready. Fwiw I think he will be found innocent.
     
    I don't know what jury pools in Minneapolis look like, but absent a change of venue he'll probably waive his right to a jury and put his trial fate in the hands of a single judge in the hopes that he gets a good draw. By "good draw," he would need someone with the courage to actually look at the evidence and measure it against the law. Another "good draw" would be a judge prone to making errors, which would create appealable issues.

    A change of venue probably means a much whiter and more conservative jury pool, which would be its own can of worms should they acquit.

    Maybe the best outcome is a conviction which rests upon some irreversible error(s) and which gets overturned by an appellate panel a year or so after the conviction.

    Replies: @Magic Dirt Resident, @Buffalo Joe, @Diversity Heretic

    Alec, I said this before, but as it now stands, Chauvin would be found quilty in London, Toronto, Paris or anyone of a number of protesting countries. Leave his cell door open let them drag him out and lynch him. Then we can have a martyr too.

  140. @Anon
    New video of George Floyd clearly high and resisting arrest.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=x4ABfJCw9Ls

    Replies: @Redman, @Buffalo Joe, @Rich, @donut

    ThreeFifty, you know that footage will be discounted as fake. Remember Michael Brown’s autospy definitively proved that he was not shot in the back and was charging the cop. Facts don’t count.

    • Agree: Bubba
  141. @Paul
    Al Sharpton is speaking now at the funeral. Will he launch any additional verbal attacks on Asians and Jews (favorite targets of his)?

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Buffalo Joe, @J.Ross

    Paul, he pulled the NFL and Roger Goodell out off his ass.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    @Buffalo Joe

    Roger's father was the Rockefeller Republican US Senator - Enough Said (apple and all that falling business!).

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Buffalo Joe


    Paul, he pulled the NFL and Roger Goodell out off his ass.
     
    Dad Charles gave us the gift of Jim Buckley in the Senate.

    Were you near the elder Goodell's disrict? In the House, he represented his constituents, in the Senate, he represented the Rockefellers.

    Replies: @David In TN

  142. Meanwhile, in the UK:

    University will rename student halls named after former Prime Minister William Gladstone
    Students stressed the former Liberal Prime Minister’s family links to slaveholding in a letter to the university of Liverpool’s Vice Chancellor

    Gladstone’s father, the merchant John Gladstone, was one of the largest slaveholders in the West Indies, owning more than 2,500 at the time of the abolition of slavery.

    The letter also criticised Gladstone for advocating the interests of West Indian planters over “the freedom of slaves that he and his father financially relied upon”, and called for the hall to be renamed as a “show of solidarity in the rejection of Black oppression.”

    https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/university-rename-student-halls-named-18387566

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @syonredux

    Britain's imperialist monuments face a bitter reckoning amid Black Lives Matter protests


    On Tuesday, the Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, announced a commission to examine the future of landmarks around the UK capital, including murals, street art, street names and statues.
    The Commission for Diversity in the Public Realm is aimed at improving "diversity across London's public realm, to ensure the capital's landmarks suitably reflect London's achievements and diversity.

     

    In Edinburgh, a statue of the 18th-century Scottish philosopher David Hume was adorned with a placard quoting his views on white superiority.
    Hume is considered one of the foremost thinIkers of the Scottish Enlightenment, and his bronze statue sits on Edinburgh's Royal Mile, the main thoroughfare of the city's Old Town.
     

    But Hume's reputation has become tarnished in recent years, with increased focus on his views on race. The sign left on the statue features a line from Hume's essay "Of National Characters" saying that he "is apt to to suspect the negroes ... to be naturally inferior to the whites."
     

    A statue of Scottish politician Henry Dundas stands atop the Melville Monument in the city of Edinburgh.
    Dundas, who held a number of government positions, including Home Secretary, is known for supporting the delay of the abolition of slavery towards the end of the 18th century.
    The monument was graffitied during Sunday's protests, and an online petition is now calling for Dundas' statue to be removed, and for the streets named in his honor to be renamed.
    Campaigners are instead recommending that the streets be named after Scottish-Jamaican slave Joseph Knight, who successfully freed himself in the courts by proving that Scots law did not recognize slavery.

     


    On Monday, Edinburgh authorities announced that a plaque will be added to the monument highlighting the city's history of slavery.
    A meeting will be held with experts and historians "with a view to agreeing a new form of words as quickly as possible," said Edinburgh city official Adam McVey in a statement.
    "We need to take action as a city now to tackle racism and that includes acknowledging the involvement of some of our city's historical figures in the slave trade and the failure to abolish it sooner."

     


    Elsewhere, a statue of Scottish merchant and slave-owner Robert Milligan will be removed "as soon as possible" from the Docklands area in east London, the Canal and River Trust said in a statement Tuesday.
    The statue is currently located outside the Museum of London Docklands. Milligan, born in 1746, was the driving force behind the construction of London's West India Docks, built in part to trade in slave-harvested goods from the Caribbean.

     


    There have also been calls to remove statues dedicated to Admiral Horatio Nelson -- who famously triumphed over Napoleon and is now memorialized atop a column in London's Trafalgar Square -- because of his opposition to the abolition of slavery.

     

    https://www.cnn.com/style/article/uk-statues-protest-movement-scli-intl-gbr/index.html

    Replies: @ThreeCranes, @Lockean Proviso

    , @Morton's toes
    @syonredux

    Did Disraeli's family make any money off slaves?

    Also wasn't England getting totally out the slave business before Gladstone was old enough to have any authority to do jack?

    Slavery abolished in Britain in 1833.
    Gladstone born in 1809.

    So between the ages of 22 and 24 he could maybe have traded two ships full of slaves at the most? There maybe weren't any 24 year-olds moving slaves by the ship-full in London in 1833.

  143. On the one hand, this blogger claims to have established that one of the various nebulous scams using the name “Black Lives Matter” (there are many and they are not necessarily related) is a front for Democratic Party fundraising (which is potentially illegal). Recall that it was established yesterday or the day before that “Black Lives Matter” incorporated in Delaware ten days after the big losing election and well after BLM was a thing.
    On the other hand, can the Democrats /GreenBacksMatter people legally argue something like “it’s not a lie, it’s puffery,” ie, surely anyone giving money to any permutation of BLM is likely to be a Democrat?
    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/exclusive-donations-including-international-funding-blacklivesmatter-com-go-directly-dnc-money-laundering/

  144. @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    It don't matter: FLOYD-20 has already achieved immortality.

    #IcantbreathecuzIhaveadiaperonmyface

    Replies: @Trinity, @22pp22

    I hereby acknowledge that you were 100% correct in your assessment of Covid-19 being an exercise in mass hysteria.

    • Agree: J.Ross
    • Replies: @Change that Matters
    @22pp22

    Saw this today re: Covid-19 deaths in Nepal.

    Deaths from the virus: 15

    Suicides during lockdown: 1,105

    More people committed suicide per day during the lockdown than have died so far from the virus.

    , @HA
    @22pp22

    "I hereby acknowledge that you were 100% correct in your assessment of Covid-19 being an exercise in mass hysteria."

    A glance at your comment history shows that you live in New Zealand, where coronavirus has basically been eliminated. So you're about as persuasive as the leftist politician who says that a belief in police protection is likewise a mass delusion born of privilege, since over at the gated compound where she lives the security guards and the shark-filled moat are more than enough to ensure that break-ins are rare.

    In other news, the man behind Sweden's lax coronavirus strategy now admits that he'd do things more like "the rest of the world" given how it all played out. I realize the Sweden bros will just brush that off, but even so, I find his admission a lot more substantive than yours.

  145. @JimB
    @JimDandy


    And what if the cop being held on 1 Million dollar bond broke no law and used only departmentally-approved procedures and was not the cause of St. Floyd’s death? And is found not-guilty?
     
    To avoid being lynched, he'll need to move to Russia, where people have a rude tendency to notice the truth.

    Replies: @Neuday

    He can do what Mark Fuhrman did and move to Idaho. I might invite him to my militia meeting.

  146. @syonredux
    Meanwhile, in the UK:

    University will rename student halls named after former Prime Minister William Gladstone
    Students stressed the former Liberal Prime Minister's family links to slaveholding in a letter to the university of Liverpool's Vice Chancellor
     

    Gladstone's father, the merchant John Gladstone, was one of the largest slaveholders in the West Indies, owning more than 2,500 at the time of the abolition of slavery.
     

    The letter also criticised Gladstone for advocating the interests of West Indian planters over "the freedom of slaves that he and his father financially relied upon", and called for the hall to be renamed as a "show of solidarity in the rejection of Black oppression."
     
    https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/university-rename-student-halls-named-18387566

    Replies: @syonredux, @Morton's toes

    Britain’s imperialist monuments face a bitter reckoning amid Black Lives Matter protests

    On Tuesday, the Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, announced a commission to examine the future of landmarks around the UK capital, including murals, street art, street names and statues.
    The Commission for Diversity in the Public Realm is aimed at improving “diversity across London’s public realm, to ensure the capital’s landmarks suitably reflect London’s achievements and diversity.

    In Edinburgh, a statue of the 18th-century Scottish philosopher David Hume was adorned with a placard quoting his views on white superiority.
    Hume is considered one of the foremost thinIkers of the Scottish Enlightenment, and his bronze statue sits on Edinburgh’s Royal Mile, the main thoroughfare of the city’s Old Town.

    But Hume’s reputation has become tarnished in recent years, with increased focus on his views on race. The sign left on the statue features a line from Hume’s essay “Of National Characters” saying that he “is apt to to suspect the negroes … to be naturally inferior to the whites.”

    A statue of Scottish politician Henry Dundas stands atop the Melville Monument in the city of Edinburgh.
    Dundas, who held a number of government positions, including Home Secretary, is known for supporting the delay of the abolition of slavery towards the end of the 18th century.
    The monument was graffitied during Sunday’s protests, and an online petition is now calling for Dundas’ statue to be removed, and for the streets named in his honor to be renamed.
    Campaigners are instead recommending that the streets be named after Scottish-Jamaican slave Joseph Knight, who successfully freed himself in the courts by proving that Scots law did not recognize slavery.

    On Monday, Edinburgh authorities announced that a plaque will be added to the monument highlighting the city’s history of slavery.
    A meeting will be held with experts and historians “with a view to agreeing a new form of words as quickly as possible,” said Edinburgh city official Adam McVey in a statement.
    “We need to take action as a city now to tackle racism and that includes acknowledging the involvement of some of our city’s historical figures in the slave trade and the failure to abolish it sooner.”

    Elsewhere, a statue of Scottish merchant and slave-owner Robert Milligan will be removed “as soon as possible” from the Docklands area in east London, the Canal and River Trust said in a statement Tuesday.
    The statue is currently located outside the Museum of London Docklands. Milligan, born in 1746, was the driving force behind the construction of London’s West India Docks, built in part to trade in slave-harvested goods from the Caribbean.

    There have also been calls to remove statues dedicated to Admiral Horatio Nelson — who famously triumphed over Napoleon and is now memorialized atop a column in London’s Trafalgar Square — because of his opposition to the abolition of slavery.

    https://www.cnn.com/style/article/uk-statues-protest-movement-scli-intl-gbr/index.html

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    @syonredux

    First they beg to be let in.

    Then they ask for acceptance.

    Next they insist on being treated as equals.

    The they triumphantly dismantle our cultural icons.

    And finally demand reparations.

    , @Lockean Proviso
    @syonredux

    Churchill, Hume, Nelson, and Gladstone: far greater than any tawdry little opportunist who builds nothing and wants to destroy what they can never attain. They use the values developed by the West and the West alone against its own past, dishonestly ignoring so much achievement as they define these figures by anachronistic mores.

    These cultural Marxists hate the West's history because it repudiates their impossibly utopian theories. After they tear down everything on the road to Wakanda, what will they do when they realize that it was merely a Hollywood fantasy for stupid, gullible people? They will be ruled by chaos.

  147. @Paul
    Al Sharpton is speaking now at the funeral. Will he launch any additional verbal attacks on Asians and Jews (favorite targets of his)?

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Buffalo Joe, @J.Ross

    Sharpton’s opportunistic anti-Semitism in New York was a tribalist turf war, a function of the unique position and number of Jews in New York and of Sharpton being a non-Jewish New Yorker set against them. Insofar as recognizable Jews played any role here (and we may as well grant the claims of some that Jews played no role at all) they wouldn’t work as Sharpton’s target.
    Of course, it would also be nice if the same opprobrium which attaches to Sharpton’s anti-Semitism were to show up for his vile racist calumniation of Gentile whites, but that ain’t happenin.

  148. @Corvinus
    @TelfoedJohn

    "The same thing is happening with Floyd – most people just don’t know about his COVID-19, fentanyl use, criminal record threatening a pregnant woman etc."

    People do realize those things, and in the end that is irrelevant to what happened to him. What matters most is Floyd was subjected to a police tactic for nine minutes that is helped to contribute to his demise. Do you agree or disagree that the police were justified in employing that technique for that length of time? Why?

    Just for the record (checks notes from one of the posters here who is an ambulance chaser), Chauvin attempted a restraint where he put weight of his knee on the point of a suspect’s jaw, which impedes blood flow to the brain. Why didn't he and his buddies choose to prop up Floyd on the pavement after subduing him and thrown in the back of a squad car and haul him back to the station, rather than put him in that submission hold aka Hulk Hogan?

    To my knowledge, Mr. Sailer has yet to definitively state whether the police should refrain from using this technique because it is a cruel Jewish tactic, or just cruel.

    And, Mr. Sailer, that sawbuck you placed in the till at your local church this past Sunday won't cover the statement you made in relation to the title of this post. Perhaps you are miffed at your pastor because he wouldn't let you put your NOTICING skills to the test for your congregation.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Lars Porsena, @Anon, @fish

    People do realize those things….

    No they don’t. The crowd is populated by morons! Even if they did there will be nothing that interferes with the canonization of St. George of Floyd.

    You are correct though that the restraint tactic was and is grossly in excess of what was required.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @fish

    "No they don’t. The crowd is populated by morons!"

    No, you grossly underestimate the organizing ability of the protestors as well as their thoughts on the issues.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @fish

  149. @JohnnyWalker123
    Remember that show they made in which Gary Coleman comes back as an angel?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ET9fSmoans

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @njguy73

    Holy crap. I thought I was the only one who remembered that.

  150. @George
    I don't see the point in mocking Floyd, he is not being set up as a saint. Why exactly was he handcuffed and while face down sat upon by 4 cops for 8 minutes until he died? What was the plan if he did not die in 8 minutes, sit on him for 15 min a half hour?

    The event was kind of ancient.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crushing_(execution)

    Actual Catholic Saint martyred by crushing
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Clitherow

    Replies: @fish, @Lurker, @FPD72

    I don’t see the point in mocking Floyd, he is not being set up as a saint.

    Yes….he is! Not his fault though.

  151. But what if George Floyd doesn’t rise from the dead on the third day?

    I don’t see a problem here. I mean, Emmett Till rises from the dead every thirty days or so, but there has to be some sort of mechanisn at work such as Godwin’s Law except the more times St. Emmett is revealed, the less effective his sainthood becomes. Enter George to save the day and allow Emmett to lie fallow.

    It could be called LaQuashon’s Law.

  152. @Buffalo Joe
    @Paul

    Paul, he pulled the NFL and Roger Goodell out off his ass.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @Reg Cæsar

    Roger’s father was the Rockefeller Republican US Senator – Enough Said (apple and all that falling business!).

  153. @Buffalo Joe
    @Paul

    Paul, he pulled the NFL and Roger Goodell out off his ass.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @Reg Cæsar

    Paul, he pulled the NFL and Roger Goodell out off his ass.

    Dad Charles gave us the gift of Jim Buckley in the Senate.

    Were you near the elder Goodell’s disrict? In the House, he represented his constituents, in the Senate, he represented the Rockefellers.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    @Reg Cæsar

    Charles Goodell was a conservative congressman when Nelson Rockefeller appointed him to Bobby Kennedy's Senate seat in 1968. Goodell went to the left on the assumption this was the way to election in his own right in 1970.

    The New York Conservative Party ran James Buckley, WFB's brother. Most New York Republicans went to Buckley due to Goodell's leftward stance. The Democratic Senate nominee, Richard Ottinger, was rich, plenty of TV ads. Charles Goodell sank in the polls to a distant third.

    It looked like Ottinger would win a three-way race. The Nixon White House sent VP Spiro Agnew to New York State to attack Goodell as "the Christine Jorgensen of the Republican Party."

    Whereupon, many liberals who had gone to Ottinger went back to Goodell, enabling James Buckley to win.

  154. @Mr. Anon
    @Reg Cæsar


    “First time tragedy, second time, farce.”
     
    Marx's old aphorism needs to be updated for the current year - to better reflect the absolute clown-world reality we now live in.

    History repeats itself: the first time as farce, the second time as Tijuana donkey-show.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Marx’s old aphorism needs to be updated for the current year – to better reflect the absolute clown-world reality we now live in.

    The civil rights movement was the tragedy. The women’s movement was the farce. The gay rights movement was the burlesque.

    The trans rights movement is the Adam Sandler feature film.

    • LOL: Bubba
  155. Len says:

    I fear Steve has put a target on my beloved San Diego.

    I am therefore retreating to the Donut shop.

    George Floyd: I can’t breathe.

    Pink Floyd: Breathe

    For long you live and high you fly
    But only if you ride the tide
    And balanced on the biggest wave
    You race towards an early grave

  156. @Mr. Anon
    @Dave Pinsen

    Nonsense. Blacks victimizing whites seldom if ever makes national news.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Reg Cæsar

    Where did I say anything about the news? Blacks victimizing whites is interesting to red pilled whites; that the media obscures it is a different point.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    @Dave Pinsen

    "Blacks victimizing whites is interesting to red pilled whites; that the media obscures it is a different point."

    This has to be made the MAIN point.

  157. @Erik Sieven
    @bigdicknick

    By the way I wonder whether there is one single country in the world where in the last 50 years in sum more subsaharan African people have been killed by non-subsaharan Africans than the other way round.

    Replies: @Alfa158

    Maybe Libya during the uprising? It was pretty chaotic and therefore hard to tell precisely what was going on, but the general impression is that there was a violent purging and expulsion of a lot of the Sub-Saharan Africans who had entered the country during the Kadaffi regime.

  158. What matters most is Floyd was subjected to a police tactic for nine minutes that is helped to contribute to his demise.

    No, no, no, no, no.

    If this were just about generic police brutality, excessive use of force, etc., you might find a lot of agreement around here.

    “What matters most” here is the question of racism. The death of this ne’er-do-well is being treated by everybody on the “left” as emblematic of systemic racism – even though all available evidence suggests that, all else being equal, the police, on average, treat white suspects at least as badly, and quite possibly worse, than they treat black suspects.

    Please, I beg you. Try to understand that point.

  159. @Reg Cæsar
    @Buffalo Joe


    Paul, he pulled the NFL and Roger Goodell out off his ass.
     
    Dad Charles gave us the gift of Jim Buckley in the Senate.

    Were you near the elder Goodell's disrict? In the House, he represented his constituents, in the Senate, he represented the Rockefellers.

    Replies: @David In TN

    Charles Goodell was a conservative congressman when Nelson Rockefeller appointed him to Bobby Kennedy’s Senate seat in 1968. Goodell went to the left on the assumption this was the way to election in his own right in 1970.

    The New York Conservative Party ran James Buckley, WFB’s brother. Most New York Republicans went to Buckley due to Goodell’s leftward stance. The Democratic Senate nominee, Richard Ottinger, was rich, plenty of TV ads. Charles Goodell sank in the polls to a distant third.

    It looked like Ottinger would win a three-way race. The Nixon White House sent VP Spiro Agnew to New York State to attack Goodell as “the Christine Jorgensen of the Republican Party.”

    Whereupon, many liberals who had gone to Ottinger went back to Goodell, enabling James Buckley to win.

  160. I wonder how long it will be before someone proposes a George Floyd statue?

  161. @Paul
    How come none of the murder victims -- even those with no criminal record unlike George Floyd -- on Chicago's South Side get a funeral send-off quite like that of George? Why the double standard?

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @SunBakedSuburb, @TontoBubbaGoldstein, @anonymous1963

    How come Tony Timpa didn’t get a send off like George Floyd?

    “White Privilege”, I suppose.

  162. Does anyone else get the sense that white conservatives are psychologically defeated now? If these riots and overt anti-white sentiment were happening a few years ago, there would have been a lot of impotent tough talk about “when we white people finally people get fed up, they will pay.” I’m seeing little of that kind of sentiment. Instead, I’m seeing conservatives in despair, not even contemplating fighting back. Many are countering the anti-white rhetoric with delusional predictions about Trump getting a huge increase in black votes and general “Democrats are the real racists” tomfoolery. How can any white conservative man still be at the DR3 level of understanding after recent events?

  163. @Peter Johnson
    The state-funded Irish t.v. news channel cancelled all its normal programming this afternoon in order to show Saint George Floyd's Texas funeral in full.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @Matra, @Forbes, @Alden, @Reg Cæsar, @Amerimutt Golems, @anonymous1963, @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo

    The state-funded Irish t.v. news channel cancelled all its normal programming this afternoon in order to show Saint George Floyd’s Texas funeral in full.

    Celtic solidarity. Floyd is a Welsh surname, after all.

  164. @The Wild Geese Howard
    @El Dato

    Protests are probably the best way for young women to meet Chads at this time.

    Replies: @El Dato

    Quite. The mindless but maoist/leninist/spontaneist fucking during May ’68 was tremendous. You can bet Black Lives seriously matter at this very moment at the UCLA commune.

    Meanwhile, coastel twitter elites discover the backwoods:

    https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/times-watchdog/protesters-and-armed-self-declared-protectors-underscore-divides-in-snohomish/

    Devin Burghart, executive director of the Institute for Research & Education on Human Rights, which tracks far-right movements, said the response in many rural areas to false threats have been troubling and chilling, especially for communities of color. Gatherings like the ones in Snohomish also could prove consequential.

    “Part of the problem is people are thinking this is another good-old-boy activity. But it’s become a breeding ground for far-right groups to look for additional recruits,” he said. “Some local elected officials have been rightly concerned about the dangers of these untrained, unelected, unaccountable right-wingers with guns in their communities. Others have embraced them. I think that is dangerous on a number of levels.”

    A photo on Twitter from downtown Snohomish last week showed two men appearing to flash the “OK” hand gesture associated with white supremacist groups. Both had pepper spray in tactical belts and one wore a ballistic vest that had “Proud Boy” across the top, referring to the far-right group of men who describe themselves as “Western chauvinists” and are known for brawling at rallies.

    “As a person of color, and there aren’t many of us here, it’s really scary,” said Mahllie Beck, a 21-year-old who has been protesting.

    etc. etc. etc. Confederate flags were spotted and it’s disgusting.

    And so:

    Police chief ousted for backing ‘gun-toting’ vigilantes who defended small town from alleged ‘Antifa threat’

  165. @Dan Hayes
    @Peter Johnson

    Was this RTE extravaganza moderated by Ireland's own half-Hindu sodomite Teoasuch?

    If so, it would be entirely appropriate and consistent with modern-day Ireland and its woke populace.

    Replies: @Lurker

    Hindu nuffin.

    • Thanks: Dan Hayes
  166. @Paul Jolliffe
    @JimDandy

    I asked that a couple of days ago and one of the replies mentioned the case is currently scheduled (?) to conclude just before the election.

    If so, and if Chauvin is acquitted, there will be a fired-up Democratic turnout.

    Remember, the one and only concrete step “good whites” can take to demonstrate their “anti-racism” is to vote for Joe Biden.

    The protests/ marches/calls for justice are all political theater to ensure that Trump is not re-elected.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Wilkey

    I asked that a couple of days ago and one of the replies mentioned the case is currently scheduled (?) to conclude just before the election. If so, and if Chauvin is acquitted, there will be a fired-up Democratic turnout.

    It seems the rare criminal case, especially for murder or manslaughter, that is concluded in only five months, unless there’s a plea bargain. Hell, some murder cases take years. Prosecutors like to get all their ducks in a row first.

    If they do get a verdict in under five months you’ll know the system was rigged, top to bottom.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  167. @George
    I don't see the point in mocking Floyd, he is not being set up as a saint. Why exactly was he handcuffed and while face down sat upon by 4 cops for 8 minutes until he died? What was the plan if he did not die in 8 minutes, sit on him for 15 min a half hour?

    The event was kind of ancient.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crushing_(execution)

    Actual Catholic Saint martyred by crushing
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Clitherow

    Replies: @fish, @Lurker, @FPD72

    But he is being set up as a saint.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    @Lurker

    In life, real saints are, as a rule, rather unpopular with the powers that be and the makers of popular opinion. George Floyd is the opposite.

    As I mentioned up-thread, this is the crowd shouting "Give us Barabbas," as the crowd always does.

  168. @syonredux
    Meanwhile, in the UK:

    University will rename student halls named after former Prime Minister William Gladstone
    Students stressed the former Liberal Prime Minister's family links to slaveholding in a letter to the university of Liverpool's Vice Chancellor
     

    Gladstone's father, the merchant John Gladstone, was one of the largest slaveholders in the West Indies, owning more than 2,500 at the time of the abolition of slavery.
     

    The letter also criticised Gladstone for advocating the interests of West Indian planters over "the freedom of slaves that he and his father financially relied upon", and called for the hall to be renamed as a "show of solidarity in the rejection of Black oppression."
     
    https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/university-rename-student-halls-named-18387566

    Replies: @syonredux, @Morton's toes

    Did Disraeli’s family make any money off slaves?

    Also wasn’t England getting totally out the slave business before Gladstone was old enough to have any authority to do jack?

    Slavery abolished in Britain in 1833.
    Gladstone born in 1809.

    So between the ages of 22 and 24 he could maybe have traded two ships full of slaves at the most? There maybe weren’t any 24 year-olds moving slaves by the ship-full in London in 1833.

  169. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:

    The Detroitization of Minneapolis has begun…

  170. @Lurker
    @George

    But he is being set up as a saint.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    In life, real saints are, as a rule, rather unpopular with the powers that be and the makers of popular opinion. George Floyd is the opposite.

    As I mentioned up-thread, this is the crowd shouting “Give us Barabbas,” as the crowd always does.

  171. @Stan Adams
    @Corvinus

    An ex-convict drug addict died of a heart attack while resisting arrest. It happens.

    Maybe the cop got a little overzealous, and maybe he deserves to be found guilty of some crime or another. That's up to a jury of his peers. It would be nice if the man got a fair trial, but I'm not overly optimistic about his chances.

    But I do believe that this gnarly sprawling clusterfuck of media-driven Soros-funded mass hysteria is a big steaming furious ball of nothing. Some second-rate burglar suffers cardiac arrest in police custody and the entire Western world goes apeshit. What gives?

    I haven't shed one tear for George Floyd, and I never will. If hysterical cucks want to bawl their eyes out over his passing, that's their privilege. I don't care. I just want to go back to the halcyon days when all we had to worry about was finding toilet paper.

    Corona-chan, where are you when we need you? All is forgiven! Come back so our fearless leaders can drive the malcontents into their dingy little apartments!

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “An ex-convict drug addict died of a heart attack while resisting arrest. It happens.”

    Try again.

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-two-autopsies-of-george-floyd-arent-as-different-as-they-seem/

    Maybe the cop got a little overzealous, and maybe he deserves to be found guilty of some crime or another. That’s up to a jury of his peers. It would be nice if the man got a fair trial, but I’m not overly optimistic about his chances.”

    Indeed, but the video evidence is compelling.

    “But I do believe that this gnarly sprawling clusterfuck of media-driven Soros-funded mass hysteria”

    What you are giving here is an assertion, not fact. You’re going to have provide specific evidence.

    “Some second-rate burglar suffers cardiac arrest in police custody and the entire Western world goes apeshit.”

    It’s more than that. Perhaps you require a primer on the matter?

    I haven’t shed one tear for George Floyd, and I never will. If hysterical cucks want to bawl their eyes out over his passing, that’s their privilege. I don’t care. I just want to go back to the halcyon days when all we had to worry about was finding toilet paper.

    Corona-chan, where are you when we need you? All is forgiven! Come back so our fearless leaders can drive the malcontents into their dingy little apartments!

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Corvinus


    Perhaps you require a primer on the matter?
     
    You seem to have confused me with someone who cares.

    The particulars of this case are immaterial. The bottom line is that, once again, blacks are ginning up a racial controversy to demand more freebies from whites. Section 8 and EBT aren't enough; now they want carte blanche to raid the Apple Store without interference from the police. They want UBI and free healthcare and guaranteed acceptance into the best colleges and well-paid diversity sinecures at major corporations. They're already getting all of these things, to some extent, but they're still not satisfied.

    Over the last several decades, we've pissed away trillions of dollars on these people. We've mortgaged our future to try to bring them into the present. And we've accomplished nothing. Our efforts have been a colossal waste of time, money, energy, and national vitality.

    No matter how much we give them, it's still not enough. It'll never be enough. Give an inch and they demand a mile; give a mile and they demand a continent; give a continent and they demand a solar system. It will never end.

    "More!" they scream. "More, more, more, more!"

    And what do we get out of it? Rap and sportsball.

    You're not going to wring any more sympathy out of me, Corvy. Go ahead and denounce me all you want. I'm done engaging with fringers and cucks.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Corvinus


    What you are giving here is an assertion, not fact. You’re going to have provide specific evidence.
     
    Oh, shut up, you contemptible ass-clown. You never provide specific evidence.

    It’s more than that. Perhaps you require a primer on the matter?
     
    No, the World is going apeshit over the death of a f**k-up. That is exactly what's happening, idiot.
  172. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kronos
    @SafeNow

    That porno he was in should be added to the African American Museum in D.C.

    https://www.senenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/capture_censored-2-696x391.jpg

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Kronos

    Even as a porn perfomer Floyd wasn’t impressive at all. He’s not that big for a black man-most white male porn stars have more than he’s got. And he doesn’t know anything about camera angles or presenting the action in a cinematic way. He just goes at it like a horny drunken teenager.

    You can tell he’s just a low IQ, typical underclass negro doofus.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Anonymous


    Even as a porn perfomer Floyd wasn’t impressive at all.
     
    Agreed. His stature versus his lack of stamina and inability to keep it up with a fairly attractive young woman was a giveaway he was a steroid abuser in poor cardiovascular health.

    Replies: @Kronos, @Anonymous

  173. @Altai
    Just found this, from Vancouver.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f4/Black_Lives_Matter%2C_Anti-racism_rally_at_Vancouver_Art_Gallery_%2849957866563%29_%28cropped%29.jpg

    The shirt reads: 'Please give me space. I am diabetic and more susceptable to Covid-19'

    Nothing can come between a pretty blonde W.E.I.R.D. girl and her virtue signalling for social media.

    Replies: @Alden

    BLM stands for Black Looting Matters.

  174. @fish
    @Corvinus


    People do realize those things....
     
    No they don't. The crowd is populated by morons! Even if they did there will be nothing that interferes with the canonization of St. George of Floyd.

    You are correct though that the restraint tactic was and is grossly in excess of what was required.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “No they don’t. The crowd is populated by morons!”

    No, you grossly underestimate the organizing ability of the protestors as well as their thoughts on the issues.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Corvinus


    No, you grossly underestimate the organizing ability of the protestors as well as their thoughts on the issues.
     
    Exactly. It was all planned out in advance. They knew precisely which buildings would go down and in which order. There wasn't a speck of spontaneity about any of it. All they needed was a cue.

    Art Deco recently chided me for overestimating the skill involved in arson. That's a valid point about a postwar liquor store, but not for the 21st-century police station across the street. It took pros to empty and destroy that.

    But at least you recognize conspiracy in action.

    My question is how did the insurgents know in advance that the station would be abandoned? They must have moles. A fifth column in the Third Precinct.

    People here criticize the mayor's decision. But what evidence is there that it was the mayor's?

    Replies: @Neil Templeton

    , @fish
    @Corvinus


    No, you grossly underestimate the organizing ability of the protestors as well as their thoughts on the issues.
     
    You'll forgive me if I'm not terribly impressed by this Flash Mob writ large! You can always coax the urban underclass out for a little unauthorized "shopping".

    The organization abilities of the ANTIFA types similarly doesn't impress me.....the skill of it! The audacity .....perhaps a bit....but let's be honest they're playing on their home field.
  175. @Reg Cæsar
    @epebble


    Don’t forget St. Rodney King too, the martyr of 1992.
     
    King actually did deserve our symphathy. Not for his beating, which he richly deserved, but for the fact that every job he was remotely qualified for was given to a Mexican Guatemalan Salvadoran.

    Floyd himself was a victim of the lockdown.

    Replies: @Alden

    As soon as he finished his last prison sentence King was given a well paid secure job as a Dodger Stadium grounds keeper. It’s a decades long California state program forcing large employers to give jobs to parolees

    Half the black men who work hospital food, janitor, security guard patient transport central supply jobs are parolees.

  176. @Anon
    New video of George Floyd clearly high and resisting arrest.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=x4ABfJCw9Ls

    Replies: @Redman, @Buffalo Joe, @Rich, @donut

    The editing of the tape, the attempt at hiding his past criminal record and drug intoxication, the crazed propaganda, all leading to looting, assaulting and murders, just to defeat Trump? This insanity is proof that no sane person should ever vote for a democrat again. The repubs are far from perfect, but the dems are certifiably insane.

  177. @bigdicknick
    @Dave Pinsen

    very true which is why the herpaderp more blacks are killed by blacks is a dumb argument. Even Heather MacDonald talks about that which is silly.

    The smart argument is "why don't we talk about black on white crime?" each year blacks murder more whites than vice versa and there are way fewer blacks. So the black-on-white murder rate is like 8x the reverse. In other categories like say, rape it's probably like 30-40x or something.

    Replies: @Paul, @Erik Sieven, @Charon, @Alden, @bigdicknick

    Agree. I hate the weeping that blacks kill each other. Why not at least acknowledge black on White crime.

    Who cares what they do to each other.

  178. @Peter Johnson
    The state-funded Irish t.v. news channel cancelled all its normal programming this afternoon in order to show Saint George Floyd's Texas funeral in full.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @Matra, @Forbes, @Alden, @Reg Cæsar, @Amerimutt Golems, @anonymous1963, @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo

    The state-funded Irish t.v. news channel cancelled all its normal programming this afternoon in order to show Saint George Floyd’s Texas funeral in full.

    Paddies will soon be wearing slave collars like the idiotic Sassenach.

  179. @DextersLabRat
    @Jake

    Exactly. Hitler is the devil. And Holocaust Jews, 60s feminists and the drag queen who threw a rock at police at Stonewall are the apostles.

    Replies: @Oswald Spengler, @Dr. X

    And who is the Holy Ghost in the new Woke religion?

  180. @Anonymous
    Well, at least we still have a new kind of 'black friday'.

    Replies: @Pat Boyle

    I’m pretty smart, not as smart as Steve of course but I have my moments. In the last few days I have been changing my opinion of the George Floyd affair. I have noticed that I often come to my opinions earlier than the general public. I can’t really predict the future but I seem to get to what becomes the accepted truth just a little faster than the public as a whole. I think my opinion about George Floyd will come to be the commonly held position. 180 degrees from the current public opinion.

    When I first saw the videos of him being murdered by the white cops I was like everyone else – outraged. But after a more sober consideration I began to alter my views. Floyd was of course a criminal or at least a criminal suspect. We have never heard just why he was being arrested but we do know he was full of opiates. In the canonization of this street criminal it is not considered fitting to mention his failings. The way these things are presented to the public the black victim’s transgressions are never mentioned. So Freddie Gray in the black riot in Baltimore was a known habitual dope peddler. He poisoned the people and children of his neighborhood and the police tried to stop him. He had been killed inadvertently by a mixture of black and white cops but he was treated as a the visitation of some sort of holy man. A Christ like figure.

    George Floyd seems to be being treated in much the same way. I have lost sympathy for Floyd and I think many white people will soon do so to. The situation with blacks is different. They are earger to sanctify his every action.

    The central problem is that blacks are a criminal race and that’s not going to change. It won’t change because it is a genetic characteristic not something that has come about through some environmental happening like slavery or historical racial prejudice. When people begin to realize that truth they will realize that our culture is ill equiped to deal with the outrageously high levels of black crime.

    Al Sharpton can rant and rabble rouse as much as he wishes but the science is clear – criminals have lower IQ’s. East Asians have the highest IQ’s of the continental races and the lowest violent crime rates both in Asia and in America. Blacks are criminals everywhere. That is not a coincidence. We have known the almost perfect correspondence between the racial incidence of the MAOA 2 repeat gene and the violent crime rate. This startling fact has been suppressed but will come to light because it is objective fact. The story of the genetics of blacks will emerge sooner or later. It has been lied about and ignored but in a world of mass communications it cannot be hidden forever. The truth will leak out. Good people of good will fear this because they fear the political consequences. They fear that bad white guys (Trump supporters) will launch some kind of “Back To Africa” movement or genocide program if the public ever finds out the truth. Until we are brave enough to accept the reality that blacks are violent because of their genetics and not their history of being oppressed then we will continue to have these riots like clockwork. I don’t know what happens when America wakes up to the findings of scientists and geneticists but I know it is coming.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Pat Boyle


    We have never heard just why he was being arrested
     
    He was arrested for passing a counterfeit $20 bill. It was a crime but not a major crime.

    The idiot cop held his knee on Floyd's jaw for several minutes after Floyd stopped breathing. His idiot rookie cop buddies just stood there while Floyd died. They were idiots AND Floyd was trash. The two are not mutually exclusive. It was a comedy of errors. After they finally noticed that Floyd was no longer "resisting" they checked for a pulse and there was none.

    This is the way the world ends
    This is the way the world ends
    This is the way the world ends
    Not with a bang but with a whimper.

    Replies: @Neil Templeton, @Hibernian

    , @usNthem
    @Pat Boyle

    Good to see you back, Pat. Hope you’re doing well.

    , @Ahem
    @Pat Boyle

    "This startling fact has been suppressed but will come to light because it is objective fact. The story of the genetics of blacks will emerge sooner or later. It has been lied about and ignored but in a world of mass communications it cannot be hidden forever. The truth will leak out."

    This cannot possibly happen unless and until an American version of Lucius Cornelius Sulla, with the help of his legions, sends the current pack of sniveling, kneeling Senators, governors and mayors packing.

  181. Kang George of H-Town.

  182. @tyrone
    What! he's being buried ,they could have spent the whole summer and fall taking the casket around America,city to city …..wait! ,AN INTERNATIONAL TOUR!!!! opportunity lost:(

    Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian

    Well, yeah! Maybe somewhere his casket could be being crowd surfed on the hands of the hysterical mourners and, just like what happened with Ayatollah Khomeini, the body could fall out of the casket. That was a good time.

  183. @Corvinus
    @Stan Adams

    "An ex-convict drug addict died of a heart attack while resisting arrest. It happens."

    Try again.

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-two-autopsies-of-george-floyd-arent-as-different-as-they-seem/

    Maybe the cop got a little overzealous, and maybe he deserves to be found guilty of some crime or another. That’s up to a jury of his peers. It would be nice if the man got a fair trial, but I’m not overly optimistic about his chances."

    Indeed, but the video evidence is compelling.

    "But I do believe that this gnarly sprawling clusterfuck of media-driven Soros-funded mass hysteria"

    What you are giving here is an assertion, not fact. You're going to have provide specific evidence.

    "Some second-rate burglar suffers cardiac arrest in police custody and the entire Western world goes apeshit."

    It's more than that. Perhaps you require a primer on the matter?

    I haven’t shed one tear for George Floyd, and I never will. If hysterical cucks want to bawl their eyes out over his passing, that’s their privilege. I don’t care. I just want to go back to the halcyon days when all we had to worry about was finding toilet paper.

    Corona-chan, where are you when we need you? All is forgiven! Come back so our fearless leaders can drive the malcontents into their dingy little apartments!

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Mr. Anon

    Perhaps you require a primer on the matter?

    You seem to have confused me with someone who cares.

    The particulars of this case are immaterial. The bottom line is that, once again, blacks are ginning up a racial controversy to demand more freebies from whites. Section 8 and EBT aren’t enough; now they want carte blanche to raid the Apple Store without interference from the police. They want UBI and free healthcare and guaranteed acceptance into the best colleges and well-paid diversity sinecures at major corporations. They’re already getting all of these things, to some extent, but they’re still not satisfied.

    Over the last several decades, we’ve pissed away trillions of dollars on these people. We’ve mortgaged our future to try to bring them into the present. And we’ve accomplished nothing. Our efforts have been a colossal waste of time, money, energy, and national vitality.

    No matter how much we give them, it’s still not enough. It’ll never be enough. Give an inch and they demand a mile; give a mile and they demand a continent; give a continent and they demand a solar system. It will never end.

    “More!” they scream. “More, more, more, more!”

    And what do we get out of it? Rap and sportsball.

    You’re not going to wring any more sympathy out of me, Corvy. Go ahead and denounce me all you want. I’m done engaging with fringers and cucks.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Stan Adams

    "You seem to have confused me with someone who cares."

    That was a given a long time ago.

    "The particulars of this case are immaterial."

    Actually, the specifics are quite relevant.

    "The bottom line is that, once again, blacks are ginning up a racial controversy to demand more freebies from whites."

    That is Fake News.

  184. @Mr. Anon
    @Dave Pinsen

    Nonsense. Blacks victimizing whites seldom if ever makes national news.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Reg Cæsar

    Blacks victimizing whites seldom if ever makes national news.

    Everyday life is, by definition, not news.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    @Reg Cæsar

    "Everyday life is, bu definition, not news."

    The MSM and Company promote the lie that whites victimizing blacks is "everyday life."

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Reg Cæsar


    Everyday life is, by definition, not news.
     
    Habitual criminal / drug addicts dying while resisting arrest is everyday life in the Hood.

    And yet, here we are.
  185. @22pp22
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    I hereby acknowledge that you were 100% correct in your assessment of Covid-19 being an exercise in mass hysteria.

    Replies: @Change that Matters, @HA

    Saw this today re: Covid-19 deaths in Nepal.

    Deaths from the virus: 15

    Suicides during lockdown: 1,105

    More people committed suicide per day during the lockdown than have died so far from the virus.

  186. @DextersLabRat
    @Jake

    Exactly. Hitler is the devil. And Holocaust Jews, 60s feminists and the drag queen who threw a rock at police at Stonewall are the apostles.

    Replies: @Oswald Spengler, @Dr. X

    Exactly. Hitler is the devil. And Holocaust Jews, 60s feminists and the drag queen who threw a rock at police at Stonewall are the apostles.

    And anal, weed and abortion are the holy sacraments.

  187. @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Magic Dirt Resident

    Some are speculating Ellison has escalated the charges knowing that it will be impossible for a jury to convict the officer under the required burden of proof, thus leading to an acquittal and even more rioting and chaos.

    That's kind of 4-D chess territory, but it's so evil I can't completely discount it.

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @DextersLabRat, @Forbes, @Charon, @Fat tub of lard

    Nope, that’s just regular chess. That’s just thinking one step ahead.

    The more unrest the better, so you charge people when you know the case won’t stand up, then when it falls over you can tell people, “See, the system stinks!”

    Forget “escalating” charges. Most of these cases celebre should never have been charged in the first place. And weren’t, for exactly that reason. The pattern is this:

    * Black guy gets justifiably killed by white/Hispanic/Asian guy/policeman
    * Local police/courts have a look, find it justifiable, take no further action
    * Higher powers lie about it through media proxies: “black guy got killed egregiously unjustifiably by definitely white guy, and local police/courts didn’t charge him because of institutional racism!”
    * Riots, protests, political pressure
    * Higher powers force murder charge
    * Murder charge doesn’t hold up
    * More riots, protests, political pressure
    * Institutional racism is thus proven to exist, justifying whatever higher powers have in mind to ostensibly remedy it – usually their re-election, but also bribes to friends under the guise of “community support programs” and such like, and the taking over of local police departments, prosecutor’s offices, courts, etc

  188. Anonymous[107] • Disclaimer says:

    The reason Social Careerist Warriors are taking off isn’t that much based on the demise of a wayward paper-passer in Minneapolis, or even BLM Roadshow. That is simply the pre-formatted certified media outrage unit to keep the gang together. It has a lot more to do with the Essential Bourgeoisie’s grand display of power mounted during March through May this year. The most prestigious factory owners, i.e. university administrators don’t even have the noblesse oblige to re-open their schools in the fall. This is some real Marie Antoinette crap.

    So, certain members of the remnant/lumpen classes are anxious to join the Essentials and goose along the arson/pillage, which doesn’t make sense if you swallow cornball Heritage Foundation mantras about everybody dreaming of managing their own Niketown franchise, when clearly there’s no future in that, in this country.

  189. @SafeNow
    It’s small consolation, but he’ll still be Time magazine’s Person of the Year.

    Replies: @Kronos, @Justvisiting, @Jim Given

    Really? George Floyd will beat out The Prophet, Dr. Anthony Fauci, whose unerring judgement brought us through the Plague?

    I’d like to shake his hand-

  190. @Corvinus
    @fish

    "No they don’t. The crowd is populated by morons!"

    No, you grossly underestimate the organizing ability of the protestors as well as their thoughts on the issues.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @fish

    No, you grossly underestimate the organizing ability of the protestors as well as their thoughts on the issues.

    Exactly. It was all planned out in advance. They knew precisely which buildings would go down and in which order. There wasn’t a speck of spontaneity about any of it. All they needed was a cue.

    Art Deco recently chided me for overestimating the skill involved in arson. That’s a valid point about a postwar liquor store, but not for the 21st-century police station across the street. It took pros to empty and destroy that.

    But at least you recognize conspiracy in action.

    My question is how did the insurgents know in advance that the station would be abandoned? They must have moles. A fifth column in the Third Precinct.

    People here criticize the mayor’s decision. But what evidence is there that it was the mayor’s?

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    @Reg Cæsar

    Et tu, Brute? I am lost. My compass has wandered.

    Replies: @donut, @Reg Cæsar

  191. @George
    I don't see the point in mocking Floyd, he is not being set up as a saint. Why exactly was he handcuffed and while face down sat upon by 4 cops for 8 minutes until he died? What was the plan if he did not die in 8 minutes, sit on him for 15 min a half hour?

    The event was kind of ancient.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crushing_(execution)

    Actual Catholic Saint martyred by crushing
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Clitherow

    Replies: @fish, @Lurker, @FPD72

    I don’t see the point in mocking Floyd, he is not being set up as a saint.

    Did you see the funeral? His painting, sporting wings on his back and a halo over his head, with a hagiography for a eulogy. Almost as reverential as The Apotheosis of Washington in the Capitol Rotunda.

  192. There’s rumors on the internet that the donations to Black Looters Matter are going to the DNC. Wouldn’t be surprised.

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @Alden

    >>There’s rumors on the internet that the donations to Black Looters Matter are going to the DNC. Wouldn’t be surprised.<<

    Like most such rumors, it is likely false. Or mostly. The BLM moniker is legally very vague in many cases, so it is possible that the Dems or some subset have taken advantage. But there are legal limits and reporting requirements for contributions to official political parties and their subsidiaries.

    That being said, this is a great topic. My recent hunch is that with all of the Floyd mania there is also a lot of online (mostly) fundraising attached. Some of it is claimed to be for bail, legal defense, etc. and I suspect much of it is GoFundMe type operations. So what oversight is there for that?

    Zero.

    As a former auditor I can safely predict that most of the funds donated (to many outstretched hands) will be siphoned off, scammed, skimmed, or outright looted. This is common in non profit fund drives even when carefully watched. For ad hoc political stuff, it is open season.

    I have no idea of the racial composition of who ends up with the money. Some will go for actual bail or lawyers, legal stuff. Much more will be skimmed. If I were a crook I'd be setting up my BLM front donation site right now. Eventually in some of this there will be publicized outrage over the racketeering, but that is years away. If ever (though someone will find something too bad to totally overlook). Some outraged SJW will wonder what happened with his bail donation.

  193. @Pat Boyle
    @Anonymous

    I'm pretty smart, not as smart as Steve of course but I have my moments. In the last few days I have been changing my opinion of the George Floyd affair. I have noticed that I often come to my opinions earlier than the general public. I can't really predict the future but I seem to get to what becomes the accepted truth just a little faster than the public as a whole. I think my opinion about George Floyd will come to be the commonly held position. 180 degrees from the current public opinion.

    When I first saw the videos of him being murdered by the white cops I was like everyone else - outraged. But after a more sober consideration I began to alter my views. Floyd was of course a criminal or at least a criminal suspect. We have never heard just why he was being arrested but we do know he was full of opiates. In the canonization of this street criminal it is not considered fitting to mention his failings. The way these things are presented to the public the black victim's transgressions are never mentioned. So Freddie Gray in the black riot in Baltimore was a known habitual dope peddler. He poisoned the people and children of his neighborhood and the police tried to stop him. He had been killed inadvertently by a mixture of black and white cops but he was treated as a the visitation of some sort of holy man. A Christ like figure.

    George Floyd seems to be being treated in much the same way. I have lost sympathy for Floyd and I think many white people will soon do so to. The situation with blacks is different. They are earger to sanctify his every action.

    The central problem is that blacks are a criminal race and that's not going to change. It won't change because it is a genetic characteristic not something that has come about through some environmental happening like slavery or historical racial prejudice. When people begin to realize that truth they will realize that our culture is ill equiped to deal with the outrageously high levels of black crime.

    Al Sharpton can rant and rabble rouse as much as he wishes but the science is clear - criminals have lower IQ's. East Asians have the highest IQ's of the continental races and the lowest violent crime rates both in Asia and in America. Blacks are criminals everywhere. That is not a coincidence. We have known the almost perfect correspondence between the racial incidence of the MAOA 2 repeat gene and the violent crime rate. This startling fact has been suppressed but will come to light because it is objective fact. The story of the genetics of blacks will emerge sooner or later. It has been lied about and ignored but in a world of mass communications it cannot be hidden forever. The truth will leak out. Good people of good will fear this because they fear the political consequences. They fear that bad white guys (Trump supporters) will launch some kind of "Back To Africa" movement or genocide program if the public ever finds out the truth. Until we are brave enough to accept the reality that blacks are violent because of their genetics and not their history of being oppressed then we will continue to have these riots like clockwork. I don't know what happens when America wakes up to the findings of scientists and geneticists but I know it is coming.

    Replies: @Jack D, @usNthem, @Ahem

    We have never heard just why he was being arrested

    He was arrested for passing a counterfeit $20 bill. It was a crime but not a major crime.

    The idiot cop held his knee on Floyd’s jaw for several minutes after Floyd stopped breathing. His idiot rookie cop buddies just stood there while Floyd died. They were idiots AND Floyd was trash. The two are not mutually exclusive. It was a comedy of errors. After they finally noticed that Floyd was no longer “resisting” they checked for a pulse and there was none.

    This is the way the world ends
    This is the way the world ends
    This is the way the world ends
    Not with a bang but with a whimper.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    @Jack D


    It was a comedy of errors.
     
    As you know Jack, if an event has probability greater than zero, it will likely happen, given time. First question: Should we reform the law, or no? Second question: Is the world upside down?
    , @Hibernian
    @Jack D


    He was arrested for passing a counterfeit $20 bill. It was a crime but not a major crime.
     
    A person who passes a counterfeit bill may be a victim himself, or an accomplice. If he's an accomplice he's probably passed other counterfeit bills and likely has some additional ones in his possession. Resisting arrest seems to be evidence of consciousness of guilt. Granted, innocent people will be angry, but they're more likely to continually protest their innocence than fight back.

    Replies: @epebble, @Jack D

  194. @Reg Cæsar
    @Mr. Anon


    Blacks victimizing whites seldom if ever makes national news.
     
    Everyday life is, by definition, not news.

    Replies: @David In TN, @Mr. Anon

    “Everyday life is, bu definition, not news.”

    The MSM and Company promote the lie that whites victimizing blacks is “everyday life.”

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @David In TN


    The MSM and Company promote the lie that whites victimizing blacks is “everyday life.”
     
    Ah, but their actions speak oppositely. We have to make the most of this.

    They admit we're right.

    Look at it this way-- Jesse Dirkhising's rape and murder wasn't national news because it was everyday homo life. Matthew Shepard's killing was so unusual that it was reported around the world.

    It's the same with race. Their coverage makes our point. Unfortunately, we don't.
  195. @Dave Pinsen
    @Mr. Anon

    Where did I say anything about the news? Blacks victimizing whites is interesting to red pilled whites; that the media obscures it is a different point.

    Replies: @David In TN

    “Blacks victimizing whites is interesting to red pilled whites; that the media obscures it is a different point.”

    This has to be made the MAIN point.

  196. @Jack D
    @Pat Boyle


    We have never heard just why he was being arrested
     
    He was arrested for passing a counterfeit $20 bill. It was a crime but not a major crime.

    The idiot cop held his knee on Floyd's jaw for several minutes after Floyd stopped breathing. His idiot rookie cop buddies just stood there while Floyd died. They were idiots AND Floyd was trash. The two are not mutually exclusive. It was a comedy of errors. After they finally noticed that Floyd was no longer "resisting" they checked for a pulse and there was none.

    This is the way the world ends
    This is the way the world ends
    This is the way the world ends
    Not with a bang but with a whimper.

    Replies: @Neil Templeton, @Hibernian

    It was a comedy of errors.

    As you know Jack, if an event has probability greater than zero, it will likely happen, given time. First question: Should we reform the law, or no? Second question: Is the world upside down?

  197. @Pat Boyle
    @Anonymous

    I'm pretty smart, not as smart as Steve of course but I have my moments. In the last few days I have been changing my opinion of the George Floyd affair. I have noticed that I often come to my opinions earlier than the general public. I can't really predict the future but I seem to get to what becomes the accepted truth just a little faster than the public as a whole. I think my opinion about George Floyd will come to be the commonly held position. 180 degrees from the current public opinion.

    When I first saw the videos of him being murdered by the white cops I was like everyone else - outraged. But after a more sober consideration I began to alter my views. Floyd was of course a criminal or at least a criminal suspect. We have never heard just why he was being arrested but we do know he was full of opiates. In the canonization of this street criminal it is not considered fitting to mention his failings. The way these things are presented to the public the black victim's transgressions are never mentioned. So Freddie Gray in the black riot in Baltimore was a known habitual dope peddler. He poisoned the people and children of his neighborhood and the police tried to stop him. He had been killed inadvertently by a mixture of black and white cops but he was treated as a the visitation of some sort of holy man. A Christ like figure.

    George Floyd seems to be being treated in much the same way. I have lost sympathy for Floyd and I think many white people will soon do so to. The situation with blacks is different. They are earger to sanctify his every action.

    The central problem is that blacks are a criminal race and that's not going to change. It won't change because it is a genetic characteristic not something that has come about through some environmental happening like slavery or historical racial prejudice. When people begin to realize that truth they will realize that our culture is ill equiped to deal with the outrageously high levels of black crime.

    Al Sharpton can rant and rabble rouse as much as he wishes but the science is clear - criminals have lower IQ's. East Asians have the highest IQ's of the continental races and the lowest violent crime rates both in Asia and in America. Blacks are criminals everywhere. That is not a coincidence. We have known the almost perfect correspondence between the racial incidence of the MAOA 2 repeat gene and the violent crime rate. This startling fact has been suppressed but will come to light because it is objective fact. The story of the genetics of blacks will emerge sooner or later. It has been lied about and ignored but in a world of mass communications it cannot be hidden forever. The truth will leak out. Good people of good will fear this because they fear the political consequences. They fear that bad white guys (Trump supporters) will launch some kind of "Back To Africa" movement or genocide program if the public ever finds out the truth. Until we are brave enough to accept the reality that blacks are violent because of their genetics and not their history of being oppressed then we will continue to have these riots like clockwork. I don't know what happens when America wakes up to the findings of scientists and geneticists but I know it is coming.

    Replies: @Jack D, @usNthem, @Ahem

    Good to see you back, Pat. Hope you’re doing well.

  198. @Reg Cæsar
    @Corvinus


    No, you grossly underestimate the organizing ability of the protestors as well as their thoughts on the issues.
     
    Exactly. It was all planned out in advance. They knew precisely which buildings would go down and in which order. There wasn't a speck of spontaneity about any of it. All they needed was a cue.

    Art Deco recently chided me for overestimating the skill involved in arson. That's a valid point about a postwar liquor store, but not for the 21st-century police station across the street. It took pros to empty and destroy that.

    But at least you recognize conspiracy in action.

    My question is how did the insurgents know in advance that the station would be abandoned? They must have moles. A fifth column in the Third Precinct.

    People here criticize the mayor's decision. But what evidence is there that it was the mayor's?

    Replies: @Neil Templeton

    Et tu, Brute? I am lost. My compass has wandered.

    • Replies: @donut
    @Neil Templeton

    Not just yours :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OStKs-e_zc

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Neil Templeton


    Et tu, Brute? I am lost. My compass has wandered.
     
    The Crow said the protesters were capable of organization. I merely said, "Hell, yes!" It's called elaboration.

    That was too much damage in too many places all too soon for it to be spontaneous. Who holds the baton?
  199. Anon[169] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    I read a criticism of Heather Mac Donald’s WSJ piece that ended up having to make an argument that official crime statistics are unreliable. So in the end the writer could not support either side of the argument, since she had cut the floor out from under herself.

    But she went on to say that the real problem is the underrepresentation of blacks on the police force. Really? This didn’t seem right to me. In investigating it I found a cool data source for municipal police force demographics:

    https://www.governing.com/gov-data/safety-justice/police-department-officer-demographics-minority-representation.html

    If you choose from a couple of hundred major cites you get the racial breakdown for that city’s police force.

    In general, blacks are overrepresented relative to the municipal population. The worst cases seem to be representation at only half to two thirds of the population.

    [MORE]

    From other sources I know that the average cop has an IQ of 100. If you run a normal distribution area calculation for people with IQs from, say, 93 to 107 (about a standard deviation range) using both black and white IQ data you get blacks represented at about two thirds the number of whites in that range. So hiring solely on the basis of cognitive ability would give you two-thirds of what proportional representation would give you.

    Two other factors come into play: criminal records (relevant to a law enforcement career) and the fact that blacks fall mostly at the lower range of the 93 to 107 range (and forces may like to have as many officers as possible in the mid range or higher range, per smart fraction theory: lower IQ functionaries are more prone to corruption and misconduct). So even proportional representation seems biased in favor of blacks.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    @Anon

    "I read a criticism of Heather MacDonald's WSJ piece that ended up having to make an argument that official crime stats are unreliable."

    So official crime stats are "unreliable." What's next, Reality is unreliable?

    By the way, disbelieving the crime stats has long been a standard apologia for black crime.

    Replies: @bigdicknick

  200. anon[462] • Disclaimer says:

    Steve, you need to speak out about this. A mob is trying to get an economics professor (Harold Uhlig) fired for a 3 year old blog post in which he analysed Charlottesville and did not come to the conclusion that the “White Nationalists” were literally Hitler.
    Blog post:
    http://haralduhlig.blogspot.com/2017/08/charlottesville-vs-nazi-germany.html
    Econ professor’s twitter:

    Main guy stirring up the mob to get Uhlig fired:

  201. Beyond the pale . . . .

  202. I have been wondering why CPR was not immediately attempted when Floyd stopped resisting and did not have a pulse. The lawyer for one of the other policemen said his client showed compassion by using CPR in the ambulance. But why wait?! Regarding Covid risk: The new, simplified CPR method uses chest compressions only. The superior method is still to intersperse per a formula chest compressions with mouth breathing. Okay, even if you know the superior method, don”t use it …but start chest-only right away. (- CA Ocean Lifeguard, Ret.)

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @SafeNow


    I have been wondering why CPR was not immediately attempted when Floyd stopped resisting and did not have a pulse.
     
    Direct your question to the EMTs who appeared on the scene and loaded him into an ambulance.
  203. @Anonymous Jew
    Since when did any religion require verifiable evidence?

    Only the religious mind can so easily dispense with facts (eg Whites more likely to be killed by police when corrected for crime rates/interactions; HBD etc).

    I’ve never been too keen on the Bible thumpers, but in hindsight they don’t seem so bad at all. I’d rather be told I’m going to hell than have my job threatened because I said something “racist” - which nowadays is anything right of center regarding the Sacred Black Bodies).

    Replies: @TomSchmidt, @neprof, @Anon, @Harry Baldwin

    I’ve never been too keen on the Bible thumpers, but in hindsight they don’t seem so bad at all.
    I think the original Inquisition was more forgiving than our current one.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Harry Baldwin


    I think the original Inquisition was more forgiving than our current one.
     
    It did give us the presumption of innocence.

    It was nice while it lasted.
    , @Grahamsno(G64)
    @Harry Baldwin


    I think the original Inquisition was more forgiving than our current one.
     
    Really being set on fire was better than getting fired?

    Replies: @Gordo

  204. @Ed
    If he had died of an overdose, his family would be hard pressed to get him cremated. Gets killed by a white cop, gets a state funeral in 3 states, a GOP governor claiming his death will transform America, a building in Ghana dedicated to him and now a sports building in Houston too.

    People have gone crazy. This guy had kids who didn’t even know what he looked like.

    Replies: @bomag

    People have gone crazy

    Indeed.

    I’m wondering if we’ll soon have queues for purple kool-aid.

  205. @David In TN
    @Reg Cæsar

    "Everyday life is, bu definition, not news."

    The MSM and Company promote the lie that whites victimizing blacks is "everyday life."

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The MSM and Company promote the lie that whites victimizing blacks is “everyday life.”

    Ah, but their actions speak oppositely. We have to make the most of this.

    They admit we’re right.

    Look at it this way– Jesse Dirkhising’s rape and murder wasn’t national news because it was everyday homo life. Matthew Shepard’s killing was so unusual that it was reported around the world.

    It’s the same with race. Their coverage makes our point. Unfortunately, we don’t.

  206. • Replies: @Lugash
    @Mr. Anon

    Just retire Drew. Do your part to kill off the NFL.

    At this point, it's guaranteed the NFL will require players to kneel during the national anthem. They'll probably make the fans, guests of honor and the refs kneel as well.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

  207. @Reg Cæsar
    @Mr. Anon


    Blacks victimizing whites seldom if ever makes national news.
     
    Everyday life is, by definition, not news.

    Replies: @David In TN, @Mr. Anon

    Everyday life is, by definition, not news.

    Habitual criminal / drug addicts dying while resisting arrest is everyday life in the Hood.

    And yet, here we are.

  208. @Corvinus
    @Stan Adams

    "An ex-convict drug addict died of a heart attack while resisting arrest. It happens."

    Try again.

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-two-autopsies-of-george-floyd-arent-as-different-as-they-seem/

    Maybe the cop got a little overzealous, and maybe he deserves to be found guilty of some crime or another. That’s up to a jury of his peers. It would be nice if the man got a fair trial, but I’m not overly optimistic about his chances."

    Indeed, but the video evidence is compelling.

    "But I do believe that this gnarly sprawling clusterfuck of media-driven Soros-funded mass hysteria"

    What you are giving here is an assertion, not fact. You're going to have provide specific evidence.

    "Some second-rate burglar suffers cardiac arrest in police custody and the entire Western world goes apeshit."

    It's more than that. Perhaps you require a primer on the matter?

    I haven’t shed one tear for George Floyd, and I never will. If hysterical cucks want to bawl their eyes out over his passing, that’s their privilege. I don’t care. I just want to go back to the halcyon days when all we had to worry about was finding toilet paper.

    Corona-chan, where are you when we need you? All is forgiven! Come back so our fearless leaders can drive the malcontents into their dingy little apartments!

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Mr. Anon

    What you are giving here is an assertion, not fact. You’re going to have provide specific evidence.

    Oh, shut up, you contemptible ass-clown. You never provide specific evidence.

    It’s more than that. Perhaps you require a primer on the matter?

    No, the World is going apeshit over the death of a f**k-up. That is exactly what’s happening, idiot.

  209. @Kronos
    @SafeNow

    That porno he was in should be added to the African American Museum in D.C.

    https://www.senenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/capture_censored-2-696x391.jpg

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Kronos

    It’s a pity he didn’t have a porno background in breathplay. Otherwise, he would’ve learned how to conserve air and outlast the dom (the cop.)

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @Kronos

    Hmmm...

    The family guy video didn’t post.

    https://youtu.be/G2SDZZiETgM

  210. @TelfoedJohn
    Anyone who remembers Rodney King will know that the real ruckus didn’t happen till after the not guilty verdict. People were surprised at the verdict, because all they had seen (over and over and over) was a few seconds of a videotape. The same thing is happening with Floyd - most people just don’t know about his COVID-19, fentanyl use, criminal record threatening a pregnant woman etc. So a not guilty verdict for the policeman will ‘prove racism’ and set off the inferno. The pressure will be great to find him guilty though.

    Replies: @Muggles, @Antonius, @Corvinus, @Known Fact, @Harry Baldwin, @ben tillman

    It’s ironic that the senate recently passed an anti-lynching law at the same time that riots were erupting over the death of George Floyd. The fact is, black rioters are strongly in favor of lynching. If they had their way, Officer Chauvin would be handed over to them and beaten to death or set on fire. That’s the only thing that they would regard as justice. As they see it, a trial, with the presumption of innocence, a defense attorney, rules of admissible evidence, etc, possibly resulting in a mere prison sentence, is an intolerable insult. They determined the death penalty was appropriate the instant they saw the video.

    Blacks complaining about lynching reminds me of leftists complaining about McCarthyism. It’s not a matter of principle, because it’s exactly what they do to their enemies. When it comes to such things as unfounded accusations, guilt by association, loyalty oaths, denial of employment, etc, leftists are all for them, as long as they’re in charge. It’s that it was used against them that’s the outrage.

    • Agree: ThreeCranes, Coemgen
  211. @Kronos
    @Kronos

    It’s a pity he didn’t have a porno background in breathplay. Otherwise, he would’ve learned how to conserve air and outlast the dom (the cop.)

    Replies: @Kronos

    Hmmm…

    The family guy video didn’t post.

  212. @syonredux
    @syonredux

    Britain's imperialist monuments face a bitter reckoning amid Black Lives Matter protests


    On Tuesday, the Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, announced a commission to examine the future of landmarks around the UK capital, including murals, street art, street names and statues.
    The Commission for Diversity in the Public Realm is aimed at improving "diversity across London's public realm, to ensure the capital's landmarks suitably reflect London's achievements and diversity.

     

    In Edinburgh, a statue of the 18th-century Scottish philosopher David Hume was adorned with a placard quoting his views on white superiority.
    Hume is considered one of the foremost thinIkers of the Scottish Enlightenment, and his bronze statue sits on Edinburgh's Royal Mile, the main thoroughfare of the city's Old Town.
     

    But Hume's reputation has become tarnished in recent years, with increased focus on his views on race. The sign left on the statue features a line from Hume's essay "Of National Characters" saying that he "is apt to to suspect the negroes ... to be naturally inferior to the whites."
     

    A statue of Scottish politician Henry Dundas stands atop the Melville Monument in the city of Edinburgh.
    Dundas, who held a number of government positions, including Home Secretary, is known for supporting the delay of the abolition of slavery towards the end of the 18th century.
    The monument was graffitied during Sunday's protests, and an online petition is now calling for Dundas' statue to be removed, and for the streets named in his honor to be renamed.
    Campaigners are instead recommending that the streets be named after Scottish-Jamaican slave Joseph Knight, who successfully freed himself in the courts by proving that Scots law did not recognize slavery.

     


    On Monday, Edinburgh authorities announced that a plaque will be added to the monument highlighting the city's history of slavery.
    A meeting will be held with experts and historians "with a view to agreeing a new form of words as quickly as possible," said Edinburgh city official Adam McVey in a statement.
    "We need to take action as a city now to tackle racism and that includes acknowledging the involvement of some of our city's historical figures in the slave trade and the failure to abolish it sooner."

     


    Elsewhere, a statue of Scottish merchant and slave-owner Robert Milligan will be removed "as soon as possible" from the Docklands area in east London, the Canal and River Trust said in a statement Tuesday.
    The statue is currently located outside the Museum of London Docklands. Milligan, born in 1746, was the driving force behind the construction of London's West India Docks, built in part to trade in slave-harvested goods from the Caribbean.

     


    There have also been calls to remove statues dedicated to Admiral Horatio Nelson -- who famously triumphed over Napoleon and is now memorialized atop a column in London's Trafalgar Square -- because of his opposition to the abolition of slavery.

     

    https://www.cnn.com/style/article/uk-statues-protest-movement-scli-intl-gbr/index.html

    Replies: @ThreeCranes, @Lockean Proviso

    First they beg to be let in.

    Then they ask for acceptance.

    Next they insist on being treated as equals.

    The they triumphantly dismantle our cultural icons.

    And finally demand reparations.

  213. @JimDandy
    @Paul Jolliffe

    You don't think the rioting helps Trump?

    Replies: @Cato, @ben tillman, @Paul Jolliffe

    This is why no one is smart enough to orchestrate this: acquital, riots, OH NO Trump benefits! Definitely not what the encouragers of the riots strove for.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Cato

    I don't know. Do you think Trump losing in November would help Antifa/Black lives Matter/Ocasio Cortez/etc.?

  214. • Replies: @Change that Matters
    @wren

    Councilmember Kshama Sawant Uses Key to Allow Protesters and Rioters Into Seattle City Hall

    Kshama Sawant, born Pune, India, is an "American" politician who sits on the Seattle City Council. A former software engineer, Sawant became a socialist activist and part-time economics instructor in Seattle after immigrating to the United States.

    , @Lot
    @wren

    Do they know the Amazon HQ is nearby and has a lot better stuff to self-reparation-ize? Not just a bunch of dusty file cabinets with building permit applications.

    Bezos is the world’s richest man!

  215. @Black-hole creator
    @neprof

    Not fired - suspended, it is not that easy to fire a tenured professor. But his future at UCLA is not going to be rosy.

    This is happening everywhere in academia. In my field of study, blacks are maybe 1% of the community. Yet, there is this charade going on with petitions that everybody has to sign and academic "strikes" in support of Saint Floyd. This is completely insane.

    Replies: @black sea

    The Daily Mail also has an article about this situation. Apparently, one of the points the professor made in his response to this “request” was that, as his class had been conducted online, he didn’t actually know which students were Black and which not.

    Man, it doesn’t get much more racist than that.

  216. @JimDandy
    And what if the cop being held on 1 Million dollar bond broke no law and used only departmentally-approved procedures and was not the cause of St. Floyd's death? And is found not-guilty?

    Replies: @Magic Dirt Resident, @JimB, @Paul Jolliffe, @neprof, @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo, @Redman, @Sgt. Joe Friday, @Anon7, @ConservaWhig, @Dr. X, @Alden, @Lurker, @Pop Warner, @ben tillman

    The DA is hiding the bodycam footage that shows Floyd resisting arrest. That alone is grounds for a dismissal with prejudice. That’s deliberate jury tampering by the prosecution.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @ben tillman


    The DA is hiding the bodycam footage that shows Floyd resisting arrest. That alone is grounds for a dismissal with prejudice. That’s deliberate jury tampering by the prosecution.
     
    You appear to be a lawyer. Can you offer us further perspective on what is going on? Do you think Chauvin is innocent?

    Replies: @ben tillman

  217. @TelfoedJohn
    Anyone who remembers Rodney King will know that the real ruckus didn’t happen till after the not guilty verdict. People were surprised at the verdict, because all they had seen (over and over and over) was a few seconds of a videotape. The same thing is happening with Floyd - most people just don’t know about his COVID-19, fentanyl use, criminal record threatening a pregnant woman etc. So a not guilty verdict for the policeman will ‘prove racism’ and set off the inferno. The pressure will be great to find him guilty though.

    Replies: @Muggles, @Antonius, @Corvinus, @Known Fact, @Harry Baldwin, @ben tillman

    Anyone who remembers Rodney King will know that the real ruckus didn’t happen till after the not guilty verdict. People were surprised at the verdict, because all they had seen (over and over and over) was a few seconds of a videotape. The same thing is happening with Floyd – most people just don’t know about his COVID-19, fentanyl use, criminal record threatening a pregnant woman etc. So a not guilty verdict for the policeman will ‘prove racism’ and set off the inferno. The pressure will be great to find him guilty though.

    The media had several minutes of footage of Rodney King acting like a monster, but they suppressed it because that’s their function.

  218. @Peter Johnson
    The state-funded Irish t.v. news channel cancelled all its normal programming this afternoon in order to show Saint George Floyd's Texas funeral in full.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @Matra, @Forbes, @Alden, @Reg Cæsar, @Amerimutt Golems, @anonymous1963, @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo

    The Irish are as crazy as the British.

    • Replies: @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo
    @anonymous1963

    Good thing Daniel O'Connell was on record being against SSSSSSLLLLLAAAVVVEERRYYYY!

  219. @JimDandy
    @Paul Jolliffe

    You don't think the rioting helps Trump?

    Replies: @Cato, @ben tillman, @Paul Jolliffe

    You don’t think the rioting helps Trump?

    The rioting? Yes. This episode overall? Hell, no. It is a disaster for him.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @ben tillman

    A situation that resulted in his opponents mobilizing to eliminate police departments is bad for Trump? I'm not so sure about that.

  220. @Paul
    How come none of the murder victims -- even those with no criminal record unlike George Floyd -- on Chicago's South Side get a funeral send-off quite like that of George? Why the double standard?

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @SunBakedSuburb, @TontoBubbaGoldstein, @anonymous1963

    No political profit and corporate shakedown. Can’t put it on evil whitey. Would challenge the narrative that saintly Negroes are being persecuted by evil whites.

  221. @Paul Mendez
    Watching the BLM protests over the past week just confirms my impression of Millennials as feckless, ADD nitwits.

    At least when Boomer black activists had a beef with authority they were organized enough to take some particular building over, appoint spokesmen, and draw up a long list of carefully crafted demands. Then hold a press conference to read their demands on camera and distribute hard copies to the print media. (And remember that gathering an angry crowd back then took a lot more work than a Facebook post or tweet.)

    Watching last week’s protests, I saw nothing more than a herd of Millennials wandering around aimlessly like they were at a music festival between bands, holding signs and chanting. Several times a local reporter asked a protester where the crowd was heading and the answer was, “I don’t know.”

    Replies: @El Dato, @Justvisiting, @anonymous1963

    Vapid idiocy.

  222. @wren
    I wonder if Seattle City Hall will last the night.

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/seattle-councilmember-city-hall-rioters/

    Replies: @Change that Matters, @Lot

    Councilmember Kshama Sawant Uses Key to Allow Protesters and Rioters Into Seattle City Hall

    Kshama Sawant, born Pune, India, is an “American” politician who sits on the Seattle City Council. A former software engineer, Sawant became a socialist activist and part-time economics instructor in Seattle after immigrating to the United States.

  223. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    Rioters should be put down hard. At the very least, make them as uncomfortable as Navy SEAL trainees on the beach at Coronado or make them breathe the same level of harmless but painful gas Marines go through in training.

    People financing and organizing these riots should be tried under RICO, or thrown out of helicopters.

    • Replies: @Coemgen
    @Anonymous

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CS_gas#United_States

  224. @Harry Baldwin
    @Anonymous Jew

    I’ve never been too keen on the Bible thumpers, but in hindsight they don’t seem so bad at all.
    I think the original Inquisition was more forgiving than our current one.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Grahamsno(G64)

    I think the original Inquisition was more forgiving than our current one.

    It did give us the presumption of innocence.

    It was nice while it lasted.

  225. @wren
    I wonder if Seattle City Hall will last the night.

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/seattle-councilmember-city-hall-rioters/

    Replies: @Change that Matters, @Lot

    Do they know the Amazon HQ is nearby and has a lot better stuff to self-reparation-ize? Not just a bunch of dusty file cabinets with building permit applications.

    Bezos is the world’s richest man!

  226. Anonymous[367] • Disclaimer says:
    @SafeNow
    I have been wondering why CPR was not immediately attempted when Floyd stopped resisting and did not have a pulse. The lawyer for one of the other policemen said his client showed compassion by using CPR in the ambulance. But why wait?! Regarding Covid risk: The new, simplified CPR method uses chest compressions only. The superior method is still to intersperse per a formula chest compressions with mouth breathing. Okay, even if you know the superior method, don”t use it ...but start chest-only right away. (- CA Ocean Lifeguard, Ret.)

    Replies: @Anonymous

    I have been wondering why CPR was not immediately attempted when Floyd stopped resisting and did not have a pulse.

    Direct your question to the EMTs who appeared on the scene and loaded him into an ambulance.

  227. Anonymous[367] • Disclaimer says:
    @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo
    @JimDandy

    I hate to say this,as my heart goes out to that poor cop,but maybe the best thing for everyone is if he were to be Epsteined.

    Replies: @J S Raggmann, @Anonymous

    I hate to say this,as my heart goes out to that poor cop,

    Why does your heart go out to him?

  228. @Peter Johnson
    The state-funded Irish t.v. news channel cancelled all its normal programming this afternoon in order to show Saint George Floyd's Texas funeral in full.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @Matra, @Forbes, @Alden, @Reg Cæsar, @Amerimutt Golems, @anonymous1963, @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo

    Dude,OUR tv broadcast that bullshit on every channel today. I wonder how many stations around the world carried it. Well,as Elon Musk says,you know who owns the media.

  229. Guess whose Web site is apparently taking an admirably neutral stance toward the Floyd/Chauvin controversy?

    The place where both men worked:

    elnuevorodeo.com/

  230. Interesting. So Jeff Bezos doxxed one of his own customers canceling his Amazon Prime account, and said he wants to lose every White and/or conservative customer.

    The Dem Governor of Kentucky is giving free health care to all Black residents but not Whites.

    Every White person must kneel and grovel before every Black person.

    Not Black person can ever be arrested or charged with a crime.

    The police are being abolished. Joe Biden has tried to say he’s against it, but BLM will have its way.

    White women are ecstatic in enacting scenes from the James Spader film “Secretary” where they kneel and crawl before Black dudes.

    Can someone please tell Parker and Stone that its time to end this episode of South Park. Please. Now.

    Honestly, I don’t know if most White men are so thoroughly cucked that they enjoy this, or seek to placate their women who really HATE HATE HATE them and want them replaced with their very own rapper. Or if its just more corporate media lies that everyone discounts like the health benefits of McDonalds or the value of Apple products or the quality of Nike.

    But it sure looks like the bitter, inevitable fruit of the 1964 Civil Rights Act — making Whites fifth class serfs in their own nation is a fait accompli. Saw bits of the funeral that would not end — just endless Blackness. Sad that no out-takes of his gonzo pornos were run. Might have unearthed some more illegitimate children.

    My guess is that most White women get a BDSM thrill out of the whole submit and crawl thing — and its fighting side of me time for most White men. There is no end to the ways in which White women are the natural and eternal enemy of White men.

  231. @ben tillman
    @JimDandy


    You don’t think the rioting helps Trump?
     
    The rioting? Yes. This episode overall? Hell, no. It is a disaster for him.

    Replies: @JimDandy

    A situation that resulted in his opponents mobilizing to eliminate police departments is bad for Trump? I’m not so sure about that.

  232. @Matra
    @Peter Johnson

    How's RTE covering the three filmed beatings (and in one case, brutal stabbing) of Irish teens by black mobs? Just kidding. I mean, Limerick is so far away from Dublin 4 why would RTE care?

    Replies: @Peter Johnson

    Were there three such recent incidents? Only one received a (very oblique) reference in the mainstream media. And even in that case the race of the attacker with the knife was never mentioned.

  233. Meanwhile not one thing has changed in RL here except a couple nights with a 9 PM curfew and people, especially blacks, going out of their way to be extra friendly. Playgrounds finally opening back up tomorrow.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Desiderius

    Update:

    Two teen black girls (With iPhones = key element) trying to talk themselves into going after my two-year-old for hitting them with a football. Openly testing manhood, as teen girls will do, but with unmistakable edge.

  234. @Cato
    @JimDandy

    This is why no one is smart enough to orchestrate this: acquital, riots, OH NO Trump benefits! Definitely not what the encouragers of the riots strove for.

    Replies: @JimDandy

    I don’t know. Do you think Trump losing in November would help Antifa/Black lives Matter/Ocasio Cortez/etc.?

  235. @Pat Boyle
    @Anonymous

    I'm pretty smart, not as smart as Steve of course but I have my moments. In the last few days I have been changing my opinion of the George Floyd affair. I have noticed that I often come to my opinions earlier than the general public. I can't really predict the future but I seem to get to what becomes the accepted truth just a little faster than the public as a whole. I think my opinion about George Floyd will come to be the commonly held position. 180 degrees from the current public opinion.

    When I first saw the videos of him being murdered by the white cops I was like everyone else - outraged. But after a more sober consideration I began to alter my views. Floyd was of course a criminal or at least a criminal suspect. We have never heard just why he was being arrested but we do know he was full of opiates. In the canonization of this street criminal it is not considered fitting to mention his failings. The way these things are presented to the public the black victim's transgressions are never mentioned. So Freddie Gray in the black riot in Baltimore was a known habitual dope peddler. He poisoned the people and children of his neighborhood and the police tried to stop him. He had been killed inadvertently by a mixture of black and white cops but he was treated as a the visitation of some sort of holy man. A Christ like figure.

    George Floyd seems to be being treated in much the same way. I have lost sympathy for Floyd and I think many white people will soon do so to. The situation with blacks is different. They are earger to sanctify his every action.

    The central problem is that blacks are a criminal race and that's not going to change. It won't change because it is a genetic characteristic not something that has come about through some environmental happening like slavery or historical racial prejudice. When people begin to realize that truth they will realize that our culture is ill equiped to deal with the outrageously high levels of black crime.

    Al Sharpton can rant and rabble rouse as much as he wishes but the science is clear - criminals have lower IQ's. East Asians have the highest IQ's of the continental races and the lowest violent crime rates both in Asia and in America. Blacks are criminals everywhere. That is not a coincidence. We have known the almost perfect correspondence between the racial incidence of the MAOA 2 repeat gene and the violent crime rate. This startling fact has been suppressed but will come to light because it is objective fact. The story of the genetics of blacks will emerge sooner or later. It has been lied about and ignored but in a world of mass communications it cannot be hidden forever. The truth will leak out. Good people of good will fear this because they fear the political consequences. They fear that bad white guys (Trump supporters) will launch some kind of "Back To Africa" movement or genocide program if the public ever finds out the truth. Until we are brave enough to accept the reality that blacks are violent because of their genetics and not their history of being oppressed then we will continue to have these riots like clockwork. I don't know what happens when America wakes up to the findings of scientists and geneticists but I know it is coming.

    Replies: @Jack D, @usNthem, @Ahem

    “This startling fact has been suppressed but will come to light because it is objective fact. The story of the genetics of blacks will emerge sooner or later. It has been lied about and ignored but in a world of mass communications it cannot be hidden forever. The truth will leak out.”

    This cannot possibly happen unless and until an American version of Lucius Cornelius Sulla, with the help of his legions, sends the current pack of sniveling, kneeling Senators, governors and mayors packing.

  236. @Anon
    New video of George Floyd clearly high and resisting arrest.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=x4ABfJCw9Ls

    Replies: @Redman, @Buffalo Joe, @Rich, @donut

    FWIW when I was at JHH I was very impressed with the way security handled problem patients . You rarely needed them but when you did they were very impressive , obviously excellent training , never escalating a situation and of course not armed . And pretty much the same group of people the police deal with .
    When there was a city prisoner on the floor he would be hand cuffed to the bed with a cop in the room . Once a prisoner handcuffed to the bed one ankle and one wrist managed to get the guards gun and murdered him . I suspect the cop dozed off , I can’t blame him I used to dread having to relieve a sitter in the middle of the night .

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/officer-shot-by-fleeing-inmate-dies/

    Now they have two cops in the room .

  237. Dying in America: George Floyd’s state funeral in Texas:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8404101/George-Floyds-funeral-procession-heads-cemetery.html#comments

    As usual, the DM’s commenters are mostly imbeciles.

    Why is he inevitably referred to as a “Gentle Giant”. He was a bouncer in a night club. To say nothing of the armed robbery.

    • Replies: @J S Raggmann
    @Mr. Anon

    I prefer "Gentle Home Invader". The original Gentle Giant should have been "Gentle Swisher Sweet Smoker", "Gentle QuickieMart Robber", or "Gentle Pajeet Choker".

  238. @anonymous1963
    @Peter Johnson

    The Irish are as crazy as the British.

    Replies: @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo

    Good thing Daniel O’Connell was on record being against SSSSSSLLLLLAAAVVVEERRYYYY!

  239. @Mr. Anon
    Babylon Bee: Drew Brees Sets New NFL Record For Number Of Apologies

    https://babylonbee.com/news/drew-brees-sets-new-nfl-record-for-number-of-apologies?utm_content=buffer6ed5e&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

    Replies: @Lugash

    Just retire Drew. Do your part to kill off the NFL.

    At this point, it’s guaranteed the NFL will require players to kneel during the national anthem. They’ll probably make the fans, guests of honor and the refs kneel as well.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Lugash

    We've got a really interesting test coming up when the NFL begins their season.

    On the one hand, American sports fans, overwhelmingly male, still majority white, have been deprived of watching and following sports more or less since the Superbowl. Many of them are no doubt extremely eager to get back into their sports groove.

    But on the other hand, the NFL is signalling already that Things Will Be Different this year, with the race narrative front and center.

    So for non-BIPOC-qualifying fans, will the desire to snuggle back into the cozy cocoon of fandom stifle their revulsion at being told over and over and over that they're irredeemable racist deplorables?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Justvisiting

  240. @Lugash
    @Mr. Anon

    Just retire Drew. Do your part to kill off the NFL.

    At this point, it's guaranteed the NFL will require players to kneel during the national anthem. They'll probably make the fans, guests of honor and the refs kneel as well.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    We’ve got a really interesting test coming up when the NFL begins their season.

    On the one hand, American sports fans, overwhelmingly male, still majority white, have been deprived of watching and following sports more or less since the Superbowl. Many of them are no doubt extremely eager to get back into their sports groove.

    But on the other hand, the NFL is signalling already that Things Will Be Different this year, with the race narrative front and center.

    So for non-BIPOC-qualifying fans, will the desire to snuggle back into the cozy cocoon of fandom stifle their revulsion at being told over and over and over that they’re irredeemable racist deplorables?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Perhaps we can persuade MLB that the designated hitter, the pointless divisions, the bogus "playoffs", and the bogus "interleague" play are racist, and we can have real baseball again. A sport worth watching.

    , @Justvisiting
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    The NFL will assure all fans that if they kneel to St. Floyd before each game, that will give them immunity to the CV.

    It's science!

  241. Anonymous[367] • Disclaimer says:
    @Redman
    @JimDandy

    Exactly. I have been discussing that very possibility with a liberal lawyer friend of mine. He admits that based on the evidence we've seen, it seems that (1) the three other officers should be acquitted, and (2) Chauvin should be acquitted of intentional homicide.

    I don't know if MN law allows a lesser included charge like manslaughter, which would have been the more obvious charge if this case were brought by the DA in NY. If not, Chauvin could be exonerated completely. Then what happens?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    He admits that based on the evidence we’ve seen, it seems that (1) the three other officers should be acquitted, and (2) Chauvin should be acquitted of intentional homicide.

    What is his reasoning?

  242. @Not Only Wrathful
    Cartoonish white supremacist types wouldn't have written the script more callously:

    "Here, black people, worship George Floyd! Sure, white people get statesmen, inventors, philosophers and artists but you guys get a petty criminal, welfare-subsisted drug addict with a mean streak."

    Nice one progs, the totality of your compassion and understanding is on full display...

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @Lockean Proviso

    Maybe a statue of St. George of Houston can replace Robert E. Lee in Richmond on Monument Avenue. It would go well with Kehinde Wiley’s “Rumor of War” statue there, a rendition of a black dude of apparently similar character and deserved fame:

    https://www.richmond.com/news/local/williams-400-years-of-history-doesnt-sweep-away-with-rumors-of-war-unveiling-in-richmond/article_06db8228-8f3c-5dec-ac76-991f6661af39.amp.html

    Perhaps the war that is rumored is a race war. The stock market is doing well!

  243. Anonymous[367] • Disclaimer says:
    @ben tillman
    @JimDandy

    The DA is hiding the bodycam footage that shows Floyd resisting arrest. That alone is grounds for a dismissal with prejudice. That's deliberate jury tampering by the prosecution.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    The DA is hiding the bodycam footage that shows Floyd resisting arrest. That alone is grounds for a dismissal with prejudice. That’s deliberate jury tampering by the prosecution.

    You appear to be a lawyer. Can you offer us further perspective on what is going on? Do you think Chauvin is innocent?

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Anonymous

    Ordinarily, it would be really hard to prove causation in a case like this. How do you prove Chauvin's actions caused the death when it so easily could have been the drugs or a heart attack?

  244. @peterike
    Biden inadvertently hilarious.

    https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1270414386927206400

    Replies: @Lockean Proviso

    He’s thinking ‘if only Uncle Joe could squeeze her shoulder, bury his nose in her afro, maybe pat her bottom if nobody’s looking too closely…’

  245. @Neil Templeton
    @Reg Cæsar

    Et tu, Brute? I am lost. My compass has wandered.

    Replies: @donut, @Reg Cæsar

    Not just yours :

  246. @Neil Templeton
    @Reg Cæsar

    Et tu, Brute? I am lost. My compass has wandered.

    Replies: @donut, @Reg Cæsar

    Et tu, Brute? I am lost. My compass has wandered.

    The Crow said the protesters were capable of organization. I merely said, “Hell, yes!” It’s called elaboration.

    That was too much damage in too many places all too soon for it to be spontaneous. Who holds the baton?

  247. @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Lugash

    We've got a really interesting test coming up when the NFL begins their season.

    On the one hand, American sports fans, overwhelmingly male, still majority white, have been deprived of watching and following sports more or less since the Superbowl. Many of them are no doubt extremely eager to get back into their sports groove.

    But on the other hand, the NFL is signalling already that Things Will Be Different this year, with the race narrative front and center.

    So for non-BIPOC-qualifying fans, will the desire to snuggle back into the cozy cocoon of fandom stifle their revulsion at being told over and over and over that they're irredeemable racist deplorables?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Justvisiting

    Perhaps we can persuade MLB that the designated hitter, the pointless divisions, the bogus “playoffs”, and the bogus “interleague” play are racist, and we can have real baseball again. A sport worth watching.

  248. @Anonymous
    Rioters should be put down hard. At the very least, make them as uncomfortable as Navy SEAL trainees on the beach at Coronado or make them breathe the same level of harmless but painful gas Marines go through in training.

    People financing and organizing these riots should be tried under RICO, or thrown out of helicopters.

    Replies: @Coemgen

  249. @Jack D
    @Pat Boyle


    We have never heard just why he was being arrested
     
    He was arrested for passing a counterfeit $20 bill. It was a crime but not a major crime.

    The idiot cop held his knee on Floyd's jaw for several minutes after Floyd stopped breathing. His idiot rookie cop buddies just stood there while Floyd died. They were idiots AND Floyd was trash. The two are not mutually exclusive. It was a comedy of errors. After they finally noticed that Floyd was no longer "resisting" they checked for a pulse and there was none.

    This is the way the world ends
    This is the way the world ends
    This is the way the world ends
    Not with a bang but with a whimper.

    Replies: @Neil Templeton, @Hibernian

    He was arrested for passing a counterfeit $20 bill. It was a crime but not a major crime.

    A person who passes a counterfeit bill may be a victim himself, or an accomplice. If he’s an accomplice he’s probably passed other counterfeit bills and likely has some additional ones in his possession. Resisting arrest seems to be evidence of consciousness of guilt. Granted, innocent people will be angry, but they’re more likely to continually protest their innocence than fight back.

    • Replies: @epebble
    @Hibernian

    There is news today that they had some workplace related animosity. Floyd was not unknown to Chauvin. He might have used the opportunity to exact some revenge that went too far. So, the reality may be it was workplace violence by proxy.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/george-floyd-derek-chauvin-nightclub-bumped-heads/

    If so, does this constitute premeditation? Is it admissible?

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @Jack D
    @Hibernian

    Floyd did not exactly resist arrest in the sense of fighting with the cops (which often happens). He just went slack and did not cooperate with being put into the police car. Since he was a pretty big fellow it was not easy to just pick him up and just throw him in the back.

  250. @neprof
    @Anonymous Jew


    I’d rather be told I’m going to hell than have my job threatened because I said something “racist” – which nowadays is anything right of center regarding the Sacred Black Bodies).
     
    Doesn't take much, UCLA professor fired:

    https://freebeacon.com/latest-news/ucla-professor-under-police-protection-following-threats/

    Replies: @Black-hole creator, @Morris Applebaum IV, @Grahamsno(G64)

    The coalition of the fringes have no concept of Academic freedom or freedom of speech, you can gauge the metrics of that, it was intimately tied to freedom of conscience which flowered and took its final shape in Anglo Saxon societies. Trying to teach them something so abstract is like trying to teach a dog play chess. The academia unleashed the cultural revolution and the teachers will pay the price.

  251. @Harry Baldwin
    @Anonymous Jew

    I’ve never been too keen on the Bible thumpers, but in hindsight they don’t seem so bad at all.
    I think the original Inquisition was more forgiving than our current one.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Grahamsno(G64)

    I think the original Inquisition was more forgiving than our current one.

    Really being set on fire was better than getting fired?

    • Replies: @Gordo
    @Grahamsno(G64)


    Really being set on fire was better than getting fired?
     
    The previous inquisition usually accepted an apology for heresy, one time anyway.

    Replies: @Cortes

  252. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Magic Dirt Resident


    Then get the popcorn ready. Fwiw I think he will be found innocent.
     
    I don't know what jury pools in Minneapolis look like, but absent a change of venue he'll probably waive his right to a jury and put his trial fate in the hands of a single judge in the hopes that he gets a good draw. By "good draw," he would need someone with the courage to actually look at the evidence and measure it against the law. Another "good draw" would be a judge prone to making errors, which would create appealable issues.

    A change of venue probably means a much whiter and more conservative jury pool, which would be its own can of worms should they acquit.

    Maybe the best outcome is a conviction which rests upon some irreversible error(s) and which gets overturned by an appellate panel a year or so after the conviction.

    Replies: @Magic Dirt Resident, @Buffalo Joe, @Diversity Heretic

    Although they rarely exercise it, the prosecution also has a right to ask for a trial by jury.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Diversity Heretic

    That depends on state law, it's not a Constitutional right as it is for the defendant. There was a lot of controversy about a proposed law to give the prosecution that right, in Illinois, about 35 years ago. I think the move to do so failed, due to left wing opposition; I'm not totally sure.

  253. @TelfoedJohn
    @Reg Cæsar

    Never mind FDR - when are the woke going to topple the remaining Marx statues?
    https://twitter.com/samanrtmwrt/status/1270255709528211456

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Menschmaschine

    What he said is irrelevvant, it is always Who? Whom? – Marx was a Marxist (Duh) and, more importantly, a Jew so he is right at the pinnacle of the Woke hierarchy.

  254. @ConservaWhig
    @JimDandy

    I can't imagine Chauvin not being convicted by a judge or jury of something.

    Consciously or unconsciously, they will punish him--regardless of innocence/guilt--in order to counter the narrative that "cops are never punished for bad behavior." And to prevent America's cities from burning yet again.

    Replies: @Ed, @Ed, @Art Deco

    There’s a report out today that they were negotiating a plea deal before his arrest but it broke down. I have a hard time seeing this case going to trial, it’s not an either party’s interests.

    https://www.fox9.com/news/ex-minneapolis-police-officer-chauvin-was-in-talks-to-plead-guilty-before-arrest

  255. @ConservaWhig
    @JimDandy

    I can't imagine Chauvin not being convicted by a judge or jury of something.

    Consciously or unconsciously, they will punish him--regardless of innocence/guilt--in order to counter the narrative that "cops are never punished for bad behavior." And to prevent America's cities from burning yet again.

    Replies: @Ed, @Ed, @Art Deco

    There’s a report out today that they were negotiating a plea deal before his arrest but it broke down. I have a hard time seeing this case going to trial, it’s not an either party’s interests.

    https://www.fox9.com/news/ex-minneapolis-police-officer-chauvin-was-in-talks-to-plead-guilty-before-arrest

  256. @Anon
    OT

    I read a criticism of Heather Mac Donald’s WSJ piece that ended up having to make an argument that official crime statistics are unreliable. So in the end the writer could not support either side of the argument, since she had cut the floor out from under herself.

    But she went on to say that the real problem is the underrepresentation of blacks on the police force. Really? This didn’t seem right to me. In investigating it I found a cool data source for municipal police force demographics:

    https://www.governing.com/gov-data/safety-justice/police-department-officer-demographics-minority-representation.html

    If you choose from a couple of hundred major cites you get the racial breakdown for that city’s police force.

    In general, blacks are overrepresented relative to the municipal population. The worst cases seem to be representation at only half to two thirds of the population.

    From other sources I know that the average cop has an IQ of 100. If you run a normal distribution area calculation for people with IQs from, say, 93 to 107 (about a standard deviation range) using both black and white IQ data you get blacks represented at about two thirds the number of whites in that range. So hiring solely on the basis of cognitive ability would give you two-thirds of what proportional representation would give you.

    Two other factors come into play: criminal records (relevant to a law enforcement career) and the fact that blacks fall mostly at the lower range of the 93 to 107 range (and forces may like to have as many officers as possible in the mid range or higher range, per smart fraction theory: lower IQ functionaries are more prone to corruption and misconduct). So even proportional representation seems biased in favor of blacks.

    Replies: @David In TN

    “I read a criticism of Heather MacDonald’s WSJ piece that ended up having to make an argument that official crime stats are unreliable.”

    So official crime stats are “unreliable.” What’s next, Reality is unreliable?

    By the way, disbelieving the crime stats has long been a standard apologia for black crime.

    • Replies: @bigdicknick
    @David In TN

    yes, this is the talking point now. the data is bad because cops are always in the black neighborhoods.

  257. @syonredux
    @syonredux

    Britain's imperialist monuments face a bitter reckoning amid Black Lives Matter protests


    On Tuesday, the Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, announced a commission to examine the future of landmarks around the UK capital, including murals, street art, street names and statues.
    The Commission for Diversity in the Public Realm is aimed at improving "diversity across London's public realm, to ensure the capital's landmarks suitably reflect London's achievements and diversity.

     

    In Edinburgh, a statue of the 18th-century Scottish philosopher David Hume was adorned with a placard quoting his views on white superiority.
    Hume is considered one of the foremost thinIkers of the Scottish Enlightenment, and his bronze statue sits on Edinburgh's Royal Mile, the main thoroughfare of the city's Old Town.
     

    But Hume's reputation has become tarnished in recent years, with increased focus on his views on race. The sign left on the statue features a line from Hume's essay "Of National Characters" saying that he "is apt to to suspect the negroes ... to be naturally inferior to the whites."
     

    A statue of Scottish politician Henry Dundas stands atop the Melville Monument in the city of Edinburgh.
    Dundas, who held a number of government positions, including Home Secretary, is known for supporting the delay of the abolition of slavery towards the end of the 18th century.
    The monument was graffitied during Sunday's protests, and an online petition is now calling for Dundas' statue to be removed, and for the streets named in his honor to be renamed.
    Campaigners are instead recommending that the streets be named after Scottish-Jamaican slave Joseph Knight, who successfully freed himself in the courts by proving that Scots law did not recognize slavery.

     


    On Monday, Edinburgh authorities announced that a plaque will be added to the monument highlighting the city's history of slavery.
    A meeting will be held with experts and historians "with a view to agreeing a new form of words as quickly as possible," said Edinburgh city official Adam McVey in a statement.
    "We need to take action as a city now to tackle racism and that includes acknowledging the involvement of some of our city's historical figures in the slave trade and the failure to abolish it sooner."

     


    Elsewhere, a statue of Scottish merchant and slave-owner Robert Milligan will be removed "as soon as possible" from the Docklands area in east London, the Canal and River Trust said in a statement Tuesday.
    The statue is currently located outside the Museum of London Docklands. Milligan, born in 1746, was the driving force behind the construction of London's West India Docks, built in part to trade in slave-harvested goods from the Caribbean.

     


    There have also been calls to remove statues dedicated to Admiral Horatio Nelson -- who famously triumphed over Napoleon and is now memorialized atop a column in London's Trafalgar Square -- because of his opposition to the abolition of slavery.

     

    https://www.cnn.com/style/article/uk-statues-protest-movement-scli-intl-gbr/index.html

    Replies: @ThreeCranes, @Lockean Proviso

    Churchill, Hume, Nelson, and Gladstone: far greater than any tawdry little opportunist who builds nothing and wants to destroy what they can never attain. They use the values developed by the West and the West alone against its own past, dishonestly ignoring so much achievement as they define these figures by anachronistic mores.

    These cultural Marxists hate the West’s history because it repudiates their impossibly utopian theories. After they tear down everything on the road to Wakanda, what will they do when they realize that it was merely a Hollywood fantasy for stupid, gullible people? They will be ruled by chaos.

  258. @bigdicknick
    @Dave Pinsen

    very true which is why the herpaderp more blacks are killed by blacks is a dumb argument. Even Heather MacDonald talks about that which is silly.

    The smart argument is "why don't we talk about black on white crime?" each year blacks murder more whites than vice versa and there are way fewer blacks. So the black-on-white murder rate is like 8x the reverse. In other categories like say, rape it's probably like 30-40x or something.

    Replies: @Paul, @Erik Sieven, @Charon, @Alden, @bigdicknick

    steve why didn’t you approve my vignette about the jewish teachers at my majority minority highschool? It wasn’t any more unhinged than the rest of my comments lol.

  259. @David In TN
    @Anon

    "I read a criticism of Heather MacDonald's WSJ piece that ended up having to make an argument that official crime stats are unreliable."

    So official crime stats are "unreliable." What's next, Reality is unreliable?

    By the way, disbelieving the crime stats has long been a standard apologia for black crime.

    Replies: @bigdicknick

    yes, this is the talking point now. the data is bad because cops are always in the black neighborhoods.

  260. @Antonius
    @TelfoedJohn

    He was turning a corner. He took a speedball on the way to his space-x interview just dropped into a local shop to buy some skittles with a queer note. He will be the first Mandingo to be beatified: rumeurs abound of miraculous cures for flatulence.

    Replies: @J S Raggmann, @J S Raggmann

    Comments like yours are why I spend time on this site. Some people here, some not all, have insights and leaps of logic that would never occur to me. The first two sentences were mildly funny, repeating funny memes I have read before, but the last sentence was an unexpected home run. Keep those bon mots coming.

  261. @Antonius
    @TelfoedJohn

    He was turning a corner. He took a speedball on the way to his space-x interview just dropped into a local shop to buy some skittles with a queer note. He will be the first Mandingo to be beatified: rumeurs abound of miraculous cures for flatulence.

    Replies: @J S Raggmann, @J S Raggmann

    Inadvertant repeat.

  262. @Grahamsno(G64)
    @Harry Baldwin


    I think the original Inquisition was more forgiving than our current one.
     
    Really being set on fire was better than getting fired?

    Replies: @Gordo

    Really being set on fire was better than getting fired?

    The previous inquisition usually accepted an apology for heresy, one time anyway.

    • Replies: @Cortes
    @Gordo

    Indeed.

    Those who doubt this are invited to look for and watch the BBC2 programme in the “Timewatch” series covering the subject. Made when the BBC still produced quality documentaries on serious topics in a serious manner.

    Replies: @Cortes

  263. @JimDandy
    @Paul Jolliffe

    You don't think the rioting helps Trump?

    Replies: @Cato, @ben tillman, @Paul Jolliffe

    Jim Dandy wrote:

    “You don’t think the rioting helps Trump?”

    Riots will push some centrists to Trump, or at least they won’t vote for Biden.

    But a “not guilty” verdict will energize and mobilize enough left-leaning Dems to do something that many would not otherwise have bothered to do: actually show up on Election Day and vote!

    As Steve has noted for years, the key for Democrats is to roil up their lackluster, disorganized base sufficiently to win an election.
    Democrats actually do engage in vote fraud, but usually not on a massive scale. They want just enough fraud to get the Republicans to react so that the Democrats can then fire up their base with “Republicans are trying suppress the vote!”

    Steve has argued that has been a major tactic for Dems in the past.

    A “not guilty” verdict just before the election would have the same impact on would-be Dem voters as the old “vote suppression” claim.

    So, for vastly different reasons, would both Democrats and Republicans welcome a “not guilty” verdict in the trial of Darren Chauvin?

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Paul Jolliffe

    If it fires up both sides, a higher percentage of fired-up Republican voters will actually vote. Count on that. Less felons, weed smokers, human sloths, etc. in that camp, and more car owners. And if an acquittal leads to Part II of the violent anarchy? Trump in a landslide.

    I think that every single thing that happened in the Ferguson drama--following the initial "Hands up, Don't Shoot!" fictional narrative--hurt the Dems.

  264. @DextersLabRat
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    Or he's banking on America in full cultural revolution mode and the jury members themselves will be threatened by Antifa/BLM if they don't convict.

    Replies: @pepperinmono, @reiner Tor

    Unfortunately that’s not unlikely at all.

  265. @Mr. Anon
    Dying in America: George Floyd's state funeral in Texas:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8404101/George-Floyds-funeral-procession-heads-cemetery.html#comments

    As usual, the DM's commenters are mostly imbeciles.

    Why is he inevitably referred to as a "Gentle Giant". He was a bouncer in a night club. To say nothing of the armed robbery.

    Replies: @J S Raggmann

    I prefer “Gentle Home Invader”. The original Gentle Giant should have been “Gentle Swisher Sweet Smoker”, “Gentle QuickieMart Robber”, or “Gentle Pajeet Choker”.

  266. @Stan Adams
    @Corvinus


    Perhaps you require a primer on the matter?
     
    You seem to have confused me with someone who cares.

    The particulars of this case are immaterial. The bottom line is that, once again, blacks are ginning up a racial controversy to demand more freebies from whites. Section 8 and EBT aren't enough; now they want carte blanche to raid the Apple Store without interference from the police. They want UBI and free healthcare and guaranteed acceptance into the best colleges and well-paid diversity sinecures at major corporations. They're already getting all of these things, to some extent, but they're still not satisfied.

    Over the last several decades, we've pissed away trillions of dollars on these people. We've mortgaged our future to try to bring them into the present. And we've accomplished nothing. Our efforts have been a colossal waste of time, money, energy, and national vitality.

    No matter how much we give them, it's still not enough. It'll never be enough. Give an inch and they demand a mile; give a mile and they demand a continent; give a continent and they demand a solar system. It will never end.

    "More!" they scream. "More, more, more, more!"

    And what do we get out of it? Rap and sportsball.

    You're not going to wring any more sympathy out of me, Corvy. Go ahead and denounce me all you want. I'm done engaging with fringers and cucks.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “You seem to have confused me with someone who cares.”

    That was a given a long time ago.

    “The particulars of this case are immaterial.”

    Actually, the specifics are quite relevant.

    “The bottom line is that, once again, blacks are ginning up a racial controversy to demand more freebies from whites.”

    That is Fake News.

    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
  267. Paramount has cancelled “Cops.” I wonder what A&E will do to “Live PD?” Those shows are windows into the world of the Street. Every week, guaranteed, you could hear a perp saying “I can’t breathe,” “I dindoo nuffin,” “That’s not my crack/pipe/needle/pistol.”

  268. @jamie b.
    @TomSchmidt


    There are five possible theories...
     
    Kinda no reason to read beyond that. The task isn't to come up with a (supposedly complete) list of possibilities and choose between them. Rather, you need to determine whether the evidence (alleged eyewitness accounts) is comparable to the claim being made (people coming back from the dead).

    As an analogy, I don't need to actually explain why/how several thousand Ugandans claimed to see a talking turtle (during Idi Amin's reign.) I simply need to point out that the evidence (eye witness accounts) isn't comparable to the claim being made (a talking turtle). I cannot explain the talking turtle phenomenon, yet I'm reasonable confident that turtles don't talk.

    The burden of proof lies on those making the claim, and for very implausible claims, the bar is necessarily set very high. Lots of outrageous claims can be dismissed right from the outset this way.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt

    The major problem with the argument is that the only record of it is in the holy book of the people who believe it. Obviously there were no iPhones to record either death or a formerly dead person walking about. But there were eyewitnesses to the phenomenon, and Kreeft’s argument has to do with those people. Recall that the same book that reported on this phenomenon reported on the raising from the dead of several people by the same affiliated group.

    Now, if I were to argue against it I’d argue that the people who did not believe at the time were like a silent majority today, with nothing invested in the sanctity of Jesus didn’t bother contradicting the narrative of a small, fanatical group of believers. The fact remains that that small fanatical group of believers eventually took over the empire that had put its leader to the cross.

    • Replies: @jamie b.
    @TomSchmidt


    Obviously there were no iPhones to record either death or a formerly dead person walking about.
     
    Exactly.

    The major problem with the argument is that the only record of it is in the holy book of the people who believe it.
     
    So... because that's the only evidence available, we ought to regard it as strong?

    Recall that the same book that reported on this phenomenon reported on the raising from the dead of several people by the same affiliated group.
     
    This doesn't seem a bit circular to you? Unless we've already established that people can return to life, your observation could be taken as a good reason to doubt the veracity of the book.

    But there were eyewitnesses to the phenomenon, and Kreeft’s argument has to do with those people.
     
    Yes, and my counter-argument stands: It's not up to the skeptic to support an alternative explanation, but solely up to the believer to support their case. Mere eyewitness accounts (pretty much the weakest form of evidence) is not extraordinary enough to support the extraordinary claim.

    The fact remains that that small fanatical group of believers eventually took over the empire that had put its leader to the cross.
     
    I think that you need to flesh out the argument here. It looks to me like an appeal to consequence.

    Replies: @HA

  269. @Kratoklastes
    @TomSchmidt

    Using a story as 'evidence' of the truth of the story? Seems legit.

    Using that framework, we can say that we have evidence that Superman exists, and that he wears his undies on the outside. Also, there's a place called Bizarro World where superheroes are actually supervillains.

    We also have both textual and video proof that English kids play a weird game on flying broomsticks, and we know how Harry Potter's final confrontation with Voldemort went down, because it was recorded contemporaneously by an impartial observer.

    Otherwise J.K. Rowling must be involved in a conspiracy with the entire film and publishing industry, and it would be impossible for everyone involved to keep silent.

    And what of the marvels (lol) of Wakanda... all documented on film, which is a much more reliable medium than third-hand accounts written at least 40 years after the fact.

    These and other documents contain clear first-hand knowledge of matters that can only be known to those who were present.

    .

    It's the 21st century, and there are still people who fall for "It's written down right there! That's evidence!" Sheesh.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt, @epebble

    I found the argument interesting as an attempt at logic. The story, of course, is entirely reported in the book of the believers. I’ll take it you’re not a believer, so you’d choose theories 2 through 5 on this outrageous claim.

    Of course, I’d bet that most Jews at the time did not either know about or care about the claims of the Apostles, and so had no skin in the game, just as the internal political debates of the Slovenian governing coalition do not concern you Today. So they ignored the issue and lived their lives, while the believers convinced others. The vast majority of people today do not believe in Marxist revolution, too. Watch out for what the true believers can accomplish.

  270. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @TomSchmidt


    What do you think of the arguments in this article?
     
    Reason did not put the ideas regarding religion into the mind of Anonymous Jew. Reason will not remove them. Sadly, Anonymous Jew must swim in the Lake.

    But in this life, he is an ally.

    And we need all the allies we can get.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt

    Yes, well, I’m more and more convinced of the arguments from The Axial Age, that establishment of coinage led to the idea of rational calculation, of valuing everything as a ratio of one thing to another.

    The fact that the Greeks knew that some things could not be expressed rationally (like Pi and Phi) has not deterred the mindset of the very intelligent (or at least clever) people who ARE rational, who do see everything as numbers. They’ve been empowered by the “Information Age” infrastructure. Of course, the ability to calculate, which was a tremendous genetic advantage in previous existence, is being removed slowly by the increase in processing power: it will be a commodity, and it is becoming one now.

    Agreed on allies.

  271. @Anonymous
    @ben tillman


    The DA is hiding the bodycam footage that shows Floyd resisting arrest. That alone is grounds for a dismissal with prejudice. That’s deliberate jury tampering by the prosecution.
     
    You appear to be a lawyer. Can you offer us further perspective on what is going on? Do you think Chauvin is innocent?

    Replies: @ben tillman

    Ordinarily, it would be really hard to prove causation in a case like this. How do you prove Chauvin’s actions caused the death when it so easily could have been the drugs or a heart attack?

    • Agree: Coemgen
  272. @Hibernian
    @Jack D


    He was arrested for passing a counterfeit $20 bill. It was a crime but not a major crime.
     
    A person who passes a counterfeit bill may be a victim himself, or an accomplice. If he's an accomplice he's probably passed other counterfeit bills and likely has some additional ones in his possession. Resisting arrest seems to be evidence of consciousness of guilt. Granted, innocent people will be angry, but they're more likely to continually protest their innocence than fight back.

    Replies: @epebble, @Jack D

    There is news today that they had some workplace related animosity. Floyd was not unknown to Chauvin. He might have used the opportunity to exact some revenge that went too far. So, the reality may be it was workplace violence by proxy.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/george-floyd-derek-chauvin-nightclub-bumped-heads/

    If so, does this constitute premeditation? Is it admissible?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @epebble

    Betcha this is fiction.

    Their supervisor was adamant that the two did not work together.

    Replies: @JimDandy

  273. @Anonymous
    @Kronos

    Even as a porn perfomer Floyd wasn't impressive at all. He's not that big for a black man-most white male porn stars have more than he's got. And he doesn't know anything about camera angles or presenting the action in a cinematic way. He just goes at it like a horny drunken teenager.

    You can tell he's just a low IQ, typical underclass negro doofus.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    Even as a porn perfomer Floyd wasn’t impressive at all.

    Agreed. His stature versus his lack of stamina and inability to keep it up with a fairly attractive young woman was a giveaway he was a steroid abuser in poor cardiovascular health.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    George Floyd was never a renaissance man like Jonny Sins.

    https://youtu.be/LPh_lzR2v-k

    , @Anonymous
    @The Wild Geese Howard


    Agreed. His stature versus his lack of stamina and inability to keep it up with a fairly attractive young woman was a giveaway he was a steroid abuser in poor cardiovascular health.
     
    Does this mean that the, er, "footage" is likely to be introduced as an exhibit for the defence?

    "Now if you look closely here, your honour, you'll see..."
  274. HA says:
    @22pp22
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    I hereby acknowledge that you were 100% correct in your assessment of Covid-19 being an exercise in mass hysteria.

    Replies: @Change that Matters, @HA

    “I hereby acknowledge that you were 100% correct in your assessment of Covid-19 being an exercise in mass hysteria.”

    A glance at your comment history shows that you live in New Zealand, where coronavirus has basically been eliminated. So you’re about as persuasive as the leftist politician who says that a belief in police protection is likewise a mass delusion born of privilege, since over at the gated compound where she lives the security guards and the shark-filled moat are more than enough to ensure that break-ins are rare.

    In other news, the man behind Sweden’s lax coronavirus strategy now admits that he’d do things more like “the rest of the world” given how it all played out. I realize the Sweden bros will just brush that off, but even so, I find his admission a lot more substantive than yours.

  275. @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Lugash

    We've got a really interesting test coming up when the NFL begins their season.

    On the one hand, American sports fans, overwhelmingly male, still majority white, have been deprived of watching and following sports more or less since the Superbowl. Many of them are no doubt extremely eager to get back into their sports groove.

    But on the other hand, the NFL is signalling already that Things Will Be Different this year, with the race narrative front and center.

    So for non-BIPOC-qualifying fans, will the desire to snuggle back into the cozy cocoon of fandom stifle their revulsion at being told over and over and over that they're irredeemable racist deplorables?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Justvisiting

    The NFL will assure all fans that if they kneel to St. Floyd before each game, that will give them immunity to the CV.

    It’s science!

  276. @Hibernian
    @Jack D


    He was arrested for passing a counterfeit $20 bill. It was a crime but not a major crime.
     
    A person who passes a counterfeit bill may be a victim himself, or an accomplice. If he's an accomplice he's probably passed other counterfeit bills and likely has some additional ones in his possession. Resisting arrest seems to be evidence of consciousness of guilt. Granted, innocent people will be angry, but they're more likely to continually protest their innocence than fight back.

    Replies: @epebble, @Jack D

    Floyd did not exactly resist arrest in the sense of fighting with the cops (which often happens). He just went slack and did not cooperate with being put into the police car. Since he was a pretty big fellow it was not easy to just pick him up and just throw him in the back.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  277. George Floyd – Posthumous Nobel Peace Prize on the way… Any guess as to which Ivy league institution of higher fawning will award him his Posthumous honorary doctorate in intersectional studies first?

  278. @Sgt. Joe Friday
    @JimDandy

    An acquittal would not surprise me either. First of all, the defense is going to request (and probably get) a change of venue on grounds that the defendant can't get a fair trial in the Twin Cities area. Second, I have doubts they can make a charge of 2nd degree murder stick. Involuntary manslaughter might be the best they can get, but even that isn't a slam dunk. The defense is going to bring up at trial that the deceased was uncooperative, combative, and had to be restrained. They're going to point to Floyd's being under the influence of drugs, his underlying medical conditions, and also point out that the the compliance technique the officer used was within department policy.

    I am reminded of the Rodney King case. A friend of mine who was on the LAPD at the time said that King was belligerent and behaving in a manner consistent with PCP intoxication. The cops used their nightsticks only when nothing else was working. And oh, by the way, the two other people in the car with King were cooperative and went home unscathed.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    What I’d be interested in seeing the degree to which the local coroner and Michael Baden can be successfully impeached at trial. One of the horrors in the Freddie Gray case was that the deputy coroner who examined him was suborned somehow and made a nonsense ruling that his death was a homicide, even though there was available security camera footage demonstrating that the van he was in was operated normally throughout his time in it and even though the other passenger in the paddy wagon emerged unscathed from a different compartment therein and said Gray had been bouncing off the walls. The driver of the van had had to stop and admonish him multiple times, finally cuffing his hands and feet and laying him on the floor of the van with an instruction to remain still.

    I have a strong suspicion the ‘homicide’ ruling is rubbish and the coroner knew it when he signed it. (Baden’s a hearse chaser).

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  279. @ConservaWhig
    @JimDandy

    I can't imagine Chauvin not being convicted by a judge or jury of something.

    Consciously or unconsciously, they will punish him--regardless of innocence/guilt--in order to counter the narrative that "cops are never punished for bad behavior." And to prevent America's cities from burning yet again.

    Replies: @Ed, @Ed, @Art Deco

    Depends on the jurisdiction.

  280. @epebble
    @Hibernian

    There is news today that they had some workplace related animosity. Floyd was not unknown to Chauvin. He might have used the opportunity to exact some revenge that went too far. So, the reality may be it was workplace violence by proxy.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/george-floyd-derek-chauvin-nightclub-bumped-heads/

    If so, does this constitute premeditation? Is it admissible?

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Betcha this is fiction.

    Their supervisor was adamant that the two did not work together.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Art Deco

    Supervisor now says they knew each other, and that there was animosity, and that she believes that the cop was scared and intimidated by the dead saint when arresting him.

  281. @Paul Jolliffe
    @JimDandy

    Jim Dandy wrote:

    "You don't think the rioting helps Trump?"

    Riots will push some centrists to Trump, or at least they won't vote for Biden.

    But a "not guilty" verdict will energize and mobilize enough left-leaning Dems to do something that many would not otherwise have bothered to do: actually show up on Election Day and vote!

    As Steve has noted for years, the key for Democrats is to roil up their lackluster, disorganized base sufficiently to win an election.
    Democrats actually do engage in vote fraud, but usually not on a massive scale. They want just enough fraud to get the Republicans to react so that the Democrats can then fire up their base with "Republicans are trying suppress the vote!"

    Steve has argued that has been a major tactic for Dems in the past.

    A "not guilty" verdict just before the election would have the same impact on would-be Dem voters as the old "vote suppression" claim.


    So, for vastly different reasons, would both Democrats and Republicans welcome a "not guilty" verdict in the trial of Darren Chauvin?

    Replies: @JimDandy

    If it fires up both sides, a higher percentage of fired-up Republican voters will actually vote. Count on that. Less felons, weed smokers, human sloths, etc. in that camp, and more car owners. And if an acquittal leads to Part II of the violent anarchy? Trump in a landslide.

    I think that every single thing that happened in the Ferguson drama–following the initial “Hands up, Don’t Shoot!” fictional narrative–hurt the Dems.

  282. @Art Deco
    @epebble

    Betcha this is fiction.

    Their supervisor was adamant that the two did not work together.

    Replies: @JimDandy

    Supervisor now says they knew each other, and that there was animosity, and that she believes that the cop was scared and intimidated by the dead saint when arresting him.

  283. @Anon7
    @JimDandy

    The USA has a much higher rate of police killing civilians than elsewhere in the world. Way higher. Full stop.

    So, let's not talk about race. Let's talk about a People, a Nation of persons, who don't know how to surrender! We hate doing it.

    Once we're adults, we're especially unhappy with the idea that there are super-Adults, namely cops, who can give us a time-out whenever the law requires it. We have Narcissistic Personality Disorder, we think BLM, we think we're being disrespected, you name it..

    We just can't stop resisting arrest! That's why so many people get shot. It's also why the police are almost invariably found innocent. It's because they mostly are innocent, they're just doing their jobs.

    The RATE OF POLICE KILLING CIVILIANS is a stupid statistic. We need the RATE OF RESISTING ARREST across nations. Then, our problem would be obvious.

    The following scenario should be seen a thousand times by all Americans by the time they are twelve:

    COP: Sir, I need to put you in handcuffs, and then I'll put you in the back of this police vehicle.

    CIVILIAN: Um...

    COP: Sir, there are two choices. A) You go quietly. B) I will use sufficient force, up to and including killing you. Right here, right now. And if you live, you will spend guaranteed jail time for resisting arrest. Please comply.

    CIVILIAN: Um...

    COP: Let me put it this way. This is not a confrontation between two men. The entire adult citizenry of the United States stands right behind me. Please comply now.

    CIVILIAN: Well, when you put it that way.

    Replies: @JimDandy

    Yeah. The Rule of Law ultimately rests on this cornerstone. It’s not a pleasant thought. But a lot of things about reality aren’t pleasant.

  284. @Redman
    @usNthem

    There's probably some good stills from his porn flix.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    I skimmed through his porn flick. It wasn’t very good.

  285. @Kratoklastes
    @TomSchmidt

    Using a story as 'evidence' of the truth of the story? Seems legit.

    Using that framework, we can say that we have evidence that Superman exists, and that he wears his undies on the outside. Also, there's a place called Bizarro World where superheroes are actually supervillains.

    We also have both textual and video proof that English kids play a weird game on flying broomsticks, and we know how Harry Potter's final confrontation with Voldemort went down, because it was recorded contemporaneously by an impartial observer.

    Otherwise J.K. Rowling must be involved in a conspiracy with the entire film and publishing industry, and it would be impossible for everyone involved to keep silent.

    And what of the marvels (lol) of Wakanda... all documented on film, which is a much more reliable medium than third-hand accounts written at least 40 years after the fact.

    These and other documents contain clear first-hand knowledge of matters that can only be known to those who were present.

    .

    It's the 21st century, and there are still people who fall for "It's written down right there! That's evidence!" Sheesh.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt, @epebble

    An Eyewitness account:

  286. @TomSchmidt
    @jamie b.

    The major problem with the argument is that the only record of it is in the holy book of the people who believe it. Obviously there were no iPhones to record either death or a formerly dead person walking about. But there were eyewitnesses to the phenomenon, and Kreeft's argument has to do with those people. Recall that the same book that reported on this phenomenon reported on the raising from the dead of several people by the same affiliated group.

    Now, if I were to argue against it I'd argue that the people who did not believe at the time were like a silent majority today, with nothing invested in the sanctity of Jesus didn't bother contradicting the narrative of a small, fanatical group of believers. The fact remains that that small fanatical group of believers eventually took over the empire that had put its leader to the cross.

    Replies: @jamie b.

    Obviously there were no iPhones to record either death or a formerly dead person walking about.

    Exactly.

    The major problem with the argument is that the only record of it is in the holy book of the people who believe it.

    So… because that’s the only evidence available, we ought to regard it as strong?

    Recall that the same book that reported on this phenomenon reported on the raising from the dead of several people by the same affiliated group.

    This doesn’t seem a bit circular to you? Unless we’ve already established that people can return to life, your observation could be taken as a good reason to doubt the veracity of the book.

    But there were eyewitnesses to the phenomenon, and Kreeft’s argument has to do with those people.

    Yes, and my counter-argument stands: It’s not up to the skeptic to support an alternative explanation, but solely up to the believer to support their case. Mere eyewitness accounts (pretty much the weakest form of evidence) is not extraordinary enough to support the extraordinary claim.

    The fact remains that that small fanatical group of believers eventually took over the empire that had put its leader to the cross.

    I think that you need to flesh out the argument here. It looks to me like an appeal to consequence.

    • Replies: @HA
    @jamie b.

    "So… because that’s the only evidence available, we ought to regard it as strong?"

    We ought to regard it as the best evidence available at the time, and at the very least, not an obvious scam of the kind that Joseph Smith or L Ron Hubbard managed to pull off.

    That's at best a starting point, as opposed to being an outright dealbreaker. In fact, Christian scriptures admit (circularity notwithstanding) that even an objectively verifiable resurrection would not be regarded as probative to any outsiders:


    "He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead. '"
     
    So even if Jesus had an EKG feed that mysteriously started up again round about that first Easter Sunday, it wouldn't mean anything more than another botched execution (paging Rasputin). I.e., not that big a deal. Even back when eyewitness testimony was the best thing going (i.e. a lot better than the methods it replaced, such as casting lots or else entreating God to send down fire) it wouldn't have meant all that much, if that was all there was to it.

    But it isn't. The key evidence that Christians are supposed to rely on is ideally their own personal eyewitness testimony that Jesus is alive, just like the kind that Paul relied on, even though he likewise never encountered Jesus back in Galilee or Nazareth. (In fact, that's why Paul is arguably the greatest apostle.) Not every Christian has a road-to-Damascus moment, but even for those that don't, the evidence of what Christians are doing here and now is regarded as the best evidence that Jesus's resurrection is not something to be dismissed.

    Replies: @jamie b.

  287. @Diversity Heretic
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Although they rarely exercise it, the prosecution also has a right to ask for a trial by jury.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    That depends on state law, it’s not a Constitutional right as it is for the defendant. There was a lot of controversy about a proposed law to give the prosecution that right, in Illinois, about 35 years ago. I think the move to do so failed, due to left wing opposition; I’m not totally sure.

  288. @Corvinus
    @fish

    "No they don’t. The crowd is populated by morons!"

    No, you grossly underestimate the organizing ability of the protestors as well as their thoughts on the issues.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @fish

    No, you grossly underestimate the organizing ability of the protestors as well as their thoughts on the issues.

    You’ll forgive me if I’m not terribly impressed by this Flash Mob writ large! You can always coax the urban underclass out for a little unauthorized “shopping”.

    The organization abilities of the ANTIFA types similarly doesn’t impress me…..the skill of it! The audacity …..perhaps a bit….but let’s be honest they’re playing on their home field.

  289. @Alden
    There’s rumors on the internet that the donations to Black Looters Matter are going to the DNC. Wouldn’t be surprised.

    Replies: @Muggles

    >>There’s rumors on the internet that the donations to Black Looters Matter are going to the DNC. Wouldn’t be surprised.<<

    Like most such rumors, it is likely false. Or mostly. The BLM moniker is legally very vague in many cases, so it is possible that the Dems or some subset have taken advantage. But there are legal limits and reporting requirements for contributions to official political parties and their subsidiaries.

    That being said, this is a great topic. My recent hunch is that with all of the Floyd mania there is also a lot of online (mostly) fundraising attached. Some of it is claimed to be for bail, legal defense, etc. and I suspect much of it is GoFundMe type operations. So what oversight is there for that?

    Zero.

    As a former auditor I can safely predict that most of the funds donated (to many outstretched hands) will be siphoned off, scammed, skimmed, or outright looted. This is common in non profit fund drives even when carefully watched. For ad hoc political stuff, it is open season.

    I have no idea of the racial composition of who ends up with the money. Some will go for actual bail or lawyers, legal stuff. Much more will be skimmed. If I were a crook I'd be setting up my BLM front donation site right now. Eventually in some of this there will be publicized outrage over the racketeering, but that is years away. If ever (though someone will find something too bad to totally overlook). Some outraged SJW will wonder what happened with his bail donation.

  290. @Gordo
    @Grahamsno(G64)


    Really being set on fire was better than getting fired?
     
    The previous inquisition usually accepted an apology for heresy, one time anyway.

    Replies: @Cortes

    Indeed.

    Those who doubt this are invited to look for and watch the BBC2 programme in the “Timewatch” series covering the subject. Made when the BBC still produced quality documentaries on serious topics in a serious manner.

    • Replies: @Cortes
    @Cortes

    I ought to have added a reference to

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cheese_and_the_Worms

    Ginzburg describes how patient and lenient the investigators were with the fatally obstinate miller, Menocchio, of Friuli, NE Italy.

  291. @Cortes
    @Gordo

    Indeed.

    Those who doubt this are invited to look for and watch the BBC2 programme in the “Timewatch” series covering the subject. Made when the BBC still produced quality documentaries on serious topics in a serious manner.

    Replies: @Cortes

    I ought to have added a reference to

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cheese_and_the_Worms

    Ginzburg describes how patient and lenient the investigators were with the fatally obstinate miller, Menocchio, of Friuli, NE Italy.

  292. @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Anonymous


    Even as a porn perfomer Floyd wasn’t impressive at all.
     
    Agreed. His stature versus his lack of stamina and inability to keep it up with a fairly attractive young woman was a giveaway he was a steroid abuser in poor cardiovascular health.

    Replies: @Kronos, @Anonymous

    George Floyd was never a renaissance man like Jonny Sins.

  293. HA says:
    @jamie b.
    @TomSchmidt


    Obviously there were no iPhones to record either death or a formerly dead person walking about.
     
    Exactly.

    The major problem with the argument is that the only record of it is in the holy book of the people who believe it.
     
    So... because that's the only evidence available, we ought to regard it as strong?

    Recall that the same book that reported on this phenomenon reported on the raising from the dead of several people by the same affiliated group.
     
    This doesn't seem a bit circular to you? Unless we've already established that people can return to life, your observation could be taken as a good reason to doubt the veracity of the book.

    But there were eyewitnesses to the phenomenon, and Kreeft’s argument has to do with those people.
     
    Yes, and my counter-argument stands: It's not up to the skeptic to support an alternative explanation, but solely up to the believer to support their case. Mere eyewitness accounts (pretty much the weakest form of evidence) is not extraordinary enough to support the extraordinary claim.

    The fact remains that that small fanatical group of believers eventually took over the empire that had put its leader to the cross.
     
    I think that you need to flesh out the argument here. It looks to me like an appeal to consequence.

    Replies: @HA

    “So… because that’s the only evidence available, we ought to regard it as strong?”

    We ought to regard it as the best evidence available at the time, and at the very least, not an obvious scam of the kind that Joseph Smith or L Ron Hubbard managed to pull off.

    That’s at best a starting point, as opposed to being an outright dealbreaker. In fact, Christian scriptures admit (circularity notwithstanding) that even an objectively verifiable resurrection would not be regarded as probative to any outsiders:

    “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead. ‘”

    So even if Jesus had an EKG feed that mysteriously started up again round about that first Easter Sunday, it wouldn’t mean anything more than another botched execution (paging Rasputin). I.e., not that big a deal. Even back when eyewitness testimony was the best thing going (i.e. a lot better than the methods it replaced, such as casting lots or else entreating God to send down fire) it wouldn’t have meant all that much, if that was all there was to it.

    But it isn’t. The key evidence that Christians are supposed to rely on is ideally their own personal eyewitness testimony that Jesus is alive, just like the kind that Paul relied on, even though he likewise never encountered Jesus back in Galilee or Nazareth. (In fact, that’s why Paul is arguably the greatest apostle.) Not every Christian has a road-to-Damascus moment, but even for those that don’t, the evidence of what Christians are doing here and now is regarded as the best evidence that Jesus’s resurrection is not something to be dismissed.

    • Replies: @jamie b.
    @HA


    We ought to regard it as the best evidence available at the time...
     
    Which again, shouldn't be interpreted as good evidence just because it was the best evidence. It's still very poor evidence.

    ...not an obvious scam...
     
    Why? I don't think that it was a scam, but I see no reason to exclude the possibility.

    ...even an objectively verifiable resurrection would not be regarded as probative to any outsiders... / ...it wouldn’t mean anything more than another botched execution...
     
    You seem to be suggesting that skepticism is a matter of stubbornness or closed-mindedness. But setting a high bar for extraordinary claims is really a matter of epistemological consistency, as I explain here...

    https://www.quora.com/Do-extraordinary-claims-require-extraordinary-evidence/answer/Jamie-Bechtel-%E0%A4%9C%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%BF-%E0%A4%AC%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%95%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%A4%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%B2%E0%A5%8D

    ...the evidence of what Christians are doing here and now is regarded as the best evidence that Jesus’s resurrection is not something to be dismissed.
     
    As with the last comment that I responded to, you seem to be ending with an appeal to consequence.

    Replies: @HA

  294. @HA
    @jamie b.

    "So… because that’s the only evidence available, we ought to regard it as strong?"

    We ought to regard it as the best evidence available at the time, and at the very least, not an obvious scam of the kind that Joseph Smith or L Ron Hubbard managed to pull off.

    That's at best a starting point, as opposed to being an outright dealbreaker. In fact, Christian scriptures admit (circularity notwithstanding) that even an objectively verifiable resurrection would not be regarded as probative to any outsiders:


    "He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead. '"
     
    So even if Jesus had an EKG feed that mysteriously started up again round about that first Easter Sunday, it wouldn't mean anything more than another botched execution (paging Rasputin). I.e., not that big a deal. Even back when eyewitness testimony was the best thing going (i.e. a lot better than the methods it replaced, such as casting lots or else entreating God to send down fire) it wouldn't have meant all that much, if that was all there was to it.

    But it isn't. The key evidence that Christians are supposed to rely on is ideally their own personal eyewitness testimony that Jesus is alive, just like the kind that Paul relied on, even though he likewise never encountered Jesus back in Galilee or Nazareth. (In fact, that's why Paul is arguably the greatest apostle.) Not every Christian has a road-to-Damascus moment, but even for those that don't, the evidence of what Christians are doing here and now is regarded as the best evidence that Jesus's resurrection is not something to be dismissed.

    Replies: @jamie b.

    We ought to regard it as the best evidence available at the time…

    Which again, shouldn’t be interpreted as good evidence just because it was the best evidence. It’s still very poor evidence.

    …not an obvious scam…

    Why? I don’t think that it was a scam, but I see no reason to exclude the possibility.

    …even an objectively verifiable resurrection would not be regarded as probative to any outsiders… / …it wouldn’t mean anything more than another botched execution…

    You seem to be suggesting that skepticism is a matter of stubbornness or closed-mindedness. But setting a high bar for extraordinary claims is really a matter of epistemological consistency, as I explain here…

    https://www.quora.com/Do-extraordinary-claims-require-extraordinary-evidence/answer/Jamie-Bechtel-%E0%A4%9C%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%BF-%E0%A4%AC%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%95%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%A4%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%B2%E0%A5%8D

    …the evidence of what Christians are doing here and now is regarded as the best evidence that Jesus’s resurrection is not something to be dismissed.

    As with the last comment that I responded to, you seem to be ending with an appeal to consequence.

    • Replies: @HA
    @jamie b.

    "Which again, shouldn’t be interpreted as good evidence..."

    Which I didn't do. In fact, I myself don't think there is good evidence for the death (or lack thereof) of one individual 2,000 years ago. In fact, I spent a good chunk of the post pointing out that even according to the book in question, ANY evidence for an actual resurrection -- including any that you would find convincing -- would not amount to much. In the future, maybe take the effort to read the entire post you're replying to, instead of deciding to shoot off at the first sentence.

    "I don’t think that it was a scam, but I see no reason to exclude the possibility."

    Neither do I. Which means that plausibility arguments like the kind offered by Kreeft are at least a beginning, as I said. He actually begins with "scam" as one of the possibilities that must be considered, so he doesn't exclude the possibility either. Sure, absence of evidence of a scam -- which is the best he can subsequently provide -- is not evidence of absence, but it's a necessary start in any inquiry, and in the case of Joseph Smith and L Ron Hubbard, there's enough in the historical record (for most people, anyway) to comfortably dismiss their efforts as outright scams. If tomorrow we do dig up a withered scroll featuring a 5th gospel that gives us a detailed confession of two of Jesus's disciples carrying off the body and then getting robbed and murdered just after having finished scrawling the last line, that would get us into Joseph Smith territory and it would indeed be seized upon as evidence of a scam. So it's at least worth surveying the record as to whether something of that nature does in fact exist.

    "You seem to be suggesting that skepticism is a matter of stubbornness or closed-mindedness."

    No, I'm saying that one man surviving a crucifixion -- even if it were indisputably true that that is what happened -- isn't proof of anything, in and of itself, other than something that happens every once in a while, even if only rarely. That seems plenty skeptical on my part. If we're going to tendentiously skew what other people say, then I'm going to say that you conjuring up stubbornness or closed-mindedness seems is your effort to build a strawman.

    " ...ending with an appeal to consequence."

    If the consequence in question is something they regard as being evidence of Jesus's ongoing presence -- e.g. as was the case with Saul of Tarsus -- then precisely so. It doesn't have to mean much to you or me, but it evidently is enough for them.

    Replies: @HA, @jamie b.

  295. HA says:
    @jamie b.
    @HA


    We ought to regard it as the best evidence available at the time...
     
    Which again, shouldn't be interpreted as good evidence just because it was the best evidence. It's still very poor evidence.

    ...not an obvious scam...
     
    Why? I don't think that it was a scam, but I see no reason to exclude the possibility.

    ...even an objectively verifiable resurrection would not be regarded as probative to any outsiders... / ...it wouldn’t mean anything more than another botched execution...
     
    You seem to be suggesting that skepticism is a matter of stubbornness or closed-mindedness. But setting a high bar for extraordinary claims is really a matter of epistemological consistency, as I explain here...

    https://www.quora.com/Do-extraordinary-claims-require-extraordinary-evidence/answer/Jamie-Bechtel-%E0%A4%9C%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%BF-%E0%A4%AC%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%95%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%A4%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%B2%E0%A5%8D

    ...the evidence of what Christians are doing here and now is regarded as the best evidence that Jesus’s resurrection is not something to be dismissed.
     
    As with the last comment that I responded to, you seem to be ending with an appeal to consequence.

    Replies: @HA

    “Which again, shouldn’t be interpreted as good evidence…”

    Which I didn’t do. In fact, I myself don’t think there is good evidence for the death (or lack thereof) of one individual 2,000 years ago. In fact, I spent a good chunk of the post pointing out that even according to the book in question, ANY evidence for an actual resurrection — including any that you would find convincing — would not amount to much. In the future, maybe take the effort to read the entire post you’re replying to, instead of deciding to shoot off at the first sentence.

    “I don’t think that it was a scam, but I see no reason to exclude the possibility.”

    Neither do I. Which means that plausibility arguments like the kind offered by Kreeft are at least a beginning, as I said. He actually begins with “scam” as one of the possibilities that must be considered, so he doesn’t exclude the possibility either. Sure, absence of evidence of a scam — which is the best he can subsequently provide — is not evidence of absence, but it’s a necessary start in any inquiry, and in the case of Joseph Smith and L Ron Hubbard, there’s enough in the historical record (for most people, anyway) to comfortably dismiss their efforts as outright scams. If tomorrow we do dig up a withered scroll featuring a 5th gospel that gives us a detailed confession of two of Jesus’s disciples carrying off the body and then getting robbed and murdered just after having finished scrawling the last line, that would get us into Joseph Smith territory and it would indeed be seized upon as evidence of a scam. So it’s at least worth surveying the record as to whether something of that nature does in fact exist.

    “You seem to be suggesting that skepticism is a matter of stubbornness or closed-mindedness.”

    No, I’m saying that one man surviving a crucifixion — even if it were indisputably true that that is what happened — isn’t proof of anything, in and of itself, other than something that happens every once in a while, even if only rarely. That seems plenty skeptical on my part. If we’re going to tendentiously skew what other people say, then I’m going to say that you conjuring up stubbornness or closed-mindedness seems is your effort to build a strawman.

    ” …ending with an appeal to consequence.”

    If the consequence in question is something they regard as being evidence of Jesus’s ongoing presence — e.g. as was the case with Saul of Tarsus — then precisely so. It doesn’t have to mean much to you or me, but it evidently is enough for them.

    • Replies: @HA
    @HA

    "In fact, I spent a good chunk of the post pointing out that even according to the book in question, ANY evidence for an actual resurrection..."

    That was poorly phrased. What I should have said was "ANY evidence for an actual resurrection that does not involve Jesus being a continuing presence to those who follow him even today". In fact, it is that ongoing presence that is regarded as being the more relevant evidence.

    So, while checking to see whether or not the Gospel narratives show telltale marks of an obvious scam might be of interest to some people, it probably won't be sufficient, in and of itself, to sway anyone unless that person is predisposed (by way of that other more relevant evidence) to believe.

    , @jamie b.
    @HA

    Apologies, it looks like I was confusing you for Tom Schmidt.


    ...plausibility arguments like the kind offered by Kreeft are at least a beginning...
     
    A beginning for what?
  296. Anonymous[387] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Anonymous


    Even as a porn perfomer Floyd wasn’t impressive at all.
     
    Agreed. His stature versus his lack of stamina and inability to keep it up with a fairly attractive young woman was a giveaway he was a steroid abuser in poor cardiovascular health.

    Replies: @Kronos, @Anonymous

    Agreed. His stature versus his lack of stamina and inability to keep it up with a fairly attractive young woman was a giveaway he was a steroid abuser in poor cardiovascular health.

    Does this mean that the, er, “footage” is likely to be introduced as an exhibit for the defence?

    “Now if you look closely here, your honour, you’ll see…”

  297. HA says:
    @HA
    @jamie b.

    "Which again, shouldn’t be interpreted as good evidence..."

    Which I didn't do. In fact, I myself don't think there is good evidence for the death (or lack thereof) of one individual 2,000 years ago. In fact, I spent a good chunk of the post pointing out that even according to the book in question, ANY evidence for an actual resurrection -- including any that you would find convincing -- would not amount to much. In the future, maybe take the effort to read the entire post you're replying to, instead of deciding to shoot off at the first sentence.

    "I don’t think that it was a scam, but I see no reason to exclude the possibility."

    Neither do I. Which means that plausibility arguments like the kind offered by Kreeft are at least a beginning, as I said. He actually begins with "scam" as one of the possibilities that must be considered, so he doesn't exclude the possibility either. Sure, absence of evidence of a scam -- which is the best he can subsequently provide -- is not evidence of absence, but it's a necessary start in any inquiry, and in the case of Joseph Smith and L Ron Hubbard, there's enough in the historical record (for most people, anyway) to comfortably dismiss their efforts as outright scams. If tomorrow we do dig up a withered scroll featuring a 5th gospel that gives us a detailed confession of two of Jesus's disciples carrying off the body and then getting robbed and murdered just after having finished scrawling the last line, that would get us into Joseph Smith territory and it would indeed be seized upon as evidence of a scam. So it's at least worth surveying the record as to whether something of that nature does in fact exist.

    "You seem to be suggesting that skepticism is a matter of stubbornness or closed-mindedness."

    No, I'm saying that one man surviving a crucifixion -- even if it were indisputably true that that is what happened -- isn't proof of anything, in and of itself, other than something that happens every once in a while, even if only rarely. That seems plenty skeptical on my part. If we're going to tendentiously skew what other people say, then I'm going to say that you conjuring up stubbornness or closed-mindedness seems is your effort to build a strawman.

    " ...ending with an appeal to consequence."

    If the consequence in question is something they regard as being evidence of Jesus's ongoing presence -- e.g. as was the case with Saul of Tarsus -- then precisely so. It doesn't have to mean much to you or me, but it evidently is enough for them.

    Replies: @HA, @jamie b.

    “In fact, I spent a good chunk of the post pointing out that even according to the book in question, ANY evidence for an actual resurrection…”

    That was poorly phrased. What I should have said was “ANY evidence for an actual resurrection that does not involve Jesus being a continuing presence to those who follow him even today”. In fact, it is that ongoing presence that is regarded as being the more relevant evidence.

    So, while checking to see whether or not the Gospel narratives show telltale marks of an obvious scam might be of interest to some people, it probably won’t be sufficient, in and of itself, to sway anyone unless that person is predisposed (by way of that other more relevant evidence) to believe.

  298. @Desiderius
    Meanwhile not one thing has changed in RL here except a couple nights with a 9 PM curfew and people, especially blacks, going out of their way to be extra friendly. Playgrounds finally opening back up tomorrow.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    Update:

    Two teen black girls (With iPhones = key element) trying to talk themselves into going after my two-year-old for hitting them with a football. Openly testing manhood, as teen girls will do, but with unmistakable edge.

  299. @HA
    @jamie b.

    "Which again, shouldn’t be interpreted as good evidence..."

    Which I didn't do. In fact, I myself don't think there is good evidence for the death (or lack thereof) of one individual 2,000 years ago. In fact, I spent a good chunk of the post pointing out that even according to the book in question, ANY evidence for an actual resurrection -- including any that you would find convincing -- would not amount to much. In the future, maybe take the effort to read the entire post you're replying to, instead of deciding to shoot off at the first sentence.

    "I don’t think that it was a scam, but I see no reason to exclude the possibility."

    Neither do I. Which means that plausibility arguments like the kind offered by Kreeft are at least a beginning, as I said. He actually begins with "scam" as one of the possibilities that must be considered, so he doesn't exclude the possibility either. Sure, absence of evidence of a scam -- which is the best he can subsequently provide -- is not evidence of absence, but it's a necessary start in any inquiry, and in the case of Joseph Smith and L Ron Hubbard, there's enough in the historical record (for most people, anyway) to comfortably dismiss their efforts as outright scams. If tomorrow we do dig up a withered scroll featuring a 5th gospel that gives us a detailed confession of two of Jesus's disciples carrying off the body and then getting robbed and murdered just after having finished scrawling the last line, that would get us into Joseph Smith territory and it would indeed be seized upon as evidence of a scam. So it's at least worth surveying the record as to whether something of that nature does in fact exist.

    "You seem to be suggesting that skepticism is a matter of stubbornness or closed-mindedness."

    No, I'm saying that one man surviving a crucifixion -- even if it were indisputably true that that is what happened -- isn't proof of anything, in and of itself, other than something that happens every once in a while, even if only rarely. That seems plenty skeptical on my part. If we're going to tendentiously skew what other people say, then I'm going to say that you conjuring up stubbornness or closed-mindedness seems is your effort to build a strawman.

    " ...ending with an appeal to consequence."

    If the consequence in question is something they regard as being evidence of Jesus's ongoing presence -- e.g. as was the case with Saul of Tarsus -- then precisely so. It doesn't have to mean much to you or me, but it evidently is enough for them.

    Replies: @HA, @jamie b.

    Apologies, it looks like I was confusing you for Tom Schmidt.

    …plausibility arguments like the kind offered by Kreeft are at least a beginning…

    A beginning for what?

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