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Pro-Israel protesters destroy pro-Palestine encampment at UCLA
Pro-Israel protestors attack and destroy pro-Palestine encampment at UCLA in the early hours of Wednesday morning
— Shadyyee (@chockietee) May 2, 2024
You can laugh about their no bananas policy and their third-night Passover seder, but these students at the UCLA Palestine Solidarity Encampment just humiliated a phalanx of advancing LAPD officers by forcing them to retreat.pic.twitter.com/xuiY69LPyo
— Louis Keene (@thislouis) May 2, 2024
The timeline appears to be, roughly:
Pro-Palestine protestors seized control of the center of the UCLA campus (the Royce Hall area) and set up a fortified shanty town.
The college administration allowed the Pro-Palestine people to block foot traffic and classes until 4pm yesterday, when Gene Block ordered it shut down.
Then pro-Israel counterprotestors attacked the pro-Palestine encampment.
The authorities sent in the LAPD. After letting the combatants whale on each other for awhile, the cops eventually got between the pro-Israel and pro-Palestine people.
After multiple charges, the cops finally got through the barricades and cleared out the pro-Palestine folks.
An almighty mess was left on UCLA’s superbly landscaped campus.
Or something like that.
With UCLA becoming the epicenter of the national battle between the Diverse and the Jews, I recall my Taki’s column from 9 years ago on that fault line in UCLA student politics:
Are Jews Losing Control of the Campus?
Steve Sailer
March 11, 2015I never paid much attention to the growing BDS movement because I’m not into bondage, domination, and submission. But it turns out that BDS is actually a decade-old Palestinian rights movement that targets Israel for boycott, divestment, and sanctions. These are the same tools that student protestors, such as Barack Obama, demanded be implemented against white rule in South Africa in the 1980s.
That worked out well for Obama (although not so well for the Boers).
While fairly mainstream in other parts of the world (for example, physicist Stephen Hawking boycotted a conference in Israel to protest occupation of the West Bank), BDS hasn’t yet become respectable in the United States. The main exception has been in the playpen of student government on California college campuses, where the much-celebrated diversity has proven fertile ground for undergraduate demagogues. …
In California, the state with the largest number and greatest diversity of newcomers, immigration is destabilizing the American order in which Jews have thrived.
… Passage of BDS resolutions at Berkeley and, especially, UCLA has proven disturbing to moderate Jews.
… A minor incident of UCLA student council politics epitomizes growing Jewish anxieties over whether the fringe leftist resentments cynically unleashed by the Obama campaign in 2012 against core Americans will remain manageable, or will eventually be bad for the Jews.
UCLA is located near Beverly Hills at the heart of what had long ranked behind only New York City as the largest and richest Jewish community in the world. In the early 1960s, UCLA student politics has been the launching pad for Democratic Congressmen Henry Waxman and Howard Berman, who were strong supporters of Israel over their aggregate of 70 years in the House.
But even with a major influx of Israeli, Persian, and Eastern European Jews (along with numerous Russians and Ukrainians of ambiguous ancestry) into the Hollywood Hills region, Jewish influence on the UCLA campus has waned since the Waxman-Berman glory days. After all, only 27 percent of UCLA entering freshmen officially identify as white, so that doesn’t leave Jewish students much room on a campus obsessed with identity politics, even one as long identified with Jewish success as UCLA.
UCLA student politics was already becoming like that when I earned an MBA at UCLA in 1980-82, and the almost random conflicts between California’s countless ethnic groups have only intensified since then. A friend who was at UCLA around 2000 says that in his day the big student government war was Mexicans v. Armenians. I know a current UCLA student politician, and the tribal passions elicited by these student elections are stunning.
You may be wondering if student government resolutions are of any real world importance. After all, UCLA chancellor Gene Block, a former Borscht Belt pianist, is hardly in a hurry to insult many of his biggest donors, such as entertainment mogul David Geffen, who has given over $300 million to UCLA’s David Geffen School of Medicine. …
But in 1981, the Boers probably scoffed at American campus blowhards, such as the young Obama, who delivered his first political speech at Los Angeles’s Occidental College in favor of using BDS against Pretoria.
Plus, it’s fun to fight your enemies, no matter how trivial the stakes. So Jewish organizations put up a terrific battle at UCLA last fall against the BDS resolution, collecting money from outside funders such as Israeli-American real estate tycoon Adam Milstein.
The previous spring, Sikh Sunny Singh had run for UCLA student government president on the issue of making the “campus climate” more comfortable. Now you may think the weather at UCLA is pretty pleasant already, but “campus climate” and “comfort” are code words for competitive complaining about the white male power structure. However, Devin Murphy narrowly won by arguing that Singh was biased because he had accepted a free trip to Israel from the Anti-Defamation League.
Just before the BDS vote last fall, however, Murphy unexpectedly resigned, announcing:
As an Afro-Cuban queer male, the toll that the stresses of this campus has had on my mental, physical and emotional health is nothing any student should ever have to go through — but this is unfortunately something with which many students of color deal.
Murphy was automatically succeeded by the vice president Avinoam Baral.
Still, the pro-BDS student council members had the votes to pass their anti-Israel resolution, much to the frustration of the new president, who declared:
I just want to reflect as the only person on this council who is actually invested in this conversation in the sense that I am an Israeli citizen and that I was born in Israel 21 years ago … Do not ever, ever frame this conflict as an indigenous versus non-indigenous [issue], and I don’t care where you stand on this issue because when you frame this issue in that way you’re saying that I don’t actually matter, that I don’t have a place in my homeland, and I would never, ever take that from anybody. …
Baral was just getting warmed up:
I’ll say this: being president actually sucks and being not able to really voice your opinion when you’re up here. … It’s so hard to be here and it’s so hard to be in this role and this is for the people that put me here and the people that I represent and the people that have done everything for me. I’m sorry, I’m sorry, I’m sorry, and I’m sorry …
Come on, Avinoam, tell us how you really feel.
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I can’t get too excited. I have long thought that “student government” exists only as a temporal projection of its participants’ future resumes.
People of Colour need to work together to fight the real enemy of white supremacy.
Maybe the anti-Israel BDS protesters got their idea from somewhere…
I saw that tweet via a thread on City-data forums https://www.city-data.com/forum/politics-other-controversies/3467906-ucla-hundreds-students-convert-islam.html
Some of them will have a rude awakening.
Bullshit. Some state school is California is irrelevant. It’s the Northeast and at the Ivies where the important people are. The intelligentsia at places like Harvard and Columbia.
You went to some shitkicker school in Texas followed by some joke degree from a public university.
Stick to golf course architecture, boy.
It seems wise to be skeptical of any and all in-person protests in a context where your enemy controls the media. The Charlottesville boys found this out the hard way.
When your enemy controls the media and a shitstorm erupts – no matter who provoked it – the media will always make their favored side look sympathetic.
Given that Jews/Zionists control the Western media I don’t see how there’s anything that can be gained by in-person protests. The best you can hope for is that nothing happens at your protest (and it’s thus ignored) because if something does happen (like somebody’s killed) it will always be the fault of the side that the media doesn’t like, even if the victim is someone from the side that they hate (like Ashli Babbitt was).
It might be better to focus on online activism, or, more ambitiously, building a fortune so you can buy up media or start a new social media app like TikTok (given that most online platforms are also controlled by Jews/Zionists, e.g., Reddit, Facebook, Youtube, Breitbart). But, even then, you must rely on the government not banning or nationalizing your business at the behest of a powerful ethnic mafia who feels that their media cartel is threatened by the competition (or forcing you to go on a humiliating tour of Israel and Auschwitz as Elon’s been made to do).
Fundamentally, we have a Jewish mafia problem.
Related:
https://www.unz.com/runz/gazacaust-placing-the-blame-where-it-belongs/#comment-6399721
“With UCLA becoming the epicenter of the national battle between the Diverse and the Jews, ”
This is more of the similar “trying to have it both ways.”
The jews are part of the diverse, until they decide that it’s not good for them in that moment, so then they are not.
So in reality it’s less between the diverse and jews, and more like amongst the diverse, in the circular firing squad sort of way.
Always worth nothing that jews and now diverse get capitalized, but white and gentile do not.
Right. After all, what’s more remote and far from any media than the UCLA campus in Westwood?
Steve, your book Noticing finally arrived today (I paid for it on March 24). You wrote a very interesting Forward. I have been reading this blog for many years (well before it went on the Unz site) and I never knew you worked for UPI in the early 2000s.
Actually it just looks like your average LA freeway exit ramp.
Where did they get building supplies? In what universe do they get to demand food?
LAPD has machine guns, this would have been a great chance to get their dicks wet.
“Actually it just looks like your average LA freeway exit ramp.”
More like an urban city park after migrants have enriched it on a Sunday afternoon.
Abraham Ikurō Teshima (手島アブラハム郁郎 1910 – 1973) was the founder of the Makuya religious movement. A native of Kumamoto, Japan.
Teshima was fervently identified with the cause of Israel, conceiving the establishment of the State of Israel and the unification of Jerusalem as a fulfillment of biblical prophecies. His group, Makuya, has sent young members to a number of kibbutzim in Israel and made pilgrimages to Jerusalem. “Over 900 Makuya students have been sent to Israeli kibbutzim to work together with the people of the Bible, and to study Hebrew and the biblical background. Some of them continue their academic studies in universities.” The primary kibbutz the Makuya students stay at is Heftziba. Makuya has also appeared in front of the United Nations on at least two occasions, speaking on behalf of Israel.
In 1967, when the Six-Day War broke out, Teshima wrote a telegram to the Makuya students in Israel saying, “Stay as long as you can and help Israel”. The students, accordingly, volunteered to aid Israel during the war. In 1973, when the Yom Kippur War broke out, the state of Japan supported Arab countries, caving in to an Arab oil embargo. This diplomatic policy frustrated Teshima. Despite his serious illness (terminal cirrhosis), Teshima organized, with 3,000 of his adherents, a campaign for Israel in front of the Diet building in Tokyo. It was the first pro-Israel demonstration ever held in Japan. The campaign received wide coverage in the press, radio, and television. However, it also worsened Teshima’s illness and he died three weeks later on Christmas Dawn in 1973.
Teshima’s name was inscribed twice on the Golden Book of the Jewish National Fund; once in September 1967, in honor of his staunch support for Israel during the Six-Day War and once in January 1974, honoring his passing. His unconditional love, devotion and support for Israel, which stemmed from his faith is, to this day, carried on by the members of the Makuya movement.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makuya
Their cri de coeur would be laughable if they weren’t so pathetic coming from people of privilege and high? IQ.
The local news coverage of the UCLA protests has been brilliant. Balanced with a real concerned mom energy to it. The national coverage has been abysmal and partisan. National Fox News was actually telling its somnambulic audience at one point that the Zionist Goon Squad from Tuesday night were pro-Palestinian agitators.
Looking at CNN and Fox News websites, they don’t seem to be giving the UCLA protests any more attention than others. I don’t see where it is having a bigger impact than Columbia, if anything UCLA looks to be following Columbia’s lead in clearing the protest zone.
OT: Biden calls on India, along with Japan to throw open their borders. I wonder what the Vice President’s Indian family and backers think of this. Does he think India is short on cheap labor?
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/biden-says-japan-india-xenophobic
So, UCLA now looks more like the rest of L.A.
Such annoying, disingenuous smugness. Who thinks a grass quad temporarily having litter on it is an environmental issue? Or equivalent to “demolishing” a campus? It’s also an obvious deflection from the main issues at hand. It saddens me to think anyone is dumb enough to buy such a framing.
I mean, if the police force you to leave in a hurry, you probably can’t pick up after yourself. But I guess given the hair-thin moral distinction between pro-genocide and anti-genocide belief systems, tidiness in the face of riot cops may be the deciding factor.
Why aren’t they doing this civil disobedience crap about abortion bans? That might actually help their cause. Do you they want to lose the election?
Can’t classes simply be moved online for a few weeks?
Are classes even being interrupted anyway?
This stuff does not affect people off college campuses, so the general public wouldn’t even know that these protests were happening if the media wasn’t hyperventilating about it.
These little protests aren’t nearly as destructive as the George Floyd Riots, yet they are being treated as if they are a “genuine threat to our democracy”. It’s making it look as if Israel has an undue influence on the United States, which we all know is absolutely an anti-semitic conspiracy theory.
Who would have believed that in LaLA Land UCLA, mainly White protesters of left persuasion would be occupying the “Quad” over support for a terrorist led statelet that bans abortion, outlaws gays, supports a ‘four wives” policy and makes women cover their hair in public? This is what “progressives” have now become.
I suppose the “campus Left” ain’t what it used to be.
Expect a “Student’s for Putin” sit-in is next on their agenda.
If you live long enough…
(Of course the LAFD is well equipped with fire hoses and water cannons. Such devices could literally sweep out the campus garbage in five minutes. Also the litter…)
Joe Biden & Company isn’t looking forward to their Chicago Dem convention…
Rice a shitkicker school in Texas? Look it up, you ignorant knuckle dragging pos
Joe Biden & Company isn’t looking forward to their Chicago Dem convention
Perhaps Joe Biden & Company will send their hirelings, Antifa and the Patriot Front, to Milwaukee to liven up the Republican convention.
That worked out well for Obama (although not so well for the Boers)
Also not so well for the average black South African. There’s something to be said for having competent people in charge of your water and power supply.
Amazon?
You think 19 year olds who disagree with you on a political issue should be shot?
Oh, the irony…
Consider the mascot…
At least it’s not their rivals’– a prophylactic.
Especially should they reconsider later. You think Scientologists were hard on Katie?
This includes Dubai. Do they give you the choice of being thrown off the Burj Khalifa or the Burj al-Arab?
Geez Steve, why are you so afraid of forming or expressing an opinion about what’s happening now?
I appreciate your cutting and pasting other people’s current comments from both sides as well as repeating your comments from 9 years ago. (In which you also refused to have any opinion except to notice that people disagree and to feign boredom and disinterest).
But you stay silent on the true issue — i.e., the manifest control of the foreign Israeli/Jewish Lobby over the American police, legislatures, academia, and media. I don’t even care about the stupid Palestinians but I’m shocked to my core about the naked control of our country by a foreign entity and its billionaire dual citizens.
I’m even more shocked by the lack of noticing among the alleged conservative opinion leaders, who have proved themselves to be bought and paid for, and are therefore totally untrustworthy going forward.
I don’t know what you really care about, but it seems to be almost impossible to trigger your threshold for caring enough to actually take a position. (I would suspect you’re being encouraged through some interested patron(s) to avoid taking the “wrong” positions – but you’ve been silent since 2015, so that would be a pretty “long con”.)
P.S., The key fact of the UCLA incident that you omitted is that the heavily armed riot police deliberately stood down while an organized group of Zionist S.A. brown shirts attacked the protesters. This coordination between police and nominally private front groups is alarming. These people are not our friends, you know.
I read that link. Almost every assertion Biden made was a lie. Biden really is a completely despicable liar. He wants an open borders world (or his handlers do) obviously. India and Japan opening their borders would be opening themselves up to NGO cutouts politically dominating their nations a few decades from now.
Why, every time I relate these college takeovers as “Jews against Muslims,” do so many of my friends bristle and try to change the subject? Like I’m a weird uncle on a Thanksgiving dinner rant?
Am I missing something?
Am I not getting the gist of all this?
A significant number of Muslims hate Jews. They would love to have Jews eradicated from this planet. Another significant number of Muslims don’t hate Jews, but find living in proximity to them to be a bit much. They don’t want to eradicate Jews. They just prefer that Jews move away. Far away.
One can parse out other, different levels of Muslim’s dissatisfaction with Jews, but just the above number of Muslims amount in the hundreds of millions already.
Remember, we’re dealing with over a billion Muslims. You only need a relatively small percentage of Muslims to strategically deconstruct ANY countries way of life, particularly democracies, which they can game like hell in their favor, and Muslim leaders are as well aware of this as the Jews.
So… am I wrong in identifying this as a struggle between Jews and Muslims, who are using the arena of western civilization as their last battlefield?
If not, why not?
Jews funding “protests” against Jews? Oy vey, I smell a 🐀.
Institutions do not like to have their elite status questioned publicly. This is not going to help Israel in the centres of US power. They may be worshipped as semi-angelic in flyover country but they’re losing where it matters:
Somehow I picture flabby dyspeptic LA Zionist David Cole driving by the UCLA encampment and yelling HOYVIN GLAYVIN, followed by a few hysterical phone calls and texts to friends in the community. I didn’t see any David Coles in the fisticuffs, however, all I saw were lean Mezrahi Jews hired to bust heads.
What this really means is that his Jewish advisors are telling him to call for such, right? How does this affect our interpretation of who the good guys are in the Ukraine thing?
national battle between the Diverse and the Jews
This avoids the most salient point. Over what issue is there a division between Jews and the Diverse?
Should we treat the conflicts on a case by case basis or should we always side with Jews or with Diversity(at odds with Jews)?
Could it be that in some cases, Jews have the better argument. In other cases, Diversity has the better argument.
What is being implied is that whites must side with Jews on the basis of their identity regardless of the issues. But such blind loyalty to Jews is what led to Jewish contempt for white weakness and cravenness.
The current conflict is over Gaza and the Palestinian issue in general. Now, Sailer in his Chronicles article condemns anti-white racism. By racism, it’s assumed he means favoring one race at the expense of another. So, under citizenist guidelines, whites should neither be favored or disfavored over other American citizens.
If we should be anti-racist across the line, how can anyone believe the US hasn’t been racist on the Israel-Palestine issue, far favoring Jews over Palestinian at just about every turn?
Why does Sailer oppose anti-white racism but tacitly support racism that favors Jews over Palestinians? Are whites somehow better and undeserving of racist dehumanization but Palestinians deserve such treatment at the hands of Jews backed by whites?
If Sailer really wants to be anti-racist, he must condemn any favoritism of Jews over Palestinians in the US and abroad. If not, he’s just being hypocritical.
From a purely tactical viewpoint, whites may want to support Jews on the basis of Jewish power and talent. But this would work only on a ‘I scratch your back, you scratch my back’. But over the years, the white-Jewish ‘alliance’ has been based on ‘I kiss your backside, you stab my back’. Unworkable. Not only has Jewish Power stabbed whites in the back but supposed Christian Conservatives like Mike Johnson have also done the same. Greg Abbott has done little to stem the tide of Mayorkas minions while sending in stormtroopers to crush protesters.
On the Israel-Palestinian issue, it should be obvious. Diversity is in the right. Zionism is Jewish supremacism over Palestinians, and the US has favored Jews over Palestinians regardless of whatever might have happened.
Instead of thinking, “Should we side with Jews or with Diversity?”, we need to approach the issues on a case by case basis. Side with Jews when Diversity is crazy, side with Diversity when Jews are crazy. Netanyahu and the men around him are crazy.
True, Hamas is full of extremists, but the Palestinian resistance is more understandable given Palestinians have been living in ghetto conditions forever, and furthermore, the land theft continues apace in West Bank.
If US had the right to invade and bomb the hell out of Afghanistan over 9/11, why don’t Palestinians have the right to be angry and outraged by what was done to them? In the US, few buildings were knocked down. In Palestine, an entire people have been displaced and dehumanized.
Also, it’s not just a Jews vs Diversity issue but a Jews vs Jews issue, especially a generational one, especially as Israel has turned very hardline over the years.
There is a inner battle within the Jewish community because of the contradiction between Jewish self-identification as liberals and Jewish support of a far-right supremacist state.
Now, this doesn’t bother Jewish tactical liberals, ones who are Jewish Firsters and using liberalism as an instrument to deracinate whites. But for principled liberals like Glenn Greenwald, it does matter. And it’s the latter who are far more admirable, not only in their defense of justice for Palestinians but defense of free speech all around.
This is also not a left vs right issue. For most of 20th century, leftism wasn’t anti-white. Communist Russia didn’t denounce whites. It only opposed white or Western imperialism and white supremacism. But it didn’t favor non-whites over whites. But then, Soviet Union, especially later, didn’t favor Jews either.
The anti-white turn in leftism happened in the capitalist West, especially in the US under Jewish watch, and this position has usually been favored by Jewish tactical liberals than by principled leftists. For most of US history, the left denounced white supremacism without denouncing the white race. It was the Jewish element that increasingly racialized leftism to favor certain identities over others. But then, in its racial or ethnic favoritism, it isn’t leftist universalist but tribal-rightist in leftist wrapping.
People like Jimmy Dore see through this. The leftists protesting Israel are to be lauded for breaking out of the spell of false leftism that was based more on identity politics than ideological consistency. Instead of condemning all forms of supremacism, the tendency was to pretend that some groups are forever-victims, thereby to be always favored by the Left committed to the underdog.
But in the current conflict, only a fool would think Jews are the underdog while Gazans are the overdog.
In other words, these leftists are being ant-racist across the board. Stand up for Jews when Jews are victimized but call out the Jews when they victimize others.
Now, if Sailer is against racism for any people, he needs to face up to the fact that US has long been racist in favor of Jews.
If he condemns anti-white racism while accepting anti-Palestinian racism, then his argument isn’t for real.
national battle between the Diverse and the Jews
This avoids the most salient point. Over what issue is there a division between Jews and the Diverse?
Should we treat the conflicts on a case by case basis or should we always side with Jews or with Diversity(at odds with Jews)?
Could it be that in some cases, Jews have the better argument. In other cases, Diversity has the better argument.
What is being implied is that whites must side with Jews on the basis of their identity regardless of the issues. But such blind loyalty to Jews is what led to Jewish contempt for white weakness and cravenness.
The current conflict is over Gaza and the Palestinian issue in general. Now, Sailer in his Chronicles article condemns anti-white racism. By racism, it’s assumed he means favoring one race at the expense of another. So, under citizenist guidelines, whites should neither be favored or disfavored over other American citizens.
If we should be anti-racist across the line, how can anyone believe the US hasn’t been racist on the Israel-Palestine issue, far favoring Jews over Palestinian at just about every turn?
Why does Sailer oppose anti-white racism but tacitly support racism that favors Jews over Palestinians? Are whites somehow better and undeserving of racist dehumanization but Palestinians deserve such treatment at the hands of Jews backed by whites?
If Sailer really wants to be anti-racist, he must condemn any favoritism of Jews over Palestinians in the US and abroad. If not, he’s just being hypocritical.
From a purely tactical viewpoint, whites may want to support Jews on the basis of Jewish power and talent. But this would work only on a ‘I scratch your back, you scratch my back’. But over the years, the white-Jewish ‘alliance’ has been based on ‘I kiss your backside, you stab my back’. Unworkable. Not only has Jewish Power stabbed whites in the back but supposed Christian Conservatives like Mike Johnson have also done the same. Greg Abbott has done little to stem the tide of Mayorkas minions while sending in stormtroopers to crush protesters.
On the Israel-Palestinian issue, it should be obvious. Diversity is in the right. Zionism is Jewish supremacism over Palestinians, and the US has favored Jews over Palestinians regardless of whatever might have happened.
Instead of thinking, “Should we side with Jews or with Diversity?”, we need to approach the issues on a case by case basis. Side with Jews when Diversity is crazy, side with Diversity when Jews are crazy. Netanyahu and the men around him are crazy.
True, Hamas is full of extremists, but the Palestinian resistance is more understandable given Palestinians have been living in ghetto conditions forever, and furthermore, the land theft continues apace in West Bank.
If US had the right to invade and bomb the hell out of Afghanistan over 9/11, why don’t Palestinians have the right to be angry and outraged by what was done to them? In the US, few buildings were knocked down. In Palestine, an entire people have been displaced and dehumanized.
Also, it’s not just a Jews vs Diversity issue but a Jews vs Jews issue, especially a generational one, especially as Israel has turned very hardline over the years.
There is a inner battle within the Jewish community because of the contradiction between Jewish self-identification as liberals and Jewish support of a far-right supremacist state.
Now, this doesn’t bother Jewish tactical liberals, ones who are Jewish Firsters and using liberalism as an instrument to deracinate whites. But for principled liberals like Glenn Greenwald, it does matter. And it’s the latter who are far more admirable, not only in their defense of justice for Palestinians but defense of free speech all around.
This is also not a left vs right issue. For most of 20th century, leftism wasn’t anti-white. Communist Russia didn’t denounce whites. It only opposed white or Western imperialism and white supremacism. But it didn’t favor non-whites over whites. But then, Soviet Union, especially later, didn’t favor Jews either.
The anti-white turn in leftism happened in the capitalist West, especially in the US under Jewish watch, and this position has usually been favored by Jewish tactical liberals than by principled leftists. For most of US history, the left denounced white supremacism without denouncing the white race. It was the Jewish element that increasingly racialized leftism to favor certain identities over others. But then, in its racial or ethnic favoritism, it isn’t leftist universalist but tribal-rightist in leftist wrapping.
People like Jimmy Dore see through this. The leftists protesting Israel are to be lauded for breaking out of the spell of false leftism that was based more on identity politics than ideological consistency. Instead of condemning all forms of supremacism, the tendency was to pretend that some groups are forever-victims, thereby to be always favored by the Left committed to the underdog.
But in the current conflict, only a fool would think Jews are the underdog while Gazans are the overdog.
In other words, these leftists are being ant-racist across the board. Stand up for Jews when Jews are victimized but call out the Jews when they victimize others.
Now, if Sailer is against racism for any people, he needs to face up to the fact that US has long been racist in favor of Jews.
If he condemns anti-white racism while accepting anti-Palestinian racism, then his argument isn’t for real.
Where did you get that from?
Zionists vs Muslims/Leninists/POCs?
Ask me if I care.
It’s Columbia here in our NYCentric media, of course.
And then there’s Yale, up the road here in Connecticut. It is featured in our state news now, with the very same kind of events.
I also tune into a streaming Denver news channel, and naturally their best reports are coming from campuses like mine in Boulder. This morning some University of Colorado student group gave a live press conference on the quad they are occupying.
Hey, remember federalism. I seem to recall very recent discussions about that. What is happening now is across America on many campuses, each one of which is prominent in its state.
Bari Weiss’ resignation, supposedly to oppose “wokeness” in general was clearly a kite for zionists to warn them about this. “What will we do when the eye of wokeness turns on Israel? How do we stop #DefundTheIDF from trending? We have to shut it down!” Interestingly none of the MSM dared to mention this obviously important context. Steve once collected the best examples of the Jewish Gen X lesbian formerly married to Kate McKinnon Amalek-posting revealing her actual problem with wokeness.
https://www.unz.com/isteve/my-favorite-bari-weiss-tweet
There are three things which make this novel.
1. The scale and length of Israeli atrocities and the scale of US involvement, either by the heavily Jewish and neocon Biden admin (A kind of counter-revolutionary movement against the extremely rhetorically Zionist but anti-neocon war in Syria and war on Russian Trump admin.) experienced the same crazed hysteria other Jews did (All of Biden’s daughter and son in laws are/were Jewish.) and just sent over 2 carriers and endless weapons and rhetoric support as if the Hamas attack in any sane world represented a greater military threat to Israel. (Outside one motivated by an insane response by Israel) Alternatively the neocon side of things saw the opening was there for the regional war and one last hurrah against Syria and Iran. Outright committing a second Nakba has always been the supposed red line that Israel couldn’t get away with but now they’re at it and the US is helping them any way it can.
2. The last time it was really big warcrimes o’clock for Israel was in 2014. During the 6-7 week Gaza “War” where *checks notes* 67 IDF soldiers and 5 Israeli civilians (And 1 Thai migrant worker) died and over 2100 Gazans, mostly civilians, died. This was just before the real emergence of the “Great Awokening”, the continuing casual polticisation of social media in the US with the mid-term elections of 2014. So we haven’t had Israel bombing stuff at this scale during that age of wokeness until now.
3. The intensity of the police response (To say nothing of where the new tone of anti-protest policing came from with the training being given by Israeli police and IDF over the last 20 years) and general expressions of the Israel and Jewish lobbies has been naked in the extreme. Particularly since it’s very easy to make comparisons to how the Floydists were treated in 2020. The power of these power structures is in their being hidden, nobody will ever say anything about Blinken’s ethnicity in terms of how it impacts his work even when he goes to Israel and says he comes there “As a Jew”. The key thing to understand is most normies don’t actually know the full extent of the support for Israel uber alles among Jews in the West. (Contra the paranoid or disingenuous Zionists who want to further the idea that criticism of Israel is hate speech. People really do make a distinction. But they’ll make less and less of a distinction as this goes on as they notice.) Many of them don’t know about the neocon conspiracy. It’s just a sea of things to notice now, it’s all out in the open and in your face.
Take this farce that took place in the British parliament. The current Labour leader who was installed after a Zionist coup replaced Corbyn after years of them insanely claiming he was antisemitic and enabling it and is a paid up tool of the lobby goes to the supposedly impartial speaker and gets him (Also a tool of the lobby, the son of the founder of the Labour Friends of Israel group) to throw out all procedure and impartiality to ensure no vote on a real ceasefire demand is put before the Labour party since it would exposed the rift between the bulk of the MPs and members and the senior leadership. It caused a massive freakout in parliament and the speaker went to hide and there was even talk of cutting the TV feed.
https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-parliament-descends-into-chaos-over-gaza-ceasefire-vote-2024-02-21
It’s all out in the open. I remember when CNN and Wolf Blitzer breathlessly told us about the first scandal of the Trump admin, taking place before he was even inaugurated. Kushner had had meetings with the Russian ambassador to the UN! What was never said was why. He had meetings with all the ambassadors for all the members of the security council and Israel. He did it on behalf of the Israelis. (Possibly to test the waters or talk about the US recognising Jerusalem as the capital of Israel) So what was actually a scandal of Israeli interference and influence became one of supposed Russian interference and influence. But you can’t get away with that now, people are watching. And more importantly, they are trying to make sense of something that doesn’t make sense outside of the Israel lobby and the success of the Israel lobby can’t be understood without understanding diaspora Jewish power and the existence of the neocon conspiracy to fill the apparatus of US foreign policy with Zionist Jews.
They don’t control social media (At least not enough) and are thus unable to defend this morally on there (Except by trying to convince everyone it’s okay because Jews are superior to everyone else) and it can be used to incite protests. This is going to be a long summer.
What happens when they start to understand the Ukraine war and immigration?
It’s all Bari Weiss’ nightmare.
Its been around since 1933.
It was easy to find many images of that particular paper online. There were also many other reports as it happened. It’s common knowledge. There was a massive BDS movement then on the part of Jews around the world in response to the abuses heaped upon their people in Germany.
I simply cannot ignore the similarities.
Human beings will always and forever create conflicts and suffering, unless they free their minds from the paradigms that separate them from each other. (And this may not ever happen, because there are real, natural differences!)
It doesn’t help when a people hold themselves as superior and separate, and when they indoctrinate their children into that mindset. We all tend to do this. That’s really too bad.
Do enough normies care about Israel and Gaza to sustain these protests? Lots of normies took George Floyd personally because normies include black people who have less-than-great feelings about police, so it was easy to keep those demonstrations alive. But who feels so personally affected by Gaza that they’ll protest all summer? Jewish people might, but they overwhelmingly side with Israel. Arabs root for the other side but they’re a relatively small minority. Your weird libertarian uncle who has LOTS to say about the Rothschilds —he cares, but he isn’t going to picket anybody. That leaves campus leftists and anarchist yahoos. And, at this point, normies seem to have a high tolerance for seeing those groups get their teeth kicked in by cops. I was initially concerned that we were headed for another summer of 2020, but after the UCLA beatdown, I’m not so sure.
And The University of Texas/Austin is not exactly a local community college.
Ahh…kids these days. Don’tcha just love ’em?
“Zionist S.A. brown shirts”
Historically a contradiction in terms– but I sure do love the irony.
Why no bananas?
As he promised in 2020, Joe Biden has brought Americans together.
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6352190223112
What is the suspicion about the pro-Israel “counter-protesters”, reportedly armed and masked, who attacked the UCLA encampment between 11pm and 3am? And the inaction of both city and campus police?
Well obviously, the Joohs (Jews Observant of Halakah) were behind it, but what was their shallow, short-sighted ulterior motive? Money? Universities don’t give money, they take it. To restore the mission of universities to seek the truth? To expose the hypocrisy of rich leftists damaging an expensive lawn? To defend Christian civilisation? Don’t make me laugh.
This was intended to put the fear of Israel into some category of non-Jews, but I cannot see who. The Uniparty? The education Blob? City government?
Somebody please enlighten me.
LOL that’s hilarious
Having been to the top of both I can tell you that the only way be thrown off the Burj al Arab is to be unable to cover your bill.
I know that things look differently from (right-wing) American perspective, but- campuses and Jews are not that important.
The real existential problem facing white peoples is a demographic threat of two unassimilable populations, Africans/blacks and Muslims. Campus circus is nothing in comparison with mass, threatening demonstrations of browns (Muslims) & blacks in big Western cities. Local antifa types plus gays etc. are just a small & impotent segment of these chaotic events that will necessitate, in all likelihood, some authoritarian measures, including deportations.
Muslims of any variety cannot live along any European ethnicity in relative peace. Nor can Africans.
Indians and Chinese are bearable, but only in small doses.
Dem Biden-campaign advisers are scrambling to find a way to “calm” the protesters, said a conservative reporter on the radio today. I’ve got news for them, calming the protesters will be like trying to baptize a cat. But wait, back in 2015 when Yale President Salovey had his office occupied by screaming, obese AA students, he found a way to calm them; get them the heck out of there. The secret sauce was: We pkedge to give you $50 million. It was for hiring ideologically sympathetic new faculty, stipends for visiting “scholars,” and on and on. I remember that only two or three years later, two dozen tenure-ladder, ideologically aligned faculty had already been hired. Great way to take over a university. It beats tents and poop all over the place it is much more dignified.
That entire impressive skyline made possible by infidel technology, built and maintained by imported infidel labor, and paid for with money given to them by infidels for oil discovered under their primitive camel-shit-dotted sand by infidels, and extracted and used for infidel industry which they cannot possibly conceive of. Without infidels, it’s tents and camel shit all the way down.
Back during the Oil Shocks, I never understood why the West was held hostage by OPEC — the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries. The West should have simply formed OPPC — the Organization of Petroleum Purchasing Countries. Their motto: “WE will tell YOU what the price of oil is going to be. Or else.”
OT — LOL.
Anon said,
Yeah, but I sure am.
Speaking of noticing, doesn’t it seem like the authorities are clamping down on these protests far quicker then they shut down BLM/antifa protests, occupations, just saying.
The only time I would see Ucla written exactly like that is when they publish the betting lines in the newspapers and the Bruins are the visiting team. By convention the home team is in all caps so for teams like UCLA and BYU they have to be stylized as Ucla and Byu to not confuse the issue.
The student protests in a nutshell.
Palestinians are oppressed.
Israel should exist.
Hamas is bad.
Oct 7 was terrorism.
Hostages must be returned.
Israel is committing war crimes.
I don’t see why the IDF doesn’t just bomb the protest camps themselves: Lawd knows the pu$$ies who run our “government” would let them into our air space in a heartbeat. If our borders are open, why shouldn’t our airspace be, too? We could let the Israelis bomb the students — they’ve already shown there’s nothing they won’t bomb — then land at our bases, where their planes could be serviced… and the pilots would be serviced, too.
Or better yet, Satanyahu could just order the USAF to bomb them, he is after all the real Commander-in-Chief.
Soy boy larping as a Ninja FAFO.
That’s where you are wrong.
UCLA is an elite university. They run Los Alamos btw.
Let’s call it the Battle of Royce Hall.
Students attacked by IDF baby killing veterans. Who them slink away back their penthouses on Wilshire and Westwood Blvd area.
Then the compromised LAPD and UCPD riot squad the bewildered students.
We are all Palestinians to these Jews.
I dunno. You just haven’t been yourself lately. Perhaps the constant war on reality is finally taking its toll?
You’re not supposed to notice that. You’re supposed to remark about how macho the Zionists are because they take Krav Maga classes. Smells like the JDL are back to me.
Good for the pro-Israel men of Los Angeles for letting the anti-Israel, anti-Semitic crowd know they won’t go unchallenged. I would like to see some more.
To the contrary, these have been positions I have stood for. Just took some time for you to NOTICE.
LMAO, Steve, what’s up with all of the angry posters recently?
President Biden was shown on the news tonight appearing to take a firm hand to maintain public order by shutting down campus demonstrations.
I assume this was done to contrast what many people thought was a weak response by President Trump during the BLM riots.
The Biden campaign has been spending a fortune running ads in the Detroit market, taking aim at women, saying that Biden “trusts” women to make abortion decisions.
This is done in clear in clear contrast to the nightly news references to the Trump call girl hush money trial.
Biden may be demented, but the DNC is not, and they are spending a fortune and it’s working.
Here’s the image we need to remember for future reference, a microcosm of their character:
This is Iran – Iraq to me
About 15 years ago my next door neighbor’s kid, who had a 4.+ GPA at the second highest academically rated high school in the DFW MSA and a 1,600 SAT was turned down by Rice for reasons of “diversity.”
Yeah, a real shitkicker school. During my infrequent visits to the campus I never saw a Stetson or a pair of Tony Lama’s.
I went to a shitkicker school. Shitkickers are friends of mine.
Rice is no shitkicker school.
The high point of Ronald Reagan’s political career came on May 15, 1969, when he had riot police shoot “student” rioters at UC Berkeley, killing one.
Video: How Gov. Ronald Reagan Dealt with UC Berkeley Rioters, and Their Tenured Accomplices
https://nicholasstixuncensored.blogspot.com/2017/10/video-how-gov-ronald-reagan-dealt-with.html
I think they are handling the abortion ban quite well. By introducing State constitutional amendments on the November ballot, they get what they want and also increase turnout for their side. Civil disobedience may make them lose support.
A similar event 54 years back might have helped Nixon politically and in reelection.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings
Mayber I am remembering it wrong, but I recall when UCLA used to be viewed (at least from the East Coast) as a midwit school for those West Coasters who couldn’t get into Stanford or Berkeley (perhaps the way East Coasters who failed to gain entrance to the Ivies/MIT/Duke went to NYU or Boston University).
While I know that the US News & World Report ranking is highly arbitrary, I was surprised to find that the latest iteration of it had UCLA tied with Berkeley at 15 (Rice is right underneath at 17): https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities
I hadn’t checked this list in years (perhaps at least a decade or more)
At 18, poor Dartmouth – the smallest of the Ivies – is in danger of falling out of the top 20 list completely (Columbia and Cornell have fallen out of the top 10 as well while Penn and Brown seem to have clawed their way back into the top 10 – HYP+MIT/Stanford continue their dominance and trade places at the very top).
Just imagine the hit to the endowment when the landscapers have to do some overtime.
Trained tank crews are much more important and valuable than any tank, let alone an old version of the M1. If the M1 is “mobility-killed,” I’d rather the crew evacuated quickly and evade capture/death.
That said, I pointed out repeatedly in the past:
1. Russians failed spectacularly in their early efforts to decapitate the Ukrainian state, despite having a good deal of the element of surprise.
2. Ukrainians fought unexpectedly well and even showed some degree of strategic elan when they re-took Kharkiv and Kherson.
3. I also rated the chance of Ukrainian success in the last summer offensive as low and stalemate as likely for the medium term.
4. Both sides suffered substantial losses in equipment and personnel.
5. The long-term strategic “correlation of forces” favors Russia, because it (re-) generates its own forces while Ukraine depends on the goodwill of its Western backers for much of the advanced equipment, which has an expiration date.
6. I also emphasized several times, however, that the chance of “total victory” for Russia is low as well. Even if there were a negotiated settlement that leaves much of Donbas in Russian hands, the rump Ukrainian state is likely to join NATO or some sort of a de jure Western alliance, leaving Russia with a ring of highly oppositional and militarized states (Finland, Sweden, Poland, Ukraine, and possibly Romania) and severed ties to the likes of Germany and France – a Pyrrhic victory, given the enormous losses in resources and manpower.
7. The big contingent event is the death of Putin and what kind of regime will arise to replace him in Russia.
The reports seem to indicate that the pro-Palestinian crowd is substantially made up of the students, but the pro-Israeli “counter-protesters” appear not to be student in the main. If true, who are these people? Are they just the “concerned citizens” from nearby villages who are incensed by “antisemitism”?
And if the encampment was still there 2 years from now?
They appear to be foreign military personnel operating as a unit against American lawful protesters on American soil.
For a nice salty comparison imagine they were PRC troops.
If I was the PRC I’d be bribing and Epsteining your politicians and journos with all my might to take control of America. The easy and cheap option.
O.T.
Apparently, in a recent speech, Joe Biden publicly berated India for ‘not taking in enough immigrants and thus jeopardizing economic growth’ (!!!!!!).
If there ever has been a more explicit demonstration of the sheer mental incapacity unfitness for high office stupidity of this man – possibly symptomatic of neurological degeneration engendered by Alzheimer’s Disease, it is this.
Of course, as the whole world and his brother knows, at this very moment *one billion* Indians, at least, have the most desperate wish of leaving the literal Hell of their birthplace.
Nah … Idi Amin did that all the time.
If you’re going to investigate Judea’s declared war on Hitler, you would be remiss to not be acquainted with Hitler’s “Haavara Agreement” to allow/facilitate German Jew’s immigration to Palestine, with their financial assets intact, and a railway system to be created between Germany and Palestine to allow the trade of goods between the newly arrived Jews of Palestine and Germany:
All the demented old goat was doing by running his senile mouth off was to reveal the real nature of the thinking amongst the powers-that-be behind the scenes, when the peasants are out of earshot. Guaranteed at top level policy determining discussions this is the normal talk, ie, “Immigration = Good”.
Another salient point is all the facts and evidence uncovered here regarding immigration scepticism – Schaeffer’s Number, the genesis of 2008 Financial Disaster etc etc, has absolutely no effect whatsoever on elitist discourse. They just keep driving along with their pig headed dogma.
What’s the main problem?
Most people here know that the vast majority of Jews support Biden and would vote for him again and push Great Replacement.
Is the main problem that Diversity is pushing back against the Jews or that whites are pushovers to the Jews?
If Jews are anti-white, shouldn’t whites be pushing back? Shouldn’t whites be doing what Diversity is doing?
It appears whites are really envious of Diversity for having courage to push back against Jews. It triggers whites because it exposes their cowardice and timidity before Jewish Power.
The Jews support the diverse as long as the diverse do as they are told.
“but- campuses and Jews are not that important.
The real existential problem facing white peoples is a demographic threat of two unassimilable populations, Africans/blacks and Muslims.”
This is a dodge. The reason blacks are such a problem, and the reason Muslims are even here to begin with to cause a problem, is precisely because of Jews. Jews are the primary architects of the destruction of America.
“Indians and Chinese are bearable, but only in small doses.”
But there will never be small doses, there will be very, very large doses… again, because of Jews.
“Trained tank crews are much more important and valuable than any tank”
That’s supposing that the crew was trained to start with. An Abrams tank is no magical weapon, without trained maintenance and operating crews, it’s just an expensive target.
“Russians failed spectacularly in their early efforts to decapitate the Ukrainian state,”
The initial idea of the SMO was to get Ukraine to negotiate, with permanent neutrality as the main goal.
“Ukrainians fought unexpectedly well”
I’ll give you that. Better than any NATO army in their shoes. But retaking Kherson and the Kharkov area was a pyrrhic victory, given how many men and equipment they lost then.
“I also rated the chance of Ukrainian success in the last summer offensive as low and stalemate as likely for the medium term.”
You were right about the first part, but wrong on the second. Does the battlefield look like a stalemate to you in May 2024? Admit it, the Ukrainian Summer counter-offensive was a crushing defeat both for Ukraine and for NATO. What’s worse, NATO knew it would fail but decided to order Ukraine to attack anyway, just to gain time, disregarding human losses. After all, wrecking old military equipment is good for the military industrisl complex.
“Even if there were a negotiated settlement that leaves much of Donbas in Russian hands, the rump Ukrainian state is likely to join NATO”
Newsflash, much of of the historically Russian territories, Kherson, Zaporozhye, Kharkov, Donbass are now legally part of the Russian Federation, same as Crimea, and are non -negotiable.
Also, what makes you think that the Ukrainian rump state will remain in the Western sphere? After an unconditional surrender, Russia will make sure to dismantle the 2014 Maidan regime and install a pro-Russian government, much like in Belarus.
“The big contingent event is the death of Putin and what kind of regime will arise to replace him in Russia.”
Putin is young compared to the American gerontocracy. Medvedev, who used to be president, is even younger. Both Putin and Medvedev are part of a political party, United Russia, which provides stability and a cadre of skilled politicians. Russia has stable political institutions, it’s not a one man regime, like Western propaganda would like us to believe.
Yep. And how remarkable that, apart from brief episodes like this one, UCLA (likewise Yale, USC, U Penn, U Chicago) can maintain itself as an oasis of gentility so contrasting to the city nearby. (UCLA somewhat less than the others as on most of its boundaries it’s still pretty nice.)
Surprisingly, Wikipedia in its article on UCLA seems to have virtually
no pop culture references, so here are a few
– Marilyn Monroe took some art classes at UCLA in 1951-52.
There are photos of her chatting with students in Kerckhoff
Hall (indubitably taken in the course of a photo shoot). There is an
interesting anecdote about Monroe and Kerouac. Marilyn was
a big book reader and had a sizable book collection. When Jack
Kerouac accidentally met Monroe at a film studio in the late 1950s
(by which time he was already famous as the King of the Beats),
all he could think of saying was, “You’ve got great legs.” She
naturally stormed off.
– Elvis Presley briefly enrolled in a Creative Writing class at UCLA
in 1962 but was mobbed so had to drop it.
– The standard lore at UCLA was that if you really tried, you could
actually see the Playboy Mansion in Holmby Hills (near Beverly Hills)
from the UCLA rooftops. UCLA sits right next to two of the richest
neighborhoods in the U.S. – Bel Air and Beverly Hills. It’s likely that
Hugh Hefner heavily recruited UCLA students for his Playboy Club
locations.
– In the 1960s UCLA was known as an apolitical party school. All the
action was at UC Berkeley. California was famous for its laid-back
lifestyle.
– In the 1960s there was no tuition at UCLA if you were a California
resident. There was something called the incidental fee which was about
$200 a year.
– In the early 1960s the population of California was 18 million.
Most of the So Cal population were newcomers from the Midwest
and the South, almost all white. It was a high trust society. As an
example, at UCLA you could go to Kerckhoff Hall (near the Student
Union), and find info about any UCLA student: name, major, list of
classes, and where and when they were held. It was all contained on
IBM punch cards, one for each of the 25 000 students. These days,
due mainly to diversity, high trust is completely gone.
Is it true that, on New Year’s Eve, California mass media choses to broadcast the 3 hour-old recording of the NYC Times Square ball lowering ritual, despite having showed it for almost a century, having broadcasted it live just three hours prior and being located on the proximity of “Westwood media nexus”? I doubt there’s absolutely nothing to show on a coast with tens of millions of individuals, some of them actually smart. It’s just that they don’t care as much.
And such a proponent of capitalism and laissex-faire went to a state school? You are another example of how socialism doesn’t work in real life, because the rich want to share only my things.
Excellent comment, as always. Only I don’t think Steve views this blog as explicitly editorial in nature.
Allergy season.
‘Four wives’ policy?
In all my years of study, I’ve never seen any evidence of this. The vast majority of Muslims are monogamous and have been throughout history, since The Qur’an is the only religious text that explicitly advocates monogamy. (Yes, you read that right.)
The Hanafi school — the most dominant in the Orthodox Islamic world today — is also more lenient about abortion than Catholics and other pro-life Christians, allowing it until the end of the first trimester.
Sure, immodesty in matters of sex is taboo, be one straight or gay. That definitely clashes with the more libertine mindset of the west.
While I appreciate the irony in which you bask, the underlying advocacy of the protestors concerns self-determination of a people — in the immediate case, Palestinians — rather than that of the individual. (Israel’s ‘right to exist’ sound familiar?) As Americans, our enjoyment of individual liberty is possible only if there’s some kind of social contract to safeguard it, and, like us, every other people should be allowed to work out the details of their own social contract for themselves, whether we agree with its parameters or not.
The only time another people become problematic is when they directly interfere in our right to determine the nature of our own social contract, and there just so happens to be a people who are doing this quite aggressively as we speak.
Clue: It ain’t Palestinians.
Cotton is a tumor on the body politic. A military background so he can appear to having given a shit about Americans, but completely compromised and utterly useless to his country of birth.
Exactly. I might be able to jump into a tank and drive it somewhere, but that is a lot different than being able to effectively “fight” it.
Modern weapons require training, spare parts, and maintenance. I think of this every time some moron says “Let’s give the Ukrainians F-16s! That’ll do it!” as if there’s a bunch of trained pilots waiting on the tarmac, along with a logistics tail of spare parts and trained technicians.
Russia’s goal was never to conquer Europe or all of the Ukraine, it was to stop the massacre of Donbas civilians and keep NATO away. They’ve pretty much already achieved that.
But hey. Zelensky’s goal was never to liberate or strengthen Ukraine (he’s said what he wants for Ukraine on several occasions), it was to sacrifice filthy goyim to Saturn as punishment for Kishinev, and he’s certainly achieved that in shocking and preventable numbers.
The 64,000 question is, who’s behind the protests?
If the U.S. government is not telling us who’s behind the protests, or that they are working hard to find out who’s behind the protests, it’s a safe bet that the U.S. government or its proxies are organizing the protests.
Why would the government support such protests? One theory is that it elicits sympathy for Israel, enabling them to continue their war against Gaza; this in turn enriches the U.S. Military Industrial Complex.
It’s the same reason we continue to support Ukraine.
In blue cities, the function of cops is to drive around and stand around, not to do any serious law enforcement or headbreaking. In a serious country, these lawbreaking encampments would have been cleared out in under an hour.
Maybe these things evolve naturally …
What’s up with your bizarre Russophobia?
Is it because South Korea is a little bitch of the Anglo-Zionist West and you’ve simply internalized the commands of your roundeye oppressors??
Or you feel so inferior since you can’t name one significant thing to come out of South Korea compared to Russia. Russia has given the world new fields of mathematics, scientific discoveries, great music, great literature, and on and on, while your native land has given the world what exactly? K-Pop? Kimchi? Kias??
Our guests really need to get a grip and behave themselves.
Yes. I went looking. It was a response to the Hitler and the Nazis coming to power.
It wasn’t literal war, it was a boycott type thing. And entirely reasonable under the circumstances.
I don’t agree with this:
“It doesn’t help when a people hold themselves as superior and separate, and when they indoctrinate their children into that mindset.”
19 year olds who disagree with me? No.
19 years olds who disagree with me, are occupying private property and refusing to leave? Yes, nonlethal ammunition should be an option.
19 year old foreigners who disagree with me, are occupying private property and are refusing to leave? Yes, nonlethal and lethal ammunition should be options.
Hope that clarifies.
If this is true then why have the protests been going on for months? And not just in the US either. Plenty here in Canada and elsewhere.
Wars begin with boycotts and sanctions.
A good way of detecting bias in oneself (or in others) is to be alert for questioning the provenance of something which turns out to be true. Especially when such questioning is accompanied by a later assertion of “I went looking.” If you looked, great. Then tell us what you found rather than question.
Here is a version from the Internet Archive.
This link gives some context.
https://time.graphics/event/5699116
This article has more. Including text quotes and two versions of the front page (Buzz Mohawk posted the evening edition version).
https://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Judea_Declares_War_on_Germany
This page has a full transcription of the article.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-17720.html
P.S. Did you know that in most states there are restrictions on boycotting Israel?
https://www.newsweek.com/pro-palestinian-protest-states-colleges-illegal-bds-1895292
I think “de jure” is wrong in this context unless here it means “in name only”? But you accurately reflect the fact that according to the Holy Book Of NATO Doctrine, a country in the middle of a war is not currently eligible to join. The recent expansion of NATO was a mistake in my view, it’s outlived its purpose. On the bright side, we’ve now had a demonstration of the possibility of decades without a major intra-European war. “Major” here meaning “one I care about.” Lower Slobovia can do as it likes.
Is this supposed to be clever? Israel has been dropping bombs on hospitals and refugee camps for months. They’ve been murdering women and children for months. They’ve been murdering the people trying to document the slaughter (journalists) and the people trying to help the victims (aid workers) for months. All these actions are funded and supported by the USA while the USA also shields them diplomatically from the consequences of their actions.
It doesn’t take an American to be outraged by this.
It is true to judge by the pro-Israel protesters who are interviewed in the local news coverage that Clifford Brown posted above.
By the way, Steve, they look several shades more diverse than these young woman and man at UT.
https://www.axios.com/local/austin/2024/04/24/ut-protests-israel-palestine-university-texas-arrests
So what do you say of the latter now? “Real friends” of the Jews? Real enemies of iSteve?
Your attempt to make these anti-Israel protests about race is just as absurd as your previous attempt to make the Ukraine War about race.
https://www.unz.com/isteve/japans-ministry-of-defense-wars-of-conquest-are-no-longer-allowed/
(Behold French Guiana is “white adjacent”, while Belarus is “anti-white”. South Korea is white-adjacent while North Korea is anti-white. Taiwan is white-adjacent while China is anti-white. More than half of Africa lean white-adjacent, as do most of Southeast Asia.)
But at least in that case, Steve seems to genuinely believe that Ukraine has the moral high ground, so he naturally wants whites to bask in that warm glow, too.
But here, he is not saying that Israel has the moral high ground (indeed, he implied the opposite at the end of that post). He just thinks Jews control America, so he tries to portray whites as being on their side, just so that they may change their ways and become more accommodating to white interests in the future. The sheer cynicism of it.
This blog has made me a lot more racist over the years, so it’s only fitting that it’s now making me less racist by the day. If this is racism (or racialism, or HBD, or “civic nationalism” — hah!), you can keep it.
So you are OK with something like Jim Crow?
Clearly there are levels of doing that. For me, Buzz’s statement is missing the key component of how others are to be treated. Here are three versions for a thought experiment. Anyone have other examples to suggest?
– Jim Crow
– noblesse oblige
– The Chosen
Pretty much, yeah. IDF scum but so hard to feel for the protestors.
What a mess we’ve made.
I’m very far from being an “anti-semite”, whatever that means, but it’s impossible not to look at what’s happening and not wonder if there is something wrong with the Jewish establishment as a collective.
Paranoia? Delusions of grandeur? Something else?
I mean, these are the SAME PEOPLE that basically cancelled Russia over the war in the Ukraine. Everything even just remotely Russian was cancelled. They blocked Russian media. They took over Russian assets. They even robbed me of a few Gazprom stocks that I owned that were delisted.
But now, for merely questioning Israel’s actions in Gaza, students are arrested and their protests silenced. Google employees are fired. Some new law about silencing criticism of Israel is floated.
The is exactly the opposite as in the Ukraine — everything and everyone against Israel is being cancelled.
But we’re not supposed to “notice”.
If only we could send them all home.
SoCal just doesn’t produce cops like the Simi Valley Four anymore.
Dan Crenshaw breaks in. “Am I NOTHING to you?”
#97 @muh muh:
They also believe in shooting Marion Berry in any trimester.
Trump was absolutely not effective during the 2020 protests and riots, which eventually helped him be defeated. It’s one of the major reasons he has not earned my vote yet.
Somehow you forget that Hamas murdered 1,200 Israelis, including babies and grandmothers, and raped many women. It was the largest mass murder of Jews since the Holocaust. And Israel is now doing what it needs to in rooting out the terrorists. Yeah, it sucks that lots of people die in war. Next time don’t start one with a country that can take you down.
“Some of them will have a rude awakening.
They’ll have plenty of company.
“The initial idea of the SMO was to get Ukraine to negotiate, with permanent neutrality as the main goal.”
Is that what the old Roulette-wheel-o’-lame-excuses-for-invading is saying this week? You sure it’s not trying to be Peter the Great? Or the one about how narco-maniacs have taken over Kyiv? What about neo-fascists, and the sidesplitting claim that it is Russia, of all places, that has the moral right to be preaching to others about that.
If the goal was getting Kyiv to negotiate, why does Putin’s own personal envoy say he had an agreement in place before the war began that would have kept Ukraine out of NATO (at which point, he chose to invade anyway).
That’s one of the confusing/frustrating things about Steve’s blog. Steve is kinda cagey about what he’s supposed to be adding or not in terms of his own insight and opinion.
Surely, he’s not intending it to be an objective “just the facts, ma’am” reporting of events. The whole idea is that he’s somehow adding his own iSteve perspective and analysis.
Sometimes he’ll be clear about what he thinks. (For example, I know he’s not a fan of autogynophiliacs and that he endorses the CIA story of who blew up the Nordstream pipeline.).
Sometimes he’ll endorse what some third party says, or do the exact opposite by holding it up for ridicule. Or, quite often, he’ll conspicuously ignore certain big issues altogether (like Gaza).
Maybe it’s part of his plan to keep people guessing about what he actually thinks. But is this the plan because he’s trying to hide his true opinion? Because he doesn’t actually have an opinion? Because he doesn’t think his opinion should matter? Or, to make guessing his opinion part of the game?
An enigma wrapped in a riddle.
And that was before Norway, Scotland, and Alberta hit it big!
He’s going further than I thought he would — and to be fair to him, he may be genuinely ambivalent.
If only as an abstract proposition, I’m prepared to grant that intelligent people may sincerely hold different opinions than I do. I mean, he’s wrong, of course — but I try not to hold it against him.
It is going around where I live…
Because the two year old story you cite was planted Fake News, denied by both Russia and Ukraine and never corroborated by anything.
In the story, Reuters differentiates between the three unknown sources and the sources for other facts that it has actually “interviewed.” In other words, they never spoke to the three alleged sources.
The whole fake story was thus handed to Reuters by an anonymous entity who claimed to have secret access to three spies “close to Russian leadership.” I wonder who that was? LOL.
Four wives are permitted provided the man can support them all. This tends to restrict it to wealthy men and the vast majority have only one wife.
Russia once threatened to gobbling up both Manchuria and Korea
Illustration depicting a Cossack raid on a Korean village during the Russo-Japanese War, 1904.
That’s BS. Unlike the propaganda you cite, the Istanbul agreement is set on paper, is public, and has been certified as authentic by all three parties.
So 50,000 Jews escaped. Not many compared to the millions who died.
Me either.
Zionism vs Identity Politics*
Or,
Two trash trucks hitting each other at a 100 mph.
*The irony here is that Identity Politics is Zionism for The Coalition of The Fringes.
I did go looking and discovered it was a boycott by Jews related to the election of Hitler.
As for my supposed biases, no doubt they exist but I wonder about the biases of someone who supports that loon Ron Unz about anything.
I’ve read several of his pieces and they’re all absurd.
Ucla uses this capitalization scheme on some of their sportswear.
https://shopcollegewear.com/products/new-agenda-3001dh-045113-ucla-tale-royal-gd-bruins
Russia’s goal was… [to] keep NATO away. They’ve pretty much already achieved that.
Russia’s invasion has revived and expanded NATO, likely eventually to a rump Ukraine. Major blunder.
It certainly clarifies how insane you are.
“Because the two year old story you cite was planted Fake News, denied by both Russia and Ukraine and never corroborated by anything.”
Any links or other evidence that this was denied by Ukraine other than desperately wishing it were so?
I didn’t think so.
I mean, the article itself contains denials from Peskov. Is that denial the “fake news” you were referring to? And let me get this straight — a denial from Putin’s PR shill makes you LESS likely to believe it happened? Hmm. As for Ukraine, the article notes:
Again, outside your fevered imagination, refusing to affirm is not nearly the same thing as denying.
“In the story, Reuters differentiates between the three unknown sources and the sources for other facts that it has actually ‘interviewed.’ In other words, they never spoke to the three alleged sources.”
No — again, you’re desperately grasping at straws. The article specifically cites one of the other sources: “‘Putin simply changed the plan as he went along,’ said one of the sources close to the Russian leadership.” They could have ended that with “according to so-and-so”. They didn’t. Earlier, the article notes that “Two of the three sources said a push to get the deal finalized occurred immediately after Russia’s Feb. 24 invasion…”. You think the fact that only 2 out of 3 corroborated that part implies that all this is second-hand? Your reading comprehension is nuts.
The article also notes:
If Putin’s own appointees are participating in faked news campaigns against him, it’s time for him to admit he’s outmatched and needs to pack it in. That’s what the fanboys have been saying from the start about what should happen when one party is clearly outgunned by another.
Wotanyahu
Russia’s goal was never to conquer Europe or all of the Ukraine, it was to stop the massacre of Donbas civilians and keep NATO away.
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You should insist on fees for utterances like this.
You know, I knew one man who escaped. He even skied over the Alps at one point to get to Switzerland.
Yes, my old friend sat with me and drank his cappuccinos on Pearl Street in the year 1987. He knew how to nurse his, having the waitress come back and pour more coffee in it.
I was publishing what was called a “zine” then. Mine was free, printed on black-and-white paper and distributed free with other things. (With things like my future girlfriend’s porno-sex-adult paper.)
That man was a writer, and that is why I befriended him and published some of his stories. (They were all 20th-century modernist things. I loved some of them. One ended thus, “This is the end of the ninth, which is not a story, but simply is.”)
He had lunch with Guillaume Apollinaire.
Let that sink in.
My friend was publishing his own “zine” then in Europe between the wars. His was called “Ma,” which meant “Today” in his Hungarian. It was a modernist art magazine in an exciting time. Mine was nothing in comparison.
When I knew him, he was an old man living in a convalescent apartment in Boulder, Colorado. He even told me about sex. We talked about everything, and I made friends with his son. When the father died, I was invited to his funeral and to speak with everyone else who knew him.
Again, he was a Jew.
He “escaped,” yes. Then he became a draftsman for an engineering company and he was on a team that designed part of the Apollo Lunar Module. That’s right, my old, Jewish, artist, writer friend, who skied over the Alps to escape the Nazis, designed at least some parts of America’s lunar lander.
So, my point is, if I have one at all…
Well, at this point I don’t even know what my point is.
Think about this whenever you think you have a point at all.
Do you believe that Russia would tolerate NATO in the Ukraine, at the same time that Ukrainian politicians ban Russian language and Orthodoxy and set up CIA bases near the border?
Here’s a labour-saving device you might use to make these low effort posts for you:
https://www.astrology.com/compatibility/fortune-cookie.html
That would tend to steer population growth toward more intelligent, productive and successful people — at least if we look at it in a eugenic way; and, after all, what farmer or animal breeder doesn’t?
The best I got was two girlfriends who shared me and (jokingly?) suggested we three share my nice apartment in the best part of town.
So, I only scored a 2. I feel bad about this.
Of course, I couldn’t support them. They both had jobs anyway: one was a waitress, and the other was her restaurant manger who also was an “escort” on the side — so they could share the costs. (I’ve written about them here. It’s true.)
Alas, I didn’t follow up on that… I’m kicking myself now.
There might be more than meet the eyes about these protests from what I read on that article.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/college-fraternities-rise-against-marxist-protesters-chanting-socialist-takeover-america
And there was interesting replies to a tweet then Catturd did about the protests.
Dude, you literally don’t understand the difference between “something happened” and “a little birdie told me that somebody else told him that something happened.”
Yes it was. Do you not understand that today’s attempt at BDS is because of what Israel (or “Netanyahu” if you prefer that as an analogy to the evil devil Hitler) is doing right now to tens of thousands of children, mothers, nurses, doctors, fathers, men and boys in Gaza?
What is happening right now there is actually less than that election to which you correctly refer!
Okay, so, on 10/7 was it?… some hostages were taken. More were killed, many from friendly fire.
Do you know what any animal will do when it is cornered or trapped or held hostage. Do you know what really has been going on for years in “Israel” and its surroundings?
It’s shit. That’s what is is, and it has been made possible by “my” country, with my tax money.”
I should think that Americans, even students, have some business arguing with that fact.
Listen: I remember as a boy the protests and agita in my America during the Vietnam War. It was stupid. Just more stupid American foreign policy. What we have now is equally stupid, and students have every right and reason to protest against it.
I menaged to save that link on Archive.today. https://archive.ph/t1eHk
You raise a good moral point. There shouldn’t necessarily be anything wrong with feeling that you, your kind, or your creed, is “superior” to the alternatives. Indeed, everyone should aspire to seek out what’s “superior.” What else are you going to do, try to be immoral, mediocre, or worse than average?
But one’s natural quest for superiority could manifest itself by either: (a) harming other people (e.g., keeping them as slaves); (b) helping other people (e.g., generating societal wealth or making scientific discoveries); or (c) being neutral towards other people (e.g., withdrawing into yourself or your separate community.)
The Amish believe their lifestyle and belief system are morally, spiritually (and maybe functionally), superior to society at large. But they aren’t hurting anybody by following their path to “superiority.”
If the Chosen were just living on their communal kibutzm and minding their own business like the Amish, no one would be harmed. But the way it’s worked out, their diaspora has to politically control the United States so that our resources can be used to conquer and control their enemies on the other side of the world.
No one can deny this is happening — the only argument is trying to convince people that this is a good thing.
From the 1933 Article:
My understanding is that the anti-German private boycott rapidly fell apart (as private boycotts always do). But just as today, the Jewish Lobby (you couldn’t yet call it the “Israel Lobby”) got an infinitely higher ROI from simply paying off Western politicians.
As David Irving documented, the Jewish Lobby put Churchill (who was broke) on retainer to lobby single-mindedly for an anti-German and pro-war policy. The rest, as they say, is history.
OPEC was about OPEC countries recouping some of their lost purchasing power during the time Nixon’s shuttered the gold window. “You devalue the dollars we sold you oil in? Then we have to charge more dollars for oil.”
Not so complicated afterall, but the US was not about to ever explain this to the public. The public finally figured it out – decades later – after their purchasing power was cut in half by the time retirement rolled around.
That’s one particular interpretation, though the actual caveat is equitable treatment, a bar too high to reach for most men, making monogamy all but certain.
“Dude, you literally don’t understand the difference between ‘something happened’ and ‘a little birdie told me that somebody else told him that something happened.’
You don’t have to use words like “dude” to let me know you have the analytical skills of a stoned out surfer. I already sussed that out well enough, and I daresay the 420-bro lingo and reasoning is not impressing anyone but those too stupid to come up with anything less pathetic. Read the actual article next time, and stop retconning it with wishful thinking.
The “birdie” in this case is Putin’s personally appointed “chief envoy on Ukraine” who “told the Russian leader as the war began that he [i.e., HE HIMSELF] had struck a provisional deal with Kyiv that would satisfy Russia’s demand that Ukraine stay out of NATO…But, despite earlier backing the negotiations, Putin made it clear when presented with Kozak’s deal that the concessions negotiated by his aide did not go far enough and that he had expanded his objectives to include annexing swathes of Ukrainian territory, the sources said. The upshot: the deal was dropped.”
The so-called birdie’s claims (which, given that he himself struck the deal, only to be rebuffed by Putin, are more a case of straight from the horse’s mouth than anything bird-like, to the extent your THC-pickled brain can’t get beyond Old McDonald’s farm metaphors) were verified by three other birdies close to the Russian leadership.
Next time, put the bong down, and THEN read.
Fake story. The demonstrators are not interested in practicing any religion at all. One time participation in a call to prayer does not mean they have converted.
It’s insane how easily people on both sides fall for these fake stories.
Since 2018 the Los Alamos labs have been administered by Triad National Security, LLC, a joint venture between Battelle Memorial Institute, the University of California, and Texas A&M University. Any previous connection to the UC system was with Berkeley and its associated Livermore lab.
“any religion” may be interesting, for a while. Islam is a major pain in the butt. Prayer five times a day, fasting for a month in a year, stop consuming pork and alcohol. Third class existence if you are a woman. All for what? Killing some random infidel for the promise of 72 virgins in paradise. No thanks for most of those demonstrators.
Is this supposed to supported by hard data?
‘Cause I followed the links and couldn’t find any.
All I read was conjecture based on one person’s personal observations.
From what I’ve seen of the most recent data, in America, those leaving Islam are typically from among the immigrant population, while a roughly equal number of American citizens convert.
Those charged with dispatching hudud criminals may see things differently.
The author of this article at the Jewish magazine Tablet complains praises Trump and complains about Obama and his apparent clone Biden for destabilizing the Middle East according to a theory that they should empower Iran.
The Ayatollahs of Iran despise Israel and fund Hamas.
If the Jews are controlling Biden, they don’t seem overly concerned about Israel. Doesn’t quite seem to fit the theory I read here constantly.
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/saving-hamas
It comes naturally to his kind.
Under Japanese rule, his ilk loyally served Japanese imperialism and slaughtered countless people in China.
Then, his kind came under American rule and went to Vietnam and committed a 1000 Mylais.
Dogs without agency, doing whatever they were ordered to do.
Now, his kind growl and bark at whatever Zionist-infested US hates.
Dogs have no agency.
Don’t worry. The student protesters are supporting Hamas. The iron laws of Islam will not apply… at least not now.
The ultimate goal remains the conversion of the entire planet to Islam but they’re not stupid. The current goal to get rid of Israel and students are helping.
You are aware, are you not, that Israel – the Israeli Government – helped to promote Hamas:
Netanyahu cheered on our war against Saddam Hussein – encouraged us to invade Iraq. The result of that was the destruction of Hussein’s regime and of Iraq as a counterweight to Iran.
How do you explain that?
Maybe Israel isn’t actually as concerned about Iran as they claim to be.
There’s a lot of great-game-of-nations rug-merchant action going on there. I don’t pretend to understand it all. What I am certain of is that it’s none of our business and that getting involved in it doesn’t help this country – my country.
al-Qaradawi is using the Arabic term ‘irtidad’, but the English ‘apostacy’ — in the sense of merely leaving the religion — doesn’t quite capture the meaning of the word as it was originally understood.
Islam’s formative years saw Muslims faced with numerous existential threats. Typically, those who had pledged allegiance to Muhammad and subsequently broke their oath sided with the Quraysh or other parties seeking to eliminate Muslims in toto or, alternatively, force them to abandon their faith. It is this action that constitutes ‘irtidad’, an apostacy accompanied by armed opposition.
That there were contemporaries of Muhammad who left the religion without being executed is a matter of record in the annals of Islamic history.
For further investigation:
Apostasy in Islam: A Historical and Scriptural Analysis
https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctvk8w22r
Something tells me worldtruthsummit.com isn’t so interested in these details. Professing an interest in truth, do you think they’ll host any seminars on the Talmud’s content concerning Jesus and his mother anytime soon?
No, dude, you can’t read. The “birdie” is the person at the CIA who told this silly story to the reporter at Reuters. The reporter never talked to Putin’s “chief envoy” and doesn’t claim to have done so. Google the term “hearsay” if you are still unclear about the distinction.
“Indeed, everyone should aspire to seek out what’s “superior.” What else are you going to do, try to be immoral, mediocre, or worse than average?”
There’s a difference between seeking out what is superior and seeking to be superior. Because the former group is made up of immoral, mediocre, and worse than average types (negroes, subcons, mestizos, etc) who specifically move themselves into productive and prosperous places (where da white womenz at) to take advantage.
OTOH, as we hand over power to incompetent obese negresses, we observe that seeking to be superior can attract the same worse than average types.
Simpleton or liar.
Zionists claimed to want to move Jews to Israel.
Chaim Arlosoroff a Russian Empire born Jew who settled in Mandate Palestine arranged with Hitler to move 300,000 Jews (the entire Jew population of Germany) to Mandate Palestine. After Arlosoroff struck the deal with the Germans he returned to Mandate Palestine and was murdered by Beitar assassins under the orders of Zeev Jabotinsky, a Zionist based in Warsaw and founder of Beitar (Brit Trumpeldor).
Zionists were much more concerned about dominating Berlin in the 1930s than actually moving large numbers of Jews to Palestine. Controlling Berlin meant controlling Europe. Moving German Jews to settle in Tel Aviv and Haifa meant losing control of Germany. So Arlosoroff was killed by Zionists.
This is tha suppressed truth about the dynamic of Zionism in the 1920-40 period. Today Zionism is both the settled wing in Israel and the Diaspora wing exerting control over the UK US and France.
How do I explain that? Different times, different policies. And perhaps not very smart policies.
But do you admit that if Jews are controlling Biden they don’t seem to be doing a very good job?
This is my complaint: the constant repetition of “Jews control the US.” Clearly they don’t.
“No, dude, you can’t read. The ‘birdie’ is the person at the CIA who told this silly story to the reporter at Reuters.”
There would need to be at least three of them given that the article cites “three people close to the Russian leadership”. If the CIA has managed to install or turn three people close to the Russian leadership, then that’s a whole other story in and of itself, and not particularly favorable to your boy in Moscow.
That being said, the article also lists a claim made by only one of the sources:
and before that, it also notes that “Two of the three sources said a push to get the deal finalized occurred immediately after Russia’s Feb. 24 invasion.”
I’ll give you that Kozak “did not respond to requests” regarding the article, which does explain why he hasn’t fallen out of a high-rise window and why technically, “Kozak remains in his post as Kremlin deputy chief of staff”. But the only denial here is from Peskov, who in the course of his duties denies a lot of things. Again, to all but the trolls, when they say believe nothing until it has been officially denied, that’s precisely the kind of denial they mean. As I said, the Ukrainians didn’t even deny it, and instead just refused to affirm, because back when this was published they weren’t too proud of the fact that they had actually entertained the notion that Putin was willing to negotiate anything, but then again, a man with a gun to his head can hardly be faulted for desperately hoping the one holding the gun might be willing to strike a deal. So much for chirping birdies.
“those leaving Islam are typically from among the immigrant population, while a roughly equal number of American citizens convert.”
You mean like the “Americans citizens” one who join up in prison? Those don’t tend to stick around either. And yeah, given what Islam says should be done to those who give up on Islam, not all of them are willing to be all that chatty about their re-reversion, but feel free to keep burying your head in the sand.
“those leaving Islam are typically from among the immigrant population, while a roughly equal number of American citizens convert.”
You mean like the “Americans citizens” one who join up in prison? Those don’t tend to stick around either. That’s actually he group the imam behind these stats works with. And yeah, given what Islam says should be done to those who give up on Islam, not all of them are willing to be all that chatty about their re-reversion, but feel free to keep burying your head in the sand.
Here’s the explicit reddit link that didn’t render well earlier, since Unz has a thing about linking to reddit. Just change each annoying (dot) to a period:
http://www.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/comments/3c8yvf/75_of_reverts_leave_islam_within_a_few_years/
From the cited New Statesman article. As noted, there’s no hard data, but the people asserting the claim have standing:
This is like “jihad merely means ‘struggle’”– even if valid, it doesn’t matter if a large portion of a billion adherents– and states comprising a couple hundred million– take it the other way.
Moslems, by the way, object to our term crusade, leading to the cancellation of numerous school mascots among other things. As if there is no difference between Billy Graham and Richard the Lionheart. How long will St George’s Cross survive?
Can you recommend any good discussions of Schaeffer’s Number? I see it referenced here.
https://www.unz.com/isteve/what-are-the-most-useful-data-points-to-memorize/#comment-1268639
With much more detail in this iSteve post.
https://www.unz.com/isteve/alex-tabarroks-open-borders-and-the-welfare-state-vs-peter-schaeffers-comment-tsunami/
Do you know of a source with the detailed calculation? Or an updated version for today? I am not seeing MR comments from PS since 2016. Is this him?
https://www.linkedin.com/in/peter-schaeffer-b76679b
I have trouble reconciling his $12/hour number with this.
https://aspe.hhs.gov/reports/effects-health-care-spending-us-economy-0
Using that with estimated full time workers in US and hours worked per year gives me half of his number.
1.67e12 / (134e6 * 2000) = 6.2
That might be reconciled using part time workers (and owners?), but I would like to see how he calculated it.
The exercise is about figuring out your own biases. And yes, I try to do that for myself. Regarding this.
So you think Ron is wrong about every single thing he writes about? Is there a better admission of bias?
Regardless of whether one agrees with Ron about everything (or nothing), he does a great job of articulating controversial points of view and supporting his points with evidence. I do wonder how much he is being intentionally provocative at this point.
P.S. Do you think ad hominems like “loon” add to or detract from conversations?
Well if by Wotanyahu you mean one-eyed half-blind egomaniacs who make world-destroying blunders, or who build a fortress and expect someone else to pay for it, then… why, yes.
As I recall, Peter Schaeffer came up with a detailed explanation of how he calculated this vital economic constant in a long and enlightening thread in Tyler Cowan’s ‘Marginal Revolution’ blog a good number of years ago – that’s the place to go searching for it.
Steve Sailer contributed to that particular thread and was mightily impressed by Peter Schaeffer’s scholarship.
That’s it then? Israel can just say “Sorry, my bad.” and move on?
Benjamin Netanyahu is now telling us that Hamas are the absolute worst people on the face of the Earth, and that we should help him in eradicating them. But he himself supported them – built them up as a counterweight to the Palestinian Authority as part of a squalid little game of divide and rule.
No, I’m not letting his government just walk away from that. The argument of “Sure that was a bad policy, but that was yesterday. Support me now in my current policies. You’ll be glad you did!” isn’t an argument that’s worth consideration. Maybe all their policies are bad. Maybe we shouldn’t support people who habitually author such bad policies. Maybe – and this is the most important thing – we shouldn’t get involved so intimately in the affairs of other countries and underwrite their squabbles with their neighbors.
First of all, I never said that “The Jews” are controlling Biden. Wealthy, powerful people control Biden, as indeed they control every US President. Some of them are Jews.
And why do you imagine that Biden is not delivering for Israel? He’s supporting them with military aid and diplomatic support. His government is blocking any formal action taken against Israel in international bodies like the UN. Yes, his government is uncomfortable with Israel’s overt campaign of the destruction of Gaza’s infrastructure and has urged restraint because it looks bad. But they (the US government) won’t really do anything about it. They will never stop military aid to Israel or sanction them economically. Biden’s administration is supporting Israel to the hilt without explicitly saying so. The only difference that would exist with a Republican administration is that they would say so.
Your complaint is with a straw man. Who here is saying this? Can you name them? Some do, but not all, not even nearly most. What a lot of people here do maintain is not that “Jews control the US” but that they have an outsized influence on this country and its government – far beyond what their numbers would suggest. Do you dispute that?
Why is it that every single politician with aspirations of national prominence (either being elected President or being a prominent, powerful member of Congress) makes a pilgrimage to Israel, gets photographed at the wailing wall, and speaks before AIPAC’s annual meeting? Why does every freshman class of Congress – both parties – go on a junket to Israel? Is such obeisance shown to any other country or ethnic group? Which ethnic group donates the most money to both political parties? (I’ll give you a hint – it isn’t Arabs). And why do they do that? Do they donate money in order to NOT exercise influence?
Most of the key cabinet positions in Biden’s government – State, Justice, Treasury, Homeland Security – are headed by members of a particular ethnic group. It isn’t the Irish. Does that fact tend to indicate that this ethnic group is NOT powerful?
State legislatures, and now the US Congress, are falling over each other to equate any criticism of Israel of of Jews as “anti-semitism”, despite having no legitimate authority to do so, and further to outlaw “anti-semitism”, despite the fact that doing so is a blatant violation of the 1st Amendment to the Constitution.
https://www.leefang.com/p/wave-of-legislation-seeks-to-penalize
Is that indicative of the ethnic group in question having little or no power in the United States? Do powerless people get to make criticism of them illegal?
How many Muslims have Israel and the United States killed just in the last five years?
Yes, I really think they do.
In other words, the so-called “boomers” didn’t make out like the bandits the younger ones here regularly accuse them of being.
Paul Craig Roberts (b. 1939) just waxed nostalgic about the “muscle cars” of sixty years ago. Those always seemed like big toys, two-door, impractical, not family-friendly. I wonder if the current fad for giant four-door pickups is a repeat of this. You rarely see them toting anything, even out here in the countryside.
They are awfully clean, even spotless, like the jeans people wear. Clean blue jeans also look like they mock the folks whose work makes them dirty and worn. Even the holes are fake!
It may not be as insulting where she lives:
Obama, too lazy to be a field Negro and too untrustworthy to be a house Negro, once said the U.S. had a high-ranking intelligence source in the Kremlin. To review:
First rule of having a high-ranking intelligence source in the Kremlin:
– Do not talk about having a high-ranking intelligence source in the Kremlin.
Choomgang had one rule to follow. Bill Clinton was too generous when he said Obama would be bringing him coffee. One rule, Choomgang!
You would think that allowing wealthy men more wives and thus more children would increase intelligence.
But the Muslim world is pretty barren intellectually. Not sure why.
Your reaction is way too hostile.
In fact, I’m not taking a side in this particular debate, though I can’t ignore my own experience as a researcher of Islam and Muslim culture working with and among Muslim American leaders (as well as Muslim scholars overseas). They, too, ‘have standing’ to speak on this issue as well, with a number of them being active in prison outreach programs.
The first thing I notice in the New Statesman article is its reliance upon Usama Hasan of the Quilliam Foundation, which, ab initio, raises doubts about the objectivity of the cited stat. Following this, I see a lot of anecdotal evidence, but nothing much more substantive.
As for Luqman Ahmad, he writes:
‘We are being told.’ Assertions and numbers without sources. He continues:
This is a non sequitur. It does not follow that the number of converts attending America’s mosques are representative of the number of Muslim converts per se. There are many ‘home’ and storefront mosques in urban environments that remain entirely invisible to accounting, and the only way you’d know this is if you put forth the effort to find them. There are also converts who self-identify as Muslims, yet refrain from attending high profile mosques.
My own Muslim American associates report a significant rise in the number of ‘reverts’ since Oct. 7, particularly among women. As far as leaving the faith is concerned, that’s not the perilous prospect you imagine it to be, at least not in America.
I would say that, where cumulative, raw data is concerned, there’s been some bias in reporting on this issue from both sides of the debate. It may be that some Muslims are inflating the number of converts, but ex-Muslims usually have an axe to grind that is noticeably reflected in their reportage.
In any event, here’s what Pew offers:
The share of Americans who leave Islam is offset by those who become Muslim
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2018/01/26/the-share-of-americans-who-leave-islam-is-offset-by-those-who-become-muslim/
Twinkie’s Catholic. So am I. We are realistic about the Russians. Brothers in Christ, yes, but also rivals from time to time. Put simply, they’re different in a way that Poles and Western Ukrainians are not, and we’d prefer they stay put. Of course that neither rules out negotiation nor necessitates war. Personally, I’m in favor of a settlement that lets the Russians keep their own sympathizers while Ukrainians who want to align with the West get freedom and self-determination.
So while I think the war is stupid and unnecessary, and that Russia was clearly provoked, when it comes down to it I’m still on Ukraine’s side. My guess is Twinkie has the same sentiment.
The real tragedy is that non-Christian neocons – who have no legitimate business meddling in Christian countries’ affairs – played a decisive role in starting this tragic and deadly conflict that is taking so many Christian lives.
Yeah, they’re all over the place, even here in WA where despite our many refineries our gas is very expensive (taxes). Huge, shiny, spotless, and apparently never used for anything besides showing off around town.
I’ve got to wonder what the appeal could possibly be besides being big and imposing, because I’ve driven my fair share of large vehicles and they aren’t exactly a pleasure to drive.
One thing I’ve noticed about truckers who spend countless hours driving big rigs is that lots of them have a preference for small cars and motorcycles for personal use, so these big shiny trucks come off as totally fake poser-mobiles to me, and I can’t stand it when they park opposite each other in parking lots.
The global map of cousin marriage (or cosanguinous marriage) overlaps the Ummah map. Cousin marriage is downright preferable when (1) you don’t know that it yields retards, and (2) you’re an agricultural society where land holdings are crucial, and (3) marriage can break up, add to, or maintain your land holdings. Europeans used to do it too but the Catholic church assiduously, over generations, broke the habit, with the result that Europeans became observably smarter. The way Islam practically works is imitation of the example of the Prophet and his companions, as accepted by the pope of Islam, which is “the consensus of all the scholars.” It’s possible to quibble, or find an outlier you like, but generally Muslims are very unified on all the important stuff (slavery, the extermination of the Jews, etc). If the least of the Prophet’s companions wore Fila brand shoes, then you need to wear Fila, or find a tafsir that says that Reebok is okay. So it will be very hard to get Muslims to give up cousin marriage, but if we could sell their theological scholars on it, it would be possible.
Fair enough.
I can certainly see why many may be concerned about some of the ‘old world’ ideas drifting over here, but the reality for Muslim America is that those from the immigrant population are more likely to leave Islam, with native-born American converts taking their place.
The result has been a community less likely to affirm convictions such as capital punishment for apostacy or adultery. That sort of thing isn’t reflected in the latest research at all.
And the notion that Muslim America is just ‘biding its time’ until it reaches critical mass is a slippery slope fallacy advanced more often than not by Zionist Jews and their supporters among evangelical Christians. They have every incentive to eliminate Islam here because more Muslim voters could translate into less support for Israel.
After what we’ve seen this year, the adverb “well” is missing.
Seems to have had that effect in East Asia where the scholar gentleman was rewarded. But in the Islamic world it was usually warlords who had a lot of wives, and that has a somewhat different result.
My theory is that if you let rich/smart guys hoard the women the men will degenerate over time into a bunch of venal, four-eyed dweebs. Of course you don’t want the opposite, as in the American underclass where the most brutish, stupid thugs father more children because welfare promotes such behavior.
Monogamy provides the best balance.
Wasn’t always that way.
I think this guy had something to do with it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Ghazali
Also this didn’t help:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Baghdad
A triad indeed.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2000-jan-24-mn-57185-story.html
Thanks. You and maybe a dozen other commenters are the real reason to come here anymore.
I’ve been as frustrated with Steve as anybody in recent years on several issues and am now torn between wanting to tear into him for his silence and/or bad takes and the feeling that I ought to hold back out of regard for his decency, his very willingness to post so many critical and acerbic comments, and all I learned from him over these many years, things I was only ever likely to have learned from him/the pool of learned commenters he accumulated.
To be fair, he’s made it plain over the years in many, many, many pieces of text that he fully understands and very often shares the worry many of us feel about the inordinate power of certain Jewish individuals and groups and the deceitful and dangerous ways that power is wielded. But I think he’s also rather disheartened by the internet perch he’s wound up on later in life, and feels it important to subtly signal that he doesn’t share the fixation and animus many of us bring to the issue, if only out of frustration.
The possibility of some particular new patron weighing on his decisions has crossed my mind too. In the end I guess it’s easy for us in the shadows to rage at him for letting us down by not mirroring the focus and intensity of our concerns. He’s a temperate man of reason and goodwill who, like any of us, gets to make his own judgements and is subject to his own pressures. But thanks to you and the others for continuing to press him.
Well said.
1) It’s not like these trucks are $29,900.
2) They are also difficult to fit into most parking spaces.
3) Don’t get me started on their 12 inch side mirrors which they deploy even when not trailering.
A very expensive bit of LARPing.
Can the Imams convert them by saying, “I convert thee, I convert thee, I convert thee?”
Yes, the Arabs did have a golden age, algebra and all that. Introducing base 10 numbers from India to the West.
But recently, not so much. Even with oil money, much of it is spent on luxury projects, not research.
Since Oregon taxes income and Washington does not, it seems curious that Portland is so much larger than Vancouver across the river. Either the lack of a sales tax makes up for that, or not having to pump your own gas. Which I hear has changed, leaving New Jersey the last state with full-serve.
Which is ironic, because the refineries there keep the prices the lowest in the Northeast.
Interesting.
Mr. Sailer appears to favor certain content more than others, which would probably explain why my responses aren’t getting through.
Oh, well. He said as much.
Just letting Frau Katze, HA, and RegCaesar know that, as of this post, my latest replies to them have yet to be published here.
They embraced radical theological skepticism. That’s the Al Ghazali guy I linked.
His position was that we really can’t know why anything happens except that it is God’s will, so philosophical (and by extension scientific) inquiry is a waste of time.
Sounds kind of obtuse to modern ears, but you have to keep in mind that this was essentially David Hume’s epistemological position as well, and Hume was a very formidable modern thinker. It’s very hard (although not impossible) to refute this. Try plowing through Kant’s Critique of Pure Reason and you’ll see what I mean.
Because Al Ghazali’s ideas found broad acceptance in Islam, they shaped the subsequent development of Islamic civilization, much as Augustine of Hippo shaped Christian civilization.
I possess a few hundred of these from Canada:
I even keep a box of them on my desk here, just to look at, as a reminder of real value. And you wonder why I laugh so much…
Vancouver has grown a lot since I was a kid, but I think for your average wage earner the cost of living is about even on either side of the river. Also, I doubt you can avoid paying Oregon taxes if you live in WA and work in Portland and I (painfully) know you can’t avoid WA taxes if you buy a car in Oregon.
Oh, and don’t even get me started on the A-holes at CBSA (Canadian border patrol) who will give you the latex glove treatment if they even suspect you’re making any money in Canada without paying Johnny Canuck.
Define “this,”’ please.
You have to pay Oregon taxes if you live in WA and work in Portland. The only attraction for many people to move to Vancouver has been lower cost of house prices. But it is cancelled by painful commute on the aging interstate bridge. Some people have moved from Portland to Vancouver to get resident rates in WA schools.
The Saudis and other Gulf states have set up universities and have tried to buy talent for them, though I don’t think they have met with much success. The money is good but not enough to entice many researchers away from the West. But – who knows – if western Universities go full Khmer Rouge as they seem to be heading, a lot scientists might decide they have a better shot at a fullfilling career in the near east or far east.
One thing the Saudis have done is build up a sizeable chemical industry through acquisitions. The Saudi Basic Industries Corporation (SABIC) produces a range of petrochemicals including fertilizers and plastics. They bought GE Plastics, one of the two premier manufacturers of engineered plastics in the World, from General Electric. The underlying idea is not just to sell oil, but to own the businesses down-stream from petroleum production too. It’s a smart idea.
As to those glitzy infrastructure projects – a lot of them might not be too practical, but it’s better than spending their money on blowing stuff up, which is a lot of what the US Government spends it’s money on (though, to be fair, the Saudis are blowing up stuff, and people too, in Yemen).
Peter is a great guy.
Steven Weinberg is largely responsible for laying blame at Ghazali’s feet, but his claim doesn’t hold up to scrutiny:
Chapter 7 of George Saliba’s Islamic Science and the Making of the European Renaissance addresses the issue in further detail:
https://archive.org/details/GeorgeSalibaIslamicScienceAndTheMakingOfTheEuropeanRenaissanceTransformationsStu/page/n243/mode/2up?view=theater&q=Ghazali
The second response, written by Avery, is worth a read:
https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/41073/did-al-ghazali-lead-to-decline-of-science-in-islam-as-neil-tyson-claims
Wotan gave an eye for wisdom. Netanyahu sacrificed Jewish lives for political hourglass sand. Recently, of course — but the basis of his career was riding the dead body of his brother Jonathan.
Canadian gold, he said very snobbishly, is actually the best gold in the world; I often insist upon it when buying gold, personally, as a metals holder. It is objectively purer, and in live observation, it has a lustre not visible in the gold of other nations.
Almost. The act of becoming a Muzzy consists of correctly reciting a sentence with a Muslim witness.
Thanks for the info about recent Saudi doings.
Department of Kooky-Time Theatre…
I was just laughing about this, thought others might get a kick.
I keep on my desk at all times, as reference works, (well I also keep within easy reach the DSM, Gray’s Anatomy, and a medical dictionary, just not on my desk like these two) two books:
James Joyce, “Finnegans Wake” — basically a lexicon of all language that has ever been written or spoken, or ever will be; and
Carl Sandburg, “Rootabaga Stories”: the best book of children’s stories ever — at least for an American (he wrote it because he thought American children should have something of their own to rival Alice in Wonderland, which he thought was too British.)
It has the hilarious:
“How Bimbo the Snip’s Thumb Stuck to His Nose When the Wind Changed”
“How the Animals Lost Their Tails and Got Them Back Again Traveling from Philadelphia to Medicine Hat, After Many Accidents and Six Telegrams”
the charming:
“How the Potato-Face Blind Man Enjoyed Himself on a Fine Spring Day”
“The Wedding Procession of the Rag Doll and the Broom Handle, and Who Was In It”
“The Story of Jason Squiff, and Why He Had a Popcorn Hat, Popcorn Mittens, and Popcorn Shoes”
the hauntingly beautiful…
“The White Horse Girl and the Blue Wind Boy”
“How Henry Haggly-Hoagly Played the Guitar with His Mittens On”
“Never Kick a Slipper at the Moon”
the tragic…
“The Two Skyscrapers Who Decided to Have a Child”
“The Wooden Indian and the Shag-Horn Buffalo”
and the utterly terrifying…
“Sand Flat Shadows”
You’re very lucky if, when you were a kid, you had a grown-up around to read this psycho stuff to you aloud, preferably a grown-up with a bit of theatrical flair.
I’ve given this book to countless kids as a present; now you have an idea of what to get some littlun in your life for their next birthday.
Oh, getting back to the UCLA connection… I stole my copy of Gray’s from the UCLA bookstore back in the day, and for a while it served as my pillow, my dining table, and my writing desk. There was nothing else in the room. Don’t ask.
Nice try at concern trolling. Why don’t you mentioned the Soviet pogrom against Chinese during that period?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_deportations_of_Chinese_people
Soviets deported hundred of thousands of Koreans as well, those who may have supported Japan, with some 10%–25% mortality rate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_Koreans_in_the_Soviet_Union
Not to condone Korean troop actions in Vietnam, but counter-insurgency violence is constant feature of warfare in jungles, the PLA committed similar types of atrocities in 1979.
Koreans had to build their own Great Wall against Tang China. Did your country have to build massive fortifications against both nomadic warriors and colossal sedantary empire armies?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheolli_Jangseong
UCLA is not private property. It is a public institution therefore open to any member of the public who wishes to enter the campus. The demonstrators are students enrolled at the university. And there are more foreign and foreign born immigrants at UCLA than there are native Californians born in California.
In addition to the law that a state institution is always open to the public, UCLA has numerous events concerts plays dance shows endless meetings conventions open to the public. For instance, there’s a large movie theater open to the public 7 days a week. Plus a couple museums and the libraries and bookstores that sell a lot more than college text books..The campus stores sell a lot of food for instance.
Plus it’s a public park jogging field whatever.,students seem majority Chinese. Chinese love fireworks. So for about ten days around July fourth the Asian students set off firecrackers all over the campus mostly in the athletic fields and neighborhood. That’s fun. Not organized fireworks just what Chinese do If you live in the neighborhood there’s a convenient post office and bank. Thousands of neighbors buy friend of the library cards every year so they can take out books. A blessing as public libraries are limited. UCLA library even has a 1896 Hachette edition of the protocols of the Elders of Zion. Big African museum somewhere.
Plus it’s a terminal for about 15 bus lines from 3 different cities. The terminals are inside the campus Major transfer point between west Los Angeles the San Fernando valley where Steve lives the airport and downtown on the campus Even an Amtrak bus line stops at UCLA Plus at least 50 thousand patients going to and from the medical offices connected to UCLA hospital on the campus. Also a big parking lot on the edge of campus that many people can use. Major events all summer long to the point students and employees can hardly get from one place to another. Plus movies and tv shows filmed on campus.
The pro Palestine demonstrators are students who have every right to be there. So does anyone else who walks in. Most city and county parks have signs closed at 10 or 11 pm. UCLA does not. It’s open to the public. Jogging taking someone to the hospital going to a movie play convention or other event, UCLA is open to the public..
“The first thing I notice in the New Statesman article is its reliance upon Usama Hasan of the Quilliam Foundation, which, ab initio, raises doubts about the objectivity of the cited stat.”
Just because it’s an anti-extremism foundation? Maybe that says more about your bias than theirs. They’re not saying much about extremists of any kind here, be they Muslim or bitter ex-Muslims. And as I see it, the New Statesman article cited in the Reddit post depicts the falling away is some kind of problem that needs to be addressed than something to be celebrated. That’s hardly objective.
The very fact that Islamic societies tend to put so much of their cultural riches into one basket is itself a sign of brittle weakness. You gotta make that bench a little deeper instead of hoping that one star hitter will carry you to the championship. Why didn’t Alexandria or Tripoli and other cities far out of reach of the Mongols step up and fill the void caused when Baghdad or Damascus declined, in the way that Christian societies were able to juggle their rises and falls, be they Spanish, Dutch, British, French, or German?
I suppose one could raise the same criticism against Byzantium. Even though Moscow claims to have lifted up the torch in the way the Byzanties themselves did when Rome fell, its standing doesn’t compare to the regard in which Byzantium was held at its peak (though in terms of sheer influence, however malign, the Soviet Union arguably came pretty close, at least as far as leftists are concerned, and I daresay any number of current cheerleaders).
Thanks! I think I found it with this search: peter schaeffer marginal revolution “steve sailer” “immigration” “wage” “health care”
https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2013/05/do-low-wages-for-unskilled-workers-weaken-the-case-for-more-immigration.html
The explanation was in response to a comment from Steve.
He did a similar calculation to mine, but a bit more sophisticated regarding hours worked. The big difference is he used a much (almost 2x) higher number for health care expenses. Mine was from 2003 which may have been the problem.
It has been over a decade since then so let’s update the numbers.
First, hours worked. This BLS spreadsheet has quarterly data from 1947 through Q1 2024 (see worksheet MachineReadable). The hours worked for the total hours worked in the US economy for Q1 2024 is given as 295 billion (compare ~250 billion above). I would have read that as a quarterly number, but appears to be annualized based on the math cited above? That would make a 4x difference if misinterpreted.
https://www.bls.gov/productivity/tables/total-economy-hours-employment.xlsx
Second, total health care costs. From this page
https://www.cms.gov/data-research/statistics-trends-and-reports/national-health-expenditure-data/historical
we see “U.S. health care spending grew 4.1 percent in 2022, reaching $4.5 trillion or $13,493 per person. As a share of the nation’s Gross Domestic Product, health spending accounted for 17.3 percent.”
Compared to the 2013 numbers the total is 50% higher (but a slightly lower % compared to 17.9).
So looking at 2022 (Q1 hours 288 billion) we have:
$4.5 trillion / 288 billion hours = $15.6 per hour. This is an increase of 30% since 2013.
Contrast to something like a $23 to $33 average wage increase from 2012 to 2022 here (44% increase).
https://www.epi.org/nominal-wage-tracker/
So Schaeffer’s Number has increased to $15.6 per hour in 2022, but relative to average wages has declined a bit.
Overall, I am not sure how to think about this. Should we be using average health care cost as the metric or a number more specific to the minimum wage worker? I doubt they have the gold plated health care of some high earners. But if there is any insurance at all the difference may be smaller than I expect (then there are the Medicaid, unpaid ER, etc. aspects). Peter addressed some of this later in the thread. For example.
Great thread. Thank you for pointing me to it.
Is Peter writing anywhere these days? It seems he has made few comments at Marginal Revolution since 2017. Though I do see two brief comments here fairly recently.
https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2023/12/the-university-presidents.html
https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2024/04/robert-whaples-reviews-goat.html
Arabs and South Asians have their actual liberals.
They are probably not just biding time.
They are .9999 pure. I believe the Canadians were the first to offer this.
They are very yellow. Pure gold is very yellow.
Krugerands from South Africa, in contrast, contain some added metals to make them more resistent to scratches and dings, and they are dull in comparison. (Pure gold is soft.)
Cousin marriage is fine in a premodern society with high child mortality, where damaged children are stillborn or die young, before they can reproduce.
However it becomes a serious problem with modern medical science, whereby such kids survive and produce kids of their own. This is a new problem the Arabs have not faced before in their history. Either they start to practice some form of eugenics, or they end up with a large population of people who are incapable of functioning in society and who will be a heavy burden on welfare systems for generations for come.
‘Anti-extremist’ was Quilliam’s way of describing itself, much like George W. Bush described the invasion and occupation of Iraq as a ‘war on terror’, rather than the fulfillment of a neoconservative objective drawn up well before the 9/11 attacks. For this organization, the term is nothing short of Orwellian, a projection of Quilliam’s own extremist views of Muslims. Call that biased if you will, but I invite anyone here to visit the embedded link and do his own research.
The lamentable reality is that legitimate issues Quilliam or like-minded organizations might draw our attention to — such as the practice of FGM — often take a back seat to the paranoia with which Quilliam views the general Muslim community. They only serve to complicate outreach and diplomacy.
Still, I’d be willing to take a look at their data on converts leaving Islam…
If only they had some.
What are you talking about?
The issue isn’t about under whom the Koreans may have suffered. In their long history, they were surely met with violence other other powers, be they Mongols, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, etc.
Humanity has been bashing humanity forever.
The issue is Koreans tend to slavishly and mindlessly serve whoever rules over them.
To give as an example. It’s true that Stalin forcibly relocated 10,000s of Koreans to Central Asia. Many perished in the first year from starvation and exposure.
But the survivors came to be among the most fervent and loyal servants of the USSR. Soviets prized them as among the most stalwart commissars of the system.
And many, at that.
The high profile Islamic centers in America are comprised of a good number of immigrants who appreciate the opportunity for financial growth as well as the basic liberty the country has to offer. If they have schools, their PTAs usually insist on meeting the same academic standards as are required of public schools (via standardized testing and the like).
Most of them have worked in coordination with law enforcement agencies to monitor for signs of extremism. Occasionally, those agencies have overstepped their bounds, and the relationship has become more tenuous, but by and large, neither the imams nor the congregants want problems on their hands and are willing to root out troublemakers.
Aside from these, there are predominantly black mosques (not to be confused with Farrakhan’s movement), usually urban, from sufi to neo-salafi. White converts tend toward the high profile centers, though I’ve yet to see a predominantly white American mosque. (I think it’ll happen sometime down the line.)
I certainly didn’t mean it as a compliment.
A few hundred years before the Mongols that wasn’t really the case; the Mongol conquest was a kind of coup de grâce in that it finished off a declining dynasty. Scholarly centers had existed from Samarkand to Tunis during the early middle Ages.
I think theological skepticism was more responsible for Muslim underachievement than the Mongols, but the Mongols finished off much of what remained in the 13th century (except for astronomy, which they considered important for fortune-telling).
but counter-insurgency violence is constant feature of warfare in jungles
Were the Viet Cong operating in Korea?
South Korea using dirty war methods against North Korea is understandable.
But Viet Cong was trying to push the Americans out of Vietnam, and it had nothing to do with Korea.
So, why were South Korean soldiers there committing violence against a people who’d never done any harm to Korea?
They were there for the same reason Koreans were in Nanking under Japanese rule. Serving the empire.
Never heard of Steven Weinberg. Historian Peter Adamson is who introduced me to Al Ghazali, and he tends to maintain neutrality and avoid speculation.
Actually it was the parallels with Hume that led me to independently speculate about Al Ghazali’s effect on the sciences. Not to mention the attacks on Ibn Sina and the title of his book.
Thanks for the link. I try to catch up on Persian thinkers when I can. They are woefully underappreciated here in the US.
I think Russia should learn to catch their flies with honey. The approach they’ve been using the last 20 years isn’t working for them.
The government of Israel encouraged the Bush Administration to give priority to containing Iran. See Martin Kramer’s writings on this point.
They are always encouraging the containment of, and attack of, Iran. And they hope that the US will do it for them.
And Israel was also quite okay with The US invading Iraq too:
Of course, if one is serious about making war on Iran, would have to have forward bases in neighboring countries, like Iraq and Afghanistan.
“Still, I’d be willing to take a look at their data on converts leaving Islam…”
I suspect that will be easier to come by once the fatwas, honor killings and the plethora of other threats to life and limb one can expect to receive in many Islamic communities upon deciding that there are better ways to get by in this day and age. Until then, the very fact that such fatwas exist is going to be seen as a black mark against Islam by anyone trying to be objective or “anti-extremist”.
The Pew research center estimated in 2017 that 30% of the Muslims recorded in that year arrived since 2010 (so 30% of about 3.5 million). That works out to about 150K/year in that time interval. I’m not sure what the influx has been since then, but I’m gonna guess it’s roughly the same. So, to the extent that Islam is growing by only 100K/year despite that influx of 150K, that doesn’t bode well for long term trends. Yeah, those are ballpark figures, involving considerable error bounds, but I’m not seeing any reason to doubt what those imams are trying to suss out from hearts and minds, given that stated opinions are going to remain muted as long as Muslims fear reprisal.
“Do you believe that Russia would tolerate NATO in the Ukraine…”
If Russia doesn’t want Ukrainians to clamor for acceptance into NATO, they might want to reconsider their landgrabs and invasions. They’ve proven to be counter-productive in that regard.
“at the same time that Ukrainian politicians ban Russian language and Orthodoxy”
Eastern Orthodoxy remains the religion of the vast majority of Ukrainians (which is more than can be said for Russia given current demographics and emigration rates), and unlike, say, Baptists in Russia, there are no bans to speak of. As for the Russian-speaking Jew who is currently president of Ukraine (so much for banning the Russian language), what he DID ban is the Moscow-controlled wing of Orthodoxy, led by Patriarch Kirill, aka Fr. Rolex, who seems to have picked up his not-so-monastic fetish for pricey luxury watches while working as a KGB spy in Switzerland in the 70’s, and who has eagerly supported the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Again, if he doesn’t want his church interfered with, he might do a better job of staying out of politics, and the KGB.
Jurisdictional disputes, both with regard to which patriarch is to be followed, and which caesar the local congregants are enjoined to render unto, are fairly endemic within Eastern Orthodoxy. That doesn’t — according to the adherents, anyway — trickle down to matters of theology or praxis, and let’s be real, religious fervor throughout all parts of the former USSR is muted, even in places like Chechnya, and is little more a cultural label.
Again, if you want to cry about freedom of religion in that part of the world, consider the camels your good buddy Putin is swallowing in Russia, and then the gnats you’re straining out in Ukraine will be less laughable.
In my father’s stuff, I recently found 2 Panamanian 90% gold coins struck in the US on 12/31/74, the first day it was again legal after FDR’s gold grab in ’33, which apparently does nothing for their value beyond bragging rights. I thought one looked a bit oddly colored, but checking just now, it was the dark red surround. Since none are in circulation or are ever likely to be, they may as well make them really pure.
Frau Katze has really fallen head over heels for that Troll button lately.
Like I said, we need a “DESPICABLE” button.
“Wotan gave an eye for wisdom.”
Well then judging by the final outcome, he got snookered, dinnee.
Yeah, I know… just stepping it out a bit, for the kids playing along at home who don’t know what we’re talking about.
“UCLA is not private property. It is a public institution therefore open to any member of the public who wishes to enter the campus.”
You got that damn straight. I basically lived on the UCLA campus, sleeping there under a tree here and a tree there during the day and pretending I was a student, for a good part of a year back when I was homeless. Beats the living hell out of MacArthur Park — but it was a bitch of a commute down Wilshire to my graveyard-shift downtown gig as a midnight medical transcriber… and yes, here in America you can hold down a full-time job and still be homeless. You get yourself a low-price storage locker and a membership in a cheap 24-hour gym so you have someplace to shower, and then you sleep at UCLA, which is pretty safe as these things go. Like I say, much safer than MacArthur Park. I could tell you stories.
I got a membership in the UCLA/Cal State Library, so I would have a place to hang out that was better than Mexican movie theaters in downtown LA and the Sherman Oaks Galleria. Had some of my early artistic insights in the UCLA library reading room. Got my head exploded when I had a nervous breakdown and also like three important people to me all died at the same time.
You should try it some time.
https://www.hhcla.org/
Ask for Marc, tell ’em D. sent ya.
Hi Nicholas nice to see you back.
There are thousands of Israeli foreign students in Los Angeles area colleges. Most are men most are IDF veterans in their mid 20s a bit old for undergrads.. they like the community colleges because of open admissions.
They all seem to speak perfect English. As do all the hundreds of thousands of Israeli immigrants in California. Going by the perfect English spoken by Israeli immigrants one would think Israel is a tri lingual Hebrew English Arabic country
Plus there are hordes of Israelis coming and going around Los Angeles’s all the time. They mostly fund raise from the rich Jews. And have events where they inform LA Jews about all the threats to Israel. And encourage the American Jews to be always on alert for anti semitism. Again, mostly men mostly the perfect posture swaggering military vet type the women swoon over and the men; brought up to be cringing Woody Allens admire.,
Mulholland to Venice Fairfax to the ocean is known as West Tel Aviv
Does it mean anything that your second link uses the red-blue color scheme which is currently unfashionable for the parties?
My theory is the Troll button is more frequently used by trolls than on them. Perhaps not literally true, but I think the underlying point is worth making.
I have never understood what the Troll button is supposed to mean besides disagreement, and we already have a Disagree button.
I am baffled whenever I see a reply to Corvinus, especially an angry one. If somebody’s not worth your time then don’t spend time on him. What Tyler said about cyberbullying.
You clearly have no direct experience with Muslim American communities.
Converts who decide to leave are typically left to their own devices, with little community interest in pursuing any kind of ‘retaliation’ against such people. Some members may seek to persuade them to come back to the fold, but the idea that they’re under threat of losing their life is sheer hyperbole.
So more guesswork.
Well, since we’re speculating, I’d say Pew’s estimates are low given its survey methodology, which relies heavily upon identifying Muslim sounding names. Quite a few converts never officially change their name, which would clearly skew the data.
There are also — or well, at least there used to be — a lot of very hot ex-IDF girls working as strippers in the up-scale LA strip clubs. I personally tuned my scale according to what people have to say, I was really more interested in weird conversation than tits, and the Israeli girls always had a LOT of interesting things to say. Whether you want to credit it, is another matter. But in any avenue, people who have done risky military service generally are people you sort of want to chat with.
Like I always say, It pays to know LOTS of different sorts of people, you wouldn’t believe how many sorts I know, and you never know who knows who.
They are at least worth whatever quantity of gold in them is worth today. The history is interesting. I can tell you from experience that any good gold dealer will pay you a fair price. Avoid anyone who won’t.
I found a bunch of old silver coins among my own father’s things after he died. Such experiences are what sons have, I guess, sometimes. More interesting to me was his old drafting tools, his engineering tools, and some WWII Navy stuff in a chest he kept in his bedroom.
Oh, and in that chest I also found his Boy Scout Handbook from the 1930s. He had kept it all those years.
This internet photo is what it looks like, the very same book. I still have it. I will never let it go:
How about the Russians who slavishly matched into the meatgrinders of Tannenberg, Mukden, Suomussalmi, and Kiev in 1941? You don’t have business talking about other people being slavish.
What country in the world is arguably the most defiant against America? North Korea.
Koreans happened be overrepresented as soldiers for historical Chinese empires. Some people happen to make loyal military men.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gao_Xianzhi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Rusong
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Chengliang
And for your information Koreans do fine in math, the last Fields Medalist was a Korean. His mother is a Russian language professor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_Huh
I found one of those, too. My brother and I are the first in four generations of my family to throw anything away (my sister doesn’t). In his last few years, he became so deaf, I used cardboard megaphones from his 1940s Annapolis Plebe year to communicate. I suspect the gold coins will continue to go up in value.
That is so.
Pro mass murder is way more moral. Because Auschwitz and reasons.
“You clearly have no direct experience with Muslim American communities.”
What nonsense you spout so confidently! You clearly have no direct experience with me or those around me, and unlike your assertion, mine is based on things I actually know about. You think every Muslim immediately turns into American Muslims once the plane touches down? I submit it takes a while for habits ingrained over generations and centuries to slip away.
I daresay you’ve also never been a Pew poll taker charged with the onerous task of calling up random Muslims and asking questions like “have you decided to leave Islam, and if so, what was the reason?” (I’m only guessing they do that by phone, given that doing that in person would require a significant chunk of hazard pay.)
“Converts who decide to leave are typically left to their own devices…”
Typically, you say? Such a problematic little word, that word “typically”. For example, the vast majority of drunk drivers typically wind up safe in bed with at most a minor fender bender. But things get seriously bloody once we get beyond what’s typical, and it make a world of difference.
“So more guesswork.”
To the extent the imam referenced in that article is that clueless about the communities he has interacted with, it doesn’t say much for the candor of his flock. And you had no problem with the guesswork when Pew was claiming the conversion immigration was a wash.
Finally, the only problematic variable here is how many poll respondents have left Islam. Asking someone whether they identify as. Muslim, and when they came over here is far less likely to inflame those being questioned (or grilled, as the case may be), and according to those figures, the roughly 150K influx in Muslims arriving exceeds the 100K increase in American Muslims. Even if that shortfall is quite likely small w.r.t. to both quantities being subtracted, once errors have been accounted for, it’s not quite as close to zero as you seem willing to acknowledge.
It’s just one of those things…
I used to know this guy, who worked for a big-deal law firm, and he got into let us say a spot of trouble with a bunch of other guys; so I went to some of these guys, and I said, Hey, I know this guy who knows these other guys, and they are guys you really just don’t want to know. So can we, among us guys, figure out a thing we can all live with, which doesn’t involve lots of other guys? And they said yes.
And then the law guy was able to connect me with other guys who knew guys who could help me out when I needed it. It pays to know a lot of guys.
Oh?
And how is it you know with any certainty that ‘fatwas, honor killings and [a] plethora of other threats to life and limb’ will be the consequence for apostates in many Muslim American communities, as you so averred?
Where is your data, o one who actually knows? (And no, quoting hadith won’t do.)
Thus far, what you ‘actually know about’ is the conjecture of one imam (of tens of thousands of American imams), speculation on behalf of a now defunct organization with a track record of hostility toward Islam, and Pew data with which you play fast and loose to arrive at curious conclusions.
To wit, the 100k per annum figure you cite refers specifically to American converts to Islam, not the cumulative increase in the Muslim American population. This is clearly understood when you see the 100k figure mentioned in discussion about American converts. Had you bothered to read that, you might have actually found a link to this page, which includes the following graph:
So, according to Pew, the number of apostates are roughly equal to that of converts, yet Muslim American birthrates and new arrivals still account for an additional 100k every year.
I submit it takes a while for habits ingrained over a lifetime to slip away, but you just might be able to humble yourself yet.
“Oh?”
Yes, I submit I know more about my circle of contacts within the American Muslim community than you do. Are you really so presumptuous as to assume otherwise?
And how is it you know with any certainty that ‘fatwas, honor killings and [a] plethora of other threats to life and limb’ will be the consequence for apostates in many Muslim American communities, as you so averred?
I made no mention of “American Muslims” in that passage. The fact that some woman in the UK died in an honour killing, or that Salman Rushdie isn’t an American doesn’t mean those incidents don’t affect American Muslims as well. I submit that even if they choose to leave Islam, they will still be reticent to discuss it in all that detail. For you to sneer about lack of data despite that overriding context is a little too convenient for my tastes. And skipping over your errant nonsense about “track record of hostility towards Islam” I’ll take your correction about the 100K referring only to conversions, and that it’s also important to include differing birthrates between secular/apostate Muslims and the faithful.
Great, but your statement is still innuendo. I, too, have a circle of contacts — a considerably extensive one, at that.
Well, it appears the antecedent was lost even though we’d been discussing data specific to America. Fair enough.
It’s also a little too convenient to exploit the possibility you mention in order to advance a hypothesis that there are more ex-Muslims than meets the eye. We could also talk about the many American converts too afraid to reveal their conversion.
I’ve personally met many such converts, fearful of being disowned by their families or losing their jobs. The point here is not to make too much of these matters when examining the raw data.
“Great, but your statement is still innuendo. I, too, have a circle of contacts — a considerably extensive one, at that.”
Your circle of contacts is irrelevant with regard to your asinine presumption that you know anything about MIN when you clearly do not.
“It’s also a little too convenient to exploit the possibility you mention in order to advance a hypothesis that there are more ex-Muslims than meets the eye. We could also talk about the many American converts too afraid to reveal their conversion.
Given what happened to people like Salman Rushdie and to honour killing victims, denying that there are converts who, if not exactly afraid, are nonetheless very reticent about the friction they might get from their co-religionists, even if it doesn’t rise to being set on fire, is a fool’s errand. Especially when an imam who has no ostensible reason you can elaborate to lie about such matters says as much. I suspect even plenty of Amish fallen-away are somewhat reticent about leaving their community behind (unlike the many ex-Mormons who seem to exult in their apostasy) and unlike Muslims, the Amish have virtually a spotless record when it comes to fatwas and honor killing. I hold no membership in either the Amish or Mormon community, but I know what I’ve seen.
It doesn’t mean — as you correctly pointed out with regard to what my ballpark calculation omitted — that the number of Muslims in America won’t steadily increase even in the unlikely event that the immigration spigot is turned off (the Amish, despite their significant apostasy rate and no steady influx of foreign immigrants, likewise continue to increase). But trying to deny that ex-Muslims are likely to be somewhat cowed by violence against other ex-Muslims is gonna fool no one who doesn’t want to be fooled.