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Ron Unz asked me to collect all my recent graphs based on data published in the United Nations’ World Population Prospects 2017 in one jaw-dropping post. First, here’s the latest version of what I’ve been calling The World’s Most Important Graph:
Most of my graphs represent the medium / most likely projections according to the United Nations’ Population Division. Here is the UN’s own graph of different possibilities for Sub-Saharan Africa:
Here, however, is the UN’s most high end projection for Africa: assume decreasing mortality due to improved health technologies and constant fertility, and the population of Africa exceeds 15,000,000,000 by century’s end:
All the rest of the graphs reflect the UN’s best guess rather than high or low estimates.
Note that the UN doesn’t include much in the way of mass migrations into its forecasts, since those are political decisions (e.g., the German Chancellor’s arbitrary 2015 decision).
Here’s four countries in Sub-Saharan Africa versus four famous countries in Europe:
One country in Africa, Nigeria, is expected to outnumber the entire population of Europe:
Or Portugal vs. its former colony of Angola:
Due to oil, Angola has been quite prosperous in this century until the last couple of years, but this hasn’t yet had a noticeable effect on fertility.
North Africa appears to be on a different trajectory from Sub-Saharan Africa:
I like to point out that other Third World countries have started to get their populations under control. For example, Bangladesh and Nigeria had virtually identical populations in 1950, and Bangladesh was ahead for much of the rest of the 20th Century. But today, Nigeria looks far more irresponsible:
Here’s Iran, where the mullahs have taken steps to get population growth under control, vs. Niger, an obscure country in the desert north of Nigeria, where the average woman has seven babies and wishes she had nine:
Fertility has yet to come down at all in Niger, which, due to “demographic momentum,” means, no matter what happens tomorrow, the population will be growing into the second half of the century:
Within Africa, Rwanda and Burundi are like New Hampshire and Vermont. Following its quasi-Malthusian 1994 genocide and the subsequent rise of strong leadership under Tutsi dictator Paul Kagame, there appears to be hope for Rwanda (red line) to have more moderate population growth, while Burundi (black line) is still on the fast track:
While the UN Population Division is quietly churning out data, the UN Migration Agency is propagandizing about why you’ll enjoy the coming tsunami of African migrants:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEaXKeCUUJE
Close your eyes, lie back and think of England …
Ya know, that’s a hell of a lot of potential violence being created and foisted onto the world at large. Does the UN really, really think this is a good idea? If so, it’s nuttier than a fruitcake. This actually means the return to the dark ages, to primitive man, for this world could not possibly control so vast an army of derelicts, on the move or in one place. We really do live in ‘a fu*king world’, don’t we. It’s the only thing we have in common with one another.
Israel is closer. Send the migrants to Israel.
But I don’t feel fine…
Aid to Africa must be dependent upon dictators getting the population bomb under control. Two children per woman and no more migrants policy- or everyone starves. That is the *minimum we should be doing. More ambitious plans would include airplane flyovers and nuclear fusion.
There is no reason that UN must have its world headquarters in New York City. If the headquarters were moved to Lagos, Nigeria (let the delegates and employees keep their high salaries and benefits) the UN would be singing a different tune.
Another city where UN currently has lots of staff is Zurich Switzerland. Wow, New York City, Zurich Switzerland. No wonder UN officials don’t feel any pressing need to make positive recommendations.
What a Bob Bummer, doom & gloom post. How about strategies for improving global outlook? What are readers supposed to do with this?
This is going to be yet another stimulus towards white solidarity and ingroup vs outgroup thinking amongst whites.Replies: @The Alarmist
Five percent of the population determines public policy; if you find yourself in that five percent, do something positive.
The way ahead is not always clear; what happens is often an emergent characteristic of a three body type problem.
One should plan for you and your's personal lives; be prepared for the coming human tsunami.
Assuming that those numbers really do continue on that trajectory, then obviously Europe will be overwhelmed, the same for North America, however could the remaining world resist such overwhelming numbers ? I am guessing that most would say that China/India/Russia/Japan could easily resist this, but I am not so sure. If Africa, Europe and North America have become mostly black and blacks make up a the majority of the worlds population then the sheer numbers and the vast areas controlled makes me think that nobody could resist this.
Not too many POC or Muslims (yet)
No colonial or slavery guilt complex
The weather is shit so not that enticing to Africans or Arabs
The welfare is mediocre so again not that attractive
White demographic is growing so 'needing immigrants' is nonsense and might help keep politicians straight
There are many Eastern Europeans here already so might help put some backbone into voting for sensible policies
The IRA as a nationalist entity may in the future take a dominant role in keeping Ireland for the Irish
Harder for illegal entry
I'm quietly confident. The quicker it all goes down the toilet in Europe the better - it might knock some sense into the PC brigade. But I doubt it.
On the plus side, it will be a lot harder for the non-white race hustlers and the Bonos and Geldofs of the world to provoke white guilt. The whole “minority = non-white” concept of the left as a way to provoke white guilt and wealth transfer is going to die natural death. Look to them starting to say “democracy = majority rule” as a way to continue the white genocide, where they have the upper hand in numbers.
This is going to be yet another stimulus towards white solidarity and ingroup vs outgroup thinking amongst whites.
OT.
Vox applauds the ball-peen hammer solution to inequality
“a 40 percent decrease in the black maternal mortality rate paired with an over 100 percent increase in white maternal mortality rate is presented as a policy success.”
http://andrewgelman.com/2017/07/03/maternal-death-rate-problems-north-carolina/
It would be , say a fun Far Side cartoon, that envisions the worried elders of North America in 1493 or so, contemplating the projected expansion of white people on their continent.
I wonder what those graphs look like now that we have 500 years of retrospective.
My humble homage to Steve’s Most Important Graph:
https://paworldandtimes.wordpress.com/2016/03/14/alternate-scenarios-the-worlds-most-important-graph/
Regarding the United Nations video at the bottom of the post, you have the perspective backwards.
The first part of the video is from the perspective of the raper (the Who), not the rapee (the Whom).
Thus, the UN is casting the UN and the viewer as Who, while the message to submit is directed at Whom. Presumably, the message is intended for goodwhites who feel they are part of the Who in this scenario.
By what hopeful metric are they predicting that Rwanda will slow its growth in the future?
There shouldn’t be any aid to Africa. Let Africa work out its own problems.
mr. sailer’s “hockey stick”.
think of England
OK, just did for a microsecond or so — that’s long enough.
When people suggested that the Queen send the princesses to the country, where they'd be safer, she said they weren't going without her, she wasn't going without the King and he wasn't leaving London.
any “data” from the un is dubious especially african data. what is the murder rate, childhood mortality rate, average life expectancy etc? shitty data that proves your contention is still shitty data.
Interestingly, Rwanda is ranked 5th in terms of gender equality worldwide! Burundi is in 12th place.
– http://reports.weforum.org/global-gender-gap-report-2016/rankings/
Despite its high regional average, there is wide spread of outcomes among the 20 countries covered in the Western Europe region. A similarly wide spread of country performance also exists among the 30 countries covered in the Sub-Saharan Africa region. Here, this diversity of outcomes is frequently driven by different performance on the Educational Attainment subindex. In other regions, the largest diversity of outcomes exists across the Economic Participation and Opportunity and Political Empowerment subindexes, while performance differences across the Educational Attainment and Health and Survival subindexes tend to be comparatively minor.
in the real world asymptotes don’t happen. nature intervenes.
As long as wealthy whites can escape into exclusive, gated whitopias and private schools they will not be much moved by these projections. Take those two things away, and they will care louder and bolder than we do.
I’m inclined (after reading about the Kalgeri plan) to think this boner (food and medical aid that has allowed for such a population explosion) is intentional on the part of some.
But I'd like to add a footnote about Peter Sutherland - "UN migration chief"- and the little insight he gave into the the purpose of building a "multicultural" Europe (he was addressing the members of a British House of Lords sub-committee in 2012). You can find the same report on the BBC news website and the website of something called "Immigrant Magazine", as well as a video recording of the event on YouTube.
The written report begins:I quote the following extracts from later in the BBC report:Sutherland may not be widely known, but he is a key figure in the globalist project. Among other things he is: "non-executive chairman of Goldman Sachs International and a former chairman of oil giant BP, [and he] heads the Global Forum on Migration and Development , which brings together representatives of 160 nations to share policy ideas". Also he "has attended meetings of The Bilderberg Group , a top level international networking organisation often criticised for its alleged secrecy",
In addition, of course, he is "the UN's special representative for migration".
*Coudenhove-Kalergi was the first recipient of the Charlemagne Prize, which celebrates distinguished contributors to "the European process of unification”. More recent recipients were Tony Blair (1999), who wanted “to rub the noses of the right in diversity”, Bill Clinton (2000) and Angela Merkel (2008).Replies: @Opinionator, @Anonymous
…under Tutu dictator Paul Kagame, there appears to be hope for Rwanda…
I just looked up Paul Kagame’s Wikipedia page and he is actually Tutsi, and the other tribe are called Hutu, and then there is Desmond Tutu 😉
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Kagame
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origins_of_Hutu,_Tutsi_and_Twa
By the way, Paul Kagame’s daughter is very tall, 6 foot 4 inches, I believe: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ange_Kagame
http://www.celebheights.com/s/Ange-Kagame-49919.html
How about the African honor roll of nations with 4-ish or below fertility rates. Why not include them in the graph fun?
Why is there no graph that also includes South Asia, East Asia, and Southeast Asia?
The propaganda war has begun:
Ignorant and ugly: Australian social media attitudes to an African disaster
“Africa made its own problems. Quit having 10 kids. Famine is nature’s way of saying there are too many people. Stop reproducing.”
“Send them a box of condoms instead of any food. They only know how to breed nonstop and then beg for food,” says another.
These are the ill-informed and sometimes ugly attitudes that permeate public commentary around the crisis, which is putting up to 23 million people at risk of starvation and has been described as the worst humanitarian disaster since World War II.
Local NGO Plan International Australia has performed an audit of the public’s perception and attitudes of the disaster as the aid community grapples with why normally generous donors are not responding to this crisis the way they usually do.
It found that despite sympathetic mainstream media news reports on the crisis, the comments in response were consistently and pervasively negative.
The public will be browbeaten into submission.
MOST COMMON ATTITUDES TO EAST AFRICA FAMINE
1. Overpopulation is the cause of the famine.
2. Domestic issues are more important than providing aid to other countries.
3. The money never arrives to those who need it.
4. Famine is always happening in Africa.
5. People affected by famine deserve it.
6. Why give money when people in the developing world should simply help themselves?
7. Providing humanitarian aid indentures people into poverty.
8. Islam is to blame for the crisis.
The only intelligent column on all of unz.com about African fertility is the one written by Karlin. He predicts Africa being able to accommodate population growth because Africa has a lot of land and will be able to import technological innovation from other countries.
Told her wouldn't donate money to get people healthy, so they could do a repeat of this mess, but I would give money to buy condoms.
Christ, she went ap* shi*t over the phone, getting hysterical about a sane comment. But they didn't get any money, since they refused to use it for birth control.
They will start 3-4 billion new hip hop record labels within 6 months of arriving in the USA.
It will be a golden age of rap.
Ignorant and ugly: Australian social media attitudes to an African disaster
"Africa made its own problems. Quit having 10 kids. Famine is nature's way of saying there are too many people. Stop reproducing."
"Send them a box of condoms instead of any food. They only know how to breed nonstop and then beg for food," says another.
These are the ill-informed and sometimes ugly attitudes that permeate public commentary around the crisis, which is putting up to 23 million people at risk of starvation and has been described as the worst humanitarian disaster since World War II.
Local NGO Plan International Australia has performed an audit of the public's perception and attitudes of the disaster as the aid community grapples with why normally generous donors are not responding to this crisis the way they usually do.
It found that despite sympathetic mainstream media news reports on the crisis, the comments in response were consistently and pervasively negative.
The public will be browbeaten into submission.
MOST COMMON ATTITUDES TO EAST AFRICA FAMINE
1. Overpopulation is the cause of the famine.
2. Domestic issues are more important than providing aid to other countries.
3. The money never arrives to those who need it.
4. Famine is always happening in Africa.
5. People affected by famine deserve it.
6. Why give money when people in the developing world should simply help themselves?
7. Providing humanitarian aid indentures people into poverty.
8. Islam is to blame for the crisis.Replies: @PA (paworldandtimes), @anon, @Pericles, @Greg Bacon
Da goyim know — the “propaganda war” can’t stop the tsunami of White Awakenings.
The Watutsi aka the Tutsi are the tallest people in the world, on average. Or so I read, back in the days when snippets of HBD information were still allowed in National Geographic wisdom.
Paul Kagame is probably viewed by his tribe as a short man .
Another city where UN currently has lots of staff is Zurich Switzerland. Wow, New York City, Zurich Switzerland. No wonder UN officials don't feel any pressing need to make positive recommendations.Replies: @Old fogey
I think that you meant Geneva, where the WHO is located, not Zurich. Of course, changing from one Swiss city to another doesn’t invalidate your excellent point.
Since I cannot remember any significant projection of the future that actually came out the way it was predicted – especially by the United Nations – I find myself delighted with these numbers.
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With signficant capital subsequently going into resource extraction, there is insufficient available to fully replace degrading capital within the industrial sector itself. Consequently, despite heightened industrial activity attempting to satisfy multiple demands from all sectors and the population, actual industrial output per capita begins to fall precipitously, from about 2015, while pollution from the industrial activity continues to grow. The reduction of inputs produced per capita. Similarly, services (e.g., health and education) are not maintained due to insufficient capital and inputs.
Diminishing per capita supply of services and food cause a rise in the death rate from about 2020 (and somewhat lower rise in the birth rate, due to reduced birth control options). The global population therefore falls, at about half a billion per decade, starting at about 2030. Following the collapse, the output of the World3 model for the standard run (figure 1 to figure 3) shows that average living standards for the aggregate population (material wealth, food and services per capita) resemble those of the early 20th century.(Turner, 2012, p. 121)..."
Entire article here: https://www.theautomaticearth.com/2017/06/the-dynamics-of-depletion/
Gail Tverberg at her website "Our Finite World" : https://ourfiniteworld.com makes a clearer and more compelling case as to why "The Limits To Growth" are real and upon us now. Africa exists more as a wild animal population than a modern one driven by economics but as it is dependent on the output of the rest of the world to sustain itself it cannot be a population outlier as economic output elsewhere dries up.
There is no way Mother Nature and/or the Chinese will allow those kind of numbers once the White West goes financially bankrupt (save for a few pockets the West is already Spiritually bankrupt).
Do you have any? Does anybody have a solution, with a plausible chance of ever actually being put into practice?
But first, the Blairs and Sarkozies of this world must feel the wrath of the citizenry for creating the conditions for for uncontrolled migration from sub-Saharan Africa, namely for the description of the formerly functional states in the Middle East, which used to be the barriers for the migration
Sarkozy & Blair & Merkel & Hollande' legacy is the degradation of Europe with low IQ migration by way of degradation (on the US/Israel orders) the formerly functioning states of Iraq, Libya, and Syria.
Vatican should initiate a series of excommunication of mega-war profiteers of all stripes, including oilmen -- the most Catholic Tony Blair should be first in line. The state of Israel must be called again and again for what this little parasitoid is -- the supremacist aggressor that has been using American might and resources for recreating the mythological Eretz Israel, for the price of slaughtering millions of human beings in the Middle East. See Iraq, Libya, and Syria.
It would be good to look at UN forecasts from, say, 20 years ago to see how they panned out. That would give us comfort that we are looking at good figures here.
Secondly, it might be an idea to look forward just 20 years (one African generation). This time horizon is of more concern to most people of voting age.
BTW, 40 years ago, the word was that the next Ice Age was imminent.
Lots of things happen in the long term. Extrapolating a few years of data, a lot of it questionable coming from poorly organized regions of the world, into a decades-long trend encompasses a whole lot of assumptions, the first one being that everything is going to remain the same as it is now to allow the trend to continue.
It is like assuming a blizzard is going to last forever and then making predictions about how in 10 years we are going to have two miles deep of snow cover. Kind of ridiculous, no?
Even worse than making up such alarmist stuff is falling for it.
https://www.nap.edu/read/9828/chapter/4#44
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00324720127686
Those seem to conclude the projections have been reasonably accurate (although the relative lack of studies more recently than 1998 data might be suspicious).
However, the issue with the African projections is very specific: how quickly (if at all) will the fertility transition happen? (leaving aside the Malthusian correction potential) I think it would be helpful to focus on predictions of transitions from high fertility to lower fertility with a particular interest in those for Africa itself (i.e. Africans and Asians are different). I suspect that analysis would not be encouraging. The million dollar question is whether the demographers will be right this time that an African fertility decline is right around the corner.
With comparisons to the past it's important to note that the smaller historical size of African populations would cause projection errors there to be muted in the worldwide numbers.
We had this world, but we didn’t like it —
so now we will have this world —
It’s simple, and classic: When in a hole, stop digging.
Ignorant and ugly: Australian social media attitudes to an African disaster
"Africa made its own problems. Quit having 10 kids. Famine is nature's way of saying there are too many people. Stop reproducing."
"Send them a box of condoms instead of any food. They only know how to breed nonstop and then beg for food," says another.
These are the ill-informed and sometimes ugly attitudes that permeate public commentary around the crisis, which is putting up to 23 million people at risk of starvation and has been described as the worst humanitarian disaster since World War II.
Local NGO Plan International Australia has performed an audit of the public's perception and attitudes of the disaster as the aid community grapples with why normally generous donors are not responding to this crisis the way they usually do.
It found that despite sympathetic mainstream media news reports on the crisis, the comments in response were consistently and pervasively negative.
The public will be browbeaten into submission.
MOST COMMON ATTITUDES TO EAST AFRICA FAMINE
1. Overpopulation is the cause of the famine.
2. Domestic issues are more important than providing aid to other countries.
3. The money never arrives to those who need it.
4. Famine is always happening in Africa.
5. People affected by famine deserve it.
6. Why give money when people in the developing world should simply help themselves?
7. Providing humanitarian aid indentures people into poverty.
8. Islam is to blame for the crisis.Replies: @PA (paworldandtimes), @anon, @Pericles, @Greg Bacon
To be fair a lot of criticisms of African individuals for having a lot of kids is off base. There are no prospects in those countries except for farming and herding. Child mortality is 25%. If you were a herder why wouldn’t you have more kids as it enhances security for your family? Send a box of condoms type comments are indeed dumb.
The only intelligent column on all of unz.com about African fertility is the one written by Karlin. He predicts Africa being able to accommodate population growth because Africa has a lot of land and will be able to import technological innovation from other countries.
‘Lie back and think of England’ indeed.
The land of Tony Blair, New Labour and The Economist magazine.
I have one bold statement to make:
If the EU goes, then Europe has a chance of still being populated by mainly indigenous Europeans by year 2100.
If the EU remains, it has absolutely no chance whatsoever.
Remember, Ancient Rome gave many impressive gasps before it faded into barbarism. I hope we are about to see one of those waves.Replies: @englishmike, @Wizard of Oz
Does anyone know what percentage of Africa’s wealth is generated there and how much of it consists of foreign aid and remittances from emigrants?
The website ‘Automatic Earth’ has some excerpts from 1972’a MIT study “Limits To Growth” and it is eerily prescient.
”
With signficant capital subsequently going into resource extraction, there is insufficient available to fully replace degrading capital within the industrial sector itself. Consequently, despite heightened industrial activity attempting to satisfy multiple demands from all sectors and the population, actual industrial output per capita begins to fall precipitously, from about 2015, while pollution from the industrial activity continues to grow. The reduction of inputs produced per capita. Similarly, services (e.g., health and education) are not maintained due to insufficient capital and inputs.
Diminishing per capita supply of services and food cause a rise in the death rate from about 2020 (and somewhat lower rise in the birth rate, due to reduced birth control options). The global population therefore falls, at about half a billion per decade, starting at about 2030. Following the collapse, the output of the World3 model for the standard run (figure 1 to figure 3) shows that average living standards for the aggregate population (material wealth, food and services per capita) resemble those of the early 20th century.(Turner, 2012, p. 121)…”
Entire article here: https://www.theautomaticearth.com/2017/06/the-dynamics-of-depletion/
Gail Tverberg at her website “Our Finite World” : https://ourfiniteworld.com makes a clearer and more compelling case as to why “The Limits To Growth” are real and upon us now. Africa exists more as a wild animal population than a modern one driven by economics but as it is dependent on the output of the rest of the world to sustain itself it cannot be a population outlier as economic output elsewhere dries up.
Hopefully you will be gone in a few years. You’ve had your time to live now move along. Give the African children a chance to live. What if your mom had gotten bombed by nuclear fusion and airplane flyovers. Its over for you face it.
Buy ammo and figure out how many of the horde we are each responsible for dealing with when it all falls apart.
Vox applauds the ball-peen hammer solution to inequality
"a 40 percent decrease in the black maternal mortality rate paired with an over 100 percent increase in white maternal mortality rate is presented as a policy success."
http://andrewgelman.com/2017/07/03/maternal-death-rate-problems-north-carolina/Replies: @Tokeo
Its over for that lol. Goodbye
https://youtu.be/zad7fkhGzzs
so now we will have this world --
https://youtu.be/-TYlcVNI2AMReplies: @Tokeo
And we blacks will be glad when that boring classical music is gone. String instruments day is done massa..lol..now lets hit it…Drums Please!!!! Lol.
It will be a golden age of rap.Replies: @anonymous, @res
Does that mean that the big Hollywood crisis in 2040 will be the lack of Academy Award nominations for “Straight out of Congo”?
Discussions here are a precursor to action.
Five percent of the population determines public policy; if you find yourself in that five percent, do something positive.
The way ahead is not always clear; what happens is often an emergent characteristic of a three body type problem.
One should plan for you and your’s personal lives; be prepared for the coming human tsunami.
unit472 beat me to it, but all those doomsday predictions made in the 70s about the effects over-population and resource depletion were always for the 21st century, not the 20th century. So 20th century claims that they were debunked were particularly dishonest. This stuff was always supposed to start going down about now. And it is.
My biggest takeaways from the "Limits to Growth" etc. doomsday literature and the aftermath were:
1. Markets and human ingenuity are surprisingly powerful and not to be underestimated.
2. With exponential growth everything seems to be OK until suddenly it is not (cf. bugs doubling in a jar example).
How the tension plays out between the two of these is difficult to predict. My suspicion is that markets are imperfect and time laggy enough that eventually things will break down in one area (e.g. food, water, fuels, other natural resources) and that will be enough to cause major problems. Worth noting the lagginess of the effect of fertility changes on population change as well.
Of course, major technological advances like effective nuclear fusion or space/seabed mining are wildcards in any analysis of this.
P.S. Making predictions in this area is a lot like predicting the end of a stock market bubble. It is all too easy to end up as a Cassandra.Replies: @eD
Secondly, it might be an idea to look forward just 20 years (one African generation). This time horizon is of more concern to most people of voting age.Replies: @biz, @anonguy, @res
I recall reading a few years ago that the actual global population and population of various regions in 2015 tended to be at the high end of the UN’s population forecasts from 20 years prior.
African (or Latino and Muslim) migration could easily be stopped. There isn’t a modern navy or air force anywhere in Africa. It wouldn’t be that difficult to make Africans stay in Africa if the desire to do so existed among our so-called elites.
Secondly, it might be an idea to look forward just 20 years (one African generation). This time horizon is of more concern to most people of voting age.Replies: @biz, @anonguy, @res
Twenty years ago, the word was that Africa was facing depopulation because of AIDs.
BTW, 40 years ago, the word was that the next Ice Age was imminent.
Lots of things happen in the long term. Extrapolating a few years of data, a lot of it questionable coming from poorly organized regions of the world, into a decades-long trend encompasses a whole lot of assumptions, the first one being that everything is going to remain the same as it is now to allow the trend to continue.
It is like assuming a blizzard is going to last forever and then making predictions about how in 10 years we are going to have two miles deep of snow cover. Kind of ridiculous, no?
Even worse than making up such alarmist stuff is falling for it.
If the EU goes, then Europe has a chance of still being populated by mainly indigenous Europeans by year 2100.
If the EU remains, it has absolutely no chance whatsoever.Replies: @Yak-15
Perhaps all these moronic attempts to destroy European civilization will wake Europeans out of their slumber. Perhaps they are setting the course for a major resurgence in nationalism that will reassert Europe as a dominant culture.
Remember, Ancient Rome gave many impressive gasps before it faded into barbarism. I hope we are about to see one of those waves.
Don't confuse empires - which by their nature are anti-democratic - with nations - which are the natural homes of democracy. Similarly, nations are the natural home of a people's "culture" (though not of course the only one).
The only way for Europe to be reasserted "as a dominant culture" is for the pseudo-globalist "EU" to disappear, so that the nations of Europe can rediscover what remains of their own cultures and allow them to grow, within democratic institutions, unhindered by some external bureaucratic power structure.
I don't like the sound of "Europe as a dominant culture". Let us have our nations back. After that "European culture" can redefine itself.Replies: @Rob McX
Apocalypse travels by Four Horsemen – War, Famine, Pestilence, and Death.
Death is the superset encompassing the other three and capturing all happenstance that falls outside the other three.
But the modern world – rapid transit, high population densities at every node on the chain of modern transportation – the other Three Horsemen are poised for a comeback.
Pestilence especially. Its been a century since this planet had a decent plague in the Spanish Flu. AIDS has proven to be a lifestyle annoyance, but it blazed the path for the new means of rapid pathogen transmission.
Mother Nature is a Nasty B*tch, Red in Tooth and Claw. And She has only one way of testing her babies. To destruction. But when enabled, she is a very effective wench at culling the herd. One thousand years ago, the Silk Road was a relatively rapid means of transmitting plague from Kamchatka to Cadiz. Today, you need merely Fly the Unfriendly Skies of United.
Full agreement.
It will be a golden age of rap.Replies: @anonymous, @res
Rap songs rotting in the studios?
I suspect by the time we reach that point society would have taken a harsher posture to migration from Africa. Thus more forceful measures would be employed. Africans aren’t particularly brave, kill a couple of them the rest get the hint. Arabs/Berbers etc have existed in close proximity to blacks for centuries and easily subdued them. They don’t have problematic notions of human rights getting in their way.
The organisations that have these ships get more threats every day.
Secondly, it might be an idea to look forward just 20 years (one African generation). This time horizon is of more concern to most people of voting age.Replies: @biz, @anonguy, @res
There is some literature on this. For example:
https://www.nap.edu/read/9828/chapter/4#44
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00324720127686
Those seem to conclude the projections have been reasonably accurate (although the relative lack of studies more recently than 1998 data might be suspicious).
However, the issue with the African projections is very specific: how quickly (if at all) will the fertility transition happen? (leaving aside the Malthusian correction potential) I think it would be helpful to focus on predictions of transitions from high fertility to lower fertility with a particular interest in those for Africa itself (i.e. Africans and Asians are different). I suspect that analysis would not be encouraging. The million dollar question is whether the demographers will be right this time that an African fertility decline is right around the corner.
With comparisons to the past it’s important to note that the smaller historical size of African populations would cause projection errors there to be muted in the worldwide numbers.
The problem is the doomsday literature underestimated the ability of technology (and increased prices) to increase food and natural resource output. Therefore the midterm projections were wrong and the whole idea became discredited (the why and who of the degree to which this discrediting happened is worth thinking about).
My biggest takeaways from the “Limits to Growth” etc. doomsday literature and the aftermath were:
1. Markets and human ingenuity are surprisingly powerful and not to be underestimated.
2. With exponential growth everything seems to be OK until suddenly it is not (cf. bugs doubling in a jar example).
How the tension plays out between the two of these is difficult to predict. My suspicion is that markets are imperfect and time laggy enough that eventually things will break down in one area (e.g. food, water, fuels, other natural resources) and that will be enough to cause major problems. Worth noting the lagginess of the effect of fertility changes on population change as well.
Of course, major technological advances like effective nuclear fusion or space/seabed mining are wildcards in any analysis of this.
P.S. Making predictions in this area is a lot like predicting the end of a stock market bubble. It is all too easy to end up as a Cassandra.
Previous advances that raised the carrying capacity of Earth for humans were the ages of discovery/ Columbian exchange, breaching the 500 million barrier. Harnessing steam power breached the 1 billion barrier. The second industrial revolution and petroleum got humans past 3 million. Then the green revolution and other advances in tech such as containerization and improved extraction techniques took over.
The assumption is that while Malthusian barriers exist, every time humans are about to hit it, we will pull a new technological advance from the hat and it will be no problem.
Of course, just because this has happened several times in the past doesn't mean that it will keep happening. Its a simple matter of logic. If you are going in for magical thinking, you might as well go all the way and start believing a benevolent diety or dieties will always provide for more humans.
There is also a mathematical problem with exponential growth. As the population grows, the barrier has to be breached in a more and more spectacular way. For example, say we could terraform and settle Mars, and that provides for another 3 billion humans. Great! Except that with a population already in excess of 7 billion, it actually doesn't take a high rate of growth to add another 3 billion. The absolute increase of population has held steady at about 50 million per year for decades now despite sharply falling birthrates on a worldwide basis, simply because as the base number increases, smaller percentage increases are needed to produce the same absolute increase.
So even something like terraforming Mars only winds up buying a few decades. And as you stated, its very much a situation of things looking great until they aren't.Replies: @The Alarmist
I’m beginning to weary of this picking over figures and projections of something that nobody on earth can accurately predict – too many variables and black swan events to be factored in. It boils down to two things:
Whatever happens, there’ll be far more Africans than can support themselves.
It’s not our problem unless we make it so.
The US has always been a place where gifted people like Edison, Henry Ford, Carnegie and hundreds of thousands of others have lifted many millions of ordinary Americans up out of the mire with forward progress. Yes, these gifted people end up living in castles and elite communities and they command industries, but allowing this wealth to exist does far more for the ordinary people than it does for the wealthy. That’s been true in every western nation, in fact.
So if that’s true for a nation, then why wouldn’t it be true for the world? Allowing the world’s most prosperous nations to remain the most prosperous nations (given that they can maintain the internal drive to do so) only makes sense if the United Nations wants the world to prosper. I mean, why are there so many Africans today? Because the West developed science and medicine and applied them (dysfunctionally so) to the benefit of Africans. Africa and Africans (save maybe North Africans) will never prosper on their own, but the UN wants to – as Jean Luc Picard would say – “make it so.” Whether Africans live inside or outside of Africa, however, they will always be “the white man’s burden.”
It simply means a return to the way the world was prior to the arrival of those that came to destroy us 3000 years ago.
My biggest takeaways from the "Limits to Growth" etc. doomsday literature and the aftermath were:
1. Markets and human ingenuity are surprisingly powerful and not to be underestimated.
2. With exponential growth everything seems to be OK until suddenly it is not (cf. bugs doubling in a jar example).
How the tension plays out between the two of these is difficult to predict. My suspicion is that markets are imperfect and time laggy enough that eventually things will break down in one area (e.g. food, water, fuels, other natural resources) and that will be enough to cause major problems. Worth noting the lagginess of the effect of fertility changes on population change as well.
Of course, major technological advances like effective nuclear fusion or space/seabed mining are wildcards in any analysis of this.
P.S. Making predictions in this area is a lot like predicting the end of a stock market bubble. It is all too easy to end up as a Cassandra.Replies: @eD
Limits to worldwide human population have been raised before several times, and that confuses people.
Previous advances that raised the carrying capacity of Earth for humans were the ages of discovery/ Columbian exchange, breaching the 500 million barrier. Harnessing steam power breached the 1 billion barrier. The second industrial revolution and petroleum got humans past 3 million. Then the green revolution and other advances in tech such as containerization and improved extraction techniques took over.
The assumption is that while Malthusian barriers exist, every time humans are about to hit it, we will pull a new technological advance from the hat and it will be no problem.
Of course, just because this has happened several times in the past doesn’t mean that it will keep happening. Its a simple matter of logic. If you are going in for magical thinking, you might as well go all the way and start believing a benevolent diety or dieties will always provide for more humans.
There is also a mathematical problem with exponential growth. As the population grows, the barrier has to be breached in a more and more spectacular way. For example, say we could terraform and settle Mars, and that provides for another 3 billion humans. Great! Except that with a population already in excess of 7 billion, it actually doesn’t take a high rate of growth to add another 3 billion. The absolute increase of population has held steady at about 50 million per year for decades now despite sharply falling birthrates on a worldwide basis, simply because as the base number increases, smaller percentage increases are needed to produce the same absolute increase.
So even something like terraforming Mars only winds up buying a few decades. And as you stated, its very much a situation of things looking great until they aren’t.
Bill Gates, whose foundation has spent billions to help Africans, now has this to say about immigration:
While here Gates seems right, I for one still don't trust him or Melinda, his even more pernicious wife.
Soo 4 billion by 2100… 4 billion, like Asia tight now. That’s your problem really?
This selective stupidity is why you people keep losing.
Because Steve is pandering to the lowest denominator. The sort that couldn’t find “Africa” on a map, doesn’t know that population figures are extrapolated from bogus data and absolutely refuses to believe that only a negligible percentage of Africans care to migrate.
And it doesn't have to be a large
proportion of Africa's 2050 population wanting to migrate for it to threaten European identity.
OK, just did for a microsecond or so -- that's long enough.
https://twitter.com/BritishArmy/status/881923045643796480Replies: @Nan
Try thinking of an earlier version of England, say WWII, when Hitler cast Queen Mary as the most dangerous woman in the world and Princess Elizabeth was a badass mechanic and truck driver.
When people suggested that the Queen send the princesses to the country, where they’d be safer, she said they weren’t going without her, she wasn’t going without the King and he wasn’t leaving London.
How about no famine relief for countries with a birthrate over 3? Right now, there is famine in South Sudan, Somalia, Ethiopia, and Northeast Nigeria.
Southern Sudan is simply playing out traditional conflict between the Nuer and Dinka tribes. It’s ethnocentric as hell to intervene in this.
The fertility rate by country:
South Sudan: about 5. http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/south-sudan-population/
Ethiopia: mid 4’s. http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/ethiopia-population/
Somalia: mid 6’s. http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/somalia-population/
Northeast Nigeria: 5-6. http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/nigeria-population/
Anon7:
While here Gates seems right, I for one still don’t trust him or Melinda, his even more pernicious wife.
Nigerian Nationalist:
“Biafra’ll be independent whether they like it or not – Asari-Dokubo”, Vanguard, July 2, 2017:
Indigenous People of Biafra (IPOB):
Biafra must stand…
“Biafra Heroes Day: Remembering fallen heroes of a country that once was:
The civil war, say members of the Biafran community, was actually a genocide that is rarely talked about.”, Express News Service, New Delhi, May 31, 2015.
P.S Apologies Steve, I usually am more polite than this, but I still think your fears on this issue is overblown.
The fact of the matter is, most parts of Asia are as populous now, as Africa will be by 2100, with the exact same problem of oases of prosperity in a sea of poverty which Africa will face. There is no migrating horde, the vast majority of Africans, stay in Africa. I mean Nigeria has what 170m and 1-3m of those in America, where they're one of your country's highest earners BTW.
Logically those same percentages will hold even with increased population. Too much hysteria, way too much.Replies: @Kyle McKenna
Which is why I’ve long thought that somewhere there’s an alternative UN of China, India, Russia, and Japan behind the scenes. Though I can’t say I’ve given it much thought beyond that. I spend most of my time with this topic just trying to apprise GoodThinkers of the (engineered/installed) flaws in their reasoning.
What’s the forecast look like in the absence of Western aid?
Just imagine how different things would be if we hadn’t spent the past century feeding starving Africans. Talk about ‘contraindicated’!
"Biafra’ll be independent whether they like it or not – Asari-Dokubo", Vanguard, July 2, 2017:Indigenous People of Biafra (IPOB):Biafra must stand...
"Biafra Heroes Day: Remembering fallen heroes of a country that once was:
The civil war, say members of the Biafran community, was actually a genocide that is rarely talked about.", Express News Service, New Delhi, May 31, 2015.Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist
They’re greater odds of California or Catalonia becoming independent. Scratch that, greater odds of Richard Spencer’s White nation.
P.S Apologies Steve, I usually am more polite than this, but I still think your fears on this issue is overblown.
The fact of the matter is, most parts of Asia are as populous now, as Africa will be by 2100, with the exact same problem of oases of prosperity in a sea of poverty which Africa will face. There is no migrating horde, the vast majority of Africans, stay in Africa. I mean Nigeria has what 170m and 1-3m of those in America, where they’re one of your country’s highest earners BTW.
Logically those same percentages will hold even with increased population. Too much hysteria, way too much.
Stop giving them everything for free, stop anchor babies, stop the ‘family reunification’ scam and they will not come, simple as that.
But then the anti-white-gentile Left loves buying votes with taxpayers money.
Ignorant and ugly: Australian social media attitudes to an African disaster
"Africa made its own problems. Quit having 10 kids. Famine is nature's way of saying there are too many people. Stop reproducing."
"Send them a box of condoms instead of any food. They only know how to breed nonstop and then beg for food," says another.
These are the ill-informed and sometimes ugly attitudes that permeate public commentary around the crisis, which is putting up to 23 million people at risk of starvation and has been described as the worst humanitarian disaster since World War II.
Local NGO Plan International Australia has performed an audit of the public's perception and attitudes of the disaster as the aid community grapples with why normally generous donors are not responding to this crisis the way they usually do.
It found that despite sympathetic mainstream media news reports on the crisis, the comments in response were consistently and pervasively negative.
The public will be browbeaten into submission.
MOST COMMON ATTITUDES TO EAST AFRICA FAMINE
1. Overpopulation is the cause of the famine.
2. Domestic issues are more important than providing aid to other countries.
3. The money never arrives to those who need it.
4. Famine is always happening in Africa.
5. People affected by famine deserve it.
6. Why give money when people in the developing world should simply help themselves?
7. Providing humanitarian aid indentures people into poverty.
8. Islam is to blame for the crisis.Replies: @PA (paworldandtimes), @anon, @Pericles, @Greg Bacon
In 1984, Bob Geldof and friends sang for those starving in Ethiopia and not an eye was dry in the house. The population was then almost 39 million. Today, it’s 103 million. Foreign aid efforts continue.
P.S Apologies Steve, I usually am more polite than this, but I still think your fears on this issue is overblown.
The fact of the matter is, most parts of Asia are as populous now, as Africa will be by 2100, with the exact same problem of oases of prosperity in a sea of poverty which Africa will face. There is no migrating horde, the vast majority of Africans, stay in Africa. I mean Nigeria has what 170m and 1-3m of those in America, where they're one of your country's highest earners BTW.
Logically those same percentages will hold even with increased population. Too much hysteria, way too much.Replies: @Kyle McKenna
At the risk of repetition, exporting just two percent of your population is one thing when your continent has 800 million, but something else indeed (for the recipient nations) if it has eight billion.
Any way you look at it, it’s a colossally destructive force coming down the pike. Even social-grievance types may sit up and take notice, though of course it’ll be far too late by the time that happens.
So 2%, that's 80m in the diaspora. Now go look at how much Europe is haemorrhaging.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income
Per this, Nigerian immigrants outearn even French ones, we send you our best!
All in all, man up, quit getting your panties in a damn bunch.Replies: @Kyle McKenna
Already in the sixties my professor ‘aid to developing countries’ explained that the governments of these countries did not want medical aid: ‘just more mouths to feed’.
Anyone with some common sense understands that the present rate of growth of world population is unsustainable, depite propaganda for eating locusts.
The problem began long ago with Mozes’ new religion ‘multiply’, we also thank hatred to homosexuality to Mozes.
The pope still sees birth control as sin.
In the good old times polytheistic peoples knew quite well how to control population size.
As Sarrazin writes ‘if the cultures of third world countries does not change w’re in for disaster’.
Yesterday this disaster was made quite clear, the number of migrants is such that Italy can no longer accept them, the other EU countries make humanistic statements, but refuse to take them.
Therefore Austria sent soldiers with tanks to the Brenner pass, the main connection with Italy.
These tanks, I suppose, are not meant for machine gunning migrants, but to make a statement.
By what method or methods?
Yesterday the Austrian government sent tanks to the Brenner pass, the main connection with Italy, the country that wants to close its ports to ships rescuing migrants.
The organisations that have these ships get more threats every day.
There must be no help to them, no immigration allowed and any attempts to immigrate illegally must be violently squashed. This is not a laughing matter and solution is plainly having will to do things that are necessary. If they want to have 7-9 babies, it is their problem to feed them and they should not expect any assistance.
I do not like feely touchy attitudes displayed here that nothing can be done. This is the least productive and capable part of humanity growing like cancer.
This is going to be yet another stimulus towards white solidarity and ingroup vs outgroup thinking amongst whites.Replies: @The Alarmist
Nah, that’s gonna keep going til the last white folk are dead, which is somewhere around 2076 … Happy Tricentennial, America… it was a good run while it lasted.
Previous advances that raised the carrying capacity of Earth for humans were the ages of discovery/ Columbian exchange, breaching the 500 million barrier. Harnessing steam power breached the 1 billion barrier. The second industrial revolution and petroleum got humans past 3 million. Then the green revolution and other advances in tech such as containerization and improved extraction techniques took over.
The assumption is that while Malthusian barriers exist, every time humans are about to hit it, we will pull a new technological advance from the hat and it will be no problem.
Of course, just because this has happened several times in the past doesn't mean that it will keep happening. Its a simple matter of logic. If you are going in for magical thinking, you might as well go all the way and start believing a benevolent diety or dieties will always provide for more humans.
There is also a mathematical problem with exponential growth. As the population grows, the barrier has to be breached in a more and more spectacular way. For example, say we could terraform and settle Mars, and that provides for another 3 billion humans. Great! Except that with a population already in excess of 7 billion, it actually doesn't take a high rate of growth to add another 3 billion. The absolute increase of population has held steady at about 50 million per year for decades now despite sharply falling birthrates on a worldwide basis, simply because as the base number increases, smaller percentage increases are needed to produce the same absolute increase.
So even something like terraforming Mars only winds up buying a few decades. And as you stated, its very much a situation of things looking great until they aren't.Replies: @The Alarmist
And like the bacteria in a Petri dish, we grow to our extinction, or we find a larger dish.
I'm inclined (after reading about the Kalgeri plan) to think this boner (food and medical aid that has allowed for such a population explosion) is intentional on the part of some.Replies: @englishmike
Count Richard Nikolaus von Coudenhove-Kalergi* was certainly, as they say, “ahead of his time”. No-one interested in the history and the future (if it has one) of Western Civilisation can be considered educated if they are unaware of the Kalergi Plan, and its influence on the formation of the “European Union”. Nor can America afford to ignore this as a merely “European problem”. Steve Sailer’s blogs on The World’s Most Important Graph make that clear to the minority who are aware of them.
But I’d like to add a footnote about Peter Sutherland – “UN migration chief”- and the little insight he gave into the the purpose of building a “multicultural” Europe (he was addressing the members of a British House of Lords sub-committee in 2012). You can find the same report on the BBC news website and the website of something called “Immigrant Magazine”, as well as a video recording of the event on YouTube.
The written report begins:
I quote the following extracts from later in the BBC report:
Sutherland may not be widely known, but he is a key figure in the globalist project. Among other things he is: “non-executive chairman of Goldman Sachs International and a former chairman of oil giant BP, [and he] heads the Global Forum on Migration and Development , which brings together representatives of 160 nations to share policy ideas”. Also he “has attended meetings of The Bilderberg Group , a top level international networking organisation often criticised for its alleged secrecy”,
In addition, of course, he is “the UN’s special representative for migration”.
*Coudenhove-Kalergi was the first recipient of the Charlemagne Prize, which celebrates distinguished contributors to “the European process of unification”. More recent recipients were Tony Blair (1999), who wanted “to rub the noses of the right in diversity”, Bill Clinton (2000) and Angela Merkel (2008).
Ignorant and ugly: Australian social media attitudes to an African disaster
"Africa made its own problems. Quit having 10 kids. Famine is nature's way of saying there are too many people. Stop reproducing."
"Send them a box of condoms instead of any food. They only know how to breed nonstop and then beg for food," says another.
These are the ill-informed and sometimes ugly attitudes that permeate public commentary around the crisis, which is putting up to 23 million people at risk of starvation and has been described as the worst humanitarian disaster since World War II.
Local NGO Plan International Australia has performed an audit of the public's perception and attitudes of the disaster as the aid community grapples with why normally generous donors are not responding to this crisis the way they usually do.
It found that despite sympathetic mainstream media news reports on the crisis, the comments in response were consistently and pervasively negative.
The public will be browbeaten into submission.
MOST COMMON ATTITUDES TO EAST AFRICA FAMINE
1. Overpopulation is the cause of the famine.
2. Domestic issues are more important than providing aid to other countries.
3. The money never arrives to those who need it.
4. Famine is always happening in Africa.
5. People affected by famine deserve it.
6. Why give money when people in the developing world should simply help themselves?
7. Providing humanitarian aid indentures people into poverty.
8. Islam is to blame for the crisis.Replies: @PA (paworldandtimes), @anon, @Pericles, @Greg Bacon
Got a phone call one evening from some lady representing a charity, asking for money to help offset the latest African famine.
Told her wouldn’t donate money to get people healthy, so they could do a repeat of this mess, but I would give money to buy condoms.
Christ, she went ap* shi*t over the phone, getting hysterical about a sane comment. But they didn’t get any money, since they refused to use it for birth control.
Remember, Ancient Rome gave many impressive gasps before it faded into barbarism. I hope we are about to see one of those waves.Replies: @englishmike, @Wizard of Oz
“Ancient Rome” was an empire. The EU is a political construct forced upon the peoples of the European nations – in Vox Day’s apt description: “a stealth empire”.
Don’t confuse empires – which by their nature are anti-democratic – with nations – which are the natural homes of democracy. Similarly, nations are the natural home of a people’s “culture” (though not of course the only one).
The only way for Europe to be reasserted “as a dominant culture” is for the pseudo-globalist “EU” to disappear, so that the nations of Europe can rediscover what remains of their own cultures and allow them to grow, within democratic institutions, unhindered by some external bureaucratic power structure.
I don’t like the sound of “Europe as a dominant culture”. Let us have our nations back. After that “European culture” can redefine itself.
My opinion is that the UN bureaucrats, chiefs, officials, and managers are far more interested in maintaining and expanding their tax-free, unaccountable salaries and perks than in actually improving anything.
“Does anybody have a solution…?”
Protecting a soverejnity of your own country, by guarding the borders and sending back home all illegals?
But first, the Blairs and Sarkozies of this world must feel the wrath of the citizenry for creating the conditions for for uncontrolled migration from sub-Saharan Africa, namely for the description of the formerly functional states in the Middle East, which used to be the barriers for the migration
Sarkozy & Blair & Merkel & Hollande’ legacy is the degradation of Europe with low IQ migration by way of degradation (on the US/Israel orders) the formerly functioning states of Iraq, Libya, and Syria.
Vatican should initiate a series of excommunication of mega-war profiteers of all stripes, including oilmen — the most Catholic Tony Blair should be first in line. The state of Israel must be called again and again for what this little parasitoid is — the supremacist aggressor that has been using American might and resources for recreating the mythological Eretz Israel, for the price of slaughtering millions of human beings in the Middle East. See Iraq, Libya, and Syria.
Apr 17, 2017 The Most Dangerous Philosophy: What The Oligarchs Don’t Want You To Know
Derrick Broze of TheConsciousResistance com joins us once again to discuss his latest book, co-authored with John Vibes, Manifesto of the Free Humans.
*Sigh* We are looking at the same chart, right? You know, Steve’s which puts the population at 4bn by 2100.
So 2%, that’s 80m in the diaspora. Now go look at how much Europe is haemorrhaging.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income
Per this, Nigerian immigrants outearn even French ones, we send you our best!
All in all, man up, quit getting your panties in a damn bunch.
Africans love shagging – with the hunting situation the way it is and when there is no handy war going on nearby, it’s just about all there is for the rural blokes to do (digging wells is for stupid do-gooders from Europe) – they try to see how many women they can do in a day – condom free naturally: “Live for today, man!”
My niece, working in N. Carolina in a black-majority school, reports that things are not too different there either.
Now I don’t mind a good shag myself but in my culture I have to deal with the consequences.
Africans love shagging – with the hunting situation the way it is and when there is no handy war going on nearby, it’s just about all there is for the rural blokes to do (digging wells is for stupid do-gooders from Europe) – they try to see how many women they can have in a day – condom free naturally: “Live for today, man!”
My niece, working in N. Carolina in a black-majority school, reports that things aren’t too different there either.
Now I don’t mind a good shag myself but in my culture I have to deal with the consequences.
You obviously know nothing of Michael Mann’s and the IPCC’s infamous “hockey stick”. And as you are obviously ignorant I point out that Mann misreprented knowable past facts.
Remember, Ancient Rome gave many impressive gasps before it faded into barbarism. I hope we are about to see one of those waves.Replies: @englishmike, @Wizard of Oz
Too late. Even the inadequate bteeding by Eutopeans is dysgenic. Helping the smart to afford and want to have lots of children is just not PC.
Nonsense. Steve was only dealing with countries combining absurdly high rates of population increase and no suggestion – apart from Rwanda – that they. could have a civilised capable government to forestall disaster. Maybe he could have added Pakistan and Yemen but not needed to make his point.
And it doesn’t have to be a large
proportion of Africa’s 2050 population wanting to migrate for it to threaten European identity.
Steve,
The collection is interesting and frightening.
I only have one question, and it is not to be irritating but for information.
What precisely do you mean by the Rwandan civil war having been ‘quasi-Malthusian’?
My impression was that Rwanda was relatively prosperous at the time of their mass-slaughter or, if you like to call it that, civil war, only behind Sth Africa and Libya, perhaps a couple of other Nth. African states. It is as much one continent as Eurasia, so the latter don’t count for comparison.
If the projections hold up, a real Malthusian collapse should precede the populations reaching those levels.
Mar 11, 2017 Bioethics and Eugenics: The Ugly Truth
As more and more increasingly outrageous headlines begin to gain notoriety among the general public–Newsweek making the case for killing granny, for example, or the recent widespread coverage of an article in the Journal of Medical Ethics promoting infanticide–many are only beginning to realize what the authors of the “after-birth abortion” paper admitted in such a blase fashion in the open letter they used to defend their proposal: these debates have been going on in the bioethics community for 40 years. They are only now arriving as a type of fait accompli to be digested by the public.
To be fair, this Corbett' piece is good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98
They have good border protection and walls!
Sink those ‘boats’ and eliminate the ‘Internationalists’.
The world is about to be washed over by a people whose average IQ is 67. Our future’s so bright, we should all wear shades.
Perhaps Kagame wears a tutu.
By 2100 all white people will have re-settled in Russia. And yes, we will still control everything – along with the Chinese. Prospects for everyone else? not so good.
Send all African adolescents video games. That seems to reduce the sex-drive. Seriously, though, I weep for the wildlife that is going to be annihilated (and the white people in South Africa).
Isolate The Sub-Saharan Africans
Extract Resources From Africa As Needed
Develop An Informal Agreement With Russia, China And Other Global Powers To Maintain The Isolation Of Sub-Saharan Africans
Deport Most Of The Sub-Saharan Africans Currently Outside Of Sub-Saharan Africa Back To Sub-Saharan Africa
Use The Oncoming Global Financial Implosion As A Cover To Implement The Above
So 2%, that's 80m in the diaspora. Now go look at how much Europe is haemorrhaging.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income
Per this, Nigerian immigrants outearn even French ones, we send you our best!
All in all, man up, quit getting your panties in a damn bunch.Replies: @Kyle McKenna
At no time did I make reference to any chart.
So you keep saying, but how much of that income is internet transfers to Nigerian princes? And what happens to your country if you export your “best”? And what happens to ours if your “best” just ain’t good enough? And why do you think money income is the only measure of merit? And why do you think our country should be trashed with hundreds of millions of third-world dross anyway? If they’re so very worthy, shouldn’t you really be keeping them? Your country is a pisshole by anyone’s standard. Why should every country be dragged down to your level?
What you really mean with your ad hominem is: “Lie back and think of (what) England (used to be).” I have a better idea–we’re going to start fighting your invasion. It’ll take time, and it’ll get even uglier than it is now, but it’ll happen, and then for the first time you’ll have to take responsibility for yourselves.
You've lost already.
Indeed, they are the only real tragedies involved. At least the white people have the ability to leave. The wildlife is being erased from the planet for all time. Magnificent, precious species falling like dominoes and for what? So that dindus can manufacture another few billion of their useless selves? What on earth is the good in that?
Mind you, I recognise that the whites in SA (and some unfortunate ones still remaining in Rhodesia) can’t leave easily, not without losing their resources, which they’ve spent generations building; not without abandoning the cities, farms and societies they’ve built; and not without leaving the billions of dindus to fester in the corrupt filth they favor. Well then, at least there’s that.
I saw an episode of Tony Brown’s journal years ago, and he claimed that blacks and Africans had better get their acts together, or the plan is to remove them from non-African societies, or even face genocide. I don’t remember how he claimed to know this, and many blacks seem to expect as much. Maybe it’s just paranoia and susceptibility to baseless rumor on their part?
Europe’s major problem at the moment is not black Africans, it’s Muslims, Caribbeans, South Asians, etc. By the time that African population numbers go through the roof, there may be little of Europe to save. I’d bet that the current migrants to Europe would likely be less willing than Europeans to open the doors to SSAs.
Don't confuse empires - which by their nature are anti-democratic - with nations - which are the natural homes of democracy. Similarly, nations are the natural home of a people's "culture" (though not of course the only one).
The only way for Europe to be reasserted "as a dominant culture" is for the pseudo-globalist "EU" to disappear, so that the nations of Europe can rediscover what remains of their own cultures and allow them to grow, within democratic institutions, unhindered by some external bureaucratic power structure.
I don't like the sound of "Europe as a dominant culture". Let us have our nations back. After that "European culture" can redefine itself.Replies: @Rob McX
The problem is that the rulers of the individual countries in the European Union are every bit as bad as those who make up the EU central government and bureaucracy. The only advantage of ending the EU would be that it’s easier to bring about change at a national than a transnational level. But anyone trying to save their country would face as hostile a resistance at home as in Brussels and Strasbourg.
But why should anyone prefer to be "ruled" by unelected foreigners who have no reason to serve the best interests of your nation? The answer could be that that, like Francois Hollande, they think that democracy can only exist within the EU, or - as he likes to call it - "Europe".
https://journal-neo.org/2017/06/25/second-tier-eu-states-are-barely-holding-on/The happy times of "independence" in Lithuania: "the population of this Baltic country, falling from 3.7 million back in 1990 to 2.8 million in 2016. Income inequality and the striking poverty of some Lithuanian residents is only getting worse over time, putting Lithuania on the list of the poorest EU states. ..for many years Lithuania has had the largest number of suicide cases in the EU"
In Latvia: "after obtaining independence from the Soviet bloc in 1991, the population of Latvia has been diminishing annually with the rate of 23,000 people a year. ... Latvia loses a small town every two weeks. In raw figures, that is 55 people a day, or 1,650 people a month. The problem is that large numbers of people have been living below the poverty line for years with no sign of improvement. Latvia has overtaken Estonia in the number of people newly infected with HIV in 2016, thus becoming a leading EU state in this area. The terrible conditions that people live in in this Baltic country include the fact that out of all migrants who arrived in Latvia in accordance with the European refugee transfer program, only five people decided to stay in that country, with the remaining refugees fleeing Latvia immediately upon their arrival.
And yet, the poor vassal Latvia can "afford the purchase of second-hand howitzers from Austria, paying 6 million euros up front, according to a deal signed by the Latvian Defense Minister Raymond Bergmanis"
https://journal-neo.org/2017/06/25/second-tier-eu-states-are-barely-holding-on/
A solution: Offer every man in Africa [or anywhere else there is a problem] a hundred dollars to have a vasectomy. This would cost $200.00 per man, [a hundred for the Doctor]. I would contribute to this fund as I am sure many others would as well. Doubtless there would be a sperm bank business grow out of it but very few men genuinely want children so I doubt it would be an issue. Feeding the hungry doesn’t work and neither does war. The only other realistic solution is a plague.
The white folks should come on over to Ireland:
Not too many POC or Muslims (yet)
No colonial or slavery guilt complex
The weather is shit so not that enticing to Africans or Arabs
The welfare is mediocre so again not that attractive
White demographic is growing so ‘needing immigrants’ is nonsense and might help keep politicians straight
There are many Eastern Europeans here already so might help put some backbone into voting for sensible policies
The IRA as a nationalist entity may in the future take a dominant role in keeping Ireland for the Irish
Harder for illegal entry
I’m quietly confident. The quicker it all goes down the toilet in Europe the better – it might knock some sense into the PC brigade. But I doubt it.
The linked youtube presentation shows the holier-than-thou Mr. Corbett who is intensely against Planned Parenthood (which is often the only place for poor women to have mammography and pap-smear test.) The sanctimonious Corbett is also terribly indignant over black women having opportunities to have abortions, which for Corbett is a sure sign of black genocide. Is he aware that this country is in crisis re both economy and heath care? Does he have kids of his own? Seemingly not. But he knows better than anybody else what women really need and how they should behave.
To be fair, this Corbett’ piece is good:
The UNO has been projecting ever-steepening world population graphs since the mid-1970s. In fact the global population then grew much nearer to linearly than exponentially. The ever-steepening graphs they’re now projecting are implausible in the extreme because epidemics and starvation will increase greatly.
That is partly because all of them want to be subject to “those who make up the EU central government and bureaucracy”. Even in a democratic nation there is no guarantee that you won’t be governed by bad rulers.
But why should anyone prefer to be “ruled” by unelected foreigners who have no reason to serve the best interests of your nation? The answer could be that that, like Francois Hollande, they think that democracy can only exist within the EU, or – as he likes to call it – “Europe”.
Anyone with some common sense understands that the present rate of growth of world population is unsustainable, depite propaganda for eating locusts.
The problem began long ago with Mozes' new religion 'multiply', we also thank hatred to homosexuality to Mozes.
The pope still sees birth control as sin.
In the good old times polytheistic peoples knew quite well how to control population size.
As Sarrazin writes 'if the cultures of third world countries does not change w're in for disaster'.
Yesterday this disaster was made quite clear, the number of migrants is such that Italy can no longer accept them, the other EU countries make humanistic statements, but refuse to take them.
Therefore Austria sent soldiers with tanks to the Brenner pass, the main connection with Italy.
These tanks, I suppose, are not meant for machine gunning migrants, but to make a statement.Replies: @Opinionator
In the good old times polytheistic peoples knew quite well how to control population size.
By what method or methods?
But I'd like to add a footnote about Peter Sutherland - "UN migration chief"- and the little insight he gave into the the purpose of building a "multicultural" Europe (he was addressing the members of a British House of Lords sub-committee in 2012). You can find the same report on the BBC news website and the website of something called "Immigrant Magazine", as well as a video recording of the event on YouTube.
The written report begins:I quote the following extracts from later in the BBC report:Sutherland may not be widely known, but he is a key figure in the globalist project. Among other things he is: "non-executive chairman of Goldman Sachs International and a former chairman of oil giant BP, [and he] heads the Global Forum on Migration and Development , which brings together representatives of 160 nations to share policy ideas". Also he "has attended meetings of The Bilderberg Group , a top level international networking organisation often criticised for its alleged secrecy",
In addition, of course, he is "the UN's special representative for migration".
*Coudenhove-Kalergi was the first recipient of the Charlemagne Prize, which celebrates distinguished contributors to "the European process of unification”. More recent recipients were Tony Blair (1999), who wanted “to rub the noses of the right in diversity”, Bill Clinton (2000) and Angela Merkel (2008).Replies: @Opinionator, @Anonymous
No-one interested in the history and the future (if it has one) of Western Civilisation can be considered educated if they are unaware of the Kalergi Plan, and its influence on the formation of the “European Union”.
What is the most credible source on it?
What is Sutherland’s motivation?
I was searching for CO2 emission data for Africa, it’s out there but comparative weak compared to data from USA, Europe and China. CO2 emissions for the USA and Europe have stabilized and is starting a slight trend down. China has increased dramatically in the last 15 years but it’s starting to look like there stabilizing as well. What information you can find on Africa is that it’s trending up. Environmental justice warriors would proclaim they have a much lower per-capita usage then the West/China which is true today but they are clearly moving on up. Couple that with the massive African population increase, this area is clearly the future driver of major new CO2 emissions, not the west. I found what I think is a decent analogue in a chart predicting automobile sales in Nigeria. https://www.theatlas.com/charts/Ek6S14bMl
You may not care about White Genocide.
But White Genocide sure as sh*t cares about you.
The first part of the video is from the perspective of the raper (the Who), not the rapee (the Whom). Thus, the UN is casting the UN and the viewer as Who, while the message to submit is directed at Whom. Presumably, the message is intended for goodwhites who feel they are part of the Who in this scenario.Replies: @Antonin Chigurh
Please rephrase this cr*p in a way ordinary adults can understand.
Ohh Kyle, Pigs would fly first. You’re better off ingratiating yourself with the leader of “invading force”.
You’ve lost already.
WGG you are right of course. All aid and trade to Africa and any other “developing nations” worldwide must be made dependent on a nation fist controlling its population and then putting it on a slow, downward spiral. This can easily be done by mandating one or two children per couple and then both parents must be sterilized. The procedure is relatively simple and technicians can be trained to travel around and do them out of medical vans. The Roman Catholics and leftists will cry and scream and wail and gnash their teeth but the only other option to controlling and reducing out of control population growth is nature. Nature seeks a balance and when any population gets out of control, nature has ways to right the balance and freely uses them: drought, famine, crop failure, plague, natural disaster, and war. So Africa and other Third World nations can stabilize and reduce their population by decent and humane means or by cruel and violent ones but either way there will be population control. Also all migration from “south to north” must be stopped cold by whatever means necessary and the interlopers already in Western nations returned to their homelands and natural habitats. It is called “tough love” but it will work given patience and time.
But I'd like to add a footnote about Peter Sutherland - "UN migration chief"- and the little insight he gave into the the purpose of building a "multicultural" Europe (he was addressing the members of a British House of Lords sub-committee in 2012). You can find the same report on the BBC news website and the website of something called "Immigrant Magazine", as well as a video recording of the event on YouTube.
The written report begins:I quote the following extracts from later in the BBC report:Sutherland may not be widely known, but he is a key figure in the globalist project. Among other things he is: "non-executive chairman of Goldman Sachs International and a former chairman of oil giant BP, [and he] heads the Global Forum on Migration and Development , which brings together representatives of 160 nations to share policy ideas". Also he "has attended meetings of The Bilderberg Group , a top level international networking organisation often criticised for its alleged secrecy",
In addition, of course, he is "the UN's special representative for migration".
*Coudenhove-Kalergi was the first recipient of the Charlemagne Prize, which celebrates distinguished contributors to "the European process of unification”. More recent recipients were Tony Blair (1999), who wanted “to rub the noses of the right in diversity”, Bill Clinton (2000) and Angela Merkel (2008).Replies: @Opinionator, @Anonymous
Don’t worry my friend. The day of the One World/New World Order is rapidly coming to a close. The only question is whether it will be by violent or peaceful means and in what time frame. Hopefully the banksters, crapitalists and fingerciers who have engineered this catastrophe will be brought to justice and their stolen billions returned to their rightful owners, the taxpayers, investors, customers and clients they have cheated and swindled while wrecking their nations and societies by mass Third World immigration, crushing debts, and de-industrialization. However this will not hold up much longer.A new day is dawning and Renaissance for Western civilization.
It seems Steve Sailer has at least one wealthy reader:
Elon Musk warns Earth’s population explosion means ‘the world is accelerating towards collapse’ and claims ‘few seem to notice or care’
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4672558/Musk-warns-world-accelerating-collapse.html
A Dystopic Threat to European Civilization: Sub-Saharan Africa Demographics
http://www.newnationalist.net/2017/07/07/a-dystopic-threat-to-european-civilization-sub-saharan-africa-demographics/
“…the rulers of the individual countries in the European Union are every bit as bad as those who make up the EU central government and bureaucracy.”
Here is an illustration to the above statement:
https://journal-neo.org/2017/06/25/second-tier-eu-states-are-barely-holding-on/
The happy times of “independence” in Lithuania: “the population of this Baltic country, falling from 3.7 million back in 1990 to 2.8 million in 2016. Income inequality and the striking poverty of some Lithuanian residents is only getting worse over time, putting Lithuania on the list of the poorest EU states. ..for many years Lithuania has had the largest number of suicide cases in the EU”
In Latvia: “after obtaining independence from the Soviet bloc in 1991, the population of Latvia has been diminishing annually with the rate of 23,000 people a year. … Latvia loses a small town every two weeks. In raw figures, that is 55 people a day, or 1,650 people a month. The problem is that large numbers of people have been living below the poverty line for years with no sign of improvement. Latvia has overtaken Estonia in the number of people newly infected with HIV in 2016, thus becoming a leading EU state in this area. The terrible conditions that people live in in this Baltic country include the fact that out of all migrants who arrived in Latvia in accordance with the European refugee transfer program, only five people decided to stay in that country, with the remaining refugees fleeing Latvia immediately upon their arrival.
And yet, the poor vassal Latvia can “afford the purchase of second-hand howitzers from Austria, paying 6 million euros up front, according to a deal signed by the Latvian Defense Minister Raymond Bergmanis”
https://journal-neo.org/2017/06/25/second-tier-eu-states-are-barely-holding-on/
Eventually the lack of corresponding job growth will slowdown african pop growth.
Everything depends on the availabiltiy of jobs…..