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It’s perfectly reasonable to want fewer incidents of white women calling the cops on innocent black men (Type I errors), so long as you are willing to accept more incidents of violence against white women by guilty black men (Type II errors).

If Kitty Genovese were attacked by Winston Moseley in 2020 instead of 1964, the media would obsess not over the dozens of witnesses who didn’t call the police but over the two or three who did.

Our society, however, seems to be suffering a cognitive disability about understanding the trade-off between Type I errors (e.g., false positive complaints about harmless black men) and Type II errors (e.g., failures to alert police about dangerous black men). As I wrote in Taki’s Magazine in 2018:

What’s Your Type?
Steve Sailer

July 18, 2018

… After all, these kinds of false-alarm Type I errors—false-positive calls to the cops to investigate a person who turns out to be law-abiding—happen countless times per day in this vast country of ours. So do Type II errors: false negatives of failing to alert the police in cases of a genuine lawbreaker. …

Ever since the Starbucks bathroom crisis in April, America has been going through a media moral panic in which a white man (or, more often, a white woman) who commits a Type I error at the expense of a black person may lose his job and be permanently keelhauled in the press.

Here are recent examples of this media mania from The New York Times:

First, there was BBQ Becky. Then came Permit Patty. Now, a South Carolina woman has been nicknamed Pool Patrol Paula after a widely shared video showed her accosting a black boy and his friends at a neighborhood pool, telling them to “get out” or she would call the police.

With the respectable NYT having given the okay that this variety of trivial fluff is respectable national news, the tabloids are now jumping in. Not surprisingly, the parameters of this variety of story are expanding to cover just about anything anyone said to dis anybody else. The police don’t need to be involved, as long as there is an identity-politics angle to help you grasp immediately who is the Good Guy and who is the Bad Guy (or, typically, Bad Gal).

In an increasingly feminized media culture, this is what passes for breaking news …

And, admittedly, this kind of story is pretty easy and entertaining to have an opinion on which stranger is right and which is wrong. You don’t have to know anything or think very hard, just react. In the 10,000 or so years that humans have lived in villages, we’ve gotten into these sorts of tiffs trillions of times.

The self-respecting mainstream news media traditionally tried to limit how much they cater to this kind of lowest-common-denominator taste for gossip about nobodies, generally restricting stories of personal spats to celebrities.

For example, the website World Star Hip Hop has featured countless entertaining phone videos of, to take one popular genre, welfare mothers throwing chairs at each other in Chuck E. Cheese birthday party brawls. But World Star Hip Hop videos of black-on-black weave-pulling is definitely not the news that’s fit to print in The New York Times.

Yet America’s ongoing moral crusade to hunt down the last remaining white racists means that much duller videos of whites acting suspicious of blacks are now front-page news. …

In contrast to Implicit Bias theory, the fun of the current frenzy is that you don’t have to blame everything on textbooks and the like. You get to hate the individual evil racist Becky.

It’s particularly noteworthy that white women are the designated villains in many of these media morality plays. You might think that in the #MeToo era, women’s worries about their personal security would be viewed at least somewhat sympathetically.

Instead, white women are finding themselves pretty far down the intersectional totem pole. For instance, The New York Times has printed the racial slur “Becky” three times over the past five weeks while demeaning white women.

Our ability to think statistically about the trade-off between Type I and Type II errors seems to go on the fritz when race is involved. When the participants are all white, everybody more or less intuits that if you want the cops to question fewer innocent people (fewer Type I errors), you’ll have to put up with more guilty ones committing more crimes (more Type II errors), and vice versa.

But thinking statistically is hard. The distinction between Type I and Type II errors was only invented by Jerzy Neyman and Egon Pearson between the Wars. (And we still need a better mnemonic name than Type I/Type II.)

It’s much easier instead merely to automatically castigate the people your culture designates as vile and deserving of abuse, which in 21st-century America is increasingly the white race.

 
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  1. This woman probably shouldn’t have called the cops on this guy.

    This woman probably should have called the cops on this guy.

    https://nypost.com/2020/05/26/man-charged-in-nyc-rape-was-freed-in-two-prior-assault-cases/

    • Agree: Charlotte Allen
    • Replies: @jtgw
    @Mr McKenna

    How many straight black dudes go to the park to watch birds? Someone on Twitter noted that this makes a lot more sense if Christian Cooper is gay.

    Replies: @Alden, @The Wild Geese Howard

    , @Nachum
    @Mr McKenna

    What is it about glasses on black men that makes them (in reality, apparently) less threatening?

  2. The whole incident is something stupid between two unpleasant people. Her dog should’ve been on its leash and she is a selfish box wine aunt. Yet, it doesn’t just change that the guy threatened her, and has a history of harassing dog walkers using the same, “you’re not gonna to like what I’m gonna do” line. So it’s something this guy does in his spare time (including carrying dog treats in his pocket to interfere with dog owners.)
    He’s a prick, and under any other circumstance [and any other skin color] it would be a story of a busybody running into the wrong, annoying box-wine aunt type who calls the cops over everything– maybe justified this time considering that line and him continuing to go after her dog despite warning him not to touch the dog.

    That it is major news is embarrassing. And I feel bad for box-wine aunt for losing her job, and dog, because of the mob.

    …the SJW sleeper cells have been activated for the election and the media is really trying to drum up some summer Travyon/Baltimore 2.0 over every incident, no matter how serious.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @Mister.Baseball


    And I feel bad for box-wine aunt for losing her job, and dog, because of the mob.
     
    I don't know why companies feel they have to give in to the mob. She didn't identify her company in the video and wasn't wearing anything that identified her company. So why is it the company's business?

    Replies: @Jack D, @Dave Pinsen, @Known Fact

    , @Anonymous
    @Mister.Baseball

    https://youtu.be/xz3ZOoYSMuw

    , @duncsbaby
    @Mister.Baseball

    Not only lost her job and dog but now a "civic organization" wants to ban her from Central Park for life. Meanwhile in Minneapolis left wing protesters are not social distancing or wearing masks. It's gonna be a fun summer.

    https://patch.com/new-york/midtown-nyc/group-wants-central-park-ban-woman-who-called-cops-birder

    https://nypost.com/2020/05/27/minneapolis-protesters-trash-precinct-clash-with-police/

    , @Thea
    @Mister.Baseball

    As with poor Brendan Leipsic, they may have already been looking for an excuse to fire her.

    I feel a bit guilty to say that when I heard she was an investment banker my sympathy dried up.

    He clearly set out to get a histrionic reaction and boy did she deliver.

    It’s important to know how to start calm under pressure and not give in to angry reactions.

    , @Erik L
    @Mister.Baseball

    I don't see him as a prick. He says he is trying to protect the bird habitat. She was clearly doing something wrong and not just technically wrong- it would damage the bird habitat. He says he has found people put their dogs back on leash when he starts giving them treats. A pretty clever solution.

    I also don't think this was a type I error (or was it type II? We always said "false positive" and "false negative"); She was clearly threatening him with the cops with an accusation she knew to be false. As a liberal white woman, she certainly must know the possible consequences of that and that it should frighten him and that is why she did it.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    , @Mike_from_SGV
    @Mister.Baseball

    "the media is really trying to drum up some summer Travyon/Baltimore 2.0 over every incident"

    This is why, if you find yourself in a contentious situation with a favored minority, just get the hell out of there. The dominant culture wants to crucify you and make you into a morality play. They are openly looking for an incident, they are hostile, they are not even pretending otherwise at this point.

    Replies: @Mister.Baseball

  3. trade-off between Type I errors (e.g., false positive complaints about harless black men) and Type II errors (e.g., failures to alert police about dangerous black men).

    There is no trade-off in this when people have discernment and exercise good judgment (dangerous black men don’t approach with “The rules say you should leash your dog here, ma’am”). But the latter is too much to ask these days.

    People are like dumb, impulsive children these days – you have to give them simple rules and slap their hands when they reach into the cookie jar. This is how liberty actually dies.

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @anonymous
    @Twinkie

    Welcome back. I assume you've been busy winning senior division championships in various unlicensed South-East Asian MMA tournaments.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @Athletic and Whitesplosive
    @Twinkie


    There is no trade-off in this when people have discernment and exercise good judgment (dangerous black men don’t approach with “The rules say you should leash your dog here, ma’am”). 
     
    You think things don't ever escalate from a fairly innocuous exchange when you're potentially dealing with an unstable person you don't know? Come on. I haven't cared to look up the video (about this piece of un-news) but actually saying "you're not gonna like what I do," is certainly vaguely threatening. Shaming women into being less likely to call the police when feeling vaguely threatened by a black man will get more women killed full stop.

    Look, obviously this broad's a dumbass, but until we design a world without dumbasses it's better that fewer of them are badly hurt or killed because of it. She's not the first self-concerned airhead to run into or antagonize a surly negro, and plenty have ended up a lot worse because they didn't call the cops when they had the chance.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @Twinkie

  4. As always, media and police gag orders cause strong reporting biases.
    Thus, add to Steve’s comments:

    False positives includes complaints about a career criminal, with a long rap sheet, as long as he has not committet a crime in the 10 minutes before or after Becky’s action. It is almost impossible to prove a correct positive. It is like quantum physics, the observer probably makes sure that the crime will not happen.

    False negatives must not be reported about, according to the explicitly writte PC gag order that mandates hiding “minority” crime.

    Correct positives, justified complaints, will not be reported either. Because of media gag order

    Correct negatives, non complaint non crimes. He walked into the house and stole nothing, and nobody complained. This is usually too boring to report and very racist to say: black went to the pool, nobody said anything, and he committed no crime. But sometimes the supect committed an esgregiously good deed. In Germany, hundreds of refugees, reportedly, already turned in lost and found wallets and bags with a few thousand Euros each.

  5. MB says: • Website

    Obviously Mr. Sailer, in these trying times, not only are you not wearing your MSM approved muzzle mask, you’ve misplaced your blindfold.
    Can’t have that.
    Don’t move. Stay right here please, till we get the rope and ladder.
    It’s much cheaper and cleaner than a concrete wall and a couple of bullets.

  6. sad watching the continued decline of steve sailer into tendentious racist hack. at the very least could have used this incident to drum up some (admittedly, retread) musings on the psychololgy of uber-privileged soon-to-be-barren uws finance jewesses — but no. more imporant to spoonfeed vomit into the induction holes of the kind of subhuman burger-droppings that bother to come to this festering shithole of a website anymore

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    @dreydl smasher

    https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/007/445/pancake_bunny.jpg

    Replies: @Stebbing Heuer, @Ganderson, @res, @donut

    , @Anonymous
    @dreydl smasher

    You, uh, overstate your point I think, but yes, Steve is overfitting his "type I vs II" mental model here. It's hard to believe the woman truly believed the dude was a danger, she was just pissed at him confronting her and wanted to get him back somehow. Deliberate maliciousness is not "error."

    , @Unam
    @dreydl smasher

    Jesus chill out bro....

    , @Alfa158
    @dreydl smasher

    Tiny Duck, you have given yourself away! You normally use the self-insulting moniker Tiny D(i)uck, and now you insult yourself again by referring to yourself as a “subhuman burger-dropping that bothers to come to this festering shithole of a website” You may change your moniker, but the fingerprint is always the same.
    I am offended however by the blanket Anti-Semitism of your latest moniker. At least you avoided that in your TD incarnation.

  7. @Mister.Baseball
    The whole incident is something stupid between two unpleasant people. Her dog should've been on its leash and she is a selfish box wine aunt. Yet, it doesn't just change that the guy threatened her, and has a history of harassing dog walkers using the same, "you're not gonna to like what I'm gonna do" line. So it's something this guy does in his spare time (including carrying dog treats in his pocket to interfere with dog owners.)
    He's a prick, and under any other circumstance [and any other skin color] it would be a story of a busybody running into the wrong, annoying box-wine aunt type who calls the cops over everything-- maybe justified this time considering that line and him continuing to go after her dog despite warning him not to touch the dog.

    That it is major news is embarrassing. And I feel bad for box-wine aunt for losing her job, and dog, because of the mob.

    ...the SJW sleeper cells have been activated for the election and the media is really trying to drum up some summer Travyon/Baltimore 2.0 over every incident, no matter how serious.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @Anonymous, @duncsbaby, @Thea, @Erik L, @Mike_from_SGV

    And I feel bad for box-wine aunt for losing her job, and dog, because of the mob.

    I don’t know why companies feel they have to give in to the mob. She didn’t identify her company in the video and wasn’t wearing anything that identified her company. So why is it the company’s business?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @ScarletNumber

    Frankly, given the way she conducted herself, I would not want her working for my company. You don't have a "right" to a job in America. It was her privilege to represent Franklin Templeton before the world and she could no longer be trusted with that privilege. Probably she was a psycho to her co-workers all along but psychopaths suck up to their superiors so that they are never found out. This time she showed her fangs.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Dave Pinsen, @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @NOTA

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @ScarletNumber

    They lack moral courage.

    But on a purely amoral level, consider their risks. On the one hand, firing her over this makes them a less appealing place to work, for current employees as well as prospective ones; on the other hand, keeping her onboard risks making them a less appealing fund manager to institutions. Say it’s time to review options for the company 401(k) and most on the committee don’t care but the Stacey Abrams doppelgänger from HR vetos Franklin Templeton because they didn’t fire Amy Cooper.

    The second one is the bigger risk today, given current unemployment levels.

    , @Known Fact
    @ScarletNumber

    We don't know if she's obnoxious at work too, but just from a PR standpoint I would have announced that of course her actions were repellant and she was being put on indefinite leave to undergo counseling. Then you make a long-term decision to dump her if needed when things quiet down. If she's truly mentally defective she could cook up a disability suit.

    If you fired every neurotic in NYC, you'd have a ghost town. Oh wait ...

  8. Anon[125] • Disclaimer says:

    The media are wearing Americans out.

    They may need a spirited America to respond to some real crises or another and find the populace jaded, weary, and distrustful of one another.

    Two weeks of feel-good public service ads and commercials featuring happy-mood-music may not have the desired effects.

    Other nations do not let their medias psychologically berate their populaces nearly as much.

    • Replies: @Ganderson
    @Anon

    I’m punching the next person who says to me “we’re all in this together”

  9. @ScarletNumber
    @Mister.Baseball


    And I feel bad for box-wine aunt for losing her job, and dog, because of the mob.
     
    I don't know why companies feel they have to give in to the mob. She didn't identify her company in the video and wasn't wearing anything that identified her company. So why is it the company's business?

    Replies: @Jack D, @Dave Pinsen, @Known Fact

    Frankly, given the way she conducted herself, I would not want her working for my company. You don’t have a “right” to a job in America. It was her privilege to represent Franklin Templeton before the world and she could no longer be trusted with that privilege. Probably she was a psycho to her co-workers all along but psychopaths suck up to their superiors so that they are never found out. This time she showed her fangs.

    • Agree: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Troll: ScarletNumber
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Jack D

    Hey Jack, quick question. Remind me again how many Jewish financial execs were aware of Epstein, who still have their job. Should Leon Black and others have been shamed and driven from the industry?

    Trusted with privilege, indeed.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @Jack D

    That she didn’t maintain her sangfroid when confronted by a strange man in a park intimating that he was going to harm her fur baby doesn’t mean she doesn’t conduct herself professionally in her company’s office.

    Replies: @Morris Applebaum IV

    , @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    @Jack D

    "Frankly, given the way she conducted herself, I would not want her working for my company.... Probably she was a psycho to her co-workers all along"

    Yup, her employer wanted her gone for a long time now but feared a lawsuit, so this 'racist' incident gave them an excuse to pull the trigger.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @NOTA
    @Jack D

    Wait, you mean some of the people who work in finance in NYC are pushy assholes? Stop the presses!

  10. @ScarletNumber
    @Mister.Baseball


    And I feel bad for box-wine aunt for losing her job, and dog, because of the mob.
     
    I don't know why companies feel they have to give in to the mob. She didn't identify her company in the video and wasn't wearing anything that identified her company. So why is it the company's business?

    Replies: @Jack D, @Dave Pinsen, @Known Fact

    They lack moral courage.

    But on a purely amoral level, consider their risks. On the one hand, firing her over this makes them a less appealing place to work, for current employees as well as prospective ones; on the other hand, keeping her onboard risks making them a less appealing fund manager to institutions. Say it’s time to review options for the company 401(k) and most on the committee don’t care but the Stacey Abrams doppelgänger from HR vetos Franklin Templeton because they didn’t fire Amy Cooper.

    The second one is the bigger risk today, given current unemployment levels.

    • Troll: ScarletNumber
  11. Anonymous[338] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    @ScarletNumber

    Frankly, given the way she conducted herself, I would not want her working for my company. You don't have a "right" to a job in America. It was her privilege to represent Franklin Templeton before the world and she could no longer be trusted with that privilege. Probably she was a psycho to her co-workers all along but psychopaths suck up to their superiors so that they are never found out. This time she showed her fangs.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Dave Pinsen, @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @NOTA

    Hey Jack, quick question. Remind me again how many Jewish financial execs were aware of Epstein, who still have their job. Should Leon Black and others have been shamed and driven from the industry?

    Trusted with privilege, indeed.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Anonymous

    Your analogy is very weak sauce. If Epstein had been a lower middle management exec at any Wall St. firm ("Jewish" or not) he would have been out of a job at the first allegation of child molestation. A different set of rules apply to the rich and powerful (of any religion) - it has always been thus. This doesn't make it right, but that's the reality. Ask Joe Biden, assuming he can still even remember what he has done.

  12. ‘Probably she was a psycho to her co-workers all along but psychopaths suck up to their superiors so that they are never found out. This time she showed her fangs.’

    Ah. So had her interlocutor been white, she would have been fired as well?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Colin Wright

    She was the one who chose to pull the race card. She chose poorly.

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @Redman, @Colin Wright

  13. Type II errors (e.g., failures to alert police about dangerous black men).

    Except Cooper is not a danger black man. He was not Trayvon Martin or a “jogger” with construction boots and a hammer. This was one time when the black media hero really is a good guy. And she didn’t FAIL to alert the police to him. She had no duty or right to alert the police to him because he had not committed any crime.

    Instead she falsely accused him of threatening to kill her. This is a very serious false accusation and she should be in jail or at least fined for making a false police report. She is a sociopath who was caught doing the wrong thing and instead of humbly admitting that she was in the wrong and leashing her dog she falsely accused a man of a serious felony as a below the belt tactic to “win” the encounter. She played the short game and didn’t think of the larger implications of her tactics (to say the least). And she clearly was NOT afraid of Cooper – rather than running AWAY from him, she approaches him. He was afraid of HER. He asks her to stay away from him on the film as she approaches menacingly.

    Of course, the racial aspect is what took this to a whole different level in the press, but what she did was despicable regardless of color. But she was the one who pulled the race card. She was an idiot to do this in America 2020 and now she is suffering the consequences.

    • Agree: notsaying
    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Jack D

    He’s not the good guy.

    https://twitter.com/jackposobiec/status/1265308052992995328?s=21

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @Change that Matters
    @Jack D


    Except Cooper is not a danger black man.
     
    Shirt lifters working to destroy Western civilization are dangerous men.
    , @Alden
    @Jack D

    Given the overwhelming robbery murder and rape statistics of NYC black men she was absolutely correct to call the police. Big city women have to be very situationally aware of black men. How was she to know he didn’t have 2 fellow thugs laying in wait for a line woman to come along.

    “if you have the right to keep your dog unleashed, “ I have the right to do something to you that you don’t like “ is a direct threat.

    I’ve noticed blacks have a habit of instigating confrontations with Whites by scolding them for something. The White is supposed to bow his head in shame as the black berates them for going through a store door ahead of them, objecting to being shoved on Push Day touching them in a crowded elevator or anything and nothing.

    Replies: @anonymous

    , @Bill Jones
    @Jack D

    Never mind the racism, where is the outrage at the appalling sexism of her reporting a "man"?

    Replies: @Known Fact

  14. @Jack D
    @ScarletNumber

    Frankly, given the way she conducted herself, I would not want her working for my company. You don't have a "right" to a job in America. It was her privilege to represent Franklin Templeton before the world and she could no longer be trusted with that privilege. Probably she was a psycho to her co-workers all along but psychopaths suck up to their superiors so that they are never found out. This time she showed her fangs.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Dave Pinsen, @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @NOTA

    That she didn’t maintain her sangfroid when confronted by a strange man in a park intimating that he was going to harm her fur baby doesn’t mean she doesn’t conduct herself professionally in her company’s office.

    • Replies: @Morris Applebaum IV
    @Dave Pinsen

    It was an epic meltdown, but there were very understandable reasons that, unfortunately, the mainstream media refuses to report. At worst she should have been forced to attend a humiliating diversity training course.

    There's got to be someone reading this blog who has an investment account with Franklin Templeton. They need to lose at least some business for this unjust firing.

    Replies: @William Badwhite

  15. She was completely correct to call the police on a stranger trying to lure away her dog.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @Kent Nationalist

    "a stranger trying to lure away her dog"

    Dogs: Nature's most successful parasites.

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Kent Nationalist


    a stranger trying to lure away her dog
     
    Then her call to the cops should have been quite different:

    “Hello, police? I let my dog run loose and a strange negro offered him dog treats. Help!”

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Kent Nationalist

  16. @Jack D

    Type II errors (e.g., failures to alert police about dangerous black men).
     
    Except Cooper is not a danger black man. He was not Trayvon Martin or a "jogger" with construction boots and a hammer. This was one time when the black media hero really is a good guy. And she didn't FAIL to alert the police to him. She had no duty or right to alert the police to him because he had not committed any crime.

    Instead she falsely accused him of threatening to kill her. This is a very serious false accusation and she should be in jail or at least fined for making a false police report. She is a sociopath who was caught doing the wrong thing and instead of humbly admitting that she was in the wrong and leashing her dog she falsely accused a man of a serious felony as a below the belt tactic to "win" the encounter. She played the short game and didn't think of the larger implications of her tactics (to say the least). And she clearly was NOT afraid of Cooper - rather than running AWAY from him, she approaches him. He was afraid of HER. He asks her to stay away from him on the film as she approaches menacingly.

    Of course, the racial aspect is what took this to a whole different level in the press, but what she did was despicable regardless of color. But she was the one who pulled the race card. She was an idiot to do this in America 2020 and now she is suffering the consequences.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Change that Matters, @Alden, @Bill Jones

    He’s not the good guy.

    • Disagree: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Dave Pinsen


    But Christian Cooper also said things have already gone too far. During a pandemic, he added, we all need to be kinder to one another — and respect the rules.

    “I’m not interested in repercussions,” he said. “It’s unfortunate what happened. There was definitely a lapse in judgment. But she put the dog on the leash, and I don’t need to see anything else happen to her.”
     
    He appears to be a better human being than a woman who broke rules and then tried to frame him with a crime all the while consuming public (law enforcement) resources needlessly.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Redman, @res, @jsm, @Anonymous

  17. “On the one hand, firing her over this makes them a less appealing place to work, for current employees as well as prospective ones”

    Maybe less appealing for the few remaining fans of the first amendment, but I can all but guarantee that the average NYC office worker applauds this firing as the morally corageous thing to do.

  18. Well, he’s probably the only black man in the history of the world who’s ever tweeted, “I pull out the dog treats I carry for just such intransigence”.

    • Replies: @Space Ghost
    @Rob McX

    He also called her a "scofflaw" in the New York Times interview, so I pretty much have to take his side here.

    , @The Alarmist
    @Rob McX


    Well, he’s probably the only black man in the history of the world who’s ever tweeted, “I pull out the dog treats I carry for just such intransigence”.
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgRE6BPhN2I

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    , @Charon
    @Rob McX

    Torn between Black Frasier and Twofer from 30 Rock. Though neither of them was quite as sanctimonious.

  19. This wasn’t an “error”, this was an entitled woman intentionally lying and drumming up false charges. But I do agree with the other commenter that this guy is also a provacative asshole based on his own history. Nutty dog lovers and bird watchers can both go to hell as far as I’m concerned.

    But you know, it actually really provides some perspective on some other opinions regarding COVID etc if one can watch this video and describe it as a “Type I Error”. Labeling it as such requires either a sort of autistic “whoosh” miss on reading the social situation, or dishonest spin.

    • Replies: @Steve Johnson
    @Testing12


    But you know, it actually really provides some perspective on some other opinions regarding COVID etc if one can watch this video and describe it as a “Type I Error”. Labeling it as such requires either a sort of autistic “whoosh” miss on reading the social situation, or dishonest spin.
     
    It provides perspective on your reading comprehension and hence overall intelligence level that you read this piece and came to the conclusion that Steve describe this incident as a type I error rather than using it as a jumping off point to discuss the wider issue.
  20. “…harless black men…”

  21. Anonymous[368] • Disclaimer says:

    This whole NYT led shitstorm has just got me thinking.

    I recall, a few weeks ago, that a female letter carrier somewhere in the Midwest was gunned downed and horrifically murdered by an angry irate rabidly furious – as is their wont – young black man simply because she *simply did not have* the gubbmint gibs he was expecting and felt entitled to in her mailbag BECAUSE a Post Office embargo and refusal to deliver order was placed on his residence – a FACT of which he was abundantly aware – due to the FACT of his vicious uncontrolled dogs previously attacking letter carriers.

    This incident, infinitely more heinous, vicious and serious – think of the terror of the post woman’s last moments on earth – has strangely garnered very very little media attention. You can rest assured that the BBC has ignored it.

    • Agree: Charon
    • Replies: @Paul Jolliffe
    @Anonymous

    It happened on April 28 in Indianapolis.

    You are exactly right - the MSM has memory-holed this horrible incident.

    https://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2020/04/29/mail-carrier-angela-summers-killed-arrest-made-indianapolis/3048297001/

    , @res
    @Anonymous

    That's a fascinating example. If you go to CNN you see a photo of a black woman from a related story but no mention of the victim's race in the article and "police haven't identified who's responsible."
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/28/us/indiana-postal-worker-shot-killed-trnd/index.html

    But then you go to the Daily Mail (which seems to be the goto source these days for info on events like this) and see the reality with pictures.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8274671/Man-21-shot-postal-worker-45-dead-refused-deliver-mail-dog.html

    Paul Kersey covers that murder here:
    https://www.unz.com/sbpdl/her-name-is-angela-summers-white-u-s-postal-employee-murdered-by-black-male-as-she-tried-to-deliver-him-his-trump-bucks-coronavirus-stimulus-checks/

  22. The turning point of the matter comes when Black Bird Watcher Guy says, “If you’re going to do whatever you want, then I’m gonna do whatever I want.”

    That is not how the law operates. In saying this, he has crossed over into Lynch Law, he has taken on vigilantism. The woman is fully justified in feeling threatened by anything further that he says or does, because he has just announced that he will now proceed to follow his own whims instead of the law. There is no telling what he means by “whatever I want” — the Zodiac killer said things like this to his victims in a calm tone of voice before murdering them.

    This sort of rough justice may work on a playground among eight year olds, but not between two strange adults in a secluded area of a park with an international reputation for black men assaulting white women.

    The Karen lady was lynched not just by Twitter, but also literally by Black Bird Guy who directly announced he would not be bound by legal convention. Were it not for racial hysteria this would be clear.

    • Agree: Alden, Joseph Doaks
    • Replies: @Truth
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Is there a legal precedent against offering a dog a snack?

  23. @Dave Pinsen
    @Jack D

    He’s not the good guy.

    https://twitter.com/jackposobiec/status/1265308052992995328?s=21

    Replies: @Twinkie

    But Christian Cooper also said things have already gone too far. During a pandemic, he added, we all need to be kinder to one another — and respect the rules.

    “I’m not interested in repercussions,” he said. “It’s unfortunate what happened. There was definitely a lapse in judgment. But she put the dog on the leash, and I don’t need to see anything else happen to her.”

    He appears to be a better human being than a woman who broke rules and then tried to frame him with a crime all the while consuming public (law enforcement) resources needlessly.

    • Agree: notsaying
    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Twinkie

    Open your eyes wider, Twink.

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1265456033109073927?s=20

    Replies: @Change that Matters, @moshe, @Twinkie, @Anon, @Truth, @Joe Stalin

    , @Redman
    @Twinkie

    LOL. Unnecessary use of public resources? Sounds like you’ve never been to Manhattan. Cops here do nothing all day.

    , @res
    @Twinkie

    I'm not sure about that, but can we at least agree both behaved badly in that situation?

    And one has been metaphorically lynched for it while the other is being lauded.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @jsm
    @Twinkie

    No, Twinkie...
    by trying to lure away her dog with treats (entirely possibly poisoned) it removes from her a safety ... She couldn't know if he had an accomplice in the bushes, waiting to attack her when the dog that might bite him was being held by the "birdwatcher" so the dog could not defend his owner.

    There's clear reason why this woman got scared.

    , @Anonymous
    @Twinkie

    I’m not interested in repercussions,” he said. “It’s unfortunate what happened. There was definitely a lapse in judgment. But she put the dog on the leash, and I don’t need to see anything else happen to her.”

    If Christian Cooper was genuinely uninterested in repercussions, why, then, did he decide to turn the footage of the incident over to his sister? Why did he not simply archive it (or delete it altogether), seeing as how no harm was done?

    What did he think was going to happen when he released the footage to a third party?

    If you "don’t need to see anything else happen," to someone after a run-in with them, it seems to me the thing to do is to quietly archive the footage, not share it with someone else who could, quite conceivably, end up sharing it with the entire world.

  24. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mister.Baseball
    The whole incident is something stupid between two unpleasant people. Her dog should've been on its leash and she is a selfish box wine aunt. Yet, it doesn't just change that the guy threatened her, and has a history of harassing dog walkers using the same, "you're not gonna to like what I'm gonna do" line. So it's something this guy does in his spare time (including carrying dog treats in his pocket to interfere with dog owners.)
    He's a prick, and under any other circumstance [and any other skin color] it would be a story of a busybody running into the wrong, annoying box-wine aunt type who calls the cops over everything-- maybe justified this time considering that line and him continuing to go after her dog despite warning him not to touch the dog.

    That it is major news is embarrassing. And I feel bad for box-wine aunt for losing her job, and dog, because of the mob.

    ...the SJW sleeper cells have been activated for the election and the media is really trying to drum up some summer Travyon/Baltimore 2.0 over every incident, no matter how serious.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @Anonymous, @duncsbaby, @Thea, @Erik L, @Mike_from_SGV

  25. @Twinkie
    @Dave Pinsen


    But Christian Cooper also said things have already gone too far. During a pandemic, he added, we all need to be kinder to one another — and respect the rules.

    “I’m not interested in repercussions,” he said. “It’s unfortunate what happened. There was definitely a lapse in judgment. But she put the dog on the leash, and I don’t need to see anything else happen to her.”
     
    He appears to be a better human being than a woman who broke rules and then tried to frame him with a crime all the while consuming public (law enforcement) resources needlessly.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Redman, @res, @jsm, @Anonymous

    Open your eyes wider, Twink.

    • Replies: @Change that Matters
    @Dave Pinsen

    Christian Cooper is a Black Bernhard Goetz going after White Women with doggy treats, taunts and an iPhone.

    I wonder how many times he went through that set up before he stumbled on Amy Cooper?

    Replies: @utu

    , @moshe
    @Dave Pinsen

    I highly doubt he is that Machiavellian. The guy was honest about what he said and did re dog and dog treats even though it puts him in a negative light. The truth is that you or I up against a Karen would be lynched for saying what he says he said but they'd be wrong to lynch us. She was breaking the rules to his detriment and he responded in a manner that he had a right to.

    When it became obvious that she was going to use his words against him he decided to start videoing and she freaked out. I don't know whether her freakout was out of misplaced righteous indignation or out of actual fear but both are human level errors.

    Either way, while admitting to not having read or watched any more than 5 minutes about this issue, if he is on the record as going against what the SJWs did to her than he is a better man than most of us.

    , @Twinkie
    @Dave Pinsen


    Open your eyes wider, Twink.
     
    I will when you can see below your belly.

    Only race-obsessed morons wouldn’t see from the video that she is the one who advanced on him and started to act on the phone with the police like she was being assaulted. Geez. The dog needs exercise? Take it for a walk or a run on a leash instead of breaking park rules and choking her dog by stringing it up.

    And he didn’t ruin her - she did that all by herself by calling the police and trying to frame him for a crime. Did he “provoke” her into breaking the park rules and disturbing the bird sanctuary?

    And I love the “This AFRICAN-AMERICAN man is threatening me!” part. Really scared people don’t yell PC-compliant descriptive like that. They scream “HELP! A man is threatening me!” or perhaps “This black guy is after me!” People under stress often lose adjectives and adverbs, forget PC-compliant ones.

    For once, a white person is actually the bad one. Let it go.

    Replies: @Coag, @peterike, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    , @Anon
    @Dave Pinsen

    Twinkie’s right, her use of the term African-American man, and her emphasis and repeated use of that term, was her fatal error.

    She’s just a overly confident, entitled, U of Chicago MBA, AWFL bitch who thinks she’s all that because she has some high-powered job as a money-shifter. This type abounds in NYC, DC, Boston, et al.

    Personally I’m super reluctant to get into any squabble with a stranger over any issue, but especially with an AWFL because I know how petty and vindictive they can be. That is a losing battle for someone like me if the cops are called (“This man was acting aggressively and I felt threatened...”). Undoubtedly she’s pulled variations of this shit before and been successful with these AWFL tactics. But this time the entitled AWFL bitch crap didn’t work against a successful Harvard-educated, gay, birdwatching-nerd black man.

    I see this whole incident as less of a race issue and more of an AWFL bitch getting her comeuppance. Having encountered this type before, a lot, I’m feeling a little pep-in-my-step schadenfreude over it.

    Having said all that, I would feel awful if someone I got into a squabble or fight with ended up in trouble or lost their job or dog over it. Even if they were nasty and deserved it. I would want someone to learn their lesson, be chastened, but in no way hurt. If I were Christian Cooper I would feel horrible about what happened to Amy Cooper and would try to reach out to her and reconcile and maybe even help her if possible. That would be the Christian thing to do (no pun intended).

    Replies: @Jack D, @JSQ

    , @Truth
    @Dave Pinsen

    There was one law broken from what i've seen, the woman did not leash her dog. I saw the man do nothing illegal, although being a sanctimonious little prick should be at times. I would have told him to go fuck himself, but he did a great job of staying within the rules of harmless white lady, busybodydum. Which seems the cause celebre of most of this site's regular readership.


    Btw, once again, it just looked like more silly, paid kikemason high-school, racial agrievance theatre to me, but it gave you guys something to do today.

    , @Joe Stalin
    @Dave Pinsen

    "I pull out the dog treats I carry for just such intransigence."

    In other words, he knows animal behavior. He came to show dominance over the 'dog people.' He knows EXACTLY what he is doing and is not some innocent in the park. He came to engage and prevail in the social interaction HE PREPARED FOR. And unfortunately, the lady did not have the presence of mine to turn on her cell phone camera so we could see what she saw in terms of body language. A muscular man trying to lure her animal from her.

    Replies: @Redman, @Dr. Krieger

  26. @Jack D

    Type II errors (e.g., failures to alert police about dangerous black men).
     
    Except Cooper is not a danger black man. He was not Trayvon Martin or a "jogger" with construction boots and a hammer. This was one time when the black media hero really is a good guy. And she didn't FAIL to alert the police to him. She had no duty or right to alert the police to him because he had not committed any crime.

    Instead she falsely accused him of threatening to kill her. This is a very serious false accusation and she should be in jail or at least fined for making a false police report. She is a sociopath who was caught doing the wrong thing and instead of humbly admitting that she was in the wrong and leashing her dog she falsely accused a man of a serious felony as a below the belt tactic to "win" the encounter. She played the short game and didn't think of the larger implications of her tactics (to say the least). And she clearly was NOT afraid of Cooper - rather than running AWAY from him, she approaches him. He was afraid of HER. He asks her to stay away from him on the film as she approaches menacingly.

    Of course, the racial aspect is what took this to a whole different level in the press, but what she did was despicable regardless of color. But she was the one who pulled the race card. She was an idiot to do this in America 2020 and now she is suffering the consequences.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Change that Matters, @Alden, @Bill Jones

    Except Cooper is not a danger black man.

    Shirt lifters working to destroy Western civilization are dangerous men.

  27. anonymous[161] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie

    trade-off between Type I errors (e.g., false positive complaints about harless black men) and Type II errors (e.g., failures to alert police about dangerous black men).
     
    There is no trade-off in this when people have discernment and exercise good judgment (dangerous black men don’t approach with “The rules say you should leash your dog here, ma’am”). But the latter is too much to ask these days.

    People are like dumb, impulsive children these days - you have to give them simple rules and slap their hands when they reach into the cookie jar. This is how liberty actually dies.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Athletic and Whitesplosive

    Welcome back. I assume you’ve been busy winning senior division championships in various unlicensed South-East Asian MMA tournaments.

    • LOL: Truth
    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @anonymous

    No silly twat, I’ve been busy training my eldest son for Youth Nationals and Junior Olympics in Judo (sadly rescheduled to later in the year in Utah) and preparing him for the next Pan Kids (Pan Ams) in IBJJF Jiu-Jitsu.

  28. @Rob McX
    Well, he's probably the only black man in the history of the world who's ever tweeted, "I pull out the dog treats I carry for just such intransigence".

    Replies: @Space Ghost, @The Alarmist, @Charon

    He also called her a “scofflaw” in the New York Times interview, so I pretty much have to take his side here.

  29. What type is it when white criminals dress up in realistic black masks to fool white women?

    Wasn’t that a serious concern for a while?

  30. @Dave Pinsen
    @Twinkie

    Open your eyes wider, Twink.

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1265456033109073927?s=20

    Replies: @Change that Matters, @moshe, @Twinkie, @Anon, @Truth, @Joe Stalin

    Christian Cooper is a Black Bernhard Goetz going after White Women with doggy treats, taunts and an iPhone.

    I wonder how many times he went through that set up before he stumbled on Amy Cooper?

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @utu
    @Change that Matters


    "Christian Cooper is a Black Bernhard Goetz going after White Women with doggy treats, taunts and an iPhone."
     
    Why does he carry dog treats? He might be some kind of harasser vigilante who gets off on confronting people with dogs or perhaps women with dogs. What about a poster with his face in Central Park: Were you or your dog harassed by this man?

    Alden [#31] is correct that some Blacks like to scold Whites on minor issue when they are only technically right like demanding courtesy. Once I was reproached for not sayin thank you when a black guy held door open for us.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/type-i-and-type-ii-errors-in-central-park/#comment-3920718
  31. @Jack D

    Type II errors (e.g., failures to alert police about dangerous black men).
     
    Except Cooper is not a danger black man. He was not Trayvon Martin or a "jogger" with construction boots and a hammer. This was one time when the black media hero really is a good guy. And she didn't FAIL to alert the police to him. She had no duty or right to alert the police to him because he had not committed any crime.

    Instead she falsely accused him of threatening to kill her. This is a very serious false accusation and she should be in jail or at least fined for making a false police report. She is a sociopath who was caught doing the wrong thing and instead of humbly admitting that she was in the wrong and leashing her dog she falsely accused a man of a serious felony as a below the belt tactic to "win" the encounter. She played the short game and didn't think of the larger implications of her tactics (to say the least). And she clearly was NOT afraid of Cooper - rather than running AWAY from him, she approaches him. He was afraid of HER. He asks her to stay away from him on the film as she approaches menacingly.

    Of course, the racial aspect is what took this to a whole different level in the press, but what she did was despicable regardless of color. But she was the one who pulled the race card. She was an idiot to do this in America 2020 and now she is suffering the consequences.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Change that Matters, @Alden, @Bill Jones

    Given the overwhelming robbery murder and rape statistics of NYC black men she was absolutely correct to call the police. Big city women have to be very situationally aware of black men. How was she to know he didn’t have 2 fellow thugs laying in wait for a line woman to come along.

    “if you have the right to keep your dog unleashed, “ I have the right to do something to you that you don’t like “ is a direct threat.

    I’ve noticed blacks have a habit of instigating confrontations with Whites by scolding them for something. The White is supposed to bow his head in shame as the black berates them for going through a store door ahead of them, objecting to being shoved on Push Day touching them in a crowded elevator or anything and nothing.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @Alden

    Is your misquoting of the man intentional?

  32. … e.g., false positive complaints about harless black men

    Did you mean ‘hairless’ black men? I mean, they can look menacing to a little thing like Central Park Karen.

    Now that I think about it, Karens are a threat to everybody … why didn’t the guy simply call the police to report her for having a dog off the leash rather than risk approaching her, which is a Prime Error?

  33. @Rob McX
    Well, he's probably the only black man in the history of the world who's ever tweeted, "I pull out the dog treats I carry for just such intransigence".

    Replies: @Space Ghost, @The Alarmist, @Charon

    Well, he’s probably the only black man in the history of the world who’s ever tweeted, “I pull out the dog treats I carry for just such intransigence”.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @The Alarmist

    This was the only proper response from Karen to Jaqueefius:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DM4-r4pN1PY

    Replies: @The Alarmist

  34. Anonymous[336] • Disclaimer says:

    The woman in the video tried to intimidate him by saying she would call the police and have them all spun up to come down hard on a violent black man. She tried and failed.

    Why? Because she reads and naively believes all the op-eds about black men quivering in fear every time they leave the shelter of their homes. The media and black writers in particular have created a completely fictional picture of America where every black guy is is running down the street, chased like The Elephant Man, screaming “sanctuary!”

    The point is, she never would have done what she did if the media had not told her lies and sold her false hope of seizing power in a moment when she felt powerless. She sucks, he sucks, but the people at the New York Times (and all other journos who wish they were) suck the most.

  35. @dreydl smasher
    sad watching the continued decline of steve sailer into tendentious racist hack. at the very least could have used this incident to drum up some (admittedly, retread) musings on the psychololgy of uber-privileged soon-to-be-barren uws finance jewesses -- but no. more imporant to spoonfeed vomit into the induction holes of the kind of subhuman burger-droppings that bother to come to this festering shithole of a website anymore

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @Anonymous, @Unam, @Alfa158

    • Agree: Mike Tre
    • Replies: @Stebbing Heuer
    @Mr McKenna

    No better response.

    , @Ganderson
    @Mr McKenna

    OK, I’m thick. What is this?

    As for this subject, and I lean more toward the Black guy’s side, but we are at the point (probably have been for some time) where every negative interaction between black and white will be defined as (white) racism. We’re a long way from “Ebony and Ivory”

    , @res
    @Mr McKenna

    For those who aren't up on memes (like me):
    https://www.newstatesman.com/science-tech/internet/2017/11/living-meme-what-happened-bunny-pancake-its-head

    , @donut
    @Mr McKenna

    Butter and syrup please , no margarine . Thanks .

  36. Anonymous[279] • Disclaimer says:
    @dreydl smasher
    sad watching the continued decline of steve sailer into tendentious racist hack. at the very least could have used this incident to drum up some (admittedly, retread) musings on the psychololgy of uber-privileged soon-to-be-barren uws finance jewesses -- but no. more imporant to spoonfeed vomit into the induction holes of the kind of subhuman burger-droppings that bother to come to this festering shithole of a website anymore

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @Anonymous, @Unam, @Alfa158

    You, uh, overstate your point I think, but yes, Steve is overfitting his “type I vs II” mental model here. It’s hard to believe the woman truly believed the dude was a danger, she was just pissed at him confronting her and wanted to get him back somehow. Deliberate maliciousness is not “error.”

  37. anonymous[751] • Disclaimer says:

    Screw her. She admitted she knew the rules.

    It could be worse–I carry a knife and I will gladly kill someone’s retarded, untrained, unleashed dog who jumps on me. And every single woman and liberal’s dog is untrained.

    How many times have you heard that crap? “Oh, she’s just friendly!” as a dog jumps on you without your consent. Get your dogs on a leash, losers. If you don’t like leashing your dogs then move to rural Vermont and own your own property. My personal space in a public park is not part of your dog’s territory.

    • Replies: @Charon
    @anonymous

    One sort-of decent thing about iSteve is that most of the over-the-top psychos have the sense not to use regular handles.

    , @Morton's toes
    @anonymous

    I (almost) cannot go to the park without having a dog collide his nose with my legs at some point. And I commence my hiking at sunrise because I want to see coyotes, not dogs. Also I carry a knife.

    Perhaps dogs like me a hell of a lot more than they like you, but my estimate of needing to use that knife on a dog is about .01 times my estimate of needing to use that knife on a man.

    , @Alden
    @anonymous

    I have nothing but contempt for most dog owners b cause their dogs and untrained and completely control the owners. But her dog didn’t approach the. man. He carries dog treats and frequents the park. He throws the treats to dogs hoping the dog will come to him and he can confront the dog owner.

    Amy Cooper is now being investigated by the Nee York Human Rights Commission. The reason the liberals are making such a fuss about this is that they have long wanted to make it a crime to call the police on a black person unless the black person actually is committing a felony.

    Here’s a common situation. White woman on her way home from work after her 10 or 11 pm shift ends goes into 7/11 to pick up something. She notices 3 black men sitting in a car in a dark spot in the parking lot. She dallies inside the store She sees they are still sitting there. There’s also a bus stop on that corner.

    She’s correct in assuming that the 3 black men are waiting to see a lone person getting off the bus and walking home so they can rob him or her. Or, waiting for someone driving they can follow home and rob.

    Correct police procedure if they see a parked car after dark with 1 or more men just to sitting there is to ask them what they’re doing and for ID. Often the men have warrants out and criminal records.

    And robbers and rapists do frequent parks. My kids were out playing in Land’s End the day David Carpenter ( White serial killer) accosted and killed one of his victims in Lands End National Park about 2 blocks from our house. All his victims were young women in state and national parks

    There was another serial killer who grabbed women walking on the sidewalk that ran along Golden Gate Park. There was tall thick shrubbery and he just stepped out behind them and grabbed them.

    Replies: @Truth

  38. @Dave Pinsen
    @Twinkie

    Open your eyes wider, Twink.

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1265456033109073927?s=20

    Replies: @Change that Matters, @moshe, @Twinkie, @Anon, @Truth, @Joe Stalin

    I highly doubt he is that Machiavellian. The guy was honest about what he said and did re dog and dog treats even though it puts him in a negative light. The truth is that you or I up against a Karen would be lynched for saying what he says he said but they’d be wrong to lynch us. She was breaking the rules to his detriment and he responded in a manner that he had a right to.

    When it became obvious that she was going to use his words against him he decided to start videoing and she freaked out. I don’t know whether her freakout was out of misplaced righteous indignation or out of actual fear but both are human level errors.

    Either way, while admitting to not having read or watched any more than 5 minutes about this issue, if he is on the record as going against what the SJWs did to her than he is a better man than most of us.

  39. I just bothered to watch the video.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/melodyMcooper/status/1264965252866641920

    She doesn’t come off looking great. If she did it to me I’d be super pissed and feel quite good about her losing her job. Not that her bosses seem justified in taking her job but I think he would have been justified in rejoicing that they had.

    • Replies: @Morris Applebaum IV
    @moshe

    Then you should bother to use your head and figure out that just maybe something happened BEFORE the video. Sigh. She had an epic meltdown in response to an outrageous and unexpected provocation.

    File this under it takes two to tango.

    Replies: @Coag

    , @Redman
    @moshe

    You’d feel good about it? You’re right. He is a better man than you.

  40. Anonymous[130] • Disclaimer says:

    You might scoff, but paradoxically, my opinion is that the *ONLY* hope for the white race is the rise and rise to full spectrum economic, fiscal, military, technological and political dominance of China.

    In saying this I’m acting in the same manner as the late, great Enoch Powell, a life long committed Conservative, who tore up his Tory membership card and urged British voters, all voters, to vote Labour in the UK General Election of March 1974, due to his, (betrayed), belief that Labour would take Britain out of the EEC.

    My feeling – and I might be wrong – is that despite historical injuries and insults, the Chinese in general have a ‘live and let live’ attitude towards whites.
    That *definitely* *CANNOT* be said about blacks, subcons or, most importantly of all, the white Economist whipped ruling class western Deep State. All of the above want us destroyed. Make no mistake about that.

    In my own little way I contribute towards this objective by a ‘purchase Chinese’ policy, often via eBay or alibaba.

    In any event, north America and western Europe will be majority black/brown by population in the latter half of this century, China or no China.

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
    @Anonymous


    My feeling – and I might be wrong – is that despite historical injuries and insults, the Chinese in general have a ‘live and let live’ attitude towards whites.
     
    You're certainly wrong.

    If you have a Chinese acquaintance of 'drinking buddy' level, lead the conversation around to HSBC and the Opium Wars.

    Back in the 90s, one of about a dozen students that was part of our regular lunch group was a born-in-Australia 'assimilated' Chinese. His nickname was 'Stick', because he used that word to describe stupid people (there's two bad Australian jokes that caused that - below the 'MORE').

    He spoke with no accent; did high school at Haileybury; was on the waiting list for the Melbourne Club. He played cricket well enough to be invited to be a 'net bowler' for visiting national teams. And he was shit at mathematics (which is actually true of more than half of the ~300 Asian students I taught).

    Both his parents were anti-CCP, and had no real attachment to modern China - having emigrated in the 1960s. They were reliable voters for 'conservative' politics (in Australia that means the Liberal Party).

    Anyhow... this is by way of introduction of an individual whose 'Chinese-ness' wasn't remotely nationalist (or political in any way).

    In 1995 one of our number got a half-decent job offer at HSBC - and of course that lunch session the group discussed it for a while.

    After everyone wandered off, there were five of us left: Stick; two of his flatmates; two of my mates, and me[1].

    One of his flatmates said "You were strangely quiet about HSBC, Stick. I thought you had a strong view?"

    The next five minutes or so was all about how HSBC needs to be expropriated, and that every Chink worth his salt wants to see England, the US and HSBC all destroyed for what they did to China in the 1800s.

    I was intrigued at the venom - this guy was the quintessential 'networker', and not given to vituperation - so I asked if that was a common view among Chinese people he knew (although to be frank he didn't know many). He said it's universal, according to his parents.

    Over the next couple of weeks he started calling over Chinese students that he didn't know, and asking them to tell us what they thought about the issue. Often there were prefatory remarks in Cantonese to encourage them that this wasn't a setup.

    Either he was good at spotting ChinkChinks who thought like him, or the US/England/HSBC sentiment runs a good 75% against.

    They have no issue with 'white' per se, although they think we stink and are clumsy and stupid.

    White Aussies/Kiwis/SarthEffrikans/Frogs/Krauts/Canucks... no drama. White Yanks and Poms tho: fuck those guys. Anyone who works at HSBC: set those cunts on fire.

    It's not dissimilar to how US black activists feel about US slavery, or how Maori feel about the way white people established Crown control over New Zealand.

    It's invariably only perpetrators of atrocities who do the whole "Let's let bygones be bygones"/"Let the past stay in the past" thing.

    [1] One of his flatmates was also my mate.


    The Two Bad Australian 'Stick' Jokes


    Q: What's the technical term for a non-returning boomerang?
    A: A stick

    Q: What's brown and sticky?
    A: A stick.
     
    Relevance to calling dumb people 'Stick': a non-returning boomerang is useless, and the shit in useless people's heads is brown and sticky.
  41. Could we book this lady for the iSteve Christmas party?

    Pop star Doja Cat has denied taking part in racist conversations online, and apologised for a song that appeared to mock victims of police brutality.

    The star took to Instagram to address several accusations, including the suggestion she had stripped for white supremacists in a video chatroom.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-52805974

    No, I hadn’t heard of her either. But the funniest bit is this: The controversy was triggered by the emergence of an old song under the title Dindu Nuffin – a term used to disparage black victims of police brutality.

    Black victims of law enforcement would be nearer the mark.

  42. @Mister.Baseball
    The whole incident is something stupid between two unpleasant people. Her dog should've been on its leash and she is a selfish box wine aunt. Yet, it doesn't just change that the guy threatened her, and has a history of harassing dog walkers using the same, "you're not gonna to like what I'm gonna do" line. So it's something this guy does in his spare time (including carrying dog treats in his pocket to interfere with dog owners.)
    He's a prick, and under any other circumstance [and any other skin color] it would be a story of a busybody running into the wrong, annoying box-wine aunt type who calls the cops over everything-- maybe justified this time considering that line and him continuing to go after her dog despite warning him not to touch the dog.

    That it is major news is embarrassing. And I feel bad for box-wine aunt for losing her job, and dog, because of the mob.

    ...the SJW sleeper cells have been activated for the election and the media is really trying to drum up some summer Travyon/Baltimore 2.0 over every incident, no matter how serious.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @Anonymous, @duncsbaby, @Thea, @Erik L, @Mike_from_SGV

    Not only lost her job and dog but now a “civic organization” wants to ban her from Central Park for life. Meanwhile in Minneapolis left wing protesters are not social distancing or wearing masks. It’s gonna be a fun summer.

    https://patch.com/new-york/midtown-nyc/group-wants-central-park-ban-woman-who-called-cops-birder

    https://nypost.com/2020/05/27/minneapolis-protesters-trash-precinct-clash-with-police/

  43. Classic anti-White “heads I win, tails you lose” crap. If the roles were reversed, the anti-White lynch mob would would be demanding the white guy’s head for harassing a black female dog walker.

    If anyone has a Franklin Templeton investment account, close it and tell them why.

    • Agree: Malcolm X-Lax
    • Replies: @Another Canadian
    @Morris Applebaum IV


    If anyone has a Franklin Templeton investment account, close it and tell them why.

     

    Done. Now may the ghost of John Bogle help me with the paperwork.
  44. @Dave Pinsen
    @Jack D

    That she didn’t maintain her sangfroid when confronted by a strange man in a park intimating that he was going to harm her fur baby doesn’t mean she doesn’t conduct herself professionally in her company’s office.

    Replies: @Morris Applebaum IV

    It was an epic meltdown, but there were very understandable reasons that, unfortunately, the mainstream media refuses to report. At worst she should have been forced to attend a humiliating diversity training course.

    There’s got to be someone reading this blog who has an investment account with Franklin Templeton. They need to lose at least some business for this unjust firing.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    @Morris Applebaum IV


    There’s got to be someone reading this blog who has an investment account with Franklin Templeton. They need to lose at least some business for this unjust firing.
     
    Franklin has been a poorly managed pile of junk for quite awhile. Their stock is down about 60% over the past five years. They've managed an astounding number of consecutive quarters of net outflows (when more money is redeemed from their funds than is invested), something like 20+.

    They're already facing industry headwinds in that fewer and fewer investors are willing to invest in actively managed funds (as opposed to passive [i.e. index] funds), then factor in their lazy, incompetent, and nepotistic management (the current Chairman is the son of the past Chairman, the CEO is his sister and daughter of the prior Chairman) and you get a real mess of a company.

    Example of recent management brilliance: They decided to buy Legg Mason in mid-February. The deal included a massive break-up fee (in excess of $500mm). Naturally Covid hit not long after and Legg's assets under management plummeted, but Franklin is still on the hook for the acquisition.


    https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/BEN

    Click on "5Y" above the chart.

    Replies: @the one they call Desanex

  45. @Dave Pinsen
    @Twinkie

    Open your eyes wider, Twink.

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1265456033109073927?s=20

    Replies: @Change that Matters, @moshe, @Twinkie, @Anon, @Truth, @Joe Stalin

    Open your eyes wider, Twink.

    I will when you can see below your belly.

    Only race-obsessed morons wouldn’t see from the video that she is the one who advanced on him and started to act on the phone with the police like she was being assaulted. Geez. The dog needs exercise? Take it for a walk or a run on a leash instead of breaking park rules and choking her dog by stringing it up.

    And he didn’t ruin her – she did that all by herself by calling the police and trying to frame him for a crime. Did he “provoke” her into breaking the park rules and disturbing the bird sanctuary?

    And I love the “This AFRICAN-AMERICAN man is threatening me!” part. Really scared people don’t yell PC-compliant descriptive like that. They scream “HELP! A man is threatening me!” or perhaps “This black guy is after me!” People under stress often lose adjectives and adverbs, forget PC-compliant ones.

    For once, a white person is actually the bad one. Let it go.

    • Replies: @Coag
    @Twinkie

    To be fair, Dave’s hypocritical, ignorant pro-white tribalism is more of what we need these days. White folks need to learn that you can’t ever win with logic. You can only win with Al Sharpton-style tribalism.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @peterike
    @Twinkie


    And I love the “This AFRICAN-AMERICAN man is threatening me!” part. Really scared people don’t yell PC-compliant descriptive like that.
     
    I can only assume from this comment that you have never actually met a Liberal white woman. Their tongues would burst into flame in their mouths before they uttered "black" or anything other than "African-American." They are absolutely conditioned to speak that way, and no level of fear will change it.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @VinnyVette

    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Twinkie

    I would only add that I wouldn't want someone who doesn't realize...

    1) the only thing they control is their reaction

    and

    2) their best move in this situation is walking away

    ...managing $10k, much less $100 million.

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Twinkie


    “Open your eyes wider, Twink.”

    “I will when you can see below your belly.”
     
    See, now this is quality bantz. A zing here, a zing there …

    Replies: @Twinkie

  46. @moshe
    I just bothered to watch the video.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/melodyMcooper/status/1264965252866641920

    She doesn't come off looking great. If she did it to me I'd be super pissed and feel quite good about her losing her job. Not that her bosses seem justified in taking her job but I think he would have been justified in rejoicing that they had.

    Replies: @Morris Applebaum IV, @Redman

    Then you should bother to use your head and figure out that just maybe something happened BEFORE the video. Sigh. She had an epic meltdown in response to an outrageous and unexpected provocation.

    File this under it takes two to tango.

    • Replies: @Coag
    @Morris Applebaum IV

    Outrageous? That was an awesome provocation. Maybe I’ll try that trick next time. She was a litterer and deserved to be provoked.

    Leash your goddamn dog like the sign says. We’re in gentrified New York, we’re not in Karachi.

  47. @Rob McX
    Well, he's probably the only black man in the history of the world who's ever tweeted, "I pull out the dog treats I carry for just such intransigence".

    Replies: @Space Ghost, @The Alarmist, @Charon

    Torn between Black Frasier and Twofer from 30 Rock. Though neither of them was quite as sanctimonious.

  48. Like the issue of police shootings, women using police to bully men is not necessarily a racial phenomenon. Before black lives matter, police were shooting lots of people, black and white, in questionable circumstances. However, this being 21st century America, race needs to be injected into the discussion before it becomes “serious.”

    The truth is that the people most likely to call the police on black men are probably black women. I’ve seen black women shamelessly threaten black men with the police merely for having the temerity to stand up for themselves in their own homes. However, this is by no means a purely black phenomenon. White women do it all the time as well.

    “Believe all women” attitudes, pervasive due to feminism, lead directly to this behavior. There are countless men who have been jailed merely on the say so of some lying woman like Ms. Cooper. Mostly this gets zero attention, and the true victims, mostly white men, get zero sympathy. Fortunately, good cops (most of them), are well aware of this problem and try to cajole the truth out of women before doing anything drastic.

    It isn’t ideal that blacks get to own this issue, but I’ll take it as better than nothing. As I wrote in a previous thread’s comment, something similar happened to me less than a week ago. I was able to prevent the woman from calling the cops, but only because it was not the first time this has happened to me and I knew how to neutralize her threat. In fact, I can’t count all the times I’ve had women threaten me with authorities, almost always because I called them out on their own bad behavior. That seems to be what provokes them the most.

    If that dog lady lied in her police call, she should do jail time. Every woman who makes a false police report should, at the very least, be booked for the crime. Sure, the jails would be overflowing for a while, but eventually they would learn their lesson and the culture would change for the better.

    I don’t believe that lies are the same as type I errors. A lie is not an error. There’s a big distinction there. This conflation of the two is feminist sleight of hand. Maybe the racial issue is also contributing to muddled thinking here, but the underlying issue is female abuse of authority, and it has been a problem in the US for decades.

    Ironically, it is black women who may stand to lose the most power if there is a cultural change in this regard. I’ve spent time in family court, and near the courtrooms there’s a little window where guys who got in trouble over domestic disputes line up to check in. I remember taking a good look at that line, relieved I wasn’t in it (I was lucky — it wasn’t for lack of effort on my ex’s part), and noticing how many black guys were there. I’m sure there were plenty of guilty men in that line, but I grew up around a lot of blacks and saw how vindictive their women can be, so I’m equally sure that there were quite a few totally innocent men unfairly dragged through that process because some angry woman picked up the phone, called the cops and lied through her teeth.

    • Replies: @ANON
    @Bill P

    Good comment. I agree. As a former investigator I was often shocked by the crap some guys have to go through— seemingly unjust stuff— and how stoically many of them handled it. A lot of them black and Hispanic. These are the 95% who try to do the right thing even when dealt BS from law enforcement and the courts. Their stories are never heard because they’re not newsworthy. Reading trending stories on social media or MSM or featured by Paul Kersey would give you a very distorted view of how things actually are. It would be good if people went to their local courthouse and perused the docket and sat in on some court cases.

    There are a lot of horrible women out there and if you happen to be the man who involves with them you will have a rollercoaster life at best and most likely will be emotionally, mentally, and physically damaged if not destroyed. And law enforcement and the courts are totally on the side of the woman. Often law enforcement will apologize to the male involved in a 911 call before telling them that their (LEO’s) hands are tied and the male must be arrested and booked. In a domestic situation, or civil divorce/child custody case, law enforcement and the courts act as women’s advocates.

    I don’t say this as someone who’s ever been arrested or divorced. I say this as someone who’s spent a lot of time in courthouses and interviewing people. I saw how getting involved with the wrong woman could potentially be life-destroying and I therefore saw to it that I never get involved with such a woman. I.e., a woman who possessed any of the behaviors or displayed any of the warning signs of a bitch or nag or unstable woman. As a young man I dated all the above. I went for looks and T & A. And in every one of those relationships, I — as an opinionated, temperamental, stubborn, and argumentative guy— was miserable and the relationship quickly devolved into drama and bitter fights and temporary break-ups. I never had a premarital relationship last longer than 1.5-2 years.

    So when it came to looking for a wife I was methodical in choosing the right one. I waited for one with all the right character traits. I found her. So now in my first and only marriage I have gone decades with only a few mild arguments (which were quickly resolved the same day). Involving with the wrong woman can be a soul-crushing hell. Being married to the right woman is a source of constant happiness and joy, heavenly.

    Replies: @VinnyVette, @Bill P

    , @Alden
    @Bill P

    What do you do, accost strangers in public and scold them for going through a door in front of you? Are the women you call out for their misbehavior neighbors relatives someone you live with or strangers you harass in public?

    Replies: @Jane Plain

    , @Jane Plain
    @Bill P

    Something tells me that Christian Cooper has never been in a position to have a black woman call the cops on him.

    , @anon
    @Bill P

    If that dog lady lied in her police call, she should do jail time. Every woman who makes a false police report should, at the very least, be booked for the crime.

    "False police report" is a misdemeanor that is seldom enforced. There are reasons for that.

    , @Alden
    @Bill P

    You’re writing about domestic violence situations which are between 2 people who live together or are in the same place by choice at the time the alleged incident happened.

    This was an encounter between 2 strangers. One of the strangers belongs to one of the demographics that commits 96% of the homicides in NYC.

    As for saying African American, race is the first question the dispatchers ask, then clothes, then size then age.

    This can and does happen to Whites. Blacks, especially black women constantly try to set up Whites in the workplace. Black men sexually harass White women they work with and then claim racial discrimination if the White woman rejects them.

    Replies: @Bill P

    , @Marty
    @Bill P

    About 15 years ago I was in a holding tank at Santa Rita after an admin screw-up on a citation I had paid. There with me was a 20-year old black kid with dreds, a football player who was in the process of transferring from Idaho to Northern Arizona. He gets on the phone to his girlfriend to instruct her to sell a gun to raise bail. While he’s waiting for her to find it, he says to me, “whatchoo in for man, dmestic vylince?”

  49. @anonymous
    Screw her. She admitted she knew the rules.

    It could be worse--I carry a knife and I will gladly kill someone's retarded, untrained, unleashed dog who jumps on me. And every single woman and liberal's dog is untrained.


    How many times have you heard that crap? "Oh, she's just friendly!" as a dog jumps on you without your consent. Get your dogs on a leash, losers. If you don't like leashing your dogs then move to rural Vermont and own your own property. My personal space in a public park is not part of your dog's territory.

    Replies: @Charon, @Morton's toes, @Alden

    One sort-of decent thing about iSteve is that most of the over-the-top psychos have the sense not to use regular handles.

    • Agree: Erik L, Yngvar
  50. @anonymous
    @Twinkie

    Welcome back. I assume you've been busy winning senior division championships in various unlicensed South-East Asian MMA tournaments.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    No silly twat, I’ve been busy training my eldest son for Youth Nationals and Junior Olympics in Judo (sadly rescheduled to later in the year in Utah) and preparing him for the next Pan Kids (Pan Ams) in IBJJF Jiu-Jitsu.

  51. @Morris Applebaum IV
    @moshe

    Then you should bother to use your head and figure out that just maybe something happened BEFORE the video. Sigh. She had an epic meltdown in response to an outrageous and unexpected provocation.

    File this under it takes two to tango.

    Replies: @Coag

    Outrageous? That was an awesome provocation. Maybe I’ll try that trick next time. She was a litterer and deserved to be provoked.

    Leash your goddamn dog like the sign says. We’re in gentrified New York, we’re not in Karachi.

    • Agree: moshe
  52. I’ll just say one thing: if this dog brouhaha had happened in an ultraviolent ghetto of the Rhode Islands, no one would have cared enough to spill a coffee milk over it!

    [MORE]

    Are those yer dogs?

    • LOL: Truth
    • Replies: @Redman
    @adreadline

    Great vid. But Fall River is in MA, not Rhode Island. Although it's pretty much the same demo.

  53. @Twinkie
    @Dave Pinsen


    Open your eyes wider, Twink.
     
    I will when you can see below your belly.

    Only race-obsessed morons wouldn’t see from the video that she is the one who advanced on him and started to act on the phone with the police like she was being assaulted. Geez. The dog needs exercise? Take it for a walk or a run on a leash instead of breaking park rules and choking her dog by stringing it up.

    And he didn’t ruin her - she did that all by herself by calling the police and trying to frame him for a crime. Did he “provoke” her into breaking the park rules and disturbing the bird sanctuary?

    And I love the “This AFRICAN-AMERICAN man is threatening me!” part. Really scared people don’t yell PC-compliant descriptive like that. They scream “HELP! A man is threatening me!” or perhaps “This black guy is after me!” People under stress often lose adjectives and adverbs, forget PC-compliant ones.

    For once, a white person is actually the bad one. Let it go.

    Replies: @Coag, @peterike, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    To be fair, Dave’s hypocritical, ignorant pro-white tribalism is more of what we need these days. White folks need to learn that you can’t ever win with logic. You can only win with Al Sharpton-style tribalism.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Coag


    You can only win with Al Sharpton-style tribalism.
     
    You want whites to be like blacks? Has Al Sharpton-style tribalism worked out for anyone but Al Sharpton? How are ordinary black people doing?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Coag, @Anon, @Whiskey

  54. This is where I get off the Steve train.

    I live in Washington DC and for the past 18 years in a neighborhood that is half gentrified and half 100 percent black housing projects. One of the things you quickly learn for your own safety on the sidewalks and on the Metro is how to distinguish ordinary black men minding their business (which is most of them) from thugs. If you can’t do that, you’re a hysterical fool like Amy Cooper who couldn’t tell the difference in broad daylight and thus shouldn’t be living in a city. The thugs are uniformly young (teens to 25 or so), loud, usually traveling in groups, and of distinctly gangsta appearance: locs, tattoos, pant waists down below the boxer shorts, in the summer often no shirt. Those black males are to be avoided at all costs–which is something that respectable black people do. If she had run screaming for the police from one or more (usually more) of that type, and he had turned out to be a Rhodes scholar, that would have been a “false positive.”

    I’m glad that Franklin Templeton fired her. My husband and I have some of our savings in Franklin Templeton, and I don’t want my money managed by a 42-year-old single woman in NYC who: 1) calls herself a “dog mom” and the dogs she owns her “babies”; 2) wears a coronavirus mask while walking on a virtually unpopulated trail in the early morning; 3) has so little social awareness that she can’t tell the difference between a thug and some middle-aged black guy in a T-shirt; 4) disregards the leash law on an environmentally fragile trail because “fur baby” is so precious; 5) obviously calls the police without provocation while remembering to be oh-so-politically correct (she says “African-American”? C’mon!); and 6) gets so emotionally wrought up that she tortures the dog in the process (I could scarcely watch that prolonged strangling on the video as she repeatedly dragged the choking animal by its collar).

    Sorry, but I feel zero sympathy for this woman. She needs to get out of money management.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @Charlotte Allen

    Charlotte: low-cost index funds. You're getting ripped off. ;)

    Otherwise, agree with you 100%. Keep up the good work.

    , @VinnyVette
    @Charlotte Allen

    What she needs is a rubber room, a straight jacket and a bottle of thorazine! Nice rant!

    , @Testing12
    @Charlotte Allen

    Excellent list. But many of us got off the train when the incessant COVID-hysteria started.

    Regarding fur babies - folks wonder where white fertility went? So much parental instinct of upper middle class whites these days is funneled toward canines. It's disgusting and out of control. I know married couples with no kids who cook dinner every night for their stupid dogs. Are american whites the only people in the world who put dogs on such a pedestal?

    Replies: @Charlotte Allen

    , @Jane Plain
    @Charlotte Allen

    Do you agree with the virtual lynching, Charlotte?

    Replies: @Charlotte Allen

    , @Jane Plain
    @Charlotte Allen

    PS - Further, I think you're allowing your dislike of her type of white woman to interfere with your judgement on the bigger picture, which will result in a continual criminalization of any disagreement shown by any white person with any form of black misbehavior.

    He was right about the leash, but his manner was provocative. Did you hear the video? That teasing voice? He was clearly egging her on. He was not frightened of the police, in fact, he urged her to call them.

    And he wasn't some skinny, nerdy, bird-watcher. Other photos of Christian Cooper show a massively muscular man. That comment, "I'm going to do something you're not going to like" turned out to be a nothingburger (he reached into his pocket and pulled out a dog treat), but how do you explain that?

    You just don't like her cultural type, so let her go to the guillotine. Fine, but if you should ever happen to be turned into a Karen, don't come to me to stick up for you.

    , @Kaz
    @Charlotte Allen


    If you can’t do that, you’re a hysterical fool like Amy Cooper who couldn’t tell the difference in broad daylight and thus shouldn’t be living in a city.
     
    Did you watch the video? You can't even make the generous claim that she was scared or stupid.

    She KNEW 100% the man was safe. That's why she approached him and got in his face when she was yelling at him, before stepping back to make the call.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    @Charlotte Allen

    Did she actually call herself a “dog mom”?

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @Charlotte Allen

  55. @Mr McKenna
    @dreydl smasher

    https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/007/445/pancake_bunny.jpg

    Replies: @Stebbing Heuer, @Ganderson, @res, @donut

    No better response.

  56. @Mister.Baseball
    The whole incident is something stupid between two unpleasant people. Her dog should've been on its leash and she is a selfish box wine aunt. Yet, it doesn't just change that the guy threatened her, and has a history of harassing dog walkers using the same, "you're not gonna to like what I'm gonna do" line. So it's something this guy does in his spare time (including carrying dog treats in his pocket to interfere with dog owners.)
    He's a prick, and under any other circumstance [and any other skin color] it would be a story of a busybody running into the wrong, annoying box-wine aunt type who calls the cops over everything-- maybe justified this time considering that line and him continuing to go after her dog despite warning him not to touch the dog.

    That it is major news is embarrassing. And I feel bad for box-wine aunt for losing her job, and dog, because of the mob.

    ...the SJW sleeper cells have been activated for the election and the media is really trying to drum up some summer Travyon/Baltimore 2.0 over every incident, no matter how serious.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @Anonymous, @duncsbaby, @Thea, @Erik L, @Mike_from_SGV

    As with poor Brendan Leipsic, they may have already been looking for an excuse to fire her.

    I feel a bit guilty to say that when I heard she was an investment banker my sympathy dried up.

    He clearly set out to get a histrionic reaction and boy did she deliver.

    It’s important to know how to start calm under pressure and not give in to angry reactions.

    • Agree: Malcolm X-Lax
  57. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden
    @Jack D

    Given the overwhelming robbery murder and rape statistics of NYC black men she was absolutely correct to call the police. Big city women have to be very situationally aware of black men. How was she to know he didn’t have 2 fellow thugs laying in wait for a line woman to come along.

    “if you have the right to keep your dog unleashed, “ I have the right to do something to you that you don’t like “ is a direct threat.

    I’ve noticed blacks have a habit of instigating confrontations with Whites by scolding them for something. The White is supposed to bow his head in shame as the black berates them for going through a store door ahead of them, objecting to being shoved on Push Day touching them in a crowded elevator or anything and nothing.

    Replies: @anonymous

    Is your misquoting of the man intentional?

  58. MLK says:

    I find this current assault on the old school advisement to ‘When in doubt, call the cops,” fascinating.

    Perhaps we’ve gotten ourselves so turned around by Identity nonsense we’ve forgotten the days when we had Peace, not Law Enforcement, Officers.

    We seem to have flipped to the extreme opposite of this cautionary tale:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kitty_Genovese

    The irony is that NYC has a well-trained, expensive army protecting its citizenry. Whatever people might imagine happening elsewhere, the idea that Harvard-educated, Audubon Society board member black or not was at all at risk of anything from cops showing up is absurd. He knew that, which is why he kept videoing and told her he wanted her to call 9/11.

    Ditto, by the way, for the lady with her dog at 8 AM. In the old days, we would have concluded what I have no doubt cops responding would have in this case, she was having a bad day.

    The cops that showed up — any two cops that showed up, would have told him that she had leashed her dog and that they would remind her she needed to do so in the future or risk a citation.

    He would have then left, and the cops would have spent the next half an hour or so listening to her complain about how difficult a time she and fluffy were having, what with the virus lockdown and all — “He’s not getting enough exercise!” — before sending her on her way — “Okay, have a better day, Ma’am.”

    Back before Do The Right Thing, BLM, and Wokeness and all that, we used to be able to recognize life imitating an episode of The Andy Griffith Show, enjoy it and call it a day.

    • Agree: Redman, Fluesterwitz, Alden, utu
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @MLK

    Thanks, I'll steal the Kitty Genovese idea.

    , @MLK
    @MLK

    Wow, praise from Caesar!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3C-77mlmSnI

    , @dreydl smasher
    @MLK

    this is not mayberry, it's a real-life (ie, unfunny) seinfeld episode. to wit: birdwatching blackman who used to work for marvel comix

    sailer should easily have noticed but too busy scrounging for tips, calibrating his obnoxious nimby negro-threat-verification tool

  59. @Charlotte Allen
    This is where I get off the Steve train.

    I live in Washington DC and for the past 18 years in a neighborhood that is half gentrified and half 100 percent black housing projects. One of the things you quickly learn for your own safety on the sidewalks and on the Metro is how to distinguish ordinary black men minding their business (which is most of them) from thugs. If you can't do that, you're a hysterical fool like Amy Cooper who couldn't tell the difference in broad daylight and thus shouldn't be living in a city. The thugs are uniformly young (teens to 25 or so), loud, usually traveling in groups, and of distinctly gangsta appearance: locs, tattoos, pant waists down below the boxer shorts, in the summer often no shirt. Those black males are to be avoided at all costs--which is something that respectable black people do. If she had run screaming for the police from one or more (usually more) of that type, and he had turned out to be a Rhodes scholar, that would have been a "false positive."

    I'm glad that Franklin Templeton fired her. My husband and I have some of our savings in Franklin Templeton, and I don't want my money managed by a 42-year-old single woman in NYC who: 1) calls herself a "dog mom" and the dogs she owns her "babies"; 2) wears a coronavirus mask while walking on a virtually unpopulated trail in the early morning; 3) has so little social awareness that she can't tell the difference between a thug and some middle-aged black guy in a T-shirt; 4) disregards the leash law on an environmentally fragile trail because "fur baby" is so precious; 5) obviously calls the police without provocation while remembering to be oh-so-politically correct (she says "African-American"? C'mon!); and 6) gets so emotionally wrought up that she tortures the dog in the process (I could scarcely watch that prolonged strangling on the video as she repeatedly dragged the choking animal by its collar).

    Sorry, but I feel zero sympathy for this woman. She needs to get out of money management.

    Replies: @SFG, @VinnyVette, @Testing12, @Jane Plain, @Jane Plain, @Kaz, @Dave Pinsen

    Charlotte: low-cost index funds. You’re getting ripped off. 😉

    Otherwise, agree with you 100%. Keep up the good work.

  60. @MLK
    I find this current assault on the old school advisement to 'When in doubt, call the cops," fascinating.

    Perhaps we've gotten ourselves so turned around by Identity nonsense we've forgotten the days when we had Peace, not Law Enforcement, Officers.

    We seem to have flipped to the extreme opposite of this cautionary tale:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kitty_Genovese

    The irony is that NYC has a well-trained, expensive army protecting its citizenry. Whatever people might imagine happening elsewhere, the idea that Harvard-educated, Audubon Society board member black or not was at all at risk of anything from cops showing up is absurd. He knew that, which is why he kept videoing and told her he wanted her to call 9/11.

    Ditto, by the way, for the lady with her dog at 8 AM. In the old days, we would have concluded what I have no doubt cops responding would have in this case, she was having a bad day.

    The cops that showed up -- any two cops that showed up, would have told him that she had leashed her dog and that they would remind her she needed to do so in the future or risk a citation.

    He would have then left, and the cops would have spent the next half an hour or so listening to her complain about how difficult a time she and fluffy were having, what with the virus lockdown and all -- "He's not getting enough exercise!" -- before sending her on her way -- "Okay, have a better day, Ma'am."

    Back before Do The Right Thing, BLM, and Wokeness and all that, we used to be able to recognize life imitating an episode of The Andy Griffith Show, enjoy it and call it a day.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @MLK, @dreydl smasher

    Thanks, I’ll steal the Kitty Genovese idea.

  61. @Jack D

    Type II errors (e.g., failures to alert police about dangerous black men).
     
    Except Cooper is not a danger black man. He was not Trayvon Martin or a "jogger" with construction boots and a hammer. This was one time when the black media hero really is a good guy. And she didn't FAIL to alert the police to him. She had no duty or right to alert the police to him because he had not committed any crime.

    Instead she falsely accused him of threatening to kill her. This is a very serious false accusation and she should be in jail or at least fined for making a false police report. She is a sociopath who was caught doing the wrong thing and instead of humbly admitting that she was in the wrong and leashing her dog she falsely accused a man of a serious felony as a below the belt tactic to "win" the encounter. She played the short game and didn't think of the larger implications of her tactics (to say the least). And she clearly was NOT afraid of Cooper - rather than running AWAY from him, she approaches him. He was afraid of HER. He asks her to stay away from him on the film as she approaches menacingly.

    Of course, the racial aspect is what took this to a whole different level in the press, but what she did was despicable regardless of color. But she was the one who pulled the race card. She was an idiot to do this in America 2020 and now she is suffering the consequences.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Change that Matters, @Alden, @Bill Jones

    Never mind the racism, where is the outrage at the appalling sexism of her reporting a “man”?

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    @Bill Jones

    Nor did she care enough to even confirm his desired personal pronouns

  62. Anon[121] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    @Twinkie

    Open your eyes wider, Twink.

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1265456033109073927?s=20

    Replies: @Change that Matters, @moshe, @Twinkie, @Anon, @Truth, @Joe Stalin

    Twinkie’s right, her use of the term African-American man, and her emphasis and repeated use of that term, was her fatal error.

    She’s just a overly confident, entitled, U of Chicago MBA, AWFL bitch who thinks she’s all that because she has some high-powered job as a money-shifter. This type abounds in NYC, DC, Boston, et al.

    Personally I’m super reluctant to get into any squabble with a stranger over any issue, but especially with an AWFL because I know how petty and vindictive they can be. That is a losing battle for someone like me if the cops are called (“This man was acting aggressively and I felt threatened…”). Undoubtedly she’s pulled variations of this shit before and been successful with these AWFL tactics. But this time the entitled AWFL bitch crap didn’t work against a successful Harvard-educated, gay, birdwatching-nerd black man.

    I see this whole incident as less of a race issue and more of an AWFL bitch getting her comeuppance. Having encountered this type before, a lot, I’m feeling a little pep-in-my-step schadenfreude over it.

    Having said all that, I would feel awful if someone I got into a squabble or fight with ended up in trouble or lost their job or dog over it. Even if they were nasty and deserved it. I would want someone to learn their lesson, be chastened, but in no way hurt. If I were Christian Cooper I would feel horrible about what happened to Amy Cooper and would try to reach out to her and reconcile and maybe even help her if possible. That would be the Christian thing to do (no pun intended).

    • Agree: Twinkie
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Anon


    I see this whole incident as less of a race issue and more of an AWFL bitch getting her comeuppance.
     
    You're right but the REASON she got her comeuppance was because of race and not because of what she did. Had birdwatcher man been white, this would have never blown up at all. Then again, she was the one that pulled the race card, so it is just more well deserved comeuppance. "An African-American man is threatening my life" (Implictly, "Hurry, police come quickly, it's an emergency") (when nothing of the sort was going on) meant that she was pulling the nuclear option and the bomb blew up in her face.

    Ironically, the police showed up much later if at all - when seconds count the police are minutes away.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Spangel

    , @JSQ
    @Anon

    This sums it up exactly. We all know this type of silly, self-important, neurotic middle-class white female who just can't leave well enough alone. We've encountered her countless times in every school and white-collar workplace and affluent neighborhood in America. I think I speak for most white guys when I say we've also learned that the best way to deal with this type is to just bite your tongue, swallow your pride and submit to their petty tyrannies, because the Amy Coopers of this world are natural tattle-tales with a lifetime of practice in their art; they always know just whom to tattle to and how to frame it so as to inflict maximum damage with minimal risk to themselves (although Cooper herself probably should hone her skills in this area a little bit). There is a squalid pleasure in seeing this type of person have her meddling and complaining blow up in her face and result in a public humiliation. It's why, even though I deplore the racial undertones of the "Karen" label, I still smirk a little at the concept, because I can relate to it as well: we all can.

    But the punishment should fit the crime, and being "investigated" by various arms of NYC law enforcement, losing your job--losing your freaking dog--is out of proportion here. This would be a good time for Trump to step in and hold an Obama-type informal "beer summit" between these two, to put the thing to rest. There's enough tension, racial and otherwise, in the US right now; let's try to defuse it a little.

    Replies: @Jane Plain

  63. @Twinkie
    @Dave Pinsen


    Open your eyes wider, Twink.
     
    I will when you can see below your belly.

    Only race-obsessed morons wouldn’t see from the video that she is the one who advanced on him and started to act on the phone with the police like she was being assaulted. Geez. The dog needs exercise? Take it for a walk or a run on a leash instead of breaking park rules and choking her dog by stringing it up.

    And he didn’t ruin her - she did that all by herself by calling the police and trying to frame him for a crime. Did he “provoke” her into breaking the park rules and disturbing the bird sanctuary?

    And I love the “This AFRICAN-AMERICAN man is threatening me!” part. Really scared people don’t yell PC-compliant descriptive like that. They scream “HELP! A man is threatening me!” or perhaps “This black guy is after me!” People under stress often lose adjectives and adverbs, forget PC-compliant ones.

    For once, a white person is actually the bad one. Let it go.

    Replies: @Coag, @peterike, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    And I love the “This AFRICAN-AMERICAN man is threatening me!” part. Really scared people don’t yell PC-compliant descriptive like that.

    I can only assume from this comment that you have never actually met a Liberal white woman. Their tongues would burst into flame in their mouths before they uttered “black” or anything other than “African-American.” They are absolutely conditioned to speak that way, and no level of fear will change it.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @peterike


    They are absolutely conditioned to speak that way, and no level of fear will change it.
     
    You’ve never seen/heard people who are really, actually frightened of death or serious bodily harm. They get tunnel vision and their vocabulary shrivels (sometimes into the nonsensical).

    never actually met a Liberal white woman
     
    That’s a virtual impossibility for someone of my education and socio-economic status in today’s’ America. I wish that weren’t so.
    , @VinnyVette
    @peterike

    But why would they fear those whom they feel nothing but love and compassion for? Is batshit crazy enough to explain their cognitive dissonance?

  64. The Dog Lady pile on continues. Get this.

    The New York City Commission on Human Rights has announced that it is launching an investigation into the case of the white dog-walker who called the cops on a black man in Central Park.

    “At a time when the devastating impacts of racism in Black communities have been made so painfully clear—from racial disparities in COVID-19 outcomes, to harassment of essential workers on the frontlines—it is appalling to see these types of ugly threats directed at one New Yorker by another,” said Sapna Raj, deputy commissioner of the Law Enforcement Bureau at the Commission on Human Rights.

    So now we have a Subcon gleefully taking aim at a white woman. Next step: she will be charged with a hate crime. Just you wait.

    Remember the great Prada hate crime of 2018 when they had “blackface” on a bag?

    Sapna Raj was there to let us all know:

    “Black New Yorkers face discrimination and bias every day. To see racist Jim Crow-era imagery so patently on display at an international luxury retailer’s storefront is appalling and not tolerated in our city,” Raj said.

    Sapna Raj on the right. Why is this nauseating witch in my country?

    Oh and get this bit from the Komissars.

    The Commission on Human Rights has issued a letter of inquiry to the woman requesting her cooperation in a pre-complaint intervention.

    “The Commission has the authority to fine violators of the law and can award compensatory damages to victims, including emotional distress damages and other benefits,” according to its statement.

    “The Commission can also order trainings on the NYC Human Rights Law, changes to policies, and develop restorative justice relief such as community service and mediated apologies, in lieu of or in addition to fines and monetary relief.”

    They’ll make her pay Bird Man money, force an apology, and send her to “training.”

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @peterike

    We need to take our countries back.

  65. @Anonymous
    This whole NYT led shitstorm has just got me thinking.

    I recall, a few weeks ago, that a female letter carrier somewhere in the Midwest was gunned downed and horrifically murdered by an angry irate rabidly furious - as is their wont - young black man simply because she *simply did not have* the gubbmint gibs he was expecting and felt entitled to in her mailbag BECAUSE a Post Office embargo and refusal to deliver order was placed on his residence - a FACT of which he was abundantly aware - due to the FACT of his vicious uncontrolled dogs previously attacking letter carriers.

    This incident, infinitely more heinous, vicious and serious - think of the terror of the post woman's last moments on earth - has strangely garnered very very little media attention. You can rest assured that the BBC has ignored it.

    Replies: @Paul Jolliffe, @res

    It happened on April 28 in Indianapolis.

    You are exactly right – the MSM has memory-holed this horrible incident.

    https://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2020/04/29/mail-carrier-angela-summers-killed-arrest-made-indianapolis/3048297001/

    • Agree: kikz
  66. @Coag
    @Twinkie

    To be fair, Dave’s hypocritical, ignorant pro-white tribalism is more of what we need these days. White folks need to learn that you can’t ever win with logic. You can only win with Al Sharpton-style tribalism.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    You can only win with Al Sharpton-style tribalism.

    You want whites to be like blacks? Has Al Sharpton-style tribalism worked out for anyone but Al Sharpton? How are ordinary black people doing?

    • Agree: Thea
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Twinkie

    They've won!!!!!!
    They run the country!
    It's *ALL* about them!

    It's worked a treat!!!!

    , @Coag
    @Twinkie

    Ordinary black people punch above their weight. They work nice affirmative action sinecures and collect nice salaries and benefits from the rest of you suckers. And that’s because White America is brow beaten every day by the most ludicrous race hustlers and White America is gonna take it like a champ without any complaints. Without the race hustle blacks would be living in favela shacks Rio-style.

    And look around you, Jews do fine—they practice Al Sharpton-style tribalism.

    Trump was on the verge of becoming the first white Al Sharpton. But he’s more interested in flooding America with Indian H1Bs than anything else.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @Anon
    @Twinkie


    You want whites to be like blacks? Has Al Sharpton-style tribalism worked out for anyone but Al Sharpton? How are ordinary black people doing?
     
    False choice.

    Tribalism 100% relies on the ability of people to effectively execute it. Merely stating its existence or will toward it is fairly meaningless.

    The broader Black group effectively lacks that ability for a variety of reasons and across a variety of measurements to include:

    the ability to interpersonally cooperate over long stretches and against self-interest,
    the ability to successfully raise a nuclear family and keep it together
    low crime rates within the group
    high in-group trust
    high rates of civic participation
    etc.

    This is why its politically safe to offer Blacks tribalism, and even to construct some superficial legs of it for them: they lack the innate ability to finish its construction and effectively maintain it.

    Whites broadly speaking, and on the other hand, do not lack the ability to execute on it and this is why it is prohibited to them.

    Jews are the only group truly allowed unrestricted tribalism because they control enough strings to be in charge.

    If tribalism "didn't work out", then it wouldn't be the primary vehicle for Jews.

    The truth is that individualism, outside of necessarily government free frontier societies, is a Jewish political invention and poison pill meant for shit-tier-IQ Whites to steer them away from something effective (tribalism). It is a competition reduction tool for Jews.

    Anyone without a politically effective tribe has the social and political status of a slave because they have no political power. Full stop.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Rob McX

    , @Whiskey
    @Twinkie

    Yes I want Whites to be like Blacks. A mere 13 percent of the population dominates the rest. Are Presidents, most of sports and entertainment. Are presented as the Dream match for all White women.

    And now enjoy the ability to steal all your stuff legally and soon the right to kill Whitey for any reason.

    Blacks went from segregation to utter dominance on their own, through hate hate hate of Whitey and complete aggression. Indeed hate of Whites is the unifying superglue of Blacks.

    Yes I want Whites a minority now to be tribal. Aggressive and violent and dominant. I want our rulers to fear Whites rioting and burning down cities. I want White violence to haunt their every moment.

    And I want Whites to keep it real so White girls run and have four kids with White thugs rather than two by Black dudes or none with White beta males.

    Your skin color is your uniform . And you won't always be young and fit. Better have a pack that had you back. An individual is easy prey. For Blacks or their government.

  67. @peterike
    @Twinkie


    And I love the “This AFRICAN-AMERICAN man is threatening me!” part. Really scared people don’t yell PC-compliant descriptive like that.
     
    I can only assume from this comment that you have never actually met a Liberal white woman. Their tongues would burst into flame in their mouths before they uttered "black" or anything other than "African-American." They are absolutely conditioned to speak that way, and no level of fear will change it.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @VinnyVette

    They are absolutely conditioned to speak that way, and no level of fear will change it.

    You’ve never seen/heard people who are really, actually frightened of death or serious bodily harm. They get tunnel vision and their vocabulary shrivels (sometimes into the nonsensical).

    never actually met a Liberal white woman

    That’s a virtual impossibility for someone of my education and socio-economic status in today’s’ America. I wish that weren’t so.

  68. Anonymous[256] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie
    @Coag


    You can only win with Al Sharpton-style tribalism.
     
    You want whites to be like blacks? Has Al Sharpton-style tribalism worked out for anyone but Al Sharpton? How are ordinary black people doing?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Coag, @Anon, @Whiskey

    They’ve won!!!!!!
    They run the country!
    It’s *ALL* about them!

    It’s worked a treat!!!!

  69. Anonymous[968] • Disclaimer says:

    Your mistake is to concede to The Backward a respectability it has long, long since clearly discarded like a nun who quits her order and becomes a high priced call girl.

    It’s a fouled niddah cloth and should be treated as such.

    If you want to know what is actually going on in New York, read the N.Y. Post. If you want to know what the elites are brewing up, read journals like Foreign Affairs, and the Jewish Daily Forward.

    I wouldn’t use the NYT for a bird cage liner, so as not to insult the bird.

  70. @dreydl smasher
    sad watching the continued decline of steve sailer into tendentious racist hack. at the very least could have used this incident to drum up some (admittedly, retread) musings on the psychololgy of uber-privileged soon-to-be-barren uws finance jewesses -- but no. more imporant to spoonfeed vomit into the induction holes of the kind of subhuman burger-droppings that bother to come to this festering shithole of a website anymore

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @Anonymous, @Unam, @Alfa158

    Jesus chill out bro….

  71. @Twinkie
    @Coag


    You can only win with Al Sharpton-style tribalism.
     
    You want whites to be like blacks? Has Al Sharpton-style tribalism worked out for anyone but Al Sharpton? How are ordinary black people doing?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Coag, @Anon, @Whiskey

    Ordinary black people punch above their weight. They work nice affirmative action sinecures and collect nice salaries and benefits from the rest of you suckers. And that’s because White America is brow beaten every day by the most ludicrous race hustlers and White America is gonna take it like a champ without any complaints. Without the race hustle blacks would be living in favela shacks Rio-style.

    And look around you, Jews do fine—they practice Al Sharpton-style tribalism.

    Trump was on the verge of becoming the first white Al Sharpton. But he’s more interested in flooding America with Indian H1Bs than anything else.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Coag


    They work nice affirmative action sinecures and collect nice salaries and benefits from the rest of you suckers.
     
    You are confusing the Talented Tenth from the vast majority of blacks among whom bastardized is norm and average income is well below that of whites.

    Replies: @Coag, @Redman

  72. At least one of the lessons to come out of this is that it’s OK to be a Karen if you’re a high verbal IQ black homo.

  73. @Twinkie

    trade-off between Type I errors (e.g., false positive complaints about harless black men) and Type II errors (e.g., failures to alert police about dangerous black men).
     
    There is no trade-off in this when people have discernment and exercise good judgment (dangerous black men don’t approach with “The rules say you should leash your dog here, ma’am”). But the latter is too much to ask these days.

    People are like dumb, impulsive children these days - you have to give them simple rules and slap their hands when they reach into the cookie jar. This is how liberty actually dies.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Athletic and Whitesplosive

    There is no trade-off in this when people have discernment and exercise good judgment (dangerous black men don’t approach with “The rules say you should leash your dog here, ma’am”). 

    You think things don’t ever escalate from a fairly innocuous exchange when you’re potentially dealing with an unstable person you don’t know? Come on. I haven’t cared to look up the video (about this piece of un-news) but actually saying “you’re not gonna like what I do,” is certainly vaguely threatening. Shaming women into being less likely to call the police when feeling vaguely threatened by a black man will get more women killed full stop.

    Look, obviously this broad’s a dumbass, but until we design a world without dumbasses it’s better that fewer of them are badly hurt or killed because of it. She’s not the first self-concerned airhead to run into or antagonize a surly negro, and plenty have ended up a lot worse because they didn’t call the cops when they had the chance.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @Athletic and Whitesplosive


    Shaming women into being less likely to call the police when feeling vaguely threatened by a black man will get more women killed full stop.
     
    A feature, not a bug
    , @Twinkie
    @Athletic and Whitesplosive


    I haven’t cared to look up the video
     
    Why don’t you spend 1 minute doing that and come back?
  74. If someone in a public space points out to you that your dog has to be on a leash, and particularly if you already know that you’re required to leash your dog but you simply decide to ignore this regulation, then the only appropriate response is to put Fluffy on a leash.

    I’m sure that it annoyed her to be filmed during this encounter, but being annoyed isn’t a reason to call the police, and claiming that her life was being threatened simply isn’t convincing. Had she really felt that her life was in danger, rather than standing there and jawing with the guy, she would would have been hauling ass out of there, with or without her little dog.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @black sea

    No, there is no expectation to follow the rules when there isn't an enforcer there. Jaqueefius should have minded his own business.

    Replies: @Jack D

  75. @Morris Applebaum IV
    Classic anti-White "heads I win, tails you lose" crap. If the roles were reversed, the anti-White lynch mob would would be demanding the white guy's head for harassing a black female dog walker.

    If anyone has a Franklin Templeton investment account, close it and tell them why.

    Replies: @Another Canadian

    If anyone has a Franklin Templeton investment account, close it and tell them why.

    Done. Now may the ghost of John Bogle help me with the paperwork.

  76. @Mr McKenna
    @dreydl smasher

    https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/007/445/pancake_bunny.jpg

    Replies: @Stebbing Heuer, @Ganderson, @res, @donut

    OK, I’m thick. What is this?

    As for this subject, and I lean more toward the Black guy’s side, but we are at the point (probably have been for some time) where every negative interaction between black and white will be defined as (white) racism. We’re a long way from “Ebony and Ivory”

  77. Classic Central Park birdwatching:

  78. @Anon
    The media are wearing Americans out.

    They may need a spirited America to respond to some real crises or another and find the populace jaded, weary, and distrustful of one another.

    Two weeks of feel-good public service ads and commercials featuring happy-mood-music may not have the desired effects.

    Other nations do not let their medias psychologically berate their populaces nearly as much.

    Replies: @Ganderson

    I’m punching the next person who says to me “we’re all in this together”

  79. @Twinkie
    @Dave Pinsen


    But Christian Cooper also said things have already gone too far. During a pandemic, he added, we all need to be kinder to one another — and respect the rules.

    “I’m not interested in repercussions,” he said. “It’s unfortunate what happened. There was definitely a lapse in judgment. But she put the dog on the leash, and I don’t need to see anything else happen to her.”
     
    He appears to be a better human being than a woman who broke rules and then tried to frame him with a crime all the while consuming public (law enforcement) resources needlessly.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Redman, @res, @jsm, @Anonymous

    LOL. Unnecessary use of public resources? Sounds like you’ve never been to Manhattan. Cops here do nothing all day.

  80. @moshe
    I just bothered to watch the video.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/melodyMcooper/status/1264965252866641920

    She doesn't come off looking great. If she did it to me I'd be super pissed and feel quite good about her losing her job. Not that her bosses seem justified in taking her job but I think he would have been justified in rejoicing that they had.

    Replies: @Morris Applebaum IV, @Redman

    You’d feel good about it? You’re right. He is a better man than you.

  81. Anonymous[751] • Disclaimer says:

    Im a large, youngish white man.

    The ONLY confrontations (maybe four) I’ve had over nothing in public have been with Karens. They’re truly, insanely entitled.

    They’re always shocked when I tell them to fuck off. Most recently one stopped her car in the middle of a road to tell me I couldnt be outside. Only an evil older white woman would entertain the idea of pulling some bs like that.

    I dont start fights with strangers so I guess men who see me don’t feel the need to scream over a parking space or grocery checkout.

  82. In other late breaking news, the jogger in Jawja has been revealed to also be a bird watcher though the efforts of intrepid NYT journalists working overtime for no pay, their only reward being the simple joy of knowing that they were keeping America properly informed. The jogger/bird watcher would veer through houses under construction because he was doing a study to determine the numbers and species of birds trapped in houses under construction. His dream was for Ornithology Today to publish his article documenting the results of his study.

    If the jogger/bird watcher occasionally took a few things from a construction site, it was always in a good cause. The sale of the insignificant lifted items funded his ongoing research and his electrician studies at the local community college. He fully intended to repay the former owner of the petty items taken once he had a good job as a construction electrician. His untimely death was a great loss to both the electrician world and the bird watcher world.

    • LOL: kikz
  83. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    The turning point of the matter comes when Black Bird Watcher Guy says, "If you're going to do whatever you want, then I'm gonna do whatever I want."

    That is not how the law operates. In saying this, he has crossed over into Lynch Law, he has taken on vigilantism. The woman is fully justified in feeling threatened by anything further that he says or does, because he has just announced that he will now proceed to follow his own whims instead of the law. There is no telling what he means by "whatever I want" -- the Zodiac killer said things like this to his victims in a calm tone of voice before murdering them.

    This sort of rough justice may work on a playground among eight year olds, but not between two strange adults in a secluded area of a park with an international reputation for black men assaulting white women.

    The Karen lady was lynched not just by Twitter, but also literally by Black Bird Guy who directly announced he would not be bound by legal convention. Were it not for racial hysteria this would be clear.

    Replies: @Truth

    Is there a legal precedent against offering a dog a snack?

  84. ANON[277] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bill P
    Like the issue of police shootings, women using police to bully men is not necessarily a racial phenomenon. Before black lives matter, police were shooting lots of people, black and white, in questionable circumstances. However, this being 21st century America, race needs to be injected into the discussion before it becomes "serious."

    The truth is that the people most likely to call the police on black men are probably black women. I've seen black women shamelessly threaten black men with the police merely for having the temerity to stand up for themselves in their own homes. However, this is by no means a purely black phenomenon. White women do it all the time as well.

    "Believe all women" attitudes, pervasive due to feminism, lead directly to this behavior. There are countless men who have been jailed merely on the say so of some lying woman like Ms. Cooper. Mostly this gets zero attention, and the true victims, mostly white men, get zero sympathy. Fortunately, good cops (most of them), are well aware of this problem and try to cajole the truth out of women before doing anything drastic.

    It isn't ideal that blacks get to own this issue, but I'll take it as better than nothing. As I wrote in a previous thread's comment, something similar happened to me less than a week ago. I was able to prevent the woman from calling the cops, but only because it was not the first time this has happened to me and I knew how to neutralize her threat. In fact, I can't count all the times I've had women threaten me with authorities, almost always because I called them out on their own bad behavior. That seems to be what provokes them the most.

    If that dog lady lied in her police call, she should do jail time. Every woman who makes a false police report should, at the very least, be booked for the crime. Sure, the jails would be overflowing for a while, but eventually they would learn their lesson and the culture would change for the better.

    I don't believe that lies are the same as type I errors. A lie is not an error. There's a big distinction there. This conflation of the two is feminist sleight of hand. Maybe the racial issue is also contributing to muddled thinking here, but the underlying issue is female abuse of authority, and it has been a problem in the US for decades.

    Ironically, it is black women who may stand to lose the most power if there is a cultural change in this regard. I've spent time in family court, and near the courtrooms there's a little window where guys who got in trouble over domestic disputes line up to check in. I remember taking a good look at that line, relieved I wasn't in it (I was lucky -- it wasn't for lack of effort on my ex's part), and noticing how many black guys were there. I'm sure there were plenty of guilty men in that line, but I grew up around a lot of blacks and saw how vindictive their women can be, so I'm equally sure that there were quite a few totally innocent men unfairly dragged through that process because some angry woman picked up the phone, called the cops and lied through her teeth.

    Replies: @ANON, @Alden, @Jane Plain, @anon, @Alden, @Marty

    Good comment. I agree. As a former investigator I was often shocked by the crap some guys have to go through— seemingly unjust stuff— and how stoically many of them handled it. A lot of them black and Hispanic. These are the 95% who try to do the right thing even when dealt BS from law enforcement and the courts. Their stories are never heard because they’re not newsworthy. Reading trending stories on social media or MSM or featured by Paul Kersey would give you a very distorted view of how things actually are. It would be good if people went to their local courthouse and perused the docket and sat in on some court cases.

    There are a lot of horrible women out there and if you happen to be the man who involves with them you will have a rollercoaster life at best and most likely will be emotionally, mentally, and physically damaged if not destroyed. And law enforcement and the courts are totally on the side of the woman. Often law enforcement will apologize to the male involved in a 911 call before telling them that their (LEO’s) hands are tied and the male must be arrested and booked. In a domestic situation, or civil divorce/child custody case, law enforcement and the courts act as women’s advocates.

    I don’t say this as someone who’s ever been arrested or divorced. I say this as someone who’s spent a lot of time in courthouses and interviewing people. I saw how getting involved with the wrong woman could potentially be life-destroying and I therefore saw to it that I never get involved with such a woman. I.e., a woman who possessed any of the behaviors or displayed any of the warning signs of a bitch or nag or unstable woman. As a young man I dated all the above. I went for looks and T & A. And in every one of those relationships, I — as an opinionated, temperamental, stubborn, and argumentative guy— was miserable and the relationship quickly devolved into drama and bitter fights and temporary break-ups. I never had a premarital relationship last longer than 1.5-2 years.

    So when it came to looking for a wife I was methodical in choosing the right one. I waited for one with all the right character traits. I found her. So now in my first and only marriage I have gone decades with only a few mild arguments (which were quickly resolved the same day). Involving with the wrong woman can be a soul-crushing hell. Being married to the right woman is a source of constant happiness and joy, heavenly.

    • Replies: @VinnyVette
    @ANON

    There stories are not "never heard because they are not news worthy" they are not heard because they would blow up the women as perpetual victims narrative! Same reason the MSM tries to deep six black on white crime!

    , @Bill P
    @ANON

    Did you have to investigate dv cases? Family law is really like a butcher shop, isn't it?

    Every young man should be taken to family court for an afternoon just to see how things can turn out.

  85. @Anonymous
    @Jack D

    Hey Jack, quick question. Remind me again how many Jewish financial execs were aware of Epstein, who still have their job. Should Leon Black and others have been shamed and driven from the industry?

    Trusted with privilege, indeed.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Your analogy is very weak sauce. If Epstein had been a lower middle management exec at any Wall St. firm (“Jewish” or not) he would have been out of a job at the first allegation of child molestation. A different set of rules apply to the rich and powerful (of any religion) – it has always been thus. This doesn’t make it right, but that’s the reality. Ask Joe Biden, assuming he can still even remember what he has done.

  86. @Colin Wright
    'Probably she was a psycho to her co-workers all along but psychopaths suck up to their superiors so that they are never found out. This time she showed her fangs.'

    Ah. So had her interlocutor been white, she would have been fired as well?

    Replies: @Jack D

    She was the one who chose to pull the race card. She chose poorly.

    • Replies: @Jane Plain
    @Jack D

    Sure of that?

    Maybe 911 asked her for a description.

    I do agree with your basic point, though. She seems like a real bunny-boiler.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Redman
    @Jack D

    True. But in the hierarchy of poor choices, it doesn't seem to rate very highly. For example, young Mr. Arbery's choice of attacking a man with a shotgun pointed right at him while stopping him for police questioning is the apotheosis.

    Having been in dozens of arguments in public places in Manhattan with all sorts of people (white, male, female, black, etc.), I'd have to admit I've lost my cool in more than a few. Under those circumstances, it's easy to say things without thinking in the heat of the battle so to speak. My own view: Life is a psychological war in NYC, and it's easy to get drawn into (in retrospect) stupid disputes because of the lack of civility or consideration of so many neurotics or just incredibly competitive, high strung people.

    As a defense lawyer, I defended one wealthy white men who got into a silly random argument with a black security guard and called him "n###er." On the flip side, I also represented a black building security guard who correctly kept a white man from going up to his apartment during a fire when his wife and child were there. The white man (who understandably lost his composure at being kept from his family) freaked out and called the guy "stupid n###er." My client immediately jumped over his desk and attacked the white man. Charged with misdemeanor assault, which I was eventually able to get dropped.

    While I don't condone the manner in which Ms. Cooper indeed played the race card, (1) Mr. Cooper was never in danger from any NYC cop (to say otherwise is absurd dishonesty); and (2) It's common for one in a heated argument to blurt the most obvious physical characteristic of the opponent as a taunt. I've been called faggot (I'm not) in several arguments with blacks; and I've seen more than one argument in which one of the adversaries was taunted as "bald." It's an atavistic human trait.

    All of this is to say that birdgate is a major mountain out of a molehill. The Monty Python crew would have understood.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSo0duY7-9s

    Replies: @Jane Plain

    , @Colin Wright
    @Jack D

    'She was the one who chose to pull the race card. She chose poorly.'

    Do you feel that global opprobrium plus being fired from her job is sufficient punishment, or do you feel further penalties would be appropriate?

  87. @Dave Pinsen
    @Twinkie

    Open your eyes wider, Twink.

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1265456033109073927?s=20

    Replies: @Change that Matters, @moshe, @Twinkie, @Anon, @Truth, @Joe Stalin

    There was one law broken from what i’ve seen, the woman did not leash her dog. I saw the man do nothing illegal, although being a sanctimonious little prick should be at times. I would have told him to go fuck himself, but he did a great job of staying within the rules of harmless white lady, busybodydum. Which seems the cause celebre of most of this site’s regular readership.

    Btw, once again, it just looked like more silly, paid kikemason high-school, racial agrievance theatre to me, but it gave you guys something to do today.

  88. @MLK
    I find this current assault on the old school advisement to 'When in doubt, call the cops," fascinating.

    Perhaps we've gotten ourselves so turned around by Identity nonsense we've forgotten the days when we had Peace, not Law Enforcement, Officers.

    We seem to have flipped to the extreme opposite of this cautionary tale:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kitty_Genovese

    The irony is that NYC has a well-trained, expensive army protecting its citizenry. Whatever people might imagine happening elsewhere, the idea that Harvard-educated, Audubon Society board member black or not was at all at risk of anything from cops showing up is absurd. He knew that, which is why he kept videoing and told her he wanted her to call 9/11.

    Ditto, by the way, for the lady with her dog at 8 AM. In the old days, we would have concluded what I have no doubt cops responding would have in this case, she was having a bad day.

    The cops that showed up -- any two cops that showed up, would have told him that she had leashed her dog and that they would remind her she needed to do so in the future or risk a citation.

    He would have then left, and the cops would have spent the next half an hour or so listening to her complain about how difficult a time she and fluffy were having, what with the virus lockdown and all -- "He's not getting enough exercise!" -- before sending her on her way -- "Okay, have a better day, Ma'am."

    Back before Do The Right Thing, BLM, and Wokeness and all that, we used to be able to recognize life imitating an episode of The Andy Griffith Show, enjoy it and call it a day.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @MLK, @dreydl smasher

    Wow, praise from Caesar!

  89. @anonymous
    Screw her. She admitted she knew the rules.

    It could be worse--I carry a knife and I will gladly kill someone's retarded, untrained, unleashed dog who jumps on me. And every single woman and liberal's dog is untrained.


    How many times have you heard that crap? "Oh, she's just friendly!" as a dog jumps on you without your consent. Get your dogs on a leash, losers. If you don't like leashing your dogs then move to rural Vermont and own your own property. My personal space in a public park is not part of your dog's territory.

    Replies: @Charon, @Morton's toes, @Alden

    I (almost) cannot go to the park without having a dog collide his nose with my legs at some point. And I commence my hiking at sunrise because I want to see coyotes, not dogs. Also I carry a knife.

    Perhaps dogs like me a hell of a lot more than they like you, but my estimate of needing to use that knife on a dog is about .01 times my estimate of needing to use that knife on a man.

  90. @Jack D
    @ScarletNumber

    Frankly, given the way she conducted herself, I would not want her working for my company. You don't have a "right" to a job in America. It was her privilege to represent Franklin Templeton before the world and she could no longer be trusted with that privilege. Probably she was a psycho to her co-workers all along but psychopaths suck up to their superiors so that they are never found out. This time she showed her fangs.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Dave Pinsen, @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @NOTA

    “Frankly, given the way she conducted herself, I would not want her working for my company…. Probably she was a psycho to her co-workers all along”

    Yup, her employer wanted her gone for a long time now but feared a lawsuit, so this ‘racist’ incident gave them an excuse to pull the trigger.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen


    Yup, her employer wanted her gone for a long time now but feared a lawsuit, so this ‘racist’ incident gave them an excuse to pull the trigger.
     
    The pandemic is also being used as an excuse to offload previously untouchable deadweights.
  91. @Twinkie
    @Dave Pinsen


    Open your eyes wider, Twink.
     
    I will when you can see below your belly.

    Only race-obsessed morons wouldn’t see from the video that she is the one who advanced on him and started to act on the phone with the police like she was being assaulted. Geez. The dog needs exercise? Take it for a walk or a run on a leash instead of breaking park rules and choking her dog by stringing it up.

    And he didn’t ruin her - she did that all by herself by calling the police and trying to frame him for a crime. Did he “provoke” her into breaking the park rules and disturbing the bird sanctuary?

    And I love the “This AFRICAN-AMERICAN man is threatening me!” part. Really scared people don’t yell PC-compliant descriptive like that. They scream “HELP! A man is threatening me!” or perhaps “This black guy is after me!” People under stress often lose adjectives and adverbs, forget PC-compliant ones.

    For once, a white person is actually the bad one. Let it go.

    Replies: @Coag, @peterike, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I would only add that I wouldn’t want someone who doesn’t realize…

    1) the only thing they control is their reaction

    and

    2) their best move in this situation is walking away

    …managing $10k, much less $100 million.

  92. @Anon
    @Dave Pinsen

    Twinkie’s right, her use of the term African-American man, and her emphasis and repeated use of that term, was her fatal error.

    She’s just a overly confident, entitled, U of Chicago MBA, AWFL bitch who thinks she’s all that because she has some high-powered job as a money-shifter. This type abounds in NYC, DC, Boston, et al.

    Personally I’m super reluctant to get into any squabble with a stranger over any issue, but especially with an AWFL because I know how petty and vindictive they can be. That is a losing battle for someone like me if the cops are called (“This man was acting aggressively and I felt threatened...”). Undoubtedly she’s pulled variations of this shit before and been successful with these AWFL tactics. But this time the entitled AWFL bitch crap didn’t work against a successful Harvard-educated, gay, birdwatching-nerd black man.

    I see this whole incident as less of a race issue and more of an AWFL bitch getting her comeuppance. Having encountered this type before, a lot, I’m feeling a little pep-in-my-step schadenfreude over it.

    Having said all that, I would feel awful if someone I got into a squabble or fight with ended up in trouble or lost their job or dog over it. Even if they were nasty and deserved it. I would want someone to learn their lesson, be chastened, but in no way hurt. If I were Christian Cooper I would feel horrible about what happened to Amy Cooper and would try to reach out to her and reconcile and maybe even help her if possible. That would be the Christian thing to do (no pun intended).

    Replies: @Jack D, @JSQ

    I see this whole incident as less of a race issue and more of an AWFL bitch getting her comeuppance.

    You’re right but the REASON she got her comeuppance was because of race and not because of what she did. Had birdwatcher man been white, this would have never blown up at all. Then again, she was the one that pulled the race card, so it is just more well deserved comeuppance. “An African-American man is threatening my life” (Implictly, “Hurry, police come quickly, it’s an emergency”) (when nothing of the sort was going on) meant that she was pulling the nuclear option and the bomb blew up in her face.

    Ironically, the police showed up much later if at all – when seconds count the police are minutes away.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    Ironically, the police showed up much later if at all – when seconds count the police are minutes away.
     
    If you told them you were about to shoot up a school full of black children, they’d show up very quickly.

    Replies: @Truth

    , @Spangel
    @Jack D

    Of course they showed up much later. Have you ever tried calling the cops in nyc?

  93. Well Steve you pretty much said it yourself. There is a social hierarchy for the victims groups; blacks at the top, whites at the bottom , women at the top men at the bottom etc… within those hierarchies you have hierarchies; black women rank higher than black men “vagina pass”, but black men rank higher than white women…
    And they are interchangable depending on who is stepping on who’s toes at any giving moment. It’s macro and micro, and the system is fluid. So a white Becky out ranks a white man, but said same Becky is out ranked by a black man. An interesting exercise might be to construct a ladder diagram of who out ranks who of the never ending subdivisions of social justice victims groups. Now throw LBGTXYZPDQ into the mix! Not an effort for the faint hearted!

  94. Hey I have a great question here; seeing as how she was unwuestionably breaking the law, what if he had called another armed friend over, pulled out his weapon (and pointed it at the ground) and attempted a citizen’s arrest?

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @Truth

    If by "great question" you mean a really fucking dumb one, sure.

    Replies: @Truth

  95. @ScarletNumber
    @Mister.Baseball


    And I feel bad for box-wine aunt for losing her job, and dog, because of the mob.
     
    I don't know why companies feel they have to give in to the mob. She didn't identify her company in the video and wasn't wearing anything that identified her company. So why is it the company's business?

    Replies: @Jack D, @Dave Pinsen, @Known Fact

    We don’t know if she’s obnoxious at work too, but just from a PR standpoint I would have announced that of course her actions were repellant and she was being put on indefinite leave to undergo counseling. Then you make a long-term decision to dump her if needed when things quiet down. If she’s truly mentally defective she could cook up a disability suit.

    If you fired every neurotic in NYC, you’d have a ghost town. Oh wait …

    • Troll: ScarletNumber
  96. @peterike
    @Twinkie


    And I love the “This AFRICAN-AMERICAN man is threatening me!” part. Really scared people don’t yell PC-compliant descriptive like that.
     
    I can only assume from this comment that you have never actually met a Liberal white woman. Their tongues would burst into flame in their mouths before they uttered "black" or anything other than "African-American." They are absolutely conditioned to speak that way, and no level of fear will change it.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @VinnyVette

    But why would they fear those whom they feel nothing but love and compassion for? Is batshit crazy enough to explain their cognitive dissonance?

  97. @Charlotte Allen
    This is where I get off the Steve train.

    I live in Washington DC and for the past 18 years in a neighborhood that is half gentrified and half 100 percent black housing projects. One of the things you quickly learn for your own safety on the sidewalks and on the Metro is how to distinguish ordinary black men minding their business (which is most of them) from thugs. If you can't do that, you're a hysterical fool like Amy Cooper who couldn't tell the difference in broad daylight and thus shouldn't be living in a city. The thugs are uniformly young (teens to 25 or so), loud, usually traveling in groups, and of distinctly gangsta appearance: locs, tattoos, pant waists down below the boxer shorts, in the summer often no shirt. Those black males are to be avoided at all costs--which is something that respectable black people do. If she had run screaming for the police from one or more (usually more) of that type, and he had turned out to be a Rhodes scholar, that would have been a "false positive."

    I'm glad that Franklin Templeton fired her. My husband and I have some of our savings in Franklin Templeton, and I don't want my money managed by a 42-year-old single woman in NYC who: 1) calls herself a "dog mom" and the dogs she owns her "babies"; 2) wears a coronavirus mask while walking on a virtually unpopulated trail in the early morning; 3) has so little social awareness that she can't tell the difference between a thug and some middle-aged black guy in a T-shirt; 4) disregards the leash law on an environmentally fragile trail because "fur baby" is so precious; 5) obviously calls the police without provocation while remembering to be oh-so-politically correct (she says "African-American"? C'mon!); and 6) gets so emotionally wrought up that she tortures the dog in the process (I could scarcely watch that prolonged strangling on the video as she repeatedly dragged the choking animal by its collar).

    Sorry, but I feel zero sympathy for this woman. She needs to get out of money management.

    Replies: @SFG, @VinnyVette, @Testing12, @Jane Plain, @Jane Plain, @Kaz, @Dave Pinsen

    What she needs is a rubber room, a straight jacket and a bottle of thorazine! Nice rant!

  98. @Mister.Baseball
    The whole incident is something stupid between two unpleasant people. Her dog should've been on its leash and she is a selfish box wine aunt. Yet, it doesn't just change that the guy threatened her, and has a history of harassing dog walkers using the same, "you're not gonna to like what I'm gonna do" line. So it's something this guy does in his spare time (including carrying dog treats in his pocket to interfere with dog owners.)
    He's a prick, and under any other circumstance [and any other skin color] it would be a story of a busybody running into the wrong, annoying box-wine aunt type who calls the cops over everything-- maybe justified this time considering that line and him continuing to go after her dog despite warning him not to touch the dog.

    That it is major news is embarrassing. And I feel bad for box-wine aunt for losing her job, and dog, because of the mob.

    ...the SJW sleeper cells have been activated for the election and the media is really trying to drum up some summer Travyon/Baltimore 2.0 over every incident, no matter how serious.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @Anonymous, @duncsbaby, @Thea, @Erik L, @Mike_from_SGV

    I don’t see him as a prick. He says he is trying to protect the bird habitat. She was clearly doing something wrong and not just technically wrong- it would damage the bird habitat. He says he has found people put their dogs back on leash when he starts giving them treats. A pretty clever solution.

    I also don’t think this was a type I error (or was it type II? We always said “false positive” and “false negative”); She was clearly threatening him with the cops with an accusation she knew to be false. As a liberal white woman, she certainly must know the possible consequences of that and that it should frighten him and that is why she did it.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Erik L


    A pretty clever solution.
     
    Setting aside the race and gender angles his strategy is an extremely effective form of passive-aggressive meatspace trolling.

    He's basically saying, "I can instantly make your dog like me better with no effort."

    That's a dagger to the heart of the AWFL, "dog mommy and fur baby" identity and all the struggle sessions therein.

    Especially one that created an Instagram for her rescued cocker spaniel that had 6000+ posts.

  99. @Bill Jones
    @Jack D

    Never mind the racism, where is the outrage at the appalling sexism of her reporting a "man"?

    Replies: @Known Fact

    Nor did she care enough to even confirm his desired personal pronouns

  100. Anon[274] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie
    @Coag


    You can only win with Al Sharpton-style tribalism.
     
    You want whites to be like blacks? Has Al Sharpton-style tribalism worked out for anyone but Al Sharpton? How are ordinary black people doing?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Coag, @Anon, @Whiskey

    You want whites to be like blacks? Has Al Sharpton-style tribalism worked out for anyone but Al Sharpton? How are ordinary black people doing?

    False choice.

    Tribalism 100% relies on the ability of people to effectively execute it. Merely stating its existence or will toward it is fairly meaningless.

    The broader Black group effectively lacks that ability for a variety of reasons and across a variety of measurements to include:

    the ability to interpersonally cooperate over long stretches and against self-interest,
    the ability to successfully raise a nuclear family and keep it together
    low crime rates within the group
    high in-group trust
    high rates of civic participation
    etc.

    This is why its politically safe to offer Blacks tribalism, and even to construct some superficial legs of it for them: they lack the innate ability to finish its construction and effectively maintain it.

    Whites broadly speaking, and on the other hand, do not lack the ability to execute on it and this is why it is prohibited to them.

    Jews are the only group truly allowed unrestricted tribalism because they control enough strings to be in charge.

    If tribalism “didn’t work out”, then it wouldn’t be the primary vehicle for Jews.

    The truth is that individualism, outside of necessarily government free frontier societies, is a Jewish political invention and poison pill meant for shit-tier-IQ Whites to steer them away from something effective (tribalism). It is a competition reduction tool for Jews.

    Anyone without a politically effective tribe has the social and political status of a slave because they have no political power. Full stop.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Anon


    Whites broadly speaking, and on the other hand, do not lack the ability to execute on it and this is why it is prohibited to them.

    Jews are the only group truly allowed unrestricted tribalism because they control enough strings to be in charge.
     
    Tribalism is a lot easier when you are 2% of a population and have a strong sense of religious and cultural alienation. A tribe is not what you think it is. It requires a strong social cohesion that is virtually impossible with 200 million people.

    Replies: @Coag

    , @Rob McX
    @Anon

    Great comment. It is indeed safe to allow blacks to be tribal. It makes them more hostile to whites, but that's the whole point of giving power to people like Sharpton and Jackson. Such racial awareness that exists among them is, for the most part, in the form of resentment towards whites. If blacks truly had the ability to think in terms of what's good for themselves, they'd see that bringing millions of other non-whites into America would be a disaster for them in the long run. If they got as angry about immigration as they are about everything else, they would indeed be dangerous to the ruling class.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

  101. @Charlotte Allen
    This is where I get off the Steve train.

    I live in Washington DC and for the past 18 years in a neighborhood that is half gentrified and half 100 percent black housing projects. One of the things you quickly learn for your own safety on the sidewalks and on the Metro is how to distinguish ordinary black men minding their business (which is most of them) from thugs. If you can't do that, you're a hysterical fool like Amy Cooper who couldn't tell the difference in broad daylight and thus shouldn't be living in a city. The thugs are uniformly young (teens to 25 or so), loud, usually traveling in groups, and of distinctly gangsta appearance: locs, tattoos, pant waists down below the boxer shorts, in the summer often no shirt. Those black males are to be avoided at all costs--which is something that respectable black people do. If she had run screaming for the police from one or more (usually more) of that type, and he had turned out to be a Rhodes scholar, that would have been a "false positive."

    I'm glad that Franklin Templeton fired her. My husband and I have some of our savings in Franklin Templeton, and I don't want my money managed by a 42-year-old single woman in NYC who: 1) calls herself a "dog mom" and the dogs she owns her "babies"; 2) wears a coronavirus mask while walking on a virtually unpopulated trail in the early morning; 3) has so little social awareness that she can't tell the difference between a thug and some middle-aged black guy in a T-shirt; 4) disregards the leash law on an environmentally fragile trail because "fur baby" is so precious; 5) obviously calls the police without provocation while remembering to be oh-so-politically correct (she says "African-American"? C'mon!); and 6) gets so emotionally wrought up that she tortures the dog in the process (I could scarcely watch that prolonged strangling on the video as she repeatedly dragged the choking animal by its collar).

    Sorry, but I feel zero sympathy for this woman. She needs to get out of money management.

    Replies: @SFG, @VinnyVette, @Testing12, @Jane Plain, @Jane Plain, @Kaz, @Dave Pinsen

    Excellent list. But many of us got off the train when the incessant COVID-hysteria started.

    Regarding fur babies – folks wonder where white fertility went? So much parental instinct of upper middle class whites these days is funneled toward canines. It’s disgusting and out of control. I know married couples with no kids who cook dinner every night for their stupid dogs. Are american whites the only people in the world who put dogs on such a pedestal?

    • Replies: @Charlotte Allen
    @Testing12

    The upper middle class's current weird obsession with dogs is nauseating. Cook for your dog? Bake cookies for your dog? Knit sweaters for your dog? Take your dog to a dog hairdresser and dog nail salon? Buy a birthday present for your dog's birthday? People actually do this stuff! (Check out the pet food aisle at your local supermarket: gourmet burgers, etc.) The worst offenders are single women. They are all over the place with their rambunctious canines in my neighborhood. They won't get married and have kids (and no one wants to marry the older ones), for fear of losing their "independence", but they happily chain themselves to a messy, highly emotionally dependent animal that has a nervous breakdown when left alone for a few days while the owner takes a vacation. I'd never get a dog unless I had kids. Dogs are good for teaching kids responsibility and they like to horse around, which kids love.

    Replies: @Znzn, @Znzn, @SunBakedSuburb, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Alden, @anon, @slumber_j, @ScarletNumber

  102. @Jack D
    @Anon


    I see this whole incident as less of a race issue and more of an AWFL bitch getting her comeuppance.
     
    You're right but the REASON she got her comeuppance was because of race and not because of what she did. Had birdwatcher man been white, this would have never blown up at all. Then again, she was the one that pulled the race card, so it is just more well deserved comeuppance. "An African-American man is threatening my life" (Implictly, "Hurry, police come quickly, it's an emergency") (when nothing of the sort was going on) meant that she was pulling the nuclear option and the bomb blew up in her face.

    Ironically, the police showed up much later if at all - when seconds count the police are minutes away.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Spangel

    Ironically, the police showed up much later if at all – when seconds count the police are minutes away.

    If you told them you were about to shoot up a school full of black children, they’d show up very quickly.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Twinkie

    Well now, if you told them you were going to shoot up Stuvysant High School, I'm assuming the pigs would make haste as well. We wouldn't want to lose our next generation of Chinese, Bio Lab Grad Assistants.

  103. @Jack D
    @Colin Wright

    She was the one who chose to pull the race card. She chose poorly.

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @Redman, @Colin Wright

    Sure of that?

    Maybe 911 asked her for a description.

    I do agree with your basic point, though. She seems like a real bunny-boiler.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Jane Plain

    Even before she called 911, she told Cooper ""I'm going to tell [the police] there's an African-American man threatening my life." So no, she had planned her use of the race card in advance.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Jane Plain, @Redman

  104. @Charlotte Allen
    This is where I get off the Steve train.

    I live in Washington DC and for the past 18 years in a neighborhood that is half gentrified and half 100 percent black housing projects. One of the things you quickly learn for your own safety on the sidewalks and on the Metro is how to distinguish ordinary black men minding their business (which is most of them) from thugs. If you can't do that, you're a hysterical fool like Amy Cooper who couldn't tell the difference in broad daylight and thus shouldn't be living in a city. The thugs are uniformly young (teens to 25 or so), loud, usually traveling in groups, and of distinctly gangsta appearance: locs, tattoos, pant waists down below the boxer shorts, in the summer often no shirt. Those black males are to be avoided at all costs--which is something that respectable black people do. If she had run screaming for the police from one or more (usually more) of that type, and he had turned out to be a Rhodes scholar, that would have been a "false positive."

    I'm glad that Franklin Templeton fired her. My husband and I have some of our savings in Franklin Templeton, and I don't want my money managed by a 42-year-old single woman in NYC who: 1) calls herself a "dog mom" and the dogs she owns her "babies"; 2) wears a coronavirus mask while walking on a virtually unpopulated trail in the early morning; 3) has so little social awareness that she can't tell the difference between a thug and some middle-aged black guy in a T-shirt; 4) disregards the leash law on an environmentally fragile trail because "fur baby" is so precious; 5) obviously calls the police without provocation while remembering to be oh-so-politically correct (she says "African-American"? C'mon!); and 6) gets so emotionally wrought up that she tortures the dog in the process (I could scarcely watch that prolonged strangling on the video as she repeatedly dragged the choking animal by its collar).

    Sorry, but I feel zero sympathy for this woman. She needs to get out of money management.

    Replies: @SFG, @VinnyVette, @Testing12, @Jane Plain, @Jane Plain, @Kaz, @Dave Pinsen

    Do you agree with the virtual lynching, Charlotte?

    • Replies: @Charlotte Allen
    @Jane Plain

    Lynching sounds too good for that girl. She's a blight on the female sex and a threat to animals.

    Replies: @Jane Plain

  105. @Dave Pinsen
    @Twinkie

    Open your eyes wider, Twink.

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1265456033109073927?s=20

    Replies: @Change that Matters, @moshe, @Twinkie, @Anon, @Truth, @Joe Stalin

    “I pull out the dog treats I carry for just such intransigence.”

    In other words, he knows animal behavior. He came to show dominance over the ‘dog people.’ He knows EXACTLY what he is doing and is not some innocent in the park. He came to engage and prevail in the social interaction HE PREPARED FOR. And unfortunately, the lady did not have the presence of mine to turn on her cell phone camera so we could see what she saw in terms of body language. A muscular man trying to lure her animal from her.

    • Agree: botazefa
    • Replies: @Redman
    @Joe Stalin

    I'm not a dog owner, but I know many. And a lot of them are very cautious about who they let touch their dogs. Dog stealing, for instance, is a big thing in NYC. To Ms. Cooper, Mr. Cooper's actions may have seemed to overstep reasonable personal boundaries; luring the woman's dog with treats could have appeared unusual and threatening.

    IMO-if she hadn't manhandled the dog (which to me was quite comical actually) she would have had a lot more sympathy from the thousands of dog lovers here.

    , @Dr. Krieger
    @Joe Stalin

    Absolutely. How many white women that didn't call the cops when confronted by a black male, are dead now?
    Anybody taking the side of the black man in this disgusts me.
    Amy Cooper is being lynched because she is white. Period. Full stop.
    You either stick up for whites or you're shilling for Jews and their black henchmen. It's just that simple.

    Replies: @Truth, @notsaying

  106. @Jack D
    @Anon


    I see this whole incident as less of a race issue and more of an AWFL bitch getting her comeuppance.
     
    You're right but the REASON she got her comeuppance was because of race and not because of what she did. Had birdwatcher man been white, this would have never blown up at all. Then again, she was the one that pulled the race card, so it is just more well deserved comeuppance. "An African-American man is threatening my life" (Implictly, "Hurry, police come quickly, it's an emergency") (when nothing of the sort was going on) meant that she was pulling the nuclear option and the bomb blew up in her face.

    Ironically, the police showed up much later if at all - when seconds count the police are minutes away.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Spangel

    Of course they showed up much later. Have you ever tried calling the cops in nyc?

  107. res says:
    @Anonymous
    This whole NYT led shitstorm has just got me thinking.

    I recall, a few weeks ago, that a female letter carrier somewhere in the Midwest was gunned downed and horrifically murdered by an angry irate rabidly furious - as is their wont - young black man simply because she *simply did not have* the gubbmint gibs he was expecting and felt entitled to in her mailbag BECAUSE a Post Office embargo and refusal to deliver order was placed on his residence - a FACT of which he was abundantly aware - due to the FACT of his vicious uncontrolled dogs previously attacking letter carriers.

    This incident, infinitely more heinous, vicious and serious - think of the terror of the post woman's last moments on earth - has strangely garnered very very little media attention. You can rest assured that the BBC has ignored it.

    Replies: @Paul Jolliffe, @res

    That’s a fascinating example. If you go to CNN you see a photo of a black woman from a related story but no mention of the victim’s race in the article and “police haven’t identified who’s responsible.”
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/28/us/indiana-postal-worker-shot-killed-trnd/index.html

    But then you go to the Daily Mail (which seems to be the goto source these days for info on events like this) and see the reality with pictures.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8274671/Man-21-shot-postal-worker-45-dead-refused-deliver-mail-dog.html

    Paul Kersey covers that murder here:
    https://www.unz.com/sbpdl/her-name-is-angela-summers-white-u-s-postal-employee-murdered-by-black-male-as-she-tried-to-deliver-him-his-trump-bucks-coronavirus-stimulus-checks/

  108. @Twinkie
    @Dave Pinsen


    But Christian Cooper also said things have already gone too far. During a pandemic, he added, we all need to be kinder to one another — and respect the rules.

    “I’m not interested in repercussions,” he said. “It’s unfortunate what happened. There was definitely a lapse in judgment. But she put the dog on the leash, and I don’t need to see anything else happen to her.”
     
    He appears to be a better human being than a woman who broke rules and then tried to frame him with a crime all the while consuming public (law enforcement) resources needlessly.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Redman, @res, @jsm, @Anonymous

    I’m not sure about that, but can we at least agree both behaved badly in that situation?

    And one has been metaphorically lynched for it while the other is being lauded.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @res


    And one has been metaphorically lynched for it
     
    She lynched her own dog, not so metaphorically.

    Replies: @res

  109. @Mr McKenna
    @dreydl smasher

    https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/007/445/pancake_bunny.jpg

    Replies: @Stebbing Heuer, @Ganderson, @res, @donut

  110. @anonymous
    Screw her. She admitted she knew the rules.

    It could be worse--I carry a knife and I will gladly kill someone's retarded, untrained, unleashed dog who jumps on me. And every single woman and liberal's dog is untrained.


    How many times have you heard that crap? "Oh, she's just friendly!" as a dog jumps on you without your consent. Get your dogs on a leash, losers. If you don't like leashing your dogs then move to rural Vermont and own your own property. My personal space in a public park is not part of your dog's territory.

    Replies: @Charon, @Morton's toes, @Alden

    I have nothing but contempt for most dog owners b cause their dogs and untrained and completely control the owners. But her dog didn’t approach the. man. He carries dog treats and frequents the park. He throws the treats to dogs hoping the dog will come to him and he can confront the dog owner.

    Amy Cooper is now being investigated by the Nee York Human Rights Commission. The reason the liberals are making such a fuss about this is that they have long wanted to make it a crime to call the police on a black person unless the black person actually is committing a felony.

    Here’s a common situation. White woman on her way home from work after her 10 or 11 pm shift ends goes into 7/11 to pick up something. She notices 3 black men sitting in a car in a dark spot in the parking lot. She dallies inside the store She sees they are still sitting there. There’s also a bus stop on that corner.

    She’s correct in assuming that the 3 black men are waiting to see a lone person getting off the bus and walking home so they can rob him or her. Or, waiting for someone driving they can follow home and rob.

    Correct police procedure if they see a parked car after dark with 1 or more men just to sitting there is to ask them what they’re doing and for ID. Often the men have warrants out and criminal records.

    And robbers and rapists do frequent parks. My kids were out playing in Land’s End the day David Carpenter ( White serial killer) accosted and killed one of his victims in Lands End National Park about 2 blocks from our house. All his victims were young women in state and national parks

    There was another serial killer who grabbed women walking on the sidewalk that ran along Golden Gate Park. There was tall thick shrubbery and he just stepped out behind them and grabbed them.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Alden


    The reason the liberals are making such a fuss about this is that they have long wanted to make it a crime to call the police on a black person unless the black person actually is committing a felony.
     
    LMAO!

    Well, Duh!
  111. @ANON
    @Bill P

    Good comment. I agree. As a former investigator I was often shocked by the crap some guys have to go through— seemingly unjust stuff— and how stoically many of them handled it. A lot of them black and Hispanic. These are the 95% who try to do the right thing even when dealt BS from law enforcement and the courts. Their stories are never heard because they’re not newsworthy. Reading trending stories on social media or MSM or featured by Paul Kersey would give you a very distorted view of how things actually are. It would be good if people went to their local courthouse and perused the docket and sat in on some court cases.

    There are a lot of horrible women out there and if you happen to be the man who involves with them you will have a rollercoaster life at best and most likely will be emotionally, mentally, and physically damaged if not destroyed. And law enforcement and the courts are totally on the side of the woman. Often law enforcement will apologize to the male involved in a 911 call before telling them that their (LEO’s) hands are tied and the male must be arrested and booked. In a domestic situation, or civil divorce/child custody case, law enforcement and the courts act as women’s advocates.

    I don’t say this as someone who’s ever been arrested or divorced. I say this as someone who’s spent a lot of time in courthouses and interviewing people. I saw how getting involved with the wrong woman could potentially be life-destroying and I therefore saw to it that I never get involved with such a woman. I.e., a woman who possessed any of the behaviors or displayed any of the warning signs of a bitch or nag or unstable woman. As a young man I dated all the above. I went for looks and T & A. And in every one of those relationships, I — as an opinionated, temperamental, stubborn, and argumentative guy— was miserable and the relationship quickly devolved into drama and bitter fights and temporary break-ups. I never had a premarital relationship last longer than 1.5-2 years.

    So when it came to looking for a wife I was methodical in choosing the right one. I waited for one with all the right character traits. I found her. So now in my first and only marriage I have gone decades with only a few mild arguments (which were quickly resolved the same day). Involving with the wrong woman can be a soul-crushing hell. Being married to the right woman is a source of constant happiness and joy, heavenly.

    Replies: @VinnyVette, @Bill P

    There stories are not “never heard because they are not news worthy” they are not heard because they would blow up the women as perpetual victims narrative! Same reason the MSM tries to deep six black on white crime!

  112. @Charlotte Allen
    This is where I get off the Steve train.

    I live in Washington DC and for the past 18 years in a neighborhood that is half gentrified and half 100 percent black housing projects. One of the things you quickly learn for your own safety on the sidewalks and on the Metro is how to distinguish ordinary black men minding their business (which is most of them) from thugs. If you can't do that, you're a hysterical fool like Amy Cooper who couldn't tell the difference in broad daylight and thus shouldn't be living in a city. The thugs are uniformly young (teens to 25 or so), loud, usually traveling in groups, and of distinctly gangsta appearance: locs, tattoos, pant waists down below the boxer shorts, in the summer often no shirt. Those black males are to be avoided at all costs--which is something that respectable black people do. If she had run screaming for the police from one or more (usually more) of that type, and he had turned out to be a Rhodes scholar, that would have been a "false positive."

    I'm glad that Franklin Templeton fired her. My husband and I have some of our savings in Franklin Templeton, and I don't want my money managed by a 42-year-old single woman in NYC who: 1) calls herself a "dog mom" and the dogs she owns her "babies"; 2) wears a coronavirus mask while walking on a virtually unpopulated trail in the early morning; 3) has so little social awareness that she can't tell the difference between a thug and some middle-aged black guy in a T-shirt; 4) disregards the leash law on an environmentally fragile trail because "fur baby" is so precious; 5) obviously calls the police without provocation while remembering to be oh-so-politically correct (she says "African-American"? C'mon!); and 6) gets so emotionally wrought up that she tortures the dog in the process (I could scarcely watch that prolonged strangling on the video as she repeatedly dragged the choking animal by its collar).

    Sorry, but I feel zero sympathy for this woman. She needs to get out of money management.

    Replies: @SFG, @VinnyVette, @Testing12, @Jane Plain, @Jane Plain, @Kaz, @Dave Pinsen

    PS – Further, I think you’re allowing your dislike of her type of white woman to interfere with your judgement on the bigger picture, which will result in a continual criminalization of any disagreement shown by any white person with any form of black misbehavior.

    He was right about the leash, but his manner was provocative. Did you hear the video? That teasing voice? He was clearly egging her on. He was not frightened of the police, in fact, he urged her to call them.

    And he wasn’t some skinny, nerdy, bird-watcher. Other photos of Christian Cooper show a massively muscular man. That comment, “I’m going to do something you’re not going to like” turned out to be a nothingburger (he reached into his pocket and pulled out a dog treat), but how do you explain that?

    You just don’t like her cultural type, so let her go to the guillotine. Fine, but if you should ever happen to be turned into a Karen, don’t come to me to stick up for you.

  113. @Mr McKenna
    This woman probably shouldn't have called the cops on this guy.

    https://heavy.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/christian-cooper-1.jpg

    This woman probably should have called the cops on this guy.

    https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2020/05/sexual-assault-1.jpg

    https://nypost.com/2020/05/26/man-charged-in-nyc-rape-was-freed-in-two-prior-assault-cases/

    Replies: @jtgw, @Nachum

    How many straight black dudes go to the park to watch birds? Someone on Twitter noted that this makes a lot more sense if Christian Cooper is gay.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @jtgw

    That bramble Area is a known gay sex with strangers hook up spot because it has a lot of bushes Has been for decades. James Baldwin even wrote about it in the 1950s.

    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    @jtgw


    How many straight black dudes go to the park to watch birds? Someone on Twitter noted that this makes a lot more sense if Christian Cooper is gay.
     
    He is.

    This is about the only MSM allusion to it, 80% of the way into this article:

    https://nypost.com/2020/05/26/christian-cooper-recounts-amy-cooper-incident-before-video-footage/

    He's serious enough about birdwatching that he's on the local Audobon Society board.

    However, it is a super convenient cover story for cruising Central Park, or any park, anywhere.

    Just add binoculars, a guidebook, and a bottle of water for massive plausible deniability.
  114. @Bill P
    Like the issue of police shootings, women using police to bully men is not necessarily a racial phenomenon. Before black lives matter, police were shooting lots of people, black and white, in questionable circumstances. However, this being 21st century America, race needs to be injected into the discussion before it becomes "serious."

    The truth is that the people most likely to call the police on black men are probably black women. I've seen black women shamelessly threaten black men with the police merely for having the temerity to stand up for themselves in their own homes. However, this is by no means a purely black phenomenon. White women do it all the time as well.

    "Believe all women" attitudes, pervasive due to feminism, lead directly to this behavior. There are countless men who have been jailed merely on the say so of some lying woman like Ms. Cooper. Mostly this gets zero attention, and the true victims, mostly white men, get zero sympathy. Fortunately, good cops (most of them), are well aware of this problem and try to cajole the truth out of women before doing anything drastic.

    It isn't ideal that blacks get to own this issue, but I'll take it as better than nothing. As I wrote in a previous thread's comment, something similar happened to me less than a week ago. I was able to prevent the woman from calling the cops, but only because it was not the first time this has happened to me and I knew how to neutralize her threat. In fact, I can't count all the times I've had women threaten me with authorities, almost always because I called them out on their own bad behavior. That seems to be what provokes them the most.

    If that dog lady lied in her police call, she should do jail time. Every woman who makes a false police report should, at the very least, be booked for the crime. Sure, the jails would be overflowing for a while, but eventually they would learn their lesson and the culture would change for the better.

    I don't believe that lies are the same as type I errors. A lie is not an error. There's a big distinction there. This conflation of the two is feminist sleight of hand. Maybe the racial issue is also contributing to muddled thinking here, but the underlying issue is female abuse of authority, and it has been a problem in the US for decades.

    Ironically, it is black women who may stand to lose the most power if there is a cultural change in this regard. I've spent time in family court, and near the courtrooms there's a little window where guys who got in trouble over domestic disputes line up to check in. I remember taking a good look at that line, relieved I wasn't in it (I was lucky -- it wasn't for lack of effort on my ex's part), and noticing how many black guys were there. I'm sure there were plenty of guilty men in that line, but I grew up around a lot of blacks and saw how vindictive their women can be, so I'm equally sure that there were quite a few totally innocent men unfairly dragged through that process because some angry woman picked up the phone, called the cops and lied through her teeth.

    Replies: @ANON, @Alden, @Jane Plain, @anon, @Alden, @Marty

    What do you do, accost strangers in public and scold them for going through a door in front of you? Are the women you call out for their misbehavior neighbors relatives someone you live with or strangers you harass in public?

    • Replies: @Jane Plain
    @Alden

    "In fact, I can’t count all the times I’ve had women threaten me with authorities, almost always because I called them out on their own bad behavior. That seems to be what provokes them the most."

    Bill P gets around.

  115. @jtgw
    @Mr McKenna

    How many straight black dudes go to the park to watch birds? Someone on Twitter noted that this makes a lot more sense if Christian Cooper is gay.

    Replies: @Alden, @The Wild Geese Howard

    That bramble Area is a known gay sex with strangers hook up spot because it has a lot of bushes Has been for decades. James Baldwin even wrote about it in the 1950s.

  116. The ruling class worldview, informed by Professors of African American Studies, seems to be that cops are champing at the bit to kill black men – and now to have their lives ruined for doing so – for no particular reason whatsoever. Well, no reason besides racism. The black men in these cases also suffer from the circumstance of just having turned their lives around, once and for all leaving any past bad behavior behind them making that behavior wholly without moment to the current discussion of cops’ racism and bloodlust. It’s just the alchemy of cops and black men that produces black men (and perhaps the irrelevancy of dead cops). Interestingly, this racist bloodlust also explains the motivations of non-white cops and even black cops, who become “blue” and are no longer “black.”

    So when Karen either threatens to call the police or calls the police she is threatening to have the object of the call murdered.

    On the other hand, not calling the cops to report black men for racist reasons may end in Karen’s premature death, but in that case Karen will be a sort of martyr – and, I tell you most importantly – no one will posthumously proclaim Karen to be a racist.

  117. @Morris Applebaum IV
    @Dave Pinsen

    It was an epic meltdown, but there were very understandable reasons that, unfortunately, the mainstream media refuses to report. At worst she should have been forced to attend a humiliating diversity training course.

    There's got to be someone reading this blog who has an investment account with Franklin Templeton. They need to lose at least some business for this unjust firing.

    Replies: @William Badwhite

    There’s got to be someone reading this blog who has an investment account with Franklin Templeton. They need to lose at least some business for this unjust firing.

    Franklin has been a poorly managed pile of junk for quite awhile. Their stock is down about 60% over the past five years. They’ve managed an astounding number of consecutive quarters of net outflows (when more money is redeemed from their funds than is invested), something like 20+.

    They’re already facing industry headwinds in that fewer and fewer investors are willing to invest in actively managed funds (as opposed to passive [i.e. index] funds), then factor in their lazy, incompetent, and nepotistic management (the current Chairman is the son of the past Chairman, the CEO is his sister and daughter of the prior Chairman) and you get a real mess of a company.

    Example of recent management brilliance: They decided to buy Legg Mason in mid-February. The deal included a massive break-up fee (in excess of $500mm). Naturally Covid hit not long after and Legg’s assets under management plummeted, but Franklin is still on the hook for the acquisition.

    https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/BEN

    Click on “5Y” above the chart.

    • Replies: @the one they call Desanex
    @William Badwhite


    They decided to buy Legg Mason ...
     
    Wood Walker?

    “My dog is a Doberman.”
    “Pincher?”
  118. And we still need a better mnemonic name than Type I/Type II.

    Can’t we just use ‘false positive’ and ‘false negative’?

  119. @Erik L
    @Mister.Baseball

    I don't see him as a prick. He says he is trying to protect the bird habitat. She was clearly doing something wrong and not just technically wrong- it would damage the bird habitat. He says he has found people put their dogs back on leash when he starts giving them treats. A pretty clever solution.

    I also don't think this was a type I error (or was it type II? We always said "false positive" and "false negative"); She was clearly threatening him with the cops with an accusation she knew to be false. As a liberal white woman, she certainly must know the possible consequences of that and that it should frighten him and that is why she did it.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    A pretty clever solution.

    Setting aside the race and gender angles his strategy is an extremely effective form of passive-aggressive meatspace trolling.

    He’s basically saying, “I can instantly make your dog like me better with no effort.”

    That’s a dagger to the heart of the AWFL, “dog mommy and fur baby” identity and all the struggle sessions therein.

    Especially one that created an Instagram for her rescued cocker spaniel that had 6000+ posts.

  120. @Bill P
    Like the issue of police shootings, women using police to bully men is not necessarily a racial phenomenon. Before black lives matter, police were shooting lots of people, black and white, in questionable circumstances. However, this being 21st century America, race needs to be injected into the discussion before it becomes "serious."

    The truth is that the people most likely to call the police on black men are probably black women. I've seen black women shamelessly threaten black men with the police merely for having the temerity to stand up for themselves in their own homes. However, this is by no means a purely black phenomenon. White women do it all the time as well.

    "Believe all women" attitudes, pervasive due to feminism, lead directly to this behavior. There are countless men who have been jailed merely on the say so of some lying woman like Ms. Cooper. Mostly this gets zero attention, and the true victims, mostly white men, get zero sympathy. Fortunately, good cops (most of them), are well aware of this problem and try to cajole the truth out of women before doing anything drastic.

    It isn't ideal that blacks get to own this issue, but I'll take it as better than nothing. As I wrote in a previous thread's comment, something similar happened to me less than a week ago. I was able to prevent the woman from calling the cops, but only because it was not the first time this has happened to me and I knew how to neutralize her threat. In fact, I can't count all the times I've had women threaten me with authorities, almost always because I called them out on their own bad behavior. That seems to be what provokes them the most.

    If that dog lady lied in her police call, she should do jail time. Every woman who makes a false police report should, at the very least, be booked for the crime. Sure, the jails would be overflowing for a while, but eventually they would learn their lesson and the culture would change for the better.

    I don't believe that lies are the same as type I errors. A lie is not an error. There's a big distinction there. This conflation of the two is feminist sleight of hand. Maybe the racial issue is also contributing to muddled thinking here, but the underlying issue is female abuse of authority, and it has been a problem in the US for decades.

    Ironically, it is black women who may stand to lose the most power if there is a cultural change in this regard. I've spent time in family court, and near the courtrooms there's a little window where guys who got in trouble over domestic disputes line up to check in. I remember taking a good look at that line, relieved I wasn't in it (I was lucky -- it wasn't for lack of effort on my ex's part), and noticing how many black guys were there. I'm sure there were plenty of guilty men in that line, but I grew up around a lot of blacks and saw how vindictive their women can be, so I'm equally sure that there were quite a few totally innocent men unfairly dragged through that process because some angry woman picked up the phone, called the cops and lied through her teeth.

    Replies: @ANON, @Alden, @Jane Plain, @anon, @Alden, @Marty

    Something tells me that Christian Cooper has never been in a position to have a black woman call the cops on him.

  121. @Twinkie
    @Coag


    You can only win with Al Sharpton-style tribalism.
     
    You want whites to be like blacks? Has Al Sharpton-style tribalism worked out for anyone but Al Sharpton? How are ordinary black people doing?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Coag, @Anon, @Whiskey

    Yes I want Whites to be like Blacks. A mere 13 percent of the population dominates the rest. Are Presidents, most of sports and entertainment. Are presented as the Dream match for all White women.

    And now enjoy the ability to steal all your stuff legally and soon the right to kill Whitey for any reason.

    Blacks went from segregation to utter dominance on their own, through hate hate hate of Whitey and complete aggression. Indeed hate of Whites is the unifying superglue of Blacks.

    Yes I want Whites a minority now to be tribal. Aggressive and violent and dominant. I want our rulers to fear Whites rioting and burning down cities. I want White violence to haunt their every moment.

    And I want Whites to keep it real so White girls run and have four kids with White thugs rather than two by Black dudes or none with White beta males.

    Your skin color is your uniform . And you won’t always be young and fit. Better have a pack that had you back. An individual is easy prey. For Blacks or their government.

  122. @Testing12
    @Charlotte Allen

    Excellent list. But many of us got off the train when the incessant COVID-hysteria started.

    Regarding fur babies - folks wonder where white fertility went? So much parental instinct of upper middle class whites these days is funneled toward canines. It's disgusting and out of control. I know married couples with no kids who cook dinner every night for their stupid dogs. Are american whites the only people in the world who put dogs on such a pedestal?

    Replies: @Charlotte Allen

    The upper middle class’s current weird obsession with dogs is nauseating. Cook for your dog? Bake cookies for your dog? Knit sweaters for your dog? Take your dog to a dog hairdresser and dog nail salon? Buy a birthday present for your dog’s birthday? People actually do this stuff! (Check out the pet food aisle at your local supermarket: gourmet burgers, etc.) The worst offenders are single women. They are all over the place with their rambunctious canines in my neighborhood. They won’t get married and have kids (and no one wants to marry the older ones), for fear of losing their “independence”, but they happily chain themselves to a messy, highly emotionally dependent animal that has a nervous breakdown when left alone for a few days while the owner takes a vacation. I’d never get a dog unless I had kids. Dogs are good for teaching kids responsibility and they like to horse around, which kids love.

    • Replies: @Znzn
    @Charlotte Allen

    Well considering that dogs, unlike people, are incapable of malice, and do not betray you, unlike people, they are preferable to humans

    , @Znzn
    @Charlotte Allen

    Hachiko?

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @Charlotte Allen

    "The upper middle class's weird obsession with dogs is nauseating."

    Thank you.

    "The worst offenders are single women."

    Good to know there's at least one other person who has noticed this trend.

    "they happily chain themselves to a messy, highly emotional dependent animal that has a nervous breakdown when left alone for a few days"

    I believe the clinical term for this particular human psychosis is Doggy-Wuv-Wuv.

    , @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Charlotte Allen


    The upper middle class’s current weird obsession with dogs is nauseating. Cook for your dog? Bake cookies for your dog? Knit sweaters for your dog? Take your dog to a dog hairdresser and dog nail salon? Buy a birthday present for your dog’s birthday? People actually do this stuff! (Check out the pet food aisle at your local supermarket: gourmet burgers, etc.) The worst offenders are single women. They are all over the place with their rambunctious canines in my neighborhood. They won’t get married and have kids (and no one wants to marry the older ones), for fear of losing their “independence”, but they happily chain themselves to a messy, highly emotionally dependent animal that has a nervous breakdown when left alone for a few days while the owner takes a vacation. I’d never get a dog unless I had kids. Dogs are good for teaching kids responsibility and they like to horse around, which kids love.
     
    Imagine, if you will, that this act is largely for public consumption and to exhibit status in the way that it is now assessed, and that in the privacy of the home the dogs are treated like, well, dogs.

    The difference between a poorly cared-for dog and a poorly cared-for child is the propensity of the latter to learn to speak and make his or her poor treatment known to other adults.
    , @Alden
    @Charlotte Allen

    Agree about dog owners. I’ve found men dog owners the worst. They love big aggressive dogs that are allowed to charge at passers by. Worst was ultra liberal Marin county dog owners. No fences in the neighborhood so the dogs ran wild all day and night. Didn’t get a leash law till the dogs started running down deer.

    I’ve done a lot of dog sitting since I retired. Dogs are incredibly emotionally dependent to a disgusting degree. And picking up poop. At least we have laws about that. I just take them out to the woods for that. The neighborhoods where I dog sit are over run with coyotes so the dogs are kept inside at night behind fences and leashes when going for walks.

    Nevertheless a lone woman in a park where Whites have been robbed raped beaten and killed by black men for the last 80 years has the right to be frightened.

    Do you know how to tell a real service dog from a pet?

    1. A service dog stays as close as possible to the owner right at the ankle.

    2 A service dog ignores other people, dogs, squirrels and litter, everything.

    3 When the service dog owner stops, the dog sits down either between the owner’s feet or next to and touching a leg.

    4 Unlike the usual untrained pets, the service dog never never moves ahead of the owner.

    I saw a lot of pets at the airport at Christmas
    and the dog relief area signs. I wonder if the owners clean it up or an airport worker?

    , @anon
    @Charlotte Allen

    Dogs are less expensive to educate and more grateful than children. Smart people know what they are doing.

    , @slumber_j
    @Charlotte Allen

    Les McCann is right there with you, a little after the 3:00 mark:

    https://youtu.be/kCDMQqDUtv4?t=182

    , @ScarletNumber
    @Charlotte Allen


    Dogs ... like to horse around
     
    Pun intended?
  123. @Charlotte Allen
    @Testing12

    The upper middle class's current weird obsession with dogs is nauseating. Cook for your dog? Bake cookies for your dog? Knit sweaters for your dog? Take your dog to a dog hairdresser and dog nail salon? Buy a birthday present for your dog's birthday? People actually do this stuff! (Check out the pet food aisle at your local supermarket: gourmet burgers, etc.) The worst offenders are single women. They are all over the place with their rambunctious canines in my neighborhood. They won't get married and have kids (and no one wants to marry the older ones), for fear of losing their "independence", but they happily chain themselves to a messy, highly emotionally dependent animal that has a nervous breakdown when left alone for a few days while the owner takes a vacation. I'd never get a dog unless I had kids. Dogs are good for teaching kids responsibility and they like to horse around, which kids love.

    Replies: @Znzn, @Znzn, @SunBakedSuburb, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Alden, @anon, @slumber_j, @ScarletNumber

    Well considering that dogs, unlike people, are incapable of malice, and do not betray you, unlike people, they are preferable to humans

  124. @jtgw
    @Mr McKenna

    How many straight black dudes go to the park to watch birds? Someone on Twitter noted that this makes a lot more sense if Christian Cooper is gay.

    Replies: @Alden, @The Wild Geese Howard

    How many straight black dudes go to the park to watch birds? Someone on Twitter noted that this makes a lot more sense if Christian Cooper is gay.

    He is.

    This is about the only MSM allusion to it, 80% of the way into this article:

    https://nypost.com/2020/05/26/christian-cooper-recounts-amy-cooper-incident-before-video-footage/

    He’s serious enough about birdwatching that he’s on the local Audobon Society board.

    However, it is a super convenient cover story for cruising Central Park, or any park, anywhere.

    Just add binoculars, a guidebook, and a bottle of water for massive plausible deniability.

  125. @Jane Plain
    @Charlotte Allen

    Do you agree with the virtual lynching, Charlotte?

    Replies: @Charlotte Allen

    Lynching sounds too good for that girl. She’s a blight on the female sex and a threat to animals.

    • Replies: @Jane Plain
    @Charlotte Allen

    Alrighty!

    I assume then that you think that the Minneapolis cop who kneeled on George Floyd's neck and asphyxiated him should swing next to Amy Cooper, and that you equate a tantrum with the death of a man?

    "Lynching sounds too good."

    Be more specific. What should we do with the Karen? Be specific.

    Replies: @Charlotte Allen

  126. @Charlotte Allen
    @Testing12

    The upper middle class's current weird obsession with dogs is nauseating. Cook for your dog? Bake cookies for your dog? Knit sweaters for your dog? Take your dog to a dog hairdresser and dog nail salon? Buy a birthday present for your dog's birthday? People actually do this stuff! (Check out the pet food aisle at your local supermarket: gourmet burgers, etc.) The worst offenders are single women. They are all over the place with their rambunctious canines in my neighborhood. They won't get married and have kids (and no one wants to marry the older ones), for fear of losing their "independence", but they happily chain themselves to a messy, highly emotionally dependent animal that has a nervous breakdown when left alone for a few days while the owner takes a vacation. I'd never get a dog unless I had kids. Dogs are good for teaching kids responsibility and they like to horse around, which kids love.

    Replies: @Znzn, @Znzn, @SunBakedSuburb, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Alden, @anon, @slumber_j, @ScarletNumber

    Hachiko?

  127. JSQ says:
    @Anon
    @Dave Pinsen

    Twinkie’s right, her use of the term African-American man, and her emphasis and repeated use of that term, was her fatal error.

    She’s just a overly confident, entitled, U of Chicago MBA, AWFL bitch who thinks she’s all that because she has some high-powered job as a money-shifter. This type abounds in NYC, DC, Boston, et al.

    Personally I’m super reluctant to get into any squabble with a stranger over any issue, but especially with an AWFL because I know how petty and vindictive they can be. That is a losing battle for someone like me if the cops are called (“This man was acting aggressively and I felt threatened...”). Undoubtedly she’s pulled variations of this shit before and been successful with these AWFL tactics. But this time the entitled AWFL bitch crap didn’t work against a successful Harvard-educated, gay, birdwatching-nerd black man.

    I see this whole incident as less of a race issue and more of an AWFL bitch getting her comeuppance. Having encountered this type before, a lot, I’m feeling a little pep-in-my-step schadenfreude over it.

    Having said all that, I would feel awful if someone I got into a squabble or fight with ended up in trouble or lost their job or dog over it. Even if they were nasty and deserved it. I would want someone to learn their lesson, be chastened, but in no way hurt. If I were Christian Cooper I would feel horrible about what happened to Amy Cooper and would try to reach out to her and reconcile and maybe even help her if possible. That would be the Christian thing to do (no pun intended).

    Replies: @Jack D, @JSQ

    This sums it up exactly. We all know this type of silly, self-important, neurotic middle-class white female who just can’t leave well enough alone. We’ve encountered her countless times in every school and white-collar workplace and affluent neighborhood in America. I think I speak for most white guys when I say we’ve also learned that the best way to deal with this type is to just bite your tongue, swallow your pride and submit to their petty tyrannies, because the Amy Coopers of this world are natural tattle-tales with a lifetime of practice in their art; they always know just whom to tattle to and how to frame it so as to inflict maximum damage with minimal risk to themselves (although Cooper herself probably should hone her skills in this area a little bit). There is a squalid pleasure in seeing this type of person have her meddling and complaining blow up in her face and result in a public humiliation. It’s why, even though I deplore the racial undertones of the “Karen” label, I still smirk a little at the concept, because I can relate to it as well: we all can.

    But the punishment should fit the crime, and being “investigated” by various arms of NYC law enforcement, losing your job–losing your freaking dog–is out of proportion here. This would be a good time for Trump to step in and hold an Obama-type informal “beer summit” between these two, to put the thing to rest. There’s enough tension, racial and otherwise, in the US right now; let’s try to defuse it a little.

    • Replies: @Jane Plain
    @JSQ

    I think I speak for most white guys when I say we’ve also learned that the best way to deal with this type is to just bite your tongue, swallow your pride and submit to their petty tyrannies,

    Very bad advice. Stand your ground and put them in their place. That doesn't mean violence. It means acting like an adult. Is that too much to ask?

    But the punishment should fit the crime, and being “investigated” by various arms of NYC law enforcement, losing your job–losing your freaking dog–is out of proportion here.

    It's continuing. Google it. She's being investigated by the City Council.

    Look: I'm not defending her. She was wrong, and the more I read about her, the more of an annoying SJW dingbat she appears to be. But what's happened to her is pure insanity.

    good time for Trump to step in and hold an Obama-type informal “beer summit” between these two, to put the thing to rest.

    Still a believer in your maximum leader? He won't do anything of the sort. Because that would be the smart thing to do. Trump is the emptiest of empty suits ever to hit US politics.

  128. @Kent Nationalist
    She was completely correct to call the police on a stranger trying to lure away her dog.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    “a stranger trying to lure away her dog”

    Dogs: Nature’s most successful parasites.

  129. @Bill P
    Like the issue of police shootings, women using police to bully men is not necessarily a racial phenomenon. Before black lives matter, police were shooting lots of people, black and white, in questionable circumstances. However, this being 21st century America, race needs to be injected into the discussion before it becomes "serious."

    The truth is that the people most likely to call the police on black men are probably black women. I've seen black women shamelessly threaten black men with the police merely for having the temerity to stand up for themselves in their own homes. However, this is by no means a purely black phenomenon. White women do it all the time as well.

    "Believe all women" attitudes, pervasive due to feminism, lead directly to this behavior. There are countless men who have been jailed merely on the say so of some lying woman like Ms. Cooper. Mostly this gets zero attention, and the true victims, mostly white men, get zero sympathy. Fortunately, good cops (most of them), are well aware of this problem and try to cajole the truth out of women before doing anything drastic.

    It isn't ideal that blacks get to own this issue, but I'll take it as better than nothing. As I wrote in a previous thread's comment, something similar happened to me less than a week ago. I was able to prevent the woman from calling the cops, but only because it was not the first time this has happened to me and I knew how to neutralize her threat. In fact, I can't count all the times I've had women threaten me with authorities, almost always because I called them out on their own bad behavior. That seems to be what provokes them the most.

    If that dog lady lied in her police call, she should do jail time. Every woman who makes a false police report should, at the very least, be booked for the crime. Sure, the jails would be overflowing for a while, but eventually they would learn their lesson and the culture would change for the better.

    I don't believe that lies are the same as type I errors. A lie is not an error. There's a big distinction there. This conflation of the two is feminist sleight of hand. Maybe the racial issue is also contributing to muddled thinking here, but the underlying issue is female abuse of authority, and it has been a problem in the US for decades.

    Ironically, it is black women who may stand to lose the most power if there is a cultural change in this regard. I've spent time in family court, and near the courtrooms there's a little window where guys who got in trouble over domestic disputes line up to check in. I remember taking a good look at that line, relieved I wasn't in it (I was lucky -- it wasn't for lack of effort on my ex's part), and noticing how many black guys were there. I'm sure there were plenty of guilty men in that line, but I grew up around a lot of blacks and saw how vindictive their women can be, so I'm equally sure that there were quite a few totally innocent men unfairly dragged through that process because some angry woman picked up the phone, called the cops and lied through her teeth.

    Replies: @ANON, @Alden, @Jane Plain, @anon, @Alden, @Marty

    If that dog lady lied in her police call, she should do jail time. Every woman who makes a false police report should, at the very least, be booked for the crime.

    “False police report” is a misdemeanor that is seldom enforced. There are reasons for that.

  130. @Charlotte Allen
    @Testing12

    The upper middle class's current weird obsession with dogs is nauseating. Cook for your dog? Bake cookies for your dog? Knit sweaters for your dog? Take your dog to a dog hairdresser and dog nail salon? Buy a birthday present for your dog's birthday? People actually do this stuff! (Check out the pet food aisle at your local supermarket: gourmet burgers, etc.) The worst offenders are single women. They are all over the place with their rambunctious canines in my neighborhood. They won't get married and have kids (and no one wants to marry the older ones), for fear of losing their "independence", but they happily chain themselves to a messy, highly emotionally dependent animal that has a nervous breakdown when left alone for a few days while the owner takes a vacation. I'd never get a dog unless I had kids. Dogs are good for teaching kids responsibility and they like to horse around, which kids love.

    Replies: @Znzn, @Znzn, @SunBakedSuburb, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Alden, @anon, @slumber_j, @ScarletNumber

    “The upper middle class’s weird obsession with dogs is nauseating.”

    Thank you.

    “The worst offenders are single women.”

    Good to know there’s at least one other person who has noticed this trend.

    “they happily chain themselves to a messy, highly emotional dependent animal that has a nervous breakdown when left alone for a few days”

    I believe the clinical term for this particular human psychosis is Doggy-Wuv-Wuv.

  131. @Charlotte Allen
    @Testing12

    The upper middle class's current weird obsession with dogs is nauseating. Cook for your dog? Bake cookies for your dog? Knit sweaters for your dog? Take your dog to a dog hairdresser and dog nail salon? Buy a birthday present for your dog's birthday? People actually do this stuff! (Check out the pet food aisle at your local supermarket: gourmet burgers, etc.) The worst offenders are single women. They are all over the place with their rambunctious canines in my neighborhood. They won't get married and have kids (and no one wants to marry the older ones), for fear of losing their "independence", but they happily chain themselves to a messy, highly emotionally dependent animal that has a nervous breakdown when left alone for a few days while the owner takes a vacation. I'd never get a dog unless I had kids. Dogs are good for teaching kids responsibility and they like to horse around, which kids love.

    Replies: @Znzn, @Znzn, @SunBakedSuburb, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Alden, @anon, @slumber_j, @ScarletNumber

    The upper middle class’s current weird obsession with dogs is nauseating. Cook for your dog? Bake cookies for your dog? Knit sweaters for your dog? Take your dog to a dog hairdresser and dog nail salon? Buy a birthday present for your dog’s birthday? People actually do this stuff! (Check out the pet food aisle at your local supermarket: gourmet burgers, etc.) The worst offenders are single women. They are all over the place with their rambunctious canines in my neighborhood. They won’t get married and have kids (and no one wants to marry the older ones), for fear of losing their “independence”, but they happily chain themselves to a messy, highly emotionally dependent animal that has a nervous breakdown when left alone for a few days while the owner takes a vacation. I’d never get a dog unless I had kids. Dogs are good for teaching kids responsibility and they like to horse around, which kids love.

    Imagine, if you will, that this act is largely for public consumption and to exhibit status in the way that it is now assessed, and that in the privacy of the home the dogs are treated like, well, dogs.

    The difference between a poorly cared-for dog and a poorly cared-for child is the propensity of the latter to learn to speak and make his or her poor treatment known to other adults.

  132. @Jack D
    @Colin Wright

    She was the one who chose to pull the race card. She chose poorly.

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @Redman, @Colin Wright

    True. But in the hierarchy of poor choices, it doesn’t seem to rate very highly. For example, young Mr. Arbery’s choice of attacking a man with a shotgun pointed right at him while stopping him for police questioning is the apotheosis.

    Having been in dozens of arguments in public places in Manhattan with all sorts of people (white, male, female, black, etc.), I’d have to admit I’ve lost my cool in more than a few. Under those circumstances, it’s easy to say things without thinking in the heat of the battle so to speak. My own view: Life is a psychological war in NYC, and it’s easy to get drawn into (in retrospect) stupid disputes because of the lack of civility or consideration of so many neurotics or just incredibly competitive, high strung people.

    As a defense lawyer, I defended one wealthy white men who got into a silly random argument with a black security guard and called him “n###er.” On the flip side, I also represented a black building security guard who correctly kept a white man from going up to his apartment during a fire when his wife and child were there. The white man (who understandably lost his composure at being kept from his family) freaked out and called the guy “stupid n###er.” My client immediately jumped over his desk and attacked the white man. Charged with misdemeanor assault, which I was eventually able to get dropped.

    While I don’t condone the manner in which Ms. Cooper indeed played the race card, (1) Mr. Cooper was never in danger from any NYC cop (to say otherwise is absurd dishonesty); and (2) It’s common for one in a heated argument to blurt the most obvious physical characteristic of the opponent as a taunt. I’ve been called faggot (I’m not) in several arguments with blacks; and I’ve seen more than one argument in which one of the adversaries was taunted as “bald.” It’s an atavistic human trait.

    All of this is to say that birdgate is a major mountain out of a molehill. The Monty Python crew would have understood.

    • Replies: @Jane Plain
    @Redman

    "Having been in dozens of arguments in public places in Manhattan with all sorts of people (white, male, female, black, etc.), I’d have to admit I’ve lost my cool in more than a few."

    I hope you've learned to zip it up and move on. Whatever it is isn't worth your life. Or getting your law license revoked.

    "Life is a psychological war in NYC"

    I got news for you. That's true everywhere. But in NYC it's in your face.

    Most of the near misses I've seen were in subways, or on subway platforms, when two black guys made eye contact. That usually leads to words, at the very least.

  133. @Bill P
    Like the issue of police shootings, women using police to bully men is not necessarily a racial phenomenon. Before black lives matter, police were shooting lots of people, black and white, in questionable circumstances. However, this being 21st century America, race needs to be injected into the discussion before it becomes "serious."

    The truth is that the people most likely to call the police on black men are probably black women. I've seen black women shamelessly threaten black men with the police merely for having the temerity to stand up for themselves in their own homes. However, this is by no means a purely black phenomenon. White women do it all the time as well.

    "Believe all women" attitudes, pervasive due to feminism, lead directly to this behavior. There are countless men who have been jailed merely on the say so of some lying woman like Ms. Cooper. Mostly this gets zero attention, and the true victims, mostly white men, get zero sympathy. Fortunately, good cops (most of them), are well aware of this problem and try to cajole the truth out of women before doing anything drastic.

    It isn't ideal that blacks get to own this issue, but I'll take it as better than nothing. As I wrote in a previous thread's comment, something similar happened to me less than a week ago. I was able to prevent the woman from calling the cops, but only because it was not the first time this has happened to me and I knew how to neutralize her threat. In fact, I can't count all the times I've had women threaten me with authorities, almost always because I called them out on their own bad behavior. That seems to be what provokes them the most.

    If that dog lady lied in her police call, she should do jail time. Every woman who makes a false police report should, at the very least, be booked for the crime. Sure, the jails would be overflowing for a while, but eventually they would learn their lesson and the culture would change for the better.

    I don't believe that lies are the same as type I errors. A lie is not an error. There's a big distinction there. This conflation of the two is feminist sleight of hand. Maybe the racial issue is also contributing to muddled thinking here, but the underlying issue is female abuse of authority, and it has been a problem in the US for decades.

    Ironically, it is black women who may stand to lose the most power if there is a cultural change in this regard. I've spent time in family court, and near the courtrooms there's a little window where guys who got in trouble over domestic disputes line up to check in. I remember taking a good look at that line, relieved I wasn't in it (I was lucky -- it wasn't for lack of effort on my ex's part), and noticing how many black guys were there. I'm sure there were plenty of guilty men in that line, but I grew up around a lot of blacks and saw how vindictive their women can be, so I'm equally sure that there were quite a few totally innocent men unfairly dragged through that process because some angry woman picked up the phone, called the cops and lied through her teeth.

    Replies: @ANON, @Alden, @Jane Plain, @anon, @Alden, @Marty

    You’re writing about domestic violence situations which are between 2 people who live together or are in the same place by choice at the time the alleged incident happened.

    This was an encounter between 2 strangers. One of the strangers belongs to one of the demographics that commits 96% of the homicides in NYC.

    As for saying African American, race is the first question the dispatchers ask, then clothes, then size then age.

    This can and does happen to Whites. Blacks, especially black women constantly try to set up Whites in the workplace. Black men sexually harass White women they work with and then claim racial discrimination if the White woman rejects them.

    • Replies: @Bill P
    @Alden

    I was under the impression that people in NYC are all pretty much living together by choice. I chose to live in a county that is less than 1% black, partly for the reasons you mention, but New Yorkers clearly have other priorities.

    The woman wasn't afraid of the guy at all. She was angry, and wanted to put him in his place. Not because he was black, but because he pointed out that the rules applied to her, too.

    In my mind she's just like the crazy neighbor who threatened me with the police recently for telling her to quit honking her horn. A lot of women use the threat of the police to get their way. I've seen it over and over in all sorts of circumstances in the US.

    I don't think women should not have the right to call the cops, but if they lie when they do so they should be arrested. The woman accused the guy of threatening her and her dog, but he wasnt. People can be arrested for threats. If she said that to the cops, he could be locked up on false charges. It's only fair that she be arrested and sent to jail if she committed the crime of falsely accusing the man.

    Likewise for the neighborhood honking lady I had to deal with the other day. After she sat blaring her horn over and over on a balmy evening while everyone's windows were open, I got up, walked over to her car, and asked her to please stop it. She promptly accused me of harassment and threatened me with police. Who is harassing whom? She was harassing the entire neighborhood, and there she was threatening to accuse me of a crime she was committing herself!

    This really isn't about race. It's about a certain subset of women abusing the considerable power society has given them. Calling the police is kind of like pulling a gun. There are situations where it's warranted, and then there are situations where it isn't. Wounded pride is, absent other injury, not a good reason, but it's far from rare for women to call the cops for that alone.

    It reminds me of an incident just the other day, when my 5yo was playing with a neighborhood girl at my place. She's a nice girl, a pleasure to have over, and a good playmate for my kid. So I'm sitting in the living room reading, and the girl comes out of my son's room saying she has to tell me something. I ask her "what's the matter?" And she tells me that my son made fun of her spelling. So I took her back to the room, asked the boy whether he did this, and then had him apologize while reminding him that he wouldn't like it if I did that to him.

    This is totally normal little kid stuff. Cute, even. But at a certain point in life, daddy isn't there to mediate these things. You're on your own, and it's time to act like a grown-up. This means, among other things, that you'd better have a good reason when you call on armed men to intervene on your behalf. Hurt feelings don't quite clear the bar anymore.

  134. anon[381] • Disclaimer says:

    That it is major news is embarrassing. And I feel bad for box-wine aunt for losing her job, and dog, because of the mob.

    Maybe wine-box aunt lady now becomes a vengeful revolutionary writing sundry political treatises until the day when she returns from exile to impose her revenge upon the ruling class. Lol. One can hope.

    But honestly, this wouldn’t be happening if we had our own country, one exclusively for our people just like other civilized nations — Japan, South Korea, etc. A nation like that is largely free from this kind of incident. If you don’t believe me, I would urge you to take a trip to Japan one day. It’s very different from this mess of a country. Even in the dead of night you can walk their urban areas in near perfect safety. Beautiful culture.

    Why exactly does this proposal get no traction? It seems to be the obvious solution. Do you guys not want to live in a society free of racism, a place where we have the unity to fix our problems? Where we are free to pursue our own ends and to express ourselves without inference? Imagine no more stories like Central Park Karen. A national culture. Unity. Patriotism and civic spirit. No diversity or immigration. Good schools and neighborhoods we can pass down to our kids. Imagine living among your own kind in peace, no more fighting or stress. No more being blamed for all the world’s problems by envious racists and white self-haters. Sounds like paradise to me. … so what’s stopping you?

    My guess is that whites like complaining but are otherwise perfectly fine as long as the hamburger and diet coke supplies don’t run out. Impose a temporary lockdown, cutting them off from the beach and the grill, and then it’s full on 1776. Since Karen here isn’t them, they don’t care. That kind of people is ultimately doomed.

    Video shows crowded pool party in Missouri

    https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2020/05/24/crowded-pool-party-social-distancing-lake-of-the-ozarks-missouri-orig-kj.cnn

  135. @dreydl smasher
    sad watching the continued decline of steve sailer into tendentious racist hack. at the very least could have used this incident to drum up some (admittedly, retread) musings on the psychololgy of uber-privileged soon-to-be-barren uws finance jewesses -- but no. more imporant to spoonfeed vomit into the induction holes of the kind of subhuman burger-droppings that bother to come to this festering shithole of a website anymore

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @Anonymous, @Unam, @Alfa158

    Tiny Duck, you have given yourself away! You normally use the self-insulting moniker Tiny D(i)uck, and now you insult yourself again by referring to yourself as a “subhuman burger-dropping that bothers to come to this festering shithole of a website” You may change your moniker, but the fingerprint is always the same.
    I am offended however by the blanket Anti-Semitism of your latest moniker. At least you avoided that in your TD incarnation.

  136. @adreadline
    I'll just say one thing: if this dog brouhaha had happened in an ultraviolent ghetto of the Rhode Islands, no one would have cared enough to spill a coffee milk over it!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFV6HvX57Jw



    Are those yer dogs?

    Replies: @Redman

    Great vid. But Fall River is in MA, not Rhode Island. Although it’s pretty much the same demo.

  137. Kaz says:

    I think this guy has an ingenious solution to these prick dogowners that let their dogs run rampant without leashes. Cops aren’t going to enforce it because it’s not worth their time.

    His solution is to carry around treats to inconvenience rule breaking dog owners, completely innocuous.

    Also you can’t pretend to be scared for your life when you’re getting closer to the guy recording instead of walking away.

    I’ll say it again. SHE WALKED TOWARDS HIM and nearly got in his face.

    This isn’t a type i type ii error, this is just another woman who would be happy to falsely accuse a man without a concern for consequences.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Kaz

    His solution is to carry around treats to inconvenience rule breaking dog owners, completely innocuous.

    I'm not quite as sanguine as you are that strangers handing out treats to dogs is completely innocuous.

    After all, not everyone likes dogs and it is just conceivable that someone handing a treat to your dog might be one of those people. I also understand that dogs can be (and are) stolen. What better way to get close to a dog you'd like to steal than giving it a treat?

    I understand the dog owner in this instance was behaving foolishly, but consider: is handing a treat to a dog you do not know, owned by a stranger you do not know, really such a good idea?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  138. Kaz says:
    @Charlotte Allen
    This is where I get off the Steve train.

    I live in Washington DC and for the past 18 years in a neighborhood that is half gentrified and half 100 percent black housing projects. One of the things you quickly learn for your own safety on the sidewalks and on the Metro is how to distinguish ordinary black men minding their business (which is most of them) from thugs. If you can't do that, you're a hysterical fool like Amy Cooper who couldn't tell the difference in broad daylight and thus shouldn't be living in a city. The thugs are uniformly young (teens to 25 or so), loud, usually traveling in groups, and of distinctly gangsta appearance: locs, tattoos, pant waists down below the boxer shorts, in the summer often no shirt. Those black males are to be avoided at all costs--which is something that respectable black people do. If she had run screaming for the police from one or more (usually more) of that type, and he had turned out to be a Rhodes scholar, that would have been a "false positive."

    I'm glad that Franklin Templeton fired her. My husband and I have some of our savings in Franklin Templeton, and I don't want my money managed by a 42-year-old single woman in NYC who: 1) calls herself a "dog mom" and the dogs she owns her "babies"; 2) wears a coronavirus mask while walking on a virtually unpopulated trail in the early morning; 3) has so little social awareness that she can't tell the difference between a thug and some middle-aged black guy in a T-shirt; 4) disregards the leash law on an environmentally fragile trail because "fur baby" is so precious; 5) obviously calls the police without provocation while remembering to be oh-so-politically correct (she says "African-American"? C'mon!); and 6) gets so emotionally wrought up that she tortures the dog in the process (I could scarcely watch that prolonged strangling on the video as she repeatedly dragged the choking animal by its collar).

    Sorry, but I feel zero sympathy for this woman. She needs to get out of money management.

    Replies: @SFG, @VinnyVette, @Testing12, @Jane Plain, @Jane Plain, @Kaz, @Dave Pinsen

    If you can’t do that, you’re a hysterical fool like Amy Cooper who couldn’t tell the difference in broad daylight and thus shouldn’t be living in a city.

    Did you watch the video? You can’t even make the generous claim that she was scared or stupid.

    She KNEW 100% the man was safe. That’s why she approached him and got in his face when she was yelling at him, before stepping back to make the call.

  139. @Charlotte Allen
    @Testing12

    The upper middle class's current weird obsession with dogs is nauseating. Cook for your dog? Bake cookies for your dog? Knit sweaters for your dog? Take your dog to a dog hairdresser and dog nail salon? Buy a birthday present for your dog's birthday? People actually do this stuff! (Check out the pet food aisle at your local supermarket: gourmet burgers, etc.) The worst offenders are single women. They are all over the place with their rambunctious canines in my neighborhood. They won't get married and have kids (and no one wants to marry the older ones), for fear of losing their "independence", but they happily chain themselves to a messy, highly emotionally dependent animal that has a nervous breakdown when left alone for a few days while the owner takes a vacation. I'd never get a dog unless I had kids. Dogs are good for teaching kids responsibility and they like to horse around, which kids love.

    Replies: @Znzn, @Znzn, @SunBakedSuburb, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Alden, @anon, @slumber_j, @ScarletNumber

    Agree about dog owners. I’ve found men dog owners the worst. They love big aggressive dogs that are allowed to charge at passers by. Worst was ultra liberal Marin county dog owners. No fences in the neighborhood so the dogs ran wild all day and night. Didn’t get a leash law till the dogs started running down deer.

    I’ve done a lot of dog sitting since I retired. Dogs are incredibly emotionally dependent to a disgusting degree. And picking up poop. At least we have laws about that. I just take them out to the woods for that. The neighborhoods where I dog sit are over run with coyotes so the dogs are kept inside at night behind fences and leashes when going for walks.

    Nevertheless a lone woman in a park where Whites have been robbed raped beaten and killed by black men for the last 80 years has the right to be frightened.

    Do you know how to tell a real service dog from a pet?

    1. A service dog stays as close as possible to the owner right at the ankle.

    2 A service dog ignores other people, dogs, squirrels and litter, everything.

    3 When the service dog owner stops, the dog sits down either between the owner’s feet or next to and touching a leg.

    4 Unlike the usual untrained pets, the service dog never never moves ahead of the owner.

    I saw a lot of pets at the airport at Christmas
    and the dog relief area signs. I wonder if the owners clean it up or an airport worker?

  140. This is an amazing bit of current year drama. So far:

    – the woman is humiliated on Twitter
    – her dog is confiscated or she voluntarily surrenders the little fellow to dog rescue
    – she loses her job
    – the Central Park Civic Association has called for her to be banned from the park
    – something called the Commission on Human Rights has issued a letter of inquiry to the woman requesting her cooperation in a pre-complaint intervention

    These next developments seem likely:
    – her PayPal cancelled
    – banned from Facebooks
    – new or old black panthers demonstrate in front of her apartment, with pit bulls
    – the LGBTQ community demonstrates in front of her apartment, with cocker spaniels
    – Trump tweets disapprovingly of her
    – Biden and Stacey Abraham denounce her
    – she is discovered to have once suggested less than 11 million Jews were gassed
    – she is placed on the TSA no fly list
    – banned from Uber and Lyft
    – evicted from her NYC apartment
    – she is beaten to near death by the NYPD for not wearing a face mask while homeless

    I’m sure there’s more misfortune in store for her

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    @Just another serf

    - then she's deported back to Canada

  141. @Mr McKenna
    This woman probably shouldn't have called the cops on this guy.

    https://heavy.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/christian-cooper-1.jpg

    This woman probably should have called the cops on this guy.

    https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2020/05/sexual-assault-1.jpg

    https://nypost.com/2020/05/26/man-charged-in-nyc-rape-was-freed-in-two-prior-assault-cases/

    Replies: @jtgw, @Nachum

    What is it about glasses on black men that makes them (in reality, apparently) less threatening?

  142. As a Queens resident, I just have to point out that there weren’t dozens of witnesses to the Genovese attack. At most there were one or two that didn’t call the police, and a few more than that that did.

    The whole thing was a New York Times lie. Maybe they didn’t want to focus on the actual story (black man rapes and kills white woman).

    Genovese seems to have been gay, but that didn’t earn you points as much back then.

  143. @Joe Stalin
    @Dave Pinsen

    "I pull out the dog treats I carry for just such intransigence."

    In other words, he knows animal behavior. He came to show dominance over the 'dog people.' He knows EXACTLY what he is doing and is not some innocent in the park. He came to engage and prevail in the social interaction HE PREPARED FOR. And unfortunately, the lady did not have the presence of mine to turn on her cell phone camera so we could see what she saw in terms of body language. A muscular man trying to lure her animal from her.

    Replies: @Redman, @Dr. Krieger

    I’m not a dog owner, but I know many. And a lot of them are very cautious about who they let touch their dogs. Dog stealing, for instance, is a big thing in NYC. To Ms. Cooper, Mr. Cooper’s actions may have seemed to overstep reasonable personal boundaries; luring the woman’s dog with treats could have appeared unusual and threatening.

    IMO-if she hadn’t manhandled the dog (which to me was quite comical actually) she would have had a lot more sympathy from the thousands of dog lovers here.

  144. @Kent Nationalist
    She was completely correct to call the police on a stranger trying to lure away her dog.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    a stranger trying to lure away her dog

    Then her call to the cops should have been quite different:

    “Hello, police? I let my dog run loose and a strange negro offered him dog treats. Help!”

    • LOL: Twinkie
    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    It doesn’t seem to occur to some commenters here that one of the surest ways of preventing your dog from being “lured” thusly is to... put your dog on a leash.

    , @Kent Nationalist
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Why would a strange man without dogs be carrying around dog treats? Anyone would be afraid if a strange, agressive man was making threatening comments and trying to lure away their dog.

  145. @Charlotte Allen
    @Testing12

    The upper middle class's current weird obsession with dogs is nauseating. Cook for your dog? Bake cookies for your dog? Knit sweaters for your dog? Take your dog to a dog hairdresser and dog nail salon? Buy a birthday present for your dog's birthday? People actually do this stuff! (Check out the pet food aisle at your local supermarket: gourmet burgers, etc.) The worst offenders are single women. They are all over the place with their rambunctious canines in my neighborhood. They won't get married and have kids (and no one wants to marry the older ones), for fear of losing their "independence", but they happily chain themselves to a messy, highly emotionally dependent animal that has a nervous breakdown when left alone for a few days while the owner takes a vacation. I'd never get a dog unless I had kids. Dogs are good for teaching kids responsibility and they like to horse around, which kids love.

    Replies: @Znzn, @Znzn, @SunBakedSuburb, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Alden, @anon, @slumber_j, @ScarletNumber

    Dogs are less expensive to educate and more grateful than children. Smart people know what they are doing.

  146. @Twinkie
    @Dave Pinsen


    Open your eyes wider, Twink.
     
    I will when you can see below your belly.

    Only race-obsessed morons wouldn’t see from the video that she is the one who advanced on him and started to act on the phone with the police like she was being assaulted. Geez. The dog needs exercise? Take it for a walk or a run on a leash instead of breaking park rules and choking her dog by stringing it up.

    And he didn’t ruin her - she did that all by herself by calling the police and trying to frame him for a crime. Did he “provoke” her into breaking the park rules and disturbing the bird sanctuary?

    And I love the “This AFRICAN-AMERICAN man is threatening me!” part. Really scared people don’t yell PC-compliant descriptive like that. They scream “HELP! A man is threatening me!” or perhaps “This black guy is after me!” People under stress often lose adjectives and adverbs, forget PC-compliant ones.

    For once, a white person is actually the bad one. Let it go.

    Replies: @Coag, @peterike, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    “Open your eyes wider, Twink.”

    “I will when you can see below your belly.”

    See, now this is quality bantz. A zing here, a zing there …

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Nah, he’s just being a juvenile racist jackass, and I’m just pointing out that if he weren’t a walking heart attack, he might feel less insecure and stop engaging in third grade racist banter. He has a complete control over the object of my retort.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Dave Pinsen

  147. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Kent Nationalist


    a stranger trying to lure away her dog
     
    Then her call to the cops should have been quite different:

    “Hello, police? I let my dog run loose and a strange negro offered him dog treats. Help!”

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Kent Nationalist

    It doesn’t seem to occur to some commenters here that one of the surest ways of preventing your dog from being “lured” thusly is to… put your dog on a leash.

  148. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Twinkie


    “Open your eyes wider, Twink.”

    “I will when you can see below your belly.”
     
    See, now this is quality bantz. A zing here, a zing there …

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Nah, he’s just being a juvenile racist jackass, and I’m just pointing out that if he weren’t a walking heart attack, he might feel less insecure and stop engaging in third grade racist banter. He has a complete control over the object of my retort.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Twinkie


    Nah, he’s just being a juvenile racist jackass ...
     
    The exchange was cute though, especially in the obscure context of the amusing judo/physique tiffs you guys had a while back—which I’m sure neither of you have forgotten. :)

    I’ll admit I never expected you guys to get into a personal snit—both your comment ‘brands’ in general have a tone of sober rationality (although he may be a little more ‘chill’ than you… veev ladeefa ronts as they say in French Harlem).

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @Twinkie

    I've made my name and appearance public, and you haven't, but I'm the insecure one? For all I know, you're fatter than me.

    Replies: @Coag, @Twinkie

  149. @res
    @Twinkie

    I'm not sure about that, but can we at least agree both behaved badly in that situation?

    And one has been metaphorically lynched for it while the other is being lauded.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    And one has been metaphorically lynched for it

    She lynched her own dog, not so metaphorically.

    • Replies: @res
    @Twinkie

    Do you think the respective treatment of the two of them has been both reasonable and proportionate?

    What do you think an appropriate resolution/punishment would have been for this unfortunate situation?

    I agree with much of the criticism of her, but I think the response has gotten way out of hand.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Redman

  150. @Truth
    Hey I have a great question here; seeing as how she was unwuestionably breaking the law, what if he had called another armed friend over, pulled out his weapon (and pointed it at the ground) and attempted a citizen's arrest?

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    If by “great question” you mean a really fucking dumb one, sure.

    • Agree: David In TN
    • Replies: @Truth
    @ScarletNumber

    What was dumb about it? She broke the law by not leashing her dog. That's along the level of tresspassing, he had every right to make a citizen's arrest; right?

  151. @MLK
    I find this current assault on the old school advisement to 'When in doubt, call the cops," fascinating.

    Perhaps we've gotten ourselves so turned around by Identity nonsense we've forgotten the days when we had Peace, not Law Enforcement, Officers.

    We seem to have flipped to the extreme opposite of this cautionary tale:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kitty_Genovese

    The irony is that NYC has a well-trained, expensive army protecting its citizenry. Whatever people might imagine happening elsewhere, the idea that Harvard-educated, Audubon Society board member black or not was at all at risk of anything from cops showing up is absurd. He knew that, which is why he kept videoing and told her he wanted her to call 9/11.

    Ditto, by the way, for the lady with her dog at 8 AM. In the old days, we would have concluded what I have no doubt cops responding would have in this case, she was having a bad day.

    The cops that showed up -- any two cops that showed up, would have told him that she had leashed her dog and that they would remind her she needed to do so in the future or risk a citation.

    He would have then left, and the cops would have spent the next half an hour or so listening to her complain about how difficult a time she and fluffy were having, what with the virus lockdown and all -- "He's not getting enough exercise!" -- before sending her on her way -- "Okay, have a better day, Ma'am."

    Back before Do The Right Thing, BLM, and Wokeness and all that, we used to be able to recognize life imitating an episode of The Andy Griffith Show, enjoy it and call it a day.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @MLK, @dreydl smasher

    this is not mayberry, it’s a real-life (ie, unfunny) seinfeld episode. to wit: birdwatching blackman who used to work for marvel comix

    sailer should easily have noticed but too busy scrounging for tips, calibrating his obnoxious nimby negro-threat-verification tool

  152. jsm says:
    @Twinkie
    @Dave Pinsen


    But Christian Cooper also said things have already gone too far. During a pandemic, he added, we all need to be kinder to one another — and respect the rules.

    “I’m not interested in repercussions,” he said. “It’s unfortunate what happened. There was definitely a lapse in judgment. But she put the dog on the leash, and I don’t need to see anything else happen to her.”
     
    He appears to be a better human being than a woman who broke rules and then tried to frame him with a crime all the while consuming public (law enforcement) resources needlessly.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Redman, @res, @jsm, @Anonymous

    No, Twinkie…
    by trying to lure away her dog with treats (entirely possibly poisoned) it removes from her a safety … She couldn’t know if he had an accomplice in the bushes, waiting to attack her when the dog that might bite him was being held by the “birdwatcher” so the dog could not defend his owner.

    There’s clear reason why this woman got scared.

    • Agree: Joseph Doaks
  153. @Jane Plain
    @Jack D

    Sure of that?

    Maybe 911 asked her for a description.

    I do agree with your basic point, though. She seems like a real bunny-boiler.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Even before she called 911, she told Cooper “”I’m going to tell [the police] there’s an African-American man threatening my life.” So no, she had planned her use of the race card in advance.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Jack D

    That sounds like a threat, doesn’t it? “Listen, black man, if you don’t get out of my way, I’m gonna tell the police that there is a black man here! And you won’t like what happens to you!”

    It’s like she believed in the leftist fantasy of police mistreatment of black men and tried to use it to browbeat him.

    , @Jane Plain
    @Jack D

    You're right.

    I stand corrected - I re-read the article right after the time to edit my comment had expired.

    Amy Cooper is a fruitcake. But we will all rue the consequences of this relative nothingburger. Except for Charlotte Allen, who welcomes it.

    , @Redman
    @Jack D

    My point (which Steve refuses to clear for some reason) is so what?

    The history of argument is playing whatever “card” pisses off the person who has just pissed you off. Have you never had a public confrontation?

    It’s atavistic. You always go for the balls of your opponent in a one on one confrontation. A man would have noticed Mr. Cooper (The Karen here) was gay and probably called him a faggot. I’m not saying it’s smart, just that it’s hard wired in our nature. So understandable.

    Attempting to attack a guy pointing a shot gun at you is definitely not understandable.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Jane Plain

  154. res says:
    @Twinkie
    @res


    And one has been metaphorically lynched for it
     
    She lynched her own dog, not so metaphorically.

    Replies: @res

    Do you think the respective treatment of the two of them has been both reasonable and proportionate?

    What do you think an appropriate resolution/punishment would have been for this unfortunate situation?

    I agree with much of the criticism of her, but I think the response has gotten way out of hand.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @res

    I believe in criminal sanction or at least a hefty fine for making a false report to the police - that goes for people of any race (Jussie Smollet, Amy Cooper, people who do “SWATting,” etc.). And I don’t look too kindly on people who let their dogs loose in public either - and I am a dog lover par excellence.

    What he did was at best “too nosy,” something that can be dealt with easily by ignoring, waking away, or, gasp, leashing the dog as the law requires.

    Replies: @anon

    , @Redman
    @res

    The response had gotten out of hand because she’s managed to piss off the 2 most irrational demos possible. Blacks and dog lovers.

    A perfect storm. Very bad luck.

  155. @Jack D
    @Colin Wright

    She was the one who chose to pull the race card. She chose poorly.

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @Redman, @Colin Wright

    ‘She was the one who chose to pull the race card. She chose poorly.’

    Do you feel that global opprobrium plus being fired from her job is sufficient punishment, or do you feel further penalties would be appropriate?

  156. I don’t see the connection between wanting to eliminate false accusations against innocent black men and having to accept more crime by black men against white women. It’s a judgment call at times about when to call the police so mistakes cannot be eliminated. But I don’t think we have to accept the people who see something they don’t like, jump to the conclusion that blacks are doing something wrong and then call the cops just to keep white women safe.

    As for Mr. Cooper, I saw an article at the Daily Mail in which he appeared to be a fair and reasonable guy. He gave thoughtful answers. It seems like he thinks like an educated American, which he is. Isn’t that good? Isn’t that what we want? God knows we have a huge problem with black criminals. This guy is the opposite of a criminal though. He shouldn’t be punished for what black criminals do.

    By the way, this woman is a Canadian. I don’t think she has any special skills so there’s no good reason that she took the place of an American in her American jobs. She shouldn’t even have been here.

  157. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Kent Nationalist


    a stranger trying to lure away her dog
     
    Then her call to the cops should have been quite different:

    “Hello, police? I let my dog run loose and a strange negro offered him dog treats. Help!”

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Kent Nationalist

    Why would a strange man without dogs be carrying around dog treats? Anyone would be afraid if a strange, agressive man was making threatening comments and trying to lure away their dog.

  158. utu says:
    @Change that Matters
    @Dave Pinsen

    Christian Cooper is a Black Bernhard Goetz going after White Women with doggy treats, taunts and an iPhone.

    I wonder how many times he went through that set up before he stumbled on Amy Cooper?

    Replies: @utu

    “Christian Cooper is a Black Bernhard Goetz going after White Women with doggy treats, taunts and an iPhone.”

    Why does he carry dog treats? He might be some kind of harasser vigilante who gets off on confronting people with dogs or perhaps women with dogs. What about a poster with his face in Central Park: Were you or your dog harassed by this man?

    Alden [#31] is correct that some Blacks like to scold Whites on minor issue when they are only technically right like demanding courtesy. Once I was reproached for not sayin thank you when a black guy held door open for us.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/type-i-and-type-ii-errors-in-central-park/#comment-3920718

  159. @Mister.Baseball
    The whole incident is something stupid between two unpleasant people. Her dog should've been on its leash and she is a selfish box wine aunt. Yet, it doesn't just change that the guy threatened her, and has a history of harassing dog walkers using the same, "you're not gonna to like what I'm gonna do" line. So it's something this guy does in his spare time (including carrying dog treats in his pocket to interfere with dog owners.)
    He's a prick, and under any other circumstance [and any other skin color] it would be a story of a busybody running into the wrong, annoying box-wine aunt type who calls the cops over everything-- maybe justified this time considering that line and him continuing to go after her dog despite warning him not to touch the dog.

    That it is major news is embarrassing. And I feel bad for box-wine aunt for losing her job, and dog, because of the mob.

    ...the SJW sleeper cells have been activated for the election and the media is really trying to drum up some summer Travyon/Baltimore 2.0 over every incident, no matter how serious.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @Anonymous, @duncsbaby, @Thea, @Erik L, @Mike_from_SGV

    “the media is really trying to drum up some summer Travyon/Baltimore 2.0 over every incident”

    This is why, if you find yourself in a contentious situation with a favored minority, just get the hell out of there. The dominant culture wants to crucify you and make you into a morality play. They are openly looking for an incident, they are hostile, they are not even pretending otherwise at this point.

    • Replies: @Mister.Baseball
    @Mike_from_SGV

    Who is this 'you', kemosabe?

  160. @res
    @Twinkie

    Do you think the respective treatment of the two of them has been both reasonable and proportionate?

    What do you think an appropriate resolution/punishment would have been for this unfortunate situation?

    I agree with much of the criticism of her, but I think the response has gotten way out of hand.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Redman

    I believe in criminal sanction or at least a hefty fine for making a false report to the police – that goes for people of any race (Jussie Smollet, Amy Cooper, people who do “SWATting,” etc.). And I don’t look too kindly on people who let their dogs loose in public either – and I am a dog lover par excellence.

    What he did was at best “too nosy,” something that can be dealt with easily by ignoring, waking away, or, gasp, leashing the dog as the law requires.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Twinkie

    I believe in criminal sanction or at least a hefty fine for making a false report to the police

    Ok, so what? What level of crime do you suppose this misdemeanor is? Are you going to your state legislature to make the crime into a low level felony? I doubt it.

    For the third time: this is a misdemeanor that is rarely prosecuted. There are reasons for that. You're intelligent, think about those reasons.

    Why would this misdemeanor be rarely prosecuted. Randomness or something else?

    PS: A big shout-out to Art Deco who missed the point in a previous comment thread! How ya doin'? Learned to say "Oops, I was wrong" yet? No? Well, keep workin' on it!

  161. @Jack D
    @Jane Plain

    Even before she called 911, she told Cooper ""I'm going to tell [the police] there's an African-American man threatening my life." So no, she had planned her use of the race card in advance.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Jane Plain, @Redman

    That sounds like a threat, doesn’t it? “Listen, black man, if you don’t get out of my way, I’m gonna tell the police that there is a black man here! And you won’t like what happens to you!”

    It’s like she believed in the leftist fantasy of police mistreatment of black men and tried to use it to browbeat him.

    • Agree: Jack D
  162. @William Badwhite
    @Morris Applebaum IV


    There’s got to be someone reading this blog who has an investment account with Franklin Templeton. They need to lose at least some business for this unjust firing.
     
    Franklin has been a poorly managed pile of junk for quite awhile. Their stock is down about 60% over the past five years. They've managed an astounding number of consecutive quarters of net outflows (when more money is redeemed from their funds than is invested), something like 20+.

    They're already facing industry headwinds in that fewer and fewer investors are willing to invest in actively managed funds (as opposed to passive [i.e. index] funds), then factor in their lazy, incompetent, and nepotistic management (the current Chairman is the son of the past Chairman, the CEO is his sister and daughter of the prior Chairman) and you get a real mess of a company.

    Example of recent management brilliance: They decided to buy Legg Mason in mid-February. The deal included a massive break-up fee (in excess of $500mm). Naturally Covid hit not long after and Legg's assets under management plummeted, but Franklin is still on the hook for the acquisition.


    https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/BEN

    Click on "5Y" above the chart.

    Replies: @the one they call Desanex

    They decided to buy Legg Mason …

    Wood Walker?

    “My dog is a Doberman.”
    “Pincher?”

  163. @Coag
    @Twinkie

    Ordinary black people punch above their weight. They work nice affirmative action sinecures and collect nice salaries and benefits from the rest of you suckers. And that’s because White America is brow beaten every day by the most ludicrous race hustlers and White America is gonna take it like a champ without any complaints. Without the race hustle blacks would be living in favela shacks Rio-style.

    And look around you, Jews do fine—they practice Al Sharpton-style tribalism.

    Trump was on the verge of becoming the first white Al Sharpton. But he’s more interested in flooding America with Indian H1Bs than anything else.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    They work nice affirmative action sinecures and collect nice salaries and benefits from the rest of you suckers.

    You are confusing the Talented Tenth from the vast majority of blacks among whom bastardized is norm and average income is well below that of whites.

    • Replies: @Coag
    @Twinkie

    They’re still punching above their weight. Lumpenproletarian blacks have access to some of the best food, healthcare, and housing in the world. They can get elite world class healthcare any time they walk into a top academic emergency room typically built in their neighborhoods. Their nutrition is so rich and even excessive they are some of the heaviest people in the world. As Steve has pointed out they occupy some of the choicest real estate in the entire world, often with free and subsidized housing, water, and electricity. It comes from whitey. And whitey feels obligated to provide it. Chicago is even giving out free electricity. We all subsidize the free emergency room visits. It’s free manna!

    Tribalism works. Al Sharpton knows the gig. Manna falls from the sky on the belligerent tribe in the wilderness, but not on the effete white sucker.

    The day whitey stops giving handouts, black America will literally start living in tin shacks like a slum of Rio De Janeiro or Cape Town.

    , @Redman
    @Twinkie

    And still have a much better quality of life than blacks in any other country on earth. Yet still bitch about racism non-stop.

    Yet not one of them wants to leave this racist hellhole.

  164. anon[118] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie
    @res

    I believe in criminal sanction or at least a hefty fine for making a false report to the police - that goes for people of any race (Jussie Smollet, Amy Cooper, people who do “SWATting,” etc.). And I don’t look too kindly on people who let their dogs loose in public either - and I am a dog lover par excellence.

    What he did was at best “too nosy,” something that can be dealt with easily by ignoring, waking away, or, gasp, leashing the dog as the law requires.

    Replies: @anon

    I believe in criminal sanction or at least a hefty fine for making a false report to the police

    Ok, so what? What level of crime do you suppose this misdemeanor is? Are you going to your state legislature to make the crime into a low level felony? I doubt it.

    For the third time: this is a misdemeanor that is rarely prosecuted. There are reasons for that. You’re intelligent, think about those reasons.

    Why would this misdemeanor be rarely prosecuted. Randomness or something else?

    PS: A big shout-out to Art Deco who missed the point in a previous comment thread! How ya doin’? Learned to say “Oops, I was wrong” yet? No? Well, keep workin’ on it!

  165. tz1 says:

    But but but: The woman refused to leash her dog in an area where it was required! She should have been arrested and charged!

    He should have called the cops on her first. And either/both should have started recording the incident.

    Here is where the (literally?) white knights come out. Let me flip the image. Some strange woman with an out of control vicious dog she refuses to leash when asked nicely is there and you are afraid to be bitten. So you try to control the dog she won’t and she gets mad. Why the feminazi’s are always right virtue signalling?

    You want thousands of pickayune stupid laws and regulations, well, I can probably dial 911 every few minutes to report anyone.

    Or do you support red flag laws and killing anyone who might come to the door with a gun when the accused is raided at 2am by police who don’t announce themselves because “someone felt threatened”. This is the type 1 error where swatting gets people killed – and never the police.

    If we had police who weren’t turned into paranoid perpetual PSTD sufferers (see http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/02/us/training-officers-to-shoot-first-and-he-will-answer-questions-later.html ) who would just respond, one officer could calmly question each person, and resolve things it might make sense.

    That is NOT NYC. The main reason I’m deep in flyover country. Lets say she called the cops, and while “asking” demanded he be put in handcuffs, then if he even had a reflexive jerk would be beaten half to death. Would that be a better outcome? SWATting lite? Which is what this Karen was threatening instead of leashing her dog and leaving. Would she have claimed he attempted to rape her? Believe all women? Or she called the cops and was issued a citation or arrested for not leashing her dog?

    Oh, or if it ended up as another case of puppycide. The police arrive, and the dog runs at them (it was not on a leash) and they shoot the dog. That happens every few hours across the USA including to leashed dogs.

    And there are more than a few cases where people called the police for something and ended up dead at their hands. Or welfare checks end up with someone who was ok until the police killed them.

    I’m sick of Pangloss and Polyanna revised timelines. We only know, imperfectly, what did happen between two argumentative people who decided to see who could out-Karen the other. We don’t know “The Butterfly Effect” alternate timelines and they could be worse.
    We are seriously messed up, to the point that there is no rational good outcome.

    • Replies: @jsm
    @tz1


    strange woman with an out of control vicious dog
     
    A cocker spaniel?

    Replies: @anon

  166. @Jack D
    @Jane Plain

    Even before she called 911, she told Cooper ""I'm going to tell [the police] there's an African-American man threatening my life." So no, she had planned her use of the race card in advance.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Jane Plain, @Redman

    You’re right.

    I stand corrected – I re-read the article right after the time to edit my comment had expired.

    Amy Cooper is a fruitcake. But we will all rue the consequences of this relative nothingburger. Except for Charlotte Allen, who welcomes it.

  167. @The Alarmist
    @Rob McX


    Well, he’s probably the only black man in the history of the world who’s ever tweeted, “I pull out the dog treats I carry for just such intransigence”.
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgRE6BPhN2I

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    This was the only proper response from Karen to Jaqueefius:

    • LOL: The Alarmist
    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @ScarletNumber

    Well, if you're going to go down in flames, which she did, why not go with all guns blazing?

  168. The First Rule of White Club: Never side with a black against a white.

    The Second Rule of White Club: NEVER side with a black against a white.

    The Third Rule of White Club: Around blacks, NEVER relax.

  169. @Charlotte Allen
    @Jane Plain

    Lynching sounds too good for that girl. She's a blight on the female sex and a threat to animals.

    Replies: @Jane Plain

    Alrighty!

    I assume then that you think that the Minneapolis cop who kneeled on George Floyd’s neck and asphyxiated him should swing next to Amy Cooper, and that you equate a tantrum with the death of a man?

    “Lynching sounds too good.”

    Be more specific. What should we do with the Karen? Be specific.

    • Replies: @Charlotte Allen
    @Jane Plain

    I think it's you who needs more specificity.

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @Jane Plain

  170. @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    Ironically, the police showed up much later if at all – when seconds count the police are minutes away.
     
    If you told them you were about to shoot up a school full of black children, they’d show up very quickly.

    Replies: @Truth

    Well now, if you told them you were going to shoot up Stuvysant High School, I’m assuming the pigs would make haste as well. We wouldn’t want to lose our next generation of Chinese, Bio Lab Grad Assistants.

  171. @ScarletNumber
    @Truth

    If by "great question" you mean a really fucking dumb one, sure.

    Replies: @Truth

    What was dumb about it? She broke the law by not leashing her dog. That’s along the level of tresspassing, he had every right to make a citizen’s arrest; right?

  172. @Athletic and Whitesplosive
    @Twinkie


    There is no trade-off in this when people have discernment and exercise good judgment (dangerous black men don’t approach with “The rules say you should leash your dog here, ma’am”). 
     
    You think things don't ever escalate from a fairly innocuous exchange when you're potentially dealing with an unstable person you don't know? Come on. I haven't cared to look up the video (about this piece of un-news) but actually saying "you're not gonna like what I do," is certainly vaguely threatening. Shaming women into being less likely to call the police when feeling vaguely threatened by a black man will get more women killed full stop.

    Look, obviously this broad's a dumbass, but until we design a world without dumbasses it's better that fewer of them are badly hurt or killed because of it. She's not the first self-concerned airhead to run into or antagonize a surly negro, and plenty have ended up a lot worse because they didn't call the cops when they had the chance.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @Twinkie

    Shaming women into being less likely to call the police when feeling vaguely threatened by a black man will get more women killed full stop.

    A feature, not a bug

  173. @black sea
    If someone in a public space points out to you that your dog has to be on a leash, and particularly if you already know that you're required to leash your dog but you simply decide to ignore this regulation, then the only appropriate response is to put Fluffy on a leash.

    I'm sure that it annoyed her to be filmed during this encounter, but being annoyed isn't a reason to call the police, and claiming that her life was being threatened simply isn't convincing. Had she really felt that her life was in danger, rather than standing there and jawing with the guy, she would would have been hauling ass out of there, with or without her little dog.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    No, there is no expectation to follow the rules when there isn’t an enforcer there. Jaqueefius should have minded his own business.

    • Agree: Redman
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @ScarletNumber


    there is no expectation to follow the rules when there isn’t an enforcer there.
     
    Really? Do you shoplift if there are no witnesses? Kill people?

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

  174. @Charlotte Allen
    This is where I get off the Steve train.

    I live in Washington DC and for the past 18 years in a neighborhood that is half gentrified and half 100 percent black housing projects. One of the things you quickly learn for your own safety on the sidewalks and on the Metro is how to distinguish ordinary black men minding their business (which is most of them) from thugs. If you can't do that, you're a hysterical fool like Amy Cooper who couldn't tell the difference in broad daylight and thus shouldn't be living in a city. The thugs are uniformly young (teens to 25 or so), loud, usually traveling in groups, and of distinctly gangsta appearance: locs, tattoos, pant waists down below the boxer shorts, in the summer often no shirt. Those black males are to be avoided at all costs--which is something that respectable black people do. If she had run screaming for the police from one or more (usually more) of that type, and he had turned out to be a Rhodes scholar, that would have been a "false positive."

    I'm glad that Franklin Templeton fired her. My husband and I have some of our savings in Franklin Templeton, and I don't want my money managed by a 42-year-old single woman in NYC who: 1) calls herself a "dog mom" and the dogs she owns her "babies"; 2) wears a coronavirus mask while walking on a virtually unpopulated trail in the early morning; 3) has so little social awareness that she can't tell the difference between a thug and some middle-aged black guy in a T-shirt; 4) disregards the leash law on an environmentally fragile trail because "fur baby" is so precious; 5) obviously calls the police without provocation while remembering to be oh-so-politically correct (she says "African-American"? C'mon!); and 6) gets so emotionally wrought up that she tortures the dog in the process (I could scarcely watch that prolonged strangling on the video as she repeatedly dragged the choking animal by its collar).

    Sorry, but I feel zero sympathy for this woman. She needs to get out of money management.

    Replies: @SFG, @VinnyVette, @Testing12, @Jane Plain, @Jane Plain, @Kaz, @Dave Pinsen

    Did she actually call herself a “dog mom”?

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @Dave Pinsen


    Did she actually call herself a “dog mom”?
     
    The irony is she more likely than not is a SJW in her spare time. The dog, Henry, was a rescue dog. Then again, maybe she was merely passing as a SJW. The funniest quote out of the story was one of her dog walkers saying she was kind of weird. No, she's Canadian; it's hard to distinguish Canadian from weird at times. But if she really treated the dog like it was her child, where's the dog's freaking mask?

    https://heavy.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/amy-cooper-dog-henry-instagram.jpg?quality=65&strip=all&w=398

    , @Charlotte Allen
    @Dave Pinsen

    Yeah.

    https://heavy.com/news/2020/05/amy-cooper-video-new-york/

  175. @Anon
    @Twinkie


    You want whites to be like blacks? Has Al Sharpton-style tribalism worked out for anyone but Al Sharpton? How are ordinary black people doing?
     
    False choice.

    Tribalism 100% relies on the ability of people to effectively execute it. Merely stating its existence or will toward it is fairly meaningless.

    The broader Black group effectively lacks that ability for a variety of reasons and across a variety of measurements to include:

    the ability to interpersonally cooperate over long stretches and against self-interest,
    the ability to successfully raise a nuclear family and keep it together
    low crime rates within the group
    high in-group trust
    high rates of civic participation
    etc.

    This is why its politically safe to offer Blacks tribalism, and even to construct some superficial legs of it for them: they lack the innate ability to finish its construction and effectively maintain it.

    Whites broadly speaking, and on the other hand, do not lack the ability to execute on it and this is why it is prohibited to them.

    Jews are the only group truly allowed unrestricted tribalism because they control enough strings to be in charge.

    If tribalism "didn't work out", then it wouldn't be the primary vehicle for Jews.

    The truth is that individualism, outside of necessarily government free frontier societies, is a Jewish political invention and poison pill meant for shit-tier-IQ Whites to steer them away from something effective (tribalism). It is a competition reduction tool for Jews.

    Anyone without a politically effective tribe has the social and political status of a slave because they have no political power. Full stop.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Rob McX

    Whites broadly speaking, and on the other hand, do not lack the ability to execute on it and this is why it is prohibited to them.

    Jews are the only group truly allowed unrestricted tribalism because they control enough strings to be in charge.

    Tribalism is a lot easier when you are 2% of a population and have a strong sense of religious and cultural alienation. A tribe is not what you think it is. It requires a strong social cohesion that is virtually impossible with 200 million people.

    • Replies: @Coag
    @Twinkie

    Sure, with the constant drumbeat of cosmopolitan and centrifugal propaganda no aggregate of population can ever develop any sort of tribal identity. But why do you want to impede those who want to cultivate tribalism? It may take generations to come to fruition but you gotta start somewhere.

    Btw there are collections of people in this world upwards of 1 billion or more who exhibit tribal behaviors and tribal orientations. Your 200 million number is trivial.

  176. @ANON
    @Bill P

    Good comment. I agree. As a former investigator I was often shocked by the crap some guys have to go through— seemingly unjust stuff— and how stoically many of them handled it. A lot of them black and Hispanic. These are the 95% who try to do the right thing even when dealt BS from law enforcement and the courts. Their stories are never heard because they’re not newsworthy. Reading trending stories on social media or MSM or featured by Paul Kersey would give you a very distorted view of how things actually are. It would be good if people went to their local courthouse and perused the docket and sat in on some court cases.

    There are a lot of horrible women out there and if you happen to be the man who involves with them you will have a rollercoaster life at best and most likely will be emotionally, mentally, and physically damaged if not destroyed. And law enforcement and the courts are totally on the side of the woman. Often law enforcement will apologize to the male involved in a 911 call before telling them that their (LEO’s) hands are tied and the male must be arrested and booked. In a domestic situation, or civil divorce/child custody case, law enforcement and the courts act as women’s advocates.

    I don’t say this as someone who’s ever been arrested or divorced. I say this as someone who’s spent a lot of time in courthouses and interviewing people. I saw how getting involved with the wrong woman could potentially be life-destroying and I therefore saw to it that I never get involved with such a woman. I.e., a woman who possessed any of the behaviors or displayed any of the warning signs of a bitch or nag or unstable woman. As a young man I dated all the above. I went for looks and T & A. And in every one of those relationships, I — as an opinionated, temperamental, stubborn, and argumentative guy— was miserable and the relationship quickly devolved into drama and bitter fights and temporary break-ups. I never had a premarital relationship last longer than 1.5-2 years.

    So when it came to looking for a wife I was methodical in choosing the right one. I waited for one with all the right character traits. I found her. So now in my first and only marriage I have gone decades with only a few mild arguments (which were quickly resolved the same day). Involving with the wrong woman can be a soul-crushing hell. Being married to the right woman is a source of constant happiness and joy, heavenly.

    Replies: @VinnyVette, @Bill P

    Did you have to investigate dv cases? Family law is really like a butcher shop, isn’t it?

    Every young man should be taken to family court for an afternoon just to see how things can turn out.

  177. @Twinkie
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Nah, he’s just being a juvenile racist jackass, and I’m just pointing out that if he weren’t a walking heart attack, he might feel less insecure and stop engaging in third grade racist banter. He has a complete control over the object of my retort.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Dave Pinsen

    Nah, he’s just being a juvenile racist jackass …

    The exchange was cute though, especially in the obscure context of the amusing judo/physique tiffs you guys had a while back—which I’m sure neither of you have forgotten. 🙂

    I’ll admit I never expected you guys to get into a personal snit—both your comment ‘brands’ in general have a tone of sober rationality (although he may be a little more ‘chill’ than you… veev ladeefa ronts as they say in French Harlem).

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    he may be a little more ‘chill’
     
    Didn’t take too long for his facade to fall and he started to resort to racial insults though.
  178. @Charlotte Allen
    @Testing12

    The upper middle class's current weird obsession with dogs is nauseating. Cook for your dog? Bake cookies for your dog? Knit sweaters for your dog? Take your dog to a dog hairdresser and dog nail salon? Buy a birthday present for your dog's birthday? People actually do this stuff! (Check out the pet food aisle at your local supermarket: gourmet burgers, etc.) The worst offenders are single women. They are all over the place with their rambunctious canines in my neighborhood. They won't get married and have kids (and no one wants to marry the older ones), for fear of losing their "independence", but they happily chain themselves to a messy, highly emotionally dependent animal that has a nervous breakdown when left alone for a few days while the owner takes a vacation. I'd never get a dog unless I had kids. Dogs are good for teaching kids responsibility and they like to horse around, which kids love.

    Replies: @Znzn, @Znzn, @SunBakedSuburb, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Alden, @anon, @slumber_j, @ScarletNumber

    Les McCann is right there with you, a little after the 3:00 mark:

  179. @Joe Stalin
    @Dave Pinsen

    "I pull out the dog treats I carry for just such intransigence."

    In other words, he knows animal behavior. He came to show dominance over the 'dog people.' He knows EXACTLY what he is doing and is not some innocent in the park. He came to engage and prevail in the social interaction HE PREPARED FOR. And unfortunately, the lady did not have the presence of mine to turn on her cell phone camera so we could see what she saw in terms of body language. A muscular man trying to lure her animal from her.

    Replies: @Redman, @Dr. Krieger

    Absolutely. How many white women that didn’t call the cops when confronted by a black male, are dead now?
    Anybody taking the side of the black man in this disgusts me.
    Amy Cooper is being lynched because she is white. Period. Full stop.
    You either stick up for whites or you’re shilling for Jews and their black henchmen. It’s just that simple.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Dr. Krieger


    Anybody taking the side of the black man in this disgusts me.
    Amy Cooper is being lynched because she is white. Period. Full stop.
    You either stick up for whites or you’re shilling for Jews and their black henchmen. It’s just that simple.

     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7edeOEuXdMU
    , @notsaying
    @Dr. Krieger

    No thanks. That's not how I want to live. I want to be free to have my own opinions.

  180. Coag says:
    @Twinkie
    @Coag


    They work nice affirmative action sinecures and collect nice salaries and benefits from the rest of you suckers.
     
    You are confusing the Talented Tenth from the vast majority of blacks among whom bastardized is norm and average income is well below that of whites.

    Replies: @Coag, @Redman

    They’re still punching above their weight. Lumpenproletarian blacks have access to some of the best food, healthcare, and housing in the world. They can get elite world class healthcare any time they walk into a top academic emergency room typically built in their neighborhoods. Their nutrition is so rich and even excessive they are some of the heaviest people in the world. As Steve has pointed out they occupy some of the choicest real estate in the entire world, often with free and subsidized housing, water, and electricity. It comes from whitey. And whitey feels obligated to provide it. Chicago is even giving out free electricity. We all subsidize the free emergency room visits. It’s free manna!

    Tribalism works. Al Sharpton knows the gig. Manna falls from the sky on the belligerent tribe in the wilderness, but not on the effete white sucker.

    The day whitey stops giving handouts, black America will literally start living in tin shacks like a slum of Rio De Janeiro or Cape Town.

  181. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Twinkie


    Nah, he’s just being a juvenile racist jackass ...
     
    The exchange was cute though, especially in the obscure context of the amusing judo/physique tiffs you guys had a while back—which I’m sure neither of you have forgotten. :)

    I’ll admit I never expected you guys to get into a personal snit—both your comment ‘brands’ in general have a tone of sober rationality (although he may be a little more ‘chill’ than you… veev ladeefa ronts as they say in French Harlem).

    Replies: @Twinkie

    he may be a little more ‘chill’

    Didn’t take too long for his facade to fall and he started to resort to racial insults though.

  182. Coag says:
    @Twinkie
    @Anon


    Whites broadly speaking, and on the other hand, do not lack the ability to execute on it and this is why it is prohibited to them.

    Jews are the only group truly allowed unrestricted tribalism because they control enough strings to be in charge.
     
    Tribalism is a lot easier when you are 2% of a population and have a strong sense of religious and cultural alienation. A tribe is not what you think it is. It requires a strong social cohesion that is virtually impossible with 200 million people.

    Replies: @Coag

    Sure, with the constant drumbeat of cosmopolitan and centrifugal propaganda no aggregate of population can ever develop any sort of tribal identity. But why do you want to impede those who want to cultivate tribalism? It may take generations to come to fruition but you gotta start somewhere.

    Btw there are collections of people in this world upwards of 1 billion or more who exhibit tribal behaviors and tribal orientations. Your 200 million number is trivial.

  183. @ScarletNumber
    @The Alarmist

    This was the only proper response from Karen to Jaqueefius:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DM4-r4pN1PY

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    Well, if you’re going to go down in flames, which she did, why not go with all guns blazing?

  184. @Anonymous
    You might scoff, but paradoxically, my opinion is that the *ONLY* hope for the white race is the rise and rise to full spectrum economic, fiscal, military, technological and political dominance of China.

    In saying this I'm acting in the same manner as the late, great Enoch Powell, a life long committed Conservative, who tore up his Tory membership card and urged British voters, all voters, to vote Labour in the UK General Election of March 1974, due to his, (betrayed), belief that Labour would take Britain out of the EEC.

    My feeling - and I might be wrong - is that despite historical injuries and insults, the Chinese in general have a 'live and let live' attitude towards whites.
    That *definitely* *CANNOT* be said about blacks, subcons or, most importantly of all, the white Economist whipped ruling class western Deep State. All of the above want us destroyed. Make no mistake about that.

    In my own little way I contribute towards this objective by a 'purchase Chinese' policy, often via eBay or alibaba.

    In any event, north America and western Europe will be majority black/brown by population in the latter half of this century, China or no China.

    Replies: @Kratoklastes

    My feeling – and I might be wrong – is that despite historical injuries and insults, the Chinese in general have a ‘live and let live’ attitude towards whites.

    You’re certainly wrong.

    If you have a Chinese acquaintance of ‘drinking buddy’ level, lead the conversation around to HSBC and the Opium Wars.

    Back in the 90s, one of about a dozen students that was part of our regular lunch group was a born-in-Australia ‘assimilated’ Chinese. His nickname was ‘Stick‘, because he used that word to describe stupid people (there’s two bad Australian jokes that caused that – below the ‘MORE’).

    He spoke with no accent; did high school at Haileybury; was on the waiting list for the Melbourne Club. He played cricket well enough to be invited to be a ‘net bowler’ for visiting national teams. And he was shit at mathematics (which is actually true of more than half of the ~300 Asian students I taught).

    Both his parents were anti-CCP, and had no real attachment to modern China – having emigrated in the 1960s. They were reliable voters for ‘conservative’ politics (in Australia that means the Liberal Party).

    Anyhow… this is by way of introduction of an individual whose ‘Chinese-ness’ wasn’t remotely nationalist (or political in any way).

    In 1995 one of our number got a half-decent job offer at HSBC – and of course that lunch session the group discussed it for a while.

    After everyone wandered off, there were five of us left: Stick; two of his flatmates; two of my mates, and me[1].

    One of his flatmates said “You were strangely quiet about HSBC, Stick. I thought you had a strong view?”

    The next five minutes or so was all about how HSBC needs to be expropriated, and that every Chink worth his salt wants to see England, the US and HSBC all destroyed for what they did to China in the 1800s.

    I was intrigued at the venom – this guy was the quintessential ‘networker’, and not given to vituperation – so I asked if that was a common view among Chinese people he knew (although to be frank he didn’t know many). He said it’s universal, according to his parents.

    Over the next couple of weeks he started calling over Chinese students that he didn’t know, and asking them to tell us what they thought about the issue. Often there were prefatory remarks in Cantonese to encourage them that this wasn’t a setup.

    Either he was good at spotting ChinkChinks who thought like him, or the US/England/HSBC sentiment runs a good 75% against.

    They have no issue with ‘white’ per se, although they think we stink and are clumsy and stupid.

    White Aussies/Kiwis/SarthEffrikans/Frogs/Krauts/Canucks… no drama. White Yanks and Poms tho: fuck those guys. Anyone who works at HSBC: set those cunts on fire.

    It’s not dissimilar to how US black activists feel about US slavery, or how Maori feel about the way white people established Crown control over New Zealand.

    It’s invariably only perpetrators of atrocities who do the whole “Let’s let bygones be bygones“/”Let the past stay in the past” thing.

    [1] One of his flatmates was also my mate.

    [MORE]

    The Two Bad Australian ‘Stick’ Jokes

    Q: What’s the technical term for a non-returning boomerang?
    A: A stick

    Q: What’s brown and sticky?
    A: A stick.

    Relevance to calling dumb people ‘Stick’: a non-returning boomerang is useless, and the shit in useless people’s heads is brown and sticky.

  185. @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    @Jack D

    "Frankly, given the way she conducted herself, I would not want her working for my company.... Probably she was a psycho to her co-workers all along"

    Yup, her employer wanted her gone for a long time now but feared a lawsuit, so this 'racist' incident gave them an excuse to pull the trigger.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Yup, her employer wanted her gone for a long time now but feared a lawsuit, so this ‘racist’ incident gave them an excuse to pull the trigger.

    The pandemic is also being used as an excuse to offload previously untouchable deadweights.

  186. @Dave Pinsen
    @Charlotte Allen

    Did she actually call herself a “dog mom”?

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @Charlotte Allen

    Did she actually call herself a “dog mom”?

    The irony is she more likely than not is a SJW in her spare time. The dog, Henry, was a rescue dog. Then again, maybe she was merely passing as a SJW. The funniest quote out of the story was one of her dog walkers saying she was kind of weird. No, she’s Canadian; it’s hard to distinguish Canadian from weird at times. But if she really treated the dog like it was her child, where’s the dog’s freaking mask?

  187. @Charlotte Allen
    @Testing12

    The upper middle class's current weird obsession with dogs is nauseating. Cook for your dog? Bake cookies for your dog? Knit sweaters for your dog? Take your dog to a dog hairdresser and dog nail salon? Buy a birthday present for your dog's birthday? People actually do this stuff! (Check out the pet food aisle at your local supermarket: gourmet burgers, etc.) The worst offenders are single women. They are all over the place with their rambunctious canines in my neighborhood. They won't get married and have kids (and no one wants to marry the older ones), for fear of losing their "independence", but they happily chain themselves to a messy, highly emotionally dependent animal that has a nervous breakdown when left alone for a few days while the owner takes a vacation. I'd never get a dog unless I had kids. Dogs are good for teaching kids responsibility and they like to horse around, which kids love.

    Replies: @Znzn, @Znzn, @SunBakedSuburb, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Alden, @anon, @slumber_j, @ScarletNumber

    Dogs … like to horse around

    Pun intended?

  188. @Athletic and Whitesplosive
    @Twinkie


    There is no trade-off in this when people have discernment and exercise good judgment (dangerous black men don’t approach with “The rules say you should leash your dog here, ma’am”). 
     
    You think things don't ever escalate from a fairly innocuous exchange when you're potentially dealing with an unstable person you don't know? Come on. I haven't cared to look up the video (about this piece of un-news) but actually saying "you're not gonna like what I do," is certainly vaguely threatening. Shaming women into being less likely to call the police when feeling vaguely threatened by a black man will get more women killed full stop.

    Look, obviously this broad's a dumbass, but until we design a world without dumbasses it's better that fewer of them are badly hurt or killed because of it. She's not the first self-concerned airhead to run into or antagonize a surly negro, and plenty have ended up a lot worse because they didn't call the cops when they had the chance.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @Twinkie

    I haven’t cared to look up the video

    Why don’t you spend 1 minute doing that and come back?

    • LOL: Truth
  189. @Twinkie
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Nah, he’s just being a juvenile racist jackass, and I’m just pointing out that if he weren’t a walking heart attack, he might feel less insecure and stop engaging in third grade racist banter. He has a complete control over the object of my retort.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Dave Pinsen

    I’ve made my name and appearance public, and you haven’t, but I’m the insecure one? For all I know, you’re fatter than me.

    • Replies: @Coag
    @Dave Pinsen

    He’s an ectomorphic Asian. They all look the same. See one, see all. You’re fatter than him.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Dave Pinsen

    , @Twinkie
    @Dave Pinsen


    I’ve made my name and appearance public, and you haven’t, but I’m the insecure one?
     
    Desire for privacy has little to do with psychological insecurity. It’s a matter of prudence for someone in my position. If I were to expound forth my frank, heterodox views without a nome de plume, how long do you think it will take for some nosy SJW to out me and demand the board of the institution I serve as a director to expel me?

    I called you insecure because you so quickly degenerated into launching the basest form of racial insults - and more than once.

    For all I know, you’re fatter than me.
     
    Sure, you don’t know. But I’m East Asian. Given the relative average obesity numbers among races, how likely do you think it is that I am morbidly obese? On top of that, I’m someone who’s done Judo for 40+ years and BJJ for over 20. How likely is that I’m that fat? Of course, I could be lying about my Judo and BJJ credentials, but get anyone remotely knowledgeable about either to query me on the technical aspects and it becomes clear that I know waaaay beyond the level of someone who’s pretending (that’s happened a couple of times here).

    For what it’s worth, I’m 6’2” and have fluctuated no more than 10 lbs or so of my current weight 185 lbs my whole adult life, except when I competed in Judo (and cut weight) and was lighter. And I’ve been following Pavel Tsatsouline’s model of going for what he calls functional, wiry strength for decades.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

  190. @Dave Pinsen
    @Twinkie

    I've made my name and appearance public, and you haven't, but I'm the insecure one? For all I know, you're fatter than me.

    Replies: @Coag, @Twinkie

    He’s an ectomorphic Asian. They all look the same. See one, see all. You’re fatter than him.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Coag

    I’m mostly a mesomorph.

    When you compete in Judo at a high level, it’s not unusual to have this kind of physique:

    https://worcesterboymma.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/ishii.jpg

    https://external-preview.redd.it/VUwmqb8FWVTQ0CiQ1G9IsAW5R9LxUwWRX9KUE8Lq_kg.jpg?auto=webp&s=a232ff0a620b6289982f32c8e47ec58a000cffcd

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @Coag

    They're not all ectomorphs. E.g.,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzWq_dzcfpw

    Replies: @Twinkie

  191. @Jack D
    @Jane Plain

    Even before she called 911, she told Cooper ""I'm going to tell [the police] there's an African-American man threatening my life." So no, she had planned her use of the race card in advance.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Jane Plain, @Redman

    My point (which Steve refuses to clear for some reason) is so what?

    The history of argument is playing whatever “card” pisses off the person who has just pissed you off. Have you never had a public confrontation?

    It’s atavistic. You always go for the balls of your opponent in a one on one confrontation. A man would have noticed Mr. Cooper (The Karen here) was gay and probably called him a faggot. I’m not saying it’s smart, just that it’s hard wired in our nature. So understandable.

    Attempting to attack a guy pointing a shot gun at you is definitely not understandable.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Redman

    I have mentioned before that Ms. Cooper was (maybe*) winning on tactics but lost (bigtime) on strategy. This is not the 7th grade playground. This is modern America with social media and she KNEW that she was being filmed. How is pulling the race card working out for her? I agree that if Mr. Cooper was, say Southern White and she called him a cracker or a hick or something, absolutely nothing would have happened to her. WOP, Mick, Kraut, whatever - crickets. But he wasn't, he was black. She should have known where to go and where NOT to go in America 2020, even under stress.

    * maybe because NYC 2020 is not rural Alabama 1955. "An African-American man is threatening me" didn't really seem to excite the 911 operator that much and it would have excited the NYC Cops who eventually arrived long after both Coopers were gone (who probably would have been non-white themselves) even less.

    Replies: @Alden

    , @Jane Plain
    @Redman

    I called her a bunny boiler.

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/amy-cooper-once-claimed-her-ex-lover-bilked-her-out-of-65g

  192. @res
    @Twinkie

    Do you think the respective treatment of the two of them has been both reasonable and proportionate?

    What do you think an appropriate resolution/punishment would have been for this unfortunate situation?

    I agree with much of the criticism of her, but I think the response has gotten way out of hand.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Redman

    The response had gotten out of hand because she’s managed to piss off the 2 most irrational demos possible. Blacks and dog lovers.

    A perfect storm. Very bad luck.

  193. @Twinkie
    @Coag


    They work nice affirmative action sinecures and collect nice salaries and benefits from the rest of you suckers.
     
    You are confusing the Talented Tenth from the vast majority of blacks among whom bastardized is norm and average income is well below that of whites.

    Replies: @Coag, @Redman

    And still have a much better quality of life than blacks in any other country on earth. Yet still bitch about racism non-stop.

    Yet not one of them wants to leave this racist hellhole.

  194. Amy Cooper was wrong from the start. She should have leashes the dog and go.

    But the the guy said (NY Post) : « Look, if you’re going to do what you want, I’m going to do what I want, but you’re not going to like it » and then he tries to feed her dog.

    How on earth wasn’t it a possibility that he would kill her dog and then assault her ? The statement was extremelly threatening.

    Probably they are two autistic people … It’s more a problem a high IQ mental health than racism and poverty for sure.

  195. @ScarletNumber
    @black sea

    No, there is no expectation to follow the rules when there isn't an enforcer there. Jaqueefius should have minded his own business.

    Replies: @Jack D

    there is no expectation to follow the rules when there isn’t an enforcer there.

    Really? Do you shoplift if there are no witnesses? Kill people?

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @Jack D

    No, because those are actual crimes and if caught I could get into serious trouble.

    Not leashing your dog is equivalent to a parking ticket. If I knew the meter reader was out sick that day, I wouldn't put money in the meter.

    Similarly, if I'm on a bridge where there can't be any cops, I go as fast as I feel comfortable going.

  196. @Dave Pinsen
    @Twinkie

    I've made my name and appearance public, and you haven't, but I'm the insecure one? For all I know, you're fatter than me.

    Replies: @Coag, @Twinkie

    I’ve made my name and appearance public, and you haven’t, but I’m the insecure one?

    Desire for privacy has little to do with psychological insecurity. It’s a matter of prudence for someone in my position. If I were to expound forth my frank, heterodox views without a nome de plume, how long do you think it will take for some nosy SJW to out me and demand the board of the institution I serve as a director to expel me?

    I called you insecure because you so quickly degenerated into launching the basest form of racial insults – and more than once.

    For all I know, you’re fatter than me.

    Sure, you don’t know. But I’m East Asian. Given the relative average obesity numbers among races, how likely do you think it is that I am morbidly obese? On top of that, I’m someone who’s done Judo for 40+ years and BJJ for over 20. How likely is that I’m that fat? Of course, I could be lying about my Judo and BJJ credentials, but get anyone remotely knowledgeable about either to query me on the technical aspects and it becomes clear that I know waaaay beyond the level of someone who’s pretending (that’s happened a couple of times here).

    For what it’s worth, I’m 6’2” and have fluctuated no more than 10 lbs or so of my current weight 185 lbs my whole adult life, except when I competed in Judo (and cut weight) and was lighter. And I’ve been following Pavel Tsatsouline’s model of going for what he calls functional, wiry strength for decades.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Twinkie

    Congratulations on your long judo and jujitsu career. I'm sorry for saying years ago that judo wasn't an entertaining spectator sport (it isn't, but I didn't mean to cause you offense).

    And I'm sorry for suggesting you should open your eyes wider. I think you were credulous in your reading of Christian Cooper's comments after he and his sister ruined someone's life over a kerfuffle, but that has nothing to do with you being Asian. I love Asians, in fact. One of my favorite races. My old Korean classmate from my karate days texted me recently to check in. He's a good guy, and we still consider each other "brothers in the dojo". Maybe we'll both get back into it after the lock downs (we met up at a reunion last year).

    Pavel's not bad. He's gotten into barbells in recent years, but kettlebells are good too. I was going to buy one recently, but the weight I was interested in was sold out.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  197. @Jane Plain
    @Charlotte Allen

    Alrighty!

    I assume then that you think that the Minneapolis cop who kneeled on George Floyd's neck and asphyxiated him should swing next to Amy Cooper, and that you equate a tantrum with the death of a man?

    "Lynching sounds too good."

    Be more specific. What should we do with the Karen? Be specific.

    Replies: @Charlotte Allen

    I think it’s you who needs more specificity.

    • Replies: @Jane Plain
    @Charlotte Allen

    Pretty weak tea, Charlotte. I don't shock easily. You showed your colors.

    , @Jane Plain
    @Charlotte Allen

    But since you asked, here's some specifics.

    https://www.newsweek.com/nyc-commission-human-rights-investigate-amy-cooper-white-woman-who-called-cops-black-man-1506805

    Happy now?

  198. @Redman
    @Jack D

    My point (which Steve refuses to clear for some reason) is so what?

    The history of argument is playing whatever “card” pisses off the person who has just pissed you off. Have you never had a public confrontation?

    It’s atavistic. You always go for the balls of your opponent in a one on one confrontation. A man would have noticed Mr. Cooper (The Karen here) was gay and probably called him a faggot. I’m not saying it’s smart, just that it’s hard wired in our nature. So understandable.

    Attempting to attack a guy pointing a shot gun at you is definitely not understandable.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Jane Plain

    I have mentioned before that Ms. Cooper was (maybe*) winning on tactics but lost (bigtime) on strategy. This is not the 7th grade playground. This is modern America with social media and she KNEW that she was being filmed. How is pulling the race card working out for her? I agree that if Mr. Cooper was, say Southern White and she called him a cracker or a hick or something, absolutely nothing would have happened to her. WOP, Mick, Kraut, whatever – crickets. But he wasn’t, he was black. She should have known where to go and where NOT to go in America 2020, even under stress.

    * maybe because NYC 2020 is not rural Alabama 1955. “An African-American man is threatening me” didn’t really seem to excite the 911 operator that much and it would have excited the NYC Cops who eventually arrived long after both Coopers were gone (who probably would have been non-white themselves) even less.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Jack D

    Is African American now considered a racial slur? What’s the new politically correct word for people like Mr Cooper?

    Replies: @Johann Ricke

  199. @Coag
    @Dave Pinsen

    He’s an ectomorphic Asian. They all look the same. See one, see all. You’re fatter than him.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Dave Pinsen

    I’m mostly a mesomorph.

    When you compete in Judo at a high level, it’s not unusual to have this kind of physique:

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Twinkie

    This is an Olympic-level judoka.

    http://images.theage.com.au/2012/08/03/3526533/ds_03_blas_729_20120803201620836491.jpg

    Replies: @Twinkie

  200. @Coag
    @Dave Pinsen

    He’s an ectomorphic Asian. They all look the same. See one, see all. You’re fatter than him.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Dave Pinsen

    They’re not all ectomorphs. E.g.,

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Dave Pinsen

    That guy doesn't look East Asian. He looks Southeast Asian.

  201. @Dave Pinsen
    @Charlotte Allen

    Did she actually call herself a “dog mom”?

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @Charlotte Allen

  202. @Twinkie
    @Coag

    I’m mostly a mesomorph.

    When you compete in Judo at a high level, it’s not unusual to have this kind of physique:

    https://worcesterboymma.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/ishii.jpg

    https://external-preview.redd.it/VUwmqb8FWVTQ0CiQ1G9IsAW5R9LxUwWRX9KUE8Lq_kg.jpg?auto=webp&s=a232ff0a620b6289982f32c8e47ec58a000cffcd

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    This is an Olympic-level judoka.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Dave Pinsen

    Yeah, at the highest weight category - the least competitive divion. That's not what most Olympic Judoka look like. But I figured you'd respond with something like this. Yes, there are obese athletes.

    See:

    https://youtu.be/2HgLr4Ege5c

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

  203. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:

    She probably remembers that poor student who got whacked out by the young black thugs up near Columbia.

    Never relax.

    Now that they sprung Rikers open and the rich moved outa the city Ive been rewatching taxi driver.

    City running out of cash again too, its going to be a dystopian hell full of roving packs of corona’d pocs desperate for clorquine and victims.

  204. @Bill P
    Like the issue of police shootings, women using police to bully men is not necessarily a racial phenomenon. Before black lives matter, police were shooting lots of people, black and white, in questionable circumstances. However, this being 21st century America, race needs to be injected into the discussion before it becomes "serious."

    The truth is that the people most likely to call the police on black men are probably black women. I've seen black women shamelessly threaten black men with the police merely for having the temerity to stand up for themselves in their own homes. However, this is by no means a purely black phenomenon. White women do it all the time as well.

    "Believe all women" attitudes, pervasive due to feminism, lead directly to this behavior. There are countless men who have been jailed merely on the say so of some lying woman like Ms. Cooper. Mostly this gets zero attention, and the true victims, mostly white men, get zero sympathy. Fortunately, good cops (most of them), are well aware of this problem and try to cajole the truth out of women before doing anything drastic.

    It isn't ideal that blacks get to own this issue, but I'll take it as better than nothing. As I wrote in a previous thread's comment, something similar happened to me less than a week ago. I was able to prevent the woman from calling the cops, but only because it was not the first time this has happened to me and I knew how to neutralize her threat. In fact, I can't count all the times I've had women threaten me with authorities, almost always because I called them out on their own bad behavior. That seems to be what provokes them the most.

    If that dog lady lied in her police call, she should do jail time. Every woman who makes a false police report should, at the very least, be booked for the crime. Sure, the jails would be overflowing for a while, but eventually they would learn their lesson and the culture would change for the better.

    I don't believe that lies are the same as type I errors. A lie is not an error. There's a big distinction there. This conflation of the two is feminist sleight of hand. Maybe the racial issue is also contributing to muddled thinking here, but the underlying issue is female abuse of authority, and it has been a problem in the US for decades.

    Ironically, it is black women who may stand to lose the most power if there is a cultural change in this regard. I've spent time in family court, and near the courtrooms there's a little window where guys who got in trouble over domestic disputes line up to check in. I remember taking a good look at that line, relieved I wasn't in it (I was lucky -- it wasn't for lack of effort on my ex's part), and noticing how many black guys were there. I'm sure there were plenty of guilty men in that line, but I grew up around a lot of blacks and saw how vindictive their women can be, so I'm equally sure that there were quite a few totally innocent men unfairly dragged through that process because some angry woman picked up the phone, called the cops and lied through her teeth.

    Replies: @ANON, @Alden, @Jane Plain, @anon, @Alden, @Marty

    About 15 years ago I was in a holding tank at Santa Rita after an admin screw-up on a citation I had paid. There with me was a 20-year old black kid with dreds, a football player who was in the process of transferring from Idaho to Northern Arizona. He gets on the phone to his girlfriend to instruct her to sell a gun to raise bail. While he’s waiting for her to find it, he says to me, “whatchoo in for man, dmestic vylince?”

  205. @Alden
    @anonymous

    I have nothing but contempt for most dog owners b cause their dogs and untrained and completely control the owners. But her dog didn’t approach the. man. He carries dog treats and frequents the park. He throws the treats to dogs hoping the dog will come to him and he can confront the dog owner.

    Amy Cooper is now being investigated by the Nee York Human Rights Commission. The reason the liberals are making such a fuss about this is that they have long wanted to make it a crime to call the police on a black person unless the black person actually is committing a felony.

    Here’s a common situation. White woman on her way home from work after her 10 or 11 pm shift ends goes into 7/11 to pick up something. She notices 3 black men sitting in a car in a dark spot in the parking lot. She dallies inside the store She sees they are still sitting there. There’s also a bus stop on that corner.

    She’s correct in assuming that the 3 black men are waiting to see a lone person getting off the bus and walking home so they can rob him or her. Or, waiting for someone driving they can follow home and rob.

    Correct police procedure if they see a parked car after dark with 1 or more men just to sitting there is to ask them what they’re doing and for ID. Often the men have warrants out and criminal records.

    And robbers and rapists do frequent parks. My kids were out playing in Land’s End the day David Carpenter ( White serial killer) accosted and killed one of his victims in Lands End National Park about 2 blocks from our house. All his victims were young women in state and national parks

    There was another serial killer who grabbed women walking on the sidewalk that ran along Golden Gate Park. There was tall thick shrubbery and he just stepped out behind them and grabbed them.

    Replies: @Truth

    The reason the liberals are making such a fuss about this is that they have long wanted to make it a crime to call the police on a black person unless the black person actually is committing a felony.

    LMAO!

    Well, Duh!

  206. “Attempting to attack a guy pointing a shot gun at you is definitely not understandable.”

    I assume you are talking about the Arbery case. Travis McMichael was holding the shotgun. In the public video he does not clearly point it at Arbery (which would be aggravated assault) prior to Arbery rushing him. Arbery gambled he could catch Travis by surprise (which it appears he almost did) if he rushed him as he came around the front of the pickup. This was a fatal mistake but understandable if Arbery was terrified. Panic is not conducive to rational thought.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @James B. Shearer

    Poor Arbery he watched too many movies and TV shows.

  207. @Dr. Krieger
    @Joe Stalin

    Absolutely. How many white women that didn't call the cops when confronted by a black male, are dead now?
    Anybody taking the side of the black man in this disgusts me.
    Amy Cooper is being lynched because she is white. Period. Full stop.
    You either stick up for whites or you're shilling for Jews and their black henchmen. It's just that simple.

    Replies: @Truth, @notsaying

    Anybody taking the side of the black man in this disgusts me.
    Amy Cooper is being lynched because she is white. Period. Full stop.
    You either stick up for whites or you’re shilling for Jews and their black henchmen. It’s just that simple.

  208. @peterike
    The Dog Lady pile on continues. Get this.

    The New York City Commission on Human Rights has announced that it is launching an investigation into the case of the white dog-walker who called the cops on a black man in Central Park.

    “At a time when the devastating impacts of racism in Black communities have been made so painfully clear—from racial disparities in COVID-19 outcomes, to harassment of essential workers on the frontlines—it is appalling to see these types of ugly threats directed at one New Yorker by another,” said Sapna Raj, deputy commissioner of the Law Enforcement Bureau at the Commission on Human Rights.
     

    So now we have a Subcon gleefully taking aim at a white woman. Next step: she will be charged with a hate crime. Just you wait.

    Remember the great Prada hate crime of 2018 when they had "blackface" on a bag?

    https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2018/12/prada-bag.jpg

    Sapna Raj was there to let us all know:

    “Black New Yorkers face discrimination and bias every day. To see racist Jim Crow-era imagery so patently on display at an international luxury retailer’s storefront is appalling and not tolerated in our city,” Raj said.

    Sapna Raj on the right. Why is this nauseating witch in my country?

    https://miro.medium.com/max/1400/1*mqM0vW2p1_GXhBeaF4M7rw.jpeg

    Oh and get this bit from the Komissars.


    The Commission on Human Rights has issued a letter of inquiry to the woman requesting her cooperation in a pre-complaint intervention.

    “The Commission has the authority to fine violators of the law and can award compensatory damages to victims, including emotional distress damages and other benefits,” according to its statement.

    “The Commission can also order trainings on the NYC Human Rights Law, changes to policies, and develop restorative justice relief such as community service and mediated apologies, in lieu of or in addition to fines and monetary relief.”
     

    They'll make her pay Bird Man money, force an apology, and send her to "training."

    Replies: @Rob McX

    We need to take our countries back.

  209. Hey guys, does anyone wonder what the knee-grow point of view is on this story? Many of you seem obsessed so you may as well find out.

    https://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh6aLT2wM81Ymr82C3

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    @Truth

    Thanks for that entertaining window into the borderline retarded stupidity of the commenters. "Point of view" might be a bit of stretch to describe what is just crocodilian instinct and reaction.

    The comments seem to be mostly just a stream of semi-literate blacks complaining about whites.

    Django says: "White lady Should’ve got the knee to the neck."

    BigHomieGToad
    says: "5 mins after the black man I can't breathe and dies, bcuz beckey here"

    Faggot Molester (Truth alias?) says "Craccas bitches are stupid AF. Now niggas know they take turns nutting inside, and she can't report shit because no one will believe her 😂😂😂 I'm on my way over.
    FOH"

    The last one is the best - he'd like to rape some white women if he can get away with it, and he's mad because (some) white women fear blacks due to their propensity to rape.

    Hopefully this"point of view" spreads in your "community" and you eventually decide you all want to live separately from whites.

    Replies: @Truth

  210. @Jack D
    @ScarletNumber


    there is no expectation to follow the rules when there isn’t an enforcer there.
     
    Really? Do you shoplift if there are no witnesses? Kill people?

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    No, because those are actual crimes and if caught I could get into serious trouble.

    Not leashing your dog is equivalent to a parking ticket. If I knew the meter reader was out sick that day, I wouldn’t put money in the meter.

    Similarly, if I’m on a bridge where there can’t be any cops, I go as fast as I feel comfortable going.

  211. @Anon
    @Twinkie


    You want whites to be like blacks? Has Al Sharpton-style tribalism worked out for anyone but Al Sharpton? How are ordinary black people doing?
     
    False choice.

    Tribalism 100% relies on the ability of people to effectively execute it. Merely stating its existence or will toward it is fairly meaningless.

    The broader Black group effectively lacks that ability for a variety of reasons and across a variety of measurements to include:

    the ability to interpersonally cooperate over long stretches and against self-interest,
    the ability to successfully raise a nuclear family and keep it together
    low crime rates within the group
    high in-group trust
    high rates of civic participation
    etc.

    This is why its politically safe to offer Blacks tribalism, and even to construct some superficial legs of it for them: they lack the innate ability to finish its construction and effectively maintain it.

    Whites broadly speaking, and on the other hand, do not lack the ability to execute on it and this is why it is prohibited to them.

    Jews are the only group truly allowed unrestricted tribalism because they control enough strings to be in charge.

    If tribalism "didn't work out", then it wouldn't be the primary vehicle for Jews.

    The truth is that individualism, outside of necessarily government free frontier societies, is a Jewish political invention and poison pill meant for shit-tier-IQ Whites to steer them away from something effective (tribalism). It is a competition reduction tool for Jews.

    Anyone without a politically effective tribe has the social and political status of a slave because they have no political power. Full stop.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Rob McX

    Great comment. It is indeed safe to allow blacks to be tribal. It makes them more hostile to whites, but that’s the whole point of giving power to people like Sharpton and Jackson. Such racial awareness that exists among them is, for the most part, in the form of resentment towards whites. If blacks truly had the ability to think in terms of what’s good for themselves, they’d see that bringing millions of other non-whites into America would be a disaster for them in the long run. If they got as angry about immigration as they are about everything else, they would indeed be dangerous to the ruling class.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Rob McX

    "they (blacks) would see that bringing millions of other non-whites into the country would be a disaster for them."

    Absolutely not. On the contrary, it's the best thing that's ever happened to them.

    The millions of invading foreign Latinos, Asians, pajeets, Muslims, Nigerians and so on have successfully been frankensteined by Our Greatest Allies into a completely bogus, invented identity called, hilariously, "People of Color" -- with blacks as the public face of it, the official face of True Grievance and Moral Righteousness, which righteousness is gleefully Culturally Appropriated by the Masses "of Color" in order to get a share of the spoils when the Golem of Color takes Whitey down for good.

    See, a guy who showed up here last week from Fujian, whose Chinese grandparents were killed in a re-education center in rural China during the GPCR, wears the same moral mantle as Frederick Douglass and the Freedom Riders, all because he has black hair and brown eyes and his skin isn't pink. Because Our Best Friends Forever say so.

    Armed with these new non-white artificial "POC" numbers, blacks have all sorts of new political opportunities. Stacy Abrams is now a major political name because of all the dots and Mexicans flooding into Georgia, not because of new-found Africn electoral might.

    Of course, once Whitey is swamped for good, blacks will still be at the bottom of the New Totem Pole: with Jews permanently on top as planned, followed by the Asian and Pajeet techno-managerial class, then angry Muslims as enforcers, then Latinos as eternal grunt labor, and blacks on the bottom.

    Their one consolation is they will be the commandants and guards in the Rape Camps where de white Wimminz are kept.

  212. @Twinkie
    @Dave Pinsen


    I’ve made my name and appearance public, and you haven’t, but I’m the insecure one?
     
    Desire for privacy has little to do with psychological insecurity. It’s a matter of prudence for someone in my position. If I were to expound forth my frank, heterodox views without a nome de plume, how long do you think it will take for some nosy SJW to out me and demand the board of the institution I serve as a director to expel me?

    I called you insecure because you so quickly degenerated into launching the basest form of racial insults - and more than once.

    For all I know, you’re fatter than me.
     
    Sure, you don’t know. But I’m East Asian. Given the relative average obesity numbers among races, how likely do you think it is that I am morbidly obese? On top of that, I’m someone who’s done Judo for 40+ years and BJJ for over 20. How likely is that I’m that fat? Of course, I could be lying about my Judo and BJJ credentials, but get anyone remotely knowledgeable about either to query me on the technical aspects and it becomes clear that I know waaaay beyond the level of someone who’s pretending (that’s happened a couple of times here).

    For what it’s worth, I’m 6’2” and have fluctuated no more than 10 lbs or so of my current weight 185 lbs my whole adult life, except when I competed in Judo (and cut weight) and was lighter. And I’ve been following Pavel Tsatsouline’s model of going for what he calls functional, wiry strength for decades.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    Congratulations on your long judo and jujitsu career. I’m sorry for saying years ago that judo wasn’t an entertaining spectator sport (it isn’t, but I didn’t mean to cause you offense).

    And I’m sorry for suggesting you should open your eyes wider. I think you were credulous in your reading of Christian Cooper’s comments after he and his sister ruined someone’s life over a kerfuffle, but that has nothing to do with you being Asian. I love Asians, in fact. One of my favorite races. My old Korean classmate from my karate days texted me recently to check in. He’s a good guy, and we still consider each other “brothers in the dojo”. Maybe we’ll both get back into it after the lock downs (we met up at a reunion last year).

    Pavel’s not bad. He’s gotten into barbells in recent years, but kettlebells are good too. I was going to buy one recently, but the weight I was interested in was sold out.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Dave Pinsen


    I’m sorry for saying years ago that judo wasn’t an entertaining spectator sport (it isn’t, but I didn’t mean to cause you offense).
     
    Come on now, if you are going to apologize, do it for real. Don't retconn. I don't care if you found Judo entertaining or not (I find soccer boring as heck, but that's me). What I had a problem with was you, after having practiced Judo casually for a couple of years as a child, pronouncing world-class athletes performing it "sloppy" - like you were some sort of a phenomenal athlete. And it turned out you were not all that, but a rather obese guy (albeit a pretty strong one judging from the weight-lifting video).

    That's what "offended" me. Unlike you, I was a nationally-competitive Judoka when I was young (which, internationally, doesn't mean much because the U.S. is hardly a Judo superpower). But I know, personally, what kind of incredible athletes those guys at the Olympics are and what kind of grueling preparation, training, and sacrifice they make to get there. I was just bothered by some fat guy on the Internet criticizing them.

    But you knew this already. I explained it to you several times. I get the feeling you are acting contrite now, because you looked like a racist asshole from earlier comments. Rather like your hero Amy Cooper's fake "apology" of "To everyone who saw the video, I apologize," which is just another variation of that ridiculous standard format these days of "IF you were offended, I am sorry."

    I love Asians, in fact. One of my favorite races.
     
    Yes, yes, I too have a friend who is black.

    Pavel’s not bad.
     
    Back 20 years ago, Pavel was light years head of most fitness gurus in the U.S. - he actually emphasized functional strength and high range of mobility and strength at the end of the range of motion, all of which helped me greatly with athletic performance (rather than looking good). I contacted him then and he gave me excellent advice (all for free) though I did buy several of his books eventually (on my own). So I forgive him even his fake story about being a Spetznaz trainer.

    Look here, if you really want to "bury the hatchet," I'm okay with that, but I'd have to perceive some sincerity on your part.

    Replies: @Truth, @Dave Pinsen

  213. @Charlotte Allen
    @Jane Plain

    I think it's you who needs more specificity.

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @Jane Plain

    Pretty weak tea, Charlotte. I don’t shock easily. You showed your colors.

  214. @Rob McX
    @Anon

    Great comment. It is indeed safe to allow blacks to be tribal. It makes them more hostile to whites, but that's the whole point of giving power to people like Sharpton and Jackson. Such racial awareness that exists among them is, for the most part, in the form of resentment towards whites. If blacks truly had the ability to think in terms of what's good for themselves, they'd see that bringing millions of other non-whites into America would be a disaster for them in the long run. If they got as angry about immigration as they are about everything else, they would indeed be dangerous to the ruling class.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    “they (blacks) would see that bringing millions of other non-whites into the country would be a disaster for them.”

    Absolutely not. On the contrary, it’s the best thing that’s ever happened to them.

    The millions of invading foreign Latinos, Asians, pajeets, Muslims, Nigerians and so on have successfully been frankensteined by Our Greatest Allies into a completely bogus, invented identity called, hilariously, “People of Color” — with blacks as the public face of it, the official face of True Grievance and Moral Righteousness, which righteousness is gleefully Culturally Appropriated by the Masses “of Color” in order to get a share of the spoils when the Golem of Color takes Whitey down for good.

    See, a guy who showed up here last week from Fujian, whose Chinese grandparents were killed in a re-education center in rural China during the GPCR, wears the same moral mantle as Frederick Douglass and the Freedom Riders, all because he has black hair and brown eyes and his skin isn’t pink. Because Our Best Friends Forever say so.

    Armed with these new non-white artificial “POC” numbers, blacks have all sorts of new political opportunities. Stacy Abrams is now a major political name because of all the dots and Mexicans flooding into Georgia, not because of new-found Africn electoral might.

    Of course, once Whitey is swamped for good, blacks will still be at the bottom of the New Totem Pole: with Jews permanently on top as planned, followed by the Asian and Pajeet techno-managerial class, then angry Muslims as enforcers, then Latinos as eternal grunt labor, and blacks on the bottom.

    Their one consolation is they will be the commandants and guards in the Rape Camps where de white Wimminz are kept.

  215. @Charlotte Allen
    @Jane Plain

    I think it's you who needs more specificity.

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @Jane Plain

  216. @tz1
    But but but: The woman refused to leash her dog in an area where it was required! She should have been arrested and charged!

    He should have called the cops on her first. And either/both should have started recording the incident.

    Here is where the (literally?) white knights come out. Let me flip the image. Some strange woman with an out of control vicious dog she refuses to leash when asked nicely is there and you are afraid to be bitten. So you try to control the dog she won't and she gets mad. Why the feminazi's are always right virtue signalling?

    You want thousands of pickayune stupid laws and regulations, well, I can probably dial 911 every few minutes to report anyone.

    Or do you support red flag laws and killing anyone who might come to the door with a gun when the accused is raided at 2am by police who don't announce themselves because "someone felt threatened". This is the type 1 error where swatting gets people killed - and never the police.

    If we had police who weren't turned into paranoid perpetual PSTD sufferers (see http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/02/us/training-officers-to-shoot-first-and-he-will-answer-questions-later.html ) who would just respond, one officer could calmly question each person, and resolve things it might make sense.

    That is NOT NYC. The main reason I'm deep in flyover country. Lets say she called the cops, and while "asking" demanded he be put in handcuffs, then if he even had a reflexive jerk would be beaten half to death. Would that be a better outcome? SWATting lite? Which is what this Karen was threatening instead of leashing her dog and leaving. Would she have claimed he attempted to rape her? Believe all women? Or she called the cops and was issued a citation or arrested for not leashing her dog?

    Oh, or if it ended up as another case of puppycide. The police arrive, and the dog runs at them (it was not on a leash) and they shoot the dog. That happens every few hours across the USA including to leashed dogs.

    And there are more than a few cases where people called the police for something and ended up dead at their hands. Or welfare checks end up with someone who was ok until the police killed them.

    I'm sick of Pangloss and Polyanna revised timelines. We only know, imperfectly, what did happen between two argumentative people who decided to see who could out-Karen the other. We don't know "The Butterfly Effect" alternate timelines and they could be worse.
    We are seriously messed up, to the point that there is no rational good outcome.

    Replies: @jsm

    strange woman with an out of control vicious dog

    A cocker spaniel?

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @anon
    @jsm

    A cocker spaniel bite can break a man's leg.
    They're not Maltese Terriers by temperament, and have a look at the jaws on them.

  217. @James B. Shearer
    "Attempting to attack a guy pointing a shot gun at you is definitely not understandable."

    I assume you are talking about the Arbery case. Travis McMichael was holding the shotgun. In the public video he does not clearly point it at Arbery (which would be aggravated assault) prior to Arbery rushing him. Arbery gambled he could catch Travis by surprise (which it appears he almost did) if he rushed him as he came around the front of the pickup. This was a fatal mistake but understandable if Arbery was terrified. Panic is not conducive to rational thought.

    Replies: @Alden

    Poor Arbery he watched too many movies and TV shows.

  218. @Jack D
    @Redman

    I have mentioned before that Ms. Cooper was (maybe*) winning on tactics but lost (bigtime) on strategy. This is not the 7th grade playground. This is modern America with social media and she KNEW that she was being filmed. How is pulling the race card working out for her? I agree that if Mr. Cooper was, say Southern White and she called him a cracker or a hick or something, absolutely nothing would have happened to her. WOP, Mick, Kraut, whatever - crickets. But he wasn't, he was black. She should have known where to go and where NOT to go in America 2020, even under stress.

    * maybe because NYC 2020 is not rural Alabama 1955. "An African-American man is threatening me" didn't really seem to excite the 911 operator that much and it would have excited the NYC Cops who eventually arrived long after both Coopers were gone (who probably would have been non-white themselves) even less.

    Replies: @Alden

    Is African American now considered a racial slur? What’s the new politically correct word for people like Mr Cooper?

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
    @Alden


    Is African American now considered a racial slur? What’s the new politically correct word for people like Mr Cooper?
     
    How about "liege lord"? Of course, filing a police report against a king might be considered lèse-majesté.
  219. Anyone who doesn’t think this is yet another part of the War against Whites, go to a local park and bug the heck out of a black woman who is violating some park rule. Tape the whole thing and put it on Facebook and Twitter. See how that works for you!

    (Actually, don’t do that because I wouldn’t want anyone to lose their job or worse for being naive!)

  220. @Alden
    @Bill P

    What do you do, accost strangers in public and scold them for going through a door in front of you? Are the women you call out for their misbehavior neighbors relatives someone you live with or strangers you harass in public?

    Replies: @Jane Plain

    “In fact, I can’t count all the times I’ve had women threaten me with authorities, almost always because I called them out on their own bad behavior. That seems to be what provokes them the most.”

    Bill P gets around.

  221. There are errors and then there’s Bearing False Witness. It might do you well to learn the difference so that you’ll understand why people are so upset.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @vinny

    'There are errors and then there’s Bearing False Witness. It might do you well to learn the difference so that you’ll understand why people are so upset.'

    People are 'upset,' not upset. They're 'upset' because they've got a chance to virtue-signal by persecuting a white.

    It's frigging disturbed.

  222. @Mr McKenna
    @dreydl smasher

    https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/007/445/pancake_bunny.jpg

    Replies: @Stebbing Heuer, @Ganderson, @res, @donut

    Butter and syrup please , no margarine . Thanks .

  223. @Redman
    @Jack D

    True. But in the hierarchy of poor choices, it doesn't seem to rate very highly. For example, young Mr. Arbery's choice of attacking a man with a shotgun pointed right at him while stopping him for police questioning is the apotheosis.

    Having been in dozens of arguments in public places in Manhattan with all sorts of people (white, male, female, black, etc.), I'd have to admit I've lost my cool in more than a few. Under those circumstances, it's easy to say things without thinking in the heat of the battle so to speak. My own view: Life is a psychological war in NYC, and it's easy to get drawn into (in retrospect) stupid disputes because of the lack of civility or consideration of so many neurotics or just incredibly competitive, high strung people.

    As a defense lawyer, I defended one wealthy white men who got into a silly random argument with a black security guard and called him "n###er." On the flip side, I also represented a black building security guard who correctly kept a white man from going up to his apartment during a fire when his wife and child were there. The white man (who understandably lost his composure at being kept from his family) freaked out and called the guy "stupid n###er." My client immediately jumped over his desk and attacked the white man. Charged with misdemeanor assault, which I was eventually able to get dropped.

    While I don't condone the manner in which Ms. Cooper indeed played the race card, (1) Mr. Cooper was never in danger from any NYC cop (to say otherwise is absurd dishonesty); and (2) It's common for one in a heated argument to blurt the most obvious physical characteristic of the opponent as a taunt. I've been called faggot (I'm not) in several arguments with blacks; and I've seen more than one argument in which one of the adversaries was taunted as "bald." It's an atavistic human trait.

    All of this is to say that birdgate is a major mountain out of a molehill. The Monty Python crew would have understood.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSo0duY7-9s

    Replies: @Jane Plain

    “Having been in dozens of arguments in public places in Manhattan with all sorts of people (white, male, female, black, etc.), I’d have to admit I’ve lost my cool in more than a few.”

    I hope you’ve learned to zip it up and move on. Whatever it is isn’t worth your life. Or getting your law license revoked.

    “Life is a psychological war in NYC”

    I got news for you. That’s true everywhere. But in NYC it’s in your face.

    Most of the near misses I’ve seen were in subways, or on subway platforms, when two black guys made eye contact. That usually leads to words, at the very least.

  224. Anyone who doesn’t think this is yet another part of the War against Whites, go to a local park and bug the heck out of a black woman who is violating some park rule. Tape the whole thing and put it on Facebook and Twitter.

    If any of her menfolk are nearby, the video footage could provide useful evidence at your inquest.

  225. @vinny
    There are errors and then there's Bearing False Witness. It might do you well to learn the difference so that you'll understand why people are so upset.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘There are errors and then there’s Bearing False Witness. It might do you well to learn the difference so that you’ll understand why people are so upset.’

    People are ‘upset,’ not upset. They’re ‘upset’ because they’ve got a chance to virtue-signal by persecuting a white.

    It’s frigging disturbed.

  226. @Dr. Krieger
    @Joe Stalin

    Absolutely. How many white women that didn't call the cops when confronted by a black male, are dead now?
    Anybody taking the side of the black man in this disgusts me.
    Amy Cooper is being lynched because she is white. Period. Full stop.
    You either stick up for whites or you're shilling for Jews and their black henchmen. It's just that simple.

    Replies: @Truth, @notsaying

    No thanks. That’s not how I want to live. I want to be free to have my own opinions.

  227. Anonymous[387] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie
    @Dave Pinsen


    But Christian Cooper also said things have already gone too far. During a pandemic, he added, we all need to be kinder to one another — and respect the rules.

    “I’m not interested in repercussions,” he said. “It’s unfortunate what happened. There was definitely a lapse in judgment. But she put the dog on the leash, and I don’t need to see anything else happen to her.”
     
    He appears to be a better human being than a woman who broke rules and then tried to frame him with a crime all the while consuming public (law enforcement) resources needlessly.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Redman, @res, @jsm, @Anonymous

    I’m not interested in repercussions,” he said. “It’s unfortunate what happened. There was definitely a lapse in judgment. But she put the dog on the leash, and I don’t need to see anything else happen to her.”

    If Christian Cooper was genuinely uninterested in repercussions, why, then, did he decide to turn the footage of the incident over to his sister? Why did he not simply archive it (or delete it altogether), seeing as how no harm was done?

    What did he think was going to happen when he released the footage to a third party?

    If you “don’t need to see anything else happen,” to someone after a run-in with them, it seems to me the thing to do is to quietly archive the footage, not share it with someone else who could, quite conceivably, end up sharing it with the entire world.

  228. @Testing12
    This wasn't an "error", this was an entitled woman intentionally lying and drumming up false charges. But I do agree with the other commenter that this guy is also a provacative asshole based on his own history. Nutty dog lovers and bird watchers can both go to hell as far as I'm concerned.

    But you know, it actually really provides some perspective on some other opinions regarding COVID etc if one can watch this video and describe it as a "Type I Error". Labeling it as such requires either a sort of autistic "whoosh" miss on reading the social situation, or dishonest spin.

    Replies: @Steve Johnson

    But you know, it actually really provides some perspective on some other opinions regarding COVID etc if one can watch this video and describe it as a “Type I Error”. Labeling it as such requires either a sort of autistic “whoosh” miss on reading the social situation, or dishonest spin.

    It provides perspective on your reading comprehension and hence overall intelligence level that you read this piece and came to the conclusion that Steve describe this incident as a type I error rather than using it as a jumping off point to discuss the wider issue.

  229. @Dave Pinsen
    @Twinkie

    This is an Olympic-level judoka.

    http://images.theage.com.au/2012/08/03/3526533/ds_03_blas_729_20120803201620836491.jpg

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Yeah, at the highest weight category – the least competitive divion. That’s not what most Olympic Judoka look like. But I figured you’d respond with something like this. Yes, there are obese athletes.

    See:

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Twinkie

    I'll admit I never saw a 480 lbs judoka when I took judo, but I never saw anyone with a washboard stomach either. If an average person didn't know otherwise, and saw one of the black belts from my school on the street, he wouldn't suspect they were black belt judokas, or athletes at all.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  230. Anonymous[387] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kaz
    I think this guy has an ingenious solution to these prick dogowners that let their dogs run rampant without leashes. Cops aren't going to enforce it because it's not worth their time.

    His solution is to carry around treats to inconvenience rule breaking dog owners, completely innocuous.

    Also you can't pretend to be scared for your life when you're getting closer to the guy recording instead of walking away.

    I'll say it again. SHE WALKED TOWARDS HIM and nearly got in his face.

    This isn't a type i type ii error, this is just another woman who would be happy to falsely accuse a man without a concern for consequences.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    His solution is to carry around treats to inconvenience rule breaking dog owners, completely innocuous.

    I’m not quite as sanguine as you are that strangers handing out treats to dogs is completely innocuous.

    After all, not everyone likes dogs and it is just conceivable that someone handing a treat to your dog might be one of those people. I also understand that dogs can be (and are) stolen. What better way to get close to a dog you’d like to steal than giving it a treat?

    I understand the dog owner in this instance was behaving foolishly, but consider: is handing a treat to a dog you do not know, owned by a stranger you do not know, really such a good idea?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    Spring is here, spring is here
    Life is skittles and life is beer
    I think the loveliest time of the year
    Is the spring, I do, don't you? Course you do
    But there's one thing that makes spring complete for me
    And makes every Sunday a treat for me
    All the world seems in tune on a spring afternoon
    When we're poisoning pigeons in the park
    Every Sunday you'll see my sweetheart and me
    As we poison the pigeons in the park
    When they see us coming
    The birdies all try and hide
    But they still go for peanuts
    When coated with cyanide
    The sun's shining bright
    Everything seems all right
    When we're poisoning pigeons in the park
    We've gained notoriety
    And caused much anxiety
    In the Audobon Society
    With our games
    They call it impiety
    And lack of propriety
    And quite a variety of unpleasant names
    But it's not against any religion
    To want to dispose of a pigeon
    So if Sunday you're free
    Why don't you come with me
    And we'll poison the pigeons in the park
    And maybe we'll do in a squirrel or two
    While we're poisoning pigeons in the park
    We'll murder them amid laughter and merriment
    Except for the few we take home to experiment
    My pulse will be quickenin'
    With each drop of strychnine
    We feed to a pigeon
    It just takes a smidgin
    To poison a pigeon in the park

    Replies: @Anonymous

  231. @Dave Pinsen
    @Twinkie

    Congratulations on your long judo and jujitsu career. I'm sorry for saying years ago that judo wasn't an entertaining spectator sport (it isn't, but I didn't mean to cause you offense).

    And I'm sorry for suggesting you should open your eyes wider. I think you were credulous in your reading of Christian Cooper's comments after he and his sister ruined someone's life over a kerfuffle, but that has nothing to do with you being Asian. I love Asians, in fact. One of my favorite races. My old Korean classmate from my karate days texted me recently to check in. He's a good guy, and we still consider each other "brothers in the dojo". Maybe we'll both get back into it after the lock downs (we met up at a reunion last year).

    Pavel's not bad. He's gotten into barbells in recent years, but kettlebells are good too. I was going to buy one recently, but the weight I was interested in was sold out.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    I’m sorry for saying years ago that judo wasn’t an entertaining spectator sport (it isn’t, but I didn’t mean to cause you offense).

    Come on now, if you are going to apologize, do it for real. Don’t retconn. I don’t care if you found Judo entertaining or not (I find soccer boring as heck, but that’s me). What I had a problem with was you, after having practiced Judo casually for a couple of years as a child, pronouncing world-class athletes performing it “sloppy” – like you were some sort of a phenomenal athlete. And it turned out you were not all that, but a rather obese guy (albeit a pretty strong one judging from the weight-lifting video).

    That’s what “offended” me. Unlike you, I was a nationally-competitive Judoka when I was young (which, internationally, doesn’t mean much because the U.S. is hardly a Judo superpower). But I know, personally, what kind of incredible athletes those guys at the Olympics are and what kind of grueling preparation, training, and sacrifice they make to get there. I was just bothered by some fat guy on the Internet criticizing them.

    But you knew this already. I explained it to you several times. I get the feeling you are acting contrite now, because you looked like a racist asshole from earlier comments. Rather like your hero Amy Cooper’s fake “apology” of “To everyone who saw the video, I apologize,” which is just another variation of that ridiculous standard format these days of “IF you were offended, I am sorry.”

    I love Asians, in fact. One of my favorite races.

    Yes, yes, I too have a friend who is black.

    Pavel’s not bad.

    Back 20 years ago, Pavel was light years head of most fitness gurus in the U.S. – he actually emphasized functional strength and high range of mobility and strength at the end of the range of motion, all of which helped me greatly with athletic performance (rather than looking good). I contacted him then and he gave me excellent advice (all for free) though I did buy several of his books eventually (on my own). So I forgive him even his fake story about being a Spetznaz trainer.

    Look here, if you really want to “bury the hatchet,” I’m okay with that, but I’d have to perceive some sincerity on your part.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Twinkie

    Git em' Twinx! He don't wanna get down.

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @Twinkie


    Come on now, if you are going to apologize, do it for real. Don’t retconn. I don’t care if you found Judo entertaining or not (I find soccer boring as heck, but that’s me). What I had a problem with was you, after having practiced Judo casually for a couple of years as a child, pronouncing world-class athletes performing it “sloppy” – like you were some sort of a phenomenal athlete. And it turned out you were not all that, but a rather obese guy (albeit a pretty strong one judging from the weight-lifting video).
     
    I didn’t say that those judokas were “sloppy ”, and I made no comment about the appearance of judokas. I said high level judo often looks sloppy and terrible. That’s an opinion of mine, which appears to be widely-shared, given how I have more than a dozen sports channels showing everything from snowboarding to soccer and don’t recall ever seeing judo on one of them outside of the Olympics. You are entitled to disagree with that opinion, and even take offense at it, if you like, but at least try to understand what I wrote, rather than getting worked up about something ridiculous that I didn’t say (that the best judokas in the world were terrible; by definition, if they’re the best, they’re not terrible).

    I get the feeling you are acting contrite now, because you looked like a racist asshole from earlier comments. Rather like your hero Amy Cooper’s fake “apology” of “To everyone who saw the video, I apologize,” which is just another variation of that ridiculous standard format these days of “IF you were offended, I am sorry.”
     
    I shouldn't have made a comment that could be construed as a racial joke; I'll concede that, even though - let's be honest here - it was pretty mild by the standards of this site. As far as being worried that I "look like a racist asshole", that sounds like projection on your part. What are your "heterodox ideas" after all, than things that would get you called "a racist asshole" where you work?

    Back 20 years ago, Pavel was light years head of most fitness gurus in the U.S. – he actually emphasized functional strength and high range of mobility and strength at the end of the range of motion, all of which helped me greatly with athletic performance (rather than looking good). I contacted him then and he gave me excellent advice (all for free) though I did buy several of his books eventually (on my own). So I forgive him even his fake story about being a Spetznaz trainer.

     

    I didn't know he faked being a Spetznaz trainer. That's funny.

    Look here, if you really want to “bury the hatchet,” I’m okay with that, but I’d have to perceive some sincerity on your part.
     
    I was being sincere. You can take it or leave it. I don't have anything invested either way.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  232. @Dave Pinsen
    @Coag

    They're not all ectomorphs. E.g.,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzWq_dzcfpw

    Replies: @Twinkie

    That guy doesn’t look East Asian. He looks Southeast Asian.

  233. @jsm
    @tz1


    strange woman with an out of control vicious dog
     
    A cocker spaniel?

    Replies: @anon

    A cocker spaniel bite can break a man’s leg.
    They’re not Maltese Terriers by temperament, and have a look at the jaws on them.

  234. @Mike_from_SGV
    @Mister.Baseball

    "the media is really trying to drum up some summer Travyon/Baltimore 2.0 over every incident"

    This is why, if you find yourself in a contentious situation with a favored minority, just get the hell out of there. The dominant culture wants to crucify you and make you into a morality play. They are openly looking for an incident, they are hostile, they are not even pretending otherwise at this point.

    Replies: @Mister.Baseball

    Who is this ‘you’, kemosabe?

  235. @Anonymous
    @Kaz

    His solution is to carry around treats to inconvenience rule breaking dog owners, completely innocuous.

    I'm not quite as sanguine as you are that strangers handing out treats to dogs is completely innocuous.

    After all, not everyone likes dogs and it is just conceivable that someone handing a treat to your dog might be one of those people. I also understand that dogs can be (and are) stolen. What better way to get close to a dog you'd like to steal than giving it a treat?

    I understand the dog owner in this instance was behaving foolishly, but consider: is handing a treat to a dog you do not know, owned by a stranger you do not know, really such a good idea?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Spring is here, spring is here
    Life is skittles and life is beer
    I think the loveliest time of the year
    Is the spring, I do, don’t you? Course you do
    But there’s one thing that makes spring complete for me
    And makes every Sunday a treat for me
    All the world seems in tune on a spring afternoon
    When we’re poisoning pigeons in the park
    Every Sunday you’ll see my sweetheart and me
    As we poison the pigeons in the park
    When they see us coming
    The birdies all try and hide
    But they still go for peanuts
    When coated with cyanide
    The sun’s shining bright
    Everything seems all right
    When we’re poisoning pigeons in the park
    We’ve gained notoriety
    And caused much anxiety
    In the Audobon Society
    With our games
    They call it impiety
    And lack of propriety
    And quite a variety of unpleasant names
    But it’s not against any religion
    To want to dispose of a pigeon
    So if Sunday you’re free
    Why don’t you come with me
    And we’ll poison the pigeons in the park
    And maybe we’ll do in a squirrel or two
    While we’re poisoning pigeons in the park
    We’ll murder them amid laughter and merriment
    Except for the few we take home to experiment
    My pulse will be quickenin’
    With each drop of strychnine
    We feed to a pigeon
    It just takes a smidgin
    To poison a pigeon in the park

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    It's a shame "cocker spaniels" doesn't scan quite as well as "pigeons."

  236. @JSQ
    @Anon

    This sums it up exactly. We all know this type of silly, self-important, neurotic middle-class white female who just can't leave well enough alone. We've encountered her countless times in every school and white-collar workplace and affluent neighborhood in America. I think I speak for most white guys when I say we've also learned that the best way to deal with this type is to just bite your tongue, swallow your pride and submit to their petty tyrannies, because the Amy Coopers of this world are natural tattle-tales with a lifetime of practice in their art; they always know just whom to tattle to and how to frame it so as to inflict maximum damage with minimal risk to themselves (although Cooper herself probably should hone her skills in this area a little bit). There is a squalid pleasure in seeing this type of person have her meddling and complaining blow up in her face and result in a public humiliation. It's why, even though I deplore the racial undertones of the "Karen" label, I still smirk a little at the concept, because I can relate to it as well: we all can.

    But the punishment should fit the crime, and being "investigated" by various arms of NYC law enforcement, losing your job--losing your freaking dog--is out of proportion here. This would be a good time for Trump to step in and hold an Obama-type informal "beer summit" between these two, to put the thing to rest. There's enough tension, racial and otherwise, in the US right now; let's try to defuse it a little.

    Replies: @Jane Plain

    I think I speak for most white guys when I say we’ve also learned that the best way to deal with this type is to just bite your tongue, swallow your pride and submit to their petty tyrannies,

    Very bad advice. Stand your ground and put them in their place. That doesn’t mean violence. It means acting like an adult. Is that too much to ask?

    But the punishment should fit the crime, and being “investigated” by various arms of NYC law enforcement, losing your job–losing your freaking dog–is out of proportion here.

    It’s continuing. Google it. She’s being investigated by the City Council.

    Look: I’m not defending her. She was wrong, and the more I read about her, the more of an annoying SJW dingbat she appears to be. But what’s happened to her is pure insanity.

    good time for Trump to step in and hold an Obama-type informal “beer summit” between these two, to put the thing to rest.

    Still a believer in your maximum leader? He won’t do anything of the sort. Because that would be the smart thing to do. Trump is the emptiest of empty suits ever to hit US politics.

  237. @Alden
    @Bill P

    You’re writing about domestic violence situations which are between 2 people who live together or are in the same place by choice at the time the alleged incident happened.

    This was an encounter between 2 strangers. One of the strangers belongs to one of the demographics that commits 96% of the homicides in NYC.

    As for saying African American, race is the first question the dispatchers ask, then clothes, then size then age.

    This can and does happen to Whites. Blacks, especially black women constantly try to set up Whites in the workplace. Black men sexually harass White women they work with and then claim racial discrimination if the White woman rejects them.

    Replies: @Bill P

    I was under the impression that people in NYC are all pretty much living together by choice. I chose to live in a county that is less than 1% black, partly for the reasons you mention, but New Yorkers clearly have other priorities.

    The woman wasn’t afraid of the guy at all. She was angry, and wanted to put him in his place. Not because he was black, but because he pointed out that the rules applied to her, too.

    In my mind she’s just like the crazy neighbor who threatened me with the police recently for telling her to quit honking her horn. A lot of women use the threat of the police to get their way. I’ve seen it over and over in all sorts of circumstances in the US.

    I don’t think women should not have the right to call the cops, but if they lie when they do so they should be arrested. The woman accused the guy of threatening her and her dog, but he wasnt. People can be arrested for threats. If she said that to the cops, he could be locked up on false charges. It’s only fair that she be arrested and sent to jail if she committed the crime of falsely accusing the man.

    Likewise for the neighborhood honking lady I had to deal with the other day. After she sat blaring her horn over and over on a balmy evening while everyone’s windows were open, I got up, walked over to her car, and asked her to please stop it. She promptly accused me of harassment and threatened me with police. Who is harassing whom? She was harassing the entire neighborhood, and there she was threatening to accuse me of a crime she was committing herself!

    This really isn’t about race. It’s about a certain subset of women abusing the considerable power society has given them. Calling the police is kind of like pulling a gun. There are situations where it’s warranted, and then there are situations where it isn’t. Wounded pride is, absent other injury, not a good reason, but it’s far from rare for women to call the cops for that alone.

    It reminds me of an incident just the other day, when my 5yo was playing with a neighborhood girl at my place. She’s a nice girl, a pleasure to have over, and a good playmate for my kid. So I’m sitting in the living room reading, and the girl comes out of my son’s room saying she has to tell me something. I ask her “what’s the matter?” And she tells me that my son made fun of her spelling. So I took her back to the room, asked the boy whether he did this, and then had him apologize while reminding him that he wouldn’t like it if I did that to him.

    This is totally normal little kid stuff. Cute, even. But at a certain point in life, daddy isn’t there to mediate these things. You’re on your own, and it’s time to act like a grown-up. This means, among other things, that you’d better have a good reason when you call on armed men to intervene on your behalf. Hurt feelings don’t quite clear the bar anymore.

    • Agree: notsaying
  238. Anonymous[387] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    Spring is here, spring is here
    Life is skittles and life is beer
    I think the loveliest time of the year
    Is the spring, I do, don't you? Course you do
    But there's one thing that makes spring complete for me
    And makes every Sunday a treat for me
    All the world seems in tune on a spring afternoon
    When we're poisoning pigeons in the park
    Every Sunday you'll see my sweetheart and me
    As we poison the pigeons in the park
    When they see us coming
    The birdies all try and hide
    But they still go for peanuts
    When coated with cyanide
    The sun's shining bright
    Everything seems all right
    When we're poisoning pigeons in the park
    We've gained notoriety
    And caused much anxiety
    In the Audobon Society
    With our games
    They call it impiety
    And lack of propriety
    And quite a variety of unpleasant names
    But it's not against any religion
    To want to dispose of a pigeon
    So if Sunday you're free
    Why don't you come with me
    And we'll poison the pigeons in the park
    And maybe we'll do in a squirrel or two
    While we're poisoning pigeons in the park
    We'll murder them amid laughter and merriment
    Except for the few we take home to experiment
    My pulse will be quickenin'
    With each drop of strychnine
    We feed to a pigeon
    It just takes a smidgin
    To poison a pigeon in the park

    Replies: @Anonymous

    It’s a shame “cocker spaniels” doesn’t scan quite as well as “pigeons.”

  239. @Just another serf
    This is an amazing bit of current year drama. So far:

    - the woman is humiliated on Twitter
    - her dog is confiscated or she voluntarily surrenders the little fellow to dog rescue
    - she loses her job
    - the Central Park Civic Association has called for her to be banned from the park
    - something called the Commission on Human Rights has issued a letter of inquiry to the woman requesting her cooperation in a pre-complaint intervention

    These next developments seem likely:
    - her PayPal cancelled
    - banned from Facebooks
    - new or old black panthers demonstrate in front of her apartment, with pit bulls
    - the LGBTQ community demonstrates in front of her apartment, with cocker spaniels
    - Trump tweets disapprovingly of her
    - Biden and Stacey Abraham denounce her
    - she is discovered to have once suggested less than 11 million Jews were gassed
    - she is placed on the TSA no fly list
    - banned from Uber and Lyft
    - evicted from her NYC apartment
    - she is beaten to near death by the NYPD for not wearing a face mask while homeless

    I’m sure there’s more misfortune in store for her

    Replies: @William Badwhite

    – then she’s deported back to Canada

  240. @Redman
    @Jack D

    My point (which Steve refuses to clear for some reason) is so what?

    The history of argument is playing whatever “card” pisses off the person who has just pissed you off. Have you never had a public confrontation?

    It’s atavistic. You always go for the balls of your opponent in a one on one confrontation. A man would have noticed Mr. Cooper (The Karen here) was gay and probably called him a faggot. I’m not saying it’s smart, just that it’s hard wired in our nature. So understandable.

    Attempting to attack a guy pointing a shot gun at you is definitely not understandable.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Jane Plain

  241. @Truth
    Hey guys, does anyone wonder what the knee-grow point of view is on this story? Many of you seem obsessed so you may as well find out.

    https://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh6aLT2wM81Ymr82C3

    Replies: @William Badwhite

    Thanks for that entertaining window into the borderline retarded stupidity of the commenters. “Point of view” might be a bit of stretch to describe what is just crocodilian instinct and reaction.

    The comments seem to be mostly just a stream of semi-literate blacks complaining about whites.

    Django says: “White lady Should’ve got the knee to the neck.”

    BigHomieGToad
    says: “5 mins after the black man I can’t breathe and dies, bcuz beckey here”

    Faggot Molester (Truth alias?) says “Craccas bitches are stupid AF. Now niggas know they take turns nutting inside, and she can’t report shit because no one will believe her 😂😂😂 I’m on my way over.
    FOH”

    The last one is the best – he’d like to rape some white women if he can get away with it, and he’s mad because (some) white women fear blacks due to their propensity to rape.

    Hopefully this”point of view” spreads in your “community” and you eventually decide you all want to live separately from whites.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @William Badwhite

    LMAO!

    No selective editing there!

    Replies: @William Badwhite

  242. @William Badwhite
    @Truth

    Thanks for that entertaining window into the borderline retarded stupidity of the commenters. "Point of view" might be a bit of stretch to describe what is just crocodilian instinct and reaction.

    The comments seem to be mostly just a stream of semi-literate blacks complaining about whites.

    Django says: "White lady Should’ve got the knee to the neck."

    BigHomieGToad
    says: "5 mins after the black man I can't breathe and dies, bcuz beckey here"

    Faggot Molester (Truth alias?) says "Craccas bitches are stupid AF. Now niggas know they take turns nutting inside, and she can't report shit because no one will believe her 😂😂😂 I'm on my way over.
    FOH"

    The last one is the best - he'd like to rape some white women if he can get away with it, and he's mad because (some) white women fear blacks due to their propensity to rape.

    Hopefully this"point of view" spreads in your "community" and you eventually decide you all want to live separately from whites.

    Replies: @Truth

    LMAO!

    No selective editing there!

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    @Truth


    LMAO!

    No selective editing there!
     
    You caught me, I just selected those three. The rest were lucid and well-argued.

    But still, we can hope that blacks and whites opt for separation some day. I'm sure you all would be just fine on your own.

    Replies: @Truth

  243. @Twinkie
    @Dave Pinsen


    I’m sorry for saying years ago that judo wasn’t an entertaining spectator sport (it isn’t, but I didn’t mean to cause you offense).
     
    Come on now, if you are going to apologize, do it for real. Don't retconn. I don't care if you found Judo entertaining or not (I find soccer boring as heck, but that's me). What I had a problem with was you, after having practiced Judo casually for a couple of years as a child, pronouncing world-class athletes performing it "sloppy" - like you were some sort of a phenomenal athlete. And it turned out you were not all that, but a rather obese guy (albeit a pretty strong one judging from the weight-lifting video).

    That's what "offended" me. Unlike you, I was a nationally-competitive Judoka when I was young (which, internationally, doesn't mean much because the U.S. is hardly a Judo superpower). But I know, personally, what kind of incredible athletes those guys at the Olympics are and what kind of grueling preparation, training, and sacrifice they make to get there. I was just bothered by some fat guy on the Internet criticizing them.

    But you knew this already. I explained it to you several times. I get the feeling you are acting contrite now, because you looked like a racist asshole from earlier comments. Rather like your hero Amy Cooper's fake "apology" of "To everyone who saw the video, I apologize," which is just another variation of that ridiculous standard format these days of "IF you were offended, I am sorry."

    I love Asians, in fact. One of my favorite races.
     
    Yes, yes, I too have a friend who is black.

    Pavel’s not bad.
     
    Back 20 years ago, Pavel was light years head of most fitness gurus in the U.S. - he actually emphasized functional strength and high range of mobility and strength at the end of the range of motion, all of which helped me greatly with athletic performance (rather than looking good). I contacted him then and he gave me excellent advice (all for free) though I did buy several of his books eventually (on my own). So I forgive him even his fake story about being a Spetznaz trainer.

    Look here, if you really want to "bury the hatchet," I'm okay with that, but I'd have to perceive some sincerity on your part.

    Replies: @Truth, @Dave Pinsen

    Git em’ Twinx! He don’t wanna get down.

  244. @Truth
    @William Badwhite

    LMAO!

    No selective editing there!

    Replies: @William Badwhite

    LMAO!

    No selective editing there!

    You caught me, I just selected those three. The rest were lucid and well-argued.

    But still, we can hope that blacks and whites opt for separation some day. I’m sure you all would be just fine on your own.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @William Badwhite

    Well, I mean, we were for roughly 6,000 years. You folks were the ones who couldn't figure out a way to pick cotton.

    Replies: @William Badwhite

  245. @William Badwhite
    @Truth


    LMAO!

    No selective editing there!
     
    You caught me, I just selected those three. The rest were lucid and well-argued.

    But still, we can hope that blacks and whites opt for separation some day. I'm sure you all would be just fine on your own.

    Replies: @Truth

    Well, I mean, we were for roughly 6,000 years. You folks were the ones who couldn’t figure out a way to pick cotton.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    @Truth

    Yeah cheap labor always ends up being really expensive.

  246. @Alden
    @Jack D

    Is African American now considered a racial slur? What’s the new politically correct word for people like Mr Cooper?

    Replies: @Johann Ricke

    Is African American now considered a racial slur? What’s the new politically correct word for people like Mr Cooper?

    How about “liege lord”? Of course, filing a police report against a king might be considered lèse-majesté.

  247. @Twinkie
    @Dave Pinsen


    I’m sorry for saying years ago that judo wasn’t an entertaining spectator sport (it isn’t, but I didn’t mean to cause you offense).
     
    Come on now, if you are going to apologize, do it for real. Don't retconn. I don't care if you found Judo entertaining or not (I find soccer boring as heck, but that's me). What I had a problem with was you, after having practiced Judo casually for a couple of years as a child, pronouncing world-class athletes performing it "sloppy" - like you were some sort of a phenomenal athlete. And it turned out you were not all that, but a rather obese guy (albeit a pretty strong one judging from the weight-lifting video).

    That's what "offended" me. Unlike you, I was a nationally-competitive Judoka when I was young (which, internationally, doesn't mean much because the U.S. is hardly a Judo superpower). But I know, personally, what kind of incredible athletes those guys at the Olympics are and what kind of grueling preparation, training, and sacrifice they make to get there. I was just bothered by some fat guy on the Internet criticizing them.

    But you knew this already. I explained it to you several times. I get the feeling you are acting contrite now, because you looked like a racist asshole from earlier comments. Rather like your hero Amy Cooper's fake "apology" of "To everyone who saw the video, I apologize," which is just another variation of that ridiculous standard format these days of "IF you were offended, I am sorry."

    I love Asians, in fact. One of my favorite races.
     
    Yes, yes, I too have a friend who is black.

    Pavel’s not bad.
     
    Back 20 years ago, Pavel was light years head of most fitness gurus in the U.S. - he actually emphasized functional strength and high range of mobility and strength at the end of the range of motion, all of which helped me greatly with athletic performance (rather than looking good). I contacted him then and he gave me excellent advice (all for free) though I did buy several of his books eventually (on my own). So I forgive him even his fake story about being a Spetznaz trainer.

    Look here, if you really want to "bury the hatchet," I'm okay with that, but I'd have to perceive some sincerity on your part.

    Replies: @Truth, @Dave Pinsen

    Come on now, if you are going to apologize, do it for real. Don’t retconn. I don’t care if you found Judo entertaining or not (I find soccer boring as heck, but that’s me). What I had a problem with was you, after having practiced Judo casually for a couple of years as a child, pronouncing world-class athletes performing it “sloppy” – like you were some sort of a phenomenal athlete. And it turned out you were not all that, but a rather obese guy (albeit a pretty strong one judging from the weight-lifting video).

    I didn’t say that those judokas were “sloppy ”, and I made no comment about the appearance of judokas. I said high level judo often looks sloppy and terrible. That’s an opinion of mine, which appears to be widely-shared, given how I have more than a dozen sports channels showing everything from snowboarding to soccer and don’t recall ever seeing judo on one of them outside of the Olympics. You are entitled to disagree with that opinion, and even take offense at it, if you like, but at least try to understand what I wrote, rather than getting worked up about something ridiculous that I didn’t say (that the best judokas in the world were terrible; by definition, if they’re the best, they’re not terrible).

    I get the feeling you are acting contrite now, because you looked like a racist asshole from earlier comments. Rather like your hero Amy Cooper’s fake “apology” of “To everyone who saw the video, I apologize,” which is just another variation of that ridiculous standard format these days of “IF you were offended, I am sorry.”

    I shouldn’t have made a comment that could be construed as a racial joke; I’ll concede that, even though – let’s be honest here – it was pretty mild by the standards of this site. As far as being worried that I “look like a racist asshole”, that sounds like projection on your part. What are your “heterodox ideas” after all, than things that would get you called “a racist asshole” where you work?

    Back 20 years ago, Pavel was light years head of most fitness gurus in the U.S. – he actually emphasized functional strength and high range of mobility and strength at the end of the range of motion, all of which helped me greatly with athletic performance (rather than looking good). I contacted him then and he gave me excellent advice (all for free) though I did buy several of his books eventually (on my own). So I forgive him even his fake story about being a Spetznaz trainer.

    I didn’t know he faked being a Spetznaz trainer. That’s funny.

    Look here, if you really want to “bury the hatchet,” I’m okay with that, but I’d have to perceive some sincerity on your part.

    I was being sincere. You can take it or leave it. I don’t have anything invested either way.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Dave Pinsen


    I didn’t say that those judokas were “sloppy ”, and I made no comment about the appearance of judokas. I said high level judo often looks sloppy and terrible.
     
    Seriously? I was referring to the latter.

    That’s an opinion of mine, which appears to be widely-shared
     
    Widely-shared by whom? Could you please cite a source in which commentators say "High level Judo often looks sloppy and terrible"? Anything remotely resembling that sentiment should suffice.

    I have more than a dozen sports channels showing everything from snowboarding to soccer and don’t recall ever seeing judo on one of them outside of the Olympics.
     
    If you were an honest interlocutor, you would remember that I told you why that is so. Judo is a niche sport in the U.S. It is, however, very popular in Asia and Europe (indeed, France has more registered Judo practitioners than Japan, the origin country, does, and the Judo Grand Prixe in Paris draws packed crowds and a big TV audience).

    None of this matters, because you don't argue honestly. You don't address the substance of what I wrote and keep oozing around it like Jell-O on the wall, the prime example being:

    at least try to understand what I wrote, rather than getting worked up about something ridiculous that I didn’t say (that the best judokas in the world were terrible; by definition, if they’re the best, they’re not terrible).
     

    That’s an opinion of mine
     
    Yes, and my opinon on that is that you are ill-informed and that it is particularly galling coming from someone who looks like he is going to have a heartattack after running a mile. How about this?

    https://youtu.be/pQJrgIOplFo

    I'd love to be able to post a picture of you, in all your bulbous glory, next to the above video with a caption, "Nah, I took a couple of years of Judo in junior high school. These guys are slopply and terrible."

    I shouldn’t have made a comment that could be construed as a racial joke; I’ll concede that, even though – let’s be honest here – it was pretty mild by the standards of this site.
     
    This is the kind of a thing that gives me a full measure of you as a person. Fake-apology combined with a caveat that, really, the apology isn't necessary, but you are doing it anyway, because you are the bigger (pardon the pun) man.

    You can take it or leave it. I don’t have anything invested either way.
     
    Yeah, that oozes with sincerity.

    As far as being worried that I “look like a racist asshole”, that sounds like projection on your part. What are your “heterodox ideas” after all, than things that would get you called “a racist asshole” where you work?
     
    I am not an asshole, because I don't make fun of other people's races or any inborn trait over which they had no choice or control. And when I apologize, I apologize. I don't engage in passive-aggression and fake apologies.

    My heterodox views are that, simply put, there are demographic differences, some cultural, some inherited, among different groups of people and that they are worth studying.

    Replies: @Truth

  248. @Twinkie
    @Dave Pinsen

    Yeah, at the highest weight category - the least competitive divion. That's not what most Olympic Judoka look like. But I figured you'd respond with something like this. Yes, there are obese athletes.

    See:

    https://youtu.be/2HgLr4Ege5c

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    I’ll admit I never saw a 480 lbs judoka when I took judo, but I never saw anyone with a washboard stomach either. If an average person didn’t know otherwise, and saw one of the black belts from my school on the street, he wouldn’t suspect they were black belt judokas, or athletes at all.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Dave Pinsen


    I’ll admit I never saw a 480 lbs judoka when I took judo, but I never saw anyone with a washboard stomach either. If an average person didn’t know otherwise, and saw one of the black belts from my school on the street, he wouldn’t suspect they were black belt judokas, or athletes at all.
     
    I don't know what McDojo you went to as a child, but when you train where there are Olympians, even small children have "washboard stomachs."

    See this video at about 0:28 mark. That's what an elite Judoka looks like: https://youtu.be/Ak25XQ24glo?t=28

    You wouldn't realize that he has a physique like that when he has his Gi on.

    As I mentioned before, my eldest son is a top-level junior Judoka and BJJ competitor. Ever since he was about seven, when you hugged him, his body felt like a boulder. He doesn't have a six-pack - he has an eight-pack and muscles growing on top of muscles - all without having done any weight-lifting. And he has incredible functional strength (he can do squats while balancing himself on a stability ball, then fall backward, flip over the ball, and land on the ground on his feet). But that's not surprising since he's been manhandling another, fully-resisting, human being his size (and sometimes heavier) for a couple of hours everyday since he was a toddler.

    Competitive Judokas, along with wrestlers, are probably the second functionally-strongest group of athletes, pound per pound (the first being gymnasts).

  249. @Truth
    @William Badwhite

    Well, I mean, we were for roughly 6,000 years. You folks were the ones who couldn't figure out a way to pick cotton.

    Replies: @William Badwhite

    Yeah cheap labor always ends up being really expensive.

  250. @Jack D
    @ScarletNumber

    Frankly, given the way she conducted herself, I would not want her working for my company. You don't have a "right" to a job in America. It was her privilege to represent Franklin Templeton before the world and she could no longer be trusted with that privilege. Probably she was a psycho to her co-workers all along but psychopaths suck up to their superiors so that they are never found out. This time she showed her fangs.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Dave Pinsen, @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @NOTA

    Wait, you mean some of the people who work in finance in NYC are pushy assholes? Stop the presses!

  251. @Dave Pinsen
    @Twinkie


    Come on now, if you are going to apologize, do it for real. Don’t retconn. I don’t care if you found Judo entertaining or not (I find soccer boring as heck, but that’s me). What I had a problem with was you, after having practiced Judo casually for a couple of years as a child, pronouncing world-class athletes performing it “sloppy” – like you were some sort of a phenomenal athlete. And it turned out you were not all that, but a rather obese guy (albeit a pretty strong one judging from the weight-lifting video).
     
    I didn’t say that those judokas were “sloppy ”, and I made no comment about the appearance of judokas. I said high level judo often looks sloppy and terrible. That’s an opinion of mine, which appears to be widely-shared, given how I have more than a dozen sports channels showing everything from snowboarding to soccer and don’t recall ever seeing judo on one of them outside of the Olympics. You are entitled to disagree with that opinion, and even take offense at it, if you like, but at least try to understand what I wrote, rather than getting worked up about something ridiculous that I didn’t say (that the best judokas in the world were terrible; by definition, if they’re the best, they’re not terrible).

    I get the feeling you are acting contrite now, because you looked like a racist asshole from earlier comments. Rather like your hero Amy Cooper’s fake “apology” of “To everyone who saw the video, I apologize,” which is just another variation of that ridiculous standard format these days of “IF you were offended, I am sorry.”
     
    I shouldn't have made a comment that could be construed as a racial joke; I'll concede that, even though - let's be honest here - it was pretty mild by the standards of this site. As far as being worried that I "look like a racist asshole", that sounds like projection on your part. What are your "heterodox ideas" after all, than things that would get you called "a racist asshole" where you work?

    Back 20 years ago, Pavel was light years head of most fitness gurus in the U.S. – he actually emphasized functional strength and high range of mobility and strength at the end of the range of motion, all of which helped me greatly with athletic performance (rather than looking good). I contacted him then and he gave me excellent advice (all for free) though I did buy several of his books eventually (on my own). So I forgive him even his fake story about being a Spetznaz trainer.

     

    I didn't know he faked being a Spetznaz trainer. That's funny.

    Look here, if you really want to “bury the hatchet,” I’m okay with that, but I’d have to perceive some sincerity on your part.
     
    I was being sincere. You can take it or leave it. I don't have anything invested either way.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    I didn’t say that those judokas were “sloppy ”, and I made no comment about the appearance of judokas. I said high level judo often looks sloppy and terrible.

    Seriously? I was referring to the latter.

    That’s an opinion of mine, which appears to be widely-shared

    Widely-shared by whom? Could you please cite a source in which commentators say “High level Judo often looks sloppy and terrible”? Anything remotely resembling that sentiment should suffice.

    I have more than a dozen sports channels showing everything from snowboarding to soccer and don’t recall ever seeing judo on one of them outside of the Olympics.

    If you were an honest interlocutor, you would remember that I told you why that is so. Judo is a niche sport in the U.S. It is, however, very popular in Asia and Europe (indeed, France has more registered Judo practitioners than Japan, the origin country, does, and the Judo Grand Prixe in Paris draws packed crowds and a big TV audience).

    None of this matters, because you don’t argue honestly. You don’t address the substance of what I wrote and keep oozing around it like Jell-O on the wall, the prime example being:

    at least try to understand what I wrote, rather than getting worked up about something ridiculous that I didn’t say (that the best judokas in the world were terrible; by definition, if they’re the best, they’re not terrible).

    That’s an opinion of mine

    Yes, and my opinon on that is that you are ill-informed and that it is particularly galling coming from someone who looks like he is going to have a heartattack after running a mile. How about this?

    I’d love to be able to post a picture of you, in all your bulbous glory, next to the above video with a caption, “Nah, I took a couple of years of Judo in junior high school. These guys are slopply and terrible.”

    I shouldn’t have made a comment that could be construed as a racial joke; I’ll concede that, even though – let’s be honest here – it was pretty mild by the standards of this site.

    This is the kind of a thing that gives me a full measure of you as a person. Fake-apology combined with a caveat that, really, the apology isn’t necessary, but you are doing it anyway, because you are the bigger (pardon the pun) man.

    You can take it or leave it. I don’t have anything invested either way.

    Yeah, that oozes with sincerity.

    As far as being worried that I “look like a racist asshole”, that sounds like projection on your part. What are your “heterodox ideas” after all, than things that would get you called “a racist asshole” where you work?

    I am not an asshole, because I don’t make fun of other people’s races or any inborn trait over which they had no choice or control. And when I apologize, I apologize. I don’t engage in passive-aggression and fake apologies.

    My heterodox views are that, simply put, there are demographic differences, some cultural, some inherited, among different groups of people and that they are worth studying.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Twinkie

    I'm glad you guys are using your last few months of American Republic faux-liberty constructively

  252. @Dave Pinsen
    @Twinkie

    I'll admit I never saw a 480 lbs judoka when I took judo, but I never saw anyone with a washboard stomach either. If an average person didn't know otherwise, and saw one of the black belts from my school on the street, he wouldn't suspect they were black belt judokas, or athletes at all.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    I’ll admit I never saw a 480 lbs judoka when I took judo, but I never saw anyone with a washboard stomach either. If an average person didn’t know otherwise, and saw one of the black belts from my school on the street, he wouldn’t suspect they were black belt judokas, or athletes at all.

    I don’t know what McDojo you went to as a child, but when you train where there are Olympians, even small children have “washboard stomachs.”

    See this video at about 0:28 mark. That’s what an elite Judoka looks like:

    You wouldn’t realize that he has a physique like that when he has his Gi on.

    As I mentioned before, my eldest son is a top-level junior Judoka and BJJ competitor. Ever since he was about seven, when you hugged him, his body felt like a boulder. He doesn’t have a six-pack – he has an eight-pack and muscles growing on top of muscles – all without having done any weight-lifting. And he has incredible functional strength (he can do squats while balancing himself on a stability ball, then fall backward, flip over the ball, and land on the ground on his feet). But that’s not surprising since he’s been manhandling another, fully-resisting, human being his size (and sometimes heavier) for a couple of hours everyday since he was a toddler.

    Competitive Judokas, along with wrestlers, are probably the second functionally-strongest group of athletes, pound per pound (the first being gymnasts).

  253. @Twinkie
    @Dave Pinsen


    I didn’t say that those judokas were “sloppy ”, and I made no comment about the appearance of judokas. I said high level judo often looks sloppy and terrible.
     
    Seriously? I was referring to the latter.

    That’s an opinion of mine, which appears to be widely-shared
     
    Widely-shared by whom? Could you please cite a source in which commentators say "High level Judo often looks sloppy and terrible"? Anything remotely resembling that sentiment should suffice.

    I have more than a dozen sports channels showing everything from snowboarding to soccer and don’t recall ever seeing judo on one of them outside of the Olympics.
     
    If you were an honest interlocutor, you would remember that I told you why that is so. Judo is a niche sport in the U.S. It is, however, very popular in Asia and Europe (indeed, France has more registered Judo practitioners than Japan, the origin country, does, and the Judo Grand Prixe in Paris draws packed crowds and a big TV audience).

    None of this matters, because you don't argue honestly. You don't address the substance of what I wrote and keep oozing around it like Jell-O on the wall, the prime example being:

    at least try to understand what I wrote, rather than getting worked up about something ridiculous that I didn’t say (that the best judokas in the world were terrible; by definition, if they’re the best, they’re not terrible).
     

    That’s an opinion of mine
     
    Yes, and my opinon on that is that you are ill-informed and that it is particularly galling coming from someone who looks like he is going to have a heartattack after running a mile. How about this?

    https://youtu.be/pQJrgIOplFo

    I'd love to be able to post a picture of you, in all your bulbous glory, next to the above video with a caption, "Nah, I took a couple of years of Judo in junior high school. These guys are slopply and terrible."

    I shouldn’t have made a comment that could be construed as a racial joke; I’ll concede that, even though – let’s be honest here – it was pretty mild by the standards of this site.
     
    This is the kind of a thing that gives me a full measure of you as a person. Fake-apology combined with a caveat that, really, the apology isn't necessary, but you are doing it anyway, because you are the bigger (pardon the pun) man.

    You can take it or leave it. I don’t have anything invested either way.
     
    Yeah, that oozes with sincerity.

    As far as being worried that I “look like a racist asshole”, that sounds like projection on your part. What are your “heterodox ideas” after all, than things that would get you called “a racist asshole” where you work?
     
    I am not an asshole, because I don't make fun of other people's races or any inborn trait over which they had no choice or control. And when I apologize, I apologize. I don't engage in passive-aggression and fake apologies.

    My heterodox views are that, simply put, there are demographic differences, some cultural, some inherited, among different groups of people and that they are worth studying.

    Replies: @Truth

    I’m glad you guys are using your last few months of American Republic faux-liberty constructively

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