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As an American, not being an American is Who We Are. The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward all 7.5 billion (and counting) Pre-Americans moving to America to fight racist nativism.

As two statesmen explained the new orthodoxy fifteen years ago:

“America has never been united by blood or birth or soil. We are bound by ideals that move us beyond our backgrounds, lift us above our interests and teach us what it means to be citizens. Every child must be taught these principles. Every citizen must uphold them; and every immigrant, by embracing these ideals, makes our country more, not less, American.” – George W. Bush

“America is not only for the whites, but it is for all. Who is the America? The American is you, me, and that. When we go to America we will become Americans and there is no a race or nationalism called America and the Americans are those Africans, Indians, Chinese, and Europeans and whoever goes to America will become American…. American is for all of us and the whole world had made and created America. All the people all over the world had made America and it shall accordingly be for all of us.” — Col. Muammar Gaddafi of Libya

iSteve commenter Cagey Beast says:

George W. Bush was describing the White liberal understanding of the arrangement while Gaddafi was describing everyone else’s understanding of it.

 
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  1. “What it means to be an American”, from Sacramento’s leading free tabloid.
    https://www.newsreview.com/sacramento/what-it-means-to-be/content?oid=28354705

    • Replies: @Autochthon

    Sacramento News & Review asked a diverse group of prominent people in the Sacramento area for theirs: Pat Fong Kushida, president & CEO of the Sacramento Asian Pacific Chamber of Commerce; Basim Elkarra, director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, Sacramento Valley chapter; Ebony Harper, a Sacramento activist who is head of the new National Alliance for Trans Liberation and Advancement; and Eric Guerra, vice mayor of Sacramento.
     
    Right; so they didn't talk to any actual Americans. In Sacramento, there were perhaps none available to comment. Fred Jones, a man who actually works for a living, supports a family, and has ancestors who fought the British, would have contributed an illuminating and hilarious fifth perspective here, and the "one of these things is not like the other" effect would have been stark...which, of course, is probably why they made sure not to include it.
  2. The critical difference between the two tho, is that the first outlines it as a set of beliefs, ideals and codified behaviors – and anyone wishing to assilimate must learn, embrace and internalize these set of beliefs. If one demonstrates these behaviors – I don’t see what’s the problem with what he’s saying? Objectively it’s true no?

    Gaddafi on the other hand is literally saying it’s a free for all and ours for the taking just cause it’s there.

    Major difference.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    George W. Bush was describing the White liberal understanding of the arrangement while Gaddafi was describing everyone else's understanding of it.
    , @Kylie
    "The critical difference between the two tho, is that the first outlines it as a set of beliefs, ideals and codified behaviors – and anyone wishing to assilimate must learn, embrace and internalize these set of beliefs. If one demonstrates these behaviors – I don’t see what’s the problem with what he’s saying? Objectively it’s true no?"

    No.
    , @TTSSYF
    What GWB said was a necessary but not sufficient condition for being an American.
    , @MarkinLA
    The critical difference is that all the BS GWB barfed out goes out the window once identity politics enters the fray. The only way to make sure it doesn't happen is to limit the number of grievance groups. I think you know what that means.
  3. but it bends toward all 7.5 billion (and counting) pre-Americans moving to America.

    Please start qualifying this statement. There are plenty of us outside the US who see that it is already finished and wouldn’t move there if you paid us.

    • Agree: trelane
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Those plenty of "you" are peanuts compared to Africa, India, and the rest of the turd world.

    I know, math is hard ....
    , @J.Ross
    >there are people who wouldn't move there if you paid them
    >says the guy living in Republic of Korea, which is one of under a dozen countries with a materially much higher standard of living
    , @Don Kong
    The point, as I take it, is that those who favor open borders can’t and won’t state a theoretical upper limit on the number of new immigrants that would be “enough.” The world population is welcome, so whether or not you’re interested, you’re approved “pre-American.”
    , @Icy Blast
    I agree. I'd rather live in Seoul...or Busan, or Inchon...
  4. Accordingly, Gaddafi was the first American casualty of the Lybian war! Well, he would have fit in really well at Beverly Hills!

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    "Accordingly, Gaddafi was the first American casualty of the Lybian war! "

    That's because he forgot to mention the trannies. See what happened to the Planned Parenthood chief when she forgot to mention the trannies?

    Always mention the trannies.
  5. @BB753
    Accordingly, Gaddafi was the first American casualty of the Lybian war! Well, he would have fit in really well at Beverly Hills!

    “Accordingly, Gaddafi was the first American casualty of the Lybian war! ”

    That’s because he forgot to mention the trannies. See what happened to the Planned Parenthood chief when she forgot to mention the trannies?

    Always mention the trannies.

  6. An iSteve joke that only insiders understand? Where does the Gaddafi quote come from? Google’s never seen it.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    C. Van Carter showed it to me on Gadaffi's blog. We had a lengthy discussion at the time over whether Gadaffi's blog was authentic. While you could imagine a nugget like this one being created by a parodist, the bulk of the blog was pretty boring, so he persuaded me that it was probably for real.
    , @Anonymous
    Steve cited his source, which cited algathafi.org, which is dead, but archived here.
  7. @Seoulite
    but it bends toward all 7.5 billion (and counting) pre-Americans moving to America.

    Please start qualifying this statement. There are plenty of us outside the US who see that it is already finished and wouldn’t move there if you paid us.

    Those plenty of “you” are peanuts compared to Africa, India, and the rest of the turd world.

    I know, math is hard ….

  8. @Anon
    An iSteve joke that only insiders understand? Where does the Gaddafi quote come from? Google's never seen it.

    C. Van Carter showed it to me on Gadaffi’s blog. We had a lengthy discussion at the time over whether Gadaffi’s blog was authentic. While you could imagine a nugget like this one being created by a parodist, the bulk of the blog was pretty boring, so he persuaded me that it was probably for real.

  9. America has never been united by blood or birth or soil. We are bound by ideals that move us beyond our backgrounds, lift us above our interests and teach us what it means to be citizens.

    And if you need a lesson on how to be united by something other than blood or birth, or in moving beyond your background, what better place to get it than from a man who is the grandson of a senator, the son of a president, whose brother tried to become president (raising over $100 million for his campaign with little to no effort), and who only became president himself thanks to his family connections?

    • Replies: @Rosie

    lift us above our interests and teach us what it means to be citizens.
     
    And BTW the Veil of Ignorance is for Whites only. Everyone else gets to act with their own interests in mind, including demanding ever more wage-depressing immigration however harmful that me to your fellow citizens.
    , @SMK
    I wonder what Jewish neocon speech writer wrote this speech. The abstract ideals of a neocon puppet and sycophant, the ironic rejection of blood and birth by man blessed by blood and birth. The malignant and deadly power and influence of this buffoon and mediocrity was and is wholly derived from birth and blood.
  10. “America has never been united by blood or birth or soil. […]” – George W. Bush

    Wrong again.

    That could be an entry in “Lies that a hostile elite tells its subject people to demoralize them and maintain control,” a book that writes itself even using iSteve posts alone.

  11. Hail says: • Website

    The American is you, me, and that. When we go to America we will become Americans […] whoever goes to America will become American…. American is for all of us

    If Gaddafi had only asked for asylum and/or US citizenship and turned into an Instant American, he could have avoided getting Gaddafi’ed, so brutally, by Hillary, in 2011.

    It was so simple. Why didn’t he think of that?

    Some people just aren’t very good at taking their own advice.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    He also warned that he was the cork bottling the Merkelboner.
    , @Father O'Hara
    And think of the chicks!
    "Jeffrey? Momo. Ha ha they're hanging high! You? That's good. Ghislane is well, I trust.
    Hey,yeah ,you know I'll be in town next week and you don't suppose I could cruise by--that'd be fine. Yeah. Uhm you know that thing I like? We can do that? Super! OK,be well!"
  12. @ConfirmationBias
    The critical difference between the two tho, is that the first outlines it as a set of beliefs, ideals and codified behaviors - and anyone wishing to assilimate must learn, embrace and internalize these set of beliefs. If one demonstrates these behaviors - I don’t see what’s the problem with what he’s saying? Objectively it’s true no?

    Gaddafi on the other hand is literally saying it’s a free for all and ours for the taking just cause it’s there.

    Major difference.

    George W. Bush was describing the White liberal understanding of the arrangement while Gaddafi was describing everyone else’s understanding of it.

    • Agree: ConfirmationBias, Moses
    • Replies: @ConfirmationBias
    Nailed it. Except it’s not necessarily white liberal... but I suppose any pragmatist’s understanding of American values and what it means to actually immigrate (duh).... vs people being opportunistic because hey, the PC / liberal brigade is rolling out the red carpet anyway, who are we to say no.

    Everyone wants to improve their station in life. It’s human nature and survival - and that instinct is too strong, and the sooner we recognize and accept it and work with that understanding, the better any policy will be.

    You can either make people earn their pay (or stay), cause nothing comes for free and that’s life... or you can sit there doling out cash till you’re broke (or giving over your house to anyone who just comes by, squats and claim it’s rightfully his). And then blame the guy who grabbed it from your outstretched palm. One of this is a better plan than the other.

  13. @Seoulite
    but it bends toward all 7.5 billion (and counting) pre-Americans moving to America.

    Please start qualifying this statement. There are plenty of us outside the US who see that it is already finished and wouldn’t move there if you paid us.

    >there are people who wouldn’t move there if you paid them
    >says the guy living in Republic of Korea, which is one of under a dozen countries with a materially much higher standard of living

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    says the guy living in Republic of Korea, which is one of [over] a dozen countries
     
    ...dependant on the US for national security.

    Or at least pretending to be, to save a few won.

  14. Anonymous[388] • Disclaimer says:

    Speaking of Bush and Gaddafi, I was just thinking today that post-Trump America will be kind of like post-Saddam Iraq. And people like Erick Erickson will be like the guy who took a sledgehammer to the Saddam statue now wishing Saddam was still in power.* Not that Trump has been a dictator or even had much power. But the establishment backlash has let loose such destructive forces which are now under control only because they are concerted and focused on Trump. From federal judges usurping power from the people to local jurisdictions threatening federal law enforcement with arrest if they violate local law (Massachusetts AG Henley telling ICE not to enter state courts to detain illegals or they will be arrested). It’s going to be a clusterf*ck and might lead to social and economic collapse. And all the king’s horses and all the king’s men will not be able to put America back together again.

    *https://www.npr.org/2018/04/09/600761800/iraqi-who-toppled-saddam-hussein-statue-15-years-ago-regrets-his-action

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
    • Replies: @Hail
    The Iraqi media was pro-Saddam while he was still around.

    The US media today, in your analogy, may be approximately equivalent to the foreign military forces that bombed Saddam's Iraq in the 1990s and invaded in 2003.

    US media : US nation/people :: US military : Saddam's Iraq

    In other (blunter) words: the media is the enemy.

    , @Corn
    “(Massachusetts AG Henley telling ICE not to enter state courts to detain illegals or they will be arrested). ”

    What? Arresting federal agents for doing their jobs?

    The fact that Trump hasn’t invoked the Insurrection Act already tells me this country is finished.

    The Democrats are going full Confederate and Trump just tweets.
  15. @Hail

    The American is you, me, and that. When we go to America we will become Americans [...] whoever goes to America will become American…. American is for all of us
     
    If Gaddafi had only asked for asylum and/or US citizenship and turned into an Instant American, he could have avoided getting Gaddafi'ed, so brutally, by Hillary, in 2011.

    It was so simple. Why didn't he think of that?

    Some people just aren't very good at taking their own advice.

    He also warned that he was the cork bottling the Merkelboner.

  16. @Cagey Beast
    George W. Bush was describing the White liberal understanding of the arrangement while Gaddafi was describing everyone else's understanding of it.

    Nailed it. Except it’s not necessarily white liberal… but I suppose any pragmatist’s understanding of American values and what it means to actually immigrate (duh)…. vs people being opportunistic because hey, the PC / liberal brigade is rolling out the red carpet anyway, who are we to say no.

    Everyone wants to improve their station in life. It’s human nature and survival – and that instinct is too strong, and the sooner we recognize and accept it and work with that understanding, the better any policy will be.

    You can either make people earn their pay (or stay), cause nothing comes for free and that’s life… or you can sit there doling out cash till you’re broke (or giving over your house to anyone who just comes by, squats and claim it’s rightfully his). And then blame the guy who grabbed it from your outstretched palm. One of this is a better plan than the other.

  17. @Anonymous
    Speaking of Bush and Gaddafi, I was just thinking today that post-Trump America will be kind of like post-Saddam Iraq. And people like Erick Erickson will be like the guy who took a sledgehammer to the Saddam statue now wishing Saddam was still in power.* Not that Trump has been a dictator or even had much power. But the establishment backlash has let loose such destructive forces which are now under control only because they are concerted and focused on Trump. From federal judges usurping power from the people to local jurisdictions threatening federal law enforcement with arrest if they violate local law (Massachusetts AG Henley telling ICE not to enter state courts to detain illegals or they will be arrested). It’s going to be a clusterf*ck and might lead to social and economic collapse. And all the king's horses and all the king's men will not be able to put America back together again.

    *https://www.npr.org/2018/04/09/600761800/iraqi-who-toppled-saddam-hussein-statue-15-years-ago-regrets-his-action

    The Iraqi media was pro-Saddam while he was still around.

    The US media today, in your analogy, may be approximately equivalent to the foreign military forces that bombed Saddam’s Iraq in the 1990s and invaded in 2003.

    US media : US nation/people :: US military : Saddam’s Iraq

    In other (blunter) words: the media is the enemy.

  18. @Wilkey

    America has never been united by blood or birth or soil. We are bound by ideals that move us beyond our backgrounds, lift us above our interests and teach us what it means to be citizens.
     
    And if you need a lesson on how to be united by something other than blood or birth, or in moving beyond your background, what better place to get it than from a man who is the grandson of a senator, the son of a president, whose brother tried to become president (raising over $100 million for his campaign with little to no effort), and who only became president himself thanks to his family connections?

    lift us above our interests and teach us what it means to be citizens.

    And BTW the Veil of Ignorance is for Whites only. Everyone else gets to act with their own interests in mind, including demanding ever more wage-depressing immigration however harmful that me to your fellow citizens.

  19. @Seoulite
    but it bends toward all 7.5 billion (and counting) pre-Americans moving to America.

    Please start qualifying this statement. There are plenty of us outside the US who see that it is already finished and wouldn’t move there if you paid us.

    The point, as I take it, is that those who favor open borders can’t and won’t state a theoretical upper limit on the number of new immigrants that would be “enough.” The world population is welcome, so whether or not you’re interested, you’re approved “pre-American.”

  20. @ConfirmationBias
    The critical difference between the two tho, is that the first outlines it as a set of beliefs, ideals and codified behaviors - and anyone wishing to assilimate must learn, embrace and internalize these set of beliefs. If one demonstrates these behaviors - I don’t see what’s the problem with what he’s saying? Objectively it’s true no?

    Gaddafi on the other hand is literally saying it’s a free for all and ours for the taking just cause it’s there.

    Major difference.

    “The critical difference between the two tho, is that the first outlines it as a set of beliefs, ideals and codified behaviors – and anyone wishing to assilimate must learn, embrace and internalize these set of beliefs. If one demonstrates these behaviors – I don’t see what’s the problem with what he’s saying? Objectively it’s true no?”

    No.

    • Replies: @ConfirmationBias
    Lol ok then...

    What do I know. I’m not a red-faced son-of-the-soil Native American.
  21. “America has never been united by blood or birth or soil”

    And you know, apart from the first ~350 years – from the settlement of Jamestown in 1607 to the 1965 Immigration (which itself passed with the claim that it wouldn’t disrupt the ethnic balance of the country) – he was totally right.

    358 years = Never
    39 years = All of American history

    • Replies: @Hail
    Pre-Jamestown white ventures into N.America were also "united by blood and birth."

    - 998: first year of known Viking presence in N.America, colonization effort followed;
    - 1362: date inscribed on the Kensington Runestone, implying possibility of some kind of Scandinavian presence;
    - 1540s to 1590s: many European settlements are set up in N.America but do not hold;
    - 1562: major Huguenot colony in Florida, the first post-Columbus major White settlement effort in N.America (later suppressed by Catholics);
    - 1580s: first large-scale English settlement attempt at Roanoke (later wiped out).

    It's more like many centuries of Blood and Soil followed by a few decades of a hostile elite lecturing us on how bad we are (the present).

  22. Both of them are describing what appears to be the Antichrist: a proxy for a universal religion. Which is exactly how cultural Marxists and Neocons see it, though they be in denial of the fact.

    • Replies: @Ozymandias
    "Both of them are describing what appears to be the Antichrist: a proxy for a universal religion."

    The mark of the beast is upon us:
    http://www.bing.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2019/07/14/swedish-people-are-getting-chip-implants-to-replace-cash-credit-cards/amp/

    And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17And that no man might buy or sell, save that he had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
  23. @J.Ross
    >there are people who wouldn't move there if you paid them
    >says the guy living in Republic of Korea, which is one of under a dozen countries with a materially much higher standard of living

    says the guy living in Republic of Korea, which is one of [over] a dozen countries

    …dependant on the US for national security.

    Or at least pretending to be, to save a few won.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist

    …dependant on the US for national security ....
     
    You guys need to step back and think about this. US troops deployed to a country are our sales and after-sales support force for huge volumes of arms sales. The problem is that RoK is now in the arms export business as well, so it's time to re-deploy the sales and support force elsewhere, hence the rapproachement with the Norks. Germany also became a competitor, so it was time to re-deploy the sales force eastward. Putin gets it, but he knows how flaky the east Europeans are, so that is really why Russia is beefing up its forces.
  24. Hail says: • Website
    @Wilkey
    "America has never been united by blood or birth or soil"

    And you know, apart from the first ~350 years - from the settlement of Jamestown in 1607 to the 1965 Immigration (which itself passed with the claim that it wouldn't disrupt the ethnic balance of the country) - he was totally right.

    358 years = Never
    39 years = All of American history

    Pre-Jamestown white ventures into N.America were also “united by blood and birth.”

    – 998: first year of known Viking presence in N.America, colonization effort followed;
    – 1362: date inscribed on the Kensington Runestone, implying possibility of some kind of Scandinavian presence;
    – 1540s to 1590s: many European settlements are set up in N.America but do not hold;
    – 1562: major Huguenot colony in Florida, the first post-Columbus major White settlement effort in N.America (later suppressed by Catholics);
    – 1580s: first large-scale English settlement attempt at Roanoke (later wiped out).

    It’s more like many centuries of Blood and Soil followed by a few decades of a hostile elite lecturing us on how bad we are (the present).

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    – 1362: date inscribed on the Kensington Runestone, implying possibility of some kind of Scandinavian presence;
     
    http://highwayhighlights.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/DSCN1455-1024x768.jpg
    , @Wilkey
    I'm fascinated by how easily they segue from one extreme to the other: "America has never been united by blood or birth" so very quickly becomes "America has always been an evil, oppressive, racist, xenophobic country."
  25. When Bush and Gaddafi said these things, the Khalifa Haftars of the world were listening.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalifa_Haftar

  26. @Hail
    Pre-Jamestown white ventures into N.America were also "united by blood and birth."

    - 998: first year of known Viking presence in N.America, colonization effort followed;
    - 1362: date inscribed on the Kensington Runestone, implying possibility of some kind of Scandinavian presence;
    - 1540s to 1590s: many European settlements are set up in N.America but do not hold;
    - 1562: major Huguenot colony in Florida, the first post-Columbus major White settlement effort in N.America (later suppressed by Catholics);
    - 1580s: first large-scale English settlement attempt at Roanoke (later wiped out).

    It's more like many centuries of Blood and Soil followed by a few decades of a hostile elite lecturing us on how bad we are (the present).

    – 1362: date inscribed on the Kensington Runestone, implying possibility of some kind of Scandinavian presence;

    • Replies: @Charon
    Ha! Right up there with Santa Casa di Loreto.
  27. @Reg Cæsar

    – 1362: date inscribed on the Kensington Runestone, implying possibility of some kind of Scandinavian presence;
     
    http://highwayhighlights.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/DSCN1455-1024x768.jpg

    Ha! Right up there with Santa Casa di Loreto.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Those Knights Templar got around.
  28. @Hail
    Pre-Jamestown white ventures into N.America were also "united by blood and birth."

    - 998: first year of known Viking presence in N.America, colonization effort followed;
    - 1362: date inscribed on the Kensington Runestone, implying possibility of some kind of Scandinavian presence;
    - 1540s to 1590s: many European settlements are set up in N.America but do not hold;
    - 1562: major Huguenot colony in Florida, the first post-Columbus major White settlement effort in N.America (later suppressed by Catholics);
    - 1580s: first large-scale English settlement attempt at Roanoke (later wiped out).

    It's more like many centuries of Blood and Soil followed by a few decades of a hostile elite lecturing us on how bad we are (the present).

    I’m fascinated by how easily they segue from one extreme to the other: “America has never been united by blood or birth” so very quickly becomes “America has always been an evil, oppressive, racist, xenophobic country.”

  29. America has never been united by blood or birth or soil. We are bound by ideals that move us beyond our backgrounds, lift us above our interests and teach us what it means to be citizens. Every child must be taught these principles. Every citizen must uphold them; and every immigrant, by embracing these ideals, makes our country more, not less, American.” – George W. Bush

    If we, as a nation, were bound by ideals…………….then how come we had a civil war that killed upwards of 600,000 people? How many people would have died if we weren’t “bound by ideals”?

    Boomer-Con American Exceptionalism is rubbish. Stupid, destructive rubbish.

  30. @Charon
    Ha! Right up there with Santa Casa di Loreto.

    Those Knights Templar got around.

  31. @Seoulite
    but it bends toward all 7.5 billion (and counting) pre-Americans moving to America.

    Please start qualifying this statement. There are plenty of us outside the US who see that it is already finished and wouldn’t move there if you paid us.

    I agree. I’d rather live in Seoul…or Busan, or Inchon…

  32. A repost..

    This is not complicated. True, due to a combination of WASP snobbery of old stock Americans & fluid ethnic identities of various European & other immigrants, class, religious & racial differences tend to be stressed to such a degree that it all becomes so superficially complicated- just, in reality it is not.

    Americans are English speaking phenotypical Euro-Americans (including European descendants) belonging to Western culture.

    American historical national minorities are various Native American peoples & descendants of freed black slaves.They are not part of American people, but are American national minorities.

    Are, according to this, blacks -Americans, in this restricted sense? No, just look at the phenotype.
    Muslims? Not, they don’t belong to the Western culture. Hispanics? Yes, if they are white (more or less) & adopt English as their primary language. Lebanese Christians? Yes, because they are phenotypically white (or “white”), Christianity makes them assimilable into Western culture & they, supposedly, speak English after some time. Iranians? No, if they remain Muslims, hence no Western culture; phenotypically marginally white, so they can pass. Peruvian Indians? No, not European phenotype. Indians from India? The vast majority- no. Only some negligible percentage of light skinned north Indians who are neither Hindus nor Muslims & have adopted Christianity as an entrance to broader Western culture or are Western-type atheists. Jews? Yes & no. If they have Euro-phenotype & are assimilated into European culture, with some kind of diluted Euro-Judaism as a religion, then yes. Otherwise- no. Japanese? No, different phenotype. The same with Chinese.

    So, you have three inclusion elements: Euro- or almost-Euro phenotype & English language & Western culture.

    And three exclusion elements: non-Euro phenotype; no English language adoption; no Western culture, mostly related to clearly different religious-cultural spheres: Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, …

    Celebrity Buddhists & similar people are, of course, nothing serious to discuss…

  33. So, who I am is not an American … just a US-born tax donkey who has to pay the freight for the other 7.5 billion Real Americans.

  34. @Reg Cæsar

    says the guy living in Republic of Korea, which is one of [over] a dozen countries
     
    ...dependant on the US for national security.

    Or at least pretending to be, to save a few won.

    …dependant on the US for national security ….

    You guys need to step back and think about this. US troops deployed to a country are our sales and after-sales support force for huge volumes of arms sales. The problem is that RoK is now in the arms export business as well, so it’s time to re-deploy the sales and support force elsewhere, hence the rapproachement with the Norks. Germany also became a competitor, so it was time to re-deploy the sales force eastward. Putin gets it, but he knows how flaky the east Europeans are, so that is really why Russia is beefing up its forces.

  35. Bush/Qudaffi disciple Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez repeated this mantra in her recent musings on the Terrible Trump Tweets, expressing the doctrine (as she would) in its most beautiful and profound essence: ‘This country belongs to everyone’.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    Time to start sending everyone property tax notices.
  36. @The Last Real Calvinist
    Bush/Qudaffi disciple Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez repeated this mantra in her recent musings on the Terrible Trump Tweets, expressing the doctrine (as she would) in its most beautiful and profound essence: 'This country belongs to everyone'.

    Time to start sending everyone property tax notices.

  37. @Kylie
    "The critical difference between the two tho, is that the first outlines it as a set of beliefs, ideals and codified behaviors – and anyone wishing to assilimate must learn, embrace and internalize these set of beliefs. If one demonstrates these behaviors – I don’t see what’s the problem with what he’s saying? Objectively it’s true no?"

    No.

    Lol ok then…

    What do I know. I’m not a red-faced son-of-the-soil Native American.

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
    That's not true. You do know.
    , @ben tillman

    Lol ok then…

    What do I know. I’m not a red-faced son-of-the-soil Native American.
     
    Why would that be relevant? It's not true for any place, and it should be easy to extrapolate from how it is where you come from.
  38. @International Jew
    "What it means to be an American", from Sacramento's leading free tabloid.
    https://www.newsreview.com/sacramento/what-it-means-to-be/content?oid=28354705

    Sacramento News & Review asked a diverse group of prominent people in the Sacramento area for theirs: Pat Fong Kushida, president & CEO of the Sacramento Asian Pacific Chamber of Commerce; Basim Elkarra, director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, Sacramento Valley chapter; Ebony Harper, a Sacramento activist who is head of the new National Alliance for Trans Liberation and Advancement; and Eric Guerra, vice mayor of Sacramento.

    Right; so they didn’t talk to any actual Americans. In Sacramento, there were perhaps none available to comment. Fred Jones, a man who actually works for a living, supports a family, and has ancestors who fought the British, would have contributed an illuminating and hilarious fifth perspective here, and the “one of these things is not like the other” effect would have been stark…which, of course, is probably why they made sure not to include it.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    Who's Fred Jones??

    Anyway, yeah, we're looking at an article about "what it means to be an American", that features people who aren't American.

    Imagine a piece about a "great basketball player" featuring a guy who insists they give him points for just hitting the backboard.
  39. @ConfirmationBias
    The critical difference between the two tho, is that the first outlines it as a set of beliefs, ideals and codified behaviors - and anyone wishing to assilimate must learn, embrace and internalize these set of beliefs. If one demonstrates these behaviors - I don’t see what’s the problem with what he’s saying? Objectively it’s true no?

    Gaddafi on the other hand is literally saying it’s a free for all and ours for the taking just cause it’s there.

    Major difference.

    What GWB said was a necessary but not sufficient condition for being an American.

    • Agree: Kylie
  40. @ConfirmationBias
    Lol ok then...

    What do I know. I’m not a red-faced son-of-the-soil Native American.

    That’s not true. You do know.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    Thank you.
  41. So I should just plan on that second passport and renouncing right now?

  42. @Anonymous
    Speaking of Bush and Gaddafi, I was just thinking today that post-Trump America will be kind of like post-Saddam Iraq. And people like Erick Erickson will be like the guy who took a sledgehammer to the Saddam statue now wishing Saddam was still in power.* Not that Trump has been a dictator or even had much power. But the establishment backlash has let loose such destructive forces which are now under control only because they are concerted and focused on Trump. From federal judges usurping power from the people to local jurisdictions threatening federal law enforcement with arrest if they violate local law (Massachusetts AG Henley telling ICE not to enter state courts to detain illegals or they will be arrested). It’s going to be a clusterf*ck and might lead to social and economic collapse. And all the king's horses and all the king's men will not be able to put America back together again.

    *https://www.npr.org/2018/04/09/600761800/iraqi-who-toppled-saddam-hussein-statue-15-years-ago-regrets-his-action

    “(Massachusetts AG Henley telling ICE not to enter state courts to detain illegals or they will be arrested). ”

    What? Arresting federal agents for doing their jobs?

    The fact that Trump hasn’t invoked the Insurrection Act already tells me this country is finished.

    The Democrats are going full Confederate and Trump just tweets.

  43. What needs to be stated when America is described as a set of ideas and ideals, is that those ideas were thought of by, and only would ever be thought by, White, Protestant Christian, English speaking people.

    I think America and all our accomplishments are just what happens when people of the British Isles and Germanic tribes are taught Christian principles and are free from aristocratic social structures.

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
    Wrong about Protestant only. That’s ignoring the importance of the Louisiana purchase and the entire state of Maryland’s founding. A significant Catholic minority has always been here from the beginning.

    1600s/1700s Britain wasn’t even uniformly Protestant.
  44. Anonymous[308] • Disclaimer says:

    “America is not only for the whites, but it is for all. Who is the America? The American is you, me, and that.

    So, even Gaddy, who denounced the US as an imperialist state all his life, bought into the American Myth of equality for all.

    As Americanism is an idea and as ideas are exportable, looks like Libya got ‘Americanized’ too.

  45. Anonymous[308] • Disclaimer says:

    We are bound by ideals that move us beyond our backgrounds, lift us above our interests and teach us what it means to be citizens.

    So, Americanism teaches immigrants to betray and forget their own origins and backgrounds. ‘Move us beyond our backgrounds’ as if 100os of yrs of history mean nothing.
    ‘Lift us beyond our interests’? Did Bush ever tell that to Jews who are always about Israel and Jews, Jews, Jews? It seems like current Americanism is about goyim dumping their backgrounds and moving beyond their interests to serve the background and interests of Jews.

    People like Bush urge Palestinian-Americans to drop their background and become good Americans, but this demand is never made of Jews and Zionists.

  46. Jebby Bush tried to push the open borders mass legal immigration and amnesty for illegal alien invaders policy of George HW Bush and George W Bush and the people of New Hampshire and Iowa and South Carolina said no thank you to that.

    Jebby Bush spent a hundred million dollars or more of donor money and the voters said no thank you.

    Tweets from 2015:

  47. Anonymous[415] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    An iSteve joke that only insiders understand? Where does the Gaddafi quote come from? Google's never seen it.

    Steve cited his source, which cited algathafi.org, which is dead, but archived here.

  48. @Clemsnman
    What needs to be stated when America is described as a set of ideas and ideals, is that those ideas were thought of by, and only would ever be thought by, White, Protestant Christian, English speaking people.

    I think America and all our accomplishments are just what happens when people of the British Isles and Germanic tribes are taught Christian principles and are free from aristocratic social structures.

    Wrong about Protestant only. That’s ignoring the importance of the Louisiana purchase and the entire state of Maryland’s founding. A significant Catholic minority has always been here from the beginning.

    1600s/1700s Britain wasn’t even uniformly Protestant.

  49. Hay there Steve! Thanks fer makin’ a post all about lil’ ol’ me!!

    To paranormal-phrase mah buddy Bay-rack about our other buddy Hillary who whacked Kay-doffy – and Hillary is married to our other buddy Bill – (we’re all peas from the same pod)

    If y’all like your country – you can’t keep yore country – ’cause we’re takin’ it from you and giving it away to whoever! And it won’t matter to us ’cause we have Secret Sauce Agents protecting us and nayborhood gates and stuff

    Funniest thang about our buddy Hillary ordering Kay-doffy ta get 86’d is he was holdin’ back the mass migration of foreign people who weren’t from Europe.

    No wonder Hillary laffed so hard about whackin’ Kay-doffy! That gal gits off on people dyin’.

    After Kay-doffy was gone and we stirred the pot in the Middle East agin in Syrupia (man, that never gits old, ah love them neo-conservationists) we had caravans like they hadn’t seen since refugees fled them Nazi armies!

    We love ta stir thangs up and then show compassionate conservation. Thats who WE are.

  50. @ConfirmationBias
    The critical difference between the two tho, is that the first outlines it as a set of beliefs, ideals and codified behaviors - and anyone wishing to assilimate must learn, embrace and internalize these set of beliefs. If one demonstrates these behaviors - I don’t see what’s the problem with what he’s saying? Objectively it’s true no?

    Gaddafi on the other hand is literally saying it’s a free for all and ours for the taking just cause it’s there.

    Major difference.

    The critical difference is that all the BS GWB barfed out goes out the window once identity politics enters the fray. The only way to make sure it doesn’t happen is to limit the number of grievance groups. I think you know what that means.

  51. @Hail

    The American is you, me, and that. When we go to America we will become Americans [...] whoever goes to America will become American…. American is for all of us
     
    If Gaddafi had only asked for asylum and/or US citizenship and turned into an Instant American, he could have avoided getting Gaddafi'ed, so brutally, by Hillary, in 2011.

    It was so simple. Why didn't he think of that?

    Some people just aren't very good at taking their own advice.

    And think of the chicks!
    “Jeffrey? Momo. Ha ha they’re hanging high! You? That’s good. Ghislane is well, I trust.
    Hey,yeah ,you know I’ll be in town next week and you don’t suppose I could cruise by–that’d be fine. Yeah. Uhm you know that thing I like? We can do that? Super! OK,be well!”

  52. While “headless body found in topless bar” often wins as the best NY Post Headline; my personal favorite is “Khadafy killed by Yankee fan”; with extra credit for the spelling of quaddaffi/ kadaffi. For talk radio fans; you may recall the King Of Talk Radio; Bob Grant’s old sign off line “get kaddaffi”.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2011/10/21/khadafy-killed-by-20-year-old-yankees-fan/amp/

  53. @TTSSYF
    That's not true. You do know.

    Thank you.

  54. @ConfirmationBias
    Lol ok then...

    What do I know. I’m not a red-faced son-of-the-soil Native American.

    Lol ok then…

    What do I know. I’m not a red-faced son-of-the-soil Native American.

    Why would that be relevant? It’s not true for any place, and it should be easy to extrapolate from how it is where you come from.

  55. Not quite the same. Gaddafi says anyone who comes to America is an American. Bush says anyone who comes here can become an American. Bush seems to be somewhat conscious of the original version which emphasizes how much effort is required to make an American from even the native born:

    Let reverence for the laws, be breathed by every American mother, to the lisping babe, that prattles on her lap — let it be taught in schools, in seminaries, and in colleges; let it be written in Primmers, spelling books, and in Almanacs; — let it be preached from the pulpit, proclaimed in legislative halls, and enforced in courts of justice. And, in short, let it become the political religion of the nation; and let the old and the young, the rich and the poor, the grave and the gay, of all sexes and tongues, and colors and conditions, sacrifice unceasingly upon its altars.

    —-Lincoln, 1838

  56. SMK says:
    @Wilkey

    America has never been united by blood or birth or soil. We are bound by ideals that move us beyond our backgrounds, lift us above our interests and teach us what it means to be citizens.
     
    And if you need a lesson on how to be united by something other than blood or birth, or in moving beyond your background, what better place to get it than from a man who is the grandson of a senator, the son of a president, whose brother tried to become president (raising over $100 million for his campaign with little to no effort), and who only became president himself thanks to his family connections?

    I wonder what Jewish neocon speech writer wrote this speech. The abstract ideals of a neocon puppet and sycophant, the ironic rejection of blood and birth by man blessed by blood and birth. The malignant and deadly power and influence of this buffoon and mediocrity was and is wholly derived from birth and blood.

  57. @Chris from Gresham (though not for long)
    Both of them are describing what appears to be the Antichrist: a proxy for a universal religion. Which is exactly how cultural Marxists and Neocons see it, though they be in denial of the fact.

    “Both of them are describing what appears to be the Antichrist: a proxy for a universal religion.”

    The mark of the beast is upon us:
    http://www.bing.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2019/07/14/swedish-people-are-getting-chip-implants-to-replace-cash-credit-cards/amp/

    And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17And that no man might buy or sell, save that he had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

  58. @Autochthon

    Sacramento News & Review asked a diverse group of prominent people in the Sacramento area for theirs: Pat Fong Kushida, president & CEO of the Sacramento Asian Pacific Chamber of Commerce; Basim Elkarra, director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, Sacramento Valley chapter; Ebony Harper, a Sacramento activist who is head of the new National Alliance for Trans Liberation and Advancement; and Eric Guerra, vice mayor of Sacramento.
     
    Right; so they didn't talk to any actual Americans. In Sacramento, there were perhaps none available to comment. Fred Jones, a man who actually works for a living, supports a family, and has ancestors who fought the British, would have contributed an illuminating and hilarious fifth perspective here, and the "one of these things is not like the other" effect would have been stark...which, of course, is probably why they made sure not to include it.

    Who’s Fred Jones??

    Anyway, yeah, we’re looking at an article about “what it means to be an American”, that features people who aren’t American.

    Imagine a piece about a “great basketball player” featuring a guy who insists they give him points for just hitting the backboard.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    I just used the name to indicate the average (actual!) American; the way many write "Joe Six-Pack" – which figure of speech I find kind of silly.
  59. There’s nothing liberal about crushing indigenous peoples and cultures (including that of contemporary America or European countries) under the Glibohomocorp boot.

  60. Looks like Steve read Vox Day’s blog today. A crossover of my two favorite bloggers.

  61. @International Jew
    Who's Fred Jones??

    Anyway, yeah, we're looking at an article about "what it means to be an American", that features people who aren't American.

    Imagine a piece about a "great basketball player" featuring a guy who insists they give him points for just hitting the backboard.

    I just used the name to indicate the average (actual!) American; the way many write “Joe Six-Pack” – which figure of speech I find kind of silly.

  62. I remember this, also courtesy of Mr Sailer.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4260956/Letter-writing-former-Iran-president-pens-dispatch-Trump.html#ixzz4Zq80GJwb

    … Iran’s former hard-line President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad sent a letter Sunday to President Donald Trump, striking a somewhat conciliatory tone while applauding immigration to America and saying it shows ‘the contemporary U.S. belongs to all nations.’ …

    He also acknowledged the some 1 million people of Iranian descent living in America, saying that U.S. policies should ‘value respect toward the diversity of nations and races.’

    ‘In other words, the contemporary U.S. belongs to all nations, including the natives of the land,’ he wrote.

    ‘No one may consider themselves the owner and view others as guests or immigrants.’

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Thanks.
  63. @Romanian
    I remember this, also courtesy of Mr Sailer.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4260956/Letter-writing-former-Iran-president-pens-dispatch-Trump.html#ixzz4Zq80GJwb

    … Iran’s former hard-line President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad sent a letter Sunday to President Donald Trump, striking a somewhat conciliatory tone while applauding immigration to America and saying it shows ‘the contemporary U.S. belongs to all nations.’ …

    He also acknowledged the some 1 million people of Iranian descent living in America, saying that U.S. policies should ‘value respect toward the diversity of nations and races.’

    ‘In other words, the contemporary U.S. belongs to all nations, including the natives of the land,’ he wrote.

    ‘No one may consider themselves the owner and view others as guests or immigrants.’
     

    Thanks.

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