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By accident, I happened to watch back to back two movies that are about as far apart in terms of which personalities they appeal to as movies can get: Kevin Costner in Draft Day from 2014 about a Cleveland Browns General Manager pondering if he should trade his next three number one draft picks for the #1 this year, a superstar can’t-miss quarterback … and the more recent lunatic musical Annette by the Mael Brothers of Sparks. Annette is directed by Leos Carax, whose previous movie was the ultra-imaginative and bonkers Holy Motors. (spoiler alert: in Holy Motors, the the main character finally returns to his loving suburban family, who turn out to be chimpanzees).

Annette stars Adam Driver (whom I really like — he’s an Indiana kid who enlisted in the Marines after 9/11 and he straddles the border between homely and magnificent) as the world’s most famous comedian (magnetic but utterly unfunny. Is there anything more alienating that listening to an audience who howls in laughter at not funny jokes? Why, yes, there is: in the operatic Annette, the packed audiences sings in response) who marries the world’s most famous opera soprano (Marion Cotillard) and then she gives birth to a marionette, but nobody seems to notice that the baby is made out of wood.

In Draft Day, Costner is slightly wooden himself as the football executive And the screenplay and direction (by Ivan Reitman of Ghost Busters fame) is on the nose. It’s a complicated subject, although hardly as complex as Moneyball, so the dialogue includes NFL insiders spending a lot of time asking each other if they are familiar with Ryan Leaf and then explaining who Ryan Leaf was and why his sad tale might be relevant to deciding who to draft this year.

But all the explaining is just for the target audience’s wives and girlfriends. The kind of guy whom Draft Day is aimed at knows exactly whom Ryan Leaf was. (Personally, I favored Leaf over Peyton Manning to be #1 in the 1998 draft, but that just shows I’m an idiot.)

One film critic called Draft Day “the most NormCore movie that ever lived,” which seems fair.

One of my favorite social science studies of recent years was by some business school professors who looked at movies liked on Facebook by people who had taken a standard 5-factor personality test. The OCEAN five factor model ranks people on Openness, Conscientiousness, Extraversion, Agreeableness, and Neuroticism.

Gideon Nave, Jason Rentfrow, and Sudeep Bhatia found that sports movies were a world unto themselves in terms of what kind of personalities they appeal to. The two most dissimilar sets of fans of all the movies in their database were Friday Night Lights about a blue collar Texas high school football team (its admirers are low in Openness, high in Conscientiousness, high in Extraversion, high in Agreeableness, and low in Neuroticism) and another high school movie, Winona Ryder’s Heathers (high openness, low Conscientiousness, low Extraversion, low Agreeableness, high Neuroticism) in which she struggles with whether or not to finish killing all the popular girls.

Friday Night Lights fans are who you want in your foxhole. On the other hand, Heathers fans are probably going to create more interesting art and music. You want to have a culture that can balance both.

But the Friday Night Lights vs. Heathers contrast is piddling compared to Draft Day vs. Annette, which is like the Foo Fighters “Best of You” (the peak of corporate rock) vs. “Strawberry Fields Forever.

 
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  1. I watched Draft Day when it came on a sports channel once. I’m surprised you didn’t mention the part where Kevin Costner divines that the black prospect who appeared to be hotheaded and have low impulse control in one incident during a game actually had a good reason for his behavior.

    • Agree: p38ace
    • Thanks: Russ
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Dave Pinsen

    Friday Night Lights. Sounds like whites cheering for blacks movie. Cuck stuff.

    Heathers. Christian Slater, troublemaker as in Pump Up the Volume later.

    People might see Heathers differently today. Back when it came out, it was about the popular 'normal' kids vs the weirdo. But with the new normal, the 'popular' people today are into weirdo globo-homo, tranny nonsense, and BLM. And it's the 'conservative' who is the oddball outcast, or the unspoken id of occam's razor.

    Many on the right today are more likely to identify with Slater(or even the Joker).

    Replies: @Franz

  2. “as the world’s most famous comedian (magnetic but utterly unfunny.”

    So, in other words, Lenny Bruce.

    “the screenplay and direction (by Ivan Reitman of Ghost Busters fame) is on the nose.”

    When you say “on the nose” do you mean “spot-on!” or do you mean “too obvious”? After all, Reitman can do both.

    And of course, the greatest sports movie of all time is still “Slap Shot”. With “Semi-Tough” a close second.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    "So, in other words, Lenny Bruce."

    Right, Bruce was painfully unfunny in the liberated 1960s.

    Replies: @XBardon Kaldlan, @Legba

    , @Brutusale
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Semi Tough wasn't even the best movie made from a Dan Jenkins novel. An incredibly disappointing film, the screen adaptation had little to do with the novel. There's a (((reason))) for that.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    , @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Nancy Dowd is like Leigh Brackett. People who don't know are always shocked to find out Slapshot is written by a woman, and Brackett came up with some of the best set pieces in Empire Strikes Back.

    Roger Ebert famously panned Slapshot when it came out, probably out of feigned outrage on behalf of progressive feminists. He later realized it's a masterpiece.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHMi-j7W2gM

    Replies: @Lurker, @BosTex, @Ron Mexico, @p38ace

    , @John Johnson
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    And of course, the greatest sports movie of all time is still “Slap Shot”. With “Semi-Tough” a close second.

    Nah it's Meatballs followed by Raging Bull.

    Replies: @al gore rhythms

  3. Adam Driver (whom I really like — he’s an Indiana kid who enlisted in the Marines after 9/11 and he straddles the border between homely and magnificent)

    Right, but you’re also hot for this chick. Your aesthetic sense may need recalibration. That guy looks like the hind end of a farm animal.

    Is it because she’s a billionaire, sort of? You figure she’s a soft touch and you can hit her up? You must have some crazy expenses you’re not telling us about.

    • Agree: Renard
    • Replies: @SFG
    @HammerJack

    The love of a nerd is very different from that of a square.

    , @Anonymous
    @HammerJack

    Alt-right neckbeards continue to stroke off to her while claiming how ugly she is and how much they hate her. The same way that normie conservatives do to AOC.

    Replies: @Abe

    , @Alfa158
    @HammerJack

    The emerging consensus of Steve’s readers is that his cataract surgeon played a cruel practical joke on him and implanted the surgical equivalent of “beer glasses”.

    , @JimDandy
    @HammerJack

    You're entitled to your subjective opinion, but his looks really do appeal to a certain group in Hollywood. He might be an Indiana farm boy in real life, but as a fictional New York Jewish guy (say, Adam Sackler in Girls) he's the equivalent of a Greek God.

    Replies: @hhsiii, @DCThrowback

    , @BB753
    @HammerJack

    Who's this homely woman? Judging from the bruises on her knees, I get a clue why she might be popular with some men.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @HammerJack

    , @Anonymous
    @HammerJack

    Sailer finds that creature attractive? Is he becoming like one of those pretty shikse chicks who fall for Woody Allen? What a fall from the Kathryn Bigelow fixation.

    As for Adam Driver, he's useful in eccentric and oddball roles, like in Paterson.

    But he's no star material. He looks like John Travolta drawn by Picasso.

    He was supposed to be Han Solo's kid in the new Star Wars. Whom did Solo mate with? Jar Jar Binks?

    , @tyrone
    @HammerJack


    Right, but you’re also hot for this chick
     
    ...... well.....look at her knees .....kinda red don't you think ........do I need to spell it out.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    @HammerJack

    She looks like she could be the sister of YouTube's Half-Asleep Chris, who himself has a thing for tapirs. (An innocent thing-- he's had a steady girlfriend for several years now.)



    https://youtu.be/qNKxXSpW9YU

    , @R.G. Camara
    @HammerJack

    The FTX guy found an ugly girl who was nonetheless young, not fat, and, most importantly, worshipful of him, willing to do anything to be with him. She probably got a huge fat crush on him from the time they first met and, being the manipulative psycho he is, made her his little gopher/right hand woman, made her do drugs, made her let him have sex with other women, and had her doing a lot of lying to cover for him and had her manipulating others for him.

    And she went along with it because he was the best she could ever hope to even partially have (I mean, look at her) and he was a super manipulative dude who could play her like a fiddle.

    It's probably a lot like Ghislaine Maxwell (what a retarded first name) and Jeffrey Epstein. Ghislaine was of course good looking (unlike this broad), but her obvious daddy issues and Epstein's Hannibal Lecter-meets-a-porn-producer charm made her putty in Epstein's hands, willing to kidnap teenage girls to be his sex slaves and pimp them out to other men and women at Jeffrey's command.

    Both of these rich, powerful, sociopathic criminals were personally magnetic enough to charm desperate, lonely, daddy-issue broads into being their dogsbodies. This is Jim Jones level of manipulative, 99% of us (including me) will never meet someone like this, but if we did, it would be a nightmare.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @kaganovitch
    @HammerJack

    You must have some crazy expenses you’re not telling us about.

    It's Lambo. She'll only eat artisanal kibble hand rolled by Master Jae , grandson of the Master of Hounds to his Majesty Sunjong Yi , King of Joseon and Emperor of Korea. It is flown into LAX twice a week at exorbitant expense

    Replies: @HammerJack

    , @The Alarmist
    @HammerJack

    It’s because one doesn’t need any game to hit that, just alcohol for one’s self.

    , @Inquiring Mind
    @HammerJack

    When I'm stuck in a day
    That's gray and lonely
    I just stick out my chin
    And grin and say

    The sun'll come out, tomorrow
    So you gotta hang on 'til tomorrow
    Come what may
    Tomorrow! Tomorrow! I love ya, tomorrow
    You're always a day away

    , @XBardon Kaldlan
    @HammerJack

    I am bothered by that junior miss pink skirt. Go with the pantsuit,please.

  4. What about people who couldn’t care less about such stupid movies? In which category are they?

    • Thanks: Renard
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Dumbo

    The movies Steve describes sound head and shoulders superior to Everyone Has AIDS, Darth Vader Wants To Talk To You About Workplace Sexism, or All White People Should Die.

    , @Greta Handel
    @Dumbo

    And patronizing Hollywood, TV, Sportsball, and other mass media isn’t merely a waste. Spending time and dime on this fluff endorses and sustains the degradation and dumbing down of our country — and you.

    Of course, many people here think they’re smart enough to nibble around the garbage in the trough. But I would guess they're still much more likely to have (i) rolled up their sleeves for Big Pharma and (ii) rooted for Raytheon in Iraq, Afghanistan, Venezuela, Ukraine, ad nauseum.

    Boycott the Establishment’s propaganda.

    Replies: @SFG, @Corvinus

    , @obwandiyag
    @Dumbo

    The voice of reason. How did you get in here?

    , @Intelligent Dasein
    @Dumbo

    I haven't seen any of the movies referred to in this post except Ghostbusters, and I have no desire to ever see any of them.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

  5. 1. I also, at length and very out loud, was a Ryan Leaf proponent. It cured me from any draft prognostication.

    2. I like Heathers a lot because Winona Ryder is/was hot and my favorite band, The Replacements, was occultly mentioned in a series of Easter eggs in the movie.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Hodag

    "Juno" was a tribute to Liz Phair taking on the cool white guys in Chicago 30 years ago.

    Replies: @Danindc

    , @Renard
    @Hodag

    Did you see Miss Ryder in Turks and Caicos? She's a revelation.

    And is your favorite Replacements song "I Will Dare"?

    Replies: @Hodag, @JimDandy, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Gary in Gramercy, @Rouetheday, @Curle

    , @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @Hodag


    1. I also, at length and very out loud, was a Ryan Leaf proponent. It cured me from any draft prognostication.
     
    At the time it was proposed that Leaf was a better pick than Manning because he "had a higher ceiling." Obviously in retrospect he had the much lower floor.

    Sometimes I think you have to understand that in a world of 24/7 sports Media, they too need something to talk about incessantly. So they're going to feed the drama about which would be the better quarterback.

    Replies: @Feryl, @megabar

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @Hodag

    Heathers was way ahead of its time in mocking pro-gay virtue signaling.

    https://youtu.be/NMroWnWIqs0

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    , @Curle
    @Hodag

    “and my favorite band, The Replacements, was occultly mentioned in a series of Easter eggs in the movie.”

    Which is one step removed from the way Alex Chilton was mentioned by The Replacements. And Alex is uber good.

  6. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    "as the world’s most famous comedian (magnetic but utterly unfunny."

    So, in other words, Lenny Bruce.

    "the screenplay and direction (by Ivan Reitman of Ghost Busters fame) is on the nose."

    When you say "on the nose" do you mean "spot-on!" or do you mean "too obvious"? After all, Reitman can do both.

    And of course, the greatest sports movie of all time is still "Slap Shot". With "Semi-Tough" a close second.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Brutusale, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @John Johnson

    “So, in other words, Lenny Bruce.”

    Right, Bruce was painfully unfunny in the liberated 1960s.

    • Replies: @XBardon Kaldlan
    @Steve Sailer

    As a yute,I listened to a weird over nite radio show on my trusty FM radio around 1970. Hosted by a great Chicago personality named Wayne Julen.
    He played a lot of Bruce bits and I was fascinated.
    Bruce,a WW2 vet who claimed he got out of the Navy by pretending to be a "fag",😉was a man of the 50s; by the time the 60s began to happen,he was through.
    I didn't find him very funny because,for one,I didn't get many of his references.
    Sophie Tucker? Charles Laughton?
    But the audiences on his records were screaming. I just found him weird and amazing. An astonishing little man,who created bizarre worlds,like that of Father Flotsky the Jewish priest.It was a world that operated at nite,with jazz,drugs and hot willing chicks.
    I am a goyim,but one of those who finds Jewish " shtick" to be often irrestible.
    I have a little more understanding of him today,obviously. But when I was a teenage shmuck I loved him.
    Hope I didn't bore you too much,ya muffdiver!

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Legba
    @Steve Sailer

    While you're at it, why not stop perpetuating the stereotype that Richard Pryor was ever funny

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

  7. I recently enjoyed Double Team, which is a delightfully stupid movie with an accidentally fascinating aspect, since it stars Dennis Rodman as what we would today call a genderqueer or
    a pansexual or a nonbinary or one of those things. At the time it was made it was a pure freakshow.
    Heathers is over-celebrated by plebbitards and received a confused adaptation as a series by one of the streaming moneylosers.

    • Replies: @slumber_j
    @J.Ross


    Heathers is over-celebrated by plebbitards and received a confused adaptation as a series by one of the streaming moneylosers.
     
    I don't remember much about Heathers except that I thought it was vastly overrated and not actually very good. Then again its biggest proponent among my college friends went on to be president of Joss Whedon's Mutant Enemy Productions in the early 2000s, so what do I know?

    Replies: @Danindc

  8. @Hodag
    1. I also, at length and very out loud, was a Ryan Leaf proponent. It cured me from any draft prognostication.

    2. I like Heathers a lot because Winona Ryder is/was hot and my favorite band, The Replacements, was occultly mentioned in a series of Easter eggs in the movie.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Renard, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @Dave Pinsen, @Curle

    “Juno” was a tribute to Liz Phair taking on the cool white guys in Chicago 30 years ago.

    • Replies: @Danindc
    @Steve Sailer

    Can you expand on this. I met Liz Phair when I won a trivia contest on WHFS almost 30 years ago. She was my dream girl. I brought her a Hersheys w almond as a sort of joke and she loved it. Didn’t she marry and have kids with a cool white guy?

    The trivia question was what movie was referenced in the liner notes of her blockbuster album Exile in Guyville.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Gary in Gramercy

  9. @Dumbo
    What about people who couldn't care less about such stupid movies? In which category are they?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Greta Handel, @obwandiyag, @Intelligent Dasein

    The movies Steve describes sound head and shoulders superior to Everyone Has AIDS, Darth Vader Wants To Talk To You About Workplace Sexism, or All White People Should Die.

    • Agree: slumber_j, Kim
  10. I hate the anti social jerks who say ‘I couldn’t make it through the trailer’, but l couldn’t make it through the trailer. I felt like Ricky Bobby hearing that voice over…’ I didn’t understand a word you just said’.

  11. as the world’s most famous comedian (magnetic but utterly unfunny. Is there anything more alienating that listening to an audience who howls in laughter at not funny jokes? Why, yes, there is: in the operatic Annette, the packed audiences sings in response) who marries the world’s most famous opera soprano (Marion Cotillard) and then she gives birth to a marionette, but nobody seems to notice that the baby is made out of wood.

    Can’t say the description of Draft Day interests me either. But I find this stuff just painfully stupid–hence unpleasant.

    I just think it’s lazy. If someone actually has any compelling insight into human complexities, and artistic ambitions, they should be able to write a drama about those human complexities playing out. Last I checked the number of women giving birth to wooden babies is zero.

    Talented people with something to say, can say it. Ridiculous nonsense signals useless-people-who-consider-themselves-“artists”.

    • Agree: Old Prude
    • Replies: @obwandiyag
    @AnotherDad

    Another voice of reason. May you prosper and proliferate.

    , @Director95
    @AnotherDad

    dad writes_ Last I checked the number of women giving birth to wooden babies is zero.

    Wait a minute! Are we talking Natural Births or Immaculate Conceptions?

    Replies: @Anon

    , @Old Prude
    @AnotherDad

    Agree,

    There is a genre of fiction out there where a the narrative tells a seemingly straight up narrative then spins fantasies into the telling, bringing the thing back to earth without a blink. No sale on this Magical Realism stuff: If you have a story to tell, and can't make it compelling without flights of fancy, then you really are just kind of telling a pointless yarn with no funny punchline.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

  12. @J.Ross
    I recently enjoyed Double Team, which is a delightfully stupid movie with an accidentally fascinating aspect, since it stars Dennis Rodman as what we would today call a genderqueer or
    a pansexual or a nonbinary or one of those things. At the time it was made it was a pure freakshow.
    Heathers is over-celebrated by plebbitards and received a confused adaptation as a series by one of the streaming moneylosers.

    Replies: @slumber_j

    Heathers is over-celebrated by plebbitards and received a confused adaptation as a series by one of the streaming moneylosers.

    I don’t remember much about Heathers except that I thought it was vastly overrated and not actually very good. Then again its biggest proponent among my college friends went on to be president of Joss Whedon’s Mutant Enemy Productions in the early 2000s, so what do I know?

    • Replies: @Danindc
    @slumber_j

    It wasn’t that funny although the “I love my dead, gay son!” Was hysterical

  13. @Hodag
    1. I also, at length and very out loud, was a Ryan Leaf proponent. It cured me from any draft prognostication.

    2. I like Heathers a lot because Winona Ryder is/was hot and my favorite band, The Replacements, was occultly mentioned in a series of Easter eggs in the movie.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Renard, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @Dave Pinsen, @Curle

    Did you see Miss Ryder in Turks and Caicos? She’s a revelation.

    And is your favorite Replacements song “I Will Dare”?

    • Replies: @Hodag
    @Renard

    Unsatisfied

    , @JimDandy
    @Renard

    "Waitress in the Sky"

    , @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Renard

    Tommy Gets His Tonsils Out, b/w "I.O.U."

    , @Gary in Gramercy
    @Renard

    1. "Left of the Dial;
    2. Color Me Impressed;
    3. Bastards of Young;
    4. I Will Dare;
    5. Shiftless When Idle."

    Honorable mention: "Kids Don't Follow," "Johnny's Gonna Die."

    (You can't have only one favorite 'Mats song. You just can't.)

    Best 'Mats cover of another band:
    Three-way tie among "Temptation Eyes" (the Grass Roots), "20th Century Boy" (T. Rex) and "Another Girl, Another Planet" (the Only Ones).

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Rouetheday

    , @Rouetheday
    @Renard

    "Valentine" is my personal fave.

    "Tonight makes love to all your kind/ tomorrow's pickin' Valentine". Sometimes I feel like 'tomorrow's' never gonna come (insert sad face emoji).

    , @Curle
    @Renard

    Am I the only person on this thread to latch on to Alex Chilton because of the Mats?







    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_9DCwmyVl38

  14. Hard pass on both. My wife and I do watch “Yellowstone”* (with Costner) though. That’s our guilty pleasure along with “The Crown.” My wife just finished “Dark” on my recommendation.

    Friday Night Lights

    The film or the TV series? I thought the latter was quite good.

    *That show needs get rid of the annoying Chinese actress who pretends to be an American Indian.

    The last good movie I saw was “Hell or High Water.” Unsurprisingly, it was written by the same guy who created “Yellowstone.”

    • Replies: @Russ
    @Twinkie


    The last good movie I saw was “Hell or High Water.” Unsurprisingly, it was written by the same guy who created “Yellowstone.”
     
    Mine was "The Art of Racing in the Rain," with the oft-cited-herein Kevin Costner providing the narration as the golden retriever. I also liked the Mel Gibson movie about the pacifist medic who saved all those lives in WWII.
    , @pyrrhus
    @Twinkie

    Yellowstone has gotten really good, and Costner has really gotten into his role as patriarch, while the Crown hasn't matched its explosive 1st season, but still has some good episodes...

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @Twinkie

    +1 on Hell or High Water. Excellent movie.

    , @Buzz Mohawk
    @Twinkie

    My wife and I watch Yellowstone too. I share some philosophy with John Dutton (Kevin Costner.) My wife calls him my brother. I have the hots for his daughter, Beth (Kelly Reilly.)

    https://www.therut.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/0672A919-5286-438F-A63D-A98F91D2486D.jpeg

    Replies: @anonymous, @duncsbaby

  15. @Dumbo
    What about people who couldn't care less about such stupid movies? In which category are they?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Greta Handel, @obwandiyag, @Intelligent Dasein

    And patronizing Hollywood, TV, Sportsball, and other mass media isn’t merely a waste. Spending time and dime on this fluff endorses and sustains the degradation and dumbing down of our country — and you.

    Of course, many people here think they’re smart enough to nibble around the garbage in the trough. But I would guess they’re still much more likely to have (i) rolled up their sleeves for Big Pharma and (ii) rooted for Raytheon in Iraq, Afghanistan, Venezuela, Ukraine, ad nauseum.

    Boycott the Establishment’s propaganda.

    • Agree: BB753
    • Replies: @SFG
    @Greta Handel

    Perhaps most importantly, boycotts diminish their money and power.

    If they have a hard time making money off a movie without at least one positive white male character…well, some of them will cave.

    , @Corvinus
    @Greta Handel

    It’s not propaganda. It’s entertainment that people willingly enjoy. There’s nothing conspiratorial about it.

    “Of course, many people here think…”

    You don’t know better than us. We can make our own decisions about race and culture. You simply disagree with how we ought to live our lives.

  16. Anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:

    Don’t beat yourself up over being an idiot over Ryan Leaf.
    He did have an edge in physical talent over Peyton. It was evident in the Rose Bowl his last year of college. The guy threw lasers. Peyton always threw wobbly throws etc.

    The casual College Football fan cannot know the details of a player’s psyche, or have access to interviews of all his high school coaches or acquntances. Especially in 1998, there was less info on that openly available.

    Also back in that era the notion of a player’s exposure to Big League Sports as a child was not contemplated.
    Now 24 years later it is pretty evident that guys like Peyton, Eli and countless other 2nd or 3rd generation players benefit from having grown up around a Major League locker room, seeing Dad’s weekly game prep and off-season regimen: Film, workouts, etc.

    Another example: I read that Larry Fitzgerald, although not the son of an NFLer, grew up around the Minnesota Viking training camp as a ball boy. Countless time spent observing, absorbing and therefore not intimidated or overwhelmed by the Big Time.

    I’m sure Tom Brady’s sons have that edge since the genetics are likey already there.

    • Replies: @Danindc
    @Anonymous

    Yes, his dad was a sports reporter for some fake African American newspaper that about 9 people read. He did have a press pass though.

  17. “who Ryan Leaf was”

    Jesus Christ. Just never use “whom” if you don’t know how to use it. Then you won’t sound quite so stupid.

    • Troll: duncsbaby
    • Replies: @HFR
    @obwandiyag

    "whom (who) Ryan Leaf was": Yes, I too caught that. But, I just corrected it in my mind and moved on.
    Mr. Sailer was careless; calling him stupid seems over the top.

    , @Right_On
    @obwandiyag

    As far as I'm concerned, 'whom' is a word that was invented to make everyone sound like a butler. - Calvin Trillin

  18. @HammerJack

    Adam Driver (whom I really like — he’s an Indiana kid who enlisted in the Marines after 9/11 and he straddles the border between homely and magnificent)
     
    Right, but you're also hot for this chick. Your aesthetic sense may need recalibration. That guy looks like the hind end of a farm animal.


    https://i.ibb.co/4TxDM27/U8-VLg-q-R4e-1.jpg

    Is it because she's a billionaire, sort of? You figure she's a soft touch and you can hit her up? You must have some crazy expenses you're not telling us about.

    Replies: @SFG, @Anonymous, @Alfa158, @JimDandy, @BB753, @Anonymous, @tyrone, @Reg Cæsar, @R.G. Camara, @kaganovitch, @The Alarmist, @Inquiring Mind, @XBardon Kaldlan

    The love of a nerd is very different from that of a square.

  19. This OCEAN is new to me, so I have difficulty relating to the study involving it. Had the study been based on that I/E S/N T/F J/P psychology categorization, I’d have been better able to relate (but just a little). So life goes.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @Russ

    They map pretty well actually.

    E/I= high and low extroversion (duh).
    N/S = high and low Openness
    F/T = high and low Agreeableness
    J/P = high and low Conscientiousness

    Nothing maps to Neuroticism because, well, Myers Briggs is sunshine and rainbows.

  20. anon[173] • Disclaimer says:

    But all the explaining is just for the target audience’s wives and girlfriends.

    And Jennifer Garner’s quip about the macho football players competing for a piece of jewelry. We’re to assume that football executives find such sophomoric takes to be confounding yet fascinating. She has it every way – she’s one of the guys with high status in a male profession, yet she’s got power skirted sexual allure, but she’s also above all the silliness of grown men chasing a ball around a field. Is it possible to make a guy movie for guys without putting this sort of thing in? And not as a throwaway moment in the plot but in the trailer, where it’s supposed to represent something of the essence of the movie.

    • Replies: @Russ
    @anon


    She has it every way – she’s one of the guys with high status in a male profession, yet she’s got power skirted sexual allure, but she’s also above all the silliness of grown men chasing a ball around a field.
     
    She's probably Gary Bettman's dream president of an NHL team. Or of all NHL teams. Exotic hue and/or dike-pluggery a plus
  21. @Dumbo
    What about people who couldn't care less about such stupid movies? In which category are they?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Greta Handel, @obwandiyag, @Intelligent Dasein

    The voice of reason. How did you get in here?

  22. @AnotherDad

    as the world’s most famous comedian (magnetic but utterly unfunny. Is there anything more alienating that listening to an audience who howls in laughter at not funny jokes? Why, yes, there is: in the operatic Annette, the packed audiences sings in response) who marries the world’s most famous opera soprano (Marion Cotillard) and then she gives birth to a marionette, but nobody seems to notice that the baby is made out of wood.
     
    Can't say the description of Draft Day interests me either. But I find this stuff just painfully stupid--hence unpleasant.

    I just think it's lazy. If someone actually has any compelling insight into human complexities, and artistic ambitions, they should be able to write a drama about those human complexities playing out. Last I checked the number of women giving birth to wooden babies is zero.

    Talented people with something to say, can say it. Ridiculous nonsense signals useless-people-who-consider-themselves-"artists".

    Replies: @obwandiyag, @Director95, @Old Prude

    Another voice of reason. May you prosper and proliferate.

  23. @Twinkie
    Hard pass on both. My wife and I do watch “Yellowstone”* (with Costner) though. That’s our guilty pleasure along with “The Crown.” My wife just finished “Dark” on my recommendation.

    Friday Night Lights
     
    The film or the TV series? I thought the latter was quite good.

    *That show needs get rid of the annoying Chinese actress who pretends to be an American Indian.

    The last good movie I saw was “Hell or High Water.” Unsurprisingly, it was written by the same guy who created “Yellowstone.”

    Replies: @Russ, @pyrrhus, @Jim Don Bob, @Buzz Mohawk

    The last good movie I saw was “Hell or High Water.” Unsurprisingly, it was written by the same guy who created “Yellowstone.”

    Mine was “The Art of Racing in the Rain,” with the oft-cited-herein Kevin Costner providing the narration as the golden retriever. I also liked the Mel Gibson movie about the pacifist medic who saved all those lives in WWII.

  24. @Twinkie
    Hard pass on both. My wife and I do watch “Yellowstone”* (with Costner) though. That’s our guilty pleasure along with “The Crown.” My wife just finished “Dark” on my recommendation.

    Friday Night Lights
     
    The film or the TV series? I thought the latter was quite good.

    *That show needs get rid of the annoying Chinese actress who pretends to be an American Indian.

    The last good movie I saw was “Hell or High Water.” Unsurprisingly, it was written by the same guy who created “Yellowstone.”

    Replies: @Russ, @pyrrhus, @Jim Don Bob, @Buzz Mohawk

    Yellowstone has gotten really good, and Costner has really gotten into his role as patriarch, while the Crown hasn’t matched its explosive 1st season, but still has some good episodes…

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @pyrrhus

    I can trace the moment we fell for Yellowstone to the time when my wife noticed that Costner's character drinks his whiskey from the same glasses I do: Ralph Lauren glen plaid crystal. The exact same, and we have never seen them anywhere else.

    https://media.tenor.com/images/4eb30832ebcf3a10103f4a7028596078/tenor.gif

    Add that to his character's outlook, which we share, and we were hooked. BTW we find that outlook nicely symbolic of what we feel as Americans in a big, beautiful country under invasion. This despite Coster's long-proven AmerIndian'o'Philic tendencies, which are carried forward here from Dances with Wolves.

    Side note: When I first met my wife's brother in Romania, he asked me which Indian tribes had lived in my home state of Colorado. He then explained that he loved Costner's movie.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

  25. Best of the Worst: Cyborg and Arcade (Albert Pyun Double Feature)

    Nov 23, 2022

    In this episode of Best of the Blurst, the gang pays tribute to b-movie veteran Albert Pyun. He’s made post apocalyptic movies. He’s made cyborg movies. He’s made post apocalyptic cyborg movies. He’s done it all!

  26. World war comedy is underway

    Deeply Jewish comedy is having a moment, even as antisemitism rocks pop culture

    BY JACKIE HAJDENBERG
    NOVEMBER 29, 2022

    https://www.jta.org/2022/11/29/culture/deeply-jewish-comedy-is-having-a-moment-even-as-antisemitism-rocks-pop-culture

    “I find it ironic that at a time where more Jewish comedians feel comfortable expressing their Judaism (i.e. wearing a yarmulke, making Jewish-oriented content) and not hiding it (by changing their name for example), we also see an up-swelling of outright antisemitism,” said Jacob Scheer, a New York-based comedian. “I don’t think — and hope — those two things are not related, but I find it really interesting and sad.”

    ADVERTISEMENT

    The two phenomena could be related. Antisemitic incidents nationwide reached an all-time high in 2021, with a total of 2,717 incidents, according to an April 2022 audit from the Anti-Defamation League. Those incidents range from vandalism of buildings to harassment and assault against individuals

    .

    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
    @ginger bread man


    Jewish comedians feel comfortable expressing their Judaism
     
    Wait, there are Jewish comedians who don't beat us over the head with their Jewishness?
    , @HammerJack
    @ginger bread man

    Always worth remembering, the ADL counts as genuine hate hoaxes perpetrated by jews upon jewish targets "to raise awareness" etc.

  27. I repeat my question: Why is Steve Sailer absent from TAki’s yesterday?

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @Tono-Bungay

    "I repeat my question: Why is Steve Sailer absent from TAki's yesterday? [two sics?]"

    Now that the talented but completely vile Bryan Singer is off the Logan's Run reboot, Steve has been brought in to reimagine the project. First change is a doozy: the death ritual at Carousel will not be determined by age and applicable to both genders. Steve's Carousel completely eschews the Last Day concept and limits the test to men: Upon putting on the white ritual robe with the boss fiery flame embroidering the man has to achieve a boner during his lift into the air or he will be fried by the lasers. Second change is a clever marketing ploy mimicking the tag line from the recent and fantastic Dune film -- "The Spice is life." In Steve's Logan's Run "The Boner is life." Which makes a lot more sense biologically because without boners there is no human life. Although reimagineer Steve faces a disposal problem: no death ritual for the ladies means the Dome City will be crowded with shrieky menopause recipients and their barking dog companions.

    In answer to your repeated question: Steve has been busy with the boners.

    Replies: @SFG

    , @Intelligent Dasein
    @Tono-Bungay


    I repeat my question: Why is Steve Sailer absent from TAki’s yesterday?
     
    Just the other day, the Z-Man announced that he was quitting Taki's for good. It was one of those rare divorces that increase the respectability of both parties.

    If Sailer also leaves Taki's, we might have a perfect circle of mutual denouncements.
  28. @HammerJack

    Adam Driver (whom I really like — he’s an Indiana kid who enlisted in the Marines after 9/11 and he straddles the border between homely and magnificent)
     
    Right, but you're also hot for this chick. Your aesthetic sense may need recalibration. That guy looks like the hind end of a farm animal.


    https://i.ibb.co/4TxDM27/U8-VLg-q-R4e-1.jpg

    Is it because she's a billionaire, sort of? You figure she's a soft touch and you can hit her up? You must have some crazy expenses you're not telling us about.

    Replies: @SFG, @Anonymous, @Alfa158, @JimDandy, @BB753, @Anonymous, @tyrone, @Reg Cæsar, @R.G. Camara, @kaganovitch, @The Alarmist, @Inquiring Mind, @XBardon Kaldlan

    Alt-right neckbeards continue to stroke off to her while claiming how ugly she is and how much they hate her. The same way that normie conservatives do to AOC.

    • Troll: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @Abe
    @Anonymous


    Alt-right neckbeards continue to stroke off to her while claiming how ugly she is and how much they hate her.
     
    Which is totally different from how coastal credentialed NPC libtards were once so obsessed with everything that came in and out (and in what temporal order!) of Sarah Palin’s [email protected]
  29. The NFL draft is a cultural phenomenon. It is deemed extremely important by everyone involved with the sport and great judgments are given about the draft, and yet nothing is proven until future seasons are played.

    In Draft Day 2 the Kevin Costner character is a fired GM because Bo Callahan, the QB draft pick he traded away, proved to be the next Tom Brady and the player Costner did pick fell down the stairs at a post draft party and suffered a career ending brain injury (this happened to a player drafted by the Baltimore Ravens).

    So as a movie Draft Day works because in the moment viewers can identify Costner as a gutty football GM and believe his instincts worked.

  30. Hey Steve- Good morning and happy Friday Eve!

    thanks for watching these movies so I don’t have to.

    Heathers is one of the more repellent movies produced in recent years starring slitty eyed midget, Christian Slater. Revenge fantasy. Like we need more of those.

    A movie where someone gives birth to a marionette sounds atrocious.

    Kevin Costner: if you like Kevin Costner, you will like Kevin Costner movies since he is always the same guy: Kevin Costner. If you don’t like Kevin Costner…

    We used to have actors: Dustin Hoffman, Anthony Hopkins, Jack Nicholson, Paul Newman, etc: people capable of portraying other humans in a nuanced and intelligent way, with stories that you might want to see and enjoy.

    Great movie that very few have seen: The Last Detail with Jack Nicholson. Hell of a good story and Nicholson inhabits his character. Language is very rough so you have to wait til after the kiddies are in bed.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @BosTex

    "A movie where someone gives birth to a marionette sounds atrocious."

    Wait until you get a gander at the religion said birth will beget.

    "Great movie that very few have seen: The Last Detail with Jack Nicholson."

    Yep, great movie. A realistic depiction of the squalid conditions of base life for a USN enlisted man in the post Vietnam landscape. The Reagan-Bush era of ballooning Pentagon budgets did little to improve those squalid conditions. But all of those golden gumdrops did upscale the lives of cronies in on the development of new weapons systems like SDI. Although, some of that fortune was not all grift-related: a lot of the SDI funding went to fund occultic technology that some have labeled UFOs. The secret space program exists and is controlled by a cabal birthed in the post WW2 era that receives monies from the federal government but is not answerable to it.

    , @Russ
    @BosTex


    Great movie that very few have seen: The Last Detail with Jack Nicholson. Hell of a good story and Nicholson inhabits his character. Language is very rough so you have to wait til after the kiddies are in bed.
     
    Nicholson's yodeling while the doomed Randy Quaid ascends the stairs with the prostitute was a career highlight.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Ghost of Bull Moose

  31. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    "as the world’s most famous comedian (magnetic but utterly unfunny."

    So, in other words, Lenny Bruce.

    "the screenplay and direction (by Ivan Reitman of Ghost Busters fame) is on the nose."

    When you say "on the nose" do you mean "spot-on!" or do you mean "too obvious"? After all, Reitman can do both.

    And of course, the greatest sports movie of all time is still "Slap Shot". With "Semi-Tough" a close second.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Brutusale, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @John Johnson

    Semi Tough wasn’t even the best movie made from a Dan Jenkins novel. An incredibly disappointing film, the screen adaptation had little to do with the novel. There’s a (((reason))) for that.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Brutusale

    OK, I'll revise: "Semi-Tough" is the best sports movie for people like me who don't like sports.

    Does "Black Swan" count as a sports movie? Is ballet a sport? It's certainly more physically demanding than football. And you can't object that you can't call it a sport because there's no competitive aspect. Trust me, backstage there is more competition than five Super Bowls combined.

    Replies: @JimDandy

  32. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    "as the world’s most famous comedian (magnetic but utterly unfunny."

    So, in other words, Lenny Bruce.

    "the screenplay and direction (by Ivan Reitman of Ghost Busters fame) is on the nose."

    When you say "on the nose" do you mean "spot-on!" or do you mean "too obvious"? After all, Reitman can do both.

    And of course, the greatest sports movie of all time is still "Slap Shot". With "Semi-Tough" a close second.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Brutusale, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @John Johnson

    Nancy Dowd is like Leigh Brackett. People who don’t know are always shocked to find out Slapshot is written by a woman, and Brackett came up with some of the best set pieces in Empire Strikes Back.

    Roger Ebert famously panned Slapshot when it came out, probably out of feigned outrage on behalf of progressive feminists. He later realized it’s a masterpiece.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    My brother and I saw Slapshot one night having never heard of it and without any means of looking it up and loved it.

    , @BosTex
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Thanks for posting this. Has been years since I have watched Slap Shot, so will watch again tonight.

    Had Lindsay Crouse in it.

    Man, she was a nice looking woman:

    https://64.media.tumblr.com/193bab6a577c33077447214cc870f1a1/tumblr_my2pdcFuJy1qd3nk9o1_1280.png

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EX04oXtXYAcrXXz.jpg:small

    , @Ron Mexico
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    "I'm listening to the fucking song!"

    , @p38ace
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    I hate to disappoint you, but George Lucas threw Leigh Brackett's script in the garbage. She never planned to have Darth Vader as Luke's father. This was because George Lucas was starting a Stalinist purge to take over the franchise and purge out the memory of anyone responsible for the success of the first movie. The first movie was Gary Kurtz's dream. He wanted a lighthearted adventure. Instead we get a Jack Kirby melodrama.
    I have seen Brackett's scrpit and would have preferred that they had followed that.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose

  33. @Hodag
    1. I also, at length and very out loud, was a Ryan Leaf proponent. It cured me from any draft prognostication.

    2. I like Heathers a lot because Winona Ryder is/was hot and my favorite band, The Replacements, was occultly mentioned in a series of Easter eggs in the movie.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Renard, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @Dave Pinsen, @Curle

    1. I also, at length and very out loud, was a Ryan Leaf proponent. It cured me from any draft prognostication.

    At the time it was proposed that Leaf was a better pick than Manning because he “had a higher ceiling.” Obviously in retrospect he had the much lower floor.

    Sometimes I think you have to understand that in a world of 24/7 sports Media, they too need something to talk about incessantly. So they’re going to feed the drama about which would be the better quarterback.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    Leaf was big, strong, and even quite mobile. Peyton on the other hand had to be a genius due to his physical limitations. GMs basically roll the dice when it comes to physical specimens, and indeed Leaf by his own admission partied too much and didn't study enough. Given the correlation between Superbowl wins and the Wonderlic (in playoff football, defense tends to improve significantly so playoff success as a QB really does depend on good judgement and being able to read a defense both of which are easier with a high IQ), I'd say that being above average in the brains department is more important than anything else when evaluating a QB. College grades would also be a good test of conscientiousness.

    , @megabar
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    > Sometimes I think you have to understand that in a world of 24/7 sports Media, they too need something to talk about incessantly.

    The most accurate sports talk would be "I think team X has roughly a 60% chance of winning, and my observations are about 55% accurate."

  34. OT: New Ashkenazi ancient DNA study from a bunch of German Jews’ teeth dug up from a relocation of a graveyard.

    https://theconversation.com/ancient-dna-from-the-teeth-of-14th-century-ashkenazi-jews-in-germany-already-included-genetic-variations-common-in-modern-jews-194780

    The biggest news from it in my view is there were two subgroups of AJs in the middle ages: a Western group without Slavic blood and an Eastern group with a lot of Slavic admixture. These two groups eventually interbred to the point of merger. The graveyard was near the boundary of the two distinct groups and they are both present in the graveyard.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @Pixo

    https://twitter.com/Steve_Sailer/status/1598134866213642241
    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/30/science/ashkenazi-jews-genetic-history.html
    https://archive.ph/ZlEGL

    https://twitter.com/NYTScience/status/1598128621335375878

    Replies: @Pixo

  35. Anon[105] • Disclaimer says:

    Back in August in their official Sparks newsletter, “The Maeling List,” there was this: “Ron and Russell have also revealed in recent interviews that a new movie musical is in the works.”

    Ron and Russell are 77 and 74 respectively. It’s hilarious how their film careers are suddenly taking off.

    Their 2009 Swedish public radio play The Seduction of Ingmar Bergman is something they also tried to make into a movie. I’ve listened to it twice. The first time I thought, Interesting, but I’ll never listen to it again. The second time it started to grow on me. Maybe I’ll have a third listen tomorrow.

  36. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    "as the world’s most famous comedian (magnetic but utterly unfunny."

    So, in other words, Lenny Bruce.

    "the screenplay and direction (by Ivan Reitman of Ghost Busters fame) is on the nose."

    When you say "on the nose" do you mean "spot-on!" or do you mean "too obvious"? After all, Reitman can do both.

    And of course, the greatest sports movie of all time is still "Slap Shot". With "Semi-Tough" a close second.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Brutusale, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @John Johnson

    And of course, the greatest sports movie of all time is still “Slap Shot”. With “Semi-Tough” a close second.

    Nah it’s Meatballs followed by Raging Bull.

    • Replies: @al gore rhythms
    @John Johnson

    Chariots of Fire.

  37. @HammerJack

    Adam Driver (whom I really like — he’s an Indiana kid who enlisted in the Marines after 9/11 and he straddles the border between homely and magnificent)
     
    Right, but you're also hot for this chick. Your aesthetic sense may need recalibration. That guy looks like the hind end of a farm animal.


    https://i.ibb.co/4TxDM27/U8-VLg-q-R4e-1.jpg

    Is it because she's a billionaire, sort of? You figure she's a soft touch and you can hit her up? You must have some crazy expenses you're not telling us about.

    Replies: @SFG, @Anonymous, @Alfa158, @JimDandy, @BB753, @Anonymous, @tyrone, @Reg Cæsar, @R.G. Camara, @kaganovitch, @The Alarmist, @Inquiring Mind, @XBardon Kaldlan

    The emerging consensus of Steve’s readers is that his cataract surgeon played a cruel practical joke on him and implanted the surgical equivalent of “beer glasses”.

  38. @AnotherDad

    as the world’s most famous comedian (magnetic but utterly unfunny. Is there anything more alienating that listening to an audience who howls in laughter at not funny jokes? Why, yes, there is: in the operatic Annette, the packed audiences sings in response) who marries the world’s most famous opera soprano (Marion Cotillard) and then she gives birth to a marionette, but nobody seems to notice that the baby is made out of wood.
     
    Can't say the description of Draft Day interests me either. But I find this stuff just painfully stupid--hence unpleasant.

    I just think it's lazy. If someone actually has any compelling insight into human complexities, and artistic ambitions, they should be able to write a drama about those human complexities playing out. Last I checked the number of women giving birth to wooden babies is zero.

    Talented people with something to say, can say it. Ridiculous nonsense signals useless-people-who-consider-themselves-"artists".

    Replies: @obwandiyag, @Director95, @Old Prude

    dad writes_ Last I checked the number of women giving birth to wooden babies is zero.

    Wait a minute! Are we talking Natural Births or Immaculate Conceptions?

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Director95

    If it's a puppet baby, then Joe Biden is definitely the father.

  39. I bet you stopped watching Annette in the middle. Later, the puppet becomes a real girl and it ends with a murder. It is an art-film with a message.

  40. @HammerJack

    Adam Driver (whom I really like — he’s an Indiana kid who enlisted in the Marines after 9/11 and he straddles the border between homely and magnificent)
     
    Right, but you're also hot for this chick. Your aesthetic sense may need recalibration. That guy looks like the hind end of a farm animal.


    https://i.ibb.co/4TxDM27/U8-VLg-q-R4e-1.jpg

    Is it because she's a billionaire, sort of? You figure she's a soft touch and you can hit her up? You must have some crazy expenses you're not telling us about.

    Replies: @SFG, @Anonymous, @Alfa158, @JimDandy, @BB753, @Anonymous, @tyrone, @Reg Cæsar, @R.G. Camara, @kaganovitch, @The Alarmist, @Inquiring Mind, @XBardon Kaldlan

    You’re entitled to your subjective opinion, but his looks really do appeal to a certain group in Hollywood. He might be an Indiana farm boy in real life, but as a fictional New York Jewish guy (say, Adam Sackler in Girls) he’s the equivalent of a Greek God.

    • Replies: @hhsiii
    @JimDandy

    I thought he did a good job in the Baumbach movie about the failed marriage to ScaJo. Especially his "impromptu" version of Being Alive. Also good in Frances Ha and Inside Llewyn Davis. And that Star Wars thing. And BlacKKlansman.

    Then again, I like Heathers and Friday Night Lights.

    Replies: @JimDandy

    , @DCThrowback
    @JimDandy

    He was by far the best and most compelling character in Girls.

    In fact, the meta joke w/ Girls (to me) was that the male characters were infinitely more interesting than the 4 main female characters (except the episode where Alison Williams decided to get *almost* naked).

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @JimDandy

  41. From my experience in my Strat-o-matic sports leagues is that Kevin Costner is the biggest idiot on the planet. He gives away three first place picks and then gets suspicious. He then investigates the background and finds serious problems. The movie also endorses adultery. Naturally a black player will be the hero of all this. I expected at the end, we would be told that the team finished last and the top draft pick was arrested for a serious crime and never played a down for the team.

  42. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Nancy Dowd is like Leigh Brackett. People who don't know are always shocked to find out Slapshot is written by a woman, and Brackett came up with some of the best set pieces in Empire Strikes Back.

    Roger Ebert famously panned Slapshot when it came out, probably out of feigned outrage on behalf of progressive feminists. He later realized it's a masterpiece.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHMi-j7W2gM

    Replies: @Lurker, @BosTex, @Ron Mexico, @p38ace

    My brother and I saw Slapshot one night having never heard of it and without any means of looking it up and loved it.

  43. Friday Night Lights fans are who you want in your foxhole. On the other hand, Heathers fans are probably going to create more interesting art and music. You want to have a culture that can balance both.

    Steve often ponders if the Great Awokening was begun in the universities or by the media. I’d suggest that though an awful lots of ground work was laid over 40 years the big spark and proximate cause of the Great Awokening was the advent of social media. It was exactly those girls who watch Heathers who went insane from being able to talk to each other en masse on platforms like Tumblr.

    At first it was a shock when social media was used politically in North African countries during the so-called ‘Arab Spring’, slogans, hashtags used in this way. Though lost in this was how it could also create echo chambers or create realities essentially controlled by adolescents and young adults who are still essentially adolescents. This was obscured because the demographics in North Africa circa 2011 were so heavily young skewed that it didn’t really represent too much of a conflict.

    The first big US election to take place after social media had gotten really big was in 2012 and after that, things began to change I suspect. Virtue signalling and low-information voter style discourse began. Until in 2020 we reach the point where Jamie Lee Curtis is tweeting a picture of a US mail van on a flatbed in August and suggesting Trump is having his vast army of loyal MAGA shirts putting them into storage to throttle the mail-in vote. Steve also thinks that Obama may have amped up ID-Pol after his second term began and that may be the case but I don’t think it was enough to cause this.

    As stated above, it’s very important to remember that not all demographics use social media as heavily and not all demographics are as susceptible to falling into group think or virtue signalling. The power users of social media are young women and adolescent girls and the power users among them are girls with cluster B personality disorders, people get tired of me saying this but it’s true and it’s an important context to understand what’s happening.

    Suddenly we had a cohort who is generally not very politically involved or interested (Having the lowest information level of any cohort on politics let alone geopolitics) becoming arguably the most political cohort.

    There has essentially been an electronic Salem Witch Trial going on for 8 or so years now.

    What’s crazy is that emotional reaction Trump elicited in those girls and other progressive liberals has been so intense that they have joined forces with the demographic of hardcore Friday Night Lights fans to push us towards a decisive confrontation with Russia. The only thing both those cohorts can agree upon is ‘Slava Ukraini’, the girls because they hate Putin as a proxy for Trump and the Friday Night Lights people because they always side with team America and it’s crazy neocon wars. But the neocon ‘Russiagate’ campaign worked so well the cohort who should be their biggest opponents on this are their biggest supporters. Though it looks like they overreached badly and it seems like the social media rhetoric made this become more of a test of US hegemony than it otherwise would. It also seems to have directly led to the mass attempts by governments and companies to ‘cancel’ Russia leading to the West expending all it’s possible non-military options for escalation in days and giving Russia nothing to lose. Pretty disastrous outcome for all concerned.

    How much has the rhetoric on Putin being pushed and pressure put on Biden to act aggressive towards Putin been driven by this new reality of histrionic emotional teenage girls becoming so influential on the internet? Not an irrelevant amount at all.

    It’s only been a few years and their influence has brought the world closer to nuclear war than ever before.

    Similar to how generations that grew up just as high sugar foods and lower amounts of physical activities suffered more than later generations that became obsessed with how to stay fit and attractive in this new environment, our civilisation hasn’t yet come to terms with teenage girls playing the world’s biggest online multiplayer game, social media and when to not take them so seriously. (The same people who take them so seriously en masse don’t take their own teenage daughters seriously)

    They’ve kind of lost their minds and become the most influential people in the world at the same time.

    • Agree: SFG
    • Thanks: Pixo, YetAnotherAnon, ic1000
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Altai

    I’d suggest that though an awful lots of ground work was laid over 40 years the big spark and proximate cause of the Great Awokening was the advent of social media. It was exactly those girls who watch Heathers who went insane from being able to talk to each other en masse on platforms like Tumblr.

    But social media sparked alt right as well. So, why did great woke gain over alt right? Because it was favored by the powers-that-be. While big tech increasing silenced alt right, it protected and promoted woke stuff, esp about blacks and homos.

    The effective suppression of alt right goes to show that social media alone isn't the key. It's the combination of social media and those enabled by the powers-that-be.

    What’s crazy is that emotional reaction Trump elicited in those girls and other progressive liberals has been so intense that they have joined forces with the demographic of hardcore Friday Night Lights fans to push us towards a decisive confrontation with Russia.

    But why were such people driven to such frenzy? Are they capable of coming up with ideas of their own? No. They spread the talking points and alarmism spread from the top of media and Democratic Party. These people are so feeble of mind that they believe a man is a woman is the powers-that-be tell them. They are truly dumb. They are incited to be eager and willing Karens against MAGA and anti-jabbers, but they also take the knee against blacks who are always right vis-a-vis 'karens'. They are without agency. Sure, social media amplified their voices, but their voices are not their own. They are NPCs whose strings are pulled by the the big power which is mostly Jewish.

    , @ic1000
    @Altai

    > I’d suggest that although an awful lot of ground work was laid over 40 years, the big spark and proximate cause of the Great Awokening was the advent of social media.

    Jon Haidt agrees. Here is Razib Khan's October 2022 hourlong interview of him.

    Haidt urges mandatory implementation of parental controls on smartphone-oriented social media. He believes that access to platforms like Tumblr, Tiktok, and Instagram is unhealthy for under-16s.

  44. why is a movie about the Browns drafting players not a comedy. i never heard of this movie before and actually laughed out loud when i read the premise. that trailer is hilarious nonsense that made me chuckle. the Browns office would best be portrayed by a couple of monkeys throwing darts at a fantasy football scouting report they bought at Barnes and Nobles while a dozen chickens run around with their heads cut off and hamsters run on a treadmill in the background.

    interesting statistical fact that Steve has never picked up on or written about – over the last 22 years or something along those lines, the Browns are way, way worse than random chance would predict. indeed, even sports books, experts in stats and probability, overrate the Browns chances in their numbers. they are extremely bad in a way that defies probability. they should have accidentally been good by now at some point. considering NFL is deliberately set up for parity whereas MLB is not, it defies all odds. Browns management is aggressively bad. Robert Conquest’s laws apply.

    there was a time for several years where the Browns pretty much never made their line or over under sports betting numbers, whereas the Patriots were almost always over their numbers, even given the generous odds offered by books. the Browns always lost by more than the line and the Patriots always won by more. this went on for seasons and i have to assume astute bettors made bank on this when books blithely failed to correct it.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    @prime noticer

    Have the browns been an unusually black team since they were "reborn" in the late 90's? Asking for a friend.

    , @Brutusale
    @prime noticer

    The Browns had their shot!
    https://imgs.search.brave.com/4fTbI3s3ZSlMWIGpaKGifytssGMuGjGib9a9I3ezL30/rs:fit:1200:1200:1/g:ce/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cu/dHJiaW1nLmNvbS9p/bWctNWE2ZTA3ODIv/dHVyYmluZS9jdC1w/YXRyaW90cy1iaWxs/LWJlbGljaGljay1i/cm93bnMtMjAxODAx/Mjg

  45. The few moments of “Heathers” that I’ve seen on various deep-cable outlets convince me it’s an anti-shiksa wet dream.

  46. @JimDandy
    @HammerJack

    You're entitled to your subjective opinion, but his looks really do appeal to a certain group in Hollywood. He might be an Indiana farm boy in real life, but as a fictional New York Jewish guy (say, Adam Sackler in Girls) he's the equivalent of a Greek God.

    Replies: @hhsiii, @DCThrowback

    I thought he did a good job in the Baumbach movie about the failed marriage to ScaJo. Especially his “impromptu” version of Being Alive. Also good in Frances Ha and Inside Llewyn Davis. And that Star Wars thing. And BlacKKlansman.

    Then again, I like Heathers and Friday Night Lights.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @hhsiii

    He played an uber-Jew in all of those movies. Except, perhaps, the one about spacemen.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @hhsiii

  47. @AnotherDad

    as the world’s most famous comedian (magnetic but utterly unfunny. Is there anything more alienating that listening to an audience who howls in laughter at not funny jokes? Why, yes, there is: in the operatic Annette, the packed audiences sings in response) who marries the world’s most famous opera soprano (Marion Cotillard) and then she gives birth to a marionette, but nobody seems to notice that the baby is made out of wood.
     
    Can't say the description of Draft Day interests me either. But I find this stuff just painfully stupid--hence unpleasant.

    I just think it's lazy. If someone actually has any compelling insight into human complexities, and artistic ambitions, they should be able to write a drama about those human complexities playing out. Last I checked the number of women giving birth to wooden babies is zero.

    Talented people with something to say, can say it. Ridiculous nonsense signals useless-people-who-consider-themselves-"artists".

    Replies: @obwandiyag, @Director95, @Old Prude

    Agree,

    There is a genre of fiction out there where a the narrative tells a seemingly straight up narrative then spins fantasies into the telling, bringing the thing back to earth without a blink. No sale on this Magical Realism stuff: If you have a story to tell, and can’t make it compelling without flights of fancy, then you really are just kind of telling a pointless yarn with no funny punchline.

    • Agree: al gore rhythms
    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Old Prude

    Wes Anderson is as Magical Realist as I care to get. And Paul Thomas Anderson.

    I find it's a minority opinion, but The Life Aquatic With Steve Zissou is one of my all-time favorite films. It also might be the last film Bill Murray made before succumbing to elderly Tourette's (or just plain elderly a**hole).

  48. @obwandiyag
    "who Ryan Leaf was"

    Jesus Christ. Just never use "whom" if you don't know how to use it. Then you won't sound quite so stupid.

    Replies: @HFR, @Right_On

    “whom (who) Ryan Leaf was”: Yes, I too caught that. But, I just corrected it in my mind and moved on.
    Mr. Sailer was careless; calling him stupid seems over the top.

  49. @Renard
    @Hodag

    Did you see Miss Ryder in Turks and Caicos? She's a revelation.

    And is your favorite Replacements song "I Will Dare"?

    Replies: @Hodag, @JimDandy, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Gary in Gramercy, @Rouetheday, @Curle

    Unsatisfied

  50. @BosTex
    Hey Steve- Good morning and happy Friday Eve!

    thanks for watching these movies so I don’t have to.

    Heathers is one of the more repellent movies produced in recent years starring slitty eyed midget, Christian Slater. Revenge fantasy. Like we need more of those.

    A movie where someone gives birth to a marionette sounds atrocious.

    Kevin Costner: if you like Kevin Costner, you will like Kevin Costner movies since he is always the same guy: Kevin Costner. If you don’t like Kevin Costner…

    We used to have actors: Dustin Hoffman, Anthony Hopkins, Jack Nicholson, Paul Newman, etc: people capable of portraying other humans in a nuanced and intelligent way, with stories that you might want to see and enjoy.

    Great movie that very few have seen: The Last Detail with Jack Nicholson. Hell of a good story and Nicholson inhabits his character. Language is very rough so you have to wait til after the kiddies are in bed.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Russ

    “A movie where someone gives birth to a marionette sounds atrocious.”

    Wait until you get a gander at the religion said birth will beget.

    “Great movie that very few have seen: The Last Detail with Jack Nicholson.”

    Yep, great movie. A realistic depiction of the squalid conditions of base life for a USN enlisted man in the post Vietnam landscape. The Reagan-Bush era of ballooning Pentagon budgets did little to improve those squalid conditions. But all of those golden gumdrops did upscale the lives of cronies in on the development of new weapons systems like SDI. Although, some of that fortune was not all grift-related: a lot of the SDI funding went to fund occultic technology that some have labeled UFOs. The secret space program exists and is controlled by a cabal birthed in the post WW2 era that receives monies from the federal government but is not answerable to it.

  51. @Twinkie
    Hard pass on both. My wife and I do watch “Yellowstone”* (with Costner) though. That’s our guilty pleasure along with “The Crown.” My wife just finished “Dark” on my recommendation.

    Friday Night Lights
     
    The film or the TV series? I thought the latter was quite good.

    *That show needs get rid of the annoying Chinese actress who pretends to be an American Indian.

    The last good movie I saw was “Hell or High Water.” Unsurprisingly, it was written by the same guy who created “Yellowstone.”

    Replies: @Russ, @pyrrhus, @Jim Don Bob, @Buzz Mohawk

    +1 on Hell or High Water. Excellent movie.

  52. Can’t imagine Costner having given a wooden performance. Dances with Wolves aged terribly, probably wasn’t very good to begin with and was only given an Oscar for political reasons, pure propaganda. Still Costner did once date Elle Macpherson…

    • Replies: @BosTex
    @LondonBob

    Costner’a not much of an actor: he doesn’t turn into anyone. He is just himself in every role.

    However, he has made some very entertaining movies:

    -Bull Durham is always fun to watch. That’s actually a very good sports movie.

    -The Untouchables is pretty good as well (though I think Sean Connery really is the heart and soul of the movie, not Costner).

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Feryl, @Ron Mexico

    , @ScarletNumber
    @LondonBob


    Dances with Wolves aged terribly, probably wasn’t very good to begin with and was only given an Oscar for political reasons, pure propaganda
     
    Goodfellas should have won, of course. Despite Scorsese directing, the Oscar itself would have gone to its producer, Irwin Winkler (who won for Rocky).
    , @Mike Tre
    @LondonBob

    You’re being sarcastic right? Costner was nothing but wooden throughout the 90’s. Dances, Wyatt Earp, Waterworld, etc. He was dull and stiff.

    Maybe cocaine was what made him interesting in the 80’s?

    , @Anonymous
    @LondonBob

    Cameron's Avatar is nothing more than a sci-fi remake of Dances with Wolves.

  53. @HammerJack

    Adam Driver (whom I really like — he’s an Indiana kid who enlisted in the Marines after 9/11 and he straddles the border between homely and magnificent)
     
    Right, but you're also hot for this chick. Your aesthetic sense may need recalibration. That guy looks like the hind end of a farm animal.


    https://i.ibb.co/4TxDM27/U8-VLg-q-R4e-1.jpg

    Is it because she's a billionaire, sort of? You figure she's a soft touch and you can hit her up? You must have some crazy expenses you're not telling us about.

    Replies: @SFG, @Anonymous, @Alfa158, @JimDandy, @BB753, @Anonymous, @tyrone, @Reg Cæsar, @R.G. Camara, @kaganovitch, @The Alarmist, @Inquiring Mind, @XBardon Kaldlan

    Who’s this homely woman? Judging from the bruises on her knees, I get a clue why she might be popular with some men.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @BB753

    Can't find Steve's original Declaration of Love just now but it likely precedes these mentions:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/shoplifting-costs-target-600-million-more-this-year/#comment-5662852

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/ftx/#comment-5666959

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/ftx/#comment-5663662

    , @HammerJack
    @BB753

    Found the original now. Quite a number of guys here like her! Oh well.. She must have something going for her, but it sure ain't looks.


    https://www.unz.com/isteve/caroline-ellisons-tumblr/

    Replies: @SFG, @BB753

  54. @Tono-Bungay
    I repeat my question: Why is Steve Sailer absent from TAki's yesterday?

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Intelligent Dasein

    “I repeat my question: Why is Steve Sailer absent from TAki’s yesterday? [two sics?]”

    Now that the talented but completely vile Bryan Singer is off the Logan’s Run reboot, Steve has been brought in to reimagine the project. First change is a doozy: the death ritual at Carousel will not be determined by age and applicable to both genders. Steve’s Carousel completely eschews the Last Day concept and limits the test to men: Upon putting on the white ritual robe with the boss fiery flame embroidering the man has to achieve a boner during his lift into the air or he will be fried by the lasers. Second change is a clever marketing ploy mimicking the tag line from the recent and fantastic Dune film — “The Spice is life.” In Steve’s Logan’s Run “The Boner is life.” Which makes a lot more sense biologically because without boners there is no human life. Although reimagineer Steve faces a disposal problem: no death ritual for the ladies means the Dome City will be crowded with shrieky menopause recipients and their barking dog companions.

    In answer to your repeated question: Steve has been busy with the boners.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @SunBakedSuburb

    Oh, come on. It’s modern Hollywood. The penis is evil!

    (Long as we’re talking cheesy Seventies movies…)

  55. Anonymous[280] • Disclaimer says:

    Friday Night Lights fans are who you want in your foxhole. On the other hand, Heathers fans are probably going to create more interesting art and music. You want to have a culture that can balance both.

    Don’t we have that with woke superhero and Star Wars movies? Or the US military that is oh-so-tough and so gaaaaaay.

    Speaking of foxholes, which side wages the wars that require men to hop into foxholes?

    The Heathers gang or the Draft gang?

    The main sickness of the US is the very balance of heather and draft in US power structure. We have the balance of the Draft folks and Heather folks. We have neurotics pushing neuroticism, and we have the lame-squares who take orders and implement the GAE agenda.

    Better way is not balance but separation. Let the drafters do their thing, let the heathers do their thing. Let draft spaces remain draft, let heathers spaces remain heathery. But the mainstream of draft has been heathered, resulting in a cultural balance between the two.

    Ideally, society should be 90% draft and uphold draft values. Heathery types should remain in the margins with their neurotic but sometimes interesting ideas. But the balance of minority heathers and majority drafters has led to disaster.

  56. Foo Fighters “Best of You” (the peak of corporate rock) vs. “Strawberry Fields Forever.“

    Strawberry Fields is strange but perfectly appealing to pop fans. For really nutball stuff, there’s Kate Bush’s ‘Wuthering Heights’. WTF

    • Agree: HammerJack
    • Replies: @anonymous
    @Anonymous

    I see the contrast between the two songs, but confess I don't understand why "Best" is peak corporate. Oh well, I'm still listening to Jackie DeShannon.

  57. @anon
    But all the explaining is just for the target audience’s wives and girlfriends.

    And Jennifer Garner's quip about the macho football players competing for a piece of jewelry. We're to assume that football executives find such sophomoric takes to be confounding yet fascinating. She has it every way - she's one of the guys with high status in a male profession, yet she's got power skirted sexual allure, but she's also above all the silliness of grown men chasing a ball around a field. Is it possible to make a guy movie for guys without putting this sort of thing in? And not as a throwaway moment in the plot but in the trailer, where it's supposed to represent something of the essence of the movie.

    Replies: @Russ

    She has it every way – she’s one of the guys with high status in a male profession, yet she’s got power skirted sexual allure, but she’s also above all the silliness of grown men chasing a ball around a field.

    She’s probably Gary Bettman’s dream president of an NHL team. Or of all NHL teams. Exotic hue and/or dike-pluggery a plus

  58. @BosTex
    Hey Steve- Good morning and happy Friday Eve!

    thanks for watching these movies so I don’t have to.

    Heathers is one of the more repellent movies produced in recent years starring slitty eyed midget, Christian Slater. Revenge fantasy. Like we need more of those.

    A movie where someone gives birth to a marionette sounds atrocious.

    Kevin Costner: if you like Kevin Costner, you will like Kevin Costner movies since he is always the same guy: Kevin Costner. If you don’t like Kevin Costner…

    We used to have actors: Dustin Hoffman, Anthony Hopkins, Jack Nicholson, Paul Newman, etc: people capable of portraying other humans in a nuanced and intelligent way, with stories that you might want to see and enjoy.

    Great movie that very few have seen: The Last Detail with Jack Nicholson. Hell of a good story and Nicholson inhabits his character. Language is very rough so you have to wait til after the kiddies are in bed.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Russ

    Great movie that very few have seen: The Last Detail with Jack Nicholson. Hell of a good story and Nicholson inhabits his character. Language is very rough so you have to wait til after the kiddies are in bed.

    Nicholson’s yodeling while the doomed Randy Quaid ascends the stairs with the prostitute was a career highlight.

    • LOL: BosTex
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Russ

    Yes, "The Last Detail" was great.

    , @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @Russ

    Jack demonstrating semaphore in his boxer shorts and flat hat is pretty good.

    Replies: @BosTex, @BosTex

  59. Anonymous[280] • Disclaimer says:
    @Altai

    Friday Night Lights fans are who you want in your foxhole. On the other hand, Heathers fans are probably going to create more interesting art and music. You want to have a culture that can balance both.
     
    Steve often ponders if the Great Awokening was begun in the universities or by the media. I'd suggest that though an awful lots of ground work was laid over 40 years the big spark and proximate cause of the Great Awokening was the advent of social media. It was exactly those girls who watch Heathers who went insane from being able to talk to each other en masse on platforms like Tumblr.

    At first it was a shock when social media was used politically in North African countries during the so-called 'Arab Spring', slogans, hashtags used in this way. Though lost in this was how it could also create echo chambers or create realities essentially controlled by adolescents and young adults who are still essentially adolescents. This was obscured because the demographics in North Africa circa 2011 were so heavily young skewed that it didn't really represent too much of a conflict.

    The first big US election to take place after social media had gotten really big was in 2012 and after that, things began to change I suspect. Virtue signalling and low-information voter style discourse began. Until in 2020 we reach the point where Jamie Lee Curtis is tweeting a picture of a US mail van on a flatbed in August and suggesting Trump is having his vast army of loyal MAGA shirts putting them into storage to throttle the mail-in vote. Steve also thinks that Obama may have amped up ID-Pol after his second term began and that may be the case but I don't think it was enough to cause this.

    https://twitter.com/jamieleecurtis/status/1293246051772588032

    As stated above, it's very important to remember that not all demographics use social media as heavily and not all demographics are as susceptible to falling into group think or virtue signalling. The power users of social media are young women and adolescent girls and the power users among them are girls with cluster B personality disorders, people get tired of me saying this but it's true and it's an important context to understand what's happening.

    Suddenly we had a cohort who is generally not very politically involved or interested (Having the lowest information level of any cohort on politics let alone geopolitics) becoming arguably the most political cohort.

    There has essentially been an electronic Salem Witch Trial going on for 8 or so years now.

    What's crazy is that emotional reaction Trump elicited in those girls and other progressive liberals has been so intense that they have joined forces with the demographic of hardcore Friday Night Lights fans to push us towards a decisive confrontation with Russia. The only thing both those cohorts can agree upon is 'Slava Ukraini', the girls because they hate Putin as a proxy for Trump and the Friday Night Lights people because they always side with team America and it's crazy neocon wars. But the neocon 'Russiagate' campaign worked so well the cohort who should be their biggest opponents on this are their biggest supporters. Though it looks like they overreached badly and it seems like the social media rhetoric made this become more of a test of US hegemony than it otherwise would. It also seems to have directly led to the mass attempts by governments and companies to 'cancel' Russia leading to the West expending all it's possible non-military options for escalation in days and giving Russia nothing to lose. Pretty disastrous outcome for all concerned.

    How much has the rhetoric on Putin being pushed and pressure put on Biden to act aggressive towards Putin been driven by this new reality of histrionic emotional teenage girls becoming so influential on the internet? Not an irrelevant amount at all.

    It's only been a few years and their influence has brought the world closer to nuclear war than ever before.

    Similar to how generations that grew up just as high sugar foods and lower amounts of physical activities suffered more than later generations that became obsessed with how to stay fit and attractive in this new environment, our civilisation hasn't yet come to terms with teenage girls playing the world's biggest online multiplayer game, social media and when to not take them so seriously. (The same people who take them so seriously en masse don't take their own teenage daughters seriously)

    They've kind of lost their minds and become the most influential people in the world at the same time.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @ic1000

    I’d suggest that though an awful lots of ground work was laid over 40 years the big spark and proximate cause of the Great Awokening was the advent of social media. It was exactly those girls who watch Heathers who went insane from being able to talk to each other en masse on platforms like Tumblr.

    But social media sparked alt right as well. So, why did great woke gain over alt right? Because it was favored by the powers-that-be. While big tech increasing silenced alt right, it protected and promoted woke stuff, esp about blacks and homos.

    The effective suppression of alt right goes to show that social media alone isn’t the key. It’s the combination of social media and those enabled by the powers-that-be.

    What’s crazy is that emotional reaction Trump elicited in those girls and other progressive liberals has been so intense that they have joined forces with the demographic of hardcore Friday Night Lights fans to push us towards a decisive confrontation with Russia.

    But why were such people driven to such frenzy? Are they capable of coming up with ideas of their own? No. They spread the talking points and alarmism spread from the top of media and Democratic Party. These people are so feeble of mind that they believe a man is a woman is the powers-that-be tell them. They are truly dumb. They are incited to be eager and willing Karens against MAGA and anti-jabbers, but they also take the knee against blacks who are always right vis-a-vis ‘karens’. They are without agency. Sure, social media amplified their voices, but their voices are not their own. They are NPCs whose strings are pulled by the the big power which is mostly Jewish.

    • Agree: HammerJack
  60. Anonymous[335] • Disclaimer says:
    @HammerJack

    Adam Driver (whom I really like — he’s an Indiana kid who enlisted in the Marines after 9/11 and he straddles the border between homely and magnificent)
     
    Right, but you're also hot for this chick. Your aesthetic sense may need recalibration. That guy looks like the hind end of a farm animal.


    https://i.ibb.co/4TxDM27/U8-VLg-q-R4e-1.jpg

    Is it because she's a billionaire, sort of? You figure she's a soft touch and you can hit her up? You must have some crazy expenses you're not telling us about.

    Replies: @SFG, @Anonymous, @Alfa158, @JimDandy, @BB753, @Anonymous, @tyrone, @Reg Cæsar, @R.G. Camara, @kaganovitch, @The Alarmist, @Inquiring Mind, @XBardon Kaldlan

    Sailer finds that creature attractive? Is he becoming like one of those pretty shikse chicks who fall for Woody Allen? What a fall from the Kathryn Bigelow fixation.

    As for Adam Driver, he’s useful in eccentric and oddball roles, like in Paterson.

    But he’s no star material. He looks like John Travolta drawn by Picasso.

    He was supposed to be Han Solo’s kid in the new Star Wars. Whom did Solo mate with? Jar Jar Binks?

    • Thanks: HammerJack
    • LOL: fish
  61. Anonymous[335] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    I watched Draft Day when it came on a sports channel once. I’m surprised you didn’t mention the part where Kevin Costner divines that the black prospect who appeared to be hotheaded and have low impulse control in one incident during a game actually had a good reason for his behavior.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Friday Night Lights. Sounds like whites cheering for blacks movie. Cuck stuff.

    Heathers. Christian Slater, troublemaker as in Pump Up the Volume later.

    People might see Heathers differently today. Back when it came out, it was about the popular ‘normal’ kids vs the weirdo. But with the new normal, the ‘popular’ people today are into weirdo globo-homo, tranny nonsense, and BLM. And it’s the ‘conservative’ who is the oddball outcast, or the unspoken id of occam’s razor.

    Many on the right today are more likely to identify with Slater(or even the Joker).

    • Replies: @Franz
    @Anonymous


    Friday Night Lights. Sounds like whites cheering for blacks movie. Cuck stuff.
     
    Anyone know there actually IS a movie named "Cuck"? I found it by accident but it was like someone was reading various sites, maybe even this one, and decided to make a Big Statement Movie. It came out (had a showing in Cleveland) in 2019. Then pfffft. According to wiki it is not divulging how much money it made, which probably means it's underwater.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuck_(film)
  62. OT (1) – Belgium out of World Cup, Morocco through – I imagine the Moroccan rioting in Brussels is already happening.

    https://www.brusselstimes.com/brussels/330615/brussels-police-adapt-strategy-for-belgium-and-morocco-matches-today

    OT (2) – WWT news – Harley Street doctor specialising in “feminisation” of male tranny faces is suspended after inadvertently blinding a patient.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11490635/Transgender-expert-dubbed-Snapchat-Surgeon-licence-suspended-botched-op-blinded-patient.html

  63. Among American raised movie stars still relevant today to some degree the strongest batch would be those born between 1936 and 1943 where you’ll find Robert Redford, Burt Reynolds, Jack Nicholson, Dustin Hoffman, Warren Beatty, Al Pacino, Harrison Ford, Robert De Niro. The next batch would probably be 1954-1956 with John Travolta, Kevin Costner, Denzel Washington, Bruce Willis, Tom Hanks.

    While in the first group half would probably be considered virtuosos of film acting craft and all of them made movies that were remembered more for their artistic rather than commercial success the second group seems to all be quite generic everymen/stoic leading men in the mold of Harrison Ford and Robert Redford associated mostly with pretty standard mid to big budget Hollywood fare(Travolta is the only one who got a taste of New Hollywood in his early career before fading into obscurity for 10 years). Was it lack of interest in auteur cinema in the 80s? Star Wars/Heaven’s Gate Effect?

    The next batch(’62-’63) of movie stars in Tom Cruise, Brad Pitt and Johnny Depp all look more like glamour models rather than character leading man like Nicholson or even classic leading man like Cary Grant. Only Sean Penn(1960) who came up together with Cruise seemed to be replicating Hoffman and Pacino type of “star of artistic import”. But was he ever as relevant as those previously mentioned?

    Who is today’s De Niro? Ryan Gosling? Competent and picks interesting movies(except the last one) but not really that exciting. Similar with Gyllenhaal(he’s amazing performance in Nightcrawler went largely unnoticed). Joaquin Phoenix? Aside from Joker too niche I would say. Adam Driver is too ugly to be a draw. Probably destined to have a Robert Duvall type of career. Most popular actors in their prime today are probably Chris Hemsworth and Chris Evans. Hemsworth movie today doesn’t have the same ring to it as De Niro movie in 1970s and 80s.

    • Agree: HammerJack
  64. @Twinkie
    Hard pass on both. My wife and I do watch “Yellowstone”* (with Costner) though. That’s our guilty pleasure along with “The Crown.” My wife just finished “Dark” on my recommendation.

    Friday Night Lights
     
    The film or the TV series? I thought the latter was quite good.

    *That show needs get rid of the annoying Chinese actress who pretends to be an American Indian.

    The last good movie I saw was “Hell or High Water.” Unsurprisingly, it was written by the same guy who created “Yellowstone.”

    Replies: @Russ, @pyrrhus, @Jim Don Bob, @Buzz Mohawk

    My wife and I watch Yellowstone too. I share some philosophy with John Dutton (Kevin Costner.) My wife calls him my brother. I have the hots for his daughter, Beth (Kelly Reilly.)

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @Buzz Mohawk

    She might be the most ridiculous and poorly written character on television.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    , @duncsbaby
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Sorry, but let me cure you of your Yellowstone admiration:

    https://www.mediaite.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Kevin-Costner-Wears-Liz-Cheney-Swag.jpg

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Twinkie

  65. @Pixo
    OT: New Ashkenazi ancient DNA study from a bunch of German Jews’ teeth dug up from a relocation of a graveyard.

    https://theconversation.com/ancient-dna-from-the-teeth-of-14th-century-ashkenazi-jews-in-germany-already-included-genetic-variations-common-in-modern-jews-194780

    The biggest news from it in my view is there were two subgroups of AJs in the middle ages: a Western group without Slavic blood and an Eastern group with a lot of Slavic admixture. These two groups eventually interbred to the point of merger. The graveyard was near the boundary of the two distinct groups and they are both present in the graveyard.

    Replies: @MEH 0910


    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/30/science/ashkenazi-jews-genetic-history.html
    https://archive.ph/ZlEGL

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Pixo
    @MEH 0910

    Thanks for the paywall bypass link!

    This surprised me:

    “ Scientists had previously calculated that the bottleneck event of the Ashkenazi Jewish population occurred roughly 600 to 800 years ago. “

    WTF? 1222 - 1422 makes no sense whatsoever as the AJ population bottleneck, they were all over the place by then.

    A founder population bottleneck circa 700-900AD makes a lot more sense.

  66. @JimDandy
    @HammerJack

    You're entitled to your subjective opinion, but his looks really do appeal to a certain group in Hollywood. He might be an Indiana farm boy in real life, but as a fictional New York Jewish guy (say, Adam Sackler in Girls) he's the equivalent of a Greek God.

    Replies: @hhsiii, @DCThrowback

    He was by far the best and most compelling character in Girls.

    In fact, the meta joke w/ Girls (to me) was that the male characters were infinitely more interesting than the 4 main female characters (except the episode where Alison Williams decided to get *almost* naked).

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @DCThrowback


    except the episode where Alison Williams decided to get *almost* naked
     
    You're not talking about the scene featuring the prime taste treat, are you? She applied something from the kitchen for that, so the actor wouldn't get sick, i.e., nauseous.
    , @JimDandy
    @DCThrowback

    Agreed. And Steve might be getting a lot of mockery on this, but women (even the shiksas) seem to find him super sexy. Maybe because he's a mashup of Gaston & The Beast.

    Replies: @Inverness

  67. Annette stars Adam Driver (whom I really like — he’s an Indiana kid who enlisted in the Marines after 9/11 and he straddles the border between homely and magnificent)

    Good on you, Steve! Yes, Driver went up significantly in my book when you shared that tidbit in reviewing another movie of his from several years back (WHILE WE ARE YOUNG?). Kinnda like how Gary Sinise looks a bit sinister on the surface until you learn of all the great veterans volunteer work he’s done and then your opinion completely flips.

    Driver is the obvious choice to play a young Pete Townsend if they ever get around to a THE WHO music-bio .

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
    @Abe


    Driver is the obvious choice to play a young Pete Townsend if they ever get around to a THE WHO music-bio .
     
    Sorry, but the time for this has been long past. Adam Driver is 37. Pete Townshend was 37 in 1983, one year after the Who put out It's Hard, which would be their last album for 20 years. Both blokes do sprout prominent proboscises though, I'll give you that.
  68. @Anonymous
    @HammerJack

    Alt-right neckbeards continue to stroke off to her while claiming how ugly she is and how much they hate her. The same way that normie conservatives do to AOC.

    Replies: @Abe

    Alt-right neckbeards continue to stroke off to her while claiming how ugly she is and how much they hate her.

    Which is totally different from how coastal credentialed NPC libtards were once so obsessed with everything that came in and out (and in what temporal order!) of Sarah Palin’s [email protected]

  69. @Director95
    @AnotherDad

    dad writes_ Last I checked the number of women giving birth to wooden babies is zero.

    Wait a minute! Are we talking Natural Births or Immaculate Conceptions?

    Replies: @Anon

    If it’s a puppet baby, then Joe Biden is definitely the father.

  70. anonymous[726] • Disclaimer says:

    Adam Driver is starring in Noah Baumbach’s adaptation of White Noise.

    There’s a lot of talk about White Noise being this postmodern American magnum opus but frankly I think a lot of people who were actually alive and writing about literature when it was published don’t realize how it was easily eclipsed by Infinite Jest in that category just a decade later.

  71. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Twinkie

    My wife and I watch Yellowstone too. I share some philosophy with John Dutton (Kevin Costner.) My wife calls him my brother. I have the hots for his daughter, Beth (Kelly Reilly.)

    https://www.therut.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/0672A919-5286-438F-A63D-A98F91D2486D.jpeg

    Replies: @anonymous, @duncsbaby

    She might be the most ridiculous and poorly written character on television.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @anonymous


    She might be the most ridiculous and poorly written character on television.

     

    My kind of girl.

    All seriousness aside, the whole show is over the top. Melancholy to the max every episode, it is unreal, but that is entertainment. I call it my soap opera. It takes place in a Mountain West setting that looks very much like the place where I came of age and feel bonded to. My home town.

    And I get a kick out of Beth's character and the way she says and does things without censoring herself -- and gets away with it.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  72. @Steve Sailer
    @Hodag

    "Juno" was a tribute to Liz Phair taking on the cool white guys in Chicago 30 years ago.

    Replies: @Danindc

    Can you expand on this. I met Liz Phair when I won a trivia contest on WHFS almost 30 years ago. She was my dream girl. I brought her a Hersheys w almond as a sort of joke and she loved it. Didn’t she marry and have kids with a cool white guy?

    The trivia question was what movie was referenced in the liner notes of her blockbuster album Exile in Guyville.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Danindc

    The pretty good movie "Juno" was sort of a tribute to Liz Phair.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Danindc


    I met Liz Phair when I won a trivia contest on WHFS almost 30 years ago. She was my dream girl.
     
    Maybe she had some in-person magnetism, but her music (lyrics and sound) and performance persona is cringe. Any guy praising her as an artist is doing it for silly simp reasons: She’s hot and she’s raunchy and she plays guitar! Whoa!

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-decline-of-capitalization/#comment-5351988 (#7)

    Do guys who aren’t really into (new/good) music who go gaga for Lana Del Rey, Emily Haines (Metric), Grimes, and going back a bit, Liz Phair (zing!) appreciate more the actual music, or more the image and attitude of said dames? I think it’s the latter ...
     

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Inverness, @Whereismyhandle, @Danindc, @Hodag

    , @Gary in Gramercy
    @Danindc

    Dirty Harry.

  73. @slumber_j
    @J.Ross


    Heathers is over-celebrated by plebbitards and received a confused adaptation as a series by one of the streaming moneylosers.
     
    I don't remember much about Heathers except that I thought it was vastly overrated and not actually very good. Then again its biggest proponent among my college friends went on to be president of Joss Whedon's Mutant Enemy Productions in the early 2000s, so what do I know?

    Replies: @Danindc

    It wasn’t that funny although the “I love my dead, gay son!” Was hysterical

  74. @Anonymous
    Don’t beat yourself up over being an idiot over Ryan Leaf.
    He did have an edge in physical talent over Peyton. It was evident in the Rose Bowl his last year of college. The guy threw lasers. Peyton always threw wobbly throws etc.

    The casual College Football fan cannot know the details of a player’s psyche, or have access to interviews of all his high school coaches or acquntances. Especially in 1998, there was less info on that openly available.

    Also back in that era the notion of a player’s exposure to Big League Sports as a child was not contemplated.
    Now 24 years later it is pretty evident that guys like Peyton, Eli and countless other 2nd or 3rd generation players benefit from having grown up around a Major League locker room, seeing Dad’s weekly game prep and off-season regimen: Film, workouts, etc.

    Another example: I read that Larry Fitzgerald, although not the son of an NFLer, grew up around the Minnesota Viking training camp as a ball boy. Countless time spent observing, absorbing and therefore not intimidated or overwhelmed by the Big Time.

    I’m sure Tom Brady’s sons have that edge since the genetics are likey already there.

    Replies: @Danindc

    Yes, his dad was a sports reporter for some fake African American newspaper that about 9 people read. He did have a press pass though.

  75. @Danindc
    @Steve Sailer

    Can you expand on this. I met Liz Phair when I won a trivia contest on WHFS almost 30 years ago. She was my dream girl. I brought her a Hersheys w almond as a sort of joke and she loved it. Didn’t she marry and have kids with a cool white guy?

    The trivia question was what movie was referenced in the liner notes of her blockbuster album Exile in Guyville.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Gary in Gramercy

    The pretty good movie “Juno” was sort of a tribute to Liz Phair.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Steve Sailer

    The author, "Diablo Cody", is the literary equivalent of Liz Phair. Both are moderately rebellious girls from the Chicago suburbs. Both later married and settled down, more or less. Liz has one child who turns 25 this month, and Diablo three, the youngest going on five.

    I bet I was the first iStever to have encountered Diablo's work. She attended a show in Minneapolis by the Chocolate Factory, a touring troupe of black male strippers, and wrote it up in the City Pages. I assumed she was also black, but that turned out not to be the case. She blogged about stripping herself. She was alone among her colleagues in not taking the job out of need, but curiosity. She had a college degree, caring (if unaware) parents, and no substance issues.

    She discusses affordable family formation here:


    More important, Cody thinks, is to represent the experience so many new mothers have of feeling completely overwhelmed — and, often, unable to articulate that they’re in the surreal depths of postpartum depression.

    “When you’re in it, it’s impossible to see the end of it,” she says. “It feels permanent.” For Marlo, salvation comes in the form of the enigmatic and vaguely mystical Tully, who enables her to get a good night’s sleep and begin to feel like herself again.

    In the real world, this is a solution only available to those who can afford to throw money at this problem — a tale of two parenthoods starkly outlined in the film.

    “Marlo’s brother is rich, and everything at their house is hunky-dory,” Cody says. “If they have a dinner party, they can just send their kids into another room with a nanny.”

    Cody has seen this firsthand living among the well-to-do in LA.

    “There are a lot of very happy mothers here, because they’re very well rested,” she says. “They have a lot of help. And it’s very easy to say, ‘Oh, I’m gonna have a fourth child,’ when you’re not struggling financially. When you can leave anytime to go to SoulCycle. That’s very different than the experience I witnessed growing up in Illinois, around working-class people, when you have two working parents and it’s tough to make ends meet.”


    https://nypost.com/2018/05/03/diablo-codys-kids-have-no-idea-shes-famous/
     

  76. @DCThrowback
    @JimDandy

    He was by far the best and most compelling character in Girls.

    In fact, the meta joke w/ Girls (to me) was that the male characters were infinitely more interesting than the 4 main female characters (except the episode where Alison Williams decided to get *almost* naked).

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @JimDandy

    except the episode where Alison Williams decided to get *almost* naked

    You’re not talking about the scene featuring the prime taste treat, are you? She applied something from the kitchen for that, so the actor wouldn’t get sick, i.e., nauseous.

  77. @Russ
    @BosTex


    Great movie that very few have seen: The Last Detail with Jack Nicholson. Hell of a good story and Nicholson inhabits his character. Language is very rough so you have to wait til after the kiddies are in bed.
     
    Nicholson's yodeling while the doomed Randy Quaid ascends the stairs with the prostitute was a career highlight.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Yes, “The Last Detail” was great.

  78. @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @Hodag


    1. I also, at length and very out loud, was a Ryan Leaf proponent. It cured me from any draft prognostication.
     
    At the time it was proposed that Leaf was a better pick than Manning because he "had a higher ceiling." Obviously in retrospect he had the much lower floor.

    Sometimes I think you have to understand that in a world of 24/7 sports Media, they too need something to talk about incessantly. So they're going to feed the drama about which would be the better quarterback.

    Replies: @Feryl, @megabar

    Leaf was big, strong, and even quite mobile. Peyton on the other hand had to be a genius due to his physical limitations. GMs basically roll the dice when it comes to physical specimens, and indeed Leaf by his own admission partied too much and didn’t study enough. Given the correlation between Superbowl wins and the Wonderlic (in playoff football, defense tends to improve significantly so playoff success as a QB really does depend on good judgement and being able to read a defense both of which are easier with a high IQ), I’d say that being above average in the brains department is more important than anything else when evaluating a QB. College grades would also be a good test of conscientiousness.

  79. @Renard
    @Hodag

    Did you see Miss Ryder in Turks and Caicos? She's a revelation.

    And is your favorite Replacements song "I Will Dare"?

    Replies: @Hodag, @JimDandy, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Gary in Gramercy, @Rouetheday, @Curle

    “Waitress in the Sky”

  80. And speaking of farces:

    Switzerland, Facing an Unprecedented Power Shortage, Contemplates a Partial Ban on the Use of Electric Vehicles
    It turns out that you can have battery-powered cars, or you can have renewable energy, but you can’t have both.

    https://www.eugyppius.com/p/switzerland-facing-an-unprecedented?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=268621&post_id=88017513&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email

  81. @Old Prude
    @AnotherDad

    Agree,

    There is a genre of fiction out there where a the narrative tells a seemingly straight up narrative then spins fantasies into the telling, bringing the thing back to earth without a blink. No sale on this Magical Realism stuff: If you have a story to tell, and can't make it compelling without flights of fancy, then you really are just kind of telling a pointless yarn with no funny punchline.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    Wes Anderson is as Magical Realist as I care to get. And Paul Thomas Anderson.

    I find it’s a minority opinion, but The Life Aquatic With Steve Zissou is one of my all-time favorite films. It also might be the last film Bill Murray made before succumbing to elderly Tourette’s (or just plain elderly a**hole).

  82. @prime noticer
    why is a movie about the Browns drafting players not a comedy. i never heard of this movie before and actually laughed out loud when i read the premise. that trailer is hilarious nonsense that made me chuckle. the Browns office would best be portrayed by a couple of monkeys throwing darts at a fantasy football scouting report they bought at Barnes and Nobles while a dozen chickens run around with their heads cut off and hamsters run on a treadmill in the background.

    interesting statistical fact that Steve has never picked up on or written about - over the last 22 years or something along those lines, the Browns are way, way worse than random chance would predict. indeed, even sports books, experts in stats and probability, overrate the Browns chances in their numbers. they are extremely bad in a way that defies probability. they should have accidentally been good by now at some point. considering NFL is deliberately set up for parity whereas MLB is not, it defies all odds. Browns management is aggressively bad. Robert Conquest's laws apply.

    there was a time for several years where the Browns pretty much never made their line or over under sports betting numbers, whereas the Patriots were almost always over their numbers, even given the generous odds offered by books. the Browns always lost by more than the line and the Patriots always won by more. this went on for seasons and i have to assume astute bettors made bank on this when books blithely failed to correct it.

    Replies: @Feryl, @Brutusale

    Have the browns been an unusually black team since they were “reborn” in the late 90’s? Asking for a friend.

  83. @HammerJack

    Adam Driver (whom I really like — he’s an Indiana kid who enlisted in the Marines after 9/11 and he straddles the border between homely and magnificent)
     
    Right, but you're also hot for this chick. Your aesthetic sense may need recalibration. That guy looks like the hind end of a farm animal.


    https://i.ibb.co/4TxDM27/U8-VLg-q-R4e-1.jpg

    Is it because she's a billionaire, sort of? You figure she's a soft touch and you can hit her up? You must have some crazy expenses you're not telling us about.

    Replies: @SFG, @Anonymous, @Alfa158, @JimDandy, @BB753, @Anonymous, @tyrone, @Reg Cæsar, @R.G. Camara, @kaganovitch, @The Alarmist, @Inquiring Mind, @XBardon Kaldlan

    Right, but you’re also hot for this chick

    …… well…..look at her knees …..kinda red don’t you think ……..do I need to spell it out.

  84. @Steve Sailer
    @Danindc

    The pretty good movie "Juno" was sort of a tribute to Liz Phair.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The author, “Diablo Cody”, is the literary equivalent of Liz Phair. Both are moderately rebellious girls from the Chicago suburbs. Both later married and settled down, more or less. Liz has one child who turns 25 this month, and Diablo three, the youngest going on five.

    I bet I was the first iStever to have encountered Diablo’s work. She attended a show in Minneapolis by the Chocolate Factory, a touring troupe of black male strippers, and wrote it up in the City Pages. I assumed she was also black, but that turned out not to be the case. She blogged about stripping herself. She was alone among her colleagues in not taking the job out of need, but curiosity. She had a college degree, caring (if unaware) parents, and no substance issues.

    She discusses affordable family formation here:

    More important, Cody thinks, is to represent the experience so many new mothers have of feeling completely overwhelmed — and, often, unable to articulate that they’re in the surreal depths of postpartum depression.

    “When you’re in it, it’s impossible to see the end of it,” she says. “It feels permanent.” For Marlo, salvation comes in the form of the enigmatic and vaguely mystical Tully, who enables her to get a good night’s sleep and begin to feel like herself again.

    In the real world, this is a solution only available to those who can afford to throw money at this problem — a tale of two parenthoods starkly outlined in the film.

    “Marlo’s brother is rich, and everything at their house is hunky-dory,” Cody says. “If they have a dinner party, they can just send their kids into another room with a nanny.”

    Cody has seen this firsthand living among the well-to-do in LA.

    “There are a lot of very happy mothers here, because they’re very well rested,” she says. “They have a lot of help. And it’s very easy to say, ‘Oh, I’m gonna have a fourth child,’ when you’re not struggling financially. When you can leave anytime to go to SoulCycle. That’s very different than the experience I witnessed growing up in Illinois, around working-class people, when you have two working parents and it’s tough to make ends meet.”

    https://nypost.com/2018/05/03/diablo-codys-kids-have-no-idea-shes-famous/

  85. @MEH 0910
    @Pixo

    https://twitter.com/Steve_Sailer/status/1598134866213642241
    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/30/science/ashkenazi-jews-genetic-history.html
    https://archive.ph/ZlEGL

    https://twitter.com/NYTScience/status/1598128621335375878

    Replies: @Pixo

    Thanks for the paywall bypass link!

    This surprised me:

    “ Scientists had previously calculated that the bottleneck event of the Ashkenazi Jewish population occurred roughly 600 to 800 years ago. “

    WTF? 1222 – 1422 makes no sense whatsoever as the AJ population bottleneck, they were all over the place by then.

    A founder population bottleneck circa 700-900AD makes a lot more sense.

  86. @Hodag
    1. I also, at length and very out loud, was a Ryan Leaf proponent. It cured me from any draft prognostication.

    2. I like Heathers a lot because Winona Ryder is/was hot and my favorite band, The Replacements, was occultly mentioned in a series of Easter eggs in the movie.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Renard, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @Dave Pinsen, @Curle

    Heathers was way ahead of its time in mocking pro-gay virtue signaling.

    • LOL: duncsbaby
    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Dave Pinsen

    But today, gays are the establishment, so they don’t get the joke. https://youtu.be/eKt795bW0PU

  87. @DCThrowback
    @JimDandy

    He was by far the best and most compelling character in Girls.

    In fact, the meta joke w/ Girls (to me) was that the male characters were infinitely more interesting than the 4 main female characters (except the episode where Alison Williams decided to get *almost* naked).

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @JimDandy

    Agreed. And Steve might be getting a lot of mockery on this, but women (even the shiksas) seem to find him super sexy. Maybe because he’s a mashup of Gaston & The Beast.

    • Replies: @Inverness
    @JimDandy

    There's very little overlap between the men women find attractive and the men other men find worthy.

    Exhibits A & B: women love Matthew McConnaughey and Hugh Grant.

  88. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Nancy Dowd is like Leigh Brackett. People who don't know are always shocked to find out Slapshot is written by a woman, and Brackett came up with some of the best set pieces in Empire Strikes Back.

    Roger Ebert famously panned Slapshot when it came out, probably out of feigned outrage on behalf of progressive feminists. He later realized it's a masterpiece.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHMi-j7W2gM

    Replies: @Lurker, @BosTex, @Ron Mexico, @p38ace

    Thanks for posting this. Has been years since I have watched Slap Shot, so will watch again tonight.

    Had Lindsay Crouse in it.

    Man, she was a nice looking woman:

    • Agree: Russ
  89. @hhsiii
    @JimDandy

    I thought he did a good job in the Baumbach movie about the failed marriage to ScaJo. Especially his "impromptu" version of Being Alive. Also good in Frances Ha and Inside Llewyn Davis. And that Star Wars thing. And BlacKKlansman.

    Then again, I like Heathers and Friday Night Lights.

    Replies: @JimDandy

    He played an uber-Jew in all of those movies. Except, perhaps, the one about spacemen.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @JimDandy

    He played a megalomaniac with mommie issues and a fetish for dominant women issues, with some boilerplate neuroticism thrown in. His character may as well have been named Darth Freud.

    , @hhsiii
    @JimDandy

    I doubt he was supposed to be Jewish in Inside Llewyn Davis. Al Cody was his character. Although you may just be referring to type and not the actual religion of the character. Although that’s getting a bit meta, I guess. And he was being directed by Jewish men in a couple of those. Not sure about the Spike Lee movie.

    Ok damn, you may be into something. His name is Zimmerman in Klansman and Shapiro in Frances Ha. But he’s Charlie Barber in Frances Ha.

    Replies: @hhsiii

  90. @Dave Pinsen
    @Hodag

    Heathers was way ahead of its time in mocking pro-gay virtue signaling.

    https://youtu.be/NMroWnWIqs0

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    But today, gays are the establishment, so they don’t get the joke.

  91. @ginger bread man
    World war comedy is underway

    Deeply Jewish comedy is having a moment, even as antisemitism rocks pop culture

    BY JACKIE HAJDENBERG
    NOVEMBER 29, 2022

    https://www.jta.org/2022/11/29/culture/deeply-jewish-comedy-is-having-a-moment-even-as-antisemitism-rocks-pop-culture

    “I find it ironic that at a time where more Jewish comedians feel comfortable expressing their Judaism (i.e. wearing a yarmulke, making Jewish-oriented content) and not hiding it (by changing their name for example), we also see an up-swelling of outright antisemitism,” said Jacob Scheer, a New York-based comedian. “I don’t think — and hope — those two things are not related, but I find it really interesting and sad.”

    ADVERTISEMENT

    The two phenomena could be related. Antisemitic incidents nationwide reached an all-time high in 2021, with a total of 2,717 incidents, according to an April 2022 audit from the Anti-Defamation League. Those incidents range from vandalism of buildings to harassment and assault against individuals
     
    .

    Replies: @Chris Mallory, @HammerJack

    Jewish comedians feel comfortable expressing their Judaism

    Wait, there are Jewish comedians who don’t beat us over the head with their Jewishness?

    • Agree: HammerJack
  92. @LondonBob
    Can't imagine Costner having given a wooden performance. Dances with Wolves aged terribly, probably wasn't very good to begin with and was only given an Oscar for political reasons, pure propaganda. Still Costner did once date Elle Macpherson...

    Replies: @BosTex, @ScarletNumber, @Mike Tre, @Anonymous

    Costner’a not much of an actor: he doesn’t turn into anyone. He is just himself in every role.

    However, he has made some very entertaining movies:

    -Bull Durham is always fun to watch. That’s actually a very good sports movie.

    -The Untouchables is pretty good as well (though I think Sean Connery really is the heart and soul of the movie, not Costner).

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @BosTex


    Bull Durham
     
    Costner was fantastic in it. The whole “his arm” speech was excellent. Susan Sarandon almost ruined the movie with overacting.

    My favorite Costner film of all time is probably “No Way Out.”

    Replies: @BosTex, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    , @Feryl
    @BosTex

    On the plus side, Costner does represent dignified stoic masculinity even though his career took off in an era when such a thing has become increasingly unfashionable. And yes, Costner is a classic example of an actor being himself in every role but he largely knows what he's doing and doesn't stray too far outside his range. In his interviews he's very likeable and good natured. Whereas a lot of male actors who's careers took off after circa-1970 seem grumpy or narcissistic.

    , @Ron Mexico
    @BosTex

    Those two movies and "Open Range." "Field of Dreams," too.

  93. @Danindc
    @Steve Sailer

    Can you expand on this. I met Liz Phair when I won a trivia contest on WHFS almost 30 years ago. She was my dream girl. I brought her a Hersheys w almond as a sort of joke and she loved it. Didn’t she marry and have kids with a cool white guy?

    The trivia question was what movie was referenced in the liner notes of her blockbuster album Exile in Guyville.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Gary in Gramercy

    I met Liz Phair when I won a trivia contest on WHFS almost 30 years ago. She was my dream girl.

    Maybe she had some in-person magnetism, but her music (lyrics and sound) and performance persona is cringe. Any guy praising her as an artist is doing it for silly simp reasons: She’s hot and she’s raunchy and she plays guitar! Whoa!

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-decline-of-capitalization/#comment-5351988 (#7)

    Do guys who aren’t really into (new/good) music who go gaga for Lana Del Rey, Emily Haines (Metric), Grimes, and going back a bit, Liz Phair (zing!) appreciate more the actual music, or more the image and attitude of said dames? I think it’s the latter …

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Liz Phair had one really catchy song, IMO (“Why Can’t I “).

    https://youtu.be/qUALb0sGdto

    Lana Del Rey has a lot of good songs, and created a cool, Americana aesthetic. Not the greatest live performer though.

    Metric has dozens of good songs, and Emily Haines is a phenomenal live performer.

    https://youtu.be/dbURDnqG16k

    , @Inverness
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Guys are known for thinking with their dicks.

    , @Whereismyhandle
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Grimes is clearly brilliant and important. Musical genius nerd Billy Corgan compared her impact to generational talents like Bob Marley and Kurt Cobain.

    Lana del Rey is very good but for women especially she's an incredibly influential artist

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    , @Danindc
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    You’re making 18 year old me feel
    Like a real jerk.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    , @Hodag
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    For whatever reason there is a Liz Phair billboard at Belmont and Ashland right now. They are advertising something. I can't remember what.

    I did buy her record and used to see her around town back when I used to go around town. Never really thought she was all that hot but she was pretty in a rich girl slumming way (which I loved back then, just not her).

  94. @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @Hodag


    1. I also, at length and very out loud, was a Ryan Leaf proponent. It cured me from any draft prognostication.
     
    At the time it was proposed that Leaf was a better pick than Manning because he "had a higher ceiling." Obviously in retrospect he had the much lower floor.

    Sometimes I think you have to understand that in a world of 24/7 sports Media, they too need something to talk about incessantly. So they're going to feed the drama about which would be the better quarterback.

    Replies: @Feryl, @megabar

    > Sometimes I think you have to understand that in a world of 24/7 sports Media, they too need something to talk about incessantly.

    The most accurate sports talk would be “I think team X has roughly a 60% chance of winning, and my observations are about 55% accurate.”

  95. @Anonymous
    @Dave Pinsen

    Friday Night Lights. Sounds like whites cheering for blacks movie. Cuck stuff.

    Heathers. Christian Slater, troublemaker as in Pump Up the Volume later.

    People might see Heathers differently today. Back when it came out, it was about the popular 'normal' kids vs the weirdo. But with the new normal, the 'popular' people today are into weirdo globo-homo, tranny nonsense, and BLM. And it's the 'conservative' who is the oddball outcast, or the unspoken id of occam's razor.

    Many on the right today are more likely to identify with Slater(or even the Joker).

    Replies: @Franz

    Friday Night Lights. Sounds like whites cheering for blacks movie. Cuck stuff.

    Anyone know there actually IS a movie named “Cuck”? I found it by accident but it was like someone was reading various sites, maybe even this one, and decided to make a Big Statement Movie. It came out (had a showing in Cleveland) in 2019. Then pfffft. According to wiki it is not divulging how much money it made, which probably means it’s underwater.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuck_(film)

  96. @Hodag
    1. I also, at length and very out loud, was a Ryan Leaf proponent. It cured me from any draft prognostication.

    2. I like Heathers a lot because Winona Ryder is/was hot and my favorite band, The Replacements, was occultly mentioned in a series of Easter eggs in the movie.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Renard, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @Dave Pinsen, @Curle

    “and my favorite band, The Replacements, was occultly mentioned in a series of Easter eggs in the movie.”

    Which is one step removed from the way Alex Chilton was mentioned by The Replacements. And Alex is uber good.

  97. Big Carax fan here. His work, however, is best categorized as fantastique, the Frenchiest of genres, which encompasses surreal fantasy, sci-fi, and horror. (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantastique).

    I enjoyed Annette and thought it was pretty ballsy for an Amazon release—dig its comic treatment of #MeToo.

    Also, did anyone else catch the veiled references to Wyndham Lewis (“The Ape of God”) and Houellebecq’s “femicide” joke from Submission?

    Steve,

    Have you seen Merde?

  98. @BB753
    @HammerJack

    Who's this homely woman? Judging from the bruises on her knees, I get a clue why she might be popular with some men.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @HammerJack

  99. @BB753
    @HammerJack

    Who's this homely woman? Judging from the bruises on her knees, I get a clue why she might be popular with some men.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @HammerJack

    Found the original now. Quite a number of guys here like her! Oh well.. She must have something going for her, but it sure ain’t looks.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/caroline-ellisons-tumblr/

    • Replies: @SFG
    @HammerJack

    That's the point, though. The problem nerd guys have (and this would probably include Steve, for all the ways he transcends the stereotype--come on, who has a favorite scientific paper?) is that we spend a lot of our time in our heads, and with the modern companionate idea of marriage, you're expected to share interests with your wife. But there just aren't that many women with those interests, and the ones there are tend to lean left.

    The situation goes back as far as Abelard and Heloise (and remember what happened to him?), and the Merlin and Nimue legend may allude to it, but it was much more expected before the rise of feminism that men would socialize with other men who shared their interests. But that's off-limits and sexist now.

    So a libertarian-leaning nerd chick can write her own ticket. (The conservative ones just get married off.) Besides, she's apparently an HBD-interested nerd chick, which is even rarer.

    It's not impossible--Milton and Rose Friedman apparently happily studied economics together, Patricia and Paul Churchland worked together on neurophilosophy, and I don't know what Geoffrey Miller and Diana Fleischman are doing with their weird poly stuff but they're together for the moment--but the odds are against it.

    As for the bruised knees--well, she probably was smart enough to use what she had to her advantage.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Inverness

    , @BB753
    @HammerJack

    I see! I know who she is! She's part of what Charlie Robinson dubs "The Crypto Manson Family". A seriously disturbed and polyamorous chick of the FTX crew.

    https://rokfin.com/post/109980

    https://rokfin.com/post/110100

    https://rokfin.com/post/109818

    ( I'm posting three links because I don't know which one(s) non- members can access).

  100. XBardon Kaldlan [AKA "Bardon Kaldlan"] says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    "So, in other words, Lenny Bruce."

    Right, Bruce was painfully unfunny in the liberated 1960s.

    Replies: @XBardon Kaldlan, @Legba

    As a yute,I listened to a weird over nite radio show on my trusty FM radio around 1970. Hosted by a great Chicago personality named Wayne Julen.
    He played a lot of Bruce bits and I was fascinated.
    Bruce,a WW2 vet who claimed he got out of the Navy by pretending to be a “fag”,😉was a man of the 50s; by the time the 60s began to happen,he was through.
    I didn’t find him very funny because,for one,I didn’t get many of his references.
    Sophie Tucker? Charles Laughton?
    But the audiences on his records were screaming. I just found him weird and amazing. An astonishing little man,who created bizarre worlds,like that of Father Flotsky the Jewish priest.It was a world that operated at nite,with jazz,drugs and hot willing chicks.
    I am a goyim,but one of those who finds Jewish ” shtick” to be often irrestible.
    I have a little more understanding of him today,obviously. But when I was a teenage shmuck I loved him.
    Hope I didn’t bore you too much,ya muffdiver!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @XBardon Kaldlan


    I am a goyim
     
    No such thing as "a" goyim. This is not like "elohim" well documented as a plural form of a singular noun, like "panties". Buy a dictionary and USE it.

    @Twinkie:

    More often than not, you have to have day jobs or other businesses that underwrite the maintenance of the farms and ranches.
     
    That's called "paying someone else to do the work" just like the boss at your day job is doing. Sounds like your farm or ranch (two very different animals) is operating at a loss and is therefore a hobby.
    All overalls, no corn.

    Similarly I had to take a day job when I wanted to hire a maid.

    In other news, re: Girls Lena Dunham can suck it. One of the most disagreeable people on the planet.

    @R.G. Camara:

    It’s probably a lot like Ghislaine Maxwell (what a retarded first name) and Jeffrey Epstein. Ghislaine was of course good looking (unlike this broad), but her obvious daddy issues and Epstein’s Hannibal Lecter-meets-a-porn-producer charm made her putty in Epstein’s hands, willing to kidnap teenage girls to be his sex slaves and pimp them out to other men and women at Jeffrey’s command.
     
    It's a standard issue French name. Get over yourself. With that done, name one girl she kidnapped. Just one. Can't, can you? More likely she was his M0ssad handler. Do the "Who's still alive?" math after Epstein got his Tel Aviv Shoeshine.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Curle, @Twinkie

  101. @ginger bread man
    World war comedy is underway

    Deeply Jewish comedy is having a moment, even as antisemitism rocks pop culture

    BY JACKIE HAJDENBERG
    NOVEMBER 29, 2022

    https://www.jta.org/2022/11/29/culture/deeply-jewish-comedy-is-having-a-moment-even-as-antisemitism-rocks-pop-culture

    “I find it ironic that at a time where more Jewish comedians feel comfortable expressing their Judaism (i.e. wearing a yarmulke, making Jewish-oriented content) and not hiding it (by changing their name for example), we also see an up-swelling of outright antisemitism,” said Jacob Scheer, a New York-based comedian. “I don’t think — and hope — those two things are not related, but I find it really interesting and sad.”

    ADVERTISEMENT

    The two phenomena could be related. Antisemitic incidents nationwide reached an all-time high in 2021, with a total of 2,717 incidents, according to an April 2022 audit from the Anti-Defamation League. Those incidents range from vandalism of buildings to harassment and assault against individuals
     
    .

    Replies: @Chris Mallory, @HammerJack

    Always worth remembering, the ADL counts as genuine hate hoaxes perpetrated by jews upon jewish targets “to raise awareness” etc.

  102. @Greta Handel
    @Dumbo

    And patronizing Hollywood, TV, Sportsball, and other mass media isn’t merely a waste. Spending time and dime on this fluff endorses and sustains the degradation and dumbing down of our country — and you.

    Of course, many people here think they’re smart enough to nibble around the garbage in the trough. But I would guess they're still much more likely to have (i) rolled up their sleeves for Big Pharma and (ii) rooted for Raytheon in Iraq, Afghanistan, Venezuela, Ukraine, ad nauseum.

    Boycott the Establishment’s propaganda.

    Replies: @SFG, @Corvinus

    Perhaps most importantly, boycotts diminish their money and power.

    If they have a hard time making money off a movie without at least one positive white male character…well, some of them will cave.

  103. @Russ
    This OCEAN is new to me, so I have difficulty relating to the study involving it. Had the study been based on that I/E S/N T/F J/P psychology categorization, I'd have been better able to relate (but just a little). So life goes.

    Replies: @SFG

    They map pretty well actually.

    E/I= high and low extroversion (duh).
    N/S = high and low Openness
    F/T = high and low Agreeableness
    J/P = high and low Conscientiousness

    Nothing maps to Neuroticism because, well, Myers Briggs is sunshine and rainbows.

    • Thanks: Russ
  104. @Renard
    @Hodag

    Did you see Miss Ryder in Turks and Caicos? She's a revelation.

    And is your favorite Replacements song "I Will Dare"?

    Replies: @Hodag, @JimDandy, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Gary in Gramercy, @Rouetheday, @Curle

    Tommy Gets His Tonsils Out, b/w “I.O.U.”

  105. @anonymous
    @Buzz Mohawk

    She might be the most ridiculous and poorly written character on television.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    She might be the most ridiculous and poorly written character on television.

    My kind of girl.

    All seriousness aside, the whole show is over the top. Melancholy to the max every episode, it is unreal, but that is entertainment. I call it my soap opera. It takes place in a Mountain West setting that looks very much like the place where I came of age and feel bonded to. My home town.

    And I get a kick out of Beth’s character and the way she says and does things without censoring herself — and gets away with it.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Buzz Mohawk


    My kind of girl.
     
    I like her character a lot too. But, in real life, women like that are trainwrecks. You wouldn't want Beth in your life.

    I call it my soap opera.
     
    Yup. That's why I called it my wife's and my "guilty pleasure."

    We own farms in both Appalachia and the Midwest. We are also quite familiar with real ranching via her kin. Ranching (and farming for that matter) is not romantic or glamorous like on TV - it's a lot of dirty, grimy work, frequently dealing with shifty characters (I'm looking at you, seed dealers, auctioneers, and meat processors), lots of variables that are totally not under your control (like weather), with very little pecuniary rewards. More often than not, you have to have day jobs or other businesses that underwrite the maintenance of the farms and ranches.

    But for the strong attachment people have to the land they inherited, it can be pretty shitty overall.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

  106. @SunBakedSuburb
    @Tono-Bungay

    "I repeat my question: Why is Steve Sailer absent from TAki's yesterday? [two sics?]"

    Now that the talented but completely vile Bryan Singer is off the Logan's Run reboot, Steve has been brought in to reimagine the project. First change is a doozy: the death ritual at Carousel will not be determined by age and applicable to both genders. Steve's Carousel completely eschews the Last Day concept and limits the test to men: Upon putting on the white ritual robe with the boss fiery flame embroidering the man has to achieve a boner during his lift into the air or he will be fried by the lasers. Second change is a clever marketing ploy mimicking the tag line from the recent and fantastic Dune film -- "The Spice is life." In Steve's Logan's Run "The Boner is life." Which makes a lot more sense biologically because without boners there is no human life. Although reimagineer Steve faces a disposal problem: no death ritual for the ladies means the Dome City will be crowded with shrieky menopause recipients and their barking dog companions.

    In answer to your repeated question: Steve has been busy with the boners.

    Replies: @SFG

    Oh, come on. It’s modern Hollywood. The penis is evil!

    (Long as we’re talking cheesy Seventies movies…)

  107. Meanwhile Chicago Politicians continue the vital work of ensuring that Sailer never runs out of topics.

    One hundred motor vehicle thefts a day.

    That’s the recent daily count in Chicago in October as motor vehicle thefts spiked dramatically in the last three months. Compare that to the first half of the year when Chicago was averaging “just” 35 thefts a day.

    It’s just one part of the Great Unraveling of Chicago’s justice system that stems from emboldened criminals, a demoralized police force and a leadership class obsessed with soft-on-crime legislation like the SAFE-T Act.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/100-day-chicago-vehicle-thefts-explodes-safe-t-act-changes-debated

    I’m sure they’ll accept donations from Steve to their re-election funds.

  108. @Buzz Mohawk
    @anonymous


    She might be the most ridiculous and poorly written character on television.

     

    My kind of girl.

    All seriousness aside, the whole show is over the top. Melancholy to the max every episode, it is unreal, but that is entertainment. I call it my soap opera. It takes place in a Mountain West setting that looks very much like the place where I came of age and feel bonded to. My home town.

    And I get a kick out of Beth's character and the way she says and does things without censoring herself -- and gets away with it.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    My kind of girl.

    I like her character a lot too. But, in real life, women like that are trainwrecks. You wouldn’t want Beth in your life.

    I call it my soap opera.

    Yup. That’s why I called it my wife’s and my “guilty pleasure.”

    We own farms in both Appalachia and the Midwest. We are also quite familiar with real ranching via her kin. Ranching (and farming for that matter) is not romantic or glamorous like on TV – it’s a lot of dirty, grimy work, frequently dealing with shifty characters (I’m looking at you, seed dealers, auctioneers, and meat processors), lots of variables that are totally not under your control (like weather), with very little pecuniary rewards. More often than not, you have to have day jobs or other businesses that underwrite the maintenance of the farms and ranches.

    But for the strong attachment people have to the land they inherited, it can be pretty shitty overall.

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke, ic1000
    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Twinkie

    Yes.

    The show gets into some of that grit, and it certainly worships the cowboy work with its wonderful cinematography. It is a bit surprising how well it balances that heritage with the woke stuff and Indian stuff. Surprising in our time that it tries at all without simply demonizing the Duttons and all the other core, White Americans in Montana.

    All-in-all, it seems rather fair -- while very often presenting simple, cartoon-like images of every representative of every cohort in that menagerie.

    Thank you for sharing your situation re farming and ranching. That is very relevant, and I deeply respect it. I have been close friends with farmers for the past 42 years now, and, of course you know, I grew up mostly around old ranches in Colorado. My parents built our house on land that had been part of a ranch, and part of that family was still there. I buried my father's ashes 10 yards away from the grave of the last settler of that valley -- who was still alive and living in a log house when we arrived in 1972.

    This is the view of our valley from the mountain in front of our house:


    https://www.schnizer.com/SOTAblog/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Berrian-View-NW.jpg

    I first climbed here when I was 13 with two friends during summer after we finished 7th grade. We slept there, and I returned many times over the years until I sold the house in the valley below.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  109. @Renard
    @Hodag

    Did you see Miss Ryder in Turks and Caicos? She's a revelation.

    And is your favorite Replacements song "I Will Dare"?

    Replies: @Hodag, @JimDandy, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Gary in Gramercy, @Rouetheday, @Curle

    1. “Left of the Dial;
    2. Color Me Impressed;
    3. Bastards of Young;
    4. I Will Dare;
    5. Shiftless When Idle.”

    Honorable mention: “Kids Don’t Follow,” “Johnny’s Gonna Die.”

    (You can’t have only one favorite ‘Mats song. You just can’t.)

    Best ‘Mats cover of another band:
    Three-way tie among “Temptation Eyes” (the Grass Roots), “20th Century Boy” (T. Rex) and “Another Girl, Another Planet” (the Only Ones).

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Gary in Gramercy

    "(You can’t have only one favorite ‘Mats song. You just can’t.)"

    In this spirit, my actual favorite Mats song is/was their blistering live cover of "Gimme Shelter" (much much better than the Stones, natch) at the Beacon Theater, NYC circa 1987.

    True story: at that concert I had a paperback copy of Dostoievski's "The Idiot" in my back pocket, which I lost due to all the jumping around.

    The next afternoon, I went by the Beacon box office and asked, "I lost a copy of The Idiot here last night. Did anybody find one?"

    The lost and found guy went to check, came back and said, "Take your pick."

    There were nine.

    Replies: @Rouetheday

    , @Rouetheday
    @Gary in Gramercy

    When I saw the 'Mats in Charlotte in '89 they covered the Georgia Satellites "Keep Your Hands To Yourself"- with the assistance of that band's front man Dan Baird who bounded on to the stage from the audience as if it was all some spontaneous occurrence.

  110. @Brutusale
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Semi Tough wasn't even the best movie made from a Dan Jenkins novel. An incredibly disappointing film, the screen adaptation had little to do with the novel. There's a (((reason))) for that.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    OK, I’ll revise: “Semi-Tough” is the best sports movie for people like me who don’t like sports.

    Does “Black Swan” count as a sports movie? Is ballet a sport? It’s certainly more physically demanding than football. And you can’t object that you can’t call it a sport because there’s no competitive aspect. Trust me, backstage there is more competition than five Super Bowls combined.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Slap Shot

  111. OT:

    Gavin Newsom’s reparations committee will recommend handing out $223,200 per person to all descendants of slaves in California for ‘housing discrimination’ at a cost of $559BN – in nation’s biggest restitution effort ever.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11491263/California-reparations-committee-recommend-handing-223-200-descendant-slaves.html

    In unrelated news, BMW stock soared today. Financial analysts are unable to explain the reason.

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Jack D

    You mean OJ and his four kids will be getting over a million dollars from taxpayers? Oh, wait... this is meant for specific families who were screwed over by the progressives of a century ago. Only fitting that the progressives of today are to be taxed to pay for it. Still, how many can prove they qualify?

    Also, the Daily Mail says all "descendants of slaves". Shouldn't it be just the descendants of affected property owners? And if one family has twice as many as another, wouldn't they be entitled to only half as much per capita?

    In happier news, the young royals understand the concept of setting an example:

    Prince William Duke Prince & Kate Middleton Duchess of Cambridge Princess of Wales Are Reportedly ‘Going with the Flow’ for Baby #4

    , @Pixo
    @Jack D

    This sounds silly but isn’t terribly different than the anti-white racist system in Hawaii.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna21383435

  112. @Danindc
    @Steve Sailer

    Can you expand on this. I met Liz Phair when I won a trivia contest on WHFS almost 30 years ago. She was my dream girl. I brought her a Hersheys w almond as a sort of joke and she loved it. Didn’t she marry and have kids with a cool white guy?

    The trivia question was what movie was referenced in the liner notes of her blockbuster album Exile in Guyville.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Gary in Gramercy

    Dirty Harry.

  113. @pyrrhus
    @Twinkie

    Yellowstone has gotten really good, and Costner has really gotten into his role as patriarch, while the Crown hasn't matched its explosive 1st season, but still has some good episodes...

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    I can trace the moment we fell for Yellowstone to the time when my wife noticed that Costner’s character drinks his whiskey from the same glasses I do: Ralph Lauren glen plaid crystal. The exact same, and we have never seen them anywhere else.

    Add that to his character’s outlook, which we share, and we were hooked. BTW we find that outlook nicely symbolic of what we feel as Americans in a big, beautiful country under invasion. This despite Coster’s long-proven AmerIndian’o’Philic tendencies, which are carried forward here from Dances with Wolves.

    Side note: When I first met my wife’s brother in Romania, he asked me which Indian tribes had lived in my home state of Colorado. He then explained that he loved Costner’s movie.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Costner seems to be trying to single-handedly revive the old male movie star trope of turning to Westerns in middle age in order to maintain status.

    Most middle aged male movie stars these days do the whole "old man kicking ass" action stuff like Liam Neeson (Taken), Keeanu Reeves (John Wick), Denzel Washington (Man on Fire), and Bruce Willis (before his retirement due to aphasia this year, he was always doing old man action (Red, the Death Wish remake). Charles Bronson really is the guy who made this genre a thing (Death Wish), although obviously there were always examples before that.

    Even Costner does old man kicking ass movies ( the hilariously awful but thoroughly watchable 3 Days to Kill). But really, Costner has gone to Westerns in his middle age, which was the old male movie star direction. Jimmy Stewart, Clark Gable, Randolph Scott, John Wayne, etc... all did Westerns, and got revivals in fame and box office power in middle aged westerns rather than as young western stars.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Buzz Mohawk, @Brutusale, @Jim Don Bob

  114. @Gary in Gramercy
    @Renard

    1. "Left of the Dial;
    2. Color Me Impressed;
    3. Bastards of Young;
    4. I Will Dare;
    5. Shiftless When Idle."

    Honorable mention: "Kids Don't Follow," "Johnny's Gonna Die."

    (You can't have only one favorite 'Mats song. You just can't.)

    Best 'Mats cover of another band:
    Three-way tie among "Temptation Eyes" (the Grass Roots), "20th Century Boy" (T. Rex) and "Another Girl, Another Planet" (the Only Ones).

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Rouetheday

    “(You can’t have only one favorite ‘Mats song. You just can’t.)”

    In this spirit, my actual favorite Mats song is/was their blistering live cover of “Gimme Shelter” (much much better than the Stones, natch) at the Beacon Theater, NYC circa 1987.

    True story: at that concert I had a paperback copy of Dostoievski’s “The Idiot” in my back pocket, which I lost due to all the jumping around.

    The next afternoon, I went by the Beacon box office and asked, “I lost a copy of The Idiot here last night. Did anybody find one?”

    The lost and found guy went to check, came back and said, “Take your pick.”

    There were nine.

    • Replies: @Rouetheday
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    I saw the 'Mats November '87 show at the Beacon (they had a concert in the spring of that year which may have been the one you attended). My main memory was of Paul suddenly stopping in the middle of "Can't Hardly Wait" saying they couldn't play the rest without the horns. Oh, and IIRC I had recently finished "Notes From the Underground" around that time.

  115. @HammerJack
    @BB753

    Found the original now. Quite a number of guys here like her! Oh well.. She must have something going for her, but it sure ain't looks.


    https://www.unz.com/isteve/caroline-ellisons-tumblr/

    Replies: @SFG, @BB753

    That’s the point, though. The problem nerd guys have (and this would probably include Steve, for all the ways he transcends the stereotype–come on, who has a favorite scientific paper?) is that we spend a lot of our time in our heads, and with the modern companionate idea of marriage, you’re expected to share interests with your wife. But there just aren’t that many women with those interests, and the ones there are tend to lean left.

    The situation goes back as far as Abelard and Heloise (and remember what happened to him?), and the Merlin and Nimue legend may allude to it, but it was much more expected before the rise of feminism that men would socialize with other men who shared their interests. But that’s off-limits and sexist now.

    So a libertarian-leaning nerd chick can write her own ticket. (The conservative ones just get married off.) Besides, she’s apparently an HBD-interested nerd chick, which is even rarer.

    It’s not impossible–Milton and Rose Friedman apparently happily studied economics together, Patricia and Paul Churchland worked together on neurophilosophy, and I don’t know what Geoffrey Miller and Diana Fleischman are doing with their weird poly stuff but they’re together for the moment–but the odds are against it.

    As for the bruised knees–well, she probably was smart enough to use what she had to her advantage.

    • LOL: BB753
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @SFG


    It’s not impossible–Milton and Rose Friedman apparently happily studied economics together, Patricia and Paul Churchland worked together on neurophilosophy...
     
    Will and Ariel Durant. The Curies.
    , @Inverness
    @SFG

    Marge, trying to drop the hint about John Waters: "He prefers the company of other men!"

    Homer, not getting the hint of course: "Well who doesn't?!"


    The remaining Gentlemen's Clubs in St.James's and Pall Mall are either now open to women and/or living on borrowed time. More's the pity.

  116. @obwandiyag
    "who Ryan Leaf was"

    Jesus Christ. Just never use "whom" if you don't know how to use it. Then you won't sound quite so stupid.

    Replies: @HFR, @Right_On

    As far as I’m concerned, ‘whom’ is a word that was invented to make everyone sound like a butler. – Calvin Trillin

  117. “Fuck me gently with a chainsaw. Do I look like Mother Theresa?”

    You gotta love “Heathers”.

  118. @Twinkie
    @Buzz Mohawk


    My kind of girl.
     
    I like her character a lot too. But, in real life, women like that are trainwrecks. You wouldn't want Beth in your life.

    I call it my soap opera.
     
    Yup. That's why I called it my wife's and my "guilty pleasure."

    We own farms in both Appalachia and the Midwest. We are also quite familiar with real ranching via her kin. Ranching (and farming for that matter) is not romantic or glamorous like on TV - it's a lot of dirty, grimy work, frequently dealing with shifty characters (I'm looking at you, seed dealers, auctioneers, and meat processors), lots of variables that are totally not under your control (like weather), with very little pecuniary rewards. More often than not, you have to have day jobs or other businesses that underwrite the maintenance of the farms and ranches.

    But for the strong attachment people have to the land they inherited, it can be pretty shitty overall.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    Yes.

    The show gets into some of that grit, and it certainly worships the cowboy work with its wonderful cinematography. It is a bit surprising how well it balances that heritage with the woke stuff and Indian stuff. Surprising in our time that it tries at all without simply demonizing the Duttons and all the other core, White Americans in Montana.

    All-in-all, it seems rather fair — while very often presenting simple, cartoon-like images of every representative of every cohort in that menagerie.

    Thank you for sharing your situation re farming and ranching. That is very relevant, and I deeply respect it. I have been close friends with farmers for the past 42 years now, and, of course you know, I grew up mostly around old ranches in Colorado. My parents built our house on land that had been part of a ranch, and part of that family was still there. I buried my father’s ashes 10 yards away from the grave of the last settler of that valley — who was still alive and living in a log house when we arrived in 1972.

    This is the view of our valley from the mountain in front of our house:

    I first climbed here when I was 13 with two friends during summer after we finished 7th grade. We slept there, and I returned many times over the years until I sold the house in the valley below.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Buzz Mohawk


    the woke stuff and Indian stuff
     
    The show tried that a bit in the first couple of seasons, but I feel like it retreated from that a bit since.

    Surprising in our time that it tries at all without simply demonizing the Duttons and all the other core, White Americans in Montana.
     
    Agree. One thing I don't get, though, is that Montana actually has a big extractive economy. The introductory sequence hints at some conflict involving that, but the show has nothing about it (yet). I haven't seen any of the new season, so perhaps that's in there, finally.

    Thanks for sharing that photo. If I had grown up somewhere like that, I'd never have left. Then again, if my old man lived there, I would have still. ;)
  119. @SFG
    @HammerJack

    That's the point, though. The problem nerd guys have (and this would probably include Steve, for all the ways he transcends the stereotype--come on, who has a favorite scientific paper?) is that we spend a lot of our time in our heads, and with the modern companionate idea of marriage, you're expected to share interests with your wife. But there just aren't that many women with those interests, and the ones there are tend to lean left.

    The situation goes back as far as Abelard and Heloise (and remember what happened to him?), and the Merlin and Nimue legend may allude to it, but it was much more expected before the rise of feminism that men would socialize with other men who shared their interests. But that's off-limits and sexist now.

    So a libertarian-leaning nerd chick can write her own ticket. (The conservative ones just get married off.) Besides, she's apparently an HBD-interested nerd chick, which is even rarer.

    It's not impossible--Milton and Rose Friedman apparently happily studied economics together, Patricia and Paul Churchland worked together on neurophilosophy, and I don't know what Geoffrey Miller and Diana Fleischman are doing with their weird poly stuff but they're together for the moment--but the odds are against it.

    As for the bruised knees--well, she probably was smart enough to use what she had to her advantage.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Inverness

    It’s not impossible–Milton and Rose Friedman apparently happily studied economics together, Patricia and Paul Churchland worked together on neurophilosophy…

    Will and Ariel Durant. The Curies.

  120. @HammerJack

    Adam Driver (whom I really like — he’s an Indiana kid who enlisted in the Marines after 9/11 and he straddles the border between homely and magnificent)
     
    Right, but you're also hot for this chick. Your aesthetic sense may need recalibration. That guy looks like the hind end of a farm animal.


    https://i.ibb.co/4TxDM27/U8-VLg-q-R4e-1.jpg

    Is it because she's a billionaire, sort of? You figure she's a soft touch and you can hit her up? You must have some crazy expenses you're not telling us about.

    Replies: @SFG, @Anonymous, @Alfa158, @JimDandy, @BB753, @Anonymous, @tyrone, @Reg Cæsar, @R.G. Camara, @kaganovitch, @The Alarmist, @Inquiring Mind, @XBardon Kaldlan

    She looks like she could be the sister of YouTube’s Half-Asleep Chris, who himself has a thing for tapirs. (An innocent thing– he’s had a steady girlfriend for several years now.)

  121. @JimDandy
    @hhsiii

    He played an uber-Jew in all of those movies. Except, perhaps, the one about spacemen.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @hhsiii

    He played a megalomaniac with mommie issues and a fetish for dominant women issues, with some boilerplate neuroticism thrown in. His character may as well have been named Darth Freud.

  122. The kind of guy whom Draft Day is aimed at knows exactly whom Ryan Leaf was.

    Whom, at the end of the day is Ryan Leaf?

    Reminds me of that great Whom song, Whom Are You.

    Fredo Sailer trying to show the world that “I’m smaht!”

    • Replies: @David In TN
    @Anonymous

    Going into the 1998 NFL Draft it became fashionable to sat Ryan Leaf had more physical talent and "upside" than Peyton Manning. Some of the "Draft experts" had talked themselves into believing Leaf would be a better pro QB than Manning.

    Peyton Manning, of course, went on to a long and productive career. Manning was as close to a sure thing as you could get.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Bill Jones
    @Anonymous

    Any usage that can distill Soviet Communism into two short words differing in only one letter is something to treasure not denigrate.

    Who, Whom.

  123. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Danindc


    I met Liz Phair when I won a trivia contest on WHFS almost 30 years ago. She was my dream girl.
     
    Maybe she had some in-person magnetism, but her music (lyrics and sound) and performance persona is cringe. Any guy praising her as an artist is doing it for silly simp reasons: She’s hot and she’s raunchy and she plays guitar! Whoa!

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-decline-of-capitalization/#comment-5351988 (#7)

    Do guys who aren’t really into (new/good) music who go gaga for Lana Del Rey, Emily Haines (Metric), Grimes, and going back a bit, Liz Phair (zing!) appreciate more the actual music, or more the image and attitude of said dames? I think it’s the latter ...
     

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Inverness, @Whereismyhandle, @Danindc, @Hodag

    Liz Phair had one really catchy song, IMO (“Why Can’t I “).

    Lana Del Rey has a lot of good songs, and created a cool, Americana aesthetic. Not the greatest live performer though.

    Metric has dozens of good songs, and Emily Haines is a phenomenal live performer.

  124. @LondonBob
    Can't imagine Costner having given a wooden performance. Dances with Wolves aged terribly, probably wasn't very good to begin with and was only given an Oscar for political reasons, pure propaganda. Still Costner did once date Elle Macpherson...

    Replies: @BosTex, @ScarletNumber, @Mike Tre, @Anonymous

    Dances with Wolves aged terribly, probably wasn’t very good to begin with and was only given an Oscar for political reasons, pure propaganda

    Goodfellas should have won, of course. Despite Scorsese directing, the Oscar itself would have gone to its producer, Irwin Winkler (who won for Rocky).

  125. @JimDandy
    @DCThrowback

    Agreed. And Steve might be getting a lot of mockery on this, but women (even the shiksas) seem to find him super sexy. Maybe because he's a mashup of Gaston & The Beast.

    Replies: @Inverness

    There’s very little overlap between the men women find attractive and the men other men find worthy.

    Exhibits A & B: women love Matthew McConnaughey and Hugh Grant.

    • Agree: Old Prude
  126. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Danindc


    I met Liz Phair when I won a trivia contest on WHFS almost 30 years ago. She was my dream girl.
     
    Maybe she had some in-person magnetism, but her music (lyrics and sound) and performance persona is cringe. Any guy praising her as an artist is doing it for silly simp reasons: She’s hot and she’s raunchy and she plays guitar! Whoa!

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-decline-of-capitalization/#comment-5351988 (#7)

    Do guys who aren’t really into (new/good) music who go gaga for Lana Del Rey, Emily Haines (Metric), Grimes, and going back a bit, Liz Phair (zing!) appreciate more the actual music, or more the image and attitude of said dames? I think it’s the latter ...
     

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Inverness, @Whereismyhandle, @Danindc, @Hodag

    Guys are known for thinking with their dicks.

  127. @SFG
    @HammerJack

    That's the point, though. The problem nerd guys have (and this would probably include Steve, for all the ways he transcends the stereotype--come on, who has a favorite scientific paper?) is that we spend a lot of our time in our heads, and with the modern companionate idea of marriage, you're expected to share interests with your wife. But there just aren't that many women with those interests, and the ones there are tend to lean left.

    The situation goes back as far as Abelard and Heloise (and remember what happened to him?), and the Merlin and Nimue legend may allude to it, but it was much more expected before the rise of feminism that men would socialize with other men who shared their interests. But that's off-limits and sexist now.

    So a libertarian-leaning nerd chick can write her own ticket. (The conservative ones just get married off.) Besides, she's apparently an HBD-interested nerd chick, which is even rarer.

    It's not impossible--Milton and Rose Friedman apparently happily studied economics together, Patricia and Paul Churchland worked together on neurophilosophy, and I don't know what Geoffrey Miller and Diana Fleischman are doing with their weird poly stuff but they're together for the moment--but the odds are against it.

    As for the bruised knees--well, she probably was smart enough to use what she had to her advantage.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Inverness

    Marge, trying to drop the hint about John Waters: “He prefers the company of other men!”

    Homer, not getting the hint of course: “Well who doesn’t?!”

    The remaining Gentlemen’s Clubs in St.James’s and Pall Mall are either now open to women and/or living on borrowed time. More’s the pity.

  128. @Buzz Mohawk
    @pyrrhus

    I can trace the moment we fell for Yellowstone to the time when my wife noticed that Costner's character drinks his whiskey from the same glasses I do: Ralph Lauren glen plaid crystal. The exact same, and we have never seen them anywhere else.

    https://media.tenor.com/images/4eb30832ebcf3a10103f4a7028596078/tenor.gif

    Add that to his character's outlook, which we share, and we were hooked. BTW we find that outlook nicely symbolic of what we feel as Americans in a big, beautiful country under invasion. This despite Coster's long-proven AmerIndian'o'Philic tendencies, which are carried forward here from Dances with Wolves.

    Side note: When I first met my wife's brother in Romania, he asked me which Indian tribes had lived in my home state of Colorado. He then explained that he loved Costner's movie.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

    Costner seems to be trying to single-handedly revive the old male movie star trope of turning to Westerns in middle age in order to maintain status.

    Most middle aged male movie stars these days do the whole “old man kicking ass” action stuff like Liam Neeson (Taken), Keeanu Reeves (John Wick), Denzel Washington (Man on Fire), and Bruce Willis (before his retirement due to aphasia this year, he was always doing old man action (Red, the Death Wish remake). Charles Bronson really is the guy who made this genre a thing (Death Wish), although obviously there were always examples before that.

    Even Costner does old man kicking ass movies ( the hilariously awful but thoroughly watchable 3 Days to Kill). But really, Costner has gone to Westerns in his middle age, which was the old male movie star direction. Jimmy Stewart, Clark Gable, Randolph Scott, John Wayne, etc… all did Westerns, and got revivals in fame and box office power in middle aged westerns rather than as young western stars.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @R.G. Camara

    Costner did “Silverado” in 1985.

    , @Buzz Mohawk
    @R.G. Camara

    Back during my Boulder Bachelor Daze, Kevin Costner was The Man. I mean every chick I dated loved him. That was then.

    , @Brutusale
    @R.G. Camara

    Costner's Open Range was a great Western. His work with Robert Duvall in that film was excellent.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4werfN6fQ44

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @R.G. Camara

    Costner was good with Diane Lane in Let Him Go.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_Him_Go

  129. @HammerJack

    Adam Driver (whom I really like — he’s an Indiana kid who enlisted in the Marines after 9/11 and he straddles the border between homely and magnificent)
     
    Right, but you're also hot for this chick. Your aesthetic sense may need recalibration. That guy looks like the hind end of a farm animal.


    https://i.ibb.co/4TxDM27/U8-VLg-q-R4e-1.jpg

    Is it because she's a billionaire, sort of? You figure she's a soft touch and you can hit her up? You must have some crazy expenses you're not telling us about.

    Replies: @SFG, @Anonymous, @Alfa158, @JimDandy, @BB753, @Anonymous, @tyrone, @Reg Cæsar, @R.G. Camara, @kaganovitch, @The Alarmist, @Inquiring Mind, @XBardon Kaldlan

    The FTX guy found an ugly girl who was nonetheless young, not fat, and, most importantly, worshipful of him, willing to do anything to be with him. She probably got a huge fat crush on him from the time they first met and, being the manipulative psycho he is, made her his little gopher/right hand woman, made her do drugs, made her let him have sex with other women, and had her doing a lot of lying to cover for him and had her manipulating others for him.

    And she went along with it because he was the best she could ever hope to even partially have (I mean, look at her) and he was a super manipulative dude who could play her like a fiddle.

    It’s probably a lot like Ghislaine Maxwell (what a retarded first name) and Jeffrey Epstein. Ghislaine was of course good looking (unlike this broad), but her obvious daddy issues and Epstein’s Hannibal Lecter-meets-a-porn-producer charm made her putty in Epstein’s hands, willing to kidnap teenage girls to be his sex slaves and pimp them out to other men and women at Jeffrey’s command.

    Both of these rich, powerful, sociopathic criminals were personally magnetic enough to charm desperate, lonely, daddy-issue broads into being their dogsbodies. This is Jim Jones level of manipulative, 99% of us (including me) will never meet someone like this, but if we did, it would be a nightmare.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @R.G. Camara

    Ghislaine's rather plain, and was when she was younger. Not sure what 'daddy issues' could mean in re Ghislaine and Robert Maxwell.

    Replies: @BosTex

  130. @LondonBob
    Can't imagine Costner having given a wooden performance. Dances with Wolves aged terribly, probably wasn't very good to begin with and was only given an Oscar for political reasons, pure propaganda. Still Costner did once date Elle Macpherson...

    Replies: @BosTex, @ScarletNumber, @Mike Tre, @Anonymous

    You’re being sarcastic right? Costner was nothing but wooden throughout the 90’s. Dances, Wyatt Earp, Waterworld, etc. He was dull and stiff.

    Maybe cocaine was what made him interesting in the 80’s?

    • Agree: LondonBob
  131. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Danindc


    I met Liz Phair when I won a trivia contest on WHFS almost 30 years ago. She was my dream girl.
     
    Maybe she had some in-person magnetism, but her music (lyrics and sound) and performance persona is cringe. Any guy praising her as an artist is doing it for silly simp reasons: She’s hot and she’s raunchy and she plays guitar! Whoa!

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-decline-of-capitalization/#comment-5351988 (#7)

    Do guys who aren’t really into (new/good) music who go gaga for Lana Del Rey, Emily Haines (Metric), Grimes, and going back a bit, Liz Phair (zing!) appreciate more the actual music, or more the image and attitude of said dames? I think it’s the latter ...
     

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Inverness, @Whereismyhandle, @Danindc, @Hodag

    Grimes is clearly brilliant and important. Musical genius nerd Billy Corgan compared her impact to generational talents like Bob Marley and Kurt Cobain.

    Lana del Rey is very good but for women especially she’s an incredibly influential artist

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Whereismyhandle

    It’s true that most of the artists I mentioned have some merit. I like Grimes, and get the appeal, especially to women, of LDR’s (studiously affected) vibe/voice/theatrics (see my full linked May comment).

    As for Haines/Metric, there might be a couple of okay songs, but the band is not great, IMO: The music (and lyrics) relies too much on her scratchy-throated tough-girl bouncy ‘swagger’—the music is evolved AOR for game, wanton chicks who grew up listening to Spice Girls-tier or more recent cheese and who are now adults and have been through a few rough relationships. NTTAWWT :)

    When Dave says Haines is a phenomenal live performer, I get what he’s saying—he likes her energy and her impressive legs. In an alternate timeline, they could be doing deadlifts together.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

  132. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Brutusale

    OK, I'll revise: "Semi-Tough" is the best sports movie for people like me who don't like sports.

    Does "Black Swan" count as a sports movie? Is ballet a sport? It's certainly more physically demanding than football. And you can't object that you can't call it a sport because there's no competitive aspect. Trust me, backstage there is more competition than five Super Bowls combined.

    Replies: @JimDandy

    Slap Shot

  133. @R.G. Camara
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Costner seems to be trying to single-handedly revive the old male movie star trope of turning to Westerns in middle age in order to maintain status.

    Most middle aged male movie stars these days do the whole "old man kicking ass" action stuff like Liam Neeson (Taken), Keeanu Reeves (John Wick), Denzel Washington (Man on Fire), and Bruce Willis (before his retirement due to aphasia this year, he was always doing old man action (Red, the Death Wish remake). Charles Bronson really is the guy who made this genre a thing (Death Wish), although obviously there were always examples before that.

    Even Costner does old man kicking ass movies ( the hilariously awful but thoroughly watchable 3 Days to Kill). But really, Costner has gone to Westerns in his middle age, which was the old male movie star direction. Jimmy Stewart, Clark Gable, Randolph Scott, John Wayne, etc... all did Westerns, and got revivals in fame and box office power in middle aged westerns rather than as young western stars.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Buzz Mohawk, @Brutusale, @Jim Don Bob

    Costner did “Silverado” in 1985.

  134. @Russ
    @BosTex


    Great movie that very few have seen: The Last Detail with Jack Nicholson. Hell of a good story and Nicholson inhabits his character. Language is very rough so you have to wait til after the kiddies are in bed.
     
    Nicholson's yodeling while the doomed Randy Quaid ascends the stairs with the prostitute was a career highlight.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Jack demonstrating semaphore in his boxer shorts and flat hat is pretty good.

    • Agree: Russ
    • Replies: @BosTex
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    On Boston Common, they are having a snowy cookout.

    Quaid signals:

    “Bravo-Yankee-Echo/Bravo-Yankee-Echo.”

    Buddusky: “That sonauvabitch is making a run for it!”

    What I love about Nicholson in that role is that he sounds pitch perfect as a senior non-com who is committed to the Navy and doing his duty…and hating to have to drag Quaid to Portsmouth.

    Life is like that.
    —————————————————————————-

    Side note: the movie was released Dec ‘73. I would have just turned six years old and a lot of the scenery looks like the America I remember as a little kid, so there is a definite sense of nostalgia.

    I remember my parents going to see it and liking the movie. My dad said: “you can’t see it. The language is way too rough.”

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose

    , @BosTex
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Thanks Twinkie. No Way Out is a pretty good movie.

    I think the cast is just really great with Gene Hackman, Will Patton, Sean Young (I know she is a flake, but God she was a great looking woman) and Kevin Costner.

    My wife and I happened to catch it last spring and I hadn’t seen it in years and my wife had never seen it. Pretty taut story all the way through.

    Replies: @LondonBob, @Twinkie

  135. @BosTex
    @LondonBob

    Costner’a not much of an actor: he doesn’t turn into anyone. He is just himself in every role.

    However, he has made some very entertaining movies:

    -Bull Durham is always fun to watch. That’s actually a very good sports movie.

    -The Untouchables is pretty good as well (though I think Sean Connery really is the heart and soul of the movie, not Costner).

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Feryl, @Ron Mexico

    Bull Durham

    Costner was fantastic in it. The whole “his arm” speech was excellent. Susan Sarandon almost ruined the movie with overacting.

    My favorite Costner film of all time is probably “No Way Out.”

    • Replies: @BosTex
    @Twinkie

    “What about LaLoosh?”

    “He’s got a million dollar arm and a 5 cent head.”

    Hahahaha. Great movie.

    , @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Twinkie

    I'm gonna go with the Cuban missile crisis movie, where KC actually attempted an accent. Understated movie, but good. I'm not a scholar of the event; for anybody who knows both the movie and the history --- was it portrayed accurately, or spun?

    Replies: @David In TN

  136. @R.G. Camara
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Costner seems to be trying to single-handedly revive the old male movie star trope of turning to Westerns in middle age in order to maintain status.

    Most middle aged male movie stars these days do the whole "old man kicking ass" action stuff like Liam Neeson (Taken), Keeanu Reeves (John Wick), Denzel Washington (Man on Fire), and Bruce Willis (before his retirement due to aphasia this year, he was always doing old man action (Red, the Death Wish remake). Charles Bronson really is the guy who made this genre a thing (Death Wish), although obviously there were always examples before that.

    Even Costner does old man kicking ass movies ( the hilariously awful but thoroughly watchable 3 Days to Kill). But really, Costner has gone to Westerns in his middle age, which was the old male movie star direction. Jimmy Stewart, Clark Gable, Randolph Scott, John Wayne, etc... all did Westerns, and got revivals in fame and box office power in middle aged westerns rather than as young western stars.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Buzz Mohawk, @Brutusale, @Jim Don Bob

    Back during my Boulder Bachelor Daze, Kevin Costner was The Man. I mean every chick I dated loved him. That was then.

  137. @Jack D
    OT:

    Gavin Newsom's reparations committee will recommend handing out $223,200 per person to all descendants of slaves in California for 'housing discrimination' at a cost of $559BN - in nation's biggest restitution effort ever.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11491263/California-reparations-committee-recommend-handing-223-200-descendant-slaves.html

    In unrelated news, BMW stock soared today. Financial analysts are unable to explain the reason.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Pixo

    You mean OJ and his four kids will be getting over a million dollars from taxpayers? Oh, wait… this is meant for specific families who were screwed over by the progressives of a century ago. Only fitting that the progressives of today are to be taxed to pay for it. Still, how many can prove they qualify?

    Also, the Daily Mail says all “descendants of slaves”. Shouldn’t it be just the descendants of affected property owners? And if one family has twice as many as another, wouldn’t they be entitled to only half as much per capita?

    In happier news, the young royals understand the concept of setting an example:

    Prince William Duke Prince & Kate Middleton Duchess of Cambridge Princess of Wales Are Reportedly ‘Going with the Flow’ for Baby #4

  138. @Twinkie
    @BosTex


    Bull Durham
     
    Costner was fantastic in it. The whole “his arm” speech was excellent. Susan Sarandon almost ruined the movie with overacting.

    My favorite Costner film of all time is probably “No Way Out.”

    Replies: @BosTex, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    “What about LaLoosh?”

    “He’s got a million dollar arm and a 5 cent head.”

    Hahahaha. Great movie.

  139. We’re talking about great movies and nobody has mentioned Crank and Crank 2. smdh.

    • Agree: Sick n' Tired
    • Replies: @Sick n' Tired
    @Kim

    Or Demolition Man, which seems to become a more accurate depiction of the future every day now, even though it was released in 93.

  140. @Jack D
    OT:

    Gavin Newsom's reparations committee will recommend handing out $223,200 per person to all descendants of slaves in California for 'housing discrimination' at a cost of $559BN - in nation's biggest restitution effort ever.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11491263/California-reparations-committee-recommend-handing-223-200-descendant-slaves.html

    In unrelated news, BMW stock soared today. Financial analysts are unable to explain the reason.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Pixo

    This sounds silly but isn’t terribly different than the anti-white racist system in Hawaii.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna21383435

  141. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @Russ

    Jack demonstrating semaphore in his boxer shorts and flat hat is pretty good.

    Replies: @BosTex, @BosTex

    On Boston Common, they are having a snowy cookout.

    Quaid signals:

    “Bravo-Yankee-Echo/Bravo-Yankee-Echo.”

    Buddusky: “That sonauvabitch is making a run for it!”

    What I love about Nicholson in that role is that he sounds pitch perfect as a senior non-com who is committed to the Navy and doing his duty…and hating to have to drag Quaid to Portsmouth.

    Life is like that.
    —————————————————————————-

    Side note: the movie was released Dec ‘73. I would have just turned six years old and a lot of the scenery looks like the America I remember as a little kid, so there is a definite sense of nostalgia.

    I remember my parents going to see it and liking the movie. My dad said: “you can’t see it. The language is way too rough.”

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @BosTex

    As a young liberal pussy, I very much admired the films of Hal Ashby. He made some good movies for a hippy degenerate tyrant auteur. The Landlord, about a Park Slope gentrifier(!), Last Detail, Shampoo, Harold & Maude, Being There, etc, all flawed movies but with some great moments. He made a sports movie, too, The Slugger's Wife, which was not so good.

  142. @Steve Sailer
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    "So, in other words, Lenny Bruce."

    Right, Bruce was painfully unfunny in the liberated 1960s.

    Replies: @XBardon Kaldlan, @Legba

    While you’re at it, why not stop perpetuating the stereotype that Richard Pryor was ever funny

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Legba

    It’s hard to judge comedy from a distance of decades, since a lot of it is topical, and even attitudes about then-famous figures shift over time.

  143. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @Russ

    Jack demonstrating semaphore in his boxer shorts and flat hat is pretty good.

    Replies: @BosTex, @BosTex

    Thanks Twinkie. No Way Out is a pretty good movie.

    I think the cast is just really great with Gene Hackman, Will Patton, Sean Young (I know she is a flake, but God she was a great looking woman) and Kevin Costner.

    My wife and I happened to catch it last spring and I hadn’t seen it in years and my wife had never seen it. Pretty taut story all the way through.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @BosTex

    'No Way Out' is a good film, Costner has presence, you just need to surround him with really good actors and not ask too much of him.

    , @Twinkie
    @BosTex

    That was a great moment - when the main character finally finds the refuge and starts speaking...

  144. @Anonymous
    Foo Fighters “Best of You” (the peak of corporate rock) vs. “Strawberry Fields Forever.“

    Strawberry Fields is strange but perfectly appealing to pop fans. For really nutball stuff, there's Kate Bush's 'Wuthering Heights'. WTF

    Replies: @anonymous

    I see the contrast between the two songs, but confess I don’t understand why “Best” is peak corporate. Oh well, I’m still listening to Jackie DeShannon.

  145. @Anonymous

    The kind of guy whom Draft Day is aimed at knows exactly whom Ryan Leaf was.
     
    Whom, at the end of the day is Ryan Leaf?

    Reminds me of that great Whom song, Whom Are You.

    Fredo Sailer trying to show the world that "I'm smaht!"

    Replies: @David In TN, @Bill Jones

    Going into the 1998 NFL Draft it became fashionable to sat Ryan Leaf had more physical talent and “upside” than Peyton Manning. Some of the “Draft experts” had talked themselves into believing Leaf would be a better pro QB than Manning.

    Peyton Manning, of course, went on to a long and productive career. Manning was as close to a sure thing as you could get.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @David In TN


    Going into the 1998 NFL Draft it became fashionable to sat Ryan Leaf had more physical talent and “upside” than Peyton Manning.
     
    So he was the Gary Beban of his era?

    Mrs Beban is still alive, in case you were wondering. One of the directories I looked them up on maintains that Steve is 105 years old. I think they're confusing him with his dad.

    https://d3eguztg5751m.cloudfront.net/as/assets-mem-com/cmi/9/7/9/4/5184979/20120727_124457870_0_orig.jpg/-/ernest-sailer-burbank-ca-photos2.jpg

    Replies: @duncsbaby

  146. @Dumbo
    What about people who couldn't care less about such stupid movies? In which category are they?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Greta Handel, @obwandiyag, @Intelligent Dasein

    I haven’t seen any of the movies referred to in this post except Ghostbusters, and I have no desire to ever see any of them.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Intelligent Dasein

    "I haven’t seen any of the movies referred to in this post except Ghostbusters, and I have no desire to ever see any of them."

    Trust me, they don't want to see you either.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

  147. @Tono-Bungay
    I repeat my question: Why is Steve Sailer absent from TAki's yesterday?

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Intelligent Dasein

    I repeat my question: Why is Steve Sailer absent from TAki’s yesterday?

    Just the other day, the Z-Man announced that he was quitting Taki’s for good. It was one of those rare divorces that increase the respectability of both parties.

    If Sailer also leaves Taki’s, we might have a perfect circle of mutual denouncements.

  148. @David In TN
    @Anonymous

    Going into the 1998 NFL Draft it became fashionable to sat Ryan Leaf had more physical talent and "upside" than Peyton Manning. Some of the "Draft experts" had talked themselves into believing Leaf would be a better pro QB than Manning.

    Peyton Manning, of course, went on to a long and productive career. Manning was as close to a sure thing as you could get.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Going into the 1998 NFL Draft it became fashionable to sat Ryan Leaf had more physical talent and “upside” than Peyton Manning.

    So he was the Gary Beban of his era?

    Mrs Beban is still alive, in case you were wondering. One of the directories I looked them up on maintains that Steve is 105 years old. I think they’re confusing him with his dad.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
    @Reg Cæsar

    https://tenor.com/blOk6.gif

  149. @Twinkie
    @BosTex


    Bull Durham
     
    Costner was fantastic in it. The whole “his arm” speech was excellent. Susan Sarandon almost ruined the movie with overacting.

    My favorite Costner film of all time is probably “No Way Out.”

    Replies: @BosTex, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    I’m gonna go with the Cuban missile crisis movie, where KC actually attempted an accent. Understated movie, but good. I’m not a scholar of the event; for anybody who knows both the movie and the history — was it portrayed accurately, or spun?

    • Replies: @David In TN
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Thirteen Days (2000) was not "portrayed accurately. To say it was "spun" is an understatement. It was based on Bobby Kennedy's posthumous book of the same title.

    Sheldon Stern has shown in his books the declassification of the White House Cuban missile crisis tapes has revealed RFK's book to be inaccurate and misleading. He began writing it for JFK's 1964 reelection campaign, but after the assassination changed the focus to advance his own political career.

    RFK claimed in Thirteen Days that he and JFK formed a united front for restraint against the military hawks. The tapes show RFK to have been one of the most hawkish in the room. Stern (who worked for RFK's 1968 campaign) wrote:

    "RFK's stance diring the ExComm meetings, which can only be fully understood in the context of his role in Operation Mongoose, turns out to be very different than the idealized and sanitized view he consciously crafted for Thirteen Days."

    For a recent book, see "The Soviets' Greatest Gambit: The Cuban Missile Crisis," by Alan J. Levine.

    Replies: @BosTex

  150. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Twinkie

    Yes.

    The show gets into some of that grit, and it certainly worships the cowboy work with its wonderful cinematography. It is a bit surprising how well it balances that heritage with the woke stuff and Indian stuff. Surprising in our time that it tries at all without simply demonizing the Duttons and all the other core, White Americans in Montana.

    All-in-all, it seems rather fair -- while very often presenting simple, cartoon-like images of every representative of every cohort in that menagerie.

    Thank you for sharing your situation re farming and ranching. That is very relevant, and I deeply respect it. I have been close friends with farmers for the past 42 years now, and, of course you know, I grew up mostly around old ranches in Colorado. My parents built our house on land that had been part of a ranch, and part of that family was still there. I buried my father's ashes 10 yards away from the grave of the last settler of that valley -- who was still alive and living in a log house when we arrived in 1972.

    This is the view of our valley from the mountain in front of our house:


    https://www.schnizer.com/SOTAblog/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Berrian-View-NW.jpg

    I first climbed here when I was 13 with two friends during summer after we finished 7th grade. We slept there, and I returned many times over the years until I sold the house in the valley below.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    the woke stuff and Indian stuff

    The show tried that a bit in the first couple of seasons, but I feel like it retreated from that a bit since.

    Surprising in our time that it tries at all without simply demonizing the Duttons and all the other core, White Americans in Montana.

    Agree. One thing I don’t get, though, is that Montana actually has a big extractive economy. The introductory sequence hints at some conflict involving that, but the show has nothing about it (yet). I haven’t seen any of the new season, so perhaps that’s in there, finally.

    Thanks for sharing that photo. If I had grown up somewhere like that, I’d never have left. Then again, if my old man lived there, I would have still. 😉

  151. @HammerJack

    Adam Driver (whom I really like — he’s an Indiana kid who enlisted in the Marines after 9/11 and he straddles the border between homely and magnificent)
     
    Right, but you're also hot for this chick. Your aesthetic sense may need recalibration. That guy looks like the hind end of a farm animal.


    https://i.ibb.co/4TxDM27/U8-VLg-q-R4e-1.jpg

    Is it because she's a billionaire, sort of? You figure she's a soft touch and you can hit her up? You must have some crazy expenses you're not telling us about.

    Replies: @SFG, @Anonymous, @Alfa158, @JimDandy, @BB753, @Anonymous, @tyrone, @Reg Cæsar, @R.G. Camara, @kaganovitch, @The Alarmist, @Inquiring Mind, @XBardon Kaldlan

    You must have some crazy expenses you’re not telling us about.

    It’s Lambo. She’ll only eat artisanal kibble hand rolled by Master Jae , grandson of the Master of Hounds to his Majesty Sunjong Yi , King of Joseon and Emperor of Korea. It is flown into LAX twice a week at exorbitant expense

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @kaganovitch

    Eh, whaddya gonna do. A girl named after one of these is pretty much bound to have expensive taste.


    https://wearecurated.com/wp-content/uploads/Lamborghini-Gallardo-Red-33-of-33-1.jpg

    PS. I couldn't even get in the door of one of those. I tried.

  152. @Legba
    @Steve Sailer

    While you're at it, why not stop perpetuating the stereotype that Richard Pryor was ever funny

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    It’s hard to judge comedy from a distance of decades, since a lot of it is topical, and even attitudes about then-famous figures shift over time.

    • Agree: Art Deco
  153. In Draft Day, Costner is slightly wooden himself as the football executive

    This bizarre YouTube channel announced his death today:

    Other recent obits are for Helen Mirren and Russell Crowe, both of whom are still alive. In fact, all of these are– creepy:

    https://www.youtube.com/@tragicnews5916/videos

    In happier news, this is for Tiny/Ebony:

    Scale not given. Ducks Unlimited estimates 34 million breeding ducks in the US, and the USDA says there are about five million on farms.

  154. @Whereismyhandle
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Grimes is clearly brilliant and important. Musical genius nerd Billy Corgan compared her impact to generational talents like Bob Marley and Kurt Cobain.

    Lana del Rey is very good but for women especially she's an incredibly influential artist

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    It’s true that most of the artists I mentioned have some merit. I like Grimes, and get the appeal, especially to women, of LDR’s (studiously affected) vibe/voice/theatrics (see my full linked May comment).

    As for Haines/Metric, there might be a couple of okay songs, but the band is not great, IMO: The music (and lyrics) relies too much on her scratchy-throated tough-girl bouncy ‘swagger’—the music is evolved AOR for game, wanton chicks who grew up listening to Spice Girls-tier or more recent cheese and who are now adults and have been through a few rough relationships. NTTAWWT 🙂

    When Dave says Haines is a phenomenal live performer, I get what he’s saying—he likes her energy and her impressive legs. In an alternate timeline, they could be doing deadlifts together.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    As for Haines/Metric, there might be a couple of okay songs, but the band is not great, IMO: The music (and lyrics) relies too much on her scratchy-throated tough-girl bouncy ‘swagger’—the music is evolved AOR for game, wanton chicks who grew up listening to Spice Girls-tier or more recent cheese and who are now adults and have been through a few rough relationships.
     
    It's impressive to be wrong this many times in one paragraph. Metric's co-founder, guitarist Jimmy Shaw, was classically trained at Julliard; a lot of their songs don't rely on "swagger"; their lead single from their current album is 10 minutes long--clearly not evolved for album-oriented radio (does that even still exist?); and Emily's lyrics are hardly ever about romantic relationships. The one exception to that that comes to mind, Metric's ballad "Eclipse" for the Twilight Eclipse soundtrack (silly movie, but great soundtrack), is also an example of Emily not employing any "scratchy-throated tough-girl bouncy ‘swagger’":

    https://youtu.be/kV6gxgP7XUI

    When Dave says Haines is a phenomenal live performer, I get what he’s saying—he likes her energy and her impressive legs. In an alternate timeline, they could be doing deadlifts together.
     
    Of the singers you mentioned, the only one I'm aware of that deadlifts is Lana Del Rey. Emily Haines moves more like a boxer.

    https://youtu.be/3m2PrbXklA0

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @The Germ Theory of Disease

  155. @LondonBob
    Can't imagine Costner having given a wooden performance. Dances with Wolves aged terribly, probably wasn't very good to begin with and was only given an Oscar for political reasons, pure propaganda. Still Costner did once date Elle Macpherson...

    Replies: @BosTex, @ScarletNumber, @Mike Tre, @Anonymous

    Cameron’s Avatar is nothing more than a sci-fi remake of Dances with Wolves.

    • Agree: Old Prude
  156. @Intelligent Dasein
    @Dumbo

    I haven't seen any of the movies referred to in this post except Ghostbusters, and I have no desire to ever see any of them.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    “I haven’t seen any of the movies referred to in this post except Ghostbusters, and I have no desire to ever see any of them.”

    Trust me, they don’t want to see you either.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    @The Germ Theory of Disease


    Trust me, they don’t want to see you either.
     
    See, now that's where you're wrong, wiseass. They definitely want to see me and my money, and I'm not giving it to them.
  157. @kaganovitch
    @HammerJack

    You must have some crazy expenses you’re not telling us about.

    It's Lambo. She'll only eat artisanal kibble hand rolled by Master Jae , grandson of the Master of Hounds to his Majesty Sunjong Yi , King of Joseon and Emperor of Korea. It is flown into LAX twice a week at exorbitant expense

    Replies: @HammerJack

    Eh, whaddya gonna do. A girl named after one of these is pretty much bound to have expensive taste.


    PS. I couldn’t even get in the door of one of those. I tried.

  158. @BosTex
    @LondonBob

    Costner’a not much of an actor: he doesn’t turn into anyone. He is just himself in every role.

    However, he has made some very entertaining movies:

    -Bull Durham is always fun to watch. That’s actually a very good sports movie.

    -The Untouchables is pretty good as well (though I think Sean Connery really is the heart and soul of the movie, not Costner).

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Feryl, @Ron Mexico

    On the plus side, Costner does represent dignified stoic masculinity even though his career took off in an era when such a thing has become increasingly unfashionable. And yes, Costner is a classic example of an actor being himself in every role but he largely knows what he’s doing and doesn’t stray too far outside his range. In his interviews he’s very likeable and good natured. Whereas a lot of male actors who’s careers took off after circa-1970 seem grumpy or narcissistic.

  159. @BosTex
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Thanks Twinkie. No Way Out is a pretty good movie.

    I think the cast is just really great with Gene Hackman, Will Patton, Sean Young (I know she is a flake, but God she was a great looking woman) and Kevin Costner.

    My wife and I happened to catch it last spring and I hadn’t seen it in years and my wife had never seen it. Pretty taut story all the way through.

    Replies: @LondonBob, @Twinkie

    ‘No Way Out’ is a good film, Costner has presence, you just need to surround him with really good actors and not ask too much of him.

  160. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Twinkie

    My wife and I watch Yellowstone too. I share some philosophy with John Dutton (Kevin Costner.) My wife calls him my brother. I have the hots for his daughter, Beth (Kelly Reilly.)

    https://www.therut.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/0672A919-5286-438F-A63D-A98F91D2486D.jpeg

    Replies: @anonymous, @duncsbaby

    Sorry, but let me cure you of your Yellowstone admiration:

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @duncsbaby

    Damn you. Now I have to clean my barf off the floor.

    , @Twinkie
    @duncsbaby

    If I only watched movies or TV shows made by actors and directors who share my politics, I'd be watching Triumph des Willens and Olympia all day.

    I kid, of course.

    I don't have a problem eating Ben & Jerry's Ice Cream and I'll watch Kevin Costner in Yellowstone even if he supports politically that old maid shrew of an elitist Liz Cheney.

  161. @Abe

    Annette stars Adam Driver (whom I really like — he’s an Indiana kid who enlisted in the Marines after 9/11 and he straddles the border between homely and magnificent)
     
    Good on you, Steve! Yes, Driver went up significantly in my book when you shared that tidbit in reviewing another movie of his from several years back (WHILE WE ARE YOUNG?). Kinnda like how Gary Sinise looks a bit sinister on the surface until you learn of all the great veterans volunteer work he’s done and then your opinion completely flips.

    Driver is the obvious choice to play a young Pete Townsend if they ever get around to a THE WHO music-bio .

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=17-VPZSRbUs

    Replies: @duncsbaby

    Driver is the obvious choice to play a young Pete Townsend if they ever get around to a THE WHO music-bio .

    Sorry, but the time for this has been long past. Adam Driver is 37. Pete Townshend was 37 in 1983, one year after the Who put out It’s Hard, which would be their last album for 20 years. Both blokes do sprout prominent proboscises though, I’ll give you that.

  162. @JimDandy
    @hhsiii

    He played an uber-Jew in all of those movies. Except, perhaps, the one about spacemen.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @hhsiii

    I doubt he was supposed to be Jewish in Inside Llewyn Davis. Al Cody was his character. Although you may just be referring to type and not the actual religion of the character. Although that’s getting a bit meta, I guess. And he was being directed by Jewish men in a couple of those. Not sure about the Spike Lee movie.

    Ok damn, you may be into something. His name is Zimmerman in Klansman and Shapiro in Frances Ha. But he’s Charlie Barber in Frances Ha.

    • Replies: @hhsiii
    @hhsiii

    Whoops, too late to edit. He’s Charlie Barber in Marriage Story.

  163. @hhsiii
    @JimDandy

    I doubt he was supposed to be Jewish in Inside Llewyn Davis. Al Cody was his character. Although you may just be referring to type and not the actual religion of the character. Although that’s getting a bit meta, I guess. And he was being directed by Jewish men in a couple of those. Not sure about the Spike Lee movie.

    Ok damn, you may be into something. His name is Zimmerman in Klansman and Shapiro in Frances Ha. But he’s Charlie Barber in Frances Ha.

    Replies: @hhsiii

    Whoops, too late to edit. He’s Charlie Barber in Marriage Story.

  164. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Nancy Dowd is like Leigh Brackett. People who don't know are always shocked to find out Slapshot is written by a woman, and Brackett came up with some of the best set pieces in Empire Strikes Back.

    Roger Ebert famously panned Slapshot when it came out, probably out of feigned outrage on behalf of progressive feminists. He later realized it's a masterpiece.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHMi-j7W2gM

    Replies: @Lurker, @BosTex, @Ron Mexico, @p38ace

    “I’m listening to the fucking song!”

  165. @BosTex
    @LondonBob

    Costner’a not much of an actor: he doesn’t turn into anyone. He is just himself in every role.

    However, he has made some very entertaining movies:

    -Bull Durham is always fun to watch. That’s actually a very good sports movie.

    -The Untouchables is pretty good as well (though I think Sean Connery really is the heart and soul of the movie, not Costner).

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Feryl, @Ron Mexico

    Those two movies and “Open Range.” “Field of Dreams,” too.

  166. @Reg Cæsar
    @David In TN


    Going into the 1998 NFL Draft it became fashionable to sat Ryan Leaf had more physical talent and “upside” than Peyton Manning.
     
    So he was the Gary Beban of his era?

    Mrs Beban is still alive, in case you were wondering. One of the directories I looked them up on maintains that Steve is 105 years old. I think they're confusing him with his dad.

    https://d3eguztg5751m.cloudfront.net/as/assets-mem-com/cmi/9/7/9/4/5184979/20120727_124457870_0_orig.jpg/-/ernest-sailer-burbank-ca-photos2.jpg

    Replies: @duncsbaby

  167. Strange. I like Friday Night Lights and Heathers. I first watched them both when I was about 18. It was the Friday Night Lights tv show that prompted me to watch the movie, though.

  168. @HammerJack

    Adam Driver (whom I really like — he’s an Indiana kid who enlisted in the Marines after 9/11 and he straddles the border between homely and magnificent)
     
    Right, but you're also hot for this chick. Your aesthetic sense may need recalibration. That guy looks like the hind end of a farm animal.


    https://i.ibb.co/4TxDM27/U8-VLg-q-R4e-1.jpg

    Is it because she's a billionaire, sort of? You figure she's a soft touch and you can hit her up? You must have some crazy expenses you're not telling us about.

    Replies: @SFG, @Anonymous, @Alfa158, @JimDandy, @BB753, @Anonymous, @tyrone, @Reg Cæsar, @R.G. Camara, @kaganovitch, @The Alarmist, @Inquiring Mind, @XBardon Kaldlan

    It’s because one doesn’t need any game to hit that, just alcohol for one’s self.

  169. @duncsbaby
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Sorry, but let me cure you of your Yellowstone admiration:

    https://www.mediaite.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Kevin-Costner-Wears-Liz-Cheney-Swag.jpg

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Twinkie

    Damn you. Now I have to clean my barf off the floor.

  170. @Altai

    Friday Night Lights fans are who you want in your foxhole. On the other hand, Heathers fans are probably going to create more interesting art and music. You want to have a culture that can balance both.
     
    Steve often ponders if the Great Awokening was begun in the universities or by the media. I'd suggest that though an awful lots of ground work was laid over 40 years the big spark and proximate cause of the Great Awokening was the advent of social media. It was exactly those girls who watch Heathers who went insane from being able to talk to each other en masse on platforms like Tumblr.

    At first it was a shock when social media was used politically in North African countries during the so-called 'Arab Spring', slogans, hashtags used in this way. Though lost in this was how it could also create echo chambers or create realities essentially controlled by adolescents and young adults who are still essentially adolescents. This was obscured because the demographics in North Africa circa 2011 were so heavily young skewed that it didn't really represent too much of a conflict.

    The first big US election to take place after social media had gotten really big was in 2012 and after that, things began to change I suspect. Virtue signalling and low-information voter style discourse began. Until in 2020 we reach the point where Jamie Lee Curtis is tweeting a picture of a US mail van on a flatbed in August and suggesting Trump is having his vast army of loyal MAGA shirts putting them into storage to throttle the mail-in vote. Steve also thinks that Obama may have amped up ID-Pol after his second term began and that may be the case but I don't think it was enough to cause this.

    https://twitter.com/jamieleecurtis/status/1293246051772588032

    As stated above, it's very important to remember that not all demographics use social media as heavily and not all demographics are as susceptible to falling into group think or virtue signalling. The power users of social media are young women and adolescent girls and the power users among them are girls with cluster B personality disorders, people get tired of me saying this but it's true and it's an important context to understand what's happening.

    Suddenly we had a cohort who is generally not very politically involved or interested (Having the lowest information level of any cohort on politics let alone geopolitics) becoming arguably the most political cohort.

    There has essentially been an electronic Salem Witch Trial going on for 8 or so years now.

    What's crazy is that emotional reaction Trump elicited in those girls and other progressive liberals has been so intense that they have joined forces with the demographic of hardcore Friday Night Lights fans to push us towards a decisive confrontation with Russia. The only thing both those cohorts can agree upon is 'Slava Ukraini', the girls because they hate Putin as a proxy for Trump and the Friday Night Lights people because they always side with team America and it's crazy neocon wars. But the neocon 'Russiagate' campaign worked so well the cohort who should be their biggest opponents on this are their biggest supporters. Though it looks like they overreached badly and it seems like the social media rhetoric made this become more of a test of US hegemony than it otherwise would. It also seems to have directly led to the mass attempts by governments and companies to 'cancel' Russia leading to the West expending all it's possible non-military options for escalation in days and giving Russia nothing to lose. Pretty disastrous outcome for all concerned.

    How much has the rhetoric on Putin being pushed and pressure put on Biden to act aggressive towards Putin been driven by this new reality of histrionic emotional teenage girls becoming so influential on the internet? Not an irrelevant amount at all.

    It's only been a few years and their influence has brought the world closer to nuclear war than ever before.

    Similar to how generations that grew up just as high sugar foods and lower amounts of physical activities suffered more than later generations that became obsessed with how to stay fit and attractive in this new environment, our civilisation hasn't yet come to terms with teenage girls playing the world's biggest online multiplayer game, social media and when to not take them so seriously. (The same people who take them so seriously en masse don't take their own teenage daughters seriously)

    They've kind of lost their minds and become the most influential people in the world at the same time.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @ic1000

    > I’d suggest that although an awful lot of ground work was laid over 40 years, the big spark and proximate cause of the Great Awokening was the advent of social media.

    Jon Haidt agrees. Here is Razib Khan’s October 2022 hourlong interview of him.

    Haidt urges mandatory implementation of parental controls on smartphone-oriented social media. He believes that access to platforms like Tumblr, Tiktok, and Instagram is unhealthy for under-16s.

  171. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Intelligent Dasein

    "I haven’t seen any of the movies referred to in this post except Ghostbusters, and I have no desire to ever see any of them."

    Trust me, they don't want to see you either.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    Trust me, they don’t want to see you either.

    See, now that’s where you’re wrong, wiseass. They definitely want to see me and my money, and I’m not giving it to them.

  172. @HammerJack
    @BB753

    Found the original now. Quite a number of guys here like her! Oh well.. She must have something going for her, but it sure ain't looks.


    https://www.unz.com/isteve/caroline-ellisons-tumblr/

    Replies: @SFG, @BB753

    I see! I know who she is! She’s part of what Charlie Robinson dubs “The Crypto Manson Family”. A seriously disturbed and polyamorous chick of the FTX crew.

    https://rokfin.com/post/109980

    https://rokfin.com/post/110100

    https://rokfin.com/post/109818

    ( I’m posting three links because I don’t know which one(s) non- members can access).

  173. @BosTex
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    On Boston Common, they are having a snowy cookout.

    Quaid signals:

    “Bravo-Yankee-Echo/Bravo-Yankee-Echo.”

    Buddusky: “That sonauvabitch is making a run for it!”

    What I love about Nicholson in that role is that he sounds pitch perfect as a senior non-com who is committed to the Navy and doing his duty…and hating to have to drag Quaid to Portsmouth.

    Life is like that.
    —————————————————————————-

    Side note: the movie was released Dec ‘73. I would have just turned six years old and a lot of the scenery looks like the America I remember as a little kid, so there is a definite sense of nostalgia.

    I remember my parents going to see it and liking the movie. My dad said: “you can’t see it. The language is way too rough.”

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose

    As a young liberal pussy, I very much admired the films of Hal Ashby. He made some good movies for a hippy degenerate tyrant auteur. The Landlord, about a Park Slope gentrifier(!), Last Detail, Shampoo, Harold & Maude, Being There, etc, all flawed movies but with some great moments. He made a sports movie, too, The Slugger’s Wife, which was not so good.

  174. I recently streamed “Apocalypto.” It’s riveting, a glimpse of what a Hollywood built around artistic vision might have looked like. Extreme violence is core to a straightforward storyline of hunter-gatherers’ collision with an advanced civilization. The plot also includes some heavy-handed elements to make the movie more commercially viable, IMO excusable compromises, if that’s what it took to get the film made and marketed. Many or most people won’t like it, and its stuff-of-nightmares should make it off-limits for adolescents. But an amazing achievement by Mel Gibson.

    • Agree: Twinkie
    • Thanks: Yahya
    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @ic1000

    I found Apocalypto to be the most gripping and appalling movie I've ever seen.
    As you say, an amazing achievement.

    , @Twinkie
    @ic1000


    I recently streamed “Apocalypto.”
     
    That's a criminally underrated film. I enjoyed it immensely.
  175. @prime noticer
    why is a movie about the Browns drafting players not a comedy. i never heard of this movie before and actually laughed out loud when i read the premise. that trailer is hilarious nonsense that made me chuckle. the Browns office would best be portrayed by a couple of monkeys throwing darts at a fantasy football scouting report they bought at Barnes and Nobles while a dozen chickens run around with their heads cut off and hamsters run on a treadmill in the background.

    interesting statistical fact that Steve has never picked up on or written about - over the last 22 years or something along those lines, the Browns are way, way worse than random chance would predict. indeed, even sports books, experts in stats and probability, overrate the Browns chances in their numbers. they are extremely bad in a way that defies probability. they should have accidentally been good by now at some point. considering NFL is deliberately set up for parity whereas MLB is not, it defies all odds. Browns management is aggressively bad. Robert Conquest's laws apply.

    there was a time for several years where the Browns pretty much never made their line or over under sports betting numbers, whereas the Patriots were almost always over their numbers, even given the generous odds offered by books. the Browns always lost by more than the line and the Patriots always won by more. this went on for seasons and i have to assume astute bettors made bank on this when books blithely failed to correct it.

    Replies: @Feryl, @Brutusale

  176. @R.G. Camara
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Costner seems to be trying to single-handedly revive the old male movie star trope of turning to Westerns in middle age in order to maintain status.

    Most middle aged male movie stars these days do the whole "old man kicking ass" action stuff like Liam Neeson (Taken), Keeanu Reeves (John Wick), Denzel Washington (Man on Fire), and Bruce Willis (before his retirement due to aphasia this year, he was always doing old man action (Red, the Death Wish remake). Charles Bronson really is the guy who made this genre a thing (Death Wish), although obviously there were always examples before that.

    Even Costner does old man kicking ass movies ( the hilariously awful but thoroughly watchable 3 Days to Kill). But really, Costner has gone to Westerns in his middle age, which was the old male movie star direction. Jimmy Stewart, Clark Gable, Randolph Scott, John Wayne, etc... all did Westerns, and got revivals in fame and box office power in middle aged westerns rather than as young western stars.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Buzz Mohawk, @Brutusale, @Jim Don Bob

    Costner’s Open Range was a great Western. His work with Robert Duvall in that film was excellent.

    • Agree: Captain Tripps
  177. @R.G. Camara
    @HammerJack

    The FTX guy found an ugly girl who was nonetheless young, not fat, and, most importantly, worshipful of him, willing to do anything to be with him. She probably got a huge fat crush on him from the time they first met and, being the manipulative psycho he is, made her his little gopher/right hand woman, made her do drugs, made her let him have sex with other women, and had her doing a lot of lying to cover for him and had her manipulating others for him.

    And she went along with it because he was the best she could ever hope to even partially have (I mean, look at her) and he was a super manipulative dude who could play her like a fiddle.

    It's probably a lot like Ghislaine Maxwell (what a retarded first name) and Jeffrey Epstein. Ghislaine was of course good looking (unlike this broad), but her obvious daddy issues and Epstein's Hannibal Lecter-meets-a-porn-producer charm made her putty in Epstein's hands, willing to kidnap teenage girls to be his sex slaves and pimp them out to other men and women at Jeffrey's command.

    Both of these rich, powerful, sociopathic criminals were personally magnetic enough to charm desperate, lonely, daddy-issue broads into being their dogsbodies. This is Jim Jones level of manipulative, 99% of us (including me) will never meet someone like this, but if we did, it would be a nightmare.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Ghislaine’s rather plain, and was when she was younger. Not sure what ‘daddy issues’ could mean in re Ghislaine and Robert Maxwell.

    • Replies: @BosTex
    @Art Deco

    I don’t know about that. She was a pretty nice looking girl.

    Don’t forget, big hooters too. Always makes a girl look better:

    https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/b67848cec02b3f3dbcded1c5c78229f7?width=1024

  178. @Art Deco
    @R.G. Camara

    Ghislaine's rather plain, and was when she was younger. Not sure what 'daddy issues' could mean in re Ghislaine and Robert Maxwell.

    Replies: @BosTex

    I don’t know about that. She was a pretty nice looking girl.

    Don’t forget, big hooters too. Always makes a girl look better:

    https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/b67848cec02b3f3dbcded1c5c78229f7?width=1024

    • Agree: Russ
  179. @Anonymous

    The kind of guy whom Draft Day is aimed at knows exactly whom Ryan Leaf was.
     
    Whom, at the end of the day is Ryan Leaf?

    Reminds me of that great Whom song, Whom Are You.

    Fredo Sailer trying to show the world that "I'm smaht!"

    Replies: @David In TN, @Bill Jones

    Any usage that can distill Soviet Communism into two short words differing in only one letter is something to treasure not denigrate.

    Who, Whom.

  180. “But the Friday Night Lights vs. Heathers contrast is piddling compared to Draft Day vs. Annette, which is like the Foo Fighters “Best of You” (the peak of corporate rock) vs. “Strawberry Fields Forever.“

    At the time of its release in Feb. ’67, Strawberry Fields Forever, the band that released it, was the pinnacle of corporate rock. The Beatles, Alist Superstars in the world of rock that they were, were so oversaturated and overmarketed by that time. Irony is that the song was the “B” side, to Penny Lane (which went #1 on the US charts). Technically both songs were part of a double A side, but Penny Lane charter higher and usually is considered the true “A” side of the record.

    Still not exactly sure why Strawberry Fields Forever and Penny Lane weren’t included on Sgt. Pepper album.

  181. @R.G. Camara
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Costner seems to be trying to single-handedly revive the old male movie star trope of turning to Westerns in middle age in order to maintain status.

    Most middle aged male movie stars these days do the whole "old man kicking ass" action stuff like Liam Neeson (Taken), Keeanu Reeves (John Wick), Denzel Washington (Man on Fire), and Bruce Willis (before his retirement due to aphasia this year, he was always doing old man action (Red, the Death Wish remake). Charles Bronson really is the guy who made this genre a thing (Death Wish), although obviously there were always examples before that.

    Even Costner does old man kicking ass movies ( the hilariously awful but thoroughly watchable 3 Days to Kill). But really, Costner has gone to Westerns in his middle age, which was the old male movie star direction. Jimmy Stewart, Clark Gable, Randolph Scott, John Wayne, etc... all did Westerns, and got revivals in fame and box office power in middle aged westerns rather than as young western stars.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Buzz Mohawk, @Brutusale, @Jim Don Bob

    Costner was good with Diane Lane in Let Him Go.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_Him_Go

    • Agree: Twinkie
  182. @HammerJack

    Adam Driver (whom I really like — he’s an Indiana kid who enlisted in the Marines after 9/11 and he straddles the border between homely and magnificent)
     
    Right, but you're also hot for this chick. Your aesthetic sense may need recalibration. That guy looks like the hind end of a farm animal.


    https://i.ibb.co/4TxDM27/U8-VLg-q-R4e-1.jpg

    Is it because she's a billionaire, sort of? You figure she's a soft touch and you can hit her up? You must have some crazy expenses you're not telling us about.

    Replies: @SFG, @Anonymous, @Alfa158, @JimDandy, @BB753, @Anonymous, @tyrone, @Reg Cæsar, @R.G. Camara, @kaganovitch, @The Alarmist, @Inquiring Mind, @XBardon Kaldlan

    When I’m stuck in a day
    That’s gray and lonely
    I just stick out my chin
    And grin and say

    The sun’ll come out, tomorrow
    So you gotta hang on ’til tomorrow
    Come what may
    Tomorrow! Tomorrow! I love ya, tomorrow
    You’re always a day away

  183. @ic1000
    I recently streamed "Apocalypto." It's riveting, a glimpse of what a Hollywood built around artistic vision might have looked like. Extreme violence is core to a straightforward storyline of hunter-gatherers' collision with an advanced civilization. The plot also includes some heavy-handed elements to make the movie more commercially viable, IMO excusable compromises, if that's what it took to get the film made and marketed. Many or most people won't like it, and its stuff-of-nightmares should make it off-limits for adolescents. But an amazing achievement by Mel Gibson.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Twinkie

    I found Apocalypto to be the most gripping and appalling movie I’ve ever seen.
    As you say, an amazing achievement.

  184. “he straddles the border between homely and magnificent”

    Agreed. From some angles, his face on the big screen almost resembles Keanu Reeves — but with irregularities, as if Keanu’s wax figure from Madame Tussaud’s (if there is still a Madame Tussaud’s and Keanu is there) got left out in the sun. Yet Driver has a tremendous presence and his near-ugliness is riveting.

  185. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Twinkie

    I'm gonna go with the Cuban missile crisis movie, where KC actually attempted an accent. Understated movie, but good. I'm not a scholar of the event; for anybody who knows both the movie and the history --- was it portrayed accurately, or spun?

    Replies: @David In TN

    Thirteen Days (2000) was not “portrayed accurately. To say it was “spun” is an understatement. It was based on Bobby Kennedy’s posthumous book of the same title.

    Sheldon Stern has shown in his books the declassification of the White House Cuban missile crisis tapes has revealed RFK’s book to be inaccurate and misleading. He began writing it for JFK’s 1964 reelection campaign, but after the assassination changed the focus to advance his own political career.

    RFK claimed in Thirteen Days that he and JFK formed a united front for restraint against the military hawks. The tapes show RFK to have been one of the most hawkish in the room. Stern (who worked for RFK’s 1968 campaign) wrote:

    “RFK’s stance diring the ExComm meetings, which can only be fully understood in the context of his role in Operation Mongoose, turns out to be very different than the idealized and sanitized view he consciously crafted for Thirteen Days.”

    For a recent book, see “The Soviets’ Greatest Gambit: The Cuban Missile Crisis,” by Alan J. Levine.

    • Thanks: ic1000
    • Replies: @BosTex
    @David In TN

    David- Thanks for the book recommendation, going to have to pick it up.

    RFK was a very aggressive guy, so no surprise there was a huge variance between private advice and public statements, especially given political ambitions and his swing to the left post JFK’s murder.

  186. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Nancy Dowd is like Leigh Brackett. People who don't know are always shocked to find out Slapshot is written by a woman, and Brackett came up with some of the best set pieces in Empire Strikes Back.

    Roger Ebert famously panned Slapshot when it came out, probably out of feigned outrage on behalf of progressive feminists. He later realized it's a masterpiece.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHMi-j7W2gM

    Replies: @Lurker, @BosTex, @Ron Mexico, @p38ace

    I hate to disappoint you, but George Lucas threw Leigh Brackett’s script in the garbage. She never planned to have Darth Vader as Luke’s father. This was because George Lucas was starting a Stalinist purge to take over the franchise and purge out the memory of anyone responsible for the success of the first movie. The first movie was Gary Kurtz’s dream. He wanted a lighthearted adventure. Instead we get a Jack Kirby melodrama.
    I have seen Brackett’s scrpit and would have preferred that they had followed that.

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @p38ace

    She came up with the snow battle and the asteroid field chase, the cloud city, some of the most memorable bits in Empire.

  187. On the subject of movies…

    The British Film Institute’s magazine Sight & Sound holds a ten-yearly poll of film critics to determine the best movies ever made. In 2012, just before the Great Awokening, Vertigo topped the list, displacing Citizen Kane for the first time. This year the number of critics invited to participate doubled from 800-something to over 1,600, presumably with the aim of redressing the female/male divide. And… they ended up with three hour and twenty-one minute Belgian feminist movie from 1975 called “Jeanne Dielman, 23 quai du Commerce, 1080 Bruxelles” at the top of the list. (It was #35 in 2012.) Godfather Part II, Lawrence of Arabia and Chinatown fell out of the top 100. So what are the odds that the sisterhood got together and exploited ranked-choice voting to pick their winner? (There were a further three movies directed by women in the top twenty.) “Get Out” was ranked at #95.

    • Thanks: Yahya
    • Replies: @Renard
    @S Johnson


    Godfather Part II, Lawrence of Arabia and Chinatown fell out of the top 100.
     
    Oh yeah. Get Out is clearly better than those stupid flicks. These guys are really on top of their game now.

    The number of people who can even grasp what movies like The Rules of the Game or Wild Strawberries are about is diminishing rapidly. Very rapidly.

    And needless to add, this goes for all the other great achievements of European-descended culture as well. Into the dustbin with all of it.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  188. Anonymous[425] • Disclaimer says:
    @XBardon Kaldlan
    @Steve Sailer

    As a yute,I listened to a weird over nite radio show on my trusty FM radio around 1970. Hosted by a great Chicago personality named Wayne Julen.
    He played a lot of Bruce bits and I was fascinated.
    Bruce,a WW2 vet who claimed he got out of the Navy by pretending to be a "fag",😉was a man of the 50s; by the time the 60s began to happen,he was through.
    I didn't find him very funny because,for one,I didn't get many of his references.
    Sophie Tucker? Charles Laughton?
    But the audiences on his records were screaming. I just found him weird and amazing. An astonishing little man,who created bizarre worlds,like that of Father Flotsky the Jewish priest.It was a world that operated at nite,with jazz,drugs and hot willing chicks.
    I am a goyim,but one of those who finds Jewish " shtick" to be often irrestible.
    I have a little more understanding of him today,obviously. But when I was a teenage shmuck I loved him.
    Hope I didn't bore you too much,ya muffdiver!

    Replies: @Anonymous

    I am a goyim

    No such thing as “a” goyim. This is not like “elohim” well documented as a plural form of a singular noun, like “panties”. Buy a dictionary and USE it.

    More often than not, you have to have day jobs or other businesses that underwrite the maintenance of the farms and ranches.

    That’s called “paying someone else to do the work” just like the boss at your day job is doing. Sounds like your farm or ranch (two very different animals) is operating at a loss and is therefore a hobby.
    All overalls, no corn.

    Similarly I had to take a day job when I wanted to hire a maid.

    In other news, re: Girls Lena Dunham can suck it. One of the most disagreeable people on the planet.

    It’s probably a lot like Ghislaine Maxwell (what a retarded first name) and Jeffrey Epstein. Ghislaine was of course good looking (unlike this broad), but her obvious daddy issues and Epstein’s Hannibal Lecter-meets-a-porn-producer charm made her putty in Epstein’s hands, willing to kidnap teenage girls to be his sex slaves and pimp them out to other men and women at Jeffrey’s command.

    It’s a standard issue French name. Get over yourself. With that done, name one girl she kidnapped. Just one. Can’t, can you? More likely she was his M0ssad handler. Do the “Who’s still alive?” math after Epstein got his Tel Aviv Shoeshine.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Anonymous

    I agree with you no evidence of coercion has surfaced.

    A woman used to luxury is doing a long stretch in an American prison. I don't think she was the higher up in this case. I'd be interested to know what she was doing in New England when there were at least two other countries where she had permanent residency status and could put up a fight to avoid being turned over to the sketchy characters who work in the US Attorney's offices.

    Replies: @Curle

    , @Curle
    @Anonymous

    “More likely she was his M0ssad handler.”

    Absolutely.

    Just watched Netflix Ghislaine Maxwell story and it seemed a limited hangout as I understand the term. Jewish Maxwell and Epstein are pursued by Jewish lawyer Bois (to avoid pursuit by untrustworthy gentiles?) to ensure that focus of story and prosecution is limited to purported sex crimes as opposed to honeypot operation. Netflix plays role of useful fool.

    Replies: @Renard

    , @Twinkie
    @Anonymous


    That’s called “paying someone else to do the work” just like the boss at your day job is doing. Sounds like your farm or ranch (two very different animals) is operating at a loss and is therefore a hobby.
    All overalls, no corn.
     
    I was referring to other people’s family farms, not mine. My Midwest farmland is highly profitable (and professionally managed by trusts my wife and I established) while the farmland in Appalachia is too marginal for cash crops and is mostly used for horses and hunting.
  189. @BosTex
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Thanks Twinkie. No Way Out is a pretty good movie.

    I think the cast is just really great with Gene Hackman, Will Patton, Sean Young (I know she is a flake, but God she was a great looking woman) and Kevin Costner.

    My wife and I happened to catch it last spring and I hadn’t seen it in years and my wife had never seen it. Pretty taut story all the way through.

    Replies: @LondonBob, @Twinkie

    That was a great moment – when the main character finally finds the refuge and starts speaking…

  190. @duncsbaby
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Sorry, but let me cure you of your Yellowstone admiration:

    https://www.mediaite.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Kevin-Costner-Wears-Liz-Cheney-Swag.jpg

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Twinkie

    If I only watched movies or TV shows made by actors and directors who share my politics, I’d be watching Triumph des Willens and Olympia all day.

    I kid, of course.

    I don’t have a problem eating Ben & Jerry’s Ice Cream and I’ll watch Kevin Costner in Yellowstone even if he supports politically that old maid shrew of an elitist Liz Cheney.

  191. @ic1000
    I recently streamed "Apocalypto." It's riveting, a glimpse of what a Hollywood built around artistic vision might have looked like. Extreme violence is core to a straightforward storyline of hunter-gatherers' collision with an advanced civilization. The plot also includes some heavy-handed elements to make the movie more commercially viable, IMO excusable compromises, if that's what it took to get the film made and marketed. Many or most people won't like it, and its stuff-of-nightmares should make it off-limits for adolescents. But an amazing achievement by Mel Gibson.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Twinkie

    I recently streamed “Apocalypto.”

    That’s a criminally underrated film. I enjoyed it immensely.

    • Agree: LondonBob
  192. @Anonymous
    @XBardon Kaldlan


    I am a goyim
     
    No such thing as "a" goyim. This is not like "elohim" well documented as a plural form of a singular noun, like "panties". Buy a dictionary and USE it.

    @Twinkie:

    More often than not, you have to have day jobs or other businesses that underwrite the maintenance of the farms and ranches.
     
    That's called "paying someone else to do the work" just like the boss at your day job is doing. Sounds like your farm or ranch (two very different animals) is operating at a loss and is therefore a hobby.
    All overalls, no corn.

    Similarly I had to take a day job when I wanted to hire a maid.

    In other news, re: Girls Lena Dunham can suck it. One of the most disagreeable people on the planet.

    @R.G. Camara:

    It’s probably a lot like Ghislaine Maxwell (what a retarded first name) and Jeffrey Epstein. Ghislaine was of course good looking (unlike this broad), but her obvious daddy issues and Epstein’s Hannibal Lecter-meets-a-porn-producer charm made her putty in Epstein’s hands, willing to kidnap teenage girls to be his sex slaves and pimp them out to other men and women at Jeffrey’s command.
     
    It's a standard issue French name. Get over yourself. With that done, name one girl she kidnapped. Just one. Can't, can you? More likely she was his M0ssad handler. Do the "Who's still alive?" math after Epstein got his Tel Aviv Shoeshine.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Curle, @Twinkie

    I agree with you no evidence of coercion has surfaced.

    A woman used to luxury is doing a long stretch in an American prison. I don’t think she was the higher up in this case. I’d be interested to know what she was doing in New England when there were at least two other countries where she had permanent residency status and could put up a fight to avoid being turned over to the sketchy characters who work in the US Attorney’s offices.

    • Replies: @Curle
    @Art Deco

    Maybe her primary concern was avoiding assassination like her father. Maybe she wants to be in the one place Mossad can’t reach her (assuming that’s achievable at an American maximum security prison) or hidden in NH.

  193. @p38ace
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    I hate to disappoint you, but George Lucas threw Leigh Brackett's script in the garbage. She never planned to have Darth Vader as Luke's father. This was because George Lucas was starting a Stalinist purge to take over the franchise and purge out the memory of anyone responsible for the success of the first movie. The first movie was Gary Kurtz's dream. He wanted a lighthearted adventure. Instead we get a Jack Kirby melodrama.
    I have seen Brackett's scrpit and would have preferred that they had followed that.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose

    She came up with the snow battle and the asteroid field chase, the cloud city, some of the most memorable bits in Empire.

  194. @Anonymous
    @XBardon Kaldlan


    I am a goyim
     
    No such thing as "a" goyim. This is not like "elohim" well documented as a plural form of a singular noun, like "panties". Buy a dictionary and USE it.

    @Twinkie:

    More often than not, you have to have day jobs or other businesses that underwrite the maintenance of the farms and ranches.
     
    That's called "paying someone else to do the work" just like the boss at your day job is doing. Sounds like your farm or ranch (two very different animals) is operating at a loss and is therefore a hobby.
    All overalls, no corn.

    Similarly I had to take a day job when I wanted to hire a maid.

    In other news, re: Girls Lena Dunham can suck it. One of the most disagreeable people on the planet.

    @R.G. Camara:

    It’s probably a lot like Ghislaine Maxwell (what a retarded first name) and Jeffrey Epstein. Ghislaine was of course good looking (unlike this broad), but her obvious daddy issues and Epstein’s Hannibal Lecter-meets-a-porn-producer charm made her putty in Epstein’s hands, willing to kidnap teenage girls to be his sex slaves and pimp them out to other men and women at Jeffrey’s command.
     
    It's a standard issue French name. Get over yourself. With that done, name one girl she kidnapped. Just one. Can't, can you? More likely she was his M0ssad handler. Do the "Who's still alive?" math after Epstein got his Tel Aviv Shoeshine.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Curle, @Twinkie

    “More likely she was his M0ssad handler.”

    Absolutely.

    Just watched Netflix Ghislaine Maxwell story and it seemed a limited hangout as I understand the term. Jewish Maxwell and Epstein are pursued by Jewish lawyer Bois (to avoid pursuit by untrustworthy gentiles?) to ensure that focus of story and prosecution is limited to purported sex crimes as opposed to honeypot operation. Netflix plays role of useful fool.

    • Replies: @Renard
    @Curle


    ensure that focus of story and prosecution is limited to purported sex crimes as opposed to honeypot operation.
     
    Partly like the emphasis on the salacious aspects of Hunter's laptop revelations in the MSM, to keep everyone distracted from the high-level corruption also included.
  195. @Art Deco
    @Anonymous

    I agree with you no evidence of coercion has surfaced.

    A woman used to luxury is doing a long stretch in an American prison. I don't think she was the higher up in this case. I'd be interested to know what she was doing in New England when there were at least two other countries where she had permanent residency status and could put up a fight to avoid being turned over to the sketchy characters who work in the US Attorney's offices.

    Replies: @Curle

    Maybe her primary concern was avoiding assassination like her father. Maybe she wants to be in the one place Mossad can’t reach her (assuming that’s achievable at an American maximum security prison) or hidden in NH.

  196. @David In TN
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Thirteen Days (2000) was not "portrayed accurately. To say it was "spun" is an understatement. It was based on Bobby Kennedy's posthumous book of the same title.

    Sheldon Stern has shown in his books the declassification of the White House Cuban missile crisis tapes has revealed RFK's book to be inaccurate and misleading. He began writing it for JFK's 1964 reelection campaign, but after the assassination changed the focus to advance his own political career.

    RFK claimed in Thirteen Days that he and JFK formed a united front for restraint against the military hawks. The tapes show RFK to have been one of the most hawkish in the room. Stern (who worked for RFK's 1968 campaign) wrote:

    "RFK's stance diring the ExComm meetings, which can only be fully understood in the context of his role in Operation Mongoose, turns out to be very different than the idealized and sanitized view he consciously crafted for Thirteen Days."

    For a recent book, see "The Soviets' Greatest Gambit: The Cuban Missile Crisis," by Alan J. Levine.

    Replies: @BosTex

    David- Thanks for the book recommendation, going to have to pick it up.

    RFK was a very aggressive guy, so no surprise there was a huge variance between private advice and public statements, especially given political ambitions and his swing to the left post JFK’s murder.

  197. Somebody needs to make a follow up to Draft Day about how the Browns managed to draft Baker Mayfield over Josh Allen in the 2018 draft

  198. @Kim
    We're talking about great movies and nobody has mentioned Crank and Crank 2. smdh.

    Replies: @Sick n' Tired

    Or Demolition Man, which seems to become a more accurate depiction of the future every day now, even though it was released in 93.

  199. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Whereismyhandle

    It’s true that most of the artists I mentioned have some merit. I like Grimes, and get the appeal, especially to women, of LDR’s (studiously affected) vibe/voice/theatrics (see my full linked May comment).

    As for Haines/Metric, there might be a couple of okay songs, but the band is not great, IMO: The music (and lyrics) relies too much on her scratchy-throated tough-girl bouncy ‘swagger’—the music is evolved AOR for game, wanton chicks who grew up listening to Spice Girls-tier or more recent cheese and who are now adults and have been through a few rough relationships. NTTAWWT :)

    When Dave says Haines is a phenomenal live performer, I get what he’s saying—he likes her energy and her impressive legs. In an alternate timeline, they could be doing deadlifts together.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    As for Haines/Metric, there might be a couple of okay songs, but the band is not great, IMO: The music (and lyrics) relies too much on her scratchy-throated tough-girl bouncy ‘swagger’—the music is evolved AOR for game, wanton chicks who grew up listening to Spice Girls-tier or more recent cheese and who are now adults and have been through a few rough relationships.

    It’s impressive to be wrong this many times in one paragraph. Metric’s co-founder, guitarist Jimmy Shaw, was classically trained at Julliard; a lot of their songs don’t rely on “swagger”; their lead single from their current album is 10 minutes long–clearly not evolved for album-oriented radio (does that even still exist?); and Emily’s lyrics are hardly ever about romantic relationships. The one exception to that that comes to mind, Metric’s ballad “Eclipse” for the Twilight Eclipse soundtrack (silly movie, but great soundtrack), is also an example of Emily not employing any “scratchy-throated tough-girl bouncy ‘swagger’”:

    When Dave says Haines is a phenomenal live performer, I get what he’s saying—he likes her energy and her impressive legs. In an alternate timeline, they could be doing deadlifts together.

    Of the singers you mentioned, the only one I’m aware of that deadlifts is Lana Del Rey. Emily Haines moves more like a boxer.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Dave Pinsen


    Metric’s co-founder, guitarist Jimmy Shaw, was classically trained at Julliard
     
    Nice, but irrelevant to criticism of the band’s output.

    clearly not evolved for album-oriented radio (does that even still exist?)
     
    To clarify, by AOR I meant “Adult-Oriented Rock” which, I concede, can have different meanings. In Metric’s case, I mean alt/pop rock that is geared to listeners who are no longer teenagers:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult-oriented_rock

    A different name for it is AAA (adult album alternative):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult_album_alternative


    The format has a broader, more diverse playlist than most other formats. Musical selection tends to be on the fringe of mainstream pop and rock.

     

    Metric makes the list here:

    List of adult alternative artists

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_adult_alternative_artists#M


    Emily’s lyrics are hardly ever about romantic relationships
     
    I’m describing the attitude, not the content.

    Emily Haines moves more like a boxer.
     
    Sure, but that doesn’t contradict my assessment of her appeal to some (beyond music). I’m not even saying that in itself is wrong; I ain’t gonna police someone for being hornt on the timeline. :)

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    , @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Dave Pinsen

    Well, tastes come and go, and everything is subjective, but to me this just all sounds like banal club music.

    As to "moves like a boxer," try this on for size....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-15zCr_2DU

    Like Marceline the Vampire Queen once said, Everything stays.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

  200. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Danindc


    I met Liz Phair when I won a trivia contest on WHFS almost 30 years ago. She was my dream girl.
     
    Maybe she had some in-person magnetism, but her music (lyrics and sound) and performance persona is cringe. Any guy praising her as an artist is doing it for silly simp reasons: She’s hot and she’s raunchy and she plays guitar! Whoa!

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-decline-of-capitalization/#comment-5351988 (#7)

    Do guys who aren’t really into (new/good) music who go gaga for Lana Del Rey, Emily Haines (Metric), Grimes, and going back a bit, Liz Phair (zing!) appreciate more the actual music, or more the image and attitude of said dames? I think it’s the latter ...
     

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Inverness, @Whereismyhandle, @Danindc, @Hodag

    You’re making 18 year old me feel
    Like a real jerk.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Danindc

    Noooo! I don’t mean to ruin your nice memories. You were an 18-year-old dude; your celebrity crush was totally natural.

  201. @Dave Pinsen
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    As for Haines/Metric, there might be a couple of okay songs, but the band is not great, IMO: The music (and lyrics) relies too much on her scratchy-throated tough-girl bouncy ‘swagger’—the music is evolved AOR for game, wanton chicks who grew up listening to Spice Girls-tier or more recent cheese and who are now adults and have been through a few rough relationships.
     
    It's impressive to be wrong this many times in one paragraph. Metric's co-founder, guitarist Jimmy Shaw, was classically trained at Julliard; a lot of their songs don't rely on "swagger"; their lead single from their current album is 10 minutes long--clearly not evolved for album-oriented radio (does that even still exist?); and Emily's lyrics are hardly ever about romantic relationships. The one exception to that that comes to mind, Metric's ballad "Eclipse" for the Twilight Eclipse soundtrack (silly movie, but great soundtrack), is also an example of Emily not employing any "scratchy-throated tough-girl bouncy ‘swagger’":

    https://youtu.be/kV6gxgP7XUI

    When Dave says Haines is a phenomenal live performer, I get what he’s saying—he likes her energy and her impressive legs. In an alternate timeline, they could be doing deadlifts together.
     
    Of the singers you mentioned, the only one I'm aware of that deadlifts is Lana Del Rey. Emily Haines moves more like a boxer.

    https://youtu.be/3m2PrbXklA0

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Metric’s co-founder, guitarist Jimmy Shaw, was classically trained at Julliard

    Nice, but irrelevant to criticism of the band’s output.

    clearly not evolved for album-oriented radio (does that even still exist?)

    To clarify, by AOR I meant “Adult-Oriented Rock” which, I concede, can have different meanings. In Metric’s case, I mean alt/pop rock that is geared to listeners who are no longer teenagers:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult-oriented_rock

    A different name for it is AAA (adult album alternative):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult_album_alternative

    The format has a broader, more diverse playlist than most other formats. Musical selection tends to be on the fringe of mainstream pop and rock.

    Metric makes the list here:

    List of adult alternative artists

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_adult_alternative_artists#M

    Emily’s lyrics are hardly ever about romantic relationships

    I’m describing the attitude, not the content.

    Emily Haines moves more like a boxer.

    Sure, but that doesn’t contradict my assessment of her appeal to some (beyond music). I’m not even saying that in itself is wrong; I ain’t gonna police someone for being hornt on the timeline. 🙂

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    Sure, but that doesn’t contradict my assessment of her appeal to some (beyond music). I’m not even saying that in itself is wrong; I ain’t gonna police someone for being hornt on the timeline. 🙂
     
    All four of the women you mentioned are attractive, and all but Phair are younger than the 48-year-old Haines, but Haines has much better stage presence. Check out the Brooklyn crowd’s reaction to her at the beginning of the band’s acoustic interlude at their October 26th show.

    https://youtu.be/NJ0ySfD-cm8

    It’s not just about looks. One handicap Phair has is her guitar—you can’t move around much holding one. Emily only played guitar on one song in their set, and Shaw and Winstead (the bassist) stepped in on keyboards while she sang and danced. It’s just a lot more interesting to watch than four people standing still on stage.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Jenner Ickham Errican

  202. @Dave Pinsen
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    As for Haines/Metric, there might be a couple of okay songs, but the band is not great, IMO: The music (and lyrics) relies too much on her scratchy-throated tough-girl bouncy ‘swagger’—the music is evolved AOR for game, wanton chicks who grew up listening to Spice Girls-tier or more recent cheese and who are now adults and have been through a few rough relationships.
     
    It's impressive to be wrong this many times in one paragraph. Metric's co-founder, guitarist Jimmy Shaw, was classically trained at Julliard; a lot of their songs don't rely on "swagger"; their lead single from their current album is 10 minutes long--clearly not evolved for album-oriented radio (does that even still exist?); and Emily's lyrics are hardly ever about romantic relationships. The one exception to that that comes to mind, Metric's ballad "Eclipse" for the Twilight Eclipse soundtrack (silly movie, but great soundtrack), is also an example of Emily not employing any "scratchy-throated tough-girl bouncy ‘swagger’":

    https://youtu.be/kV6gxgP7XUI

    When Dave says Haines is a phenomenal live performer, I get what he’s saying—he likes her energy and her impressive legs. In an alternate timeline, they could be doing deadlifts together.
     
    Of the singers you mentioned, the only one I'm aware of that deadlifts is Lana Del Rey. Emily Haines moves more like a boxer.

    https://youtu.be/3m2PrbXklA0

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Well, tastes come and go, and everything is subjective, but to me this just all sounds like banal club music.

    As to “moves like a boxer,” try this on for size….

    Like Marceline the Vampire Queen once said, Everything stays.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    I generally find I need to listen to something 3 or 4 times before I can form an opinion on it, so I won't summarily dismiss the first PJ Harvey song in that 40+ minute concert video you posted, but no, she's not moving as well as Emily Haines. To be fair, though, she has two handicaps: a microphone with a cord, and ridiculous spiked heel boots. Then in the second song she adds a third handicap, a guitar.

    That's the first concert video of PJ Harvey I've seen, btw. I recall this song of hers wasn't bad though.

    https://youtu.be/-owLcSGhW1c

    It's the only one of hers I can think of.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

  203. @Danindc
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    You’re making 18 year old me feel
    Like a real jerk.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Noooo! I don’t mean to ruin your nice memories. You were an 18-year-old dude; your celebrity crush was totally natural.

  204. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Dave Pinsen


    Metric’s co-founder, guitarist Jimmy Shaw, was classically trained at Julliard
     
    Nice, but irrelevant to criticism of the band’s output.

    clearly not evolved for album-oriented radio (does that even still exist?)
     
    To clarify, by AOR I meant “Adult-Oriented Rock” which, I concede, can have different meanings. In Metric’s case, I mean alt/pop rock that is geared to listeners who are no longer teenagers:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult-oriented_rock

    A different name for it is AAA (adult album alternative):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult_album_alternative


    The format has a broader, more diverse playlist than most other formats. Musical selection tends to be on the fringe of mainstream pop and rock.

     

    Metric makes the list here:

    List of adult alternative artists

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_adult_alternative_artists#M


    Emily’s lyrics are hardly ever about romantic relationships
     
    I’m describing the attitude, not the content.

    Emily Haines moves more like a boxer.
     
    Sure, but that doesn’t contradict my assessment of her appeal to some (beyond music). I’m not even saying that in itself is wrong; I ain’t gonna police someone for being hornt on the timeline. :)

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    Sure, but that doesn’t contradict my assessment of her appeal to some (beyond music). I’m not even saying that in itself is wrong; I ain’t gonna police someone for being hornt on the timeline. 🙂

    All four of the women you mentioned are attractive, and all but Phair are younger than the 48-year-old Haines, but Haines has much better stage presence. Check out the Brooklyn crowd’s reaction to her at the beginning of the band’s acoustic interlude at their October 26th show.

    It’s not just about looks. One handicap Phair has is her guitar—you can’t move around much holding one. Emily only played guitar on one song in their set, and Shaw and Winstead (the bassist) stepped in on keyboards while she sang and danced. It’s just a lot more interesting to watch than four people standing still on stage.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Dave Pinsen

    One exception WRT a guitar limiting movement: Matt Bellamy of Muse playing the opening guitar melody of "Plug In Baby" while running down the catwalk during this concert in Rome. https://youtu.be/XCUZSS54drI

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Dave Pinsen


    the 48-year-old Haines
     
    Wow! I assumed she was at least 10 years younger. Nice.

    but Haines has much better stage presence
     

    It’s not just about looks.
     
    I agree, appeal is a total package—Haines checks off fit, game, attractive (with a ‘tough’ edge). Her voice stands out. She gives great ‘fan service’ and is a real performer. Singing and doing aerobics can work…

    For example, this Italo-disco video (not music) is oddly compelling: It's hard to look away from the crazy/cute face of the (lip-synching) girl screen right:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVDhKVDSGB8

    Metric’s music though? IMO: Bleah. Not terrible, but not good either. I liked “Help I’m Alive” when it came out, but that’s about it. I do give you credit for defending your taste and having a civil debate with a music snob: I am compelled to weigh in when certain artists are mentioned (in this case it was Liz Phair, not Metric).

    These things are subjective, of course, and I don’t mean to diminish your enjoyment of Metric’s music. I’m sure there’s music I’ve earnestly posted here which has left readers unimpressed.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

  205. @Anonymous
    @XBardon Kaldlan


    I am a goyim
     
    No such thing as "a" goyim. This is not like "elohim" well documented as a plural form of a singular noun, like "panties". Buy a dictionary and USE it.

    @Twinkie:

    More often than not, you have to have day jobs or other businesses that underwrite the maintenance of the farms and ranches.
     
    That's called "paying someone else to do the work" just like the boss at your day job is doing. Sounds like your farm or ranch (two very different animals) is operating at a loss and is therefore a hobby.
    All overalls, no corn.

    Similarly I had to take a day job when I wanted to hire a maid.

    In other news, re: Girls Lena Dunham can suck it. One of the most disagreeable people on the planet.

    @R.G. Camara:

    It’s probably a lot like Ghislaine Maxwell (what a retarded first name) and Jeffrey Epstein. Ghislaine was of course good looking (unlike this broad), but her obvious daddy issues and Epstein’s Hannibal Lecter-meets-a-porn-producer charm made her putty in Epstein’s hands, willing to kidnap teenage girls to be his sex slaves and pimp them out to other men and women at Jeffrey’s command.
     
    It's a standard issue French name. Get over yourself. With that done, name one girl she kidnapped. Just one. Can't, can you? More likely she was his M0ssad handler. Do the "Who's still alive?" math after Epstein got his Tel Aviv Shoeshine.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Curle, @Twinkie

    That’s called “paying someone else to do the work” just like the boss at your day job is doing. Sounds like your farm or ranch (two very different animals) is operating at a loss and is therefore a hobby.
    All overalls, no corn.

    I was referring to other people’s family farms, not mine. My Midwest farmland is highly profitable (and professionally managed by trusts my wife and I established) while the farmland in Appalachia is too marginal for cash crops and is mostly used for horses and hunting.

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
  206. @S Johnson
    On the subject of movies…

    The British Film Institute’s magazine Sight & Sound holds a ten-yearly poll of film critics to determine the best movies ever made. In 2012, just before the Great Awokening, Vertigo topped the list, displacing Citizen Kane for the first time. This year the number of critics invited to participate doubled from 800-something to over 1,600, presumably with the aim of redressing the female/male divide. And… they ended up with three hour and twenty-one minute Belgian feminist movie from 1975 called “Jeanne Dielman, 23 quai du Commerce, 1080 Bruxelles” at the top of the list. (It was #35 in 2012.) Godfather Part II, Lawrence of Arabia and Chinatown fell out of the top 100. So what are the odds that the sisterhood got together and exploited ranked-choice voting to pick their winner? (There were a further three movies directed by women in the top twenty.) “Get Out” was ranked at #95.

    Replies: @Renard

    Godfather Part II, Lawrence of Arabia and Chinatown fell out of the top 100.

    Oh yeah. Get Out is clearly better than those stupid flicks. These guys are really on top of their game now.

    The number of people who can even grasp what movies like The Rules of the Game or Wild Strawberries are about is diminishing rapidly. Very rapidly.

    And needless to add, this goes for all the other great achievements of European-descended culture as well. Into the dustbin with all of it.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Renard


    And needless to add, this goes for all the other great achievements of European-descended culture as well. Into the dustbin with all of it.
     
    Fear not, East Asians are mad for much of the "great achievements of European-descended culture," including great films. In fact, they were always more of great admirers of actual European films than most Americans.

    Replies: @Renard

  207. @Curle
    @Anonymous

    “More likely she was his M0ssad handler.”

    Absolutely.

    Just watched Netflix Ghislaine Maxwell story and it seemed a limited hangout as I understand the term. Jewish Maxwell and Epstein are pursued by Jewish lawyer Bois (to avoid pursuit by untrustworthy gentiles?) to ensure that focus of story and prosecution is limited to purported sex crimes as opposed to honeypot operation. Netflix plays role of useful fool.

    Replies: @Renard

    ensure that focus of story and prosecution is limited to purported sex crimes as opposed to honeypot operation.

    Partly like the emphasis on the salacious aspects of Hunter’s laptop revelations in the MSM, to keep everyone distracted from the high-level corruption also included.

  208. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Dave Pinsen

    Well, tastes come and go, and everything is subjective, but to me this just all sounds like banal club music.

    As to "moves like a boxer," try this on for size....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-15zCr_2DU

    Like Marceline the Vampire Queen once said, Everything stays.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    I generally find I need to listen to something 3 or 4 times before I can form an opinion on it, so I won’t summarily dismiss the first PJ Harvey song in that 40+ minute concert video you posted, but no, she’s not moving as well as Emily Haines. To be fair, though, she has two handicaps: a microphone with a cord, and ridiculous spiked heel boots. Then in the second song she adds a third handicap, a guitar.

    That’s the first concert video of PJ Harvey I’ve seen, btw. I recall this song of hers wasn’t bad though.

    It’s the only one of hers I can think of.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Dave Pinsen

    "I generally find I need to listen to something 3 or 4 times before I can form an opinion on it, "

    Spoken like a true gentleman, and a man whose critical opinions would be well worth genuinely considering and debating, here in this embarrassingly elastic age.

    There's actually quite a lot to dig up here, not so much in the immediate area of critical ideas, but also of what they imply.

    Maybe if you have the time, we'll get round to it.

    If you do, remind me to tell you the story (I swear it's relevant) of the Van Morrison vinyl records, the bottle of good Texas bourbon, and the naked ladies at the swimming pool of the Saint Cecilia Hotel. Cheers.

  209. @Dave Pinsen
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    Sure, but that doesn’t contradict my assessment of her appeal to some (beyond music). I’m not even saying that in itself is wrong; I ain’t gonna police someone for being hornt on the timeline. 🙂
     
    All four of the women you mentioned are attractive, and all but Phair are younger than the 48-year-old Haines, but Haines has much better stage presence. Check out the Brooklyn crowd’s reaction to her at the beginning of the band’s acoustic interlude at their October 26th show.

    https://youtu.be/NJ0ySfD-cm8

    It’s not just about looks. One handicap Phair has is her guitar—you can’t move around much holding one. Emily only played guitar on one song in their set, and Shaw and Winstead (the bassist) stepped in on keyboards while she sang and danced. It’s just a lot more interesting to watch than four people standing still on stage.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    One exception WRT a guitar limiting movement: Matt Bellamy of Muse playing the opening guitar melody of “Plug In Baby” while running down the catwalk during this concert in Rome.

  210. @Dave Pinsen
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    Sure, but that doesn’t contradict my assessment of her appeal to some (beyond music). I’m not even saying that in itself is wrong; I ain’t gonna police someone for being hornt on the timeline. 🙂
     
    All four of the women you mentioned are attractive, and all but Phair are younger than the 48-year-old Haines, but Haines has much better stage presence. Check out the Brooklyn crowd’s reaction to her at the beginning of the band’s acoustic interlude at their October 26th show.

    https://youtu.be/NJ0ySfD-cm8

    It’s not just about looks. One handicap Phair has is her guitar—you can’t move around much holding one. Emily only played guitar on one song in their set, and Shaw and Winstead (the bassist) stepped in on keyboards while she sang and danced. It’s just a lot more interesting to watch than four people standing still on stage.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    the 48-year-old Haines

    Wow! I assumed she was at least 10 years younger. Nice.

    but Haines has much better stage presence

    It’s not just about looks.

    I agree, appeal is a total package—Haines checks off fit, game, attractive (with a ‘tough’ edge). Her voice stands out. She gives great ‘fan service’ and is a real performer. Singing and doing aerobics can work…

    For example, this Italo-disco video (not music) is oddly compelling: It’s hard to look away from the crazy/cute face of the (lip-synching) girl screen right:

    Metric’s music though? IMO: Bleah. Not terrible, but not good either. I liked “Help I’m Alive” when it came out, but that’s about it. I do give you credit for defending your taste and having a civil debate with a music snob: I am compelled to weigh in when certain artists are mentioned (in this case it was Liz Phair, not Metric).

    These things are subjective, of course, and I don’t mean to diminish your enjoyment of Metric’s music. I’m sure there’s music I’ve earnestly posted here which has left readers unimpressed.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I’d give their music another try. As I said up thread, it usually takes me three or four listens to like something. The first time I heard them was on a YouTube recommendation when I was driving, and I skipped over them.

    They are an entirely independent band: they built their own recording studio and release records under their own label. So, however you want to label them, they’re following their own path.

    Here’s a thread with some of their songs along with some other good 21st century music.

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1527413711404777472?s=46&t=0MWn6hB-PK8JFAMZtd44sQ

    If you prefer albums, I’d start with Art of Doubt, which might be their best.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

  211. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Gary in Gramercy

    "(You can’t have only one favorite ‘Mats song. You just can’t.)"

    In this spirit, my actual favorite Mats song is/was their blistering live cover of "Gimme Shelter" (much much better than the Stones, natch) at the Beacon Theater, NYC circa 1987.

    True story: at that concert I had a paperback copy of Dostoievski's "The Idiot" in my back pocket, which I lost due to all the jumping around.

    The next afternoon, I went by the Beacon box office and asked, "I lost a copy of The Idiot here last night. Did anybody find one?"

    The lost and found guy went to check, came back and said, "Take your pick."

    There were nine.

    Replies: @Rouetheday

    I saw the ‘Mats November ’87 show at the Beacon (they had a concert in the spring of that year which may have been the one you attended). My main memory was of Paul suddenly stopping in the middle of “Can’t Hardly Wait” saying they couldn’t play the rest without the horns. Oh, and IIRC I had recently finished “Notes From the Underground” around that time.

  212. @Gary in Gramercy
    @Renard

    1. "Left of the Dial;
    2. Color Me Impressed;
    3. Bastards of Young;
    4. I Will Dare;
    5. Shiftless When Idle."

    Honorable mention: "Kids Don't Follow," "Johnny's Gonna Die."

    (You can't have only one favorite 'Mats song. You just can't.)

    Best 'Mats cover of another band:
    Three-way tie among "Temptation Eyes" (the Grass Roots), "20th Century Boy" (T. Rex) and "Another Girl, Another Planet" (the Only Ones).

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Rouetheday

    When I saw the ‘Mats in Charlotte in ’89 they covered the Georgia Satellites “Keep Your Hands To Yourself”- with the assistance of that band’s front man Dan Baird who bounded on to the stage from the audience as if it was all some spontaneous occurrence.

  213. @Renard
    @Hodag

    Did you see Miss Ryder in Turks and Caicos? She's a revelation.

    And is your favorite Replacements song "I Will Dare"?

    Replies: @Hodag, @JimDandy, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Gary in Gramercy, @Rouetheday, @Curle

    “Valentine” is my personal fave.

    “Tonight makes love to all your kind/ tomorrow’s pickin’ Valentine”. Sometimes I feel like ‘tomorrow’s’ never gonna come (insert sad face emoji).

  214. @Dave Pinsen
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    I generally find I need to listen to something 3 or 4 times before I can form an opinion on it, so I won't summarily dismiss the first PJ Harvey song in that 40+ minute concert video you posted, but no, she's not moving as well as Emily Haines. To be fair, though, she has two handicaps: a microphone with a cord, and ridiculous spiked heel boots. Then in the second song she adds a third handicap, a guitar.

    That's the first concert video of PJ Harvey I've seen, btw. I recall this song of hers wasn't bad though.

    https://youtu.be/-owLcSGhW1c

    It's the only one of hers I can think of.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    “I generally find I need to listen to something 3 or 4 times before I can form an opinion on it, ”

    Spoken like a true gentleman, and a man whose critical opinions would be well worth genuinely considering and debating, here in this embarrassingly elastic age.

    There’s actually quite a lot to dig up here, not so much in the immediate area of critical ideas, but also of what they imply.

    Maybe if you have the time, we’ll get round to it.

    If you do, remind me to tell you the story (I swear it’s relevant) of the Van Morrison vinyl records, the bottle of good Texas bourbon, and the naked ladies at the swimming pool of the Saint Cecilia Hotel. Cheers.

  215. @John Johnson
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    And of course, the greatest sports movie of all time is still “Slap Shot”. With “Semi-Tough” a close second.

    Nah it's Meatballs followed by Raging Bull.

    Replies: @al gore rhythms

    Chariots of Fire.

  216. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Dave Pinsen


    the 48-year-old Haines
     
    Wow! I assumed she was at least 10 years younger. Nice.

    but Haines has much better stage presence
     

    It’s not just about looks.
     
    I agree, appeal is a total package—Haines checks off fit, game, attractive (with a ‘tough’ edge). Her voice stands out. She gives great ‘fan service’ and is a real performer. Singing and doing aerobics can work…

    For example, this Italo-disco video (not music) is oddly compelling: It's hard to look away from the crazy/cute face of the (lip-synching) girl screen right:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVDhKVDSGB8

    Metric’s music though? IMO: Bleah. Not terrible, but not good either. I liked “Help I’m Alive” when it came out, but that’s about it. I do give you credit for defending your taste and having a civil debate with a music snob: I am compelled to weigh in when certain artists are mentioned (in this case it was Liz Phair, not Metric).

    These things are subjective, of course, and I don’t mean to diminish your enjoyment of Metric’s music. I’m sure there’s music I’ve earnestly posted here which has left readers unimpressed.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    I’d give their music another try. As I said up thread, it usually takes me three or four listens to like something. The first time I heard them was on a YouTube recommendation when I was driving, and I skipped over them.

    They are an entirely independent band: they built their own recording studio and release records under their own label. So, however you want to label them, they’re following their own path.

    Here’s a thread with some of their songs along with some other good 21st century music.

    If you prefer albums, I’d start with Art of Doubt, which might be their best.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Dave Pinsen


    Here’s a thread with some of their songs along with some other good 21st century music.
     
    I’m quite aware of that tweet: it, and the cited iSteve pop stars post, inspired my original critical comment back in May (linked to above). Under the MORE tag, I called out your music tweet:

    DP is a mensch and means well, but there’s a lot of forgettable random shite in here, from both sexes:
     
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-decline-of-capitalization/#comment-5351988 (#7)

    Normally I wouldn’t care about a music post on Twitter, but you went big and bold by mentioning the Sailer thread and tagging a few established accounts including Ted Cruz (LOL). Dave, the list was half Metric and the rest a shitty mixed bag. It’s like you were a Rip Van Winkle teenager who had never heard any music, discovered a stash of CDs of mainstream hipster-ish bands from the 2000s (aughts) and were blown away. And were so exited to tell everyone about your discovery! Bruh.

    Your ear needs an upgrade before going public with playlists. I say this because I care: You have a recognized public persona in the Sailer and Twitter spheres.


    LIVING IN FAME

    So you've got to live up to your name
    Or else I'll put you to shame, listen!

    If you say you a selector
    You a fe have good selection

    A-and I say if you say you a de special
    Man I say I want to know your potential

    You a say you a madness
    You a say you a de best

    But when I put you 'pon you feet
    A-some a-some a say you can't play de beat
     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x74Ojz41G4w

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @The Germ Theory of Disease

  217. @Renard
    @S Johnson


    Godfather Part II, Lawrence of Arabia and Chinatown fell out of the top 100.
     
    Oh yeah. Get Out is clearly better than those stupid flicks. These guys are really on top of their game now.

    The number of people who can even grasp what movies like The Rules of the Game or Wild Strawberries are about is diminishing rapidly. Very rapidly.

    And needless to add, this goes for all the other great achievements of European-descended culture as well. Into the dustbin with all of it.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    And needless to add, this goes for all the other great achievements of European-descended culture as well. Into the dustbin with all of it.

    Fear not, East Asians are mad for much of the “great achievements of European-descended culture,” including great films. In fact, they were always more of great admirers of actual European films than most Americans.

    • Replies: @Renard
    @Twinkie

    Classical music would largely have vanished from the U.S. already, were it not for Asians.

    And NE Asia has already supplied us with film directors of the first rank, which to my knowledge no other region has done, aside from the European-descended ones.

    Art and architecture are another matter: Asians have their own styles and aren't going to save euro descended styles, similarly with poetry and fiction and popular music...And other things which are already wrecked in the West.

  218. @Dave Pinsen
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I’d give their music another try. As I said up thread, it usually takes me three or four listens to like something. The first time I heard them was on a YouTube recommendation when I was driving, and I skipped over them.

    They are an entirely independent band: they built their own recording studio and release records under their own label. So, however you want to label them, they’re following their own path.

    Here’s a thread with some of their songs along with some other good 21st century music.

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1527413711404777472?s=46&t=0MWn6hB-PK8JFAMZtd44sQ

    If you prefer albums, I’d start with Art of Doubt, which might be their best.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Here’s a thread with some of their songs along with some other good 21st century music.

    I’m quite aware of that tweet: it, and the cited iSteve pop stars post, inspired my original critical comment back in May (linked to above). Under the MORE tag, I called out your music tweet:

    DP is a mensch and means well, but there’s a lot of forgettable random shite in here, from both sexes:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-decline-of-capitalization/#comment-5351988 (#7)

    Normally I wouldn’t care about a music post on Twitter, but you went big and bold by mentioning the Sailer thread and tagging a few established accounts including Ted Cruz (LOL). Dave, the list was half Metric and the rest a shitty mixed bag. It’s like you were a Rip Van Winkle teenager who had never heard any music, discovered a stash of CDs of mainstream hipster-ish bands from the 2000s (aughts) and were blown away. And were so exited to tell everyone about your discovery! Bruh.

    Your ear needs an upgrade before going public with playlists. I say this because I care: You have a recognized public persona in the Sailer and Twitter spheres.

    LIVING IN FAME

    So you’ve got to live up to your name
    Or else I’ll put you to shame, listen!

    If you say you a selector
    You a fe have good selection

    A-and I say if you say you a de special
    Man I say I want to know your potential

    You a say you a madness
    You a say you a de best

    But when I put you ‘pon you feet
    A-some a-some a say you can’t play de beat

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    It’s like you were a Rip Van Winkle teenager who had never heard any music, discovered a stash of CDs of mainstream hipster-ish bands from the 2000s (aughts) and were blown away.
     
    Rip Van Winkle more accurately describes the millennials I tagged (and Xer Ted Cruz) who were posting about music by bands formed before they were born. I wouldn’t be so uncharitable as to say their ears need upgrades; I think it’s more a matter of exposure, which my thread is meant to remedy.

    In the interest of intergenerational harmony, one of the latest additions to my thread: boomer Robert Smith collaborating with the millennial group Chvrches:

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1596409994400116736?s=46&t=EsoNE_BQgn2EzMok7rxg9Q

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    , @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    This (and the rest of this record) was actually created in a context of.... ehhh, I can't tell you about what happened backstage here, I dated some of the people involved, it's too personal. I was going to post it but then I realised, yoiks, the internet is forever. So best left forgotten. Cheerio.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

  219. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Dave Pinsen


    Here’s a thread with some of their songs along with some other good 21st century music.
     
    I’m quite aware of that tweet: it, and the cited iSteve pop stars post, inspired my original critical comment back in May (linked to above). Under the MORE tag, I called out your music tweet:

    DP is a mensch and means well, but there’s a lot of forgettable random shite in here, from both sexes:
     
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-decline-of-capitalization/#comment-5351988 (#7)

    Normally I wouldn’t care about a music post on Twitter, but you went big and bold by mentioning the Sailer thread and tagging a few established accounts including Ted Cruz (LOL). Dave, the list was half Metric and the rest a shitty mixed bag. It’s like you were a Rip Van Winkle teenager who had never heard any music, discovered a stash of CDs of mainstream hipster-ish bands from the 2000s (aughts) and were blown away. And were so exited to tell everyone about your discovery! Bruh.

    Your ear needs an upgrade before going public with playlists. I say this because I care: You have a recognized public persona in the Sailer and Twitter spheres.


    LIVING IN FAME

    So you've got to live up to your name
    Or else I'll put you to shame, listen!

    If you say you a selector
    You a fe have good selection

    A-and I say if you say you a de special
    Man I say I want to know your potential

    You a say you a madness
    You a say you a de best

    But when I put you 'pon you feet
    A-some a-some a say you can't play de beat
     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x74Ojz41G4w

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    It’s like you were a Rip Van Winkle teenager who had never heard any music, discovered a stash of CDs of mainstream hipster-ish bands from the 2000s (aughts) and were blown away.

    Rip Van Winkle more accurately describes the millennials I tagged (and Xer Ted Cruz) who were posting about music by bands formed before they were born. I wouldn’t be so uncharitable as to say their ears need upgrades; I think it’s more a matter of exposure, which my thread is meant to remedy.

    In the interest of intergenerational harmony, one of the latest additions to my thread: boomer Robert Smith collaborating with the millennial group Chvrches:

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Dave Pinsen


    Robert Smith collaborating with the millennial group Chvrches
     
    Total dreck. It’s a shame Robert Smith was involved.

    Rip Van Winkle more accurately describes the millennials I tagged (and Xer Ted Cruz) who were posting about music by bands formed before they were born.
     
    Do you have links to those posts? Could be interesting to see what got your attention.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

  220. @Twinkie
    @Renard


    And needless to add, this goes for all the other great achievements of European-descended culture as well. Into the dustbin with all of it.
     
    Fear not, East Asians are mad for much of the "great achievements of European-descended culture," including great films. In fact, they were always more of great admirers of actual European films than most Americans.

    Replies: @Renard

    Classical music would largely have vanished from the U.S. already, were it not for Asians.

    And NE Asia has already supplied us with film directors of the first rank, which to my knowledge no other region has done, aside from the European-descended ones.

    Art and architecture are another matter: Asians have their own styles and aren’t going to save euro descended styles, similarly with poetry and fiction and popular music…And other things which are already wrecked in the West.

  221. I took the chimpanzee family in Holy Motors to be a random, inexplicable allusion to His Monkey Wife, a novelette by John Collier (a very fine, under-appreciated writer, by the way).

  222. @Dave Pinsen
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    It’s like you were a Rip Van Winkle teenager who had never heard any music, discovered a stash of CDs of mainstream hipster-ish bands from the 2000s (aughts) and were blown away.
     
    Rip Van Winkle more accurately describes the millennials I tagged (and Xer Ted Cruz) who were posting about music by bands formed before they were born. I wouldn’t be so uncharitable as to say their ears need upgrades; I think it’s more a matter of exposure, which my thread is meant to remedy.

    In the interest of intergenerational harmony, one of the latest additions to my thread: boomer Robert Smith collaborating with the millennial group Chvrches:

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1596409994400116736?s=46&t=EsoNE_BQgn2EzMok7rxg9Q

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Robert Smith collaborating with the millennial group Chvrches

    Total dreck. It’s a shame Robert Smith was involved.

    Rip Van Winkle more accurately describes the millennials I tagged (and Xer Ted Cruz) who were posting about music by bands formed before they were born.

    Do you have links to those posts? Could be interesting to see what got your attention.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    Total dreck. It’s a shame Robert Smith was involved.
     
    Perhaps you could share some examples of what you consider to be good 21st century music? Whatever passes muster with your refined palate must be extraordinary; I’m looking forward to hearing it.

    Do you have links to those posts? Could be interesting to see what got your attention.
     
    This was the Ted Cruz one.

    https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1525696895087157249?s=46&t=EsoNE_BQgn2EzMok7rxg9Q

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

  223. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Dave Pinsen


    Robert Smith collaborating with the millennial group Chvrches
     
    Total dreck. It’s a shame Robert Smith was involved.

    Rip Van Winkle more accurately describes the millennials I tagged (and Xer Ted Cruz) who were posting about music by bands formed before they were born.
     
    Do you have links to those posts? Could be interesting to see what got your attention.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    Total dreck. It’s a shame Robert Smith was involved.

    Perhaps you could share some examples of what you consider to be good 21st century music? Whatever passes muster with your refined palate must be extraordinary; I’m looking forward to hearing it.

    Do you have links to those posts? Could be interesting to see what got your attention.

    This was the Ted Cruz one.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Dave Pinsen

    I think part of the difference in our tastes is you stick to the more bland/rando mainstream, and are unaware of or don’t like different genres like post-punk, darkwave, shoegaze, etc. that have revival/contemporary artists putting out new stuff, much of which used to be broadly called “alternative”.

    To your credit, I think in the past you were into some aughts/twenty-teens EDM like the kind David Guetta (or someone else?) is known to promote/produce; some of that stuff is good, but maybe a bit niche if trying to catch the attention of people with “boomer” tastes.


    This was the Ted Cruz [music post].
     
    Ah, thanks. His overselling of the song is not unexpected from a cornball politician, and it’s certainly not worth hitting him with a string of non sequitur Metric videos (he’s unlikely to ‘get it’). It’s fine for Cruz to post an Eagles concert clip of his night out, but ffs Ted, post something great like “Witchy Woman” or “One of These Nights”.

    Perhaps you could share some examples of what you consider to be good 21st century music?
     
    Since I started commenting here in 2016, I’ve posted plenty of music from the present era going back, almost always in context with a current topic or discussion. (Random music dumps are spammy.)

    Whatever passes muster with your refined palate must be extraordinary; I’m looking forward to hearing it.
     
    Dave, get quality speakers or headphones ready. Clear your schedule.

    Difficulty level: On-topic posts featuring good to great 21st-century music.

    Year: 2022, January through November.

    Bonus: music criticism included with some of the linked posts.

    In reverse chronological posting order, starting with a topical catchy trip:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/why-are-there-few-black-third-basemen-and-soccer-goalies/#comment-5676887 (#98)

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/nyt-dont-bother-voting-on-crime-because-whaddaya-whaddaya/#comment-5641099 (#10, track 2)

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/music-is-the-most-popular-thing-in-the-world/#comment-5612758 (#116)

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-big-time/#comment-5601486 (#3, posted ironically, but the song is actually good for its genre)

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/italy-3/#comment-5568319 (#40, center track)

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-steve-sailer-story/#comment-5560509 (#51)

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/nyt-maternal-instinct-is-a-myth-that-men-created/#comment-5514504 (#148)

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/slow-day-due-to-eye-surgery/#comment-5475829 (#20, obvious overplayed ‘meme’ song, but fits the criteria)

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/putin-takes-the-lead-in-the-global-struggle-against-white-supremacy/#comment-5456680 (#14, tweet track and first track on “natowave 2022”)

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/happy-80th-birthday-brian-wilson/#comment-5404076 (#14)

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/nyt-if-4-proposed-anti-mass-shooting-laws-had-worked-perfectly-since-1999-a-maximum-of-0-11-of-all-us-homicides-would-have-been-prevented/#comment-5377436 (#45—track 2)

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-decline-of-capitalization/#comment-5353476 (#90)

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/i-got-a-dog/#comment-5291239 (#21)

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/poland-here-us-and-germany-you-give-our-mig-29s-to-ukraine/#comment-5221406 (#132)

    As you can see, an oddly eclectic mix due to the constraints I placed, but a fair clump of decent tracks by no means representative of all the types of good stuff that's out there, or all that I'm listening to (my tastes, though broad, are not as pure 'pop' as some of the tracks).

    If I had the patience I suppose I could find all the 21st-century songs I've ever posted here since 2016, but that would take too long. Feel free to scroll my entire comments history to find some gems. :)

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

  224. @Dave Pinsen
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    Total dreck. It’s a shame Robert Smith was involved.
     
    Perhaps you could share some examples of what you consider to be good 21st century music? Whatever passes muster with your refined palate must be extraordinary; I’m looking forward to hearing it.

    Do you have links to those posts? Could be interesting to see what got your attention.
     
    This was the Ted Cruz one.

    https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1525696895087157249?s=46&t=EsoNE_BQgn2EzMok7rxg9Q

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I think part of the difference in our tastes is you stick to the more bland/rando mainstream, and are unaware of or don’t like different genres like post-punk, darkwave, shoegaze, etc. that have revival/contemporary artists putting out new stuff, much of which used to be broadly called “alternative”.

    [MORE]

    To your credit, I think in the past you were into some aughts/twenty-teens EDM like the kind David Guetta (or someone else?) is known to promote/produce; some of that stuff is good, but maybe a bit niche if trying to catch the attention of people with “boomer” tastes.

    This was the Ted Cruz [music post].

    Ah, thanks. His overselling of the song is not unexpected from a cornball politician, and it’s certainly not worth hitting him with a string of non sequitur Metric videos (he’s unlikely to ‘get it’). It’s fine for Cruz to post an Eagles concert clip of his night out, but ffs Ted, post something great like “Witchy Woman” or “One of These Nights”.

    Perhaps you could share some examples of what you consider to be good 21st century music?

    Since I started commenting here in 2016, I’ve posted plenty of music from the present era going back, almost always in context with a current topic or discussion. (Random music dumps are spammy.)

    Whatever passes muster with your refined palate must be extraordinary; I’m looking forward to hearing it.

    Dave, get quality speakers or headphones ready. Clear your schedule.

    Difficulty level: On-topic posts featuring good to great 21st-century music.

    Year: 2022, January through November.

    Bonus: music criticism included with some of the linked posts.

    In reverse chronological posting order, starting with a topical catchy trip:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/why-are-there-few-black-third-basemen-and-soccer-goalies/#comment-5676887 (#98)

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/nyt-dont-bother-voting-on-crime-because-whaddaya-whaddaya/#comment-5641099 (#10, track 2)

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/music-is-the-most-popular-thing-in-the-world/#comment-5612758 (#116)

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-big-time/#comment-5601486 (#3, posted ironically, but the song is actually good for its genre)

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/italy-3/#comment-5568319 (#40, center track)

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-steve-sailer-story/#comment-5560509 (#51)

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/nyt-maternal-instinct-is-a-myth-that-men-created/#comment-5514504 (#148)

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/slow-day-due-to-eye-surgery/#comment-5475829 (#20, obvious overplayed ‘meme’ song, but fits the criteria)

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/putin-takes-the-lead-in-the-global-struggle-against-white-supremacy/#comment-5456680 (#14, tweet track and first track on “natowave 2022”)

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/happy-80th-birthday-brian-wilson/#comment-5404076 (#14)

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/nyt-if-4-proposed-anti-mass-shooting-laws-had-worked-perfectly-since-1999-a-maximum-of-0-11-of-all-us-homicides-would-have-been-prevented/#comment-5377436 (#45—track 2)

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-decline-of-capitalization/#comment-5353476 (#90)

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/i-got-a-dog/#comment-5291239 (#21)

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/poland-here-us-and-germany-you-give-our-mig-29s-to-ukraine/#comment-5221406 (#132)

    As you can see, an oddly eclectic mix due to the constraints I placed, but a fair clump of decent tracks by no means representative of all the types of good stuff that’s out there, or all that I’m listening to (my tastes, though broad, are not as pure ‘pop’ as some of the tracks).

    If I had the patience I suppose I could find all the 21st-century songs I’ve ever posted here since 2016, but that would take too long. Feel free to scroll my entire comments history to find some gems. 🙂

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1599962140823420929


    Yowza! Anyone from Twitter checking out my list: be advised it is not a compilation of The Best Music of the 21st Century, it's simply songs posted I here this year that currently fit Dave’s, and my added criteria, combined (I had to limit it somehow). A more representative list of good and great music of the 21st century would be huge, and as such would be better broken into separate genres.

    P.S., I've heard plenty of good music, but I don't claim to have heard all or even most of it. There's so much stuff out there it's hard to keep track of it all. :)

  225. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Danindc


    I met Liz Phair when I won a trivia contest on WHFS almost 30 years ago. She was my dream girl.
     
    Maybe she had some in-person magnetism, but her music (lyrics and sound) and performance persona is cringe. Any guy praising her as an artist is doing it for silly simp reasons: She’s hot and she’s raunchy and she plays guitar! Whoa!

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-decline-of-capitalization/#comment-5351988 (#7)

    Do guys who aren’t really into (new/good) music who go gaga for Lana Del Rey, Emily Haines (Metric), Grimes, and going back a bit, Liz Phair (zing!) appreciate more the actual music, or more the image and attitude of said dames? I think it’s the latter ...
     

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Inverness, @Whereismyhandle, @Danindc, @Hodag

    For whatever reason there is a Liz Phair billboard at Belmont and Ashland right now. They are advertising something. I can’t remember what.

    I did buy her record and used to see her around town back when I used to go around town. Never really thought she was all that hot but she was pretty in a rich girl slumming way (which I loved back then, just not her).

  226. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Dave Pinsen


    Here’s a thread with some of their songs along with some other good 21st century music.
     
    I’m quite aware of that tweet: it, and the cited iSteve pop stars post, inspired my original critical comment back in May (linked to above). Under the MORE tag, I called out your music tweet:

    DP is a mensch and means well, but there’s a lot of forgettable random shite in here, from both sexes:
     
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-decline-of-capitalization/#comment-5351988 (#7)

    Normally I wouldn’t care about a music post on Twitter, but you went big and bold by mentioning the Sailer thread and tagging a few established accounts including Ted Cruz (LOL). Dave, the list was half Metric and the rest a shitty mixed bag. It’s like you were a Rip Van Winkle teenager who had never heard any music, discovered a stash of CDs of mainstream hipster-ish bands from the 2000s (aughts) and were blown away. And were so exited to tell everyone about your discovery! Bruh.

    Your ear needs an upgrade before going public with playlists. I say this because I care: You have a recognized public persona in the Sailer and Twitter spheres.


    LIVING IN FAME

    So you've got to live up to your name
    Or else I'll put you to shame, listen!

    If you say you a selector
    You a fe have good selection

    A-and I say if you say you a de special
    Man I say I want to know your potential

    You a say you a madness
    You a say you a de best

    But when I put you 'pon you feet
    A-some a-some a say you can't play de beat
     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x74Ojz41G4w

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    This (and the rest of this record) was actually created in a context of…. ehhh, I can’t tell you about what happened backstage here, I dated some of the people involved, it’s too personal. I was going to post it but then I realised, yoiks, the internet is forever. So best left forgotten. Cheerio.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @The Germ Theory of Disease


    So best left forgotten. Cheerio.
     
    Probably the smart move.

    Here’s an old Clash comment mentioning Sandinista!

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-alt-right-is-political-punk-rock/#comment-1559683 (#50)
  227. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    This (and the rest of this record) was actually created in a context of.... ehhh, I can't tell you about what happened backstage here, I dated some of the people involved, it's too personal. I was going to post it but then I realised, yoiks, the internet is forever. So best left forgotten. Cheerio.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    So best left forgotten. Cheerio.

    Probably the smart move.

    Here’s an old Clash comment mentioning Sandinista!

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-alt-right-is-political-punk-rock/#comment-1559683 (#50)

  228. @Renard
    @Hodag

    Did you see Miss Ryder in Turks and Caicos? She's a revelation.

    And is your favorite Replacements song "I Will Dare"?

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    Am I the only person on this thread to latch on to Alex Chilton because of the Mats?

  229. The best sports film is Youngblood. There is one scene where the great Eric Nesterenko teaches Rob Lowe how to fight. It is like watching a master artist in action. Eric did have 18 years of acting experience in the NHL.

  230. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Dave Pinsen

    I think part of the difference in our tastes is you stick to the more bland/rando mainstream, and are unaware of or don’t like different genres like post-punk, darkwave, shoegaze, etc. that have revival/contemporary artists putting out new stuff, much of which used to be broadly called “alternative”.

    To your credit, I think in the past you were into some aughts/twenty-teens EDM like the kind David Guetta (or someone else?) is known to promote/produce; some of that stuff is good, but maybe a bit niche if trying to catch the attention of people with “boomer” tastes.


    This was the Ted Cruz [music post].
     
    Ah, thanks. His overselling of the song is not unexpected from a cornball politician, and it’s certainly not worth hitting him with a string of non sequitur Metric videos (he’s unlikely to ‘get it’). It’s fine for Cruz to post an Eagles concert clip of his night out, but ffs Ted, post something great like “Witchy Woman” or “One of These Nights”.

    Perhaps you could share some examples of what you consider to be good 21st century music?
     
    Since I started commenting here in 2016, I’ve posted plenty of music from the present era going back, almost always in context with a current topic or discussion. (Random music dumps are spammy.)

    Whatever passes muster with your refined palate must be extraordinary; I’m looking forward to hearing it.
     
    Dave, get quality speakers or headphones ready. Clear your schedule.

    Difficulty level: On-topic posts featuring good to great 21st-century music.

    Year: 2022, January through November.

    Bonus: music criticism included with some of the linked posts.

    In reverse chronological posting order, starting with a topical catchy trip:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/why-are-there-few-black-third-basemen-and-soccer-goalies/#comment-5676887 (#98)

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/nyt-dont-bother-voting-on-crime-because-whaddaya-whaddaya/#comment-5641099 (#10, track 2)

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/music-is-the-most-popular-thing-in-the-world/#comment-5612758 (#116)

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-big-time/#comment-5601486 (#3, posted ironically, but the song is actually good for its genre)

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/italy-3/#comment-5568319 (#40, center track)

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-steve-sailer-story/#comment-5560509 (#51)

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/nyt-maternal-instinct-is-a-myth-that-men-created/#comment-5514504 (#148)

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/slow-day-due-to-eye-surgery/#comment-5475829 (#20, obvious overplayed ‘meme’ song, but fits the criteria)

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/putin-takes-the-lead-in-the-global-struggle-against-white-supremacy/#comment-5456680 (#14, tweet track and first track on “natowave 2022”)

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/happy-80th-birthday-brian-wilson/#comment-5404076 (#14)

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/nyt-if-4-proposed-anti-mass-shooting-laws-had-worked-perfectly-since-1999-a-maximum-of-0-11-of-all-us-homicides-would-have-been-prevented/#comment-5377436 (#45—track 2)

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-decline-of-capitalization/#comment-5353476 (#90)

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/i-got-a-dog/#comment-5291239 (#21)

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/poland-here-us-and-germany-you-give-our-mig-29s-to-ukraine/#comment-5221406 (#132)

    As you can see, an oddly eclectic mix due to the constraints I placed, but a fair clump of decent tracks by no means representative of all the types of good stuff that's out there, or all that I'm listening to (my tastes, though broad, are not as pure 'pop' as some of the tracks).

    If I had the patience I suppose I could find all the 21st-century songs I've ever posted here since 2016, but that would take too long. Feel free to scroll my entire comments history to find some gems. :)

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1599962140823420929

    Yowza! Anyone from Twitter checking out my list: be advised it is not a compilation of The Best Music of the 21st Century, it’s simply songs posted I here this year that currently fit Dave’s, and my added criteria, combined (I had to limit it somehow). A more representative list of good and great music of the 21st century would be huge, and as such would be better broken into separate genres.

    P.S., I’ve heard plenty of good music, but I don’t claim to have heard all or even most of it. There’s so much stuff out there it’s hard to keep track of it all. 🙂

  231. @HammerJack

    Adam Driver (whom I really like — he’s an Indiana kid who enlisted in the Marines after 9/11 and he straddles the border between homely and magnificent)
     
    Right, but you're also hot for this chick. Your aesthetic sense may need recalibration. That guy looks like the hind end of a farm animal.


    https://i.ibb.co/4TxDM27/U8-VLg-q-R4e-1.jpg

    Is it because she's a billionaire, sort of? You figure she's a soft touch and you can hit her up? You must have some crazy expenses you're not telling us about.

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    I am bothered by that junior miss pink skirt. Go with the pantsuit,please.

  232. @Greta Handel
    @Dumbo

    And patronizing Hollywood, TV, Sportsball, and other mass media isn’t merely a waste. Spending time and dime on this fluff endorses and sustains the degradation and dumbing down of our country — and you.

    Of course, many people here think they’re smart enough to nibble around the garbage in the trough. But I would guess they're still much more likely to have (i) rolled up their sleeves for Big Pharma and (ii) rooted for Raytheon in Iraq, Afghanistan, Venezuela, Ukraine, ad nauseum.

    Boycott the Establishment’s propaganda.

    Replies: @SFG, @Corvinus

    It’s not propaganda. It’s entertainment that people willingly enjoy. There’s nothing conspiratorial about it.

    “Of course, many people here think…”

    You don’t know better than us. We can make our own decisions about race and culture. You simply disagree with how we ought to live our lives.

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