The Unz Review: An Alternative Media Selection
A Collection of Interesting, Important, and Controversial Perspectives Largely Excluded from the American Mainstream Media
 TeasersiSteve Blog
Trump's Progress
🔊 Listen RSS
Email This Page to Someone

 Remember My Information



=>

Bookmark Toggle AllToCAdd to LibraryRemove from Library • BShow CommentNext New CommentNext New ReplyRead More
ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
AgreeDisagreeThanksLOLTroll
These buttons register your public Agreement, Disagreement, Thanks, LOL, or Troll with the selected comment. They are ONLY available to recent, frequent commenters who have saved their Name+Email using the 'Remember My Information' checkbox, and may also ONLY be used three times during any eight hour period.
Ignore Commenter Follow Commenter
Search Text Case Sensitive  Exact Words  Include Comments
List of Bookmarks

The NYT and FiveThirtyEight forecasts have split, with NYT thinking a Trump victory is highly likely, but 538 has gone back to giving Hillary a small lead in the chances of winning. But in case the NYT model turns out to be right …

From iSteve back in February:

Harry Baldwin has put together a Trumpified version of the headlines that supposedly appeared in the French government’s official newspaper Le Moniteur in March 1815 when Napoleon Bonaparte escaped Elba and astonished Europe by retaking the throne via courage and charisma, setting off his 100 Days that ended with his own personal Waterloo:

March 9, 1815 : The Monster has escaped from his place of banishment.

March 10: The Corsican Ogre has landed at Cape Juan

March 11: The Tiger has shown himself at Gap. The Troops are advancing on all sides to arrest his progress. He will conclude his miserable adventure by becoming a wanderer among the mountains.

March 12: The Monster has actually advanced as far as Grenoble

March 13: The Tyrant is now at Lyon. Fear and Terror seized all at his appearance.

March 18: The Usurper has ventured to approach to within 60 hours’ march of the capital.

March 19: Bonaparte is advancing by forced marches, but it is impossible he can reach Paris.

March 20: Napoleon will arrive under the walls of Paris tomorrow.

March 21: The Emperor Napoleon is at Fountainbleu

March 22: Yesterday evening His Majesty the Emperor made his public entry and arrived at the Tuileries. Nothing can exceed the universal joy.

Note: I’ve read these a million times, but I can’t vouch they’re really real.

Commenter Harry Baldwin writes:

February 24, 2016 at 3:06 am GMT • 300 Words (Edit-1334638)

If been thinking about a “Trump Marches on Washington” version of the “Napoleon Marches on Paris” piece Steve runs occasionally. Insulting names for Trump courtesy of Karl Rove, Charles Krauthammer, George Will, Jonah Goldberg, Steve Hayes, John Sununu, Rich Lowry, and Fred Barnes.

April 2015: The Complete Idiot announces he’s seriously considering running for the Republican presidential nomination. On Fox News, George Will looked forward to watching him crash and burn.

June 2015: The Al Sharpton of the Republican Party declared his candidacy in a rambling speech full of racist attacks on Mexican immigrants intended to rile up the teabaggers.

June 2015: The Bloviating Ignoramus has taken a lead in the polls, but it’s still the silly season. Voters haven’t yet taken a look at the more plausible candidates.

July 2015: The Bane of Humanity has insulted the war hero John McCain. He’s gotten away with his gaffes, insults and vulgarity so far, but this time he’s gone too far.

August 2015: The Clown described our champion as “a low-energy person.” Rather than join Trump in the gutter, Jeb understands voters will quickly tire of Trump’s childish banter.

August 2015: The Dancing Bear draws a crowd of 30,000 in Alabama.

September 2015: The Most Fabulous Whiner in All of American Politics continues to hold his lead in the polls. Fox New analysts are confident that Republican voters will soon get serious.

February 2016: The One-Man Wedge Issue said that George W. Bush lied to get us into Iraq. He’s done it now. Veterans, who revere the former president, are a major bloc in South Carolina.

February 2016: Trump wins New Hampshire and South Carolina, but if all candidates but Rubio drop out and he gets their votes, Trump can be stopped.

November 2016: Donald J. Trump has won the election. National Review publishes a special issues congratulating President Trump, featuring highlights of brilliant campaign. Fox All Stars offer him their counsel and assistance in instituting a true conservative agenda.

 
• Category: Ideology • Tags: 2016 Election, American Media, Donald Trump 
Hide 169 CommentsLeave a Comment
Commenters to Ignore...to FollowEndorsed Only
Trim Comments?
  1. It’s cool 🙂

    Congrats everyone!

    Let’s hope Trump can pound his ‘worldview’ into the heads of all the silly white people in this country.

    Remember, people are not voting for Trump because they agree with us. They are voting for Trump because Hillary is so obviously ill and old.

  2. Just woke up. Decided to turn on the phone. Prepared myself for a Clinton win. But… it looks like it’s Trump.

    OK, I’m sleeping back. If I can. President Trump…

  3. I mean, President Trump. OK, I should be sleeping.

  4. • Replies: @Judah Benjamin Hur
    Even that exit poll now has Jews at 24%, and I assume they're under counting the Orthodox who tend not to participate in exit (or other) polls, but are mostly for Trump. Prediction: Jews will be more Republican than Mormons in the lifetimes of some readers here.
    , @SFG
    Now it says 24%. About as well as Bush in 2004, better than McCain in 2008, Bush in 2000, or Dole in 1996, worse than Romney in 2012. No huge change.
    , @IHTG
    Fun fact: Israeli-Americans in Florida went overwhelmingly for Trump, helping him take the state.
    , @anon
    im jewish and voted trump as did my uncles and cousins. bro and sis didnt vote , mom voted cunton , dad voted cunton.
    , @Art
    Exits:, Clinton gets 74 percent of Jewish vote

    Oh my - mindless ZZ's (Zionist Zombies) fall right in line AGAIN - Big Jews win!
  5. When Baldwin came out with this I tried researching it online and was surprised that, I at least, could not find a definitive answer on its authenticity,even in this day and age of the interwebs.
    The closest I could get was that it was essentially true but the translation he used was a little more florid than the original French.

  6. Didn’t vote for Trump, but have to give it up to Steve. He called exactly this scenario four years ago. Electoral math says that the best route to Republican victory is to avoid the siren call of minority appeal and focus on rust belt whites. Totally went against conventional wisdom, and turned out correct.

    Congrats on your clairvoyance, Steve. Looking forward to the upstart of the Sailer Political Consulting firm.

    • Agree: wren, AP, Sean
  7. This could very well end up a full sweep- Presidency to Trump, House and Senate both to Republicans.

    • Replies: @workforlivn
    and the Supreme Court
  8. I always told you guys Trump was gonna win. Now it is only a question of by how much.

    I’m killing on the prediction markets.

    Wait till we see the demographic breakdown. It is going to be very cool…

  9. Trump is already past Romney’s total. This is a total repudiation of the Bushes.

  10. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/kampeas/status/796180022247591937

    Even that exit poll now has Jews at 24%, and I assume they’re under counting the Orthodox who tend not to participate in exit (or other) polls, but are mostly for Trump. Prediction: Jews will be more Republican than Mormons in the lifetimes of some readers here.

    • Replies: @SFG
    You wish.

    I wish, too.
    , @Moshe
    My Orthodox Jewish grandfather is a registered Democrats and has voted in every single presidential election. Twenty years ago he started voting for the Republican candidate and he's done so in every election since. He takes his Civic responsibilities seriously and is always more learn it on the issues than perhaps 98 percent of the electorate at his advanced age. Before you can congratulate him though, I should mention that this is the first election in his life time that he is not voted in. He thinks very lonely of both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump and even though he's strongly agrees with the policy is that Donald Trump touts, he, a rather conservative man, can't stand voting for Donald Trump the man. He feels terrible about not doing his civic duty but he feels that he didn't have an option. I know this will come across like a lead balloon here but I think we ought to respect conservative people, especially older conservative people, who are really turned off by Trump. My grandfather still hopes that he will win but he just couldn't bring himself to vote for him.
  11. Some sad news: Sheriff Joe Arpaio has lost his race for reelection. Let’s get him into the Trump cabinet ASAP.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    Soros put a fortune into the race against him.
  12. @Lot
    Some sad news: Sheriff Joe Arpaio has lost his race for reelection. Let's get him into the Trump cabinet ASAP.

    Soros put a fortune into the race against him.

  13. Congratulations President Trump! May Pepe be with you.

    • Agree: Lot, Whoever
  14. Poor Charles Krauthammer on Fox says a Trump win will mean a major realignment of the GOP such as has not occurred since Reagan. Then explains/laments that this means there will be no major party that cares about, i.e. Small government. 50 years after the 1965 Immigration act imports 65 million immigrants who don’t give a frack about “small government” Charles Krautahammer almost gets it.

  15. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/kampeas/status/796180022247591937

    Now it says 24%. About as well as Bush in 2004, better than McCain in 2008, Bush in 2000, or Dole in 1996, worse than Romney in 2012. No huge change.

  16. Looks like we’re in Brexit territory.

  17. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    Even that exit poll now has Jews at 24%, and I assume they're under counting the Orthodox who tend not to participate in exit (or other) polls, but are mostly for Trump. Prediction: Jews will be more Republican than Mormons in the lifetimes of some readers here.

    You wish.

    I wish, too.

  18. Whether Trump wins or loses tonight, nothing will be as satisfying as his performance in Michigan. Mitt Romney lost his home state, where his dad was once governor, by 9.5% in 2012. Donald Trump will either win it or will lose it just narrowly. Kinda smacks Mitt Romney in the face and wakes him up to how out of touch he and the RINO establishment are with the American people.

  19. Notice that the Democrat strongholds in Florida, Michigan, and Wisconsin are not turning in their vote totals.

    They need to wait to see how many votes they need to win before they “count” them.

    • Replies: @res
    Seems like it might be time for countermeasures. How about automatic audits for any districts that turn their results in late and differ more than a certain amount from the statewide result?
  20. Enough about the tribe. Who elected Trump:
    -Men
    -Whites (duh!)
    -Conservatives
    -45 and over
    -Some college or less
    -Whites without college degrees
    -$50K-<$100K
    -Small city or rural
    -Republicans
    -White evangelical or born-again Christians
    -Attend religious services at least once a week
    -Married
    -US military service
    -Country seriously off track
    -Condition of economy fair or poor
    -Family financial situation worse
    -Trade takes away jobs
    -Illegal immigrants should be deported
    -Build a wall
    -Dissatisfied or angry with federal government
    -I dislike the other candidates
    -Can bring needed change
    -Decided how to vote in September or October

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    Based on exit polls. Some things might be off, since exit polls were off, too.
    , @Olorin
    Women like the love of my life.
  21. As of 11:30 PM EST, Fox is essentially calling it for Trump, by giving him Wisconsin.

    This is like 1980, only better.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    And you were certain HRC was going to win. You'd better have some trenchant analysis coming up, Mr. Moore!
  22. It’s 11:30 p.m., and I’m simply agog. Love watching Blitzer on CNN, Will on Fox, in full desperate blither. Lots of “retirements” coming in the next months, I’d wager.

    Congratulations Steve. Your work has not been in vain. I’m grateful for the education I’ve received through your writings (dating back to your classic story on monogamy in the old NR). It’s been a pleasure spending the last year here with you and your many perceptive commenters.

    • Agree: Ivy
  23. @another fred
    Notice that the Democrat strongholds in Florida, Michigan, and Wisconsin are not turning in their vote totals.

    They need to wait to see how many votes they need to win before they "count" them.

    Seems like it might be time for countermeasures. How about automatic audits for any districts that turn their results in late and differ more than a certain amount from the statewide result?

  24. A night like this needs Shakespeare: “Thy life’s a miracle.”

    And the Karma Police:

  25. Well it was reassuring to hear President Obama tell us that the sun will still rise in the morning.

  26. Men of the West, stand and wait; this is the hour of doom.

  27. Even if Trump doesn’t win tonight the Sailer Strategy’s long exile is over. sailer has done for the idiotic GOP what Moneyball did for baseball. I hope you can turn tonight into a big, gigantic pledge drive. Count me in.

  28. Speaking of Obama, he’ll probably say something goofy like “a people have elected a president”.

    • Replies: @Steve in Greensboro
    "Speaking of Obama, he’ll probably say something goofy like “a people have elected a president”.

    And in the process, refer to himself about 108 times.
  29. Might want to take a look at C-Spans Live Stream Hillary Party.

    The disappointed look on the audience’s face is priceless.

    Also yay Utah. So much for that creep McMullin.

  30. Long-time reader, commenter and supporter of Steve’s work here. But I’ve never been able to get behind Trump. I’m not a supporter of Clinton or the Democrats by any means, and I have long wanted an “insurgent” candidate to shake things up, but I can’t see how he is qualified to be president.

    Now it looks like Trump will win, I have a couple of genuine questions for Trump supporters. Do you have any concerns about how he will manage international relations, wrt Russia/NATO, the Korean peninsula and the middle east? And do you think he’ll torpedo global efforts to reduce carbon emissions and limit global warming? (If you don’t believe in man-made global warming then I guess you can opt out of that one.)

    Not a troll. A concerned observer. Are the potential downsides of a Trump presidency a price worth paying for the upsides?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Who will Trump make Secretary of State?
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Do you have any concerns about how he will manage international relations, wrt Russia/NATO, the Korean peninsula and the middle east?
     
    As compared to what we have had before, or compared to HRC? Or maybe you are thinking that if I think that instead of Trump we could have elected Mister Rogers as US President? Which is it?

    And do you think he’ll torpedo global efforts to reduce carbon emissions and limit global warming?
     
    (1) Is global warming a bad thing? (2) If it is a bad thing, is it a consequence of human actions? (3) If it is a bad thing, and it is a consequence of human actions, do you want a market solution or a government solution? (Let me guess, you want a government solution.) And if you want a government solution, how does that differ from all of the other attempts to reduce us to serfdom?

    (If you don’t believe in man-made global warming then I guess you can opt out of that one.)
     
    (4) Why would you assume that 'believe in' has anything to do with the discussion?

    (5) Have you read the Chicken Little fable? (Or in your case, Chicken Licken?)
    , @reiner Tor
    I'm happy you're not concern trolling. Fortunately, I just found a very informative article that seems to answer at least one of your questions in detail. I haven't yet read it, but I'm sure you won't be disappointed.

    Enjoy!
    , @JosephB
    "Now it looks like Trump will win, I have a couple of genuine questions for Trump supporters. Do you have any concerns about how he will manage international relations, wrt Russia/NATO, the Korean peninsula and the middle east? "

    No. You just listed several reasons I voted for him. Why are we in a pissing contest with Russia over Syria? I don't see compelling US interests there. Certainly nothing worth going to the mat with Russia over. Looking at the Russian press, they are *pissed* about our actions. Neither side wants a war, but history is full of cases where neither side wanted a war but got one anyway. Armed men glaring at each other is not a stable situation. We got lucky with the cold war.

    For South Korea, why are we defending them from a country with half their population and a tiny fraction of their wealth? If they cannot hold off North Korea, it stems from a lack of willingness to fight for themselves. If you're worried about a Chinese invasion, I see that as unlikely. I'm even more skeptical of the Japanese trying to retake the peninsula.

    For the middle east, bin Laden's call to arms was the US had military bases in the middle east and supported the Saudis and Israel. I see Trump reducing the first two. I'm not sure where he is with Israel. If we've learned anything in the past 15 years, it is that taking down dictators often makes things worse. So I see the region becoming more stable and hating us less.


    With respect to global warming, put me in the skeptic bin. However, it doesn't matter much from a policy perspective. At present, there is no energy system ready to step up and take the place of coal and natural gas. The fundamental problem is that wind and solar are variable, and energy storage technology is not up to the task. Nuclear is plausible, but we'll need regulatory reforms to reduce costs and a large dose of Xanax for concerned environmentalists.
    , @OutWest
    Are you related to Edmund Burke? Your concerns echo his.

    About international relations; most Americans (as per the vote) don’t see much positive in the military end of our international meddling. Europe is probably adult enough to manage its/their affairs without our occupying presence. My hope is that we stay very strong on defense –but from a more passive and domestic position.

    Carbon is generally viewed as a problem but, in the U.S., most of the response has been of the mindless, opportunistic Al Gore variety. Rather than a challenge to be addressed it’s been more of an excuse for more top down and international power seeking. My view is that, from an engineering view there are a number of worthwhile responses such as breeder reactor power and modifying the Earth’s albedo. Put another way, it should be an engineering challenge not a political opportunity.
  31. Anyone seen The Practical Conservative? She had a lot of perceptive comments about the race…they look extremely perceptive now.

    I never had a clue.

  32. I’m listening to NPR. Just taking it in.

  33. @SFG
    Enough about the tribe. Who elected Trump:
    -Men
    -Whites (duh!)
    -Conservatives
    -45 and over
    -Some college or less
    -Whites without college degrees
    -$50K-<$100K
    -Small city or rural
    -Republicans
    -White evangelical or born-again Christians
    -Attend religious services at least once a week
    -Married
    -US military service
    -Country seriously off track
    -Condition of economy fair or poor
    -Family financial situation worse
    -Trade takes away jobs
    -Illegal immigrants should be deported
    -Build a wall
    -Dissatisfied or angry with federal government
    -I dislike the other candidates
    -Can bring needed change
    -Decided how to vote in September or October

    Based on exit polls. Some things might be off, since exit polls were off, too.

    • Replies: @Barnard
    Yes, they are still commenting on the mood of the electorate based on exit polls that had Alabama too close to call and Hillary winning Florida comfortably.
  34. Jake Tapper tearfully coming to grips with the truth of the Sailer Strategy! Think he’ll donate to the impending SailerPalooza Pledge Drive?

  35. Karl Rove is a blithering idiot.

  36. @SPMoore8
    As of 11:30 PM EST, Fox is essentially calling it for Trump, by giving him Wisconsin.

    This is like 1980, only better.

    And you were certain HRC was going to win. You’d better have some trenchant analysis coming up, Mr. Moore!

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    I'm perfectly willing to admit I was wrong, as I have said repeatedly. I went by the MSM polls, same as most. I will wait until it is called, but I am happy to admit I was wrong.
  37. Rowe just said that Trump won Wisconsin because of Ryan & Walker…

  38. I hope Trump follows Krauthammer’s advice to “get behind a movement to deny Ryan the speakership”, officially or not.

  39. @reiner Tor
    Based on exit polls. Some things might be off, since exit polls were off, too.

    Yes, they are still commenting on the mood of the electorate based on exit polls that had Alabama too close to call and Hillary winning Florida comfortably.

  40. @Rob (London)
    Long-time reader, commenter and supporter of Steve's work here. But I've never been able to get behind Trump. I'm not a supporter of Clinton or the Democrats by any means, and I have long wanted an "insurgent" candidate to shake things up, but I can't see how he is qualified to be president.

    Now it looks like Trump will win, I have a couple of genuine questions for Trump supporters. Do you have any concerns about how he will manage international relations, wrt Russia/NATO, the Korean peninsula and the middle east? And do you think he'll torpedo global efforts to reduce carbon emissions and limit global warming? (If you don't believe in man-made global warming then I guess you can opt out of that one.)

    Not a troll. A concerned observer. Are the potential downsides of a Trump presidency a price worth paying for the upsides?

    Who will Trump make Secretary of State?

    • Replies: @Another Canadian
    Newt? I think he knows where all the countries are.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    Let's not be hasty. There's still two months during which he could take a bullet. Fingers crossed.
    , @Rob (London)
    No idea. Someone good, I hope. Any thoughts?
    , @candid_observer
    Yeah, I think Trump is now in a bit of the position of the barking dog that finally caught up to the car.

    Now what?

    Good cabinet choices and listening to them are going to be critical.

    (Assuming he does actually win, which I'm not going to feel comfortable believing until the counting is really over.)
    , @utu
    Gen. Flynn best pick for Sec. of State.
    , @Montefrío
    Pray it's Pat Buchanan!
    , @Lawrence Fitton
    whomever the republican lobbyists trump is relying upon to outfit his regime will pick the secretary of state.
    nothing has changed. nothing will change. there is not much difference between the two major parties. the duopoly is the money party. the duopoly is the war party. the coporocracy runs the show.
    and as philosopher emma goldman noted, if voting changed anything it would be banned.
  41. @stillCARealist
    And you were certain HRC was going to win. You'd better have some trenchant analysis coming up, Mr. Moore!

    I’m perfectly willing to admit I was wrong, as I have said repeatedly. I went by the MSM polls, same as most. I will wait until it is called, but I am happy to admit I was wrong.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    My 7 yo son was in his tap class tonight and he and all his little girl friends in there relayed that their mommies had all voted for Trump. Very cute that they were clued into the election and that they're all Trump families.
  42. @Steve Sailer
    Who will Trump make Secretary of State?

    Newt? I think he knows where all the countries are.

  43. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Columbia district 93-4 for Clinton looks cool.
    Columbia district is known to have the least achieving, dumber students of all the USA.

    Utah, which gives the country a lot of high-SAT home-schooled learners, has Clinton at 21.5%.

    This is a battle between 21th cent. corporate socialism, monopolists other corrupt elites and the mob deluded into supporting them vs the achieving class who mind not only their personal business but still have such a concept like “their country” in mind.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor

    Utah, which gives the country a lot of high-SAT home-schooled learners, has Clinton at 21.5%.
     
    And Ecuck McMullin also at 20% or so. No Mormocaust this year.
  44. @Steve Sailer
    Who will Trump make Secretary of State?

    Let’s not be hasty. There’s still two months during which he could take a bullet. Fingers crossed.

  45. @Steve Sailer
    Who will Trump make Secretary of State?

    No idea. Someone good, I hope. Any thoughts?

    • Replies: @neprof
    Pat Buchanan if he's up to it, else John Bolton
    , @Rod1963
    As long as the person chosen isn't a Neo-Con or aligned with them, it will be a good choice.

    And one that doesn't have a penchant for shaking down foreign nations for money in return for favors.
    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    I would like the next Secretary of State to be Sen. Jeff Sessions.
  46. What happened to that “Boethius” character and all the other Hillary! shills on here?
    Fuck you is what happened.

    • LOL: Jack Hanson
    • Replies: @random observer
    That gave me a chuckle, especially since the nom de plume Boethius should be held by someone on the right in this age of our civilization. We most need the consolations of philosophy, even if Trump won't be reading it with us.

    For my part, I have my concerns about Trump. I don't see how he doesn't come across to some as boorish and clueless, and uninterested in getting a clue. I worry he will start a war by unhappy accident that my country will be implicated in [Canada- we join most of America's wars, though we skipped the really stupid one in 03. And Vietnam, which was less stupid but wouldn't have done us any good at all].

    On the other hand, I have hope that to some degree it's a persona, to some degree it's just a man of decent instincts who will allow himself to learn into the job, and somehow it will all work. And it's nice if he doesn't start an equally stupid war as deliberate policy, as Hill would.

    And I am entirely agreed that it's nice Americans have someone who thinks American interests matter.

    And I hope that his movement will build in a direction a little less racialist and a little more citizenist over time. There is room for that. And, although in my dreams I am on board with it not happening, we need it. Majority minority will probably happen. You need to prepare. Perhaps so do we.

    Sorry to ramble.

    For the record, there is a big part of me that is thrilled. And a bigger part of me thrilled that all my coworkers are verklempt. A young millennial colleague, who has been loudly vocal on these issues in the most sneering and patronizing ways, is not in today. It could be for any of a dozen reasons.

    But I hope it's because he is still in the fetal position, weeping hot tears and unable to control his digestive tract.

    (Sorry to share that much personal venom. Some things can't be contained.) Congratulations to all in this house. Long may it go on.
  47. @Rob (London)
    No idea. Someone good, I hope. Any thoughts?

    Pat Buchanan if he’s up to it, else John Bolton

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    Are you kidding? Bolton is an Israel Firster and the very whiff of anyone like him or his ilk will indicate that DT will only disappoint.
    , @utu
    John Bolton? Are you insane? He is the worst hawk neocon (non Jewish though).
    , @Talha
    John Bolton??!! Good God Almighty - everyone grab your pitchforks!!!

    Buchanan is good - an almost a polar opposite. He, or the good Dr. Ron Paul, would be an excellent choice for our international face!

    Peace.

    , @RadicalCenter
    That makes no sense, given that Bolton's worldview and philosophy on using military force is NOTHING like Buchanan's.

    I hope to God that Trump keeps Bolton out of the government.

    Bring both Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul in as foreign-policy advisors.

    Also would like to see Trump consult closely and ally himself with Rand Paul in the Senate and Justin Amash and his crew in the House, especially on the need to keep us the Hell out of more military interventions, bombings, dronings, and sanctions.
  48. Hey (((Owen))), would you like to submit a revised electoral college map?

  49. If nothing is done regarding immigration, this is the last or second last time we celebrate on the eve of an Election.

  50. @Steve Sailer
    Who will Trump make Secretary of State?

    Yeah, I think Trump is now in a bit of the position of the barking dog that finally caught up to the car.

    Now what?

    Good cabinet choices and listening to them are going to be critical.

    (Assuming he does actually win, which I’m not going to feel comfortable believing until the counting is really over.)

    • Replies: @NOTA
    Yep. I have no idea what he will do as president, if he wins (that's what it looks like right now). Given his general lack of interest in policy details, I'm not so sure he knows, either. The ruling class was doing a shitty job of running things, and they deserved the defeats they've suffered at Trump's hands. But I've got a very bad feeling about Trump's actual ability to do better.
    , @Anonymous
    What's the lowdown on Steven Mnuchin? Could be Treasury Secretary.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Mnuchin

    Uh oh. A Goldman Sachs insider.
  51. Has Tiny Duck weighed in?

    I really wish I could be see and hear the fury and anguish of Hillary, George Soros, John McCain, John Kasich, the whole stinking Bush clan, George Will, Glenn Beck, Marl Levin, Jonah Goldberg, John Podhoretz, Steve Hayes, the NY Times editorial board, NPR, etc. I have CNN on and got to savor Van Jones’ diatribe. (Insert Nelson “Ha-ha.”)

    Question: A lot of powerful people have invested tens of millions of dollars in Hillary’s campaign in expectation of future favors. Some of these people are very unsavory. How are they going to react to Hillary’s collapse? Good thing for her she has Secret Service protection.

    Question: As a commenter on iSteve asked recently, will Carlos Slim and Jeff Bezos decide that their investments in prestige media has not paid off in political influence and pull the plug?

    Cue end scene of Kingsmen when the world’s elite have their heads explode.

    • Replies: @Seneca
    I never visit the Huffington Post or Slate or other pseudo multi-cultural left wing sites (with their relentless White male bashing), because I worry what reading that swill will do to my blood pressure.

    Some of my friends like to visit to see what the other side is thinking.

    Today in the aftermath of Trump's victory, I couldn't resist visiting.

    I am happy to say that schadenfreude feels good like I suspected it would.

    I knew i would have been very disappointed if Hillary won, but the MSM polls had at least prepared me for that possibility. On the other hand nurse Ratchet's supporters were totally convinced she would win. Oh there is no pain like the pain of pride goeth before a fall. I think de Tocqueville theorized that most revolutions happen when people 's rising expectations are dashed. I can see why. These people have been gobsmacked, and are in a state of shock.

    The he amount of emotional pain, shock, and outrage that the SJW bots are experiencing on those sites is mind blowing. They actually think Trump is the new Hitler and abortion will be illegal and women and blacks will be put back in chains, etc....

    It is quite astonishing.

    But I have to admit kinda of enjoyable in a schadenfreude type of way.

    Though it is a little bit frightening when I realize how crazy some of these people are.

    Between trying to calm these people down and dealing with cuckservative traitors in his own party. Trump definitely has his work cut out for him.

    Buckle up I think the ride is about to get even more interesting.

    How he deals with the DC establishment of the two parties is going to be fascinating.
    , @annamaria
    "A lot of powerful people have invested tens of millions of dollars in Hillary’s campaign.."

    Excellent. Let them have some light in their upper protrusions: the US is not a Saudi Arabia yet.

    Also, by "handling" Bernie, the DC machine has broken the DC party' spine, making the whole party paraplegic. Mrs. Clinton is entering the history books as a protagonist of some very interesting stories to tell. The Podesta-WhiteHouse, Epstein-Cinton-Dershowitz, Saudis-Pentagon, and other axes make the fantastic material for illustrating the cynicism, corruption, and audacity of unsupervised power.

  52. Juan Williams’ head is exploding about Trump being a vindictive bully. Fox News is a vapid mouthpiece for Establishment Inc. but it’s the best we’ve got.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    Fox news is plain Murdoch disinformation and you can well do without it. You'd be better off sticking to alternatives on the net. The more you can do to encourage the media liars to go bankrupt the better off you will be.
  53. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “Do you have any concerns about how he will manage international relations, wrt Russia/NATO, the Korean peninsula and the middle east?”

    You mean compared to “We came, we saw, he died” and we still have a complete mess in Libya that has resulted in that rush of refugees from Africa into Europe? You mean compared to that? Couple SF guys got killed in Afghanistan yesterday, 3 in Jordan. No end apparently in sight. “A state has never profited from a long war.” I wonder what Sun-Tsu would say about leaders who engage in endless wars, apparently without concern for human cost? And, by the way, secret wars.

    “Leaks indicate US support for Libya’s Haftar:
    Libyan media release recordings of conversations between “US pilots and airbase controlled by renegade general Haftar
    , Al Jazeera, 8-Nov-2016:

    “…The conversations, which were published on Tuesday, included communications between Banina airbase in Benghazi and other regional airbases under NATO command…

    …different types of aircraft used for military transport, including suspected US Air Force planes such as the CN-35…

    …The aircraft are thought to have been helping Haftar in his fights…

    …at least 14 flights have taken place between Banina airbase and other airbases used by NATO… ”

    Hum, they probably mean CASA CN-235s.

    Drone strikes in Yemen

    “January 2002-present

    Status Ongoing

    113-144 drone strikes launched

    42 AQAP leaders killed

    891-1,124 militants killed or 470-744 militants killed

    65-105 civilians killed

    …2016… On October 21, US said it killed five AQAP fighters in an airstrike in Marib Province…”

    Genuine question for you. Do you really want Hillary Clinton in charge of the drones over your head? Do you think she is capable of being Commander in Chief? Why do you think she is more qualified to “manage international relations” then somebody who has been negotiating all his life? She has an extensive track record. (They both do.) What do you see in her record?

  54. @SFG
    Enough about the tribe. Who elected Trump:
    -Men
    -Whites (duh!)
    -Conservatives
    -45 and over
    -Some college or less
    -Whites without college degrees
    -$50K-<$100K
    -Small city or rural
    -Republicans
    -White evangelical or born-again Christians
    -Attend religious services at least once a week
    -Married
    -US military service
    -Country seriously off track
    -Condition of economy fair or poor
    -Family financial situation worse
    -Trade takes away jobs
    -Illegal immigrants should be deported
    -Build a wall
    -Dissatisfied or angry with federal government
    -I dislike the other candidates
    -Can bring needed change
    -Decided how to vote in September or October

    Women like the love of my life.

  55. @Rob (London)
    No idea. Someone good, I hope. Any thoughts?

    As long as the person chosen isn’t a Neo-Con or aligned with them, it will be a good choice.

    And one that doesn’t have a penchant for shaking down foreign nations for money in return for favors.

  56. @SPMoore8
    I'm perfectly willing to admit I was wrong, as I have said repeatedly. I went by the MSM polls, same as most. I will wait until it is called, but I am happy to admit I was wrong.

    My 7 yo son was in his tap class tonight and he and all his little girl friends in there relayed that their mommies had all voted for Trump. Very cute that they were clued into the election and that they’re all Trump families.

  57. Trump, before he got a tad too political, supported national health care (single payer), higher taxes and tariffs on imports to protect American (mostly blue collar) jobs, using public money to build bridges, roads, hospitals and create ready jobs; Mr. Trump also supported abortion rights, same-sex marriage (he opposed DOMA), opposed the Citizens United decision and was a supporter and advocate for Planned Parenthood. Unlike other Republicans, he insisted that Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid must be protected.

    He was always a moderate who simply maintained that laws should be followed, else they didn’t mean anything, and that includes borders and immigration.

    Here he was, speaking to Republicans at the primary debate:

    “We have done a tremendous disservice not only to the Middle East — we’ve done a tremendous disservice to humanity. The people that have been killed, the people that have been wiped away — and for what? It’s not like we had victory. It’s a mess. The Middle East is totally destabilized, a total and complete mess. I wish we had the 4 trillion dollars or 5 trillion dollars. I wish it were spent right here in the United States on schools, hospitals, roads, bridges, and everything else that is all falling apart!”

    Let’s hope that he remembers some or maybe even all of what he stood for, before too many ‘minders’ got into the mix. But who am I to second-guess his strategy, if he’s really slain the Dreaded Hildebeest this evening? Oh, and Patrick Buchanan for Secy of State.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    See my #20 or #21 comment on Pat Buchanan's latest article as support for the view contained within your comment that the American ruling class (all factions combined) have blown it since 1990 by squandering the peace dividend on expensive and counterproductive wars instead of attending to the elementary desire of potential voters in a democracy to see their lives gradually improving....
    , @random observer
    I'm coming from the outside, from dread Canada, so take it for what it's worth.

    Unlike Mark Steyn these many years, I'm not buying that our single payer health care is a tyrannical measure depriving us of freedom. It has many {!} problems, but that's nuts. If we had anyone here interested in freedom, that wouldn't be used against them any more than the rest of our public infrastructure would be, if they were operating within the legal political system however vociferously. If they were engaged in rebellion, lack of health care would presumably not be a problem anyway.

    So I never got that particular notion. Health care can be a market commodity, or it can be a utility. Maybe the latter can still have market players on the edge, like almost all non-Canadian versions. Either way, America's succession of hybrids have looked like one mess after another at least to me. Krauthammer moaning about Obama nationalizing "one sixth of the economy" always made me think, what kind of messed up place has 1/6 of a huge economy tied up in health insurance? That's unproductive GDP of the most extreme form.

    Like I said, take it for what it's worth.

    On some of the other socon issues, I'm sort of with the American right. But I never cared much about gay marriage and that issue is not coming back. Gay people have always been with us, and since I'm not religious and know that civil marriage has been around for a couple of centuries, I can't get worked up about this purely governmental function being available to gays. The churches should be free to not do them.

    For the rest, were I in America, I'd probably cheer Donald on if he were to implement every bit of the agenda you mentioned in some sort of nationalist, citizenist framework. If he managed a fraction of that, he'd probably be saving America, its identity as a republic, his party, the right, and even the rest of us all together. It's about the only way to get something of a Trumpist program through and make it stick for the long haul by winning over some people. That has to be done sooner rather than later for victory to last.
  58. @candid_observer
    Yeah, I think Trump is now in a bit of the position of the barking dog that finally caught up to the car.

    Now what?

    Good cabinet choices and listening to them are going to be critical.

    (Assuming he does actually win, which I'm not going to feel comfortable believing until the counting is really over.)

    Yep. I have no idea what he will do as president, if he wins (that’s what it looks like right now). Given his general lack of interest in policy details, I’m not so sure he knows, either. The ruling class was doing a shitty job of running things, and they deserved the defeats they’ve suffered at Trump’s hands. But I’ve got a very bad feeling about Trump’s actual ability to do better.

    • Replies: @Federalist
    You missed the deadline for concern trolling.
  59. “But Trump knew something they didn’t know…Trump had always been lucky.”

  60. @Anonymous
    Columbia district 93-4 for Clinton looks cool.
    Columbia district is known to have the least achieving, dumber students of all the USA.

    Utah, which gives the country a lot of high-SAT home-schooled learners, has Clinton at 21.5%.

    This is a battle between 21th cent. corporate socialism, monopolists other corrupt elites and the mob deluded into supporting them vs the achieving class who mind not only their personal business but still have such a concept like "their country" in mind.

    Utah, which gives the country a lot of high-SAT home-schooled learners, has Clinton at 21.5%.

    And Ecuck McMullin also at 20% or so. No Mormocaust this year.

    • Replies: @Dew
    Mitt Romney cant be happy that his egg-headed agent didn't make enough of difference. A distraction just like a certain Utah politician said of Trump after the pussy tape debacle (what a difference that made right?).
    , @antipater_1
    Looking at the Utah numbers, I think Egg McMuffin took away more votes from Crooked Hillary than he did from Trump. Another backfiring NeverTrump strategy!
  61. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/kampeas/status/796180022247591937

    Fun fact: Israeli-Americans in Florida went overwhelmingly for Trump, helping him take the state.

  62. Tonight my grade-school daughter asked if Hillary had killed people. Apparently she heard someone saying it at her school.

    My response? Well kid, she did start a few wars.

  63. @reiner Tor

    Utah, which gives the country a lot of high-SAT home-schooled learners, has Clinton at 21.5%.
     
    And Ecuck McMullin also at 20% or so. No Mormocaust this year.

    Mitt Romney cant be happy that his egg-headed agent didn’t make enough of difference. A distraction just like a certain Utah politician said of Trump after the pussy tape debacle (what a difference that made right?).

  64. @candid_observer
    Yeah, I think Trump is now in a bit of the position of the barking dog that finally caught up to the car.

    Now what?

    Good cabinet choices and listening to them are going to be critical.

    (Assuming he does actually win, which I'm not going to feel comfortable believing until the counting is really over.)

    What’s the lowdown on Steven Mnuchin? Could be Treasury Secretary.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Mnuchin

    Uh oh. A Goldman Sachs insider.

    • Replies: @Karl
    > Uh oh. A Goldman Sachs insider

    that - by itself - doesn't bother the Joe Sixpacks. Sixpacks prosper from some mighty non-egalitarian things like Longshoreman contracts, etc etc.

    the sixpacks had multiple prior opportunities to landslide against a bank-i-fied economy. They never bothered.

    Shouting against the bankified economy was just one bullet point of many for Trump.
  65. @NOTA
    Yep. I have no idea what he will do as president, if he wins (that's what it looks like right now). Given his general lack of interest in policy details, I'm not so sure he knows, either. The ruling class was doing a shitty job of running things, and they deserved the defeats they've suffered at Trump's hands. But I've got a very bad feeling about Trump's actual ability to do better.

    You missed the deadline for concern trolling.

    • Replies: @NOTA
    It's a serious question. I very much hope Trump does have some coherent, well-thought-out ideas to replace the dumber ideas of the ruling class. But I haven't seen much evidence for it so far.
  66. May I add to my earlier remarks about Trump, one about Mr Sailer. He’s done as much as anyone I know to make this victory possible, and has stayed logical, humorous, and on an even keel every step of the way. He has spoken more ‘truth to power’ than anyone I can name, with the possible exceptions of Mr Buchanan and Ms Coulter. I hope all three of them are considered for important roles in the new Administration. The forces of reaction will be gunning for us in every way imaginable, and we’ll need all the help we can get.

    • Agree: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @Federalist
    Steve Sailer is to Donald Trump as Aristotle was to Alexander the Great.
  67. Now the really difficult question sets in: do I open a bottle of Amarone, or a 19-year old Scotch? Decisions, decisions…

    • Replies: @Olorin
    You can do both, IMO.

    We're finishing off our anniversary bottle of XO cognac...with a bottle of Scapa in the cabinet.

    Orcadian hooch seems about right. North Sea and all.

    We're having the best time reading NYT headlines.

    WORLD AWAKES TO SHOCK AT PROSPECT OF TRUMP PRESIDENCY

    OUR CABLE NETWORKS HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO SHOUTFESTS

    CAN THE TIMES RELAX ITS STYLE AND STILL BE THE NEW YORK TIMES (interesting juxtaposition with the previous h/l)

    THE AUDACITY OF HOPELESSNESS

    WHY THE RACE DID A SCREECHING U-TURN

    DISRUPTION WAS THE STAR OF 2016, USHERED IN BY TRUMP

    Am I going senile, or do I recall that my elders, the Boomers, were the ones who originated The Ruckus Society and Alinskyite ratf***ing?
  68. @Rob (London)
    Long-time reader, commenter and supporter of Steve's work here. But I've never been able to get behind Trump. I'm not a supporter of Clinton or the Democrats by any means, and I have long wanted an "insurgent" candidate to shake things up, but I can't see how he is qualified to be president.

    Now it looks like Trump will win, I have a couple of genuine questions for Trump supporters. Do you have any concerns about how he will manage international relations, wrt Russia/NATO, the Korean peninsula and the middle east? And do you think he'll torpedo global efforts to reduce carbon emissions and limit global warming? (If you don't believe in man-made global warming then I guess you can opt out of that one.)

    Not a troll. A concerned observer. Are the potential downsides of a Trump presidency a price worth paying for the upsides?

    Do you have any concerns about how he will manage international relations, wrt Russia/NATO, the Korean peninsula and the middle east?

    As compared to what we have had before, or compared to HRC? Or maybe you are thinking that if I think that instead of Trump we could have elected Mister Rogers as US President? Which is it?

    And do you think he’ll torpedo global efforts to reduce carbon emissions and limit global warming?

    (1) Is global warming a bad thing? (2) If it is a bad thing, is it a consequence of human actions? (3) If it is a bad thing, and it is a consequence of human actions, do you want a market solution or a government solution? (Let me guess, you want a government solution.) And if you want a government solution, how does that differ from all of the other attempts to reduce us to serfdom?

    (If you don’t believe in man-made global warming then I guess you can opt out of that one.)

    (4) Why would you assume that ‘believe in’ has anything to do with the discussion?

    (5) Have you read the Chicken Little fable? (Or in your case, Chicken Licken?)

  69. @Kyle McKenna
    May I add to my earlier remarks about Trump, one about Mr Sailer. He's done as much as anyone I know to make this victory possible, and has stayed logical, humorous, and on an even keel every step of the way. He has spoken more 'truth to power' than anyone I can name, with the possible exceptions of Mr Buchanan and Ms Coulter. I hope all three of them are considered for important roles in the new Administration. The forces of reaction will be gunning for us in every way imaginable, and we'll need all the help we can get.

    Steve Sailer is to Donald Trump as Aristotle was to Alexander the Great.

  70. @Mark Eugenikos
    Now the really difficult question sets in: do I open a bottle of Amarone, or a 19-year old Scotch? Decisions, decisions...

    You can do both, IMO.

    We’re finishing off our anniversary bottle of XO cognac…with a bottle of Scapa in the cabinet.

    Orcadian hooch seems about right. North Sea and all.

    We’re having the best time reading NYT headlines.

    WORLD AWAKES TO SHOCK AT PROSPECT OF TRUMP PRESIDENCY

    OUR CABLE NETWORKS HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO SHOUTFESTS

    CAN THE TIMES RELAX ITS STYLE AND STILL BE THE NEW YORK TIMES (interesting juxtaposition with the previous h/l)

    THE AUDACITY OF HOPELESSNESS

    WHY THE RACE DID A SCREECHING U-TURN

    DISRUPTION WAS THE STAR OF 2016, USHERED IN BY TRUMP

    Am I going senile, or do I recall that my elders, the Boomers, were the ones who originated The Ruckus Society and Alinskyite ratf***ing?

  71. John Podesta: “Several states are too close to call, so we are not going to have anything more to say tonight”

    Oh well. They didn’t have much to say before, either.

  72. @Rob (London)
    Long-time reader, commenter and supporter of Steve's work here. But I've never been able to get behind Trump. I'm not a supporter of Clinton or the Democrats by any means, and I have long wanted an "insurgent" candidate to shake things up, but I can't see how he is qualified to be president.

    Now it looks like Trump will win, I have a couple of genuine questions for Trump supporters. Do you have any concerns about how he will manage international relations, wrt Russia/NATO, the Korean peninsula and the middle east? And do you think he'll torpedo global efforts to reduce carbon emissions and limit global warming? (If you don't believe in man-made global warming then I guess you can opt out of that one.)

    Not a troll. A concerned observer. Are the potential downsides of a Trump presidency a price worth paying for the upsides?

    I’m happy you’re not concern trolling. Fortunately, I just found a very informative article that seems to answer at least one of your questions in detail. I haven’t yet read it, but I’m sure you won’t be disappointed.

    Enjoy!

  73. Game-set-match!

    Ladies and gentlemen, we have witnessed history in the making, and it has been a lot of fun.

    Cheers!

  74. Guardian reports that AP has called election for Trump at 276 Electoral college votes.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2016/nov/08/us-election-2016-polls-trump-clinton-live

    Who cares if Clinton lacks the grace to concede?

  75. Philly.com (Inquirer) has called it for Trump:

    2:31 a.m.: Donald Trump has won Wisconsin and with it, the electoral college.

    http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/real-time/Election-Day-live-updates-PA-NJ-Nov-8-2016.html

    I would like to point out that this would make DJT the first UPenn alumnus to be President of the United States.

    Leges sine moribus vanae.

  76. You all seem too enthusiastic.

    It shall not be forgotten that demographics is destiny. Look at 85-IQ Columbia district, look at 90-IQ California and New Mexico.

    Demographics, hence white fertility and immigration, shall be the first of all concerns.
    It’s too easy for the elites to manipulate dimwits against the middle productive class.
    We need as few dimwits as possible in this country, and there already are way too many.

    • Agree: reiner Tor, Wizard of Oz
  77. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Many on the Right have kneejerkly attacked the French Revolution.

    While it had its bloody excesses, I see the themes of the French Revolution to be the foundation of the Modern Right. Nationalism, Rule of Law for all, and the idea that the leaders must represent the people of the nation.

    Globalism of both Liberalism and Conservatism Inc believes in creating an Elysium for globalist elites around the world, and the HELL with the peoples of nations who are meant to be mixed-and-matched like jelly beans in a jar.

  78. The media should thank Trump. It can finally do its job of speaking truth to power instead of acting as official scribes of powers that be.

  79. This is not just a win, this is a landslide.

    And I am eager to see what happened with the Hispanic vote, I think if Hispanics had leaned overwhelmingly Clinton the results couldn’t have been what they are.

  80. @reiner Tor

    Utah, which gives the country a lot of high-SAT home-schooled learners, has Clinton at 21.5%.
     
    And Ecuck McMullin also at 20% or so. No Mormocaust this year.

    Looking at the Utah numbers, I think Egg McMuffin took away more votes from Crooked Hillary than he did from Trump. Another backfiring NeverTrump strategy!

    • Replies: @ChrisZ
    What's truly pathetic is that the geniuses behind McMuffin were the "strategists" running Republican presidential campaigns for 20 years. We've been captive to these losers--and are now well rid of them. MAGA!
  81. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Still, why must every Treasury secretary be a Goldman Sachs man?
    It’s like that in the whole West EU too.

    Why do ministries of Economy and Treasury secretaries have to be G-Sax people?

    Well, because otherwise interest rates on state debt will suddenly rise, and rating agencies ratings for your country will suddenly drop.

    I wonder when does this end.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    It ends when everyone is issued a numbered begging bowl and feels gratitude for not being counted among the ones considered unpeople.
  82. I wonder what happened to the resident Trump haters like Stephen R. Diamond and Boethiuss?
    Boris, weren’t you going to troll us tonight? Maybe you’re passed out on your fainting couch.
    Owen, that was a brilliant handicapping of the Electoral College. You were so right on the money.

    Anyway, enough gloating–congratulations to President-Elect Donald Trump. He has a very unenviable task ahead of him.

  83. @Rob (London)
    Long-time reader, commenter and supporter of Steve's work here. But I've never been able to get behind Trump. I'm not a supporter of Clinton or the Democrats by any means, and I have long wanted an "insurgent" candidate to shake things up, but I can't see how he is qualified to be president.

    Now it looks like Trump will win, I have a couple of genuine questions for Trump supporters. Do you have any concerns about how he will manage international relations, wrt Russia/NATO, the Korean peninsula and the middle east? And do you think he'll torpedo global efforts to reduce carbon emissions and limit global warming? (If you don't believe in man-made global warming then I guess you can opt out of that one.)

    Not a troll. A concerned observer. Are the potential downsides of a Trump presidency a price worth paying for the upsides?

    “Now it looks like Trump will win, I have a couple of genuine questions for Trump supporters. Do you have any concerns about how he will manage international relations, wrt Russia/NATO, the Korean peninsula and the middle east? ”

    No. You just listed several reasons I voted for him. Why are we in a pissing contest with Russia over Syria? I don’t see compelling US interests there. Certainly nothing worth going to the mat with Russia over. Looking at the Russian press, they are *pissed* about our actions. Neither side wants a war, but history is full of cases where neither side wanted a war but got one anyway. Armed men glaring at each other is not a stable situation. We got lucky with the cold war.

    For South Korea, why are we defending them from a country with half their population and a tiny fraction of their wealth? If they cannot hold off North Korea, it stems from a lack of willingness to fight for themselves. If you’re worried about a Chinese invasion, I see that as unlikely. I’m even more skeptical of the Japanese trying to retake the peninsula.

    For the middle east, bin Laden’s call to arms was the US had military bases in the middle east and supported the Saudis and Israel. I see Trump reducing the first two. I’m not sure where he is with Israel. If we’ve learned anything in the past 15 years, it is that taking down dictators often makes things worse. So I see the region becoming more stable and hating us less.

    With respect to global warming, put me in the skeptic bin. However, it doesn’t matter much from a policy perspective. At present, there is no energy system ready to step up and take the place of coal and natural gas. The fundamental problem is that wind and solar are variable, and energy storage technology is not up to the task. Nuclear is plausible, but we’ll need regulatory reforms to reduce costs and a large dose of Xanax for concerned environmentalists.

    • Replies: @Anon
    "For South Korea, why are we defending them from a country with half their population and a tiny fraction of their wealth?"

    That's just excuse to use SK as military base against China.

    US put missile defenses in Poland against Russia but says it is against Iran.

    US pretends to defend SK from NK but is really using SK against China.

    Also, US wants to keep SK as satellite, and that means suppressing nationalism in SK by preventing emergence of unified Korea.

    It is time US pulled out all troops out of SK and Okinawa.

    , @Kyle McKenna
    May I compliment you on clear thinking, cogent argument, and skillful writing. These are a few of my favorite things...
    , @Wizard of Oz
    You might consider too the US alliance with Australia but from a slightly different angle... What does Australia get from being America's most reliable and loyal ally for at least 66 years, bar none?

    Shared intelligence and privileged access (at a v high price) to superior American military technology. Yes, but I I argue that there is nothing else to justify our putting ourselves at the bitter end of Islamist wrath (although we should discriminate against Muslims as immigrants and refugees).

    What big country in Asia, including the US, is going to look benignly on passing of control of what happens on Australia's landmass (central to much of the world's ocean space if you invert a globe: but here, as to its maritime location, I merely quote an interesting speech I heard long ago)?

    For China Australia is a well run quarry where lots of Chinese buy real estate and send their children to be educated. What would the reaction of Japan be to Indonesia trying to Indonesia encroaching on its SEe neighbour? Would India passively accept any country's attempted takeover of Australia? And so on.

    The status quo suits everyone - without Australia having to fight in America's wars (though effective armies do need to keep their troops used to actually killing people cf. Bosnian and Rwandan experiences). But Australian politicians - even PMs and Leaders of the Opposition who have been smart and confident enough to be Rhodes Scholars (4 I can think of in the last 35 years) can be duchessed in the great metropolises of the Northern Hemisphere and, paradoxically, that could be just as bad with the cunning Donald Trump in the White House....(Any predictions about his persuasive powers working on foreigners?).

  84. House and Senate results look very fine too (by the way, it is maybe not good that McCain and Rubio won).
    They wouldn’t be as they are if what Neocons purported about Trump were true.

    The GOP people are with Trump.
    If you factor in GOP’s big cheeses anti-Trump activism and activity, you see the GOP people like Trump amazingly.

  85. Trump wins !!

    Schadenfreude now being served raw.

  86. @Steve Sailer
    Who will Trump make Secretary of State?

    Gen. Flynn best pick for Sec. of State.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    There was one interview on FOX with Flynn, after Nice I think, where he seemed unaware of the Shia-Sunni distinction. Not impressed.
  87. @neprof
    Pat Buchanan if he's up to it, else John Bolton

    Are you kidding? Bolton is an Israel Firster and the very whiff of anyone like him or his ilk will indicate that DT will only disappoint.

  88. @neprof
    Pat Buchanan if he's up to it, else John Bolton

    John Bolton? Are you insane? He is the worst hawk neocon (non Jewish though).

  89. @Another Canadian
    Juan Williams' head is exploding about Trump being a vindictive bully. Fox News is a vapid mouthpiece for Establishment Inc. but it's the best we've got.

    Fox news is plain Murdoch disinformation and you can well do without it. You’d be better off sticking to alternatives on the net. The more you can do to encourage the media liars to go bankrupt the better off you will be.

  90. @Federalist
    You missed the deadline for concern trolling.

    It’s a serious question. I very much hope Trump does have some coherent, well-thought-out ideas to replace the dumber ideas of the ruling class. But I haven’t seen much evidence for it so far.

  91. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @JosephB
    "Now it looks like Trump will win, I have a couple of genuine questions for Trump supporters. Do you have any concerns about how he will manage international relations, wrt Russia/NATO, the Korean peninsula and the middle east? "

    No. You just listed several reasons I voted for him. Why are we in a pissing contest with Russia over Syria? I don't see compelling US interests there. Certainly nothing worth going to the mat with Russia over. Looking at the Russian press, they are *pissed* about our actions. Neither side wants a war, but history is full of cases where neither side wanted a war but got one anyway. Armed men glaring at each other is not a stable situation. We got lucky with the cold war.

    For South Korea, why are we defending them from a country with half their population and a tiny fraction of their wealth? If they cannot hold off North Korea, it stems from a lack of willingness to fight for themselves. If you're worried about a Chinese invasion, I see that as unlikely. I'm even more skeptical of the Japanese trying to retake the peninsula.

    For the middle east, bin Laden's call to arms was the US had military bases in the middle east and supported the Saudis and Israel. I see Trump reducing the first two. I'm not sure where he is with Israel. If we've learned anything in the past 15 years, it is that taking down dictators often makes things worse. So I see the region becoming more stable and hating us less.


    With respect to global warming, put me in the skeptic bin. However, it doesn't matter much from a policy perspective. At present, there is no energy system ready to step up and take the place of coal and natural gas. The fundamental problem is that wind and solar are variable, and energy storage technology is not up to the task. Nuclear is plausible, but we'll need regulatory reforms to reduce costs and a large dose of Xanax for concerned environmentalists.

    “For South Korea, why are we defending them from a country with half their population and a tiny fraction of their wealth?”

    That’s just excuse to use SK as military base against China.

    US put missile defenses in Poland against Russia but says it is against Iran.

    US pretends to defend SK from NK but is really using SK against China.

    Also, US wants to keep SK as satellite, and that means suppressing nationalism in SK by preventing emergence of unified Korea.

    It is time US pulled out all troops out of SK and Okinawa.

  92. @Anonymous
    Still, why must every Treasury secretary be a Goldman Sachs man?
    It's like that in the whole West EU too.

    Why do ministries of Economy and Treasury secretaries have to be G-Sax people?

    Well, because otherwise interest rates on state debt will suddenly rise, and rating agencies ratings for your country will suddenly drop.

    I wonder when does this end.

    It ends when everyone is issued a numbered begging bowl and feels gratitude for not being counted among the ones considered unpeople.

  93. @utu
    Gen. Flynn best pick for Sec. of State.

    There was one interview on FOX with Flynn, after Nice I think, where he seemed unaware of the Shia-Sunni distinction. Not impressed.

    • Replies: @utu
    Flynn "unaware of the Shia-Sunni distinction"? I did not know about it. But perhaps he knows what Aleppo is.
  94. Most ‘progressives’ just follow the Current Year.

    They lead nothing. They should be called Followers or Taggers(for tagging along)or just tags, or the herd.

    PC is about blind tagging along.

  95. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    Even that exit poll now has Jews at 24%, and I assume they're under counting the Orthodox who tend not to participate in exit (or other) polls, but are mostly for Trump. Prediction: Jews will be more Republican than Mormons in the lifetimes of some readers here.

    My Orthodox Jewish grandfather is a registered Democrats and has voted in every single presidential election. Twenty years ago he started voting for the Republican candidate and he’s done so in every election since. He takes his Civic responsibilities seriously and is always more learn it on the issues than perhaps 98 percent of the electorate at his advanced age. Before you can congratulate him though, I should mention that this is the first election in his life time that he is not voted in. He thinks very lonely of both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump and even though he’s strongly agrees with the policy is that Donald Trump touts, he, a rather conservative man, can’t stand voting for Donald Trump the man. He feels terrible about not doing his civic duty but he feels that he didn’t have an option. I know this will come across like a lead balloon here but I think we ought to respect conservative people, especially older conservative people, who are really turned off by Trump. My grandfather still hopes that he will win but he just couldn’t bring himself to vote for him.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    Interesting but with an additional point of interest.

    I am hoping to use machine dictation (i.e. with no stenographer) to make comments and send emails. Your comment reads a bit like the product of such dictation - am I right in inferring that you dictated it?
  96. @Steve Sailer
    Who will Trump make Secretary of State?

    Pray it’s Pat Buchanan!

  97. @Moshe
    My Orthodox Jewish grandfather is a registered Democrats and has voted in every single presidential election. Twenty years ago he started voting for the Republican candidate and he's done so in every election since. He takes his Civic responsibilities seriously and is always more learn it on the issues than perhaps 98 percent of the electorate at his advanced age. Before you can congratulate him though, I should mention that this is the first election in his life time that he is not voted in. He thinks very lonely of both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump and even though he's strongly agrees with the policy is that Donald Trump touts, he, a rather conservative man, can't stand voting for Donald Trump the man. He feels terrible about not doing his civic duty but he feels that he didn't have an option. I know this will come across like a lead balloon here but I think we ought to respect conservative people, especially older conservative people, who are really turned off by Trump. My grandfather still hopes that he will win but he just couldn't bring himself to vote for him.

    Interesting but with an additional point of interest.

    I am hoping to use machine dictation (i.e. with no stenographer) to make comments and send emails. Your comment reads a bit like the product of such dictation – am I right in inferring that you dictated it?

    • Replies: @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever...
    "am I right in inferring that you dictated it?".
    I'm guessing that 'Moshe' is a troll account and, no idea if it's machine dictation.
  98. signed sealed and delivered

  99. @Kyle McKenna
    Trump, before he got a tad too political, supported national health care (single payer), higher taxes and tariffs on imports to protect American (mostly blue collar) jobs, using public money to build bridges, roads, hospitals and create ready jobs; Mr. Trump also supported abortion rights, same-sex marriage (he opposed DOMA), opposed the Citizens United decision and was a supporter and advocate for Planned Parenthood. Unlike other Republicans, he insisted that Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid must be protected.

    He was always a moderate who simply maintained that laws should be followed, else they didn't mean anything, and that includes borders and immigration.

    Here he was, speaking to Republicans at the primary debate:

    “We have done a tremendous disservice not only to the Middle East — we've done a tremendous disservice to humanity. The people that have been killed, the people that have been wiped away — and for what? It's not like we had victory. It's a mess. The Middle East is totally destabilized, a total and complete mess. I wish we had the 4 trillion dollars or 5 trillion dollars. I wish it were spent right here in the United States on schools, hospitals, roads, bridges, and everything else that is all falling apart!"

    Let's hope that he remembers some or maybe even all of what he stood for, before too many 'minders' got into the mix. But who am I to second-guess his strategy, if he's really slain the Dreaded Hildebeest this evening? Oh, and Patrick Buchanan for Secy of State.

    See my #20 or #21 comment on Pat Buchanan’s latest article as support for the view contained within your comment that the American ruling class (all factions combined) have blown it since 1990 by squandering the peace dividend on expensive and counterproductive wars instead of attending to the elementary desire of potential voters in a democracy to see their lives gradually improving….

    • Replies: @utu
    "American ruling class (all factions combined) have blown it since 1990 by squandering the peace dividend on expensive and counterproductive wars "

    That's true. But after Fukuyama's "End of History" some clever guys came up with Huntington's "Clash of Civilizations" (meaning Islam) that outlined the direction. Some people worked very hard on the plan and its execution that got us and the world to this point. Their first major action was the Desert Storm prepared for GH Bush but he did not go along with the plan (he finished the world w/o going to Iraq), so he had to go.
    , @utu
    Michael Moore film "Canadian Bacon" was prescient for what unfolded after the cold war. He did not come up with Osama but was pretty close.
  100. @antipater_1
    Looking at the Utah numbers, I think Egg McMuffin took away more votes from Crooked Hillary than he did from Trump. Another backfiring NeverTrump strategy!

    What’s truly pathetic is that the geniuses behind McMuffin were the “strategists” running Republican presidential campaigns for 20 years. We’ve been captive to these losers–and are now well rid of them. MAGA!

  101. @JosephB
    "Now it looks like Trump will win, I have a couple of genuine questions for Trump supporters. Do you have any concerns about how he will manage international relations, wrt Russia/NATO, the Korean peninsula and the middle east? "

    No. You just listed several reasons I voted for him. Why are we in a pissing contest with Russia over Syria? I don't see compelling US interests there. Certainly nothing worth going to the mat with Russia over. Looking at the Russian press, they are *pissed* about our actions. Neither side wants a war, but history is full of cases where neither side wanted a war but got one anyway. Armed men glaring at each other is not a stable situation. We got lucky with the cold war.

    For South Korea, why are we defending them from a country with half their population and a tiny fraction of their wealth? If they cannot hold off North Korea, it stems from a lack of willingness to fight for themselves. If you're worried about a Chinese invasion, I see that as unlikely. I'm even more skeptical of the Japanese trying to retake the peninsula.

    For the middle east, bin Laden's call to arms was the US had military bases in the middle east and supported the Saudis and Israel. I see Trump reducing the first two. I'm not sure where he is with Israel. If we've learned anything in the past 15 years, it is that taking down dictators often makes things worse. So I see the region becoming more stable and hating us less.


    With respect to global warming, put me in the skeptic bin. However, it doesn't matter much from a policy perspective. At present, there is no energy system ready to step up and take the place of coal and natural gas. The fundamental problem is that wind and solar are variable, and energy storage technology is not up to the task. Nuclear is plausible, but we'll need regulatory reforms to reduce costs and a large dose of Xanax for concerned environmentalists.

    May I compliment you on clear thinking, cogent argument, and skillful writing. These are a few of my favorite things…

  102. @Wizard of Oz
    Interesting but with an additional point of interest.

    I am hoping to use machine dictation (i.e. with no stenographer) to make comments and send emails. Your comment reads a bit like the product of such dictation - am I right in inferring that you dictated it?

    “am I right in inferring that you dictated it?”.
    I’m guessing that ‘Moshe’ is a troll account and, no idea if it’s machine dictation.

  103. @Anonymous
    What's the lowdown on Steven Mnuchin? Could be Treasury Secretary.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Mnuchin

    Uh oh. A Goldman Sachs insider.

    > Uh oh. A Goldman Sachs insider

    that – by itself – doesn’t bother the Joe Sixpacks. Sixpacks prosper from some mighty non-egalitarian things like Longshoreman contracts, etc etc.

    the sixpacks had multiple prior opportunities to landslide against a bank-i-fied economy. They never bothered.

    Shouting against the bankified economy was just one bullet point of many for Trump.

  104. @Wizard of Oz
    See my #20 or #21 comment on Pat Buchanan's latest article as support for the view contained within your comment that the American ruling class (all factions combined) have blown it since 1990 by squandering the peace dividend on expensive and counterproductive wars instead of attending to the elementary desire of potential voters in a democracy to see their lives gradually improving....

    “American ruling class (all factions combined) have blown it since 1990 by squandering the peace dividend on expensive and counterproductive wars ”

    That’s true. But after Fukuyama’s “End of History” some clever guys came up with Huntington’s “Clash of Civilizations” (meaning Islam) that outlined the direction. Some people worked very hard on the plan and its execution that got us and the world to this point. Their first major action was the Desert Storm prepared for GH Bush but he did not go along with the plan (he finished the world w/o going to Iraq), so he had to go.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    “American ruling class (all factions combined) have blown it since 1990 by squandering the peace dividend on expensive and counterproductive wars ”

    That’s true. But after Fukuyama’s “End of History” some clever guys came up with Huntington’s “Clash of Civilizations” (meaning Islam) that outlined the direction
     
    .

    Utu, I might be reading too much into your reference, but Huntington--and his Clash of Civilizations--are not neoconservative nor liberal internationalist. The book outlines these deep ethno-cultural fissues, and suggests that in the absence of Cold War style ideological conflict those fault lines will be what generates conflict.

    Huntington would be classified as a "realist" and the advice coming from his thesis would be "don't get involved there" and "don't invite them here"--both wise sound propositions. Huntington counsels the opposite of "invade the world, invite the world" orthodoxy and we'd be in a much better place if his advice had been followed.
  105. @Anonymous
    There was one interview on FOX with Flynn, after Nice I think, where he seemed unaware of the Shia-Sunni distinction. Not impressed.

    Flynn “unaware of the Shia-Sunni distinction”? I did not know about it. But perhaps he knows what Aleppo is.

  106. @Wizard of Oz
    See my #20 or #21 comment on Pat Buchanan's latest article as support for the view contained within your comment that the American ruling class (all factions combined) have blown it since 1990 by squandering the peace dividend on expensive and counterproductive wars instead of attending to the elementary desire of potential voters in a democracy to see their lives gradually improving....

    Michael Moore film “Canadian Bacon” was prescient for what unfolded after the cold war. He did not come up with Osama but was pretty close.

  107. Hope that with his Presidency the blame games will be stopped

  108. Thomas Friedman
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/09/opinion/were-near-the-breaking-point.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=span-abc-region&region=span-abc-region&WT.nav=span-abc-region

    “Before I lay out all my fears, is there any silver lining to be found in this vote? I’ve been searching for hours, and the only one I can find is this: I don’t think Trump was truly committed to a single word or policy he offered during the campaign, except one phrase: “I want to win.””

    They hope to co-opt Trump and in the meantime live in denial.

    • Replies: @Kyle McKenna
    One after another of the MSM outlets is running versions of "angry, racist, poorly-educated whites" being the cause of this cataclysm.

    Well, it wouldn't be reasonable to expect the MSM to stop retailing the many lies they tell themselves (and the rest of us, if we're foolish enough to listen) all of a sudden, if ever.

    Trump's election, if we're fortunate, will be just the initial blow in a colossal effort to reform American society. But, no such effort will succeed without taking down the owners of the MSM, and that'll be a lot harder than winning an election. For to the masses, the MSM manufactures 'truth'.
  109. @Tangerine Dreamer
    Speaking of Obama, he'll probably say something goofy like "a people have elected a president".

    “Speaking of Obama, he’ll probably say something goofy like “a people have elected a president”.

    And in the process, refer to himself about 108 times.

  110. “The more you can do to encourage the media liars to go bankrupt the better off you will be.”

    Amen, and amen. The WaPo should be made to squirm under glaring hot light for their gleeful abandonment of every principle of journalism, particularly this past year…..and it’s long past time for the Daily Duranty to walk the last mile for their countless crimes against our once and future Republic.

    As for MSNBC, CNN and their ilk – the only drawback to their being Charlie Hebdo’d by the very ‘refugees’ they champion is the odds-on probability that such an event might gain them public sympathy.

  111. What about you for Secretary of State, Sailer?

  112. We here in Ft. Meade and Langley usually do not get plowed at 6 AM….but today is an exception. Ding dong, the witch is dead, the wicked witch, the witch is dead……..

  113. @Harry Baldwin
    Has Tiny Duck weighed in?

    I really wish I could be see and hear the fury and anguish of Hillary, George Soros, John McCain, John Kasich, the whole stinking Bush clan, George Will, Glenn Beck, Marl Levin, Jonah Goldberg, John Podhoretz, Steve Hayes, the NY Times editorial board, NPR, etc. I have CNN on and got to savor Van Jones' diatribe. (Insert Nelson "Ha-ha.")

    Question: A lot of powerful people have invested tens of millions of dollars in Hillary's campaign in expectation of future favors. Some of these people are very unsavory. How are they going to react to Hillary's collapse? Good thing for her she has Secret Service protection.

    Question: As a commenter on iSteve asked recently, will Carlos Slim and Jeff Bezos decide that their investments in prestige media has not paid off in political influence and pull the plug?

    Cue end scene of Kingsmen when the world's elite have their heads explode.

    I never visit the Huffington Post or Slate or other pseudo multi-cultural left wing sites (with their relentless White male bashing), because I worry what reading that swill will do to my blood pressure.

    Some of my friends like to visit to see what the other side is thinking.

    Today in the aftermath of Trump’s victory, I couldn’t resist visiting.

    I am happy to say that schadenfreude feels good like I suspected it would.

    I knew i would have been very disappointed if Hillary won, but the MSM polls had at least prepared me for that possibility. On the other hand nurse Ratchet’s supporters were totally convinced she would win. Oh there is no pain like the pain of pride goeth before a fall. I think de Tocqueville theorized that most revolutions happen when people ‘s rising expectations are dashed. I can see why. These people have been gobsmacked, and are in a state of shock.

    The he amount of emotional pain, shock, and outrage that the SJW bots are experiencing on those sites is mind blowing. They actually think Trump is the new Hitler and abortion will be illegal and women and blacks will be put back in chains, etc….

    It is quite astonishing.

    But I have to admit kinda of enjoyable in a schadenfreude type of way.

    Though it is a little bit frightening when I realize how crazy some of these people are.

    Between trying to calm these people down and dealing with cuckservative traitors in his own party. Trump definitely has his work cut out for him.

    Buckle up I think the ride is about to get even more interesting.

    How he deals with the DC establishment of the two parties is going to be fascinating.

    • Replies: @another fred

    How he deals with the DC establishment of the two parties is going to be fascinating.
     
    No problemo. He'll do it in the "old fashioned way" - doling out projects in favored districts.

    The Congress will be quite happy to spend money on infrastructure stimulus.

  114. @utu
    "American ruling class (all factions combined) have blown it since 1990 by squandering the peace dividend on expensive and counterproductive wars "

    That's true. But after Fukuyama's "End of History" some clever guys came up with Huntington's "Clash of Civilizations" (meaning Islam) that outlined the direction. Some people worked very hard on the plan and its execution that got us and the world to this point. Their first major action was the Desert Storm prepared for GH Bush but he did not go along with the plan (he finished the world w/o going to Iraq), so he had to go.

    “American ruling class (all factions combined) have blown it since 1990 by squandering the peace dividend on expensive and counterproductive wars ”

    That’s true. But after Fukuyama’s “End of History” some clever guys came up with Huntington’s “Clash of Civilizations” (meaning Islam) that outlined the direction

    .

    Utu, I might be reading too much into your reference, but Huntington–and his Clash of Civilizations–are not neoconservative nor liberal internationalist. The book outlines these deep ethno-cultural fissues, and suggests that in the absence of Cold War style ideological conflict those fault lines will be what generates conflict.

    Huntington would be classified as a “realist” and the advice coming from his thesis would be “don’t get involved there” and “don’t invite them here”–both wise sound propositions. Huntington counsels the opposite of “invade the world, invite the world” orthodoxy and we’d be in a much better place if his advice had been followed.

    • Replies: @utu
    You might be right about Huntington. Still his book nicely and very conveniently helped the Empire, that was in desperate search for a new enemy after the Cold War, to find new imperial endeavors regardless of Huntington personal beliefs.

    BTW those who like what Huntington wrote about various types of civilizations might be interested by the pre WWII book by Feliks Koneczny "ON THE PLURALITY OF CIVILISATIONS"
    https://www.scribd.com/doc/4464979/ON-THE-PLURALITY-OF-CIVILIZATIONS-Feliks-Koneczny-Entire-Book

    Feliks Koneczny divided civilizations into about twenty types, of which seven types still exist. Four are ancient: "Brahmin," "Jewish," "Chinese," and "Turanian". Three are medieval: "Latin," "Byzantine," and "Arab." The differences between civilizations are based on their attitude to law and ethics.

    His writing might feel sometimes a bit dated but there are many interesting insights some of which nowadays are behind the veil of taboo of political correctness.
  115. If Trump can make a proof that would be acceptable to everybody that (1) something is not kosher with Obama birth and/or (2) Obama in the past held other citizenship, Trump should do it ASAP to make all liberals shut up.

  116. @AnotherDad

    “American ruling class (all factions combined) have blown it since 1990 by squandering the peace dividend on expensive and counterproductive wars ”

    That’s true. But after Fukuyama’s “End of History” some clever guys came up with Huntington’s “Clash of Civilizations” (meaning Islam) that outlined the direction
     
    .

    Utu, I might be reading too much into your reference, but Huntington--and his Clash of Civilizations--are not neoconservative nor liberal internationalist. The book outlines these deep ethno-cultural fissues, and suggests that in the absence of Cold War style ideological conflict those fault lines will be what generates conflict.

    Huntington would be classified as a "realist" and the advice coming from his thesis would be "don't get involved there" and "don't invite them here"--both wise sound propositions. Huntington counsels the opposite of "invade the world, invite the world" orthodoxy and we'd be in a much better place if his advice had been followed.

    You might be right about Huntington. Still his book nicely and very conveniently helped the Empire, that was in desperate search for a new enemy after the Cold War, to find new imperial endeavors regardless of Huntington personal beliefs.

    BTW those who like what Huntington wrote about various types of civilizations might be interested by the pre WWII book by Feliks Koneczny “ON THE PLURALITY OF CIVILISATIONS”

    Feliks Koneczny divided civilizations into about twenty types, of which seven types still exist. Four are ancient: “Brahmin,” “Jewish,” “Chinese,” and “Turanian”. Three are medieval: “Latin,” “Byzantine,” and “Arab.” The differences between civilizations are based on their attitude to law and ethics.

    His writing might feel sometimes a bit dated but there are many interesting insights some of which nowadays are behind the veil of taboo of political correctness.

  117. The left will mobilize trying to make Trump presidency along his political platform for which he was elected impossible. The left is powerful. They have resources and they know how to organize and most importantly they have no scruples (vide Bolsheviks and Trotskyists). What Trump supporters can do to help Trump to adhere to his platform? What can we do?

  118. There’s an occultist on YouTube
    styxhexenhammer666 that talks politics too. He almost got every state correct.
    Not an altrighter but his analysis was amazing.

  119. @Rob (London)
    No idea. Someone good, I hope. Any thoughts?

    I would like the next Secretary of State to be Sen. Jeff Sessions.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    That would probably leave Rs with 51 (possibly 50 if Ds somehow win LA runoff) seats in the Senate. Not a wise move though Sessions is the best Republican politician on the Trump Train.

    He needs to bring Kobach onto the national scene.

  120. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/kampeas/status/796180022247591937

    im jewish and voted trump as did my uncles and cousins. bro and sis didnt vote , mom voted cunton , dad voted cunton.

  121. It is the leftist academic/MSM complex nightmare that they can no longer influence the rest of us to vote against our own rational self interest. They still do not understand that this vote was not only for Trump, but against what the lefties failed ideas produced (that been holding this nation hostage for the last half century).

    Now African Americans themselves must decide what they want for their national future: to continue to blame whitey, commit violence (they kill more in this nation than any other group), and promote a living off the dole lifestyle; or work with their fellow citizens, and stop the leftist racial demagoguery. The choice is theirs to make. But understand with tough economic times, their fellow Americans patience is running thin with their nonsense.
    Either work with us & understand that we are all struggling in this together, or leave; not complain and while being an ungrateful economic burden. That cannot last (even if we wanted it to – – its simply not sustainable, and that is the reality, wishful thinking not withstanding).

  122. Congratulations Amerika!!! Thank you for ripping off the mask and showing the fvgly deplorable mug behind.

    May God Almighty accelerate the rot from within. Amen.

    🙂

    • Replies: @Hanoi Paris Hilton
    Far out, Dude. Gott mit uns. It was those nazi coal miners.
  123. @neprof
    Pat Buchanan if he's up to it, else John Bolton

    John Bolton??!! Good God Almighty – everyone grab your pitchforks!!!

    Buchanan is good – an almost a polar opposite. He, or the good Dr. Ron Paul, would be an excellent choice for our international face!

    Peace.

  124. @Harry Baldwin
    Has Tiny Duck weighed in?

    I really wish I could be see and hear the fury and anguish of Hillary, George Soros, John McCain, John Kasich, the whole stinking Bush clan, George Will, Glenn Beck, Marl Levin, Jonah Goldberg, John Podhoretz, Steve Hayes, the NY Times editorial board, NPR, etc. I have CNN on and got to savor Van Jones' diatribe. (Insert Nelson "Ha-ha.")

    Question: A lot of powerful people have invested tens of millions of dollars in Hillary's campaign in expectation of future favors. Some of these people are very unsavory. How are they going to react to Hillary's collapse? Good thing for her she has Secret Service protection.

    Question: As a commenter on iSteve asked recently, will Carlos Slim and Jeff Bezos decide that their investments in prestige media has not paid off in political influence and pull the plug?

    Cue end scene of Kingsmen when the world's elite have their heads explode.

    “A lot of powerful people have invested tens of millions of dollars in Hillary’s campaign..”

    Excellent. Let them have some light in their upper protrusions: the US is not a Saudi Arabia yet.

    Also, by “handling” Bernie, the DC machine has broken the DC party’ spine, making the whole party paraplegic. Mrs. Clinton is entering the history books as a protagonist of some very interesting stories to tell. The Podesta-WhiteHouse, Epstein-Cinton-Dershowitz, Saudis-Pentagon, and other axes make the fantastic material for illustrating the cynicism, corruption, and audacity of unsupervised power.

  125. @The Anti-Gnostic
    I would like the next Secretary of State to be Sen. Jeff Sessions.

    That would probably leave Rs with 51 (possibly 50 if Ds somehow win LA runoff) seats in the Senate. Not a wise move though Sessions is the best Republican politician on the Trump Train.

    He needs to bring Kobach onto the national scene.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    Good point. We need every (R) in the Senate.

    The country is divided electorally, and evenly, among hostile non-white ethnics and half the white people who hate the other half and wish they were dead. The slow-motion train wreck continues.
  126. @Rob (London)
    Long-time reader, commenter and supporter of Steve's work here. But I've never been able to get behind Trump. I'm not a supporter of Clinton or the Democrats by any means, and I have long wanted an "insurgent" candidate to shake things up, but I can't see how he is qualified to be president.

    Now it looks like Trump will win, I have a couple of genuine questions for Trump supporters. Do you have any concerns about how he will manage international relations, wrt Russia/NATO, the Korean peninsula and the middle east? And do you think he'll torpedo global efforts to reduce carbon emissions and limit global warming? (If you don't believe in man-made global warming then I guess you can opt out of that one.)

    Not a troll. A concerned observer. Are the potential downsides of a Trump presidency a price worth paying for the upsides?

    Are you related to Edmund Burke? Your concerns echo his.

    About international relations; most Americans (as per the vote) don’t see much positive in the military end of our international meddling. Europe is probably adult enough to manage its/their affairs without our occupying presence. My hope is that we stay very strong on defense –but from a more passive and domestic position.

    Carbon is generally viewed as a problem but, in the U.S., most of the response has been of the mindless, opportunistic Al Gore variety. Rather than a challenge to be addressed it’s been more of an excuse for more top down and international power seeking. My view is that, from an engineering view there are a number of worthwhile responses such as breeder reactor power and modifying the Earth’s albedo. Put another way, it should be an engineering challenge not a political opportunity.

  127. @Anonymous
    This could very well end up a full sweep- Presidency to Trump, House and Senate both to Republicans.

    and the Supreme Court

  128. @Steve Sailer
    Who will Trump make Secretary of State?

    whomever the republican lobbyists trump is relying upon to outfit his regime will pick the secretary of state.
    nothing has changed. nothing will change. there is not much difference between the two major parties. the duopoly is the money party. the duopoly is the war party. the coporocracy runs the show.
    and as philosopher emma goldman noted, if voting changed anything it would be banned.

    • Replies: @utu
    You exemplify what is wrong with the alt right. It is defeatist because it believes in conspiracy theory that the super elite controls all outcomes. The left nonetheless of Emma Goldman' statement for several generations worked very hard within the system and managed to take over most of the institutions w/o which the System cannot control us. So the left became the part of the System but they forced to change it. The alt right should learn from the left and catapult defeatist conspiracy theories form among its ranks.
  129. @Anonynous
    Congratulations Amerika!!! Thank you for ripping off the mask and showing the fvgly deplorable mug behind.

    May God Almighty accelerate the rot from within. Amen.

    :)

    Far out, Dude. Gott mit uns. It was those nazi coal miners.

  130. Sheldon Adelson is P.M. B. Netanyahu’s primary financial supporter.

    Sheldon Adelson donated > 25 million to Donald Trump’s successful POTUS campaign.

    Before the Zionist Trump train rolls over Americans and Palestinians, I humbly suggest that an assembly of web site editors convene a “Forum” on what could/should be done before tragedy strikes. (Note: By now, all “turf” donation-competition should/could be placed aside, and start an outreach for a common sense & moral high ground)

    Below is an article written by Counterpunch co-editor, J. St. Clair which (ideally) may inspire other un-controlled web site editors to convene an emergency “Forum.”

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/11/09/the-cataclysm-notes-on-election-day-and-the-politics-of-exhaustion/

    Of course, I humbly recommend including the bravest & most sincere journalist voices, from around the world, in such a potentially meaningful Forum. For example, just look at how the word from “Pilots for 9-11 Truth” has taken off? Thanks very much… I must go now and drive school bus!

  131. @Lawrence Fitton
    whomever the republican lobbyists trump is relying upon to outfit his regime will pick the secretary of state.
    nothing has changed. nothing will change. there is not much difference between the two major parties. the duopoly is the money party. the duopoly is the war party. the coporocracy runs the show.
    and as philosopher emma goldman noted, if voting changed anything it would be banned.

    You exemplify what is wrong with the alt right. It is defeatist because it believes in conspiracy theory that the super elite controls all outcomes. The left nonetheless of Emma Goldman’ statement for several generations worked very hard within the system and managed to take over most of the institutions w/o which the System cannot control us. So the left became the part of the System but they forced to change it. The alt right should learn from the left and catapult defeatist conspiracy theories form among its ranks.

  132. @anonymous
    That would probably leave Rs with 51 (possibly 50 if Ds somehow win LA runoff) seats in the Senate. Not a wise move though Sessions is the best Republican politician on the Trump Train.

    He needs to bring Kobach onto the national scene.

    Good point. We need every (R) in the Senate.

    The country is divided electorally, and evenly, among hostile non-white ethnics and half the white people who hate the other half and wish they were dead. The slow-motion train wreck continues.

  133. @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever...
    What happened to that "Boethius" character and all the other Hillary! shills on here?
    Fuck you is what happened.

    That gave me a chuckle, especially since the nom de plume Boethius should be held by someone on the right in this age of our civilization. We most need the consolations of philosophy, even if Trump won’t be reading it with us.

    For my part, I have my concerns about Trump. I don’t see how he doesn’t come across to some as boorish and clueless, and uninterested in getting a clue. I worry he will start a war by unhappy accident that my country will be implicated in [Canada- we join most of America’s wars, though we skipped the really stupid one in 03. And Vietnam, which was less stupid but wouldn’t have done us any good at all].

    On the other hand, I have hope that to some degree it’s a persona, to some degree it’s just a man of decent instincts who will allow himself to learn into the job, and somehow it will all work. And it’s nice if he doesn’t start an equally stupid war as deliberate policy, as Hill would.

    And I am entirely agreed that it’s nice Americans have someone who thinks American interests matter.

    And I hope that his movement will build in a direction a little less racialist and a little more citizenist over time. There is room for that. And, although in my dreams I am on board with it not happening, we need it. Majority minority will probably happen. You need to prepare. Perhaps so do we.

    Sorry to ramble.

    For the record, there is a big part of me that is thrilled. And a bigger part of me thrilled that all my coworkers are verklempt. A young millennial colleague, who has been loudly vocal on these issues in the most sneering and patronizing ways, is not in today. It could be for any of a dozen reasons.

    But I hope it’s because he is still in the fetal position, weeping hot tears and unable to control his digestive tract.

    (Sorry to share that much personal venom. Some things can’t be contained.) Congratulations to all in this house. Long may it go on.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    When your pathetic self-hating America-hating white-hating coworker returns, you should ask him whether he is going to get on board with Trump's program so as not to be "divisive."
  134. Trump must not compromise with the left. Any compromise will lead to his failure because his will abandon him. He must not pretend that he will compromise with the left even for tactical reasons and deception. His base must be reminded every day that Trump is fighting for their vision of America that is not congruent and never will be with the vision the left is trying to impose on America. And we should all remember that the neocons are really a part of the left., its militant foreign policy arm.

    • Agree: joef
    • Replies: @Miro23

    "His base must be reminded every day that Trump is fighting for their vision of America that is not congruent and never will be with the vision the left is trying to impose on America. And we should all remember that the Neo-cons are really a part of the left., its militant foreign policy arm."
     
    I agree with that. In my opinion the best way would be to sit down with the FBI.

    Past and present FBI agents know a lot about the Deep State but have non-disclosure agreements and strong penalties against speaking out.

    Cancel the non-disclosure and give each of them immunity to speak about illegal activities they have been involved with to a (military?) commission , cross-check their stories and expose what has really been going on for the last 50 years.

    The USA surely has to have this to move forward.
  135. @Kyle McKenna
    Trump, before he got a tad too political, supported national health care (single payer), higher taxes and tariffs on imports to protect American (mostly blue collar) jobs, using public money to build bridges, roads, hospitals and create ready jobs; Mr. Trump also supported abortion rights, same-sex marriage (he opposed DOMA), opposed the Citizens United decision and was a supporter and advocate for Planned Parenthood. Unlike other Republicans, he insisted that Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid must be protected.

    He was always a moderate who simply maintained that laws should be followed, else they didn't mean anything, and that includes borders and immigration.

    Here he was, speaking to Republicans at the primary debate:

    “We have done a tremendous disservice not only to the Middle East — we've done a tremendous disservice to humanity. The people that have been killed, the people that have been wiped away — and for what? It's not like we had victory. It's a mess. The Middle East is totally destabilized, a total and complete mess. I wish we had the 4 trillion dollars or 5 trillion dollars. I wish it were spent right here in the United States on schools, hospitals, roads, bridges, and everything else that is all falling apart!"

    Let's hope that he remembers some or maybe even all of what he stood for, before too many 'minders' got into the mix. But who am I to second-guess his strategy, if he's really slain the Dreaded Hildebeest this evening? Oh, and Patrick Buchanan for Secy of State.

    I’m coming from the outside, from dread Canada, so take it for what it’s worth.

    Unlike Mark Steyn these many years, I’m not buying that our single payer health care is a tyrannical measure depriving us of freedom. It has many {!} problems, but that’s nuts. If we had anyone here interested in freedom, that wouldn’t be used against them any more than the rest of our public infrastructure would be, if they were operating within the legal political system however vociferously. If they were engaged in rebellion, lack of health care would presumably not be a problem anyway.

    So I never got that particular notion. Health care can be a market commodity, or it can be a utility. Maybe the latter can still have market players on the edge, like almost all non-Canadian versions. Either way, America’s succession of hybrids have looked like one mess after another at least to me. Krauthammer moaning about Obama nationalizing “one sixth of the economy” always made me think, what kind of messed up place has 1/6 of a huge economy tied up in health insurance? That’s unproductive GDP of the most extreme form.

    Like I said, take it for what it’s worth.

    On some of the other socon issues, I’m sort of with the American right. But I never cared much about gay marriage and that issue is not coming back. Gay people have always been with us, and since I’m not religious and know that civil marriage has been around for a couple of centuries, I can’t get worked up about this purely governmental function being available to gays. The churches should be free to not do them.

    For the rest, were I in America, I’d probably cheer Donald on if he were to implement every bit of the agenda you mentioned in some sort of nationalist, citizenist framework. If he managed a fraction of that, he’d probably be saving America, its identity as a republic, his party, the right, and even the rest of us all together. It’s about the only way to get something of a Trumpist program through and make it stick for the long haul by winning over some people. That has to be done sooner rather than later for victory to last.

  136. Trumps cabinet
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3920814/Now-meet-men-women-rule-America-Inside-conservative-cabinet-Trump-lining-up.html

    But pls no Sarah Palin. Laura Ingram yes. Christi and Giuliani yes but keep them away from any foreign and military affairs on which they speak the same language as neocons. Session yes. Gen. Flynn yes.

    And I would add Steve Sailer and Ann Coulter. Somebody must keep an eye on the ideological spine and the doctrine. Any ideology, any movement needs its of Dr. Rosenberg or comrade Zhdanov.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    Agreed. I like Palin personally but she doesn't seem that bright and doesn't have the experience for most portfolios -- maybe something in energy regulation and extraction.

    I'd keep Christie and Giuliani away from fed gov entirely, but Trump surely will bring them in, and I understand that he feels indebted to those two.

    Steve Sailer and Ann Coulter absolutely should be appointed to meaningfully powerful positions, along with Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan if their health permits. And how about Philip Giraldi?

  137. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    American Moral Paradox is amazing.

    On the one hand, there is the Narrative of Eternal Shame and (white)’Guilt’ over ‘genocide’ of Indians and slavery of blacks(and various other ‘racisms’ and other ‘isms’).

    So, America was built on evil and it sucks.

    BUT, because Americans are so wonderfully conscientious of their own ‘guilt’ and work at ‘progress’, that gives them the moral justification to lay waste entire nations around the world.

    “Because we killed Emmit Till long ago and feel sorry about it, we can starve 500,000 Iraqi children with sanctions, support Zionist oppression of Palestinians, collude in the massive looting of Russia, and the destruction of Libya and Syria.”

    Funny that the nation that professes the most guilt about its own history(after Germany, but Germany is politically powerless) feels the greatest moral pride in attacking and destroying other nations and brutalizing millions of people, esp in the Middle East.

    Or maybe Americans need to morally compensate in foreign policy what they lose in domestic policy. I mean white Americans of course.

    The narrative says white Americans deserve no moral pride in the US… so they could only get some by acting holier-than-thou to other nations, even to the point of committing violence 100000x greater than anything the KKK did.

    But even this logic is strange. In Somalia, American soldiers can shoot a whole bunch of the backward ‘savages'(like in Blackhawk Down)… but the minute those ‘savages’ land on US soil, whites must take moral backseat to them and morally bow down to them.
    Because we say Black Lives Matter over here, we can act like black lives don’t matter over there.

  138. @utu
    Thomas Friedman
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/09/opinion/were-near-the-breaking-point.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=span-abc-region&region=span-abc-region&WT.nav=span-abc-region

    "Before I lay out all my fears, is there any silver lining to be found in this vote? I’ve been searching for hours, and the only one I can find is this: I don’t think Trump was truly committed to a single word or policy he offered during the campaign, except one phrase: “I want to win.”"

    They hope to co-opt Trump and in the meantime live in denial.

    One after another of the MSM outlets is running versions of “angry, racist, poorly-educated whites” being the cause of this cataclysm.

    Well, it wouldn’t be reasonable to expect the MSM to stop retailing the many lies they tell themselves (and the rest of us, if we’re foolish enough to listen) all of a sudden, if ever.

    Trump’s election, if we’re fortunate, will be just the initial blow in a colossal effort to reform American society. But, no such effort will succeed without taking down the owners of the MSM, and that’ll be a lot harder than winning an election. For to the masses, the MSM manufactures ‘truth’.

    • Replies: @KA
    Both Democrats and the Republican are offering wrong logic ,explanation,and reasons of Trump's success . Those very Republicans who were bristling at Trump for digging up the dirt on Bush Jr-Cheney gang infested regime and activities ,for not having a perpetual war plan ,for not confronting ISIS, for suggesting of better deal from Iran and not suggesting to bomb Iran ,for suggesting an even handed tough approach to Israel Palestine conflicts ,for focusing on illegal immigration,for daring to raise official versions on 911 and Iraq war ,for expressing sadness and guilt over the killings of the millions of Iraqis and thousands of maimed and dead coalition soldiers - are now trying to jump on his chariot to find a stable position hoping to modify Trump further .
    They have already to some extent . Original focus of Trump did get diluted in the course of the election process -thanks to the MSM's aversion to facts realities and explanations.

    Like pure Leo Straussian votaries and practitioners,they have shown official aversion against bigotry,racism,and divisiveness but forced Trump to be more racist bigot and divisive in the wake of Paris and other terrorism and invasion of EU by Arabs immigrants . Now the same Republicans ( Talk show,FOX news, and numerous Anti Trump Congressman and Senators ) are again at it trying to misdirect Trump from his initial position on illegal immigration ,on war, on numerous conflicts around the world and on Federal Reserve ,on trades. These Republicans are emphasizing that a Trump victory means people wan war against ISIS,against Iran , against Muslim Brotherhood and wants to see America stand up on the world stage with better military ( These liars could not say that Americans want war with China and Russia - that will be too much even by their standard but they never lack in verbal imaginary rhetorical resources to hide Starussian origin of their thinking ,to confuse genuine anger at ,economic realities , erosion of cultural and religious values and zeitgeist of America with nonexistent terror threat from state e and non-state actors mostly manufactured by both Republicans and Democrats alike over last 16 yrs and they don't give up .
    They create the situation of possible war by demanding for more military defense and preparedness Who is going to object to more military more budget better military ? Saying otherwise will be unpatriotic . Explanation can work but who has time patience and some basic capacity to link disparate phenomena together . Soundbites that drive passion for aggression and wars are plenty always in inventory but in short supply when comes to increase awareness and to confront misinformation .)
    , @Rod1963

    Trump’s election, if we’re fortunate, will be just the initial blow in a colossal effort to reform American society. But, no such effort will succeed without taking down the owners of the MSM, and that’ll be a lot harder than winning an election. For to the masses, the MSM manufactures ‘truth’.
     
    Quite true. The MSM has for many decades served as "gate keeper" to keep out men like Trump and other populists that the political class didn't want inside the tent. The MSM essentially engaged in character assassination and censoring candidates who the system didn't approve of.

    Trump did a lot to discredit the MSM in the eyes of the American people, but it's up to us to cease feeding the beast and starve it of revenue.
  139. @neprof
    Pat Buchanan if he's up to it, else John Bolton

    That makes no sense, given that Bolton’s worldview and philosophy on using military force is NOTHING like Buchanan’s.

    I hope to God that Trump keeps Bolton out of the government.

    Bring both Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul in as foreign-policy advisors.

    Also would like to see Trump consult closely and ally himself with Rand Paul in the Senate and Justin Amash and his crew in the House, especially on the need to keep us the Hell out of more military interventions, bombings, dronings, and sanctions.

    • Replies: @Talha
    Dang bro - you're on a roll there! Nice suggestions!!!

    Hope the voting went without a hitch!

    Peace.
  140. @Seneca
    I never visit the Huffington Post or Slate or other pseudo multi-cultural left wing sites (with their relentless White male bashing), because I worry what reading that swill will do to my blood pressure.

    Some of my friends like to visit to see what the other side is thinking.

    Today in the aftermath of Trump's victory, I couldn't resist visiting.

    I am happy to say that schadenfreude feels good like I suspected it would.

    I knew i would have been very disappointed if Hillary won, but the MSM polls had at least prepared me for that possibility. On the other hand nurse Ratchet's supporters were totally convinced she would win. Oh there is no pain like the pain of pride goeth before a fall. I think de Tocqueville theorized that most revolutions happen when people 's rising expectations are dashed. I can see why. These people have been gobsmacked, and are in a state of shock.

    The he amount of emotional pain, shock, and outrage that the SJW bots are experiencing on those sites is mind blowing. They actually think Trump is the new Hitler and abortion will be illegal and women and blacks will be put back in chains, etc....

    It is quite astonishing.

    But I have to admit kinda of enjoyable in a schadenfreude type of way.

    Though it is a little bit frightening when I realize how crazy some of these people are.

    Between trying to calm these people down and dealing with cuckservative traitors in his own party. Trump definitely has his work cut out for him.

    Buckle up I think the ride is about to get even more interesting.

    How he deals with the DC establishment of the two parties is going to be fascinating.

    How he deals with the DC establishment of the two parties is going to be fascinating.

    No problemo. He’ll do it in the “old fashioned way” – doling out projects in favored districts.

    The Congress will be quite happy to spend money on infrastructure stimulus.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    Fine with me IF he cuts some other spending to pay for it rather than borrowing even more. Like our bloated military-base network and constant wars. But I'm skeptical on that score.
  141. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/kampeas/status/796180022247591937

    Exits:, Clinton gets 74 percent of Jewish vote

    Oh my – mindless ZZ’s (Zionist Zombies) fall right in line AGAIN – Big Jews win!

  142. @JosephB
    "Now it looks like Trump will win, I have a couple of genuine questions for Trump supporters. Do you have any concerns about how he will manage international relations, wrt Russia/NATO, the Korean peninsula and the middle east? "

    No. You just listed several reasons I voted for him. Why are we in a pissing contest with Russia over Syria? I don't see compelling US interests there. Certainly nothing worth going to the mat with Russia over. Looking at the Russian press, they are *pissed* about our actions. Neither side wants a war, but history is full of cases where neither side wanted a war but got one anyway. Armed men glaring at each other is not a stable situation. We got lucky with the cold war.

    For South Korea, why are we defending them from a country with half their population and a tiny fraction of their wealth? If they cannot hold off North Korea, it stems from a lack of willingness to fight for themselves. If you're worried about a Chinese invasion, I see that as unlikely. I'm even more skeptical of the Japanese trying to retake the peninsula.

    For the middle east, bin Laden's call to arms was the US had military bases in the middle east and supported the Saudis and Israel. I see Trump reducing the first two. I'm not sure where he is with Israel. If we've learned anything in the past 15 years, it is that taking down dictators often makes things worse. So I see the region becoming more stable and hating us less.


    With respect to global warming, put me in the skeptic bin. However, it doesn't matter much from a policy perspective. At present, there is no energy system ready to step up and take the place of coal and natural gas. The fundamental problem is that wind and solar are variable, and energy storage technology is not up to the task. Nuclear is plausible, but we'll need regulatory reforms to reduce costs and a large dose of Xanax for concerned environmentalists.

    You might consider too the US alliance with Australia but from a slightly different angle… What does Australia get from being America’s most reliable and loyal ally for at least 66 years, bar none?

    Shared intelligence and privileged access (at a v high price) to superior American military technology. Yes, but I I argue that there is nothing else to justify our putting ourselves at the bitter end of Islamist wrath (although we should discriminate against Muslims as immigrants and refugees).

    What big country in Asia, including the US, is going to look benignly on passing of control of what happens on Australia’s landmass (central to much of the world’s ocean space if you invert a globe: but here, as to its maritime location, I merely quote an interesting speech I heard long ago)?

    For China Australia is a well run quarry where lots of Chinese buy real estate and send their children to be educated. What would the reaction of Japan be to Indonesia trying to Indonesia encroaching on its SEe neighbour? Would India passively accept any country’s attempted takeover of Australia? And so on.

    The status quo suits everyone – without Australia having to fight in America’s wars (though effective armies do need to keep their troops used to actually killing people cf. Bosnian and Rwandan experiences). But Australian politicians – even PMs and Leaders of the Opposition who have been smart and confident enough to be Rhodes Scholars (4 I can think of in the last 35 years) can be duchessed in the great metropolises of the Northern Hemisphere and, paradoxically, that could be just as bad with the cunning Donald Trump in the White House….(Any predictions about his persuasive powers working on foreigners?).

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    Australia shares intelligence with the US, the US doesn't share intelligence with Australia. This is the reason Whitlam spoke of booting the CIA out and ending such intelligence sharing agreements and the real reason he was deposed. The realisation that the US was undermining the democracy of an ally was what drove Christopher Boyce to espionage.
  143. @RadicalCenter
    That makes no sense, given that Bolton's worldview and philosophy on using military force is NOTHING like Buchanan's.

    I hope to God that Trump keeps Bolton out of the government.

    Bring both Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul in as foreign-policy advisors.

    Also would like to see Trump consult closely and ally himself with Rand Paul in the Senate and Justin Amash and his crew in the House, especially on the need to keep us the Hell out of more military interventions, bombings, dronings, and sanctions.

    Dang bro – you’re on a roll there! Nice suggestions!!!

    Hope the voting went without a hitch!

    Peace.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    Yes, and I had fun with it, too, Talha.

    As always when I vote here in Los Angeles, I get to the table and offer my passport as identification. The poll "worker" -- almost always a non-native speaker of English and indifferent to hostile maybe half the time -- always refuses to look at it and looks mildly irritated.

    I ask, "Aren't you going to check my ID? How do you know I am [my name]? How do you know I'm even a citizen?"

    After they respond or just stand there rudely, I further ask, "How many people voted at this precinct today who aren't even United States citizens, do you have an estimate?"

    F--- them, I want my country back.

  144. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Looks like Hillary got too close to the sun and got burned.

    Maybe she had ideals when younger and even when she entered white house with hubby in 92.

    But over the yrs, she saw and noticed that in post-ideological end-of-history age, it’s not what you think but whom you know. It’s about naked power and connections and privilege. And indeed, Billy Boy Clinton built up new Democratic Party into Uniparty by dumping the Labor losers(later to be called deplorables or undesirables I guess) and sucking up to Wall Street. Also, a new vast wealth class was coming into being with dot.com industry, and Democrats won it over. And there is power of AIPAC.
    So, Hillary coddled up to it… but so many of these big sharks dumped her for Obama in 2008. What went wrong? Wasn’t she whore enough to them?
    So, for 2016, she decided to take no chances. She would be total total total whore to the Power. And boy, the Power loved her and showered her with money and media and ads..
    But she got too close to the sun, and in the eyes of enough voters, her credibility got burned out of existence. Her only themes were Power, It’s my turn cuz I’m a woman, and Trump is a bad guy because… he insulted a latino fatty.

    In a way, Bill Boy made her and destroyed her. Thanks to Billy Boy’s realignment in 90s, Democrats reached new heights of power by making a pact with the ‘devil’ of Big Money and globalist free trade oligarchy. Money poured in from the super-rich. And that gave huge boost to Hillary.
    But too much of this ruined her credibility in the eyes of enough voters.

    • Replies: @dcite

    Maybe she had ideals when younger and even when she entered white house with hubby in 92.
     
    No. She never had any ideals. Well--maybe in the 3rd grade. Who knows; but they were long gone by the time she was an aspiring legal eagle in college. Her handling (literally) of the underwear in the Kathy Shelton rape case is proof positive. She admitted she deliberately cut the convicting evidence out of the perps undies, probably chuckling away even then; she did pat herself on the back in her interview describing how she got him off knowing full well he was guilty. But then, I guess a lot of lawyers are like that. One defense lawyer wrote in a major law journal, of how he was scared straight out of his profession when he was stunned (and nearly attacked) by the horrified victim of one of his won-cases, getting an obviously guilty party off.

    I know people from Arkansas who have always known about the legendary corruption, including murder and drug running, of the Clinton pair. They never had any ideals. Only ambition, and in his case, a facade of charm.

    And while, at 27, she was not exactly fired from the Watergate committee, she did not distinguish herself for ethics and ideals:


    In neither of his books does Zeifman say he fired Clinton. But in 2008, a reporter named Dan Calabrese wrote an article that claimed that “when the investigation was over, Zeifman fired Hillary from the committee staff and refused to give her a letter of recommendation.” The article quoted Zeifman as saying: “She was a liar. She was an unethical, dishonest lawyer. She conspired to violate the Constitution, the rules of the House, the rules of the committee and the rules of confidentiality.”…

    In 1999, nine years before the Calabrese interview, Zeifman told the Scripps-Howard news agency: “If I had the power to fire her, I would have fired her.” In a 2008 interview on “The Neal Boortz Show,” Zeifman was asked directly whether he fired her. His answer: “Well, let me put it this way. I terminated her, along with some other staff members who were — we no longer needed, and advised her that I would not — could not recommend her for any further positions.”
     

    Ideals schemeals. Neverthere Neverthere
    , @Bill jones
    You do not believe that slick Willy is not happy about the debacle, do you?
  145. @utu
    Trumps cabinet
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3920814/Now-meet-men-women-rule-America-Inside-conservative-cabinet-Trump-lining-up.html

    But pls no Sarah Palin. Laura Ingram yes. Christi and Giuliani yes but keep them away from any foreign and military affairs on which they speak the same language as neocons. Session yes. Gen. Flynn yes.

    And I would add Steve Sailer and Ann Coulter. Somebody must keep an eye on the ideological spine and the doctrine. Any ideology, any movement needs its of Dr. Rosenberg or comrade Zhdanov.

    Agreed. I like Palin personally but she doesn’t seem that bright and doesn’t have the experience for most portfolios — maybe something in energy regulation and extraction.

    I’d keep Christie and Giuliani away from fed gov entirely, but Trump surely will bring them in, and I understand that he feels indebted to those two.

    Steve Sailer and Ann Coulter absolutely should be appointed to meaningfully powerful positions, along with Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan if their health permits. And how about Philip Giraldi?

  146. @Talha
    Dang bro - you're on a roll there! Nice suggestions!!!

    Hope the voting went without a hitch!

    Peace.

    Yes, and I had fun with it, too, Talha.

    As always when I vote here in Los Angeles, I get to the table and offer my passport as identification. The poll “worker” — almost always a non-native speaker of English and indifferent to hostile maybe half the time — always refuses to look at it and looks mildly irritated.

    I ask, “Aren’t you going to check my ID? How do you know I am [my name]? How do you know I’m even a citizen?”

    After they respond or just stand there rudely, I further ask, “How many people voted at this precinct today who aren’t even United States citizens, do you have an estimate?”

    F— them, I want my country back.

    • Replies: @Talha
    Glad it went smoothly, RC.

    Yeah - I think by the next time you have to do this there may indeed be more scrutiny on identification of voters to prevent fraud.

    And it's interesting about the issue of presenting identification for voting - there may be a gulf between the people who want to prevent it and the attitude of people they are ostensibly trying to help - they seem to think it is condescending:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odB1wWPqSlE

    Peace.
  147. @random observer
    That gave me a chuckle, especially since the nom de plume Boethius should be held by someone on the right in this age of our civilization. We most need the consolations of philosophy, even if Trump won't be reading it with us.

    For my part, I have my concerns about Trump. I don't see how he doesn't come across to some as boorish and clueless, and uninterested in getting a clue. I worry he will start a war by unhappy accident that my country will be implicated in [Canada- we join most of America's wars, though we skipped the really stupid one in 03. And Vietnam, which was less stupid but wouldn't have done us any good at all].

    On the other hand, I have hope that to some degree it's a persona, to some degree it's just a man of decent instincts who will allow himself to learn into the job, and somehow it will all work. And it's nice if he doesn't start an equally stupid war as deliberate policy, as Hill would.

    And I am entirely agreed that it's nice Americans have someone who thinks American interests matter.

    And I hope that his movement will build in a direction a little less racialist and a little more citizenist over time. There is room for that. And, although in my dreams I am on board with it not happening, we need it. Majority minority will probably happen. You need to prepare. Perhaps so do we.

    Sorry to ramble.

    For the record, there is a big part of me that is thrilled. And a bigger part of me thrilled that all my coworkers are verklempt. A young millennial colleague, who has been loudly vocal on these issues in the most sneering and patronizing ways, is not in today. It could be for any of a dozen reasons.

    But I hope it's because he is still in the fetal position, weeping hot tears and unable to control his digestive tract.

    (Sorry to share that much personal venom. Some things can't be contained.) Congratulations to all in this house. Long may it go on.

    When your pathetic self-hating America-hating white-hating coworker returns, you should ask him whether he is going to get on board with Trump’s program so as not to be “divisive.”

  148. @another fred

    How he deals with the DC establishment of the two parties is going to be fascinating.
     
    No problemo. He'll do it in the "old fashioned way" - doling out projects in favored districts.

    The Congress will be quite happy to spend money on infrastructure stimulus.

    Fine with me IF he cuts some other spending to pay for it rather than borrowing even more. Like our bloated military-base network and constant wars. But I’m skeptical on that score.

  149. @RadicalCenter
    Yes, and I had fun with it, too, Talha.

    As always when I vote here in Los Angeles, I get to the table and offer my passport as identification. The poll "worker" -- almost always a non-native speaker of English and indifferent to hostile maybe half the time -- always refuses to look at it and looks mildly irritated.

    I ask, "Aren't you going to check my ID? How do you know I am [my name]? How do you know I'm even a citizen?"

    After they respond or just stand there rudely, I further ask, "How many people voted at this precinct today who aren't even United States citizens, do you have an estimate?"

    F--- them, I want my country back.

    Glad it went smoothly, RC.

    Yeah – I think by the next time you have to do this there may indeed be more scrutiny on identification of voters to prevent fraud.

    And it’s interesting about the issue of presenting identification for voting – there may be a gulf between the people who want to prevent it and the attitude of people they are ostensibly trying to help – they seem to think it is condescending:

    Peace.

    • Replies: @mtn cur
    Hi man, we all need to keep reminding both parties and the citizens that Trumps win is not a round across bow, but a salvo into the wheelhouse of both crews. It is dangerous that there were none but democrats to replace republican fat cats with.
  150. Today was one of the best days of my life.

    Long live the Donald!

  151. @utu
    Trump must not compromise with the left. Any compromise will lead to his failure because his will abandon him. He must not pretend that he will compromise with the left even for tactical reasons and deception. His base must be reminded every day that Trump is fighting for their vision of America that is not congruent and never will be with the vision the left is trying to impose on America. And we should all remember that the neocons are really a part of the left., its militant foreign policy arm.

    “His base must be reminded every day that Trump is fighting for their vision of America that is not congruent and never will be with the vision the left is trying to impose on America. And we should all remember that the Neo-cons are really a part of the left., its militant foreign policy arm.”

    I agree with that. In my opinion the best way would be to sit down with the FBI.

    Past and present FBI agents know a lot about the Deep State but have non-disclosure agreements and strong penalties against speaking out.

    Cancel the non-disclosure and give each of them immunity to speak about illegal activities they have been involved with to a (military?) commission , cross-check their stories and expose what has really been going on for the last 50 years.

    The USA surely has to have this to move forward.

    • Replies: @annamaria
    Excellent plan. But one cannot exclude an American "Gladio"coming to rescue of the Deep State' biggies on the biggies' orders.
    Yet the sooner the declassification of documents that are pertinent to illegal activities of the US government could accomplished, the healthier and stronger the US society at large would become.
  152. “They were careless people, Bill and Hillary – they smashed things up and retreated back into their money and their vast carelessness, or whatever it was that kept them together, and let other people clean up the mess.”

    Daniel Hopsicker (thanks to Scott Fitzgerald).

    “As was painfully obvious last night, voters didn’t want Hillary Clinton. So, who did? Answer: Those whose hands were on the levers of the rigged Democratic primaries. The fix was in, as was clear to anyone with eyes to see:”

    It’s worth reading his article: http://www.madcowprod.com/2016/11/09/media-party-elite-responsible-hillary-debacle/

    • Replies: @bunga
    This is what it means to be bill Clinton this is what he brings to the plate-, a man beyond redemption ,beyond disbelief ,beyond the c confines of psychopathy

    "A Wikileaked transcript of a speech Bill Clinton gave to Democratic Party powerbrokers at a fundraiser in Potomac is a sharp reminder of just how noxious he truly is. Clinton unloaded on Bernie Sanders and the European Left, wildly attacking Jeremy Corbyn and Alex Tsipiras, as radical zealots, calling Corbyn “a person off the streets” and the “maddest person in the room.”

    Hillary says that you have to have a campaign that appeals to the struggling, the striving and the successful. We have to do this together. And Bernie says just go get the money from the millionaires. And it sounds good because there’s – to a lot of people, if you look all over the world – the British Labor Party disposed of its most (inaudible) leader, David Miliband, because they were mad at him for being part of Tony Blair’s government in the Iraq War. And they moved to the left and put his brother in as leader because the British labor movement wanted it. When David Cameron thumped him in the election, they reached the interesting conclusion that they lost because they hadn’t moved far left enough, and so they went out and practically got a guy off the street to be the leader of the British Labour Party, who I saw in the press today said that he was really a British citizen and had real British (inaudible). (Laughter.)"

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/11/09/the-cataclysm-notes-on-election-day-and-the-politics-of-exhaustion/

  153. The bad thing is that some *smartest* of our country are literlly trying to frighten people with the coup bcos of Tump’s Presidency. That’s natural hysteria over this. But at least now they have opened their real racial faces by saying “F*ck white America”

  154. @Kyle McKenna
    One after another of the MSM outlets is running versions of "angry, racist, poorly-educated whites" being the cause of this cataclysm.

    Well, it wouldn't be reasonable to expect the MSM to stop retailing the many lies they tell themselves (and the rest of us, if we're foolish enough to listen) all of a sudden, if ever.

    Trump's election, if we're fortunate, will be just the initial blow in a colossal effort to reform American society. But, no such effort will succeed without taking down the owners of the MSM, and that'll be a lot harder than winning an election. For to the masses, the MSM manufactures 'truth'.

    Both Democrats and the Republican are offering wrong logic ,explanation,and reasons of Trump’s success . Those very Republicans who were bristling at Trump for digging up the dirt on Bush Jr-Cheney gang infested regime and activities ,for not having a perpetual war plan ,for not confronting ISIS, for suggesting of better deal from Iran and not suggesting to bomb Iran ,for suggesting an even handed tough approach to Israel Palestine conflicts ,for focusing on illegal immigration,for daring to raise official versions on 911 and Iraq war ,for expressing sadness and guilt over the killings of the millions of Iraqis and thousands of maimed and dead coalition soldiers – are now trying to jump on his chariot to find a stable position hoping to modify Trump further .
    They have already to some extent . Original focus of Trump did get diluted in the course of the election process -thanks to the MSM’s aversion to facts realities and explanations.

    Like pure Leo Straussian votaries and practitioners,they have shown official aversion against bigotry,racism,and divisiveness but forced Trump to be more racist bigot and divisive in the wake of Paris and other terrorism and invasion of EU by Arabs immigrants . Now the same Republicans ( Talk show,FOX news, and numerous Anti Trump Congressman and Senators ) are again at it trying to misdirect Trump from his initial position on illegal immigration ,on war, on numerous conflicts around the world and on Federal Reserve ,on trades. These Republicans are emphasizing that a Trump victory means people wan war against ISIS,against Iran , against Muslim Brotherhood and wants to see America stand up on the world stage with better military ( These liars could not say that Americans want war with China and Russia – that will be too much even by their standard but they never lack in verbal imaginary rhetorical resources to hide Starussian origin of their thinking ,to confuse genuine anger at ,economic realities , erosion of cultural and religious values and zeitgeist of America with nonexistent terror threat from state e and non-state actors mostly manufactured by both Republicans and Democrats alike over last 16 yrs and they don’t give up .
    They create the situation of possible war by demanding for more military defense and preparedness Who is going to object to more military more budget better military ? Saying otherwise will be unpatriotic . Explanation can work but who has time patience and some basic capacity to link disparate phenomena together . Soundbites that drive passion for aggression and wars are plenty always in inventory but in short supply when comes to increase awareness and to confront misinformation .)

  155. @Miro23

    "His base must be reminded every day that Trump is fighting for their vision of America that is not congruent and never will be with the vision the left is trying to impose on America. And we should all remember that the Neo-cons are really a part of the left., its militant foreign policy arm."
     
    I agree with that. In my opinion the best way would be to sit down with the FBI.

    Past and present FBI agents know a lot about the Deep State but have non-disclosure agreements and strong penalties against speaking out.

    Cancel the non-disclosure and give each of them immunity to speak about illegal activities they have been involved with to a (military?) commission , cross-check their stories and expose what has really been going on for the last 50 years.

    The USA surely has to have this to move forward.

    Excellent plan. But one cannot exclude an American “Gladio”coming to rescue of the Deep State’ biggies on the biggies’ orders.
    Yet the sooner the declassification of documents that are pertinent to illegal activities of the US government could accomplished, the healthier and stronger the US society at large would become.

  156. @Talha
    Glad it went smoothly, RC.

    Yeah - I think by the next time you have to do this there may indeed be more scrutiny on identification of voters to prevent fraud.

    And it's interesting about the issue of presenting identification for voting - there may be a gulf between the people who want to prevent it and the attitude of people they are ostensibly trying to help - they seem to think it is condescending:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odB1wWPqSlE

    Peace.

    Hi man, we all need to keep reminding both parties and the citizens that Trumps win is not a round across bow, but a salvo into the wheelhouse of both crews. It is dangerous that there were none but democrats to replace republican fat cats with.

    • Replies: @Talha
    Hey mtncur,

    Indeed - I don't like this two party system either, but it's been in place so long that one wonders what it'll take to get things really shaken up significantly. Now, from what I can see from Trump, I've heard some really good things and bad things coming out of his mouth. He has also been linked to some good people and some horrible people. I guess we'll have to wait to see if he can deliver on at least a significant amount of his more important proposals. I'm glad the people in the echelons of power were scared - that was a good sign to me.

    Peace.
  157. @Kyle McKenna
    One after another of the MSM outlets is running versions of "angry, racist, poorly-educated whites" being the cause of this cataclysm.

    Well, it wouldn't be reasonable to expect the MSM to stop retailing the many lies they tell themselves (and the rest of us, if we're foolish enough to listen) all of a sudden, if ever.

    Trump's election, if we're fortunate, will be just the initial blow in a colossal effort to reform American society. But, no such effort will succeed without taking down the owners of the MSM, and that'll be a lot harder than winning an election. For to the masses, the MSM manufactures 'truth'.

    Trump’s election, if we’re fortunate, will be just the initial blow in a colossal effort to reform American society. But, no such effort will succeed without taking down the owners of the MSM, and that’ll be a lot harder than winning an election. For to the masses, the MSM manufactures ‘truth’.

    Quite true. The MSM has for many decades served as “gate keeper” to keep out men like Trump and other populists that the political class didn’t want inside the tent. The MSM essentially engaged in character assassination and censoring candidates who the system didn’t approve of.

    Trump did a lot to discredit the MSM in the eyes of the American people, but it’s up to us to cease feeding the beast and starve it of revenue.

  158. @mtn cur
    Hi man, we all need to keep reminding both parties and the citizens that Trumps win is not a round across bow, but a salvo into the wheelhouse of both crews. It is dangerous that there were none but democrats to replace republican fat cats with.

    Hey mtncur,

    Indeed – I don’t like this two party system either, but it’s been in place so long that one wonders what it’ll take to get things really shaken up significantly. Now, from what I can see from Trump, I’ve heard some really good things and bad things coming out of his mouth. He has also been linked to some good people and some horrible people. I guess we’ll have to wait to see if he can deliver on at least a significant amount of his more important proposals. I’m glad the people in the echelons of power were scared – that was a good sign to me.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    I was about to say be careful what you wish for in response to your saying you don't like the two party system but maybe you are right for the US becauseof some particular features of America.

    Ordinarily I would say that multi party polities, where it is usually an elected chamber which lets new minor parties in through election by proportional representation, would be better off if they could persuade people to join the major parties and work in and through them. Certainly proportional representation is a disaster in practice despite being loved by earnest nerds. But maybe America is just too big and big money too important in its politics for it to be a good bet to join a major party and work your way up if you want to be a major force for change. Of course if you are very rich you can calculate whether the Perot or Trump choice is best. After the event we know the answer perhaps.

    Perhaps the Ralph Nader example makes sense if you want to influence the country and prompt change.

  159. @Miro23
    “They were careless people, Bill and Hillary – they smashed things up and retreated back into their money and their vast carelessness, or whatever it was that kept them together, and let other people clean up the mess.”

    Daniel Hopsicker (thanks to Scott Fitzgerald).

    "As was painfully obvious last night, voters didn’t want Hillary Clinton. So, who did? Answer: Those whose hands were on the levers of the rigged Democratic primaries. The fix was in, as was clear to anyone with eyes to see:"

    It's worth reading his article: http://www.madcowprod.com/2016/11/09/media-party-elite-responsible-hillary-debacle/

    This is what it means to be bill Clinton this is what he brings to the plate-, a man beyond redemption ,beyond disbelief ,beyond the c confines of psychopathy

    “A Wikileaked transcript of a speech Bill Clinton gave to Democratic Party powerbrokers at a fundraiser in Potomac is a sharp reminder of just how noxious he truly is. Clinton unloaded on Bernie Sanders and the European Left, wildly attacking Jeremy Corbyn and Alex Tsipiras, as radical zealots, calling Corbyn “a person off the streets” and the “maddest person in the room.”

    Hillary says that you have to have a campaign that appeals to the struggling, the striving and the successful. We have to do this together. And Bernie says just go get the money from the millionaires. And it sounds good because there’s – to a lot of people, if you look all over the world – the British Labor Party disposed of its most (inaudible) leader, David Miliband, because they were mad at him for being part of Tony Blair’s government in the Iraq War. And they moved to the left and put his brother in as leader because the British labor movement wanted it. When David Cameron thumped him in the election, they reached the interesting conclusion that they lost because they hadn’t moved far left enough, and so they went out and practically got a guy off the street to be the leader of the British Labour Party, who I saw in the press today said that he was really a British citizen and had real British (inaudible). (Laughter.)”

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/11/09/the-cataclysm-notes-on-election-day-and-the-politics-of-exhaustion/

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    Sounds as though you favour democracy no matter what.

    Your country doesn't have to be a rich country getting richer to have a democracy that holds together. Facing a common enemy under inspiring or at least credible leaders is one way it can work.

    Clearly rich Americans have failed to form a unity ticket - however many things they may agree on. - for making an economy hum and ensuring that enough people enjoy the prosperity to keep democracy stable and relatively complacent (if not as stable and complacent as, say, Norway). But it could have been done under wiser leadership and that's why I interpret Bill Clinton as only pointing out that there is absolutely no need to try stupid Corbyn or Tsipras policies. Stupid if for no other reason than the damage that socialists would do if they didn't accept that the most productive business people won't put up with government's trying to impose WW2 type taxes.
  160. @Anon
    Looks like Hillary got too close to the sun and got burned.

    Maybe she had ideals when younger and even when she entered white house with hubby in 92.

    But over the yrs, she saw and noticed that in post-ideological end-of-history age, it's not what you think but whom you know. It's about naked power and connections and privilege. And indeed, Billy Boy Clinton built up new Democratic Party into Uniparty by dumping the Labor losers(later to be called deplorables or undesirables I guess) and sucking up to Wall Street. Also, a new vast wealth class was coming into being with dot.com industry, and Democrats won it over. And there is power of AIPAC.
    So, Hillary coddled up to it... but so many of these big sharks dumped her for Obama in 2008. What went wrong? Wasn't she whore enough to them?
    So, for 2016, she decided to take no chances. She would be total total total whore to the Power. And boy, the Power loved her and showered her with money and media and ads..
    But she got too close to the sun, and in the eyes of enough voters, her credibility got burned out of existence. Her only themes were Power, It's my turn cuz I'm a woman, and Trump is a bad guy because... he insulted a latino fatty.

    In a way, Bill Boy made her and destroyed her. Thanks to Billy Boy's realignment in 90s, Democrats reached new heights of power by making a pact with the 'devil' of Big Money and globalist free trade oligarchy. Money poured in from the super-rich. And that gave huge boost to Hillary.
    But too much of this ruined her credibility in the eyes of enough voters.

    Maybe she had ideals when younger and even when she entered white house with hubby in 92.

    No. She never had any ideals. Well–maybe in the 3rd grade. Who knows; but they were long gone by the time she was an aspiring legal eagle in college. Her handling (literally) of the underwear in the Kathy Shelton rape case is proof positive. She admitted she deliberately cut the convicting evidence out of the perps undies, probably chuckling away even then; she did pat herself on the back in her interview describing how she got him off knowing full well he was guilty. But then, I guess a lot of lawyers are like that. One defense lawyer wrote in a major law journal, of how he was scared straight out of his profession when he was stunned (and nearly attacked) by the horrified victim of one of his won-cases, getting an obviously guilty party off.

    I know people from Arkansas who have always known about the legendary corruption, including murder and drug running, of the Clinton pair. They never had any ideals. Only ambition, and in his case, a facade of charm.

    And while, at 27, she was not exactly fired from the Watergate committee, she did not distinguish herself for ethics and ideals:

    In neither of his books does Zeifman say he fired Clinton. But in 2008, a reporter named Dan Calabrese wrote an article that claimed that “when the investigation was over, Zeifman fired Hillary from the committee staff and refused to give her a letter of recommendation.” The article quoted Zeifman as saying: “She was a liar. She was an unethical, dishonest lawyer. She conspired to violate the Constitution, the rules of the House, the rules of the committee and the rules of confidentiality.”…

    In 1999, nine years before the Calabrese interview, Zeifman told the Scripps-Howard news agency: “If I had the power to fire her, I would have fired her.” In a 2008 interview on “The Neal Boortz Show,” Zeifman was asked directly whether he fired her. His answer: “Well, let me put it this way. I terminated her, along with some other staff members who were — we no longer needed, and advised her that I would not — could not recommend her for any further positions.”

    Ideals schemeals. Neverthere Neverthere

    • Replies: @Anon
    Sheeeeeeiiiiiiit.

    But idealists often feel justified in breaking all the rules because of their ideals.

    They are on the right side, so anything they do is justified by that sense of rightness.

    Ideal isn't same as principle. Principle is about ethics of everyday activity. It's about having integrity. Ideals have the Long View, so anything perceived to serve that Vision is thought to be justified.

    This is why PC is so dangerous.
    It has no use for individual integrity and principle since it's all about collective goodness.

    It says there is the collective good and collective bad.

    It is the collectivity that matters, not individuality.

    So, if someone is for the collective bad but acts with integrity on the individual level, he is far worse than someone who is for the collective good but acts with lack of scruples(ostensibly to serve the Good).

    Now, there is SOME validity to this view.

    If one served an evil regime with honesty, diligence, responsibility, and sobriety(all positive individual qualities), he could be lauded for his personal qualities. But what if the goal of the regime was to invade Poland or starve millions of Ukrainians?

    In contrast, suppose someone was lacking in individual scruples but was part of a collective good, especially in defeating the collective evil. As having taken part in the noble movement, isn't he justified even if lacking in character?

    But, the problem with this view is that not everything is about Good vs Evil. It's not like WWII over and over and over. It's like not every war can be sold as the new 'Good War' against 'new Hitler'.

    But PC has created this moral dichotomy between The Good and The Evil.
    PC figures there may be unethical people on the Good, but they are for the Good.
    There may be men of honor and personal integrity on the Evil, but they are for the Evil. In some ways, their good qualities make them worse in some ways cuz they make evil more effective. Again, there is some validity to this view. Because Germans and Japanese had many positive individual qualities in terms of trust, diligence, thoroughness, and work ethic, they were more effective in serving the Evil Cause.

    But invoking the struggle of light and darkness for every historical scenario just gets ridiculous. But especially Jewish elites have tended to see every new struggle in terms of good guys vs new Nazis. So, even the homo issue turned into 'you must be hateful nazi if you don't support homo marriage'. So, even immigration issue is, 'you must be hateful nazi if you don't accept Muslim refugees or endless immigrants.'.

    Also, the supposed Good could very well turn out to be the bad. Radicals could become blindsided by its own conceit of good. And of course, this was true of both Nazi Germany and military Japan. And communists. Nazis were so sure they were on the side of good against the evil Jews, Japanese were so sure they were on the side of good yellows against bad whites, and commies were so sure they were on the right(or left) side of history that all three groups failed to see their means to achieve their ends were turning them into monsters.

    At any rate, the current Prog Glob is so decadent, degenerate, excessive, hysterical, and delusional that it fails to notice how evil and crazy it has become.
    Its conceit of Good is just that: conceit.

    Blacks are like this too. They are so wrapped up in slavery and 'racism' narrative that EVERYTHING is seen in terms of black victims vs KKK. Black moral narcissism has turned into moral supremacism that has turned into vanity and self-righteous vileness, like that of Jeremiah Wright. Blacks now sing ugly murderous rap songs but even see those as 'positive message'. They kill eachother but cops are to be blamed for all their problems.

    And ironically, Jewish globalist anti-Russian rhetoric is reminiscent of Nazi hatred of Slavs, but morally vain Jews only see Putin as 'new hitler'.

    PC says collective good trumps all. So, if you're on the Good side, your moral failings don't matter. You are Good cuz your side is good and your cause is good.
    So, never mind all the individual moral failings of the progs and globs. Their personal and individual sins are redeemed by the Collective Good, the narrative.
    It's like Soviet workers could slack off, steal, and mess up... but they were part of the Proletariat, thus justified.
    It's like Emma Sulkowicz could lie, cheat, and BS with her false accusation. But hey, she's on the collective good side of 'feminism' and 'rape culture' awareness.

    This kind of mentality exists on the right too, of course. The War on the Terror, the 'new cold war' that supposedly justified and excused all the BS of so many individuals that led to the war and destruction of Iraq that was innocent at least of accusations made by US government.
    And Iran-Contra Affair got out of hand too cuz the Ends were supposedly good.

    The idea of collective good can be valid if indeed the cause is good. Even so, no matter how good it may be, any cause has to be served by people with individual integrity and seriousness.
    But too often, people figure their personal ethics can slack off cuz they are on the side of good.

    But I suppose there are opportunists who just latch onto some Good Cause to rise up in the world. And they break all sorts of ethical rules not so much to serve the Cause but to serve their own ambition. The Glass guy of New Republic seems to have been mostly fired by ambition.
  161. @Wizard of Oz
    You might consider too the US alliance with Australia but from a slightly different angle... What does Australia get from being America's most reliable and loyal ally for at least 66 years, bar none?

    Shared intelligence and privileged access (at a v high price) to superior American military technology. Yes, but I I argue that there is nothing else to justify our putting ourselves at the bitter end of Islamist wrath (although we should discriminate against Muslims as immigrants and refugees).

    What big country in Asia, including the US, is going to look benignly on passing of control of what happens on Australia's landmass (central to much of the world's ocean space if you invert a globe: but here, as to its maritime location, I merely quote an interesting speech I heard long ago)?

    For China Australia is a well run quarry where lots of Chinese buy real estate and send their children to be educated. What would the reaction of Japan be to Indonesia trying to Indonesia encroaching on its SEe neighbour? Would India passively accept any country's attempted takeover of Australia? And so on.

    The status quo suits everyone - without Australia having to fight in America's wars (though effective armies do need to keep their troops used to actually killing people cf. Bosnian and Rwandan experiences). But Australian politicians - even PMs and Leaders of the Opposition who have been smart and confident enough to be Rhodes Scholars (4 I can think of in the last 35 years) can be duchessed in the great metropolises of the Northern Hemisphere and, paradoxically, that could be just as bad with the cunning Donald Trump in the White House....(Any predictions about his persuasive powers working on foreigners?).

    Australia shares intelligence with the US, the US doesn’t share intelligence with Australia. This is the reason Whitlam spoke of booting the CIA out and ending such intelligence sharing agreements and the real reason he was deposed. The realisation that the US was undermining the democracy of an ally was what drove Christopher Boyce to espionage.

  162. @bunga
    This is what it means to be bill Clinton this is what he brings to the plate-, a man beyond redemption ,beyond disbelief ,beyond the c confines of psychopathy

    "A Wikileaked transcript of a speech Bill Clinton gave to Democratic Party powerbrokers at a fundraiser in Potomac is a sharp reminder of just how noxious he truly is. Clinton unloaded on Bernie Sanders and the European Left, wildly attacking Jeremy Corbyn and Alex Tsipiras, as radical zealots, calling Corbyn “a person off the streets” and the “maddest person in the room.”

    Hillary says that you have to have a campaign that appeals to the struggling, the striving and the successful. We have to do this together. And Bernie says just go get the money from the millionaires. And it sounds good because there’s – to a lot of people, if you look all over the world – the British Labor Party disposed of its most (inaudible) leader, David Miliband, because they were mad at him for being part of Tony Blair’s government in the Iraq War. And they moved to the left and put his brother in as leader because the British labor movement wanted it. When David Cameron thumped him in the election, they reached the interesting conclusion that they lost because they hadn’t moved far left enough, and so they went out and practically got a guy off the street to be the leader of the British Labour Party, who I saw in the press today said that he was really a British citizen and had real British (inaudible). (Laughter.)"

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/11/09/the-cataclysm-notes-on-election-day-and-the-politics-of-exhaustion/

    Sounds as though you favour democracy no matter what.

    Your country doesn’t have to be a rich country getting richer to have a democracy that holds together. Facing a common enemy under inspiring or at least credible leaders is one way it can work.

    Clearly rich Americans have failed to form a unity ticket – however many things they may agree on. – for making an economy hum and ensuring that enough people enjoy the prosperity to keep democracy stable and relatively complacent (if not as stable and complacent as, say, Norway). But it could have been done under wiser leadership and that’s why I interpret Bill Clinton as only pointing out that there is absolutely no need to try stupid Corbyn or Tsipras policies. Stupid if for no other reason than the damage that socialists would do if they didn’t accept that the most productive business people won’t put up with government’s trying to impose WW2 type taxes.

  163. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @dcite

    Maybe she had ideals when younger and even when she entered white house with hubby in 92.
     
    No. She never had any ideals. Well--maybe in the 3rd grade. Who knows; but they were long gone by the time she was an aspiring legal eagle in college. Her handling (literally) of the underwear in the Kathy Shelton rape case is proof positive. She admitted she deliberately cut the convicting evidence out of the perps undies, probably chuckling away even then; she did pat herself on the back in her interview describing how she got him off knowing full well he was guilty. But then, I guess a lot of lawyers are like that. One defense lawyer wrote in a major law journal, of how he was scared straight out of his profession when he was stunned (and nearly attacked) by the horrified victim of one of his won-cases, getting an obviously guilty party off.

    I know people from Arkansas who have always known about the legendary corruption, including murder and drug running, of the Clinton pair. They never had any ideals. Only ambition, and in his case, a facade of charm.

    And while, at 27, she was not exactly fired from the Watergate committee, she did not distinguish herself for ethics and ideals:


    In neither of his books does Zeifman say he fired Clinton. But in 2008, a reporter named Dan Calabrese wrote an article that claimed that “when the investigation was over, Zeifman fired Hillary from the committee staff and refused to give her a letter of recommendation.” The article quoted Zeifman as saying: “She was a liar. She was an unethical, dishonest lawyer. She conspired to violate the Constitution, the rules of the House, the rules of the committee and the rules of confidentiality.”…

    In 1999, nine years before the Calabrese interview, Zeifman told the Scripps-Howard news agency: “If I had the power to fire her, I would have fired her.” In a 2008 interview on “The Neal Boortz Show,” Zeifman was asked directly whether he fired her. His answer: “Well, let me put it this way. I terminated her, along with some other staff members who were — we no longer needed, and advised her that I would not — could not recommend her for any further positions.”
     

    Ideals schemeals. Neverthere Neverthere

    Sheeeeeeiiiiiiit.

    But idealists often feel justified in breaking all the rules because of their ideals.

    They are on the right side, so anything they do is justified by that sense of rightness.

    Ideal isn’t same as principle. Principle is about ethics of everyday activity. It’s about having integrity. Ideals have the Long View, so anything perceived to serve that Vision is thought to be justified.

    This is why PC is so dangerous.
    It has no use for individual integrity and principle since it’s all about collective goodness.

    It says there is the collective good and collective bad.

    It is the collectivity that matters, not individuality.

    So, if someone is for the collective bad but acts with integrity on the individual level, he is far worse than someone who is for the collective good but acts with lack of scruples(ostensibly to serve the Good).

    Now, there is SOME validity to this view.

    If one served an evil regime with honesty, diligence, responsibility, and sobriety(all positive individual qualities), he could be lauded for his personal qualities. But what if the goal of the regime was to invade Poland or starve millions of Ukrainians?

    In contrast, suppose someone was lacking in individual scruples but was part of a collective good, especially in defeating the collective evil. As having taken part in the noble movement, isn’t he justified even if lacking in character?

    But, the problem with this view is that not everything is about Good vs Evil. It’s not like WWII over and over and over. It’s like not every war can be sold as the new ‘Good War’ against ‘new Hitler’.

    But PC has created this moral dichotomy between The Good and The Evil.
    PC figures there may be unethical people on the Good, but they are for the Good.
    There may be men of honor and personal integrity on the Evil, but they are for the Evil. In some ways, their good qualities make them worse in some ways cuz they make evil more effective. Again, there is some validity to this view. Because Germans and Japanese had many positive individual qualities in terms of trust, diligence, thoroughness, and work ethic, they were more effective in serving the Evil Cause.

    But invoking the struggle of light and darkness for every historical scenario just gets ridiculous. But especially Jewish elites have tended to see every new struggle in terms of good guys vs new Nazis. So, even the homo issue turned into ‘you must be hateful nazi if you don’t support homo marriage’. So, even immigration issue is, ‘you must be hateful nazi if you don’t accept Muslim refugees or endless immigrants.’.

    Also, the supposed Good could very well turn out to be the bad. Radicals could become blindsided by its own conceit of good. And of course, this was true of both Nazi Germany and military Japan. And communists. Nazis were so sure they were on the side of good against the evil Jews, Japanese were so sure they were on the side of good yellows against bad whites, and commies were so sure they were on the right(or left) side of history that all three groups failed to see their means to achieve their ends were turning them into monsters.

    At any rate, the current Prog Glob is so decadent, degenerate, excessive, hysterical, and delusional that it fails to notice how evil and crazy it has become.
    Its conceit of Good is just that: conceit.

    Blacks are like this too. They are so wrapped up in slavery and ‘racism’ narrative that EVERYTHING is seen in terms of black victims vs KKK. Black moral narcissism has turned into moral supremacism that has turned into vanity and self-righteous vileness, like that of Jeremiah Wright. Blacks now sing ugly murderous rap songs but even see those as ‘positive message’. They kill eachother but cops are to be blamed for all their problems.

    And ironically, Jewish globalist anti-Russian rhetoric is reminiscent of Nazi hatred of Slavs, but morally vain Jews only see Putin as ‘new hitler’.

    PC says collective good trumps all. So, if you’re on the Good side, your moral failings don’t matter. You are Good cuz your side is good and your cause is good.
    So, never mind all the individual moral failings of the progs and globs. Their personal and individual sins are redeemed by the Collective Good, the narrative.
    It’s like Soviet workers could slack off, steal, and mess up… but they were part of the Proletariat, thus justified.
    It’s like Emma Sulkowicz could lie, cheat, and BS with her false accusation. But hey, she’s on the collective good side of ‘feminism’ and ‘rape culture’ awareness.

    This kind of mentality exists on the right too, of course. The War on the Terror, the ‘new cold war’ that supposedly justified and excused all the BS of so many individuals that led to the war and destruction of Iraq that was innocent at least of accusations made by US government.
    And Iran-Contra Affair got out of hand too cuz the Ends were supposedly good.

    The idea of collective good can be valid if indeed the cause is good. Even so, no matter how good it may be, any cause has to be served by people with individual integrity and seriousness.
    But too often, people figure their personal ethics can slack off cuz they are on the side of good.

    But I suppose there are opportunists who just latch onto some Good Cause to rise up in the world. And they break all sorts of ethical rules not so much to serve the Cause but to serve their own ambition. The Glass guy of New Republic seems to have been mostly fired by ambition.

    • Replies: @Miro23
    I agree that these "....isms" attract a lot of bad guys and opportunists apart from the dutiful, efficient apparatchiks.

    You could have also said that they're fundamentally anti-democratic. Somehow, democracy always gets in the way of the Good Cause.
  164. Steve, some typofixing for your consideration:

    The Corsican Orge => The Corsican Ogre

    Napoleon is at Fountainbleau => Napoleon is at Fontainebleau

  165. @Anon
    Looks like Hillary got too close to the sun and got burned.

    Maybe she had ideals when younger and even when she entered white house with hubby in 92.

    But over the yrs, she saw and noticed that in post-ideological end-of-history age, it's not what you think but whom you know. It's about naked power and connections and privilege. And indeed, Billy Boy Clinton built up new Democratic Party into Uniparty by dumping the Labor losers(later to be called deplorables or undesirables I guess) and sucking up to Wall Street. Also, a new vast wealth class was coming into being with dot.com industry, and Democrats won it over. And there is power of AIPAC.
    So, Hillary coddled up to it... but so many of these big sharks dumped her for Obama in 2008. What went wrong? Wasn't she whore enough to them?
    So, for 2016, she decided to take no chances. She would be total total total whore to the Power. And boy, the Power loved her and showered her with money and media and ads..
    But she got too close to the sun, and in the eyes of enough voters, her credibility got burned out of existence. Her only themes were Power, It's my turn cuz I'm a woman, and Trump is a bad guy because... he insulted a latino fatty.

    In a way, Bill Boy made her and destroyed her. Thanks to Billy Boy's realignment in 90s, Democrats reached new heights of power by making a pact with the 'devil' of Big Money and globalist free trade oligarchy. Money poured in from the super-rich. And that gave huge boost to Hillary.
    But too much of this ruined her credibility in the eyes of enough voters.

    You do not believe that slick Willy is not happy about the debacle, do you?

    • Replies: @Anon
    Willy's genius is making something good out of something bad.

    He turns piss into wine.

    So, nothing is bad for him. He is the ultimate survivor and adapter.
  166. @Talha
    Hey mtncur,

    Indeed - I don't like this two party system either, but it's been in place so long that one wonders what it'll take to get things really shaken up significantly. Now, from what I can see from Trump, I've heard some really good things and bad things coming out of his mouth. He has also been linked to some good people and some horrible people. I guess we'll have to wait to see if he can deliver on at least a significant amount of his more important proposals. I'm glad the people in the echelons of power were scared - that was a good sign to me.

    Peace.

    I was about to say be careful what you wish for in response to your saying you don’t like the two party system but maybe you are right for the US becauseof some particular features of America.

    Ordinarily I would say that multi party polities, where it is usually an elected chamber which lets new minor parties in through election by proportional representation, would be better off if they could persuade people to join the major parties and work in and through them. Certainly proportional representation is a disaster in practice despite being loved by earnest nerds. But maybe America is just too big and big money too important in its politics for it to be a good bet to join a major party and work your way up if you want to be a major force for change. Of course if you are very rich you can calculate whether the Perot or Trump choice is best. After the event we know the answer perhaps.

    Perhaps the Ralph Nader example makes sense if you want to influence the country and prompt change.

  167. @Anon
    Sheeeeeeiiiiiiit.

    But idealists often feel justified in breaking all the rules because of their ideals.

    They are on the right side, so anything they do is justified by that sense of rightness.

    Ideal isn't same as principle. Principle is about ethics of everyday activity. It's about having integrity. Ideals have the Long View, so anything perceived to serve that Vision is thought to be justified.

    This is why PC is so dangerous.
    It has no use for individual integrity and principle since it's all about collective goodness.

    It says there is the collective good and collective bad.

    It is the collectivity that matters, not individuality.

    So, if someone is for the collective bad but acts with integrity on the individual level, he is far worse than someone who is for the collective good but acts with lack of scruples(ostensibly to serve the Good).

    Now, there is SOME validity to this view.

    If one served an evil regime with honesty, diligence, responsibility, and sobriety(all positive individual qualities), he could be lauded for his personal qualities. But what if the goal of the regime was to invade Poland or starve millions of Ukrainians?

    In contrast, suppose someone was lacking in individual scruples but was part of a collective good, especially in defeating the collective evil. As having taken part in the noble movement, isn't he justified even if lacking in character?

    But, the problem with this view is that not everything is about Good vs Evil. It's not like WWII over and over and over. It's like not every war can be sold as the new 'Good War' against 'new Hitler'.

    But PC has created this moral dichotomy between The Good and The Evil.
    PC figures there may be unethical people on the Good, but they are for the Good.
    There may be men of honor and personal integrity on the Evil, but they are for the Evil. In some ways, their good qualities make them worse in some ways cuz they make evil more effective. Again, there is some validity to this view. Because Germans and Japanese had many positive individual qualities in terms of trust, diligence, thoroughness, and work ethic, they were more effective in serving the Evil Cause.

    But invoking the struggle of light and darkness for every historical scenario just gets ridiculous. But especially Jewish elites have tended to see every new struggle in terms of good guys vs new Nazis. So, even the homo issue turned into 'you must be hateful nazi if you don't support homo marriage'. So, even immigration issue is, 'you must be hateful nazi if you don't accept Muslim refugees or endless immigrants.'.

    Also, the supposed Good could very well turn out to be the bad. Radicals could become blindsided by its own conceit of good. And of course, this was true of both Nazi Germany and military Japan. And communists. Nazis were so sure they were on the side of good against the evil Jews, Japanese were so sure they were on the side of good yellows against bad whites, and commies were so sure they were on the right(or left) side of history that all three groups failed to see their means to achieve their ends were turning them into monsters.

    At any rate, the current Prog Glob is so decadent, degenerate, excessive, hysterical, and delusional that it fails to notice how evil and crazy it has become.
    Its conceit of Good is just that: conceit.

    Blacks are like this too. They are so wrapped up in slavery and 'racism' narrative that EVERYTHING is seen in terms of black victims vs KKK. Black moral narcissism has turned into moral supremacism that has turned into vanity and self-righteous vileness, like that of Jeremiah Wright. Blacks now sing ugly murderous rap songs but even see those as 'positive message'. They kill eachother but cops are to be blamed for all their problems.

    And ironically, Jewish globalist anti-Russian rhetoric is reminiscent of Nazi hatred of Slavs, but morally vain Jews only see Putin as 'new hitler'.

    PC says collective good trumps all. So, if you're on the Good side, your moral failings don't matter. You are Good cuz your side is good and your cause is good.
    So, never mind all the individual moral failings of the progs and globs. Their personal and individual sins are redeemed by the Collective Good, the narrative.
    It's like Soviet workers could slack off, steal, and mess up... but they were part of the Proletariat, thus justified.
    It's like Emma Sulkowicz could lie, cheat, and BS with her false accusation. But hey, she's on the collective good side of 'feminism' and 'rape culture' awareness.

    This kind of mentality exists on the right too, of course. The War on the Terror, the 'new cold war' that supposedly justified and excused all the BS of so many individuals that led to the war and destruction of Iraq that was innocent at least of accusations made by US government.
    And Iran-Contra Affair got out of hand too cuz the Ends were supposedly good.

    The idea of collective good can be valid if indeed the cause is good. Even so, no matter how good it may be, any cause has to be served by people with individual integrity and seriousness.
    But too often, people figure their personal ethics can slack off cuz they are on the side of good.

    But I suppose there are opportunists who just latch onto some Good Cause to rise up in the world. And they break all sorts of ethical rules not so much to serve the Cause but to serve their own ambition. The Glass guy of New Republic seems to have been mostly fired by ambition.

    I agree that these “….isms” attract a lot of bad guys and opportunists apart from the dutiful, efficient apparatchiks.

    You could have also said that they’re fundamentally anti-democratic. Somehow, democracy always gets in the way of the Good Cause.

  168. @Bill jones
    You do not believe that slick Willy is not happy about the debacle, do you?

    Willy’s genius is making something good out of something bad.

    He turns piss into wine.

    So, nothing is bad for him. He is the ultimate survivor and adapter.

Comments are closed.

Subscribe to All Steve Sailer Comments via RSS
PastClassics
The unspoken statistical reality of urban crime over the last quarter century.
Which superpower is more threatened by its “extractive elites”?
How a Young Syndicate Lawyer from Chicago Earned a Fortune Looting the Property of the Japanese-Americans, then Lived...
Becker update V1.3.2