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Mean tweets from foreign countries reflecting schadenfreude over America’s current difficulties have been redefined as “foreign interference” with “American democracy.” From Politico:

Foreign foes taking advantage of divide over race, national security adviser says
China is among the nations mentioned by Robert O’Brien.

Robert O’Brien
National security adviser Robert O’Brien. | Aijaz Rahi/AP Photo

By RISHIKA DUGYALA

05/31/2020 12:02 PM EDT

National security adviser Robert O’Brien on Sunday said foreign powers were trying to exploit the fraught state of U.S. race relations and protests over George Floyd’s death.

On Saturday night, Republican Sen. Marco Rubio — the acting chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee — tweeted that he was seeing “very heavy” social media activity on nationwide demonstrations and counter reactions linked to at least three foreign adversaries. “They didn’t create these divisions. But they are actively stoking & promoting violence & confrontation from multiple angles,” he wrote.

On ABC’s “This Week,” O’Brien said that was “spot on.” He said he saw tweets from the Chinese taking pleasure and solace in the chaos in America. He also mentioned Zimbabwe and Iran.

Asked whether Russia — which tried to stoke racial unrest and other divisions during the 2016 election — is also involved now, O’Brien said there may be Russian activists playing a role. But he said that’s different from China, where “it’s coming straight from the government.”

Here’s the transcript from ABC:

STEPHANOPOULOS: And no — no question, it should be condemned, right? I completely agree with that. But you said you hadn’t heard about any other incitement from the right. But the DHS warning that went out this week noted specifically that the white supremacist, extremist Telegram channel was inciting the violence as well. They are saying it is both sides that are inciting violence from the outside.

O’BRIEN: Yes, I think the actual perpetrators of the violence, the ones that are on the street, that are burning down minority-owned businesses and restaurants, who have already suffered through this terrible COVID situation and — and are at risk of losing their business and now they’re seeing them burn to the ground, those are ANTIFA radical militants. And we’ve seen them before in other protests and we need to get to the bottom of it.

Look, I condemn all extremists, on the right or on the left. But — but the ones who are out on the streets throwing the Molotov cocktails and attacking our police, who are acting with — you know, for the most part, with restraint, and heroically, you know, that has to stop. …

STEPHANOPOULOS: What evidence do we have that foreign adversaries are also trying to exploit the situation? I want to put up a tweet that Senator Marco Rubio put out last night. He’s the acting chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee. And he said, tonight we’re seeing very heavy social media activity on protests and counter-reactions from social media accounts linked to at least three foreign adversaries. They didn’t create these divisions, but they are actively stoking and promoting violence and confrontation from multiple angles.

Who are these foreign adversaries?

O’BRIEN: Well, Senator Rubio is spot on. And I’ve seen a number of tweets from the Chinese today that are — are taking some sort of pleasure and solace in — in what they’re seeing here.

And I want to tell our foreign adversaries, whether it’s a — you know, Zimbabwe or a China, that the difference between us and you is that that — that officer who killed George Floyd, he’ll be — he’ll be investigated and he’ll be prosecuted and he’s going to receive a fair trial. The American people that want to go out and protest peacefully, they’re going to be allowed to seek redress from their government. They’re not going to be thrown in jail for peaceful protesting.

There’s a difference between us and you. … But there’s a big difference between us and our foreign adversaries. But you can — Marco Rubio is 100 percent correct that our foreign adversaries are going to take advantage of this crisis to sew discord and to try and damage our democracy. We’re not going to let that happen.

STEPHANOPOULOS: We — you mentioned China. We also know that Russia has been actively trying in the past to spark racial unrest. Are they one of the adversaries who are now exploiting the situation as well?

O’BRIEN: Yes, there — there — there may be Russian activists who are doing that, but the difference that I’ve seen so far is that, for example, we saw a Chinese foreign — foreign ministry spokesman trolling the State Department about this. So it’s — it’s open. It’s coming straight from the government. So it’s something we’re keeping an eye on.

But, listen, to our adversaries, the American people, we may have our political differences, and we’ve gone through these crises before, but we’ll overcome it. …

STEPHANOPOULOS: What are we doing right now to counter those adversaries as they try to foment more unrest here in the United States, China, Russia, you mentioned Zimbabwe.

O’BRIEN: Yes, look, Iran is — has certainly been active in this — you know, in this — in this realm as well. And we’ve got a number of tools in our tool kit, George, but we’re — we’re working very closely with our allies. I’ve been on the phone with our — my colleagues, national security advisors, over the weekend. We’ll be meeting with them in the coming days. The democracies will stick together.

We’ve got a series of measures that we’re going to deal with China and the way that they’ve choked out freedom in — in Hong Kong. The president made a very important announcement on that front on Friday and — and the — the U.S. government is looking at all of our relations with Hong Kong and China.

So there will be a response and it will be proportional, but this is not something that — that our adversaries are going to get away with for free.

Okay, so reading the transcript, it’s not clear if O’Brien is specifying Zimbabwe as somebody who is interfering with American Democracy by trolling us with mean tweets, although Stephanopoulos seems to assume he is talking about Zimbabwe. My guess is that O’Brien just pulled the name of Zimbabwe out as a general example of a “foreign adversary” of America. Maybe he was thinking of doing an A to Z thing but couldn’t think of a foreign adversary that comes in the alphabet before Belarus.

And my guess is that the “proportional response” stuff at the end is not about how America will respond to mean tweets, it’s about Hong Kong. That reminds me that it’s helpful to have an articulate national security advisor. Henry Kissinger had his pros and cons, but he spoke very slowly in complete sentences and even paragraphs and he seldom left his listeners confused about whether he was threatening China or Zimbabwe.

Zimbabwe’s Minister of Information replied:

Update: A commenter points out that the Zimbabwean president’s spokesman has indeed been sending out tweets mocking the U.S. From ZimLive.com:

The United States has imposed sanctions on Zimbabwe since 2001, stating that the country posed an “unusual and extraordinary threat to the foreign policy of the United States.”

The United States embassy in Harare has recently ratcheted up the rhetoric, demanding that Zimbabwe investigates the recent abduction of Harare West MP Joana Mamombe and MDC youth assembly activists Cecilia Chimbiri and Netsai Marova, and prosecutes those responsible.

Charamba, in one of his tweets, said: “I think the Zimbabwean government should summon the U.S. Ambassador to explain the goings-on in the U.S.! This is an unusual, continuing and extraordinary grave threat to Zimbabwe’s strategic interest globally! And of course a grave threat to international peace requiring invocation of the United Nations Chapter 7.

“Clearly, the Administration is unable to protect U.S. citizens, in which case responsibility to protect stricture must kick in. The SADC standby brigade is supremely ready to deploy all maximum means and capabilities needed to put out this raging fire.” …

Charamba, defiantly, tweeted in response to the U.S. warning: “If having an outraged conscience over cold-blooded murder of a blackman in America by an agent of the American government makes Zimbabwe an enemy; if criticising racism and human rights abuse in the same makes the critique an enemy of U.S., then by the same token, U.S. made itself an enemy of Zimbabwe from as far back as 2000.

“Amazing how a polity so wont to poking into internal affairs of small countries, and sponsoring opposition in small nations’ body politic is so squeamish about retweets from its own press and that of its European allies press. Crazy!”

This notion pushed by the Legacy Media during the derisible RussiaGate fiasco that Social Media is so overwhelmingly powerful that its use by foreigners automatically undermines American Democracy needs to be laughed out of the building.

 
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  1. white “men” must be held accountable for their actions

    These peaceful demonstrations have been infiltrated y white men who tehn proceed to start looting and shooting.

    white men are the cancer of the world and are now engaged in destroying america.

    They need to act more like People of Color and be peaceful

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Tiny Duck


    white men are the cancer of the world
     
    You might have a point there.
    , @128
    @Tiny Duck

    We need the likes of Pinochet, Franco, and Galtieri to deal with the likes of you.

  2. Anonymous[739] • Disclaimer says:

    • Replies: @anon
    @Anonymous

    https://twitter.com/RyanGirdusky/status/1267319615421583362

  3. TAKE A BREAK, YOU ARE COMMENTING MORE THAN THREE TIMES AN HOUR.

    • Troll: Anonymous (n)
  4. This is surely the tipping point for the future US-Zimbabwe war.

  5. Anon[323] • Disclaimer says:

    Maybe I am missing something, but this has been an unmitigated disaster for Democrats. Probably the biggest blunder in the last one-hundred years, and serves as the high water mark for Black influence. After this, Blacks are gone, electorally-speaking. Look at Biden, Obama and Hillary. Totally silent. They have no idea what to do.

    Are Jewish Shills and RINO Republicans like Marco Rubio idiots? Of course. But it seems like their idiocy emboldens Democrat idiocy even more, which at this point is oddly a winning strategy.

    Don’t overtly blame blacks for riots. Rather, simply let Blue State blue cities burn to the ground by some miraculous unknown cause. Everyone can put 2+2 together, including 50%+ percentile non-Black minorities. The under 40 crowd will see internet video. The over 50 crowd will care about property damage, and realize it is Blacks.

    • Replies: @Corn Pop
    @Anon

    With a social media photo like this, Biden is a lock.

    https://i.imgur.com/bZQpZkf.jpg

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Anon

    These Rinos are, indeed, idiots. Giving the slightest credence to the "foreign medling" narrative from our side is so self-sabotaging it makes one wonder if they are really Resistance saboteurs.

    Replies: @Hugo Silva

    , @AnotherDad
    @Anon


    Are Jewish Shills and RINO Republicans like Marco Rubio idiots? Of course. But it seems like their idiocy emboldens Democrat idiocy even more, which at this point is oddly a winning strategy.
     
    Marco Rubio really is a pathetic idiot. It's just embarassing.

    Sure foreigners are enjoying the spectacle of US dysfunction. Big deal.

    But they aren't causing US dysfunction. This is 25% just blacks. But mostly the 50+ years of Jewish minoritarianism, amped up lately by the Democrats "whitey is trying to kill you!". Plus the whole Jewish-progressive funded Antifa** street terror/theatre.

    (** "Fascist" this day and age just means disagreeing with the Jewish establishments' "what's good for the Jews" nation breaking program. Anything that suggests that white gentiles are entitled to their nations or is in favor of their traditions is "fascist"--nations, national pride, national heroes/narrative, traditional sex roles, traditional families, heterosexuality, Christianity ... fascist, fascist, fascist.)

    Anyway this dysfunction is completely homegrown. Any Republican--like Rubio-- spouting off about foreigners is blurring reality and thus playing into the Democrats' hand.

    The Republicans here win by repeating the simple truth:
    -- "Democrat riots"
    -- "Democrats stoking black anger and violence with lies and not letting the legal system do its work."
    -- "Democrats unleashing their street terrorist arm--Antifa."
    -- "Democrat riots"

    Replies: @anonymous

  6. Don’t laugh. Zimbabwe has tons of cash to throw around.

    • LOL: Pater
    • Replies: @Lagertha
    @Reg Cæsar

    hahhhahhahahaaaa!, Reg! Africans and many blacks will never go for gay marriage - a true taboo for them.

    On, the otherhand, in Zimbabwe, they are still taking farms and kidnapping and ransoming the farmer's kids.

    , @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder
    @Reg Cæsar

    Hey! That and five bucks american'll get me a cup of coffee!

    At least, it would if they hadn't burned down the coffee shop.

  7. This story is by a Rishika Dugyala. The NYT story in Mr. Sailer’s other post is by a Shaila Dewan.

    Is it me, or is there, nowadays, a large number of young Asian immigrant women (South Asian and others) who write these stories for mainstream journals? Is that what their families deem they should study, if they don’t show aptitude for stem subjects or law school?

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    @PiltdownMan

    they want to be "famous." Their parent's wildest dreams was to see their progeny on TV or a major media journal. It's all about money...fame is the icing on the cake. People only care about money.

    , @Anonymous
    @PiltdownMan

    Affirmative action.

    The NYT is showing is cooties, if not goolies, by giving these plum entry positions - perhaps the Weinstein connotation has a relevancy here - to pokemon points topping candidates. One must remember for these prized sinecures there are literally *thousands* of applicants.
    So the most cootified wins.

  8. @Tiny Duck
    white "men" must be held accountable for their actions

    These peaceful demonstrations have been infiltrated y white men who tehn proceed to start looting and shooting.

    white men are the cancer of the world and are now engaged in destroying america.

    They need to act more like People of Color and be peaceful

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @128

    white men are the cancer of the world

    You might have a point there.

  9. Anyway, the prophet says we should pray for Nick Mangwana.

  10. Russian military shows up in Kiev tomorrow:
    “Hey, remember us? Hahahaha…”

    Chinese PLA shows up in Taipei tomorrow:
    “Who are we?? Um, hello, that’s no way to greet your new owners.”

    RIP American Empire

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    @Anon

    It may not happen that fast, nor at all. But, now I know you are anti-America! So tired of assholes like you. Take your evil heart somewhere far from me. You don't deserve to be here. You revel for destruction and death.

  11. @Reg Cæsar
    Don't laugh. Zimbabwe has tons of cash to throw around.


    https://image.invaluable.com/housePhotos/mrozcek/56/648056/H21499-L175123979.jpg

    Replies: @Lagertha, @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder

    hahhhahhahahaaaa!, Reg! Africans and many blacks will never go for gay marriage – a true taboo for them.

    On, the otherhand, in Zimbabwe, they are still taking farms and kidnapping and ransoming the farmer’s kids.

  12. @PiltdownMan
    This story is by a Rishika Dugyala. The NYT story in Mr. Sailer's other post is by a Shaila Dewan.

    Is it me, or is there, nowadays, a large number of young Asian immigrant women (South Asian and others) who write these stories for mainstream journals? Is that what their families deem they should study, if they don't show aptitude for stem subjects or law school?

    Replies: @Lagertha, @Anonymous

    they want to be “famous.” Their parent’s wildest dreams was to see their progeny on TV or a major media journal. It’s all about money…fame is the icing on the cake. People only care about money.

  13. @Anon
    Russian military shows up in Kiev tomorrow:
    “Hey, remember us? Hahahaha...”

    Chinese PLA shows up in Taipei tomorrow:
    “Who are we?? Um, hello, that’s no way to greet your new owners.”

    RIP American Empire

    Replies: @Lagertha

    It may not happen that fast, nor at all. But, now I know you are anti-America! So tired of assholes like you. Take your evil heart somewhere far from me. You don’t deserve to be here. You revel for destruction and death.

  14. @Reg Cæsar
    Don't laugh. Zimbabwe has tons of cash to throw around.


    https://image.invaluable.com/housePhotos/mrozcek/56/648056/H21499-L175123979.jpg

    Replies: @Lagertha, @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder

    Hey! That and five bucks american’ll get me a cup of coffee!

    At least, it would if they hadn’t burned down the coffee shop.

  15. Of course many countries have suffered at the hands of US destabilisation attempts and are unsurprisingly engaging in schadenfreude, the real question is why George Soros is allowed to so brazenly engage in destabilisation activities in the US, it isn’t exactly hidden? In many ways the Soviet Union was holding the radical left back, Jewish oligarchs have more money to throw at than the Soviets anyway, and since the nineties it has been one victory after another.

    • Agree: Hugo Silva
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @LondonBob

    Just like the real role of the SPLC is to serve as an extra-constitutional, extra-organizational branch of the FBI, enabling ideological prosecutions, which would be legally impossible if done in a straightforward manner, so too Soros is an unofficial department of the Deep State enabling the sort of property destruction they cannot directly call for.

  16. The mighty USSA with its trillion-dollar annual military budget is crumbling before a devastating bombardment of “mean tweets” by foreigners.

    Actually, some of these scenes remind me of the crumbling of the Berlin Wall and the sudden collapse of the Soviet Bloc back in 1989…

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Ron Unz


    PSA For ANYONE who might be interested in how to pull down an obelisk* safely from an Egyptologist who never ever in a million years thought this advice might come in handy

    *might be masquerading as a racist monument I dunno

     


    WATCH THAT SUMBITCH TOPPLE GET THE %^&* OUT OF THE WAY IT WILL SMASH RUN AWAY FROM DIRECTION.

    Then celebrate. Because #BlackLivesMatter and good riddance to any obelisks pretending to be ancient Egyptian obelisks when they are in fact celebrating racism and white nationalism
     
    https://archive.vn/5dVKh



    https://besantphotography.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/dc-2013_009.jpg

    Replies: @syonredux, @Allen, @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Dieter Kief
    @Ron Unz


    Actually, some of these scenes remind me of the crumbling of the Berlin Wall and the sudden collapse of the Soviet Bloc back in 1989…
     
    Iconography is tricky and irony is tricky too. I think you use the wrong analogy here. - It sure sounds dramatic the way you put it, but your Berlin Wall analogy leads the reader too far away at the same time.

    I agree though up to a point in that I find it puzzling how Barack Obama's former National Security Advisor Susan Rice somehow seems to be caught in this kind of far-fetched correspondences (Walter Benjamin) and therefore concludes, that all that's happening would be "Right out of the Russian playbook".

    Replies: @Altai, @Altai

    , @silviosilver
    @Ron Unz

    Imagine being Xi Jinping right now. If he can stop laughing himself silly for just a moment, I'm sure he'd realize China will scarcely have to lift a finger to defeat the once mighty, now diverse United States. Just sit back and wait it out.

    Replies: @Goddard, @Pericles

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @Ron Unz

    Why do you think Trump and local authorities are allowing these riots? What's their motive? Incompetence?

    It seems like Anti-Fa is remarkably well-organized. They're being flown city to city, causing anarchy with minimal reprecussions. For whatever reason, the police are hardly doing anything to contain them.

    According to local Blacks in various places, it's Anti-Fa (not Blacks) who are starting the riots and doing most of the severe damage (like burning down the police station in Minneapolis). Though most of the looting seems to be done by Blacks after Anti-Fa starts the riots.

    A stunningly high fraction of the protesters in these major cities are White. Even in Detroit.

    https://twitter.com/nwarikoo/status/1266981745079058435



    Even more strangely, it seems like Anti-Fa are being provided with materials to start chaos.

    https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1267322154833580032

    According a writer on your site, a Brookyln Synagogue is hosting an Anti-Fa fundraiser.

    https://www.unz.com/estriker/brooklyn-synagogue-to-host-antifa-rock-concert-and-fundraiser/

    It seems like much of this chaos is being scripted by powerful people working from behind the scenes. What are your thoughts on this?

    Replies: @Jus' Sayin'..., @Gordo

    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    @Ron Unz

    They remind me more of left-wing-initiated violence in post-WW-I Germany except the USA has as of yet no homegrown equivalent to the Freikorps for dealing with our wannabe revolutionaries. The way things are tending that might be the next ingredient in the recipe for disaster, which our current ruling classes have concocted.

  17. Anonymous[437] • Disclaimer says:

    Might be referring to the recent tweets by the spokesman for Zimbabwe’s president. Also, for some reason Zimbabwe is regarded as an “unusual and extraordinary threat to the foreign policy of the United States” and has been under US sanctions since 2001. So maybe those tweets are a bigger deal to foreign policy insiders in the Beltway.

    https://www.zimlive.com/2020/06/01/us-warns-zimbabwe-it-wont-get-away-with-floyd-killing-pleasure/

    George Charamba, the spokesman for President Emmerson Mnangagwa, put out more than 60 tweets since May 26, most of them an exercise in whataboutism, seeking to justify Zimbabwe’s terrible human rights record including police brutality, abductions of political rivals and attacks on journalists, based on Floyd’s killing and the fallout.

    The United States has imposed sanctions on Zimbabwe since 2001, stating that the country posed an “unusual and extraordinary threat to the foreign policy of the United States.”

    The United States embassy in Harare has recently ratcheted up the rhetoric, demanding that Zimbabwe investigates the recent abduction of Harare West MP Joana Mamombe and MDC youth assembly activists Cecilia Chimbiri and Netsai Marova, and prosecutes those responsible.

    Charamba, in one of his tweets, said: “I think the Zimbabwean government should summon the U.S. Ambassador to explain the goings-on in the U.S.! This is an unusual, continuing and extraordinary grave threat to Zimbabwe’s strategic interest globally! And of course a grave threat to international peace requiring invocation of the United Nations Chapter 7.

    “Clearly, the Administration is unable to protect U.S. citizens, in which case responsibility to protect stricture must kick in. The SADC standby brigade is supremely ready to deploy all maximum means and capabilities needed to put out this raging fire.”

    O’Brien told ABC: “Our foreign adversaries are going to try to sow discord, and we’re not going to let that happen… we’ve got a number of tools in our toolkits, working very close with our allies. There will be a response and it will be proportional. This is not something that our adversaries are going to get away with for free.”

    Zimbabwe government spokesman Nick Mangwana, reacting to O’Brien’s comments, said on Sunday night: “Zimbabwe does not consider itself America’s adversary. We prefer having friends and allies to having unhelpful adversity with any other nation, including the USA.”

    Charamba, defiantly, tweeted in response to the U.S. warning: “If having an outraged conscience over cold-blooded murder of a blackman in America by an agent of the American government makes Zimbabwe an enemy; if criticising racism and human rights abuse in the same makes the critique an enemy of U.S., then by the same token, U.S. made itself an enemy of Zimbabwe from as far back as 2000.

    “Amazing how a polity so wont to poking into internal affairs of small countries, and sponsoring opposition in small nations’ body politic is so squeamish about retweets from its own press and that of its European allies press. Crazy!”

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    Thanks.

  18. On Saturday night, Republican Sen. Marco Rubio — the acting chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee

    Marco Rubio and intelligence in the same sentence, oh brother.

  19. @Anon
    Maybe I am missing something, but this has been an unmitigated disaster for Democrats. Probably the biggest blunder in the last one-hundred years, and serves as the high water mark for Black influence. After this, Blacks are gone, electorally-speaking. Look at Biden, Obama and Hillary. Totally silent. They have no idea what to do.

    Are Jewish Shills and RINO Republicans like Marco Rubio idiots? Of course. But it seems like their idiocy emboldens Democrat idiocy even more, which at this point is oddly a winning strategy.

    Don't overtly blame blacks for riots. Rather, simply let Blue State blue cities burn to the ground by some miraculous unknown cause. Everyone can put 2+2 together, including 50%+ percentile non-Black minorities. The under 40 crowd will see internet video. The over 50 crowd will care about property damage, and realize it is Blacks.

    Replies: @Corn Pop, @Hypnotoad666, @AnotherDad

    With a social media photo like this, Biden is a lock.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @Corn Pop

    Excuse me for repeating this thought, I can't resist: This is an an iconic moment - Joe Biden wearing a black mask and black glasses in late May 2020 - - -

    (If only Tom wolfe were still alive and well.... sigh!)

  20. @Ron Unz
    The mighty USSA with its trillion-dollar annual military budget is crumbling before a devastating bombardment of "mean tweets" by foreigners.

    Actually, some of these scenes remind me of the crumbling of the Berlin Wall and the sudden collapse of the Soviet Bloc back in 1989...

    Replies: @syonredux, @Dieter Kief, @silviosilver, @JohnnyWalker123, @Jus' Sayin'...

    PSA For ANYONE who might be interested in how to pull down an obelisk* safely from an Egyptologist who never ever in a million years thought this advice might come in handy

    *might be masquerading as a racist monument I dunno

    WATCH THAT SUMBITCH TOPPLE GET THE %^&* OUT OF THE WAY IT WILL SMASH RUN AWAY FROM DIRECTION.

    Then celebrate. Because #BlackLivesMatter and good riddance to any obelisks pretending to be ancient Egyptian obelisks when they are in fact celebrating racism and white nationalism

    https://archive.vn/5dVKh

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @syonredux


    Here’s a rough schematic. I note this is experimental archaeology in action! Just my professional Hot Take and you may need more people, longer rope, etc. everything depends on monument size.

     

    https://twitter.com/indyfromspace/status/1267273933746774022
    , @Allen
    @syonredux

    She's referring to the Confederate monument in Birmingham, AL which rioters tried unsuccessfully to pull down tonight. Still inciting to riot but not talking about the Washington monument

    Replies: @syonredux, @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @syonredux

    Don't tell these morons that there's a Jefferson Davis Memorial obelisk that sits just on the Todd County side (east side) of the line between Todd and Christian* counties in western Kentucky. It is 351 ft tall, compared to the Washington Monument's 555 ft. I've been to the top of it long ago.

    Good luck pulling it down with a coupla' pieces of rope or cable, morons. The kind of people who write these tweets don't have the imagination even, much less the skill set, to topple something like this. There's no app for that.

    .

    * OMG, and Christian county at that! Hopkinsville is the county seat, if that helps anyone with his geography.

  21. @syonredux
    @Ron Unz


    PSA For ANYONE who might be interested in how to pull down an obelisk* safely from an Egyptologist who never ever in a million years thought this advice might come in handy

    *might be masquerading as a racist monument I dunno

     


    WATCH THAT SUMBITCH TOPPLE GET THE %^&* OUT OF THE WAY IT WILL SMASH RUN AWAY FROM DIRECTION.

    Then celebrate. Because #BlackLivesMatter and good riddance to any obelisks pretending to be ancient Egyptian obelisks when they are in fact celebrating racism and white nationalism
     
    https://archive.vn/5dVKh



    https://besantphotography.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/dc-2013_009.jpg

    Replies: @syonredux, @Allen, @Achmed E. Newman

    Here’s a rough schematic. I note this is experimental archaeology in action! Just my professional Hot Take and you may need more people, longer rope, etc. everything depends on monument size.

  22. How does it feel to lose this badly?

    EVERYONE supports the protests

    Any violence is blamed on white supremacists

    Bail is being paid

    No one is being arrested except those that defend their property

    Trump is hiding like a coward

    confederate monuments are being destroyed

    white privilege is being talked about

    white “men” are getting their butts handed to them by Black Men

    ITS OVER FOR YOU LOSERS

  23. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/indyfromspace/status/1267271817439346689

    Replies: @anon

  24. No one is using real weapons. Rubber bullets, planks of wood…

    I bet you that if people started to use real weapons, these riots would be over, that goes for the cops and the rioters. It’s similar to how nuclear weapons bring peace because each side is too afraid of the consequences.

  25. @Anon
    Maybe I am missing something, but this has been an unmitigated disaster for Democrats. Probably the biggest blunder in the last one-hundred years, and serves as the high water mark for Black influence. After this, Blacks are gone, electorally-speaking. Look at Biden, Obama and Hillary. Totally silent. They have no idea what to do.

    Are Jewish Shills and RINO Republicans like Marco Rubio idiots? Of course. But it seems like their idiocy emboldens Democrat idiocy even more, which at this point is oddly a winning strategy.

    Don't overtly blame blacks for riots. Rather, simply let Blue State blue cities burn to the ground by some miraculous unknown cause. Everyone can put 2+2 together, including 50%+ percentile non-Black minorities. The under 40 crowd will see internet video. The over 50 crowd will care about property damage, and realize it is Blacks.

    Replies: @Corn Pop, @Hypnotoad666, @AnotherDad

    These Rinos are, indeed, idiots. Giving the slightest credence to the “foreign medling” narrative from our side is so self-sabotaging it makes one wonder if they are really Resistance saboteurs.

    • Replies: @Hugo Silva
    @Hypnotoad666

    They can't accept that there might be something wrong with the Shining City in a Hill so they have to blame outside agitators.

  26. @Corn Pop
    @Anon

    With a social media photo like this, Biden is a lock.

    https://i.imgur.com/bZQpZkf.jpg

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

    Excuse me for repeating this thought, I can’t resist: This is an an iconic moment – Joe Biden wearing a black mask and black glasses in late May 2020 – – –

    (If only Tom wolfe were still alive and well…. sigh!)

  27. @Anonymous
    Might be referring to the recent tweets by the spokesman for Zimbabwe's president. Also, for some reason Zimbabwe is regarded as an “unusual and extraordinary threat to the foreign policy of the United States" and has been under US sanctions since 2001. So maybe those tweets are a bigger deal to foreign policy insiders in the Beltway.

    https://www.zimlive.com/2020/06/01/us-warns-zimbabwe-it-wont-get-away-with-floyd-killing-pleasure/


    George Charamba, the spokesman for President Emmerson Mnangagwa, put out more than 60 tweets since May 26, most of them an exercise in whataboutism, seeking to justify Zimbabwe’s terrible human rights record including police brutality, abductions of political rivals and attacks on journalists, based on Floyd’s killing and the fallout.

    The United States has imposed sanctions on Zimbabwe since 2001, stating that the country posed an “unusual and extraordinary threat to the foreign policy of the United States.”

    The United States embassy in Harare has recently ratcheted up the rhetoric, demanding that Zimbabwe investigates the recent abduction of Harare West MP Joana Mamombe and MDC youth assembly activists Cecilia Chimbiri and Netsai Marova, and prosecutes those responsible.

    Charamba, in one of his tweets, said: “I think the Zimbabwean government should summon the U.S. Ambassador to explain the goings-on in the U.S.! This is an unusual, continuing and extraordinary grave threat to Zimbabwe’s strategic interest globally! And of course a grave threat to international peace requiring invocation of the United Nations Chapter 7.

    “Clearly, the Administration is unable to protect U.S. citizens, in which case responsibility to protect stricture must kick in. The SADC standby brigade is supremely ready to deploy all maximum means and capabilities needed to put out this raging fire.”

    O’Brien told ABC: “Our foreign adversaries are going to try to sow discord, and we’re not going to let that happen… we’ve got a number of tools in our toolkits, working very close with our allies. There will be a response and it will be proportional. This is not something that our adversaries are going to get away with for free.”

    Zimbabwe government spokesman Nick Mangwana, reacting to O’Brien’s comments, said on Sunday night: “Zimbabwe does not consider itself America’s adversary. We prefer having friends and allies to having unhelpful adversity with any other nation, including the USA.”

    Charamba, defiantly, tweeted in response to the U.S. warning: “If having an outraged conscience over cold-blooded murder of a blackman in America by an agent of the American government makes Zimbabwe an enemy; if criticising racism and human rights abuse in the same makes the critique an enemy of U.S., then by the same token, U.S. made itself an enemy of Zimbabwe from as far back as 2000.

    “Amazing how a polity so wont to poking into internal affairs of small countries, and sponsoring opposition in small nations’ body politic is so squeamish about retweets from its own press and that of its European allies press. Crazy!”
     

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Thanks.

  28. anon[218] • Disclaimer says:

    Long time coming. Gutless coward boomer conservatives with their heads fixed firmly in the sand. Their worthless moron politically correct Millennial kids. State promotion of racism and generations of conspiracy theories against whites. Years of mass media promoting violence, including these latest riots (CNN). Decades of stoking minority separation with holidays and resentment with divisive movies, television, books, and history degrees. Selfish libertarians and neoliberals who refused to fix socioeconomic disparities until it was too late (gotta sabotage the Bern, can’t have cheap healthcare). Greedy Wall Street ruling class. Stupid media filled with morons. A liberal governing philosophy based around dissolving common bonds. A materialist society of consumers who obey and sleep. Social media empowering mental defects and hate mobs. Demographic change. Mounting debts. Corrupt government. Inept politicians. Outsourcing middle-class jobs and replacing them with trash gig jobs … something was bound to happen eventually. Who didn’t see this coming?

  29. @syonredux
    @Ron Unz


    PSA For ANYONE who might be interested in how to pull down an obelisk* safely from an Egyptologist who never ever in a million years thought this advice might come in handy

    *might be masquerading as a racist monument I dunno

     


    WATCH THAT SUMBITCH TOPPLE GET THE %^&* OUT OF THE WAY IT WILL SMASH RUN AWAY FROM DIRECTION.

    Then celebrate. Because #BlackLivesMatter and good riddance to any obelisks pretending to be ancient Egyptian obelisks when they are in fact celebrating racism and white nationalism
     
    https://archive.vn/5dVKh



    https://besantphotography.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/dc-2013_009.jpg

    Replies: @syonredux, @Allen, @Achmed E. Newman

    She’s referring to the Confederate monument in Birmingham, AL which rioters tried unsuccessfully to pull down tonight. Still inciting to riot but not talking about the Washington monument

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Allen


    She’s referring to the Confederate monument in Birmingham, AL which rioters tried unsuccessfully to pull down tonight. Still inciting to riot but not talking about the Washington monument
     
    Ya gotta start small......
    , @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder
    @Allen

    Gotta admit though, that one in the nation's capital do look like a very tall klansman

  30. @Ron Unz
    The mighty USSA with its trillion-dollar annual military budget is crumbling before a devastating bombardment of "mean tweets" by foreigners.

    Actually, some of these scenes remind me of the crumbling of the Berlin Wall and the sudden collapse of the Soviet Bloc back in 1989...

    Replies: @syonredux, @Dieter Kief, @silviosilver, @JohnnyWalker123, @Jus' Sayin'...

    Actually, some of these scenes remind me of the crumbling of the Berlin Wall and the sudden collapse of the Soviet Bloc back in 1989…

    Iconography is tricky and irony is tricky too. I think you use the wrong analogy here. – It sure sounds dramatic the way you put it, but your Berlin Wall analogy leads the reader too far away at the same time.

    I agree though up to a point in that I find it puzzling how Barack Obama’s former National Security Advisor Susan Rice somehow seems to be caught in this kind of far-fetched correspondences (Walter Benjamin) and therefore concludes, that all that’s happening would be “Right out of the Russian playbook”.

    • Replies: @Altai
    @Dieter Kief

    Susan Rice isn't really an Obama-ite. She is a neocon which is the same as saying she is a habitual liar like all people in intelligence circles. She is just the neocon that Clinton and Obama picked or are they any other options left for those posts. Like having a representative of the Church.

    , @Altai
    @Dieter Kief

    Actually it reminds me of the Prague Spring. In previous times the Soviet forces would have ruthlessly killed protestors to put it down. In 1968 the Soviet soldiers couldn't bring themselves to shoot them. Plenty of Soviet armour was set on fire similar to the police cars. The scenes of chaos are where the police are scared to act.

    But the dynamic is different here, the Prague Spring was a national movement for autonomy and ethnic self-determination. Here was have a specific small minority (A central feature of the many riots from African Americans is that in other contexts this would be the beginning of an independence movement but African Americans don't have a homeland, they were brought to America) asserting collective solidarity. They are joined by other protestors who want to express outrage at the killing of George Floyd but otherwise have no real concrete agenda other than animus against Trump/whites. How long can protests without concrete objectives last? It doesn't seem to threaten revolution.

    The arsonists and serious rioters need a critical mass of people on the streets to get away with their violence, if that number drops below that, they won't be able or inclined to try it. The riots will fizzle out in at most 10 days but probably 8. That will leave only traditional protest marches and the antifa running around. Of course it looks like the other 3 cops will be acquitted and even Chauvin may be too, if and when that is announced there will be another night at least of serious rioting.

  31. @Ron Unz
    The mighty USSA with its trillion-dollar annual military budget is crumbling before a devastating bombardment of "mean tweets" by foreigners.

    Actually, some of these scenes remind me of the crumbling of the Berlin Wall and the sudden collapse of the Soviet Bloc back in 1989...

    Replies: @syonredux, @Dieter Kief, @silviosilver, @JohnnyWalker123, @Jus' Sayin'...

    Imagine being Xi Jinping right now. If he can stop laughing himself silly for just a moment, I’m sure he’d realize China will scarcely have to lift a finger to defeat the once mighty, now diverse United States. Just sit back and wait it out.

    • Replies: @Goddard
    @silviosilver

    Many Chinese I met during my 10 yrs in Shanghai used to ask me why Americans (by which they meant white Americans) were giving away their country to foreigners.

    , @Pericles
    @silviosilver

    Just imagine when Corona-chan 2 starts rolling around.

  32. @Allen
    @syonredux

    She's referring to the Confederate monument in Birmingham, AL which rioters tried unsuccessfully to pull down tonight. Still inciting to riot but not talking about the Washington monument

    Replies: @syonredux, @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder

    She’s referring to the Confederate monument in Birmingham, AL which rioters tried unsuccessfully to pull down tonight. Still inciting to riot but not talking about the Washington monument

    Ya gotta start small……

  33. But you can — Marco Rubio is 100 percent correct that our foreign adversaries are going to take advantage of this crisis to sew discord and to try and damage our democracy. We’re not going to let that happen.

    How are you going to stop it from happening when the only tool at your disposal is to demand whites cuck ever harder? Of course, that only deepens the discord, but since it’s the only thing you know, it’s the only thing you do.

    • Replies: @anon
    @silviosilver

    Remember that guy Trump killed back in January? Something like this happened in his country once and he sent a letter to the Ayatollah demanding the government crush the protests or he'd overthrow the government and do it himself. What a boss. Now that was a real leader. Totally unlike that buffoon Donald Trump.

  34. Scuse me, mr general man, honored graduate of the army war college, masstir of stratergery and all board games, and suchlike, I was but a toilet cleaner and installer of service packs in my own service record book, and everyone who had to carry me would say awful things if they could, and I am unworthy to bother such Mars-blessed ears as your own, but maybe, just maybe, maybe what we could do is we could %@#$&%@ DEAL WITH THE RIOTERS and then much later on we could figure out if they had international support. Maybe. I mean I was never Cosmic Top Secret so whatever.
    ———
    Hold the presses, Eidolon! Here’s a professor who literally against civilization itself!
    https://postimg.cc/GT4HvmHg

  35. @LondonBob
    Of course many countries have suffered at the hands of US destabilisation attempts and are unsurprisingly engaging in schadenfreude, the real question is why George Soros is allowed to so brazenly engage in destabilisation activities in the US, it isn't exactly hidden? In many ways the Soviet Union was holding the radical left back, Jewish oligarchs have more money to throw at than the Soviets anyway, and since the nineties it has been one victory after another.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Just like the real role of the SPLC is to serve as an extra-constitutional, extra-organizational branch of the FBI, enabling ideological prosecutions, which would be legally impossible if done in a straightforward manner, so too Soros is an unofficial department of the Deep State enabling the sort of property destruction they cannot directly call for.

    • Agree: utu
  36. This won’t shut the Russia nuts up, the drive who drove his truck into a protest in Minneapolis is Ukrainian. Looking at the video he stopped as soon as he could and was assaulted but somehow he’s under arrest.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    @t

    Of course, he’s under arrest. They couldn’t arrest the punks who were attacking him, could they?

  37. anon[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @silviosilver

    But you can — Marco Rubio is 100 percent correct that our foreign adversaries are going to take advantage of this crisis to sew discord and to try and damage our democracy. We’re not going to let that happen.
     
    How are you going to stop it from happening when the only tool at your disposal is to demand whites cuck ever harder? Of course, that only deepens the discord, but since it's the only thing you know, it's the only thing you do.

    Replies: @anon

    Remember that guy Trump killed back in January? Something like this happened in his country once and he sent a letter to the Ayatollah demanding the government crush the protests or he’d overthrow the government and do it himself. What a boss. Now that was a real leader. Totally unlike that buffoon Donald Trump.

  38. Anonymous[111] • Disclaimer says:

    On a slightly related note, the surname ‘Chauvin’ is pronounced ‘Show-Van’ and is ultimately from the French, ‘chauve’ meaning ‘bald’ cf ‘Calvin’.
    Apparently the surname was borne by one of Napoleon’s generals a man who hero worshipped Napoleon with unswerving loyalty and fanaticism, hence the term ‘chauvinism’ and ‘chauvinist’.

  39. Anonymous[111] • Disclaimer says:
    @PiltdownMan
    This story is by a Rishika Dugyala. The NYT story in Mr. Sailer's other post is by a Shaila Dewan.

    Is it me, or is there, nowadays, a large number of young Asian immigrant women (South Asian and others) who write these stories for mainstream journals? Is that what their families deem they should study, if they don't show aptitude for stem subjects or law school?

    Replies: @Lagertha, @Anonymous

    Affirmative action.

    The NYT is showing is cooties, if not goolies, by giving these plum entry positions – perhaps the Weinstein connotation has a relevancy here – to pokemon points topping candidates. One must remember for these prized sinecures there are literally *thousands* of applicants.
    So the most cootified wins.

  40. @Tiny Duck
    white "men" must be held accountable for their actions

    These peaceful demonstrations have been infiltrated y white men who tehn proceed to start looting and shooting.

    white men are the cancer of the world and are now engaged in destroying america.

    They need to act more like People of Color and be peaceful

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @128

    We need the likes of Pinochet, Franco, and Galtieri to deal with the likes of you.

  41. America’s rulers have long since made it clear that they need no outside help to destroy the country.

    • Agree: nebulafox
  42. @syonredux
    @Ron Unz


    PSA For ANYONE who might be interested in how to pull down an obelisk* safely from an Egyptologist who never ever in a million years thought this advice might come in handy

    *might be masquerading as a racist monument I dunno

     


    WATCH THAT SUMBITCH TOPPLE GET THE %^&* OUT OF THE WAY IT WILL SMASH RUN AWAY FROM DIRECTION.

    Then celebrate. Because #BlackLivesMatter and good riddance to any obelisks pretending to be ancient Egyptian obelisks when they are in fact celebrating racism and white nationalism
     
    https://archive.vn/5dVKh



    https://besantphotography.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/dc-2013_009.jpg

    Replies: @syonredux, @Allen, @Achmed E. Newman

    Don’t tell these morons that there’s a Jefferson Davis Memorial obelisk that sits just on the Todd County side (east side) of the line between Todd and Christian* counties in western Kentucky. It is 351 ft tall, compared to the Washington Monument’s 555 ft. I’ve been to the top of it long ago.

    Good luck pulling it down with a coupla’ pieces of rope or cable, morons. The kind of people who write these tweets don’t have the imagination even, much less the skill set, to topple something like this. There’s no app for that.

    .

    * OMG, and Christian county at that! Hopkinsville is the county seat, if that helps anyone with his geography.

  43. Sean says:

    Jacob Frey gave a TV interview in which he literally said the death of Floyd was murder. Then he gave a lengthy talk at a press conference in which he repeatedly seemed about to burst into tears about murderer Chauvin not being under arrest; as if as Mayor he was powerless to order Chauvin jailed. But Frey was clearly not powerless to have his order to abandon the 3rd Precinct obeyed, and to a mob that proceed to burn it down. Not even the Assault On Precinct 13 ‘s filmmakers conceived of such a scenario.

    Jacob was elected in the aftermath of two fatal police shootings, one of an unarmed 24-year-old black by white cops that led to substantial and sustained (though underreported because Obama was pres) demonstrations, so Frey knew that his statements could bring people onto the streets. I think he associated such protests with his political stock going up as as they had previously, when they took him from young community organiser to Mayor.

    A University of Minnesota political science professor Larry Jacobs said Frey was “out of his depth” as shown by his failure to realise what failing to hold the line at the station house would lead to. I do not think that is true about Frey, he is just the type of person who is wrong for the situation. Heinz Kissinger’s Phd thesis included this

    Lacking in Metternich is the attribute which has enabled the spirit to transcend an impasse at so many crises of history: the ability to contemplate an ability to contemplate an abyss, not with the detachment of a scientist, but as a challenge to be overcome–or perish in the process. For men become legends not by what they know, nor even what they achieve, but by the tasks they set themselves.

    Projecting and managing an image of inviolable power was what Kissinger was all about. Hence the Cambodian and Christmas bombing to make the north Vietnamese see sense, and the coup in Chile. There was no direction in history, just will or the lack of it. (See New Yorker May 18, 2020, “The Wages of Realism Making Sense of Henry Kissinger).

  44. O’BRIEN: Yes, I think the actual perpetrators of the violence, the ones that are on the street, that are burning down minority-owned businesses…

    This is the best person Trump could find for the post of NSA?

  45. Charamba, in one of his tweets, said: “I think the Zimbabwean government should summon the U.S. Ambassador to explain the goings-on in the U.S.!

    Come Monday morning, Zimbabwe has in fact summoned the US ambassador to “discuss” the matter.

    According to Government officials, the Government is likely to remind Mr Nichols that Zimbabwe respects Article 2 (4) of the United Nations charter, which requires all member states to respect the territorial integrity or political independence of any state.

    “Anyone who has seen the genesis of recent events, from the tragic death of Mr Floyd to the subsequent protests, will realise that any accusations of Zimbabwean involvement at any stage is farcical,” a senior official said.

    Last week, Tanzania summoned the (acting) US ambassador to “clarify various issues that the embassy has been sharing on its social media platforms without evidence” (a panicky Corona advisory).

    Although a standard diplomatic procedure, being called to the carpet is rather harsh, and there might be a trend.

  46. @Allen
    @syonredux

    She's referring to the Confederate monument in Birmingham, AL which rioters tried unsuccessfully to pull down tonight. Still inciting to riot but not talking about the Washington monument

    Replies: @syonredux, @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder

    Gotta admit though, that one in the nation’s capital do look like a very tall klansman

  47. Altai [AKA "Altai_2"] says:

    Interesting event happened. NBA star JR Smith had his windshield hit by an antifa. Smith subsequently beat the living hell (On camera including a punch to the head while the much smaller guy was on the ground) out of him despite being much bigger than the guy and the guy no longer being a threat. Smith’s defense is basically “But I’m a black man, he should have been hitting the windshields of white people, also he’s white”.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/nba-star-jr-smith-expresses-his-disappointment-motherfking-white-boy-damaging-his-truck

    It also seems he has a long history of incidents while driving, (Including one where he ran a Stop sign and ended up with a crash that killed one of his passengers) so maybe he was concerned about his insurance premiums.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._R._Smith#Controversies

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Altai

    Thanks.

    , @David
    @Altai

    Good thing Smith screened that punk for preexisting conditions and intoxicants before kicking the crap out of him. Plus, waiting the indictment and for a jury to convict. Otherwise, this might have been a case of excessive force or even brutality.

  48. @Hypnotoad666
    @Anon

    These Rinos are, indeed, idiots. Giving the slightest credence to the "foreign medling" narrative from our side is so self-sabotaging it makes one wonder if they are really Resistance saboteurs.

    Replies: @Hugo Silva

    They can’t accept that there might be something wrong with the Shining City in a Hill so they have to blame outside agitators.

  49. @Ron Unz
    The mighty USSA with its trillion-dollar annual military budget is crumbling before a devastating bombardment of "mean tweets" by foreigners.

    Actually, some of these scenes remind me of the crumbling of the Berlin Wall and the sudden collapse of the Soviet Bloc back in 1989...

    Replies: @syonredux, @Dieter Kief, @silviosilver, @JohnnyWalker123, @Jus' Sayin'...

    Why do you think Trump and local authorities are allowing these riots? What’s their motive? Incompetence?

    It seems like Anti-Fa is remarkably well-organized. They’re being flown city to city, causing anarchy with minimal reprecussions. For whatever reason, the police are hardly doing anything to contain them.

    According to local Blacks in various places, it’s Anti-Fa (not Blacks) who are starting the riots and doing most of the severe damage (like burning down the police station in Minneapolis). Though most of the looting seems to be done by Blacks after Anti-Fa starts the riots.

    A stunningly high fraction of the protesters in these major cities are White. Even in Detroit.

    Even more strangely, it seems like Anti-Fa are being provided with materials to start chaos.

    https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1267322154833580032

    According a writer on your site, a Brookyln Synagogue is hosting an Anti-Fa fundraiser.

    https://www.unz.com/estriker/brooklyn-synagogue-to-host-antifa-rock-concert-and-fundraiser/

    It seems like much of this chaos is being scripted by powerful people working from behind the scenes. What are your thoughts on this?

    • Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...
    @JohnnyWalker123

    All this talk of foreign intervention and hardly a mention of the foreigner chiefly responsible for these white rioters, George Soros. There's been no mention at all in the fake news MSM as best I can determine and out of about fifty comments here only two mention Soros and/or a prominent, associated,
    instigating organization, the $PLC.

    , @Gordo
    @JohnnyWalker123


    It seems like much of this chaos is being scripted by powerful people working from behind the scenes.
     
    It does seem rather well coordinated. What are your very well funded intelligence agencies doing about it?
  50. Altai [AKA "Altai_2"] says:
    @Dieter Kief
    @Ron Unz


    Actually, some of these scenes remind me of the crumbling of the Berlin Wall and the sudden collapse of the Soviet Bloc back in 1989…
     
    Iconography is tricky and irony is tricky too. I think you use the wrong analogy here. - It sure sounds dramatic the way you put it, but your Berlin Wall analogy leads the reader too far away at the same time.

    I agree though up to a point in that I find it puzzling how Barack Obama's former National Security Advisor Susan Rice somehow seems to be caught in this kind of far-fetched correspondences (Walter Benjamin) and therefore concludes, that all that's happening would be "Right out of the Russian playbook".

    Replies: @Altai, @Altai

    Susan Rice isn’t really an Obama-ite. She is a neocon which is the same as saying she is a habitual liar like all people in intelligence circles. She is just the neocon that Clinton and Obama picked or are they any other options left for those posts. Like having a representative of the Church.

  51. @Altai
    Interesting event happened. NBA star JR Smith had his windshield hit by an antifa. Smith subsequently beat the living hell (On camera including a punch to the head while the much smaller guy was on the ground) out of him despite being much bigger than the guy and the guy no longer being a threat. Smith's defense is basically "But I'm a black man, he should have been hitting the windshields of white people, also he's white".

    https://twitter.com/TheyKnowInfo/status/1267210861522890754

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/nba-star-jr-smith-expresses-his-disappointment-motherfking-white-boy-damaging-his-truck

    It also seems he has a long history of incidents while driving, (Including one where he ran a Stop sign and ended up with a crash that killed one of his passengers) so maybe he was concerned about his insurance premiums.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._R._Smith#Controversies

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @David

    Thanks.

  52. Altai [AKA "Altai_2"] says:
    @Dieter Kief
    @Ron Unz


    Actually, some of these scenes remind me of the crumbling of the Berlin Wall and the sudden collapse of the Soviet Bloc back in 1989…
     
    Iconography is tricky and irony is tricky too. I think you use the wrong analogy here. - It sure sounds dramatic the way you put it, but your Berlin Wall analogy leads the reader too far away at the same time.

    I agree though up to a point in that I find it puzzling how Barack Obama's former National Security Advisor Susan Rice somehow seems to be caught in this kind of far-fetched correspondences (Walter Benjamin) and therefore concludes, that all that's happening would be "Right out of the Russian playbook".

    Replies: @Altai, @Altai

    Actually it reminds me of the Prague Spring. In previous times the Soviet forces would have ruthlessly killed protestors to put it down. In 1968 the Soviet soldiers couldn’t bring themselves to shoot them. Plenty of Soviet armour was set on fire similar to the police cars. The scenes of chaos are where the police are scared to act.

    But the dynamic is different here, the Prague Spring was a national movement for autonomy and ethnic self-determination. Here was have a specific small minority (A central feature of the many riots from African Americans is that in other contexts this would be the beginning of an independence movement but African Americans don’t have a homeland, they were brought to America) asserting collective solidarity. They are joined by other protestors who want to express outrage at the killing of George Floyd but otherwise have no real concrete agenda other than animus against Trump/whites. How long can protests without concrete objectives last? It doesn’t seem to threaten revolution.

    The arsonists and serious rioters need a critical mass of people on the streets to get away with their violence, if that number drops below that, they won’t be able or inclined to try it. The riots will fizzle out in at most 10 days but probably 8. That will leave only traditional protest marches and the antifa running around. Of course it looks like the other 3 cops will be acquitted and even Chauvin may be too, if and when that is announced there will be another night at least of serious rioting.

  53. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Ron Unz

    Why do you think Trump and local authorities are allowing these riots? What's their motive? Incompetence?

    It seems like Anti-Fa is remarkably well-organized. They're being flown city to city, causing anarchy with minimal reprecussions. For whatever reason, the police are hardly doing anything to contain them.

    According to local Blacks in various places, it's Anti-Fa (not Blacks) who are starting the riots and doing most of the severe damage (like burning down the police station in Minneapolis). Though most of the looting seems to be done by Blacks after Anti-Fa starts the riots.

    A stunningly high fraction of the protesters in these major cities are White. Even in Detroit.

    https://twitter.com/nwarikoo/status/1266981745079058435



    Even more strangely, it seems like Anti-Fa are being provided with materials to start chaos.

    https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1267322154833580032

    According a writer on your site, a Brookyln Synagogue is hosting an Anti-Fa fundraiser.

    https://www.unz.com/estriker/brooklyn-synagogue-to-host-antifa-rock-concert-and-fundraiser/

    It seems like much of this chaos is being scripted by powerful people working from behind the scenes. What are your thoughts on this?

    Replies: @Jus' Sayin'..., @Gordo

    All this talk of foreign intervention and hardly a mention of the foreigner chiefly responsible for these white rioters, George Soros. There’s been no mention at all in the fake news MSM as best I can determine and out of about fifty comments here only two mention Soros and/or a prominent, associated,
    instigating organization, the $PLC.

  54. @Ron Unz
    The mighty USSA with its trillion-dollar annual military budget is crumbling before a devastating bombardment of "mean tweets" by foreigners.

    Actually, some of these scenes remind me of the crumbling of the Berlin Wall and the sudden collapse of the Soviet Bloc back in 1989...

    Replies: @syonredux, @Dieter Kief, @silviosilver, @JohnnyWalker123, @Jus' Sayin'...

    They remind me more of left-wing-initiated violence in post-WW-I Germany except the USA has as of yet no homegrown equivalent to the Freikorps for dealing with our wannabe revolutionaries. The way things are tending that might be the next ingredient in the recipe for disaster, which our current ruling classes have concocted.

  55. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Ron Unz

    Why do you think Trump and local authorities are allowing these riots? What's their motive? Incompetence?

    It seems like Anti-Fa is remarkably well-organized. They're being flown city to city, causing anarchy with minimal reprecussions. For whatever reason, the police are hardly doing anything to contain them.

    According to local Blacks in various places, it's Anti-Fa (not Blacks) who are starting the riots and doing most of the severe damage (like burning down the police station in Minneapolis). Though most of the looting seems to be done by Blacks after Anti-Fa starts the riots.

    A stunningly high fraction of the protesters in these major cities are White. Even in Detroit.

    https://twitter.com/nwarikoo/status/1266981745079058435



    Even more strangely, it seems like Anti-Fa are being provided with materials to start chaos.

    https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1267322154833580032

    According a writer on your site, a Brookyln Synagogue is hosting an Anti-Fa fundraiser.

    https://www.unz.com/estriker/brooklyn-synagogue-to-host-antifa-rock-concert-and-fundraiser/

    It seems like much of this chaos is being scripted by powerful people working from behind the scenes. What are your thoughts on this?

    Replies: @Jus' Sayin'..., @Gordo

    It seems like much of this chaos is being scripted by powerful people working from behind the scenes.

    It does seem rather well coordinated. What are your very well funded intelligence agencies doing about it?

  56. Failed Zimbabwe is now the Evil Empire? Comedy gold.

    This is below mediocrity. O’Brien is supposed to be a lawyer. However, he also believes in baptism of the dead and magic underwear.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Amerimutt Golems


    This is below mediocrity. O’Brien is supposed to be a lawyer. However, he also believes in baptism of the dead and magic underwear.

     

    Yep, and worse, he converted to Mormonism (raised Catholic). Trump, with a few exceptions, has consistently picked the worst people.

    I now want Biden elected because I want to see the unraveling to continue. Police, courts, and prisons were the only things keeping America— a once high order, high trust society— under control with all of its naturally hostile people of color.

    Places like the Boston area have been importing a lot of blacks and browns and—surprise, surprise— last night saw its poshest parts of town totally looted by young blacks and browns as Boston cops, state police, National Guard MPs looked on.

    What went on in Boston (besides looting, parts of Chinatown were vandalized by thugs) and other cities— and the hands-off response by police— will further guarantee that the Chinese don’t bother to invest in America. The Trump Administration started to turn off the Chinese to America with the increasingly hostile rhetoric and Sinophobia, but now with the unrest televised around the world I don’t see too many Chinese sanguine about sending their kids to, and/or purchasing expensive real estate in, Boston. And Chinese immigrant money and brains has propped up Boston (and other cities in the U.S.).

    As Trump would say, sad.

  57. @silviosilver
    @Ron Unz

    Imagine being Xi Jinping right now. If he can stop laughing himself silly for just a moment, I'm sure he'd realize China will scarcely have to lift a finger to defeat the once mighty, now diverse United States. Just sit back and wait it out.

    Replies: @Goddard, @Pericles

    Many Chinese I met during my 10 yrs in Shanghai used to ask me why Americans (by which they meant white Americans) were giving away their country to foreigners.

  58. @Altai
    Interesting event happened. NBA star JR Smith had his windshield hit by an antifa. Smith subsequently beat the living hell (On camera including a punch to the head while the much smaller guy was on the ground) out of him despite being much bigger than the guy and the guy no longer being a threat. Smith's defense is basically "But I'm a black man, he should have been hitting the windshields of white people, also he's white".

    https://twitter.com/TheyKnowInfo/status/1267210861522890754

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/nba-star-jr-smith-expresses-his-disappointment-motherfking-white-boy-damaging-his-truck

    It also seems he has a long history of incidents while driving, (Including one where he ran a Stop sign and ended up with a crash that killed one of his passengers) so maybe he was concerned about his insurance premiums.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._R._Smith#Controversies

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @David

    Good thing Smith screened that punk for preexisting conditions and intoxicants before kicking the crap out of him. Plus, waiting the indictment and for a jury to convict. Otherwise, this might have been a case of excessive force or even brutality.

  59. Anon[352] • Disclaimer says:
    @Amerimutt Golems
    Failed Zimbabwe is now the Evil Empire? Comedy gold.

    This is below mediocrity. O'Brien is supposed to be a lawyer. However, he also believes in baptism of the dead and magic underwear.

    Replies: @Anon

    This is below mediocrity. O’Brien is supposed to be a lawyer. However, he also believes in baptism of the dead and magic underwear.

    Yep, and worse, he converted to Mormonism (raised Catholic). Trump, with a few exceptions, has consistently picked the worst people.

    I now want Biden elected because I want to see the unraveling to continue. Police, courts, and prisons were the only things keeping America— a once high order, high trust society— under control with all of its naturally hostile people of color.

    Places like the Boston area have been importing a lot of blacks and browns and—surprise, surprise— last night saw its poshest parts of town totally looted by young blacks and browns as Boston cops, state police, National Guard MPs looked on.

    What went on in Boston (besides looting, parts of Chinatown were vandalized by thugs) and other cities— and the hands-off response by police— will further guarantee that the Chinese don’t bother to invest in America. The Trump Administration started to turn off the Chinese to America with the increasingly hostile rhetoric and Sinophobia, but now with the unrest televised around the world I don’t see too many Chinese sanguine about sending their kids to, and/or purchasing expensive real estate in, Boston. And Chinese immigrant money and brains has propped up Boston (and other cities in the U.S.).

    As Trump would say, sad.

  60. @silviosilver
    @Ron Unz

    Imagine being Xi Jinping right now. If he can stop laughing himself silly for just a moment, I'm sure he'd realize China will scarcely have to lift a finger to defeat the once mighty, now diverse United States. Just sit back and wait it out.

    Replies: @Goddard, @Pericles

    Just imagine when Corona-chan 2 starts rolling around.

  61. @Anon
    Maybe I am missing something, but this has been an unmitigated disaster for Democrats. Probably the biggest blunder in the last one-hundred years, and serves as the high water mark for Black influence. After this, Blacks are gone, electorally-speaking. Look at Biden, Obama and Hillary. Totally silent. They have no idea what to do.

    Are Jewish Shills and RINO Republicans like Marco Rubio idiots? Of course. But it seems like their idiocy emboldens Democrat idiocy even more, which at this point is oddly a winning strategy.

    Don't overtly blame blacks for riots. Rather, simply let Blue State blue cities burn to the ground by some miraculous unknown cause. Everyone can put 2+2 together, including 50%+ percentile non-Black minorities. The under 40 crowd will see internet video. The over 50 crowd will care about property damage, and realize it is Blacks.

    Replies: @Corn Pop, @Hypnotoad666, @AnotherDad

    Are Jewish Shills and RINO Republicans like Marco Rubio idiots? Of course. But it seems like their idiocy emboldens Democrat idiocy even more, which at this point is oddly a winning strategy.

    Marco Rubio really is a pathetic idiot. It’s just embarassing.

    Sure foreigners are enjoying the spectacle of US dysfunction. Big deal.

    But they aren’t causing US dysfunction. This is 25% just blacks. But mostly the 50+ years of Jewish minoritarianism, amped up lately by the Democrats “whitey is trying to kill you!”. Plus the whole Jewish-progressive funded Antifa** street terror/theatre.

    (** “Fascist” this day and age just means disagreeing with the Jewish establishments’ “what’s good for the Jews” nation breaking program. Anything that suggests that white gentiles are entitled to their nations or is in favor of their traditions is “fascist”–nations, national pride, national heroes/narrative, traditional sex roles, traditional families, heterosexuality, Christianity … fascist, fascist, fascist.)

    Anyway this dysfunction is completely homegrown. Any Republican–like Rubio– spouting off about foreigners is blurring reality and thus playing into the Democrats’ hand.

    The Republicans here win by repeating the simple truth:
    — “Democrat riots”
    — “Democrats stoking black anger and violence with lies and not letting the legal system do its work.”
    — “Democrats unleashing their street terrorist arm–Antifa.”
    — “Democrat riots”

    • Agree: MBlanc46
    • Replies: @anonymous
    @AnotherDad

    By playing up foreign influence, dumb Democrats and Republicans are -- either intentionally or unintentionally -- making a better case for declaring Antifa an international terrorist organization. If it is purely a domestic group, it will be a more difficult legal case

    The anti-terror laws -- drafted for Al-Qeuda -- are draconian. Anyone who provides assistance can feasibly be looking at lengthy prison sentences in the federal system. Liberals don't want to acknowledge it, but you can tell Trump's move caught them off guard and unnerves them.

  62. Fascist” this day and age just means disagreeing with the Jewish establishments’ “what’s good for the Jews” nation breaking program. Anything that suggests that white gentiles are entitled to their nations or is in favor of their traditions is “fascist”–nations, national pride, national heroes/narrative, traditional sex roles, traditional families, heterosexuality, Christianity … fascist, fascist, fascist.

    A comment I posted on Andrew Joyces article on this site today:

    Fascists could be defined as “white people who have the same racial awareness of non-whites and Jews”.

    If you want to see fascism, it’s all around you – blacks, Jews, Hispanics, Asians, etc. all fighting for their racial advancement. Whites are the odd ones out.

  63. anonymous[398] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad
    @Anon


    Are Jewish Shills and RINO Republicans like Marco Rubio idiots? Of course. But it seems like their idiocy emboldens Democrat idiocy even more, which at this point is oddly a winning strategy.
     
    Marco Rubio really is a pathetic idiot. It's just embarassing.

    Sure foreigners are enjoying the spectacle of US dysfunction. Big deal.

    But they aren't causing US dysfunction. This is 25% just blacks. But mostly the 50+ years of Jewish minoritarianism, amped up lately by the Democrats "whitey is trying to kill you!". Plus the whole Jewish-progressive funded Antifa** street terror/theatre.

    (** "Fascist" this day and age just means disagreeing with the Jewish establishments' "what's good for the Jews" nation breaking program. Anything that suggests that white gentiles are entitled to their nations or is in favor of their traditions is "fascist"--nations, national pride, national heroes/narrative, traditional sex roles, traditional families, heterosexuality, Christianity ... fascist, fascist, fascist.)

    Anyway this dysfunction is completely homegrown. Any Republican--like Rubio-- spouting off about foreigners is blurring reality and thus playing into the Democrats' hand.

    The Republicans here win by repeating the simple truth:
    -- "Democrat riots"
    -- "Democrats stoking black anger and violence with lies and not letting the legal system do its work."
    -- "Democrats unleashing their street terrorist arm--Antifa."
    -- "Democrat riots"

    Replies: @anonymous

    By playing up foreign influence, dumb Democrats and Republicans are — either intentionally or unintentionally — making a better case for declaring Antifa an international terrorist organization. If it is purely a domestic group, it will be a more difficult legal case

    The anti-terror laws — drafted for Al-Qeuda — are draconian. Anyone who provides assistance can feasibly be looking at lengthy prison sentences in the federal system. Liberals don’t want to acknowledge it, but you can tell Trump’s move caught them off guard and unnerves them.

  64. @t
    This won't shut the Russia nuts up, the drive who drove his truck into a protest in Minneapolis is Ukrainian. Looking at the video he stopped as soon as he could and was assaulted but somehow he's under arrest.

    https://twitter.com/poyoloco17/status/1267282243514519559

    Replies: @MBlanc46

    Of course, he’s under arrest. They couldn’t arrest the punks who were attacking him, could they?

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