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  1. danand says:

    Wonder how long the plan had been in the works to infect Trump? The timing is too perfect.

  2. Does this mean that Biden is sick?

  3. Wilkey says:

    What’s the angle to play here? If Trump sails through with few or no ill effects it shows the public that the virus isn’t really all that bad and/or that Trump is in better shape than Biden and/or that hydroxychloroquine works, just like he’s always said.

    And how the hell is Biden going to survive an exposure to the virus? I would imagine that eventually every major politician is going to get COVID, just because meeting with lots and lots of people is part of the job description.

    OTOH, if the virus takes Trump I’m not sure that having Mike Pence at the top of the ticket would be a bad thing…

  4. danand says:

    Does this mean after Pence tests positive that Nancy finally snatches the mantel?

    • LOL: Realist
    • Replies: @Snowgrass
    , @El Dato
  5. Weird that the market is dropping. Did the marker think Trump was going to be peacefully re-elected?

    • Replies: @El Dato
  6. Clyde says:

    Trump was just coming back with his mass rallies which are crucial. This will curtail them for two weeks I suppose. He must be Covid tested everyday. If he sails through with a minimum of effects, Trump can help debunk the Covid paranoia that is hurting his re-election.
    10 days from now we will probably hear Trump — “It was like a bad cold”

  7. Anonymous[270] • Disclaimer says:

    1. The bozo should have practiced what he preached and kept taking HCQ at least once weekly.

    2. If he or whoever makes the actual decisions in his circle have any brains whatsoever, they will solicit doses of Lilly’s and Regeneron’s still experimental coronavirus neutralizing monoclonal antibodies right now, without any delay. This should almost guarantee that he and his wife will be fine in a week or so.

    3. In any cases, we get to see the spectacle of the Left loudly rooting for the death of POTUS.

  8. BenKenobi says:
    @Wilkey

    “So was getting COVID part of your plan?”

    “Of course!”

    “Well, what’s the next part of your plan?”

    “Crashing this election. With no survivors!”

  9. wren says:

    Wishing him a beautiful recovery!

    It will be incredible, believe me!

    • LOL: MBlanc46
  10. Remember when Dan Savage went around licking doorknobs to infect Gary Bauer with the flu?

    This has the Left’s fingerprints all over this.

    • Agree: Kylie
  11. Anon[269] • Disclaimer says:

    Well, I for I will pray for him. I’m not American, but Harris seems to me like the worst combination of Hillary and Obama.

  12. J.Ross says:

    Braindead lithping doctor thneering on BBC News that Trump got the “virus” because he didn’t wear a mathk. Now we have to go through what Brazil went through when Bolsonaro got “diagnosed,” which was … nothing, actually. Also, Trump has denounced all Nazis, to include anti-Nazis, such as the Proud Boys. Yet another illustration that everyone who falls for the Lucy football of anti-racism is an idiot.

  13. It won’t affect him in the slightest.

    I keep hearing that only 10,000 Covid deaths happened to those without comorbidities. I don’t know if that is accurate but supposedly the CDC released some stats that showed very few deaths occurred to otherwise healthy people. But it was buried in a way that was hard to suss out.

    • Agree: Je Suis Omar Mateen
  14. Anon[274] • Disclaimer says:

    You know what? If Trump has it and was talking vigorously close to Biden at the debate, he could very well have given it to Biden.

    Timing is suspicious. Maybe that was the plot all along. Give it to both Trump and Biden, and knock off both right before the election, and then PRESIDENT HARRIS!

    But if Boris survived with plasma treatment, so could Trump.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  15. J.Ross says:
    @danand

    Infect nothing, the WuFlu test has been shown to be garbage, and all the news stories about infections were explicitly political and moralistic. He was “diagnosed,” not shown to actually have it.

    • Agree: Je Suis Omar Mateen
  16. Mike1 says:

    No better test than this. Trump is old and overweight.

    Futures are dropping hard I guess a few traders are freaked out.

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
  17. Liza says:

    Anyone remember how, 6 months ago, at the start of this rumpus, various celebrities and important people announced that they had the corona? There was the Hankses (both sick for 2 weeks, feeling bad but not deathly ill, tho Tom Hanks is diabetic)and some important person in Britain (Health Minister?) and the wife of Kanada’s prime minister (mild symptoms only) come to mind, but I am sure there were more. Gotta have celebrities with Corona.

    If these same people, and everyone else in the world, had regular flu last year, or the years before that going back to the dawn of time, you never heard about it. What a steaming pile of BS this all lis.

  18. For those wondering: the second debate is exactly two weeks from tonight, on Thursday the 15th, so we’ll see if the show goes on.

  19. Trump Has Got the Virus

    New proposed debate conditions: Trump will allow a mic cutoff, but he and Biden will stand three feet apart and forgo masks.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  20. He’s 74 and very fat, so I’m just going to hope that this is a publicity stunt to garner sympathy and increase his polling numbers.

    If he actually has it and dies (not entirely unlikely) then oh Lord that is going to be a shit show.

    • Agree: Liza
  21. No way Trump wins now. A tight Biden win will now become a Biden landslide.

    I haven’t been critical about Trump’s response to COVID because I don’t think any American politician would have done much better. The one area I’ve though he deserved criticism about was wearing masks. Seems to me it is prudent to use the bully pulpit to promote mask wearing. And now not wearing a mask has come back to bite Trump on the @ss.

  22. Anonymous[219] • Disclaimer says:

    RELAX.

    Testing positive now is not such a big deal compared to last winter. Many of the tests are extremely sensitive. They are detecting almost nano levels.

    Right now we are in a Case-O-Demic where hospital admissions are very low. Tons of positives and not much morbidity.

    Reasonable to expect all infected at White House will have mild symptoms or none at all.

    Yes Trump’s medical team will do the HCQ zinc vit D saturation and it will have an impact but also this rna virus is much older now than last winter and has mutated many times. The history of sars virus family is mutations to trend less deadly.

    • Agree: Captain Tripps, TTSSYF
  23. Roger says:

    If Biden wants out of the next debate, he has an excuse.

    This is bad. Trump will miss a bunch of rallies, and he needed them.

    • Agree: Father Coughlin
    • Disagree: PhysicistDave, Ron Mexico
    • Replies: @John Johnson
  24. IFR for 75 year-olds is 4.2%.

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
  25. @Daniel Chieh

    • Replies: @anonymous
  26. First reaction: Oh no!! We hope Trump can beat this and still win this fight. Melania too! Just back up the truck with the hydroxyquine!

    The Jewish celebrities will be baring their fangs,like covid is the Hand of G-d.

  27. notsaying says:

    This is so strange. I just saw about an hour ago that Hope Hicks had it and now both Trump and his wife. I didn’t expect this. Well, he didn’t want to wear a mask and teased Biden over his mask and here he is with Covid-19.

    This is certainly not good for his campaign. His age and his weight are against him. I hope everybody at the White House recovers without any lingering problems like some of them have.

  28. Kronos says:
    @danand

    October Surprise?

    *Laughs in CIA.*

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    , @danand
  29. @Liza

    The Rock had it,I believe.

    • Thanks: Liza
  30. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    I would rate Trump as more vigorous than the average man his age. His odds of survival are probably somewhere between 99/100 and 9,998/10,000. Disinformed liberals seem to think the China Virus is a death sentence.

    How do the optics play here? I assume well. And the fake news is attempting to hit Melania over some surreptitiously recorded gossip? THAT was their October surprise? I imagine she wins sympathy there. I think things are looking up.

    Was Trump intentionally infected? Probably. But by whom?

    Our prayers are with the President. However it is likely he will not need them.

    • Agree: jim jones
    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
  31. Twinkie says:
    @Kronos

    Both Trump and Biden get sick/incapacitated?

    Pence vs. Harris, who wins?

  32. jamie b. says:
    @Clyde

    More likely he’ll be informing us that ‘nobody knew’ it was so bad.

    • Replies: @Che Blutarsky
  33. Anonymous[219] • Disclaimer says:

    Funny that even here at iSteve — where people have higher information knowledge than avg joe on the street — a positive covid test gets a hysterical reception.

    We are so far from January when this thing was a scary unknown virus. The Case-O-Demic is infuriating bullshit. Even zerohedge hypes the positive tests like each one is a death sentence. OH NO WE’RE ALL GONNA DIE.

    Covid today is a weakling virus. Not exactly ebola. The left will mindlessly celebrate and the entire episode will help Trump not hurt him.

    • Replies: @Kronos
  34. Menes says: • Website

    Wow! Talk about drama. So , no more debates. Biden must be relieved.

    Chances are good that Trump will beat Covid. He will get the best treatment available. Plus, he is very healthy. He has unbelievable stamina. But if he dies MAGA will go nuts. For sure they will believe their god-emperor was murdered.

  35. Dmitry says:

    Prime Minister of Russia (Mikhail Mishustin), Prime Minister of UK (Boris Johnson), President of Brazil (Jair Bolsonaro) – have all been infected and recovered from coronavirus, earlier this year.

    It’s unsurprising for political leaders to receive infection with this virus, considering their job usually involves interacting with many people each day.

    One reason Donald Trump’s infection can be bad news, is because a proportion of the citizens are innumerate, and if they see their leader recovering from coronavirus (as he likely will), then some of these citizens might infer that it is therefore “not a dangerous virus” and be further encouraged to reduce their anti-epidemic precautions ceteris paribus.

  36. @Daniel Chieh

    2020 is an evil year.

    May God have mercy on us all.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    , @MBlanc46
  37. @NJ Transit Commuter

    Alternatively, the gleeful reactions from the left turn off moderates and fire up Trump’s base, and Trump beats the virus by taking HCQ and looks like a champ.

    And now not wearing a mask has come back to bite Trump on the @ss.

    No one wears a mask all the time, and Trump took plenty of precautions, including having everyone in contact with him tested. Leadership involves risk though, and the more people you’re in contact with, the higher the risk of catching COVID.

    • Agree: Sean, Redneck farmer
  38. @danand

    And it’s rhetoric like this that will plunge the USA into a civil war if he actually dies.

    • Disagree: Chrisnonymous
    • Replies: @Coemgen
    , @Anon
    , @J.Ross
  39. BenKenobi says:
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    Counter-prediction:

    Trump takes HCQ et al. treatment, comes out swinging at next debate. Masks are the new mark of shame.

  40. Menes says:

    How many thousands of people will have to be quarantined now because of this? Certainly everyone who works in the White House should be. And everyone they came into contact with. How many of them have been infected? How many of them will die?

    Woodward’s book and now this. Looking very bad for Trump.

  41. gate666 says:
    @danand

    trump is stupid enough.

  42. Anonymous[413] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross

    Doesn’t matter if he’s infected or not. It gives Deep State closer physical access to him via agents embedded among doctors and medical personnel for poisoning:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor%27s_Plot

  43. Crank says:

    Plot twist – Trump ends up being asymptomatic but passed it to Biden during the debate, and Biden lays on his deathbed on Election Day. But nobody can tell the difference because he’s so rarely gets out anyway.

  44. enochian says:

    Is there any precedent in US history for a major party presidential candidate having to drop out due to health a month before the election?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  45. Kaz says:
    @danand

    Trump has been holding massive rallies for months now.

    Why would you need a plan to infect Trump? He’s been acting like covid is nothing but a mild cold.

    • Replies: @JimB
    , @Rich
  46. @wren

    Plus, it stands to reason that if <1% die than that 1% is going to be those with the 1% weakest health, or at least those near the bottom. There are 74 year olds in pretty bad shape. Trump is not that.

    70+ lol. Let's break that down. To many 80s & 90s gumming it up.

    • Replies: @SF
  47. @RichardTaylor

    I don’t know if that is accurate

    Accurate and then some. “Presumed to have covid” is a thing.

    • Thanks: RichardTaylor
  48. Lot says:

    I’m Ready for Pence!

    • Agree: Rich
    • Replies: @vinteuil
  49. @R.G. Camara

    Remember when Dan Savage went around licking doorknobs to infect Gary Bauer with the flu?

    This has the Left’s fingerprints all over this.

    The press should have been kept 50 feet from anyone that is close to Trump.

    The modern left is truly unhinged and deranged. I wouldn’t doubt at all that some journalist got a positive result and decided to show up for work anyways.

    Trump embodies everything they hate the most: White, male, capitalist, and worst of all……doesn’t hand his balls over to the order.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @Thatgirl
  50. prosa123 says:
    @Liza

    Boris Johnson was very sick for a time, but he has since admitted that he had such a bad case because he’s fat.

    • Thanks: Liza
    • Replies: @Liza
  51. @Twinkie

    Both Trump and Biden get sick/incapacitated?

    Pence vs. Harris, who wins?

    Pence would beat Biden or Trump. In fact he would have better numbers than Trump.

    I’ll probably turn off the media for a while. I won’t be able to stand the inevitable crass and tasteless cheering from the left.

    • LOL: S. Anonyia
    • Replies: @anonymous
  52. Trump is obese, doesn’t work out and is 70 plus. That puts him in the high risk age group. I wouldn’t be surprised if he passed it on to Biden at the debate. We may have an election where one or both of the candidates is dead before polling day.

  53. @Anonymous

    1. The bozo should have practiced what he preached and kept taking HCQ at least once weekly.

    What makes you think he hasn’t? If HCQ plus zinc and Azithromycin works as advertised, he will get a mild case. It was never claimed that that precaution would prevent you from getting it at all, was it?

    • Agree: Polynikes, ben tillman
    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @Anonymous
  54. Kronos says:
    @Twinkie

    I’m still waiting for the battle of the sons. Donald Jr. vs Hunter Biden.

    Also, not my original idea.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @Che Blutarsky
  55. anonymous[387] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Yesterday, Biden was reported as tired and weak. His team called for a “LID” by mid-afternoon.

    Reagan got shot, could have died, recovered, people thought he was invincible.

    Trumps gets COVID, posts photos eating Macdonalds, hopefully without the buns, practices his golf swing on the White House lawn each afternoon, holds virtual rallies over the internet, come November wins in a landslide.

    Meanwhile, Biden has it much tougher recovering. Biden is frail. Wish him the best.

  56. @Roger

    If Biden wants out of the next debate, he has an excuse.

    This is bad. Trump will miss a bunch of rallies, and he needed them.

    No one really cares about a second debate. The first one was bad enough.

    If Trump recovers within a few weeks then people will view him as symbolic of beating the virus.

    People that have tested positive will identify with him.

    If he can get through then his numbers will go up.

  57. MEH 0910 says:
    @danand

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  58. We were all expecting Biden to come down with it, we all forgot about Trump. Now that’s 4D chess!

  59. @Anonymous

    Why in hell would you want President Trump to take any of these experimental drugs whose effectiveness and freedom of problematic side effects won’t be known for many months — if ever?

    Do you wish him ill (pun intended)?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @GoRedWings!
  60. Mr. Anon says:

    He didn’t test positive for COVID-19. He tested positive for SARS-COV-2. Having the virus is not the same as having the disease. You’d think people would know this by now. Even testing positive for the virus doesn’t necessarily mean you have it, give the high false-positive rate.

  61. @JohnnyWalker123

    https://www.vice.com/en/article/mvka3v/how-i-told-my-triad-im-in-love

    Yes, may God judge us swiftly.

    How I Told My Husband and Boyfriend I’m Dating Another Man

    I already had a husband, a boyfriend, and all the guys I could fuck. I had enough guys. Then there was Conor.

  62. @Anon

    Well, I for I will pray for him. I’m not American, but Harris seems to me like the worst combination of Hillary and Obama.

    “The Rock”, in endorsing her ticket, called her “badass”.

    He’s more right than he imagines.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  63. Mr. Anon says:
    @Kronos

    I’m still waiting for the battle of the sons. Donald Jr. vs Hunter Biden.

    Who will win in the “Snorting coke off a stripper’s ass” competition. My money is on Hunter.

    • Replies: @Escher
  64. anonymous[387] • Disclaimer says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    Big Pharma hates HCQ.

    Not only is it proving useful in fighting Covid-19, it is showing to have a very promising future as part of a Ketogenic alternative protocol to super expensive chemotherapy for fighting almost all cancers.

    Dr. Thomas Seyfried: Cancer as a Mitochondrial Metabolic Disease

    Trump will be fine as long as he stays away from Big Pharma.

  65. El Dato says:
    @Hamilton was right 2

    “The market” in a worse state than the Reichskanzlei in May 1945. Of course it’s dropping.

    Meanwhile in the UK:

    Threats of house arrest and sacking will not be enough to persuade people to take the Covid vaccine

    Nevertheless, the authors almost win the sceptical reader over with their plea for “the best available evidence about the vaccine’s safety and efficacy.” That seems honourable – let the evidence decide. But they immediately affix that statement with “the possibility that the evidence underlying FDA approval of SARS-CoV-2 vaccines may be more modest than usual.” Sometimes you have to admire the neck of these people. No doubt soon dissenters like me will be arrested on the basis of “modest evidence.”

  66. Anonymous[122] • Disclaimer says:

    iSteve you gotta file this plot twist under TRUMP’S LUCK.

    Already the idiots at WaPo are grave dancing. You cannot write a better script in Trump’s favor.

    Countless lefties will be unable to control they’re death wish impulses over the next two weeks and that translates into a backlash at the polls.

    Sorry libs this plot twist makes Trump stronger.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
    • Disagree: polistra
    • Replies: @Swampo-Snowden
  67. @enochian

    Closest was Horace Greeley in 1872. His wife died a week before the election and then he died a few weeks after the election.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  68. I don’t wish the virus upon anybody, but I’m pretty sure that my sister had it already in Sept 2019 after taking a business trip to SEAsia. She was sick for 2 months and lost her sense of taste and smell. Also, my friend, a specialist, treated a patient for respiratory illness in early Jan 2020, that patient ended up on a ventilator and also tested positive for the other type of coronavirus, not Covid-19(there was no Covid-19 test in early Jan 2020). The other 4 types of coronavirus are literally very mild, like having a cold and you do not lose your sense of smell and taste, which also happened to the patient. So almost for sure he had Covid-19, cos Covid-19 patients test positive for normal coronavirus also.

    I’m pretty sure the virus was circulating outside China in mid 2019 and late 2019, and even the University of Barcelona found Covid-19 in its city sewage in March 2019.

    This fits in with the theory that early variants of Covid-19 escaped from USAMRIID Fort Detrick through its sewage in the one-year period after USAMRIID’s steam sterilization plant burned down in May 2018, until CDC closed down USAMRIID after the Greenspring nursing home nearby suffered an fatal outbreak of Covid-19 in July 2019.

    At that point, escaped early variants of Covid-19 were not as infectious and flew under the radar, mistaken as normal flu or vaping deaths. However, as Covid-19 spread into Europe and China, it mutated into a more virulent strain and came back from mainly Europe to re-infect the USA.

    That explains why the USA has all the ancestral strains of Covid-19 and Europe and China only have the descendant strains, because Covid-19 came from the USA first.

    However, the CDC, under the instructions of Pompeo and the Trump regime, covered this up, ordering all 2019 samples destroyed, and also putting out a flawed test kit to delay testing to further cover up the trail of the virus. Later on, Trump would even withdraw from the WHO so WHO teams would not be able to trace the virus back to the USA n USAMRIID.

    As they say, things go full circle. I guess this is what Trump and his supporters call winning, so much winning that you get tired of winning.

    At least we won’t have to suffer thru any more debates.

    • Agree: Tor597
    • Disagree: BenKenobi, Sebastian Hawks
    • LOL: Polynikes
    • Troll: polistra, GeneralRipper
  69. Trump will take hydroxychloroquine and will be assassinated – it’ll look like a heart attack or something else plausible for a fat, mid-seventies guy. They’ll attribute the death to Covert-19 and declare hydroxychloroquine ineffective, no matter what heroic Dr. Atlas, et al may say. They’ll insist that we all be vaccinated against the bug with Gate’s nanotech-infused, 5G-monitored, ruse-in-a-needle. It will be the prophesied Skynet mark of the beast from Revelations 13; compliance will decide whether you eat, travel, buy/sell, work, etc. Cash will be phased the rest of the way out. Coins are disappearing and Walgreens and others already take only electronic payment. Police and military will be empowered to do what they’re doing in Australia. 80 million Americans armed with 300 million firearms will go on the warpath. A million Kyle Rittenhouses will go Shittenhouse. Supply lines will falter; supermarkets will empty, Christmas UPS rush will be messy, the election and aftermath will be messy. Go long popcorn futures and take partial delivery into Spring ’21. I elect Gilbert Gottfried cackling madly on a continuous loop as background ambience.

    • Replies: @Muggles
  70. Already the gleeful progressives are gloating on facebook. If I’d heard Biden had COVID-19, it wouldn’t make me happy. I just don’t have it in me to be that hateful over politics. Progressives have their hate dial set at “11.” Of course, they believe that their hate is really a form of love. Their hearts are overflowing with so much love that they can’t help but hate those who stand in their way.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave, Jay Fink
    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
  71. @Steve Sailer

    Closest was Horace Greeley in 1872. His wife died a week before the election and then he died a few weeks after the election.

    Vice President Sherman died a few days before the 1912 election, and was replaced by Nicholas Murray Butler.

    Saved him the indignity of announcing the worst incumbent loss ever in January. His ticket carried only Vermont and Utah, for a total of eight electors. (Anyone know who did count the votes in the joint session?)

    If Trump’s diet hasn’t killed him by now, what chance does a mere virus have?

  72. Anonymous[425] • Disclaimer says:

    Blessing in disguise.

    Have children sing for his health, and have Trump seem appreciative and strong. Take it all in stride.

    • Replies: @Sya Beerens
  73. El Dato says:

    OT:

    October announces itself full of surprises and the Big Surprise will be in two weeks hence only. Will I be able to get any work done?

    Random links from RT:

    [MORE]

    Comey’s & FBI management’s plan of “let’s finagle something, Madame President will paper it over” not coming to fruition:

    ‘Clueless’ former FBI Director James Comey admits the agency’s Trump-Russia probe was a ball of bungled confusion

    Democrats at the hearing tried to shore up Comey’s defense and turn the case against Trump by claiming he had sided with Russian President Vladimir Putin regarding US intelligence agencies. They implied that Trump had defamed US intelligence by saying the various agencies’ work was “concerning.”

    While memeing continues in complete ignorance of the above:

    ‘What could go wrong?’ Former FBI assistant director suggests bipartisan committee ‘VETTING’ candidates – to prevent another Trump

    Frank Figliuzzi, former FBI assistant director for counterintelligence, says a President Trump “can’t happen again,” so a “bipartisan committee,” rather than voters, should “vet” and approve future candidates.

    Figliuzzi, who worked under Robert Mueller at the FBI, made it clear during a Thursday appearance on MSNBC he buys into conspiracy theories about Donald Trump being influenced by the Russian government, calling him “the most vulnerable president in history.”

    … to Israeli interests, of course? HAH!

    Caravans are back:

    Caravan of more than 3,000 US-bound migrants cross illegally into Guatemala from Honduras (VIDEOS)

    CNN drops bombshell with walls closing in as they are running out of rat holes to hide in:

    ‘Who gives a f**k about Christmas stuff?’ Trump haters paint First Lady as Grinch who loathes kids after CNN leaks #MelaniaTapes

    Trying to grind Rittenhouse into bloody dust for the crime of not simply rolling over:

    ‘Background facts’ not talking points: DHS trashes NBC claim Trump officials were instructed to ‘sympathize’ with Rittenhouse

    AP stylebook update:

    Why say ‘riot’ when you can be vague and sensitive instead, AP Stylebook urges in newest Orwellian guidelines

    Used as the journalism Bible by most English-language media, the AP Stylebook has updated its guidance for employing the word ‘riot,’ citing the need to avoid “stigmatizing” groups protesting “for racial justice.”

    While acknowledging the dictionary definition of riot as a “wild or violent disturbance of the peace,” AP said the word somehow “suggests uncontrolled chaos and pandemonium.”

  74. anonymous[252] • Disclaimer says:
    @John Johnson

    doesn’t hand his balls over to the order.

    Don’t quite understand what that means, because it certainly appears he has handed his jellies to the juden.

  75. @danand

    Trump will take hydroxychloroquine and he’ll be assassinated – it’ll look like a heart attack or something else plausible for a fat, mid-seventies guy. They’ll attribute the death to Covert-19 and declare hydroxychloroquine ineffective, no matter what heroic Dr. Atlas, et al may say. They’ll insist that we all be vaccinated against the storied bin Laden bogey-virus with Gate’s nanotech-infused, 5G-monitored, ruse-in-a-needle. It will be the prophesied Skynet mark of the beast from Revelations 13; compliance will decide whether you eat, travel, buy/sell, work, etc. Cash will be continue to be phased out. Coins are disappearing and Walgreens and others already take only electronic payment. Police and military will be empowered to do what they’re doing in Australia. 80 million Americans with 300 million firearms will go on the warpath. A million Kyle Rittenhouses will go Shittenhouse. Supply lines will falter; supermarkets will empty, Christmas UPS rush will be chaotic, the election and aftermath will be violent. Go long popcorn futures and take partial delivery into Spring ’21. I elect Gilbert Gottfried cackling madly on a continuous loop as background ambience.

  76. Altai says:

    The real question, which one has more risk factors? Biden or Trump? Biden is older and looks more frail but fat tissue is associated with more APOE receptors. Who has higher blood pressure?

    Biden is fortunate, Democrat rallies would be demographically skewed to have more infected but nobody showed up for any of his.

    • Thanks: Mr McKenna
    • Replies: @Wielgus
  77. Anonymous[270] • Disclaimer says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    No, it was claimed. Not conclusive but there is a fair case to be made that HCQ can act prophylactically.

  78. Best wishes to President and Mrs. Trump for a rapid and full recovery.

    My guess is that if the illness does prove to be anything more than a mild episode, this will pull out the sympathy vote for President Trump like nothing else. There will not be a Republican who supports him who will fail to vote for him.

    • LOL: Tor597
    • Replies: @Kronos
    , @wren
    , @Tor597
    , @Ed
  79. Anonymous[270] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dago Shoes

    Monoclonal antibodies as drugs has been studied for several decades. They are as safe as any medicine. The specific antibodies for COVID-19 were tested in Phase III trials, with success. They are the closest thing that exists to a specific and effective COVID-19 treatment regardless the disease stage.

  80. Escher says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Talk about reversion to the mean.

  81. Coemgen says:
    @DextersLabRat

    It’s not the rhetoric, it’s the coincidences that we were expecting to happen that can lead to war.

    We were expecting something after the impeachment failed. We got a pandemic.

    We were expecting an “October Surprise” and we’ve been expecting President Trump to be infected with SARS-CoV-2. Well, it’s October and he’s infected.

  82. anonymous[252] • Disclaimer says:
    @John Johnson

    I’ll probably turn off the media for a while. I won’t be able to stand the inevitable crass and tasteless cheering from the left.

    Yes, the same sentiments I had when far-right scum were rejoicing the massacre in Christchurch.

    I remember the utter lowlifes here who were virtually orgasming with glee; “I can’t wait to see the video,” they came!

    May the Almighty One will a pox on all such soulless vermin, including the orange tub-o-swinefat tRumpelthinskin.

    • Troll: Aeronerauk
    • Replies: @fnn
  83. LondonBob says:
    @Dmitry

    The media got very excited about Bolsanoro being infected, don’t remember any follow up after he was fine. Trump should be fine, a little overweight, little on the old side, but he should get the best attention.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  84. Dumbo says:

    Countless lefties will be unable to control their death wish impulses

    My Faceberg timeline is already filled with liberals celebrating and wishing for his speedy death.

  85. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Plus, they need to put stickers on the floor. More stickers!

  86. wren says:
    @Anon

    worst combination of Hillary and Obama.

    Yeah, Kamala is a HO.

    • LOL: V. Hickel
    • Replies: @The King is a Fink
  87. Kronos says:
    @Anonymous

    Funny that even here at iSteve — where people have higher information knowledge than avg joe on the street — a positive covid test gets a hysterical reception.

    It’s the fact it occurred near the end of the 2020 Presidential campaign. These next few weeks are crucial. The Covid lockdown has already crimped Trump’s campaign rally style and now he’s on personal lockdown for 14 days. You can’t deploy him in battleground districts/states as of right now.

    • Replies: @Seneca44
  88. Kronos says:
    @PiltdownMan

    I hope they tested him twice. It’ll suck if it was a false positive and this wasted valuable campaign time.

    • LOL: Justvisiting
  89. wren says:
    @PiltdownMan

    All the nuts are filling the comments section in my local paper with death wishes.

    “Just inject some Clorox and die from this fake virus,” etc.

    They are like the antifa folks who think everyone agrees with them and end up driving people to Trump.

    Also.

    If Trump wasn’t already pissed enough with China prior to this, wait until the super anti-xi emerges post-virus.

    Super powers he didn’t know he had.

  90. @J.Ross

    Yep. The PCR test was never designed for this – the inventor himself said so.

    This whole mountain of lies is built upon a test that returns large numbers of false positives. The ‘pandemic’, such as it was, it over.

    • Agree: GeneralRipper
    • Replies: @gcochran
  91. @Harry Baldwin

    Harry Baldwin wrote:

    Already the gleeful progressives are gloating on facebook. If I’d heard Biden had COVID-19, it wouldn’t make me happy. I just don’t have it in me to be that hateful over politics.

    Five minutes ago, I told my wife I’d bet the Left couldn’t hold off for forty-eight hours without being vicious.

    But already? What is wrong with these people?

    Harry also wrote:

    Progressives have their hate dial set at “11.” Of course, they believe that their hate is really a form of love. Their hearts are overflowing with so much love that they can’t help but hate those who stand in their way.

    I guess so. To sane people, life is about family, work, entertainment, personal betterment, etc.

    But to the Left: politics über alles .

    As the famous Italian Socialist put it: “Everything within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state.”

    Reminds me of that most terrifying of scenes in juvenile fiction: the children bouncing their balls on Camazotz in Madeleine L’Engle’s A Wrinkle In Time — human beings who lack selves.

    No matter what happens in the next twelve months, remember to pity those on the Left: they have sold their humanity for a bowl of pottage, a bowl that is empty.

    • Agree: danand, Yngvar
    • Replies: @Justvisiting
    , @Buffalo Joe
  92. danand says:
    @Kronos

    “October Surprise?”

    Kronos, it certainly is a bit of a surprise/shock. And we’re but the 2nd day in. I’ll really be thrown back if Trump doesn’t come out unscathed, or close to it, healthwise; but an unwelcome & untimely surprise none the less.

    China’s initial reaction seems pretty smug, for a country that was the source of this worldwide affliction. I would think this not a great attitude to take; in that very unlikely event their actions lead to the demise of a world stage leader.

    In addition to the official responses (from Rueters) below, I have already received quite a few texts from people in China expressing their pleasure over the news on Trump. The impression I’m left with is they are not too concerned with any possible international repercussions; could just be my bias?

    HU XIJIN, EDITOR IN CHIEF OF CHINA’S GLOBAL TIMES, TWEETED

    “President Trump and the first lady have paid the price for his gamble to play down the COVID-19. The news shows the severity of the US’ pandemic situation. It will impose a negative impact on the image of Trump and the US, and may also negatively affect his reelection.”

    CHINA DAILY, THE OFFICIAL ENGLISH LANGUAGE NEWSPAPER

    “The positive test is yet another reminder that the coronavirus continues to spread, even as Trump has tried desperately to suggest it no longer poses a danger. Since it emerged earlier this year, Trump, the White House and his campaign have played down the threat and refused to abide by basic public health guidelines — including those issued by his own administration — such as wearing masks in public and practicing social distancing. Instead, Trump has continued to hold campaign rallies that draw thousands of supporters. The virus has killed more than 200,000 Americans and infected more than 7 million nationwide.”

    • Replies: @Pericles
  93. @JohnnyWalker123

    IFR for 75 year-olds is 4.2%

    You’re conflating IFR with CFR. The death rate you’ve cited is a CFR, and requires infection with SARS-nCoV2, and disease sufficient to be declared COVD19. We have no idea what the IFR is, because we don’t know how many asymptomatic infected 75 year olds there are.

    In any case: CFR for 75 year olds who are
     • non-diabetic; and
     • have no chronic cardiopulmonary disease; and
     • are not residents of aged-care facilities
        … is almost zero.

    inb4 “Obesity”. Yes, the Cheeto Combover is obese – but the contribution of ‘obesity’ to covid19 mortality really happens because it’s really a proxy for metabolic syndrome without actual diabetes: it’s ‘hidden’ insulin resistance, systematic inflammation and so forth. In other words, people who have undiagnosed metabolic dysfunction.

    Trump will have his c-reactive protein numbers (and other less-critical blood numbers) measured monthly as part of the normal monitoring of political leaders: if it was high as a result of his obesity, he would already have been treated.

    Plus, obesity only contributes to covid19 mortality if BMI is over 40 – which is “William Howard Taft” level fatness.

    Trump’s BMI will be more like high-20s/low 30s – just ‘stupid fat cunt who eats a lot of shit‘ fatness.

    He’ll be fine.

    This could be an actual example of the mythical 4D chess: he has an almost 100% chance of getting through it completely unscathed, in which case he will be able to take to a podium and high-five himself non-stop until Election Day.

    The schlubs will think he’s some sort of obese, orange-skinned, weird-haircut-having ‘Merkin superhero – defeating Wuhan Manchu Flu by his own self, like a gatdamMurkin.

    U!~S!~A!… repeat and fade.

    If probability works as expected and he gets through this completely unscathed, he will win bigly – as well as immediately being crowned as the world’s #1 global expert on covid – fuck, on viruses, UV light, epidemiology, remdesivir (and resveratrol, and reverse-cycle airconditioning) and fuck it… gastric-band surgery … because why the fuck not.

    He’ll be able to finally convince Murkins that birds don’t exist.

    • Troll: GeneralRipper
  94. @Dmitry

    One reason Donald Trump’s infection can be bad news, is because a proportion of the citizens are innumerate, …

    90% of the freakin’ country is innumerate, Dmitry. That’s like 19 in 20 or something.

    Seriously, though, plenty of people who are innumerate have some perspective. After 8 months of this Infotainment Panic-Fest many are realizing that they have been had by this charade. They don’t know ANYONE who has died from it, note that 3/4 of college kids are wearing masks out in the bright sunshine, yet none of the thousands of cases have resulted in hospitalization even, other students are partying it up in large masses 1 ft. apart yet there is no math death or even sickness, retards are still driving around in their own vehicles with masks on … should I go on?

    People may be innumerate, but with some perspective, they note that there was none of this LOCKDOWN and mask/face shield/sticker/sanitizer stupidity the last handful of times there was a deadly disease out of the Orient.

    If they see the President (our “leader”? Please, he’s not supposed to be our “leader”), a 70-something y/o guy in not the fittest condition, recover, it’ll be that much more confirmation that the country has been had by the “experts” and the Lyin’ Press. I don’t agree this is all just about defeating Trump, but that’s what people will believe even more and be that much more pissed off and vote for him.

    BTW, I now have someone in my family who KNOWS someone who was pretty sick with this Kung Flu. She was in her 60s and obese. She got pretty sick but is better now – they just aren’t meeting up with him as the restaurant, as they usually would.

    • Agree: TontoBubbaGoldstein
    • Thanks: Jim Christian
    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    , @anon
  95. U. Ranus says:
    @Ali Choudhury

    the high risk age group

    It looks “high risk” only when viewed side by side with the “pretty much no risk” group most of us belong to. But even if “obese”, Trump is observably high energy and his fat is likely not a marker of bad health or compromised immunity, but merely of a good life.

    The real risk for Trump right now is iatrogenic damage.

  96. notsaying says:
    @GreatSocialist

    Where did this theory come from? Who agrees with it who knows what they are talking about?

    • Replies: @utu
  97. Tor597 says:
    @danand

    Might as well say that Biden is being poisoned by his chef to make him seem senile.

    Or the obvious is that Trump caught the infection because he was not wearing his mask and that Biden is old and actually senile.

    No conspiracies here, just a bunch of cope.

  98. Polynikes says:
    @danand

    If I’m doing conspiracy theories, it’s that this is a false positive and Biden’s excuse to get out of future debates (or have them via teleconference where he can be propped up).

    • Replies: @J1234
  99. @GreatSocialist

    Thank you for some sense.

    The deniers, the idiots, “disagree” with you because they don’t like it to be true.

    They base their “opinions” on what they like and don’t like.

    Sort of how most people vote.

    The two worst things in the world are “like” and “dislike.” The absolute antithesis of logos.

    • Disagree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Thanks: GreatSocialist
    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
  100. @Mr. Anon

    He didn’t test positive for COVID-19. He tested positive for SARS-COV-2. Having the virus is not the same as having the disease. You’d think people would know this by now. Even testing positive for the virus doesn’t necessarily mean you have it, give the high false-positive rate.

    We all know that, but a very large proportion of the viewership/readership of major media are being kept ignorant – quite deliberately.

    Problem is that now, when Trump gets through it with no effects, the entire Wokesphere can’t make that distinction (to try to undermine the “Trump Smashes Xi’s Flu” narrative) … without making the proles aware of the distinction, which is really really unhelpful in their bid to continue the Casedemic, which is the rickety superstructure of the whole “OBEY US OR EVERYONE WILL DIE” lockdown ‘thing’ – GLOBALLY.

    If Sanjay dotGupta ever tells stupid housewives that “cases” are a meaningless number, there are going to be a lot of pissed off shut-ins.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  101. Polynikes says:
    @Wilkey

    Pence is a dummy. He’d be a poor mans Bush Jr.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
  102. Tor597 says:
    @Ali Choudhury

    Double KO with Pence and Harris facing off.

    Now that would be a fitting end to 2020.

    • Agree: Mr McKenna
  103. @LondonBob

    How is Boris Johnson doing?

    Last December he was said to be a political genius who’d finally solved Brexit. I don’t hear that kind of talk about him anymore.

  104. gcochran says:
    @Simon Tugmutton

    Totally false. PCR works fine.

    • Thanks: MEH 0910
    • Replies: @Simon Tugmutton
    , @Sub
  105. Polynikes says:
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    Masks are useless except in identifying the superstitious slaves to authority. Trump not wearing one affected his chances of getting covid by 0%. It’s the best thing he did throughout this while ordeal.

    It’s surprising he didn’t catch it earlier given his travel and lifestyle.

    • Replies: @Travis
  106. Tor597 says:
    @PiltdownMan

    The cope is strong with you.

    You act like Trump has cancer, which could have brought sympathy. But Trump has Covid.

    Some people will see this as his just due since he bungled the handling of the Corona virus. Most people just see this as a further sign of his incompetence and don’t want to see him literally die.

    • Agree: GreatSocialist
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  107. @DextersLabRat

    If he actually has it and dies (not entirely unlikely)

    Saying that a thing is ‘not entirely unlikely’ implies that the thing has a non-trivial probability of happening. It doesn’t just mean that the thing might happen.

    For SARS-nCoV2, going from ‘infected’ to ‘dead’ requires following a set of very low-probability nodes on the disease-progress diagram. It’s very unlikely: in fact in this case it’s overwhelmingly unlikely.

    Dying of COVID19 is actually the least likely outcome, even for an obese, orange 75 year old. (If Trump was in a retirement home, the odds would leap immediately… but he’s not).

    Don’t get me wrong: I would dance my happiest happy-little-dance if SARS-nCoV2 swept through the global political class like the plague, and wiped them all out in one fell swoop. But that’s extraordinarily unlikely.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin, Liza
    • Replies: @AndrewR
  108. @Daniel Chieh

    Some years ago, a friend of mine had a brief but passionate fling with a woman who turned out to be married. (They were both in the thirtysomething range.)

    The truth came as a bolt out of the blue. One lovely Sunday afternoon, they were lying in bed after a roll in the hay and she just suddenly blurted out that she couldn’t keep doing this, that she had to go back to her husband.

    My friend was totally floored. When he asked her why she wasn’t wearing a ring and why she’d never said anything about being married, she said, “You knew it all along. There’s no way you didn’t know.” Then she rushed out the door. She ignored all of his calls and texts, so after a few days he stopped trying.

    Then, about a week later, she cold-called him at two o’clock in the morning and bombarded him with a long, rambling monologue.

    She indicated that her main reason for cheating was revenge. She came home a day early from a business trip, wanting to surprise her husband. She walked in on him having sex with the person who had set them up on their first date … her brother.

    It was a shock, to put it mildly. She’d never suspected that either man was anything but 100% hetero.

    Her husband and her brother were both macho ex-jock types. They were old college teammates and still worked out together. They took frequent “fishing” trips on weekends. Their friendship seemed real and genuine, so she never questioned it.

    Her mother had died of cancer a few years earlier. The mother pushed the brother to marry his girlfriend before she died. He proposed and she accepted, but the wedding was cancelled after the girlfriend claimed he cheated on her with her best friend. (Both of them denied it.) The brother convinced his mother that the girlfriend was lying and the mother accepted that she would not get her dying wish. The brother promised her that, eventually, he would find a good woman and raise a family.

    The woman told my friend that she’d just had a long conversation with her husband and her brother. The two men admitted that they’d been sleeping together all the years they’d known each other and told her flatly that they weren’t going to stop now. Her husband admitted that the main reason he got married was to appease his wealthy conservative parents, who were in total ignorance of his real nature. He told her that, if she filed for divorce, his family would make her life miserable and she would not receive a single penny. He hinted that if she revealed the truth about his sexuality, he might very well be disinherited, and both of them would lose. He suggested that the best course of action for all parties involved was to continue with the marriage, even if only as a convenient sham. She reluctantly agreed.

    The woman admitted to my friend that the main reason she married her husband (besides the fact that he was tall and handsome) was because he stood to inherit quite a bit of money. She claimed that, at one point, she’d even tried to get pregnant, but evidently he was sterile.

    She hinted around that she was open to the idea of continuing her relationship with my friend.

    Well … my friend did continue the relationship for a while, and then they had a really nasty argument, and then they broke up for good.

    But anyway…

  109. My take is that he had it earlier this year, which is why he did a course of HCQ and has been so confidently sans mask recently. This is a great way to get out of debates clearly rigged against him, and his speedy recovery and can-do attitude will lead to a huuuuuge victory over Harris/Biden.

    • Disagree: Travis
  110. @Achmed E. Newman

    90% of the freakin’ country is innumerate, Dmitry. That’s like 19 in 20 or something.

    This is a joke, right?

    … note that 3/4 of college kids are wearing masks out in the bright sunshine….

    Yes, that is disturbing and amusing at the same time.

    It is real, and it is culling the weakest among us, but for most it is nothing more than the common cold.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  111. utu says:
    @notsaying

    “Where did this theory come from? ” – China

    • Agree: notsaying
    • Replies: @polistra
  112. @Twinkie

    Pence vs. Harris?

    Pence would be seen as more authentic than flip-floppy poll-tested Harris, even by most who disagree with his positions, and voters might want that after the clown show. He also has executive and White House experience and in the immediate wake of a crisis as shocking as the death of both Presidential candidates, that would be a reassurance to uncertain voters.

    Some churchgoing blacks like Pence personally for his religious faith and moral rectitude and that would dampen the anti-GOP vote a bit compared to Trump- important in southern swing states. And of course, Pence is from the midwest so that would be a significant advantage in recreating the 2016 Electoral College victory.

    Pence, narrowly, with an Electoral College win.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    , @John Johnson
  113. Ed says:
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    I wish people would get it through their heads, masks do not protect you much from getting the virus. They limit your chances of spreading it to other people. If you wear a masks yet mostly everyone around you is not, you can get infected.

    The virus is going to spread as it travels through the air, there’s not much to be done about it.

    • Disagree: Father Coughlin
  114. @Steve Sailer

    Politically, apparently pretty well.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  115. • Replies: @RW
  116. Ed says:
    @PiltdownMan

    I don’t know about that. Two weeks off the campaign trail during the final month, while you’re behind in the polls doesn’t seem like a good thing. Thankfully Biden will be shut in for about half the time and won’t be campaigning much either.

    Come to think of it 2 weeks of limited Trump might actually be a good thing for him.

  117. @Clyde

    “I sneezed a few times.”

    Comedy gold. The media won’t be able to sleep while trying to spin it away.

  118. Time to build The Golden Throne!

  119. What is the big deal? After Eisenhower’s heart attack in 1955, Nixon jockeyed forward thinking that he would be next in line for the presidential nomination.

    The prospect appalled many. Asked what the Republicans would do should Eisenhower die, party chairman Leonard Hall replied with black humour: ” We would run him anyway. There is nothing in the Constitution that says the President must be alive”.

    Cheers-

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    , @Wielgus
  120. @Daniel Chieh

    That article is complete clickbait. The writer is a gay man, so while hideous its not at all surprising. As someone said, if women had sex drives like men, STI rates for both sexes would be off the charts.

    Back on topic, I see Rachel Maddow is taking the high ground and praying for Trump, I assume not for his demise like most of her colleagues.

    In the UK, an MP who called for Dominic Cummings’ resignation after he and his poorly wife drove their kids in a car 250 miles to the in-laws during lockdown, herself actually tested positive then took a 400-mile train journey.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/02/snp-mp-margaret-ferrier-faces-calls-to-resign-for-flouting-covid-rules

  121. polistra says:
    @utu

    Godflee Lobelt say theory is the science facts!!

    • LOL: Redneck farmer
  122. Anon[395] • Disclaimer says:

    So what do y’all think now? Does Biden win for sure?

    Honestly, this seems like a major Secret Service fail. Heads should roll

  123. @Anon

    “this seems like a major Secret Service fail”

    Only if you think the Dems did it deliberately. Like Boris before him, Trump meets a lot of people and doesn’t wear a mask.

    • Replies: @Anon
  124. Pericles says:
    @GreatSocialist

    Congratulations, you have attained the Agree/Disagree/LOL/Troll quadrifecta — we don’t see that very often. You have my recommendation for a gold box.

  125. @Dmitry

    see their leader recovering from coronavirus = see their leader entirely unaffected

  126. @Ali Choudhury

    Its “2+ comorbidities”, not “do you even lift, bro”

  127. @Lockean Proviso

    the death of both Presidential candidates

    An eventuality devoutly to be desired!! Now you’ve got me hoping!

  128. @Dave Pinsen

    Despite what you may hear, Britain isn’t as demographically pozzed as the USA is….yet. We had a big head start.

  129. Pericles says:
    @danand

    “Best wishes from Wuhan!”

  130. @notsaying

    Masks aren’t to keep you from catching the virus, they’re to keep you from spreading the virus. The concept is the cloth barrier reduces the radius of the infectious mucus you cough or sneeze out when you meander around among healthy people instead of staying at home, where you belong. QED, they help, but not a lot.

    Actually, what masks are really for is to keep a surgeon from exhaling too many bacteria into the large open wound he’s just cut into someone.

    We could all wear biohazard suits. After a year, we wouldn’t have functional immune systems.

    • Agree: bomag
    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Mr. Anon
  131. Wielgus says:
    @Altai

    I have hypertension, and to me Trump looks like the type more likely to have it (overweight/obese, and a florid complexion, a sign the blood is really pumping away).

    • Replies: @res
  132. TTSSYF says:
    @Anon

    Yes, the Hidin’/Embarris ticket is a nightmare.

  133. LondonBob says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Doing incredibly badly, the unending covid restrictions has seen his personal ratings and government approval slump. As his personality suggests he is very good at winning elections, not very good at governing. Besides he is very much liberal, so never was really up to solving the problems that ail us, people project a populist persona on him that he never has had. Once Brexit is done it is inevitable things will go wrong.

    • Replies: @bomag
  134. @Tor597

    The cope is strong with you.

    You’re Chinese. You don’t even know what that word means, do you? It’s a word that gay Millennials use. Don’t feel bad, as I don’t know what it means either.

    • Replies: @Alexander Turok
    , @Tor597
  135. black sea says:
    @Stan Adams

    and then they had a really nasty argument

    Who could have seen that coming?

    • LOL: bomag
  136. TTSSYF says:
    @Mike1

    From his appearance during the debate the other night, he looks like he’s lost weight. He’s never smoked or consumed alcohol. He stands a very good chance of sailing right through this…assuming the diagnosis is even true.

  137. TTSSYF says:
    @DextersLabRat

    He’s not “very fat” nor, in the words of the 80-year-old Pelosi, is he “morbidly obese.” In fact, he looks like he’s lost weight recently. No doubt in preparation for looking better at the debates and campaigning.

    • Replies: @DextersLabRat
  138. @Stan Adams

    I somehow lack sympathy for anyone involved.

    • Agree: Liza
    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  139. @notsaying

    They infected him, he didn’t ‘get it’.

  140. JimB says:
    @Kaz

    Why would you need a plan to infect Trump? He’s been acting like covid is nothing but a mild cold.

    Which it is.

  141. JimB says:

    So long as Trump feels fine he should continue campaigning. Keep going to battleground states. Keep holding rallies. Both the test and the virus are bullshit. Ignore Democrat rules about quarantining invented to blow up his campaign.

    • Agree: Je Suis Omar Mateen
  142. RW says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Yes, more Trump fakery is totally possible. And recall that Boris Johnson’s popularity increased while he was sick, with many feeling a patriotic need to rally around him and the nation in a difficult time.

  143. @The Alarmist

    Right.

    On the 2nd part, I will write a couple of posts today or tomorrow on my site with my recent observations of the silliness – some is heartening but most just makes me think I live in a nation of hyper-obedient retards.

  144. @Stan Adams

    Have you thought about distributing your treatment of this soap opera to Hollywood, Stan? Steve Sailer’s brother went to elementary school with a couple of guys …

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  145. Anon[146] • Disclaimer says:
    @DextersLabRat

    The US has probably passed the tipping point for civil war. It’s just a matter of when it happens.

    Miserable country, trapped by its rigid constitution in a hellish death-embrace between left-wing loons and right-wing death cultists, and armed to the teeth.

    What was the tipping point? Facebook and the internet in general, negating the primary strategic advantage of being protected by two oceans? The collapse of the Soviet Union leading to free market fundamentalism (including open borders) ripping up the fabric of the nation? Iraq? 9/11? Mass shootings? Roe v Wade, Supreme Court wars and religious lunacy?

  146. Anonymous[248] • Disclaimer says:

    Amy Coney Barrett was recently around Trump without a mask. If she caught it will a confirmation happen via Zoom? Or will it stall it?

  147. fnn says:
    @anonymous

    IIRC, his fans were mainly Hindus and Chinese.

  148. @R.G. Camara

    word on the street is that this is how he got the virus:
    melania was about to jam the strap-on up trump’s nether regions, as per their nightly ritual, but just before she did that, hope hicks licked the tip of the strap-on…and there ya go…many a slip betwixt the cup and the lip, as they say

    • Troll: Buffalo Joe
  149. anonymous[238] • Disclaimer says:

    The sinister Deep State!

  150. Anon[314] • Disclaimer says:

    The odds that he’ll die are pretty low. The odds that he’ll have a Boris Johnson outcome- nasty case and hospitalized- are higher but still significantly lower than 50%. A milder case, which is the most probable outcome, may well help him politically. On balance, this may actually be a good thing for him. Anything’s possible, though.

  151. Thirdtwin says:

    Forget the whining about chaos and the kill switch on the mic; Biden got his “One and Done” debate. He’ll still lose the election, though.

  152. The chortling will make life even more unbearable than it already is in 2020.

    But the comeback should be, “it’s not surprising that heads of state get Covid at a higher rate. They are in contact with a constant stream of people who are heavy travelers and from all four corners of the globe. Even with observing all precautions, all you have to do is slip up once.”

    On the debate, Trump is getting beat up of course at the water cooler. All you have to say is:

    “Go on the Internet right now and show me one positive story from a mainstream media source about Trump in the last four years. That’s why, when he has a chance to talk directly to the American people, he’s not gonna let himself be interfered with by a moderator. Especially one who’s asking him the same ‘When did you stop beating your wife?’ questions that he asked him in the debate in 2016.”.

  153. @Menes

    In my neck of the woods you either love Trump or not voting. Then there are the good Democrats who actually dislike Harris more than they did Clinton. Biden was just the acceptable pill to swallow for their vote. Basically nothing is going to change if Trump stays upright, which he likely should minus sabotage.

  154. The President and First Lady will be fine since “the covid” has proven to be nothing more than a mild flu for most people…. the international hysterical reaction to this hoax needs to end.

  155. Anon7 says:
    @Anonymous

    “3. In any cases, we get to see the spectacle of the Left loudly rooting for the death of POTUS.”

    So, what will my neighbors do with their “BYE DON” signs? Leave them or put them in the garage for a while?

  156. Seneca44 says:
    @Kronos

    Trivial point:

    People who actually have the disease are isolated for only 10 days. Somewhat unfairly, their household contacts have to be quarantined for 14 days because of the incubation period of the virus. The PCR test will be positive because of persistent shedding of non infectious viral particles for about a month.

    • Thanks: Kronos
  157. Spud Boy says:

    I think Trump will pull through this fine.

    He doesn’t need further rallies. Voters have already made up their minds and I don’t see GOP turnout diminished if Trump stays home for two weeks.

    Look for the media to speculate that the virus has damaged his heart or some other internal organs…

  158. Travis says:
    @Polynikes

    good point. Hopefully he has been taking vitamin D. I suppose he is back on the hydroxychloroquine and taking zinc, so he should recover quickly. Maybe he is also using the nicotine patch, Nicotine actually works better than HCQ in preventing COVID complications.

  159. @Dmitry

    Here is the list of world leaders testing positive. Interesting that it’s mostly all people that )ews hate. Trudeau didnt get it… but his wife did.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/trump-joins-club-world-leaders-diagnosed-coronavirus-n1241774

  160. @Kronos

    After surviving a strict regimen of blow and crack and hookers, working for murderous oligarchs, knocking up strippers, and banging his dead brother’s wife, it does appear that Hunter Biden is indestructible.

    • Replies: @Kronos
  161. @Bardon Kaldian

    Yes,this is rather the unhappy crowd – fit for the polished miseries of a Patricia Highsmith/ Tom Ripley novel.

  162. @Ed

    Well ackshually… Just the opposite. Anesthesiologist tests masks and concludes: “there is absolutely nothing that any of these masks do to protect YOU from ME” and 99% of all masks commonly worn “dont do anything in either direction”.

  163. @jamie b.

    He’s talked several times about friends and associates that died from it. So, no.

    • Replies: @jamie b.
  164. Corn says:
    @Wilkey

    OTOH, if the virus takes Trump I’m not sure that having Mike Pence at the top of the ticket would be a bad thing…

    I don’t trust Pence not to cuck hard on immigration.

    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
  165. @Mr. Anon

    That’s taking a playbook from the poofs who wanted nicer sounding diagnosis than the aids so say “no they don’t have aids they have hiv.” Same difference.

  166. Snowgrass says: • Website
    @danand

    Ugh, never, never, NEVER, utter those 2 words in the same sentence.

  167. Corn says:
    @RichardTaylor

    I saw articles on The Gateway Pundit in the last couple weeks. One stated what you just said…. only 9-10,000 deaths without co-morbidities. The other stated that American jurisdictions are counting COVID deaths differently than the rest of the world. IIRC we call anyone who dies COVID positive a COVID death, in Europe you’re only a COVID death if you die of COVID or pneumonia contracted while having the virus. Gateway said if we counted deaths like this then we’ve had 86000 deaths, not the 200,000+ liberals are running with.

    COVID is not a hoax, but it really is just a bad flu fatality wise.

    • Replies: @res
  168. Anon7 says:

    Just waded through the first few hundred responses to Trump’s tweet on testing positive. About 2/3 were sarcastic “f**k you” tweets from elated Leftists. Classy, as expected.

  169. jb says:
    @danand

    If it turns out to be a mild case that lasts no more than two weeks it could help him!

  170. @Anon

    I remember Ted Rall (in one of his more lucid moments) quipping if Dems could not decide between the dragon lady and Blackula they should nominate Condi Rice 😀
    Next time this won´t be intersectional enough – black, jewish, lesbian and preferrably quadriplegic at minimum (think Whoopi Goldberg) – and you´ll yearn for the good old days of 2020.

  171. Wilkey says:
    @Polynikes

    Pence would be an escape pod from all the craziness. People would be like “Oh, there’s a sane person running now, and someone who isn’t almost 80-years-old.” He could probably even help in a few Senate races.

    Honestly, I was hoping for some medical episode that would harm Trump just enough to take him out of the race this year (but that, of course, he’d completely recover from – after the election). It’s still unlikely, but maybe…

  172. I was listening the local radio station, and the idiot hosts were fearful that Trump would recover, and thus prove Covid is not as serious as is being claimed.

    Can anyone imagine being this twisted that you are praying that a (supposedly) lethal virus is not a hoax?

  173. If he dies, can they swap in Tucker Carlson for him?

    • Replies: @Muggles
  174. @Ed

    The cloth masks don’t provide much protection to other people. I had to wear one for the first time in months the other day to go into a hardware store in the city. Used one of the complimentary disposable masks with the bands that go around the ears.

    A) I could feel my breath whooshing out the edges of my mask.
    B) My glasses fogged a little.

    Fog on the glasses is positive proof that aerosol drops full of sweet, sweet COVID are streaming out past the mask.

    Useless.

  175. @Mr. Anon

    Its my understanding that COVID-19 and SARS-COV-2 are the same thing, its a confusing nomenclature for sure but COVID 19 is the sexy name that is used to describe this disease that was identified first in 2019.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  176. Gene Su says:
    @danand

    The noose finally tightens. Trump better be careful of everything he eats and drinks. I wouldn’t be surprised if the White House “physician” plants some poison in his food or drink.

  177. This comment comes late already in a busy thread, due to the sensationalist nature of the story.

    Donald and Melania will be fine, of course, because 99.99999999999999% or whatever of normal, healthy people who “test positive” are fine and come out fine.

    What will be fun to see is the reaction when this becomes obvious in about two weeks. So much has been built upon the fear, the terror, “the horror” of this latest boogyman, that it will be fun when the most famous fat man in his seventies continues to live and work normally while still having this terrible monster in his body!

    • Agree: BenKenobi
    • Replies: @Jack D
  178. @Anon

    So what do y’all think now? Does Biden win for sure?

    Yes.

    1 It takes “Biden is too sick to govern” off the table,
    2 gives Biden an excuse to stay in his bunker and not expose his mental and physical frailties and
    3 strengthens the meme that GOP were too cavalier about the virus and therefore “they literally killed people”.

    It’s over, people. And the Predictit market this morning reflects that: Biden 63 cents, Trump 39 cents (Trump’s lowest ebb). Granted that a lot of gaslit liberals waste their own money on Predictit (I took their money in 2016, so I know).

    • Disagree: AnotherDad
  179. Perhaps Trump is pranking us. This will force Biden back into seclusion while Trump stays in the limelight boasting about how he is taking it very, very seriously but still on top of the situation. The entire news cycle will be focused on Trump and his outrageous daily pronouncements.

  180. @obwandiyag

    When are you returning to your Empire of Dust?

  181. Would this be too subtle?

    • Replies: @anon
  182. Jack D says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Masks do both. Especially if you are wearing a real N95 mask and not a rag over your face. They may not be 100% effective in stopping all incoming (or outgoing) droplets but they reduce the viral load.

    The way a mask works is not like a spaghetti sieve. Rather on a microscopic level it looks like a forest of trees and the droplets are like skiers going down a ski slope. If it is a dense forest, most of the skiers are going to go splat on one of the trees before they make it to the bottom of the slope. Air can flow in between the spaces of the trees.

    How seriously you become infected depends in part on how big of a whiff of virus you got in the first place. This is why some otherwise young and healthy doctors died in the early stages of the pandemic, before it was widely understood what was going on – they received massive doses of the virus from people in a highly infectious phase and it overwhelmed their immune system.

    Once the virus is inside of you it becomes a race between the virus reproducing exponentially and your immune system kicking in. Getting a big dose gives the virus a head start in the race – instead of 1, 2, 4, 8 it becomes 1024, 2048, 4096, 8192 – you get to big numbers much faster. Masks reduce the # of particles that you inhale – not 100% but up to 95% and this makes a big difference in how sick you get. A small # of virus particles may even be caught by your innate immune system (mucus membranes, etc.) and you don’t get infected at all.

  183. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Not with the chinese bat aids, though he has symptoms of degenerative brain disorders clearly.

    It will lead to thoughts of how feeble he is and ill suited to 4 years of contact with the public.

    Trump wins a sympathy play with women and fortitude play with men if he shakes it off and appears unaffected.

    Barron is ready to assume power now in any case.

  184. anon[383] • Disclaimer says:

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1099517/japan-coronavirus-patients-diamond-princess/

    About 80% of the cases on the Diamond Princess were either asymptomatic or mild. All the published data since has been more or less consistent.

    So I expect Trump to either be asymptomatic or have a mild, nohing burger case. 80% certain.

    The guy isn’t sick yet as far as I can tell.

    Am I wrong?

    This is just more drama involving a guy that eats it up. Expect him to ham it up.

  185. @Achmed E. Newman

    Joseph Sobran wrote in 1997 that:

    The concept of envy — the hatred of the superior — has dropped out of our moral vocabulary. The idea that white Christian civilization is hated more for its virtues than its sins doesn’t occur to us, because it’s not a nice idea. Western man towers over the rest of the world in ways so large as to be almost inexpressible. It’s Western exploration, science, and conquest that have revealed the world to itself. Other races feel like subjects of western power long after colonialism, imperialism and slavery have disappeared. The charge of racism puzzles whites who feel not hostility, but only baffled good will, because they don’t grasp what it really means: humiliation. The white man presents an image of superiority even when he isn’t conscious of it. Superiority excites envy. Destroying white civilization is the inmost desire of the league of designated victims we call “minorities.”

    About the anger at China over the virus, it is less because it originated there than because the Chinese did so much better a job with it.

  186. SF says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Trump is obese. That is not in his favor.

  187. @Menes

    Woodward’s book? That was what, like six “bombshells” ago?

  188. Trump recently visited a New York hospital upon the death of his brother.

  189. bomag says:
    @LondonBob

    Besides he is very much liberal…

    Agree, but he’s the most conservative we can expect from politicians today.

  190. Jack D says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    It’s not 99.99xxxxxxxxxxxxxx for Trump but it’s pretty high. There is almost zero chance of Melania dying of this. For someone of Trump’s age and relative vigor and given that he will receive the finest medical care possible, he has probably a 95% chance of coming out of this unscathed. That’s not a zero risk but it’s not hugely high either. The MSM this morning was already going thru the procedures for implementing the 25th Amendment and putting someone else’s name on the ballot. They weren’t talking about the funeral plans yet – I’ll give them that (but they are hoping). This is the same MSM that had RBG doing one handed pushups at the gym at a point where she had advanced terminal cancer. The delusion is strong in them. Covid is a bad disease but delusion is worse.

    By building up the idea that Covid is going to strike Trump down like a wrathful god, it’s just going to make Trump look stronger when he continues to look fine and makes video appearances until his quarantine is over. He will look like friggin’ Superman. We have been told that Covid is a deadly disease that kills 99 out of every 100 blacks or whatever it was that Joe said at the debate and yet Trump is going to beat it. The MSM is always shooting itself in its own foot because they can’t see past their delusions.

  191. @Jack D

    Rather on a microscopic level it looks like a forest of trees and the droplets are like skiers going down a ski slope. If it is a dense forest, most of the skiers are going to go splat on one of the trees before they make it to the bottom of the slope.

    As a skier who has done a lot of exactly that, off trail, I love your analogy.

    Skiers are human, of course, so we can think a little bit about the trees in front of us, the virgin powder show beneath us, and the slope itself. We are better than your dumb virus. We always get through (unless our name is Kennedy or Bono.)

    Good comment.

    — N95 Wearer (But one who believes this is all panic and political bullshit. As soon as it becomes legally and socially feasible, the mask comes off. Already I do not wash hands or bother to use anti-bacterial wipes. I WANT my body to have the opportunity to develop natural immunities, as it always has.)

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @jimbo
  192. the real test of hydroxychloroquine plus zinc.

  193. bomag says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Talking about their “relationships” is more fun for this crowd than the relationships themselves.

  194. anon[108] • Disclaimer says:

    The Seattle Times reported today that doctors think the antibodies treatment can help stave off Covid19 until the vaccine arrives. Maybe they’ll give him that, along with a steroid shot that lots of people are now getting.

    I wish the President and First Lady a speedy and full recovery!

  195. @Wilkey

    If that were to happen, it would really mean Pence vs. Harris, since she plans to push Biden out with the 25th Amendment and has already been caught mentioning the Harris Administration. Pence has executive experience as Governor of Indiana and is an honest, straight shooter. He would appoint constitutionalist judges and keep the economy growing. We could do worse, like under a Harris regime.

  196. @Jack D

    Yes. Dental technicians and others working in close proximity to other people’s exhalations should definitely wear N95s.

    But the notion that your N95 is what stands between you and the virus-miasma everywhere (which would also enter your tear ducts) is pretty hilarious.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  197. @Timur The Lame

    There actually was some lame but popular joke circa 1970 about a guy waking up from a 15-year coma — he immediately asks the nurse how Eisenhower is doing, learns that Ike has died, and replies, “Oh no, so Nixon is president!?”

  198. @wren

    Hillary + Obama + Kamala = Hobala Harris?

    What a profound fusion of fuckwittery that would be.

  199. J.Ross says:
    @DextersLabRat

    –rhetoric like this

    Actor Dom West talks about literally jumping for joy at the news of Trump’s test result. Many such cases.

  200. anon[412] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    90% of the freakin’ country is innumerate, Dmitry. That’s like 19 in 20 or something.

    LOL

  201. Trinity says:

    Oh lawd, have mercy, dey done got the Orange Man wit dat CoronaRona disease.

    IS THIS BULLSHIT GOING TO GET ANY MORE SCRIPTED?

    My gawd, relax people, Trump will be fine, but I don’t know if the country will. I guess the people who use these puppets are ready to replace Trump with that PATHETIC LOSER, Biden and racist witch Caramel Harris.

    Just part of the script for the sheeple to follow.

  202. Dan Smith says:

    My take: Trump has typical Covid illness. Mild symptoms leaving no residual. The thing speaks for itself. More people wake up to the faux disaster scenarios, drop their masks and re-elect Trump. Biden moves to memory care facility in 2021.

  203. Tor597 says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I am not Chinese old man, and of course I know what it means.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  204. @Jack D

    Masks do both. Especially if you are wearing a real N95 mask and not a rag over your face. They may not be 100% effective in stopping all incoming (or outgoing) droplets but they reduce the viral load.

    You’re misusing the term “viral load”.

    Viral load refers to the amount of virus in an infected person’s blood.

    Dont mind if after that first paragraph I skip the rest of your effort-post?

    https://www.news-medical.net/health/What-is-Viral-Load.aspx

    • Thanks: Coemgen
  205. @Jack D

    Once the virus is inside of you it becomes a race between the virus reproducing exponentially and your immune system kicking in. Getting a big dose gives the virus a head start in the race – instead of 1, 2, 4, 8 it becomes 1024, 2048, 4096, 8192 – you get to big numbers much faster.

    This is absolutely wrong and idiotic. I’m sure the many, many quants who populate this forum are going to love taking you to the woodshed on your obvious error here, so I’ll just let them handle it.

    I don’t want to steal their moment of triumph; they have so few of them.

    • Thanks: Coemgen
  206. Trinity says:

    So the incompetent boob known as Joe “I Am A Zionist” Biden won’t have to struggle through another debate now, and does this mean that dumb Caramel Harris won’t debate super shabbos goy, Mike Pence as well? Is this all a COHENcidence? I mean the timing of this is rather odd.

    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
  207. @Daniel Chieh

    How did Vice.com ever outbid the NYT Op-Ed section?

  208. Rich says:
    @Kaz

    And yet, not a single blm or antifa rioter caught the covid. Weird right? Maybe if Trump had knelt at the altar of the home invader who overdosed or the wanted felon who sexually assaulted a minor and tried to kidnap her kids, he’d be okay

  209. @Lockean Proviso

    Pence would do better than Trump with independents.

    The latest polls show that independents assume Trump will win.

    They just aren’t excited about Biden.

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
  210. @Jack D

    Agree.

    This is yet another nothingburger the left will try to exaggerate and it will backfire on them.

    This is actually a good thing because Trump will be fine and it will dissipate some of the stupid hysteria surrounding this over-hyped flu.

  211. Jack D says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    It was not my analogy. I stole it from a virologist that they had on TV the other day.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  212. Anon[269] • Disclaimer says:
    @Stan Adams

    Is your friend’s lover a liar?

    I don’t have a lot of false hopes for the current state of our morals, but this sounds improbable.. a gay’s novel: wealthy, very handsome jocks who hide from the oppressive family and for years love passionately.. in the US in the 21st century 🙄..

    Much like the blond frat boys that lusted after Althea Bernstein..

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  213. Rich says:
    @Jack D

    I’ve been working and taking public transportation in NYC since day 1 of the lockdown, no one is wearing N95 masks. They make it too difficult to breathe for most. My understanding of the N95 is that there are different types, medical vs commercial, and even the ones people are wearing aren’t capable of stopping the virus from getting through. That being said, the one advantage of wearing a mask is it helps lessen the stench of the massive numbers of homeless that have taken over the streets.

  214. Rich says:
    @Jack D

    I’ve been working and taking public transportation in NYC since day 1 of the lockdown, no one is wearing N95 masks. They make it too difficult to breathe for most. My understanding of the N95 is that there are different types, medical vs commercial, and even the ones people are wearing aren’t capable of stopping the virus from getting through. That being said, the one advantage of wearing a mask is it helps lessen the stench of the massive numbers of homeless that have taken over the streets.

  215. Sub says:
    @gcochran

    Greg still can’t let go of his hysteria. You can tell he’s an anthropologist and not a molecular biologist from this comment. PCR is an very finicky reaction, almost as finicky as ELISA.

    No one who has ever worked with these types of assays would treat them as being as reliable as something like a basic spectrometry or chemical assay, but in order for the boomer flu hysteria to stay viable, that is exactly what one must do.

  216. Wielgus says:
    @Timur The Lame

    Mark Van Doren reputedly said, in response to a rumour that Eisenhower had died: “How could they tell?”

  217. Obviously it’s a death sentence for anyone who is obese and in his seventies. Very Trumpy that Hope Hicks is being fingered by the MSM for giving The Donald the virus.

  218. jimbo says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I keep a dirty cloth mask in my pocket that I put on only when it is absolutely necessary (I don’t want to be one of those guys that puts a shop owner at the risk of the wrath of the Nazi Health Department) It comes off as soon as I walk outside. People who give me dirty looks when I’m walking down the sidewalk get dirty looks in return.

  219. @danand

    We need to take an over/under bet on how many different conspiracy theories are put forward on this thread.

    My guess–seventeen _different_ ones, most of which contradict each other!

  220. @PhysicistDave

    To the left it is not just politics–it is about hating your enemy, and killing them if possible.

    • Agree: Muggles
  221. res says:
    @Wielgus

    Trump’s BP is given as 121/79.
    https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trumps-annual-exam-finds-he-remains-healthy-despite-elevated-blood-pressure-obesity-1508528
    IMO emphasizing that in the headline as elevated is silly even if technically true given that the threshold is 120.

    I find that BP surprising given that the article also claims he is not taking any HBP medication.

    For those talking about Trump being obese, he is listed at 6′ 3″ and 244 pounds giving a BMI of 30.5. While that is technically obese, it is just over the threshold of 30.

  222. @Jack D

    LOL

    Good for you.

    I like your honesty, as always. Contrary to what some others have said here, your comments are always genuine, and I respect them, even when I disagree and find them frustrating.

    Thank you.

    • Agree: JMcG, Jim Don Bob
  223. MEH 0910 says:
    @Jack D

  224. MEH 0910 says:

    • Replies: @epebble
  225. @Menes

    Woodward’s book

    Which nobody read…try harder, troll

    • Agree: V. Hickel
  226. BenKenobi says:
    @res

    100 + patient age is a good guess for systolic blood pressure. 120/80 is pretty much ideal for a healthy young man, let alone an overweight man in his 70s.

  227. @GreatSocialist

    Later on, Trump would even withdraw from the WHO so WHO teams would not be able to trace the virus back to the USA n USAMRIID.

    The WHO was telling us to not wear masks all the way into April. Are they controlled by DRUMPF or not?

  228. @wren

    Big news this week is Covid’s now claimed to have killed 1 million people.

    World population — 7,815+ million people.

    In one year the Covid pandemic’s killed 1 out of 7,815 people.

    Think of how other pandemics must feel — they were far more successful, yet they received far less attention.

    • Replies: @Liza
    , @Jack D
  229. Charlie says:

    And then there’s this fellow…

    … died from COVID-19 on July 30, 2020, at the age of 74.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_Cain

  230. Charlie says:
    @Liza

    And then there’s this fellow…

    … died from COVID-19 on July 30, 2020, at the age of 74.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_Cain

  231. Jack D says:
    @MEH 0910

    Or, conversely, 1,019 out of every 1,020 blacks did NOT die of Covid this year. Each year approximately 1% of the population dies of SOMETHING. AFAIK, even Biden lacks the power to outlaw death.

    For black males between the age of 18 and 29, the leading cause of death is not Covid, it is gunshot wounds inflicted mainly by their brethren. And these are men cut down in what should be their prime productive years, not elderly people in nursing homes. What does Biden propose to do to reduce the #1 killer of young black males? We know already that the current Democrat policies have made this problem worse recently.

  232. Mr. Anon says:
    @Kratoklastes

    Yes, the confusion is deliberate on the part of the media, to inflate the numbers and stoke the panic they desire.

    The masks and social distancing are part of that too. They serve to keep people nervous and on-edge all the time. And to dehumanize people – to induce people to view their fellow man as nothing but a disease vector – a walking bio-hazard bag.

  233. @Anon

    Honestly, this seems like a major Secret Service fail. Heads should roll

    It’s always someone else’s fault. #DumbProlePresident

  234. Anon[395] • Disclaimer says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    “Like Boris before him, Trump meets a lot of people and doesn’t wear a mask.”

    I guess what I’m saying is that the Secret Service is charged with protecting the life of the president, and Covid has maybe a 10 percent chance of killing Trump. Understanding this risk and realizing that you don’t protect against it with site inspections, guns, ear pieces, and grappling skills should have been understood. Every president goes back and forth with the Secret Service, but the service should have pushed hard on limiting contacts with Trump and the first lady. There’s really no reason the press secretary needed to ever be in the same room as the president during a pandemic … before an election.

    Cops have an average IQ of 98 (white cops, at least). That’s not the sort of brains you need to realize that the situation has dramatically changed and you need to change your procedures. Are Secret Service cops? Or are they more FBI-like, with lawyer level IQs of 110 or 115 and above?

  235. Mr. Anon says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Actually, what masks are really for is to keep a surgeon from exhaling too many bacteria into the large open wound he’s just cut into someone.

    Actually, they may not even do that.

    Postoperative wound infections and surgical face masks: a controlled study.

    https://europepmc.org/article/med/1853618

    Although I can think of a reason why this study may not show what it purports to show – but even that suggests rethinking another medical practice.

    We could all wear biohazard suits. After a year, we wouldn’t have functional immune systems.

    Back before the ‘Rona, some medical researchers were concerned that the increasing prevalance of hand-sanitizers was creating strains of disinfectant-resistant microbes:

    https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2018/08/02/635017716/some-bacteria-are-becoming-more-tolerant-of-hand-sanitizers-study-finds

    But now, this is no longer a concern:

    https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2020/05/08/sanitizer-and-superbugs-should-you-be-worried-about-using-disinfectants/

    Like civil liberties, natural selection has been suspended for the duration of the plague.

  236. njguy73 says:
    @Stan Adams

    Guy comes home from work, finds his wife in bed with his best friend. He yells, “Larry, I can’t believe this!”

    “I have to, but you?”

    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
  237. anon[429] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    A good guess would be he will experience something between Bolsonaro and Johnson. Bolsonaro is 65 and Johnson is 56; but Johnson had a worse experience.

  238. J1234 says:
    @Polynikes

    Or could it be possible that Trump came up with the infection to avoid future debates? He didn’t do so well in the first one. No conspiracy here, I think. He has the disease, and will probably be OK.

    The conspiracy theory will be from the left declaring that Trump doesn’t possess sound judgement because he didn’t wear masks most of the time and attempted to open up the economy, but the POTUS is supposed to show some measure of inspirational courage during times of crisis, and that’s what he was doing with those actions. My guess is that he got the virus from one of the people who serves his food or maybe from one of his kids who was asymptomatic. Hopefully he won’t have a Boris Johnson level of difficulty with the disease. If he can stay largely healthy or asymptomatic, it could be a real plus for him as it would show him to be much healthier physically than Joe Biden.

    • Replies: @Anon
  239. anon[121] • Disclaimer says:
    @MEH 0910

    Lol @ Vox peddling their story.

    1 out of 1,000 is 0.001 also known as .1%. How many black people die of diabetes-induced kidney failure every month?

    Morons.

    The CDC stats make it clear that the leading cause of death for black men aged 18 – 35 is homicide; most likely killed by another black man aged 18 – 35.

    These people are stupid. Not just innumerate, but really, really stupid.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  240. peterike says:

    So with the thousands and thousands of people on Twitter wishing death on Trump, will even a single one get their account suspended? It’s an open violation of Twitter policy. I’m guessing, nope, not a single one.

  241. Thatgirl says:
    @John Johnson

    The modern left is truly unhinged and deranged.

    While most individual liberals and lefties have been driven nuts by Trump, the left” as an entity is – unfortunately – quite lucid. It knows exactly what it wants and how it plans on getting there.

  242. Anonymous[383] • Disclaimer says:
    @DextersLabRat

    A month from now he could be on a ventilator, what does the law say about a candidate in that condition running for the presidency?

  243. V. Hickel says:
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    I think the new Borat movie will be more damaging to him than the viroos. Wawawiwa!

  244. @res

    Thanks, Res. That is a GREAT reading if he’s not taking any medication at that age and being considerably overweight. Two things about BP readings:

    a) The “yellow zone” for hypertension was a systolic reading of 130 mmHg. I noted that it got changed on these Higi Stations (complicated, for the user, machines that do the same thing as the ones with 2 simple buttons and 3 little LED displays, except with 5 minutes asking for your information and whether you want to sign up and get emails and shit …) only about a couple of years ago when they also did a big software update.

    What is up with this? Is it to scare people into seeing the Doc sooner?

    b) These readings can change +/- 25% depending on whether the “patient” is relaxed or worried, just ate, just exercised, ate a bunch of celery (really lowers it), etc. This could have been the last of 10 readings, or it could have been taken on a good day.

    A range would have been more believable as “this is where he stands as far as hypertension”. If that 120/79 reading was an average, I’m impressed.

    • Replies: @res
  245. Anonymous[383] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    How is Boris Johnson doing?

    Not great, he doesn’t look like he has recovered fully from the virus and he is having trouble selling all the new restrictions.

    • Replies: @Anon
  246. @MEH 0910

    “The most remarkable thing about Biden’s statement? It was true.”

    I got a real laugh out of this. They couldn’t have found very many examples.

  247. Bill P says:
    @res

    There’s no way he’s 6’3″ barefoot. More like 6’1″.

    Yes, he’s fat, especially for his age. You should lose weight past middle age. However, BMI is optimized for average women. As you get taller it’s less accurate. For example, a 6’4″ man is considered obese at just over 245 lbs, while it’s 175 for a 5’4″ woman.

    245 is not that big for a man who is that tall. If he’s reasonably strong, it might be a trim weight. A 175lb, 5’4″ woman, on the other hand, is unquestionably fat.

    His BP is great for his age and size.

    • Replies: @Trinity
  248. @notsaying

    Hope Hicks could give me Covid.

    • Agree: Ron Mexico
    • Replies: @Pat Kittle
  249. Bill P says:

    BTW, anyone see Rick Moranis get sucker punched in NYC?

    🚨WANTED🚨for ASSAULT October 1, 2020 at 7:24 AM, on Central Park West in the vicinity of West 70 St Manhattan. @NYPD20PCT.Reward up to $2500👀Seen him? Know who he is?📞Call 1-800-577-TIPS or📲DM us!☎️Calls are CONFIDENTIAL! @YourCityYourCall @NYPDDetectives @nypdchiefofpatrol pic.twitter.com/s06yNPBUBk— NYPD Crime Stoppers (@NYPDTips) October 2, 2020

    I always think of him as “Gozer” from Ghostbusters. Not even Gozer deserves that.

  250. Trinity says:
    @Bill P

    I would say Donald Trump is a legit 6’3″ judging by photos of him taken with Mike Tyson back in the day, well at least he was 6’3″ when he was younger, probably has shrunk at his age. Agree that a 6’4″ 245lb man can be trim, Lennox Lewis was only an inch taller and weighed that much in fighting shape. A 5’4″ 175lb woman is pretty big no doubt.

    • Replies: @Bill P
    , @Anon
  251. JimDandy says:
    @MEH 0910

    Does dying “Due to the coronavirus” here mean dying “with the coronovirus”? Because if that’s the case it does not mean that 1 in 1,020 died due to coronavirus.

  252. @NJ Transit Commuter

    ” Will now become a Biden landslide”

    Okay so explain precisely how this translates into a Biden “landslide”. So you are inferring that millions of DT voters will now think : Yeah this is a reason to change my vote to the senile pervert who has leeched off of the US tax slaves for forty-plus years.

    And for your info : The great majority of Americans simply hate the mask.

    You are a typical leftist idiot and your handle : “NY Transit commuter” explains it all : Fuck you.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro jazz artist.

  253. @Liza

    Liza, chris cuomo had it and did his show from his house. Hmmmm?

  254. @Wilkey

    ” Harm Trump just enough”

    You are a vile piece of shit.

    AJM

    • Agree: GeneralRipper
    • Troll: HammerJack
    • Replies: @GeneralRipper
  255. @NJ Transit Commuter

    NJ, andrew cuomo says Trump had the worst plan for Covid, so says the governor of the state with the most Covid deaths. Easy to criticize in a one party state and a brother with a far left “news” show.

    • Agree: Hibernian
  256. @Daniel Chieh

    Biden is already in quarantine in da basement. Bidness as usual.

  257. Mr. Anon says:
    @Linden Arden

    SARS-COV-2 is the designation of the virus. COVID-19 is the designation of the disease. You can have the virus without having the disease. You, me, all of us, are always walking around with various pathogens in are system at some time or another. Most of the time, our immune system suppresses them before they are able to multiply in large numbers and cause disease.

  258. Bill P says:
    @Trinity

    Tyson is only 5’10”, and trump is only a few inches taller than him; he doesn’t tower over him.
    Also note that he is about exactly the same height as Barack Obama, who is 6’1″.

    I don’t think it matters, but Trump does have a habit of talking himself up. I think 6’1″ is a fine height.

    • Replies: @res
  259. @Achmed E. Newman

    Stan Adams has interesting stories overall.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Stan Adams
  260. El Dato says:
    @danand

    ‘President Pelosi’: As Trump gets Covid-19, House speaker says continuity of government plans ‘ongoing’ with MILITARY

    Next in line after Vice President Mike Pence to succeed the president – as speaker of the house – Pelosi was asked on Friday in an MSNBC interview about Trump’s “very serious health threat” and whether the White House has contacted her about the continuity of government.

    “No, they haven’t,” she said, adding, “That is ongoing with the military and some officials in the government…Let us all pray for the president’s health, thank God the Vice President has tested negatively.”

    What’s with MUH MILITARY fetishism? Does she have a dildo with “US ARMY” written on it in her bedroom? Is it a dog whistle to antifa to know when to stop? What’s she even doing talking to “the military” (whoever that actually is)?

  261. anon[322] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alexander Turok

    Would this be too subtle?

    Not to a socially incompetent autist. Why do you ask?

  262. @DextersLabRat

    Trump is not “very fat.” He’s 6′ 3″ / 245 lbs… But apparently your head is!

    • Replies: @DextersLabRat
  263. Progs have to make a tough decision– was Trump lying all along, or is he lying right now?

    Michael Moore: It’s Possible Trump ‘Lying About Having COVID-19’ to ‘Gain Sympathy’

    It’s like the contradictory arguments of the old anti-Communists– “They’re taking over the world!!” “Ha! They can’t even run a vegetable stand!” Then a former Democrat and movie star came along to point out if they couldn’t run a vegetable stand, they were unlikely to take over the world. SDI = “Soviets destroyed by inconsistencies.”

    I hope Trump isn’t forced to go basement. It’s unlikely he spread the bug in America’s narrowest sizable city*, windy Duluth, this week, but in the toasty debate studios?

    *Not counting those on barrier islands. That’s cheating!

    • Replies: @El Dato
  264. @Stan Adams

    She walked in on him having sex with the person who had set them up on their first date … her brother.

    Why can’t brothers marry, now that other same-sex unions are not only allowed, but considered a constitutional right? The rationale for the ban is gone.

    Same-sex incest is impossible in Iowa. The law defines it as a “sex act”, which requires both sexes. Wisconsin’s explains in disgusting detail how it is possible there. Minnesota’s is ambiguous. Check your own state’s (or province’s or country’s) code books on this.

  265. guest007 says:
    @Anonymous

    Does anyone think that President Trump would bother to read and sign the informed consent form for an experimental MAB therapy? President Trump is a man too lazy to read the scroll at the bottom of Fox News.

  266. Jack D says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    (which would also enter your tear ducts)

    They have found that people who wear glasses get infected less often (presumably for this reason).

    Now we are back to magic where N95s work for medical personnel but not for anyone else.

  267. “the covid” has proven to be nothing more than a mild flu for most people

    A small minority of completely silent physicians probably have facts but the rest of us have nothing but statistically insignificant sample sizes and anecdotal data. You may have mine:

    I know 3 cases personally. N=3. It was not mild; it was really really nasty but all recovered very quickly, back to 100% in less than ten days.

    • Replies: @Corn
  268. @Reg Cæsar

    Reg, Willie Brown says she wasn’t bad ass. Hit the space bar, change the meaning.

  269. Polynikes says:
    @Wilkey

    And Pence would lose all the grassroots support Trump has with the white working class. This blog has been talking about the political realignment for a decade. There’s no going back. Pence is a slightly more appealing Romney.

  270. @Jack D

    Appearantly you haven’t read the CDC’s own study and recommendations on masks for influenza… A lot of words make you sound like you know what you’re talking about, but you don’t.
    They do not recommend masks use by the general public for influenza because THEY DON’T WORK!
    Or the WHO’s recommendation either…

    “Healthy people should not be wearing masks unless caring for the sick.”
    But of course they work for this, “NOVEL”, magical, COVID 19 virus right?

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/professionals/infectioncontrol/maskguidance.htm

    • Replies: @Jack D
  271. @Stan Adams

    She walked in on him having sex with the person who had set them up on their first date … her brother.

    Why can’t brothers marry, now that other same-sex unions are not only allowed, but considered a constitutional right? The rationale for the ban is gone.

    Same-sex incest is impossible in Iowa. The law defines it as a “sex act”, which requires both sexes. Wisconsin’s explains in disgusting detail how it is possible there. Minnesota’s is ambiguous. Check your own state’s (or province’s or country’s) code books on this.

    Why is this woman in prison?

    A mother married her son and then her daughter, who just pleaded guilty to incest, officials say

  272. @Dago Shoes

    Do you wish him ill (pun intended)?

    It’s not a pun, it’s the literal meaning and original usage of the term.

  273. Aardvark says:
    @Anonymous

    If anyone tests positive, I tend to disregard it.
    The accuracy rate of these tests has been nothing less than abysmal.
    I should have captured the link of the video where someone proved definitively that the PCR test is looking for the DNA sequence that matches human gene #8. Pretty much anyone would test positive for that.

  274. El Dato says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Progs do not need to make tough decision. They are Good while everyone around is evil and needs to be removed from premises ASAP, especially if they are not afraid of experts or don’t believe CNN.

    Speaking of which, Russia is MASSIVELY HELPING TRUMP, SMARTER AND STRONGER THAN IN 2016. TRUMP WILL HAVE TO RELY ON HIS SUBSITUTES, I.E. PUTIN OPERATIVES AND NATASCHAS, WHILE CURATING HIS COW RONA (take it away, Senator Chris Murphy):

    Meanwhile, good advice:

  275. res says:
    @Corn

    Thanks. Here is the 86,000 article.
    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/09/huge-cdc-faucis-niaid-add-non-pneumonia-deaths-us-covid-19-totals-unlike-countries-deaths-removed-us-86000-covid-19-deaths/

    It looks like they are basing that on the “Deaths involving COVID-19 and Pneumonia, excluding Influenza (U07.1 and J12.0–J18.9)3” column at this page. They also have data by state.
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

    Note that this is subtly different from your (my emphasis):

    in Europe you’re only a COVID death if you die of COVID or pneumonia contracted while having the virus.

    I do think there is some overcount in the COVID-19 death totals, and this might give some idea of the magnitude, but I don’t think it is valid to quote that 86,000 number as the “true number of COVID-19 deaths.”

    Another interesting point is that there have been 111,000 deaths so far this year from pneumonia without influenza or COVID-19. In 2018 there were a TOTAL of 59.1k pneumonia and infleunzea deaths and that was considered a typical year.
    https://www.livestories.com/statistics/us-influenza-flu-pneumonia-deaths-mortality

    Where are all of those extra pneumonia deaths coming from?

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
  276. @Alexander Turok

    I’m not angry at China about the virus, Mr. Turok. I don’t think many people do, fun designation notwithstanding. (Do you think I use “Kung Flu” because I’m mad at the Chinese? It’s just my favorite name for it, though I can’t claim that I made it up.)

    That’s just it, though. It sounds like they “did a better job”, but the question is if we should follow in the Totalitarian steps taken, literally locking people in their apartment buildings for a week or two, and now the Health Score business that I described to Altai to do a “better job” against a virus that is no kind of Black Plague 2.0.

    I don’t at all think that anyone should feel bad about not following in the footsteps of the Chinese in this regard. Just like with 9/11 when I’d rather 20 terrorists (if you believe the official story) should have been taken care of by armed citizens on-board the airplanes, per US Constitution, I would MUCH RATHER have heard “nope, sorry, we can’t take steps like this. It’s not the government’s job.” Of course, the Constitution has been almost figuratively shredded, so unfortunately you won’t hear much of that talk.

  277. El Dato says:

    Holy damn

    Somebody should shop Biden Holograms into those caviar liberal social distancing showcase photos.

    Recently on a Star Destroyer:

  278. @Tor597

    You never pasted in a youtube vid per my instructions, even though you kept pointing it out. Youtube will not load in China. I heard no comment back from that, then looked up your comments and noted that you make none during the wee hours in the morning China-time. OK, maybe you are a Western ex-pat of some sort. Your English is fine, no matter how anti-American the writings.

    That doesn’t change the word “cope” from being in most common usage by gay Millennials.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    , @Tor597
  279. jamie b. says:
    @Che Blutarsky

    So… if he didn’t have “friends and associates (who) died from it,” it would be entirely likely that he’d say “nobody knew”?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law

  280. Anon[367] • Disclaimer says:
    @Trinity

    If the political left, Pelosi, Schumer, Warren, Clinton, Cuomo, etc.etc.etc. got incapacitated for a while, say 6 months, instead of President Trump, the U.S. would literally flourish. A golden age would result.

  281. @TTSSYF

    He is absolutely very fat but you Americans have such a ludicrous obesity issue in your country that you’ve lost all ability to tell what a normal human is supposed to look like. Even if he has lost a ton of weight, the long-term effects of being fat for decades at that age are still present in his body and present a significant comorbidity for COVID.

    It always amazes me that the kind of people who go on this website have no issue mentioning the unspeakable truths about blacks, Jews, etc but when it comes to fatties it’s like they get all offended and worked up when someone points out the human body is not supposed to carry an extra 100lbs of lard.

    • Replies: @newrouter
    , @TTSSYF
  282. res says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    That is a GREAT reading if he’s not taking any medication at that age and being considerably overweight.

    Agreed. It is such a good reading (and so close to exactly 120/80) that it makes me a bit skeptical either about the reading or the medication status.

    What is up with this? Is it to scare people into seeing the Doc sooner?

    I think that and selling more HBP meds. With the intent of saving more lives. Studies like this are what drove the change to the 120 threshold for SBP.
    https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/landmark-nih-study-shows-intensive-blood-pressure-management-may-save-lives

    FWIW, I think there should be more effort trying solutions like this before they break out the medications.

    TLDR: improve your dietary ratio of potassium and sodium.

  283. res says:
    @Bill P

    Here is a photo. I can’t tell if Obama has a small heel on his shoe or not, but certainly not 2″.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  284. @Wilkey

    What’s the angle to play here? If Trump sails through with few or no ill effects it shows the public that the virus isn’t really all that bad and/or that Trump is in better shape than Biden and/or that hydroxychloroquine works, just like he’s always said.

    Trump’s always been a wild ride and he’s really upped the ante here. Given how tight this is, i’d say it’s now all riding on how Trump personally handles the virus.

    If Trump sails through this in a week or so, a bunch of lines write themselves:

    — You can’t do this job without meeting people, listening to people, talking to people. You must be a leader. You can’t do this job cowering in your basement afraid of getting sick.

    — It was for me. But it might well kill and old, doddering guy in declining health like Joe. We need to protect our seniors like Joe … but otherwise get the nation moving again.

    — I’m back and ready to lead America back. Make America Great Again–greater than ever before.

    — How did i beat it? Took hydroxychloroquine and zinc–cheap and effective. Democrats hate that it works, because i mentioned it, because their big pharma contributors don’t make money and because they love power–love locking you down and telling you what to do.

    — I know the Democrats were hoping and praying i would die. God is not on their side, with this.

    • Agree: BenKenobi
    • Replies: @epebble
    , @Bill P
    , @CCZ
  285. Trump will recover with the help of HCQ or Ivermectin.

    He will then offer to donate blood plasma to help all those liberals out there causing heads to explode.

    Pity he can’t offer the Republicans a backbone. Maybe he should get the CDC to work on cloning his backbone!

  286. AndrewR says:
    @Kratoklastes

    My dad’s best friend was four years Trump’s junior and no more overweight than Trump and COVID killed him in April. Same age and weight as my neighbor who also died in April of COVID. So I would definitely say there is a “non-trivial” chance it fells Trump.

  287. AndrewR says:
    @Anon

    People get disowned by their families to this day for having the gay, and Stan said “some years ago.” For all we know, this happened in the ’80s. Public attitudes on homosexuality have seen a sea change over the last decade or three.

  288. Anon[269] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    He did catch it at the worst possible time, though. Very virulent and when the Chinese protocols were still used (ventilators & no anti-inflammatories), treatment is much better now. Doctors today use a wide array of medicines, monitor bloodwork extensively, use Oxymeters/oxygen concentrator, etc.

  289. @PhysicistDave

    Physicist, you must have minored in writing at college, Gold Border Comment.

    • Thanks: PhysicistDave
  290. @res

    Where are all of those extra pneumonia deaths coming from?

    Probably bacterial and fungal infections brought on by too much mask wearing.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anon
  291. The odds are that Trump recovers in 2 weeks. If he is able to debate Biden then people will wonder how Biden would survive being sick with the Wahu Flu. Biden also has to be careful attacking Trump while he recovers.

    Should benefit Trump in the election. People like a strong leader. After he recovers it may embolden Trump to do more rallies going into the election. There is more upside to this than downside risks

    • Replies: @Coemgen
  292. Anon7 says:
    @RichardTaylor

    Trump now transferred to Walter Reed hospital; FLOTUS still at White House residence.

  293. vinteuil says:
    @Lot

    I’m Ready for Pence!

    So you’re ready for a total nothing who doesn’t differ, in any way that matters, from Jeb Bush, or Mitt Romney, or any of the other useless tools of Conservative.inc

  294. Hibernian says:
    @anon

    The overall rate is about 2/3 of 0.1%.

  295. OTOC (off-topic, off-color)– If you’re tired of septuagenarian sexcapades or accusations thereof, take note that this sort of thing will not die out with them:

    EXCLUSIVE: North Carolina Democrat Senate Candidate’s Sext Messages With Veteran’s Wife

    Sex may be private business, but marriage is not. We make a promise to the congregation and to the state as well as to our spouse.

  296. Hibernian says:
    @res

    Do you think maybe the two FLOTUSs are standing apart from their husbands so as to keep maximum distance from each other?

  297. @Daniel Chieh

    Thanks. 😀

    I’m pathologically boring in real life, so I live vicariously through the anecdotes of my screwed-up relatives, friends, and associates.

    Fortunately, I’m surrounded by psychological train-wrecks.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
  298. Anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Non-rhetorical question: If Biden tested “positive for COVID” (as far as that is even medically meaningful, since other inanimate objects also test positive for it) do you think we’d hear that reported any time in the next 5-9 years, let alone this year?

  299. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @J1234

    Never mind any debate rapid reaction poll (at least half showed Trump winning anyway) or what fake news said about the debate. Every election poll sampled since the debate shows a narrowed gap. Trump won.

  300. Anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wilkey

    As already mentioned in comment #12, worthless “sex advice” columnist and sometime campus visiting speaker Dan Savage claimed to be following Gary Bauer around the 2000 Iowa caucus for this reason:

    https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2011/07/the-doorknob-chronicles-of-dan-savage

    It’s striking how quaint Savage seems now, like an early 90s TV sitcom, or a 1950s “risque evening gown”

  301. @vinteuil

    So you’re ready for a total nothing who doesn’t differ, in any way that matters, from Jeb Bush, or Mitt Romney, or any of the other useless tools of Conservative.inc

    Basically agree. Though my rough take/guess is Pence is probably better than any of these turds that Conservatism inc. served up this century.

    But Pence simply doesn’t seem to have the natural instinct Trump has that our traitorous elites are screwing America. Trump is not a thoughtful guy, but had a nose for how bogus things were and a sense of outrage about it.

    That said, i simply don’t know what Pence actually thinks/feels. A hint might be digging up through transcripts of his radio show in the 90s. (Not a Hoosier and never heard it, or even knew the guy existed.) But he might have wised up since then.

    The key core issue: Whom does America belong to?

    A guy who believes and says America belongs to Americans and Americans have an absolutely right to determine who comes here and that the sole criteria for our immigration and trade policies is “what is in the interest of Americans and their children, their posterity, not foreigners” is a guy on the right track.

    • Replies: @Polynikes
  302. epebble says:
    @AnotherDad

    President Trump Has Been Treated With an Experimental COVID-19 Antibody Cocktail.

    https://time.com/5895771/trump-regeneron-covid-cocktail/

    President Trump being taken to Walter Reed Military Medical Center as a ‘precautionary measure’

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/02/president-trump-being-taken-to-walter-reed-military-medical-center-as-a-precautionary-measure.html

    • Replies: @HammerJack
  303. Kronos says:
    @Che Blutarsky

    Man, I love this video.

    Hunter can be the “Little Wayne” of Eastern Europe. The DEA just sends him in and he’ll do all the rest.

  304. Anonymous[294] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Time for Weird Al in tribute to this conspiracy to update the old Tom Lehrer song; cover entitled, “I Got It From Harris”

  305. Liza says:
    @Pat Kittle

    LOL (re the other pandemics feeling bad over lack of recognition.)

    That figure assumes that the tests were accurate.

    Mother Nature comes along every so often to clean up messes but nobody seems to apprehend this. Did the Creator make some kind of ghastly mistake? God is “not a respecter of persons”, ie, he doesn’t change his standards for anyone. President of comfy first world country or peasant in third world country – you get the microbial infection (mild or deadly) you deserve. The main difference is that the rich have access to treatments that allow them to evade the natural order for a bit longer.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
  306. Yngvar says:

    So… Walter Reed Hospital has a room that allows the president to execute his duties while under care by medical staff.
    Should have knowed that. Obvious in hindsight. A lot of stuff that’s been hidden reveal itself under this pandemic.

  307. CCZ says:

    WaPo says:

    Live updates: Trump heading to Walter Reed hospital after positive coronavirus test.

    Oct. 2, 2020 at 6:25 p.m. EDT

    “President Trump is being transported to Walter Reed National Military Medical Center after announcing that he had tested positive for the deadly coronavirus, according to the White House. Trump is struggling with a low-grade fever, a cough and nasal congestion, among other symptoms, said two officials familiar with his condition.”

    “Trump has received an experimental “antibody cocktail” treatment, his physician said.”

  308. @njguy73

    Who says the Borscht Belt is dead?

  309. @Anonymous

    Since his chances of recovery are high this might be “USA’s Luck” if it succeeds to destigmatize Death Coof more than Tom Hanks ever could. Contracting it will probably have been the most statesmanlike act from Trump this year.

    However, even granting the man’s penchant for random destabilizing/subject changing I am hard pressed to decipher it as his “luck.” It’s even worse as a conscious media strategy. How from n-dimensions of chessboards do you possibly get to this being a campaign coup? What a use of fast-dwindling POTUS hours

  310. Anonymous[162] • Disclaimer says:

    He is going to die from it. I am certain of it.

    • Replies: @DextersLabRat
    , @Anonymous
  311. @vinteuil

    Yeah, basically. I’ve basically lost all hope for immigration restrictionism since it’s led by weaklings and cowards who won’t take responsibility for anything, people like Steve Sailer, who believes he has no responsibility to condemn the corona-denial craziness. Maybe he thinks that’s not fair because he’s never tried to be a leader. But who’s gonna do it, Steve? If you buy a ship, set off into the ocean, you either find a captain, or you are the captain, whether you feel like a natural-born captain or not. I am not particularly interested in hearing you go on about the glorious land on the foreign shore. I want to hear from somebody who has the stuff necessary to get us there. You don’t.

    As for con-inc, it might succeed in keeping gas prices from going to 6$ a gallon. The best hope right now is someone con inc Republican who can be as inoffensive as possible to voters, unlike Romney, who pissed off the working class with his heartless businessman persona, or any of the Bible people piss off the secular.

    • Troll: HammerJack, vinteuil
  312. @Jack D

    For someone of Trump’s age and relative vigor and given that he will receive the finest medical care possible, he has probably a 95% chance of coming out of this unscathed.

    Agree.

    My rough–pulled from nether regions–estimates for someone of Trump’s age and excess of adipose tissue, but high energy level.

    10% — nothing, basically asymptomatic
    35% — no biggie cold, maybe loss of taste/smell
    35% — good solid flu
    15% — worse cold/flu of his life
    4% — kicks his ass, hospital, lingering issues
    1% — dead

    You can quibble with the figures but something like that’s the rough picture.

    As said in earlier comment, if Trump can kick this and be roaring back it’s actually great for him–virus overrated, Trump healthy champion of recovery–Making America Great Again. (Joe Biden–old scared guy hiding in his basement.)

    But additional problem is mail voting is early. Trump really needs to wrap this up and be out hitting it in no more than two weeks. Ideally one week for full benefit.

    • Replies: @Lot
  313. @Anon

    The Melania tapes make her look great, personality wise. We already know she looks great physically.

  314. Bill P says:
    @AnotherDad

    Alternatively, it could really mess him up. Maybe even kill him. Chances are he’ll be OK, but Trump’s an old man. He is about five years from the average COVID victim age of 79, which also happens to be the average lifespan for an American man. Biden’s even closer, obviously.

    Maybe we ought to rethink this gerontocracy thing. Senescence is a hard truth that’s too often ignored or denied these days.

    • Replies: @VinnyVette
  315. Lot says:
    @AnotherDad

    Reuters has mortality for 74 year olds at 2 to 4% based on different data sets.

    Trump’s parents and older sister shower impressive longevity and he’s aged well and has great care. He also has great stress and the chronic health problems typical of obese older men.

    BoJo is another energetic and vigorous man of girth with excellent medical care, and was 55 when he got COVID. He spent 3 days in an ICU and 2 weeks of isolated country house rest afterward.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  316. @Bill P

    Trump has no pre existing conditions, cancer, diabetes, heart disease, pulmonary disease etc, he is slightly overweight, not anywhere near “obese.”
    If he did, he would not be as high energy as he is for a man his age.

    • Replies: @Bill P
  317. Anonymous[285] • Disclaimer says:

    Yeah, basically. I’ve basically lost all hope for immigration restrictionism since it’s led by weaklings and cowards who won’t take responsibility for anything, people like Steve Sailer, who believes he has no responsibility to condemn the corona-denial craziness. Maybe he thinks that’s not fair because he’s never tried to be a leader. But who’s gonna do it, Steve? If you buy a ship, set off into the ocean, you either find a captain, or you are the captain, whether you feel like a natural-born captain or not. I am not particularly interested in hearing you go on about the glorious land on the foreign shore. I want to hear from somebody who has the stuff necessary to get us there. You don’t.

    Care to share a link to your own popular webpage so you can show us how it’s done, old sport?

    • Agree: HammerJack
  318. @Corn

    Have you seen his wife? He is gay as a medley of showtunes!

    • LOL: Charon
    • Replies: @Lace
  319. anon[363] • Disclaimer says:

    The White House says President Donald Trump is being treated for COVID-19 with an experimental drug cocktail. The president’s physician, Sean P. Conley, released a memo Friday afternoon saying the president has received a single 8 gram dose of Regeneron’s polyclonal antibody cocktail, “as a precautionary measure.”

    The medication is still undergoing a clinical trial, with the first data from 275 non-hospitalized patients showing that “it reduced viral load and the time to alleviate symptoms,” the company said in a press release this week.

    Along with the experimental drug, Conley noted that Mr. Trump is also taking zinc, vitamin D, famotidine (the medication in Pepcid, for heartburn or acid reflux), melatonin and a daily aspirin. Late Friday afternoon, the president was transported to Walter Reed Medical Center for a few days of treatment — “out of an abundance of caution,” according to White House press secretary Kaleigh McEnany.

    Per Fox.

    I don’t know about Regeneron, but I’m still thinking it is likely to be a mild case. He is over 70 so the media has quoted a 4% chance of death, but this only considers his membership in the oldest age group that suffers the most death.

  320. Apparently he is deteriorating quickly.

    My cousin sold all his stocks in the US last week. A good friend just texted me wondering if she should do the same. People are getting nervous. I think everyone understands if he dies it’s not going to be a nice smooth transition to Pence or Biden.

  321. @Anonymous

    I really don’t want this to happen but he is 74 and fat.

    If he dies, and there is any positive from him dying, let it be that all the obese are scared to death (no pun intended) and lose the weight. The amount of extra resources spent feeding and caring for the maladies of the obese is truly a drain on humanity, and it’s 100% preventable.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  322. Lol, don’t worry trump supporters.

    Remember, it is just a hoax.

    How can Trump be infected with a hoax.

    Lol.

  323. Anon[334] • Disclaimer says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Probably bacterial and fungal infections brought on by too much mask wearing.

    Lots of death-maximization enthusiasts around.

  324. @Achmed E. Newman

    That doesn’t change the word “cope” from being in most common usage by gay Millennials.

    As in, “I can hardly cope with my recent Gay Millenial Privilege”? You know, Sailer’s Pokemon Points for the Oppressed. Oppressed being everyone but you, me and our fellows, Achmed. We’re Zero-Pointers. How did we survive?

  325. @Wilkey

    No thanks. Trump isn’t perfect but he has a much better chance of actually winning and accomplishing things than Pence. Pence is a dud. Next Republican after Trump needs to be Desantis.

    • Replies: @Charon
    , @Charon
  326. Predictions:
    1. Trump will require minor surgery. Pence will be temporarily sworn in as POTUS, and then ban abortion nationwide by executive order.
    2. Trump (God forbid) will die. Pence will become president and Nancy Pelosi VP*. Romney will join the ACB defectors, and then Pelosi will cast the decisive ballot to block confirmation.
    3. Trump easily recovers. His killshot in the final debate is “Because it would have killed you” or “Because you’d be dead” re: Biden testing negative.

    * Yeah, yeah, yeah—I don’t think it works like that either. Have some fun!

    • Replies: @Charon
  327. Anonymous[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    I’m not sure if the Trump cult members know this:

    Most foreigners who dislike the foreign policy of the United States want Trump to survive. He is weakening the country from within to the extent that it’s unlikely to be able to multilaterally project its power and “values” beyond its borders if he lasts another 4 years. Breaking the US from the inside is the only way to end the meddling and worse. There are multidecadal Iranian taqiyyah deep cover “exiles” who pretend to support Trump for this reason.

    Foreign Americophiles on the other hand are horrified by Trump.

    With America’s enemies supporting Trump, and its friends supporting Biden, it’s an interesting signal.

    Trump needs to survive and be re-elected. Not because he is good for America, but because he is destroying American exceptionalism and cutting the country down to size. And he’s entertaining.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @GeneralRipper
  328. J.Ross says:

  329. Anon[269] • Disclaimer says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Well, masks have a lifespan. Washable masks should be washed at least as often as socks or underwear. Otherwise fungus happens.

  330. Polynikes says:
    @AnotherDad

    Pence is conservative inc. He’s not that bright either. He is probably a good person and maybe Trump rubbed off on him some. But my money is on Lindsey Graham, mitt Romney, the military industrial complex, and chamber of commerce go back to running things if Pence takes over.

    • Agree: GeneralRipper
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  331. @Liza

    COVID has as much to do with Mother Nature as a TV set does….

    It was cooked up by mad scientists in a lab, funded by more mad scientists, and covered up by more mad scientists.

    • Replies: @Liza
  332. Trump is having trouble breathing.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
  333. @John Johnson

    No, he wouldn’t. He is further right than Trump. Do you think those Trump boat parade people have always been Republicans? That they would fly Pence flags off their boats instead?

    Pence might do better than Trump among the few Bush dynasty loving leftovers from the 2000s, like defense contractors in the NOVA suburbs and creepy youth pastors. He might energize religious people more, but they were already voting for Trump anyway. One thing Pence could do well would be dampen the enthusiasm of Democrats to vote. They don’t care about him as much as Trump so wouldn’t see it as a priority to vote.

  334. @MEH 0910

    Shockingly 1 in 114 black Americans dies every year! Structural racism!

  335. @MEH 0910

    I never knew that law enforcement and military people were so huggy kissy. I guess I never thought about it, because when I worked in prison there was never more than just a peck on the cheek.

  336. niceland says:

    As previously stated Trump will in all likelihood survive. It’s the potential aftereffect from c-19 he should be worried about. Even if they didn’t get really sick, some people suffer months of feeling drained of energy after c-19. Many feel sloppy for weeks, it seems common. That wouldn’t be easy for Trump – or anyone in his position.

  337. Muggles says:
    @Bard of Bumperstickers

    You better cut back on whatever it is you’re taking.

    Not helping with your thought processes.

    If you actually believed half of what you’re posting here you’d already be trekking up some rough track high up in the Peruvian Andes.

    Or perhaps you’ve just forgotten all of those “Obama will never take office” predictions that spewed forth in 2008?

    Predictions of Doom are a dime a dozen. Turns out that actual Black Swan events (COVID, Summer of Floyd, Biden’s antifa militia) rarely if ever get predicted.

  338. anon[429] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Many Americans who dislike the foreign policy of the United States want Trump to survive. He is weakening the country from within to the extent that it’s unlikely to be able to multilaterally project its power and “values” beyond its borders if he lasts another 4 years. Breaking the US from the inside is the only way to end the meddling and worse.

    Trump needs to survive and be re-elected. Because he is good for America: he is destroying American exceptionalism and cutting the country down to size. And he’s entertaining.

    Fixed it for you. We Hate the Invade the World Foreign Policy as much as the Foreigners.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  339. @JohnnyWalker123

    NBC is now the second source reporting shortness of breath.

    • Replies: @Muggles
    , @epebble
  340. Bill P says:
    @VinnyVette

    Yes, but he’s old. That’s a risk in and of itself.

  341. Jack D says:
    @VinnyVette

    “Page last reviewed: March 5, 2019” A lot of water under the bridge since then.

    There is a theory that the CDC is paid off by drug makers to tout the flu vaccine rather than masks. Masks have been in widespread use in flu season in Asia for decades. I have no evidence that the CDC is corrupt but overall I am not very impressed by the CDC from what I have seen of it lately. It appears to be much like the rest of our government – a bunch of affirmative action clowns.

    We keep coming back to the magical mask that is good in a “healthcare” setting but not good elsewhere. Does the virus know whether or not it is inside a doctor’s office?

  342. Muggles says:
    @couch scientist

    If he dies, can they swap in Tucker Carlson for him?

    Yes. Good thought.

  343. @Stan Adams

    That story did set off a few BS meters though.

    Your sources may have embellished it a bit.

    Though granted I’m not sure how…..

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
  344. @epebble

    Hospital is the very last place I’d go, with all we’ve learned, unless it’s a life or death situation. And I’m not even sure I’d go then.

    Makes me worry that this is serious.

  345. @Authenticjazzman

    a vile piece of shit.

    Those on the Left, which of course now encompasses slews of people who call themselves “moderates”, pretty much ALL fit that description.

    Most should be liquidated, (especially academia and the media) and the rest placed in work/reeducation camps.

    We need a man like Franco or Pinochet.

  346. Muggles says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    NBC is now the second source reporting shortness of breath.

    I too have experienced shortness of breath! Sometimes after long climbs, at high altitudes, after an hour on the elliptical machine, etc.

    Surely that means I’m going to die! Damn…

    • Agree: Charon
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Anon
  347. Charon says:
    @S. Anonyia

    Next Republican after Trump needs to be Desantis.

    There will not be a next Republican

  348. Charon says:
    @S. Anonyia

    Next Republican after Trump needs to be Desantis.

    There will not be a next Republican after Trump. The Democrats and Republicans co-ordinated “race replacement” strategy have seen to that. This is it.

  349. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Alexander Turok

    About the anger at China over the virus, it is less because it originated there than because the Chinese did so much better a job with it.

    Yep.

  350. Charon says:
    @Daniel Williams

    Predictions:
    1. Trump will require minor surgery

    There’s surgery for covid now?
    How does that work?

    • Replies: @Daniel Williams
  351. @GreatSocialist

    blah, blah, blah, blah, blah …

    Virus from US military circulating for a year magically being non-infectious–when everyone’s going about their normal business–then suddenly last winter in Wuhan–loitering outside a research lab smoking a Chinese cigarette?–becomes quite infectious.

    I’ll never understand the desire of people–people with the requisite IQ/good sense to be drawn to Sailer’s blog for “noticing” tidbits–to buy nonsense.

    Most likely came from a Wuhan lab. US connection possible–read somewhere, NIH funded some of the bat lady’s research. Fancifully some guy takes home some nice pork cuts from a lab pig that should have been incinerated. Most likely–mistakes in protocols here or there, someone got infected … and while not measles, it’s reasonable infectious.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
  352. CCZ says:
    @AnotherDad

    “President Trump on Friday was administered “polyclonal antibodies” to help his body battle COVID-19 and is experiencing fatigue, his doctor said in a statement.”

    “In addition to the polyclonal antibodies, the president has been taking zinc, vitamin D, famotidine [an antacid], melatonin and a daily aspirin,” according to the memo.

    Trump is not taking the drug hydroxychloroquine, a controversial anti-malaria drug that he took in May to ward off potentially contracting the serious respiratory bug.”

    https://nypost.com/2020/10/02/trump-infused-with-polyclonal-antibodies-to-fight-covid-19/

  353. newrouter says:
    @DextersLabRat

    “He is absolutely very fat”

    Have you seen him in private without the body armor?

  354. MBlanc46 says:
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    I think that the indications have been strong all along for a Biden landslide in the EC and a strong showing in the total vote. If the debate didn’t finish Trump, this very likely will. My last full decade, if I last that long, is going to be hell.

  355. Corn says:
    @Morton's toes

    Since we’re trading anecdotes I’m personally acquainted with six cases.
    My 82 year old uncle with Alzheimer’s contracted covid. He was sent to the hospital after a fall at the nursing home. Tested + for covid. Was sent back to the nursing home a week or two later. Nothing more is heard about him for about a month (we’re not close). Then his daughter informs my sister he died of pneumonia. His death was ruled a covid death. It was decided the virus helped nurture the pneumonia. Probably true but he was 82, in a nursing home with Alzheimer’s, who knows?

    Two college aged sons of my cousin contracted the virus. One was asymptomatic and never got sick. His brother lost his senses of taste and smell for two days then he was fine. The third son, my cousin and her husband never got sick, though the whole family lives together.

    A colleague told me his brother, sister in law and their child contracted it. Sister in law and the child both had nasty flus but after one or two weeks were ok. His brother felt tired and sluggish for a day or two then he was fine.

    My (distant, thankfully) experience with the virus has ran the gamut from fatal to exceptionally nasty cold to barely there.

  356. MBlanc46 says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    An evil decade ahead. We’ll need all the divine help that we can get.

  357. Hibernian says:
    @DextersLabRat

    The last word in your handle is symbolic.

  358. Anonymous[699] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Steve was one of the first commentators to point out the blatant early lies of the medical establishment about masks. It was transparently obvious BS. We still wear less effective cloth face coverings to allow public health authorities to assuage their guilt about lying, and we pretend that surgical masks aren’t freely available at reasonable prices by now.

    After public health authorities changed their position and acknowledged that masks do work, they got politicized. The anti-mask stuff seems to have initially come from the same troll armies that pushed HCQ. They’ve been very successful at keeping the US death rate up, while less broken places have managed to control death rates. Trump was too vain to wear a mask initially, but he wasn’t the primary source of the second round of anti-mask propaganda.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  359. Lace says:
    @Father O'Hara

    We have a term in New York for these: “Show-Tune Fairies”. It’s not just the piano bars groaning with all the Sondheim obscure things, but you’d sometimes still hear them in the 90s upset that Carol Channing didn’t get to do the movie of Helly, Dolly (in 1969.)

    The only thing somebody might have missed is a brilliant passage in Joan Didion’s last novel (as far back as 1996), The Last Thing He Wanted, which has the heroine, who is in great danger, getting stuck in a ‘cottage’ sort of place overseen by a psychotic show-tune fairy who keeps singing “You’ll Never Walk Alone” and “If I Loved You” between screaming rants. I think it’s her best novel, a kind of super-high-toned page-turner; the others aren’t page-turners, although they’ve all got a touch of her snobbism to them. Great writer.

    And Joan knew about such shit. Got started in career at Vogue, and fired finally by them for reviewing The Sound of Music thus: “The movie is like being trapped on a dance floor crooned at by a drunk. Keep your Alps”. Uncanny and original, but I know what she meant. I hated it too, but it certainly was quite a barometer of American stupidity.

    I took the liberty of putting this tinsel in because I’ve read the entire thread, and can’t comment, because it’s just guessing and gut reactions at this point, isn’t it? No, there’s a lot of smart data in here that I would never have known about. Momentous, to be sure, though.

  360. Corn says:

    Certainly hoping the President doesn’t die, but if he does, I wonder how it will affect the left and Dem turnout on election day?

    Certainly there will be disgusting displays of glee if he dies, and endless “serves him right on twitter!” But that being said a death in a hospital bed is rather anticlimactic.

    Dems have been furiously spinning these social media fantasies of gleefully voting Trump out, then prosecuting him for various imagined crimes. Many come up with these farcical dreams of the US Army or a mob of righteous citizens crowbarring him from the White House on January 20.

    If he dies in a hospital bed or resigns for medical reasons, I think many Democrats may feel deflated or empty. Alot of the LARPing ends.

  361. @Jack D

    Good comment Jack. Good analogy.

    The other thing to be said, is that a lot of the way masks “work” in close quarters public areas–airplanes, transit, store aisles and checkout–is suppressing spew from the sickies. Some goober next to you doesn’t dump a giant dose right into your face with a cough or sneeze. The virus ambles out of them like a drunk leaving a bar at closing time, not like a shotgun blast.

    But fundamentally masks are like a lot of stuff we do–not 100%, but semi-effective, cut the risk.

    And that’s not useless here, because slowing it down allows time to discover/optimize treatment and develop a vaccine. Sure it’s not the plague, but most people would opt to avoid it if they can.

  362. Anonymous[699] • Disclaimer says:
    @Muggles

    Trump’s mortal. The sooner you accept this, the better.

    • Replies: @Muggles
  363. @Lot

    You’re right Lot. I thought about putting 2% for Trump. But Trump being Pres, means top of line care.

    BoJo strikes me as being truly obese–a slob–while Trump’s just “well overweight”, doesn’t look ridiculous as long as he doesn’t take off his suit.

    That said, it’s ridiculous Trump–with all the personnel at his command–has not bothered to put together a personal training regime, loose some weight and get in better shape. Melania would, i’m sure, appreciate it. And his whole campaign would benefit if he simply looked more fit. But then as we see with everything else–ex. debate prep–the guy is extraordinarily ill-disciplined for a successful man.

  364. TTSSYF says:
    @DextersLabRat

    I’m a woman, 5’8″, and have weighed no more than 124 lbs my entire life, so I know what obesity is and isn’t. Trump, at 6’3″, is overweight but not morbidly obese not “very fat” for a man with his heavy bone structure. I seriously doubt he carries an “extra 1oo lbs of lard.” Maybe 40 or so of extra weight. And, as I said in previous posts, I think he’s lost some weight recently.

    • Replies: @DextersLabRat
  365. @Wilkey

    I have no respect for Christian Zionist types, though he’d be better than the Ho.

  366. Tor597 says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    No. I don’t care enough about you to go to Youtube to post a link.

    And you claim to be some China expert lol? People in China can easily access YouTube through a VPN.

    By the way, I am not Anti-American. I used to be very patriotic until America was taken over by the elites. Its really a tragic story since the America I grew up in was not like it is now.

    But I call a spade a spade, so I have no problem calling out all the evil things we are doing through the world.

  367. epebble says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    If he goes on Oxygen, then it is a new ball game. He will be in Johnson land. The election will be Pence’s to campaign, win or lose.

    Also, Kellyanne Conway tests positive for COVID-19. This looks like a super spreader episode.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/news/519448-kellyanne-conway-tests-positive-for-covid-19

    • Replies: @Corn
  368. @Anonymous

    Trump needs to survive and be re-elected. Not because he is good for America, but because he is destroying American exceptionalism and cutting the country down to size.

    Americans never really set out to be exceptional, we just naturally turned out that way.

    Americans would be very happy being left the fuck alone.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Lace
  369. Liza says:
    @Justvisiting

    Well, yes, that is what some people think. I don’t know; maybe that’s true and maybe it’s not. Hard to say, Justvisiting.

    However, “ordinary” seasonal flu is actually worse than this Corona thing, in terms of numbers, and it IS straight from Mother Nature. Why would mad scientists cook up something that is relatively harmless except to chronically sick and susceptible people?

    If the deep state wanted to do a major reset of the world, they didn’t have to invent a virus which would primarily affect the near-dead, as an excuse to mandate social isolation, partial economic shutdown and wearing of masks. There’s other, naturally occurring, infections they could have yanked from the barrel and proclaimed deadly.

  370. Anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:

    I can only quote Richard Spencer:

    Biden’s stay at home strategy is looking pretty good now, eh losers? For a lot of Trump supporters, they feel a sense of community with loser Trump. They aren’t opposed to building the wall. But they frequently say they’re gonna do things and then don’t do them, so how can they have anything against Trump for it? Trump is just like they imagine the average American to be: a loser. And that’s so great, a loser can advance to so high, huh?

  371. Anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Polynikes

    the military industrial complex, and chamber of commerce go back to running things if Pence takes over.

    As opposed to now, when they aren’t running things? #DropTable2020

  372. It’s interesting the contrast – Trump gets to recover in a state-of-the-art lavish medical facility while Boris Johnson was transported to a filthy Third World hospital

    • Replies: @Sya Beerens
  373. As events unfold, it seems that Trump suffered some symptoms of Covid-19, A fever, shortness of breath, fatigue, congestion etc.

    This obviously shows he is not an asymptomatic case. That he has to be airlifted to Walter Reed and has taken an experimental cocktail of antibodies might well mean the symptoms are sever and fast. So I do not think his will be a mild case of Covid-19.

    • Replies: @Authenticjazzman
  374. @AnotherDad

    But fundamentally masks are like a lot of stuff we do–not 100%, but semi-effective, cut the risk.

    Much of disease control is probabalistic. You can tilt the odds in your favor, or you can tilt the odds against you. Binary thinkers don’t like that, they want 100% sureness and get very testy when they can’t get it because “not fair” or some other childish nonsense.

    Masks are one layer of protection. Not being around people who are known to be really sick is another layer. Internal protection via Vit D & zinc is another layer. No one thing is a sure solution, but the protection is cumulative.

    It’s too bad so many people, including some here I could name, are just overage pre-teens in their world view.

  375. @AnotherDad

    AnotherDad wrote:

    Most likely–mistakes in protocols here or there, someone got infected … and while not measles, it’s reasonable infectious.

    Yeah. I don’t think most people realize how commonly safety protocols are violated in labs.

    Back in my student days, I was testing some equipment that used a 3,000 Volt + power supply. I had to reconnect the high-voltage cables every half-hour or so: of course, the idea was to kill the power first. Lab rules said you only used the equipment when colleagues were present so they could help if you zapped yourself.

    But I knew I was smart. So, I violated lab rules. Fortunately, high-voltage connectors make it hard to actually touch the leads. And I wasn’t grounded.

    So, I only had a 3 kV spark arc across my hand. No harm (though I did jump back three feet or so!).

    And of course, genius that I thought I was, I kept violating lab rules — but more carefully henceforward.

    More on point, a family member went through the hazmat protocol training a few years ago for Ebola. The trainers told her that few of the doctors or nurses ever managed to learn how to do the procedures properly.

    STEM people tend to think that safety protocols are a waste of time. Most of us manage to survive our own arrogance and stupidity.

    And so accidents happen. I doubt that anyone with much lab experience finds it hard to believe that someone in Wuhan violated lab safety rules.

  376. In my immediate family my wife,late 40s,and two daughters tested positive. Wife and 19 year old had no symptoms, 23 year old quarantined now has mild flu symptoms…pretty sur I had it with wife but wasn’t tested….felt shitty 3 or 4 days…but I’m a fat ass

  377. Anonymous[384] • Disclaimer says:
    @GeneralRipper

    You can be exceptional inside your own country, but the problem is that you feel the need to use your military to spread your greatness around the world.

    I used to think that the anti war movement would be able to fix things using legitimate means, but I’m at the point that the only thing left is for Trump and his opposite numbers to tear the country apart from within.

    Too bad if that gets me marked as a troll. You should have pushed back harder when you had the chance.

  378. When my wife told me this I burst out laughing.

    There are so many One-Way Smoking Mirror Gas-lit behind the Curtains Maze Runners who may not be named in modern America that it hard not to.

  379. Corn says:
    @epebble

    Also, Kellyanne Conway tests positive for COVID-19. This looks like a super spreader episode.

    I don’t think it’s been confirmed but alot of chatter online is saying that the virus was spread at the Rose Garden event where Amy Coney Barrett was introduced to the press. No idea who Patient Zero is though.

    • Replies: @Anon
  380. @GreatSocialist

    ” So I do not think his will be a mild case of Covid-19″

    What you really mean is : I hope his will not be a mild case of Covid-19.

    You leftist scumbags turn my stomach with your venom and malice.

    AJM

  381. Anonymous[330] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    Touché

    Frankly I don’t care if Trump is good or bad for America, as long as it doesn’t launch another invasion in my lifetime.

  382. Coemgen says:
    @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    Speaking of odds; what are the odds that Trump, with all his public gatherings does not get the virus until just before (or during) his first “debate” against Joe Biden/Chris Wallace?

    Was Joe Biden/Chris Wallace thinking to himself during the debate, “This guy is supposed to be dying from covid. How is it he’s killing me instead?”

  383. Anon[269] • Disclaimer says:
    @Muggles

    “ I too have experienced shortness of breath! ”

    Don’t be foolish. In relation to Covid19, shortness of breath means lowering oxygenation, linked to the dangerous inflammatory last phase of the disease. Inflammation in this case leads to disseminated micro-thrombosis.

    Trump is vigorous, but you want the disease to stay in the first or second stages: bad flu or bad flu/pneumonia.

    • Agree: Muggles
  384. Anon[269] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corn

    Officially, they’re spinning it like this:
    Coney Barrett = super spreader

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8800717/Seven-infected-Amy-Coney-Barrett-superspreader-event-White-House.html

    It’s a very good spin, with many useful angles:
    – Trump is irresponsible
    – Trump was wrong on masks
    – Trump is wrong in his choice of Justice
    – Coney Barrett also has bad judgment
    – Trump’s campaign in chaos and fearful

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8800485/Body-language-expert-says-White-House-staff-appeared-fearful-shocked-Trump-departed.html

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8801145/Trump-campaign-manager-Bill-Stepien-tests-positive-COVID-Chris-Christie-awaits-results.html

    And it’s the right-wing Daily Mail, which will regularly hit Obama, and Éric Garner, and Ed Brooks and Hillary… but somehow doesn’t like Trump.

    • Replies: @Muggles
  385. @Charon

    “So stupid. Why would a priest, a rabbi, and a minister go anywhere together? There’s literally no way that actually happened.”

  386. @Jaroslav Hašek

    Absolutely correct:

    The President and First Lady will be fine since “the covid” has proven to be nothing more than a mild flu for most people…. the international hysterical reaction to this hoax needs to end.

    The only deadly contagion involved is the Jews’ media itself bent on destruction of the culture and homelands of the descendants of Christendom by any means necessary starting with enslavement as a step to genocide.

    Jew Flu is their excuse to mandate each wear a Goy Gag.

    Any goy who hasn’t figured out that the Jew is hyping this no matter his position in society need only look around more discerningly.

    A place where early resistance to the hoax-based shutdown made international news is Michigan where armed protesters flooded the capitol back in the spring. Its Governoress became a favorite subject of ridicule for the world’s leading truth-teller on the hoax, Andrew Anglin of dailystormer.su

    The uniquely insightful E. Michael Jones noted that the Governoress was under sway of the lesbo Attorney General whose Jew-hate for whitey was manifest in her blaming whites who wanted to golf for the excessive black susceptibility which David Duke has pointed out is actually due to vitamin D3 deficiency due to darker skin.

    In the news yesterday was the Michigan Supreme Court’s declaration that the state law upon which the Gov’ess was relying at her Jewess AG’s urging as basis for her Goy Gag mandating shutdown was insufficient so she would have to find or have enacted another law to continue her shutdown.

    Eliminating any doubt as to where the Jew stands as to the Jew Flu and mandatory Goy Gag, here’s the opening of the Court’s Opinion as written by the Jew originally appointed by a Republican Governor so supposedly “conservative” but obviously a “neocon” meaning “Jew wolf in disguise”:

    This case concerns the nature and scope of our state’s public response to one of the most threatening public-health crises of modern times. In response to a global, national, and state outbreak of the severe acute respiratory disease named COVID-19…

    Accordingly, the executive orders issued by the Governor in response to the
    COVID-19 pandemic now lack any basis under Michigan law.1

    1 Our decision leaves open many avenues for the Governor and Legislature to work together to address this challenge and we hope that this will take place.

    https://courts.michigan.gov/Courts/MichiganSupremeCourt/Clerks/Recent%20Opinions/20-21%20Term%20Opinions/In%20re%20Certified%20Questions-OP.pdf

    A classic case of the Jew taking control of the opposition to Jew tyranny.

    Obviously the Jew wants the Goy Gag mandate to remain in place, but seeing the Court was going against the legal basis asserted by the Gov’ess took control of writing the opinion to cheer on continuing efforts by the shabby goy pols to keep the Goy Gag in place.

  387. Lace says:
    @GeneralRipper

    ‘American Exceptionalism’ is vast power, wealth, natural resources, but most think it means that America is the ‘most exceptional’ country or whatever ‘experiment’ in the history of the world, which is ridiculous. And as for it being so great as to be right in ‘spreading our values’ to the rest of the world, the fact that the standard of living is so much lower than most Western European countries and cities, viz, Germany, Scandinavia, and obviously, Switzerland, makes that laughable. Culturally original in a number of ways, but too young a country–and maybe too rich too soon–to be even in the running with Britain, France, Italy, Germany. As for the poor nations, ‘spreading our values’ is not always exactly what anyone in their right mind would want.

    But it gets all the publicity. The U.S. is the most FAMOUS and the LOUDEST country in the world. Otherwise it’s hype, except for the weapons, money, etc. Much like NYC mayors always claiming “New York is the greatest city in the world”. I guess I used to believe that, although you won’t hear anybody saying it just now, since this current version is about as undesirable as possible.

    But if ‘American Exceptionalism’ means ‘American Superiority’ in any general sense, it’s never been true. The Roman Republic lasted 500 years, followed by 200 with the Pax Romana. The U.S. is not quite 250 years old, and wants to claim it’s the greatest nation that ever existed, although I’ll give us this: Everybody in other countries follows all minutiae in the U.S., esp. politics, when we don’t even know who their leaders are half the time. I can’t remember who is the premier of Australia, and only know that New Zealand’s is a woman, forgot her name too. But all of the other countries, knew who all the Dem candidates were and what this person thought about if Warren or Harris got VP. Someone wrote that the Net is just a ‘window on America, so using it is like gazing into a septic wound’.

    Well, even if America was once the greatest country in the history of the universe, it certainly isn’t now–just has the most charisma as it falls apart. Disasters always have lots of fans, big audiences.

  388. Jack D says:
    @Anonymous

    we pretend that surgical masks aren’t freely available at reasonable prices by now.

    Surgical masks are not that good. What you want are N95 masks (real ones, from 3M or another reputable manufacturer, not a fake Chinese KN95 and the kind without a vent which defeats the protection for everyone else) and these are STILL hard to get. Recently I have been able to get them but for maybe 4x the pre-Covid price (but for months I couldn’t get them at all so this is an improvement).

    The anti-mask stuff seems to have initially come from the same troll armies that pushed HCQ.

    Who are these troll armies? Recently I came across a whole genre of YouTube videos entitled “free energy generator” which purport to show perpetual motion machines – electric motors that spin forever on their own power. Every one of these videos (and there are a whole bunch of them) is fake because perpetual motion is impossible. Who is creating these videos and why? Is it for the You Tube hits? What benefit is there from perpetuating such fakery?

    • Replies: @Travis
  389. Jack D says:
    @Pat Kittle

    Just think – in only 7,815 years EVERYONE now living will have died of Coronavirus.

  390. @Jim Don Bob

    She’s probably attractive underneath all that goop.

  391. Muggles says:
    @Anonymous

    Trump’s mortal. The sooner you accept this, the better.

    Well, thanks for your effort to bring me back to earth, supposedly.

    I never said or implied that Trump is immortal. Though the revelation of that if it were true, and the mass suicides of the TDSers it would bring would certainly improve our society.

    Perhaps I was too explicit in my comment. My point was that any single symptom doesn’t necessarily mean immanent death. It is non trivial in the case of COVID-19 positive tests. Still just something that happens with a bad upper respiratory infection. I had a couple of those due to travel last year and recovered w/o problem.

  392. Muggles says:
    @Anon

    And it’s the right-wing Daily Mail, which will regularly hit Obama, and Éric Garner, and Ed Brooks and Hillary… but somehow doesn’t like Trump.

    Like all other online (mostly) media, the DM just wants eyeballs. So malicious gossip about Trump is just fodder for fools. UK political media bias is hard for Yanks to comprehend I think. The fact that they have sometimes also reported negative items about Dems/Wokesters doesn’t necessarily mean they are “right wing.”

    Amy Barrett is no more a “super spreader” than anyone else who may have been in proximity to Trump, like his press person (Hope Hicks) who did test positive. Barrett hasn’t reported being COVID positive.

    The commies hate her because Trump wants her on the SC and she will not usually vote the same as the recently departed witch. Ginsburg may have been very smart, personable and not totally Woke but still a bad SC Justice. Like others she regarded the Constitution as something to use as a basis for her incantations of what it “should mean.” No respect for it, except rhetorically when it suited her.

    Barrett is now being trashed for being Catholic. But she is far less of a Leftist than the current Pope, who appears to believe in Karl Marx and Lenin more than the Bible. I would worry if she was too papist, not merely a practicing Catholic.

  393. @TTSSYF

    Trump, per his physical in June, is 6’3″ and 244lbs. That puts him at a BMI of 30.5, which is obese. If he were a bodybuilder then the BMI scale wouldn’t be as accurate, but he’s not. That’s lard, not muscle he’s carrying.

    “Heavy bone structure” is a meme as valid as flat Earth. No one is born with massive heavy bones. You’ve been lied to your whole life, sorry.

    For him to be within a healthy weight range he’d have to drop 44lbs down to 200lbs total (which puts him at a 25 BMI), so you’re right about that part.

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
  394. @VinnyVette

    That’s a 30.5 BMI, which is medically obese.

  395. Liza says:
    @prosa123

    Fat. Just plain fat. Not portly or overweight or heavy. I wonder, though, if he himself said he was “fat!

  396. @HammerJack

    Your sources may have embellished it a bit.

    No doubt.

    Then again, I know at least two conservative, upper-middle-class boomer men who raised ultra-flaming, über-woke gay millennial sons.

    One of the two was in such deep denial that he didn’t even realize that his super-swishy son’s “best friend” was his lover, even though all of his employees were gossiping about it.

    When the kid finally revealed the truth, the shock damn near killed his father – literally. A few weeks later, the poor guy had a heart attack. (To be fair, there were other things on his mind – his company was in financial difficulty.)

    The son from Well-to-Do Family 1 went to Julliard and ended up as a professional opera singer. The son from Well-to-Do Family 2 – the one whose father had a heart attack – graduated from, ironically enough, the University of Chicago medical school and secured a position as an internist at a prestigious New York hospital.

    Both young men are highly-intelligent, well-bred, well-educated genetic dead-ends. Their fathers must be so proud.

  397. @Jack D

    No evidence that cloth masks work. N95 masks probably work , which is the reason the hospitals spend more money on these masks. I suppose the authorities seek to promote the worthless masks to avoid shortages of the N95 masks.

    Here in NJ masks have been mandated by the governor since April 2. Does not seem to have had any effect, as cases peaked 3 weeks after he mandated masks.

  398. Travis says:
    @Jack D

    Reuters is now trolling us about HCQ ?
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-science-idUSKBN26N3F1
    researchers found that early use of the drug by people who were not hospitalized yielded a statistically significant 24% reduction in risk of infection, hospitalization or death.

    “The meta-analysis pools together the studies and increases statistical power,” said Dr. Joseph Ladapo of the David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA, coauthor of a report posted on Wednesday on medRxiv ahead of peer review. “This is extremely strong evidence of benefit.”

  399. TTSSYF says:
    @DextersLabRat

    Perhaps I should have referred to it as “bigger bones” rather than “heavy bone structure.”

    And no, I don’t think the 40 pounds I suggested he should lose is pure muscle. My point was that he doesn’t have “100 pounds of lard” to lose.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  400. @TTSSYF

    There are big differences in the width of shoulders and the like. E.g., I’m about as tall as Pittsburgh Steelers QB Ben Roethlisberger, but my optimal weight is about 60 pounds less. He’s just vastly wider than I am.

    • Agree: TTSSYF
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