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A friend writes about a new study and speculates about the President-Elect:

Dyslexia and OCD (such as Trump’s germaphobia) correlated:

https://gumc.georgetown.edu/news/A-Brain-System-that-Appears-To-Compensate-for-Autism-OCD-and%20Dyslexia

If both were true, explains a lot. Would generate huge inferiority complex, a lot to prove. I’ve shared with [X] that Trump talks about his sex life a lot more than other alpha males. My hypothesis is sex with strangers grosses him out but is contrary to the image he wants to project. A guy who is a tee-totaler workaholic is pretty boring in general, so he compensates with perception.

 
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  1. Germophobia is why Donald’s version of ground game was flying around and speaking to large rallies rather than shaking hands at run down coffee shops and kissing babies? Maybe? I did see him kiss lots of women’s cheeks on YouTube so who knows.
    Ask Melania, she’s got the goods on Donald. Does she do any cooking at home? How about goulash? Does any super model? Developing… Stay tuned.

    National dish of Slovenia is Gibanica
    http://www.national-food.info/slovenia
    The recipe for preparing Gibanica national dish of Slovenia. The recipe is accompanied by information about Slovenia and Slovenia cuisine.

    Gibanica is a traditional pastry dish from Serbia popular all over the Balkans. It is usually made with white cheese and eggs. Recipes can range from sweet to savoury, and from simple to festive and elaborate multi-layered cakes.
    ________

    President Borut Pahor also got a chance to congratulate the Trumps and extend an invitation to visit Slovenia in a phone call on Wednesday.
    His office said the president had a “warm talk with the future first lady Melania Trump… and also transmitted her the best wishes of his partner Tanja Pecar”.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Clyde

    The rallies are a far more efficient way of meeting people. Take the coffee shop analogy. Assume you can make about 5 coffee shop stops in a day, and each lets you meet about 100 people. Your total of voters reached is 500 for that day. In a rally, you make 1 stop, and meet around 15,000. If you could schedule 2 rallies in a day, that's 30,000. You have to pay for the rental space, but they deliver more potential voters for the time spent meeting people. Trump's decision likely has nothing to do with germs and everything to do with more shrewd campaigning.

    Ahem. Professional politicians as a rule almost never do rallies. Why? They can't even come close to filling the space. Voters just don't care about politicians that much. Pols are not rock stars and they don't have the draw. It's not just Hillary being uncharismatic. Nearly all politicians are about as exciting as a pair of wet socks. Trump could do it because he's spent 30 years building himself up as a celebrity, but a Jeb Bush or a Mitt Romney or other men of that ilk will not get the crowds. That's why politicians always visit state fairs, etc. They have to go where the crowds are. The crowds don't come to them.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @PiltdownMan, @Lurker

    , @Alfred1860
    @Clyde

    Speaking of Slovenia, I would highly recommend that anyone who hasn't seen it watch the documentary "Big River Man" about the Slovenian alcoholic world-record holding long-distance swimmer Martin Strel. Easily the most entertaining and fascinating doc I've ever seen. YMMV.

  2. At first, I read the title as “Trump’s Germanphobia.”

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @JohnnyD

    Maybe I should spell the word as "germophobia?"

    Germans might tend to be more germophobic on average than others?

    , @German_reader
    @JohnnyD

    Me too, read it as "Germanophobia". Was afraid for a second Trump might punish Germany for German politicians' insolence against him (but who knows, maybe he will?).

  3. Unconvinced. Trump manages to get laid without the aid of alcohol, which is pretty impressive. It means he is uninhibited and relaxed enough to naturally be in a state it would require alcohol to be in for most people. Someone like that would talk about his exploits, and enjoy the company of people like Slick Willy on the golf course.

    My hypothesis is that Trump enjoys sex with beautiful strangers because it’s prima facie frickin’ awesome, not because he’s some nebbish out to project an image.

  4. @JohnnyD
    At first, I read the title as "Trump's Germanphobia."

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @German_reader

    Maybe I should spell the word as “germophobia?”

    Germans might tend to be more germophobic on average than others?

  5. I’m always surprised that studies like these are framed in a pathological paradigm, rather than an evolutionary one. It seems obvious that in a competitive, Darwinian world, you can’t pack all the good things into one brain and body that you might ideally like. This helps explain why a particular high-IQ group I’ve heard of ranks low in muscularity, physical beauty and sexual dimorphism and, relevant to the latter, high in predisposition to homosexuality.

    But I digress: excellent declarative memory is one evolutionary stable strategy, high sociability and social mimicry is another. No doubt there are natural limits on how much each can be packed into one brain before one starts taking from the other. Neither is pathological.

    Trump is a highly unusual human being. For instance, over a lifetime of practice, he seems to have dumbed-down his speech two or three standard deviations below his probable IQ, in order to become one of the most effective communicators America has ever seen. As a high IQ individual, he probably does tend naturally away from sociality somewhat, according to the laws of neurological parsimony I have implied above.

    However, he may well be almost as social for his IQ as those laws will allow, though not quite at the camel-in-the-needle level of Richard Feynman, who was amazingly social given his stratospheric IQ (supersmart Jews are probably better matched at this than supersmart NW Europeans – there is a grain of truth to Freudianism and Marcusianism).

    Give the guy a break – if he combines IQ and sociality almost as well as a smart goy physically can, let him brag a little about all the 8’s, 9’s and 10’s he’s bedded. I’d have been bragging with just one.

    • Replies: @Stephen R. Diamond
    @Jack Highlands

    Naive question: How can a person capable of interest in professional wrestling be smart?

    Replies: @SPMoore8, @Jack Highlands, @Cletus Rothschild, @Alfred1860

    , @Cletus Rothschild
    @Jack Highlands

    "I’m always surprised that studies like these are framed in a pathological paradigm, rather than an evolutionary one."

    Very good point that's worthy of its own lengthy discussion.

    ". . . For instance, over a lifetime of practice, he seems to have dumbed-down his speech two or three standard deviations below his probable IQ, in order to become one of the most effective communicators America has ever seen."

    Another good point. My own experience has borne this out as well, though obviously on the much smaller scale of my facebook page. I used to post links to sources that have been vetted via experience over the years; sources that are actually respectable and insightful. I'd pull an Englehart and preface the link with my own fairly lengthy take. A few people would read them and look forward to other posts, but most people would pass. When I post links to simpler -- and inciteful rather than insightful, with my own inciteful preface, the meme-sharers come out of the woodwork.

  6. I think Donald Trump has (undiagnosed) ADHD as well, which makes him seem a little bit ”nuts” to ”normal” people.

    https://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/trump-vs-the-real-nuts-the-gop-uniparty-establishment/#comment-1628522

    I believe ADHD is a real thing, but I think it is a good thing, and even necessary for Civilization to progress and to evolve. Please, read my following comments on the Why and the How

    https://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/trump-vs-the-real-nuts-the-gop-uniparty-establishment/#comment-1632994

    His uncle seems to have had OCD:

    Following Friedrich’s untimely death, John was financed through college, from bachelor to doctorate, by his brother Fred[citation needed], who had joined their mother in real estate development and management while still in his teens (Elizabeth Trump & Son). Initially, the brothers tried working together building houses, but John was a perfectionist who found it hard to compromise on his designs and accept commercial deadlines[citation needed]. The brothers dissolved their partnership, and John pursued a career in electrical engineering.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_G._Trump#Early_life

    Researchers discover genetic marker linked to OCD

    http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/276760.php

    Are We Misdiagnosing ADHD in Patients With OCD?

    How ADHD and OCD can co-occur is confounding, and some say that the disorders are polar opposites. ADHD is an externalizing disorder associated with impulsiveness and risk-taking behavior, mediated by dopaminergic neurochemistry. OCD, on the other hand, is an internalizing disorder associated with risk avoidance and restraint, neurochemically mediated by serotonin. Patients with OCD display frontostriatal hyperactivation whereas those with ADHD display frontostriatal hypoactivation.

    http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/adhd/are-we-misdiagnosing-adhd-patients-ocd

    I am leaning more towards the ADHD diagnosis, but OCD is a possibility, too. Maybe a bit of both?

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @FKA Max

    I know someone with ADD (not hyperactive type) and ODD, which I understand also frequently co-occurs with Attention Deficit problems, although I don't have a citation for that. ODD also fits Trump well:

    Oppositional Defiant Disorder (ODD) is characterized by the frequent occurrence of at least four of the following behaviors: losing temper, arguing with adults, actively defying or refusing to comply with the requests or rules of adults, deliberately doing things that will annoy other people, blaming others for his or ...

    It sounds like ODD is usually an adolescent diagnosis however.

    Replies: @anonguy, @Alfred1860, @Difference maker

  7. It’s not uncommon for people who are germophobes in general to make an exception in this area because they have a really high sex drive. Wasn’t there some study about how horniness lowers disgust sensitivity.

    • Replies: @anonguy
    @Thursday


    Wasn’t there some study about how horniness lowers disgust sensitivity.
     
    This seems like a self-evident statement. Isn't the whole purpose of sex drive to overcome resistance and compel individuals to the deed?
    , @Frayedthread
    @Thursday

    What about Michael Jackson then?

    , @Gabriel M
    @Thursday

    Is there any correlation at all? I mean it's not like homosexuals go around eating rotten fruit, quite the reverse I thought.

  8. What I want to know is whether he has cured himself of his germophobia with a year of touching strangers and shaking hands.

  9. @Anonym
    Unconvinced. Trump manages to get laid without the aid of alcohol, which is pretty impressive. It means he is uninhibited and relaxed enough to naturally be in a state it would require alcohol to be in for most people. Someone like that would talk about his exploits, and enjoy the company of people like Slick Willy on the golf course.

    My hypothesis is that Trump enjoys sex with beautiful strangers because it's prima facie frickin' awesome, not because he's some nebbish out to project an image.

    Replies: @yaqub the mad scientist

  10. @JohnnyD
    At first, I read the title as "Trump's Germanphobia."

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @German_reader

    Me too, read it as “Germanophobia”. Was afraid for a second Trump might punish Germany for German politicians’ insolence against him (but who knows, maybe he will?).

  11. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Clyde
    Germophobia is why Donald's version of ground game was flying around and speaking to large rallies rather than shaking hands at run down coffee shops and kissing babies? Maybe? I did see him kiss lots of women's cheeks on YouTube so who knows.
    Ask Melania, she's got the goods on Donald. Does she do any cooking at home? How about goulash? Does any super model? Developing... Stay tuned.

    National dish of Slovenia is Gibanica
    www.national-food.info/slovenia
    The recipe for preparing Gibanica national dish of Slovenia. The recipe is accompanied by information about Slovenia and Slovenia cuisine.

    Gibanica is a traditional pastry dish from Serbia popular all over the Balkans. It is usually made with white cheese and eggs. Recipes can range from sweet to savoury, and from simple to festive and elaborate multi-layered cakes.
    ________

    President Borut Pahor also got a chance to congratulate the Trumps and extend an invitation to visit Slovenia in a phone call on Wednesday.
    His office said the president had a "warm talk with the future first lady Melania Trump... and also transmitted her the best wishes of his partner Tanja Pecar".

    Replies: @Anon, @Alfred1860

    The rallies are a far more efficient way of meeting people. Take the coffee shop analogy. Assume you can make about 5 coffee shop stops in a day, and each lets you meet about 100 people. Your total of voters reached is 500 for that day. In a rally, you make 1 stop, and meet around 15,000. If you could schedule 2 rallies in a day, that’s 30,000. You have to pay for the rental space, but they deliver more potential voters for the time spent meeting people. Trump’s decision likely has nothing to do with germs and everything to do with more shrewd campaigning.

    Ahem. Professional politicians as a rule almost never do rallies. Why? They can’t even come close to filling the space. Voters just don’t care about politicians that much. Pols are not rock stars and they don’t have the draw. It’s not just Hillary being uncharismatic. Nearly all politicians are about as exciting as a pair of wet socks. Trump could do it because he’s spent 30 years building himself up as a celebrity, but a Jeb Bush or a Mitt Romney or other men of that ilk will not get the crowds. That’s why politicians always visit state fairs, etc. They have to go where the crowds are. The crowds don’t come to them.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anon

    Explain Bernie Sanders' rallies then.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    , @PiltdownMan
    @Anon


    The rallies are a far more efficient way of meeting people.
     
    And the word of mouth from a rally is far different. People at a rally hear a complete, cogent speech and relay it to others. People at a coffee stop hear very little, and have little word-of-mouth wisdom and just personal impressions to relay.

    If every person who meets or sees and hears a candidate in person passes on a positive impression to five others, that's 150,000 people who hear about Donald Trump's ideas from someone who "went and saw him yesterday at the rally", versus 2,500 people who hear "I didn't quite get to Hillary and couldn't quite overhear what she said in the coffee shop, but she seemed kinda nice."

    If you can pull in the crowds, rallies can be very powerful in drumming up support, even if you are a political unknown.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    , @Lurker
    @Anon


    That’s why politicians always visit state fairs, etc. They have to go where the crowds are. The crowds don’t come to them.
     
    Agree. AKAIK The only big crowd Hillary played to was at the DNC.
  12. I’ve shared with [X] that Trump talks about his sex life a lot more than other alpha males.

    “…a lot more than…” is somewhat relative to the nebulous sub-population of alpha males. How many people will personally know more than a few alphas? Far to few for such a particularized generalization…

    Our media is saturated with voyeurism and vicariousness regarding celebrities and sex. What revealing behind-the-scenes anecdote about Trump is going to reach public attention? Branding decisions? Discussions of hotel amenities? Details of acquisitions and finance? Or sex?

    • Replies: @anonguy
    @Forbes


    “…a lot more than…” is somewhat relative to the nebulous sub-population of alpha males. How many people will personally know more than a few alphas? Far to few for such a particularized generalization…
     
    Another good point. And even if someone knew lots, it would still just be an anecdotal observation on their part.

    And that assumes that the notion of "alpha male" is any sort of accurate description of reality rather than simply being part of the mythology/lexicon of PUA.
  13. @FKA Max

    I think Donald Trump has (undiagnosed) ADHD as well, which makes him seem a little bit ”nuts” to ”normal” people.
     
    - https://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/trump-vs-the-real-nuts-the-gop-uniparty-establishment/#comment-1628522

    I believe ADHD is a real thing, but I think it is a good thing, and even necessary for Civilization to progress and to evolve. Please, read my following comments on the Why and the How
     
    - https://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/trump-vs-the-real-nuts-the-gop-uniparty-establishment/#comment-1632994

    His uncle seems to have had OCD:

    Following Friedrich's untimely death, John was financed through college, from bachelor to doctorate, by his brother Fred[citation needed], who had joined their mother in real estate development and management while still in his teens (Elizabeth Trump & Son). Initially, the brothers tried working together building houses, but John was a perfectionist who found it hard to compromise on his designs and accept commercial deadlines[citation needed]. The brothers dissolved their partnership, and John pursued a career in electrical engineering.
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_G._Trump#Early_life

    Researchers discover genetic marker linked to OCD

    http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/276760.php

    Are We Misdiagnosing ADHD in Patients With OCD?

    How ADHD and OCD can co-occur is confounding, and some say that the disorders are polar opposites. ADHD is an externalizing disorder associated with impulsiveness and risk-taking behavior, mediated by dopaminergic neurochemistry. OCD, on the other hand, is an internalizing disorder associated with risk avoidance and restraint, neurochemically mediated by serotonin. Patients with OCD display frontostriatal hyperactivation whereas those with ADHD display frontostriatal hypoactivation.
     
    - http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/adhd/are-we-misdiagnosing-adhd-patients-ocd

    I am leaning more towards the ADHD diagnosis, but OCD is a possibility, too. Maybe a bit of both?

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    I know someone with ADD (not hyperactive type) and ODD, which I understand also frequently co-occurs with Attention Deficit problems, although I don’t have a citation for that. ODD also fits Trump well:

    Oppositional Defiant Disorder (ODD) is characterized by the frequent occurrence of at least four of the following behaviors: losing temper, arguing with adults, actively defying or refusing to comply with the requests or rules of adults, deliberately doing things that will annoy other people, blaming others for his or …

    It sounds like ODD is usually an adolescent diagnosis however.

    • Replies: @anonguy
    @Chrisnonymous


    It sounds like ODD is usually an adolescent diagnosis however.
     
    Actually, I think only minors can be diagnosed with ODD. It is more or less a diagnosis of of a precursor to sociopathy/ASPD which can only be diagnosed in adults.

    In fact, you can't be diagnosed with ASPD as an adult unless you exhibited ODD behaviors before you were 15.

    Disclaimer - I personally think these types of "syndromes" are synthetic concepts, medicalizing one end of the spectrum of human behavior.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    , @Alfred1860
    @Chrisnonymous

    ODD is a bullshit diagnosis they came up with as a rationale for selling more prescription drugs to little boys that by their very nature don't fit into our current bullshit education system.

    , @Difference maker
    @Chrisnonymous

    Aye, as Alfred alludes to, it is actually about delegitimizing masculine behavior. What you interpret as resembling a result from a lacking or dysfunctional executive is actually about jockeying for power

  14. My hypothesis is sex with strangers grosses him out

    Just don’t buy it, not with regards young, attractive women. There is too much contrary data.

    Datum

    The handshake and touching aversion is not that uncommon, I’ve come across it a few times in women and men, and the women were not averse to a roll in the hay. It is what it is, nothing more.

  15. This theory is supported by his nerdy bragging on the Access Hollywood tape.

  16. BTW, Steve,

    right now on the “Teasers” page of your Unz blog, the last visible post is the July 7, 2016 one. Something wrong with that Teasers page…

  17. I’ve shared with [X] that Trump talks about his sex life a lot more than other alpha males. My hypothesis is sex with strangers grosses him out but is contrary to the image he wants to project. A guy who is a tee-totaler workaholic is pretty boring in general, so he compensates with perception.

    I’m not buying this either. IMO, he is a lifelong fan/connoisseur of female beauty, for example, all the beauty contest stuff, that isn’t just window dressing.

    Anyhow, you can be plenty promiscuous without having sex with “strangers”, it often doesn’t take very long to find a spark with a compatible person after which point they are no longer a stranger.

    I would guess in that vein that Trump, like most healthy people, enjoys sex most in the context of a larger romantic relationship however fleeting and tenuous it might be. I’d be surprised if he ever had much of a pattern of call girls a la Spitzer.

    I’m not sure his talking about sex more than most guys who are successful with women signifies anything. Generally, he talks about a lot of stuff in very vivid fashion that gets everyone’s attention.

    Hint: this is not an accident.

    Anyhow, at this point, I’m unconvinced that the way he talks about sex has more significance about his attitudes towards sex than it does about how he talks/negotiates about everything.

    • Replies: @boogerbently
    @anonguy

    It's just another attempt to put down all things white/male/hetero

  18. @Forbes

    I’ve shared with [X] that Trump talks about his sex life a lot more than other alpha males.
     
    "...a lot more than..." is somewhat relative to the nebulous sub-population of alpha males. How many people will personally know more than a few alphas? Far to few for such a particularized generalization...

    Our media is saturated with voyeurism and vicariousness regarding celebrities and sex. What revealing behind-the-scenes anecdote about Trump is going to reach public attention? Branding decisions? Discussions of hotel amenities? Details of acquisitions and finance? Or sex?

    Replies: @anonguy

    “…a lot more than…” is somewhat relative to the nebulous sub-population of alpha males. How many people will personally know more than a few alphas? Far to few for such a particularized generalization…

    Another good point. And even if someone knew lots, it would still just be an anecdotal observation on their part.

    And that assumes that the notion of “alpha male” is any sort of accurate description of reality rather than simply being part of the mythology/lexicon of PUA.

  19. @Thursday
    It's not uncommon for people who are germophobes in general to make an exception in this area because they have a really high sex drive. Wasn't there some study about how horniness lowers disgust sensitivity.

    Replies: @anonguy, @Frayedthread, @Gabriel M

    Wasn’t there some study about how horniness lowers disgust sensitivity.

    This seems like a self-evident statement. Isn’t the whole purpose of sex drive to overcome resistance and compel individuals to the deed?

  20. Trump orders his steaks well done…?

  21. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/nov/22/transgender-cyclist-places-first-among-women-arizo/

    This just gets better and better.

    US is for fluidity, not solidity, certainly not for solidarity.

    ‘She’ won.

  22. I’ve read speculation that ten year old Barron is autistic. His mother was quoted as saying that he likes to spend hours playing by himself and making sure that his room is clean and white. And of course it was sixty year old sperm that sired him. (And Donald said a while back that he knew of a two year old who became autistic after getting vaccinated).

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Flip

    I doubt it. Genuine autistic kids are very socially impaired and would have a rotten time at a New York prep school. He may have a mild case of Aspergers, or have a bit of OCD, but I doubt it's anything serious for him. His dad is smart, and intelligent kids are good at entertaining themselves and can get caught up in a subject for hours. Barron's ability to concentrate bodes well for his future success in life. Inability to stick to anything or finish something is a path to failure.

    Replies: @PV van der Byl

    , @Alfred1860
    @Flip

    No way Barron could have stood on stage beside his dad at 3:00 am in front of a pulsing mob of supporters if he even had just Asperger's, I wouldn't think. He appeared a bit self-conscious, as anyone would, but certainly not socially maladapted.

  23. @Chrisnonymous
    @FKA Max

    I know someone with ADD (not hyperactive type) and ODD, which I understand also frequently co-occurs with Attention Deficit problems, although I don't have a citation for that. ODD also fits Trump well:

    Oppositional Defiant Disorder (ODD) is characterized by the frequent occurrence of at least four of the following behaviors: losing temper, arguing with adults, actively defying or refusing to comply with the requests or rules of adults, deliberately doing things that will annoy other people, blaming others for his or ...

    It sounds like ODD is usually an adolescent diagnosis however.

    Replies: @anonguy, @Alfred1860, @Difference maker

    It sounds like ODD is usually an adolescent diagnosis however.

    Actually, I think only minors can be diagnosed with ODD. It is more or less a diagnosis of of a precursor to sociopathy/ASPD which can only be diagnosed in adults.

    In fact, you can’t be diagnosed with ASPD as an adult unless you exhibited ODD behaviors before you were 15.

    Disclaimer – I personally think these types of “syndromes” are synthetic concepts, medicalizing one end of the spectrum of human behavior.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @anonguy

    Yes, and convictions are just a way of criminalizing one end of the spectrum of human behavior, but we still find them useful. I would submit that there is a difference between the fakery of, eg, medicalizing rambunctious boys and the fakery of, eg, medicalizing kids who show signs of wanting to commit violence against anyone who doesn't indulge them.

    Replies: @anonguy

  24. @Anon
    @Clyde

    The rallies are a far more efficient way of meeting people. Take the coffee shop analogy. Assume you can make about 5 coffee shop stops in a day, and each lets you meet about 100 people. Your total of voters reached is 500 for that day. In a rally, you make 1 stop, and meet around 15,000. If you could schedule 2 rallies in a day, that's 30,000. You have to pay for the rental space, but they deliver more potential voters for the time spent meeting people. Trump's decision likely has nothing to do with germs and everything to do with more shrewd campaigning.

    Ahem. Professional politicians as a rule almost never do rallies. Why? They can't even come close to filling the space. Voters just don't care about politicians that much. Pols are not rock stars and they don't have the draw. It's not just Hillary being uncharismatic. Nearly all politicians are about as exciting as a pair of wet socks. Trump could do it because he's spent 30 years building himself up as a celebrity, but a Jeb Bush or a Mitt Romney or other men of that ilk will not get the crowds. That's why politicians always visit state fairs, etc. They have to go where the crowds are. The crowds don't come to them.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @PiltdownMan, @Lurker

    Explain Bernie Sanders’ rallies then.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Anonymous

    Sanders and Trump are the only nationally-known politicians who speak to the concerns of ordinary people. The rest of the political class are pawns of the oligarchy and military-industrial complex.

    Replies: @Lurker

  25. Another personally fastidious though not evidently germophobic American who was also rather dyslexic was General George S. Patton. Some months ago it occurred to me that Mr. Trump and General Patton also have had in common the disposition to plain, blunt speech.

    • Replies: @dearieme
    @Auntie Analogue

    Oh dear. Patton was pretty much deranged in the end.

    Replies: @middle aged vet

  26. So the very driven germaphobe Howard Hughes was just pretending to bed half of Hollywood for image reasons.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Anonymous


    So the very driven germaphobe Howard Hughes was just pretending to bed half of Hollywood for image reasons.
     
    Hughes didn't become a germaphobe until after "the accident." If I recall correctly, he was seriously burned on about 80% of his body. During burn rehab, being a germaphobe can keep you alive. The overall trauma of the crash, along with his hellacious concussion, probably led to some brain damage which enhanced certain obsessive proclivities. You only need a good smack to the head once for your thought process to get a bit wacky.
    Nobody considered him odd before the crash. He was highly regarded. His employee's loved him.
  27. About two weeks ago I came down with a flu that I haven’t fully recovered from yet. What is this “germophobia” of which you speak? Right now it’s looking like rational behavior to me.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @CJ

    Bill Clinton was sick with colds and flus throughout the 1992 campaign. In 1996 he had his body man carry Purell alcohol gel and sterilize Bill's hands after every rope line.

    Replies: @anonguy

  28. @anonguy
    @Chrisnonymous


    It sounds like ODD is usually an adolescent diagnosis however.
     
    Actually, I think only minors can be diagnosed with ODD. It is more or less a diagnosis of of a precursor to sociopathy/ASPD which can only be diagnosed in adults.

    In fact, you can't be diagnosed with ASPD as an adult unless you exhibited ODD behaviors before you were 15.

    Disclaimer - I personally think these types of "syndromes" are synthetic concepts, medicalizing one end of the spectrum of human behavior.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    Yes, and convictions are just a way of criminalizing one end of the spectrum of human behavior, but we still find them useful. I would submit that there is a difference between the fakery of, eg, medicalizing rambunctious boys and the fakery of, eg, medicalizing kids who show signs of wanting to commit violence against anyone who doesn’t indulge them.

    • Replies: @anonguy
    @Chrisnonymous


    Yes, and convictions are just a way of criminalizing one end of the spectrum of human behavior, but we still find them useful. I would submit that there is a difference between the fakery of, eg, medicalizing rambunctious boys and the fakery of, eg, medicalizing kids who show signs of wanting to commit violence against anyone who doesn’t indulge them.
     
    At the end of the day, it seems it is just whose end of the spectrum is respectively legitimized/delegitimized. Who has the megaphone, again is to what things distill.

    Every cycle is a progression, a cycle of evolution and application of an objective function, ironically the most subjetive thing going. and a correction to the next manifest plane.

    Keep at it.
  29. @CJ
    About two weeks ago I came down with a flu that I haven't fully recovered from yet. What is this "germophobia" of which you speak? Right now it's looking like rational behavior to me.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Bill Clinton was sick with colds and flus throughout the 1992 campaign. In 1996 he had his body man carry Purell alcohol gel and sterilize Bill’s hands after every rope line.

    • Replies: @anonguy
    @Steve Sailer


    In 1996 he had his body man carry Purell alcohol gel and sterilize Bill’s hands after every rope line
     
    .

    At first blush, this seems entirely rational.
  30. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Flip
    I've read speculation that ten year old Barron is autistic. His mother was quoted as saying that he likes to spend hours playing by himself and making sure that his room is clean and white. And of course it was sixty year old sperm that sired him. (And Donald said a while back that he knew of a two year old who became autistic after getting vaccinated).

    Replies: @Anon, @Alfred1860

    I doubt it. Genuine autistic kids are very socially impaired and would have a rotten time at a New York prep school. He may have a mild case of Aspergers, or have a bit of OCD, but I doubt it’s anything serious for him. His dad is smart, and intelligent kids are good at entertaining themselves and can get caught up in a subject for hours. Barron’s ability to concentrate bodes well for his future success in life. Inability to stick to anything or finish something is a path to failure.

    • Replies: @PV van der Byl
    @Anon

    Agreed.

    Barron goes to Columbia Grammar, an intensely competitive private school on Manhattan's west side.

    He could not have remained there this long had he been autistic.

  31. @Auntie Analogue
    Another personally fastidious though not evidently germophobic American who was also rather dyslexic was General George S. Patton. Some months ago it occurred to me that Mr. Trump and General Patton also have had in common the disposition to plain, blunt speech.

    Replies: @dearieme

    Oh dear. Patton was pretty much deranged in the end.

    • Replies: @middle aged vet
    @dearieme

    Maybe not deranged, just tired,as you would be too after all those long African and European afternoons with all those loud armored tanks so inconsiderately revving their engines again and again. One or two thousand days of that would make anyone over the age of 20 tired, much less someone who actually was almost elderly (based on the threescore and ten allotment from Patton's beloved Bible). We younger men should cut our elders some slack.

  32. @Jack Highlands
    I'm always surprised that studies like these are framed in a pathological paradigm, rather than an evolutionary one. It seems obvious that in a competitive, Darwinian world, you can't pack all the good things into one brain and body that you might ideally like. This helps explain why a particular high-IQ group I've heard of ranks low in muscularity, physical beauty and sexual dimorphism and, relevant to the latter, high in predisposition to homosexuality.

    But I digress: excellent declarative memory is one evolutionary stable strategy, high sociability and social mimicry is another. No doubt there are natural limits on how much each can be packed into one brain before one starts taking from the other. Neither is pathological.

    Trump is a highly unusual human being. For instance, over a lifetime of practice, he seems to have dumbed-down his speech two or three standard deviations below his probable IQ, in order to become one of the most effective communicators America has ever seen. As a high IQ individual, he probably does tend naturally away from sociality somewhat, according to the laws of neurological parsimony I have implied above.

    However, he may well be almost as social for his IQ as those laws will allow, though not quite at the camel-in-the-needle level of Richard Feynman, who was amazingly social given his stratospheric IQ (supersmart Jews are probably better matched at this than supersmart NW Europeans - there is a grain of truth to Freudianism and Marcusianism).

    Give the guy a break - if he combines IQ and sociality almost as well as a smart goy physically can, let him brag a little about all the 8's, 9's and 10's he's bedded. I'd have been bragging with just one.

    Replies: @Stephen R. Diamond, @Cletus Rothschild

    Naive question: How can a person capable of interest in professional wrestling be smart?

    • Disagree: antipater_1
    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    @Stephen R. Diamond

    I think smart people can be in interested in trivial things (like professonal wrestling) because it allows for mental recreation. Arturo Toscanini was supposed to be a big wrestling fan (on TV). Clearly, he was very bright and had an eidetic memory as well. Ludwig Wittgenstein was supposed to relax by watching trashy movies (Westerns, IIRC). And the ranks of bright people who are sports fan is legion; I recall one Nobel prize winner being informed of his prize while he was at a baseball game.

    Personally, I haven't watched pro wrestling in a long time, but there is massive stupidity to it that is actually entertaining.

    Replies: @Marty T, @BenKenobi

    , @Jack Highlands
    @Stephen R. Diamond

    Well, I'm interested in at least one aspect of professional wrestling - its status as a continuation of the medieval morality play - but then, I'm nowhere near as smart as Trump. He manages to turn even his more trivial interests, like wrestling, into profitable endeavors with great friends like Vince McMahon, whereas I'll probably struggle to eke out my old age to come.

    , @Cletus Rothschild
    @Stephen R. Diamond

    "Naive question: How can a person capable of interest in professional wrestling be smart?"

    Using very simplistic and brash showmanship to appeal to vast numbers of common folk and making vast sums of money in the process? Understand what makes simpletons tick and you can make a lot of money from them. And in this case, you have a clearly fictional contest, yet people love it anyway. Sounds like a perfect way to help an intelligent businessman diversify.

    Replies: @anon

    , @Alfred1860
    @Stephen R. Diamond

    N=1, but I'm in the 99.5th percentile for intelligence and my favourite movie, by a mile, is Nacho Libre. I can't explain it other than to say it makes me laugh.

  33. This is a really great narrative to push about Trump: He is boring and over compensates with the sexual hyperbole. The straight edge stuff never gets brought up.

  34. PiltdownWoman went through a minor bout of obsessive germaphobia during a phase when our kids would repeatedly come back from school with colds and sniffles they had, presumably, picked up from their classmates.

    But after reading a couple of research articles online, she got over it. Basically, cold germs live for a very short while on fabrics and tissue, but for half a day or so on hard metallic surfaces like doorknobs and elevator buttons.

    We instituted the practical measure of making sure the kids washed their hands thoroughly every time they entered the house from outside. I don’t know if that was it, but they rarely seem to catch colds now.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2825955

  35. @Thursday
    It's not uncommon for people who are germophobes in general to make an exception in this area because they have a really high sex drive. Wasn't there some study about how horniness lowers disgust sensitivity.

    Replies: @anonguy, @Frayedthread, @Gabriel M

    What about Michael Jackson then?

  36. @Stephen R. Diamond
    @Jack Highlands

    Naive question: How can a person capable of interest in professional wrestling be smart?

    Replies: @SPMoore8, @Jack Highlands, @Cletus Rothschild, @Alfred1860

    I think smart people can be in interested in trivial things (like professonal wrestling) because it allows for mental recreation. Arturo Toscanini was supposed to be a big wrestling fan (on TV). Clearly, he was very bright and had an eidetic memory as well. Ludwig Wittgenstein was supposed to relax by watching trashy movies (Westerns, IIRC). And the ranks of bright people who are sports fan is legion; I recall one Nobel prize winner being informed of his prize while he was at a baseball game.

    Personally, I haven’t watched pro wrestling in a long time, but there is massive stupidity to it that is actually entertaining.

    • Replies: @Marty T
    @SPMoore8

    I can't watch pro wrestling, but I'd love to go to a monster truck rally or a snowmobile race.

    I'm mildly germophobic, but when a hot woman is involved that generally goes out the window.

    , @BenKenobi
    @SPMoore8

    The Macho Man Randy Savage recently became an interest among my circle of friends a few months ago. I always considered pro-wrestling rather stupid as a young man.
    But watching a few of these clips as an adult I was amazed: it was incredible comedy. Muscle-bound, coked out goons clowning around in an absurd soap opera. I laughed my ass off.

    Doing just a little background digging revealed even better stories. The real reason Macho Man and Hulk hated each other was a totally NSFW story about Macho Man's real wife Miss Elizabeth, who was also on the show.

    Here's a couple choice clips. Note the announcer's perfect straight-man performance. The last one is Macho Man clearly dislodging some coke deposit up his nose, reacting to it and then running off camera.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C4lK41SX-Q
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw62C1MBKJc
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIaK3hEJiX0

  37. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    So the very driven germaphobe Howard Hughes was just pretending to bed half of Hollywood for image reasons.

    Replies: @anon

    So the very driven germaphobe Howard Hughes was just pretending to bed half of Hollywood for image reasons.

    Hughes didn’t become a germaphobe until after “the accident.” If I recall correctly, he was seriously burned on about 80% of his body. During burn rehab, being a germaphobe can keep you alive. The overall trauma of the crash, along with his hellacious concussion, probably led to some brain damage which enhanced certain obsessive proclivities. You only need a good smack to the head once for your thought process to get a bit wacky.
    Nobody considered him odd before the crash. He was highly regarded. His employee’s loved him.

  38. @dearieme
    @Auntie Analogue

    Oh dear. Patton was pretty much deranged in the end.

    Replies: @middle aged vet

    Maybe not deranged, just tired,as you would be too after all those long African and European afternoons with all those loud armored tanks so inconsiderately revving their engines again and again. One or two thousand days of that would make anyone over the age of 20 tired, much less someone who actually was almost elderly (based on the threescore and ten allotment from Patton’s beloved Bible). We younger men should cut our elders some slack.

  39. @Stephen R. Diamond
    @Jack Highlands

    Naive question: How can a person capable of interest in professional wrestling be smart?

    Replies: @SPMoore8, @Jack Highlands, @Cletus Rothschild, @Alfred1860

    Well, I’m interested in at least one aspect of professional wrestling – its status as a continuation of the medieval morality play – but then, I’m nowhere near as smart as Trump. He manages to turn even his more trivial interests, like wrestling, into profitable endeavors with great friends like Vince McMahon, whereas I’ll probably struggle to eke out my old age to come.

  40. @Anonymous
    @Anon

    Explain Bernie Sanders' rallies then.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    Sanders and Trump are the only nationally-known politicians who speak to the concerns of ordinary people. The rest of the political class are pawns of the oligarchy and military-industrial complex.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I did wonder if Trump might find a job for Sanders. Not very likely but maybe not impossible? The dissonance that would cause among some of the left would be delicious.

  41. My dad had and my sister has debilitating OCD, but it didn’t/doesn’t seem to affect their social abilities. I get stage fright more than either of them, and I am perhaps a bit hypochondriac but not so OCD. A few of my other friends are borderline OCD and/or germophobic as well. They are mainly northern European, but at least as much British Isles heritage as Germanic — probably a little more so.

    I don’t see any evidence of Trump being dyslexic. AFAIK, he has no problem reading a teleprompter. Real dyslexics can’t pull that off. Honestly, I don’t think he’s OCD, either. Or all that germophobic. He might be “on the spectrum” in that regard, but it doesn’t seem to get in his way, so objectively speaking it can’t be much of a problem for him. If you know people afflicted with this problem it’s not just some little quirk like being a picky eater. It can be a real disability.

    What’s exceptional about Trump is his extreme competitiveness. “Winning” isn’t just a catchphrase for him — it’s a mandate. That’s different, but it isn’t a disability in our culture.

    • Replies: @PV van der Byl
    @Bill P

    Are there degrees of dyslexia?

    Might someone with mild dyslexia be able to read a teleprompter with concerted effort but not be able to relax with a pile of books?

    If so, that might explain why he went to teleprompters in the latter part of his campaign while (I have read) having almost no books on the shelves of his apartment.

  42. I won’t say why, but I have a deep understanding of this subject.

    I’m glad to see this perspective on Mr. Trump. I think a lot of his eccentricity can be understood this way. It is to his credit.

    (BTW my wife and I have observed that his son, Barron, appears to suffer from some form of this. God bless him and help him.)

    You see, people who suffer from such things tend to be very smart. It is a curse they endure. Some do better than others. Donald Trump has done very well working with what God gave him. I understand, and that is why I give him so much credit.

    As for sexual conquests and the balm they provide: Yes. That is all I will say.

    OCD forces highly intelligent people to use their declarative memory to compensate for being robbed of the use of their procedural memory. The things that come naturally, without thought, to everyone else, require massive amounts of attention. This can destroy a person. Imagine if every time you tried to get dressed in the morning it was like preparing for a moon shot. I’m not exaggerating. Some people of great ability, with herculean effort, manage to overcome this. Others die, or kill themselves, or end up in institutions, or become eccentric writers.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Buzz Mohawk

    If you are referring to his son's slightly twitchy behavior at his father's victory speech, it could have had to do with the fact that it was well past the kid's bedtime

    , @Lurker
    @Buzz Mohawk


    Imagine if every time you tried to get dressed in the morning it was like preparing for a moon shot.
     
    Taking this literally. DJT seems to have dressed in the same general style ever since he appeared on my radar in the 80s. That must save on time, thought, stress etc. Probably saves money too.

    Replies: @PV van der Byl, @OFWHAP

  43. How are we concluding Trump has a high IQ? He grew up in a rich NY family yet was a transfer student into UPenn and did not graduate with honors

    And why are we not asking for his transcripts like Obama?

    Trump might just be a narcissist

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @anon

    Some very high IQ people end up taking "the road less traveled," with rotten transcripts and odd histories -- because they are contending with things you have no idea of.

    Let the man breathe, and see him work. He is a thoroughbred horse. You are an internet commenter.

    , @PiltdownMan
    @anon

    College can be a strange, jumbled time of life and experience for some students, with not everything unfolding according to a neat script. This has nothing to do with intellect or ability. I think the Sixties generation understood this better.

    Now, the unspoken default expectation seems to be a sort of Tiger Mom-ish dream sequence—high school, great SATs, wonderful college, dean's list, Goldman Sachs etc.

    Donald Trump is rich as Croesus, far beyond anything his father left him. He's no dummy.

    Replies: @anon

  44. @anon
    How are we concluding Trump has a high IQ? He grew up in a rich NY family yet was a transfer student into UPenn and did not graduate with honors

    And why are we not asking for his transcripts like Obama?

    Trump might just be a narcissist

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @PiltdownMan

    Some very high IQ people end up taking “the road less traveled,” with rotten transcripts and odd histories — because they are contending with things you have no idea of.

    Let the man breathe, and see him work. He is a thoroughbred horse. You are an internet commenter.

    • Agree: anonguy
  45. @Anon
    @Clyde

    The rallies are a far more efficient way of meeting people. Take the coffee shop analogy. Assume you can make about 5 coffee shop stops in a day, and each lets you meet about 100 people. Your total of voters reached is 500 for that day. In a rally, you make 1 stop, and meet around 15,000. If you could schedule 2 rallies in a day, that's 30,000. You have to pay for the rental space, but they deliver more potential voters for the time spent meeting people. Trump's decision likely has nothing to do with germs and everything to do with more shrewd campaigning.

    Ahem. Professional politicians as a rule almost never do rallies. Why? They can't even come close to filling the space. Voters just don't care about politicians that much. Pols are not rock stars and they don't have the draw. It's not just Hillary being uncharismatic. Nearly all politicians are about as exciting as a pair of wet socks. Trump could do it because he's spent 30 years building himself up as a celebrity, but a Jeb Bush or a Mitt Romney or other men of that ilk will not get the crowds. That's why politicians always visit state fairs, etc. They have to go where the crowds are. The crowds don't come to them.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @PiltdownMan, @Lurker

    The rallies are a far more efficient way of meeting people.

    And the word of mouth from a rally is far different. People at a rally hear a complete, cogent speech and relay it to others. People at a coffee stop hear very little, and have little word-of-mouth wisdom and just personal impressions to relay.

    If every person who meets or sees and hears a candidate in person passes on a positive impression to five others, that’s 150,000 people who hear about Donald Trump’s ideas from someone who “went and saw him yesterday at the rally”, versus 2,500 people who hear “I didn’t quite get to Hillary and couldn’t quite overhear what she said in the coffee shop, but she seemed kinda nice.”

    If you can pull in the crowds, rallies can be very powerful in drumming up support, even if you are a political unknown.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @PiltdownMan

    Encountering a modern politician - especially one who has secret service protection - can be a really unpleasant experience. Imagine you're sitting in a cafe having lunch - a place you went to specifically to have a nice meal - and some authoritarian a**holes with suits, sunglasses, and earpieces come in and tell everyone to stay put, not to leave, not to make any sudden moves, etc., just so that Hillary, pretending to be a real person who cares, can get a few photo-ops for the news-cycle.

    The lengths that the SS go to protect the President and certain other of their clients are often ridiculous, onerous, and unbecoming of a republic. I work with a guy who, while going about his everyday business, happened to wind up where some VIPs were going to be (one time it was Bush the Elder, one time it was Cheney). The secret service just treated all the bystanders like garbage.

    At least when you go to a rally, you are deciding yourself to go there, rather than it being an unplanned, and unwelcome, intrusion.

  46. @Chrisnonymous
    @anonguy

    Yes, and convictions are just a way of criminalizing one end of the spectrum of human behavior, but we still find them useful. I would submit that there is a difference between the fakery of, eg, medicalizing rambunctious boys and the fakery of, eg, medicalizing kids who show signs of wanting to commit violence against anyone who doesn't indulge them.

    Replies: @anonguy

    Yes, and convictions are just a way of criminalizing one end of the spectrum of human behavior, but we still find them useful. I would submit that there is a difference between the fakery of, eg, medicalizing rambunctious boys and the fakery of, eg, medicalizing kids who show signs of wanting to commit violence against anyone who doesn’t indulge them.

    At the end of the day, it seems it is just whose end of the spectrum is respectively legitimized/delegitimized. Who has the megaphone, again is to what things distill.

    Every cycle is a progression, a cycle of evolution and application of an objective function, ironically the most subjetive thing going. and a correction to the next manifest plane.

    Keep at it.

  47. @anon
    How are we concluding Trump has a high IQ? He grew up in a rich NY family yet was a transfer student into UPenn and did not graduate with honors

    And why are we not asking for his transcripts like Obama?

    Trump might just be a narcissist

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @PiltdownMan

    College can be a strange, jumbled time of life and experience for some students, with not everything unfolding according to a neat script. This has nothing to do with intellect or ability. I think the Sixties generation understood this better.

    Now, the unspoken default expectation seems to be a sort of Tiger Mom-ish dream sequence—high school, great SATs, wonderful college, dean’s list, Goldman Sachs etc.

    Donald Trump is rich as Croesus, far beyond anything his father left him. He’s no dummy.

    • Replies: @anon
    @PiltdownMan

    Trump is certainly not dumb and may be the slickest salesman off all time but he himself claimed a very high IQ while previously harassing president Obama for college transcripts. I'd like to see his.

  48. @Steve Sailer
    @CJ

    Bill Clinton was sick with colds and flus throughout the 1992 campaign. In 1996 he had his body man carry Purell alcohol gel and sterilize Bill's hands after every rope line.

    Replies: @anonguy

    In 1996 he had his body man carry Purell alcohol gel and sterilize Bill’s hands after every rope line

    .

    At first blush, this seems entirely rational.

  49. • Replies: @Anon
    @Anonymous

    I keep hearing stuff by reporters about Trump who are claiming access that seems unlikely. Did Trump really let a Huffpo reporter listen in on a private phone call he made to Erdogan? I highly doubt it.

    If the Huffpo people are hearing things, and Trump's taken the precaution of kicking people out of the room when he makes phone calls so he can have privacy, then I'm afraid Obama has ordered Trump's phone or rooms to be bugged and is leaking information to rags like Huffpo. Considering all the things the media's been getting wrong about Trump, they may just be making things up.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  50. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-turning-away-intelligence-briefers-since-election-win/2016/11/23/5cc643c4-b1ae-11e6-be1c-8cec35b1ad25_story.html

    https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/801614918546063361

    Replies: @Anon

    I keep hearing stuff by reporters about Trump who are claiming access that seems unlikely. Did Trump really let a Huffpo reporter listen in on a private phone call he made to Erdogan? I highly doubt it.

    If the Huffpo people are hearing things, and Trump’s taken the precaution of kicking people out of the room when he makes phone calls so he can have privacy, then I’m afraid Obama has ordered Trump’s phone or rooms to be bugged and is leaking information to rags like Huffpo. Considering all the things the media’s been getting wrong about Trump, they may just be making things up.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    Gulen's guys had Erdogan bugged a few years ago.

    Replies: @Anon

  51. @Anon
    @Anonymous

    I keep hearing stuff by reporters about Trump who are claiming access that seems unlikely. Did Trump really let a Huffpo reporter listen in on a private phone call he made to Erdogan? I highly doubt it.

    If the Huffpo people are hearing things, and Trump's taken the precaution of kicking people out of the room when he makes phone calls so he can have privacy, then I'm afraid Obama has ordered Trump's phone or rooms to be bugged and is leaking information to rags like Huffpo. Considering all the things the media's been getting wrong about Trump, they may just be making things up.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Gulen’s guys had Erdogan bugged a few years ago.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Steve Sailer

    It may be likely. But Gulen would have to have a connection to Huffpo to pass information to them. If Gulen wants Erdogan's overthrow, and Obama/Hillary/the leftists are sort of supporting Erdogan, (or the current Turkish status quo), how would that benefit Gulen? I don't see how it would work in Gulen's favor.

  52. Anonymous [AKA "Tec Andrews"] says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    I won't say why, but I have a deep understanding of this subject.

    I'm glad to see this perspective on Mr. Trump. I think a lot of his eccentricity can be understood this way. It is to his credit.

    (BTW my wife and I have observed that his son, Barron, appears to suffer from some form of this. God bless him and help him.)

    You see, people who suffer from such things tend to be very smart. It is a curse they endure. Some do better than others. Donald Trump has done very well working with what God gave him. I understand, and that is why I give him so much credit.

    As for sexual conquests and the balm they provide: Yes. That is all I will say.

    OCD forces highly intelligent people to use their declarative memory to compensate for being robbed of the use of their procedural memory. The things that come naturally, without thought, to everyone else, require massive amounts of attention. This can destroy a person. Imagine if every time you tried to get dressed in the morning it was like preparing for a moon shot. I'm not exaggerating. Some people of great ability, with herculean effort, manage to overcome this. Others die, or kill themselves, or end up in institutions, or become eccentric writers.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Lurker

    If you are referring to his son’s slightly twitchy behavior at his father’s victory speech, it could have had to do with the fact that it was well past the kid’s bedtime

    • Agree: TWS
  53. @Stephen R. Diamond
    @Jack Highlands

    Naive question: How can a person capable of interest in professional wrestling be smart?

    Replies: @SPMoore8, @Jack Highlands, @Cletus Rothschild, @Alfred1860

    “Naive question: How can a person capable of interest in professional wrestling be smart?”

    Using very simplistic and brash showmanship to appeal to vast numbers of common folk and making vast sums of money in the process? Understand what makes simpletons tick and you can make a lot of money from them. And in this case, you have a clearly fictional contest, yet people love it anyway. Sounds like a perfect way to help an intelligent businessman diversify.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Cletus Rothschild

    Is Trump actually interested in wrestling or attention? I think the pattern has been seeking attention and his name in the press to increase exposure of his brand. This explains Trump steaks, Trump water, Trump airlines, Trump U, Trump magazine. None of these would seem appealing to a normal billionaire with bigger fish to fry but his brand is his business. So he may be a good president or this will the biggest marketing ploy in history for TRUMP. He has stated in interviews that his worst fear is to be forgotten. It seems almost pathological to me

    Replies: @LondonBob

  54. @Jack Highlands
    I'm always surprised that studies like these are framed in a pathological paradigm, rather than an evolutionary one. It seems obvious that in a competitive, Darwinian world, you can't pack all the good things into one brain and body that you might ideally like. This helps explain why a particular high-IQ group I've heard of ranks low in muscularity, physical beauty and sexual dimorphism and, relevant to the latter, high in predisposition to homosexuality.

    But I digress: excellent declarative memory is one evolutionary stable strategy, high sociability and social mimicry is another. No doubt there are natural limits on how much each can be packed into one brain before one starts taking from the other. Neither is pathological.

    Trump is a highly unusual human being. For instance, over a lifetime of practice, he seems to have dumbed-down his speech two or three standard deviations below his probable IQ, in order to become one of the most effective communicators America has ever seen. As a high IQ individual, he probably does tend naturally away from sociality somewhat, according to the laws of neurological parsimony I have implied above.

    However, he may well be almost as social for his IQ as those laws will allow, though not quite at the camel-in-the-needle level of Richard Feynman, who was amazingly social given his stratospheric IQ (supersmart Jews are probably better matched at this than supersmart NW Europeans - there is a grain of truth to Freudianism and Marcusianism).

    Give the guy a break - if he combines IQ and sociality almost as well as a smart goy physically can, let him brag a little about all the 8's, 9's and 10's he's bedded. I'd have been bragging with just one.

    Replies: @Stephen R. Diamond, @Cletus Rothschild

    “I’m always surprised that studies like these are framed in a pathological paradigm, rather than an evolutionary one.”

    Very good point that’s worthy of its own lengthy discussion.

    “. . . For instance, over a lifetime of practice, he seems to have dumbed-down his speech two or three standard deviations below his probable IQ, in order to become one of the most effective communicators America has ever seen.”

    Another good point. My own experience has borne this out as well, though obviously on the much smaller scale of my facebook page. I used to post links to sources that have been vetted via experience over the years; sources that are actually respectable and insightful. I’d pull an Englehart and preface the link with my own fairly lengthy take. A few people would read them and look forward to other posts, but most people would pass. When I post links to simpler — and inciteful rather than insightful, with my own inciteful preface, the meme-sharers come out of the woodwork.

  55. @Anon
    @Clyde

    The rallies are a far more efficient way of meeting people. Take the coffee shop analogy. Assume you can make about 5 coffee shop stops in a day, and each lets you meet about 100 people. Your total of voters reached is 500 for that day. In a rally, you make 1 stop, and meet around 15,000. If you could schedule 2 rallies in a day, that's 30,000. You have to pay for the rental space, but they deliver more potential voters for the time spent meeting people. Trump's decision likely has nothing to do with germs and everything to do with more shrewd campaigning.

    Ahem. Professional politicians as a rule almost never do rallies. Why? They can't even come close to filling the space. Voters just don't care about politicians that much. Pols are not rock stars and they don't have the draw. It's not just Hillary being uncharismatic. Nearly all politicians are about as exciting as a pair of wet socks. Trump could do it because he's spent 30 years building himself up as a celebrity, but a Jeb Bush or a Mitt Romney or other men of that ilk will not get the crowds. That's why politicians always visit state fairs, etc. They have to go where the crowds are. The crowds don't come to them.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @PiltdownMan, @Lurker

    That’s why politicians always visit state fairs, etc. They have to go where the crowds are. The crowds don’t come to them.

    Agree. AKAIK The only big crowd Hillary played to was at the DNC.

  56. @Buzz Mohawk
    I won't say why, but I have a deep understanding of this subject.

    I'm glad to see this perspective on Mr. Trump. I think a lot of his eccentricity can be understood this way. It is to his credit.

    (BTW my wife and I have observed that his son, Barron, appears to suffer from some form of this. God bless him and help him.)

    You see, people who suffer from such things tend to be very smart. It is a curse they endure. Some do better than others. Donald Trump has done very well working with what God gave him. I understand, and that is why I give him so much credit.

    As for sexual conquests and the balm they provide: Yes. That is all I will say.

    OCD forces highly intelligent people to use their declarative memory to compensate for being robbed of the use of their procedural memory. The things that come naturally, without thought, to everyone else, require massive amounts of attention. This can destroy a person. Imagine if every time you tried to get dressed in the morning it was like preparing for a moon shot. I'm not exaggerating. Some people of great ability, with herculean effort, manage to overcome this. Others die, or kill themselves, or end up in institutions, or become eccentric writers.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Lurker

    Imagine if every time you tried to get dressed in the morning it was like preparing for a moon shot.

    Taking this literally. DJT seems to have dressed in the same general style ever since he appeared on my radar in the 80s. That must save on time, thought, stress etc. Probably saves money too.

    • Replies: @PV van der Byl
    @Lurker

    Now that I think about it, that seems to apply to a lot of self-made Forbes 400 types.

    Bill Gates still seems to dress the way he did as an undergraduate in the 1970s.

    , @OFWHAP
    @Lurker

    Trump always seems to be working, especially when he's in public. Therefore he wears his work attire whenever we see him. Even then he doesn't wear the same suit/tie combination every day. Sometimes he will skip the tie, wear business casual, or even dress in his golf-course attire.

  57. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Anonymous

    Sanders and Trump are the only nationally-known politicians who speak to the concerns of ordinary people. The rest of the political class are pawns of the oligarchy and military-industrial complex.

    Replies: @Lurker

    I did wonder if Trump might find a job for Sanders. Not very likely but maybe not impossible? The dissonance that would cause among some of the left would be delicious.

  58. @Anon
    @Flip

    I doubt it. Genuine autistic kids are very socially impaired and would have a rotten time at a New York prep school. He may have a mild case of Aspergers, or have a bit of OCD, but I doubt it's anything serious for him. His dad is smart, and intelligent kids are good at entertaining themselves and can get caught up in a subject for hours. Barron's ability to concentrate bodes well for his future success in life. Inability to stick to anything or finish something is a path to failure.

    Replies: @PV van der Byl

    Agreed.

    Barron goes to Columbia Grammar, an intensely competitive private school on Manhattan’s west side.

    He could not have remained there this long had he been autistic.

  59. @Lurker
    @Buzz Mohawk


    Imagine if every time you tried to get dressed in the morning it was like preparing for a moon shot.
     
    Taking this literally. DJT seems to have dressed in the same general style ever since he appeared on my radar in the 80s. That must save on time, thought, stress etc. Probably saves money too.

    Replies: @PV van der Byl, @OFWHAP

    Now that I think about it, that seems to apply to a lot of self-made Forbes 400 types.

    Bill Gates still seems to dress the way he did as an undergraduate in the 1970s.

  60. @Bill P
    My dad had and my sister has debilitating OCD, but it didn't/doesn't seem to affect their social abilities. I get stage fright more than either of them, and I am perhaps a bit hypochondriac but not so OCD. A few of my other friends are borderline OCD and/or germophobic as well. They are mainly northern European, but at least as much British Isles heritage as Germanic -- probably a little more so.

    I don't see any evidence of Trump being dyslexic. AFAIK, he has no problem reading a teleprompter. Real dyslexics can't pull that off. Honestly, I don't think he's OCD, either. Or all that germophobic. He might be "on the spectrum" in that regard, but it doesn't seem to get in his way, so objectively speaking it can't be much of a problem for him. If you know people afflicted with this problem it's not just some little quirk like being a picky eater. It can be a real disability.

    What's exceptional about Trump is his extreme competitiveness. "Winning" isn't just a catchphrase for him -- it's a mandate. That's different, but it isn't a disability in our culture.

    Replies: @PV van der Byl

    Are there degrees of dyslexia?

    Might someone with mild dyslexia be able to read a teleprompter with concerted effort but not be able to relax with a pile of books?

    If so, that might explain why he went to teleprompters in the latter part of his campaign while (I have read) having almost no books on the shelves of his apartment.

  61. @SPMoore8
    @Stephen R. Diamond

    I think smart people can be in interested in trivial things (like professonal wrestling) because it allows for mental recreation. Arturo Toscanini was supposed to be a big wrestling fan (on TV). Clearly, he was very bright and had an eidetic memory as well. Ludwig Wittgenstein was supposed to relax by watching trashy movies (Westerns, IIRC). And the ranks of bright people who are sports fan is legion; I recall one Nobel prize winner being informed of his prize while he was at a baseball game.

    Personally, I haven't watched pro wrestling in a long time, but there is massive stupidity to it that is actually entertaining.

    Replies: @Marty T, @BenKenobi

    I can’t watch pro wrestling, but I’d love to go to a monster truck rally or a snowmobile race.

    I’m mildly germophobic, but when a hot woman is involved that generally goes out the window.

  62. Trump only inhales through his nose. Sounds terrible.

    germphobic. Yap.

  63. @Clyde
    Germophobia is why Donald's version of ground game was flying around and speaking to large rallies rather than shaking hands at run down coffee shops and kissing babies? Maybe? I did see him kiss lots of women's cheeks on YouTube so who knows.
    Ask Melania, she's got the goods on Donald. Does she do any cooking at home? How about goulash? Does any super model? Developing... Stay tuned.

    National dish of Slovenia is Gibanica
    www.national-food.info/slovenia
    The recipe for preparing Gibanica national dish of Slovenia. The recipe is accompanied by information about Slovenia and Slovenia cuisine.

    Gibanica is a traditional pastry dish from Serbia popular all over the Balkans. It is usually made with white cheese and eggs. Recipes can range from sweet to savoury, and from simple to festive and elaborate multi-layered cakes.
    ________

    President Borut Pahor also got a chance to congratulate the Trumps and extend an invitation to visit Slovenia in a phone call on Wednesday.
    His office said the president had a "warm talk with the future first lady Melania Trump... and also transmitted her the best wishes of his partner Tanja Pecar".

    Replies: @Anon, @Alfred1860

    Speaking of Slovenia, I would highly recommend that anyone who hasn’t seen it watch the documentary “Big River Man” about the Slovenian alcoholic world-record holding long-distance swimmer Martin Strel. Easily the most entertaining and fascinating doc I’ve ever seen. YMMV.

  64. @Stephen R. Diamond
    @Jack Highlands

    Naive question: How can a person capable of interest in professional wrestling be smart?

    Replies: @SPMoore8, @Jack Highlands, @Cletus Rothschild, @Alfred1860

    N=1, but I’m in the 99.5th percentile for intelligence and my favourite movie, by a mile, is Nacho Libre. I can’t explain it other than to say it makes me laugh.

  65. @Chrisnonymous
    @FKA Max

    I know someone with ADD (not hyperactive type) and ODD, which I understand also frequently co-occurs with Attention Deficit problems, although I don't have a citation for that. ODD also fits Trump well:

    Oppositional Defiant Disorder (ODD) is characterized by the frequent occurrence of at least four of the following behaviors: losing temper, arguing with adults, actively defying or refusing to comply with the requests or rules of adults, deliberately doing things that will annoy other people, blaming others for his or ...

    It sounds like ODD is usually an adolescent diagnosis however.

    Replies: @anonguy, @Alfred1860, @Difference maker

    ODD is a bullshit diagnosis they came up with as a rationale for selling more prescription drugs to little boys that by their very nature don’t fit into our current bullshit education system.

  66. @Flip
    I've read speculation that ten year old Barron is autistic. His mother was quoted as saying that he likes to spend hours playing by himself and making sure that his room is clean and white. And of course it was sixty year old sperm that sired him. (And Donald said a while back that he knew of a two year old who became autistic after getting vaccinated).

    Replies: @Anon, @Alfred1860

    No way Barron could have stood on stage beside his dad at 3:00 am in front of a pulsing mob of supporters if he even had just Asperger’s, I wouldn’t think. He appeared a bit self-conscious, as anyone would, but certainly not socially maladapted.

  67. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    Gulen's guys had Erdogan bugged a few years ago.

    Replies: @Anon

    It may be likely. But Gulen would have to have a connection to Huffpo to pass information to them. If Gulen wants Erdogan’s overthrow, and Obama/Hillary/the leftists are sort of supporting Erdogan, (or the current Turkish status quo), how would that benefit Gulen? I don’t see how it would work in Gulen’s favor.

  68. @PiltdownMan
    @Anon


    The rallies are a far more efficient way of meeting people.
     
    And the word of mouth from a rally is far different. People at a rally hear a complete, cogent speech and relay it to others. People at a coffee stop hear very little, and have little word-of-mouth wisdom and just personal impressions to relay.

    If every person who meets or sees and hears a candidate in person passes on a positive impression to five others, that's 150,000 people who hear about Donald Trump's ideas from someone who "went and saw him yesterday at the rally", versus 2,500 people who hear "I didn't quite get to Hillary and couldn't quite overhear what she said in the coffee shop, but she seemed kinda nice."

    If you can pull in the crowds, rallies can be very powerful in drumming up support, even if you are a political unknown.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Encountering a modern politician – especially one who has secret service protection – can be a really unpleasant experience. Imagine you’re sitting in a cafe having lunch – a place you went to specifically to have a nice meal – and some authoritarian a**holes with suits, sunglasses, and earpieces come in and tell everyone to stay put, not to leave, not to make any sudden moves, etc., just so that Hillary, pretending to be a real person who cares, can get a few photo-ops for the news-cycle.

    The lengths that the SS go to protect the President and certain other of their clients are often ridiculous, onerous, and unbecoming of a republic. I work with a guy who, while going about his everyday business, happened to wind up where some VIPs were going to be (one time it was Bush the Elder, one time it was Cheney). The secret service just treated all the bystanders like garbage.

    At least when you go to a rally, you are deciding yourself to go there, rather than it being an unplanned, and unwelcome, intrusion.

  69. @PiltdownMan
    @anon

    College can be a strange, jumbled time of life and experience for some students, with not everything unfolding according to a neat script. This has nothing to do with intellect or ability. I think the Sixties generation understood this better.

    Now, the unspoken default expectation seems to be a sort of Tiger Mom-ish dream sequence—high school, great SATs, wonderful college, dean's list, Goldman Sachs etc.

    Donald Trump is rich as Croesus, far beyond anything his father left him. He's no dummy.

    Replies: @anon

    Trump is certainly not dumb and may be the slickest salesman off all time but he himself claimed a very high IQ while previously harassing president Obama for college transcripts. I’d like to see his.

  70. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Cletus Rothschild
    @Stephen R. Diamond

    "Naive question: How can a person capable of interest in professional wrestling be smart?"

    Using very simplistic and brash showmanship to appeal to vast numbers of common folk and making vast sums of money in the process? Understand what makes simpletons tick and you can make a lot of money from them. And in this case, you have a clearly fictional contest, yet people love it anyway. Sounds like a perfect way to help an intelligent businessman diversify.

    Replies: @anon

    Is Trump actually interested in wrestling or attention? I think the pattern has been seeking attention and his name in the press to increase exposure of his brand. This explains Trump steaks, Trump water, Trump airlines, Trump U, Trump magazine. None of these would seem appealing to a normal billionaire with bigger fish to fry but his brand is his business. So he may be a good president or this will the biggest marketing ploy in history for TRUMP. He has stated in interviews that his worst fear is to be forgotten. It seems almost pathological to me

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @anon

    Trump and Branson are the most similar, both operate the same business model.

  71. @anonguy

    I’ve shared with [X] that Trump talks about his sex life a lot more than other alpha males. My hypothesis is sex with strangers grosses him out but is contrary to the image he wants to project. A guy who is a tee-totaler workaholic is pretty boring in general, so he compensates with perception.
     
    I'm not buying this either. IMO, he is a lifelong fan/connoisseur of female beauty, for example, all the beauty contest stuff, that isn't just window dressing.

    Anyhow, you can be plenty promiscuous without having sex with "strangers", it often doesn't take very long to find a spark with a compatible person after which point they are no longer a stranger.

    I would guess in that vein that Trump, like most healthy people, enjoys sex most in the context of a larger romantic relationship however fleeting and tenuous it might be. I'd be surprised if he ever had much of a pattern of call girls a la Spitzer.

    I'm not sure his talking about sex more than most guys who are successful with women signifies anything. Generally, he talks about a lot of stuff in very vivid fashion that gets everyone's attention.

    Hint: this is not an accident.

    Anyhow, at this point, I'm unconvinced that the way he talks about sex has more significance about his attitudes towards sex than it does about how he talks/negotiates about everything.

    Replies: @boogerbently

    It’s just another attempt to put down all things white/male/hetero

  72. @SPMoore8
    @Stephen R. Diamond

    I think smart people can be in interested in trivial things (like professonal wrestling) because it allows for mental recreation. Arturo Toscanini was supposed to be a big wrestling fan (on TV). Clearly, he was very bright and had an eidetic memory as well. Ludwig Wittgenstein was supposed to relax by watching trashy movies (Westerns, IIRC). And the ranks of bright people who are sports fan is legion; I recall one Nobel prize winner being informed of his prize while he was at a baseball game.

    Personally, I haven't watched pro wrestling in a long time, but there is massive stupidity to it that is actually entertaining.

    Replies: @Marty T, @BenKenobi

    The Macho Man Randy Savage recently became an interest among my circle of friends a few months ago. I always considered pro-wrestling rather stupid as a young man.
    But watching a few of these clips as an adult I was amazed: it was incredible comedy. Muscle-bound, coked out goons clowning around in an absurd soap opera. I laughed my ass off.

    Doing just a little background digging revealed even better stories. The real reason Macho Man and Hulk hated each other was a totally NSFW story about Macho Man’s real wife Miss Elizabeth, who was also on the show.

    Here’s a couple choice clips. Note the announcer’s perfect straight-man performance. The last one is Macho Man clearly dislodging some coke deposit up his nose, reacting to it and then running off camera.

    • LOL: Spmoore8
  73. @Thursday
    It's not uncommon for people who are germophobes in general to make an exception in this area because they have a really high sex drive. Wasn't there some study about how horniness lowers disgust sensitivity.

    Replies: @anonguy, @Frayedthread, @Gabriel M

    Is there any correlation at all? I mean it’s not like homosexuals go around eating rotten fruit, quite the reverse I thought.

  74. @anon
    @Cletus Rothschild

    Is Trump actually interested in wrestling or attention? I think the pattern has been seeking attention and his name in the press to increase exposure of his brand. This explains Trump steaks, Trump water, Trump airlines, Trump U, Trump magazine. None of these would seem appealing to a normal billionaire with bigger fish to fry but his brand is his business. So he may be a good president or this will the biggest marketing ploy in history for TRUMP. He has stated in interviews that his worst fear is to be forgotten. It seems almost pathological to me

    Replies: @LondonBob

    Trump and Branson are the most similar, both operate the same business model.

  75. We instituted the practical measure of making sure the kids washed their hands thoroughly every time they entered the house from outside. I don’t know if that was it, but they rarely seem to catch colds now.

    Probably not, if they’re anything like normal kids. They spend the whole day touching infected surfaces and infected kids, and then rubbing their noses, etc. Washing hands after 8 hours of that is closing the barn door after the horse has escaped.

  76. And why are we not asking for his transcripts like Obama?

    Trump might just be a narcissist

    Why should we expect Trump’s (the idiot, mind you) transcripts (and SAT scores, etc.) when Lightbringer “Genius” Hussein has studiously kept his hidden?

  77. @Chrisnonymous
    @FKA Max

    I know someone with ADD (not hyperactive type) and ODD, which I understand also frequently co-occurs with Attention Deficit problems, although I don't have a citation for that. ODD also fits Trump well:

    Oppositional Defiant Disorder (ODD) is characterized by the frequent occurrence of at least four of the following behaviors: losing temper, arguing with adults, actively defying or refusing to comply with the requests or rules of adults, deliberately doing things that will annoy other people, blaming others for his or ...

    It sounds like ODD is usually an adolescent diagnosis however.

    Replies: @anonguy, @Alfred1860, @Difference maker

    Aye, as Alfred alludes to, it is actually about delegitimizing masculine behavior. What you interpret as resembling a result from a lacking or dysfunctional executive is actually about jockeying for power

  78. @Lurker
    @Buzz Mohawk


    Imagine if every time you tried to get dressed in the morning it was like preparing for a moon shot.
     
    Taking this literally. DJT seems to have dressed in the same general style ever since he appeared on my radar in the 80s. That must save on time, thought, stress etc. Probably saves money too.

    Replies: @PV van der Byl, @OFWHAP

    Trump always seems to be working, especially when he’s in public. Therefore he wears his work attire whenever we see him. Even then he doesn’t wear the same suit/tie combination every day. Sometimes he will skip the tie, wear business casual, or even dress in his golf-course attire.

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